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| woglinde | which country? | 00:00 |
| Ian-- | malta europe | 00:00 |
| woglinde | hm | 00:00 |
| nidO | Ian-- - Settings > about | 00:00 |
| woglinde | akamai is in service | 00:00 |
| nidO | whats your current version | 00:00 |
| woglinde | maybee malta comes latetest | 00:00 |
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| Ian-- | i should have the version 1.1 | 00:01 |
| nidO | whats the full version listed | 00:01 |
| Ian-- | in fact version is 2.2009.51-1 | 00:01 |
| nidO | and after that? | 00:01 |
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| Ian-- | 2.2009.51-1.203.2 | 00:02 |
| nidO | uk variant phone | 00:02 |
| nidO | nokia havent bothered releasing the firmware update to uk phones yet | 00:02 |
| nidO | christ knows why. | 00:02 |
| Ian-- | o ic | 00:02 |
| pupnik | never know what the idiot government does | 00:03 |
| RST38h | what again? | 00:03 |
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| nidO | it's nokia, not the govt | 00:04 |
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| Ian-- | hope that it won't take too long | 00:04 |
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| pupnik | n900 is just amazingly kickass | 00:05 |
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| pupnik | getting uswd to the keyboard and im really fast now | 00:05 |
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| pupnik | ergh typos still | 00:05 |
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| pupnik | used | 00:07 |
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| pupnik | und was geht ab alter? | 00:08 |
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| woglinde | re javis | 00:10 |
| javispedro | hi | 00:11 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:12 |
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| * pwnguin discovers someone uploaded coreutils & more | 00:17 | |
| pwnguin | yay | 00:17 |
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| javispedro | but is it busybox-conflicting, device-bricking coreutils, or some working thing? | 00:18 |
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| pwnguin | it installs to /usr/bin/gnu | 00:18 |
| pwnguin | or smth | 00:18 |
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| t-tan | pwnguin: yes, it was me | 00:19 |
| t-tan | I'm just uploaded a version which also generates g* versions in /usr/bin | 00:19 |
| pwnguin | im also glad less was installed | 00:20 |
| t-tan | s/uploaded/uploading/ | 00:20 |
| infobot | t-tan meant: I'm just uploading a version which also generates g* versions in /usr/bin | 00:20 |
| pwnguin | now to figure out why chsh refuses bash | 00:20 |
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| satmd | Stskeeps: I read about you playing with g_serial... is the module available somewhere? | 00:23 |
| pwnguin | ah, color ls | 00:23 |
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| Stskeeps | compile it, it's available in kernel source | 00:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I guess we can say goodbye to the public bugzilla for Nokia closed-source stuff. :\ | 00:35 |
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| mariorz | is there a python2.6 package for the n810? | 00:36 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, everything will be open so no need :D (/me doubts that ;)) | 00:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, since MeeGo isn't tracking Nokia closed-source products. | 00:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh | 00:37 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, they have a bugzilla already ? | 00:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, not yet, but will. | 00:38 |
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| VDVsx | well, if that happens is a big lost, really hope that others can see that | 00:39 |
| VDVsx | we can create micro communities inside meego :D | 00:40 |
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| ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, I'd think maemo bugzilla would remain to deal with nokia-meego specific issues.. | 00:41 |
| wiretapped | solution: stop using nokia closed source stuff | 00:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, Maemo as a brand is going away. | 00:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, not sure where that would live. | 00:42 |
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| ShadowJK | I suspect that reality will be more like meego being an upstream for Nokia, Intel, LG, whoever | 00:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | God damn this is a pain in the ass. | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: what I expected to see from this insane move | 00:45 |
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| wiretapped | has nokia cut any osso staff yet? | 00:47 |
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| ShadowJK | lol | 00:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Oh, man, this is just golden. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=532987&postcount=8 | 00:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish johnx were here. | 00:49 |
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| Pgrodt | in other news, it was just annunced that Ubuntu Linux and Gentoo Linux will combine to form "Genbuntoo" :D | 00:50 |
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| Jef91 | did anyone else have the flash light application break on them with the recent update? | 00:50 |
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| wiretapped | the original plan for qt was that maemo5 would only have "community support" for qt, and it wouldn't come from nokia until harmattan | 00:56 |
| wiretapped | according to http://www.slideshare.net/qgil/maemo-harmattan-qt-and-more | 00:56 |
| * wiretapped wonders how many other things that were going to be in harmattan will now be rolled into PR1.2 | 00:57 | |
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| asj | wiretapped: I suspect there aren't many people working on the n900 code anymore | 00:58 |
| wiretapped | kinda seems like maybe the name harmattan got reassigned for marketing purposes? | 00:58 |
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| wiretapped | asj: no, i reckon there aren't | 00:59 |
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| ToiletOil | I just had one of the "linux is fucking awesome"-moments. I just edited my phones /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/ keymap with vim over ssh, and when I was done I issued a "setxkbmap" and the changes took effect. | 01:00 |
| ml-mobile | yup | 01:02 |
| ToiletOil | sometime you need to stop and remind you that you're actually working with a phone, and not a computer | 01:02 |
| ToiletOil | yourself | 01:02 |
| ml-mobile | no, you're working with a computer | 01:02 |
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| ml-mobile | "phone" is just an entry in a capabilities list | 01:03 |
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| lardman | evening | 01:04 |
| ToiletOil | it is indeed a computer, but it's hard to forget that the device you're issuing commands to is actually in your front pocket | 01:04 |
| ToiletOil | s/hard/easy/ | 01:04 |
| infobot | ToiletOil meant: it is indeed a computer, but it's easy to forget that the device you're issuing commands to is actually in your front pocket | 01:04 |
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| ToiletOil | wow | 01:05 |
| ToiletOil | dude, that's the best bot ever | 01:05 |
| woglinde | jo lardman | 01:06 |
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| lardman | hi woglinde | 01:06 |
| Pgrodt | Stand back!! Infobot knows regular expressions! | 01:08 |
| * ToiletOil <3 infobot | 01:09 | |
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| javispedro | ~chase ToiletOil | 01:09 |
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| jacekowski | does default maemo kernel have support for Thumb binaries? | 01:16 |
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| javispedro | not thumbee | 01:17 |
| javispedro | but it can run thumb code | 01:17 |
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| javispedro | ahaha | 02:13 |
| javispedro | n810 vkb appearing on a sdl app :) | 02:13 |
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| javispedro | priceless :) | 02:13 |
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| woglinde | javis? | 02:20 |
| javispedro | i'm doing a hildon input method sdl bridge | 02:20 |
| javispedro | then I'll see if I can fix dosbox | 02:21 |
| woglinde | hm reminds me of pupnik's closed source keyboardpackage | 02:21 |
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| woglinde | javis how do you solved it? | 02:22 |
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| woglinde | setting the xatoms? | 02:22 |
| javispedro | woglinde: i'm just doing what Qt does, yes | 02:22 |
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| woglinde | hm I am glad if I could take it over for qtnx | 02:23 |
| javispedro | but I also hope to get proper international khardware eyboard support in dosbox. | 02:23 |
| woglinde | or better nxproxy | 02:23 |
| woglinde | do you have a code pointer? | 02:23 |
| javispedro | http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo/blobs/4.6-fremantle/src/gui/inputmethod/qhildoninputcontext_x11.cpp | 02:23 |
| javispedro | I found it easy to understand. | 02:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where is Kathy when you need her. . . . | 02:24 |
