| Ogun | Science, where nothing works but everybody knows why. | 00:00 |
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| tybollt | CS students today learn how to toy in java, not programing | 00:00 |
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| uhsf | there's anything else to do with java than toys? | 00:01 |
| tybollt | nope | 00:01 |
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| ptl | I don't understand why the abiword on maemo-extras wasn't optified | 00:11 |
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| ptl | I did a maemo-optify-deb on it and its rootfs usage went from 13.7 MB to 572 kB | 00:12 |
| ptl | I think I'll open a bug report for it | 00:12 |
| ShadowJK | abiword made it into extras without being optified? | 00:14 |
| ShadowJK | that's huge bug | 00:14 |
| RST38h | Ehehe | 00:15 |
| RST38h | It also does not seem to work very well =( | 00:15 |
| pupnik | thanks ptl | 00:15 |
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| ShadowJK | so 10 people didn't notice it uses almost 14 megs? | 00:16 |
| ptl | it seems so... | 00:17 |
| ShadowJK | That's a huge chunk of the free space between vanilla-n900 and ssu-no-longer-works... | 00:17 |
| ptl | I'll work out and when I get back I'll open the bug report | 00:17 |
| RST38h | "...has the unusual property of altering the laws of mathematics in its vicinity, causing rounding errors to occur unless calculated using a base-23 system." | 00:18 |
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| ShadowJK | oh it's only in -devel | 00:19 |
| wazd | now THAT's an irony | 00:20 |
| wazd | apple added accelerometer to the iPhone to switch screen orientation without buttons | 00:20 |
| wazd | and now they added button to turn it off | 00:20 |
| wazd | pure genius :) | 00:21 |
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| RST38h | wazd: picture! picture! | 00:22 |
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| wazd | http://gizmodo.com/5491899/the-ipads-surprise-button-screen-orientation-lock | 00:23 |
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| RST38h | OMG | 00:23 |
| RST38h | they added MORE BUTTONS! | 00:23 |
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| inz | Doesn't sound like apple; I thought they believed in one button(tm) | 00:25 |
| RST38h | inz: Rumors say that one button is modeled after Steve Jobs' belly button | 00:25 |
| RST38h | [of course, remember that next time you are clicking it] | 00:26 |
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| wazd | RST38h: well, they actually changed the functionality of silent switch :) | 00:26 |
| wazd | RST38h: but the irony is overwhelming :) | 00:26 |
| inz | RST, haven't used any apple products in ages. | 00:26 |
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| RST38h | wazd: their keyboards have more than one button, I have one and can attest | 00:26 |
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| ponyofdeath | what is the best way to wipe personal data from an nokia n900 before RMAing it? | 00:28 |
| wazd | RST38h: screw buttons, they reinvented accelerometer back :D | 00:28 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Wait until they reinvent multitasking... | 00:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ponyofdeath: flash rootfs and eMMC | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ponyofdeath: no idea though if there's some sort of call history inside modem, and if so how to clear it then | 00:35 |
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| * VDVsx tries to patent "button to turn accelerometer off" | 00:38 | |
| VDVsx | damn, already patented by apple :P | 00:38 |
| javispedro | what? | 00:38 |
| VDVsx | http://gizmodo.com/5491899/the-ipads-surprise-button-screen-orientation-lock | 00:39 |
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| javispedro | they patented it? | 00:39 |
| javispedro | Ctrl+Shift+I! Prior art! ;) | 00:39 |
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| VDVsx | dunno, just joking | 00:39 |
| VDVsx | they patented "slide to unlock", so... | 00:40 |
| javispedro | the good news is that if apple does it we can rest assured devices to come for the next years will have it (and more buttons is _always_ a good thing) | 00:40 |
| VDVsx | they are using that patent against Nokia and HTC :D | 00:40 |
| ptl | how long until patent law blows up and dies? | 00:41 |
| RST38h | So, no slide-to-unlock in the next tablet/ | 00:41 |
| RST38h | ? | 00:41 |
| javispedro | btw, moo :) | 00:41 |
| RST38h | ptl: Well let us make bets: patent law or health system? | 00:41 |
| RST38h | javis: moo indeed | 00:41 |
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| RST38h | ptl: which one goes first? =) | 00:41 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, probably the N900 has to leave the US market, since has slide to unlock, lolol | 00:42 |
| VDVsx | same for a couple of droids | 00:42 |
| VDVsx | so silly | 00:42 |
| derf | They've been working on HCR since the early 90's. | 00:42 |
| derf | While efforts to reform patent law are just starting, and going in the wrong direction. | 00:42 |
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| ptl | RST38h: :( always the weaker | 00:42 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: there is US market for Nokia phones? | 00:42 |
| javispedro | "Nokia Asks Judge to Dismiss Apple's Antitrust Claims" :) | 00:42 |
| RST38h | Hmm...Modest already managed to create a folder on my newly inserted sd card | 00:43 |
| VDVsx | very wrong direction when someone can patent great inventions like slide to unlock | 00:43 |
| javispedro | "he most recent move comes from Nokia, who seeks to dismiss Apple's antritrust claims using pretty much the same arguments Apple used to counter Psystar's antitrust claims." | 00:43 |
| VDVsx | :D | 00:43 |
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| VDVsx | my favorite patent is the one that tries to patent "patent trolls" :D | 00:45 |
| VDVsx | awesome | 00:45 |
| ptl | is it possible to have an analogue for the GPL in the patent world? | 00:46 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Well, as this wonderful system is starting to intefere with large corporations' business, it will probably get reformed in the next 10-20 years | 00:46 |
| ptl | like 'you can't patent that idea and its derivatives, but you can use as you will' | 00:47 |
| nid0 | and whod use it? | 00:47 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Nobody gives a shit about Joe the Innovator, but when it comes to Microsoft or IBM or Google... | 00:47 |
| ptl | nid0: whoever wants it | 00:48 |
| VDVsx | I think they can't sue you if use their patents in OSS projects and don't sell anything | 00:48 |
| nid0 | no company is going to design things and patent them with a "use this for free" patent | 00:48 |
| Pio | oo i think they can | 00:49 |
| ptl | IBM did something like that | 00:49 |
| RST38h | derf: I will believe in HCR once it is completed and a person will be able to walk into a hospital and get care, without losing their life savings in a week | 00:49 |
| ptl | made some patents available for public use | 00:49 |
| nid0 | yeah they probably threw 4 or 5 simplistic patents into the wild to look good for PR reasons | 00:49 |
| ptl | anyway, they did. | 00:50 |
| RST38h | derf: before that it is bullshit and the competition of patent law vs health care stands ;) | 00:50 |
| VDVsx | here's the patent of all patents :D :http://boingboing.net/2008/11/17/halliburton-tries-to.html | 00:50 |
| nid0 | could you imagine the income an IP company like nokia would lose by making their patents freely usable? | 00:50 |
| nid0 | not a chance | 00:50 |
| VDVsx | probably will be accepted :D | 00:50 |
| ptl | it's better than nothing and tells us there is something wrong with patents | 00:50 |
| Pio | nid0, they just lose their ability to countersue apple :) | 00:50 |
| javispedro | what we need is clearly, a patent, patent-testing and patent-stable set of repositories. | 00:50 |
| nid0 | and make money from every other mobile device manufacture on the planet | 00:50 |
| javispedro | s/patent-stable/patent-devel (how could I get that wrong?) | 00:50 |
| nid0 | whats 1 lawsuit when every other mobile there is is paying them royalties | 00:51 |
| nid0 | mobile company* | 00:51 |
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| Pio | ugh i try not to think about it.. it just hurts my head | 00:51 |
| VDVsx | nid0, well, as long they don't patent things like slide to unlock | 00:51 |
| RST38h | oh cooool ovi maps found me | 00:51 |
| Arif_ | where were you? | 00:51 |
| ptl | patent-granting, patent-pending and patent-applied would be more appropriate, don't you think? | 00:54 |
| ptl | *patent-granted | 00:54 |
| RST38h | Arif: Outside of the range for which I downloaded maps offline | 00:54 |
| Arif_ | aww | 00:54 |
| Arif_ | just download whole EU | 00:54 |
| RST38h | Arif: Why would I need EU? | 00:54 |
| Arif_ | US then? | 00:55 |
| ptl | I tried to use ovi maps these days | 00:55 |
| RST38h | Whole US is a 1.1GB ZIP | 00:55 |
| ptl | I can't understand it | 00:55 |
| * RST38h just got the states he expects to visit | 00:55 | |
| ptl | really | 00:55 |
| Arif_ | that's not too big | 00:55 |
| ptl | it's so different from the regular GPS programs | 00:55 |
| ptl | tried mapper also | 00:55 |
| ptl | no better | 00:55 |
| RST38h | yes, it is fucked up | 00:55 |
| RST38h | We all kinda know that already though | 00:55 |
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| ptl | But I know why Sygic didn't make it into Ovi Story | 00:57 |
| RST38h | not yet at least | 00:57 |
| ptl | it's due to the fact that Ovi Maps will be greatly improved on PR 1.2 and will trump Sygic maps! | 00:57 |
| RST38h | The best mapping program for N900 is Maep at the moment | 00:57 |
| ptl | so nokia is avoiding the shame of sygic | 00:58 |
| ptl | maep??? | 00:58 |
| RST38h | Its only drawback is that you have to predownload manually by browsing the map. Not a very good idea | 00:58 |
| * RST38h is still hoping that someone will write a Python script that predownloads Maep data | 00:58 | |
| ptl | it says it's simple | 00:58 |
| ptl | is it better than mapper? | 00:58 |
| RST38h | yes. it works. | 00:58 |
| RST38h | mapper does not, right now | 00:59 |
| ptl | mapper might be complicated but it has many features | 00:59 |
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| ptl | does it trace routes? | 00:59 |
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| RST38h | ptl: Mapper current has problems downloading maps. | 01:03 |
| RST38h | currently | 01:03 |
| thresh | it has some other problems as well | 01:04 |
| thresh | like it's ridiculously SLOW | 01:05 |
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| RST38h | thresh: correct | 01:06 |
| RST38h | thresh: Maybe we should provide Shmuma with a box of beer every time he makes an improvement? :) | 01:06 |
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| thresh | RST38h: that could work =) | 01:08 |
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| RST38h | thresh: ...and allow us to bet on whether he completes the Mapper to a usable condition or becomes alcoholic first | 01:09 |
| ptl | in that case, use absinthe. | 01:10 |
| ptl | beer just makes you fat. | 01:10 |
| * RST38h [notes to himself] No Yandex maps for Maryland. | 01:10 | |
| ptl | (absinthe - the best drink ever) | 01:10 |
| * thresh prefers whiskey | 01:10 | |
| RST38h | ptl: is that absinthe telling you that? | 01:10 |
| RST38h | into a non-yet-amputated ear? =) | 01:11 |
| ptl | lol | 01:11 |
| ptl | you could say so | 01:11 |
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| ptl | With real absinthe, you can't really really become alcoholic in short term, it's expensive and it has to be drunk following a ritual, it's better with people around and it is more of a social drink. Also, you have to dilute it on water to taste it like it should - the essential oils it has only become active (and make themselves be tasted) when the alcoholic degree decreases. | 01:13 |
| ptl | ok, too offtopic | 01:13 |
| RST38h | this sounds like a drug addiction | 01:13 |
| ptl | sorry | 01:13 |
| thresh | nothing is too offtopic in a middle of friday night | 01:13 |
| RST38h | so, no, it won't be *called* alcoholism | 01:13 |
| ptl | yeah, that's thujone, absinthe even has an active ingredient whose psychoactive effects are not yet well known | 01:14 |
| ptl | I even bought a thujone addictive for my absinthe from China. | 01:14 |
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| crashanddie | tybollt: haven't noticed anything of the like | 01:27 |
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| crashanddie | tybollt: but then again, I'm always in hotels, so maybe the owners will get arrested from browsing porn in a couple of months after I'm long gone | 01:27 |
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| javispedro | I really dislike how both the N810/N900 touch panels lose precision and sensitiveness in borders. | 01:46 |
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| javispedro | why? these two are the only two resistive panels where I've seen this happen. | 01:47 |
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| pupnik | i dunno | 01:47 |
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| pupnik | just watched 5 youtubes, browsed 10 sites. battery half gone | 01:48 |
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| ptl | pupnik: in firefox or microb? | 01:51 |
| ptl | I've noticed that firefox (fennec) supports on N900 html5 perfectly | 01:51 |
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| ptl | I can see all html5 videos on youtube and even play html5 games | 01:51 |
| pupnik | ptl in zoutube to save battery | 01:51 |
| ptl | k | 01:51 |
| pupnik | hmm wow | 01:52 |
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| ptl | in fennec, you have to go to about:config and enable.html5 to true | 01:52 |
| ptl | and then join the beta html5 program of youtube | 01:52 |
| ptl | but just that, then it works | 01:52 |
| pupnik | sweet | 01:52 |
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| pupnik | do they transcode existing youtubes to play in html5 ptl? | 01:53 |
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| ptl | not all of them | 01:53 |
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| ptl | but many of them they do | 01:54 |
| ptl | you'll notice when it's html5... the loading spin-wheel shows 'html5' on it | 01:54 |
| ptl | and the controls are slightly different | 01:54 |
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| josephnexus | does the n900 support html5? | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | No. | 01:59 |
| josephnexus | bummer | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a computer, the browser does that | 01:59 |
| ptl | josephnexus: fennec does | 01:59 |
| josephnexus | i was meaning out of the box | 02:00 |
| josephnexus | :-p | 02:00 |
| ptl | no, it doesn't | 02:00 |
| ds3 | sure it isn't the crummy microb chewing up power like on the N8x0's? | 02:01 |
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| pupnik | it is crummy websites | 02:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | lynx is very fast. | 02:19 |
| RST38h | and exploit free | 02:20 |
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| josephnexus | lynx rox! | 02:20 |
| RST38h | Ah look what have we got here: http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/12/nokia-c6-is-actually-a-5230-ish-landscape-slider/ | 02:21 |
| RST38h | 4 KEYBOARD ROWS!!! | 02:22 |
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| javispedro | no! patent it! | 02:22 |
| RST38h | And a DPad!!! | 02:22 |
| javispedro | no depth though | 02:22 |
| RST38h | To the pitchforks! Attack! Attack! | 02:22 |
| javispedro | looks awful | 02:22 |
| cjard_ | regarding developing for maemo, are there recommended ways of: i18n, storing prefs | 02:22 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, yeah, but Symbian sucks with touchscreen. | 02:22 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Actually, I am ok with it | 02:23 |
| javispedro | cjard_: i18n=same as whatever your toolkit suggest, prefs=gconf. | 02:23 |
| RST38h | GAN: Just never think of it as a "computer" and you will be fine :) | 02:23 |
| cjard_ | javispedro: thx | 02:23 |
| RST38h | (kinda hard to do, given how closely these Symbian phones resemble Maemo devices, but still) | 02:24 |
| cjard_ | javispedro: is gconf secure? ok to store passwords in? | 02:24 |
| cjard_ | (accepted that any security or encryption could be broken by reading my program's source, but..) | 02:24 |
| javispedro | you already answered yourself :) | 02:25 |
| RST38h | no, gconf is not secure, even although modest stores passwords there | 02:25 |
| javispedro | modest, icd2, telepathy,.... everything. | 02:26 |
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| red | Heya | 02:28 |
| red | im trying to mount a samba share on my n900 | 02:28 |
| red | i installed smbclient atlready | 02:28 |
| red | and created an ssh tunnel to my home network | 02:28 |
| red | i can see the share with smbclient -L address/share -U username -> supply password and hit enter | 02:28 |
| Robot101 | javispedro: on the desktop telepathy uses gnome-keyring - maemo 5 doesn't have a secure password store :/ | 02:28 |
| red | any ideas how to continue from that, | 02:29 |
| Robot101 | javispedro: it should be better in harmattan, we've made pluggable account storage backends now | 02:29 |
| red | clearly it can see the share but i've no idea how i could add it somewhere so i can access it properly :) | 02:29 |
| javispedro | not that I actually need anything more secure than plaintext :) | 02:29 |
| nid0 | hmmm | 02:30 |
| nid0 | "Ford has recognised that setting up wireless systems in cars need to be accompanied by improved security features. Encryption will be used to protect the WiFi network, with firewalls used to segment the vehicle's operational processors from entertainment and information systems." | 02:30 |
| RST38h | Ah sweet Ford invents encrypted WiFi! | 02:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Plaintext+thermite. | 02:31 |
| nid0 | is it just me that thinks having a car's operational side connected to the entertainment side thats then connected to wifi, whether firewalled or not | 02:31 |
| nid0 | is bloody stupid? | 02:31 |
| javispedro | why does it need a firewall? what will the firewall do? | 02:31 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: thermorectal cryptoanalysis? | 02:31 |
| javispedro | maybe they mean a physical firewall. | 02:31 |
| red | javispedro: stop from an attacker to shutdown your car | 02:31 |
| red | ;) | 02:31 |
| RST38h | javis: will protect GPS tracker installed by your insurance company from your puny hacking attempts | 02:32 |
| red | id freaking LOVE a wifi connected car that I could start from my apartment on a cold day 15min before going out and driving to work | 02:32 |
| * RST38h suggests "driving to work" part | 02:32 | |
| javispedro | :) | 02:32 |
| red | just need to be sure i didnt leave it on a gear :) | 02:32 |
| nid0 | whats driving to work? :\ | 02:32 |
| RST38h | suggests dropping that is | 02:32 |
| red | why | 02:33 |
| RST38h | Why drive to work when you can work at home? | 02:33 |
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| red | I drive a truck | 02:33 |
| red | it's hard to do from my home | 02:33 |
| RST38h | Ah | 02:33 |
| red | :D | 02:33 |
| `0660 | why do you need a car, when you could fly with a helicopter? | 02:33 |
| nid0 | I dont need a truck to get the 10 feet from my bed to my desk \o/ | 02:33 |
| red | well, school and driving a delivery truck to get some cash while studying | 02:33 |
| RST38h | That changes things, as far as WiFI usefullness is concerned =) | 02:33 |
| red | waking up 4.45am and leavint to work 5am and when its -20celcius i tends to be freaking annoying to find a solid frozen car :) | 02:34 |
| RST38h | 0660: Or switch to LSD and teleport? =) | 02:34 |
| `0660 | exactly! | 02:34 |
| red | but back to topic | 02:34 |
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| red | it seems i need cifs on my n900 to mount the samba share | 02:34 |
| red | how can i get it ? | 02:34 |
| javispedro | welllllll | 02:34 |
| RST38h | custom kernel? | 02:34 |
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| javispedro | you could built it, you could download it from someone who built it.. | 02:35 |
| javispedro | you don't actually need to rebuilt the entire kernel for the cifs module.... | 02:35 |
| javispedro | *rebuild | 02:35 |
| red | mm | 02:35 |
| red | i just need to mount my sambashare on the n900 to make my other n900 using friends jaw drop | 02:35 |
| red | if its too much a hazzle ill just scrap it, dont really need it that much :) | 02:36 |
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| red | i found the cifs kernel module from extras devel | 02:37 |
| red | wonder where it's located after install | 02:37 |
| RST38h | you got OTHER N900 using friends? | 02:38 |
| RST38h | Moo, Arkenoi | 02:38 |
| red | yeah | 02:38 |
| red | i showed mine off so one particular dude wanted it right away | 02:38 |
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| * Arkenoi is slowpoke - just watched avatar | 02:39 | |
