IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2010-05-14

DocScrutinizer51lcuk: I'm tempted to do. They told me they need to send it in to nokia repair central services as it was them who did the prev repair00:00
Arkenoinot really bad00:00
mtnbkrtybollt: or a pretty good school (depending on your political bent)   :)00:00
DocScrutinizer51though the repair itself prolly will take 20min00:00
Arkenoibut we went to a shooting ranage just once00:00
lcuktybollt, theres many countries in the world and each has its own rules regulations munitions and people00:00
tybolltDocScrutinizer51: mine was parently sent to germany for service.00:00
Arkenoishells were expensive00:00
tybolltmtnbkr: hrr hrr00:00
lcuklol DocScrutinizer5100:00
Arkenoiso i volunteered to go to some rifle shooting, it was not mandatory00:01
hawai`iI'm Canadian. What's a gun? :P00:01
tybolltlcuk: if you studfy in Iraq and Afghanistan or perhaps Gaza strip maybe you need to take the AK47 101 class - but in other countries? HELL NO00:01
Arkenois/ranage/range/00:02
tybollthawai`i: boo, you all hunt moose over there =)00:02
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DocScrutinizer51lcuk: (ammo) Aegypt red, Finnland black00:02
Arkenoithe school sucket otherwise, except that military part which was pretty boring most of the time as well00:02
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DocScrutinizer51lcuk: (sisterhood, Gift)00:03
tybolltArkenoi: where'd you go to school?00:03
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Arkenoitoo little shooting too much dealing with gas mask etc00:03
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Arkenoisaint petersburg00:03
lcuktybollt, why so strongly against it?  do you feel strongly enough to fight for the principle?00:03
Arkenoiit was called Leningrad back then00:04
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lcuki have never fired a real gun00:04
Arkenoiah, and i forgot to mention all that communist propaganda and bullshit00:04
Arkenoithat killed all the fun almost completely00:05
tybolltst petersburg then arkenoi00:06
tybolltehr wait no00:06
tybolltyes00:06
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tybolltlcuk: sorry but weapons are bad. period.00:07
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lcuktybollt, in some places there isn't a choice.00:08
lcukand telling the person pointing a gun at you they are bad isnt really going to do much00:08
SpeedEvilIt may make him die of laughter.00:09
lcukso, learn to run very fast00:09
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* Arkenoi still visits shooting range occasinally. a day may come to throw putin, luzhkov and other assholes down and it might be handy to know how to shoot ;-)00:09
lcukor accept that some places have standard munitions training00:09
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DocScrutinizer51tybollt: basically everything s a weapon if you know hpow to use it. I admit there's tools with a purpose more clearly aimed at extermination of personell00:10
Myrtticheesecake!00:10
inkbottleSome fonts are missing to visualize this page: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/colloquial, with default n900 browser. How to fix that?00:11
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inkbottleI've searched the web, but haven't found anything so far00:11
* DocScrutinizer51 hands Myrtti a can with pressurized cream00:12
* Arkenoi used to beat annoying people with an umbrella. not special self-defence umbrella (such a thing does exist), but a regular one. the bad part is that it could be used only once, it breaks ;-)00:12
lcukMyrtti, cheesecak is dangerous00:13
* omar thinks Arkenoi sounds like a cranky grandpa00:13
lcukcheesecake00:13
lcuktybollt sounds crankier00:13
* omar cranks up the volume00:13
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Arkenoiomar: i looks almost like one, just not very old ;-)00:13
lcukwho remembers bow and arrows with suckers on the end :D00:13
omarcool :)00:14
Myrttioh meh. first I was like, -______-, then I thought let's have coffee. Then I remembered I don't have milk. now I'm .____.00:14
omarare you supposed to shoot the suckers into your moufs?00:14
lcukMyrtti, black coffee ftw00:14
Myrtti*yawn*00:14
Myrttiew00:14
omareww coffee w/o milk00:14
lcukill email you some milk00:14
omargo buy some dood00:15
Myrttithanks.00:15
Arkenoihttp://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/photo/my/arkanoid24.jpg00:15
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omarthat's you Arkenoi?00:15
omardoesn't ur neck beard itch? :P00:16
Myrttiomar: there's some problems with your suggestions, namely a) I don't have a car b) I don't have drivers licence c) being a pedestrian right here, right now is a silent wish for suicide00:16
omarMyrtti, where do you live? and why don't you have all these necessities?00:17
lbtcake.... http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/4604426181/00:17
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lcukMyrtti, high vis jacket and ample handfuls of cheesecake00:17
lcukholyhell lbt00:17
* thresh doesnt have a drivers license either00:17
lbtjust so you can look at it :)00:17
tybolltlbt: what's that?00:17
Myrttiomar: I'm staying in a hotel in Silicon Valley that's situated between two highways.00:17
Arkenoiwell, now i look more like that: http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/photo/my/meeting.jpg00:18
lbtlemon sponge pudding cake00:18
tybolltlbt: looks yummy >:)00:18
tybolltlbt: YUMMY00:18
omarMyrtti, wow sleeping must suck!00:18
lbtit's kinda like lemon curd00:18
tybolltlbt: recipe, bitte00:18
lbtit takes about 20 mins ...00:18
Myrttiomar: did I mention I wanted coffee?00:18
omaryeah you did... maybe you should get some rest00:18
tybolltlbt: so, hand me :)00:18
omaryou're starting to repeat yourself00:18
tybolltyou're starting to repeat yourself00:19
lbttybollt: typing00:19
tybolltlbt: what the hell - just cut'n'paste ;)00:19
omarArkenoi, now i thikn you're just finding random photos before the world was in color00:19
DocScrutinizer51I repeat myself when I'm under stress00:20
DocScrutinizer51I repeat myself when I'm under stress00:20
DocScrutinizer51I repeat myself when I'm under stress00:20
lbttybollt: cut'n'paste? I'm a chef... it's in my head00:20
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lcukok, medical team, prepare david for surgery, i want 0.5mm slices00:21
Myrttiall hotel and no home make Myrtti a sad girl.00:21
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Myrttiall hotel and no home make Myrtti a sad girl.00:21
lcuktracy makes a great lemon drizzle cake00:21
Myrttiall hotel and no home make Myrtti a sad girl.00:21
tybolltyeah00:21
tybolltI spent two months in a hotel room last summer, central copenhagen00:21
tybolltworst summer in my life00:21
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Myrttiwe have a kitchen. too bad the utensils are so shit it's next to impossible to cook anything00:22
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Myrtticoncave stainless steel frying pan, steak knives for cutting...00:23
Arkenoiomar: well, this one is in color: http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/photo/my/troff-bd.jpg00:23
omari see00:24
Myrttianyway, I was going for a shower00:24
lbttybollt: done...00:24
omarlooking stylish there00:24
tybolltgo for starbucks instead00:24
tybolltlbt: ok!?00:24
lbtrefresh00:24
Myrttitybollt: starbucks is even further away than a shop selling milk. nice idea tho00:24
* Myrtti buggers off to shower00:25
omarArkenoi, http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/photo/my/cc05-2.jpg you damage anyone w/that umbrella?00:25
* DocScrutinizer51 feels with Myrtti while nippin on his latte macchiato00:26
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Arkenoiomar: likely, i wasted one umbrella in saint petersburg (maybe that one) and two in moscow ;-)00:27
SpeedEvilArkenoi: With or without the ricin-ball in the tip?00:27
tybolltlbt: woot awesome, vielen dank Her!00:27
tybolltr00:27
omarArkenoi, u should just smack people with your hand would save you money on umbrellas ;)00:27
Arkenoiomar, yes, but it makes more fun with umbrella ;-)00:28
lbtenjoy... it really is pretty good ... especially if you like lemon curd / lemon cheese00:28
tybolltFUCK DAMIT flat out of eggs00:28
tybollt:(00:28
tybolltno cake for me00:28
* SpeedEvil has eggs.00:29
* SpeedEvil should make cake.00:29
* omar has chickens00:29
* omar that lay eggs00:29
tybolltgrrrr00:29
lbttakes about 20 mins SpeedEvil...00:29
SpeedEvillbt: I know the theory.00:29
SpeedEvillbt: I only have one lemon though.00:29
* omar has a lemon tree00:29
lbtheh, a recipe is like advice...00:29
lbtgot an orange?00:30
tybolltomar: I'd get chickens..00:30
Arkenoihttp://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/photo/my/mouse.jpg - btw i caught a live mouse in the office once ;-)00:30
SpeedEvilI just have raspberries in the garden, and apples, and some spinach.00:30
DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: wait I'll drop in for a piece00:30
Arkenoithere is the proof00:30
tybolltbut my cats would probably kill the chickens :(00:30
SpeedEvil(only the spinach is functional yet)00:30
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lbtthere you go, 1 lemon and 5-8 raspberries...00:30
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tybolltSpeedEvil: spinach stew is awesome w/ a nice deepfried halibut or such00:31
omartybollt, we have them in a gigantic metallic cage.. but we actually have a lot of younger ones just roaming around our lawn and we have plenty  of stray cats here00:31
omari don't know how they aren't dead00:31
omarthey huddle en masse though so that might help00:31
* lbt once saw his cat chased off by a couple of pheasants...00:31
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lbtI always teased him about that ;)00:32
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tybolltomar: hmm yeah.. I dream of one day moving out to the country side... some poultry... pigs... etc... I could kill a baby pig for dinner every night00:34
tybolltthey cooked baby pig on TV tonight, god damn that looked tasty00:34
* lbt thinks about the smell of a pig farm.... maybe not00:34
omarhah00:34
tybolltoh yeah?00:34
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omari'm gonna pass out00:35
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tybolltthink about the smell of a baby pig stuffed w/ various greens slow roasted over an open fire00:35
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SpeedEvil1http://www.mauve.plus.com/1271538541770.jpg - I have not eaten the one on the left. (yet)00:39
BCMMlbt: your cat should see this: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/06/images/060613-cat-bear_big.jpg00:40
omaru ate a bunny wabbit?!00:40
SpeedEvil1nom00:41
omari want a cat ;(00:41
lbtBCMM: heh :)00:41
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* SpeedEvil1 passes omar a nice cat, with some onions, with an orange sauce.00:42
Myrttibugger.00:42
omarMyrtti,  u want roasted cat w/onions and orange sauce?00:42
Mouseyyum00:42
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omarwait wait.. who says bugger? is that a UK term?00:43
SpeedEvil1yes00:43
BCMMyes indeed00:44
omari have a memory of someone saying "buggah" in a deep english voice.. that's how i guessed ;)00:44
BCMMdo they not say it in the US?00:44
omarit might have been "oh buggah"00:44
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omarnope00:44
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omarMyrtti, while you're in that area try to get someone to drive you on highway 1 ;)00:46
omarand go to berkeley hills00:46
omaresp at night time00:46
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Myrttiomar: we're leaving on Saturday, and we've done plenty of sightseeing.00:47
GAN900BCMM, usually only ironically. ;)00:47
omaro i see00:47
GAN900Myrtti, see the redwoods?00:47
omari miss that area ;(00:47
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MyrttiGAN900: nah, but we did drive from santa cruz to san jose00:47
GAN900Myrtti, then you haven't done enough sightseeing. :P00:48
omarMyrtti, did you eat pho yet?00:48
omargo eat pho00:48
omarNOW00:48
MyrttiGAN900: I know, we haven't had time to do sightseeing other than on weekends00:48
SpeedEvil1Isn't that one of the teletubbies?00:48
GAN900Myrtti, too bad.00:48
GAN900SpeedEvil1, Vietnamese soup.00:49
omarhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Pho_in_Saigon.jpg/800px-Pho_in_Saigon.jpg00:49
omarthis stuff is amazing00:49
omari used to eat it 5x a week00:49
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omarit's pronounced "fuh" though so don't look stupid ;P00:51
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tremnite all, sweet dreams00:55
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* DocScrutinizer wonders if omar is doing the old nasty joke of teaching french that "fuck you asshole" means merci beaucoup00:58
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SpeedEvilIn some tones of voice it does.01:02
SpeedEvilAs can 'Have a nice day' have a similar meaning.01:02
Macerspy game is a good movie01:03
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DocScrutinizerstill I wonder what pho might be (other than a request to get raped)01:08
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lcukanyone know roughly how many machines can be sat around a single wifi router before it is saturated01:09
lcukthinking irc spec data transfer only01:09
DocScrutinizergood question01:09
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lcukno heavy web/downloads01:09
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DocScrutinizerprolly the number is *virtually* unlimited, just determined by the type of network you configure. And of course by the max number of sessions in your NAT01:10
BCMMlcuk: i believe some routers have an actual limit that is reachable01:10
BCMMlcuk: as for how many before there isn't enough bandwidth, that really really depends on what you mean by "heavy"01:11
DocScrutinizerfor all practical purposes I'd guess a few dozen clients is the maximum01:11
lcukwell bcmm, as i said irc chitchat rather than than downloading divs movies01:11
lcukbut it would be with udp multicast01:11
BCMMlcuk: for just irc, it's probably close to whatever the router supports...01:11
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lcukyeah BCMM i thought as much, i wonder about an adhoc session01:12
DocScrutinizerdon't forget collisions01:12
lcukand whether you can actually do full meshing01:12
BCMMi know nothing at all about ad-hoc01:12
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lcukDocScrutinizer, collisions?01:12
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lcukahh ip based?01:12
lcukie dhcp?01:12
DocScrutinizerat some point the number of retransmits will explode01:12
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DocScrutinizernah, just media sharing01:13
lcukretransmit is tcp01:13
DocScrutinizermedie here is RF01:13
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lcukudp connectionless protocol01:13
lcukdo best to get through to everyone01:13
lcukbut those at the back might struggle to hear01:13
DocScrutinizerstill on RF two clients may collide01:14
lcukmesh would be better really01:14
lcukrog01:14
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BCMMdoes the n900 do mesh networking?01:15
lcukBCMM, it does adhoc (very well actually)01:15
lcukbut alas, i dont think true mesh01:15
DocScrutinizerand as there's no real collision detect on WLAN (as you can't receive the true media while you send) you need ACK from AP anyway01:15
BCMMyeah, noticed the ad-hoc support when trying to find wifi in a station01:15
ManoftheSeaI thought I read the hardware would support mesh.01:15
lcukBCMM, it might njust be a driver issue tho - i havent looked into how (for example) the OLPC does mesh01:16
ManoftheSea802.11u, or something?01:16
lcukyeah it will be protocol rather than specifics01:16
lcukwe have the radio to do it01:16
crashanddieis mesh worth it, really?01:16
crashanddieWhen you have 3g?01:16
BCMMany idea if it's capable (in hardware) of infrastructure mode?01:16
lcukcrashanddie, 3g isnt everywhere01:17
ManoftheSeaand sometimes, you want to network with people nearby01:17
DocScrutinizerwell, when the chip knows promiscuous mode and packet inject, you can do whatever you want01:17
ManoftheSeaI know, a phone so you can talk to people next to you.01:17
lcukand in large densely populated places you can get higher bandwidth over wifi01:17
BCMMDocScrutinizer: and the n900 does?01:17
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crashanddieManoftheSea: in which case dhcpcd + ad-hoc should be sufficient01:17
lcukcrashanddie, sharing photos in back of mcdonalds01:17
BCMMby infrastructure mode, i mean acting as an access point01:17
DocScrutinizermoitor/promiscuous seems to work, though "only on chan 6" ;-P01:18
DocScrutinizerdunno about injection01:18
lcukyes BCMM we have that now too afaik dont we01:18
lcukno injection yet01:18
lcukbut i saw the chan 6 had been worked around with a kernel hack01:18
crashanddielcuk: haven't checked up on infra mode lately01:18
BCMMyou mean it does do AP mode?01:18
crashanddielcuk: last I heard it didn't work yet01:18
lcukBCMM, theres an app you can buy to do it isnt there?01:18
lcukyou buy it, it turns n900 into AP01:19
lcukand all computers connect and use 3g01:19
* lcuk cant remember name01:19
lcukor am i wrong01:19
BCMMisn't taht just money for netfilter settings?01:19
DocScrutinizerand fries your CPU01:19
DocScrutinizer:-P01:19
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lcukwhich app s it01:19
DocScrutinizerjoghurtspot?01:19
lcukBCMM, its money for a practical user friendly solution01:19
BCMMfair enough01:20
BCMMi'm not entirely clear as to the difference between infrastructure and ad-hoc01:21
DocScrutinizeradhoc is peer to peer01:21
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BCMMi mean, what would the disadvantage be if one just put several machines on an ad-hoc, but the n900 was running DHCP and NAT?01:21
DocScrutinizerinfra is with a central AP01:21
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lcukBCMM, it may be thats exactly whats happening01:22
MohammadAG_adhoc kills the battery01:22
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lcukbut moh is right, adhoc has no battery saving01:22
MohammadAG_PSM doesn't function in adhoc...01:22
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MohammadAG_nvm01:22
* lcuk waves @ moh01:22
lcuk\o01:22
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lcuk#/me remembers where tab complete it01:22
lcukis01:22
DocScrutinizerwell yoghurtspot is notorious to kill battery and melt the plastic case, no?01:22
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, somewhere, someone was using JoikuSpot and.... http://www.ripten.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/nuke-needs-to-be-bigger.jpg01:23
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PhonicUKhey all01:32
PhonicUKMohammadAG, Did you ever get the keyboard to flash against mic amplitude?01:34
MohammadAGnope, haven't even touched it lol01:34
PhonicUK:P01:34
MohammadAGI wanted to make a UI in Qt Designer, but I think coding it from scratch is easier01:34
MohammadAGor I could just rip off one of lcuk's UIs :P01:34
lcukPhonicUK, thats relatively simple to implement01:34
PhonicUKQt Designer is really easy01:34
PhonicUKI know :P01:35
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lcukthe problem is requiring root for changing the values01:35
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MohammadAGGetting a date with terminal open on your phone is easier01:35
PhonicUKMohammad and I where talking about it in at some length the other week01:35
lcukwell MohammadAG thats fine :) everything i code is open01:35
MohammadAGlcuk, lol was jk :P01:35
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lcukbut its better if others get involved01:35
MohammadAGlcuk, most of the liq* apps are C++ right?01:35
lcukraw c01:35
* MohammadAG never really got the difference between C and C++01:36
lcukbut obviously recently ive been playing with qt and python01:36
MohammadAGnot my language though :P01:36
PhonicUKI wanna port a game ive written to C++/OGRE/OpenGL ES 2.001:36
PhonicUKmassive amount of work tho :\01:36
MohammadAGask for help? :)01:36
lcukwell c++ came by wanting to make structs into classes and true objects01:36
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lcukso CFront came around which did that01:36
MohammadAGuhuh01:36
lcukit compiled C++ files to native c01:36
MohammadAGyou lost me at structs01:37
PhonicUKlol01:37
crashanddielcuk: so how could those become objects in c code then?01:37
MohammadAGmagic, as steve jobs would say01:37
lcukcrashanddie, an object is just a struct01:37
crashanddielcuk: wrapper functions around each struct, for each object.function() call?01:37
lcukwith a list of methods attached01:37
PhonicUKno, steve jobs would say "We're not letting developers do that on the iPhone"01:38
crashanddielcuk: so that it would become function(object)?01:38
lcukobject.function(args);01:38
