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| Arif_ | it will if it can't find any defined APNs | 00:00 |
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| DrGrov | Arif_: ok, so it will choose my work WiFi tomorrow even though it is not in my list? | 00:01 |
| Arif_ | if its unprotected it will | 00:01 |
| DrGrov | ok | 00:01 |
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| Arif_ | Klowner, Voda's deal is only 250MB for €10 | 00:01 |
| DrGrov | so i will then do so that i switch it to ask manually | 00:01 |
| Arif_ | other operators charge 2,50 a day | 00:01 |
| DrGrov | i am a bit concerned about the security, that is why i keep it ask always or.... should I just use WiFi even though it is unprotected? | 00:02 |
| Klowner | 2,50/day for unlimited? | 00:02 |
| Arif_ | yes | 00:02 |
| DrGrov | Arif_: any need to be concerned about security problems when using a unprotected WiFi ? | 00:03 |
| Arif_ | only if you're paranoid | 00:03 |
| Arif_ | ;P | 00:03 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: yeah, all your data is sent unencrypted. use ssh tunneling or vpn to do stuff | 00:03 |
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| Arif_ | there you go | 00:04 |
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| Shapeshifter | Arif_: stealing passwords is common practice in open wlans. and its _extremely_ easy. a child can pull it off. just sit in starbugs and sniff a few packets. | 00:04 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: ok, so i will switch the internet connection settings to manually ask me each friggin' time :D | 00:04 |
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| Shapeshifter | *starbucks | 00:04 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: perhaps ask always is the way to go? | 00:05 |
| Arif_ | we barely have any open wifi here in Dutchland | 00:05 |
| Arif_ | ={ | 00:05 |
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| Arif_ | DrGrov, I had it set to that and got really annoyed after 4 hours :D | 00:05 |
| DrGrov | Arif_: ok, but I will keep at home my WiFi constantly on when I select it manually first ;) | 00:06 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: depends on what you need. I set it manually only. It's annoying when it switches to any open wlan, and I've got 3G turned off all the time anyway. When I get home and want to do anything special I switch to wlan. else I just leave it on GSM | 00:06 |
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| DrGrov | and for me it doesn't matter if my 3G is always on | 00:06 |
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| Shapeshifter | 3G eats my battery alive. | 00:06 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: how do you mean "set it manually only" ? You can get the Internet connections to never try to connect? | 00:07 |
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| Shapeshifter | can't get through a day (8:00->20:00) with 3G turned on and normal usage :( | 00:07 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: I keep my one also locked in 2G all the time | 00:07 |
| gbraad | DrGov: me neither | 00:07 |
| DrGrov | ok, i will switch it to never asking | 00:08 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: mhh, I mean "Always ask", yeah. I mean, it doesn't ask me at any time because I'm always connected anyway ;) | 00:08 |
| DrGrov | and manually select it | 00:08 |
| Klowner | Arif_: when I get there I'll look around for a vodafone or t-mobile store, if it's as simple as asking them for a SIM with some credit and handing them some money I should be alright | 00:08 |
| Klowner | Arif_: thanks for the insight :) | 00:08 |
| Arif_ | np =} | 00:08 |
| Arif_ | TMobile=2,50 a day 384Kbit | 00:08 |
| Arif_ | Voda=250MB for €10 | 00:08 |
| Arif_ | but they're 3,6Mb | 00:08 |
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| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: so it works like this... When i have it at "Always ask" then it is good since it doesn't connect anywhere. Then when I come home and open the web it will automatically use my home WiFi since the APN is set in Connections? | 00:09 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: I think it wont switch to wlan automatically | 00:10 |
| Shapeshifter | awww crap. the libalarm python bindings aren't complete -.- | 00:11 |
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| Shapeshifter | everything is crippled on this device. it doesn't even ship with ddate :P | 00:11 |
| Klowner | Arif_: are those prices in addition to a "basic" SIM? or can I just tell them all I need is a SIM with 250MB data credit? | 00:12 |
| Arif_ | I don't know how much credit there is at the start | 00:13 |
| Arif_ | but you just send a text to a number to activate mobile internet | 00:13 |
| Arif_ | given you have €10 credit on your sim | 00:13 |
| Klowner | oh ok, cool | 00:13 |
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| Arif_ | stay away from Telfort/KPN/Hi btw | 00:15 |
| Arif_ | they screw you over big time :D | 00:15 |
| Klowner | I've never even heard of them | 00:15 |
| Arif_ | 5,12€/MB | 00:15 |
| Klowner | yeowch | 00:15 |
| DrGrov | ok, i will fix it | 00:16 |
| Klowner | as long as vodafone and tmob work with my N900 | 00:16 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: thanks for the help :) | 00:16 |
| Arif_ | yeah stay with those | 00:16 |
| Arif_ | xD | 00:16 |
| DrGrov | ttyl guys, take care everyone | 00:16 |
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| pupnik | who has figured how to add copy / paste to n900 terminal (not menu) | 00:33 |
| pupnik | kbd | 00:33 |
| pupnik | ctrl c/v foe eg | 00:33 |
| kynky | ctrl-c ctrl-v ? | 00:33 |
| javispedro | to be fair, C-c and C-v do not work even in gnome-terminal | 00:34 |
| aep | any idea how i can make the music player rescan for music? | 00:36 |
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| javispedro | aep: "tracker-processes -r" usually does the job | 00:37 |
| aep | aha thanks | 00:38 |
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| pupnik | javispedro: my xterm maximises to fullscreen now | 00:39 |
| pupnik | which is nice but cannot paste anymore | 00:39 |
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| javispedro | if you're editing the osso-xterm source, you could add the cut/copy paste buttons to the bottom bar | 00:40 |
| pupnik | there is no bar | 00:42 |
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| pupnik | googlin | 00:42 |
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| ptl | pupnik: how do you tab/esc/etc.? | 00:46 |
| ptl | on your modified osso-xterm | 00:46 |
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| javispedro | pupnik: I mean the bottom toolbar, with the "select" button and all the virtual keys | 00:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I want full-screen xstroke on xterm | 00:47 |
| pupnik | i killed the bottom toolbar and forgot how javispedro :) whenever i go fullscreen i get fullscreen | 00:49 |
| pupnik | xstroke? | 00:49 |
| red | pupnik: shift ctrl v? | 00:50 |
| red | thats atleast the default on gnome-terminal | 00:50 |
| red | havent tested on the n900 one | 00:50 |
| red | or if you can access insert key somehow | 00:51 |
| red | then shift+insert | 00:51 |
| javispedro | oh, I learnt something today. | 00:51 |
| javispedro | .. doesn't seem to work in osso-xterm though :P | 00:51 |
| lcuk | "don't eat the yellow snow?" | 00:51 |
| javispedro | hey lcuk | 00:51 |
| * lcuk awakes after first proper sleep in nearly a week | 00:52 | |
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| frals | lo lcuk o/ | 00:53 |
| ptl | xstroke is just gestures for x programs, isn't it? http://davesource.com/Projects/xstroke/xstroke.txt | 00:53 |
| lcuk | hey frals \o | 00:54 |
| Arif_ | xstroke? | 00:54 |
| marmoute | n | 00:54 |
| Arif_ | nice name... | 00:54 |
| frals | you got weird sleeping times for living in the uk | 00:54 |
| ptl | 19:48 <SpeedEvil> I want full-screen xstroke on xterm | 00:54 |
| ptl | SpeedEvil wants it :P | 00:54 |
| Arif_ | :D | 00:54 |
| Arif_ | whatever floats his ....screen | 00:54 |
| ptl | well, it seems to be fairly easy to port | 00:55 |
| lcuk | frals, i have had some horrid dental problems | 00:55 |
| frals | lcuk: oh, sucks :( | 00:55 |
| lcuk | which made sleeping difficult | 00:55 |
| * lcuk managed to see a dentist on sunday morning tho.. | 00:55 | |
| SpeedEvil | xstroke is simple | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | http://davesource.com/Projects/xstroke/ | 00:56 |
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| frals | lcuk: getting better then :) | 00:58 |
| frals | just got a day off tomorrow instead of reporting my project... some nutjob threatned to go mental with a gun at my uni tomorrow | 00:59 |
| lcuk | seems so, elephant pills + sleep make me happy | 00:59 |
| lcuk | yikes | 00:59 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: Ah - tor + voip - where would you be without it. | 00:59 |
| javispedro | one has to wonder if the guy might have a deadline tomorrow... | 01:00 |
| javispedro | s/have/have _had_ | 01:00 |
| frals | hehe, its exam week the coming week... ;) | 01:00 |
| lcuk | wouldnt be so bad if he was in the rifle shooting class, but i bet thats not the case | 01:00 |
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| lcuk | did they catch the guy then frals | 01:01 |
| lcuk | or is just a random warning | 01:01 |
| frals | nope | 01:01 |
| lcuk | :S | 01:01 |
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| frals | my uni got 4 different campuses spread over stockholm + suburbs thou and it didnt say which one was targeted | 01:02 |
| frals | and since im at one of the minor ones im pretty sure its safe, but rather safe than sorry so im staying home :P | 01:02 |
| frals | http://www.kth.se/aktuellt/1.56642?l=en_UK | 01:02 |
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| javispedro | bonus points if they're kilometers apart | 01:03 |
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| javispedro | "the President"? | 01:04 |
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| frals | haha, says the principal in the swedish version :p | 01:04 |
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| javispedro | ah, I learnt two things today | 01:05 |
| javispedro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rector -- says calling it "the president" is somewhat common in the US | 01:05 |
| * Arif_ yawns | 01:06 | |
| javispedro | s/it/him | 01:06 |
| Klowner | school presidunt | 01:07 |
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| zenjr | Hi, I'm currently trying to get some apps from devel and testing and those repositories seem offline... Is there any outage on the servers that host them? | 01:18 |
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| t_s_o | maemo repos down? | 01:34 |
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| guysoft42 | er - was i banned in the channel? | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | (03/15/2010 12:01:21 AM) guysoft22 left the room. | 02:02 |
| guysoft42 | because guysoft22 can't type here :-/ | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | (12:02:00 AM) guysoft42: er - was i banned in the channel? | 02:02 |
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| guysoft42 | SpeedEvil, yes, i wanted to change my nick and it said i could not because i am banned here.. | 02:02 |
| guysoft42 | SpeedEvil, i can't really seem to locate why | 02:03 |
| SpeedEvil | did it actually say banned? | 02:03 |
| pupnik | that is due to the way freenode locks channels | 02:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Or did it say unidentified? | 02:03 |
| guysoft42 | SpeedEvil, yes.. i can't post to channel from that nick | 02:03 |
| pupnik | you have to sometimes leave before identifying | 02:03 |
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| lcuk | guysoft22, its the flags on the channel | 02:03 |
| lcuk | unregistered users cannot talk | 02:03 |
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| pupnik | just leave maemo, identify, rejoin | 02:03 |
| pupnik | it is not a real ban | 02:03 |
| xorAxAx | its a censorship mode | 02:04 |
| guysoft42 | lcuk, yes, but i could not /nick and identify because it does not let banned users change nicks :) | 02:04 |
| lcuk | its silly, across all channels if i end up back in as lcuk2 i cannot identify without that stupid error | 02:04 |
| guysoft42 | .. a paradox! | 02:04 |
| lcuk | agreed | 02:04 |
| pupnik | just leave maemo, identify, rejoin | 02:04 |
| * GeneralAntilles is baaaack | 02:04 | |
| * SpeedEvil steals guysofts pair of ducks, and bakes them. | 02:04 | |
| lcuk | having to close and reopen loses scrollback andis annoying | 02:04 |
| guysoft42 | pupnik, was going to let me switch computers.. | 02:04 |
| guysoft42 | i already got scared someone was abusing my nick :) | 02:04 |
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| GuySoft | yay | 02:05 |
| GuySoft | .. now all that is left is to actually code something for my nokia N810 :-/ | 02:05 |
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| ptl | where do I get vlc for the N900? | 02:20 |
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| haltdef | internet I'd imagine | 02:31 |
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| SWFu64 | imagine a girefaee | 02:35 |
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| ptl | haltdef: where on the internet? | 02:37 |
| haltdef | not sure | 02:37 |
| haltdef | :( | 02:37 |
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| lcuk | ptl, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31802 | 02:38 |
| lcuk | is a lead | 02:38 |
| lcuk | google has results for vlc fremantle | 02:38 |
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| ptl | lcuk: I'll check, thanks | 02:41 |
| ptl | I was just trololo'ed | 02:41 |
| ptl | it is better than being rickrolled? | 02:41 |
| lcuk | erik__, you cannot talk because you are not registered | 02:42 |
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| godrik | done. | 02:43 |
| godrik | hy guys | 02:43 |
| godrik | I am writing some code for my n810 using gtk in c++ | 02:43 |
| godrik | I am trying to figure out how to get my window to fullscreen when the button on the back is pressed | 02:44 |
| ptl | oh | 02:44 |
| ptl | it's in qole.org | 02:44 |
| godrik | I thought there should be a property in a HildonWindow but I can not find it | 02:44 |
| godrik | any idea where I should look for ? | 02:44 |
| godrik | does somebody read me ? | 02:49 |
| ptl | I do but I do not know the answer to your question, or I am lazy to think about it. | 02:50 |
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| pronto | is the repo down again x.x | 03:20 |
| pronto | apt-get isnt working | 03:20 |
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| pronto | anyone O_o | 03:25 |
| lcuk | sorry, irc is down too | 03:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | pronto, testing seems to be down here. | 03:27 |
| pronto | well i'm trying to install ffmpeg via apt-get, and keep getting 504 | 03:27 |
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| ptl | I waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaant PR 1.2 :( no s/a+/a/ please | 03:33 |
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| godrik | Does anyone know how to pass a hildonwindow in fullscreen when the fullscreen button is triggered ? | 03:43 |
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| pupnik | godrik: what OS | 03:57 |
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| sopsnips | hey, guys | 04:01 |
| sopsnips | I just re-imaged my n810 getting ready for a trip.. | 04:01 |
| sopsnips | it seems all the tableteer repos are not responding.. | 04:02 |
| sopsnips | is anyone else seeing that? | 04:02 |
| godrik | pupnik: it is for n810 | 04:02 |
| godrik | so i think it is diablo | 04:02 |
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| ahsm | hi guys | 04:05 |
| pupnik | godrik: maybe theres an existing diablo app that does what you want | 04:05 |
| godrik | pupnik: I should have thought of that.. | 04:06 |
| pupnik | sorry i dont know the answer | 04:07 |
| pupnik | z.) | 04:07 |
| godrik | that fine | 04:07 |
| godrik | It is a little bit annoying because it seems a pretty classical feature and i can not find a faq/doc that describe that | 04:08 |
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| sopsnips | anyone? | 04:15 |
| sopsnips | :) | 04:15 |
| sopsnips | I can't install minigpsd because I can't get to the repos | 04:16 |
| godrik | sorry I do not know | 04:17 |
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| godrik | Is there a 'standard' way to differenciate between maemo/hildon compilation and "classical" gtk ? | 04:19 |
| godrik | or do people just put preprocessor definition themself to mae the difference ? | 04:19 |
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| crs | Hi, is there a google reader enabled rss client for n900? | 04:43 |
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| post_j | . | 04:44 |
| Tobarja | anyone with an N810 like to comment on the wifi quality of that device? work well, reception good, etc? | 04:45 |
| godrik | Tobarja: I got a n810 and I have a pretty good wifi capabilities | 04:46 |
| godrik | but GPS is kind of crappy | 04:46 |
| pupnik | n810 wifi worked better than my t42p | 04:46 |
| Tobarja | ha... i read somewhere someone said they'd had their device for like a year and the GPS was still looking for itself | 04:47 |
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| Tobarja | godrik: work outside if you're still? or only if you're on top of a tall building with no clouds? | 04:47 |
| godrik | If it is cloudy I am usually not getting a fix | 04:47 |
| godrik | or it takes some times | 04:48 |
| Tobarja | i'm not terribly concerned with that... as long as i can walk around my house and surf/irc/voip on wifi | 04:48 |
| godrik | last time on a sunny day i activated a tracker application while driving | 04:48 |
| godrik | and it got an accurate trajectory | 04:48 |
| godrik | but took a few minute to get the first fix | 04:49 |
| godrik | that should be ok | 04:49 |
| godrik | I am living in a (cheap) appartment complet and got a wifi signal 20/30 meters from my front door | 04:50 |
| godrik | I used to use it at my parent's in a 2 level house | 04:50 |
| godrik | floor is done with concrete and I got signal from one floor to the other | 04:50 |
| godrik | About bandwidth, I used skype once or twice at home through it | 04:51 |
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| Tobarja | i work from home and have to keep running back to my desk where the sip phone is ringing | 04:52 |
| godrik | honestly if you are working from home, I would go with a mobile sip phone more than a n810... | 04:54 |
| Tobarja | well... i am expecting one the end of the week, so we'll give it a whirl. if not, i'll put it right back up on ebay... | 04:54 |
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| godrik | for those interested in the fullscreen issues. It is sufficient to call gtk_window_fullscreen and gtk_window_unfullscreen. The fullscreen button is seem as a standard button in the system. | 05:01 |
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| zenjr | Hi, I'm currently trying to get some apps from devel and testing and those repositories seem offline... Is there any outage on the servers that host them? | 05:11 |
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| Dassu | maemo carage | 05:12 |
| sopsnips | zenjr: I am seeing the same thing.. | 05:14 |
| sopsnips | tableteer repos and repositories.maemo.org | 05:14 |
| sopsnips | I need minigpsd after a reflash. | 05:14 |
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| zenjr | both are out right? I can't also install the SDK because of this... | 05:15 |
| zenjr | has it been out for a long time? I'm trying for 6 hrs | 05:15 |
| sopsnips | I'm not sure how it affects the SDK.. but installing normal packages is broken.. | 05:16 |
| sopsnips | yeah.. | 05:16 |
| sopsnips | same here.. | 05:16 |
| sopsnips | I reflashed this morning and am waiting for them to come back up.. | 05:16 |
| sopsnips | the repos really need to be cleaned up and organized.. | 05:17 |
| sopsnips | there are too many and they are all over the place.. | 05:17 |
| zenjr | For the SDK apparently the EULA (end user license agreement) is hosted on this domain, and it doesn't show up | 05:17 |
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| sopsnips | oh man.. I'm sorry.. I really love my n810.. I'd hate for community support for it to grow stale.. | 05:18 |
| zenjr | are there more than repository.maemo.org/extras extras-devel and extras testing? | 05:18 |
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| sopsnips | yeah.. but they are not as complete as those.. | 05:19 |
| sopsnips | there is a site that lists the big ones.. | 05:19 |
| zenjr | yeap, me too... I wanna start having a look on the SDK for my n900 | 05:19 |
| zenjr | really? do you have that link? | 05:19 |
| sopsnips | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ | 05:19 |
| sopsnips | I am not sure if that has n900 repos.. | 05:20 |
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| sopsnips | but it lists n770, n800, and n810 | 05:20 |
| sopsnips | back in a sec.. | 05:20 |
| zenjr | i had a n800... I liked it so much that I sold it to buy the 900 :) | 05:20 |
| zenjr | after all I would carry a cellphone + the 800 | 05:21 |
| zenjr | thanks anyway | 05:21 |
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| sopsnips | yeah.. I carry cell+n810.. maybe I'll upgrade too.. :) congrats.. | 05:22 |
| godrik | personnally i won't | 05:23 |
| zenjr | its worth it.. and the ui is sleeker and way faster than the n800 | 05:23 |
| godrik | I prefer my phone to be DUMB so that it has an awesome battery life and did not crash because of that funny wallpaper | 05:23 |
| zenjr | which wallpaper? | 05:23 |
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| zenjr | I must agree with the battery life though... If you use it constantly downloading content with 3G it lasts way less that I would like... | 05:25 |
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| sopsnips | it still has to be better than the iphone.. | 05:27 |
| godrik | best phone on earth: nokia 1208 | 05:27 |
| zenjr | hehe | 05:27 |
| godrik | 7 day with no calls, 5 hours in call | 05:28 |
| godrik | never crashed | 05:28 |
| zenjr | or the 1100 | 05:29 |
| zenjr | well after the last jan firmware update the n900 hasn't crashed once | 05:30 |
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| godrik | my experience with computers and software is that the question is not whether it will crash but when. And the most complex the system is the earliest the crash will be. | 05:32 |
| zenjr | yeap that is true... The more complex the system more chances it has on crashing... | 05:33 |
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| sopsnips | gotta take off.. be good, guys.. | 05:34 |
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| pupnik | i find it very stable | 06:26 |
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| jX | testing | 06:30 |
| jX | weird. | 06:30 |
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| ahsm | hi everyone | 06:32 |
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| ahsm | im chatting from my n900. :) | 06:33 |
| jX | nice! | 06:33 |
| ahsm | :) | 06:34 |
| ahsm | whats up? | 06:34 |
| jX | Socialism. it's all the rage. | 06:34 |
| jX | everyone's doing it. | 06:35 |
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| ahsm | lol | 06:36 |
| ahsm | quit accident | 06:36 |
| ahsm | you say socialism is the rage? | 06:36 |
| jX | oh yeah. | 06:36 |
| jX | all the kids are doing it. | 06:36 |
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| ahsm | lol | 06:37 |
| jX | oh, wait, sorry, I'm being told I don't mean socialism, I mean DANCE MUSIC. | 06:37 |
