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| dan2003 | javispedro: thanks | 00:07 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrut-borked, I guess your laptop didn't survive? | 00:13 |
| marcusmoller | heya guys | 00:13 |
| marcusmoller | what is the newest firmware version? | 00:14 |
| noobmonk3y | Pr 1.1.1 or v 3.2010.02-8 | 00:15 |
| LiraNuna | javispedro, where can I get your version of dosbox to compare? | 00:15 |
| javispedro | LiraNuna: extras-devel | 00:15 |
| LiraNuna | (source) | 00:15 |
| javispedro | same | 00:15 |
| javispedro | inside sbox with extras-devel enabled, apt-get source dosbox | 00:16 |
| LiraNuna | E: Couldn't find package dosbox | 00:16 |
| LiraNuna | is it ARMEL or X86 | 00:16 |
| javispedro | you need to enable devel | 00:16 |
| javispedro | both | 00:16 |
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| LiraNuna | I did enable devel | 00:16 |
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| javispedro | that's weird, let me see | 00:16 |
| LiraNuna | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > apt-get install dosbox | 00:16 |
| LiraNuna | bash: /usr/bin/apt-get: No such file or directory | 00:16 |
| LiraNuna | wtf | 00:16 |
| javispedro | 0.73-7maemo5 in extras-devel | 00:17 |
| LiraNuna | oh duh | 00:17 |
| LiraNuna | I activated extras, not devel | 00:17 |
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| javispedro | apt-get not found? | 00:17 |
| LiraNuna | in armel | 00:17 |
| javispedro | uhhh | 00:17 |
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| javispedro | it is in the debian devkit | 00:18 |
| LiraNuna | I'm on ubuntu 9.10 64bit | 00:18 |
| javispedro | shouldn't matter | 00:18 |
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| javispedro | LiraNuna: output of sb-conf show FREMANTLE_ARMEL should contain "debian-etch" | 00:20 |
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| FireStorm| | if i can't find a package in the download app manager what else can i do | 00:21 |
| LiraNuna | javispedro, devkits: none | 00:21 |
| FireStorm| | i did apt-get install package but get package not find | 00:21 |
| FireStorm| | found* | 00:21 |
| FireStorm| | tried for a apt-get update aswell | 00:21 |
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| javispedro | LiraNuna: bad install. either gui installer failure or you missed that step in manual install | 00:21 |
| LiraNuna | can I still do it from within scratchbox? | 00:21 |
| javispedro | yeah | 00:22 |
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| javispedro | sb-menu | 00:22 |
| LiraNuna | sb-menu -> Install? | 00:22 |
| javispedro | and go on | 00:22 |
| javispedro | setup | 00:22 |
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| javispedro | Compiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 Devkits: qemu perl debian-etch doctools svn git CPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin/qemu-arm-sb | 00:22 |
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| FireStorm| | ay one ideas? | 00:24 |
| LiraNuna | then extract rootstrap? | 00:24 |
| javispedro | LiraNuna: no need to if you did already | 00:24 |
| LiraNuna | there we go | 00:25 |
| LiraNuna | now it works | 00:25 |
| LiraNuna | thanks javispedro | 00:25 |
| uhsf | yesterday i used route add default gw 192.168.2.14 to be able to ping google.com from my n900 with usb networking but now it doesn't work anymore. what should i try instead? | 00:25 |
| LiraNuna | I was wondering why my armel has problems | 00:25 |
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| javispedro | FireStorm|: search for it here maemo.org/packages/ or http://ageofikon.info/packrat/ | 00:26 |
| ech0Nokia | anyone tested aircrack-ng on n900? saw on some googlin it was locked to only chan 6? that still an issue? | 00:26 |
| FireStorm| | nothing javispedro | 00:27 |
| javispedro | FireStorm|: then most probably doesn't exist. | 00:27 |
| uhsf | i was told i was missing the route via the pc to ping google.com from my n900, how to set this route? | 00:27 |
| FireStorm| | there must be a mms software ? | 00:28 |
| ech0Nokia | lol what? | 00:28 |
| ech0Nokia | yes fmms | 00:28 |
| FireStorm| | FFS | 00:28 |
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| FireStorm| | rmms is not fmms | 00:28 |
| till- | uhsf try rebooting | 00:28 |
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| FireStorm| | http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmms/ | 00:30 |
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| FireStorm| | so if i got it there | 00:30 |
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| FireStorm| | and i download the ,deb file | 00:30 |
| FireStorm| | how would i install it | 00:30 |
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| uhsf | till-: what do you think rebooting will restart? i hate rebooting my n900 not only because of the gay splashscreen jingle but mostly because it's a real pain to set up usb networking back everytime | 00:32 |
| pupnik | dpkg -i whatever.deb | 00:32 |
| javispedro | i wouldn't (dependencies!) | 00:32 |
| till- | uhsf as long as you havn't changed any files the route and network should be resettet | 00:35 |
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| FireStorm| | ? | 00:37 |
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| LiraNuna | javispedro, how can I know I got your version of the code? | 00:39 |
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| javispedro | LiraNuna: does it have a debian/patches directory? :) | 00:39 |
| LiraNuna | yes | 00:40 |
| javispedro | then you did :) | 00:40 |
| javispedro | do debian/rules patch inside sbox also | 00:40 |
| LiraNuna | what does that mean? I'm not familiar with debian packaging system | 00:41 |
| LiraNuna | build* | 00:41 |
| LiraNuna | I know about checkinstall, but that's about it | 00:41 |
| uhsf | till-: i still get ping: bad address 'google.com' after rebooting. what is wrong? | 00:42 |
| javispedro | LiraNuna: all my patches to the upstream source are in debian/patches | 00:42 |
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| uhsf | till-: my /etc/network/interfaces is exactly like in the wiki | 00:42 |
| javispedro | LiraNuna: to apply them all, you have to run "debian/rules patch" in the src dir | 00:42 |
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| LiraNuna | ../debian/rules:13: /usr/share/quilt/quilt.make: No such file or directory | 00:43 |
| LiraNuna | :| | 00:43 |
| javispedro | LiraNuna: apt-get install quilt | 00:43 |
| dan2003 | i have my sdk upgraded to pr1.2 and it seems i cannot presenlty test apps on the phone from wihtin eclipse - is this due to a conflict between 1.2 and the phone being 1.1.1 ? | 00:43 |
| LiraNuna | ah, that's what it is | 00:43 |
| javispedro | LiraNuna: you can also apply the patches separately, in your own dir | 00:43 |
| javispedro | LiraNuna: in case you want to reuse your "bork autoconf" setup ;) | 00:43 |
| LiraNuna | I don't mind | 00:44 |
| dan2003 | (it segfaults when i try on the phone) runs fine on pc | 00:44 |
| uhsf | does it change something if it's usb1 on my pc instead of usb0? | 00:44 |
| LiraNuna | I want to compile it just as you do | 00:44 |
| LiraNuna | just with 4.4.3 | 00:44 |
| javispedro | LiraNuna: then do "apt-get build-dep dosbox" | 00:44 |
| javispedro | and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 00:44 |
| till- | uhsf no idea, i just had to tweak my n800 to support pptp-vpn some time ago | 00:45 |
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| uhsf | in /etc/network/interfaces, the auto usb0 iface usb0, is it the usb0 on the n900 or the pc? | 00:46 |
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| LiraNuna | oh wow, javispedro the dynarec is armv4 | 00:48 |
| LiraNuna | // choose your destiny: | 00:48 |
| LiraNuna | hahaha | 00:48 |
| javispedro | LiraNuna: no wonder, original target was gp2x | 00:49 |
| LiraNuna | oooh | 00:49 |
| uhsf | why i can't ping google.com? is it possible there's a package missing? | 00:49 |
| LiraNuna | I believe that on N900 you need root to ping | 00:50 |
| uhsf | i tried as root | 00:50 |
| LiraNuna | javispedro, will the ARM dynarec be automatically build upon ARM target? | 00:50 |
| dan2003 | does anybody know if the n900 native medi player decodes mp3 on the CPU or in the DSP / whatever the media processor thing is | 00:51 |
| LiraNuna | or is there a magic undocumented configure switch | 00:51 |
| javispedro | LiraNuna: i don't remember the autoconf magic from the top of my head | 00:51 |
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| lcuk | uhsf, how long have you had your arch system up and running? and do you find it easy to do all your administration tasks in it? | 00:51 |
| dan2003 | i assume the flac/ogg addon support is cpu based - some has just compiled the existing libs | 00:51 |
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| javispedro | LiraNuna: from a quick look to the arm-target patch, you need to #define C_TARGETCPU ARMV4LE, #define C_DYNREC 1 | 00:53 |
| uhsf | lcuk: i'm using arch linux exclusively since 2005 | 00:53 |
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| LiraNuna | #define C_TARGETCPU ARMV4LE | 00:54 |
| LiraNuna | horray | 00:54 |
| LiraNuna | already there | 00:54 |
| javispedro | LiraNuna: weren't you building it using dpkg-buildpackage? | 00:54 |
| LiraNuna | no | 00:54 |
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| uhsf | arch is really my favorite distro. it's the most up to date for all software | 00:54 |
| LiraNuna | just wanted the source | 00:54 |
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| ssvb | LiraNuna: btw, does dynarec use thumb? | 00:56 |
| uhsf | i think it's easy to do admin tasks in arch, even if many things often break after updates. | 00:56 |
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| LiraNuna | ssvb, I didn't look at the code | 00:57 |
| javispedro | ssvb: thumb (1), iirc. | 00:57 |
| ssvb | thumb is problematic on OMAP3 | 00:57 |
| javispedro | and thumbee? | 00:58 |
| ssvb | javispedro: all kind of thumbs | 00:58 |
| javispedro | that's weird, they cripple jazelle then thumbee (the supposed "alternative"?) | 00:58 |
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| ssvb | javispedro: they did not intend to cripple it, these are just HW bugs in the first Cortex-A8 revisions (OMAP3430 uses Cortex-A8 r1p3) | 01:00 |
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| uhsf | i think i solved the ping problem by changing nameserver to my router's ip in /etc/resolv.conf, what kind of an ugly hack is this? | 01:01 |
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| LiraNuna | ugh, why does my N900 disconnects from skype/gtalk every 10mins or so | 01:02 |
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| javispedro | ssvb: oh god. have linky? | 01:06 |
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| ssvb | javispedro: cortex-a8 errata list, but it is not available for free download | 01:07 |
| ssvb | javispedro: here is one link http://sourceware.org/ml/binutils/2009-05/msg00297.html | 01:07 |
| javispedro | fortunately, that's thumbee only | 01:08 |
| ssvb | javispedro: it's thumb2 bug | 01:09 |
| ssvb | javispedro: and it's only one of the bugs | 01:09 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | signal sender=:1.37 -> dest=(null destination) serial=353 path=/org/bluez/889/hci0; interface=org.bluez.Adapter; member=PropertyChanged string "Powered" variant boolean false | 01:09 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | how do I turn this into a dbus call? | 01:09 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | dbus-send ...? | 01:10 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | [user@n900 user]% dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply /org/bluez/889/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.PropertyChanged string:"Powered" boolean:true | 01:10 |
| dan2003 | got a weird effect with qpushbuttons with png icons on, anything red comes out blue, and the same buttons that should have red on are all messed up | 01:10 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "PropertyChanged" with signature "sb" on interface "org.bluez.Adapter" doesn't exist | 01:10 |
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| ssvb | javispedro: and the problem with this bug is that it can be workarounded in the linker for the statically compiled code, but any JIT engine also has to avoid problematic instruction sequences | 01:12 |
| javispedro | yeah | 01:12 |
| javispedro | well, I though you were talking about performance problems | 01:12 |
| javispedro | dosbox in -devel has had the thumb1 jit enabled for months with no visible crash complaints | 01:13 |
| LiraNuna | that's cause it's armv4 | 01:14 |
| javispedro | the what? | 01:14 |
| LiraNuna | I think the problematic instructions are only in thumb2 | 01:15 |
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| javispedro | for the record, thumbee=thumb2 for me ;) | 01:15 |
| javispedro | (that's not exactly the case afaik but doesn't really matter much here) | 01:16 |
| ssvb | javispedro: no, they are a bit different: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0406b/index.html | 01:17 |
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| ssvb | LiraNuna: thumb1 also has HW bugs | 01:17 |
| LiraNuna | oh dear | 01:18 |
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| ssvb | LiraNuna: this one - http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=7ce236fcd6fd45b0441a2d49acb2ceb2de2e8a47 | 01:21 |
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| ssvb | LiraNuna: it can be workarounded, but it hurts context switch performance, which is bad for pulseaudio, dbus, etc. | 01:21 |
| LiraNuna | how do I Esc in dosbox, javispedro | 01:21 |
| JZA | anyone here have a cool opml that they want to share about Maemo/MeeGo | 01:21 |
| javispedro | LiraNuna: map it (-startmapper) | 01:22 |
| LiraNuna | ah | 01:22 |
| pupnik | i still wouldnt mind sdl-mixer working with rx51 alsa driver | 01:23 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: if dosbox jit can be switched to generate just normal arm code, that would be the best choice | 01:24 |
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| LiraNuna | first, pupnik wants me to see if switching to GCC 4.4.3 speeds anything up | 01:25 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: gcc 4.4.3 sometimes generates much slower code than 4.3 for arm | 01:25 |
| LiraNuna | it's better than 4.1.2 :) | 01:25 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: the biggest problem of gcc 4.4 is that the binaries are generally larger, and it is bad for I-cache | 01:26 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: is it? do you have any benchmarks? | 01:26 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: and I guess 4.1 is old and irrelevant anyway | 01:27 |
| LiraNuna | well, 4.1.2 hates NEON and ICEs for me if you use -O2 | 01:27 |
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| ssvb | LiraNuna: 4.1 even does not support NEON at all, NEON was only introduced in upstream gcc 4.3, codesourcery had it since 4.2 | 01:28 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | found it by trial and error :P | 01:28 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/889/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.SetProperty string:Powered variant:boolean:true | 01:28 |
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| ssvb | LiraNuna: and ICE is better than silent generation of a broken nonworking binary :) | 01:30 |
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| LiraNuna | true, but it's not the compiler's code, now is it | 01:30 |
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| ssvb | LiraNuna: most of the problems are related to gcc autovectorization, this is buggy to different extent on all platforms | 01:31 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: so it is always safer to explicitly disable it | 01:31 |
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| corecode | what's up with that overclocking talk | 01:31 |
| corecode | anybody have kernel patches? | 01:31 |
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| * MohammadAG_ waves hand | 01:31 | |
| corecode | share? | 01:32 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | added to Phone Control page | 01:34 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: about gcc optimizations quality: http://hardwarebug.org/2009/08/05/arm-compiler-shoot-out/ | 01:34 |
| * GAN900 wants his cloak. | 01:34 | |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: I can confirm that gcc 4.4 generates up to 30% slower code (also on the software other than ffmpeg) | 01:35 |
| LiraNuna | oh wow | 01:35 |
| javispedro | LiraNuna: btw, I just noted that fremantle_armels gcc version is 4.2.1 | 01:35 |
| javispedro | not 4.1 | 01:35 |
| LiraNuna | oh whoops | 01:35 |
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| JZA | corecode: yeah I wonder if there is some kind of planet for maemo folks | 01:36 |
| JZA | to keep current with the tips and tricks | 01:36 |
| JZA | or an opml that I can just add to my blog reader | 01:36 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | ssvb: Wow, ARM RVCT beats every compiler out there. I don't know this compiler, is it free as in free speech? | 01:38 |
| javispedro | no. | 01:39 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | corecode: planet maemo? talk.maemo.org ? | 01:39 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | JZA: I've got a list of good maemo blogs, if you want. I can send it to you in OPML format. | 01:39 |
| JZA | great... ptl_demands_PR12 | 01:40 |
| JZA | you can dcc it if you want | 01:40 |
| ssvb | ptl_demands_PR12: about free as speech gcc alternative for arm, clang/llvm might become interesting in the future | 01:41 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | ssvb: but right now, ARM RVCT isn't? | 01:42 |
| ssvb | ptl_demands_PR12: but today its arm target is highly experimental, and maybe only suitable just for simple helloworld applications | 01:42 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | JZA: sent | 01:42 |
| ssvb | ptl_demands_PR12: ARM RVCT is a quite expensive commercial compiler | 01:43 |
| JZA | thanks | 01:43 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | ssvb: I see :/ | 01:43 |
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| lcuk | (context: http://twitter.com/sjgadsby/status/11555976697) | 01:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: so, any idea where bme's % comes from? | 01:49 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, not really, though I'd point out that half of bq27200's sense resistors are connected to the cellmo side EM | 01:50 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 01:50 |
| corecode | moh | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG_ | does anyone know how to get the name of the song playing from terminal? | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG_ | corecode, was that a broken ping? :p | 01:51 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, amusingly, with an original nokia battery, bq27200 does pretty okay, as long as you keep in mind that what it's trying to accomplish is something different than the user-facing meter | 01:51 |
| corecode | MohammadAG_: sorta | 01:51 |
| corecode | seems the 2.6.34 kernel has been restructured | 01:52 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, with third party batteries, bq27200 starts to fail, with the mugen battery, it fails hard... and whatever bme does, despite being quirky, is far more usable | 01:52 |
| corecode | on the omap clocking | 01:52 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, bq27200 is really designed to be in the battery and not in the phone :) | 01:52 |
| SpeedEvil | what's it trying to do? | 01:52 |
| SpeedEvil | I know. | 01:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | corecode, restructured? | 01:53 |
| dan2003 | is there some var i can putin project.pro to get the SDK to built against qt 4.6.2.instead of 4.5? i thought i had updated to PR1.2 but i seem to still have both with 4.5 under /usr and 4.6.2 under /opt | 01:53 |
| corecode | MohammadAG_: header files changed | 01:53 |
| SpeedEvil | but the batteris could not be so inexpensive if they put chips in them | 01:53 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 01:53 |
| corecode | how's the usb host status? | 01:53 |
| MohammadAG_ | corecode, well he edited the omap .h file | 01:53 |
| MohammadAG_ | which is a header | 01:54 |
| javispedro | oh, I was looking for the omap34xx technical manual the other day | 01:54 |
| dan2003 | hmm, in fact i have 4.6.2 i both paces but the maemo5 integration is only on the /opt version | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm running a USB toaster from my N900 now. | 01:54 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, well basically bq27200's perception of energy is different. It's stated goal is to show 6.25% remaining capacity when the battery is at EDV1 threshold voltage. That's 0.025 volts higher than the point at which the device shuts down, or in other words, same point. | 01:54 |
| javispedro | and I find it now that I wasn't looking for it | 01:54 |
| corecode | MohammadAG_: yea, which does not exist in 2.6.34 anymore | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I only get 8 slices per charge. | 01:54 |
| MohammadAG_ | SpeedEvil, but does it blend? | 01:54 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, bme's goal seems to be to show 0% (ish) at first battery low warning | 01:54 |
| javispedro | the OMAP34xx manual: http://focus.ti.com/pdfs/wtbu/SWPU223A_FinalEPDF_03_17_2010.pdf | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 01:55 |