lcukbecomes01:38
lcukclass_function(object,args);01:38
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crashanddieinteresting01:38
crashanddiethat actually works?01:38
lcuktheres nothing magic about OO programming01:38
MohammadAGPhonicUK, doesn't the iPhone use ObjectC? which is similar to C?01:38
lcuksure01:38
PhonicUKyou can use C, C++ or Objective C01:38
lcuka class is just a collection of methods related to a block of data01:39
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MohammadAGmeaning steave jobs didn't disallow it :P01:39
crashanddieMohammadAG: erhm, objective C isn't really like C, I mean, it's more related to C# than C01:39
PhonicUKan update for Chromium is out :D01:39
PhonicUK<3 C#01:39
MohammadAGI always thought C# was a typo01:39
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crashanddieit should've been01:39
lcukmicrosoft java01:39
PhonicUKC# is an awesome language01:39
PhonicUKthat would be J# :P01:39
PhonicUKwhich sucks01:39
crashanddiewell, it is fun01:39
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PhonicUKI love the .NET framework01:40
crashanddiebut doesn't really bring anything over C++ or Java to warrant going to C#01:40
PhonicUKand how everything is organized in namespaces01:40
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crashanddiewell, except if you like .NET01:40
MohammadAGtbh I started reading a C++ book in June last year01:40
kalikianacrashanddie, wrong. objetive-c is a strict superset of C, unlike C# it is not an entirely new language01:40
lcukcrashanddie, regarding c++ downgrades i would love to use cfront to have object.method() syntax01:40
lcukits so much cleaner01:40
MohammadAGthen I reached some stuff about unsinged and signed01:40
crashanddiekalikiana: aye, but in usage01:40
MohammadAGI got lost there01:40
MohammadAGabout 50 pages into the book01:40
PhonicUKI wanna make something like PHP, but using Lua as the underlaying language01:40
lcukunsigned and signed01:40
crashanddielcuk: indeed01:41
MohammadAGunsinged was a typo :)01:41
PhonicUKand instead of storing files in the filesystem, I would have a massive database that stored the files+documents used by the webserver01:41
crashanddielcuk: hey, if it works, I'm all for it01:41
lcukMohammadAG, thats even easier if you know asm and binary representation of numbers01:41
PhonicUKthe entire thing sandboxed01:41
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MohammadAGI have a calculator :P01:41
crashanddielcuk: there's a moment where objects get easier to handle, quite simply01:41
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kalikianacrashanddie, it depends on how you use it, like C++. you *can* use it to do exactly the same01:41
MohammadAGassembly language, oh01:41
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lcukyup crashanddie01:42
crashanddiePhonicUK: try python01:42
MohammadAGthen I learned about Qt, thought it would make programming like ms paint01:42
MohammadAGso I stopped reading the book01:42
PhonicUKcrashanddie, why?01:42
kalikianalol01:42
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MohammadAGapparently I was wrong about the last part01:42
lcukkalikiana, sure for your own codebase you can specify the format and grammar and scope of what you expect your teams to use01:42
lcukbut hitting a random c++ codebase can feel like a whole other language01:43
crashanddiePhonicUK: it has all those cheatingly easy shortcuts that programming languages should've had for ages, and just makes programming fun again01:43
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MohammadAGnever got the static and void parts too01:43
crashanddieMohammadAG: those are easy01:43
PhonicUKVB.Net is the language i use for fun stuff :P01:43
MohammadAGcrashanddie, easy for you to say01:43
PhonicUKC# for serious stuff01:43
lcukvb6 was my toy01:43
PhonicUKC++/C for really serious stuff01:43
crashanddieand which is why, PhonicUK, you'll never be taken seriously on this channel :)01:43
crashanddie(sarcasm flag raised)01:43
MohammadAGlol01:43
PhonicUK:P01:43
lcukPhonicUK, vb.net and c# should be functionally equivilent?01:44
PhonicUKthey are01:44
crashanddieequivalent even01:44
lcukthey both compile to the same intermediate binary01:44
PhonicUKtheres bits of each i prefer though01:44
PhonicUKi prefer typecasting in C#01:44
* lcuk likes the .net framework, i hate the IDE01:44
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crashanddieequivilent == as evil one as the other01:44
PhonicUKi prefer interface and generic type handling in VB.Net01:44
Macerknow what's funny. when the NFL is ok with guys who drive drunk and smash into people killing them01:44
crashanddie(or vile, if you prefer)01:44
Maceror fighting dogs until one dies for fun01:44
PhonicUKthe C# syntax for both feel a bit tacked on and clunky01:44
Macerhttp://www.tmz.com/2010/05/12/nfl-marijuana-football-league-national-football-league-420-weed-shield-logo/01:44
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Macerbut don't mess with their logo :)01:44
crashanddieMacer: we don't give a flying sod about nfl01:44
Macerhahaha01:45
Macerwhat's a sod?01:45
PhonicUKlist<string> MyList = new list<string>;01:45
Maceris that euro for shit?01:45
PhonicUKdim MyList as new list(of sting)01:45
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lcukyeah phonic01:45
PhonicUKi prefer the 2nd syntax01:45
kalikianaPhonicUK, use vala, then you get "dim" masked as "var" in C# style syntax ;-)01:45
Maceri have a credit on my damn comcast service.. how awesome is that01:46
Macerthey owe ME money haha01:46
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PhonicUKi hate PHP xD01:46
PhonicUKwhich is annoying, because its what I have to use full time at work :\01:46
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PhonicUKx86 assembler is fun, in a masochistic kind of way01:47
lcukewww01:47
lcuk68k ftw01:47
PhonicUKlol M68xxx's are fun01:47
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PhonicUKPICs are sorta fun but annoying01:47
PhonicUKARM assembler is a pain01:47
PhonicUKSPARC assembler makes me want to tear my eyes out01:48
lcukthe nokia devices feel a lot like amigas to me01:48
lcukmulti chipset arch01:48
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lcukeach should be pulling weight01:48
PhonicUKlcuk, I wanna run the ARM port of AROS on my N900 :)01:48
Maceraros haha01:48
corecode_can we set up a gitorious repo with a proper kernel tree and branches for various additional features?01:48
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corecode_right now it seems a bit complicated to follow all quick development01:49
SpeedEvillcuk: Or alternatively, all should be off, with one doing the work of them all. (in low usage scenarios)01:49
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PhonicUKanyone tried to play any of the Metal Slug games in SDLMAME?01:50
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MohammadAGnot me01:50
Macermetal slug!01:50
PhonicUKi loved those games01:50
Macerhell yeah :) metal slug X was the best01:50
Maceri miss neogeo01:50
PhonicUKhigh five for Metal Slug01:50
Macersamurai showdown iv was the best too01:51
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PhonicUKgah everything looks small01:51
PhonicUKtime to sleep01:51
PhonicUKdoes anyone else get that?01:51
* SpeedEvil passes PhonicUK some binoculars.01:51
PhonicUKeverything looks like its really small and far away (especially peoples heads) when they are tired01:51
Maceri thought openarena played very well01:51
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PhonicUKi found openarena a bitch to control :|01:52
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Macertook me a while to realize it uses the phone as a directional pad01:52
Macerthe whole leaning left and right thing01:52
lcuk>> im outahere01:52
PhonicUKi still haven't got quake 2 to start :\01:52
Macerq2 was the horrible one01:52
PhonicUKsucks that it doesn't support OpenGL ES01:52
lcukcyas later #maemo MohammadAG PhonicUK Macer DocScrutinizer etc01:52
lcuk\o01:52
Macerthe first one and q3a were great01:52
PhonicUKcya lcuk01:52
Macerioquake isn't using gl?01:52
Macerfor quake 3?01:52
PhonicUKfor quake 3 it is01:52
Maceroh01:52
PhonicUKfor quake 1/2 its not01:53
Macerq2 sucked anyways :)01:53
PhonicUKQ1/Q2 is fun to play on my N97 :)01:53
Macerheh01:53
MohammadAGcya lcuk01:53
Macerq1 is a little dated.. i love q3.. openarena is actually pretty awesome as well01:53
Maceralthough i need to practice on the phone a bit more01:53
Macerit is hard for me to control it01:53
PhonicUKi can't find my Q3 disk01:53
Macerthe leaning will take getting used to for a little bit but with a little practice i should be able to kick some ass01:54
PhonicUKare the controls the same as openarena?01:54
Maceri haven't tried straight q301:54
Maceronly openarena01:54
Maceri can't find my disc either. i haven't used it in years01:54
Maceri'll just download one when i get the chance01:54
PhonicUKi find the controls in openarena very clunky01:54
Macerthe leaning is odd01:54
SpeedEvilthere is one obvious option.01:54
SpeedEvilThat would fix this for most games.01:55
Maceri wanted to hook a mouse/kb up to it01:55
PhonicUKid prefer to use the accelerometer for free look, and the keyboard for movement01:55
SpeedEvilOne n900 to control, one to play01:55
Macerand hook it up to the tv out01:55
MacerSpeedEvil: it isnt too bad01:55
Maceronce you get used to the leaning around it's pretty good01:55
Macerbut forward/backward is rather awkward though01:55
Macermaybe there should be a key to stop :) heh01:55
Macerlooking up and down is kind of flakey too. i want to get a bt mouse and use my bt keyboard and mouse and hook it up to the tv out and roll around kicking ass in openarena on my tv using my phone01:56
Macerhow awesome is that? almost as awesome as it would be if it had a cups port :)01:56
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PhonicUK<3 transmission ^_^01:58
PhonicUKdoes anyone else have their N900 doing torrenting duty overnight?01:58
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SpeedEvilPhonicUK: Mine sleeps at night.01:58
MacerPhonicUK: it has transmission?01:58
Macerhow about rtorrent? :)01:58
Macerheh01:59
Macerthat sounds like it would murder an n900 heh01:59
PhonicUKit works really well01:59
* Macer poctures torrenting over tmob 3G :)01:59
SpeedEvilIt's not _too_ bad - on wifi01:59
Macerpictures01:59
SpeedEvilit's pretty bad01:59
PhonicUKMacer, I tried that01:59
PhonicUKit works supprisingly well01:59
SpeedEvilit's pretty awful on 3g01:59
MacerPhonicUK: did it work? :)01:59
Macerhahaha01:59
Macerwow really?01:59
Macerthat's a shock01:59
PhonicUK45KB/s01:59
SpeedEvilyou'll prolly need to stick it in the fridge.01:59
Maceroh01:59
Macerthat's not too bad01:59
PhonicUKon 3G, not 3.5G01:59
Maceris there a gnutella client?01:59
Maceri hardly hit 3.5G02:00
Macermaybe if i am stationary in certain places in chicago but usually i'm on 3G02:00
PhonicUKive never tried it on 3.5G, i hit my home wifi first xD02:00
Macerheh02:00
PhonicUKBBC iPlayer works well though :)02:00
PhonicUKand 4oD02:01
PhonicUKiTV Player doesn't work tho :(02:01
* SpeedEvil wishes you could download shit properly.02:01
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PhonicUKSpeedEvil, I read that the wrong way :|02:01
PhonicUKwhat do you mean exactly anyways?02:01
Macerwtf is itv?02:01
MohammadAGTypeError: __init__() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given) grrr02:01
Macerheh02:01
MacerMohammadAG: just get rid of 1 argument02:02
PhonicUKITV is a British TV station02:02
Maceror put a proper } in02:02
SpeedEvilPhonicUK: My network is not always available02:02
PhonicUKaah02:02
SpeedEvilPhonicUK: I want to be able to download stuff to flash02:02
MohammadAGMacer, I'm not sure where that argument is02:02
Macerbritish tv? :)02:02
SpeedEvilMacer: Eddie Izard.02:02
PhonicUKyes, we have TV here in England :P02:02
MohammadAGorly?02:02
Macerdo they show csi london or something?02:02
MohammadAG:P02:02
PhonicUKAlso, the BBC stations have no advertisments :)02:02
MohammadAGLOL02:02
Maceris there a csi london?02:02
Macerheh02:02
PhonicUKwhich is awesome02:02
SpeedEvilMacer: sort-of02:03
* SpeedEvil forgets what it's called.02:03
MacerSpeedEvil: what do they call it? sherlock holmes?02:03
Macerhahaha02:03
PhonicUKhas anyone tried Open Remote Play?02:03
Maceri know there is a british law and order02:03
PhonicUKJohnathan Creek xD02:03
Macerit would be interesting if i understood british law :)02:03
SpeedEvilI can vaguely recall a sort of UK-CSI one02:03
SpeedEvilI forget the name though.02:03
MacerSpeedEvil: sherlock holmes! :-P02:04
SpeedEvilno02:04
MohammadAGTypeError: __init__() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given)02:04
* MohammadAG wonders what he removed02:04
MacerMohammadAG: a }02:04
MohammadAGprolly something that's actually important02:04
MohammadAGoh well, the dev can fix that02:04
Macerhaha02:04
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MohammadAGremoved another argument and it's showing the same error02:05
Macerwell you can't randomly remove them02:05
MohammadAGhe can fix that too02:05
Macerhaha02:05
Macerthat's like winning the lottery :)02:05
Macer}!02:05
PhonicUKwhats everyones N900 uptime?02:05
Macerah well. going to play wii with my son. ttyl02:05
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SpeedEvilMacer: Oh - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midsomer_Murders02:06
SpeedEvilwave02:06
PhonicUKcya Macer02:06
SpeedEvilot that02:06
SpeedEvilnot02:06
MohammadAGTypeError: unbound method __init__() must be called with HeAboutDialog instance as first argument (got GtkButton instance instead) <-- yep I broke something02:06
PhonicUKI should get some sleep02:06
PhonicUKlater all02:06
MohammadAGnight PhonicUK02:06
PhonicUKn802:06
Maceri have 3 days02:06
Macerfor my uptime02:06
PhonicUKsame oddly enough xD02:06
Macerok.. later ;)02:06
PhonicUK+ 10 hours02:06
MacerWIIIIII02:06
* SpeedEvil ponders a killer app.02:07
SpeedEvilA wii liar.02:07
Macer03:07:19.0002:07
PhonicUKtrying to SSH my N900 is painful while its torrenting02:07
SpeedEvilYou pair a wii remote with the n90002:07
Macer03:07:19:0002:07
SpeedEvilyou pair the n900 as a wii remote with the wii02:07
MacerSpeedEvil: can you do that??02:07
Macerheh02:07
Macer i hacked my wii02:07
SpeedEvilyou set a variable 'screw' - and you hand the other wii remote to your opponent02:07
Macerand shoved a ton of games on a usb hd02:07
Macer:)02:07
SpeedEvilIn principle02:07
PhonicUKhahaha02:08
PhonicUKi can see where thats going02:08
jogahehe02:08
PhonicUKyou know what would be cooler?02:08
PhonicUKthe ability to record and playback movements :P02:08
SpeedEvilOr of course that02:08
SpeedEvilmacros02:08
Macerhah02:08
Maceryeah but you can't connect a nunchuck to the n90002:08
Macer:/02:08
jogabut it would need to control the human02:08
joga;)02:08
PhonicUKcan you connect a Wiimote?02:08
lcukduct tape02:08
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PhonicUKIve connected one of my PS3 controllers, thats quite cool to do02:08
Macerlcuk: hahaha02:08
joganunchuk connects to the wiimote02:09
MacerPhonicUK: find me nba live for n900 :-D02:09
Maceri love nba live02:09
PhonicUKif only the Playstation emulator was up to scratch...02:09
PhonicUKshame because theres an emu for the OpenPandora (same OMAP3 chip) that runs full speed02:09
jogahow's openpandora doing?02:09
MacerPhonicUK: there is a such thing as an openpandora?02:09
Maceri thought that was vaporware :)02:09
PhonicUKno idea, i used to have a pandora preorder, but I cancelled it02:09
Macerhahaha02:09
Macerwhen did you preorder? 20 years ago?02:10
PhonicUKlol02:10
Macer:)02:10
PhonicUKi had a preorder for about a year02:10
Macertouchbook was my lesson in pre-ordering02:10
MacerNEVER.... AGAIN02:10
PhonicUKi was position ~1500 ish in a queue of 4000 people02:10
PhonicUKI pre order games, but I don't think ill be preordering hardware again02:10
MacerPhonicUK: are they actually shipping them out?02:11
PhonicUKnot yet02:11
Macerhahaha!02:11
MacerSTILL??02:11
PhonicUKthey're not fully assembled yet xD02:11
Macerthey must be making them by hand02:11
PhonicUKhttp://www.open-pandora.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=2&Itemid=2&lang=en02:11
Macer"hand crafted!"02:11
Macerheh02:11
kalikianahence the term pre-order. like pre-historic, it's already dead but still talked about...02:11
jogaI guess they had some misfortunate delays in the manufacturing and stuff, I remember seeing photos of chips that got busted in transit or something02:11
PhonicUKits been the ultimate nightmare of a project02:12
PhonicUKi hope they pull it off eventually02:12
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DocScrutinizerweather fine here?02:12
PhonicUKI don't think i'll be getting one though02:12
PhonicUKmy N900 does anything the pandora can02:12
jogaand, well, now I have a cell phone that seems versatile enough, but when pandora was a new thing I thought it was pretty cool02:12
PhonicUKall it doesn't have is the gaming controls02:12
Macerso they are hand crafting them!02:12
PhonicUKnow the pandoras hardware is looking a bit dated02:12
Maceri thoguht it was supposed to be a gaming thing02:13
PhonicUKwhen it first got announced it was really like, wow02:13
Macerlike that was its intent :)02:13
PhonicUKit is a gaming thing02:13
SpeedEvilMacer: http://xkcd.com/644/02:13
PhonicUKi was saying my N900 doesn't ahve gaming controls02:13
Maceroh02:13
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SpeedEvilrelevant xkcd is relevant.02:13
MacerPhonicUK: hook up a ps3 controller :)02:13
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PhonicUKway ahead of you :P02:13
Macerand tv out02:13
PhonicUKPS3 controller + TV Out + Dr Nok Nes02:13
DocScrutinizerPhonicUK: (pandora) yeah, raster and me even planned to base a phone on that design :-D02:13
Macerhaha02:13
Macerdr nok nes!02:13
Macerah well. bbl. ;) take care.. going now02:14
PhonicUKor Picodrive02:14
PhonicUKI played Sonic 3 on a 60" TV not so long ago02:14
PhonicUKthat was sweeeeeeeeeet02:14
* SpeedEvil ponders.02:15
kalikianasonic the pixel hog02:15
kalikiananow with ultra big pixels02:15
PhonicUKpray tell SpeedEvil, what doth ye ponder upon?02:15
jogaif only the pixels were made of something that looked like real material02:15
ManoftheSeaMan, I can't stand CDMA carriers02:15
PhonicUKlol02:15
ManoftheSeaBecause with GSM, they give me a service.02:15
PhonicUKLEGO bricks xD02:16
ManoftheSeaCDMA sell me a phone.02:16
jogayeah :)02:16
SpeedEvilI was wondering what features I would want in a phone that would make it a compelling upgrade from teh n900 and is physically possible with current technology.02:16
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zashHoolxi: LEGO PIXELS FTW02:16
jogaor stereoscopic pixels at least or something, and some texture on them02:16
PhonicUKSpeedEvil, what about a A9 CPU?02:16
ManoftheSeaSpeedEvil: smaller,  bigger screen?02:16
SpeedEvils/physically/economically/02:16
infobotSpeedEvil meant: I was wondering what features I would want in a phone that would make it a compelling upgrade from teh n900 and is economically possible with current technology.02:16
PhonicUKDual Core @ 1.2GHz02:16
ManoftheSeaI'd want a crypto-engine.02:16
SpeedEvilManoftheSea: yes - at least half the size, with a 12" screen.02:16
PhonicUKmaybe a higher resolution screen the same size02:16
SpeedEvilManoftheSea: tere is one02:16
jogaI assume you've all seen the youtube video 8-bit trip by some swedish guys02:16
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: fullsize screen *FUUL*size02:16
ManoftheSeaSpeedEvil: crypto-engine in the A8?02:16
ManoftheSeaoh hell yes.02:17
SpeedEvilhttp://www.mail-archive.com/linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org/msg04318.html02:17
SpeedEvilet al02:17
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: yes - that02:17
ManoftheSeaIf I actually owned an n900, ALL my traffic would be ipsec and ssl tunneled back to my home simply because I can.02:17
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: multitouch might be good02:17
DocScrutinizerno friggin bezel02:17
ManoftheSeaBut I'm only evaluating the n90002:17
DocScrutinizerframe whatever02:17
ManoftheSeawait, only sha1 and md5?02:18
ManoftheSeaWhat are you trying to pull, I thought you said it supported crypto02:18
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: yeah, surface wave02:18
PhonicUKI want a screen that unfolds to be 1ft across02:18
PhonicUKand is 100000x300000 pixels in resolution02:18
SpeedEvilManoftheSea: I haven't read deeper. It may be just a hardware hasning unit02:18
jogawhy not 20 feet02:18
PhonicUKand a 4GHz octocore processor02:18
kalikianaPhonicUK, bad luck if it gets stuck in the car door02:18
PhonicUKand 2 weeks continual battery life02:18
ManoftheSeaI like my gPC.  It's a Via C-7, it's got some padlock thing...02:19
jogaPhonicUK, so, you want to be an engineer then? ;)02:19
SpeedEvilWhich is why I said physically and economically possible.02:19
PhonicUKjoga, Arguably, I'm already an engineer :P02:19
PhonicUKmy job title is "Software Engineer"02:19
ManoftheSeaAES in hardware, two thermal RNGs02:19
