IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2010-05-15

rcg1	i had some wrong entries in my control files, and corrected these but for some reasons maemo.org/packages is not picking up the corrected values	00:00
rcg1	it keeps displaying the some incorrect values from older releases	00:00
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MohammadAG	hmm, when I change entries they get auto updated	00:01
rcg1	*-some	00:01
MohammadAG	did you check after a day or so?	00:01
rcg1	yep	00:01
MohammadAG	the importer runs on xx:05 and xx:35 each hour	00:01
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MohammadAG	smoku had that problem with UAE4ALL	00:02
rcg1	http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/ant/1.8.1-2/	00:02
rcg1	aye ic	00:02
rcg1	its just from time to time i start again to fiddle about that problem but can't seem to find a solution	00:03
MohammadAG	rcg1, what did you change?	00:04
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rcg1	bugtracker link and description	00:04
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rcg1	http://pastebin.com/K8egn6eJ	00:06
rcg1	thats what the extracted control file looks like	00:06
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rcg1	i have the suspicion that it is stumbling over some buggy control file from an older version	00:07
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rcg1	the control file looks ok to me	00:07
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MohammadAG	rcg1, sometimes the importer f's up, I'd suggest leaving X-Fade a PM and he'll prolly have a look @ it	00:09
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frals	are you bumping version number for each version you upload as well?	00:10
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rcg1	alright .. then i'll have to bother him again .. thanks for your help!	00:10
rcg1	frals: yes	00:10
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rcg1	well i.e. the build number	00:10
MohammadAG	frals, wouldn't it get rejected if he doesn't?	00:11
frals	no idea, just throwing it out there ;P	00:11
MohammadAG	Damn ZAGG keep spamming my inbox with iStuff	00:11
rcg1	exactly .. just typing to slow ;)	00:11
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rcg1	i don't know if it is important ... i am also missing the "Old version cleaned by repository management" messages for the offending package	00:14
rcg1	http://maemo.org/packages/view/clojure/ <-- this package has nearly the same history as the offending ant package but behaves very well so far	00:15
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frals	impressive how you managed to get different version in armel/i386 of ant :)	00:15
creatix	mass chat test, can u please join:	00:17
creatix	http://tinychat.com/pugquit	00:17
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rcg1	frals: yeah .. blame me there for having no clue ;)	00:17
rcg1	also thought it might be because of these different versions etc. but as you see the clojure package looks the same and is not problematic	00:18
yabba	can't add that bugtracker manually, it will broke MD5	00:19
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Jaffa	X-Fade: urgent ping	00:23
rcg1	yabba: you could manually update md5sums and filesizes in the changes and dsc files but this wouldnt be very pragmatic imho	00:23
rcg1	yabba: might go with pypackager directly?	00:24
Jaffa	bergie: alternative ping	00:24
rcg1	yabba: http://gitorious.org/pypackager/pypackager/blobs/master/pypackager.py <-- see the bottom of the file	00:25
bergie	Jaffa: pong	00:25
Jaffa	bergie: Trying to save a new article under maemo.org/community/council/ and was getting "the given internal name was not 'clean', try ..." - but I don't have an internal name field, it's auto-derived it from my first title.	00:25
bergie	Jaffa: what was your title?	00:26
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rcg1	yabba: or see http://gitorious.org/pygtkeditor/pygtkeditor/blobs/master/make.py for a more sophisticated example	00:26
Jaffa	bergie: just tried creating a new article with the title: "maemo.org: this sprint and beyond meeting - Monday 17th May 13:00 UTC"	00:27
Jaffa	bergie: And I get: "Given name is not "clean", try 'maemo-org-this_sprint_and_beyond_meeting-monday_17th_may_13-00_utc'"	00:27
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Jaffa	bergie: Any hint as to which character to avoid?	00:27
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yabba	rcg1, so I start to learn use pypackager then :/	00:28
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bergie	Jaffa: let me check what the config on "clean URL names" says there	00:28
Jaffa	bergie: Limited myself to alphanumerics, space and ':'. Got the damend thing up	00:28
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Jaffa	bergie: If I can't edit the URL/internal name, I really don't give a damn how it auto-cleans it ;-)	00:29
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rcg1	yabba: .. the only thing which looked in your py2deb script a little bit differently as compared to mine is that you have only a single line description in " while i have multiline descriptions in """	00:29
bergie	Jaffa: ok, can you file me a bug to check the config there?	00:29
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rcg1	yabba: you could also give that a try first but i don't know if thats the issue	00:31
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Dima202	hm	00:33
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crashanddie	lmao, Shapeshifter is such a plonker	00:36
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yabba	rcg1, there is 2 things to try (before I try pyPackager), I changed that description to multiline and update the py2deb (I find out that there were newer version in -devel).	00:36
yabba	damn, moskitos!	00:36
Shapeshifter	crashanddie: heh	00:37
Shapeshifter	crashanddie: proud of it	00:37
crashanddie	Jaffa: it's the :, methinks	00:37
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crashanddie	Jaffa: or -	00:38
crashanddie	Shapeshifter: please don't post utter crap about IDEs like you did on TMO	00:38
crashanddie	Shapeshifter: some people might actually read you and think you're insightful	00:38
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Shapeshifter	crashanddie: I usually don't comment on stuff on tmo, but after having to work with eclipse for two months I couldn't miss the chance to rant.	00:39
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crashanddie	oh wow, a whole 2 months eh?	00:39
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crashanddie	I've been using it for the past 3 bloody years, and couldn't commend it enough	00:39
Shapeshifter	crashanddie: half of the time it's useful and assistive, the other half of the time it comes in your way being annoying.	00:40
rcg1	yabba: let me know how it goes ;)	00:40
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Shapeshifter	crashanddie: different tastes I guess.	00:40
yabba	rcg1, yep	00:40
Shapeshifter	if you swear on it, go on	00:40
crashanddie	Shapeshifter: indeed, taste, no need to crap on it because it doesn't match your tastes	00:40
Shapeshifter	crashanddie: is it slow?	00:40
crashanddie	Shapeshifter: there's a difference between saying "This doesn't taste very nice", and "This is horseshit"	00:40
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Shapeshifter	crashanddie: well some people like horseshit I guess.	00:41
hawai`i	lmfao	00:41
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crashanddie	Shapeshifter: no, it isn't slow, get a decent computer ffs	00:41
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crashanddie	Shapeshifter: say what you think all you want, just don't insult good developers because they use a tool	00:42
Shapeshifter	crashanddie: look. Eclipse - imo - is a total mess. It's slow, it's buggy and it offends all basic principles of cleanness. It ships with its own stupid package manager, it comes in your way constantly and if you're caught in the illusion of it being helpful, you might wanna go without it for a couple of months and you'll see that you never really needed it.	00:42
Shapeshifter	crashanddie: it isn't slow? oh come on...	00:42
crashanddie	Shapeshifter: claiming eclipse is a tool that "helps mediocre programmers not get lost in a medium sized business application"	00:43
Shapeshifter	takes like half a minute to load on a decent machine	00:43
crashanddie	is just insulting a whole load of people	00:43
Shapeshifter	crashanddie: I admit it is	00:43
Shapeshifter	sorry about that	00:43
crashanddie	Shapeshifter: unlike what, vc++? Takes exactly the same amount of time	00:43
Shapeshifter	couldn't help it. but don't go around saying it isn't slow.	00:43
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crashanddie	Shapeshifter: any program with such a codebase is going to be slow. Isn't that like saying a tank is useless because it isn't as fast as a racecar?	00:44
yabba	rcg1, lol'd I think it was that description...	00:44
Shapeshifter	interesting analogy. oh, but tanks only destroy things, so I guess I'll have to ignore that.	00:44
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SpeedEvil	Tanks can also build bridges.	00:45
crashanddie	SpeedEvil: that tank is insane, btw	00:45
crashanddie	SpeedEvil: the one from the british engineers?	00:45
crashanddie	whatever the division is called	00:46
SpeedEvil	crashanddie: There has been a long-history of engineering tanks. Back to their invention	00:46
rcg1	yabba: lol, ok .. well good if it works now :)	00:46
Shapeshifter	crashanddie: btw, there's some thing I noticed. Maybe I'm wrong or didn't notice anything, but it seems like there's almost no good piece of software written in java. if you leave out eclipse and netbeans which are both debatable, there's not much left.	00:46
Shapeshifter	I think there's a streaming server that sounded reasonable	00:47
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Shapeshifter	but it seemed to me like software written in java tends to be rather bad.	00:47
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Shapeshifter	Any clues for other good software written in java?	00:47
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Shapeshifter	(because honestly I just don't know much)	00:47
* SpeedEvil uses JOSM a fair bit.		00:48
crashanddie	Shapeshifter: altitude, we feel fine	00:48
SpeedEvil	http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ - java openstreetmap editor	00:48
budfive	SpeedEvil: I feel that's despite its JAVA-ness, not because of it	00:48
crashanddie	Shapeshifter: also, a lot of enterprise software is written in Java, not that I expect you to understand that anything beyond what you see could be good	00:49
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Shapeshifter	crashanddie: I admit I haven't had much contact with enterprise software (except of a few months using some customer database software, not developing it) but my impressions are that business software is usually writte without much care for "goodness" but rather "get it done"	00:50
Shapeshifter	which is kinda understandable because much of it is a bit boring.	00:50
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crashanddie	Shapeshifter: websphere is an amazing piece of code, as is Jboss, let's not even mention xerces or intellij, azureus, jedit, go grinder, squirrel, sweet home 3d, runescape, aerith, genj, visual vm, jalbum :)	00:52
rcg1	Shapeshifter: do you consider only end user software?	00:53
crashanddie	to be honest, I wouldn't even think of writing anything in Java unless it'll use Jboss or webspher	00:53
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Shapeshifter	crashanddie: I see you have a lot more experience than I do	00:53
Shapeshifter	rcg1: I consider only what I know ;)	00:53
rcg1	Shapeshifter: hehe ic	00:53
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crashanddie	Shapeshifter: check out www.wefeelfine.org it's a bit CPU intensive, but definitely worth a look (and sadly, the flash implementation is even worse)	00:54
rcg1	Shapeshifter: personally i like ant, junit, swt, swtbot quite well	00:54
crashanddie	Shapeshifter: also, have a look at processing.org very nice project, very nice ideas	00:54
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rcg1	and clojure looks also interesting	00:54
Shapeshifter	crashanddie: that "we feel fine" is incredibly slow.	00:55
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crashanddie	also heaps of information going around :)	00:55
crashanddie	runs fine on my computer though	00:55
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crashanddie	Shapeshifter: also: http://thewhalehunt.org/	00:56
crashanddie	ah crap, it's flash	00:56
Shapeshifter	maybe it's because I have openjdk on this box.	00:56
Shapeshifter	but it's a c2d 6850. kinda doubt it's much slower than yours.	00:56
crashanddie	ah yes, I run sun jre	00:57
crashanddie	and only have a 2.6ghz c2d	00:57
crashanddie	but if you check the whale hunt, you'll notice it's dog slow as well, just because of the massive amount of information being displayed	00:57
