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| Arif_ | why would anyone put a callcenter there | 00:03 |
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| nidO | same reason theyre in india I guess | 00:03 |
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| ShadowJK | awesome, i2ctools' i2cget works for talking to bq27200 | 00:04 |
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| abinader | is there a way to easily obtain the device (N900) ASIC public ID? | 00:05 |
| SpeedEvil_ | asic? | 00:05 |
| SpeedEvil_ | you could ask the cellmo its imsi | 00:05 |
| SpeedEvil_ | or the wifi or bt theiir macs | 00:06 |
| SpeedEvil_ | unsure if mmc has a serial | 00:06 |
| ShadowJK | or /sys/power/idcode | 00:06 |
| abinader | yeah, stands for Application Specific Integrated Circuit | 00:06 |
| SpeedEvil_ | abinader, I know. | 00:06 |
| SpeedEvil_ | abinader, that's about as much help as saying 'how can I ask the plastic' | 00:07 |
| abinader | SpeedEvil_: yeah, I wonder if that public ID and IMSI are the same thing | 00:07 |
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| SpeedEvil_ | abinader, there are a dozen ASICs in there | 00:07 |
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| abinader | ShadowJK: will take a look at it :) thx | 00:08 |
| jacekowski | nidO: i don't like to do anything via e-mail | 00:09 |
| SpeedEvil_ | ah - no | 00:09 |
| jacekowski | nidO: it leaves other side option to ignore you quetly | 00:09 |
| jacekowski | quietly* | 00:09 |
| SpeedEvil_ | idcode is a die version for the ssoc. | 00:10 |
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| SpeedEvil_ | It should be in /proc/cpuinfo. | 00:10 |
| ShadowJK | Interesting, bq27200 is reporting Capacity Inaccurate | 00:10 |
| SpeedEvil_ | SOC | 00:10 |
| nidO | jacekowski well, depends on how much you trust your host. our sole main focus is good support, most support issues raised with our helpdesk get a response + resolution in under 10 minutes | 00:10 |
| abinader | SpeedEvil_: on the "Serial" field? | 00:10 |
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| jacekowski | nidO: but you still don't speak to real person | 00:11 |
| SpeedEvil_ | at /sys/power/idcode | 00:11 |
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| abinader | oh ok | 00:11 |
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| jacekowski | nidO: and in case when you make a call you speak to person and there is real person that will feel little bit responsible for it | 00:11 |
| nidO | you type to one though, and for dealing with real actual support issues, email is just far faster and more efficient than by the phone | 00:11 |
| SpeedEvil_ | roduction ID: 00000000 00000000 000000cc cafeb7ae | 00:11 |
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| SpeedEvil_ | ie ID: 10015019 040360df 00000000 35c20004 | 00:12 |
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| SpeedEvil_ | I don't recall a serial number mention in the SOC manual. I only skimmed it though. 3300 pages | 00:13 |
| jacekowski | i guess you can get it out with cpuid like function | 00:13 |
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| abinader | SpeedEvil_: seems like the die ID is unique for each device then? | 00:14 |
| SpeedEvil_ | I don't remember there being one. | 00:14 |
| jacekowski | which leads me to question - how they write that ID/serial to cpu | 00:14 |
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| SpeedEvil_ | abinader, don't think so. however - does that differ from yours? | 00:15 |
| abinader | SpeedEvil_: the Die yes, Production ID is the same | 00:15 |
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| SpeedEvil_ | k | 00:15 |
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| SpeedEvil_ | google spruf98 | 00:15 |
| javispedro | damn 353x manual | 00:16 |
| javispedro | why couldn't they leak the 343x | 00:16 |
| SpeedEvil_ | ? | 00:16 |
| clau30_ | hi guys. I'm interested in the oscilloscope gsoc project | 00:16 |
| javispedro | just to keep that feeling of unsafeness while playing | 00:16 |
| SpeedEvil_ | ah | 00:16 |
| SpeedEvil_ | clau30_, linky | 00:16 |
| abinader | SpeedEvil_: | 00:16 |
| abinader | SpeedEvil_: found it :) | 00:17 |
| SpeedEvil_ | javispedro, we haven't gotten the device specific manual | 00:17 |
| clau30_ | linky? | 00:17 |
| abinader | the doc, I mean | 00:17 |
| SpeedEvil_ | clau30_, link to proposal | 00:17 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil_: yeah... bad luck. | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: share I2C-tools to me *please* | 00:17 |
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| SpeedEvil_ | javispedro, or leaked docs of the rapuyama | 00:18 |
| Arif_ | meh | 00:18 |
| Arif_ | TechnoTrend is mean | 00:18 |
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| clau30_ | well it | 00:19 |
| clau30_ | well it's here http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2010/Project_ideas the 4th one | 00:19 |
| Arif_ | they won't give the IR codes for their remotes :( | 00:19 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, http://enivax.net/jk/i2c-tools-armel.tar.bz2 | 00:19 |
| ds3 | SpeedEvil: the last I looked, they also have seperate PDFs for each chapter if tha tmakes it more readable ;) | 00:19 |
| * ShadowJK just downloaded it in sb and compiled it | 00:19 | |
| ShadowJK | binaries in there somewhere | 00:19 |
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| lardman | evening all | 00:20 |
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| javispedro | evening lardman | 00:21 |
| lardman | hey javispedro, congrats | 00:21 |
| javispedro | thanks | 00:21 |
| javispedro | :) | 00:21 |
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| lardman | I'm glad my vote counted at least ;) | 00:21 |
| SpeedEvil_ | clau30_, have you looked at the bandwidth of the mic circuit? | 00:21 |
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| javispedro | hehe | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: thanks, mate | 00:22 |
| javispedro | let's hope we have what it takes :) | 00:22 |
| clau30_ | SpeedEvil_: I haven't done anything now, just wanted to know if it's still "available" etc | 00:22 |
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| noobmonk3y | lo lardman | 00:23 |
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| lardman | hi noobmonk3y | 00:24 |
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| SpeedEvil_ | I don't know how gsoc works really, sorry. | 00:25 |
| lardman | hmm, all I know is that I get loads of bloody emails from them | 00:25 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | aircrack is crippled and useless,correct me if im wrong, any point in it being in the repo? | 00:27 |
| lardman | is that a driver issue? | 00:27 |
| javispedro | hum | 00:27 |
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| javispedro | lemme guess, packet injection? | 00:27 |
| javispedro | packet injection is broken I mean? | 00:28 |
| lardman | C-S-B-N900: might also be there as a WIP | 00:28 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | yeah javispedro, lardman | 00:28 |
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| * noobmonk3y has finished trolling of rthe day.... | 00:30 | |
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| noobmonk3y | for* | 00:30 |
| * Arif_ hands noobmonk3y a half full glass of wate | 00:30 | |
| Arif_ | r | 00:30 |
| lardman | noobmonk3y: anything interesting in TMO? | 00:30 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol lardman - really , no....... | 00:30 |
| * lardman is happy with his half full glass of wine | 00:30 | |
| lardman | noobmonk3y: :) | 00:30 |
| noobmonk3y | lardman, - read this then take another month off ;) | 00:31 |
| noobmonk3y | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48887 | 00:31 |
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| javispedro | C-S-B: I once tried to do raw wifi packet injection on the N900 (to port a nifi -- nintendo ds wifi -- client) but I think there's something weird about radiotap support in the n900 kernel | 00:31 |
| lardman | hmm, as soon as I venture in, I will be forced by my completist nature to read all the threads I've missed thus far; or at least the interesting ones | 00:31 |
| lardman | so I've avoiding it still | 00:31 |
| lardman | s/ve/m | 00:32 |
| noobmonk3y | lard, ... you could just mark all threads as read? | 00:32 |
| javispedro | lardman: if you decide to enter tmo again, please DON'T use that link | 00:32 |
| lardman | lol | 00:32 |
| noobmonk3y | lol javispedro ;) | 00:32 |
| lardman | hmm, perhaps it's worth a visit | 00:32 |
| javispedro | lardman: you'll die. you need several weeks of relaxation for your mind to be able to handle that. | 00:32 |
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| noobmonk3y | he aint kidding | 00:32 |
| lardman | perhaps over the Easter break, when I have some time to read and write too | 00:32 |
| noobmonk3y | it's only the beer that got me through that thread | 00:32 |
| noobmonk3y | maybe when you are retired? ;) | 00:32 |
| noobmonk3y | you will need more then a week ;) | 00:33 |
| javispedro | it's like if someone combined all the common tmo misconceptions into a single, flaming post | 00:33 |
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| javispedro | wonderful. | 00:33 |
| C-S-B-N900 | espeak caller looks awesome, now i can avoid people without even looking at my phone. | 00:33 |
| C-S-B-N900 | anyone tried it? | 00:33 |
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| noobmonk3y | omg lardman has gone to tmo... or he has just stopped breathing lol | 00:35 |
| javispedro | he died alraedy, i was wondering why we're not getting any more replies from him | 00:35 |
| noobmonk3y | ;) | 00:35 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 00:35 |
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| sECuRE | is there any way to add an own group in the default address book application? i would like to batch-import a temporary phonebook and put them in a separate group | 00:37 |
| sECuRE | (phonebook is only interesting for an event lasting 4 days) | 00:38 |
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| dekozo | is there a way to run maemo on a virtual machine or something like this ? | 00:40 |
| lardman | noobmonk3y: nah, just went to refill my glass, don;'t worry, am still alive ;) | 00:40 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:40 |
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| * mgedmin is again annoyed by "... and 2 more" sections in Maemo Weekly News | 00:48 | |
| Luke-Jr2 | n810 ac adapter plug is bending :( | 00:49 |
| dekozo | is there a way to run maemo on a virtual machine or something like this ? | 00:49 |
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| Luke-Jr2 | dekozo yes | 00:49 |
| Luke-Jr2 | but u may need to write code | 00:50 |
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| dekozo | i see, thank you | 00:50 |
| Luke-Jr2 | qemu has some n8x0 support, but it doesn't work as-is | 00:50 |
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| dekozo | thanks | 00:51 |
| Luke-Jr2 | np | 00:52 |
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| Pogi | hi | 00:57 |
| Pogi | so otg will be possible on the n900? | 00:57 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 00:58 |
| SpeedEvil | usb-host-mode is still a maybe | 00:58 |
| SpeedEvil | otg is a flat no | 00:58 |
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| ds3 | SpeedEvil: is the usb-host-mode stuff tracked by that one thread? | 00:59 |
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| Pogi | but i think it wont charge during hsost mode | 01:00 |
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| Pogi | i hope the engineers here will make the fdream come true on the n900 | 01:00 |
| SpeedEvil | no reason it shouldn't charge | 01:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | the power and data sides aer seperate | 01:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | ds3, thred? | 01:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | oh | 01:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | I don't read tmo much | 01:05 |
| ds3 | SpeedEvil: the one on talk.maemo.org or is there a better way to follow? | 01:05 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: well, Doc does, he even writes sometimes :D | 01:06 |
| SpeedEvil | ds3, hang out in irc, waiting for people with clue. | 01:06 |
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| javispedro | (that's the main reason the "thread" is interesting) | 01:07 |
| javispedro | (without his contribution it would be of the average tmo quality level... :( ) | 01:07 |
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| ds3 | SpeedEvil: oh... was hoping for something to avoid duplication of effort | 01:08 |
| SpeedEvil | or wiki pages | 01:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:N900_Hardware | 01:09 |
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| lauri | hey guys | 01:12 |
| lauri | I have a proposal for GSoC, please take a look here: http://v6sa.itcollege.ee/wiki/?page=tx-mobile | 01:13 |
| lauri | I am very much interested in feedback! | 01:13 |
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| Arif_ | what's transifex? | 01:18 |
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| sECuRE | how comes this wiki page is outdated: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_SDK%2B_installation_on_Debian_%28AMD64%29 and people are noting their comments on the talk page? i seem to be able to edit it and would update it right now, or am i overlooking anything on why this has not been done yet? | 01:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | you haven't done it. | 01:31 |
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| sECuRE | so there is no reason which speaks against it, right? | 01:31 |
| SpeedEvil | nope | 01:31 |
| sECuRE | ok, great. will update it now | 01:31 |
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| crashanddie | Arif_: translation system | 01:39 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | anyone find that gpodder loves taking your resources? | 01:39 |
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| acidjazz | wadupwadup | 02:09 |
| acidjazz | any1 put meego on their phone yet | 02:09 |
| C-S-B-N900 | nope. | 02:10 |
| microlith | some have | 02:10 |
| acidjazz | wtf not | 02:10 |
| acidjazz | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/n900/images/ | 02:10 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | is there a build out? | 02:10 |
| acidjazz | wheres jpegs/videos | 02:10 |
| acidjazz | yea man read the news | 02:10 |
| javispedro | I love this part. | 02:10 |
| acidjazz | http://meego.com/community/blogs/imad/2010/day-1-here-opening-meego-development | 02:10 |
| microlith | because it's just a console window with no window manager at all | 02:10 |
| javispedro | acidjazz: videos from a xterm? | 02:10 |
| acidjazz | videos from a camera pointing at the damn phone | 02:10 |
| C-S-B-N900 | acidjazz: have you? | 02:10 |
| acidjazz | oh really | 02:10 |
| microlith | acidjazz: cause xterms are so awesome | 02:10 |
| acidjazz | ok | 02:10 |
| javispedro | tbh I didn't expect xorg. But I guess fb xorg was easy enough. | 02:11 |
| acidjazz | any news/rumors on what languages apps will be able to be written in? | 02:11 |
| javispedro | for meego? most. | 02:12 |
| javispedro | nokia will support qt c++ and wrt. dunno about intel. | 02:12 |
| acidjazz | python hopefully? | 02:12 |
| C-S-B-N900 | is meego even going to be any better than maemo? | 02:12 |
| acidjazz | wrt? | 02:12 |
| nidO | probably | 02:12 |
| acidjazz | who knows | 02:12 |
| C-S-B-N900 | rpm -really? | 02:12 |
| nidO | I could see that coming | 02:13 |
| nidO | 02:13 | |
| C-S-B-N900 | imo deb > rpm | 02:13 |
| microlith | C-S-B-N900: move off that topic please, it's been hounded on since the meego announcement | 02:13 |
| C-S-B-N900 | lol | 02:13 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i was unaware | 02:14 |
| nidO | imo who the hell cares, end of the day it makes precisely dick all difference in terms of the end product, and thats what matters | 02:14 |
| C-S-B-N900 | true. | 02:14 |
| anotnac | huh all the failed updates in app manager what needed a pr-1.2 lib have just returned and installed without complaining about missing libs | 02:14 |
| cehteh | hey there is a image for the n900 at least | 02:14 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr_, my N810 ac adapter pin has been bent for a year now | 02:14 |
| anotnac | they all vanished from devel repo | 02:14 |
| javispedro | acidjazz: wrt is the web runtime, a new-fangled webby2.0 development framework | 02:14 |
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| javispedro | http://www.forum.nokia.com/Technology_Topics/Web_Technologies/Web_Runtime/QuickStart.xhtml | 02:15 |
| microlith | mmm, cpu-eating javascript | 02:15 |
| nidO | I really wish they could have come up with a different acronym though | 02:15 |
| microlith | just what it should never be used for | 02:15 |
| nidO | routers always flash into my mind first when it's said | 02:15 |
| javispedro | yes, battery-eating javascript :) | 02:16 |
| javispedro | though to be honest I don't expect any wrt to be... cpu bound. | 02:16 |
| javispedro | I guess they want to bring in all those iphone "yet another browser app but that you can use to browse our site only" kind of apps. | 02:17 |
| microlith | yuck | 02:17 |
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| microlith | but I suppose people want them | 02:17 |
| javispedro | surprises me :) | 02:17 |
| javispedro | but yes, I suppose that too (apple advertises them after all) | 02:17 |
| nidO | ofc they do, whether theyre useful or not joe home user wants them, and nokia wants them if for no other reason than to pad out ovi store numbers to entice more users and devs | 02:17 |
| microlith | I blame apple | 02:17 |
| * microlith shakes a tiny fist | 02:18 | |
| nidO | besides some "its basically just a website" apps can be handy, I really wish wagamama would write a maemo equivilent of their iphone app :( | 02:19 |
| Lumpio- | I doubt they will... unless they really want to | 02:19 |
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| acidjazz | javispedro: is that like webos | 02:20 |
| Arif_ | you can hate Apple all you want, but their games are pretty popular :( | 02:20 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | nidO: i sure hope they make a wagama app, just for you. :) | 02:22 |
| nidO | awe, so good of you :> | 02:22 |
| microlith | :w | 02:22 |
| C-S-B-N900 | im sure you could interface with their site and put a front to it. | 02:22 |
| nidO | tell you what, as you're in the job market, heres a challenge for you | 02:22 |
| microlith | then the name would truly be appropriate :D | 02:22 |
| nidO | figure out the development house that coded their app | 02:22 |
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| microlith | also, this is not my vim window | 02:23 |
| nidO | get a job there | 02:23 |
| nidO | learn python | 02:23 |
| javispedro | acidjazz: I'd guess yes, that it is something like webos. | 02:23 |
| C-S-B-N900 | sorted. | 02:23 |
| nidO | code one for maemo | 02:23 |
| nidO | \o/ | 02:23 |
| javispedro | vid codec | 02:23 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i wonder if the site has an api that could be reversed. | 02:23 |
| javispedro | oops. | 02:23 |
| nidO | undoubtedly, id imagine the app probably just hooks into the site's backend, but without having the api docs trying to use it would be entirely guesswork | 02:24 |
| javispedro | the issue of "focus follows mouse" is that sometimes you accidentally hit the mouse hard enough that the pointer goes outside the window.... :( | 02:24 |
| C-S-B-N900 | wireshark, sniff it? | 02:25 |
| nidO | I was just thinking of doing that and borrowing an iphone, looks like the site itself just uses javascript callbacks to aspx scripting | 02:25 |
| nidO | replicating that would be easy, but if the site has any sanity it wont accept remote posts | 02:26 |
| C-S-B-N900 | you could present yourself as an iphone. | 02:27 |
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| nidO | I would imagine the app uses a separate api rather than just hook into the public site's aspx, will need an iphone + wireshark to see whats actually being sent | 02:27 |
| nidO | and more importantly, where | 02:27 |
| peetah | hi everyone | 02:27 |
| nidO | will probably find the whole thing's encrypted though | 02:28 |
| peetah | i'm a brand new N900 owner \o/ | 02:28 |
| nidO | congrats | 02:28 |
| tripzero | congrats and welcom | 02:28 |
| peetah | I've just installed dropbear from extras testing, but it seems to not be launched at boot | 02:28 |
| peetah | I have to start it manually via xterm | 02:28 |
| mgedmin | peetah, that sucks | 02:28 |
| mgedmin | I use openssh-server, it starts up automatically | 02:29 |
| peetah | someone would have a clue ? | 02:29 |
| nidO | use open-ssh and abandon dropbear | 02:29 |
| mgedmin | you probably need to write an upstart file in /etc/event.d | 02:29 |
| C-S-B-N900 | hey peetah check your fmtx and av jack works. | 02:29 |
| peetah | mgedmin: yep I tried it at first and then discovered that testing had dropbear | 02:29 |
| mgedmin | if you have your heart set on dropbear | 02:29 |
| mgedmin | otherwise switch to openssh | 02:29 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i use openssh, no prob here. | 02:29 |
| mgedmin | the N900 doesn't use a sys-v-style init system, despite the presence of /etc/init.d and /etc/rc?.d/ | 02:30 |
| mgedmin | it uses an old version of upstart | 02:30 |
| * tripzero google's 'dropbear' | 02:30 | |
| tripzero | oh, it's just a small openssh thingy | 02:30 |
| mgedmin | I managed to write an upstart file for avahi-daemon by using some other files as examples | 02:30 |
| peetah | mgedmin: ah ah ! that's why ! | 02:30 |
| mgedmin | once | 02:31 |
| tripzero | hmm will dropbear work with forwarding X on the n900? | 02:31 |
| peetah | so I just have to understand those /etc/event.d scripts and it should be ok | 02:32 |
| mgedmin | have fun, peetah ;_ | 02:32 |
| tripzero | or will that have the same issue as normal openssh has? (the lack of xauth or whatever) | 02:32 |
| peetah | tripzero: dunno, I've always used it on X-less servers | 02:32 |
| mgedmin | I *think* I managed once to have a maemo app run on my laptop through ssh X forwarding | 02:33 |
| mgedmin | it wasn't as useful as I'd thought | 02:33 |
| mgedmin | many factors conspire to make it difficult (lack of xauth, /etc/profile setting $DISPLAY to :0, apps using d-bus to launch themselves on the n900 directly) | 02:34 |
| javispedro | because maemo apps have a lot of roundtrips to the xserver, and they're slow over Xauth? | 02:34 |
| javispedro | er.. | 02:34 |
| mgedmin | and in the end there was something about key events | 02:34 |
| javispedro | s/Xauth/Wi-Fi | 02:34 |
| mgedmin | or maybe I'm dreaming | 02:34 |
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| mgedmin | and I didn't actually manage to reach the goalpost | 02:35 |
| tripzero | lame :( | 02:35 |
| javispedro | dropbear won't work with X11 forwarding, at least one side | 02:35 |
| javispedro | (don't remember which side :) ) | 02:35 |
| javispedro | but OpenSSH will. | 02:36 |
| C-S-B-N900 | x forwarding is awesome i can spy on people using my netbook byt forwarding cheese | 02:37 |
| javispedro | (of course it's not trivial to set up, since xauth is missing, and hildon apps are slow over networked X11 due to many roundtrips -- NX helps in this regard) | 02:37 |
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| sECuRE | hm, i installed the SDK and get it to starting xephyr when issuing maemo-sdk start gui, also the single applications seem to run (DISPLAY=:100 xwininfo -root -all shows the different children), but the xephyr window just contains the standard x background | 02:38 |
| peetah | C-S-B-N900: what about the fmtx and av jack ? | 02:38 |
| C-S-B-N900 | ive had 2 n900 first had non functioning fmtx and the second a loose av jack. | 02:39 |
| C-S-B-N900 | easier to check earlier on than realise and be without a phone. | 02:39 |
| peetah | ok thanks, i'll check that later | 02:39 |
| slackmagic | C-S-B-N900: I'm currently waiting on my RMA to send back a replacement because of a non-working fmtx ....it sucks! | 02:40 |
| peetah | there's and /etc/event.d/sshd script made for openssh that I could use for a dropbear version | 02:42 |
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| * peetah google event.d stuff | 02:42 | |
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| javispedro | may I ask: why dropbear? | 02:43 |
| peetah | because I like light :) | 02:43 |
| javispedro | I too like light: that's why I built my own OpenSSH and launch it from inetd :) | 02:44 |
| peetah | how did you reduce the footprint ?. | 02:44 |
| aep | btw. does dropbear have no key auth? | 02:45 |
| javispedro | built it with -Os, removed everything from the package save for the main binary and sftp-server, add UsePrivilegeSeparation no . | 02:45 |
| javispedro | (because the default causes a minimum of three processes for a single session) | 02:46 |
| peetah | javispedro: and do you have anything against dropbear or is it just that you're an openssh only user ? | 02:47 |
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| javispedro | peetah: dropbear has too many missing features for a device like the n900. | 02:48 |
| javispedro | client missing X11 forwarding, using their own key format, etc. | 02:48 |
| * Arif_ wonders how much he'll be hated if he starts a PR1.2 is out thread and edits it tomorrow with april 1st... | 02:49 | |
| javispedro | Arif_: you're evil, you made me look at the date | 02:49 |
| Arif_ | hehe =} | 02:49 |
| nidO | Arif_ | 02:49 |
| javispedro | oh god I wish I could've believed at least ONE joke this year. | 02:49 |
| nidO | it already is the 1st | 02:49 |
| C-S-B-N900 | has anyone ever migrated a system to lvm? | 02:49 |
| nidO | and theres already been like 5 threads exactly like that | 02:49 |
| javispedro | I really blame you Arif_ >:( | 02:49 |
| Arif_ | javispedro, I have a great april 1st joke actually | 02:49 |
| javispedro | ;) | 02:49 |
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| Arif_ | take a screenshot of the desktop | 02:50 |
| Arif_ | set it as a background picture | 02:50 |
| Arif_ | and disable the desktop! | 02:50 |
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| javispedro | is it a screenshot of a diablo desktop¿ | 02:50 |
| Arif_ | if your OS is diablo...sure | 02:50 |
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| GAN900 | whew | 02:56 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, congrats. :) | 02:56 |
| javispedro | heya GAN, congrats too :) | 02:56 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, usuk. :P | 02:56 |
| peetah | it works \o/ | 02:57 |
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| Jaffa | GAN900: I do? | 03:02 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, that's the word on the street, anyway | 03:03 |
| aep | any idea how i can make the n900 use the local domain server? | 03:03 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: Not a new word, TBH | 03:03 |
| aep | by local i mean in the network, rather then a random third party one. whatever it is using | 03:04 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, yeah, yeah | 03:04 |
| Arif_ | aw | 03:06 |
| Arif_ | someone beat me to the PR1.2 thread | 03:06 |
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| mgedmin | aep, domain server? as in DNS? | 03:07 |
| Arif_ | more and more apps get PR1.2 updates that we can't use though! | 03:07 |
| mgedmin | it uses whatever it was told to by DHCP | 03:07 |
| aep | mgedmin: yes | 03:07 |
| aep | it doesnt resolve any local adress | 03:07 |
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| mgedmin | only it doesn't add the local domain to names, so you cannot resolve 'foo', you have to type 'foo.lan' or whatever | 03:07 |
| aep | ping: bad address 'hel' | 03:07 |
| aep | etc | 03:07 |
| aep | uh | 03:07 |
| mgedmin | there's an open bug in bugs.maemo.org | 03:07 |
| aep | yeah .lan works /me facepalms | 03:08 |
| aep | thanks | 03:08 |
| mgedmin | this is especially annoying when the local domain is not .lan but something long like company.name | 03:08 |
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| peetah | Someone can tell me what is erased when the system is upgraded ? where do I have to keep my certificates and conf for openvpn to be safe after each firmware upgrade ? | 03:12 |