| jX | my bad. | 06:37 |
| jX | Socialism is apparently bad. Makes people healthy and ends homelessness, CLEARLY BAD. | 06:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jX, find a different forum for the off-topic, thanks. | 06:37 |
| ahsm | dance music sucks | 06:38 |
| jX | put it away, general, it was a joke. | 06:38 |
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| jX | besides, it's not like the channel is overflowwing at the moment. | 06:38 |
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| jX | a little levity might wake everyone up! Or maybe... WAFFLES. | 06:38 |
| ahsm | we are only allowed to talk maemo related content in this channel? | 06:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ahsm, no, but obviously off-topic stuff is discouraged. | 06:39 |
| pupnik | fins a way to speed up apt-get update | 06:39 |
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| pupnik | find | 06:39 |
| jX | ahsm: he was just afraid I was going political. | 06:39 |
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| jX | The military doesn't liek politicians. | 06:39 |
| ahsm | ok i understand :) | 06:39 |
| ahsm | the n900 is amazi | 06:40 |
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| ahsm | oh btw who saw the start of formula 1 today? | 06:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Formula 1? Meh. :P | 06:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | ALMS is where the fun is. | 06:41 |
| ahsm | le mans | 06:41 |
| pupnik | a racing game based on OSM roads... | 06:41 |
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| jX | Dakar! | 06:41 |
| ahsm | have you seen truth in 24? | 06:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, OK, you're the 3rd person to mention a Maemo racing game in the past 2 days. | 06:42 |
| pupnik | there is nspeed already for example | 06:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | ahsm, no, I haven't, I will, though. | 06:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, something with more realism. ;) | 06:43 |
| pupnik | i have contacted a couple of game devs i want to see release their thing for n900 also | 06:43 |
| pupnik | publishers | 06:43 |
| ahsm | general you really should its very good | 06:44 |
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| pupnik | underwhelming respponse | 06:44 |
| ahsm | anyways | 06:44 |
| ahsm | nice meeting you lot | 06:44 |
| ahsm | goodnight :) | 06:44 |
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| pupnik | stop by again ahsm | 06:44 |
| ahsm | for sure | 06:44 |
| ahsm | peace | 06:45 |
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| pupnik | i suppose no-one else does | 06:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | povbot: ping | 07:51 |
| povbot | pong | 07:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: /mode #maemo -q $~a | 07:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | povbot: ping | 07:54 |
| povbot | pong | 07:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 07:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid ircd seven. | 07:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | stupid crashanddie | 07:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry but it's actually not ird-7's fault | 07:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I didn't say it was its fault | 07:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | just that it's stupid because I need to learn new stuff. ;) | 07:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ahh | 07:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | nm then | 07:57 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, did you file the font kerning bug when you were talking about it? if not someone did for you https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9550 | 08:01 |
| povbot | Bug 9550: Font Kerning hard to read when zoomed in web browser | 08:01 |
| lcuk | if o, whats the number of yours ill mark it as a dupe | 08:01 |
| lcuk | s | 08:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, don't remember. | 08:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't think so. | 08:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tim Samoff may have filed something, though. | 08:03 |
| lcuk | cant see anything specific, nm theres a bug there now | 08:04 |
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| Jaffa | Latest issue of Maemo Weekly News out now: http://www.mwkn.net/ | 08:08 |
| Jaffa | Many thanks to GeneralAntilles | 08:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Thanks to you, Jaffa! ;) | 08:09 |
| Jaffa | :) | 08:09 |
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| Lantizia | morning | 08:26 |
| cedar | mornin' | 08:27 |
| cedar | anyone have anyidea how i get microb and other gui apps to recognize an internet connection that is not wifi or bluetooth? i.e. its coming through usb | 08:30 |
| cedar | just keeps trying to connect to a wifi connection even though it already has a internet connection | 08:31 |
| Lantizia | via what? | 08:31 |
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| cedar | well i'm using a 3g expresscard. i've already managed to get it recognized and connecting to the internet | 08:33 |
| cedar | but microb and presence and others just keep asking for a net connection. i can apt-get and ping via the command line just fine | 08:34 |
| arachnist | you're using the usbnet, but the other way round most people would expect, right? | 08:34 |
| cedar | usbnet? | 08:34 |
| arachnist | well, the "get my internets over usb" | 08:35 |
| arachnist | and without using ppp | 08:35 |
| cedar | i'm using ppp | 08:35 |
| arachnist | uhm | 08:35 |
| cedar | with a 3g card hooked up to the usb | 08:35 |
| arachnist | on the N900? | 08:35 |
| cedar | nope n810 | 08:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 08:36 |
| arachnist | hm | 08:36 |
| arachnist | i think i get it | 08:36 |
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| cedar | i made a quick write up of what i did here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47174 | 08:36 |
| arachnist | n810->usb/expresscard adapter->3g expresscard <| right? | 08:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | hard to establish for N900 - no hostmode :-D | 08:37 |
| cedar | @arachnist yeah thats right | 08:37 |
| MiXu- | I saw some application for N900 that supposedly enables using usb mass storages, etc. | 08:37 |
| MiXu- | It was in extras-devel I think. | 08:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | MiXu-: it's borked | 08:37 |
| arachnist | cedar: there was a way to enable a "dummy" internet connection in the ICD | 08:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bogus | 08:37 |
| pupnik | youtube or it didna happin! :) | 08:38 |
| MiXu- | DocScrutinizer: Alright :) | 08:38 |
| arachnist | cedar: but it's been long since i don't have an n800 (which also had maemo4) | 08:38 |
| cedar | ICD? | 08:39 |
| arachnist | internet connection daemon | 08:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/FR+UMTS.jpg | 08:40 |
| cedar | ah ok i'll check it out thanks | 08:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 08:40 |
| pupnik | cool | 08:41 |
| TigerTael | Does Eclipse work okay with GCJ? | 08:41 |
| cedar | @arachnist maybe this? gconftool-2 -s -t string /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/DEFAULT/type DUMMY | 08:43 |
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| arachnist | cedar: maybe | 08:45 |
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| arachnist | cedar: i honestly, don't remember | 08:45 |
| cedar | @arachnist cool thanks | 08:47 |
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| tigert | morning | 08:50 |
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| cedar | hmmm aparently dummy connections are broken in diablo | 08:52 |
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| inz | DocScr,is thar some kind of ancient geek hammer? | 09:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | inz: hypermodern teawarmer ;-) | 09:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and here http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/impressions-of-25C3/ are the crackers for teatime | 09:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | really crunchy ;-P | 09:06 |
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| thresh | mmh, how do i disable rd mode on n900 ? :) | 09:19 |
| arachnist | there was a way to do it with the flasher | 09:20 |
| thresh | well i'm trying to --disable-rd-mode, but either I cant get the exact moment of bootup, or... | 09:20 |
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| thresh | while loop rules | 09:23 |
| thresh | bruteforce ftw | 09:23 |
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| thresh | hmm, it wasnt .profile after all. | 09:26 |
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| TigerTael | ffs, esbox is giving me headaches. | 10:37 |
| TigerTael | Trying to follow the SDK installation guide(s), but bleh. | 10:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | help | 10:39 |
| timeless_mbp | my hardware keyboard is giving me hebrew | 10:40 |
| timeless_mbp | how do i fix this? | 10:40 |
| Wolfie | tried fixing the keybord layout? | 10:40 |
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| Wolfie | s/fixing/changing/ | 10:40 |
| infobot | Wolfie meant: tried changing the keybord layout? | 10:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | Wolfie: text input says US English (in too many words, because someone was stupid) | 10:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | but yeah, changing languages temporarily fixes it | 10:51 |
| timeless_mbp | this isn't the first time i've hit it | 10:51 |
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| Wolfie | sounds fun | 10:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | turns out i have 'hebrew-keymap' installed | 10:53 |
| Wolfie | didn't that come along with the latest maemo update? | 10:54 |
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| Wolfie | i'd remember that there was some hebrew-keyboard-fix-thingie... | 10:54 |
| Wolfie | can't say that my layout would've changed, however | 10:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | it seems to be in fremantle repository, by a Matan Ziv-Av, so i guess it isn't nokia's | 10:55 |
| timeless_mbp | there must be some magic keystroke that randomly changes the hardware keyboard layout | 10:56 |
| timeless_mbp | because it only provides two files, an Xsession.post and the keyboard | 10:56 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:16 |
| X-Fade | Morning | 11:17 |
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| Coke | Hi guys! Im trying to sort my contacts on Availability, perhaps I misunderstand the meaning of the word, but my offline contacts are shown at the top, in alpha order. | 11:17 |
| Coke | how can I make it sort by "availability" for real? | 11:17 |
| X-Fade | Coke: Are you actually signed in to the services? | 11:18 |
| Coke | yeah | 11:18 |
| Coke | how can I tell? | 11:18 |
| X-Fade | Green dot. | 11:18 |
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| hrw | morning | 11:19 |
| Coke | i guess no then | 11:19 |
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| Coke | I have two jabber accounts, both are marked as "enabled" | 11:19 |
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| Coke | Ohh, I get it. | 11:20 |
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| hrw | hm. nokia guys last commit for qt was 10 march | 11:55 |
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| * Stskeeps sits down and tries to process the BME licensing change bug | 11:56 | |
| hrw | Stskeeps: wontifx? | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: not this simple sadly | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | as in, maybe not fix the original request, but it's a forth and back discussion on how to deal with it | 11:58 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: bmo or internal? | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | bmo | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | i do these things in public, so | 11:58 |
| hrw | bug#? | 11:58 |
| * Shapeshifter released another version of his alarmd frontend. Now supports relative event setting à la "tomorrow", "next friday" or "in 15 minutes". :) | 11:59 | |
| Stskeeps | 9314 , but no evaluation from me there yet | 11:59 |
| hrw | bug #9314 | 11:59 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9314 relicense BME | 11:59 |
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| w00t | interesting | 12:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: I definitely want to give that a try | 12:06 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: next thing on my list is the cli interface :) | 12:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | great. Still is the current version in *devel ? | 12:08 |
| Shapeshifter | yeah. | 12:08 |
| * DocScrutinizer fires up HAM | 12:08 | |
| DocScrutinizer | I hope it's hildonized? or not so greedy | 12:09 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: greedy? it uses pyside so it's slow, but looks nice | 12:09 |
| Shapeshifter | nicer then pyqt for that matter | 12:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: only a 22MB left on / here | 12:09 |
| Shapeshifter | ah | 12:09 |
| Shapeshifter | its optified | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | gahh, s/hildonized/oftified/ | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | a freudian | 12:10 |
| Shapeshifter | ^^ | 12:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see? I can't even spell it :P | 12:11 |
| MiXu- | Oh that's what optifying means? :) | 12:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~optification | 12:11 |
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| infobot | from memory, optification is a botch to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space | 12:11 |
| Shapeshifter | infobot is cute | 12:12 |
| Shapeshifter | ~infobot | 12:12 |
| infobot | infobot is probably The coolest, or a decepticon | 12:12 |
| Shapeshifter | decepticon? xD | 12:12 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: when doing the cli interface I'll also seriously restructure the code. It's a total mess by now ;) it just "grew" ^^ | 12:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~but optification is a botch to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs | 12:14 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: what are you talking about? | 12:14 |
| MiXu- | I see | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~forget optification | 12:15 |
| infobot | i forgot optification, DocScrutinizer | 12:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~optification is a botch to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs | 12:15 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer | 12:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~optification | 12:15 |
| infobot | optification is, like, a botch to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs | 12:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: hehe, a quite commonly seen problem on sw development | 12:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | supposedly small augments collide with a flawed or 'grown' structure | 12:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually a major refactoring is ok in such a case | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf?? "installing alarmed needs 39MB of system storage" <HAM> | 12:21 |
| * DocScrutinizer scared | 12:21 | |
| Shapeshifter | huhh | 12:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | libqt, libboost (eeeeek) - no surprise | 12:23 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: ah. | 12:23 |
| Shapeshifter | indeed | 12:23 |
| * Shapeshifter is still looking forward to shiboken | 12:23 | |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd not give a shit if only I knew all those hogs go to /opt | 12:23 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: they don't? | 12:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I don't dare to try and install | 12:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: dunno | 12:24 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Pulls in Qt4? | 12:24 |
| Shapeshifter | qt is optified apparently. ls /opt/qt4-maemo5/lib/ | 12:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | HAM is so... uhh verbose | 12:24 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Then it is safe. | 12:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: HAM at least tell it's pulling libqt-maemo5-* | 12:25 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Yeah, that is is ok. | 12:26 |
| MiXu- | Is the rootfs a physically faster media, than rest of the eMMC or what's the logic behind having such a small drive as rootfs? | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I'll gibe it a go. Hide if I need to reflash after this enterprise | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-) | 12:26 |
| SpeedEvil | MiXu-: it's on the same chip as the RAM. | 12:26 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: ^^ | 12:27 |
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| MiXu- | hmm, ok | 12:27 |
| MiXu- | Makes sense | 12:27 |
| SpeedEvil | MiXu-: the other one is easily replacable (at design time anyway) | 12:27 |
| * dottedmag wonders why there is tracker in firmware while there are no reverse-deps for it | 12:27 | |
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| dottedmag | well, except "whole image" package | 12:27 |
| SpeedEvil | MiXu-: And it is slightly faster. | 12:27 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, can you change the "botch" to "inventive duct tape workaround" | 12:28 |
| MiXu- | I wonder when flash memories will actually become fast on embedded devices. | 12:28 |
| SpeedEvil | http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1268647567823.jpg - internationalisation. (mostly worksafe) | 12:28 |
| SpeedEvil | MiXu-: it's 13 megabytes/s - that's not exactly slow | 12:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~forget optification | 12:28 |
| infobot | i forgot optification, DocScrutinizer | 12:28 |
| SpeedEvil | MiXu-: and 24 or so if you read from the mmc and the ubifs at the same time | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs | 12:29 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer | 12:29 |
| lcuk | :D thanks! | 12:30 |
| MiXu- | SpeedEvil: I guess that's sufficient for an embedded device then :) | 12:30 |
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| rmrfchik | SpeedEvil: lol, jewish | 12:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | yipeee, not a single 0.1MB lost in / :-))) | 12:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: cool. You'd be interested in extending the selection of period for recurring events by a custom setting, so user could create things like "every 27 minutes" ? | 12:37 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: I wanted to do that yesterday, but unfortunately the pymaemo libalarm bindings don't support that :( Only the mask-type-of recurring events (hourly, weekly...) but not every x minutes. | 12:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin python bindings | 12:39 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: I reported a bug a month ago including a fix for a very simple and obvious bug, but it's not been fixed until now | 12:40 |
| Shapeshifter | because of that bug I can't enable dbus events in alarmed. Everything is already there but the event creation is broken because of that bug | 12:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually you can bet, if it's not the original API messing the functionality by "simplifying" things too much, then for sure it's the bindings doing a great job on this | 12:41 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: well, even the official apps don't seem to use the "every x minutes" feature in alarmd. modest for example creates a new event every time it has checked the mail | 12:42 |
| Shapeshifter | you can see this happening in /var/cache/alarmd/alarm_queue.ini | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeeewww | 12:42 |
| Shapeshifter | but I'm not sure. because the event does have recur_secs: 900. and in the python bindings exactly this I can't set | 12:43 |
| thresh | so | 12:43 |
| Shapeshifter | but still, the event is recreated everytime with a new cookie. anyway, alarmd is a bit weird. I still don't get why they didn't just go with cron | 12:43 |
| thresh | repo.m.o is still down? | 12:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | + | 12:43 |
| X-Fade | thresh: Should not? | 12:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: (cron) probably it's been a bit daunting to integrate the RTC wakeup to crond | 12:44 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: rtc wakeup? is that the thing where the phone turns itself on upon an event? | 12:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 12:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's hard to tell if it's better to have a alarmd based on crond which in turn is patched to meet the mobile environment idiosyncrasies, or have a crond using alarmd for the actual timekeeping | 12:47 |
| thresh | X-Fade: oh well, nevermind. | 12:48 |
| thresh | of course, it's still nokia's fault that i failed to set up usb networking properly. | 12:48 |
| X-Fade | thresh: If you notice a problem, please let me know though. | 12:48 |
| thresh | X-Fade: sure. | 12:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: anyway I hope your alarmed cmdline interface will make a viable substitute for cron | 12:49 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: we'll see | 12:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | as well as for at | 12:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe even for batch? | 12:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-) | 12:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: suuuuper. One of my top ten useful apps | 12:54 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: :) thanks. | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | right, evaluated the BME bug | 12:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | BME bug?? | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9314 | 12:55 |
| povbot | Bug 9314: relicense BME | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 12:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | my stack has glitches :-P | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: that one for sure a special one - regarding product liability / waranty of Nokia. I pretty much can see why the're particularly reluctant on that one | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i fully understand why they are choosing this, but let's try to limit the damage of it being closed :P | 12:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ack | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | 'leaking' would be a possible path to approach it | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, OK, if you want to reverse engineer it and make your pants catch fire in an airport, you're welcome to do that, but i'm not going to help you | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:58 |
| ynezz | :) | 12:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: (catch fire in airport) usually won't happen as you rarely are going to massively overcharge the cell during your stay at airport :-) | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: battery charger on plane comes to mind, if there's electric plugs | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: aah yes | 13:01 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if BL-5J has a protection chip anyway | 13:01 | |
