| MohammadAG | lcuk, I have no problems with root | 00:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: That isn't the open-source way! | 00:00 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: The open-source way is to complain and bitch that someone else should have coded it better. | 00:00 |
| tripzero | haha | 00:00 |
| lcuk | it it must be. someone must have decided that the current wasnt good enough | 00:00 |
| tripzero | ~ff | 00:00 |
| infobot | rumour has it, ff is even in dutch, or fork&fsck, or or Android | 00:00 |
| wall[e] | open source is forking into photon soup | 00:00 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, why? root worksforme | 00:01 |
| wall[e] | and remerged just to be forked again. | 00:02 |
| lcuk | some people are better at forking than others | 00:02 |
| lcuk | but its not the size of the repository that counts | 00:02 |
| dmj726 | interestingly, just about any utensil name can be used as a verb. | 00:03 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, the biggest thing ive got a problem with is how come we need more than 256mb on rootfs in the first place ;) | 00:03 |
| marcus__ | ImportError: cannot import name QtGui anybody know why this is showing up? | 00:03 |
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| marcus__ | python with qt4 | 00:03 |
| valdyn | whats up with vertical scrolling vs horizontal, why is vertical slower.. ? | 00:04 |
| lcuk | ? valdyn | 00:04 |
| wall[e] | i wonder why... nand is not only be used for swap.. | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~optification | 00:04 |
| infobot | optification is probably a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs | 00:04 |
| lcuk | its probably got the same speed but it appears faster on landscape because of the less pixels | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 00:04 |
| valdyn | lcuk: in microb and i think everywhere you get scrolling glitches | 00:05 |
| valdyn | lcuk: is that tearing? i dont know. | 00:05 |
| lcuk | i dont know either | 00:05 |
| valdyn | lcuk: only noticable when scrolling in portrait mode however | 00:05 |
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| MohammadAG | no tearing here | 00:06 |
| wall[e] | font rendering may have something to do with that? | 00:06 |
| valdyn | i dont think so | 00:06 |
| wall[e] | like glyph calculation must be done for horizontal more than vert | 00:06 |
| lcuk | that reminds me | 00:06 |
| N900evil | What is an album, but a collecgion of mp3 im a directory? | 00:06 |
| lcuk | ill probably be offline most of the weekend | 00:06 |
| lcuk | ive got some things i need to do | 00:07 |
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| valdyn | same in opera anyway | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: it's not the size that counts, it's the turn around time ;-P | 00:07 |
| N900evil | wrt tracker/media player. | 00:07 |
| wall[e] | vertical * | 00:07 |
| wall[e] | vert stands for vertices! | 00:07 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, sure | 00:07 |
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| Shapeshifter | I notice it's kinda hard to get good themes into extras with the current voting system | 00:07 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, ? | 00:08 |
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| Shapeshifter | because usually there's like 5 different colors. and you have to vote for everyone. there's some perfectly good themes around which have very few or 0 votes | 00:08 |
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| valdyn | seems like a general problem through all apps, i dont understand why | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | I noticed my karma going up at a rate of ~2pts/week :-P | 00:09 |
| adnyxo | im having some trouble with the sd card in my n810 | 00:09 |
| Shapeshifter | I think people aren't really aware anyway of the package promotion procedure | 00:09 |
| Shapeshifter | users of -devel and -testing that is, not developers | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG | karma (insert word starting wit w) | 00:10 |
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| MohammadAG | with* | 00:10 |
| adnyxo | the tablet complains about the formating so i format it from within the tablet | 00:10 |
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| adnyxo | but when i take it out and transfer files to it, | 00:10 |
| adnyxo | when i put it back in the tablet complains about corruption | 00:10 |
| wall[e] | whore | 00:11 |
| * wall[e] inserts. | 00:11 | |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: thus my suggestion to 'wrap' testing apps into a script invoking the promotion site of that very app, on quit of the app itself | 00:11 |
| wall[e] | perfect sense. | 00:11 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: rather, invoking the voting on promoting | 00:12 |
| adnyxo | lol | 00:12 |
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| Shapeshifter | ah "the promotion site" | 00:12 |
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| Shapeshifter | I get it, nvm ;) | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: err, have to confess I have not the slightest idea of the differences | 00:12 |
| thunderfest | so last night I crashed my n900 while I was also installing the "extra decoders support" package now the media doesn't seem recognize any type of media file....any suggestions on where to start fixing this? | 00:12 |
| thunderfest | media player* | 00:13 |
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| wall[e] | did apt-get help? like -f install ? | 00:13 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: nah I misread. I thought you meant it would be promoted on quitting | 00:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lemme guess... garage.maemo.org/projects/<projname> | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | need to thumb up a few apps | 00:14 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, problem is some scripts dont install binaries | 00:14 |
| lcuk | packages | 00:14 |
| lcuk | so there is no run cycle | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: err what? | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 00:14 |
| lcuk | "wrap testing apps into a script" | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, no probs with scripts here | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | when the script is the app, or ... ? err | 00:15 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=r-style for example | 00:15 |
| lcuk | themes etc just drop pngs | 00:15 |
| lcuk | no binaries or scripts required to run | 00:15 |
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| wall[e] | anyone know if i can prevent theme engine not to stretch but tiling instead? | 00:16 |
| wall[e] | configurable? | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG | grr | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG | he's not saying it | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>Warning: Promotion of experimental Qt based applications (qt4-maemo5) is blocked...<< fsck | 00:17 |
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| Shapeshifter | lol | 00:17 |
| Shapeshifter | fail | 00:17 |
| Shapeshifter | who care about 1.2... but just don't let the whole infrastructure be crippled for months | 00:18 |
| Shapeshifter | *cares | 00:18 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, if i remind you that you are "special" every time you request it, it no longer has the same meaning | 00:18 |
| * MohammadAG infiltrates Nokia | 00:18 | |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I tried to thumb up 2 apps, and none of them had the option to do that. Can't be bothered to do that any time soon again | 00:18 |
| tybollt_ | Shapeshifter: oh wait, thats just what they did :) | 00:18 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/?org_openpsa_qbpager_packages_in_repo_page=1 DocScrutinizer | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? | 00:19 |
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| dmj726 | grr...qt/pr1.2 hate | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you're not sugesting I visit and scan that page 3 times a day, do you? | 00:21 |
| dmj726 | ...the half dozen apps I can't update. | 00:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: see, I got fahrplan, WFM, ->thumb-up ->fail. alarmed, WFM ->thumbup ->FAIL. WTF screwit. never try again. | 00:22 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, you mentioned your son had an X6 | 00:24 |
| Arkenoi | Our largest national WiMAX operator announced it will migrate to LTE. Not really good (i'd prefer just better network coverage), though, there is a chance next Nokia qwerty linux device will be LTE-capable and almost none that it will support WiMAX | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | when RST38h comes here with a URL asking for support, I may bother | 00:24 |
| MohammadAG | ever had a look @ Symbian :) | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | otherwise - NOT | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | that scheme is definitely FUBAR and a PITA | 00:25 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, hes got an X something i assume its a 6 but i dunno | 00:26 |
| lcuk | it might even be an 8 :S | 00:26 |
| * lcuk cant remember | 00:26 | |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, X6 | 00:26 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, about symbian :) | 00:26 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, I'm assuming it has a (capacitive) touchscreen | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: sorry, but ping me when your alarmed actually can use a vote | 00:27 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, assume so, dunno tho its not my phone so i dont muck about with it | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not the tmo & maemo.org/packages and dunnowhat webpage poller monkey :-S | 00:28 |
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| Arkenoi | BTW are current LTE devices dual SIM (separate LTE data and 3G voice)? | 00:28 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, heh | 00:29 |
| thunderfest | is there a maemo command to open a file in the default app for that file type? like gnome-open on gnome systems? | 00:29 |
| lcuk | bbl anyway | 00:29 |
| lcuk | cooling down | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: current LTE devices??? o.O | 00:30 |
| Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, there are some handests already? As there are networks already.. | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I heard some little town in the north of europe actually is testing LTE | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | but seems hard to find a handset for that LTE test network | 00:31 |
| Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, yes, and they do have handsets, right? | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask the dudes in here who live there ;-P | 00:31 |
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| frals | what, doesnt everyone have LTE in their hometown? O_o | 00:43 |
| Stskeeps | tybollt_: damn well hope so | 00:43 |
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| thunderfest | where can I download the freemantle image to re-flash my n900 | 00:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~ping | 00:44 |
| infobot | ~pong | 00:44 |
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| thunderfest | nevermind I found it | 00:45 |
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| yabbapappa | Ok.. what is wrong in this? https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/pykake_0.5.0-8/i386.root.log.FAILED.txt | 00:55 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG - your call - its got man-db again | 00:56 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, i guess i broke the autobuilder? | 00:56 |
| yabbapappa | So the problem is not in my code? | 00:57 |
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| MohammadAG | umm | 00:58 |
| MohammadAG | yabbapappa, can you try adding man-db (=2.5.1-3maemo1) to build-depends? | 00:58 |
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| MohammadAG | if it works I'll need X-Fade to take down the package, then i'll rename it | 00:59 |
| yabbapappa | MohammadAG yes I think soo | 00:59 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, that's the right syntax right? | 00:59 |
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| yabbapappa | This is ok, or should it be something more? >> p.depends = "python, python-gtk2, python-pygame, python-gconf, python-gobject, python-gst0.10, python-hildon, lirc, man-db" | 01:00 |
| rcg | hmm so i am not the only one keeping X-Fade busy ;P | 01:00 |
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| MohammadAG | pypackager eh? | 01:01 |
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| yabbapappa | py2deb | 01:01 |
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| MohammadAG | I need it to use a versioned man-db :/ | 01:01 |
| MohammadAG | sec | 01:01 |
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| rcg | anyways .. time to call it a day .. cya | 01:02 |
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| kpoman | hi | 01:02 |
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| kpoman | do someone know if there is an application to monitor wifi signal of access points or something similar ? | 01:03 |
| kpoman | like a signal-o-meter app ? | 01:04 |
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| yabbapappa | Ok, command back, now it worked :P So it was in my code (or temporal error) | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | tztztz | 01:05 |
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| kpoman | ? | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | kpoman: wifiinfo | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | WiFiInfo app | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | now comes with weird sounds X-P | 01:08 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 01:09 |
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| kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: ok I am looking for it | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ...and a fat bold warning on firstrun about power consumption, which probaly is right | 01:14 |
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| kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: I cant find the app on app manager, nor on the internet | 01:15 |
| yabbapappa | ok, I can't remove the older version of my app (pyKake 0.5.0-7) from app manager, is there some other way (except reflash) to do it? :P | 01:15 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 sighs | 01:16 | |
| kpoman | oh | 01:16 |
| kpoman | soory | 01:16 |
| kpoman | it was wifiinfo | 01:16 |
| kpoman | i looked for wifimonitor, my mistake | 01:16 |
| kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: but it seems like it monitors only current wifi connexion right ? | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nope | 01:17 |
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| kpoman | oops | 01:18 |
| kpoman | it does monitor all I think | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | current / all | 01:18 |
| kpoman | what are wardrive and powersaving options for ? | 01:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | uh? | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe I got an old version? | 01:20 |
| MohammadAG | grr | 01:21 |
| kpoman | ok | 01:21 |
| kpoman | np | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, uploading new version of man-db with reversed changes | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | when X-Fade goes online he can take all post maemo1 versions | 01:22 |
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| wall[e] | good night maemo | 01:23 |
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| MohammadAG | err | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, his package built correctly | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | :S | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | it's not my package then? | 01:26 |
| lcuk | i saw! maybe not | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | UGH | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | i just upload maemo4 with reversed changes | 01:27 |
| lcuk | lol - thing is having something in -devel replacing the sdk is potentially a bit wrong | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, my SDK doesn't upgrade man-db | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | i wanted to backup my package | 01:28 |
| lcuk | look at what autobuilder does tho | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | so i did an apt-get source man-db | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | it downloaded maemo1 | 01:28 |
| lcuk | do you have source enabled for -devel? | 01:29 |
| MohammadAG | but it worked :S | 01:29 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 01:29 |
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| MohammadAG | deb-src | 01:29 |
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| lcuk | pass MohammadAG i keep seeing builder fails and amongst them your package is grabbed instead of the sdk one | 01:31 |
| lcuk | :P | 01:31 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, repackaged as man-db-n900 | 01:35 |
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| MohammadAG | is there any damn way to make dpkg-buildpackage use all 4 cores lol | 01:36 |
| lcuk | :D run it from 4 consoles :p | 01:36 |
| lcuk | or just get a faster single core | 01:36 |
| lcuk | :D | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | 8 Cores exist right? | 01:38 |
| Appiah | dual quad core | 01:39 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, but then you will just moan that 7 of them are idle | 01:42 |
| lcuk | hey adam | 01:42 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, well | 01:43 |
| MohammadAG | gah | 01:43 |
| yabbapappa | Ok, I should select the latest Global release of frimware (pr 1.1.1 version 3.2010.02-8) to flash? (It is good as long as it speaks finnish :p ) | 01:44 |
