| RevdKathy | Told you, I came from dance class: pelvic floor muscles in top form. No parping here! | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | i found the pic online with a little envelope in arm - i just replaced it magically with some sticky back plastic etc | 00:00 |
| lcuk | or if you do, its in tune | 00:00 |
| RevdKathy | It's lovely | 00:00 |
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| RevdKathy | Belly dance tones up the parts other exercises cannot reach. ;) | 00:01 |
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| lcuk | polates (sp?) does that | 00:02 |
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| lcuk | whenever tracy used to go, its new name "pofartes" was hollered | 00:02 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Belly dance? Did I join the right maemo? | 00:05 |
| mikki-kun | yay, brandnew device \o/ | 00:07 |
| mikki-kun | well, at least in theory ^^ | 00:07 |
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| MohammadAG_ | w00t_, liking the app more each day | 00:10 |
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| w00t_ | :) | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG_ | are the changes on Git? | 00:10 |
| w00t_ | not the latest, I'm taking a break for dinner | 00:11 |
| w00t_ | bbl | 00:11 |
| mikki-kun | which app are you talking about? | 00:11 |
| mtnbkr | When can I have this for my N900 ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3KrFV0-WFw | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | mikki-kun, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=603406 | 00:11 |
| frals | hmm, anyone played with osso_abook_aggregator in the sdk? | 00:12 |
| mikki-kun | whoah, that looks nice with the heli | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG_ | looks fake to me | 00:14 |
| * mtnbkr still wonts one ... And a light saber lol | 00:15 | |
| mikki-kun | doesn't have to be... but it'll cost you i suppose | 00:15 |
| mtnbkr | *wants* | 00:15 |
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| RevdKathy | G'night all | 00:17 |
| RevdKathy | Zebedee is calling | 00:17 |
| LinuxCode | zebedee ? | 00:18 |
| LinuxCode | bbcee ? | 00:18 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 00:18 |
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| LinuxCode | ;-p | 00:18 |
| mikki-kun | hm, facebook... *not using* still, something for those who need it it looks nice :) | 00:18 |
| RevdKathy | Magic Roundabout: "Time for bed, said Zebedee" | 00:18 |
| LinuxCode | DEBis calling | 00:18 |
| RevdKathy | Night night! | 00:18 |
| LinuxCode | nn | 00:18 |
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| lcuk | gnite RevdKathy | 00:20 |
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| mikki-kun | ewwwww | 00:23 |
| mikki-kun | ohh, phewww no hangup while updating the firmware ^^ | 00:24 |
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| frals | ~curse libosso-abook | 00:25 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, libosso-abook ! | 00:25 |
| * lcuk offers frals some cocoa | 00:26 | |
| * javispedro manages to crash gdb... again | 00:26 | |
| lcuk | 6.8 or 7.0? | 00:26 |
| javispedro | 6.4 | 00:26 |
| lcuk | and doin what | 00:26 |
| javispedro | :) | 00:26 |
| javispedro | (diablo) | 00:26 |
| lcuk | oh nm | 00:26 |
| frals | javispedro: im pretty good at that as well.. atleast the one in the sdk | 00:26 |
| lcuk | frals - gdbing what | 00:26 |
| frals | i was trying to get a working testcase with that libosso_abook_search_by_phonenumber or what it was called | 00:27 |
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| frals | but i scraped it, found it should be doable in pure osso-abook | 00:27 |
| frals | but now im getting an empty list of contacts for some reason | 00:28 |
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| frals | aggregator = osso_abook_aggregator_get_default(&error); gives me what seems to be some random empty addressbook instead of the system one | 00:28 |
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| javispedro | ah, and osso-abook is closed isn't it | 00:29 |
| frals | aye | 00:29 |
| javispedro | pfft. tough weekend waiting for you there :) | 00:29 |
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| frals | im hoping there are some experts in here ;) | 00:30 |
| * GeneralAntilles notes there's now an iPad in the family. | 00:30 | |
| PhonicUK | why is the room spinning... | 00:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | PhonicUK, turn off automatic orientation detection. | 00:30 |
| PhonicUK | i have, but its still spinning | 00:31 |
| PhonicUK | eugh im dizzy | 00:31 |
| javispedro | stop lucid dreaming | 00:31 |
| korhojoa | i'm going to suggest you turn on the inertial dampeners | 00:32 |
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| mtnbkr | and the artificial gravity | 00:32 |
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| korhojoa | just see to it that you're next to the floor and not the ceiling | 00:32 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I'll help doing the editing if you source some more content ;-) | 00:33 |
| frals | http://pastebin.org/143515 why does this return a 0 length list? any osso-abook experts? :) | 00:34 |
| * frals pokes lcuk | 00:34 | |
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| * lcuk refrains from poking frals, but gets rm_you to do it for him | 00:35 | |
| Jaffa | frals: I *might* have time to look over the weekend, if I get a following wind | 00:35 |
| javispedro | ~chase lcuk & frals | 00:35 |
| * infobot chases lcuk & frals | 00:35 | |
| lcuk | revdkathy is your wayjaffa, and she has powerful wind - so she says | 00:35 |
| frals | Jaffa: cheers :) | 00:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, OK, going to the Rays vs Yankees game tonight, but I should be able to power through some stuff tomorrow morning. | 00:37 |
| lcuk | javispedro, what you working on 810? | 00:37 |
| javispedro | lcuk: openttd 1.0 | 00:37 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, baseball? | 00:37 |
| korhojoa | ~fondle me | 00:37 |
| PhonicUK | hmm | 00:38 |
| korhojoa | :< | 00:38 |
| PhonicUK | "svn" out loud sounds like "seven" | 00:38 |
| PhonicUK | alias 7up="svn up" | 00:38 |
| korhojoa | how drunk are you? | 00:38 |
| PhonicUK | that's the weird bit, I don't drink | 00:38 |
| PhonicUK | i just feel weird | 00:38 |
| PhonicUK | its probably to do with not having a nights uninterrupted sleep all week | 00:38 |
| korhojoa | what pills did you take? | 00:38 |
| PhonicUK | none (yet) | 00:39 |
| mikki-kun | hm, what about the bash3 package? is it "any good"? | 00:39 |
| lcuk | PhonicUK, when you do | 00:39 |
| lcuk | get 2 of the biggest pills you can find | 00:39 |
| lcuk | put em in your ears and enjoy the p&q :) | 00:39 |
| PhonicUK | lol | 00:39 |
| PhonicUK | i gotta get up at like 4AM tomorrow morning too :\ | 00:39 |
| lcuk | eep | 00:39 |
| lcuk | its always bad on screwed up sleep | 00:40 |
| PhonicUK | yeah :( | 00:40 |
| PhonicUK | i feel like, im not really here | 00:40 |
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| PhonicUK | during my entire day at work i wrote maybe 50 lines of code | 00:40 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: cool | 00:40 |
| * lcuk just thought about code today | 00:41 | |
| lcuk | ive got a hefty block of testing to do | 00:41 |
| lcuk | over the weekend | 00:41 |
| * frals has done nothing all day | 00:41 | |
| PhonicUK | I want to set up a decent N900 build environment on my Gentoo AMD64 install :\ | 00:41 |
| frals | the joy of being unemployed.. :P | 00:41 |
| lcuk | frals, dont underestimate the discussions you have had :) | 00:41 |
| frals | lcuk: true :) | 00:42 |
| lcuk | jaffa all gone quiet about the training doofer, any new blog posts about it etc | 00:43 |
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| lcuk | the london one | 00:43 |
| lcuk | frals, makefile or gcc build line for that snippet | 00:44 |
| frals | gcc -g abook.c -o abook `pkg-config --cflags --libs glib-2.0 libosso-abook-1.0` | 00:44 |
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| lcuk | ta | 00:45 |
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| frals | np | 00:46 |
| frals | oh | 00:46 |
| frals | i might know what im missing | 00:46 |
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| frals | doh, i was wrong :p | 00:47 |
| lcuk | then post public apology :p | 00:48 |
| lcuk | lol | 00:48 |
| lcuk | aniello will be going spare that you filled his box :D | 00:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, yeah. | 00:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, go Rays! ;) | 00:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where's fiferboy when you need him? . . . | 00:49 |
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| lcuk | cool, baseball looks like a cool game when the weather is good - do they still play in rain etc | 00:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, depends on how much rain. | 00:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, indoor stadium, though. | 00:50 |
| lcuk | easy enough then | 00:50 |
| * GeneralAntilles has had enough convertible sun for the day. | 00:50 | |
| lcuk | why am i seeing guru meditations on more and more web servers? | 00:51 |
| lcuk | slashdot has them now | 00:51 |
| lcuk | when they were rare they were cool - now im seeing em everywhere | 00:51 |
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| V13 | I Repeat Class: builder is down... right? | 00:51 |
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| lcuk | v13 looking : http://maemo.org/packages/ : you might be right | 00:52 |
| lcuk | last build 19:56 - now its 22:51 | 00:53 |
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| V13 | I'm waiting about 4 hours for an import... | 00:53 |
| V13 | so... who's to annoy ? | 00:53 |
| V13 | :) | 00:53 |
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| lcuk | V13, X-Fade would be person 1 | 00:55 |
| lcuk | which package | 00:55 |
| V13 | arg :) | 00:55 |
| lcuk | (x-fade is also not normally on now | 00:55 |
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| V13 | well.. i've actman which is waiting to be imported to extras and wok which is waiting to be imported to extras-devel | 00:56 |
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| * V13 packages faster than the builder imports :-P | 00:56 | |
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| lcuk | yeah it does seem to be specifically the import doesnt it | 00:58 |
| lcuk | i wonder where its logs are | 00:58 |
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| V13 | ah.. good... there is category "promoter" :-) | 01:01 |
| V13 | oops.. wrong category | 01:01 |
| V13 | hehehe... i switched severity to "major"... first time :) | 01:03 |
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| V13 | any idea on how to build an armel package from the scratchbox? | 01:27 |
| lcuk | v13 | 01:27 |
| V13 | yes? | 01:28 |
| lcuk | you just change your target to the ARMEL one | 01:28 |
| V13 | how ? | 01:28 |
| V13 | (I'm using the SDK image) | 01:28 |
| lcuk | sb-menu | 01:28 |
| V13 | oh! | 01:28 |
| V13 | thanks :) | 01:28 |
| lcuk | allows you to change and do stuff to which one you are in :) | 01:28 |
| V13 | (I was using the autobuilder until now :-) | 01:28 |
| lcuk | heh, autobuilder was the only way you got device testing? | 01:28 |
| lcuk | thats pretty extreme - no wonder you were nervous! | 01:29 |
| lcuk | tho commendable | 01:29 |
| lcuk | it would be cool to get builder that fast its feasible | 01:29 |
| V13 | except from python programs yes :) | 01:29 |
| lcuk | heh ;) | 01:29 |
| V13 | hm... sb-menu seems to need to change everything.. | 01:32 |
| V13 | so.. it won't run the ui... right ? | 01:32 |
| lcuk | mm what did you select | 01:32 |
| V13 | freemantle-arm | 01:32 |
| lcuk | "Select" = "Activate a target" is what you need | 01:32 |
| V13 | yes :) | 01:33 |
| frals | ~curse http://pastebin.org/143576 | 01:33 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, http://pastebin.org/143576 ! | 01:33 |
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| V13 | but i tried to start the ui and it failed | 01:33 |
| V13 | (af-sb-init.sh start) | 01:33 |
| V13 | doing it again | 01:34 |
| lcuk | try the killall option before you do (it does forceful vulcan neck pinch on everything running | 01:34 |
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| V13 | yes... sb-menu does this :) | 01:35 |
| V13 | no good | 01:35 |
| V13 | qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped | 01:35 |
| V13 | ok.. who needs the gui.. | 01:35 |
| V13 | just build a package | 01:35 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: svn.jacekowski.org | 01:35 |
| frals | well you use the armel package you build in sdk to test on device dont you? | 01:36 |
| frals | and when you wanna run it in sdk you switch x86 :P | 01:36 |
| V13 | i tried to start the ui in the sdk when i had armel as the target :) | 01:36 |
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| w00t_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=603535&postcount=186 - if anyone's interested | 01:37 |
| jacekowski | w00t_: uuuuuu | 01:38 |
| jacekowski | w00t_: non-free | 01:38 |
| jacekowski | w00t_: lcuk isn't going to like it | 01:38 |
| w00t_ | the code itself is free, but I don't know enough about packaging and haven't had the time to read up on it - yet | 01:39 |
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| V13 | thnx lcuk for the info | 01:39 |
| jacekowski | w00t_: i did the same with chrome | 01:40 |
| jacekowski | w00t_: and he didn't like it | 01:40 |
| V13 | lol :) | 01:40 |
| lcuk | jacekowski :) svn diff http://svn.jacekowski.org/chromium@2 http://svn.jacekowski.org/chromium@3 | 01:41 |
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| lcuk | difference here is i dont care about w00t because he wrote it all himself | 01:41 |
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| lcuk | people can choose whatever license for their own code | 01:41 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: it's not going to work that way | 01:41 |
| lcuk | that just did sorta | 01:41 |
| jacekowski | you get part of modifications | 01:42 |
| jacekowski | there is no real revision 0 in repository | 01:42 |
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| lcuk | i get the fact you changed dependencies to python2.5 in loads of places | 01:42 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 01:42 |
| lcuk | and removed ssl | 01:42 |
| jacekowski | no | 01:42 |
| jacekowski | ssl is working | 01:42 |
| jacekowski | at least it should work | 01:43 |
| lcuk | but what it allows jacekowski is discussion | 01:43 |
| lcuk | people are blogging and tweeting about what you have done | 01:43 |
| lcuk | cool! | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | i know | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | i've seen a lot of refferers in my server log | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | jacekowski:/var/log/apache2# cat access.log | grep chromium | wc -l | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | 2228 | 01:44 |
| lcuk | yeah its *another* massive browser on the platform :) | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | i'm thinking about adding some code that would send me notification of every installation | 01:45 |
| Fredrik1994 | Uhm | 01:45 |
| jacekowski | nobody would notice it | 01:45 |
| Fredrik1994 | my xchat on computer seems to have expired | 01:45 |
| Fredrik1994 | = wtf? | 01:45 |
| V13 | expired ? | 01:45 |
| Fredrik1994 | isn't it open source...? | 01:45 |
| V13 | no way | 01:45 |
| jacekowski | commercial build | 01:45 |
| jacekowski | Fredrik1994: it is | 01:45 |
| V13 | oh | 01:45 |
| Fredrik1994 | uh | 01:46 |
| w00t_ | windows binaries are commercially licenced | 01:46 |
| jacekowski | Fredrik1994: but there are some windows builds that expire | 01:46 |
| Fredrik1994 | ... meh | 01:46 |
| w00t_ | if you build it yourself, you're fine | 01:46 |
| V13 | i remember that somewhere was mentioned that it is possible to add accelerometer support for games with an easy way... | 01:46 |
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| V13 | there was a package that did something... did you remember anything about that ? | 01:47 |
| V13 | s/did/do | 01:47 |
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| Fredrik1994 | seems very unlogical, but okay...? :P | 01:47 |
| Fredrik1994 | guess i will try to compile it then | 01:47 |
| microlith | Fredrik1994: the maintainer did that because making a windows build is, apparently, a pain in the ass | 01:48 |
| Fredrik1994 | ahh, k | 01:48 |
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| frals | jacekowski: automagic dial-home is evul | 01:50 |
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| jacekowski | frals: i don't care | 01:53 |
| jacekowski | i don't care about lot of things | 01:53 |
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| frals | check | 01:54 |
| ColdFyre | mate | 01:54 |
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| V13 | here's a no-no: I thought I'd try to port vdrift to n900... then I tried to download it... it is 500MB compressed :) | 01:58 |
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| jacekowski | V13: that's why i never do any development at home | 02:01 |
| jacekowski | V13: either on my dedicated server or at work | 02:01 |
| jacekowski | chrome was mostly done at work | 02:01 |
| V13 | well.. the problem is not the bandwidth.. it'll be here soon :) | 02:01 |
| V13 | the problem is that it is 500MB compressed.. | 02:01 |
| V13 | most probably it can't be installed in /opt because of space ! | 02:02 |
| jacekowski | not really | 02:02 |
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| jacekowski | chrome sources are about 150M compressed | 02:02 |
| jacekowski | binary is less than 50 | 02:02 |
| V13 | true | 02:02 |
| V13 | but chrome is only source | 02:02 |
| V13 | this one is sound and graphics :) | 02:02 |
| jacekowski | stick sound and graphics onto ~/MyDocs/ | 02:03 |
| V13 | yes. | 02:03 |
| V13 | i'll see what i can do.. but maybe i'll try a smaller one... depends. | 02:03 |
| V13 | even creating a deb could take an hour | 02:03 |
| V13 | how long did it take chrome to compile in sb ? | 02:05 |
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| jacekowski | V13: Debug build - 12h | 02:26 |
| jacekowski | Release build faster | 02:26 |
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| jacekowski | under 2h | 02:27 |
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| jacekowski | ( but i'm using quite powerfull server to build it ) | 02:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | parrot AR.Drone quadricopter doesn't look like a fake to me | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | I give a shit for the AR games though | 02:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | N900 should be much better siuted to steer&control the drone than friggin iPod, as we got hw-kbd | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil_ | drone crashed - pulseaudio. | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | the on-board logic should be smart enough to avoid crashes even when remCon goes offline | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm missing a GPS | 02:56 |
| ShadowJK | I'm watching a movie on my PC, and pulseaudio is consuming more CPU than MPlayer does to decode audio and decode and display video | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | PA is total crap | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | always been | 02:57 |
| ShadowJK | I think Carmack proved that GPS is almost worse than no GPS on a flying vehicle | 02:57 |
| red | 02:53 < red> Ey windows users | 02:57 |
| red | 02:54 < red> What's the precies name of "Courier 10 Pitch" under Windows? | 02:57 |
| red | 02:54 < red> is it Courier New or Courier? | 02:57 |
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| red | And to elaborate, on unix Courier looks a lot darker but otherwase the same vs. 10 pitch | 02:58 |
| jacekowski | mhm | 02:58 |
| jacekowski | http://www.itechmax.com/2010/04/09/nokia-n900-maemo-running-google-chrome/ | 02:58 |
| jacekowski | does anybody understand that part | 02:58 |
| jacekowski | The version that is ported to Nokia N900 Maemo is 32-bit Debian? | 02:58 |
| frosty` | jacekowski: just saw your build turn up on reddit | 02:58 |