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| ds3 | the battery life playing music over a2dp is pretty decent | 03:15 |
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| nidO | gaahh | 03:23 |
| nidO | blubbels is doing my head in | 03:23 |
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| * ptl download LyX + texlive + abntex to his easy-debian | 03:46 | |
| ptl | s/download/downloading/ | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: GAN900: congrats from me as well, and I condole | 03:48 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, thanks. | 03:49 |
| javispedro | thanks DocScrutinizer, hope we can get something done. :) | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | usuk = you suck ?? | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: don't hesitate to ask if there's anything I can help | 03:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: wtf usuk ? | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wtf usuk | 03:53 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what usuk means... | 03:53 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, "you suck" | 03:53 |
| javispedro | ~usuk is you suck | 03:53 |
| infobot | javispedro: okay | 03:53 |
| javispedro | ~cookie | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 03:53 |
| * GAN900 facepalms | 03:53 | |
| * infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... wglwat... well, good luck with all that | 03:53 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 03:53 |
| infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer | 03:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems me entered a scizoid episode - I really miss my N900, but I'm hesitating to reassemble it, as then I won't be able to grab a loupe and check things on the real thing | 03:56 |
| javispedro | use a hammer to bring the n900 to pieces -- problem solvd. | 03:58 |
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| javispedro | ah... if only my own decisions were so easily taken :D | 03:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | It's a pity those new cmos flatbed scanners have no errr. focus deepth (? missing english word for schaerfentiefe). Otherwise those pics at that share folder of mine should suffice to keep me satisfied with the results of this enterprise | 03:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I seen your appreciating words on my contribution to 'N900 will not allow USB OTG!'. Thanks for that :-) Anyway I'm not a kernel hacker, and we'd need an expert to try some ideas to finally put usb-hostmode to a purpose | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~isuk | 04:04 |
| javispedro | heh | 04:05 |
| javispedro | I guess it would be something hard to do in a "You tell me what to change" basis. | 04:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chances for this to work are better than ever before | 04:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see, we know for sure (98%) we have a way to supply VBUS. And we are quite sure the protocol on D+/- is a mere sw-issue (means from a protocol POV it's a question which driver handles the USB in which way. You can have both host and device with very identical hw-config) | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | and last not least things 'just work' for openmoko FreeRunner | 04:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/FR+UMTS.jpg | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | meis no kernel hacker | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I'm sure this *could* work - even with comparatively low effort | 04:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and to me the only explanation why Nokia is so hesitating wrt supporting manually switched hostmode is they probably get in conflict with the USB overlords as that's not a modus operandi you'll get a placent for from those | 04:15 |
| javispedro | they indeed point fingers to the usb overlords... | 04:15 |
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| AFBN900 | gan900 ping | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Imean - N900 has a B-type receptacle. They could have used a AB-type instead, with absolutely ZERO impact on the operation of the device. How silly is *that*? | 04:17 |
| GAN900 | AFBN900, pong | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsck, s/placent/placet/ | 04:18 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: 2 cents cheaper? | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: nope | 04:19 |
| cehteh | are the soldering pads reachable or below the bottom? | 04:20 |
| cehteh | i mean the usb connector is quite likely one of the simpler things to replace on the pcb | 04:21 |
| cehteh | (before it breaks out and strips some copper layers ...) | 04:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd only wish Nokia would pay me a few bucks to buy my bagels and to justify request #2: empower me to ask the right people to do the right thing (or explain to me why they can't do it, and we'll find a workaround) | 04:22 |
| cehteh | well .. infrastructure mode for the wlan is way more interesting for me | 04:22 |
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| cehteh | hehe ... you know that this is a can of worms :) | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: (replace USB) absolutely feasible | 04:23 |
| cehteh | while you are at it .. ask: why the headphone and usb jacks are not on the opposite ends each, about a dozen modest crappines, the root filesystem partitioning crap | 04:23 |
| cehteh | why there is no IR tranceiver | 04:23 |
| cehteh | no biggier battery, | 04:23 |
| javispedro | stop saying "partitioning"! | 04:24 |
| cehteh | such a flimsy kickstand | 04:24 |
| * javispedro agrees with ir receiver part. it's my own berserk button. | 04:24 | |
| cehteh | the crome brezel shines flash in the objective | 04:24 |
| javispedro | why oh why no irda | 04:24 |
| cehteh | the keyboard is so small | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: please teach me about declinations of 'to partition' | 04:25 |
| cehteh | mhm .. i better stop but i am sure i find a lot things more | 04:25 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: it's not about grammar, but about the meaning. The onenand "partitions" are kernel config initrd and rootfs and I doubt it has anything to do with the actual complain | 04:26 |
| javispedro | which I'm pretty sure is the smallish onenand chip | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | crome brezel? NIIIICE :-P | 04:26 |
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| cehteh | ... | 04:26 |
| cehteh | javispedro: well i dont want to say the root filesystem is too small .. but how would you name it then | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw I fixed my crome brezel with a black EDDING marker 3 days ago | 04:27 |
| cehteh | /usr and perhaps /var should be mounted elsewhere | 04:27 |
| cehteh | (emmc) | 04:27 |
| javispedro | cehteh: "small root" puts it nicely | 04:27 |
| cehteh | nope small root is ok | 04:27 |
| cehteh | make it a readonly unionfs and you get a rocksolid boot mehtod | 04:28 |
| cehteh | its just crapped by bad setup | 04:28 |
| javispedro | it's a can of worms for ssu, we already talked about that | 04:28 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: i did that long time ago, but still shines back slightly, do you know matte eddings? | 04:28 |
| javispedro | of course it works nicely for flashing, and maybe if unionfs were to be implemented we should forget about ssu and do "ota flashing" much like the pre does. | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: you know my ~optification factoid? | 04:28 |
| javispedro | why I think I don't want to hear it :) | 04:29 |
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| cehteh | javispedro: look at eeepc they do that in a nice way | 04:29 |
| cehteh | hehe | 04:29 |
| javispedro | cehteh: argh! | 04:29 |
| javispedro | Additionally you cannot recover space from the first partition by uninstalling packages (and actually if you update a package (e.g. skype) you have two copies on your system, the original one on the first partition and the new version on the second one (which shadows the original one)). | 04:30 |
| javispedro | ... | 04:30 |
| cehteh | the linux distro there is crap .. but the root setup with unionfs is nice | 04:30 |
| javispedro | that is nice? | 04:30 |
| cehteh | on a 32gb device i really wont cry about loosing 200MB to much more comfortable and save booting | 04:31 |
| javispedro | exactly. | 04:31 |
| javispedro | why not put the entire rootfs into the 32gib nand then | 04:31 |
| cehteh | besides these dont need to be shipped on the root | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~optification | 04:31 |
| infobot | methinks optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs | 04:31 |
| javispedro | and we go to the emmc is slow point ,etc. etc. | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | as I wasn't able to stop | 04:31 |
| javispedro | partitioning! >:) | 04:31 |
| cehteh | if i would o the partitioning i'd put swap on the NAND and 128mb rootfs (well have to read the specs abouts the NAND and ubi drivers if swap is feasible there) | 04:32 |
| cehteh | both in wear and block layer | 04:32 |
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| javispedro | you'd mount /usr in the emmc, which breaks flashing... | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I'm fine with a rootfs on eMMC | 04:33 |
| cehteh | 128MB swap, using compcace compressed swap (in ram, and hopefully soon on blockdevice too) | 04:33 |
| cehteh | breaks *this* kind of flashing | 04:33 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: and in fact that's what Nokia will be forced to do if they plan to put MeeGo in N900, (and most probably what they're going to do for N900+1) | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | if ever you spot particular files to massively slow down system, you can move them to oneNAND, as you do nowadays with /home/opt | 04:34 |
| cehteh | but if done right you dont even need to reflash, you could have a on-device reset-to-factory-state | 04:34 |
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| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: that too, while some load might be distributed between nand and emmc | 04:35 |
| javispedro | if that interests you enough you could put that "recovery partition" in the emmc. | 04:35 |
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| cehteh | neither emmc nor nand are replaceable if they wear out or get slow because of fragmentation | 04:35 |
| cehteh | javispedro: yes for example | 04:35 |
| cehteh | there are many ways to do it better | 04:36 |
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| * javispedro thinks optification is "good enough". it just needs a little bigger rootfs, more automation, and maybe more intelligence from the optifier. | 04:37 | |
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| Scorp2us | does anyone know if a china edition N900 is usable in the US? | 04:37 |
| cehteh | well i noticed that the emmc gets slower after first use but later sustains the not so good speed | 04:37 |
| microlith | no chinese edition | 04:37 |
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| cehteh | javispedro: no optifier at all would be the goal | 04:37 |
| microlith | cehteh: too bad eMMC prevents garbage collection :/ | 04:37 |
| Scorp2us | i'm looking on ebay, there's a 'china' n900, but is in florida | 04:37 |
| microlith | there is no chinese model | 04:38 |
| cehteh | thatsv not a n900 | 04:38 |
| microlith | there are fake ones | 04:38 |
| cehteh | fake device | 04:38 |
| Scorp2us | ooh. how is it fake? | 04:38 |
| cehteh | there is only one hardware which only differs in keyboard mat | 04:38 |
| cehteh | and software images | 04:38 |
| cehteh | Scorp2us: link? | 04:39 |
| Scorp2us | i am playing with the idea of getting into Nokia phone development | 04:39 |
| Scorp2us | http://cgi.ebay.com/Nokia-N900-quad-band-unlocked-Nice-China_W0QQitemZ290419660372QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCell_Phones?hash=item439e5c5654 | 04:39 |
| cehteh | there are about half a dozen fakes | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | optification is a mental hickup. Mount /usr from a eMMC partition, as it's been done in unix since aeons | 04:39 |
| Scorp2us | so I am looking for something that I can get into without a huge investment | 04:39 |
| microlith | Scorp2us: yeah that's a fake | 04:39 |
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| cehteh | Scorp2us: all run some closed OS, not compatible with maemo | 04:39 |
| cehteh | bad display | 04:40 |
| cehteh | well most of then have dual-sim | 04:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | do same for /opt and /var and done you are | 04:40 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: and move all the firmware packages to / hierarchy out of /usr. | 04:40 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: i tried to move /usr/share earlier and failed | 04:41 |
| microlith | wow | 04:41 |
| microlith | it even comes with a fake Louis Vutton carrying case | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | if they are needed for booting a barebones system, then accordin to FHS they never have to go to /usr | 04:41 |
| Scorp2us | so is there a sofware emulator, or do I need a phone? | 04:41 |
| javispedro | but if you make all firmware packages install to / instead of / & /usr, and all "extra" packages install to mounted on ext3 /usr | 04:41 |
| javispedro | doesn't it resemble the current situation? | 04:41 |
| microlith | Scorp2us: the dev environment will let you work with the maemo environment on x86 | 04:42 |
| javispedro | firmware packages install to / & /usr, extra packages install to mounted on ext3 /opt | 04:42 |
| Scorp2us | oh, awesome | 04:42 |
| microlith | it's not emulated though | 04:42 |
| cehteh | the armel target is emulated | 04:42 |
| javispedro | Scorp2us: "Nokia" phone development -- the N900 may not be the best target that. | 04:42 |
| cehteh | but you cant launch all apps | 04:42 |
| Scorp2us | so, what should I target? | 04:43 |
| cehteh | the device hardware is not emulated | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | not etaxtly, javispedro - the current situation is a special hack called optification | 04:43 |
| javispedro | Scorp2us: a $40 S40 device. They're the most common "Nokia phone" by far. | 04:43 |
| Scorp2us | so how do I test my apps? | 04:43 |
| cehteh | on the device preferably | 04:44 |
| cehteh | if they run standalone enough and dont depend on special hardware (gps, accelerometer, camera, ...) they may work on the sdk | 04:44 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: where does the hack part come from? | 04:44 |
| cehteh | but nothing substitutes for real testing on the device | 04:45 |
| javispedro | the forest of symlinks? the fact that the prefix of each package has to be changed and debian doesn't provide an automated way of doing it? | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: with /opt, /usr, and /var (and /tmp) mounted early in bootup from eMMC you don't need any friggin optifier | 04:45 |
| Scorp2us | well I am looking to weild my Qt skills, I thought I need maemo or Symbian^3 or that meelo or whatever its called? | 04:45 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: just because you're installing to /usr instead of /opt? this is what I hate about the FHS -- everything is hardcoded. but yes, you have a point. | 04:45 |
| Scorp2us | he has a mount point :-) | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 04:46 |
| javispedro | Scorp2us: ah well, if you're targeting Qt then yes maybe the N900 is the best device. | 04:46 |
| Scorp2us | ok cool. | 04:47 |
| Scorp2us | is there anythign to simulate the special hardware? (camera, gps, etc.) | 04:48 |
| javispedro | not really. you have to edit your app to simulate the hardware | 04:48 |
| odin_ | congrats on those who got elected! | 04:48 |
| javispedro | for example, to simulate the camera, instead of requesting images from the real camera you can request them from a "test" image source | 04:48 |
| javispedro | but there's no automated way to do this that I know of. You have to do it manually. | 04:49 |
| javispedro | ta odin_ | 04:49 |
| Scorp2us | right, i was hoping there was a #define or something that you could set that would pull images from a folder, or read from a datadile for GPS or accel | 04:49 |
| javispedro | you'll see this "define" in some samples | 04:49 |
| javispedro | but as you will see they code it themselves | 04:50 |
| javispedro | (I am thinking in the gstreamer camera sample, for example, which has #ifdef __arm__ use real camera #else use fake camera #endif | 04:50 |
| javispedro | ) | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 04:51 |
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| odin_ | has anyone experience with installing 3+ copies of scratchbox, for each PR release ? what are the releases anyhow ? 1.0 1.1.1 and 1.2 ? | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | another topic to start a long thread on | 04:52 |
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| javispedro | Scorp2us: this is the camera example: https://vcs.maemo.org/svn/maemoexamples/trunk/maemo-examples/example_camera.c see the ifdef __arm__ for an idea on how they simulate the camera. | 04:52 |
| Scorp2us | thanks | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1.0 1.1 1.1.1 1.2 -- 1.2 breaks API | 04:53 |
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| javispedro | when that last happened, they called it a day and just made a new release ;) | 04:53 |
| javispedro | (diablo vs chinook) | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | nowadays they mix all into devel and testing, to later sort it into extras and extras-1.2 | 04:54 |
| odin_ | yes this is why I want to install more than one now, so there are 4 releases | 04:54 |
| javispedro | i think they should've really made a new codename for it | 04:55 |
| javispedro | but that's me being an idiot again :) i guess "fremantle-1.2" is good enough. | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: nope, it isn't | 04:56 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: the way the autobuilder works they could just as easily make "build for fremantle" mean "build for all fremantle releases" | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | we need fremantle-testing-1.2 and *devel-1.2 as well | 04:56 |
| javispedro | agreed on that, isn't that the plan? O.o | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously not as ""there wasn't enogh time"" | 04:57 |
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| javispedro | :( | 04:57 |
| javispedro | too bad -- I guess someone expected PR1.2 to be released "yesterday" and everyone to update the next day, but that clearly never materialized... | 04:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the 2nd point is the real brainfuck in that concept | 04:59 |
| javispedro | true | 04:59 |
| javispedro | still, from the people who don't update, the amount of people who want update apps is a minority. | 05:00 |
| javispedro | *updated apps | 05:00 |
| * javispedro is from the conservative party: he didn't update to PR1.1 for a month. | 05:00 | |
| DocScrutinizer | it means you not only can't modify the OS kernel that ships with milestone, it also means you even can't load a different OS (like e.g mer on maemo devices would do) - the bootloader refuses to load any kernel that's not signed by motorola | 05:01 |
| derf | I still haven't updated to 1.1. | 05:01 |
| derf | It refuses to do it online, and I don't have Windows. | 05:02 |
| javispedro | and you don't install propietary software on your GNU desktop, and 0xFFFF doesn't work with the N900? :D | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, history ooops | 05:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what I meant was my previous post "it's nuts to host two basically disjunct OS in the same repository" | 05:03 |
| derf | I'll just pretend whatever you just said made sense. | 05:03 |
| javispedro | derf: I was just pondering why you don't install flasher into your desktop? | 05:04 |
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| derf | Because I'd rather not reflash and go through the bother of setting things up the way I like them again? | 05:04 |
| javispedro | in fact that's what made me not upgrade for a month, so won't say a thing. | 05:05 |
| derf | I have rsync backups set up so that I can restore everything from a reflash in a few minutes... but that doesn't help when it would restore things to the 1.0 state. | 05:05 |
| javispedro | I had a huge amount of patches to tinymail, busybox, sdl, and hildon-desktop. no rsync helps to forward port them to the 1.1 releases :) | 05:06 |
| Pavel | DocScrutinizer: Debian had to do it a few times, when they were upgrading glibc versions, IIRC. | 05:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | derf: I deeply agree and feel with you. Curse those redond fanboy idiots that claim it's 'as easy as' reinstalling (aka flashing) the OS once a month | 05:07 |
| derf | I mean, it's not _that_ onerous, but I've had better things to do. | 05:08 |
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| * DocScrutinizer mumbles swearwords about KDE developers not being any jota better, as KDE4 is total crap and KDE3 can't be sanely migrated to 4, though not supported anymore | 05:11 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | at least they were sensible enough to call it KDE4, not a minor upgrade to KDE3 | 05:12 |
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| johnx | allo all | 05:13 |
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| Sho_ | DocScrutinizer: It was a significant rewrite that also broke API and ABI compatibility, so it couldn't be 3.x | 05:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and we could avoid the whole autobuilder-1.2 problem if all app devels renamed new versions of their apps built against 1.2 dependencies. So users were free to choose if they want the 1.1.1 compliant version, or the new 1.2 one | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sho_: my words, my thinking | 05:14 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: 1.3.4-0maemo1fremantle1.1??? | 05:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | but actually incompatible version of same project/app (caused by system API/ABI changes) must not go to the same repo, no matter if it's extras, testing, or devel | 05:16 |
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| javispedro | yeah. fortunately, this will solve itself when 1.2 is released and they forget about pre 1.2 versions | 05:16 |
| javispedro | then trigger a rebuild of all -devel packages and hide everything under the carpet | 05:16 |
| * johnx downloads meego chroot | 05:17 | |
| DocScrutinizer | not everybody will upgrade to 1.2, for obscure reasons, Those poor souls are left behind, as they stay in this uncomfortable state we usual users suffer for a few weeks now | 05:18 |
| javispedro | yeah well after leaving hundreds of n810 users behind I'm pretty sure their consciences will be clean. | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a royal brainfuck | 05:18 |
| javispedro | not to mention the "dozens" of 770 users ;) | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | especially since devel and testing are basically useless to the majority of N900-owner now | 05:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for the debatable benefit of a few devels knowing their packages build on autobuilder1.2 - heyhey surprise, they did in scratchbox before | 05:21 |
| javispedro | if you updated your sbox to 1.2, thus ensuring you wouldn't be able to build anything GUI related for your own n900 | 05:21 |
| javispedro | well, gnite. | 05:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | heh, so instead of updating my own scatchbox to 1.2 and breaking the resulting pkg, I'm supposed to upload to autobuilder and break the pkg for everybody? that's quite sensible | 05:24 |
| johnx | heh. that's a great "Which would be worse?" question | 05:25 |
| cehteh | did you heared, meego will abadon rpn and its redhat origins and switch over to a gentoo based system | 05:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, it's as easy as cloning the whole build.maemo.org to build-12.maemo-org | 05:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: hahaha, we all know about today's date | 05:27 |
| johnx | cehteh, I keep forgetting that it's already tomorrow in some parts of the world :) | 05:27 |
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| cehteh | :) | 05:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | imagine it turns out to be a giant bug in 1.2 and everybody is recommended to downgrade to 1.1.1. Epic fail as we ruined the 1.1.1 testing and devel repositories | 05:33 |
| mza-_ | the meego mirror down already? | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably smoking from overload | 05:33 |
| johnx | mza-_, it's really slow to respond, but once it does it seem to be pulling 300KB/s from it | 05:34 |
| mza-_ | wow, 57k/s | 05:34 |
| mza-_ | 140 now! T1 speeds! | 05:34 |
| johnx | it's the future! | 05:34 |
| mza-_ | it's the future, NOW | 05:34 |
| johnx | which mirror did you get pointed at? I had mirror1.m2.org | 05:35 |
| mza-_ | yep | 05:35 |
| mza-_ | that's the one everyone gets i think | 05:35 |
| mza-_ | anyone tried it on the N900 yet? | 05:35 |
| mza-_ | im downloading it for my EEE | 05:35 |
| johnx | I don't feel like flashing or reinstalling anything, so I'll just chroot on my N900 | 05:36 |
| johnx | you know it boots up to a command line, right? | 05:36 |
| mza-_ | no shit?! | 05:36 |
| mza-_ | this should be fun then | 05:36 |
| mza-_ | been a long time:-D | 05:36 |
| mza-_ | are there directions on getting into the UI? | 05:36 |
| johnx | yeah: wait | 05:36 |
| johnx | ...for the next release | 05:37 |
| mza-_ | what's the point? just for developement | 05:37 |
| mza-_ | and how the hell can you devel without a UI? | 05:37 |
| johnx | compile app, run app | 05:37 |
| * johnx shrugs | 05:37 | |
| johnx | theoretically it has the libs you need | 05:37 |
| mza-_ | X -configure and pray! | 05:38 |
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| mza-_ | ill let this download | 05:39 |
| mza-_ | this should be good | 05:39 |
| mza-_ | see ya guys:) | 05:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | somebody on #meego said 'now let's stat themadness' OWTTE. I'm quite sure he was right | 05:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | start the madness | 05:43 |
| * johnx opens a beer | 05:43 | |
| johnx | I'll work on that | 05:43 |
| * DocScrutinizer kicks his kbd | 05:43 | |
| johnx | yeah. looks like you knocked the vowels right off of it and the 'r' key as well | 05:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, I just managed to shake it so the dirt (sorry missing English word for 'Kruemel') are blocking the laptop kbd keycaps from being pressed down | 05:48 |
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| cehteh | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rebnrnGLKh0 .. dont mess with that bunny! | 05:52 |
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| anotnac | first casualty http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=590718&postcount=47 who was it who offered to help noobs earlier, heres paypascket 1 | 05:54 |
| anotnac | lol | 05:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | muhaha. It's been me who considered to offer a meego-recovery service for as lttle as 50 bucks/casuality | 05:58 |
| johnx | per casualty caused? :> | 05:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | gnhnhnhn | 05:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | pun intened ;-P | 05:59 |
| anotnac | you seen rx-99 leak 64gb onboard memory what the f | 05:59 |
| anotnac | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=590717#post590717 | 05:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wtf - we know he date | 06:00 |
| cehteh | anyone with too much time may prepare a meego chroot image to put on the n900 | 06:00 |
| cehteh | that might be useful | 06:01 |
| johnx | you mean like a .tar.gz you can unpack like the one here: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/n900/images/ ? | 06:01 |
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| cehteh | yes seen that but not investigated .. and i meant with bit script glue and infrastructure to pull it up under maemo5, i dont have a spare device which i can burn | 06:02 |