crashanddie	timeline is the way to display it, btw	00:58
crashanddie	(bottom right corner)	00:58
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Shapeshifter	I don't really get it. it's like a slide show	00:59
Shapeshifter	with tags	01:00
crashanddie	yeah, he had a camera attached to his torso, and it would take more pictures based on his heartrate	01:00
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crashanddie	so the more excited he got, the more often it would take pictures	01:00
crashanddie	in timeline you can actually see, in a kind of pulse wave format where the actual whale killing went on	01:01
crashanddie	another project of Jon is this: http://universe.daylife.com/	01:01
crashanddie	but if wff.o was slow for you, don't even bother opening this one	01:01
crashanddie	there's so many people contributing to it, I can't even run it decently	01:01
SpeedEvil	budfive: Well - the other editor is flash.	01:02
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SpeedEvil	budfive: Which is actually quite OK. - it's written using an open-source toolchain	01:02
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Shapeshifter	so now we know that java is pretty slow?	01:02
crashanddie	nha, it would be slow in any language, really	01:03
crashanddie	unless maybe C	01:03
Shapeshifter	well at least it's cross platform I guess....	01:03
crashanddie	but any portable language would be slow	01:03
budfive	SpeedEvil: I tried to love merkaartor, but it was way too bug-ridden	01:03
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budfive	SpeedEvil: Last time I looked at this (maybe 4 months ago) it did seem like josm was easily the best of the bunch	01:03
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Shapeshifter	crashanddie: do you know a better java visual framework than swing?	01:04
Shapeshifter	swing is awful.	01:04
rcg1	Shapeshifter: swt	01:04
rcg1	it provides native look and feel	01:04
crashanddie	Shapeshifter: I've never done much in terms of GUI with Java, unless I was drawing everything myself	01:04
crashanddie	Shapeshifter: and then again, I would just go through processing	01:05
crashanddie	(processing.org)	01:05
Shapeshifter	thanks	01:05
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rcg1	btw. the just in time compiler provides a decent speed up	01:06
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crashanddie	Shapeshifter: here's another pretty fun project: demonstrates a java app that searches for tweets with specific sentences to show airflight: http://vimeo.com/4583713	01:08
Arkenoi	is there a desktop software functionally similar to Mussorgsky?	01:08
rcg1	crashanddie: ain't processing more for "graphical effects" .. thats what o saw from it so far	01:08
rcg1	*i	01:08
crashanddie	rcg1: look at video above, is done using processing	01:08
crashanddie	rcg1: but yeah, the primary goal of processing is to allow developers to do "art" by typing code	01:09
Shapeshifter	crashanddie: well those are all nice ideas and concepts but I was more referring to applications you might use every day. those don't seem to be written in java very often (well except of business applications)	01:09
rcg1	crashanddie: hehe yeah thats what i meant ;)	01:09
crashanddie	Shapeshifter: because they're not meant to?	01:09
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crashanddie	Shapeshifter: I don't see java as a language that would suit most apps for desktop usage, and I don't think anyone who understands java does	01:10
rcg1	crashanddie: i always become jealous because of these neat effects	01:10
crashanddie	Shapeshifter: it's like writing a torrent tracker in PHP. Sure, you can do it, but would you run it? Probably not	01:10
Shapeshifter	crashanddie: what is it good for then, where most other oo languages would be less suited?	01:10
crashanddie	Shapeshifter: Java, for me, allows for quick prototyping, and having fun whether I'm on my mac, my windows box, or my Linux VM	01:11
Shapeshifter	okay.	01:11
rcg1	Shapeshifter: if you look for a swing (or even awt) replacement you might take a look at SWT .. its imo a pretty neat solution	01:11
Shapeshifter	so like python for me	01:11
crashanddie	it allows me to send some source code through to a friend, knowing that he just needs to dump it in eclipse, and I know it'll run	01:11
crashanddie	also, it allows my customers to run my code, because I know they all run websphere 6.x, so I know that I just need to zip up an EAR file, and they can deploy it	01:11
crashanddie	these are people who run mainframes on triple or quadruple books (each book = roughly $100k)	01:12
crashanddie	they don't care if java is 95 or 97% the speed of C	01:12
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Shapeshifter	crashanddie: so would you want to run eclipse on your n900?	01:12
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crashanddie	because the amount of shit you get in with error handling in C, or the difficulty of matching up correct library versions on solaris, zlinux, and whatnot is just madness	01:13
crashanddie	Shapeshifter: definitely not	01:13
Arkenoi	well, i ran eclipse on 500MHz PA-RISC	01:13
Arkenoi	the speed was quite decent	01:13
Shapeshifter	crashanddie: well at least we can agree on that :>	01:13
crashanddie	Shapeshifter: for the same reason i wouldn't want outlook or thunderbird on my n900	01:13
crashanddie	or openoffice, for that matter	01:14
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crashanddie	Shapeshifter: java is about a whole lot more than speed	01:14
crashanddie	it's a shame the speed junkies can't wrap their head around that	01:14
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crashanddie	</rant>	01:15
crashanddie	did I earn a cookie?	01:15
rcg1	lol	01:15
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crashanddie	thanks	01:16
MohammadAG	now trademark it and start selling mobiles	01:16
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MohammadAG	cPhone	01:16
crashanddie	yipee	01:16
crashanddie	cunt Phone?	01:16
MohammadAG	well	01:16
MohammadAG	crashanddie, cookie, cunt, whatever you want	01:17
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MohammadAG	the first 1 was a suggestion not a ping	01:17
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SpeedEvil	oops	01:18
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DrWilken	Speed -> :D	01:21
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heoa	anyone has full debian apt-get in n810L	02:11
heoa	?	02:11
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PhonicUK	hey all	02:14
PhonicUK	anyone know a good theme? something blue...	02:14
PhonicUK	maybe a blue version of the human theme	02:15
SpeedEvil	avatar?	02:15
SpeedEvil	smurf?	02:15
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PhonicUK	avatar is an awesome film	02:16
PhonicUK	i cant wait to play the game in 3D	02:16
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PhonicUK	are those themes in the repos?	02:17
heoa	anyone chrooted OpenBSD to N810?	02:18
SpeedEvil	I was simply suggesting things along the blue human theme.	02:18
PhonicUK	oh dear...	02:19
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pigeon	where are all the user desktop configuration/desktop file stored?	02:32
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SpeedEvil	/home/user/.purple/	02:47
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hcm	SpeedEvil: that directory doesn't even exist for me…	02:52
hcm	pigeon: are you looking for *.desktop files?	02:52
hcm	try "find / -name	02:52
hcm	sorry… find / -name "*.desktop" \| less	02:53
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lcukn900	damn windows xchat	03:17
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Funnyface	I am not asking "how" just whether it is possible or not, I want to stream video live from my N900 camera, and let people watch the video live on a flash video player or anything similar. can qik do that, or does it only allow me to record a video clip, then upload it afterwards?	03:58
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Funnyface	nevermind, I figured it out :)	04:01
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* DocScrutinizer HAZ MAKE COOKIE FOR CRASHANDDIE, BUT I HAZ EATED IT		04:09
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DocScrutinizer	GAN900: ping	04:38
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DocScrutinizer	~seen javispedro	04:38
infobot	javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 6h 15m 4s ago, saying: 'rootfs'.	04:38
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DocScrutinizer	o.O	04:39
njsf_	~seen njsf	04:39
infobot	njsf <~njsf@ool-182caa3e.dyn.optonline.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 10d 2h 32m 52s ago, saying: 're'.	04:39
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njsf_	~seen njsf_	04:39
infobot	njsf_ is currently on #maemo (30m 51s) #meego (30m 51s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen njsf_'.	04:39
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njsf_	LOL	04:39
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DocScrutinizer	~spank njsf_	04:40
* infobot bends njsf_ over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on njsf_'s pasty white buttocks.		04:40
DocScrutinizer	now for the science part, here psychology, research about self-(un)consciousness	04:44
DocScrutinizer	~seen infobot	04:44
infobot	infobot is currently on #utos (1d 21h 59m 33s) #asterisk-doc (1d 21h 59m 33s) ##t42 (1d 21h 59m 33s) #maemo (1d 21h 59m 33s) #fredlug (1d 21h 59m 33s) ##ols (1d 21h 59m 33s) #flyspray (1d 21h 59m 33s) #asterisk-dev (1d 21h 59m 33s) #webos-internals (1d 21h 59m 33s) #opensimpad.org (1d 21h 59m 33s) #asterisk (1d 21h 59m 33s) #byumug (1d 21h 59m 33s) ...	04:44
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njsf_	sorry just back from the tattoo removal service	04:53
DocScrutinizer	:-D	04:53
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Arkenoi	media player alphabetic sort just SUCKS. the person who invented this "feature" must be fucking out of his mind.	05:14
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GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer, pong?	05:18
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DocScrutinizer	GeneralAntilles: you're 'council'?	05:19
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, why?	05:19
DocScrutinizer	GeneralAntilles: http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Developer_Device_Queue - request for benevolent support	05:20
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GeneralAntilles	Ah, yeah, Quim supposedly got devices for that	05:20
GeneralAntilles	I never heard where they went, though.	05:20
DocScrutinizer	I dunno if editing a wikipage is just enough	05:21
DocScrutinizer	so I thought I ping a few of those to whom it may concern	05:22
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DocScrutinizer	My own device might see another outtime of 2 weeks next future (to repair a silly simple switch)	05:23
GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer, yeah, remind me to poke the list if I don't do it by Sunday.	05:24
GeneralAntilles	I'll see if I can chase down the status.	05:24
DocScrutinizer	k	05:24
DocScrutinizer	thanks	05:24
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GAN900	Thanks for poking me.	05:27
DocScrutinizer	Arkenoi: media player sucks by virtually all aspects of UI design - and the tracker concept sucks the most	05:27
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DocScrutinizer	Arkenoi: I hate it, when braindamaged mediaplayer/tracker-index ignores my carefully maintained directory tree to sort p0rn away from lolcatz, and the first 67 "photos" are the buttons of my IRreco remote GUI	05:31
DocScrutinizer	that's so _incredibly_ idiotic, it doesn't even come by surprise when tracker also sucks a whole battery flat for doing this useless job - and developers didn't notice neither the inherent idiocy of the concept nor the broken implementation	05:33
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GAN900	lol	05:34
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Arkenoi	DocScrutinizer, tracker may also wake up while you are scp'ing media files to the phone and slow everything down trying to index incomplete ones	05:35
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DocScrutinizer	sure, it's fubar by design	05:35
Arkenoi	or it may just wake up for now reason while you are watching movie and cause jerky playback due to io bottleneck	05:36
DocScrutinizer	like trying to fight headache by building pyramids	05:36
Arkenoi	for no reason even	05:36
GAN900	They should have an X18-M addon for the N900+1. :P	05:37
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Termana	hey hey	05:59
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lcuk	hey Termana you are chirpy this morning	06:02
lcuk	3 different signins on 3 different chans, impressive	06:03
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Termana	hey lcuk! 6 channels actually :P I have so many rooms I have to say hello in, I'm wondering weather I should even bother anymore :P	06:03