| Shapeshifter | "airbus a300 catches fire due to nokia battery charging algorithm reverse engineering by DocScrutinizer" | 13:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 13:02 |
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| DocAvalanche | now let's push this nice lil nasty :-P | 13:02 |
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| Shapeshifter | ^^ | 13:04 |
| * Arif_ yawns | 13:04 | |
| DocScrutinizer | backcover open/close always gives me goosepimples - *CRRACKKK* *shudder* | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: only way this situation would have been better would have been if a community had been the ones developing the charging in the first place :P | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | (how does law deal with a community causing someone's pants to catch fire anyway?) | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think GPL is pretty clear on that one as well | 13:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Yeah. You have to offer the fire to others for a nominal cost. | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 13:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "is supplied as is... may eat your cat... no liability taken in whatever form..." | 13:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well maybe that'S not core GPL but the salt | 13:08 |
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| nidO | gpl and community-delivered or not, nokia wont want even the risk of "bl-5j battery blows up, toddler dies" headlines :p | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think Nokia should consider leaking as a way of dealing with stuff like that | 13:10 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: then there's the issue of them not suing the pants off people implementing stuff based on the leaked materials.. | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | trade secrets etc.. | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | why should the be interested in doing so. And in the end of the day there's absolutely ZERO secret stuff inside BME | 13:12 |
| X-Fade | The main issue is, and will always be, the lipo hazard. | 13:14 |
| * SpeedEvil nods. | 13:15 | |
| andres | Having briefly looked at some of the nokia-produced kernel code I would say a publically reviewed version would hardly be more likely to cause an incident... | 13:15 |
| SpeedEvil | X-Fade: which is irrelevant | 13:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | X-Fade: as that's in kernel or hardware | 13:15 |
| SpeedEvil | At least - if the kernel driver doesn't do sanity checking, it's _COMPLETELY_ broken. | 13:15 |
| X-Fade | We recently had an example again in the RC community, with someone actually burning his house down with a simple lipo+charger. | 13:15 |
| SpeedEvil | neglecting the fact that there may be hardware safeguards. | 13:16 |
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| X-Fade | This all stems from the issue that people want to get 'info' from BME. Not actually drive the thing. | 13:16 |
| Shrik3 | aren't you supposed to charge lipo batteries inside fireproof bags? | 13:17 |
| thresh | oh yeah | 13:17 |
| thresh | i finally found out what was causing my device to reboot on start | 13:17 |
| SpeedEvil | X-Fade: I want to control charging | 13:17 |
| thresh | and the winner was libdui0 | 13:17 |
| SpeedEvil | X-Fade: I want to set a lower maximum limit - 4.1, not 4.2V | 13:17 |
| thresh | which added /etc/X11/Xsession.post/13duithemedaemon without adding /usr/bin/duithemedaemon | 13:18 |
| SpeedEvil | X-Fade: As I never run out of battery, and want my battery to last longer. | 13:18 |
| thresh | so DSME was sending the machine to reboot | 13:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | heh, the fire in my last flat is missing explanation of the cause yet | 13:19 |
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| MiXu- | :) | 13:19 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: freerunner battery fire? ;) | 13:19 |
| MiXu- | Is there any app to schedule reboots for N900? | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | there were no FR around at that time | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | was before I even started my job at OM - I visited TPE with all my face burnt | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/visited/first time visited/ | 13:20 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: was before I even started my job at OM - I first time visited TPE with all my face burnt | 13:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I suspect the NiMH in a mini vacuum cleaner | 13:22 |
| Shapeshifter | nokia should just do what we tell them on the bug tracker :> | 13:22 |
| Shapeshifter | problem solved | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | if they did, we'd have hello kitty cases. | 13:23 |
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| Shapeshifter | that's a fair price to pay ;) | 13:23 |
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| w00t | I actually want one of those now | 13:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh well -- "" | 13:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | - Change charging algorithms (trickle-charge if it's likely to be on AC | 13:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | overnight anyway?) | 13:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | "" | 13:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-(( | 13:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't it already trickle charge if it's at 100%? :P | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | I really hope it doesn't | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | well, 90% | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | dunno | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | MiXu-: see Shapeshifter's alarmed. I think a cmdline event kicking off a 'sudo shutdown -r now' will do | 13:27 |
| MiXu- | Hmm, nice. I'll look into it. | 13:28 |
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| TigerTael | *Sigh* | 13:54 |
| TigerTael | I can't get nokia map loader to do anything with my N900, advice? | 13:54 |
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| Stskeeps | find jaffa's guide | 13:55 |
| Clickety | get an iphone | 13:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I was wondering why my battery went down a _lot_ while playing mp3 while gardening. | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: (9314) sigh, it's really difficult. I know patents might be insane, but honestly I can't see any valid patents in charging LiPo - it's ancient technology and algos are wellknown prior knowledge | 13:55 |
| TigerTael | Clickety, no thanks. | 13:55 |
| rmrfchik | it's shame to nokia to have uncompatible software. ovi suite, map loader | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Turns out I was in range of my wifi, and the rsync to backup my laptop had kicked off. | 13:56 |
| rmrfchik | both are advertised as "for n900" :( | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i'm not happy about 9314 either, but just stating objective facts :P | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: muhaha | 13:56 |
| pupnik_ | testing 10mw range today | 13:56 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: (personally i wouldn't mind seeing it OSS'ed, but i also have to be realistic) | 13:56 |
| TigerTael | rmrfchik, my OVI suite seems to be working no problem, just the map loader keeps telling me to put it into mass storage mode, and then it tells me to put it into PC suite mode. | 13:56 |
| pupnik_ | SpeedEvil: pulseaudio probably | 13:57 |
| rmrfchik | TigerTael: Ovi Suite claims "no compatible device" or similar | 13:57 |
| rmrfchik | PC Suite works well | 13:57 |
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| TigerTael | Mine suggests starting 'maps' once, although I've used it several times. It's obviously not checking for the maps directory/cache properly. | 13:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: ""Differentiation: Negative, there are probable Nokia patents in there"" - I humbly doubt that's actually the case | 13:58 |
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| Stskeeps | right, i'm not a patent attorney | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:59 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: feel free to prove me otherwise in the bug report, my opinion isn't the only valid one :) | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL how could I?? | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | as in, showing that i'm making an assumption, which i will grant, i am :P | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | the idea is to have an honest discusson in the process to move things ahead, so :P | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | just claiming the CC/CV charging of LiPo is prior knowledge, incl all its variations | 14:00 |
| Coke | Where do I add/remove repos? | 14:00 |
| Coke | just edit the sources.list? | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: :nod: | 14:01 |
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| TigerTael | Okay, I'll just do it manually. | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: I can't prove nonexistence of anything - it's a mission impossible as you may learn from scientific basics | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | so how could I prove there's no patents inside closed code | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I just have STRONG doubts | 14:03 |
| Coke | Ohh, they call it "application catalogue" | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | yes, that what i'm asking to note in the bug :) | 14:03 |
| Coke | way to be inconsistant | 14:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: *sigh* eventually I might drop a comment | 14:04 |
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| pupnik_ | http://www.impactlab.com/2010/03/09/nokia-patents-cell-phone-that-recharges-itself-by-harvesting-energy-from-motion | 14:06 |
| pupnik_ | missed that | 14:06 |
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| nidO | looking forward to that if they can get meaningful amounts of power from it | 14:07 |
| MiXu- | I doubt that they ever will. | 14:08 |
| MiXu- | It would require a lot of movement. | 14:08 |
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| Shapeshifter | they could get 'meaningful' amounts of energy, if energy consumption was lowered drastically | 14:08 |
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| MiXu- | True | 14:09 |
| nidO | I don't really see why not, a single rotary arm in a watch will keep it running forever, if nokia are intending to embed piezoelectric crystals throughout all the spare cavities in the bodies of their phones, that'd be a fairly hefty lifespan increase | 14:09 |
| MiXu- | nidO: The current that a watch draws is measured using something much smaller than "mA" :) | 14:09 |
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| TigerTael | ;] | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | lo afb | 14:09 |
| nidO | ofc it is, and it's kept charged by a single horridly inefficient rotary arm, not a set of crystals embedded throughout a frame much larger than the watch | 14:10 |
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| MiXu- | I could imagine that you'd be able to charge a phone if you're running. | 14:12 |
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| MiXu- | or if you shake it | 14:12 |
| ptl | they could use a perpetual motion device to extract energy from it | 14:12 |
| nidO | hell, i'd be happy if walking/running movement could provide even a reasonable amount of the phone's idle power usage to partially maintain the battery, let alone charge it | 14:12 |
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| Jaffa | Right, I'm in: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2010-March/004118.html | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | woop | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | but now i have to decide who to order for, and in which order | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:14 |
| * VDVsx is tempted to paste jaffa's questions in jaffa's email :D hihi | 14:14 | |
| pupnik_ | how about piezo keyboard switches? | 14:15 |
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| Jaffa | VDVsx: feel free ;-) | 14:16 |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, nah, it's your questions, but would be fun :D | 14:17 |
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| Jaffa | VDVsx: I *think* I've answered all of them ;-) | 14:17 |
| VDVsx | yeah :) | 14:18 |
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| MiXu- | http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/10/piezoelectric_b.php | 14:18 |
| MiXu- | We're really not talking about major charging energies with those piezoelectric thingies =) | 14:19 |
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| MiXu- | But I'm happy if they actually make something feasible out of them. Just sceptical. | 14:19 |
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| MiXu- | For african markets it might even make sense | 14:21 |
| MiXu- | "They walk to school, walk to work, walk to the river to fetch water, etc., they don’t need to walk to the man with a car batter strapped to the back of a bicycles, charging for electricity anymore." | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | i'll vote for anyone who will push for stronger moderation at talk.maemo.org | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | current state makes the community look like monkeys on crack | 14:23 |
| MiXu- | lol | 14:23 |
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| TigerTael | Stskeeps, I whole-heartedly agree. | 14:24 |
| pupnik_ | compared to what Stskeeps | 14:25 |
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| Jaffa | pupnik_: monkeys on dope, obviously | 14:26 |
| pupnik_ | i think to your hopes | 14:26 |
| pupnik_ | not to forums in general | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | compared to a anything-goes attitude | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:27 |
| Shapeshifter | Stskeeps: auto-ban all members with a thanks/posts ratio of less then 0.5? | 14:27 |
| TigerTael | mmmm... | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | Shapeshifter: nah, don't be silly | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | i was thinking people visiting troublesome forum users and beating them ;) | 14:28 |
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| Shapeshifter | :D | 14:29 |
| MiXu- | I believe at leat 50% of internet users have the tendency to look like complete idiots (or monkeys on crack) on forums. | 14:29 |
| MiXu- | *least | 14:30 |
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| VDVsx | make it 99% when referring to youtube commenter's :D | 14:32 |
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| pupnik_ | mytube works great on pc btw. lets me uninstall flash | 14:34 |
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| slonopotamus | okay. got n900 from repair back (pulled out usb connector, you know). they just replaced whole motherboard. | 14:35 |
| MiXu- | yep, no surprise | 14:36 |
| slonopotamus | and it took them 4 weeks :/ | 14:36 |
| MiXu- | I had my 6110 Navigator serviced a while back. They changed everything except the camera and the frame. :D | 14:37 |
| MiXu- | Oh and the display | 14:37 |
| MiXu- | And the reason for service was that it was acting funny. Sometimes not ringing at all etc. | 14:37 |
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| visz | i have a 6110 navigator too | 14:38 |
| slonopotamus | MiXu-, and what did you want them to fix? | 14:38 |
| visz | work like a toilet of a train | 14:38 |
| MiXu- | slonopotamus: The funny behavior. (Not ringing, shutting down by itself, etc) | 14:38 |
| visz | allthough it does sometimes shut down by itself | 14:39 |
| visz | not regularily though | 14:39 |
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| MiXu- | Mine got fixed. Doesn't shut down on it's own anymore. | 14:39 |
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| MiXu- | Not that I use it much anymore since I have an N900. | 14:39 |
| MiXu- | It's in my car and I use it for navigation only. | 14:39 |
| visz | i use both | 14:39 |
| visz | 6110 for actually talking to people, n900 for everything else | 14:40 |
| visz | allthough my n900 is trashed for the moment | 14:40 |
| Appiah | O_o trashed how? | 14:40 |
| visz | 6110 for navigation also | 14:40 |
| visz | much better than n900 | 14:41 |
| visz | Appiah, gave it a bath in a toilet bowl | 14:41 |
| Appiah | >_> | 14:41 |
| Appiah | oh god ... | 14:41 |
| MiXu- | I refuse to acknowledge that N900 would even have navigation. | 14:41 |
| visz | Appiah, indeed | 14:41 |
| MiXu- | It's so bad. | 14:41 |
| jaska | confusingly they have reused model numbers, the 6110 i remember is a pre-symbian phone :) | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | visz: you could have recovered by immediately removing the battery and gently drying it | 14:41 |
| Appiah | I only had my n900 for a week now, cant say I'm to happy about the navigation so far | 14:41 |
| MiXu- | jaska: They've been doing that for a while | 14:41 |
| MiXu- | there's also 3110 classic etc. | 14:41 |
| jaska | :( | 14:42 |
| visz | DocScrutinizer, or i could have _not_ dropped it | 14:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | visz: actually giving device (disassembled though) a thorough dousche is a method to *fix* certain issues, which I use frequently | 14:43 |
| MiXu- | The Maps on N900 looks and feels like it was designed by someone who's blind and has never seen map software. | 14:43 |
| jaska | haptic maps? | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | cool | 14:44 |
| zash | visz: <random joke refering to bathing and "SIM" meaning "swim" in swedish> | 14:44 |
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| dockside | ehm no it dont | 14:56 |
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| kamui | MiXu-, what a wonderful statement | 15:04 |
| kamui | :-D | 15:04 |
| MiXu- | kamui: Have you seen the icons? :D | 15:05 |
| MiXu- | They could as well be in chinese | 15:05 |
| MiXu- | It would -look- impressive, if the performance was good enough. | 15:06 |
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| MiXu- | But the logic in the UI eludes me. | 15:06 |
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| lcuk | from an artistic perspective the banding effect is quite calming | 15:24 |
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| Stskeeps | VDVsx, X-Fade, +b *!~dash*@* .. or just ban *!*@adsl-83-100-232-162.karoo.KCOM.COM and *!*@den-69-171-160-141.evdo.leapwireless.net | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:26 |
| savetheinternet | wtf is with the spam? | 15:26 |
| X-Fade | savetheinternet: Yeah yeah. | 15:26 |
| X-Fade | ehm Stskeeps ^^ | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | (that was a very lame attack :P) | 15:27 |
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| X-Fade | That was just a lamer, yes. | 15:27 |
| w00t | X-Fade: reported to staff already btw | 15:27 |
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| rmrfchik | hmm, trying http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 15:28 |
| rmrfchik | $ dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/requestcom.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_activate string:PatternCommunicationIM | 15:29 |
| rmrfchik | Must use org.mydomain.Interface.Method notation, no dot in "string:PatternCommunicationIM" | 15:29 |
| * DocScrutinizer suggests getting dropegg with spammer-autokick | 15:29 | |
| rmrfchik | what I do wrong? | 15:29 |
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| Arif_ | oo | 15:35 |
| Arif_ | spam in the morning | 15:35 |
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| e115sa | Hi. Does anyone get ConIC work correctly in SDK of Maemo5? | 15:48 |
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| Vratha | hi | 15:54 |
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| pupnik_ | battery saving tip - i am getting same effective range dropping n900 xmit power from 100mw to 10mw | 15:55 |
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| andrewfblack | Jaffa: i'll send out a reply to your questions today. I need to look into a way to access Mailing Lists from Work. I don't have access to gmail web client here. | 15:56 |
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| Kegetys | does that actually save any meaningful amount of power? I thought it is just some regulation type thing for some countries | 15:56 |
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| X-Fade | pupnik_: Any you get less than 1% of battery saving with that ;) | 15:57 |
| X-Fade | s/Any/And/ | 15:57 |
| infobot | X-Fade meant: pupnik_: And you get less than 1% of battery saving with that ;) | 15:57 |
| pupnik_ | ah | 15:57 |
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| pupnik_ | bummer | 15:58 |
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| X-Fade | pupnik_: Nokia knows powersaving. If it mattered, it would have been dynamic or so. | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | woo, moomin on polish tv | 15:58 |
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| pupnik_ | i will run some tests when i have a lappy again | 15:59 |
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| Jaffa | andrewfblack: Cool, thanks. | 16:00 |
| Jaffa | andrewfblack: I'm not as impartial now as I was when I wrote them, though ;-) | 16:00 |
| andrewfblack | Jaffa: thats good, now to find a way to access my email from work | 16:02 |
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| lcuk | jaffa, some random community member asked a load of questions to the candidates - have you answered all of them :p | 16:03 |
| tybollt | jaffa kree! | 16:04 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: I believe I've answered them. Would it be too noisy to restructure my manifesto into the Q&A format? | 16:04 |
| frals | studying for exam is pretty boring if anyone was curious | 16:05 |
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| lcuk | jaffa if everyoneelse is formatting their statments to wrap around your q&a then it makes sense for you to do likewise | 16:05 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Fair enough | 16:05 |
| w00t | Jaffa: your questions scare me! | 16:06 |
| tybollt | frals: guess you stay home from kth today? :P | 16:07 |
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| Jaffa | w00t: In what way? | 16:07 |
| TigerTael | WHAT YOU SAY? | 16:08 |
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| w00t | Jaffa: kidding, mostly, it was just a lot of text to read at 2am when I first came across them | 16:08 |
| tybollt | ALL YOU BARSE ARE... | 16:08 |
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| tybollt | (base, too) | 16:08 |
| frals | tybollt: i stayed home until after lunch... best excuse for sleeping in ever ;) | 16:08 |
| TigerTael | tybollt, haha, nice. | 16:08 |
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| Jaffa | w00t: :) | 16:08 |
| tybollt | frals: Did you take it seriously though? I used to work at su.se and we had all sorts of weird shit go on there (like pimps selling hookers on campus etc) but never something like that. | 16:09 |
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| derf | This guy --- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Reza_Taheri-azar_SUV_attack --- "turned himself in" by parking his SUV next to the house I was living in and calling the cops. | 16:17 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, ping are you around | 16:17 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Always. | 16:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | Usually you just rent them. | 16:21 |
