IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2010-04-17

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DocScrutinizer~lart taleo freegin js crap00:02
* infobot does a little 'dpkg -P taleo freegin js crap' action00:02
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: hsupa is just a nasty powerhog00:07
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ShadowJKI don't htink hsupa is working where I am :/00:08
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ShadowJKbut I guess I'd need mdma to see how much upstream I'm allowed to use in the first place00:09
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pupnikmy thing says 3.5 with 5 bars.. and im in the woods here :)00:09
ptlmdma? ecstasy?00:09
ShadowJKhttp://www.nerve.org.za/mdma/compat.html "assigned profile"00:10
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* MohammadAG_ wonders when the next bug day is00:11
MohammadAG_or a testing marathon00:11
ptlbug days are irrelevant if the bugfixes ain't released.00:12
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redpart 5 of using stylus in the dark) pff.. grr.. it wont fit back in.. - and then realizing it probably wont fit in the headphone jack00:14
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ToJa92[red]: Lol00:15
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SpeedEvilI got really worried that my slide had stuck00:17
SpeedEvilkeyboard slide00:17
SpeedEvilTurned out I'd put the case on the wrong way round - so the 'nokia' logo was at the bottom - and I was consequently holding it upside down00:17
jacekowskii found the problem00:18
jacekowskii've got no idea how to fix it yet00:18
redhah00:18
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jacekowskii mean - it's a hildon related problem00:19
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jacekowskiand that autocaps on 1st letter00:19
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redautocaps can be toggled, right?00:21
rediirc00:21
ToJa92yeah00:22
ToJa92you can turn it off00:22
redits useful for sms00:23
reddreadful in web forma00:23
redforms*00:23
ToJa92well, if you write fast I can imagine it's useful... my typing speed is horrible though so I've turned it off00:23
ToJa92it was annoying in web forms, like you said00:23
ToJa92I wish the keyboard were more like my old E71's, it was perfect00:24
pupnikin layout or switch form?00:25
ToJa92I mostly liked the size and the fact there were some actual impact distance, and you actually heard a pretty loud click00:26
ToJa92some didn't like the small keyboard though00:26
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: (autocaps) aiui it's a property bit to be set on the particular readline() or whatever it's called. No idea about hildon desktop though00:26
pupnikhave you tried an n810 ToJa92 ?00:27
ToJa92nope00:27
ToJa92N900 is my first N-series phone from Nokia actually00:27
ToJa92how come you wonder?00:28
pupnikworse pressure point00:28
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pupniki find n900 a significant improvement00:28
DocScrutinizersome (like me) think N810 kbd is magnitudes better than N900's00:29
ToJa92oh00:29
ToJa92well, I can't write nearly as fast with my N900 as I could with my E7100:29
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pupnikthat amazes me DocScrutinizer00:30
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: wait another few weeks, I ordered a qwerty keymat00:31
SpeedEvilToJa92: It takes some learning.00:31
DocScrutinizeralas even that won't add a 4th row00:31
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SpeedEvilToJa92: I was at - maybe - 18wpm - then my laptop was down for a week, and I got to around 2800:31
ShadowJKI like the feel of n900 keyboard better, and it has many useful things as blue symbols that n810 keyboard didn't have, but then I like 4 row better00:31
SpeedEvilToJa92: I think I can hit 35 or so with another weeks practice in principle.00:31
ToJa92Yeah I guess so.. I was hoping the N900 would have more useful keyboard shortcuts such as Wifi toggle, BT toggle and LED toggle though00:32
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ToJa92like the E7200:32
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, where from? (keymat)00:33
vanadismobilehai thar00:34
vanadismobilei may asked this before, but how do i update my fennec? Is there a simple solution?00:35
ToJa92you'll need to add a special repository from mozilla00:35
ToJa92I can /msg the details to you00:35
vanadismobileyeah, would be cool00:35
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ToJa92is it just my xterm that sometimes seems to miss-interpret things? for example I wrote leafpad /etc/pmconfig but after I pressed enter it thought I wrote leafpad/etc/pmconfig00:52
flashnhas anyone successfully replaced busybox with coreutils yet?00:53
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CampHappyhey prank call this number 609713473400:53
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vanadismobileCampHappy, reason?00:54
genevenI give up. What does HAM stand for?00:54
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CampHappylady is a bitch00:55
genevenI see HAM in the overclocking thread a lot.00:55
SpeedEvilHildon Application Manager00:55
CampHappytell her that her son is placing a lawsuit against her00:55
vanadismobilelolwut00:56
CampHappyfo psycological abuse00:56
genevenThanks, Speedevil!00:56
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CampHappylol00:56
vanadismobilealso, not your personal army00:56
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SpeedEvilAsk 4chan.00:56
_llll_sounds like her son needs to grow up a bit00:57
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vanadismobile4chan isnt your personal army either00:57
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javispedroaha, didn't you want a nice eclipse help-like maemo docs page01:01
javispedrohttp://library.maemodocs.nokia.com/fremantle/index.jsp there you have01:01
javispedrowoot. impressive.01:02
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fralsjust some css tweaks to make it look a bit more like maemo.org and its perfect! ;)01:03
javispedrolooks pro. will they fool anybody into coding for the platform with it? =)01:04
flashnis there a dev channel around?01:04
javispedrothere's #maemo-devel for a little less off-topic stuff01:05
frals#maemo-devel ... but most of us is around in here as well01:05
* javispedro congratulates himself for managing to skip the entire repo-dns-akamai temporary fiasco =)01:06
flashnI just got my n900 and I want to get rid of busybox01:06
fralsjavispedro: ... bastard ;)01:06
flashnhavent found a real good answer on the internets, would be nice to know before I brick it >;)01:06
Arkenoiflashn: short answer: you cannot01:06
flashnwould like the long version tho >:P01:07
SpeedEvilflashn: you basically need to rewrite all the init scripts01:07
SpeedEvilflashn: or at least work out which ones bork with bash01:08
flashnthats no problem though01:08
SpeedEvilflashn: plus - a major issue is that bash has a _MUCH_ larger memory footprint.01:08
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Arkenoilong answer: you probably can, but it requires damn a lot of work it probably does not worth the effort01:08
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flashni didnt say I was gonna use bash01:08
SpeedEvilflashn: An instance of bash uses a large slice of a megabyte. An instance of ash uses 10-20k or so01:08
SpeedEvilwhere ash can also be any busybox tool01:09
SpeedEvilthe memory footprint - and indeed startup time - of a busybox tool - can be very low - as it's already in RAM01:09
flashnI already use bash01:09
SpeedEvilyuo can install gnu-tools, and set your path so it finds those first01:09
flashnbut Im more familiar with zsh01:09
Arkenoibut i do not see any good reason why we do not have "real" ps01:09
pupnikDINGO:  Oh, wicked, bad, naughty Zoot!  She has been setting alight to our beacon, which, I just remembered, is grail-shaped.  It's not the first time we've had this problem.01:09
flashnthats a ugly way of doing it01:10
SpeedEvilpupnik: :)01:10
SpeedEvilArkenoi: install gnu-utils01:10
flashnits in the repo?01:11
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SpeedEvilyes01:11
flashncool, Ill check it out01:11
flashnthanks!01:11
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SpeedEvilhttp://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/grep-gnu/2.5.4-4maemo3/01:11
SpeedEviland similar01:11
javispedrothis library is awesome. *drops devhelp*01:13
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jacekowskiok, i think i fixed it01:16
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jacekowskiOMG01:18
jacekowskiit's friday today01:18
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dubziiIt's already 10 minutes into Saturday over here jace01:19
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Gizmokid2005Wow...21 updates today...and no PR1.2...crazy!01:38
Gizmokid2005that seems like an extraordinary amount of updates for no fw update...hmm01:39
_llll_why would you expect the fw to be related to random packages?01:39
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Gizmokid2005I wouldn't. But I update every day, if not checking multiple times per day....for so many updates to come at once, you'd expect a FW update...or maybe for there to have been an issue with the repos.01:40
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ShadowJKdo you have -testing or -devel enabled?01:43
Gizmokid2005both01:43
javispedroShadowJK: they usually have.01:43
Gizmokid2005the people who stop by here at least :)01:43
javispedro i specially love the tmo post where someone requested a "repository where stable applications would be stored"01:43
ShadowJKRight. The autobuilder was enhanced to improve compatibility with PR1.1, so several packages that were PR1.2-only would now install on 1.1 too01:44
Gizmokid2005ShadowJK: aahhh, that would cause it I do suppose. So far, only 2 have failed due to PR1.2 deps...01:44
Gizmokid2005make that 3...01:44
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_llll_random packages and the fw are not really related, still dont see why the surprise01:47
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Gizmokid2005because of the major updates in libs in PR1.2, A lot of updates in different apps to update to the deps, just logic flow would lead one to believe a lot of app updates at once would indicate the libs are released (ie - a firmware).01:48
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javispedrono longer -- most packages should work across versions.01:49
Gizmokid2005most should...I'm still installing, but so far 3 still won't install because of lib differences.01:50
javispedronames?01:50
Gizmokid2005"Extended Call Log", "FreOffice", "Mapper" so far.01:50
FIQ(00:44:27) (Gizmokid2005) ShadowJK: aahhh, that would cause it I do suppose. So far, only 2 have failed due to PR1.2 deps...01:50
FIQukeyboard, sixad01:50
FIQis it those one?01:51
FIQtwo*01:51
dima202i can't install screen, I get "Package screen is not available, but is referred to by another package." what other package?01:52
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javispedroFreOffice is Qt; Mapper is temporary (fixed one is in temporary autobuilder ... ),01:52
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Gizmokid2005Extended Call Log is a hildon update01:52
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Gizmokid2005so is Mapper01:52
Gizmokid2005and I know FreOffice is Qt.01:52
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javispedroa "hildon update"?01:52
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jacekowskimhm01:53
Gizmokid2005yeah, hildon libs have updated which is the lib that the install is failing on.01:53
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jacekowskii think only way to fix caps issue is to disable autocaps in chrome01:53
javispedroGizmokid2005: according to my records, extcalllog is fixed.01:54
Gizmokid2005javispedro: not sure what to tell you... 0.3 which is in -devel won't update because of librtcom-eventlogger01:54
javispedroGizmokid2005: which is NOT hildon... sigh.01:55
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Gizmokid2005Yeah I saw that :(01:55
jacekowskihildon problem is fixed01:55
Gizmokid2005that was a mistake on my part :(01:55
Gizmokid2005sorry01:55
jacekowskiall 1.2 problems are fixed01:55
Gizmokid2005Mapper won't update because of "libhildon1" and "libpixman-1-0"01:55
javispedroseems there was API break between PRs in rtcom-eventlogger, they bumped SONAME.01:55
jacekowskithat's problem with a lot of linux apps01:56
jacekowskiapi is unstable compared to anything else01:56
Gizmokid2005javispedro: not a problem. I'm not complaining, nor worried about the lack of updates. Just stating facts01:56
Gizmokid2005I know it'll be fixed come PR1.201:56
jacekowski1.2 is not coming01:56
tripzeroPR1.2!!!!!11eleven01:56
tripzeronoooooo!!!! :( :(01:56
javispedroGizmokid2005: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/.fremantletest/maemo-mapper_3.0+beta4/results/ mapper is here.01:56
Gizmokid2005I didn't say it was...just saying it'll be fixed then.01:57
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Gizmokid2005javispedro: 3.0+beta2 is what's in -devel. I'm not that worried about updating it now to do a deb install.01:58
Gizmokid2005like I said, just stating facts.01:58
javispedroyou're already using -devel. it's as bad as .deb install.01:58
Gizmokid2005oh wait...beta4 is in the reports01:58
Gizmokid2005*repos01:58
Gizmokid2005wow01:58
Gizmokid2005yes I know...but then I have to either navigate to the url on my phone, or send it to my phone...and with my laziness, neither will happen.01:59
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javispedrojoggler got back to its original price :(02:07
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lcuk£359.99 ?02:07
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javispedro:) touché.02:07
javispedro£99.9902:08
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dima202So anyone know in what package I can find screen?02:13
jacekowskiyeah02:14
jacekowskiscreen02:14
jacekowski( don't tell anyone )02:14
_llll_is it even packaged?02:14
dima202i can't install screen, I get "Package screen is not available, but is referred to by another package." what other package?02:14
dima202jacekowski: I won't tell anyone02:15
jacekowskihmm02:15
jacekowskiit's not packaged02:15
jacekowskigive 20 minutes02:15
jacekowskiand i'll fix it02:15
dima202sweet thanks02:15
lcukbactually that sounds like it is?02:16
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_llll_sounds like anothr package does "Depends: screen"02:16
jacekowskiwell, maybe little bit more than 20 minutes02:16
lcukhttp://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages/screen/02:16
lcukyeah02:16
lcukso why do we also have documentation for it02:17
javispedrohttp://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/s/screen/02:17
jacekowskibecause it will take 20 minutes for me to make chrome package02:17
javispedrotools repo.02:17
_llll_woah, there's a tools repo?02:17
_llll_thanks for nothing maemo wiki02:17
jacekowskithat wiki is useless02:18
jacekowskii mean02:18
javispedro..02:18
jacekowskithere are 5 pages about same thing02:18
jacekowskibut every each of that pages has something that other pages don't have02:18
jacekowskibut 50% of text is same02:18
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_llll_and all badly written (thanks wikipedia for teaching people how not to write) so you dont want to trust it02:19
javispedroall badly written?02:19
_llll_haha, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/screen "this article documents a developer tool"02:21