lcuk	sorry, 4 :p	06:03
lcuk	<Termana> hello	06:03
lcuk	<Termana> hey hey	06:03
lcuk	<Termana> yello	06:03
lcuk	<Termana> heidy ho	06:03
lcuk	Termana, i like your variety	06:04
lcuk	greeter bots would welcome such a selection	06:04
B-man\|N900	lol	06:04
Termana	lol :P	06:04
B-man\|N900	lcuk: have you seen that new iron man movie? :)	06:04
lcuk	no, couldnt afford to go pictures	06:04
* B-man\|N900 just saw it		06:04
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B-man\|N900	ah :(	06:05
lcuk	cool	06:05
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B-man\|N900	lcuk: i'm assuming that it's 3:08pm there?	06:08
B-man\|N900	*am	06:08
lcuk	+1hr	06:08
B-man\|N900	jeez	06:08
lcuk	i was in bed for an hour or so	06:09
B-man\|N900	i dont think i could handle only 1 hour of sleep - i would be crazy the next day lol	06:11
Termana	lcuk, is this something you do often?	06:11
lcuk	i didnt sleep thats the point	06:11
lcuk	Termana, being awake @ silly oclock?	06:11
Termana	lcuk, yes and not sleeping	06:11
lcuk	yeah tho 4am doesnt get seen by me often any more really	06:12
Termana	I can help you with that sleeping problem if you like	06:12
* Termana grabs the hammer		06:12
lcuk	heh its been a problem for 15 or so years ;)	06:13
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lcuk	i just dont always type in here so late :p	06:13
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B-man\|N900	lcuk: i'm guessing this is when you get most of your code work done? :)	06:15
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lcuk	B-man\|N900, its when my mind starts building things, whether its code or sandcastles doesn't much matter. its when i organise the thoughts of the day	06:18
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B-man\|N900	ah ;)	06:19
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DocScrutinizer	hmm, dawn. End of the nice quite dark period	06:27
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DocScrutinizer	anyway sleep is overrated	06:28
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luke-jr	DocScrutinizer: only when you're single	06:30
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DocScrutinizer	hmm, probably my english is too technical to get the ambiguity/pun	06:32
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DocScrutinizer	whatever, I'm married with my gadgets, and they don't care about my timezone, and most of them don't have any preferences about when to 'sleep' if they do at all	06:35
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B-man\|N900	gah, next week is going to be crazy :(	06:35
B-man\|N900	i have to do a GIS analysis project for the iceland volcano :P	06:35
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DocScrutinizer	GIS?	06:36
B-man\|N900	Geospatial Information Systems	06:36
DocScrutinizer	hehe	06:36
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B-man\|N900	it's a mouth full i know xD	06:36
type_t	what program is used for rendering GIS Open Source or other?	06:37
DocScrutinizer	maybe you find the volcano does a very slow foxtrot	06:37
B-man\|N900	Qgis perhaps?	06:37
B-man\|N900	hehe	06:38
* B-man\|N900 uses ArcMap		06:38
B-man\|N900	and STK8 (sattelite tool kit)	06:38
B-man\|N900	*satellite	06:38
B-man\|N900	gah - i need sleep :(	06:39
B-man\|N900	DocScrutinizer: interesting thing that i saw was the ash cloud being sucked into a weather system xD	06:40
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type_t	are dimonds coming up yet?	06:42
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B-man\|N900	lol, no - but i thought i saw a little lava in the rim	06:45
* DocScrutinizer51 wonders if diamonds aren't supposed to burn when in red glowing 1000C hot lava		06:45
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type_t	but if the lava finds a way out through the side of the volcano . it can colapse and cause a inplosion.	06:49
type_t	followed by another big-bang-theory	06:50
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nick3232	hello	07:49
nick3232	i followed the wiki link	07:49
nick3232	and i need help with the n900 please	07:49
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nick3232	hello?	07:51
ZogG	everyone died in apocalypse	07:52
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pronto	^	08:01
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phish3	alright people I'm in a pickle - its about time for a new smartphone (still on a g1) and I'd really like what I believe is going to be called an n920... whatever it is, the successor to the n900	08:06
phish3	question is when will such a phone be out	08:06
phish3	projections are fine	08:06
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Surfa	apparently you don't need a phone in near future?	08:14
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pigeon	hmm, this might not the right place, but i just tried to register on maemo.org, got the e-mail, but when i tried to login to complete the registration, i got "Error: Could Not Get User".	08:44
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`0660	phish3, i wouldn't expect the next model to be available before xmas	08:49
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`0660	but that is just my guess	08:49
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`0660	i think there were at least rumours if not pictures of n900 in May last year. It was announced around August, and my pre-order was delivered in January	08:54
Stskeeps	i don't get those '920' rumours	08:54
Stskeeps	there's a lot of misinformation out on shady blogs that has no merit whatsoever	08:55
`0660	so it can easily take about eight months from first pictures to deliveries	08:55
`0660	Stskeeps, rumours generate visitors :)	08:56
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pigeon	i wonder if this app actually exists: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CcfG5uxSOw	09:47
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Funnyfacemob	nice	09:48
Funnyfacemob	it probably does	09:48
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phish3	`0660: damn thats a while off	09:55
phish3	Surfa: I have a g1 right now... I want a signifcantly better one tho	09:56
`0660	yeah	09:56
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phish3	haven't used an n900 myself but given its hw specs its going to have a haaaaard time competing in the recent android saturation with snapdragon	09:56
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phish3	I was thinking nokia might up the anty to be back on competing specs earlier but even in that sense I'm thinking it wouldn't until summer at the very least	09:57
phish3	I could wait that long I think ....	09:57
Funnyfacemob	the hardware isn't great, but maemo is lovely and the hardware is by far "good enough", I think anything more powerful is just overkill	09:57
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phish3	see I'm wanting an almost tablet that can do normal video without any bullcrap and thats what omap4/next class of hardware solves	09:58
* ShadowJK suspects the next device will at most be a omap3 @ 720MHz		09:58
phish3	eek	09:58
phish3	btw how's the pdf reader operate on the n900?	09:59
phish3	my g1 is dirt slow for that but it seems more recent phones on android do well, but if the pdf reader didn't receve enough tlc it can be slow/buggy...	10:00
Funnyfacemob	it has loaded anything I've tried, and with the high resolution of the display it looks good	10:00
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phish3	cool I got burned on pdfs with the g1, took a while for them to come out with the app alone and it sucked for a long while	10:01
phish3	know if its poppler based?	10:01
Funnyfacemob	I haven't tested it properly, so I don't know how it would handle a 200MB catalogue :P	10:02
phish3	haha, yea I'm just hoping 10-40 mB docs work ok	10:02
`0660	phish3, i'm quite happy with the video on n900 already. it seemed to have no problems even with 720p video when i tested it	10:03
phish3	720p h264?	10:03
phish3	hows battery life when doing so?	10:03
`0660	i'm not sure about the codec	10:04
`0660	i only played it for a couple of minutes	10:04
phish3	ah	10:04
`0660	i use television to watch my series :)	10:04
phish3	yea again i know if you come at it from a well its a phone standpoint most of this is unneeded	10:04
phish3	I'm coming at it from a tablet perspective	10:04
`0660	also haven't had any trouble with pdfs	10:05
Funnyfacemob	from a fully charged battery I can use the device on wifi for chatting and some web browsing for something like 4-5 hours	10:05
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phish3	not bad	10:06
phish3	I'm used to about 2 hrs with heavy browsing on my g1 tops	10:06
phish3	heavy web browsing or gps rather	10:07
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phish3	all said and done I'll probably crap out and get an evo or nexus given timing constraints... it'd be great if nokia pulled out before I move tho, I could wait a month or two I suppose... I'd really like to throw my money at them :D	10:09
phish3	<3 qt	10:09
Funnyfacemob	is the g1 HTC?	10:09
phish3	ya, bastardization name for htc dream	10:09
Funnyfacemob	I got about that same battery time with my 2 HTC devices too	10:10
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phish3	my friends got a nexus (htc also) and it performs and has much better battery life	10:10
Funnyfacemob	nokia always made power efficient phones.. they could sit on standby for over 2 weeks without running out of power :P	10:11
phish3	I really hate the lack of storage on it though and even so java apps still have too many gc (pausing) and apps can be uncooperative in memory sharing	10:11
* Stskeeps usually gets a whole day of n900 interaction before putting it on charger when i go to sleep		10:11
phish3	I think thats standard behavior these days	10:12
phish3	but good to know non the less	10:12
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phish3	btw how good is the mapping app?	10:13
phish3	er maps app	10:14
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phish3	even the nexus one leaves me sometimes wanting the more traditional standlone gps devices	10:14
Funnyfacemob	on the N900 there is plenty of space	10:14
Funnyfacemob	there is an offline	10:15
phish3	and with g1 pauses I've almost gotten in accidents a few times heh	10:15
Funnyfacemob	err.. misclick	10:15
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Funnyfacemob	offline (maps loaded on to the memory card) turn by turn navigation program called sygic	10:15
phish3	I can definitely appreciate an offline mode	10:16
Funnyfacemob	similar to tomtom on winmo	10:16
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phish3	far too many network related issues happen when searching on google maps app	10:16
* microlith attempts to create a widget and gets stuck at the last step		10:16
Funnyfacemob	but it is not free, costs 39 euro I think	10:16
Funnyfacemob	hehe	10:17
Funnyfacemob	also, you have a nokia maps application which erm.. wants an internet connection, but also seems to work without one if you deny it a connection	10:18
phish3	haha	10:18
phish3	gotta wonder how that works	10:18
phish3	caching I suppose for the most part...	10:19
Funnyfacemob	it probably has a cache of recently loaded bits or something	10:19
Funnyfacemob	maybe someone else can answer that	10:19
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Funnyfacemob	anyway I am not really missing a single thing on my n900	10:20
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phish3	btw audio player play ogg out of the box?	10:21
Funnyfacemob	just minor details like.. they could have given it some hardware buttons on the front panel for answering calls and such without sliding out the keyboard	10:22
phish3	I absolutely despised palm for not allowing oggs to be played despite including the relevant libraries in the runtime	10:22
Funnyfacemob	but it obviously has touch screen buttons	10:22
Funnyfacemob	haven't tried ogg, but I've seen ogg listed in the reposies so chances are it won't	10:23
Funnyfacemob	should only take 30 secs to fix it though	10:23
phish3	well apt-getting something (it uses apt right?) isn't a problem	10:23
phish3	as long as it still works with the official media player	10:23
phish3	I suppose with the more open environment there might be alternative media players but I'm not interested that much in configuring the phone	10:24
Funnyfacemob	it has its own application manager GUI, don't know what backend it uses :p	10:24
phish3	ah	10:25
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Funnyfacemob	what do you think of android then?	10:27
Funnyfacemob	I have only tried an unofficial semi working port on a winmo device :P	10:28
phish3	well I have an outdated experience	10:28
Funnyfacemob	seems to be a bit more intended for being used as a "phone" OS than maemo	10:29
phish3	due to limited romspace of the g1/dream I cannot load 2.0+	10:29
Funnyfacemob	hmm	10:29
phish3	I don't know about that	10:29
phish3	I can see it being used on tablets (I've programmed a number of apps for it at an older job)	10:29