| javispedro | basically it has a set of "commands" you can send to the hildon im window. | 02:24 |
| javispedro | setting valid input modes (numeric, alpha) (qt sends it after changing widget focus) | 02:25 |
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| javispedro | actually showing the keyboard (with a "reason", like "user tapped a text field") | 02:26 |
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| woglinde | general at sleep | 02:26 |
| woglinde | javis hms but as I feared | 02:26 |
| woglinde | I have to forward the wohle stuff | 02:26 |
| woglinde | this suckz | 02:26 |
| javispedro | yeah, if you're redirecting X.. | 02:27 |
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| woglinde | hm nxproxy is pure c | 02:29 |
| woglinde | so no qt goddies | 02:29 |
| javispedro | yes, I'm stripping the Qt stuff from my lib | 02:30 |
| javispedro | though adding a bit of SDL stuff ;) | 02:30 |
| woglinde | let me take a look when you are finished | 02:30 |
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| woglinde | but now I am going to sleep | 02:32 |
| woglinde | good nite | 02:32 |
| javispedro | nite woglinde | 02:34 |
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| jacekowski | to flash n900 i only need working bootloader? | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: in the sense of "no booted system needed" i'd say yes, bootloader is all you need | 02:45 |
| timeless_mbp | you probably need a usb cable too | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course your desktop PC should have a booted up system | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 02:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | And a functioning universe. | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least *one*, yeah | 02:46 |
| pwnguin | you're also gonna need plenty of free electrons | 02:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a file to actually flash to N900 also helps | 02:47 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i'm probably about to brick my n900 but i want to be sure that i would be able to unbrick it | 02:47 |
| pwnguin | jacekowski: i'd probably practice unbricking first, before the actual brick making beings | 02:48 |
| pwnguin | begins | 02:48 |
| simula_ | heh | 02:48 |
| jacekowski | i can't unbrick not bricked device | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: don't worry. Guys with more knowledge and experience than me said it never happened so far you bricked a maemo-Nxxx device | 02:48 |
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| jacekowski | i've got JTAG at work for worst case scenario but i suppose it would be pretty hard to access connector in n900 | 02:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and even harder to get the needed sw to unbrick via JTAG | 02:49 |
| javispedro | if you brick it up to the point you need jtag, then it's pretty much bricked. but that happened to few people. | 02:49 |
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| * SpeedEvil stares at the array of gold pads on the bottom. | 02:50 | |
| pwnguin | jacekowski: i tried forcing a dist-upgrade and it still recovered with a simple flash util | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you removed tha battery??? | 02:50 |
| jacekowski | i will have to make cable for uart port | 02:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: virtually. Actually I'm updating gnu-findutils | 02:51 |
| jacekowski | to get my kernel panics out | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: write a panic-over-sms module | 02:51 |
| cehteh | kernel-cores over sms? ... 140 characters each :) | 02:52 |
| jacekowski | 160 | 02:52 |
| cehteh | hah .. be happy | 02:52 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders how hard it could be to redirect console output to the IR-LED, by bitbanging in the end if there's no UART attached to that GPIO | 02:53 | |
| Pgrodt | im probably using bad googling. but anyone know if maemo has man available? only thread i can find is from 2006. | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: the LED driver chip seems smart enough. | 02:53 |
| jacekowski | i could try to run my kernel on qemu before bricking device | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: the notification/kbd one that is | 02:53 |
| cehteh | smart for what? | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | so get a fototransistor and make up a adapter cable to rs232 | 02:54 |
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| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: i think that IR is connected to uart somehow | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | place the phototransistor directly to the IR apperture | 02:54 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: iirc | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | no need even for a carrier and modulation | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Or just console over IRDA | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | (one-directional) | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | just bang out the serial bitstream to IR, and recover it in the photosensor | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I assume the CIR transmitter is really connected to a UART | 02:55 |
| jacekowski | i wasn't paying attention to that part of datasheet | 02:57 |
| jacekowski | but i think it's a uart port with cir functionality | 02:57 |
| jacekowski | and fir functionality | 02:57 |
| javispedro | jacekowski: by "your own kernel" you mean a non omap-linux one? | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | just kick the CIR/FIR functions | 02:57 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: standard one with my patches | 02:57 |
| javispedro | jacekowski: ah. I wouldn't worry much then. | 02:58 |
| javispedro | well unless your patches touch dangerous stuff. | 02:58 |
| javispedro | since you can even reflash the individual kernel. | 02:58 |
| javispedro | s/the individual kernel/the kernel only. | 02:58 |
| jacekowski | well, i'm messing with vfs | 02:58 |
| jacekowski | and usb | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | NOLO doesn't need the kernel for flashing (MHO) | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | means NOLO will flash a new kernel even when old one is borked | 03:00 |
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| javispedro | definitely. | 03:00 |
| jacekowski | is it possible to have 2 kernels? | 03:00 |
| jacekowski | or there isn't enough space | 03:00 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: it's simpler to just set it to IRDA mode. Then you can buy a USB->IRDA cheap thing | 03:00 |
| javispedro | nope, but you can even boot one without flashing it. | 03:00 |
| javispedro | the bootloader can boot a kernel through usb -- see flasher's -b option | 03:01 |
| jacekowski | well, i could flash it with almost stock kernel + kexec | 03:01 |
| SpeedEvil | shiny kexec is shiny. | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: if IRDA mode is totally transparent (needs no management from system side) then yes, it's better even | 03:01 |
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| jacekowski | 01:00 | 03:02 |
| javispedro | "IRDA mode" what? there's no IrDA. | 03:02 |
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| javispedro | on the n900 that is. | 03:02 |
| jacekowski | time to sleep | 03:02 |
| SpeedEvil | There is a LED connected to a IRDA capable port | 03:02 |
| SpeedEvil | probably | 03:02 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: rtfm | 03:02 |
| SpeedEvil | this doesn't mean you can recieve | 03:02 |
| javispedro | probably nothing -- it's damn simple. | 03:02 |
| javispedro | the driver is a lirc one, not a sir one. | 03:02 |
| SpeedEvil | But you can send. | 03:02 |
| pwnguin | this reminds me | 03:02 |
| pwnguin | does the phone have an ir sensor or not? | 03:03 |
| javispedro | it does not | 03:03 |
| * javispedro looks up the driver in mxr | 03:03 | |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/omap3530.pdf | 03:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pwnguin: info on this detail tends to change every other week | 03:03 |
| pwnguin | DocScrutinizer: it seems simple enough to open the damn thing up and look | 03:04 |
| jacekowski | Three UARTs (One with Infrared Data Association [IrDA] and Consumer Infrared | 03:04 |
| jacekowski | [CIR] Modes) | 03:04 |
| pwnguin | except i like my device usable =( | 03:04 |
| pwnguin | jacekowski: so it has uarts available | 03:04 |
| jacekowski | even simpler to rtfm | 03:04 |
| SpeedEvil | So you switch it out of CIR mode | 03:04 |
| javispedro | jacekowski: but do you know if it's connected there? | 03:04 |
| SpeedEvil | and into IRDA mode | 03:05 |
| SpeedEvil | and it works. | 03:05 |
| SpeedEvil | If it's on the CIR capable port | 03:05 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: it would be stupid to have another chip to do it | 03:05 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: if there is already hardware builtin for it | 03:05 |
| javispedro | found the driver | 03:05 |
| javispedro | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/input/lirc/lirc_rx51.c | 03:05 |
| pwnguin | jacekowski: correct me if im wrong but thats just the processor no? | 03:05 |
| jacekowski | pwnguin: yes | 03:05 |
| jacekowski | pwnguin: but it pretty much goes straight to LED from there | 03:06 |
| jacekowski | oh no | 03:06 |
| javispedro | sounds like it it was connected to an omap pwm | 03:07 |