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| lcuk | gnite \o | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG | global it is | 01:51 |
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| MohammadAG | Night... | 01:51 |
| yabbapappa | MohammadAG, that I supposed too :) | 01:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | #cs op #maemo MohammadAG | 01:58 |
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| * SpeedEvil wishes the 1.2 screwage would get fixed. | 01:58 | |
| SpeedEvil | WRT devels not being able to deploy QT apps. | 01:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | We need to be encouraging people to be moving to QT ASAP - if that's the way it's going. | 01:59 |
| pexi | no | 01:59 |
| pexi | python | 01:59 |
| talonz | efl :D | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | python and QT are orthogonal. | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui the "1.2 screwage" should be fixed by now, by some cruft always using oldest version of a lib to link against | 02:00 |
| ShadowJK | maybe they could replace the jabascrpt in qt with python? ;@ | 02:00 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer; oh. | 02:00 |
| pexi | html5 and python with good device api | 02:00 |
| pexi | that should do it | 02:00 |
| SpeedEvil | I haven't been keeping up as well as I should with app-devel. | 02:00 |
| SpeedEvil | awkQT | 02:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Job done. | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask X-Fade | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | or Stskeeps | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | I shouldn't really be commenting - the closest I've come to an app yet is spewing one-liners on IRC. | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | seen a wiki or tmo post or sth OWTTE | 02:02 |
| pexi | ShadowJK, why not replace python with javascript ;) http://lively.cs.tut.fi/qt/ | 02:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alas I can't keep 5000 browser windows on my desktop | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | even the bookmarks become unmanageable | 02:03 |
| * SpeedEvil should close tabs. | 02:03 | |
| SpeedEvil | I have a really bad habit of leaving tabs open, as I'm going to get to it soon. | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | same here | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why I said 5000 is too much :-P | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - to edit the wikipedia page on Glycogenesis, as I found it confusingly incomplete. | 02:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | another nice one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procrastination | 02:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | causes xx windows with xx tabs each on my desktop | 02:07 |
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| * GeneralAntilles has officially reached dumbass status. | 02:15 | |
| GeneralAntilles | When 'setxkbmap us' throws an error after editing your keyboard symbols file, don't reboot to "fix" it. | 02:15 |
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| * MohammadAG plays Call of Duty "You have been promoted" sound effects | 02:16 | |
| MohammadAG | boot loop? | 02:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hildon crash, I think. | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Boots to showing an FBReader shortcut icon in the left corner on a dark gray background | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG | R&D is your friend, sometimes | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can tap it. | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG | kill the watchdog | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG | repair | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it doesn't open anything | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG | revive the watchdog | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Watchdog didn't force a reboot. | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I didn't have a machine to fix it with at work today. | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG | which raises a question | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, would a hub + two cables allow the N900 to flash itself? | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG | I kid i kid | 02:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mmm | 02:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | I bet you could do it. | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Only if they are _really_ long | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lol | 02:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you replaced NOLO, anyway. :P | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: You need the cables to be at least 60 light-seconds long. | 02:19 |
| MohammadAG | that's like 60 metres ^ n? | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | which isn't as tough as it might sound, given the wave speed in a cable | 02:20 |
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| MohammadAG | use the vbus boost | 02:20 |
| MohammadAG | and raise voltage to 500V | 02:20 |
| MohammadAG | if that doesn't work raise it a bit, 500MV | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but I see severe problems with the ACKs | 02:21 |
| MohammadAG | comment out the driver | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | be careful with the ACKs, Eugene | 02:21 |
| pigeon | so, on the n900 is there a way to change the name of the network provider on the top of the screen? i keep seeing screenshots from people showing random strings | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | pigeon: yes | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | pigeon: It's in extras I think | 02:22 |
| pigeon | ah ok , thanks. | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | pigeon: carrier display applet? | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | I forget the name. | 02:22 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, on the N900? | 02:22 |
| pigeon | i just googled but found nothing | 02:22 |
| pigeon | ah, "carrier", or i searched for "network", probably bad choice of word... | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | pigeon: Anyway - just enable all repos - go to 'all' - and scroll down the list looking for interesting stuff. :) | 02:23 |
| pigeon | heh, yeah well, i normally just got apt-cache search ;) | 02:23 |
| pigeon | s/got/go/ | 02:23 |
| infobot | pigeon meant: heh, yeah well, i normally just go apt-cache search ;) | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | That works if people name stuff as you expect. | 02:24 |
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| pigeon | hehe | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm. | 02:25 |
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| pigeon | speaking of which, try apt-cache search . | grep insert ;) | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Where is powertop - I have the tools repo enabled - isn't it in there? | 02:25 |
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| pigeon | ah, custom-operator-name-applet and custom-operator-name-widget | 02:27 |
| pigeon | thanks | 02:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: nope | 02:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | seems you need to dl from 3rd party site | 02:29 |
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| * bleeter finally has an n900 | 02:32 | |
| SpeedEvil | Woo! | 02:33 |
| cure` | gz | 02:33 |
| bleeter | the nice sales person threw in a pair of BH-905 headphones with it for free :D | 02:33 |
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| bleeter | but the left ear's noise cancellation was not working so I am having to get them replaced :( | 02:34 |
| Stskeeps | hence why it was free? ;p | 02:34 |
| bleeter | :P | 02:34 |
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| Stskeeps | quim's relocating to US it seems | 02:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, permanently? | 02:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, interesting. | 02:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, that's nice | 02:40 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: flors.wordpress.com | 02:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Real contact in a sane timezone. :P | 02:40 |
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| Stskeeps | i guess meego, if done right, allows a lot of people to not -have- to live in finland | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, taken over by Intel? | 02:43 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 02:43 |
| Stskeeps | nokian still | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | depends what is defining the membership to a group | 02:44 |
| Stskeeps | merit, obviously | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mayne Nokia is taking over Intel XP | 02:44 |
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| pexi | nokia's evil plan for brain drain | 02:45 |
| w00t_ | o_O | 02:45 |
| w00t_ | it must be past midnight, the conspiracy theories are running thick | 02:45 |
| w00t_ | :-p | 02:45 |
| Termana | :P | 02:45 |
| Stskeeps | MeeGo obviously means 'MeeFlee Finland' ;) | 02:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | w00t_: that's nothing yet | 02:49 |
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| Termana | Anyone want some tonsillitis? Its killing me, I'll gladly give it away :P | 02:50 |
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| * SpeedEvil extracts Termanas tonsils, and sells them on ebay. | 02:51 | |
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| * Xisdibik buys them for $1 | 02:53 | |
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| Termana | Mmm its possible I might have to have them removed. I'm going to see the doctor soon, I'm just hoping he gives me some medicine for it instead :P | 02:54 |
| Xisdibik | goodluck | 02:56 |
| Termana | Xisdibik, thanks :D | 02:56 |
| Termana | Xisdibik, if I have to have them removed, I'll sell them to you for a dollar though ;) lol | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | finally got rid of mine. better now | 02:56 |
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| Xisdibik | Termana: excellent, now I just need snot from a lizard, and eggs from satan. and ill have me some immortality in a bottle | 02:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | sounds more like an iraq war weapon | 02:59 |
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| Xisdibik | nope, cant be, it doesnt say to strap it to myself before using | 02:59 |
| Nadley | Hi, | 03:00 |
| Xisdibik | hi | 03:00 |
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| Nadley | I've install the SDK has said here http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation. Now how can I launch maemo to test it and start developing apps ? | 03:01 |
| Xisdibik | that sounds like a Doc question to me :) | 03:01 |
| Nadley | ok I'll try this http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Starting.2FShutting_down_the_SDK_UI is it good ? | 03:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: fixed your 'ditry' bat contacts? | 03:09 |
| SpeedEvil | sort-of. | 03:10 |
| MohammadAG | bah, switched to wifi to ssh | 03:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | contact spray? | 03:11 |
| crashanddie | heh | 03:12 |
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| crashanddie | the google pacman thing was fun | 03:12 |
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| Nadley | I need help I can't start the SDK UI | 03:13 |
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| crashanddie | Nadley: we're going to need more than that | 03:15 |
| Nadley | crashanddie: I know :D | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: something like that | 03:15 |
| crashanddie | "doesn't work" isn't a valid error message | 03:15 |
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| Nadley | crashanddie: I trying to lauch by this way but I have nothing on the screen http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Starting.2FShutting_down_the_SDK_UI | 03:16 |
| Nadley | I'll pastbin the message | 03:16 |
| Nadley | crashanddie: http://paste.ubuntu.com/437578/7 | 03:19 |
| Nadley | http://paste.ubuntu.com/437578/ sorry | 03:19 |
| Nadley | and I had just a black screen on Xephyr | 03:19 |
| crashanddie | Nadley: sorry, I don't use scratchbox, couldn't help you | 03:20 |
| crashanddie | so feel free to ask the channel, rather than me specifically | 03:20 |
| MohammadAG | line 67 says it all | 03:20 |
| Nadley | crashanddie: Is there another solution than scratchbox ? | 03:21 |
| Nadley | MohammadAG: what can I do for this error | 03:21 |
| MohammadAG | upgrade RAM maybe? | 03:22 |
| MohammadAG | not sure though | 03:22 |
| MohammadAG | never happened to me | 03:22 |
| yabbapappa | Ok, after re-flash I'm now reinstalling punch of apps and multiple of them gives me an error and said that it wont find python-gobject (=2.14.2-1maemo2)? (example fmms and freecell4maemo) | 03:22 |
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| MohammadAG | err? | 03:23 |
| MohammadAG | don't tell me they borked that package too :S | 03:23 |
| opdf2 | anyone using TheOneRing? Does the format of the numbers dialed need to be +(CountryCode)(AreaCode)(7digit#)? | 03:23 |
| Nadley | upgrade which RAM I had 4Gb | 03:23 |
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| yabbapappa | MohammadAG, I think it looks badly in that way then :/ | 03:24 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG: may I suggest usbnet when you're doing a lot of ssh to the N900? | 03:25 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: the speed difference is really amazing | 03:25 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, used it once and never again lol | 03:26 |
| crashanddie | why? | 03:26 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: oh, what platform are you running? | 03:26 |
| MohammadAG | it seems to cause normal ssh to break | 03:26 |
| MohammadAG | Ubuntu | 03:27 |
| crashanddie | meh, fail :P | 03:27 |
| crashanddie | go buy yourself a mac | 03:27 |
| MohammadAG | Debian didn't install | 03:27 |
| MohammadAG | WHAT | 03:27 |
| MohammadAG | mac's are overpriced and underpowered | 03:27 |
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| yabbapappa | Wohoo! I didn't delete my discworld! Thank god, I was worried. | 03:28 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, you weren't serious were you? :) | 03:29 |
| spturtle | how could you delete a turtle system? | 03:29 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: 13" 2.6ghz, 4gb ram, 320gb HD, 10h battery, works for me | 03:29 |
| MohammadAG | oh, laptops | 03:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, say that to my dual E5520. :P | 03:29 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, my laptop's crap anyways | 03:30 |
| MohammadAG | I use my i5 for compilation | 03:30 |
| MohammadAG | then move to my laptop and sftp the file over | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nadley: I can't really help, but maybe mentioning which OS/distro/version you're running on your PC might ring a bell for someone here | 03:30 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: I doubt you really need i5 power for compilation | 03:30 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: unless you're compiling KDE 20 times a day :P | 03:30 |
| Nadley | I'm running ubuntu 10.04 | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | 32 or 64? | 03:31 |
| crashanddie | Nadley: ah, doesn't work with 10.04 | 03:31 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, how much time did that custom kernel take you to compile? | 03:31 |
| crashanddie | Nadley: go back to 9.10 | 03:31 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, but it does | 03:31 |
| MohammadAG | ~maemosdk | 03:31 |
| infobot | i guess maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 03:31 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: I only heard issues with it | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: maybe 15 minutes | 03:31 |
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| MohammadAG | 10.04 notes, follow them | 03:31 |
| MohammadAG | see crashanddie, it tooks him 15 minutes | 03:31 |
| MohammadAG | it took me 2 :) | 03:31 |
| Nadley | crashanddie: ok thanks | 03:31 |
| crashanddie | Nadley: ah, it seems to work | 03:32 |
| MohammadAG | Nadley, follow the 10.04 notes, it should work | 03:32 |
| crashanddie | Nadley: though you have to hack some stuff that "may reduce system security" | 03:32 |
| MohammadAG | i quoted that from here | 03:32 |
| Nadley | MohammadAG: I follow the notes but for the moment it is notes working maybe I forgot one I'll check | 03:33 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: I'll probably get an iMac next (once I'm employed again, all that) | 03:33 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, lemme list my badass laptop's specs | 03:33 |
| MohammadAG | 1.7GHz centrino | 03:33 |
| MohammadAG | 1GB RAM | 03:33 |
| MohammadAG | 120GB HDD | 03:33 |
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| MohammadAG | 12.1" wacom digitized screen | 03:34 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: even though I love my 13" mbp, I guess I'll want a proper desktop computer once I have to spend some time working | 03:34 |
| MohammadAG | oh, and no optical media drive | 03:34 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: how much d'you pay for that? | 03:34 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, do I really have to say that? | 03:34 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 03:34 |
| MohammadAG | it's like, an insult in front of 499 users | 03:34 |
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| crashanddie | SAY IT | 03:35 |
| MohammadAG | 2000 5 years ago | 03:35 |
| crashanddie | 2000 wut? | 03:35 |
| MohammadAG | $ | 03:35 |
| crashanddie | fair enough | 03:35 |
| MohammadAG | err? | 03:35 |
| MohammadAG | i can get an i5 laptop for 999 now | 03:35 |
| MohammadAG | maegym delayed my package | 03:36 |