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javispedroit's true -- it's on the devel repo.02:22
javispedros/devel/tools02:22
_llll_how is screen a developer tool?02:22
javispedrohow is it NOT a developer tool, considering that from the Maemo userbase only developers will use it?02:23
jacekowskii'm using screen02:24
_llll_wget as well02:24
jacekowskifor non development purposes02:24
jacekowskiand wget02:24
_llll_you may as well say firefox is a developer tool02:24
jacekowskigoogle is a developer tool02:24
jacekowskiand porn search engine02:24
javispedrohave you read the argument I used?02:24
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_llll_i dindt understand your argument02:24
_llll_im not a developer, but i use screen every day02:24
Arkenoiis it safe to enable pool repo on the device or there is a chance it will fetch some wrong version that will brick the phone?02:25
jacekowskiArkenoi: tool02:25
jacekowskiArkenoi: not pool02:25
javispedrotools, not pool. stuff there's not optified, btw.02:25
jacekowskiArkenoi: well, you can always unbrick it02:25
javispedro_llll_: we even have a say for that here: "the exception that proves the rule".02:26
javispedro*saying02:26
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jacekowskibesides, optification is evil02:27
_llll_man-db gets asked for a fair bit in here too02:27
jacekowskipackages should go to /opt/bin with their binaries02:27
jacekowskiand /opt/bin should be in PATH02:27
jacekowskinot like it's now that every binary is symlinker02:28
jacekowskisymlinked*02:28
javispedrobut it doesn't matter. the idea of the tools repo is to provide the free stuff that Nokia has used for development and testing to third party developers. they somehow used screen, but did not consider it a package fit for the base system repository, thus tools repo.02:28
_llll_basically my point is that it's a confusing name, and the wiki does not direct anyone to its existance02:28
javispedrohttp://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo502:28
javispedroit's not defined enough there? change it then.02:29
_llll_how would anyone have known that page was there? i certainly didny02:29
javispedro_llll_: well I found it following the link you gave me minutes ago02:29
guysoft42j #highaltitude02:29
guysoft42ops02:29
_llll_yes, and i only found that when someone mentione d"tools repository" in here02:30
_llll_i dont trhink "tools repository" is mentioned anywhere else02:30
_llll_confusing02:30
Ken-YoungI am trying to import contacts into my N900. I have an "Outlook format" CSV file called contacts.csv . I can see the file with xterminal.   It is world-readable.   But the Maemo Contacts app just doesn't list the file when I try to select it.   Is there some special name the file must have?  Is there some other format I need?02:31
jacekowskiyeah02:32
jacekowskivcard02:32
javispedro_llll_: "screen maemo" in google links to that page.02:32
jacekowskimaemo3 chrome just got uploaded02:32
Ken-Youngjacekowski, Thanks, I'll try that.02:33
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Ken-Youngjacekowski, That fixed my problem.   Thanks again, that saved a lot of typing.02:37
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lcukfrals #maemo-ui  is thata way >>02:45
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fralslcuk: yeah im there ;)02:45
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ToJa92does anyone know how to clear the "preloading" images that appear before the actual application is loaded? It's pretty much a screenshot that is on top of the application which is loading....03:03
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dima202jacekowski: any luck porting screen to maemo repo?03:23
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SpeedEvilI've got screen installed03:28
SpeedEviltry apt-get install screen03:28
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dima202same error03:32
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Clasificadohi all03:35
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SpeedEvilit's in the tools repo03:37
SpeedEviland works fine03:37
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dima202I only see # Extras repository for community applications03:42
dima202# Extras Testing repository for testing of stable community applications03:42
dima202# Extras Development repository for testing of unstable community applications03:42
Clasificadohi all03:43
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dima202No #Tools repository03:43
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dima202I thought n900 used arm, what's this armel ?04:31
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Elleodima202: they are arm chips, armel refers to binaries compiled for arm's eabi04:46
Elleoiirc it's an arm cortex a804:47
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pupnikwho here remembers where microb caches flv04:59
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pupniklsof isnt making me smarter05:05
Clasificadomicrob has a button to clear cache05:06
Clasificadosomething like clear private data05:06
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Elleopupnik: looks like ~/MyDocs/tmp/Flash$x05:12
Elleowhere $x is a random string05:12
dima202Elleo: I think thats clears stuff up a little05:13
Elleodima202: basically anything newer target at stuff newer than an arm4t is likely to be armel as far as debian packages are concerned05:14
Elleoanything pre EABI support debian labels as simply "arm" architecture05:14
Elleos/newer target/targetted/05:15
dima202ok, I understand, thanks Elleo05:15
Elleono problem :)05:15
pupnikty also Elleo05:21
Elleono worries05:21
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pupnikdid youtube break flash video for mplayer?  i am getting maybe 8 frames, then playback stops05:35
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prontothey've added ads before the video itself recently05:52
prontothat might be causing issues05:52
pupniki have to reboot to check05:54
pupnikdo you see problems with them pronto ?  even in browser they seem to hang after a few frames05:58
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prontofor what? the n90005:58
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pupnikyes06:05
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crashanddiesomehow, I believe some people need to actually read what they send to print http://www.amazon.com/Cooking-Pooh-Cookie-Cutters-Adventures/dp/157082261107:06
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crashanddiethe comments on that page are excellent though07:07
crashanddiePage 6, "Two tigers one cup" ???07:08
crashanddiehttp://www.amazon.com/Daddy-Didnt-Albert-Whitman-Prairie/dp/0807535265 lmao07:09
crashanddiehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l641JZwsQVU07:13
Corsacmpf, angry birds is still at 1.1.0 while 1.2.1 has been released07:17
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LuciusMareHi, I have several questions related to the easy debian chroot. First, it seems that I did something with the sudoers - 'debbie' asks me for password. How to fix it?08:14
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dotblankwell I think Ive done something useless08:19
dotblankcompiled a starcraft battlenet server for the n90008:20
dotblankNow my phone is a mobile tournament server08:20
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LuciusMaredotblank: oo08:21
LuciusMarethat might be useless, but awesome08:22
dotblanknow I all I need to do is make a script arp poison intercept DNS requests and redirect useast.battle.net to my phones IP address08:22
crazyhorsesim confused, im trying to install a package in apt-get ... but it keeps reminding me of another package i tried to install using dpkg .. how can i clear it?08:22
dotblanksimple right?08:22
LuciusMaredotblank: what about the wifi?08:23
dotblankyou may be able to force the install08:23
dotblankLuciusMare, well performance on wifi will be slow08:23
LuciusMareYou would need to duct tape the phone to the antenne to get a reasonable speed08:23
dotblankbetter Idea08:24
dotblankcreate an AP called starcraft08:24
dotblankhave people connect to it08:24
dotblankah but is wifi fast enough08:24
LuciusMareThen my router is composed of spare parts08:25
dotblankThe best solution would be to host a webserver that has a php script to automatically generate a .reg file that changes the bnet gateways to that of the phone08:26
dotblanknow is php ported?08:26
dotblankor is the apache compilied for the n900 have mod_python/08:27
LuciusMarebut wit a minute, I thought starcraft is closed source and win only...08:29
LuciusMares/wit/wait/08:29
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nfermatwhat i can do to swap mmcblk0 for mmcblk1 ? udev rules?08:29
dotblankwell there is a open source bnet clone that is compatible with blizzards sc208:30
dotblanksc1*08:30
LuciusMareoo, cool08:30
LuciusMarebut only the server, right?08:30
dotblankits also a warcraft III and diablo server08:30
dotblankyes08:30
LuciusMare:(08:31
dotblankwhats cool is you can make an app control the bnet server and create ladders or brackets for an event from your phone08:31
dotblankyou could also make it watch the progress of games... then if you wanted to get really really fancy08:32
dotblankyou could load the sc1 client with replay stream client and then send it to a headless windows VM with a vnc server and it would allow you to "watch" matches in realtime from your phone08:33
LuciusMare*dumb smile*08:34
LuciusMarereplay stream client?08:34
dotblankyea ICCup has a launcher that will enable realtime streaming of matches08:34
dotblanknative to the games replay format08:35
LuciusMareby the way, when we're on virtual machines...08:35
LuciusMareI had this warm feeling when I ran kvm on my n900, ran a little linux in it, and connected to it from my friends house with vnc08:37
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LuciusMare^^08:37
dotblankyou ran KVM on the n90008:37
LuciusMarehurr08:37
dotblankI don't think the n900 has hardware extensions for VMs or is it software08:37
EbzzryHi! Is there at least an R5RS Scheme for Maemo 5?08:37
LuciusMareOr was it the easy debian chroot? I am not sure, I was kinda playing with both things at once08:38
dotblanksounds like a debian arm chroot08:39
LuciusMareProbably yes08:39
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luke-jrOpenVZ should work on ARM :P08:52
dotblankhas marble been releasde for the n900?08:58
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dotblanki love it when an unmodified project says "Building with Maemo GPS support"09:01
kirmadotblank: cortex a8 has hypervisor stuff, I don't really remember the name for it though09:05
kirmanot in use with n900 I bet...09:05
kirmatrustzone09:06
dotblankso im 60% into building marble... no errors yet09:06
luke-jrkirma: hypervisor doesn't need hardware stuff09:07
kirmaoh well, technically it can live without it09:09
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LuciusMareHi, can i trigger the auto-focus,whit balance... from shell?09:23
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Gh0styLuciusMare: you have the same impression like me?09:29
Gh0stythat pictures are too bright ?09:30
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RST38hhttp://s06.radikal.ru/i179/1004/22/e9dbd14be59f.jpg09:33
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LuciusMareGh0sty: sorta, actually, I made it take a photograph every x seconds, and since it starts at night, and day gets brighter, soon there is nothing but white area instead of the photo09:40
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crashanddieLuciusMare: you don't want AWB for timelapse09:57
crashanddieLuciusMare: AWB will absolutely ruin your timeline -- nothing will make sense09:57
Treibholzhast anybody ever watched a video with zoutube?09:57
Treibholzdoesn't work here. I only see the throbber, when I click on a video.09:58
dotblankhmm I just made a package I was wondering how to optify it09:59
dotblankmaemo-optify-deb doesn't exist in my sratch box10:00
LuciusMarecrashanddie: why so?10:00
crashanddieLuciusMare: hang on, give me 5 minutes and I'll digg up a video that demonstrates this10:00
LuciusMarecrashanddie: i am not talking about 5 second intervals, i mean something around 10 minutes10:00
crashanddieyeah, doesn't matter10:00
LuciusMarebut okay, so how to solve it?10:01
LuciusMareIf i auto at day, i'll see nothing at night and vice versa...10:01
crashanddieLuciusMare: I have quite a lot of experience with time lapse, I build my rigs to move the camera and take pictures at specific intervals10:01
crashanddieLuciusMare: well, AWB changes the "white balance"10:01
crashanddiebut your white balance doesn't really change, because you're not going from inside to outside, etc10:02
crashanddie(white balance defines how "white" the light is, it doesn't define exposure or anything)10:02
Macerhello10:03
crashanddiethe only thing you should be modifying the exposure and ISO setting, preferably manually, or scripted, auto is bad10:03
crashanddiehey Macer10:03
Macerhi10:03
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Maceranother glorious night. any word on the n910 yet?10:03
LuciusMarehm, right.10:04
RST38hYes, it will run WebOS =)10:04
LuciusMareThank you10:04
* RST38h hides10:04
MacerRST38h: hahhaa10:04
Maceris webos any good?10:05
Maceri still cant believe they chose that name.. like it is 1992 or something10:05
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crashanddieLuciusMare: there's multiple techniques used to cheat the exposure -- some will use two cameras, very close to each other, one setup for night, the other for day, some will make two passes with the same camera, completely manual, once for night, and once for day, and then just blend both sources in post-prod10:07
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Corsacyeah, usually decent cameras have bracketing habilities10:10
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crashanddieCorsac: bracketing is useless for timelapse10:12
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crashanddieLuciusMare: I'm guessing you'd like to achieve something like this: http://vimeo.com/3292216 ? The problem with that is that well... It's "shaky" because of the auto-exposure10:18
inkbottleThere is no plan for a faster CPU?10:19
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BCMMi mistakenly tried to connect to a wireless network (presumably ad-hoc) on a train from my n90010:20
BCMMnow it always shows on the list of possible network connections10:20
BCMMcan i make it forget about it?10:20
dotblankis libqt4-webkit not optified10:21
crashanddieBCMM: delete it in the network dialog10:22
BCMMthanks10:22
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BCMMoh hadn't looked at that before10:23
BCMMpresumably that lets you create an ad-hoc or use a hidden network10:23
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dotblankUgh10:26
dotblankcan't install libqt4-webkit.... it uses too much on rootfs10:26
dotblankGAH!10:26
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crashanddieLuciusMare: Here is a good example of what can be achieved by correctly choosing the exposure: http://vimeo.com/1001090410:31
crashanddieLuciusMare: btw, if you want to get serious about timelapsing, may I suggest a real camera?10:31
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BCMMcan one import an email address book for use with the built-in email?10:58
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dotblankawesome11:09
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crashanddiedotblank: hmm?11:13
crashanddieBCMM: sure, you can import gmail contacts for example11:14