| ShadowJK | So just the different goals give widely different opinions on the state of charge of the battery | 01:55 |
| MohammadAG_ | corecode, so nokia restructured it? | 01:55 |
| ShadowJK | Also, bq27200 will happily show 6% for 2 days if it thinks hte battery is full | 01:55 |
| ShadowJK | or happily show 100% for 2 hours while charge current is 500mA, if it thinks the battery is full | 01:56 |
| ShadowJK | s/hte battery is full/the battery is empty/ | 01:56 |
| ShadowJK | ;-) | 01:56 |
| pupnik | weird | 01:57 |
| ShadowJK | BME thinks the mugen 2400mAh batteyr's capacity is 800mAh...1200mAh, due to a design error in the mugen battery, and will use current consumption to drive the capacity meter | 01:57 |
| ShadowJK | but, at certain voltage thresholds, it does some sort of sanity check, and will correct itself | 01:57 |
| ShadowJK | This all gives me the impression, that whatever bme is doing, is 10 years of people adding tons of heuristics to it | 01:58 |
| ShadowJK | bme is the hollistic approach, bq27200 is the high-tech approach. | 01:58 |
| ShadowJK | high-tech wins as long as you use the original battery, and let the device run down until it shuts down once a month or so. | 01:59 |
| ShadowJK | It's not designed to adapt to users swapping batteries, so when it tries to learn the properties of a battery, it will reject new data if it's out of line with previous information | 01:59 |
| ShadowJK | Which would happen if you change batteries | 02:00 |
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| ShadowJK | If it's really confused, it will fall back to the constants stored in the eeprom, which, as far as I can tell, are tailored for a brand new BL-5J battery | 02:01 |
| ShadowJK | But anyway, one of the nice things bq27200 gives us, is a current meter | 02:02 |
| ShadowJK | it's updated every 5.12 seconds | 02:02 |
| ShadowJK | And as long as you're inside 6...100% of what bq27200 considers charge level to be, the coloumb counter is accurate too. | 02:03 |
| lcuk | lol w00t_ | 02:03 |
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| w00t_ | :) | 02:09 |
| * SpeedEvil wants a task list widget. | 02:10 | |
| SpeedEvil | and camkeyd able to go to a desktop | 02:10 |
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| pupnik | can we see total current current drain in mA? | 02:12 |
| ShadowJK | pupnik, when not on charger, yes | 02:14 |
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| trumee_ | is there a graphical client for scp on maemo? | 02:15 |
| trumee_ | something ike winscp | 02:15 |
| pupnik | do you know how ShadowJK ? or have a search term for this? | 02:15 |
| trumee_ | manually scping is a bit off a hassle | 02:15 |
| trumee_ | pupnik: thanks for the pointer to knots. it is perfect | 02:16 |
| ShadowJK | pupnik, I have a binary and a script. I consider it extremely experimental, and would take no responsibility if it bricks your N900. If you understand this you can have it | 02:16 |
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| trumee_ | i am missing fish:// on n900 | 02:17 |
| ShadowJK | So far it has once made my N900 stop charging while connected to charger :) | 02:17 |
| ShadowJK | (it resumed charging when I unplugged and replugged charger) | 02:17 |
| pupnik | great trumee_ ! | 02:17 |
| pupnik | well im curious enough ShadowJK | 02:17 |
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| ShadowJK | pupnik, http://enivax.net/jk/bq27200.sh http://enivax.net/jk/i2cget | 02:21 |
| ShadowJK | Download those two | 02:21 |
| ShadowJK | Put them in a directory somewhere (I have them in ~) | 02:22 |
| ShadowJK | In that directory, be root. execute ./bq27200.sh | 02:22 |
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| ShadowJK | To get a dump of the current situation | 02:22 |
| ShadowJK | (Where current means "present") | 02:22 |
| ShadowJK | ./bq27200.sh 5 | 02:22 |
| ShadowJK | And you get a vmstat-like view that is updated every 5 seconds | 02:22 |
| ShadowJK | with time, battery voltage, Relative state of charge, Compensated state of charge, current drain/charge in mA, Nominal Available Capacity, discharge current compensated available capacity, discharge and temperature compensated available capacity, Time to full in minutes, Time to empty in minutes, temperature in kelvin, and EDV1 flag | 02:24 |
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| ShadowJK | pupnik, the script itself has some comments of the different values, if there's anything you want to know feel free to ask | 02:26 |
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| ShadowJK | Worth keeping in mind: When bq27200 is 100% accurate and correct, the device will, after a period of beeping low battery, shut down when bq27200 says 6-7% remaining capacity | 02:27 |
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| pupnik | awesome | 02:29 |
| pupnik | ty. finally a window into what im using | 02:30 |
| * luke-jr mutters | 02:30 | |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, HELLO | 02:30 |
| luke-jr | hi | 02:30 |
| luke-jr | luke the fool is trying to make his N810 vaguely useful today | 02:30 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | ShadowJK: but do you know the actual trigger? Is it 6 or 7 percent? | 02:30 |
| luke-jr | and getting more pissed | 02:30 |
| ShadowJK | ptl_demands_PR12, the actual trigger is voltage based. N900 will shut down at 3200mV | 02:31 |
| ShadowJK | Battery Low warning comes at 3550mV or in that region | 02:31 |
| * b-man|n900 boots up Windows 95 in dosbox on his N900 to test the integrity of his N900's 800mhz overclocked cpu | 02:31 | |
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| luke-jr | b-man|n900: that won't test it properly | 02:31 |
| ShadowJK | With a fresh-ish battery, the time between battery low and shutdown is about an hour | 02:32 |
| luke-jr | in general, overclocking is only noticable long-term | 02:32 |
| luke-jr | eg, CPU dies sooner | 02:32 |
| b-man|n900 | indeed | 02:32 |
| ShadowJK | With a very old/degraded battery, time between battery low and device shutdown could be a matter of seconds | 02:32 |
| ShadowJK | electromigration or whatever it was called... | 02:32 |
| ShadowJK | electron-migration? | 02:32 |
| b-man|n900 | i'm mostly doing it for testing purposes | 02:33 |
| SpeedEvil | electromigration | 02:33 |
| ShadowJK | http://pastebin.com/BcxNcLiM <- current output of my script | 02:33 |
| SpeedEvil | the electrons don't migrate | 02:33 |
| ShadowJK | It's becoming massive spaghetti-code bash though... I'm considering a C rewrite :/ | 02:33 |
| b-man|n900 | Lluke-jr: how should i test it? xD | 02:33 |
| b-man|n900 | *luke-jr | 02:34 |
| luke-jr | b-man|n900: I just wouldn't do it. :p | 02:34 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: neat! | 02:34 |
| ShadowJK | In this paste my N900 is consuming ~35mA to run 2 bq2700.sh scripts (one locally on device, one over ssh and wlan), openvpn and xchat, over wlan. | 02:35 |
| ShadowJK | screen off | 02:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | sounds ballpark | 02:35 |
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| ShadowJK | Battery voltage is 3.724 volt. At this low load, bq27200 says battery is at 23% | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | now - gnuplot! | 02:36 |
| pupnik | wh did you already delete them ShadowJK ? | 02:36 |
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| ShadowJK | pupnik, I did not? | 02:36 |
| pupnik | i was multitasking | 02:36 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 02:36 |
| luke-jr | so anyhow | 02:36 |
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| luke-jr | Nokia has screwed me still | 02:36 |
| ShadowJK | pupnik, hold on | 02:36 |
| luke-jr | GPS doesn't work at all. And today's new thing is NOLO doesn't either. | 02:37 |
| luke-jr | f u Nokia >:O | 02:37 |
| ShadowJK | pupnik, http://enivax.net/jk/n900/bq.tar | 02:37 |
| b-man|laptop | luke-jr: what do you think of that new MID Sharp just announced? | 02:37 |
| ShadowJK | my webserver is too smart | 02:37 |
| ShadowJK | sorry | 02:37 |
| luke-jr | b-man|laptop: didn't see it...? | 02:38 |
| * b-man|laptop grabs the link | 02:38 | |
| ShadowJK | TTF: 65535 <- there's no charging, so time to full is "infinite"=65535. TTE: 434 minutes <- 434 minutes estimated until empty at the current (last 5 seconds) load | 02:38 |
| ShadowJK | SI: 24 mA STTE: 666 minutes <- Standby consumption estimated as 24mA. In standby, battery would last 666 minutes | 02:39 |
| b-man|laptop | luke-jr: http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/sharp-is01-snapdragon-powered-3g-mid-introduces-au-to-android/ | 02:39 |
| luke-jr | Android? :( | 02:39 |
| ShadowJK | MLI: 772 mA MLTTE: 19 minutes <- Max load (either from eeprom, or observed by bq2700) is 772mA. At maximum load, battery would last 19 minutes at current charge level | 02:40 |
| b-man|laptop | luke-jr: i sure you could get something else running on it ;) | 02:40 |
| luke-jr | b-man|laptop: maybe | 02:40 |
| luke-jr | also capacitive ts | 02:40 |
| luke-jr | but you know | 02:41 |
| luke-jr | if that thing has enough RAM, I might actually be interested | 02:41 |
| pupnik | so did you find interesting results so far with it ShadowJK ? | 02:41 |
| ShadowJK | Last Measured Discharge: 1154 mAh <- The last time the battery was charged to full, and then discharged in one go to empty (device shutdown), this was the capacity of the energy released from the battery. Very "radical" changes in LMD are rejected, so it doesn't "learn" the new capacity of the huge mugen battery, unfortunately :( | 02:41 |
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| pupnik | oh cool | 02:42 |
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| luke-jr | b-man|laptop: any price release? | 02:42 |
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| ShadowJK | Cycle Count since Learning: 2 <- The Last Measured Discharge (LMD) was recorded this many cycles ago. | 02:42 |
| b-man|laptop | luke-jr: not from what i've seen | 02:42 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: cheat? | 02:42 |
| pupnik | im hoping to get a better feel for which things to avoid to maximize batt life | 02:42 |
| ShadowJK | Total Cycle Count since last full reset: 78 <- a "full reset" is very rare, so this is basically the amoutn of charge/discharge cycles the chip has seen | 02:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: dischargbe to q1300, 1400,... | 02:43 |
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| b-man|laptop | luke-jr: here are a few specs: http://en.akihabaranews.com/41510/phone/hands-on-jn-dk01-and-is01-sharp-and-au-first-android-mid | 02:44 |
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| ShadowJK | Charge:0 NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:0 CALIP:0 VDQ:1 EDV1:0 EDVF: 0 <- IMIN=1 <- charge current has tapered off to such a low level that the battery can be considered full. CI <- 1 means Capacity Inaccurate. VDQ <- 1 means "valid discharge", all the conditions required are met for bq27200 to learn the new capacity when reaching EDV1. EDV1 <- Battery voltage has reached the EDV1 threshold which signals 6.25% battery capacity. If VDQ=1, the accumulated capacity from | 02:45 |
| ShadowJK | full to low is a candidate for learning the battery's capacity | 02:45 |
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| luke-jr | b-man|laptop: that's a blank page | 02:46 |
| b-man|laptop | O_- | 02:46 |
| b-man|laptop | **O_o | 02:47 |
| b-man|laptop | 1 sec | 02:47 |
| SpeedEvil | n900 hardware power consumption | 02:47 |
| SpeedEvil | page on wiki | 02:47 |
| b-man|laptop | luke-jr: http://en.akihabaranews.com/41510/phone/hands-on-jn-dk01-and-is01-sharp-and-au-first-android-mid < the page is completely blank?? - it's rendering fine from my browser... | 02:48 |
| luke-jr | i had to scroll to the right | 02:48 |
| ShadowJK | ILMD=1370 EDVF=3000 EDV1=3248 ISLC=13 <- ILMD Initial Last Measured Discharge, the default initial last measured capacity of no learning cycle has been completed. EDVF = battery empty voltage, EDV1 = battery 6.25% threshold voltage. ISLC = Initial Standby Load Current. The amount of power consumed in standby. b27200 adjusts this up and down depending on actual load. Consumption "much" higher than SLC will not be considered a standby | 02:48 |
| b-man|laptop | ah | 02:48 |
| b-man|laptop | lol | 02:48 |
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| ShadowJK | DMF=14700 nanoVolt SD=201 AGELMD=1 TAPER=68 mA. The chip will account for 0.201% battery self-discharge per day. AGELMD=1=in the asbence of valid learning cycles, the chip is programmed to estimate the capacity loss of the battery due to age and temperature. TAPER, when the charge current has tapered off to 68mA, the chip will consider the battery fully charged | 02:50 |
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| pupnik | wow this is complicated | 02:50 |
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| b-man|laptop | luke-jr: what do you think? | 02:50 |
| luke-jr | b-man|laptop: I think the RAM is the crucial piece | 02:51 |
| luke-jr | also, what of GPS? | 02:51 |
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| b-man|laptop | not entirely sure until a more detailed spec sheet is available ;P | 02:52 |
| ShadowJK | IMLC=685 mA The maximum programmed load. Initially MLC=IMLC. MLC is used to calculate "Time to empty at maximum load" value. If average current over a 5.12 second period (AI) exceeds MLC, MLC is updated with the value from AI. So, MLC is the max of IMLC and the biggest current drain observed so far | 02:52 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: www.mauve.plus.com/stats - mine | 02:53 |
| ShadowJK | 404 | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | wow | 02:53 |
| b-man|laptop | lol | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | my connection is being sucky | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | ftp up stalled | 02:53 |
| luke-jr | how do you add to pdadb? | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | there | 02:55 |
| luke-jr | ? | 02:56 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, you've never let your N900 run down until it shut down :) | 02:56 |
| pupnik | interesting | 02:56 |
| b-man|laptop | luke-jr: pdadb? | 02:57 |
| pupnik | why are MLI and SLI only given as averages? can we get "last 10 seconds" also? | 02:57 |
| ShadowJK | 74 charge/discharge cycles that makes your device about as old as mine :) | 02:57 |
| luke-jr | ... | 02:57 |
| luke-jr | b-man|laptop: .net | 02:57 |
| b-man|laptop | not sure on that one.. | 02:58 |
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| ShadowJK | pupnik, MLI and SLI aren't averages | 02:58 |
| ShadowJK | but "average current" is | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | possibly not | 02:58 |
| ShadowJK | Maximum load Current is the maximum load, over 5 seconds, ever observed, OR IMLC from eeprom | 02:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Interesting. | 02:59 |
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| ShadowJK | SLI is standby current, there's some heuristics involved in this... | 02:59 |
| SpeedEvil | I woonder if that 17ma reading is a bogon | 02:59 |
| ShadowJK | I don't remember the heuristics well enough.. | 02:59 |
| pupnik | oh nm sorry | 03:00 |
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| ShadowJK | But approximately: If AI (average current) is close enough to ISLC, the consumption is considered to be "standby", and SLC is updated. If AI is too much bigger than SLC/ISLC, it is not considered as "Standby", and has no impact on the SLC/ISLC and SLTTE values | 03:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I get quite common -21s (locked) | 03:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | just xchat | 03:02 |
| SpeedEvil | reading over wifi | 03:02 |
| ShadowJK | yeah, same here | 03:02 |
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| ShadowJK | varying between -20 and -50 approx | 03:02 |
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| ShadowJK | This value is averaged by the chip over a 5.12 second period, so that if you were to read this exactly every 5.12 seconds, you could integrate them and get accurate view of the amount of current that has moved in and out of the battery | 03:03 |
| ShadowJK | The chip does its own integration into NAC, with the limitation that NAC can not exceed LMD, and NAC can not go lower than LMD*0.0625 | 03:04 |
| ShadowJK | NAC is set to LMD if the TAPER flag is raised | 03:05 |
| SpeedEvil | interesting | 03:05 |
| SpeedEvil | backlight at max brightness only about doubles screen power use | 03:06 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 03:06 |
| ShadowJK | What surprised me was how little power video playback onto LCD used | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | 35maish for screen, 70 for max bl | 03:07 |
| ShadowJK | Like, having xchat online on 3g with screen off and device idle used as much power as xchat idle on wlan, screen on, and playing 480p youtube video clips | 03:07 |
| SpeedEvil | in flash? | 03:08 |
| ShadowJK | No, media player | 03:08 |
| ShadowJK | I had downloaded the clips previously with gpodder | 03:08 |
| pupnik | sweeet. sweeeet | 03:08 |
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| pupnik | mplayer direct to alsa saves ~20ma | 03:09 |
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| ShadowJK | lol | 03:09 |
| pupnik | that is like cranking screen brightness up | 03:09 |
| SpeedEvil | can bvolt be outputted easily? | 03:10 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, hm? | 03:10 |
| SpeedEvil | bat voly | 03:10 |
| SpeedEvil | t | 03:10 |
| ShadowJK | Well it's a 16 bit read | 03:10 |
| ShadowJK | VOLT=$(.... | 03:10 |
| SpeedEvil | as most loads will be constant power, not constant current | 03:11 |
| ShadowJK | and then VOLT=$(($VOLT... | 03:11 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: had a guy from work call me this morning: "I'm selling my 5D, interested?" | 03:11 |
| GAN900 | oops | 03:11 |
| GAN900 | It's OK, you can carry two | 03:11 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, so you want battery voltage and current to be displayed? | 03:11 |
| crashanddie | yeah, but it's a mk 1, so I'm not interested | 03:11 |
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| GAN900 | One for telephoto, one for portrait. :P | 03:11 |
| GAN900 | Ah | 03:11 |
| crashanddie | and even if it had been a mk 2, I wouldn't have been able to afford it | 03:12 |
| crashanddie | I'm about to be very very broke, that's the kind of shit you get when you give up your job and have to travel back to the other side of the friggin planet. | 03:12 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, if you do ./bq27200.sh 5 | 03:12 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, you will get time, battery voltage, current | 03:12 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, if you only want battery voltage I guess you'll have to edit the script and comment out all the "extra" stuff :) | 03:13 |
| SpeedEvil | k | 03:13 |
| pupnik | 90-110 ma right now with irssi, wifi, low brightness, and mplayer-alsa playing my lectures | 03:13 |
| ShadowJK | mv RSOC CSOC mA NAC CACD CACT TTF TTE TEMP EDV1 | 03:13 |
| ShadowJK | 03:12 3714 21 21 -30 243 243 243 65535 482 300 0 | 03:13 |
| ShadowJK | "mv" column is battery voltage | 03:13 |
| pupnik | thanks again ShadowJK - so fun | 03:14 |
| ShadowJK | BTW, while you're looking at the script, I'd ask you to ignore the spaghetti-code factors of it | 03:14 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | odd | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | missed that | 03:15 |
| pupnik | btw how do you get only -39 mA ShadowJK | 03:15 |
| pupnik | -30 | 03:15 |
| ShadowJK | And instead boggle at the hoops required to unpack 2 3-bit integers stored in a byte, starting at line 133 ;-) | 03:16 |
| SpeedEvil | odd - I'm getting runs of _9_ | 03:16 |
| SpeedEvil | well - -9 | 03:16 |
| ShadowJK | pupnik, what's yours? | 03:16 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, It's not impossible... | 03:16 |
| SpeedEvil | that's locked | 03:17 |
| SpeedEvil | wlan on, updating over wifi every 5s | 03:17 |
| pupnik | -89 to -240 in last screenful | 03:17 |
| ShadowJK | pupnik, on N900? | 03:17 |
| pupnik | yes | 03:17 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah, with screen on -80 is about the lowest you'd see | 03:18 |
| ShadowJK | where "lowest" means "closest to 0" | 03:18 |
| pupnik | mostly around 110 | 03:18 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, I saw really low standby values when I had everything offline and CPU inactive | 03:19 |
| ShadowJK | and wlan with nothing moving over it is almost as good as offline.. | 03:19 |
| ShadowJK | But I'll be honest, I haven't calculated the numerical accuracy at this at all :) | 03:19 |
| ShadowJK | sh script doesn't do floating point, it's all integer, constants muliplied by 1000 to fit into integers, and the end result divided by appropriate 1000's to become mA | 03:21 |
| SpeedEvil | I wonder why it does a long run of 9s, then stops | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | I need to try without xchat up I guess | 03:23 |
| ShadowJK | "stops"? | 03:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | goes to 30s | 03:24 |
| pupnik | working great here. very interesting to see this stuff | 03:24 |
| SpeedEvil | indeed | 03:24 |
| ShadowJK | I'm at 27 having closed xchat | 03:25 |
| ShadowJK | Closed ALL remaining apps, and left it at homescreen with foreca widget... | 03:25 |
| ShadowJK | let's see :) | 03:25 |
| ShadowJK | -17 | 03:27 |
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| ShadowJK | -16 | 03:27 |