| MohammadAG | grrr | 03:36 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 03:36 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, my i5 cost me 400 dollars to build, a Dell with the same specs was about 2000 :) | 03:36 |
| crashanddie | I paid $1000 for a 2.2Ghz macbookpro, yada yada yada, upgraded the ram and HD | 03:37 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: the whole "overpriced" thing is getting old :) | 03:37 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, oh forgot to say | 03:38 |
| MohammadAG | it came with a 40GB HDD and 512MBs RAM | 03:38 |
| crashanddie | obviously | 03:38 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: plus the OS is actually really good. It's like a proper OS that can run proprietary software, with open source goodness on top | 03:39 |
| crashanddie | (outlook and office if your company requires it, but also openssh under the hood) | 03:40 |
| MohammadAG | don't macs use openoffice.org? | 03:40 |
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| MohammadAG | i'm dead | 03:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macs use Office, OpenOffice.org, Apple's office suite or just about anything else. | 03:42 |
| MohammadAG | I suppose i can't use the SDK on a mac though :) | 03:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | Given that it's an x86 box, why can't you just run a vM? | 03:44 |
| ohwhyme | you could just run osx86 :p | 03:45 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, cause it would half the speed? | 03:46 |
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| MohammadAG | 0.5 was an estimate, it could be more or less | 03:47 |
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| MohammadAG | anyways | 03:48 |
| MohammadAG | i'm off | 03:48 |
| MohammadAG | night #maemo | 03:48 |
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| Nadley | see you guys thx | 04:01 |
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| Noma | is it possible to have a webcam picture as a wallpaper in n900? has anyone done an app or script for that?:) | 04:15 |
| Noma | (no live picture of course, maybe 1h update freq or something) | 04:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I think SpeedEvil had a script for something like that | 04:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and then I heard of a weird thing called live wallpaper | 04:22 |
| SpeedEvil | while true | 04:22 |
| SpeedEvil | do;rm *png ;wget http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Glenrothes/meteogram.png | 04:22 |
| SpeedEvil | gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/views/3/bg-image -t string /home/user/yr/meteogram.png | 04:22 |
| SpeedEvil | sleep 3600 | 04:22 |
| SpeedEvil | done | 04:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | something like that | 04:22 |
| SpeedEvil | It doesn't cope with wallpapers with the wrong aspect, and just crops them though | 04:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | There is also a webcam viewer widget - but that's not fullscreen | 04:23 |
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| Noma | webcam viewer widget does not seem to work very well, it doesn't show any pictures and when i click it it just disappears | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | W T F?!?! | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | opened the glenrothes meteo card in browser | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | while switching between fullscreen and windowed view, a white screen with fullsize blue NOKIA flashes up | 04:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | to be precise, it's during fullscreen->windowed transition, for maybe 0.2s | 04:37 |
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| ohwhyme | anyone here play with pcsx? | 04:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | odd | 04:40 |
| SpeedEvil | never seen that | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | console fb? | 04:41 |
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| * Arkenoi wonders what is the percent of "active" n900 users (tmo + #maemo) who installed leakware. my patience is almost over too | 04:43 | |
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| Arkenoi | w20 has ended and still no official update | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I feel with you | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's starting to get ridiculous | 04:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | when was the incredible update in SDK + buildhoat? | 04:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | host even | 04:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | (which btw for the buildhost part I still fail to understand - who exactly needs the 1.2 depening app pkg versions in those repos? to do exactly what which isn't possible in a more sane way?) | 04:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | It would be sane if it was an option. | 05:02 |
| SpeedEvil | To make sure your stuff worked when used on 1.2 | 05:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | If it doesn't wotk with 1.1 - then that's broken - but I thought that had been fixed. | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yo make sure it works with 1.2 you would need a real N900 with that version, no? | 05:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | Maybe the reason is that there are 3980 developers under NDA, all releasing apps for 1.2. | 05:09 |
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| GAN900 | lol | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | boo ey, those must feel pissed by the ridiculous delay | 05:14 |
| DangerMaus | sup | 05:14 |
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| yuizy_ | can i update the background image from terminal? | 05:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.com/Spectacular-TIBERIUS-Tessera-Sprintia-/390187954119?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5ad903afc7 | 05:36 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 05:36 |
| SpeedEvil | not that | 05:36 |
| SpeedEvil | (02:22:47 AM) SpeedEvil: while true | 05:36 |
| SpeedEvil | (02:22:47 AM) SpeedEvil: do;rm *png ;wget http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Glenrothes/meteogram.png | 05:36 |
| SpeedEvil | (02:22:47 AM) SpeedEvil: gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/views/3/bg-image -t string /home/user/yr/meteogram.png | 05:36 |
| SpeedEvil | (02:22:47 AM) SpeedEvil: sleep 3600 | 05:36 |
| SpeedEvil | (02:22:47 AM) SpeedEvil: done | 05:36 |
| SpeedEvil | that | 05:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | which seems to be the question of the night | 05:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | probably pacman fans | 05:46 |
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| angie | how big is the maemo 5 sdk to download | 08:25 |
| angie | i run linux | 08:25 |
| angie | and i heard its like 2gb? | 08:25 |
| angie | is that correct? | 08:25 |
| valdyn | angie: maybe the vm image is that big | 08:29 |
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| angie | does anyone run nitdroid on n900 | 08:34 |
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| cehteh | nitdroid? | 08:40 |
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| cehteh | ah why does one want that? | 08:41 |
| angie | for fun i guess | 08:42 |
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| pupnik | kbuildsycoca4(27085) KBuildServiceFactory::populateServiceTypes: << i hope we never see crap like that | 09:02 |
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| luke-jr | pupnik: in other words, supress debug output | 09:13 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Not until Nokia decides to switch to KDE | 09:14 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: that would be awesome | 09:15 |
| luke-jr | Nokia would need to drastically improve the hardware :p | 09:15 |
| luke-jr | after all, MySQL requires like 200 MB disk space alone | 09:16 |
| RST38h | no it won't | 09:16 |
| luke-jr | and KDE requires MySQL | 09:16 |
| RST38h | they will just stuff it onto n900 hardware =) | 09:16 |
| luke-jr | how are you going to magically make MySQL fit? | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 09:17 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: your 2.6.33 just barely boots as far as I can tell | 09:17 |
| RST38h | luke: MMC | 09:17 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: no wifi, not even GPIO | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: how come i can boot into xfce4 then? | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | that isn't "barely boots" in my book :) | 09:18 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: what can you do useful in xfce4? | 09:18 |
| luke-jr | without networking, without GPS, without basically any connection to the real world | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | USB networking works? | 09:18 |
| luke-jr | ... | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: so, if it barely boots, what are you going to do to help that instead of complaining? | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | :) | 09:19 |
| * Stskeeps goes make coffee | 09:19 | |
| RST38h | Freeloading users vs stupid cell service provider: http://explorecomputerworld.blogspot.com/2009/10/how-to-get-free-internet-on-your.html | 09:19 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: I hacked gps5300driver to theoretically work with mainline GPIO APIs | 09:19 |
| RST38h | (only in the USA, of course) | 09:19 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: it doesn't actually work, but I don't know why not | 09:19 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: my guess is that it's semi-intentional | 09:21 |
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| luke-jr | on T-mobile's part | 09:21 |
| luke-jr | (or they'll end up with a huge bill for all that usage) | 09:21 |
| RST38h | luke: I even suspect there is a generic URL for some server inside TMobile which takes external URL as an argument and relays | 09:32 |
| RST38h | luke: Of course these guys do not know that =) | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: one of my goals for meego n8x0 is to have gps with geoclue too, so we'll figure something out | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | we can rebuild binaries of the past since we have some people involved who's able to do so | 09:33 |
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| pupnik | Singapore has 130% mobile penetration rate, hong kong even more... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mobile_network_operators_of_the_Asia_Pacific_region#Singapore | 10:40 |
| pupnik | 139 | 10:40 |
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| pupnik | i wonder what percentage of the population has a cell phone | 10:46 |
| cehteh | less than 10%? | 10:47 |
| cato` | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Penetrasjon01.PNG | 10:48 |
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| pexi | what is that orange country in the middle of europe.. is it somehow important | 10:49 |
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| cato` | lol | 10:50 |
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| valdyn | pexi: what is counted in that map? | 10:54 |
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| PhonicUK | hey all | 11:14 |
| pupnik | huhu | 11:14 |
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| PhonicUK | anyone know an app that tells you your speed using GPS? | 11:14 |
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| PhonicUK | also im on a train so dodgy connection possible | 11:15 |
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| pupnik | PhonicUK: kismet | 11:18 |
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| TheGerman | good morning | 11:22 |
| pupnik | muuh | 11:23 |
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| TheGerman | know somebody the release date from the new The IT Crowd season on channl4 ? =) | 11:26 |
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| pupnik | i hope it sucks less | 11:36 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: still arund? | 11:44 |
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| pupnik | Rock-Scissors-Paper world championships # pinskia at gcc dot gnu dot org" <gcc-bugzilla at gcc dot gnu dot org> | 12:01 |
| pupnik | damnit | 12:01 |
| pupnik | sorry | 12:02 |
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| wall[e] | hi anyone know where sdk store rootstrap? | 12:02 |
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| wall[e] | E: Downloaded i386 rootstrap file failed integrity test. | 12:03 |
| wall[e] | i need to delete previously downloaded and reload it | 12:04 |
| wall[e] | nokia seems to be very stupid for everything about continue download | 12:04 |
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| pupnik | many sites surprisingly don't support continuation - their loss | 12:11 |
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| wall[e] | :S | 12:12 |
| wall[e] | enter numbers like thousand times | 12:12 |
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| pupnik | can we suspend hildon-desktop and hildon-status-menu? | 12:24 |
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| pupnik | as userspace apps | 12:24 |
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| RST38h | HELO folks | 12:38 |
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| RST38h | Where do I get libgles2-dev and the SDL GLES stuff? | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | nokia-binaries repo probably | 12:39 |
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| RST38h | got a URL? | 12:40 |
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| RST38h | hmmmmmmmmmm | 12:43 |
| RST38h | it is only present for the i386 hw | 12:43 |
| RST38h | but not for armel | 12:43 |
| RST38h | so how are you supposed to develop gles-based apps??? | 12:43 |
| Corsac | well, you can still develop | 12:44 |
| Corsac | you just can't run them | 12:44 |
| Corsac | but as you're a star developer, you *know* they work fine! | 12:44 |
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| pupnik | opengles-sgx-img-common-dev - PowerVR SGX support development files | 12:45 |
| pupnik | libgles2-sgx-img-dev - OpenGL ES 2.0 SGX development files | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | exists for armel just fine | 12:46 |
| pupnik | apt-cache search gles in sdk | 12:46 |
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| RST38h | found it | 12:47 |
| RST38h | ho ho ho | 12:48 |
| RST38h | it wanted the repo with nokia binaries | 12:48 |
| RST38h | somehow that fell off some time in the past | 12:48 |
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| RST38h | Is there some libsdl-gles? | 13:01 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: pingy... any OBS plans this weekend? | 13:20 |
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| pupnik___ | i would love more info on why 3G keeps dropping | 13:32 |
| pupnik___ | i would love more info on why 3G keeps dropping | 13:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik; I would also like more info on why your 3G keeps dropping. | 13:48 |
| Corsac | pupnik_: me too | 13:51 |
| Arkenoi | pupnik, moscow? because it sucks here. | 13:52 |
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| MohammadAG | alarmed switched profiles twice | 14:08 |
| MohammadAG | oh well, at least i'll be awake till 5 now... | 14:08 |
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| Schorschl | is there a feature list for 1.2 firmware? | 14:10 |
| MohammadAG | tmo | 14:11 |
| Schorschl | ? | 14:11 |
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| MohammadAG | search for PR1.2 SDK | 14:12 |
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| MohammadAG | UGH! facebook added the N900 to mobile sites | 14:12 |
| MohammadAG | need to change the useragent grr | 14:12 |
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| Schorschl | MohammadAG: thanks^^ and y u use facebook? :D | 14:13 |
| MohammadAG | not explaining that again | 14:14 |
| Schorschl | hope the bluetooth control issue in the mediaplayer will be fixed :D | 14:14 |
| MohammadAG | basically my mates are too stupid to use other protocols for communication | 14:14 |
| Schorschl | same with jabber :D | 14:15 |
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| Schorschl | everyone use icq^^ | 14:15 |
| MohammadAG | not here | 14:15 |
| MohammadAG | err | 14:16 |
| Appiah | err | 14:16 |
| Appiah | what | 14:16 |
| MohammadAG | microb resets the useragent? | 14:16 |
| Appiah | ICQ still exists? | 14:16 |
| Schorschl | y... | 14:16 |
| Schorschl | its a crappy protocol^^ | 14:16 |
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| Schorschl | and all guys in germany love the ressource eating "blingbling" client | 14:16 |
| Appiah | hehe | 14:17 |
| Appiah | I still remeber my UIN for some reason | 14:17 |
| Schorschl | but a russian provider buied icq from aol last weeks | 14:17 |
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| MohammadAG | figures, it was made by AOL | 14:18 |
| MohammadAG | i hate both ICQ and AIM | 14:18 |
| Appiah | no ICQ was bought by AOL | 14:18 |
| Appiah | long ago | 14:18 |
| Schorschl | aim was from aol | 14:18 |
| Schorschl | then they buid icq | 14:18 |
| Appiah | "Originally developed by Israeli company Mirabilis, ICQ" | 14:18 |
| Appiah | ", AOL acquired Mirabilis for more than $400 million" | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG | what a coincidence | 14:19 |
| Schorschl | but nobody wants to use jabber in this country | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG | nothing but crap is developed here | 14:19 |
| Appiah | jabber/xmpp has kind of nerd factor to it.. | 14:19 |
| Appiah | like IRC :D | 14:19 |
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| Schorschl | yes, but there are much of nice and easy to use clients | 14:20 |
| Appiah | ye .. now , but MSN,ICQ,AIM has been around for quite sometime | 14:20 |
| Appiah | and its been "nice" and "easy" | 14:20 |
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| MohammadAG | just remembered Yahoo Messenger lol | 14:21 |
| Schorschl | and nobody want to use google talk^^ | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | that stuff was crappy | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | google talk isn't that popular | 14:21 |