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| polden | lo, everyone :) | 16:21 |
| frals | tybollt: yeah, wa suppose todo a presentation this morning but postpooned it | 16:22 |
| polden | Has anyone ever experienced getting "Reinstallation of kernel is not possible, it cannot be downloaded." when trying to run apt-get install --reinstall kernel? | 16:22 |
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| frals | or well, didnt expect anything to happen but id feel pretty stupid if i went and it ended up happening smth :P | 16:23 |
| Veggen | derf: there was a story in the newspapers about a van with presumed explosives and stuff in it, that was suspicious, here.... | 16:24 |
| tybollt | frals: or... if you went and the place was empty due to everyone other than you TAKING it seriously ;) | 16:24 |
| Veggen | derf: it was seen, but not located, and people were asked to look out for it... | 16:24 |
| tybollt | Veggen: typical fear mongering | 16:25 |
| frals | ^^ | 16:25 |
| Veggen | derf: that very day or the day after, I saw a bunch of middle-east-looking men walking in and out of the (very cheap) hairdresser) I usually go to, and iraqui guy... | 16:25 |
| Veggen | carrying propane bottles and stuff in and out of exactly such a van. | 16:26 |
| derf | Did you do your civic duty? | 16:26 |
| tybollt | derf: "civil" | 16:26 |
| tybollt | "civic" is a type of Honda car. | 16:26 |
| sopsnips | civic duty is more accurate.. | 16:27 |
| Veggen | nah. tho I was pondering for quite a while. But the day after, the case was more or less rolled up to be some other stuff, and not related to him ;) | 16:27 |
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| derf | http://www.thefreedictionary.com/civic+duty | 16:27 |
| tybollt | ;) | 16:28 |
| derf | I still remember everyone here looking for a "white van"... no other more detailed description... during this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks | 16:28 |
| sopsnips | the Honda civic name came from the late 70s or early 80s Honda CVCC | 16:29 |
| derf | Not only was their vehicle not white, it wasn't a van. | 16:29 |
| sopsnips | cool little cars but underpowered.. | 16:29 |
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| LuciusMare | God I love nokia. | 16:38 |
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| LuciusMare | They make a Linux coffee maker, but forbid N900 to have MeeGo >_> | 16:38 |
| Robot101 | ?! did you see any devices running MeeGo yet? did you think maybe it might need quite a lot of work still? :) | 16:39 |
| SpeedEvil | forbid? | 16:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Constant Velocity Critical Control? | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | LuciusMare: HUH? | 16:40 |
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| LuciusMare | Well, at least not officially | 16:41 |
| VDVsx | and unofficially ? | 16:41 |
| VDVsx | ;) | 16:41 |
| LuciusMare | Heh | 16:41 |
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| LuciusMare | Well, there is always this posibility | 16:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I seem to recall a statement like "N900 is reference platform for meego" | 16:42 |
| VDVsx | he's probably referring to this: http://asia.cnet.com/crave/2010/03/15/nokia-n900-not-upgradeable-to-meego/ | 16:43 |
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| Arif_ | N900 should not get Moogo ... | 16:46 |
| summel | why not? | 16:47 |
| Arif_ | gives me a reason to buy a new device :D | 16:47 |
| summel | :O | 16:47 |
| summel | can i have your n900 for free then? | 16:47 |
| summel | :P | 16:47 |
| LuciusMare | lol | 16:47 |
| Arif_ | xD | 16:47 |
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| LuciusMare | I wonder how will the meego turn out | 16:48 |
| w00t | VDVsx: it's amazing that people listen to an article on cnet over a blog from one of the guys on the TSG.. | 16:48 |
| summel | i hope it will be better then moblin | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | well ""Maemo on Nokia N900 is not upgradeable to MeeGo" sounds just about inherently correct statement | 16:48 |
| Arif_ | I hope it'll have a usable media player | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: SSU'ing to MeeGo is insane though | 16:48 |
| tybollt | SSU? | 16:49 |
| summel | DocScrutinizer: well opensuse i7 s not upgradeable to debian squeeze also :o | 16:49 |
| LuciusMare | w00t: I got from a "local" blog, it is trustable, and i found also the cnet article, so i didnt search more, even because i kinda expected it | 16:49 |
| summel | *7 | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | click a item in your application manager to update to meego | 16:49 |
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| VDVsx | w00t, and without any source(like a VP, Manager), like Nokia told us , who's Nokia ? :D | 16:49 |
| w00t | LuciusMare: http://meego.com/community/blogs/valhalla/2010/towards-day-one | 16:49 |
| w00t | VDVsx: exactly | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | summel: so what? | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: they spoke to NOKLA instead | 16:50 |
| summel | i want meamo/meego/iphoneos/android quadboot! :P | 16:50 |
| VDVsx | lolol | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | summel: isn't that exactly what I said? | 16:50 |
| LuciusMare | summel: you forgot ubuntu | 16:50 |
| summel | DocScrutinizer: yes :) and its just logical that is not possible to upgrade from one distribution to another | 16:50 |
| summel | LuciusMare: ewww :O | 16:50 |
| Arif_ | summel, don't forget winmo, BBOS, and S60! | 16:50 |
| * VDVsx asks Qwerty12 about Meego in the Nokla devices | 16:50 | |
| summel | yay S60 | 16:50 |
| LuciusMare | Arif_: MSDOS! | 16:50 |
| Arif_ | yay | 16:50 |
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| summel | s60 could be possible :) | 16:50 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, that's also false, Nokla will run meego ;) | 16:51 |
| Arif_ | S60v5, Symbian^3, Symbian^4! | 16:51 |
| * LuciusMare pants at the idea of having original UNIX on his n900 | 16:51 | |
| Arif_ | all one one device! | 16:51 |
| summel | android already works afaik | 16:51 |
| summel | openDarwin :O | 16:51 |
| LuciusMare | ORLY? | 16:51 |
| Arif_ | who wants android? | 16:51 |
| LuciusMare | Oh, well... :) | 16:51 |
| luke-jr | LuciusMare: impossible | 16:51 |
| Arif_ | well | 16:51 |
| Arif_ | android has more games..:D | 16:51 |
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| * w00t burns Arif_ with fire | 16:52 | |
| summel | i dont like android | 16:52 |
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| * Arif_ 's already hot :P | 16:52 | |
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| LuciusMare | Me neither, but it seems to be spreaded more than maemo/meego | 16:52 |
| LuciusMare | At least its not winmo, it is still linux :) | 16:52 |
| w00t | why settle for second best? | 16:52 |
| luke-jr | neither are Linux really | 16:52 |
| luke-jr | just Linux-based | 16:53 |
| LuciusMare | Heh | 16:53 |
| LuciusMare | It's still UN*X. | 16:53 |
| Arif_ | lets port Win7 to the N900! | 16:53 |
| luke-jr | I don't know a single modern handheld device that real Linux can run on :/ | 16:53 |
| * LuciusMare stabs Arif_ | 16:53 | |
| luke-jr | let's lynch Arif_ | 16:53 |
| Arif_ | :D | 16:53 |
| Arif_ | so much hate for mikrofost :( | 16:54 |
| LuciusMare | Also, i wonder how can you *port* something closed-source | 16:54 |
| LuciusMare | Unless you work at MS, ofc :) | 16:54 |
| luke-jr | LuciusMare: emulators | 16:54 |
| luke-jr | see b-man|laptop | 16:54 |
| LuciusMare | Emulation != porting | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: me does | 16:54 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: ??? | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: it's called freerunner | 16:54 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: key word "modern" | 16:55 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: Freerunner is at least a generation obsolete now | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: definition please | 16:55 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: Cortex-A8 or newer | 16:55 |
| luke-jr | 256 MB RAM minimum | 16:55 |
| LuciusMare | luke-jr: how come? N900 is ARM, so with a little tweaking, it should be able... | 16:56 |
| tybollt | whatever | 16:56 |
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| tybollt | as long as it plays my pr0n in HD | 16:56 |
| tybollt | I'm good | 16:56 |
| Arif_ | it doesn't! | 16:56 |
| tybollt | It doesn't!? outrageous! | 16:56 |
| LuciusMare | LOL | 16:56 |
| Arif_ | XD | 16:56 |
| Arif_ | you must convert it to stamp size files! | 16:56 |
| LuciusMare | How deep thoughts... | 16:56 |
| luke-jr | 'pr0n' should be illegal | 16:57 |
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| tybollt | luke-jr: dude, IT IS | 16:57 |
| tybollt | Go to Koala Lumpur and read a pr0n mag on the sidewalk... or saudi arabia by all means.. | 16:58 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Manifesto restructured and questions answered :-p | 17:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: expired "once" events not removed | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: dunno if that's a flaw or a feature | 17:20 |
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| thopiekar | are there any news about the SDK's? can't install the one for maemo5 and maemo4, but need them to work.. | 17:49 |
| thopiekar | wanna help? | 17:49 |
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| thopiekar | or do you have any solution for downloading the rootstrap for diablo? | 17:49 |
| thopiekar | this isn't working atm | 17:50 |
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| andre__ | thopiekar, why can't you install them? | 17:53 |
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| zaheerm | satmd, interesting idea :) | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | satmd: webmailer ;-P | 17:54 |
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| thopiekar | andre__: can't install the maemo4 sdk because the rootstrap can'T be installed and the maemo5 sdk can't be installed because a package is missing in apt... | 17:57 |
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| andre__ | and the package is? | 17:57 |
| andre__ | is this a known issue / filed bug? | 17:58 |
| thopiekar | theme-config | 17:58 |
| thopiekar | dunno | 17:58 |
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| andre__ | ...or a talk.maemo.org thread? | 17:59 |
| lcuk | thopiekar, is it missing because of random network problem | 17:59 |
| andre__ | well, issues don't magically vanish ;-) | 17:59 |
| lcuk | or because of real actual missing gone not available from anywhere kind of problem | 17:59 |
| thopiekar | so, lcuk, how to fix? | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | andre__: sometimes they do ;-D | 18:00 |
| lcuk | thopiekar, retry | 18:00 |
| lcuk | unlessyou know its a specific problem | 18:00 |
| lcuk | because people can generally still do both | 18:01 |
| lcuk | unless you are the first to try either and now have found a new problme | 18:01 |
| hrw | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/mdbus2/2.0.0-3/ anyone? | 18:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hrw: huh? | 18:02 |
| hrw | DocScrutinizer: hunting for thumbupers | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ohh, of course!! | 18:02 |
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| lcuk | hrw does it use the shell icon thing that was posted around recently | 18:03 |
| thopiekar | ERROR: Scratchbox is not properly set up! -- o.O?! | 18:03 |
| lcuk | im sure some additional stuff was indicated to highlight console apps | 18:03 |
| hrw | lcuk: it does not iirc - was produced before that stuff appeared | 18:04 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, can you recall where the console app support page was | 18:04 |
| lcuk | yeah hrw | 18:04 |
| lcuk | ok didnt know if you knew | 18:04 |
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| thopiekar | what the hell is now not properly set up?! | 18:05 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Hang on, got it to hand | 18:05 |
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| thopiekar | there is even no verbose or debug mode for additional output.. all packages are installed.. | 18:06 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/Command_line_applications | 18:06 |
| lcuk | heh thanks jaffa | 18:07 |
| hrw | I will add those bloody icon in next version of package. but I will not make new package just for icon | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | and "register" button even is dead. coooool :-S | 18:07 |
| lcuk | would it be doubly evil to remove command line apps from ham altogether ;) | 18:07 |
| lcuk | hrw i know im just jesting i wasnt sure whrether there was anything else | 18:07 |
| lcuk | "to install command line utilities you must use the command line" | 18:08 |
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| * javispedro is now, for some reason, running for the council :) | 18:11 | |
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| thopiekar | lcuk: networking is in comparison to yesterday faster, but theme-config is still not available.. | 18:11 |
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| Jaffa | javispedro: Rock on. | 18:12 |
| Jaffa | GAN900 needs to run and then I can see an ideal lineup :) | 18:13 |
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| javispedro | Hopefully with some more n900-era nominees; I wouldn't want to be the greenest newbie candidate :) | 18:15 |
| lcuk | jaffa good job this isnt real elections, you cant be a media mogul and counciller at same time in real life afaik :p | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | garage JS is pretty fucked up. Konqueror goes nuts, asking two time "save password for this page" and none of both works... etc | 18:15 |
| lcuk | javispedro, you have a technical background and desire to make the most of hte hardware past and present | 18:16 |
| lcuk | thopiekar, :S i dunno | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | *future* | 18:16 |
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| hrw | "page 6ef50c66221c11dfb170b731e256a4dca4dc has been commented by Marcin Juszkiewicz (hrw)" - can someone fix maemo.org website to give *INFO* not crap? | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | yes please | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | those sha1sums in subject lines are pretty silly | 18:17 |
| Arif_ | lolwut? | 18:17 |
| hrw | and midgard-permalink stuff is next crap | 18:17 |
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| lcuk | mgedmin, those urls are important | 18:18 |
| lcuk | its just as important as knowing the ip address lol | 18:18 |
| javispedro | note that I plan to make one of my council campaign promises to try to get as many top maemo.org applications as possible in transifex | 18:18 |
| hrw | link to page: http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-SOMECRAPWHICHWILLENDINNSFWOROTHERCRAPWHICHYOUDONOTKNOWANDWILLNOTKNOWUNTILCLICK | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | hrw: I remeber someone asking for help desparately as he gave a thumb-up to his own package, and for this was somewhat locked out from his own project | 18:18 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: factor in that to demote your project you have to thumb down it and you have some real fun | 18:19 |
| javispedro | s/down it/it down | 18:19 |
| achipa | DocScrutinizer: thumbing up your own package is okay. Doing it through fake accounts isn't | 18:19 |
| hrw | DocScrutinizer: so far I do not care too much will my pacakge be available for users or not | 18:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well maybe I got something wrong | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | just thought I'd mention it | 18:20 |
| hrw | DocScrutinizer: so far I decided to end development of my not-even-released-as-binary app for maemo | 18:20 |
| Khertan | Hello all ! | 18:20 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Doesn't seem to have hindered Berlosconi! However, hopefully MWKN is suitably distributed that such shenanigans won't be possible. | 18:21 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: However, next issue will have subliminal <blink>Vote Jaffa</blink> text. | 18:21 |
| lcuk | nahhh | 18:21 |
| lcuk | you need web 2.0 server side blink ;) | 18:22 |
| javispedro | MWKN already sounds like some politic debates network | 18:22 |
| lcuk | sorry, 2.1 | 18:22 |
| lcuk | http://cheese.blartwendo.com/web21-demo.html | 18:22 |
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| javispedro | a few of these "2.1 <blink>" would be enough to destroy all bandwidth and human civilization | 18:23 |
| lcuk | http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/hypno-toad/hypnotoad.jpg | 18:23 |
| lcuk | is what i think of with subliminal advertising | 18:23 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: you mean http://r33b.net/ | 18:23 |
| lcuk | wow Jaffa, that site is fant ALL GLORY TO THE HYPOTOAD! | 18:24 |
| lcuk | :D | 18:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | @.@ | 18:34 |
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| javispedro | see? I-hate-the-N900 posts come in batches to tmo. | 18:35 |
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| hrw | javispedro: surprised? | 18:39 |
| hrw | people watched commercials which told them how great n900 phone is and they got something other | 18:40 |
| javispedro | they didn't got a n900? =) | 18:41 |
| hrw | the problem is that they got n900 | 18:41 |
| hrw | instead of promised great phone | 18:41 |
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| javispedro | ah, seems like the Maemo Silverlight client is no longer in the works | 18:45 |
| javispedro | (if it ever was I leave as an exercise to the reader) | 18:46 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 18:46 |
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| X-Fade | javispedro: Going for the MeeGo client instead? | 18:47 |
| * slonopotamus kicks zyb.com for not sending sms with settings | 18:47 | |
| javispedro | they dropped the symbian client from their download center so I guess not | 18:47 |
| javispedro | maybe they're going for iphone instead :P | 18:47 |
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| Jaffa | javispedro: Awww; source? | 18:48 |
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| javispedro | http://www.google.com/search?q=Silverlight+symbian+site%3Amicrosoft.com | 18:48 |
| javispedro | if the first result is the MS download page, click it | 18:48 |
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| nidO | well it was available and got pulled, cant imagine that after finally getting it ready they make it available then just ditch it entirely, probably someone overeagre putting it online before waiting for the big PR event | 18:50 |
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| arachnist | maybe they don't want symbian phones to get all the hot and exclusive silverlight content like... (does anyone actually use silverlight?) | 18:50 |
| tybollt | nidO: what was available and got pulled?? | 18:50 |
| javispedro | nidO: yes, that's a valid point | 18:51 |
| zaheerm | silverlight for s60 | 18:51 |
| javispedro | google cache says it was put on the 9th | 18:51 |
| nidO | tybollt - the silverlight client for s60 | 18:51 |
| tybollt | is silverlight - at all - important? | 18:51 |
| slonopotamus | (it isn't needed. same as adobe air) | 18:51 |
| zaheerm | it is to microsoft | 18:51 |
| Arif_ | silverlight is next to useless | 18:51 |
| tybollt | I find microsoft shoving it down my throat - not once did I actually need it though | 18:51 |
| Arif_ | only place I saw it was on TRT's streaming site | 18:51 |
| Arif_ | :D | 18:52 |
| zaheerm | the winter olympics was streamed with silverlight | 18:52 |
| slonopotamus | Arif_, why not just stream wmv directly if you're on ms-side? | 18:52 |
| Arif_ | it was an alternative to wmv streams | 18:53 |
| Arif_ | =} | 18:53 |
| zaheerm | wmv only doesn't allow you to do funky stuff like flash does (ads etc.) | 18:53 |
| * Arif_ uses whatevers available :) | 18:53 | |
| slonopotamus | Arif_, yeah, but every windoze box has wmv support. but it doesn't have silverlight. | 18:54 |
| zaheerm | but most web streaming is done with flash, silverlight will always be a niche | 18:54 |
| Arif_ | slonopotamus, thats why I think its useless | 18:54 |
| * slonopotamus kicks zyb.com again | 18:54 | |
| X-Fade | Let's hope HTLM5 video will get sane at some point. | 18:54 |
| Arif_ | yeah, we'll get google and moozilla fighting over the codec :( | 18:55 |
| tybollt | X-Fade: it will not | 18:55 |
| tybollt | X-Fade: as video is inherently busted. | 18:55 |
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| slonopotamus | Arif_, i fail to see why they can't just stream to ffmpeg _whatever_ they're given in <video>. | 18:55 |
| Arif_ | don't ask me | 18:56 |
| Arif_ | THEY're fighting :P | 18:56 |
| tybollt | the whole HTML5 Video thing is so fucked up. | 18:56 |
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| tybollt | all parties involved are fucked up | 18:56 |
| Arif_ | I'd just pick one codec and go with it | 18:56 |
| nidO | lets just all hug silverlight instead \o/ | 18:56 |
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| Arif_ | nidO, we can't :( no one's using it ={ | 18:57 |
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| Arif_ | I'd rather have Adobe/Nokia hurry the hell up with Flash 10.1 | 18:58 |
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| LuciusMare | Hi, the abiword has this annoying function that fills the rest of the word for me... where can i turn it off? | 18:58 |
| ccooke | Afternoon, all | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | slivershite - smells like MS vs Sun java case - try, fail, try harder, fail better. MS never learns | 18:58 |
| nidO | i'd rather MS market silverlight well, it become widely adopted, a maemo client released, and adobe fade into a bootnote of "how not to do it" of software companies | 18:58 |
| Arif_ | LuciusMare, turn off auto complete in settings>input | 18:59 |
| LuciusMare | auto complete... why didnt i realise that before? :) Thanks | 18:59 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer, the funny thing is that java failed long time ago in browsers. | 19:00 |
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| LuciusMare | wait, i can't find it, in settings, there is just "general, document, spellcheck (all turned off) and smart quotes | 19:01 |
| Arif_ | the settings of Moomo? | 19:02 |
| LuciusMare | Moomo? | 19:02 |
| Arif_ | Maemo | 19:02 |
| * andrewfblack is thinking of doing a Star Trek Theme Next | 19:03 | |
| LuciusMare | Well, yes, i am talking about the maemo abiword | 19:03 |
| Arif_ | as in | 19:03 |
| Arif_ | menu>settings>text input | 19:03 |
| Arif_ | o.o | 19:03 |
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| Vratha | andrewfblack: nice | 19:03 |
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| Vratha | andrewfblack: get it into the repos :) | 19:03 |
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| andrewfblack | Vratha: all my themes go to repos :) | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | andrewfblack: make it do "bleleleeep" when opening slider ;-P | 19:03 |
| Arif_ | there should be a "Themes" category in extras | 19:04 |
| LuciusMare | Arif_: menu>edit>preferences, i did, lemme find settings | 19:04 |
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| * Arif_ gives up | 19:04 | |
| LuciusMare | ... | 19:04 |
| andrewfblack | DocScrutinizer: if someone can right a program that plays a audio clip when slider is open that would be cool | 19:04 |
| nidO | themes really should have their own category | 19:04 |