| ShadowJK | 3.7V | 03:27 |
| ShadowJK | -15 | 03:28 |
| ShadowJK | oops, forgot an xterm | 03:28 |
| ShadowJK | Nope, still at -15...-17 :) | 03:29 |
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| b-man|laptop | ShadowJK: what are you doing? | 03:30 |
| pupnik | so my 2 minute screenm dimming delay is a problem | 03:30 |
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| ShadowJK | -50 on edge instead of wlan :/ | 03:30 |
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| ShadowJK | b-man|laptop, realtime battery load measurements | 03:30 |
| b-man|laptop | ah | 03:30 |
| b-man|laptop | for what purpose may i ask? | 03:31 |
| lcukn900 | hey i set my clock on n900 to automatic, but its not refreshing. | 03:31 |
| lcukn900 | how do i update it from console | 03:31 |
| ShadowJK | b-man|laptop, fun. | 03:31 |
| b-man|laptop | lol :) | 03:31 |
| ShadowJK | b-man|laptop, it's interesting to only have a 5 second delay in knowing how much power the N900 is using, instead of the customary "how long does it last until empty" metric ;) | 03:32 |
| b-man|laptop | indeed :) | 03:32 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, hah, I reached -6 by putting the device offline! | 03:33 |
| ShadowJK | Only openvpn and sshd running, basically | 03:33 |
| ShadowJK | (and bq27200.sh) | 03:33 |
| pupnik | very useful to see mow much cpu load websurfing, mp3 playback, emulators, wifi, screen takes | 03:33 |
| ShadowJK | I think next step is to modify/rewrite script to collect data every 5 seconds, and average and display the data every minute | 03:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | or make that a postprocessor script | 03:37 |
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| b-man|laptop | LOL, my school teacher is emailing me O_o | 03:39 |
| pupnik | -40 to -50 with screen off, mp3 playback,irssi | 03:40 |
| ShadowJK | b-man|laptop, obviously you want to reply with a tinyurl link to ricky marti | 03:40 |
| ShadowJK | n | 03:40 |
| ShadowJK | pupnik, that's awesome :) | 03:40 |
| b-man|laptop | lol | 03:40 |
| b-man|laptop | ShadowJK: i'm gonna do it >:) | 03:41 |
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| ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, you're either logging on very late, or very early | 03:41 |
| pupnik | ShadowJK: heres the cmdline for that mplayer alias mprlo='pasuspender -- mplayer -shuffle -ao alsa:device=hw=0.0 -quiet -softvol' | 03:42 |
| ShadowJK | hm, how does media player compare? | 03:42 |
| pupnik | will test | 03:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | stock media player bouncimg around 60 | 03:45 |
| ShadowJK | not too bad | 03:45 |
| SpeedEvil | at very low speaker vol | 03:45 |
| SpeedEvil | mp3 | 03:45 |
| pupnik | 65 to 80 | 03:45 |
| pupnik | pretty loud here | 03:45 |
| SpeedEvil | spealer? | 03:46 |
| pupnik | yes | 03:46 |
| pupnik | 80 pct volume | 03:47 |
| pupnik | ok im gonna get used to a 10 second screen dimming now | 03:47 |
| pupnik | that is huge | 03:48 |
| * ShadowJK has it at max | 03:48 | |
| ShadowJK | I always manually dim it with the keylock key anyway.. | 03:48 |
| SpeedEvil | 170 | 03:49 |
| DocScrut-borked | what are you nerds after? | 03:49 |
| SpeedEvil | for me, speaker | 03:49 |
| SpeedEvil | bq* stats | 03:50 |
| DocScrut-borked | hehe | 03:50 |
| SpeedEvil | 9mA standby with wifi and ssh going is mindboggling | 03:50 |
| ShadowJK | I haven't quite decided yet if RS=30 is the correct value :) | 03:51 |
| ShadowJK | 31 makes ILMD look more right, but 30 is a "nicer" and "rounder" constant ;-) | 03:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | ilmd? | 03:52 |
| DocScrut-borked | SpeedEvil: not really. and if you're talking bout bq27k that chip won't even tell the spikes as they are simply not detected as idle | 03:52 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, Initial Last Measurged Discharged. The battery capacity bq27200 is programmed for | 03:52 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 03:52 |
| DocScrut-borked | the one that make the thing fail for mugen | 03:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: you need to add above comments to help im script | 03:54 |
| ShadowJK | LMD=ILMD until a learning cycle, LMD will be updated by measured discharge from full to shutdown-threshold if the conditions required are met, and if the new measured capacity is within a certain range of ILMD or last valid LMD | 03:55 |
| * RobbieAB starts installing scratchbox | 03:55 | |
| ShadowJK | "Initial Last Measured Discharge. LMD = ILMD if no valid learning cycle has been completed." | 03:55 |
| ShadowJK | in the script ;) | 03:55 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 03:55 |
| RobbieAB | I must be mad trying to set-up PAN access point. | 03:56 |
| SpeedEvil | sorry, tired | 03:56 |
| RobbieAB | I suspect it's going to require kernel smacking :s | 03:56 |
| * DocScrut-borked is constantly headbanging the desk, wall etc. Today this friggin fan in my laptop came to a noisy grinding halt. 2hy must such things happen at long weekends? | 03:56 | |
| RobbieAB | Because you don't remember them when they don't? | 03:57 |
| ShadowJK | When else would it happen? It always happens when most inconvenient :( | 03:57 |
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| DocScrut-borked | apropos script with comments. I feel like a parrot, but do you know people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail ? | 03:58 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrut-borked, yeah you pasted it earlier ;) | 04:00 |
| RobbieAB | Silly question: the instructions for the scratchbox installation say to check 3 sysctl keys: Do they all need to return a value? Is it bad if two return "unknown key"? | 04:00 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrut-borked, sh is kinda write-only for me though ;( | 04:00 |
| DocScrut-borked | sh is write-only ??? | 04:01 |
| DocScrut-borked | errr dont get it | 04:01 |
| javispedro | write-only read-never programming language, like brainfuck (wild guess) :D | 04:01 |
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| javispedro | RobbieAB: what sysctl keys? | 04:02 |
| ShadowJK | Sort of :) | 04:02 |
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| DocScrut-borked | ahh | 04:02 |
| ShadowJK | That script takes an entire ram+eeprom dump and prints out (mostly) raw annotated values :) | 04:02 |
| javispedro | RobbieAB: vdso stuff? as long as one key works, everything will be fine. | 04:03 |
| RobbieAB | sysctl abi.vsyscall32; sysctl vm.vdso_enabled; sysctl kernel.vdso | 04:03 |
| * MohammadAG_ mods a bullet belt into a battery belt for the N900 | 04:03 | |
| RobbieAB | javispedro: Ah, thank you. I was wondering as I couldn't see anything that made sense for the other 2 in the kernel configs, so thought I should ask before begining a long trawl. | 04:03 |
| javispedro | RobbieAB: "Please note the correct line depends on your Linux kernel version. When you execute sysctl -p you may get a warning about unknown keys. You can safely ignore those warnings as long as one of the 3 settings works. " | 04:03 |
| DocScrut-borked | there's just one line in that script to adapt for N900. it's the readout from sysnode raw which returns the whole registerset in hex | 04:04 |
| DocScrut-borked | iirc | 04:04 |
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| RobbieAB | javispedro: I'm probably following a different set of instructions, as I'm following the gentoo ones :D | 04:04 |
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| javispedro | RobbieAB: ah well | 04:04 |
| DocScrut-borked | you'd need to substitute the 'cat sys...' by I2*get | 04:04 |
| RobbieAB | javispedro: Anyway, it's getting there, slowly, thank you :) | 04:05 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrut-borked, yeah that sounds right | 04:05 |
| ShadowJK | and removing the bashisms :) | 04:06 |
| * RobbieAB may be about to produce a package that qualifies as utterly vile :D | 04:08 | |
| ShadowJK | I guess for loop and some string concatenation into dmp() function.. | 04:10 |
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| DocScrut-borked | ShadowJK: removing bashisms - have fun :-P | 04:20 |
| ShadowJK | My current script works in busybox sh! | 04:21 |
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| ShadowJK | And, you know, I /enjoyed/ using busybox sh to extract 3 different values packed into a single 8-bit byte ;p | 04:21 |
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| ShadowJK | it's like 15 years ago when all I had to code on was a handheld Casio calculator ;\ | 04:23 |
| ShadowJK | and BASIC | 04:23 |
| ShadowJK | It's like smoking crack, except there's no fire involved | 04:23 |
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| javispedro | ah, apple. | 04:31 |
| javispedro | I usually read a few rss items before going to bed. it's going to be though today when all of them talk about apple this apple that | 04:32 |
| DocScrut-borked | btw I was quite lazy not uploading the final version of this script from FR to server. The version there not even has temperature plain value, not to mention the statusbyte with all the bits in there | 04:33 |
| * ShadowJK has all the bits | 04:35 | |
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| crashanddie | GAN900: GENEVEN IS AN ARSEHOLE | 04:51 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, no shit? | 04:51 |
| crashanddie | lol... [CapsLockWarning: Crashanddie @ #maemo] | 04:51 |
| RobbieAB | WHAT? | 04:51 |
| * RobbieAB is curious. | 04:52 | |
| RobbieAB | Ok, that didn't trigger any warning for me :s | 04:52 |
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| crashanddie | RobbieAB: I doubt we use the same client/scripts | 04:52 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: check tmo | 04:53 |
| RobbieAB | crashanddie: Oh, it's a warning by your client... fair enough | 04:53 |
| RobbieAB | I was sort of expecting it as a bot warning or something :p | 04:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, lol | 04:56 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: have you seen what he posted in off topic? I mean, seriously? | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, nope. | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, but that guy is trouble. | 04:56 |
| crashanddie | Moderators Need Moderation | 04:57 |
| crashanddie | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=594442#post594442 | 04:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, lol, I love that scroll picture. | 04:58 |
| crashanddie | scroll picture? | 04:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx has a look like "What the hell kind of silly shit have I gotten myself into? . . . " | 04:59 |
| crashanddie | haha | 04:59 |
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| crashanddie | yeah | 04:59 |
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| * RobbieAB is really bashing his system... loads of 32bit binaries... *shudder* | 05:03 | |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: I'm this close |<---->| to say "Screw you" and give up my mod status | 05:05 |
| crashanddie | (actual scale) | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, meh. | 05:05 |
| crashanddie | nha seriously, I'm sick of only getting shit | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd just do my pest to ignore him. | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's what a moderator position IS. | 05:05 |
| crashanddie | when we do something, we get shit | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not a thanks-filled job. :P | 05:05 |
| crashanddie | when we don't, we get shit | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're there to clean up shit and take shit. | 05:06 |
| crashanddie | well, I have better things to do with my days | 05:06 |
| crashanddie | you got elected, you clean up the shit | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then resign. ;) | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Screw that! :P | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm a facilitator. | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I con other people into cleaning up the shit. | 05:06 |
| ShadowJK | the election wasn't about mods, surely | 05:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, it's not. | 05:07 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK: I think there's a bit more to it | 05:08 |
| RobbieAB | I'm installing my sdk, and making it up as I go along. | 05:09 |
| RobbieAB | I wonder if it would work an a 64bit non-multi-lib system... | 05:09 |
| * MohammadAG_ is still trying to figure out how to flash a kernel on device. | 05:12 | |
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| * RobbieAB is pondering just inserting kernel modules against the standard kernel | 05:13 | |
| RobbieAB | I freely admit my proposed package is likely to be utterly vile :D | 05:14 |
| * MohammadAG only has a zImage atm so he has to use flasher | 05:14 | |
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| RobbieAB | I just need a couple of bits of functionality that aren't in the kernel. | 05:15 |
| RobbieAB | If I can use a loadable module to add them... | 05:15 |
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| openstandards | is meego going to be anymore open? | 05:30 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: I'm tempted to post this to his public moaning: http://img263.imageshack.us/i/screenshot20100404at121.png/ | 05:33 |
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| bullet` | hello room | 07:20 |
| RobbieAB | Hello bullet` | 07:21 |
| bullet` | hi | 07:21 |
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| stillinbeta | Hello all. I'm trying to flash my n800 under Ubuntu Lucid, and I keep getting a "Device or Resource Busy." I've tried the modprobe -r cdc_phonet specified on the wiki. Any ideas? | 07:56 |
| crashanddie | interesting http://www.mrgadget.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/ironman.jpg | 08:04 |
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| Stskeeps | wb wazd | 08:41 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: heya :) | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | how's stuff? | 08:43 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: want to sleep so much :P | 08:45 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZYMpudRSdk seen that? :) | 08:45 |
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| Stskeeps | your work? :P | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | also, that's a mighty waste of screen estate.. | 08:50 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: well, it looks cool for the ad, but since video samples are like 5 secs long - not sure that they will not become boring after 30 minutes :) | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | unless they show a live camera from where it does rain ;) | 08:52 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: saw the jogglers are down at 49 pound now btw? | 08:55 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I'm thinking on how to emulate "live picture" btw :) | 08:55 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: the who? :D | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/646001/o2-joggler-49-99-now-with-free-app- | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | hackable to run linux :P | 08:56 |
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| wazd | oh | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | plugging into DC only though | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | 1.6ghz atom pc, 7" 800x480 capactivie screen, 512mb ram | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | usb plug, ethernet, wifi, mono speakers and speaker output plug | 08:58 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: hmm-hmm :P | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | runs Mer .. ;) | 08:58 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm personally worried about russian shipping though :P | 09:01 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: it looks like it's desktop only terminal though :) | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | it is without battery, yes | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | but extremely useful for prototyping | 09:03 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: well, nothing is better for prototyping than actual hardware :P | 09:20 |
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| LiraNuna | why is my N900 disconnects so much from gtalk/skype? | 09:39 |
| LiraNuna | it's not bad connectivity - the device is ~4 meters away from the router | 09:39 |
| LiraNuna | even less | 09:39 |
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| Stskeeps | i think there's a bad timeout somewhere | 09:40 |
| LiraNuna | anything I can investigate? | 09:40 |
| LiraNuna | I think it's sucking useless battery | 09:41 |
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| Surfa | LiraNuna, battery doesnät have anything to do with that problem | 09:57 |
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| Surfa | and well, it doesn't guarantee anything if you're located 1m or 20m from the router, there are plenty of places to look problems, and quite certainly the problem isn't your n900 | 09:58 |
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| * RobbieAB has similar problems with his 3G connection | 10:01 | |
| RobbieAB | But as Pidgin didn't experience them, I assumed it was related to an overly sensitive instant messenger. | 10:02 |
| Surfa | in case of wlan first guess is crappy wlan ap, in case of 3g crappy operator network | 10:02 |
| Surfa | live cellular networks are so crappu that most people can't even imagine how much data get's lost on them | 10:03 |
| RobbieAB | Surfa: Probably. But as I said, Pidgin doesn't get disconnected from the same IM network | 10:03 |
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| Surfa | it's still not the reason for problems :) | 10:04 |
| RobbieAB | Surfa: MSN works perfectly from pidgin and not from the default IM program is NOT an indicator that it's not JUST a network problem? | 10:05 |
| RobbieAB | (Don't get me started on using the "Purple protocols" in the instant messenger) | 10:06 |
| Surfa | pidgin has just hidden the real problems from you, it doesn't necessarily make it work any better | 10:06 |
| Surfa | you may e.g. lose messages silently or similar, even that it appears to work correctly | 10:07 |
| LiraNuna | <Surfa> in case of wlan first guess is crappy wlan ap, in case of 3g crappy operator network | 10:07 |
| LiraNuna | I don't think my AP is 'crappy' | 10:07 |
| RobbieAB | And the same connection works fine in a 3G modem on a laptop? | 10:07 |
| LiraNuna | and it's constant disconnection | 10:07 |
| LiraNuna | at a semi-static rate | 10:08 |
| LiraNuna | ~10 minutes or so | 10:08 |
| Surfa | LiraNuna, sounds like some nat keepalive problem | 10:08 |
| Surfa | RobbieAB, it's really easy to blame application for such problems, but quite often the problem isn't where it SEEMS to be.. not you or I can tell anything with this amount of information | 10:09 |
| Surfa | we'd need packet captures and other debugging information to be sure what the real problem is | 10:09 |
| RobbieAB | Surfa: I am aware of that, but... It LOOKS like it's the application flagging accounts offline when the actual account has a longer timeout than the connection drop. | 10:10 |
| Surfa | LiraNuna, what brand is your wlan ap? | 10:10 |
| LiraNuna | WRT350N | 10:10 |
| RobbieAB | Which might make sense actually, if it's dealing with voice as opposed to text by default. | 10:10 |
| Surfa | I happen to know that e.g. linksys is really crappy with it's nat implementation | 10:10 |
| LiraNuna | it's running dd-wrt | 10:10 |
| LiraNuna | Surfa, hw or software? | 10:11 |
| Surfa | how old is your ap, I got mine broken with similar symptoms just after warranty went out :) | 10:11 |
| Surfa | linksys whatever model, i can't remember | 10:11 |
| LiraNuna | ~8 months? | 10:11 |
| LiraNuna | it's not new, but not old either | 10:12 |
| Surfa | LiraNuna, sw at least, and personal experiences about the hw aren't very impressive either | 10:12 |
| Surfa | do you have same problem with 3g? | 10:12 |
| LiraNuna | I never had network problems | 10:12 |
| Surfa | or gprs? | 10:12 |
| LiraNuna | Surfa, yes | 10:12 |
| Surfa | ok, same isp on both or different? | 10:13 |
| LiraNuna | T-mobile vs Comcast | 10:13 |
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| Surfa | hm ok, it could be worth investigating | 10:13 |
| LiraNuna | and at my workplace, where HSPDA is available (shows up as 3.5) happens as well | 10:14 |
| Surfa | if connectivity problems happen on different radiolinks and operators then most probable problems are out of question | 10:14 |
| LiraNuna | full reception | 10:14 |
| LiraNuna | it gets annoying when I sleep | 10:15 |
| LiraNuna | there's a small sound when you go off and on | 10:15 |
| Surfa | someone could try to file a bug or try to check if it could be made less sensitive for network problems | 10:15 |
| LiraNuna | I don't want to file a bug for something I can't prove | 10:16 |
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| RobbieAB | Surfa: Surely sensitivity to problems has an impact on VoIP quality? | 10:16 |
| Surfa | someone | 10:16 |
| Surfa | not you | 10:16 |
| LiraNuna | oh kay... | 10:16 |
| Surfa | RobbieAB, most likely yes | 10:16 |
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| Surfa | there needs to be some compromise between sensitivity and qos | 10:17 |
| Surfa | but well, if this is problem for multiple people it should be checked :) | 10:17 |
