IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2010-03-22

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Shapeshifter	DocScrutinizer: yeah who came up with the idea of gconf anyway >.>	00:05
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Shapeshifter	what's the point. what is wrong with files for gods sake.	00:05
b-man17	~seen Archanamiya	00:05
Shapeshifter	XDG ftw	00:05
DocScrutinizer	windoze fanboiz?	00:06
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kynky	Shapeshifter, i guess the people that got used to registry	00:06
b-man17	hmm	00:06
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infobot	xnt14 <~xnt@pool-71-251-0-157.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 24d 4h 5m 33s ago, saying: 'how do I stop all hildon-desktop services? /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop doesn't seem to kill widgets and the menubar.'.	00:06
red	well it IS an nifty way to go thru all settings	00:06
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DocScrutinizer	red: duh?	00:09
pupnik	kynky: from the gp2x drpocketsnes. needed new sound backend, graphics rendering and gui	00:09
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pupnik	red, javicq	00:09
kynky	pupnik, thats the one	00:10
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DocScrutinizer	red: what the hell is "go thru all settings"? find /etc -name "*.cfg" -exec "less {} ;" ? or what	00:11
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brody	hi	00:19
brody	is this the correct place to ask a couple of questions about the n900?	00:19
brody	i bought one yesterday	00:19
haltdef	yoink	00:19
DocScrutinizer	prolly yes	00:20
brody	who's yoink	00:20
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brody	good thx	00:21
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brody	what do i have to do to understand the inner workings of this?	00:21
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brody	do i have to install the sdk?	00:21
nidO	thats rather broad	00:21
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brody	well, specifically, for example, i would be interested in filtering some incoming calls so that the number that appears in the screen is not the same that is making the call	00:22
Griggs	hey, does anyone know of any app that has the same functionality as dropbox but that runs on the N900?	00:23
nidO	same functionality as in uses dropbox, or syncs content somewhere?	00:24
DocScrutinizer	brody: that's a rather abitioned project	00:24
brody	i would like to do that, but it's not important, i would like to read somewhere what files are in the device, and what do they do	00:24
pupnik	brody: the phone app isnt open source iirc	00:24
brody	oh	00:24
brody	i didn't know that	00:24
DocScrutinizer	yes, thet's the problem with tweaks like that	00:24
pupnik	probably first steps are install openssh	00:24
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pupnik	then poke around the system	00:25
nidO	then reflash it when you break it	00:25
pupnik	ok then peek around first :)	00:25
DocScrutinizer	brody: you got general linux knowledge?	00:25
brody	i already have ssh	00:25
DocScrutinizer	k	00:25
brody	and general linux knowledge, i think	00:25
brody	and i did that chroot thing with debian	00:26
brody	mmm	00:26
brody	easy debian	00:26
DocScrutinizer	brody: wiki seems a good starting point	00:26
brody	to install some debian packages	00:26
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brody	but i don't seem to find in the wiki what files do what things, and how	00:27
brody	i'll read it better	00:27
DocScrutinizer	maybe roundabout there: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Connectivity_Components/	00:27
brody	i will poke around, but i will probably break something :)	00:28
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DocScrutinizer	no problem	00:28
DocScrutinizer	just reflash a fresh system ;-D	00:28
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brody	yeah, there is a good explanation about that	00:29
brody	so there aren't a manual for geeks yet?	00:30
brody	does installing the sdk open many possibilities?	00:30
DocScrutinizer	brody: many subsystems on maemo are dbus based. pkg mdbus2 is rather convenient to experiment with that. also see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS	00:31
brody	thx thx	00:31
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DocScrutinizer	brody: (manual for geeks) seems there's no O'Reily "Meamo Unleashed" book yet	00:32
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jaska	typoing unleashed	00:33
DocScrutinizer	friggin spellchacker	00:33
brody	maemo in a nutshell neither	00:34
lcuk	"yet"	00:35
lcuk	is anyone over there working on one >>> ?	00:35
DocScrutinizer	let's hope and pray	00:35
brody	who's going to do it if we don't	00:35
Neostrider	I remember seeing something over Amazon about it	00:36
Neostrider	And I also have seen a book that covers IT2006, as well as other platforms	00:36
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DocScrutinizer	hmmm, "embedded linux", Joachim Schroeder	00:39
DocScrutinizer	best match	00:40
brody	the phone app is not open	00:40
brody	is there anything else that is not open?	00:40
DocScrutinizer	nah, Maemo von Frederic P. Miller, Agnes F. Vandome, und John McBrewster von Alphascript Publishing	00:40
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DocScrutinizer	http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo.org/openness/pr1.1/	00:41
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DocScrutinizer	probably it's not the most recent link	00:41
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brody	cool	00:41
joga	I've installed bash and modified /etc/passwd to have /bin/bash for user and root (well, I did anyway). that didn't work though, I still got sh when starting a terminal. should modifying the login shell be enough to get bash for default?	00:42
joga	and is it safe to add /etc/shells if it doesn't exist?	00:42
ml-mobile	are you sure that you aren't getting bash?	00:42
DocScrutinizer	joga: you got bash?	00:43
joga	ml-mobile: yeah it shows the busybox banner	00:43
joga	and doesn't read my bashrc	00:43
DocScrutinizer	joga: I.E bash is busybox, unless you got pkg bash	00:43
joga	DocScrutinizer: I have the package bash	00:43
joga	I can run it from sh and it'll work as expected	00:43
joga	when googling I just saw some stuff where there has been problems when changing the shell so I don't want to mess it up accidentally :)	00:44
DocScrutinizer	no idea then. Rumour has it installing bash for default shell breaks system boot though	00:44
joga	DocScrutinizer: I think it has to do with replacing /bin/sh with bash	00:44
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DocScrutinizer	I think that's exactly what will "brick" your system	00:45
joga	I don't think any of the critical system scripts are dependent on the shell the user has chosen	00:45
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DocScrutinizer	I heard they do	00:45
microlith	is the bash pacakge optified?	00:46
DocScrutinizer	nah, of course not THE USER	00:46
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joga	so I'd just to have bash started when I run the terminal, I now have a simple shortcut there that runs bash in osso-xterm	00:47
DocScrutinizer	no idea why chsh wouldn't work. I heard success reports on that bit	00:47
joga	*just like to have	00:47
joga	DocScrutinizer: chsh complains about /bin/bash not being mentioned in /etc/shells, which does not exist	00:47
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joga	but if it's ok to create it I can try	00:47
DocScrutinizer	which might explain a bit	00:47
joga	yeah	00:48
joga	I'll try, just a sec :)	00:48
joga	yay, now it starts bash	00:50
joga	I hope it's safe to boot ;)	00:50
joga	ah, perfect.	00:51
joga	I created /etc/shells that has /bin/bash and /bin/sh	00:51
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DocScrutinizer	joga: try boot ;-)	00:52
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joga	DocScrutinizer: assuming it might fail, how do I recover? ;)	00:52
DocScrutinizer	just to be sure	00:52
DocScrutinizer	reflash	00:53
joga	can I modify the filesystem any other way?	00:53
DocScrutinizer	nope	00:53
DocScrutinizer	not afaik	00:53
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joga	heh I guess it could be possible to add a script somewhere near the beginning of boot that prompts to remove /etc/shells	00:53
joga	but ah well I'll just google a bit to feel more confident ;)	00:54
joga	"I can set it with chsh for root, when i set it for the user then the N900 will no more boot, can anybody confirm this? The only solution is to flash the device."	00:54
joga	doh..	00:54
joga	"Yes setting shell to anything other than sh will kill the device. "	00:54
joga	ok...	00:54
joga	:D	00:54
joga	this doth not bode well	00:54
DocScrutinizer	toldya	00:55
joga	maybe I'll just fix it back. I wonder why is that	00:55
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joga	there really ought to be a simple way to recover from simple modifications like that..	00:56
DocScrutinizer	the only way would be to have a rescue system	00:56
joga	yeah, something like that	00:56
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joga	a couple of megabytes for that purpose is worth it :)	00:57
DocScrutinizer	so you could mount the original system's /	00:57
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DocScrutinizer	patches welcome ;-D	00:57
joga	so I switched with chsh the user's shell back to /bin/sh, then removed /etc/shells and confirmed root also has /bin/sh selected	00:57
joga	I guess it's safe to boot now	00:58
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brody	to change the default shell prevents the device to boot and people doesn't know why?	00:58
brody	wow	00:58
SpeedEvil	probably some subtly incompatible boot script	00:59
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DocScrutinizer	probably some cracks know exactly why	00:59
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joga	I can see why the shell would make a difference in some scripts, but the user's shell shouldn't be that relevant	00:59
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DocScrutinizer	joga: well, the desktop is mainly user	00:59
DocScrutinizer	and there's no such thing like a console and a init -s	01:00
joga	DocScrutinizer: ok, I haven't studied it much yet, I've only had the device for a few days	01:00
brody	but with the rootsh package we become root don't we?	01:02
DocScrutinizer	sure	01:02
joga	yes	01:02
brody	we could do whatever we wanted, in theory	01:02
DocScrutinizer	yep	01:03
pupnik	i want irssi in sunglasses	01:03
DocScrutinizer	lol	01:03
DocScrutinizer	:-P	01:03
brody	i don't agree with the fact that we can't change the shell	01:03
joga	pupnik: heh, get two n900s and duct tape	01:03
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brody	is people working on this?	01:04
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pupnik	theres the focal length problem. i dont see how it is possible to get text overlaid on your fov	01:05
brody	i can help writing docs	01:05
brody	or reversing binaries	01:05
Lumpio-	Or get four N900s	01:05
joga	what sort of backups does the n900 make? can these be modified/mounted?	01:05
Lumpio-	Tape them together 2x2	01:06
Lumpio-	And you have the N900Pad	01:06
Shapeshifter	argh the horror	01:06
pupnik	good question joga	01:06
pupnik	i have to praise nokias testing. n900 seems the stablest tablet yet	01:08
joga	I'm very pleased thus far too	01:08
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joga	I've noticed many small things that just weren't there on the n800 and some things I've thought would be nice, and then some things that I hadn't think of myself than then seem obvious	01:10
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joga	*that	01:11
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joga	it's like a swiss army knife of teh internets ;)	01:12
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pupnik	mhm	01:14
pupnik	i love the fuzzy targeting to open a url	01:14
pupnik	from terminal	01:14
pupnik	exactly what i asked for	01:14
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nbdarvin	hi to all	01:17
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joga	hey...can the device be used as mass storage if it's turned off and then plugged in? this implies so http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=566432#post566432	01:21
DocScrutinizer	brody: (chg shell fact) as mentioned before there've been 'done!' reports as well. Strange thing seems for some people it works while others break their boot. Generally there's reluctance in tampering with that stuff	01:22
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joga	and does it expose the root filesystem	01:22
joga	(because that would be awesome)	01:22
DocScrutinizer	joga: seems turning of isn't exactly helpful	01:23
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DocScrutinizer	otherwise, yes of course it's a mass storage - and a lot of people curse the implications of that	01:23
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DocScrutinizer	turning off*	01:25
joga	ah, yeah, well, it is a bit of a concern securitywise..	01:26
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joga	if there was some way to tell the device that "yeah it's me, pop the hood"	01:26
DocScrutinizer	and no, it does not expose the rootfs, which is the major annoyance in messing around with initscripts etc as well as the cause of all the implications. rootfs is not a fat fs	01:26
SpeedEvil	Nor is /hom	01:27
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brody	DocScrutinizer: but there must be people that know how things work somewhere, haven't they written it?	01:30
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DocScrutinizer	sure - lol.	01:31
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DocScrutinizer	just I for one don't know who exactly those people are	01:31
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brody	lol	01:31
DocScrutinizer	my take on that is my favourite saying: >>I HATE BUSYBOX!<<	01:33
brody	they are reading us	01:33
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DocScrutinizer	messybox is for washing machines, not for users of xterm	01:35
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joga	I'll dare it now and reboot..	01:35
brody	and they're rejecting the idea of sharing their knowledge, because the have better things to do	01:35
brody	i understand	01:35
brody	good luck joga	01:35
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DocScrutinizer	joga: the brave ones ;-)	01:36
joga	brody: well, they don't have time for everything	01:36
brody	yeah	01:36
joga	it works as usual now that I rebooted	01:37
joga	phew	01:37
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Jinux	hey	01:37
DocScrutinizer	hey?? o.O ??	01:38
joga	well, it wasn't even that exciting since there should have been no obvious reason why it wouldn't boot if I just reverted my changes	01:38
brody	we are all phewing with you joga	01:38
brody	congratz	01:38
Jinux	lol	01:38
Jinux	guys i has an issue	01:38
Jinux	nice to meet you all	01:38
joga	hi	01:38
LiraNuna	how do I start 'mouse cursor' mode on microB?	01:38
DocScrutinizer	joga: huh, you reverted the changes?	01:38
LiraNuna	For that, you have to get into “mouse cursor” mode with the device. Sliding your finger to the right from the bottom left corner of the display brings up cursor icon — tap it and you’re now in mouse mode	01:38
LiraNuna	I can't seem to do that	01:38
joga	DocScrutinizer: yeah I mean, I never rebooted it with the changes I made with chsh	01:39
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joga	I just changed it back	01:39
joga	and removed /etc/shells	01:39
DocScrutinizer	bah, THAT'S lame	01:39
DocScrutinizer	;-P	01:39
brody	lol	01:39
joga	yup ;)	01:39
brody	but he said that he had done it	01:39
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joga	I did change /etc/passwd	01:40
joga	but I didn't realize I needed /etc/shells I guess, so it didn't actually use bash	01:40
joga	(I reckon?)	01:40
joga	had I done both I might have hosed it, from what I read	01:40
joga	booting with just changed shells in /etc/passwd didn't have any effect	01:41
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DocScrutinizer	(hosed) or you'd be the hero of Sunday Mar 22 2010	01:42
Arif_	hm	01:42
joga	heh	01:42
joga	if I didn't need the phone for daily stuff I'd like to experiment with it more	01:42
Jinux	so - my n900 is having hash sum errors	01:42
Jinux	anyone?	01:42
DocScrutinizer	where?	01:42
DocScrutinizer	when?	01:42
brody	we need articles about the system	01:43
Jinux	i update the app lists and the extras repo fails	01:43
Jinux	'hash sum mismatch'	01:43
lcuk	ok, remove additional repositories first	01:43
Jinux	yup	01:44
lcuk	devel/testing and any other custom ones	01:44
Jinux	done	01:44
brody	do you want to install any specific application?	01:44
joga	brody: I think we'll get them, in time	01:44
lcuk	Jinux, refresh your cache thingy, does it still have same problem	01:44
DocScrutinizer	LiraNuna: it works exactly like described. slide in lower hlaf of left edge of screen from outside to the center horizontally - pointer symbol will appear. Touch that	01:44
* lcuk loves explaining UX to people		01:45
Jinux	lcuk: yeah :(	01:45
lcuk	im so glad gestures exist	01:45
* lcuk rolls eyes		01:45
lcuk	Jinux, bah	01:45
brody	joga: we will, if god listens to my prayers	01:46
Jinux	what now? only had it a day and already borked it xD	01:46
lcuk	ok, close HAM, reboot your machine and try again - just incase something farted	01:46
brody	what filesystem is it?	01:47
Jinux	how do i close HAM?	01:47
lcuk	(plus it gives ppl chance to think :p	01:47
Jinux	?	01:48
lcuk	Jinux, chances are its not you	01:48
Jinux	:) good to hear	01:48
Jinux	how do i close HAM?	01:48
lcuk	mmm perhaps	01:49
DocScrutinizer	LiraNuna: actually (just tested) it doesn't matter where you do that, just slide from left outside of screen into screen	01:49
lcuk	Jinux, have you sussed out how to gain root yet	01:49
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Jinux	lcuk, yeah ive got a terminal waiting in the background	01:49
brody	i go to sleep	01:50
brody	see you tomorrow, thx!	01:50
lcuk	Jinux, someone on forums says "apt-get autoclean" cured their problem	01:50
lcuk	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44048	01:50
Jinux	ive tried that	01:50
lcuk	close the app manager application	01:50
lcuk	with its X	01:50
lcuk	then i dunno	01:50
Jinux	ivd done it again to make sure	01:51
Jinux	lemme try updating	01:51
Jinux	fail	01:52
lcuk	it might just be external sources	01:52
Jinux	ive got an idea	01:52
Jinux	nah my mate updated	01:52
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Jinux	brb a sec	01:52
joga	(he uses the same update server?)	01:52
joga	or, well, repository	01:53
joga	:)	01:53
Jinux	yeah	01:53
DocScrutinizer	Jinux: usually things like checksum errors are a quite commen borked repository	01:53
DocScrutinizer	try again in 60 minutes	01:53
Jinux	mmm i would think so	01:53
LiraNuna	DocScrutinizer, oh that tiny black area	01:53
joga	yeah most of such problems I've had with desktop systems have gone away without action	01:53
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joga	espeak is fun	01:54
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pupnik	got espeak running with irssi yet?	01:54
Jinux	surely it must be checking the hash against sm though?	01:55
joga	hmm, does setting the volume of pulseaudio with alsamixer affect anything that has its volume controlled with the volume buttons	01:55
Jinux	cant i get rid of that and then itll work?	01:55
joga	pupnik: heh, I've had that once, not on n900 though ;)	01:55
pupnik	id rather avoid having a big honkin perl module	01:56
pupnik	even a notification bell would suffice	01:56
joga	pupnik: the way I once did it for fun was way more hacky, I logged private messages in my irc shell, then I think I tailed them over ssh to a synth	01:57
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joga	but it would be convenient to be able to say /speechon or such and it would read the current channel aloud and so on	01:57
pupnik	i did it similarly for another client	01:57
DocScrutinizer	pupnik: xchat has notification - even since before that notifier bells&whistles bloat crept in	01:57
joga	well, convenient maybe, fun for sure	01:58
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trem	nite all, sweet dreams	02:00
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C-S-B	ouch, anyone good with helping me with the sdk?	02:15
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DocScrutinizer	eeeeew	02:16
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C-S-B	exactly	02:18
joga	hmm...I guess I could modify /usr/sbin/gainroot to execute bash instead	02:18
joga	I wonder if that's a potential disaster ;)	02:19
C-S-B	that would be nice	02:19
C-S-B	bash is alot better than what we have	02:19
Jaffa	joga: You could just add a bash line to /etc/sudoers	02:20
pupnik	so happy javicq added quicksave slopts to picodrive n900	02:20
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Jaffa	joga: But nothing built-in to the OS uses gainroot, so it should be fine. Some third party scripts do, though.	02:20
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DocScrutinizer	FAIL... omg	02:21
joga	Jaffa: ok	02:21
DocScrutinizer	gainroot is a fail in itself	02:21
CutMeOwnThroat	SpeedEvil, you confused me there, evil highlighter	02:21
C-S-B	sapwood-server[5866]: GLIB WARNING ** Gdk - cannot open display:	02:21
C-S-B	process 5889: arguments to dbus_connection_send_with_reply_and_block() were incorrect, assertion "connection != NULL" failed in file dbus-connection.c line 3298.	02:21
C-S-B	anyone else had this?	02:22
DocScrutinizer	sapwood server? never heard of	02:23
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C-S-B	after running af-sb-init.sh start	02:23
joga	Jaffa: I think I'll just leave gainroot alone and make a copy that calls bash and add that with visudo	02:24
DocScrutinizer	anyway sounds like connection to dbus failed	02:24
C-S-B	yeah, my thoughts but im a bit at a loss on a remedy	02:24
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DocScrutinizer	wrong user? wrong bus (system vs session)? wrong dbus perm config?	02:25
joga	heh I found a /usr/sbin/gainroot.old that has an 'echo "Enable RD mode if you want to break your device"' :)	02:25
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DocScrutinizer	joga: that's the one before rootsh replaced it by the real thing	02:26
joga	k	02:26
joga	hmm...misses symlink from vi -> vim	02:27
joga	(visudo complains)	02:27
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joga	oh, that exists, but /bin/vi doesn't	02:28
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DocScrutinizer	bet that's another messybox symlink usually	02:28
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joga	well, simply exported VISUAL	02:29
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DocScrutinizer	lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Dec 17 12:34 /usr/bin/vi -> /etc/alternatives/vi	02:30
DocScrutinizer	lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Dec 17 12:34 /etc/alternatives/vi -> /bin/busybox	02:31
joga	DocScrutinizer: apparently root doesn't have visual editor set or it likes to use /bin/vi	02:31
joga	but it works now, I have gainroot-bash that I will alias	02:31
DocScrutinizer	actually vi should be in /bin rather than in /usr/bin	02:32
DocScrutinizer	rationale being you need in /bin all the tools to service a system in init -s	02:33
DocScrutinizer	and in /sbin of course	02:33
joga	yeah	02:34
DocScrutinizer	while /usr should hold all the executables "nice to have" but may be mounted later or not at all in servicemode	02:34
DocScrutinizer	I guess most admins would consider vi an essential tool for servicing a broken system	02:36
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andrei	I'm trying to install the sdk, and the install script dies with: "awk: fatal: could not find groups: Invalid argument" Enyone else encouter this?	02:41
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Andrewfblack	can anyone help me flash my n900 with flasher on windows NSU isn't working for me	03:49
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sar3th	hm dunno an	03:57
sar3th	*Andrewfblack	03:57
sar3th	what's di matter?	03:57
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electronicsjar	does anyone here know how to set up modest so that the email archives are saved on the 2Gb or 8Gb hard drive space rather than internal memory?	04:05
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Andrewfblack	anyone know how long after I flash using flash it will take device to reboot	04:08
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ml-mobile	electronicsjar: it does save them on the 2GB	04:16
electronicsjar	ml-mobile, really? it doesn't seem like the case on mine before i reflashed the os	04:17
ml-mobile	or do you mean storing it on an SD card?	04:17
electronicsjar	storing it on the SD would work too	04:17
electronicsjar	i need to find ways of not overloading the internal memory	04:17
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electronicsjar	(the 128 mb space)	04:17
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ml-mobile	256	04:17
ml-mobile	and the mail messages are stored under /home/user/.modest	04:18
ml-mobile	which is on the 2GB ext3 partition	04:18
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electronicsjar	hmm...what then could cause the 256 mb being overloaded?	04:21
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DocScrutinizer	who's responsible for maemo mailinglists mailman? spamasassin prepends a [possible spam] to empty mails, which makes mailan fail on maemo-*-request@maemo.org	04:27
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ml-mobile	electronicsjar: apps from -devel that aren't optified, some caches	04:27
ml-mobile	how much do you have free?	04:28
DocScrutinizer	s/mails,/mails' subjects,/	04:28
infobot	DocScrutinizer meant: who's responsible for maemo mailinglists mailman? spamasassin prepends a [possible spam] to empty mails' subjects, which makes mailan fail on maemo-*-request@maemo.org	04:28
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acidjazz	http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t306/shakesville/oralsexlight.jpg	04:31
acidjazz	so i got a nexus one	04:31
acidjazz	and im playin w/ it in parallel to the n900	04:31
acidjazz	made me realize how awesome maemo really is	04:31
C-S-B	woot iodine all set up and working on my n900	04:33
acidjazz	whats iodine	04:33
C-S-B	dns tunneling	04:33
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C-S-B	lowering the mtu i can get fairly good traffic flow	04:38
C-S-B	:)	04:38
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Andrewfblack	trying to use flasher and it is telling me to supply the 2nd image???	04:50
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ml-mobile	did you tell it to flash both the rootfs and the eMMC?	04:54
electronicsjar	ml-mobile, device memory are 83.2 mb available, internal memory card is 1.75 Gb available, removable memory card is 3.42 Gb available	04:56
Andrewfblack	ok got it now I think added --flash-only=rootfs	05:00
Andrewfblack	waiting at found device how long doesn't flasher take to flash phone?	05:00
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C-S-B	a couple of mins	05:07
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C-S-B	what are you flashing the emmc or kernel?	05:08
Andrewfblack	rootfs	05:11
Andrewfblack	does device need to be on or just hold down U and plug in?	05:12
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hd1	go go gadget eBay!	05:15
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DocScrutinizer	couple of seconds	05:18
DocScrutinizer	waiting means something failed	05:18
Andrewfblack	should phone be on or off?	05:19
DocScrutinizer	unplug N900, switch off, replug	05:19
DocScrutinizer	should switch on automatically on plugin	05:19
Andrewfblack	I started over phone is off plug in and I got device not found	05:21