| jacekowski | that's almost like a bitbanging it | 03:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | AIUI there's no demodulating RX chip for IrDA. There allegedly is a dumb IR sensor *not* demodulating the 36KHz signal - or similar madness | 03:07 |
| javispedro | I was pretty depressed the first time I read it. | 03:07 |
| jacekowski | it makes me wanna kill myself | 03:08 |
| jacekowski | anyways | 03:08 |
| pwnguin | a dumb IR sensor would actually be quite handy for me | 03:08 |
| jacekowski | time to sleep | 03:08 |
| jacekowski | good night | 03:08 |
| pwnguin | ive been thinking about building a lighting detector | 03:08 |
| koupsa | good nite | 03:08 |
| javispedro | I have a dumb lirc sensor on my desktop, an a dumb lirc tx on my n900. | 03:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | pwnguin, prox sensor? | 03:09 |
| javispedro | nite jacekowski | 03:09 |
| pwnguin | GeneralAntilles: donno. i hadn't really explored the onboard hardware angle | 03:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | pwnguin, maybe ambient light, too? | 03:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: prox is too slow I guess | 03:10 |
| pwnguin | GeneralAntilles: ive been pointed at a CHDK script that i havent looked at yet | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | also probably specialized in sending a modulated IR signal and sensing the echo | 03:10 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure about the API for the CIR side. | 03:11 |
| SpeedEvil | It could look like that. | 03:11 |
| SpeedEvil | The CIR uart | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: ambient definitely is too slow | 03:11 |
| * SpeedEvil reads more closely to find what port it's frobbing. | 03:11 | |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: the user mode api is a char device with some ioctls | 03:11 |
| javispedro | ah, you saw that already then | 03:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | javispedro: yes - I don't care. | 03:13 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: I am wondering if that's actually driving the CIR hardware. | 03:13 |
| SpeedEvil | But my internet is being slow, and I'm tired. | 03:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Or if it's a PWM pin | 03:13 |
| SpeedEvil | The former - and IRDA (out) is easy - the latter - and it's bitbang time. | 03:13 |
| javispedro | I believe it is | 03:14 |
| * DocScrutinizer sighs and wonders whom to pester to finally get a NDA to sign, so Nokia could disclose the schematics to him | 03:14 | |
| pwnguin | just do it the bunnie way | 03:14 |
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| pwnguin | ridiculus MIT stipends and unused acid baths | 03:14 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: which? | 03:15 |
| javispedro | a pwm pin | 03:15 |
| matthew- | pwnguin: huh ;-) | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I can provide the rope, if you can find a tall building to hang them out of by the ankles. | 03:16 |
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| * SpeedEvil finds a 34M PDF probably with the answer. | 03:16 | |
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| matthew- | crashanddie_: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44718 | 03:20 |
| crashanddie_ | matthew-: and you are who in the thread? | 03:21 |
| matthew- | crashanddie_: the OP | 03:21 |
| crashanddie_ | matthew-: then you are a troll. Thank you very much. | 03:21 |
| matthew- | crashanddie_: As I said, dont call a troll someone that doesnt agree with you. | 03:22 |
| matthew- | I've got my point, that a lot of people sees. If you can't, well then something may be wrong with your eyes. | 03:22 |
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| matthew- | crashanddie_: I bought 14 phones | 03:22 |
| acidjazz | n900 no longer gonna wor? | 03:22 |
| matthew- | + im a donator to maemo | 03:22 |
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| acidjazz | Man, I thought we got a firmware update today.. I guess it was just me then, weird.. | 03:24 |
| acidjazz | lol | 03:24 |
| inerd | ;] | 03:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yesterday, actually. | 03:24 |
| inerd | acidjazz: there still isn't one for the uk | 03:25 |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders what's up with Nokia UK. | 03:25 | |
| acidjazz | i was xpasteing talk.maemo | 03:25 |
| crashanddie_ | xpasteing? | 03:26 |
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| crashanddie_ | crosspasting? | 03:26 |
| crashanddie_ | extreme pasting? | 03:26 |
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| crashanddie_ | <crashanddie_> I don't give a shit how many phones you have, and I coulnd't care less about how much you've donated (oh and btw, there are no such things as donations to Maemo) | 03:29 |
| crashanddie_ | <matthew-> I donate to maemo applications, not the system itself | 03:29 |
| crashanddie_ | <crashanddie_> Donating to apps doesn't entitle you to a better treatment | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie_, so not worth it. | 03:29 |
| koupsa | good night.... (nobody watch olympic games?) | 03:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'd just have banned him for a history of inappropriate topics. :P | 03:29 |
| * MuJ is | 03:30 | |
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| javispedro | what a nice guy | 03:30 |
| acidjazz | lol crosspasting | 03:31 |
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| koupsa | totem http://mafreebox.freebox.fr/freeboxtv/playlist.m3u | 03:31 |
| koupsa | oups sorry bye | 03:31 |
| adalal | heya guys... how risky is flashing the n900? | 03:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Not very as long as you're charged, and nothing interrupts the flashing. | 03:33 |
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| adalal | cool | 03:34 |
| adalal | what is the worst thing that can happen? and how long does it take? | 03:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Flashing of the bootloader fails and you either need to send your device back to Nokia for a cold flashing or build yourself a serial cable. | 03:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | About 30 seconds | 03:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The danger period for the bootloader is a few fractions of a second long. | 03:35 |
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| adalal | and how likely is that? | 03:36 |
| adalal | if you know? | 03:36 |
| adalal | and what do you suggest, other than backups... before the flashing | 03:37 |
| adalal | sorry for being such a nag :P | 03:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've flashed more than a dozen devices hundreds of times. | 03:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Never once had a fatal failure | 03:37 |
| T7g | extremely unlikely to mess up the bootloader unless you're trying to do it intentionally or doing it very wrong | 03:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | and only 1 non-fatal failure | 03:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | What is the name of that site of free audio clips? | 03:37 |
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| T7g | Even without bootloaders if you flash a device correctly and follow the instructions you'll be alright as long as you don't interrupt the flash, not all devices have bootloaders. | 03:38 |
| MuJ | instantrimshot.com | 03:38 |
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| T7g | GeneralAntilles, check out the freesound project | 03:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | T7g, that's the one, thanks. | 03:39 |
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| adalal | thanks, basically i want to switch to the global version from the uk version | 03:47 |
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| adalal | is there a howto site? | 03:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | How to what? | 03:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flash? | 03:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flashing | 03:48 |
| adalal | yeah | 03:48 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 03:48 |
| adalal | thanks | 03:48 |
| adalal | do i need to take out the sim card? | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it listed in the steps? :P | 03:51 |
| adalal | no | 03:51 |
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| adalal | how long do i hve to hold the u key? | 03:57 |
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| adalal | ? | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | until the sign shows up? | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | please read the wikipage | 04:00 |
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| adalal | the problem is, it says wait, not for how long, and then my computer loads it as a usb mass storage device, dont know if that's supposed to happen | 04:03 |
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| adalal | ...? | 04:07 |
| adalal | anyone? | 04:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | adalal: I seem to remember when I flashed I noticed a few strange things not mentioned in the wiki. But I managed to flash it quite easily, in the end | 04:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s don't worry, just try | 04:08 |
| cehteh | hum .. when i send a dbus request to activate the vibrator it vibrates even when the profile is silent (with disabled vibrator) | 04:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm yes. Silence mode is a little flawed it seems. Also for volume of sound playback | 04:10 |
