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| rokr1 | hello all | 00:27 |
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| rokr1 | anyone there...? | 00:28 |
| * djdm is here, yes - haven;t seen anyone else for a few minutes though | 00:28 | |
| djdm | Though you'd expect there to be with over 500 peeps in here :) | 00:29 |
| bartekxyz | Channel full of people,nobody willing do speak | 00:29 |
| Jaffa | lcukn900: No, my house is up near Rugby. No early trains for the weekend working tomorrow. | 00:29 |
| rokr1 | okay | 00:30 |
| lbt | well, all of Extras is up there now... | 00:32 |
| lbt | not the best summary.... http://pastie.org/961971 | 00:33 |
| rokr1 | is there any wap browser available which i can use to download movies from www.iphonemoviez.net | 00:34 |
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| crashanddie | rokr1: you are so close to getting kicked | 00:35 |
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| crashanddie | may I recommend treading *extremely* carefully? | 00:35 |
| rokr1 | okie | 00:36 |
| crashanddie | rokr1: why would you want WAP? You have a full IP stack, and support for fully fledged websites | 00:36 |
| lcukn900 | jaf, ahh thought it was closer lol. enjoying bluray? | 00:36 |
| lcukn900 | jaf, mm | 00:37 |
| lcukn900 | autocomplete isnt working | 00:37 |
| lcukn900 | jaffa | 00:37 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: | 00:37 |
| crashanddie | sure it is | 00:37 |
| lcukn900 | for you maybe lol | 00:37 |
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| crashanddie | :D | 00:37 |
| rokr1 | tried useragent for the microB browser | 00:37 |
| crashanddie | rokr1: what are you trying to achieve? | 00:37 |
| crashanddie | rokr1: without naming websites | 00:38 |
| rokr1 | website which i need to access is iphonemoviez.net | 00:38 |
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| crashanddie | they're just making it too easy these days | 00:44 |
| lcukn900 | who r? | 00:44 |
| crashanddie | spammers | 00:44 |
| * Arkenoi wonders if irc spam does pay, audience is relatively small and spam tolerance is low | 00:45 | |
| range | Mail spam pays in the per mill area. I guess irc spam does, too. | 00:47 |
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| range | And it is relatively cheap. Lowrider here was a bot logged in from three computers. | 00:48 |
| lcukn900 | was that spa or just some1 saying the site he wanted to go no? | 00:48 |
| range | I thought people were talking about lowrider (who renamed himself to Drogba for some other channels) | 00:48 |
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| lcukn900 | i dunno crash just kicked some1 | 00:49 |
| lcukn900 | my typing is awful tonight | 00:49 |
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| crashanddie | well, it could've been a real person | 00:53 |
| crashanddie | but in doubt, I'd rather remove a malwave spammer even if it means I just kicked someone who genuinely wanted to access a malware website | 00:53 |
| crashanddie | either case, I told him to tread very carefully, which he didn't | 00:53 |
| Macer | :) | 00:54 |
| Macer | Opened: 2008-10-31 22:54 | 00:54 |
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| Macer | you have to love it when you file a bug almost 2 years for something that seems important but it is completely ignored | 00:54 |
| Macer | go zimbra! | 00:54 |
| Macer | haha | 00:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/05/15/1839240/Google-Stops-Selling-Its-Own-Phone?art_pos=2 :/ | 01:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | (WRT the marketplace getting les open) | 01:02 |
| kpoman | hi all ! guys can someone help me ? I try to install amsn on a n810 (or whatever able to do videoconference from nit to pc) and it fails with some apt error on dependencies: link here: http://pastebin.com/jPaZHyrR | 01:02 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, of course you did and he didnt listen | 01:03 |
| lcuk | mind you, "dont press the red button" just makes it all the more appealing | 01:04 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: appeal doens't change my job | 01:04 |
| kpoman | someone know how to install it ? | 01:04 |
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| tybollt | SpeedEvil: then it was complete BS from the begining anyway. Open a web store and then only sell to certain markets? That is just aboiut as retarded as only Google can be :) | 01:05 |
| lcuk | kpoman, where did amsn come from and what repositories have you got enabled | 01:05 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: well - at least you could actually buy it open | 01:05 |
| lcuk | the simplest way to install stuff is to usually setup just the maemo ones and work with them | 01:06 |
| lcuk | having to add extra repositories usually ends up with extra problems | 01:06 |
| lcuk | dependency overlaps and version conflicts etc | 01:06 |
| kpoman | lcuk directly from the amsn project site, downloaded that repository ... tried to install both via the n810 gui and command line ... the apt stuff is posted on the link provided. it says some dependencies are un installable | 01:06 |
| kpoman | lcuk: I just saw posts saying this works on maemo | 01:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyone have a pointer to 'build a kernel on n900' ? I'm having problems getting started with it crosscompiling. | 01:07 |
| lcuk | yes of cource kpoman but i also dont know what repositories you are meant to have or what they provide | 01:07 |
| kpoman | and I downloaded from maemo repo of it | 01:07 |
| lcuk | remove all extra repos and try again | 01:07 |
| kpoman | lcuk: see here, it seems to be compatible: http://www.amsn-project.net/maemo-downloads.php | 01:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Basically as, I have a slackware laptop that 'just works' and I don't want to screw with upgrading it | 01:07 |
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| lcuk | kpoman i dont doubt it | 01:08 |
| kpoman | lcuk: i am newbie to this, received my tablet last thursday | 01:08 |
| kpoman | lcuk: i just want to make a video call to my mom in other country | 01:08 |
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| lcuk | o, well try what i have suggested - remove all additional repositories except for maemo and nokia | 01:09 |
| kpoman | lcuk and to hack my device | 01:09 |
| lcuk | then go through the steps again | 01:09 |
| kpoman | a bit | 01:09 |
| kpoman | lcuk: where are thos ? i am already connected via ssh to the phone ... cant seem to find where the repos I downloaded are | 01:09 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: YOU could - cause you're _in the right country_ - Google said "sorry you're in Sweden - FUCK YOU!", so yeah, die google and die your silly web shop :) | 01:09 |
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| kpoman | lcuk: /etc/apt/sources.list.d ? | 01:10 |
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| lcuk | application manager repositories list | 01:10 |
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| lcuk | gui | 01:10 |
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| kpoman | lcuk: it seems to be the same thing as /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? | 01:11 |
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| Darokr1 | hey crashhanddie | 01:12 |
| lcuk | kpoman, sure | 01:12 |
| Who_Cares | First of all - hello everybody! | 01:12 |
| * lcuk has never seen a newbie who goes to the console before the gui | 01:13 | |
| Who_Cares | And sorry for my English | 01:13 |
| lcuk | maemo.ogr/packages ui is borkened | 01:13 |
| Who_Cares | I have a question - is it possible to somehow do scheduled mail checks with automatic internet connection? | 01:14 |
| Who_Cares | The thing is that i dont keep my connection always on, becouse of the battery lifetime | 01:14 |
| Darokr1 | autodisconnect | 01:14 |
| djdm | I was about to say that, yes | 01:15 |
| Who_Cares | i would like it connect to internet and check mails lets say every 30 minutes | 01:15 |
| djdm | Although not sure how you'd get it to auto-connect in the first place | 01:15 |
| Who_Cares | i have auto disconnect | 01:15 |
| Darokr1 | hey unban me crashhie | 01:15 |
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| djdm | afaik Modest only checks when already connected | 01:15 |
| Who_Cares | I`we also managed to get connection scripts that i can schedule to connect in specifix time | 01:16 |
| crashanddie | Darokr1: you do realise that ban evasion is punishable by a network ban, right? | 01:16 |
| Darokr1 | no not really | 01:16 |
| Darokr1 | i am new here buddy | 01:16 |
| crashanddie | I don't care, read the rules | 01:16 |
| Who_Cares | but the problem is that the dbus command i found in web (SendRecieve) is kinda not working for me? | 01:16 |
| Darokr1 | i have N900 | 01:16 |
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| djdm | Who_Cares: Unfortunately that's beyond what I can help with; maybe someone else can? | 01:17 |
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| Who_Cares | and there is not much information about that on the internet, so i decided to come and talk with you guys | 01:17 |
| crashanddie | Darokr1: done | 01:17 |
| Darokr1 | phew thanks crashhie | 01:17 |
| crashanddie | Darokr1: next time, send me a PM | 01:17 |
| crashanddie | Darokr1: also, please type my nick completely | 01:17 |
| Darokr1 | crashanddie is that okay | 01:18 |
| crashanddie | fine | 01:18 |
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| kpoman | lcuk: lol I really prefer command line, I bought mine tablet to do development with usb and python | 01:19 |
| lcuk | kpoman, thats cool | 01:19 |
| kpoman | lcuk: but still wanna use the tablet for what I bought (having webcam) | 01:20 |
| lcuk | the sources.d you found is regenerated by hildon-application-manager | 01:20 |
| kpoman | not that I dont like to take pictures of myself but ... | 01:20 |
| lcuk | the n810 has video chat built in afaik? | 01:20 |
| kpoman | lcuk: I placed the repo of amsn on top of the list and still get the same issue | 01:20 |
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| lcuk | well its possible they have forgotten about n810 users | 01:21 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: yeah, gtalk should work with video out of the box | 01:21 |
| kpoman | lcuk: which package ? I just want to communicate with an xp box via internet | 01:21 |
| lcuk | have you removed all your extra repos | 01:21 |
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| kpoman | lcuk: no, just took them lower | 01:21 |
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| rokr1 | is there any vlc port to maemo...? | 01:22 |
| lcuk | kpoman, well you know more than me then | 01:22 |
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| kpoman | lcuk: now i did remove the others, it still bugs | 01:22 |
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| crashanddie | rokr1: yes | 01:23 |
| lcuk | it might do, you will have to contact the website then, i dunno which repositories contain the required files you need | 01:23 |
| lcuk | external fad repositories | 01:24 |
| * lcuk rolleyes | 01:24 | |
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| rokr1 | i just saw that port in some...labs.com | 01:25 |
| kpoman | lcuk: it seems this one is buggy: E: Package libsoup2.4-1 has no installation candidat | 01:25 |
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| lcuk | im goin coding \o | 01:25 |
| lcuk | good luck kpoman | 01:25 |
| kpoman | ok thanks | 01:26 |
| lcuk | cya later crashanddie \o | 01:26 |
| kpoman | nevermind I will read some google | 01:26 |
| crashanddie | kpoman: libsoup2.4-1 should be installed by default http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_root_pr_armel/libsoup2.4-1/2.24.3-2maemo2+0m5/ | 01:26 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, m5 | 01:26 |
| lcuk | hes on n810 | 01:26 |
| crashanddie | oh | 01:26 |
| kpoman | crashanddie: how do I do that ? | 01:26 |
| crashanddie | kpoman: no sorry, it's for a more recent version of maemo | 01:27 |
| kpoman | wget ? apt ? | 01:27 |
| crashanddie | kpoman: get the sources from debian, and try to build it yourself in scratchbox | 01:27 |
| kpoman | crashanddie: I would really update mine, how do I do that ? | 01:27 |
| crashanddie | kpoman: maemo 5 only works on N900, not n810, sorry | 01:27 |
| rokr1 | but is meego officially available for n900 | 01:28 |
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| rokr1 | ? | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 01:28 |
| lcuk | is meego officially available for anything? | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | meego is not available officially for anything. | 01:28 |
| * lcuk isnt here | 01:28 | |
| rokr1 | atom process will loose to arm in power consumption | 01:28 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: take care guv | 01:29 |
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| rokr1 | just installed * | 01:29 |
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| rokr1 | Asterisk | 01:30 |
| rokr1 | home pbx | 01:30 |
| rokr1 | man N900 is a awsome device | 01:30 |
| b-man | kpoman: Maemo 5 is built on the Cortex-A8 architecture (armv7l), while your n810's processor is only ARM11 (armv6l) - if you wanted a more detailed reason ;) | 01:30 |
| lbt | not the best summary.... http://pastie.org/961971 | 01:30 |
| kpoman | b-man: ok no problem ! but it should be buildable ? | 01:31 |
| kpoman | for armv61 ? | 01:31 |
| rokr1 | kmplayer + mplayer is vlc alternative but cannot change aspect ratio | 01:31 |
| crashanddie | kpoman: except you wouldn't have drivers for squat shit | 01:31 |
| kpoman | crashanddie: ok | 01:32 |
| crashanddie | kpoman: and a bunch of UI is proprietary by Nokia, and we have no sources | 01:32 |
| kpoman | crashanddie: are they going to release some ? | 01:32 |
| crashanddie | doubtful at this stage | 01:32 |
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| rokr1 | i have a lot of hope with N900 and nokia | 01:33 |
| kpoman | crashanddie: see i just looked for libsoup found some packages, but dont quite understand ...are they for maemo 2 and 3 ? | 01:33 |
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| lcuk | lbt, are those the ones that made it in? | 01:33 |
| crashanddie | kpoman: link? | 01:33 |
| kpoman | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libsoup2.4-1/ | 01:33 |
| rokr1 | hey where to autostart an app | 01:34 |
| crashanddie | kpoman: they end with m5 | 01:34 |
| kpoman | crashanddie: seems to be for m5 | 01:34 |
| kpoman | yep | 01:34 |
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| crashanddie | kpoman: there's always a dirty thing you could try | 01:34 |
| kpoman | crashanddie: do you know how should I setup some chrooted fs or whatever to start downloading and compiling sources for m4 ? | 01:34 |
| crashanddie | kpoman: have already reflashed your n810, and are you afraid of doing it again? | 01:34 |
| kpoman | crashanddie: I just got it virgin | 01:35 |
| kpoman | crashanddie: I mean never flashed it nor nothing | 01:35 |
| crashanddie | ok, so there's a few things you need to be aware of | 01:35 |
| lcuk | kpoman, go onto google and seek people who replicated it on n810 recently | 01:35 |
| crashanddie | ~optification | 01:35 |
| infobot | rumour has it, optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs | 01:35 |
| lcuk | your problem is that the repositoriy is offering potentially outdated files | 01:35 |
| kpoman | crashanddie: what is that ? | 01:35 |
| lcuk | and incomplete installs | 01:35 |
| crashanddie | kpoman: basically, if you look at your partitioning (df) you'll see that the root (/) is very small | 01:35 |
| SpeedEvil | / is a seperate device | 01:36 |
| crashanddie | kpoman: which means that if applications just install to /usr/bin or whatever under /usr, you're going to run out of space very very quickly | 01:36 |
| kpoman | crashanddie: but see there are lot of casper or whatever fs, for example I run a complete os from my pendrive, isnt there a way to do such a thing here ? | 01:36 |
| crashanddie | kpoman: SpeedEvil explains it better | 01:36 |
| rokr1 | yes 256 mb nand flash | 01:36 |
| kpoman | crashanddie: isnt there a way to use those other 2gb ? | 01:36 |
| crashanddie | yeah, but it's slower (well, maybe not by much on the n810, I never tried it personally) | 01:37 |
| rokr1 | hey its just the swap partition | 01:37 |
| kpoman | dudes please wait (must go buy some food, my wife is shouting at me) brb I need to pass this whole night making my stuff work on usb | 01:37 |
| kpoman | brb | 01:37 |
| crashanddie | I know some people even ran their whole system from the SD card | 01:37 |
| kpoman | brb | 01:37 |
| crashanddie | sure | 01:37 |
| rokr1 | bye | 01:37 |
| kpoman | :( | 01:37 |
| rokr1 | oke quick brb | 01:38 |
| crashanddie | rokr1: we're talking about the n810 here, not the n900, no need to just shout stuff if you're not sure what we're talking about | 01:38 |
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| rokr1 | i am sorry | 01:38 |
| crashanddie | rokr1: and for the website you were trying to access earlier: it's not a legal website, we don't support that stuff in here | 01:38 |
| rokr1 | ok | 01:39 |
| crashanddie | rokr1: if you want to access it, you were on the right path using the modified User-Agent, but we can't help you more than that | 01:39 |
| rokr1 | i will never name it here | 01:39 |
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| MohammadAG_ | np pupnik | 02:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | Night all :) | 02:07 |
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| otubo | Does anyone know how to set default python to 2.5 (instead of 2.3.4) on sbox? | 02:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | should we go +r, to temporaraily protect users of this chan from spam? | 02:26 |
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| SpeedEvil1 | I've seen two or three | 02:28 |
| SpeedEvil1 | It's not a problem yet | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsckng elplace.com/ is spamming whole freenode with adverts, both to channels and in private queries to users skimmed from chan userlists | 02:28 |
| lcuk | and now from grumpy ops :P | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | pfrrrrrrpppf | 02:29 |
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| PhonicUK | hey all | 02:33 |
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| PhonicUK | anyone know if there is a working android image for the n900 somewhere? | 02:37 |
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| Macer | SO | 02:40 |
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| Macer | how is meego/maemo going? | 02:41 |
| Macer | :) | 02:41 |
| Macer | can't everybody just rename maemo to meego and done? | 02:41 |
| Macer | haha | 02:41 |
| PhonicUK | i want pr 1.2 | 02:41 |
| PhonicUK | and flash 10 | 02:41 |
| Macer | PhonicUK: SHHH.. that's crazy talk | 02:41 |
| Macer | :) | 02:41 |
| PhonicUK | lol | 02:41 |
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| PhonicUK | i want a pony too! | 02:41 |
| Macer | they won't have 1.2 if meego is stuck in the air keeping everything in limbo | 02:42 |
| PhonicUK | i cant see the topic :p | 02:42 |
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| Macer | PhonicUK: haha. that is like when you get caught in bed with another man's woman and you say "she didn't say she had a man!" | 02:42 |
| PhonicUK | using xchat on my n900 | 02:42 |
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| Macer | NO PR1.2 YET, askers will get kicked http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=638289#post638289 | 02:43 |
| Macer | that's the end part :) | 02:43 |
| Macer | i guess it's ok since you didn't ask :) | 02:43 |