Andrewfblack	phone is viberation some and screen is flashing	05:21
DocScrutinizer	flasher has to be waiting on plugin	05:22
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Andrewfblack	hold anything down or just plug in	05:22
DocScrutinizer	you could hold down "u", but it's probably not needed	05:22
Andrewfblack	got phone off with Dark screen Nokia and USB flasher icon thingy	05:24
Andrewfblack	flasher still waiting on device	05:24
DocScrutinizer	strange.	05:25
DocScrutinizer	if you got the usb icon, you could try to kill and restart flasher	05:25
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Andrewfblack	could it be I"m using USA image just thought about that I have a prerelease n900 Quim sent me from Finland	05:26
DocScrutinizer	shouldn't matter	05:26
Andrewfblack	still getting device not found	05:27
DocScrutinizer	try another usb connector on PC	05:27
Andrewfblack	been having trouble nokia software updater wont work either says connecton to device lost	05:28
DocScrutinizer	hmm yes	05:29
DocScrutinizer	bad cable, or 'bad' usb connector (with internal hub)	05:29
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Andrewfblack	same thing on 2 computers	05:30
Andrewfblack	bad usb connector on device?	05:30
DocScrutinizer	hmm, maybe you broke your N900 usb receptacle?	05:30
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DocScrutinizer	hard to diagnose from remote	05:31
Andrewfblack	works fine for transfering files	05:32
DocScrutinizer	you're using linux on PC?	05:32
Andrewfblack	pc	05:32
Andrewfblack	charges fine also	05:33
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Andrewfblack	n900 booted isn't seeing cable plug in now was 10 minutes ago	05:35
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electronicsjar	is the /home/user/.modest directory on the 128 mb or the internal/external memory cards?	05:36
electronicsjar	i thought the /home/user/ directory is on the 128 mb memory	05:37
ml-mobile	it isn't	05:37
microlith	the 2GB partition is mounted on /home	05:37
microlith	there is a softlink to /home/opt	05:38
DocScrutinizer	/home is on the 2GB ext3 partition of eMMC	05:38
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DocScrutinizer	see 'mount'	05:38
DocScrutinizer	Andrewfblack: there's no 10 minutes wait in flashing. Everything happens instantly	05:41
DocScrutinizer	no wait at any point	05:41
DocScrutinizer	if you wait, it failed	05:42
Andrewfblack	so go by a new cable and try I guess	05:42
Andrewfblack	if that isn't it then bad device	05:42
DocScrutinizer	still dunno what's your OS	05:42
Andrewfblack	Windows XP	05:42
DocScrutinizer	hmm	05:43
electronicsjar	hmm	05:43
Andrewfblack	windows 7 on other computer failed also havn't tried it under linux yet	05:43
electronicsjar	then what's happening with the out of memory message on my n810 then	05:43
electronicsjar	?	05:43
DocScrutinizer	you're running flasher with admin permisions?	05:44
DocScrutinizer	(not as if I had any idea of redmond crap. just wild guessing)	05:45
Andrewfblack	yeah	05:46
ml-mobile	electronicsjar: wait, you're on an N810?	05:50
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electronicsjar	ml-mobile, yes	05:50
ml-mobile	ohhhh	05:50
electronicsjar	does it change what you said?	05:50
ml-mobile	yes	05:50
electronicsjar	ml-mobile, what does it entail then?	05:51
ml-mobile	only thing I can think of is softlinking .modest to a directory on an SD card	05:52
electronicsjar	ml-mobile, i'm not sure how to softlink .modest to a directory on an SD card	05:52
ml-mobile	however I do not know how th N810 would react on bootup	05:52
electronicsjar	i guess i can try looking online before asking for more informaiton	05:52
ml-mobile	you may want to ask in the Maemo 4 forum on maemo.org	05:53
ml-mobile	the issue has likely been encountered before	05:53
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ml-mobile	browserd has some serious cpu usage issues :/	06:00
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Andrewfblack2	DocScrutinizer51: I got with flasher on windows 7 pc	06:06
DocScrutinizer	what fixed it?	06:07
Andrewfblack2	really have no idea I hadn't tried flasher on windows 7 but nsu didn't work on either and flasher wouldn't work on windows xp	06:07
C-S-B	anyone tried sygic?	06:08
Andrewfblack2	linux was about to be my next try but your right only takes about 5 total seconds to do it	06:08
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C-S-B	linux should be your only try ;)	06:09
C-S-B	step away from the win.	06:09
Andrewfblack2	I have several times but I get so used to windows at work it just feels easier to do it at home	06:10
C-S-B	i use linux at home but often end up supporting it at work	06:10
C-S-B	its refreshing coming home to it	06:11
C-S-B	i cant think of anything that is easier or better in windows	06:11
Andrewfblack2	in fact work is about to make me go buy a windows mobile phone as well	06:11
C-S-B	Im so sorry	06:11
Andrewfblack2	our work network will only allow windows mobile phones connect and I'm tired of logging into desktop to get an email	06:12
Andrewfblack2	I've been trying for months to find a way to get n900 to connect	06:12
C-S-B	mail for exchange not working for you on n900	06:12
C-S-B	plus im sure theres an exchange plugin for evolution on a desktop	06:13
C-S-B	theres imap and pop as other solutions...	06:13
Andrewfblack2	mail for exchange works I just can't get my phone on network and no cell service	06:13
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DocScrutinizer	weird	06:14
C-S-B	try and spoof your mac to a win mobile mac?	06:14
C-S-B	how are they os checking on the network?	06:15
DocScrutinizer	that's the question. Which exotic crap technology is involved in winmoob registering on the network?	06:15
Andrewfblack2	problem is how you have to setup network settings and I have to set it for network to give me WEP Key and enroll the root cert	06:16
C-S-B	wep?	06:16
Andrewfblack2	n900 has no setting for network giving WEP key	06:16
Andrewfblack2	C-S-B: yep	06:16
C-S-B	you can connect to wep network, if your really wanted to, on the n900	06:17
Andrewfblack2	I can't get it to connect always asks for WEP key which I don't have	06:17
C-S-B	but what kind of mindless security choice was wep?	06:18
C-S-B	you could get the key without ever connecting to the network if its wep.	06:18
DocScrutinizer	legacy I guess	06:18
C-S-B	i hope that the network isolates wep clients	06:18
Andrewfblack2	they don't care about security just tracking what you do	06:18
Andrewfblack2	If you don't work out there you can't get close enough to network to connect	06:19
DocScrutinizer	I don't get it how winmoob is fetching a key for the network over the network o.O	06:19
Andrewfblack2	we are surrounded by about a 3 miles of fence	06:19
C-S-B	DocScrutinizer same here	06:19
Andrewfblack2	Windows has a setting for allow network to give key. I think they are really comfirming you with the Root Cert that you have to enroll by running some enroll.exe that requires you to enter your network login information	06:20
C-S-B	just obtaining sygic anyone else a	06:20
C-S-B	tried it	06:21
Andrewfblack2	I wont be buying I got screwed on n810 Navigation I can't believe they didn't release wayfinder for n900	06:22
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C-S-B	I'm lovin my fully working n900	06:23
C-S-B	3rd one seems to be doing well	06:23
C-S-B	not found a missing feature yet	06:24
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Andrewfblack2	thinking of getting a SmartQ v5 I would assume that booting the windows ce would be able to connect to work network	06:28
DocScrutinizer	I'd not place my bet on that	06:30
Andrewfblack2	might just get a used winmo phone from ebay since it will just a work phone i looked for a PDA that runs winmo but cna't find them anymore	06:30
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C-S-B	htc hd2 looks nice if you want a lighter wallet	06:31
Andrewfblack2	btw if anyone of you are as lazy of me I figure out how to do click to unlock on n900 lockscreen lol	06:31
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Andrewfblack2	650 for a work toy is a little much lol	06:33
ptl	I paid US$ 580	06:35
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ptl	and there's people selling it for much less now	06:36
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DocScrutinizer	http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms836771.aspx puke	06:36
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Andrewfblack2	DocScrutinizer: yeah that enroll.exe thing is what keeps me from connecting n900 to work network	06:38
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* DocScrutinizer wonders if ssh and relatives could handle PKCS#10 and*.cer as well		06:39
DocScrutinizer	fwiw	06:40
DocScrutinizer	anyway that's not the wep key aiui	06:40
C-S-B	docscrutinizer this is something Ive wondered about all my n900s	06:40
C-S-B	does the power management drop the wifi in a haphazard way if you dont use it in a while?	06:41
Andrewfblack2	I find it hard to believe its impossible to connect n900 to my work network just havn't found a way yet lol	06:44
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DocScrutinizer	well, aiui you can connect to the network quite easily, and in the classic way by providing a wep key that has to be preshared. The question is what you're allowed to do on the network then, other than sending an enrollment request to the cert server of windows	06:47
C-S-B	try harder	06:47
C-S-B	you could be a little naughty, obtain the wep key and connect	06:48
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Andrewfblack2	C-S-B: not work losing job lol	06:51
C-S-B	deny all	06:51
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DocScrutinizer	I'd pester company's admin to get the shit working on linux	06:55
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ptl	admin or programmers?	07:02
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njsf_	re	07:03
Andrewfblack2	DocScrutinizer: problem is I work with 5000 people at my work location with about 100 it people, Company wide their are 10s of thousands of people who knows how many it people and we all have same network setup	07:05
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DocScrutinizer	Andrewfblack: you're missing my point. It should probably work with very same "network setup" on linux as well. Company hadn't have to change any of their infrastructure for you, it just needs one of the 100 IT guys to understand how to configure linux (probably ssh plus another few supplementary services) and get it done on your N900	07:14
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njsf_	DocScrutinizer what network setup are we talking about? I just missed it... Is it cisco vpn over wifi, ActiveSync ?	07:15
DocScrutinizer	http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms836771.aspx	07:15
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njsf_	Oh ic, Is this for VPN PPTP auth or for Exchange sync?	07:18
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DocScrutinizer	VPN sounds like matching the case	07:19
njsf_	yeah, my employer fortunately chose a cisco vpn solution, so vpnc is a solution	07:20
DocScrutinizer	as Andrewfblack says he "can't connect to network"	07:20
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njsf_	even if I had to manually edit the config, since the vpnc-gui would not allow to edit some of the fields they validate (like the client version...)	07:21
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DocScrutinizer	anyway, I mean this wince crap is from 2002 or somesuch. Hard to believe no hacker implemented that shit on linux yet	07:22
njsf_	lemme see the pptp solutions if they support the pcks	07:24
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njsf_	Ok, it seems this is related to l2tp, not pptp...	07:28
njsf_	which is similar to the way the cisco vpn works, but it seems that with windows it just uses ipsec...	07:28
njsf_	Andrewfblack: could this be of use to you? http://www.jacco2.dds.nl/networking/linux-l2tp.html	07:29
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njsf_	Unfortunately it is not very clear on how to do the initial certificate exchange, which it seemed to be the question?	07:30
Stskeeps	Andrewfblack: there's a flasher-3.5 binary for windows that's not nsu	07:30
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DocScrutinizer	""Smart cards provide the flexibility of enrollment from any client device that supports smart cards, such as a desktop PC""	07:35
* Stskeeps yawns		07:36
njsf_	DocScrutinizer51: ?!	07:36
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DocScrutinizer	any device includes Linux. If this enrollment is just smartcard standard, then there should be a sw based solution for linux as well	07:38
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njsf_	I think the smartcard bit is just an alternate way to get the certificate other than that http exchange	07:42
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RST38h	"I am Shung Hin Hui, I have a business of $15.5 million for you contact me for details."	07:45
RST38h	Funny.	07:45
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DocScrutinizer	nigeria connection reloaded	07:46
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cehteh	hehe .. so far nothing toped the breast enhancement cream spam i once got .. wtf do they know that i dont need a bigger penis but my titties are small? :P	07:49
RST38h	Haven't you complained about it on tmo? =)	07:49
cehteh	no	07:50
* Stskeeps twitches at texrat's suggestion at putting pandora under linux foundation/meego		07:51
Stskeeps	talk about a PR scandal that could be..	07:51
RST38h	eek	07:51
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RurouniJones	3 days to register a project on the maemo garage?! Ouch	08:08
Stskeeps	ah, x-fade is on a long weekend	08:09
Stskeeps	should probably approve today	08:09
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RST38h	Stskeeps: And there is still nobody who can do it in his absence?	08:09
Stskeeps	RST38h: i think there is but i have nothing to deal with infra	08:09
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RurouniJones	One person does all the approval? Ok	08:11
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RurouniJones	I just want to check. This is the only way to get packages into extras-devel right?	08:11
Stskeeps	no	08:12
Stskeeps	that's the extras uploader queue	08:12
Stskeeps	projects has nothing to deal with that	08:12
RST38h	Ruroni: You do not need a garage project to submit stuff to the extras-devel	08:12
RurouniJones	Ah, you only need a garage account, not a project?	08:13
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Stskeeps	right, and requesting access to upload	08:15
Stskeeps	morning tekojo	08:15
tekojo	Morning Stskeeps	08:15
RurouniJones	Righto, thanks muchly.	08:15
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ShadowJK	[ 15.665374] EXT3-fs warning: mounting fs with errors, running e2fsck is recommended	09:01
* ShadowJK ponders sanest way to fsck /home...		09:01
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Appiah	how about fsck at reboot?	09:02
Appiah	touch /forcefsck	09:03
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ShadowJK	that works?	09:05
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ShadowJK	grep -r forcefsck /etc	09:06
ShadowJK	yields nothing	09:06
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ShadowJK	nothing with just fsck either	09:09
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Appiah	ShadowJK: ?	09:16
Appiah	thats how I've done it on all linux installs	09:17
Appiah	(servers and desktops)	09:17
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ShadowJK	my ubuntu install has a /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh which contains if [ -f /forcefsck ]	09:18
ShadowJK	so it'd work there	09:18
Appiah	hmm	09:18
ShadowJK	but I don't run Ubuntu on my N900	09:18
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Appiah	"You can prevent your phone of mounting /home at boot time by commenting the "/bin/mount /home" rule in /etc/event.d/rcS-late"	09:21
Appiah	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43698	09:21
Appiah	thats one way...	09:21
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ptl	just customized my user and root prompts :D nice	09:29
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furunk3l	yes hello	09:46
ccooke	morning, all	09:47
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bib38	Hello sygic free n900 possible ? :)	09:50
ShadowJK	no	09:51
bib38	Yes but i don t know where i can found this	09:51
bib38	It s possible , i m sure	09:52
ShadowJK	go away	09:52
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Jaffa	Morning all	09:52
ShadowJK	or use ovi maps	09:52
ccooke	bib38: it may be, but that doesn't mean we'll want to help you pirate it	09:52
FIQ	°°«»©™’”≥≤çß¢¡¿§*°·±½«»}{]\|[><¤%#"+-=!&@\/)(_;:'.,?€£$¥	09:53
Jaffa	TTOTD: automated publishing scripts need failsafes to event re-publishing last week's issue.	09:53
bib38	Ok i prefre this answer	09:53
FIQ	uhm	09:53
FIQ	ups	09:53
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bib38	But ovi maps is not ready with voice on n900	09:53
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bib38	Have you gote a date for ovi maps for n900 ?	09:55
RurouniJones	Is there a vaguely accurate due date for the next release of maemo that has Qt 4.6 built-in?	09:55
ShadowJK	RurouniJones, dates aren't released by nokia in advance. There are only rumours.	09:56
RurouniJones	Ok, any vageuly believeable rumours / estimates	09:56
FIQ	yay, 100% used on debian chroot image	09:56
* FIQ thinks the image is too small		09:56
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ShadowJK	RurouniJones, it was "really soon now" a month ago :P	09:57
RurouniJones	Oh boy	09:57
FIQ	- 2.0G 2.0G 0 100% /	09:57
* RurouniJones goes and tries his app on his current N900 to see how spectacularly it explodes		09:57
ShadowJK	but then, rumour has it, things failed QA	09:57
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ccooke	FIQ: I bet you're glad the image isn't on a jffs2 partition, then :-)	09:58
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ShadowJK	RurouniJones, so I think qt-4.6 is in extras-devel	09:58
FIQ	jffs2 partition...	09:58
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RurouniJones	ShadowJK: Yer it is, but I am not sure I want to wipe out the existing Qt on my N900	09:59
RurouniJones	I did in the scratchbox environment to test the app, but I won't want to wreck my phone ;)	09:59
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ShadowJK	I suspect it installs in parallell but I'm not sure :)	09:59
RurouniJones	since I have no idea how any other qt apps will react	09:59
RurouniJones	I am not sure beause the guide said to remove the existing Qt libs	10:00
FIQ	yay for apt-get clean	10:00
ShadowJK	oh, scary	10:00
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ShadowJK	yeah 8Md be afraid too then :P	10:00
ShadowJK	s/8Ms/I'd/	10:00
ShadowJK	oh I give up	10:01
ShadowJK	switching between N810 and N900 keyboard gives interesting typos...	10:01
ccooke	ShadowJK: I wonder how many of us are here on n900s...	10:01
* FIQ is here on a N900		10:01
MiXu-	I'm just gonna wait for PR1.2 and not install Qt4.6 by myself. Even though I'm developing a qt app that requires 4.6.	10:01
* ccooke also		10:02
* RurouniJones ditto, but not as a phone because sodding networks won't allow it		10:02
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ShadowJK	I've got my desktop, my N810 and my N810 connected to this nickname right now :P	10:02
RurouniJones	MiXu-: Same, but it is annoying because this program is really useful for me (Hell, I developed it for myself)	10:02
RurouniJones	and having to wait is annoying *)	10:02
MiXu-	RurouniJones: Yep. Same here. :)	10:02
ccooke	has anyone else thought about proxying im transports, btw?	10:02
ccooke	I am considering the benefits of plugging all of my non-voip transports into an instance of minbif	10:03
ccooke	(minbif is an im to irc gateway bult on libpurple)	10:03
ccooke	and since it runs on a server on my vpn, I should be able to cut processing and bandwidth use on the phone massively	10:04
ShadowJK	hm	10:05
RurouniJones	MiXu-: You using QT-Creator to make your interfaces?	10:05
MiXu-	RurouniJones: Yes. Except some maemo specific stuff.	10:06
MiXu-	And at this point the UI is a bit of a mess because of that.	10:06
MiXu-	Looks fine on Maemo, but horrible in the code :)	10:06
RurouniJones	Hehe, I am finding it a real pain in the arse to get things positioned nicely using the ui designer and the various layouts	10:06
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MiXu-	The designer takes a while to get used to, that's all.	10:08
RurouniJones	Well plus the fact I am new to Qt and haven't done c++ for a hell of a long time.	10:08
RurouniJones	In fact I was going to ask if someone coul dhave a look at hte code and let me know if it is ok / breaking more conventions than I care to know about. Is there a big QT site where people might be up for that?	10:09
MiXu-	I'm on #qt and #qt-maemo	10:10
RurouniJones	I was thinking website. Probably get more response on a forum or something.	10:10
mikhas	maybe http://www.qtcentre.org/ then, not sure how active it really is, though	10:11
RurouniJones	Gracias	10:11
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MiXu-	Looks active	10:12
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RurouniJones	Heh, I have been there before, even got an acount on it. Just totally forgot about it...oops.	10:16
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ShadowJK	hope i dont brick my n900 :D	10:29
Appiah	that should be a wikipage	10:29
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Appiah	"How to brick your n900"	10:29
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Lumpio-	Always think of the bright side	10:30
Lumpio-	An N900 makes for a classy paperweight	10:30
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ShadowJK	well, first attempt failed to fsck	10:32
RurouniJones	The crowd winces	10:32
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ShadowJK	I think /dev/mmcblk* is either missing or not yet fubar'd that early in boot....	10:36
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ShadowJK	yep, no mmc in /dev that early	10:41
bib38	Bonjour ya t il un chant serveur maemo ou n 900 en francais ?	10:41
timeless_mbp	non	10:41
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bib38	Merci timeless , tu es en france ?	10:43
timeless_mbp	English.	10:44
bib38	Ok thank you timeless	10:45
timeless_mbp	thanks for conforming :)	10:45
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tybollt	Et francais?	10:45
bib38	Moi oui	10:46
tybollt	c'est la vie	10:46
bib38	Je cherche un chant sur le n900 en français , mais ya pas	10:46
Corsac	bib38: please create one and don't bother non-french speakers	10:46
timeless_mbp	++	10:47
MiXu-	yep	10:47
bib38	Ok corsac	10:47
Corsac	(well, please don't bother french speakers either)	10:47
MiXu-	:D	10:47
tybollt	:D	10:47
ShadowJK	timeless_mbp: ever tried to use realtime google translate on n900? :)	10:47
timeless_mbp	no	10:47
timeless_mbp	wait	10:47
bib38	What a the best ap n900 for you ?	10:48
timeless_mbp	for productive use or to test the browser?	10:48
timeless_mbp	for the latter? sure	10:48
ShadowJK	to test yeah	10:48
bib38	I realy like phototranslate :)	10:49
ShadowJK	it's dropping keys for me	10:49
timeless_mbp	translate is in my google bookmarks folder :)	10:49
timeless_mbp	(although, it is last, which shows how often it's used)	10:50
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ShadowJK	oops nevermind, my conf mods caused it :D	10:50
ShadowJK	no wait..	10:51
timeless_mbp	aww, you made me reboot my n900	10:51
cehteh	mhm .. new openvpn	10:51
ShadowJK	why did you have to reboot...	10:51
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cehteh	i wonder if it will overwrite all my handcrafted configs	10:51
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cehteh	(scripts)	10:52
timeless_mbp	something got stuck, and i'm too tired to do anything else to it	10:52
cehteh	2 n900 would be ideal .. one for using, one for playing and bricking	10:52
timeless_mbp	cehteh: i'm quite happy w/ 2	10:53
cehteh	hehe	10:53
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ShadowJK	Anyway, when it translates as you type, I randomly lose keypresses. the keys get lost just before the translation results are updated	10:53
timeless_mbp	i used to have red and green	10:53
cehteh	i dont have money for 2	10:53
timeless_mbp	but red died, so now i have green and pink	10:53
cehteh	i have black and invisible :)	10:53
timeless_mbp	ShadowJK: from memory this is known	10:53
timeless_mbp	the most basic problem is that the realtime system is hazardous to events	10:54
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timeless_mbp	in about 5-10 words, i tend to lose one character	10:55
timeless_mbp	but as the line length gets longer, the losses mount	10:55
ShadowJK	Yeah I lost one with 5 words after I changed jit back to default off	10:55
timeless_mbp	i think i decided it wasn't worth chasing	10:56
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timeless_mbp	the system itself can't really handle fast typists anyway	10:56
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timeless_mbp	let alone fast typists using the browser for realtime translation	10:56
timeless_mbp	sadly, "hello world. my name is josh" became "hello world. my name s josh"	10:57
timeless_mbp	an the lack of a verb seriously hurt my translation	10:57
Corsac	maybe you translate to redneck?	10:59
timeless_mbp	s/an/and/	10:59
infobot	timeless_mbp meant: and the lack of a verb seriously hurt my translation	10:59
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* ShadowJK tries it on N810		11:00
Corsac	pvanhoof: hey, I wanted to ask you how exactly the thumbnailers (google image / album art) are supposed to work?	11:00
Corsac	pvanhoof: I managed to do it with mussorgsky, but it still puzzles me	11:01
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Corsac	pvanhoof: afaict there's a dbus service registered, but I don't know who's responsible for calling it	11:01
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ShadowJK	I don't lose keys with microb on N810 :)	11:01
pvanhoof	Corsac, on the n900 or on harmattan?	11:01
ShadowJK	(and it does the realtime stuff)	11:02
Corsac	pvanhoof: n900	11:02
pvanhoof	What did you manage to do with mussorgsky?	11:02
Corsac	pvanhoof: to get all art for my albums	11:03
pvanhoof	Corsac, so you made a albumart provider tha uses mussorgsky based on the googlealbumartprovider that I made?	11:03
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Corsac	pvanhoof: no, I just used mussorgsky as an end-user and it managed to do it properly	11:04
Corsac	I don't think it uses your googlealbumart provider	11:04
Corsac	but maybe	11:04
Corsac	I didn't think of that	11:04
pvanhoof	I don't understand what exactly you did	11:04
pvanhoof	You downloaded images from a website?	11:04
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Corsac	pvanhoof: mussorgsky did	11:05
pvanhoof	A website wont do anything automatically, is mussorgsky a website?	11:05
Corsac	mussorgsky is an application for n900, sorry	11:05
Corsac	basically it's a metadata/albumart manager	11:05
pvanhoof	ok, I don't know about mussorgsky	11:05
Corsac	it presents you your music database and you can do stuff on it	11:05
pvanhoof	You should ask the author of that software	11:06
Corsac	and there's a part where you can download album art	11:06
Corsac	yeah but that's not the point	11:06
Corsac	what I was asking was: how am I supposed to use googlealbumart provider	11:06
pvanhoof	I really can't answer you anything about what mussorgsky did I'm afraid	11:06
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Corsac	yeah, well, forget about mussorgsky	11:06
Khertan	Hello !	11:06
pvanhoof	Over its dbus api	11:06
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Corsac	pvanhoof: I mean, as an end user	11:07
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pvanhoof	Corsac, it's not for end-users, it's an API for app developers	11:07