Funnyfacemob	can't you install it to the microsd partition or something?	10:29
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phish3	nope	10:29
genewitch	does anyone here know how upnp works? is there a package /script that lets me request a upnp port from a router via command line?	10:30
phish3	anyway I currently use cynogenmod or some such and am on 1.6 with a few 2.1+ backports	10:30
phish3	its pretty much not updatable anymore though since everybody has moved on to new and better phones and since you cant run the newer os you miss out on everything :x	10:31
Funnyfacemob	:(	10:31
phish3	but even on 1.6 things worked pretty well	10:32
phish3	but 192 mB of ram isn't enough, only something like 50 mB is available for apps to consume (total)	10:32
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phish3	dalvik/java combo sucked with gc	10:32
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phish3	they combated it in some places really awkwardly even for the programmer	10:33
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phish3	such as some functions take in a parameter which might be null but if isn't you can assume is something you returned earlier (widget wise) so you can try and reuse it	10:34
phish3	combine java app tendancy for apps to consume memory even if they don't need it and a system which doesn't close apps unless it deems necessary and you end up with a pretty painful and frustrated experience	10:35
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phish3	and when they all share something as little as 50mB... well, like I said the maps app almost got me in accidents more than a few times lol	10:36
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Funnyfacemob	doesn't it swap ram?	10:37
phish3	oddly enough though a good deal of the time things work fine though, its a really odd relationship	10:37
phish3	not by default	10:37
Funnyfacemob	you should enable that then, should eliminate lots of your frustration :P	10:38
phish3	you can partiition up your valuable minihdsc card but I haven't seen it solve things	10:38
phish3	vm layer hides it from java	10:38
phish3	java apps go oh more memory to consume (not knowing its slower)	10:38
Funnyfacemob	:P	10:39
phish3	btw I'm a java programmer and like it in various places but the way its set up in android or at least crapper android devices I'm not a fan of lol	10:39
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Funnyfacemob	well I am just an "average user" :P	10:40
Funnyfacemob	anyway at the moment I only have 10MB RAM free here	10:42
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Funnyfacemob	and it's using 160MB swap	10:42
Funnyfacemob	got a bunch of stuff running	10:42
phish3	well its linux so it might be doing more caching to use up the ram	10:42
Funnyfacemob	don't really notice any major impact on the performance	10:42
Funnyfacemob	but so is android	10:43
phish3	yea but android the problem is in java	10:43
phish3	if you go to the linux layer at least normally the kernel caches everything to use the ram up	10:43
phish3	but purges cache way better than java apps (who don't really cooperate with eachother)	10:44
phish3	ah free -m should give you a good idea I think	10:44
phish3	it'll sub off the buffering/cache if the setup on the n900 does it	10:44
Funnyfacemob	it doesn't accept any parameters	10:46
phish3	its probably busybox then	10:46
phish3	just use it without the -m	10:46
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Funnyfacemob	yep :>	10:46
Funnyfacemob	anyway it doesn't display any info about caching :p	10:48
jaska	you could always cat /proc/meminfo	10:49
phish3	ah here i was looking at /proc/vmstat	10:49
Termana	phish3, you do know 2.1 is available for the G1 with OpenEclair (full eclair) and Cyanogen 5.0.7 (cyanogen's full eclair rather than donut with backports)	10:49
phish3	Termana: I haven't looked in a few months much but 5.0.7 cyanogen is for nexus and openeclair is missing various things I thought	10:50
phish3	least it seemed that way before...	10:50
Funnyfacemob	Cached: 77272 kB	10:50
Termana	phish3, 5.0.7 is for G1 - you've missed the fact the he recently decided to do Eclair for G1 because he was able to fix things that were broken with OpenEclair	10:50
phish3	77 megs then	10:50
phish3	Termana: ah I don't even see 5.0.7 on his site	10:51
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Termana	phish3, right, its still in testing (-test3 the last I looked)	10:51
phish3	mmm.... I don't know if I'm interested in testing branches	10:51
Termana	sorry, its actually -test5	10:52
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phish3	Funnyfacemob: that means ur phone has 77 megs it can just dispose of at any time free... anything linux given sufficient usage should have 100% ram usage	10:52
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Termana	phish3, Link for your viewing pleasure if you wish to try (or just read) - http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?/topic/2688-cyanogenmod-5-for-dreammagic-would-you-like-a-pony-v507-test5-05132010/	10:53
arachnist	hmm	10:54
phish3	in android it seems more like the apps want to hog on to the memory individually so they don't do gc often, but like i said I find it detrimental, at least on the g1	10:54
phish3	Termana: thanks	10:54
phish3	Termana: his updator made my lazy, I used to go check xda forums daily	10:54
phish3	er weekly	10:54
phish3	I'm not that much a nerd	10:54
arachnist	i never seen more than 3GB of ram in use on my desktop	10:55
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arachnist	(unless i was running some VMs)	10:55
phish3	excuse the multple lines	10:55
phish3	ason@archer:~> free -m	10:55
phish3	total used free shared buffers cached	10:55
phish3	Mem: 12038 11962 75 0 170 2932	10:55
phish3	-/+ buffers/cache: 8859 3179	10:55
phish3	Swap: 0 0 0	10:55
phish3	if you buy it, linux will consume lol	10:55
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phish3	no vms	10:56
arachnist	so what you're running there?	10:56
arachnist	or is it not a desktop, but a server?	10:56
phish3	chrome is probably being a bastard and taking up 3 gigs... sometimes it doesn't like reclaiming memory	10:57
arachnist	at work we have servers with over 64GB of ram used	10:57
phish3	its just a desktop (i7 I bought last year)	10:57
Funnyfacemob	is it just me or does it say 12MB total RAM?	10:57
phish3	yes	10:57
arachnist	Funnyfacemob: s/MB/GB/	10:57
phish3	I went out of my way cause when dealing with matlab tomfoolery 4 gigs didn't cut it	10:57
phish3	no upgrade path in my older comp so I just spent the extra 2hundred upfront this time	10:58
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arachnist	8GB of ram here in desktop, 6GB in NAS (it's zfs based, so most of it is in use), 4GB of ram in my laptop	10:58
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Funnyfacemob	I am still holding on to 32bit windows :p	10:59
Funnyfacemob	so limited to ~3.3GB	10:59
phish3	yea i've only got this workstation and my laptop (4g there as well)	10:59
arachnist	i have no machine where running 32bit windows would be possible/reasonable	10:59
Termana	I beat all of you	10:59
phish3	16?	10:59
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phish3	or something beyond normal...?	11:00
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Termana	I'm running on 900mhz Celeron and 512mb. Main computer, use it for everything - from web browsing to kernel compiles.	11:00
phish3	ahaha	11:00
arachnist	either it wouldn't run at all (arm/mips/sparc) or it would be a waste of resources (>=4GB of ram available)	11:00
phish3	Termana: I had actual deadlines to meet a few times and my older comp couldn't cut it	11:00
Termana	I'll admit it clogs along occasionally - but in general its fine doing everything. Obviously its not playing Crysis or some such (plus I use Linux anyway), but it does everything for me	11:01
Funnyfacemob	perfectly fine for everything except gaming	11:02
arachnist	except gaming and flash-ridden websites	11:02
Funnyfacemob	so if you're not into that, it'll last for many years :P	11:02
phish3	inn I don't know my browsing habbits include a million tabs these days	11:02
phish3	i can't go backwards :\|	11:02
arachnist	720p videos might also lag on a 900MHz celery	11:03
phish3	I do still hold a hate for flash ridden sites	11:03
phish3	they find a way to lag on my core2 laptop	11:03
phish3	*duo if that meant it was multicore...	11:03
Termana	I can have heaps of tabs up (I don't use Firefox - memory hog - I use Chrome)	11:03
Termana	But as everyone is saying	11:03
Termana	Flash... jesus christ.	11:03
Funnyfacemob	well at least you can transcode it into something else first, then watch it afterwards	11:03
phish3	I'm too lazy for that	11:03
Termana	You can actually see the poor machine stabbing itself whenever I have to use flash	11:04
phish3	haha	11:04
Funnyfacemob	lowering the flash quality helps a bit	11:04
arachnist	hmm	11:04
Funnyfacemob	if you haven't done it	11:04
phish3	not fullscreeing also helps	11:04
genewitch	900mhz?	11:05
genewitch	but why	11:05
arachnist	i wonder how badly would flash run on my router (1.2GHz arm + 512MB of ram)	11:05
phish3	I run a 2560x1600 display, my older athlon x2 3200 couldn't keep up with flash on fullscreen	11:05
arachnist	if there was a flash for arm publicly available	11:05
phish3	my laptop also chokes a bit, I use compositing zoom to help with that	11:05
Funnyfacemob	I remember my old single core, I used to visit some website with flash ads while playing a game	11:05
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Termana	phish3, I output to a 1280 x 1024 screen - fullscreen flash videos are fine. As long as I don't wiggle my mouse :P	11:06
Funnyfacemob	I had to block those silly ads because they would use more cpu than my game	11:06
Funnyfacemob	made it stutter horribly..	11:06
phish3	my laptop cant seem to keep 2 flash things opened at the same time	11:07
Funnyfacemob	but this time I went for a quad core so inefficient flash crap doesn't scare me anymore	11:07
phish3	I therorize intel has a time dependant performance chip or something in it that makes it perform more like crap as time goes by	11:07
Termana	genewitch, Its too complicated to explain why I'm using it as my main computer :P But I know it sounds like a crazy thing to do	11:07
Funnyfacemob	at least not until 4 of them are running at the same time	11:07
phish3	or maybe those times which it failed to suspend and ended up in my backpack took their toll	11:08
genewitch	phish3: I absolutely hate that.	11:08
Termana	I find it sad actually - some phones even have the same amount of RAM that I do :P	11:08
arachnist	i wonder if/when will amd release 3.4GHz 6-core chip	11:09
genewitch	isn't that out already?	11:09
phish3	Termana: snapdragon pretty much beats my first comp	11:09
genewitch	or is it not 3.4ghz	11:09
arachnist	genewitch: theree are 3.2	11:09
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genewitch	arachnist: yeah but you can overclock the 2.5ish ones to 3.4+ anyhow	11:09
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arachnist	hm	11:09
phish3	eck I remember when i first picked up eclipse and doing c++	11:10
phish3	I had 256 megs of ram and had to choose which was more important at any given moment, the browser or the ide	11:10
genewitch	I'll wait till the price on one of those drops to under $100	11:10
phish3	which eventually led me to vim...	11:10
chronim	https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8435	11:11
povbot	Bug 8435: Strange readings from pressure sensitive applications using gtk.gdk.AXIS_PRESSURE	11:11
chronim	please vote to ge resolved	11:12
Funnyfacemob	oh well going to get some sleep I think.. laters	11:12
Termana	cya Funnyfacemob	11:13
Jaffa	Morning, all	11:13
Stskeeps	morn jaffa	11:14
chronim	how to vote for a bug all 20 allowed times?	11:16
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Termana	good morning Jaffa	11:20
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Ddorda	hey, I don't use yet Maemo, and wanted to know first if there's any calendar app for it?	11:36
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Stskeeps	yes, it comes with a calendar app (maemo 5) but it isn't the best of the bunch	11:37
Ddorda	Stskeeps: erm. what's wrong with it for now?	11:38
Stskeeps	go look at brainstorms and bugs i guess	11:38
Ddorda	Stskeeps: yea, good idea, that's exactly what Ill do. thanks :)	11:38
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DocScrutinizer	moo	11:47
Stskeeps	moo	11:48
desu	woof	11:48
DocScrutinizer	meeeow	11:48
DocScrutinizer	err	11:48
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DocScrutinizer	meeeego	11:48
desu	lol	11:48
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psycho_oreos	is there a pc connectivity software for linux with fremantle?	11:56
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DocScrutinizer51	hmm...	11:59
DocScrutinizer51	that's a funny question	11:59
DocScrutinizer51	olease define 'connectivity'	11:59
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psycho_oreos	I know there's one for diablo but not for fremantle.. currently transferring files between a linux computer and the maemo is via ssh over network	12:00