| cehteh | as i understand this images are exclusive to be installed on the device or? | 06:03 |
| anotnac | the leak source points to nokia but they moved it from site it seems | 06:03 |
| cehteh | look at todays date :P | 06:03 |
| anotnac | lol | 06:04 |
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| johnx | cehteh, I'd bet it should take very little work to be able to chroot into the image provided and run whatever is included without too much pain | 06:04 |
| cehteh | prolly not too much, someone just can do that | 06:05 |
| anotnac | dam thats 3x already i've fell for april fools jokes already | 06:05 |
| johnx | and I'd be doing exactly that right now except I think my copy of the .tar.gz is corrupt | 06:05 |
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| * DocScrutinizer does an 'ifdown eth0 && sleep 18h 55m && echo "aapril 1st over" && ifup eth0' | 06:08 | |
| johnx | make sure you do it at a local console or screen. Made that mistake enough times O_o; | 06:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 06:10 |
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| johnx | In fact, at(1) might just be safer | 06:12 |
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| luke-jr_ | SWEET | 06:12 |
| luke-jr_ | anyone poked the BME code yet? | 06:12 |
| johnx | in what sense? | 06:12 |
| luke-jr_ | shrug | 06:13 |
| luke-jr_ | change low battery behaviour or something | 06:13 |
| johnx | errr, which BME code? | 06:13 |
| luke-jr_ | I'll probably mess w/ it tomorrow | 06:13 |
| luke-jr_ | the one Nokia just released? | 06:13 |
| * luke-jr_ ponders if it's N8x0 or just N900 | 06:13 | |
| johnx | did they? link? | 06:13 |
| ShadowJK | Did they release bme code? | 06:14 |
| luke-jr_ | yeah, hold on | 06:14 |
| * johnx smells an april fools joke ... | 06:14 | |
| rm_you | lol johnx | 06:14 |
| johnx | hey rm_you | 06:14 |
| luke-jr_ | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/testing/bme/ | 06:14 |
| johnx | good try | 06:15 |
| anotnac | got me again 4x now tonight | 06:15 |
| luke-jr_ | ? | 06:15 |
| ShadowJK | that gives me 404 | 06:16 |
| luke-jr_ | oh crap | 06:16 |
| anotnac | i need to grow some balls and stop being so nieve | 06:16 |
| luke-jr_ | they took it down? :( | 06:16 |
| johnx | DocScrutinizer, yeah, think I might join you in that sentiment... | 06:16 |
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| * luke-jr_ wonders if he'd get in trouble for uploading it somewhere | 06:16 | |
| johnx | luke-jr_, prove you're even the real luke-jr | 06:16 |
| luke-jr_ | ... | 06:16 |
| johnx | failed the test :P | 06:16 |
| luke-jr_ | it's March 31 here n00b | 06:17 |
| Ken-Young | What did that version of the BME code do? | 06:17 |
| luke-jr_ | Ken-Young: not sure yet | 06:17 |
| luke-jr_ | don't see any clear identification which model it's for | 06:17 |
| * ShadowJK would probably not see any other sensible battery low behaviour to change it to | 06:17 | |
| johnx | luke-jr_, well then you're early and not impersonating luke-jr very well | 06:17 |
| luke-jr_ | johnx: f u | 06:17 |
| johnx | f u 2 | 06:18 |
| luke-jr_ | no u | 06:18 |
| luke-jr_ | oh well, too tired to get anywhere with this tonight | 06:18 |
| luke-jr_ | ttyl | 06:18 |
| ShadowJK | Anyway, we don't really /need/ bme on n900 as the docs for the key chips involved are available free of charge to anyone | 06:19 |
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| johnx | anyways, catch you guys again after 4/1 | 06:56 |
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| mza-_ | www.fscker.com/meego-preview-netbook-core-20100330-001.usbimg | 07:36 |
| mza-_ | should be a bit faster | 07:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: screen black :-((( | 07:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | hope it's the FPC connector, a nasty little bastard | 07:39 |
| ShadowJK | :( | 07:39 |
| lindqvust | hey guys! anyone know here how to refresh the current theme via xterm? I changed themes, but some stuff like the text color from the old theme remains. | 07:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | everything else seems to work. well first shot. ts-clicks, vib, audio, indicator LED etc etc | 07:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | n8 | 07:40 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, interesting charge behaviour, gas gauge and gazoo sees total current in/out of battery, | 07:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | wake whe apr.1 is over - no sense for that | 07:41 |
| ShadowJK | but charger sees curren coming from itself only | 07:41 |
| * Ikarus double packages some none GUI stuff for Meego | 07:41 | |
| ShadowJK | yet it seems to regulate pretty damn close to 500mA into battery, comepnsating for drain from system | 07:41 |
| ShadowJK | I'm confused too why it's only charging at 500mA :) | 07:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, uhuh | 07:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, to pissed and tired right now | 07:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | reassembled >1h | 07:43 |
| ShadowJK | ouch | 07:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | cya l8r | 07:43 |
| Ikarus | hmz | 07:43 |
| Ikarus | and gah, I forgot | 07:43 |
| Ikarus | my laptop doesn't have the latest Maemo SDK | 07:43 |
| Ikarus | and the pipe here is just SLOW | 07:43 |
| Ikarus | ah well, will have to wait until the evening | 07:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: well, to put that straight, it was >>1h and 3/4 of the time was for using a loupe and writing down component names printed in 0.2PT (5 lines a mm) | 07:51 |
| ShadowJK | epic | 07:52 |
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| cehteh | microscope-cam ftw :) | 07:53 |
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| ShadowJK | this thing is no more accurate than whatever bme is currently using. it's just "broken" in different ways | 08:50 |
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| cehteh | oh its perfect finding out that the battery is empty :P | 08:56 |
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| ShadowJK | lol | 08:57 |
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| crashanddie | I think once I'm settled down, I'll get a pet rat | 09:09 |
| crashanddie | I'll give it anthrax, the plague, aids, h1n1, everything | 09:10 |
| crashanddie | that way I'll be able to go about and yell: "FEAR MY RAT, MHUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA" | 09:10 |
| crashanddie | And truly be godlike. | 09:11 |
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| TheOne | hi | 09:58 |
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| TheOne | does anyone use the n900 with a cisco vpn? | 09:58 |
| TheOne | i want to use my n900 with my uni network - they use cisco vpn, for my laptop i can use cisco anyconnect client (linux) | 09:59 |
| Lynoure | TheOne: vpnc works decently as well, I vaguely remember seeing that for maemo, but not sure | 10:00 |
| cehteh | i use openvpn but seen that there are apps for cisco vpn in some repo | 10:00 |
| cehteh | yes vpnc | 10:00 |
| TheOne | Lynoure: and it works for maemo5? | 10:00 |
| cehteh | TheOne: install it and find out | 10:00 |
| Lynoure | TheOne: like I said "vaguely remember seeing that, not sure" | 10:00 |
| TheOne | i found that only for os2008 | 10:01 |
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| Lynoure | At worst it won't work. It's not like it will fry your device. | 10:01 |
| cehteh | 0.5.9-1m5 0 | 10:01 |
| cehteh | 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Packages | 10:01 |
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| einval | TheOne: if the uni uses cisco anyconnect exclusevly (not the old cisco ipsec vpn client), vpnc will not work | 10:04 |
| TheOne | they recommend the new anyconnect, but the old client works too | 10:05 |
| einval | k | 10:05 |
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| TheOne | i found this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=375994 | 10:06 |
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| TheOne | i recognize the warning with extra-devel repo, but i will give it a try | 10:08 |
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| einval | btw, i recently joined here - got my n900 on Saturday and i love it | 10:09 |
| einval | after having a n97 for 2 days | 10:09 |
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| rmrfchik | o_O just got mail from nokia (translating from russian): "you have been chosen as beta tester for new N900 firmware, Maemo5." | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 10:10 |
| rmrfchik | seems like it next after pr1.2 | 10:10 |
| RST38h | <yawn> | 10:12 |
| RST38h | g'moorning tekojo, Stskees | 10:12 |
| tekojo | morning RST38h! | 10:12 |
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| RST38h | rmrfchik: April 1st? =) | 10:14 |
| mece | I fuckin hate this day. | 10:15 |
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| mece | It's not like people are to be trusted on other days, but this one is just ridiculous | 10:15 |
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| RST38h | mece: What? Were offered PR1.2 firmware at the tmo? =) | 10:16 |
| mece | no. just in general. | 10:16 |
| mece | well yeah, but I assumed it was a joke. | 10:17 |
| RST38h | The real joke would be to actually release it on April 1st... | 10:17 |
| cehteh | they can still do! | 10:18 |
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| cehteh | just after the joke | 10:18 |
| mece | yeah | 10:18 |
| mece | hehehe | 10:18 |
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| rmrfchik | RST38h: yeah, kind of ;) | 10:32 |
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| microlith | xkcd is pure win today | 10:43 |
| dregin | I enjoyed the sysadmin one | 10:45 |
| sejo | how do I import a certificate (self signed) onto the n900 | 10:45 |
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| dregin | http://www.andreasolsson.se/wp-content/uploads/devotion_to_duty.png | 10:46 |
| mece | whoa... did that cli thing come today? | 10:48 |
| dregin | ? | 10:48 |
| mece | http://xkcd.org/ | 10:49 |
| mece | haven't seen it before. | 10:49 |
| mece | it's quite nice. | 10:49 |
| twouters | yes | 10:49 |
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| MiXu- | Is there a built in data counter for how much PSD I've used? | 10:56 |
| MiXu- | in N900 | 10:56 |
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| nidO | http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/pad-dock/index.html?utm_campaign=01apr10east&utm_source=01apr10east&utm_medium=email&utm_source=bv3months&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=bv3months | 10:59 |
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| dregin | mece: ah yeah, looks cool. Never saw it before this, but I'm not a regular to the site. | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | MiXu-: there's a personal dataplan monitor | 11:00 |
| nidO | that change to xkcd has come within the past day or two yeah | 11:01 |
| Kurppa_ | MiXu-: and there will be integrated counter in PR1.2. | 11:03 |
| cos^ | if any maemo.org webmaster is here, clicking on "Promote package" results on empty page with just header and "maemo.org > packages" | 11:03 |
| nidO | that'll be X-Fade you need | 11:04 |
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| tybollt | YES | 11:06 |
| tybollt | finally PR1.2 | 11:06 |
| tybollt | downloading now | 11:06 |
| tybollt | \o/ | 11:06 |
| * jaska looks at the date | 11:06 | |
| nidO | gee that joke hasnt been cracked 15 times already :< | 11:06 |
| Unksi | :D | 11:06 |
| tybollt | nidO: =) | 11:06 |
| sulx | 1.2 is old news...downloading 2.0 now | 11:07 |
| cehteh | nah meego1.0 :) | 11:07 |
| Kurppa_ | 1.2 won't be released for months. | 11:07 |
| tybollt | mongoo | 11:07 |
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| Kurppa_ | MeeGo is actually already available for N900 from http://meego.com/downloads, but there is no UI yet :-) | 11:08 |
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| Kurppa_ | Mongo crush! | 11:08 |
| Jaffa | Pfft. I like http://repo.meego.com/14796519ed32bf81d89f16211a1ca1b895eec7cb/armel/harmattan/ <-- the image in there is much more user friendly than the trunk one. | 11:08 |
| Jaffa | But Nokia didn't want to publish the URL | 11:09 |
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| mece | hmm youtube april fools is sorta...lame. | 11:10 |
| nidO | the sad thing is, the april fools joke is only the text mode, the horrific new site design is actually real | 11:12 |
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| Jaffa | The text mode's quite cool. | 11:13 |
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| mece | nidO, yeah, I was hoping the design was the joke... | 11:19 |
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| Shapeshifter | has someone got any experience if omweather in its largest incarnation - without automatic updating - will drain any battery? | 11:28 |
| Shapeshifter | I mean, it shouldn't do _anything_ when not updating. | 11:28 |
| cehteh | Shapeshifter: not much, it may redraw the widget on the desktop but otherwise i have no problems with it, even with 4hourly updates on | 11:29 |
| ccooke | morning, all | 11:29 |
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| Shapeshifter | cehteh: cool, thanks | 11:29 |
| cehteh | well it has some other bugs, but you can life with them | 11:29 |
| Shapeshifter | cehteh: I'm not really someone who cares about the weather but I have a free desktop and it looks nice ;) | 11:30 |
| cehteh | i didnt found out how to reliably delete stations, every time i try i get a empty entry more :) | 11:30 |
| Shapeshifter | cehteh: mh. there's no way of just updating the widget without going into its menu? | 11:31 |
| cehteh | well and its preferences is dead slow | 11:31 |
| cehteh | dunno .. | 11:31 |
| Shapeshifter | it also slows down scrolling desktops | 11:31 |
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| cehteh | i think there are some serious bad programming practices involved .. | 11:32 |
| cehteh | ah seems that deleting stations works finally i didnt tried since last update | 11:32 |
| cehteh | mhm or not | 11:33 |
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| Shapeshifter | ;) | 11:33 |
| cehteh | uhm yes removed it from desktop and scrolling becomes way faster | 11:33 |
| Shapeshifter | meh. while I'm not really bothered, I would love to have smoother animations on the n900. and some people come with this overy shitty argument that the iphone "sacrifices multitasking for better visual performance" | 11:33 |
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| cehteh | how about this other weather widget? | 11:34 |
| Shapeshifter | but it's the same with mac os vs. linux scrolling in any app, really. xorg just somehow fails. | 11:34 |
| cehteh | well its just programmign practice .. i dont see any reason why scrolling should be slower | 11:34 |
| cehteh | nah its not xorg .. its bad libs | 11:35 |
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| Treibholz | look at google-chrome, it scrolls on my netbook so fscking fast and smooth... | 11:35 |
| cehteh | or ask raster ... | 11:36 |
| cehteh | moin Treibholz btw | 11:36 |
| Treibholz | and no: it's not webkit, arora and uzbl are as slow as firefox. | 11:36 |
| Treibholz | cehteh: hi! :-) | 11:36 |
| Treibholz | has anyone tried changing ~/MyDocs to a usefull filesystem? | 11:37 |
| cehteh | yes | 11:38 |
| cehteh | all ext3 here | 11:38 |
| flux | cehteh, has it caused any collateral damage? camera and the rest works? | 11:38 |
| cehteh | tried ext4 with special kernel was twice as fast, but then i got a bad kernel update :P | 11:38 |
| cehteh | camera problem is solve, permission problem | 11:38 |
| Shapeshifter | Treibholz: huh. what WM are you using? | 11:39 |
| Treibholz | I'm not sure yet if I really want that for data exchange reasons. | 11:39 |
| cehteh | the mount scripts are crap had to do stuff manually and disable nokiaisms | 11:39 |
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| Treibholz | Shapeshifter: ion3. | 11:39 |
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| Shapeshifter | D: | 11:39 |
| Treibholz | Shapeshifter: not on Maemo :-) | 11:39 |
| Shapeshifter | sure. | 11:40 |
| Treibholz | .oO( not yet... ) | 11:40 |
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| cehteh | Treibholz: getting usb PAN networking work (i dont have that really) and then run a samba if you need windows connectivity might be the better way | 11:40 |
| cehteh | as well i look forward for pr1.2 and then do some more surgery and part ways from nokia | 11:41 |
| cehteh | custom kernel, ext4 and so on | 11:41 |
| Treibholz | cehteh: or using a microSD as some kind of buffer. | 11:41 |
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| cehteh | i have ext3 on both uSD and buildin emmc | 11:42 |
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| cehteh | now when you remove the backcover it unmounts the uSD but cant remount it :P .. well still didnt dropped the daemon which watches the back cover | 11:42 |
| Shapeshifter | cehteh: nah I think on mac os and the iphone, apple does some magic to reduce this kind of "flashing text" effect when you scroll. basically, even with very high framerates you get sort of a flashing phenomenon when scrolling text. and this is completely absent on a mac. | 11:43 |
| Shapeshifter | not sure where this stuff would need to happen. | 11:43 |
| cehteh | http://public.pipapo.org/ also sometimes mouning my server directly to the DCIM folder :P | 11:43 |
| cehteh | Shapeshifter: i bet it is absent in enlightenment too :) | 11:44 |
| cehteh | didnt tried it yet | 11:44 |
| Shapeshifter | I'm guessing the main reason is that when they scroll, text is always scrolled only one pixel per frame | 11:44 |
| cehteh | yes ... thats all about good programming and knowledge | 11:45 |
| cehteh | scroll at right rates | 11:45 |
| cehteh | maybe add motion-blur like effects (if your hardware can do that) | 11:46 |
| Shapeshifter | but does every app need to handle this themselves? or widget toolkit respectively? | 11:46 |
| cehteh | well kinetic scrolling must be dynamic of course | 11:46 |
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| cehteh | but you have to properly sync and not jitter | 11:46 |
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| Shapeshifter | well jitter/tearing are also problems on maemo and linux in general | 11:47 |
| cehteh | might need some toolkit support, but i think X shouldnt be a roadblock | 11:47 |
| cehteh | most importantly its the programmers mindset :) | 11:47 |
| Shapeshifter | which it seems are also completely absent on a mac. | 11:47 |
| Shapeshifter | well mac's mostly suck and I'm not sure how good the programmers are. | 11:48 |
| cehteh | n900/clutter isnt very good at this agreed | 11:48 |
| Shapeshifter | but they're *smooth* and i doubt it has anything to do with all the "we sacrifice smoothness for more features/multitasking" nonsense people are spouting as justification | 11:48 |
| Treibholz | My wife just ordered a Mac, and because she wants 4GB RAM, it has to be sent to china first... | 11:48 |
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| cehteh | note that on mac the hardware capabilities are well defined | 11:50 |
| Shapeshifter | Treibholz: are you using some smooth scrolling option in chrome? because here on my desktop, using chromium, scrolling isn't smooth at all. | 11:50 |
| Treibholz | Shapeshifter: no. | 11:51 |
| Shapeshifter | cehteh: but they aren't very strong | 11:51 |
| cehteh | and the graphics and such effect (smooth scrolling) is hardware accelerated | 11:51 |
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| cehteh | its not about they need to be very good, just when you 'know' what you have you can engage the problem in another way as on generic hardware | 11:51 |
| Shapeshifter | Treibholz: but if you go to a longer page, say http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein , is it still smooth when scrolling? | 11:52 |
| Shapeshifter | I get very clear quantums when scrolling | 11:52 |
| cehteh | for a linux app no one wants to code 10 diffent ways to handle something best so just the most generic way is choosen | 11:52 |
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| Treibholz | Shapeshifter: can't test it right now, but it was fast on spiegel.de, which is full of flash | 11:53 |
| cehteh | and i intentionally have smooth scrolling turned off in firefix | 11:53 |
| cehteh | fast scrolling is more important than smooth scrolling for me | 11:53 |
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| Shapeshifter | cehteh: well, clearly we should have both | 11:54 |
| cehteh | fast scrolling can never be smooth | 11:55 |
| Shapeshifter | cehteh: sure it can. it is on macs. | 11:55 |
| Treibholz | cehteh: yes it can! | 11:55 |
| cehteh | really fast scrolling | 11:55 |
| Shapeshifter | cehteh: well then it's not scrolling anymore but jumping | 11:56 |
| cehteh | when you scroll more than 1 line per frame for example | 11:56 |
| Shapeshifter | cehteh: but you got 60fps on a normal TFT. | 11:56 |
| cehteh | yes | 11:56 |
| Shapeshifter | cehteh: so at perfect smoothness, you can jump 60 pixels per second. | 11:57 |
| Shapeshifter | but that's without magic | 11:57 |
| cehteh | yes | 11:57 |
| cehteh | but anything else needs magic .. including slower, faster, non integral rates | 11:57 |
| cehteh | it can be done, just not supported | 11:58 |
| Treibholz | cehteh: does changing the hostname hurt anything? | 11:58 |
| Shapeshifter | cehteh: oh and btw, nokia also knew the hardware capabilities of the n900. | 11:58 |
| cehteh | Treibholz: uhm dunno, i bet yes | 11:58 |
| cehteh | Shapeshifter: yeah :/ | 11:58 |
| Shapeshifter | but all the android phones are just as stuttery or even worse then the n900 | 11:58 |
| Shapeshifter | btw http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/03/secrets-of-the-nexus-ones-screen-science-color-and-hacks.ars | 11:59 |
| cehteh | well 'perfect' scrolling as in me as video programmer would say needs a lot of technical efforts | 11:59 |
| cehteh | basically you want directed motion blur and 30hz at least | 12:00 |
| cehteh | 30hz updates | 12:00 |
| cehteh | doesnt need to be 60hz | 12:00 |
| jaska | motion blur.. ugh | 12:00 |
| cehteh | not ugh .. thats what makes it realistic | 12:01 |
| jaska | i just find that effect disgusting on lcds | 12:01 |
| cehteh | the human eye actually compensates motion blur better than any high framerate can provide | 12:01 |
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| cehteh | if you notice it then its applied wrong | 12:01 |
| Shapeshifter | well hyperui is at least a step forward in terms of smoothness | 12:03 |
| Shapeshifter | but still lots of tearing | 12:03 |
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| Shapeshifter | I mean, it seems like the n900 doesn't sync at all | 12:03 |
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| X-Fade | cos^: pong | 12:04 |
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| Treibholz | what bothers me much more is the lack of IMAP IDLE and CalDAV | 12:06 |
| cos^ | yep? | 12:06 |
| X-Fade | cos^: What is the problem you are having. Or rather, with which package? | 12:06 |
| cos^ | X-Fade: i promoted ppcards and got the blank page | 12:07 |
| cos^ | maybe the server logs have something useful information | 12:07 |
| cos^ | promotion worked though, or at least the "Promote package" link is no more | 12:08 |
| X-Fade | cos^: Will check. So the promotion did work, but the page ended up being blank? | 12:08 |
| cos^ | exactly | 12:08 |
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| X-Fade | cos^: Ok. Will check the logs. | 12:08 |
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| cehteh | Treibholz: modest is really modest :) | 12:10 |
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| cehteh | Treibholz: claws ftw | 12:10 |
| Treibholz | cehteh: claws has an offline-mode? | 12:11 |
| cehteh | iirc yes | 12:11 |
| Treibholz | cehteh: do you use it on the n900? | 12:12 |
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| Shapeshifter | I find claws absolutely unusable on the n900 | 12:13 |
| cehteh | i used it, its not properly hildonized so it has its own problems, but currently i just dont use mail from the n900 except in emergencies and then with modest | 12:13 |
| Shapeshifter | it's made for a huge screen | 12:13 |
| cehteh | means manuall connecting and updateing, read most recent mails and send mails | 12:13 |
| cehteh | but really modest is pita | 12:13 |
| cehteh | Shapeshifter: you can configure it quite a lot then it works better | 12:13 |
| cehteh | but to make it really comfortable it should be hildonized agreed | 12:14 |
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| cehteh | .. to make it short: there is NO useable email client on the n900 | 12:15 |
| cehteh | claws is feature wise the best | 12:15 |
| Treibholz | to be honest there is no really useable email-client anywhere. | 12:17 |
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| cehteh | i switched from sylpheed to thunderbird once to support my wife | 12:19 |
| cehteh | but sylpheed (claws now) was a bit better | 12:19 |
| cehteh | more orthogonal, configureable | 12:19 |
| Shapeshifter | thunderbird is okay except it's big and slow | 12:19 |
| cehteh | yeah | 12:20 |
| cehteh | claws is way better in details anyways | 12:20 |
| madduck | can I access the osso abook through other means than the contacts application? | 12:20 |
| madduck | i find claws to be rather strange to use at times | 12:21 |
| * madduck wants offlineimap+mutt | 12:21 | |
| madduck | cehteh: hi btw! ;) | 12:21 |
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| cehteh | hi | 12:22 |
| RST38h | "The first iPads reviews are up, pushing reviewers to their very limits in the search for superlatives worthy of the sublime magnificence bestowed upon them." | 12:24 |
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| ghostcube | hi, :) | 12:27 |
| cehteh | mhm would be an ideal numpty-physics device | 12:27 |
| cehteh | .. oh no capacitative screen .. :P | 12:27 |
| cehteh | damn .. anyone has a usecase? | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | use a sausage | 12:27 |
| cehteh | ANYONE!!!! | 12:27 |
| ghostcube | is there a way to get flsh working on maemo nokia N900 and firefox? i just installed it and its lagging plugins ? | 12:27 |
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| cehteh | hehe | 12:28 |
| sar3th | flash came pre-installed in microb for me | 12:28 |
| cehteh | you seen the announcement on the fennec page about flash? | 12:28 |
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| ghostcube | cehteh: nope | 12:28 |
| cehteh | kindof "with flash its slow like cold molasses, so we disabled it intentionally" | 12:29 |
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| madduck | so how does one access the osso addressbook via SSH from a machine with a real keyboard? ;) | 12:29 |
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| Kurppa_ | ghostcube: type about:config to the url. Search for plugin.disable and change that from true to false. | 12:30 |
| cehteh | ghostcube: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/1.0/releasenotes/ see Known Issues | 12:30 |
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| ghostcube | Kurppa_: ah thx i looked into but havent known what to change exactly thx | 12:30 |
| madduck | i want/need to make mass-changes to my addressbook. how? | 12:30 |
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| cehteh | madduck: its a sqlite db somewhere .. dump, edit, import | 12:31 |
| petteri | madduck: there are some databases on the device | 12:31 |
| madduck | yeah, berkeleyDB | 12:31 |
| madduck | i won't touch that directly | 12:31 |
| cehteh | not sqlite? | 12:31 |
| cehteh | well berkeley has also dump tools | 12:31 |
| cehteh | (and import) | 12:31 |
| madduck | http://slexy.org/view/s2o1CoEsQs | 12:32 |
| madduck | berkeley has no integrity checks when you do that, so I'd rather not run the risk to screw something up | 12:32 |
| madduck | I want osso-abook and python bindings! | 12:32 |
| cehteh | backup ftw | 12:32 |
| madduck | but then all my mass changing work would be lost just like that | 12:32 |
| Kurppa_ | Real men don't backup. | 12:33 |
| ghostcube | hmm, xchat on maemo is a bit bah :D first time i changed to irssi heh | 12:33 |
| cehteh | ghostcube: why that? | 12:33 |