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| jacekowski | to be hones i've released it little bit prematurely | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF is chrome? wtf is google? | 03:00 |
| jacekowski | WTF is WTF? | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wtf wtf | 03:00 |
| infobot | WTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck | 03:00 |
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| jacekowski | ~wtf google | 03:00 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what google means... | 03:00 |
| jacekowski | ~wtf chrome | 03:00 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what chrome means... | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | see? | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 03:00 |
| mikki-kun | lol | 03:00 |
| Fredrik1994 | -wtf me | 03:01 |
| Fredrik1994 | meh | 03:01 |
| mikki-kun | btw, is the ability to oc the cpu "safe"? | 03:01 |
| jacekowski | no | 03:01 |
| ShadowJK | no | 03:01 |
| jacekowski | it will drasticaly reduce lifetime of your phone | 03:01 |
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| ShadowJK | even if it doesn't get warm :) | 03:02 |
| jacekowski | that helps little bit | 03:02 |
| mikki-kun | well, i looked a few specsd and actually these cpu's are natively clocked at... i think it was 800 | 03:03 |
| ShadowJK | No, the native speed is 500 | 03:03 |
| ShadowJK | 550 and 600 is overdrive | 03:03 |
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| mikki-kun | http://www.arm.com/products/processors/cortex-a/cortex-a8.php | 03:03 |
| ShadowJK | arm does not make CPUs. They make blueprints. | 03:04 |
| mikki-kun | but it's then the blueprint of the 65nm LP process i suppose | 03:04 |
| jacekowski | mikki-kun: according to ti specs hi speed version can go up to 720 | 03:04 |
| jacekowski | mikki-kun: but there are many different factors | 03:04 |
| ShadowJK | jacekowski, that is only for specific models of the CPU | 03:04 |
| jacekowski | and untill you get it onto silicon you can't really tell how fast it will go | 03:05 |
| ShadowJK | The standard model goes to 600. The 720 model costs about double :P | 03:05 |
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| jacekowski | n900 probably has standard one | 03:05 |
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| ShadowJK | Yes, because the 720 model wasn't available until AFTER the n900 release, let alone before the design was made | 03:06 |
| jacekowski | is pinout compatible? | 03:06 |
| ShadowJK | yep | 03:06 |
| Arkenoi | what is the expected cpu lifetime? most 10 years old cpus are still alive | 03:06 |
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| ShadowJK | Arkenklo, iirc something like 50 years at 500MHz and 5 years at 600? | 03:07 |
| ShadowJK | or was it 10 years at 500 and 5 years at 600... I forget | 03:07 |
| Arkenoi | given it rarely goes full speed | 03:07 |
| Arkenoi | so even 2 years for 900 is ok | 03:07 |
| ShadowJK | I wouldn't expect 2 years from 900 :) | 03:08 |
| jacekowski | i know that OC to 900MHz would reduce expected lifetime to unreasonably low values | 03:08 |
| Arkenoi | i am likely to change phone earlier | 03:08 |
| * ShadowJK would expect 9 months | 03:08 | |
| Arkenoi | 9 months of running at full speed? | 03:08 |
| Arkenoi | that's more than ok | 03:08 |
| ShadowJK | device lifetime :P | 03:08 |
| Arkenoi | i doubt things are *that* bad | 03:09 |
| ShadowJK | I don't | 03:09 |
| Arkenoi | at least desktop cpus are unlikely to get damaged by overclock without overheat | 03:09 |
| ShadowJK | But they do get damaged by overvoltage :-) | 03:10 |
| ShadowJK | just like the N900 cpu | 03:10 |
| mikki-kun | hmm... | 03:10 |
| mikki-kun | what about "warranty"? | 03:10 |
| ShadowJK | 550 and 600 are overvolted :) | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=597069&postcount=132 | 03:10 |
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| ShadowJK | mikki-kun, obviously overclock voids warranty :) | 03:10 |
| mikki-kun | how can they prove you oc'ed it? | 03:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you mustn't think they are idiots | 03:11 |
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| ShadowJK | You're not overclocking the memory, it will still be healthy and contain everythign :) | 03:12 |
| Fredrik1994 | is google chrome optified? | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet they done some tests, to decide they don't support >600, and for sure they know the failure pattern OC is causing | 03:12 |
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| Fredrik1994 | if not, fine, i will still test it, but could be good to know | 03:13 |
| mikki-kun | well, then you gotta use a match and burn the mem a lil :D | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~jtag | 03:13 |
| infobot | hmm... jtag is a method of reflashing bricked devices. it stands for "joint test access group", if joshua_ remembers correctly. the method used is called "boundary scan" over a parallel port. it works by sending commands to twiddle individual pins on the CPU. LART JTAG info can be found at http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/projects/jtag/ . | 03:13 |
| jacekowski | Fredrik1994: yes | 03:14 |
| Fredrik1994 | ah | 03:14 |
| Fredrik1994 | nice | 03:14 |
| Arkenoi | what about "low voltage" kernels? | 03:14 |
| jacekowski | and regardless what people say | 03:14 |
| Fredrik1994 | no worries about full rootfs then | 03:14 |
| jacekowski | it's optified | 03:14 |
| Arkenoi | it should be safer | 03:14 |
| jacekowski | Arkenoi: lifespan gets reduced | 03:15 |
| Arkenoi | but not that bad | 03:15 |
| jacekowski | Arkenoi: cpu that's overclocked to it's limits rarely lasts for 2 years | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | often (not sure for omap) you can even test single functionblocks inside the SoC and even CPU | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | so they probably don't even have to XRay the SoC to proove you OC-fried it | 03:16 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: overclock can't void warranty as such | 03:16 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: it only voids it for faults related to OC | 03:17 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: so if screen would go wrong warranty still covers it | 03:17 |
| jacekowski | if cpu goes wrong - then it's tricky - because you can still prove that it's not because of OC ( which is very unlikely ) | 03:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | until Nokia comes with a giberish explanation why it's caused by OC, and you have to pay k-bucks for experts doing counter expertise | 03:18 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 03:18 |
| jacekowski | Fredrik1994: where have you heard about it anyways? | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is applicable for nearly everything from black screen to exploding battery, except maybe when the case is coloring your antique desk | 03:20 |
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| Arkenoi | so why ULV kernels are still that bad for CPU if there is no overvoltage? | 03:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | leave it up to you to calculate your chances at court | 03:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually if it's difficult and expensive to proove it's been OC that caused a device failure, odds are Nokia will simply state on *any* waranty request that it's been caused by OC. Thanks for OC kernel, thank you OC fools :-( | 03:24 |
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| Arkenoi | well, as there is no true worldwide warranty by nokia, my device is covered by third-party warranty | 03:25 |
| Arkenoi | wonder if they know about overclocking too | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | my waranty is covered by local Nokia competence center (contractor to Nokia), and they do the simple repairs, but send in all complicated ones to Nokia | 03:27 |
| ShadowJK | court costs more for you than new n900 anyway :) | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it's fscking easy for Nokia if they start to feel pissed by large numbers of OC borked devices | 03:28 |
| Arkenoi | i think i am going to wait a few more days to see how things settle down before trying OC kernel | 03:28 |
| ShadowJK | Though if I get the usb port issue and they refuse, if needed I'll take em through court just to make a point... | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | they have the power, they have no risk, and they have a pretty good excuse why they have lots of bitching users complaining Nokia doesn't fulfill waranty | 03:29 |
| Arkenoi | we already to have "better" OC kernels than first ones ;-) | 03:29 |
| Arkenoi | s/to/do/ | 03:29 |
| infobot | Arkenoi meant: we already do have "better" OC kernels than first ones ;-) | 03:29 |
| ShadowJK | and that point wouldn't be "you suck i hate you", I'd hope it'd send a "you're a fucking communications company, please COMMUNICATE with yourself" ;p | 03:30 |
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| jacekowski | it'll be really easy if it's oc that broken it | 03:36 |
| jacekowski | to check if* | 03:37 |
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| jacekowski | just check if it's using original kernel | 03:37 |
| jacekowski | and average user can't change it back to original after breaking his device | 03:37 |
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| javispedro | uh, overclocking again | 03:44 |
| Arkenoi | wow, my suspections turned out to be true: damn as-daemon, modest and other shit run at EXACTLY the same priority as, say, media player. that SUCKS | 03:45 |
| javispedro | it doesn't | 03:45 |
| Arkenoi | at least it is what htop says | 03:46 |
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| Arkenoi | and you get hiccups when the damn thing start syncing | 03:46 |
| javispedro | first and foremost, | 03:47 |
| Arkenoi | always | 03:47 |
| javispedro | I don't most of the time | 03:47 |
| javispedro | when it happens, it's usually io bound | 03:47 |
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| javispedro | and also, the process doing the actual decoding is unniced | 03:47 |
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| javispedro | Google to fund a Theora decoder for ARM | 03:53 |
| javispedro | interesting. | 03:53 |
| javispedro | (guess that means they don't plan to use their On2 codecs for anything remotely-free :P) | 03:54 |
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| opdf2 | anyone having problems with usb connector? | 03:58 |
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| jacekowski | apparently lot of people | 03:58 |
| opdf2 | is there a way to prevent this problem from even developing? | 03:59 |
| jacekowski | be gentle | 03:59 |
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| opdf2 | yes i have been very. i hope the later manufacture dates are less prone. Seems like 2009 dates are susceptible | 04:02 |
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| opdf2 | maybe shaving down the rails on the cable would help as well | 04:19 |
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| jacekowski | rotfl | 04:21 |
| jacekowski | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33051&page=14 | 04:21 |
| jacekowski | i've just noticed tags | 04:21 |
| jacekowski | inferior compared to ff, microb killer, | 04:21 |
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| adalal | hey, anyone knows if the email client in maemo 5 can have an html signature? | 05:30 |
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| jacekowski | adalal: are you talking about modest or other client? | 05:41 |
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| godrik | is there a channel related to maemo mapper or should I ask my question here ? | 05:54 |
| Guest98600 | is it possible to port maemo to another ARM9 based device? anybody have tried this? tks | 05:54 |
| GAN900 | Which Maemo? | 05:54 |
| GAN900 | Maemo 5 is highly unlikely | 05:54 |
| GAN900 | You might get away with an older version | 05:54 |
| Ken-Young | Guest98600, check out http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 05:54 |
| GAN900 | Also: define "Maemo" | 05:55 |
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| GAN900 | But, yeah, Mer. | 05:55 |
| Guest98600 | maemo 5 is our preferred one | 05:57 |
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| Guest98600 | why there is no chance to port maemo 5 to another device? | 05:57 |
| GAN900 | Er | 05:58 |
| GAN900 | No chance for ARM9 | 05:58 |
| Guest98600 | I am still confused by the relationship between mer and maemo | 05:58 |
| GAN900 | since most don't come with a GPU | 05:58 |
| GAN900 | among other issues | 05:58 |
| GAN900 | Mer is the open source components of Maemo rebased on an Ubuntu platform. | 05:58 |
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| Guest98600 | It seems that the mer does not need GPU. so why mer can run on the ARM9 based device and the maemo can not | 06:01 |
| Guest98600 | And why the GPU is so important to the maemo system? | 06:03 |
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| GAN900 | Because Maemo 5's desktop needs acceleration | 06:04 |
| GAN900 | Maemo isn't designed for deployment on non-Nokia hardware | 06:04 |
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| GAN900 | It's not a generic distribution. | 06:04 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900: having fun? | 06:12 |
| trip0 | GAN900, isn't the GPU on the n900 exactly the same as other ARM hardware? PowerVR is in just about everything in that space it seems. | 06:15 |
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| GAN900 | trip0, that's like saying GeForce is the same because GeForce is everywhere | 06:16 |
| GAN900 | and this is ARM9. . . . | 06:16 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, Rays destroyed the Yankees. | 06:16 |
| GAN900 | So, yes. | 06:16 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: football? | 06:17 |
| trip0 | i think it's more a question of whether a driver for gpu accel is available on that platform or not | 06:17 |
| GAN900 | Baseball | 06:17 |
| GAN900 | trip0, no | 06:18 |
| GAN900 | trip0, because it also needs GLES 2.0 | 06:18 |
| trip0 | by "gpu accel" i mean support for all the needs of the software. which in this case would be GLES 2 | 06:19 |
| GAN900 | Which is pretty much limited to Cortex and a very few ARM11 devices. | 06:19 |
| crashanddie | In the Philipines, there's a terrorist group called the Moral Islamist Liberation Front | 06:21 |
| crashanddie | which spells out: MILF | 06:21 |
| jesus__ | :/ | 06:21 |
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| crashanddie | I'm watching an interview with the "MILF Commander" | 06:22 |
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| Ken-Young | crashanddie, They probably get a lot more hits on the website than any other militant Islamist group. | 06:24 |
| crashanddie | aye | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 06:24 |
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| crashanddie | lmao | 06:28 |
| crashanddie | the MILF is on Facebook | 06:28 |
| crashanddie | http://www.facebook.com/pages/luwarancom/390099909273?ref=ts | 06:28 |
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| spencer | anyone can help me on a dbus mce request question?? | 06:53 |
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| joga | spencer: just ask | 06:58 |
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| trip0 | bah | 07:03 |
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| trip0 | bah | 07:04 |
| trip0 | .documents | 07:04 |
| trip0 | fail | 07:04 |
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| trip0 | wth did google choose gtk over qt... | 07:06 |
| trip0 | makes no sense... | 07:06 |
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| ds3 | boy does Maps suck | 07:52 |
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| xbluejackx | anyone know what dir personal ip address installs on? i cant find the config file to mod.... | 07:55 |
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| ml-mobile | config files should always be in /home/user or /etc | 07:58 |
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| xbluejackx | ya i was looking there but did not see the dir for this app.. | 08:01 |
| xbluejackx | i want to mod the background shade to transparent | 08:02 |
| xbluejackx | its just a png tweek but i can not find it lol | 08:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 08:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | /usr/share/* ? | 08:10 |
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| dottedmag | Is there way to download pre-PR-1.2 scratchbox/SDK? | 08:58 |
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| shinkamui | hey | 09:00 |
| shinkamui | am i an asshole? | 09:00 |
| shinkamui | did PR 1.2 get released? | 09:00 |
| shinkamui | "I started this on Saturday, and have spent pretty much all of today getting it to run on the n900 (SDK issues, PR1.2 vs 1.1.1, a Qt/compiler bug, git problems .. I've been through all sorts of hell :P" | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | i don't think it's relased to public yet | 09:04 |
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| shinkamui | ok, I was thinking that too, maybe only sdk and to special testers | 09:04 |
| shinkamui | :( | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | sdk is out | 09:04 |
| shinkamui | how long as the 1.2 sdk been out | 09:04 |
| shinkamui | ? | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | for too long, some might say | 09:05 |
| shinkamui | lol | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | and then there's people with access to internal releases obviously, but those cannot be distributed | 09:05 |
| acidjazz | any1 put chromium on an n900 yet | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | acidjazz: yes, they did, i think | 09:05 |
| acidjazz | i know its possible but | 09:05 |
| acidjazz | has any1 in here done it | 09:05 |
| microlith | it has been, but it is (sadly) not in the repository | 09:05 |
| shinkamui | acidjazz, http://jacekowski.org/maemo/ | 09:07 |
| acidjazz | is it a replacement? | 09:07 |
| shinkamui | don't get your nuts tied in a bow though | 09:07 |
| acidjazz | or jsut an app thatll run | 09:07 |
| shinkamui | aka testicular torsion | 09:07 |
| shinkamui | :-D | 09:07 |
| acidjazz | oh its package | 09:07 |
| acidjazz | k | 09:07 |
| shinkamui | it crashes, A LOT | 09:07 |
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| shinkamui | its more like a POC than a daily use | 09:08 |
| acidjazz | meh | 09:09 |
| shinkamui | well try it anyway | 09:10 |
| shinkamui | im personally very happy with the communities ports as of late | 09:11 |
| shinkamui | facebrick especially | 09:11 |
| shinkamui | every time I get sad about the N900 starting to stagnate again, some new cool stuff is ported | 09:11 |
| shinkamui | like Picodrive | 09:11 |
| shinkamui | or PCS-x gets a speed boost | 09:11 |
| shinkamui | or Facebrick facebook local client | 09:11 |
| shinkamui | :) | 09:11 |
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| shinkamui | I would really like to see PR 1.2 | 09:12 |
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| shinkamui | I hope that a lot of the missing little functions are starting to show up | 09:12 |
| crashanddie | shinkamui: STOP TALKING TO YOURSELF | 09:13 |
| shinkamui | hi crash | 09:14 |
| shinkamui | you always rain on my parade :) | 09:14 |
| * RST38h yawns and wonders if he is ever going to hear anything new here | 09:14 | |
| crashanddie | RST38h: the butterflies of doom welcome you to their anniversary tea party. | 09:15 |
| RST38h | thanks, I hope there is gonna be bloody sacrifice | 09:15 |
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| acidjazz | yea shinkamui the device itself is awesomely easy to use for anything | 09:16 |
| acidjazz | just not really a phone for a phone company | 09:16 |
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| RST38h | "We have shot an amazing number of people, but to my knowledge, none has ever proven to be a threat," said McChrystal during a recent video-conference with troops | 10:06 |
| RST38h | eek | 10:07 |
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| RST38h | "...in the nine-plus months I've been here, not a single case where we have engaged in an escalation of force incident and hurt someone has it turned out that the vehicle had a suicide bomb or weapons in it and, in many cases, had families in it." | 10:07 |