| Schorschl | all guys are scared about google... | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | but people use it :) | 14:21 |
| Schorschl | (in germany) | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | they don't give a damn about your personal details ;) | 14:22 |
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| Schorschl | yes, but the newscasts make them scared | 14:22 |
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| Schorschl | "google steal wlan data (streetmap)" thats not true, but everyone bleive this | 14:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is there anywhere a text list of the repository QA queue for promotion to extras, rahter than scraping it? | 14:57 |
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| MohammadAG | not that i know of | 15:02 |
| MohammadAG | there's a list @ maemo.org/packages | 15:02 |
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| Schorschl | know somebody a good doc to use mysql as authentification backend for samba? | 15:20 |
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| Nadley | hi | 15:23 |
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| RST38h | rwxrwxrwx 1 fms 1000 37 2010-05-22 14:11 SDL_gles.h -> /opt/maemo/usr/include/SDL/SDL_gles.h | 15:31 |
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| RST38h | Purrrrfect | 15:31 |
| RST38h | Who was the great light that optified a -dev package??? | 15:32 |
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| RST38h | And how does this person expect it to work??? | 15:32 |
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| MohammadAG | <RST38h> Who was the great light that optified a -dev package??? LOL | 15:37 |
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| Gh0sty | is it possible to search by number somehow? | 16:02 |
| Gh0sty | in my contacts i mean | 16:03 |
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| MohammadAG | haven't seen that in my N900 | 16:03 |
| Gh0sty | or is the list searchable somehow in backups for example? :/ | 16:03 |
| Gh0sty | need to verify my phone bill somehow i got overcharged ... so i need to lookup all phone numbers to who it's linked | 16:04 |
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| opdf2 | I'm not familiar with adblockers. Should I be using adflashblock-css or adblock? | 16:06 |
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| MohammadAG | adblock + | 16:06 |
| GAN900 | Restart to get data back. Fun. | 16:07 |
| lmoura | whick product/component should I select to report a bug on fremantle's cdbs? | 16:07 |
| lmoura | s/whick/which/ | 16:07 |
| infobot | lmoura meant: which product/component should I select to report a bug on fremantle's cdbs? | 16:07 |
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| opdf2 | so instructions sed to delete everything in the extension folder for microb before install adblock + | 16:12 |
| opdf2 | should i just delete symlink? | 16:12 |
| opdf2 | or targets as well? | 16:12 |
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| opdf2 | following this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=661441&postcount=8 | 16:13 |
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| opdf2 | nm the only extension I havbe are geolocation and OVI, so no need to delet | 16:16 |
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| GAN900 | How do people feel about having a brainstorm day on IRC? | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's that? | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't it always brainstorm day on irc? | 16:24 |
| RST38h | It is always timewasting day on irc. | 16:25 |
| RST38h | So, yes, brainstorms qualify | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | or that | 16:25 |
| GAN900 | Well, yeah, but tying into the maemo.org brainstorming session we're having. | 16:25 |
| GAN900 | 3-6 hours just | 16:25 |
| GAN900 | My plan was to add a bit of bugday-esque live collaboration. | 16:25 |
| RST38h | GAN: Is there any tangible result expected from the session? | 16:26 |
| * DocScrutinizer scratches head | 16:26 | |
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| SpeedEvil | RST38h: I guess it will set the new corporate direction for the whole mobile phone industry. | 16:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Sounds in principle not insane. | 16:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: export all to vcard file and grep should do the trick. Though there ought be better ways | 16:30 |
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| * DocScrutinizer mumbles about new corporate directions and OM and giggles | 16:32 | |
| GAN900 | RST38h, hopefully to collect and improve ideas for the brainstorm. | 16:32 |
| GAN900 | (not the web app) | 16:32 |
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| RST38h | brainstorm to collect ideas about brainstorm? | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | WIKIREADER, we need a WIKIREADER | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | XP | 16:33 |
| RST38h | reboot. | 16:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | A e-ink screen on the back of the n900 would be very cool. | 16:34 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, did you see the announcement? | 16:37 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, ping? | 16:37 |
| RST38h | GAN: Nope, I stopped following organizational things a while ago | 16:37 |
| RST38h | Still, every now and then I get that senseless hope that one of these mettings will change things for the better or something | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | announcement? | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably on tmo ;-P | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | all over | 16:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm if it were on tp of every single post in every thread then possibly i'd have seen it | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | use /thankedposts.php as well | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeh? | 16:42 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, lists, Talk and Planet. | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | planet :-o | 16:42 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, it's all of the first page of the Community forum. | 16:42 |
| GAN900 | http://planet.maemo.org | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeek | 16:43 |
| GAN900 | Should still be on the first page. | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | dwouldN900 IM Style Notifications From Python Lauri VõsandiTransifex Mobile Git Repository Quim GilSame Job, New Location: Santa Clara Valley (California) | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I give up | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | 'brainstorming maemo.org 2010' ? | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | 90% down | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems it's not very important | 16:45 |
| Ken-Young | Everything pales compared to WikiReader. | 16:45 |
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| * RST38h wonders what happens with maemo.org once the first nokia meego device comes out | 16:47 | |
| RST38h | Will it become community-oriented version of corporate meego.org ? | 16:47 |
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| luke-jr | sigh, why do I even bother with cell phone carriers? | 16:48 |
| luke-jr | they're all scammers | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | or end up like openmoko.org | 16:48 |
| * SpeedEvil looks up weego.com | 16:48 | |
| SpeedEvil | I guess not. | 16:48 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, posted by me. | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | some 5 devels struggling for ever more complex beter more broken devel versions of an OS for a device that isn't produced anymore | 16:50 |
| SpeedEvil | weego.mobi is free | 16:50 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 16:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | morning. | 16:50 |
| Gh0sty | DocScrutinizer: found a way ... looking in backups: Root/home/user/.osso-abook-backup/db$ strings addressbook.db | grep -B 3 <insert phone number> | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: that's great! | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 16:50 |
| Gh0sty | now looking at why my phone bill is so high :/ | 16:51 |
| Gh0sty | too bad n900 can't explain that one ;) | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably dataplan expired and they charged you by the bit | 16:51 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: yeah - I have to buy another 6 months internet in a few days. | 16:51 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: 20 quid. | 16:51 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: Cricket's $30/mo plan is billing me $43/mo | 16:52 |
| MohammadAG | Gh0sty, you can use home/user/.osso-abook-backup/db$ strings addressbook.db | grep -B 3 <insert phone number> too :) | 16:52 |
| Gh0sty | DocScrutinizer: nah i called 360 minutes according to the bill :P | 16:52 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: ow. | 16:52 |
| MohammadAG | no need to backup and check ;) | 16:52 |
| MohammadAG | thanks though, it'll come handy one day | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: sounds quite technically impossible | 16:52 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah. | 16:52 |
| Gh0sty | :P | 16:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Nobody can actually use their n900 to make calls. | 16:53 |
| ZogG | holla | 16:53 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: needless to say, I won't be paying it | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: that's N900, not FR :-P | 16:53 |
| SpeedEvil | I made more calls with my neo1973 than with my n900. | 16:53 |
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| Gh0sty | MohammadAG: how do i access home ... | 16:54 |
| Gh0sty | not through bluetooth? :/ | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG | terminal | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG | or ssh | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG | or sftp | 16:54 |
| Gh0sty | hm true i installed ssh on it ... never done that over bluetooth before however :p | 16:54 |
| Arkenoi | mapper just sucks. why am i forced to enter mile-long cryptic url to get traffic info and if i make a typo it just crashes dropping all my settings to the floor? if there are additional layers supported, why they are not pre-defined? | 16:54 |
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| MohammadAG | Gh0sty, bt? ssh uses wifi | 16:55 |
| MohammadAG | or usb | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe Gh0sty found big flaw of petrovich (and all apps using file selector) which is: MyDocs and uSD only | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | what a bold insult | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | "We are NOKIA, we *know* how to make user's life easier" -BAAHHH!! :-((( | 16:58 |
| Arkenoi | ah | 16:58 |
| Arkenoi | they always pretended that they make devices that are ahead of expectations | 16:58 |
| Arkenoi | not far behind what people requested as they actually are | 16:59 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: I do not know why you are forced to do that: Yandex Traffic stuff comes configured by default | 16:59 |
| MohammadAG | is anyone else, other than me, not exactly looking forward to MeeGo? | 16:59 |
| Gh0sty | depends how old you are ? :P | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | mmmmh, not so excited, yes | 16:59 |
| Gh0sty | looking forward to pr 1.2 | 16:59 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: And if it not, there is a menu option to get all the map configurations from a special repo | 16:59 |
| MohammadAG | 16 | 16:59 |
| Gh0sty | oh then i'm older :) | 17:00 |
| Ken-Young | MohammadAG, Don't worry, they'll abandon Meego and do something else soon. | 17:00 |
| Gh0sty | heard a rumor somewhere that android has been running on n900 ?:P | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | umm, rumor? | 17:00 |
| ZogG | is there a way to make links from apps to be opened in microb in background? | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | it's under development | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, not in the background | 17:01 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, ah, you are right. the web page is outdated and there is "sync" button that enables missing repositories ;-) | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | as MeeGo was way too late for Intel's presentation of Z600 anyway... They for sure will kill it for that soon | 17:01 |
| Gh0sty | dont quite follow it ... just heard about that :) | 17:01 |
| ZogG | Gh0sty yeah #nitdroid | 17:01 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG is it possible to make so? | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, dbus | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | check Jebba's wiki page | 17:02 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG he managed that? | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | ~dbus | 17:02 |
| infobot | well, dbus is D-BUS, or http://www.freedesktop.org/software/dbus/ or #dbus, or a piece of junk, or reinvented by those who did not understood CORBA | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | bah | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, it's used in many apps | 17:02 |
| ZogG | i know what is dbus | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~listvalues jebba | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS | 17:03 |
| ZogG | i mean did he did the thing i want? the background thing | 17:03 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'jebba' by value returned no results. | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | command is there | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | not in the background | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 17:03 |
| ZogG | so what the point =) | 17:03 |
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| ZogG | what is* | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | idk | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, apparently the BH-905 are available here, for 1100 nis | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | stop talking to each other's hand | 17:05 |
| ZogG | too much | 17:05 |
| ZogG | link? | 17:05 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer sup? how was your weekend honey? | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | Office Depot, some guy told me | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | the last one or the long one ahead | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 17:06 |
| * Stskeeps yawns | 17:06 | |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: you should be happy, i've finally bought a good camera | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:06 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, DSLR? | 17:07 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, so, break this week or do you want me to carry it? | 17:07 |
| ZogG | Stskeeps 3D? =) | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: nikon d5000 | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | my wife got pissed enough at my old camera that we bought a new one :P | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ohohoh dangerous | 17:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what if she thinks she doesn't look any slimmer on the pictures of the new one? :-o | 17:09 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, cool. | 17:09 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, friend of mine is about to ge the Panasonic GH1 to do short films. | 17:09 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: This week: goes ahead as normal. Next week: break. | 17:10 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, ah, OK. | 17:11 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: Not got time between now and being offline to set up permissions etc. | 17:12 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: I suppose I *could* set it up on an empty Google Doc to auto-publish and then it's a manual job of looking at output on http://twitter.com/mwkn and building the format manually | 17:12 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, I don't have a problem doing that. | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: sorry, of course I didn't want to say any of your contributions to planet is unimportant | 17:13 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, was looking to clarify, wasn't offended. ;) | 17:13 |
| arachnist | http://developer.android.com/reference/android/util/Log.html#wtf%28java.lang.String,%20java.lang.String%29 | 17:14 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: Cool; wouldn't want to miss anything interesting - time's running out on MeeGo 1.0, although history says it'll be out after we publish MWKN ;-) | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | just it's drowned in the random noise :-S | 17:14 |
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| GAN900 | Of COURSE my contributions to Planet aren't important. They're generally useless biased drivel. :P | 17:14 |
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| GAN900 | Thus, Planet | 17:14 |
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| GAN900 | and all you chumps failed to heart it enough to boost it up on News. :P | 17:14 |
| * Stskeeps has difficulties figuring out where he fits in the maemo.org brainstorm still | 17:14 | |
| MohammadAG | don't see the use, but xchat runs well in portrait mode | 17:15 |
| * DocScrutinizer as well | 17:15 | |
| Stskeeps | well, at least regarding my role | 17:15 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, you get to compile the wiki pages. We had a vote while you were buying the camera. | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: error line 1: not C | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG | dpkg --purge Stskeeps | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | od Stskeeps | scramble | 17:17 |