| ghostcube | no nick list no tab completition | 12:33 |
| cehteh | sure | 12:33 |
| ghostcube | :) | 12:33 |
| cehteh | you can enable/configure all | 12:33 |
| ghostcube | i cant see the nick list | 12:33 |
| ghostcube | even if i set it | 12:33 |
| cehteh | preference, enable it .. prolly disabled | 12:34 |
| Treibholz | ghostcube: use the stick, luke! | 12:34 |
| cehteh | works for me | 12:34 |
| ghostcube | -.- woah i have not so fat fingers :P | 12:34 |
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| sejo | http://www.knowyourmobile.com/nokia/nokian900/n900userguides/382267/how_to_update_the_firmware_on_the_nokia_n900.html states you can update OTA, but I cannot find the device manager | 12:34 |
| ghostcube | ok must try guys i just bought it heh and dled easy.debian for image | 12:34 |
| cehteh | and you get notifications with xchat .. led blinks vibrates and so on when someone highlights you! :P | 12:34 |
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| cehteh | well .. and i am biased towards xchat because i made that plugin :> | 12:35 |
| thresh | xchat was nice back in 1.8 days. | 12:35 |
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| cehteh | well i dont pay too much attention to the irc client i use | 12:36 |
| thresh | was nice == didnt suck that hard. | 12:36 |
| thresh | it was fast, at least. | 12:36 |
| cehteh | has to have the functionality i need, which is mostly typing text into it and displaying it | 12:36 |
| joga | irssi+shell is most versatile imo | 12:36 |
| cehteh | whats slow with xchat? | 12:36 |
| Treibholz | irssi is pretty good on the desktop | 12:36 |
| Treibholz | and you can put it in screen. | 12:36 |
| cehteh | i think its quite mature and well writte .. you notice it on the n900 that it doesnt require much cpu even with 30+ channels open | 12:37 |
| thresh | try using your keyboard to navigate through tabs. and keep the buttons pressed. you'll see xchat not being able to refresh windows properly | 12:37 |
| cehteh | works for me | 12:37 |
| thresh | well, it was back in 2006, so eh. | 12:37 |
| joga | hehe...I have 292 windows open in my irssi ;) | 12:38 |
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| RST38h | cehteh: well...dropping cpu requirement was kinda what I have done to it =) | 12:39 |
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| cehteh | RST38h: yes i know | 12:39 |
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| cehteh | but well it wasnt some fundamental flaw, just configs and bit tweaking | 12:40 |
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| ghostcube | cehteh: the user list works now :) | 12:46 |
| Shapeshifter | no april fools yet? | 12:46 |
| cehteh | nokia released pr1.2 ... 5+ times toda< | 12:46 |
| cehteh | y | 12:46 |
| * Shapeshifter doesn't see an announcment that meego is merging into windows 7 | 12:46 | |
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| Shapeshifter | cehteh: meh. I mean an 'official' one. | 12:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter, it's the other way round. | 12:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter, win 7 is rebasing on meego. | 12:47 |
| cehteh | meego abadons the redhat base and will switch to gentoo | 12:48 |
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| Jaffa | Shapeshifter: Since MeeGo targets x86 and ARM, and Nokia have said that the same apps will be able to run on the different variants of MeeGo/Harmattan, that means we'll be able to run Windows apps like PhotoShop on MeeGo. | 12:48 |
| * Treibholz thought the RPM-bullshit was a joke.... | 12:48 | |
| Shapeshifter | Jaffa: I heard, meego will switch to the windows kernel. | 12:48 |
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| cehteh | wine | 12:48 |
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| Shapeshifter | as such, meego will use msi packages. | 12:49 |
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| lcuk | i heard that the fat binaries used on mac include an additional ARMEL compiled section, so you can just take your mac apps and run them on any maemo machine :) | 12:50 |
| nidO | itll only accept packages signed by redmond too rite? | 12:50 |
| Treibholz | meego will switch to FreeBSD, so they can make it closed source! | 12:50 |
| Shapeshifter | in fact, if you press a+b+left+right while booting the n900, it will reboot into iPhone OS. | 12:51 |
| Shapeshifter | that's because apple bought nokia. | 12:51 |
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| odin_ | where can I get Windows7 for N900 ? | 12:56 |
| Treibholz | odin_: ebay. | 12:56 |
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| till_ | itunes | 12:56 |
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| odin_ | Treibholz, oh yes, I see it... guys wants me to box up my handset and stick 50 GBP with it to install it... great! | 12:58 |
| * odin_ boxes up his N900 | 12:58 | |
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| SpeedEvil_ | oh no! I was just going to comment, when I found out april fools day has been cancelled! :( | 13:07 |
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| RST38h | good | 13:08 |
| Arif_ | :yawn: | 13:15 |
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| RST38h | Hehe, the N900 color depth thread is still going on | 13:18 |
| asj | RST38h: about what exactly? | 13:18 |
| Arif_ | OMG THE N900 IS ONLY 65K KOLORS :( | 13:18 |
| corecode | isit? | 13:18 |
| RST38h | asj: some kid claiming that n900 has 24bpp display but nokia only uses 16bpp because iti s evil | 13:18 |
| asj | it looks fine to me? ;) | 13:19 |
| Arif_ | who cares anyway | 13:19 |
| corecode | that explains things | 13:19 |
| Kegetys | isn't it a TN panel anyway? | 13:19 |
| lcuk | im not sure what the actual lcd color depth is - i dont think any lcd is 24bit is it? | 13:19 |
| Arif_ | your encoded pr0n won't look better if it's 24bit | 13:19 |
| Arif_ | :P | 13:19 |
| lcuk | x11 uses a 16bit format for its data etc? | 13:19 |
| RST38h | asj: javispedro, apparently working for Nokia Conspiracy, insisted on 16bpp and even edited Wiki page to say 16bpp | 13:19 |
| lcuk | but other formats (yuv) send 24bit | 13:19 |
| Kegetys | ips and va panels are 24bit, and 30bit ones are coming | 13:19 |
| RST38h | Can you imagine Evil this large? =) | 13:19 |
| asj | what's the X server report? | 13:20 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: How many bits is that YUV format anyway? | 13:20 |
| lcuk | 24bit | 13:20 |
| RST38h | in memory, right? | 13:20 |
| lcuk | 8bit grey channel 1:1 pixels:data | 13:20 |
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| RST38h | aha | 13:21 |
| lcuk | and UV channels have 4:1 | 13:21 |
| hrw | morning | 13:21 |
| SpeedEvil | morning. | 13:21 |
| RST38h | lcuk: wait, that is 8/4/4 ? | 13:21 |
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| corecode | that's the blocking | 13:21 |
| corecode | not the bit depth, no? | 13:21 |
| lcuk | its got a grey plane (8bit) of 800*480, and 2 UV channels (8bit each) 400*240 | 13:22 |
| lcuk | you can get full 24bit color depth | 13:22 |
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| RST38h | oh | 13:22 |
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| asj | wife's a little pissed at nokia at the moment, they cut off her Nokia Messaging account with Free Trial Over (tm) but she can't but it from anyone.... | 13:22 |
| RST38h | asj: Should not have used Nokia Messaging to begin with | 13:23 |
| asj | buy | 13:23 |
| asj | RST38h: it works pretty well really | 13:23 |
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| TomaszD | hey. | 13:24 |
| timeless_mbp | asj: hrm, | 13:24 |
| timeless_mbp | asj: what country? | 13:25 |
| asj | timeless_mbp: .au | 13:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh, it looks like the post beta is supposed to come in may :) | 13:25 |
| crashanddie | howzit brus? | 13:26 |
| asj | hmm? | 13:26 |
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| * timeless_mbp ponders | 13:27 | |
| timeless_mbp | the Nokians here just got back from lunch | 13:27 |
| Arif_ | the wotsit beta? | 13:27 |
| timeless_mbp | i'll ask if any of them know anything | 13:27 |
| timeless_mbp | there was a beta for the 5800 | 13:27 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 13:27 | |
| timeless_mbp | i don't know anything about nokia messaging :) | 13:27 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm using the same internet as the rest of you :) | 13:28 |
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| cehteh | is that ovi chat? | 13:28 |
| cehteh | they hornestly dont want to make a paied chat service? :) | 13:28 |
| sulx | ovi chat is different | 13:28 |
| cehteh | ok | 13:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | asj: can you pastebin something relating to the messaging expiry? | 13:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'm asking nokians here and they don't recognize it | 13:29 |
| timeless_mbp | (we're in Sweden) | 13:29 |
| asj | timeless_mbp: one of the carriers here sells it for $3/mo, sadly she doesn't use that carrier, sec | 13:29 |
| sulx | messaging is imap idle email proxylike service...or so | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | they think that Optus has commercial sales | 13:30 |
| asj | http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1359781 | 13:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, someone here is familiar w/ this :( | 13:31 |
| asj | timeless_mbp: she's not going to switch to optus, she needs a provider that actually works. Optus' data service is "special" | 13:31 |
| hrw | cehteh: ovi chat is just jabber | 13:33 |
| asj | such is life, she can use mfe, but it sucks to much bat, ah well | 13:33 |
| asj | nokia does seem to like to annoy people | 13:33 |
| timeless_mbp | asj: ok, i got a contact for australia | 13:33 |
| asj | timeless_mbp: ah cool | 13:34 |
| timeless_mbp | asj: can i ask you to have your wife write me an email complaining about this and explaining that she won't switch operators? | 13:34 |
| timeless_mbp | i've been given contact info for the guy in Australia | 13:34 |
| timeless_mbp | so i'll pass it along | 13:34 |
| timeless_mbp | (sorry, i'm not going to share the contact info) | 13:34 |
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| Shapeshifter | yay http://kernel.org/ | 13:35 |
| Arif_ | :shifty: | 13:36 |
| Shapeshifter | Arif_: what is that some kind of MSN emoticon no-one can understand? | 13:36 |
| Arif_ | no | 13:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | … unless of course you're a nokian! … gah | 13:40 |
| Arif_ | what's a "Nokian"? | 13:40 |
| timeless_mbp | someone unfortunate (or stupid?) enough to have a certain employer? | 13:41 |
| Arif_ | heh | 13:41 |
| Arif_ | they're that bad? | 13:41 |
| timeless_mbp | *shrug* | 13:42 |
| Arif_ | oh well, they treat their customers and workers the same then :D | 13:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | what is this messeging service they are trying to charge for? | 13:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Is it just another email provider? | 13:43 |
| Arif_ | "push" email | 13:44 |
| MiXu- | What's wrong with working for Nokia? :) | 13:44 |
| SpeedEvil | ah. | 13:44 |
| MiXu- | (I'm starting there on May 3rd ;) | 13:44 |
| Arif_ | MiXu-, as what? | 13:44 |
| MiXu- | Arif_: Maemo testing related work. | 13:45 |
| Arif_ | oo, congrats | 13:45 |
| MiXu- | thanks :) | 13:46 |
| Arif_ | be prepared for "when is pr1.x being releaeed" flooding :P | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | MiXu-: have fun going down the rabbithole :) | 13:46 |
| Arif_ | and no, not by me xD | 13:46 |
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| hrw | MiXu-: shitty work position | 13:46 |
| MiXu- | hrw: How's that? | 13:47 |
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| hrw | MiXu-: maemo software testing is nonsense job because testing wrong designed soft is useless | 13:47 |
| cos^ | is there any way to disable the user agreement dialogs while installing software? | 13:48 |
| MiXu- | hrw: I'd have to disagree. I've done Maemo testing in the past. | 13:48 |
| cos^ | it's pretty annoying especially when restoring a backup | 13:48 |
| Arif_ | MiXu-, thats why its so buggy | 13:49 |
| Arif_ | ? | 13:49 |
| MiXu- | It's not that bad compared to symbian. :D | 13:49 |
| hrw | MiXu-: if maemo software would be tested then it would not get so many simple bugs | 13:50 |
| lcuk | MiXu-, :) congrats, if you can say - which team are you with | 13:50 |
| hrw | MiXu-: symbian has working calendars, maemo5 does not | 13:50 |
| Arif_ | Symbian doesn't crash when you search in the media player | 13:50 |
| Arif_ | ;) | 13:50 |
| MiXu- | lcuk: I'm not sure if I'm allowed to say that | 13:51 |
| hrw | and do video calls, has mms outofbox and usable navigation | 13:51 |
| hrw | ;D | 13:51 |
| nidO | if you arent sure | 13:51 |
| nidO | you werent told not to | 13:51 |
| nidO | so you can | 13:51 |
| nidO | \o/ | 13:51 |
| frals | or the reverse... | 13:51 |
| frals | :p | 13:51 |
| MiXu- | hrw: The only thing about those related to testing is the crashing media player. The rest is design. | 13:52 |
| hrw | MiXu-: thats why I am saying that testing maemo software is useless. | 13:52 |
| nidO | testing really should have picked up on pr1.1 breaking avi streaming :< | 13:52 |
| hrw | if app is broken by design then what is a sense of testing it? | 13:53 |
| hrw | bug 6933 for example | 13:53 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6933 Alarm times are shown wrong | 13:53 |
| hrw | bug 6655 is other kind | 13:53 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6655 Wifi Protected Setup cannot be disabled in favor of classical way | 13:53 |
| nidO | well thats just one minor ui omission | 13:54 |
| hrw | bug 8989 is one which I doubt that will get fixed in fremantle | 13:54 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8989 number -> name decoding for sms should only be decoded from phone number fields of contacts | 13:54 |
| nidO | you can happily set the network up manually, just not through the scanning screen | 13:54 |
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| hrw | nidO: how many normal users will notice that there is such way? | 13:54 |
| X-Fade | hrw: How many users would want to do manual config :) | 13:55 |
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| hrw | nidO: n900 is my 3rd tablet and I forgot that manual config exists | 13:55 |
| hrw | 3rd nokia tablet | 13:55 |
| nidO | normal users can also happily blame the retard router admin who enabled wps on a router users cant access in the first place | 13:55 |
| hrw | nidO: I had router here which had no option to disable WPS | 13:55 |
| MiXu- | hrw: You still need to get rid of the bugs even if there's something that's bad design. | 13:55 |
| nidO | so blame the shitty router design | 13:55 |
| hrw | nidO: really? windows/linux allows me to just provide PSK and get connected | 13:56 |
| nidO | fact is, just because the network setup ui omits a manual-workaround button to avoid a minor usage case of a shit router setup, is hardly a definition of "broken design" | 13:56 |
| hrw | MiXu-: I neved had faith in nokia 'so called' developers when it comes to bug fixes | 13:56 |
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| MiXu- | Fine, go buy an iPhone :) | 13:56 |
| Shapeshifter | does someone know what the difference between qt mobile demo: weather and qt mobile weather is? one is 0.1, the other 1.0 | 13:57 |
| Shapeshifter | funny versioning | 13:57 |
| hrw | nidO: now you have option to go with PIN method, why not add one button for PSK? | 13:57 |
| adisbladis | MiXu-: I will! | 13:57 |
| Arif_ | I see "go buy an iPhone" way too much over here.... | 13:57 |
| hrw | MiXu-: I like n900 hw | 13:57 |
| Scelt | Arif_: pr1.2 out? | 13:58 |
| MiXu- | me too :) | 13:58 |
| nidO | beats me, too much work I guess. nothing's broken though, you can still connect to badly configured routers just fine through the device, its just a not-neccesarily-idiot-proof method | 13:58 |
| Arif_ | Scelt, yes | 13:58 |
| Scelt | Arif_: ! WAT! | 13:58 |
| Arif_ | oh wait | 13:58 |
| Arif_ | no | 13:58 |
| Arif_ | :P | 13:58 |
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| Scelt | fy | 13:58 |
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| Arif_ | :D:D | 13:58 |
| Scelt | april 1st | 13:59 |
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| Shapeshifter | cehteh: btw, foreca weather widget has much less impact on scrolling performance | 13:59 |
| Shapeshifter | and looks more like the other widgets. | 14:00 |
| Shapeshifter | but the app itself shows less info | 14:00 |
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| cehteh | yes but its ugly | 14:02 |
| Shapeshifter | the app is, but I actually like the widget more | 14:03 |
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| odin_ | yay to RPM | 14:10 |
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| noobmonk3y | lo alls | 14:13 |
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| Arif_ | hai noobdonk3y | 14:14 |
| Arif_ | err, noobmonk3y | 14:14 |
| noobmonk3y | :D hehe | 14:14 |
| noobmonk3y | been called worse | 14:15 |
| noobmonk3y | laptop posted ... meh have to wait until delivery for cash | 14:15 |
| noobmonk3y | so much for money b4 the hols | 14:15 |
| Arif_ | you won't get the money | 14:15 |
| Arif_ | xD | 14:15 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 14:15 |
| Arif_ | noobmonk3y, like boobmonk3y? | 14:17 |
| noobmonk3y | ;) yeah :D | 14:17 |
| noobmonk3y | bouncey'boobmonk3y if you dont mind | 14:17 |
| Arif_ | I don't need those details....:D | 14:17 |
| noobmonk3y | :P | 14:18 |
| Arif_ | hmm | 14:18 |
| Arif_ | the N900 screen locked itself after I slid the slider to the right | 14:18 |
| Arif_ | :< | 14:18 |
| haltdef | it hates you | 14:19 |
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| Arif_ | probably :D | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | haltdef: got your n900 yet? | 14:21 |
| haltdef | yes! | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | impressions? | 14:21 |
| haltdef | why did I spend so long on windows mobile? :x | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:21 |
| haltdef | audio player's shite though | 14:21 |
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| noobmonk3y | why do all python threading examples use servers, i just need a simple example to use multithreading in my app :( | 14:21 |
| haltdef | just play one dir and leave me alone :P | 14:21 |
| Arif_ | haltdef, there are like 5 playres...they all suck | 14:22 |
| Arif_ | :D | 14:22 |
| haltdef | yes :< | 14:22 |
| Arif_ | and when you complain on the forum you get "BUY AIFOON" | 14:22 |
| Arif_ | =} | 14:22 |
| haltdef | my favourite is GPE media player but no avrcp support :< | 14:23 |
| haltdef | which I really need, can't control the media player at all without taking the phone out of my pocket, no front buttons | 14:23 |
| Arif_ | use the keyboard | 14:23 |
| Arif_ | I slide the keyboard open slightly, unlock the screen, and use left/right/space | 14:24 |
| Anss| | hmm.. should i buy iphone too. it looks good. | 14:24 |
| Arif_ | nah | 14:24 |
| thresh | yes | 14:24 |
| Arif_ | its an expensive toy | 14:24 |
| Arif_ | but if you really must...buy one for me :D | 14:25 |
| Anss| | buhahaha | 14:25 |
| thresh | like n900 is cheap | 14:25 |
| Arif_ | 400 vs 800 eur is a big difference | 14:25 |
| haltdef | keyboard would slide closed again to easily, having the screen unlocked while in pocket is nasty | 14:25 |
| haltdef | avrcp wins :P | 14:25 |
| asj | Arif_: about $400 ;) | 14:25 |
| Arif_ | eyephone 3GS 32GB is like 800 here | 14:26 |
| thresh | it depends on a country | 14:26 |
| thresh | here it's 650 EUR | 14:26 |
| Arif_ | grey import \o | 14:26 |
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| MohammadAG | here it's 1200 pounds | 14:28 |
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| ptl | 1200 pounds???? | 14:36 |
| ptl | that would be about 4 or 5 times its price? | 14:36 |
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| ptl | pounds sterling, is that it? | 14:36 |
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| crs | Hi there. Is there any google reader enabled rss reader for n900? | 14:36 |
| hrw | grr | 14:37 |
| hrw | crs: there is 'grr' | 14:37 |
| hrw | a bit pain to use | 14:37 |
| crs | I thought that was sing of anger. :P GRR! ;) | 14:37 |
| ptl | crs, there is an app for google reader in the repositories | 14:38 |
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| crs | ptl: how is it called? | 14:38 |
| brik | it's called grr | 14:39 |
| ptl | grr - Grr is a simple application for accessing Google Reader. | 14:39 |
| crs | okia-N900-42-11:~# apt-cache search grr | 14:39 |
| ptl | yes | 14:39 |
| crs | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# | 14:39 |
| haltdef | extras-devel I bet | 14:39 |
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| hrw | I tried to use it. 'grr' was heard often during use | 14:39 |
| haltdef | haha | 14:39 |
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| X-Fade | crs: Isn't it time to update your firmware? :) | 14:40 |
| brik | lmao | 14:40 |
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| crs | X-Fade: haha :) | 14:40 |
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| hrw | X-Fade: 1.2 will be October 25th | 14:40 |
| X-Fade | crs: No, I mean seriously, that version is quite old. | 14:41 |
| timeless_mbp | so, fwiw, i found out what the UK variant has :) | 14:41 |
| timeless_mbp | it has 999 as an emergency number :) | 14:41 |
| Arif_ | lol | 14:41 |
| crs | X-Fade: Are you serious? Is it easy process? | 14:41 |
| crs | X-Fade: Will I loose my data? | 14:41 |
| * ptl presses update in HAM to see if X-Fade is just doing another April 1st joke | 14:41 | |
| X-Fade | ptl: he is running the first release. | 14:42 |
| * ptl doesn't care if it is, he presses update about 20 times a day anyway | 14:42 | |
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| ptl | X-Fade: PR 1.1? Or PR 1.0? | 14:42 |
| crs | How can I check with version I have? | 14:42 |
| ptl | 42-11 | 14:42 |
| X-Fade | ptl: 1.0 | 14:42 |
| ptl | wow | 14:42 |
| hrw | crs: in settings | 14:42 |
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| italodance | STFU | 14:42 |
| Arif_ | doesn't XTerm always say 42-11? | 14:42 |
| ptl | or use HealthCheck from noobmonk3y | 14:42 |
| timeless_mbp | Arif_: to be fair, it's actually understandably important | 14:43 |
| nidO | timeless_mbp: has it as an emergency number in what way? | 14:43 |
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| aSIMULAtor | o ahi | 14:43 |
| aSIMULAtor | hai | 14:43 |
| SpeedEvil | crs, settiungs - about product | 14:43 |
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| Arif_ | timeless_mbp, can't they just code 911, 155, 112, 999 into one firmware? | 14:43 |
| crs | Version 2.2009.51-1.203.2 I have | 14:43 |
| timeless_mbp | i believe 911 and 112 are universally supported | 14:43 |
| * noobmonk3y blinks | 14:43 | |
| nidO | exactly what defines it as an emergency number though? | 14:43 |
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| ptl | X-Fade: mr. distmaster, please stop the torture, give us PR1.2 :( | 14:44 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp, you'd be wrong | 14:44 |
| nidO | on non touchscreens it'd just let you dial them with the keypad locked | 14:44 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp, eu,us, yes | 14:44 |
| nidO | whats it actually do on the n900 | 14:44 |
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| Arif_ | how do you emergency call on the N900 anyway | 14:45 |
| nidO | dial the number i assume | 14:45 |
| timeless_mbp | as for why .... | 14:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: oh, i understand the ideas behind it | 14:46 |
| aSIMULAtor | yeah there's an emergency call screen from what i recall | 14:46 |
| Arif_ | by the time you reach the dial pad you'll die :P | 14:46 |
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| ptl | * sigh * | 14:46 |
| timeless_mbp | when you're asked for a pin code, you can enter emergency numbers instead | 14:46 |
| ptl | what if you set your PIN code as an emergency number? | 14:47 |
| aSIMULAtor | you can't | 14:47 |
| timeless_mbp | pin codes are iirc 4+ characters | 14:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | the emergency numbers i've seen us support are 3 | 14:47 |
| nidO | surely that doesnt have anything to do with the phone, the security lock maybe but not the pin code | 14:47 |
| C-S-B-N900 | and good luck to you if a non n900 user needs to dial on your behalf. | 14:47 |
| Backtrack | hi all... i have a question... | 14:47 |
| nidO | pin code is entirely sim controlled, so bypassing it would be down to the sim as well | 14:47 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm told sweden had "90000" as an emergency number | 14:47 |
| timeless_mbp | but it isn't one i've seen supported | 14:48 |
| nidO | in fact, thats right | 14:48 |
| nidO | im on the global firmware | 14:48 |
| jaska | dont think they still use it | 14:48 |
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| crs | X-Fade: Were you serious about an update or is it 1st april joek? | 14:48 |
| nidO | and dialling 999 on the pin screen gives an emergency call option | 14:48 |
| Arif_ | the fastest way to get to the dialpad is to hold FN and press q,w,e,r, | 14:48 |
| Arif_ | whatever | 14:48 |
| jaska | iirc most of europe standardized on 112 | 14:48 |
| nidO | so thats not a difference | 14:48 |
| timeless_mbp | nidO: um, i tried 999 on mine and i didn't get emergency call | 14:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | 112 and 911 do | 14:48 |
| nidO | works fine here on global | 14:48 |
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| X-Fade | crs: Your command line tells that you run 6 months old version? | 14:48 |
| timeless_mbp | you're using 1.1.1? | 14:48 |
| nidO | as do 112 and 911 | 14:48 |
| nidO | yep | 14:49 |
| ptl | crs: if you are as way back as PR1.0, yes, there are two updates for you | 14:49 |
| noobmonk3y | yeah 112 and 99 should be global emergency numbers (911 supposedly works in the uk too, not tried it tho) | 14:49 |
| nidO | dyou have a uk sim in the phone? | 14:49 |
| Backtrack | i d like to remove specifics plugins for conversations... i just want to keep msn plugin and facebook too. what can i do to remove the others??? | 14:49 |
| noobmonk3y | 999* | 14:49 |
| nidO | 911 does work here | 14:49 |
| ptl | Brazil is 190 and 192 | 14:49 |
| nidO | 112 is the eu number | 14:49 |
| ptl | *has | 14:49 |
| timeless_mbp | 112 isn't the eu number | 14:49 |
| timeless_mbp | it's the gsm number | 14:49 |
| SpeedEvil | UK does nolt support dialing emergency without a paid-up sim | 14:49 |
| Arif_ | lol | 14:50 |
| Arif_ | really? | 14:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 14:50 |
| nidO | no, its the eu number thats been partially adopted by the gsma | 14:50 |
| Arif_ | sucks if you're out of credit then | 14:50 |
| Backtrack | help please. i d like to remove specifics plugins for conversations... i just want to keep msn plugin and facebook too. what can i do to remove the others??? | 14:50 |
| crs | ptl: Version 2.2009.51-1.203.2 I have - is there an updated one released? | 14:50 |
| Arif_ | crs, there's 2010 02 8 | 14:50 |
| timeless_mbp | Arif_: really, there's a wikipedia article on emergency numbers | 14:50 |
| Arif_ | but it only fixes 2 bugs | 14:50 |
| timeless_mbp | it's … well… worth a read i guess | 14:50 |
| ptl | crs: definitely. Go to Hildon Application Manager, update | 14:51 |
| timeless_mbp | it's all very strange | 14:51 |
| ptl | … | 14:51 |
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| Backtrack | help please. i d like to remove specifics plugins for conversations... i just want to keep msn plugin and facebook too. what can i do to remove the others??? | 14:51 |
| Arif_ | timeless_mbp, it just....suprises me you need to pay for an emergency call :) | 14:51 |
| nidO | you dont | 14:51 |
| timeless_mbp | Arif_: it isn't charged | 14:51 |
| brik | Backtrack: have you tried looking under app manager and uninstall? | 14:51 |
| ptl | Backtrack: we have read you | 14:51 |
| timeless_mbp | but they were iirc afraid of pranking | 14:51 |
| lovelyboy | Hi, do anyone know how to review and clean the cache memory of n900 | 14:51 |
| Arif_ | that's better I guess | 14:52 |
| crs | ptl: Is hildon an default app manager? Or is it seperate package? | 14:52 |
| ptl | cache memory? | 14:52 |
| timeless_mbp | ptl: hrm, i'll have to check w/ someone in HEL later | 14:52 |