| RobbieAB | Well, I can confirm that I have had problems with MSN (Pecan) when Pidgin works fine with no noticeable interruptions. | 10:18 |
| RobbieAB | Being me, I just stuck with pidgin for my IM needs, as I prefer the interface anyway for chatting. | 10:19 |
| Surfa | LiraNuna, what im did you say you had problems? | 10:19 |
| Surfa | gtalk and msn? could it be pecan related issue? | 10:19 |
| RobbieAB | I also had the problem with Skype. :D | 10:19 |
| LiraNuna | I don't know for sure - it says "one or more accounts" :/ | 10:19 |
| Surfa | ok :) | 10:20 |
| RobbieAB | But as Pidgin don't do Skype, I just sucked that one down. | 10:20 |
| RobbieAB | Also, the protocols for purple didn't seem to work, but I never pursued that (yet) | 10:21 |
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| KongMobile | any way to convert the LedPatthernEditor N900 application and make work whit N810 -Diablo? cause its suppose to be the same event and rgb led so if its faisable...let me know i come later see archive channel for wish responce | 10:37 |
| * RobbieAB is finally getting his SDK set-up. | 10:38 | |
| RobbieAB | Than I will probably discover how horrible working with this kernel is. :D | 10:38 |
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| tylerfixer | Howdy! Quick question: does "Nokia Communication Center" in PC Suite allow you to send/receive SMS on your PC? It doesn't seem to work for me... | 10:55 |
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| tylerfixer | It looks like my question was solved with a more specific search on the t.m.o forums. | 10:58 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol :P | 11:03 |
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| rom1dep | hi there ! I played maybe too much with the extras-devel repo, so now I would like to go back with a more standard n900. What good advice do I have to keep in mind to properly switch back to a factory config ? | 11:21 |
| RobbieAB | Hmm... install the kernel source doesn't seem to bring in the kernel config :( | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | rom1dep: | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | ~flashing | 11:22 |
| infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 11:22 |
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| rom1dep | 'am reading, thanks Stskeeps ! | 11:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | wow. Insannne. | 11:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Everything off, SIM out, mmc out just bq running - 4.5mA@4.1V | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | bad or good? | 11:32 |
| SpeedEvil | insanely good | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | nokia is good at power savings traditionally | 11:33 |
| SpeedEvil | 1200/5 hours standby | 11:33 |
| SpeedEvil | 10 days | 11:33 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:35 |
| koala_man | can I trigger a shot in the default photo app through dbus? | 11:35 |
| SpeedEvil | you can 'easily' take pics with gst-streamer | 11:39 |
| SpeedEvil | not default | 11:39 |
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| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: 10 days is not that insanely good | 12:30 |
| luke-jr | my watch seems to last years off a much weaker battery ;) | 12:31 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 12:31 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption#Some_preliminary_numbers_using_bq27200. | 12:31 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: SIGSTOP BME and such? | 12:33 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk, are you around? :D | 12:33 |
| Ken-Young | SpeedEvil, thanks, that's an interesting wiki page. | 12:33 |
| luke-jr | (obviously remove it from AC first) | 12:33 |
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| noobmonk3y | w00t_, or possibly even better, are you around? :D | 12:34 |
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| Ken-Young | SpeedEvil, am I reading that correctly, 3G is 5 *amps* ? | 12:35 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 12:35 |
| Ken-Young | +5 what, then? | 12:35 |
| Chiku | what is bq27200? | 12:36 |
| SpeedEvil | mA | 12:36 |
| SpeedEvil | the charge meter chip | 12:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Ken-Young: reload | 12:36 |
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| koala_man | SpeedEvil: I'm trying to take a photo with gstreamer. how do I get the automatic brightness adjustment? | 12:37 |
| SpeedEvil | dunno | 12:37 |
| noobmonk3y | speed - gstreamer in xterm? | 12:37 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: no. | 12:37 |
| noobmonk3y | i opened the buffers longer to get better lightin | 12:38 |
| noobmonk3y | g | 12:38 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: this is simply 'stock' device so far | 12:38 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: no smartreflex, no killing shit. | 12:38 |
| noobmonk3y | SpeedEvil, gst-launch v4l2camsrc device=/dev/video0 num-buffers=100 ! dspjpegenc ! filesink location=/home/user/MyDocs/fcamtest.jpg - works fine for me, unless you are trying to do something more specific? (also which cam?) | 12:39 |
| SpeedEvil | noobmonk3y: I wasn't | 12:40 |
| noobmonk3y | oh ok:P | 12:40 |
| noobmonk3y | sorry koala_man | 12:40 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 12:40 |
| noobmonk3y | iomg i'm not awake | 12:40 |
| * noobmonk3y apologises! | 12:40 | |
| * SpeedEvil pours ice-cream over noobmonk3y. | 12:40 | |
| * noobmonk3y giggles... and gets back to figuring out the proximity sensor | 12:40 | |
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| ShadowJK | xchat on 3g witth regular activity shows 230mA for me :) | 12:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | I believe that | 12:42 |
| SpeedEvil | I've not done 3G tests yet | 12:42 |
| SpeedEvil | as that would involve getting off the sofa | 12:42 |
| noobmonk3y | lol i'm on 3g joiku at the mo | 12:43 |
| noobmonk3y | need something tested? | 12:43 |
| SpeedEvil | naah | 12:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | the interesting parts from me are the aboce page pretty much | 12:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | 4.5mA idle, 1.5mA more powersaving wifi on, 50mA more on screen on, up to 80mA more on backlight. | 12:44 |
| SpeedEvil | for me | 12:44 |
| SpeedEvil | s/from me/for me/ | 12:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | It shows that further optimisation of the idle power isn't a priority. (for me). | 12:46 |
| SpeedEvil | But that getting it to stay idle is. | 12:46 |
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| ShadowJK | I've been saying all along that it's all about the wakeups ;) | 12:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | I disagree. | 12:48 |
| SpeedEvil | It's about important wakeups. | 12:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Some have little impact on poweruse | 12:49 |
| Terje | Any wakeup has an impact on power use. | 12:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | Nope. | 12:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Not if it's immediately following a previous one, and the hardware hasn't gone back to sleep. | 12:49 |
| SpeedEvil | In that case, it can be almost free. | 12:49 |
| Terje | SpeedEvil, hair splitting. | 12:49 |
| Terje | But true. | 12:50 |
| SpeedEvil | It's absolutely _NOT_ hairsplitting | 12:50 |
| SpeedEvil | A simple wakeups/second will utterly mislead you in some cases. | 12:50 |
| SpeedEvil | As 10 wakeups in a millisecond are much less expensive than 5 wakeups spread over a second | 12:51 |
| Terje | SpeedEvil, I consider a wakeup something you do from sleep. If the device is not in sleep when there's something to do, it's not a wakeup in these terms. But you might have a different definition. | 12:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'm using the definition of 'a hardware or software interrupt that causes the device to wakeup and do something' | 12:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | which is what powertop et al use - AIUI | 12:52 |
| marcus | How do I save a file edited using vi FILENAME? :P | 12:52 |
| SpeedEvil | wakeups are not strictly wakeups | 12:52 |
| * ShadowJK wonders what standby is like with sleep-when-idle off | 12:52 | |
| SpeedEvil | marcus: esc ZZ | 12:52 |
| marcus | Double Z? | 12:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 12:52 |
| Terje | SpeedEvil, ok. I'm not able to wake up if I'm not asleep, but PowerTop might disagree then. :-) | 12:52 |
| marcus | cheers | 12:52 |
| Terje | marcus, :wq does the same thing. | 12:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Terje: yes - it's a sloppy definition used by powertop et al, but I understand measuring the proper thing - actual wakeups - requires lots more kernel | 12:53 |
| Terje | marcus, if you just want to save, not quit, say ":w". | 12:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Terje: the keyboard is clearly designed so ZZ is the correct one. | 12:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | Terje: lots more kernel hackery | 12:53 |
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| Terje | SpeedEvil, time for somebody to do some coding then. | 12:55 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 12:55 |
| marcus | Terje: How do I make the : ? | 12:55 |
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| Terje | marcus, you probably have a Scandinavian keyboard, so FN-L. FN is the button with blue arrow. | 12:56 |
| marcus | Terje: Indeed, question is though, if I have to write the :w like if was I was editing the file? | 12:57 |
| SpeedEvil | What would be ideal would be some way of accounting all this shit. For example - an incoming tcp/ip packet. It gets assigned a cost as it comes out of the wifi/3g adaptor as to how much energy was used to recieve it. This cost then gets assigned to Xchat - as it hits the application layer. With all the wakeups and stuff counted. | 12:57 |
| SpeedEvil | but that is _hard_ | 12:57 |
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| marcus | I dunno how to enter command mode :P | 12:57 |
| SpeedEvil | So you get a true powertop | 12:57 |
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| marcus | Aha! Escape button! | 12:57 |
| SpeedEvil | where xchat is listed as 34mW | 12:57 |
| Terje | marcus, : enters the command mode. | 12:57 |
| nocturnal | does anyone know how to do a < or > on the n900 keyboard in maemo 5? | 12:57 |
| SpeedEvil | nocturnal: it's in symbols | 12:58 |
| marcus | nocturnal: Blue Arrow + button above it I assume | 12:58 |
| SpeedEvil | nocturnal: hold blue arrow, press button above it, release button above it, release blue arrow | 12:58 |
| SpeedEvil | press > | 12:58 |
| SpeedEvil | press it again because it lit up, but does not do anything | 12:59 |
| SpeedEvil | sigh at ineptitude of coding. | 12:59 |
| nocturnal | ooooh wow | 12:59 |
| nocturnal | this is the first time i see the on screen keyboard | 12:59 |
| marcus | oh crap | 12:59 |
| marcus | i just edited the boot video, and now it displays my new one and the old one? o.o | 12:59 |
| marcus | after the first one -> the hands one come | 12:59 |
| SpeedEvil | edited how? | 12:59 |
| marcus | pasted the .avi file into /usr/share/hildon-welcome/media/ | 13:00 |
| marcus | edited (via vi) /etc/hildon-welcome.d/default.conf | 13:00 |
| marcus | I backupped the old on first | 13:00 |
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| marcus | so I have default.conf and backupdefault.conf in same dir | 13:00 |
| Terje | SpeedEvil, that's be an awesome tool. Also does the same about all other hardware state changes. | 13:00 |
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| marcus | AHA! v2- Go to /etc/hildon-welcome.d/ and edit the default.conf file or create a similar one (the videos will play by the alphabetic order of the .conf files) | 13:04 |
| marcus | so I should delete backupdefault.conf? | 13:04 |
| cehteh | hehe if you want to annoy a friend you load all 3 LOTR films on his device and configure them as bootvideo :) | 13:05 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmmmmm i wonder if there is a way with joikuspot to force people to a local web page on initial load? like a web cafe etc? | 13:06 |
| cehteh | Epic Bootsequence [tm] | 13:06 |
| Terje | marcus, move to another folder. | 13:06 |
| marcus | cehteh: that would just be mean :D | 13:06 |
| marcus | Terje: Possible by making a new folder _inside_ hildon-welcome.d? | 13:06 |
| Terje | marcus, try it. Either it'll work or then your device will not boot anymore. | 13:07 |
| marcus | ._. | 13:07 |
| marcus | ._. | 13:07 |
| Terje | Oops, change that. Don't try it. :-) | 13:07 |
| ShadowJK | ah, the overclocking thread... 950MHz | 13:07 |
| marcus | Terje: Guess I just move it to home/usr/MyDocs/backup | 13:07 |
| Terje | marcus, a good idea. | 13:08 |
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| marcus | Terje: Oh crapzor, didnt work ._. | 13:10 |
| noobmonk3y | could someone please help? - figured out how to get keypress events in pyqt, using def keyPressEvent(self, event): , i also know how to read the proximity sensor in dbus, but can i set that as a similar event? ie use the proximity sensor instead of a key? | 13:10 |
| marcus | Hmm, got another idea. | 13:10 |
| noobmonk3y | pyqt* | 13:10 |
| noobmonk3y | (and have tried #qt-maemo - no-one in ;) ) | 13:10 |
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| noobmonk3y | cehteh, i think debbie does dallas on loop 50+ times should be entertaining, especially if that friend happens to be turning his phone on during church etc ;) | 13:12 |
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| pupnik_ | TTE playing mp3 through alsa with a couple webpages open and irssi running and screen off says about 900 minutes :) | 13:15 |
| marcus | Say I'm in /usr/share/bla/ to copy a file called test.html, how would I cp that from the same directory, to /home/usr/MyDocs/? It would be something acoording to the lines: "cp test.html but_what_about_here | 13:15 |
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| rom1dep | humm, seems I can't flash my n900 ... Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy | 13:19 |
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| pupnik_ | marcus: cp test.html /home/user/MyDocs/ | 13:19 |
| marcus | pupnik_: wouldn't that make the cmd think that I wanted it to go to /usr/share/bla/home/user/MyDocs/? | 13:20 |
| pupnik_ | no | 13:20 |
| marcus | goodie | 13:20 |
| pupnik_ | assuming you meant s/wouldn't/would :) | 13:20 |
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| rom1dep | so what can I do now ? | 13:22 |
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| Treibholz | hmm, for some reason the mediaplayer can't find any media anymore... | 13:24 |
| Treibholz | no videos and no music... | 13:24 |
| marcus | rom1dep: Quote from wiki: If you get "Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy" error, as root, run "modprobe -r cdc_phonet" | 13:24 |
| marcus | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 13:25 |
| Treibholz | is this behaviour known? | 13:25 |
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| rom1dep | humm shame on me, I missed it... thanks marcus ! | 13:28 |
| marcus | rom1dep: No problem (: | 13:29 |
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| rom1dep | just another dumb question... has pr 1.2 been officialy landed ? | 13:38 |
| nidO | no | 13:38 |
| rom1dep | I see no such update available when I manually check it up with hildon-appmanager | 13:38 |
| rom1dep | ok... | 13:39 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | hmmm# | 13:39 |
| nidO | no you | 13:40 |
| noobmonk3y_ | am i back? | 13:40 |
| noobmonk3y_ | lol | 13:40 |
| noobmonk3y_ | joiku had a hissyfit | 13:40 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | ~ping | 13:40 |
| infobot | ~pong | 13:40 |
| noobmonk3y_ | ~pong | 13:40 |
| infobot | ~ping | 13:40 |
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| rom1dep | isn't that great oO | 13:41 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | wow that ws slow for me :| | 13:44 |
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| noobmonk3y | hmmm anyone using usb networking? | 14:10 |
| noobmonk3y | connected to the net fine on it | 14:10 |
| noobmonk3y | but would like to use winscp to transfer files :D | 14:10 |
| noobmonk3y | (I know i can use knokia file suite thingy, or explore, but its a bit of a farse compared with winscp) | 14:10 |
| Treibholz | noobmonk3y: you need to install the openssh-server. | 14:11 |
| noobmonk3y | lol got that | 14:11 |
| noobmonk3y | all works fine | 14:11 |
| noobmonk3y | question is more around ip's | 14:11 |
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| noobmonk3y | lappy seems to have an external ip , not an internal one like when i use joiku | 14:11 |
| Treibholz | you need to set it up with ifconfig. | 14:11 |
| RobbieAB | hmm... | 14:12 |
| RobbieAB | Does bluetooth use more or less power than wifi? | 14:12 |
| Treibholz | They(tm) say bt needs less. | 14:13 |
| noobmonk3y | so pretty much http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48992&highlight=ifconfig+usb | 14:13 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmmm | 14:13 |
| RobbieAB | Treibholz: that's what I thought. | 14:13 |
| Treibholz | noobmonk3y: so what exactly doesn't work? | 14:14 |
| RobbieAB | I was wondering if I was being an idiot trying to set up BT PAN Access Point mode on my N900 | 14:14 |
| noobmonk3y | Treibholz, - normally i winscp to my device on joiku connection using the 192 address, i'm assuming the public 10. address i'm connected to now via Nokia suite will not work in the same way | 14:15 |
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| Treibholz | what is joiku? | 14:16 |
| noobmonk3y | wireless hotspot :D | 14:16 |
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| noobmonk3y | works well, but - bit flakey at times, so usb should be more stable | 14:16 |
| RobbieAB | noobmonk3y: It sounds like the USB is acting as a modem, and not as a network router. | 14:17 |
| noobmonk3y | yeah i think so...... | 14:17 |
| noobmonk3y | gonna try and follow http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48992&highlight=ifconfig+usb | 14:17 |
| noobmonk3y | but no idea what dropbear is :P | 14:17 |
| Treibholz | dropbear is an ssh-server | 14:17 |
| RobbieAB | dropbear is an embedded SSH server. | 14:17 |
| RobbieAB | designed to be lightweight. | 14:18 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmmm so not the same as the openssh server i have atm | 14:18 |
| Treibholz | but you don't want dropbear | 14:18 |
| RobbieAB | No, it's not. | 14:18 |
| Treibholz | you want openssh | 14:18 |
| RobbieAB | Depends what you are doing, dropbear has it's tradeoffs | 14:18 |
| * RobbieAB has used dropbear sometimes | 14:19 | |
| Treibholz | RobbieAB: he wants WinSCP, so sftp would be great. | 14:19 |
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| Treibholz | and sftp is not included in dropbear | 14:19 |
| noobmonk3y | lol might just turn joiku back on, just want to transfer files in the same way for an hour or so ;) | 14:19 |
| RobbieAB | Treibholz: Well, there is that. I did say there were tradeoffs. | 14:19 |
| noobmonk3y | internet works fine, but coding in python, so constantly transfering a file across | 14:19 |
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| noobmonk3y | just gets tedioous using explorer etc | 14:20 |
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| RobbieAB | noobmonk3y: If you have it hooked in by USB, can't you copy it across using the filemanager? | 14:20 |
| noobmonk3y | yup can... but as i said, tedious compared the simple winscp drag across | 14:20 |
| noobmonk3y | especially as it is very repetetive | 14:20 |
| Treibholz | noobmonk3y: did you setup the network on the windows-side? (I assume you use windows...) | 14:20 |
| RobbieAB | Um, ok. | 14:20 |
| noobmonk3y | Treibholz, windows 7 - no network, just connected via nokia suite atm | 14:20 |
| * MohammadAG says hi | 14:21 | |
| noobmonk3y | so yes, i could do it another method, was just hoping it was possible to do it the same way :D | 14:21 |
| * noobmonk3y waves at MohammadAG | 14:21 | |
| Treibholz | noobmonk3y: if you want to use a network-connection, you have to setup a network-connection. | 14:21 |
| * RobbieAB wouldn't use WinSCP anyway. | 14:21 | |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, figured out how to do the proximity part - just stuck on one part | 14:21 |
| * MohammadAG waves back and says "I have a suggestion" | 14:21 | |
| MohammadAG | what's the part? | 14:21 |
| noobmonk3y | Treibholz, thankee for your help (and patience!) - but i'll just swap back to joiku :D | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 14:21 |
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| lcuk | morning noobmonk3y happy easter - i have been hibernating :) | 14:44 |
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| SpeedEvil_ | funky. 2g almost flat out is comparable with 5s pings only over 3.5g | 14:46 |
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| ShadowJK | at 6s it should start dropping off ;) | 14:48 |
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| * noobmonk3y blinks | 14:53 | |
| noobmonk3y | ~ping | 14:53 |
| infobot | ~pong | 14:53 |
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| noobmonk3y | yay | 14:53 |
| noobmonk3y | infobot loves me | 14:53 |
| infobot | Yes, I do love you! | 14:53 |
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| SpeedEvil_ | ShadowJK: I'm about to put up some numbers | 14:57 |
| SpeedEvil_ | been multitasking | 14:57 |
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| Annaa | http://tinypic.zapto.org/2kn4m8.png?t=1270381887 do my breasts look to big? | 14:59 |