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| korhojoa | RST38h: somehow related to the chopper incident? | 10:13 |
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| RST38h | korhojoa: Not really, but proves the point that the chopper accident has not been "an unfortunate mistake" | 10:15 |
| korhojoa | yeah. because a monochrome video feed from far away really tells the difference between a rpg and a dslr | 10:16 |
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| RST38h | actually, it does (if you have seen the feed): these guys have got some pretty amazing optics | 10:17 |
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| RST38h | but here you have got your direct visual contact, and they still managed to off 35+ people in something like twice as many accidents, and *none* of them have been the threat. That's a nice, well documented clusterfuck, as far as I care | 10:20 |
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| Stskeeps | ick, polish president plane in crash | 10:46 |
| pupnik | politicians and airline safety dont seem to mix well inm any way | 10:47 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: was he inside? | 10:48 |
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| nidO | seems so | 10:50 |
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| kamui__ | yea | 10:52 |
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| LuciusMare | Hi, is there a way how to manually set the focus, etc? Autofocus seems to fail, it always skips the "right" focus, and stays where it's blur... | 11:02 |
| Chiku|dc | semi push the button? | 11:03 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:04 |
| LuciusMare | then it tries to autofocus | 11:04 |
| LuciusMare | Jaffa: morning | 11:04 |
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| Chiku|dc | autofocus for good distance then you can move it | 11:05 |
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| Chiku|dc | then it's not more autofocus for same distance | 11:06 |
| LuciusMare | hm :) | 11:06 |
| RST38h | gooooooooood | 11:07 |
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| LuciusMare | RST38h: whaaaaaaat? | 11:08 |
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| LuciusMare | whoops | 11:08 |
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| crashanddie | lmao | 11:26 |
| crashanddie | virgin galactic, one of the companies that offers space travel, only offers one solution for people who need to go to the loo during the 4h flight... | 11:26 |
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| crashanddie | nappies | 11:26 |
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| crashanddie | the coder in me dies a little: http://pastebin.com/7MBdFjLQ | 11:28 |
| pupnik | can i get something like a beagleboard with omap4430 or equivalent yet? | 11:28 |
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| lbt | crashanddie: java does that to you | 11:29 |
| crashanddie | lbt: not my code, btw | 11:29 |
| RST38h | Ah, how convenient | 11:31 |
| RST38h | The Tentacled One has been really creative today. Must be the good weather. | 11:32 |
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| crashanddie | RST38h: hmm? | 11:34 |
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| RST38h | crashanddie: His Tentacledness offed the Polish president with his full entourage (132 people), in Russian airspace, flying a Russian made plane, flying to perform a memorial service at the mass Polish grave | 11:36 |
| crashanddie | Tentacledness? | 11:37 |
| nidO | or, more accurately, 85 people on the plane died when the pilot hit some trees while coming in to land. | 11:37 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: 500 meters from the airstrip. Can you imagine all the conspiracy theories that are going to bloom now? =) | 11:37 |
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| RST38h | nid0: latest count is 132 | 11:37 |
| crashanddie | Yay, Greece is broke | 11:38 |
| nidO | latest count everywhere i can see is 85 delegates, 2 pilots | 11:38 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: yes, but that is coming later this year =) | 11:38 |
| RST38h | nid0: Oh well, 40 people either way do not make much of a difference in this case | 11:38 |
| crashanddie | lol... They're at BBB- | 11:38 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: that's one status above most african states | 11:39 |
| crashanddie | (credit rating) | 11:39 |
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| RST38h | crashanddie: Can you imagine, we are going there for a vacation this summer! | 11:40 |
| pupnik | greek govt != greece :) | 11:40 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: If we are real lucky, may get to participate in rioting! | 11:40 |
| lbt | hmmph... looks like the spammers have sorted out greylisting | 11:40 |
| pupnik | i say next maemo summit at my place | 11:41 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Sure about it? Greece is gonna be real cheap this fall... | 11:41 |
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| pupnik | maybe if we travel in well armed packs | 11:44 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: Ah come one, judging from the last time, it is gonna be students, mostly | 11:44 |
| pupnik | :) jk | 11:44 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Stay away from large university centers, and you will be ok | 11:44 |
| red | greece <3 | 11:45 |
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| * RST38h wonders how it is going to work: If Greece had its own currency, the effect would be well known. But they are using euros. How is this one going to work out? | 11:48 | |
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| noexperience | good evening everyone, I have no experience whatsoever in programming. However, since we are playing bingo at work (for everyday that there is no injury, $1 dollar gets added to a pot) and the person that gets BINGO gets to win that pot of money. I'd like to make a program that will work on my n900. I have some very faint linux knowledge, I know how to compile a kernel, know how to use the command line. I just have never tried to deal with C++ or python or | 11:56 |
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| noexperience | probably something very easy for some of you guys, but I'd like some pointers, perhaps some web tutorials on how to start programming with the specific goal to be able to come up with some bingo app for the n900. Any help here is appreciated! | 11:58 |
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| RST38h | noexperience: I suggest you learn to program in C, C++, or Python first. On your desktop. | 12:00 |
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| RST38h | noexperience: google for "python programming beginners" for example | 12:00 |
| nidO | noexperience: also read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39879 | 12:00 |
| noexperience | RST38h: Yeah, I figured I might have to do that. | 12:00 |
| nidO | itll run you through the basics of python and qt in a 30 minute guide | 12:01 |
| trumee | damn, getting sip to work over openvpn on n900 is difficult. | 12:01 |
| noexperience | RST38h: nidO thank you very much. I'm assuming. is it easy to implement images into like a phthon script? or should i just make "tables/cells" with the bingo numbers in them? | 12:01 |
| noexperience | nidO: bookmarked :D | 12:01 |
| trumee | i dont want to use sip in public wifi without vpn as it is so insecure :( | 12:02 |
| nidO | either way is doable. that thread is only a hello world, but itll give you all the pieces of writing a pyqt app and getting it working, from then you just need to actually learn the python to code | 12:02 |
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| trumee | anybody has working steup on sip over openvpn? | 12:02 |
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| RST38h | noexperience: you should learn programming before thinking of how you are going to implement it | 12:03 |
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| noexperience | RST38h: I think it'll be some time for me before I'll get a bingo app up but I'll definitely be looking into that. I want to learn on how to program. | 12:04 |
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| trumee | i am stuck, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=603336&postcount=35 | 12:05 |
| RST38h | nid0: Ok, total count 132, 87 dead, and it is not clear why they say that "everybody is dead" with these numbers. | 12:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | Some of the unimportant people might have survived. | 12:07 |
| shvedsky | I doubt that they really had the time to count survivors. | 12:08 |
| shvedsky | misunderstanding perhaps | 12:08 |
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| TomaszD | *sigh* | 12:10 |
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| * Noobmonk3y waves | 12:10 | |
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| trumee | if there would have been a freepbx for freesiwtch, i would have dumped asterisk. freeswitch has encryption support unlike asterisk. | 12:10 |
| trumee | is it possible to produce a debug file for the sip client in n900. atleast that will say something about why it doesnt want to connect to the asterisk server. | 12:12 |
| * Noobmonk3y thinks it is almost time for a bbq on the beach....... | 12:13 | |
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| noexperience | RST38h: nidO thanks again. Time for me to start reading now. | 12:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | trumee: tcpdump? | 12:17 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, overclock the N900 and turn on joikuspot | 12:17 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: guess, need to try that. i am hoping somebody with more knowledge about openvpn could help me. | 12:17 |
| MohammadAG | portable grill ftw | 12:17 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol......!!! thought so! | 12:18 |
| Noobmonk3y | cooked n900 mmmmmmmm lovely | 12:18 |
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| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, it's also a portable heater | 12:19 |
| Noobmonk3y | haha :) dual purpose! i like! | 12:20 |
| nidO | mmm, food | 12:20 |
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| adalal | jacekowski: are you there? | 12:33 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | I see there is python-twitter and python-facebook but no python-orkut. Should I use the opensocial API or opensocial is not meant to standalone log in and get details about contacts in orkut? | 13:09 |
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| Jaffa | ptl_demands_PR12: Someone's been looking at that for Hermes. Some sites aren't going to have freebie libraries I can reuse | 13:28 |
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| Jaffa | GAN900: ping (or anyone else) know where there's a set of high quality logos for maemo.org so I don't have to edit the site's graphics? | 13:29 |
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| Termana | Jaffa: 1589 x 206? | 13:33 |
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| Jaffa | Termana: Anything | 13:34 |
| trumee | is there any dbus script to reset the call timers? | 13:34 |
| Termana | Jaffa: http://static.maemo.org/static/8/82d73d94951e11ddb7a5dd6c726a1e031e03_maemo_org_logo.png | 13:34 |
| Jaffa | Termana: Thanks! | 13:34 |
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| trumee | i can see a dbus command for clearing gprs counters, but nothing for call timer | 13:34 |
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| trumee | i want to setup a cron to clear the call timer each month so that i dont go above my limit of free minutes. | 13:35 |
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| trumee | fcron is so nice btw, feel right at home with it! | 13:37 |
| nidO | trumee: which network? | 13:37 |
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| trumee | nidO: three in the UK | 13:37 |
| nidO | does 3 not have the option to setup allowance alerts? | 13:37 |
| trumee | nidO: oh yes i used to have while on a yearly contract plan, but stupid company dont do that on simfree plan | 13:38 |
| nidO | doh | 13:38 |
| * Shapeshifter would like ncmpcpp on his n900 but is too lazy to make a package ;) | 13:38 | |
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| * Shapeshifter uses ssh instead and just runs it on the mpd server itself. (the joys of linux!) | 13:51 | |
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| papo | hi | 13:55 |
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| papo | I'm wondering whether I can import routes into the "map" application on my n900 | 13:55 |
| papo | or some other application | 13:55 |
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| papo | I have this KML with a trail I'd like to check out this afternoon but I fail to import it | 13:58 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | Jaffa: ok, thanks. You mean with Orkut we'll have to do screen scraping? | 14:27 |
| Jaffa | ptl_demands_PR12: No, I've been led to believe there's an API | 14:27 |
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| * VDVsx yawns :0 | 14:29 | |
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| RST38h | vdvsx moo | 14:33 |
| * VDVsx moooss at RST38h :) | 14:33 | |
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| jacekowski | morning | 14:36 |
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| RST38h | Ahha, the body count stabilizes at 96. | 14:40 |
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| RST38h | VDVsx: Hey, I followed your request and registered with GSoC. What exactly do you want me to do now? Vote for projects? | 14:40 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, yes, I'll send instructions today :) | 14:42 |
| cotigao | hi | 14:42 |
| * VDVsx curses the Finnish kb in the n900 :Grrr | 14:43 | |
| RST38h | How come you have got one with .fi keyboard, anyway? | 14:43 |
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| RST38h | moo rm_you | 14:44 |
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| VDVsx | RST38h, well, dunno, could't get one with US/UK kb :D | 14:45 |
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| RST38h | evil | 14:47 |
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| * Arkenoi got yet another strange problem with "cyrillic_be" on four-arrows keyboard (it is combined with left arrow there). if word autocompletion is on, i have to press it twice! | 14:50 | |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: what exactly is a cyrillic four-arrows keyboard? | 14:52 |
| * RST38h has never seen this one | 14:52 | |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, so-called "non-rostest", i got one with my new phone, i think i like it more than two-arrows as i never get problems with games | 14:53 |
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| FIQ | i've forgotten how to put easy debian programs in fullscreen | 14:54 |
| FIQ | so well, how did i do it? :p | 14:54 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Yes, but what country are they made for??? | 14:54 |
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| FIQ | nvm | 14:55 |
| Arkenoi | rst38h: don't know, i guess someone simply had drawn a sketch and ordered it from china, it is not an official thing | 14:56 |
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| Arkenoi | as i told before phones that are sold with that one even do not have correct keyboard mapping file inside | 14:56 |
| Arkenoi | i had to load it by myself | 14:56 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: holy shit | 14:58 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: are you sure it is a real n900? =) | 14:58 |
| RST38h | heya javispedro | 14:58 |
| javispedro | morning | 14:58 |
| Arkenoi | rst38h: actually it is better than "real one" i had | 14:58 |
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| Arkenoi | mechanics are significanlty improved | 14:59 |
| Arkenoi | and i guess "rogue" warranty is better than official nokia one just because there could be nothing worse | 15:01 |
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| Arkenoi | and it costs $630 instead of $850 | 15:02 |
| Surfa | do you actually believe that yourself? | 15:02 |
| Arkenoi | which part? | 15:02 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: gotta see it to believe it =) | 15:03 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Does the Ctrl+Space switch work? It does not work on UK/US models, even if you select Russian as the second language | 15:03 |
| Arkenoi | rst38h: np | 15:03 |
| Arkenoi | yes, it works | 15:03 |
| RST38h | coool | 15:03 |
| Arkenoi | actually it is middle east model with replaced keyboard mat | 15:03 |
| RST38h | Interesting... | 15:04 |
| * Arkenoi wonders if those $470 n900's from price.ru are real | 15:05 | |
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| * RST38h wonders how much Nokia should screw up to force resellers order CUSTOM KEYBOARD MATS for its phones | 15:09 | |
| pupnik | somebody buy one :) | 15:09 |
| pupnik | i have to say hooray to barcelona | 15:09 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, just more incentive to get used to it! | 15:09 |
| lcuk | hey RST38h pupnik | 15:10 |
| RST38h | I mean, couldn't all these mighty Nokian UX designers figure out that their keyboard layouts (2 arrows, all letters mixed) are crap? | 15:10 |
| RST38h | EHLO lcuk | 15:10 |
| javispedro | aha, world war 3 | 15:11 |
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| RST38h | javis: what? again? | 15:11 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, I still have one with normal kb, hard decision now :D | 15:11 |
| Arkenoi | rst38: given generic ones are available at finnish internet stores for eur.14 , i wonder WHY russian guys did go that way | 15:11 |
| * javispedro is tricked by todays news into a flash video, which causes browserd to crash, causing him to lose a 1000 word email | 15:11 | |
| Arkenoi | 14, not .14 ;-) | 15:12 |
| * javispedro rm -f libflashplugin.so | 15:12 | |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Well, UK/US kbds do not have cyrillic labels and RU kbds are just plain uncomfortable | 15:12 |
| lcuk | javispedro, thats your problem | 15:12 |
| RST38h | So, I can see why they ordered custom mats | 15:12 |
| frals | VDVsx: the fi/se keyboard is the *normal* kb ;) | 15:12 |
| lcuk | 1000 word emails should be deleted | 15:12 |
| VDVsx | frals, NO!!! | 15:13 |
| * RST38h asks the Tentacled One to do something about frals | 15:13 | |
| lcuk | oled can be put onto flexible substrate cant it | 15:13 |
| javispedro | lcuk :) | 15:13 |
| RST38h | Yes, I understand He is busy feasting on various Polish dignitaries right now, but still... | 15:14 |
| javispedro | he always has time for the finnish doesn't him | 15:14 |
| frals | pretty good move flying president and a bunch of other big shots in the government in a plane from the 60s | 15:14 |
| frals | in the *same* plane | 15:15 |
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| jacekowski | i'm not sure if you know that most of plane that airlines have now are at least 20 years old | 15:15 |
| RST38h | frals: Oh, it apparently gets funnier | 15:15 |
| jacekowski | and designs are even older | 15:15 |
| RST38h | frals: The ATC offered them to land in Minsk or Moscow, due to heavy fog in Smolensk | 15:15 |
| javispedro | yeah, they should always fleet a private plane for each of those! | 15:15 |
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| RST38h | frals: They refused. Made 4 (four!) attempts at landing, crashed at the last attempt | 15:15 |
| frals | RST38h: he, pretty bad :< | 15:16 |
| lcuk | well i didnt expect them to crash, then carry on to make further attempts | 15:16 |
| frals | lol lcuk | 15:16 |
| lcuk | :S tis a bad day | 15:16 |
| RST38h | frals: So, in short, they have been working on this =) | 15:16 |
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| jacekowski | besides, what happened? | 15:16 |
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| lcuk | rst i didnt know about the refusal to transfer | 15:17 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: rbc.ru has some statements from the Smolensk ATC, not sure how truthful | 15:18 |
| javispedro | reuters also said among those lines | 15:19 |
| javispedro | 4 times then crashes with a ... tree (cue conspiracy theories) | 15:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | Too many poles on one side of the plane leads to instability. | 15:20 |