| red | insmod cifs.ko --> file exists error | 02:39 |
| red | hmm? | 02:39 |
| Arkenoi | the cinema was half empty, it is the advantage of being slowpoke | 02:39 |
| * Arkenoi btw seen n900 on the street the first time now (people i know do not count) | 02:41 | |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: I will watch it when it hits torrents and thus do it alone =) | 02:41 |
| Arkenoi | rst38h: 3d is fun | 02:41 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: I am old fashioned. | 02:41 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: And well acquainted with the contents of "451oF" | 02:41 |
| Arkenoi | i think it is the sole reason it still had not - people think no one needs it in 2d | 02:42 |
| RST38h | On the other hand, the Tentacled One approves: "New research shows that the advantages of HDTV aren't lost on octopuses. A recent study on octopus behavior made the upgrade from CRT sets to HDTVs for the playback of octopus-related videos, like one of a tasty crab." | 02:43 |
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| Arkenoi | btw there is not a single technical reason for CRT to be uncapable of hdtv ;-) | 02:44 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Check out the Imaginarium Of Dr Parnassus BTW | 02:44 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Actually, there is a reason | 02:45 |
| * Arkenoi googled and figured out there ARE! | 02:45 | |
| Arkenoi | sony makes some | 02:45 |
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| RST38h | The electron beam should lose focus with distance | 02:45 |
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| red | hmmh | 02:46 |
| red | im trying to mount it now | 02:46 |
| red | but it keeps saying "invalid argument2 | 02:46 |
| red | sudo mount -t cifs "//remote/samba/share" /local/folder -o u=MYUSER,pass=MYPASSWORD,uid=29999,gid=29999 | 02:46 |
| red | thats the line im trying with my addresses naturally | 02:46 |
| red | i can see the share with "smbclient -L 127.0.0.1/kaliapullo -U username -> supply password | 02:46 |
| red | so my mount line is: mount -t cifs "//127.0.0.1/kaliapullo" /home/user -o u=username,pass=password,uid=29999,gid=29999 | 02:47 |
| red | any ideas mr geniuses? :) | 02:47 |
| RST38h | red: screw it. | 02:48 |
| red | :< | 02:48 |
| red | it's so close :) | 02:49 |
| RST38h | a moment then | 02:49 |
| Arkenoi | http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&q=crt+hdtv&cid=8168926245736317175#p wow , <$200 for 70" - i wonder how much does it cost in Russia, i guess $1K+ | 02:49 |
| javispedro | 127.0.0.1¿ | 02:50 |
| javispedro | ? | 02:50 |
| red | javispedro: loopback | 02:50 |
| javispedro | ah, ssh tunnel | 02:50 |
| red | yeah | 02:50 |
| red | i can see the share fine with smbclient on the n900 | 02:50 |
| red | just need to get it mounted to actually access it | 02:50 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: it is rear-projection. | 02:50 |
| red | the mount just says invalid argument" pff, wish it gave more specific error messages | 02:51 |
| red | i feel like im trying to use xml with php here | 02:51 |
| RST38h | red: anything new in dmesg? | 02:51 |
| Arkenoi | rst38h: yep, but it is dirt cheap | 02:51 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: You do not want it. It is rear-projection. | 02:51 |
| RST38h | That is why it is so cheap: nobody buys it | 02:52 |
| red | RST38h: how do you access that? | 02:52 |
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| RST38h | red: dmesg | more | 02:52 |
| red | cifs unknow mount option -u | 02:53 |
| red | thats odd | 02:53 |
| RST38h | red: I think I know what the problem is | 02:53 |
| RST38h | red: your mount point should be an empty directory | 02:53 |
| red | i tried that too | 02:54 |
| RST38h | red: mkdir /home/user/smb and use it as the mount point | 02:54 |
| red | made a samba dir in media | 02:54 |
| red | and pointed to that | 02:54 |
| RST38h | ok | 02:54 |
| red | its saying invalid argument even without the -o and stuff after | 02:54 |
| RST38h | second hypothesis: mount may be sensitive to the order of arguments | 02:54 |
| Arkenoi | rst38h: i really do not care. what's wrong with rear projection? it is brighter than fore projector and it is cheaper. | 02:54 |
| RST38h | mount -t cifs -o <options> <share> <mountpoint> | 02:54 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: It is not sharp enough, not bright enough, and usually causes weird color effects when you move eyes across the screen | 02:55 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Also tends to have tiny visibility angles in vertical direction | 02:55 |
| red | hmmh | 02:55 |
| red | without -u dmesg says username not supplied error | 02:55 |
| red | and with -u it says its unknown parameter | 02:56 |
| RST38h | do it as root | 02:56 |
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| Arkenoi | RST38h, i've seen some, it is reasonably sharp and reasonably bright. i am pretty satisfied with generic dlp projectors and it is even better | 02:56 |
| red | i am sudo gainroot | 02:56 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Well, tastes differ of course, but I would not bring it home even if it were free | 02:56 |
| mikkov | how do I disable compositing from my window? | 02:57 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: In fact, one of these suckers is playing a movie downstairs, so I can always go there and refresh my bad feelings about it =) | 02:57 |
| RST38h | mikkov: konttori says it gets disabled automagically when in full screen mode | 02:57 |
| ali1234 | you can get different types of rear projection screen you know... visibility angle is not a problem any more. brightness is, however. | 02:57 |
| RST38h | mikkov: Starting with PR1.1 | 02:57 |
| ali1234 | of course, the good screens tend to cost more than the projector | 02:57 |
| red | the syntax had changed | 02:58 |
| javispedro | red: is u=MYUSER valid? isn't it user=MYUSER? | 02:58 |
| red | it's user= and pass= | 02:58 |
| red | not u= anymore | 02:58 |
| red | MYUSER? | 02:58 |
| mikkov | RST38h: when compositing is disabled, should the yellow notification boxes be visible? | 02:58 |
| red | with user=red,pass=*** i now got an error of no such device or address | 02:58 |
| RST38h | mikkov: Afaik yes | 02:58 |
| red | so getting closer | 02:58 |
| javispedro | mikkov: yes, it switches to composited, shows it, then switches back to uncomposited. | 02:59 |
| RST38h | mikkov: That is different | 02:59 |
| * RST38h has a different problem BTW: need to turn compositing ON. How do I do THAT? | 02:59 | |
| mikkov | ah, ok. I'm just wondering why teeworlds is running so slow | 02:59 |
| javispedro | mikkov: depending on how you fullscreen, it may not switch to not composited. | 03:00 |
| javispedro | mikkov: the maemo-sdl, gtk, qt, etc. do it "the right way"? | 03:00 |
| javispedro | s/?// | 03:00 |
| infobot | javispedro meant: mikkov: the maemo-sdl, gtk, qt, etc. do it "the right way" | 03:00 |
| mikkov | RST38h: btw I got nogravity running, but textures are not working (yet, maybe) | 03:00 |
| RST38h | mikkov: Oh yesssss =) | 03:01 |
| * RST38h feels guilty now and goes to fix that TI84+SE skin | 03:01 | |
| mikkov | RST38h: I can launch the actual game and shoot things but everything looks crap with big white boxes | 03:02 |
| RST38h | mikkov: It may expect full OpenGL... | 03:03 |
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| mikkov | RST38h: sure, it did require more than just compiling :) | 03:04 |
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| mikkov | RST38h: textures have been the problem with other stuff too like tuxracer | 03:05 |
| xander21c | Hi does the backup utility for n900, save the phone contacts?? | 03:05 |
| nid0 | yes | 03:06 |
| RST38h | mikkov: I would suggest talking to konttori, he should at least know who is responsible for them | 03:06 |
| RST38h | mikkov: But there is at least one other problem with OGLES: it sometimes corrupts screenbuffer (and may corrupt some other memory areas, I suspect) | 03:07 |
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| RST38h | mikkov: The bug looks like small patches of garbage, not unlike two-three garbage characters "printed" to the screen | 03:07 |
| red | ok i narrowed it down | 03:08 |
| mikkov | RST38h: I haven't seen nothing like that | 03:08 |
| red | for some reason cifs is brekaing down to the // | 03:08 |
| javispedro | I have seen that | 03:09 |
| javispedro | in fact after having spawned tuxrace a few times now | 03:09 |
| javispedro | the yellow notifications are corrupted in the task switcher | 03:09 |
| RST38h | javispedro: If you feel like complaining, file a bug tracker, I will vote | 03:09 |
| javispedro | they have random black/green vertical lines | 03:09 |
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| RST38h | On the other hand, this may be a different problem and I am sure they will hang it onto TuxRacer | 03:10 |
| mikkov | javispedro: have you seen the problem with ioquake or some other ogl game? | 03:11 |
| javispedro | RST38h: I'm pretty sure the SGX has a lot of bugs already... the official answer is "new driver version that will come in PR1.2" | 03:11 |
| mikkov | or app | 03:11 |
| RST38h | javis: ORLY? Interesting | 03:11 |
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| javispedro | mikkov: no... then again I've SIGKILL'd it numerous times | 03:11 |
| RST38h | mikkov: I see my bug with a lot of OffScr games, and Angry Birds too | 03:11 |
| javispedro | RST38h: new driver version, yes... but they don't know if it will fix the bug, just that "it might be harder to reproduce in the new version". | 03:12 |
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| javispedro | ah, "egil" in tmo: qgil's mirror universe twin. | 03:21 |
| javispedro | his first post: "you may now put all your fud in this thread." | 03:22 |
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| RST38h | javis: poor quim | 03:32 |
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| red | I give up trying to mount for the evening :P | 03:40 |
| red | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=565663&posted=1#post565663 | 03:40 |
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| RST38h | http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-337 | 04:18 |
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| ptl | isn't there a bug report facility for extras-testing or extras-devel in maemo.org? | 04:20 |
| ptl | I tried to get to the bugzilla bug tracker for abiword but it sent me to abisource's homepage | 04:21 |
| ptl | and I tried to enter a bug report on maemo's bugzilla but it doesn't seem to have a section for extras-devel or extras-testing, only extras | 04:21 |
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| javispedro | why could a bitmapped font file format have a per-char "x_offset", "y_offset" pair of fields? | 04:25 |
| ali1234 | because even a bitmap font can do kerning | 04:27 |
| * javispedro answers himself by overriding y_offset to 0 and watching the rendering of ay at diferent baselines | 04:27 | |
| ali1234 | amiga fonts had this capability :) | 04:28 |
| RST38h | javispedro: for kerning of course | 04:35 |
| javispedro | yes, I was underestimating the capabilities of this (someone's homemade) font renderer. | 04:37 |
| javispedro | aha. | 04:38 |
| javispedro | and the winner of the day is.. | 04:38 |
| red | ah finally | 04:38 |
| red | i went to sleep and had a revelation | 04:38 |
| red | i had to mount it at //127.0.0.1/MyFiles | 04:39 |
| red | since samba isn't in the root, cause its MyFiles and Printers | 04:39 |
| red | damned windows way :P | 04:39 |
| javispedro | because of gcc's arm target's default unsignedness of chars, the font renderer was reading every offset_x value as a unsigned char, thus reading a offset_x value of "-1" (which makes sense) as "255" (which causes letters to randomly scatter along the screen) | 04:40 |
| javispedro | fun. | 04:40 |
| javispedro | mikkov: there? | 04:40 |
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| red | bwahah | 04:46 |
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| red | now i have samba shares on my n900, and i've symlinked dropbox there aswell | 04:47 |
| red | so dropping stuff into dropbox anywhere, are available on my phone from file manager :) | 04:47 |
| red | plus all my media at home naturally | 04:47 |
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| RST38h | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1642028/what-is-the-name-of-this-operator | 04:51 |
| javispedro | everything I remember about the SMB protocol is that I read a book about it which had an special addendum about "making good coffee", which was a prerequisite to understanding all the weird stuff in the protocol | 04:51 |
| javispedro | welcome to the world of tokens! | 04:52 |
| RST38h | Beautiful world of tokens where no token is what it seems to be! | 04:53 |
| javispedro | I love how they had to break their own rules just to parse >>.. | 04:53 |
| javispedro | (in C++) | 04:53 |
| RST38h | what is >>.. BTW? =) | 04:54 |
| javispedro | good example =) | 04:54 |
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| javispedro | ah, I just broke the depth test in tuxracer... watching tux's "internals". | 04:56 |
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| xander21c | Hi guys, is there a way to run java apps such as qq im client on n900 with maemo 5?? | 05:00 |
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| Pavel | Hmm... On an N900 keyboard, generating a random-character US-QWERTY-typable password that excludes characters that require the Sym menu and give 1/4 weight to characters that require either Shift key yields 6 bits of entropy per character, or only 10% less than ordinary QWERTY. | 05:04 |
| hd1 | xander: ISTR a qq plugin for gaim? | 05:05 |
| red | can i somehow get aliases to work in sudo gainroot mode? | 05:05 |
| red | .profile works for normal terminal | 05:05 |
| red | but home/user .profile isnt read for root | 05:06 |
| red | nor is /root/.profile | 05:06 |
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| red | i added them into roots .bashrc | 05:10 |
| red | and source /root/.bashrc | 05:10 |
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| red | it changed the command line name to Nokia-N900-42-11 | 05:10 |
| red | hope thats the only side-effect | 05:11 |
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| Vratha | hi | 05:14 |
| mikkov | javispedro: so you solved the broken menus in tuxracer | 05:15 |
| mikkov | tuxracer uses stencil buffer for depth test | 05:15 |
| mikkov | it has to be set with -DUSE_STENCIL_BUFFER | 05:16 |
| mikkov | compile time | 05:16 |
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| Tobarja | is anyone aware of a decent competing device to the n8X0/n900 products? | 06:06 |
| Pavel | Tobarja: Competing on what? | 06:08 |
| Tobarja | small, wifi, touchscreen, plethora of apps | 06:10 |
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| Pavel | Tobarja: Well, in that respect, pretty much all Android phones and iPhones fit the bill. | 06:19 |
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| luke-jr | he said decent | 06:20 |
| Pavel | luke-jr: Fair enough. | 06:20 |
| luke-jr | :p | 06:20 |
| Pavel | Tobarja: Strike the iPhones from that list. | 06:20 |
| luke-jr | lol | 06:21 |
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| Vratha | Pavel: if you want a great experience and tons of apps: iPhone. if you want a middle-of-the-road system that can do a bit of what the iPhone does and a bit of what the n900 does: nexus one. if you want a horrible user experience but a phone completely capable of running desktop/server apps: n900 | 06:50 |
| Pavel | Vratha: Sigh... I know, I was half-joking. For certain definitions of "great" and "experience", anyway. | 06:51 |
| Pavel | Vratha: Not getting into that discussion at the moment. | 06:52 |
| Aranel | Warning: This package does not have the required bugtracker link specified! what is this? | 07:08 |
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| sobczyk | hi, is it possible to buy the screen replacement for n900? (not the lcd) | 07:33 |
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| lucent | sobczyk: I don't understand | 07:38 |
| lucent | sobczyk: you want a replacement to get rid of scratches i.e. ? | 07:38 |
| sobczyk | plastic cover | 07:38 |
| sobczyk | yes | 07:38 |
| lucent | sobczyk: I have read the talk of developers who claim it is inexpensive to buy and easy to replace | 07:39 |
| lucent | I'm clueless about the sourcing of such a thing | 07:39 |
| lucent | who would you contact? | 07:39 |
| sobczyk | great to hear I noticed first scrach and wanted to find out whether I should be more careful or just buy replacement | 07:40 |
| lucent | sobczyk: I might be dreaming this but I remember reading it was like $60usd | 07:40 |
| lucent | you also need tools and so on to disassemble the device | 07:41 |
| lucent | sobczyk: From my own experience I do know that I like the Zagg "InvisibleShield" body protector and screen protector on my N900, they prevent scratches and are one-time applications | 07:42 |
| sobczyk | I bought a protector but it was horrible to apply and left air bubbles and some dust | 07:42 |
| lucent | yeah | 07:42 |
| lucent | all screen protectors are difficult to apply | 07:43 |
| sobczyk | nokia should have made the default one see through | 07:43 |
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| lucent | my good experience with the Zagg InvisibleShield is that air bubbles disappeared after a few days, and I like the "grippy" texture it adds | 07:43 |
| lucent | applying it was a real panic, I hate doing that and am glad I only need to do it once | 07:44 |
| sobczyk | I'll look for some protectors though might be tough to get a dedictaed one since I' in s korea | 07:44 |
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| lucent | sobczyk: A slip cover helps too, because it can prevent the camera lens cover from opening in your pocket | 07:45 |
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| lucent | scratching the camera lens would be a problem | 07:45 |
| debian-san | Hi | 07:45 |
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| sobczyk | though now I know I can buy the front screen so I don't need to worry so much about the phone | 07:47 |
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| fureddo | A small question concerning the naming of a package... I wonder how the name is built. Is it built from the changelog file in the debian directory? | 07:50 |
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| lucent | fureddo: it's built from ... how to answer this properly, I must refer to the debian maintenance packaging guide | 07:51 |
| fureddo | Is the name generated from the string in the changelog file containing "unstablel urgency=low" line. | 07:51 |
| lucent | partially | 07:51 |
| lucent | there's a list of packages to build from the source package | 07:52 |
| lucent | the source package name is built from the directory name of the original sources before building source package for debian | 07:52 |
| lucent | fureddo: this is for Ubuntu but it is large friendly type and you might find your answer quickly => https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide | 07:53 |
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| fureddo | Ok, *reading* | 07:53 |
| fureddo | Found it! Thanks | 07:54 |
| fureddo | I have an application that works on both Diablo and Fremantle. I wonder if I should name it with a suffix -fremantle or not. | 07:55 |
| fureddo | Or -diablo. | 07:55 |
| pupnik | very nice battery survival leaving n900 on overnight - 5 hours resulted in 35 pct drain, leaving irssi open with 12 channels | 07:56 |
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| lucent | fureddo: if you follow what Ubuntu does, then the naming can be similar to foo_X.Y.Z-0diablo1~armel.deb or similar | 07:57 |
| pupnik | what is crushing me is the zoutube and gpodder | 07:57 |
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| pupnik | python and pulseaudio and media | 07:58 |
| lucent | pupnik: wifi chipset is nearly always disabled on my N900 | 07:58 |
| fureddo | I'm looking in the repositories now and it doesn't seem like it's very important. | 07:58 |
| lucent | it's not worth the hit in battery life | 07:58 |
| pupnik | that would disable the devuce for me lucent | 07:59 |
| pupnik | heh n810 is playing a podcast two rooms away in bathroom and perfectly listenable | 08:00 |
| fureddo | Maybe -maemoX would be more appropriate for Fremantle. I don't know what would be the X though. It's a number but which one? | 08:01 |
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| pupnik | 5 is fremantle | 08:02 |
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| lucent | fureddo: a rather verbose example of a custom package for Ubuntu => cdda2wav_2.01.01a76-0ubuntu1~ppa1_i386.deb | 08:02 |
| lucent | in this example "ppa" is personal package archive to indicate it's not official | 08:02 |
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| pupnik | any chance to get a disk space usage estimate of / (rootfs) from app manager? | 08:16 |
| lucent | from HAM? not possible I think | 08:17 |
| lucent | 'df -sh /' from xterminal is how I do it | 08:17 |
| lucent | no way to estimate reliably how much rootfs space will be used | 08:17 |