BCMMcrashanddie: thanks11:14
BCMMalready found the option to import vcards11:14
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dotblankcrashanddie, oh just built a package for PVPgn on arm11:16
dotblanknow I have a battle.net server on my n90011:16
korhojoa:D11:18
korhojoa"anyone wanna play some diablo?"11:18
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lcukmornin maemo \o11:25
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MaceG1I don't think I can take it anymore11:39
MaceG1I am getting an n900 tomorrow morn11:39
MaceG1Ordering one at least11:39
Stskeepshehe11:39
MaceG1:)11:39
ChikuI don't think I can take it anymore too11:39
ChikuI wil not wait PR1.211:39
MaceG1I was holding back until the bugs were ironed out11:39
Chikuand reflash with PR1.111:40
MaceG1PR1.2?11:40
MaceG1If they had named it the n900 eXtreme11:40
MaceG1I would have bought it when it was released11:40
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MaceG1bad marketing decision by nokia. Everybody knows a capital X is needed for cool things to buy11:41
MaceG1Like... n900X11:41
MaceG1Sts.. I was honestly holding out hope that mer would be just like maemo5 on my n81011:42
MaceG1;-)11:42
MaceG1With gles support and all hehe11:42
Stskeepsmm11:42
MaceG1But now the n810 is ancient and has a layer of dust I can use to weave a quilt with11:43
MaceG1I should hook it up to a stereo as an mp3 player11:43
MaceG1Or ogg!11:43
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fralsmorning everyone o/11:45
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lcukmornin frals \o\11:50
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RST38hah, live lcuk!11:52
* lcuk is a recording11:52
* frals erases lcuk11:52
lcukagain!11:54
lcukfrals, your outlook2010 problem is fail11:54
fralsyes, it sucks11:55
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RST38hNormal people do not use Outlook.11:55
MaceG1Haha11:55
RST38hThey use PINE! =)11:55
RST38h[and PICO of course]11:55
fralshaha11:55
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MaceG1I was with you until the pico part11:56
sECuREif anyone really uses a commandline mail client, try sup.rubyforge.org11:56
MaceG1Pine + vi11:56
sECuREi switched to it from mutt und it really is so much better11:56
lcukhardcore users read mail via telnet11:56
petterialpine seems to be the new pine11:56
MaceG1lcuk: over 300 baud modems on terminals11:56
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MaceG1Like wargames where the "password" is joshua and you just need to put that in at the login prompt11:57
lcukMaceG1, sadists use a regular phone and whistle the modem signals11:57
MaceG1Holy shit11:57
MaceG1You win :)11:58
MaceG1Hahahahaha11:58
MaceG1That's extreme11:58
MaceG1Capital X11:58
nid0i regularly read mail via a shell :<11:58
lcuki normally listen to the sea with a shell11:59
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MaceG1Lcuk: that is the quote of the year. You made me giggle like a school girl with that one11:59
lcuk:D12:00
dotblankGah I need an expert in optification12:02
fralsmornin Noobmonk3y12:02
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Noobmonk3yi need a big fat fryup!12:02
Noobmonk3ymooooooooaning12:02
nid0thatd be lovely about now12:02
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nid0got no bacon tho12:03
nid0or eggs :(12:03
Noobmonk3yi just sent the missus to the kitchen, wohooooo12:03
nid0mine's still in bed, lazy cow12:03
lcukNoobmonk3y, ask her to make me some too please12:03
lcuknid0, im still in bed12:04
nid0shes still in bed + asleep*12:04
Noobmonk3ylol!12:04
lcukhow do you know im not12:04
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nid0i've seen sleep typists in my time but never one that can actually respond to people12:05
lcuksleep typists usually use nose as a spare finger12:05
lcukand wake up with letter impressions on forehead12:05
Noobmonk3yoooo yay laureus sports awards on tv....12:05
MaceG1Hm. I should try this windows.kde.org thing12:06
MaceG1Speaking of which. How is the opensolaris kde project going?12:06
MaceG1Say what you want about kde but I like it :)12:06
nid0bummer, flights restricted for longer12:07
nid0my sister's boyfriend was meant to be flying home today12:07
MaceG1Flights restricted?12:08
MaceG1Is he flying in from iran?12:08
lcukyeah iceland farted12:08
MaceG1Another quake?12:08
lcukMaceG1, you havent heard about the massive ash cloud12:08
nid0MaceG1 no, volcano in iceland on like thursday has shutdown air travel over most of europe12:08
nid0its been like12:08
nid0headline news, everywhere12:08
nid0for days12:08
MaceG1Whoa12:08
lcukfrom big volcano, wiping out air traffic over lots of europe for the last few days?12:08
MaceG1I don't watch tv ;)12:09
lcukcave dweller?12:09
MaceG1Wow12:09
MaceG1Sounds serious12:09
lcuktis12:09
MaceG1No. Just don't usually watch tv12:09
Terje_nid0, I bet that gave some ideas to Pentagon about warfare.12:09
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MaceG1Wow. Guess I should go to propaganda.com and check it out12:09
lcukjust open any news site12:10
MaceG1It's like the beginning of 2012 ;)12:10
lcukits only a volcano12:10
Noobmonk3ylol! jensons button owon best breakthrough in sport, genius.12:10
lcukhttp://twitter.com/#search?q=%23ashtag12:11
BCMMi added the rss applet and i can't get rid of it12:12
* Noobmonk3y blinks12:12
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BCMMit moves whenever i try12:13
lcuknuke it from orbit?12:13
lcukive lost my phone12:14
BCMMis there some other way to remov it?12:14
BCMM(desktop widget, rather)12:14
Noobmonk3ywhich one? :)12:14
fralslcuk: something for you then http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=5024612:15
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lcukBCMM, try using stylus to click accurately on the x12:15
lcukor reboot device to shake out whatever cobweb12:15
BCMMlcuk tried that for several minutes12:16
BCMMany click makes it move12:16
lcukreboot12:16
BCMMeven very short ones12:16
lcukping liq-n0012:16
BCMMyeah, i'll do that12:16
* lcuk moves to console12:16
nid0hey neat, someone's finally done a recovery app?12:16
Stskeepsurl?12:16
nid0frals just linked it12:17
fralsStskeeps http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=5024612:17
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Stskeepsah, noone picked up on a rescue menu initrd yet12:18
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Stskeepsmeego arm instructions are good for that12:18
lcukthat was neat12:18
lcukbattery was lowlowlow last night when i went to manchester12:18
Stskeeps(tell flasher to boot this kernel with this initrd)12:18
lcuki had radio tx on12:18
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lcukand its still alive12:19
lcukleft in cold car all night :)12:19
lcuksometime during night it disabled radio tho12:19
haltdefsurely it would just get nicked in manchester12:19
haltdef:<12:19
lcukhaltdef, surely not12:20
lcuk:)12:20
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lcukdidnt reconnect to home wifi tho12:20
lcukelse i couldv pinged it12:20
fralsyou dont have permanent ssh reverse tunnel up?12:21
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lcukno frals the amount of times i use 3g is rare12:21
lcukand i can just vnc into home machine when needed12:21
crashanddieo/ lcuk12:21
lcuk\o\ seb12:21
lcuk/o/12:22
lcuk\o/12:22
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noobmonk3y_;)12:25
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lcuki think noobmonk3y is a pretty cool guy.  eh punches ghosties and doesnt afraid of anything...12:26
noobmonk3yhehehe tis true ;)12:26
noobmonk3ycasper aint got nout on me ;)12:26
lcuknoob 'Zuul' Monk3y12:27
noobmonk3ylol!12:27
* noobmonk3y grumbles12:30
lcukjake is driving everyone nuts with his new gun12:30
lcukBCMM, any luck?12:31
BCMMyeah thanks12:31
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* lcuk hates the windows fix but it saves so much time in diagnosis :(12:32
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lcukslashdot is broke, slashdot is broke omgomg12:37
spectre-old news12:38
spectre-:p12:39
Chikuall -devel repos is broke12:40
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Mecehey, anyone tested what kind of latency you get with N900 tethering over 3G?12:53
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lcuknot much12:54
Stskeepsi'm not complaining12:54
lcuki find 3g great12:54
lcuk3.5g is even betterer12:54
haltdefinternet!12:55
haltdefhttp://www.ispreview.co.uk/story/2010/04/17/3-and-t-mobile-uk-sign-major-3g-mobile-broadband-network-expansion-deal.html mm12:56
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noobmonk3yhas anyone changed the top left icon on the n900 (menu task thingy icon) ?12:58
crashanddieyes12:58
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noobmonk3yooo.... searched the customise wiki, but there doesnt seem to be any examples of ti? - assuming it is just replacing a file....12:59
noobmonk3yit*12:59
noobmonk3yhas anyone setup a place to download examples? :D12:59
noobmonk3y:(13:03
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* noobmonk3y thinks it's almost time to get ready for a bbq ;)13:14
fralstodays annoyance: my operator settings are missing from /etc/operater_settings13:15
noobmonk3yfrals, you need to go and find them ;)13:15
noobmonk3yhow much money have you spent testing mms's by the way? must cost a fortune? :|13:15
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nid0contracts are fun?13:15
fralsi got free mms on my plan13:15
frals:>13:15
noobmonk3yooo wow!13:15
fralsor well, 3000 free mms within the provider13:16
nid0uh13:16
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noobmonk3ythats cool!13:16
nid0doesnt yours noobmonk3y?13:16
noobmonk3ylol nid0  no13:16
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nid0what network are you on..? :s13:16
fralsand got a prepaid with the same provider for my dev device so im spamming away ;)13:16
noobmonk3yi have sent 4 now, at about 15p each :P13:16
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noobmonk3ynid0, vodafone13:16
nid0they must be the only uk network that still charge for mms's13:16
fralsto other providers it costs me err 0.69 SEK which is like 0.069€13:16
noobmonk3y:D13:16
nid0everyone else just takes them from your sms allowance at a cost of 3 sms's per mms13:16
* noobmonk3y is just checking the cost13:17
nid0so 1k texts free on contract = 333 mms's free a month13:17
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noobmonk3y£0.306  per message :(13:18
nid0sucky13:18
nid0switch to a good provider :D13:19
MohammadAGlike O2 :P13:19
noobmonk3ylol really, for a couple of mms's? :P13:19
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nid0o2're great13:19
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noobmonk3yi dont like the signal for 02 down here though13:19
MohammadAGyou live on CO2 then?13:20
noobmonk3y:D13:20
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noobmonk3yMohammadAG, Morning lol13:28
noobmonk3yjust woken up and realised you are on ;)13:28
MohammadAGmorning noobmonk3y13:28
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MohammadAGlol who was saying the stuff above then13:28
MohammadAG:P13:28
noobmonk3ynid0, there is a hrdware mino rrevision number13:30
noobmonk3ywould have thought nokia would update it if making changes?13:30
MohammadAG210113:31
noobmonk3y:D13:31
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noobmonk3yyup, but would assume if they made changes recently a newer version should be seen soon13:31
nid0noobmonk3y sometimes, not always13:32
nid0well, they may do now but i've seen hardware revisions of previous phone models that never had the revision number altered13:33
nid0the guy needs to get the phone and check it to find out, tho :P13:33
nid0sadly I cant see any changes to the n900 being retrofittable though :P13:34
SpeedEvilyou can in principle swap out the CPU13:35
SpeedEvilnot an end-user one thoguh13:35
noobmonk3y:D13:35
* MohammadAG gets his i5 out of his PC13:36
fralsah, autoconfiguration seems to eb working \o/13:36
nid0replacing the usb and phone connectors with stronger ones isnt exactly doable though :P13:36
MohammadAGhmm, it should fit under the battery13:36
SpeedEvilnoobmonk3y: I wouldn't expect it to be nesceserraly user-visible changes13:36
nid0unlike the e90 hardware revision where you could just drop the original phone into a nokia care point and theyd put on the revised keyboard and hinges for you in about 20 minutes :p13:36
SpeedEvilnid0: Changing the glue, or the glue-up procedure on the port however is13:37
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SpeedEvilnoobmonk3y: For example - it might be swapping out the front cam for a cheaper one. Or going with a different SoC, or ...13:38
SpeedEvil(where different = different speedgrade or different flash amount)13:39
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nid0that seems unlikely for a hardware revision of the same model though, usually theyre just tweaks to the manufacturing process to address durability issues13:39
noobmonk3y:D13:39
SpeedEvil....456778888890;;.,,lmllmlmjjijyggffssaw3uop;\.,,,lkjjhjdxzzxhttp://shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html?LH_AvailTo=3&_nkw=high+voltage+relay&_arm=1&_armm=63&_ruu=http://shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html%3F_nkw%3Dhigh%2Bvoltage%2Brelay%26_arr%3D1&_rdc=113:40
SpeedEviloops13:40
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fralsis there any good way to add help text to something gtk/hildon?13:40
SpeedEvilnid0: If you can shave off $3 of the price of a phone selling large numbers...13:40
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noobmonk3yooooo under 12 hours till healthcheck promotion :D13:41
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crashanddiebest coaster ever: http://nerdapproved.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/bitchcoaster.jpg13:41
noobmonk3ylol13:42
fralsnoobmonk3y: bastard being so close to extras!13:42
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noobmonk3ylol frals ;)13:42
PhonicUKhey all13:42
noobmonk3yhey PhonicUK13:42
PhonicUKhows it going?13:42
noobmonk3yfrals,  all it means is i need to get on with a new version ;)13:43
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PhonicUKanyone know why The Mana World has no menu icon?13:44
PhonicUKlaunches fine from console13:44
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noobmonk3yright off for a bbq alls - cya laters :D :D13:45
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Hariainmhi everyone13:47
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crashanddieI'm tempted to submit a small .deb package to the builder13:56
crashanddiecalled "Maemo5 PR1.2"13:56
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crashanddiewhich, when installed, displays goatse13:56
crashanddieand use my stopwatch to time the delay before I'm banned for life from any future summit13:57
zashcrashanddie: do it!13:57
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mvahi there!13:58
crashanddiehey mva13:58
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crashanddieLMAO13:58
mvawhat about kernel-power-* is it better, that kernel-*-maemo ?13:58
crashanddieOK, you're gonna love this one13:59
mvaand did -power- has IPv6 support?13:59
crashanddiePhotographer takes another photographer friend with him to a photoshoot13:59
crashanddieThe guy is looking over his buddy's shoulder, and just as the photographer is taking a picture from behind the female model, at about waist level, he shouts out: "OH WOW DUDE, You're right, that IS SUPER WIDE"14:00
crashanddieThe model turns around, furious, and walks out of the photoshoot14:00