| RST38h | GAN: At least you are not constantly announcing obscure Fennec features =) | 17:18 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, I don't think you really DO fit into the brainstorm. | 17:18 |
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| Stskeeps | well, as in what would apply for me :P | 17:21 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, not much. | 17:22 |
| GAN900 | MeeGo/platform focus | 17:22 |
| GAN900 | Both out of scope | 17:22 |
| GAN900 | So just contribute your usual insight where you feel compelled to. :P | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: oh, girish said we should just tell him what we need and what to add | 17:22 |
| javispedro | ah, no chances to see the source of it | 17:24 |
| javispedro | :( | 17:24 |
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| pupnik_ | javispedro: i can make all kinds of slower builds :) | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: anything else than a call to kernel with a ioctl? | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | on Flip() | 17:26 |
| javispedro | yes, no other idea so far | 17:27 |
| javispedro | an ioctl to /dev/omaplcd? | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:28 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, damnit, I fell for SD69's false premise. | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | who's girish? | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: hm? | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: TI contact | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 17:28 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, sorry, didn't mean to imply you had changed your mind. | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | ah, i know | 17:29 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, I find your current position perfectly consistent with your usual one. | 17:29 |
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| satmd | :) | 17:29 |
| ZogG | <MohammadAG> dpkg --purge Stskeeps | USE="-MohammadAG" emerge maemo | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | i did change my mind regarding -maemo-, as in, why bother opening up a platform fully when they skipped ahead a couple of years | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | and made a open one by default | 17:29 |
| satmd | ZogG: I don't see how this will help anyone | 17:29 |
| javispedro | note that I found note that only mbxdaemon dlopens libomaplcd | 17:30 |
| ZogG | it wont make worser | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: lol | 17:30 |
| ZogG | Stskeeps pitty it's not fully open =) | 17:30 |
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| luke-jr | FWIW, the MBX kernel modules are in the Gentoo overlay now | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 17:31 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: boost SSO you twat | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: as long as *somebody* bothers about backporting all the open goodies back to maemo, I won't frown | 17:31 |
| pupnik_ | hmm i cannot see the connections made via myhotspot | 17:31 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: I'm tired of having to log in to maemo.org, the only thing I do is click on <3 | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: as I can't see myself moving to meego next, say, 18 months | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: as far as i know, fremantle will still have a good long life and qt will be coming out for it | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | along with qt mobility it looks like | 17:32 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, having more persistant logins would go a long way towatds fixing things. | 17:32 |
| luke-jr | I can't see myself getting a phone ever unless these stupid cell providers stop trying to scam me :( | 17:32 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: just tell x-fade to set the sessions work with cookies, and have the cookies run for 2 months | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | move out of the US, luke-jr | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:33 |
| ZogG | i think i need to emerge MohammadAG back, he is not talking anymore =) | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | this evil mindset of forcing people to new platform by simply not supporting the old one anymore, this made me switch to KDE4 ~6months ago, and makes me swear and shout every day several times now | 17:33 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: where can I move that won't extradict me? how will I get there? | 17:33 |
| GAN900 | luke-jr, why are you trying to buy subsidized? | 17:33 |
| luke-jr | GAN900: I'm not. | 17:33 |
| GAN900 | luke-jr, what's the scam? | 17:33 |
| luke-jr | GAN900: Cricket is billing me $43/mo for their $30/mo plan | 17:34 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, lurking | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | is this due to VAT or something? | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:34 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: there is no VAT in the US | 17:34 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, go back to GNOME, seriously... | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: sales tax, then | 17:34 |
| GAN900 | luke-jr, FCC fees and taxes? | 17:34 |
| ZogG | moooooo | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never WAS on gnome | 17:34 |
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| ZogG | KDE and GNOME are evil | 17:34 |
| ZogG | xfce4 | 17:34 |
| luke-jr | fees/taxes that go from $30 to $43? | 17:34 |
| GAN900 | There are federal, state and sometimes municipal taxes that apply. | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | tried that crap for ~1day. Too windowesque | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG | s/go back/switch to/ | 17:35 |
| infobot | MohammadAG meant: DocScrutinizer, switch to to GNOME, seriously... | 17:35 |
| GAN900 | luke-jr, your bill should break it down. | 17:35 |
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| luke-jr | GAN900: my bill makes absolutely no sense | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG | -to | 17:35 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, too what? | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it uses gconf :-((( | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, KDE is windows-ish | 17:35 |
| ZogG | KDE is ugly | 17:35 |
| luke-jr | I see maybe $8 in fees/taxes that I didn't approve | 17:35 |
| crashanddie | 'later | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: luxemburg, maybe | 17:35 |
| ZogG | i don't understand how people liek it | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG | frals, uses gconf, we should get rid of him too | 17:35 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: ... isn't that in Germany? | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | I give a shit bout ugly. KDE3 was tailored to fit my needs, in a ~8 years of constant tweaking | 17:36 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxembourg | 17:36 |
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| luke-jr | between totally-insane cell service and totally-insane government, I'll stick with totally-insane cell service | 17:36 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, at least it's not so ugly and it's more modular, you don't need to install everything to get it working, while in gnome and kde it brings so many libs | 17:36 |
| GAN900 | luke-jr, same thing happens with your cable bill. | 17:37 |
| luke-jr | GAN900: nope | 17:37 |
| luke-jr | they advertise $45/mo; I pay $45/mo | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: I simply don't care | 17:37 |
| ZogG | GAN900 hey ganster | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: as I'd install everything anyway | 17:37 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer i don't care what you care, i told you - so do it!!!! | 17:37 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer ubuntu? | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: i'm going to assume you're not part of the tea party | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:37 |
| GAN900 | ZogG, howdy. | 17:37 |
| ZogG | GAN900, fine you know | 17:37 |
| * satmd answers late | 17:37 | |
| ZogG | so i heard about pr1.2 this week =) | 17:38 |
| ZogG | ~pr1.2 | 17:38 |
| infobot | pr1.2 is, like, not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask. | 17:38 |
| satmd | but it is risky to say a change would not make things worse - out of the blue | 17:38 |
| Arkenoi | luke-jr, we have noth here and i guess both are worse | 17:38 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, out of interest, how is the Tea Party portrayed in the media over there? | 17:38 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, seriously though, give gnome a go | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: ubuntu --> http://xkcd.com/424/ | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | NO I WON'T | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: i watch the daily show as an information source, so, batshit insane | 17:38 |
| satmd | if we're at wms, I suggest fvwm | 17:38 |
| * GAN900 notes the US media was tripping all over themselves to blame the Times Square attempt on the Tea Party. | 17:39 | |
| DocScrutinizer | its name starts with a g, like gconftool | 17:39 |
| * satmd stops making bad jokes | 17:39 | |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, XFCE4? :P | 17:39 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, ah, yeah, so completely irrationally. | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: but really, we just ignore most internal US politics | 17:39 |
| luke-jr | oh, Luxem *isn't* part of Germany... :p | 17:39 |
| satmd | lol, no it is not, luke-jr | 17:39 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: assuming it's sane, the bigger question is hwo to get there | 17:39 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer yeah something liek gconf | 17:39 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, warning: Stewart is incredibly biased. | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: i know | 17:39 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, your name ends with G, your country starts with G, invalid argument | 17:39 |
| ZogG | gconftool-2 or something like that | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | my country starts with D after all | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: it's horrible when sarcastic news seem to cover more about reality than real media | 17:40 |
| ZogG | if you say G in russia it stands for Sh#t | 17:40 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer duetchland? =) | 17:40 |
| MohammadAG | germany starts a D? | 17:40 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, govno | 17:40 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG ^ | 17:40 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, yeap =) | 17:40 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, neither are particularly good. | 17:40 |
| GAN900 | It's not worth trying to be informed by TV. | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw *my* country starts with U like Utopia | 17:41 |
| * Stskeeps usually collects news online instead | 17:41 | |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG have you bought microsd? | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | here i'm stuck to polish news, which seems to have very little foreign material | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, 32GB, not yet | 17:41 |
| javispedro | pupnik: well, at least it is a relief to know that I didn't break the build much :) | 17:41 |
| ZogG | have anyone saw wine under n900? | 17:42 |
| luke-jr | ZogG: forget it | 17:42 |
| Arkenoi | zogd: impossible | 17:42 |
| ZogG | luke-jr, it's there already | 17:42 |
| ZogG | Arkenoi, posible | 17:42 |
| MohammadAG | still debating whether i'm stupid enough to pay €300 for the BH-905 | 17:42 |
| GAN900 | Because they're all in somebody's pocket or pushing their insane agenda. | 17:42 |
| ZogG | i didn't say i need it | 17:42 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, don't do it! | 17:42 |
| Arkenoi | zogd: to run winCE programs, maybe | 17:42 |
| ZogG | Arkenoi, zogg* | 17:42 |
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| Arkenoi | desktop windows is x86 only | 17:42 |
| javispedro | they use qemu-user + plus a older wine pre-nptl binary | 17:42 |
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| ZogG | Arkenoi, i don't need it - but i say any port and any extra is good | 17:43 |
| Arkenoi | and wine runs native code, it is just api emulation, not cpu | 17:43 |
| javispedro | because the nptl is awfully slow | 17:43 |
| MohammadAG | GAN900, care to elaborate more? ;) | 17:43 |
| javispedro | *ntpl emulation in qemu user | 17:43 |
| ZogG | Arkenoi wine is NOT emulator | 17:43 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, OK, do it! | 17:43 |
| luke-jr | Arkenoi: that's what qemu is for | 17:43 |
| MohammadAG | GAN900, care to elaborate more? | 17:43 |
| Arkenoi | if you run qemu then there is no reason to run wine | 17:44 |
| ZogG | so Tomasz Sterna is porting maemo for android hardware= ) | 17:44 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, I don't actually have an opinion | 17:44 |
| GAN900 | But that sounds like way too much money for headphones | 17:44 |
| ZogG | www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfcEsJc74Qs&feature=player_embedded - wine under n900 | 17:45 |
| MohammadAG | indeed lol | 17:45 |
| javispedro | Arkenoi: well, dunno, as even with qemu-user + emulated wine some stuff is running native (instead of everything emulated as qemu-system would do) | 17:45 |
| GAN900 | At least from a company that doesn't specialize in them. | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, could all of you (except luke-jr ) please change the checksum of your nicks? the show up here from turquoise (mohammad) over light blue dark blue, to royal blue ( Arkenoi ) ;-P | 17:45 |
| MohammadAG | GAN900, actually I think they did with those pair | 17:45 |
| GAN900 | Kinda like spending $1500 on a 6.1 setup from Onkyo. | 17:45 |
| MohammadAG | Active Noise Cancelation is what I want :) | 17:45 |
| javispedro | so a benchmark qemu-user + wine vs qemu-system + windows is nice | 17:45 |
| luke-jr | Arkenoi: qemu-user != qemu-softmmu | 17:46 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, Bose is actually one of the best for that. | 17:46 |
| luke-jr | javispedro: the result is obvious | 17:46 |
| MohammadAG | GAN900, aren't they the apple of headphones? (way overpriced?) | 17:46 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer mirc? =))))))))) | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | Kontact | 17:47 |
| luke-jr | seeing as WINE already outperforms Windows on native x86_32, adding emulation to both wouldn't change that | 17:47 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, buy iphone | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | someone told me about Sennheiser (i spelled it wrong) | 17:47 |
| GAN900 | But the audio is crap. | 17:47 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, damn kde user - you suffer 'cause of yourself | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: you're dark blue | 17:47 |
| arachnist | sennheiser? i have two pairs of sennheiser headphones | 17:47 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer it's good i'm not pink | 17:47 |
| luke-jr | what would be interesting is if someone wrote a GCC backend for Win32 binaries and could build native winelib ARM bins ;) | 17:47 |
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| Schorschl | MohammadAG: "Sennheiser" is correct | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | arachnist is kinda dark oink :-P | 17:48 |
| MrPink | \o/ | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | pink even | 17:48 |
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| luke-jr | should be possible as long as the app doesn't do some kind of CRC to itself | 17:48 |
| javispedro | luke-jr: isn't that called winegcc? ;) winelib should already build for ARMs these days | 17:48 |
| arachnist | one bluetooth (mm100) which i use with the n900 and hd595, which have quite a nice cable | 17:48 |
| Schorschl | but the best wireless headphones comes from "AKG" :) | 17:48 |
| luke-jr | javispedro: winegcc IIRC only works with source code | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | MrPink is blue though XP | 17:49 |
| * ZogG xmms2> System Of A Down - Lonely Day ["Hypnotize (Retail)" 2005 Sony/BMG] | 17:49 | |
| luke-jr | javispedro: I'm talking about treating the Win32 EXE as "source code" | 17:49 |
| satmd | luke-jr: native winelibs arm? | 17:49 |
| MohammadAG | MrPink is pink here | 17:49 |
| satmd | what exactly do you mean? | 17:49 |
| javispedro | luke-jr: ah yes, then that's my beloved long term plan too. | 17:49 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you're greenish blue :P | 17:49 |
| luke-jr | satmd: rebuild EXE files as normal Linux binaries | 17:49 |
| * satmd has a gcc toolchain that build mingw32 binaries for win32 | 17:49 | |
| MohammadAG | greenish starts with a g | 17:49 |
| satmd | oh | 17:49 |
| satmd | other way around | 17:49 |
| luke-jr | javispedro: see, I lost interest when I realized I have no need for Win32 apps :) | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | i think gnome was made for you DocScrutinizer XP | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, to bash it | 17:50 |
| satmd | mhm | 17:50 |
| javispedro | luke-jr: but without recompilation, launching qemu right after loading the exe binary. | 17:50 |
| satmd | iirc, there is a project helping at compiling windows code(!) to linux binaries using wine | 17:50 |
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| satmd | but it won't take just a .exe | 17:51 |
| luke-jr | satmd: code, yes | 17:51 |
| luke-jr | in any case, I don't care really :P | 17:51 |
| javispedro | that project is "wine", btw. | 17:51 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, Bose's audio is terrible across their product line | 17:51 |