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| pupnik | so i see a lot of use for a mobile browser that aggressively discards non-content | 08:20 |
| pupnik | recently using elinks-lite more | 08:20 |
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| pupnik | pupnik.de will never chew your battery :) | 08:26 |
| GAN900 | Ugh, freaking geneven. | 08:28 |
| GAN900 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?=565771&postcount=30 | 08:29 |
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| pupnik | updating 10 packages takes an hour of my time, clicking, switching, | 08:34 |
| pupnik | bogging down system | 08:35 |
| Aranel | Some guy added himself as Maintainer for my package, is it possible? And how can I make sure if he uploads something bad? | 08:41 |
| pupnik | that only happens if you orphaned it | 08:43 |
| Aranel | orphaned? | 08:43 |
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| pupnik | stopped maintaining | 08:46 |
| Aranel | I did not update package -because it was not needed- for ~a month but I'm not stopping anything =) | 08:47 |
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| Aranel | Can I remove him? | 08:47 |
| Aranel | I would not care if someone with enough privilege (a Nokia staff, someone from Maemo Team etc.) get Maintainer access, but he's someone with karma points of 3. So, removing is better option =) | 08:49 |
| pupnik | then i dont understand it | 08:51 |
| pupnik | random people can not just add themselves | 08:52 |
| pupnik | make him a contributor perhaps | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | Aranel: mail to maemo-community about it | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | not first weird instance i've seen | 08:54 |
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| Aranel | Stskeeps: sending now | 08:56 |
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| Stskeeps | lo johnx | 09:03 |
| johnx | hey Stskeeps | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | how's it going? | 09:03 |
| johnx | pretty good | 09:03 |
| johnx | had a release at work this last week | 09:03 |
| johnx | loads of fun | 09:03 |
| johnx | obviously I've totally lost my mind because I just finished putting debian+windowmaker back on my zaurus | 09:04 |
| Trizt | at least you didn't try to install ms-something | 09:04 |
| johnx | well, I'm crazy, not masochistic | 09:05 |
| Trizt | :) | 09:05 |
| johnx | anyone know a good super small syslog replacement? | 09:06 |
| Aranel | pupnik: Stskeeps: sent :) waiting for approval. Thanks for the help. | 09:06 |
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| Trizt | johnx; maybe metalog, not sure never use it myself, source package is just 276450 | 09:11 |
| johnx | thanks | 09:12 |
| johnx | I'll check it out | 09:12 |
| Trizt | http://metalog.sourceforge.net | 09:12 |
| johnx | need to make 64MB go as far as possible if I'm going to have a comfortable user space :) | 09:12 |
| * Trizt nods | 09:13 | |
| luke-jr | is metalog actively maintained again? | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: busybox circular syslogd | 09:13 |
| Trizt | luke-jr; no clue, it's still in portage | 09:14 |
| johnx | luke-jr, last release was less than a year ago | 09:14 |
| johnx | and it was version 1 so ... maybe? | 09:15 |
| johnx | I guess I'll put in sysklogd for now and look at drastic options later | 09:15 |
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| lucent | johnx: metalog is really amazing but I think it is heavyweight | 09:25 |
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| johnx | yeah, actually it seems heavier than sysklogd | 09:26 |
| lucent | and as I'm reading the peanut gallery commentary now, perhaps not actively maintained | 09:26 |
| johnx | and since I need cron (or something cron-like anyways) I don't gain anything by having built-in log rotation | 09:26 |
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| lucent | johnx: I would look at whatever puppylinux uses? | 09:27 |
| johnx | ah, good thought | 09:27 |
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| johnx | and they use sysklogd I think, so that answers that | 09:35 |
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| johnx | interesting note: in mac-land ctrl+w is "delete one word" and in linux land it's typically "close tab or window" | 09:36 |
| johnx | ah, nevermind: they use busybox syslogd which doesn't even accept configuration ... maybe I'll pass on that | 09:37 |
| pgas | ctrl-w is usually delete one word in a terminal | 09:37 |
| johnx | yup. and in emacs. and in firefox on the mac | 09:38 |
| johnx | however, no matter how much I train myself I still screw up from time to time | 09:38 |
| johnx | especially funny is that I use synergy to hook this linux box and the mac directly to its right together and share one keyboard between them both | 09:39 |
| luke-jr | "delete one word", "close tab or window"... SAME THING DUH | 09:39 |
| johnx | this of course frequently leads to hilarity | 09:39 |
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| johnx | luke-jr, I think that's a special case :P | 09:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | heh, ctrl-c also does different things in a terminal and in shortcut-aware input | 10:39 |
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| lucent | shortcut-aware wtf? | 10:40 |
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| lucent | drag'n'drop aware or um... keybindings | 10:40 |
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| lucent | GnomeTerminal on Ubuntu has a trick for the cutsel buffers of X11 and Gtk, one is Shift+Insert the other Ctrl+Shift+c/v | 10:41 |
| lucent | I don't think it applies to the xterminal in maemo | 10:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ctrl-shift-c/v alas doesn't work in maemo xterm it seems | 10:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | but hey, maemo isn't even aware of ctrl-alt-del ;-P | 10:42 |
| lucent | nor should it be | 10:42 |
| lucent | on N900 there is no hw key for delete | 10:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, I'd *love* to have a alt key, and a del key as well | 10:43 |
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| lucent | delete key is mapped often in games and also I think in microb for about:config | 10:44 |
| lucent | it's annoying. | 10:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually the missing alt is a friggin pita sometimes | 10:44 |
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| LuciusMare | Hi, any app in repos to read flac id3 tags? | 10:44 |
| lucent | LuciusMare: id3 in flac? wtf is that | 10:45 |
| lucent | what program can produce such nonsense | 10:45 |
| LuciusMare | then what meta information does flac use? | 10:45 |
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| lucent | flac is flac. You can store ID3 or OGG tags I suppose in a block | 10:46 |
| LuciusMare | I assumed from this description of tag editor: "Can edit id3 tags in mp3, flac and many others" | 10:46 |
| lucent | okay | 10:46 |
| lucent | well it's a simple description | 10:46 |
| lucent | better description "Can edit tags in mp3, flac and many others" | 10:47 |
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| LuciusMare | okay, so is there any app in repos that can read tags in flac? | 10:47 |
| fureddo | I have just uploaded successfully my application. Could anyone test it? The package is named tomotko-0.11.2-9fremantle0 in extras-devel. | 10:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't it even more simple ? ;-P | 10:47 |
| lucent | DocScrutinizer: bail water, or swim, thanks! | 10:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly 3chars plus a space simpler | 10:48 |
| lucent | LuciusMare: "metaflac" from flac tools should do it, let me check repos to see if I have it | 10:48 |
| LuciusMare | i know just metaflac, but that is not in repos | 10:49 |
| LuciusMare | oh. | 10:49 |
| LuciusMare | shouldnt be hard to port | 10:49 |
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| lucent | rage.... N900 drops cellular internet connection | 10:49 |
| pupnik | how do we fix broken dsp-codecs upgrade? | 10:49 |
| lucent | requires that I reboot before it will work again | 10:49 |
| pupnik | reconnects for me | 10:49 |
| johnx | lucent, so far the last two places I've lived have been in t-mo deadzones | 10:50 |
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| LuciusMare | what the hell | 10:50 |
| johnx | lucent, does the phone part still work? | 10:50 |
| lucent | johnx: same here I use t-mobile yet the problem I have is I am sitting stationary, my N900 in hand. It will not connect to net but phone does work | 10:50 |
| LuciusMare | my tablet suddenly "forgot" how to play flac files :o | 10:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | lucent: o.O ??? | 10:50 |
| lucent | johnx: if I reboot, it will connect to internet | 10:50 |
| lucent | must be driver or maemo problem | 10:51 |
| pupnik | did you do dsp-codecs upgrade lucent ? | 10:51 |
| pupnik | LuciusMare: | 10:51 |
| johnx | lucent, is it doing it now? | 10:51 |
| lucent | johnx: right now yeah is there info you want? | 10:51 |
| lucent | "Internet connection failed. Try again?" | 10:51 |
| johnx | yeah. do you have a couple minutes? | 10:51 |
| lucent | yes! would love to | 10:51 |
| LuciusMare | Wow, i cant play anything, and no, i didnt do anything | 10:51 |
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| LuciusMare | i just rebooted, and poof | 10:52 |
| LuciusMare | Not sure what messages are for me | 10:53 |
| LuciusMare | Did it also happen to you? | 10:53 |
| johnx | lucent, hmm, have you tried restarting network-manager? | 10:53 |
| johnx | also, before you do that, does dmesg say anything interesting? | 10:53 |
| lucent | johnx: I have not tried any commandline things | 10:53 |
| johnx | mind typing some things out for me? | 10:54 |
| lucent | no problem | 10:54 |
| johnx | first one: dmesg | 10:54 |
| lucent | nothing too obvious | 10:54 |
| LuciusMare | pupnik: ? | 10:55 |
| lucent | "gprs0: attached" "gprs0: dettached" | 10:55 |
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| lucent | johnx: my history does not go very far back in dmesg | 10:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | lucent: 3G? | 10:55 |
| johnx | so right now the cell data icon has a red / through it? | 10:55 |
| pupnik | did you do dsp-codecs upgrade LuciusMare ? | 10:55 |
| lucent | DocScrutinizer: 2.5G (EDGE) | 10:55 |
| johnx | lucas, you can try: dmesg > /home/user/MyDocs/ | 10:56 |
| lucent | johnx: visible icons are bars+2.5 | 10:56 |
| johnx | lucas, you can try: dmesg > /home/user/MyDocs/output.txt | 10:56 |
| johnx | sorry lucas :) mistabbed | 10:56 |
| lucent | johnx: cell data icon is not there | 10:56 |
| lucent | I can't connect, or reconnect, so I cancelled the attempt to retry | 10:56 |
| lucent | this is every day thing, if I were to reboot the phone, it would connect to cell data immediately no problem | 10:57 |
| johnx | but it can make calls and send SMS in this state? | 10:57 |
| johnx | does it tend to happen in a specific location? or at a specific time? | 10:57 |
| lucent | I just called voicemail and it worked correctly, I cannot check SMS | 10:57 |
| lucent | johnx: One example of when it happens is when I am inside a movie theater where I work, and I walk around with the phone and it loses data connection | 10:58 |
| pupnik | empires end because they expand the empire and bankrupt the country - Ron Paul | 10:58 |
| lucent | it would not be able to reconnect, so I would reboot my phone to make it work again | 10:58 |
| johnx | how long have you let it try to reconnect? | 10:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | lucent: your celltower's (BTS) GPRS config might suck | 10:58 |
| lucent | all afternoon, today. I wasn't too interested to play with my phone tonight | 10:59 |
| lucent | never gets right | 10:59 |
| johnx | do you have rootsh installed? | 10:59 |
| lucent | yep | 10:59 |
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| johnx | just for fun, become root and type: /etc/init.d/icd2 restart | 10:59 |
| lucent | okay | 11:00 |
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| lucent | johnx: waiting... data icon is flashing wait for connect, and went away. | 11:01 |
| johnx | fun stuff | 11:01 |
| johnx | got one more trick up my sleeve | 11:02 |
| lucent | poking internet connection to see if it will go.... | 11:02 |
| LuciusMare | reflash? | 11:02 |
| johnx | lucent, did this happen from day one? | 11:02 |
| lucent | "Cellular network not available" and fail | 11:02 |
| lucent | johnx: yep | 11:02 |
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| johnx | have you ever reflashed and/or upgraded? | 11:02 |
| lucent | johnx: yes. I've upgraded when updates come out. I "think" that some updates were better behaved than others | 11:03 |
| lucent | no idea how to say if it was the updates or not | 11:03 |
| johnx | hmm... | 11:03 |
| johnx | I'm looking for the right module to unload | 11:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | lucent: you ever transmitted a single byte over GPRS? | 11:03 |
| johnx | I had a weird issue where it would periodically "lose track" of my SIM | 11:04 |
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| lucent | DocScrutinizer: I don't understand, I have internet service with T-Mobile and no 3G service in my area, so I use it for web browsing | 11:04 |
| lucent | that is more than a single byte | 11:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it worked at times | 11:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | -> no misconfig of AP name etc | 11:05 |
| lucent | works every day. If I reboot the phone, it will work again | 11:05 |
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| johnx | and dies in low coverage area then doesn't come back? | 11:05 |
| lucent | johnx: It would seem so | 11:06 |
| lucent | johnx: just losing coverage does not always kill the connection "forever" | 11:06 |
| LuciusMare | sorry for interrupting, but is it safe to update from command line by "apt-get upgrade"? | 11:06 |
| johnx | LuciusMare, not for Nokia-provided updates | 11:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | always heard it's highly deprecated | 11:07 |
| johnx | HAM does some strange stuff for them sometimes | 11:07 |
| LuciusMare | heh | 11:07 |
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| johnx | lucent, try: modprobe -r ssi_mcsaab_imp | 11:07 |
| johnx | then: modprobe ssi_mcsaab_imp | 11:08 |
| LuciusMare | because, i cant play any files with the mediaplayer, says "unsupported file type" | 11:08 |
| johnx | and this was after an upgrade and reboot? | 11:08 |
| * lucent whips out his index fingers | 11:08 | |
| johnx | what have you installed recently? | 11:08 |
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| LuciusMare | johnx: talking to me? | 11:09 |
| fureddo | I have no device. Could someone tell me if my application can install and run fine, please. The application is tomotko-0.11.2-9fremantle0 in extras-devel. | 11:09 |
| lucent | johnx: okay, module unloaded, status box icon has something new which is like a crossed-out SIM card | 11:09 |
| johnx | lucas, yup | 11:10 |
| johnx | fureddo, one sec | 11:10 |
| fureddo | johnx, Take your time. | 11:10 |
| lucent | johnx: what to do now, should I reload that module? | 11:11 |
| johnx | yup | 11:11 |
| johnx | interestingly, mine didn't find my SIM again :) | 11:11 |
| johnx | (I was working along with you) | 11:11 |
| lucent | johnx: mine neither, for the moment | 11:12 |
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| lucent | still icon of crossed out SIM | 11:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | johnx: flight mode and back to full? | 11:12 |
| johnx | that probably would have been simpler, you're right | 11:12 |
| LuciusMare | johnx: well, i didnt mess with the system at all, as i can remember, i just rebooted, and so i cant, maybe another reboot will fix it... | 11:13 |
| lucent | DocScrutinizer: it's a fact I've gone to flight mode and then back, it does not connect the cell internet again | 11:13 |
| johnx | also, I have a feeling flight mode doesn't unload that module | 11:14 |
| lucent | since my issue is a daily kind of thing, I can recall having done this a few times to try to work around | 11:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | LuciusMare: there's a known bug some video format kills the gfx engine, so you need to reboot | 11:14 |
| lucent | johnx: okay so I'm still simcard-disabled icon here | 11:14 |
| LuciusMare | hah. | 11:14 |
| LuciusMare | DocScrutinizer: thanks | 11:14 |
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| johnx | lucent, I just did the same to myself. :) first time I've tried this trick with the post-launch firmware | 11:14 |
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| johnx | gimma a sec to see if I can fix it for me, then I'll tell you what happens | 11:15 |
| lucent | no rush, let me know | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | lucent: I just meant to recover from sim-not-detected | 11:15 |
| lucent | DocScrutinizer: ah, okay, I've tried that now and no change. Great suggestion though | 11:16 |
| johnx | DocScrutinizer, no love for me either. Seems like the module doesn't get itself initialized properly the second time | 11:16 |
| johnx | though it used to ... | 11:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 11:16 |
| johnx | well, I'm out of my depth and out of ideas :) | 11:16 |
| johnx | lucent, you can at least tell nokia you don't think it's a problem with icd2 | 11:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | johnx: pnatd? | 11:17 |
| johnx | lucent, if you run: dmesg > /home/user/MyDocs/output.txt | 11:18 |
| johnx | I'd be interested in that output still | 11:18 |
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| lucent | all the thousands of times I open/close the slider, wow | 11:20 |
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| lucent | that would be an interesting statistic, how many open/close cycles are people doing with their phones hm | 11:20 |
| johnx | would be more fun to correlate actually: how many times people open close the slider vs how much they like the phone | 11:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's no "hugged" lines in syslog :-P | 11:21 |
| johnx | DocScrutinizer, we'll have to settle for detecting when they've thrown it at the floor (the lack thereof) using the accelerometer | 11:22 |
| lucent | johnx: I'm willing to provide dmesg output, yet I don't have any spider sense that it will be enlightening here. | 11:23 |
| johnx | heh. and I can't even get my SIM detected again :) | 11:23 |
| SpeedEvil | nokia is watching when I open and close my slider. | 11:23 |
| * johnx does not win the troubleshooting prize tonight | 11:23 | |
| lucent | you win the special No-lympics | 11:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: big brother is watching you - you opted in XP | 11:24 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if Nokia user monitor also reads out the various thermosensors in their devices ;-P | 11:25 | |
| asj_ | SpeedEvil: you installed the monitor thingy? I can't remember it's name | 11:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | they'd be amazed I guess | 11:25 |
| johnx | fureddo, as soon as I reboot I'll install tomotko | 11:25 |
| fureddo | Thanks | 11:25 |
| lucent | johnx: time to reboot. | 11:26 |
| johnx | yeah | 11:26 |
| johnx | that *worked* before | 11:26 |
| SpeedEvil | asj_: yes | 11:26 |
| johnx | it even picked my SIM up again after the phone had lost track of it ... | 11:26 |
| * johnx sulks | 11:26 | |
| lucent | johnx: I think one of the recent Nokia updates broke stuff again for me | 11:27 |
| asj_ | SpeedEvil: me too, I wonder if they'll ever publish anything from it | 11:27 |
| SpeedEvil | asj_: would be interesting. | 11:27 |
| lucent | there was a good couple of weeks (that I remember, vaugely) where everything always worked | 11:27 |
| SpeedEvil | asj_: but I doubt it | 11:27 |
| johnx | can't think of anything you did differently that couple weeks? using/not using some feature? different location? | 11:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | lucent: one last idea: you ever tried to force the modem to 2G mode? | 11:28 |
| lucent | DocScrutinizer: uh... how to do that? | 11:28 |
| asj_ | SpeedEvil: it could be bad, "avg battery life: 12 hours" | 11:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, I got "2G" "3G" "DUAL" buttons in systray menu | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly some applet | 11:28 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: 2g/3g switcher IIRC | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, sounds about right | 11:29 |
| lucent | johnx: the connection-related items I have are "Dummy" (registered download from the Nokia dev website) and WifiSwitcher to turn off wifi chipset | 11:29 |
| lucent | I had these tools always, though | 11:29 |
| johnx | yeah, but I'm thinking anything. Remember, it's a whole system on one chip | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | chances are the modem somehow locks up in 3G in areas where 2G is weak and 3G not even applicable | 11:30 |
| johnx | bluetooth, fmtx, letting the battery run down more often, being near different towers | 11:30 |