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fralslol14:02
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tliris OS2008 still the best choice for N810 devices or can/should I move to Maemo5 or the MER project?14:20
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Stskeepsos2008 plus community ssu14:21
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tlirocmmunity ssu?14:22
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tlirStskeeps: what is community ssu?14:23
NuD1t7slippery slickers unwanted14:23
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crashanddietlir: you can't install maemo 5 on n8x0 devices14:32
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jacekowskimhm14:35
jacekowskibuilder is slowish today14:35
jacekowskinormally it took 19 minutes to build chrome14:35
jacekowskinow it's doing it for 23 minutes and it's still not finished14:35
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tlircrashanddie: ahh ok14:36
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crashanddiejacekowski: you're not the only one using builder14:38
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mikhasOMG, you had to wait for 23 minutes? outrageous!14:41
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jacekowskiwell it's 30 minutes now14:42
Noobmonk3yaghhhhhhhhhhh14:42
* Noobmonk3y is pissed off14:42
Noobmonk3ygot bloody clamped.... the ticket slid of the dashboard....14:42
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Noobmonk3y£120 to release :(14:42
jacekowskitickets in uk come with sticky thing14:43
jacekowskiso you stick them to windscreen14:43
Noobmonk3yjacekowski, not ours, residents parking, just like a business card14:43
jacekowskiyou can always try to write couple letters14:44
Noobmonk3yyup will do :(14:44
jacekowskithey ussualy let go after you write couple letters14:44
Noobmonk3yjust dont understand why £120........ parked there for 3 years.....14:45
jacekowski( other thing is thta you can pay over phone )14:45
jacekowskiand they can check if you are allowed to park without you having to display a ticket14:45
Noobmonk3ynot when i have no cash......14:46
jacekowskithat's taking too long14:46
jacekowskiover 30 minutes14:46
jacekowskiand normally it takes under 2014:46
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Noobmonk3yyeah yu woulda thought they would check b4 clamping14:46
n900-dkHmm, why does download of Healthcheck keep failing?14:46
Noobmonk3yerror msg?14:47
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n900-dk'Download of healthcheck failed' when I'm trying to install from HAM14:47
jacekowski36 minutes14:48
Noobmonk3yhmmmmm..... MohammadAG, lcuk ? any xterm suggestions?14:48
MohammadAG?14:48
MohammadAGoh14:48
MohammadAGroot14:48
MohammadAGapt-get update && apt-get install healthcheck14:49
fralswhats the version number of pr1.1.1?14:49
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frals2010.02-?14:49
MohammadAG3.2010.02-8 I think14:49
MohammadAGsec14:49
Noobmonk3yyup14:49
fralsta14:49
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slonopotamusanyone has autoconf knowledge?14:51
slonopotamusi want to declare optional dependency14:51
Noobmonk3yn900-dk, did you see MohammadAG 's instructions?14:52
n900-dkahh, it looks like it is because it can't resolve downloads.maemo.nokia.com, when on my wifi, but work with 3G14:53
Noobmonk3ylol! thats random!14:53
MohammadAGn900-dk, change your dns14:53
Noobmonk3ywhich v are you downloading n900-dk ?14:53
MohammadAGto either google dns, or openDNS14:53
n900-dkI tried that too, still no luck14:54
MohammadAG208.67.222.222, 208.67.220.220 openDNS14:54
MohammadAG8.8.8.8 google dns14:54
n900-dkI know :)14:54
Noobmonk3y:)14:54
MohammadAG:)14:55
MohammadAGthat smiley freaks me out sometimes14:55
Noobmonk3yn900-dk, version 1.0 will be in downloads tonight :)14:55
n900-dkthen version is 1.0.0-014:55
Noobmonk3y:D14:55
Noobmonk3ycool :)14:55
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Noobmonk3ysomeone somewhere has translated an older version of healthcheck to german, russian, polish and chinese!14:56
Noobmonk3yhmmmm did version 1.0 include click updates? loosing track of versions!14:57
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n900-dkenglish is fine for me14:57
Noobmonk3y:)14:58
Noobmonk3yi assume dk =dansk?14:58
n900-dkyes14:58
Noobmonk3y:D14:58
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* MohammadAG hits the subscribe button on tehkseven's youtube channel15:01
Noobmonk3yMohammadAG, what is your app called?15:01
MohammadAGwhich one?15:01
Noobmonk3yin testing15:01
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fralshmm15:02
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fralstime to get some screens together for ux people to hate on i think15:02
n900-dkIt would be nice to see changelog when updating an app i HAM..15:02
Noobmonk3ylol!15:02
Noobmonk3yn900-dk, i agree15:02
n900-dknow with healthcheck v1.1.0-2 \o/ - thx Noobmonk3y15:04
Noobmonk3yhaha devel version :)15:04
Noobmonk3ythink it is safe though :)15:04
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n900-dkit didn't break my phone... yet ;)15:04
Gh0stylol15:04
Gh0styits like driving a motorcycle15:05
Gh0styyou have 2 types of drivers15:05
Noobmonk3yhehehe :) lots more goodies though  :)15:05
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Gh0stythose who have fallen ... and those who are going to fall :p15:05
Gh0stysame goes for phone owners? :p15:05
* n900-dk living on the edge15:05
Noobmonk3ylol15:05
* Noobmonk3y is dloading Noor15:06
MohammadAGlol15:06
MohammadAGsorry had to go for a bit15:06
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fralsNoobmonk3y: you need an icon for healthcheck in HAM!15:07
MohammadAGhe has one o.O15:07
Noobmonk3yfrals, its gone again?15:07
frals3,4 MB bloody hell what is this a movie?15:07
fralsnot showing on my device :+15:07
Noobmonk3yit keeps doing a vanisihing act15:07
fralssec lemme check on the other one as well15:07
n900-dkNoobmonk3y: it is only in devel15:07
n900-dkI guess15:07
Noobmonk3yMohammadAG, you need to link google translate to noor hehe15:08
MohammadAGLOL15:08
Noobmonk3yn900-dk, frals , shows an icon for me.15:08
fralsno icon for me15:08
MohammadAGapp is in english by default Noobmonk3y :)15:08
fralson neither of my phones so 3v1!15:08
Noobmonk3ythe quran isnt tho! :)15:08
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* MohammadAG wonders if he should add translation by default15:09
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, your thoughts?15:09
Noobmonk3y:)15:09
fralsdoes have one in app listing thou15:09
Noobmonk3yi'm intruiged by it15:09
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MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, icon went poof15:10
Noobmonk3yooo update for fmms...15:10
Noobmonk3ymeh.... will fix the gay icon 2nite15:11
frals"ui-confirmation_note.w" <- teh wat?15:11
Noobmonk3ystill shows on the device tho?15:11
fralsoh it was a touchselector, i see15:11
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fralsyeah shows when installed15:11
MohammadAG"JERUSALEM (AP) - Israel has banned imports of Apple Inc.'s hottest new product, the iPad, citing concerns the powerful gadget consumes too much capacity on wireless networks and could disrupt other devices."15:11
MohammadAGkind of weird imo15:12
fralsi read that the other day15:12
Noobmonk3y:)15:12
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fralsits on some non allowed freq or something like that15:12
fralsthats how i understood the other article i read anyway15:12
fralsso not capacity as in amount of data but blocking frequencies for others or something like that..15:13
fralsotoh i could be completly wrong, its known to have happend15:13
* MohammadAG wonders if it blocks government frequencies15:13
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y,15:15
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Noobmonk3y?15:15
MohammadAGany chance for a will it blend feature in Heathcheck?15:15
fralslol15:15
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Noobmonk3yblend?15:16
Noobmonk3yie food mixer?15:16
SpeedEvilIt could search the blendtek channel for n90015:16
Noobmonk3yohhhh15:17
Noobmonk3ytek7 stuff15:17
Noobmonk3ylol15:17
MohammadAGno lol15:17
SpeedEvilhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qySFp3qnVmM&feature=channel15:17
Noobmonk3y? or that blending youtube thing15:17
MohammadAGhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAl28d6tbko15:17
Noobmonk3ycould add it for a joke. frals, can we use your loaner? :)15:18
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, beat me to it15:18
jacekowskican anybody test latest chrome update?15:18
SpeedEviljacekowski: how15:18
* MohammadAG does an apt-get update15:18
jacekowskirepo15:18
SpeedEvilrepo?15:18
MohammadAGlove doing those in xchat15:19
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, most prolly extras-devel15:19
Noobmonk3yin xchat?15:19
jacekowskiextras-devel15:19
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, yep15:19
SpeedEvilI have extras-devel enabled, and I saw no chrome last I looked15:19
SpeedEvilin network?15:19
MohammadAG/exec sudo apt-get update15:19
MohammadAGlike that15:19
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: it's been there for 10 minutes15:19
Noobmonk3yahhhhhh!15:19
SpeedEvilah15:19
Noobmonk3yi'd get a load, so maybe not15:20
SpeedEviljacekowski: clearly I don't check enough15:20
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, chromium, not chrome afaik15:20
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, load?15:20
Noobmonk3ylots of updates15:20
MohammadAGupdate just refreshes the repo15:21
MohammadAG~ping15:21
infobot~pong15:21
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SpeedEviljacekowski: aha! Downloading.15:22
SpeedEviloops15:22
* SpeedEvil thought net was down15:22
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SpeedEviljacekowski: any specific tests?15:27
jacekowskiUPPERCASE LETERS15:29
jacekowskidoes it work correctly and letters are lowercase15:29
SpeedEvil0. chrome or chromium are not found in xterm15:30
MohammadAGoutput of apt-cache15:31
MohammadAGchromium - Chromium browser15:31
SpeedEviltook ages to respond to 'click to keep google as your search engine'15:32
Noobmonk3ybrb bbq! in no signal area15:32
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jacekowski /opti/chromium/chrome15:34
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jacekowski /opt*15:34
SpeedEviljacekowski: scrollbars to scroll the page don't work well for me15:36
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, install chrometouch extension15:36
MohammadAGadds kinetic scrolling (and keeps the scrollbars)15:36
SpeedEvilwhere is this?15:36
MohammadAGumm15:37
SpeedEvilah15:37
MohammadAGclick the first icon from the right15:37
MohammadAGsettings15:37
MohammadAGclick extensions15:37
MohammadAGbrowse and search15:37
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SpeedEviljacekowski: I assume you know about the nothing happening when you click the app title thing?15:38
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jacekowskiyes15:39
jacekowskibut what is supposed to happen15:39
Nitialany hints how to disable screensaver during my application?15:39
jacekowskii mean, all menus are somewhere else15:40
jacekowskidoes anybody remember name for that hildon fullscreen widget15:40
SpeedEviljacekowski: Pull up the 'menu' menu that you get when you click on that aforementioned 'tools' icon I guess15:40
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SpeedEvilclicking on 'install' - on extension doesn't do anything15:41
jacekowskihmm15:41
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MohammadAGSpeedEvil, it should download and install15:41
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SpeedEviloh - fair enough15:42
SpeedEvilUI fail - installed without notice15:43
MohammadAGlol15:43
MohammadAGthat's google's fault ;)15:43
MohammadAGjust reload another tab to activate it15:43
SpeedEvilyes - as I've not used chrome, I'm sticking with blaming jacekowski for everything.15:43
MohammadAGlol15:44
MohammadAGjacekowski, chromium is held back by apt-get15:44
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* MohammadAG does a reinstall15:45
jacekowskiyou might have to remove libxss if you had it installed15:45
MohammadAGit wasn't installed15:45
SpeedEviljacekowski: 'awesomebar' - or whatever it's called - is similarly broken to firefox - the items are not readable15:47
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SpeedEviljacekowski: Is there a way of fullscreening it?15:57
jacekowskiwell, yes15:57
jacekowskibut you can't go back15:57
SpeedEvilcamkeyd?15:57
jacekowskinah, i'm planning to do it like it's done in microb15:57
MohammadAG-rfull doesn't seem to be system wide15:58
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SpeedEvilodd15:59
SpeedEvilfirst video I tried on youtube/html5 (I hate iceland) worked15:59
SpeedEvilnone of the rest do15:59
jacekowskiflash probably crashed16:01
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SpeedEvilhtml516:01
SpeedEvil+flashblock16:01
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SpeedEvilflash seems to crash a lot (more)16:01
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AppiahBluetooth-dun dont seam to wanna work if FM Transmitter is on.16:08
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AppiahIs that a bug? or just not possible?16:08
AppiahWonder if I should bugreport for it to be fixed or bugreport beacuse there's a warning missing16:09
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SpeedEvilIt should in principle work16:11
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SpeedEvilthe FM and bluetooth can work at the same time16:11
SpeedEvilthem not is a bug16:11
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MohammadAGtmo down?16:17
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wazdhello people16:31
n900-dkhello wazd16:31
Stskeepslo wazd16:31
wazdI'm working on a matrix animation for live wallpapers :)16:31
Stskeepscool16:32
wazdthat's gonna be awesome I hope :)16:32
RST38hehlo wazd, ukki16:32
ukkihey RST38h16:32
N900evil_wazd: xterm set to the right font16:32
n900-dkisn't it going to be anoying to have all that flickering on the wallpaper?16:32
wazdn900-dk: you'll see :)16:33
* n900-dk likes his wallpaper to be quiet16:33
wazdn900-dk: nice live wallpapoer for you then :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey4HWT7UkMs16:34
n900-dkheh, prefer a black screen instead16:35
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fralsanyone tried submitting an app to ovi store for maemo5? do you still need to pay up and have insurances and shit?16:44
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corecode_i have a semi-live wallpaper16:58
crashanddiefrals: most probably, yes16:58
corecode_displaying the panorama picture if my city16:58
corecode_how do you do live wallpapers?16:58
corecode_my problem is that if i update the picture and the phone is in portrait mode, the background will be chopped off16:59
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crashanddieoh ffs, there's the self-promoting asshole again17:01
corecode_me?17:03
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n900-dkWhy is it that a 'normal' phone doesn't have to change APN to send/receive MMS?17:05
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Termanan900-dk: It does. You (normally) have two seperate APNs for Data and MMS.17:06
n900-dkso the magic is just hidding for me?17:06
TermanaRephrase?17:07
crashanddiecorecode_: nope, not you, some guy on tmo17:07
n900-dkI mean - I dont see it like I do with fMMS17:07