| Arif_ | but you get free credit with every sim anyway | 14:52 |
| Arif_ | if you really want to prank.. | 14:52 |
| lovelyboy | ptl, yes | 14:52 |
| ptl | crs: no, never mind the 'hildon' part, go to Application manager on the menu | 14:52 |
| timeless_mbp | all i know is that the device i have here has what should be the global variant and it doesn't like 999 | 14:52 |
| ptl | lovelyboy: but from what application? the browser? | 14:52 |
| timeless_mbp | and having seen the variant configuration for uk, i know that it was specifically added for it | 14:52 |
| Backtrack | i have to deserve the package. if i ll remove it ll remove all of them! just i want to know... where maemo puts the plugins for jabber aol gtalk etc | 14:52 |
| timeless_mbp | ptl: are you in UK / on a UK sim? | 14:52 |
| lovelyboy | I dont know whether there is cache memory on the device as pc, but my camera doesn't work after using for a while | 14:53 |
| ptl | timeless_mbp: no, Brazil | 14:53 |
| crs | ptl: Is that equvalent to apt-get update and upgrade? | 14:53 |
| nidO | well, the global firmware on this device definitely has it. | 14:53 |
| ptl | crs: yes. You have apt-get update and upgrade on the terminal, btw. | 14:53 |
| timeless_mbp | nidO: sorry, that question was to you i think | 14:53 |
| timeless_mbp | are you in UK/on a UK sim? | 14:53 |
| crs | it says no updates available, ptl | 14:53 |
| nidO | yes | 14:53 |
| timeless_mbp | nidO: try removing the sim | 14:53 |
| timeless_mbp | see if 999 still works | 14:53 |
| Backtrack | i have to deserve the package. if i ll remove it ll remove all of them! just i want to know... where maemo puts the plugins for jabber aol gtalk etc | 14:54 |
| timeless_mbp | Backtrack: that doesn't make any sense | 14:54 |
| ptl | X-Fade: can you help crs? He seems to be way back but there are no updates available for him. How come? | 14:54 |
| lovelyboy | ptl, not brower, but the camera does not work after I use it in my app for a while. I cant even open it | 14:54 |
| nidO | probably not, as I said bypassing the sim lock to make the call via the sim will be dependant on the sim in the phone, so if the sim doesnt support 999, it wont go through | 14:54 |
| jaska | "Some people in the UK have reported accidentally dialing 112 by loop-disconnect while working on extension telephone wiring, and point to this as a disadvantage of that number", heh, i have accidentally dialed 112 on a pstn telephone by pressing the hook repeatedly | 14:54 |
| crs | Sorry for not having huge knowledge about n900. Got it not long time ago. ;/ | 14:54 |
| nidO | because as you said, UK networks require a functioning sim for emergency calls | 14:54 |
| timeless_mbp | nidO: i'm not talking about calling | 14:54 |
| ptl | lovelyboy: that's weird, but I wonder if it has to do with any cache. | 14:55 |
| lcuk | timeless, dont ask people to call emergency services, in the uk police like to take time out of their busy schedule to call round | 14:55 |
| noobmonk3y | anyone python developers know of a simple threading example anywhere? | 14:55 |
| timeless_mbp | just whether entering '999' at the pin code triggers the button for 'emergency call' | 14:55 |
| lovelyboy | ptl, no idea | 14:55 |
| Backtrack | it has. it does. i need to remove just the plugins that i dont use li gtalk etc i hate to have them | 14:55 |
| ptl | crs: I don't either, but X-Fade is the distmaster, he surely knows everything about updates | 14:55 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: it's just to see if the button is enabled | 14:55 |
| nidO | timeless_mbp: how do you expect me to get the pin code request with no sim in the device anyway | 14:55 |
| timeless_mbp | nidO: try using a device lock? | 14:55 |
| X-Fade | ptl: I'm not and no. | 14:55 |
| nidO | as I asked right at the start, you're probably talking about the phone's device lock not the pin | 14:55 |
| crs | ptl: Ok, thanks a lot! | 14:55 |
| Backtrack | and i cant remove all the pack | 14:55 |
| timeless_mbp | it should support emergency dialing too | 14:55 |
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| ptl | Backtrack: since these plugins ship as part of the base system, I fear that you can't just remove them | 14:56 |
| MohammadAG | it does | 14:56 |
| timeless_mbp | well, i'm testing against sim lock | 14:56 |
| ptl | X-Fade: you aren't? But I have the impression to seeing you as such. | 14:56 |
| timeless_mbp | but the emergency dialing should work in both places | 14:56 |
| lovelyboy | ptl, and if I restart the phone, everything seems ok again. But after a while, the camera will fail | 14:56 |
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| X-Fade | ptl: do a whois ;) | 14:56 |
| timeless_mbp | so my guess is that if you enabled device lock, removed the sim, and entered '999', you wouldn't see the emergency call button | 14:56 |
| crs | ptl: Hmm, very weird. apt-get update and upgrade shows that there is quite a lot to update! Thanks. Will procede now | 14:56 |
| nidO | against the sim lock with a uk sim in I get the emergency option, ill try the device lock as well | 14:56 |
| fabinader | Hi, anyone knows the purpose of mp-fremantle-generic-pr? | 14:56 |
| ptl | ~xfade@Maemo/community/webmaster/X-Fade | 14:57 |
| timeless_mbp | whereas if you insert the sim, enter your sim code, and then enter '999' at the device lock, i bet the emergency call button would be enabled | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, i don't get an emergency dial option for 999 | 14:57 |
| ptl | crs: er, wait | 14:57 |
| Backtrack | ptl exaple. in plugin for chat and conversations... where are the msn facebook etc plugins? it wasnt included on maemo. i installed it bjut i dneed to deerve just some of them | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG | global firmware | 14:57 |
| crs | ptl: Yes? | 14:57 |
| C-S-B-N900 | hey guys, lets just hope we never have to call the emergencies! | 14:57 |
| brik | you do get an emergency call option when entering 999 when the device is locked | 14:57 |
| ptl | crs: apt-get shows some stuff from PR1.2... the next update... which is not out yet, but it is supposed to be out in the next few days | 14:57 |
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| nidO | timeless_mbp: so you're *only* concerned with testing it with no sim in atall? | 14:57 |
| ptl | crs: I am not sure you can update using apt-get just now | 14:57 |
| fabinader | I was trying to instal maemo-pc-connectivity and then I got the following error message: mp-fremantle-generic-pr: Depends: kernel-modules (= 2.6.28-20094803.3+0m5) but 20100203-maemo5 is to be installed | 14:58 |
| nidO | whats the point in that, even if the emergency dial option was there it wouldnt work | 14:58 |
| ptl | crs: maybe it's better if you wait till PR1.2 is out | 14:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | nidO: i'm only concerned with proving that '999' is not special to the global variant | 14:58 |
| fabinader | btw, I have a custom-compiled kernel installed... | 14:58 |
| crs | ptl: Most of packages has 203 version suffix | 14:58 |
| X-Fade | fabinader: If you remove that package, your SSU won't work anymore. | 14:58 |
| timeless_mbp | it's perfectly fine for a uk sim to cause '999' to be special | 14:58 |
| Backtrack | my n900 is totaly modded hahahahah | 14:58 |
| C-S-B-N900 | Backtrack: how so? | 14:59 |
| timeless_mbp | i guess roughly that means that an n900 in uk with a foreign sim would either have 999 work or not depending on which variant is flashed to it | 14:59 |
| fabinader | X-Fade: I believe I have run " apt-get -f install" and answered Yes, so it was removed :( | 14:59 |
| crs | ptl: I will do it now I think. :) I am very unpatient person :) | 14:59 |
| nidO | well, if it does the phone's clever because it does it for the lock code as well as the pin code request | 14:59 |
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| fabinader | X-Fade: what I lost with that? | 14:59 |
| nidO | (lock code comes first, and with a sim in it accepts 999) | 14:59 |
| nidO | testing with no sim | 14:59 |
| X-Fade | fabinader: You can always reinstall it with apt-get install. | 14:59 |
| timeless_mbp | nidO: it's definitely possible the n900 is clever | 14:59 |
| X-Fade | fabinader: Now you won't see any firmware updates. | 14:59 |
| timeless_mbp | clever people/things do happen, even here :) | 14:59 |
| fabinader | X-Fade: whenever I try to reinstall it, I get the same Depends: kernel-modules (= 2.6.28-20094803.3+0m5) but 20100203-maemo5 is to be installed | 15:00 |
| ptl | crs: good luck, maybe there's no problem, I've just checked my updates here and they're all from the SDK repository, I guess that's ok if yours are not. | 15:00 |
| nidO | though that opens up an odd point | 15:00 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp, no, I mean the call does not go through on the network side. | 15:00 |
| X-Fade | fabinader: That means that that package depends on a different firmware version. | 15:00 |
| Backtrack | c-s-b it hasn sounds themes bookmarks games maps and pdf reader... it has new apps from repos and differents menus | 15:00 |
| nidO | if the device is capable of reading the emergency numbers allowed from the sim, so as to allow 999 to work with a sim in | 15:00 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp, without a paid up sim - calling 999 fails. | 15:00 |
| nidO | there'd be no point in the uk variant being hardcoded to accept it anyway | 15:00 |
| Backtrack | with loadin bar at startup etc | 15:00 |
| SpeedEvil | at least, last I tried | 15:00 |
| crs | ptl: And one more question. How can I add repo with grr? | 15:01 |
| fabinader | X-Fade: OK, but I can always try forcing firmware rewriting with maemo-flasher, right? | 15:01 |
| ptl | crs: see "Extras" on wiki.maemo.org | 15:01 |
| Backtrack | i removed all the games etc i hate to have nokia stupid things | 15:01 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: i'm totally uninterested in making a call | 15:01 |
| X-Fade | fabinader: You can force a lot, if you know what you are doing ;) | 15:01 |
| crs | ptl: i have extras I think, just not devel one. | 15:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | we're only interested in whether the n900's global variant _natively_ understands that 999 is an emergency number | 15:01 |
| ptl | crs: but the Extras page on wiki mentions Extras-devel and Extras-testing, that's why | 15:01 |
| fabinader | X-Fade: I got it ;) | 15:02 |
| nidO | right, timeless_mbp: no sim card in atall, global firmware, device lock, dialling 999 prompts for an emergency call | 15:02 |
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| crs | ptl: Oh yes, you are right! | 15:02 |
| timeless_mbp | this can be determined by entering e.g. 112. 911. or 999 into the pin dialog | 15:02 |
| nidO | so the global firmware natively sees it fine on my device | 15:02 |
| timeless_mbp | nidO: hrm | 15:02 |
| fabinader | X-Fade: actually, my reason for coming here is actually failing installing the USB support for maemo-pc-conenctivity | 15:02 |
| brik | my UK n900 recognises 999 as an emergency number with a uk sim, with a norwegian sim it recognises 999 and 112 | 15:03 |
| timeless_mbp | brik: 112 is per gsm, so it has to work anywhere | 15:03 |
| fabinader | X-Fade: Bluetooth and Wi-Fi is OK, but I need it working through USB as I'm developing changes in the Wi-Fi and 3G interfaces for which connecting through USB would help a lot... | 15:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_telephone_number | 15:03 |
| brik | timeless_mbp: with the UK sim it didn't show the emergency call option with 112 | 15:03 |
| fabinader | X-Fade: during installation, a message of failure appeared rapidly during installation, but then the application succeeded installing... | 15:04 |
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| crs | Hmm, got that error while running upgrade: http://wklej.org/id/307819/ -- Does it say anything to you ptl_wants_PR12 or X-Fade? | 15:04 |
| timeless_mbp | brik: wow | 15:04 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | no... it doesn't | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | brik: trying to report w00t to the authorities? | 15:05 |
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| brik | Stskeeps: yes, he stole my cookies | 15:05 |
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| nidO | brik: does here fine | 15:05 |
| Arif_ | oo | 15:06 |
| nidO | on my global firmware I get emergency call options for both 112 and 999 at both the pin code request and device lock, with or without a sim card | 15:06 |
| Arif_ | an orange ! | 15:06 |
| w00t_ | might be related to us using three, perhaps | 15:06 |
| brik | ya | 15:06 |
| Arif_ | aww | 15:06 |
| Arif_ | mbarcode is updated | 15:06 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo achipa, congrats :) | 15:07 |
| C-S-B-N900 | mbarcode is great, but if you open the lens cover, you get an error as the camera app tries to load. | 15:07 |
| achipa | 'lo, thx | 15:08 |
| timeless_mbp | nidO: … still confused, because i'm not getting it here…. | 15:08 |
| timeless_mbp | i suppose it's possible my sim is disabling 999 | 15:08 |
| timeless_mbp | but that seems unlikely | 15:08 |
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| nidO | you're not getting it at the device lock with no sim in? | 15:08 |
| crs | where are downloaded packages kept by apt? | 15:09 |
| crs | Need to free some space on / | 15:09 |
| tuxer | crs: run "apt-get clean" as root to remove downloaded packages | 15:10 |
| * timeless_mbp sets device lock code and tries to turn on device w/o sim | 15:10 | |
| crs | tuxer: thanks, but I have found them in /var/cache/apt/archives | 15:10 |
| tuxer | ok | 15:11 |
| crs | tuxer: Need to remember clean action. Seems to be the right way to do it. | 15:11 |
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| MohammadAG | crs or just move the folder into /opt and symlink it | 15:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok | 15:12 |
| MohammadAG | my archives folder is about 200MBs | 15:12 |
| timeless_mbp | w/o a sim, 999 works | 15:12 |
| nidO | its only with a sim it doesnt? at the device lock, or pin code request? | 15:12 |
| Arif_ | your sim doesn't like Brittons ? :( | 15:13 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, so the guy next to me is explaining that essentially the sim suppresses 999's default | 15:13 |
| timeless_mbp | unless the sim specifies it | 15:13 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 15:13 | |
| crs | http://wklej.org/id/307827/ -- why doesn't it work? | 15:13 |
| nidO | yeah, at the pin code request | 15:13 |
| nidO | it's up to the sim | 15:13 |
| nidO | not the phone | 15:13 |
| nidO | device lock is all phone though | 15:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, so, way too complicated | 15:18 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, i think that the proper test is nidO's device w/ a non uk sim | 15:19 |
| nidO | heh | 15:19 |
| nidO | anyone got one close to norwich? \o/ | 15:19 |
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| noobmonk3y | my mates australian sim worked in my n900 a few weeks ago :D | 15:20 |
| noobmonk3y | but didnt test 999 :P | 15:20 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, please don't go calling it :) | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | or at least, cause an accident before you do | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:20 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm just trying to clarify why the uk variant exists | 15:20 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: or that | 15:20 |
| noobmonk3y | timeless, variants .... | 15:20 |
| noobmonk3y | timeless, well the generic is now in line with worldwide - just waiting on the voda one..... | 15:21 |
| nidO | id say it's not down to the emergency calls, because the only place the phone has control over that is the device lock | 15:21 |
| timeless_mbp | noobmonk3y: people have been asking what the uk generic variant does | 15:21 |
| nidO | which allows 999 everywhere | 15:21 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhhh - well it could be a reserve variant? | 15:21 |
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| nidO | pin code request is up to the sim, so is sim not firmware dependant | 15:21 |
| noobmonk3y | ie in the future give it to 02 or something, | 15:21 |
| noobmonk3y | doubt it tho | 15:21 |
| nidO | they cant do that | 15:21 |
| noobmonk3y | or... we have different rules/reg's | 15:21 |
| timeless_mbp | nidO: *shrug* | 15:21 |
| nidO | because then everyone with generic simfree phones would end up with o2 firmwares when they next update | 15:22 |
| noobmonk3y | like the fm transmitter etc | 15:22 |
| noobmonk3y | gd point nid0 | 15:22 |
| nidO | fmtx law is the same throughout europe | 15:22 |
| frosty` | is anyone succesfully using a BT headset with their n900? | 15:22 |
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| nidO | the bt kit in my car mostly works fine | 15:22 |
| noobmonk3y | right off for lunch :D | 15:22 |
| frosty` | nidO: mostly? | 15:22 |
| nidO | it doesnt transfer calls ringing properly though | 15:22 |
| noobmonk3y | and yes my tom tom works - via bt - but not really a headset | 15:22 |
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| nidO | dialling numbers phone, actual phone calls fine | 15:23 |
| timeless_mbp | there was no sign of the fmtx nonsense in the document we reviewed | 15:23 |
| frosty` | nidO: was reading https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6766 | 15:23 |
| povbot | Bug 6766: Bluetooth Audio Very Choppy and Stuttering | 15:23 |
| nidO | but when someone calls me, the incoming call shows up on my dash, the music on my stereo pauses, but the phone itself rings | 15:23 |
| nidO | the ringer doesnt come through the stereo | 15:23 |
| nidO | but then answering the call is fine | 15:23 |
| frosty` | hmm | 15:23 |
| nidO | ringer not being fully transferred to stereo is the only fault with mine | 15:23 |
| * Arif_ just played around with system fonts | 15:25 | |
| * Arif_ hopes the N900 won't explode | 15:25 | |
| timeless_mbp | Arif_: we've been using droid fonts for most things for a while | 15:25 |
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| * timeless_mbp is quite happy w/ them | 15:25 | |
| hrw | terminus for terminal roxx | 15:25 |
| Arif_ | I just increased the font size ;P | 15:25 |
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| Arif_ | woo | 15:28 |
| Arif_ | I can actually read halfthe OS now... | 15:28 |
| timeless_mbp | you sure you want to do that? :) | 15:30 |
| timeless_mbp | you might not like what you see ;-) | 15:30 |
| Arif_ | I do | 15:30 |
| Arif_ | since I can actually see it now | 15:31 |
| Arif_ | ;P | 15:31 |
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| tony2610 | !list | 15:32 |
| timeless_mbp | !die | 15:32 |
| timeless_mbp | !kill tony2610 | 15:32 |
| Arif_ | /msg timeless_mbp xdcc-get 42 | 15:32 |
| * Arif_ runs | 15:32 | |
| tony2610 | ciao a tti | 15:32 |
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| Arif_ | timeless_mbp, 999 is blocked for emergency calls on my pin screen too! | 15:33 |
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| nidO | you're a foreigner | 15:34 |
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| Arif_ | I am | 15:34 |
| nidO | youe sim probably doesnt have 999 coded in, same as timeless_mbp | 15:34 |
| Arif_ | TMobile NL doesn't like Brittons either :D | 15:35 |
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| crs | OK, updated | 15:35 |
| crs | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# | 15:35 |
| crs | Now I have | 15:35 |
| Arif_ | heh | 15:36 |
| crs | still the same | 15:36 |
| crs | prompt | 15:36 |
| Arif_ | what does it say in Menu>Settings>About product | 15:36 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, so my understanding is mostly correct, good | 15:36 |
| zap | Anybody knows why this error happens on a N810: | 15:36 |
| zap | wao: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org diablo Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG E40DC434616730BD maemo.org Extras repositories (Fremantle Extras) <repositories@maemo.org> | 15:36 |
| crs | Hmm | 15:36 |
| nidO | so yea, firmware variants dont have emergency number differences, thats just down to the sim :P | 15:36 |
| crs | I think it did fucked up something (sorry for word) | 15:36 |
| timeless_mbp | nidO: no, believe me, they do | 15:36 |
| nidO | er? | 15:36 |
| timeless_mbp | if Arif_ wanted to, Arif_ could flash w/ the uk variant | 15:36 |
| timeless_mbp | and then try 999, and it should offer emergency call | 15:37 |
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| nidO | Arif, go try that | 15:37 |
| timeless_mbp | a huge waste of time just to prove a point, but Arif_ is welcome to do it :) | 15:37 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm you can change the interval at which the n900 checks for update | 15:37 |
| nidO | and make sure you try it at the sim's pin code request, *not* the device lock | 15:37 |
| Arif_ | hell no | 15:37 |
| adisbladis | zap: I had that when i enabled extras-devel... | 15:37 |
| Arif_ | =P | 15:37 |
| nidO | tell you what | 15:37 |
| Arif_ | it'll probably say colour instead of color | 15:38 |
| nidO | tmobile nl probably offer free payg sims right? | 15:38 |
| zap | adisbladis: aha, so it seems it's nokia's fault | 15:38 |
| Arif_ | or whatever | 15:38 |
| nidO | get one, send it to me, and ill try it in my phone | 15:38 |
| crs | Hm, phone is unusable now I am afraid ;/ | 15:38 |
| crs | I can ssh to it | 15:38 |
| Arif_ | no, but Voda NL does | 15:38 |
| nidO | if it doesnt offer 999, we know for a fact theres no difference in firmware | 15:38 |
| nidO | and its down to the sim | 15:38 |
| Arif_ | why don't you send me your N900 instead | 15:39 |
| Arif_ | ;D | 15:39 |
| nidO | becau...no. | 15:39 |
| Arif_ | hehe | 15:39 |
| haltdef | new data plan required ¬¬ | 15:39 |
| Arif_ | 500MB a month isn't enough for you? | 15:39 |
| Arif_ | :< | 15:39 |
| haltdef | 150MB for 3 months used to be more than enough on my WM phone, not so much with n900 | 15:39 |
| Arif_ | haha | 15:40 |
| Arif_ | I use more than that daily | 15:40 |
| nidO | fact remains though, that global variant offers 999 at the sim pin request with a uk sim, and at the device lock with either a uk sim or no sim atall] | 15:40 |
| haltdef | tis ok though, £5 for an unlimited data addon | 15:40 |
| nidO | and im reasonably positive that the numbers available at the sim pin request are entirely down to the sim, and nothing to do with the phone's firmware | 15:40 |
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| Arif_ | I pay 15 for “unlimited” | 15:40 |
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| X-Fade | zap: better now? | 15:40 |
| haltdef | this is payg | 15:40 |
| timeless_mbp | nidO: you really should trust me | 15:41 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm sitting w/ a guy who creates variants for a living | 15:41 |
| Arif_ | we don’t have unlimited data on payg in .nl | 15:41 |
| Arif_ | :( | 15:41 |
| timeless_mbp | (or at least deals w/ them and operators, his neighbor does most of the creation) | 15:41 |
| haltdef | "unlimited" | 15:41 |
| haltdef | I'd be surprised if they let me near 2GB :P | 15:41 |
| nidO | okay, so ask him why the global firmware variant would accept 999 at the device lock code, but not the pin code request with non uk simcards | 15:41 |
| Arif_ | haltdef, my current unlimited=1024/384 and after 2GB it’s 384/64 | 15:42 |
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| haltdef | bit slow | 15:42 |
| crs | Arif_: Still the same, 2.2009.51 ;/ | 15:42 |
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| nidO | the fact remains that at the pin code request, the emergency numbers availabe have nothing to do with the phone firmware, and everything to do with the sim | 15:42 |
| Arif_ | Vodafeun has 3.6Mb | 15:42 |
| haltdef | I've seen 1.5/1.3 out of hsdpa, painful at peak times though | 15:42 |
| haltdef | barely hit 200k | 15:42 |
| Arif_ | but they have a hard limit at 250MB | 15:42 |
| nidO | thats just a fact, because it's the sim that needs to be unlocked to allow the call to get through. the phone cant bypass that, it's down to the sim | 15:42 |
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| crs | How do I update it? | 15:43 |
| Arif_ | flash manually? | 15:43 |
| Arif_ | or don’t bother and wait for the new fw | 15:43 |
| crs | fw? | 15:43 |
| Arif_ | firmware | 15:43 |
| timeless_mbp | nidO: right now w/ a sim, i can only use 112/911 in the device lock for emergency call | 15:44 |
| crs | I was told there already is newer available then what I have installed. | 15:44 |
| Arif_ | there is | 15:44 |
| nidO | well theres something odd going on then, because mine allows 999 with or without a sim | 15:44 |
| Arif_ | but its not really worth messing | 15:44 |
| timeless_mbp | nidO: if you're in UK, try turning your phone to offline mode? :) | 15:45 |
| timeless_mbp | and then rebooting and leaving it offline | 15:45 |
| crs | Arif_: Where can I find changelog or something? | 15:45 |
| timeless_mbp | because the network can tell you about emergency numbers too :) | 15:45 |
| Arif_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1.1 | 15:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | which i guess makes the 999 stuff only useful for the brit who takes his n900 to the USA and buys a US sim and wants to use 999 | 15:45 |
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| nidO | does 999 even work in the states? | 15:46 |
| timeless_mbp | w/ emergency numbers, the theory is that they're converted to a number which *does* work | 15:47 |
| timeless_mbp | or perhaps a "signal" since calling it a number is probably too confusing :) | 15:47 |
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| RST38h | Ah, a new Maemo Mapper! | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | morning iii | 15:48 |
| RST38h | Shit, cannot update: Extras-Devel has now been broken. | 15:48 |
| III | gm Stskeeps | 15:48 |
| mgedmin | RST38h, enhanced with PR 1.2 SDK | 15:48 |
| mgedmin | for your Scratchbox-testing convenience | 15:48 |
| * RST38h thanks the Tentacled One he has managed to slip his packages before XFade broke the repo | 15:49 | |
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| mgedmin | because people who have Scratchboxes to test new software don't know how to build software in their own scratchboxes, apparently | 15:49 |
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| mgedmin | what, me bitter? why do you think so? | 15:49 |
| crs | Arif_: I think I still want to upgrade it. Why I cant just do it? | 15:49 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Remind me: why am I not feeling thankful? =) | 15:49 |
| Arif_ | you can flash it manually if you really want | 15:49 |
| Arif_ | you lose all your data though | 15:49 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: On the other hand, I can probably upload binary packages to non-free just fine, as long as I do not upgrade the SDK | 15:50 |
| crs | Nope, unaccepable for me. ;/ | 15:50 |
| crs | Hmm, but why I just update it like the others? | 15:50 |
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| Arif_ | you probably broke something :D | 15:50 |
| crs | ;/ | 15:51 |
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| crs | What osso is? | 15:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | crs: a long dead entity | 15:53 |
| timeless_mbp | it was replaced by ngsw | 15:53 |
| timeless_mbp | which was replaced by maemo devices | 15:53 |
| timeless_mbp | which was replaced by meego devices | 15:53 |
| timeless_mbp | unless i missed a replacement or two or three | 15:53 |
| Cazou | Hey, I can't get network working in scratchbox :s | 15:53 |
| timeless_mbp | it's hard to keep track :) | 15:53 |
| timeless_mbp | Cazou: "ask google" | 15:53 |
| RST38h | Cazou: Use MaemoSDK+ | 15:54 |
| crs | timeless_mbp: Ok, thanks :) | 15:54 |
| Cazou | RST38h: that's what I'm using :) | 15:54 |
| crs | Still trying to figure out why updates are not working for me ;/ | 15:54 |
| Arif_ | blame nokia | 15:55 |
| crs | which firmware should I update? There are few while apt-cache search firmware was executed | 15:55 |
| timeless_mbp | crs: there's a wiki.maemo.org article that should explain how to debug | 15:56 |
| timeless_mbp | all of your questions should be covered by that wiki | 15:56 |
| crs | http://wklej.org/id/307819/ | 15:56 |
| crs | this is an error I got previously | 15:56 |
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| achipa | a palindrome | 15:57 |