| PhonicUK | good thing i wasn't asking :p | 02:43 |
| * lcuk ->> bed | 02:43 | |
| lcuk | gnite DocScrutinizer | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | gnite | 02:43 |
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| Macer | sleep is a crutch | 02:44 |
| PhonicUK | i want a good game for my n900 | 02:45 |
| |R | Pee Arrr One Point Two? what? Kick? :P | 02:45 |
| PhonicUK | lol | 02:45 |
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| PhonicUK | hmm i wish the osk wad quicker to show up | 02:45 |
| PhonicUK | lol | 02:45 |
| PhonicUK | i also wish the osk had a shift key on the left | 02:46 |
| Macer | :) | 02:46 |
| Macer | i wish nokia would figure out what the hell it wants to do.. either support maemo or get this meego crap going on something | 02:47 |
| Macer | blame Stskeeps | 02:47 |
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| PhonicUK | likewise | 02:47 |
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| Macer | maybe everybody should just take a step backwards and go back to symbian | 02:48 |
| Macer | haha | 02:48 |
| PhonicUK | i just hope they dont try to drop the n900 for some new handset anytime soon | 02:48 |
| Macer | i doubt they will | 02:48 |
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| PhonicUK | eww symbian | 02:48 |
| Macer | but then again they have 2 flagship lines | 02:48 |
| PhonicUK | i hated it on my n97 | 02:48 |
| Macer | the n9x running symbian and the n900 running maemo | 02:48 |
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| Macer | yeah. symbian is dated | 02:48 |
| Macer | it worked well enough though | 02:48 |
| PhonicUK | which is silly, should use maemo for it all | 02:49 |
| PhonicUK | symbian is a dead horse | 02:49 |
| Macer | well. nokia can see the potential but they need to figure out what they want to do | 02:49 |
| Macer | jump on the bandwagon with intel with this meego junk | 02:49 |
| Macer | or fully support their maemo | 02:49 |
| Macer | the problem with nokia is they are trying to be too much like google with android than to get the ball rolling | 02:49 |
| Macer | trying to figure out the politics and marketing rather than spend the resources in making maemo better | 02:50 |
| Macer | :) | 02:50 |
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| PhonicUK | i wanna try android on my n900 but the guy who hacked it on his has kept it all to himself akaik | 02:50 |
| PhonicUK | *afaik | 02:50 |
| Macer | blame Stskeeps ... he is the reason we don't have a portrait "desktop" on an n900 | 02:50 |
| Macer | :) | 02:50 |
| PhonicUK | lol | 02:51 |
| PhonicUK | whats the name of that app to help you neatly arrange your desktops? | 02:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | k, forget the +r suggestion. Spammer is supposed to be killed for good, says freenode-staff | 02:55 |
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| PhonicUK | has anyone tried running gcc etc directly on the n900 itself? | 02:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes | 02:56 |
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| PhonicUK | work well? | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | why should it fail? | 02:58 |
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| PhonicUK | no reason. is it optified? | 02:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol | 02:59 |
| PhonicUK | e.g. include | 02:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess you'll need chroot to create a decent environment for it | 03:00 |
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| PhonicUK | kk | 03:01 |
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| vanadismobile | skoal, DocScrutinizer | 03:02 |
| PhonicUK | sounds like a plan | 03:03 |
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| pigeon | is davidfalkayn here by any chance? | 03:04 |
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| pigeon | weird, my drnoksnes has no sound... | 03:28 |
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| pigeon | oh, that was embarrassing... my phone was in the silent profile... | 03:53 |
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| Termana | good morning | 03:58 |
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| Golua | hello | 04:17 |
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| Golua | i need some help with my apple wireless keyboard | 04:18 |
| Golua | and N810 | 04:18 |
| Golua | someone here? | 04:18 |
| haltdef | no. | 04:19 |
| Golua | there is a bug in the maemo distribution. When i delete a bluetooth profile a new profile with the same device can not recreated | 04:20 |
| Golua | can someone tell me where maemo stores the settings for bluetooth devices? | 04:21 |
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| Golua | all sleeping? | 04:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Golua: Most here are only familiar with the n900 | 04:31 |
| SpeedEvil | You've checked the wiki, and bugs I assume? | 04:31 |
| Golua | of course | 04:32 |
| Golua | from software side there is not much difference between n810 & n900. Both are running maemo. The dont change much in vesion | 04:33 |
| SpeedEvil | I know. | 04:34 |
| SpeedEvil | It's also usually quite a dead time | 04:34 |
| Golua | i need to know where the device stores all the bluetooth config. This GUI crap doesnt help. so i need to fix it under the hood with the console and vi | 04:34 |
| Golua | i searched in /etc but found nothing about bt deviced that have paired before | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | I note /etc/bluetooth on my n900 isn't empty | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd look in gconf | 04:35 |
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| Golua | there are no device related configs in /etc/bluetooth | 04:35 |
| Golua | with device i mean the device that have paired before | 04:35 |
| Golua | how do i run gconf on mameo? | 04:36 |
| Golua | it says: not found | 04:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | well - it must be there - as n810 and n900 have not much difference :) | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry - no clue | 04:43 |
| ManoftheSea | "find / -name gconf 2> /dev/null" | 04:43 |
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| Golua | i have another problem. Can someone tell me why the ssh session with the n810 device allways looses conection? sshd is running on n810 | 04:47 |
| ManoftheSea | loses. | 04:48 |
| ManoftheSea | Someone mentioned before something about network timeouts... | 04:49 |
| Golua | yes, it's rather anoying. I want have a stable ssh session. | 04:49 |
| ManoftheSea | I'm sorry, I don't remember the full details, but it had something to do with making the device not drop the connection immediately every time | 04:49 |
| Golua | i allready set the wlan connection to infinite. | 04:50 |
| Golua | and can you tell me why there is no nano and tree package in maemo extra? Those tools are so usefull. Especially "tree" for finding something or getting an overview about this gconf crap | 04:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | because someone ddiddn't add it | 04:54 |
| Golua | it's a shame that nokia doesn't install that by default | 04:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | There is so much 'it would be nice' - the only sane way to deal with it is to only install the absolute bare minimum. | 04:59 |
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| Golua | the device has plenty of ram (2 GB on the inner flash) to install the important unix tools. They should have put the system in the 2gb flash and not on this 256 MB flash | 05:01 |
| Golua | what happens when i delete all .osso directorys in the home directory? Will the device use default settings? | 05:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, pong? | 05:11 |
| Golua | what's this file for: /etc/pointercal | 05:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, we're working on the device queue issue. | 05:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: Is there any stock of partially functioning devices? | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, don't think so. | 05:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Idly wondered. | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I know Quim's been replacing loaners that have broken in various ways | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | You may poke him to see if there's a way to get those loaned out again. | 05:15 |
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| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer && SpeedEvil, found out the issue to that mass storage device problem.. seems more like user error :) the device works perfectly under xubuntu jaunty so its just an issue of getting arch to work with it. As for USB networking with sshfs it will cause fremantle to reboot when transferring excessive amounts of data | 05:22 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 05:22 |
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| Ken-Young | I have lost track of the status of the autobuilder vis a vis pr1.2. If I upload a new version of a package to the autobuilder, will it produce a binary which can only be run on tablets with pr1.2 installed? | 05:24 |
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| psycho_oreos | now all I'll need to do is to painstakingly setup my maemo to be a pmp (replacing ipod video in some ways, mainly music and what not) and to setup the playlists. Not too happy so far with maemo's weird ways of organising music but heck I'll have to put up with the challenge if needed be | 05:25 |
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| wirr | hi everybody... i'm making my first steps on the n900 and was hoping to find some hints about boot scripts. | 05:34 |
| DaGame | hi there | 05:35 |
| wirr | i have to dm-crypt partitions which i want to load at boot time and require me to enter a password | 05:35 |
| DaGame | anybody here has the final pr1.2 for n900 ? | 05:36 |
| wirr | my scripts get executed through upstart but still i never get any passwort prompt. they're probably sent to the background - that's what upstart is all about, isn't it? | 05:36 |
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| DaGame | wirr: what are you talking about? | 05:36 |
| ManoftheSea | his scripts ask for input, but that doesn't come from console. | 05:37 |
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| DaGame | looook | 05:38 |
| DaGame | gagaga | 05:38 |
| DaGame | [22:37] <DaGame> where can i find pr1.2? [22:37] <infobot> pr1.2 is probably not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask. | 05:38 |
| SpeedEvil | wirr: Normally there is no framebuffer | 05:39 |
| SpeedEvil | wirr: framebuffer console | 05:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | you need to wait till X comes up | 05:39 |
| wirr | SpeedEvil: I do run a framebuffer enabled kernel | 05:39 |
| SpeedEvil | k | 05:39 |
| DaGame | wirr: what are you trying to acheve? | 05:39 |
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| wirr | The console just doesn't seem to get interrupted by the passwort prompt... | 05:40 |
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| wirr | DaGame: Mount some encrypted partitions at boot time | 05:40 |
| DaGame | I mean what kind of program are you writing that needs to inject at so early stage of booting | 05:40 |
| DaGame | cant you just wait till the system is up? | 05:40 |
| ManoftheSea | um, is console even connected to input? | 05:40 |
| ManoftheSea | you're encrypting your boot drive? | 05:41 |
| wirr | DaGame: nope - one has to get mounted on /home | 05:41 |
| wirr | ManoftheSea: that would be my wish but so far I'm happy when I get to encrypt /home to protect calendar data and such | 05:42 |
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| DaGame | wirr: and you need the user to be able to input the password ? | 05:42 |
| wirr | DaGame: yes | 05:43 |
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| DaGame | wirr: I am no expert in that but you may need to recompile the kernel | 05:43 |
| wirr | DaGame: I already use a custom kernel which gives me a framebuffer console. The problem is that the boot process doesn't get interrupted to allow me to enter the password | 05:45 |
| DaGame | is the partition defined in /etc/fstab | 05:46 |
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| wirr | yes | 05:48 |
| DaGame | look i am really no expert, but taking a look in /etc/rc*.d may give you some ideas | 05:49 |
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| wirr | DaGame: thanks... unfortunately there seem to be no interactive scripts. so no hints on how to attach the console unfortunately. | 05:50 |
| wirr | :-( | 05:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | what happens if you do init=/bin/sh | 05:51 |
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| DaGame | what is the problem of leting the system to bood and then show nice password prompt ? | 05:51 |
| DaGame | if password is correct the partition is mounted on the the fly | 05:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | DaGame: no real problem | 05:53 |
| SpeedEvil | DaGame: but that may be more invasive | 05:54 |
| DaGame | then put a shell script in rc0.d | 05:54 |
| DaGame | correct password go ahead, wrong password shutdown | 05:54 |
| wirr | i fear that several processes already use /home in an early state - so if i wait for the system to boot i will already loose runtime info | 05:55 |
| wirr | (some first tests showed the contacts app crashing) | 05:55 |
| SpeedEvil | wirr: I assume you have tried putting something in /etc/X11/Xsession.post ? | 05:55 |
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| ManoftheSea | lose. | 05:56 |
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| wirr | SpeedEvil: nope but /home has to be mounted earlier | 05:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | I was under the impression that all the stuff up to X ran as root, and X and children as user | 05:57 |
| DaGame | hey guys... leave this stuff | 05:58 |
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| wirr | SpeedEvil: i'll give it a try | 05:58 |
| DaGame | lets talk about pr1.2 and how it will affect the global warming | 05:58 |
| kpoman | cool I am back :) | 05:59 |
| SpeedEvil | I guess /etc/init.d/rcS is where it's all kicked off | 06:00 |
| kpoman | crashanddie is gone :( | 06:00 |
| wirr | yep. I've tried to set 'console owner' which didn't really help | 06:00 |
| ManoftheSea | rcS? Isn't that the shutdown runlevel? | 06:00 |
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| DaGame | also i heard that pr1.2 will increase the population of red ants | 06:01 |
| kpoman | can someone please give me some help to start going here ? I want to compile a bunch of libs to my n810, I got the sources, those libs depend on basic stuff like libpng etc... I managed to get them working even on windows with mingw ! please some help ! | 06:01 |
| SpeedEvil | ManoftheSea: I don't think you can generalise. It mounts /proc and starts bootchart if it exists - so I assume it's quite early. | 06:02 |
| kpoman | is there a simple howto on setting up a compilation environment, wether on linux or windows, to make stuff work on N810 ? | 06:02 |
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| ManoftheSea | kpoman: I think there's a 10 GB virtual image for developing for fremantle. You could see if there's one for Diablo | 06:03 |
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| kpoman | ManoftheSea: ok, so lets start by the beginning, what is diablo ? :) | 06:04 |
| kpoman | is it a newer kernel and libs ? | 06:04 |
| SpeedEvil | inittab is good too | 06:04 |
| ManoftheSea | Maemo 4, I think. | 06:04 |
| ManoftheSea | Someone stop me if I go wrong. | 06:04 |
| kpoman | how do I check if I do have latest ? | 06:05 |
| ManoftheSea | I believe Diablo is Maemo 4, which runs on the n800 and n810 | 06:05 |
| Sho_ | diablo was the last incarnation of maemo 4, yeah (there were a bunch) | 06:05 |
| hatake_kakashi | any of you got a fremantle (n900)? I want to know if possible what was root's original pw inside /etc/passwd file | 06:06 |
| wirr | hatake: i think its rootme | 06:06 |
| DaGame | diablo is a computer game ;) | 06:06 |
| kpoman | ManoftheSea: I got a brazilian N810 some days ago ... Is there a way to check if I have latest stuff ? | 06:06 |
| kpoman | ManoftheSea: for example my kernel seems really old | 06:06 |
| DaGame | but in here is reffered as the last version of the previouse maemo release | 06:06 |
| ManoftheSea | I don't know, kpoman | 06:07 |
| kpoman | 2.6.21-omap1 | 06:07 |
| luke-jr | diablo is Spanish for 'devil' IIRC | 06:07 |
| hatake_kakashi | wirr, or preferrably the original encrypted version of the passwd, I know the length is shorter than the usual *nix type passwords | 06:07 |
| kpoman | no problem dude :) | 06:07 |
| kpoman | i dont know either | 06:07 |
| ManoftheSea | thank you luke-jr | 06:07 |
| luke-jr | kpoman: N8x0 is a dead platform | 06:07 |
| kpoman | luke-jr: well it is cheap here :) | 06:07 |
| luke-jr | kpoman: Nokia hasn't maintained it in over a year, and it's too closed for the community to do so | 06:07 |
| ManoftheSea | symbian? | 06:08 |
| wirr | hatake: if you're lucky i've just bricked my n900 so i'll have to reflash and can lookup the original string | 06:08 |
| kpoman | luke-jr: see basically I wanna port some biometric libs to that platform to make this a mobile biometric platform | 06:08 |
| luke-jr | 2.6.21 is an ancient (read: no longer supported by the Linux community) version of Linux, but latest that runs on N8x0 | 06:08 |
| DaGame | those n800s are chao as the others mentioned | 06:08 |
| luke-jr | kpoman: they're cheap because they're useless now | 06:08 |
| DaGame | i wonder if it can take some barebone debian on it | 06:08 |
| kpoman | luke-jr: not so much, this supports usb and linux | 06:08 |
| luke-jr | it doesn't support Linux | 06:09 |
| hatake_kakashi | wirr, :o how did you manage to brick it? | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | just Nokia's fork of 2.6.21 | 06:09 |
| ManoftheSea | kpoman: biometric? Like, blood samples? | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | you can't run any current Linux-based OS on it | 06:09 |
| kpoman | luke-jr: lol :p it does run | 06:09 |
| kpoman | ManoftheSea: no, fingerprint device | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | kpoman: it's a resistive touchscreen. I don't think it can read fingerprints | 06:09 |
| kpoman | ManoftheSea: i do work a lot with biometric software, like AFIS systems etc.. | 06:09 |
| DaGame | The new N900 will have retina scanner | 06:10 |
| ManoftheSea | cool. What's the reader, though? | 06:10 |
| ManoftheSea | DaGame: lolwut? Using the camera? | 06:10 |
| DaGame | wirr: you can integrate it with your encrypted partition | 06:10 |
| ManoftheSea | Those torches are plenty bright, it'd hurt my eyes | 06:10 |
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| luke-jr | the new N900 will have a flamethrower builtin too | 06:10 |
| luke-jr | pretty sweet | 06:10 |
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| kpoman | ManoftheSea: I have some fingerprint devices able to capture with libusb, I have some libs for matching, coding, etc.. that could be compiled for ARM, I have some libs written in python by myself that I want to port to mobile devices (wether android or maemo)... I think there is a whole future for them | 06:11 |
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| kpoman | ManoftheSea: the idea is to use intesively host mode for usb devices, and all the connectivity from those devices too | 06:11 |
| DaGame | the new N900 will be shipped with external fm receiver that can be surgically placed in the users brain | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | kpoman: why not just grab some $20 thing? | 06:11 |