Corsac	ok, thanks	11:07
Corsac	that's what I was missing :)	11:07
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Corsac	(description is not very clear about that)	11:07
pvanhoof	ok	11:07
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Corsac	sorry for bothering	11:08
ShadowJK	it's in user/ but not for endäusers?	11:08
pvanhoof	np	11:08
ShadowJK	end-users*	11:08
pvanhoof	I don't know who ended up packaging it	11:08
pvanhoof	or don't remember	11:09
Corsac	http://maemo.org/packages/view/google-album-art-downloader/ you're marked as maintainer :/	11:09
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ShadowJK	is it in extras too..	11:09
pvanhoof	im not maintaining it, so if somebody wants to pick it up ...	11:10
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ShadowJK	ah good, it's only in devel?	11:12
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pvanhoof	it's a plugin for fremantle's standard api for album art handling	11:12
pvanhoof	fremantle's standard album art handling doesn't support any music stores or album art sources other than embedded albumart, by installing this you make it support google-images as source for album-art for songs that have no embedded album-art	11:13
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pvanhoof	i dunno what you want to call that	11:13
timeless_mbp	ShadowJK: hrm	11:13
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timeless_mbp	i think we've made more things async	11:14
timeless_mbp	which is sorta necessary	11:14
timeless_mbp	dunno	11:14
timeless_mbp	it really isn't worth chasing	11:14
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Stskeeps	lo X-Fade, had a good weekend?	11:15
ShadowJK	not worth chasing in the sense that the fix will be called fennec?	11:15
X-Fade	Hi Stskeeps, yes coffee is needed. :)	11:15
tybollt	hmm	11:15
tybollt	that's why the low profile timeless? It's all going to be fennec hence forth?	11:16
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timeless_mbp	microb's work is generally prototyping forks off of gecko	11:17
timeless_mbp	if you want something with less hacky implementations, i'd encourage you to try fennec	11:17
tybollt	is microb alive still - I mean in trunk :)	11:17
tybollt	no	11:17
timeless_mbp	it's like Schrödinger's cat	11:17
tybollt	I don't care about mess of hacks.. I care about support longevity...	11:17
timeless_mbp	microb could last 1 year or 5 years	11:18
timeless_mbp	and i wouldn't know which	11:18
Stskeeps	support can be cut over a cup of coffee	11:18
Stskeeps	:P	11:18
timeless_mbp	but if you want to help out for the future, fennec is the place to be	11:18
tybollt	Stskeeps: s/can/can't/?	11:18
Stskeeps	can	11:18
timeless_mbp	no, Stskeeps did not misspeak	11:18
Stskeeps	as in, can happen anytime	11:18
tybollt	ah yeah	11:18
tybollt	olrite	11:19
timeless_mbp	there is still work being done	11:19
timeless_mbp	improvements will turn up in 1.2	11:19
timeless_mbp	and i suspect some improvements will happen after that	11:19
timeless_mbp	but i wouldn't expect huge new features in this microb	11:20
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timeless_mbp	the first microb was 'ooh, a gecko'	11:20
tybollt	I guess my question really is - and you will chastize me for bringing this up - will the Intel half of things still see fit in touting microb as the built in browser?	11:20
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timeless_mbp	the second microb was, 'ooh, an asynchronous gecko'	11:20
sobczyk	hi is it possible to sync evolution or the kde organizer with n900/maemo5?	11:20
timeless_mbp	the third microb was, 'ooh, an asynchronous gecko that can draw reasonably quickly'	11:20
timeless_mbp	tybollt: i'd assume not	11:20
timeless_mbp	intel afaiu uses a fairly standard gecko	11:21
timeless_mbp	albeit, fairly out of date	11:21
timeless_mbp	something like ff3.0.5 ?	11:21
timeless_mbp	sobczyk: define possible	11:22
timeless_mbp	'anything is possible'	11:22
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timeless_mbp	http://wiki.maemo.org/Sync#HTTP_support_.28using_syncevolution.29	11:22
sobczyk	sync contacts and calendar without hassle	11:22
* timeless_mbp wonders how one defines hassle		11:23
MiXu-	There's a gui syncevolution client that does the same thing	11:24
MiXu-	That's no hassle. If you need terminal, it's a hassle. :)	11:24
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Corsac	syncevolution 1.0 does direct device sync using bluetooth	11:25
Corsac	no need to install syncevo on the n900, just on the host	11:25
MiXu-	I prefer sync over the internet	11:26
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* ShadowJK would have expected either no browser in meego, or "regular" firefox for netbook ux and fennec for mobile ux		11:27
sobczyk	no hassle = sync with bluetooth wothout any need for internet accounts	11:28
SpeedEvil	lynx!	11:28
sobczyk	or wifi	11:28
ShadowJK	my n900 synced fine and without hassle over bluetooth to my e75	11:28
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Noobmonk3y	hmmmm cafe nero wireless v 3.5g..... 3.5g it is :)	11:39
sobczyk	I tried to use google sync bt it fails...	11:39
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ShadowJK	uh oh	11:39
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* ShadowJK is closer to reflash now		11:40
Noobmonk3y	eeeek	11:40
* ShadowJK ponders		11:40
ShadowJK	how long should fsck of 2gigs take, and is 256M ram enough :D	11:41
Noobmonk3y	lol	11:41
Noobmonk3y	never tried, not sure, should be....	11:41
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jacekowski	ShadowJK: depends on FS	11:41
ShadowJK	ext3	11:41
jacekowski	on reasonable fast disk - couple seconds	11:42
Noobmonk3y	:)	11:42
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ShadowJK	n900 emmc :)	11:42
jacekowski	do you know that fsck is offline procedure?	11:42
jacekowski	couple seconds at most	11:43
jacekowski	ShadowJK: how are you fscking it?	11:43
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ShadowJK	edited /etc/event.d/rcS-late to add fsck before mount	11:43
Noobmonk3y	lol that sounds like a t-shirt logo . hows to you fsck yours?	11:43
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jacekowski	ShadowJK: that's pointless	11:44
jacekowski	ShadowJK: use tune2fs	11:44
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MiXu-	Noobmonk3y: Haha. Good one =)	11:44
Noobmonk3y	:)	11:45
jacekowski	ShadowJK: tune2fs -c 1 /dev/whatever	11:45
* timeless_mbp sighs		11:45
jacekowski	ShadowJK: that will force fsck every single mount	11:45
Noobmonk3y	right time for a joyeous meeting...	11:45
timeless_mbp	someone please remind me to baby sit whichever 'brilliant minds' are responsible for the next 'calendar' app	11:45
ShadowJK	jacekowski: um, does kernel know how to do that	11:45
jacekowski	yes	11:45
ShadowJK	jacekowski: because like, there's no reference to fsck anywhere in /etc	11:45
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jacekowski	kernel knows	11:46
jacekowski	and it's bad idea to do it anyways	11:46
cehteh	the mount command should know .. but i have no idea if busybox mount knows that	11:46
jacekowski	because you will end up with non booting device in case of any fs errors	11:46
cehteh	and the next problem is that it wont work for FAT	11:46
ShadowJK	I thought the fsck interval was fsck.ext3 being run, and doing nothing until the -c counter forced it to	11:46
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jacekowski	ShadowJK: no	11:47
ShadowJK	well I managed to fsck MyDocs	11:47
cehteh	overall mounting is a bit pita .. anyone wants to make some package which hacks a normal fstab and mounting stuff in? :)	11:47
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ShadowJK	oh hm, something happened, charge led started blinking :)	11:48
tybollt	ugh?	11:48
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tybollt	charging bruhaha AGAIN?	11:49
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tybollt	have we not been through every conceivable charging and or space-on-root issue yet?	11:49
hrw	morning	11:49
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ShadowJK	tybollt: no this is /home needing fsck	11:50
flux	I wonder if pr1.2 will resolve once and for resolve all the charging issues :)	11:50
jacekowski	ShadowJK: i never had any issues	11:51
jacekowski	ehh	11:51
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jacekowski	i never had any issues	11:51
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jacekowski	ShadowJK: use tune2fs to force fsck	11:51
jacekowski	ShadowJK: if you really need to	11:51
jacekowski	ShadowJK: but don't do it	11:51
flux	jacekowski, have you ran out of battery?	11:51
jacekowski	it's bad idea	11:51
jacekowski	it's journaled FS	11:51
jacekowski	flux: yes	11:51
RurouniJones	Heh, played the "Air traffic control" game on an iPhone a few days ago, very fun. Someone make a maemo clone!	11:51
jacekowski	RurouniJones: there is maemo clone	11:51
ShadowJK	journaled fs doesn't mean anything	11:52
RurouniJones	No kidding?	11:52
jacekowski	RurouniJones: look in ovi store	11:52
ShadowJK	especially not on flash	11:52
flux	jacekowski, well, just last night I noticed that that had happened to me and left it charge overnight (powered off). couldn't start it in the morning before taking the battery out and putting it back in.	11:52
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RurouniJones	Cool, I was there a few days ago but didn't see anything obvious	11:52
ShadowJK	ooh, it booted	11:52
jacekowski	ShadowJK: journal is replayed every single mount	11:52
jacekowski	ShadowJK: independently of fsck	11:52
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ShadowJK	yes yes, but if watchdog kills the device in the middle of writing, a whole 256k chunk can be left in undefined state, and the journaling relies on 512 byte sectors that get written in-order	11:54
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RurouniJones	jacekowski: Don't suppose you know the name of the app do you? I can't find anything useful	11:54
jacekowski	RurouniJones: airport	11:55
jacekowski	RurouniJones: it's in ovi store not in app manager	11:55
RurouniJones	hehehe, imaginative	11:55
RurouniJones	aye, I am looking in the ovi store now on PC and n900	11:55
RurouniJones	still not seeing anything, nothin on search either. Do you have a direct link? I guess my brain is failing badly	11:55
ShadowJK	besides, the fact the fsck DID find problems proves the journaling didnt work	11:55
ShadowJK	the reason boot didn't continue seems to be fsck asking to be run manually :(	11:57
RurouniJones	jacekowski: It is apparently no longer available for some reason :(	11:57
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MiXu-	Hmm. So it seems :o	11:58
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RurouniJones	bahahahaa, N900 seismograph, that will be handy	12:00
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Corsac	RurouniJones: there's a project in SF to detect seims using laptops acceleromters	12:01
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MiXu-	The ovi store is a bit sad. :/	12:02
Clickety	why	12:02
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MiXu-	It has maybe two more apps for N900 than it did two months ago.	12:02
Clickety	i havent really looked at it yet i just downloaded this game roller evolution or something yesterday	12:02
RurouniJones	yea, the Ovi store is a bit...um, sparse	12:02
Clickety	where u can roll a ball or something	12:02
RurouniJones	bounc evolution	12:02
Clickety	yeah	12:02
RurouniJones	That and angry birds are the only, um, pro looking games I have come across	12:02
Clickety	yeah the games are a bit sparse	12:03
jacekowski	RurouniJones: i've seen it there yesterday	12:03
Khertan	Of course noone can publish things to ovi yet	12:03
Khertan	it s still not really open	12:03
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RurouniJones	jacekowski: You mean this right? http://maemo.nokia.com/maemo-select/applications/airport-touch/ -> following the ovi store link shows that is isn't avilable	12:04
MiXu-	Khertan: Oh. Why is that?	12:04
MiXu-	That's even more sad in my opinion.	12:04
Khertan	http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/vectormine/	12:04
Khertan	MiXu-, noone know ...	12:04
MiXu-	:P	12:04
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Khertan	my game ^ isn't publish on ovistore . .. so this is why i ve try to publish to extras	12:05
Khertan	but noone care of problems for non-free	12:05
MiXu-	alright	12:05
Khertan	so i think this is the same for other developers	12:05
RurouniJones	So I gues the apps/game on ovi now are done via special contract with nokia?	12:05
nidO	basically yeah	12:06
Khertan	sio2interactive have stop making game for maemo	12:06
nidO	seemed like rovio were going to get some content in the store	12:06
nidO	but then the level pack for angry birds was put up, pulled off, put up again, pulled off again, and has now vanished	12:06
Khertan	and many other pro developer will not do game too for maemo	12:06
thresh	yeah, cause apparently APT has no built-in DRM	12:07
jacekowski	hmm	12:07
thresh	(and thanks god it doesnt)	12:07
jacekowski	i'm still not sure what to do with sygic	12:07
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Khertan	the problem isn't apt	12:07
jacekowski	download from torrent	12:07
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Khertan	registration can be done without drm	12:07
jacekowski	download from torrent and send them as much as i think it is worth paying for it	12:07
RurouniJones	Wonder what game engine Rovio uses for angry birds	12:07
jacekowski	or just buy it for a full price	12:07
MiXu-	=)	12:08
Khertan	look at my game	12:08
Khertan	i didn't use drm	12:08
Khertan	just a registration key	12:08
jacekowski	drm is little bit pointless	12:08
jacekowski	and any registration	12:08
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* thresh thinks games should be free		12:08
Khertan	i didn't understand what they didn't do similar things for the ovistore	12:08
jacekowski	there are people that just crack that sort of things for fun	12:09
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Khertan	thresh, free source code .... yes ... other not	12:09
jacekowski	free source code?	12:09
nidO	the hopeful guy in me has fingers crossed that after the qt upgrade we'll see a major new ovi store revision that includes all the promised stuff like application updates, as well as a working maemo store	12:09
jacekowski	pointless	12:09
Khertan	you know that doing game is really long ... difficult, and an independant dev cann't do it alone ...	12:10
Khertan	jacekowski, you are pointless	12:10
SpeedEvil	Speaking personally. At times I have serious cashflow problems - I have not had the heating on this winter, and it's been down to 5C in here - hence I will not pay for stuff, I download pirated copies, and then make a list of stuff I've enjoyed - and purchase stuff from the same authors when I'm able to.	12:10
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jacekowski	have you seen any opsn source game that?	12:10
jacekowski	have you seen any successfull open source game?	12:10
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Khertan	jacekowski, yes	12:11
jacekowski	name	12:11
Stskeeps	jacekowski: openttd	12:11
Stskeeps	:P	12:11
nidO	depends on your definition of succesful, but yes loads	12:11
SpeedEvil	jacekowski: nethack	12:11
Khertan	Nexus	12:11
Khertan	Freeciv	12:11
mece	bzflag!	12:11
Khertan	Battle for Wesnoth	12:11
nidO	nethack, freeciv, hell even TA:spring, if by succesful you mean played and enjoyed a lot	12:11
jacekowski	based on already existing game	12:11
Khertan	not nethack :)	12:11
SpeedEvil	Doom even.	12:12
tybollt	DNF! most successfull game EVAH	12:12
mece	tybollt, LOL	12:12
RurouniJones	Bleh, nidO, I agree with you, hope they pull their act together, because...yea.	12:12
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ShadowJK	ugh, fs totally destoyed after fsck :D	12:19
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jacekowski	ShadowJK: that's because you did it online	12:26
jacekowski	ShadowJK: or did something equally stupid	12:26
jacekowski	ShadowJK: use tune2fs to do it	12:26
ShadowJK	No, I did it before /home was mounted	12:26
jacekowski	how do you know?	12:26
jacekowski	/home is mounted quite early	12:27
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ShadowJK	let me check..	12:28
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cityLights2	hi all, can I get recomandation on what upnp server to install on my desktop to server music to my N900?	12:30
ShadowJK	jacekowski, it wasn't mounted	12:30
ShadowJK	I put the fsck in /etc/events.d/rcS-late	12:30
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nidO	cityLights2 - whats os	12:30
ShadowJK	and just now I put a cat /proc/mounts > /mounts.log, which confirms home wasn't mounted at that point	12:30
cityLights2	nid0: gentoo	12:31
cityLights2	sorry was obvius to me I use linux	12:31
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cityLights2	I mean most ppl here surely use linux and have a favorite upnp server	12:32
nidO	you've got a huge choice then, mediatomb is a decent option	12:32
mece	nidO, mediabomb you say. That works well with the N900 then?	12:33
jacekowski	ShadowJK: why are you doing that anywas?	12:33
ShadowJK	jacekowski, because it was mildly corrupted after a "random reboot"	12:33
jacekowski	ShadowJK: and home should be mounted already when rcS-late is invoked	12:33
ShadowJK	it isn't	12:33
ShadowJK	because the command that mounts it is in rcS-late	12:33
nidO	mece i've only tested it briefly and it worked, for day to day here though my fileserver runs w7 and just uses wmp's upnp server	12:34
jacekowski	if i would be hacking my device in that way i would hack it to use reiserfs	12:34
ShadowJK	The only hacking is trying to make it fix its corrupted fs	12:35
ShadowJK	That is the only hacking I've been doing	12:35
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mece	nidO, ok, I'll test it at home. Did it require lots of confing?	12:41
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nidO	not particularly, can just fire it up and go using defaults if you have sqlite running, or setup a mysql db and user - beyond that it's essentially just plugin the media folders to add	12:45
mece	is it just me or does neverball look like it's made for the N900?	12:46
mece	http://neverball.org/screenshots.php <- accelerometer heaven	12:46
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cityLights2	scripting question , can I use [ -z $DEVICE ] && DEVICE=tap0 ?	12:47
cityLights2	or should I [ x$DEVICE == x ] && DEVICE=tap0	12:47
cityLights2	?	12:47
jacekowski	mece: more like nightmare	12:47
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jacekowski	mece: it's hard with a keyboard	12:47
nidO	mece: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=16773	12:47
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mece	cityLights2, I think you need bash for that.	12:47
nidO	wrong link, try this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47466	12:48
cityLights2	I want to run this on the maemo with no bash to set a default value	12:48
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tybollt	IIRC -z is valid on bsh	12:50
tybollt	so yeah try that	12:50
tybollt	although I'd use a full fledged if-statement	12:51
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italodance	hi kid babes	13:04
italodance	naemo is still live	13:04
italodance	alive	13:04
italodance	incredible	13:04
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brody	does anybody know where are the sms's stored?	13:05
brody	or the recent calls	13:05
italodance	who's persian?	13:05
brody	or the contacts	13:05
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ShadowJK	hmm...	13:06
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jacekowski	brody: .osso-abook	13:08
brody	cool thx	13:09
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mece	Arif_, have some coffee	13:17
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Arif_	eww	13:20
Arif_	coffee	13:20
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ShadowJK	so it seems I can't just flash the mmc image	13:21
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* ShadowJK ponders trying to hack rcS-late to format /home instead ;D		13:21
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mgedmin	ShadowJK, eh, why?	13:26
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ShadowJK	instead of flashing rootfs and emmc to fix corrupted /home	13:27
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mgedmin	hmm	13:28
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cato`	is it posible to force maemo to update its music metadata cache ?	13:29
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Anssi__	find . -name "*mp3" \| xargs touch ;#maybe?	13:37
Arif_	tracker-processes -r ? ;p	13:37
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cato`	tracker-processes -r sounds harsh ...	13:40
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Arif_	it just removes the databbase..	13:41
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cato`	but then I'll have to reboot to make it build new ones	13:41
Arif_	you could just open the media player too...	13:41
Arif_	;p	13:41
cato`	haha, ok. I'll try it	13:42
Anssi__	cato, tracker-processes --help	13:42
Anssi__	there was reindex option at least in my version.	13:43
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cato`	yes, it did it	13:44
cato`	thansk	13:44
cato`	-k	13:44
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Arif_	the joy of knowing useless commands	13:45
Arif_	\o/	13:45
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talmai	Hi everyone! Is there an easy way to set a custom autocomplete dictionary for a specific gtk Entry?	13:46
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Arif_	I wish I could get a Turkish dictionary..	13:47
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ech0dish	turn by turn navigation in US going to be available soon? any eta?	13:50
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Arif_	Sygic?	13:50
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ech0dish	was at their site the other day it said for Europe	13:52
nidO	it was released for usa like a day after launch	13:52
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ech0dish	hrm wonder what i was reading them lol..	13:53
nidO	http://www.sygic.com/index.php/en/how-to-buy.html	13:53
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nidO	select maemo then you get a choice of eu russia middle east africa, or north central and south america	13:54
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ech0dish	thanks dude	13:55
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silferme	for some reason im not able to reactivate the keyboard at debian lxde after returning from maemo enviroment	13:57
silferme	any ideas why?	13:57
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ech0dish	is there a car mount for the n900?	14:10
ech0dish	or perhaps a generic that is known to fit?	14:10
SpeedEvil	Not from nokia	14:10
SpeedEvil	At least, I don't think so	14:10
SpeedEvil	I have a generic from dealextreme that fits.	14:10
kamui	I have a mount that works	14:10
lcuk	i have seen one	14:10
SpeedEvil	It is very bulky though	14:10
lcuk	its not nokia	14:10
kamui	however, it sucks to use	14:11
kamui	:(	14:11
ech0dish	:( i want to mount it and use it as mp3 player and gps in my car lol	14:11
kamui	I think I got my generic from dealextreme too speed	14:11
mortal	could it be possible to chroot to some newer debian installation and have all the modules and drives from the os2008	14:11
kamui	it was originally to hold a different pmp that had gps	14:11
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lcuk	ech0dish, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=565036&postcount=112	14:12
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* RST38h moos		14:17
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kamui	any new news	14:28
kamui	about 1.2 or meego	14:28
haltdef	don't think so	14:28
Arif_	they're both canceled	14:29
thresh	and each time you ask, their release is postponed for a week	14:29
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haltdef	from what I can tell the n900 is win with maemo 5 as is :P	14:30
timeless_mbp	nah, just 5 business days :)	14:30
hrw	kamui: 1.2 will be in november	14:31
hrw	thats what I just read in one email	14:31
lcuk	haltdef, :)	14:31
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RST38h	thresh: It requires a sacrifice!	14:31
* lcuk sacrifices RST38h		14:32
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Arif_	aww	14:36
Arif_	no update	14:36
RST38h	lcuk: You really want to get PR1.2 compiled for x86 instead of armel? =)	14:37
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Arif_	does it come with an x86 processor for N900?	14:38
RST38h	No.	14:38
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SpeedEvil	For some things - a qemu+wine would be good	14:40
SpeedEvil	Say the people having trouble running authentication apps.	14:40
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SpeedEvil	the apps probably will work 'ok' on a 20MHz emulated x86	14:41
lcuk	SpeedEvil, wine isnt an emulator tho	14:41
SpeedEvil	qemu+wine	14:41
RST38h	lcuk: On ARM it is	14:41
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kamui	hrw: jeebus	14:44
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kamui	I hope thats not accurate :)	14:44
kamui	by november nokias next phone will most likely be out or at least announced	14:44
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RST38h	kamui: And it will run Symbian^3!	14:46
* RST38h promptly ducks		14:46
Arif_	that'd be great actually...	14:46
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kamui	now that was a ribshot :)	14:47
Arif_	multiboot \o/	14:47
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ShadowJK	bwhahahaha	14:49
* ShadowJK managed to accidentally boot into a state where /home wasn't mounted and took the opportunity to mkfs it and restore from a backup		14:50
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tybollt	radio users?	14:55
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tybollt	anyone experienced that when listening to radio the screen gets spontaneously activated although you've locked it with the side button?	14:58
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tybollt	that seems impossible to me but my friend claims he has that problem...?	14:58
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Arif_	what radio?	15:04
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tybollt	arif the radio app	15:06
Arif_	FM or internet? :P	15:07
tybollt	FM	15:07
tybollt	FM Radio	15:07
Arif_	nope, my phone doesn't have its own will =D	15:07
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tybollt	right	15:08
tybollt	well this friend's a noob	15:08
MohammadAG	<tybollt> anyone experienced that when listening to radio the screen gets spontaneously activated although you've locked it with the side button? >> doesn't happen here	15:08
tybollt	bet he fucked up somehow	15:08
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MohammadAG	tybollt, did he paint the camera black?	15:08
MohammadAG	or remove the battery cover	15:09
MohammadAG	as that does unlock the screen	15:09
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tybollt	painting the camera black? :D	15:10
* tybollt like		15:10
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* Arif_ paints tybollt's N900 white		15:12
frankS2	white?	15:13
frankS2	:s	15:13
Arif_	yes	15:13
frankS2	Is n900 black only btw?	15:13
Arif_	Apple white!	15:13
* toggles_w starts preparing the trout		15:15
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wazd	http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/22/ktf-wants-everyone-to-bubi-bubi-video/	15:18
wazd	oh my	15:18
Arif_	lolwat	15:18
RST38h	moo wazd	15:18
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wazd	RST38h: heya :)	15:19
Stskeeps	why didn't the n900 have a hello kitty casing and that marketing..	15:19
wazd	Stskeeps: yeeeeah, bubi-bubi your n900 :D	15:19