| andrewfblack | Arif_: their was one but it was removed when we went to Maemo5 I don't know why really | 19:05 |
| LuciusMare | andrewfblack: i had this feature on my previous winmo phone. I killed it after three slides | 19:05 |
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| Arif_ | sound on slide is really annoying | 19:05 |
| * slonopotamus tries to decide whether he should opt-in for unlimited 3g for $20/mo (slowed down to 64kbps after 3.5Gb/mo) | 19:05 | |
| Arif_ | andrewfblack, woo :P going backwards! | 19:05 |
| Arif_ | slonopotamus, will you use it! | 19:06 |
| LuciusMare | OH! | 19:06 |
| LuciusMare | Arif_: kill me, found it... | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | LuciusMare: you found maemo settings app meanwhile? | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh | 19:06 |
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| Arif_ | XD | 19:06 |
| Arif_ | I was about to suggest returning the phone | 19:07 |
| LuciusMare | DocScrutinizer: i thought it is purely an abiword feature... | 19:07 |
| slonopotamus | Arif_, i already use 3g, but strongly limit myself in traffic, so it doesn't take insane amounts of money | 19:07 |
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| Arif_ | slonopotamus, I hear USA has a lot of free wifi | 19:07 |
| LuciusMare | Arif_: *pants* | 19:08 |
| slonopotamus | Arif_, i'm not in usa :P also, i doubt any wifi will work for you while in train :) | 19:08 |
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| Arif_ | then go for it! | 19:08 |
| nidO | wifi on the train will! | 19:08 |
| Arif_ | I wouldn't even get an N900 without unlimited internet | 19:09 |
| Arif_ | as I manage near 10GB a month :P | 19:09 |
| slonopotamus | Arif_, even for free? :P | 19:09 |
| Arif_ | no | 19:09 |
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| Arif_ | its way too useless as a media player/phone | 19:09 |
| Arif_ | :P | 19:09 |
| ccooke | Arif_: I find mine a pretty decent phone. The best touchscreen phone I've used, certainly | 19:10 |
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| ccooke | (but yes, without decent data it wouldn't be anywhere as good) | 19:10 |
| * LuciusMare agrees | 19:10 | |
| * Arif_ would prefer a phone with a non crappy media player | 19:10 | |
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| nidO | tbh, mine makes and receives phone calls, it does what I want as a phone. I couldnt give 2 shits about the inane crap people on t.m.o are so up in arms about like lack of individual ringtones. | 19:10 |
| tybollt | guys | 19:11 |
| tybollt | egypt - what about carriers down there? | 19:11 |
| Arif_ | nidO, mine's %99 on silent :D | 19:11 |
| tybollt | soon going on vacation to Egypt and would love to have me some cash card w/ 3G | 19:11 |
| Arif_ | hmm | 19:11 |
| Arif_ | no idea | 19:11 |
| * ccooke recently had cause to absolutely love his n900. You can't call UK 084x numbers from Israel... but I could via SIP. | 19:12 | |
| Arif_ | I can only help you with Turkey/Holland ;P | 19:12 |
| tybollt | been to turkey - lovely place! | 19:12 |
| hrw | Arif_: I would prefer to have good email client | 19:12 |
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| ccooke | (and when you're trying to deal with insurance for stuff that vanished from your luggage, anything that makes things easier is wonderful) | 19:12 |
| tybollt | Holland? Wouldn't go there since I'm neither into hookers nor blow :) | 19:12 |
| Arif_ | hrw, with no internet? | 19:12 |
| tybollt | do turkey, man, all that nice food | 19:12 |
| tybollt | and the women :) | 19:13 |
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| * Arif_ is Turkish but unfortunately lives in .nl :( | 19:13 | |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: tulips too! | 19:13 |
| Arif_ | .nl has like | 19:13 |
| Arif_ | .....cheese | 19:13 |
| Arif_ | :P | 19:13 |
| tybollt | no | 19:13 |
| hrw | Arif_: iirc .nl has good dataplans available | 19:13 |
| Arif_ | well | 19:13 |
| Arif_ | good | 19:13 |
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| tybollt | I don't "do" tulips SpeedEvil - I leave that for home simpson ;) | 19:13 |
| MiXu- | .fi also has great dataplans \o/ | 19:14 |
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| tybollt | .fi has LAAKRITSI | 19:14 |
| tybollt | and vodka | 19:14 |
| Arif_ | I'm on the only flatfee plan available | 19:14 |
| tybollt | and ... nothing else | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | lack of individual ringtones??? o.O | 19:14 |
| tybollt | mämmi perhaps | 19:14 |
| tybollt | mämmi is good shitz | 19:14 |
| Myrtti | I'm trying to find a mobile phone plan for the two month stay in US and it's awful | 19:14 |
| Arif_ | most providers in .nl have a 250MB limit | 19:14 |
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| Myrtti | reading about the options makes me only more confused | 19:14 |
| tybollt | Myrtti: I gather "our" type of 3G is less than common over there, or? | 19:15 |
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| slonopotamus | 250mb? is that a joke? | 19:15 |
| Myrtti | if not non-existant | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf?? I got D.A.F musolini for ringtone | 19:15 |
| nidO | ? | 19:15 |
| Arif_ | in Turkey you get 7.2Mb 4GB for like 30TL(=15€) :P | 19:15 |
| nidO | wtb turkish carriers here :< | 19:15 |
| * Arif_ is stuck on 1Mb for 15€ which gets capped to 384 after 2GB | 19:15 | |
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| nidO | still arent any in the uk that support 7.2mbit atall | 19:16 |
| Arif_ | I was suprised too lol | 19:16 |
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| Arif_ | I tested it out this summer and I got 5+Mb | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | nidO: who's claiming there'd be a problem with having whatever .wav or mp3 you like, for a ringtone? | 19:18 |
| andrewfblack | I need to find some good icons to go with Star Trek Theme | 19:18 |
| SpeedEvil | 19:18 | |
| SpeedEvil | I assume thgat means per-contact ringtone | 19:19 |
| nidO | that ^ | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 19:19 |
| FIQ | did you just type a wall of space line or does xchat fails? | 19:19 |
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| FIQ | [18:15:57] <Arif_> in Turkey you get 7.2Mb 4GB for like 30TL(=15€) :P | 19:20 |
| Arif_ | ? | 19:20 |
| Arif_ | no | 19:20 |
| FIQ | i have 7.2Mb 5GB for 89SEK per month | 19:21 |
| FIQ | iirc | 19:21 |
| * Arif_ converts that to real money | 19:21 | |
| Arif_ | oo | 19:21 |
| Arif_ | even better | 19:21 |
| FIQ | 89SEK=like 10€ | 19:21 |
| LuciusMare | lol | 19:21 |
| * Arif_ demands Dutchland get that too | 19:22 | |
| Arif_ | gets* | 19:22 |
| FIQ | three ftw | 19:22 |
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| Arif_ | we can't use VOIP on our mobile internet plans | 19:22 |
| Arif_ | ={ | 19:22 |
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| thopiekar | http://pastebin.ca/1841389 | 19:23 |
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| thopiekar | any suggestions? | 19:23 |
| VDVsx | dneary, hey, why you didn't included my awesome nickname in your email ? :P | 19:24 |
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| VDVsx | ehe | 19:24 |
| dneary | VDVsx, I spent less time on the people who declined :) | 19:24 |
| VDVsx | :( | 19:24 |
| dneary | VDVsx, Sorry! | 19:24 |
| VDVsx | np ;) | 19:24 |
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| dneary | I had to hunt quite a while to confirm that Attila77 is Attila Csipa | 19:24 |
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| andre__ | there are some interesting candidates. | 19:25 |
| javispedro | thopiekar: instead of osso-af-sb-startup, install "maemo-sdk-dev nokia-binaries nokia-apps" | 19:25 |
| * satmd wished, the irc plugin for contacts would ignore 'Global' | 19:25 | |
| mgedmin | Jaffa, metasuggestion for Maemo Weekly News: shortening a 5-item list into a 3-item list with "and 2 more" doesn't save much space, but annoys the reader | 19:25 |
| VDVsx | dneary, btw, I don't trust this GeneralAntilles guy, don't know him, perhaps is some tmo troll undercover :D | 19:26 |
| thopiekar | javispedro: E: Couldn't find package nokia-binaries | 19:26 |
| mgedmin | Jaffa++ | 19:26 |
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| dneary | VDVsx, That's what I thought, just wanted to make sure | 19:26 |
| * mgedmin likes the weekly news thingy | 19:26 | |
| thopiekar | javispedro: E: Couldn't find package nokia-apps | 19:26 |
| dneary | And this sjgadsby, didn't see him in the karma list anywhere... | 19:26 |
| VDVsx | lol | 19:26 |
| FIQ | hm | 19:26 |
| thopiekar | javispedro: maemo-sdk-dev is already the newest version. | 19:26 |
| javispedro | thopiekar: did you do the binaries stuff? | 19:26 |
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| thopiekar | yes.. me is now installing the maemo5 sdk... | 19:27 |
| FIQ | i showed my games for a friend, it askes "why is every game containing penguins?". :p | 19:27 |
| FIQ | eh | 19:27 |
| LuciusMare | no ar in maemo repos? | 19:27 |
| FIQ | s/it/he/ | 19:27 |
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| FIQ | asked* | 19:27 |
| thopiekar | javispedro: I mean in my maemo4 sdk :P | 19:27 |
| FIQ | my english ftw | 19:27 |
| SpeedEvil | blocks has no penguins. | 19:27 |
| LuciusMare | and neither does chess | 19:28 |
| thopiekar | now I want to set up my maemo5 sdk.. | 19:28 |
| javispedro | thopiekar: installing both sdks in the same system is not trivial, I would start by installing only the final m5 sdk | 19:28 |
| thopiekar | installing the maemo5 sdk is what I do atm.. | 19:28 |
| javispedro | then if everything works _maybe_ downloading the diablo toolchain and setting up the target manually | 19:29 |
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| thopiekar | the howto says that I can start the sdk after install by export DISPLAY=:2; af-sb-init.sh start | 19:29 |
| thopiekar | but doesn't work | 19:29 |
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| javispedro | tbh I've never tried the graphical install | 19:29 |
| * thopiekar really wants to.. :) | 19:29 | |
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| * FIQ wished that bounce evolution had more racing levels | 19:30 | |
| * javispedro is happy now that tuxrace somewhat works | 19:30 | |
| FIQ | maybe with different themes, nature, water, etc | 19:30 |
| FIQ | i want a nice 3d racing game | 19:30 |
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| FIQ | not fake-3d in smk/mksc/nspeed-style | 19:31 |
| heoa | How can I press TAB-fast in N810? | 19:31 |
| heoa | witouth styles | 19:31 |
| heoa | stylys | 19:31 |
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| heoa | Cannot believe it, there is no "pipe"-key on the keyboard? | 19:32 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: It currently is clever enough to not put "...+1 more". | 19:32 |
| mgedmin | good | 19:32 |
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| * mgedmin suggests something like if len(items) <= 6: leave items, otherwise return the first 3 + "one more" | 19:33 | |
| javispedro | thopiekar: this is the documentation you should read: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | I mean, click a whole link just to see two lines of text? | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | seems wasteful | 19:34 |
| thopiekar | javispedro: yes.. I read about that I have to accept the Eula.. | 19:34 |
| heoa | anyone done a good patch for the N810 layout, it is terrible | 19:34 |
| thopiekar | and it works | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | now "10 more" I would accept gratefully | 19:34 |
| thopiekar | thank you anyway, javispedro | 19:34 |
| thopiekar | :) | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | I don't know where the threshold is | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | maybe around 4/5 | 19:34 |
| Arif_ | oo | 19:34 |
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| lcuk | gnite maemo \o | 19:35 |
| Arif_ | Samsung is releasing a 3D phone! | 19:35 |
| Arif_ | I wonder how thats going to work | 19:35 |
| heoa | How can I scroll my old commands in Console withouth retyping or to use Tab? | 19:35 |
| FIQ | hm | 19:35 |
| w00t | lcuk: go to bed already :P | 19:35 |
| Arif_ | heoa press up? | 19:35 |
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| FIQ | is there a nice programmer-layout out there? | 19:35 |
| FIQ | or need i make an own? | 19:35 |
| FIQ | keyb layout i mean | 19:36 |
| heoa | Arif_: thanks, it did not occur me to be an arrow | 19:36 |
| FIQ | with keys like []{}<> on fn+random | 19:36 |
| Arif_ | =} | 19:36 |
| VDVsx | Arif_, heard that only works inside Pandora :D | 19:36 |
| lcuk | w00t i woke up at 11pm last night | 19:37 |
| Arif_ | what? | 19:37 |
| Arif_ | 3D? :P | 19:37 |
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| heoa | Where is pipe, programmer-quote etc ? | 19:37 |
| lcuk | only had 1 painfree sleep in last 4 days | 19:37 |
| heoa | in n810? | 19:37 |
| VDVsx | Arif_, yes, bad joke, you know that movie avatar :D | 19:37 |
| FIQ | 3d phone? | 19:37 |
| javispedro | you SHOULDN'T misuse the word Pandora here | 19:38 |
| Arif_ | :D | 19:38 |
| FIQ | since when did manufacturers maded 2d phones? o.o | 19:38 |
| Arif_ | dunno | 19:38 |
| Arif_ | ask Samsunk | 19:38 |
| * w00t hugs lcuk | 19:38 | |
| FIQ | :P | 19:38 |
| * VDVsx is receiving old mails from maemo ML, very annoying | 19:39 | |
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| heoa | Is there more people who thinks n810 is a result of poor marketing, totally wrong user-group -- can now see it is not gone so well with Maemo-phones. Perhaps, I will just install debian straight away :) | 19:40 |
| nidO | "maemo phones"? | 19:40 |
| Arif_ | there's only one moomo phone | 19:40 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: What's the limit though? | 19:40 |
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| javispedro | btw VDVsx did you read that the N900 will not be upgradeable to MeeGo? O.O O.O =) | 19:40 |
| * w00t asassinates javispedro | 19:41 | |
| Arif_ | Good! | 19:41 |
| Arif_ | they should make a Moogo phone with thought out hardware design :P | 19:41 |
| javispedro | you are so easily enraged ;) | 19:41 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, yes, someone called Nokia told that to a blog, it seems | 19:41 |
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| VDVsx | probably Nokia the company can sue that person called Nokia :D | 19:41 |
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| w00t | Arif_: a Moogo phone from Nokla? | 19:41 |
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| Arif_ | doesn't have to be from Nokia | 19:42 |
| * w00t makes wooshing noises | 19:42 | |
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| mgedmin | Jaffa, limit of what? there should be HCI literature about sensible shortening ... my feel is that small oversize (of up to 3 items) ought to be allowed without cutting it off | 19:42 |
| * haltdef shakes w00t | 19:42 | |
| Arif_ | as long as it has good multimedia features =D | 19:42 |
| w00t | halves: :( | 19:42 |
| w00t | .. | 19:42 |
| w00t | haltdef: * | 19:42 |
| javispedro | clearly, this guy called Nokia is a TMO user. | 19:42 |
| mrweasel | hi! does anybody know how to determine the productcode on a n900 ? | 19:42 |
| VDVsx | s/user/troll/ | 19:42 |
| Arif_ | mrweasel, the box? | 19:43 |
| Arif_ | or under the battery | 19:43 |
| mgedmin | mrweasel, control panel -> about device | 19:43 |
| mgedmin | what's the control panel called? ah, "settings..." | 19:43 |
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| mrweasel | i just got a replacement after my usb port broke (waited 5 weeks now) and now i seem to have this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43253 | 19:43 |
| Arif_ | that doesn't show the product code... | 19:44 |
| lcuk | cursed payg topup expiry crapola | 19:44 |
| Arif_ | lol | 19:45 |
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| Arif_ | you should at least top up once a year | 19:45 |
| Arif_ | =D | 19:45 |
| * haltdef pats 3 | 19:45 | |
| FIQ | hm | 19:45 |
| dmj7261 | in maemo 5 is the phone backend available to use? | 19:45 |
| FIQ | just asking a thing | 19:45 |
| haltdef | can get away with topping up £5 every 3 months, get by on non-expiring credit and free stuff you get for just topping up | 19:46 |
| lcuk | i topped up 20 5 weeks ago what more do they want blood? | 19:46 |
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| Arif_ | they want your money | 19:46 |
| ccooke | lcuk: also sweat, tears and your left leg | 19:46 |
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| FIQ | linux system updates generally is as easy as "apt-get update", "apt-get upgrade" for getting the latest bug fixes, etc | 19:46 |
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| lcuk | haltdef unlimited texts and mobile 3g data lol | 19:46 |
| haltdef | overkill for me :p | 19:46 |
| lcuk | ccooke they cant have my finger tho | 19:46 |
| ccooke | well, no. You use that to make *them* money. | 19:47 |
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| haltdef | used about 50MB in 3 months, I get 150MB for 3 months heh | 19:47 |
| lcuk | im too lazy to get out of bed now as well | 19:47 |
| FIQ | i like nokia's OTA update, but i think it's better having small but many updates? | 19:47 |
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| Arif_ | how do you manage that? | 19:47 |
| javispedro | lcuk: they can't have your finger because Nokia legally owns it already? :) | 19:47 |
| nidO | not for nokia's support purposes it isnt | 19:47 |
| lcuk | loljavis | 19:47 |
| FIQ | like, having a patch for a bug fix ready fast instead of waiting for new fw | 19:47 |
| mgedmin | did they give lcuk's new finger a warranty? | 19:47 |
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| Arif_ | I use 50MB in 30 minutes ;( | 19:47 |
| lcuk | mgedmin its been upgraded to qt | 19:48 |
| javispedro | clearly, it's now a QFinger </bad joke> | 19:48 |
| haltdef | only do a bit of rdp, tiny amounts of bandwidth | 19:48 |
| lcuk | haahhaahahahaahahaha | 19:48 |
| Arif_ | haltdef, radio ftw :) | 19:48 |
| dmj7261 | What's the api for controlling the phone? | 19:48 |
| haltdef | usage will probably increase when I get an n900 | 19:49 |
| haltdef | usable youtube and browser :p | 19:49 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: So, show up to 5 or 6; if there are more than that, show three and a "+... more" | 19:49 |
| lcuk | no | 19:49 |
| lcuk | thats horrid to show less | 19:49 |
| lcuk | evily horrid ux | 19:49 |
| FIQ | hm | 19:50 |
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| FIQ | how did i check the recevived and sent data now again? | 19:50 |
| * lcuk curses ui that does that | 19:50 | |
| lcuk | qt lists are the same | 19:50 |
| lcuk | and it drives me mad | 19:50 |
| javispedro | dmj7261: from what I know, there's not an actually "phone api" yet, but a mix of telepathy for handling sms, some d-bus objects for phone calls and pulseaudio for voice | 19:51 |
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| w00t | lcuk: you're still not asleep. | 19:51 |
| w00t | :P | 19:51 |
| lcuk | what do you display when you want a short ... | 19:51 |
| lcuk | no woot i cant send sms so im here | 19:51 |
| javispedro | dmj7261: found the link, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=317522&postcount=6 you might want to search the wifi for some dbus examples | 19:51 |
| dmj7261 | javispedro: I'm looking to make an application that can place phone calls | 19:51 |
| javispedro | s/wiki/wiki | 19:51 |
| FIQ | nice replace | 19:52 |
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| * ccooke spent part of the weekend playing with VPNs on the n900. The openvpn client is surprisingly light on the battery, it seems | 19:52 | |
| Vratha | i have a frakking crappy web server running on mine | 19:53 |
| Vratha | i don't even know why i'd use it, but it's there | 19:53 |
| Arif_ | I have music on mine | 19:53 |
| ccooke | *grin* I also have now given my phone a static IP on my server, forwarded over the VPN :-) | 19:53 |
| Arif_ | ;p | 19:53 |
| luke-jr | ... | 19:54 |
| Vratha | i need to setup vpn | 19:54 |
| ccooke | http://obsidian.earth.gkhs.net/ - There's nothing much there atm, but I'll do something with it later :-) | 19:54 |
| Vratha | been kinda lazy figuring it out | 19:54 |
| javispedro | let's slashdot effect his phone! | 19:54 |
| Vratha | nooooooooooooooooooo | 19:54 |
| luke-jr | javispedro: my thought exactly | 19:54 |
| dmj7261 | I've always wanted my phone slashdotted | 19:54 |
| ccooke | javispedro: reverse proxy should be up sometime tonight ;-) | 19:54 |
| dmj7261 | We should get an n900 slashdotted literally | 19:55 |
| luke-jr | anyone need a VPS btw? :p | 19:55 |
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| Vratha | taking down my phone should be pretty dang easy | 19:55 |
| javispedro | luke-jr: it depends on whether its cheap, has ample bandwidth and won't refuse to host questionable files :) | 19:55 |
| dmj7261 | But what about a cloud of n900s? | 19:55 |
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| luke-jr | javispedro: define questionable | 19:56 |
| FIQ | depends of the price | 19:56 |
| dmj7261 | If you need to ask, the answer must be no | 19:56 |
| Vratha | dmj7261: might help a little | 19:56 |
| luke-jr | http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/?page=vps :p | 19:56 |
| nidO | now thats not bad for small throwaway systems | 19:57 |
| javispedro | yep, not for what I was thinking though | 19:57 |
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| nidO | you pay way over the odds for cpanel licenses though :P | 19:58 |
| luke-jr | nidO: intentionally | 19:58 |
| luke-jr | I don't want to screw w/ cpanel crap | 19:58 |
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| heoa | How can you install GNU Screen and Nmap to your N810? Cannot find them with: "$ apt-get install nmap" and "$ apt-get install screen". | 20:00 |
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| VDVsx | heheh, some maemo.org people are fighting pretty hard these so called maemo/meego experts, lol :P | 20:00 |
| javispedro | fortunately, they don't have to fight the meego "gurus" any more :) | 20:01 |
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| VDVsx | lol | 20:02 |
| Vratha | i'm all for meego, except i much prefer debian package management | 20:02 |
| VDVsx | don't understand these "experts" guys, their website is for sale, so no pub, so no revenue o_0 | 20:03 |
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| ccooke | Ryback_: yeah, that would be nicer... but it should work out fine in the end. | 20:03 |
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| Elvaron | hey folks | 20:05 |
| javispedro | VDVsx: no wonder. | 20:05 |
| Elvaron | i'm getting a "Network Error" when my n900 tries to connect to a custom IM, specifically ICQ. any ideas? or is this the wrong place to ask? | 20:05 |
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| mrweasel | Elvaron: you could try http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=460184&postcount=368 | 20:07 |
| javispedro | the issue here is that most people still don't know what meego is about. | 20:07 |
| Elvaron | after sudo gainroot, right, mrweasel? | 20:07 |
| mrweasel | right | 20:08 |
| ShadowJK | screen and nmap are probably in the extras or extras-devel repository | 20:08 |
| javispedro | i'm under the impression that their definition of meego would be more accurately represented as "meego + the nokia tablet ux + the nokia tablet applications", and AFAIU nobody has even ever talked about that. | 20:08 |
| tybollt | ux= | 20:08 |
| tybollt | Back in the day we called it "UI"... | 20:09 |
| Elvaron | could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open | 20:09 |
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| javispedro | yes well, on IT you need to continuously rename things or you risk consumers becoming bored. | 20:09 |