| ManoftheSea | kpoman: don't you need the nxxx to be a usb host? | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | ManoftheSea: N8x0 has USB host | 06:12 |
| kpoman | luke-jr: 20$ thing ?? | 06:12 |
| ManoftheSea | oh. | 06:12 |
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| kpoman | ManoftheSea: n810 support host mode | 06:12 |
| luke-jr | kpoman: yeah, like NSLU2 or such | 06:12 |
| ManoftheSea | so why doesn't n900? | 06:12 |
| kpoman | thats why i bought it | 06:12 |
| luke-jr | ManoftheSea: Nokia screwed up again | 06:12 |
| ManoftheSea | eh, they seem to get some things right. | 06:12 |
| luke-jr | like what? | 06:12 |
| kpoman | ManoftheSea: because it is too expensive for me in brazil (120% of taxes) | 06:12 |
| luke-jr | N810 was the worst handheld I've owned | 06:12 |
| wirr | hatake_kakashi: not yet bricked - could happen anytime - heavily messing up the upstart scripts ;-) | 06:12 |
| ManoftheSea | Using debian, instead of a fractured "open" OS *coughAndroidcough* | 06:12 |
| luke-jr | kpoman: he means USB host; N900 doesn't support it | 06:12 |
| kpoman | luke-jr: maybe however lsusb gives some devices :) | 06:13 |
| DaGame | n900 is just the next project... we are still far from complete product | 06:13 |
| Macer | -/+ buffers/cache: 1015136 1061316 | 06:13 |
| luke-jr | ManoftheSea: Maemo is more closed than Android | 06:13 |
| kpoman | if someone could help me set up a dev environment so I am able to compile my libs and just copy them to my device I would be inmensely grateful | 06:13 |
| luke-jr | kpoman: just install Gentoo and build natively | 06:14 |
| luke-jr | :D | 06:14 |
| ManoftheSea | kpoman: sorry dude, can't help you. | 06:14 |
| hatake_kakashi | wirr, ahh ok, I was getting a little worried when you said about bricking it.. I know there would be lots of potential places to possibly brick the device.. and it'll be very disturbing to have it bricked within 3 days of original device purchase date | 06:14 |
| kpoman | luke-jr: I love gentoo :) but how can I use a gentoo box to compile stuff for n810 ? | 06:14 |
| ManoftheSea | luke-jr: I was looking at some system block diagram something or other... And it seemed like the closed parts were basically the cellular parts. | 06:14 |
| luke-jr | kpoman: no, no. install Gentoo *on* the N810 | 06:14 |
| kpoman | luke-jr: or even a windows box (cygwin) or whatever | 06:14 |
| Macer | kpoman: DON'T DO IT! | 06:14 |
| ManoftheSea | Which I can understand being closed, because FCC. | 06:14 |
| Macer | haha | 06:14 |
| luke-jr | http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0 | 06:15 |
| kpoman | hehe | 06:15 |
| Macer | use easydeb and install the dev env | 06:15 |
| Macer | :) | 06:15 |
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| kpoman | see my notebook doesnt even have a card reader | 06:15 |
| DaGame | kpoman: n810 runs maemo, you should be able to obtain the source code and compile it | 06:15 |
| kpoman | and I want to advance tonight :) | 06:15 |
| luke-jr | kpoman: mine either; so? | 06:15 |
| luke-jr | DaGame: Maemo isn't open source | 06:15 |
| kpoman | DaGame: ok, so basically to start going, I need to download maemo sources for n810 ? | 06:15 |
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| Macer | n810 is abandoned and obsolete | 06:15 |
| Macer | sigh | 06:15 |
| luke-jr | kpoman: install Gentoo from Maemo, then just boot it :P | 06:15 |
| DaGame | luke-jr: home come... then why all that buzz around it | 06:16 |
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| luke-jr | DaGame: Nokia is good (or bad, if you don't like false advertising) at marketting | 06:16 |
| ManoftheSea | There are closed components of Maemo. There are also open components | 06:16 |
| kpoman | luke-jr: lol I dont even know how to boot this :) and also, do I have space for portage on my flash memory ? ;) | 06:16 |
| luke-jr | ManoftheSea: that argument goes for OS X | 06:16 |
| ManoftheSea | Nokia doesn't even know if they OUGHT to advert the n900. | 06:16 |
| luke-jr | kpoman: no, it requires a MiniSD card | 06:16 |
| DaGame | Yes i know that there are proprietary drivers and modules as the ones for the gsm for example | 06:16 |
| ManoftheSea | Everyone who knows why they want one already knows about it. | 06:16 |
| DaGame | but the os should be downloadable | 06:17 |
| luke-jr | ManoftheSea: marketting is more than paid advertisements | 06:17 |
| ManoftheSea | And everyone who doesn't know what it is, doesn't want it. | 06:17 |
| kpoman | luke-jr: ok, so basically is there a bios on my device to select where to boot from ? | 06:17 |
| wirr | hatake: i have mine for about 30hrs and bricked it 3 times already... no risk no fun. it's easy to reflash with the flasher utility | 06:17 |
| luke-jr | kpoman: no, you need to install bootmenu too | 06:17 |
| luke-jr | kpoman: it's after the kernel loads, but before the rootfs is mounted | 06:17 |
| Macer | i think it's time i make a real box for virtualboxing | 06:17 |
| Macer | :) | 06:17 |
| kpoman | luke-jr: bootmenu is a port of lilo grub ? | 06:17 |
| luke-jr | kpoman: see that link | 06:17 |
| luke-jr | http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0 | 06:17 |
| luke-jr | no, LILO and GRUB are x86 only | 06:17 |
| hatake_kakashi | wirr, speaking of which I'll need to look for that as well lol | 06:17 |
| Macer | i guess i can build a phenom for like $100 | 06:17 |
| Macer | heh | 06:17 |
| Macer | phenom's have vt support right? | 06:18 |
| luke-jr | Macer: could always use kqemu | 06:18 |
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| Macer | heh. no thanks. i am running vboxes on a dual amd 265 | 06:18 |
| Macer | and it runs like crap :) even if it uses opensolaris/zfs | 06:19 |
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| luke-jr | I'm happy with my Athlon64 3200+ (single core) | 06:19 |
| Macer | heh | 06:19 |
| luke-jr | not so happy with the mobo it needs, but oh well | 06:19 |
| Macer | luke-jr: well. i'm running like 6 vboxes on it.. one of which runs zimbra which is a resource whore | 06:19 |
| luke-jr | not going to replace it just for a new mobo | 06:19 |
| luke-jr | ... | 06:19 |
| luke-jr | I was going to use Zimbra until I tried it | 06:20 |
| Macer | heh | 06:20 |
| luke-jr | that crazy crap wants like GBs of RAM | 06:20 |
| luke-jr | IIRC | 06:20 |
| Macer | you noticed all the little things? | 06:20 |
| Macer | yeah. my vbox uses 2 | 06:20 |
| luke-jr | I noticed the out of memory messages | 06:20 |
| luke-jr | :p | 06:20 |
| Macer | which isn't TOO bad for it | 06:20 |
| luke-jr | I had it capped at like 128 MB | 06:20 |
| Macer | i was going to bump it up to 4 | 06:20 |
| Macer | 128MB? haha | 06:20 |
| luke-jr | my PC only has 2 GB RAM | 06:20 |
| Macer | wtf is it 1989? | 06:20 |
| Macer | :) | 06:20 |
| luke-jr | my VPS server is always tight on RAM too :p | 06:21 |
| luke-jr | I think it has 8 GB | 06:21 |
| -DaGame- anyone? | 06:21 | |
| Macer | my server has 8GB ecc | 06:21 |
| * luke-jr smacks DaGame | 06:21 | |
| Macer | it's not too bad of a box for being older | 06:21 |
| luke-jr | I want to get one of those 100-core systems :p | 06:22 |
| luke-jr | put it in a DC and rent out RPS on it | 06:22 |
| Macer | haha | 06:22 |
| luke-jr | hmm, my IRC bot uses the most RAM on my VPS server | 06:22 |
| luke-jr | 5.1% of 8 GB | 06:23 |
| luke-jr | 420 MB, wtf | 06:23 |
| luke-jr | resource hog | 06:23 |
| luke-jr | I need a new bot | 06:23 |
| Macer | i'll be happy with a quad core phenom with vt support | 06:23 |
| Macer | i'm still iffy about the tri-core heh | 06:23 |
| DaGame | luke-jr: what is your bot doing? | 06:23 |
| kpoman | sorry | 06:23 |
| luke-jr | why not get one of those 16 cores? :p | 06:23 |
| luke-jr | DaGame: it manages a few channels | 06:24 |
| DaGame | eggdrop? | 06:24 |
| luke-jr | no | 06:24 |
| luke-jr | supybot | 06:24 |
| Macer | you can do the "well.. all cpus are broken" thing but i don't care.. amd had a crap product with crappy engineering and mistakes in production that wound up breaking a huge amount of inventory | 06:24 |
| luke-jr | Macer: no | 06:24 |
| Macer | heh | 06:24 |
| DaGame | i havent used irc in more than 5 years | 06:24 |
| luke-jr | Macer: there are *always* manuf defects. that's why there's different speeds | 06:24 |
| DaGame | in my time the eggdrop was THE bot | 06:24 |
| luke-jr | Macer: they make a ton then test the max speed they can handle | 06:24 |
| DaGame | and those tcl you have to write for it | 06:24 |
| Macer | luke-jr: broken cores? | 06:25 |
| Macer | :) | 06:25 |
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| Macer | i don't buy it | 06:25 |
| luke-jr | Macer: it's part of normal production | 06:25 |
| kpoman | how do one compile or port a lib or whatever to maemo n810 ? | 06:25 |
| luke-jr | Intel has it too | 06:25 |
| Macer | i still don't buy it | 06:25 |
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| Macer | haha | 06:25 |
| Macer | i'll give you the speed testing | 06:25 |
| luke-jr | Macer: with multi-core CPUs, sometimes it's better to disable 1 of 4 cores rather than clock them all lower | 06:25 |
| luke-jr | if 3 rate significantly faster | 06:25 |
| Macer | i still don't buy it ;) | 06:25 |
| Macer | i think they had an engineering defect | 06:25 |
| DaGame | kpoman: maybe you need to install some compiler first... something like gcc | 06:26 |
| luke-jr | Macer: just the normal 'defects' | 06:26 |
| Macer | a major one | 06:26 |
| Macer | heh | 06:26 |
| luke-jr | Macer: 3 cores can handle 2.5 GHz, the other can only push 1.5 GHz | 06:26 |
| kpoman | DaGame: I do have one on a gentoo box , do I need to download an environment to chroot into ? | 06:26 |
| luke-jr | should they rate it as 1.5 GHz, or drop the slower one and sell it as tri-core 2.5 GHz? | 06:26 |
| kpoman | DaGame: how does dependencies work on this ? | 06:26 |
| DaGame | kpoman: have no idea man... just talking general stuff. sorry | 06:27 |
| luke-jr | 6 (quad-core) vs 7.5 (tri-core) overall | 06:27 |
| Macer | luke-jr: they should recycle them into raw materials and remake them | 06:27 |
| Macer | :) | 06:27 |
| luke-jr | Macer: nobody does that | 06:27 |
| kpoman | do someone know how to compile extra libs for a n810 ? | 06:27 |
| luke-jr | Macer: it would make them insanely expensive | 06:27 |
| luke-jr | well, for a CPU | 06:28 |
| luke-jr | which IIRC tend to cost under a buck normally | 06:28 |
| luke-jr | :p | 06:28 |
| luke-jr | but still, it's better business to just sell them for what they *can* handle than to remake 75% of them | 06:28 |
| Macer | luke-jr: when did amd come out with tri core cpus? | 06:28 |
| luke-jr | shrug | 06:28 |
| luke-jr | when they realized underclocking all 4 cores because of 1 was dumb? | 06:29 |
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| DaGame | man my new pc has i7... this freaking thing is super fast | 06:29 |
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| * luke-jr really probably should build a new PC one of these days... | 06:30 | |
| luke-jr | in the past 5 years, I've focussed on handhelds and servers XD | 06:30 |
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| luke-jr | but I need more memory, and some of these newer SATA HDs don't like my early-adopter-SATA mobo | 06:30 |
| Macer | http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=AMD | 06:31 |
| Macer | you can see when amd announced the reason behind the tri-cores towards the end of 2007 :) | 06:31 |
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| * DaGame is bored | 06:32 | |
| Macer | you can see the two dips towards the end of 2007 and when the tri-core was actually released.. then the big economic collapse happens later in the hear :) poor amd | 06:32 |
| Macer | at one point they were killing intel | 06:32 |
| DaGame | and in the rest of the points, intel was killing them ;) | 06:33 |
| Macer | yeah heh | 06:33 |
| luke-jr | Macer: that was a defect, but not related to tri-core IIRC | 06:33 |
| luke-jr | it required a software workaround | 06:33 |
| Macer | luke-jr: :) just back to back huh? | 06:34 |
| luke-jr | DaGame: Intel got lazy and just wanted to make money; AMD released processors that won out by far, then Intel got serious :x | 06:34 |
| Macer | i think amd just got big-headed and slacked off once they got on top | 06:35 |
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| DaGame | luke-jr: dont take me wrong... I was a big amd fan... changed many pcs over the time... but at the end finally understand that intel is intel and thats all about it... at least for me | 06:35 |
| Macer | put in resources into crappily engineered cpus and lost out when intel came out after awesome QC and totally murdered them after their defective phenoms | 06:35 |
| ManoftheSea | Intel was like... man, they're doing good work. | 06:36 |
| ManoftheSea | YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! SSJ-Intel | 06:36 |
| Macer | then all intel had to do is simply say "ours work" | 06:36 |
| Macer | haha | 06:36 |
| TheRealHotshot | lol | 06:36 |
| ManoftheSea | floating point bug | 06:37 |
| DaGame | I am not getting impressed easly by a cpu... but my new i7 is really impressive work i think | 06:37 |
| Macer | i7s are beasts | 06:37 |
| Macer | but they cost more than the $20 phenom | 06:37 |
| Macer | that runs "almost as fast as" | 06:37 |
| luke-jr | they do? ;) | 06:37 |
| luke-jr | I can get an i7 dedi for like $60/mo | 06:37 |
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| Macer | that's a $40 difference ;) | 06:38 |
| Macer | in this dog eat dog world we go by percentage | 06:38 |
| luke-jr | $20 included the mobo, disk, RAM, and connection? :p | 06:38 |
| Macer | HAHA | 06:38 |
| Macer | probably! | 06:38 |
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| DaGame | i7 Q820... insaine | 06:38 |
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| DaGame | I can only image what the desktop versions of i7 can do | 06:39 |
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| Macer | heh | 06:41 |
| * DaGame is going to watch a movie... lets what "the loosers" can do ;) | 06:41 | |
| ManoftheSea | losers | 06:41 |
| Macer | well. let me check out pricing on this stuff.. i need a good vbox | 06:41 |
| Macer | ManoftheSea: he's watching a porn ;) | 06:41 |
| ManoftheSea | oh. | 06:41 |
| ManoftheSea | well, then... yeah, looser as opposed to tight. | 06:42 |
| DaGame | sick people you are | 06:42 |
| * DaGame is watching The.Losers.DVDSCR.XViD-IMAGiNE | 06:42 | |
| ManoftheSea | Then spell it right. | 06:42 |
| ManoftheSea | lose = op. of win. To misplace. | 06:43 |
| luke-jr | DaGame: Macer's especially sick | 06:43 |
| DaGame | my bad sorry and take care | 06:43 |
| DaGame | see you later | 06:43 |
| ManoftheSea | loose = not tight. or sometimes "release" | 06:43 |
| ManoftheSea | it's a pet peeve. | 06:43 |
| ManoftheSea | I personally mis-spell words that end in either -ent or -ant | 06:43 |
| ManoftheSea | like... pleasant | 06:44 |
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| Macer | :) | 06:51 |
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| tank-man | 6 cores ftw :) | 06:53 |
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| tank-man | amd cores that is | 06:57 |
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| rex1 | Hi everybody i have a question how i can configure pptp vpn in maemo diablo | 08:04 |
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| Macer | rex1: if you find out let me know ;) i'd love to use pptp on my n900 | 08:07 |
| Macer | in maemo5. i honestly haven't researched it | 08:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | rex1: i have a vpnc thing installed | 08:08 |
| timeless_mbp | it works for me | 08:08 |
| timeless_mbp | is your thing special? | 08:08 |
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| slonopotamus | X-Fade, maaan | 08:15 |
| RST38h | <yawn> | 08:15 |
| slonopotamus | X-Fade, fix your autocleaner! | 08:16 |
| slonopotamus | it strikes again | 08:16 |
| slonopotamus | and removes everything i upload | 08:17 |
| slonopotamus | and wtf is with http://maemo.org/packages/view/sflphone-common/ ? | 08:20 |
| slonopotamus | 1. it shows maemo9 in changes, but maemo9 _failed_ to build | 08:20 |
| slonopotamus | 2. 'latest version' doesn't have '-maemo8' part at all | 08:21 |
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| slonopotamus | 3. changes on http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/sflphone-common/0.9.7~ppa1~jaunty/ are totally screwed up | 08:22 |
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| rex1 | Timeless_mbp: yes i had this one installed but i cant configure pptp only ipsec | 08:30 |
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| satmd | pptp is different from vpnc/openvpn/ipsec | 08:34 |
| satmd | you'd need ppp support and pptpclient | 08:34 |
| satmd | and maybe an ui | 08:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=236710 | 08:41 |
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| DaGame | hey yo | 09:05 |
| DaGame | all gone? | 09:05 |
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| Lynoure | DaGame: certainly not all. | 09:16 |
| DaGame | Lynoure: hey buddy... whats going on? | 09:16 |
| Lynoure | Ironically, I'm today too busy coding (and not even for maemo, darn) to participate much after I'm done with my breakfast | 09:17 |
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| DaGame | Lynoure: what are you coding? | 09:18 |
| Lynoure | Once I'm done with that, I'll have one day off from all coding, then start prepping my own app for release. | 09:18 |
| DaGame | what is your app about? | 09:18 |
| Lynoure | DaGame: it's a test, a part of a job interview. My own app is a todo app with GTD focus, in Qt. | 09:19 |
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| DaGame | Lynoure: good luck with all | 09:19 |
| Lynoure | DaGame: thank you. I have a cold, so luck is much needed. | 09:20 |
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| Lynoure | But now, gotta go. | 09:23 |
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| slonopotamus | bug 10180 | 10:17 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10180 Some changes on autobuilder caused config.guess to determine chost wrong | 10:17 |
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| slonopotamus | X-Fade, ^ | 10:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~ping | 10:30 |
| infobot | ~pong | 10:30 |
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| rdvonz | So I'm looking to buy the nokia n900, I found it her for 230.00 dollars and free shipping! Does this seem like a good site though? http://bit.ly/d7TVf1\ | 10:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 10:31 |
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| lucent | Pointed question, I have -devel catalog enabled and some apps are not installable because of a dependency on Qt4.6 from git repo... does anyone else notice this? (A) and have a comment about whether that is ultimately installable? (B) | 10:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | these are apps built against PR1.2 | 10:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | usually dependency is qt4.6.2, no? | 10:37 |
| lucent | aye it is | 10:37 |
| lucent | I am an overly-curious user here | 10:37 |
| jaska | hmm, i need to go dig the pr1.1.1 -equivalent of the sdk somewhere :| | 10:37 |
| jaska | seems like the nokia sdk page tries to push pr1.2 -versioned sdk on you | 10:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | see lucent above | 10:38 |
| lucent | okay, have read and understood topic | 10:38 |