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Stskeeps	wazd: reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loUNoy0Qub0 which is called bubbi bears (roughly translated) in .dk	15:20
Stskeeps	:P	15:20
tybollt	bumbi bears?	15:21
wazd	Stskeeps: ah, Gummi Bears, cartoon of my youth :P	15:22
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wazd	RST38h: will you come to the seminar itself btw? :)	15:23
RST38h	wazd: I hope so	15:23
wazd	RST38h: Me and Vlad will be telling shocking truth bout Nokia and stuff :)	15:23
Edheldil	had it had Hello Kitty case, my daugter would have stolen my phone and refused to return it	15:23
RST38h	wazd: Will we be able to lynch you afterwards? =)	15:24
wazd	RST38h: sure :) If you will make to survive :D	15:24
ech0dish	how can i test joikuspot without purchasing?	15:25
Jaffa	"Gummi bears, bouncing here and there and everywhere; their adventure is beyond compare; they are the gummi bears!"	15:25
Jaffa	cough	15:25
tybollt	yay =)	15:25
* tybollt dancing now \o/		15:26
Jaffa	Mrs Jaffa is, err, a fan.	15:26
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tybollt	yes, when it comes to gummi bears I'm a big fanboi	15:26
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wazd	tybollt: I actually heard this song in original for the first time now :)	15:28
wazd	tybollt: we had a russian version :)	15:28
ptl	which song? trololo?	15:29
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* wazd facepalms		15:29
ptl	sorry	15:29
ptl	:P	15:30
* DocScrutinizer strikes back with teletubbies		15:30
ptl	it's just that I keep listening to this trololo song all day	15:30
ptl	it hypnotized me	15:30
ptl	it mesmerized me	15:30
ptl	and it's russian	15:30
Arif_	mmm gummy	15:30
ptl	so you talk about music and russia and I automatically think trololo.	15:30
* RST38h promptly facepalms		15:30
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ptl	lol	15:31
Arif_	XD	15:31
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Jaffa	DocScrutinizer: "Eh-oh Po!"	15:31
thresh	it's soviet	15:31
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Jaffa	DocScrutinizer: What you really want is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kNTVFu7Syw	15:32
Jaffa	No Gummi Bears there though; but lots of Cosgrove Hall stuff, Teletubbies, In the Night Garden etc.	15:32
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DocScrutinizer	I definitely need a videoplayer for my toilet	15:34
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* DocScrutinizer shudders and runs to get a coffee		15:35
tybollt	trololo wazd?	15:35
tybollt	:)	15:35
tybollt	oh	15:36
tybollt	hah	15:36
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, N900 w/ kickstand open :p	15:36
xt	/close	15:37
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rmrfchik	wazzup new in maemo today?	15:38
wazd	tybollt: trololo yourself :D	15:38
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marmoute	mrlfmrl	15:39
X-Fade	http://maemoteam.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/new-maemo-5-sdk-release-5-available/	15:39
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Jaffa	X-Fade: Oooh. Yay.	15:39
X-Fade	Now pondering what to do with the builder.	15:39
X-Fade	I want to suggest that I change the sdk on Wednesday.	15:39
Jaffa	Why Wednesday? To give enough time?	15:40
X-Fade	That will give developers a bit of time to get their current app in fremantle and fremantle-1.2	15:40
Jaffa	Is this with the fremantle-1.2 approach you outlined?	15:40
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Jaffa	Ah, yes.	15:40
X-Fade	After that, apps can only go to fremantle-1.2	15:40
Jaffa	X-Fade: Planning to seed fremantle-1.2 with existing sources?	15:40
X-Fade	Jaffa: Yes, will just be a copy.	15:40
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X-Fade	Most apps work just fine going forward. I've been testing that for quite a while.	15:41
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Jaffa	X-Fade: OK, so by "current app in fremantle and fremantle-1.2" you mean "last versions into fremantle"	15:41
Jaffa	?	15:41
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X-Fade	Now I copy everything to both repositories.	15:41
X-Fade	After the new sdk is on the builder, I obviously can't do that anymore.	15:42
Jaffa	X-Fade: Indeed.	15:42
X-Fade	This only affects extras in this case.	15:42
wazd	Jaffa: nice vid btw :)	15:42
thresh	\o/	15:42
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X-Fade	So if built before Wednesday, it can still get promoted to both.	15:42
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* DocScrutinizer hopes for wednesday to get rid of "when will pr1.2 release" treads and posts		15:44
X-Fade	DocScrutinizer: Yes me too.	15:44
X-Fade	Remember that we can't help that the sdk breaks things. But we do need to fix the fallout ;)	15:45
* Stskeeps ponders about some packages removed		15:45
X-Fade	We as in maemo.org vs Nokia.	15:45
DocScrutinizer	won't be too bad,no?	15:46
X-Fade	Stskeeps: Which ones?	15:46
Stskeeps	X-Fade: well, it looks a little like the SDK isn't the primary place to release open source software anymore	15:47
rmrfchik	wazd: what truth?	15:47
* rmrfchik is slowpoke		15:47
Stskeeps	such as gnuchess or pdf viewer etc	15:47
DocScrutinizer	actually I wonder how a click in minor rev of OS can break much, err anything o.O	15:47
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Stskeeps	X-Fade: so i ponder if i should write a formal letter asking for sources on a CD now ;)	15:48
Corsac	definitely	15:49
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DocScrutinizer	~poke Stskeeps	15:50
thresh	so, when's PR 1.2 GUyzzz?!?!?!!111??//	15:50
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X-Fade	Stskeeps: Let me check what happened there :)	15:50
DocScrutinizer	/kick thresh	15:50
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Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: mm?	15:50
DocScrutinizer	wtf, infobot on holiday again?	15:50
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Stskeeps	X-Fade: it makes perfect sense from SDK pov but since those bits are not on gitorious yet, it's a bit of a regression :)	15:51
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: you completely lost me on "remove pkgs" topic	15:51
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/maemo5.0_update4_vs_maemo5.0_update5_content_changes.html	15:52
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DocScrutinizer	oooooh, The Powers removed them	15:52
DocScrutinizer	I C	15:53
DocScrutinizer	and wonder	15:53
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Corsac	tetex-bin??	15:53
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Stskeeps	you have no idea how many insane packages dep on that	15:53
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Corsac	hmhm, build-depend you mean?	15:54
Corsac	for building the doc	15:54
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Corsac	I guess tetex is not by default on the device? :)	15:54
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MarcusM	Heya.	15:59
X-Fade	Stskeeps: Marcell will look into this.	15:59
MarcusM	I was wondering: If I wasn't connected to a wLan on the n900, would it then automaticly use the SIM network thingy-which-is-so-expensive?	15:59
Stskeeps	depends on your setting	15:59
MarcusM	I'd have to click an Accept button or such, correct?	15:59
MarcusM	Good. :P	15:59
Stskeeps	and n900 goes well with a good data plan	16:00
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Stskeeps	i paid like 300/month for a sane one :P	16:00
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MarcusM	jeez ._.	16:00
Stskeeps	it was worth it	16:00
Stskeeps	:P	16:00
Stskeeps	300 dkk, that is	16:00
MarcusM	DKK myself.	16:00
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MarcusM	How much ya paid for yours?	16:01
FIQ	sweden three ftw :)	16:01
MarcusM	I see it for 4169 (with shipment)	16:01
MarcusM	DKK	16:01
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Stskeeps	weell.. :P	16:01
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Stskeeps	if you can find it with a good data plan, it would be a good combo	16:01
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FIQ	dunno if three operates in denmark, but if they do, check them.	16:03
MarcusM	We have got something called 3g, if that's what you referring to.	16:03
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FIQ	http://www.3.dk/	16:06
FIQ	that operator is what I have	16:07
ShadowJK	there's also an operator called "3" or "three"..	16:07
tybollt	3 suck :)	16:07
MarcusM	Using Telia myself. Kinda just a normal one.	16:07
tybollt	They don't have GSM in their networks	16:07
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toresbe	tybollt: huh?	16:08
FIQ	meh	16:08
FIQ	who wants GSM? :P	16:08
* DocScrutinizer wonders why the hell you'd need a N900 without decent dataplan		16:08
tybollt	toresbe: Hi3g has disabled GSM in their networks	16:08
Stskeeps	MarcusM: i was pretty happy with telenor	16:08
toresbe	tybollt: meaning you can't make phone calls, only packet data connections?	16:09
tybollt	meaning - outside of cities - good luck using Hi3g :)	16:09
nidO	er	16:09
nidO	surely 3 operate that the same as in the uk	16:09
tybollt	toresbe: you can make phonecalls over 3g just fine	16:09
nidO	and just piggyback another network when you're outside of their areas	16:09
tybollt	no	16:09
tybollt	there's no piggybacking or roaming	16:09
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nidO	3 in the uk only provide a 3g network, but when you're outside of it your connectivity is just passed off to Orange.	16:09
tybollt	that is the entire point	16:09
FIQ	hm?	16:09
toresbe	ah right.	16:09
tybollt	nidO: it isn't in Sweden	16:10
ShadowJK	I wouldn't call it "disabled 2g", they just don't have the equipment for it..	16:10
DocScrutinizer	30€ prepaid here, for 5GB + ~2h phone	16:10
FIQ	i'm pretty sure i've used non-three connections here	16:10
nidO	seems a bit halfassed if they dont do that, what on earth would be the point	16:10
tybollt	nidO: in Sweden there is no roaming inside the country between the three big players.	16:10
tybollt	ShadowJK: they HAD 2G initially - then they disabled it :)	16:10
FIQ	well	16:11
ShadowJK	lol	16:11
FIQ	I don't live in the contry so np for me	16:11
ShadowJK	maybe they no longer have frequencies for it :)	16:11
FIQ	and when it comes to data connections, three wins	16:12
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ShadowJK	for web surfing I don't notice any difference between edge and 3g on N900 :(	16:13
ShadowJK	For gpodder 3g is awesome, I get 5 megabits/s	16:14
ShadowJK	and about 200-ish kbit/s on edge	16:14
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nidO	I get a huge difference in surfing speeds between the two, mostly because o2 uk's edge speed is l-a-m-e	16:14
tybollt	FIQ: no they don't, 3G still caps their connections right? I went w/ Telenor because they have no data limit on theirs.	16:14
DocScrutinizer	tybollt: (no national roaming) that's the standard aiui. Same here - except for O2 still using T-Mo in rural areas where they don't see profit for own BTS. They had to establish this contract thru swiss carrier's contract with T-Mo though	16:15
FIQ	"caps"	16:15
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FIQ	sorry my english.. caps=?	16:15
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nidO	has a data transfer limit	16:16
FIQ	ah	16:16
tybollt	DocScrutinizer: uhuh, so 3 in UK doesn't own an actual net then, they jsut rent it all?=	16:16
nidO	they have a 3g network	16:16
FIQ	i had unlimited for 199kr/month before	16:16
nidO	with suprisingly good coverage	16:16
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FIQ	now i have 5G limit for 89	16:16
nidO	but they also piggyback orange's network in areas they dont have their own	16:16
nidO	so you get full national coverage with 3, its just if you're somewhere rural your connection's going through orange	16:16
FIQ	and that's enough for me, even at N900	16:16
DocScrutinizer	tybollt: no idea about UK and 3	16:17
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FIQ	750MB down as of 16 march	16:17
FIQ	so around 3GB/month	16:17
Arif_	you should use more bw!	16:18
FIQ	i used 0.3GB/month at my old phone	16:18
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FIQ	and that was much for me then. :P	16:18
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FIQ	my old was a sony ericsson P1, a nice phone imo but pretty outdated nowdays	16:19
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* Arif_ uses about the same amount		16:19
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FIQ	wtf is happening?	16:19
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FIQ	were it a netsplit before?	16:20
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nidO	not recently	16:20
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Arif_	I used 5GB since 2 march apparently	16:20
Arif_	:(	16:20
FIQ	nice mass-join then	16:20
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FIQ	heh	16:20
FIQ	interesting thing:	16:20
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FIQ	my brother has a broadband from three, 199 per month, a limit at 3GB ithink	16:21
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FIQ	of the same operator (3)	16:21
FIQ	and i pay less and get more. :d	16:21
Arif_	we have great ISPs	16:21
Arif_	with 250MB/month limits	16:21
Arif_	:D	16:22
FIQ	nice	16:22
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Arif_	and voip is blocked	16:22
FIQ	wait, wut	16:22
FIQ	MB?	16:22
Arif_	yes	16:22
Arif_	MB	16:22
FIQ	lol	16:22
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nidO	FIQ german mobile operators are dreadful	16:22
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Arif_	I'm on the only unlimited dataplan in .nl	16:22
Arif_	nidO, Aldi talk \o/	16:23
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nidO	awful contracts, awful prices, awful limits	16:23
Arif_	I got 5GB for 15eur	16:23
FIQ	guess i'm pretty lucky then	16:23
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dmj726_n9001	unlimited data, no contract here	16:23
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nidO	ah	16:24
nidO	the split came late then.	16:24
Arif_	I'm on a contract....I pay more for internet than minutes	16:24
FIQ	uh	16:24
Arif_	:D	16:24
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jcrawford	Arif_, how is 5gb unlimited lol	16:26
Arif_	no	16:26
jcrawford	i would go throught that 5gb in 2 days probably rofl	16:26
Arif_	that was in Germany	16:26
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jcrawford	ah	16:26
nidO	though oddly, 5gb in the uk is unlimited	16:26
nidO	or 3gb, or 2gb	16:26
Hrww	hmm.. sdk/armel is updated too	16:26
dmj726_n9001	often carriers call 5gb unlimited in the us	16:26
Arif_	nidO, or 500MB?	16:26
Hrww	who tried upgrading n900 with sdk pacakges?	16:26
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nidO	yep	16:26
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Arif_	apparently at Voda NL 250MB is unlimited too	16:27
Arif_	:D	16:27
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nidO	somehow, the advertising watchdog here decided that advertising something as unlimited then putting a limit on it is all fine and good	16:27
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dmj726_n9001	umm that's not right	16:27
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Arif_	the only limit I have is I get capped to 384 after 2GB usage :(	16:27
lcuk	didnt they squirm out of it by saying you can connect anytime	16:28
dmj726_n9001	tmobile doesn't seem to have the 5gb cap as far as i could tell	16:28
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dmj726_n9001	i haven't managed to use 5gb though.	16:29
dmj726_n9001	n900 keeps connecting to the wifi	16:29
Appiah	use wlan switcher! :)	16:30
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Arif_	don't add your wlan ap!	16:30
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FIQ	the mouse enabling in browser is ugly	16:31
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dmj726_n9001	perfectly fine with it defaulting to wifi speeds though	16:31
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FIQ	my wlan sucks	16:32
Arif_	for some reason it takes ages to update the app manager	16:32
FIQ	almost only 2x faster than my 3g connections	16:32
Arif_	lol	16:32
Arif_	whats your wlan	16:32
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FIQ	hm, that appeals for my manger too	16:32
FIQ	it's annoying	16:32
Arif_	yeah	16:32
Arif_	takes ages to install multiple apps	16:33
Arif_	I wanna install everything from games	16:33
FIQ	it _should_ be 24Mbit/s	16:33
Arif_	;(	16:33
Arif_	wow	16:33
Arif_	you have 12Mb 3G?	16:33
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FIQ	but it's just 6Mbit down - in an ideal situration	16:33
FIQ	and downloads usually goes 90KB/s	16:33
FIQ	yay me	16:34
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MarcusM	Not worth getting a n900 for wlan and phone use only? :(	16:34
FIQ	3 is going to get 21Mbit/s 3.5G btw, but that's irrelevant	16:34
nidO	14mbit*	16:34
FIQ	hm	16:35
FIQ	maybe 14	16:35
FIQ	but w/e	16:35
nidO	ill believe that when it happens though	16:35
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Hrww	638 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 24 not upgraded.	16:36
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hrw	nice set of updates for n900	16:37
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MohammadAG	<Hrww> 638 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 24 not upgraded.	16:37
MohammadAG	hate it when that happens :/	16:37
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hrw	http://hrw.pastebin.com/bximjQ5z	16:38
hrw	MohammadAG: ?	16:38
hrw	why?	16:38
MohammadAG	When there are non upgradable packages	16:38
MohammadAG	kernel-flasher isn't getting updated here	16:39
MohammadAG	I hate having a 1 not upgraded at the end	16:39
hrw	ah.. they are upgradable probably too - a bit of manipulating	16:39
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MohammadAG	hrw, why not use HAM?	16:40
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MohammadAG	it's safer when doing system upgrades	16:40
hrw	MohammadAG: I need to check what is going to be upgraded - sdk repos are not device friendly	16:40
FredrIQ	[15:39:38] <MohammadAG> I hate having a 1 not upgraded at the end	16:40
FredrIQ	mksh install failed befor	16:40
FredrIQ	e	16:40
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FredrIQ	now i cannot upgrade, use it, even not uninstall	16:41
FredrIQ	:P	16:41
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FredrIQ	guess i can do it manually	16:41
FredrIQ	but i'm too lazy for it	16:41
Arif_	get a new N900!	16:42
hrw	making sensible backup of n900 takes time	16:42
MohammadAG	Arif_, not really helpful are you :p	16:42
Arif_	never am :)	16:42
MohammadAG	says a lot	16:42
MohammadAG	:p	16:42
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FredrIQ	Arif_: prefer reflash if i can choose... :p	16:43
Arif_	mostly because I have no idea about all hte loonix stuff :D	16:43
MarcusM	bye bye. I have to go to work to earn money for the n900 ._.	16:43
MohammadAG	Arif_, three years ago I was the same	16:44
FredrIQ	well	16:44
MohammadAG	everyone starts as a newbie	16:44
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FredrIQ	i use win on my computer (only because burning a live CD failed)	16:44
FredrIQ	i don't know that much about linux	16:44
Arif_	I use Win7 on my desktop	16:44
Arif_	my tv card doesn't work on Linux	16:44
Arif_	={	16:44
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FredrIQ	but i'm not a completly noob. :3	16:44
nidO	I use w7 on my desktop purely because it's the most productive workstation platform for me.	16:45
Arif_	yeah, that too	16:45
Arif_	it just works :P	16:45
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hrw	Arif_: dvb card?	16:45
Arif_	yea	16:45
Arif_	the card itself worked, but the CAM wasn't recognised ;(	16:46
FredrIQ	the thing i like most with linux (exept being so open) is the package manager idea	16:46
* FredrIQ wished win had that		16:46
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nidO	run by who though	16:46
Arif_	a windows 7 version of marketplace? :P	16:46
MohammadAG	I uninstalled Windows more than a year ago	16:46
nidO	im sure ms would love to offer it, and then imagine how much outcry there'd be	16:46
MohammadAG	what if windows goes open source	16:47
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hrw	MohammadAG: reactos?	16:47
Arif_	we'd have 40 different versions of Windows only 3 people used	16:47
FredrIQ	lol	16:47
Arif_	oh wait....thats Linux	16:47
FredrIQ	the only reason for having 38440372 distros is because having a linux for everyone	16:48
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rmrfchik_	FredrIQ: is think is more than 38440372 people live	16:48
rmrfchik_	i think	16:48
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Arif_	we could have 1 distro that works for most people too	16:49
MohammadAG	hrw, is it a linux distro using wine?	16:49
FredrIQ	i think not everybody uses comåuter	16:49
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FredrIQ	computers*	16:49
nidO	MohammadAG no	16:49
hrw	MohammadAG: no, it is foss implementation of ms windows	16:49
nidO	reactos is an oss o/s built entirely from scratch to mimic windows	16:49
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MohammadAG	looks interesting	16:50
MohammadAG	downloading	16:50
FredrIQ	reactos...	16:50
FredrIQ	my parents would love that distro	16:50
lcuk	they have much in common dont they? isnt one of the key devs a wine guy, or the other way round	16:50
FredrIQ	getting the stableness of linux and the UI from windows	16:50
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MohammadAG	35MBs, cool	16:50
lcuk	i just want the xp window manager in linux	16:50
nidO	except windows is perfectly stable when looked after, and its still not a linux distro.	16:50
ptl	Windows UI is crap	16:50
MohammadAG	FredrIQ, not a distro	16:50
MohammadAG	Compiz FTW	16:51
FredrIQ	hm	16:51
FredrIQ	a window manager? de?	16:51
lcuk	ubuntu has quirks	16:51
MohammadAG	Using GNOME	16:51
lcuk	err gnome	16:51
MohammadAG	:)	16:51
lcuk	and everyother wm has same	16:51
MohammadAG	KDE looks windows-y	16:51
MohammadAG	and it's resource heavy	16:51
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FredrIQ	i like kde	16:51
lcuk	look!=feel	16:51
FredrIQ	: <	16:52
Arif_	I need moar RAM	16:52
MohammadAG	lcuk, used it before	16:52
MohammadAG	again, it's resource heavy	16:52
MohammadAG	not sure how it'd run on this i5 though	16:52
FredrIQ	.5GB	16:52
FredrIQ	eh	16:52
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FredrIQ	wait	16:52
MohammadAG	oh well, installing it on ubuntu	16:52
FredrIQ	resource heavy..	16:52
FredrIQ	fail by me	16:53
Arif_	depends how much resources you have	16:53
Arif_	:P	16:53
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* ShadowJK purchases sygic for maemo		16:53
FredrIQ	kde isn't that resource heavy?	16:53
* MohammadAG asks ShadowJK to share it		16:53
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Arif_	ShadowJK, its only 1.8GB!	16:53
FredrIQ	i used it on my 3-4 years old computer	16:53
* MohammadAG says the last two letter's of ShadowJK's nick		16:53
MohammadAG	s/letter's/letters/	16:54
ShadowJK	MohammadAG, I doubt the key works on more than one device? :)	16:54
Arif_	it won't	16:54
MohammadAG	ShadowJK, I think someone mentioned it does	16:54
Arif_	the key is imei dependant	16:54
MohammadAG	shame it doesn't have maps for us	16:54
ShadowJK	they do now	16:54
Arif_	it does	16:54
MohammadAG	us = where I live, not US	16:54
Arif_	:D	16:54
FredrIQ	anyway, can someone put a simple guide on what to edit and how, to customize keyb layouts?	16:54
* FredrIQ wants tab		16:55
* Arif_ wants Turkish characters		16:55
MohammadAG	FredrIQ, in xchat?	16:55
FredrIQ	not just there	16:55
FredrIQ	everywhere	16:55
nidO	theres a turkish localization app in -testing iirc	16:55
ShadowJK	MohammadAG, can I guess	16:55
Arif_	yeah I have it	16:55
Arif_	I even did part of it :P	16:55
FredrIQ	but having tab enabled in xchat would be nice yeah	16:56
ShadowJK	oh, I would have guessed wrong	16:56
Arif_	but I can't type turkish characters on the hardware keyboard	16:56
Arif_	I always have to use the virtual one	16:56
MohammadAG	ShadowJK, guess what? :)	16:56
ShadowJK	MohammadAG, where you are	16:56
summel	:O symbian does not support ad hoc wifi connections? :(	16:56
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Arif_	summel, it should	16:56
Arif_	=P	16:56
FredrIQ	it does?	16:56
massoud	hey there	16:57
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summel	i get "function not supported" oO	16:57
Arif_	haha	16:57
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FredrIQ	and btw	16:57
MohammadAG	ShadowJK, my IP shows :o	16:57
ShadowJK	yes	16:57
massoud	there is no way to stop/disable wlancond ?	16:57
MohammadAG	why isn't cloaking enabled?	16:57
ShadowJK	But I made a guess in my head before I checked the IP	16:57
FredrIQ	tried to get hedgewars running through ARM Debian	16:57
MohammadAG	ShadowJK, well, say what you guessed then	16:57
ShadowJK	massoud, it has to support ad-hoc.. that's how joikuspot works :)	16:57
FredrIQ	it installs fine, but trying to start it result in "floating point exception"	16:58
ShadowJK	MohammadAG, I would have started my guessing with UAE	16:58
summel	ShadowJK: i can't connect to my ad-hoc network... creating one should work, yes	16:58
MohammadAG	ShadowJK, nope, think further away	16:58
FredrIQ	is that because N900 has to little resources, a common problem or a HW fail?	16:58
ShadowJK	MohammadAG, and then your IP says Israel	16:59
massoud	but i want to destroy my interface andrecreate them but the watch with wlancond wants to create the managed one	16:59
ShadowJK	fredrin, hedgewars fail	16:59
ShadowJK	FredrIQ, hedgewars fail	16:59
MohammadAG	ShadowJK, well you failed at guessing :p	16:59
mortal	how do I move the widgets on the screen?	17:00
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lcukn900	with the power of your mind	17:00
Arif_	and your finger	17:00
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lcukn900	orbarron, failing that enter edit mode on the desktop	17:01
mortal	with the stylus, it does not work	17:01
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MohammadAG	nice	17:01
MohammadAG	/scratchbox/login: line 237: 3110 Segmentation fault	17:01
lcukn900	click thr little gear icon	17:01
MohammadAG	as always :/	17:01
lcukn900	press bare desktop area, gear icon appears in top right, click, profit	17:01
MohammadAG	click an empty area and click the gear icon, or hold an empty area	17:01
mortal	will having swap enabled kill my sd card?	17:01
MohammadAG	it might wear the flash	17:02
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ShadowJK	"We will extend regional coverage in coming days with new region in every 2 or 3 days."	17:04
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MohammadAG	ShadowJK, I have Sygic maps	17:06
MohammadAG	but they're for an older edition	17:06
MohammadAG	car navigation system has it	17:07
Arif_	does it have .il maps?	17:07
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MohammadAG	yeah	17:08
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MohammadAG	Arif_, and in hebrew :/	17:08
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ShadowJK	is that bad?	17:08
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* noobmonk3y heard the words "Segmentation Fault".... crinnnnnnnnnge..		17:09
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MohammadAG	ShadowJK, I'm not installing a hebew keymap to run sygic	17:10
MohammadAG	plus I'm not that good in hebrew, so memorizing roadnames can be tedious for me	17:10
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ShadowJK	ah. I live in an officially bi-lingual area, where each place has two names. It's however pretty random WHICH name gps navigation softwares decide is the "correct" one, and in most towns people only know one of them, and it turns out to be the one that gps doesn't know about	17:11
Arif_	lol	17:11
Arif_	where might that be !	17:12
MohammadAG	ShadowJK, tri-lingual here	17:12