psycho_oreos	I meant PC Suite mode	12:00
DocScrutinizer51	err	12:01
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psycho_oreos	yup doesn't work with arch :/ fdisk doesn't list any partitions	12:02
DocScrutinizer51	also network comprises usb network. And there's sfdisk on N900	12:03
SpeedEvil	psycho_oreos: ssh, rsync, scp, sftp, ...	12:03
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SpeedEvil	You can even point many file managers at the device over ssh	12:04
DocScrutinizer51	esp sftp	12:04
psycho_oreos	SpeedEvil, I'm doing that right now but the speeds are appauling to say the least :)	12:04
DocScrutinizer51	works great with most filemanagers	12:04
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psycho_oreos	DocScrutinizer, well I personally would prefer if I can transfer data to and from via USB rather than going over wireless which is what I'm doing right now	12:05
DocScrutinizer	[2010-05-15 11:03:39] <DocScrutinizer51> also network comprises usb network. And there's sfdisk on N900	12:05
psycho_oreos	yeah usb network I was looking at that, so that would work if I have the device plugged into the computer and setup udev rules to handle usb networking?	12:06
DocScrutinizer	supposed to work with N900/fremantle as well	12:06
SpeedEvil	http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking	12:06
* DocScrutinizer sips on his latte macchiato and wonders idly whether to check what that wikipage is telling		12:07
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: o/	12:08
SpeedEvil	hi	12:08
psycho_oreos	I've stumbled across that page before, I guess that should work in theory with fremantle :) I'll give it a shot, ta	12:08
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psycho_oreos	though usb networking would still be pushing speeds lower than say from pc to maemo	12:10
psycho_oreos	but I'll have a look at sfdisk as DocScrutinizer mentioned as well	12:11
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psycho_oreos	I was assuming that normally if under say disk mode, it would display device (as it did) and the partitions?	12:12
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DocScrutinizer	it only exports the VFAT on eMMC, and any VFAT on uSD	12:13
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DocScrutinizer	where $VFAT_on_eMMC=~user/MyDocs	12:13
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psycho_oreos	it didn't in my case.. provided that I didn't insert a SD card into maemo	12:14
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DocScrutinizer	and you're out of luck afaik when your uSD has more than one partition you want access, or a non VFAT type fs	12:15
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psycho_oreos	which is a little ironic when maemo can support a few filesystems.. at least on the fremantle.. I've seen there's ext3 support in the very least	12:16
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DocScrutinizer	//etc/event.d/bme --> DISC='/dev/mmcblk0p1' CARD='/dev/mmcblk1' LUN0='/sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/gadget/gadget-lun0/file' LUN1='/sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/gadget/gadget-lun1/file' echo $DISC > $LUN0 \|\| true echo $CARD > $LUN1 \|\| true	12:19
DocScrutinizer	psycho_oreos: edit to your needs	12:21
SpeedEvil	psycho_oreos: It's basically designed with only one aim. To hve maxcimal compatibility with windows.	12:21
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DocScrutinizer	psycho_oreos: take care you'll bootloop if any typos/bugs in that file	12:21
psycho_oreos	DocScrutinizer, ta, I'll have a look at that soon	12:22
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psycho_oreos	SpeedEvil, invariably name of nokia :) lets all support windows and windows only ;)	12:22
psycho_oreos	s/name/lame/g	12:22
infobot	psycho_oreos meant: SpeedEvil, invariably lame of nokia :) lets all support windows and windows only ;)	12:22
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raster	RST38h: hoi hoi	12:31
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wazd	hello maemo :)	13:08
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chronim	testing repo not refreshing	13:41
Hukka	gpsd/gpsfake running on host, how could I get scratchbox to use that as gps data?	13:43
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Hukka	t.m.o says that it should work, but doesn't say how. At least the env doesn't pick it up by default	13:44
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infobot	javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 15h 23m 17s ago, saying: 'rootfs'.	13:47
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Zucca	Subtites don't work on my mediaplayer. Movie finename is the same as subtitle filename with the expection of the filename extension. Both are in same directory. Any help?	14:09
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SpeedEvil	I'm unsure the media player supports it	14:11
SpeedEvil	Search for bugs on this - and add one - or a brainstorm	14:12
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DocScrutinizer	mediaplayer has no support for subtitles afaik	14:20
DocScrutinizer	mplayer should	14:20
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DocScrutinizer	ditch mediaplayer	14:21
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pupnik	http://retroremakes.com quite a few candidates for ports there	14:24
Zucca	DocScrutinizer: I'm already installing Kmplayer and mplayer. :)	14:25
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Zucca	It if possible to set mplayer as mediaplyer backend?	14:27
_llll_	what does that even mean?	14:27
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Zucca	_llll_: So that mediaplyer would play videos using mplayer.	14:28
Zucca	Because mplayer handles subtitles, I'd like to use it.	14:28
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Zucca	I've been using mplayer for ages on my PC. :)	14:30
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Zucca	Well. Kmplayer+mplayer works just fine. Even with TV-out using 4:3 TV. Perfect thing.	14:36
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valdyn	Zucca: theres subtitles support for the default media player, probably extras-devel	14:53
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Macer	damn i love my n900	14:56
Macer	heh	14:57
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Macer	remember toshiba librettos? :)	14:58
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Zucca	valdyn: I'll wait until it's in extras. :) Although I'm used to use mplayer as I have used it as my only movie player for ages. :)	15:01
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valdyn	Zucca: probagly to slow	15:02
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valdyn	Zucca: at least for h.264 at max resolution it should be defenitely to slow	15:03
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merlin1991	hey guys, I did drop my n900 (from around 110cm height) when it was turned off, and now when I turn it on I got no contacts, sms, files, ... opt isn't there, I have no swap and so on	15:05
merlin1991	any ideas what I could try before sending it in for repair?	15:05
pupnik	reflash?	15:06
stranger_	any estimates on how much bandwidth is needed / minute talking using skype?	15:06
merlin1991	how is reflashing goign to help when there were no changes software related? :D	15:06
SpeedEvil	merlin1991: sounds like the emmc went away	15:06
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SpeedEvil	merlin1991: do you have an external mmc?	15:07
merlin1991	nope afaik	15:07
SpeedEvil	If you have a clue, I would look at dmesg	15:07
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merlin1991	I have no clue :P	15:08
smhar	any estimates on how much bandwidth is needed / minute talking using skype?	15:08
SpeedEvil	but a reflash is not insane.	15:08
SpeedEvil	It's not - IMO - likely to help - but it's not going to hurt either	15:08
merlin1991	it is insofar since I need the contacts that were lost :D	15:08
SpeedEvil	ah	15:08
valdyn	merlin1991: reflashing does not delete contacts?	15:09
SpeedEvil	My next suggestion was reflash the mmc - which would delete contacts not stored on the SIM	15:09
merlin1991	valdyn I dunno about that :D	15:09
SpeedEvil	AIUI	15:09
valdyn	merlin1991: plus you should have used to backup app at some point	15:09
DerSaidin	.	15:09
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merlin1991	when I check the free space dialog in setting it says there that it has overall capacity of 455,8 mb	15:10
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SpeedEvil	merlin1991: odd.	15:11
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merlin1991	what name does the mmc have in /dev?	15:12
SpeedEvil	mmcblk0 IIRC	15:12
merlin1991	hm ls /dev \| grep mmc gives me nothing :/	15:12
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SpeedEvil	/dev/mmcblk0p1 0+ 122069 122070- 3906232 c W95 FAT32 (LBA)	15:13
SpeedEvil	is my mmc	15:13
SpeedEvil	what does sfdisk -l show?	15:13
SpeedEvil	(list)	15:13
SpeedEvil	have you been flashing anything kernel-related?	15:13
merlin1991	nope	15:14
merlin1991	I only installed xchat ages ago :D	15:14
merlin1991	sfdisk -l has no output	15:14
SpeedEvil	does sfdisk -l show anything?	15:14
SpeedEvil	ok - that's odd	15:14
SpeedEvil	as root?	15:14
merlin1991	yeah	15:14
SpeedEvil	does cat /proc/partitions show anything?	15:15
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merlin1991	major minor # blocks name	15:16
merlin1991	only this header :/	15:16
SpeedEvil	That is odd.	15:17
SpeedEvil	If it was mine, I'd plug in a mmc - and see if there was any change first	15:17
SpeedEvil	sd even	15:17
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SpeedEvil	I don't think anyone makes micrommc	15:17
merlin1991	could it be a hardware problem with the mmc?	15:19
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SpeedEvil	yes	15:19
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SpeedEvil	It could also be something wacky like somehow your rootfs has become corrupt coincidentally, and is not properly loading the module/... to support the mmc	15:20
SpeedEvil	/proc/partitions is pretty low-level	15:20
merlin1991	hm I'm just going through the dmesg stuff and found this: mmci-omap-hs mmci-omap-hs.0: Failed to get debounce clock	15:20
SpeedEvil	plugging in a SD card will give you an idea on that	15:20
merlin1991	and the next line	15:21
merlin1991	mmc0: cover is open, card is now inacessible	15:21
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SpeedEvil	ah!	15:22
merlin1991	where is that mmc loacated in the device?	15:22
SpeedEvil	it's soldered on	15:22
SpeedEvil	however	15:22
merlin1991	crap	15:22
SpeedEvil	that is a simple explanation	15:22
SpeedEvil	oh	15:23
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merlin1991	and what do I do now? :P	15:23
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merlin1991	hm seems like it's talking about the possible extension card	15:26
merlin1991	crap	15:26
SpeedEvil	The cover is open should affect the external card	15:26
SpeedEvil	but not the internal one	15:27
merlin1991	yeah	15:27
SpeedEvil	Is the cover open?	15:27
merlin1991	jup	15:27
pigeon	should one use mame or sdlmame on the n900?	15:27
SpeedEvil	Try putting it back on - see if there is any diffference	15:27
merlin1991	I did, no difference	15:27
hcm	merlin1991: did you reboot after closing it?	15:28
hcm	and check dmesg for the same messages…	15:28
SpeedEvil	The cover sense is IIRC done with a magnet	15:28
SpeedEvil	which has been reported to fall off in some cases	15:28
SpeedEvil	but that still shouldn't affect the internal mmc	15:28
hcm	also the mmc cover? or only the camera cover?	15:29
SpeedEvil	the camera shutter is sensed by an IR sensor	15:29
SpeedEvil	see the white/black area on the back	15:29
SpeedEvil	of the slider	15:29
merlin1991	hcm I did check dmesg and it said cover is closed, card is now acessible	15:30
merlin1991	I'm trying it with an sd now	15:30
merlin1991	I did put an sd in and now I have stuff in /proc/partitions	15:31
merlin1991	I fear the internal one is dead	15:31
SpeedEvil	I'd say that's likely	15:31
SpeedEvil	you currently have no customisation showing up at all/	15:32
merlin1991	yeah	15:32
hcm	hmm looks like… is the clock error still in dmesg?	15:32
SpeedEvil	I'm unsure exactly what it will do with a broken mmc - I think it may recreate an empty one	15:32
SpeedEvil	the clock error is normal	15:32
SpeedEvil	an emtpy one in /	15:32
SpeedEvil	an empty home	15:32
hcm	oh ^^ ok… SpeedEvil do you know what it means?	15:32
SpeedEvil	no	15:33
merlin1991	well I guess when I add a sd into the phone I should have 2 mmc devices in /dev but I have only 1 so I guess the hardware is broken	15:33
merlin1991	yehaa	15:34
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SpeedEvil	I get two [ 60.366149] mmci-omap-hs mmci-omap-hs.0: Failed to get debounce clock	15:34
SpeedEvil	adjacent to each other.	15:34
SpeedEvil	:/ Was the phone in a case?	15:34
merlin1991	nah	15:34