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| lucent | it's not a showstopper, I'm just looking to confirm what I've seen. Thank you ^_^ | 10:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lucent: check http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=610524&postcount=145, it sometimes helps, also for other apps | 10:42 |
| * lucent clicks through | 10:44 | |
| lucent | I suppose PR1.2 will bring with it a lot of new apps that have no earlier release | 10:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't think so | 10:46 |
| MohammadAG | it will also bring Qt 4.7 (to -devel), causing deja vu | 10:46 |
| lucent | oh? I am intrigued by the music synthesis apps that depend on Qt 4.6.2 git | 10:46 |
| lucent | i.e. built against PR1.2 sdk | 10:46 |
| MohammadAG | they can be built against the 4.6.2 that can be installed | 10:47 |
| MohammadAG | more of a dev's problem rather than an sdk one | 10:47 |
| lucent | true. | 10:47 |
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| sobczyk | hi, is netcat packaged for n900/maemo5? | 10:48 |
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| lucent | "...bring with it a lot of apps that lucent is too lazy to recompile..." | 10:48 |
| d14 | :) | 10:48 |
| sobczyk | there is only socat, and I'm trying to stream /dev/video0 to my laptop | 10:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | slightly offtopic, but if someone with kernel-oops might have a look on it and tell me what you think: http://paste.debian.net/73475/ | 10:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ethernet card borked | 10:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | sobczyk: socat can do all what netcat can | 10:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's just hard to figure the right syntax | 10:57 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:58 |
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| Ken-Young | Good morning! | 11:01 |
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| hatake_kakashi | if I were for example to setup MyDocs partition into ext3 (as opposed to fat32) and edit the fstab file would things still work with fremantle (n900)? | 11:04 |
| pupnik | we could use an addition to the "Connected to USB Device" dialog. One that does the IFup for USB Networking | 11:05 |
| MohammadAG | edit the PC suite one :) | 11:06 |
| hatake_kakashi | yes there's guides for those | 11:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | scratch my offtopic request from above | 11:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~dropkick pupnick | 11:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moo :-) | 11:34 |
| pupnik | haha that's a great one | 11:35 |
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| Termana | That abill_uk guy on the forums. What a fuckin riot. You think hes that stupid or just acting? | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | i vote for baseball bats | 11:46 |
| pupnik | what is funny | 11:47 |
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| Termana | pupnik, besides the fact that he and others are setting the bar for stupid? | 11:49 |
| pupnik | yeah but i want to read the funny post | 11:49 |
| Termana | Oh right - this is his latest one, in which hes complaining about people installing experimental software and it in some way making OTHER peoples n900 not work | 11:51 |
| Termana | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=25452 | 11:51 |
| Termana | err | 11:51 |
| Termana | wrong link | 11:51 |
| Termana | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52788 | 11:51 |
| pupnik | ty | 11:51 |
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| Termana | I especially like the fact that he "thanked" someone who rebutted him | 11:52 |
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| Jaffa | Termana: But isn't he a "very experienced software developer"? | 11:57 |
| MohammadAG | Termana, I think he's an idiot :P | 11:57 |
| acke | hey, you guys knows how ruby uses hildon ? i get a "no such file to load -- hildon" whenever i try to run a ruby application? | 11:57 |
| MohammadAG | though tbh if I was a mod I'd close the thread, -devel has enough warnings | 11:57 |
| Termana | Jaffa, MohammadAG: lol | 11:58 |
| Termana | Surely he doesn't think everyone is taking him seriously?! | 12:00 |
| hatake_kakashi | just read that post (no I'm not registered forum user yet) and he sounds like he's one of those people similar to the ex/current Novell CEO.. wanting to put a leash on linux | 12:01 |
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| RST38h | Anyone else with a Canon G-series camera here? | 12:02 |
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| pupnik | RST38h: www.dpreview.com | 12:05 |
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| hatake_kakashi | Termana, lol reading that whole thread and seeing how he responded.. you should suggest to him that he should create his own version of maemo with all the restrictions and what not on it, see who will like the idea of his | 12:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | It would - IMO - be sane - to have HAM post a warning on anything that touches /etc - for example | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | meh, just introduce maemo6 security framework | 12:10 |
| hatake_kakashi | and lets all go back to symbian ways? ;) | 12:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eeew | 12:11 |
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| Jaffa | SpeedEvil: It doesn't help with postinst scripts which muck things up | 12:17 |
| Jaffa | SpeedEvil: As Stskeeps says: Aegis & btrfs are the technical measures, probably. | 12:17 |
| SpeedEvil | I was meaning ideally, not technically | 12:19 |
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| MohammadAG | different warning for apps from -testing and -devel? | 12:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Again, that woulnd't be insane. | 12:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Plus a package manager that let you easily say 'show apps from extras-devel' | 12:23 |
| MohammadAG | I'd get rid of HAM all together | 12:23 |
| SpeedEvil | rather than disabling all other repos | 12:23 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: ...and replace with? | 12:25 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, we have apt :) | 12:26 |
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| cityLights | hi all, how can I make remove a file during shutdown? | 12:27 |
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| furunk3l | yes hello there | 12:31 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, or the application manager from Mer, not sure if it's a modified HAM or a modified Synaptics (prolly the latter) | 12:31 |
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| cityLights | I am using a script triggered by dbus-scripts to chage the openvpn connection | 12:32 |
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| cityLights | in that script I create a file to mark when the device in connected. I want to remove that file, during shutdown | 12:33 |
| cityLights | how? | 12:33 |
| Terje_ | cityLights, create it in /tmp? | 12:34 |
| cityLights | good idea | 12:34 |
| cityLights | thanks | 12:34 |
| cityLights | second issue is more of a network isse | 12:34 |
| cityLights | issue | 12:34 |
| cityLights | assuming I am connecting with openvpn using layer 2, so I need to run udhcpc after that to get an IP address | 12:35 |
| cityLights | works fine | 12:35 |
| cityLights | but I seek to keep the connection even when switching access points and when using 3G | 12:36 |
| pupnik | hah amazon has a downloader for debian amazonmp3.deb | 12:36 |
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| cityLights | in that case should I run udhpc with the --now option - so it will quit after getting a response ? | 12:37 |
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| cityLights | or should I leave udhcpc active and keep seeking dhcp traffic while the openvpn changes? | 12:38 |
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| dotblank | anyone in here know Qt and can help me with a project im on.. I can't seem to get QNetworkRequests to work with phonon | 12:39 |
| dotblank | I think its a bug with the n900 | 12:40 |
| dotblank | because the desktop target has no issues | 12:40 |
| wirr | hi all... still struggling to get upstart boot scripts to attach to the framebuffer console... there has to be a way to do this! any hints? | 12:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | how does the keyboard normally attach - maybe it's only supported under X? | 12:43 |
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| pupnik | Aight, looking at this NITdroid project. It is nice and all... but it is not android apps running on N900. What has google done there. Won't that android stuff run on a regular linux kernel (like maemo) | 12:45 |
| wirr | SpeedEvil: I would like to find out... where could i find some info? do you have any example x startup scripts using keyboard input? | 12:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | wirr: Well - read the X configs and startup scripts. | 12:48 |
| wirr | SpeedEvil: unfortunately they're all non-interactive and i'm no coder :-( | 12:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | Nokia-N900-02-8:/etc# grep -ri keyboard .|more | 12:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I think that keyboard.sh is the vkbd though | 12:51 |
| wirr | no sure either. but i think it's not so much of an issue of the hardware not getting initialized than the possibility to attach & control a tty during boot | 12:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's possible there is no kernel driver. | 12:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | Or rahter - no console driver | 12:56 |
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| wirr | right - have to check this | 12:57 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd approach this by setting up another user - say 'auth'. | 12:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Then early in boot, try to start X with some trivial app | 12:58 |
| SpeedEvil | if this works - replace the trivial app with something that takes a passphrase | 12:58 |
| SpeedEvil | then kill X, and resume normal boot | 12:58 |
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| wirr | SpeedEvil: sounds worth a try | 13:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | This is also reusable for other approaches that might like input early in boot | 13:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | for example checkpoint type apps | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | xdm ftw | 13:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also - obviously - fbcon won't work so well in bright sunlight | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | btw what is the pin dialog using? X? | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | matchbox1 | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | and X | 13:05 |
| wirr | probably this explains a lot: console=ttyMTD | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | seems this is quite early in boot | 13:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Dod we ever work out what RX71 is? | 13:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - heat! | 13:06 |
| SpeedEvil | neat | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | rumor has it it's N8 | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I doubt it though | 13:06 |
| wirr | ok gotta run - i'll report back | 13:06 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 13:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | why is my mtd2 empty | 13:07 |
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| Stskeeps | ttymtd? | 13:07 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | ah, mtdoops | 13:08 |
| SpeedEvil | It puts the tty output on mtd | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ttyMTD sounds weird | 13:08 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm - maybe it's oops only | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mtdoops sounds familiar | 13:08 |
| SpeedEvil | tjat might explain it eing blank | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | loglevel? | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | std kernel shouldn't repaort anything to console on loglevel<5 afaik | 13:11 |
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| RST38h | Doc: So, N8 was supposd to have Maemo on it? | 13:15 |
| RST38h | But then the Symbian cabbal took over? | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no idea | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | as mentioned I have doubts | 13:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ttyl | 13:16 |
| cityLights | is anyone here familier with installing the SDK on a gentoo machine? | 13:17 |
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| MohammadAG | ~MaemoSDK | 13:20 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 13:20 |
| cityLights | thanks | 13:20 |
| MohammadAG | should have all the details covered, afaik Gentoo is similar to openSUSE | 13:20 |
| MohammadAG | not sure though | 13:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what?? | 13:21 |
| MohammadAG | Package manager Portage guess not | 13:21 |
| * DocScrutinizer stares at his openSuse, mumbling "friggin gentoo" | 13:22 | |
| DocScrutinizer | rankly speaking I always thought trying to nstall the maemo SDK on any non apt based system is a mere PITA or completely in vain | 13:23 |
| RST38h | Anyone ever had troubles with Microsoft Imaging Driver under XP? | 13:23 |
| RST38h | As in "lets you browse or delete images, does not let you copy or move any of them out"? | 13:24 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it seems fairly simple on openSUSE | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 13:26 |
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| MohammadAG | http://en.opensuse.org/Maemo5 | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | starts with missing scratchbox iirc | 13:26 |
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| MohammadAG | the script should handle that | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks :-) | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG | ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.100 port 22: Connection refused <-- grr | 13:30 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, np :) | 13:30 |
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| dotblank | SUCCESS!!! | 13:37 |
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| Stskeeps | mm? | 13:38 |
| dotblank | I have a working grooveshark client | 13:38 |
| dotblank | native client | 13:38 |
| dotblank | not flash | 13:38 |
| SpeedEvil | woo! | 13:39 |
| SpeedEvil | What's grooveshark? | 13:39 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm guessing an automated rail launcher for sharks. | 13:39 |
| dotblank | http://listen.grooveshark.com | 13:39 |
| dotblank | no its a online media store.. | 13:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Does it anger them by some means first? | 13:39 |
| dotblank | except its free | 13:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 13:39 |
| dotblank | and lets you play any song for free | 13:39 |
| lbt | http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2010/05/obs-and-fremantle-huge-success-and-help.html | 13:39 |
| lbt | on http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ FYI :) | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | dotblank: hm, that looks like a nice thing for my joggler | 13:41 |
| dotblank | Now that I got this client to work.. I'll release the source soon | 13:41 |
| dotblank | just need to refine it a little tho | 13:41 |
| zlimvos | any default cli ftp client on our n900s? 'ftp' or 'ncftp' doesnt work :( | 13:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | sftp is | 13:43 |
| MohammadAG | isn't sysfs remounted/generated at each boot? | 13:44 |
| MohammadAG | http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/2057/30a3224467f142d2832b4954d57c2ca1.jpg <-- how did he lose his engine3_mode file | 13:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | Checked down the back of the sofa? | 13:45 |
| SpeedEvil | that's as root? | 13:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd look to see if the dir is there | 13:46 |
| SpeedEvil | if the module isn't loaded for some reason... | 13:46 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Mer just uses HAM | 13:47 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: With some various basic tweaks which were all (apart from the legalese switch) included in Fremantle. | 13:47 |
| zlimvos | speedevil sftp wont run for me either, maybe i need to install it from the repos | 13:47 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil | sftp is from openssh | 13:48 |
| zlimvos | so i install openssh | 13:48 |
| aquatix | always a good idea | 13:49 |
| MohammadAG | openssh-client | 13:49 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, he can't start mce | 13:49 |
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| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=660633 | 13:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: IF the module is not loaded, or does not detect the chip and unloads - the nodes will not appear | 13:50 |
| SpeedEvil | reflash. | 13:50 |
| SpeedEvil | (or check dmesg) | 13:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | If still broken, then the chip is screwed. | 13:51 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, I asked him to check his mce.ini file | 13:51 |
| MohammadAG | maybe he unloaded the module himself? | 13:51 |
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| lucent | When I try to call a "GSM command" phone number on N900, it refuses to dial | 13:56 |
| lucent | is that normal? | 13:56 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 13:57 |
| MohammadAG | till PR1.2 | 13:57 |
| dotblank | lucent, it is a known bug | 13:57 |
| MohammadAG | a fixed one at that | 13:57 |
| dotblank | there is a widget that will fix it | 13:57 |
| dotblank | well | 13:57 |
| dotblank | sorta | 13:57 |
| MohammadAG | ussd-widget | 13:57 |
| lucent | I'm hearing helpful but conflicting information ? | 13:58 |
| MohammadAG | not really, PR1.2 will fix it, ussd-widget is a temp fix | 13:58 |
| lucent | oh okay I will try the widget as.. a workaround? ^_^ | 13:58 |
| lucent | I don't use these codes often, when I called my cellular carrier's service department for help, there was a bit of confusion while I fumbled trying to poke commands | 13:59 |
| zlimvos | the problems i have with lircd are insane. everything is there still lircd.log complains | 13:59 |
| lucent | zlimvos: I've played with lircd before | 14:00 |
| lucent | it works on N900, I had to use the lirc ordinary packages and NOT the Qt lirc | 14:00 |
| lucent | elsewise the conf is no good | 14:00 |
| zlimvos | aah ok | 14:00 |
| zlimvos | thought the customized would be better | 14:00 |
| PhonicUK | morning all | 14:01 |
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| PhonicUK | lol i left my n900 on overnight | 14:01 |
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| zlimvos | no timeouts :) | 14:01 |
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| PhonicUK | amazed the battery lasted | 14:01 |
| dotblank | mine hasn't been off in days | 14:01 |
| frals | err | 14:01 |
| frals | you turn your n900 off during the night? | 14:01 |
| PhonicUK | i didn't put it on charge | 14:02 |
| lucent | "amazed the battery lasted" you must be running with wifi disabled? | 14:02 |
| PhonicUK | nope its enabled | 14:02 |
| PhonicUK | i was in here all night | 14:02 |
| PhonicUK | 15 straight hours of wifi on the battery | 14:03 |
| MohammadAG | you slept 15 hours?\ | 14:03 |
| PhonicUK | and its still a third full | 14:03 |