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| SpeedEvil_ | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4488940691/ and power testing. | 15:00 |
| SpeedEvil_ | railway sleepers are heavy | 15:00 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil_, yeah they are very heavy | 15:03 |
| lcuk | especially with trains sleeping on them | 15:03 |
| SpeedEvil_ | these have not been sleeping under trains for a while | 15:04 |
| lcuk | how long did it take you to cut the left hand one to size? | 15:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | 60s | 15:11 |
| SpeedEvil | powertools++ | 15:11 |
| SpeedEvil | well - actually - more like 4 mins of buggering about | 15:11 |
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| lcuk | heh SpeedEvil | 15:13 |
| lcuk | i would likely cut my leg off or something | 15:13 |
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| lcuk | hi crashanddie \o | 15:13 |
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| Shapeshifter | yay tmo died | 15:15 |
| w00t_ | noobmonk3y: sup | 15:15 |
| crashanddie | yo lcuk | 15:16 |
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| lcuk | hey w00t_ \o | 15:16 |
| w00t_ | moin lcuk :) | 15:16 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: I've decided to give my kids famous names... so I wouldn't forget 'em | 15:16 |
| noobmonk3y | lol w00t_ np think i wracked my brains enough to figure it out :) - was trying to figure out if there is a dbus call state thing, similar to a keypress event ;) | 15:16 |
| lcuk | perhaps you can help guide noobmonk3y to making a new kind of signal/slot (or point him to existing api) | 15:16 |
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| lcuk | w00t_, ^ | 15:16 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk, babysat me again and i'ma gonna hunt it down tonight | 15:16 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: "Please meet my sons, Adolf, Manson and Mugabe" | 15:17 |
| noobmonk3y | Shapeshifter, - yeah sorry, trying to conenct, think i killed it ;) | 15:17 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, *rolleyes* | 15:17 |
| crashanddie | :D | 15:17 |
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| lcuk | i named first son luke | 15:17 |
| crashanddie | But I guess Tracy didn't go for Sky and Walker? | 15:18 |
| lcuk | if we had a girl next we were gonna call her leia | 15:18 |
| frals | lol | 15:18 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: it's a good thing you didn't. Nobody knows how to spell Leya | 15:19 |
| crashanddie | Leia | 15:19 |
| crashanddie | Lea? | 15:19 |
| noobmonk3y | layer | 15:19 |
| * lcuk spelt it correctly :) | 15:19 | |
| crashanddie | ok | 15:19 |
| noobmonk3y | layer, middle name cake? | 15:19 |
| rom1dep | hann, fmms is always in extras-devel >.< | 15:19 |
| lcuk | oi! thats my potential daughter we are talking about | 15:19 |
| crashanddie | You have no idea how annoying it is to have "How do you spell that?" as an answer to your name | 15:21 |
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| noobmonk3y | layer-cake-maemo-n900 Birkett? | 15:21 |
| * SpeedEvil has a less-common variant. | 15:21 | |
| lcuk | crashanddie, i have trouble spelling my own middle name! | 15:22 |
| * lcuk has often gotten it wrong and had to cross it out on app forms :$ | 15:22 | |
| * noobmonk3y has to go play football - back in a bit ;) | 15:22 | |
| lcuk | i use it so infrequently | 15:22 |
| lcuk | cya later noobmonk3y | 15:22 |
| noobmonk3y | ciaooo | 15:22 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: most forms don't have enough space to accomodate all of my names :) | 15:22 |
| noobmonk3y | thanks lcuk / w00t_ / MohammadAG | 15:22 |
| w00t_ | np :) | 15:23 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption#Some_preliminary_numbers_using_bq27200. | 15:23 |
| SpeedEvil | numbers for 2/3g are in a good signal area | 15:23 |
| w00t_ | that makes me really wish three offered 2G again :P | 15:24 |
| haltdef | they just use orange for 2g in the uk | 15:25 |
| haltdef | mostly gprs :/ | 15:25 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | good morning! | 15:25 |
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| Shapeshifter | mh. does someone know how I can make x2x share a clipboard? I'm running ssh -C foo@ip 'x2x -west -from :0' on my n900 and I can share the mouse and keyboard but I can't copy something on my desktop and paste in the CLI on the n900. | 15:29 |
| Shapeshifter | s/-C/-X/ | 15:29 |
| infobot | Shapeshifter meant: mh. does someone know how I can make x2x share a clipboard? I'm running ssh -X foo@ip 'x2x -west -from :0' on my n900 and I can share the mouse and keyboard but I can't copy something on my desktop and paste in the CLI on the n900. | 15:29 |
| dan2003 | I'm suddenly getting input/output error in ESBox when trying to lauch app on device, have tried rebooting it ans hasnt helped, any ideas? | 15:29 |
| Shapeshifter | infobot is such a spammer. | 15:29 |
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| auenf | Shapeshifter, but i so want that feature on my bot ;) | 15:38 |
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| lcukn900 | @bowling and have strike already. bet this winning streak doesnt continud | 15:59 |
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| * MohammadAG built the latest version of PSX4ALL against a PR1.1.1 SDK, if anyone wants it... | 16:01 | |
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| cehteh | SpeedEvil: is it possible to configure screen brightness to off or how the 5 brightness settings map to real brightness levels in the hardware? | 16:10 |
| cehteh | .. possible in relation with the brightness sensor | 16:11 |
| * cehteh doh's about closed source cruft | 16:11 | |
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| chadi | Hi. On my N900, i have a certain app in the "More" section. How can i launch it from the terminal? | 16:16 |
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| chadi | tried: qtirreco, it says: qtirreco: not found | 16:16 |
| chadi | also tried /etc/init.d/qtirreco start, also fails | 16:17 |
| cehteh | maybe its named differently qtirreco-bin or so .. try to find its '.desktop' file and investigate that | 16:18 |
| chadi | thank you | 16:19 |
| dan2003 | chadi: try qtir<tab> | 16:19 |
| dan2003 | ir shoudl comlete the rest for you | 16:19 |
| chadi | dan2003: does not show its rest... | 16:19 |
| chadi | dan2003: also tried twice, in case there are several ones starting with qtir, none. | 16:20 |
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| chadi | cehteh: can you remind me where those .desktop files are located? i remember it was somewhere in /usr/hildon | 16:20 |
| dan2003 | that woudl sugest it doesnt start qtir, maybe Qt ir just irec/Ire, also, if its not in the system PATH it wont work wihotut a full path to it, | 16:20 |
| cehteh | btw the ir daemon is a power hog, only turn it on when needed | 16:21 |
| cehteh | no i dont know where the desktop files are | 16:22 |
| dan2003 | find /usr/share/ -name *.desktop | 16:23 |
| MohammadAG | /usr/share/applications/hildon/ | 16:24 |
| dan2003 | find /usr/share/ -name *.desktop | grep ire | 16:24 |
| SpeedEvil | ceh | 16:25 |
| cehteh | yes? | 16:25 |
| chadi | yep | 16:26 |
| chadi | found it | 16:26 |
| chadi | exec=/opt/maemo/usr/bin/qtirreco .. doesn't this sound a bit weird? | 16:26 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/backlight | 16:27 |
| SpeedEvil | trivial script | 16:27 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: yes i know that, but i am more interested on a configuration/controlled way | 16:27 |
| chadi | cehteh yeah, indeed, I won't use the IR all the time. I just want to test that app. It doesn't seem to work though | 16:28 |
| cehteh | like having the lowest backlight setting actually turning it off | 16:28 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: ah | 16:28 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: that would be good | 16:28 |
| chadi | and the app doesn't even have debug mode :/ | 16:28 |
| cehteh | and if the ambient brightness is over a certain treshold then turn it off again too, in bright sunlight even the brightest setting cant compete with it. its just a waste of pwoer | 16:29 |
| cehteh | also the brightness sensor is bit overreacting here | 16:29 |
| cehteh | thats really for what i want such as open source | 16:29 |
| SpeedEvil | speaking practically | 16:29 |
| SpeedEvil | The differcne is not completely overwhelming | 16:30 |
| cehteh | difference between? | 16:30 |
| SpeedEvil | it's maybe half power use at 100% brightness and screen active but nothing else | 16:30 |
| SpeedEvil | at lowest brightness setting - it's probably in the noise, for most usecases | 16:31 |
| cehteh | yeah but still .. if you mount it on a bike or car dashboard at daytime it makes a difference | 16:31 |
| SpeedEvil | not really. | 16:31 |
| SpeedEvil | the backlight makes a big difference at some sun angles | 16:31 |
| SpeedEvil | even though the brightness sensor is still pinned | 16:31 |
| cehteh | lowest brightness setting with very bright ambient light turns the brightness quite much up | 16:31 |
| cehteh | yep | 16:32 |
| SpeedEvil | ~24h of book-reading or other low-cpu-use stuff is possible though | 16:33 |
| infobot | SpeedEvil: that's too long | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | with backlight off | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | huh? | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 16:33 |
| * SpeedEvil stabs infobot. | 16:33 | |
| cehteh | well 3hrs 3g and gps with a mapping app is possible too :P not enough for a bike ride | 16:34 |
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| RST38h | that's kinda low | 16:38 |
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| RST38h | http://apikabu.ru/img/MDYyNW.png | 16:41 |
| * RST38h cackles | 16:41 | |
| nidO | ipad teardown? | 16:41 |
| Ken-Young | iPhone | 16:41 |
| nidO | look again | 16:41 |
| Ken-Young | I don't get it. | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG | it's just a bigger iPhone | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG | (the iPad) | 16:42 |
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| Ken-Young | Oh, OK. | 16:42 |
| cehteh | one ipad battery is as big as the iphone | 16:42 |
| nidO | it might be a more intricate version of this april fools product | 16:43 |
| Veggen | except it's not a phone. | 16:43 |
| nidO | http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/pad-dock/index.html | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | oh it's an iPod Touch | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | t-tan, ping | 16:44 |
| Ken-Young | They should just have an iPod touch and a fresnel lens. | 16:44 |
| t-tan | pong | 16:44 |
| MohammadAG | t-tan, how do I reflash a kernel on device, using flasher? | 16:45 |
| t-tan | what kind of kernel? self-compiled zImage? | 16:45 |
| cehteh | using flash twice .. one to try your kernel, the second time to unbrick it :) | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 16:45 |
| SpeedEvil | ~closed | 16:45 |
| infobot | it has been said that closed is http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages | 16:45 |
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| MohammadAG | cehteh, the kernel can be reflashed OTA, I just don't know how :) | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | kernel-flasher-maemo does it, as well as kernel-flasher | 16:46 |
| t-tan | fiasco-gen -o zImage.fiasco -g -k zImage -v $(RELEASE) | 16:47 |
| t-tan | with sdk-fiasco-gen installed | 16:47 |
| t-tan | then /sbin/fiasco-image-update zImage.fiasco | 16:48 |
| chadi | can I ask questions about N900 here? | 16:49 |
| Ken-Young | chadi, Yes. | 16:49 |
| MohammadAG | t-tan, that's for flashing a kernel? | 16:49 |
| MohammadAG | sdk-fiasco-gen - Utility for generating FIASCO images | 16:49 |
| chadi | I would like to change the boot screen, but I need a media that can be played by the device. What file format and encoding whould I use? | 16:50 |
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| MohammadAG | XviD | 16:50 |
| chadi | tried avi with H.264, it said media not supported | 16:50 |
| t-tan | yes, for on device. via USB use the flasher-3.5 | 16:50 |
| t-tan | MohammadAG: which kernel bricked your N900? | 16:50 |
| MohammadAG | I know about the USB method, just wanted to know how to flash OTA | 16:50 |
| MohammadAG | t-tan, none :) | 16:50 |
| chadi | by the way, MohammadAG, aren'tyou the guy who posted the 1.2 screenshots? :) | 16:51 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 16:51 |
| t-tan | the kernel image in my package is proprocessed per fiasco-gen | 16:51 |
| MohammadAG | t-tan, oh so your package contains a .fiasco image? | 16:51 |
| t-tan | yep | 16:51 |
| MohammadAG | ahynes1, thought it was a normal zImage | 16:52 |
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| MohammadAG | I thought of using flasher, but that didn't work, even with --local | 16:52 |
| MohammadAG | thanks t-tan :) | 16:53 |
| MohammadAG | any updates on adding the JoikuSpot Bouncer module? | 16:53 |
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| chadi | MohammadAG: you said xvid, what about it? isn't it h.264? | 16:53 |
| t-tan | MohammadAG: in theory it should work with my new rules but in practice... | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG | it doesn't, lol | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG | chadi, I thought it was h.263 | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG | not sure though | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG | if it's XviD and the device plays it in the mediaplayer it should work | 16:55 |
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| MohammadAG | t-tan, just seen your post, I'll try it in a bit. Is the DSP overclocked by default? | 16:56 |
| t-tan | MohammadAG: please wait. I found some problem | 16:56 |
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| chadi | MohammadAG: it works, ty :) | 16:59 |
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| MohammadAG | np :) | 17:03 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.pylonofthemonth.org/ | 17:03 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | t-tan, thanks, generated fiasco images from the oc'd kernels, so if I get problems I'll just reflash on the go | 17:04 |
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| joker_89 | hi | 17:15 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: what a crazy interesting page | 17:15 |
| Shapeshifter | >.> | 17:15 |
| joker_89 | anyone knows how i can get the last insert id in a e32db database? | 17:15 |
| ghostcube_maemo | hi | 17:16 |
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| tmdy | hi | 17:26 |
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| tmdy | I installed the meego N900. How to Restore maemo5 available? | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | ~flashing | 17:27 |
| infobot | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | go to that URL for instructions :) | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG | how'd you install it if you don't know how to reflash... | 17:28 |
| tmdy | I tried flashing failed. | 17:29 |
| haltdef | meego not ready to replace maemo yet I guess? :p | 17:29 |
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| MohammadAG | haltdef, it's only a bash shell | 17:29 |
| haltdef | ah | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | (for now) | 17:29 |
| tmdy | ;; | 17:30 |
| MohammadAG | tmdy, what do you mean by flashing failed | 17:30 |
| tmdy | errors | 17:30 |
| tmdy | Using flashing protocol Mk II. | 17:30 |
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| tmdy | SU_VERIFY_COMMS_REQ timed out. | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | turn off device completely, pull out battery, put USB cable in computer and device, start flasher, wait until it says it's waiting, then plug in device | 17:32 |
| tmdy | These messages are output to the flashing ends. | 17:32 |
| MohammadAG | tmdy, try another PC | 17:32 |
| tmdy | When you connect the usb plug bash script does not recognize the screen. | 17:33 |
| tmdy | sure | 17:33 |
| MohammadAG | tmdy, what bash script? | 17:33 |
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| tmdy | sorry xterm | 17:33 |
| MohammadAG | flasher is a binary, MeeGo doesn't have to do with reflashing | 17:33 |
| tmdy | This event (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48914) is identical. | 17:35 |
| tmdy | Try a different PC. | 17:36 |
| MohammadAG | tmdy, what's the image named? | 17:36 |
| tmdy | meego ? maemo? | 17:36 |
| MohammadAG | Maemo | 17:37 |
| tmdy | RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 17:37 |
| tmdy | flasher-3.5 | 17:37 |
| tmdy | maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2 | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | did you follow my instructions? :P | 17:38 |
| MohammadAG | Turn off your device | 17:38 |
| MohammadAG | completely | 17:38 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, I'm repeating them :) | 17:38 |
| chadi | MohammadAG: works fine as a boot screen! :D | 17:39 |
| MohammadAG | Remember that it doesn't turn off using the power button in MeeGo | 17:39 |
| MohammadAG | try halt or shutdown -h | 17:39 |
| MohammadAG | chadi, cool :D | 17:39 |
| MohammadAG | chadi, uploading it? | 17:39 |
| chadi | indeed, i have it somewhere on youtube | 17:39 |
| chadi | MohammadAG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk48UV7zG0M | 17:40 |
| chadi | its' the last part of the final fantasy boot screen posted by one of the forummembers | 17:40 |
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| matthew_ | Hellou | 17:41 |
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| matthew_ | Any chance of getting all of my email accounts in 'one' inbox? | 17:41 |
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| MohammadAG | chadi, it's already available on the net :) | 17:42 |
| MohammadAG | chadi, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujF3bKDs52A | 17:42 |
| chadi | really? I did this on my own, using adobe premiere | 17:42 |
| tmdy | trun off , completely | 17:43 |
| MohammadAG | tmdy, how are you sure it's off? | 17:43 |
| MohammadAG | chadi, I believe you, the FF video didn't say it was copied | 17:43 |
| chadi | MohammadAG though in mine, I added a small delay on the Nokia N900, if you notice | 17:44 |
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| tmdy | halt command to cut the power. | 17:44 |
| MohammadAG | slide the keyboard open and hold U | 17:45 |
| tmdy | yes | 17:46 |
| MohammadAG | keep holding U and plug the cable in, keep holding U while doing this | 17:46 |
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| MohammadAG | till you see the USB icon | 17:46 |
| tmdy | try it | 17:46 |
| tmdy | Backlight gone "NOKIA" appears after the character xterm started. | 17:48 |
| tmdy | Perhaps you broken? | 17:48 |
| MohammadAG | what xterm!? | 17:48 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not broken, although I'm assuming your english isn't good and that wasn't an insult ... | 17:48 |
| ghostcube_maemo | heh | 17:49 |
| tmdy | Backlight has gone like this http://www.students.tut.fi/ ~ haapasa4/n900_meego.jpg | 17:49 |
| tmdy | sorry i'm japanese | 17:50 |
| chadi | it happened once that my N900 rebooted after opening x-term | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | I said hold u, it should go into MeeGo | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | chadi, different subjects, VERY different :) | 17:50 |
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| chadi | MohammadAG oops sorry, wasn't following. thanks for the youtube link, though | 17:51 |
| MohammadAG | no worries and np :P | 17:51 |
| tmdy | Let's go to the room Meego | 17:51 |
| MohammadAG | no | 17:51 |
| MohammadAG | keep that for development | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG | it's enough that this one turned into what it wasn't before the N900 came | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG | anyways | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG | tmdy, pull out the battery, hold U, plug the cable and put the battery | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG | keep holding U while doing so | 17:52 |
| tmdy | sure | 17:53 |
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| tmdy | After all, xterm will start ... | 17:55 |
| MohammadAG | does anyone mind helping me explain? | 17:56 |
| MohammadAG | (cc Stskeeps) | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | you're on right track :P | 17:56 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 17:56 |
| matthew_ | No? | 17:57 |
| tmdy | Try a Windows | 17:58 |
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| ghostcube_maemo | where do you hold down u ? on the N900 only to be sure | 17:59 |
| ghostcube_maemo | damn | 17:59 |
| matthew_ | And anyone using the RaeMote? | 18:03 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, i take out battery, plug in usb, start the flasher doofer - when it says waiting, just plug in battery and watch the magic happen. never pressed a key on the n900 screen ever | 18:19 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, that's cause you had the battery out | 18:19 |
| MohammadAG | I usually reboot and hold u while it's rebooting | 18:20 |
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| lcuk | yeah thats the only 100% reproducable method ive used | 18:20 |
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| * noobmonk3y is a broken man......... | 18:21 | |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y, lost at football? | 18:22 |