| cehteh | so its not my fault | 04:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or the methods to use audio and vib notifications correctly complient with profiles aren't clearly specified | 04:11 |
| cehteh | (for the notification led the settings are respected) | 04:11 |
| cehteh | well i tried the PatternIncomingCall | 04:11 |
| adalal | DocScrutinizer: do i have to disable automount feature on ubuntu? | 04:12 |
| adalal | or any linux distro? | 04:12 |
| cehteh | adalal: you started the flasher? | 04:12 |
| adalal | not yet | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | adalal: I might have doen a umount | 04:12 |
| adalal | i've tried once... | 04:12 |
| cehteh | adalal: you want to flash or what? | 04:12 |
| adalal | didn't work, as in i held the u for over a minute | 04:12 |
| adalal | yeah, to the global version | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't recall anymore | 04:12 |
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| cehteh | you have to start the flasher first | 04:12 |
| cehteh | then it waits for the device | 04:13 |
| adalal | right, | 04:13 |
| cehteh | no you key | 04:13 |
| cehteh | no "u" key .. damn completion | 04:13 |
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| adalal | oh okay... | 04:13 |
| tgalal__ | I've been struggling for 3 days now trying to do only one thing! Given a phone number, I want to fetch the contact name associated with that number! 3 days switching back and forth between osso abook and ebook libraries. Can someone just point me out to the correct steps get a contact from his/her number | 04:13 |
| cehteh | connect device, start flasher, it says 'waiting for device' .. reboot device | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | tgalal__: I'm interested in this as well | 04:14 |
| adalal | cehteh: i start with the n900 turned off right? | 04:14 |
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| cehteh | adalal: or that | 04:14 |
| cehteh | reboot will do too iirc .. but turned off is a safe bet | 04:14 |
| cehteh | tgalal__: yeah maemo is really weak at this stuff, global searches'n'stuff | 04:15 |
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| adalal | right, so i start the flasher, hold 'u' and connect the flasher, and wait? | 04:15 |
| cehteh | maybe it works somehow but its quite hidden | 04:15 |
| cehteh | adalal: turn device off, connect it to usb, start flasher, turn device on | 04:16 |
| tgalal__ | cehteh, so no one has ever done that before? :D | 04:16 |
| cehteh | no 'u' key | 04:16 |
| cehteh | tgalal__: dunno, well should be 'somehow' possible since incoming calls have the number but are stored with their contact | 04:16 |
| cehteh | i am just generally ranting about lack of some feature i had 15 years ago on my apple newton already | 04:17 |
| tgalal__ | cehteh, right | 04:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | cehteh, Newton had the best integrated data on any device I've ever used. | 04:19 |
| cehteh | i never used some other pda .. but i definately miss the global search, the clipboard, and the gestures | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, truth be told, Maemo isn't trying to be that. | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Newton was a true PDA | 04:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Maemo is a media and internet platform. | 04:20 |
| cehteh | actually i didnt used my newton for 10 years, but when i unboxed my n900 i still tried to use some newton gestured just i was still used to them | 04:20 |
| pgrodt | tagalal:how much did you investigate the EBookQuery thing? I should think that'd be it... | 04:20 |
| cehteh | hey the newton clipboard would be nice for any system .. even mouse based laptop | 04:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | If only iPad had gone a Newton direction. | 04:22 |
| cehteh | GeneralAntilles: and really .. its a shame that 15 years later we still dont have any competive | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too bad Jobs hates Newton so much. | 04:22 |
| cehteh | well lesson learned, never buy a closed product | 04:22 |
| pgrodt | Nah, Newton failed because of the Simpson's joke: "Eat up martin" | 04:22 |
| cehteh | and well i dunno if it was jobs or the money from microsoft | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | cehteh, I think for myself, though, as I move away from academia, the N900 becomes a much more useful devices for me than the Newton. | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | The 100-series really damaged the platform's perception | 04:24 |
| cehteh | GeneralAntilles: sure, but hey the features i noted above would make it much more useful over that | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | and even though the 2000-series completely blew it out of the water it never recovered. | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | cehteh, indeed. | 04:24 |
| cehteh | well i go on hacking | 04:24 |
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| cehteh | lets see to get the xchat blinkenlights working .. with vibrator, banner and dialog support ... | 04:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I got vib on xchat. What's banner and dialog? | 04:29 |
| cehteh | this small yellow banners which vanish by themself after some time | 04:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | libnotify | 04:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's working in whatever build I'm using | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sort of | 04:31 |
| cehteh | and dialog is the big banner in the middle of the screen which requires a tap | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's Hildon Note | 04:31 |
| cehteh | yeah maybe | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: both a big annoyance for xchat | 04:31 |
| cehteh | technically "SystemNoteDialog" and "SystemNoteInfoprint" | 04:32 |
| cehteh | what? | 04:32 |
| adalal | yay, finally did it | 04:32 |
| adalal | :P | 04:32 |
| pgrodt | I'm still a bit new to the debian packaging, how do I get locate (or slocate, or mlocate) working? installing locate complains that I haven't got the right findutils, installing findutils-gnu didn't seem to help. Do I need to adjust something somewhere? | 04:32 |
| cehteh | i make it configureable, dialogs and notes disabled by default | 04:32 |
| cehteh | eh and vibrator disabled too because if the broken profiles | 04:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm fine with my vib support for now | 04:34 |
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| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: your hacked script? | 04:35 |
| cehteh | i am working on an proper plugin .. including deactivating vibrator and plugin when activated | 04:35 |
| uhsf | i'm disapointed http://notionink.in/ didn't wait for MeeGo and chose Android | 04:36 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: do you know if PatternIncomingMessage takes up resources if not canceled? | 04:37 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders. | 04:38 | |
| SpeedEvil | I think I'd like at least blinking support, vibrator, and speak message - for selected users/channels | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: patternincommingmsg should terminate (for vib) | 04:38 |
| cehteh | it terminates the vib .. but as far i see all other things stack | 04:39 |
| cehteh | or increment a refcounter | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | err huh? | 04:39 |
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| cehteh | leds, dialogs etc .. | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | led *can* terminate | 04:40 |
| cehteh | well not sure how it works in detail , lemme test | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | depends on actual pattern you define in mce.ini | 04:40 |
| ptl | File manager does not have a "share" or "send to bluetooth" button: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5300 -- this bugs is marked as resolved two months ago, but I got PR 1.1.1 and my file manager still does not have the option to share files. What am I doing wrong? | 04:42 |
| povbot` | Bug 5300: Support sending files via Bluetooth in file manager | 04:42 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: ok only priorties matter | 04:42 |
| cehteh | they dont stack | 04:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | I really wish they did. | 04:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it could just mix colors. | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: not really. If you want a self terminating LED pattern you need to end the pattern with proper end-cmd rather than a jump-to-start | 04:43 |
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| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: i am not talking about the pattern programming but how mce handles them | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: mixing colors isn't exactly the proper way to have concurrent signals on one 3color LED | 04:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, I just want them to stack until it's just solid white. :P | 04:45 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: if you activate pattern-call and pattern-im, then pattern-call takes precedence, but after pattern-call gets deactivated it continues the pattern-im | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | playing different pattern one after the other might be a better way | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Potential battery eater, though. | 04:45 |