| javispedro | like IT itself. | 20:09 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: yeah they stick. Dunno if it's a flaw or a feature either :D I mean, that enables you to reuse them. On the other hand, they don't do anything anymore | 20:09 |
| ccooke | javispedro: I haven't seen anything to convince me that *Nokia and Intel* know what meego is going to be, yet... | 20:10 |
| ccooke | (... and nothing to suggest that that's a bad thing, either) | 20:10 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, exactly, afaik meego is only the base system | 20:10 |
| mrweasel | Elvaron: close app manager first | 20:10 |
| Elvaron | oops, sorry, thx | 20:10 |
| javispedro | ccooke: agreed with the later statement. | 20:10 |
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| ccooke | (hmm. It's nice to have the time to be back in here :-) | 20:11 |
| JoshTriplett | Did anyone else have all their appointments shift by an hour when DST happened? | 20:11 |
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| ccooke | JoshTriplett: let you know when it happens over here :-) | 20:12 |
| javispedro | until someone finally "gets" what MeeGo is (and I don't mean I do), both sides in this twitter war are basically spreading... double plus untrue things. | 20:12 |
| JoshTriplett | ccooke: Fair enough. :) | 20:12 |
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| JoshTriplett | In the process of reporting a bug, and/or finding an existing bug to amend. Just wondered if anyone else saw the problem. | 20:12 |
| ccooke | javispedro: Yes, quite. | 20:12 |
| javispedro | JoshTriplett: that would be a "device-wall-stamping" category bug for me. I really hope it doesn't happen. | 20:12 |
| JoshTriplett | javispedro: Yeah, same here. | 20:13 |
| ccooke | People are sometimes too quick to latch on to something - anything - as "yet another example of why everything is shit". Often with a side order of "... and they all have it in for me, personally" | 20:13 |
| Elvaron | do i need to do anything after the two apt-get installs? | 20:13 |
| Elvaron | as in reboot or so? | 20:13 |
| JoshTriplett | javispedro: I had, for instance, a weekly appointment from 3-5 on Tuesday, and now that DST happened, it shows up as 4-6 on Tuesday. Every other appointment on my calendar, in the past and future, shifted the same way. | 20:13 |
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| javispedro | JoshTriplett: were they repeating events? | 20:14 |
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| mrweasel | Elvaron: just reconnect icq | 20:14 |
| JoshTriplett | javispedro: Both repeating and one time events. | 20:14 |
| Elvaron | seems to not work for me, then. will try again after reboot -.- | 20:14 |
| javispedro | JoshTriplett: now you're scaring me :( | 20:14 |
| * javispedro looks up when DST is coming | 20:14 | |
| JoshTriplett | This past weekend, in the US. | 20:14 |
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| Elvaron | still getting the cant connect to one more multiple accounts (translated, no idea what the original error string in english would be :D) | 20:14 |
| Elvaron | *one or more | 20:15 |
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| Elvaron | nvm, rebooted and now it works | 20:15 |
| arachnist | "can't connect to one or more accounts" | 20:15 |
| Elvaron | nice, thanks alot | 20:15 |
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| * javispedro marks march 28th with red ink: "hell will freeze over" | 20:16 | |
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| JoshTriplett | javispedro: Ah. Europe? "Last Sunday in March"? | 20:16 |
| javispedro | yep | 20:16 |
| nidO | luke-jr: there? | 20:16 |
| luke-jr | yes | 20:16 |
| Arif_ | they should get rid of DST... | 20:16 |
| nidO | where exactly's your eu service based and what're the "certain conditions"? | 20:17 |
| Elvaron | btw anyone found out why, when i get a new email and open it directly, i cant delete it? only works if i go to email, inbox, that same email, and then delete | 20:17 |
| JoshTriplett | Arif_: Hear hear. Good luck with that, though. :( | 20:17 |
| Elvaron | the button is simply grayed out | 20:17 |
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| v13 | j #maemo-devel | 20:17 |
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| v13 | oops | 20:17 |
| * Shapeshifter doesn't get why people are so obsessed with profiles | 20:17 | |
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| v13 | profiles ? | 20:18 |
| Shapeshifter | general and silent are perfectly fine for me. I'd never use any other profiles. | 20:18 |
| aspidites | has it been confirmed whether or not a work around has been found for certain headsets not working? (related post: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35161) | 20:18 |
| v13 | >) | 20:18 |
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| javispedro | ooh, "texrat blocked". what does blocked mean in twitter lingo? | 20:18 |
| luke-jr | nidO: basically, I would need time to find a good dedi deal, so it means "unknown setup time; unknown minimum price; unknown location" | 20:18 |
| JoshTriplett | Shapeshifter: Those seem quite sufficient for me too. I do wish I could set different rings for different people, though. | 20:18 |
| aspidites | i've lost my stock headphones, and was considering getting a more advanced model, but wanted to make sure that the above issue was strictly for headsets (has microphone) and not headphones as well | 20:18 |
| aspidites | using n900 | 20:18 |
| nidO | hefty conditions ;) | 20:19 |
| v13 | is it possible to have a pannable gtk.MessageDialog() ? | 20:19 |
| luke-jr | nidO: if you want a 1 GB RAM VPS, I could do that in Germany pretty sure | 20:19 |
| Arif_ | aspidites, tell apple use standards | 20:20 |
| Elvaron | and another thing, when i use the built-in browser, or firefox for that matter, doesnt change, and try to watch a streamed video, it plays poorly, but when i use zoutube its perfectly smooth. maybe they could just allow other pages to be added to zoutube's search method, similar to how you can add search machines to firefox/add catalogues to the app manager? | 20:20 |
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| aspidites | Arif_: I don't have an iphone or any apple products, so how is that advise relevant? | 20:20 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, who did that ? :D | 20:20 |
| aspidites | Arif_: or are you only implying that the issue arises when using apple's headsets? | 20:20 |
| javispedro | VDVsx: our beloved "expert", in his twitter feed | 20:20 |
| Arif_ | no | 20:20 |
| Arif_ | headphone manufacturers like to make products for popular products | 20:20 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, lol, I don't follow him :D | 20:21 |
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| aspidites | Arif_: so apple is popular so everyone is using their standards (or lack there of) thus introducing the incompatibility? | 20:21 |
| javispedro | VDVsx: the RSS app on each and every N900 by default does, as long as he continues to misuse #maemo tag | 20:21 |
| slonopotamus | hmm | 20:21 |
| Arif_ | exactly | 20:21 |
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| slonopotamus | what's the latest fremantle version? | 20:21 |
| slonopotamus | as in X.20XX.XX-X | 20:22 |
| javispedro | release? 3.something | 20:22 |
| javispedro | *released | 20:22 |
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| Arif_ | 3.2010 02 08 | 20:22 |
| aspidites | Arif_: I see. so for an immediate solution i need to purchase nokia branded headset/phones, or is there a way to know how they are wired up BEFORE i purchase? | 20:22 |
| slonopotamus | Arif_, k | 20:22 |
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| aspidites | Arif_: I don't plan to see any "great for Nokia N900" stickers any time soon :P | 20:22 |
| Arif_ | I don't know how you can find out how they're wired | 20:22 |
| Arif_ | but if its compatible with eyephones it probalby won't work on the N900 | 20:23 |
| v13 | w/o using a knife of course :) | 20:23 |
| aspidites | Arif_: I was afraid of that. I'll just have to go to a local electronic store and do trial and error. thanks. | 20:23 |
| jX | the n900 uses a "standard" 4 conductor jack | 20:23 |
| JoshTriplett | Arif_: "eyephones" sound fun. :) | 20:23 |
| nidO | luke-jr - I could mostly use a small throwaway 256+256 vps or two ideally in london but outside of 3 specific dc's, but the us will do almost as well - gotta dash out, but will probably be in touch later | 20:23 |
| jX | so any stereo w/mic headset should work | 20:23 |
| JoshTriplett | nidO: hang on. | 20:23 |
| aspidites | jX: as long as it doesn't say "for iphone/pod ? :) | 20:23 |
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| jX | even if it does | 20:24 |
| zaheerm | Elvaron, an improved zoutube is cxoming, the blocker awaiting a new name that doesn't include most of google's video service in its name :) | 20:24 |
| JoshTriplett | nidO: What do you need, exactly? I can make a good recommendation. | 20:24 |
| JoshTriplett | nidO: The usual VPS services, decent price, good service, etc? | 20:24 |
| aspidites | jX: thanks, I'll shop around then | 20:24 |
| jX | also, bluetooth! | 20:24 |
| luke-jr | JoshTriplett: <.< | 20:24 |
| Arif_ | eyephone's mic and sound pins are switched | 20:24 |
| Arif_ | so the mic won't work :P | 20:24 |
| jX | ORLY? Typical apple. | 20:24 |
| Arif_ | and you'll hear hissing sounds | 20:25 |
| Arif_ | :D | 20:25 |
| jX | "Hey, let's make this trivially different for no good reason other than to fuck with people." | 20:25 |
| Elvaron | aspidites: are you talking headset, so mic included, or only earphones? | 20:25 |
| JoshTriplett | luke-jr: I don't have enough scrollback for context. :) | 20:25 |
| JoshTriplett | luke-jr: I just saw a mention of the need for a VPS. | 20:25 |
| Elvaron | cause i've been using my zune things without any problems | 20:25 |
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| luke-jr | JoshTriplett: context: my VPS sale :P | 20:25 |
| JoshTriplett | luke-jr: Ah. :) | 20:25 |
| nidO | JoshTriplett all I was after was a supercheap vps with a half decent pipe for some script development, I work for a fairly large uk shared/vps host myself so dont have much need for proper systems ;) | 20:25 |
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| jX | nidO: how cheap? | 20:26 |
| JoshTriplett | nidO: I use gandi.net, personally. They have unmetered bandwidth; 5Mbps unmetered per share. | 20:26 |
| nidO | luke-jr comes in at £7 a month for my needs | 20:26 |
| JoshTriplett | nidO: And they have a great FOSS discount. | 20:26 |
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| JoshTriplett | nidO: I pay $7.50/month per share. | 20:26 |
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| aspidites | Elvaron: I'd want to go headset with mic, but if i must go earphone only to be safe i will | 20:26 |
| JoshTriplett | nidO: I'll guess that "?" meant "Euro"? | 20:26 |
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| Elvaron | zaheerm, thx, good to know | 20:27 |
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| luke-jr | JoshTriplett: GBP | 20:27 |
| aspidites | though, as i understand it, the problem ONLY arises with headsets? | 20:27 |
| JoshTriplett | nidO: OK. Either way bigger than $, yes? :) | 20:27 |
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| Elvaron | well for headset i'm using a nokia bluetooth headset in my car | 20:27 |
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| luke-jr | JoshTriplett: $9 equivalent | 20:27 |
| Elvaron | so no problems there, cause no cable | 20:27 |
| JoshTriplett | luke-jr: Ah. Sounds pretty reasonable; what kind of services do you offer? | 20:27 |
| JoshTriplett | luke-jr: Or, rather, what does a $9 share buy? :) | 20:28 |
| * Arif_ has klipsch S4s | 20:28 | |
| luke-jr | JoshTriplett: $9/mo is 128 MB RAM (256 MB burst), 8 GB disk, 64 GB xfer + OpenVZ + IPv4 | 20:28 |
| * ccooke recently switched from VPS servers to dedicated hardware | 20:28 | |
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| ccooke | (two VMs down to one dedicated box) | 20:28 |
| nidO | heh our vm's mostly see people going the other way ;) | 20:29 |
| luke-jr | (base price there being $5/mo for just the shell over IPv6) | 20:29 |
| JoshTriplett | luke-jr: Ah. In my case, $7.50/mo is 256MB RAM, 8GB disk, 5Mbps unmetered. | 20:29 |
| * Arif_ has a dedicated server thats running out soon | 20:29 | |
| JoshTriplett | luke-jr: (Just multiplied that out: 1567 GB xfer :) | 20:29 |
| luke-jr | JoshTriplett: unmetered != dedicated | 20:30 |
| Elvaron | interesting, python-scapy installer is broken? | 20:30 |
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| ccooke | nidO: hetzner.de are insanely cheap... €49 per month for a dedicated box. 2G RAM, dual core 64-bit athlon, 2TB of bandwidth per month (and if you go over 2TB, they only limit you to 10Mbit until you agree to pay for more) | 20:30 |
| JoshTriplett | luke-jr: I can saturate it 24 hours a day, and on one of those servers I do. :) | 20:30 |
| luke-jr | ccooke: doesn't sound that cheap :p | 20:30 |
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| Arif_ | ovh sounds cheaper to me... | 20:31 |
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| ccooke | ... and some month when I have €200 spare, I can upgrade to a quad Core i7 920 box with 8G of RAM. (which is also €49/month, but has a €149 setup fee) | 20:31 |
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| luke-jr | O.O | 20:31 |
| nidO | yeah ccooke I got no need for anything at that kind of price as I can just comandeer one of work's many systems if needs must, just after a supercheap system to do script work on seperate from work | 20:32 |
| luke-jr | that one sounds like a good deal | 20:32 |
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| ccooke | luke-jr: it's cheaper than the two decently specced VMs I used to use and *much* more powerful... | 20:32 |
| ccooke | and some point when I have the justification, I can just do the upgrade | 20:32 |
| JoshTriplett | ccooke: I don't suppose they have any datacenters in the US? ;) | 20:32 |
| ccooke | JoshTriplett: nope :-) | 20:32 |
| ccooke | and if they did, I doubt they'd be that cheap | 20:32 |
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| nidO | I dont see why not, US colocation prices are lower than just about anywhere in europe | 20:33 |
| JoshTriplett | ccooke: Oh well. I like gandi, but the 200ms latency from here to Europe hurts. :) | 20:33 |
| JoshTriplett | nidO: Yeah, but bandwidth sucks. | 20:33 |
| JoshTriplett | nidO: Good luck getting unmetered bandwidth here for any reasonable price. | 20:33 |
| nidO | I would say cogent, but then i'd have to laugh at myself. :< | 20:34 |
| Arif_ | you can get unmeterd for 20€ a month | 20:34 |
| Arif_ | but the hardware is terrible :D | 20:34 |
| JoshTriplett | Arif_: And 20€ per month sounds like a lot more than I currently pay. :) | 20:34 |
| ccooke | JoshTriplett: Out of interest, what *is* your latency to... say granite.earth.gkhs.net ? | 20:34 |
| JoshTriplett | ccooke: From here in US/Pacific or from my VPS in France? | 20:35 |
| Arif_ | I got mine for free | 20:35 |
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| ccooke | JoshTriplett: from US/Pacific, I guess | 20:35 |
| JoshTriplett | ~185ms | 20:35 |
| ccooke | one of my VMs was in the US, and I swaer I didn't get that terrible latency there | 20:35 |
| ccooke | but I forget where in the US it was, of course | 20:35 |
| luke-jr | my CT dedi has awesome latency to Europe | 20:36 |
| luke-jr | usually under 100ms | 20:36 |
| JoshTriplett | ccooke: On the other hand, ~15ms from my server at gandi. :) | 20:36 |
| JoshTriplett | luke-jr: East coast, makes sense. | 20:36 |
| luke-jr | 100ms avg to granite.earth.gkhs.net | 20:36 |
| ccooke | JoshTriplett: yeah, that's not too great. I'm usually running at ~22ms from here to there. Which isn't bad, considering it's a couple of countries away from me :-) | 20:36 |
| ccooke | (er. From me (London) to granite (germany)) | 20:37 |
| JoshTriplett | ccooke: If you want to ping from your location, try joshtriplett.org or serialist.net, both hosted in the same gandi datacenter. | 20:37 |
| * SpeedEvil sees 80ms to there. From sunny scotland. | 20:37 | |
| javispedro | lol, the meego dot org guys do know what they're doing | 20:38 |
| ccooke | JoshTriplett: from work (in London) I'm getting ~19ms to joshtriplett.org :-) | 20:38 |
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| javispedro | (note that it's not meego.com) | 20:38 |
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| ccooke | ow! and ~15ms from granite in germany | 20:38 |
| JoshTriplett | ccooke: Consistency, yay. :) | 20:39 |
| JoshTriplett | ccooke: (Also: "I ping London, I ping France...") | 20:39 |
| ccooke | *laugh* | 20:39 |
| Shapeshifter | repos down again? | 20:39 |
| ccooke | hetzner and gandi must be pretty well connected, then | 20:39 |
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| ccooke | Impressive. | 20:39 |
| * Arif_ just got shitload of bugzilla mail | 20:40 | |
| Arif_ | :D | 20:40 |
| JoshTriplett | ccooke: http://www.gandi.net/hosting/vps/network if that helps. | 20:40 |
| JoshTriplett | nidO: Anyway, didn't mean to derail the discussion that much. Just wanted to toss out a suggestion for a good provider. I like them. | 20:41 |
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| nidO | yeah ta, just after whatever's cheap essentially ;) | 20:41 |
| JoshTriplett | luke-jr: How does one have burstable RAM, by the way? | 20:42 |
| JoshTriplett | luke-jr: I can understand burstable bandwidth, since you can always throttle it down. | 20:42 |
| JoshTriplett | luke-jr: What do you do if you have to un-burst RAM? Swap it out? ;) | 20:42 |
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| luke-jr | JoshTriplett: pretty much, yeah | 20:42 |
| openstandards | did anyone see issue 84 of linuxuser & developer? :) | 20:42 |
| JoshTriplett | luke-jr: One of the reasons I like Xen, at least until KVM VPSes take off - you can't oversell RAM with Xen. :) | 20:43 |
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| luke-jr | JoshTriplett: basically, you have guaranteed RAM, and then you have RAM you're allowed to allocate :P | 20:43 |
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| JoshTriplett | luke-jr: Funny. | 20:43 |
| luke-jr | useful for compiling stuff | 20:43 |
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| JoshTriplett | luke-jr: I guess. I like my 256MB of dedicated RAM. :) | 20:44 |
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| ccooke | JoshTriplett: Pretty good pricing model. I think I'll recommend that to a few people | 20:44 |
| * Shapeshifter likes his free server at the uni. | 20:45 | |
| JoshTriplett | luke-jr: And I could always use gandi's hourly shares to bump it to a few GB for an hour if I needed to compile something. ;) | 20:45 |
| Shapeshifter | even if the only thing I run it for is irssi. | 20:45 |
| JoshTriplett | ccooke: I like it a lot. Their normal prices seem great, and they have incredibly good FOSS discounts I pay $7.50/mo instead of the usual $16 (or $14 if you pay annually). | 20:45 |
| Shapeshifter | thumbs up for wasting energy. :| | 20:45 |
| JoshTriplett | ccooke: That last sentence no punctuation, sorry. ;) | 20:46 |
| ccooke | JoshTriplett: doesn't make sense for me - especially since I can do the huge upgrade anytime I need. I do too much stuff on it, basically | 20:46 |
| ccooke | JoshTriplett: but I know people who would love it | 20:46 |
| JoshTriplett | ccooke: What do you mean by "huge upgrade"? | 20:46 |
| JoshTriplett | ccooke: Oh, the dedicated i7 box? | 20:46 |
| ccooke | JoshTriplett: yes. | 20:46 |
| Shapeshifter | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=568053#post568053 people have problems ... | 20:46 |
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| ccooke | JoshTriplett: Technically it'd mean getting the two, then transferring across while having them both running for a month, but... | 20:47 |
| JoshTriplett | ccooke: Worth it. | 20:47 |
| JoshTriplett | ccooke: Sounds like a steal. | 20:47 |
| ccooke | JoshTriplett: hell, yes. Especially since I can probably persuede someone else to pay for it - I run a few websites on there :-) | 20:48 |
| JoshTriplett | ccooke: Heh. | 20:48 |
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| JoshTriplett | ccooke: I just host my personal IMAP/HTTP/Jabber/backup server on it. | 20:49 |
| JoshTriplett | ccooke: (And a separate server for a project I've started.) | 20:49 |
| luke-jr | JoshTriplett: you just hit the exact reason I even operate a hosting biz <.< | 20:49 |
| JoshTriplett | luke-jr: :) | 20:49 |
| JoshTriplett | luke-jr: Share the cost of a dedicated server? | 20:49 |
| luke-jr | reduce the cost of my own VPS | 20:49 |
| luke-jr | :p | 20:49 |
| JoshTriplett | luke-jr: Sounds kinda like http://kvm-hosting.org/ | 20:50 |
| JoshTriplett | One-off VPS between friends. | 20:50 |
| ccooke | JoshTriplett: Actually, one big thing that is really hard on VMs is being a VPN endpoint. How's gandi for that? | 20:51 |
| JoshTriplett | ccooke: I can't think of any reason it wouldn't work; why? | 20:51 |
| ccooke | JoshTriplett: (most of them have crippled kernels with poor iptables support or no tun device) | 20:51 |
| openstandards | why does the calendar support suck so much on the n900.... | 20:51 |
| JoshTriplett | ccooke: *Ah*. | 20:51 |
| JoshTriplett | ccooke: One moment. | 20:51 |
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| ccooke | JoshTriplett: basically, if you can supply your own kernel all is well. If you can't and it has full support... well, okay. Otherwise, doom. | 20:52 |
| JoshTriplett | ccooke: You can't supply your own kernel, but theirs has /dev/net/tun and iptables, and it has module support. :) | 20:53 |
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| ccooke | JoshTriplett: not bad. Might grab a cheap one as a backup endpoint sometime, then | 20:54 |
| FIQ | i really thinks on changing browser to fennec or something | 20:54 |
| JoshTriplett | ccooke: They refund your first month automatically, so you could try it for a month. :) | 20:54 |
| FIQ | i just can't stand that the default is so instable | 20:55 |
| ccooke | FIQ: Oh? | 20:55 |
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| JoshTriplett | FIQ: True, but Fennec doesn't do rotation or mouse-cursor mode. | 20:55 |
| JoshTriplett | FIQ: All of them have some limitations; I use both. | 20:55 |
| FIQ | rotation? | 20:56 |
| FIQ | you mean, landscape to portraitä | 20:56 |
| FIQ | ?* | 20:56 |
| JoshTriplett | FIQ: Yeah. | 20:56 |
| JoshTriplett | FIQ: Fennec can't do portrait. | 20:56 |
| JoshTriplett | FIQ: The built-in browser can. | 20:56 |
| FIQ | i never use portrait anyway except for the dial. :) | 20:56 |
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| ccooke | I found fennec a little too slow to be useful, still. Definitely getting there, though | 20:57 |
| FIQ | midori is interesting, but too slow and laggy | 20:57 |
| FIQ | compiling opera for arm would made my day. :D | 20:58 |
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| Elvaron | anyone tried out the jagged alliance 2 port on n900? | 20:59 |
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| heoa | How can I stop SSHD? Why does the command "$ /usr/sbin/sshd stop" give "Extra argument stop."? | 21:09 |
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| heoa | perhaps I will just use kill | 21:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | heoa, upstart | 21:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | "stop sshd" | 21:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | as root | 21:10 |