MohammadAG	:p	17:12
Arif_	whats the third?	17:12
Arif_	Hebrew, Arabic, English? :p	17:12
MohammadAG	English, Arabic, Hebew	17:12
ShadowJK	Arif_, west coast finland :P	17:12
DocScrutinizer	mortal: will reduce lifetime from 100 to 10 years	17:12
Arif_	ShadowJK, I didn't know Finland had two languages ;o	17:13
DocScrutinizer	mortal: btw swap is on eMMC, not on SD	17:13
MohammadAG	ShadowJK, the whole Middle East isn't on Sygic's site	17:13
ShadowJK	MohammadAG, they promised a new region every week or so in that massive thread on talk.maemo.org :)	17:14
ShadowJK	let's hope middle east comes :)	17:14
mortal	ok thanks	17:14
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Arif_	I'm suprised they have maps of Turkey	17:15
Arif_	as there are about 50 name changes every day	17:15
Arif_	:D	17:15
MohammadAG	Arif_, I was in Turkey more than 7 years ago	17:15
DocScrutinizer	who cares?	17:15
MohammadAG	loved the fact that you pay in millions	17:16
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ShadowJK	3 hours left on the download	17:16
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ShadowJK	I should have used my N900 to download sygic.. would have been faster :)	17:16
Arif_	well, you don't anymore	17:16
Arif_	they got rid of that in like....2004 :O	17:16
Arif_	or 2005	17:16
Arif_	somwhere long ago :D	17:16
DocScrutinizer	I guess you easily get change in millions though XP	17:17
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, LOL	17:19
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* lupine_85 wonders how useful the local dns resolver actually is		17:23
Arif_	nothing on the N900 is very useful :p	17:25
MohammadAG	Arif_, nothing on the iPhone is useful :P	17:26
Arkenoi	oops, sdk cannot work while selinux is in enforcing mode	17:26
Arif_	there's nothing on the iphone	17:26
orbarron	lcukn900: ???	17:26
Arkenoi	it really sucks	17:26
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nidO	a lot of the apps are though tbh, and most of the really useful ones dont get written for other platforms :<	17:26
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lcukn900	orbarron ?	17:27
lcuk	what sup orbarron	17:27
* orbarron thought you had ping me :P		17:27
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lcuk	i can if oyu like	17:28
lcuk	but which did you think i had said	17:28
RST38h	moo Arkenoi	17:31
RST38h	Arkenoi: Do not use SELinux =)	17:32
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ptl	Maemo 5 SDK 1.2 has just been released	17:33
ptl	http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html	17:33
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Arkenoi	RST38h, why? SELinux rulez.	17:34
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Arif_	ptl, is it made of win?	17:34
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Arkenoi	ptl: install guide still advises patching the script to make path layout reasonable :-/	17:36
ptl	Arkenoi: !	17:37
ptl	ok	17:37
ptl	I just tried it and if 'failed' to upgrade scratchbox	17:37
Arkenoi	actually the script is byte similar to previous version	17:38
petteri	ptl: with apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade?	17:38
ptl	petteri: is that really enough? I doubt so	17:38
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petteri	don't know. I am just wandering how to upgrade	17:39
petteri	maybe I will just try	17:39
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petteri	argh.. dpkg returnder error, while upgrading :/	17:43
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MohammadAG	708 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 32 not upgraded.	17:45
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DrGrov	Good day to all	17:46
Rabidus	god	17:46
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ptl	good... got it to upgrade using custom!	17:46
ptl	wow	17:46
ptl	708 new packages on scratchbox repository?	17:46
ptl	damn	17:47
petteri	ok, I got some conflicts while upgrading but with apt-get -f install sorted those and I am running now up-to-date scratchbox	17:47
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hrw	sbox... I am planning to upgrade my n900	17:47
MohammadAG	hmm, apt got upgraded	17:47
MohammadAG	meaning it should be more crippled now	17:47
ptl	I am trying through the install wizard.	17:47
ptl	More crippled?	17:47
ptl	Why do you think that?	17:48
petteri	hmm... the menu is reworked it seems	17:48
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ptl	which menu?	17:48
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DrGrov	hrw: how you mean upgrading your n900?	17:49
petteri	the menu what comes out when you tap on the left corner, where the application icons are	17:49
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ptl	huhh	17:49
ptl	I use catorise on my environment	17:49
Arif_	you should be able to move around stuff now	17:49
ptl	I'll uninstall it then	17:49
DrGrov	is there a new firmware??? :)	17:49
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nidO	the menu can now be manipulated without using catorise?	17:50
* DrGrov is lost		17:50
nidO	nice	17:50
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Arif_	DrGrov, no	17:50
nidO	DrGrov the pr1.2 sdk software is available, not the firmware itself for the device yet	17:50
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andrewfblack_	Anyway to get access to root files with gpe file manager?	17:50
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DrGrov	Arif_: ah, ok. i was wetting my pants almost :D lol	17:50
noobmonk3y	ooOOOoo new sdk	17:50
Arif_	everyone knows Nokia discontinued the N900	17:50
Arif_	:P	17:50
DrGrov	nidO: can the pr1.2 sdk be run in a linux environment?	17:50
noobmonk3y	Arif_: Not everyone, the trolls get the news 2 weeks later	17:51
Arif_	thats because they can't read ;(	17:51
noobmonk3y	ahhhhhhhhhh good point	17:51
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petteri	DrGrov: it runs only in linux	17:52
DrGrov	petteri: ah, of course. silly me :(	17:52
DrGrov	petteri: i must be lost.	17:52
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Arif_	petteri,has the media player changed?	17:53
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DrGrov	how is when taking out the qwerty keyboard, anyone got any issues with taking out and hiding the qwerty keyboard?	17:53
DrGrov	petteri: how could i download it for testing? anything particular dependencies needed?	17:53
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petteri	DrGrov: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK	17:54
petteri	Arif_: it seems the same	17:54
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Arif_	aw	17:54
DrGrov	petteri: thank you. will download it now.	17:54
Arif_	I hoped they added a "share" option to the media player too	17:55
Arif_	;~;	17:55
noobmonk3y	lol	17:55
DrGrov	petteri: can you check whether there is regular 3g/wlan video call?	17:55
noobmonk3y	Arif_: didn;t they say they would only add share in portrait mode ;) hehe	17:55
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Arif_	maybe they'll add symbian^3 to the N900!	17:56
noobmonk3y	lol after they winish with getting windows 7 ;)	17:56
noobmonk3y	finish*	17:56
Arif_	but Win7 has no multitasking	17:56
Arif_	or copy paste!	17:57
* nidO blinks at his 30 open windows		17:57
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* Arif_ hands nidO an iPheun		17:57
nidO	sweet	17:58
* noobmonk3y passes Arif_ the ifruit basket....		17:58
ech0dish	sygic works pretty good	17:58
Arif_	ooo	17:58
Arif_	crackberries!	17:58
noobmonk3y	lol!!	17:58
noobmonk3y	ooo sygic the one that costs?	17:58
Arif_	yeah sygic works well	17:58
d14_	:))	17:58
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ech0dish	one that costs people who abide by copyright laws lol	17:58
d14_	i want install it today x)	17:59
ech0dish	caugh torrent caugh	17:59
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noobmonk3y	meh happy to pay but wouldnt mind a demo	17:59
Arif_	coughspleelingcough	17:59
Arif_	:D	17:59
Arif_	and warez is bad, m'kay	17:59
Arif_	you must support the creators :(	17:59
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ech0dish	must support free software	17:59
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ech0dish	down with commercial!	18:00
Arif_	free software mostly sucks	18:00
Arif_	;D	18:00
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ech0dish	no it just gets stolen and resold with new shiny buttons	18:00
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* noobmonk3y wants to charge 10p for every healthchceck download... that would be £1,500 by now... darn........ (Ok take of the 14,999 who wouldnt pay lol)		18:01
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ech0dish	i would pay for joikuspot but thats about it, and only cause its 20 bucks lol	18:02
Arif_	I wouldn't pay 20USD for that	18:02
noobmonk3y	20? lol sure i paid alot less	18:02
Arif_	;P	18:02
ech0dish	15 euro for n900 version	18:02
SpeedEvil	noobmonk3y: I will pay a pound for healthcheck.	18:02
noobmonk3y	have to admit i actually havnt used it yet, but on holiday soon and will need it!	18:02
noobmonk3y	awwwwwwww	18:02
* noobmonk3y hugs SpeedEvil		18:02
SpeedEvil	noobmonk3y: If it properly reads blood glucose using the IR proximity meter.	18:02
noobmonk3y	yay!	18:02
noobmonk3y	SpeedEvil: when they include a needle and blood reader in a next firmware update, consider it done ;)	18:03
ech0dish	anyone tried running backtrack on the n900 lol?	18:03
Arif_	I'd pay for KMplayer if it didn't suck	18:03
Arif_	=D	18:03
noobmonk3y	ech0dish: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45472&highlight=backtrack	18:04
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noobmonk3y	it does suck a bit... to be fair the standard player has been fine for me	18:04
Arif_	the built in player is even worse :P	18:04
SpeedEvil	The standard player has a few issues	18:04
noobmonk3y	does it?	18:05
Arif_	it lacks such features as "repeat"	18:05
noobmonk3y	been fine for me, i download from ip[layer and watch... works fine :D	18:05
noobmonk3y	meh, dont need that so thats prob why i havnt missed it	18:05
Arif_	and a search button	18:05
nidO	my main issue with the standard player is it's brokenness with upnp	18:06
noobmonk3y	havn't amassed the porn collection as large as Arif_'s yet... so dont need search ;)	18:06
Arif_	and a share button :P	18:06
Arif_	and....and.....	18:06
noobmonk3y	Arif_: only in portrait mode, lol.....	18:06
Arif_	noobmonk3y, I don't have any video material :(	18:06
noobmonk3y	awwww .... the sun still has a customer in you :D	18:06
ech0dish	hahaha this is the sickest shit ever, bt on a n900 rofl.. de auths to all!1!	18:06
FredrIQ	does vncviewer fails or the server?	18:07
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noobmonk3y	wouldnt really call it sick shit.... lemonparty..... now that is........	18:07
noobmonk3y	FredrIQ: both at times :P	18:07
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Arif_	noobmonk3y, I do have 3000 songs....and its hard to find something when the search crashes :P	18:07
noobmonk3y	ahhh good point	18:07
FredrIQ	as i without problems can connect through internet (not through 127.0.0.1) at the machine	18:07
Lantizia	Afternoon!... anyone know if I can completely disable the screen going in to power save? (i.e. I want it to only happen if I use the switch on the side of the N900) ?	18:08
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FredrIQ	but i'm unable to do it through N900	18:08
nidO	untick "lock screen automatically"	18:08
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nidO	@ Lantizia	18:08
Lantizia	nidO, I don't see that - which screen?	18:08
FredrIQ	i use tightvnc	18:08
nidO	settings > display	18:08
Lantizia	FredrIQ thats part the reason I want this :) it gets annoying when using X11VNC	18:09
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Lantizia	nid0- right so it's the "lock screen automatically" that obverses the "Backlight time-out" value?	18:10
Lantizia	nid0- and the "power saving mode" option has nothing to do with it?	18:10
FredrIQ	and i'm not on a linux machine, so no X = no X11VNC	18:10
Lantizia	FreqrIQ - nah I mean X11VNC on the N900... you can use any vnc viewer	18:10
nidO	I don't really know what the powersaving mode does but the backlight-timeout value just dims the screen after no action, then after a while longer the screen shuts down and locks	18:10
Lantizia	ok thanks	18:11
nidO	if you disable the lock, the screen just dims but is still usable	18:11
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Lantizia	maybe the power save disables the dimming ?	18:12
noobmonk3y	there is a backlight app though isnt there?	18:12
noobmonk3y	so you could keep it on indefinitley	18:12
Lantizia	whats freemantle-1.2 ... I noticed it in the repo directory listings	18:12
noobmonk3y	1.2 of the fremantle sdk?	18:13
Lantizia	think I'll leave that whatever it is lol - anyway I only went digging though there... because Bounce won't install	18:13
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Lantizia	it doesn't show up in the application manger, and if I use apt-get I get ... "E: Handler silently failed"	18:14
Lantizia	was the Bounce demo pulled?	18:14
MohammadAG	Lantizia, use the Ovi Store	18:15
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MohammadAG	Nokia crippled apt, installing using apt-get isn't possible	18:15
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noobmonk3y	awwwwwwww	18:15
Lantizia	MohammadAG, so bounce is only available via that now? not in extras or testing?	18:15
Lantizia	I use apt-get all the time over SSH on the N900	18:16
MohammadAG	Lantizia, it's only available through the ovi store	18:16
FredrIQ	[17:15:55] <MohammadAG> Nokia crippled apt, installing using apt-get isn't possible	18:16
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FredrIQ	apt-get install (someappname)?	18:16
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MohammadAG	FredrIQ, that works, unless that app's in the ovi store repo	18:17
FredrIQ	k	18:17
MohammadAG	same as with Jokispot's repo	18:17
Lantizia	aah... so it's a purposeful restriction?	18:17
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RST38h	But if you know where to download Bounce levels from, you can still install it with dpkg, right?	18:17
Lantizia	i.e. Ovi is APT... but the apt-get tool has been modifed to not let you use apt-get with that APT repo?	18:17
FredrIQ	[17:17:51] <RST38h> But if you know where to download Bounce levels from, you can still install it with dpkg, right?	18:17
FredrIQ	more bounce levels? : D	18:17
Lantizia	yeah... what extra bounce leevelS?!??S!? OMG OMG	18:18
RST38h	Sorry, not Bounce, Angry Birds	18:18
MohammadAG	Lantizia, yes	18:18
noobmonk3y	bounce levels?!?!?!	18:18
MohammadAG	first thing, not bounce levels	18:18
* RST38h cackles		18:18
FredrIQ	meeh	18:18
MohammadAG	<Lantizia> aah... so it's a purposeful restrictio	18:18
MohammadAG	yes, and it fails	18:18
FredrIQ	i liked bounce but it has too few levels	18:18
Lantizia	with ... E: Handler silently failed	18:18
Lantizia	FredrIQ, you mean like... 1	18:19
MohammadAG	ham uses ..../MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache	18:19
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FredrIQ	uhm, yes	18:19
MohammadAG	cp'ing the dev from there is easy	18:19
FredrIQ	yay my english	18:19
MohammadAG	therefore piracy can't be solved by crippling apt	18:19
RST38h	Of course it cannot	18:19
MohammadAG	I want the 44-1 apt :(	18:19
MohammadAG	RST38h, Nokia thinks otherwise	18:19
Lantizia	get the .deb for it :)	18:19
FredrIQ	lol	18:19
RST38h	You want a proper repo mechanism to distribute software securely	18:20
RST38h	MohammadAG: I doubt Nokia ever thought about it	18:20
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FredrIQ	why don't just use a special repository and package manager for Ovi?	18:20
RST38h	MohammadAG: I would say, use make web server serve .debs encoded with client's MAC address and send decryption keys separately	18:21
MohammadAG	OH GOD	18:21
MohammadAG	PR1.2 menu sucks!	18:21
MohammadAG	no more more	18:21
MohammadAG	everything's trashed in the main menu	18:21
Lantizia	whats 1.2? the next incarnation?	18:21
MohammadAG	oh wait!	18:21
FredrIQ	is it even released?	18:21
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MohammadAG	you can rearrange the menu!!!	18:21
ptl	lol	18:21
ptl	Lantizia: yes	18:21
noobmonk3y	lol!	18:22
ptl	nooo	18:22
RST38h	MohammadAG <-- trolling as we speak	18:22
ptl	it's on scratchbox	18:22
ptl	calm down, guys	18:22
Lantizia	if I swap my repo to fremantle-1.2 will I get it?! :D	18:22
FredrIQ	ah	18:22
MohammadAG	RST38h, :(	18:22
noobmonk3y	Lantizia: no lol	18:22
ptl	PR 1.2 is out for the scratchbox environment ONLY	18:22
ptl	along with the SDK	18:22
MohammadAG	RST38h, I just updated the scratchbox, I'm not trolling :(	18:22
RST38h	Ahhahaha	18:22
MohammadAG	I have screenies :p	18:22
noobmonk3y	Lantizia: if you download the scratchbox, then yes, you will have it on your linux machine :D	18:22
FredrIQ	but that will mean, not long until release	18:22
FredrIQ	.. I think	18:22
RST38h	lcuk DID try to sacrifice me :)))	18:22
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ptl	and... in other news... The N900 has been officially announced for my country (Brazil)	18:22
Lantizia	does 1.2 finally fix ogg album art?	18:22
* noobmonk3y already knows he has a bug in his software when run on 1.2 :(		18:22
* Lantizia prays for that		18:22
Lantizia	I need my music to look PRETTY	18:23
RST38h	MohammadAG: Just this morning, lcuk said he is gonna sacrifice me to get PR1.2 and I told him that he shouldn't complain about getting x86 flavor only then	18:23
MohammadAG	should I start a new thread mentioning the changes?	18:23
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MohammadAG	lol	18:23
RST38h	MohammadAG: And GUESS WHAT? =)	18:23
noobmonk3y	lol there is already one out there	18:23
* RST38h strokes his crystal balls		18:23
noobmonk3y	MohammadAG: Troll the forums - someone has listed changes	18:23
ptl	we'll need to create a new channel #maemo-PR1.2	18:23
ptl	lol	18:23
MohammadAG	Clear device is back!	18:23
noobmonk3y	lols	18:23
noobmonk3y	install healthcheck on it and watch it fail please :( - want a second confirmation lol	18:24
MohammadAG	ok, browser keeps closing :(	18:24
MohammadAG	noobmonk3y, downloading	18:24
noobmonk3y	yay!	18:24
MohammadAG	(cc timeless_mbp ?)	18:24
ShadowJK	DocScrutinizer, who is this "blue_led" person on the forums	18:25
noobmonk3y	no idea	18:25
noobmonk3y	but wasnt aimed at me lol	18:25
ShadowJK	seems to also have concluded bq27200 isn't used..	18:25
noobmonk3y	anyway ... almost home time ;D	18:25
MohammadAG	noobmonk3y, works for me	18:25
MohammadAG	but the UI fails	18:25
timeless_mbp	?	18:25
noobmonk3y	Yayyyyyyy	18:25
noobmonk3y	oh	18:25
noobmonk3y	not so yay	18:25
* timeless_mbp is sick		18:25
noobmonk3y	so doesnt work?	18:25
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MohammadAG	sorry to hear timeless_mbp :(	18:26
MohammadAG	get well soon mate	18:26
MohammadAG	noobmonk3y, it's half cut	18:26
MohammadAG	and everything's extra huge	18:26
lcuk	RST38h, your crystal balls were thrown into the fire	18:26
noobmonk3y	:\|	18:26
lcuk	you a eunuck now	18:26
noobmonk3y	drunken UI? lol!	18:26
* noobmonk3y waves at lcuk		18:26
timeless_mbp	MohammadAG: yeah, you can rearrange	18:26
timeless_mbp	or you can use catorize	18:26
lcuk	hiya noobmonk3y	18:26
timeless_mbp	it isn't perfect and doesn't mix well w/ rearranging, but	18:27
MohammadAG	timeless_mbp, I'm talking about the web browser crashes	18:27
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timeless_mbp	MohammadAG: did you install crash-reporter?	18:27
MohammadAG	maemo-launcher: invoking '/usr/bin/browser.launch'	18:27
MohammadAG	browser[12469]: GLIB WARNING ** GVFS-RemoteVolumeMonitor - remote volume monitor with dbus name org.gtk.Private.HalVolumeMonitor is not supported	18:27
MohammadAG	maemo-launcher: opening of /usr/bin/browser.launch took 7020 usec	18:27
MohammadAG	and the crash	18:28
timeless_mbp	install crash-reporter	18:28
MohammadAG	browserd[12470]: GLIB DEBUG default - wb-new:0xa194800:eal	18:28
MohammadAG	browserd[12470]: GLIB WARNING ** default - Client disconnected, KILL self	18:28
MohammadAG	maemo-launcher: child (pid=12469) terminated due to exit()=127	18:28
MohammadAG	ok	18:28
timeless_mbp	but is this sdk or device?	18:28
MohammadAG	SDK	18:28
timeless_mbp	note that it doesn't look like a crash	18:28
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timeless_mbp	it looks like a failure to include enough packages in an update	18:28
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timeless_mbp	which means you should file a bug against the sdk team	18:29
lcuk	quickly :)	18:29
timeless_mbp	presumably it's reproducible	18:29
timeless_mbp	get someone to confirm, and yeah, as lcuk said, confirm and file quickly	18:29
MohammadAG	vkb was changed?	18:29
timeless_mbp	note that i'm sick, so i'm done for the week	18:29
timeless_mbp	yes vkb was essentially redone	18:29
lcuk	:( timeless_mbp	18:29
DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: (bluled) no idea. (bq27k) where? pointer please	18:30
petteri	microb works for me with up-to-date scratchbox	18:30
lcuk	it would be good now the repositoriy is coming online to have as many identified confirmed issues as possible in the trackers	18:30
MohammadAG	kept back: tablet-browser-ui	18:30
petteri	MohammadAG: try fakeroot apt-get update && fakeroot apt-get dist-upgrade , so that you see that all packages are updated	18:30
timeless_mbp	anyway, as far as i'm concerned, bugs in the sdk are bugs in the sdk	18:30
ShadowJK	DocScrutinizer, eh I forget, it was a 3-word reply in a silly "waaah my battery only charges to 1200mAh waaah whine whine"-thread	18:30
timeless_mbp	not in the browser	18:30
timeless_mbp	if you do something stupid like pinning a related package	18:31
timeless_mbp	then well, you did something stupid	18:31
MohammadAG	dist-upgrade-ing	18:31
ShadowJK	I only paid attention to it since that blue_led person seems generally knowledgeable and has written detailed posts elsewhere	18:31
lcuk	noobmonk3y,	18:31
ptl	pinning a related package? would Hildon Application Manager respect it?	18:32
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ptl	why I have the N900 connected to the wall charger and he still reports discharing?	18:36
ptl	battery.rechargeable.is_discharging = true (bool)	18:36
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ptl	*why do	18:36
zap_	pre-installed-documentation-rx44 is not in repository? I can't upgrade a old N810 with firmware 30	18:36
ptl	*s/ he still/ it still/	18:36
luke-jr	ptl: because Nokia doesn't want you to control your battery charger	18:36
DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: well, yes. but a little captain obvious	18:36
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ptl	luke-jr: how could I change my control over my battery charger with or without this information?	18:37
luke-jr	knowledge is power! :p	18:37
ptl	...and the power reports as discharging.	18:38
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DocScrutinizer	ptl: because it is discharging	18:38
nidO	did you charge it to full, leave it plugged in, and now check it?	18:38
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DocScrutinizer	~tell ptl about batteryfaq	18:38
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ShadowJK	On N8x0 the battery is discharging throughout 50% of the charge cycle :)	18:39
ShadowJK	in tiny bits	18:40
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dmj726_n9001	rocha: you wrote ocrfeeder, right?	18:41
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MohammadAG	Can someone confirm the file manager is broken in the SDK?	18:42
MohammadAG	(top menu)	18:43
Arif_	MohammadAG, can you check if they added share to the media player :P	18:43
MohammadAG	Videos only have "Delete"	18:44
MohammadAG	nope	18:44
Arif_	musiks?	18:44
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Arif_	bah	18:44
Arif_	ihu nokia....	18:44
MohammadAG	file manager has share option	18:44
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Arif_	yeah....that's useful	18:45
MohammadAG	Yep, petrovich no longer needed	18:45
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DocScrutinizer	fsck share! Hope they added playlist-edit	18:45
Arif_	thats the same as using petrovich	18:45
Arif_	scrolling through 3000 files	18:45
Arif_	:P	18:45
tybollt	MohammadAG: PR 1.2 released?	18:45
MohammadAG	tybollt, SDK updated	18:45
nidO	sdk is	18:45
tybollt	wtf?	18:45
tybollt	oh ok :)	18:45
tybollt	heh	18:45
tybollt	yaya	18:45
MohammadAG	File manager no longer broken, weird	18:45
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Arif_	is there a search in file manager?	18:46
tybollt	btw	18:46
DocScrutinizer	tybollt: wrong syntax	18:46
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, no edit from what I can see	18:46
DocScrutinizer	~wtf sdk	18:46
infobot	Gee... I don't know what sdk means...	18:46
tybollt	my friends problem w/ the N900 that suddenly "comes alive" although he has used the disable-screen-button on the side... I now know what the problem is...	18:47
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tybollt	he's got one of those belt pouches	18:47
tybollt	w/ a magnetic seal	18:47
nidO	magnetic clasp	18:47
nidO	easy	18:47
tybollt	yes	18:47
tybollt	nid++	18:47
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DocScrutinizer	tybollt: oooh fsck	18:48
tybollt	so my analysis is that the magnet in the belt pouch is trigguering the camera slider mechanism and the device actually thinks the camera door opened and thus activates, is that it?	18:48
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Arif_	how the fuck does the file manager sort files	18:48
DocScrutinizer	seen that here as well :-S	18:48
Arif_	its just random	18:48
Arif_	!	18:48
nidO	luckily its only clasps on the bottom of the phone (when in portrait) that does it - my case is magnetic as well but the clasp is in the middle bottom (while in landscape) so doesnt screw with it	18:48
tybollt	anyway I told him to go get a velcro pouch - problem solved	18:48
nidO	tybollt thats right but its the keyboard slider not camera slider	18:48
tybollt	nid, ah, sorry, of course it is, d'oh :)	18:49
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DocScrutinizer	nidO: no, I guess it's the backlid hotswap reedswitch	18:50
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DocScrutinizer	unmounting the uSD	18:50
nbdarvin	hello, are there any gsoc mentors here?)	18:51
DocScrutinizer	at least that one is much closer to the bottom surface than the kbd slide reed	18:51
Arif_	hmm	18:51
DocScrutinizer	camera is no reed at all	18:51
nidO	it triggers from the top as well / more	18:51
DocScrutinizer	hmm	18:51
nidO	with the magnet in my case, the screen will always light up if the magnet's placed over the screen in bottom right corner (in landscape) but not if its in the same place on the back of the device	18:52
ptl	DocScrutinizer: ok... I got it, it discharges even when plugged. Ok... didn't know that, thanks	18:52
DocScrutinizer	dmesg should make clear what's going on	18:52
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DocScrutinizer	ptl: yw	18:52
nidO	yeah sec ill check it	18:52
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tybollt	no	18:52
tybollt	iw	18:52
tybollt	!!!	18:52
tybollt	what does the omweather author use as nickname on here?	18:53
* tybollt forget		18:53
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nidO	its not the cover switch	18:53
nidO	Nokia-N900-02-8:~# cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch	18:53
nidO	closed	18:53
nidO	with a magnet lighting the screen	18:53
MohammadAG	timeless_mbp, was scrolling changed?	18:54
MohammadAG	seems snappier on the SDK (could be because of the i5 processor - which is why I'm asking)	18:54
timeless_mbp	um	18:54
timeless_mbp	we upgraded from an out of date gecko to 1.9.2	18:55
DocScrutinizer	nidO: dmesg -> [31942.153198] slide (GPIO 71) is now open	18:55
timeless_mbp	and did a lot of perf work	18:55
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timeless_mbp	so, it's more like 'i can't think of something that wasn't changed'	18:55