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| lcuk | :S | 15:20 |
| lcuk | trees are stubborn | 15:21 |
| javispedro | clearly, the explosion was from the inside! | 15:21 |
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| * lcuk >> easter fair with kids | 15:22 | |
| lcuk | back later | 15:22 |
| javispedro | cya | 15:22 |
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| jacekowski | it's probably prime minister that sabotaged that plane | 15:26 |
| jacekowski | hoping that he will became president | 15:26 |
| RST38h | jacekowski: Ok, send him over with the next plane. | 15:26 |
| * javispedro remembers when we nearly had something like because some retard used a private helicopter to commute, daily. | 15:30 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Nothing wrong with that. | 15:38 |
| SpeedEvil | (private helicopter) | 15:38 |
| SpeedEvil | If you're competant. | 15:38 |
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| * ShadowJK wants to try flying one | 15:58 | |
| jacekowski | as a pilot? | 15:58 |
| jacekowski | in the end basic rules why it flies are simple | 15:59 |
| jacekowski | as autopilot can fly it | 15:59 |
| jonne | is the new Firefox beta out yet? I remember reading about it coming out yesterday or something, but i can't find a package anywhere | 15:59 |
| jacekowski | chromium is out | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | VDVsx: (kbd) http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=n900&x=0&y=0 | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo btw | 16:01 |
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| VDVsx | DocScrutinizer, lol, nice :) | 16:02 |
| ech0Asus | how to clear MMS history? I have old MMS's that are from another sim card that I can't delete.. | 16:03 |
| ech0Asus | in fMMS? Any ideas? | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | VDVsx: http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4575_Original-Nokia-N900-Keypad-QWERTY--english-.html | 16:03 |
| RST38h | jonne: they will release it as soon as it finishes scrolling to the end of the slashdot thread about its own release | 16:04 |
| ech0Asus | i think its trying to delete them off tmo's server | 16:04 |
| RST38h | jonne: which should take a few more hours, unless it still hangs n900 so hard that it does not even try to charge when fennec is running | 16:04 |
| jonne | umm, ok... | 16:05 |
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| frals | ech0Asus: fMMS doesnt care what sim card was in when the message was sent, it should delete it regardless | 16:16 |
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| ech0Asus | fails to delete any messages i've recieved and wont open any either lol | 16:17 |
| frals | send me the logfile | 16:17 |
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| frals | <myircnick>@frals.se | 16:17 |
| ech0Asus | seems to just crash now when i open fmms too | 16:17 |
| ech0Asus | dunno what happened now | 16:17 |
| ech0Asus | yeah just closes on its own now grr | 16:18 |
| ech0Asus | where do i find this logfile? | 16:18 |
| frals | /tmp/fmms.log | 16:18 |
| ech0Asus | k i will pastebin it | 16:18 |
| frals | the fact that it crashes on launch is probably because youre running 0.6.1 | 16:18 |
| frals | i fuckedu p with x-osso-service so it doesnt kill the app properly | 16:18 |
| frals | if you launch it from terminal it should work (/opt/fmms/fmms_gui.py) | 16:18 |
| ech0Asus | it was workin a second ago i sent my first mms | 16:19 |
| ech0Asus | lol | 16:19 |
| ech0Asus | i dunno i haven't change anything.. | 16:19 |
| ech0Asus | sent a reply back | 16:19 |
| frals | yeah after the sender sends a message successfully it breaks :p | 16:19 |
| ech0Asus | ah ok | 16:19 |
| ech0Asus | yeah i sent a reply | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | just hits my mind: if OC damage was a mere thermal issue, then TI for sure hadn't specified MTBF for clockfrequency but rather for coretemperature | 16:19 |
| frals | ive fixed it in 0.6.2 but the package promoter seems fubar | 16:19 |
| ech0Asus | ok grabbing the log now | 16:20 |
| frals | X-Fade: package importer seems broke for -devel: http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmms/ | 16:20 |
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| ech0Asus | have no files in /tmp/ | 16:22 |
| frals | did you just reboot? | 16:22 |
| ech0Asus | not that im aware of | 16:22 |
| ech0Asus | its been charging all night | 16:22 |
| ech0Asus | been on.. | 16:23 |
| frals | should be plenty of files /tmp/ | 16:23 |
| ech0Asus | i have nothing lol | 16:23 |
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| ech0Asus | its empty folder | 16:23 |
| RST38h | DocScrut: that is not given | 16:23 |
| frals | no idea then im afraid :P | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: not? | 16:24 |
| RST38h | DocScrut: In fact, there may be multiple reasons not to overclock (timings go haywire, battery drains faster, chip itself degrades with time, either from higher temperature or higher voltage) | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 16:24 |
| RST38h | DocScrut: TI is not really obligated to inform you of the exact reason | 16:24 |
| RST38h | DocScrut: All they say - "don't" | 16:25 |
| ech0Asus | what do i do to fix it's crashing? is there an updated version out? | 16:25 |
| RST38h | DocScrut: Intel does it a bit differently nowadays, by defining thermal profiles, but that is mostly because its CPUs get so freaking hot | 16:25 |
| frals | ech0Asus: yes, but its not in the repo yet for some reason | 16:26 |
| RST38h | DocScrut: TI just says "don't". | 16:26 |
| ech0Asus | on the garage site? | 16:26 |
| frals | you can manually kill it from xterm; ps a|grep fmms | 16:26 |
| frals | and then kill fmms_gui.py | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiu the posts here (lazy ass not checked ds myself) TI said 'MTBF 500years on 400MHz, 200h on 750MHz' or similar | 16:26 |
| frals | which will let you launch it from the app menu again | 16:26 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: temperature is related to frequency | 16:26 |
| ShadowJK | jacekowski, yes as pilot | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: yeah, and also to weather in my pocket. If it was a mere thermal issue, why would TI introduce undetermined factors and state MTBF for different freq rather than temp? | 16:27 |
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| jacekowski | i'm just saying that there is relation between frequency and other factors that decrease MTBF | 16:28 |
| jacekowski | like higher currents, voltage and temperature | 16:28 |
| ShadowJK | jacekowski, and sure, theory is simple, but so is the theory behind balancing a soccer ball ontop of a 10 metre pole in the wind | 16:28 |
| ech0Asus | does recieving MMS function or just sending? | 16:29 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: little bit of glue | 16:29 |
| ShadowJK | no glue | 16:29 |
| ech0Asus | i've recieved but was never able to open any | 16:29 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: but i mean, computer can fly it | 16:29 |
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| jacekowski | ShadowJK: i think most of pilot training is dealing with non standard situations | 16:30 |
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| ech0Asus | frals, thanks for your time i appreciate it. will bbl and will keep an eye out for the update. | 16:30 |
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| ShadowJK | jacekowski, when you've got forward speed in a helicopter, it flies like a badly trimmed airplane, and any autopilot would keep it in the air | 16:31 |
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| ShadowJK | most of the training is spent on hovering :) | 16:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: see, current into a chip pin is a function of voltage, but nobody would specify the current @6V for ABS MAX RATING when the chip actually breaks at 6V and not at a certain current | 16:32 |
| jacekowski | and i suppose it's a lot about airplane/helicopter specific things | 16:32 |
| jacekowski | like where is your landing gear switch | 16:32 |
| * ShadowJK has seen videos where an instructor on the ground walks up under the chopper and pulls on the skids, and the chopper flew off to the side about 50m :) | 16:33 | |
| frals | ech0Asus: both send and recv should work, seems to work for most people anyway ;) np | 16:33 |
| trumee | i did "apt-get install bounce" and now get a "E2: Handler silently failed", what does that mean? | 16:34 |
| ShadowJK | Maybe it'd be easier to start with a remote controlled heli, they have gyros feeding servos for extra stability :) | 16:35 |
| ShadowJK | So that centering controls essentially mean "hold attitude" | 16:35 |
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| jacekowski | ShadowJK: i used to play with one | 16:36 |
| trumee | ah, means it is in ovi. cool | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG | trumee, Nokia broke apt, you can build and compile an old version of apt to make it work again | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: and quite obviously so because I = U * R and you don't know R for sure. Absolutely similarly Temp = Voltage * (freq * const-current/freq) * thermal-resistence_chip2environment, where you don't know at least the 3rd factor | 16:37 |
| jacekowski | and i was thinking about buying one but costs were to high to my budget at the time | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG | you can't download from Ovi/Joiku repos without using the app manager | 16:37 |
| jacekowski | and now i'm too old for that | 16:37 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: yup, i am getting it from ovi store. | 16:37 |
| ShadowJK | try R-22 in flightgear :) | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG | (or using an old version of apt with a changed version number) | 16:37 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: also autorotation | 16:38 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: quadcopter | 16:38 |
| trumee | anybody bought the laser cut stand. i received mine today. Looks good, but my N900 is in a case and it slips on the stand :( | 16:38 |
| * SpeedEvil has a design for a hoverboard. | 16:38 | |
| SpeedEvil | 1*1m, 80Kg, ~4Km max altitude. | 16:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Only 5 min endurance though | 16:39 |
| SpeedEvil | ~$60000 | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | err I = U / R , sorry ;-P | 16:39 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, I've succesfully autorotated R22, Lynx, bo105 and ec135 in flightgear | 16:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: fun. | 16:39 |
| SpeedEvil | (strictly a paper design - lots of fast discharge li-ion cells, and little ducted fan units. | 16:40 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders if you could cut grass when setting a heli into motor-driven + "autorotate" negative hoover rotor setting, while on ground | 16:44 | |
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| trumee | guys, in a public wifi is using gmail and gtalk secure? | 16:45 |
| trumee | i would dare note use my sip connection though. | 16:46 |
| Jaffa | trumee: Gmail has an "always use HTTPS" option | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, centrifugal forces stabilize rotor blades enough to lift a whole heli. should do enough of stabilizing to keep them from hitting ground on negative hoover | 16:46 |
| luke-jr | trumee: using g* is never secure | 16:46 |
| trumee | and yes i meant gmail via modest. | 16:46 |
| trumee | luke-jr: what do you mean? | 16:47 |
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| luke-jr | trumee: I mean Google can and does look at your content | 16:47 |
| trumee | luke-jr: ah! i am more worried about script junkies rather than google :) | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: as can everybody in internet basically | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | mails are like postcards (probably I'm not the first who told you) | 16:48 |
| luke-jr | for gmail, anything leaving/coming outside Google is plaintext anyway | 16:48 |
| trumee | so gmail/gtalk password cannot be retrieved by wireshark? | 16:48 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, in many choppers actually an unloaded disc would shred the tailboom :) | 16:48 |
| luke-jr | gtalk might be somewhat secure if you trust Google | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: heh :-P | 16:49 |
| luke-jr | trumee: even with a plaintext link, the password should be hashed | 16:49 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, typically rotor blades are mounted on hinges | 16:49 |
| trumee | luke-jr: so for gmail, the authentication is secure, but email is plain-text? | 16:49 |
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| ech0Asus | rofl 600$ phone 10$ internet plan | 16:50 |
| ShadowJK | On a typical chopper the chopper basically hangs/swings freely under the rotordisc... | 16:50 |
| ech0Asus | cause im hood rich | 16:51 |
| ech0Asus | haha | 16:51 |
| ech0Asus | reminds me of that dumb song big tymers put out | 16:51 |
| ShadowJK | So when inverted the body would fall to one side.. | 16:51 |
| luke-jr | ech0Asus: $10 internet plan? where? | 16:51 |
| ech0Asus | luke u have to kinda lie to tmobile but it works | 16:52 |
| luke-jr | ... | 16:52 |
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| ech0Asus | ok sign up for 29$ plan with them, even more plus 500... | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: ask SpeedEvil | 16:52 |
| ech0Asus | then once u sign up for that in the store... | 16:52 |
| ech0Asus | u can take ur phone and go to there site | 16:52 |
| ech0Asus | and add 10$ internet | 16:52 |
| luke-jr | that's not $10, that's $39 | 16:53 |
| ech0Asus | and it works | 16:53 |
| ech0Asus | k well its 10 instead of 25/30 | 16:53 |
| ech0Asus | for dumb phones | 16:53 |
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| ShadowJK | There are exceptions, bo105 has extra strong blades made from titanium iirc, and not mounted o hinges.. as a result it's extremely agile because the disc has direct influence over the chopper's attitude... Red bull uses it for aerobatics.. Downside is that it's so noisy in hover that nobody wants to fly it :( | 16:53 |
| ech0Asus | but is same speeds | 16:53 |
| ech0Asus | u just tell the site u use an older nokia phone | 16:53 |
| ech0Asus | have tested and is same speeds | 16:53 |
| ech0Asus | only difference is price u pay monthly | 16:53 |
| luke-jr | do you have to say you use an older phone, or simply that you want service *for* an older phone? | 16:54 |
| ech0Asus | find unlimited 3g for less then 40 with no contract lol | 16:54 |
| luke-jr | find unlimited 3G period.. | 16:54 |
| ech0Asus | mines unlimited | 16:54 |
| luke-jr | also, I don't mind contracts. :p | 16:55 |
| luke-jr | ech0Asus: nonsense | 16:55 |
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| * ShadowJK has 5megabit/s 3g for 10euro per month | 16:55 | |
| ech0Asus | i have no limit i keep goin | 16:55 |
| ShadowJK | I don't know where the limit is, one month I used 60 gigs | 16:55 |
| luke-jr | O.o | 16:55 |
| ech0Asus | as much as it can download it keeps goins | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: you by any incidence heard what became of the heli-'bike' backpack one-seat dual-disk coax heli (diameter like 3 meters, coax dual disk, 4 motorbike motors)? | 16:56 |
| ShadowJK | i rememberm seeing it, but that's all | 16:56 |
| ech0Asus | when u go in the store, they don't set the phone on ur account cause its a n900 | 16:56 |
| ech0Asus | they leave it blank | 16:56 |
| ech0Asus | u set the phone u have when u leave the store on there site | 16:56 |
| ech0Asus | set it as older nokia | 16:56 |
| ech0Asus | and u can then get 10$ internet a month lol | 16:56 |
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| ech0Asus | no bullshit i had the other unlimited talk text web.. same speeds | 16:57 |
| embedded | hi all | 16:58 |
| ech0Asus | i still got my old sim card too and the 3g still works for some reason though the phones service has been cut off | 16:58 |
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| ech0Asus | can use skype with it lol | 16:58 |
| luke-jr | ech0Asus: but in selecting an old phone, are you saying "I will use this phone" or "I want service for this phone"? | 16:59 |
| ech0Asus | no your not saying u will use that phone or u want service for that phone, just that you have it and want to adjust features of your service based on having that phone. | 16:59 |
| jacekowski | ech0Asus: t-mobile has unlimited internet with monthly contract for £10 | 16:59 |
| jacekowski | and o2 has same thing as well | 17:00 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: UK != US | 17:00 |
| ech0Asus | this is with no contract tho | 17:00 |
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| luke-jr | ech0Asus: so "I have this phone"? | 17:00 |
| jacekowski | i'm just making him jealous | 17:00 |
| jacekowski | that we have better offers here | 17:00 |
| ech0Asus | luke i'll pull what phone u should tell them u have | 17:00 |
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| luke-jr | ech0Asus: I'm not willing to lie. | 17:01 |
| ech0Asus | k then don't lie lol | 17:01 |
| ech0Asus | i didn't lie i just clicked the wrong phone opps | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: ask SpeedEvil | 17:01 |
| ech0Asus | i only saw nokia i dunno what all those numbers were | 17:01 |
| ech0Asus | rofl | 17:01 |
| trumee | jacekowski: are O2 and t-mobile allow sip calls on their network? | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: aah sorry, thought you say you're UK | 17:02 |
| jacekowski | trumee: depends according to t&c no | 17:02 |
| jacekowski | trumee: but it's working | 17:02 |
| ech0Asus | if u go into the store they'll tell u, u have a smart phone and it's 25 or 30 a month for unlimited internet for ur phone... | 17:02 |
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| trumee | jacekowski: Three are better in that respect. The encourage voip use. | 17:03 |
| jacekowski | but the thing is that it doesn't matter for them | 17:03 |
| trumee | jacekowski: although they dont like tethering, but it works nonetheless. | 17:04 |
| luke-jr | ech0Asus: there's no $29/mo plan | 17:04 |
| jacekowski | because that £10 contract comes with 100 minutes | 17:04 |
| jacekowski | and £25 with 600 | 17:04 |
| ech0Asus | luke its the even more plus 500 minutes plan its 29 a month | 17:04 |
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| jacekowski | which is why nobody is using voip | 17:04 |
| jacekowski | because it's easier to just call | 17:04 |
| fuz_ | frals: are you here? i've got the same problem you had yesterday with 0 length list with libosso-abook | 17:04 |
| frals | yeah im here | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: O2-Germany works with SIP | 17:05 |
| luke-jr | ech0Asus: Even More 500 Talk is $39.99/mo | 17:05 |
| frals | you need to wait for the aggregator to be ready before it can return anything | 17:05 |
| ech0Asus | not unless they uped it over night | 17:05 |
| trumee | is it possible to do PageUp and get command history in N900 shell? I miss that feature in the shell. | 17:05 |
| jacekowski | trumee: why would use use voip on mible? | 17:05 |
| frals | no idea how to do that properly thou, but i saw some wait_for_aggregator() or something in the api refs | 17:05 |
| jacekowski | mobile* | 17:06 |
| ShadowJK | you can do arrow-up for command history | 17:06 |
| ech0Asus | is here.. http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/plans/cell-phone-plans-detail.aspx?tp=tb1&rateplan=Even-More-Plus-500-Talk | 17:06 |
| trumee | jacekowski: why not? to save on international calls. i only use mobile for national calls. For overseas i always use sip. | 17:06 |
| jacekowski | trumee: international calls are cheap as well | 17:06 |
| fuz_ | frals: and did you make it work ? | 17:07 |
| trumee | jacekowski: my friends have sip devices overseas so the calls are free!! | 17:07 |
| ech0Asus | luke, read this http://www.amazon.com/N900-Unlimited-your-TMOBILE-account/forum/Fx142MGT58JRKRB/Tx9NUZNDZETK5N/1?_encoding=UTF8&asin=B002OB49SW | 17:07 |
| frals | fuz_: either way i redid my code so i didnt have to use the OssoABookAggregator; http://irc.frals.se/maemo/abook.c, which is what i was after, cant use the list_all_contacts thou | 17:07 |