| PhonicUK | no, i was on irc for a few hours before sleeping | 14:03 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 14:03 |
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| PhonicUK | i slept for about 11/12 | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | dotblank: what is it made in? | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | (the client) | 14:04 |
| lucent | okay more than 3-4 hours with wifi running is sheer amazing | 14:04 |
| joga | lol, I suddenly got a portrait desktop | 14:05 |
| MohammadAG | Battery still half full from 9 AM | 14:05 |
| lucent | joga: portrait bug? braek ? | 14:05 |
| MohammadAG | (2 PM now :) ) | 14:05 |
| MohammadAG | heh, braek, found that method from the SDK and posted it, then someone ripped it off on tmo | 14:06 |
| joga | lucent: a bug yeah, I think I turned the phone at the right time or something :) | 14:06 |
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| joga | ok now I answered one call and it got fixed ;) | 14:06 |
| slonopotamus | joga, fixable by locking and unlocking with powerbtn + slider | 14:07 |
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| frals | lucent: may i suggest using "power saving mode" on wifi, it will do wonders to your battery time :p | 14:07 |
| * slonopotamus gets that bug from time to time | 14:07 | |
| lucent | frals: aye, what is that specifically? A system setting? | 14:07 |
| Arkenoi | what does "sms notification for locked screen" do? exactly where does it appear? i installed it and it seems to do nothing | 14:07 |
| frals | internet connections -> advanced -> wlan connection and then advanced and you can set it | 14:08 |
| frals | it defaults to on afaik | 14:08 |
| RST38h | send yourself an sms | 14:08 |
| RST38h | while locked of course | 14:08 |
| lucent | frals: I appreciate the help, although I can't follow the path to find that configuration | 14:09 |
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| lucent | what is on my screen does not match the description you've provided | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | you need to go all the way to the end of the connection settings | 14:11 |
| lucent | oh okay, so it's per-connection then? | 14:11 |
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| lucent | deep in one of my WLAN connection profile settings, under advanced, I do see an "Other" tab with settings for tx power and power saving | 14:12 |
| lucent | 100mW / On (maximum) as it is | 14:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | however | 14:13 |
| lucent | frals: do you suggest 100mW? or 10mW? | 14:13 |
| SpeedEvil | it only really works if you have a compliant router | 14:13 |
| SpeedEvil | lucent: it's largely irrelevant | 14:13 |
| lucent | oh -_- | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | lucent: Unless you're doing large file transfers from the device | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | lucent: tx power that is | 14:14 |
| RST38h | wazzzd | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | wlan - fully powersaved - with 100mW enabled even - uses around .1%/hour of battery | 14:14 |
| RST38h | when inactive, I guess? | 14:15 |
| lucent | 10 hours meaning 10 percent? | 14:15 |
| lucent | the math says 10 hours meaning 1 percent, but that sounds unlikely it is so low | 14:15 |
| Shapeshifter | 1% | 14:16 |
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| Shapeshifter | if you don't do anything | 14:16 |
| lucent | wifi enabled causes a noticeable hit to runtime for me | 14:16 |
| Shapeshifter | maybe you have a silly router. tried others? | 14:16 |
| lucent | I'm only ever connected by 2.5G cellular for data though | 14:16 |
| lucent | so whatever wifi does, it perceiveably eats power and I'm not using it for anything | 14:17 |
| aquatix | the router needs to support power safing | 14:17 |
| RST38h | math says 1 percent = 100 hours and .1 percent = 1000 hours | 14:17 |
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| * chronim Eating at Hanabe ramen shop in Tampere. A real ramen place! *good* | 14:17 | |
| lucent | RST38h: are you sure? | 14:17 |
| Shapeshifter | Chiku: awesome | 14:17 |
| Shapeshifter | chronim: ^ | 14:17 |
| RST38h | lucent: Can I ask how you manage to have WiFi off (but unconnected) with 2.5G on (connected)? | 14:17 |
| Chiku | ? | 14:18 |
| Shapeshifter | Chiku: nvm | 14:18 |
| lucent | RST38h: there's an APP FOR THAT | 14:18 |
| RST38h | ah ok, app for that | 14:18 |
| * lucent imitates Apple commercial | 14:18 | |
| lucent | okay here it is, I am using Wifi Switcher | 14:19 |
| lucent | "...allows to turn off the wifi radio by kernel module unloading to reduce power consumption..." | 14:20 |
| lucent | If I let wifi remain enabled during my day, then I cannot make a whole day on a full charge | 14:20 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: not quite - .1% per hour means that you might get 150 hours without, and 130 with | 14:21 |
| lucent | I'm not even using wifi for any part of the daily use | 14:21 |
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| lucent | Does it really draw more power just doing perceivalby nothing, than to be connected to an access point with power saving capabilities? | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Scanning for an AP uses a moderately large amount of power - I haven't measured it | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | but if your search interval is not really quite long indeed - then yes. | 14:23 |
| lucent | oh! yes my search interval is 10 minutes | 14:24 |
| lucent | is that too short? too long? | 14:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Scanning for an AP may take - IIRC - 30s of the radio being alive. This is 30s* - maybe - 200mA, or 100mA-min. So one scan is ballpark equivalent to having it connected to a powersaving wifi idle for 1.5 hours | 14:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | (in terms of wifi power use only, the device itself uses around 1% of battery an hour) | 14:25 |
| lucent | what search intervals do you folks use? | 14:27 |
| SpeedEvil | I need to set it up and measure it for wifi search power use with no signal | 14:28 |
| SpeedEvil | do that after it's charged | 14:28 |
| Arkenoi | mine is 10 minutes | 14:28 |
| omar | mine too | 14:29 |
| MohammadAG | 60 here | 14:29 |
| omar | woot mr. umbrella man and me have something in common | 14:29 |
| Arkenoi | more means you probably need to switch manually | 14:29 |
| Arkenoi | and that sucks | 14:29 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not that lazy | 14:29 |
| MohammadAG | 3 clicks save a lot of battery power | 14:30 |
| lucent | switch manually? | 14:31 |
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| lucent | i.e. bring up Internet Connection from the status area ? Or is it deeper in the menus | 14:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | set it to 'always ask' | 14:36 |
| SpeedEvil | then whenever you start something that wants the net - it asks which AP | 14:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | 'scan on unlock' would be good too | 14:37 |
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| lucent | Another topic, Firefox Mobile on N900, has a "hover" hack been devised? | 14:40 |
| lucent | I didn't see one posted in maemo.org forums unfortunately | 14:40 |
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| chronim | you mean a slow click? | 14:42 |
| chronim | > 500ms equals click? | 14:42 |
| lucent | ah | 14:42 |
| lucent | I meant for viewing "ALT" tags and such hovering over images | 14:42 |
| lucent | or navigating hover-over menus on scripted websites | 14:43 |
| chronim | how would you dco that | 14:43 |
| chronim | when every tap equals click | 14:43 |
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| lucent | chronim: have you used MicroB on N900? | 14:44 |
| chronim | maybe shift-tap to hover? | 14:44 |
| chronim | yes but i did not see hover | 14:44 |
| lucent | there's an action to drag from offscreen left lower corner onto the screen, and it presents an arrow | 14:44 |
| lucent | you just move the arrow by a tap and hold, and it acts as no-click hover of the mouse | 14:45 |
| chronim | oh! wow. i didnt know. i thought it was only select | 14:45 |
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| lucent | ah | 14:45 |
| lucent | I can't get by without it, for daily browser use | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=660664&postcount=8 | 14:46 |
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| MohammadAG | <SpeedEvil> If still broken, then the chip is screwed. <-- i guess that's the case? | 14:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Return to nokia care. | 14:46 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 14:46 |
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| chronim | name one url where i can test hover plrease lucent | 14:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: you considered mce isn't lighting up the kbd at all on bright and moderate ambient light? | 14:50 |
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| Stskeeps | lo VDVsx | 14:50 |
| flux | is there a way to have both 3g and wlan connected simulatenously on the n900? | 14:51 |
| lucent | chronim: looking for one | 14:51 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, engine 3 should be present | 14:51 |
| lucent | chronim: there's always http://xkcd.com | 14:51 |
| flux | or possibly a way for switching to 3g from command line.. | 14:51 |
| lucent | it won't show the full ALT tag, which a shame | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep, of curse | 14:51 |
| VDVsx | hey Stskeeps :) | 14:52 |
| MohammadAG | in his case engine3_mode is missing | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if eng3 isn't present then prolly kermel is fubar | 14:52 |
| MohammadAG | but he reflashed | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's absolutely strange, as the indicator is same chip | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I doubt there could break a single engine and kernel would detect this | 14:53 |
| lucent | chronim: http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/2818582 | 14:53 |
| MohammadAG | all LEDs are controlled by one chip? | 14:54 |
| MohammadAG | wouldn't that mean his LED wouldn't work now? | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eng3 is just a register in that chip | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | kbt and indicator, yes. same chip | 14:54 |
| MohammadAG | replied | 14:55 |
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| Shapeshifter | is there a simple way of just turning on the IR led? | 15:00 |
| Shapeshifter | I'd like to try if I could use the n900 as an IR source for the wiimote | 15:01 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, yep his RGB LED isn't working too | 15:03 |
| MohammadAG | Light swap at Nokia Care | 15:03 |
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| MohammadAG | Posts: 666 <-- need.. to.. reply.. | 15:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: yep | 15:05 |
| SpeedEvil | it's not the lights | 15:05 |
| SpeedEvil | it's the chip driving them | 15:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: it's a GPIO connected to a PWM | 15:05 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 15:06 |
| MohammadAG | well if the LEDs are borked then yes it is the chip | 15:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: It's a LED connected to a PWM/GPIO pin that is usually set as a PWM for IR controlling. | 15:06 |
| MohammadAG | oh and by light swap I meant the term used in the service manual, not the actual lights | 15:06 |
| SpeedEvil | ah - I see | 15:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: right, so full MB swap | 15:10 |
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| MohammadAG | any mods online? | 15:12 |
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| adnyxo | is there a place i should go for specific n800/810 talk? | 15:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Not as far as I'm aware. | 15:56 |
| SpeedEvil | It would probably have been sensible in septemper to create #maemo-4 | 15:57 |
| SpeedEvil | but... | 15:57 |
| BCMM | do they not release new versions of the software for old hardware? | 15:58 |
| BCMM | oh, i suppose the CPU requirements go up | 15:59 |
| MohammadAG | OMAP2 vs OMAP3 | 15:59 |
| Trewas | nokia is not exactly known for releasing updates to old hardware, or actually releasing updates at all :) | 15:59 |
| adnyxo | okay well im looking for a case for the n810 | 16:00 |
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| adnyxo | one that covers it while its in use, not like a bag to carry it in | 16:00 |
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| adnyxo | ive searched, but i get a leather flip case and a metal armor | 16:01 |
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| adnyxo | im looking for a silicon cling on type skin to protect against scratches | 16:01 |
| adnyxo | all the others it looks like they have to be taken off to use the keyboard/device | 16:01 |
| alterego | Hah, I can't believe no-one has banned abill_uk yet. | 16:02 |
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| alterego | I like the tags on his most recent community offerings :) | 16:02 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, an eMMC reflash fixed it for him | 16:03 |
| MohammadAG | not sure why | 16:03 |
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| MohammadAG | it could've been a coincidence imo | 16:03 |
| alterego | Also, has anyone noticed that he always names his forum posts in a rather maemo negative manner, then posts something that is seemingly innocent. | 16:03 |
| alterego | I swear his just trying to smear maemo. | 16:04 |
| Arkenoi | flashlauncher exposes very strange behavior.. it runs smoothly.. for a while. then everything just stops. for minutes. then it runs smoothly again. until next time. wtf? | 16:04 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, he seems to be succeeding at it | 16:04 |
| MohammadAG | I hope texrat doesn't actually resign | 16:04 |
| Arkenoi | while it "stops", all controls are non-responsive, cpu load is 100% and everything just sucks | 16:04 |
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| Trewas | alterego: wasn't he the one who started the leaked pr1.2 thread? | 16:04 |
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| alterego | Trewas: he's been doing quite a bit, basically insinuating that the community is responsible for breaking users devices etc. | 16:05 |
| alterego | Generally putting Nokia down for poor hardware design and support, software design/support. | 16:05 |
| MohammadAG | i.e OrangeBox the II | 16:06 |
| markinfo | where is "Open with ..." in File manager in OS2008? | 16:06 |
| alterego | Generally very negative to the entire platform, yet he says he loves his N900, and he, personally, has never had any issues with it. And he's using PR1.2 and he's got all the apps from devel and testing installed and blah-blah-blah | 16:06 |
| Arkenoi | and it is not io bound, it is just cpu | 16:06 |
| Trewas | hmm haven't checked tmo in a few days, but one of his posts in the lr1.2 thread was quite funny, "of course it is ok, I am an engineer!" (paraphrased a bit) :) | 16:07 |
| alterego | Trewas: yeah, that was quite humourous. | 16:07 |
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| alterego | Oh well, "Thread closed" :) | 16:07 |
| FredrIQ | Hi. | 16:08 |
| FredrIQ | When starting bash from the console, my .bashrc is readed. When doing it from the menu, it isn't. How can I check how the menu starts the console? | 16:09 |
| FredrIQ | for example, if it uses some odd switches that i don't want or so | 16:09 |
| Shapeshifter | alterego: who're you talking about? | 16:09 |
| MohammadAG | xterm.desktop file | 16:09 |
| MohammadAG | but I wouldn't edit that | 16:10 |
| MohammadAG | abill_uk | 16:10 |
| FredrIQ | Where is that stored? | 16:10 |
| alterego | Shapeshifter: abill_uk | 16:10 |
| markinfo | how can be opened Video file in desired player? Not the standard one? OS2008 | 16:10 |
| FredrIQ | Meh, it's not that i would delete it or smth, just check what it contains | 16:10 |
| FredrIQ | and edit it _if i know what i do_ | 16:10 |
| alterego | Shapeshifter: doesn't seee very abill and god I hope he's not from the UK. | 16:10 |
| Shapeshifter | aha | 16:11 |
| chronim | mplayer foo.avi | 16:12 |
| MohammadAG | wonderful | 16:12 |
| MohammadAG | Banned | Posts: 329 | Thanked: 65 times | Joined on Feb 2010 | 16:12 |
| MohammadAG | 16:12 | |
| MohammadAG | Report This | #95 | 16:12 |
| MohammadAG | sorry for the three lines lol | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | abill_uk? | 16:13 |
| chronim | hahaha | 16:13 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, yeah | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | thank god | 16:13 |
| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=33715 | 16:13 |
| zlimvos | solved 2 problems today, im going for a biggie now. can't make uae4all to run any app even the example SysInfo.adf in the package. rom loads properly .. | 16:14 |
| chronim | wow. | 16:14 |
| zlimvos | main problem is i cant find any log or debug from the uae4all when exiting/crashing | 16:15 |
| chronim | you actually banned someone for just being stupid? | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | excessively so, but i've seen him pull way too much crap | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | (i didnt ban him) | 16:16 |
| MohammadAG | -1 for you then | 16:16 |
| chronim | ok. well that is very funny | 16:16 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 16:16 |
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| Stskeeps | cleaning up the forum is a good thing imho | 16:17 |
| lbt | so's making email integration work | 16:18 |
| lbt | (did I say that out loud... oops) | 16:18 |
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| chronim | I would also like map applications with proper perspective in northern lattitudes | 16:23 |
| chronim | At least i think they are wrong | 16:24 |
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| Termana | shame on you lbt *wags finger* :P lol | 16:26 |
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| lbt | http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ | 16:29 |
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| lbt | I'm going to need some help making this work | 16:29 |
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| Stskeeps | i have a task allocated for it at least | 16:30 |
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| lbt | :) | 16:30 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: it certainly has a familar feel to the whole process.... | 16:31 |
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| lbt | can't think where we've done it before... | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | ~hehe :P | 16:31 |
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| Dassu | k | 16:37 |
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| lcuk | lbt morning \o saw your posts on planet and tmo | 16:45 |
| pupnik | http://www.gameloft.com/iphone-games/bailout-wars/ | 16:46 |
| lcuk | lbt, i gather we cannot set a deb line to those newly built apps to test around with? | 16:46 |
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| lbt | sadly not yet | 16:47 |
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| * lcuk nods | 16:49 | |
| pupnik | < toruvinn> anyone using opera 10.5 and missing "flashblock" - it's there! opera:config#UserPrefs|EnableOnDemandPlugin | 16:50 |
| pupnik | or if you can't type the | just go to opera:config#UserPrefs and scroll down | 16:51 |
| jaska | pupnik: also, that doesnt work 100% for me.. so i just keep flash disabled :) | 16:51 |
