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| acidjazz | whens the x86 n1000 out? | 00:08 |
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| Arif_ | tomorrow | 00:08 |
| acidjazz | whens my phone ognna be a brick? :/ | 00:08 |
| Arif_ | along with PR1.2 | 00:08 |
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| acidjazz | PR1.2 really comin out tomorrow? | 00:11 |
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| Arif_ | yes | 00:11 |
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| acidjazz | are ou referring to http://maemo-freak.com/index.php/rumours/1383-nokia-n900-to-get-first-meego-build-later-this-month | 00:12 |
| xorAxAx | i heard PR1.2 needs a multitouch display | 00:12 |
| Arif_ | no, I'm just telling everyone that asks | 00:12 |
| Arif_ | I hear PR1.2 makes the speakers not suck! | 00:12 |
| xorAxAx | by employing a gstreamer plugin that does multiband compression | 00:13 |
| xorAxAx | or companding even | 00:13 |
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| Arif_ | the stereo widening and loudness on older NSeries was nice | 00:14 |
| Arif_ | :P | 00:14 |
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| Hoxzer | is there a way to make the image fixed the gallery keeps changing the pic | 00:20 |
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| ds3 | on the N900, is there a UI to switch the USB port between networking, modem, and mass storage? | 01:00 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 01:00 |
| SpeedEvil | well - between mass storage and another mode | 01:00 |
| Venomrush | actually only for the 1st time | 01:00 |
| Venomrush | once you have selected a mode | 01:01 |
| SpeedEvil | thatp ops up when you plug in the plug | 01:01 |
| Venomrush | you'll need to replug | 01:01 |
| Venomrush | to select the other mode | 01:01 |
| SpeedEvil | or reboot? | 01:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Unless you count the shell as UI | 01:02 |
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| orbarron | hi all... anyone knows how to stop my N900 from wanting to update? | 01:02 |
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| dregin | which rootstrap does the maemo SDK use for N900 dev? | 01:04 |
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| ptl | orbarron: why wouldn't you want that? I guess you'd have to mess with alarmd configuration | 01:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | Tjere os a way to tell the indexer not to touch stuff. | 01:22 |
| * orbarron found a solution by increasing the time | 01:22 | |
| SpeedEvil | look in the config file | 01:22 |
| SpeedEvil | ~.config? | 01:22 |
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| bartekxyz | Is n900 worth buying? | 01:24 |
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| T7g | is sex worth the potential of having children spawn from it? | 01:25 |
| Xisdibik | thats very women specific T7g | 01:25 |
| T7g | As in, it depends what you're into. Some people like missionary, some people like whips and feet | 01:25 |
| bartekxyz | T7g: that's not an answer | 01:26 |
| Termana_n810 | yes it is | 01:26 |
| Xisdibik | bartekxyz: it sort of is | 01:26 |
| Termana_n810 | hes basically saying - it depends on what you want/like | 01:26 |
| bartekxyz | I need something to replace my old trusty n95 | 01:26 |
| Termana_n810 | its not something we can tell you, its not just a yes or no question | 01:27 |
| T7g | I myself love anything Linux and so that fanboy part of me probably influenced my decision to buy it | 01:27 |
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| Xisdibik | bartekxyz: you experiance may vary but | 01:28 |
| Xisdibik | having bought the n900 before it was out and then recieving it, it is the best phone ive ever purchased | 01:28 |
| Xisdibik | Ive done more with it than ive done with any previous phone, and the things I could do on both my old phone and htis phone.. this phone does 5x better | 01:28 |
| Xisdibik | and with that im off work, bbl | 01:29 |
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| bartekxyz | It has good os and nice hardware... It's just that well.. Big developers don't give a shit about n900 | 01:29 |
| bartekxyz | And i don't want to have only ports of linuxish apps | 01:30 |
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| bartekxyz | Software is always a second half of a phone | 01:30 |
| bartekxyz | And i want big library of quality applications | 01:31 |
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| bartekxyz | I can pay for it as quality is more important to me than being freeware | 01:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes. | 01:31 |
| SpeedEvil | the apps are limited ATM | 01:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | Nokia isn't helping. | 01:32 |
| bartekxyz | That's why i have doubts | 01:32 |
| jebba | "big developers" will certainly be taking more notice to meego | 01:32 |
| haltdef | I don't see a need for big developers | 01:32 |
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| haltdef | n900 can do what my WM phone can do and then some as it is | 01:33 |
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| bartekxyz | It's not a cheap phone and i don't want to be left with unusable brick | 01:33 |
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| bartekxyz | I se a need of big developers | 01:33 |
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| bartekxyz | See* | 01:33 |
| dregin | bartekxyz: I own an N900 after having had an N96 and N95 before that... N97 was AWFUL. N900 is really great. | 01:33 |
| dregin | eh | 01:33 |
| ptl | I want PR 1.2 :( | 01:33 |
| dregin | eh I owned and N97 not N96 | 01:34 |
| haltdef | so easy to port existing and proven linux apps to it | 01:34 |
| bartekxyz | Blah blah linux apps | 01:34 |
| haltdef | there's quite a lot out there :P | 01:34 |
| dregin | ? | 01:34 |
| ptl | dozens of thousands | 01:34 |
| dregin | define "Blah blah linux apps" | 01:34 |
| ptl | indeed | 01:34 |
| ptl | it can benefit hugely from that library | 01:34 |
| ptl | yeah. What's wrong with linux apps? | 01:35 |
| SpeedEvil | bartekxyz: not happening. At the very least mer would continue - even if nokia and intel exploded tomorrow. | 01:35 |
| haltdef | the idea of actual xchat or irssi on my phone makes me quite moist | 01:35 |
| dregin | weechat tbh | 01:35 |
| ptl | haltdef: agreed | 01:36 |
| haltdef | can't stand CLI clients :P | 01:36 |
| bartekxyz | Let's put it that way: i'm not a linux geek | 01:36 |
| haltdef | will try both irssi and xchat anyway though, might be more practical | 01:36 |
| haltdef | me either, can't stand linux anywhere but my router | 01:36 |
| ptl | bartekxyz: you don't need too, many linux apps are very good and friendly | 01:36 |
| dregin | why not? | 01:36 |
| ptl | Can't stand? | 01:36 |
| ptl | I love the GNU/Linux way™ | 01:37 |
| dregin | eeehhhh the "... anywhere but my router" part | 01:37 |
| ptl | I thought moist was a positive world. | 01:37 |
| haltdef | .. not the point guys | 01:37 |
| ptl | XChat on the N900 is quite nice, irssi too | 01:37 |
| dregin | what *is* the point? | 01:37 |
| haltdef | point was I can't stand linux but all those linux apps on my phone .. yes please | 01:37 |
| haltdef | no need for these big developers when there's those :P | 01:38 |
| dregin | you can't just write off every linux app under one blind generalisation. | 01:38 |
| dregin | Why can you not stand linux? | 01:38 |
| ptl | Why can't you stand linux? | 01:38 |
| redeeman | ofcourse what people are talking about as "linux apps" really have very little with linux to do | 01:38 |
| haltdef | maybe android would be better for you if you want these big developers | 01:39 |
| ptl | I can't stand windows and I almost had to quit a job due to this | 01:39 |
| ptl | I struggled with Windows for 4 months | 01:39 |
| ptl | its interface is too limitted, to buggy, too closed, too inflexible, too self-centered | 01:39 |
| haltdef | never bloody works for me, so much effort to make basic things work | 01:39 |
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| ptl | had to change areas within my job | 01:39 |
| dregin | android is linux based is it not? | 01:39 |
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| haltdef | tis | 01:39 |
| ptl | then I could use a GNU/Linux desktop and my performance improved many times | 01:39 |
| ptl | dregin: it is linux-kernel based, not linux-environment based | 01:40 |
| bartekxyz | linux is for people who have time to struggle with every single thing | 01:40 |
| ptl | linux uses X, GTK+, QT and such on its applications | 01:40 |
| haltdef | mmhmm, no use :P | 01:40 |
| ptl | so you can't port applications in a very straightforward way | 01:40 |
| ptl | bartekxyz: this is a prejudiced misconception. | 01:40 |
| dregin | big time | 01:41 |
| ptl | bartekxyz: in fact, most of linux comes configured and preinstalled, including an office package. | 01:41 |
| redeeman | bartekxyz: i spend less time doing administrating things on my linux workstations COMBINED than you do on a single winblows | 01:41 |
| bartekxyz | I like install and forget type of os | 01:41 |
| dregin | I moved my parents PC to ubuntu a while ago and they havent had any issues with it | 01:41 |
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| ptl | bartekxyz: you're justing echoing ancient myths. | 01:41 |
| redeeman | bartekxyz: how many times did you reinstall over the years? im on my installation from 2004-ish when i got an amd64 first | 01:41 |
| ptl | they had its time | 01:41 |
| dregin | and SSH access leaves is SIGNIFICANTLY easier to manage from where I am without having to have hour long conversations talking them through every little step in windows | 01:41 |
| ptl | they have been once true. In 1995, 1996, maybe. | 01:42 |
| redeeman | ptl: not really, because back then the competition was even further behind | 01:42 |
| ptl | redeeman: good point, lol | 01:42 |
| redeeman | consider this | 01:42 |
| redeeman | up until late 2007 | 01:42 |
| redeeman | you had to use FLOPPIES to get microsofts OS onto a recent computer | 01:42 |
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| redeeman | how very easy and grand | 01:42 |
| ptl | I didn't know that | 01:42 |
| haltdef | never needed to feed xp sata drivers before | 01:43 |
| dregin | the hard drive issue? | 01:43 |
| redeeman | xp didn't have sata drivers or ahci support | 01:43 |
| ptl | I don't have any real contact with windows and I'm glad for it | 01:43 |
| haltdef | do not miss that OS though :P | 01:43 |
| bartekxyz | I use ubuntu in my work but it's 1/10 as functional for end user than win 7 | 01:43 |
| ptl | every time they put me on a Windows machine I struggle to find things, to do stuff | 01:43 |
| dregin | can one of you tell me what rootstrap I should be using with the maemo SDK for N900 dev? | 01:43 |
| redeeman | and winblows still cannot even do proper window management that we have had for more than 15 years | 01:44 |
| ptl | bartekxyz: that's a particular opinion and it depends heavily on your user case. | 01:44 |
| dregin | bartekxyz: define "functional" | 01:44 |
| bartekxyz | And i dont give a fuck about administration things as i am consumer | 01:44 |
| ptl | bartekxyz: who said we do? | 01:44 |
| redeeman | window management is NOT an administrative thing | 01:44 |
| redeeman | its something that actually boosts productivity bigtime | 01:44 |
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| dregin | I can't imagine doing dev work on a machine that only has one desktop to work with. | 01:45 |
| dregin | They become too cluttered | 01:45 |
| redeeman | dregin: its far worse that you have to find the window title bar to move it, or find the corners to resize | 01:45 |
| ptl | dregin: I can't imagine doing anything but the most trivial tasks without more than one desktop | 01:45 |
| redeeman | like.. wtf, is this 1980?! | 01:45 |
| redeeman | or that you cant make rules for how windows gets placed | 01:46 |
| redeeman | so antiquated and archaic is winblows | 01:46 |
| dregin | oh well | 01:46 |
| dregin | I think this has gone waayyy off topic | 01:46 |
| dregin | @{ | 01:46 |
| dregin | @{ | 01:46 |
| dregin | typing fail | 01:46 |
| bartekxyz | Gibberish | 01:46 |
| dregin | :P | 01:46 |
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| dregin | you say you're nothing but an end-user and yet you also have the authority to call this discussion gibberish? | 01:47 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not. | 01:47 |
| dregin | quality loltroll | 01:47 |
| redeeman | he has not even tried the good stuff | 01:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I want multiple desktops on n900 | 01:47 |
| redeeman | he installs ubuntu and talks about linux | 01:47 |
| redeeman | when ubuntu has NOTHING to do with it | 01:47 |
| redeeman | ubuntu is nowhere near upstream, in quality or otherwise | 01:47 |
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| ptl | bartekxyz: windows use forces you in a mental state that you intuitively use it as the perfect model for comparison, and in this state of mind, every OS but Windows lose, of course. What you have to understand is that there are other intuitive models of interface and usage, also different applications, and the use of GNU/Linux is a whole new world, different ways to do the same stuff. | 01:48 |
| dregin | SpeedEvil: there are multiple desktops on it | 01:48 |
| redeeman | another favorite of mine in winblows is how one cannot move the window over the screen top, when you can move it down the bottom, or the the sides - BUT NOT THE TOP! the top is reserved by GOD | 01:48 |
| dregin | :D | 01:48 |
| ptl | bartekxyz: once you get past this comparison point, you are prepared to understand better how it is to use another OS, not only GNU/Linux. | 01:49 |
| ptl | SpeedEvil: you want? You don't have? | 01:49 |
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| bjv | i insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/mbcache.ko | 01:50 |
| bjv | jbd and ext3 | 01:50 |
| bartekxyz | Oh,so you think i am windows fanboy petrified by big corp? Brainwashed by commercial shit? | 01:50 |
| bjv | but mount fails unhelpfully, while trying to mount my internal flash partition | 01:50 |
| bjv | mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /mnt/external/ failed | 01:50 |
| bartekxyz | I am using windows since 2005 | 01:50 |
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| bartekxyz | And 15 earlier years i was using AmigaOS | 01:51 |
| ptl | bartekxyz: I don't know if you are but from your talk it seems like you're too used to the Windows interface. Anyway I believe I didn't say anything derogatory about your usage, I think. | 01:51 |
| lardman | evening all (assuming the last one didn't get through) | 01:51 |
| redeeman | bartekxyz: and what did you use in 2004? | 01:52 |
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| dregin | bartekxyz: you said yourself, you were nothing more than a consumer. Do you have extensive experience with non-windows OS'? | 01:52 |
| bartekxyz | Amigaos 3.9 | 01:52 |
| SpeedEvil | ptl: I mean wiht an easy way of switching between real virtual desktops - not simply different backgreounds and widget sets | 01:52 |
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| bartekxyz | I saim that whole 15 years before 2005 i was using amiga only | 01:53 |
| bartekxyz | Said* | 01:53 |
| dregin | righteo | 01:53 |
| ptl | SpeedEvil: oh, but I wonder how would that integrate in a desktop with a small status bar and all applications maximized | 01:53 |
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| lardman | anyone know about gst multiqueue? | 01:57 |
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| bjv | bad news, i guess: The following packages will be REMOVED: hildon-application-framework-rx34-rx44 hildon-theme-echo* osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked | 01:57 |
| bjv | The following packages will be upgraded: dialcentral gpodder kernel-diablo-flasher libdb4.2 libxcomposite1 libxml2 makedev pre-installed-documentation-rx44 tcl8.4 tk8.4 xserver-xomap | 01:57 |
| lcuk | lardman, im sure some do | 01:58 |
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| lardman | lcuk: apparently not on #gstreamer, no suggestions today | 01:58 |
| lcuk | thats just bad form then | 01:58 |
| lcuk | what is a multiqueue | 01:58 |
| lcuk | and why do you need it | 01:58 |
| bartekxyz | Find me linux apps which can do more or the same that sony vegas 8,reason 4 and traktor pro with the same comfortable UI and i will switch to linux | 01:59 |
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| lardman | dunno, but I'm wondering if it's like an inverted tee, so I can push from more than one source | 01:59 |
| lcuk | perhaps the question itself was just too generic to let people jump and assist! | 01:59 |
| lcuk | ahh this is wrt your wanting to allow file selection down the pipeline | 01:59 |
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| bartekxyz | Oh,and i want quality drivers for my radeon video card | 01:59 |
| lardman | v4l2 video source, occassional filesrc reading from image, how to combine the two in a pipeline? Teardown and rebuild when I need to read the image | 01:59 |
| dregin | did this channel suddenly turn into #convincemetouselinux??? | 02:00 |
| bjv | i have totally never heard of those apps. | 02:00 |
| lardman | (was basically the question) | 02:00 |
| bjv | but anyway | 02:00 |
| bjv | if you have a specific business purpose | 02:00 |
| bjv | that requires specific apps, developed by 1 specific house | 02:00 |
| bjv | then... protip: you need to buy the prerequisite OS and run it | 02:00 |
| bjv | that is not a question of "switching" | 02:00 |
| lcuk | lardman, so have you made a new gst element for procedssing directly in the gst pipeline? (and perhaps feeding results onto the pipeline itself? | 02:00 |
| lcuk | or does the pipelne always end at your processor | 02:01 |
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| lardman | always ends at the processor, just need to swap sources efficiently | 02:01 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 02:02 |
| lcuk | yeah, so if you get this working | 02:02 |
| lardman | binary sheep | 02:02 |
| lcuk | you could effectively just switch sources between front cam, back cam, video file stram or selected image | 02:02 |
| N900evil | ptl, I suppose I really mean an effivient wayh to change programs. | 02:02 |
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| lardman | lcuk: is probably possible to swap between v4l2 sources anyway by changing param of the v4l2 src, this is more so I can decode files by using a filesrc | 02:03 |
| bartekxyz | So is n900 linuxish only deep inside or also outside? | 02:03 |
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| lcuk | i can try to ask for you tomorrow, theres some multimedia ppl in collabora who should know where to look | 02:04 |
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| lardman | well if they have any thoughts that would be good, but I guess the lack of ideas was due to my needing to do a teardown if I change source | 02:05 |
| lardman | or at least that's the easiest way | 02:05 |
| lardman | thanks | 02:05 |
| lcuk | yeah, for switching cams i can see why | 02:05 |
| lcuk | you dont want to be running both streams at same time | 02:05 |
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| b0unc3 | hey guys, which is the best way to call my own script on a specific dbus event ? | 02:06 |
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| lcuk | i dont suppose the language matters, but if theres examples im guessing qt would be better | 02:06 |
| lardman | no, just idea/relevant fn call would be useful | 02:06 |
| * lcuk nods | 02:07 | |
| lardman | I'm going to take a look at just reading the pipeline, then unlinking the source and see if that will work | 02:07 |
| lcuk | ok cool, perhaps theres a gstreamer slideshow already made | 02:08 |
| lcuk | which might give you more hints | 02:08 |
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| lardman | hmm, I wonder, can I add an element to the pipeline but not link it (e.g. my second source)? | 02:15 |
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| ptl | will try to compile it | 02:29 |
| ptl | I want lyx for my N900 | 02:29 |
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| corecode | anybody have an idea how to interface a dive computer to the n900? | 02:36 |
| corecode | usb is obviously out of the question | 02:36 |
| corecode | the dive computer does serial | 02:36 |
| corecode | so maybe irda? | 02:37 |
| RST38h | corecode: google for "serial to bluetooth" | 02:39 |
| lardman | ocr ;) | 02:39 |
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| lardman | not worth thinking about the slight error an ocr recognition of a dive lasting 6 vs 60min might make ;) | 02:40 |
| RST38h | http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/03/500x_attphone2.jpg | 02:40 |
| corecode | ah hm bluetooth | 02:40 |
| lardman | night chaps | 02:40 |
| RST38h | good night | 02:41 |
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| ptl | does minicom for the N900 uses bluetooth-to-serial cables or this kind of cable also needs usb host mode? | 02:41 |
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| ptl | dang. | 02:57 |
| ptl | Most lyx libraries are not available on scratchbox. | 02:58 |
| ptl | I'll have to recompile them also. | 02:58 |
| ptl | Is there an automated process to do that? | 02:58 |
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| corecode | oh the ir port is not rx? | 03:12 |
| corecode | serious? | 03:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | well - not if you don't need to recieve IR | 03:14 |
| corecode | what possible use would that have? | 03:15 |
| corecode | switch off the tv? | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 03:15 |
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| corecode | so it is no irda? | 03:16 |
| `0660 | no | 03:16 |
| corecode | gah. | 03:16 |
| corecode | why do they do that | 03:16 |
| RST38h | "Due to the speed of the object, and the total surprise by its victims, no cover-up story was required or initiated." | 03:17 |
| `0660 | do what? | 03:17 |
| `0660 | not provide irda? | 03:17 |
| corecode | put useful things on the n900 and then make them not useful anymore | 03:17 |
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| `0660 | i don't think they disabled any functionality | 03:18 |
| corecode | well they could have made it bidirectional | 03:18 |
| SpeedEvil | not freely | 03:18 |
| `0660 | they jsut only provided an infrared port for controlling entertainment systems | 03:18 |
| SpeedEvil | adding a reciever isn't free. | 03:18 |
| corecode | and the usb port could run in host mode | 03:18 |
| SpeedEvil | There are some erratas on the chip that I'm trying to work out if they break USB | 03:19 |
| corecode | ok | 03:20 |
| SpeedEvil | There is a lot to read. The datasheet is 3300 pages | 03:20 |
| corecode | oh god | 03:20 |
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| ds3 | SpeedEvil: which datasheet? | 03:20 |
| SpeedEvil | spruf98.pdf | 03:21 |
| SpeedEvil | 03:21 | |
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| ds3 | oh the TRM | 03:21 |
| SpeedEvil | the CPU datasheet | 03:21 |
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| ds3 | but why are you looking there regarding hostmode? | 03:22 |
| ds3 | thought it has been narrowed down to a PHY thing | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | yes, it's not quite that simple | 03:22 |
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| ds3 | can you elaborate? | 03:23 |
| SpeedEvil | The bit that drives the USB phy has some bugs. | 03:23 |
| ds3 | and? | 03:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I am checking first that they're not a problem brfore investigating elsewhere | 03:23 |
| ds3 | I know that CPU itself works fine in hostmode with a different PHY | 03:23 |
| SpeedEvil | and also it's a bit of the system that I need to know about anyway | 03:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | It may affect different systems in diggerent ways. Anyway. Now sleeping. | 03:25 |
| SpeedEvil | WAve. | 03:25 |
| corecode | same | 03:25 |
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| RST38h | "...The player is then able to interact with the real world as if it were part of the inserted video game, including actions that are fatal to real-world inhabitants..." | 03:41 |
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| Arkenoi | RST38h, ? | 03:42 |
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| RST38h | "...was retrieved from incident 901-M-42, wherein ??????? ?????? used this device in conjunction with the game Doom to go on a murderous rampage..." | 03:42 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, SCP foundation? | 03:43 |
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| RST38h | "...attempted to resist capture using Halo 3, but Foundation personnel were able to terminate the pair with minimal injury." | 03:43 |
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| RST38h | Arkeno: of course | 03:43 |
| FlavioFerreiraBr | someone will be mentor at Google summer of code ? | 03:45 |
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| FlavioFerreiraBr | someone is user at Forum Nokia Wiki ? | 03:46 |
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| GAN900 | I can't believe Modest stills fails miserably at rendering plaintext emails. | 05:36 |
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| ponyofdeath | hi, anyone here using t-mobile in the usa and having problems with sending emails to phone#@tmomail.net? I cant seem to get nagios to send alerts or they are intermittent. | 05:59 |
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| microlith | hmm | 06:54 |
| microlith | 1.1.1 really did stabilize bluetooth audio | 06:54 |
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| sivang | morning all | 08:30 |
| sivang | I've added extras-testing to the Scratchbox Maemo, but it says it cannot fetch updates for the URL. | 08:30 |
| sivang | I took it from the wiki | 08:30 |
| sivang | I mean, the URL. | 08:30 |
| sivang | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing | 08:31 |
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| yigal | so the n800 was put out in 2007. I wonder how long it will be for a device that significantly superior to it in every way comes out. I guess it's only been three years. | 08:38 |
| sivang | yigal: what sort of feature are you looking for? | 08:38 |