merlin1991	only the phone, closed keyboard though	15:34
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merlin1991	but still 110 cm shouldn't kill it freakin hell	15:35
SpeedEvil	I agree - ideally.	15:35
SpeedEvil	large chips can be quite fragile though.	15:35
SpeedEvil	What was it onto?	15:35
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merlin1991	when I shake it I also get a sound of loose parts :/	15:35
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SpeedEvil	the slider is slightly loose on mine	15:36
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SpeedEvil	loose parts, with the back and battery out?	15:36
hcm	merlin1991: that doesn't sound good at all ^^	15:36
hcm	btw, I don't have the debounce clock error	15:37
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rcg1	merlin1991: this might be the "holder" for the memory card	15:38
rcg1	merlin1991: though here it is only audible if you really "want" to hear it	15:39
merlin1991	back and battery off	15:40
merlin1991	and I have loose sounds	15:40
korhojoa	guys. i need immediate help. i'm in steep shit.	15:40
korhojoa	my jell-o shots have gone bad.	15:40
hcm	SpeedEvil: sorry, I also have the clock error after a fresh reboot. just wasn't present before	15:41
merlin1991	but when I start unscrewing the front cover I'll loose my warranty, right?	15:41
rcg1	merlin1991: and you can verify the loose sound is not coming from the pickups/cages for the sim or mmc card?	15:41
merlin1991	nope holding them both	15:41
rcg1	merlin1991: hmm that does indeed not sound well .. i for my self would _not_ start loosening screws or the like	15:42
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GAN900	That wiki import thread is awesome.	15:42
korhojoa	I put in too much liquid (double amount, package size is half of the recipe) do you guys think that it's possible to fix them by heating up the mix and adding more gelatin?	15:42
merlin1991	well I guess i'll visit a nokia shop then	15:42
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SpeedEvil	merlin1991: yes - unscrewing anything is bad.	15:46
SpeedEvil	korhojoa: yes.	15:47
merlin1991	but it's fun todo :P	15:47
SpeedEvil	You can't fix it anyway	15:47
SpeedEvil	well - you could	15:47
SpeedEvil	but you'd need to get hard to source parts	15:47
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korhojoa	are you saying that it will or won't work?	15:47
korhojoa	i mean, jell-o is hard to find here, yes, but uh.	15:47
SpeedEvil	korhojoa: It will work	15:47
korhojoa	i did manage to acquire some	15:47
korhojoa	awwright!	15:47
SpeedEvil	korhojoa: I was meaning for merlin1991	15:47
korhojoa	ah	15:47
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korhojoa	D:	15:47
korhojoa	now -> STORE	15:48
SpeedEvil	Whos problems cannot be solved by jello.	15:48
SpeedEvil	Though perhaps vodka may work.	15:48
Hukka	Vodkajello?	15:48
pigeon	hmm, strace is not in any of the maemo repo?	15:49
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SpeedEvil	it's in tools repo, sorry	15:50
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pigeon	SpeedEvil: hmm sorry, where is that?	15:55
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merlin1991	rofl @ nokia.com/repair	15:57
lcuk	SpeedEvil, jellobacon isnt so appealing	15:58
merlin1991	I get a http 404 when I click search xD	15:58
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merlin1991	when I run the backup app on the n900, where do the backups end up ?	16:08
GAN900	eMMC	16:09
merlin1991	good that means I should at least have the backup from updating to 1.1	16:09
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MohammadAG	or microSD if you chose that	16:10
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merlin1991	hm I wonder how I'll get it though	16:16
merlin1991	filemanager tells me I have no files or folders, lmao	16:16
hcm	eMMC IS your defective chip, isn't it?	16:17
* merlin1991 is lost on what chip is wich one, anyone up to enlighten me?		16:17
* jaska broke down and bought an n900 :\|		16:17
hcm	try looking for your backup with find via console, but chances are that it's lost…	16:18
hcm	afaik, MyDocs (the root of the graphical filemanager) and /opt are on the eMMC	16:19
MohammadAG	as well as swap	16:19
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merlin1991	uh oh, that means I lost it all :/	16:19
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merlin1991	btw my /opt is a link to /home/opt	16:20
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merlin1991	is that normal?	16:20
arachnist	yes	16:20
MohammadAG	yes	16:20
merlin1991	any reason why that is so?	16:20
hcm	merlin1991: that's why I like scp'ing any new backups directly to my desktop computer…	16:21
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MohammadAG	cause root is 256MB, /home is 2GBs	16:21
MohammadAG	/opt is needed for apps	16:21
merlin1991	yeah well, you never think about backups before you actually loose data :/	16:22
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merlin1991	emmc down	16:23
MohammadAG	how?	16:23
hcm	MohammadAG: eMMC is not found anymore, after N900 dropped	16:23
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hcm	not in /dev	16:23
MohammadAG	could be the solders?	16:23
MohammadAG	well that confirms it	16:24
MohammadAG	if it isn't in dev i doubt you can recover anything	16:24
merlin1991	doh	16:24
MohammadAG	unless you try to resolder it	16:24
MohammadAG	was it 1 drop?	16:24
merlin1991	jup	16:24
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MohammadAG	cause tehkseven's device survived 9 drops iirc	16:24
hcm	nice benchmark :D	16:25
MohammadAG	2/3 of which were on concrete	16:25
lcuk	Facepalm how you you assume its solder	16:25
merlin1991	was sitting in the army in the bed, turned the phone off, wanted to put it into the locker dropped it about 110cm, turned it on the next day and had the problems	16:25
MohammadAG	lcuk, if it's not in /dev i don't see any other explanation	16:25
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merlin1991	I thought that too, I just hoped someone here would have some crazy idea that might fix it :P	16:26
MohammadAG	it shouldn't have broke tbh	16:26
lcuk	broken cracked bendy circuit boards	16:26
MohammadAG	-tbh, not the best word	16:26
lcuk	same as you can drown in a teacup	16:26
lcuk	\@/	16:26
MohammadAG	lcuk, i'm a bit more optimistic xD	16:27
hcm	well, anything, but most certainly hardware related…	16:27
lcuk	so am i, if ever in a teacup and drowning, i would drink for england	16:27
merlin1991	yea well I'll get it to a nokia shop, dunno though how I'll do that, since I'm only home on weekends doh	16:27
lcuk	merlin1991, that would be your best line of action	16:27
MohammadAG	hmm, I wonder what error flashing the eMMC would throw	16:28
lcuk	jake was swueeling like a wounded seal a minute ago :(	16:28
lcuk	he dropped toy on his toe	16:28
lcuk	squeeling ^	16:28
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MohammadAG	Jake?	16:30
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lcuk	youngest	16:32
lcuk	we were hunting for a piece of his track	16:32
crashanddie	guys, how can I download a SVN repo if I only have the web access?	16:32
lcuk	svn uses http to do its download?	16:33
lcuk	svn co http://sdfjsjsfjdsjsfjdsjsdf	16:33
crashanddie	http://svn.ogsteam.fr/trunk/ogspy/	16:33
lcuk	yeah i just checked it out	16:33
crashanddie	ta :)	16:34
crashanddie	I'm such a tool with rcs	16:35
lcuk	s/with rcs//	16:35
MohammadAG	LOL	16:35
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MohammadAG	you made him leave :\|	16:36
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lcuk	its seb :p im sure he will have forgotten something else	16:37
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frals	20C and clear blue sky \o/	16:39
lcuk	volcano ash scaring hte clouds away?	16:39
merlin1991	I really wonder where the details dialog for memory in settings has it's 455,8 mb from (it tells me thats the total space on the device)	16:40
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frals	lcuk: most likely! either way im not complaining :D	16:40
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MohammadAG	merlin1991, "Nokia N900"?	16:44
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merlin1991	how do you mean that questions MohammadAG	16:45
MohammadAG	Nokia N900/MyDocs?	16:45
lcuk	merlin1991, type "df" and pastebin the result	16:45
merlin1991	that's gonna by funny	16:45
merlin1991	I can't get the browser running because of no swap :D	16:46
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merlin1991	hm how do I copy out of xterm?	16:48
lcuk	click the cursor thing, select a range	16:49
merlin1991	and then?	16:49
lcuk	then in the menu is a copy item	16:49
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merlin1991	hm browser not able to run and no pc to scp too, damn	16:51
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lcuk	take a photo from outside	16:51
merlin1991	nah typing is fu	16:51
merlin1991	n	16:51
lcuk	even better when you can do it :p	16:52
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merlin1991	http://pastebin.com/iH95y6dq	16:54
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F66F	hi	16:54
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dhq1	how do i get offline files for maep	17:05
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SpeedEvil	you can get it to download stuff I think - wander roundthe UI	17:06
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SpeedEvil	I don't have it installed ATM	17:06
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dhq1	SpeedEvil: what do you use	17:06
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SpeedEvil	Generally osm2go	17:07
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dhq1	is it good	17:07
SpeedEvil	which isn't really meant as a map display tool as such	17:07
dhq1	what does it do	17:07
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markinfo	If there is no memory card in nokia n810 it is not able to connect over USB Cabel from desktop PC to the n810 and read data?	17:08
SpeedEvil	openstreetmap editore	17:08
markinfo	there should be internal memory too	17:08
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: o/	17:09
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SpeedEvil	:)	17:10
markinfo	hm - welll it is.	17:10
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dhq	SpeedEvil: my connection rest ......... ok i have a gprs connection it only allows port 80 how do i get my other apps to use this	17:11
markinfo	I have here two nokia n810 - but one of them is not able to connect over USB. Internal memory is not shown.	17:11
dhq	**reset	17:11
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SpeedEvil	no clue	17:12
dhq	SpeedEvil: is there any software to push all connections to a proxy	17:13
SpeedEvil	markinfo: On the n900 (I know) internal memory is not shown. For various reasons - wrong FS format - it would have to be readonly while exposed, ... - exposing internal memory isn't trivial	17:13
SpeedEvil	dhq: sorry - not sure	17:13
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markinfo	nokia 810 shows after connection over USB cabel "unable to connect via USB. Memory card in use: Internal memory card"	17:14
markinfo	i have last firmware OS2008	17:14
markinfo	the seconds n810 connect without problems.	17:15
markinfo	is it necessary to install something?	17:15
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markinfo	what about "usbcontrol" ?	17:16
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markinfo	it is strange - sometimes - very seldom it connects.	17:29
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horrorschow	hello, somone from germany?	17:32
horrorschow	i need help, for my bricked n900	17:32
SpeedEvil	how bricked?	17:32
SpeedEvil	~flashing	17:32
infobot	methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	17:32
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horrorschow	mhh how should i tell you..	17:33
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horrorschow	i try it but my english is not the best	17:33
SpeedEvil	What does it do?	17:34
horrorschow	it shows the three starting led's an than reboots	17:34
SpeedEvil	that's not bricked then	17:34
SpeedEvil	see the above instructions - reflash and it'll be OK	17:34
SpeedEvil	(probably - assuming no hardware fault)	17:34
horrorschow	when i flash the device i got an error	17:34
horrorschow	invalid fiasco sub image <00>	17:35
horrorschow	what does it mean?	17:35
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horrorschow	i'm on win7	17:35
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horrorschow	someone here who can help me, i don't know what to do, because of that error message "Invalid FIASCO subimage id <00>"	17:37
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SpeedEvil	Where are you downloading the image from?	17:39
markinfo	can be external memory card on n810 on the fly removed?	17:39
markinfo	or inserted?	17:39
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horrorschow	i downloaded it from the link of the maemo.org sit (where you have to tell your emai)	17:41