| * lcuk won bowling | 18:22 | |
| noobmonk3y | no won.... which means finals on wednesday :| | 18:22 |
| lcuk | hahaha | 18:22 |
| noobmonk3y | i have no knees left :| | 18:22 |
| noobmonk3y | was in goal and let zero in...... i must have done something wrong :| | 18:22 |
| noobmonk3y | did help that my team are a bunch of 18 year olds ;) | 18:23 |
| lcuk | i was playin footie last time we went away and i went to kick the ball and slipped on the all weather | 18:23 |
| lcuk | totally winded myself as i fell flat on my back | 18:23 |
| lcuk | you are just an old fart | 18:23 |
| noobmonk3y | hahaha | 18:24 |
| noobmonk3y | and yes, yes i am | 18:24 |
| noobmonk3y | well done on the bowling tho :D | 18:24 |
| lcuk | tracy is again disputing my win | 18:24 |
| lcuk | because it came right down to the last ball | 18:24 |
| lcuk | and i managed to get a spare | 18:24 |
| lcuk | shes still not forgiven me | 18:24 |
| noobmonk3y | lol!!!! | 18:25 |
| noobmonk3y | cheat ftw ;) | 18:25 |
| lcuk | not cheat! you sound like her lol | 18:26 |
| noobmonk3y | hahaha | 18:26 |
| lcuk | i wouldv lost by 2 points if it hadnt given me that extra ball :D | 18:26 |
| noobmonk3y | told you, cheat - extra balls... blah blah | 18:26 |
| lcuk | she mustv been gearing up her winning song | 18:26 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 18:26 |
| noobmonk3y | :P | 18:26 |
| lcuk | dear god, you best not gloat @teebee76 if she thinks people support her that will make her 10x worse to live with lol | 18:27 |
| noobmonk3y | awwwwwwwwww | 18:27 |
| lcuk | http://twitter.com/teebee76 look at what happened when we reached stalemate in chess | 18:28 |
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| noobmonk3y | hahahaha!!!! | 18:29 |
| noobmonk3y | awwww to the 1 follower :( | 18:30 |
| noobmonk3y | muhahahahaha 2 | 18:30 |
| lcuk | she only joined up to talk with me, it would be the same if i went on facebook | 18:30 |
| lcuk | lol | 18:30 |
| lcuk | she has about a zillion people there but none of her mates use twitter | 18:30 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhh | 18:31 |
| noobmonk3y | havnt been on either much recently | 18:31 |
| noobmonk3y | right..... | 18:31 |
| noobmonk3y | i need to figure out menus.... | 18:31 |
| noobmonk3y | why oh why is the pyqt menu's so rubbish....... | 18:31 |
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| lcuk | yo javispedro | 18:34 |
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| javispedro | hello lcuk | 18:34 |
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| javispedro | lcuk, hey, may I ask you a favor? can you test if you're able to edit your own apps (get to the page where you can add screenshots, ...) in maemo.org/downloads? | 18:36 |
| javispedro | lcuk, to save you having to search for it: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/liqflow/ | 18:36 |
| lcuk | which bits of apps need editing? | 18:36 |
| lcuk | i know the description used to be editable | 18:36 |
| javispedro | can you get to the edit page at least? | 18:37 |
| lcuk | but is now picked up direct from the package | 18:37 |
| lcuk | so any edits on website are reverted | 18:37 |
| javispedro | I need to edit the screenshots on my apps, | 18:37 |
| javispedro | but it keeps telling me I don't have enough permission and that I need to login (which of course I am already) | 18:37 |
| javispedro | and before pinging you-know-who ;) I'd like to check if it's something global or "it's-just-me" | 18:38 |
| lcuk | javispedro, greyed out | 18:39 |
| javispedro | interesting | 18:39 |
| * noobmonk3y is just testing too | 18:40 | |
| noobmonk3y | greayed out too | 18:40 |
| noobmonk3y | greyed* | 18:40 |
| javispedro | so, no way to add new screenshots... :P | 18:40 |
| javispedro | noobmonk3y, lcuk: ta! | 18:40 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, | 18:41 |
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| noobmonk3y | np :D | 18:42 |
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| javispedro | X-Fade: there? | 18:42 |
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| MohammadAG | never knew anyone had a Twitter account | 18:43 |
| MohammadAG | except noobmonk3y | 18:43 |
| noobmonk3y | hehehe | 18:43 |
| * noobmonk3y stalks MohammadAG on twitter | 18:43 | |
| * lcuk follows MohammadAG on twitter | 18:43 | |
| noobmonk3y | stalks/follows.... meh same | 18:43 |
| * MohammadAG says thanks | 18:43 | |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, I use stalks sometimes :P | 18:44 |
| noobmonk3y | :D :D | 18:44 |
| noobmonk3y | right... | 18:44 |
| noobmonk3y | who to pester about pyqt today, i wonder if w00t_ is around :D | 18:44 |
| lcuk | just ask in general | 18:44 |
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| noobmonk3y | good point..... Well trying to figure out how to resolve my menu issues again at the moment i add a menu and cant add separators or anything else.... doesnt seem to easy to manage | 18:45 |
| noobmonk3y | so i would really like menu a) - 3 buttons, separator, menu b........ | 18:46 |
| javispedro | menus in hildon are really limited | 18:46 |
| noobmonk3y | tried qpopups, but they dont seem to exist or i havnt got it working yet | 18:46 |
| noobmonk3y | javispedro, the gtk ones look nice :D | 18:46 |
| noobmonk3y | just not the qt ones | 18:46 |
| javispedro | yes but they can only hold buttons | 18:46 |
| javispedro | not even separators iirc | 18:46 |
| noobmonk3y | thats all i need :D - well, would like more, but all i need atm | 18:46 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhh that answers my separator issue | 18:46 |
| noobmonk3y | and they all have the same word in them....... | 18:47 |
| noobmonk3y | ie i used - fremantle = MainWindow.menuBar().addMenu("Update"); | 18:47 |
| noobmonk3y | so then all buttons have the word update in them | 18:47 |
| w00t_ | noobmonk3y: you can't really add anything except buttons, unfortunately | 18:47 |
| w00t_ | oh | 18:47 |
| w00t_ | javispedro beat me to it :) | 18:47 |
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| noobmonk3y | :D - can i add them without all having the same word in them? | 18:47 |
| noobmonk3y | so i use the above line to create the menu, but then when i add a button like - act = fremantle.addAction("All") | 18:48 |
| w00t_ | do they appear as Foo/Bar? | 18:48 |
| noobmonk3y | it becomes Update All | 18:48 |
| noobmonk3y | yeah | 18:48 |
| noobmonk3y | Update / Bar | 18:48 |
| w00t_ | right | 18:48 |
| noobmonk3y | foobar, good description ;) | 18:48 |
| w00t_ | you're using Qt 4.5, that will be magically fixed for you with Qt 4.6 | 18:48 |
| noobmonk3y | ahaaaaaa | 18:48 |
| noobmonk3y | so nothing i can do now, just hold and do the best i can with this :D | 18:48 |
| w00t_ | yeah :) | 18:48 |
| noobmonk3y | coolio! - thankee very much :D | 18:49 |
| noobmonk3y | happy with that, as it means that i didnt do it wrong in the first place lol | 18:49 |
| MohammadAG | umm, does everyone have a fiasco-flasher? cause I don't | 18:49 |
| noobmonk3y | assuming there is no way to position the buttons then? | 18:50 |
| noobmonk3y | they just go into the arc two by two? | 18:50 |
| w00t_ | yep | 18:50 |
| javispedro | heh. bug #9825 | 18:50 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9825 Cannot upload screenshot ("Edit" is grayed) | 18:50 |
| javispedro | ;) | 18:50 |
| * noobmonk3y votes on bug | 18:50 | |
| noobmonk3y | hmmmmmmmm | 18:51 |
| * MohammadAG can confirm it, if only he had an app in extras... | 18:51 | |
| noobmonk3y | might as well concentrate on something more useful then....... | 18:51 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, - i confirmed | 18:51 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, Lcuk confirmed | 18:51 |
| MohammadAG | confirm as in change the bug status to NEW | 18:51 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 18:52 |
| javispedro | it does that automatically after a few votes | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | it's UNCONFIRMED atm | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | yeah I know | 18:52 |
| * noobmonk3y waits for it to login | 18:52 | |
| noobmonk3y | do i use Confirm bug (change status to NEW) ? | 18:52 |
| noobmonk3y | not sure - as never done bug stuff - way to complicated | 18:53 |
| javispedro | noobmonk3y: you don't have enough permissions, operation will fail. | 18:53 |
| javispedro | just vote :) | 18:53 |
| noobmonk3y | voted | 18:53 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, you're not logged in :p | 18:53 |
| * noobmonk3y is never important enough :( | 18:53 | |
| MohammadAG | all of them appear when not logged in | 18:53 |
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| w00t_ | ugh | 18:54 |
| noobmonk3y | ugh ugh? | 18:54 |
| w00t_ | someone want to remind me how to switch to ARMEL target in sb? | 18:54 |
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| lcuk | i really enjoyed my lie in this morning | 18:54 |
| lcuk | sb-menu | 18:54 |
| javispedro | sb-conf se FREMANTLE_ARMEL | 18:55 |
| w00t_ | thankyou! | 18:55 |
| javispedro | you enjoyed your lie? :) | 18:55 |
| lcuk | yes i told myselkf i got up at 7am lol | 18:55 |
| javispedro | heh | 18:56 |
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| w00t_ | okay, next (less obvious) problem: /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set | 19:08 |
| w00t_ | anyone got a hint what I'm missing here? :p | 19:08 |
| javispedro | is your armel target configured right? | 19:10 |
| javispedro | http://maemo.pastebin.com/zpS3370b | 19:11 |
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| MohammadAG | http://i42.tinypic.com/o9ejjb.jpg | 19:13 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, what are you playing? | 19:13 |
| MohammadAG | Bounce | 19:14 |
| lcuk | cool | 19:14 |
| lcuk | i want to make a snake/tron game | 19:14 |
| MohammadAG | Never played it? | 19:14 |
| lcuk | top down accelerometer controlled nice fast bright gameplay | 19:14 |
| lcuk | yeah a few times a while ago | 19:14 |
| * MohammadAG wonders if I want to make means it's in Alpha at the moment :P | 19:15 | |
| lcuk | its in brain alpha | 19:15 |
| lcuk | it has been since the discussions about sheep | 19:15 |
| lcuk | i just have so much proper work to do | 19:15 |
| sheepbat | baa? | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | moo | 19:15 |
| lcuk | sheepdog | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | what's that? | 19:16 |
| lcuk | i wanted the dog central to the screen and tilt around to run around a field larger than screen | 19:16 |
| MohammadAG | I think there's a snake-like game | 19:16 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36698 | 19:16 |
| MohammadAG | played it a few days ago | 19:16 |
| lcuk | yeah | 19:16 |
| lcuk | and snake ive wnated since day -1 since its a nokia device | 19:16 |
| * chadi wants PR 1.2 | 19:16 | |
| MohammadAG | but it's not the same as the old/new snake | 19:16 |
| lcuk | chadi, :) | 19:16 |
| lcuk | like i said, ive had so much proper work to do (as well as everyone else) | 19:17 |
| MohammadAG | I want the N95 snakes game | 19:17 |
| MohammadAG | (which was for the N-Gage) | 19:17 |
| * chadi loves the old black and white nokia snake. | 19:17 | |
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| MohammadAG | I doubt that's not available as an swf or something | 19:17 |
| lcuk | probably | 19:18 |
| lcuk | but i dont like swf unless its app installable | 19:18 |
| lcuk | someone almost managed it on 810 | 19:18 |
| lcuk | using the tutorial framework thingy | 19:18 |
| lcuk | maybe the same could occur on 900 :) | 19:18 |
| * noobmonk3y is going to please everyone.... a new healthcheck is on it's wav to extras-devel ;) | 19:19 | |
| noobmonk3y | hehe | 19:19 |
| noobmonk3y | can never have too many healthcheck versions | 19:19 |
| chadi | I so want to start developing for N900... but I have no time due to exams :-( | 19:19 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y, you release a new version faster than i blink ! well done on release early, release often ethos :) | 19:19 |
| noobmonk3y | hehe | 19:19 |
| * noobmonk3y bows | 19:19 | |
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| noobmonk3y | chadi, took me 3 weeks from knowing nothing to an app in extras :D | 19:19 |
| chadi | noobmonk3y: it's fun when I see a new version of an app every day :D | 19:19 |
| Treibholz | us there an API to the calendar, or should I just write in the SQLiteDB? | 19:19 |
| noobmonk3y | ok, it does look a bit like a dogs dinner, but is fun :D | 19:20 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, err.. nothing?! | 19:20 |
| lcuk | Treibholz, there is a calendar api | 19:20 |
| noobmonk3y | errr nothing where MohammadAG ? | 19:20 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y, its a start :) | 19:20 |
| noobmonk3y | only uploaded it 2 mins ago! | 19:20 |
| chadi | noobmonk3y: you probably knew some basic programming, didn't you? | 19:20 |
| MohammadAG | <noobmonk3y> chadi, took me 3 weeks from knowing nothing to an app in extras :D | 19:20 |
| noobmonk3y | erm, visual basic, never done python before | 19:20 |
| MohammadAG | not even python scripts? | 19:20 |
| * lcuk is a vb developer too | 19:20 | |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, - never done linux or python b4 :D | 19:21 |
| MohammadAG | wow, is Python that is? | 19:21 |
| MohammadAG | easy* | 19:21 |
| noobmonk3y | n900 is my first foray into linux | 19:21 |
| * chadi is more c/c++/java/c# oriented | 19:21 | |
| MohammadAG | weird typo... | 19:21 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, yup....... | 19:21 |
| frals | welcome to the club noobmonk3y ;) | 19:21 |
| * noobmonk3y smiles | 19:21 | |
| lcuk | chadi, then look at qt proper :) | 19:21 |
| noobmonk3y | thankee frals | 19:21 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, what did you start with? | 19:21 |
| noobmonk3y | yeah qt designer would suite chadi | 19:21 |
| lcuk | its support is getting stronger | 19:21 |
| frals | (i however cheated, ive done a python assignment in a course at uni) | 19:21 |
| * MohammadAG wonders if he started with n00b questions :P | 19:21 | |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, start with n900-wise? | 19:21 |
| MohammadAG | python-wise :) | 19:21 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, noobs asking questions are good | 19:22 |
| noobmonk3y | i started with hello world | 19:22 |
| noobmonk3y | in a py file with no gui | 19:22 |
| noobmonk3y | just printing it | 19:22 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, not always :) | 19:22 |
| chadi | will start programming for N900 early june! after the finals :D | 19:22 |
| MohammadAG | I can already do that | 19:22 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, if the right questions are asked | 19:22 |
| MohammadAG | but that's about it :p | 19:22 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, - python is just about how... and remembering tabspaces, all in all it's just syntax | 19:22 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, well everyone starts as a n00b, but I'm referring to the other type of noobs | 19:22 |
| noobmonk3y | so google 1 step at a time, play, then google again | 19:23 |
| lcuk | boobs? | 19:23 |
| noobmonk3y | boobienoobies? | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG | the ones who ask, how do I open the main menu | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG | <noobmonk3y> so google 1 step at a time, play, then google again | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG | well that worked for me when I started with linux | 19:23 |
| frals | that works for just about anything ^^ | 19:23 |
| noobmonk3y | lol i still get frustrated that nothing is as simple as visual basic, draw, code, go... so no i just code in pygtkeditor or python idle | 19:24 |
| * MohammadAG crackles his fingers | 19:24 | |
| noobmonk3y | now* | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, you don't use Qt Designer? | 19:24 |
| noobmonk3y | which is why i upload so often | 19:24 |
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| noobmonk3y | i test , try test, try, upload, test properly.... works... new version, test, try , test , try etc | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | or is that only for C++/C + Qt | 19:24 |
| lcuk | i am tempted to bring my new computer upstairs - but that will mean i install vb on it | 19:24 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, - i fecked it up as i didnt understand the relationship between the gui file and a py file | 19:24 |
| noobmonk3y | so it started of in gui, but now just code it by hand | 19:25 |
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| lcuk | noob.frm | 19:25 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 19:25 |
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| noobmonk3y | hello noob.frm | 19:25 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 19:25 |
| lcuk | well that was what vb gave | 19:25 |
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| lcuk | one file | 19:25 |
| lcuk | the whole app contained within | 19:25 |
| noobmonk3y | :D :D | 19:25 |
| lcuk | ui handlers methods | 19:26 |
| javispedro | "I started coding with VB club" reunion here? | 19:26 |
| * javispedro is also a member of it | 19:26 | |
| lcuk | with qt proper thats spread over many files and many menus to get at info | 19:26 |
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| * Treibholz started with QBasic... | 19:26 | |
| noobmonk3y | 0.7.1-0 Butlins Version! - in extras devel now :D | 19:26 |
| chadi | Should I worry about the lifetime of the flash drive of the N900? I'm not used to SSD, I prefer HDDs... | 19:26 |
| maurizios | ciao a tutti | 19:26 |
| lcuk | i was vb dev for 10 years and thing vb6 is the defacto prime microsoft application ever | 19:26 |
| Treibholz | and I'm glad, I forgot erverything. | 19:26 |
| maurizios | !list | 19:26 |
| Treibholz | lol | 19:27 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol | 19:27 |
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| * noobmonk3y wishes vb would start becoming the cool thing again | 19:27 | |
| javispedro | chadi: well, as a user, most probably no. as a dev, just don't do "stupid" things and you'll be fine. | 19:27 |
| MohammadAG | that was... awkward | 19:27 |
| noobmonk3y | was what got me into computing | 19:27 |
| chadi | javispedro: define "stupid" things please? | 19:27 |
| * noobmonk3y is a stupid thing | 19:27 | |
| javispedro | chadi: stupid things: writing a file every second, fsyncing continuously, etc. | 19:28 |
| noobmonk3y | omfg.... i need a glass of wine, brb | 19:28 |
| * C-S-B has returned from devon. | 19:28 | |
| * MohammadAG gives noobmonk3y a bottle of wine | 19:28 | |
| chadi | javispedro who knows what these extra-devel apps do... | 19:28 |
| * auenf still codes in vb | 19:28 | |
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| * lcuk installs visual basic in noobmonk3y's wine | 19:28 | |
| * MohammadAG takes it back and gives him 5 gallons | 19:28 | |
| * javispedro boots vb6 for no reason | 19:28 | |
| lcuk | auenf, :) i still write liqbase apps in vb6 | 19:28 |
| ShadowJK | chadi: I wouldn't worry | 19:28 |
| haltdef | devon? what part? :p | 19:28 |
| lcuk | i have an addin, which generates the whole application from all the forms and controls | 19:29 |
| javispedro | chadi: if you're a user, I wouldn't worry, as I said. | 19:29 |
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| chadi | javispedro: i'm a developer :P | 19:29 |
| noobmonk3y | awww yay | 19:29 |
| MohammadAG | chadi, I enabled -devel and -testing where I tunred on my device for the first time | 19:29 |
| noobmonk3y | more wine the merrier | 19:29 |
| MohammadAG | s/tunred/turned/ | 19:29 |
| infobot | MohammadAG meant: chadi, I enabled -devel and -testing where I turned on my device for the first time | 19:29 |
| auenf | had issues with a vb app last year, multi-threading was screwing with me cause i was talking to a serial port | 19:29 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, but you are "special" | 19:29 |
| MohammadAG | ~thanks | 19:29 |
| infobot | MohammadAG: gern geschehen | 19:29 |
| chadi | hah, nice bot | 19:29 |
| MohammadAG | define special lol | 19:29 |
| * noobmonk3y only uses extras-devel and extras-testing when he know what he wants to do with it | 19:30 | |
| lcuk | "i can count to potato" kind of special :p | 19:30 |
| noobmonk3y | ie now, updating healthcheck :D | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | What's the will_shut_down_at volts ShadowJK? | 19:30 |
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| MohammadAG | what's gern cheschehen lol | 19:30 |
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| * noobmonk3y meh .... and maybe update fmms too | 19:30 | |
| MohammadAG | geschehen* | 19:30 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, just hit upgrade all | 19:30 |
| noobmonk3y | noooooooooooooooooooooooooo | 19:30 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil: 3200mV according to L3&L4, empirical observations concur | 19:31 |
| MohammadAG | lol lcuk | 19:31 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, could you update h/c - want to see what you think of the new goodies in the first menu :D | 19:31 |
| MohammadAG | I always update | 19:31 |
| noobmonk3y | lol ;) | 19:31 |
| lcuk | 10 minutes left until i watch final destination 4 | 19:31 |
| MohammadAG | is it up yet? | 19:31 |
| * noobmonk3y remembers to put boobies in the next version | 19:31 | |
| noobmonk3y | lol lcuk | 19:31 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, why not :P | 19:31 |
| noobmonk3y | yup | 19:31 |
| noobmonk3y | i just upgraded fine | 19:32 |