| yigal | tightly integrated open source OS, touch screen, 5-6" screen, much faster cpu, lots more ram, it's a total tool I'm looking at | 08:40 |
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| yigal | roughly the same weight | 08:40 |
| arachnist | yigal: for me, n900 is significantyl superior - i don't need to carry 2 devices with me now | 08:40 |
| Wolfie | what were the rumors about an os update coming today? or have i just misunderstood something? | 08:41 |
| sivang | yigal: so current N900 CPU is slow for you? | 08:41 |
| yigal | I want to be able to take notes, to think with my machine | 08:41 |
| sivang | yigal: IMHO it is only the OS which is not optimized for speed | 08:41 |
| yigal | sivang: yes, a bit too slow | 08:41 |
| sivang | yigal: right, but it is not the hardware. | 08:41 |
| sivang | yigal: I tell ya, we've done outrageous things in ChipPC to make an FPUless MIPS(!!) cpu take the load and be snappy and responsive | 08:42 |
| sivang | Maemo feels to me like a very rough experiment that hasn't gone into the oven of profiling and performance tuning yet. | 08:42 |
| yigal | sivang: cool | 08:42 |
| sivang | the hardware is superb | 08:42 |
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| yigal | sivang: really? | 08:42 |
| yigal | so no need for 1ghz cpu with 1gig of memory, with a nice gpu? | 08:43 |
| arachnist | more memory might be needed | 08:43 |
| arachnist | but as for a 1GHz cpu? i doubt it | 08:43 |
| yigal | gpu? like tegra2? | 08:44 |
| yigal | for instance | 08:44 |
| sivang | no need for 1gz cpu | 08:44 |
| yigal | sivang: why not? | 08:44 |
| sivang | iPhone has the same hardware like N900 | 08:44 |
| sivang | but is snappier and far more responsive | 08:45 |
| sivang | yigal: http://www.chippc.com/support/downloads/process.asp?id=544 | 08:45 |
| sivang | so, you see, Maemo is a work in progress, we might see a next Nokia device which is atom based (like the new LGs) running meego. | 08:45 |
| sivang | I reckon that would be a leap forward compared to what we have now. | 08:45 |
| yigal | sivang: but this is a chip meant for use in a thin client? | 08:46 |
| sivang | yigal: esentially, a SOC , like the N900 is based on. | 08:46 |
| yigal | sivang: yes, I hope we do see it | 08:46 |
| yigal | the atom based meego device, and soon | 08:47 |
| sivang | yigal: only we had not FPU (so we had to manually bootstrap GNU toolchain to be hard float clean) and I did crazy stuff at userland level to make boot more quick, to make it eat less memory, to have a very thinned firefox etc | 08:47 |
| sivang | yigal: and it was a 400Mhz MIPS | 08:47 |
| sivang | yigal: far harder working conditions than in the N900 ;-) | 08:48 |
| sivang | N900 is like a desktop, it's not just a slogan. | 08:48 |
| yigal | :) | 08:48 |
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| yigal | what about video playback is it mostly a gpu thing or cpu/gpu combo I guess it depends on what the hardware is | 08:49 |
| yigal | my n800 couldn't play a video my G1 could yesterday, it was a sad day | 08:50 |
| sivang | yigal: on JackPC and PLugPC we used hardware acceleration on the GPU, but we had to code that support almost ourselves to the OS. | 08:50 |
| LinuxCode | yigal, and your N800 is how old please ? | 08:50 |
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| sivang | yigal: (e.g. the drivers for linux were not in a agood shape) | 08:50 |
| LinuxCode | that was a very dumb compariosn you made | 08:50 |
| yigal | 2007 I believe? | 08:51 |
| LinuxCode | N810 was out 2007 | 08:51 |
| LinuxCode | q4 or so | 08:51 |
| yigal | LinuxCode: so it is also a matter of software? the n800 could have far better use of it's hardware resources? | 08:51 |
| LinuxCode | yigal, its an old evice | 08:51 |
| LinuxCode | device | 08:51 |
| yigal | january 2007 | 08:51 |
| yigal | that's when it was made avaialble at least via http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N800 | 08:52 |
| yigal | meaning that's where I got the info. | 08:52 |
| yigal | s/avaialable/available/ my apologies | 08:52 |
| sivang | ooo, N800 is old comapring today's smartphones. It's a 400Mhz machine | 08:53 |
| yigal | yes | 08:53 |
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| yigal | sivang: but you were describing a device with 400mhz with the right optimizations as quite usable | 08:54 |
| sivang | yigal: true, but for very limited set of tasks | 08:54 |
| sivang | yigal: as apparent by the application lock down we introduced | 08:54 |
| sivang | yigal: e.g. few apps available, all of them dramatically mangled to take the load and not bring the machine down. | 08:55 |
| yigal | sivang: mplayer? | 08:55 |
| yigal | or something like | 08:55 |
| sivang | yigal: We have a rather strong GPU though, to enable video playbackk | 08:55 |
| yigal | sivang: ah | 08:55 |
| sivang | yigal: and the Multimedia dude did an amazing job making mplayer use soft-float | 08:55 |
| sivang | yigal: not sure what was the GPU in N800/N801 | 08:55 |
| sivang | yigal: and video playback had to be the only taks besides the OS's background hear beat. | 08:57 |
| sivang | yigal: Multi tasking was not really possible | 08:57 |
| sivang | s/taks/task/ | 08:57 |
| yigal | I don't think it has a seperate gpu | 08:57 |
| LinuxCode | integrated PowerVR MBX 2D/3D | 08:58 |
| yigal | right | 08:58 |
| yigal | LinuxCode: ty | 08:58 |
| LinuxCode | http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/6351/15yr.jpg | 08:59 |
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| yigal | I should have probably used all of the command line options for mplayer to drop frames etc to play to video, so I gave up too early | 09:00 |
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| yigal | do people with an n900 take hand written notes, xournal etc., with it on a regular basis? | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | i use conboy usually | 09:12 |
| MiXu- | I don't use handwriting | 09:12 |
| MiXu- | qwerty is faster for me | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | (and my handwriting is shit :P) | 09:12 |
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| yigal | the problem is attempting to draw images, and equations in math/science lectures | 09:15 |
| yigal | notes using qwerty are only so useful | 09:15 |
| yigal | even if I could hammer out 150wpm on a keyboard | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | learn latex? | 09:15 |
| yigal | Stskeeps: I know LaTeX very well but in attempting to write ad hoc notes LaTeX isn't a good solution | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | true | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | bbl breakfast | 09:17 |
| sivang | /me goes for the morning ride and then breakfast. | 09:18 |
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| TigerTael | Uh, this may sound stupid of me, but since I don't have my N900 just yet, is the USB port the only way to charge the phone? | 09:29 |
| slackmagic | TigerTael: wall charger works too :D | 09:30 |
| Shrik3 | but the charger connects to the usb port | 09:30 |
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| Shrik3 | so the answer to his question is "yes" | 09:31 |
| slackmagic | TigerTael: nvm, fail! i misread that question | 09:31 |
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| tg | hm, after installing some apps all my desktop icons and widgets disappeared or became transparent and could not add them back anymore, and also the alarm did not make any sound anymore.. | 09:34 |
| tg | after i removed maegios & extended call log and rebooted it worked again so it must have been caused by one of those i guess | 09:34 |
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| tg | anyone else had sth similar? | 09:35 |
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| TigerTael | Thanks Shrik3. | 09:49 |
| TigerTael | Maybe I should consider a desktop charger or something. | 09:49 |
| Hoxzer | Hmm | 09:49 |
| TigerTael | Or perhaps I should take a pro-active stance and somehow add some support to the usb port. | 09:49 |
| TigerTael | Because I don't think my USB port will last. ;/ | 09:50 |
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| TigerTael | Does anyone know of any tagging software where I can go through the pictures one by one (Not on the N900, just desktop) and quickly tag common tags from a pool? | 09:59 |
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| Shrik3 | lightroom?-) | 09:59 |
| Shrik3 | picasa works too | 09:59 |
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| Wolfie | iPhoto probably works too | 10:00 |
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| TigerTael | Shrik3, I don't want to have to type each one, etc etc. | 10:23 |
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| Shrik3 | with both you can either click on the tag cloud or type the first few letters | 10:24 |
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| Shrik3 | or even tag multiple photos at once | 10:24 |
| Shrik3 | flickr does that too | 10:24 |
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| TigerTael | Nice, which one (non-web) software would you recommend? | 10:24 |
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| TigerTael | Picasa works okay for me, thanks for the hint. | 10:33 |
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| reggna | How do i insert the &-sign on the N900? | 11:16 |
| marmoute | use the symb panel | 11:16 |
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| reggna | Ah, there it was. :) | 11:17 |
| reggna | Thanks. :) | 11:17 |
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| TigerTael | Holy crap, that's a lot of force to push in the usb connector. | 11:29 |
| SpeedEvil | It gets a bit easier after the first couple of cycles. | 11:30 |
| ShadowJK | it varies | 11:30 |
| SpeedEvil | What force? | 11:30 |
| ShadowJK | my car charger's plug could lift a large full soda bottle without coming out :/ | 11:31 |
| TigerTael | I think I need to move those little legs. ;/ | 11:31 |
| TigerTael | *remove | 11:31 |
| * ShadowJK tried pressing down the teeth/hooks on it but it didn't seem to change | 11:31 | |
| SpeedEvil | probably an idea to change the plug | 11:32 |
| SpeedEvil | what force do the supplied plugs need? | 11:32 |
| TigerTael | Not sure, but I was worried about damaging it already when I tried pushing it in. ;/ | 11:32 |
| SpeedEvil | This is the first time? | 11:32 |
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| TigerTael | Yeah... | 11:33 |
| TigerTael | And what with all the USB port stories going around... I can see why. ;/ | 11:33 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil: when new mine probably required 10-20N to remove | 11:33 |
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| TigerTael | Sounds about the same. | 11:34 |
| TigerTael | It's mad... | 11:34 |
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| TigerTael | Definitely going to remove those teeth/legs. | 11:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | plugin force here is 1.5kg | 11:35 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 11:35 |
| SpeedEvil | 1.2 | 11:35 |
| ShadowJK | did you import yours? | 11:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | with the supplied USB lead | 11:35 |
| ShadowJK | speedevil: oh got measurement tools? | 11:35 |
| SpeedEvil | kitchen scale | 11:36 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 11:36 |
| SpeedEvil | clamp USB lead vertically in small clamp | 11:36 |
| TigerTael | I think I'm going to file off those legs/teeth inside. | 11:36 |
| SpeedEvil | place on scale, zero, carefully press down | 11:36 |
| tybollt | this is interesting | 11:37 |
| tybollt | I have the E71 as well | 11:37 |
| tybollt | On the E71 plugging the USB cord is seamless, always works, no resistance or anything | 11:38 |
| tybollt | and yet on the N900 it's such a hassle | 11:38 |
| tybollt | still - same usb-cable, just the phones that diff | 11:38 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvik: got a N810 to compare witt? | 11:38 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: what insertion force? | 11:39 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: or just hard to find the hole | 11:39 |
| MiXu- | Mine isn't _that_ stiff | 11:39 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: TWSS | 11:39 |
| Shrik3 | does the N810 load from the usb port? | 11:39 |
| Shrik3 | s/load/charge/ | 11:39 |
| infobot | Shrik3 meant: does the N810 charge from the usb port? | 11:39 |
| tybollt | MiXu-: TWSS | 11:39 |
| ShadowJK | shrik3: no, but it has a microusb port | 11:40 |
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| tybollt | SpeedEvil: I couldn'ät possibly measure the insertion force actually | 11:40 |
| MiXu- | I've played around with tens of N900's and had no problems with the usb port. | 11:40 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: no scale handy? | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | TigerTael: strongly discourraged to rework the micro-USB plug. | 11:40 |
| marmoute | 600g for me | 11:40 |
| SpeedEvil | It would be good if there was a exact partnumber | 11:41 |
| SpeedEvil | For the USB | 11:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | so we could say 'insertion force exceeds absolute maximum'. | 11:41 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: but the point I'm making is - Inserting it in the E71... I can do that w/ eyes closed, w/ a single hand w/ the phone still on the nightstand. In the N900 case I have to pick it up, turn on the light, carefully aim and then wiggle a little bit and thrust a little bit to get it in. | 11:41 |
| Shrik3 | that's N-series build quality for you =) | 11:42 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil: it's not the port itself that breaks? | 11:42 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: as I understand it, that's unlikely. | 11:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: it will be the attachment to the board. | 11:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: but the attachment points to the board are sized based on the nominal force to connect. | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: those parameters are specified in general USB specs | 11:43 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 11:43 |
| rmrfchik | hmm, nokia's skype replaces full name to login name every time when it logging in | 11:43 |
| ShadowJK | from that massive thread I get the impression that the traces/lands/whateverJimnotapcbexpert detach | 11:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 11:43 |
| ShadowJK | So the port doesn't break, and it stays attached, but the thing it's attached to peels off? | 11:44 |
| TigerTael | Okay, that's much better. I filed off the legs/teeth on my wallcharger, usb to phone coming next. | 11:44 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yes. | 11:44 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: the port itself is quite robust. It's soldered to a ~2um layer of copper that's glued to the PCB | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: afaik micro-USB receptacle in N900 is spring-attached | 11:45 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: not according to the datasheet | 11:45 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: the headphone jack, antennas are | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 11:46 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 11:46 |
| SpeedEvil | manual | 11:46 |
| ShadowJK | docscrutinizer: the images of broken ports make it look surface mount | 11:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 11:46 |
| ShadowJK | surface mount for the most used port on the device, yes | 11:47 |
| SpeedEvil | there are challenges for making it anything else. | 11:47 |
| ShadowJK | a port that experiences 2kg or more of force multiple times per day | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | hope they got some decent via to enforce that crap | 11:47 |
| ShadowJK | btw, unplugging it requires more force for me than plugging it in | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/enforce/armour/ ? | 11:48 |
| SpeedEvil | you can't easily clip it like the headphone port, as it's very high speed, and that may effect the electrical properties of the connector | 11:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 11:48 |
| SpeedEvil | You can't easily make it through hole, as that changes your whole process flow when you introduce a through-hole component. | 11:48 |
| SpeedEvil | there are no other through-hole components. | 11:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can place solder thru vias under the pads though | 11:49 |
| SpeedEvil | solder is not noted for its great tensile strength. | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | to anchor the pads and contacts to the PCB, not relying on glue only | 11:49 |
| ShadowJK | They probably dont want to attach it to the case either... those highspeed camera clips from the nokia drop tests make it look like attaching anything at all to the case is a bad idea :D | 11:49 |
| SpeedEvil | but, yes. | 11:49 |
| SpeedEvil | highspeed drop porn? | 11:49 |
| SpeedEvil | err tests | 11:49 |
| SpeedEvil | where? | 11:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | I assume it flexes more than you'd expect. | 11:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 8-o | 11:50 |
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| ShadowJK | I forget... it was on one of nokia's youtube channels.. but I forget which multiple personality disorder's youtube channel/blog it was :) | 11:50 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah it looked more like a soccer ball than a case :) | 11:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | nokia n900 stress test | 11:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | on FR we seen quite a number of switches and mini-USB receptacles come off, mostly due to poor soldering. Was always easy to resolder as no harm being done to PCB afaik | 11:51 |
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| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: I think it's the make of the port itself - too | 11:52 |
| ShadowJK | kinda fun setup anyway, dozens of devices being prodded by pneumatic fingers to see if the buttons fail :) | 11:52 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - not that one | 11:52 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: The plug comes in easily on an E71... in N900 you have to force it in there. | 11:52 |
| tybollt | I call poor engineering of the N900 part | 11:53 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder if you can charge through the pads under the battery :) | 11:54 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yes. | 11:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: it'll become more easy with a few hundred rounds of insert/remove. The receptacle probably is built in a way to guarantee minimum mandatory retraction force even after 10.000 rounds, while mini-USB isn't specified for that number of rounds anyway. And E71 might be older and more worn | 11:54 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: where the battery pins are included in that. | 11:54 |
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| ShadowJK | I was hoping microusb pins | 11:55 |
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| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: E71 is certainly microusb mate. | 11:55 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I doubt it somewhat. | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know | 11:55 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: and E71 was as easy as is from day 1. | 11:55 |
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| tybollt | I never had a problem w/ the E71 plug | 11:56 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: The pads are not - apparantly - listed on teh schematic | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: still doesn't mean N900 is borked | 11:56 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: and the schematic differs anyway from the reality | 11:56 |
| ShadowJK | Hey something very weird happened yesterday. My N800's default battery meter was showing sensible values! | 11:56 |
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| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: not saying it is borked. Saying it is worse engineering than in the E71 case. :-| | 11:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | 0% on a definitely dead bat? :-P | 11:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: the receptacle part isn't related to the case at all | 11:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Unless the case pinches it. | 11:58 |
| ShadowJK | docscrutinizer: usually it's like 500mAh off, because it resets to battery-signalled capacity when full... which gets crappier and crappier as battery degrades | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | E71 also might be a AB type receptacle, while N900 definitely has a B type | 11:59 |
| SpeedEvil | The engineering of a port on a phone is pretty much limited to choosing a connector. | 12:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | inserting a B type plug to AB type receptacle obviously might be easier than plugging to B type | 12:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Unless they actually do some engineering to put in a sane dock connector | 12:00 |
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| tybollt | I've no fricken idea | 12:01 |
| ShadowJK | I'm glad popport is dead | 12:01 |
| tybollt | but E71 is WIN - N900 is EPICFAIL | 12:01 |
| tybollt | wrt plugging the connector ;) | 12:01 |
| SpeedEvil | pop-port is much better from a docking connector POV | 12:02 |
| asj- | I'm so tired of hearing how great the e71 is | 12:02 |
| ShadowJK | hm, does e71 no longer have 2mm? | 12:02 |
| SpeedEvil | If that's the port I'm thinking of | 12:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | just for the records, a guestimated 500g insertion force here, both charger plug and USB cable to host, on both N900 and N810 | 12:02 |
| asj- | it's a fine phone, but it sucks in so many ways | 12:02 |
| asj- | ShadowJK: e71 has 2mm, no usb charging | 12:03 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil: popport has same problem as nintendo cartridges. Needs some rubbing, blowing and other acts of perversion to work | 12:03 |
| tybollt | eeeh | 12:03 |
| tybollt | sorry guys, I'm talking out of my (hairy) arse today | 12:03 |
| tybollt | I am getting at the E75 | 12:03 |
| tybollt | the symbian slider | 12:03 |
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| asj- | don | 12:04 |
| ShadowJK | ah, I have an e75 too | 12:04 |
| asj- | don't get me started on the e75 kb | 12:04 |
| * tybollt gives asj a pink pony ;) | 12:04 | |
| SpeedEvil | Can I have one too? | 12:04 |
| ShadowJK | hm, it took me a week or two to get used to e75 kb | 12:04 |
| * SpeedEvil gets out his cookbook. | 12:04 | |
| tybollt | ShadowJK: so do try the same usb-cable on both that and the 900, compare them | 12:04 |
| * asj- shows tybollt what aussies (or kiwis) do with Pink Ponies | 12:05 | |
| asj- | ;) | 12:05 |
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| tybollt | asj-: You can't paint this IRC-channel red mate :) | 12:05 |
| zaheerm | i have an e71 but it is awesome, but the n900 is much more awesome :) | 12:06 |
| zash | awesomer? | 12:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: so I suggest to report that problem of excessive insertion force to your dealer, so if you suffer from a really broken USB receptacle eventually, you have a way to document it's a production issue rather than you breaking it by rude handling | 12:07 |
| tybollt | ShadowJK: what's the verdict then? | 12:07 |
| ShadowJK | I dont have e75 nearby right now | 12:07 |
| tigert | hmm | 12:07 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: Well I never had to manhandle it actually... I just wiggle it... and usually it comes out fine :) | 12:07 |
| ShadowJK | will test this evening | 12:07 |
| tigert | I have had several N900 units | 12:07 |
| tigert | none of them had a broken usb port | 12:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: wiggle is worst thing you can do to it | 12:08 |
| tigert | I didnt trip on the cords though, nor did I especially hamfist them either | 12:08 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: NOW you're telling me??? aaaaargh :D | 12:08 |
| tigert | but they have been ok | 12:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Pulling straight out is bestcase | 12:08 |
| tybollt | no | 12:08 |
| tybollt | pulling straight out would require a shitload of force | 12:08 |
| tybollt | I mean _shitload_ | 12:08 |
| tybollt | metric ton worth of | 12:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't matter | 12:09 |
| tigert | tybollt: something wrong wiht the port then? | 12:09 |
| tigert | or you are just weak :) | 12:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | it'lll become better with time | 12:09 |
| SpeedEvil | pulling straight out is the direction it's strongest - the attachment | 12:09 |
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| ShadowJK | yeah, I can't get any pulled out straight.. I need to do it one side at a time... I guess it's the two hooks | 12:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: listen to SpeedEvil | 12:09 |
| tigert | I usually pry it straignt out by pushing my fingers on both sides against the device side | 12:09 |
| SpeedEvil | (well - actually pulling slightly out and up in the plane of the PCB | 12:09 |
| SpeedEvil | but straight out is the same | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | tigert: exactly | 12:10 |
| tybollt | ShadowJK++ | 12:10 |
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| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: what sjk says | 12:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it was the same with mine for the first 50 or 100 rounds | 12:11 |
| ShadowJK | and I do it same way as tybollt does.. I'm not sure if I'd be able to unplug it at all by holding the plug in one hand and device in other hand | 12:11 |
| ShadowJK | too much force needed :/ | 12:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | torsion force is worst thing you can do to the receptacle - that'S all I can say | 12:12 |
| ShadowJK | sure | 12:13 |
| ShadowJK | but straight out probably doubles the required force | 12:13 |
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| ShadowJK | hm, I should borrow one of those fisherman's scales | 12:14 |