MohammadAG	rendering seems much much quicker!	18:55
petteri	the browser is really much faster on the sb than before	18:55
nidO	yar. thats the keyboard slider switch doing it	18:56
DocScrutinizer	nidO: vs [32023.805236] mmc0: cover is open, card is now inaccessible	18:56
nidO	did you get that from using a magnet? i've just tested a magnet front and back and its the slider thats tripping the screen both ways	18:57
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DocScrutinizer	nidO: I got that from opening back co ver, rsp sliding out kbd	18:58
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andrewfblack_	anyway to open GPE file Manager or regular file manager with access to root files	19:00
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nidO	afaik not	19:00
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DocScrutinizer	well I got a sound signal attached to all switch action now, so I'll notice if ever my magnetich pouch will mess with the reeds	19:00
andrewfblack_	I really don't want to sit here and type out all these commands lol	19:00
Jaffa	andrewfblack_: You know of tab-completion, right? ;-)	19:01
DocScrutinizer	andrewfblack_: filer requester lib is braindamaged - you'll always only get access to MyDocs and SDcard	19:02
DocScrutinizer	andrewfblack_: I suggest you give mc a try	19:02
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andrewfblack_	Jaffa in xterm?	19:04
DocScrutinizer	yup	19:04
andrewfblack_	nope didn't know that	19:04
DocScrutinizer	in shell to be precise	19:04
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DocScrutinizer	best feature ever of shell	19:05
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andrewfblack_	well come to thing about it I remember doing it back in the day but never thought about it because n900 doesn't ahve tab key but I do remember the tab button now	19:05
DocScrutinizer	give two tabs to list alternatives	19:05
DocScrutinizer	also works for cmd names	19:06
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Jaffa	andrewfblack_: Having 'tab' in osso-xterm's button bar is a life saver!	19:07
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DocScrutinizer	and inability to define new qualifier keys there is a royal PITA	19:08
DocScrutinizer	like "Alt"	19:08
andrewfblack_	Jaffa: well its kinda funny I used to work with Linux in Shell form only for years then I went away from it for about 8 years and then got N810 and got back into linux on it and now on desktops some but I forgot most the shell stuff I used to know	19:09
* Jaffa nods. You can do it via gconf, I believe.		19:09
DocScrutinizer	Jaffa: nope	19:09
DocScrutinizer	not afaik	19:09
MohammadAG	PR1.2 changes, for now, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=577393	19:09
pupnik	picodrive has a pretty impressive lack of tearing	19:09
Jaffa	DocScrutinizer: http://mg.pov.lt/blog/maemo-flood.html	19:10
MohammadAG	does anyone know of a way to rotate the screen in the SDK?	19:10
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DocScrutinizer	Jaffa: all not qualifier keys	19:11
DocScrutinizer	Jaffa: I know you can create new printing keys, but you can not create things like "shift" "alt" etc	19:12
DocScrutinizer	though there's "ctrl" by default	19:12
DocScrutinizer	which is largely useless as we got that on hw kbd	19:12
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* slackmagic is going to miss his n900 while being shipped off for replacement.		19:17
DocScrutinizer	Jaffa: (can not) at least I failed when I tried on N810 back when	19:18
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DocScrutinizer	Jaffa: I doubt there changed a lot	19:18
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* ptl uninstalling petrovich and catorise in anticipation of PR 1.2		19:19
timeless_mbp	ptl: bah	19:20
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timeless_mbp	you can keep them	19:20
timeless_mbp	there's very little harm	19:20
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timeless_mbp	they do uninstall safely	19:20
ptl	with petrovich I guess so	19:20
timeless_mbp	and petrovich still works in 1.2	19:20
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nidO	but has no real benefit	19:20
MiXu-	PR1.2 isn't even coming yet, is it?	19:20
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ptl	but since PR1.2 messes with the menus, I'd rather not risk any incompatibility from catorise.	19:20
timeless_mbp	i've been using it for a while	19:20
DocScrutinizer	nidO: due to braindead file requester	19:21
timeless_mbp	the only break i get is that reordering does something stupid	19:21
ptl	MiXu-: SDK 1.2 went out, and (some?) PR1.2 changes are on it	19:21
timeless_mbp	fwiw, for the task of sending files, i find petrovich easier to use than file manager	19:21
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ptl	anyway, i was sort of tired of the B&W look of catorise categories	19:21
* DocScrutinizer thinks of replacing the original file requester .so by a patched version...		19:21
Shapeshifter	Has someone figured out how to make proper filters in gmail? :\| this is infant-grade stuff, only takes "To:" but not "CC:" or other fields, and there's no multiple filters, like TO: foo excluding CC: bar etc.	19:21
MiXu-	ptl: Yeah, but that doesn't mean the firmware itself is ready yet :)	19:21
timeless_mbp	Shapeshifter: eh?	19:22
timeless_mbp	you can certainly do complex filters	19:22
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timeless_mbp	Matches: (listid:(opensolaris-code.opensolaris.org) OR list:"website-discuss.opensolaris.org" OR list:"install-discuss.opensolaris.org")	19:22
ptl	MiXu-: I know, I agree, but I am anxious, and I'd get anxious when it is out, so I do not want having to recall to uninstall these 2 apps at that time	19:22
timeless_mbp	Matches: (-{to:(developers@bugzilla.org) to:(rsa@soref.com) to:(josh@soref.us) from:(josh@soref.us) from:(cron daemon) from:(mozilla.dev.planning group <noreply@googlegroups.com>) bugzilla-daemon@mozilla.org bugzilla-daemon@lists.maemo.org from:(extras-cauldron-builds@garage.maemo.org) whatwg subject:(tools-discuss) from:weewar Matches: from:(bugzilla-daemon@defect.opensolaris.org) from:(bugzilla-daemon@lv-defect.opensolaris.org) listid:(x	19:22
Shapeshifter	timeless_mbp: and where do I put that?	19:22
timeless_mbp	'has the words'	19:23
Shapeshifter	the "Create a filter" mask only has 5 fields.	19:23
Shapeshifter	ah	19:23
Shapeshifter	ookay	19:23
timeless_mbp	that part of the ui isn't the greatest	19:23
timeless_mbp	but it definitely works :)	19:23
Shapeshifter	great, let's see...	19:23
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timeless_mbp	as you can see, i have a fairly long filter :)	19:23
Shapeshifter	yep	19:24
timeless_mbp	that rule is: Do this: Apply label "Personal"	19:24
MiXu-	ptl: I know what you mean. I can't wait myself. :)	19:24
timeless_mbp	basically anything which isn't any of those is \personal\	19:24
MohammadAG	<ptl> MiXu-: SDK 1.2 went out, and (some?) PR1.2 changes are on it	19:24
MohammadAG	seems like all to me	19:24
MohammadAG	nvm, nokia maps isn't on it	19:24
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Shapeshifter	timeless_mbp: well I'll need to figure out how to write a filter that labels all mail from the maemo-developers list with "maemo-developers" and mark them as read, except those including me in to:	19:25
timeless_mbp	Shapeshifter: trivial	19:26
ptl	MohammadAG: btw, saw your post, thanks for the screenshots	19:26
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MohammadAG	np, thanks for mentioning PR1.2 being updated	19:26
MohammadAG	:)	19:26
timeless_mbp	Shapeshifter: start w/ 'filter messages like this'	19:26
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DocScrutinizer	Shapeshifter: how about adding a mini changelog to the "about" of the package?	19:28
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Shapeshifter	DocScrutinizer: I usually add the latest change to the package when building it. doesn't that show up?	19:30
Shapeshifter	timeless_mbp: thanks	19:30
DocScrutinizer	Shapeshifter: seems to me it doesn't, in HAM	19:30
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Shapeshifter	DocScrutinizer: mh. maybe has something to do with py2deb.	19:32
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Shapeshifter	I should switch to the new thing Khertan made	19:33
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DocScrutinizer	you could edit the generic "about" containing the verbose pgk description	19:34
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Shapeshifter	DocScrutinizer: mh. it's not even visible in apt-cache show alarmed	19:36
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DocScrutinizer	for sure we can wait until meego87 til appmanager will show a separate changelog	19:37
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* MohammadAG is thinking of something crazy		19:37
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MohammadAG	adding the SDK repo and updating the N900	19:37
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crs	Hi there all. Have had n900 connected to charger overnight, I did nothing and in the morning I have realized that all my conversations are gone. They were there yesterday. Did such a thing happen to anyone else?	19:37
DocScrutinizer	muhaha	19:37
MohammadAG	crs, usually a restart helps, if you haven't done that	19:38
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, go/no?	19:38
crs	MohammadAG: Ok, will try now.	19:38
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: well, install qemu to execute the x86 ELFs	19:38
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, why's that?	19:39
MohammadAG	there are ARMEL updates	19:39
MohammadAG	I think	19:39
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: I have no clue about SDK	19:39
MohammadAG	most probably asking for a brick	19:39
MohammadAG	but what the heck, I'm bored	19:39
DocScrutinizer	lol	19:40
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DocScrutinizer	gooo, MohammadAG GOOOOO! :-D	19:40
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DocScrutinizer	thenmake a youtube vid from that - eternal fame :-P	19:41
MohammadAG	lol, I don't care about fame and stuff	19:42
crs	MohammadAG: Yep, got them back. Thanks a lot.	19:42
MohammadAG	or credit etc...	19:42
MohammadAG	np, reboots solve a lot of problems crs	19:42
MohammadAG	(and sometimes create more, but that's rare)	19:42
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crs	MohammadAG: That was the idea on my previous win based htc. Why I wanted n900 was because i hate restarts. :P	19:43
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, what'd ya know	19:44
MohammadAG	434 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 1 to remove and 43 not upgraded.	19:44
MohammadAG	I'm worried about the 43	19:44
* DocScrutinizer takes bets on whether boot will free up sufficient storage in /, or will brick the device XP		19:44
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, this isn't important is it The following packages will be REMOVED:	19:45
MohammadAG	mp-fremantle-generic-pr	19:45
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* MohammadAG laughs devilishly		19:45
DocScrutinizer	MUHAHA	19:45
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MohammadAG	Installing	19:45
* GAN900 now wants to make an Insteon/Indigo application for Maemo.		19:45
* MohammadAG looks 5 minutes into the future		19:45
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MohammadAG	(MohammadAG: bah, didn't work, reflashing)	19:46
* DocScrutinizer cackles		19:46
GAN900	DocScrutinizer, minus the non-hardened security nature of Insteon it's really quite nice.	19:46
Shapeshifter	w00t, teeworlds!	19:46
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Shapeshifter	oh and it runs well	19:51
Shapeshifter	1st good native game. a bit hard to control though	19:51
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, unpacking	19:57
petteri	MohammadAG: you are upgrading n900?	19:57
MohammadAG	(as in Preparing to replace and unpacking)	19:57
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MohammadAG	petteri, indirectly, yes	19:57
javispedro	nooooooooooo the bugtracker link parser is failing me again	19:57
MohammadAG	seems to be working for now	19:57
* javispedro uses the dark side of the force to choke the packages interface		19:58
* andrewfblack_ wonders if works Slide to Unlock on Lockscreen can be changed or removed		19:58
MohammadAG	"for now" underlined twice	19:58
petteri	MohammadAG: cool :)	19:58
MohammadAG	Andrewfblack, there's an app for that	19:58
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andrewfblack_	andrewfblack_: lol would be nice if their was my new theme doens't slide its tap/press to unlock	19:58
* DocScrutinizer bets 10 bucks on epic fail ;-P		19:59
hrw	upgrading n900 to sdk packages	19:59
DocScrutinizer	andrewfblack_: sorry, I fail to get your posts parsed	20:01
andrewfblack_	DocScrutinizer: ?	20:02
hrw	Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on	20:02
hrw	rootfs 227.4M 222.4M 888.0k 100% /	20:02
hrw	crap	20:02
DocScrutinizer	pfft	20:02
DocScrutinizer	I guess that's exactly what we'll see on real pr1.2 update too	20:03
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hrw	DocScrutinizer: nope - nokia will just say 'one more week' and do release in november	20:04
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DocScrutinizer	or maybe, just maybe... nah, I should stop daydreaming	20:04
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dmj726_n900	jrocha? I'm interested in using some of the tech from ocrfeeder in maemo.	20:04
MohammadAG	hrw, haha, 62% free!	20:05
jrocha	dmj726_n900, hi	20:05
jrocha	dmj726_n900, what do you mean?	20:05
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: haha, mp-fremantle-generic-pr removed successfully	20:05
hrw	MohammadAG: what you moved?	20:06
MohammadAG	hrw, most of /usr/share	20:06
hrw	ah	20:06
dmj726_n900	what does ocrfeeder do to determine text vs image?	20:06
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, not really, it's a meta package afaik	20:06
MohammadAG	and last time I tested, the device reboots if it's removed	20:06
MohammadAG	still waiting for my brick	20:06
DocScrutinizer	~nuke optification	20:07
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at optification ... B☢☢M!		20:07
DocScrutinizer	fix your fsckng partitoning, Nokia!!!	20:07
hrw	I see that lot of apps will require rebuilding	20:07
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, agreed	20:07
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hrw	you should curse TI and memory/nand chip vendors	20:08
DocScrutinizer	duh, why?	20:08
MohammadAG	hrw, nokia could've used two chips	20:09
C-S-B	how well are people finding the GPS without network assistance?	20:09
MohammadAG	or three	20:09
dmj726_n900	jrocha: I'm planning to make an accessiblity app to read the text from images taken with the camera but i need it to know the difference between the text and anything else on the page.	20:09
MohammadAG	or four	20:09
MohammadAG	one for each directory	20:09
C-S-B	I know theres a bug report	20:09
MohammadAG	/usr on a chip	20:09
MohammadAG	/var on a chip	20:09
cityLights2	DocScrutinizer: hi	20:09
hrw	MohammadAG: omap3 uses pop-on-module chip for memory+nand	20:09
cityLights2	hi hrw	20:09
MohammadAG	/etc on a chip (ok that's more than needed)	20:09
C-S-B	Just wondering how well its working	20:09
hrw	hi cityLights2	20:09
MohammadAG	hrw, I doubt they can't add extra ones	20:09
jrocha	dmj726_n900, I see	20:09
DocScrutinizer	C-S-B: GPS without assistance is borked for now	20:09
cityLights2	say after I run openvpn and establish a connection I get tap0	20:09
jrocha	dmj726_n900, that's kinda what OCRFeeder does	20:10
MohammadAG	I know the 256MB one will be there in all cases	20:10
C-S-B	DocScrutinizer completely?	20:10
hrw	MohammadAG: if they guy other ver of omap3 then they can	20:10
DocScrutinizer	C-S-B: 75%	20:10
C-S-B	DocScrutinizer is it at the HW level or software?	20:10
jrocha	dmj726_n900, I need to run now but we can talk about it later	20:10
cityLights2	I then run udhcpc to get an IP - but it doesnt work	20:10
hrw	MohammadAG: they could also use faster nand chip for emmc	20:10
MohammadAG	buy*?	20:10
jrocha	dmj726_n900, cheers	20:10
DocScrutinizer	C-S-B: probably sw	20:10
cityLights2	oopus must go now, pls answer here	20:10
MohammadAG	cityLights2, ifconfig	20:10
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javispedro	GPS without assitance borked?	20:10
javispedro	it works	20:10
C-S-B	DocScrutinizer so once fixed, I actually can expect to get non assisted gs	20:10
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cityLights2	right - I need to issue ifconfig in the script before udhcpc	20:11
C-S-B	Would like to replace tomtom	20:11
cityLights2	ok	20:11
javispedro	C-S-B: you're not going to replace tomtom because of missing mapping software, but gps works.	20:11
cityLights2	brb (going to buy onion for soup)	20:11
hrw	C-S-B: forget it	20:11
MohammadAG	C-S-B, works for me	20:11
C-S-B	javispedro, sygic?	20:11
DocScrutinizer	C-S-B: you get GPS w/o assistance even now, given you had a fix (with A) last 2h, and/or you got 15min time for dl the data from sats	20:12
dmj726_n900	not thinking a straight ocrfeeder app since it has to be used by blind folks	20:12
dmj726_n900	ok...ping me when you are back jrocha	20:12
MohammadAG	why couldn't they put the sats nearer	20:12
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MohammadAG	like, 10 metres above the ground	20:12
MohammadAG	:P	20:12
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DocScrutinizer	C-S-B: also all this rant based on tests I did prior to last major fw update	20:12
javispedro	DocScrutinizer: make it 5 minutes on clear sky and I'll agree.	20:12
hrw	C-S-B: if you have tomtom for a car then stay with it	20:13
C-S-B	hrw, its a cradle/pda/gps combo	20:13
C-S-B	and I'll be damned if I can find the pda	20:13
hrw	C-S-B: you do not use tomtom pna?	20:13
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, seem to have gotten PR1.1.1.1	20:14
DocScrutinizer	LOL	20:14
DocScrutinizer	1111!!!111!!11	20:14
apoirier	C-S-B: working fine here, by using 'Location Test' before to launch OVI map	20:14
hrw	brb	20:14
C-S-B	location test?	20:15
Arif_	PR1.1.1.1.1.1?	20:15
Arif_	:O	20:15
Shapeshifter	can someone recommend an alternative image viewer for the n900?	20:15
Arif_	gimp? :P	20:15
MohammadAG	if you don't mind waiting 3 mins to see a pic	20:15
Shapeshifter	nah, more like gpicview	20:15
Shapeshifter	I see it's not packaged	20:15
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: will there be any noticable changes?	20:15
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, on the N900? yeah, keyboard looks crippled	20:16
DocScrutinizer	cooooool	20:16
C-S-B	mmm...so Ill assume the non-assisted gps issue isnt going to be fixed yet?	20:16
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, and it WILL brick on the next reboot	20:16
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DocScrutinizer	I bet	20:16
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MohammadAG	that should make you charge it	20:16
MohammadAG	as whenever it dings, Nokia takes a soul	20:17
Arif_	whats wrong with the built in picture viewer anyway	20:17
MohammadAG	and when it bricks, it'll be the apocalypse	20:17
apoirier	C-S-B: get the "location-test-gui" app	20:17
MohammadAG	someone hit me with a brick	20:17
Arif_	~brick MohammadAG	20:17
* infobot installs a bad bootloader on MohammadAG and turns MohammadAG into a brick		20:17
Arif_	...I was expecting something else...	20:18
MohammadAG	not that kind of brick	20:18
* Arif_ grabs part of his neighbour's house and smacks MohammadAG around with it		20:18
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MohammadAG	thanks, should make me wake up	20:18
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Arif_	nope, no mushrooms or flowers in there	20:18
Arif_	={	20:18
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ptl	what verbs does infobot have?	20:19
ptl	~reboot	20:19
infobot	Not on your life cowboy :(, or are you using Window$?	20:19
C-S-B	apoirier, just debug info is it?	20:19
ptl	~flash	20:19
infobot	well, flash is the same as ~flashing	20:19
ptl	~flashing	20:19
infobot	flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	20:19
Arif_	~meow	20:19
infobot	jbot: woem	20:19
Arif_	:D	20:19
DocScrutinizer	ptl: /query infobot, üplEEAAASE	20:19
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apoirier	C-S-B: this app searchs satellites as long as you don't stop it. So use it to get your location and only after that, launch OVI map	20:20
DocScrutinizer	ptl: btw it's called factoids, and there are some 100k of them	20:21
C-S-B	apoirier, offline?	20:21
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, still unpacking :(	20:22
MohammadAG	expected a 5 min install	20:22
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DocScrutinizer	ptl: ...and currently reference 116910 factoids. I'm using about 21732 kB of memory	20:22
MohammadAG	C'MON, brick already	20:23
apoirier	C-S-B: yes, working fine (I don't have any activated phone sim card at all)	20:23
pupnik	any gtk gurus working on gqview?	20:23
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MohammadAG	noticed something in the SDK	20:23
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MohammadAG	it no longer inverts colours	20:23
C-S-B	apoirier, so what is this doing that the phone should?	20:24
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apoirier	C-S-B: the problem is the OVI map app doesn't wait enough to get the satellites. There is a opened bug in the tracker.	20:25
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C-S-B	im not using ovi map, I'm using sygic now.	20:25
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apoirier	ok. I don't know about sygic	20:27
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, can you check sth for me?	20:28
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DocScrutinizer	ther's a simple workaround though: just start GPS by another app, like e.g. gpsjinni	20:28
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mortal__1	how do I search radio channels in n800?	20:28
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: not sure	20:28
DocScrutinizer	shoot	20:28
MohammadAG	Settings > tap title bar	20:28
MohammadAG	what does it say on the second button	20:28
MohammadAG	I'm sure it wasn't the same in PR1.1.1	20:29
DocScrutinizer	enter code for sim unlocking	20:29
MohammadAG	"Enter code to remove operator lock"	20:29
MohammadAG	ah so it was changed	20:29
MohammadAG	I notice the smallest things :P	20:29
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DocScrutinizer	well I translated it from german	20:29
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DocScrutinizer	your L18N may vary	20:29
MohammadAG	it was something along the lines I think	20:29
namus	how do i add new radio channels in N900	20:30
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DocScrutinizer	namus: "add station" ?	20:30
MohammadAG	~curse slow unpacking	20:32
infobot	May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, slow unpacking !	20:32
DocScrutinizer	namus: (in menu)	20:32
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namus	got it	20:32
namus	tahnks	20:32
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javispedro	ah, you gotta love the PR1.2 SDK tmo thread	20:33
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Jaffa	javispedro: day off from tmo. Bliss ;)	20:34
javispedro	but you miss all the fun!	20:35
Jaffa	Of course, that's because I'm a forum-hating surrender monkey	20:35
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javispedro	I specially love the post about "someone's meego trial version running out"	20:35
Jaffa	Oh good grief.	20:35
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javispedro	"root memory"	20:37
javispedro	sounds good.	20:37
javispedro	I am going to patent it	20:37
MohammadAG	:/ Does PR1.2 make better use of root memory?	20:37
MohammadAG	LOL	20:37
Jaffa	javispedro: I might drop out and let you deal with the lot of 'em.	20:37
MohammadAG	didn't look before pasting	20:37
Jaffa	Muwhahahahaha	20:37
Arif_	MohammadAG, you'll have 4GB root!	20:37
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MohammadAG	I'd rather have 4 spears in me atm	20:38
MohammadAG	:p	20:38
Arif_	that can be arranged	20:38
MohammadAG	Arif_, oh please, nothing from you	20:38
Arif_	aww	20:38
javispedro	Jaffa: ah, as you can see, I'm from the "requiring-another-registration-also-servers-as-noise-filter"camp :D	20:38
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MohammadAG	javispedro, I showed some changes, and posted that if I could find any more I'll post them, now they're asking for stuff that's was confirmed (as not coming) and stuff that needs PR1.2 on the N900!	20:39
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, PR1.1.1.5	20:39
javispedro	MohammadAG: YOU SHOWED THEM CHANGES!!	20:39
javispedro	now they're going to ask you for more until they dry the last drop of blood from you	20:39
Jaffa	And expect you to code them.	20:40
* MohammadAG is turning pale		20:40
Arif_	MohammadAG, does PR1.2 run andoird apps?	20:40
Arif_	:D	20:40
javispedro	iphone apps?	20:40
VDVsx	lol	20:40
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* MohammadAG makes a script that has rm -rf /<insert wildcard> and publishes it		20:40
Jaffa	javispedro: Evil! You're trying to keep the prolateriate unde the thumb of The Man.	20:40
VDVsx	Win 7 FTW	20:40
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MohammadAG	javispedro, yeah, you can fart all you want	20:40
MohammadAG	got mIRC working	20:41
Jaffa	Ooooh, PR1.2 can run Windows 7 apps?	20:41
javispedro	/fart?	20:41
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Arif_	VDVsx, Windows 7 port for N900 in PR1.2!	20:41
javispedro	Windows 7 to run Maemo 5 apps!	20:41
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, SETTING UP!!!	20:41
Jaffa	Actually, because MeeGo will run on x86, does that mean I'll be able to run Windows 7 apps on my N900 when it gets the developer build of MeeGo later this month?	20:42
MohammadAG	LOL	20:42
Jaffa	I should so kick off that rumour.	20:42
javispedro	yes.	20:42
Arif_	rofl	20:42
Arif_	will N900 run Crysis?	20:42
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MohammadAG	Jaffa, 574 users online, take out the bots, one of them will post it somewhere	20:42
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* javispedro is always impressed at the "more recent sw X version => more speed" common belief		20:42
MohammadAG	Arif_, no, but it WILL blend!	20:42
Arif_	\o/	20:43
* MohammadAG points to the oldversion.com slogan		20:43
Arif_	javispedro, everyone knows how fast Vista is compared to XP!	20:43
Jaffa	MohammadAG: Oooh, twitter'd be good for that.	20:43
Arif_	should I tweet it?	20:43
Arif_	:D	20:43
MohammadAG	LOL	20:44
Jaffa	Arif_: Yeah, and I'll RT ;)	20:44
GAN900	Jaffa, nuhuh, you are NOT dropping out.	20:44
Arif_	or open a facebook group	20:44
MohammadAG	Jaffa, you on twitter?	20:44
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MohammadAG	Arif_, oh god	20:44
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Jaffa	GAN900: Yuhuh. You watch me dude :p	20:44
MohammadAG	onfiguration file `/etc/mce/mce.ini'	20:44
MohammadAG	==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation.	20:44
MohammadAG	==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version.	20:44
* javispedro makes DrNokWin7		20:44
MohammadAG	SO IT WILL SHOOT LASERS!!!	20:44
Jaffa	MohammadAG: http://twitter.com/jaffa2	20:44
GAN900	Jaffa, my threat to Texrat can be redirected your direction. :P	20:45
Jaffa	GAN900: Or maybe I won't then	20:45
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MohammadAG	Jaffa, followed :)	20:45
Jaffa	MohammadAG: ta :)	20:45
MohammadAG	Setting up location-daemon (0.98-1+0m5) ...	20:45
Arif_	javispedro, it must have zeemote support!	20:45
MohammadAG	wonder why that was updated	20:45
javispedro	MohammadAG: Changelog: "bumped version number" ;)	20:46
javispedro	(joking)	20:46
MohammadAG	how do i overclock the N900 to 5.00GHz?	20:46
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MohammadAG	:p	20:46