crashanddiecorecode_: unless you're Lord Raiden, obviously17:07
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Termanan900-dk: I don't own an n900 and don't know the state of MMS. However a "normal" phone will store both a data and MMS APN. Maybe because fMMS has no core integration into the OS, it makes you change the data APN and reads that? I don't know17:09
MohammadAG_is this field valid? XB-Maemo-Display-Name17:09
Stskeepsno, linux cant handle two ip namespaces, so mms is difficult17:10
Stskeepsnewer kernels can17:10
n900-dkTermana: I guess you are right17:10
MohammadAG_Build a newer kernel from scratch with N900 support :P17:10
corecode_undervolting seems to work for me, but not with 800MHz17:10
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TermanaThis is basically whats causing your problem: http://bit.ly/c65fgR17:11
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corecode_the swing is not swinging?17:14
n900-dkheh, guess we cant blame everything on the ashclouds then17:14
* MohammadAG_ looks at what tmo has been reduced to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=5016517:15
Termanacorecode_: Theres a lot more than just the swing not swinging my friend :P17:15
corecode_no coffee?17:16
Termanacorecode_: I'm pretty sure you get what the picture means :P17:17
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Termanacorecode_: If not, feel free to take a look at this informative video on the subject - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfWDwLnQAjs17:18
n900-dkscary stuff..17:19
carloscesa@all Folks, does anybody know how to take a screenshot on N900?17:19
fralsctrl shift p17:20
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fralslol MohammadAG17:21
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MohammadAG_frals, any idea if Maemo-Display-Name: supports spaces?17:23
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fralsit should i think17:24
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fralsXB-Maemo-Display-Name btw, isnt it?17:24
MohammadAG_does it need quotes? ("")17:24
fralsno clue17:24
fralsfind an app in app manager that have spaces and fetch the deb and extract the control file? :D17:24
MohammadAG_or just apt-cache show it :P17:26
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MohammadAG_nope, no quotes17:27
MohammadAG_why didn't I think of that17:27
MohammadAG_thanks frals :)17:27
fralsapt-cache is probably easier yes :)17:27
fralsnp :)17:27
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zarexhttp://www.screwyouemily.in/?id=k35n9j1rlxrpfsqoop7byns4kc01b217:31
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carloscesafrals, CTRL+SHIFT+P works! thanks!17:34
MohammadAG_X-Fade, is it normal for a package that has just been uploaded/started to show Warning: This package does not have a proper description17:36
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fralsit does that until its been imported in the repos afaik17:37
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MohammadAG_frals, thanks again, thought I f'd up :)17:38
* MohammadAG_ switches to N90017:38
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MohammadAGlame quit msg, still haven't changed it :/17:39
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mtnbkrcarloscesa: there is also a neat little screenshot app that loads into the dock It's called "Load Applet" and it also shows CPU and memory usage17:41
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NuD1t7hahaha took a screenshot of desktop with sms-arrived-notice ... set it to background and give it back to gf ... ( her phone ) ... she taps like crazy on the background and starts to think the touchscreen is dead :P17:47
RST38hDid she damage/scratch here touchscreen in the process?17:47
mtnbkrNuD1t7: hah  just make sure the SMS that arrived was not from your "other" gf  ;)17:47
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NuD1t7RST38h no :P17:48
NuD1t7mtnbkr no it was her mum17:48
RST38hthen it does not count, no lasting effects =)17:48
NuD1t7damnit17:48
RST38hhohoho, looks like XFade finally fixed the repos17:49
mtnbkrNuD1t7: reminds me of a joke some co-workers played on one of the bosses (a really smart guy)   They set his Windows backgroud to a BSOD.  lol   and fun was had by all :)17:49
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fralstaking screen, setting as bg then hiding icons and taskbar is pretty funny to do at LANs17:53
NuD1t7hahah I once did to my boss a small joke but it blew out to bee big by mistake : a made a shortcut on his laptop with the IE icon and command to give the windowmessage "Stupid user detected! Refuse to work with idiots, I'll go sleep." and then there was the shutdown-command .... funny and not that big deal ... unless my boss hitted the shortcut in a big meeting and laptop connected to videoscreen17:53
NuD1t7sorry my english sucks ...17:53
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pupniknice17:54
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n900-dkNuD1t7: heh, did you get fired?17:54
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lcuki added a big red button to the testing version of the app, didnt tell any of hte team what it was, but displayed a confirmation dialog and everything and had a caption underneath it telling them not to press17:56
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lcukin the later reports it was the most pushed button on that round17:56
pupnik:)17:57
lcukhey pupnik17:58
fralsyou know you wouldve pushed it as well lcuk ;)17:58
lcukfrals, not at all17:58
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lcukkids party was tiring18:00
pupnikno volume control on em eh?18:01
frals6 files changed, 323 insertions(+), 144 deletions(-)18:02
frals\o/18:02
RST38hHalf the messaging protocols are down again18:02
RST38hWeird crap18:02
* RST38h puts on the robe and excorsizes the daemons18:02
fralsis there any decent scp gui around?18:02
* lcuk gives RST38h his spare wizard hat18:03
RST38hMidnight Commander?18:03
lcukfrals, winscp18:03
lcuk:D18:03
lcukwhich os are you wanting it from18:03
fralslcuck: for device18:03
fralsRST38h: prereably touchfriendly ;)18:04
RST38hit is touch friendly18:04
fralsbad latency on ssh atm ><18:04
RST38hMidnight Commander works very well with xterm mouse support, and Maemo xterm has that18:04
lcukscp IS ssh ?18:05
RST38hOk, IRC plugin still not fixed =(18:05
lcukisnt it18:05
fralslcuk: afaiu more or less18:05
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lcuki might go n laze in the garden and make some code notes18:07
carloscesamtnbkr, ok, I'm installing the Load Applet app18:08
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n900-dkIs it possible to turn this off, when subscribing to threads at tmo: "There may also be other replies, but you will not receive any more notifications until you visit the forum again"?18:14
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mtnbkrcarloscesa: let me know if you can get the "record movie" option to work... Mine records black screen only.   I think there was/is a bug for that but I have not had time to go back and look that up again.18:15
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jacekowskibesides, somebody said something about animated wallpapers18:21
jacekowskidoes anybody have any more details on that?18:22
kynkyuses battery18:22
jacekowskishouldn't18:23
jacekowskibut i need some links18:23
lcukjacekowski, anything running cpu will18:23
lcukbut yes live background support is there18:23
fralsenormous potential for cool stuff!18:23
lcuktmo has a thread18:23
cato`jacekowski: http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/18:23
mtnbkrjacekowski: http://bit.ly/8YnuSv18:23
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N900evil_nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn18:24
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N900evil_oops18:24
mtnbkrjacekowski: I got that in my twitter feed from   mwkn  the other day.   I have to say I am not too impressed with the video though18:24
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jacekowskihmm18:25
mtnbkrjacekowski: but only because I have seen "live wallpaper" on Nexus One and that looked really cool, and VERY smooth18:26
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jacekowskiwell, it's still early phase18:26
jacekowskilot of room for improvments18:26
lcukmtnbkr, baseline app18:26
lcukdifferent methods for things will appear18:26
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lcuksame for everything else, multiple ways to skin a cat18:27
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mtnbkrlcuk: yeah, I hear that...   Not trying to disparage any development or any devs.18:28
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jacekowskiit's hildon-desktop that's dealing with wallpapers in maemo?18:28
* lcuk thinks vlad and wazds streetviews will be cool18:28
lcukespecially when they add real weather i nit18:28
* slonopotamus pokes X-Fade 18:29
slonopotamusX-Fade: reupload for autocleaned version doesn't work: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=990218:31
povbotBug 9902: Autocleaner purged _all_ versions of sflphone-client-gnome from extras-devel18:31
slonopotamussaying 'there's a newer version' when repo has _none_ is kinda... broken.18:33
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jacekowskimtnbkr: cpu in n900 is more than enough to handle something like that18:33
tmr1can anybody check whats my n800 available from outside? tmr.dyndns.org18:34
tmr1* tmr.dyndns.org/live18:35
RST38htmr: of course not18:35
wazdhttp://i023.radikal.ru/1004/93/64e10b626800.png <- matrix LW in progress :)18:36
Appiahtmr1: it works18:36
tmr1sad18:36
RST38htmr: Your record is pointing to 192.168.0.105 which is your local address18:36
RST38hOh, wait, it resolved somehow =)18:36
korhojoatmr1: there is still something that points to 192.168.0.10518:36
RST38hwazd: ...and the same in cyrillics ;)18:36
wazdRST38h: heard bout Live Wallpapers? :)18:37
RST38hwazd: Yea, but I am not quite amused about them - too much power drain =(18:37
wazdRST38h: well, they work only when you're looking at them :)18:37
wazdRST38h: ofcourse they'll drain a bit more than jpg file :D18:38
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wazdRST38h: I'm working on the matrix "text rain" animation for them :)18:39
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jacekowskiwarp10: i was thinking about same thing18:39
RST38hwazd: is it a bunch of jpegs?18:39
wazdRST38h: nope, ofcourse not, am I mad? :D18:39
n900-dktmr1: What do you want to know from the status2k page?18:39
RST38hwazd: I have been thinking of implementing the eSheep on top of that18:40
wazdRST38h: a bit like flash animation, keyframes and stuff18:40
RST38hah18:40
tmr1n900-dk, nothing, just demo18:40
RST38hwazd: Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESheep18:40
RST38hwazd: any inspiration? =)18:41
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tmr1n900-dk: n800 running debian apache mysql php, demo18:41
wazdRST38h: oh, I've used it long ago :D18:41
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wazdRST38h: pretty cute :)18:41
n900-dktmr1: nice :)18:42
Triztsad that -rootwin option on mplayer don't work on the n900, that would make the coolest animated backgrounds18:42
RST38hwazd: Get the original program and install it on Windows18:42
jacekowskii'm not sure if using opengl for these live wallpapers is good idea18:42
RST38hwazd: It is freaking hilarious18:42
jacekowskiin terms of power consumption18:42
wazdRST38h: not sure that original will run under w7 :)18:42
RST38hwazd: Try, it won't kill you. A moment.18:42
jacekowski http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESheep18:43
jacekowskii like that idea as well18:43
RST38hwazd: http://www.brothersoft.com/scmpoo-download-71745.html18:43
wazdRST38h: yeah, especially w7 x64 :)18:43
jacekowskibut after i make chrome usable i'll make matrix wallpaper18:43
RST38hwazd: Or here: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/download/sheepy18:43
RST38hwazd: Urgh. May actually run.18:44
javispedromoo RST38h18:44
javispedroand everybody :)18:44
jacekowski14:22 [freenode] SpeedEvil [~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil] requested CTCP PING from jacekowski: 127150695618:44
wazdRST38h: nope, they all want 32 bit18:44
wazdjavispedro: heya18:44
wazdjavispedro: http://i023.radikal.ru/1004/93/64e10b626800.png18:44
RST38hwazd: A kinda suspect that scmpoo is actually 32bit now18:45
RST38hwazd: check them18:45
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: what do you need?18:45
javispedrowazd: hehe, as live wallpaper?18:45
wazdjavispedro: yep18:45
* RST38h kills an iPhone user for javispedro18:45
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jacekowski1st somebody would have to make it work nicely18:46
* javispedro blends the resulting iPhone into iPhone gas and releases it into the atmosphere, resulting in more canceled flights18:46
RST38hIs that poisonous?18:46
korhojoa"iphone dust, don't breathe this!"18:47
jacekowskino18:47
jacekowskiit's18:47
korhojoaDELISHUS18:47
jacekowskiiSmoke, don't breathe this18:47
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korhojoaoh. damn.18:47
jacekowskiyou failed18:47
korhojoaeh. haven't seen those that many times18:47
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korhojoawhat did he say when he blended the ipad?18:48
javispedrosame iirc18:48
korhojoawhat was funny though was that the display kept working for quite a long time after he started bashing it to bits18:48
jacekowskiYou have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you.18:48
korhojoaonly after that he bent it to shit did it stop working18:48
javispedrokorhojoa: the touch screen went crazy though18:48
korhojoayeah18:48
korhojoaI lol'd.18:48
jacekowskikorhojoa: well, there is not a lot of elektronics into it18:49
jacekowskikorhojoa: electronics*18:49
javispedrojust explosive pletibonium18:49
korhojoaappelonium18:49
korhojoait only exists in the RDF18:49
javispedrolol.18:51
javispedromeego.com has been invaded by shoemaker spam18:51
javispedrohttp://meego.com/community/events/2010/linux-foundation-collaboration-summit see the comments18:52
korhojoa"cheep Ugg bOATS!1"18:52
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javispedro"Thank you for the info and for the invitation. I was almost barefoot when I read this upcoming events of yours!!"18:53
korhojoaWe need more colour.18:54
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Xisdibikwhat is this colour you speak of korhojoa18:56
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jacekowskicolour is used only in UK?18:58
jacekowskior there are any other countries that use colour?18:59
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lcuk3.5gb over wifi19:05
lcukgulp19:05
javispedroover 3G -- end of the world.19:05
jacekowski15g over 3g19:06
jacekowskiin a week19:06
lcuki just need to backup my /home/user fully :)19:06
lcukmmm right click properties gave 3.5gb19:06
lcuknow the copy dialog says 10g19:07
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lcuki wonder: can i fiddle with the mounting for usb support to give rootfs access so i can copy faster under linux19:09
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SpeedEviljacekowski: My network connection I though had fallen over, so I pinged you to confirm it. It seems it had not.19:13
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luke-jrjacekowski: 'colour' is everywhere except USA19:14
luke-jrincluding Canada I think19:14
luke-jrbasically, USAians like to misspell it so much they made it an official typo19:14
luke-jr:p19:14
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b0unc3hey guys, is there any way to get the powerkey press signal ?19:24