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| heoa | GeneralAntilles: "$ upstart" not found, "stop sshd" stop: not found | 21:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Are you root? :) | 21:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | and this is on an N900, right? | 21:14 |
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| heoa | GeneralAntilles: no, N810 | 21:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, well, then it's not upstart | 21:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | In which case you want "/etc/init.d/sshd stop" | 21:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | heoa, just, fyi, the assumption these days is that most people requesting support are using Maemo 5, so it pays to specify if you're not. ;) | 21:16 |
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| vasilis | http://vasilisgreece.blogspot.com/ | 21:25 |
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| slonopotamus | wtf happenned to xchat in fremantle? | 21:29 |
| slonopotamus | this font destroys my eyes :( | 21:29 |
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| slonopotamus | ... | 21:30 |
| slonopotamus | how i fix fonts in fremantle xchat? | 21:31 |
| andre__ | why are they borken? | 21:31 |
| slonopotamus | and why repository.maemo.org so slow? | 21:31 |
| slonopotamus | andre__: err... wanna screenshot of this crap? | 21:32 |
| slonopotamus | ctrl+what? | 21:32 |
| andre__ | shift to the p? | 21:33 |
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| Elvaron | huh... i got jagged alliance 2 to use /home/user/MyDocs/games/ja2 as data_dir, but now i get Home directory /home/user not ours. (twice) ERROR: caught unhandled exception: Opening file failed wtf? | 21:34 |
| Elvaron | oh maybe root is the problem | 21:34 |
| Elvaron | na, still crashs | 21:35 |
| heoa | GeneralAntilles: thank you. | 21:35 |
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| slonopotamus | andre__: http://slonopotamus.org/Screenshot-20100315-223359.png | 21:36 |
| slonopotamus | W: Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz Hash Sum mismatch | 21:37 |
| andre__ | slonopotamus, not happening here. check your settings in xchat? | 21:37 |
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| heoa | N810: how can you get adduser-command? | 21:37 |
| slonopotamus | andre__: everything default. i just got fully reflashed n900 from repair service | 21:38 |
| slonopotamus | from settings: font - MHeiGB18030C-Medium Light 14 | 21:38 |
| heoa | I don't want to allow Root-access via SSHD, so I need another user | 21:38 |
| slonopotamus | o_O | 21:38 |
| slonopotamus | andre__: what font do you have? | 21:38 |
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| slonopotamus | and how i move channel list to the left | 21:39 |
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| slonopotamus | k, channel list moved | 21:41 |
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| Shrik3 | http://asia.cnet.com/crave/2010/03/15/nokia-n900-not-upgradeable-to-meego/ | 21:41 |
| slonopotamus | now this crappy font... | 21:41 |
| Shrik3 | sooo... | 21:41 |
| * noobmonk3y waves | 21:41 | |
| slonopotamus | Shrik3: Of course it isn't | 21:41 |
| Shrik3 | so nokia gives N900 users the finger and everyone is happy? | 21:42 |
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| * noobmonk3y licks the finger..... oooo | 21:42 | |
| ml-mobile | that post is completely unsubstantiated | 21:42 |
| andre__ | slonopotamus, Nokia Sans 11 here | 21:42 |
| ml-mobile | no reference, no credibility | 21:42 |
| Vratha | also. the meego guys said the n900 is the ref platform and it's a joint partnership between intel and nokia | 21:43 |
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| Vratha | wouldn't worr about it | 21:43 |
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| ShadowJK | "a" ref platform, not "the" | 21:43 |
| slonopotamus | ... | 21:43 |
| Vratha | no real difference when it comes to support | 21:44 |
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| Vratha | as long as the n900 is targeted | 21:44 |
| ShadowJK | as far as support goes, even if meego works on N900 doesn't mean Nokia will put meego on N900 | 21:44 |
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| slonopotamus | okaaay | 21:44 |
| noobmonk3y | nope but being open source, as long as the hardware matches, i bet it wont take long to get it onto the N900 :D | 21:45 |
| ShadowJK | right | 21:45 |
| slonopotamus | andre__: 11 is too small. i can use only 14 | 21:45 |
| * ShadowJK uses 10 | 21:45 | |
| Vratha | i don't ask nokia for anything more than hw support anyway. their sw support isn't the greatest as it stands | 21:46 |
| ShadowJK | or whatever the smallest in xterm is :D | 21:46 |
| slonopotamus | ShadowJK: that destroyes poor eyes | 21:46 |
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| slonopotamus | how i change font size in xchat channel list? | 21:47 |
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| Vratha | irssi all the way for me on the n900! | 21:47 |
| ShadowJK | it requires a restart of xchat i think | 21:48 |
| Vratha | can't get enough irssi when i'm on irc | 21:48 |
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| slonopotamus | meh | 21:50 |
| slonopotamus | channel list font is too small | 21:50 |
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| Vratha | you may like irssi more | 21:50 |
| Vratha | if you're more into using the keyboard for navigation | 21:51 |
| slonopotamus | Shrik3: 'maemo not upgradeable to meego' != 'no meego for n900 ever' | 21:53 |
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| noobmonk3y | no it doesnt | 21:53 |
| noobmonk3y | just means you cant upgrade ota | 21:53 |
| Elvaron | hmm anyone got an idea why i'm getting a Failed to open file error with the jagged alliance 2 game on n900? i'd ask in the specific forum thread but it tells me i dont have the privileges needed (for whatever reason o_O) | 21:53 |
| noobmonk3y | if the hardware on the n900 can match | 21:53 |
| Shrik3 | of course The Community will port meego for n900 | 21:53 |
| noobmonk3y | it will be fine | 21:53 |
| Shrik3 | and the two overworked coders Nokia will assign to the project part-time | 21:53 |
| noobmonk3y | means you will need to flash it to meego...... | 21:53 |
| slonopotamus | Shrik3: maemo isn't upgradeable to mer. though you _can_ have mer on nits. | 21:54 |
| noobmonk3y | saying maemo is not upgradable to meego is just like saying vista is not upgradable t owindows 7 - but you can install windows 7 on a clean install :) | 21:54 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol | 21:54 |
| slonopotamus | noobmonk3y: vista isn't? why? | 21:55 |
| noobmonk3y | lol just an example :D | 21:55 |
| noobmonk3y | ok, use windows 95 -> windows 7 as an example :D | 21:55 |
| slonopotamus | i thought you can take windows 95 and upgrade it all eay up to windows 7 | 21:55 |
| noobmonk3y | meh but you get my jyst lol | 21:55 |
| slonopotamus | s/eay/way/ | 21:56 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: i thought you can take windows 95 and upgrade it all way up to windows 7 | 21:56 |
| noobmonk3y | ok... it's like saying ubuntu is not upgradable to windows 7....... (Still a different OS!) | 21:56 |
| noobmonk3y | lol! | 21:56 |
| noobmonk3y | infobot wants my babies tonight...... | 21:56 |
| slonopotamus | noobmonk3y: it is a downgrade :P | 21:56 |
| noobmonk3y | lol ;) | 21:56 |
| tybollt | hmm | 21:56 |
| noobmonk3y | ok, scrap that its like windows 7 -> windows 3.11? | 21:56 |
| tybollt | what an outrage! | 21:57 |
| Vratha | i'd take window 7 over ubuntu | 21:57 |
| tybollt | infobot to give birth to noobmonkeys babies! | 21:57 |
| Vratha | windows* | 21:57 |
| slonopotamus | tybollt: did you break extras-devel? | 21:57 |
| noobmonk3y | tybollt - how long to irc bots take? still 9 months? | 21:57 |
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| slonopotamus | ~poke tybollt | 21:57 |
| * infobot cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind tybollt, pokes tybollt repeatedly, hilarity ensues. | 21:57 | |
| tybollt | slonopotamus: ugh, no I didn't? | 21:57 |
| tybollt | what the hell happened? | 21:57 |
| * tybollt is at work... | 21:58 | |
| * noobmonk3y thinks the poking is going to end in tears | 21:58 | |
| slonopotamus | who stole the cookie from the cookie jar? err... wrong msg. who broke extras-devel? and who's fixing it? | 21:58 |
| heoa | Shrik3: don't be to pessimistic yet. N900 may be the last really Open phone | 21:59 |
| tybollt | slonopotamus: seriiously, what's up? | 21:59 |
| slonopotamus | heoa: n900 ain't open | 21:59 |
| luke-jr | heoa: N900 isn't open | 21:59 |
| slonopotamus | tybollt: checksum mismatch while downloading Packages.gz | 21:59 |
| heoa | slonopotamus: luke-jr asked a dev and they called it "open" and sensed that there is worries to make things less open because of problems to monetise maemo | 22:00 |
| tybollt | slonopotamus: ugh - better speak to the peeps in charge then. | 22:00 |
| luke-jr | heoa: false advertising | 22:00 |
| tybollt | :S | 22:01 |
| kynky | n900 seems more open than most other phones | 22:01 |
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| wazd | kynky: freerunner is more open | 22:01 |
| slonopotamus | nokians have special (read: marketing crap) definitions of commonly used terms | 22:01 |
| heoa | luke-jr: perhaps but it is a real worry that things get more closed again, see how Android code gone fram Linux kernel | 22:01 |
| luke-jr | heoa: that's because nobody (developers) cares about Android | 22:02 |
| ml-mobile | freerunner is more open, it also sucks :P | 22:02 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: actually it's more closed (feature-wise) than n8x0. | 22:02 |
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| luke-jr | slonopotamus: I care only about essentials, not shipped software. | 22:02 |
| slonopotamus | ml-mobile: n900 also sucks. battery life is crap, usb connector issue is insane | 22:02 |
| ml-mobile | battery life is low if you, you know, use it heavily | 22:03 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: no open telephony for n900. | 22:03 |
| luke-jr | I hear Freerunner has a (community-made) update that makes it usable. | 22:03 |
| slonopotamus | ml-mobile: battery life is lower than n800 under same usage. | 22:03 |
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| ShadowJK | slonopotamus, cellular radio off? | 22:04 |
| luke-jr | compare to Nokia where community *can't* do such things because the drivers are closed | 22:04 |
| ml-mobile | the cpu is also much weaker | 22:04 |
| ShadowJK | even with it on, N900 seems to use less power for me in similar use as browsing on my N810... and N900 has about twice the CPU speed of N8x0.. | 22:04 |
| heoa | luke-jr: slonopotamus is N900 more open than n810 or vice versa? | 22:04 |
| kynky | meego looks intresting | 22:04 |
| ml-mobile | freerunner's problem is the hardware sucks | 22:05 |
| kynky | n8x0 didnt have closed telephony | 22:05 |
| heoa | kynky: sounds marketing to me, always suppose the worst :) | 22:05 |
| luke-jr | heoa: I'd say N900 beats N810 on drivers | 22:05 |
| SpeedEvil | kynky: yes, it did. | 22:05 |
| luke-jr | heoa: maybe | 22:05 |
| slonopotamus | heoa: you can use higher % of features on n8x0 using opensource stuff than on n900. | 22:05 |
| luke-jr | kynky: N8x0 didn't have telephony period | 22:05 |
| SpeedEvil | kynky: the interface for the GSM module still hasn't been released. | 22:05 |
| * noobmonk3y prods lcuk | 22:05 | |
| * lcuk prods noobmonk3y back from his slumber | 22:06 | |
| noobmonk3y | lol.... asleep at the pc again ? | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: ofono has a semi decent isimodem | 22:06 |
| ml-mobile | I thought Jebba got ofono to make a call in redhat | 22:06 |
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| ShadowJK | i think it was on fedora? | 22:07 |
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| keesj | scp upload to extras broken? | 22:07 |
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| slonopotamus | heoa: n8x0 has closed battery, gps, wifi and sound. n900 also has closed telephony. | 22:07 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y, more like cant sleep still | 22:07 |
| kynky | for me n900 seemed most linuxy of all the phones whilst providing a deccent featureset | 22:07 |
| noobmonk3y | :( thats pants :( | 22:07 |
| ShadowJK | slonopotamus, there's opensource wifi driver for n8x0 | 22:07 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk, python query for ya...... (Might put you to sleep) | 22:07 |
| ShadowJK | not that anybody seems to care.. | 22:07 |
| slonopotamus | ShadowJK: not firmware, | 22:07 |
| ShadowJK | well that's true for most wifi :) | 22:08 |
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| luke-jr | slonopotamus: N8x0 has open wifi | 22:08 |
| noobmonk3y | healthcheck has dependencies that are in extras devel i think, and crappy un-optified nokia ones...... whats the chances of any of that improving (allthough, doesnt seem to have had any issues in testing) | 22:08 |
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| slonopotamus | luke-jr: firmware. | 22:08 |
| heoa | slonopotamus: what does "closed" mean? obfuscated code, binary code, no source or something else? | 22:08 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y, which dependencies | 22:08 |
| heoa | slonopotamus: no manual? | 22:08 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: firmware isn't software. | 22:08 |
| slonopotamus | heoa: no source. | 22:08 |
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| luke-jr | heoa: no source | 22:08 |
| luke-jr | no specs | 22:09 |
| luke-jr | etc | 22:09 |
| heoa | slonopotamus: any API? | 22:09 |
| luke-jr | API is irrelevant | 22:09 |
| slonopotamus | heoa: just blobs. | 22:09 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk : not sure which ones are which, was just a comment earlier - all installed are : python2.5, python2.5-qt4-gui, python2.5-qt4-core, python-dbus, python2.5-gtk2, python-location, gstreamer-tools | 22:09 |
| noobmonk3y | i'm assumping the qt ones are unoptified? | 22:09 |
| noobmonk3y | pretty sure gstreamer is in dev with python location? | 22:09 |
| lcuk | the qt ones arent in extras yet are they? | 22:10 |
| ptl | Did you guys test the hack which gives you 9 desktops instead of the regular 4? | 22:10 |
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| noobmonk3y | erm, isnt 4.6 i dont think | 22:10 |
| noobmonk3y | still using the old ones, but no-ones complained in testing? | 22:10 |
| slonopotamus | ptl: i use only 2 :/ | 22:10 |
| lcuk | ptl, only 9? | 22:10 |
| lcuk | i want over 9000 | 22:11 |
| noobmonk3y | lol lcuk - and ptl, no not yet, 4 is enough for me ;) | 22:11 |
| noobmonk3y | the never ending desktop could be entertaining | 22:11 |
| lcuk | i wouldnt mind the menus being turned into a desktop and each app too | 22:11 |
| ptl | it seems the 9 are in all directions, not only horizontal | 22:11 |
| lcuk | so starting an app would just be added as another desk | 22:11 |
| ShadowJK | I don't really use the desktops | 22:11 |
| lcuk | so you can pan through everything (and still have dashboard | 22:12 |
| * slonopotamus kicks zyb.com again | 22:12 | |
| lcuk | but dashboard should show desks too | 22:12 |
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| ptl | yes | 22:12 |
| ptl | you mean like a pager? | 22:12 |
| lcuk | dunno what a pager would look like | 22:12 |
| noobmonk3y | brb | 22:12 |
| slonopotamus | Jaffa: ping. extras-devel is broken :( | 22:12 |
| ptl | is it? | 22:13 |
| ptl | PR 1.2 is not out yet!!! It was meant to be out last month :-/ | 22:13 |
| andre__ | ptl: please provide a source that stated that PR1.2 was meant to be out last month. | 22:14 |
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| kynky | twitter ? | 22:14 |
| TomaszD | yeah, ptl, go on. | 22:15 |
| Elvaron | dammit, why cant i get jagged alliance 2 working -.- | 22:15 |
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| lcuk | noobmonk3y, in python what would be the simplest qt app to display a dialog box be | 22:17 |
| lcuk | just something to select from 3 options "noobmonkey is: ( ) cool ( ) ok ( ) meh [Accept]" | 22:18 |
| lcuk | could you pastebin a quick file with that in? :$ | 22:19 |
| lcuk | when you get back of course | 22:19 |
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| ptl | andre__: that was a red herring, just to see if anyone involved on it would respond :P | 22:20 |
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| ptl | anyway I think I read it somewhere, but it was of course not authoritative | 22:21 |
| cedar | anyone know how to get a signal strength reading from a 3g card? in linux (specifically maemo) | 22:21 |
| * noobmonk3y is back | 22:21 | |
| ShadowJK | cedar, what device? | 22:22 |
| andre__ | ptl: Nokia never announces dates in advance (which is of course only half of the truth as we were promised portrait browsing for christmas. that was a broken promise) | 22:22 |
| SpeedEvil | cedar: what device? | 22:22 |
| SpeedEvil | cedar: That would be an ecumenical matter. | 22:22 |
| SpeedEvil | cedar: Err - I mean - vary depending on the hardware. | 22:22 |
| SpeedEvil | cedar: on n900 - you get dbus events on the current signal strenght | 22:22 |
| cedar | well I've got a Merlin ex720 | 22:23 |
| cedar | its from sprint | 22:23 |
| noobmonk3y | ooo lcuck will just code 1 up for ya | 22:23 |
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| thp | can someone post a working link for the flasher? tablets-dev.nokia.com does not like me atm | 22:23 |
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| slonopotamus | hmm... it's either placebo effect, or my new n900 internals work faster than before | 22:23 |
| noobmonk3y | afert i randomly disconnect lol | 22:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | signal sender=:1.17 -> dest=(null destination) serial=8797 path=/com/nokia/phone/net; interface=Phone.Net; member=signal_strength_change | 22:23 |
| cedar | @SpeedEvil i've got it hooked up to a n810 | 22:23 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 22:23 |
| lcuk | thanks noobmonk3y | 22:23 |
| SpeedEvil | cedar: google for at* commands for it? | 22:24 |
| SpeedEvil | slonopotamus: internals? | 22:24 |
| cedar | @SpeedEvil ok thanks i'll see what that turns up | 22:24 |
| slonopotamus | SpeedEvil: it was at repair service and they replaced whole motherboard | 22:24 |
| ptl | cedar: dbus-send --print-reply --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.phone.net /com/nokia/phone/net Phone.Net.get_signal_strength | 22:24 |
| ptl | cedar: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37945 | 22:24 |
| lcuk | andre__, theres a bug list query posted on tmo at the moment offering lots of pr1.2 resolveds, thats a nice large number of fixes | 22:25 |
| * SpeedEvil wants scrap motherboards. | 22:25 | |
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| ptl | lcuk: yes, that's why I want PR1.2 so badly | 22:25 |
| lcuk | ptl :) | 22:25 |
| w00t | lcuk: so much for that snooze, eh? | 22:25 |
| cedar | @ptl thanks, but I don't think that will work on diablo..i'm running a n810 | 22:26 |
| frals | gah wheres vdvsx when you need him | 22:26 |
| lcuk | yeah w00t | 22:26 |
| lcuk | btw w00t if i do go to sleep talk with noobmonk3y, hes randomly making me a tiny pyqt dialog box with some options | 22:26 |
| w00t | lcuk: lol :) | 22:26 |
| ptl | cedar: oh... ok | 22:26 |
| noobmonk3y | whilst getting changed lol be 2 mins | 22:26 |
| pupnik_ | anyone here going to be near darmstadt / frankfurt in april? | 22:27 |
| w00t | noobmonk3y: good to hear we've another (py)qt fellow amongst us | 22:27 |
| andre__ | lcuk, URL? | 22:27 |
| ptl | pyqt or pyside? | 22:27 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=568334&postcount=253 | 22:27 |
| godrik | w00t: gtk is so much better </joke> | 22:27 |
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| w00t | ptl: for most intents and purposes, the two are equivilent | 22:27 |
| * lcuk is surprised by qt bringing in gtk | 22:27 | |
| * lcuk laughs everytime he sees that | 22:28 | |
| ptl | bringing in gtk? | 22:28 |
| w00t | lcuk: why? it *does* try get as close to native rendering as possible ;) | 22:28 |
| ptl | what do you mean? | 22:28 |
| andre__ | thanks | 22:28 |
| w00t | ptl: qt (on maemo, and other platforms as required) uses gtk to render widgets, because that is the native style | 22:28 |
| lcuk | can i run qt "natively" | 22:29 |
| keesj | w00t: I believe that is false. | 22:29 |
| ptl | w00t: duh! really? o0 that is bad, isn't it? memory wasted on the same thing twice | 22:29 |
| w00t | keesj: it isn't | 22:29 |
| w00t | lcuk: mm, there is probably a fallback style, i've never looked into it | 22:29 |
| keesj | it's true for wxwidgets | 22:29 |
| w00t | keesj: look into the QMaemo5Style code (and other styles), it's how it works | 22:30 |
| w00t | it doesn't use native platform event loop and other crap like wxwidgets | 22:30 |
| w00t | but it does use native API to render | 22:30 |
| lcuk | w00t, it should use native | 22:30 |
| lcuk | x11 | 22:31 |
| w00t | lcuk: lol | 22:31 |
| mikhas | you have no clue | 22:31 |
| keesj | qt doens't have a dep on gtk | 22:31 |
| mikhas | the port was done by what, a team of two people? | 22:31 |
| lcuk | 4.6? | 22:31 |
| mikhas | yes | 22:31 |
| w00t | keesj: one moment | 22:31 |
| mikhas | it was the most efficient way | 22:31 |
| mikhas | developer-timer wise | 22:31 |
| ptl | qt4-core: | 22:31 |
| ptl | Dependencies: | 22:31 |
| ptl | 4.5.3~git20090723-0maemo6+0m5 - libc6 (2 2.5.0-1) libgcc1 (2 1:4.2.1) libglib2.0-0 (2 2.14.6-1osso1) libstdc++6 (2 4.2.1) zlib1g (2 1:1.2.1) | 22:31 |
| * lcuk understands that | 22:31 | |
| w00t | mikhas: not even just developer time | 22:31 |
| ptl | no gtk there | 22:31 |
| w00t | *sigh* | 22:32 |
| ptl | but there is libglib | 22:32 |
| w00t | I'm not saying this for the fun of it | 22:32 |
| w00t | http://qt.nokia.com/doc/qt-maemo-4.6/qmaemo5style.html#details | 22:32 |
| w00t | it's in the documentation | 22:32 |
| w00t | hold on, I'll find the code too | 22:32 |
| ptl | this is weird | 22:32 |
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| noobmonk3y | lcuk - similar to this (sorry about tabs, copied from my old test code!) | 22:32 |
| noobmonk3y | http://pastebin.com/Q7wiXBV3 | 22:32 |
| keesj | style != code | 22:32 |
| w00t | it shouldn't come as a revelation -- it's how Qt works on all platforms | 22:32 |
| w00t | keesj: ..what? | 22:32 |
| lcuk | keesj, read the next line | 22:32 |
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| w00t | QStyles are how widgets are rendered. | 22:32 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=568334&postcount=253 | 22:32 |
| lcuk | damn | 22:32 |
| lcuk | c&p fail | 22:32 |
| lcuk | Note: The style requires GTK+ version 2.10 or later and the special patched GTK+ Hildon include files. | 22:33 |
| noobmonk3y | ahaaaaaaa | 22:33 |
| noobmonk3y | http://www.rkblog.rk.edu.pl/w/p/extending-pyqt4-text-editor/ | 22:33 |
| noobmonk3y | found where i nabbed it from | 22:33 |
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| mikhas | if you are bored you can render your qt app in win95 style on the n900 | 22:33 |
| lcuk | bloody nora noobmonk3y lol | 22:33 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 22:33 |
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| noobmonk3y | i dont do things by half - instead of coding i knew i had seen a link before | 22:33 |
| lcuk | mikhas, what would i render it using if i was in kde? | 22:33 |
| noobmonk3y | found the code then found the link , typical | 22:34 |
| keesj | hmm | 22:34 |
| noobmonk3y | lol mikhas | 22:34 |
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| lcuk | i *like* the style engine | 22:34 |
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| lcuk | i just want to know wht the fastest would be | 22:34 |
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| lcuk | fastest usually == most efficient | 22:34 |