| tigert | this kind of discussion can only happen among geeks :) | 12:14 |
| tigert | just fscking plug and unplug | 12:14 |
| ShadowJK | the one to hang fish in to weigh them | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | so support the case by pressing your knuckles of the both retracting fingers against it, while holding the plug with your nails next to the gab between plug and case | 12:14 |
| ShadowJK | and see how many kilos I need to unplug straight :) | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc one of the prerequisites for micro-USB specs by usb consortium was to have higher retraction force compared to mini. Also have at least 10.000 round as compared to 5000 non mandatory for mini | 12:17 |
| SpeedEvil | There is an easy way of measuring pullout force. Use the formula F=(rpm/60)*2*pi/.183 | 12:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Now, get a stopwatch and the standard USB lead. | 12:17 |
| villager | I don't need much force to unplug mine, never did, so if you need a lot of force, it's not a general problem | 12:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Whirl the n900 round your head by the cord, slowly increasing velocity, and time the RPM when it flies off. | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | villager: ++ | 12:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though I remember it was for the very first few inserts/retracts | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: :-D | 12:19 |
| ShadowJK | it's probably around 5kg straight pullout for me :P | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: that's too much | 12:19 |
| SpeedEvil | It's around 2 here | 12:19 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: with the stock cables? | 12:19 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil: well you could just use the accelerometer to measure peak | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: :-D ++ | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | now *that's* a geek talk | 12:20 |
| villager | yeah maybe it took a bit more power the first few times after I bought it, but not terribly much... on the other hand, I'm naturally strong, I guess | 12:20 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil: with Nokia's car charger. I spent a weekend excercising the hooks on wallcharger cable with my thumbnail | 12:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | hawt. | 12:20 |
| SpeedEvil | That would be a valid thing in bugzilla. | 12:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Does force x insertion/retraction violate design limits. | 12:21 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 12:22 |
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| ShadowJK | the answer is whine at nokia care :) | 12:22 |
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| * SpeedEvil considers getting out of bed. | 12:23 | |
| SpeedEvil | I might have a 2000W 50KHz powersupply coming today. | 12:23 |
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| zash | SpeedEvil: but why? | 12:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | I plan to see if my n900 will charge from this. (not really) | 12:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Induction cooker. | 12:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Or that's what it says on the box. | 12:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 12:24 |
| SpeedEvil | It may get used somewhat for other stuff in addition. | 12:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you gave up on retrofitting your microwave bread maker machine with a FR based controller, or what? | 12:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: no - seperate project | 12:26 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: the microwave will never be usable for pans. | 12:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (micro-USB force) might well be possible there crept in some bad batch of components for the recepacle, or they got some mechanical problems with their assembly line or reflow deforming the component | 12:28 |
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| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: possible | 12:28 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: anybody w/ E75 can verify the diff... | 12:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | Other problem is that even if it lasts 12mo - say - ... | 12:29 |
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| crashanddie | I never thought I'd say this | 12:31 |
| crashanddie | but thank god for stereo vision | 12:31 |
| crashanddie | I CAN SEE FROM BOTH EYES AGAIN! | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: yours back to normal? | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh! :-D | 12:31 |
| crashanddie | not entirely, I still have massive blurriness | 12:31 |
| crashanddie | as in, I can't recognise faces on the TV about 10 ft away | 12:32 |
| crashanddie | and only a very small spot is sharp, so reading is very hard | 12:32 |
| crashanddie | but at least my mac is doing the heavy lifting, and reading whatever happens on screen :D | 12:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: lklrsJK HNKSDJKH hbfhlhjs dsjkkd eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | read this ;-P | 12:33 |
| crashanddie | fucker | 12:33 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: You lost vision when that asshole attacked you the other day? :-( | 12:33 |
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| crashanddie | yeah, pretty much | 12:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | :/ | 12:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Glad it's getting better. | 12:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | The easy intermediate solution is to hold out your finger in the air, and rotate it in a clockwise circle if you want to see distant things more clearly. | 12:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-P that's a joke for timeless though | 12:36 |
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| crashanddie | didn't get that | 12:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | the browser zoom gesture | 12:38 |
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| mece | hehehe | 12:39 |
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| karlosos | hey guys anybody there | 12:59 |
| karlosos | i want to know if i should put i virus programme on my n900 if so which is best | 12:59 |
| crashanddie | karlosos: no, you are all alone | 12:59 |
| karlosos | lol | 12:59 |
| crashanddie | karlosos: no, you don't | 12:59 |
| karlosos | but what about roaming | 13:00 |
| crashanddie | anyone who puts an antivirus app on their phone is an idiot | 13:00 |
| bidossessi | lol | 13:00 |
| karlosos | what stops viruses getting on ya phone though | 13:00 |
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| voidprayer | Excuse me, what is the dialer program of Maemo? | 13:00 |
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| crashanddie | karlosos: unless you download viruses (of which there are none at the moment), there is no reason to suspect viruses will magically appear | 13:01 |
| bidossessi | karlosos, for starters, maemo runs on linux, and is afaik virus-free for now. please keep us posted on any virus repot you hear of on that platform | 13:01 |
| karlosos | ok i will do cheers | 13:01 |
| karlosos | just was thinking cause it was a pc phone virus programme was a must but you have pointed me in the right direction and is all good thanks | 13:02 |
| bidossessi | karlosos, please read up on linux and virus, so as to complete your mental picture and truly appreciate the value of your maemo phone OS platform :) | 13:03 |
| karlosos | i also tried to flash my phone to the new firmware cause uk doesnt have it yet but when i come to install it wont work i follow instructions and wont load any idea what i am doing wrong | 13:03 |
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| karlosos | i run the new firmware app and a black screen flashes up then dissappears | 13:04 |
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| andre__ | karlosos, what exact steps did you follow? | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | karlosos: this is a report too generic to answer | 13:06 |
| andre__ | which operating system do you use? | 13:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | karlosos: please see http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 13:06 |
| karlosos | i am on vista i went into command and changed what it asked me to to flash 3.5 then plugged my phone in and set it to flasher mode well switched off then run the firmware but it just flashed up and dissappeared and phone never did anything tried it twice now and nothing | 13:08 |
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| villager | he should also learn about sentences and how people usually separate them... | 13:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | karlosos: the wiki is a little fuzzy on flashing instructions. For N900 the correct sequence is: switch OFF N900, start flasher-3.5, plug in N900 (will power up automatically) | 13:10 |
| karlosos | when i start the command do i leave command open or shut it down | 13:11 |
| karlosos | do i need the download on my phone or pc | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's not completely clear if holding "u" key during plugging in USB is needed on N900 | 13:11 |
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| karlosos | i press the u key and plug in the screen stay dark but can just see the connected symbol | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | fine, so if you started flasher prior to that, it should kick off automatically in plugin | 13:13 |
| karlosos | should the screen be dark when i have plugged in | 13:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd guess yes | 13:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | can't remember - too many days ago since I flashed last time | 13:15 |
| karlosos | also my download shows up with no programme to run it should i reinstall flasher | 13:15 |
| mece | karlosos, did you check this wiki: http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing | 13:15 |
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| karlosos | yes mece thats where i got my info from also on maemo where is the same | 13:15 |
| karlosos | my firmware was downloaded to my pc should i have downloaded it to the phone or is it right on the pc | 13:17 |
| nid0 | the firmware and flasher need to be on your pc. | 13:17 |
| karlosos | the firmware isnt noticed by flasher is that right | 13:17 |
| nid0 | if the "firmware isnt noticed" its because you arent putting in the path/filename right when you try to run the flashing command | 13:18 |
| nid0 | load flasher, turn phone off, press u, plug phone in, enter the flash command in flasher > phone flashes | 13:18 |
| karlosos | i think i now where i have gone wrong i downloaded uk flashe and global firmware is that the problem do u think | 13:18 |
| nid0 | no such thing | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | karlosos: from wiki: ""Download the latest firmware (.bin) file and save it to %ProgramFiles%\maemo\flasher-3.5\ (the default installation path for Flasher) or to the custom path of your choice."" | 13:19 |
| nid0 | the flasher's the flasher | 13:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and global version firmware should be good enough for flashing any device | 13:19 |
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| karlosos | ok i will have another try | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | nid0: nope. The correct sequence is "start flasher, *then* plug in" | 13:20 |
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| nid0 | thats what i said | 13:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, "enter flash cmd in flasher" - I assume that's windoze idiosyncrasies. No idea about that, sorry | 13:22 |
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| karlosos | the 'u' key is just the u key right lol | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | though wiki also tells 1) Hold the u key on the keyboard and connect the USB --- 2) Run the following command: | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | this should be swapped | 13:23 |
| nid0 | it does work fine that way round though, I tried communications both ways before flashing mine and it picked it up fine | 13:23 |
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| nid0 | if you run the command first it sits at waiting for usb device till you press u and connect, if you press u and connect first then run it, it just goes straight on with flashing | 13:24 |
| andre__ | DocScrutinizer, it works both ways, if one is fast enough. at least here :) | 13:24 |
| karlosos | ok i think where i saved the file is the mistake | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | except if device decides to crank up mass storage mode | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's on linux though | 13:25 |
| nid0 | it shouldnt do with u pressed, I think thats the difference - if you run flasher first you can plugin without needing to press u, but if you plugin first you need u pressed | 13:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | would make sense, yes. I seem to remember I had problems with "u" not performing as supposed | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably the question of *when* you start to hold "u" | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin wiki could use some screen printouts of flasher output, for reference | 13:30 |
| nid0 | probably be an idea to add info to it about the device information command, think it's just the -i switch or similar (it's in flasher's readme) - useful to just make sure that the flasher software's actually seeing the phone properly | 13:31 |
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| karlosos | still no go just followed your instructions and still nothing | 13:33 |
| nid0 | "nothing" = what? | 13:33 |
| karlosos | it flashes up a command then dissappears straight away | 13:34 |
| karlosos | has if my pc doesnt know what its doing | 13:34 |
| nid0 | you're executing flasher via the run box arent you | 13:34 |
| karlosos | no it says enter command | 13:35 |
| karlosos | but when i enter command brings a box up and dissappears straight away | 13:35 |
| nid0 | clarify | 13:35 |
| karlosos | brings up a second command box | 13:36 |
| nid0 | you type "cmd" into your start menu's run box and it just vanishes? | 13:36 |
| karlosos | but cant read what it says cause dissappears straight away | 13:36 |
| karlosos | no after i put the second command in it brings up a second command box | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | he's not using terminal (err dosbox or what ever it's called) | 13:36 |
| Arif_ | GOOD MORNING | 13:36 |
| Arif_ | :D | 13:36 |
| karlosos | i am using command in accessories | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually the wiki doesn't tell to use cmd | 13:37 |
| nid0 | it does | 13:37 |
| nid0 | and you need to | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | it just says "Run the following command:" | 13:37 |
| nid0 | step 5 of the windows walkthrough | 13:38 |
| nid0 | "5.Open the Command Prompt (Start then Run or Windows Logo key + R) and type cmd then press Enter. " | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah ok | 13:38 |
| karlosos | i have my command box open with programmefiles/maemo/flasher-3.5 | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what's next step you do? | 13:39 |
| karlosos | flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 13:39 |
| karlosos | plug n900 in then put that command | 13:39 |
| Arif_ | 51.1? | 13:39 |
| karlosos | its one i downloaded | 13:39 |
| nid0 | type in | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | you seen "Replace RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin with the firmware you wish to update." on wiki? | 13:40 |
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| nid0 | flasher-3.5.exe -i | 13:40 |
| lardman | morning | 13:40 |
| nid0 | with the phone unplugged | 13:40 |
| nid0 | or yea, just tying in the right run helps | 13:40 |
| nid0 | s/run/bin | 13:40 |
| * Arif_ is still waiting for PR1.2 ={ | 13:41 | |
| karlosos | so i needed to put replace in thats i mistake i did lol | 13:41 |
| nid0 | .. | 13:41 |
| Arif_ | o.o | 13:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~lart wiki-editor of flashing page | 13:42 |
| * infobot decapitates wiki-editor of flashing page conan the destroyer style | 13:42 | |
| tybollt | Arif_: didn't you know this is why Nookla has respresentatives in this IRC channel. So the Nookla reps have a word highlight on "PR 1.2" and then they all gather up and laught hysterically at us whenever someone collects a "PR 1.2" from an IRC-channel, community forum, or wherever ;) | 13:42 |
| Arif_ | oh so THAT's why Nokia phones are so overpriced! | 13:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Arif_: so stop mentioning this word, so nokians get bored with that game | 13:43 |
| tybollt | >:) | 13:43 |
| * Arif_ waits for PR1.3 then | 13:43 | |
| Arif_ | :P | 13:43 |
| nid0 | what word, PR1.2? | 13:44 |
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| Arif_ | maybe they'll port iPhone OS to the N900 | 13:44 |
| Arif_ | =D | 13:44 |
| tybollt | again | 13:45 |
| tybollt | why on earth | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | they'll port Balmer to your brain | 13:45 |
| tybollt | the n900 is there because people wanted to opt OUT of N900 | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | huh? | 13:45 |
| tybollt | eh | 13:45 |
| Arif_ | what? | 13:45 |
| tybollt | the n900 is there because people wanted to opt OUT of the iPhone hystery | 13:45 |
| Lumpio- | I, for one, like my multitasking. | 13:46 |
| crashanddie | how do I upload stuff to garage? | 13:46 |
| hrw | Arif_: 1.3? not 2.0? | 13:46 |
| Arif_ | I hear 2.0 is for new devices only | 13:47 |
| Arif_ | :p | 13:47 |
| lardman | crashanddie: what sort of stuff? | 13:47 |
| crashanddie | source code | 13:47 |
| lardman | svn | 13:48 |
| crashanddie | I need to release the codebase for MWKN | 13:48 |
| crashanddie | I need an SSH key right? | 13:48 |
| crashanddie | going for a ciggie, will look into it afterwards | 13:48 |
| lardman | hmm, has been a long time | 13:48 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: I've had to limit the features that are going to be in this release due to my accident | 13:48 |
| lardman | are there no destructions anywhere? | 13:48 |
| crashanddie | probably | 13:49 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: I'll leave you to deploy it on mwkn.net if you want to go with it, I'll upload it to beta so you can test it | 13:50 |
| lardman | see if X-Fade knows, sorry has been archived or deleted from my brain | 13:50 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: at the moment it opens a popup javascript window which loads the quote page to allow easy selection. | 13:51 |
| crashanddie | oh crap... snow in spain/france | 13:51 |
| crashanddie | why the fuck is it that everytime I need to fly anywhere there's snow involved? | 13:51 |
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| lardman | it's cold at 35k' | 13:52 |
| crashanddie | when I was in southern france, I couldn't fly back to the UK brecause of the snow, and this weekend I'll be flying from London to northern spain and there's snow again! | 13:52 |
| crashanddie | IN MARCH! | 13:52 |
| crashanddie | ok, really need ciggy now, 'later | 13:52 |
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| * lardman wonders if someone will have released a bt enabled digital compass since yesterday | 13:59 | |
| * lardman thinks it unlikely so decides to do some work instead | 13:59 | |
| satmd | will have released? | 14:00 |
| crashanddie | satmd: yes, that's conditional future, also valid would be "would have released" | 14:02 |
| tybollt | lardman: even if there was one - how'd you make $APP use it? :) | 14:02 |
| crashanddie | satmd: if you really want to be pendantic however, you should criticise tybollt for saying "even if there was one" instead of "even if there were one" | 14:03 |
| tybollt | ouch | 14:04 |
| tybollt | touché crashanddie | 14:04 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Cool; hope everything's ok | 14:04 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: I'll live, I just hope I'll get my 10/10 again | 14:04 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: You should be able to `svn commit' if you've done an `svn checkout'. No SSH set up or anything, just uses garage username & password | 14:05 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: don't know if I did a svn checkout | 14:05 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: will see, I have to remember to remove the passwords :P | 14:05 |
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| thorbjorn | Test | 14:07 |
| nomis | thorbjorn: succeeded. | 14:07 |
| thorbjorn | Yay. :) | 14:07 |
| thorbjorn | Irssi was saying I was banned, hence I couldn't change nick while I was in here. :/ | 14:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | heh, is this chan still +Q or +B or sth? | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | +R even | 14:12 |
| Arif_ | yes | 14:13 |
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| thorbjorn | Ok, I guess that explains. Still, saying I am banned it quite confusing. | 14:13 |
| thorbjorn | is quite* | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | shouldn't be like that | 14:14 |
| * DocScrutinizer remembers crashanddie messing around with +/-q/Q catchall | 14:14 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | /mode #maemo q -> [Bannliste: #maemo] $~a eingetragen von crashanddie am 2010-03-08 04:20 :-((( | 14:16 |
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| nomis | what is "q" in this context? | 14:19 |
| crashanddie | quiet | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | must not post | 14:19 |
| crashanddie | $~a means everyone who isn't registered | 14:19 |
| nomis | ah | 14:19 |
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| rmrfchik | o_O | 14:30 |
| tybollt | O_o | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | rmrfchik: .oO(???) | 14:31 |
| tybollt | x_O | 14:31 |
| rmrfchik | GET UP AND DANCE | 14:31 |
| tybollt | \o/ \\o o// _o/ \o_ | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 14:32 |
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| crashanddie | rmrfchik: bash.org much? | 14:33 |
| rmrfchik | a liitle. haven't been there for a years. but this never get from top | 14:34 |
| rmrfchik | my favorite among the lost computer | 14:34 |
| karlosos | is noobmonk3y about | 14:34 |
| rmrfchik | does n900 has the compass? | 14:34 |
| tybollt | no it does not | 14:34 |
| tybollt | comp-ass | 14:35 |
| karlosos | but you can get it | 14:35 |
| tybollt | karlosos: how? | 14:35 |
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| rmrfchik | comp-ass and keep-ass | 14:35 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: Would you mind stop doing that? | 14:35 |
| karlosos | there is an american site where you can pay for apps | 14:35 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 14:35 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: what's he doing? | 14:35 |
| andre__ | karlosos, please check your facts first? | 14:35 |
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| karlosos | you can get a fingerprint recognition software too but they charge you for it | 14:36 |
| andre__ | karlosos: if hardware is missing, hardware is missing. no software app will fix that. | 14:36 |
| crashanddie | karlosos: what are you talking about? | 14:36 |
| andre__ | karlosos, sure you talk about a Nokia N900? | 14:36 |
| tybollt | karlosos: URL to the site. | 14:36 |
| crashanddie | karlosos: that's a con | 14:36 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: no | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | +q karlosos | 14:36 |
| crashanddie | karlosos: you're probably downloading crapware, please don't recommend it | 14:36 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: ? :S | 14:36 |
| karlosos | compass meaning a compass on ya screen lol if not dont know what your on about | 14:36 |
| karlosos | i aint recomending | 14:37 |
| tybollt | grrrr | 14:37 |
| karlosos | just saying there are places you can get stuff | 14:37 |
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| karlosos | might not be safe so i wouldnt try | 14:37 |
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| crashanddie | karlosos: private message | 14:37 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: sorry, my network is quasi flaky, and i'm mobile | 14:38 |
| tybollt | fair enough | 14:39 |
| nid0 | i'd be quite interested in you /msg'ing that site to me as well | 14:39 |
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| tybollt | nid0: no he's bullshiting you | 14:39 |
| crashanddie | nid0: you're an idiot | 14:39 |
| asj- | timeless_mbp: <shrug> it's a join/quit/join it's not even that bad...someone's over sensitive | 14:39 |
| nid0 | I am? | 14:40 |
| crashanddie | nid0: don't trust websites that charge you money for apps, when obviously nobody has ever heard about it | 14:40 |
| nid0 | obviously | 14:40 |
| tybollt | asj-: I am indeed, other story, other channel. | 14:40 |
| nid0 | i'm not an idiot. | 14:40 |
| nid0 | curiosity != moron | 14:40 |
| tybollt | anyway | 14:40 |
| tybollt | there HAS been talk about an onboard compass soledered on there but not software unlocked... | 14:41 |
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| tybollt | I'd say it is atleast plausible or concievable there could be one... but well... | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-03-10 12:59:15] * lardman wonders if someone will have released a bt enabled digital compass since yesterday | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-03-10 12:59:36] * lardman thinks it unlikely so decides to do some work instead | 14:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: there IS NO compass on N900 motherboard (or anywhere else inside that case for this behalf) | 14:42 |
| asj- | I think he's implying sending compas data over bt like nema | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 14:43 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: jaja | 14:43 |
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| tybollt | and well yes, the digi compass thing - even if there were BT ones. How'd you make say Ovi Maps use it? | 14:44 |