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tmr1b0unc3: cat /dev/input/event219:28
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pupnikjavispedro: re overclocking... what about just briefly spiking to higher mhz when, for e.g. emulation is slowed by some system process.  might be an effective trick to reduce jittery/missed frames19:30
javispedrochanging freq takes cycles19:30
javispedrounless you can somehow predict when it's going to jitter...19:30
pupnikah so it cannot be so finegrained19:30
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pupnikusually if something slows down it hits for a few hundreds of m sec19:31
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javispedroah19:32
javispedrowell when it jitters here it's usually modest being launch and checking mail19:32
javispedrowhich is more of an io thing than cpu19:32
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b0unc3tmr1, it doesn't work19:35
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pupniknobody have a sdk for n900 yet?19:38
MohammadAG_err19:39
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pupniki thought lcuk would by now :)19:39
MohammadAG_most developers have an sdk19:39
javispedrofor on-device dev19:39
MohammadAG_oh19:39
tmr1b0unc3: n8x0?19:39
javispedropupnik: theoretically, "cloning" (like in the older days) the system to an sd card, adding sdk and tools repo to it should work.19:40
javispedrothen chroot.19:40
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Nils^hi, anyone in here who develops apps for maemo5 (n900) with Archlinux?19:41
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b0unc3tmr1, N90019:41
MohammadAG_javispedro, or easy debian19:41
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javispedroMohammadAG: you'd have to uninstall debian and install maemo inside the chroot. not funny...19:42
MohammadAG_huh19:42
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pupnikjavispedro: maybe the best way to share that would be a wiki containing script(s)19:42
MohammadAG_javispedro, just install the SDK like you would on a PC19:42
MohammadAG_inside easy debian19:42
javispedroMohammadAG: the SDK requires x8619:43
MohammadAG_actually, on second thought, that would mean double chroots19:43
MohammadAG_javispedro, it can be force installed19:43
javispedroMohammadAG: there's a reason for that requeriment. binaries are x86.19:43
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MohammadAG_not on the armel target19:43
javispedroyes19:43
javispedrocompilers, debian tools, etc.19:44
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javispedrothe SDK is much more than a chroot -- so when you are under a real armel platform, it's a bit of a waste of time trying to install the desktop SDK -- either get the rootstraps only, or clone the system to bootstrap it.19:45
BluesLeedo you know whic package provides pngenc?19:45
RST38hMohammadAG: It is a mix of armel and x86 binaries afaik19:46
RST38hIf you are using the "host tools" option, it is only the x86 binaries19:46
RST38h(and in fact, "host tools" option covers most real life scenarios)19:47
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PhonicUKhey all19:47
MohammadAGremembered the symlinks in /scratchbox19:47
javispedroRST38h: this reminds me, did you try the stuff I sent you on sb2? >:)19:47
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MohammadAGgot it, SDK won't install that easily :)19:47
PhonicUKi wish the SDK wasn't such a pain in the ass to use :\19:48
RST38hjavispedro: Nope. I am afraid to upgrade sb2 really19:48
javispedroah, ok.19:48
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javispedroyes, can understand.19:48
RST38hjavispedro: And have not done any Maemo work in weeks (just got back to improving some maemo code yesterday)19:49
javispedroI see they're chastising you already for that in tmo. I wonder when they'll start chastising me now that I've not touched drnok for weeks :P19:49
RST38hjavispedro: On the positive side, EMULib-based internal config menus are all touch/mouse sensitive now19:49
RST38hjavispedro: Well, some shmuck posted a condescending complaint to the EMUL8 group a few days ago (along the "work harder and be my hero" lines), I gave him the standard answer (you can guess which one)19:50
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javispedroyeah, he quoted it.19:51
RST38hjavispedro: But, really, I suspect we are both off the hook now, as they have moved to PSP emus. It is always the latest hw for these guys, no matter how shitty its emulation runs19:51
pupnik"you can't improve perfection"19:52
pupniksoo true RST38h19:52
RST38hpupnik: naah, two words shorter.19:52
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pupnikheheh19:52
* GAN900 needs to braindump somewhere before he forgets everything.19:53
javispedrohere!19:53
* RST38h also made unused screen corners fast-forward the emulation now19:53
GAN900javispedro, OK.19:53
GAN900javispedro sucks for not coming.19:53
javispedrocat > /dev/null <<<EOF19:53
GAN900:P19:53
RST38hi.e. stuff like START/SELECT, when not used by the emulated platform, does fast-forward19:53
javispedro;)19:53
SummeliI should also get the N900, to test my Qt emulation UIs with19:55
StskeepsGAN900: irc is a good place to braindump, logged and all19:55
PhonicUKanyone here got Qt Creator 2.0 alpha to play nice with their N900?19:55
lcukRST38h, with some sort of ux indicator?19:55
Summelithe gpsp is running pretty well even on symbian at the moment19:55
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* lcuk dislikes random ux stuff that leaves you randomly grasping and touching things19:56
GAN900Somebody want to start astroturfing for social news on MeeGo.com?19:56
javispedroGAN900: tbh yes, I hope to cover it by watching all the avail video :)19:56
RST38hlcuk: well they are labelled FFWD now19:56
RST38hGAN: are there any social meego news?19:57
lcukRST38h, cool19:57
GAN900RST38h, i.e., Planet + rating from maemo.org19:57
lcukwhatever they are as long as they are ui elements that you dont scratch at19:57
StskeepsGAN900: so after talking to people, how screwed are we regarding meego and openness? :P19:58
RST38hGAN: Planet would be nice19:58
RST38hGAN: I kinda doubt ratings make sense yet19:58
* GAN900 needs to do a survey of other bug tracker URLs for ammo for the bugs/bugzilla thing.19:58
GAN900Stskeeps, honestly?19:58
javispedroso screwed we might need to buy Palm to get some more openness!19:58
* RST38h really hopes Palm finally dies this time19:58
GAN900Stskeeps, it feels a lot like Maemo has felt for 5 years. :/19:58
GAN900"Real soon now"19:59
RST38hWith their chief sw honcho gone, I may just get my wish...19:59
GAN900lbt, ping!19:59
StskeepsGAN900: lovely19:59
RST38hMaybe Samsung buys Palm and they both die in the embrace of death?19:59
GAN900Stskeeps, except with more talk about how open the project is. . . .19:59
Robot101GAN900: the difference is, for it to be a success with more than just intel and nokia they /have/ to open it19:59
RST38hGAN: Problem is, talk is cheap19:59
javispedroRST38h: much like what happened when access bought psrc =)19:59
Robot101for the linux foundation's involvement to be credible and it to be a neutral project20:00
javispedroaccess was a prosperous browser maker back then (remember netfront?) :)20:00
RST38hGAN: On the other hand, I fully believe (as a private person) that Intel does not have any interest withholding any of Meego sources20:00
pupniki would like to see samsung hook up with "us" more20:00
RST38hGAN: Mainly because Intel is a hw company, for them Meego is a tool to sell more Atoms20:00
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lbthey GAN90020:01
RST38hjavispedro: Yea, I suffered that one20:01
GAN900The ConMan, oFono, BlueZ talk was interesting20:01
SpeedEvils/ibmpc/phones/ s/dos/meego/20:01
Robot101ofono is gpl, you can't /have/ a closed cellular plugin :)20:02
RST38hpupnik: you can just as well hook up with Martians. Samsung is completely different culture.20:02
GAN900grar20:02
* GAN900 dropped at "Maybe Samsung buys Palm ..."20:02
Robot101and ofono already works on N9pp20:02
GAN900The ConMan, oFono, BlueZ talk was interesting20:02
ToJa92Does anyone know if there are any LAMP packages available? Or a guide to install apache, mysql, php and so on manually?20:02
Robot101lolfntypo20:02
ToJa92Also a decent notepad with PHP highlighting would be great20:03
GAN900Robot101, you getting a flight?20:03
VeggenIntel have a history of providing good open specs and drivers.20:03
Veggenintel chipsets have been quite well supported in Linux.20:03
Robot101GAN900: is tomorrow but if it doesn't go, I've got one booked to montreal instead20:03
Robot101GAN900: we've got an office there and the timezone works better for me20:04
* n900-dk guess someone should make assproof planes..20:04
GAN900Robot101, ah20:04
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pupniki just figured that typo out20:04
Robot101gotta get the hotel to do a bunch of laundry for me though :)20:04
GAN900Stskeeps, lbt wont be happy about the arch answer.20:04
lcukplenty of flights from america to iceland20:05
javispedropupnik: the n9pp is the n900+1, clearly ;)20:05
Veggenlcuk: ...but not further?20:05
lcuknot on your nelly20:05
Veggenash has been blowing eastwards from Iceland, yes.20:05
lbtGAN900: what arch answer?20:05
Robot101lcuk: yeah but think about, iceland will be the last place you'll be able to fly to europe from :P20:05
lcukindeed rob20:06
pupnikjavispedro: "assproof planes"  is not easy to parse20:06
lcukbut you can swim at least :D20:06
GAN900lbt, wont be open until 1.2, apparently20:06
lbtthe OBS ?20:06
javispedropupnik: ah, _that_ typo :(20:06
GAN900lbt, workgroup at the November Summit seems to be the opening point.20:06
GAN900lbt, arch mailing list20:06
n900-dkwoops..  s/assproof/ashproof :D20:07
GAN900That Imad mentioned being open.20:07
GAN900lbt, which isn't anything of the sort, apparently.20:07
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lbtheh20:07
lcukwhat if someone set up a public obs before20:07
lcukusing the source thats there now20:07
GAN900lbt, but, Arjan said any questions should go to MeeGo-dev and they'd be more than happy to explain any descisions.20:08
lcukand started using it20:08
SpeedEvilTrue open modem would be so nice. For example, being able to tweak actual 3g/2g switching points20:08
lbtGAN900: I'm not 100% sure - are we talking OBS or arch mailing list?20:08
SpeedEvilnever happen of course20:08
GAN900lbt, public OBS was more of a "dunno"20:08
SpeedEviltoo much bad shit possible20:08
lbtOK.20:08
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GAN900lbt, arch mailing list.20:08
GAN900lbt, thus, "arch ... arch ... arch" :P20:08
dnearyStuck in SFO until the middle of next week, apparently20:09
lbtfor me, that's not so important - more a Stskeeps thing20:09
lbt:)20:09
GAN900dneary, lucky you!20:09
dnearyGAN900, You made it home?20:09
Robot101dneary: :(20:09
lbtlcuk: I was hoping to meet tero on tuesday to discuss20:09
GAN900dneary, I'm doing touristy things with my dad until Monday.20:09
lbtwill have to hold back now20:09
dnearyRobot101, How bout you? You managed to get out?20:09
lcuklbt still meet him20:09
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GAN900dneary, want to join us for a Segway tour in SF Sunday? ;)20:09
Robot101dneary: my flight is tomorrow, but... I booked one to montreal20:09
lbtwe can irc/jabber ... but it's not quite the same20:10
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dnearyGAN900, Maybe...20:10
Robot101dneary: don't hold out much hope20:10
dnearyNeed to get flights rebooked first20:10
lcukhttp://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/04/15/world/europe/airport-closings-graphic.html20:10
dnearyRobot101, My wife just told me that the airport closure has been extended to Monday 14h at earliest20:10
GAN900dneary, I've got a block of time to kill on Monday morning before my flight at 14:00, so we can do something then if you're still stuck.20:10
dneary(reported on French lunchtime news a few hours ago)20:10
n900-dkand it sounds like the vulcano is still very active20:10
lbtlcuk: that seems out of date20:11
Robot101dneary: it varies depending on airport, the uk ones are reporting shorter closures20:11
GAN900Yeesh, 11 software updates.20:11
lbtAll BA flights cancelled tomorrow20:11
lcukUPDATED April 17, 6:36 AM ET20:11
dnearyGAN900, I am going down to Stanford today - hopefully I'll run into jrb from Red Hat too - but I'd like to come back up to the city on Sunday - depends if the airline takes a hotel room or not for me20:11
Robot101n900-dk: the ash is apparently not being thrown so high now20:12
Robot101n900-dk: so it's not getting worse20:12
nid0uk airports are still closed till tomorrow20:12
Robot101its just the cloud that's there that's a problem20:12
nid0at the moment, its 7am20:12
dnearyRobot101, Why would UK airports (closer to Iceland) open before French ones?20:12
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lbtdneary: the french are wusses20:12
lcukdneary, dispersal patterns20:12
n900-dkRobot101: the news here just said, that it is still the same and not getting better20:13
Robot101dneary: its not new ash, it's the cloud that's there and moving south/east20:13
pupniki do not see a cloud here20:13
javispedrowell, come to madrid >:)20:13
GAN900pupnik, you can't20:13
javispedro(cause from what I gather some bcn flights have already been canceled)20:13
lcukmmmmmm bcn20:13
Robot101n900-dk: directly contradicts article I just read on the guardian, that says ash is being thrown to 3 miles not 8 so isn't contributing to the cloud currently20:14
pupnikif visibility is clear, i do not see why ban flights here20:14
SpeedEvilIt's quite startling on the ground - http://www.mauve.plus.com/ash.jpg20:14
SpeedEvilpupnik: it's not a visibility thing.20:14
nid0pupnik - visibility has nothing to do with it20:14
SpeedEvilpupnik: it's a sandblasting engines with unknown results thing20:14
nid0the ash is like 7 miles up, and its just dust, you cant see it20:14
lcukpupnik, because flying at 400mph through a cloud of dust and small stones has this kind of cumulative effect20:14
GAN900pupnik, ash is still there.20:14
n900-dkRobot101: it is also new ash, there is still a lot of ash comming out20:14
nid0what it does do is get sucked into engines, turn into glass, and fuck them up20:14
lcukthink of trusting your desktop computer fan to fly you over an ocean20:14
n900-dkmaybe the wind will change, some day..20:15
pupnikif there isnt enough to be visible, not enough to damage engine, imo20:15
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lcukpupnik, you are looking for fine particles 20thousand foot in the air20:16
Stskeepsyou should see the finnish f17s then20:16
lcuksure its not enough to block out the sun where you are20:16
nid0ah how stupid of us, every air regulatory agency in europe knows worse than you20:16
nid0its so obvious!20:16
* SpeedEvil places a small quantity of anthrax in pupniks room.20:16
javispedrodon't worry! since a vulcano covering europe in ash is the first part of 2012, we're gonna all die before you can get back to europe.20:16
javispedroand they've told me that travel tickets are cheap in the afterlife20:17
pupniki dont see the airlines saying "we dont want to fly"20:17
Robot101javispedro: I actually had a dream about a tidal wave :(20:17
Stskeepsyes, we do :P20:17
javispedroaha, ideal place for the meego summit: iceland!20:17
pupniknid0: and yes, regulatory agencies do amazingly stupid things all the time20:18
b-manjavispedro: rofl20:18
dnearyRobot101, I'm going down to Palo Alto today, if you're still here Sunday give me a ring?20:18
GAN900pupnik, how many tons of air does a turbofan engine suck through it over 2,000 miles?20:18