| lucent | DocScrutinizer: interesting then | 11:30 |
| johnx | being away from other cell towers | 11:30 |
| lucent | cell towers would be a huge variance where I am | 11:30 |
| lucent | AT&T runs the town with towers | 11:30 |
| lucent | T-Mobile's closest retail store is 78 miles away | 11:31 |
| johnx | well, I'm mainly thinking if you were on vacation the two weeks it worked or something :) | 11:31 |
| lucent | johnx: for your information, I reboot the N900, now it is connected to cellular internet | 11:31 |
| lucent | ha | 11:31 |
| lucent | just saying, I haven't moved my fat ass from the chair and only change is reboot the device | 11:32 |
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| * DocScrutinizer thinks the issue may appear each time tmo is weak and the modem roams to at&t | 11:32 | |
| DocScrutinizer | or from 2G to 3G | 11:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | then never recovers from that | 11:33 |
| johnx | that's why I really wanted to try and get that stupid module to reload happily :| | 11:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | carriers borked ther network config wrt roaming maybe | 11:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | USA is braindamaged with using 3G on GSM classic bands anyway | 11:34 |
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| lucent | s/braindamaged/profit-motivated/g | 11:35 |
| johnx | eh, the whole world frequency allocation is stupidly screwed up | 11:35 |
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| johnx | fureddo, looks great! want a screenshot or two? | 11:36 |
| fureddo | johnx, Sure. You still have my email address somewhere? | 11:37 |
| johnx | let me check | 11:37 |
| fureddo | johnx, It's not complete yet. More polish is needed. | 11:37 |
| johnx | yup, got it. any specific requests? | 11:38 |
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| johnx | also: you should elbow Nokia and try and get them to give you an N900 to test with :) | 11:38 |
| fureddo | johnx, Nothing else for now. Just wanted to know if the application can install itself, run, and uninstall properly. | 11:39 |
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| fureddo | johnx, That's a good idea. Don't know who to contact specifically for that though. | 11:39 |
| lcuk | fureddo, what app is it and what language did you write it in? its good to see people trying to target the platform even without devices | 11:39 |
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| johnx | all the menu items have "? / " in front of them. is that intentional? | 11:40 |
| fureddo | Are you using PR1.1? | 11:40 |
| * lcuk sits up at big computer for first time in 3 days | 11:40 | |
| fureddo | lcuk, For more details: http://tomotko.sourceforge.net | 11:41 |
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| fureddo | lcuk, It's written in C++/Qt-4.6 | 11:41 |
| johnx | wow. while trying to install a screenshot app I managed to kill the app manager, but your application seems nice and stable ;) | 11:41 |
| lcuk | cool beans then | 11:41 |
| lcuk | johnx, SHIFT+CTRL+P automatic built in screenshot tool | 11:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | johnx: muhaha | 11:42 |
| lucent | ha, Zaurus love. I bought a C3100 when that was new, and a C3000 before it. I sold those and remember the Zaurus well. | 11:42 |
| fureddo | johnx. I think your ? bug is related to this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40875 | 11:42 |
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| fureddo | johnx, The ? bug should not be there anymore on this version. | 11:43 |
| johnx | ah, maybe I don't have the latest version then. let me check | 11:43 |
| * DocScrutinizer suggests a df -h / to johnx | 11:44 | |
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| johnx | DocScrutinizer, a whopping 29.9M left on / :P | 11:44 |
| fureddo | johnx, The latest version is found in extras-devel and named tomotko 0.11.2-9fremantle0. | 11:44 |
| johnx | nah, it's more of an id10T error I think | 11:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 11:44 |
| johnx | I didn't do an update before doing the install | 11:45 |
| * lcuk hopes to give johnx more space soon :) | 11:45 | |
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| johnx | did anyone do boot from SD yet? | 11:45 |
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| fureddo | johnx, I have uploaded it 1 hou and a half ago. | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet Stskeeps did | 11:45 |
| lcuk | im not sure about maemo itself, mer does | 11:45 |
| johnx | lcuk, <_< | 11:45 |
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| lcuk | i think theres issues because the rootfs and opt are in different places | 11:46 |
| pupnik | johnx youd be good on community too | 11:46 |
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| johnx | hey, wow! one update available and it's tomotko :) | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr, how's boot supposed to care? | 11:46 |
| johnx | pupnik, hmm? community what? | 11:47 |
| pupnik | community council | 11:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: isn't location of /opt a mere question of kernel mounting the right thing? | 11:47 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, its not, but on boot it configures the /opt stuff and so oyu would have 2 OSes sharing one /opt path | 11:47 |
| johnx | that smacks of effort | 11:47 |
| pupnik | not much, more chatting and some pr | 11:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: aah, right | 11:48 |
| pupnik | DocScrutinizer: you too | 11:48 |
| johnx | pupnik, I don't really want to do PR :) I'd rather hack on dead-end stuff like usual | 11:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: err what? | 11:48 |
| * lcuk is pleased the pills have worked today | 11:49 | |
| pupnik | you have a good feel for what the core community likes, what differentiates the product class.. | 11:49 |
| lucent | johnx: I did not say it before, Thank You. | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: my karma is negative ;-P | 11:49 |
| johnx | lucent, no worries :) | 11:49 |
| * lcuk goes lying down to sleep whilst i can | 11:49 | |
| lcuk | cyas later | 11:49 |
| pupnik | hah nice job | 11:49 |
| johnx | lucent, just glad I didn't brick both our phones playing amateur detective :D | 11:49 |
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| johnx | 'later lcuk | 11:50 |
| lucent | it's somewhat reassuring to know I'm not the only one to experience a problem | 11:50 |
| pupnik | ttah lcuk | 11:50 |
| fureddo | Bye lcuk | 11:50 |
| johnx | pupnik, I might have a feel for it, but honestly I'm looking forward to doing projects where I don't have to make anyone else happy | 11:50 |
| pupnik | oki | 11:51 |
| dregin | sales driven dev is such pain | 11:51 |
| dregin | as opposed to research driven | 11:51 |
| pupnik | its not like you become an unpaid dev for t.m.o | 11:51 |
| johnx | I do IT at work. I make things work behind the scenes, I make people happy, and I don't resent my users or anything, but I don't have the energy to do it from home after work as well | 11:52 |
| pupnik | gotcha | 11:52 |
| johnx | also, if I get into any project that faces users I tend to automatically try to make them happy :) I'm actually looking forward to doing something obscure | 11:53 |
| johnx | like debian for toasters or wall plugs or something | 11:53 |
| lucent | I think the sport of curling is obscure. | 11:54 |
| lucent | johnx: are you a coder? | 11:54 |
| dregin | pro curler | 11:54 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders where on this planet it's xmas time, as he gets credit all the time for 2 days now XP | 11:54 | |
| dregin | that'd look deadly on the CV :P | 11:54 |
| johnx | lucent, more like a hacker? or something? | 11:54 |
| lucent | dregin: specify? hair stylist or olymian? | 11:54 |
| lucent | *olympian | 11:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually people like to hate me rather :-) | 11:54 |
| dregin | BOTH | 11:54 |
| johnx | actually I think my friend's roommate does curling ... | 11:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | johnx: rtos for toilet paper | 11:56 |
| johnx | DocScrutinizer, they have that already | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | shit | 11:56 |
| johnx | or was that a book? | 11:57 |
| johnx | it was something about sensors for measuring your diet by what comes out the other end or something | 11:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, ebook reader is a poor toilet paper :-P | 11:57 |
| johnx | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilets_in_Japan#Future_developments | 11:58 |
| lucent | dregin: make it more exciting, instead of "brushers" you have clients on chairs and portable salon equipment | 11:58 |
| lucent | hot air hair dryers, curling irons | 11:58 |
| fureddo | johnx, Have you updated the application? | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | been there, seen that :-D | 11:58 |
| lucent | hair clippings to slow the stone | 11:58 |
| lucent | the potential for van-gough-worthy bodily injury due to a misplaced scissors | 11:59 |
| dregin | the potential for this is endless | 11:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | even think I took a photo before a *had* to use one of those | 11:59 |
| johnx | fureddo, I tried to but it told that some dependencies were "missing." HAM (application manager) didn't want to upgrade my copy of libqt4-maemo5-svg and friends. I did an apt-get upgrade and it pulled in new versions | 11:59 |
| johnx | going to try the tomotko update again | 11:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ok, admittedly wasn't Japan, just Taipei | 12:00 |
| johnx | lucent, ooooh. find some way to involve straight razor shaving | 12:00 |
| lucent | johnx: not this year, don't trust Canada to host such a thing | 12:01 |
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| johnx | wait, aren't the olympics over? | 12:01 |
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| lucent | johnx: not for the Russians | 12:02 |
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| lucent | the defeat will continue to crush them | 12:02 |
| * lucent adds a trailing echo "...indefinitely.... indefinitely...." | 12:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer | johnx: (taipei toilet) was more like that one: http://www.techradar.com/news/world-of-tech/future-tech/panasonic-super-toilet-knows-what-you-want-470448 | 12:04 |
| fureddo | johnx, I'm going to eat dinner. Will be back in 40-50 minutes. I hope you will still be there. | 12:05 |
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| lbt_ | o/ | 12:06 |
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| lucent | unrelated question, what is the point of a directory that has permissions 000 ? | 12:06 |
| johnx | fureddo, I'm running into weird dependency issues. (then off to bed) | 12:06 |
| johnx | lucent, keeping things *really* safe :) | 12:07 |
| lucent | from WHAT! | 12:07 |
| fureddo | johnx, Hmmm... I hope that tomotko doesn't screw your device... | 12:07 |
| johnx | fureddo, nah. don't worry about that :) | 12:07 |
| johnx | it seems like apt is actually confused | 12:07 |
| johnx | I'm trying to figure out why | 12:07 |
| lucent | I'm reading this from an old Debian GNU/Linux install, it's like a path of /var/cache/setup-tool-backends/debug with permissions root.root 000 | 12:07 |
| fureddo | johnx, Ok. See you later. Or another day then. | 12:08 |
| johnx | all the dependencies look satisfied, but it's still insisting it won't install | 12:08 |
| lucent | boggles. my. mind. | 12:08 |
| johnx | 'later fureddo | 12:08 |
| johnx | maybe an easy way to prevent it getting grepped? or executed? | 12:08 |
| lbt | lucent: many tools will consider permissions | 12:08 |
| lbt | so eg root running vi on a non-w file | 12:09 |
| lbt | vi will ask "are you sure" | 12:09 |
| johnx | or ... maybe the debian guys had something to hide from the local root user? | 12:09 |
| lucent | har | 12:09 |
| johnx | probably a map to hidden treasure | 12:09 |
| johnx | or terrorist plans | 12:09 |
| johnx | or a terrorist treasure map | 12:10 |
| lucent | I'd lean towards suspicion of debian terrorist plans | 12:10 |
| lucent | the 'treasure map' leads to FreeBSD installation | 12:10 |
| johnx | we will terrorize you with obsessively stable releases! and the specter of ooooold desktop environments | 12:10 |
| lucent | I was just glad that the hard disk corruption landed on the part of the ext3 filesystem that contained debian stuff, and not corrupting my user files | 12:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | johnx: lucent: mointpoint comes to mind. Also "lost+found" alike folders used by the fs itself | 12:13 |
| johnx | wow bummer. haven't hit fs corruption on linux recently | 12:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not in /var/cache/setup-tool-backends/debug though | 12:14 |
| johnx | and by recently, I mean in the last 10 years (that wasn't actually caused by hardware) | 12:14 |
| lucent | DocScrutinizer: lost+found is usually 700 | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 12:14 |
| lucent | 000 permissions might be result of fs corruption | 12:15 |
| lucent | not entirely certain :( | 12:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | lucent: just a freewheeling brainstorming | 12:15 |
| lucent | I just want to recover my raver music to load on N900, and some clever source code I wrote a couple years ago | 12:15 |
| johnx | fureddo, well, I guess this proves I'm mildly dyslexic. For the life of me I could't understand how it could complain about: "tomotko: Depends: libtq4-maemo5-gui but it is not installable" when libqt4-maemo5-gui was installed and updated ... :) | 12:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | */debug might mean it's home of files that pass their handles to userland any other means than usual fs-access | 12:16 |
| wazd | hello everyone | 12:16 |
| johnx | hey wazd | 12:16 |
| johnx | how's it going? | 12:16 |
| wazd | johnx: oh! long time no see :) | 12:17 |
| johnx | yeah :D | 12:17 |
| johnx | what have you been up to? | 12:17 |
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| wazd | johnx: aw, I have a terrible times with my work :) | 12:18 |
| wazd | johnx: too much :) | 12:19 |
| johnx | bummer. sorry to hear about that. we just finished at release at work this, so I'm ready to relax a bit | 12:19 |
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| johnx | then I have a super-fun mail server transition (yay!) | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | lucent: heh, maybe it's a mere blocker directory stopping all processes from creating debug/foo files | 12:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | lucent: also there might be ACLs attached to override simple permissions | 12:21 |
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| johnx | or giving root write permissions on it is the way to enable debugging :) | 12:22 |
| johnx | easier than parsing config files | 12:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | johnx: that's what I meant to say | 12:24 |
| johnx | kinda makes me want to design whole systems that just infer things because certain files are present and have permissions set to certain things | 12:24 |
| johnx | but then again, that was the whole sysvinit system, right? :D | 12:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 12:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | touch /fastboot | 12:26 |
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| johnx | but make sure it has the sticky bit set and is setgid with the group "fans.of.johnx" | 12:28 |
| johnx | now we're talking | 12:28 |
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| fureddo | johnx, I'm back. Any progress? | 12:31 |
| * johnx repastes | 12:32 | |
| johnx | fureddo, well, I guess this proves I'm mildly dyslexic. For the life of me I could't understand how it could complain about: "tomotko: Depends: libtq4-maemo5-gui but it is not installable" when libqt4-maemo5-gui was installed and updated ... :) | 12:32 |
| fureddo | johnx, Ok, so it's qt instead of tq... | 12:32 |
| fureddo | johnx, So the mistake is on my side then, right? | 12:33 |
| johnx | yup | 12:33 |
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| fureddo | johnx, Ok, I will upload a new version right away. | 12:34 |
| johnx | I assume it'll have to go through the builder again? | 12:36 |
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| fureddo | johnx, Yes, I'm uploading at the moment. | 12:38 |
| johnx | how long do things take to get through the builder these days? | 12:39 |
| fureddo | johnx, It's faster than it used to be, I think. It should be ready in 10 minutes. | 12:39 |
| johnx | wow | 12:39 |
| johnx | alright. I'll stick around and test | 12:40 |
| fureddo | johnx, What time is it for you? | 12:40 |
| johnx | 2:40AM :) | 12:40 |
| fureddo | johnx, That's late! Thank you so much. | 12:41 |
| johnx | I'm up anyways | 12:41 |
| johnx | reading codinghorror, watching my zaurus compile xorg | 12:41 |
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| fureddo | johnx, Wow, compiling on the zaurus... That must take an eternity. | 12:42 |
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| johnx | we'll find out | 12:42 |
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| johnx | otherwise it just sits there anyways | 12:42 |
| johnx | this SD card is faster than the one I used to use, and xorg has gotten smaller since they modularized it | 12:42 |
| johnx | might only take half a day if I remember | 12:42 |
| johnx | (as long as it doesn't bail out somewhere) | 12:43 |
| fureddo | johnx, Yeah, now that you have a N900, nothing much to do with the Zaurus, I guess. | 12:43 |
| johnx | actually. the n800 obsoleted the zaurus | 12:43 |
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| johnx | 64MB is too cramped for web browsing | 12:43 |
| johnx | *of RAM | 12:43 |
| johnx | 128MB is kind of a bare minimum I think | 12:43 |
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| fureddo | johnx, I see. I still use my Zaurus daily. | 12:44 |
| johnx | any browsing? | 12:44 |
| johnx | (also, the charging/battery circuitry in mine got wet, so it pretty much needs to be plugged in to run for more than 20 minutes) | 12:44 |
| pgas | links2 -g works great with little ram, but it's not suitable for web2.0 | 12:44 |
| fureddo | fureddo, No, not at all. Mainly toMOTko, japanese dictionnary (ZTen) and agenda. | 12:44 |
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| johnx | I need to find a good lightweight RSS reader with graphics | 12:45 |
| johnx | then I'd be a lot happier | 12:45 |
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| Stskeeps | osso-rss-feed-reader? | 12:47 |
| johnx | pulls in gecko doesn't it? | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | maybe | 12:47 |
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| Stskeeps | point taken | 12:47 |
| johnx | but it is open source, right? | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 12:48 |
| johnx | I wonder if it works with that switchable browser engine EAL thing | 12:48 |
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| millenomi | argh. stupid IRC clients dying on me as I make announcements. | 12:50 |
| millenomi | did my previous one get through? | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | not sire | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 12:50 |
| millenomi | then I'll repeat just in case. | 12:50 |
| millenomi | ahem | 12:50 |
| johnx | I don't think so | 12:50 |
| johnx | was your announcement "ping timeout"? :) | 12:50 |
| millenomi | lol | 12:50 |
| millenomi | no | 12:51 |
| millenomi | http://github.com/millenomi/cumin | 12:51 |
| millenomi | me being an iPhoneista trying a ton of approaches to cross-platform app dev. | 12:51 |
| fureddo | johnx, The application was built successfully. It's still not available. Should be in a few minutes. | 12:51 |
| millenomi | this is an Apple Core Foundationalike framework that is designed to be built via gcc -shared -o x.so *.c. no deps, no config, no nuthin'. | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 12:51 |
| millenomi | will mimic most CF stuff in time (data structures, run loops, stuff) and be designed for integration into foreign UI toolkits and run loops (say, Qt). | 12:52 |
| johnx | cool, so straight C? no, OOC? | 12:52 |
| millenomi | OO C. | 12:52 |
| millenomi | C89 all of it. | 12:52 |
| johnx | I'm not enough of a programmer (especially C) to know if that was difficult, but it doesn't sound trivial | 12:53 |
| millenomi | think glib. | 12:53 |
| millenomi | it's not difficult, just time consuming. | 12:53 |
| millenomi | things it should build on: Maemo, Android NDK, webOS PDK, iPhone, non-embedded platforms (unit tests run on Mac i386, x86_64, PowerPC). | 12:54 |
| fureddo | johnx, Ok, it's there. | 12:54 |
| millenomi | #end // announcement | 12:54 |
| johnx | millenomi, are you using it to port something? or just as a service to others? | 12:55 |
| millenomi | both | 12:55 |
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| johnx | interesting. I'll be sure to point people coming from the iPhone world at that page | 12:56 |
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| johnx | fureddo, installing ... | 13:02 |