| jacekowski | trumee: i mean like 1p per minute | 17:07 |
| trumee | jacekowski: free >>> cheap! | 17:07 |
| jacekowski | trumee: but you have to pay monthly fee to voip provider | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | 5GB 3G plus ~90min worth credit for 'normal calls and SMS' @ 30EUR *payg* on O2-LOOP | 17:07 |
| trumee | jacekowski: nope, that is free as well if you dont have DID. and btw i run my own asterisk server :) | 17:08 |
| fuz_ | but you get Econtact and not OssoAbookContact | 17:08 |
| jacekowski | trumee: so who give free international calls? | 17:08 |
| frals | yeah, its good enough for me | 17:08 |
| frals | as i just needed a working testcase to search by phonenumber | 17:08 |
| trumee | jacekowski: no not free pstn calls rather free sip calls. | 17:08 |
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| fuz_ | (i'd like to play with master / roster contacts links) | 17:08 |
| frals | i think what you need to do is use: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libosso-abook/libosso-abook-osso-abook-waitable.html | 17:09 |
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| jacekowski | trumee: i know | 17:09 |
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| jacekowski | trumee: i'm confused now | 17:09 |
| frals | and then wait for the aggregator to be ready, and it "should" work i assume | 17:09 |
| jacekowski | trumee: so you don't have free international pstn calls via sip? | 17:09 |
| fuz_ | frals : ok thanks a lot | 17:09 |
| trumee | jacekowski: no i dont. | 17:09 |
| frals | fuz_: np, hope you get it to work :) | 17:10 |
| jacekowski | trumee: so why don't you just use jabber? | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | SIP is 'free' if your peer is with same provider. N900 SIP client does not support direct-P2P-SIP :-S | 17:10 |
| fuz_ | i'll tell you :) | 17:10 |
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| jacekowski | trumee: it's better protocol that doesn't have problems with tunneling and etc | 17:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well would be hard with 3G anyway, as usually you can't run services to the real internet | 17:11 |
| trumee | jacekowski: the way i operate is mobile ->my asterisk box->remote sip device. That way i only pay for local mobile tarrif | 17:11 |
| jacekowski | trumee: and supports im as well | 17:11 |
| fuz_ | i wish osso-abook had better samples & doc (i just want to get a list of contacts, that should be easy) | 17:11 |
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| jacekowski | trumee: remote sip device is where/ | 17:11 |
| jacekowski | trumee: and where are you? | 17:11 |
| trumee | jacekowski:you need to do some reading :) | 17:12 |
| jacekowski | no i'm just confused by your overcomplicated setup | 17:12 |
| jacekowski | i've got 1p per minute calls abroad | 17:12 |
| jacekowski | and free calls in UK | 17:13 |
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| trumee | jacekowski: if it works for you. great. | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got a landline (aka geographic) number with free inbound calls on my N810 for years now -> sipgate.de | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | not friggin own asterisk, no overcomplicated setup | 17:14 |
| jacekowski | to be honest jabber with libjingle is much better protocol than any sip configuration | 17:14 |
| luke-jr | meh | 17:14 |
| luke-jr | IAX anyone? | 17:14 |
| jacekowski | mostly because everybody has gmail account | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | IAX is a brainfuck | 17:15 |
| trumee | jacekowski: yup, buy on the remote end you need a computer the. not everybody own a N900. | 17:15 |
| jacekowski | trumee: or jabber phone | 17:15 |
| luke-jr | Jabber != Jingle | 17:15 |
| trumee | jacekowski: on the other hand PAP2 is only £20 (chinese make) and connects to a real phone. | 17:15 |
| luke-jr | also, Google Talk is not compatible with the Jingle standard | 17:15 |
| jacekowski | trumee: same for jungle | 17:16 |
| jacekowski | jingle | 17:16 |
| trumee | jacekowski: much easier to understand for normal people. | 17:16 |
| Robot101 | not that it matters, N900 implements both | 17:16 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: it is | 17:16 |
| Robot101 | (not using libjingle either, actually) | 17:16 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: since when? | 17:16 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: that standard was designed by google | 17:16 |
| Robot101 | jacekowski: he's right, it's not. but its OK, the N900 speaks like 5 variants of the protocol :P | 17:16 |
| trumee | jacekowski: i have never come across a jabber phone. any links? | 17:16 |
| Robot101 | trumee: the N900! :) | 17:16 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: no, the pre-draft was designed by Google | 17:16 |
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| trumee | jacekowski: is there a cheap hardware device which speeks jabber? | 17:17 |
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| jacekowski | trumee: let me find it | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | hooray, 5 variants of a protocol. That's what I call a decent *standard* :-P | 17:19 |
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| jacekowski | can't find it now | 17:19 |
| jacekowski | but there was one made by some french company | 17:20 |
| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: google forked their own protocol, so there is libjingle 3 and libjingle 4 variants :) | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | bah | 17:21 |
| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: actually google video is a fork of libjingle 3, which was pretty clever IMO | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | what counts are gateways | 17:21 |
| trumee | jacekowski: ah! if you search for sip hardware devices, there will be shit loads!!! | 17:21 |
| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: then we support standard jingle from 3 years ago, which is what the N800 and N810 use | 17:21 |
| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: and the current jingle standard too | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | SIP<->POTS gw probably >>10^4 worldwide, Jabber<->POTS ???? | 17:21 |
| jacekowski | that's a marked that i'm going to fill | 17:22 |
| jacekowski | market* | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/POTS/PSTN/g | 17:22 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: SIP<->PSTN gw probably >>10^4 worldwide, Jabber<->PSTN ???? | 17:22 |
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| jacekowski | simple SoC, wifi, ethernet | 17:23 |
| jacekowski | i could possibly hack pap2t | 17:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | where's the jabber provider offering a geographical landline number +49911xxxxxx for free? | 17:23 |
| Fredrik1994 | I've played a bit with Hedgewars and managed to get it install within Maemo. However, when I try to start a game, i get the "in game" message in the frontend, but hwengine never starts. Someone that could explain why? | 17:23 |
| Fredrik1994 | I get the same problem if I install hedgewars through Debian ARM - but not when I use Debian LXDE (but that makes hedgewars _really_ slow) | 17:24 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: Oregon state offers free origination to any SIP address | 17:25 |
| MohammadAG | make: *** No rule to make target `../gnome-doc-utils.make', needed by `Makefile.in'. Stop. :/ | 17:25 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: exactly, whereas with sip there are companies which give you free incoming number. | 17:25 |
| Fredrik1994 | i start it through the terminal, it doesn't output any errors | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: see backscroll | 17:25 |
| Fredrik1994 | And it's not only the window that fails, no hwengine process is starting at all | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | SIP<->PSTN gw probably >>10^4 worldwide -- I got a landline (aka geographic) number with free inbound calls on my N810 for years now -> sipgate.de | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | with in simple words means: *everybody* can call me on my "SIP" landline number | 17:28 |
| jacekowski | i think i'm going to sell idea of jabber calls to some sip providers | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | what does it need for far end to call my "jabber" ""number(?!)"" | 17:28 |
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| trumee | so how can get command history in the shell via Page Up? | 17:29 |
| jacekowski | jabber client | 17:29 |
| jacekowski | for example you go to gmail.com | 17:29 |
| jacekowski | and click on somebody on left sid | 17:29 |
| jacekowski | side* | 17:29 |
| jacekowski | if he's connected you can click call | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | nota bene on sipgate.de the whole geographic number and all inbound minutes are *completely* free | 17:30 |
| jacekowski | free? | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | free | 17:30 |
| jacekowski | how | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | for free | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | like in free as in beer | 17:31 |
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| Fredrik1994 | hm | 17:31 |
| Fredrik1994 | nvm | 17:31 |
| jacekowski | umh | 17:31 |
| jacekowski | german | 17:31 |
| Fredrik1994 | managed to get it output an error | 17:31 |
| jacekowski | Fredrik1994: where have you heard about chrome | 17:31 |
| Fredrik1994 | hm? | 17:32 |
| Fredrik1994 | chrome @ n900 you mean? :p | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course SIP itself also is free, as in speech | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | and covered by a butload of RFCs | 17:32 |
| luke-jr | http://www.ipkall.com/ | 17:32 |
| trumee | jacekowski: i have free UK dids from coms.com and orbtalk | 17:33 |
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| trumee | luke-jr: that is for US | 17:33 |
| trumee | jacekowski: and incoming is free on both numbers. | 17:33 |
| luke-jr | ofc | 17:33 |
| jacekowski | Fredrik1994: yes | 17:33 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: backscroll, is that a command? | 17:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trumee: for bash history search? nope, you need to keymap some key-shortcut | 17:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | backscroll is the IRC text that 'scrolled out' of your IRC-client's window | 17:35 |
| jacekowski | that's backlog | 17:36 |
| Fredrik1994 | hm, i don't seems to find the site | 17:36 |
| Fredrik1994 | but try google | 17:36 |
| Fredrik1994 | :p | 17:36 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, it's scrollback in skype :) | 17:36 |
| MohammadAG | xchat* | 17:36 |
| MohammadAG | weird... | 17:36 |
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| MohammadAG | compiling file-roller for maemo | 17:36 |
| MohammadAG | will get it packaged soon, hopefully | 17:37 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: well i need a bash history search, not an irc backscroll/scrollback/backlog :) | 17:37 |
| trumee | how do i map the key? | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | n 1: an accumulation of jobs not done or materials not processed that are yet to be dealt with (especially unfilled customer orders for products or services) | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2: large log at the back of a hearth fire [syn: log] | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | 3: something kept back or saved for future use or a special purpose [syn: reserve, stockpile] v : accumulate and create a backlog | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~dict backlog | 17:37 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'backlog' (1 of 6): an accumulation of jobs not done or materials not processed that are yet to be dealt with (especially unfilled customer orders for products or services). | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: man bash-builtins | 17:38 |
| trumee | /bin/sh: man: not found | 17:39 |
| trumee | no man on maemo?? | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope :-((( friggin storage optimizers decided we don't need as it will eat some 10MB of our precious 32GB of storage >:-( pfffft | 17:40 |
| ech0Asus | is there a way for the contacts list to be in portiat mode? | 17:40 |
| jacekowski | ech0Asus: yes | 17:41 |
| jacekowski | ech0Asus: close keyboard | 17:41 |
| ech0Asus | stays in landscape when keyboard is closed | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's not even a mandb pkg >:-( | 17:41 |
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| ech0Asus | only phone app uses portiat | 17:41 |
| ech0Asus | :( | 17:41 |
| ech0Asus | unless keyboard is open.. :( | 17:42 |
| jacekowski | poki it with xrandr | 17:42 |
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| jacekowski | poke* | 17:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oh well. For somebody insane enough to use messybox for default shell on an interactive linux device meant to have xterm by default, it probably is heretic to add an optional mandb pkg | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | hooray for bash as a default on meego :-) | 17:45 |
| Ken-Young | ech0Asus, Image viewer uses portrait too. | 17:45 |
| ech0Asus | i just want it for my contacts lol :( | 17:45 |
| ech0Asus | i can't see that many of them at once in landscape mode | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | and bash here implies all the decent coreutils etc | 17:46 |
| ech0Asus | have to scroll a lot | 17:46 |
| pupnik | im pondering how much of linux is a waste of time for mobile devices | 17:46 |
| ech0Asus | would prolly be able to see them all in portait mode :( | 17:46 |
| ech0Asus | without scrolling at all :( | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably even mandb :-)) | 17:46 |
| Ken-Young | pupnik, I'd say UUCP could probably go. | 17:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer starts to love meego | 17:47 | |
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| * luke-jr notes it is impossible to order from T-Mobile USA's site | 17:47 | |
| ech0Asus | use a proxy lol | 17:47 |
| luke-jr | ... | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | darn, my last laptop had 128MBB of RAM, a 5GB HDD, and yet run a full KDE and you bet a full coreutils etc standard install | 17:49 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: impossible :o | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, plain normal | 17:49 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: from a nokia point of view, the device isn't made for people who would need all that. they think of linux as just another platform to put _their_ stuff onto to serve people who are supposed to use _their_ stuff. | 17:50 |
| * Shapeshifter discovered fmt today. another useful coreutil. | 17:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer | just '''impossible''' for N900 with a CPU twice as fast, a RAM twice as large, and storage like 6 times what that Toughbook had | 17:50 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: Windows NT ran on 16 MB RAM | 17:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, and DOS3.2 on 320KB | 17:51 |
| Dassu | well I tried gnome on my 600mhz 128MB laptop and yes it ran but slowly | 17:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and my desktop system 1996 had some 4MB of RAM (iirc) and a 486DX and yet it had a fullblown mandb | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | the HDD was like 50MB | 17:54 |
| satmd | I had os/2 running on a 2mb ram, 20mb hdd system with a 286 ps/2 | 17:54 |
| satmd | booted in 45 mins | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | and had manpahes :-P | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | pages | 17:55 |
| pupnik | http://www.bikudo.com/buy/details/602276/htc_desire_bravo_unlocked_usd222.html would this be a candidate for meego? (runs android) | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno, had Oscar/2 such thing? | 17:55 |
| satmd | dunno | 17:55 |
| satmd | I didn't have the patience :p | 17:56 |
| satmd | but I still have the floppies :p | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | I binned my OS/"-Warp box some 3 years ago | 17:56 |
| satmd | :( | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | the sales-box with the books and floppies inside | 17:57 |
| satmd | my dad won it somewhere | 17:57 |
| satmd | never used it though | 17:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | me neither | 17:57 |
| Dassu | pupnik: afaik meego might require intel arch | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | eh | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | no | 17:58 |
| satmd | no | 17:58 |
| luke-jr | Dassu: what?? | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 17:58 |
| crashanddie | Dassu: wtf? | 17:58 |
| luke-jr | MeeGo already "supports" N900 | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | armv5 port exists | 17:58 |
| crashanddie | Dassu: don't say stupid shit like that, please | 17:58 |
| Dassu | well | 17:58 |
| crashanddie | well nothing, you're wrong. | 17:58 |
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| satmd | you should follow the past months of discussion about meego FIRST | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually meego is "FOSS", so first instance doesn't require any particular arch | 17:59 |
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| Dassu | just making my option based on a fact that nokia people have been talking with intel pedople regarding the meego | 17:59 |
| satmd | because n900 will be one of the representative platforms for meego | 17:59 |
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| Stskeeps | Dassu: intel ad nokia is doing meego together, i hope they talked :P | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Dassu: /join #meego | 18:00 |
| crashanddie | Dassu: MeeGo is aimed at netbooks (so intel on that part would be right), but also in-car systems (highly unlikely to be intel), and mobile systems (like the N900), also very unlikely to be intel | 18:00 |
| Dassu | well intel has intrests of bringing its cpus to mobile platfroms | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | and intel agreed to sell Nokia CPU' | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 18:01 |
| crashanddie | Dassu: seriously, if you want to go and spread disinformed stupidies, /join #ubuntu | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | bin their 86 | 18:01 |
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| ech0Asus | wonder who will head up the mobile systems section | 18:02 |
| pupnik | how about a little 386 core off on the side somewhere. for dosbox :) | 18:02 |
| ech0Asus | like for cars.. | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: ARM17 comes with 386 compatibility mode ;-P | 18:03 |
| crashanddie | ~ping | 18:05 |
| infobot | ~pong | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~zing | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 18:07 |
| infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer | 18:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | intel sold arm | 18:26 |
| SpeedEvil | strongarm | 18:26 |
| SpeedEvil | though they sold off that arm of intel | 18:26 |
| SpeedEvil | So intel is now armless. | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | gnhnhnhn | 18:27 |
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| ech0Asus | erm, can't check voicemails on skype with n900 | 18:29 |
| pupnik | when does ti release devboards for next omap | 18:29 |
| ech0Asus | the number you dial doesn't function well, can't listen to old messages | 18:30 |
| ech0Asus | need a real skype app to manage voicemails | 18:30 |
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| ech0Asus | will try and get one from debian working later | 18:30 |
| ech0Asus | gtg later guys | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | muhahaha | 18:30 |
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| lupine_85 | Heee. N900+ Maemo + Wesnoth | 18:31 |
| lupine_85 | <3 linux | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're aware skype binary is closed-source, (c) skype/ebay, and even crypted? | 18:31 |