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: and, depending on what you're wiling to carry around for bat weight, built-in microprojector, also usable as a desktop virtual keyboard02:19
PhonicUKits almost ironic, because guess who I work for :P02:19
jogaPhonicUK, I bet a hardware engineer is needed to get the display you want02:19
joga:)02:19
PhonicUKlol02:19
ManoftheSeaActually, I'd like a slightly larger battery.02:20
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: Or alternatively, an a4 sheet of paper, with a keyboard on itand the front camera.02:20
ManoftheSea12 hours under routine use, 3 under constant use.02:20
ManoftheSeaSpeedEvil: you want an iPad?02:20
DocScrutinizerheh, not bad either02:20
Termanagood morning02:20
jogaManoftheSea, hmm, I think it already lasts that long at least02:20
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: you already patented it? ;-D02:20
ManoftheSeajoga: that's what I'm seeing.02:20
ManoftheSeaI want more.02:20
PhonicUKI really should sleep02:21
PhonicUKlater all02:21
jogamy routine use without heavy load is something I can do for probably 3 days02:21
ManoftheSeaCourse...  I also wanted to buy solar panals and a LiIon pack, with a USB charger.02:21
ManoftheSeaLeave the panels in the sun, come back to my car and plug it in, etc.02:21
SpeedEvilManoftheSea: The ipad is too heavy.02:21
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: HDMI and a nice visor02:21
DocScrutinizerwith eyetracking02:21
ManoftheSeajoga: 3 days on the same charge?02:21
SpeedEvilIt's 0.7Kg.02:21
PhonicUKN900 would be awesome with HDMI out02:21
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ManoftheSeaHDMI?  Isn't that some DRM?  You can't have that on Linux!02:21
jogaManoftheSea, yeah, I just used it for almost 2 days while ircing and using gps and maps quite a bit, and surfing occasionally02:22
SpeedEvilFor 1.1Kg, I had a 8 hour battery life laptop, that had a nice keyboard, trackstick, and the same size of screen.02:22
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: not the ones they got in mission impossible ;-P02:22
SpeedEvilMg/Al case02:22
ManoftheSeajoga: how?  I can't get it to last one day, even if I don't use it.02:22
ManoftheSeais there a firmware update I might need to do?02:22
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: 3D!!! the KILLER FEATURE02:23
DocScrutinizernad SOOO simple02:23
MohammadAG<PhonicUK> N900 would be awesome with HDMI out02:23
MohammadAGhost mode!02:23
SpeedEvilFor proper 3d, they need to get with the fleshlight people.02:23
DocScrutinizerbah02:23
MohammadAG:P02:23
jogaManoftheSea: I dunno, the only two semi-active widgets I have are omweather and some rss ticker, and they only do it like every 4 hours, I've disabled the vibration response on the touchscreen, and not much else I guess02:23
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: Indeed - I want composite in too.02:23
DocScrutinizerhostmode -worth nuttin!02:23
MohammadAGwhy :(02:24
DocScrutinizerlol02:24
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, yeah, composite's good for me02:24
ManoftheSeaI just recently disabled the vibration...  Since starting the motor is the largest drain on current.02:24
MohammadAGthought you lost hope or something lol02:24
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: So I can hook up really sensitive security cam to the n900 and see in IR02:24
ManoftheSeaI'll see how it affects it.02:24
jogaManoftheSea: also I don't stay logged in to skype unless I'm using wireless, 3G+skype seems to hog some02:24
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, tbh I want lasers02:24
jogaManoftheSea: and if I want to save it even more, I put the screen to its dimmest and just use gsm02:25
DocScrutinizerlaser driven micro projector02:25
DocScrutinizerno focusing02:25
ManoftheSeaI'm on at&t02:25
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, just a 200mW laser02:25
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ManoftheSeaLike I said, I'm only borrowing it.  So I took my pre-existing SIM02:25
SpeedEvillasers are not magic02:25
SpeedEvilthey have diffraction02:25
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: three! red, green, blue02:25
* SpeedEvil sees four lights.02:26
ManoftheSeaI want front camera during skype calls.02:26
lcukdo not look into laser with remainging eye02:26
pupnikLOL02:26
DocScrutinizerhehe02:26
jogaManoftheSea: also, I've seen some bad behavior from hildon-home (or -desktop, can't remember), where whenever I click the lock switch and the desktop is displayed, it starts computing something for a few seconds until it becomes responsive. it's some known bug I hope will be fixed, or some problem with a certain widget because rebooting resolves it until it appears again (maybe when they're updated?)02:27
DocScrutinizerwell most of my right eye still functioning well. Just the dark spot up there on the right border of vision02:27
jogaso I keep a cpu/mem statusbar thingy there and I can see if something is using cycles a lot02:27
DocScrutinizerbut then that was a 3W green02:27
DocScrutinizernot a silly 200mW02:28
ManoftheSeaI've had trouble with hildon freezing too.02:28
ManoftheSeaUsually right around 3 days uptime.02:28
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, or all three together02:28
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SpeedEvilhttp://www.moillusions.com/2006/03/find-your-blind-spot-trick.html02:29
MohammadAGno thanks02:29
SpeedEvilrandom eye-related02:29
DocScrutinizeraah for me02:29
DocScrutinizerI got 2 blind spots in my right eye :-D02:29
MohammadAGoh expected something with lasers lol02:29
DocScrutinizerif they would adapt that thing for me?02:30
MohammadAGthat was disturbing x.x02:30
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MohammadAGI felt 3 spots o.O02:30
ManoftheSeaI'd like other kinds of commo on my n900...  Maybe a walky-talky feature?02:30
MohammadAGwith my glasses on I always saw it02:31
SpeedEvilpush-talk would be a good app02:31
* MohammadAG donates to SpeedEvil, make one!02:31
MohammadAGhttp://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/05/how-removing-ps3-linux-hurts-the-air-force.ars lol02:32
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DocScrutinizerPTT is a standard app of most carriers02:32
DocScrutinizerjust nobody needs it02:33
SpeedEvilencrypted ptt might be fun02:33
MohammadAGobviously orange isn't one of those most02:33
DocScrutinizeryeah02:33
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: it is handy in some cases02:33
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: wherever you'd use a walky-talky.02:33
DocScrutinizerhmm, how is it better than a conference?02:33
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SpeedEvilno continuous call02:33
SpeedEvilcan be cheaper02:34
DocScrutinizertrue02:34
DocScrutinizermore power saving02:34
ManoftheSeaI'd want walky-talky that didn't touch the cell net.02:34
ManoftheSeaI'd also liek a pony02:34
DocScrutinizerthough no-TX-on-silence should do reasonably well for power conservation02:34
* MohammadAG throws a pony at ManoftheSea 02:34
ManoftheSeais it UHF radio?02:35
* DocScrutinizer sends B52 with 3 megatons ponies02:35
DocScrutinizeris WHAT a UHF?02:36
DocScrutinizeror "what is IT"?02:36
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: basically a GSM conference with all the power saving option in place on the phones *is* automatic/VOX PTT02:38
ManoftheSeawalkie-talkie, generally UHF radio02:38
DocScrutinizera walkietalkie can be several things, from 27MHz CB to 886MHz digital02:39
MohammadAGor two cups with a string between them02:39
DocScrutinizerthere are several standards02:39
opdf2anyone using a brodit holder with proclip addon?02:39
opdf2thinkin of gettin it...02:39
DocScrutinizerI'm using a flux capacitor02:39
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: and yes - but often conf calls are expensive to setup02:41
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: also - FM TX/RX are a walkie-talkie too.02:41
SpeedEvil(just that you might as well talk normally, it has more range)02:41
DocScrutinizeryes02:42
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DocScrutinizerfar more02:42
DocScrutinizerstill it might come in handy for usecases where you *want* a small range: NFC for pairing etc02:43
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SpeedEvilyeah02:44
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DocScrutinizeryou seen the "take two phones and shake them" for generating a shared secret? :-D02:45
SpeedEvilI love that.02:45
DocScrutinizerthat genius02:45
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TermanaDocScrutinizer, I assume you have taken the precautionary measures and put this sign up? http://ptbuggy.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/flux-capacitor.jpeg02:47
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MohammadAGfrals, any idea why you got 1 thumbs down on fMMS02:59
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SpeedEvilLack of a drunk-mms filter?03:00
MohammadAGLOL03:01
DocScrutinizerburrp03:01
DocScrutinizer(no beer - FAIL)03:01
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Pekuja_is it possible to run OpenGL ES stuff on the desktop?03:17
Pekuja_I compiled an armel binary from an example and tried to run it but it just made Xephyr crash.03:18
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MohammadAGumm03:19
MohammadAGif it's an armel binary, how exactly do you want to run it?03:19
Pekuja_in qemu?03:19
MohammadAGthe SDK emulator only runs on the X86 target03:19
Pekuja_ok03:19
MohammadAGso either compile it for X86, or use an N900 :)03:19
Pekuja_so basically, I can't run OpenGL ES stuff on the desktop, at least not with these libraries03:19
MohammadAGI'd go for the latter03:19
Pekuja_I can't compile for X8603:20
MohammadAGnot sure, aren't there OpenGL ES libraries for the X86 target03:20
Pekuja_the libraries aren't available03:20
MohammadAGoh03:20
MohammadAGN900 it is then03:20
Pekuja_well, maybe there are libraries available somewhere03:20
Pekuja_but most likely not in the maemo/nokia repos03:20
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Pekuja_maybe PowerVR has an emulator or something?03:20
pupnikum MohammadAG you can run ARMel binaries in SDK03:21
MohammadAGpupnik, the emulator won't run03:22
MohammadAGpupnik, if it's OpenGL, I'm assuming he needs on screen output from an emu, not from a shell03:22
Pekuja_MohammadAG: that's what the X server is for03:22
pupnikyour statement seemed to be more general than opengl.  nevermind03:22
MohammadAGPekuja_, the emulator won't start, it's a known "issue"03:23
MohammadAG~MaemoSDK03:23
infobotrumour has it, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation03:23
Pekuja_I'm not sure if OpenGL runs, but I'm pretty sure normal X11 software can run if console software can03:23
MohammadAGlast part there ^03:23
Pekuja_oh?03:23
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MohammadAG * Armel target does not bring up the UI framework03:23
Pekuja_what does exactly mean?03:24
MohammadAG<MohammadAG> Pekuja_, the emulator won't start, it's a known "issue"03:24
Pekuja_what is "the emulator"?03:24
MohammadAGthe UI03:24
MohammadAGthough emulator is not the best word to describe it03:25
MohammadAGsince on X86 it's not actually emulating anything03:25
Funnyfacethe other day we were talking a bit about charging currents for the N900.. how about that little adapter that came with the N900? :>03:25
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kajkothere was no little adapter with my N90003:28
MohammadAGEU devices only afaik03:29
MohammadAGit didn't come with my US device03:29
MohammadAGtbh it's not that good, it over heats a lot03:30
pigeonis there some sort of adapter that has a mic so that i could plug any normal headphone to it (for the n900)?03:30
kajkoi see.... yeah mine is US03:30
MohammadAGpigeon, no idea if the N95 ones work03:31
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MohammadAGor similar03:31
MohammadAGanything pre-N97 to be more precise03:32
MohammadAGactually the N97 had a two piece headset03:32
MohammadAGthe BH-214 if you want a BT "adapter"03:32
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pigeonoh, bluetooth only?03:33
MohammadAGthe N97 ones were wired03:33
MohammadAGso were the N95 ones03:34
MohammadAGbut again, no idea if they'd work03:34
MohammadAGbut I assume they should03:34
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Funnyfacealright, well I will just keep it in my box then I guess :>03:37
Pekuja_I guess nobody here does OpenGL development then?03:37
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pupniki modified an openGL app03:38
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derfPlenty of people here do OpenGL development.03:41
derfAt least for some definition of "here".03:41
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Pekuja_derf: it just seems to be hard to get any answers to GL questions :-(03:47
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DocScrutinizerpigeon: any cheap crap from the import/export shop next door will probably do04:03
DocScrutinizerpigeon: N900 has a 3pin stereo headphones 3.5mm compatible 4pin headset AV connector. That's as standard as it could possibly get04:04
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DocScrutinizerthere's a zillion mic-adapter + headphones sets, starting at 5bucks04:05
DocScrutinizerand all of them will work to the quality they're built04:06
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* MohammadAG misses this from his N95 http://images.techtree.com/ttimages/story/81586_headset.jpg04:07
DocScrutinizerthe smart one that is?04:07
DocScrutinizerwith multiple buttons?04:07
DocScrutinizeryeah, those won't work on N90004:08
DocScrutinizerat least not as expected04:08
DocScrutinizerdunno how they work on those phones where they do. Maybe you could hack up sth for N90004:09
DocScrutinizerbu tootb maemo won't support those afaik04:09
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, it doesn't afaik04:10
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MohammadAGthe N97 mini has the same headset as the N900, but with buttons04:10
MohammadAGhttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IQvea8OOl_4/SxfbkCiY3hI/AAAAAAAAFf4/JZWqlPn0v-M/s1600/30112009669.jpg04:11
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pupnikn97 mini is beautiful04:12
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MohammadAGit's fugly04:14
pupnikyou mean the keyboard?04:16
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pupnikthe sliding mechanism is sweet04:16
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MohammadAGthe N97 is awesome (in terms of design), the N97 mini is just ugly04:21
pupnikright.  i have a lovely pair of coconuts.04:23
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MohammadAGnight lcuk :P04:27
kduboismy maemo sdk gui installer is failing on dpkg problems, does anyone know a solution?04:27
pigeonthanks DocScrutinizer04:28
pigeonand thanks MohammadAG too04:28
pupnikdo you use the vmware image for the sdk kdubois04:28
MohammadAGnp :)04:28
MohammadAGmost probably not, it doesn't need an insatller04:28
kduboisno, i just downloaded the gui python installer i found on the wiki. here's the problem in the log http://pastebin.com/FrevVyGy04:28
MohammadAGkdubois, post the log on pastebin.com04:28
MohammadAGbah04:29
* pigeon is a new n900 owner, had it for about a week, and loving it.04:29
MohammadAGwelcome aboard :)04:29
pupnikmaemo-core-runtime depends on sudo; however:  ????04:29
pupnik*depends* on ubuntu?04:29
MohammadAGpupnik, Ubuntu 10.04?04:29
* pupnik farts04:30
MohammadAGis that... a yes?04:30
kduboisthe host is ubuntu10.0404:30
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* MohammadAG needs a link04:30
MohammadAG~MaemoSDK04:30
infobotfrom memory, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation04:30
MohammadAG~thanks04:30
infobotgern geschehen, MohammadAG04:30
MohammadAG~botsnack04:30
infobotMohammadAG: thanks04:30
MohammadAGkdubois, read the 10.04 part here http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_on_x86-32_Debian_based_distribution04:31
kduboisalright, will give it a try04:32
MohammadAGworked for me04:32
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shinkamuitwo things05:05
shinkamui1. I want a google wave client, wasn't someone in here in possession of the API?05:05
shinkamui2. I need a good image viewer that supports folders in folders :)05:05
njsf_shinkamui: there is none AFAIK not even Chrome :) they all crumble under large waves05:06
shinkamuiyea, I can't even find a pc client for wave05:07
shinkamuiit kills me05:07
SpeedEvilthe media player does folders in folders05:07
SpeedEvilOf course - it won't actually show you the folders05:07
SpeedEvilwhich...05:08
njsf_shinkamui: I think it will rather kill wave. they made too much of a public announcement05:08
shinkamuiI just uploaded like 200 pictures into a wave05:09
shinkamuifirefox is struggling05:09
shinkamuiand this is on a quad core 3.4ghz box with 6gigs of ram05:09
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shinkamuiSpeedEvil, lols, thats what sucks05:09
shinkamuiI want to keep my porn less integrated...05:10
njsf_ecmascript as platform is just too taxing on memory and cpu. JIT helps, but is not the silver bullet05:10
shinkamuibut seriously, I have lots and lots of photos that I want to keep sorted05:10
shinkamuiI keep them well nested by category, date, names, etc05:10
shinkamuiso its aggravating to see them all jumbled in the damn main media player.  I excluded the root folder, and would like to use them individually.  Mediabox works ok, the problem is mediabox handles image viewing crappily05:11
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shinkamuiwell, I guess beggers can't be choosers05:11
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pupnikshinkamui: want to help make gqview a maemo app?05:15
pupnikit is blazing fast05:15
pupnikand you browse pics by directory, as it should be05:16
shinkamuiI would love to05:17
shinkamuiwhat needs to be done05:17
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pigeonwould that be geeqie now?05:19
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pupnikyes sir, pigeon05:22
pupnikbut that name sucks05:22
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pigeonheh05:22
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kduboisgot the sdk installation working, thanks all.05:34
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shinkamuipupnik, whats your current progress05:38
shinkamuihave a project site or an svn or source tree?05:38
pupnikfor what05:38
pupnikstarted juggling things again05:39
* SpeedEvil passes pupnik a flaming duck.05:39
shinkamuigqview05:39
pupnikdidn't do anything but figure out how to upload it05:40
pupnikthere are some keybindings i think i can do05:40
pupnikright now, other project05:40
shinkamuigot ya05:40
shinkamuiso its pretty much just a straight port atm?05:40
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shinkamuiI can probably pick that up, I just set up madde on my laptop to give that some love05:40
* kdubois thinks he made a good decision by picking the n900 over an android phone last week :P05:40
shinkamuiperfect setup05:40
shinkamuireally been meaning to put the XT2 to use more05:41
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shinkamuiand I think I read that madde supports wireless remote exec on the device05:41
shinkamuiwith debugging05:41
pupniknice shinkamui05:42
hawai`igentlemen.05:43
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kduboiswhat library do i use in maemo to program in internet connectivity?06:01
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pupniklibconic?06:03
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pupnikhttp://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/libconic/06:03
pupniki dunno06:03
njsf_kdubois: you mean managing interfaces or connecting to services etc ?06:05
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kduboisideally, i'd just be able to call get_internet_connection() :P06:05
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njsf_call me old fashioned I just like plain old bind/connect/list/accept/read/write/send/recv/close :)06:09
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hawai`iyes. Just use a socket and call it a day.06:11
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kduboisthis may be another dumb question, but, using the hildon ui widgets looks different than the widgets that came by default on the n900. are those custom gtk widgets?07:06
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ds3anyone know what's going on with Mapper? Is there 2 apps of the same name or is there a radical overhaul?07:14
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DocScrutinizerovi is so incredibly unattractive07:44
DocScrutinizerovistore to be precise07:44
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ljpput rose colored glasses on, that might help :)07:47
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kajkoovi store is crap... agreed07:55