| achipa | oops, wrong window | 15:57 |
| Arif_ | heh | 15:57 |
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| crs | OK, have forced firmware to reinstall - lets see | 16:03 |
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| FIQ | i maybe should inform you that eboys has an autojoin ad script | 16:05 |
| hrw | crs: are you from Poland? | 16:06 |
| Arif_ | FIQ, who? what? | 16:06 |
| X-Fade | FIQ: I'd like it if you didn't. | 16:06 |
| FIQ | ok, sure | 16:06 |
| crs | Hmm. Still nothing. ;/ | 16:06 |
| crs | X-Fade: Maybe you will know. Why I cant update to newer firmware? | 16:07 |
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| X-Fade | crs: All kinds of reasons really. | 16:07 |
| crs | X-Fade: I have ran apt-get: update, upgrade and dist-upgrade - still on 02.2009 | 16:08 |
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| X-Fade | crs: You should use the application manager for one. | 16:09 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, address book crashed :( | 16:09 |
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| crs | X-Fade: app manager says that there is no updates available | 16:10 |
| X-Fade | crs: Then it must be right. | 16:10 |
| mgedmin | the app manager is very conservative | 16:10 |
| mgedmin | if there's anything broken or non-standard about your system, it will hide firmware upgrades | 16:11 |
| mgedmin | because it would suck if those failed and your n900 became unbootable | 16:11 |
| mgedmin | I was unable to upgrade to PR 1.1 because I had procps installed, which removed the standard busybox-procps package | 16:11 |
| mgedmin | (I think that was the reason) | 16:11 |
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| X-Fade | mgedmin: real readon is that that unstalled the meta package. | 16:12 |
| X-Fade | *reason | 16:12 |
| mgedmin | could be, X-Fade | 16:12 |
| mgedmin | but I doubt it | 16:12 |
| mgedmin | IIRC there was no metapackage in PR 1.0 | 16:12 |
| X-Fade | No, as that has strict dependencies. | 16:12 |
| X-Fade | Sure there is. | 16:12 |
| mgedmin | I remember being pleasantly surprised when apt-get install procps only removed one single package (busybox-procps-links) | 16:12 |
| mgedmin | busybox-symlinks-procps is the real name | 16:13 |
| mgedmin | I think it was PR 1.0.1 that introduced a mp-fremantle-generic-pr metapackage | 16:13 |
| mgedmin | and yeah, the version that wasn't offered to me was PR 1.0.1 | 16:14 |
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| crs | X-Fade: So what should I do now? | 16:27 |
| crs | Because it will never update my firmware now as far as I understand | 16:27 |
| lcuk | crs | 16:28 |
| lcuk | if you spent more than 2 days trying to flash something just because then you have more time than i | 16:28 |
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| lcuk | is there a reason you NEED to upgrade? | 16:29 |
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| crs | nope | 16:30 |
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| crs | But with 1.2 there will be few nice things and I will like to have it. | 16:30 |
| lcuk | well since 1.2 has not been released yet.. | 16:30 |
| lcuk | no amount of badgering and annoying x-fade will get it installed | 16:31 |
| SpeedEvil | annoying. camera is broken. | 16:31 |
| SpeedEvil | software-wise | 16:31 |
| crs | in 1.2? | 16:31 |
| * lcuk cant wait for pr1.2 either | 16:31 | |
| MiXu- | I can't either | 16:31 |
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| FIQ | i can | 16:32 |
| * Arif_ can too | 16:32 | |
| FIQ | (just wanted to answer different :) ) | 16:32 |
| crs | FIQ: So you cant upgrade firmware either? | 16:32 |
| Arif_ | PR1.2 will only fix 4 bugs anyway | 16:33 |
| * RST38h passes lcuk a pr1.2 | 16:33 | |
| Arif_ | why’s everyone being so excited | 16:33 |
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| RST38h | Arif: Which are? | 16:33 |
| Arif_ | how should I know | 16:33 |
| Arif_ | but %90 of Nokia firmwares are like that | 16:33 |
| * lcuk looks at RST38h's pr1.2 and compares it to his own | 16:33 | |
| lcuk | theres ~ 600 public bugs fixed isnt there? | 16:34 |
| lcuk | oops too many - 323 atm | 16:34 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: what does diff say? | 16:35 |
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| Arif_ | you sure 300 of those aren’t wontfix or harnmattan? | 16:35 |
| Arif_ | =P | 16:35 |
| RST38h | Arif: Why are you even saying it then? | 16:35 |
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| * Arif_ is just trying to say that nothing remotely exciting will happen in pr1.2.... | 16:36 | |
| lcuk | Arif_, go and check them yourself http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=568334&postcount=253 | 16:36 |
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| andre__ | Arif_, maybe check Bugzilla before writing BS? ;-) "FIXED" resolution is clearly something different than "WONTFIX" resolution... | 16:36 |
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| andre__ | the kitchensink feature is still leaking so it's not included in PR1.2, so yeah, nothing exciting, true... | 16:37 |
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| Arif_ | andre__, to be serious..Nokia does a better job than most mobile phone companies put togehter =} | 16:37 |
| crs | Is there opera mini (or mobile - cant remember how is it called) for n900? | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG | no | 16:37 |
| andre__ | Arif_, hmm, can't compare myself... didn't have to deal much before with mobile phones... | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG | crs, honestly why do you need it | 16:38 |
| andre__ | I think you can get Opera Mini to run after getting Java on it. A friend of mine managed to do that a few weeks ago on the N900 IIRC. | 16:38 |
| Arif_ | the likes of Samsung, LG, and SE bring out half working firmware and never fix it :D | 16:38 |
| crs | MohammadAG: Just asking, 'Back' option is quite slow on defaulolt one | 16:38 |
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| Arif_ | but most people are expecting Flash 10, MMS, portrait in PR1.2 | 16:38 |
| andre__ | Arif_, but where is the difference to Nokia? ;-)) (jk) | 16:38 |
| hrw | crs: nope | 16:38 |
| Arif_ | and that won’t happen :( | 16:38 |
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| MohammadAG | crs, install shortcutd and set the back button to the camera key | 16:38 |
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| hrw | MohammadAG: faster browsing? | 16:38 |
| Arif_ | andre__, Nokia fixes 4 bugs, other companies fix them in a new device :P | 16:39 |
| dneary | Hi | 16:39 |
| dneary | Any Nokiates here? http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/library.maemo.nokia.com | 16:39 |
| hrw | hi dneary | 16:39 |
| MohammadAG | hrw, microB is fast | 16:39 |
| dneary | Hi hrw | 16:39 |
| andre__ | Arif_, sorry, but it's definitely more than 300 *public* bugs, plus a large internal number of bugs... :) | 16:39 |
| MohammadAG | opera mini might look faster cause rendering is done on their servers | 16:39 |
| hrw | MohammadAG: and do lot of chessboard display if more then one app is running | 16:39 |
| Arif_ | that 4 is just trolling =} | 16:39 |
| crs | anyone uses Midori? | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG | hrw, depends on the app running | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG | tried tear | 16:40 |
| hrw | MohammadAG: 256MB ram is probably limiting anyway | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG | it works well, but the icon in the menu crashes hildon-desktop | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG | hrw, it's good enough for me :) | 16:41 |
| andre__ | dneary, was that expected to be online at all? | 16:41 |
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| * MohammadAG wonders if the N950 will have 1GB RAM | 16:41 | |
| hrw | MohammadAG: probably ust 512MB - omap3 by default uses pop modules and I did not heard about 1GB ones | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG | the "N950" is using the OMAP3? | 16:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | dneary: my PoP (dallas?) doesn't think it's alive :) | 16:44 |
| crs | And another important question. Is there an easy way to update facebooks statuses? | 16:46 |
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| bigbrovar | Hi guys I just got me a new N900 and I was wondering how long I am suppose to chat it before starting to use it? and do I charge on or off.. | 16:46 |
| VDVsx | MohammadAG, April foul ? :D | 16:46 |
| Arif_ | chat? | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | VDVsx, err? :p | 16:46 |
| dneary | andre__, It's been online for a long time, hasn't it? | 16:46 |
| andre__ | honestly, I don't know... | 16:47 |
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| MohammadAG | VDVsx, did I say something I forgot about? :) | 16:47 |
| andre__ | dneary, at least google gives zero results for "site:library.maemo.nokia.com nokia" | 16:48 |
| VDVsx | MohammadAG, N950 (I didn't read the all chat) | 16:48 |
| * MohammadAG hates how sony removed OtherOS (linux) support from the PS3 | 16:48 | |
| Arif_ | people used that? | 16:48 |
| RST38h | What's PS3? | 16:48 |
| MohammadAG | VDVsx, ah, I could've said next Maemo device, but I found the N950 shorter to type | 16:48 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, PlayStation 3? | 16:49 |
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| MohammadAG | Arif_, yes they did :) | 16:49 |
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| Arif_ | it’d be interesting if you had access to the GPU | 16:49 |
| dneary | andre__, Funny... the link has worked in the past, I believe | 16:49 |
| * MohammadAG bypasses the update, take that! | 16:49 | |
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| bigbrovar | Hi guys I just got me a new N900 and I was wondering how long I am suppose to charge* it before starting to use it? and do I charge on or off.. | 16:50 |
| MohammadAG | Arif_, let's just say i might not be allowed to talk about that | 16:50 |
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| rmrfchik | wtf... maepad: Depends: libhildon1 (>= 2.2.10) but 2.2.3-1+0m5 is to be installed | 16:50 |
| timeless_mbp | dneary: Cannot access the Web site. | 16:50 |
| sECuRE | i am having trouble getting the SDK to run. i want to develop a simple application accessing the phone book on my n900. the installation of the sdk on debian did work, but maemo-sdk start gui does not show any contents. so i downloaded the VM image with the ubuntu system, but there is no maemo-sdk there. how do i run the emulator inside the vm? am i supposed to install it? | 16:50 |
| MohammadAG | rmrfchik, PR1.2 autobuilder | 16:50 |
| Arif_ | MohammadAG, leethax ? ;p | 16:50 |
| rmrfchik | amagad | 16:51 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: Is it some game or somethin'? Like a Nintendo maybe? | 16:51 |
| * RST38h cackles evilly | 16:51 | |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, it's an 8 bit console | 16:51 |
| Arif_ | bigbrovar, it’s not a NiMH battery....so no need! | 16:51 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: cooooool! | 16:51 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: You know you can actually run Linux (well, Uzix) on an 8bit MSX. Will it do instead? =) | 16:51 |
| uhsf | spammed on arrival into channel by eboys, it's been a while since the last time i had such an issue on freenode | 16:52 |
| RST38h | rmrfchik: /msg X-Fade Please, switch autobuilder back to SDK compatible with what users have | 16:52 |
| uhsf | so, what are the first impressions about meego on the n900? | 16:52 |
| bigbrovar | Arif_: of really? so I can just start it and start to use? ok thanks | 16:52 |
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| RST38h | rmrfchik: I guess filing a Bugzilla tracker and getting 100+ people vote for it will also do the job | 16:53 |
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| MohammadAG | RST38h, yeah, does it output in HD? | 16:53 |
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| rmrfchik | so, this is not maepad bug, but repo? | 16:53 |
| MohammadAG | rather an autobuilder one | 16:54 |
| thresh | who needs PS3 with linux anyway | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG | rmrfchik, it'll work when PR1.2 is released | 16:54 |
| thresh | well I do, but still | 16:54 |
| thresh | i'd rather enjoy my games than leenups on the device | 16:54 |
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| MohammadAG | thresh, well it might be the door to homebrew | 16:54 |
| rmrfchik | users recieve unusable "application updated" | 16:54 |
| thresh | homebrew what? | 16:55 |
| MohammadAG | thresh, unsigned apps | 16:55 |
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| woglinde | jo | 16:55 |
| thresh | MohammadAG: ah sure. | 16:55 |
| MohammadAG | thresh, you don't seem to know about the exploit | 16:56 |
| thresh | MohammadAG: No, I've read about it a month ago or so. | 16:56 |
| thresh | The one that involved resoldering something :-) | 16:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | bigbrovar: you can charge while it's on or off | 17:01 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | w | 17:01 |
| C-S-B-N900 | w | 17:01 |
| C-S-B-N900 | h | 17:01 |
| C-S-B-N900 | h | 17:01 |
| C-S-B-N900 | a | 17:01 |
| C-S-B-N900 | a | 17:01 |
| C-S-B-N900 | w | 17:01 |
| C-S-B-N900 | w | 17:01 |
| rmrfchik | /kick | 17:02 |
| RST38h | Mohammed: Of course it outputs in brilliant 512x212 HD! | 17:02 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | wtf happened there | 17:03 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | i was type a letter and it was sent straight to channel. | 17:03 |
| Arif_ | lol | 17:04 |
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| RST38h | CSBN900: You have been naughty | 17:04 |
| rmrfchik | you just dumped your password | 17:04 |
| RST38h | and it is a bad password too | 17:04 |
| rmrfchik | don't worry, it was masked as "*". irc do this for you | 17:04 |
| C-S-B-N900 | what password? | 17:05 |
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| * Arif_ slaps rmrfchik with bash.org | 17:05 | |
| RST38h | remoo, vdvsx | 17:05 |
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| bigbrovar | timeless_mbp: thanks, this is my second N900 the first one had some battery issues that most people dont seem to have, so I am trying to do everything right this time :) | 17:05 |
| rmrfchik | let's slap csb | 17:05 |
| C-S-B-N900 | lol | 17:05 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | ok :( | 17:05 |
| timeless_mbp | bigbrovar: you probably want it to have more than 'yellow' bar charge before reflashing, but otherwise... | 17:05 |
| woglinde | can someone give me the pointer to good tutorial for diffrent kernel booting on n810? | 17:06 |
| * nidO yawns | 17:06 | |
| * Arif_ hands nidO an N901 | 17:08 | |
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| ghostcube | ok i have still xchat problem to autocomplete nicks, how to do on maemo 5 | 17:13 |
| RST38h | Ctrl-Space or Shift-Space, I do not remember any more | 17:14 |
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| ghostcube | RST38h: shift + space thx :) | 17:14 |
| Nukkuva | mutjoh | 17:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | I prefer binding to shift-right | 17:22 |
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| * RST38h isn't Jesus, can't satisfy everyone | 17:23 | |
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| Arif_ | hmm | 17:25 |
| Arif_ | no interesting pranks today | 17:25 |
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| * noobmonk3y is back | 17:32 | |
| * nidO is tired | 17:33 | |
| woglinde | got to sleep | 17:33 |
| woglinde | go | 17:33 |
| nidO | im very tempted | 17:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | Arif_: let me Topeka for interesting pranks | 17:40 |
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| * Arif_ just ordered an Acekard 2i | 17:44 | |
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| nidO | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8598637.stm | 17:46 |
| Arif_ | mh | 17:47 |
| Arif_ | allaboutsymbian has a similar article | 17:47 |
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| RST38h | wazd ehlo | 17:54 |
| wazd | RST38h: heya | 17:55 |
| RST38h | wazd: How are things? | 17:55 |
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| wazd | RST38h: well, not as good as they could be :) | 17:55 |
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| RST38h | wazd: More beer. | 17:57 |
| RST38h | Or even MORE-BEER | 17:57 |
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| wazd | RST38h: moar hands :) | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: you can btw be proud Mer is currently, more functional than MeeGo ;) | 17:58 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: let's hope that this will be changed later :D | 17:58 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: hope and pray :D | 17:58 |
| RST38h | wazd: hire some! | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | next UI: "you can dial via the xterm!" | 17:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah. meego contributors are currently submitting patches to reduce mer functionality. | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | you're wrong, it's opposite ;) | 17:59 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: xterm should autostart LISP | 18:00 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: and implement all the UI in LISP | 18:00 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: there's no emacs in meego trunk | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | which is another source of useless religious discussion | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:00 |
| RST38h | as in (call 1 555 5555555) | 18:01 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: I do honestly hope that PICO is there though? =)~ | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: nano is there, so close enough | 18:01 |
| SpeedEvil | xterm with mouse support is clearly a sane base for a termcap based ui. | 18:01 |
| RST38h | Yea, NANO is ok | 18:01 |
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| * RST38h considers what the best LISP interface for calling phones will look like | 18:02 | |
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| RST38h | I guess it should be properly recursive | 18:02 |
| RST38h | Like (call (1 555 (5551212) (5551213))) will call +1(555)5551212 and +1(555)5551213 in a sequence | 18:03 |
| wazd | RST38h: how the meeting ended btw? That crazy waiter allowed you to leave? :D | 18:03 |
| RST38h | wazd: has been pretty anticlimactic | 18:03 |
| lcuk | RST38h, isnt lisp deeply parallel - would the function not initiate two calls? | 18:04 |
| RST38h | wazd: Paid him shitload of cash and went in the general direction of the metro | 18:04 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Not necessarily | 18:04 |
| RST38h | lcuk: but you can always define (call-at-once ...) | 18:04 |
| lcuk | sounds good (conference-call ...) | 18:05 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: (hangup (say (call ...) "Hello world")) | 18:07 |
| TomaszD | moo | 18:07 |
| RST38h | moo indeed | 18:07 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: (connect (say (call ...) "You have got a call") (say (call ...) "You too have got a call") | 18:08 |
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| noobmonk3y | woooooooops | 18:09 |
| noobmonk3y | learning threading in pthong, just created 2.5 thousand excpetion error threads... | 18:10 |
| Oli`` | Is it possible to install the 3.2010.02-8.203.1 maemo 5 update over the air? I don't have a windows machine to use the software updater | 18:10 |
| noobmonk3y | python* | 18:10 |
| noobmonk3y | Oli``, yes... you need 45mb free in rootfs ish | 18:10 |
| * RST38h considers FORTH as Meego's UI | 18:10 | |
| Oli`` | noobmonk3y: aha! cheers | 18:10 |
| noobmonk3y | think i had about 52 to be safe | 18:11 |
| * Oli`` has to find 20megs somewhere | 18:11 | |
| RST38h | hangup "Hello world" say 15555551212 call | 18:11 |
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| noobmonk3y | Oli``, disable extras testing and devel - saves about 10 | 18:12 |
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| noobmonk3y | install python-optify | 18:12 |
| noobmonk3y | then apt-get clean and apt-get autoremove , then reboot | 18:12 |
| Oli`` | wowzers that sounds like a plan... I was just going to uninstal everything that came from extras-devel | 18:12 |
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| Oli`` | what does python-optify actually do? | 18:13 |
| noobmonk3y | lol my method takes about 2 mins ;) | 18:13 |
| noobmonk3y | it optifies python hold on 2 mins | 18:13 |
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| red | Oli``: one trick is to disable extrasdevel and testing and reload the app manager | 18:13 |
| red | then reboot the phone | 18:13 |
| red | it frees up a nice chunk of rootfs alone | 18:14 |
| Oli`` | red: that's what noobmonk3y just said =) | 18:14 |
| noobmonk3y | Oli``, http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space | 18:14 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 18:14 |
| noobmonk3y | optify python is half way down | 18:14 |
| Oli`` | I'm glad the documentation has improved since the last PR update... there were tons of people running around like headless chickens trying to scrape back some free space | 18:15 |
| noobmonk3y | ;) | 18:15 |
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| noobmonk3y | hmmmmmmmmm | 18:20 |
| nidO | well, those headless chickens werent really down to documentation | 18:20 |
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| nidO | they were down to enabling -devel and installing unoptified apps without actually reading all the big fat warnings about doing so | 18:20 |
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| tripzero | bah, i want the N900 calander to sync up to google calendar... :| | 18:23 |
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| noobmonk3y | i want someone to tell me why threading in python is pants....... | 18:23 |
| Arif_ | python sux? | 18:23 |
| noobmonk3y | meh | 18:23 |
| tripzero | is threading in any language not pants? | 18:23 |
| adisbladis | Erlang! | 18:24 |
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| noobmonk3y | no idea | 18:25 |
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| Oli`` | Whoa. Disabled all the repos except the nokia update and I'm sitting pretty at 68megs free | 18:30 |
| Arif_ | what was it before? | 18:30 |
| Oli`` | 28 | 18:30 |
| Arif_ | mh | 18:30 |
| Arif_ | same here | 18:30 |
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| * Oli`` wonders if the next PR will introduce a package manager that can do more than one thing at once. Uninstall multiple things is so tedious | 18:34 | |
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| Arif_ | you can always hope :) | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | source should be out already, go check | 18:35 |
| Arif_ | doing a CTRL+A in the games category and pressing “install” would be nice | 18:35 |
| SpeedEvil | root;rm -rf / | 18:36 |
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| nidO | ctrl + a then install in games.... | 18:47 |
| nidO | and spend an hour accepting "this content may be dodgy" warnings | 18:47 |
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| edheldil | noobmonk3y: it's not multi(core/processor) capable. But it's usable | 18:54 |
| edheldil | at least in CPython, other pythons don't have GIL | 18:54 |
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| Arif_ | moo | 19:17 |
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| RichardP | are SIM card registration errors common on the N900? | 19:18 |
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| Arif_ | never heard of one | 19:19 |
| noobmonk3y | hi edheldil - sorry was afk | 19:20 |
| noobmonk3y | it can still run multi threads tho? | 19:20 |
| edheldil | yes, just not at once (CPython) | 19:21 |
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| ShadowJK | python interpreter can't run more than one thread iirc? | 19:22 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmm | 19:22 |
| noobmonk3y | so no point in threads then? | 19:22 |
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| ShadowJK | one thread of interpreted code | 19:22 |
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| noobmonk3y | hmmm maybe i just need to figure out a loading bar instead | 19:22 |
| nidO | whatre you trying to achieve? | 19:22 |
| noobmonk3y | got a loop going through collecting every app/module on the device | 19:23 |
| noobmonk3y | it takes about 2 mins :P | 19:23 |
| edheldil | there's a reason for using threads in python, if your threads sleep enough | 19:23 |
| noobmonk3y | wanted the app to do it without stalling the app | 19:23 |
| edheldil | reading from device == sleeps a lot | 19:23 |
| slonopotamus | RichardP: bad physical connection? | 19:23 |
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| slonopotamus | RichardP: with sim card, i mean | 19:24 |
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| lcuk | noobmonk3y, thats unfortunate | 19:24 |
| noobmonk3y | true so overall it takes longer, but.... fills a list box sensibly and not slowing down the app? | 19:24 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk, ? | 19:24 |
| ShadowJK | of I understand it correctly, once you call some function implementrd in native code, other threads can run on interpreter | 19:24 |
| lcuk | how long it takes so far | 19:24 |
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| noobmonk3y | yeah :( - 3.5k apps/modules etc | 19:24 |
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| RichardP | slonopotamus: got a new N900 and Im getting a consistent 'SIM Card registration failed' error | 19:24 |
| nidO | your sim card's probably fubar | 19:25 |
| lcuk | well need to digest it into quickly identifiable stuff perhaps | 19:25 |
| RichardP | slonopotamus: ive reseated the card | 19:25 |
| GAN900 | X-Fade, ping? | 19:25 |
| lcuk | and the stuff that takes long time | 19:25 |
| lcuk | concentrate on optimizing it with a proper modile api in native code | 19:25 |
| lcuk | rather than all python | 19:25 |
| lcuk | you could probably do it cleanly by replacing as apis come available | 19:26 |
| edheldil | it means that threads compete over GIL, global interpreter lock. if a thread does not ask for it, it can run | 19:26 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk, are you speaking greek? hehe | 19:26 |
| * slonopotamus had to put a piece of paper between sim card holder and battery. had weird errors without that | 19:26 | |
| Arif_ | order a new sim? | 19:27 |
| Arif_ | :) | 19:27 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmm gil? interpreter locks? i have a lot to learn ;) | 19:27 |
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| slonopotamus | Arif_: sim works perfectly in all other phones i tried. | 19:27 |
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| lcuk | haha you arent a noobmonk3y for nothing :p | 19:27 |
| lcuk | in a few months you can change your nick | 19:27 |
| Arif_ | have you tried a 2nd N900? | 19:27 |
| lcuk | theuserformallyknownasnoobmonk3y | 19:28 |
| nidO | sortofknowsabitmonkey | 19:28 |
| edheldil | noobmonk3y: while your repo reading thread waits for another chunk of data to arrive from storage, it sleeps and lets your main (GUI) thread to run | 19:28 |
| slonopotamus | Arif_: nope | 19:28 |
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| noobmonk3y | ahhh so import time and sleep(10) | 19:28 |
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| nidO | whats the chance of ionice working on the n900 | 19:29 |
| edheldil | nah, read() results in sleep by itself | 19:29 |
| C-S-B-N900 | ionice? | 19:29 |
| Arif_ | mm, ice | 19:29 |
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| nidO | ionice new to you C-S-B-N900? | 19:29 |
| edheldil | also you could avoid threads completely and the files in a generator :-P | 19:30 |
| * Arif_ never heard of it :D | 19:30 | |
| edheldil | ... read the files ... | 19:30 |
| noobmonk3y | meh sorry, dont understand :( | 19:30 |
| C-S-B-N900 | nidO: perhaps... | 19:30 |
| nidO | http://linux.die.net/man/1/ionice | 19:30 |
| noobmonk3y | my loop is f- or file in os.listdir(dpkg_dir + '/info'): | 19:30 |
| tripzero | heh | 19:30 |
| noobmonk3y | ignore the f, lol - random f :P | 19:31 |