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| cehteh | so mce has some bookeping/stacking .. but only an activation flag per pattern | 04:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: yes... so? | 04:46 |
| cehteh | GeneralAntilles: the leds dont eat much battery, they have their own controler, no cpu involved | 04:46 |
| jaywalk | hey all | 04:47 |
| ptl | no one knows that? | 04:47 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: i was wondering if they actually stack as in reference counters activate the 'pattern-im' twice requires deactivating it twice and so on... and same for vibrator | 04:47 |
| cehteh | but seems not to be the case | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ptl: I don't think FM is capable of sharing files via BT | 04:47 |
| cehteh | take a look at petrovitch | 04:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: vibrator doesn't usually need deactivation as it's a self-terminated pattern | 04:50 |
| cehteh | yeah | 04:50 |
| ptl | DocScrutinizer: ok... is there any third-party that does? | 04:50 |
| cehteh | (well is the Call pattern self terminating? .. trying) | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | for LED i'd think you need to deactivate each activation | 04:50 |
| cehteh | ptl: petrovitch | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ptl: petrovitch | 04:50 |
| ptl | cehteh: I'll try it, thanks | 04:50 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: no you dont need | 04:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, ok | 04:51 |
| cehteh | led_activate (bus, "PatternCommunicationIM"); | 04:51 |
| cehteh | led_activate (bus, "PatternCommunicationIM"); | 04:51 |
| cehteh | usleep(10000000); | 04:51 |
| cehteh | led_deactivate (bus, "PatternCommunicationIM"); | 04:51 |
| cehteh | ... turns it off | 04:52 |
| cehteh | its only on/off and the priority, no refcounter/stacking | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | might still be a per-client scheme | 04:52 |
| cehteh | surprises me a bit, but well its more graceful on programming errors | 04:53 |
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| cehteh | mhm dunno, i doubt it | 04:54 |
| cehteh | (per-client) | 04:54 |
| cehteh | well i dont care, seems useable as is to me, except the strange vibrator thing | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | strange vib thing? | 04:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no strangeness whatsoever found on vib here | 04:58 |
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| fureddo | In the documentation of porting application from qt4 to qt5-maemo, they refer to "Modest email application". Is the source code of this application available? | 04:59 |
| asj | try apt-get source? | 04:59 |
| fureddo | Is the name of the application really Modest? | 04:59 |
| cehteh | yes | 05:00 |
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| fureddo | Ok | 05:00 |
| cehteh | iirc its open | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | and no (afaik) | 05:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 05:00 |
| cehteh | and waits for someone to fix imap-idle | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo.org/openness/pr1.1/ | 05:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | applications/email doesn't look *too* open | 05:01 |
| cehteh | mhm | 05:01 |
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| cehteh | well maybe thats the reason that it is so unuseable | 05:02 |
| * cehteh think that was invented for someone who gets no more than 3 mails a day | 05:02 | |
| cehteh | (and have to answer one in a week) | 05:02 |
| acidjazz | lol | 05:03 |
| cehteh | really | 05:03 |
| cehteh | no imap subscriptions, no threading, no imap idle | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | for sure I'm scared to configure my imap-account with the 80k pending unread msgs :-) | 05:03 |
| cehteh | well since 1.1 it works | 05:04 |
| cehteh | but no idle support still means its really not useful to monitor your mailbox and let you notify on new mails | 05:04 |
| cehteh | notifications should be toggleable on per folder base at least | 05:05 |
| cehteh | all left is that you tell it to fetch mails after every half hour or so and then it shows you only *one* notification for a random mail, which usually is the junk folder | 05:05 |
| cehteh | thats utterly unuseable | 05:06 |
| asj | so use nokia messaging or mfe | 05:06 |
| cehteh | or claws .. which has its own problems, but still | 05:06 |
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| * Arkenoi uses NM, it is pain | 05:07 | |
| cehteh | i have my own mailserver and dont want to route all my mail through nokia | 05:07 |
| Arkenoi | the *MOST* annoying thing with modest is when you open your inbox or compose message you.. 1) start modest 2) select nokia messaging 3) select mail account 4) select inbox. If it is not UI epic fail, what is? | 05:09 |
| Wild_Doogy | is there a command to drop the frequency to 250Mhz (Heh, can it go even lower?) | 05:09 |
| cehteh | Arkenoi: that too, always 3 taps too much | 05:09 |
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| cehteh | same for the rss reader .. thats the only thing which needs a double tab i found so far | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wild_Doogy, to what end? | 05:10 |
| derf | It's Linux. cd /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wild_Doogy, and, no, that's lowest. | 05:10 |
| Arkenoi | cehteh: i switched to google reader "iphone" web app | 05:10 |
| jacquesdupontd | hi everbody, you're all doin good ? | 05:10 |
| cehteh | Wild_Doogy: why do you want it lower? | 05:10 |
| Arkenoi | it is finger friendly, fast and good | 05:10 |
| Wild_Doogy | oh, just thinking of battery usage | 05:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wild_Doogy, don't. | 05:11 |
| cehteh | that would actually harm battery usage | 05:11 |
| Wild_Doogy | haha | 05:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wild_Doogy, the N900 already follows optimal usage out of the box. | 05:11 |
| cehteh | means less cpu sleeping | 05:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wild_Doogy, race to idle is the concept you're looking for. | 05:11 |
| Wild_Doogy | yeah | 05:11 |
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| Arkenoi | cehteh: http://www.google.com/reader/i | 05:12 |
| Arkenoi | much better than builtin rss reader which is not really hildonized and lacks fullscreen mode | 05:12 |
| Wild_Doogy | ok, so, if you were to "throttle" (I think is the word) the n900 to 250MHz, that would use more battery than just letting whatever program is running finish, and then let the CPU sleep? | 05:13 |
| cehteh | i dont need a rss reader that urgendly and the buildin works for me .. but its just not as good as it could be | 05:13 |
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| Arkenoi | try that link | 05:13 |
| Arkenoi | it is definitely better | 05:13 |
| Arkenoi | ajax-based and finger-oriented | 05:13 |
| cehteh | Wild_Doogy: exactly | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | According to ohlo, I was posting things to the internet before I was born | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | and before the internet existed. | 05:14 |
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| cehteh | Arkenoi: no thanks :P .. i like standalone programs on my computer | 05:14 |
| cehteh | GeneralAntilles: one of my project has -36 lines bash | 05:14 |
| uhsf | is the new firmware worth a flash? | 05:15 |
| cehteh | ah -36 comment lines in autoconf .. that was it | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | cehteh, seems to be an epoch fail. | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | uhsf, why flash, just upgrade? | 05:15 |
| cehteh | http://www.ohloh.net/p/nobug/analyses/latest | 05:15 |
| cehteh | i really wonder how one can get this *that* wrong | 05:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | baaah, bloody bullshit. after the 50th cookie I denied I closed the empty page | 05:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably tries to place 100s of them on my manchine >:( | 05:20 |
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| uhsf | do you always flash to new firmwares? | 05:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | uhsf, er, no? | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | uhsf, you never need to flash new firmwares. | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~ssu | 05:22 |
| infobot | hmm... ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU | 05:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~optification is also http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space | 05:24 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay | 05:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/applications-power-management/race-to-idle.php Wild_Doogy | 05:27 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 05:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oh? | 05:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | It was mentioned earlier - scrollback problems | 05:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wild_Doogy, except substitute much lower power values for the N900. ;) | 05:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, don't worry, he didn't stumble on the NDA pdf. :P | 05:30 |
| SpeedEvil | naah - it uses 34W at 4GHz | 05:30 |