| noobmonk3y | 0.7.1-0 | 19:32 |
| * MohammadAG types apt-get update and gets a stopwatch | 19:32 | |
| auenf | ive got 5.25" floppys of VB1 here somewhere... | 19:32 |
| Treibholz | lcuk: hmm, the API seems to be only for c++, right? | 19:32 |
| * MohammadAG thinks it's C not C++ | 19:32 | |
| Treibholz | MohammadAG: there are classes in C? | 19:33 |
| MohammadAG | Treibholz, not sure, never programmed in C but when I looked at the API it was C | 19:33 |
| * MohammadAG wants to get another battery and disable WiFi Power management | 19:34 | |
| lcuk | Treibholz, yes afaik its a c++ lib | 19:34 |
| * MohammadAG hits himself for saying wrong info | 19:34 | |
| auenf | btw, let me know which command to type on my n810 to turn it into a n900 ;)\ | 19:35 |
| Treibholz | Well, I guess I'll have to try the brutal sqlite-method in python then. | 19:35 |
| MohammadAG | ~pinning | 19:35 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, pinning is 'man apt_preferences', or add testing and unstable lines to sources.list, create /etc/apt/preferences containing "Package: *\nPin: release a=testing\nPin-Priority: 900\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release o=Debian\nPin-Priority: -10\n", then apt-get install foo/unstable, or at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/4/mail#1, or read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200212/msg00659.html | 19:35 |
| Treibholz | the lack of CalDAV-support is very annoying | 19:35 |
| MohammadAG | expected a shorter answer... | 19:35 |
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| * lcuk is pondering a nipple component in liqbase | 19:39 | |
| lcuk | however, im having trouble with my normal naming convention | 19:39 |
| FIQ | hm | 19:39 |
| FIQ | my N900 is very hot atm | 19:39 |
| lcuk | "liqnipple" :D | 19:39 |
| MohammadAG | FIQ, overclocked? | 19:39 |
| lcuk | FIQ, just charged it? | 19:39 |
| FIQ | no | 19:39 |
| lcuk | then some process is running wild? | 19:40 |
| SpeedEvil_ | Is it on fire? | 19:40 |
| SpeedEvil_ | top | 19:40 |
| FIQ | i didn't even use it before like 3mins ago | 19:40 |
| FIQ | yeah, it's burning atm, speedevil | 19:40 |
| FIQ | could be something temp maybe | 19:40 |
| MohammadAG | FIQ shut it down | 19:41 |
| FIQ | ok | 19:41 |
| MohammadAG | or just reboot | 19:41 |
| FIQ | [18:41:58] 18:41:58 up 18:38, load average: 0.45, 0.88, 0.83 | 19:41 |
| FIQ | don't see anything odd | 19:41 |
| MohammadAG | joikuspot? | 19:41 |
| lcuk | FIQ_MOTHER: and what were you doing up at midnight? | 19:41 |
| FIQ | lol | 19:42 |
| FIQ | i'm 15 | 19:42 |
| MohammadAG | so? :P | 19:42 |
| FIQ | and no school day! | 19:42 |
| FIQ | anyway | 19:42 |
| lcuk | my 15yo son went to a part last night | 19:42 |
| MohammadAG | I'm 16 :P | 19:42 |
| ShadowJK | joikuspot? | 19:43 |
| FIQ | still hot so i try reboot | 19:43 |
| FIQ | no | 19:43 |
| FIQ | i used it before - in beta stage | 19:43 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk_wife and why was your son at a party last night ;p | 19:43 |
| lcuk | she drove him there lol | 19:43 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 19:43 |
| lcuk | hes been good recently so we let him :) | 19:43 |
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| lcuk | and allllll his mates were goinb | 19:44 |
| lcuk | there were >20 people sleepin @ friends house | 19:44 |
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| MohammadAG | o.O | 19:44 |
| MohammadAG | how big is the house lol | 19:44 |
| lcuk | it was an appt | 19:45 |
| lcuk | i think they slept on the balcony and roof lol | 19:45 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 19:45 |
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| lcuk | i remember parties like that | 19:45 |
| MohammadAG | well you have fun when you're out with friends | 19:45 |
| MohammadAG | doesn't matter how/where you sleep | 19:45 |
| MohammadAG | if you sleep at all that is ;) | 19:45 |
| lcuk | ofc | 19:46 |
| lcuk | but he had too | 19:46 |
| lcuk | the night before they hadnt from what facebook tells us | 19:46 |
| * MohammadAG hates timestamps on facebook | 19:46 | |
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| MohammadAG | I commented on a post at 6 AM once, wasn't supposed to stay awake that long :p | 19:47 |
| lcuk | lololol | 19:48 |
| pupnik | normal use is really needing -150 to -160mA. with spikes to 290 | 19:49 |
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| FIQ | hm | 19:51 |
| FIQ | it's not hot anymore lol | 19:51 |
| FIQ | if it happens again in same situration, i'll speak here again | 19:52 |
| FIQ | :p | 19:52 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: turning off cellmo eliminates one async event | 19:52 |
| lcuk | hi pupnik | 19:52 |
| SpeedEvil | See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTa_UHf2Yoo | 19:52 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 19:52 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 19:52 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption#Some_preliminary_numbers_using_bq27200. | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil | that | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, that's the second time you paste a wrong link today :P | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah. | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil | way too tired from moving railway sleepers, and spraying my seed on the ground. | 19:53 |
| * MohammadAG hates it when that happens | 19:53 | |
| pupnik | hi SpeedEvil lcuk | 19:53 |
| * SpeedEvil_ is recalibratin his battera! | 19:55 | |
| GeneralAntilles | So, who's started skirting the "I want a dead OMAP3" line? ;) | 19:56 |
| pupnik | SpeedEvil: gardening? | 19:57 |
| SpeedEvil_ | I'm not generally finding much too slow | 19:57 |
| SpeedEvil_ | pupnik: doing lawn. | 19:57 |
| * GeneralAntilles has to restart his every 2 days or so or it slows to Molasses in January speeds. | 19:58 | |
| SpeedEvil_ | http://www.flickr.com/photos | 19:58 |
| SpeedEvil_ | ere | 19:58 |
| SpeedEvil_ | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/sets/72157623642782601/ | 19:59 |
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| noobmonk3y | w000p | 20:02 |
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| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, wb | 20:03 |
| MohammadAG | hi DocScrutinizer | 20:03 |
| noobmonk3y | ty :D | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi | 20:04 |
| lcuk | cya later maemo \o | 20:06 |
| javispedro | cya lcuk | 20:07 |
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| MohammadAG | o/ | 20:08 |
| matthew_ | Hmmm where do u have the power saving options? | 20:08 |
| MohammadAG | Wi-fi? Advanced options | 20:08 |
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| matthew_ | thx | 20:08 |
| noobmonk3y | ciao lcuk | 20:09 |
| pupnik | nice omap3 board - size of a credit card http://www.igep-platform.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46&Itemid=55 | 20:09 |
| matthew_ | sorry for being a noob, but where are wifi options?:) | 20:10 |
| matthew_ | cant find them in settings | 20:10 |
| SpeedEvil | it's a per-connection setting | 20:10 |
| SpeedEvil | edit connection, then click to the end page | 20:10 |
| matthew_ | ah | 20:10 |
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| supertramp | hey :) | 20:10 |
| supertramp | is there some nasty trick how to boot into some 'safe mode?' :) | 20:11 |
| supertramp | I screwed something on the filesystem in /usr and now it won't boot so .. | 20:11 |
| supertramp | it's n900 | 20:11 |
| supertramp | :)) | 20:11 |
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| supertramp | something like init 1 and shell ... | 20:12 |
| supertramp | meaning single-user with shell ... | 20:13 |
| supertramp | :)) | 20:13 |
| joga | I don't think there is one..at least if you haven't set up one yourself (or if it's some secret) | 20:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: how do I get it to actually update the last measured discharge? I went from full->empty, and it hasn't. | 20:14 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: oh - I may have plugged it in for a momnet - that will presumably do it | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, this vacuumcleaner forced ventilation for that crap laptop is unbearable for anything beyond a quit mailfetch. :-S | 20:16 |
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| matthew_ | Could any1 advise on http://img.inerd.me/screenshot05.png | 20:18 |
| SpeedEvil | what about it? | 20:19 |
| lcuk | its dead jim*, but not as we know it, not as we know it, not as we know it. * matthew_ | 20:19 |
| matthew_ | why did the battery drop in a second from over 20% to 0 | 20:19 |
| SpeedEvil | because the battery reporting mechanism battery-eye is using is somewhat odd | 20:23 |
| SpeedEvil | There is a more accurate battery state thingy avaialable - search for .tar earlier in the channel | 20:23 |
| SpeedEvil | it does not make pretty graphs thouhg. | 20:23 |
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| * noobmonk3y grins... if only joiku had a net send or msg ability as well as a cut-off option | 20:25 | |
| pupnik | there's klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow, there's klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, lcuk | 20:25 |
| lcuk | :D | 20:25 |
| * lcuk looks back @ movie | 20:25 | |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | fsck pretty graphs - they confuse the hell out of normal users anyway | 20:33 |
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| * noobmonk3y finally relented and added web | 20:36 | |
| * DocScrutinizer-8 considers ssh from N810 to N900 as that seems the only possible setup atm to check bq24150 here | 20:37 | |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | except option to shoot my ears with vacuum 'fan' for laptop :-J | 20:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | Take some toilet paper. Fold a sheet in four lengthways. Roll tightly. Insert in ears. | 21:09 |
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| pupnik | why? | 21:15 |
| joker_89 | anyone knows pys60? | 21:19 |
| MohammadAG | this is #maemo not #symbian | 21:19 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 21:20 |
| joker_89 | yes but symbian its dead | 21:20 |
| * noobmonk3y thinks he has pulled a muscle in his arm L( | 21:20 | |
| noobmonk3y | :( | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | ask, I'll see if I can help | 21:20 |
| noobmonk3y | probably a bigger heartbeat then #qt-maemo normally has | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, normal ppl's muscles pull you know... | 21:21 |
| noobmonk3y | :) | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 21:21 |
| joker_89 | i want to put the now time in a e32db :S | 21:22 |
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| MohammadAG | nope, no idea about that | 21:22 |
| MohammadAG | only made a reboot app | 21:22 |
| MohammadAG | (yes that needs an app on symbian) | 21:23 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol | 21:23 |
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| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, a reboot app is 1 line of code isnt it? - reboot lol....... | 21:23 |
| noobmonk3y | ok maybe 3 ;) | 21:23 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, no, since symbian doesn't have a 'reboot' app :P | 21:24 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhhhhhhhhh | 21:24 |
| MohammadAG | it's a forced reboot, I make the system crash | 21:24 |
| MohammadAG | it reboots | 21:24 |
| MohammadAG | but it's safe | 21:24 |
| MohammadAG | making the UI was easy though | 21:24 |
| noobmonk3y | lol! | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | since it's all standard, unlike Maemo | 21:25 |
| noobmonk3y | ~ping | 21:25 |
| infobot | ~pong | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | where you have to thinnk where you want to place buttons etc... | 21:25 |
| noobmonk3y | maemo is standard to me, lol didnt know much else ;) | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | but the standard UI makes it slow | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | I really want to learn python | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | I started with it on Symbian | 21:25 |
| noobmonk3y | well learn it then ;) | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | but it's much easier on Symbian | 21:26 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, how many lines is hc? | 21:26 |
| noobmonk3y | to be fair go move in with w00t_ for a few weeks, i'm sure he speaks python in his sleep ;) | 21:26 |
| MohammadAG | (just wondering) | 21:26 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 21:26 |
| w00t_ | lol | 21:26 |
| noobmonk3y | lol hc is a bad example...... its about 1600 - but probably could be about 500 | 21:26 |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 21:26 |
| w00t_ | I dabble with a lot of things :) | 21:26 |
| noobmonk3y | ;) | 21:27 |
| noobmonk3y | i probably know more assembly code then i do python :P | 21:27 |
| noobmonk3y | but the python for dummies and the pyton qt book snext to me help :D | 21:27 |
| MohammadAG | assembly, heard that somewhere too :P | 21:27 |
| noobmonk3y | python* | 21:27 |
| MohammadAG | you got python for dummies? | 21:27 |
| w00t_ | E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. | 21:28 |
| * w00t_ swears | 21:28 | |
| MohammadAG | lol move it | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG | mine is 220MBs xD | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG | mkdir -p /opt/var/cache/apt | 21:28 |
| noobmonk3y | all in all i have done bits of assembly, ada, pascal, basic(qbasic too), vb - all versions... .net, java, perl and flashscript...... :| probably a few more i'd think (did a n app in cobol to prove it worked, lol) | 21:28 |
| w00t_ | I had python stuck in there for some raeson | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG | mv /var/cache/apt/archives /opt/var/cache/apt/' | 21:28 |
| w00t_ | removing it sorted that out of course | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG | mv /var/cache/apt/archives /opt/var/cache/apt/ | 21:29 |
| noobmonk3y | w00t_, doesnt python optify sort that? | 21:29 |
| MohammadAG | ln -s /opt/var/cache/apt/archives /var/cache/apt/archives | 21:29 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, no, that's where .debs get stored | 21:29 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhhhhhh | 21:29 |
| noobmonk3y | then apt-get clean or apt-get autoremove? | 21:29 |
| MohammadAG | I'm sure I have a couple dozen of healthcheck debs | 21:29 |
| MohammadAG | I don't do cleaning | 21:29 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 21:29 |
| MohammadAG | I have it in /opt, so I don't care :P | 21:30 |
| noobmonk3y | fair do's | 21:30 |
| * RST38h moos at the moon again | 21:30 | |
| * noobmonk3y bleats at the sun | 21:30 | |
| w00t_ | mmm. where is libqt4-maemo5-* installed to? /opt/ | 21:30 |
| w00t_ | isn't it? | 21:30 |
| * RST38h sacrifices noobmonk3y to the Tentacled One | 21:30 | |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, when I reflash I just run apt-get and install all debs xD | 21:30 |
| noobmonk3y | w0t - yup | 21:30 |
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| * noobmonk3y bleats at the tentacled one.. then farts | 21:30 | |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, :D | 21:30 |
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| noobmonk3y | evening rsalveti_ | 21:31 |
| MohammadAG | takes 5 minutes to restore 200+ apps | 21:31 |
| noobmonk3y | RST38h, even | 21:31 |
| noobmonk3y | omfg auto tab will be the death of me | 21:31 |
| MohammadAG | ok maybe 15 minutes | 21:31 |
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| MohammadAG | thought about downloading the whole repo once, but I learned it was 48GBs | 21:31 |
| noobmonk3y | took me about 1 hr to do about 40......... but was on 2g/3g | 21:31 |
| MohammadAG | umm, 80+GB actually | 21:32 |
| * noobmonk3y will b back later - need more wine and ciggies | 21:32 | |
| MohammadAG | don't drink, it resets your memory and makes you moo a lot | 21:33 |
| RST38h | hmmm, overclockers strike again, at 1GHz | 21:33 |
| * noobmonk3y moo's | 21:33 | |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, correction, 1.02 :P | 21:33 |
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| Arkenoi | rst38h: and it does not overheat? | 21:39 |
| anotnac | i OC to 900MHz noticed no excessive heating up yet but not really hammered the CPU much | 21:41 |
| MohammadAG | anotnac, just a note, if any damage happens it's at the hardware level, so a reflash won't fix | 21:42 |
| MohammadAG | I'm running @ 825 | 21:42 |
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| anotnac | yea i know, i'm going back to 800 later until more testing is carried out | 21:43 |
| Shapeshifter | does overclocking the n900 make it neccessary to increase voltage? | 21:43 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: No idea, try | 21:44 |
| anotnac | as anyone reported any damaged handsets yrt | 21:44 |
| mango_make | media player isn't seeing any of my music and photos doesn't think i have any photos! any ideas how to get em back? ive tried "touching" all the files to make them seem new | 21:44 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Probably does not heat up too much unless you push it with torrent or something | 21:44 |
| pupnik | MohammadAG: do you apt-get install and manually supply the list of 200 debs? | 21:45 |
| Shapeshifter | because if it doesn't, there's probably no "hidden" damage to the hardware if there's no excessive heat. | 21:45 |
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| MohammadAG | pupnik, I take it from the backup | 21:45 |
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| MohammadAG | the one taken by osso-backup | 21:45 |
| pupnik | can you explain where that list is? | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG | /var/lib/hildon-application-manager/packages.backup | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG | I think | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG | sec lemme make sure | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG | yep | 21:46 |
| joker_89 | anyone knows how to stablish a connection with a webserver? | 21:47 |
| anotnac | dont you hate sites that post they dont endorse something but then post instruction on how to and post them incorrectly lol | 21:47 |
| MohammadAG | I use leafpad to remove the <pkg> tags | 21:47 |
| MohammadAG | by replacing it with nothing | 21:47 |
| Lumpio- | joker_89: Open your browser and type in the address | 21:47 |
| RST38h | Ahhahahaha | 21:47 |
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| anotnac | http://phonereport.info/guide-how-to-overclock-nokia-n900-hack/ | 21:47 |
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| RST38h | They are disabling Ctrl+Space again :))))) | 21:47 |
| MohammadAG | anotnac, they took my instructions on how to reverse it from the facebook post | 21:48 |
| MohammadAG | without mentioning me | 21:48 |
| MohammadAG | now I don't care about credit and stuff | 21:48 |
| MohammadAG | but at least say someone pointed it out (without mentioning a name) | 21:48 |
| anotnac | why is SDK needed | 21:48 |
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| pupnik | ty MohammadAG | 21:50 |
| anotnac | anyone seen this web app service http://www.intomobile.com/2010/04/04/toshl-expense-tracking-app-is-web-connected-and-i-love-it-for-that.html | 21:50 |
| anotnac | cross platform sounds cool | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG | anotnac, developing can be done without an SDK | 21:51 |
| mece | RST38h, what's ctrl-space? | 21:51 |
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| MohammadAG | changes input language AFAIK | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | and switches desktops if you have modified-hildon-desktop installed | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | apps* | 21:52 |
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| joker_89 | anyones knows how works a sincronization? | 21:52 |
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| anotnac | the point i was trying to make is it says install sdk to do oc but its flasher 3.5 whats needed | 21:55 |
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| MohammadAG | anotnac, umm where? | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | anotnac, that was before he shared the files | 21:59 |
| anotnac | i did not read correct sorry | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | lol I really was asking the first time I said where | 22:01 |
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| anotnac | as anyone really messed up there phone like that site says | 22:02 |
| sylarpowa | hi, I have submitted my idea as a student to maemo's mentors for the gsoc, I wanted to know if there was any suggestion about it ;) | 22:02 |
| anotnac | i've read little easy to fix problems but not ppl totally messing up there devoce | 22:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | anotnac, don't overclock. . . . | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | anotnac, it's highly likely you'll knock a significant amount of time off the life of your device. | 22:09 |
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| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, it's a fact not a possibility ;) | 22:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, well, yes. | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, but the possibility is that it may still far outlast any realistic usage lifetime for that particular person. | 22:13 |