| lupine_85 | although - the keyboard doesn't work on it | 18:31 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: what i am not happy about is that N900 doesnt show message waiting indicator for sip. The sofia-library supports it though | 18:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, not surprised. | 18:41 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: i was wondering if it was possible do check for MWI using some CLI command | 18:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | basically it *should* be possible, yes | 18:41 |
| trumee | How would that be possible, using mc-tool? | 18:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry, no idea. Just pondering if there's some obstacles in SIP protocol itself, which seems there aren't | 18:43 |
| trumee | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3063 | 18:43 |
| povbot | Bug 3063: SIP Voice Mail message notification | 18:43 |
| trumee | The bugs report suggests that N900 ignores MWI. So it is not just UI problem, is it? | 18:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no idea. IIRC MWI is a SIP-INFO inbound telegram. You might be able to intercept that e.g with tcpdump, then decode | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno if sofia or whatever is just ignoring those INFO msgs, or just doesn't expose them to the API, or the UA doesn't query it | 18:47 |
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| trumee | tcpdump might be an ugly approach. | 18:48 |
| satmd | skype on my n900 stopped working | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | good ;-P | 18:49 |
| satmd | is there a known problem about this? | 18:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | skype *is* the known problem | 18:49 |
| satmd | yeah yeah, as much as I agree, that isn't helping | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, just kidding | 18:50 |
| satmd | try to convince my coworkers to use voip :p | 18:50 |
| luke-jr | Skype is voip | 18:50 |
| luke-jr | just non-standard proprietary crap | 18:50 |
| lcuk | but happens to be the standard people hold up | 18:50 |
| luke-jr | it's not a standard at all | 18:51 |
| lcuk | people rarely ask if you sip or if you voip | 18:51 |
| lcuk | they ask if you have skype | 18:51 |
| luke-jr | that's when you answer you have normal VoIP | 18:51 |
| luke-jr | :) | 18:51 |
| awilkins | Telepathy weakens that a bit, when Skype is just another connector | 18:51 |
| lcuk | its the generic term - like all vacuum cleaners used to be hoovers | 18:51 |
| lcuk | awilkins, it weakens nothing - if i said i have telepathy or any other voip stuff they would still ask whether they can call from skype | 18:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's as wrong as PC==redmond-crap | 18:53 |
| lcuk | not saying its right | 18:53 |
| lcuk | its just whats asked out there | 18:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | people asking me 'what, you can't use this program? you got no PC?' WTF! | 18:54 |
| satmd | for me, voip == sip, skype==skype | 18:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | PC == linux :-D | 18:55 |
| lcuk | how do you say voip | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | people also use 'Neon' if actually they mean CFL | 18:56 |
| luke-jr | PC = Personal Computer | 18:56 |
| awilkins | vow - 'ip | 18:56 |
| luke-jr | any computer used by mainly a single person is a PC | 18:56 |
| luke-jr | voi, p | 18:57 |
| * lcuk likes when people call the computer chassis the hard drive :) | 18:57 | |
| luke-jr | or "voice over I P" | 18:57 |
| luke-jr | :p | 18:57 |
| awilkins | So .. when your phone rings in Maemo, that's a Telepathy notifier program? | 18:57 |
| tank-man | neon white lights? heh | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, at least in Germany all the regular folks call it "neon tubes" | 18:58 |
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| frals | lizardo: did you get my mail? ;) | 18:59 |
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| lizardo | frals: yes, working on it now :) | 18:59 |
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| MOUD | Hello | 18:59 |
| frals | lizardo: oh, cool, cheers :) | 18:59 |
| lizardo | frals: good to hear you found some C code :D | 18:59 |
| frals | hehe, good old fashioned trial and error and i got it to work ;) | 19:00 |
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| lardman | afternoon all | 19:00 |
| MOUD | Does anyone know how to install libhildon (latest version) ? | 19:00 |
| lcuk | frals, and plenty of beer | 19:00 |
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| MOUD | hello lardman | 19:00 |
| lardman | hi MOUD | 19:00 |
| lcuk | yo lardman \o | 19:00 |
| frals | lcuk: hehe, no beer involved yesterday, believe it or not ;) | 19:00 |
| frals | o/ lardman | 19:00 |
| lardman | hey lcuk, pass some beer over then! | 19:00 |
| lardman | hey frals | 19:00 |
| lizardo | frals: is it ok if I use the final ctypes sample code as one more example on the PyMaemo wiki pages ? | 19:00 |
| lardman | hmm, beer, /me heads to the fridge | 19:01 |
| frals | lizardo: ofc :) | 19:01 |
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| frals | more examples == better for everyone | 19:01 |
| lcuk | lizardo, :D | 19:01 |
| lcuk | +100 | 19:01 |
| lizardo | frals: btw one suggestion: some contacts may lack E_CONTACT_FULL_NAME (I got at least one on my own contact) , so you may use e.g. E_CONTACT_GIVEN_NAME as fall back | 19:01 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, just for future reference, the logo page is linked from the trademark page and have svg, png, etc. | 19:02 |
| frals | yeah it was just to see if it was writing anything - i plan to get the id or something similiar | 19:02 |
| lizardo | In that case e_contact_get_const() returned NULL, so it is easy to check | 19:02 |
| lizardo | frals: nice :) | 19:02 |
| MOUD | how do i fix "Broken Packages" ? | 19:02 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: I couldn't see it on the trademark page | 19:03 |
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| GAN900 | Jaffa, oh, wonder if it actually is, then. . . . | 19:03 |
| Jaffa | lizardo: frals: you don't need to, you can call get_display_name() and it'll handle the user's firstname, lastname preferences and use a nickname if they don't have anything IIRC | 19:03 |
| frals | lizardo: afaik the python-evolution bindings can get a contact by uid, so E_CONTACT_UID should do the trick | 19:03 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: http://maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use/trademarks/trademark_usage_guidelines/ links to http://www.maemo.org/intro/trademarks/logos/ which 404s | 19:04 |
| GAN900 | Oops. . . . | 19:04 |
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| frals | Jaffa: does it work when getting an EContact and not OssoABookContact? | 19:04 |
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| * lardman curses the Map app and wonders when the decent/better one that all the Symbianites now have will appear | 19:04 | |
| lizardo | Jaffa: good to know... | 19:04 |
| Jaffa | frals: Mostly Hermes deals with EContacts, so I guess "yes" | 19:05 |
| Jaffa | frals: But it's been a while since I looked at that code | 19:05 |
| fuz_ | frals: i've tried your suggestion, osso_abook_waitable_run never returns | 19:05 |
| lcuk | lardman did we ever spec out a mapping app | 19:06 |
| lcuk | i know some are coming/here but it never hurts to get down out best case scenarios | 19:06 |
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| lardman | lcuk: probably not, but I can certainly list the crap parts of Ovi Maps if anyone wants to know, mainly the general slowness | 19:06 |
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| lcuk | +100 | 19:07 |
| frals | Jaffa: cool :) | 19:07 |
| frals | fuz_: then i have no clue im afraid :< | 19:07 |
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| lardman | while I'm moaning (having actually been using my N900, rather than developing code for it for the past month or so), good lord 3G sucks battery power! | 19:08 |
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| frals | i must be lucky, i dont notice any significant battery drainage while on 3g | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: depends, but generally yes | 19:09 |
| Jaffa | lardman: Indeed | 19:09 |
| frals | or it could be because the 3g coverage is pretty decent in stockholm | 19:09 |
| fuz_ | frals: ok & thanks | 19:09 |
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| lardman | DocScrutinizer, Jaffa: 30min sat in the pub trying to look at Ovi Maps and my battery has gone from full to nearly dead | 19:10 |
| MOUD | Any news about the PR 1.2 release? | 19:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman: that's extreme for sure. But it's a massive data traffic, which always tends to suck battery, even worse on 3G than on GPRS | 19:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MOUD: yes, the counter for people asking that just incremented by one | 19:13 |
| MOUD | DocScrutinizer, lol | 19:13 |
| MOUD | anyways... How can I fix the libhildon1 problem? | 19:14 |
| pupnik | didnt bundyo do a gemrb build for n900? | 19:14 |
| lardman | DocScrutinizer: yeah for sure, I had downloaded maps in advance, but tbh Ovi Maps is pretty appauling so I gave MM a go, which meant lots of traffic | 19:14 |
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| fuz_ | frals: it works :-) (just did some stupid mistakes before) | 19:15 |
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| Jaffa | MOUD: Contribute thoughts and discussions on the mailing list and http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:PR1.2_autobuilder | 19:15 |
| frals | fuz_: great, got any sample code for reference? :) | 19:15 |
| fuz_ | where would i put it ? | 19:16 |
| MOUD | Jaffa: Thanks, I'll take a look | 19:17 |
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| frals | fuz_: pastebin.com, or a wikipage on wiki.maemo.org :) | 19:18 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: I see you got to script the generation of the .symbols files? :) | 19:18 |
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| lizardo | frals: SIGLUNCH... will be in half an hour... almost there :) | 19:21 |
| frals | lizardo: awesome! :) | 19:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman: so - 2W for UMTS, 1..2W for the system (cpu, backlight, all) -> bat life <1h | 19:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually UMTS might even cause a 6W input power drain | 19:24 |
| lardman | DocScrutinizer: so note to self, try not to use 3G too much | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2W was a ballpark figure based on maximum allowable TX power. Efficiency of transmitter is <50% though | 19:25 |
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| t-tan | is it just me or is autobuilder broken again? | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | and aiui 3G is very bad in terms of overhead on TX for very short packages | 19:26 |
| fuz_ | frals: http://pastebin.com/BfvS2wC0 | 19:26 |
| frals | fuz_: ty :) | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: try to force it to 2G. On poor coverage areas for 3G, EDGE might be not that noticably slower but for sure is less power hungry | 19:29 |
| lardman | I'll have to have a go with that next time I'm sat in that pub, good call | 19:30 |
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| fuz_ | I added the 'osso_abook_waitable_is_ready' because i found this in modest source code | 19:30 |
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| rm_you|n900 | anyone on here happen to be at TX Linuxfest or know anyone who is? :) | 19:31 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders if you could have two virtual connections concurrently, one for 2G and one for 3G. Then idle on 3G and use 2G only, as long as you don't really need the 3G speed | 19:32 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | but seems that won't work as location database server (or whatever that's called on cellphone domain) can't handle multiple pathes to one mobile equipment | 19:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so probably you're either logged in to 2G, or to 3G, but never on both concurrently | 19:35 |
| rm_you|n900 | is 2G less battery intensive? | 19:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and I'm quite sure 2G has no specifications on how to seamlessly roam/handover to a 3G cell | 19:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rm_you|n900: [2010-04-10 18:26:42] <DocScrutinizer> and aiui 3G is very bad in terms of overhead on TX for very short packages | 19:37 |
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| kevloral | Hello all | 19:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | rm_you: yes | 19:39 |
| SpeedEvil | rm_you: in a good 3G/2G signal area - a 4s interval ping uses about as much power on 3g as continuous streaming does on 2g | 19:40 |
| * lardman goes to search the interweb for digital compasses with BT connectivity | 19:40 | |
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| lardman | hmm, while I'm thinking about compasses, I see the OS data is now freely available | 19:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rm_you|n900: along the line: send 200bytes GPRS: 20ms TX@2W, then idle. 200bytes on UMTS: sync-50ms TX@2W, transfer data TX@2W-1ms, keep sync as there might be more to come - another 500ms TX@2W (ms values are arbitrary examples) | 19:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | lardman: yes - see topic on irc.oftc.net #osm | 19:43 |
| SpeedEvil | for more detailed explanations | 19:43 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: cool, thanks | 19:43 |
| nocturnal | when using a ported application that uses a non-standard gui on maemo, is there a universal way of right clicking? | 19:44 |
| SpeedEvil | It would be lovely if the 2G/3G modem could be operated as an independant 2G and 3G device. | 19:44 |
| SpeedEvil | nocturnal: no | 19:44 |
| SpeedEvil | nocturnal: well - pair a bt mouse, and ... | 19:44 |
| nocturnal | ok thanks | 19:44 |
| nocturnal | yeah obviously | 19:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (independent 2g/3g) yeah, that'S been my idea from above | 19:45 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 19:45 |
| SpeedEvil | missed that | 19:45 |
| lardman | hmm, why are GPSes with electronic compasses so dear | 19:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I was rather meaning seperate SIMs | 19:45 |
| lardman | probably be cheaper to buy my wife a new phone and use hers as a glorified compass | 19:45 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: demand | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: [2010-04-10 18:32:18] * DocScrutinizer wonders if you could have two virtual connections ... | 19:46 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: yeah, lots in phones though (hint hint Nokia) | 19:46 |
| lcuk | blardman, probably cheaper to hire someone to monitor you from a personal self launched observation platform and transmit your current direction back to them | 19:46 |
| lcuk | -b | 19:47 |
| lardman | lcuk: I want augmented reality | 19:47 |
| lcuk | drink more beer | 19:47 |
| konttori | DocScrutinizer: the reason 3g sucks so much power is that whenever you transmit, the antenna must be fully powered for the next 30s-60s because of how 3G is specified. | 19:47 |
| lardman | hook into nethouse prices so I can walk around and see house prices where I'm looking ;) | 19:47 |
| lcuk | konttori, mm? fully powered? | 19:47 |
| lcuk | must send a signal out of it? | 19:47 |
| lcuk | or just have the circuits listening for more | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | konttori: [2010-04-10 18:42:17] <DocScrutinizer> rm_you|n900: along the line: send 200bytes GPRS: 20ms TX@2W, then idle. 200bytes on UMTS: sync-50ms TX@2W, transfer data TX@2W-1ms, keep sync ... | 19:48 |
| lardman | bbiam, wine run to shop | 19:48 |
| SpeedEvil | konttori: it's not quite that bad. | 19:48 |
| rm_you|n900 | lol | 19:48 |
| SpeedEvil | konttori: the power used goes down quite a bit at higher intervals | 19:48 |
| konttori | sure, only the antenna must be powered, not everything. but still it's a hit. The time is also dependent on the network you are using. | 19:49 |
| konttori | e.g. in elisa network in finland the time is 60s, while in sonera it's 30s. | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | At 30s, the power usage of an 8000 byte ping is 1/2 that of the same ping at 1s | 19:50 |
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| slingr | wow sygic is pretty sweet | 19:50 |
| SpeedEvil | (for me) | 19:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Or rather the average power - not the power per ping | 19:50 |
| SpeedEvil | energy per ping | 19:51 |
| lcuk | are there any youtubes of sygic in action | 19:51 |
| lcuk | ive heard but not got it myself yet | 19:51 |
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| konttori | lcuk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oX4HAA1CrM&feature=related | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | konttori: by the way, me as an EE really don't know how you can 'power the antenna' ;-) Probably I'm just pedantic | 19:53 |
| lcuk | its prolly the RX circuits | 19:53 |
| lcuk | because normally you can hear inteference on nearby radios etc when txing | 19:53 |
| lcuk | thx konttori | 19:54 |
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| Shapeshifter | does anyone else have slight problems with mmpc on maemo 5? Apart from the fact that it's kinda ugly, it doesn't display my playlist (maybe because it's too large) and when launching it an error occurs and I have to hit reconnect for it to connect. | 19:55 |
| ppriyank | hi, i was wondering if anyone can help me set up rdesktop to work with my windows 7 64-bit computer? | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I really failed to get the usual welknown GSM interference, when using 3G. Probably that's because UMTS isn't based on a TDM timeslice scheme | 19:55 |
| ppriyank | i downloaded it on my N900 | 19:55 |
| konttori | DocScrutinizer: It needs to keep some form of connection open to the base station. I don't remember the exact details. | 19:55 |
| ppriyank | and on my computer its allowed to connect to remote desktop... | 19:55 |
| Shapeshifter | a shorter playlist works | 19:55 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, i usually hear some sort of warm fuzzies from here | 19:56 |
| ppriyank | when i connect it via n900, it says the login password is invalid (but its the same password that i use to logon to my windows) | 19:56 |
| ppriyank | ? | 19:56 |
| Terje | DocScrutinizer, probably 3G in your area is using much higher frequency, too. | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, 1800 vs 2100 | 19:56 |
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| Terje | Ok | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | not that much of a difference | 19:56 |
| ppriyank | anyone? | 19:57 |
| ppriyank | i'll repeat it in one sentence so it'll be easier to read... :) | 19:57 |
| ppriyank | hi, i was wondering if anyone can help me set up rdesktop to work with my windows 7 64-bit computer? i downloaded it on my N900 and on my computer its allowed to connect to remote desktop...when i connect it via n900, it says the login password is invalid (but its the same password that i use to logon to my windows)? | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ppriyank: check user name | 19:58 |
| ppriyank | it matches with my computer as well | 19:58 |
| ppriyank | on my desktop, the username is "ppriyank" and same on my n900 | 19:58 |
| ppriyank | for domain, do i put in WORKGROUP, or leave it blank? (either way, it still says incorrect password) | 19:59 |
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| lcuk | ppriyank, how did you change username on your n900? | 20:00 |
| ppriyank | when i click on the rdesktop, it asks me to put in the server ip (my computer's ip address) | 20:01 |
| ppriyank | and then under that it asks for username and password (from what i understand, it has to be same as my computer's username and password) right? | 20:01 |
| Terje | DocScrutinizer, it might be that the bursty nature of GSM causes an interference that is much more irritating and difficult to filter out than WCDMA which looks a lot more like noise. | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | Terje: exactly | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | Terje: that's what I meant to say | 20:02 |