| SpeedEvil | you just need to submerge it in liquid helium pumped at over 50m/s. | 05:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or a fire extinguisher | 05:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: NDA.pdf? o.O I already instantiated a personality for the schizoid split resulting from signing it, but yet no NDA to sign in my inbox :-) | 05:32 |
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| Wild_Doogy | Thanks for the info guys | 05:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 05:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I dunno how people can do it. | 05:33 |
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| jaywalk | great, my frogpad works again after the new minor version upgrade :) | 05:35 |
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| jaywalk | anyone else who has experience with frogpad and linux? i need to fix the keymap, most keys except for letters are still unmapped | 05:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Damn, only problem with the YouTube HTML5 beta is that videos start playing in the background. | 05:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | They diddn't work at all for me ont he n900 | 05:53 |
| SpeedEvil | are tehy working for you? | 05:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Or did I miss some codecy thing | 05:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, no, OmniWeb | 05:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm being offtopic, sorry. | 05:54 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 05:54 |
| pgrodt | I got mine working. A little laggy at times, but works. | 05:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I wish zoutube would search | 05:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Or at least accept cp URLs | 05:54 |
| pgrodt | agreed | 05:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | zootube? ;-P | 05:55 |
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| andrewfblack | anyone know the files that points lock screen to background file? | 05:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ? | 05:56 |
| jX | when the screen is locked, and you hit the power button, and you get the slide to unlock thing, the background that shows | 05:57 |
| jX | that's what I think he means | 05:57 |
| andrewfblack | thats what i mean | 05:57 |
| jX | I'd love to know that too. | 05:57 |
| jX | it's somewhere in the theme files | 05:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ahh. should be easy to point with strace, or lsof or somesuch | 05:58 |
| andrewfblack | don't think it in theme files | 05:58 |
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| jX | I think it might be because I have the Marina theme and it's black, while with the default theme it's teh water picture | 05:59 |
| andrewfblack | I know where the image is located thats easy I want to know what files tells desktop name of the file | 05:59 |
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| pgrodt | "cd /etc; grep -nIre filename"? | 06:01 |
| pgrodt | "cd /etc; grep -nIre filename *" rather | 06:01 |
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| jebba900 | "Unable to receive or store new messages. Device storage full". What causes that? I have plenty of free space and partitions are rw. | 06:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 06:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | SIM filed? | 06:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | filled | 06:05 |
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| ceh900 | oops | 06:05 |
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| jebba900 | SIM? hmm. Why would it even store there? | 06:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | depending on the reception mode for SMS it may take enough space to temporarily sore it to SIM | 06:05 |
| jebba900 | well, this is just IMs (jabber) | 06:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | ohh, no idea then | 06:07 |
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| jebba900 | know how to check SIM space? | 06:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a few AT commands to do that | 06:08 |
| jX | that'd be handy... | 06:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno of any better way in maemo, tough there probably should be | 06:08 |
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| pgrodt | jebba: I had this problem...then I fixed it...can't remotely remember how... | 06:09 |
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| cehteh | ok .. i can crash xchat .. so far so good :P .. good night | 06:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Nioght. | 06:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: lol! night | 06:10 |
| pgrodt | IIRC, the ofono interface has functions to dump the SIM contents; but I don't know of any friendly app that calls it. Would be nice though. | 06:12 |
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| jebba900 | some dbus-send no doubt | 06:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | U bet | 06:13 |
| andrewfblack | is the lock screen basiclly an application that loads when screen is locked? or it is part of desktop | 06:13 |
| SpeedEvil | login over ssh | 06:14 |
| SpeedEvil | lock it | 06:14 |
| SpeedEvil | htop | 06:14 |
| SpeedEvil | play with the slider | 06:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 06:15 |
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| Jef91 | does java run at all on the n900. | 06:15 |
| Jef91 | ? | 06:15 |
| andrewfblack | no | 06:18 |
| pronto | does anyone know if theres a way to share photos via ftp directly to my own server, http://store.ovi.com/content/24015?clickSource=search like that but with out the pixel pipe middle man? | 06:18 |
| ptl | is there a gps program for N900 that makes use of google maps? | 06:19 |
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| ptl | is that a no? | 06:21 |
| breakd0wn | havent tried, but maemaps | 06:21 |
| breakd0wn | http://www.tomch.com/maemaps.html | 06:21 |
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| Wild_Doogy | can I add a reboot button the the menu when I press the power button? Currently there is only "phone" there. | 06:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 06:22 |
| ptl | yeah, but maemaps is a webpage | 06:22 |
| ptl | not an application | 06:22 |
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| Wild_Doogy | I add it to systemui.xml? I found a guide, but it puts it in the menu accessed by clicking the notification area. | 06:25 |
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| breakd0wn | doesnt seem to work anyway | 06:27 |
| breakd0wn | would be nice if nokia gave us a little update to ovi map | 06:28 |
| ptl | is the 50-times reboot bug still present in PR 1.1.1? | 06:28 |
| Wild_Doogy | what happens after 50 reboots? | 06:29 |
| ptl | the device bricks | 06:29 |
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| Wild_Doogy | oh? | 06:29 |
| Wild_Doogy | heh | 06:30 |
| Wild_Doogy | -starts counting reboots from memory- | 06:30 |
| Wild_Doogy | lol | 06:30 |
| ptl | in the terminal, type that: cat /var/lib/dsme/boot_count | 06:32 |
| Wild_Doogy | 33 >_> | 06:33 |
| ptl | Wild_Doogy: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6350 | 06:33 |
| povbot` | Bug 6350: getbootstate bricks the device after 17 reboots if there are no normal boots in between them | 06:33 |
| ptl | Status: CLOSED | 06:33 |
| ptl | Resolution: FIXED | 06:33 |
| Wild_Doogy | oh good | 06:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm still 13 here | 06:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | so if that's closed/fixed thenobviously not by restting the counter | 06:34 |
| Wild_Doogy | how do I find my firmware version? | 06:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | sttings - product info? | 06:35 |
| Wild_Doogy | oh | 06:35 |
| Wild_Doogy | 1.2009.44.1.002 | 06:37 |
| Wild_Doogy | should I reset the counter :-D | 06:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you should update | 06:37 |
| Wild_Doogy | I cant get the latest update till I get a sim card | 06:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | huh? | 06:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | no WLAN? | 06:38 |
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| Wild_Doogy | when I try the update, it wants me to do it via the computer, someone said it was becase I had a package conflict | 06:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds strange to me | 06:39 |
| Wild_Doogy | (the windows updater wants a sim card for some reason) | 06:39 |
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| Wild_Doogy | ok, I am going to try a backup, sudo apt-get uninstall *, and see if the update works | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | sound like a plan | 06:42 |
| Wild_Doogy | lol, dont need sudo, Ubuntu habits carrying over | 06:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah you'll need 'root' | 06:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | or 'sudo gainroot' | 06:43 |
| Wild_Doogy | yup, and its remove not uninstall | 06:43 |
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| ptl | apt-get remove * ? what for? | 06:46 |
| ptl | you want to brick the device? | 06:46 |
| ptl | anyway | 06:46 |
| Wild_Doogy | hmmm, | 06:47 |
| ptl | using * without quotes does not work, because it expands to the files in the directory | 06:47 |
| ptl | command-line usage | 06:47 |
| ptl | if you really want it to remove all packages... Which I doubt it would do... try apt-get --purge remove '*' | 06:47 |