| pupnik | ah? ok | 16:51 |
| jaska | ymmv. | 16:51 |
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| jaska | argh, now to find a box that can handle lirc irrecord | 16:53 |
| pupnik | sometimes i wish maemo had just ditched X11 | 16:54 |
| vip | hi all | 16:54 |
| vip | is there a way to install ubuntut game in maemo 5 | 16:55 |
| MohammadAG | what's the game? | 16:56 |
| * DocScrutinizer watches %%%%..... sbox maemo SDK install, yawns | 16:58 | |
| alterego | :) | 16:59 |
| omar | anyone use vim a lot? i have a question :) | 16:59 |
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| thp | omar: ask | 17:01 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Middle-left of page 2 - TV out pins - LC network series. Page ~2118 of the datasheet (spruf98) says you should connect a R, not a LC network. Might this be a network to compensate for the extra C of the analog switch? My analog fu is weak. | 17:01 |
| vip | does ubuntut run perfectly in n900 | 17:01 |
| omar | if you type :help there's the help text then like a split pane view with a ~ on each line | 17:01 |
| SpeedEvil | vip: no | 17:01 |
| omar | what is the ~ part under the text? | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: mompl | 17:01 |
| thp | omar: the empty document that's opened by default? | 17:02 |
| vip | did you tried | 17:02 |
| omar | wow lol | 17:02 |
| omar | yeah it is | 17:02 |
| omar | well this is embarrassing :P | 17:02 |
| thp | omar: you can Ctrl+W W to switch focus between these windows | 17:02 |
| omar | ya know that part ;) | 17:02 |
| omar | can i use perl regular expressions with vim? | 17:03 |
| thp | as in s/from/to/ ? | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you might want to calculate f0 of 3u3*47p to get a good guess about what it actually does. My idea is either audio subcarrier or color foo | 17:03 |
| vip | speedevil did you tried | 17:04 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: 4MHz | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: it's a series LC so it will boost f0 | 17:04 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: which seems odd. | 17:04 |
| omar | thp as in using lookaheads/lookarounds | 17:04 |
| omar | similar to grep -P | 17:04 |
| thp | omar: type "/" and then the regex | 17:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, seem to remember 4.43MHz for some important subcarrier of CVBS | 17:05 |
| thp | or "?" and the regex for backwards search | 17:05 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I suppose I need to find out what impedence between those nodes does - it's not clearly specified | 17:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: surely - but there is no LC on recommended. | 17:05 |
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| vip | did anybody tried to convert symbin game to maemo by qt sdk | 17:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | doesn't matter. Nokia might have found the relative (dB)level of that subcarrier being too low after damping by cable parasitary capacitance etc | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | so to keep color PLL nicely locked they decided to boost it with a ~4MHz bandpass | 17:07 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, you really should be wearing a labcoat when saying things like that | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | I do | 17:07 |
| FIQ | where's xterm.desktop stored? | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 17:07 |
| lcuk | :D | 17:07 |
| alterego | Heh, he is wearing one :D | 17:07 |
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| thp | omar: and you might want to look into 'incsearch' and 'hlsearch' in vim's help :) | 17:07 |
| lcuk | hey thp \o | 17:08 |
| omar | yah i've seen that already in the tutorial | 17:08 |
| omar | thp how can i get it to match an expression like this: [^.]+$ | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG | vip, Qt doesn't automatically allow you to "convert" games | 17:08 |
| omar | which matches the extension of a file | 17:08 |
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| MohammadAG | they have to be programmed in Qt, and if the developer chooses he can port it over | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG | Qt just makes it easier for the dev | 17:08 |
| omar | it's telling me pattern not found when i have a bunch of filenames in the file | 17:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: thanks | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw, mate :-D | 17:10 |
| vip | mohammadag yes but if you build any symbin game by qt you can compile it for maemo | 17:10 |
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| vip | so write no i dont see any software done like this concept | 17:12 |
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| alterego | vip: though that is the intention, it's not to be taken as gospel, it's very easy to tie an application to a specific platform, Qt just tries to make it easier to not rely on platform specifics, it'd doesn't stop someone actually doing it though. | 17:12 |
| pgas | omar: I don't know about vim, but + is part of the extended regexp syntax, and vi uses the basic re. (vim might grok \+ instead of + or \{1,\}), also there is a ##vim channel | 17:12 |
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| pgas | err #vim it seems | 17:12 |
| omar | ah okay | 17:12 |
| omar | i guess i'm only familiar with what seems to be the perl regex syntax ;D | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | vip, if it's open source yes | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | Symbian's Qt is kind of broken atm | 17:13 |
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| thp | lcuk: hey o/ | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | using up 15MBs from C: (similar to root, but on the N97 it's about 20MBs from first boot up) | 17:13 |
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| vip | i think nokia need more accompanies to start create software | 17:14 |
| Lynoure | vip: hmm? | 17:15 |
| omar | pgas you're right \+ is right | 17:15 |
| vip | mohammadag ithink maemo is not fully open source | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG | ~openness | 17:16 |
| infobot | rumour has it, openness is http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html | 17:16 |
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| vip | not clear | 17:17 |
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| alterego | Is the maemo repository down? | 17:17 |
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| alterego | Oh no, just dodgy 3G connection | 17:18 |
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| MohammadAG | looks clear to me http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo.org/openness/pr1.1/ | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Get:137 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/non-free osso-icons-default 2.5.0+0m5 [2945kB] | 17:21 |
| * DocScrutinizer YAWNS | 17:21 | |
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| alterego | How do you know wwhat version of Qt pyside is built for? Wanna make sure this is for 4.6.2 .. | 17:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | could somebody tell me to what number this "137" will count up on sb maemo SDK install? | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ballpark figure would be great | 17:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wow, now it's speeding | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, 697 or so | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | Get:279 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/free libbz2-dev 1:1.0.5-3+0m5 [42.5kB] | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | kk, thanks | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | and another 697 for X86 | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | 2461 packages | 17:24 |
| pupnik | "I have a PHD in computer science and I'm working in Electronic Design Automation domain, more precisely in Hardware Emulation to help well known companies to design their processors and other chips." ... sign. | 17:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oooh, seems it now calculates an ETA total :-)) | 17:25 |
| redeeman | damn maemo, my isp keeps trying to send me an mms | 17:25 |
| redeeman | it fucking eats my power | 17:25 |
| jacekowski | use fmms | 17:25 |
| redeeman | but i don't care about mmm's | 17:25 |
| redeeman | i just want maemo to disacknowledge it | 17:26 |
| redeeman | so i get the sms with a link | 17:26 |
| redeeman | mms's* | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://pastebin.com/8LRJL8y4 | 17:26 |
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| vip | does anybody tried to install java deben in maemo | 17:26 |
| * DocScrutinizer *chokes* | 17:27 | |
| MohammadAG | it's not that bad :P | 17:28 |
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| MohammadAG | 173Marchives_ARMEL | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG | 117Marchives_X86 | 17:28 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'd copy over the files in /tmp and the archives if I were you | 17:28 |
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| MohammadAG | easier reinstallation if something bad happens | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | the compiler segfauled on me once and I had to reinstall | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | before: /dev/sda6 20G 14G 5.2G 72% / --- after: /dev/sda6 20G 16G 2.3G 88% / | 17:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *COUGH* | 17:29 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, did they get unpacked? | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I didn't watch every single step of that script | 17:31 |
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| MohammadAG | I'd start freeing up stuff lol | 17:31 |
| MohammadAG | 4.2G/scratchbox/ | 17:31 |
| liori | MohammadAG: is this a list of packages installed on your phone? | 17:32 |
| MohammadAG | no, it's a list of the SDK packages | 17:32 |
| MohammadAG | PR1.2 SDK to be specific | 17:32 |
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| kalikiana | MohammadAG, that is still small for sbox :-P | 17:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, du -h /scr* ->4.1G /scratchbox/ | 17:35 |
| kalikiana | if you count around 1.5GB per compiler alone | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG | it's 10GBs on my laptop :) | 17:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WUT??? | 17:36 |
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| MohammadAG | and my laptop's linux partition is 11GBs | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | got no free 10GB | 17:36 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, too much junk and I can't bother to clean up | 17:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | OMFG /dev/sda6 20G 17G 1.8G 91% / | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | this bloody SDK kills my system >:-(( | 17:38 |
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| MohammadAG | you could've asked for ssh access to my scratchbox :P | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | screwit | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's insane | 17:39 |
| jacekowski | i have scratchbox on my server | 17:39 |
| jacekowski | and can give access to somebody | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got an account at jebba's | 17:39 |
| GAN900 | Fun story. | 17:39 |
| jacekowski | 4x2.83GHz xeon? | 17:40 |
| GAN900 | iPad has as much Bluetooth keyboard lag as Maemo. | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I was blinded by the idea of an easy install via http://en.opensuse.org/Maemo5 | 17:40 |
| MohammadAG | who's copying the other :P | 17:40 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it is easy, but the size isn't that small | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | what a bummer | 17:40 |
| ZogG | who have n8*0 here? | 17:42 |
| alterego | Shame you can't run PySide apps in the simulator .. | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ol | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | n810 | 17:43 |
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| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, suggestion for your app, scheduled SMSs :) | 17:43 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, resolved the question already talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52791 | 17:45 |
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| arachnist | soda_: /27 | 17:45 |
| arachnist | whoops | 17:45 |
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| jacekowski | how do you access accelerometer data on n900? | 17:47 |
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| lcuk | jacekowski, http://wiki.maemo.org/Accelerometers | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm... ""Installation was successful! \n ...\n Happy hacking!"" -> /dev/sda6 20G 17G 1.8G 91% / | 17:49 |
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| alterego | Hahah ,gov't conspiracies surrounding PR1.2 :D | 17:51 |
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| alterego | God, I love this community, I love it more now with the influx of non-GNU/Linux newbies and anti-FOSS campainers :) | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | whom to shoot for scratchbox maemo SDK installing everything to /scratchbox instead of /home/scratchbox where it would belong | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 17:52 |
| cure` | what is this PR1.2 you are talking about? | 17:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems scratchbox needs optification as well X-P | 17:52 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:52 |
| alterego | homofication | 17:52 |
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| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: yeah I've put that on the todo list. last time I had a look at how to send sms from the cli it was a complicated mess, though | 17:58 |
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| MohammadAG | dbus | 17:58 |
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| lcuk | bless you MohammadAG | 18:02 |
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| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: but it needs magic | 18:11 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: I'll look into it. seems like someone wrote some scripts by now | 18:13 |
| Shapeshifter | http://www.paraiso.dk/pymaemosms.txt | 18:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: ping | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm listening to a song in an album - I hit back a couple of times to get to the album list. Is there a way to find out what album the currently playing track is in? | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: pong, but not very active | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php §4.2 - will I be able to continue developing jrbme / hostmode, after accepting this EULA? | 18:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: ""Licensee may not reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble any part of the Licensed Software..." | 18:21 |
| SpeedEvil | In the EU - as I understand it - the reverse engineering for compatibility reasons is acceptable. | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | not a lawyer, but technically no - but they are talking about the parts that are in the sdk | 18:22 |
| SpeedEvil | except and only to the extent that such activity is expressly permitted by | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | and bme isnt there | 18:22 |
| SpeedEvil | applicable law | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, k | 18:22 |
| SpeedEvil | yea | 18:23 |
| SpeedEvil | see 1.4 for scope | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, I'm REing the bme on N900, not in SDK | 18:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | thanks Stskeeps SpeedEvil | 18:24 |
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| Macer | wow. claws is horrible | 18:26 |
| Macer | heh | 18:26 |
| Macer | and the default email app doesnt seem to subscribe to folders correctly | 18:26 |
| alterego | email has been one of the longest standing issues with maemo it seems, never been right for anybody | 18:28 |
| alterego | Well, anybody that relies on email for a fair amount of their day-to-day. | 18:28 |
| damnshock | right? it is horrible | 18:28 |
| alterego | It'd probably be alright for me, if MfE worked for me. | 18:29 |
| Macer | well... i just want to change the default sent dir | 18:29 |
| Macer | to keep sent msgs on the imap instead of the local dir | 18:29 |
| damnshock | I want threading, ability to search, fullscreen... | 18:29 |
| damnshock | idle imap... | 18:29 |
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| pupnik | When i use Synergy, i sometimes don't get keyboard input in xterminal - cursor remains a light box | 18:29 |
| damnshock | god! there's plenty of things that the email app lacks | 18:30 |
| pupnik | i hate email enough to just use a webservice for it | 18:30 |
| pupnik | so <nelson> HA HA | 18:30 |
| Macer | pupnik: haha | 18:31 |
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| Macer | i mean it is usable | 18:31 |
| damnshock | pupnik: I happen to love email, I find it a very usefull way of comunication | 18:31 |
| Macer | but the local sent folder is a pain | 18:31 |
| Macer | i am trying to find out hw to move them manually now | 18:31 |
| * RST38h grins as he watches t.m.o [l]users finally starting to whine about N900 "unresponsiveness" | 18:32 | |
| RST38h | helo Macer, pupnik, alterego | 18:32 |
| Macer | unresponsiveness? | 18:32 |
| alterego | Hey RST38h | 18:32 |
| Macer | i think it is pretty good for a phone | 18:33 |
| RST38h | Macer: Well, looks like any bulk MMC activity hangs the OS hard | 18:33 |
| pupnik | hey RST38h hally sunday to you | 18:33 |
| RST38h | Macer: Especially swapping | 18:33 |
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| RST38h | Macer: As a lot of stuff (including swap) is at the MMC now...well you can guess | 18:33 |
| Macer | does it? | 18:33 |
| Macer | :) | 18:33 |
| RST38h | Macer: Run Fennec and check for yourself | 18:33 |
| Macer | haha.. i will | 18:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Is it obvious to anyone else that of course you click the fake 'spectrum analyser' thing to go to the currently playing tracks page in the media player? | 18:33 |
| RST38h | Macer: for example, try locking the device with the sliding switch while the goddamn Fennec is loading a page | 18:34 |
| SpeedEvil | It diddn't seem so to me. | 18:34 |
| RST38h | Speed: Obvious to me | 18:34 |
| haltdef | me too | 18:34 |
| Macer | haha | 18:34 |
| damnshock | me too here | 18:34 |
| RST38h | Speed: And you can click anywher eon the song name really | 18:34 |
| Macer | and it stutters | 18:34 |
| Macer | with the cool clacking noise | 18:35 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: I mean - when you are playing a song - and have gone to some other page | 18:35 |
| RST38h | Yea | 18:35 |
| Macer | hm | 18:35 |
| Macer | i can manually move all the emails to the imap | 18:35 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: as there is no song name then | 18:35 |
| Macer | so why cant it put them there by default? | 18:35 |
| Macer | maybe i missed something | 18:35 |
| RST38h | Oh you mean the icon | 18:35 |
| RST38h | in the player itself...yes, it is obvious | 18:35 |
| * MohammadAG gives lcuk some bacon | 18:35 | |
| SpeedEvil | k | 18:35 |
| Macer | blame Stskeeps | 18:36 |