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pigeoncan you use ext2 for the micro sd cards on the n900?08:00
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microlithpigeon: you can, but the usb mouting service won't work08:00
pigeonhmm, i've put the card it, detected, dmesg shows it, but it's not mounted automatically, is that normal?08:02
microlithbelieve so08:02
microlithit's expecting fat32 on the card08:02
pigeonah, right, ok.08:02
pigeonthanks08:02
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dotblankmy groveshark is about 25% done!08:07
dotblankapp*08:07
dotblankI got it to authenticate with grooveshark08:07
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pigeonweird, reformatted to vfat, still nothing08:13
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DocScrutinizeropen backlid and close08:33
DocScrutinizerpigeon: ^^^08:33
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DocScrutinizer~nuke DBMS lockup08:37
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at DBMS lockup ... B☢☢M!08:37
DocScrutinizer~attack timriker08:38
* infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing timriker08:38
DocScrutinizer~good bot08:38
infobotaw, gee, DocScrutinizer08:38
Wolfiea fembot?08:38
DocScrutinizeryeah, she's cute08:38
DocScrutinizerwhen she's got no headache in her database08:38
Wolfiefair enough08:39
DocScrutinizer~status08:39
infobotSince Thu May 13 03:41:14 2010, there have been 14 modifications, 61 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 27 commands.  I have been awake for 1d 1h 58m 4s this session, and currently reference 117032 factoids.  I'm using about 21500 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2656.61/84.82 child 0.2/0.0608:39
DocScrutinizer117032, now that sounds better08:39
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infoboti've cached 5017 users, 3632 unique users, distributed over 107 channels.08:41
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RST38hOMG infobot is a shadow overlord KILL IT QUICK08:50
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d14morning o/08:53
DocScrutinizermorning08:53
DocScrutinizerRST38h: most noticeably infobot is back to normal08:54
DocScrutinizeractually since a day +1h08:54
DocScrutinizer2h08:54
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DocScrutinizermoin raster09:00
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rasterdooc!09:02
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pigeonDocScrutinizer: hmm, didn't seem to do anything09:02
DocScrutinizercheck dmesg09:03
pigeonit detected the card and partition, that's it.09:03
pigeonmmcblk109:04
pigeonmmcblk1: p109:04
DocScrutinizeryou formated what exactly09:04
DocScrutinizer?09:04
DocScrutinizerwhich fs?09:04
pigeonmkfs.vfat -F 3209:05
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DocScrutinizerhmm, I never used -F 32 iirc09:06
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pigeonhmm09:07
DocScrutinizerwhy not just format in HFM?09:07
pigeonhfm?09:07
DocScrutinizerhildon filemanager09:07
pigeonthe file manager? i don't see the card there actually.09:07
pigeoni was wondering about that.09:08
DocScrutinizerthat's quite odd09:08
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DocScrutinizerdd if=/dev/null of=/dev/mmcblk1 bs=10K count=109:10
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DocScrutinizerwill nuke all partition tables and fs markers09:10
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DocScrutinizercard will be recognized as unformatted09:11
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DocScrutinizeron 'inserting' it (actually closing the lid) you probably get a requester asking if it should be formatted - or at least it should show up in FM then (I think)09:13
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meceGood morning maemonian hordes09:15
DocScrutinizermoo09:15
mece~pr1.209:15
infobotfrom memory, pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING.  If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask.09:15
mecejust checking :)09:15
pupnik_mece we could be a lot bettetr09:15
mecepupnik_, wot wot?09:16
DocScrutinizerno, infobot, PR1.2 is <reply>/cs akick $WHO09:16
pupnik_mece we could be a lot bettetr09:16
pupnik_i just spent 15 hours tryng to get a new app to maemo09:16
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pupnik_and if i keep art it for a week or two i might figure it out09:17
mecepupnik_, what is failing?09:17
pupnik_but why for gods sake09:17
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mecepupnik_, are you having trouble getting it to devel?09:17
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pupnik_no i need to make it work with maemo09:18
pigeonDocScrutinizer: /dev/zero... still wouldn't come up, very odd09:18
pupnik_then comes the deb/upload fun09:18
pigeon[18511.828002] mmcblk1: mmc0:3fcc SD08G 7.42 GiB09:18
pigeon[18511.828338]  mmcblk1: unknown partition table09:18
pigeonso it's seeing it09:18
mecepupnik_, rightyright. Are you porting something existing?09:18
pupnik_yeah09:19
mecepupnik_, should I be excited?09:19
pupnik_apple ii emulator09:19
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DocScrutinizerpigeon: yep. So there's no option in FM to format it now?09:19
mecehee09:19
pupnik_not really09:19
pigeonmaybe i'll try rebooting the phone09:19
pigeonDocScrutinizer: nope, still nothing.09:19
mecepupnik_, so what's the problem then?09:19
pupnik_it makes nasty noises and wont take kbd input09:19
pupnik_someone emailed me for help09:20
DocScrutinizerpigeon: your top level treeview in FM showing what?09:20
mecepupnik_, keyboard seems to be the biggest issue with porting.09:20
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pigeonDocScrutinizer: only N90009:20
DocScrutinizerincredible09:20
pupnik_mece i spent so much time of my life on this09:21
DocScrutinizertry mkfs.vfat without the -F 3209:21
pupnik_nokia can try to pry this n900 from me09:21
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pigeoni'm doing it on the n900 itself this time, yeah.09:21
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DocScrutinizerfirst partition it maybe, with sfdisk09:21
mecepupnik_, are you using a loaner device?09:21
pupnik_yea09:22
DocScrutinizerdunno if a card without partition table (superfloppy) would work09:22
pupnik_just frustrated09:22
mecepupnik_, have they asked about it? A friend of mine has one, and he hasn't mentioned it.09:22
pigeonsame, i'm rebooting now.09:22
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DocScrutinizermaybe a good idea09:22
pupnik_no.  and ill keep working too.  just sometimes i get beat down09:23
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DocScrutinizersome partitioning tools recommend booting after you changed a partition table09:23
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pigeonDocScrutinizer: there! "Memory card".09:25
DocScrutinizerpigeon: also the automounter fu might have blown chunks09:25
DocScrutinizergreat09:25
dotblankis http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/nonfree Packages down?09:26
pigeonthanks09:26
DocScrutinizeralmost like windows :-P09:26
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pigeon;)09:26
F66FHi i have an beginner problem I tried to Compile the Qt4 hello Wold Example 4 my n900 using the ESbox. I build the application 4 Arma and copied the executeable to the phone ... but everytime i try 2 exicute with ./qt4helloworld I get the nasty erro unexpeced ( ... has anyone an i Idear whats going wron?09:26
F66Fg09:26
dotblankF66F, I think your trying to copy a binary built for a differant target09:28
dotblanktry make clean09:28
dotblankthen make09:28
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F66Fdotblank: I also tried 2 write an hello wolrd console programm but i wasnt able to find the executeabe in the directorys ...09:29
DocScrutinizeralso a   od -c `which mc`|head -1   might reveal sth09:29
DocScrutinizers/`which mc`/qt4helloworl/09:30
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: also a   od -c qt4helloworl|head -1   might reveal sth09:30
F66Fis there anywhere an early begginers tutorial?09:30
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sobczykhi, is it possible to stream video to pc from n900?09:32
F66Fsobczyk: i think so09:32
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dotblanksobczyk, yes with vlc09:32
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sobczykthere is vlc for n900? :)09:32
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dotblanksobczyk, also you could just netcat a file09:32
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DocScrutinizersocat09:34
dotblankso I got the QtSDK beta to work with my none pr1.2 device.... im in heaven.  Iall the apps ive been making since the sdk released now work :)09:34
dotblanknon*09:34
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Appiahvlc works on n90009:40
AppiahI dont know of any gui port but the cli should work without any problems09:40
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F66Fis MADDE  ready 2 go?09:47
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F66Fare you using qt creator and an manual compile in scratchbox or ESbox?09:48
MacDrunkhey09:48
MacDrunkany change that a 3g 850 mhz would be made for nokia n90009:48
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DocScrutinizerprolly not09:52
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dotblankF66F, yes09:54
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F66Fthx cu later when im back home ....10:03
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wall[e]hi, should led blink gently while sleeping?10:05
Stskeepsdepends on charging mode10:05
wall[e]my n900's led don't blink10:05
wall[e]it isn't charging10:05
wall[e]is yours blinking?10:06
Stskeepsdepends on if i have it in my car charger or not10:06
wall[e]it isn't blinking when unplug?10:06
Stskeepsno, that'sualy some kind of notification10:06
Appiahthat can be turned on / off10:06
alteregoOoo, "Ovi Store is New and Improved" :D10:06
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wall[e]it helps me finding it in the dark10:07
alteregoNot for N900 :D10:07
wall[e]Appiah: found, thanks a lot10:08
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Shapeshiftermh. I could need some help installing pyqt4, here. apt doesn't want to, because 'python2.5-qt4: Depends: python2.5-qt4-core (= 4.7.3-maemo2) but 4.7-maemo7 is to be installed' for all the ~20 components10:17
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dAnIeLLLgood day10:17
Shapeshifterfurthermore: 'python2.5-qt4-core: Depends: libqt4-core (>= 4.6.2~git20100224-0maemo1+0m5) but 4.5.3~git20090723-0maemo6+0m5 is to be installed'10:18
Shapeshifterinconceivable that such a mess can persist for months...10:19
hrw-udsShapeshifter: welcome in nokia world10:19
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Shapeshifterso, does someone have some debs I can use?10:21
AppiahIf you want to port a GTK application to run on Maemo ,and it depends on GTK 2.16 (maemo uses 2.14) What alternatives do I have?10:21
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hrw-udsShapeshifter: use qt from sdk repo10:22
alteregoShapeshifter: it's unfortunate, but the work-around has been about for months too :P10:22
Shapeshifterhrw-uds: that is safe? could you hand me the repo line, please?10:23
hrw-udsShapeshifter: http://is.gd/c6svp10:23
alteregoShapeshifter: I've been doing it for weeks now, stable for me. :)10:23
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Shapeshifternice, thanks10:24
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hrw-udsShapeshifter: or install LR1.2 on phone10:24
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Shapeshifternah. I'm not that interested.10:25
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hrw-uds~curse nokia for keeping toys10:25
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nokia for keeping toys !10:25
alteregoIs it "safe" to install PR1.2 (loser edition) onto the phone and _not_ install the CMT component? Will that allow me to flash back to 1.1.1 without issue?10:25
Stskeepsshort story no10:26
alteregoCrabs10:26
alteregoOh well.10:26
alteregoStskeeps: interested in pointing me to the long story? ;)10:26
DocScrutinizeranybody aware of any tool to eavesdrop on i2c communication (sw)?10:26
Stskeepsstrace? :P10:26
Stskeepsltrace?10:26
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: hmm10:27
DocScrutinizermy last strace rebooted the device ;-P10:27
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DocScrutinizerfor sure it's no big thing to patch the kernel driver with a few printk10:29
Stskeepsor that10:29
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DocScrutinizerif only I had the slightest idea how to build a kernel XP10:30
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DocScrutinizer~debian DocScrutinizer10:32
* infobot tells DocScrutinizer to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!10:32
Shapeshifter...updating catalogues over 2g ftl.10:32
slonopotamusinfobot: :D10:32
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infobotd is Soraya_'s unique version of the n disease. There is no cure.10:32
slonopotamusinfobot: n10:32
infoboti heard n is the disease bzflag players get when they play too much. There is no cure.10:32
Shapeshifterlolwut10:32
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* slonopotamus confused10:33
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DocScrutinizer~bzflag10:34
infoboti heard bzflag is a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (win32, linux, mac, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interuptions. See also TimRiker10:34
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ruskie:)10:35
Treibholzthere is a bzflag for maemo?10:35
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DocScrutinizerhm, good question10:36
slonopotamus~timriker10:36
DocScrutinizer/join #bzflag and ask tim riker ;-P10:36
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, timriker is my owner http://rikers.org/ mailto:Tim@Rikers.org mailto:TimR@Debian.org maintainer of BZFlag, member of a ton of open source projects http://www.advogato.com/person/timriker/ http://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ the guy who GPL'd SCO's ABI files, giving every Linux user the right to use them ;-), or a very cool guy.10:36
TigerTaelI love how if the N900's screen is turned off and you want to check it, you slide up the keyboard, the screen turns on, you slide it back down 2 seconds later, the screen turns off immediately...10:36
TigerTaelIt's so awesome.10:36
slonopotamusTigerTael: the only problem is that it doesn't work always10:37
ShapeshifterTigerTael: I actually like that10:37
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slonopotamusTigerTael: if you touch screen, it won't turn off quickly10:37
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Shapeshifterthough I guess using the slider switch would be better anyway10:37
DocScrutinizerslonopotamus: that's on purpose10:38
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DocScrutinizerslonopotamus: I'd call it a bug if it were different10:39
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DocScrutinizerTigerTael: yeah, it's actually smart10:40
DocScrutinizernot *that* smart, as hw-kbd input also resets the timer. Well that's at least debatable10:42
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TigerTaelDocScrutinizer, ah...10:43
TigerTaelBut I -like- it.10:43
TigerTaelA lot.10:43
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TigerTaelQuite often I want to check the screen quickly.10:43
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mecedoes anyone feel like helping me get my QPlainTextEdit to scroll?10:44
DocScrutinizerhmm, for quickly checking the screen the lockswitch actually is the better alternative, less wear10:44
slonopotamusDocScrutinizer: lockswitch is harder to use with one hand10:45
DocScrutinizerthat's correct10:45
meceI use the app that makes power button unlock10:45
DocScrutinizertweakr10:45
mece(and lock)10:45
meceno not that one10:46
DocScrutinizeroO10:46
mecelemmesee10:46
DocScrutinizeranyway my hw button is borked  =(10:46
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meceDocScrutinizer, your power button?10:46
DocScrutinizeryeah10:46
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alterego"app to make power button unlock" ? I thought it did that already :P10:47
meceso how do you turn on your phone?10:47
slonopotamusmece: why you want that?10:47
TigerTaelWhy isn't important.10:47
* DocScrutinizer waiting joyfully for the first time he's standing in the rain, phone has shut down for weird reasons and DocScrutinizer is shouting terrible swearwords while watching out for a cab10:48
slonopotamusshutdown -h now?10:48
slonopotamuserr10:48
slonopotamusforget what i said10:48
meceit's powerlock. Well actually it locks with a single click on the power button, and it's pretty usable for one handed10:48
slonopotamusi read that as 'turn off'10:48
mecehee10:48
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DocScrutinizer(switch on) for now I fond a method to gently press the button with a 3.41mm long nail of my left hand's middle finger, while holding it 47° angle up to the moon10:50
mececome to think of it I don't really like powerlock.10:50
meceremoving.10:50
DocScrutinizerfound even10:50
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DocScrutinizerI heard you can set force-poweron in flasher with R&D mode, so inserting bat or attaching the charger should make it start10:51
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corecode_if the bitrate is too low, i think you need to do some special dc elimination coding11:00
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corecode_at 2.4k, 9 bits are already at 260Hz11:00
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dhq1http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle-1.2/Release11:04
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TigerTaeldhq1, mmm?11:04
dhq1TigerTael: what do you think11:05
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X-Fadedhq1: Yeah, so? I set that up months ago ;)11:06
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wall[e]anyone want 3d artist for foss game n900 can ping me11:08
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wall[e]i am good!11:09
dhq1X-Fade: but uploaded today11:09
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X-Fadedhq1: No, it is just a copy of extras at the moment.11:10
mecewall[e], post an add in development on tmo. There might actually be some takers, who knows?11:10
X-Fadedhq1: So both fremantle and fremantle-1.2 extras are the same now. After PR1.2, only the fremantle-1.2 one will continue to update.11:10
wall[e]mece: will, thanks :)11:11
wall[e]but probably prefer some irc regular11:11
wall[e]hobbies should be done on irc not mail11:11
wall[e]:)11:11
dhq1X-Fade: damn i was so happy thinking pr1.2 would be out today :(11:12
mecehee11:12
wall[e]now building a theme11:12
X-Fadedhq1: Release file will update on every promotion to Extras ;)11:12
dhq1which means we are near11:12
X-Fadedhq1: No.11:13
dhq1hmmm11:13
X-FadeThis is extras, not SSU repo.11:13
Appiah:D11:13
* dhq1 is sad.....11:13
AppiahI laugh every time when I see someone talking about PR1.211:14
* dhq1 wishes she had a boyfriend to help console her11:14
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Appiahwell you could write a app for that dhq111:15
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dhq1hmmm11:16
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RST38hhttp://gizmodo.com/5538801/traditional-cellphone-usage-dying-a-long-painful-death-for-carriers-anyway11:18
dolphin http://gizmodo.com/5538801/traditional-cellphone-usage-dying-a-long-painful-death-for-carriers-anyway11:18
threshhttp://gizmodo.com/5538801/traditional-cellphone-usage-dying-a-long-painful-death-for-carriers-anyway11:18
RST38hheh11:18
dolphinsorry11:19
threshcombobreaker:(11:19
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timeless_mbpfwiw, i generally make calls which are 10-120 mins long11:35
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timeless_mbpand send very few text messages11:35
timeless_mbpmy calls are also generally international11:35
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timeless_mbpthe closest ones are England, and the furthest ones are generally California, although I've also called Mexico City :)11:36
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Shapeshifterehm. installed the qt from the sdk repo to make pyqt work. Now, whend I do 'from PyQt4 import QtCore' it says: "RuntimeError: the sip module implements API v7.0 but the PyQt4.QtCore module required API v7.1"11:37
Shapeshifterwhat's missing?11:37
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Shapeshifterand what's 'sip' referring to, anyway?11:39
Shapeshiftersip telephony? why would I need that?11:39
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Shapeshifterdo I need a newer python from the sdk repo maybe?11:41
timeless_mbpthe Qt you're seeing isn't your father's Qt11:41