horrorschow	memory is inserted	17:42
horrorschow	but whens its out the same message came	17:42
Arkenoi	which audio player to choose?	17:43
horrorschow	there is no flashing process, before it will flash there comes the message "INVALID FIASCO SUBIMAGE...."	17:43
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horrorschow	hello someone an idea	17:45
arachnist	horrorschow: redownload the image	17:45
arachnist	horrorschow: and try doing it under a proper operating system, not windows	17:46
horrorschow	so i should try it with knoppix (linux)	17:46
horrorschow	?	17:46
arachnist	might be a good idea	17:46
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horrorschow	ok, and i just need only the image not the emmc file	17:47
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horrorschow	?	17:47
arachnist	you want only the image, unless you want to get rid of all of your settings	17:48
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horrorschow	@arachnist: thanks	17:49
horrorschow	i wil try it again an hope it will work	17:49
horrorschow	so you think der was a brick in the image or downloadprocess...	17:50
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horrorschow	?	17:50
arachnist	i'd suspect that the windows is faulty here	17:50
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horrorschow	ok	18:01
horrorschow	zhanks	18:01
horrorschow	thanks	18:01
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markinfo	is it possible to connect to nokia n810 external USB mouse - keyboard? there is some program "usbcontrol"	18:05
MohammadAG_	yes, USB OTG	18:06
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satmd	staff:	18:07
satmd	animooo: is spamming in private	18:07
satmd	on join	18:07
markinfo	MohammadAG_, do i need special cabel adapter?	18:07
MohammadAG_	markinfo, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9BsGx_nJU4 <-- full tut	18:08
markinfo	or there is necessary to use special USB peripheras?	18:08
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MohammadAG_	satmd, you might be better off joining #freenode and asking there, channel ops can only ban him but he can still PM	18:08
satmd	MohammadAG_: did :)	18:09
MohammadAG_	:)	18:09
animooo	wew	18:10
markinfo	Well, F-F USB ADAPTER works it also with normal USB Mouse?	18:10
MohammadAG_	I guess so	18:10
woodong50__	hey here is n800 taking?	18:10
MohammadAG_	I never had an N810, but yes it should work	18:10
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woodong50__	sorry but i am drink some beer	18:12
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markinfo	some small external USB keyboard would be nice with n810. Even Printer would be possible?	18:13
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MohammadAG_	if CUPS was ported yes	18:13
satmd	note to anyone in here: whoever clicked the links of animooo	18:13
satmd	they contain malware	18:14
DocScrutinizer51	sure	18:14
DocScrutinizer51	friggin chanserv doesn't accept akick from me	18:14
F66F	hi i could need an smal hint how to start my qt programms on the N900 with the default theme ... every time I start it no it looks like on the desktop	18:14
MohammadAG_	/ns group?	18:14
DocScrutinizer51	GeneralAntilles: PING	18:14
MohammadAG_	unless your nicks are already grouped	18:14
DocScrutinizer51	GeneralAntilles: please chanserv akick animoo	18:15
DocScrutinizer51	MohammadAG_: is grouped	18:15
MohammadAG_	he left	18:15
MohammadAG_	* animooo (~animooo@fm-ip-118.136.243.201.fast.net.id) has left #maemo	18:15
DocScrutinizer51	no reason NOT to set a akick	18:16
DocScrutinizer51	friggin bloody spammer asshole	18:16
t-tan	nice: wine on N900 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMzTFMpAQVM	18:16
MohammadAG_	autokick? why not just /ban him?	18:16
t-tan	err http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3v4YC9RT-g	18:16
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DocScrutinizer51	satmd: any info about type of malware	18:18
DocScrutinizer51	?	18:18
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DocScrutinizer	darn	18:19
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DocScrutinizer	anybody got a whois of animoo?	18:20
DocScrutinizer	aah	18:21
DocScrutinizer	nm	18:21
F66F	hm?	18:21
satmd	no more needed	18:21
satmd	I handed it to freenode staff	18:21
MohammadAG_	animooo@fm-ip-118.136.243.201.fast.net.id	18:21
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MohammadAG_	satmd, he's still connected :)	18:21
MohammadAG_	I did a /query, when he's killed it should say animooo has quit	18:22
Jaffa	t-tan: Would be a bit nicer if the damned thing was in focus	18:22
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DocScrutinizer	satmd: thanks	18:23
F66F	i have an silly question .. . I installed my own qt applicaton but everytime I start it from the Console it looks so different ...	18:23
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t-tan	Jaffa: would even better if he could give us the binaries to replicate it...	18:23
DocScrutinizer	this friggin moron made me jump up a nd leave my coffee :-((	18:23
Jaffa	t-tan: Well, indeed	18:23
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F66F	how 2 make it looking as normal	18:24
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trumee	anybody saw this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=659580&postcount=80 , awesome	18:24
MohammadAG_	F66F, run-standalone.sh?	18:25
FIQ	How many colors does N900 have?	18:25
DocScrutinizer	satmd: any details about which type of malware he's spreading on that site?	18:25
FIQ	^24 or ^16?	18:25
F66F	MohammadAG_: standalone.sh?	18:25
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FIQ	hm	18:25
FIQ	nvm	18:25
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trumee	finally, the nokia headset-controls will work	18:25
MohammadAG_	run-standalone.sh appbinary	18:26
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DocScrutinizer	trumee: HUH?	18:27
F66F	MohammadAG_: i dont used usb networking the application is hard installed	18:27
F66F	via dhkp	18:27
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markinfo	There is no acces on internal data (nokia_N810) in n810 over USB cabel? Only on Internal memory?	18:27
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trumee	DocScrutinizer: remote control buttons on the headset	18:28
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MohammadAG_	F66F, no idea then	18:28
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DocScrutinizer	trumee: aaah yes. the ne silly holdbutton. Was easy	18:29
F66F	MohammadAG_: i installed it via dhkp	18:29
DocScrutinizer	one	18:29
F66F	the ap isnt in the app menu	18:29
pupnik	anyone else getting probs with SDL_WM_GrabInput	18:29
DocScrutinizer	thought you're talking about controlS (plural)	18:29
F66F	i can start it from the console	18:29
F66F	but it looks so fucking ...	18:29
DocScrutinizer	anyway, my coffee getting cold. bbl	18:30
MohammadAG_	F66F, did you make a .desktop file?	18:30
F66F	no	18:30
F66F	where 2 place it?	18:30
MohammadAG_	/usr/share/applications/hildon/	18:30
F66F	k	18:30
MohammadAG_	how do you expect it to show up in the menu?	18:30
MohammadAG_	if there's no desktop file	18:31
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F66F	i tought might the install would do that	18:31
F66F	G	18:31
F66F	but im really new @ such things	18:31
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Macer	hm	18:33
Macer	i have like 2 weeks left on my giganews acct	18:33
Macer	i should get all the wii games i can	18:33
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SpeedEvil	Just as backups for your existing media of course.	18:37
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Macer	of course	18:38
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pupnik	http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-May/026207.html SDL and grabbing the volume buttons	18:42
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Macer	openarena is pretty good	18:45
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F66F	MohammadAG_: building an Desktop files worked 4 me ...	18:47
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GAN900	Sad how totally MeeGo has killed maemo.org as an effective collaboration space.	18:49
Macer	has it?	18:50
GAN900	Pretty much	18:50
Macer	i thought meego was just an idea	18:50
Macer	like rome in gladiator	18:50
GAN900	Everybody's either in a holding pattern or pissed off.	18:50
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Macer	haha	18:51
Macer	dont know where it is going huh?	18:51
Macer	why dev for maemo when meego might replace it	18:51
GAN900	Right	18:52
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GAN900	Or work on the website or anything community related.	18:52
Macer	heh	18:52
Macer	blame nokia	18:52
Macer	blame Stskeeps	18:53
Macer	:-D	18:53
Stskeeps	what, i've had my beating thread	18:53
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Macer	haha	18:53
Stskeeps	and i would like to say that i pissed off the n8x0 users so much they started actually dominating the 'new posts' section of tmo	18:53
Stskeeps	:P	18:53
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Macer	haha	18:54
Macer	see? just blame Stskeeps	18:54
Macer	i cant find my n810	18:54
Macer	i lost it haha	18:54
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Macer	i think i might get a 2nd n900 when they come down tho if people can figure out this meego/maemo bullshit	18:55
pupnik	If the screen gets a pressure fix, one could buy them just for art	18:56
Macer	maybe this running around with their heads chopped off thing will get the n900 to come down to $100	18:56
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BugBlue	I'm about to put android on my N810.. just because it might make it more usefull	18:56
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Macer	BugBlue: haha	18:56
Macer	i lost mine	18:56
Macer	i have been looking for it but have no idea where it has gone	18:56
Macer	i might have lost it in my move 4 months ago	18:57
Macer	it was just collecting dust anyways	18:57
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Macer	worthless nowadays i suppose although i did want to do the carmman thing	18:57
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simoneb_	would it be possible to install finch on maemo/the n900, since finch does exist only for debian? if yes, which version of finch should i try to install (lenny, sid...)?	18:58
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Macer	GAN900: there is always opendeb ;)	18:59
Macer	er	18:59
Macer	easydeb	18:59
JayJay_	I'm tireddd	18:59
simoneb_	Macer: was that addressed to me?	18:59
arachnist	nope	18:59
luke-jr	BugBlue: LOL	19:01
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Macer	luke-jr: maybe he should install wastedlifetoo	19:01
Macer	uhm.. gentoo	19:01
JayJay_	Good Morning guy	19:01
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Macer	anyways.. laundry :)	19:02
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simoneb_	uhm, ok, i think i may install finch for lenny on the n900, but it depends on libc6 version 2.7, and maemo currently has 2.5 (among a few other missing dependencies) ... any chance i could update that?	19:09
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lbt	hmm, where is HILDONDESKTOP_LIBS defined for autotools	19:15
SpeedEvil	simeoni: you're aware of the easy debian chroot?	19:16
luke-jr	simoneb_: uh, just recompile it for libc 2.5?	19:16
jaska	what sort of mutant ears one has to have to use the default headphones?	19:17
pupnik	you could use http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/finch simoneb_	19:18
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simoneb_	jaska: i suggest you softly pull your ear up when you put in the headphone	19:19
simoneb_	pupnik: no armel build though :(	19:20
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F66F	how to include my icon and the Desktop file in my N900 Qt projekt?	19:23
F66F	is there an beginner tutorial ...	19:23
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F66F	??	19:24
MohammadAG_	icons go in /usr/share/pixmaps, icon for the desktop file is specified as Icon=filename in the .desktop file, package them as a deb and put them in -devel	19:24
MohammadAG_	all of that is in the wiki	19:24
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pupnik	!packaging	19:25
F66F	MohammadAG_: do you habe a link? plz	19:25
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MohammadAG_	wiki.maemo.org	19:26
MohammadAG_	~packaging	19:26
infobot	Ask me about ipkg	19:26
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F66F	MohammadAG_: thx	19:27
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pupnik	many lurkers	19:55
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MohammadAG_	indeed	19:57
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hawai`i	NO	20:06
hawai`i	NO LURKERS	20:06
aquatix	we can't have that	20:07
F66F	woot?	20:08
hawai`i	splash	20:08
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ShadowJK	there's something funny with N900's mpeg4 encoder... the videos have slight artifacting when viewed on anything else besides N900's builtind media player	20:15