| Dante_1 | Just a comment. Merging Maemo & Moblin is potentially a great idea. Meego is a really stupid name. Who's responsible??? | 06:47 |
| ptl | with single quotes | 06:47 |
| Wild_Doogy | yeah, I noticed that | 06:47 |
| Wild_Doogy | thanks | 06:47 |
| ptl | Dante_1: subscribe to the lists at meego.com | 06:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dante_1, Intel and Nokia's combined legal teams. | 06:48 |
| ptl | Dante_1: and take part of the flamewar that is rolling. ;) | 06:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flame on! | 06:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | megooo | 06:48 |
| Wild_Doogy | I need to remove all my aps that i installed, so I can try updating | 06:48 |
| Dante_1 | sorry, didn't mean to flame, just as a very happy Maemo user, I think our future should have a more worthy name. Just my opinion | 06:49 |
| Wild_Doogy | -dons asbestos suit - | 06:49 |
| Wild_Doogy | -takes it back off- | 06:50 |
| Wild_Doogy | lol | 06:50 |
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| ptl | Wild_Doogy: better go through the application manager, that doesn't list base packages to be uninstalled | 06:50 |
| ptl | if you do it via apt-get it will try to uninstall base packages too | 06:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 06:50 |
| Wild_Doogy | had a feeling that would happen | 06:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | that'll really hurt | 06:50 |
| Wild_Doogy | ......... | 06:50 |
| Wild_Doogy | now to uninstall ~30 apps manualy | 06:51 |
| Wild_Doogy | lol | 06:51 |
| Wild_Doogy | any way to only remove the ones in the app manager? | 06:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | use app manager ;-P | 06:52 |
| Wild_Doogy | ugh | 06:52 |
| Wild_Doogy | right-ho | 06:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | a PITA but anyway... | 06:53 |
| Wild_Doogy | and watch the rootfs gain space :-D | 06:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | see: ~optification | 06:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~optification | 06:53 |
| infobot | hmm... optification is a botch to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space | 06:53 |
| Dante_1 | Ciao for now. In my most Earnest opinion, Maemo is the spiritual successor to Newton OS, which from me is high praise indeed. We just need to store more data in databases. Cheers! | 06:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | updates frequently need ~50MB of / | 06:54 |
| Dante_1 | Open DB's of course. | 06:55 |
| Wild_Doogy | and for some reason, my N900 wants me to update via the computer | 06:55 |
| Wild_Doogy | and then the updater wants a sim card | 06:55 |
| jX | wild: I had that | 06:55 |
| jX | simple solution | 06:55 |
| jX | there's a conflicting package somewhere | 06:55 |
| Wild_Doogy | fix? | 06:55 |
| jX | in my case it was ioquake | 06:55 |
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| Wild_Doogy | thanks | 06:55 |
| Wild_Doogy | dont have quake | 06:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~optification | 06:56 |
| infobot | optification is probably a botch to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space | 06:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ---> io3quake | 06:56 |
| Wild_Doogy | going for a massive uninstall | 06:56 |
| Wild_Doogy | lol | 06:56 |
| jX | what apps | 06:56 |
| jX | maybe I'll recognize one | 06:56 |
| ali1234 | i heard it wasn't ioquake, but the GLES libs that it depends on | 06:57 |
| Wild_Doogy | uh, lots.... really want the list? | 06:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | The ioquake3 application prevents firmware upgrading no matter how much free space you have on your device. Uninstall it prior to upgrading then reinstall once the upgrade is complete. | 06:57 |
| Wild_Doogy | lol | 06:57 |
| Wild_Doogy | oh, booger flacking, I have like 40 | 06:57 |
| Wild_Doogy | this is going to take forever | 06:57 |
| ali1234 | so you might have those for some other reason | 06:57 |
| Wild_Doogy | lol | 06:57 |
| Wild_Doogy | goodbye aircrack-ng | 06:58 |
| Wild_Doogy | :'-( | 06:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | buggy shit | 06:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | purged aircrack yesterday | 06:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | check out python optification | 06:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a HOOOG | 06:59 |
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| Wild_Doogy | airodump is the best way I have found for searching for wirless signals. dont give you as much info | 06:59 |
| Wild_Doogy | lol | 07:00 |
| Wild_Doogy | Python? -want- | 07:00 |
| Wild_Doogy | "oh wait, I am uninstalling everything...." | 07:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | with 40 apps? I bet you already got | 07:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it's eating some x tens of MC from your root | 07:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | MB even | 07:01 |
| Wild_Doogy | its more like 60..... | 07:01 |
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| Wild_Doogy | and I still had 255 on root fs | 07:02 |
| Wild_Doogy | 25% | 07:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're studying the free_up_rootfs wikipage right this moment, are you?? | 07:02 |
| Wild_Doogy | no I am uninstalling everythinglol | 07:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | uninstall apt, to start with a funny part! :-P | 07:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooh wait, unsinstall busybox first | 07:05 |
| Wild_Doogy | uh, how about not? | 07:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 07:05 |
| Wild_Doogy | there has to be a better way......... | 07:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | Wild_Doogy: NO don't do that!!! | 07:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | just kidding | 07:06 |
| Wild_Doogy | this thing reloads the database between each uninstall | 07:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 07:06 |
| Wild_Doogy | I do have some linux sence | 07:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | told ya it's a PITA | 07:07 |
| Wild_Doogy | I knew it was going to be a PITA | 07:07 |
| Wild_Doogy | all my aps are < 100k too | 07:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, that's just a lie | 07:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | check out liqtorch e.g | 07:08 |
| Wild_Doogy | its like shooting ants with a breach loading cannon | 07:08 |
| Wild_Doogy | *most | 07:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it has deps on libliq which is some MB | 07:08 |
| Wild_Doogy | liqtorch? | 07:08 |
| Wild_Doogy | yay, I think its getting faster | 07:09 |
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| Wild_Doogy | hmmmm | 07:11 |
| Wild_Doogy | I should apply my first backup.... | 07:11 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders when first app with dependencies to libboost will appear XP | 07:11 | |
| Wild_Doogy | that will uninstall yes? | 07:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't think so | 07:11 |
| Wild_Doogy | dang | 07:11 |
| Wild_Doogy | anyone know if you can use Delmore basemap data in maemomapper? | 07:12 |
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| Wild_Doogy | any Open office app on the horizon? | 07:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably really hard to hildonize OOO | 07:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe first port KDE for desktop? then OOo is a lot easier :-D | 07:25 |
| Wild_Doogy | my n900 is nice and toasty | 07:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | toasty o.O | 07:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | for me please a rare-medium one | 07:26 |
| Wild_Doogy | probably ~110 (F) | 07:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~convert 110F | 07:27 |
| Wild_Doogy | working on it | 07:27 |
| Wild_Doogy | 43 C | 07:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah infobot resigned | 07:28 |
| Wild_Doogy | oh, there is bot for that? | 07:28 |
| Wild_Doogy | sweet | 07:28 |
| Wild_Doogy | (well was) | 07:28 |
| Wild_Doogy | woah, thats one hefty ai. (Pming infobot) | 07:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn | 07:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2010-02-18 06:30:50] *** Adresse des Kanals: http://maemo.org | 07:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-02-18 06:31:45] *** Kanalmodi: +cnt | 07:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | watch the timestamp! freenode is laggy | 07:32 |
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| Wild_Doogy | ~where is england? | 07:36 |
| infobot | somebody said england was Harry-Potter-Land | 07:36 |
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| Wild_Doogy | lol | 07:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Wild_Doogy: you told you got 2009-44 ? | 07:41 |
| Wild_Doogy | yes | 07:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, forget it | 07:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | you missed Pr1.1 | 07:42 |
| Wild_Doogy | ....? | 07:42 |
| Wild_Doogy | lol | 07:42 |
| Wild_Doogy | haha | 07:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting | 07:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | apply accordingly | 07:42 |
| Wild_Doogy | I just finished uninstalling all my apps | 07:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | If you're in the first case, there's nothing to do but to reflash, sorry :-(. You've missed the intermediate step towards PR1.1 from PR1.0 and your device won't be able to guarantee you a proper OTA update without the needed preconditions fulfilled. | 07:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | same will hold true for Pr1.1->Pr1.1.1 most likely | 07:43 |