Surfasip is a protocol that enables you to talk over packet data connections11:41
timeless_mbpit's Qt mobility apis11:41
timeless_mbpremember a while ago Qt worked to make a phone stack11:41
* timeless_mbp can't remember the name of the phone (Qtopia something)11:42
SurfaShapeshifter, it's more or less standard way of doing that so most probably you will use it in the future, like it or not :)11:42
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timeless_mbpmy calls are probably 90% sip, 7% skype, 3% pots11:42
timeless_mbp(by time, not volume)11:42
SurfaShapeshifter, but actually to be more exact, the sip is just session initiating protocol.. that may be used for multiple other purposes too11:43
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ShapeshifterSurfa: sure, I know what sip is. I didn't know it was part of QtCore. in any case, any clues how to get rid of that error?11:43
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Surfawell, sip is quite crucial for mobility stuff so it is needed :)11:43
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timeless_mbphttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=57120311:44
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Shapeshiftertimeless_mbp: yeah I googled that already.11:46
* timeless_mbp wonders if sip is a different sip11:46
Shapeshifterbut they "fixed" it somewhere.11:46
Shapeshifteryeah I think that sip is not *the* sip.11:46
timeless_mbpit might be "Software Input Panel"11:46
* Shapeshifter goes asking in #python11:46
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timeless_mbpbut i don't think so11:47
timeless_mbpit looks like python and co being 'helpful'11:47
* timeless_mbp suggests shooting python a couple of times11:47
timeless_mbpit'll make you feel better if nothing else :)11:47
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Shapeshifternoooo, my lovely pythong :'(11:48
pupniki suggest timeless_mbp and pupnik grab a couple of beers someday11:49
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Shapeshifters/g //11:49
infobotShapeshifter meant: noooo, my lovely python:'(11:49
inzShape, freudian slip?11:51
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DocScrutinizer51timeless_mbp: greenphone11:52
zlimvoscant figure out how to uncompress an .lzh on my n900, any ideas?11:52
ShapeshifterI installed python2.5-sip4 and it's gone now.11:53
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jaska.lzh? someone still uses lha?11:53
Shapeshifterinz: it's odd. I do that typo thrice a day11:53
Shapeshifterprobably because *ng is so common in english11:53
zlimvosfor the amiga emulator, want to run some old skool demoz :p11:53
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RichardPis there a multitouch implementation for Maemo?11:54
DocScrutinizer51timeless_mbp: when they discontinued it, they suggested to use openmoko for further development of qte ;-)11:55
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timeless_mbpyeah, that worked well :)11:55
DocScrutinizer51hehe11:55
DocScrutinizer51ljp was happy like a clam11:56
inzShape, or maybe you would rather talk about thongs11:56
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Shapeshifterinz: :P11:57
DocScrutinizer51lempel ziff huffman.... hmm11:58
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agi12:12
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wazd~seen vdvsx12:46
infobotvdvsx <~Valerio@Maemo/community/contributor/VDVsx> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 20h 1m 40s ago, saying: 'fine here :D'.12:46
wazd:(12:46
wazdhello people :)12:46
Stskeepslo wazd12:46
wazdStskeeps: heya :)12:47
RST38hhelo wazd12:47
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wazdRST38h: moo12:47
RST38hhow is life treating you nowadays? =)12:47
threshyo12:47
wazdRST38h: meh, deadlines season :)12:48
wazdthresh: o/12:48
RST38hwazd: ...and then 3 months of calm12:48
wazdRST38h: yeah :)12:48
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wazdRST38h: that keeps me alive :)12:48
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DocScrutinizer51muhaha gpsjinni... in 'general'  screen it shows I'm walking with 4.7-5.2Km/h. that's quite ok - not though the ~784Km/h the 'speed' display shows12:52
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wazdwhere's VDVsx I wonder :)12:56
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wazdjust checked BlueMaemo and was shocked with "waiting for connection" screen :D12:57
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rmrfchikhmm. how to mount a path in dosbox? I can't enter ":" or Ctrl-F113:06
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rmrfchikping13:30
lcukpong13:30
rmrfchikhmm. how to mount a path in dosbox? I can't enter ":" or Ctrl-F113:31
andre__why?13:32
rmrfchikFunctional key gives me ` and I have no idea where is F1 ;)13:33
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* frals pongs lcuk13:36
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lcukyeah frals you have plenty of pong to give13:37
lcuki suggest you go shower actually ;)13:37
frals:D13:37
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Shapeshiftermh. has qt4 been in rootfs in pr.1.1.1?13:43
Shapeshiftersuddenly, I have 30mb free on rootfs after having upgraded to the qt4.6 from the sdk repo.13:44
Shapeshifteras opposed to 12 before13:44
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Shapeshiftermh. yay the new pyside (shiboken) is significantly faster than the old one :)14:02
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ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: ^ which means alarmed starts much more quickly14:02
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KhertanHi !14:10
Khertanto qt maemo dev ... does the kinetic doesn't work the same  on qt4.6 than on qt 4.5 ?14:10
Khertanon 4.5 putting on a QTextEdit an attribute FingerScrollable was enought14:11
Khertanbut doesn't seems to work on 4.614:11
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KaadlajkKhertan: on 4.6.2 kinetic scrolling should be enabled on default14:12
Khertanhum ... doesn't seems to be the case on QTextedit14:13
Khertani m just in a "select" mode14:13
Arkenoiseems that $600 is minimal price in Moscow. ~$500 offers are chinese fakes14:13
Khertanin fact i ve just just test.. no select mode too14:14
Arkenoithat's funny because chilese fakes cost $150 or so14:14
Khertanit s just move the cursor14:14
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Arkenoichinese14:14
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DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: nice :-)14:17
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bullet`hi everyone14:18
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RST38hmoo to whoever I have not mooed yet today14:22
bullet`mooing ?14:22
lcukhey RST38h14:23
* bullet` mooes to RST38h !! good day :p14:23
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RST38hheya lcuk14:25
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KaadlajkKhertan: http://doc.troll.no/qt-maemo-4.6/platform-notes-maemo5.html says that QTextEdit doesnt have kinetic scrolling enabled on default14:26
KaadlajkKhertan: http://doc.troll.no/qt-maemo-4.6/maemo5-textedit.html14:26
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achipawhoa14:30
achipathat first article on maemo.org/news just got very... binary14:30
SpeedEvilhuh?14:32
X-Fadeachipa: ?14:32
SpeedEvilA ridiculous race is going on in the world of Smartphones, with each  competitor boasting about the number of available apps for his platform.  With Apple tal14:32
SpeedEvil...14:32
SpeedEvilwfm14:32
achipayeah14:32
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achipanow click on the link14:32
SpeedEvilOh14:33
fralshehe14:33
X-FadeAh, wtf.14:33
achipaOh indeed :)14:33
SpeedEvilOMG! It's PR1.3!14:33
achipaor the Apple commando :)14:33
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SpeedEvilIt's gzipped14:34
SpeedEvilbut the server is not indicating so14:34
DocScrutinizererrrrwut?14:34
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SpeedEvilhttp://qkwv.com/tomch.html - mirror of uncompressed14:35
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fralsbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah14:37
frals~curse Qt14:37
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Qt !14:37
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: 13:36 3255 37   37   -201 760  760  760  65535 226   30  014:39
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil:       mv   RSOC CSOC mA   NAC  CACD CACT TTF   TTE   TEMP EDV1 LOW14:39
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: 3V255 :-D14:39
SpeedEvil?14:40
SpeedEvilah14:40
DocScrutinizerrunning my bat flat14:40
SpeedEvilmine shut down at - I think - 3100 or so14:40
DocScrutinizeraah14:40
SpeedEvilI hadn't turned GSM off though14:40
SpeedEvilIt was saying 6^ RSOC14:40
SpeedEvil6%14:40
SpeedEvilwhich means 'between EVDF1 and EVDF214:41
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DocScrutinizerwell the phone is whining and nagging since >90min now. And I got backlight on all the time14:42
DocScrutinizerhah! dead14:43
SpeedEvildiddn't make any noises for me14:43
ZogGwierd my mauku and tweego can't log in14:43
MohammadAGdead bme?14:43
ZogGdoes twitter changed api?14:43
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MohammadAGtwitter kicked you14:43
MohammadAGhmm14:43
RST38hFacebook founder Mark Zuckerberg called his first few thousand users "dumb fucks" for trusting him with their data, published IM transcripts show.14:43
DocScrutinizerdead battery14:43
* RST38h hehes14:43
MohammadAGmaybe they switched to OAuth14:43
MohammadAGbut that's schedueled for July14:43
DocScrutinizerhope I'll manage to switch it on again >:-O14:43
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: If you leave it overnight - it seems to get to 32V14:44
SpeedEvil3.2V14:44
pigeonon the n900 is it possible to toggle between the mass storage mode and pc suite mode without unplugging the usb cable?14:44
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MohammadAGnope, sadly14:44
pigeonhmm14:44
SpeedEvilyes14:44
SpeedEvilreboot14:45
MohammadAGLOL14:45
pigeonahha!14:45
ZogG<MohammadAG> maybe they switched to OAuth (what are you talking about?)14:45
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omarRST38h, where'd you get that from?14:45
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MohammadAGZogG, twitter will switch to OAuth in July14:47
MohammadAGtweego uses the API method14:47
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MohammadAGwhich will be dumped14:47
ZogGoh14:47
ZogGso it was to me14:47
MohammadAGonly witter uses OAuth afaik14:47
ZogGanyway it doesn't work =)14:48
MohammadAGshould be in july14:48
MohammadAGhttp://apiwiki.twitter.com/OAuth-FAQ14:48
ZogGoh, didn't know -thanks14:48
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dotblankcheck it out...15:02
dotblankjust got my client to get song lists from grooveshark15:02
dotblankhttp://imgur.com/fexMx.png15:02
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alteregohttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52190 -- Awesome...15:07
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chem|stcrashanddie: no15:08
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crashanddiefair enough15:08
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chem|stcrashanddie: whats up?15:08
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crashanddienha, some wanker who was multi-posting on TMO to get up to 5 posts and be able to use the private messages15:09
crashanddiereally, I'd call that attempt to spam, but well, texrat deleted the fraudulent messages15:09
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chem|stcrashanddie: you bunch'o'freaks15:10
chem|stcrashanddie: well not you but them...15:10
crashanddiethat's what I thought, bitch15:10
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chem|stmy mailbox is full with TMO reported posts15:10
crashanddiechem|st: gmail?15:11
chem|stno15:11
crashanddieah, fail :)15:11
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crashanddieI had an auto filter that would mark them as read if they were older than 12h, would automatically archive them and label them (removing them from my inbox)15:11
chem|stprivate server... and full in terms on I open the first page and 50%+ is TMO15:12
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chem|stas Smod I have to look as I cant consider to have reggie doing it all15:13
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chem|stso gotogo15:13
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crashanddieare you getting paid for this shit?15:14
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alteregoI was thinking of implementing per-contact ring tones, is there any chance of this being in PR1.2? I can't recollect actually hearing anything about it ...15:21
X-Fadealterego: Not in my PR1.2 version at least.15:21
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timeless_mbpalterego: incredibly unlikely15:22
timeless_mbpso please do implement it15:22
alteregoUnlikely for 1.2, but is it in any kind of N900 roadmap15:22
alterego?15:22
dotblankI know a why15:22
dotblankway*15:22
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timeless_mbpalterego: i don't think we have a roadmap15:22
X-Fadealterego: I think most improvements planned are not in the 'phone' part.15:22
jaskacall filtering?15:22
dotblankI madea a post about ti..15:23
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alteregojaska: I've actually got a script that does call filtering already ;)15:23
timeless_mbpor if we have a roadmap it's likely that the roadmap gets changed so often that no one knows what's on it :)15:23
dotblankyou make the ringtone a named pipe15:23
alteregoEven has a UI, I might work on both of these over the weekend and push to extras15:23
jaskao.O15:23
X-Fadealterego: Interesting :)15:23
alteregodotblank: interesting, good idea, I was thinking a symlink ^.^15:23
crashanddietimeless_mbp: We have GPS, but the Amazon Ash Cloud (AC2) is preventing reception from satellite signals15:24
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crashanddietimeless_mbp: and well, roadmaps suck.15:24
timeless_mbpcrashanddie: awesome15:24
dotblankalterego, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=4952215:24
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crashanddiebtw, WTF Nokia? "Even teddy bears need a holiday... in Finland" http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64B2Q920100512?feedType=RSS&feedName=oddlyEnoughNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FoddlyEnoughNews+%28News+%2F+US+%2F+Oddly+Enough%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher15:25
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`0660dotblank, pretty cool hack :)15:26
dotblankim working on a grooveshark client right now too15:27
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tybolltcrashanddie: amazon ash cloud? Look I know amazon.com are assholes - but that they intentionally release ash clouds into the ahmospehere? ;)15:27
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crashanddieHey, they're an American corporation15:28
crashanddieshitting all over Europe for profit is what they do best15:28
zlimvosuae4all will crash upon trying to run any app :( i have tried 2 kick.roms 1.3 and they look ok15:29
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crashanddieSometimes it backfires, and you get a European oil corp shitting all over the east coast of the US15:29
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crashanddiebut the general rule is that Europe gets the hard stick15:29
alteregoIs there a hack to get MfE to use a self-signed cert?15:30
alteregoCan I just download it and stick it in some directory somewhere?15:30
crashanddieerhm15:30
crashanddieself-signed cert as in server is self-signed?15:30
alteregoyes15:30
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crashanddieput your self-signed CA in the trusted Root certs?15:31
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crashanddieohh, did I just baffle you?15:32
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tybolltcrashanddie: :D15:32
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crashanddiehmm, just got declined for 2 jobs canonical, still 4 applications pending with them15:35
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crashanddiethough I was told by an insider "Don't even expect a response, if you don't hear anything after 2 weeks, move on"15:35
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alteregocrashanddie: do you know where the certs are stored?15:35
crashanddieso I don't if that means my candidacies were so bad they felt they had to reply, or so good that I just missed it.15:36
crashanddiealterego: settings > certificates15:36
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alteregocrashanddie: adding it to there will get MfE to accept it?15:36
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crashanddies/don't/don't know/15:36
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crashanddiealterego: do you understand how PKI works?15:36
TriztFromWorktimeless_mbp; Run into a slight problem with the translation selection, when in "Select preferred source for English", both 'Default' and 'Native Speaker' are displayed as 'current' and I get the default Nokia English instead of your translations.15:37
alteregocrashanddie: I don't know what PKI is if that's what you mean :P15:37
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crashanddiemeh15:37
crashanddieI'm going to have breakfast, later15:37
crashanddiealterego: help yourself: google.com15:37
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timeless_mbpTriztFromWork: yeah15:41
timeless_mbpsomething is broken, i'll try to fix it on sunday :(15:41
timeless_mbpif you're using .1, you can try using <dotless>, i think it's working a bit better15:41
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TriztFromWorktimeless_mbp; okey, I can live with the Nokia English this weekend, though you had some config file where I could remove the "default" from15:47
timeless_mbpnot easily15:48
timeless_mbpi mean15:48
timeless_mbpyou could cheat15:48
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timeless_mbpif you renamed /opt/maemo/usr/share/locale/en_GB.0 to /opt/maemo/usr/share/locale/en_GB.backup15:48
timeless_mbpand then made a symlink or something from /opt/maemo/usr/share/locale/en_GB.1 to /opt/maemo/usr/share/locale/en_GB.015:49
timeless_mbp(roughly)15:49
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timeless_mbpalthough perhaps a copy is better than a symlink15:49
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TriztFromWorkokey, that was kind of the solution I was thinking about yesterday. I think I'll wait instead, or else I just forget to rename the direcotry lateron15:50
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timeless_mbpkeep in mind that *.0 gets overwritten as part of a backup process and .1/.2 get overwritten as part of the deb update process15:57
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MohammadAG_the iPhone's 1 button is multifunctional15:58
timeless_mbp(so you kinda want to replace .0 and <undotted> with .1 at the same time15:58
timeless_mbp(a symlink could actually be very bad)15:58
MohammadAG_one click takes you to the homescreen, 2 to the phone, 3 to accessibility options15:58
MohammadAG_might be useful for camkeyd15:58
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TriztFromWorktimeless_mbp; I'll try to remember to not use symlink if I do that hack16:01
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alteregoscht16:18
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alteregoMy device rebooted whilst I was attempting to setup MfE, now it's got itself into a state where it thinks the wizard dialog is already opened when it isn't.16:19
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korhojoahey guys, would it be possible to stream from the camera with vlc and v4l?16:28
korhojoathat'd be pretty awesome if i could get it to work16:28
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GAN900korhojoa, yes.16:30
korhojoanow where can i get vlc, can't seem to find it in the repos16:31
MohammadAG_Qole's repo16:32
korhojoado you have a line for that?16:33
MohammadAG_sec16:33
MohammadAG_deb http://qole.org/repository maemo fremantle16:33
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korhojoathanks16:34
MohammadAG_np16:34
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korhojoadamn. how do you enter that in the app manager?16:35
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korhojoaweird. it's like 27 degrees here16:38
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korhojoaat this time of year. in finland.16:38
korhojoajebus.16:38
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TriztFromWorkkorhojoa; here it's just 11 degrees... and this is just the crap west of you16:46
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korhojoaTriztFromWork: :D hah. ert väder suger!16:49
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TriztFromWorkkorhojoa; :) kyllä se niin on16:50