| fureddo | johnx, I hope I haven't forgotten any dependencies. | 13:03 |
| johnx | nope | 13:03 |
| johnx | all good this time :) | 13:03 |
| fureddo | johnx, And the ? bug? | 13:03 |
| johnx | though I'm not a good dep tester because I have too much stuff installed | 13:03 |
| johnx | menus look and work well | 13:04 |
| johnx | though the font got pretty small O_o | 13:04 |
| fureddo | johnx, You can change it in the Preferences. | 13:04 |
| fureddo | johnx, You will find a font for labels and fields. And uou can set the size a little bit larger. | 13:05 |
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| johnx | yup. I set it to "Nokia Sans" "Large" and it's only a bit smaller than other apps | 13:06 |
| johnx | looks good though | 13:06 |
| fureddo | johnx, To really test the application, you should import a glossary. But it's a little bit late maybe. | 13:07 |
| fureddo | johnx, Just in case, you can find some glossaries here: http://tomotko.sourceforge.net/en/glossaries.shtml | 13:07 |
| fureddo | johnx, Do not unzip the glossary file, import it as is. | 13:08 |
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| * johnx tests | 13:09 | |
| * johnx should really pick his Japanese up again O_o; | 13:09 | |
| fureddo | johnx, Once a glossary is imported, you must check the glossaries (and parent folders) and some terms in the glossary. Then, Start Quiz. | 13:10 |
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| fureddo | johnx, The words that will be asked in the quiz are those that are reachable from the root (with a checked path). Ok, this sentence is probably hard to understand but maybe seeing the interface, you will understand it. | 13:11 |
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| johnx | yeah, looks like it's working | 13:12 |
| johnx | my kanji is awful (embarassing even) | 13:12 |
| fureddo | johnx, That's good news! | 13:12 |
| fureddo | johnx, Does the help work? | 13:13 |
| johnx | yup. even has that cool kinetic scroll | 13:14 |
| fureddo | johnx, Is the application responds well? Quick enough? | 13:14 |
| johnx | actually the kinetic scroll seems faster than some a lot of the bundled apps | 13:14 |
| johnx | definitely faster than the browser | 13:14 |
| fureddo | Cool. | 13:14 |
| johnx | even does the accelerated scroll trick right | 13:14 |
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| pupnik | I need beep for maemo irssi private messages! | 13:15 |
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| fureddo | johnx, Thank you very much for your time. It's very very appreciated. | 13:16 |
| johnx | sure. you've even tricked me into installing something to help with my japanese :) | 13:16 |
| johnx | thanks for the hard work on the program | 13:17 |
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| FIQ | can i change fn+c (£) to tab? | 13:17 |
| fureddo | johnx, ahaha! Gambatte kudasai! | 13:17 |
| FIQ | whivh file to modify? | 13:17 |
| FIQ | which* | 13:17 |
| johnx | haaaaai, gambarimasu | 13:18 |
| fureddo | johnx, :-) The application is not over yet but it's functional enough IMHO. | 13:18 |
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| sp3000 | FIQ: out there in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr land | 14:17 |
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| * Arif_ yawns | 14:18 | |
| sp3000 | FIQ: google for more, I think someone has a page describing stuff, or some threads somewheres | 14:19 |
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| * ShadowJK looks at gnuplot in extras | 14:22 | |
| ShadowJK | the description os copypasted from something else | 14:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | gnuplot works well for me | 14:24 |
| ShadowJK | that's not the point | 14:24 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 14:24 |
| ShadowJK | well.. does printing work? | 14:24 |
| ShadowJK | and where's the -nox version mentioned in the description? | 14:24 |
| ShadowJK | not in user/ | 14:26 |
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| pupnik | i want a quick and dirty gstreamer video chat direct to afriends n900. through irssi | 14:29 |
| SpeedEvil | And cacalib? | 14:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I suppose it's plausible. | 14:30 |
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| pupnik | i dont use cacalib, do i? | 14:30 |
| thresh | yeah, video over irc | 14:31 |
| thresh | how cool is that :ninja: | 14:31 |
| ShadowJK | it would have to be dcc | 14:31 |
| pupnik | dcc, v4l. | 14:31 |
| thresh | not in case of a conference call | 14:31 |
| ShadowJK | irc servers wont let you push much data through them | 14:31 |
| SpeedEvil | mencoder - then ctcp VIDEOCALL | 14:31 |
| SpeedEvil | with the port you want to recieve on | 14:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | A script to on recieving VIDEOCALL, to startup mplayer | 14:32 |
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| pupnik | SpeedEvil: ShadowJK ++ | 14:32 |
| thresh | you will need libcaca on slow connections | 14:33 |
| pupnik | testing could be done with pc and n900 too | 14:33 |
| pupnik | conference call is not part of use case really. also leads to external server | 14:34 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: or multiple windows | 14:35 |
| pupnik | you guys know anyone who has played with this? | 14:35 |
| SpeedEvil | I've streamed video from my n900 to my laptop | 14:35 |
| SpeedEvil | using mencoder/mplayer and netcat | 14:35 |
| pupnik | would you prefer rear cam to show other stuff + have some quality? | 14:36 |
| SpeedEvil | not tried streaming from frontcam - thoguh suppose it'd work fine | 14:37 |
| pronto | SpeedEvil: how did you do that? | 14:37 |
| pupnik | i would generally prefer the use case "here is what im talking about" (show object for a minute) | 14:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: it was something like mencoder tv:// -of - -ovc whatever -nosound -fps 20|netcat | 14:39 |
| SpeedEvil | I forget the details, sorry | 14:39 |
| pupnik | np. looks doable | 14:40 |
| pupnik | how are focus / lighting managed by the mencoder / v4l ? | 14:41 |
| pupnik | "fixed"? | 14:41 |
| thresh | usually it's done in a driver | 14:41 |
| ShadowJK | lighting is probably driver | 14:42 |
| ShadowJK | focus is probably infinite or random with mplayer | 14:42 |
| ShadowJK | mplayer thinks it's viewing tv ;-) | 14:42 |
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| mortal_ | hello | 14:42 |
| mortal_ | just bought a nokia n800, should arrive next week | 14:43 |
| SpeedEvil | congrats. | 14:43 |
| ShadowJK | Also, color balance is off with mplayer... | 14:43 |
| ShadowJK | I guess that's fixed in software too | 14:43 |
| mortal_ | I should find a cheap bluetooth keyboard for it | 14:43 |
| mortal_ | how well does it work as an mp3 player? | 14:43 |
| ShadowJK | lighting doesn't seem to autoadjust | 14:43 |
| * SpeedEvil has never had a n800. | 14:44 | |
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| SpeedEvil | I suspect the n900 users swamp 800 here - but still some left | 14:44 |
| Funnyface | N900 ftw :P | 14:45 |
| pupnik | n800 has a music player and good speakers and 2 sd slots. should be great for that | 14:45 |
| Funnyface | for some reason mine only lasts for about 6 hours sitting idle in the pocket with just X chat running, connected with HSDPA | 14:45 |
| Funnyface | why would that be? | 14:45 |
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| * ShadowJK has an N800 | 14:45 | |
| pupnik | that xchat is keeping the radio active | 14:46 |
| ShadowJK | The N810 has better speakers, but N800 is probably still better speakers than N900. N900 has vastly better headphone output. N810 and N800 have pretty similar headphone output | 14:46 |
| ShadowJK | pupnik, yes. | 14:46 |
| mortal_ | is the headphone output any good? | 14:46 |
| mortal_ | in n800 | 14:47 |
| ShadowJK | It has a high noise floor | 14:47 |
| Funnyface | pupnik: ok, think switching it to GSM only is an idea? | 14:47 |
| pupnik | i dont know what the power ratio is, but yes | 14:48 |
| ShadowJK | But it depends on your listening habbits and your headphones. If you're the kind of person that listens with the volume set to 1 on a scale from 0-16, you wont be happy. If you're the kind that listens with the volume halfway up or full, you wont notice. | 14:48 |
| mortal_ | ok thanks | 14:48 |
| ShadowJK | Funnyface, 2g uses alot less power for xchat | 14:48 |
| ShadowJK | wlan too, unless you have a crappy access point. | 14:48 |
| Funnyface | adhoc here :) | 14:49 |
| ShadowJK | adhoc uses enormous amounts of power :) | 14:49 |
| pupnik | hope next device gives us realtime power use of radios, screen, memory | 14:49 |
| RST38h | moo all | 14:50 |
| RST38h | pupnik: You can probably do this with the current device | 14:50 |
| Funnyface | anyway, as far as I know, the wifi should be disabled, unless it's still active after I quit joikuspot | 14:50 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, it's closed though | 14:50 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Just need to know where to look | 14:50 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Closed but not impossible: Nokia does this on Symbian | 14:50 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, we've seen screenshots of Nokia Energy Profiler on N900 | 14:51 |
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| mortal_ | what is the latest maemo os for the n800? | 14:51 |
| ShadowJK | Maemo 4.1 "Diablo" | 14:51 |
| ShadowJK | also known as OS2008 | 14:51 |
| mortal_ | thanks | 14:51 |
| mortal_ | will it be supported in the future? | 14:51 |
| pupnik | would help if early users could log power drain on various components and graph those along with running apps | 14:51 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: =) Maybe they can release it? =) | 14:52 |
| pupnik | community still updates. hardware is fixed anyway | 14:52 |
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| Funnyface | "- the biggest downside for 2G is that a data connection is suspended when taking a call, but is resumed afterwards. so you wouldn't be able to check email/surf during a call, if you need to do that" hmm I never experienced that with my winmo phone.. | 14:52 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, the reply is "maybe" everytime someone prods them | 14:52 |
| ShadowJK | Funnyface, the real answer is more complicated than that | 14:53 |
| ShadowJK | There are some devices that have two 2g radios, one for managing calls and one for managing data. Then there's a way for devices with one radio to do both voice and data on the same channel, which N900 supports, but very few operators support it. | 14:53 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: I've got a partially built hardware device. | 14:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: also - the key energy saving thing in the CPU is turned off. | 14:54 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: 'smartvoltage' or whatever it's called | 14:54 |
| ShadowJK | I don't notice any difference with it on or off... | 14:54 |
| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=7633 | 14:54 |
| pupnik | meh | 14:55 |
| SpeedEvil | smartreflex | 14:55 |
| ShadowJK | Maybe it changes standby time from 7 days to 14 days or something, but standby isn't my main use case :P | 14:55 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 14:55 |
| SpeedEvil | mine neither | 14:55 |
| SpeedEvil | And It works for me. | 14:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I've never run out of power. | 14:55 |
| ShadowJK | power use is pretty simple really, it's all about the wakeups! :-) | 14:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I do charge it at night though | 14:55 |
| SpeedEvil | It's really not. | 14:55 |
| pupnik | i use most energy with screen, podcasts, websites.. afaict | 14:55 |
| SpeedEvil | It's more about quiescant power consumption, and how fast you can get back there. | 14:55 |
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| ShadowJK | The first release of xchat on maemo5 kept the CPU from reaching the off state :-) | 14:56 |
| pupnik | does x server seem like it uses a lot to you? | 14:56 |
| pupnik | try mplayer without -quiet and it goes op a lot | 14:57 |
| ShadowJK | That's x-terminal rendering the statusline.. | 14:57 |
| ShadowJK | through the compositing.. | 14:57 |
| ShadowJK | that's bound to use alot.. | 14:57 |
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| mortal_ | is it possible to plugin in a usb keyboard in n800? | 15:00 |
| ShadowJK | no | 15:00 |
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| pupnik | easy enough to avoid. wondering if terminal could be optimized to lower wakeups in irssi | 15:00 |
| mortal_ | there is some usb host mode thing | 15:00 |
| ShadowJK | Oh | 15:00 |
| ShadowJK | sorry | 15:00 |
| ShadowJK | N800, yeah, that's possible | 15:00 |
| mortal_ | without any external power? | 15:00 |
| mortal_ | just plugging it in | 15:00 |
| ShadowJK | I think N800 can provide 100mA power | 15:00 |
| mortal_ | great | 15:01 |
| ShadowJK | so "most" keyboards probably would work on that | 15:01 |
| mortal_ | now I only have to find the smallest usb keyboard | 15:01 |
| ShadowJK | I have an N800 but I've only tried host mode on N810.. I suspect they're pretty similar though | 15:01 |
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| mortal_ | how do I connect physically | 15:02 |
| mortal_ | are there ready made cables | 15:02 |
| ShadowJK | I used the included PC <-> N810 cable, with a female-female USB adapter.. | 15:03 |
| ShadowJK | ANd yeah there are ready made cables for N800 atleast | 15:03 |
| Funnyface | any way to both charge and use the device in host mode at the same time then? :P | 15:04 |
| ShadowJK | Sure. You plug the charger into the 2mm charge port. | 15:05 |
| ShadowJK | Which the N800 and N810 have. | 15:06 |
| ShadowJK | N900 doesn't have hostmode to begin with, so the question has no relevance on N900 ;-) | 15:06 |
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| mijenix | I've my n900 since 4 days | 15:31 |
| mijenix | is there any good "unpacker" (tar, bzip2, gzip, zip, rar) with GUI for the maemo5? | 15:31 |
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| Funnyface | maybe someone should write an IRC relay that transmits the chat only once every X seconds, say 30 secs, so the phone doesn't have to turn on the radio once for every single message | 15:53 |
| Shapeshifter | In my app I need to know if tweakr is installed. What would be the most reliable way of telling? | 15:53 |
| Funnyface | then if someone says your name, or you type a message, it passes on the messages right away | 15:54 |
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| Shapeshifter | mhh. dpkg -s I guess | 15:54 |
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| Shapeshifter | mh no that doesn't work. It shows up if it was installed at a previous time | 15:55 |
| Shapeshifter | gah apt is overcomplicated. -.- | 15:56 |
| Corsac | what are you trying to do? | 15:56 |
| Corsac | ha, above | 15:57 |
| Corsac | dpkg -l tweakr seems fine | 15:57 |
| Shapeshifter | Corsac: that's some rediculous output | 15:57 |
| Corsac | just redirect to /dev/null and get the return code? | 15:57 |
| Shapeshifter | http://pastie.org/867859 | 15:57 |
| Corsac | Shapeshifter: or parse /var/lib/dpkg-status | 15:57 |
| Corsac | s/-/\// | 15:58 |
| Shapeshifter | Corsac: mhhh. | 15:58 |
| Shapeshifter | dpkg -l does exactly the same btw | 15:58 |
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| Corsac | yeah | 15:58 |
| Shapeshifter | Corsac: and the return code is always 0 | 15:59 |
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| Shapeshifter | even if its not installed | 15:59 |
| Corsac | hmhm, not here but I'm trying on my sid box | 15:59 |
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| Shapeshifter | Corsac: try on the n900 | 15:59 |
| Corsac | ~ $ dpkg -s tweak >/dev/null 2>&1; echo $? | 16:00 |
| Corsac | 1 | 16:00 |
| Corsac | ~ $ dpkg -s tweakr >/dev/null 2>&1; echo $? | 16:00 |
| Corsac | 0 | 16:00 |
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| Shapeshifter | Corsac: not if you had tweakr installed at a previous time | 16:03 |
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| Shapeshifter | ... it still amazes me how people can actually say that apt is good and clear and all. it's incredibly complicated, slow and insane | 16:04 |
| Corsac | hhm | 16:04 |
| Corsac | Shapeshifter: you might be interested by --status-fd, too | 16:05 |
| Corsac | but anyway, reading dpkg manpage could help you on that | 16:06 |
| * VDVsx mooos | 16:06 | |
| Corsac | me moos back | 16:06 |
| Corsac | +/ | 16:06 |
| VDVsx | :) | 16:06 |
| Shapeshifter | Corsac: good thing there are no manpages on the n900 xD (yeah i know I'll google it...) | 16:07 |
| Corsac | Shapeshifter: maybe on scratchbox? | 16:07 |
| Shapeshifter | what a rediculous package management system... | 16:08 |
| Shapeshifter | dpkg-query -f'${Status}' --show tweakr; echo $? --> 0 | 16:08 |
| Shapeshifter | dpkg-query -f'${Status}' --show microb-engine; echo $? --> 0 | 16:08 |
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| Shapeshifter | and if people like apt, and dislike rpm, I tremble of fear how bad rpm must be. | 16:11 |
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| Corsac | Shapeshifter: you don't make much sense | 16:12 |
| Shapeshifter | apt doesn't make much sense. | 16:12 |
| Corsac | I fail to see why dpkg-query should return you anything else than success in that case | 16:13 |
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| Corsac | if you're too lazy to parse the output, fine, but the return code stuff won't help you there | 16:14 |
| Shapeshifter | Corsac: yeah sure. It's just that there are like a billiong different statii for packages, like, installed, not-reconfigured... I mean, who on earth needs all these | 16:14 |
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| Corsac | Shapeshifter: we do | 16:14 |
| Shapeshifter | Corsac: yeah ok. | 16:15 |
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| Shapeshifter | Corsac: but this means I have to parse not only for one thing, but like 10 | 16:16 |
| Corsac | Shapeshifter: the fact that an end-user doesn't really need to know about dozens of status doesn't mean the infrastructure don't need them | 16:16 |
| Shapeshifter | Corsac: well I know that the pacman infrastructure doesn't need them. | 16:17 |
| Corsac | I'm not exactly sure you can really compare anyway | 16:17 |
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| Shapeshifter | http://pastie.org/867870 I mean, seriously. | 16:17 |
| Shapeshifter | install ok installed, deinstall ok config-files, No packages found matching. | 16:17 |
| Shapeshifter | this output is hopelessly random. But I'll stop here. :) | 16:18 |
| Corsac | Shapeshifter: yeah please stop until you read dpkg manpage | 16:18 |
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| * Shapeshifter is giggling at the "half-installed" package state. | 16:19 | |
| Robot101 | Shapeshifter: there's a big diagram which explains all the states, they're not just there for shits and giggles, it's so it can actually record the state of each package on the system as it makes certain transitions | 16:21 |
| Robot101 | what states would your package manager have? uninstalled, installed, OH SHIT ITS ALL BROKEN LOLZ | 16:22 |
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| Shapeshifter | Robot101: installed, not-installed. | 16:23 |
| Shapeshifter | or better even, just "installed" | 16:24 |
| Robot101 | yeah, great. have a cookie. :) | 16:24 |
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| Shapeshifter | Robot101: I am sure it's not worth discussing, and I calmed down and I'm sorry for trolling. So, I'll leave it at that. (read pacman's manpage if you really are interested in what kind of package manager I like: http://www.archlinux.org/pacman/pacman.8.html ) | 16:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: (good thing there are no manpages on the n900 xD) even better there's not even a mandb package in extras-devel or tools repo :-(( | 16:31 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: well yeah :| | 16:33 |
| Corsac | Shapeshifter: I'm fine with people reinventing package management again and again, it's just sad nobody is able to do it properly | 16:33 |
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| Shapeshifter | Corsac: *shrug*. pacman does a very good job, is fast, easy to use, packaging is simple. only thing it lacks is package signing imo. | 16:34 |
| Shapeshifter | other then that its near perfect. for me at least. and I personally think apt is incredibly overloaded with features nobody will ever need. and it's slow. | 16:34 |
| Corsac | Shapeshifter: if you think packaging is simple, you already lost | 16:35 |
| Shapeshifter | Corsac: huh | 16:35 |
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| Shapeshifter | please explain. | 16:35 |
| Corsac | Shapeshifter: package management is a bit more than putting stuff in tarballs and tell geeks to install them | 16:35 |
| Shapeshifter | Corsac: and? | 16:36 |
| Corsac | Shapeshifter: and it's _not_ simple, and if you think that, fine for you | 16:36 |