| lcuk | ta MohammadAG :D just in time | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | anytime :P | 18:36 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders adding a enhancement stating that the little record player on the song page clearly implies you should be able to scratch with the current track. | 18:36 | |
| Stskeeps | Macer: fuckoff | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 18:36 |
| mindfaq | MicroB in PR 1.2 is based on firefox 3.6 branch, right? anyone knows if the video tag from the html5 draft is supported? | 18:37 |
| RST38h | Speed: You think too highly of the builtin media player | 18:37 |
| RST38h | Speed: It is only getting an option to delete a song from the playlist in PR1.2 | 18:38 |
| Macer | uh oh | 18:38 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: haha. sorry. it is an american thing. like.. blame bush | 18:38 |
| mindfaq | and if nokia enabled non-free codecs? they are already paying at least for AVC and MP3 | 18:38 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Err... | 18:39 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: I did that just a few moments ago | 18:39 |
| RST38h | how? | 18:39 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: oh - you mean remove from playlist | 18:39 |
| Jaffa | Going to be a lightweight MWKN this week. I've not got the time or energy to trawl TMO after 8.7 days at work (according to my timesheet) | 18:39 |
| RST38h | Speed: Not DELETE, mind you, just remove from playlist | 18:39 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: yeah - I meant nuke | 18:39 |
| * RST38h has no idea why Nkia people thing anyone will be deleting his/her content from the media player | 18:39 | |
| lcuk | jaffa - amys choice. good bad or indifferent? | 18:40 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: I was doing that - to nuke old podcasts. | 18:40 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Good. Almost great; but some reason something's niggling at me about it | 18:40 |
| RST38h | lcuk,Jaffa <-- spoilers | 18:41 |
| * RST38h just got it, did not watch yet | 18:41 | |
| * pupnik stabs "_HILDON_ZOOM_KEY_ATOM" with a fork | 18:41 | |
| lcuk | RST38h, apologies - was not discussing content | 18:41 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: You are still finding news on TMO? | 18:41 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Mostly [announce] etc. | 18:41 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: If anything, cover iStyle Black and Carbone themes then | 18:41 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Means nothing to me. URLs? | 18:42 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Both seem like the first really usable themes (IMHO), still some tweaks needed though | 18:42 |
| * Jaffa hasn't been on TMO in 7 days | 18:42 | |
| Jaffa | At least. | 18:42 |
| RST38h | haven't missed anything | 18:42 |
| oilgame | Is there some kind of control panel for sound forwarding with pulseaudio? | 18:42 |
| RST38h | a moment | 18:42 |
| * lcuk gets pupnik a fork | 18:42 | |
| RST38h | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52298 | 18:43 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: ta. | 18:43 |
| RST38h | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52765 | 18:43 |
| * RST38h out for now | 18:43 | |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, I'll poke at the collection. | 18:44 |
| alterego | I thought the font colours in iStyle were a bit rubbish .. | 18:45 |
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| pupnik | cheers | 18:45 |
| alterego | I'm using iStyle Light btw, | 18:45 |
| * Jaffa 's seen reference to a white theme, but the hostname for the blog was invalid. Anyone got a better URL? | 18:46 | |
| DocScrutinizer | pffft, mediaplayer. There should have been a fullfeatured "edit playlist" from beginning, not only for current playlist but also for stored playlists. And of course a way to open a FILE (like in FQN), and add that file to the playlist you're editing | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, and a "stop after this song" | 18:47 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: damn straight! | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | show full pathname in info of any song | 18:47 |
| alterego | Does the media player actually have play list loading? | 18:48 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: what makes it so bad is nobody will fix these issues if nokia doesnt get off their ass and tell the community what theyre going to do with meego | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ack | 18:48 |
| Macer | is you is or is you aint?! | 18:48 |
| alterego | Macer: you mean the n900 right? | 18:48 |
| Macer | alterego: they are hand in hand | 18:48 |
| alterego | MeeGo doesn't really have that much to do with these issues ... | 18:48 |
| Macer | why dev for maemo if it is getting mothballed in a year? | 18:49 |
| Macer | and replaced with meego | 18:49 |
| alterego | I'm not sure that's the best way tolook at things at the moment :/ | 18:49 |
| Macer | and if it isnt | 18:49 |
| damnshock | Macer: I hope that problem is solved while using qt | 18:49 |
| damnshock | as it will be crossplatform | 18:49 |
| Macer | then devs will be like "well. i havent developed for maemo in a year so why bother now" | 18:49 |
| Macer | if nokia sticks with maemo | 18:50 |
| Macer | so now it is lose lose | 18:50 |
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| Macer | LOSE.... LOSE heh | 18:50 |
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| Terje_ | Macer, Maemo and MeeGo are very similar. Develop for one and there's a good chance it'll work in the other. | 18:50 |
| Macer | Terje_: maybe | 18:50 |
| * lcuk kicks comp | 18:50 | |
| Macer | who knows for sure? | 18:50 |
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| Macer | why dev an app for 3 months to find out some obscure difference wont allow it to run | 18:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fsck, mediaplayer isn't working (for any meaning of the word) anywhere. And nobody will fix it if Nokia won't | 18:51 |
| BCMM | i get the impression it's a bit like making sure stuff will run on multiple linux distros | 18:51 |
| alterego | Well, that's where Qt comes in isn't it. | 18:51 |
| Terje_ | Macer, because then you can use a few days to work around it. | 18:52 |
| BCMM | rather than on multiple types of OS | 18:52 |
| Macer | nokia has to acknowledge their intentions and put out a timeline | 18:52 |
| Macer | Terje_: maybe | 18:52 |
| alterego | Macer, they kind of already have :P | 18:52 |
| Macer | nobody knoiws for sure.. and uncertainty is a killer | 18:52 |
| alterego | But timelines and large corporations usually have quite a few months latency :P | 18:53 |
| * pupnik wants an AMOLED device now | 18:53 | |
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| flux | are there actually gstreamer-based music player alternatives for n900? | 18:54 |
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| Macer | alterego: well. they need to put something out there.. even if it is just maemo with a meego stamp on it | 18:54 |
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| flux | I mean, mediaplayer is far from perfect, but perhaps it needs a fresh view at it to fix it.. although I wouldn't mind if they fixed a few bugs aswell ;) | 18:54 |
| Macer | remember when sega released 3 gaming systems within a year of each other? | 18:55 |
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| Macer | a year after that they were ruined because nobody was certain if the one they came out with would be obsolete in a few months so sony, nintendo, and ms took all their shares and now sega only gets to release its scraps to those platforms | 18:56 |
| alterego | Macer: I think, your best bet, for writing applications is targetting Qt, no matter what happens with maemo/meego, we will always have a good Qt support on the N900. | 18:57 |
| alterego | And we can keep it up-to-date with the latest API's, so there shouldn't be any issue with application development at all. | 18:57 |
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| Macer | or option b.. hold still on n900 dev until the smoke clears | 18:58 |
| Macer | or c. abandon it altogether and find a more stable platform | 18:58 |
| alterego | I'd say the atmosphere is transparent enough to guarantee Qt as an application development platform on the N900 and future MeeGo devices. | 18:58 |
| alterego | We know the next device will be Maemo 6 Harmattan, but it will be a MeeGo 1.0 instance. | 18:59 |
| Macer | but why make the sega game that wont last as long when you can make an android app that you know will go somewhere? | 18:59 |
| alterego | We know that the N900, until this device is produced is their "reference platform" for MeeGo, so we should hopefully have a pretty good MeeGo image for the N900 on top of this. | 18:59 |
| Macer | i hope soon | 19:00 |
| alterego | This is what I'm trying to tell you, write for Qt, it'll be future proof. | 19:00 |
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| Macer | the longer they wait the less people will wait | 19:00 |
| alterego | At least for the next MeeGo device. | 19:00 |
| Macer | anyways. taking my boy to mcdonalds ;) ttyl | 19:00 |
| alterego | seeya :) | 19:01 |
| Trewas | do current symbian phones support qt apps? or is that only in symbian^3? | 19:01 |
| alterego | You can get Qt on current phones | 19:02 |
| alterego | I think the N97 and 5800 have it by default? | 19:02 |
| Trewas | nokia has been a bit slow making qt an actually viable platform | 19:03 |
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| alterego | Trewas: well, time is relative you know ;) | 19:05 |
| alterego | Some people might think that they've actually been quite quick in developing the platform.l | 19:05 |
| alterego | I've certainly seen a lot of work put into it. | 19:05 |
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| Trewas | alterego: sure they have a lot invested, but the direct competitors (android and iphone) seem to be advancing far faster | 19:07 |
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| alterego | Trewas: I don't actually think that's the case, they may be ahead, but I wouldn't say they're advancing faster without coming up with a decent way of measuring that kind of progress. | 19:08 |
| alterego | I've not heard of any ground-breaking things happening in the iPhone OS SDK recently, it seems to have been the same since the first version of the OS. | 19:08 |
| alterego | OTOH, the developers aren't allowed to talk about it ;) | 19:09 |
| alterego | And Android, well, I really don't like their platform architecture. | 19:09 |
| Trewas | ok, better to say that they just are ahead, no idea who is advancing faster :) | 19:09 |
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| alterego | Exactly, but Nokia, are certainly poised now, with a stable Qt releaase with all the Mobility API's ready, with a truely awsome development platform that will put them right up there with the iPhone & Droid OS. | 19:10 |
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| alterego | Lets see how Microsoft do with releasing an SDK for their mobile platform (which AFAIK is based on silverlight) :) | 19:10 |
| alterego | Regardless, I'm happy with the N900, I'm happy with the current state of the OS on it, even if it is _far_ from perfect. And I'm looking forward and am extremely excited and enthused by what appears to be ahead. | 19:11 |
| Trewas | I really hope that nokia gets their shit together with smartphones and attracts app developers, as a finn that is pretty much required as they are 5% of the economy :P | 19:12 |
| BCMM | i thought MS's mobile platform was windows? | 19:12 |
| alterego | And I'm not waiting, I've been developing using Qt, got stuff working on all the platforms it supports (Mac OS X excluded). | 19:12 |
| BCMM | (windows something) | 19:12 |
| alterego | BCMM: (Microsoft Windows Phone 7) or whatever is not really Windows as a normal person would see it. | 19:13 |
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| alterego | And it's application development will all be C#, full .NET, and silverlight | 19:13 |
| BCMM | alterego: what was that thing they used to have on PDAs? | 19:13 |
| alterego | I wonder if we can get Mono and Moonlight to allow apps to be moved across platforms, | 19:13 |
| alterego | BCMM: Windows CE | 19:13 |
| BCMM | i thought that was for embedded stuff? | 19:14 |
| BCMM | both? | 19:14 |
| alterego | They changed the name to "Windows Mobile" and now they see to have added "Phone" somewhere in the title, all very confusing :) | 19:14 |
| alterego | Yes, a hpone is embedded ::P | 19:14 |
| alterego | s/hpone/phone/ | 19:14 |
| infobot | alterego meant: Yes, a phone is embedded ::P | 19:14 |
| alterego | s/::/:/ | 19:14 |
| infobot | alterego meant: Yes, a hpone is embedded :P | 19:14 |
| BCMM | alterego: so is windows mobile basically windows CE? | 19:15 |
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| alterego | BCMM: yeah, it's built on CE | 19:15 |
| alterego | AFAIK | 19:15 |
| Arkenoi | wm7 is windows ce, but you are not allowed to run native applications | 19:15 |
| BCMM | damn MS branding is confusing | 19:15 |
| alterego | And it's not really anything like Windows (underneath | 19:15 |
| alterego | ) | 19:15 |
| BCMM | they really really don't like native apps on any platform now | 19:16 |
| Arkenoi | it is like iphone OS is OSX | 19:16 |
| PhonicUK | hey all | 19:16 |
| BCMM | i wonder if they're trying to be ready to make a version of ARM desktops if x86 loses | 19:16 |
| BCMM | ^for | 19:16 |
| alterego | There's some ARM netbook like devicess. | 19:17 |
| alterego | And the iPad is an ARM based tablet device. | 19:17 |
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| Trewas | windows has been available to other processor architectures besides x86 (like alpha), probably they can port it to whatever architecture quite fast if needed | 19:18 |
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| alterego | Trewas: hah, not likely :P | 19:19 |
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| PhonicUK | who remembers Skyroads? | 19:19 |
| alterego | But again, time is relative, "quite fast" could be subjective :P | 19:20 |
| BCMM | port it fast? no | 19:20 |
| b-man | there was an article stating why Microsoft wouldn't support desktop windows on the arm architecture.. although i can't remember where | 19:20 |
| Trewas | alterego: I said if needed, I would actually be willing to bet that they have interl version of windows 8 running on arm :) | 19:20 |
| BCMM | but encouraging .net development seems a pretty good insurance policy against having to change architecture | 19:20 |
| Trewas | windows 7 even | 19:20 |
| Jaffa | Trewas: How much do you want to bet? | 19:20 |
| BCMM | (or does .net make assumptions about endianess and size of things and that?) | 19:21 |
| Jaffa | Trewas: All the cross-platform code was ditched after NT on Alpha & PPC was canned, AIUI. | 19:21 |
| PhonicUK | i suspect the main reason MSFT won't make an ARM version is because so few people would understand why their x86 apps won't work any more ;) | 19:21 |
| PhonicUK | .Net works fine on ARM | 19:21 |
| Jaffa | Trewas: None of the new video driver code for XP, Vista or 7 is anyway portable. | 19:21 |
| Jaffa | PhonicUK: s/their x86 app/every Windows app on the planet/ ;-) | 19:22 |
| PhonicUK | not quite true, .Net apps wouldn't have a problem | 19:22 |
| PhonicUK | I can produce a .Net binary that will run on an ARM based Windows CE device, and an x86 desktop | 19:22 |
| PhonicUK | as a single image | 19:22 |
| Trewas | Jaffa: is there actually a lot of processor specific stuff needed in the driver level? I would imagine that most of the drivers are coded at level that is not *that* architecture dependent | 19:23 |
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| PhonicUK | the only way it would work is if they called their ARM version something *other* than windows | 19:23 |
| PhonicUK | even if the API was identical | 19:24 |
| MiXu- | Why not put an additional layer of abstraction between hardware and OS? :) | 19:24 |
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| PhonicUK | MiXu, what do you think the HAL is for? | 19:25 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:25 |
| Robot101 | architecture included - the fact android has a VM is very sensible for them | 19:26 |
| PhonicUK | indeed | 19:26 |
| PhonicUK | you can think of .NET as microsofts answer to this though | 19:26 |
| PhonicUK | .NET CLR Code = Java/Davlik Bytecode | 19:27 |
| Robot101 | http://www.itwriting.com/blog/2483-silverlight-and-air-for-meego-linux-coming-in-october.html | 19:27 |
| frals | lulz | 19:28 |
| frals | managed to add stuff to conversations via rtcom-el from python \o/ | 19:28 |
| alterego | frals: congrats :) | 19:29 |
| alterego | Robot101: nice find, that is positive :) | 19:29 |
| PhonicUK | sod taht, I want flash 10! | 19:29 |
| PhonicUK | and hardware accelerated video playback | 19:29 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:29 |
| Robot101 | alterego: is it? I doubt intel will make it available for other CPU architectures... | 19:29 |
| alterego | I thought it was Open Source ... | 19:31 |
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| lcuk | alterego, open source does not imply that cross platform would be easy to achieve | 19:32 |
| alterego | Hrm, | 19:32 |
| lcuk | for any app | 19:32 |
| alterego | Well, lets have a look :P | 19:32 |
| lcuk | of course | 19:32 |
| lcuk | THAT is what open source allows ;) it doesnt just mean its on a plate for you :P | 19:32 |
| frals | interesting how the timestamp is 2011-10-14 on the added message :\ | 19:33 |
| lcuk | lol frals, you time traveling again | 19:34 |
| frals | appearently, didnt even notice this time! | 19:34 |
| frals | i must be getting really good at this ;) | 19:34 |
| lcuk | nicely done btw, did you talk with the guys doing vertsms? or is this your own attack at it? | 19:34 |
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| lcuk | ive had conversations where the date wildly screws itself up | 19:34 |
| frals | lcuk: i saw vertsms, someone posted a seg faulting snippet and ive fixed it :) | 19:34 |
| lcuk | cool! | 19:35 |
| alterego | Looks like it's pecifically for Atom, so it probably wont be easy. | 19:35 |
| pupnik | it's very simple. if we can make android crap run on meego, meego wins | 19:35 |
| pupnik | otherwise google wins | 19:35 |
| lcuk | you gonna post the fixed one back to them i hope :p | 19:35 |
| frals | lcuk: duh ofc | 19:35 |
| lcuk | :D | 19:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | oooh - http://openbossa.indt.org/carman/ | 19:37 |
| alterego | pupnik: well, ideally how would that be achieved? | 19:37 |
| alterego | We'd need the Android JVM, and libraries that could interface with MeeGo | 19:38 |
| alterego | We'd need something that made the apps place nice and look respectable, I don't know if Android has a theming engine like we do, so that would be interesting. | 19:38 |
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| Robot101 | pupnik: we're looking into it | 19:42 |
| Robot101 | pupnik: people (Intel, Canonical) have demo'd android crap running on non-android systems | 19:42 |
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| Robot101 | but it's a bit tricky, IPC, graphics, et | 19:42 |
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| alterego | I'm not even sure it's that important. | 19:43 |
| alterego | The majority of my friends, whichhave Android, don't give a shit about the apps, | 19:43 |
| Robot101 | it's not necessarily about your friends | 19:43 |
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| alterego | Understandable, | 19:43 |
| Robot101 | its about the manufacturers who can choose MeeGo or Android or ... | 19:44 |