| tripzero | if you need ionice on the n900, you may have other issues | 19:31 |
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| nidO | just running noobmonk3y's code through ionice -c3 would probably help a lot with the device's responsiveness while building that list :p | 19:31 |
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| Shapeshifter | Is there some way of figuring out which desktop widget has gone rampant when all widgets become unresponsive? It's been like this for 15 minutes now, can't use any desktop widgets. htop shows hildon-home to be maxing out at 100%. | 19:34 |
| Shapeshifter | or if I cant just kill off the specific widget, how do I cleanly restart the desktop? | 19:34 |
| nidO | shutdown -r now | 19:35 |
| nidO | should work \o/ | 19:35 |
| Shapeshifter | yeah right. | 19:35 |
| Shapeshifter | of course that doesn't make sense. | 19:35 |
| Shapeshifter | How can I restart just the desktop? | 19:36 |
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| Shapeshifter | meh I just killed it | 19:36 |
| Shapeshifter | it restarted on its own | 19:36 |
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| Shapeshifter | though now some widgets are missing | 19:37 |
| Shapeshifter | ~_~ | 19:37 |
| Shapeshifter | that is some stupid architecture | 19:37 |
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| noobmonk3y | anyway, back to that read thingy | 19:46 |
| noobmonk3y | so threads is not the way..... | 19:47 |
| noobmonk3y | if i'm looping throug files...... as above.... what is the way? | 19:47 |
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| Shapeshifter | noobmonk3y: I just scrolled back, your problem is that you're doing some stuff that takes 2 minutes? | 19:48 |
| noobmonk3y | yup | 19:48 |
| Shapeshifter | and you want it to happen "in background"? | 19:48 |
| noobmonk3y | yup :D | 19:48 |
| noobmonk3y | ie i can see the list updating, but doesnt stop the user doing other things on the device | 19:49 |
| noobmonk3y | at the mo, it waits till the end and dumps stuff into a list..... | 19:49 |
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| noobmonk3y | but after each check i add it to a listbox | 19:49 |
| Shapeshifter | so you want stuff to be added to the list while the user does other things (in contrary to the user doing other things, but the list not fillin up)? | 19:49 |
| Shapeshifter | other things in the same app, that is | 19:49 |
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| noobmonk3y | well... its healthcheck | 19:50 |
| noobmonk3y | so they goto the apps list | 19:50 |
| noobmonk3y | and click load apps.... | 19:50 |
| noobmonk3y | that should either show a loading window | 19:50 |
| noobmonk3y | or load whilst they flip around other tabs really | 19:50 |
| noobmonk3y | sitting there doing nothing is awful.... | 19:50 |
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| Shapeshifter | what toolkit are you using? | 19:51 |
| Shapeshifter | qt? | 19:51 |
| noobmonk3y | yeah py qt | 19:51 |
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| Shapeshifter | you might wanna check out QThread | 19:52 |
| Shapeshifter | QtCore.QThread. | 19:52 |
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| noobmonk3y | http://pastebin.com/EvYUwrZs | 19:52 |
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| noobmonk3y | hmmm tried using threads.... just no decent examples | 19:52 |
| Shapeshifter | noobmonk3y: well, python threads or qt threads | 19:52 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhh | 19:52 |
| noobmonk3y | i was trying python ones | 19:52 |
| Shapeshifter | because you'll need a qt thread if you want to do stuff properly with the gui | 19:52 |
| Shapeshifter | http://dsnra.jpl.nasa.gov/software/Python/QtDesigner4/Threading,_Signals_and_Slots.html the part about threading | 19:53 |
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| Shapeshifter | http://www.commandprompt.com/community/pyqt/x3738 or here somewhere past the middle. There's quite a few tutorials out there and that should do a good job for what you need. | 19:54 |
| noobmonk3y | cool will give it a go :) | 19:54 |
| noobmonk3y | thankee | 19:54 |
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| Shapeshifter | np | 19:55 |
| * Arkenoi wonders how much free space will we need for pr1.2 | 19:55 | |
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| Shapeshifter | Arkenklo: too much probably ^^ | 19:55 |
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| evilrob | I haven't been able to find any hints an an ovi maps update for maemo. should I bother complaining or just shell out $$ for sygic? | 19:57 |
| Arkenklo | wait what, Arkenoi wtf | 19:57 |
| Shapeshifter | evilrob: it might never happen. if you need it now, pay. | 19:57 |
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| Arkenklo | Arkenoi: you better change nick punk | 19:57 |
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| Shapeshifter | Arkenklo: oh, sorry ^^ | 19:58 |
| Shapeshifter | xD | 19:58 |
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| evilrob | Shapeshifter: yeah... that's what I figured. Though once meego gets more complete, it's more likely to have a google maps completed for it (what with the intel involvement) | 19:58 |
| red | aye, anyone know how I should fix broken dependencies? | 19:59 |
| Arkenoi | Arkenklo, i am here longer than you so you change nick. | 19:59 |
| red | have a couple updates pending, but they say im missing stuff like libqtcore | 19:59 |
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| red | apt-get shows "kehildon-initscripts, libkok, to mention a few | 20:00 |
| Arkenklo | Arkenklo is my god damned last name | 20:00 |
| red | kept back* | 20:00 |
| Shapeshifter | red: that's because of the imminent PR1.2 release | 20:00 |
| Pavlov | can anyone think of a reason why apt-get upgrade would show a package update but app manager wouldn't? | 20:00 |
| red | oh | 20:00 |
| Shapeshifter | red: (extras autobuilder now using pr1.2 already) | 20:00 |
| red | so some packages are already updated but they aren't yet compatible with the current build | 20:01 |
| ShadowJK | Pavlov: app manager only shows updates for stuff in user/ | 20:01 |
| Shapeshifter | red: yeah | 20:01 |
| Pavlov | ShadowJK: hmm | 20:01 |
| red | i've been using apt-get upgrade a few times so that might be the source of my problems | 20:01 |
| Shapeshifter | red: nah everyone has these problems now. | 20:01 |
| red | kk | 20:01 |
| red | i'm using sambaclient and a few other things not in the base repo | 20:02 |
| red | is there yet any changelog for the ucpoming pr 1.2? | 20:02 |
| Shapeshifter | red: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2 | 20:02 |
| * Arkenoi does not see too many people with last names as nick here, so who cares? | 20:02 | |
| Pavlov | ShadowJK: i'm pretty certain this is in user/ | 20:03 |
| MohammadAG | red, changes from the SDK and a list of bugs fixed | 20:03 |
| ShadowJK | Pavlov, is it a library? | 20:03 |
| |R | i keep doing apt-get upgrade too, though the backup works great so you can flash and restore very easily... (much more than trying to fit things that don't all over the place) | 20:03 |
| red | i just find the app manager updating a bit annoying | 20:03 |
| red | it tends to lock up keyboard at times and you have to wait a lot and its bit unresponsive too | 20:03 |
| Pavlov | ShadowJK: it is in user/network | 20:04 |
| |R | red: agreed :) | 20:04 |
| Pavlov | we're trying to put out a 1.0.1 update to fennec, the versions are all right etc | 20:05 |
| Pavlov | i've been having a lot of install problems since the last software update to maemo | 20:05 |
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| MohammadAG | Does the Wifi protected setup thing work? | 20:09 |
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| Pavlov | ShadowJK: do you know if there was something changed related to weird signing of repos/packages? | 20:10 |
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| ShadowJK | I don't really follow it, but I did see things about qt apps | 20:12 |
| Pavlov | apt is always complaining about not knowing about the signature of our repo | 20:12 |
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| ShadowJK | Oh, is there a fennec in maemo.org repos as well as your own? | 20:13 |
| ShadowJK | i think apt gives priority to extras over third party repos | 20:13 |
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| woglinde | hms | 20:14 |
| woglinde | I only want to choose btw. diffrent kernels | 20:14 |
| woglinde | not os | 20:14 |
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| ShadowJK | i guess disabling extras on device would help there :/ | 20:16 |
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| uhsf | one thing that really sucks on the n900 is that usb power is not enough to recharge the battery when the screen is on | 20:19 |
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| giampy18 | Ola Amigos | 20:19 |
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| ior-_ | i gpr probs with skype on my n900 :/ | 20:20 |
| ior-_ | got | 20:20 |
| * tripzero wonders when the next firmware update will land... | 20:21 | |
| Pavlov | ShadowJK: there is a 1.0.0 that is in the ovi store repo, and i've got a 1.0.1 in another repo | 20:21 |
| Pavlov | something is triggering it to not like installing | 20:21 |
| Pavlov | if i use a .install file i get a fennec is already installed | 20:21 |
| Pavlov | we're testing on a not-current-maemo device | 20:22 |
| Pavlov | app manager doesn't generate logs anywhere does it? | 20:22 |
| woglinde | use apt-get from the konsole | 20:23 |
| Pavlov | apt-get works | 20:23 |
| Pavlov | app manager does not :/ | 20:24 |
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| Pavlov | wonder fi it works better if we get rid of our gpg signing | 20:26 |
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| ShadowJK | Pavlov, what if you disable the other repos? | 20:35 |
| Pavlov | ShadowJK: let me check | 20:35 |
| Arkenoi | which protocol plugins pack for contacts is recommended - "extras" one or "pidgin" one? given the set itself is satisfying in both cases, just implementation matters | 20:36 |
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| Arkenoi | fuck! seems that "extra" one does not correctly uninstall :-/ | 20:48 |
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| Arkenoi | and it is exactly that one which does not work properly, for sure :-/ | 20:49 |
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| GAN900 | Pavlov, push it to a repo that isn't broken. :) | 20:55 |
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| Pavlov | GAN900: heh | 20:56 |
| Pavlov | well, we need to test it first;p | 20:56 |
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| Pavlov | ShadowJK: still nothing with all repos disabled except that one | 20:58 |
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| Shapeshifter | omeather only has this blueish background, right? | 20:59 |
| Shapeshifter | there's no grey background for it, is there? | 21:00 |
| mamalmqv | Hi! I'm looking for some help on how to create maemo deb files out of my Qt build. Anyone? | 21:00 |
| mza-_ | is PR1.2 out? | 21:00 |
| mza-_ | seeing that it is on some blogs | 21:00 |
| mza-_ | some say just the SDK | 21:00 |
| Shapeshifter | mza-_: april the 1st | 21:00 |
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| mza-_ | jerks | 21:01 |
| mza-_ | <3 | 21:01 |
| Scorpiion | Hi, I would like to ask about GSoC and the Oscilloscope project... is speculatrix in here? | 21:02 |
| Arkenoi | omfg - hercules ported to maemo! :-)) | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | scope project? | 21:02 |
| Scorpiion | DocScrutinizer: yes | 21:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wonder how that's going to work... | 21:04 |
| Scorpiion | DocScrutinizer: I'm majoring in electronics and computer sience and actualy just ordered a "real" Oscilloscope today... a Rigol DS1052E... so I think it sounds like a really fun project and that I might be good suited for it.. :) | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah rigol :-D | 21:05 |
| Scorpiion | yeah been looking at it for a long time now... | 21:06 |
| Scorpiion | but after Dave's (eevblog.com have been following him since day one and looked at the scope since he showed it in an early episode) just hacked it (some other people might have done the job but he posted how it did it on his) I decieded to get one! :) | 21:07 |
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| Scorpiion | the makes it a 100Mhz just by sending a few serial commands to it and it transfer into an Rigol DS1152E.. :D | 21:07 |
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| Scorpiion | if anyone is interesed in the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnhXfVYWYXE&feature=player_embedded | 21:09 |
| Scorpiion | DocScrutinizer: there is no possible mentor on the wiki.. do you know of anyone possible? yourself maybe? | 21:11 |
| Shapeshifter | that dude is a tad weird. | 21:11 |
| lcuk | Scorpiion, jeeesus, i remember when oscilliscopes were deep heavy style boxen | 21:11 |
| Scorpiion | lcuk: hehe yeah thing get smaller.. and more plastic.. :P | 21:12 |
| Scorpiion | things | 21:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Scorpiion: http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/README http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/usbtmc.c | 21:12 |
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| lcuk | yeah Scorpiion totally | 21:13 |
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| lcuk | you could get a hernia carrying proper scopes | 21:13 |
| balazsbela | hey all, I can't seem to get af-sb-init to start | 21:13 |
| balazsbela | http://pastebin.com/MeQy9YMQ | 21:13 |
| Shapeshifter | heh. http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5841.txt | 21:14 |
| Shapeshifter | good one | 21:14 |
| Arif_ | http://www.google.co.uk/intl/en/landing/translateforanimals/ | 21:14 |
| Arif_ | HEH | 21:14 |
| Arif_ | :) | 21:14 |
| Scorpiion | DocScrutinizer: interesting stuff.. :) | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Scorpiion: I have no idea about the duties of a mentor, and I somewhat doubt I'm the right person for such a role | 21:15 |
| balazsbela | could anyone help with this please ? | 21:16 |
| balazsbela | http://pastebin.com/MeQy9YMQ | 21:16 |
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| Scorpiion | DocScrutinizer: okey.. well I guess it depends of course.. but if you know a little how the community works.. know some people here... know some about Oscilloscopes.. some about maemo development.. would have a little time over to talk some times a week.. | 21:18 |
| Scorpiion | DocScrutinizer: well then you might be.. :) | 21:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I know enough about scopes, and I have a litle spare time, not sure about the remaining points | 21:21 |
| Pavlov | is there a way to get logs from the application manager? | 21:22 |
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| Pavlov | oh | 21:22 |
| Pavlov | there is | 21:22 |
| woglinde | Pavlov again use apt-get on console | 21:23 |
| woglinde | hi javis | 21:23 |
| Pavlov | "ignoring version from wrong domain:" | 21:23 |
| Pavlov | woglinde: apt-get works | 21:23 |
| javispedro | hello wog | 21:23 |
| mamalmqv | Trying to build Qt deb packages. "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b" seems to do the trick. can anyone confirm this is THE way to do it? | 21:23 |
| Scorpiion | okey well I think in genreal the most importent part is that you know enough about scopes... there are a lot of people here that can help as well with pure maemo/qt stuff compared to those who know scopes good.. :) | 21:23 |
| woglinde | mamalmqv why you need to build qt packages your self? | 21:24 |
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| woglinde | building qt lasts longer than building glibc | 21:24 |
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| mamalmqv | woglinde, because I need the latest defect fixes from the qit repo | 21:25 |
| * Pavlov wonders what that means | 21:26 | |
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| Scorpiion | DocScrutinizer: or what do you think? | 21:26 |
| mamalmqv | woglinde, sorry that's git repo, and nothing else | 21:27 |
| woglinde | mamalmqv I am mostly using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | Scorpiion: you can ask me about scopes any time and all you want | 21:28 |
| woglinde | mamalmqv be aware that you have to edit debian/changelog | 21:28 |
| woglinde | otherwise apt-get will always overwrite your packages | 21:28 |
| Scorpiion | DocScrutinizer: that's good to know! :) | 21:29 |
| mamalmqv | woglinde, I had already build the binaries, just wanted to package them up, but now dpkg-buildpackage seems to clean everything and start over... :( | 21:29 |
| woglinde | mamalmqv yes | 21:29 |
| Pavlov | woglinde: do you have any idea what that "ignoring version from wrong domain" means? | 21:29 |
| woglinde | thats the debian way | 21:29 |
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| woglinde | Pavlov pastebin your sources.list | 21:29 |
| Scorpiion | DocScrutinizer: are you usually hanging out here? I just thought if you knew anyone who might want to mentor this project? | 21:29 |
| woglinde | ~pastebin | 21:30 |
| infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. | 21:30 |
| mamalmqv | woglinde, no I was not. how so? | 21:30 |
| woglinde | mamalmqv dpkg-buildpackage always run clean | 21:30 |
| woglinde | mamalmqv edit changelog? | 21:30 |
| Pavlov | woglinde: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/712145 is the only thing in my sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 21:30 |
| Pavlov | my sources.list is empty | 21:31 |
| mamalmqv | woglinde, yes, what do I need to edit? | 21:31 |
| woglinde | mamalmqv if you arent a monkey you can learn the format of changelog at look into it | 21:31 |
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| woglinde | Pavlov whats your device? | 21:32 |
| Pavlov | a n900? | 21:32 |
| woglinde | lol | 21:32 |
| mamalmqv | woglinde, I'm sure I can, but maybe you can tell me why I need to edit it? | 21:32 |
| woglinde | chinook is from 2007 | 21:33 |
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| Pavlov | yes i know | 21:33 |
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| Pavlov | the build is fine | 21:33 |
| Scorpiion | DocScrutinizer: even if your not suited to be a mentor, here is what maemo wiki says about being a mentor http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2010/Mentors#How_to_become_a_mentor :) | 21:33 |
| woglinde | pavlov it will not run on n900 so far | 21:33 |
| Pavlov | it will | 21:33 |
| woglinde | mamalmqv as I said if you run apt-get afterwars | 21:33 |
| Pavlov | the bits are the same | 21:33 |
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| woglinde | it will overinstall your made packages | 21:33 |
| Pavlov | 1.1 will be built with the fremantle sdk | 21:34 |
| woglinde | you have to bump the version atleast | 21:34 |
| woglinde | o.O ? | 21:34 |
| woglinde | Pavlov okay sorry than I cant help you with your error | 21:34 |
| Pavlov | you don't know what it means? | 21:35 |
| Pavlov | we have no deps on anything in the sdk newer than chinook | 21:35 |
| Pavlov | so no real reason to update build machines | 21:35 |
| javispedro | "The Comparable is that the video running on 16 bit Windows, you become like the image appears in the photo gallery of the N900. " | 21:35 |
| javispedro | Beatiful. It's like Haiku. | 21:35 |
| javispedro | only better. | 21:35 |
| Pavlov | (we are using the newer compiler tho) | 21:35 |
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| LuciusMare | Anybody working on xbmc port for maemo? | 21:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | who did the xchat banners thing? | 21:40 |
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| javispedro | rst38h is the maintainer, he'll know | 21:41 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | xbmc -- Skeleton package. | 21:42 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | this one? | 21:42 |
| * SpeedEvil was idly wondering about opening links from messages in banera. | 21:42 | |
| SpeedEvil | banners. | 21:42 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | I've installed LyX in easy debian, worked great! | 21:42 |
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| Pavlov | is the problem because i have one version installed from one domain and am trying to update from another? | 21:43 |
| mamalmqv | woglinde: do you know how I can get the make command that dpkg-buildpackage runs to use more threads? when I compiled manually before I used "make -j 12" for my quad-core HT CPU, and it completed in about 20min | 21:43 |
| mamalmqv | now it runs a lot slower | 21:43 |
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| woglinde | malamqv hm maybee the deb stuff in mameo is recent enough | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | Scorpiion: well, obviously the mentor role is highly sw centrc, while my 'contributions to the opensource coomunity in general' are more like ranting on IRC, and things like http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/GTA02/Schematics_Freerunner-GTA02_A5-A7cumulative_public_RC0.pdf | 21:44 |
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| woglinde | try -j | 21:45 |
| mamalmqv | :) Will next time | 21:45 |
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| LuciusMare | Anybody working on xbmc port for maemo? | 21:45 |
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| woglinde | Doc is good at ranting | 21:46 |
| LuciusMare | I found several outdated threads on tmo, and none of them was positive anyway | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | hrhrhrr | 21:46 |
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| mamalmqv | woglinde: -j doesn't work... :-s | 21:47 |
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| woglinde | mamalmqv hm there was one option to set make variables | 21:48 |
| javispedro | Ranting is nice. But those tmoers get mad at me when I rant about the missing IR receiver! | 21:48 |
| woglinde | args variable | 21:48 |
| javispedro | I don't understand them :( | 21:48 |
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| LuciusMare | What missing irc reciever | 21:48 |
| LuciusMare | ? | 21:48 |
| evilrob | development question. my first run at a maemo compat program. I have a source package in C. I have the maemo5 sdk installed and sbox running on my system. I select the ARM target in sb-menu, and when I run ./configure on the src, configure returns that it can't run C programs, expecting me to define host type with --host. using --host=ARM failes with "configure: error: /bin/sh ./config.sub ARM failed". I'm clearly missing something. | 21:48 |
| Pavlov | sigh | 21:49 |
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| javispedro | evilrob: "can't run C programs" means that most probably the target setup is borked. I'd try to build something without autoconf first and if it fails reinstall the sdk. | 21:49 |
| javispedro | LuciusMare: IR receiver! ;) | 21:49 |
| woglinde | javispedro ir revceiver is dead | 21:50 |
| woglinde | no one used it | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: tmo is mad by def | 21:50 |
| woglinde | in laptops | 21:50 |
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| woglinde | only early cellphones without bluetooth | 21:50 |
| Scorpiion | DocScrutinizer: oh interesting! Working with OrCad and circuit design in school right now... it's fun! :) | 21:50 |
| javispedro | woglinde: "early" as in "a decade" of cellphones. | 21:50 |
| woglinde | hm coolio that should work | 21:50 |
| mamalmqv | woglinde: were you just thinking out loud, or was that a suggestion? | 21:50 |
| woglinde | mamalmqv both | 21:51 |
| javispedro | a decade an five years, or even more. | 21:51 |
| * LuciusMare points at 99% of TVs | 21:51 | |
| Scorpiion | DocScrutinizer: well you don't have to be a mentor either.. but if I know I can ask you stuff and that you will hang out here then that would make it easier to find a other "real" mentor if he knew that there were someone else to asist on the scope parts.. :) | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | Scorpiion: no problem | 21:52 |
| LuciusMare | You would be able to control your phone with a tv remote! :o | 21:52 |
| woglinde | mamalmqv try DEB_BUILD_OPTION="parallel=4" dpkg-buildpackage | 21:52 |
| woglinde | LuciusMare sure | 21:53 |
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| woglinde | hm anyone knows how big a kernel for n810 kernelpartition can be grow | 21:53 |
| Scorpiion | DocScrutinizer: thanks then you would not mind if I mentioned it at the maillist? | 21:53 |
| Scorpiion | just want to be sure so I don't piss you of.. :P haha | 21:54 |
| woglinde | my Idea is to put a recent kernel there with the lowest possible drivers enabled and initramfs | 21:54 |
| woglinde | with kexec | 21:54 |
| woglinde | so I can boot diffrente kernels without hassle | 21:54 |
| javispedro | uh, good luck. | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | Scorpiion: go ahead :-) | 21:54 |
| evilrob | looks like I don't have the cputransp package installed. fixing that | 21:54 |
| Scorpiion | DocScrutinizer: thanks! :) | 21:55 |
| mamalmqv | woglinde: all on one line? that gives http://pastebin.com/9d7drpDy | 21:55 |
| * Pavlov hates debian packaging stuff so much | 21:55 | |
| woglinde | Pavlov I like it | 21:55 |
| Pavlov | it would be fine if it was better documented and worked as expected | 21:55 |
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| * mamalmqv tries exporting DEB_BUILD_OPTION="parallel=4" | 21:57 | |
| evilrob | jdav_gone: thanks for the tip. hello_world.c gave me a useful error message after I compiled it in sbox | 21:57 |
| woglinde | Pavlov dont blame debian because of nokia dont use recent debhelper stuff | 21:58 |
| mamalmqv | woglinde: ah, http://osdir.com/ml/debian-policy/2009-03/msg00112.html suggests that should work... | 21:58 |
| woglinde | hm by the way you can use debhelper7 with maemo5 | 21:58 |
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| * mamalmqv bumps the threads to 12 | 21:58 | |
| Pavlov | i have workign packages, working repository, just not working application manager | 21:58 |
| woglinde | mamalmqv you forgot -rfakeroot | 21:59 |
| woglinde | Pavlov sure because you are trying chinook on fremantle | 21:59 |
| Pavlov | there are a handful of "Ignoring version from wrong domain" posts | 21:59 |
| Pavlov | woglinde: hm? | 21:59 |
| Pavlov | i can symlink the directory if you think that will make a difference | 22:00 |
| Pavlov | but it is, well, a directory | 22:00 |
| woglinde | no | 22:00 |
| woglinde | you forget the Packages/Pakcages.gz files | 22:00 |
| Pavlov | what about them? | 22:01 |
| woglinde | thats what apt-get is reading | 22:01 |
| Pavlov | yep | 22:01 |
| Pavlov | woglinde: i can install this repo directly, but not if i have an earlier version installed | 22:01 |
| Pavlov | something about the upgrade is hosing it | 22:02 |
| Pavlov | this repo and the packages in it | 22:02 |
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| Scorpiion | how "good" is the emulator? can you develop maemo application without an actual device or is it best to have some device as well? | 22:03 |
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| woglinde | Scorpiion depends | 22:03 |
| woglinde | Scorpiion if you develop with the dsp | 22:03 |
| Pavlov | woglinde: does what i said make sense? | 22:03 |
| woglinde | a device may helpful | 22:03 |
| woglinde | pavlov I dont know if you bump the version of the packages right | 22:04 |
| woglinde | thats what my magic class isnt telling me | 22:04 |
| woglinde | glass | 22:04 |
| woglinde | hrms | 22:04 |
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| Pavlov | Version: 1.0.1, old Packages file has Version: 1.0.0 | 22:04 |
| woglinde | hm hm that should work building kexec-image with openembedded | 22:04 |
| woglinde | and flash it onto the kernel partition | 22:04 |
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| Scorpiion | woglinde: okey... was thinking of the scope project.. hm.. | 22:06 |
| Pavlov | the packages aren't making it in to the dpkg available file | 22:06 |
| woglinde | Pavlov so your Packages(.gz) is wrong | 22:07 |
| Pavlov | woglinde: any idea what in there would be wrong? | 22:08 |