SpeedEvilGAN900: about 10020:19
dnearyRobot101, Do you have my number? +33 6 77 01 92 1320:19
PhonicUKWOOO hello world works ^_^20:20
pupnikGAN900: shirtsleeve math isnt going to give us a number for how many mtbf hours an engine has going through x percent ash20:20
Robot101dneary: I've got a montreal flight booked for sun if my lhr one doesn't make it20:20
dnearypupnik, Because the ash that you can't see turns into glass in the jet engines and the planes fall out of the sky :)20:20
SpeedEvilGAN900: actually no - more than that for high-bypass engines I suppose20:20
GAN900pupnik, and they all need complete overhauls if not.20:20
dnearyRobot101, Making lemonade? :)20:20
GAN900SpeedEvil, turbofan, not jet. ;)20:21
Robot101dneary: yeah, there's an office there and its a better timezone for me20:21
dnearyLucky you have a subsidiary, I guess20:22
lcukits a shame we havent finished latest model planes, we could have used ramjets in the outer atmosphere to avoid most of the cloud and close the manifold on re-entry20:22
lcukand it would get people back and forward from us in a couple of hours20:22
pupnikdneary: the documented cases of planes losing engines were when they went straight through dense clouds of ash20:22
javispedroand the reason we haven't finished latest model planes is that there haven't been enough "disasters" of this kind.20:23
RST38hlcuk: Has 3rd episode of DrWho aired?20:23
lcukthis isnt a disaster20:23
javispedronote the quotes ;)20:23
lcukits not cost lives20:23
lcukyup20:23
lcukvery true tho20:23
Robot101dneary: well you could always just go hang out in boston or something too :)20:23
dnearyRobot101, Do you know what compensation you're getting?20:24
dnearyOr is it "Suck it up"?20:24
ShadowJKthere was that jumbojet that flew through volcanic ash. All 4 engines stopped20:24
lcukShadowJK, eep20:24
ShadowJK"Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped. We are doing our damnedest to get them under control. I trust you are not in too much distress." the captain announced :)20:24
dnearyTherte is supposed to be hotel rooms, meals & compensation for cancelled flights20:25
SpeedEvilGAN900: hmm. 747 - ~150 tons of fuel - so ~600 tons of air per engine stochiometrically - so ~3000 or so per engine  I guess at a bypass of 5:120:25
* javispedro flies without engines all the time in flight sim :) , but he also hasn't managed to land :(20:25
ShadowJKhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_920:25
* RST38h would not mind getting stuck in Boston20:25
RST38hActually, THAT happened before.20:25
RST38hOh well.20:25
* ShadowJK has been practicing flying helicopter without engine in flightgear flightsim :-)20:26
javispedroheh.20:26
lcukwithout an engine or turning the one you have off in midair20:26
lcukthere is a distinct difference ;)20:26
GAN900javispedro, heavies don't glide well. ;)20:26
* MohammadAG freaking hates scratchbox sometimes20:26
MohammadAGGit's broken in it20:26
GAN900Stopped turbofans have a lot of drag.20:26
Stskeepsdneary: you were at the lf collab summit too?20:26
ShadowJKI can pretty reliably not-crash from engine failure above 500ft at any airspeed now :D20:26
dnearyStskeeps, yeah20:27
dnearyStskeeps, I wanted to be there for GNOME, and Meego20:27
javispedroMohammadAG: mount --bind a dir inside scratchbox and use that as your projects dir; use external git and basically only do dpkg-buildpackage inside sbox.20:27
Stskeepsdneary: good, even though it probably sucks to be stuck :P20:27
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Stskeepswhat is really annoying is the fact you don't know anything 12 hours ahead20:28
dnearyStskeeps, I wouldn't mind if I hadn't spent half an hour on hold20:28
lcukMohammadAG, ? git works in sb20:28
lcuktheres a git toolkit thingy20:28
dnearyRather, an hour20:28
MohammadAGjavispedro, I said Git was broken in it, which means it worked outside of sb :)20:28
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dnearyI was going to go for a run this mornin20:28
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MohammadAGlcuk, it just gets to 7% and cuts the connection20:28
javispedroMohammadAG: that's why I suggest you use external git...20:28
lcukis that a different problem?20:28
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* lcuk has no real issues with git 20:29
javispedroI never experience that either...20:29
MohammadAGjavispedro, which I did before you suggested :)20:29
Robot101dneary: not bothered trying to contact the airlines atm, just booked my plan B20:29
dnearyAh20:29
dnearyGood call20:29
Robot101dneary: can refund or claim on insurance I expect20:29
pupniki find it amusing that obviously intelligent people can'yt see the difference between flying into a dark cloud of volcanic ash, and flying in clear blue sky hundreds of km away.  immediately the reaction is "oh it is the government!  surely they know what they are doing!"20:29
lcukon a nice note about the #ashtag20:30
lcukblue skies have never looked prettier20:30
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lcukno artificial lines20:30
pupnikyeah i like20:31
RST38hpupnik: Well, generally, pilots do know what they are doing20:31
Stskeepspupnik: http://bit.ly/bGHqN0 - take a look at how badly the ash is in finland and what it does to engines.20:31
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Stskeepsin finland, which is a fair stretch from the volcano.20:31
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Stskeepsthey aren't really kidding with this stuff :P20:32
javispedroif this is the case, expect MONTHS until anybody flies again20:32
Robot101haha... "You've heard about Gordon Brown? When he heard about Iceland he wanted cash, but there's no 'c' in the Icelandic language, so we gave him ash."20:32
lcukashcloud: serious business20:32
javispedroit's not like they're going to disappear in an afternoon20:33
lcuklol Robot10120:33
SpeedEviljavispedro: naah - it gets blown away and dispersed in a week or two at most if it stops20:33
Stskeepsjavispedro: it would be wise to buy stock in teleconferencing companies20:33
StskeepsSpeedEvil: -if it stops- :P20:33
Stskeepslast time it was 2 yeas20:33
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Stskeepsyears20:33
dneary40 minutes on hold, line just went dead20:33
dnearySucks20:34
lcukprop planes flying lower and slower20:34
lcukwipe them off at each airport20:34
lcukbish bash bosh20:34
dnearypupnik, If you were an experienced pilot I might agree20:34
* PhonicUK jumps up and down, waving his arms in the air20:34
Stskeepslcuk: i did wonder why not use prop planes and fly lower20:34
SpeedEvillcuk: as long as the air filter doesn't clog.20:34
dnearypupnik, Or responsible for flight safety & air traffic control20:34
SpeedEvillcuk: If it does - oops.20:34
RST38hStskeeps: few left, lower capacity, pricier to operate20:35
ShadowJKhow low does the ash fly?20:35
lcukStskeeps, there are some emergency flights out of the closed airports20:35
RST38hShadowJK: 10km or so, afaik20:35
SpeedEvilAlso - large jets _can_ fly just fine at 5km20:35
RST38hShadowJK: here at least20:35
lcukShadowJK, it does not fly20:35
lcukits on my car!20:35
yabbaYeah, our lovable railroad company VR is very happy, their tickets in one way costs more than two way fligh and I assume that if it takes 2 years... Thank god I own a car :p20:35
SpeedEvilThey are much slower, and not as economic though20:35
lcukits falling with style20:36
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, the fuel consumption is a bit nasty though :)20:36
lcukyeah yabba20:36
pupnikif the contention is: "volcanic ash at concentrations invisible to the unaided eye cause significant safety problems", show it20:36
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lcukpupnik, buy a plane and fly20:36
javispedrooverclock the plane!20:36
lcukthe groundings are not official govt blocks afaik, its decisions amongst companies for safety reasons20:36
RST38hpupnik: google for photos of jet engines damaged by the ash?20:36
b-manjavispedro: how would you do that? xD20:36
lcukpupnik, easiest thing: just wait for the dust to settle20:37
lcukthis whole thing will blow over in a few days20:37
lcukliterally20:37
Stskeepspupnik: from the plane that tried it 'Despite the weather radar showing clear skies,'20:37
pupnikRST38h: that is just an economic cost which travellers can choose to bear, or not.20:37
RST38hOn the other hand, any decent world conspiracy (tm) concerned with jet passengers seeing their City in the Sky would surely be able to fake those photos...20:37
ShadowJKsurely conspiracy theorists should be happy the chemtrail program has been suspended20:38
RST38hYou do know that the volcano eruption is nothing more than a smokescreen hiding the evil plot to build a SKY CITY and only let the sunlight pass when you pay monthly rent to the Man?20:38
javispedroclearly.20:39
StskeepsRST38h: jesus is above the skies, let us not send up planes so people can see he's there!20:39
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RST38hStskeeps: He is naked and we can't let people see his testicles!20:39
* Trizt don't like when he pees on people20:40
RST38hTrizt: you like his droppings better?20:41
javispedrohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:747-ba9.png aha, simulated photos for your convenience! (or for the news broadcasters audience numbers convenience!)20:41
TriztRST38h; No, I just wish he went back to Pluto20:42
RST38hjavispedro: Notice the top secret field shielding being tested by British Scientists (tm)20:42
pupnikprogrammers are at their funniest when talking science20:44
javispedroRST38h: ash-shielding technology! conspiracy!20:45
dnearyA week20:46
dnearyRobot101, I'm here till next Saturday20:46
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javispedrohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:747-ba9.png#filehistory You gotta love the previous attempts.20:50
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Stskeepsthe first one is an evil evil plane20:51
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* javispedro envisions a plane with eyes on fire and torches on the engines.... lemme fill this business plan.20:52
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Stskeepsjavispedro: an airline for satanists20:53
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pupnikjust goes to show how easily people will swallow nonsense20:54
* RST38h wonders if the burnt smell in the air is due to icelandic ash or the usual20:55
joejoehi, i'we noticed that wholeday event is in calendar applet visible also next day after the event. is it known bug?20:55
javispedro... or the usual modern laptop burning?20:56
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RST38hlaptop is behaving itself lately20:56
RST38hprobably knows that it is gonna be replaced soon =(20:56
* javispedro watches his laptop "remains" on the shelf and wonders when I'll get a new one.20:57
SpeedEvil'G-BDXH also entered the Guinness Book of Records as the  longest glide in a non-purpose-built aircraft, ' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_920:58
SpeedEvilnot I guess a record you try for. :)20:58
pupnikanyone gotten their hands on a lenovo x100e yet?  might be worth the price imo21:00
lcukif you think its bad now, imagine how many cpu fans are going to be clogged by volcano dust21:00
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* yabba hears some evil noise from laptop already21:02
SpeedEvilpupnik: #thinkpad21:02
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RST38hForget the fans, think of the lung cancer21:04
javispedronaturally caused lung cancer => mindbreaker21:04
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Robot101dneary: ouch, that's the next flight they could give you?21:05
dnearyYeah21:05
RST38hjavispedro: for the best marketability, it has to be caused by organic entities. Ash does not qualify21:06
dnearyYou might have done the right thing reserving back-ups21:06
dnearyRobot101, The AF person said that hotels & compensation would not be paid unless they were made to - because it's not the airline's fault21:06
Robot101yeah, something of a force majeure21:07
Robot101travel insurance jobbie methinks21:07
RST38hdneary: yea, airlines really like saying that nowadays21:07
RST38hact of god21:07
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N900evil_a lot of sheep died last eruption21:08
N900evil_sheep do nolt cope well with flouride from ash in their diet21:08
sheepbatawww...21:08
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dnearySucks21:10
dnearyI'm debating whether to move hotels for the week, stay in the city or go to Palo Alto/Mountain View, work, do a bit o' tourism, etc21:10
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LiraNunassvb, there?21:19
lcuksheepbat, N900evil_ on the upside, icelanders appreciate a good woolen jumper21:19
HektoRhi guys... how can i open terminal windows in nokia n810 ??21:20
StskeepsHektoR: there's a 'x-terminal' icon21:20
ssvbLiraNuna: yep21:20
pupnikHektoR: click terminal top menu, "new"21:20
LiraNunassvb, can you explain how the vbtl instruction work?21:21
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* noobmonk3y blinks21:21
LiraNunais it for 64bit registers only?21:21
HektoRStskeeps: there is nothing like this :(21:23
StskeepsHektoR: that's kinda odd, it's under Utilities21:23
StskeepsHektoR: reflash your device if it's not there21:24
ssvbLiraNuna: yes, the destination register is 64-bit, but it can lookup for bytes in a set of four 64-bit source registers, and another 64-bit register is used as index21:24
LiraNunassvb, so I need 2 loopups for a float32x421:24
HektoRStskeeps: i just bought this device... and can you give some manual links ?21:25
noobmonk3ylol21:25
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ssvbLiraNuna: yes, generally if you can avoid vtbl instruction then it is better to do it21:25
LiraNunaare they slow?21:26
StskeepsHektoR:21:26
Stskeeps~flashing21:26
infobot[flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware21:26
noobmonk3yHektoR, # Click the four-blocks icon and choose "Utilities".21:26
noobmonk3y# Scroll to the bottom of the list and select "Xterm".21:26
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noobmonk3yoh , thought he just needed xterm lol21:26
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PhonicUKhow can i play an mp3 from the command line?21:27
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MohammadAGplay-sound something.mp321:28
MohammadAGI think21:28
HektoRnoobmonk3y: yes but there is now xterm21:28
noobmonk3yoh21:28
noobmonk3ywell you got me stumped :P21:28
PhonicUKca_context_play_full (vol -0.000000): File or data corrupt21:28
* noobmonk3y has never seen an N81021:28
PhonicUKnope that didn't wor21:28
PhonicUK*work21:28
HektoR:D21:28
ssvbLiraNuna: each one of them takes 2 or 3 cycles (depending on the size of register list to lookup), cycle timing information is available in cortex-a8 trm21:28
LiraNunawhere's that?21:29
LiraNunaoh, oh, "TRM"21:29
supertrampguys - what are best parameters for ext3 fs on mmc card?21:31
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supertrampI'd like to have journal and use microsd card - and don't know what ext3 params are needed for perf & stability21:32
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supertrampso far I disabled: noatime,nodirtime ...21:32
ssvbLiraNuna: what kind of shuffle operation do you need? many of them can be typically done in some other way21:33
LiraNunassvb, like SSE's21:33
LiraNunaI want to move 4 floats around21:34
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LiraNunaincluding duplication21:34
ssvbLiraNuna: according to some regular pattern, or totally random?21:34
LiraNunatotally random21:34