| tybollt | Since it is not on the device nokia will not make apps that uses it - right? | 14:44 |
| The_Tall1 | Hi. Depending on http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Using_Python_in_Maemo there is no unittest module for python on N810, only in SDK. But this was 2007, any changes for Diablo? | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: obviously not at all | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | no way | 14:44 |
| tybollt | Right | 14:44 |
| tybollt | exactly | 14:45 |
| asj- | n97 ovi maps didn't use the compass till pr2.0 | 14:45 |
| asj- | (timeframe anyways) | 14:45 |
| tybollt | asj-: but it was known that the compass was on there, ie it was presented by Symbian OS so you could make apps for it? | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: you *might* hack the GPS NMEA to make the velocity vector become 0 but point to the right direction | 14:46 |
| asj- | too bad that phone has the worst gps antenna invented, it would have made a good navigator | 14:46 |
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| asj- | tybollt: yes it was well known | 14:46 |
| tybollt | Oh well :) | 14:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | NMEA also does compasses | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: really? | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | the GPS NMEA as well?? | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds like a silly idea | 14:48 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 14:48 |
| SpeedEvil | NMEA was originally a boating thing | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know | 14:48 |
| asj- | yeah sure does, lol, heading | 14:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Or at least inspired | 14:48 |
| asj- | http://www.yachtbits.com/nasa/nmea_compass_sensor.php | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | asj-: heading != compass | 14:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.nasamarine.com/proddetail.php?prod=32_NMEA_Compass | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik | 14:49 |
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| asj- | how does heading differ from compass data? | 14:49 |
| SpeedEvil | asj-: walk backwards | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess(!) heading is the velocity vector | 14:50 |
| SpeedEvil | asj-: you're pointing south while moving north | 14:50 |
| asj- | SpeedEvil: I can't chew gum then ;) | 14:50 |
| tybollt | :D | 14:50 |
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| asj- | SpeedEvil: point taken though, but the device we both pasted same device is used for exactly that, interesting for 10hz output they need a gyro stabalized version | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, ??? | 14:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | asj-: you can't accurately compute 'down' with just accellerometers and magnetometer if your compass is accellerating randomly. | 14:53 |
| SpeedEvil | asj-: As indeed it may on a boar. | 14:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Boat too. | 14:54 |
| asj- | if you are on a boar I suspect you have bigger problems | 14:54 |
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| asj- | bed time | 14:55 |
| SpeedEvil | night | 14:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you're sure you're speaking English? Sounds to me like Engrish | 14:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes. | 14:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 10hz output, gyro stabilization, accel & magnetometer to calculate "down" - sorry doesn't make *any* sense to me | 14:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ok. | 14:57 |
| SpeedEvil | The earths magnetic field at any point on the earths surface is a vector. | 14:58 |
| karlosos | ok so i found out i wasnt flashing wrong it was vista. Needed to change the file name to something smaller cause vista doesnt read long filenames apparently | 14:58 |
| SpeedEvil | If you simply take the components of that vector - bow-stern and starboard-port - on the deck of your boat - and work out your direction from that, it will both be inaccurate other than pointing north or south or east or west, and whenever the boat tilts. | 14:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooh tilt | 15:00 |
| SpeedEvil | You need to also know what down is - in order to compare the vector of the magnetic field with the down vector - and work out your pointing. | 15:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I se | 15:00 |
| * RST38h yawns at all the present | 15:00 | |
| DocScrutinizer | see | 15:00 |
| SpeedEvil | For a non-accellerating compass, this can be done with just an accellerometer. | 15:00 |
| SpeedEvil | If you're accellerating, you need gyros too. | 15:00 |
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| range | And Ouzo! | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 15:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Today I made a water-bowl compass. | 15:01 |
| SpeedEvil | To work out if you could use magnets to stop balloon payloads twisting on their string. | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | accidentally? :-D | 15:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | It was either that, or spend half an hour trying to remember how to integrate the interaction of two magnetic fields, and being unsure I'd done it right. | 15:02 |
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| RST38h | SpeedEvil: You definitely want small jet engines with that! | 15:02 |
| * RST38h hides | 15:03 | |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: not so easy on 1Kg payloads. | 15:03 |
| SpeedEvil | http://ukhas.org.uk/ | 15:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Fun stuff - 10mW comms going 500km | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 15:03 |
| RST38h | well, really small jet engines | 15:04 |
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| RST38h | Why 10mW though? | 15:04 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: regulatory limit | 15:04 |
| SpeedEvil | (in the UK) | 15:04 |
| RST38h | tough | 15:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | Recent launches we've had >5 people tracking launches and uploading their recieved data to a live tracker. | 15:05 |
| SpeedEvil | With real-time updating of a predicted path from the current point using atmospheric models. | 15:06 |
| SpeedEvil | atmospheric weather models. | 15:06 |
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| RST38h | ioquake3 got updated | 15:09 |
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| Arif_ | does it make toast now? | 15:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Arif_: no - you still need to do lots of 3g transfer to make toast | 15:12 |
| Arif_ | aww | 15:12 |
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| * SpeedEvil wonders about purchasing broken n900s. | 15:17 | |
| RST38h | it no longer starts | 15:18 |
| Arif_ | why would you buy broken hardware | 15:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Arif_: to disassemble. | 15:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Several reasons - as parts to mod with - and for information | 15:18 |
| Arif_ | you should mod the speakers | 15:19 |
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| Arif_ | and then mod my N900 | 15:19 |
| Arif_ | :P | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Arif_: probaby very non-trivial | 15:19 |
| Arif_ | you should anyway :P | 15:19 |
| Arif_ | replace them with the 5800 or N95 ones | 15:19 |
| Arif_ | =) | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Arif_: it'd involve sourcing speakers that would fit in the same places. | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | And are louder, and don't sound bad. | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | This is likely to take _lots_ of effort. | 15:20 |
| MiXu- | Why would you mod the speakers. They aren't that bad. | 15:20 |
| SpeedEvil | As the sort of speakers aren't readily available. | 15:20 |
| Arif_ | easier to wait for a new device? :p | 15:20 |
| Arif_ | MiXu-, they're a cracklefest if you put them on max | 15:20 |
| Arif_ | =} | 15:20 |
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| MiXu- | Let me rephrase. They aren't that bad considering it's a cellphone. | 15:21 |
| Arif_ | they're horrible for a cellphone ! | 15:21 |
| SpeedEvil | But for example, it would be a lot easier to work out what all the debug pads did if you could open it up and look. | 15:21 |
| MiXu- | And when you're talking about cellphones, the speakers are crap by definition. | 15:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | where open it up possibly includes desoldering all the parts | 15:21 |
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| * Arif_ will probably go to a symbian phone if coreplayer gets releaed for it :D | 15:22 | |
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| RST38h | coreplayer exists for symbian | 15:22 |
| Arif_ | not for v5 | 15:22 |
| RST38h | so, do not let the revolving door stop you | 15:22 |
| Arif_ | only on 3rd edition | 15:22 |
| * RST38h has seen coreplayer on v5, in the last 6 months | 15:23 | |
| RST38h | or maybe it was the smartplayer | 15:23 |
| Arif_ | and you got it to work? :P | 15:23 |
| RST38h | seemed to work ok on a few sample videos | 15:23 |
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| petur | Does somebody know how the HAM schedules its updates? It downloads 5+ MB everytime so I want to reduce its frequency or even switch to manual updates. | 15:24 |
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| Arif_ | http://coreplayer.com/content/view/28/69/ | 15:24 |
| Arif_ | no s60v5 there | 15:24 |
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| RST38h | smartplayer then | 15:25 |
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| Arif_ | you mean smartmovie? | 15:25 |
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| RST38h | yea | 15:25 |
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| Arif_ | that's the biggest pos I've ever used | 15:26 |
| Arif_ | on the 6600 :P | 15:26 |
| RST38h | well, looked ok to me both on e70 and the 5800 | 15:26 |
| RST38h | have to recode movies for it though | 15:26 |
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| Arif_ | and it doesn't have the feature I use the msot in coreplayer (streaming) | 15:27 |
| RST38h | oh well, I guess you will have to suffer n900 then | 15:27 |
| Arif_ | it's not bad compared to android/WM/iPhone :P | 15:27 |
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| lardman | that compass looks quite chunky | 15:31 |
| lardman | and getting dear with the addition of power + a serial BT dongle | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: get another one for me ;-) - I wonder if the FM-TX might be reworked to operate at 433 @ 10mW | 15:31 |
| Arif_ | oo | 15:31 |
| Arif_ | new DVBViewer version | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | should make a nice payload | 15:32 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I wish the fmrx and the fmtx was integrated. | 15:32 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: the fmtx has a nice antenna tuner on it | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 15:32 |
| dneary | Hi all | 15:32 |
| dneary | X-Fade, Busy? | 15:32 |
| lardman | hi Dave | 15:32 |
| dneary | Hi lardman | 15:32 |
| tybollt | Arif_: dvbviewer?? | 15:33 |
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| Arif_ | on PC :P | 15:33 |
| tybollt | meh | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: auto SWR adaption | 15:33 |
| FIQ | hm | 15:34 |
| FIQ | the fedora livecd failed. :( | 15:34 |
| FIQ | (i'm going to install Fedora on my pc) | 15:34 |
| FIQ | anyway | 15:34 |
| FIQ | no chromium for debian arm? | 15:34 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=562413&postcount=104 | 15:47 |
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| Arif_ | someone promote another app to extras | 15:48 |
| Arif_ | we'll have 200 :D | 15:48 |
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| haltdef | 2 weeks 2 days until payday | 15:49 |
| * haltdef gets impatient | 15:49 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:49 |
| Arif_ | you're planning on buying something? :P | 15:50 |
| haltdef | n900 :P | 15:50 |
| Arif_ | that's not exciting! | 15:50 |
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| Arif_ | just send the money to me | 15:50 |
| Arif_ | :) | 15:50 |
| haltdef | was gonna get an i7 but after seeing the n900 in action that went out of the window | 15:50 |
| Arif_ | buy it from newegg | 15:51 |
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| Arif_ | they have great i7s | 15:51 |
| Arif_ | :D | 15:51 |
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| haltdef | heh | 15:51 |
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| * RST38h got a letter from the son of brunei's prime minister | 15:52 | |
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| RST38h | How touching! | 15:52 |
| haltdef | so I'm allowed earphones in at work when the store's closed, makes it easier | 15:52 |
| Arif_ | he's offering you half his gold? | 15:52 |
| haltdef | turns out shelf stacking is mind numbingly boring | 15:52 |
| dneary | I'm wondering whether the people who have been nominated for election but haven't said anything yet | 15:52 |
| Arif_ | anyone know if its possible to hide icons from the menu? | 15:53 |
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| freemor | Hi, I just got my N800 a few days ago and was wondering if there is a way to uninstall flash?I currently have it disabled but would like to remove it if I can | 15:54 |
| star314 | Hi! | 15:54 |
| star314 | Wow, what a big userlist in this channel :) | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: offer to invite him for a visit, but he should pay for accomodation ;-D | 15:54 |
| Arif_ | why did you get an N800 | 15:55 |
| freemor | Good price point, linux, hackadle, etc | 15:56 |
| Arif_ | hum... | 15:56 |
| freemor | I'll probably try Mer once I gget more comfortable wwith it | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | freemor: how much? | 15:56 |
| freemor | 115 | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, USD? | 15:57 |
| freemor | Yep | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, nice toy for that pricetag | 15:57 |
| freemor | Yep | 15:58 |
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| freemor | My old palm zire 72 was dying | 15:58 |
| star314 | I have to switch my mobile phone at work and I have two different options. The first is a N900 and the other one is a Milestone (Android). Both devices feature advantanges as well as disadvantages. | 15:58 |
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| Arif_ | Android :| | 15:59 |
| star314 | I guess I will go with the N900. | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | milestone is *crap* | 15:59 |
| burchr | star314: you know what answer you're going to get here, right? | 15:59 |
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| burchr | *grin* | 15:59 |
| star314 | right | 15:59 |
| star314 | :) | 15:59 |
| freemor | Lol | 15:59 |
| Arif_ | you should get an iPhone! | 15:59 |
| burchr | ~lart Arif_ | 15:59 |
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| star314 | That was just my starting sentence :) | 15:59 |
| star314 | Arif_: nop | 15:59 |
| star314 | e | 15:59 |
| Arif_ | hehe | 15:59 |
| Arif_ | everyone on the forum seems to say that | 16:00 |
| Arif_ | "OMG GET EYEPHONE" | 16:00 |
| Arif_ | at the smallest complaint about the N900... | 16:00 |
| Arif_ | so I'll just say it in advance :P | 16:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Arif_: you troll! | 16:01 |
| Arif_ | xD | 16:01 |
| Arif_ | but yeah.... | 16:01 |
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| Arif_ | android has more (read: any) paid apps | 16:01 |
| Arif_ | and the N900 is leethax | 16:02 |
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| TomaszD | 199 apps | 16:03 |
| TomaszD | nearly there ;) | 16:03 |
| star314 | Arif_: I like to own a phone which does what I want and not was apple want. :P | 16:03 |
| Arif_ | jailbreak it :P | 16:03 |
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| Arif_ | and apple doesn't want you to own a miledroid | 16:04 |
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| star314 | Arif_: yeah, that's the (what I think) only advantage of android. The number of apps. | 16:06 |
| star314 | But everything I need is supported by the N900 too, e.g., openvpn, exchange sync, and ssh. | 16:07 |
| Arif_ | I'd go for the N900 personally | 16:07 |
| Arif_ | you can actually watch movies on it! | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | so how's a large number of crap apps you have to pay for any advantage then? | 16:07 |
| Arif_ | you get games | 16:08 |
| Arif_ | ! | 16:08 |
| star314 | I don't need games. | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arif_: you're begging for my ignore list | 16:08 |
| Arif_ | go ahead | 16:09 |
| star314 | A large number of apps may result in a higher propability to find a certain tool. | 16:09 |
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| star314 | I'm just one thing away from buying a N900. Are there any infos about how Nokia will handle upgrades? | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | what upgrades? | 16:10 |
| star314 | e.g., from 5 to 6. | 16:10 |
| star314 | maeno version | 16:10 |
| star314 | maemo | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | there'll be no maemo6 it seems | 16:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see #meego | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | also see there: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 | 16:12 |
| star314 | ah, I see | 16:12 |
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| TomaszD | DocScrutinizer, why the FUD? MeeGo is an open-source base for Maemo6 which is going to include proprietary Nokia applications, what is so hard to get here? | 16:13 |
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| * tybollt spose a fair few maemo devs at nookla deserves a pink pony today... stiff upper lip lads... | 16:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer | The_Tall1: FUD?? | 16:14 |
| TomaszD | <DocScrutinizer> there'll be no maemo6 it seems | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | TomaszD: ^^ | 16:14 |
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| TomaszD | you're just guessing without reading right? | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 16:15 |
| Myrtti | aw, I want a pink pony too | 16:15 |
| TomaszD | Maemo 6 is an instance of MeeGo | 16:15 |
| tybollt | that is confusing at best | 16:15 |
| TomaszD | no, no it's not | 16:15 |
| TomaszD | MeeGo is a barebones base system, no proprietary applications | 16:15 |
| TomaszD | Maemo 6 is going to build upon that base with proprietary applications | 16:16 |
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| TomaszD | brb | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | citation needed | 16:16 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer++ | 16:16 |
| TomaszD | you give me a citation where you found that there will be no maemo 6 first please | 16:16 |
| TomaszD | brb | 16:16 |
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| Stskeeps | TomaszD: actually, no :P | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | maemo 6 is a instance of meego, not based on meego i thi :P | 16:17 |
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| Stskeeps | (don't ask me how they made that up) | 16:17 |
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| rmrfchik | star314: i also was terrified with FUD and had trolled here. Now I have n900 and very happy with it | 16:18 |
| rmrfchik | even with maemo5 it's coooool ;) | 16:18 |
| tybollt | Stskeeps: if you people paid to know this can't make up yer friggin minds, how the h... are us users supposed to wrap our heads around this? :) | 16:18 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, that's fucked up, are they going to keep the debian base for it? | 16:18 |
| burchr | tybollt: marketing, not technical | 16:19 |
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| Stskeeps | tybollt: 'you people'? :P | 16:19 |
| tybollt | burchr: hrrrrrmarketing heebie jeebies :) | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | (i'm not in any position to make any decisions, thank god) | 16:19 |
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| burchr | Stskeeps: but we'll blame you for it anywy | 16:20 |
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| burchr | simply because you're here | 16:20 |
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| TomaszD | get Stskeeps on the blame train, all aboard | 16:20 |
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| Stskeeps | TomaszD: i consider that particular statement about maemo6 being meego instance one of the worst screwups i've heard in a while | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:20 |
| TomaszD | lol | 16:20 |
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| TomaszD | interesting, it would then seem as if Maemo 6 is the "dead" end | 16:21 |
| star314 | rmrfchik: And the stability of the N900 is fine? I have had a couple of nokia phones before and some of them need a reset&reboot quite often. :( | 16:21 |
| VDVsx | last time I checked maemo6 was based on debian, does that changed ? | 16:21 |
| burchr | VDVsx: no | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: from app point of view, it's just packaging | 16:21 |
| burchr | (at least, not as far as I've heard) | 16:21 |
| rmrfchik | star314: no reboot since then | 16:22 |
| hrw | TomaszD: it was already decided that maemo6 will be meego based and no sign of Debian will be there | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | err.. | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:22 |
| burchr | star314: I haven't turned my phone off since I upgraded it last | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: [citation needed] | 16:22 |
| burchr | (= a long while now) | 16:22 |
| VDVsx | lol | 16:22 |
| star314 | burchr: hehe | 16:22 |
| rmrfchik | ahh. yesterday status bar went mad and eat all CPU (checked with /usr/bin/top), and had to rebbot | 16:22 |
| TomaszD | hmm, I will take Stskeeps' And VDVsx's words over yours hrw | 16:22 |
| star314 | The upgrade was five minutes ago ;) | 16:22 |
| hrw | TomaszD: and, as >10y Debian user, I am happy with get rid of 'Debian base' in next maemo. | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | oh, we're all happy to get rid of that | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | it's just not going to happen in harmattan | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:23 |
| hrw | TomaszD: I am fine with it | 16:23 |
| TomaszD | :) | 16:23 |
| * VDVsx hugs debian :) | 16:23 | |
| TomaszD | this means that maemo 5 apps are a bit more future proof than I thought | 16:23 |
| VDVsx | in the end is only the packaging that changes, so not a bit deal | 16:24 |
| VDVsx | *big | 16:24 |
| TomaszD | yeah, but still, a bit of a hassle | 16:24 |
| VDVsx | perhaps rpm is easier than deb (really dunno, never package a rpm :P) | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ther's been a word of quim iirc saying all maamo apps will run on meego | 16:25 |
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| Stskeeps | really? :P | 16:25 |
| TomaszD | still waiting for the quote DocScrutinizer | 16:25 |
| VDVsx | I heard at #Qt-xx that Qt creator will do the package for you (only Qt apps) | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | TomaszD: fine, that's the state I like you to keep | 16:26 |
| TomaszD | if you can't find any, then it really was FUD, so no need to get your panties in a twist if someone calls you out on it | 16:26 |
| TomaszD | :) | 16:26 |
| * hrw is waiting for first available ARM image of meego before discusssing more | 16:26 | |
| tybollt | sigh | 16:27 |
| VDVsx | it's linux, almost everything is possible (apart from the closed sh**) :D | 16:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | TomaszD: you're next on my ignore list, answering a "citation needed" with the same reply and insisting yours is prior to mine | 16:27 |
| tybollt | we are all too busy flinging poo (how very typical linux style) at each other to work out what the hell is going to happen :-| | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | yay poo | 16:28 |
| tybollt | recipe for success? | 16:28 |
| TomaszD | DocScrutinizer, what I did is called you out when you said that there will be no maemo 6, which is blatantly not true, go ahead and ignore me | 16:28 |
| rmrfchik | can I read SMS from cli? | 16:28 |
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| rmrfchik | and contact info | 16:28 |
| Khertan | Hello everyone !:: | 16:29 |
| rmrfchik | it's Khertan! QUICK GET IN THE CAR! | 16:29 |
| tybollt | !111 | 16:29 |
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| Khertan | gnié ? | 16:30 |
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| VDVsx | who wants java in the n900 ? :D | 16:31 |
| VDVsx | http://www.lightinthebox.com/N900-Style-Quad-Band-Dual-Card-Dual-Camera-JAVA-Qwerty-Keypad-Cell-Phone-Black--2GB-TF-Card--SZ00510226-_p86837.html?currency=GBP&gclid=CLCGq6uirqACFZYU4wodMUcFqQ | 16:31 |
| VDVsx | ehhe | 16:32 |
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| VDVsx | also portrait support :D | 16:32 |
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| rmrfchik | hahaha | 16:33 |
| Arif_ | oh oh | 16:34 |
| Khertan | lol | 16:34 |
| Arif_ | j2me games \o/ | 16:34 |
| Khertan | really look like a good copy | 16:34 |
| Khertan | until you see screenshots :) | 16:34 |
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| Khertan | and MMS ! | 16:34 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:34 |
| tybollt | Wasn't there someone in here who was actually considering running JBOSS on his N900 though? :D | 16:34 |
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| * VDVsx gonna use this link at talk over and over again every time someone asks for java or full portrait | 16:34 | |
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| * Khertan say to VDVsx that he can also use it for meme | 16:35 | |
| * Khertan say to VDVsx that he can also use it for mms | 16:35 | |
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| Arif_ | oo | 16:35 |
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| Arif_ | its only 77GBP | 16:35 |