| felipec | packaging is simple, if the package is sane | 16:36 |
| Shapeshifter | Corsac: are you saying packaging is not simple in general? as in, it's always hard? why on earth would that be. | 16:37 |
| Shapeshifter | http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Creating_Packages easy. | 16:38 |
| Corsac | archlinux is fine for few geeks in a garage | 16:39 |
| Shapeshifter | xD | 16:39 |
| arachnist | hi | 16:40 |
| arachnist | i have a small upstart script that lets me enable usb internet tethering without messing with ppp | 16:41 |
| arachnist | http://dpaste.com/171543/ <| on the n900 | 16:42 |
| arachnist | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/189156/ <| on my laptop | 16:42 |
| arachnist | the problem is, i'd like to get iptables rules get flushed when removing the usb cable | 16:42 |
| arachnist | i tried watching for upstart events (initctl events), but none gets emitted | 16:42 |
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| arachnist | any ideas? | 16:43 |
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| flux | one idea: how about udev rules.d? | 16:55 |
| flux | there was some udev event monitoring tool as well | 16:55 |
| flux | should help you to find out the events issues when the cable is being plugged/removed | 16:56 |
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| satmd | udevadm monitor | 16:58 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: ping | 17:06 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=565417&postcount=160 | 17:07 |
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| ShadowJK | no idea about the truth of it | 17:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: why? | 17:09 |
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| Stskeeps | well, my usb connector was pushed inside by a devilish zoom2 usb plug | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: seems sane, though it's most likely bq27010 if any of the bq27xxx series | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | so just pondering if it's solder or pad | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: usually solder | 17:10 |
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| Stskeeps | as in, the connector is soldered? :P | 17:10 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, well the schematics does have the "fuel gauge" bit connected to same i2c bus as the flash light, but it seems connected to a "HDQ" pin on the chip instead of a i2c pin? | 17:11 |
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| ShadowJK | bme is doing stuff like... ioctl(4, 0x720, 0xbecb899c) | 17:12 |
| ShadowJK | where 4 is /dev/i2c-2 | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: that's why I say bq27000 is unlikely. HDQ over I2C is insane. There's a bq27xxx variant with I2C iirc | 17:12 |
| ShadowJK | I2C_SMBUS 0x0720 /* SMBus transfer */ | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: usually the pads survive | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: also, there's this thing where you can't charge if battery is too low or something? | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | (yes, i'm trying to make my FR useful) | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: should be fixed with more recent devices | 17:14 |
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| Stskeeps | mmk | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | but shouldn't you be able to boot nevertheless, or? | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | (not sure if it boots with usb only) | 17:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: fuel gauge is on I2C_2, same as USB bat charger | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: if the device is fixed, you should be able to boot via USB wallcharger only (means without bat) | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, k | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: (I2C_2) ...and flash driver, yes | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | blah, i do need to get that connector soldered :/ | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | and LCM | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: consider glueing it with cyan-acrylic | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | prior to soldering | 17:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: if that's really a bq27xxx, then you might find this one helpful: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail | 17:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: aah, s/bq27010/bq27200/ ->I2C variant | 17:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: on bq27200 pin 5 is SDA of I2C. On bq27000 it's HDQ | 17:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: ""The bq27200 supports the standard IC read, incremental read, quick read, and one byte write functions. The 7-bit device address (ADDR) is the most significant 7 bits of the hex address and is fixed as 1010101. The 8-bit device address is therefore 0xAA or 0xAB for write or read, respectively. | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | "" | 17:30 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, there was link to datasheet from that tmo thread | 17:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: well, I'd really like to know if it's actually BQ27200, as that chip is supposed to be monted to the battery, not inside the device. The whole monitoring gets seriously mangled when you remove battery and possibly even replace it with a differently charged one | 17:38 |
| ShadowJK | nod | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | you can't do live change of battery | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | (sadly) | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the whole point (well 50% of the whole) | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | even *if* BQ27200 doesn't see a full reset on removal of battery, it might easily end up with incorrect gauge counters as they are based on the battery history of the previous bat | 17:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if it's cold reset then you need a full discharge/charge/discharge cycle to resync the counters | 17:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | by "full" I mean discharge to lower limit of cell voltage | 17:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tthere are similar chips for host side design, like bq27505 etc | 17:48 |
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| KamuiN900 | good morn | 17:50 |
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| Funnyface | for how long do your batteries last on the N900, when you have social things running on EDGE, with the phone sitting idle in the pocket? | 17:52 |
| Funnyface | e.g. X-chat and MSN | 17:52 |
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| javispedro | aaaaaargh. | 17:57 |
| javispedro | in scratchbox, gcc is applying the cc1plus parameters in the gcc.specs file _AFTER_ the command line given ones! | 17:57 |
| javispedro | s/gcc/g++ | 17:57 |
| * DocScrutinizer sighs, as there're odds he'll break a screw on re-assembling N900 | 17:59 | |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: new screws! | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | no way to get them today | 17:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess the few spare leftover from FR won't fit :-P | 18:00 |
| javispedro | say goodbye to neon and c++ with the fremantle toolchain, since -mfpu=vfp is on the specs file :( | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you got me a borked sample, for messing around? XP | 18:01 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 18:01 |
| SpeedEvil | no. | 18:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, I guess I simply should dare | 18:02 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd leave it till I got new screws. | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | in the end who cares about screws :-D | 18:03 |
| * DocScrutinizer sighs | 18:03 | |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ok you convinced me to play proper | 18:03 |
| SpeedEvil | One of the dissasembly videos noted that they broke a screw on reassembly | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | seen that | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | also seen the advice to get new screws, in L3/4 | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | guess they know why | 18:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | Same reason as cylinder head bolts. | 18:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | They're torqued hard enough to deform them | 18:12 |
| ShadowJK | funnyface: I get 12-16 hours xchat on edge with /lots/ of channels | 18:12 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, you disassembled n900? | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: not yet | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | emphasis on yet | 18:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm roally fed up with missing part names and uncertainity of 'leaked' pre-MP schematics | 18:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-P for the ones with eyes to see XP | 18:22 |
| * DocScrutinizer idiot | 18:22 | |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a bq27200 | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | p15, location K7 | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | so, next step of operation: find datasheet for bat charger | 18:24 |
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| ShadowJK | did you just open it... | 18:26 |
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| DrGrov | Hello everyone | 18:28 |
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| DrGrov | Anyone care to help a new N900 user? | 18:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: Nokia did, see p.17 of schematics | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas epic fail for N1140 bat charger | 18:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, at least I hadn't have to learn it the hard way ;-P | 18:31 |
| DrGrov | Can I put extra repos somehow for the N900 to fetch more applications and programs? | 18:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: 2 minutes of reading wiki would tell you | 18:35 |
| javispedro | heh, fremantle will use eglibc (no surprises) | 18:35 |
| javispedro | s/fremantle/harmattan | 18:35 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: oh, sorry about that dumb question. just i'm a bit new, just got my copy of the n900 about 15 hours ago... | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah ok. lemme get you a few pointers | 18:36 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: thanks :) | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras#To_enable_Extras_repository_for_pre-PR1.1.2C_just_open_this_link_on_your_tablet. | 18:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nota bene http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1#Application_Manager though | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | for pr1.1 it's enabled by default | 18:39 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: i got myself later yesterday in connection with my first download from the program control panel the maemo 5 update | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: url? | 18:40 |
| DrGrov | not 100% sure though what is the version... | 18:40 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/harmattan/main/binary-i386/ | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 18:41 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: nothing serious as you can see :P | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | 2009q1 sounds nice | 18:41 |
| Pavel | DrGrov: You just got an N900? | 18:41 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: you got any good pointers on applications? i downloaded pidgin since i use it on my pc with linux. then i got mplayer+kmplayer frontend, extra codecs package, wifi eye manager etc. | 18:42 |
| DrGrov | Pavel: yeah, i got it last night. i will check the box now to see which date it was manufactured. | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: sorry, my selection of apps will be mostly useless for your purposes | 18:43 |
| DrGrov | Pavel: ah no can't do that checking... still used to using the N97 lol | 18:43 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: nah, no need to apologize. just throw a few pointers, happy to hear suggestions :) | 18:43 |
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| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: you can actually go through the whole list of apps in like 10 minutes. | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | get load applet, to have an idea if there'S some hog process draining your bat | 18:44 |
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| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: for a package that looks interesting, you can tap "details" and read the description | 18:44 |
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| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: personal data monitor is also nice (a desktop widget that shows how much traffic you had over gprs) | 18:45 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: i did that actually. i'm not new to a linux environment so i did some details checking. | 18:45 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: i got myself a unlimited flat rate on data :) | 18:45 |
| V13 | q: Any idea where exactly hildon-desktop stores icons? Somehow it seems that they are not stored only in gconf's /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/applets | 18:45 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: ^^ | 18:45 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: it costs 9,80 EUR for 384 kbit/s here in Finland through DNA. | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin shit, my load applet vanished | 18:46 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: lucky guy | 18:46 |
| DrGrov | i got that operator logo "remover" / "changer" app which is actually not really that funny even to use :( | 18:46 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: never guess how many minutes and sms/mms i got per month? | 18:47 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: * i get | 18:47 |
| Shapeshifter | 0 | 18:47 |
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| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: I pay 39,80 EUR per month for 3000 regular phone minutes, 3000 video call minutes, 3000 messages and 3000 multimedia messages | 18:48 |
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| Shapeshifter | video call? people use that? | 18:48 |
| V13 | DrGrov: is this called "Package 3000" or something ? | 18:49 |
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| Shapeshifter | I pay maybe around 20 euros for 1gb traffic, 30 minutes on-net and fixed line and 30sms. | 18:49 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: yeah, i use that actually quite often when talking with friends who live a bit longer but still within Finland. | 18:49 |
| DrGrov | V13: i can link to the English version of my operator to where you can read about it if you want? | 18:50 |
| V13 | just joking. It's fun to have 3000x4 | 18:50 |
| maher | i want to laujnch the pdf viewer so it loads a particular file - apparently I have to use dbus to do this - how do i find out what dbus options you can send to osso_pdf_viewer? | 18:50 |
| DrGrov | V13: http://www.dna.fi/en/privatecustomers/mobilecommunication/priceplans/Sivut/Default.aspx | 18:51 |
| Shapeshifter | btw I just noticed that it's not possible to select text in the email app. wonder how that ever got through to be released >.> | 18:51 |
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| DrGrov | V13: and unlimited data plan then of course. | 18:51 |
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| DrGrov | V13: but what is cool is when i pay for 384 kbit/s 9,80 EUR i always get at least around 55-70 kB / s | 18:51 |
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| Shapeshifter | my coverage is so bad I can't listen to internet radio while on the train without interruptions every minute | 18:52 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: one thing i'm really impressed about is the video quality. it is so weet | 18:52 |
| maher | Shapeshifter: is there a key combination to delete lines? | 18:52 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: *sweet | 18:52 |
| Shapeshifter | maher: sorry what? | 18:52 |
| maher | Shapeshifter: is there a key combination to delete lines in the email client compose bit/ | 18:53 |
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| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: oooh :( i tested the internet radio last night with my 24/1 Mbit wireless. but it works still with that 3G 384 kbit/s | 18:53 |
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| summel | hi... are there any instructions on how to get quassel irc client on an n900? | 18:53 |
| Shapeshifter | no idea but I highly doubt it. I was just pointing out that it was impossible to select text when reading an email which I find is an extremely obvious feature, which is lacking. | 18:53 |
| Shapeshifter | maher: ^ | 18:54 |
| maher | Shapeshifter: i suspect the people who wrote the email app never use it | 18:54 |
| V13 | You can always start forwarding a mail and copy-paste what you want | 18:55 |
| Shapeshifter | V13: sure | 18:55 |
| V13 | But even there you have to use the keyboard | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | maher: shift-cursormove to highlight, then backspace to delete | 18:56 |
| summel | oh is there even cross-application copy&paste support on the n900? | 18:56 |
| DrGrov | what do you guys think? will there be any chance of Enlightenment 16 or 17 for the N900 along the way? | 18:56 |
| maher | DocScrutinizer: where is this stuff documented? | 18:56 |
| red | yes, summel | 18:56 |
| summel | \o/ | 18:56 |
| red | it's regular clipboard | 18:56 |
| red | afaik | 18:56 |
| summel | <3.. so the n900 can anything the iphone can't :D | 18:56 |
| V13 | oh.. new mapper available in extras-testing... goody :-) | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | in wordstar manual of 1984? | 18:56 |
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| red | atleast pasting text back and forth works | 18:56 |
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| red | havent tested with images etc. | 18:56 |
| SpeedEvil | summel: ctrl-c and ctrl-v. Or some things have explicit copy and paste buttons | 18:57 |
| summel | the only thing missing now is quassel client and a few good games :) | 18:57 |
| V13 | and claws-mail | 18:57 |
| DrGrov | can i go with the thought of that every commando and shortcut commando is the same as on a regular linux os? | 18:57 |
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| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: pretty much. note however that the shell is busybox ash, not bash. | 18:58 |
| V13 | if you change "every" to "many" then yes | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | mostly yes | 18:58 |
| V13 | mostly it's linux with X server, gtk and a bit of qt | 18:58 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: ah yes, that is true. i was a bit loooost last night :) i was playing around 8-9 non stop with the phone so no wonder my brain wasn't at the sharpest | 18:59 |
| DrGrov | V13: ok, every = many lol :) | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: most important bit to note is you should install rootsh, and use 'root' rather than 'sudo" or 'su -' | 18:59 |
| maher | DocScrutinizer: i'm serious - where is the documentation that says what key bindings modest has? I'm happy to read the wordstar manual if necessary | 18:59 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: yes, i know that it is not too good to just use sudo or su | 18:59 |
| V13 | damn... | 19:00 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: but isn't su the same basically. just a temporary login as root? | 19:00 |
| V13 | i didn't know about "root" :-) I even made a "su" script to run sudo /bin/sh :-) | 19:00 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: i am just so used to use "su" on my linux distro :) | 19:00 |
| V13 | "sudo gainroot" i mean | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: on maemo that's called 'root' | 19:00 |
| summel | does the n900 work with isync out of the box? | 19:00 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: ah ok, so the same thing. just a tiny bit different command :) | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 19:01 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: good, now i am getting a bit more clever with the platform how it works. not sure though lol :) | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you need to install package rootsh | 19:01 |
| V13 | summel: How exactly do you define "good games" ? | 19:02 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: any risks of braking a working N900 system when i use the fetch function of the program control manager? | 19:02 |
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| summel | V13: i dont know... something that uses the touchscreen and/or accelerometerthingy | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt-get upgrade is strongly deprecated | 19:02 |