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| ppriyank | the username is same as...control panel...user accounts...and the username that shows there right? | 20:04 |
| satmd | ah, my skype worked again after a reboot. weird. | 20:04 |
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| Terje | DocScrutinizer, I remember something from my basic signalling processing and ended up in this wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impulse_response. Check especially the part where a pulse comprises equal portions of all possible existing frequencies. | 20:05 |
| lcuk | ppriyank, i dont see a "control panel" on my n900 | 20:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Terje: well, that's understood here. Thanks anyway | 20:06 |
| ppriyank | i meant..control panel on my desktop...just tryin to make sure that the username i'm puttin matches with my computer's username | 20:06 |
| lcuk | but you are connecting to the n900 | 20:06 |
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| lcuk | what user name is configured there.. | 20:06 |
| Terje | DocScrutinizer, ok, I'll shut up now. :-) | 20:06 |
| frals | lcuk: hes using remotedesktop, nothing to do with username on the device ;) | 20:07 |
| ppriyank | on my desktop its ppriyank | 20:07 |
| lardman | re | 20:07 |
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| frals | ppriyank: have you tested from another computer to make sure it the remote desktop server is working correctly? | 20:07 |
| ppriyank | (username is for my home computer, and no n900) i don't hink i have a username for n900 (and i don't know if i need one) | 20:07 |
| frals | because rdesktop on the n900 just works for me | 20:07 |
| lcuk | ppriyank, ok, another thing to try | 20:07 |
| ppriyank | i used to use VNC viewer before | 20:07 |
| ppriyank | and that worked | 20:07 |
| lcuk | on n900 (now i see problem) go ito settings/text input | 20:07 |
| lcuk | untick auto capitalisation | 20:08 |
| frals | i just enter my user/pass i login with on the workstation and it logs in fine | 20:08 |
| ppriyank | but i moved, and i don't have access to the router, so i cannot forward the port | 20:08 |
| lcuk | it might be capitalising your password | 20:08 |
| ppriyank | my password is all numbers... | 20:08 |
| ppriyank | and the auto caps is already unticked | 20:08 |
| lcuk | are they lower case numbers? | 20:08 |
| lcuk | :D | 20:08 |
| ppriyank | lower case numbers? | 20:09 |
| ppriyank | lol | 20:09 |
| ppriyank | if u can go by step-by-step | 20:09 |
| ppriyank | i dont' mind starting from scratch | 20:09 |
| ppriyank | is there a way to clear all the saved data on the computer in regards to password and what not | 20:09 |
| lcuk | well if you have your n900 actually connecting and brining up login dialog - it sounds almost working? | 20:09 |
| ppriyank | so i can do the whole process from beginning | 20:09 |
| frals | ppriyank: do you have access to a laptop or something you can try to connect to your workstation to see it actually works | 20:10 |
| lcuk | but the main computer config is completely out of n900 turf | 20:10 |
| ppriyank | i have a desktop | 20:10 |
| ppriyank | and not really connected to anything (workstation or anything) | 20:10 |
| frals | and rdesktop works from there? | 20:10 |
| lcuk | then connect from there | 20:10 |
| ppriyank | i used VNC viewer on my n900 before | 20:10 |
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| ppriyank | to see my desktop screen and control it view n900 | 20:10 |
| ppriyank | but not the other way around | 20:10 |
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| ppriyank | and i just downloaded rdesktop today, | 20:11 |
| ppriyank | and it dont seem to work | 20:11 |
| lcuk | well the n900 bit seems to? | 20:11 |
| lcuk | but we arent windows admins | 20:11 |
| lcuk | so cant configure that end | 20:11 |
| frals | ppriyank: try connecting from another computer to your computer to verify your remote desktop host is setup correctly | 20:11 |
| lcuk | confirm first with pc->pc remote desktop | 20:12 |
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| lcuk | make sure its working | 20:12 |
| ppriyank | i don't have another computer | 20:12 |
| ppriyank | :( | 20:12 |
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| lcuk | then reinstall vnc and go back to what you know | 20:12 |
| aep | ppriyank: x11vnc + arbitrary vnc client. dont mess with that redesktop crap | 20:12 |
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| ppriyank | i'll try it with vcn | 20:12 |
| ppriyank | and see if that works | 20:12 |
| aep | or if you do, have a Windows Certified Douchebag around | 20:12 |
| ppriyank | give me a min.... | 20:13 |
| lcuk | aep there are quite a few windows folks around here | 20:13 |
| lcuk | but they hide it well :p | 20:13 |
| ppriyank | lol | 20:13 |
| aep | i bet they would tell you the same. rdp is crap | 20:13 |
| lardman | hmm, I use it every day | 20:13 |
| frals | rdesktop is fine | 20:13 |
| ppriyank | btw, i just downloaded the chromium and it seems pretty fast | 20:13 |
| lardman | works ok | 20:13 |
| lcuk | rdp has benefits over vnc | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | windows folks? HERE?? | 20:13 |
| lcuk | its a proper user session | 20:13 |
| frals | using it daily and it performs much better than vnc for me | 20:14 |
| lcuk | vnc needs existing | 20:14 |
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| ppriyank | compared to the microB broweser...on if it was more touch friendly | 20:14 |
| ppriyank | :) | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 20:14 |
| lardman | DocScrutinizer: not by choice (the Windows, rather than the here bit ;)) | 20:14 |
| aep | lol | 20:14 |
| * ShadowJK has 3g on 900MHz and 2g on that band too, and hears no interference from 3g, only from 2g | 20:14 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: -o DocScrutinizer | 20:14 | |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, i can hear little kittens dying everytime i send a 3g packet | 20:14 |
| * frals grabs some more cookies and waits for lizardo to return | 20:15 | |
| javispedro | lcuk: protocol has little to with session :P (still, rdp is an order of magnitude more complex than vnc, thus each one has benefits vs cons as usual) | 20:15 |
| ShadowJK | I was also under the impression that 3g TX has to remain active for several seconds since last transmit | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | 3G is WCDMA which basically means FM. 2G is TDMA which implies a 100% moulation rate AM @ ~200Hz | 20:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | interference on FM is unlikely to be seen on cheap amps and similar equipment | 20:16 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, well thats what konttori said too - i think based on this "something" is left using power | 20:16 |
| Terje | lcuk, you mean between packets? | 20:17 |
| ShadowJK | I think on 3g several phones use the same channel simultaneously, and the receivers can distinguish them because everyone uses their own code.. and occasionally channel use is reconfigured so phones can drop out or join? | 20:17 |
| konttori | Terje: yeah. | 20:17 |
| lcuk | i dunno - DocScrutinizer is the EE | 20:17 |
| ShadowJK | something vaguely like that? | 20:18 |
| lcuk | keep the engine running | 20:18 |
| lardman | speaking of FM, either my wife's car is less well isolated than mine, or the FM tx stuff has improved | 20:18 |
| lcuk | if im not back in 5, send in the backup | 20:18 |
| ppriyank | ok...so i just connected via VNC | 20:18 |
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| lcuk | lardman, furry dice amplify and focus signals | 20:18 |
| ppriyank | and it works (ultraVNC server on my desktop, and vnc viewer on n900) | 20:18 |
| lardman | ah, is that what it is, I'll have to get some for my car too then :p | 20:18 |
| ppriyank | but its VERY SLOW...that's y i wanted to try rdesktop | 20:18 |
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| ShadowJK | My E75 on Saunalahti/Elisa needs like 3 seconds for the first ping packet, after being idle for a long time (minutes) | 20:19 |
| lcuk | ppriyank, thats because you need to optimize your connection | 20:19 |
| ppriyank | how do i do that? | 20:19 |
| lcuk | get better gfx card, lower desktop res (color or size) set vnc compression protocol differently etc | 20:19 |
| Terje | lcuk, constantly or is it just the networking pinging the phone? | 20:19 |
| lcuk | Terje, i dunno | 20:19 |
| ShadowJK | and the ping interval affects the rtt alot | 20:19 |
| lcuk | retweet time? | 20:20 |
| ShadowJK | i guess with 1 sec interval it stays on hspa all the time | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: seen this lag on first packet frequently on different linux phones as well | 20:20 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, yeah I mean it's probably how 3g works | 20:20 |
| Terje | lcuk, it's the network that keeps the phone in a standby state. | 20:20 |
| ppriyank | ok so...different settings on the ultraVNC server right??? | 20:20 |
| lcuk | ppriyank, experiment | 20:21 |
| lardman | ~curse FF for having connection issues | 20:21 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, FF for having connection issues ! | 20:21 |
| Terje | DocScrutinizer, yes, the phone probably has released the connection and needs to re-acquire. | 20:21 |
| lardman | infobot: very apt | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yep, it first has to crank up and sync an active (means TX) connection | 20:21 |
| lizardo | frals: ok, just sent you the code :) | 20:22 |
| * lardman wonders if buying a lego mindstorms kit, to use the compass, would be a valid use of funds | 20:22 | |
| frals | lizardo: :DDD thanks! | 20:22 |
| Terje | lardman, probably not. | 20:22 |
| lcuk | lol lardman | 20:22 |
| frals | wow, funky stuff, just emptied the battery on my 2nd n900 in 1hr | 20:22 |
| lcuk | arduino would be more practical/cool | 20:23 |
| frals | from full to empty | 20:23 |
| frals | wonder what it was doing | 20:23 |
| lcuk | and you get to use your soldering iron | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: then after actual data transfer it keeps that connection active for quite a while, as more might pend for transfer | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | torrenting? | 20:23 |
| lardman | Terje: but it would be fun to play with too ;) | 20:23 |
| lcuk | frals? | 20:23 |
| lcuk | 1 hour | 20:23 |
| frals | it was suppose to just have the reverse ssh tunnel up | 20:23 |
| lcuk | thats a record? | 20:23 |
| lcuk | i want a mechanism to lock the phone part of the n900 | 20:23 |
| Terje | lardman, yes, but that's a different thing. You shouldn't need a valid reason to buy toys. | 20:23 |
| frals | lcuk: never seen it empty that fast when not using it | 20:23 |
| lcuk | ive not seen it drain that fast when using it | 20:24 |
| ShadowJK | frals: was it on charger with green light? | 20:24 |
| lardman | Terje: true, though I do need to buy a house, so have to economise somewhere | 20:24 |
| Terje | frals, it was probably hot, too. | 20:24 |
| ShadowJK | because that's about the only way to be sure it was full :) | 20:24 |
| frals | ShadowJK: nah, it had been for a good 12hrs or so before thou | 20:24 |
| frals | Terje: yeah ;) | 20:24 |
| lardman | also carting around the mindstorms brick isn't very portable | 20:24 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: that's CDMA | 20:24 |
| frals | it was doing something for sure, god knows what :p | 20:24 |
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| jacekowski | ShadowJK: wideband transmition | 20:24 |
| ShadowJK | frals: right so it could have been 50% or something :) | 20:24 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: that sucks a lot | 20:24 |
| lcuk | lardman, but if your car breaks down, you can reassemble it into a ferarri and drive home | 20:25 |
| frals | ShadowJK: ah, that explain it | 20:25 |
| Terje | lardman, just get it. If it causes a grin, it's worth it. | 20:25 |
| lcuk | jacob keeps grabbing n900 to play games and stuff | 20:25 |
| lardman | true (not the Ferrari part tho unfortunately) | 20:25 |
| lcuk | but he keeps picking up the phone and ringing people too | 20:25 |
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| lcuk | i want to enable a kiddy phone | 20:25 |
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| Terje | lcuk, my smallest kid likes to toss phones into toilet. | 20:26 |
| lizardo | frals: let me know if it works as expected for you :) | 20:26 |
| lcuk | so when its in use, n900 is normal but the calling ui is very simplified and only to preset contacts | 20:26 |
| jacekowski | gsm is better than cdma because it guarantees minimum quality | 20:26 |
| ppriyank | its still pretty LAGGY | 20:26 |
| ppriyank | but i guess its better then nothing | 20:26 |
| jacekowski | while you can easily overload cdma and get strange things to happen | 20:26 |
| ppriyank | :) thank you for your help :D | 20:26 |
| lcuk | ppriyank, whats your desktop resolution now? | 20:26 |
| lcuk | and color depth | 20:26 |
| ShadowJK | at full load 1 hour battery life doesn't sound implausible anyway | 20:27 |
| jacekowski | os course some people might prefer to have barely working randomly droping service | 20:27 |
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| jacekowski | than not working service at all | 20:27 |
| Terje | jacekowski, I guess theoretically, yes, but shoudn't CDMA protocols have mechanisms to battle that? | 20:27 |
| frals | lizardo: going to test it in a minute :) | 20:27 |
| jacekowski | in case of overload | 20:27 |
| lcuk | because vnc suffers if you have 1900*1600 type screens | 20:27 |
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| jacekowski | Terje: sort of | 20:27 |
| ppriyank | on my server, i selected "Poll Full Screen (ultra fast) | 20:27 |
| jacekowski | Terje: days like new years eve or etc | 20:27 |
| jacekowski | Terje: with gsm these "few" people that manage to make a call have normal quality | 20:27 |
| jacekowski | Terje: with cdma nobody would be able to make call | 20:28 |
| lcuk | ppriyank, keep playing | 20:28 |
| lcuk | theres other settings - and you still havent mentioned the res | 20:28 |
| ppriyank | there is no settings for resolution | 20:28 |
| ppriyank | :( | 20:28 |
| ppriyank | atleast i dont see it | 20:28 |
| lcuk | :O omg | 20:28 |
| lcuk | you have an analog desktop? | 20:28 |
| lcuk | resolution independent! | 20:29 |
| ppriyank | oh my desktop's resolution | 20:29 |
| ppriyank | its... | 20:29 |
| frals | lizardo: works perfectly! thank you! :)) | 20:29 |
| lizardo | Jaffa: BTW osso_abook_contact_get_display_name() didn't work well for that case I told you... it returned the string "No name" :) | 20:29 |
| lcuk | frals which code is that | 20:29 |
| ppriyank | 1400X something | 20:29 |
| frals | lcuk: osso_abook.osso_abook_query_phone_number() in python ctypes | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | in case of 'overload' (crowded cell) UMTS switches to neighbour cell if there's any, even when that cell is weaker signal. GSM never does that | 20:29 |
| ppriyank | idk the other number | 20:29 |
| lizardo | frals: nice :) I'll clean it up and put somewhere on the wiki | 20:29 |
| frals | lizardo: great! thanks again :D | 20:29 |
| lcuk | ppriyank, your computer might be having trouble encoding the size of desktop then | 20:30 |
| lcuk | its worth still changing settings to find something quick | 20:30 |
| frals | evening saved, now i got something fun to do :D | 20:30 |
| lizardo | frals: not that I didn't use python-evolution (preferred to use types for it too to reduce the dependencies) but it can be used with some minimal effort I think | 20:30 |
| lizardo | not -> note | 20:30 |
| lcuk | on my home network vnc is pretty efficient | 20:30 |
| ppriyank | so change my computer's settings? | 20:30 |
| lcuk | but i run a 16bit desktop | 20:30 |
| ppriyank | like make the resolution smaller | 20:30 |
| lcuk | anything to lower the work that both sides of vnc need to do | 20:30 |
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| lcuk | some vnc servers can even send pre-scaled data | 20:31 |
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| javispedro | aaaaargh | 20:31 |
| frals | lizardo: aye, your solution is better as python-evolution isnt needed for this | 20:31 |
| javispedro | debian-squeeze devkit doesn't come with dh_make | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway... | 20:31 |
| * DocScrutinizer kicks DocScrutinizer (cure your IRC adiction, pal!) | 20:32 | |
| ppriyank | thank u, imll play with it and see what happens | 20:32 |
| slingr | when i was younger i was on irc all the time | 20:32 |
| slingr | now i hired a bnc | 20:32 |
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| * DocScrutinizer waves | 20:33 | |
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| rm_you|n900 | i thought texrat was going to TX Linuxfest but i havent seen him :( | 20:35 |
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| lcuk | rm_you|n900, \o hes been to ninja training school | 20:36 |
| lcuk | if you see him, its too late | 20:36 |
| AakashPatel | ninja | 20:36 |
| AakashPatel | Sup everyone | 20:36 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i'm talking about overload of all cells in area | 20:36 |
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| * ShadowJK thought one of the advantages of 3g was that it plugeed into existing 2g infrastructures | 20:37 | |
| lcuk | jacekowski, hows your server handling things? | 20:38 |
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| ShadowJK | atleast I have seamless 2g-4g | 20:38 |
| ShadowJK | uh | 20:38 |
| ShadowJK | 2g-3g roaming with my operator :) | 20:38 |
| ShadowJK | the 3g just looks like a different CellID :D | 20:38 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: easily | 20:39 |
| Terje | ShadowJK, "thought"? | 20:39 |
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| jacekowski | lcuk: i'm just killing it with update-indexer for reposearchplugin from trac | 20:39 |
| lcuk | lol | 20:39 |
| pupnik | evenin lcuk | 20:40 |
| pupnik | beautiful sunset here | 20:40 |
| lcuk | seems nice the world over :) | 20:40 |
| ShadowJK | terje: "thought" as in, docscrutinizer saying there's no standard way of hand-off between 2g and 3g puts doubts to that thought? | 20:40 |
| lcuk | apart from poland :( | 20:40 |
| Terje | ShadowJK, works fine, so why worry? | 20:41 |
| lcuk | how are you pupnik | 20:41 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah I know it works fine | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: there's no such thing like 3G neighbour cells and handover criteria C1/C2 in 2G, to roam/handover to 3G. As such things would break compatibility for 'old' 2G-only phones. AIUI | 20:41 |
| ShadowJK | for me atleast | 20:41 |
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| slingr | TITTIES | 20:42 |
| slingr | woops | 20:42 |
| godrik | is there a channel related to maemo mapper or should I ask my question here ? | 20:42 |
| pupnik | here | 20:43 |
| godrik | is there any tool to download maps and POI in advance ? | 20:44 |
| ShadowJK | Terje: ^^^ | 20:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: so all a modem firmware can do is to look for 3G cells, and prefer those over 2G and try to associate to the 3G whenever it detects one | 20:44 |
| godrik | From what I got, they are downloaded automatically when your gps location is there | 20:44 |
| Terje | ShadowJK, I see. | 20:44 |
| godrik | but I often don't have internetconnexion where I go | 20:44 |
| godrik | Is there any way to ask maps and POI depending on location ? | 20:45 |
| slingr | godrik have your heard of sygic? | 20:46 |
| ShadowJK | I vaguely remember reading on my operator's forum this russian guy in Helsinki complaining about 3g/2g handover, and having worked for an operator in russia, posted detailed suggestions for what might be wrong on the network side | 20:46 |
| ShadowJK | I should try find that post again.. | 20:46 |
| pupnik | godrik i dunno | 20:46 |
| godrik | slingr: no I didnot, I am going to google that | 20:46 |
| jacekowski | and i'm compiling chrome at the same time | 20:46 |
| jacekowski | 19:47:03 up 33 days, 3:39, 5 users, load average: 3.73, 3.62, 3.39 | 20:47 |
| jacekowski | i had over year uptime month ago | 20:47 |
| jacekowski | but shit happened | 20:47 |