| satmd | well, it would not be trivial to be honest | 17:51 |
| luke-jr | anyone up for FREECIV? | 17:51 |
| luke-jr | satmd: it is :p | 17:51 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, but their headphone have some of the best noise cancelling and the best comfort. | 17:51 |
| MohammadAG | WINE: Windows Is Not Effecient | 17:51 |
| GAN900 | Even though the audio is about on par with an $80 pair. | 17:51 |
| satmd | ;) | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 17:52 |
| luke-jr | ... | 17:52 |
| luke-jr | freeciv kills the chat ;( | 17:52 |
| satmd | and btw gnome is causing a lot of pain to me :P | 17:52 |
| javispedro | hmm | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | anyone with opera for maeo installed? | 17:53 |
| javispedro | someone is now redistributing the non-redistributable sun embedded jre in tmo | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | 'report post'? | 17:53 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, here | 17:53 |
| javispedro | including trialware time-bomb killling instructions | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: could you run 'ldd' on it's binary for me? | 17:53 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: gtk | 17:53 |
| MohammadAG | hildon-status-menu crashed and it didn't start again | 17:53 |
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| MohammadAG | oh right, i killed the watchdog | 17:53 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, sec | 17:53 |
| * merlin1991 is lost trying to find the scratchbox setup tutorial in the wiki, anyone with a link? | 17:56 | |
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| Arkenoi | javispedro, which jre does microemulator use? | 17:57 |
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| angie | does anyone run meego on the n900 | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, still opening pastebin gah | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | infobot, maemosdk | 17:58 |
| infobot | maemosdk is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 17:58 |
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| javispedro | Arendtsen: dunno? | 17:58 |
| javispedro | er.. | 17:58 |
| javispedro | Arkenoi^ | 17:58 |
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| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, http://pastebin.com/R6YMDw3B | 18:00 |
| MohammadAG | had to kill dpkg | 18:00 |
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| Stskeeps | k, thanks | 18:01 |
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| merlin1991 | thx MohammadAG | 18:04 |
| * Stskeeps generates another image of the n810 meego m0 attempt | 18:07 | |
| RST38h | yoooo | 18:08 |
| happyblob | stskeeps: is MeeGo m0 n00b-friendly for testing? I'd like to help but i'm rubbish :P | 18:08 |
| RST38h | "Researchers trying to determine the age of deceased individuals are finding success with a new method: looking in people's mouths. Nuclear bomb testing in the 1950s, it turns out, turned everyone's teeth into radioactive clocks." | 18:08 |
| RST38h | happy: No, don't bother until the version with the UI is out | 18:08 |
| happyblob | ok cheers thought that might be | 18:09 |
| ZogG | happyblob, right after pr1.2 =) so i say next decay | 18:09 |
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| Stskeeps | happyblob: it will boot into xfce4 and have usb networking and you need to flash the rootfs in NAND | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | so not newbie friendly | 18:09 |
| ZogG | Stskeeps xfce4 ? how is it connected? | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | ZogG: there's a xfce4 for moblin (and hence for meego) | 18:10 |
| MohammadAG | how do i restart hildon-status-menu? | 18:10 |
| MohammadAG | nvm, dsmetool | 18:10 |
| ZogG | hence is xfce4 baed mobile DE? | 18:10 |
| happyblob | ok ta. glad you got some x action up :) | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | no | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | just good old xfce4 | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:10 |
| ZogG | so what is hence? | 18:10 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, N900 image available? :) | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: no, wait for 1.0 | 18:11 |
| MohammadAG | thought 1.0 was released, my bad | 18:11 |
| ZogG | there is image for n900 | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | well, yes, codedrop | 18:12 |
| ZogG | so you get image and than you isntall xfce4 yourself or there is ARM pkg? | 18:12 |
| MohammadAG | with a bash shell, I know about it | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | ZogG: arm pkg | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | ZogG: you have a n810? | 18:13 |
| ZogG | ok | 18:13 |
| ZogG | Stskeeps, i have n900 | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 18:13 |
| ZogG | one day i'll have guts to install gentoo on n900 | 18:13 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, was the Mer project stopped? | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: right, no point continuing | 18:13 |
| ZogG | why not? | 18:14 |
| ZogG | cause of meego? | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | meego's pretty much doing what we wanted to do | 18:14 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, may I ask who came up with that decision? :) | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | me? | 18:14 |
| * MohammadAG shoots Stskeeps | 18:14 | |
| ZogG | i don't think there is any linux project that was made till the end | 18:14 |
| happyblob | what happened to mer^2? | 18:14 |
| happyblob | i thought there were some legitimate aims there | 18:14 |
| javispedro | this again? :) | 18:14 |
| ZogG | mer 2 point 0 | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | happyblob: the general consensus seems to be that people want meego instead of recompiling fremantle | 18:15 |
| ZogG | i say we make kmer | 18:15 |
| ZogG | kde4 based | 18:15 |
| ZogG | for n770 | 18:15 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, tbh I was more interested and excited about Mer than MeeGo | 18:15 |
| ZogG | =D | 18:15 |
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| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, what about the N810? | 18:15 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, but mer was unofficial, wasn't it? | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: what about it? meego runs on there :) | 18:15 |
| MohammadAG | yes, that's what was exciting about it | 18:15 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, MeeGo runs on the N810? | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: around same time N900 did, so did N810 | 18:16 |
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| ZogG | meego runs in microwaves as intel said | 18:16 |
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| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: in fact, i brought meego on n810 to the first team meeting | 18:16 |
| ZogG | maybe there are i7 in them but who cares it's microwave =) | 18:16 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 runs circles around meego | 18:17 | |
| ZogG | Stskeeps, there is thread in talks, i assume it';s yours | 18:17 |
| ZogG | i don't care if it's meego or maemo or whatever until it works properly =) | 18:17 |
| ZogG | and has the future | 18:17 |
| * arachnist runs his phenom on meego | 18:17 | |
| Stskeeps | ZogG: and i agree | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | so keep on using your current system | 18:18 |
| * javispedro plans to buy an i5 to skip the entire meego_x86 sse3 debacle | 18:18 | |
| ZogG | that's what i do | 18:18 |
| ZogG | if n900 was't main phone i would expeement | 18:18 |
| ZogG | but i don't have time to srew it up | 18:18 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 runs over #maemo | 18:18 | |
| * javispedro kicks DocScrutinizer from #meego for being OT .... ooops. | 18:19 | |
| ZogG | anyway i heard rumors that Terminator is running meego and would be send from future to kill steeve Jobs before iphone is released | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: DocScrutinizer51 here. And I'm not even sure I'm on #meego :-P | 18:20 |
| ZogG | you are on different client there | 18:21 |
| MohammadAG | MeeGo uses RPM, and I hate that as much as DocScrutinizer51 hates gnome :) | 18:21 |
| MohammadAG | 51, derived from RX-51 | 18:21 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, why would you hate rpm | 18:21 |
| ZogG | i don't care but you can convince me | 18:22 |
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| MohammadAG | why should I if you don't care? :) | 18:22 |
| MohammadAG | grr brb | 18:22 |
| MohammadAG | chem | 18:22 |
| * javispedro grabs some popcorn and and a cushy sofa | 18:22 | |
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| * MohammadAG raises javispedro's port voltage to 6V | 18:23 | |
| * Arkenoi does not feel that either rpm or dpkg are significantly superior to other one | 18:23 | |
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| * javispedro yawns at the idea of not having a deb vs rpm flame :'( | 18:23 | |
| satmd | so... it does not matter | 18:23 |
| satmd | it really does not | 18:24 |
| * Arkenoi has rpm on desktop and development server and ubuntu on netbook and both are equally usable | 18:25 | |
| arachnist | both deb and rpm suck. but at least rpm spec files are easier to write | 18:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping | 18:26 |
| infobot | ~pong | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | o.O | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | foobar | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | s/bar/rar/ | 18:27 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer51 meant: foorar | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~seen Arkenoi | 18:28 |
| infobot | arkenoi is currently on #maemo (2d 3h 14m 13s). Has said a total of 42 messages. Is idling for 5m 12s, last said: 'javispedro, which jre does microemulator use?'. | 18:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | cough | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aah | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | action | 18:30 |
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| GAN900 | Frufru coffee | 18:30 |
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| javispedro | ok | 18:31 |
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| javispedro | so I know that garnetvm is calling cacheflush using old abi | 18:31 |
| javispedro | but I've objdump -D * | grep swi to no avail | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not noticing it was an action is quite a fail | 18:32 |
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| MohammadAG | you killed freenode | 18:39 |
| arachnist | hah | 18:39 |
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| javispedro | hmm.... does anyone know what does the gnu disassembler understand for "svcpl", "svcvs" mnemonics before I have to look up the opcodes? | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell arachnist about query | 18:41 |
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| * javispedro discovers svc=swi, ah well. | 18:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ferengi math? | 18:43 |
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| javispedro | is the marketing a star trek federation of marketers? then, yes. | 18:44 |
| javispedro | er.. | 18:44 |
| javispedro | are the ferengi a star trek federation race of known marketers? then, yes. | 18:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Has anyone seen javispedro and Yoda in the same room? | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's Lukas, not Roddenberry | 18:45 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: you have a problem with my english? it directly from the master comes itself! | 18:45 |
| javispedro | ;P | 18:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so quiet here. lemme spam some OT... | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | Take a pintglass (= approx 5 litres) | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://supercocktails.com/1851/Pan-Galactic-Gargle-Blaster | 18:52 |
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| MohammadAG | yep, DocScrutinizer's bored alright | 18:53 |
| * DocScrutinizer is gogling in vain for receipe of Geenon-T'Onyx | 18:57 | |
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| Schorschl | tihihi http://www.designtagebuch.de/pixels-invasion-der-8-bit-kreaturen/ | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/dont-panic.png | 19:12 |
| Schorschl | this video is pretty nice^^ | 19:13 |
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| ZogG | video? | 19:13 |
| Schorschl | the link to the blog | 19:13 |
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| RST38h | moo zap | 19:13 |
| zap | hi :) | 19:14 |
| ZogG | Schorschl image* | 19:14 |
| Schorschl | oh no, i dont mean the image :D | 19:15 |
| ZogG | openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/iwantyou2.png | 19:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/dontpanic-uboot.png even better (of course, was built to custom for me - like the other 2, but this seems the last version ;-P ) | 19:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | somebody said he's going to create a 'video' from it, to replace the shaking hands. Quite some months ago... | 19:21 |
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| PhonicUK | hey all | 19:22 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, any idea how much the accelerometer takes? | 19:22 |
| MohammadAG | hi PhonicUK | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | how much it *takes*? | 19:22 |
| PhonicUK | whats that app that lets you use an N900 as a PS3 controller? | 19:23 |
| PhonicUK | i cant find it | 19:23 |
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| TomaszD | something like sixaxis | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG | SIXAXIS(TM) Support | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, err, how much mAs it uses? | 19:24 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Essetially nothing compared to the CPU power used in the wakeups | 19:24 |
| PhonicUK | i thought that was to use the PS3 controller to control an N900 | 19:25 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, oh so turning off rotation doesn't really save power | 19:25 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders where his n900 is. | 19:25 | |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: Vdd Supply voltage 2.16 2.5 3.6 V | 19:25 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Well - There is a seperate thing. | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | Idd Supply current T = 25°C, ODR=100Hz 0.3 0.4 mA | 19:25 |
| MohammadAG | PhonicUK, what exactly did you ask for? | 19:26 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Done right, rotation is not done by polling the accel. | 19:26 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: But by interrupts. | 19:26 |
| PhonicUK | to make the N900 behave like a PS3 controller | 19:26 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Anyway - it's largely irrelevant - with the screen on - that tends to dwarf everything. | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, and is it "done right" on the N900? | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 19:26 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Not looked. | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | PhonicUK, BlueMaemo | 19:26 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: So if the screen is +- one brightness step, that will have a much greater impact. | 19:27 |
| PhonicUK | ty | 19:27 |
| MohammadAG | developed by VDVsx | 19:27 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, so 63 to 255 makes a difference? | 19:28 |
| MohammadAG | 63 being level 4 | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: sorry what? | 19:28 |
| MohammadAG | brightness | 19:29 |
| MohammadAG | display brightness | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet it makes a diff | 19:29 |
| MohammadAG | the 255 should've gave it away | 19:29 |
| MohammadAG | 3 mins? | 19:29 |
| MohammadAG | or so | 19:29 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: a _huge_ difference. | 19:29 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: IIRC - brightness at max - with CPU idle and displaying screen - uses about 3* the power as brightness at min | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | also please keep in mind backlight is relative to ALS as well, not only brightness setting | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 19:30 |
| MohammadAG | ALS? | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Screen on - system idle - is around 80mA - backlight is anotehr 150mA - maximum. | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | nad also the screen and drive support adaptive backlight which means a dark screen *content* also reduces power consumption for backlight | 19:31 |
| SpeedEvil | indeed. | 19:31 |
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| Gh0sty | hax++ | 19:32 |
| Gh0sty | http://ghosty.be/pics/n900/ | 19:32 |
| Gh0sty | this adapter used to be a UK plug :P | 19:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so absolute figures for power consumption of backlight are quite worthless unless precisely defined conditions | 19:32 |
| MohammadAG | how is RAM accessed? | 19:33 |
| MohammadAG | (on linux) | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | like "ambient light 1000lux to ALS aperture, white blank screen" | 19:33 |
| MohammadAG | i.e how can it be dumped? | 19:33 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: /proc/kcore | 19:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: but that is disabled in the default kernel config. | 19:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Or not enabled | 19:33 |
| MohammadAG | isn't disabled = not enabled? :) | 19:34 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 19:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | Disabled implies it was actively turned off. | 19:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Not enabled implies it was not actively turned on. | 19:34 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't happen to know the default state. | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | /dev/kmem ? | 19:35 |