| Khertan | Internal Memory 0.25M | 16:36 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:36 |
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| qgilN900 | hi there, does anybody know how many users have voting rights in the council election? | 16:36 |
| TomaszD | it doesn't have a touchscreen, yet there are buttons there you would tap | 16:36 |
| tybollt | ? isn't it a Symbian 5 device? | 16:37 |
| lcuk | qgilN900, not sure, doesnt dneary normally collate a list from information from x-fade | 16:37 |
| VDVsx | question on fake n900 page: does this have resistive or capacitive touch functionality? | 16:37 |
| dneary | lcuk, Just catching up now :) | 16:37 |
| qgilN900 | yes, I'm pinging him through jabber... | 16:37 |
| dneary | Eero sent me the list yesterday | 16:38 |
| VDVsx | A: Sorry, but this device does not have a touchscreen function. | 16:38 |
| VDVsx | lol | 16:38 |
| VDVsx | wtf | 16:38 |
| Arif_ | Change the wallpaper and song by shaking the phone | 16:38 |
| qgilN900 | hi dneary ! | 16:38 |
| Arif_ | Dual Camera - Front and rear lenses for a more versatile shot. | 16:38 |
| Arif_ | musthave! | 16:38 |
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| dneary | hi qgilN900 | 16:38 |
| qgilN900 | fake n900 page? | 16:38 |
| Khertan | qgilN900: http://www.lightinthebox.com/N900-Style-Quad-Band-Dual-Card-Dual-Camera-JAVA-Qwerty-Keypad-Cell-Phone-Black--2GB-TF-Card--SZ00510226-_p86837.html?currency=GBP&gclid=CLCGq6uirqACFZYU4wodMUcFqQ | 16:38 |
| Khertan | hi qgilN900 | 16:38 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:38 |
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| VDVsx | qgilN900, has java /mms and full portrait ;) | 16:39 |
| Arif_ | oo | 16:39 |
| Arif_ | I think it has a analog TV tuner | 16:39 |
| VDVsx | that's the Nokla one | 16:39 |
| tybollt | qgilN900: you might like to know - we're all up in arms in here calling each other names and whatnot due to the meego vs maemo6/harmattan thing :) | 16:39 |
| range | E-book Format: TXT | 16:39 |
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| rmrfchik | I wonder is canola2 good on n900 as it on n810? | 16:40 |
| dneary | qgilN900, Approx. 3750 | 16:40 |
| dneary | A few more or less depending on join dates | 16:40 |
| Arif_ | haha | 16:40 |
| Arif_ | the camera is 640x480 | 16:40 |
| VDVsx | dneary, only ? | 16:41 |
| VDVsx | out of +22.000 | 16:41 |
| dneary | VDVsx, Out of 33,000 | 16:41 |
| qgilN900 | dneary thanks! | 16:41 |
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| VDVsx | wow | 16:41 |
| qgilN900 | that number makes sense vdvsx | 16:42 |
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| VDVsx | is 3 months the requirement ? | 16:42 |
| dneary | VDVsx, Yes, plus 10 karma | 16:43 |
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| qgilN900 | tybolt anything specific or new about MeeGo / Harmattan to be up in arms? | 16:43 |
| rmrfchik | no one use canola2? o_O | 16:43 |
| dneary | There are quite a few zero karma, which is odd | 16:43 |
| dneary | All recently joined | 16:43 |
| tybollt | mmmmh canola... *drools* | 16:44 |
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| dneary | I wonder if karma is recalculated every day... | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | dneary: every couple of days | 16:44 |
| TomaszD | rmrfchik, canola2 works much faster on the n900 than on the n810 | 16:44 |
| TomaszD | other than that, no difference | 16:44 |
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| VDVsx | dneary, probably there's some bug because they should have at least 3 points from garage | 16:44 |
| tybollt | qgilN900: Not really anything substantially new no. I guess that's the thing - everyone has an opinion noone can back it up. :-) | 16:44 |
| dneary | ~200 0 karma | 16:45 |
| dgdfgsdf | is there a compcache or ramzswap for n900 ? | 16:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | compcache/ramz would be nice. | 16:46 |
| SpeedEvil | As would someone teaching the swap algo how to deal with flash | 16:46 |
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| dneary | 23778 people have 3 karma | 16:47 |
| dneary | VDVsx, They only get their Garage points when karma is recalculated (the all created 2010-03-08, 2010-03-07 or 2010-03-06) | 16:47 |
| dgdfgsdf | i really miss ramzez from my n800 | 16:48 |
| VDVsx | dneary, I know, so is correct | 16:48 |
| dgdfgsdf | after installing it, it was like a new lease on life | 16:48 |
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| dgdfgsdf | now my n900 is running very sluggish whenever it is using any swap | 16:49 |
| petur | Does somebody know how the HAM schedules its updates? It downloads 5+ MB everytime so I want to reduce its frequency or even switch to manual updates. | 16:50 |
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| GAN900 | TomaszD, DocScrutinizer is right, FYI. | 16:50 |
| GAN900 | TomaszD, there is no Maemo 6 since they're now calling Harmattan MeeGo. Despite the platform not actually changing at all. | 16:51 |
| dgdfgsdf | LoCusF: anything in the works for Ramzez on the n900? | 16:51 |
| hrw | rmrfchik: canola on n900 is worse then on n810 | 16:51 |
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| hrw | rmrfchik: canola2 does not index MyDocs on n900 and UI needs few changes to follow maemo5 styleguide | 16:53 |
| GAN900 | That the MeeGo/Harmattan thing is confusing enough to stumble veterans like hrw is proof enough that it's a stupid idea. ;) | 16:53 |
| TomaszD | GAN900, so the name is changed, but nothing else, it would have been called Maemo 6 if it wasn't for the appearance of MeeGo, right? | 16:54 |
| GAN900 | TomaszD, seems that way. | 16:54 |
| TomaszD | it indeed is confusing. | 16:54 |
| tybollt | 15:15 < tybollt> that is confusing at best | 16:55 |
| tybollt | 15:15 < TomaszD> no, no it's not | 16:55 |
| tybollt | 15:54 < TomaszD> it indeed is confusing. | 16:55 |
| tybollt | ... | 16:55 |
| TomaszD | well, someone proved me wrong here | 16:55 |
| TomaszD | so I change my opinion | 16:56 |
| TomaszD | :) | 16:56 |
| qgilN900 | has anybody counted how many end user visible apps are there in extras-devel? | 16:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fine, so who's spreading FUD? | 16:56 |
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| TomaszD | there was no fear, uncertainty or doubt in my statements, no siree | 16:57 |
| TomaszD | it all boils down to the unfortunate "Maemo 6 is an instance of MeeGo" statement | 16:58 |
| LoCusF | dgdfgsdf: nothing at the moment :) | 16:58 |
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| hrw | ~curse emmc for being insanelly slow | 16:59 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, emmc for being insanelly slow ! | 16:59 |
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| TomaszD | by the way, I've informed the author of D-THEME SimpleMaemo and SmoothMaemo that he can't use Maemo in the name, his reponse was "so sue me" | 16:59 |
| TomaszD | I'm not sure how to handle that | 16:59 |
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| dgdfgsdf | LoCusF: thanks | 17:01 |
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| dgdfgsdf | LoCusF: is there any specific blockers which are making it harder to make one, or port the previous one for the n900? | 17:02 |
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| hrw | qgilN900: there are 4817 packages in extras-devel | 17:02 |
| hrw | qgilN900: in free part | 17:03 |
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| qgilN900 | hrw yes thanks, but I'm talking about apps visible in HAM. I'm counting extras-testing at the moment, if someone wants to count -devel... | 17:03 |
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| hrw | qgilN900: counting now | 17:04 |
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| hrw | qgilN900: 2907 packages in extras-devel has "Section: user/" | 17:04 |
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| dneary | qgilN900, Generating some metrics for a presentation? | 17:05 |
| VDVsx | TomaszD, I think that is just a recommendation, don't see anything about that in the QA criteria, but remember that discussion | 17:05 |
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| hrw | qgilN900: 254 in extras | 17:05 |
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| hrw | qgilN900: 988 in extras-testing | 17:06 |
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| qgilN900 | thanks! that was faster than my stupid manual counting :) | 17:06 |
| qgilN900 | yes, it's for a presentation | 17:06 |
| hrw | qgilN900: Nokia-N900-42-11:/var/lib/apt/lists# grep "^Section: user" repository.maemo.org_extras_dists_fremantle_free_binary-armel_Packages |wc -l | 17:06 |
| qgilN900 | I will publish the numbers | 17:06 |
| VDVsx | hrw, 254 in extras that includes libs right ? | 17:07 |
| hrw | VDVsx: any user/ section one | 17:07 |
| VDVsx | humm, maemo.org only shows 199 :D | 17:07 |
| qgilN900 | ah, i really need "apps", not dependencies | 17:07 |
| hrw | VDVsx: if developer forgot to set sections right then it can be even crap | 17:07 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders how HAM would manage ~3k apps in "all" | 17:08 | |
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| nid0 | 199 "apps" in extras then | 17:08 |
| hrw | qgilN900: Section: user/ANYTIHG is what ham shows | 17:08 |
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| hrw | hmm.. osso-wlan in sdk is newer then on device one | 17:08 |
| * DocScrutinizer ...and how long it takes to scroll down the list :-P | 17:09 | |
| qgilN900 | but how do I know the mismatch 254/199 in extras is not happening at a bigger scale in testing devel? | 17:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on manual counting in HAM, keep in mind installed apps won't show up in the download list | 17:10 |
| * petur is still wondering what mechanism HAM uses to schedule searching updates and if it can be tweaked | 17:10 | |
| Stskeeps | isn't there a update frequency thing in gconf? | 17:10 |
| dgdfgsdf | what would be necessary to compile a version of compcache/ramzswap for the n900 kernel? | 17:11 |
| qgilN900 | about the 1000 apps in testing, why the amount visible at the qa pages (about 150) is so big? developers not pushing them as candidates for extras? | 17:11 |
| lardman | qgilN900: certainly that's the case for mbarcode | 17:12 |
| qgilN900 | ok | 17:12 |
| rmrfchik | heh, canola2 is crashed when choosing theme | 17:12 |
| lardman | though that's as it's only a test code, the Qt one is the release version, etc. | 17:12 |
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| hrw | qgilN900: devel -> testing promotion is easy from dev point of view. | 17:13 |
| VDVsx | lardman, you can demote your app, if you want | 17:13 |
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| VDVsx | just vote down | 17:13 |
| lardman | VDVsx: Qt one isn't released yet | 17:13 |
| hrw | qgilN900: testing -> extras require getting 10 users which will test and vote 'up' for it | 17:13 |
| lardman | VDVsx: but soon... | 17:13 |
| VDVsx | lardman, I meant the version linger in -testing | 17:14 |
| qgilN900 | yeah, but even if you don't have the votes you are visible in the qa queue | 17:14 |
| lardman | VDVsx: that's the only available version atm | 17:14 |
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| lardman | and in -testing so people can use it, etc | 17:14 |
| GAN900 | TomaszD, Bat'leths at dawn? | 17:15 |
| VDVsx | lardman, well, testing is for apps that are ready to promote to extras, from my POV | 17:15 |
| hrw | so in the end many apps stay in testing forever | 17:15 |
| lardman | VDVsx: well from my POV it's for stable apps that can be used rather than pointing people at -devel :p | 17:15 |
| TomaszD | GAN900, huh? | 17:15 |
| lcuk | +1 lardman | 17:15 |
| VDVsx | hrw, only if the developer don't want to promote it | 17:15 |
| lcuk | its for your basecamps | 17:16 |
| hrw | my mdbus2 package for example will rather never hit extras. | 17:16 |
| lcuk | tho not necessarily user ready | 17:16 |
| hrw | VDVsx: since my last upload rules for cli apps got changed | 17:16 |
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| hrw | VDVsx: and I do not see a need of optification for 25KB binary | 17:16 |
| qgilN900 | http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/?org_openpsa_qbpager_packages_in_repo_page=3 is what I mean. no more than 150 of apparent 1000 to be seen here | 17:16 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: ta | 17:17 |
| hrw | ~curse omweather | 17:17 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, omweather ! | 17:17 |
| qgilN900 | maybe package versions of same package are counted as many? | 17:17 |
| nid0 | the rest are apps the developers havent put into the qa queue so will never hit extras until they do | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: too important to get lost in the maelstroem | 17:17 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, lardman , well, whats the point of put a app in test if you don't want to promote it, is only to waste testers time :D | 17:17 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, sure, you might not think its ready for all end users | 17:17 |
| VDVsx | hrw, requirement is >500kb | 17:17 |
| lcuk | but my nightlies might crash and burn | 17:18 |
| lardman | VDVsx: well, it's that or point people at -devel and risk them wiping out their devices | 17:18 |
| lcuk | whilst my testing images can remain working | 17:18 |
| lcuk | and usable | 17:18 |
| VDVsx | lardman, same warning for testing | 17:18 |
| lcuk | slightly different | 17:18 |
| lardman | VDVsx: with that said, I think I now understand that "Quality apps" actually means "apps that run", so I'll eventually push stuff to extras | 17:18 |
| qgilN900 | "** Bugs filed weekly, *** open from a total of *** filed. | 17:18 |
| lcuk | speaking of which | 17:18 |
| lardman | VDVsx: didn't used to have that warning though | 17:19 |
| burchr | apps are supposed to run? :P | 17:19 |
| lcuk | ive got a new build of onedotzero and libliqbase to send through | 17:19 |
| qgilN900 | I wonder if we can abstract those weekly numbers as an approximation | 17:19 |
| VDVsx | lardman, http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing :D | 17:19 |
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| lcuk | lardman, http://www.gstreamer.net/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-bad-plugins/html/gst-plugins-bad-plugins-input-selector.html | 17:20 |
| lcuk | i asked for you and this nugget emerged :) | 17:20 |
| lardman | VDVsx: was the warning always there....? | 17:20 |
| lcuk | it might do what you need | 17:20 |
| andre__ | qgilN900: what do you need that for? context? :) | 17:20 |
| lardman | lcuk: thanks, will take a look see | 17:20 |
| VDVsx | lardman, pretty UIs is not a QA rule, so the meaning of quality varies a lot :D | 17:20 |
| rmrfchik | hrw: how to get to desktop from canola without quitting it? | 17:20 |
| VDVsx | lardman, a long ago | 17:21 |
| hrw | rmrfchik: ctrl-backspace | 17:21 |
| qgilN900 | "the Maemo community in numbers" in one slide for people without a clue about maemo.org | 17:21 |
| andre__ | ah. | 17:21 |
| qgilN900 | so all bugs count, not only official apps and platform | 17:21 |
| lardman | VDVsx: anyway, I think the issue is the wording, as I said in my ml post | 17:21 |
| petur | Stskeeps: thanks for pointing me in the right direction, found the setting in /var/lib/gconf/apps/hildon/update-notifier/%gconf.xml | 17:21 |
| lardman | VDVsx: "Quality apps", etc | 17:21 |
| rmrfchik | hrw: is there way not use use keyboard? | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | petur: please document it somewhere if it's not already | 17:22 |
| andre__ | qgilN900: if you need some bugzilla data, feel free to drop me an email | 17:22 |
| hrw | rmrfchik: do not checked | 17:22 |
| qgilN900 | andre, I just need numbers in the asteriscs of the sentence above | 17:22 |
| VDVsx | lardman, if extras was only for "quality apps", we'll end up only with a few there :D | 17:23 |
| andre__ | qgilN900, I can definitely create an average number for the first, the other two confuse me (e.g. unclear which time period "open" refers to here) | 17:23 |
| qgilN900 | currently open | 17:24 |
| VDVsx | I agree with the view that Extras is a place for everybody as long the QA requirements are full fit :) | 17:24 |
| lardman | lcuk: looks good, please pass on my thanks | 17:24 |
| andre__ | qgilN900: then "of *** filed" makes no sense as it increases every week, no average possible :) | 17:25 |
| lardman | VDVsx: which is great, but the wording should be changed ;) | 17:25 |
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| qgilN900 | same with the rest of values in the slide: it's a picture today | 17:25 |
| andre__ | hmm, ok | 17:25 |
| VDVsx | lardman, QA ? well QA is also a dubious term, you can define your one criteria even is very weird and call it QA :D | 17:27 |
| lcuk | rmrfchik, if the app doesnt have an internal mechanism to go back to dashboard, you are out of luck | 17:27 |
| qgilN900 | sorry for massive copypaste: | 17:27 |
| VDVsx | s/is/if | 17:27 |
| lcuk | its entirely possible for the top left corner to not react in fullscreen situations | 17:27 |
| qgilN900 | ah, no sorry since xchat is not taking it: good :) | 17:27 |
| lardman | VDVsx: QA means quality assurance afaiu | 17:27 |
| qgilN900 | 1 Community Council of 5 members elected every 6 months by a universe of 3750 contributors with voting rights. | 17:28 |
| qgilN900 | 400 participants in the Maemo Summit 2009 (double than in 2008) | 17:28 |
| * dgdfgsdf misses the hardware fullscreen key from n8x0 devices | 17:28 | |
| lardman | VDVsx: while a "quality app" makes me visualise the Rolls Royce of applications | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, xchat not taking multiline paste is a PITA | 17:28 |
| qgilN900 | 200 stable Maemo 5 community apps in Extras generating 4 million downloads. | 17:28 |
| rmrfchik | lcuk: seems like canola has no this mechanism | 17:28 |
| nid0 | its over 4.5 now :> | 17:28 |
| qgilN900 | 1000 apps under evaluation in extras-testing, 150 of them candidates for Extras. | 17:28 |
| lcuk | rmrfchik, yeah | 17:28 |
| qgilN900 | 3000 packages apps in extras-devel, from a tota of 4800 packages. | 17:29 |
| qgilN900 | ** Bugs filed weekly, *** open from a total of *** filed. | 17:29 |
| qgilN900 | 1000 wiki pages, including the official Maemo 5 Developer Guide. | 17:29 |
| qgilN900 | 11.000 projects hosted in garage.maemo.org. | 17:30 |
| qgilN900 | Half million posts in 40.000 forum threads from 30.000 contributors at talk.maemo.org | 17:30 |
| qgilN900 | 400.000 unique visitors per month and growing. | 17:30 |
| qgilN900 | this is it | 17:30 |
| VDVsx | lardman, yes, but your definition of quality can be different from mine, that's my point :) | 17:31 |
| VDVsx | note that I agree with you | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | scary | 17:31 |
| lardman | VDVsx: the wording indicates something in English that I don't think was expected | 17:31 |
| derf | Well, one way to look at that is, of the 400 people at the summit, no more than half have an app in Extras. | 17:31 |
| lardman | VDVsx: that's my point | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp the tmo bits | 17:31 |
| VDVsx | qgilN900, 11.000 projects hosted in garage.maemo.org ? where did you got that ? I've 1200 in the gsoc proposal | 17:32 |
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| qgilN900 | oops, seems one zero slipped and the 1 is a 2 now | 17:33 |
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| qgilN900 | i did this yesterday offline while flying to US | 17:33 |
| VDVsx | :) | 17:33 |
| qgilN900 | this is why I'm sharing here now ;) | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's more sane :-) | 17:33 |
| lcuk | qgilN900, is tero driving you nuts with gowala, or are you playing also | 17:33 |
| qgilN900 | lcuk yeah I saw that | 17:34 |
| dgdfgsdf | qgilN900: welcome to the US of A, enjoy your visit! | 17:34 |
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| qgilN900 | the last i need in my life is one more "social" something | 17:34 |
| lcuk | heh | 17:34 |
| qgilN900 | and now... time for morning shower | 17:34 |
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| burchr | qgilN900: you shower with your n900? | 17:35 |
| burchr | that's what I call dedication | 17:35 |
| dgdfgsdf | is there waterproff sleeves for n900? | 17:35 |
| VDVsx | gowala is very good for -> http://pleaserobme.com/ | 17:35 |
| VDVsx | :D | 17:35 |
| burchr | dgdfgsdf: i'm tempted to make one, now | 17:36 |
| petur | Stskeeps: I hope http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK/Using_Application_Manager (at the bottom) was a good spot... | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | petur: sounds perfect | 17:36 |
| dgdfgsdf | petur: looks good | 17:38 |
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| petur | meh... Now I discover this page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check grrr... | 17:39 |
| dgdfgsdf | is there a good gconf editor for n900? | 17:39 |
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| javispedro | not yet, there was this gconf-editor port for diablo, but I guess nobody bothered to upload it to fremantle yet | 17:40 |
| mgedmin | dgdfgsdf, I was looking for one recently, didn't find it | 17:40 |
| mgedmin | ended up using gconftool from xterm | 17:41 |
| mgedmin | gconftool -R /|less for inspecting/searching | 17:41 |
| dgdfgsdf | I think qole's repo has one | 17:41 |
| mgedmin | gconftool -s property -t type value for setting | 17:41 |
| dgdfgsdf | it installs and runs fine, but is not optimized for n900 | 17:41 |
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| dgdfgsdf | here's the link: http://qole.org/repository/pool/fremantle/gconf-editor_2.18.0-0.maemo1_armel.deb | 17:44 |
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| Funnyface | you can easilly shover with your phone | 17:47 |
| Funnyface | just put it inside a water tight transparent plastic bag | 17:47 |
| tybollt | question is... can you SHOWER with it? | 17:47 |
| Funnyface | typo :P | 17:48 |
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| hrw | javispedro: gconf-editor is hard to use under fremantle | 17:48 |
| hrw | UI suxx with hildon theme | 17:48 |
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| LuciusMare | Hi, does the photo viewer's "sort by date" function sort by EXIF date or UNIX file dates? | 17:49 |
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| Gemmazz | http://imgnow.info/DSC-1268236432.jpg does my ass look big? | 17:53 |
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| achipa | lardman: QA is one of those terms that differ from their 'professional' meaning when used in everyday context | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | LuciusMare: touch foo.jpg ? | 17:54 |
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| hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/03/10/bug-2-0-arrived/ | 17:54 |
| LuciusMare | DocScrutinizer: yes | 17:55 |
| achipa | lardman: it's like, say, 'theory' | 17:55 |
| VDVsx | lol, that's a good definition :) | 17:55 |
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| * burchr swears | 18:00 | |
| burchr | it is really not my year for hardware | 18:00 |
| burchr | and it's all Stskeeps' fault | 18:01 |
| burchr | like normal | 18:01 |
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| lcuk | hrw, that looks like an A1 top class care package | 18:01 |
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| Stskeeps | burchr: shush, at least getting away from IRCd was the best thing happening to you | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:01 |
| lcuk | like christmas | 18:02 |
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| * Andrewfblack wonders where fiferboy has been? | 18:03 | |
| Stskeeps | Andrewfblack: he lost his job i think | 18:03 |
| VDVsx | job hunting, perhaps | 18:03 |
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| lcuk | Andrewfblack, yeah job problems | 18:03 |
| burchr | Stskeeps: true enough. | 18:03 |
| burchr | :P | 18:03 |
| lcuk | burchr, ahh i had forgotten about your ircd history :p | 18:04 |
| qgilN900 | andre__ do you know when can you send the 3 values from "** Bugs filed weekly, *** open from a total of *** filed." ? | 18:04 |
| burchr | Stskeeps: is maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb what I want? | 18:04 |
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| Stskeeps | burchr: yes | 18:04 |
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| burchr | ta | 18:04 |
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| Andrewfblack | Stskeeps: I knew he has been looking for one guess he is looking hard | 18:04 |
| andre__ | qgilN900, later today? how urgent is it? :) | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | butchr: | 18:04 |
| burchr | lcuk: I'm trying to forget about it too - doing my best to repress those dark memories :P | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | ~flashing | 18:04 |
| infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 18:04 |
| burchr | Stskeeps: ta | 18:05 |
| qgilN900 | i have a presentation in 7h | 18:05 |
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| andre__ | qgilN900, okay. let me do it now | 18:05 |
| qgilN900 | thanks! | 18:05 |
| burchr | Stskeeps: the cloud has a silver lining: I finally get to put the 1.1.1 update on that I never saw :P | 18:06 |
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| andre__ | qgilN900, "bugs" also covers enhancement requests here, right? | 18:06 |
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| qgilN900 | andre__ yes, everything | 18:07 |
| andre__ | okay | 18:07 |
| lcuk | does the clockspeed on the n900 still do the same drop when dsp is used? | 18:09 |
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| lcuk | i notice when music is played i get lower framerates in things | 18:10 |
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| dgdfgsdf | google mobile search results used to have large font size, now it is small | 18:19 |
| dgdfgsdf | was it a firmware update which caused it, or a change by google in their mobile site? | 18:19 |
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| andre__ | qgilN900: 198 Bugs filed weekly (median of last 12 weeks) | 18:20 |
| andre__ | qgilN900: 207 Bugs filed weekly (average of last 12 weeks) | 18:20 |
| andre__ | qgilN900: Currently 2436 open from a total of 9486 filed. | 18:20 |
| andre__ | qgilN900: (Covering everything: Official Maemo packages, Extras, Website, Bugs & Enhancements) | 18:20 |