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| Pavlov | only thing i could think of is the filename and its path | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Scorpiion: you're aware N900 has no USB hostmode (yet)? | 22:11 |
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| Scorpiion | DocScrutinizer: no I'm not.. | 22:12 |
| corecode | yea, how's that going | 22:12 |
| kpel | really? | 22:12 |
| kpel | i thought that was sorted our years ago | 22:13 |
| Pavlov | woglinde: do you know if there is a reference package for the packages file anywhere? | 22:13 |
| javispedro | it's waiting for usbhost kernel hacker :) | 22:13 |
| kpel | s/our/out/ | 22:13 |
| infobot | kpel meant: i thought that was sorted out years ago | 22:13 |
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| kpel | heh, cool bot feature | 22:13 |
| marcusmoller | heya | 22:13 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | It seems the N900 has no USB host mode because the European commission adviced against it in some technical document | 22:13 |
| marcusmoller | is it likely that the accelorometer can be broken? | 22:14 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | I've read something like that | 22:14 |
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| marcusmoller | when im playing bounce, it goes right all the time :s | 22:14 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | So, virtually no mobile device sold in Europe has USB host mode | 22:14 |
| kpel | the EC doesn't want us to have host mode? weird | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Scorpiion: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=588950#post588950 | 22:14 |
| Scorpiion | will read that now :) | 22:14 |
| wiretapped | changing the timezone in maemo is broken | 22:14 |
| wiretapped | the time didn't change | 22:15 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | for me it worked. What's your timezone? | 22:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ptl_wants_PR12: that sounds weird. Pointer please. I guess you're mistaken by the recent mandatory USB-charging | 22:16 |
| wiretapped | it was PDT (GMT-7); I just changed it to GMT+0 | 22:16 |
| marcusmoller | how can i check if my accelorometer is broken | 22:16 |
| wiretapped | oh i'm not on PR1.1 yet >_> | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | marcusmoller: liqacceltest app | 22:17 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | DocScrutinizer: well, I'll have to google for it, there are some weeks I've read that | 22:18 |
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| Arif_ | marcusmoller, if the phone app doesn't start when you shake the phone like crazy :) | 22:18 |
| marcusmoller | using apt-get? | 22:18 |
| marcusmoller | what app? | 22:18 |
| javispedro | such a boring april fools, all your fault Arif_ ! | 22:18 |
| Arif_ | javispedro, youtube has ascii videos | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | marcusmoller: it's in HAM when you enable the devel repo | 22:19 |
| Arif_ | and google translate has an option to translate to animal speak :D | 22:19 |
| Arif_ | marcusmoller, you can try the eye widget too | 22:19 |
| marcusmoller | tbh, it doesnt change when holding the input thing down | 22:19 |
| marcusmoller | should it start? | 22:19 |
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| Arif_ | hold it vertically and shake the phone somewhat | 22:19 |
| Arif_ | I don't know if its enabled by default though.. | 22:20 |
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| Arif_ | I have shake2control installed but it only works half the time xD | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arif_: wtf?? | 22:20 |
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| marcusmoller | wtf what? | 22:20 |
| mamalmqv | woglinde: there was an S missing from the end of DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS you suggested... | 22:20 |
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| * mamalmqv cooking with gas | 22:20 | |
| Arif_ | ?? | 22:20 |
| Arif_ | what? | 22:20 |
| Arif_ | what did I do now -.- | 22:20 |
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| woglinde | mamalmqv hm opps sorry | 22:21 |
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| mamalmqv | woglinde: now if only I could stop it building webkit... | 22:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | in phone app you can enable rotation and 'start on rotate' - I nebver heard about shake2start | 22:21 |
| woglinde | mamalmqv edit configure stuff | 22:22 |
| woglinde | remove webkit package from debian/control | 22:22 |
| Arif_ | no no | 22:22 |
| Arif_ | shake2control is a widget | 22:22 |
| marcusmoller | what phone app? | 22:22 |
| Arif_ | to control the media app | 22:22 |
| Arif_ | but the phone app never starts when I just hold it vertically | 22:22 |
| Arif_ | I have to shake the phone to tell it its in vertical position :) | 22:22 |
| mamalmqv | k | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | 'start on rotate/portrait' only works from desktop or taskswitcher | 22:23 |
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| ptl_wants_PR12 | DocScrutinizer: http://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/read/357290e62ac611dfaf06fdba48a7a3f3a3f3/ | 22:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Arif_: it starts on transition to vertical. So hold it flat or landscape for a few seconds, then turn to vertical. WFM | 22:25 |
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| Arif_ | maybe I fail at turning the phone :) | 22:25 |
| marcusmoller | okay ffs it doesnt rotate even thiugh its turned on | 22:26 |
| marcusmoller | and bounce is going straight right all the time | 22:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | marcusmoller: it only works when on desktop, and doing a clean transition from flat to vertical, and when enabled both options in dialer app menu | 22:27 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | DocScrutinizer: have you read the URL? | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | ptl_wants_PR12: nah, not even noticed. whart is it? | 22:28 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | DocScrutinizer: http://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/read/357290e62ac611dfaf06fdba48a7a3f3a3f3/ | 22:28 |
| marcusmoller | im at desktop and turning clockwise but no success | 22:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, fix your signature! | 22:28 |
| javispedro | I want my invisibility cloak first! | 22:28 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | maybe the URL is not sent to the channel when I am using a non-registered nickname | 22:28 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | did you get it? | 22:28 |
| javispedro | And I want all the secrets | 22:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mmm | 22:28 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | *an unregistered nickname | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | marcusmoller: I suggest liqacceltest | 22:28 |
| javispedro | The Nokia and council hidden stargate! where they hide it! | 22:29 |
| RST38h | javispedro,General: So, gentlemen, can we expect a working autobuilder / promotion process, finally? | 22:29 |
| marcusmoller | sad thing im at my gf atm | 22:29 |
| RST38h | Or maybe you can at least try fixing the current problem at hand (autobuilder building packages for pr1.2 which nobody has) | 22:29 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | Nokia should release PR1.2 even if there are remaining bugs, because at the current state the installation of programs is completely broken. This is not the correct way to handle your customers. | 22:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aah, usb hostmode | 22:29 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: instead of that, you say that someone opened the pandora's box about ti calculator roms licensing (again) ? | 22:30 |
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| javispedro | s/say/saw | 22:30 |
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| * javispedro goes fix the signature :) | 22:31 | |
| * Arif_ throws a zeemote at javispedro | 22:32 | |
| * javispedro grabs the zeemote and decides to keep it. | 22:32 | |
| javispedro | thanks. | 22:32 |
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| ptl_wants_PR12 | running LyX in my cellphone. I am still amazed by that. | 22:33 |
| Arif_ | there needs to be a zeemote with 10 buttons | 22:33 |
| * Arif_ sends ptl_wants_PR12 PR12.1 | 22:33 | |
| satmd | :p | 22:33 |
| Pavlov | i think i'm being bit in the ass by the ovi store packages | 22:33 |
| Pavlov | grr | 22:33 |
| Arif_ | what packages? | 22:33 |
| Pavlov | fennec ones | 22:34 |
| Arif_ | you bought snow fairy episode 4? | 22:34 |
| * ptl_wants_PR12 runs PR12.1 and sees a laughing skull and then his mothership blows up. | 22:34 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ptl_wants_PR12: in that post (your URL) there's quite a lot of hearsay and false info/conclusions. And I don't know the mentioned MoU | 22:34 |
| * RST38h infects PR1.2 with bubonic plague and spreads it | 22:34 | |
| javispedro | end of the world as we know it. | 22:34 |
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| * Arif_ adds a pink theme to PR1.2 | 22:35 | |
| * microlith rages at the background daemons killing his device | 22:35 | |
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| microlith | is there a way to use cgroups to restrict process cpu usage? | 22:35 |
| Arif_ | will go nicely with the pink styli ! <3 | 22:35 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: It is Flandry again | 22:35 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | DocScrutinizer: what ares the true facts? Even if that is hearsay, it seems a plausible reason for not having usb host mode. | 22:36 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | s/ares/are/ | 22:36 |
| infobot | ptl_wants_PR12 meant: DocScrutinizer: what are the true facts? Even if that is hearsay, it seems a plausible reason for not having usb host mode. | 22:36 |
| javispedro | RST38h: oh, I though it was a oct2009er | 22:36 |
| javispedro | either way, fortunately, they're not periodically pinging about the issue. | 22:36 |
| RST38h | javispedro: The guy REALLY wants to make a difference. Through legislation, most likely because it is the easiest way | 22:36 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | DocScrutinizer: is there such a recommendation? | 22:36 |
| javispedro | but I guess something will have to be done about it | 22:36 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: Dunno. I would say, removing anything remotely modern and waiting for possible takedown notice on the rest is the best way of action. | 22:38 |
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| ptl_wants_PR12 | legislation... | 22:38 |
| javispedro | That's what I do. Though they rebated with "why? everything's illegal, immoral, and wrong in the eyes of god" | 22:38 |
| javispedro | s/I do/I'd do | 22:38 |
| RST38h | javispedro: And I have done that already. Will most likely yank TI83 as well (if it is still there, anyway), and the rest is really archaic | 22:39 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I have seen this discussion many many times over since 1993 | 22:39 |
| javispedro | RST38h: and has TI ever moved a finger about it? | 22:39 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Believe me, everything said in that thread has been said before, multiple times | 22:39 |
| RST38h | javispedro: No | 22:39 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | in the beginning of this year the most famous brazilian blog about nokia phones, called nokiabr, received a cease-and-desist letter from Nokia's lawyers. The guy immediately took down his blog and de-registered the domain. Nokia really shot its foot in this case, because the blog was a giant marketing stand for Nokia with hundreds of tips and tutorials. | 22:39 |
| javispedro | RST38h: pft. | 22:40 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | The reason of the C&D letter was that the blog used the word 'nokia' in its title. | 22:40 |
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| mamalmqv | woglinde: the packages are being built now. thanks! :) | 22:40 |
| javispedro | dunno RST38h, what would you say if we were to tell "you can put the almostti in extras, but host the roms yourself and make the app download them on first boot"? | 22:41 |
| RST38h | javispedro: You know what I will do. | 22:41 |
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| javispedro | I think I do ... :P | 22:41 |
| javispedro | well, brb | 22:41 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | 'Nokia' seems more like a japanese word than a finnish word. | 22:42 |
| RST38h | javispedro: If you do not, consider the loops I have had to jump through to get into Extras in the first place, multiply by the number of packages I maintain | 22:42 |
| javispedro | yes | 22:42 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Guess what I will do. | 22:42 |
| javispedro | the Khertan strategy | 22:42 |
| * RST38h takes his crystal ball back from javispedro | 22:42 | |
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| RST38h | Gazing into it gets addictive after a time | 22:42 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | Khertan strategy? Doesit have to do with complaining about the difficult of promoting your package? | 22:43 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | or about setting up a separate repository? | 22:43 |
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| javispedro | it's better seen live, in the mailing lists. | 22:43 |
| * microlith boggles at the ovi store | 22:43 | |
| javispedro | brb as I said | 22:43 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | shouldnt bluetooth turn off after you have used it? | 22:44 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | why? | 22:44 |
| C-S-B-N900 | unless explicitly turned on by you. | 22:44 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | I don't think so | 22:44 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | it's good to have that cute symbol in your systray. | 22:44 |
| C-S-B-N900 | well if i choose to share an image by sending over bluetooth, i dont need bluetooth any longer than needed for the xfer. | 22:45 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | well, maybe that should be the case if you are invisible. | 22:45 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | I let my bluetooth always visible... | 22:45 |
| C-S-B-N900 | if i did, id have turned it on. | 22:45 |
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| microlith | wow | 22:47 |
| microlith | $2 for ~24 minutes of video crushed to 33MB | 22:47 |
| * microlith bets its dubbed, too | 22:48 | |
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| woglinde | seems I made 3 people happy this day | 22:56 |
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| ptl_wants_PR12 | how? | 22:57 |
| woglinde | giving advices | 22:57 |
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| javispedro | god, tmo is losing its remaining sanity quickly these days. | 23:06 |
| javispedro | i wonder what will happen when 1.2 is released. | 23:06 |
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| Arif_ | javispedro, people will complain about PR1.3 | 23:06 |
| Arif_ | ;) | 23:06 |
| RST38h | javispedro: will get quiet for a few days, then they start complaining about pr1.3 | 23:07 |
| corecode | neh | 23:07 |
| javispedro | "quiet"? | 23:07 |
| corecode | they will instantly complain | 23:07 |
| javispedro | exactly | 23:07 |
| RST38h | quiet as everyone is installing pr1.2 | 23:07 |
| javispedro | they will start complaining that pr1.2 didn't cure world hunger | 23:07 |
| Arif_ | why would you wait to complain! | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | they'll complain about not enough memory in target location | 23:08 |
| corecode | is there a way to just get a platform without whiny people? | 23:08 |
| MohammadAG | more disappointment threads | 23:08 |
| MohammadAG | more FUD | 23:08 |
| MohammadAG | new trolls | 23:08 |
| SpeedEvil | or if it did, that it contributes to overpopulation | 23:08 |
| Arif_ | oh and 2 people will ask how to install it because they have too much on their rootfs | 23:08 |
| RST38h | fun fun fun | 23:08 |
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| MohammadAG | THEN they'll complain about pr1.3 | 23:08 |
| Nitial | my PR goes to 11! | 23:08 |
| RST38h | Maybe I will get to haunt a few unfortunate bozos into suicide or something | 23:09 |
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| ptl_wants_PR12 | talks about that a lot | 23:12 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | stamps then with 'fixed in PR1.2' | 23:12 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | releases its changelog | 23:12 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | releases the SDK with it | 23:12 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | but doesn't release the damn PR1.2!!!! | 23:12 |
| RST38h | javispedro: the register actually came up with a better qualification for this madness | 23:12 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | meanwhile the repositories get broken | 23:12 |
| SpeedEvil | pr1.2 released. | 23:13 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | because the software asks for new versions of the APIs. | 23:13 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, late april fools? | 23:13 |
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| javispedro | SpeedEvil: better hide from tmo for a while then ;) | 23:13 |
| SpeedEvil | uk pr1.2 released in another 2 months | 23:13 |
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| corecode | what's up with these intl PRs? | 23:13 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | I doubt it, but I'll refresh once more | 23:13 |
| corecode | i have no idea what i am running | 23:13 |
| corecode | imported from the US | 23:13 |
| MohammadAG | don't waste server bandwidth | 23:13 |
| corecode | then updated via appmgr | 23:14 |
| corecode | ptl_wants_PR12: what do you mean, repos get broken? | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG | packages have broken dependencies | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG | try installing ukeyboard or psx4all | 23:14 |
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| ptl_wants_PR12 | corecode: I mean that ---> http://www.btmon.com/Video/Movies/Silence_of_the_Lambs_-_Hannibal_Complete.torrent | 23:15 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | ooops | 23:15 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | lol | 23:15 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | SORRY | 23:15 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | pasted it wrong | 23:18 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | corecode: I mean that ---> http://nokia-n900.com/broken-packages-half-good-news/ | 23:18 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | sorry for the torrent... wrong stuff in the clipboard... really! don't kick me | 23:18 |
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| javispedro | a pirate I was meant to be, meant to be... | 23:18 |
| * MohammadAG kicks ptl_wants_PR12 | 23:18 | |
| RST38h | javispedro: "The first iPads reviews are up, pushing reviewers to their very limits in the search for superlatives worthy of the sublime magnificence bestowed upon them." <== the brits know their sarcasm very well | 23:18 |
| RST38h | ~lart ptl_wants_pr12 | 23:18 |
| * infobot teaches ptl_wants_pr12 that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. | 23:18 | |
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| * javispedro thinks youtube's cc is ridiculous. a subtitle just read "cut bill's throat!" | 23:18 | |
| corecode | watching house? | 23:18 |
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| javispedro | not exactly.. | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG | lol that's nothing, what balloon do you want got cc'd into what blood do you want | 23:18 |
| corecode | wait, it wouldn't make that out of cutthroad bitch | 23:18 |
| corecode | nevermind | 23:18 |
| corecode | cutthroat* | 23:19 |
| javispedro | RST38h: ah, the completely unbiased, accurate reporting and reviewing of bloggers.... | 23:19 |
| corecode | hey yo how do i get black background in xterm, and is it a good idea? | 23:19 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | I do use it | 23:19 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | it uses less battery power | 23:19 |
| javispedro | you can actually change the colors in font settings | 23:19 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | and also feels nicer | 23:19 |
| corecode | ah | 23:20 |
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| corecode | see, i didn't even look into font | 23:20 |
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| corecode | does it consume noticably less power? | 23:20 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | and I also customize my shell prompt to be multi-colored. | 23:20 |
| corecode | i need zsh for that | 23:20 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | export PS1='\e[93m[\e[96m\u\e[92m@\e[96mn900 \e[92m\W\033[93m\]\033[95m%\e[0m ' | 23:20 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | not really | 23:20 |
| corecode | does that work with easydebian? | 23:20 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | even the busybox shells accepts it | 23:20 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | yes | 23:20 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | and also with the default terminal app running busybox | 23:20 |
| corecode | zsh + git? | 23:20 |
| corecode | that would be good | 23:21 |
| corecode | yea, i don't like that shell | 23:21 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | I also use zsh in my laptop... | 23:21 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | I'll try it later in easy debian | 23:21 |
| corecode | thanks for reporting back | 23:21 |
| timeless_mbp | Arif_: why bother? | 23:21 |
| timeless_mbp | we partially break catorize | 23:22 |
| timeless_mbp | we partially break the osk | 23:22 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | bah, fooled again, the refresh didn't return anything -- <SpeedEvil> pr1.2 released. | 23:22 |
| Arif_ | at leat I know they can't break the media player even more | 23:22 |
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| Arif_ | :D | 23:22 |
| timeless_mbp | (well, technically the osk just has a tiny regression iirc) | 23:22 |
| corecode | ptl_wants_PR12: hahah | 23:22 |
| SpeedEvil | ptl_wants_PR12, that was continuing on the timeline into the future using historical tense. | 23:23 |
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| ptl_wants_PR12 | SpeedEvil: you are sadistic, the last time I did that I was kicked from this channel | 23:24 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 23:25 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | but I am just amused :D I refresh 20 times a day anyway | 23:25 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs at message banners. | 23:25 | |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | My N900 is very hot from updating | 23:25 |
| timeless_mbp | we break the ability to reflash just the eMMC :) | 23:26 |
| timeless_mbp | (since a significant portion of the os lives there...) | 23:26 |
| * SpeedEvil was at 7000 on blocks when that hit. | 23:26 | |
| timeless_mbp | you of course can't downgrade | 23:26 |
| timeless_mbp | (actually, that's not technically correct, but) | 23:26 |
| * ptl_wants_PR12 updating once more, just in case Murphy's law releases PR1.2 shortly after he had updated. | 23:28 | |
| woglinde_ | hit f5 as fast as you can | 23:28 |
| javispedro | timeless: interesting bit of data about the emmc (>:)) | 23:29 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | and what is this about fennec repository not working anyway? | 23:29 |
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| ptl_wants_PR12 | anyone else has that problem? | 23:29 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, how's your N900? :/ | 23:29 |
| PhonicUK | hey all, anyone know how i can change the default shell in maemo5? | 23:29 |
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| ptl_wants_PR12 | chsh | 23:30 |
| PhonicUK | i want to use bash instead of busybox sh | 23:30 |
| PhonicUK | ty | 23:30 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | it might break something | 23:30 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | do it at your own | 23:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: due to migraine It's still black I guess | 23:30 |
| ShadowJK | ouch | 23:30 |
| RST38h | ok, sleep. | 23:31 |
| ShadowJK | Amusingly another person on t.m.o has been talking to bq27200 too same week as me, but with the kernel driver :) | 23:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | talking to 24150 is a more intriguing topic | 23:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wrt hostmode and checking what BME actually does for charging | 23:33 |
| ShadowJK | It must be doing something for charging other than saying "Charge it please", or then the schematics are wrong | 23:34 |
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| * DocScrutinizer curses large B2B-connectors, and prays it's not something more severe | 23:34 | |
| PhonicUK | hmm it says /bin/bash is an invalid shell even tho i can run it | 23:34 |
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| ptl_wants_PR12 | PhonicUK: maybe you have to register it at /etc/shells | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | PhonicUK: /etc/shells | 23:36 |
| PhonicUK | kk | 23:36 |
| MaMaGoody | hello, anyone have problem connecting logitech mx5500 with n900? | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | PhonicUK: be warned there are issues with initscripts incompatibilities | 23:37 |
| PhonicUK | even if i just change it for user and not root? | 23:37 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 23:37 |
| SpeedEvil | much of the ui runs as user | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | especially for user it seems | 23:38 |
| PhonicUK | i wont bother then | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | moin SpeedEvil | 23:38 |
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| woglinde_ | PhonicUK why you dont load it in the .file for the shell | 23:38 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer, hello. | 23:39 |
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| PhonicUK | would it be .shrc ? | 23:39 |
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| MaMaGoody | after i got it paired it said connection failed | 23:40 |
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| * SpeedEvil ponders a new meme. http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4482534946/ | 23:43 | |
| SpeedEvil | maemo digs. | 23:43 |
| Arif_ | Hmm | 23:45 |
| Arif_ | I wonder what happens if you remove "maemo 5" from app manager :D | 23:45 |
| ptl_wants_PR12 | What about THIS meme? Java applets in N900 -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/22764998@N08/4343126728/ | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: basically 24150 will charge just fine with 500mA on D-short standard chargers, *until* BME talks to it. The purpose of BME probably is to read chrg_detect from 1707 or some other source, or read VBUS-detected and ask for USB driver's Imax negotiation. If there's no such negotiation, then it either decides to not charge at all, or it assumes a nonstandard charger and eventually will push Imax-VBUS to 1000mA | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | something along that line which is a raw sketch only | 23:46 |
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| ShadowJK | iirc /sys/...../twl4030_usb/ has a "charger" file that shows 1 when I've connected things with Data pins shorted | 23:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | twl4030 would be the wrong place anyway | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | as GAIA isn't connected to the D+/- | 23:48 |
| ShadowJK | and a vbus file that shows 1 whenever there's voltage on vbus | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's more like it | 23:48 |
| ShadowJK | maybe gaia talks to the usb phy though :) | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | for sure not directly | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | both are I2C slaves | 23:49 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 23:51 |
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