| MohammadAG | eitherways it's not in the default kernel | 19:35 |
| SpeedEvil | kmem is - I think the virtual memory | 19:35 |
| javispedro | what about /dev/mem? | 19:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | kcore is the physical | 19:36 |
| MohammadAG | /dev/ram* | 19:36 |
| MohammadAG | what's that? | 19:36 |
| javispedro | nothing. | 19:36 |
| SpeedEvil | ramdisk devices | 19:36 |
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| javispedro | (of interest, I meant :) ) | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway cat /dev/kmem | fsckd my device XP | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | cat /dev/kmem | less even | 19:37 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 19:37 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: read of byte 0 from it should cause page fault | 19:37 |
| javispedro | so no wonder. | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 19:37 |
| javispedro | cat is not a tool for it, hd with skip might. | 19:37 |
| MohammadAG | i was thinking of something like hibernate support | 19:37 |
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| javispedro | hah. | 19:37 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Ah - that's completely different | 19:37 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, dump kcore and restore it? | 19:38 |
| javispedro | god. | 19:38 |
| SpeedEvil | no, you don't do it like that. | 19:38 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a _whole_ lot more involved. | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | lmfao, it killed the desktop | 19:38 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: your kernel might have oopsed. | 19:38 |
| SpeedEvil | There is a whole infrastructure around how to hibernate without corruption. | 19:38 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, my apologies, that's how the PSP pulled it off ;) | 19:38 |
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| javispedro | MohammadAG: then it's not real hibernation. | 19:39 |
| javispedro | example | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: prolly, but then why didn't it reboot completely? | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | or did it? | 19:39 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, it consumes power afaik (similar to sleep) | 19:39 |
| javispedro | your disk controller is in the middle of writing a sector. you power it off. data lost. | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's over in the other room | 19:39 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: oops is not fatal... | 19:39 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: read usr/src/linux/Documentation/power/swsusp.txt | 19:40 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, so there's not much of a chance of hib. support on the N900? | 19:40 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: depends on wheter the drivers are up to the task. | 19:40 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: You basically need _all_ the drivers to support hibernation. | 19:40 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Plus. It's of slightly questionable benefit. | 19:40 |
| MohammadAG | which i doubt nokia considered | 19:40 |
| javispedro | ++SpeedEvil | 19:40 |
| javispedro | N900 boots in what, seconds? | 19:40 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: When you can have 150 hour battery life with wifi active. | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: quite polite say | 19:40 |
| MohammadAG | well, my ip is static | 19:40 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: That's not quite what I meant. | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's utterly useless | 19:41 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: I would actually like suspend to 'disk' | 19:41 |
| MohammadAG | so hibernate > replace batt > restore means i don't have to reconnect | 19:41 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: Consider that you've got lots of stuff open - the whole of RAM can be dumped to disk in 20s, and restored in 20s | 19:41 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - replace bat | 19:41 |
| SpeedEvil | that's one interesting app - for me. | 19:41 |
| MohammadAG | i replace my battery quite often | 19:42 |
| MohammadAG | 4 times a day maybe | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I used suspend-to-ram on N810 iirc | 19:42 |
| javispedro | there was no actual suspend-to-ram, | 19:42 |
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| javispedro | but fake suspend that on an omap is pretty much the same | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, ok | 19:42 |
| javispedro | ie you disable everything that is disableable and sigstop everything -- n8x0 could be up this way for months | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah I know | 19:43 |
| MohammadAG | but technically i'd get everything back after "unsuspending" right? | 19:43 |
| SpeedEvil | You can get to - I think - around 200h standby with all but the processor in the n900 turned off. | 19:43 |
| GAN900 | fanoush did 30 days in normal idle one time. | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | still dunno what 'suspend -s 1' or whatever is doing, esp what's different on a N810 campared to a 'normal' system | 19:44 |
| GAN900 | N810 | 19:44 |
| javispedro | of interest also is that libosso had support for a weird nokia-specific entirely user space hibernatio | 19:44 |
| javispedro | n | 19:44 |
| javispedro | which was initially designed for low power conditions | 19:44 |
| javispedro | since it requires support from applications, it's pretty much useless | 19:44 |
| MohammadAG | but is it doable in theory? | 19:45 |
| MohammadAG | at least for battery replacement cases | 19:45 |
| MohammadAG | of course it wouldn't be "real" hibernation support | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: depends on all the drivers playing nicely | 19:45 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: In principle, yes, you can do it. | 19:46 |
| MohammadAG | the suspend-to-ram app | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil | you really want to do it in kernel | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | if just one driver drops the ball on suspend, you lost the game | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil | What is echo mem >/sys/power/state doing | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | it's doing _something_ | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | It seems to take much longer to respond to a ping - I wonder if it's actually going to sleep and then waking immediately | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: and I bet some closed source nokia driver, for e.g sound, or DSP, will throw sticks at your legs | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | no closed kernel drivers in n900 | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, right | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what's about the hw-accel? | 19:48 |
| SpeedEvil | [20586.884216] PM: Entering mem sleep | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | [20586.884246] Suspending console(s) (use no_console_suspend to debug) | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | [20594.572631] Successfully put all powerdomains to target state | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | [20594.954406] soc-audio soc-audio: scheduling resume work | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | [20594.954437] soc-audio soc-audio: starting resume work | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | [20594.977935] PM: Finishing wakeup. | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | 3d? libs | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | echo mem >/sys/power/state | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Which wackily - I woke from suspend by a ping. | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | muhaha, that's quite refreshing such a 0.4s nap | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: use "sleep 1; echo foo..." otherwise you'll fall into the trap of suspending with pressed enter key | 19:50 |
| SpeedEvil | yes, I know | 19:51 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you aren't working from ssh over wlan | 19:51 |
| SpeedEvil | isn't that 12? | 19:51 |
| SpeedEvil | 12s | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | err what? | 19:51 |
| SpeedEvil | 594-586=1 | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | I need <1s to press and release the return key | 19:52 |
| SpeedEvil | 12 | 19:52 |
| pupnik | is it permissible to -sigstop other processes? if we -sigcont them? | 19:52 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - right | 19:52 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: in what context? | 19:52 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I was responding to the 0.5s comment | 19:52 |
| MohammadAG | 3227mV, when does the N900 power down again? | 19:53 |
| pupnik | i'm kidding. i see other stuff taking up cpu sometimes and want to shut em down | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG | 3220? | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: 3240 IIRC with stock BME | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: if you do 'stop bme' 2700 | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG | kk | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG | ty | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | [20594.572631] Successfully put all powerdomains to target state [20594.954406] soc-audio soc-audio: scheduling resume work | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | though you might be right | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil | I was assuming the domains mesasage was on the way up | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | the [20594.954406] soc-audio soc-audio: scheduling resume work actually might be printed *after* suspend period | 19:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | Oooh - impressive | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, the [20594.572631] Successfully put all powerdomains to target state | 19:54 |
| SpeedEvil | echo ram >power | 19:54 |
| * BugBlue is starting to hate it that I can't update some apps | 19:55 | |
| SpeedEvil | bq27200's 'SI' is 2mA after a couple of mins | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf? | 19:55 |
| BugBlue | something with qt4.6 and <TheVersionWhichShallNotBeNamed> | 19:55 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yeah -'domains'is onthe way up. | 19:55 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Same with a couple of mins between suspend and resume. | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2mA might open path for a goldcap | 19:56 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Note. That's 2mA - with the cellmoup. | 19:56 |
| SpeedEvil | cellmo up | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | WHAT?? | 19:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Or I think itis. | 19:56 |
| * DocScrutinizer starring in disbelief | 19:56 | |
| * DocScrutinizer doubts SpeedEvil's bq.script is correct | 19:57 | |
| SpeedEvil | Perhaps - it was saying 10mA before | 19:57 |
| ShadowJK | SI ignores bursts/peaks | 19:57 |
| jaska | think i need to recompile the terminal on n900, the colors are off like they were with diablo terminal | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | should average them | 19:57 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yeah | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, actually not | 19:58 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: it's notmeant for that | 19:58 |
| ShadowJK | Or rather, it counts bursts/peaks as active instead of idle ;) | 19:58 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: It's meant for 'what's the stanadby current | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: exactly | 19:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | not average standby | 19:58 |
| ShadowJK | Though if you can get it to stay in STR for a few hours you'd be able to use the NAC to calculate average consumption ;p | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | everything >x*SI (with x=?? 2, or 4?) | 19:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes - I was ponderin that next | 19:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: you're outsmarting me on my own playground ;-D | 20:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah - cellmo active | 20:00 |
| * DocScrutinizer blames biorhythm | 20:00 | |
| SpeedEvil | wakes on ring | 20:00 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: doesn't mean a thing though | 20:00 |
| MohammadAG | what was my quit messgae? | 20:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | modem power is highly burst driven | 20:01 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes - I know - I need to look at the capacity decrement over a few hours | 20:01 |
| MohammadAG | wondering how osso-powerup-shutdown closes apps? | 20:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Well - it does mean a thing | 20:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though those modem bursts are 0.5..2sec | 20:02 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: In that SI of 10 before, 2 after, clearly means you have at least ~1%/hour less drain. | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | so should fall into the avrg window | 20:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Which makes suspend at least what ... >300h? | 20:02 |
| ShadowJK | maybe put cellmo into offline mode before str? | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 20:03 |
| MohammadAG | does soft poweroff actually differ from offline mode? | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably gives you a gew k hours of "standby" :-) | 20:03 |
| MohammadAG | but it doesn't do anything | 20:04 |
| SpeedEvil | ok - starting suspend at 441mAh | 20:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: we await your reports around 2010-08-01 then ;-P | 20:04 |
| SpeedEvil | in offline mode | 20:04 |
| SpeedEvil | I suppose I need to leave it at least an hour. | 20:04 |
| Funnyface | hmm my mate told me he broke his N900's USB jack :\ | 20:05 |
| Funnyface | he got it covered by warranty, but still shows it's weak | 20:05 |
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| * DocScrutinizer throws one of his hacked gta02 batteries at SpeedEvil | 20:05 | |
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| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, preferrably more considering bq27200.sh uses integer arithmetic and thus you don't get decimals :-) | 20:06 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: hacked how? | 20:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Internal bq? | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: attached a few wires, to use amp-meter ;-P | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | it's labelled "hacked" | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 20:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: hmm - capacity is stored in what units? | 20:06 |
| ShadowJK | 3.57 µVh iirc | 20:07 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Is it 5*3.7uVs's? | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: gta02 battery is with internal bq | 20:07 |
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| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, there's no factor 5 in there | 20:07 |
| SpeedEvil | 5s | 20:07 |
| ShadowJK | NAC=$(($NAC * 3570 / $RS / 1000)) | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 20:08 |
| ShadowJK | AI=$(($AI * 3570 / $RS / 1000)) | 20:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | hmm | 20:08 |
| ShadowJK | Though AI is 8bit and NAC is 16bit | 20:08 |
| ShadowJK | iirc | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | the 5s figure nowhere shows up | 20:08 |
| ShadowJK | no sorry they're both 16bit | 20:09 |
| SpeedEvil | k | 20:09 |
| SpeedEvil | AI=SI? | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | all the same | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | for the formula | 20:09 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's just a 1) and a 2) footnote | 20:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | one some 3.7uVh, the other some 27 iirc | 20:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err 3.57 | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | rip a battery and cut the gnd wire. Attach two wires for your amp-meter :-) | 20:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for sure is cheaper than fixing the solder on the battery posts of N900 | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you add a 3rd wire for V+, you can even use it to feed power from a PSU | 20:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probe cell voltage and current | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | and do other weird things :-D | 20:16 |
| merlin1991 | just a general question, how long did it take you guys to set up the sdk? | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | errm, some hours | 20:17 |
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| merlin1991 | I'm @ 2 hours 30 now :D | 20:18 |
| merlin1991 | mostly waiting for stuff to dl | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | mostly to download, and figure what I did wrong | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously depends on your internet link | 20:18 |
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| merlin1991 | should have done it when I was back in vienna, 2mb vs 400kb :D | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 20:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also doing such things NOT at weekends when maemo.org is usually slow as hell might help a lot | 20:20 |
| merlin1991 | hehe | 20:20 |
| merlin1991 | I'm dl with my max speed from here, so it's ok | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, tmo seems quite responsive atm | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | unusual | 20:21 |