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| acidjazz | dgdfgsdf: im guessing google | 18:27 |
| acidjazz | dgdfgsdf: and the diff maybe being ur not on their mobile site or on a diff version | 18:27 |
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| lir | Hi I need help with N900 | 18:29 |
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| lir | I yust got it from servis. Id didn't charge. They remplaced my motherboard. Now the FM transmitter doesn't work. | 18:30 |
| lir | *just | 18:30 |
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| MohammadAG | lir, is it disabled? | 18:30 |
| lir | yes | 18:31 |
| lir | sec | 18:31 |
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| MohammadAG | lir, fmtx-faker | 18:32 |
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| lir | Yep it states FM transmitter disabled. | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | lo qole | 18:32 |
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| MohammadAG | lir, download and install fmtx-faker | 18:33 |
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| qole | Good morning! | 18:33 |
| lir | Sorry but I don't follow. I put fmtx-faker in console? What does it do? | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | qole: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=562413&postcount=104 | 18:33 |
| MohammadAG | lir you download and install fmtx-faker using app manager | 18:33 |
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| Shapeshifter | well great. modest stopped working again | 18:34 |
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| Shapeshifter | just doesnt load anything. happened once to me already but I forgot how I fixed it. | 18:35 |
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| MohammadAG | lir, http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmtx-faker/ | 18:36 |
| qole | Stskeeps, oh that's some great news! | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | usual extras-devel warning PM'd | 18:36 |
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| acidjazz | Several news accounts, including one in the Los Angeles Times, are reporting Wednesday morning that former child star Corey Haim has died at age 38. | 18:40 |
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| Stskeeps | old? | 18:41 |
| VDVsx | acidjazz, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corey_Haim | 18:41 |
| luke-jr | moo | 18:41 |
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| sylarpowa | hi all | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | ah, another one | 18:41 |
| acidjazz | VDVsx: yea i know who haim is thats why i pasted it | 18:42 |
| sylarpowa | I have searched all over but I cannot find out how to discover neighbour cells, anyone knows how to do it? | 18:42 |
| VDVsx | acidjazz, yeah, but read the article :D | 18:42 |
| VDVsx | "Corey Ian Haim (December 23, 1971 – March 10, 2010)[1][2] was a Canadian actor, k" | 18:42 |
| acidjazz | wiki gets updated asap | 18:43 |
| acidjazz | he died like 5-6hrs ago | 18:43 |
| VDVsx | seems that they are fast | 18:43 |
| lcuk | sylarpowa, ? | 18:44 |
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| lcuk | just look left and right from your current cell | 18:44 |
| mece | LOL | 18:44 |
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| mece | LOL | 18:45 |
| sylarpowa | lcuk: I need to know the neigbhour cells.. I want to get an array of them | 18:45 |
| lcuk | make sure the prison guards dont see you tho | 18:45 |
| lcuk | what happens if you are in solitary? | 18:45 |
| acidjazz | sylarpowa: what language? | 18:45 |
| karlosos | hey guys have recieved options in flasher 3.5 i want help with | 18:45 |
| lcuk | sylarpowa, in reality, you will of course have to give context | 18:45 |
| lcuk | not just language | 18:45 |
| lcuk | but toolkit and desired thing | 18:45 |
| lcuk | many things have cells | 18:46 |
| acidjazz | like jails | 18:46 |
| sylarpowa | lcuk: I was talking about gsm cells | 18:46 |
| acidjazz | and living organisms | 18:46 |
| sylarpowa | .. | 18:46 |
| sylarpowa | http://goo.gl/stb9 | 18:46 |
| karlosos | i get flasher-3.5.exe invalid option what does that mean | 18:46 |
| lcuk | sylarpowa, well thats not normally the sort of thing we need | 18:46 |
| lcuk | how do you find out what current cell is | 18:46 |
| acidjazz | means you need to buy the n900 x86 chip upgrade | 18:46 |
| nid0 | karlosos - means you typed the command in wrong | 18:47 |
| sylarpowa | lcuk: via a dbus request or AT command | 18:47 |
| sylarpowa | but I cannot find a similar way to know the gsm neighbour cells.. | 18:47 |
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| karlosos | i followed the steps for vista on maemo talk nid0 | 18:48 |
| karlosos | and its got me further but still stuck | 18:48 |
| lcuk | sylarpowa, completely dont know how you owuld go about it, you will have to dig harder and in more places. and please when you do - dont assume everyone knows what you mean | 18:48 |
| wizkoder | hy everybody | 18:49 |
| lcuk | a global wtf to your questions is not the best way to start a conversation | 18:49 |
| karlosos | its ok nid0 sorted it full stop on the end was not needed lol | 18:49 |
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| wizkoder | how do I compile a qt application in scratchbox? | 18:49 |
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| wizkoder | for armel | 18:49 |
| sylarpowa | lcuk: http://goo.gl/stb9 | 18:49 |
| lcuk | sylarpowa, pointing to the same link still doesnt help | 18:50 |
| FlavioFerreiraBr | into scratchbox | 18:50 |
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| sylarpowa | lcuk: if you just try to read it maybe you could understand what I am talking about | 18:50 |
| FIQ | microb really has problems | 18:50 |
| FIQ | what's wrong with it? | 18:51 |
| mece | ? | 18:51 |
| andre__ | FIQ: please be even less specific ;-) | 18:51 |
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| FIQ | sometimes, it crashes, sometimes the content isn't showing up (just squares), sometimes it stops load any page at all, etc | 18:51 |
| lcuk | sylarpowa, if i try to read it my brain melts, the article is from 2007, its had no relationship to anything ive done in life | 18:51 |
| lcuk | gsm chipset is not important as long as i have signal | 18:52 |
| FIQ | it's the only application with these probs | 18:52 |
| andre__ | FIQ: squares for what? chars? | 18:52 |
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| FlavioFerreiraBr | sb-conf se FREMANTLE_ARMEL | 18:52 |
| FlavioFerreiraBr | and compiles | 18:52 |
| andre__ | FIQ: if it crashes, please install crash reporter | 18:52 |
| FIQ | ok | 18:52 |
| andre__ | see http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/crash-reporter | 18:52 |
| sylarpowa | lcuk: so where is the signal to obtain gsm neighbour cells? | 18:52 |
| lcuk | i dont know | 18:52 |
| FIQ | with squares i mean gray square-like bg on the whole page | 18:52 |
| lcuk | ask the gsm spec people | 18:53 |
| lcuk | gsm is black box | 18:53 |
| FIQ | (the same one that's appearing temp if you rapidscrolls) | 18:53 |
| lcuk | "ooooh i have 3.5 g here" | 18:53 |
| lcuk | "oooh damn 2g" | 18:53 |
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| lcuk | is the extent of my knowledge | 18:53 |
| sylarpowa | lcuk: so I have to ask.... who? | 18:53 |
| lcuk | start with the blog author | 18:53 |
| sylarpowa | lcuk: I mean for the n900 modem.... | 18:54 |
| lcuk | or use your work contacts if thats whats needed | 18:54 |
| FlavioFerreiraBr | exist a list of GSOC projects or ideas ? | 18:54 |
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| VDVsx | FlavioFerreiraBr, http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2010 (under construction) | 18:55 |
| sylarpowa | lcuk: thanks, you are replying me in a very useful way | 18:55 |
| * lcuk feels brain seeping away, sylarpowa; i dont know - i have not seen any open discussion on the inner workings of the gsm modem at all in this chan | 18:55 | |
| sylarpowa | lcuk: thanks | 18:55 |
| Windrose | Has anyone come across a setting in the Maemo 5 calendar task-list to hide completed items? | 18:55 |
| lcuk | i have more knowledge of nose maggots than i go of gsm | 18:55 |
| sylarpowa | lcuk: ok np | 18:55 |
| * lcuk will share the nose maggot extraction video if anyone is interested btw | 18:56 | |
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| VDVsx | sylarpowa, I think ophono runs in maemo5 that's open source at least, dunno if will help | 18:57 |
| * mgedmin makes a note not to click on any of lcuk's links in the next week or so | 18:57 | |
| lcuk | lol mgedmin | 18:58 |
| lcuk | you are right not to | 18:58 |
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| lcuk | i found it by accident | 18:58 |
| sylarpowa | VDVsx: I have tried it but the dbus call I need is still in a draft stage (mentioned on the ML at the end of jan but nothing else later) | 18:58 |
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| VDVsx | sylarpowa, so, if I understood you currently you want information about all the cells in the range, right ? | 19:00 |
| VDVsx | like cells from other carriers as well | 19:00 |
| sylarpowa | VDVsx: yes, tecnically they are called "neighbour cells" and all of them have its cellid and signal_strength | 19:01 |
| sylarpowa | VDVsx: not from other carriers, from the carrier you are connected to | 19:01 |
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| VDVsx | sylarpowa, yeah, I know, my 3g card sw allows that | 19:01 |
| sylarpowa | the "cell" in which you are in is just one information but the modem knows also the neighbour cells informations | 19:02 |
| pupnik | /j #economics | 19:02 |
| pupnik | oop | 19:02 |
| VDVsx | sylarpowa, even if they are out of range ? | 19:02 |
| VDVsx | like "next" cells available | 19:02 |
| sylarpowa | VDVsx: If you are out of range I think you actually cannot have any cell as neighbour | 19:03 |
| sylarpowa | VDVsx: but I don't know exactly | 19:03 |
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| sylarpowa | VDVsx: I need them on the n900 but I cannot find nor a dbus call nor the relative AT command | 19:03 |
| SpeedEvil | There is 'recievable but not usable due to not meeting minimum quality requirements' | 19:04 |
| VDVsx | sylarpowa, no, I meant you are connected to cell 11 and cell 12 is the next one near to you, but you can catch 12 signal from where you are | 19:04 |
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| sylarpowa | VDVsx: the signal is catched by the cell from which you received the signal better, so if you receive the 12 cell better than the 11 one you can | 19:05 |
| VDVsx | I'm trying to understand if your cell send info about others or is the modem that catch the low radio signals | 19:06 |
| frankS2 | Anyone here from netherlands who have bought the n900? Im wodering about price | 19:06 |
| VDVsx | I'm also a GSM noob :D | 19:06 |
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| wizkoder | I have qtcreator and maemo sdk installed. read about madde? do I need that? | 19:08 |
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| pupnik | no | 19:10 |
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| wizkoder | Okay. That makes it easy :-) | 19:14 |
| wizkoder | When I do "fakeroot apt-get update" in my scratchbox in armel mode I get: "Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle/free/binary-arm/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 200.69.125.73 80] " | 19:14 |
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| Stskeeps | binary . -arm? | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | something is messed up somewhere | 19:15 |
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| wizkoder | binary-armel is existing. but I have no clue where that setting is | 19:17 |
| FlavioFerreiraBr | anybody here know xoscope ? | 19:17 |
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| wizkoder | Its not in the sources list. Or is it? | 19:18 |
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| lardman|home | VDVsx: should be the radio I think | 19:20 |
| VDVsx | lardman|home, yes, it seems :) | 19:21 |
| VDVsx | interesting stuff | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | wizkoder: think your sb target is set up wrong | 19:22 |
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| wizkoder | Stskeeps: Compiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 │ | 19:22 |
| wizkoder | │ Architecture: arm │ | 19:22 |
| wizkoder | │ Sub-architecture: arm │ | 19:22 |
| wizkoder | │ C-library: glibc │ | 19:22 |
| wizkoder | │ │ | 19:22 |
| wizkoder | │ Devkits: cputransp doctools perl debian-sarge │ | 19:22 |
| wizkoder | │ CPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-0.8.2-sb2 | 19:22 |
| wizkoder | I use kubuntu 9.10 | 19:23 |
| lardman|home | isn't that the old toolchain? | 19:23 |
| lardman|home | hmm, glibc2.5, perhaps not | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | wizkoder: did you set this up yourself or did a script? | 19:24 |
| wizkoder | I used the sdk install script. But I had to install the cputransp packages by hand | 19:24 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, cos something cos messed up somewhere :P | 19:24 |
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| wizkoder | Maybe the cputrans does not fit the rest? | 19:25 |
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| villager | well, my scratchbox's armel target does not have cputransp devkit, and it uses debian-etch, not debian-sarge | 19:27 |
| villager | it has qemu devkit instead of cputransp | 19:28 |
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| lardman|home | villager: what's your gcc version? | 19:30 |
| burchr | anyone here using a contract three sim in the n900 in the UK? | 19:31 |
| lardman|home | sounds like the old rootfs + newish toolchain | 19:31 |
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| villager | lardman: well, I'm not the guy with the problem, my scratchbox works, was just trying to be helpful in identifying his problem... anyway, my gcc version is 4.2.1, cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 | 19:32 |
| lardman|home | villager: no, I was just interested as I'm running WinXP atm for work | 19:32 |
| lardman|home | so his toolchain is the same at least | 19:32 |
| burchr | well, that's interesting | 19:33 |
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| lardman|home | burchr: in answer to your question, no I'm not, I'm with Wodafone | 19:33 |
| lardman|home | or Vodafone, depending on how inversely Germanic you feel | 19:34 |
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| burchr | three say their newer simcards won't work in non-three handsets | 19:34 |
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| lardman|home | there was a bug for 3 sim cards that was apparently fixed | 19:34 |
| burchr | I really wish they had told me this somewhere, like on their website, or in their store before I wasted half a day and a £15 contract trying to get it to work | 19:34 |
| lardman|home | not sure if that's the same issue | 19:34 |
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| lardman|home | oh right, so they've managed to break things again? Good skills 3 :p | 19:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | burchr: I don't know if this would suit - I'm using a t-mobile PAYG SIM, with a 20 quid 6 month internet booster | 19:35 |
| SpeedEvil | burchr: 1G/mo | 19:36 |
| FIQ | has 3 borked their cards again? | 19:36 |
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| lardman|home | Monthly contract is a decent deal on O2 iirc | 19:36 |
| FIQ | or is it about a new version of their SIM? | 19:36 |
| FIQ | Because here it works just fine, having a three sim card | 19:36 |
| nid0 | o2's monthly contracts arent bad imo | 19:36 |
| lardman|home | Anyone know just what about thier SIMs breaks things? | 19:36 |
| FIQ | try update your fw | 19:37 |
| FIQ | if it still doesn't work, three fails | 19:37 |
| lardman|home | Wodafone is reasonably crap, but my familiy are all on Vodafone so we get free calls, etc | 19:37 |
| FIQ | vodafone.. | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | VDVsx: afaik it's the modem gathering that info | 19:38 |
| FIQ | isn't it same as telenor' | 19:38 |
| FIQ | ?* | 19:38 |
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| lardman|home | Vodafone may own them? | 19:38 |
| lardman|home | where's telnor? | 19:38 |
| lardman|home | telenor, sorry | 19:38 |
| wizkoder | villager: I just made a new target in my scratchbox. with debian-etch, and without cputrans. not working yet. I feel lost :-( | 19:38 |
| Windrose | Norwegian company. | 19:38 |
| FIQ | yeah | 19:38 |
| Windrose | Exists in various other places as well. | 19:38 |
| FIQ | my dad have it | 19:39 |
| FIQ | seems to suck | 19:39 |
| lardman|home | vodafone went on an aquisition spree a few years back iirc | 19:39 |
| nid0 | they dont own telenor | 19:39 |
| * Windrose quite likes Telenor in Sweden, "Better coverage than most". | 19:39 | |
| FIQ | k | 19:39 |
| * FIQ does live in sweden | 19:39 | |
| FIQ | three is the best when it comes to data plans, speeds, etc. :P | 19:40 |
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| wizkoder | it now looks like: Compiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 │ | 19:42 |
| wizkoder | │ Architecture: arm │ | 19:42 |
| wizkoder | │ Sub-architecture: arm │ | 19:42 |
| wizkoder | │ C-library: glibc │ | 19:42 |
| wizkoder | │ │ | 19:42 |
| wizkoder | │ Devkits: debian-etch qemu svn │ | 19:42 |
| wizkoder | │ CPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin/qemu-arm-sb | 19:42 |
| lardman|home | hmm, echo in here? | 19:42 |
| wizkoder | but I can't even do a apt-get update | 19:42 |
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| lardman|home | wizkoder: did the rootfs install automatically? | 19:42 |
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| FIQ | DID YOU REALLY NEEDED TO PASTE THAT? | 19:42 |
| FIQ | er, ups | 19:43 |
| FIQ | -caps | 19:43 |
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| wizkoder | lardman|home: No I need to install a bootstrap in the target? | 19:43 |
| wizkoder | <FIQ | 19:44 |
| wizkoder | FIQ: Sorry. But only 7 lines | 19:44 |
| lardman|home | wizkoder: you need a fs installed in sb, yes | 19:44 |
| lardman|home | that should happen as part of the installation process | 19:44 |
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| lardman|home | or rather fs contents | 19:45 |
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| lardman|home | stupid Windows, detected a media player my arse, it's a bloody usb drive with no music on it | 19:46 |
| lardman|home | ~lart Windows | 19:46 |
| * infobot acting on orders from an unspecified client drags Windows into court suing for $200 million | 19:46 | |
| lardman|home | hmm, sounds like the client might be the EU | 19:46 |
| lcuk | lol simon | 19:46 |
| lardman|home | hey lcuk | 19:46 |
| wizkoder | lardman|home: I have a armel target installed by the script. but with this I get the apt-get errors. So I tried to configure a new one | 19:46 |
| lardman|home | oh I see | 19:47 |
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| lardman|home | are you sure your original errors aren't just temporary things? | 19:47 |
| lardman|home | was it looking for the armel arch? | 19:47 |
| lcuk | setting up scratchbox cleanly requires a phd | 19:47 |
| Coke | trying to sudo here, but pwd is failing, how do I get root permission? | 19:47 |
| lardman|home | temporary as in server glitches | 19:47 |
| lcuk | Coke, install rootsh package from extras | 19:48 |
| lardman|home | lcuk: hmm, even I didn't do so well, so scratch that one | 19:48 |
| lcuk | lol | 19:48 |
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| lardman|home | s/even// | 19:48 |
| infobot | lardman|home meant: lcuk: hmm, I didn't do so well, so scratch that one | 19:48 |
| lcuk | depends on the subject i assume | 19:48 |
| lardman|home | true | 19:48 |
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| lardman|home | PhD in scratchboxology | 19:48 |
| Coke | lcuk: how come the root password I entered earlier doesnt apply to sudo -s ? | 19:49 |
| lcuk | Coke, i dunno | 19:49 |
| lardman|home | Coke: "sudo gainroot" | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there,s no real sudo. That's messybox | 19:50 |
| lardman|home | DocScrutinizer51: not messy unless you look at symlinks ;) | 19:50 |
| Coke | does the default user have password? | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no | 19:51 |
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| wizkoder | lardman|home: Okay, I reconfigured the original armel target the way villager wrote. Now apt-get seems to work. Thanks so far guys! | 19:51 |
| lardman|home | get hacking then! :) | 19:51 |
| * lcuk has nearly cracked green flashing | 19:52 | |
| lardman|home | green flashing? | 19:52 |
| lardman|home | you decorating cakes or something? | 19:52 |
| lcuk | haha | 19:52 |
| lcuk | loading liq apps has green flashes | 19:52 |
| lcuk | or rather, had | 19:52 |
| lcuk | i got rid of most of them | 19:52 |
| lardman|home | ah right, those YUV artefacts | 19:53 |
| lardman|home | I've seen lots of green video while fiddling with the DSP video out | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fiddling like in...? | 19:55 |
| lardman|home | getting video to pass from DSP to ARM-side framebuffer | 19:55 |
| lardman|home | on post 770 devices | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wth?? | 19:55 |
| lardman|home | ? | 19:55 |
| lardman|home | code? | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah | 19:55 |
| lardman|home | :) | 19:55 |
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| lardman|home | I can't even remember what I was trying to achieve, something along the lines of compressing the YUV output from e.g. mplayer to the compressed format the N8x0 framebuffer accepted | 19:56 |
| lcuk | lardman, yeah | 19:57 |
| lcuk | never really noticed it on 8x0 | 19:57 |
| lcuk | but on 900 it was on every startup | 19:57 |
| lcuk | its not cured in most places | 19:58 |
| lcuk | now | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lardman|home: while disabling fbdev? | 19:58 |
| Coke | is it Ok to muck about with files in ~/MyDocs/.sounds directly ? | 19:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | or how did you manage to coexist with whatever is accessing those critters? | 19:58 |
| lardman|home | DocScrutinizer: no, I left the whole lot alone, but wrote directly to the shared fb from the DSP | 19:58 |
| lardman|home | created a black XWindow to occupy the screen | 19:59 |
| * lcuk is playing with pvr shaders | 19:59 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aah kinda superimpose | 19:59 |
| lardman|home | DocScrutinizer51: overwrite I suppose | 19:59 |
| lcuk | looking at doing rgb->yuv in them (the job of the iva) | 19:59 |
| lardman|home | lcuk: am waiting for my new PC to turn up so I can CUDAfy | 20:00 |
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| lcuk | does cuda stuff work on the 810 | 20:00 |
| lardman|home | doubt it | 20:01 |
| * lcuk has opengles book and has some examples working | 20:01 | |
| lardman|home | though I imagine a compiler could be written to accept the code, etc. | 20:01 |
| lcuk | i still dont see how i can make pvr quicker for general ui stuff tho | 20:01 |
| lcuk | than what i have now | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there's any decent docs for DSP publically available? | 20:01 |
| lardman|home | DocScrutinizer51: they are all on the Ti site | 20:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | heh :) | 20:02 |
| lcuk | lardman, you arent on the map yet are you? http://pininthemap.com/maemo | 20:02 |
| lardman|home | also there's a site specifically for the OMAP3 stuff | 20:02 |
| lardman|home | lcuk: what's that? | 20:02 |
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| lcuk | map of maemo n900 owners/users/developers | 20:02 |
| pH5 | hej, what is the state of n810 / powervr mbx? | 20:03 |
| pH5 | my n810 does have a display again :) | 20:03 |
| lardman|home | lcuk: not loading, will look later | 20:03 |
| lcuk | pH5, the driver is available | 20:03 |
| lcuk | theres been some first light investigation done | 20:03 |
| lardman|home | got to go, heading out for food, bbl | 20:03 |
| lcuk | its on the massive thread | 20:03 |
| lcuk | cya later lardman \o | 20:03 |
| lardman|home | pH5: ping Stskeeps/javispedro | 20:03 |
| lardman|home | cu chaps | 20:04 |
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| Stskeeps | pH5: http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mbx3d-drivers-out-for-n8x0-and-other.html and the talk.maemo.org threa | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | d | 20:04 |
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| pH5 | thanks | 20:04 |
| wizkoder | Everything is working now. I even got my arm deb package created flawlessly. I am happy! Love you guys. | 20:05 |
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| Stskeeps | pH5: it needs some love but i suspect we can use cairo openvg and qt openvg backend to do some nice things.. | 20:05 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, whats potential for desktop | 20:06 |
| lcuk | ie hildon/matchbox/clutter combo | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | no dice, uses gles2.0 too much i think | 20:06 |
| lcuk | no dice, or not tried | 20:07 |
| lcuk | there cant be that much specific | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | tried, crashed :P | 20:07 |
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| lcuk | ok so it would take someone with knowledge to dig and see | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :D | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 20:07 |
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| lcuk | do you have a build around with them in, so someone could followup | 20:07 |
| pH5 | Stskeeps: so the big issue is still the failing buffer allocation? | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | pH5: biggest issue is that it doesn't act well with the framebuffer | 20:08 |
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| Stskeeps | buffer allocation is a matter of doing it at the right time | 20:08 |
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| Stskeeps | things 'work' but for varying definitions of working :) | 20:09 |
| lcuk | i suppose first step is clutter on 810 | 20:09 |
| lcuk | once clutter works, the desktop ontop should too? | 20:09 |