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| MohammadAG | Yeah, that's why I overclocked, I usually upgrade phones in 2-3 years | 22:13 |
| supertramp | how to mount rootfs via usb? | 22:14 |
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| MohammadAG | that's not a smart thing to do ;) | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Potentially, depending on a lot of factors, 2-3 years is likely to be a bit outside of the overclocked device lifetime. ;) | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | supertramp, back up a bit. | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | supertramp, WHY do you want to mount the rootfs over USB? | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, well if it ran locked @ 800MHz I wouldn't give it more than a year | 22:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | A lot less, potentially. | 22:15 |
| MohammadAG | but overclocking doesn't lock it @ 800 | 22:16 |
| pupnik | that type of failure is a poisson distibution iirc | 22:16 |
| ssvb | GeneralAntilles: information about lifetime expectations is available in omap datasheet: http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/omap3530.pdf | 22:16 |
| supertramp | GeneralAntilles: cause I need to fix something in it | 22:16 |
| MohammadAG | pupnik, don't remind me of statistics, I'm on holiday :P | 22:16 |
| MohammadAG | supertramp, what's that something? | 22:16 |
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| supertramp | I screwed something in /usr/share - n900 wont boot now - have to revert changes | 22:17 |
| supertramp | MohammadAG: <- | 22:17 |
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| pupnik | 263 pages | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | supertramp, reflash the device | 22:17 |
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| _llll_ | to fix one file?surely not | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | you're better off doing that | 22:18 |
| ssvb | GeneralAntilles: search for POH (power-on hours) keyword, it's 100000 hours at 500MHz, and 50000 hours at 550-600MHz | 22:18 |
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| supertramp | MohammadAG: I'd like to avoid reflashing if possible | 22:18 |
| pupnik | would be nice if that were possible supertramp | 22:18 |
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| MohammadAG | not sure how to mount rootfs, but AFAIK you need a ubifs enabled kernel | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bootmenu should be able to help you | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure of the status with the N900, though. | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | or that | 22:18 |
| ssvb | GeneralAntilles: I guess at higher clock frequencies chip degradation is a lot faster | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, it works :) | 22:18 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil: if VDQ flag is 0 it wont learn on reaching EDV1. I noticed plugging it in drops VDQ | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | ssvb, so says Igor. | 22:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yeah - I realised it would need a full->empty cycle | 22:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shit, where's powertop these days? | 22:19 |
| supertramp | hm | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | ssvb, 5.7 years? | 22:19 |
| supertramp | MohammadAG: do you have any links with hints? | 22:20 |
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| MohammadAG | well this is how to mount the image file | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG | not sure how to mount the device. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=403015&postcount=3 | 22:20 |
| ssvb | MohammadAG: yes, something like this. If you think it is too much, I used to have Nokia 3330 for more than 6 years, and it is still in a good shape ;) | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | I think it's too little lol | 22:21 |
| ssvb | MohammadAG: and at let's say 800MHz, I guess this time can be easily halved | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | ssvb, but that's assuming it's running 24/7 @ 800MHz | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | or for the numbers above, 24/7 @ 500-600 | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | without going down/idling @ 125 (oc'd kernel) or 250 (stock) | 22:22 |
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| * Arkenoi still owns 8850 and 7110 and both work perfectly well | 22:26 | |
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| * GeneralAntilles wonders if -community has really been dead for 4 days. | 22:27 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Guess so. | 22:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or it's broken. | 22:27 |
| supertramp | MohammadAG: thanks :) | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG | np | 22:28 |
| pupnik | that datasheet is for 3530 - same lithography but different packaging as 3430? ssvb ? | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, -community? | 22:29 |
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| ssvb | pupnik: I don't have any link to omap3430 document offhand (assuming that it is even publically available). But considering that they are both omap3 chips, and are rated at the same clock frequencies, I think these numbers are not very much off | 22:31 |
| anotnac | will pr 1,2 still show OTA with the patched oc kernel | 22:31 |
| SpeedEvil | interesting. | 22:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I wonder what actual diference 125MHz mode would have. | 22:32 |
| SpeedEvil | powerwise | 22:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I need to do some tests with smartreflex on. | 22:32 |
| Aranel | Is it possible to use 800MHz overclocked kernel without flashing anything? | 22:33 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: hmm | 22:33 |
| Aranel | Don't wanna lose apps/config files etc, I'd be happy without flashing =) | 22:33 |
| ssvb | SpeedEvil: afaik n900 is not very stable when running at 125MHz, so this clock frequency was disabled, the same applies to smartreflex feature | 22:33 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: P4 - as listed in powertop - is not counted in the above hours tally. | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, would be happy to help :) | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG | err what? | 22:34 |
| SpeedEvil | ssvb: MohammadAGI guess. | 22:34 |
| SpeedEvil | ssvb: I guess. | 22:34 |
| pupnik | 125 wouldnt get me much. the big chompers are screen and www pages | 22:35 |
| MohammadAG | first of all I thought you wanted my help / more test subjects (:P) with smarterflex | 22:35 |
| MohammadAG | second, what's P4 | 22:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: C4 - as in powertop | 22:38 |
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| * ShadowJK had an OOPS reboot earlier | 22:38 | |
| ShadowJK | Unhandled fault: external abort on non-linefetch (0x1028) at 0xe79750f2 | 22:39 |
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| ShadowJK | no idea what tha is | 22:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | Anyone happen to recall what the output network connected to the tv dac looks like? Is there a filter/buffer in the way? | 22:41 |
| microlith | huh, I tell it to switch off and instead it rebooted... | 22:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Does battery charging ever hit 4200mV with you? | 22:45 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: with me it seems to hit 4130 or so, then back off | 22:45 |
| ShadowJK | 4165 iirc | 22:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | vdq=1 = it will learn this cycle - if nothing changes? | 22:50 |
| ShadowJK | Valid Discharge | 22:50 |
| ShadowJK | (yes) | 22:51 |
| ShadowJK | and as long as the new learned capacity isn't too different from current values | 22:51 |
| SpeedEvil | is there any way to force it? | 22:51 |
| SpeedEvil | As in write the real capacity. | 22:51 |
| SpeedEvil | (I know above tool won't) | 22:51 |
| ShadowJK | I think there's a way to write arbitrary values into LMD register | 22:52 |
| SpeedEvil | k. | 22:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Sell a polished tool to mugen! | 22:52 |
| ShadowJK | the oops reboot made me boot n900 with a warm mugen battery | 22:53 |
| ShadowJK | as a result bme thinks capacity is 300mAh | 22:53 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 22:53 |
| SpeedEvil | :( | 22:53 |
| ShadowJK | which makes it show 100% the entire time, until it shows 0% :) | 22:53 |
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| BCMM | does a 3G phone have a real IP address or a private one? | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | depends on provider | 22:57 |
| SpeedEvil | in most cases private. | 22:57 |
| SpeedEvil | You really, really don't want arbitrary viruses and botnets port knocking. | 22:58 |
| Shapeshifter | mh. :| | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | It kills your battery. | 22:58 |
| supertramp | damn - why there is nandsim module in debian | 22:58 |
| haltdef | hah, never thought of that | 22:58 |
| BCMM | but an n900 can run a server like any linux machine when it's on wifi, right? | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 22:59 |
| BCMM | Stskeeps: any way of knowing which providers give real addresses? | 22:59 |
| Shapeshifter | so, if an application - namely brainparty - freezes, and ctrl-backspace doesn't go to the taskmanager, and the power button doen't show up the menu, and sshd seems not to respont ("no route to host"), are there any other options? | 22:59 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM: for example - if you simply have it sitting awaiting ssh, then it will last several days. | 22:59 |
| Shapeshifter | other then a reboot | 22:59 |
| * b-man|laptop ran an apache server on his N900 xD | 22:59 | |
| Stskeeps | BCMM: check if you get a public addy or not? :P | 23:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: open the phone, while not disconnecting the battery, hook up JTAG, stop phone, alter memory, resume phone. | 23:00 |
| Shapeshifter | b-man|laptop: lighttpd would be more efficient and actually quite a realistic use case | 23:00 |
| BCMM | Stskeeps: i haven't got an n900 yet :) | 23:00 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: JTAG? | 23:00 |
| BCMM | Stskeeps: looking at different networks | 23:00 |
| b-man|laptop | Shapeshifter: very true | 23:00 |
| Shapeshifter | is that a joke I'm not getting? | 23:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: It's a theoretical possibility. | 23:00 |
| Shapeshifter | oh | 23:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: that in principle is an alternative. | 23:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: jtag is a low-level debuggy thing | 23:01 |
| koala_man | does qtify work for anyone? it segfaults right after authenticating for me | 23:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: reboot I guess is the only option | 23:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: I'd try camera slide too | 23:02 |
| Shapeshifter | mhh. long-pressing the power button made the led go white as in a shutdown, but it's not actually doing anything | 23:02 |
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| Shapeshifter | ah now it rebooted | 23:02 |
| Shapeshifter | 10 seconds late | 23:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: but if it's not pinging, ... | 23:02 |
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| Shapeshifter | meh. in any case, brainparty is a _really_ nice game. I'll recommend it to all my iphone friends so they buy it. But its performance is kinda poor on the n900 at times | 23:03 |
| Shapeshifter | (and it froze the device just now) | 23:04 |
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| SpeedEvil_ | what is? | 23:05 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, wheres the port | 23:05 |
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| Shapeshifter | lcuk: the port? | 23:07 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: brainparty is? | 23:07 |
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| lcuk | yes | 23:08 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: not sure what exactly you mean, but if you mean the port for the n900, here it is: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=593822&postcount=22 | 23:08 |
| Shapeshifter | sorta | 23:08 |
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| lcuk | Shapeshifter, yeah i see its in -devel and -testing :) | 23:09 |
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| Shapeshifter | it's really quite good. one of the best games - I'd say - for maemo 5 besides all the emulator business. there aren't many good native games for maemo atm. | 23:10 |
| massoud | hey there | 23:10 |
| massoud | how can i share my 3g on my n900 through usb ? | 23:11 |
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| lcuk | massoud, plugging n900 into my ubuntu laptop and selecting pcsuite mode lets me connect and use the n900 3g :) | 23:11 |
| lcuk | so, yes | 23:11 |
| massoud | iptables gives me error when i try to nat | 23:12 |
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| lcuk | ive never seen iptables :) | 23:12 |
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| lcuk | all on the normal gui | 23:12 |
| lcuk | its just another connection | 23:12 |
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| massoud | lcuk then there is a nat between phonet0 and usb0 ? | 23:13 |
| lcuk | you are speaking greek to me | 23:13 |
| lcuk | i click on o2 prepaid on my laptop and internet works | 23:13 |
| massoud | lcuk : "normal" gui ? | 23:14 |
| massoud | so the n900 acts like a modem for your ubuntu ? | 23:14 |
| lcuk | yes | 23:14 |
| massoud | and on your ubuntu what are ur settings ? | 23:15 |
| lcuk | "o2 prepaid" instead of "liqnet" | 23:15 |
| lcuk | ie instead of connecting to house network i connect to o2 | 23:15 |
| lcuk | ive never entered the command line or installed anything on my ubuntu to make it work | 23:16 |
| massoud | and you indicate that your interface is usb0 ? | 23:16 |
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| lcuk | as noted, i plug it in - i dont care which one it goes in nor do i tell it which | 23:17 |
| lcuk | it works exactly as i would expect it to, its actually +100 win for linux and from that level more understandable than windows :) | 23:18 |
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| supertramp | is anyone here who knows where to get nandsim for debian? | 23:19 |
| * VladNistor says hello | 23:20 | |
| VladNistor | is there a way to force an application to install, i'm trying to get psx4all on it and the pr1.2 dependencies are in the way... | 23:20 |
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| Appiah | I think there's a dpkg --force | 23:21 |
| VladNistor | but i would need the .deb first, right? | 23:21 |
| Appiah | how are you trying to install this application that wont install? | 23:21 |
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| VladNistor | Appiah, apt-get install psx4all | 23:22 |
| Appiah | try -f | 23:22 |
| Appiah | apt-get install -f | 23:22 |
| VladNistor | thanks, but it's not working. it still says it has the unmet dependencies and E: Brokern packages at the end :( | 23:23 |
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| VladNistor | i've searched the net a bit and there's nothing except the dpkg --force option you mentioned. do you think i should get the .deb and do the dpkg --force? | 23:24 |
| phellarv | Anyone here tried the OC-kernels? | 23:24 |
| VladNistor | yup, running the 900 one right now | 23:25 |
| phellarv | Working fine? | 23:25 |
| massoud | every body has internet sharing working on the n900 ? | 23:25 |
| VladNistor | 3 hours and fine... yeah, it's a dream :P | 23:25 |
| massoud | for your laptop connected on usb/bt ? | 23:25 |
| VladNistor | but i'll probably go with the 7xx or 800 until people test it more, don't wanna' brick it ;) | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG | <VladNistor> is there a way to force an application to install, i'm trying to get psx4all on it and the pr1.2 dependencies are in the way... | 23:27 |
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| phellarv | VladNistor: Hehe - Just something boggling me about the thread on maemo-forums - fiasco-flasher? where do I find that piece of software - I know the stock flasher has some fiasco options. | 23:27 |
| MohammadAG | I compiled a package | 23:27 |
| VladNistor | the 125 part of it is what's nice, instead of the 250 :) | 23:27 |
| joga | I started downloading easy debian image and put the phone on the table and charging, now that I look at it, I don't get anything on the screen, even the unlock switch doesn't seem to work and to get the backlight to light up I can press the power button or open the camera cover. it kind of seems to work though, the backlight goes off again etc. | 23:27 |
| massoud | have u guys tried iptables on n900 ? | 23:27 |
| joga | maybe this is because it's currently extracting it and doesn't have time to show me any interface? ;) | 23:27 |
| VladNistor | phellarv, i think it's in extras-devel or testing | 23:27 |
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| phellarv | VladNistor: M'kay. | 23:28 |
| MohammadAG | VladNistor, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/psx4all_0.3.9.1_armel.deb | 23:28 |
| VladNistor | sweet, thanks MohammadAG! | 23:28 |
| MohammadAG | you don't need to force anything to install that, BUT it doesn't install from app manager | 23:28 |
| VladNistor | yeah, thanks :) i'll dpkg -i it | 23:29 |
| joga | (I think timewise it probably had reached the extraction phase, judging by the last time I checked the download speed) | 23:29 |
| joga | so I guess it's just hogging all cpu for extracting with a much higher priority than to show me anything...but shouldn't the scheduler give it at least some time? | 23:30 |
| joga | or, maybe it has just gone haywire but I'll wait for a while :) | 23:30 |
| joga | I also seem to notice a slight delay in the backlighting kicking in when the hardware keyboard is opened | 23:33 |
| VladNistor | thanks MohammadAG, it works like a charm :) | 23:33 |
| phellarv | Hmmm - I cannot find the fiasco flasher. | 23:34 |
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| MohammadAG | np :) | 23:36 |
| VladNistor | phellarv, are you talking about the one for the N900 or the one to install on the PC to flash the n900 from there? | 23:36 |
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| phellarv | The one for the N900 | 23:36 |
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| VladNistor | i can't find it in the repos either, you should look in the thread and find exactly what that person said about it... i remember it in mention but not more | 23:39 |
| VladNistor | are there any free roms for the psx4all somewhere? or i just need to outright steal to play them? :)) | 23:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yuck, AC weather is here. | 23:43 |
| joga | heh, calling the phone from another makes it seems to the caller it rings but it doesn't currently does not do anything visible or audible :) | 23:44 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | when you don't subtract something from someone, you are not stealing, VladNistor. | 23:44 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | copyright infringement is not stealing. | 23:44 |
| MohammadAG | ptl_demands_PR12, both are illegal | 23:44 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 23:44 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | yes, but killing and robbing are illegal too, but they are not the same thing. | 23:45 |
| VladNistor | yeah, i'm just depriving someone of income, same as stealing in my book :) | 23:45 |
| MohammadAG | ptl_demands_PR12, nice logic :P | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Which could lead to their death! | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Programmers have to eat too! | 23:45 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 23:45 |
| VladNistor | indeed :) | 23:45 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | no, you are not, because you can't assert that the person who uses the thing would still use it if it had to pay | 23:45 |
| MohammadAG | what if they're open source programmers :P | 23:45 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | so, this deprivement argument is bogus. | 23:45 |
| VladNistor | they have to eat too :)) | 23:46 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: they get by on beer. | 23:46 |
| MohammadAG | lmao | 23:46 |
| * luke-jr growls at stupid N810 and its battery life of under 15 minutes | 23:47 | |
| MrGoose | luke-jr: you could need a new battery | 23:47 |
| luke-jr | that would support Nokia :( | 23:47 |
| luke-jr | but srsly, it's only 15 months old | 23:48 |
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| MrGoose | mine is about 2 years old (n800) | 23:48 |
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| MrGoose | I usually end up charging it after every 2 hours use anyway | 23:49 |
| luke-jr | I suppose if I drove, I could use an inverter | 23:49 |
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| luke-jr | I don't remember the last time mine survived a trip | 23:49 |
| luke-jr | anyhow, any suggestions for modern triangulation sw? | 23:50 |
| MrGoose | I have a bunch of 18650 cells that run on 3.7 v and Im tempted to use them to power old mobile phones/ tablets except they look like little dynamite sticks | 23:50 |
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