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* LowRider Brand New!!Notebooks and LCD TVs.Discounts up to 30%.Our Special Limited Time Offers Up To May, 22. The newest electronics only http://www.elplace.com		20:19
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DocScrutinizer51	wtf	20:21
DocScrutinizer51	we got spamday?	20:21
jaska	oh, some bot caught the spammer	20:22
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luke-jr	lol	20:23
GAN900	I need a TV!	20:24
MohammadAG_	lol	20:25
luke-jr	get it somewhere else plz	20:25
luke-jr	not to mention, the link is dead	20:25
MohammadAG_	did the bot take that down too?	20:25
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Macer	95.211.132.69 Amsterdam, NL /get_orders_list.php	20:25
Macer	haha	20:26
Macer	l33t hacker	20:26
LJN900	.	20:26
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Macer	wonder how well trying to fetch /get_orders_list.php has worked out	20:27
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GAN900	Jaffa, first of all, GMT isn't a thing. :P	20:41
GAN900	Second, +1?	20:41
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otubo	Hello all, I am trying to package a python module, and in the packaging process it calls the compiler but the sbox can't find it:	21:17
otubo	sb_gcc_wrapper (gcc): /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/bin/sbox-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: No such file or directory	21:17
otubo	But the file exists in that specific path, does anyone have a clue?	21:17
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PhonicUK	hey all	21:17
MohammadAG_	\o PhonicUK	21:18
PhonicUK	lo	21:18
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otubo	First of all, I don't understand why it needs to call the compiler if it is a python module.	21:23
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satmd	otubo: you also get that message if the system cannot execute the file because of missing libs or architectural problems	21:26
satmd	like arm on x86 and vice versa	21:26
otubo	satmd, this is the full log http://pastebin.com/PsdHnTDx, I am inside the sbox environment and I just get this message in this situation.	21:28
otubo	satmd, but if I call the the compiler using its full path it works fine	21:28
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satmd	mhm, I have not used scratchbox enough to help more than what I know about general cross-compiling	21:31
otubo	like this http://pastebin.com/YgGZEJiH	21:31
otubo	satmd, all right, no problem and thanks for you help on a saturday afternoom :)	21:32
satmd	20:32 here :p	21:32
otubo	yeah, a little worse than :P	21:33
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lbt	X-Fade: http://build.obs.maemo.org/project/monitor?project=home%3AAdmin	21:35
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Jaffa	GAN900: GMT is a thing	21:47
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ShadowJK	But UK is GMT+1 right now, aka BST, right? :P	21:47
Jaffa	GAN900: Anyway, +1 is Google being shit; not me. The vCard is right; as were the times, in UTC, on doodle.com	21:47
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Jaffa	ShadowJK: Yeah; exactly.	21:47
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Stskeeps	n900 is a wonderful tool when standing in long queues	21:48
MohammadAG_	till the battery runs out	21:50
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Surfa	that long lines dont exist	21:51
PhonicUK	N900 + irreco remote + electronics store + wall of TVs = FUN!	21:51
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ShadowJK	PhonicUK, that's evil genius material	21:52
jaska	lol	21:52
ruskie	MohammadAG_, lol... hasn't happened to me yet... I charge it every evening but generally don't have any need to do so during the day	21:52
PhonicUK	no no, evil genius material is:	21:52
PhonicUK	Start "Mobile Hotspot", Rename hotspot to "Free WiFi Internet", Turn it on, Launch "Wireshark" packet sniffer	21:52
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PhonicUK	sit in Starbucks, wait for fun	21:53
MohammadAG_	ruskie, I used up 4 batteries yesterday	21:54
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ruskie	MohammadAG_, wth were you doing?	21:54
MohammadAG_	tbh idk :P	21:54
PhonicUK	he was torrenting porn!	21:54
ruskie	I need to make quite an effort to spend a battery to empty in a day	21:55
ruskie	and I tend to listen to music 8h per day@work	21:55
MohammadAG_	nah, warez ftw for illegal stuff cough	21:55
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MohammadAG_	damn ME, couldn't find a BH-214 here	21:55
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MohammadAG_	Cannot find required GStreamer-0.10 plugin 'gconfaudiosink'. grrr	21:57
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pupnik	the libqt situation is starting to be more aggravating	22:03
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lcuk	Jaffa, make sure before the meeting theres enough pings around i want to come along	22:06
lbt	lcuk: from maemo.org OBS: libliqbase scheduled succeeded	22:06
lcuk	and suddenly there was an lbt	22:06
lcuk	you built it more than me lol	22:06
* lbt is uploading Extras to OBS ...		22:06
lcuk	deb OBS?	22:07
lbt	Fremantle	22:07
lcuk	or converting on the go	22:07
lcuk	ahh	22:07
lcuk	i thought some magic was there	22:07
lbt	same OBS will do Harmattan	22:07
lbt	and maybe... (ideally) MeeGo	22:07
lcuk	cool	22:07
lbt	same tarball	22:07
lcuk	multiple arch, multiple package, multiple OS	22:07
lbt	yep	22:08
lcuk	:)	22:08
lcuk	is there an uber quick native arm system around	22:08
lcuk	ie can i get a beagleboard on steroids	22:08
lbt	no, but you can run OBS workers on ARM 'blades'	22:08
lcuk	can i get one of these blades	22:09
lcuk	or a sheath of them	22:09
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lbt	cross-compile	22:09
lcuk	bah adds complexity	22:09
lcuk	i wonder tho	22:09
lbt	nah, adds availability and accessibility	22:09
lcuk	sure	22:10
lbt	it's a tad 'selfish' to do it in a way that only works for you :)	22:10
lcuk	it just fries my mind - especially when i cant run on the system i build it on	22:10
lcuk	emulation cant yuv properly	22:10
lcuk	never has been able to	22:11
Jaffa	lcuk: will try to - but I'm slammed at work at the moment	22:11
lbt	yuv?	22:11
lcuk	lbt build/run cycles	22:11
Jaffa	Right; should try and find something to snack on in this London hotel.	22:11
lcuk	i could do it native x86	22:11
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johnsq	Hi	22:12
lbt	Jaffa: I'm uploading Extras to OBS ...	22:12
lbt	just to (hopefully) cheer you up	22:12
Jaffa	lbt: saw; cool :-)	22:12
* Jaffa will try and catch you later.		22:12
lbt	np	22:12
Jaffa	Or, I might take advantage of the hotel's free BluRay rental and watch Inglourious Basterds.	22:12
frals	that flick is awesome :D	22:13
lcuk	Jaffa, isnt your house near london :P	22:17
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lcuk	was doctor who worth watching?	22:25
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yabba	Is here anyone using gentoo?	22:27
johnsq	yabba: yes	22:27
yabba	Do it support mobile broadband in the out of box install? Like ubuntu has done since 8.10 (if I remember correct)	22:28
johnsq	yabba: sorry only on n810	22:29
yabba	Aaaah, :P darm, I just go pissed of with this new ubuntu and thinking to change distro. I just need to know that	22:29
yabba	so to => #gentoo	22:30
luke-jr	"mobile broadband" is not a technical/meaningful term	22:30
tuxer	no it doesn't	22:30
luke-jr	Gentoo doesn't have a box install	22:30
yabba	ok, so I need wired connection to get mobile working?	22:31
_llll_	what do you mean? you seem to be making someunspoken assumptions	22:32
tuxer	I would recommend that, although maybe install cd can use mobile... you could try	22:32
PhonicUK	has anyone else ever taken their N900, opened up the stand, and stuck 2 fingers through so its like a massive ring?	22:32
luke-jr	CD? in a tablet?	22:33
yabba	Oh, I mean can I use my N900 as a modem in gentoo right after install, because I don't have wired internet at home so I can't install packages from internet.	22:33
luke-jr	PhonicUK: I've worn it on my full hand..	22:33
luke-jr	yabba: obviously that depends on what you install	22:33
PhonicUK	eeh, how does that work?	22:33
luke-jr	PhonicUK: just slide my hand through it	22:34
luke-jr	N900 might be too small, dunno	22:34
PhonicUK	that makes no sense	22:34
yabba	I thinking that gentoo 10.1 liveDVD is only option for me	22:34
luke-jr	yabba: how do you plan to put a DVD in your N900?	22:34
yabba	luke-jr, Ach, to my laptop, replacing ubuntu	22:35
fraggeln	luke-jr: nfs-mount? D:	22:35
luke-jr	yabba: well, you can't install Gentoo at all without a network connection I think	22:35
luke-jr	I imagine the LiveDVD would have PPP	22:35
yabba	And if we could have usb-host mode, it could be done with external dvd/cd	22:36
jacekowski	you can install gentoo without network	22:36
luke-jr	yabba: you can't.	22:36
jacekowski	you will just have to get portage copy from somewhere + source packages	22:36
yabba	luke-jr, whynot?	22:36
luke-jr	yabba: it's not wired properly for host mode	22:36
luke-jr	jacekowski: same difference	22:37
jacekowski	besides, you can use n900 in that network mode	22:37
jacekowski	and use it as http proxy	22:37
yabba	jacekowski, ok, so I think it is some other distro then :P	22:37
luke-jr	yabba: as I said, a LiveDVD should have PPP	22:38
jacekowski	gentoo is pita	22:38
luke-jr	if necessary, you can install Gentoo from Ubuntu ;p	22:38
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yabba	luke-jr, If I can choose, I could get win7, but for this laptop it is waste of money (this laptop is time to time more the useless brick than Apple 3 was)	22:40
luke-jr	yabba: it is always a waste of money	22:40
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yabba	luke-jr, no I don't think so	22:42
luke-jr	your problem :)	22:43
yabba	vista was waste of money (and the reason why I started to use linux), but because I love to play games (and hate to fight and wait whit wine) windows is also a choice	22:43
_llll_	the guy's considering gentoo, "waste" is presumably not a wor dhe has a good understanding of	22:44
johnsq	lucky that there will be less games for it	22:44
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GAN900	Jaffa, yeah, I'm pretty sure I forgot about DST. :/	22:45
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luke-jr	yabba: as if games are exclusive to Windows	22:46
luke-jr	GAN900: was DST today??	22:47
luke-jr	that would explain why my alarm clocks didn't wake me up until 9	22:47
yabba	luke-jr, sadly thats true, but I put all my hopes in steam.	22:49
luke-jr	steam?	22:49
luke-jr	not sure it's a good idea to boil water under your tablet	22:49
yabba	:P	22:51
yabba	Valve steam http://store.steampowered.com/	22:51
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yabba	And no, last thing the very last thing (even die before) is, that I would take a Mac	22:52
luke-jr	proprietary crap? worthless	22:52
luke-jr	also http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_steam_announcement&num=1	22:54
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yabba	luke-jr, that's old news, but we still need to wait (same thing with voddler) and it is not helping me at the moment	22:55
luke-jr	so get some good games	22:56
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range	I bet they don't deliver to Yurp.	23:19
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jaska	riding pretty low there	23:22
jaska	now to get rid of the quickbar in terminal :\|	23:23
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jaska	google doesnt seem to be my friend, and its not disableable in menu like in n810	23:24
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jaska	aah... gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar -t bool "false"	23:31
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Toba	jaska: did you figure out how to get rid of the quickbar?	23:38
jaska	gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar -t bool "false" did it for me in fullscreen mode	23:38
Toba	its using so much real estate....	23:38
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Toba	.... oh	23:38
jaska	ctrl-backspace still works to get out	23:38
Toba	nice	23:39
jaska	forgot it was called keybar... after that searching actually helped	23:39
DocScrutinizer	xterm? you're mad? ctrl-cr	23:41
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Toba	sweet, thanks	23:43
jaska	mad? how?	23:43
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jaska	hadnt realized the usb connector was same size as n810, dont need to keep both cables attached :D	23:44
pupnik	thanks for orp packaging MohammadAG_	23:48
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DocScrutinizer	jaska: they're not. N810 has an AB-receptacle, N900 a B-type. The B-plug of the cable will match both though	23:53
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jaska	ah, its the only microusb(?) cable ive ever seen so :)	23:54
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