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| pH5 | lcuk: first step is getting the driver to behave :) | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: does BME by any means use the bat monitor chip? | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | the what now? | 20:10 |
| lcuk | i thought it worked as long as you downloaded everything | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | pH5: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=21697&page=15 , track back from there | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: it doesn't render nicely to a framebuffer atm | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | it 'works' but not for usable things | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | as in, the processes work, but render to framebuffer is not going well :P | 20:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: there's a chip similar to gta02bat BQ27000 to monitor the bat status | 20:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | interface via I2C | 20:11 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: well, without knowing specifics, it would be weird for a chip to be there without purpose | 20:12 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: is that actually present? | 20:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I don't recall anything about that on reading the BME kernelside code - just stuff to read GAIA ADCs | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: holy fuck @ lipo fire | 20:14 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, powervr,iva both existed without purpose on the 8x0 :p | 20:14 |
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| * pH5 hates imagination technologies' coding style with a passion | 20:16 | |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: just remember, if you're going to be playing with this kind of stuff, search for 'lipo fire' on youtube | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: I killed a few Li cells | 20:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | know those critters | 20:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: that's my point | 20:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | also, why are most of these people on those videos speaking finnish | 20:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: N1130 battery fuel gauge | 20:19 |
| sylarpowa | hi, I want to propose myself as a student for the gsoc (yes, I have an idea). What I have to do? Just add my project's details here (http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2010/Project_ideas)? | 20:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: Stskeeps: looks like that's an unused chip actually | 20:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if it's even existing on MP N900 | 20:21 |
| VDVsx | sylarpowa, the application period for students didn't started yet | 20:22 |
| VDVsx | if you had you own idea there, other students can also propose it ;) | 20:22 |
| sylarpowa | VDVsx: yes, I know, but I have seen that there are a lot of projects yet on the wiki page | 20:22 |
| VDVsx | S/had/add | 20:22 |
| sylarpowa | VDVsx: so... better to wait? XD | 20:22 |
| VDVsx | sylarpowa, just possible ideas to pick | 20:23 |
| sylarpowa | ah ok VDVsx | 20:23 |
| sylarpowa | thanks ;) | 20:23 |
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| VDVsx | sylarpowa, is the same for us, you can choose to add it or not :) | 20:23 |
| sylarpowa | DocScrutinizer: lol, now you work for Nokia? :D | 20:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not *yet* :-/ | 20:24 |
| sylarpowa | VDVsx: are you going to propose a project? | 20:24 |
| * konttori is finally getting relaxed. tomorrow might be the release candidate day.... I wish. | 20:24 | |
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| sylarpowa | DocScrutinizer: what about openmoko? | 20:24 |
| VDVsx | sylarpowa, no I'm mentor/org admin | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr, OM? lemme think... | 20:24 |
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| VDVsx | konttori, so, no beta testing this time ? :D | 20:24 |
| sylarpowa | DocScrutinizer: lol | 20:25 |
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| sylarpowa | VDVsx: ah! :P | 20:25 |
| konttori | VDVsx: beta testing is planned, but we can only give the certified version to beta. | 20:25 |
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| pH5 | ok, so power_test and services_test work | 20:25 |
| konttori | so, once we have the candidate, we can start the certifications. | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ahh that Inc that did those lovely phones, before they changed to produce wikireader - nope, no more employment there | 20:25 |
| konttori | if nothing goes wrong, beta will begin once certifications are complet and full release about weekish later. | 20:25 |
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| VDVsx | ah, I always forget about certificates, useless think :P | 20:26 |
| VDVsx | *g | 20:26 |
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| pH5 | and glinfo makes mbxdaemon cause a page allocation failure | 20:26 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah :P i think we simply need to prealloc memory in kernel | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | when module is loaded | 20:26 |
| konttori | yeah, well, corporate world is a bit strict about those sorts of things. But we have basically ran all tests ourselves before we call it a candidate, so it's a formality after that only | 20:27 |
| * burchr drools | 20:27 | |
| Stskeeps | butchr, what'd you find now? | 20:27 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, he's about to blame you, I guess | 20:28 |
| burchr | I saw the phrase 'release candidate' | 20:28 |
| VDVsx | :D | 20:28 |
| burchr | that and I found myself a three engineer indirectly | 20:28 |
| burchr | so I have someone to pester about my problems | 20:28 |
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| GAN900 | konttori, really uselessly short beta period | 20:29 |
| konttori | GAN900: well, it's mostly about letting devs have their hands on it a bit sooner than the typical end users. | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | one week? nah | 20:29 |
| GAN900 | konttori, oh, silly me, then. . . . | 20:30 |
| konttori | for example all themes need to be adjusted for pr1.2 | 20:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jeez | 20:30 |
| konttori | it's nice to allow devs to do that before end users start complaining about the themes. | 20:30 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, got a part number for the battery monitor chip? | 20:30 |
| Klowner | I see in the wiki there's an example of how to make control panel applets, but does anyone have any suggestions how I could pair a control panel applet with a daemon that runs in the background, doing periodic things? Would they need to be separate? | 20:30 |
| GAN900 | Considering the BUGmaster was the one picking the group last time around. . . . | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: alas NOOOT | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | grrrrrr | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: pushing out updates to variant-template before this happens? | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | well, as in, pr1.2 | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart nokia for making such useless schematics | 20:31 |
| * infobot whips out his power stapler and staples nokia's foot to the floor for making such useless schematics | 20:31 | |
| konttori | humm.... aren't they pushed already? | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | maybe | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | se | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | c | 20:31 |
| konttori | anyway, I have updated theme maker template already | 20:31 |
| VDVsx | I guess ~95% of the theme markers aren't devs | 20:32 |
| konttori | it's just few small things, but e.g. virtual keyboard buttons were completely redesigned to a new layout | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: yes, it's updated - thanks | 20:32 |
| konttori | VDVsx: sure, but that was just an example | 20:32 |
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| VDVsx | burchr, ah, you're undercover :D | 20:32 |
| konttori | qt apps can now be compiled to /usr/lib based qt. | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I'm tempted to disassemble the phone to get it | 20:33 |
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| konttori | and can be tested on the device with the final version of qt (well, final until next update) | 20:33 |
| VDVsx | DocScrutinizer, do you have the nokia care docs that someone sent to -users ? | 20:33 |
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| N900evil | a process of elimkination | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 20:33 |
| GAN900 | VDVsx, also: most of 'em weren't in the beta period last time. | 20:33 |
| VDVsx | GAN900, that's my point :) | 20:34 |
| N900evil | look at all i2c drivers/busids | 20:34 |
| petteri | any big changes coming to the user interface? | 20:34 |
| GAN900 | So it seems like my and konttori's definitions of "beta" may differ | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900evil: goo man, gooooo | 20:34 |
| konttori | well, I never said that was beta. | 20:34 |
| konttori | it's more like early developer release | 20:34 |
| ShadowJK | I was going to say it looks like it's on the same i2c bus as gaia | 20:34 |
| konttori | (and not so early, but anyway) | 20:34 |
| GAN900 | konttori, I can only begin to imagine what new horrors have been inflicted on virtual input. | 20:35 |
| konttori | GAN900: oh? well, it's really quite nice. | 20:35 |
| GAN900 | konttori, so, what you're saying, is that there will be no private beta period like for PR1.1? | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: mompl | 20:36 |
| kuriiri | haa.. pptp-vpn works on n900! :) | 20:36 |
| kuriiri | awesome | 20:36 |
| GAN900 | konttori, my experience with Nokia and virtual input is that usability peaked at Chinook and has gone steadily downhill ever since. | 20:36 |
| ShadowJK | -EUNIDENTIFIEDACRONYM | 20:36 |
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| konttori | GAN900: it's probably true to a degree. But the new one is definitely very nice. | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: nah, I2C_2 vs I2C_SR | 20:37 |
| GAN900 | I still can't believe they got rid of gestures. | 20:37 |
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| konttori | although, the most attention has been in making the russian vkb layouts and behavior just perfect, as they have been internally most vocal at making sure things are just right this time | 20:37 |
| sylarpowa | DocScrutinizer: do you know if is there any way to know the gsm neighbour cells? | 20:37 |
| GAN900 | The fact that virtual input basically never worked in MicroB in Diablo was incredible. | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: MOMent PLease | 20:38 |
| konttori | (they prefer the vkb to the hw kb for native input) | 20:38 |
| ShadowJK | what is sr... | 20:38 |
| GAN900 | konttori, I did too . . . in Chinook. | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | sylarpowa: I followed the discussion. Sorry no idea. Ask konttori about service mode | 20:38 |
| ShadowJK | GAN900, oh I notice that now and then on n800 :) | 20:38 |
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| sylarpowa | konttori: any idea? :) | 20:39 |
| konttori | sylarpowa: you should be able to get signal strengts of all neigbour cells. | 20:39 |
| sylarpowa | DocScrutinizer: thanks | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: no ides (sr) | 20:39 |
| sylarpowa | konttori: mmm how? | 20:39 |
| konttori | I would need to ask the cellmo developers for the details. | 20:40 |
| hrw | ~curse n900 for lack of 'Chr' key | 20:40 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, n900 for lack of 'Chr' key ! | 20:40 |
| ShadowJK | I remember someone saying there's an AT command to get neighbours, but the at emulation daemon thingy såat out ERROR | 20:40 |
| konttori | It's not necessarily exposed to the main CPU side at all. | 20:40 |
| ShadowJK | spat* | 20:40 |
| hrw | konttori: so pr1.2 in 1-1.5 months from now? | 20:40 |
| sylarpowa | I tried a lot of at commands unsuccessfully .. but they aren't standard so.. | 20:40 |
| konttori | hrw: can't comment, but let's say I hope less. | 20:40 |
| sylarpowa | konttori: could you ask please? I really need it (the signal strenght and the cellid of neighbour cells) | 20:41 |
| konttori | sylarpowa: can't ask anymore today. WIll have to be tomorrow | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | konttori: fair enough :-)) | 20:42 |
| sylarpowa | konttori: np but please let me know the answer asap ;) | 20:42 |
| hrw | konttori: btw - can you drop 'Polish' hw keymap? it is same as English... just different scv ;( | 20:42 |
| hrw | diablo sucks when it comes to hw keymaps, fremantle is even worse | 20:43 |
| ShadowJK | sylarpowa, what do you plan to do with it? | 20:43 |
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| trip0 | anyone used the usb-host on the n900? | 20:43 |
| hrw | anyway time for me | 20:43 |
| trip0 | or does the n900 even have usb-host capabilities? | 20:44 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, I only vaguely remember glancing through those schematics, but was there a current sense resistor connected to the modem chip? | 20:44 |
| sylarpowa | ShadowJK: just some tests, need to archive gps + gsm infos togheter | 20:44 |
| sylarpowa | *together | 20:44 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: none spotted | 20:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: tbh I think it's prohibited to have such shunt in Modem VDD | 20:45 |
| ShadowJK | I guess liblocation would use neighbour infos | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yep | 20:45 |
| konttori | hrw|gone: I agree, the only sane HW layout is the english one. | 20:46 |
| konttori | If it were me, I would not have shipped any other layouts at all, and had vkb cater the rest. | 20:46 |
| * DocScrutinizer sobs bevause got no sane hw kbd layout | 20:46 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | friggin qwertzu - without up/down keys | 20:47 |
| ShadowJK | konttori, .fi blogosphere was furious for n97 not having äö on dedicated keys ;p | 20:47 |
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| sylarpowa | ShadowJK: it doesn't :( | 20:47 |
| ShadowJK | oh? | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: waaaaaah | 20:47 |
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| sylarpowa | ShadowJK: " I guess liblocation would use neighbour infos" <-- it doesn't | 20:48 |
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| konttori | sylarpowa: so, are you already using Net.get_available_network from https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?Tools&id=1106&type=g to get the current cell data? | 20:48 |
| pupnik | one layout | 20:48 |
| pupnik | four rows | 20:48 |
| sylarpowa | konttori: yes I haven't problems in getting informations about the current cell, only cannot find a way to find neighbour ones | 20:48 |
| konttori | ShadowJK: blah. I never use those. they are all wrong! (as said: if it were me.. ;) I can understand that people have differing opinions) | 20:49 |
| ShadowJK | sylarpowa, I'm 9km from 3g mast but it seems to know more than just putting me somewhere in a 10km wedge from tower | 20:49 |
| pupnik | can we see distance to mast? | 20:50 |
| ShadowJK | konttori, I dont think ive used them either.. except when misspelling stuff | 20:50 |
| konttori | I fear that the neighboring cells info is not available on the omap side, but ... I'll check if it is, or if we could somehow expose it if it isn't | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF?! echo "Registration Status = `PhoneGet? net net Net.get_regist......[++15lines] | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | well, did anyone look at the isi headers? :P | 20:50 |
| ShadowJK | pupnik: gsm has timing advance, dunno about 3g | 20:50 |
| sylarpowa | neighbour cells are aviable on android and also on old symbian phones so... it's really strange not to have such a feature on a great smartphone such as the n900 XD | 20:51 |
| sylarpowa | Stskeeps: isi headers? | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: yes, via Time Advance | 20:51 |
| konttori | sylarpowa: lol! I'll see what can be done! | 20:51 |
| trip0 | usb host + n900? anyone? | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | sylarpowa: there's structs and stuff for communicating with the celluar modem, in nokia-binaries.. | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | how to use it is a different thing.. | 20:52 |
| konttori | now: mass effect time (just finished 1 for the second time, about to start 2 for the second time) | 20:52 |
| sylarpowa | Stskeeps: mmm I have looked around a lot but cannot find anything usefull (maybe it's just an AT command but I wasn't able to find it) | 20:52 |
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| ShadowJK | sylarpowa, symbian also has Nokia Energy Profiler :D | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | trip0: still under investigation | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | sylarpowa: this is a binary protocol, AT is just an abstraction of top | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | on | 20:53 |
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| sylarpowa | Stskeeps: where can I find the files u are talking about? | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | cellmo headers something, play around with apt-cache search | 20:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems you'd need the full dev env to grep the sources, no? | 20:56 |
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| sylarpowa | Stskeeps: I have searched for it some hours ago but I get error 404.. | 20:57 |
| pH5 | #rmmod mbxaccess | 20:57 |
| pH5 | rmmod: mbxaccess: Resource temporarily unavailable | 20:57 |
| pH5 | :/ | 20:57 |
| pH5 | [783930.375000] DeinitMain refcount is:4294967295 | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | refcount is WHAT? | 20:57 |
| pH5 | smells like unbalanced refcounting | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | smells like underrun | 20:58 |
| inz | Very much like | 20:58 |
| ShadowJK | I should go buy a flintstones dvd.. | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | pH5: kill mbxdaemon | 20:59 |
| pH5 | Stskeeps: done that, seems it stomped the refcount through the floor | 20:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 21:00 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, waaah? | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | errrr | 21:01 |
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| ShadowJK | for a moment i thought you were quoting a chip name but that was wahoo, right | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: fi blogosphere was furious for n97 | 21:01 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 21:01 |
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| pupnik | wish we had animated gif viewing | 21:04 |
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| ShadowJK | we dont? | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) :-D X-D X-P | 21:06 |
| ShadowJK | the browser in diablo did it! | 21:06 |
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| pupnik | browser does | 21:07 |
| pupnik | not convenient though | 21:07 |
| pupnik | cat attacks breakdancer is funny | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: (timing advance) http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html | 21:08 |
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| pupnik | cool | 21:09 |
| sylarpowa | DocScrutinizer: openmoko ml, :OOOO, XD | 21:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sylarpowa: you don't expect me to copy it elsewhere, do you? | 21:09 |
| sylarpowa | I don't XD | 21:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though this post definitley belongs to me, not to my OM alter ego | 21:10 |
| sylarpowa | ahha | 21:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | konttori: (neighbour cells) Thanks to Nokia ;-) ""> All the tests were done with an old Nokia 6210."" -> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html | 21:14 |
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| * DocScrutinizer hugs his 6210 :-) | 21:15 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | konttori: if 6210 was able to do that (plus a whole lot more of really usefull things, in monitor mode), then N900 might be allowed to do the same, no? | 21:17 |
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| brady47 | Just testing pymucl on n900. | 21:23 |
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| Shapeshifter | guys, in that app I wrote someone is complaining that the first letter is always uppercase, while pressing shift it will be lower case. Isn't this standard beahviour in maemo? ^^ | 21:26 |
| Shapeshifter | there's even an option for this somewhere in the settings | 21:26 |
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| Klowner | Shapeshifter: every text input is like that | 21:28 |
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| Arif_ | Shapeshifter, tell him to turn auto capitalization off :P | 21:29 |
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| Shapeshifter | yeah that's what I was guessing ;) | 21:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: though I seem to remember there's additional properties for a text input you can set to disable auto cap, or use numeric input, or even password mode | 21:30 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: no doubt | 21:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: so if your app is depending on a lower case first letter, you'd be able to config text input accordingly | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas even Nokia doesn't do this for passwords by default iirc | 21:32 |
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| Shapeshifter | does someone know how to pass arguments to libalarm exec_command options? It seems like it's not happy (throwing InvalidEventException) when giving it a string that contains spaces. | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | which can become a major PITA when you entered your password capitalized without noticing | 21:33 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: sure. well afaik that's pretty much a standard feature of any sane toolkit, speaking of Qt, or even insane ones, like gtk ;) | 21:33 |
| Arif_ | passwords are lowercase by default... | 21:33 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: yep. many people forget it. I've seen some where lower case was set though. | 21:33 |
| Arif_ | at least on the virtual kb | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | mabe I'm wrong - maybe it changed with pr1-0-1 | 21:34 |
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| Shapeshifter | or actually, it doesn't throw that exception. | 21:36 |
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| Shapeshifter | nevermind it actually works somehow I think... ._. | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: what you're at? | 21:38 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: a frontend to alarmd | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | coooool | 21:40 |
| Shapeshifter | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46594 | 21:40 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: ^ | 21:40 |
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| Shapeshifter | works pretty well from my limited testing | 21:41 |
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| * noobmonk3y waves | 21:42 | |
| Shapeshifter | but _some_ strings for exec_command don't work, while others work. for example, I was able to do something like '/home/user/scripts/test -foo' but if I try '/bin/echo "something" >> /tmp/testfile' it doesn't work. probably it doesn't like special characters or something... | 21:42 |
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| ali1234 | how do you run exec_command? | 21:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: libboost? waaah!! | 21:44 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: that's because it's pyside | 21:44 |
| Shapeshifter | I'm waiting for shiboken as well | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 21:44 |
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| Shapeshifter | it will be awesome | 21:44 |
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| Shapeshifter | the boost implementation is incredibly slow and has many bugs. bugs they won't even bother to fix anymore because shiboken is probably out within a couple of weeks | 21:45 |
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| * noobmonk3y blinks | 21:45 | |
| noobmonk3y | oi! | 21:45 |
| Shapeshifter | ("months" to be safe) ;) | 21:45 |
| noobmonk3y | hehe | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: (>> doesn't work) it's no shell | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's probably an execve or system() call | 21:45 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: mhhh, right. | 21:45 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: execve doesn't take strings, and system() calls the shell... | 21:46 |
| Shapeshifter | probably ash -c 'bla >> foo' will work. | 21:46 |
| * Arif_ strangles noobmonk3y with a wlan cable | 21:46 | |
| * Shapeshifter tries | 21:46 | |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: I wouldn't bet on it | 21:46 |
| noobmonk3y | thankg god for wireless ;) | 21:46 |
| lcuk | Arif_, that doesnt work, noobmonk3y has gills | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | should work | 21:46 |
| noobmonk3y | d oi? | 21:46 |
| noobmonk3y | sh*t never noticed | 21:46 |
| luke-jr | sounds like it's doing a simple split on space, then to execve :/ | 21:46 |
| noobmonk3y | no wonder i like swimming :) | 21:46 |
| luke-jr | in which case it will ignore quotation | 21:46 |
| Arif_ | xD | 21:46 |
| luke-jr | quotes are as much a shell thing as >> | 21:47 |
| noobmonk3y | ooo brb | 21:47 |
| Shapeshifter | luke-jr: it doesn't split space. simpler arguments work | 21:48 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: hmm?? | 21:48 |
| Shapeshifter | /bin/ash -c '/bin/echo something >> /tmp/testfile' worked | 21:48 |
| luke-jr | lucky you | 21:48 |
| luke-jr | :p | 21:48 |