| summel | supertux would be nice but i cant get the controls to work | 19:02 |
| V13 | summel: there are such games... but do you classify them as "good" ? | 19:02 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: probably it is time to do a backup now of everything when it is really working well and i got all contacts, programs, settings fixed? | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | otherwise do what you see might fit | 19:02 |
| summel | or the other racing game from the reposirtory | 19:02 |
| summel | didn't try any games from the ovi store so far... | 19:03 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: deprecated = not suggested? right? | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 19:03 |
| maher | DocScrutinizer: what are you meant to do instead? | 19:03 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: oh, my english isn't totally bad then :) | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | use hildon desktop app manager | 19:03 |
| ShadowJK | "update" button in it | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | bbl | 19:04 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: hildon desktop app manager? :) | 19:04 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves | 19:04 | |
| summel | i like the bullshit bingo though :D | 19:04 |
| * DrGrov waves back to DocScrutinizer | 19:04 | |
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| DrGrov | summel: lol on the bullshit bingo, i tried it last night when i got "bored" with installing lol | 19:04 |
| summel | :D | 19:04 |
| DrGrov | summel: kind of addicting, yet idiotic game but sexy nevertheless :) | 19:05 |
| summel | i'd love to see a really good game :/ | 19:05 |
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| Shapeshifter | SNES emulator gives you lots of good games | 19:06 |
| Shapeshifter | at playable fps | 19:06 |
| summel | but the controls... :( | 19:06 |
| Shapeshifter | summel: not that bad I'd say. depending on the game I use the rightmost 9 keys as a dpad ;) | 19:06 |
| DrGrov | if i now do a backup of my system and need to restore it later it is possible without any difficult steps to restore backups?' | 19:06 |
| Shapeshifter | 3x3 keys | 19:06 |
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| summel | i couldn't even get supertux to work... | 19:07 |
| summel | and since you can't really use the direction keys because up and down needs a modifier key :/ | 19:07 |
| Shapeshifter | but yeah, the n900 isn't very entertaining. that's why I have a PSP. | 19:07 |
| summel | i love the n900 :) only 2 things that i need to figure out before i get my own ^^ | 19:08 |
| Pavel | You can play Doom on it. | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: yes, for all you installed or changed via desktop & apps there - not for apt-get installed things or edited files in /etc etc | 19:08 |
| summel | how are the controls? :P | 19:08 |
| summel | i'd prefer openarena though | 19:08 |
| summel | because it is really and completely free | 19:08 |
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| Shapeshifter | it is openarena isn't it. | 19:09 |
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| summel | noo openarena is quake | 19:09 |
| summel | but opensource | 19:10 |
| V13 | what about nexuiz ? | 19:10 |
| summel | not as good as quake imho ^^ | 19:10 |
| V13 | nexuiz + minsta == great gameplay | 19:10 |
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| summel | i'd love a good unreal tournament 3 for the n900 xD | 19:10 |
| Shapeshifter | V13: ha | 19:10 |
| Shapeshifter | V13: i doubt it can run fluently | 19:10 |
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| Shapeshifter | also, I don't really see the point of all such games on a mobile device. They suck the battery dry in no time. And if there's a power source, then I have a laptop, or a desktop for playing serious games | 19:11 |
| summel | i loved bioshock for symbian | 19:11 |
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| summel | mainly because it was free :P but i was fun to play also | 19:11 |
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| javispedro | mikkov: ping | 19:12 |
| maher | am i just completely stupid - where is the documentation for things? such as the osso pdf viewer? | 19:12 |
| V13 | Shapeshifter: Well... dunno. nexuiz with so small resolution and with disabled effects is very lightweight. | 19:12 |
| Shapeshifter | V13: possible. and it _is_ great gameplay ;) | 19:12 |
| summel | is there an rdp client atm? | 19:13 |
| summel | or does the vnc client also support rdp? | 19:14 |
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| javispedro | summel: rdp client = rdesktop | 19:17 |
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| summel | javispedro: so i connect to my terminal server from the console? | 19:18 |
| * javispedro waves while yawning :P | 19:18 | |
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| javispedro | summel: yes, but iirc there was some python frontend | 19:19 |
| summel | hmm | 19:19 |
| pupnik | once a python app is mature, rewrite in a real language kthx | 19:20 |
| javispedro | Ladies and gentleman, I proudly present... the packages interface! | 19:20 |
| javispedro | http://maemo.org/packages/ | 19:20 |
| summel | can i apt-get install rdesktop? | 19:20 |
| javispedro | type your query and let a machine answer it for you! | 19:20 |
| Shapeshifter | pupnik: >:( | 19:20 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Reloaded? Now More Evil Than Ever? | 19:20 |
| javispedro | RST38h: no, just reminding package-seekers of its oft-forgotten existence. | 19:21 |
| javispedro | this reminds me of packrat | 19:21 |
| RST38h | javis: Why not use PackRat instead? | 19:21 |
| RST38h | At least it WORKS | 19:21 |
| javispedro | yes, good point | 19:21 |
| RST38h | And we can extended it just a little bit to present all packages in a given category | 19:22 |
| javispedro | Ladies and gentleman, I proudly present... Pack Rat, the Maemo Package Aggregator! | 19:22 |
| javispedro | http://ageofikon.info/packrat/ | 19:22 |
| summel | because i cant find rdesktop in the program manager thingy | 19:22 |
| maher | I want to have an icon on the desktop that opens a particular pdf file when i click on it. Any suggestions? | 19:22 |
| V13 | javispedro: elaborate... and quick :-) | 19:22 |
| V13 | javispedro: what's new in the package interface ? | 19:23 |
| V13 | (or it is a search page?) | 19:23 |
| summel | hmm ok apt-get install rdesktop can't find a package rdesktop :/ | 19:24 |
| javispedro | V13: nothing new :P just a reminder | 19:24 |
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| javispedro | summel: because it's on extras-devel | 19:24 |
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| summel | hmm do i want extras-devel? :D | 19:24 |
| javispedro | ask your network administrator. | 19:25 |
| V13 | ok.. and while you're there, don't forget to vote for programs that work (even if you don't like them)... for example, "maegirls" :-) | 19:25 |
| V13 | summel: no you don't | 19:25 |
| pupnik | mae west? | 19:25 |
| V13 | summel: unless you understand the implications. Keeping a package in -devel most of the time happens for a very good reason | 19:26 |
| summel | yeah i guess | 19:26 |
| summel | so i wait until it hits exta? | 19:26 |
| V13 | yes and/or contribute yourself to the package. | 19:27 |
| summel | im not a developer :/ | 19:27 |
| V13 | python is very easy to learn | 19:27 |
| V13 | you can become a developer... | 19:27 |
| summel | i know a tiny bit of python :D | 19:27 |
| V13 | good.. you can write programs directly on n900 or using the SDK. I prefer n900 except for things that may cause problems, in which case I use the SDK. | 19:28 |
| summel | the sdk is a virtualbox image right? | 19:28 |
| V13 | Just download the vmware image and use it either with vmware or KVM | 19:28 |
| summel | ah neat | 19:28 |
| V13 | er... dunno.. i use vmware's image with KVM and it is pretty fast. | 19:28 |
| summel | will do that later when im back at my main desktop machine :) | 19:28 |
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| summel | because vmware/virtualbox etc suck on a netbook | 19:29 |
| V13 | KVM doesn't | 19:29 |
| summel | and besides... i dont know if virtualisation crashes the mac os on my netbook xD | 19:29 |
| * thopiekar feels sometimes like living on another planet | 19:30 | |
| thopiekar | why are we using opensource? | 19:30 |
| * V13 sends Apollo 97 | 19:30 | |
| V13 | thopiekar: why not ? | 19:30 |
| DrGrov | Is it good to keep the WiFi thingie that disables WiFi so it doesn't search for it at all ? | 19:31 |
| thopiekar | because we want to share great code and make it better.. | 19:31 |
| summel | DrGrov: afaik its good for the battery | 19:31 |
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| thopiekar | so why are people like k-s[AWAY] making new applications? | 19:31 |
| thopiekar | http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2010/03/12/enlightenment-meets-bluez/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+GustavoSverzutBarbieri+(Gustavo+Sverzut+Barbieri)&utm_content=Google+International | 19:31 |
| thopiekar | there is already blueman | 19:31 |
| summel | and kbluetooth :) | 19:32 |
| summel | <3 | 19:32 |
| thopiekar | that supports pulseaudio and lot of other services.. | 19:32 |
| thopiekar | kbluetooth sucks.. | 19:32 |
| summel | :o why? | 19:32 |
| V13 | blueman is good | 19:32 |
| thopiekar | these guys also should work with the blueman people.. | 19:32 |
| V13 | kbluetooth doesn't work :) | 19:32 |
| summel | it works for me :) | 19:32 |
| thopiekar | not just good it's very good | 19:32 |
| V13 | yes.. it works... | 19:32 |
| summel | there is no perfekct kde4 distro :( | 19:32 |
| * thopiekar ois using just blueman on kde4 | 19:32 | |
| summel | arch is the best ive treid so far | 19:33 |
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| V13 | thopiekar: me too | 19:33 |
| DrGrov | summel: ok, so no risks of keeping it running. it automatically is not forced to disable wlan on a startup but it is easy to enable. | 19:33 |
| summel | but kbluetooth no even supports apple wireless keyboards \o/ | 19:33 |
| Shapeshifter | awww. man. this device is so damn fine and at the same time so annoying at times... | 19:33 |
| VDVsx | thopiekar, because that's a EFL app, do you want to ship a E desktop with all GTk or KDE libs ? ;) | 19:33 |
| DrGrov | OOOOH! | 19:33 |
| DrGrov | E desktop = Enlightenment 17? | 19:33 |
| thopiekar | I really get crazy seeing people making new apps.. | 19:33 |
| * DrGrov smiles like a dumb idiot :) | 19:34 | |
| summel | DrGrov: no risks afaik.... though... a german court ruled that even joining a unprotected wireless network is illegal.... :O | 19:34 |
| VDVsx | DrGrov, yes | 19:34 |
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| thopiekar | VDVsx: what about making a "GUIfactory" and let the app (here blueman) detect the WM and choose the right toolkit? | 19:34 |
| DrGrov | summel: i just keep my own 24 Mbit WiFi connection on a priority. then my normal flat data rate when i travel. | 19:35 |
| summel | why not everybody just use qt4? :P | 19:35 |
| mijenix | anyone know a good archiver tool for maemo 5? | 19:35 |
| thopiekar | you really don't need to recode everything :/ | 19:35 |
| V13 | summel: one day they will :) | 19:35 |
| summel | i sure hope so :) | 19:35 |
| DrGrov | summel: yeah, that is the same thing as in finland atm. but in finland it will become the users own responsibility to protect their wifi | 19:35 |
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| VDVsx | thopiekar, last time I check blueman is a python app and is a bit messy IMO :D | 19:36 |
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| DrGrov | VDVsx: yes? sorry, a bit lost when i helped my fiancee to get more, mooooooore music for the N97 which she inherited from me. her little child :) LOL | 19:36 |
| DrGrov | how about some good IM apps? Pidgin is working out almost flawless | 19:36 |
| VDVsx | <DrGrov> E desktop = Enlightenment 17? | 19:36 |
| VDVsx | yes | 19:36 |
| thopiekar | VDVsx: check it out again.. I'm using Ubuntu Lucid (alpha) and blueman works great! | 19:36 |
| V13 | well.. here you cannot convict anyone for doing something harmless unintentionally. (e.g. auto-joining an unprotected wireless network), unless there is loss or something. | 19:36 |
| VDVsx | :D | 19:36 |
| Shapeshifter | does someone know how I can enlarge the ash history? it only stores like 20 or so commands which is extremely little | 19:36 |
| VDVsx | thopiekar, is it the default in ubuntu now? | 19:37 |
| summel | oh yes... is there a jabber client for the n900? preferably not pidgin :D | 19:37 |
| DrGrov | VDVsx: aaaah! i'm actually close to get a serious brain disruption of exctasy when I hear about E17 :) | 19:37 |
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| VDVsx | lol | 19:37 |
| thopiekar | no but its even better as the default on (gnome-bluetooth).. | 19:37 |
| DrGrov | How is it with all the call logs? can I somehow delete them? how about a list of how many sent messages ? | 19:37 |
| V13 | summel: the built-in is not good enough ? | 19:37 |
| Shapeshifter | also, does someone know how to save the ash history after every command entered? like bashs PROMPT_COMMAND="history -a" | 19:37 |
| summel | there is one built in? :O | 19:37 |
| DrGrov | I mean, can I delete the call logs with the regular built in call log thingie? | 19:37 |
| summel | <3 | 19:38 |
| Shapeshifter | summel: yes. and it works well. | 19:38 |
| summel | niceee | 19:38 |
| summel | i relly do have to get my own n900 >_> | 19:38 |
| Shapeshifter | summel: and the extra protocols plugin works well, so all the crap goes as well, msn, icq.. that stuff | 19:38 |
| DrGrov | summel: wtf? not pidgin? LOL | 19:38 |
| VDVsx | thopiekar, probably for a user POV, I don't like the things that blueman does to the system, probably is better now, dunno :) | 19:38 |
| summel | i only need jabber :) | 19:38 |
| VDVsx | s/for/from | 19:38 |
| thopiekar | you can connect different services easier and manage your audio devices.. | 19:38 |
| summel | DrGrov: i hate pidgin :( | 19:38 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: I tried pidgin and I find that the builtin thing is much nicer than pidgin on the n900. | 19:38 |
| Shapeshifter | its near perfect actually | 19:38 |
| Shapeshifter | (unlike many other things on the n900) | 19:39 |
| * thopiekar is listening all the time music via a2dp and pulseaudio | 19:39 | |
| summel | on my desktops i use kopete or adium | 19:39 |
| thopiekar | :) | 19:39 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: what? a built in MSN client? Cooool :) | 19:39 |
| DrGrov | summel: you dirty man, dirty dirty I say. Nah, just kidding :) | 19:39 |
| summel | :O | 19:39 |
| summel | i dont like most gtk apps :P | 19:40 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: if you install the extra protocols plugin, pretty much any protocol known to man goes | 19:40 |
| summel | gimp is... ok-ish... because krita is nowhere near gimp in tearms of features... yet... | 19:40 |
| Shapeshifter | even facebook (the old and crap facebook chat) | 19:40 |
| DrGrov | summel: i had that same situation back a few years ago. then i decided to get to gtk apps instead | 19:40 |
| Arif_ | moo... | 19:40 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: yes sir, i got that extra protocols package for pidgin. the first almost thing i did :) | 19:40 |
| summel | qt is so much nicer :) and waaay more beautiful ^^ | 19:40 |
| DrGrov | summel: yeah, qt is more beautiful :) | 19:41 |
| DrGrov | the internet radio is absolutely fantastic :) | 19:41 |
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| DrGrov | btw, anyone got some server space to "borrow" for a few hours or so? :) | 19:41 |
| summel | how much? | 19:41 |
| DrGrov | talking about 600 mb to 1,5 GB roughly | 19:42 |
| summel | yes | 19:42 |
| DrGrov | my computer is bailing out on the fun it seems :( the hard drive is crappy | 19:42 |
| summel | if you can life with scp? | 19:42 |
| summel | :D | 19:42 |
| DrGrov | summel: nooOooooO! | 19:42 |
| summel | scp/sftp | 19:42 |
| DrGrov | summel: i can live with ssh :) | 19:43 |
| summel | ok | 19:43 |
| summel | let me crate you an account then ^^ | 19:43 |
| * Arif_ has a server but doesn't know how to give an FTP account :p | 19:43 | |
| mijenix | give ssh access | 19:43 |
| mijenix | root and pw please :D | 19:44 |
| DrGrov | summel: can i download it then from a http website? | 19:44 |
| summel | i can make it that you can yes | 19:44 |
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| DrGrov | summel: that would be awesome | 19:44 |
| DrGrov | summel: i am desperate to get it from a http based website :D lol | 19:44 |
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| FIQ | interesting, supertuxkart seems to start ih debian lxde | 19:56 |
| FIQ | it isn't playable (über laggy), but interesting that it starts at all | 19:57 |
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| Anthro16 | anyone strongly recommend either the n900 vs 810, considering price? | 19:58 |
| inz | Depends on what you need. | 19:59 |
| summel | well.. do you want a phone or a tablet? :D | 19:59 |
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| Anthro16 | tablet, lol. | 19:59 |
| SpeedEvil | I love my n900. | 20:01 |
| inz | n900 is better in almost every way. | 20:01 |
| inz | It's thicker, though =) | 20:01 |
| V13 | Anthro16: most probably you want' a table with phone capabilities but you don't know it | 20:02 |
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| V13 | but I'd wait 6-9 months for the next one. Or get n810 for now. | 20:02 |
| summel | next one? | 20:04 |
| Anthro16 | Ah, whats the next one called? | 20:04 |
| Shapeshifter | V13: I doubt there will be a next device anywhere before q2 2011 | 20:05 |
| V13 | i guess there will be an announcement at Sep 2010 | 20:06 |
| Shapeshifter | although all this is speculation ;) | 20:06 |
| V13 | mine too :) | 20:06 |
| Shapeshifter | V13: well that's an accurate guess :P | 20:06 |
| V13 | but i don't believe nokia has the choice of not having a good high-end phone for so much time | 20:07 |
| Shapeshifter | V13: the n97 is their high-end phone | 20:07 |
| Shapeshifter | and maybe there will be a followup | 20:07 |
| Shapeshifter | n900 is a tablet | 20:07 |
| V13 | IMO, all android phones are superior to all nokia's phones (except n900 :-) | 20:07 |
| V13 | and they have many apps. | 20:08 |
| DrGrov | V13: but need a gmail account :( | 20:08 |
| Anthro16 | im concerned about plan costs though, can i use the n900 with only wifi? | 20:08 |
| DrGrov | Anthro16: yes you can. i did it last night without any problems. | 20:08 |
| pupnik | sho nuf | 20:08 |
| pupnik | Anthro16: gps lock will be slow/dicey probably | 20:09 |
| DrGrov | Anthro16: i have a flat data plan but i keep my 24 Mbit WiFi then at home but it doesn't go and wonder on a 3G data plan | 20:09 |
| V13 | DrGrow: well.. it helps.. If you're tied with google it helps. | 20:09 |
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| pupnik | id spend a lot for a N820 with stonkin battery, big oled screen and n810 speakers | 20:10 |
| DrGrov | V13: yeah, that helps. true as you say. i just am not too big of a fan of google to get into their google android thingies | 20:10 |
| Milhouse | anyone familiar with Ultimate Ears headphones and know if those with call handling will work on the N900? | 20:10 |
| Anthro16 | hmmm, pupnik, gps isnt much of a concern for me. | 20:10 |
| V13 | pupnik: cellular-data are most probably the best thing that happened after 802.11... | 20:10 |
| V13 | drgov: me neither. but it is still better than n97... | 20:11 |
| DrGrov | V13: don't say that so my fiancee hears, she got my N97 last night when I got the N900 :) | 20:11 |
| DrGrov | V13: but I will fix it for her through service so it will eventually get good | 20:11 |
| V13 | :) | 20:11 |
| V13 | pupnik: I find the social part of n900 *VERY* strong. Being always online to chat accounts is great. I've stopped using sms. | 20:12 |
| DrGrov | Milhouse: I would suggest some really good bluetooth handsfree, Nokia made. you need music as well or just talking? | 20:12 |
| pupnik | agree with V13 | 20:12 |
| DrGrov | V13: i have the problem still that i need the sms for many reasons. | 20:12 |
| Milhouse | mainly music, but would like call handling as well. my Shure E2Cs just died on me so looking for an upgrade... was thinking of these... http://www.ultimateears.com/_ultimateears/store/products/triplefi10vi.php | 20:13 |
| summel | i prefer symbian over android | 20:13 |
| Anthro16 | problem is, data plans, atleast with verizon are 30$/mo | 20:13 |
| Milhouse | the cable snapped on my Shures, the UE's have replaceable cables which is a major plus now! | 20:13 |
| Milhouse | DrGov: I like the idea of Bluetooth, unfortunately it's just one more thing I have to remember to keep charged so ends up being more of a pain in the arse until everything can be charged inductively... :) | 20:14 |
| ShadowJK | dunno if UE is upgrade after e2c :) | 20:14 |
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| Milhouse | Shadow: The TriplFi gets good reviews... hopefully it will be. | 20:14 |