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hawai`iLeft my N900 with about 90% battery, MSN and email over EDGE for 8 hours last night16:54
hawai`iWoke up to 68% battery. My new voltage table is BOMBDIGGITY16:55
fralsso err16:55
fralshttp://mms.frals.se/dialog/pretty.png vs http://mms.frals.se/dialog/functional.png16:55
fralswhich one should i use16:55
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MohammadAG_pretty!16:55
MohammadAG_sec16:55
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* frals looks over at timeless_mbp16:56
hawai`ifrals: Pretty16:56
timeless_mbp?16:56
hawai`iOr16:56
fralsi changed the entries like you suggested, problem is MMSC doesnt fit on screen without scrolling16:56
timeless_mbpfrals: that's expected behavior for fremantle16:56
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timeless_mbpi'd move the MMSC abve the proxy stuff16:57
MohammadAG_frals, tbh I don't like the pretty one a lot, BUT you could make the ip one shorter and make the port txt box next to it16:57
lcukfrals, where have you moved MMSC to?16:57
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timeless_mbplcuk: "offscreen down, see invisible scrollbar indicator"16:57
MohammadAG_lcuk, he has to scroll from what I understand16:57
fralslcuk: need to scroll to see it in the pretty one :<16:57
timeless_mbpfrals: anyway, move the MMSC above Proxy16:58
lcukdoh timeless_mbp how could i miss the invisible scrollbar *rolleyes* ;)16:58
timeless_mbplcuk: take your rolling eyes to someone who can fix it!16:58
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timeless_mbpyou almost certainly have better access now than i do16:58
fralstimeless_mbp: good point, that i can do16:58
lcuki would technically move it above username16:58
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MohammadAG_i would move the port number next to the IP16:58
timeless_mbphrm, yeah lcuk's right, APN, MMSC, User, Pass, Proxy, Port16:58
lcuktimeless_mbp, yeah i know, i rolleyes whenever hidden ux is discussed ;)16:58
MohammadAG_xx.xx.xx.xx:port16:59
timeless_mbpMohammadAG_: proxy could be a host instead of a port16:59
lcukthats a nice one timeless16:59
timeless_mbperr s/port/ip/16:59
MohammadAG_so move the text box next to it16:59
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lcuka combined field for ip/port16:59
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hawai`ihost:port16:59
lcukerrr both on same line16:59
MohammadAG_just a "ux" change16:59
timeless_mbpthe problem w/ combined things is that you're assuming users know how to enter that16:59
timeless_mbpthis isn't likely16:59
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hawai`iUse the label to tell them16:59
hawai`i: is the field separator16:59
timeless_mbpProxy:Port ?16:59
timeless_mbpas a label?17:00
MohammadAG_that's not what i meant17:00
hawai`iYes17:00
timeless_mbpdo you think that'll work?17:00
hawai`iThen 2 separate dialog boxes17:00
timeless_mbphawai`i: that's where we started =b17:00
hawai`itimeless_mbp: I think you'd have to be a complete moron not to understand that.17:00
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hawai`ihaha17:00
hawai`iAh I see17:00
timeless_mbphawai`i: the majority of people are17:00
fralsyeah not gonna combine them based on my experience with users filling in fields17:00
hawai`iThis is true.17:00
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timeless_mbpwhat you could do is make tapping the proxy field pop up a dialog asking for both17:01
timeless_mbpif you really want to "save space"17:01
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muellihm. can one have only two profiles on the N900?17:02
timeless_mbpmuelli: no17:02
timeless_mbpthe ui only exposes two profiles17:02
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timeless_mbpthe backend doesn't care17:02
timeless_mbp(users are simpletons, profiles are confusing)17:02
satmdmaybe17:02
muellitimeless_mbp: hm. Which translates to two profiles only -.-17:02
timeless_mbpoh, and more importantly, the ui designers are simpeltons17:02
timeless_mbps/pel/ple/17:02
infobottimeless_mbp meant: oh, and more importantly, the ui designers are simpletons17:02
satmdI agree17:03
timeless_mbpor were, they don't exist anymore17:03
timeless_mbptrying to design a good ui for profiles is hard17:03
aquatixthey've been... eliminated?17:03
hawai`iNot really.17:03
timeless_mbpand i'd actually rather the ui team screw up w/ 2 profiles than screw up an editor17:03
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timeless_mbpthis way the deficiency is obvious and a third party can see a need and fill it17:03
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timeless_mbpjust as frals saw a need for fMMS and wrote it17:04
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timeless_mbpand is taking feedback from people and customers and iterating to improve his product17:04
aquatixtrue17:04
hawai`iit's a 2 edged sword.17:04
timeless_mbpanyway, any of you are invited to do profiles right17:04
aquatix3rd party solution might be best17:04
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hawai`iWe have the power to do it17:04
timeless_mbpkeep in mind that i've actually written ~4 control panels for maemo/mer17:04
aquatixa bit like Locale or Timeriffic do on Android17:05
hawai`ibut it shouldn't be due to that, that things are less out.17:05
timeless_mbpand have helped people w/ various other things17:05
timeless_mbphawai`i: =~ s/less/left/ ?17:05
hawai`iYes.17:05
RST38hStrangers in the moo...17:05
hawai`iTrying to eat some breakfast and write some scripts at the same time17:05
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MohammadAGfrals, was thinking of something like this http://i43.tinypic.com/mwzfco.jpg17:06
MohammadAGback to the N90017:06
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hawai`iYou could then slim down the box heights17:07
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MohammadAG_which would bring him back to the functional one17:07
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hawai`iNot completely17:08
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MohammadAG_Each to their own :) Moving the port next to the IP is the cleanest method to use consistent UX17:08
hawai`iI agree, kind sir.17:09
MohammadAG_:)17:09
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MohammadAG_tbh I never thought of the consistency UX till people started complaining17:09
MohammadAG_s/cy/t17:09
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hawai`iYou're so beautiful, you could be a part-time model.17:11
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MohammadAG_guess it's time for hawai`i's pills again17:12
hawai`inooo but I don't want them!17:12
aquatixand i just was feeling flattered17:12
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fralsMohammadAG_: interesting idea :)17:14
fralsanyone here using fMMS and on DNA .fi btw? :/17:14
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timeless_mbplcuk: a colleague said "well, regressed in harmattan, is there a shirt for that?"17:20
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* SpeedEvil is chargin' his laz0r.17:21
SpeedEvils/laz0r/n900/17:21
* SpeedEvil stabs BME.17:21
lcuktimeless_mbp eep17:22
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GAN900frals, did I ever ask you if fMMS would be feasible as a plugin?17:26
fralsplugin for conversations?17:26
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GAN900Yeah17:27
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GAN900Since having a whole app for it is kinda clunky.17:27
fralswell, if someone is mad enough to do it he can feel free, im not going to thou17:27
fralsive talked to some people with knowledge in the area and they advised against it as well17:27
lcukGAN900, one step at a time - to insert into conversations it would need a whole lot more17:28
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GAN900Too bad17:30
GAN900Hooray for Nokia's useless plugin interfaces.17:30
GAN900"If we make this impossible, nobody will want to waste their time trying to do it and asking us questions!"17:31
GAN900"We don't have to do docs, either!"17:31
RST38hCan't have useful plugin interfaces if people do not use and review them17:31
lcukGAN900, they give you a plugin system17:31
RST38h(example: stdio vs iostreams)17:32
GAN900lcuk, apparently it's unusable17:32
tybolltyes frals17:32
GAN900So, might as well not have one.17:32
RST38hno, no, there is a line in "deliverables" to be checked17:33
tybolltif you get fmms to work asa plugin17:33
tybollt-> FRALS FOR PREZ17:33
GAN900Clearly not a good way to go about doing things if the only people shipping plugins are Collabora, luck. :)17:33
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RST38hwell to be fair there are other people besides collabora...17:33
RST38hthe -haze guy is not from collabora, right?17:34
lcukGAN900, the plugins are for backend providers afaik, nothing to do with front end ui.  is there a system anywhere that could do as you think is possible17:34
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fralsfwiw its probably doable17:36
zaheermtelepathy is around for more than just maemo, and there is more than just collabora using it and making backends for it17:36
fralsbut like, from my pov i dont see it as worthwhile to spend time on atm as there is plenty other stuff to fix17:37
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fralsalso easier changing a no to yes then a yes to a no ;-)17:37
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tybolltfrals: fwiw FRALS FOR PREZ is also probably doable... especially w/ such stolpskott as Toiblerone Sahlin that is aspiring for it :)17:38
zashwhat17:39
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GAN900zaheerm, yes, but Conversations?17:41
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zaheermGAN900, the plugins there are just account plugins no? the majority of the code needed is as telepathy connection managers and the like17:43
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GAN900I'd love to see a sane way to provide new services in Conversations17:45
GAN900If Nokia's going to ship a centralized communications area, it should be able to be extended easily.17:45
zlimvosanyone might have a clue why uae4all will crash on all applications? even the ones confirmed working with n90017:47
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Mberehmmmm17:48
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zlimvose-uae will at least try (and fail)17:49
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chadihello guys. On the N900, is there a way to prevent the cam from starting when the lens is opened?17:54
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jacekowskichadi: glue17:54
Mbereglue?17:55
chadiis that an app?17:55
jacekowskichadi: depends, you can either hack software or hardware17:55
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jacekowskichadi: piece of black tape on sensor would do the job17:55
chadiI thought it was implemented already17:55
chadiexpected the feature to be available in tweakr, but it wasn't17:55
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E0xchadi: install tweakr17:55
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E0xtweakr hava that feature17:56
chadiE0x it says: opening lens unlocks device17:56
E0xoh17:56
E0xtrue17:57
Mbereare we there yet?17:57
chadithe main reason why I'm asking is that I use the lens for the flashlight app most of the time, I rarely take photos17:57
chadisomebody must have done that!17:58
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DocScrutinizernope17:59
DocScrutinizerit's difficult17:59
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DocScrutinizerI looked into it, but was too much effort to even figure out how you could tackle it18:00
SpeedEvilchadi: The problem is the infrastructure around that is closed.18:00
DocScrutinizermce closed, camera-gui closed18:00
GAN900jacekowski, it's magnetic.18:01
DocScrutinizernope18:01
GAN900and stupid non-configurable.18:01
jacekowskiGAN900: no18:01
GAN900DocScrutinizer, oh?18:01
jacekowskiGAN900: it's not magnetic18:01
chadioh, too bad :/18:01
jacekowskiGAN900: it's light sensor18:01
jacekowskiGAN900: take your cover off18:01
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SpeedEvilchadi: It looks like - from a preliminary look - it would need wrapping the camera app at least in a wrapper, that pretends to be it.18:01
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jacekowskiGAN900: and look at it fro inside18:01
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DocScrutinizerIR reflective active sensor18:01
jacekowskiGAN900: when you close cover and open it18:01
GAN900Ah, IR, I see it.18:01
GAN900Nevermind, then.18:02
jacekowskiGAN900: and you will see white and black squares18:02
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SpeedEvilI consider the easier way to be to write a kernel driver for the flashlight LEDs, expose it as a LED class device.18:02
jacekowskipiece of black tape will do18:02
SpeedEvilThen tell the video4linux device how to use that18:02
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: basically a second proximity sensor18:02
SpeedEviland then drill two holes in the camera cover, and fill with clear plastic.18:02
GAN900DocScrutinizer, yes, I see it. :P18:02
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SpeedEvilSo you can just turn on the flashlight without opening the shutter.18:03
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chadiwas hoping for a solution via software18:12
chadii hate the fact that a lot of important features of maemo aren't open source :/18:12
mikki-kunhm, anybody an idea how i can get a dump of all the packages currently installed on my sys?18:13
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mikki-kuni am not that familiar with apt18:14
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SpeedEvilchadi: Well - see above18:14
SpeedEvilWell - apart from the drilling holes bits.18:14
chadiyeah I did18:15
Stskeepsdpkg -l , mikki-kun18:16
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alteregoSeems slightly over engineered using an IR sensor to detect the camera slide open ^.^18:16
mikki-kunahhh, it's a totally different command then... that's i can't find it anywhere in the mans18:16
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Khertan_Homehi18:17
Khertan_Homesomeone know if there is a documentation somewhere with the specificities of using qt 4.6 on maemo ?18:18
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Khertan_Homei mean something like how to use autorotate ... the stacked window ... the kinetic scrolling ?18:19
alteregoKhertan_Home: by specifics? Do you mean the Qt mobility API?18:19
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Khertan_Homei ve start writting my code with pyqt (qt 4.5) ... and now i ve many things to change, scrolling didn't work ... stacked windows too18:20
Khertan_Homealterego, nope ... standart things18:20
Khertan_Homeor maybe autorotate are in the qt mobility api ?18:20
hawai`iCan somebody send me the default phone icon?18:20
alteregoKhertan_Home: I don't think there is anything Maemo specific :/18:21
alteregoDocumentation wise that is ..18:21
alteregoI've just been picking little bits up here and there.18:21
alteregoautorotate is a window hint I believe.18:21
LynoureKhertan_Home: http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt/Finger_Scrolling for example, the info is here and there18:21
meceKhertan_home, we just fixed that for noobmonk3y, I forget where I found the references18:22
alteregoWhich you should be able to see in the lates Nokia SDK Qt Creator UI designer18:22
meceKhertan_home, ah yeas. Here's the stacked windows: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/maemo5-stackedwindows.html18:22
Khertan_Home setProperty("FingerScrollable", true); <<< doesn't seems to work on qt4.618:22
alteregoKhertan_Home: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/maemo5-stackedwindows.html18:23
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meceKhertan_home, here: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/18:23
Khertan_Homealterego, thx18:23
alteregoThat looks useful .. Without the stacked windows bit :)18:23
mecemaemo specifics18:23
Khertan_Homemece, thx18:23
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alteregoLooks like I'm gonna have a fun weekend :)18:24
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Khertan_Homefor example also, i didn't found on http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/ how to disable the auto capitalization18:24
Khertan_Homeon a QTextEdit18:24
alteregoThat's an input hint18:24
LynoureKhertan_Home: I have not actually tried that yet. Are you setting it on something that uses QAbstractScrollArea?18:24
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alteregoHang on I'll just get that.18:24
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Khertan_HomeLynoure, didn't remember ... i just know that i ve try under qt4.5 .. it was working18:25
Khertan_Homeit s not under qt4.618:25
Khertan_Homeand as i 'm a qt beginner18:25
Khertan_Homei ve got some difficulty :)18:25
Khertan_Homei ve got some difficulties :)18:25
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Khertan_Homelast source is available here : http://gitorious.org/khteditor/khteditor/trees/master18:26
Khertan_Home:)18:26
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Khertan_HomeLynoure, my QTextEdit is in a QFrame18:27
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Khertan_Homewhich is set in the QMainWindow with a setCentralWidget()18:28
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alteregoKhertan_Home: QWidget::inputMethodHints18:29
mikki-kundoesn't the media player of the n900 use gstreamer for playing media?18:29
alteregoYou've got loads of cool IM stuff in there :)18:29
Khertan_Homealterego, thanks i ll look18:30
LynoureKhertan_Home: I don't think I have used QFrames myself, so cannot say if it affects that in some way18:31
alteregoKhertan_Home: I was being lazy, here you go ;) : http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/qwidget.html#inputMethodHints-prop18:31
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alteregoAnd that's the maemo-4.6 docs too, so it should be in there ;) (hopefully)18:32
Khertan_HomeLynoure, in fact i'm not sure i use it the right way, but i assume that as it was working in qt4.5 ... it should in qt4.6, isn't it ?18:32
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Khertan_Homealterego, thx i was looking in the doc :)18:32
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* Khertan_Home prefer the simple gtk documentation :)18:33
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crashanddieKhertan_Home: so you working with qt4.6 now?18:33
LynoureKhertan_Home: Would not be surprised if some things work differently18:33
Khertan_Homecrashanddie, yep :)18:33
Khertan_HomeLynoure, yep :)18:33
crashanddieKhertan_Home: how hard to set up?18:33
Khertan_Homecrashanddie, easy in fact18:33
crashanddieKhertan_Home: did you blog about it?18:34
Khertan_Homei ve installed the fremantle sdk repository18:34
Khertan_Homeapt install18:34
Khertan_Homeet hop !18:34
crashanddieKhertan_Home: blog about it :P18:34
crashanddieKhertan_Home: and put it on maemo planet18:34
Khertan_Home(and remove the sdk repository after to avoid problems)18:34
Khertan_Homei think i ve see someone already put the informations somewhere18:34
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Khertan_Homelet me found it18:35
fralscrashanddie: there was a post about it yesterday or smth about it iirc18:35
crashanddieKhertan_Home: yes, but you need to do it too18:36
crashanddieKhertan_Home: information duplication = revelation18:36
crashanddieKhertan_Home: you are my Bible, I only trust information coming from you18:36
redeemanstrange, the double directory entries bug just went away for me18:36
Khertan_Homecrashanddie, lol18:36
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Khertan_Homecrashanddie, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=654370 <<-18:36
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Khertan_Homeexactly the same way i did it18:37
Khertan_Homebut after activate extras deval18:37
Khertan_Homebut after activate extras devel18:37
Khertan_Homeand made an upgrade of pyqt18:37
Khertan_Home:)18:37
Khertan_Homeyep i ll try to made news about it18:37
LynoureStarting to use Qt4.6 was indeed quite straightforward18:37
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Khertan_Homebut before i need to found why maemo.org/planete didn't read anymore my rss feed18:38
Khertan_Home:)18:38
crashanddieKhertan_Home: ask X-Fade about it18:38
crashanddieKhertan_Home: X-Fade probably doesn't like you and banned you from the feed :P18:38
Khertan_HomeLynoure, depends if you are coding on device or with the sdk18:38
alteregoKhertan_Home: you used apt-get? I just installed the packagers manually. Also, you're using PySide? or PyQt?18:38
Khertan_Homecrashanddie, haha ... no i ll not disturb x-fade with that he has better things to do ... and he didn't banned me ...18:39