| * MohammadAG brings it down | 20:21 | |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 20:21 |
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| merlin1991 | someone with a ddos network? ;) | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | tmo IS a ddos network ;-P | 20:22 |
| MohammadAG | got 3 friends on the other server who can bring it down :) | 20:22 |
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| * GAN900 's Windows 98 | 20:26 | |
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| GAN900 | Can't copy text from GMail into WordPad apparently. | 20:26 |
| MohammadAG | what's CONFIG_VIDEO_MACH? | 20:27 |
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| GAN900 | Er, <3's 98 | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: win98 ?? o.O | 20:29 |
| GAN900 | Yeah, work machines | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ugh | 20:30 |
| GAN900 | One of the first bookstores in the US to computerize | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: commet out it and you'll learn | 20:30 |
| GAN900 | What are you gonna do? ;) | 20:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, yeah | 20:31 |
| johnsq | Hi | 20:31 |
| opdf2 | im tryin to install adblock plus from http://browser.garage.maemo.org/extensions/adblock_plus-1.1.1-fx+sm+tb+mb.xpi | 20:31 |
| opdf2 | It sasy not valid install package though | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's already set to =m, HA! | 20:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | modprobe -r then ;-P | 20:32 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 20:33 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, CONFIG_SUSPEND=y | 20:33 |
| MohammadAG | default ^ | 20:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems it's the right time of day for a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster | 20:36 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves | 20:36 | |
| * MohammadAG waves | 20:36 | |
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| MohammadAG | I'm tempted to comment this out CONFIG_WATCHDOG=y | 20:38 |
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| moo---_ | MohammadAG: i think it is automatic restart when something crashes? | 20:42 |
| MohammadAG | which is why i'm tempted to take it out | 20:42 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, hi, is it you that is comfortable trying to find out power drain | 20:43 |
| lcuk | for different components | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 20:44 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, :P | 20:44 |
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| Ikarus | hrm, anyone know where in the API docs I can find info on the filechoser ? | 20:49 |
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| peetah | ls | 20:52 |
| peetah | oops sorry | 20:52 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil if you are able to run some tests MohammadAG will give details. ;) | 20:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuyes | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: err - what was lcuk going on about? | 20:57 |
| MohammadAG | /query'd it | 20:57 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 20:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | Hmm. After 1h - 2mAh down. Neat. | 21:04 |
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| Ikarus | I can't find it as part of the Hildon API | 21:08 |
| Ikarus | and it doesn't seem to be quite the standard Gtk selector hmz | 21:08 |
| merlin1991 | uhm crazy question, but how to type a @ in scratchbox? :D | 21:08 |
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| Ikarus | hrm, runFileChooser | 21:13 |
| Ikarus | oh, wait, that is just a wrapper | 21:13 |
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| shinkamui | anyone know whats new in the latest build of opera 10? | 21:19 |
| shinkamui | nothing stated on their blog site | 21:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | shinkamui: I vaguely recall some mention of lack of errors when saving preferences. | 21:20 |
| SpeedEvil | They have a 'forum' | 21:20 |
| shinkamui | ha ha | 21:20 |
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| shinkamui | was hoping something new | 21:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: 2mAh is actually nice | 21:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Indeed - I'm doing better measurements now. | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1F = 1As/V | 21:23 |
| SpeedEvil | 2G/3G/'airplane mode' | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 21:23 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 21:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so 1mF should yield 1s at 1mA while going down from 4V to 3V | 21:24 |
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| Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: only if it is perfect | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | given we want 10s @ 2mA for 3V5-3V0 | 21:26 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Indeed i's not completely implausible. | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | 40.000uF if my math isn't roten | 21:26 |
| SpeedEvil | But it's in the range of 'annoying' sizes. | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | not for a goldcap | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | or even one of those CR1150 LiIon bupbats | 21:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | No. | 21:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | They are annoyingly spendy though | 21:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 21:31 |
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| * DocScrutinizer ponders about a 50mAh USB dongle, to bridge the hotswap time for main battery | 21:32 | |
| DocScrutinizer | given we config and manage bq24150 correctly, this should pan out quite well | 21:33 |
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| summel | http://www.aavamobile.com/downloads.php where can i get that maemo theme? :o | 21:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Something like a li-ion AAA cell, with boost, along with a normal battery in a case'd work well. | 21:35 |
| frals | fuck me vertsms code is messy | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | too complicated | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | use 3 pcs NiCad button cells | 21:36 |
| frals | almost as bad as my own code! | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | or 4 | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | just charge to 5V for a few 10s seconds | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | via VBUS boost | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | then switch to 2mA suspend and bq24150 'charging' mode with ultralow charge end current | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | should work like a charm | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | should != will | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | i've learned that with maemo | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you know me? | 21:38 |
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| MohammadAG | ~DocScrutinizer | 21:39 |
| infobot | from memory, docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you *should* know me by now | 21:39 |
| MohammadAG | ~joerg | 21:39 |
| infobot | joerg is probably a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer | 21:39 |
| MohammadAG | now I do | 21:39 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yeah, you keep looking into something till it works | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | who said "hostmode _should_ work" ? | 21:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | stop bme, so we hope it's not tearing down the system on detecting battery removal (by whatever means it does that, or does it at all?) | 21:43 |
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| scr4ve | damnit. I just used Erminig which emptied my calendar - any way to get the data back? | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | restore backup ;-P | 21:45 |
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| scr4ve | DocScrutinizer: Sounds nice, but it isn't. any other ways around this? | 21:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: could you try to go to 2mA suspend while actually charging, then remove the battery for a few seconds? | 21:47 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, can't remember, was it you? :P | 21:47 |
| scr4ve | debugfs says Bad magic number in super-block while opening filesystem :-/ | 21:47 |
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| MohammadAG | ntfs support, might come in handy | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: maybe even stop bme before, and wait for 32s until bq24150 has reset and entered autonomous charge method | 21:49 |
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| ZogG_N900 | boring | 21:53 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, why isn't it resetting here! | 21:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ehh? | 21:55 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yeah - will do that sometime tonight | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | 32s | 21:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: it does. maybe you don't notice | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG | :S | 21:56 |
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| hrw | morning | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG | flickering is something i notice | 21:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bah | 21:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you're using some weird messed up kernel that fiddles with twl4030 broken chargepump | 21:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and who knows what hat flickering LED of your USB stick *actually* is indicating... Maybe data traffic, maybe bus resets | 21:59 |
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| jaska | quanta teleported | 22:00 |
| Ikarus | TWL4030's charge pump is quite unnecessery | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, take it out | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | :| | 22:00 |
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| Ikarus | well, more that the VBus pump on the charge controller should be sufficient | 22:01 |
| SpeedEvil | More likely there is some feed from a 3.3V line somehow - so it's getting ~2.8V or so into the USB stick - which puts - if it has a LDO in it - the internal voltage at - maybe 2.5V, when it should be 3.3. | 22:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Which is enough to make it glow and do strange things, but not actually work | 22:02 |
| merlin1991 | hm any input on how I could type a @ in scratchbox? I know it's something with the keyboard layout but not what :/ | 22:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | alt-space? | 22:04 |
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| merlin1991 | nope | 22:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | Anyone looked at getting 'carman' up on n900? | 22:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | never heard of, except of a Volkwagen iirc | 22:11 |
| merlin1991 | has there been any attempt to get a xfire conversation plugin done? | 22:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, that's been Karman | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/VW_Karmann-Ghia_Typ_14 | 22:14 |
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| MohammadAG | carman? | 22:17 |
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| MohammadAG | GRRR | 22:23 |
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| MohammadAG | why don't bt mice work with fremantle! | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG | (usb mice do the same) | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, any suggestions on how to do the xorg.conf stuff? | 22:24 |
| Ikarus | Hmz, anyone else here tried compcache to improve swap performance ? | 22:24 |
| Ikarus | I am trying to figure out how I could best benchmark it | 22:25 |
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| GAN900 | Does anybody else find the Android codenames to be stupid and silly? | 22:27 |
| MohammadAG | they're actually quite yummy | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: i'm petitioning to have MeeGo 1.0 be nicknamed 'Hope' as it's one of the most used words around MeeGo ;) | 22:28 |
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| * MohammadAG suggest "The Titanic" | 22:28 | |
| Ikarus | Stskeeps: heh, I am in favor | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG | suggests* | 22:28 |
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| Stskeeps | or, a new hope, :P | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | evening kathy | 22:31 |
| RevdKathy | Evenin stskeeps ;-) Evening all | 22:31 |
| frals | lo RevdKathy o/ | 22:31 |
| RevdKathy | Lo Frals! You sobered up after getting fMMS into extras yet? | 22:32 |
| tybollt_ | \o | 22:32 |
| frals | hehe | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | morning RevdKathy :) | 22:32 |
| tybollt_ | frals sober? gimme a break ;) | 22:32 |
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| RevdKathy | 'Lo tybolly_ 'lo MohammadAG | 22:32 |
| frals | RevdKathy: im still holding out till i get the bottle of booze lcuk promised me... ;-) | 22:32 |
| frals | bah @ people having .pyo/.pyc files in git repos | 22:33 |
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| tybollt_ | RevdKathy: cheers | 22:33 |
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| RevdKathy | lcuk is down to about 93 bottles of beer by now, I think | 22:33 |
| frals | :D | 22:33 |
| tybollt_ | 93 bottles of beer, take on down pass it around 92 bottles of beer on the wall... | 22:33 |
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| MohammadAG | what does THAT mean! | 22:34 |
| GAN900 | Hey-ho, RevdKathy. | 22:34 |
| RevdKathy | lcuk was trying to get them all druk so he could do more graffitti on his wall | 22:34 |
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| RevdKathy | Hiya GAN900 how's tricks? | 22:34 |
| GAN900 | RevdKathy, pretty good. Back working for the Summer. Nice to be on a real schedule again. | 22:35 |
| RevdKathy | summer work away from college, or is college done now, GAN900? | 22:35 |
| ml-mobile | is there any kernel facility for killing any process that consumes too many seconds of consecutive processor time? | 22:42 |
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| MohammadAG | ping | 22:47 |
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| reggna | pong | 22:47 |
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| MohammadAG | ty | 22:48 |
| reggna | np | 22:48 |
| RevdKathy | You guys playing badminton? | 22:48 |
| _llll_ | wiff-waff, surely | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | i kinda wish, good weather for badminton today | 22:49 |
| RevdKathy | or beach volleyball | 22:49 |
| GAN900 | RevdKathy, away from. | 22:50 |
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| GAN900 | RevdKathy, probably another year, then grad school. | 22:51 |
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| RevdKathy | You'll be well qualified by then!!! | 22:51 |
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| * tybollt_ sighs | 22:58 | |
| tybollt_ | nokia - give us MOAR maemo/meego phones MOAR | 22:59 |
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| tybollt_ | maemo/meego _sooo_ needs something X10 mini/htc tatoo sized... | 23:00 |
| luke-jr | ... | 23:01 |
| luke-jr | as if the N900 isn't already too small | 23:01 |
| Ikarus | luke-jr: it could do with being a bit flatter | 23:02 |
| haltdef | htc universal sized n900 pls | 23:02 |
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| luke-jr | Ikarus: nonsense | 23:05 |
| luke-jr | even my N810 is far thinner than it needs to be | 23:05 |
| Ikarus | luke-jr: it doesn't work well in my pants pocket | 23:05 |
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| luke-jr | why not? | 23:06 |
| luke-jr | 2 - 2.5 cm would be a good thickness | 23:06 |
| luke-jr | N810 is about 1 cm | 23:06 |
| Ikarus | luke-jr: no way | 23:06 |
| luke-jr | ya way | 23:07 |
| luke-jr | not my fault you have teeny tiny pockets :P | 23:07 |
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| johnsq | luke-jr: just take two n810 with you | 23:10 |
| GAN900 | luke-jr, just get that Dell thing. | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | johnsq: haha, if only it was that simple | 23:10 |
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| luke-jr | GAN900: ??? | 23:10 |
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| GAN900 | luke-jr, that 5" tablet phone thing they've got. Mini 5 | 23:11 |
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| trumee | anybody using DC-6 for charging N900? | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | a plane? kinda challenging? | 23:18 |
| trumee | my dc-6 doesnt work :( | 23:19 |
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| trumee | wondering what else should i use. | 23:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | One of these? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC9 | 23:21 |
| luke-jr | GAN900: where's the keyboard? | 23:22 |
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| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, ping? | 23:27 |
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| GAN900 | luke-jr, ah, right, that. | 23:38 |
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| GAN900 | Well, almost. | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: sortof pong | 23:38 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, huge lag :) | 23:38 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm? | 23:55 |
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| Stskeeps | thumbs down? | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | the anti-stskeeps brigade, obviously | 23:57 |
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| GAN900 | Ha | 23:59 |
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