| ShadowJK | oh wait, I was thinking of e3c | 20:14 |
| DrGrov | Milhouse: Not necessarily actually. | 20:14 |
| Milhouse | DrGov: I'm all ears (as it were) :) | 20:15 |
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| Milhouse | s/Gov/Grov/g | 20:15 |
| infobot | Milhouse meant: DrGrov: I'm all ears (as it were) :) | 20:15 |
| DrGrov | Milhouse: I think I call much when I have 50 hours regular calls and 50 hours video calls per month to use | 20:15 |
| DrGrov | Milhouse: no worry. DrGov is kind of sexy. I'll stick with that ;) | 20:15 |
| summel | there are no good data plans in germany :( | 20:16 |
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| summel | even the most expensive ones get slowed down from 3g to egde after at least 5GB/month :( | 20:16 |
| summel | and those start at 30-40€/Month! | 20:16 |
| Milhouse | DrGrov: how long does the battery in your Bluetooth last between charges? My last BT headset, SonyEricsson DBH-900 something, lasted about 10 hours use time. | 20:17 |
| thresh | youre lucky you even have 3g | 20:17 |
| summel | so atm i pay 2.50€ per day i use 3g... if i dont use it i dont pay anything :) | 20:17 |
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| * SpeedEvil hugs t-mobile (UK) | 20:19 | |
| SpeedEvil | 20 quid (30euro) for 6 months net. (1G/mo fair use) | 20:19 |
| summel | 1G/month is not much :/ | 20:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | Well - yes and no. | 20:20 |
| SpeedEvil | It's in wifi range 90% of the time. | 20:20 |
| SpeedEvil | And the rest - I have up to 30G of stuff to do. | 20:20 |
| summel | yrs... i probably also dont need 5G/month.... or 1... but its nice to have... | 20:21 |
| summel | and imho the companys shouldnt be allowed to call it a flatrate if you get slowed down after an ammount of traffic | 20:21 |
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| DrGrov | Milhouse: but yeah, i just a shitload of bluetooth usually when driving and trust me. i drive a lot. so i am thinking about getting the Nokia BH-904 | 20:24 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: what kind of car are you driving in? | 20:25 |
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| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: why do you ask? :) | 20:26 |
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| Anthro16 | gawd, it seems that you cant get the n900 in stores, lol. | 20:27 |
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| mijenix | oh gunzip in /bin | 20:27 |
| mijenix | now only a gui is needed ;D | 20:27 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: I hope its a citroen | 20:27 |
| Shapeshifter | ;) | 20:27 |
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| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: god nooooooo! | 20:29 |
| summel | Anthro16: yes, thats a problem... try amazon :) | 20:29 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: i drive a Toyota Starlet | 20:29 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: ah well, not bad either. "it works" | 20:29 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: but then occassionally my fiancees Audi A3 1,6 from 1997 | 20:29 |
| Shapeshifter | but I'd only drive around a lot in a citroen | 20:29 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: it sure works. the fuel consumption per 100km is around 5-5,2 L | 20:29 |
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| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: so when driving around 2000km / month i think it's reasonable | 20:31 |
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| DrGrov | i get paid 0,45 euro / km | 20:31 |
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| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: oh good | 20:32 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: plus salary for driving ;) | 20:32 |
| summel | do videos for the n900 have to be in a special format/resolution? | 20:32 |
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| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: should I take a backup *now* of the N900 when I got the contacts, apps, settings and so spot on perfect? | 20:33 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: yeah why not. the restore thingy works surprisingly well. btw, note that when the next update comes out, and you don't have enough space on rootfs, it will just tell you that "you have to connect your n900 to your pc and stuff", although that is not true. You just need to make enough room on rootfs to install it on-the-fly. Well, it that update supports that kind of update | 20:34 |
| Shapeshifter | in any case, it just tells you to reflash it entirely if there's not enough space on rootfs, instead of just saying "please free x mb on rootfs". | 20:35 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: so it would mean if i now take a backup when i have every contact, app, setting under perfect control it is perfect time to restore it then later when i have got a new firmware update? | 20:38 |
| DrGrov | does the N900 play regular 350 times something pixels 350mb tv shows like House? | 20:39 |
| DrGrov | when they are in .avi format? | 20:39 |
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| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: well if you have to reflash upon an update, it even tells you to backup first. | 20:39 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: it should | 20:40 |
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| * Shapeshifter just released a new version of "Alarmed". It now supports automatic tweakr profile switching if tweakr is installed :) | 20:41 | |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: yes that is true. it tells me to back up | 20:42 |
| summel | what is alarmed? :D | 20:42 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: just thought to back up now since it can be a PITA to remember all settings, contacts, apps later that has there been changes which are *important* | 20:42 |
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| Shapeshifter | summel: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46594 | 20:43 |
| summel | ah so basicly an advanced alarm clock? | 20:43 |
| summel | that can instead of alarm change the profile? | 20:44 |
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| summel | :D | 20:44 |
| summel | nice | 20:44 |
| Shapeshifter | summel: it can also switch to/from flightmode and reset the gprs data counter. and execute custom commands | 20:44 |
| mece | sounds good, what are we talking about? | 20:44 |
| summel | so all the cool stuff is in extra-devel? :D | 20:44 |
| Shapeshifter | mece: link aboce | 20:44 |
| Shapeshifter | above | 20:44 |
| mece | summel, well, d'uh | 20:44 |
| SpeedEvil | summel: much of it, yes. | 20:45 |
| summel | xD | 20:45 |
| Shapeshifter | summel: yes. all the cool stuff, and all the stuff that will brick your device :D | 20:45 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: The House episode I will try to test is 624x352 pixels and roughly 348-352 MB. Should work, right? | 20:45 |
| mece | link above? | 20:45 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: try and see ;) | 20:45 |
| Shapeshifter | mece: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46594 | 20:45 |
| summel | mece: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46594 | 20:45 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: yes, gotta try :) lol | 20:45 |
| mece | thanks | 20:45 |
| summel | :D | 20:45 |
| mece | Shapeshifter, looks really good this. | 20:47 |
| * Arif_ blinks | 20:47 | |
| Shapeshifter | mece: startup is a bit slow because of pyside, and my code is a bit hackish because it kinda grew from a small script ;) Once pyside Shiboken is out I can improve the list view and it will be a lot faster | 20:48 |
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| Shapeshifter | but it seems to work allright ;) | 20:48 |
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| mece | Shapeshifter, I know exactly what you mean. I always start small and then end up with something very large that needs restructuring that I don't feel like doing ;) | 20:49 |
| Shapeshifter | mece: I'll be adding CLI support and when that happens I'll rearrange stuff. Will be nicer after that ;) | 20:49 |
| Arif_ | hm | 20:50 |
| Arif_ | does the one that wrote KMplayer ever come here? | 20:50 |
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| Funnyface | apparently my carrier doesn't support EDGE + GSM voice call at the same time either | 20:59 |
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| Funnyface | could be nice with an app that would switch the EDGE data connection to UMTS when someone calls you, so the TCP connections don't drop | 20:59 |
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| Arif_ | why don't you stay on 3G? | 21:09 |
| tank-man | offtopic: "iPhone Top Features: Cut, Copy & Paste , ..." https://www.rogers.com/web/link/newPhoneBuyFlow | 21:10 |
| tank-man | lmao | 21:11 |
| Arif_ | top features? | 21:11 |
| Arif_ | welcome to 2004! | 21:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | 1984 | 21:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Two buttons bad one button good. | 21:11 |
| Arif_ | my 6600 can copy paste too | 21:12 |
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| Shapeshifter | well, I'm off for beers | 21:12 |
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| b0unc3 | hey guys, what is the best way to get a contact informations by having only the phone number ? | 21:17 |
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| `0660 | b0unc3, call to the number and ask? :) | 21:19 |
| b0unc3 | `0660, :( | 21:20 |
| Arif_ | google the number and hope its on facebook | 21:22 |
| Arif_ | :P | 21:22 |
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| pwnguin | anyone know which bt audio codecs maemo5 supports? | 21:30 |
| pwnguin | i picked up a free bt earpiece, and it was easy enough to configure | 21:30 |
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| pwnguin | but what i'd like is something that does both phonecalls and music (a2dp i think it is) | 21:31 |
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| andre__ | pwnguin, A2DP is definitely supported in Maemo5: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=667 . However that does not mean that it's bug-free ;-) | 21:47 |
| povbot | Bug 667: A2DP and AVRCP Bluetooth profile wanted | 21:47 |
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| * Arif_ wonders if the remote that came with the N95 8GB will be supported | 21:49 | |
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| summel | is there a qr code reader in one of the default repositoris or in the ovi store? | 21:58 |
| ml-mobile | mbarcode will do QRCodes | 21:59 |
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| summel | iss mbarcode in extra or in ovi store? | 22:01 |
| ml-mobile | I think it's in testing or devel | 22:02 |
| ptl | party at the leper coooooloony | 22:02 |
| ptl | dum dum dum de dum | 22:03 |
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| ptl | weird al rocks :D | 22:03 |
| ptl | and the regular earphones of the N900 are good enough | 22:04 |
| ptl | why wopuld I want a BH-9 | 22:04 |
| ptl | s/BH-9/BH-905/ | 22:04 |
| infobot | ptl meant: why wopuld I want a BH-905 | 22:05 |
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| * ptl usong his N900 at the barbershop | 22:06 | |
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| ptl | in practice, when the N900 changes from 3G to 3.5G, does it disconnect then reconnect to the network? | 22:10 |
| pupnik | i think no | 22:13 |
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| dotCOMmie | any idea why I can run executables in scratchbox? I get "No such file or directory" | 22:14 |
| dotCOMmie | when executing simple compiled c things like helloworld | 22:14 |
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| `0660 | try ./helloworld | 22:15 |
| dotCOMmie | thats what I did | 22:15 |
| dotCOMmie | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > ./helloworld | 22:15 |
| dotCOMmie | bash: ./helloworld: No such file or directory | 22:15 |
| dotCOMmie | I added home to path also and that didn't help either | 22:16 |
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| ptl | try the complete path then | 22:18 |
| ptl | /home/user/helloworld | 22:18 |
| dotCOMmie | same thing | 22:18 |
| ptl | the absolute path | 22:18 |
| satmd | ./ and fullpath/ make no difference | 22:19 |
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| ptl | I know, satmd | 22:19 |
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| ptl | dotCOMmie: arew you sure this is not a script? | 22:20 |
| dotCOMmie | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > file helloworld | 22:20 |
| dotCOMmie | helloworld: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped | 22:20 |
| dotCOMmie | as sure as I can be | 22:20 |
| ml-mobile | sounds like a library issue | 22:20 |
| ptl | does the file exist on that path, is an ELF file compiled to the correct architecture and the file system is not 'noexec'? | 22:21 |
| ptl | oh | 22:21 |
| ptl | sorry, I wrote bwefore seeing your response | 22:21 |
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| ptl | dotgldd helloworld | 22:22 |
| dotCOMmie | this is weird | 22:22 |
| ptl | dotCOMmie: ldd helloworld | 22:22 |
| frikinz | executable format is probably wrong | 22:23 |
| dotCOMmie | let me reboot this whole thing.. I quit scratchbox and ran /scratchbox/users/tox/home/tox/helloworld and got the same shit | 22:23 |
| dotCOMmie | so it doesn't look like its exactly a scratchbox problem | 22:23 |
| dotCOMmie | althought could be a weird compile | 22:23 |
| dotCOMmie | myeah | 22:24 |
| dotCOMmie | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > ldd helloworld libc.so.6 => not found (0x00000000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x00000000) | 22:24 |
| dotCOMmie | that does not look good d: | 22:24 |
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| qubodup | hi | 22:24 |
| ptl | libc6 not found? | 22:24 |
| ptl | wow :) | 22:24 |
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| b-man|laptop | ~ping | 22:27 |
| infobot | ~pong | 22:27 |
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| frikinz | why does #maemo still needs registration? | 22:28 |
| pwnguin | andre__: thanks for that tip | 22:28 |
| b-man|laptop | frikinz: i'm assuming to prevent spam | 22:29 |
| andre__ | frikinz, because there's lots of spammers. | 22:29 |
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| frikinz | b-man|laptop, there is no spam on any of my 10 other chan which do not require registration | 22:29 |
| frikinz | ubuntu, debian, ....... don't require registration | 22:30 |
| frikinz | i know several people who are not coming here anymore due to this | 22:30 |
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| villager | frikinz: good for them, but there's been lots of spam here... | 22:36 |
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| b-man|laptop | frikinz: although not too long ago freenode was somewhat "under attack" by a bunch of hackers which deployed a bunch of spam bots throughout the servers; which prompted some admins to set +m on unregistered users on their channels | 22:36 |
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| b-man|laptop | +m = you can't talk on the channel btw | 22:37 |
| frikinz | so all chans should forbid unregistered users then? | 22:38 |
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| ShadowJK | mmm.. I can see why people praise Vikuiti | 22:40 |
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| b-man|laptop | frikinz: i think it depends on traffic and opinions | 22:41 |
| pupnik | i praise people who have learned how to package for maemo-builder | 22:41 |
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| Arif_ | oo | 22:42 |
| Arif_ | first an N64 emulator and now a PSX emu! | 22:42 |
| b-man|laptop | the PSX emulator isn't as optimized though | 22:42 |
| Arif_ | nor is the N64 one :P | 22:43 |
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| * Arif_ gives it a month or 5 | 22:43 | |
| * Arif_ needs a weemoat controller | 22:44 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Yeah. When the weemoat gets too high, it begins to smell. | 22:45 |
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| b-man|laptop | Arif_: soo far, the N64 emulator has been able to achieve better performance though - even though it isn't very optimized ;) | 22:45 |
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| shvedsky | test 3 (do you hear me?) | 22:45 |
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| b-man|laptop | yup | 22:45 |
| Arif_ | I read you .. | 22:45 |
| shvedsky | at last... :-) | 22:45 |
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| Arif_ | I only saw the 10FPS Zelda video with no sound | 22:45 |
| Arif_ | =} | 22:45 |
| Arif_ | I'd love some mario kart at 50FPS with sound :P | 22:46 |
| b-man|laptop | shvedsky: did you have the identify issue with #maemo too? xD | 22:46 |
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| b-man|laptop | mario ftw :) | 22:46 |
| Arif_ | and smash bros | 22:46 |
| shvedsky | b-man|laptop: I had an I-dont-know-how-to-use-irc issue, actually | 22:46 |
| Arif_ | I loved that game...:D | 22:46 |
| DrGrov | i am finally back... damn this! | 22:47 |
| shvedsky | ok, so I have a question about GSoC 2010. How can I "second" other user's proposal? What should I do for that? | 22:47 |
| b-man|laptop | those games were always soo addictive! xD | 22:48 |
| Arif_ | yeah | 22:48 |
| shvedsky | Should I do nothing, since the list of organizaitons is not yes established? | 22:48 |
| Arif_ | I still have the carts :P | 22:48 |
| pupnik | snes is champ for me | 22:48 |
| Arif_ | SNES's mario kart is kinda boring | 22:48 |
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| * b-man|laptop plays Super Mario World in Drnoksnes | 22:49 | |
| * Arif_ has mario all stars+world :P | 22:49 | |
| Arif_ | oh | 22:49 |
| Arif_ | and contra | 22:49 |
| Arif_ | <3 | 22:49 |
| b-man|laptop | Arif_: you have a while collection going xD | 22:50 |
| b-man|laptop | *whole | 22:50 |
| Arif_ | hehe | 22:50 |
| b-man|laptop | damn autocomplete xD | 22:50 |
| Arif_ | I have too much time on my hands :P | 22:50 |
| Arif_ | I wish the GBA emu would improve though | 22:50 |
| Arif_ | I want to play GoldenSun again | 22:50 |
| DrGrov | i want to play Golden Axe | 22:51 |
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| Arif_ | yeah, someone go port picodrive or something | 22:51 |
| pupnik | id say the rst emus are more impressive overall of course... but for a noob, javis did make a decent first port, he pushed the entire gaming tech for n900 | 22:51 |
| Arif_ | so far I use the SNES emu the most | 22:52 |
| Arif_ | =} | 22:52 |
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| DrGrov | any news on when perhaps Enlightenment 17 will be available for the N900? | 22:55 |
| Arif_ | whats that | 22:56 |
| b-man|laptop | a desktop environment | 22:56 |
| DrGrov | Enlightenment 17 is one of the coolest things available for *nix distributions | 22:56 |
| b-man|laptop | you could build it under scratchbox and deploy it like penguinbait's kde port xD | 22:57 |
| DrGrov | no, actually it isn't perhaps a desktop environment | 22:57 |
| DrGrov | more of a window manager or? curious to know actually how Enlightenment 16 & 17 is classified | 22:57 |
| Arif_ | aw | 22:57 |
| Arif_ | no game :P | 22:57 |
| DrGrov | b-man|laptop: damn, that sounds like a beautiful idea :D | 22:57 |
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| Arif_ | hmm | 22:59 |
| Arif_ | my ROMs folder is 3GB :shifty: | 22:59 |
| SpeedEvil | n900-mwm - it has to be done. | 22:59 |
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| Shapeshifter | argh. no ddtae?! | 23:01 |
| Shapeshifter | *ddate | 23:01 |
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| b-man|laptop | Arif_: lol | 23:02 |
| Arif_ | >:) | 23:02 |
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| Shapeshifter | mh. where does coreutils-gnu get installed | 23:13 |
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| b-man|laptop | /opt/maemo/usr/bin/gnu i think | 23:14 |
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| b-man|laptop | but has a symbolic link in /usr/bin/ | 23:16 |
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| Arkenoi | btw there are two versions of coreutils (from different repos?), which one is better? | 23:21 |
| pwnguin | i think one is busybox, and the other is gnu | 23:23 |
| pwnguin | the default should be busybox | 23:23 |
| pwnguin | and it depends on your needs as to which is better | 23:23 |
| pwnguin | if you need something lightweight | 23:24 |
| pwnguin | and dont use the terminal much, busybox is fine | 23:24 |
| Dragnslcr | Where does the media player store its playlists? I figure editing it by hand is going to be easier than trying to remove files through the GUI | 23:24 |
| pwnguin | poor poor dragn | 23:24 |
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| pwnguin | Dragnslcr: which playlists? the artists / genre / album ones are generated | 23:25 |
| Dragnslcr | Ones that I save | 23:26 |
| Dragnslcr | I couldn't find it anywhere in the home directory | 23:27 |
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