LynoureKhertan_Home: coding on the pc, using the result in the device, in my case.18:39
Khertan_Homei switch from wordpress to my own system18:39
crashanddieKhertan_Home: t'as bu? Ton anglais est pire que d'habitude. Mal dormis?18:39
Khertan_Homecrashanddie, hum the both18:40
Khertan_Home:)18:40
crashanddiefair enough18:40
Khertan_Homecrashanddie, http://gitorious.org/khteditor/khteditor/trees/master < the project i'm working on18:41
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Khertan_Homethe line number isn't well implemented18:41
Khertan_Homei need to refine the thing18:41
* Khertan_Home use now gitorious and like it !18:42
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luke-jrI just wish gitorious had repo.or.cz's UI somewhere18:42
alteregoHas anyone looked at building the "Harmatten UI framework"?18:43
crashanddieKhertan_Home:18:43
crashanddieKhertan_Home: nice18:43
Khertan_Homenot really so nice currently ... it s just a prototype18:43
Khertan_Homeluke-jr, ?18:44
muelliCan my root password not exceed a number of characters? Mine is pretty long but apparently it doesn't really matter which characters I type in last...18:44
luke-jrKhertan_Home: I like that UI repo.or.cz uses18:44
Khertan_Homeluke-jr, ouch ? really ?18:45
luke-jryes18:45
Khertan_Homei prefer the gitorious one...18:45
crashanddieluke-jr: roc has become so slow it's unusable18:45
crashanddieluke-jr: it was fine when they hosted about 200 projects, but it's seriously unusable now18:45
crashanddieyou can't actually browse any projects anymore. Unless you know the name, you're stuffed18:45
luke-jrcrashanddie: ok... yet more reason to get the UI moved to gitorious? :p18:45
luke-jrwell, don't care for browsing18:46
luke-jrjust the interface to git18:46
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crashanddiewhat interface?18:47
crashanddieBrowsing the different heads, being able to download specific revisions?18:47
luke-jrgit web interface version 1.6.5.GIT, (C) 2005-2006, Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>, Christian Gierke18:47
luke-jreg http://repo.or.cz/w/git/ljr.git18:47
Khertan_HomeSebastian Lauwers started watching khteditor/khteditor < héhé18:48
crashanddie:)18:48
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* Khertan_Home is happy he has made his first contribution to meego wiki ! 18:51
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lcukKhertan_Home, writing "Khertan was ere" in 72 point font on the front page could be considered a contribution, whether or not it will remain is another matter ;)18:53
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dnearyandre about?18:54
dnearylcuk, how're things?18:54
lcukdneary, good thanks, i can see some things better now than ever.  yourself?18:55
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Khertan_Homelcuk, lol18:56
crashanddielcuk: better than ever?18:56
crashanddielcuk: new pair of glasses? Surgery?18:56
Khertan_Homelcuk, my contribution was on : http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation_For_Beginners18:56
dnearylcuk, Good18:57
Khertan_Homeand testing a builded 0.9 meego image on a netbook samsung n13018:57
Khertan_Home;)18:57
* Khertan_Home must go on18:57
Khertan_Homebye18:57
lcukcrashanddie, just wiped my monitor.  i actually meant ive had time to digest last few months work18:57
Khertan_Homeor see you later :)18:57
dnearyNot sure how I feel about being treated by Jarmo as an incompetent;18:57
crashanddielcuk: ah, lol :)18:57
crashanddiedneary: what's his reasoning?18:57
dnearycrashanddie, You haven't been following the "importing docs into the wiki" thread?18:58
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crashanddiehmm19:00
crashanddiejust read up on it19:01
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crashanddieI feel it's more ignorance on his part speaking than anything else, he seems to be make an amalgam of yourself, and all the sysadmins into "this current guy", without paying attention to details19:02
crashanddieWhat's his role inside Nokia, and why is he being purposefully thick about this?19:02
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lcukdneary, which ML19:04
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crashanddielcuk: maemo-community19:04
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dnearylcuk: maemo-community19:08
crashanddielcuk: read about it here: https://mail.google.com/mail/?hl=en&shva=1#inbox19:09
dnearycrashanddie, He was the guy who dealt with official developer documentation, and with all subcontractors who worked on it19:09
dnearyAnd there is a history of this kind of conversation with Jarmo19:09
lcukthanks - im on it here http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2010-May/004271.html19:09
crashanddieso really he should be aware of the processes?19:10
* lcuk unsubscribed from -community a while ago for some reason or other19:10
dnearylcuk: That's where it starts getting nice19:10
dnearycrashanddie, He doesn't really understand "the community"19:10
* frals unsubscribes lcuk for some reason or other19:10
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* lcuk cant remember why actually19:10
dnearyHe has some idea of things in his head, but he is still stuck in the traditional "I work, and people will like what I do, or else"19:11
dnearymindset19:11
dnearylcuk: Probably a long meandering thread that didn't interest you?19:11
crashanddiewelcome to Uni Corp19:11
dnearyWe tend to get some of those19:11
lcukdneary, it would have to be really long, i think some other reason - gmail is good at folding things up normally19:11
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dnearylcuk: Finished?19:16
lcukAn attempt was made to subscribe your address to the mailing list19:17
lcukmaemo-community@maemo.org.  You are already subscribed to this mailing list.19:17
lcukyes dneary i think so but i couldnt find the very start of it19:17
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dnearyhi amigadave19:19
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dnearylcuk: This (and the following) is where it gets a bit nasty. http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2010-May/004300.html19:19
amigadavehi dneary19:20
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chadiwhere is this abill_uk engineer?19:22
MohammadAG_he's an engineer19:23
MohammadAG_?19:23
hawai`iGlad he's not here.19:23
Shapeshifterwell. now my free space jumped to 40mb19:23
chadiI don't know if he is, someone always calls him an engineer as irony.19:23
chadihawai`i: indeed, haha19:24
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dnearyamigadave, Have you seen aklapper today?19:27
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amigadavedneary: not today, but i think that he will be around tomorrow19:27
crashanddiechadi: probably in the UK?19:28
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dnearyamigadave, Do you think it's better to announce a revamped wiki gardeners group straight away, or to wait until a bugzilla product for docs exists and use that for our TODO list, and get that initialised  first19:28
amigadavedneary: i would say hold off until the bugzilla product is there19:29
amigadavejust ping andre when he is around and it should be a quick process19:29
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dnearyok19:29
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dnearyIf you're around tomorrow & see him, would you mind reminding him for me? Otherwise, I'll try to catch him on Monday19:30
amigadavedneary: sure, no problem19:30
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dnearykewl19:32
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dnearyPaperwork calls... :(19:32
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dnearyamigadave, Have you seen this? Interesting stuff: http://www.scribd.com/doc/17759504/Free-Chapter-Conversation-and-Community19:49
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amigadavedneary: too wordy for me, but i have now bookmarked it :)19:52
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dnearyIt looks like a must-have book - a technical writer explaining how to do it in the open, as a community, without getting shit out the other end19:53
dnearyI've just ordered the book19:53
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Stskeepsmaybe recommendable for townxelliot too, he made some quite decent style guides for the meego stuff19:54
dnearyStskeeps, Done already ;)19:55
Stskeepshehe, good19:55
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dnearyin the meego forum threads about developer documentation19:56
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dnearyamigadave, You might appreciate an interview of the author? http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2010/05/13/makeall004/19:57
amigadavedneary: thanks, i will check it out19:58
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BCMMi am considering buying a second n900 battery20:00
tripzerodo et!20:00
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tripzeroi should buy one too20:00
tripzerothey are pretty cheap20:00
BCMMhow does one identify a genuine one, and am i right in thinking that third party higher-capacity ones are a bad idea?20:01
hawai`iget it from a reputable retailer.20:01
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tybolltBCMM: One of the blokes around here has the fat battery20:01
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BCMMi didn't mean the oversized ones, i meant stuff like this somewhat sketchy thing: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HIGH-CAP-GOLD-BL-5J-BATTERY-FOR-NOKIA-5800-XPRESSMUSIC_W0QQitemZ320412723818QQcategoryZ20365QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m8QQ_trkparmsZalgo=MW&its=C&itu=UCC&otn=5&ps=63&clkid=853993637639306024820:02
Stskeepsdneary: do you have some books you recommend generally re communities, ideally re open source development20:02
dnearyStskeeps, Yes20:02
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BCMMalso, what about third-party battery chargers? are they safe?20:02
dnearyThere's the bible, of course: http://producingoss.com/20:02
BCMMi was looking at this one: http://www.eastmaze.com/BL-5J-Desktop-Battery-Charger-for-Nokia-5800-Comes-With-Music-p904.html?tkid=16&currency=GBP20:03
yigalwhere is the repos for the community SSU?20:03
hawai`iBCMM: Don't buy it off eBay.20:03
yigalfor n8X020:03
BCMM(i presume the power supply it wants is an old-style nokia one, of which i have several)20:03
MohammadAGhawai'i why?20:03
MohammadAGi got mine from ebay20:03
hawai`iMohammadAG: Very hard to find legit batteries on eBay.20:04
dnearyStskeeps, And I *really* like this, as a general "managing people" book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/s?mode=blended&search-alias=aps&tag=gnomesearchplugin-uk-21&field-keywords=peopleware20:04
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BCMMi was indeed going to avoid ebay20:04
MohammadAGthat's a desktop charger (?)20:04
dnearyThen there are the more general social media books like Here comes Everybody, or The Tipping Point20:04
Stskeeps:nod:20:04
dneary(well, social media/social phenomenon)20:04
hawai`iI was referring to batteries, MohammadAG.20:04
jacekowskipr1.2?20:05
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MohammadAGoh ok20:05
dnearyBut as documents to inform technology or community process choices, they're not so helpful20:05
Stskeepsi've been meaning to get more into it - touchdd social computing from a academic angle a bit during studies20:05
hawai`iI bought my desktop charger off eBay, works fine.20:05
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jacekowskii just saw ad on polish version of digg.com that there is free sat nav in any nokia phone20:05
dnearyStskeeps, If you start with those four, you're on the right track20:05
hawai`iIt's actually a BP-4L charger, I just balance the BL5J in it.20:05
Stskeeps:nod:20:05
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yigalwhat is the apt repos for maemo's community SSU for n8x0?20:06
BCMMwhat about third-party batteries that aren't pretending to be made by nokia? are they a bad idea to?20:06
dnearyI have read Jono's book, and it is a useful contribution, but not as valuable (IMHO) as Karl's book20:06
Stskeepsbest thing about maemo.org, can claim it as a expense of my company / my company activities20:06
dneary("The Art of Community")20:06
Stskeeps:nod:20:06
dnearyBut definitely, Peopleware, great book20:07
Stskeepswill probably order them tonight then20:07
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dnearyI just recently came across a site I think could be very useful too: "Uncommon Schools"20:07
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dnearyIt seems sometimes like our goal (as the paid guys) is to be like teachers in new-age schools, guiding student's efforts to learn on their own, and ensuring a productive work environment20:08
Myrttiblah.20:08
MyrttiI hate mornings20:08
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dneary(that doesn't quite sound right, but I've definitely noticed some teaching issues when dealing with free software communities)20:09
Stskeeps:nod:20:09
BCMMso: third-party chargers OK, third-party batteries scary?20:11
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MohammadAGBCMM, some of them yes (chargers)20:12
BCMMhmm, some website have a photo of an actual nokia battery that says "reference only", and some small print saying "non-oem"20:12
b0unc3hey guys, is the autobuilder working?20:13
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ShadowJKbcmm: third party desktop chargers: dubious at best20:14
BCMMShadowJK: how come?20:14
BCMMand is there a nokia one?20:14
ShadowJKthird party powersupplies (things you connect to phone): less bad20:14
ShadowJKbcmm: the cheap external/desktop chargers are usually flawed by design20:15
BCMMShadowJK: how?20:15
BCMMdo they not detect fully-charged batteries?20:15
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BCMMalso, is there an official external charger?20:15
ShadowJKA real charger chip costs like a dollar, a constant-current generator and a emergency battery cutoff chip costs about 0.20 dollars20:16
ShadowJKthe constant current charging would explode the battery20:16
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BCMMShadowJK: do you know of one which won't blow up the battery?20:16
ShadowJKthe protection circuit is meant for last-resort protection and isn't rated for repeated use..20:17
ShadowJKNo, I don't20:17
yabbab0unc3, I got my soft trought it just a while ago.20:17
SpeedEvilBCMM: Get a spare n900 to charge battery.20:17
ShadowJKwell in all likelyhood they wont blow up your battery20:17
BCMMSpeedEvil: heh20:17
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BCMM"Built-in smart chip recognizes a full charge and automatically switch to a save-mode." - could still refer to an emergency cutoff?20:18
ShadowJKbut they can reduce the useful lifespan of the battery if the thresholds are wide20:18
BCMM(yes, i know it could just be a lie)20:18
ShadowJKis that about a battery? if so it's a lie20:18
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BCMMShadowJK: no, i charger20:18
BCMMi know that would make no sense for a battery20:19
SpeedEvilI haven't seen any of the emergency chips which have any failure mode I can think of in protection mode.20:19
BCMMbah, why doesn't nokia make one?20:19
SpeedEvilAny failure due to being cycled often20:19
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BCMMok, since none are ideal: has anybody here had a bl-5j battery charger for a while and not blown anything up with it20:20
BCMMand if so, where did it come from?20:20
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MohammadAGShadowJK, mine cuts off the current when the battery is full20:22
MohammadAGand it uses the original nokia 2mm charger20:22
ShadowJKdid you measure that? :)20:22
BCMMthere are two common nokia chargers before the microusb ones, right?20:22
BCMMwhich one was the 3410 charger?20:22
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BCMMi have a surprising number of those around20:23
MohammadAGShadowJK, yes, it stops charging20:23
BCMM(and it's awesome that the n900 comes with an adaptor)20:23
MohammadAGthe 2mm to usb one which might burn your house down? :P20:24
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BCMMMohammadAG: the adaptor that comes in the n900 box burns houses down?20:24
MohammadAGit overheats, and in some cases melts20:25
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MohammadAGI used it with a car charger and always had it stuck to the Air C.20:25
BCMMi shall avoid it then...20:25
BCMMaren't cig lighter-USB adaptors really cheap anyway20:26
MohammadAGnot sure if all of them work20:26
MohammadAGthe N900 doesn't work with "dumb" chargers20:26
BCMMMohammadAG: eh?20:26
MohammadAGI just use a 12V to 240V converter20:26
MohammadAG(and the charger will prolly downstep that to 12V again, which is stupid)20:27
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BCMMlast time it was mentioned here, somebody said that "dumb" usb chargers can short two of the USB pins to indicate that they are dumb20:28
BCMMMohammadAG: the n900 doesn't respect that?20:28
MohammadAGyou can connect the D+ to D- and it should charge20:28
MohammadAGsolder them20:28
BCMM(i presume that by "dumb", you mean that it just provides power rather than an actual USB bus?)20:29
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BCMMMohammadAG: well, i was presuming that since a bunch of things use that standard now (including the annoyingly influential iphone), such chargers already have those shorted20:30
MohammadAGsome still don't :)20:30
MohammadAGthe ZaggSparq 1.0 for example20:30
MohammadAG(not sure about the 2.0)20:30
yigalStskeeps: I can't find or where i can get the community ssu installer, is the info. in here? http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=3064820:30
SpeedEvilBCMM: yes20:31
BCMMSpeedEvil: to which bit? (sorry)20:31
SpeedEvilBCMM: This wasn't the case as soon ago as a couple of years trhough20:31
SpeedEvilBCMM: shorted20:31
BCMMah, good20:31
BCMMactually, the iphone's effect on some things has been kinda nice20:31
MohammadAGthe zaggsparq is a year old afaik20:31
MohammadAGyeah, it took away most annoying users20:31
MohammadAG:P20:31
BCMMweb pages making fewer assumptions about screen resolution and using less flash for a start20:31
MohammadAGand more HTML520:32
MohammadAGi'm kind of stumped that flash 10 isn't coming20:32
yabbaStupid question, but if I load newer version of packages to the autobuilder (I use Extras assistant) will it remove older one? (There is now pykake 0.5.0-1 and I want to load pykake 0.5.0-2 in it.)20:32
yabba*upload20:33
MohammadAGyes, the autocleaner will purge it20:33
yabbaOk, thanks :)20:33
MohammadAGnp :)20:33
yigalStskeeps: got it http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=64955720:33
MohammadAGcheck a maemo.org/packages package page20:33
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fralsso err, extras-devel free source package.. if theres a .so file in there without any source thats like, bad?20:42
MohammadAGumm yeah?20:43
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frals\callnotify-0.1.0\src\usr\lib\hildon-control-panel20:44
jjmonteshi, anyone aware of a problem with avahi-daemon requiring upstart?20:45
MohammadAGfrals, contact him about it20:45
MohammadAGthat's basically just building a deb20:45
* lcuk looks for someplace to hide20:45
* frals hides lcuk behind the troutfarm20:45
lcukcool20:45
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MohammadAGjjmontes, I fixed that, but it seems broken from the start, disable devel and install it20:45
lcukprotect me from @teebee7620:46
fralsteebee76 aka the misses? :D20:46
lcukyeah20:46
lcukshe somehow thinks i drunk her vimto o_O20:46
jjmontesMohammadAG, thanks, will try now20:46
MyrttiI recon it's time for coffee20:46
MyrttiI want vimto too20:46
jjmontesbut I don't have upstart anyway... should I have it?20:46
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chadiif i have the source of an application, can I compile and install it on the SDK thing that I installed on ubuntu? I think it's called Xephyr or something20:47
lcukchadi, scratchbox20:47
jjmonteschadi: you should be able to20:47
lcukand yes to some degree20:47
lcukif its maemo application, it should be trivial20:47
chadiQt4.6 application20:48
lcukif its from another distribution/platform then you may need more ninja skills20:48
chadii have no skills at all, to be honest20:48
chadiI have to discover by myself20:48
jjmontestry to compile it, you'll see errors and dependencies not met... you'll have to work from that20:48
jjmonteschadi: however you'd need some programming skills20:49
chadidoesn't apt-get solve these dewpendancies?20:49
chadijjmontes I do have programming skills20:49
lcukif its a 4.6 app specifically then you may have to wait for the pr1.2 update20:49
chadilcuk just compile on the SDK20:49
lcukat least for testing on thedevice20:49
lcukthe sdk is updated to 4.6 i think20:49
chadiyeah i can wait for PR.1220:49