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| nidO | shit has a way of doing that | 20:48 |
| jacekowski | well shit was that OOM killer kicked in | 20:49 |
| jacekowski | and killed sshd | 20:49 |
| godrik | jacekowski: that's bad ! | 20:49 |
| jacekowski | i mean | 20:49 |
| jacekowski | there was huge 700M java process | 20:49 |
| jacekowski | and it had to pick sshd | 20:49 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer: http://palsta.saunalahti.fi/index.php/topic,12599.0.html | 20:49 |
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| RST38h | <YAWN> | 20:51 |
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| slingr | no yawning allowed | 20:51 |
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| ebzzry | Hi! Does anybody here knows to what file maepad, by default, writes to? | 20:56 |
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| JZA | hi how can I create a new playlist on the N900 default player | 21:03 |
| slingr | you can't | 21:04 |
| slingr | its impossible | 21:04 |
| JZA | I know there is a "add to current playlist" but what happens if I dont have a current playlist | 21:04 |
| lizardo | frals: wiki page done : http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Accessing_APIs_without_Python_bindings/More_examples (feel free to add other interesting tricky ctypes usage examples there) | 21:04 |
| frals | :) | 21:05 |
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| JZA | slingr: can I just 'touch' an m3u file, play it and add to current playlist to it? | 21:05 |
| slingr | hehe i don't know | 21:06 |
| slingr | i just got my device a couple days ago | 21:06 |
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| SmilybOrg | look at me, now look away, now look at me again, your n900 is now wireless headphones | 21:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: hmm, yeah. That's about 3G->2G handover, which I'm not sure about if there's anything implemented in UMTS standards, and also you might imagine they augmented specs for 2G/3G modems to inherit association from UMTS when roaming to GSM. What I've been talking about though was 2G->3G handover which isn't implemeted in 2G OTA protocol afaik, as old 2G only phones might get confused on such extensions. | 21:26 |
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| * corecode seriously frustrated with tmo | 21:31 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: for GSM your modem creates a list of 6 next best signal neighbour BTS, and carrier configures his network by transmitting a C1/C2 handover criterion threshold that basically sets a dBm headroom a neighbour cell signal has to be better than the service BTS. Then your phone actively jumps to the neighbour cell (means it listens to that BTS' control channel) and if the BTS has a different LAC then your phone registers with the new cell | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | to update the location server record | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | for 2G->3G handover the list of neighbour cells and C1/C2 are missing, so no way to initiate a clean handover | 21:33 |
| iPeter- | jacekowski: hi! i saw that you ported chromium for n900. thanks! | 21:34 |
| iPeter- | now im interested where i find opensh | 21:34 |
| iPeter- | anyone? this opensh should give root access on xterm or sumthing | 21:36 |
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| lcuk | iPeter-, maemo extras | 21:39 |
| lcuk | and its openssh | 21:39 |
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| lcuk | you are mixing it up afaik with rootsh | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: it's basically just like dropping 2G and freshly associating to 3G, which is a process entirely under domain of modem's firmware and probably up to the modem manuf's idea on how to implement that (like poll for 3G periodically, or only when 2G connectivity is lost, or whatever) | 21:40 |
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| MohammadAG | anyone having issues with skype? | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | due to the very different nature of TDMA vs WCDMA it's also quite possible that your modem isn't able to poll for UMTS BTS at all, while it's actively using (=TX) GSM | 21:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | which will create a 'can't "handover" 2G->3G during data traffic' issue | 21:44 |
| Fredrik1994 | [16:39:02] [trumee] /bin/sh: man: not found | 21:44 |
| Fredrik1994 | that's pretty annoying | 21:44 |
| Fredrik1994 | i start debian chroot when i want to use man, but i don't feel that i should be needed to do that | 21:45 |
| ebzzry | Is there an app that would remember the last state of the wlan connection? | 21:45 |
| ebzzry | I'd like to have wifi switcher remember its state across reboots. | 21:45 |
| _llll_ | Fredrik1994: man pages and other documentation take up a lot of room, so are deleted by docpurge | 21:45 |
| Fredrik1994 | k | 21:46 |
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| _llll_ | you could make a package to reinstall them i guess | 21:46 |
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| LuciusMare | Hi, what are processes "/sbin/modest,dsme" for? | 21:47 |
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| nidO | modest is your mail client | 21:48 |
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| frals | ~curse maemo.org package promoter | 21:48 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, maemo.org package promoter ! | 21:48 |
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| Jaffa | lizardo: Doh | 21:48 |
| iPeter- | lcuk: well on youtube description said opensh and with that you gain root access but anyway i got it with rootsh. | 21:49 |
| _llll_ | "opensh"? dont you mean openssh | 21:50 |
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| lcuk | iPeter-, both can give root access, one of them allows it remotely too! | 21:52 |
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| iPeter- | lcuk: okay. but on that site they said opensh. prolly spelled wrong. | 21:54 |
| LuciusMare | nobody knows the processes? | 21:54 |
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| frals | "DSME is responsible of device state management , process lifeguard support, watch dogs and thermal management" | 21:56 |
| LuciusMare | oh, thanks | 21:56 |
| frals | second hit on google :P | 21:56 |
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| LuciusMare | hurm | 21:56 |
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| LuciusMare | what did you search for? | 21:57 |
| frals | maemo dsme | 21:57 |
| frals | :) | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 21:57 |
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| ech0Asus | is there a way to allow install of .deb files? | 21:58 |
| ech0Asus | i'm tryin to put in the matrix thing but its not workin lol | 21:58 |
| Appiah | dpkg -i nameofmy.deb | 21:58 |
| LuciusMare | ech0Asus: dpkg -i | 21:58 |
| Appiah | remember sudo / rootsh | 21:59 |
| LuciusMare | sudo /? | 21:59 |
| ech0Asus | aight yeah i'll just use terminal | 21:59 |
| ech0Asus | but there is this thing bout matrix? does it work? | 21:59 |
| ech0Asus | not workin for me | 21:59 |
| ech0Asus | http://www.nokian900applications.com/how-to-install-debian-files-in-nokia-n900/ | 21:59 |
| ech0Asus | is that a joke? | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | matrix? | 22:00 |
| LuciusMare | heh | 22:00 |
| LuciusMare | no, it's not | 22:00 |
| LuciusMare | DocScrutinizer: red pill mode | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | hope you're not planning to install a freakin screensaver on N900 | 22:00 |
| ech0Asus | no lol | 22:00 |
| ech0Asus | wanted to try a skype .deb file | 22:00 |
| LuciusMare | No, he means the red pill mode in HAM | 22:01 |
| LuciusMare | wait, what? | 22:01 |
| LuciusMare | Why would you need that? | 22:01 |
| ech0Asus | to check voicemail | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | red pill mode for appman was killed in 1.1 iirc | 22:01 |
| _llll_ | isnt that redd thing obselete now? | 22:01 |
| LuciusMare | too bad | 22:01 |
| _llll_ | just use rootsh and then apt-get works | 22:01 |
| _llll_ | err, "sudo gainroot" not rootsh | 22:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | root | 22:02 |
| ech0Asus | i dunno that matrix thing don't work for me, i'll just use terminal | 22:03 |
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| ech0Asus | was thinkin it was a joke for a minute though lol | 22:03 |
| LuciusMare | ech0Asus: 21:01 < DocScrutinizer> red pill mode for appman was killed in 1.1 iirc | 22:03 |
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| Fredrik1994 | hm, openGL should work fine in maemo i guess? | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | anyone using skype? | 22:05 |
| ech0Asus | i am | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | ech0Asus, working? | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | (now that is) | 22:05 |
| ech0Asus | yes it works but is limited on its features | 22:05 |
| ghostcube_maemo | skype works but no file send possible | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | is it working now | 22:06 |
| ech0Asus | the old skype app was better | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG | I know it works | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-04-10 17:49:25] <satmd> skype on my n900 stopped working | 22:06 |
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| ghostcube_maemo | sure iam online right now | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG | It just says Not signed in | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-04-10 19:04:40] <satmd> ah, my skype worked again after a reboot. weird. | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG | and my PC can't sign in | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I tried all kinds of reboots :) | 22:06 |
| ghostcube_maemo | iam signed in in 2 accounts on 2 devices | 22:07 |
| ghostcube_maemo | works here | 22:07 |
| frals | ~bash the living shit out of package promoter | 22:07 |
| * infobot beats the living shit out of package promoter with ksh | 22:07 | |
| ghostcube_maemo | but it need more functions :) | 22:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: seen venomrush? | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG | ~seen Venomrush | 22:08 |
| infobot | venomrush <~opera@5ac78cbe.bb.sky.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 18h 48m 19s ago, saying: 'is extras repo down?'. | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 22:09 |
| frals | anyone seen a package actually get imported to repos since yesterday? | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'll PM him about it if you want | 22:09 |
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| MohammadAG | frals, nope | 22:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: :-) k | 22:09 |
| ghostcube_maemo | damn frozenbubble still not installable ;( | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | ghostcube_maemo, I fixed it, update the repos | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | ghostcube_maemo, which package is missing? | 22:11 |
| joga | hmm...shortcutd suddenly stopped working, reinstalling/restarting does not help, weird :/ | 22:11 |
| ghostcube_maemo | momentg | 22:11 |
| flux | joga, camera open? | 22:11 |
| flux | (camera app open) | 22:11 |
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| ghostcube_maemo | MohammadAG: works after repo update thx for fixing | 22:12 |
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| MohammadAG | ghostcube_maemo, no problem :) | 22:13 |
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| ghostcube_maemo | :) | 22:13 |
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| MohammadAG | skype's working again, had to delete the account | 22:23 |
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| joga | flux, damn, that's right :D lol, thanks | 22:35 |
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| flux | joga, done it myself :) | 22:37 |
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| frals | hmm | 23:01 |
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| frals | this different targets in sdk is confusing when you forget to upgrade one of them :P | 23:01 |
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| lcuk | frals, i wouldnt know | 23:02 |
| lcuk | only ever use the armel one if i can help it | 23:02 |
| frals | been using armel for building my packages but not noticed it was out of date until i tried to grep after some stuff that came with 1.2 | 23:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~ddos skype | 23:04 |
| * infobot about to DOS skype just for fun "Take that" | 23:04 | |
| zash | DocScrutinizer: +1 | 23:05 |
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| javispedro | oh | 23:07 |
| * javispedro notices that openvg is now on the n900, don't remember since when | 23:07 | |
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| lcuk | w00t_ you cannot do that | 23:14 |
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| w00t_ | but I just did :( | 23:15 |
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| ds3 | arrg... phone modules goes south under high loads :( | 23:20 |
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| * SpeedEvil would love wifi 'arcs' in the top bar to work like cell signal indicators | 23:25 | |
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| PhonicUK | hey all | 23:26 |
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| javispedro | SpeedEvil: they did in diablo | 23:29 |
| PhonicUK | anyone know about the state of the chromium port? | 23:29 |
| ds3 | does the 900 have a real phone mod or is it run off the omap? | 23:29 |
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| PhonicUK | ds3, it has a proper GSM module. | 23:30 |
| PhonicUK | its not a software implementation | 23:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yeah | 23:38 |
| SpeedEvil | hax on the modem would be fun. | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: PhonicUK: GSM can't be run in software without any hw support | 23:39 |
| SpeedEvil | for example - looking the aforementioned 3g nets up on the internet, ratehr than connecting. | 23:39 |
| PhonicUK | thats pretty much what i said :p | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: heh, nice idea | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | PhonicUK: yup | 23:40 |
| SpeedEvil | So you'd have a peer contributed list of stations. | 23:40 |
| PhonicUK | has anyone tried Chromium for Maemo? | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, actually you could ask carriers to support that. Low effort high added value | 23:41 |
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| MohammadAG_ | PhonicUK, here :p | 23:41 |
| PhonicUK | any good? | 23:41 |
| MohammadAG_ | yep | 23:42 |
| MohammadAG_ | well it's not optimized | 23:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | but it's good | 23:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | for what it is atm | 23:43 |
| PhonicUK | cool | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: as carriers always are like virgins with their network details, you could even make an ofer they can't refuse, as their servers could check if the IMEI in a request is actually located in the cell it queries network details for | 23:43 |
| PhonicUK | how does it compare to microb? | 23:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: optimized or optified? | 23:44 |
| javispedro | yet another abuse of the word "optimized" | 23:46 |
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| PhonicUK | but very appropriate | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | err what? | 23:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~optification | 23:47 |
| infobot | [optification] a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~dict optimization | 23:47 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'optimization' the act of rendering optimal; "the simultaneous optimization of growth and profitability"; "in an optimization problem we seek values of the variables that lead to an optimal value of the function that is to be optimized"; "to promote the optimization and diversification of agricultural products" | 23:47 |
| SpeedEvil | ~dict optometrist | 23:47 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'optometrist' (2): \Op*tom"e*trist\, n. One who is skilled in or practices optometry, especially one who examines the eyes for defects in vision and prescribes the proper lenses to correct any defects discovered. [Webster 1913 Suppl. +PJC] ;; a person skilled in testing for defects of vision in order to prescribe corrective glasses . | 23:47 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: not about you, but every time a tmoer says something about "optimizated" or "optified" I have fear | 23:47 |
| javispedro | *optimized | 23:48 |
| ds3 | i just want a modem that works | 23:48 |
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| PhonicUK | is the storage on the N900 a big 32GB thats partitioned, or are there muliple physical storage 'devices' like on the N97 | 23:49 |
| dmj726_n900 | both. | 23:49 |
| PhonicUK | nice -_- | 23:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the 32GB is one big eMMC | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | then you got 256MB OneNAND as well | 23:50 |
| PhonicUK | OneNANA = / ? | 23:50 |
| jacekowski | is it possible to get new gcc in scratchbox? | 23:50 |
| jacekowski | PhonicUK: just type of flash | 23:51 |
| jacekowski | PhonicUK: it's just faster than eMMC | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | PhonicUK: yep | 23:51 |
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| jacekowski | going back to my gcc | 23:51 |
| PhonicUK | i meant is OneNAND used for rootfs | 23:51 |
| lcuk | doooo deee dee dooooo | 23:51 |
| javispedro | jacekowski: yes, but <jedi mind trick>you don't want a new gcc in scratchbox</jedi mind trick> | 23:51 |
| PhonicUK | hence = / | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | eMMC is /home and MyDocs | 23:51 |
| lcuk | ooooh waaa ooooh | 23:51 |
| jacekowski | i would have to make it myself? | 23:51 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: i need it | 23:51 |
| jacekowski | mhm | 23:52 |
| jacekowski | i'll leave it for now | 23:52 |
| * javispedro curses jacekowski, forcing him to use diablo's gcc | 23:52 | |
| jacekowski | 4.2.1 | 23:52 |
| jacekowski | that's like 3 years old | 23:52 |
| javispedro | it's from 2007 | 23:53 |
| jacekowski | and it doesn't support instructions required by ffmpeg | 23:53 |
| javispedro | diablo was 2005 | 23:53 |
| javispedro | what instructions? | 23:53 |
| jacekowski | ( that's how i made my 1st build - by just removing it ) | 23:53 |
| jacekowski | vst1 | 23:53 |
| javispedro | that's not gcc, but binutils | 23:54 |
| jacekowski | vmin, vld1 | 23:54 |
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| jacekowski | well part of toolchain | 23:54 |
| javispedro | or you mean intrinsics? (it does not support intrinsics at all) | 23:54 |
| jacekowski | assembler that's with scratchbox doesn't support these instructions | 23:54 |
| javispedro | it does | 23:55 |
| javispedro | > as -mfpu=neon | 23:55 |
| javispedro | vmin.u32 d0, d0, d0 | 23:55 |
| javispedro | [a.out created] | 23:55 |
| * MohammadAG_ misses the N97 form factor | 23:55 | |
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| jacekowski | vfp | 23:56 |
| * DocScrutinizer misses maemo and N900 | 23:56 | |
| jacekowski | blah | 23:56 |
| jacekowski | vdup | 23:57 |
| jacekowski | ldr | 23:57 |
| jacekowski | or nvm | 23:57 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, you kill it? | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | it kills me :-P | 23:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah :-S | 23:58 |
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| * MohammadAG_ thought you disassembled it | 23:58 | |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: didn't survive reassembly? | 23:58 |
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| lcuk | no disassemble number five | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | hugest embarrassment in 40 years of EE practice | 23:58 |
| javispedro | jacekowski: yes, the default is mfpu=vfp, as per gcc.specs. | 23:58 |
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| PhonicUK | i still use my n97 | 23:59 |
| PhonicUK | purely for spotify | 23:59 |
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