| Shapeshifter | ;) | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: I tried to post exactly same :-P Alas: [2010-03-10 20:46:33] [Fehler] bin/sh: Unbekannter Befehl. | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | XP | 21:49 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: huh? why is that | 21:50 |
| Shapeshifter | well. missing leading "/" or what | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | line beginning with slash | 21:50 |
| Shapeshifter | yeah | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | /bin/sh -c '/home/user/scripts/test -foo' but if I try '/bin/echo "something" >> /tmp/testfile' | 21:50 |
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| m2cm2c | hello | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh even the C6P failed (nah I failed on C&P) | 21:51 |
| Shapeshifter | I'm confused now | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I c&p your >>>'/home/user/scripts/test -foo' but if I try '/bin/echo "something" >> /tmp/testfile'<<< to above command in my post | 21:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | when I meant '/bin/echo "something" >> /tmp/testfile' | 21:53 |
| Shapeshifter | ah so you copied what I said. instead of commands. | 21:53 |
| Shapeshifter | ah yes ;) okay got it ^^ | 21:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: cmdline interface as well on alarmed? | 21:54 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: to set events? no. do you think anyone would be using it? | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | me would | 21:55 |
| RST38h | http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1716385 | 21:55 |
| * RST38h is sure a lot of people here will enjoy this one ;) | 21:55 | |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: well I can make one. Not very much work. I'll look into it... | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 21:57 |
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| Shapeshifter | right now I'm wondering how to put the command entered by the user into /bin/ash -c '<here>'. the user shouldn't have to enter the ash bit. I mean, what I should have to perform on the string before passing it to alarmd. /bin/ash -c '/home/user/scripts/test \'blah\' ' doesn't work. | 21:59 |
| Shapeshifter | I mean, the only problem occurs if the user enters single quotes. that's the issue | 21:59 |
| barfoos_ | hi. i just wanted to change my sshd's port, but apparently /etc/ssh/sshd_config is not read. after "invoke-rc.d ssh restart" it's still listening on port 22. | 22:00 |
| Shapeshifter | /bin/ash -c '(/home/user/scripts/test 'blah')' | 22:00 |
| Shapeshifter | seems to work. not sure if this is right. seems very weird | 22:00 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: '\'' | 22:00 |
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| barfoos_ | is this supposed to be like that? | 22:00 |
| RST38h | "...at that time, keeping the chip low cost meant ensuring it would go in low-cost packaging, which meant plastic. In order to use plastic packaging, we had to keep the power dissipation below a wattthat was a hard limit. Anything above a watt would make the plastic packaging unsuitable, and the package would cost more than the chip itself." | 22:00 |
| luke-jr | barfoos_: install openssh-server? | 22:00 |
| barfoos_ | luke-jr: sure. that's why i have /etc/ssh/sshd_config | 22:01 |
| Shapeshifter | luke-jr: mhh, okay. thanks | 22:01 |
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| RST38h | "...We applied Victorian engineering margins, and in designing to ensure it came out under a watt, we missed, and it came out under a tenth of a wattreally low power." | 22:01 |
| luke-jr | ROFL | 22:02 |
| barfoos_ | luke-jr: i can login to port 22. the problem is sshd doesn't read the port directive in the config. | 22:02 |
| barfoos_ | or the whole config | 22:02 |
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| luke-jr | RST38h: so now that they have funds, that's why it sucks far more power now? :P | 22:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: the current ones go rather faster. | 22:06 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Plus - around a watt for the CPU flat-out at 600MHz is about right for the current one | 22:07 |
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| barfoos_ | mh. the reason why sshd didn't read the config was that it didn't restart at all trough my "invoke-rc.d ssh restart". a reboot did the job. | 22:12 |
| barfoos_ | seems strange though | 22:12 |
| barfoos_ | i did it as root | 22:12 |
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| barfoos_ | can you stop sshd with the invoke script? | 22:14 |
| Shapeshifter | the image view thing is closed source as well, right? | 22:15 |
| lupine_85 | argh. is repository.maemo.org broken for anyone else? | 22:16 |
| Shapeshifter | btw today I fooled myself: I was looking at some pictures and for some reason while being absent minded I went back through the pictures and there were a couple of screenshots of my desktop. I looked back at the device and wanted to change one desktop to the left and there was the same thing again. >.> and to the left of that was the task manager. I really was stumped | 22:17 |
| Shapeshifter | until I found out I still was in the image viewer ._. | 22:17 |
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| barfoos_ | lupine_85: nope. it's up and running | 22:18 |
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| lupine_85 | for some reason, my scratchbox is hanging at '0% [Connecting to repository.maemo.org]' | 22:19 |
| lupine_85 | I think it's an sb problem, rather than a networking one :/ | 22:19 |
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| ds3 | from looking at all the posts, it appears that when the USB port is configured for modem mode, you do not loose connectivity on the N900 itself, is that right? | 22:20 |
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| lupine_85 | ahh, dns resolution issue | 22:26 |
| Shapeshifter | also, what's up with the ash shell prompt. after 'cd /opt/' it says: Nokia-N900-02-8:/home/opt# | 22:28 |
| Shapeshifter | /home/opt ?? | 22:29 |
| Hydroxide | Shapeshifter: /opt is a symlink to /home/opt due to the partitioning layout | 22:29 |
| lupine_85 | that's better | 22:29 |
| Shapeshifter | Hydroxide: humm. that's not visible from df -h or fstab | 22:30 |
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| Shapeshifter | not from mount either. I don't even get how opt is mounted where | 22:30 |
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| cehteh | lupine_85: about the hang: you have to setup /etc/resolv.conf in sb | 22:46 |
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| lupine_85 | yeah, I got it now | 22:47 |
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| lovelyboy | hi, everyone, how to disable pyhon support on the device? | 22:49 |
| lovelyboy | it's python | 22:49 |
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| Hydroxide | lovelyboy: I don't think you can without breaking stuff | 22:49 |
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| ShadowJK | Hydroxide, well it's not installed by default | 22:50 |
| lovelyboy | that means i dont need to disable it since am using a new phone, there isnt such thing yet? | 22:51 |
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| lovelyboy | and i succeed to install opencv package on the device, but the x-term shows "error while loading shared libraries: libcvaux.so.4:cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory" | 22:54 |
| lovelyboy | what's the problem then? | 22:54 |
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| ShadowJK | How did you install it? | 22:54 |
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| lovelyboy | ShadowJK:you mean opencv? | 22:54 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 22:55 |
| lovelyboy | the opencv is available in extras-devel now | 22:55 |
| ShadowJK | Well there's a warning about -devel for a reason :) | 22:55 |
| lovelyboy | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-d...free/o/opencv/ | 22:56 |
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| lovelyboy | so, how to deal with my problem then? | 22:56 |
| Arif_ | how did you put dots in there? | 22:57 |
| Shapeshifter | the tweakr author (siovene) ain't around here, is he? | 22:58 |
| lovelyboy | Arif_:sorry, what do u mean by dots? i dont understand | 22:58 |
| Arif_ | the link =} | 22:58 |
| lovelyboy | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/o/opencv/ | 22:58 |
| lovelyboy | oh, sorry | 22:58 |
| Arif_ | it just suprised me how you managed that...:( | 22:59 |
| alterego | http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/03/iphone-developer-program-license-agreement-all | 23:00 |
| alterego | If a company wants to write a proprietary app for the N900 (with Qt) do they have to pay Nokia for the Qt license? | 23:00 |
| javispedro | Qt is LGPL 2.1 | 23:01 |
| javispedro | (and licensed also under a miriad of other licenses) | 23:01 |
| javispedro | so, if you dynamically link against it (aka you're not doing a derived work) it's OK. | 23:01 |
| alterego | Ah, I was wondering if it was something like that, what about distribution? | 23:01 |
| alterego | Say I write an app to work on a desktop too? | 23:02 |
| javispedro | well you'd have to distribute the Qt source code. not a big deal. | 23:02 |
| javispedro | (the Qt library itself source code, not your app's) | 23:02 |
| alterego | Presumably I could just point to the Qt site if I use an official build? | 23:02 |
| javispedro | no, you can't | 23:03 |
| javispedro | afaik. | 23:03 |
| alterego | Oh | 23:03 |
| javispedro | this was discussed recently... | 23:03 |
| javispedro | but I don't remember where :) | 23:03 |
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| alterego | I could possibly say: Just download Qt from here? :) | 23:03 |
| alterego | So I don't even distribute the binaries? | 23:03 |
| lcuk | yes | 23:03 |
| alterego | m'kay | 23:04 |
| lcuk | the principle problem is distributing the binary on windows cd etc | 23:04 |
| lcuk | its a bit easier in linux with the repo mechanism | 23:04 |
| alterego | Okay, just thought I'd find out before I pimped my proposals at work :) | 23:05 |
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| luke-jr | alterego: if you don't distribute Qt, you don't need to include the code | 23:06 |
| alterego | right | 23:06 |
| luke-jr | alterego: but you really should always include code no matter what, even for your main product ;) | 23:06 |
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| alterego | luke-jr: I agree completely, unfortunately my company doesn't ;) | 23:07 |
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| javispedro | ah sorry, I was thinking you were planning to distribute the Qt library. | 23:07 |
| ds3 | assuming it is indeed true that modem mode doesn't cut off the N900's access to the net; is it possible to use modem mode to connect to the MMS APN and remain connected to the normal APN for N900's own internet access? | 23:07 |
| * RST38h moos evilly at javispedro and lcuk | 23:07 | |
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| javispedro | hey RST | 23:07 |
| luke-jr | alterego: just tell them it's standard practice, but you can restrict the copyright even so? | 23:08 |
| lcuk | ds3, i think that was discussed a little at the start of the mms stuff | 23:08 |
| lcuk | it may be technically feasible | 23:08 |
| lcuk | but practically it might be more difficult to get in place | 23:08 |
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| ds3 | lcuk: it was? I thought I found all the old threads | 23:08 |
| lcuk | hiya RST38h | 23:08 |
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| ds3 | would you happen to have the thread URL? | 23:08 |
| lcuk | ds3, im sure it was one of the first things that started to be discussed | 23:08 |
| lcuk | no, it just doesnt sound like an entirely new proposition | 23:09 |
| javispedro | so the Palm Pre Game SDK is mostly SDL 1.2 plus a few GLES and UI sutff patches | 23:09 |
| ds3 | 'k | 23:09 |
| lcuk | javispedro, i saw the post | 23:09 |
| javispedro | Maybe I should port those to the Maemo SDL 1.2 and try to get that in PR 1.3 :) | 23:09 |
| RST38h | javispedro: is it legal though? Given sdl licensing? | 23:09 |
| ds3 | if it wasn't for TMO's auto promotion of SMS's to MMS's... :( | 23:09 |
| javispedro | RST38h: they actually ship the source | 23:09 |
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| RST38h | ah ok | 23:09 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: port it and upload to extras, by all means ;) | 23:09 |
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| lcuk | ds3, i may very likely have been thinking about it based on the original discussion http://wiki.maemo.org/Mms_implemention_conversation having 2 ASNs | 23:12 |
| lcuk | javispedro, strong native well supported gaming apis are a big thumbsup from me | 23:13 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Well Palm stuff is not necessarily "strong", but having it around is good, for compatibility | 23:13 |
| lcuk | sdl | 23:14 |
| javispedro | As I was talking in my post even actual binary compatibility might be possible | 23:14 |
| javispedro | palm recommends against hardcoding the window size. | 23:14 |
| RST38h | javispedro: So should Maemo | 23:14 |
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| RST38h | It is always a good practice | 23:14 |
| javispedro | RST38h: ironically, Maemo hasn't =) | 23:14 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Well nothing prohibits you from adding this suggestion to the list | 23:15 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: And sending the pink diarrhea ray in the general direction of Nokia UX people | 23:15 |
| javispedro | I guess with Qt and all the cross-platformness they'll start suggesting that now. | 23:15 |
| javispedro | (hopefully :)) | 23:15 |
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| javispedro | this reminds me. I need to file a bug; the Maemo SDL doesn't support switching orientation (it will refuse to create 480x800 surfaces if it was started with 800x480 and viceversa) | 23:16 |
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| ds3 | lcuk: ah... I did not see this. I was looking on talk instead. thanks. | 23:16 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I kinda suspect that an explosive diarrhea killing off all the UX people will greatly help to improve Maemo UI coding practices... | 23:16 |
| lcuk | ds3, :) was first proposed there | 23:16 |
| lcuk | frals has come a long way since! | 23:16 |
| frals | pling | 23:17 |
| * frals reads up | 23:17 | |
| lcuk | speak of the devil! | 23:17 |
| ds3 | lcuk: lots of stuff to sort through to find it in the logs | 23:17 |
| lupine_85 | how does the underlying stuff deal with orientation switches, anyway? | 23:17 |
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| lupine_85 | I'd expect it just to use xrandr's rotating power | 23:17 |
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| javispedro | *lcuk summons lvl. 99 frals* | 23:17 |
| * RST38h browses menus for his spell of genocyde | 23:17 | |
| guysoft22 | hi all, would pygl work on the Nokia N810? | 23:18 |
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| ds3 | I'd think a simple cron job that grabs all pending MMS's daily should be fine but... | 23:18 |
| guysoft22 | is there any compilation of it anywhere? | 23:18 |
| frals | ds3: are you wondering if you can have two apn connections active at once? | 23:18 |
| * lupine_85 was planning on putting together a tower defence-style app for maemo. plus, you know, linux in general | 23:18 | |
| javispedro | guysoft22: no, you'd need a opengl es python binding | 23:19 |
| lupine_85 | probably sdl | 23:19 |
| frals | ds3: in that case, depending on your operator, yes | 23:19 |
| javispedro | guysoft22: there's a 1.1 roaming around, dunno about 2.0 | 23:19 |
| RST38h | "Subjects ... perceive their surroundings in a completely accurate manner, except the position of the eyes of all beings or things are shifted to give the illusion of eye contact." | 23:19 |
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| guysoft22 | javispedro, there are youtube videos of that, but no code i see | 23:19 |
| javispedro | guysoft22: seen http://unrealvoodoo.org/hiteck/blog/2007/07/opengl-es-for-maemo/ ? | 23:20 |
| javispedro | http://unrealvoodoo.org/git/python-opengles.git/ | 23:21 |
| SpeedEvil | lupine_85: eals with rotation poorly. | 23:21 |
| ds3 | frals: yes | 23:21 |
| SpeedEvil | lupine_85: many apps are unusable. | 23:21 |
| javispedro | ah, sorry, didn't read lupine_85's question. | 23:22 |
| ds3 | frals: my operator, TMO, automatically upgrades SMS's to MMS's if certain conditions are met | 23:22 |
| lupine_85 | mm, about the only thing that does anything with it is the dialer | 23:22 |
| javispedro | yes, they use xrandr, but do not use xrandr rotation stuff | 23:22 |
| javispedro | they just "switch" resolution | 23:22 |
| lupine_85 | and that's really annoying, to be frank | 23:22 |
| corecode | how do you initiate a video call on jabber? | 23:22 |
| corecode | it only seems to work when somebody calls me | 23:22 |
| corecode | not when i try | 23:22 |
| * lcuk kicks his wifi | 23:22 | |
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| lupine_85 | corecode: it's just an option in the dialer for me | 23:22 |
| RST38h | BTW | 23:22 |
| ds3 | frals: if it is possible, then the only remaining issue is ip addr space collisions and a brute force answer there could be a VM | 23:22 |
| andrei1089 | hi, is there any way to play a sound using gstreamer while media player is running ? | 23:22 |
| lupine_85 | I think | 23:22 |
| RST38h | GAN: Around? | 23:22 |
| corecode | lupine_85: where? | 23:22 |
| frals | ds3: yes, subnet collisions are a pita | 23:23 |
| andrei1089 | now i'm using playbin2 sink but no sound is played | 23:23 |
| corecode | lupine_85: i have "jabber call", but nothing for video | 23:23 |
| frals | upgrading kernel is a solution as well afaik | 23:23 |
| lupine_85 | wait, that's jabber call, yeah | 23:23 |
| lupine_85 | d'uh | 23:23 |
| frals | i got a ugly hack in place in fMMS that should make it work whenever the active connection and the mms apn is on the "same" subnet | 23:23 |
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| ds3 | upgrading the kernel still means you have to sort through policy routing issues | 23:23 |
| ds3 | frals: are you using the ioctl to bind a socket to an interface? | 23:24 |
| frals | nope | 23:24 |
| frals | just custom routes | 23:24 |
| frals | really ugly as said, but it seems to work :p | 23:24 |
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| ds3 | if that works, go for it :D | 23:25 |
| pupnik | nice to see cpasjuste has a n900 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkVkXIAwyZg mupen64plus | 23:25 |
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| pronto | O_O | 23:25 |
| ds3 | I just think all of this is easier then talking to my carrier about reprovisioning my account as a dumb phone to trigger their legacy support | 23:25 |
| frals | ds3: yeah, WORKSFORME at least... ;D | 23:25 |
| pronto | wait did i read that right, they got mupen64 on n900?!?! | 23:25 |
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| javispedro | ah, he's port is already a bit faster than mines | 23:26 |
| javispedro | s/he's/his | 23:26 |
| ds3 | frals: I'll do some testing for you when my device arrives | 23:26 |
| frals | cool, lemme know how it goes | 23:26 |
| pronto | i recently got a ps3 controller to use with my n900, was playing snes, but i really want n64 games x.x | 23:26 |
| lupine_85 | pronto: how do you connect the ps3 controller to the n900? | 23:27 |
| pronto | bluethooth | 23:27 |
| lupine_85 | heh | 23:27 |
| pronto | works great | 23:27 |
| lupine_85 | I guess it would, at that | 23:27 |
| pronto | and with the n900's video out you got yourself fun times! | 23:27 |
| * lupine_85 has an old PS2<->USB adaptor | 23:27 | |
| pronto | heh | 23:28 |
| lupine_85 | I was trying to envision how that'd work... :D | 23:28 |
| pronto | haha, i wouldnt trust the usb port for that :s | 23:28 |
| Shapeshifter | I kinda doubt it will ever run smoothly | 23:28 |
| * lupine_85 is planning on doing an entire presentation from his N900 on Monday | 23:28 | |
| pronto | i've already had one mircousb port fall out -.- | 23:28 |
| lupine_85 | well, they're gadget-side anyway | 23:28 |
| * lupine_85 tries to convince make menuconfig to work | 23:29 | |
| lupine_85 | every single time... | 23:29 |
| pronto | is that like the catorzie thing? | 23:29 |
| ds3 | lupine_85: with TV out to the projector? | 23:29 |
| pronto | to put the menu into catrogies | 23:29 |
| lupine_85 | that's the idea | 23:29 |
| ds3 | Nice | 23:29 |
| lupine_85 | (to both, as it turns out) | 23:29 |
| ds3 | what are you using to show slides? | 23:30 |
| pronto | you got a video splitter i hope? | 23:30 |
| lupine_85 | yeah, I've got the cable | 23:30 |
| lupine_85 | haven't looked into slide display yet | 23:30 |
| lupine_85 | n900 comes with 'docs to go' whatever that is | 23:30 |
| lupine_85 | hopefully OOo-compatibler | 23:30 |
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| ds3 | I see | 23:30 |
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| pronto | heh, hrm i should test out the presnetation mode on google docs | 23:31 |
| pronto | i knwo google docs itself works on the n900 | 23:31 |
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| * lupine_85 hissses at google-* | 23:31 | |
| ds3 | I did presentations from a Beagle Board before via the DVI output... problem is the folks at places don't often have the right cables | 23:31 |
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| * lcuk does presentations fro mthe n900 | 23:31 | |
| lupine_85 | looks like docs-to-go is word-compatible :/ | 23:32 |
| lupine_85 | lcuk: .odp slides? | 23:32 |
| lcuk | no, stuff based on liq* | 23:32 |
| lupine_85 | fair enough | 23:32 |
| lupine_85 | I give presentations once every 3 years or so | 23:33 |
| pronto | haha epic, the presnetation mode on google docs works witth n900 | 23:33 |
| * lcuk doesnt like normal presentations | 23:33 | |
| pronto | win \o/ | 23:33 |
| lcuk | they arent interactive enough | 23:33 |
| lupine_85 | I mostly use them as somewhere to point at :) | 23:33 |
| lupine_85 | if the audience is paying attention to the slides instead of me, I'm generally doing it wrong, I think | 23:33 |
| lcuk | i like live things, so if i talk about adding something | 23:33 |
| lcuk | i dont just have a slide, it just gets added | 23:33 |
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| pH5 | Stskeeps, javispedro: is anybody working on integrating the omaplcd / mbxaccess modules into the diablo kernel tree? | 23:37 |
| frals | ~curse Java | 23:37 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Java ! | 23:37 |
| cpasjuste | <fnode'pupnik> nice to see cpasjuste has a n900 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkVkXIAwyZg mupen64plus > thanks :) | 23:37 |
| javispedro | pH5: at least I'm not : | 23:37 |
| javispedro | P | 23:37 |
| pH5 | I've set up a diablo sb target now, and after much banging my head against invisible walls managed to build the modules. | 23:39 |
| pH5 | I wonder where to go from there. Try to make omaplcd alloc the dma memory on module load? | 23:40 |
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| pupnik | thank you cpasjuste! fun to see | 23:40 |
| javispedro | pH5: that should be doable at least :) more challenging would be try to guess what causes the pauses and wheter they're related to the leak. | 23:41 |
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| _strcpy | somebody please urge developers to fix the broken python-scapy package ... | 23:42 |
| * lupine_85 wonders if there's any way to get a selectable kernel list from whatever bootloader the n900 uses | 23:42 | |
| javispedro | there's no way currently, but does kexec work? | 23:42 |
| lupine_85 | I doubt it's got support compiled in | 23:43 |
| lupine_85 | wait, it does | 23:43 |
| lupine_85 | crazy | 23:43 |
| javispedro | it was requested for diablo.. | 23:43 |
| javispedro | and even previous versions. | 23:43 |
| tybollt | la? | 23:43 |
| pupnik | iirc no javispedro | 23:44 |
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| lupine_85 | 'though there's no userland tool installed by default | 23:44 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, hmm? fwiw I don't highlight on GAN usually. | 23:45 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Sorry. Wanted to asked about MacOSX problem with WiFI APs | 23:48 |
| RST38h | GAN: Is it always so unstable? | 23:49 |
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| ponyofdeath | hi, anyone here using t-mobile in the usa and having problems with sending emails to phone#@tmomail.net? I cant seem to get nagios to send alerts or they are intermittent. | 23:51 |
| Hydroxide | ponyofdeath: t-mo usa uses mms instead of sms when the message exceed 160 chars. you need to use one of the unofficial mms support implementations for the n900 | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ShadowJK; any now facts or rumours about that bat gauge chip? | 23:52 |
| Hydroxide | ponyofdeath: I use fmms to handle that, and I think one other one exists | 23:52 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizernot been looking at it. | 23:53 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, i'm clueless | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | checking I2C used chip addresses might help | 23:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | alas I have no clue what's been the tool to do that | 23:55 |
| ponyofdeath | Hydroxide: i see so follow the fmms guide online? | 23:55 |
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| ShadowJK | i'm under the impression that it's generally not possible to detect things on i2c reliably | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sometimes it's not | 23:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | this one here should give a identifiable reply though | 23:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I mean it,s a monitoring chip designed to yield values to be read | 23:58 |
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| lupine_85 | ShadowJK: My phone-3 used an i2c keyboard, I believe | 23:58 |
| lupine_85 | perfectly reliable | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and it's on same I2C bus as the charger mgmnt chip | 23:59 |
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