Arif_	set CPUCl0kz0r=600 to 5000 :P	20:46
Jaffa	More serious question: anyone have any ideas for getting random student laptops up & running for Maemo dev for a hack day? VM is most obvious, installed on a bunch of USB sticks	20:46
MohammadAG	I already have some -273C cooling substances	20:46
MohammadAG	shame physics doesn't allow more	20:46
Jaffa	Damn physics.	20:47
Arif_	Jaffa, a loonix live cd with the rest on USB?	20:47
MohammadAG	Arif_, now that's what I call 1337 4ax0ring	20:47
MohammadAG	Arif_, you do realize the SDK is large	20:47
Arif_	indeed!	20:47
Arif_	USB sticks are 16GB	20:47
Arif_	I'm not expecting it to be that large.....	20:48
javispedro	The whole Fremantle SDK is around 3 - 4 GiB iirc	20:48
javispedro	(debug symbols and the lot)	20:48
MohammadAG	and how do you propose he installs the casper-rw file?	20:48
Arif_	no idea	20:48
Arif_	whats that? :P	20:48
DocScrutinizer	Casper Red White ?? o.O	20:48
SpeedEvil	http://terreptik.soup.io/post/44492295/Bild :)	20:48
javispedro	winner of the day.	20:49
* Jaffa 'll have to investigate this evening and post for UK-based Maemo peeps to be involved if they want.		20:49
Arif_	if it was Wind00z you could just make a ghost image	20:49
andrewfblack_	Why does N900 require a net connetion to access 127.0.0.01?	20:49
ShadowJK	the browser does	20:49
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Arif_	because its retarded? :D	20:49
javispedro	there's a tmo bug about that	20:49
andrewfblack_	ShadowJK: thats what I'm asking why does browser require it	20:50
MohammadAG	486,380 items, totalling 4.9 GB	20:50
javispedro	iirc the browser-ui was patched not to require connection for localhost or file:// urls	20:50
javispedro	but maybe not 127.0.0.1	20:50
ShadowJK	firefox sometimes does that too on linux distros with NotworkManager :)	20:50
Arif_	MohammadAG, 8GB sticks are like 5 euro :D	20:50
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MohammadAG	Arif_, it's not the stick that's important, it's the filesystem it uses!	20:51
Jaffa	MohammadAG: Ta	20:51
andrewfblack_	file:// seems to work file just not localhost	20:51
MohammadAG	if he uses the normal live CD installs to USB, it won't work on a FAT32 stick	20:51
Jaffa	Arif_: Yeah, but someone'll have to pay for 'em :p	20:51
Arif_	you could use microSDs too	20:51
Arif_	most people should have a 8+GB one :D	20:51
Jaffa	MohammadAG: Reformat the stick for booting	20:51
MohammadAG	Facepalm	20:51
MohammadAG	Jaffa, ext3 should work	20:52
MohammadAG	but I doubt the automated installs allow that	20:53
Arif_	MohammadAG, your 1.2 thread killed the site	20:53
Jaffa	MohammadAG: Hmm, will have a look	20:53
MohammadAG	Arif_, happy to help	20:53
MohammadAG	the site really needed killing	20:53
Arif_	:D	20:53
MohammadAG	someone should...	20:53
MohammadAG	~nuke TMO database	20:53
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at TMO database ... B☢☢M!		20:53
ShadowJK	fedora has a tool to convert livecd into usb boot key, with an overlay of choosable size for r/w ext3 storage.. on fat32	20:54
ShadowJK	aufs or similar	20:54
MohammadAG	same as ubuntu	20:54
MohammadAG	which is why I said "automated" :)	20:54
MohammadAG	I wanted to do it on my 8GB stick	20:55
* javispedro opens 100 "disappointment with N900" threads		20:55
* Arif_ replies to all of them with agreement		20:55
SpeedEvil	I am dissapointed - my n900 cannot fly itself to me when I lose it.	20:56
* Arif_ adds "LOL BUY EYEPHONE THEN" to all posts		20:56
javispedro	thread #59: The N900 sucks because Nokia didn't give me a free girlfriend with it. Arif_: LOL BUY EYEPHONE THEN.	20:56
SpeedEvil	Damn, that would be cool.	20:56
SpeedEvil	http://www.rotarywoofer.com/	20:56
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SpeedEvil	Four tiny models of that.	20:57
SpeedEvil	In the corners.	20:57
Arif_	javispedro, iPhone has a girlfriend app	20:57
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, guess what didn't get upgraded	20:57
ShadowJK	Arif_, is that a straight copy of some creepy app originating from jp?	20:57
Arif_	you need to invest $1000 in it every month	20:57
Arif_	or it'll start screeching non stop	20:57
DocScrutinizer	you tell me	20:57
MohammadAG	the binaries x.x	20:57
RST38h	javispedro moo	20:57
MohammadAG	http://pastebin.com/Jq8bnrvg	20:58
DocScrutinizer	yo	20:58
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javispedro	afternoon RST38h	20:58
Arif_	ShadowJK, probably	20:58
lcuk	the way to stop hearing your girlfriend app is to simply return to iphone to the kitchen and retire to the den	20:58
Shapeshifter	oh for crying out loud, what is this >.> no google talk for linux	20:58
Shapeshifter	are we living in the middle ages, google?	20:58
MohammadAG	autoremoving MUHAHAHAHA	20:59
ShadowJK	btw, N900 doesn't need anti-molester apps. Just put your N900 in your panties, when the molester starts he'll think you're a dragqueen and go molest someone else	20:59
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: all the closed source pkgs	20:59
RST38h	OMG THEY FIXED THE KEYBOARD	20:59
Arif_	OMG THEY DID?	20:59
Arif_	the guestures are back?	20:59
derf	As in, they neutered it?	20:59
MohammadAG	No	20:59
MohammadAG	lol	20:59
thresh	щьпб 1ю2 шы щге,	20:59
Arif_	:\|	20:59
javispedro	it is now completely exact to the iphone one?	20:59
thresh	oh well	20:59
Arif_	he said fixed	21:00
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, they can be restored right?	21:00
Arif_	not fucked up	21:00
MohammadAG	Arif_, he used Nokia's term for f***ed up	21:00
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: no idea	21:00
MohammadAG	bummer	21:00
MohammadAG	oh well	21:00
Arif_	nokia's term for fucked up is target manhattan	21:00
Arif_	:P	21:00
MohammadAG	nah, they use the word FIXED	21:01
MohammadAG	or IMPROVED	21:01
javispedro	makes you wonder why tmoers still wait for the update if the only they know for sure that comes with it (because they saw a photo of it!) sucked!	21:01
Arif_	I usually see WONTFIX	21:01
hrw	so do I	21:01
Arif_	coincidence? :P	21:01
MohammadAG	yeah, both of you have eyes	21:02
MohammadAG	Site's slow as ****	21:02
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: my guess is they won't play nicely with 1.2	21:02
MohammadAG	I guess I did kill it	21:02
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MohammadAG	lol http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ytorvCxRjxo/STmcSqHSCFI/AAAAAAAAAKU/V7XrK5U3yk0/n900.png	21:03
Arif_	stop spreading rumors!	21:03
* DocScrutinizer puts the 10 bucks back into the wallet		21:03
javispedro	omg the pr 1.3 update in app mgr!	21:03
Arif_	z0mg	21:04
Arif_	does it have silverlight?	21:04
javispedro	it says it comes with free n930	21:04
Arif_	it says it needs 500MB rootfs!	21:04
javispedro	they also fix the small rootfs issue	21:04
MohammadAG	Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have	21:04
MohammadAG	requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable	21:04
MohammadAG	distribution that some required packages have not yet been created	21:04
MohammadAG	or been moved out of Incoming.	21:04
MohammadAG	I knew it	21:04
javispedro	... by silently replacing the kernel with FreeDOS. Qt works on everything!	21:04
MohammadAG	LOL	21:05
Arif_	New Qt 4.9 works on DOS!	21:05
Arif_	with 16 color sweetness	21:05
Arif_	it needs a PC speaker emulator though :(	21:05
lcuk	dont worry, bill gates will personally call you up everytime it needs to make a sound. i just got off the phone to him myself	21:06
VDVsx	lololol	21:06
lcuk	he said "beep"	21:06
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Arif_	heh	21:06
Arif_	bill gates narrating commander keen \o/	21:06
javispedro	hehe	21:06
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VDVsx	Arif_, ask at #Qt if it runs on DOS :D :D ihihih	21:07
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, REFLASH :p	21:07
Arif_	/server -m.....	21:07
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* javispedro ponders if he really chose a good day to promote drnoksnes to -testing		21:07
Arif_	I need a new vhost though :P	21:07
lcuk	shouldnt we have dos widgets by now	21:07
Arif_	javispedro, so YOU killed the site	21:08
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: fix partitioning en passant, while you're about to flash anyway ;-P	21:08
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lcuk	or other random *OS widgets (based on amiga OS - since thats the one true one lol)	21:08
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Arif_	I want a pong widget	21:08
Arif_	=}	21:08
javispedro	the site munged MY package thus I exacted revenge on the site!	21:08
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, I think this is the 4th time this week	21:08
floffe	does talk work for anyone else?	21:08
MohammadAG	and by week I mean from the start of the week	21:08
hrw	dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/microb-engine-common_20091230-1.9.2-6.8+0m5_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/microb-engine/chrome/en-US/locale/en-US/pippki/validation.dtd', which is also in package microb-engine-common-ext	21:08
hrw	someone forgot to test pacakges...	21:08
javispedro	or maybe they moved files around	21:09
lcuk	can people test/validate/file any sdk bugs please :)	21:09
* VDVsx wants Qt on the spectrum		21:09
hrw	lcuk: I can do that but after PR 1.2 will be released for people	21:09
Arif_	Qt just got ported to the Comodore 64 I heard	21:09
Arif_	but only the SDK is available :(	21:10
lcuk	sure hrw, but MohammadAG and yourself seem to be investigating things already	21:10
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hrw	lcuk: sure, but if I start reporting bugs then PR1.2 will really be released in november	21:10
lcuk	heh, then make notes	21:11
hrw	better let nokia release 1.2 in bad state and work fast on 1.2.1 which will fix errors	21:11
\|R	hehe fix that damn SIP ;)	21:11
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hrw	I had 32MB free on / and it was not enough for upgrade	21:11
VDVsx	OMG talk is down :D	21:11
Arif_	hrw, Nokia and fixing things?	21:11
* lcuk runs around screaming		21:11
* Arif_ blinks		21:12
* \|R sacrifices a goat		21:12
Arif_	mmm, goat	21:12
lcuk	shurrup Arif_ ~600 public bugs confirmed, triaged identified and fixed	21:12
* Arif_ makes döner from it		21:12
Jaffa	VDVsx: See, we got our wish! Now everyone will have to use mailing lists and IRC. Or we'll shoot them.	21:12
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VDVsx	Jaffa, eheheh, and make multiple accounts :D	21:13
lcuk	where is my irc to tmo thread conversion thingy?	21:13
lcuk	i want to post here in irc and have it direct on tmo (with replies :P)	21:13
Arif_	the forums are back!	21:13
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VDVsx	lcuk, +1	21:14
MohammadAG	<hrw> lcuk: sure, but if I start reporting bugs then PR1.2 will really be released in november	21:14
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MohammadAG	2012	21:14
MohammadAG	be more specific	21:14
hrw	MohammadAG: ;d	21:14
javispedro	lcuk: IRC to webforum bridge means the end of the internet as we know it!	21:15
Arif_	I still havent found a changelog for v35 of N95 8GB	21:15
Arif_	:D	21:15
Jaffa	lcuk: you're just trying to exclude people with the artificial barriers like "email client" and "IRC thingybob"	21:15
lcuk	omg, you know what	21:15
lcuk	we are missing the most important bridge of all	21:15
lcuk	the community members using myspace!	21:16
Arif_	myspace?:P	21:16
javispedro	the solution here is clearly ship a "just point me to the nearest textbox where I can write about my very important opinion" icon in n900 app launcher.	21:16
Arif_	javispedro, twitter?	21:16
MohammadAG	<Arif_> I still havent found a changelog for v35 of N95 8GB	21:16
lcuk	desktop widget?	21:16
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MohammadAG	it's in the logs omsehwere	21:16
MohammadAG	somewhere*	21:16
lcuk	javispedro,	21:17
javispedro	actually /dev/null, but that's an implementation detail the user shouldn't know.	21:17
DocScrutinizer	Jaffa: (wish) good thing :-D	21:17
MohammadAG	Arif_, found it! <javispedro> MohammadAG: Changelog: "bumped version number" ;)	21:17
Robot101	javispedro: isn't that called brainstorm? :P	21:17
Arif_	:D	21:17
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Arif_	sounds about right	21:17
lcuk	every line should be simulaposted across irc, twitter, facebook, tmo, google news and myspace	21:17
lcuk	like lawnmower man	21:17
Arif_	lcuk, dont forget everyone in your MSN contact list	21:17
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* lcuk doesnt use msn anymore		21:18
javispedro	Robot101: touché :)	21:18
Shapeshifter	MohammadAG: did it work?	21:18
MohammadAG	Shapeshifter, the brickification? yeah	21:19
* MohammadAG made a new word		21:19
Robot101	javispedro: I actually quite respect the Pidgin upstream, someone set up a brainstorm and they were quick to have it marked as unofficial, unsupported, and not a way to actually get the developers to pay any attention to you	21:19
Robot101	its all about expectation management :)	21:19
Robot101	turns out if you make april fools blogs about features that some people want, they get really worked up with you too	21:20
javispedro	amateurs	21:20
javispedro	the should've let the brainstorm stand but ignore every entry either way :)	21:20
hrw	brainstorm... terrible idea with even worse implementation	21:20
Robot101	http://resiak.livejournal.com/60614.html	21:21
Robot101	:P	21:21
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, seen this https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/moebian-devel/2010-March/000012.html ?	21:21
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lcuk	why is there no brainstorming improvements brainstorm>	21:21
MiXu-	Hmm. Sygic doesn't seem bad at first glance. Gotta try tomorrow while driving.	21:21
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hrw	MiXu-: too bad that there is no demo ver ;(	21:22
ShadowJK	oh my download just completed :)	21:22
* Arif_ sneds hrw sygicmobileinstaller.deb		21:22
MohammadAG	Arif_, me me me	21:23
MohammadAG	:P	21:23
MohammadAG	it's useless for me anyways :P	21:23
MohammadAG	brb	21:23
Arif_	you could look at maps for different regions! :P	21:23
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hrw	Robot101: awesome feature!	21:23
marcus_	Just came in, so hrw: What feature? .d	21:24
marcus_	:D	21:24
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hrw	20:19 < Robot101> http://resiak.livejournal.com/60614.html	21:24
MiXu-	hrw: yeah	21:24
Robot101	hrw: the comments are the depressing bit	21:24
VDVsx	is the kitten head customizable ? :D	21:25
javispedro	it is!	21:25
MarcusM	How :O	21:25
javispedro	you can choose between your average ugly green box	21:25
Robot101	hrw: like, it's a joke, obviously, posted on april 1st, and there are people saying the telepathy developers should die in a fire because we don't take security seriously!!! etc	21:25
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javispedro	clearly, your security has not enough head kittens.	21:26
hrw	Robot101: users...	21:26
VDVsx	but, but that feature is pretty cool :)	21:26
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hrw	Robot101: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2008/04/01/moving-to-london/ and then read post linked at the end of it	21:27
SpeedEvil	VDVsx: /me keeps meaning to make bonsaikittens for ebay. A kitten toy - with a couple of servos to twitch it a bit	21:27
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crashanddie	SpeedEvil: if you manipulate the motors in the right way, you won't even need a speaker to make it meow.	21:28
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javispedro	hm april fools.	21:28
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javispedro	jokes are outdated these days. outright plan evilness is the cool thing now!	21:29
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hrw	gconftool-2: I've been haxored to use xml::/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults as the config source.	21:29
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javispedro	for example they could delete the bugtracker link from each and every extras package forcing every developer to reupload it	21:29
hrw	;D	21:29
javispedro	i'm sure it would be seen as funny	21:30
hrw	javispedro: maemo extras needs someone who will do NMU instead of inventing new and new qa steps	21:30
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javispedro	ah, nmus on extras	21:31
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hrw	what is a sense on having to reupload pacakges jsut because 'cli icon is required since 5 minutes ago'	21:31
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hrw	argh	21:31
javispedro	well, everyone can do an nmu in extras	21:32
javispedro	:)	21:32
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javispedro	finding someone to do it for you, on the other side ;()	21:32
bennypr0fane	Hi, I'm trying to install this: http://iskuri.org/niklas/blogi/2010/shake-to-wake/	21:32
bennypr0fane	Python script	21:32
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bennypr0fane	but i don't know how to put something in this directory: /home/user/shake/shake.py	21:33
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bennypr0fane	can anyone help me out?	21:33
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bennypr0fane	also, i saved the script from the browser, so now it's named .html	21:35
bennypr0fane	if i just rename it to.py, will that work?	21:35
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lcuk	bennypr0fane, that script is a proof of concept thing	21:35
lcuk	and requires a package around it	21:35
lcuk	to be useful	21:35
bennypr0fane	hm	21:35
MarcusM	Does the n900 have built-in mms yet? (In an update or such)	21:35
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hrw	0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.	21:36
lcuk	post a comment on the guys blog asking him to add it so you can install directly from app manager	21:36
bennypr0fane	MarcusM no	21:36
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hrw	time to reboot	21:36
MarcusM	beenypr0fane: Ever thinking it will come?	21:36
javispedro	sssssssssrch ffmms	21:36
javispedro	oops	21:36
javispedro	search for fmms	21:36
MarcusM	javispedro: Read about that, but was wondering if they've updated it since then.	21:36
javispedro	it will most probably not ever get mms..	21:36
lcuk	MarcusM, frals has been busy working away and others too :)	21:37
MarcusM	lcuk: Good to know :P	21:37
hrw	MarcusM: mms support is probably one of those things which will happen in 2013y device	21:37
frals	pling wat?	21:37
lcuk	speak of the devil!	21:37
MarcusM	hrw: Oh gawd. Kind of weird they didnt make it for the n900.	21:37
frals	yes, fMMS is awesome etc	21:37
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lcuk	i fr[tab]'ed you and didnt get a result lol	21:37
frals	(that was the topic, right? ;D)	21:38
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frals	hehe	21:38
lcuk	yes frals we were discussing your ascention	21:38
MohammadAG_	back, with crippled firmware	21:38
MohammadAG_	any idea how to reinstall mp-fremntle-generic-pr?	21:38
Shapeshifter	humm.	21:38
hrw	MohammadAG_: apt-get install	21:38
Shapeshifter	my n900 just rebooted.	21:38
Shapeshifter	aww my uptime xD	21:39
javispedro	no, the topic is whether frals need to be tied to a chair with a desktop computer and forced to work 25h a day to please mms users	21:39
MohammadAG_	hrw broken packages	21:39
hrw	MohammadAG_: so check why	21:39
frals	javispedro: :( :D	21:39
hrw	ok, my n900 goes to pin input dialog and reboots	21:39
MohammadAG_	hrw, any way to force the install?	21:39
* Arif_ yawns		21:39
bennypr0fane	Icuk can i install that script as it is now? if not, where would i find the required package?	21:39
Shapeshifter	where was that file that tells you the reason for reboot?	21:40
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MohammadAG_	/proc/bootreason	21:40
Shapeshifter	MohammadAG_: thanks	21:40
Shapeshifter	sw_rst. mh	21:41
MarcusM	Not that I want to bring it up again, but on http://www.meegosweden.com/ it says that MeeGo _will_ come to N900? Could that be correct.	21:41
MohammadAG_	Shapeshifter, happens when i overload the cpu	21:41
MarcusM	Aha! http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=554980&postcount=196	21:41
ShadowJK	MarcusM, sort of	21:41
floffe	MarcusM: a developer version, yes	21:41
MohammadAG_	with things like audacity	21:41
MarcusM	Okay, thanks.	21:41
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Shapeshifter	MohammadAG_: mh. so the official google talk video thing, which is kinda hidden and apparently only works when you get called, is officially rubbish :)	21:42
MohammadAG_	hidden?	21:42
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MohammadAG_	you can call someone	21:42
MohammadAG_	i'm just curious if it turns on the red light while recording	21:43
MohammadAG_	as there's a pattern for that	21:43
Shapeshifter	MohammadAG_: it doesn't	21:43
MohammadAG_	what's the pattern for then?	21:43
MohammadAG_	PatternWebcamActive i think	21:43
Shapeshifter	and I mean... the interface is just completely different when you _get called_ instead of _calling_	21:43
Shapeshifter	and it caused a reboot.	21:44
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Shapeshifter	It almost appeared as if they forgot to remove it from the official version.	21:44
MohammadAG_	Shapeshifter, how are you checking this	21:44
Shapeshifter	MohammadAG_: what do you mean checking?	21:44
MohammadAG_	video calls?	21:44
Shapeshifter	I'm calling my n900 from my laptop using two different google-talk accounts	21:44
Shapeshifter	and the other way around	21:45
MohammadAG_	what fw?	21:45
Shapeshifter	when the n900 gets called, the interface is different, and there's a webcam button. though when I press it, the call disconnects on both sides and after I tried this three times, the n900 rebooted.	21:45
Shapeshifter	MohammadAG_: uhm, latest, the normal one	21:45
MohammadAG_	that doesn't have video calls	21:46
MohammadAG_	officially	21:46
Shapeshifter	MohammadAG_: is it there because of "extra protocols plugin"?	21:46
MohammadAG_	no	21:46
MohammadAG_	by default u can't call someone	21:47
Shapeshifter	no? why can I?	21:47
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MohammadAG_	idk	21:48
MohammadAG_	no video call option here	21:48
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javispedro	aw	21:48
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javispedro	so control panel applets can't be user/ packages?	21:48
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Shapeshifter	MohammadAG: well yeah. but if you call it from pidgin or so, you'll have a webcam button	21:48
MohammadAG	didn't know that	21:48
Shapeshifter	MohammadAG: doesn't work if you call _from_ the n900, but to	21:48
MohammadAG	what I learned today: never update to SDK packages	21:49
MohammadAG	it eats babies	21:49
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Shapeshifter	you kinda saw it comming though.	21:49
MohammadAG	yeah, should've had a bet with DocScrutinizer	21:50
MohammadAG	if it didn't work, he'd pay me	21:50
MohammadAG	:P	21:50
Shapeshifter	MohammadAG: now you owe him 10 internets?	21:50
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: huh? I placed my bet on fail	21:51
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, I should've placed it on fail	21:51
MohammadAG	:p	21:51
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* MohammadAG likes the green reflashing bar on the N900 screen		21:51
MohammadAG	reflashing again, just to see it fill up	21:51
Arif_	you should record it!	21:52
MohammadAG	yeah, and youtube it!	21:52
Arif_	so I can watch it!	21:52
MohammadAG	Arif_, how old are you again? you have the thoughts of a 10 year old :P	21:52
Arif_	12 :D	21:52
Arif_	nah	21:52
MohammadAG	1?	21:52
Arif_	6?	21:53
Shapeshifter	so, this rebooting the device when "overloading the cpu" is actually "wanted" behavior? why not just kill the offending process.	21:53
MohammadAG	unborn	21:53
crashanddie	MohammadAG & Arif_ take it outside	21:53
MohammadAG	Shapeshifter, could be the watchdog	21:53
MohammadAG	crashanddie, apologies	21:53
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valdyn	Shapeshifter: "overloading the cpu" certainly does not cause reboots	21:53
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bennypr0fane	Still, can anyone brief me on how to put a file into a directory that is not accessible via the file manager? (/home) anyone?	21:53
Shapeshifter	valdyn: that's what he said.	21:53
MohammadAG	valdyn, it does here	21:53
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MohammadAG	again, it happens with apps like audacity	21:54
Arif_	bennypr0fanem use XTerm and type mv file_location new_location?	21:54
valdyn	my while true;do true;done isnt causing a reboot	21:54
MohammadAG	bennypr0fane, if you don't like XTerm use gpe-filemanager	21:55
valdyn	i think its running out of ram that might cause this	21:55
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DocScrutinizer	Shapeshifter: said who?	21:55
valdyn	so like swapoff -a causes a reboot	21:55
Shapeshifter	DocScrutinizer: MohammadAG	21:56
bennypr0fane	MohammadAG it's not about liking, it's just that i don't know the commands.....	21:56
valdyn	~bash	21:56
infobot	sh-compatible command language interpreter. URL: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/, or ugly, or another word for a 'do'	21:56
valdyn	bennypr0fane: ^^	21:56
MohammadAG	mv /path/to/file new_location	21:56
bennypr0fane	is gpe GUI-based?	21:56
DocScrutinizer	bennypr0fane: mc	21:56
MohammadAG	so take foo for example	21:56
MohammadAG	bennypr0fane, yes	21:56
DocScrutinizer	bennypr0fane: even comes with icon	21:57
MohammadAG	mv /home/user/MyDocs/foo /home	21:57
bennypr0fane	cool	21:57
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MohammadAG	that should move foo, into /home	21:57
bennypr0fane	aha	21:57
bennypr0fane	i see	21:57
MohammadAG	bennypr0fane, just start it with root privs when you want to move system files	21:57
MohammadAG	(to start with root privs open terminal, type root, then gpe-filemanager)	21:57
bennypr0fane	i get it	21:57
MohammadAG	should start up the UI	21:57
bennypr0fane	mv is move	21:58
crashanddie	~do	21:58
* infobot doesn't do $1, or an event like a party		21:58
Shapeshifter	^^	21:58
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crashanddie	~party	21:58
infobot	Woohoo! Bot on the loose!	21:58
bennypr0fane	so is gpe preinstalled?	21:58
crashanddie	~loose	21:58
infobot	methinks loose is the most annoying spelling error. It's LOSE you moron. Unless of course you're using loose in a Madonna sorta way.	21:58
DocScrutinizer	or just type mc	21:58
GAN900	I can't fathom why people want portrait in the browser	21:58
crashanddie	~mc	21:58
infobot	extra, extra, read all about it, mc is Midnight Commander, a file browser for GNU. Monaco	21:58
GAN900	It's uselesss.	21:58
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crashanddie	GAN900: you're useless, still the world had you anyway	21:58
GAN900	Things are too wide 90% of the time.	21:58
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javispedro	GAN900: we need the Apple's patented force-portrait mode switch!	21:59
javispedro	Nokia please license it for us!	21:59
crashanddie	GAN900: you're too wide 90% of the time	21:59
GAN900	crashanddie, hey, at least I can avoid getting beaten up b	21:59
GAN900	by a bunch of street toughs. :P	21:59
valdyn	GAN900: plenty sites have text in a column that is not really wide enough for landscape mode	21:59
GAN900	valdyn, not really	21:59
javispedro	s/force-portrait/force-landscape	21:59
crashanddie	GAN900: i'm sorry, you little wanker, they were not street toughs, they were a bunch of kids	21:59
Arif_	GAN900, yeah....they should've put portrait in media player & conversations first.....	21:59
crashanddie	GAN900: :D	21:59
GAN900	crashanddie, worse!	21:59
valdyn	GAN900: www.sueddeutsche.de	21:59
valdyn	GAN900: slashdot.org	22:00
valdyn	GAN900: endless list	22:00
GAN900	valdyn, slashdot fits fine	22:00
javispedro	valdyn: that's what Ctrl+Shift+I is for	22:00
GAN900	valdyn, the overall content does not count as a "text column"	22:00