* MohammadAG makes ninja sounds20:49
lcukbut the device isnt yet20:49
MohammadAGthe device has 4.6.220:50
MohammadAGas libqt4-maemo5-*20:50
chadino problem .. it should be release by the time I learn all that :P20:50
MohammadAGfrom -devel20:50
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MohammadAG4.5 as libqt4-*20:50
* lcuk can see why confusion occurs20:51
E0xMohammadAG: ninjas dont make sounds20:51
tripzerolol20:51
jjmontes:D20:51
E0xfail !20:51
MohammadAGE0x, actually it depends :P20:51
MohammadAGthey do in a fight :p20:52
lcukhow do you know?20:52
* frals is seeing lcuks confusion20:52
MohammadAGlcuk, NDA, can't talk about it20:52
MohammadAG:P20:52
tripzeroMohammadAG, ninja's don't fight.  they kill20:52
tripzeroand you can't hear after you are dead20:52
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* MohammadAG kills tripzero, happy?20:52
lcukNDA == Ninja Discussion Agreement ?20:53
tripzerohaha20:53
jjmontesMohammadAG: I had to remove account-plugin-salut (don't know why)20:53
E0xMohammadAG: 200 of ninjas can fight and you side and you will never hear or saw it20:53
E0x:P20:53
E0xtripzero: ninja vs ninja can fight20:53
jjmontesMohammadAG: still, my /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon is a broken link... dunno if it was like that before... may I ask if this is related?20:53
lcukbut you would never win20:53
lcukthey would be caught in an eternal battle20:54
MohammadAGjjmontes, yes, it depends on upstart-job which doesn't exist20:54
MohammadAGdisable devel20:54
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tripzeroEOx: yes, but they usually kill all standbys so they can fight uninterrupted20:54
jjmontesMohammadAG: cool! thanks a lot for the info... I just wait a few weeks then20:54
tripzeroat least, that's what I would do20:54
MohammadAGcan we end the ninja subject? lol20:55
MohammadAGtripzero, you're dead, so shut it20:55
MohammadAG:P20:55
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lcukyou started it20:55
E0xheh20:55
tripzeroman, this afterlife sucks20:55
tripzeroit's just like the one before it20:55
lcukonly a ninja can finish it20:55
tripzerolols20:55
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MohammadAGtripzero, does it have tmo users?20:57
tripzeroyes.  so i must be in hell20:57
* VDVsx throws some ninja stars at lcuk :D20:58
crashanddietripzero: depends, the way I see it, most TMO users see themselves as martyrs20:58
lcukno, tmo users are just like real life, theres a broad swath of good honest decent hardworking people there20:58
crashanddiemartyrs, as I said20:58
MohammadAGuhuh20:58
lcukand i love how those discussing tmo users in derogitory terms are tmo users themselvse20:58
crashanddiehow is martyrdom derogatory?20:59
MohammadAGlcuk, ironic, don't you think?20:59
lcukheh seb i was already writing that before even seeing your comment :p20:59
lcuki think it everytime the tmo subject comes up20:59
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crashanddielcuk: MY POINT EXACTLY, HOW COULD YOU FRET ABOUT WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY????20:59
crashanddieYes, the world revolves around me.20:59
lcukactually it does, you need to lose some weight dude21:00
MohammadAGLOL21:00
jewardAnybody use vncviewer on a maemo device?  I'm wondering what Xwindow manager works best with the small display and touchscreen?21:00
crashanddieoh, so that's why all the chicks are attracted to me? I have my own gravity pull?21:00
* jeward uses an n900.21:00
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lcukjeward, i use vnc to my windows machine and to other linux desktops21:00
lcukthe simplest is to just lower the screen resolution on the destinatino end and make do21:01
lcuktoo much scaling or scrolling kills both performance and utility21:01
jewardlcuk: I have it set to 800x480.21:01
lcukjeward, cool beans21:01
jewardlcuk: And I set XFCE panels to autohide, but I can't get them to come back by trying to mouse off the edge of the screen.21:02
jjmontesjeward: I use it to lnux desktops, I don't change the windowmanager21:02
lcukyeah that would be a problem21:02
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lcukits a good idea to completely optimise the destination desktop if all you are going to do is vnc to it21:02
jewardlcuk: I wonder if xmonad might be better?  I don't know if I can send the window manager keyboard commands though?21:02
lcukbut its a pain if its a dual use and you vnc only occasionally21:02
lcukjeward, you have HW keyboard21:03
jewardlcuk: I just want to dedicate one display for my n900.21:03
lcukxmonad is great - its a tiling WM afaik isnt it?21:03
lcukit reminded me of liqbase when i was mucking about21:03
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jewardLet me try install xmonad and see how it works.21:03
jjmontesI think gnome 800x480 is just ok21:03
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jewardlcuk: Yes tiling WM for max real estate.21:03
lcukjjmontes, i think some of the problems with generics is expectation of right mouse button21:04
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jewardlcuk: Can you generate one with n900 vncviewer (right button)?21:04
tripzerowhat WM is on maemo5?21:05
lcuki dont know ive not looked21:05
lcuktripzero, its buildable afaik but suboptimal because theres specific maemoisms atm with it21:05
lcuki last looked when i had n81021:05
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tripzeron810 ran matchbox didn't it?  maemo5's wm seems much more advanced21:06
jjmonteswould it be possible to use the n900 as a secondary screen?21:06
Stskeepsit runs the libmatchbox2 stuff21:06
jewardjjmontes: Like synergy?21:06
tripzeromatchbox-wm2?21:06
* lcuk looks sideways @ email subject21:06
lcuk"Spandex is optional"21:06
tripzeroseems unlikely... but maybe21:06
jjmonteslcuk: I think the problem is the maemo VNC viewer is not powerful enough21:06
lcukjjmontes, ?21:06
jewardjjmontes: To do what?21:07
jjmontesI mean, I think functionality could be adapted for the tablet21:07
jjmontesproviding means to send characters, right clicks, and various keyboard mappings with ease21:07
jjmontesand zoom21:07
jjmontes(sorry, I was talking about functionality, not "power", my fault)21:07
RST38hGoogle changes Nexus One plans, will stop selling handsets online21:08
jjmontesjeward: not like synergy, but as a secondary screen for a laptop21:08
RST38hEnd of story21:08
lcukjjmontes, its an x11 display21:08
StskeepsRST38h: really?21:08
StskeepsRST38h: [citation needed]21:08
MyrttiURL or it didn't happen21:08
* RST38h suggests that asking a Chinese company ot design them a handset may not have been such a good idea21:08
jjmontesumm not sure is what I want... I'd like to be able to configure the n900 as the secondary screen, so I can drag windows to it...21:09
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Myrttiah bah.21:09
RST38hAre you some freaking wikipedians or what, people? Anyway: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/nexus-one-changes-in-availability.html21:09
MyrttiRST38h: yes, actually, I am.21:10
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RST38hBut anyway, HTC can always make a slightly better handset with the same specs and sell it slightly cheaper. So, I have no idea what Google has been trying for there21:10
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MyrttiRST38h: boyfriend bought Nexus One specifically because it'll get FroYo sooner than HTC Desire21:11
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RST38hMyrtti: and see where it got him? =)21:11
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MyrttiRST38h: well currently he's at work...? by car?21:12
* RST38h tried the Nexus while in the US but could not get what the big fuss was21:12
* Myrtti chose to ignore the joke by purpose21:12
RST38hNo, it is not better than N900, albeit lighter21:13
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jewardOh, hmm, how to generate Mod-shift-return on n900? :)21:15
* Myrtti likes her free Nexus One Google gave her21:15
lcukwill maemo run on it21:16
jewardAnybody know how to send a mod key in maemo vnc on the n900? :)21:16
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Myrttiwhy would I put maemo on it? I wouldn't run android on a N900, why would I run maemo on nexus one?21:17
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MyrttiI wouldn't install Windows or Linux on a Mac either. I'm strange that way.21:18
lcukMyrtti i never asked you to change21:18
lcuki asked whether maemo would run on it21:18
MohammadAGthat question was like "but does it run crysis?"21:19
hrw-udslcuk: why not?21:19
* jeward has a triple boot Snow Leopard/Windows 7/ Ubuntu mac mini.21:19
hrw-udslcuk: as long as you will have opengl/es drivers good enough fro clutter...21:19
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lcukindeed - perhaps meego would be a better base to try21:19
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Myrttiyou're asking a person who until recently didn't know the difference between atom and arm until it was explained to her in very, very gentle ways, would maemo run on nexus one. No, I have no idea.21:21
Myrttiich. horrible coffee21:22
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chadidid anyone manage to dual boot android without NTDroid?21:23
johnsqHi21:23
* RST38h guesses Nexus will run something like Mer21:23
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GAN900Myrtti, theoretically yes.21:24
RST38hThe main question is, of course, why21:24
GAN900Myrtti, why the 180?21:24
RST38hMyrtti: working for google nowadays? =)21:25
* Myrtti stares GAN900 with a blank look21:25
GAN900Because Android sucks.21:25
Myrttioh, that 18021:25
GAN900Myrtti, you hated it in SF. :P21:25
RST38hWhy does it suck? Felt ok.21:26
MyrttiGAN900: applications, learning curve21:26
RST38hBut then, I do not think Symbian sucks either21:26
GAN900I can't stand the hardware21:26
MyrttiGAN900: also, I pimped it up with Gelaskins21:26
GAN900I kept hitting home while typing.21:26
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papohi21:27
papohow can I make a screenshot?21:27
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SpeedEvilctrl-shift-p IIRC21:28
Myrttisleep time logger, audibook player, google synchronization etc21:28
Myrttiand the desktop dock is rad21:28
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Myrttiapart from the virtual keyboard, my experience with the nexus one was happier from the start that the time I've spent with a n90021:30
RST38hGAN: Standard vanilla HTC hardware. Yes, it is nothing to ogle at21:33
MyrttiI don't really care about the hardware - it's the apps that caught me. hm. apart from the fact that since I've always been partial to virtual keyboards, nexus one is nice.21:34
MyrttiI can change from Scandinavian keyboard to swipe quick keyboard so easily ♥21:34
SpeedEvilhmm21:35
arachnistthere's no good android phone with a good hardware keyboard21:35
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Myrttis/android/mobile/21:37
Myrttithere, fixed it for ya21:37
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johnsqarachnist: better without and use a bluetooth.21:37
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MyrttiI just hate all the hardware keyboards, being a touch typist I find them harder to learn than software keyboards21:39
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jaskacant stand virtual kbds21:39
Myrttigive me a full Scandinavian keyboard, or give me death etc21:39
jaskathey also halve your effective display usually21:39
Myrttithat's a learning issue. I've used vkb:s since 770 ;-)21:40
Myrttinever had a problem :-P21:40
RST38hdeath by full scandinavian keyboard21:40
jaskai skipped 770 and 800 due to the lack of kbd21:40
fralshmm21:41
Myrttiheh, and I bought N800 last spring specifically because the lack of kdb21:41
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ShadowJKMyrtti, because N800 was cheaper than N810?21:45
RST38hhttp://gizmodo.com/5539192/a-cellphone-exploded-in-my-face21:45
MyrttiShadowJK: because N800 didn't have hardware keyboard. I didn't even look at the prices of N81021:46
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ShadowJKyou could get N810 for the better screen and not use hw kbd ;p21:47
ShadowJKthough dual sd slot on n800 is nice21:47
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SpeedEvilRST38h: Is he complaining because the battery got upset after he sliced it in half?21:50
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RST38hSpeedEvil: Guess so21:52
fralsGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH21:53
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fralspyqt4 doesnt implement QtDBus >_<21:53
frals~curse21:54
infobotmethinks swearing is Silence, you sock-clucking mother-trucker21:54
alteregoSo, I'm gonna work on a "Contact Manager" that does contact groups, per group and per contact ringtones and also the callbocker21:54
alteregoWell, the call blocker is done.21:55
alteregoSo it's just integrating it with a group principal system and having ringtones.21:55
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alteregoI'll use the pipe method someone suggested earlier, and if the device happens to be mounted via USB, then I'll just play some default t00n21:57
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fralsgreat, neither pyside or pyqt actually ships qtdbus bindings :[21:59
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alteregofrals: probably because of the dedicated python-dbus bindings?22:00
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fralswell python got urllib and a bunch of other stuff for networking but qtnetwork is there :P22:01
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kpomanhi22:08
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kpomando someone know how to port new libs to a n810 ?22:09
kpomanI want to compile on a gentoo box, do I have to set vars etc... for autotools to know what i want ? do i need a chrooted environment or whatever ?22:10
alteregogentoo is for people that can't get a girlfriend, use ubuntu and pick up chicks d00d22:10
kpomanmouahahah22:12
kpomanwtf22:12
kpoman:D22:12
LynoureI can't get girlfriends, I have no idea how to approach other women...22:12
LynoureBut still use Kubuntu.22:12
kpomanI am married, I had to resign for a bit, but now :D22:12
kpomanlol22:13
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ZogG<alterego> gentoo is for people that can't get a girlfriend, use ubuntu and pick up chicks d00d. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!&22:14
ZogG&=?22:14
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Stskeepsi vote for pubcrawl instead of discussing distributions on a friday evening22:14
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ZogGi vote for boobs every friday22:15
ZogGi go to work night shift now though =(22:15
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MohammadAGI wonder what would happen if i killed xorg22:22
papoSpeedEvil: thank you, worked22:23
papocya22:23
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Stskeepsyou'll go to prison and geeks will hate you22:23
Stskeeps:P22:23
MohammadAG*sobs*22:23
Myrttiorganic carrot farming22:25
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tybolltthey do organic carrot farming in prison now?22:35
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tybollthrr hrr22:42
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florianre22:51
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Stskeepshttp://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N8x022:53
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Myrttiwhich reminds me22:54
Myrttisince I've misplaced my N800, would someone care to check http://myrtti.fi and report what kind of a blogtheme they see on the site?22:55
opdf2is sipsorcery down?22:56
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LuciusMarepackage architecture (arm) does not match system (armel)23:02
LuciusMareyou mean that there is a difference?23:02
yabbais there in ash a command which you can use to remove specific lines from text file. example, if I want to remove all lines which begins with the word foobar?23:03
LuciusMareHm, the package seems to be packed for maemo 2, not for fremantle... *sigh*23:06
alteregoyabba: sed23:06
yabbaOk, thanks23:07
ruskieyabba, it's not ash... it's only a shell... but something like sed '/^foobar .*/d' file might work23:07
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omarMyrtti, looks artsy-fartsy (your theme)23:11
omarif you catch my drift23:12
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yabbaok... "sed '/^foobar ./d' file" shows me edited version of file (whitout lines begining with foobar), but those not write it to the file... how I do that then :D23:15
alteregopipe it to a new file23:17
MohammadAGor use -i23:17
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MohammadAGread sed's manual, man sed23:18
MohammadAG\o PhonicUK23:18
PhonicUKalo :)23:18
yabbaBoth works, thanks :)23:18
yabbaagain :)23:18
PhonicUKi just reinstalled Windows on my machine23:19
PhonicUKfun fun23:19
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MohammadAGwindows, meh23:23
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PhonicUKlol23:23
PhonicUKI had accidentally installed a stripped down Win 7 install that i use for my Mini ITX machine23:23
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PhonicUKwhich was missing the parental controls stuff, and some games won't start without it :\23:24
MohammadAGlol that's fail23:24
PhonicUKI wanna play Avatar in 3D :)23:24
PhonicUKthis ought to be fun23:24
PhonicUK3D Vision FTW!23:24
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kpoman( o) (o )23:29
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yabbabtw, why I got this warning about bugtracker, even I have put this line in build file "p.xsbc_bugtracker="mailto:yabbapappa@gmail.com"" http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/pykake/0.5.0-3/23:33
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rcg1yabba: are you using py2deb or pypackager?23:37
yabbapy2deb23:37
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rcg1if you check the control file .. you can find this in pykake-0.5.0/debian/control if you extract the generated tar.gz .. you can see that there is no entry starting with "XSBC-Bugtracker:"23:41
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rcg1could you post the complete buildfile to pastebin or something23:43
yabbayes, I suppose23:43
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yabbahttp://pastebin.com/q4g78WGC23:46
MohammadAGand the control file?23:48
MohammadAGi think X crashed or something23:49
MohammadAGrebooting23:49
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MohammadAGi hate embedded linux23:52
MohammadAGI expected myself to be in a shell when I killed X23:52
yabbahttp://pastebin.com/h1ZPgCzV23:52
MohammadAGdsmetool rebooted the N90023:52
RST38hARMSDT C "compiler"...eeek23:53
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MohammadAGno bug tracker in the control file23:54
yabbaAaah, could it be this? "1 march 2010 Py2deb is broken. It creates an incorrect bug tracker link for your package in extras.23:54
yabbaYou can solve the bugtracker issue easily by editing /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/py2deb.py line 382 changing it from: bugtrackerstr = "XSBC-Bugtracker: %s" % ( self.xsbc_bugtracker ) into bugtrackerstr = self.xsbc_bugtracker "23:54
MohammadAGI'd suggest asking Khertan when he comes online23:54
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yabbafrom wiki page...23:54
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: there is no fbconsole in the default kernel23:54
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: so you can't do anything23:54
MohammadAGcan it be enabled?23:55
rcg1yabba: but this issue usually would have resulted in an entry like:23:55
rcg1XSBC-Bugtracker: xsbc_bugtracker <your email>23:55
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rcg1what i am wondering is why you do not have any XSBC-Bugtracker: entry at all in your control file23:56
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yabbaSo there is something rotten in it then :/23:56
MohammadAGcause py2deb didn't add it23:56
MohammadAGyabba, add it manually23:56
MohammadAGor switch to pypackager23:57
rcg1MohammadAG: yeah but why? ;)23:57
yabbayep, that was next23:57
MohammadAG~seen Khertan_home23:57
infobotkhertan_home <~Khertan@AAmiens-155-1-32-189.w92-142.abo.wanadoo.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4h 59m 57s ago, saying: 'or see you later :)'.23:57
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MohammadAGask him when he returns :)23:57
rcg1;)23:57
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rcg1MohammadAG: btw, while you are here, are you experienced with autobuilder issues?23:58
MohammadAGdepends on what you mean by issues :)23:59
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rcg1i know X-Fade is the one to ask but apparently he is quite busy these days23:59
MohammadAGweekend just started23:59

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