| alterego | There seems to be a fair few tiers of user groups :) | 19:44 |
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| Robot101 | if they make their decision based on (amongst others) app availability | 19:44 |
| Robot101 | MeeGo is hardly compelling at the moment | 19:44 |
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| alterego | MeeGo doesn't exist, at the moment :PO | 19:44 |
| Robot101 | it's a cyclical thing, you need good devices to have a good platform to get good apps | 19:44 |
| Robot101 | yeah, but now is the time people are planning their devices for 1 year's time or whatever | 19:45 |
| Robot101 | (or later) | 19:45 |
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| alterego | HAs anyone used QTranslate? | 19:47 |
| alterego | I had an itch to write a translator which used google translate and noticed it's already there. | 19:47 |
| timeless_mbp | seems like a pointless itch :) | 19:50 |
| alterego | Really? Well, it's an app. | 19:50 |
| alterego | Something that's easy | 19:50 |
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| frals | lcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=661038&postcount=177 | 19:50 |
| alterego | And if it's polished I'm sure someone will find a use for it. | 19:50 |
| alterego | I'm just at a lack of things to do. | 19:51 |
| Robot101 | frals: hrm, if you send the SMS via Telepathy, it gets logged automatically | 19:51 |
| lcuk | excellent frals | 19:52 |
| pupnik | lack of things alterego ? crazy talk :) | 19:54 |
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| alterego | Did anyone bother making an application wish list for the N900? | 19:54 |
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| alterego | The Android dop paid for applications list looks crap | 19:57 |
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| alterego | Why are so many people evangelising it? | 19:57 |
| pupnik | i'd like gqview semi-hildonized | 19:58 |
| alterego | Though, I suppose I'm not looking at the inbuilt functionality, which is probably better than the N900 ^.^ | 19:58 |
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| pupnik | a working graphical T.O.M.E. | 19:58 |
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| alterego | gqview looks like quite a complex app to hildonise tbh | 19:59 |
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| BCMM | what has to be done to hildonise something? | 19:59 |
| PhonicUK | does anyone know if the version of OpenTTD in the repos has the open art pack in it? | 20:00 |
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| pupnik | it's pretty usable un-hildonized alterego. hooray for those incremental improvements | 20:06 |
| alterego | Heh | 20:08 |
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| alterego | You just want a better photo view don't you :P | 20:08 |
| pupnik | random slideshow for porn | 20:10 |
| alterego | Sweet | 20:10 |
| pupnik | any of you using synergy to speed up use of n900 while testing? it has this weird thing where it starts not taking the ENTER key anymore | 20:10 |
| pupnik | was wondering if it's just my version | 20:11 |
| alterego | I was thinking, we could have a maemo community application stack, where we could replace maemo5-"desktop" and have "maemo.org-desktop" or something, and basically not have any of the Nokia components and just use our own ^.^ | 20:11 |
| SpeedEvil | yep | 20:11 |
| SpeedEvil | plz do! | 20:11 |
| SpeedEvil | I will sponsor you to complete this task. | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: yeah, and end up like me | 20:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Your choice of either a bananna or a potato. | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | good luck | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:12 |
| alterego | :) | 20:12 |
| SpeedEvil | If it's _really_ nice you can have both. | 20:12 |
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| alterego | Yeah, there's no reason why you can't have both. Though, my first idea would be to replace the phone-ui, so I'd need a phone-ui-switch program for people to be able to use either-or :) | 20:13 |
| alterego | So, looks like Androids app store is pretty crap .. | 20:14 |
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| alterego | (IMO) ;) | 20:14 |
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| cityLights | hi all | 20:21 |
| cityLights | can anyone please help me with this simple sh script issue? | 20:22 |
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| cityLights | http://dpaste.com/195301/ beyond lone 25 nothing works | 20:23 |
| cityLights | why? | 20:23 |
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| _llll_ | becasue of line 23 ? | 20:23 |
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| alterego | Heh | 20:23 |
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| alterego | cityLights: advice, write messages to stdout :P | 20:24 |
| cityLights | let me remove that line then | 20:24 |
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| _llll_ | cityLights: really bad idea to remove random lines "just in case", are you sure you know what you're doing here? | 20:24 |
| cityLights | guys, I dont have much expirince in scripting - obviusly | 20:25 |
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| cityLights | so I am seeking any help | 20:25 |
| _llll_ | that's fine, but random trial and error is not the way to anything but a broken system | 20:25 |
| cityLights | yes, this script is my own work | 20:25 |
| frals | adding -e to /bin/sh is pretty nice when debugging | 20:25 |
| _llll_ | line 19 looks a bit odd too | 20:25 |
| cityLights | http://dpaste.com/195302/ | 20:26 |
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| cityLights | line 30 doenst casue any text to appear in $LOG | 20:27 |
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| cityLights | but I used the syntax in /etc/init.d/openvpn - which works fine | 20:28 |
| cityLights | what am I missing? | 20:28 |
| cityLights | how to create a function in sh? | 20:28 |
| alterego | cityLights: well, what is your 'for' conditional actually iterating over | 20:29 |
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| alterego | And by conditional I obviously don't mean conditional :P | 20:29 |
| cityLights | I am printing out the arguments used when calling the script | 20:29 |
| alterego | Well, that would actually be: for arg in $*; | 20:30 |
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| cityLights | min pls, pastebining file | 20:31 |
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| cityLights | http://dpaste.com/195303/ | 20:32 |
| cityLights | is it clear now? | 20:32 |
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| cityLights | btw line 23 in the second pastebin - is not really relevent | 20:33 |
| cityLights | test -f $DAEMON || exit 0 | 20:33 |
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| PhonicUK | anyone know a good RTS for Maemo? | 20:35 |
| alterego | I guess the Qt 4.6.2 libraries in extras devel don't have QML support? | 20:35 |
| cityLights | _llll_: still here? | 20:35 |
| cityLights | alterego: here? | 20:36 |
| alterego | I'm always here ... | 20:36 |
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| omar | even... now? | 20:37 |
| cityLights | ok, so what did I wrote wrong? | 20:37 |
| omar | that sentence just now | 20:37 |
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| omar | should have been "what did I write wrong" | 20:37 |
| cityLights | correct | 20:38 |
| cityLights | and how about this: http://dpaste.com/195302/ | 20:38 |
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| _llll_ | cityLights: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/index.html is a good intro | 20:38 |
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| _llll_ | suggest you work through that a bit | 20:39 |
| kamui_ | man | 20:39 |
| kamui_ | I love albion | 20:39 |
| omar | hibernia ftw | 20:39 |
| cityLights | why doesnt the script run my case statment? | 20:39 |
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| frals | mids > albs | 20:39 |
| cityLights | _llll_: thnaks | 20:40 |
| omar | hibs > albs > mids | 20:40 |
| cityLights | can anyone here see anything wrong up to the case statment? | 20:40 |
| cityLights | come on | 20:40 |
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| omar | i dunno sh scripting syntax very well :( | 20:40 |
| cityLights | I work hard to achive that script | 20:41 |
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| omar | what's it do? | 20:41 |
| _llll_ | you've been given several pieces of advice | 20:41 |
| cityLights | and it workd up untill I changed from elif to case statment | 20:41 |
| _llll_ | all sorts of things could be happening | 20:41 |
| cityLights | but some ppl here must know sh scripting - right? | 20:41 |
| frals | cityLights: did you try with -e so you see the output of all vars? should help with what goes wrong... | 20:42 |
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| cityLights | min pls , frals | 20:42 |
| omar | wait... -e? so you'd type sh (scriptname) -e? | 20:42 |
| _llll_ | i'd use -xv | 20:42 |
| omar | i didn't know that could be done, glad you said that ;) | 20:43 |
| _llll_ | -e is exit as soon as a line returns non-zero | 20:43 |
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| omar | alliance > horde | 20:43 |
| _llll_ | -u is also quite nice (exit if a variable is unset) | 20:43 |
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| frals | uh, -x is what i meant yeah | 20:45 |
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| omar | _lll_ your name looks like a guy with a slit-like eyes and a comb-over in my irc font | 20:45 |
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| omar | is that what you were going for? | 20:46 |
| cityLights | thanks _llll_ for -xv | 20:46 |
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| _llll_ | omar: no. and there are four l's, not three | 20:47 |
| cityLights | is this line leagal: elif ! grep -q $TYPE $CON_FLAG ; then | 20:47 |
| cityLights | ? | 20:47 |
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| _llll_ | depends ont he value of $TYPE $CON_FLAG | 20:47 |
| _llll_ | if they are empty, then yes | 20:47 |
| omar | yeah i was too tired to hammer out that last l i'm about to pass out | 20:47 |
| alterego | Curses, no Python OpenGL bindings :( | 20:48 |
| omar | i should have just hit tab but ohw ell | 20:48 |
| cityLights | plain explain: if the connection type ($TYPE) is not the one in the file($CON_FLAG) do .... | 20:48 |
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| _llll_ | walrus | 20:49 |
| cityLights | so did I write it right | 20:50 |
| cityLights | _llll_: already found two errors | 20:50 |
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| cityLights | seems fine now | 20:57 |
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| cityLights | _llll_: I now got this working: http://dpaste.com/195327/ | 21:09 |
| cityLights | but why do I see: | 21:09 |
| cityLights | + args | 21:09 |
| cityLights | + Count=0 | 21:09 |
| _llll_ | line 21 shows a misunderstanding of syntax | 21:09 |
| cityLights | as if the script only ran the first line of args() ? | 21:10 |
| cityLights | you are right | 21:10 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:15 |
| alterego | Strange, Using the evolution python bindings I see 87 contacts, but when I look in my address book, there's over 200 contacts. | 21:15 |
| cityLights | _llll_: http://dpaste.com/195332/ still fails to issue args | 21:15 |
| cityLights | args() | 21:15 |
| cityLights | alterego: thanks for arg in $*; | 21:16 |
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| cityLights | funny how I didnt run the script using the arguments to debug it until now | 21:29 |
| cityLights | oh ya, does anyone here uses the SDK on a gentoo box? | 21:29 |
| rcg | cityLights: i do | 21:30 |
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| rcg | though i didn't use portage to install scratchbox | 21:30 |
| rcg | just installed the sdk as given in the generic linux description | 21:31 |
| cityLights | rcg: great, paitence make perfect | 21:31 |
| cityLights | hmm | 21:31 |
| cityLights | acording to the current wiki? | 21:31 |
| rcg | yeah | 21:31 |
| cityLights | ok, I did use portage , as I need it to update versions | 21:32 |
| cityLights | of scratchbox | 21:32 |
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| rcg | ic .. of course i did use portage for the first time to install scratchbox, though that somehow did not work out well so i got rid of that and followed the generic instructions given in the wiki | 21:34 |
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| rcg | well as some nice sideeffect i still have the init script from that ancient scratchbox installation in /etc/init.d which also works with the sb version i have installed at the moment ;) | 21:35 |
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| cityLights | rcg: I am still solving this sh script | 21:36 |
| cityLights | then I will try again to make scratchbox work | 21:36 |
| rcg | cityLights: ic .. if you are tired of messing with a non working sb just go with the instructions from the wiki ;) | 21:37 |
| cityLights | If I will get to that point I will file a bug and try to solve it | 21:37 |
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| cityLights | or not | 21:37 |
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| cityLights | depends on the amount of sleep , I can go without | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | And... installing android | 21:39 |
| pexi- | virtual sb image its the easy way | 21:39 |
| cityLights | I am a proud owner of a pentium 4 and a amd64 | 21:40 |
| cityLights | so no virtual magic | 21:40 |
| pexi- | :) | 21:40 |
| cityLights | maybe after I write my awesome application for the N900 and sell million's of copies... | 21:42 |
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| DaGame | има ли българи тука? | 21:44 |
| nsuffys | waiting my N900 day -4 :D yiihiii | 21:45 |
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| ManoftheSea | Just managed to lock up the n900 | 21:45 |
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| ManoftheSea | Dad called, I tried to answer... | 21:46 |
| ManoftheSea | call didn't meet | 21:47 |
| Scifi_ | Any UK folks out there? Congratulations on ICC World T20 win (#cricket) | 21:47 |
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| opdf2 | anyone here tried swype? | 21:54 |
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| yuizy_ | text input system | 22:05 |
| yuizy_ | for touch screens | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | bah, device isn't booting up | 22:05 |
| yuizy_ | http://www.swypeinc.com/ | 22:05 |
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| frals | what did you break lcuk? | 22:16 |
| lcuk | some code | 22:16 |
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| MohammadAG | it's just some code | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | I can't boot up! | 22:17 |
| lcuk | nor can i | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | well you have all night to fix it:P | 22:18 |
| frals | i love how dbus kills fmmsd if it doesnt return within x seconds | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | I have 30 minutes | 22:18 |
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| PhonicUK | hey all | 22:19 |
| PhonicUK | I just put Win 3.1 in dosbox xD | 22:19 |
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| korhojoa | PhonicUK: yeah, one of the first things people try with it, fun, eh? | 22:23 |
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| PhonicUK | its funny | 22:23 |
| PhonicUK | i dunno why i didn't do this earlier | 22:24 |
| PhonicUK | Skyroads works really well :D | 22:24 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, got it fixed? | 22:52 |
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| JakubS_ | hello | 22:57 |
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| JakubS_ | is there any way to make n900 media player handle rtspt:// links? gstreamer can play them just fine, but rtspt:// link on webpage will be ignored | 22:58 |
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| shikamaru | hello there | 23:00 |
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| Dima202 | I've heard there was a way to stream video to n900 instead of actually copying it or using a shared drive. Can someone point me in the right direction? | 23:01 |
| shikamaru | upnp ? | 23:01 |
| shikamaru | you could set up coherence on your pc and then use a upnp client on your n900 | 23:01 |
| shikamaru | don’t know if there are any atm however | 23:02 |
| shikamaru | for more info about coherence see http://coherence-project.org/ | 23:02 |
| JakubS_ | or ps3mediaserver or any dlna media server | 23:03 |
| shikamaru | or mediatomb | 23:03 |
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| JakubS_ | start media server somewhere on lan and run n900 media player - you will see server's name in lower bottom corner of the screen | 23:04 |
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| Dima202 | oh, ok i think i am getting the idea | 23:05 |
| JakubS_ | you may have problems with codecs though. For example h264 works only with baseline profile, so you will probably won't be able to play most of stuff downloaded from internet | 23:06 |
| Dima202 | damn, any work around? | 23:07 |
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| JakubS_ | only recoding. baseline thing is limitation of DSP used for hw acceleration | 23:10 |
| JakubS_ | ffmpeg works great for that. Also some mediaservers (like ps3mediaserver) can do recoding on the fly (if the computer is fast enough) | 23:10 |
| JakubS_ | does n900 support seeking in rtsp streams (not live of course) ? | 23:12 |
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| _llll_ | mplayer perhaps | 23:15 |
| shikamaru | does someone know if it’s possible to export the n900 calendar to some exchange format like ical ? | 23:15 |
| JakubS_ | _llll_: i tried using mplayer for playback of h264 video. It does not support hw acceleration so I got slideshow instead | 23:15 |
| Robot101 | shikamaru: if you install SyncEvolution from Maemo Extras you can sync the in-built calendar to syncml services | 23:16 |
| _llll_ | hmm, i rmember someone saying somethig about h264 on n900, but i forget what. maybe just that it doesnt work well for hardware reasons | 23:16 |
| shikamaru | ok thanks I’ll take a look at this then :) | 23:16 |
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| JakubS_ | _llll_: just stick to baseline profile and it works well enough. Well, until you try to use it in .ts files | 23:17 |
| JakubS_ | i have nice ffmpeg preset to make files playable in n900 and motorola milestone (android 2.1) | 23:18 |
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| _llll_ | what kind of files? | 23:19 |
| JakubS_ | h264/aac. Works well in .mp4 container. Mpeg2-ts unfortunately requires custom gstreamer filter | 23:20 |
| JakubS_ | it is part of my iPhone segmented streaming->n900 proxy | 23:21 |
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| JakubS_ | any idea why n900 pretends to be Real Player when streaming from rtsp? | 23:28 |
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| Stskeeps | because it might actually b.e. | 23:29 |
| JakubS_ | impossible, media backend is gstreamer | 23:29 |
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| JakubS_ | besides realplayer works much better on rtsp (UDP) than n900 | 23:31 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps, lbt: where are the logs for extras packages 'obs build failures? | 23:42 |
| javispedro | (if they're public, ofc) | 23:43 |
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