| w00t | keesj: http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo/blobs/4.6-fremantle/src/gui/styles/qmaemo5style.cpp | 22:34 |
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| w00t | lcuk: kde is a bit of a special case | 22:34 |
| noobmonk3y | fastest can = quickest shortcut ;) | 22:34 |
| lcuk | not really | 22:34 |
| w00t | lcuk: yes, it is | 22:35 |
| lcuk | its qt home turf | 22:35 |
| w00t | lcuk: no | 22:35 |
| noobmonk3y | lol just read back up - hi w00t :D | 22:35 |
| w00t | lcuk: kde has entirely seperate classes built on top of kde, including style | 22:35 |
| noobmonk3y | and yup learning python / qt :D | 22:35 |
| lcuk | ok so those kde style classes arent included by default | 22:35 |
| keesj | looks like you are right dammit I hate when that happens | 22:35 |
| lcuk | what happens if you want to run qt on a system with *shock* no gtk | 22:35 |
| w00t | lcuk: I don't know for sure, but you'd probably get plastique styling | 22:36 |
| noobmonk3y | it cries lcuk | 22:36 |
| keesj | still it's only for the style | 22:36 |
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| w00t | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/qstyle.html#details | 22:36 |
| noobmonk3y | yeah defaults to plastique | 22:36 |
| lcuk | keesj, sure | 22:36 |
| w00t | oh, hey, -style command line option | 22:37 |
| w00t | I forgot about that | 22:37 |
| * w00t plays with it | 22:37 | |
| lcuk | ok so plastique would be the default | 22:37 |
| mikhas | and there goes w00t's evening ... | 22:37 |
| lcuk | can i force that on qt4.6 on maemo? | 22:37 |
| mikhas | yes | 22:37 |
| w00t | lcuk: i'm about to experiment with exactly that | 22:38 |
| lcuk | :D ocol | 22:38 |
| lcuk | great w00t | 22:38 |
| w00t | mikhas: yes, annoyingly, i should be setting up scratchbox instead | 22:38 |
| w00t | ... now I know why I'm procrastinating :-) | 22:38 |
| * noobmonk3y is off out for bday beers (not mine lol) | 22:38 | |
| * noobmonk3y waves, ciaoooooooo | 22:38 | |
| mikhas | no maemo5 sdk gui installer for your box? | 22:38 |
| w00t | mikhas: I had a fight with it earlier | 22:39 |
| mikhas | then you can procrastinstall sbox | 22:39 |
| w00t | mikhas: 'must be root' | 22:39 |
| w00t | 'oh I can't run as root, bad permissions' | 22:39 |
| w00t | *chown* | 22:39 |
| andre__ | lcuk, thanks for the tmo link. I took it as an opportunity to explain what I did today :) | 22:39 |
| w00t | 'now I just won't run' | 22:39 |
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| w00t | #stupid thing | 22:39 |
| mikhas | sudo python that-installer-script.py? | 22:39 |
| w00t | s/#// | 22:39 |
| infobot | w00t meant: stupid thing | 22:39 |
| w00t | mikhas: let me explain in more detail | 22:39 |
| mikhas | no, thanks =) | 22:40 |
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| mikhas | I fear I am not able to solve any more mysteries today | 22:40 |
| w00t | I tried to run it as nonroot, it told me to sudo, I sudo'd, it told me a bunch of random permissions were at the wrong uid (not root), so I fixed those, and it decided to just not work at all without any error messag | 22:40 |
| w00t | e | 22:40 |
| lcuk | andre__, :) | 22:40 |
| mikhas | ok, that's awkward | 22:40 |
| w00t | so now I'm at the stage where I'm just going to use the .sh | 22:40 |
| w00t | ;) | 22:40 |
| mikhas | write a mail to the team | 22:41 |
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| w00t | also | 22:41 |
| w00t | lcuk: plastique is so so so so very ugly on the n900. :P | 22:41 |
| lcuk | w00t, obviously | 22:41 |
| lcuk | is plastique a standalone style class | 22:41 |
| andre__ | mikhas: "I fear I am not able to solve any more mysteries today" - wrong drugs? ;-) | 22:41 |
| w00t | lcuk: I can check, hold on | 22:41 |
| lcuk | ie is it possible to make a completely custom style for maemo | 22:41 |
| w00t | lcuk: well, yes, it will be | 22:42 |
| lcuk | :D | 22:42 |
| mikhas | andre__, hum ... | 22:42 |
| w00t | lcuk: yes, standalone | 22:43 |
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| w00t | (@plastique) | 22:43 |
| lcuk | neat | 22:43 |
| lcuk | so a lightweight cpu/battery/speed friendly style might be practical | 22:43 |
| lcuk | (im actually thinking n810) | 22:43 |
| burchr | QWindowsStyle would be -very- battery friendly | 22:44 |
| burchr | you might gouge your eyes out though | 22:44 |
| burchr | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/qwindowsstyle.html#details | 22:44 |
| lcuk | :D | 22:45 |
| lcuk | i can recreate visual basic | 22:45 |
| w00t | lol | 22:46 |
| w00t | .. | 22:46 |
| w00t | why am I talking with two mes | 22:46 |
| w00t | this is getting confusing | 22:46 |
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| lcuk | thats for you to decide | 22:46 |
| lcuk | awww crap, running low on rootfs, only got 90mb free | 22:47 |
| w00t | I reflashed recently | 22:47 |
| w00t | so I don't have that pain | 22:47 |
| w00t | :P | 22:47 |
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| burchr | .. | 22:47 |
| burchr | apparantly I do | 22:47 |
| burchr | that's interesting | 22:47 |
| burchr | rootfs reports 50m free | 22:47 |
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| mgedmin | "only" 90mb? luxury!!! | 22:48 |
| * lcuk giggles | 22:48 | |
| * burchr wonders where his megabytes went | 22:48 | |
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| * mgedmin is happy he still has 15 mb left | 22:48 | |
| lcuk | 15mb | 22:48 |
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| lcuk | you realise in times past that would be enough for 15 OS bootups | 22:48 |
| w00t | lol | 22:48 |
| Arif_ | I don't know how much I have | 22:49 |
| Arif_ | :D | 22:49 |
| lcuk | 1 floppy per system | 22:49 |
| w00t | I was just thinking back to my first computer | 22:49 |
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| w00t | which had a *tape* as a drive | 22:49 |
| SpeedEvil | 800M free here. | 22:49 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 22:49 |
| SpeedEvil | that's on the chroot | 22:49 |
| w00t | in those days, 15mb would have been a luxury | 22:49 |
| lcuk | lol SpeedEvil | 22:49 |
| SpeedEvil | 18M | 22:49 |
| Arif_ | on a 256M drive? | 22:49 |
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| Arif_ | impressive SpeedEvil! | 22:49 |
| Arif_ | :D | 22:49 |
| w00t | SpeedEvil: you made me think you had a n1000 for a moment | 22:49 |
| w00t | :P | 22:49 |
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| ptl | my first computer had 8kb RAM plus 8 kB extension. And a regular tape recorder attached to it so I could spend 15 minutes waiting for a text game to be loaded into memory. After less than 2 hours the computer would get too hot and I had to turn it off. | 22:55 |
| ptl | It had the staggering resolution of 160x120 with 4 colors or 256x192 b/w. | 22:56 |
| SpeedEvil | 1K | 22:56 |
| SpeedEvil | zx81 | 22:56 |
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| lcuk | oi ptl | 22:58 |
| lcuk | you could dither | 22:58 |
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| w00t | ptl: you had *colour*? | 22:59 |
| w00t | pshht. | 22:59 |
| w00t | :P | 22:59 |
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| w00t | (I do remember the good old tape loading times, though..) | 22:59 |
| lcuk | booooooooop bip | 22:59 |
| lcuk | booooooooooooooo dildididlkddldldidoldidlidldlididld | 23:00 |
| Arif_ | comodore 64 ftw | 23:00 |
| w00t | the scary thing is that I can still mimic the tones of the tape loader mine had when loading a certain tape | 23:00 |
| Arif_ | lol | 23:00 |
| Arif_ | you need help! | 23:00 |
| lcuk | w00t, tv shows have memorable theme tunes :) | 23:00 |
| w00t | lol | 23:01 |
| lcuk | serious | 23:01 |
| lcuk | speaking of which i once recorded the a team | 23:01 |
| lcuk | with a tape recorder | 23:01 |
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| w00t | you frighten me | 23:01 |
| lcuk | and listened to it when i got home :$ | 23:01 |
| w00t | :P | 23:01 |
| lcuk | :D | 23:02 |
| jaska | :D | 23:02 |
| SpeedEvil | /usr/bin/gnu/find /usr/local/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/sbin /usr/bin /sbin /bin /usr/bin/X11 -mount -size +20k -ctime -50 | 23:02 |
| SpeedEvil | I was going to write a nice per-package breakdown of K on / | 23:02 |
| SpeedEvil | but meh | 23:02 |
| * slonopotamus wonders how much it would cost to replace n800 screen | 23:02 | |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, i just went a bit further http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime | 23:03 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 23:03 |
| SpeedEvil | 24M free now | 23:03 |
| SpeedEvil | /var/apt is huge | 23:04 |
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| lcuk | 78mb free now | 23:04 |
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| * lcuk needs one of those speed dials as a widget | 23:04 | |
| lcuk | showing rootfs space | 23:04 |
| w00t | lol | 23:04 |
| lcuk | really complex graphics | 23:05 |
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| lcuk | not optified | 23:05 |
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| w00t | so it always points at 0? | 23:05 |
| lcuk | nahh | 23:05 |
| ptl | use that perl script for finding non-optified packages | 23:05 |
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| lcuk | i looked in the storage for candle and glitterball and stuff | 23:05 |
| lcuk | and they cheat! | 23:05 |
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| lcuk | i tohught they were live rendered | 23:05 |
| lcuk | but theres loads of graphics behind them | 23:05 |
| * lcuk is glad they are optified | 23:06 | |
| Elvaron | why is talk.maemo.org not working? orz | 23:06 |
| lcuk | WFM | 23:06 |
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| ptl | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=500101&postcount=7 ---> perl script for finding the packages' use of rootfs | 23:06 |
| Elvaron | something something maintenance? | 23:06 |
| ptl | Elvaron: because they are changing it to announce the release of PR1.2 | 23:06 |
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| lcuk | err not any more | 23:06 |
| ptl | :P | 23:07 |
| Arif_ | zumg | 23:07 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders if pr1.1.1 will hti in the UK | 23:07 | |
| Arif_ | the site is borked! | 23:07 |
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| Elvaron | told ya | 23:07 |
| * lcuk runs around screaming | 23:08 | |
| * SpeedEvil runs around hoovering. | 23:08 | |
| * Arif_ doubts new firmware will be released at 22:08 :P | 23:08 | |
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| Elvaron | at least i can play ff7 on my n900 | 23:08 |
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| Elvaron | at like 1fps | 23:08 |
| lcuk | f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5 | 23:08 |
| Noobmonk3y | f5? lol | 23:08 |
| mikhas | "reload" | 23:08 |
| Arif_ | Elvaron, buy a psp | 23:08 |
| Elvaron | i HAVE a psp :P | 23:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Arif_: Can it run maemo? | 23:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Arif_: are all the drivers open? | 23:09 |
| Arif_ | CTRL W! | 23:09 |
| * lcuk strongly dislikes ubuntu sometimes | 23:09 | |
| Arif_ | no, but it runs FF7 | 23:09 |
| Elvaron | playing a game on the system it was designed for is like buying a car at retail price | 23:09 |
| lcuk | i click close button on topmost app and sometimes it closes the app behind | 23:09 |
| * Noobmonk3y thinks a psp would be open.... if a sledgehammer was involved | 23:09 | |
| lcuk | or i grab topmost to move to different screen and it takes the wrong one | 23:09 |
| Arif_ | FF7 isn't designed for PSP :P | 23:09 |
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| Elvaron | it's PSX2PSP port, sold through PSN store, is, tho | 23:10 |
| Arif_ | that's aport :D | 23:10 |
| Noobmonk3y | hmmmmm my update app thingy just tool 4 mintes to run...... | 23:10 |
| Arif_ | and buy? meh :P | 23:10 |
| Noobmonk3y | too long* | 23:10 |
| Elvaron | i never said i bought it | 23:10 |
| Elvaron | anywho, if you want to categorize it as a port on the psp, then the PSP == n900 in that regard | 23:11 |
| Arif_ | the word scares me :P | 23:11 |
| Arif_ | nah | 23:11 |
| Arif_ | the PSP runs it at full speed! | 23:11 |
| Elvaron | define full speed | 23:11 |
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| Arif_ | you can also play the 5 games that were released for it! | 23:11 |
| Elvaron | theres more than 5 games for it^^ | 23:11 |
| Arif_ | full speed=60FPS? | 23:11 |
| Arif_ | or 50 | 23:11 |
| Arif_ | if you're in yourope | 23:12 |
| Noobmonk3y | 4 more than the n900 lol | 23:12 |
| Elvaron | i think there were even like 10 good games on the PSP | 23:12 |
| Arif_ | the N900 has 1 demo | 23:12 |
| Arif_ | ;p | 23:12 |
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| lcuk | i like the look of that roller coaster game :$ | 23:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Arif_: blocks! | 23:12 |
| Noobmonk3y | twas a sexy demo..... bit bored of it now | 23:12 |
| * lcuk wants to play | 23:12 | |
| SpeedEvil | Arif_: neglecting the bugs. | 23:12 |
| Arif_ | xD | 23:12 |
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| Arif_ | and one tech teaser | 23:12 |
| Noobmonk3y | i just want a game that can keep me entertained for over 5 mins | 23:12 |
| Arif_ | I finished bounce in 2 minutes... | 23:13 |
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| lcuk | Noobmonk3y, you have that | 23:13 |
| lcuk | maemo | 23:13 |
| Elvaron | well i have 1-2 FPS on the n900... and 1200 FPS on my computer... so the n900 is closer to the PSP, i.e. more suitable to play ff7 than my computer | 23:13 |
| lcuk | you are leveling up nicely | 23:13 |
| lcuk | big boss at end of level is coming | 23:13 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol lcuk.... maemo mmo.... kinda like drugwars | 23:13 |
| lcuk | if you get past it your app gets into extras | 23:13 |
| lcuk | and you unlock a new hairstyle | 23:13 |
| Arif_ | only thing decent for gaming on the N900 is drnoksnes | 23:13 |
| Arif_ | ;P | 23:13 |
| Noobmonk3y | wohoooooooo | 23:13 |
| Noobmonk3y | 36 hours till then | 23:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Noobmonk3y: nethack. | 23:14 |
| Arif_ | and maybe the n64 emulator in a month or 5 | 23:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Noobmonk3y: it works OK actually. | 23:14 |
| Elvaron | i'd love to try out jagged alliance 2 for n900 but i cant get it started... | 23:14 |
| Noobmonk3y | nethack? | 23:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Noobmonk3y: yes. | 23:14 |
| Noobmonk3y | explainio | 23:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | There is a nethack binary somewhere. | 23:14 |
| Elvaron | well, i was really only checking to see if ff7 would even start. and its starting and having sound, too. so "only" a matter of performance :) | 23:14 |
| Tuxprobe | hiya | 23:14 |
| SpeedEvil | I was playing it for a bit. | 23:14 |
| Noobmonk3y | hi tux, | 23:15 |
| SpeedEvil | It's actually sort-of-playable in vikeys mode. | 23:15 |
| Tuxprobe | anyone but me having troubles with apt-get update in scratchbox today? | 23:15 |
| Noobmonk3y | cool! | 23:15 |
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| Noobmonk3y | tuxer, having probs with it on my device lol | 23:15 |
| Noobmonk3y | speed, is it in devel? | 23:15 |
| * Arif_ waits for a dreamcast emulator:P | 23:16 | |
| Noobmonk3y | hmmm how do i auo complete nicks in xchat? | 23:16 |
| Tuxprobe | yea just tried on the device as well, getting a lot of timeouts :/ | 23:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Noobmonk3y: dunno. I don't think so. | 23:16 |
| Tuxprobe | seems to be repository.maemo.org causing troubles | 23:16 |
| Noobmonk3y | meh..... | 23:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Noobmonk3y: vultures claw is. I don't like that though. It's not a sane first experience. | 23:16 |
| Arif_ | sonic adventure 2 portable=win | 23:17 |
| Noobmonk3y | i think drugwars could be ported quite easily | 23:17 |
| Noobmonk3y | the incredible machine would be cool too! (TIM) | 23:18 |
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| Arif_ | what about jazz jackrabbit 2 | 23:19 |
| Arif_ | =D | 23:19 |
| Elvaron | yay | 23:19 |
| Elvaron | couldnt you run that in dosbox? | 23:19 |
| Arif_ | nah | 23:19 |
| Arif_ | its a wind00z game | 23:20 |
| Elvaron | isnt that sort of stuff all abandonware these days? i'd enjoy a lot of those games ported. Dune2, Commander Keen Series, Captain Comic, Duke Nukem 1+2, Battle Isle series, etc | 23:20 |
| Noobmonk3y | the original tim was dos'd | 23:20 |
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| Elvaron | i havent tried out n900's dosbox app yet, anyone else got experiences to tell? | 23:21 |
| lcuk | in the modern copyright age there is almost no such thing as abandonware | 23:21 |
| Noobmonk3y | true | 23:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Sure there is. Lots of difference engine games are out of copyright. | 23:22 |
| lcuk | i really do wish tho that once software is EOLed it can be placed on an open to all comers list | 23:23 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, really? | 23:23 |
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| lcuk | since copyright is 80 years after death of creator etc | 23:23 |
| pupnik_ | Elvaron: use native duke nukem port - dosbox is playable up to abit 1991 | 23:23 |
| lcuk | (or whatever specific it is, its way before invention of computers | 23:23 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Difference_engine | 23:23 |
| pupnik_ | about | 23:23 |
| Noobmonk3y | not all copyright..... | 23:23 |
| mgedmin | copyright is forever ... | 23:24 |
| Elvaron | DN1 came out 91, DN2 93 | 23:24 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, ok how many fps can that get :D | 23:24 |
| mgedmin | at least the media people keep extending the term all the time | 23:24 |
| Elvaron | there are no native ports yet, of course | 23:24 |
| pupnik_ | baloney - google duke nukem n900 | 23:24 |
| Elvaron | ? | 23:24 |
| pupnik_ | ? | 23:25 |
| Elvaron | i dont find that | 23:25 |
| Elvaron | oh wait | 23:25 |
| Elvaron | its in the games that work well with dosbox thread on maemo talk | 23:25 |
| Elvaron | can only be played with external keyboard tho | 23:26 |
| pupnik_ | ? | 23:26 |
| pupnik_ | Elvaron: i helpe port it | 23:26 |
| Kegetys | duke nukem != duke nukem 3d ;) | 23:26 |
| Elvaron | thank you @ Kegetys | 23:26 |
| pupnik_ | ahh i see | 23:26 |
| Elvaron | http://www.3drealms.com/duke1/index.html <- Duke Nukem | 23:26 |
| pupnik_ | forgot the 2d version | 23:26 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, a pocketable difference engine would be very steampunk | 23:29 |
| Arif_ | hmm | 23:29 |
| Arif_ | what about a port of icy tower | 23:29 |
| Arif_ | :D | 23:29 |
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| lcuk | shit, its valerio | 23:30 |
| cehteh | how about global search within contacts and calendar, imap idle in modest and fixing other nastyness first? | 23:30 |
| lcuk | quick hide the chips and software | 23:30 |
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| lcuk | put away the booze | 23:30 |
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| Elvaron | oooh i think i might be able to run Ultima 6 through dosbox *getting into a crazy stare mode* | 23:30 |
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| Arif_ | cehteh, nah. that has nothing to do with games =P | 23:30 |
| cehteh | grr | 23:30 |
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| Arif_ | they should fix the media player first of all if they want to improve the OS :P | 23:31 |
| Elvaron | woah, theres EPIC PINBALL... i TOTALLY forgot about that game | 23:31 |
| cehteh | works for me .. and mplayer for the rest | 23:31 |
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| Arif_ | (K)MPlayer needs a repeat function | 23:32 |
| Arif_ | and the built in one should stop crashing every 3 minutes | 23:32 |
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| cehteh | mhm | 23:33 |
| Elvaron | anyhow, if any of you got the jagged alliance 2 port to run and feel like helping me out, it would make my day^^ | 23:33 |
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| Elvaron | woah jetpack... retro fun ftw | 23:35 |
| Noobmonk3y | brb trying out tuxrace | 23:36 |
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| ptl | Elvaron: I got it to run, what do you want? | 23:41 |
| ptl | you just have to copy the Data directory to /home/user/MyDocs/ja2data/Data | 23:41 |
| ptl | and run ja2 | 23:42 |
| ptl | that's it | 23:42 |
| Elvaron | i put them in ...MyDocs/games/ja2/ and set that path in the ja2.ini | 23:42 |
| Elvaron | and i'm getting a Opening file failed error | 23:42 |
| Elvaron | but since i only have the german version of the game here, that might be a cause of problem | 23:42 |
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| ptl | I don't remember ever editting ja2.ini | 23:43 |
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| Elvaron | where did you get your working data files? | 23:44 |
| ptl | try to ?:/home/user/MyDocs/ja2data# cat /home/user/.ja2/ja2.ini | 23:44 |
| ptl | data_dir = /home/user/MyDocs/ja2data | 23:44 |
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| ptl | oops | 23:44 |
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| Noobmonk3y | omg tuxrace is awesome!!! | 23:44 |
| Arif_ | what's ja2 | 23:44 |
| * Noobmonk3y is happy | 23:44 | |
| Elvaron | jagged alliance 2 | 23:44 |
| Arif_ | hmm | 23:44 |
| ptl | Arif_: Jagged Alliance 2 | 23:44 |
| Arif_ | tactical role playing eh | 23:44 |
| Arif_ | not hanks | 23:45 |
| Arif_ | Noobmonk3y, yes it is! | 23:45 |
| Noobmonk3y | :) | 23:45 |
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| Elvaron | Opening file failed | 23:48 |
| Elvaron | Creating an emergency savegame failed. | 23:48 |
| Arif_ | I'd like normal controls though | 23:48 |
| Noobmonk3y | hmmmm kinda like it as is! | 23:49 |
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| ptl | wow | 23:50 |
| ptl | just tried tuxracer again | 23:50 |
| ptl | evolved a lot from 0.1 to 0.3 | 23:50 |
| haltdef | totally forgot about that game | 23:50 |
| Noobmonk3y | yeah. | 23:51 |
| Noobmonk3y | great port | 23:51 |
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| Tuxprobe | omg omg | 23:53 |
| haltdef | lol nice | 23:53 |
| haltdef | 0.1 * Crappy Initial Release. | 23:53 |
| Tuxprobe | well might as well give up for the night | 23:53 |
| Tuxprobe | E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? | 23:53 |
| Tuxprobe | i A>M<! | 23:53 |
| Vratha | anyone used a bt mouse with the n900? if so, does it actually show a cursor? | 23:54 |
| villager | Vratha: judging from all the requests for help finding a way to show one... no | 23:57 |
| Arif_ | muh | 23:57 |
| Arif_ | tuxrace needs keyboard control | 23:57 |
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| Noobmonk3y | naaaaaa :) all part oft the fun! | 23:58 |
| red | How do you guys feel about SEPA payments and CIA being a big brother and getting to log all transactions made? :o | 23:58 |
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| ptl | keyboard control? where? I just played it only with the touchscreen and accelerometer | 23:58 |
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| ptl | version 0.1 needed it | 23:59 |
| Arif_ | I said needs | 23:59 |
| Arif_ | :P | 23:59 |
| Shapeshifter | red: huh | 23:59 |
| ptl | 0.3 doesn't, I think | 23:59 |
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| Noobmonk3y | naaa dont think it does | 23:59 |
| haltdef | accelerometer control no good? | 23:59 |
| haltdef | never owned a phone that has one | 23:59 |
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| ptl | accelerometer control is nice for games like tuxracer | 23:59 |
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