HektoRStskeeps: do i need internet connection on device for flashing ?21:34
LiraNunaI'm porting over my SSE math library to NEON21:34
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LiraNunassvb, my math library supports .xxyz = .wwzz and other wicked stuff21:35
StskeepsHektoR: no21:35
ssvbLiraNuna: one the other hand, vtbl can dual issue with ALU instructions, so with clever scheduling you can compensate its slowness21:36
LiraNunassvb, usually I add/mul after a shuffle21:37
LiraNunassvb, cross product is a very fine example of it21:38
ssvbLiraNuna: if this add/mul does not use the result of this shuffle, then they can dual issue happily21:38
LiraNunaoh I see21:38
LiraNunassvb, http://pastie.org/private/z2suqbd83ghexdbzfcrdw21:39
LiraNuna"vec4" is my SSE wrapper class21:39
LiraNunathey are all floats21:39
LiraNuna(float32x4_t in neon intrinsics)21:40
ssvbLiraNuna: such operation alone usually does not perform good, it is too small to be vectorized21:40
ssvbLiraNuna: processing multiple vectors in parrallel is much better, if this can be done of course21:41
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LiraNunassvb, surely it's faster than non-parallel version21:43
ssvbLiraNuna: yes, but most likely still up to several times slower than properly optimized version21:44
LiraNunaI understand that21:45
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Robot101pupnik: looks like they're testing - 19:43 <+Calamarain> tc: We won't be back in time for that21:57
Robot10119:43 <+Calamarain> But something in the evening is feasible21:57
Robot10119:44 <+Calamarain> We're right on the edge - we can see Wales from here21:57
Robot10119:54 <+tc> http://newsolio.com/klm705-test-flight-over-europe-to-test-ash-from-iceland-volcano,9436 wonder if they're getting paid21:57
Robot101that was more than I intended to paste21:57
Robot101http://newsolio.com/klm705-test-flight-over-europe-to-test-ash-from-iceland-volcano,9436 being the relevant bit :)21:58
StskeepsRobot101: probably as crazy as the finnish air force pilots21:58
ssvbLiraNuna: btw, there is also vtrn instruction, it may help in some cases (matrix transpose)21:58
LiraNunatranspose only swaps pairs, right?21:59
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LiraNunasimilar to SSE's _MM_TRANSPOSE21:59
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pupnikty Robot101 !22:02
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NuD1t7hmm 3h idle n900 and battery has dropped from fully charged to 80%22:20
MohammadAGthat's a good thing22:20
pupnik"fully charged" by mwhat measure?22:20
NuD1t7well it claimed to be "full"22:21
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pupnikok22:23
pupniki doubt it was idle then22:23
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NuD1t7well no wlan or 3g internet-connection .. no sms or calls ... no gpu-active widget etc22:24
* FauxFaux is still suitably amused by Battery Graph (http://faux.uwcs.co.uk/battgraph2.png).22:24
NuD1t7there is only one cpu-spike22:24
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HektoRStskeeps: hey.... i just flashed it and it works :) thank you22:26
StskeepsHektoR: good :)22:26
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lcukFauxFaux, new install, or changed your system date?22:28
FauxFauxNew device.22:28
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dmj7261Hi, VDVsx.  I'm curious what kind of response Maemo got for GSoC?22:34
VDVsxdmj7261, a lot of proposals, see my blog post about that22:35
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lcukbatterygraph did not retain my history after backup/reflash/restore22:35
dmj7261just googled your blog...that's a lot.22:36
dmj7261Hopefully a  lot of really good ones. :)22:36
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VDVsxdmj7261, yeah a lot of good ones for few slots :(22:38
dmj7261How many did Maemo get?22:38
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* noobmonk3y wants the promote button to appear grrrrrrrrrrrrrr22:51
noobmonk3ylcuk, battery eye did keep my history after backup flash restore :D22:52
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* noobmonk3y grumbles!22:55
* dmj7261 just discovered a whole bunch of image processing code designed for scanning books with cameras.22:56
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lcuknoobmonk3y, o_O you are correct22:56
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lcukbatterygraph DID keep my settings22:57
lcukit was my date which was off!22:57
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noobmonk3y:P22:57
* noobmonk3y has no promote button :( :(22:58
* lcuk promotes noobmonk3y 22:58
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* noobmonk3y feels ever so slightly promoted :P22:59
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* noobmonk3y thinks X-Fade is sleeping on the servers again ;) 23:01
noobmonk3ymight be dribbing on them :(23:01
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lcuknoobmonk3y, healthcheck lacks graphics23:06
noobmonk3yyup!23:11
noobmonk3ybrb gotta head home, back in 3023:11
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ColdFyreisn't there a new maemo update for the n900 expected soooooon?23:14
kuriirino23:14
_llll_depends what you mean by "soon"23:15
yabbaAt december 201223:15
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N900evil_I expect one wednesday.23:15
N900evil_I am often dissapointed though.23:16
tmr1arrrggh, cant get sound works, damn23:16
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Arkenoiquite funny, my phone lasted 4 hours with battery showing zero bars and 5mAh, while networked and occasionally used interactively23:21
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javispedroI've seen that.23:24
SpeedEvilArkenoi: It really does use very little power when idle and powersaving wifi23:24
PhonicUKhas anyone used their N900 as a vnc server?23:24
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yabbabtw, is there any program (not overclocking) or way to put that wifi totaly off? Because I don't need it :P23:26
nid0wifi switcher23:26
yabbaOk, thanks :)23:26
SpeedEvilifconfig wlan0 down23:28
SpeedEvilWifi logged into a powersaving router uses under .2% of battery per hour23:29
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SpeedEvil(additional)23:29
nid0personally I find the power usage *way* higher than that23:30
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SpeedEvilpowersaving router23:30
nid0check23:30
inkbottleHi, is a sim-card inserted in the n900 mandatory to be able to connect through the wifi? :)23:30
SpeedEvilon a non powersaving one, it's way higher23:30
nid0still way more than that23:30
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nid0inkbottle, no23:30
SpeedEvilnid0: that is a total power use of ~10mA with it logged in but idle.23:30
nid0doesnt seem to be on my powersaving router23:31
nid0never has been23:31
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SpeedEvilnid0: what latency do you get over ssh sessions - and is your cpu hitting idle over 50% of the time?23:31
SpeedEvilnid0: - powertop23:32
javispedroimo it's something like 0.7% of battery per wi-fi hour23:32
javispedromake it ~1%23:32
SpeedEvilnid0: that is additional ~1mA with wifi on23:32
SpeedEvilfor me anyway23:32
nid0I find on this device having wifi on but (mostly) idle my battery life is roughly halved compared to just switching wifi off when not in use23:32
SpeedEvilwhat do you mean by mostly23:33
SpeedEvilxchat uses 30mA as it wakes the cpu up a lot23:33
nid0well as in the phone getting light use, maybe an hour of active wifi use a day23:33
inkbottlenid0: then... I can connect to my own wifi with a debian's laptop, but there is always error with the phone (so far i don't have a sim card to put in it) (i try sth else...)23:33
SpeedEvilk23:33
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nid0this is on the same router for which symbian phones with wifi enabled and idle have no noticeable extra increase in power consumption atall over wifi off entirely, so the router's powersaving support clearly works fine23:34
SpeedEvilnid0: well - mine works. I guess there are still some oddities.23:35
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SpeedEvilnid0: what latency do you see pinging the device?23:35
SpeedEvilnid0: I get a maximum of ~300ms or so.23:35
javispedroSpeedEvil: oh, and your average latency?23:36
SpeedEvil15023:36
* Arkenoi never seen any symbian phone lasting more than two days while connected. n900 can do *in theory*, actually you just never have it idling for two days ;-)23:36
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SpeedEvil10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9013ms23:36
SpeedEvilrtt min/avg/max/mdev = 44.190/130.087/210.439/56.597 ms23:36
nid0well with wifi connected but powersaving kicked in, it usually wont kick in atall until I actively use the wifi from the device first, my latency when it's active isnt bad, ill check it shortly though, girlfriend stole it to play blubbels atm23:37
javispedrortt min/avg/max/mdev = 207.945/343.951/499.086/84.836 ms23:37
javispedro(out of 12 packets)23:37
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nid0Arkenoi: e90 lasts about 6 days with no wifi connection for me23:37
nid0or like 5 and 3/4 days with wifi enabled and idle23:38
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* noobmonk3y curses the lack of promote button :(23:38
FauxFauxIf your wifi is idle you obviously don't have enough e-mail accounts.23:38
javispedron900 lasts 4 days with wi-fi + skype (I guess I won't ever get tired of repeating it ;P )23:38
nid0when my phone is in range of my wifi router, its because I am too23:38
nid0which means im also in range of both my workstation and my tablet23:38
nid0both of which receive my mail23:38
nid0no need for my n900 to as well23:39
_llll_wifi-switcher is useful23:39
SpeedEvilnid0: can you connect to the e90 from outside?23:39
nid0yep23:39
ShadowJKone email account on automatic check disqualifies yourself from using the words wifi, 3g or 2g together in the same sentence with the word 'idle' :P23:39
FauxFauxYeah, but it's supposed to download the e-mail for you to read on your way places.23:39
SpeedEvilShadowJK: no, it doesn't.23:39
yabbaOh god damn it, I installed that wifi switcher and put wifi of, then I was Damn update... but wrong, it was just icon :(23:39
SpeedEvilShadowJK: for wifi - it goes to sleep _very_ fast if powersave is implemented right23:39
luke-jrShadowJK: automatic check is a bug :)23:39
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, dude this is modest we're tlaking about ;)23:40
javispedroSpeedEvil++, my test was done with two email accounts set to 30 minutes...23:40
PhonicUKis there a way of turning off the N900 screen without VNC sessions going blank?23:40
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SpeedEvilThe more powerconsuming bit seems to be the CPU taking some time to go back to idle state.23:40
nid04 days with wifi and skype enabled, need :(23:40
nid0I just about get 3 with wifi switcher used and light usage23:40
ToJa92[PhonicUK]: You could always set the screen brightness to zero23:40
ToJa92dont remember what file the brightness is in though23:41
SpeedEvilToJa92: that still uses a fair bit of power23:41
javispedrodue to the way x11vnc works it's a waste of power either way23:41
SpeedEvilToJa92: indeed - lowest rung isn't much different from 'zero'23:41
PhonicUKworks for me23:41
javispedroPhonicUK: X11 should work fine with screen off -- I know it's less convenient but also more battery friendly23:41
PhonicUKas soon as i turn the screen off the remote sesion blanks out23:42
javispedroyes, due to the way x11vnc works.23:42
inkbottlehow do i know the mac address of the n900?23:42
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PhonicUKinkbottle, run iwconfig as root23:42
javispedroPhonicUK: sorry, by "X11" I meant "X11 redirection" alone, no VNC.23:42
PhonicUKah23:42
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inkbottlePhonicUK: :) how do i know the pass words?23:43
PhonicUK?23:43
PhonicUKyou don't need to23:43
nid0noobmonk3y, find your promote buttons :(23:43
PhonicUKyou need to install the gainroot package23:43
noobmonk3ynope :(23:43
javispedroinkbottle: you also can go to control panel and click "about my device"23:44
inkbottlejavispedro, i going to try that23:44
_llll_mac addr is listed in settings somewhere too23:44
javispedro"about my device", "about this product", dunno how it's translated.23:45
nid0you shoulda got a promote button half an hour ago :<23:45
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noobmonk3yyeah :(23:47
noobmonk3yits just not there :(23:47
nid0maybe its every half an hour at quarter past and to, in which case it woulda shown up 2 mins ago? :>23:47
lcuk2ash cloud?23:47
javispedroash cloud is prevent travel of packages from -devel to -testing23:48
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noobmonk3ylol23:48
javispedro*ting23:48
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* noobmonk3y blames lcuk2 for the ash cloud.... he's been brewing it for a while!23:48
noobmonk3ynid0, maybe it hasn't met all requirements?23:49
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nid0I cant see what, you had 3 tester thumbs ups in about 2 hours, you got 10 karma, its been 10 days, has a bugtracker, description, and dependancies23:49
noobmonk3y:P maybe it's the hidden test script, the one that says if it is called healthcheck, to just leave it festering? ;)23:50
SpeedEvilnid0: Have you sacrificed the virgin?23:50
noobmonk3ydarn, knew i forgot something23:50
nid0she wasnt a virgin when I was done with her :(23:50
noobmonk3ywhere is MohammadAG when you need him ;)23:50
* GAN900 is pretty sure the Nexus One is magic23:50
lcuk"magic"23:51
lcuk?23:51
javispedrohah! the dark side of the force is among us!23:51
GAN900Somehow it keeps getting new email with no WiFi and no SIM23:51
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GAN900It also magically sucks ass23:51
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lcuk"i've been turned on for 4 hours now"23:51
GAN900(as Myrtti will surely inform you)23:51
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lcukoutlook express used to send you mails23:51
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GAN900Just weird23:52
noobmonk3yGAN900, can it promoted my app to extras, whilst it is being so useful please? :D23:53
MohammadAGlurking?23:53
* javispedro counts the number of virgins GAN will have to offer in sacrifice to return to the path of light after his unblessed experiments with the dark side23:53
* MohammadAG pings noobmonk3y 23:53
VDVsxGAN900, enjoying your new device ? cough traitor cough :D23:54
MohammadAGlol23:54
* noobmonk3y farts23:54
noobmonk3yhmmm maybe it wont let me promote if another one is already in downloads?23:55
* VDVsx lights a match in the room :D23:55
noobmonk3y(Shouldnt be the case though.......)23:55
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* javispedro ducks23:55
inkbottleSo now I am connected (i have the little icon); but it fails connecting to an address, even one i give it the ip address (so fare i can't ping or what ever)23:55
MohammadAGLOL23:55
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noobmonk3yjavispedro, mallards?23:56
* MohammadAG heard an explosion23:56
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javispedronoobmonk3y: as in "duck and cover", you unlawful person that made me check wiktionary.23:57
noobmonk3ylol!!!23:57
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* noobmonk3y checks the dictionary for wiktionary........ nope, got me there23:57
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