javispedro	to send a signal that tells the designer of the site to die	22:00
valdyn	javispedro: lets see, i didnt know that one	22:00
GAN900	and portrait aint any wider	22:00
valdyn	javispedro: hehe	22:00
crashanddie	javispedro: that exists, it's called a paycheck	22:00
GAN900	So I don't see your point.	22:00
valdyn	javispedro: unfortunately slashdot at least no fixed layout, but thats the exception	22:01
GAN900	Arif_, equally useless.	22:01
GAN900	Arif_, you can't type in portrait.	22:01
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crashanddie	sure you can	22:01
Arif_	T9	22:01
Arif_	:P	22:01
crashanddie	if you have a twin brother	22:01
GAN900	Haha	22:01
GAN900	Fucking fail	22:01
valdyn	GAN900: maybe you just like or need huge fonts, i dont	22:01
crashanddie	GAN900: stop bitching, go PM	22:01
Arif_	its really annoying to use both hands just to change a song....	22:01
GAN900	valdyn, um?	22:02
crashanddie	Arif_: that's because you're not skilled enough with one hand...	22:02
GAN900	valdyn, I think you're completely missing my poit.	22:02
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Arif_	I don't want to jump around in the metro/bus :P	22:02
valdyn	GAN900: your point was that you "cannot fathom why people want portrait mode"	22:03
GAN900	valdyn, not sure what wide websites or large fonts has to do with that.	22:03
valdyn	GAN900: I cant that any more obvious	22:04
valdyn	GAN900: I cant make that any more obvious	22:05
GAN900	valdyn, OK then.	22:05
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hrw	restoring backup ;(	22:12
bennypr0fane	I can't find gpe filemanager. Is this in extras testing or devel (cause i disabled these...)?	22:12
lcuk	bennypr0fane, you could of course find out which its in by simple process of elimination	22:12
Arif_	oo, drnoksnes is updated....again!	22:13
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DocScrutinizer	bennypr0fane: try mc	22:20
bennypr0fane	what's mc?	22:20
andrewfblack_	konttori: anyway to remove Swipe to unlock text from lockscreen?	22:20
DocScrutinizer	~mc	22:20
infobot	from memory, mc is Midnight Commander, a file browser for GNU. Monaco	22:20
konttori	andrewfblack_: hmm... perhaps by nulling the localization text	22:21
konttori	but, for any sane solution, I think not	22:21
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* konttori is on daddy month, so cannot ask from devs		22:21
d14_	bennypr0fane: http://my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?name=Midnight_Commander&faq=42&fldAuto=949	22:22
andrewfblack_	konttori: Daddy month?	22:22
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konttori	yeah, one moth with my little emilia while my wife goes to work	22:22
andrewfblack_	Swipe to unlock looks strange on my theme now that you don't have to swipe just click	22:22
andrewfblack_	konttori: you guys take turns working months?	22:22
konttori	no, it's customary. I get 75% of pay from goverment for that month	22:23
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noobmonk3y	MohammadAG - great job on the post :D	22:23
konttori	so, it's really worth taking.	22:23
andrewfblack_	konttori: nice	22:23
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* andrewfblack_ is falling back into Gimmick Themes and needs to get to work on some real good ones again		22:26
konttori	well, had emilia been born month or two later, I would have been able to enjoy month and a half, but... anyway, it's great to be able to take mind off from mundane things for a while and spend some time with the kid.	22:26
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konttori	Also, it's nice to be just a user of n900 for a change.	22:26
DocScrutinizer	wow, just noticed lockscreen bug is fixed. No longer stays alive when touching it frequently	22:26
andrewfblack_	konttori: yeah must be nice. over here I get to take 12 weeks off when my kid is born but unless I have vacation I don' get paid	22:26
konttori	we wrapped up pr1.2 before I left, so my mind is free from burden of it	22:26
* andrewfblack_ makes note not to bug konttori for the next month		22:27
konttori	andrewfblack_: yeah, I also had a month when emilia was born, this is just a little bit extra.	22:27
konttori	lol, bug me all you want, but I certainly won't be able to help much.	22:27
andrewfblack_	konttori: when my wife has our first child I wont get but 1 week off with pay because I'm saving up vaction to give to her so she can stay out longer. We work together and our company allows use to donate Vaction to other people	22:28
crashanddie	vaction eh?	22:29
konttori	lol!	22:29
konttori	(lol was about the term vacation)	22:29
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crashanddie	your company might allow it, but legally in most countries that practise is illegal	22:29
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konttori	anyway, that makes sense andrewfblack_ .	22:29
timeless_mbp	konttori: you finished 1.2? congrats	22:29
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crashanddie	i guess the best place to have kids is sweden still	22:31
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crashanddie	sweden gives you 16 months maternal leave AND 16 months paternal leave	22:33
toggles_w	hrw -> on !	22:33
crashanddie	out of which 3 months can be combined	22:33
crashanddie	that's paid leave, too	22:33
toggles_w	oh.. doesn't work like wonder twin powers...	22:34
crashanddie	wonder twin powers when someone toggles hrw on?	22:34
toggles_w	though he might come back?	22:34
pupnik	crashanddie: you know they dont "givea" anything	22:34
crashanddie	givea?	22:35
crashanddie	jive-e?	22:35
pupnik	that is all taken out of your salary, taxes and employment opportunities	22:35
pupnik	give	22:35
crashanddie	well, yeah	22:35
crashanddie	but still	22:35
crashanddie	i mean, who cares, 16 frikking months leave dude	22:35
crashanddie	that's like uni all over again	22:35
crashanddie	paid to do nothing, and then some	22:35
pupnik	it is merely a lack of choice	22:36
* petteri lols at pupnik		22:36
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crashanddie	just admit it, sweden is the best place to have kids	22:38
andrei1089	hi, X-Fade	22:38
crashanddie	move there, spit some kids out, leave	22:38
crashanddie	how hard can it be?	22:38
lcuk	for you as a male, i think quite difficult	22:38
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Arif_	He'd need some help..	22:39
crashanddie	well, I've got enough children bodyparts in my luggage that I can fix one up	22:39
asj_	Arif_: don't we all?	22:39
crashanddie	plus, I can always dig some up from my time in Belgium	22:39
Arif_	XD	22:40
crashanddie	brb, police at the door for some reason	22:40
GAN900	Woot	22:40
d14_	:))	22:40
crashanddie	I really need to stop with my inappropriate talking	22:40
crashanddie	when I was at the hospital for my eye, this guy walks in with a massive eyepatch	22:41
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crashanddie	he sits next to me, and I teasingly said "Woah there brother, that's one massive eyepatch, what'd'they do? Add you another one?"	22:41
crashanddie	He goes: "No, they had to remove it"	22:41
Arif_	lol	22:41
crashanddie	[... awkward ...]	22:41
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Arif_	they can remove mine too	22:42
Arif_	doesn't work anyway ={	22:42
crashanddie	Arif_: the whole 3DTV must really suck for you	22:42
Arif_	indeed	22:42
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Arif_	it looks quite the same as 2D...	22:42
crashanddie	except for the horrible chromatic aberation and bleeding	22:42
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Arif_	there's a 3D test channel on Turksat.....and everything has weird colors in it	22:44
pupnik	an abberation is some idiot stealing my wages to force me to take off 16 months when i have a kid	22:45
dmj726_n900	don't worry, that chromatic aberation is annoying for all of us.	22:45
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crashanddie	pupnik: you're not forced to take the parental leave if you really want to be a bad father	22:45
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SpeedEvil	pupnik: If you have a kid, I think you'll get to not work again on the media income alone.	22:46
crashanddie	pupnik: plus, looking at all the sleepless nights you have to go through when having a kid, you'd be an idiot not to take some time off	22:46
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crashanddie	best xkcd to date http://xkcd.com/717/	22:47
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Tobarja	just got a n810 in the mail today... can someone recommend a few good 'application catalogs' i should add?	22:52
Stskeeps	maemo extras should be all you ned	22:52
Stskeeps	maemo.org extras, that is	22:52
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Arif_	is there anything else?	22:52
Arif_	:D	22:52
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Tobarja	maybe i did something wrong then... i've only got about a dozen apps available in 'all' and i marked extras as not disabled	22:53
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Arif_	you should have <500 apps	22:54
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Tobarja	ah ok... i clicked refresh and now i have lots more :)	22:54
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Arif_	why did you get an N810 anyway	22:56
trip0	my osk doesn't appear anymore all of the sudden	22:56
trip0	anyone experience the same thing before?	22:56
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Tobarja	because i can't afford a n900	22:58
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Arif_	you could've saved more ;(	22:59
haltdef	order mine friday :D	22:59
Arif_	I'm wating for a better S60v5 device to get released	23:00
Arif_	:P	23:00
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haltdef	never used symbian	23:00
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Arif_	the X6 looks nice	23:01
Arif_	but it has a small screen ;(	23:02
hd1	what's the X6?	23:02
crashanddie	Arif_: the n810 is still a very good device	23:02
Arif_	http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_x6_16gb-3109.php	23:02
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* haltdef still wants a phone		23:02
crashanddie	Arif_: we really shouldn't be dissing any device running maemo	23:02
* hd1 will stick to his Nexus 1		23:02
haltdef	never paid any attention to maemo up until the n900	23:02
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hd1	I also have an n900, but it's crap as a phone, which is a shame,because otherwise it's a great device	23:03
haltdef	360 x 640 pixels, 3.2 inches	23:03
haltdef	ew	23:03
crashanddie	hd1: if you came here to troll, you can leave right away too	23:03
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Arif_	crashanddie, its not that its bad...but will people still do stuff with it now maemo5/meego(later) is out	23:03
crashanddie	Arif_: Maemo 5 has been out for what, 6 months now?	23:03
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haltdef	don't need the phone bit to be brilliant, just a secondary function :P	23:03
noobmonk3y	Arif_ i will, lol well for another 1 4months till i'm due for an upgrade	23:03
noobmonk3y	14*	23:03
crashanddie	Arif_: it didn't remove qualities from the n8x0	23:03
hd1	haltdef: then you might be happy with it	23:03
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C-S-B-N900	the channel has really livened up in here...	23:04
haltdef	I'm probably not alone in wanting a pocketable internet tablet with 3G :p	23:04
crashanddie	and it's about to go real quiet if the android trolls don't shut up	23:04
* hd1 sighs		23:05
noobmonk3y	hmmmm if i send a dbus query to activate the led can i create my own pattern in dbus, or am i limited by the mce patterns, such as - PatternCommunicationCall	23:05
haltdef	can you install unapproved apps without rooting?	23:05
haltdef	(android)	23:05
hd1	haltdef: nope	23:05
haltdef	not happy with this app store being the only way to install stuff	23:05
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C-S-B-N900	why would android users troll? Are we all batting for the same side	23:06
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haltdef	coming from windows mobile	23:06
haltdef	also not as easy to port linux apps is it	23:06
hd1	nice Google's hiring bond traders	23:06
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DocScrutinizer	noobmonk3y: you need to define the pattern in mce.ini	23:06
crashanddie	C-S-B-N900: not really	23:06
hd1	CSB -- are you the Comic Strip Blogger?	23:07
C-S-B-N900	nope	23:07
MohammadAG	noobmonk3y, ty :)	23:07
MohammadAG	off to bed	23:07
MohammadAG	nn	23:07
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dmj726_n900	winmo 7 is....like an iphone from a couple years back...with all the good and bad.	23:08
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hd1	what's good about winMo? I've never had the pleasure of using (or writing apps for) it?	23:09
C-S-B-N900	i think android and maemo are both making awareness of open source.	23:09
dmj726_n900	the new ui looks decent	23:09
C-S-B-N900	which has to be good	23:09
noobmonk3y	lol	23:09
noobmonk3y	DocScrutinizer - cheers :(	23:09
C-S-B-N900	one more refined than the other...	23:09
* haltdef doesn't care about open source		23:09
noobmonk3y	pity wanted to run some random tests from python, via dbus	23:09
dmj726_n900	...but winmo 7 is locked down, lacks multitasking. copy paste	23:10
haltdef	just stop trying to control how I use my £500 device, bastards	23:10
GAN900	C-S-B-N900, Android is the enemy of mobile Linux.	23:10
DocScrutinizer	noobmonk3y: ??	23:10
noobmonk3y	having an issue where only some of the mce' ones work... as some require the screen to be off to work	23:10
C-S-B-N900	gan900 why?	23:10
DocScrutinizer	noobmonk3y: so what. That's how they are defined	23:10
GAN900	C-S-B-N900, because it's not Linux. It's a kernel with Google's insanity on top.	23:11
hd1	GAN900: Linux IS a kernel	23:11
dmj726_n900	correction: android is the enemy of mobile gnu/linux	23:11
hd1	the userland is GNU	23:11
noobmonk3y	:D - just wanted to be able to run through a drop down list - which i have, and test... i think i'm going to have to learn how to blacken the screen.....	23:11
GAN900	hd1, no, the userland is bustybox.	23:11
hd1	GAN900: Linux is nothing more than a kernel	23:11
noobmonk3y	so far 4 / 8 work	23:11
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DocScrutinizer	noobmonk3y: you're free to define your own custom patterns in mce.ini - if you're root to do that	23:11
GAN900	hd1, don't presume to try to lecture me on this issue. :)	23:11
hd1	GAN: the userland in most Linux distros is GNU	23:12
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noobmonk3y	:) - yeah dont want to screw peoples mce as part of my app :D	23:12
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GAN900	C-S-B-N900, it's taking market away from distros that actually care about compliant technologies	23:12
noobmonk3y	just run through to show them whats in there :D	23:12
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hd1	why not? you're wrong, GAN900	23:12
hd1	and I know you are	23:12
noobmonk3y	would also like to run custom patterns, ie, test different led colours	23:12
GAN900	Not developing their own ecosystem that's not compliant with anything else	23:12
hd1	as do you (I suspect)	23:12
noobmonk3y	(ie healthcheck)	23:12
hd1	GAN900: Dalik is open source	23:12
GAN900	But it's not compatible with anything	23:12
hd1	neither is maemo	23:13
Stskeeps	hd1: maemo uses busybox but coreutils and bash	23:13
crashanddie	open source != compatible	23:13
DocScrutinizer	noobmonk3y: you always can access the sysfs nodes directly - if you're root	23:13
Stskeeps	:P	23:13
GAN900	Maemo uses GTK and Qt, which are available on everything.	23:13
Stskeeps	s/but/not/	23:13
noobmonk3y	hmm again the app wont be root, thankee though :)	23:13
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noobmonk3y	will stick to the current ones for now :D	23:13
GAN900	Davlik is limited to Android	23:13
hd1	Dalik can be compiled anywhere else	23:13
* GAN900 can see arguing with hd1 will never go anywhere productive.		23:14
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Arif_	oh I leave for a few minutes and there's a debate again	23:14
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crashanddie	lol... android troll can't even spell the name of the VM	23:14
GAN900	hd1, so it's a good idea to break from everything else?	23:14
valdyn	GAN900: Davlik is not free software?	23:14
dmj726_n900	I can tell you that a lot of the best stuff for maemo would be pain to port to android	23:14
hd1	GAN: only because you're so thick	23:14
DocScrutinizer	noobmonk3y: well, that's the way the system keeps sane. Not allow user to do things like running weird patterns on indicator LED	23:14
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pupnik	and vice versa dmj726_n900 ?	23:14
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noobmonk3y	hehe :D tis fair enough :D	23:15
dmj726_n900	yep, porting an android app to desktop linux would be unpleas*nt	23:15
noobmonk3y	allows me to run some, though so not entirely noobmonkey safe ;)	23:15
GAN900	Maemo forwards existing Linux desktop technologies	23:16
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dmj726_n900	however, porting a maemo app to debian is mostly a matter of packaging (hardware aside)	23:16
pupnik	well put GAN900	23:16
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pupnik	that is the power, and also the ball-and-chain	23:16
crashanddie	two examples: openoffice and thunderbird. Both ran on n8x0 (maybe even 770?). Even though I truly despise people who did such ports, the simple fact that they were possible tells a lot about the platform.	23:17
dmj726_n900	my mom uses oo.o on her n900.	23:18
jacekowski	hi	23:18
haltdef	:o	23:18
pupnik	i found the difficult abiword a very happy result	23:18
jacekowski	i've bought sygic in torrent shop	23:18
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jacekowski	and i'm not sure how to install it	23:19
jacekowski	as there is small .deb file	23:19
jacekowski	and lot of other files	23:19
pupnik	btw is there a simple print->pdf->pipe->cups server solution?	23:19
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pupnik	without a full cups on n900?	23:19
GAN900	lol	23:19
valdyn	jacekowski: you want help in using software without license?	23:19
pupnik	or something equivalent?	23:19
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jacekowski	valdyn: i need help evaluating software	23:20
GAN900	I can't believe people who sell .debs	23:20
Appiah	what	23:20
valdyn	jacekowski: thats ridiculous	23:20
GAN900	It's such a burden for your customer.	23:20
Appiah	who does that?	23:20
pupnik	it would be kinds cool to print from n900	23:20
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jacekowski	pupnik: well, lpr	23:20
jacekowski	pupnik: i mean you could possibly create something very simple	23:21
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jacekowski	because cups is big because it talks to printers and does a lot of other stuff	23:21
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valdyn	pupnik: thats not hard to solve	23:21
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crashanddie	I want to create a CUPS monitor that will say everything that is happening on the printer level with one out of two random female voices	23:22
pupnik	valdyn: would be best if someone with a cloo would do it	23:22
crashanddie	and call it 2grlz1CUPS	23:22
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Shapeshifter	btw, is mbarcode supposed to work?	23:22
pupnik	probabl hahahah	23:22
GAN900	DocScrutinizer, your wish is now a burden!	23:23
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X-Fade	DocScrutinizer: Use the force wisely ;)	23:24
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DocScrutinizer	GAN900: huh?	23:26
* DocScrutinizer checks some....		23:26
crashanddie	DocScrutinizer: use the force, doc, and if that doesn't work, try turning it off and then on again.	23:26
DocScrutinizer	X-Fade: I c	23:26
microlith	Shapeshifter: it does, but its camera handling is poor	23:27
microlith	it stretches the image to fit the window, and can't control the focus	23:27
DocScrutinizer	X-Fade: not that it's been exactly a wish ;-P just an offer	23:27
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noobmonk3y	hahaha!!!	23:27
* noobmonk3y grins n laughs		23:27
pupnik	software should be in english	23:28
pupnik	so the world can finally communicate	23:28
* Trizt thought everyone knew Finnish		23:29
valdyn	pupnik: you can now already print from the debian chroot. Integrating with nokia closed source apps is probably not possible though	23:29
noobmonk3y	lcuk	23:29
* noobmonk3y prods lcuk		23:29
noobmonk3y	lol	23:29
* noobmonk3y learns to type		23:29
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pupnik	typops are permitted on thumbboards	23:30
lcuk	noobmonk3y, hi	23:30
lcuk	ive got an idea i want to run past you	23:31
lcuk	but no time now	23:31
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noobmonk3y	you know how feeble my vibrate test was on healthcheck?	23:31
noobmonk3y	sorted that out - it just scared me when i tested it!	23:31
lcuk	i dont :P	23:31
lcuk	noobmonk3y, speak with jaffa	23:31
noobmonk3y	well, tested, and then the missus text, just as i hit test! it went on a mega vibrate for 10 seconds till the dbus call shut it down	23:31
noobmonk3y	speak with Jaffa?	23:32
noobmonk3y	death by vibration is possible? lol	23:32
jacekowski	yes	23:32
noobmonk3y	but least i got it working now :D	23:32
jacekowski	but that has to strong vibration	23:32
noobmonk3y	:D	23:33
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Shapeshifter	microlith: yeah I couldn't get it to scan any of the barcodes I have around here	23:34
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DocScrutinizer	noobmonk3y: actually I'd not be surprised to find the vibrator isn't designed to work on 100% for extended periods of time	23:35
DocScrutinizer	noobmonk3y: where "extended" means like minutes here	23:36
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w00t_	I put mine on 100% vibrate a few times	23:36
w00t_	it scared me, so I stopped doing it	23:36
w00t_	:P	23:36
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noobmonk3y	hehehe :D	23:37
noobmonk3y	lol w00t_	23:37
haltdef	my x1 no longer vibrates, just quietly clicks	23:37
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GAN900	DocScrutinizer, access list assuming you haven't already figured it out.	23:37
noobmonk3y	DocScrutinizer - yeah i agree - wasnt my idea to do it, was a phantom txt ;)	23:37
DocScrutinizer	w00t_: I found vibration is stronger on maybe 75% than on 100%	23:37
DocScrutinizer	GAN900: I figured	23:37
DocScrutinizer	GAN900: [2010-03-22 22:27:22] <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: not that it's been exactly a wish ;-P just an offer	23:37
w00t_	DocScrutinizer: anything over 20% made me uncomfortable	23:38
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GAN900	dockside, ah, missed that.	23:39
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GAN900	highlight fail	23:41
DocScrutinizer	w00t_: that's what the PWM is for - make you feel comfortable with the result :-)	23:41
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DocScrutinizer	GAN900: anyway got it	23:41
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DocScrutinizer	:-D	23:42
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jacekowski	hmmm	23:43
jacekowski	i've got sygic working	23:43
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Corsac	hmhm, wonder if the mediaplayer will last one complete transatlantic flight	23:44
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crashanddie	http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/03/22/1635205/Open-Source-Is-Not-a-Democracy?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher	23:45
ShadowJK	searching for places is even more broken in sygic than ovi	23:45
crashanddie	It's about time the open source community caught on	23:45
crashanddie	Thank fuck for that!	23:45
crashanddie	Corsac: yup it does	23:46
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crashanddie	Corsac: I flew from Australia (brissie) to London, with 3h stop in Bangkok, only had to charge the N900 in London	23:46
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DocScrutinizer	Corsac: I'd recommend to get a spare bat precharged	23:47
crashanddie	Corsac: same thing on the way back, charged it the day before I left, flew from London to Brisbane, with 2h stop in Dubai, and it had enough juice to phone for 2h after I landed	23:47
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ShadowJK	The search works if you know the postal number..	23:47
ShadowJK	how silly	23:47
DocScrutinizer	crashanddie: amazing	23:47
crashanddie	I killed the Nokia headphones when I landed in London though	23:48
crashanddie	so had to buy new ones :(	23:48
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Myrtti	Open source isn't a democracy. NEWS AT ELEVEN!	23:48
Myrtti	shock and horror	23:49
Corsac	DocScrutinizer: don't have one at all :)	23:49
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crashanddie	Corsac: also, which company are you flying with?	23:50
jacekowski	Corsac: well, if you will behave like a good passenger and don't use it when they tell you to don't use it - it will last	23:51
Corsac	crashanddie: KLM	23:52
Myrtti	klm ♥	23:52
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Corsac	CDG-YVR via AMS	23:52
crashanddie	Corsac: never did intercontinental with them, but they usually offer good service: if your battery runs low, take your charger and phone, and ask a flight attendant if she can plug it in somewhere for an hour or two	23:53
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crashanddie	watch a movie, then ask for it back	23:53
Corsac	I wonder if I should take the wall charger or only the usb key	23:53
Corsac	cable*	23:53
crashanddie	wall charger	23:53
crashanddie	they don't have USB ports in the plane, yet :P	23:53
crashanddie	unless you have a laptop with you, in which case you can charge it that way	23:54
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Corsac	I do	23:54
crashanddie	but really the wall charger is the easiest solution, I always do that with my macbook if it runs out of juice	23:54
Corsac	might be a good idea to bring the laptop just as a power source :)	23:54
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Corsac	or a power adaptor	23:54
Corsac	plug n900 to laptop plugged to the wall :)	23:55
Corsac	a big big power adaptor	23:55
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crashanddie	best is to fly with emirates, as they provide power sockets for everyone, even in economy (on the big boeings). If you're nice and understanding, most cabin crew will allow you to plug it in no problem	23:55
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Corsac	yeah but I don't think emirates does CDG-YVR except with a connection in dubai? :)	23:56
crashanddie	YVR?	23:56
Arif_	take a few extra batteries with you?	23:56
jacekowski	crashanddie: BA provides sockets in some planes in economy as well	23:57
crashanddie	jacekowski: indeed	23:57
jacekowski	i just don't understand why their staff went on strike recently	23:57
crashanddie	but BA's service isn't very good... especially this weekend	23:57
jacekowski	i mean - they agreed onto specific contract terms	23:57
crashanddie	emirates you get hot chicks rubbing themselves against you	23:57
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Corsac	crashanddie: vancoucer	23:58
Corsac	s/ce/ve/	23:58
infobot	Corsac meant: crashanddie: vancouver	23:58
crashanddie	yeah, probably not	23:58
crashanddie	but then again, it's your own damn fault for going to vancouver :P	23:58
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Corsac	definitely :)	23:59
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crashanddie	just take the wall charger, you'll be fine	23:59
crashanddie	unless you're an annoying prick, they'll charge it for you, but then again, I don't expect you to need it	23:59

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