| Wild_Doogy | sould I not try to install the latest maemo update then? | 07:43 |
| Wild_Doogy | 3.2010 | 07:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E you can't update OTA Pr1.0.1->Pr1.1.1 | 07:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can try | 07:44 |
| Wild_Doogy | its downloading .... I think | 07:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | but you'll get same msg from that attempt | 07:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | so *if* that'll pan out, you should add a notice to wikipage | 07:45 |
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| tigert | morning | 07:47 |
| Wild_Doogy | well, it got farther than last time, it seems as though its having trouble downloading though | 07:47 |
| Wild_Doogy | morning | 07:47 |
| Wild_Doogy | Yikes? its morning? | 07:48 |
| Wild_Doogy | lol | 07:48 |
| Wild_Doogy | time for bed | 07:48 |
| tigert | in irc its always morning | 07:48 |
| Wild_Doogy | yay, I see a sliver on the download bar | 07:48 |
| Wild_Doogy | yeah | 07:48 |
| Wild_Doogy | but here its only morning for a few coffee infested hours | 07:49 |
| tigert | ~ugt | 07:50 |
| infobot | it has been said that ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 07:50 |
| tigert | =) | 07:50 |
| Wild_Doogy | morning | 07:51 |
| Wild_Doogy | :-D | 07:51 |
| Wild_Doogy | I am having a blast talking with Infobot | 07:51 |
| Wild_Doogy | hahaha | 07:51 |
| Wild_Doogy | Amazing piece of software | 07:52 |
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| tigert | yeah | 07:53 |
| microlith | low battery N900s make such a sad, pathetic sound :/ | 07:53 |
| * microlith plugs it in | 07:53 | |
| tigert | see, it worked ;) | 07:57 |
| Wild_Doogy | haha | 07:57 |
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| asj | sadly it makes the soiund so often | 07:58 |
| Wild_Doogy | >_> | 07:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Wild_Doogy: I just remember I noticed a short "operation failed" notice when updating. Was too short to start me ranting :-P | 08:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | after several minutes and reboots it finaly told me "update successful" | 08:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | AUITOreboots | 08:03 |
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| Wild_Doogy | well its 50% through the DL | 08:05 |
| Wild_Doogy | (Slow DLS in Vermont) | 08:05 |
| Wild_Doogy | ~Vermont | 08:05 |
| infobot | hmm... vermont is in the northeast of the USA, near Canada | 08:05 |
| Wild_Doogy | DSL* | 08:05 |
| tank-man | "near canada" i like that modifier lol | 08:06 |
| Wild_Doogy | haha | 08:06 |
| RST38h | ~Canada | 08:09 |
| infobot | somebody said canada was The 2nd largest land mass, the 1st nation of Hockey and the best part of North America! | 08:09 |
| Wild_Doogy | haha | 08:09 |
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| Wild_Doogy | lol: | 08:10 |
| Wild_Doogy | ~USA | 08:10 |
| infobot | usa is probably a place where the meaning of life is to sue people -- and win. | 08:10 |
| Wild_Doogy | (not mine) | 08:10 |
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| ptl | ~n900 | 08:12 |
| infobot | n900 is, like, a wooden box with stained cans inside | 08:12 |
| ptl | ~nokia | 08:12 |
| infobot | [nokia] a cellphone company from Finland. | 08:12 |
| ptl | ~infobot | 08:12 |
| infobot | i guess infobot is The coolest | 08:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you're aware you also can open a private /query to infobot? | 08:12 |
| Wild_Doogy | are you teaching him bad habits? | 08:13 |
| Wild_Doogy | lol | 08:13 |
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| ponyofdeath | hi, guys any of you in the us ported your numbers from att to t-mobile and know how long it took? | 08:14 |
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| * RST38h finds another inconvinience of this meego thing: now have to monitor two irc channels and two websites | 08:16 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's been my major objective from minute 1 ;-P | 08:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it has even more serious implications, as devels may tend to jump on meego and ignore maemo | 08:18 |
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| RST38h | There is no meego yet | 08:19 |
| RST38h | When there is meego I will see :) | 08:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and until some nokia lizard promises either meego on N900 or meego apps on maemo, I feel quite unhappy with the situation | 08:20 |
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| RST38h | Not the first time though | 08:22 |
| Wild_Doogy | Hey, my N900 seems to be updating | 08:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | finally! hey :-D | 08:22 |
| Wild_Doogy | ~15% done | 08:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | get anoher cup of coffe then :-) | 08:23 |
| SpeedEvil | and a baseball bat. | 08:23 |
| Wild_Doogy | I hate coffee >_< | 08:23 |
| Wild_Doogy | lol | 08:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehehehe | 08:23 |
| Wild_Doogy | and baseball | 08:23 |
| SpeedEvil | You don't have to love baseball to have an appreciation for the use of the bat. | 08:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Much like you don't need to like snooker to fight zombies. | 08:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought that's called lart (Lusers' Attitude Recalibration Tool) | 08:24 |
| Wild_Doogy | I have brothers for that <_< | 08:24 |
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| Milo- | hey, any way of making bigger buttons in Qt4? currently if I make a large button, it will look aweful because it repeats the 'texture' | 08:25 |
| Wild_Doogy | Larger texture? | 08:25 |
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| Milo- | yes but that's defined in theme | 08:26 |
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| Milo- | looks nice on my pc but on phone the button seems to be repeating the pattern (it's a default button look for both machines) | 08:29 |
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| Wild_Doogy | hmmm | 08:30 |
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| Wild_Doogy | 99% on the update | 08:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meanwhile you could even get acustomed to coffee | 08:34 |
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| Milo- | yes | 08:35 |
| Milo- | coffee is good for you | 08:35 |
| Wild_Doogy | reboot compete | 08:36 |
| Milo- | my screenshot location is missing :( | 08:36 |
| Milo- | can't find it from cli | 08:36 |
| Wild_Doogy | lol I like that message: "operating system successfully updated " | 08:37 |
| Milo- | yeah it will probably tell you: "updating operating system failed, buy a new phone" when it fails | 08:37 |
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| Wild_Doogy | hahaha | 08:39 |
| Wild_Doogy | yeah | 08:39 |
| Wild_Doogy | I wish the latest conky was availible | 08:39 |
| Wild_Doogy | its the best ever | 08:39 |
| Wild_Doogy | ~conky | 08:39 |
| Milo- | http://u.meelo.org/Screenshot-20100218-083200.png those buttons which I have there are actually one component | 08:40 |
| Milo- | I can't figure out how to make them look like one as well | 08:41 |
| Wild_Doogy | oh, ouch | 08:41 |
| Wild_Doogy | hmmmm | 08:42 |
| Milo- | big buttons are crucial part of the app.. | 08:42 |
| Milo- | but now I seem to be limited to the size of maemo5's qt theme's texture | 08:42 |
| Wild_Doogy | I remember large buttons in GPS Jinny | 08:42 |
| Wild_Doogy | might have a look at thier source | 08:43 |
| MiXu- | You've messed up the stylesheet somehow, is my guess. | 08:43 |
| MiXu- | Because if you use the UI Designer of Qt Creator, the buttons will scale correctly on Maemo. | 08:43 |
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| MiXu- | anyone tried Navit on N900? | 08:46 |
| Wild_Doogy | Well, I am off to bed, its late | 08:47 |
| Wild_Doogy | ~UGT | 08:47 |
| infobot | ugt is probably Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 08:47 |
| Milo- | MiXu- using default stylesheet | 08:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~shutup | 08:49 |
| infobot | yes master, I'll STFU | 08:49 |
| MiXu- | Milo-: Hmm. That's odd. | 08:52 |
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| Milo- | MiXu- had to set my own background-color or gradient | 08:53 |
| Milo- | works now :) | 08:53 |
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| MiXu- | alright | 08:54 |
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| tybollt | ~obey | 08:54 |
| infobot | yes master | 08:54 |
| MiXu- | There's also #qt-maemo if you're interested. | 08:54 |
| tybollt | when hildon -> qt, sure I'll go there | 08:54 |
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| sejo | for python development on the maemo is there a documentation somewhere (I prefer to use pyQt4) | 09:28 |
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| tybollt | ~hello | 10:08 |
| infobot | Howdy Bub | 10:08 |
| tybollt | ~ping | 10:08 |
| infobot | ~pong | 10:08 |
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| jaem | sad... just... sad ;) | 10:10 |
| * jaem waves at tybollt | 10:10 | |
| crashanddie_ | what is? | 10:10 |
| jaem | crashanddie_, I was commenting on the fact that the channel was dead enough for people to be talking to the bot | 10:10 |
| jaem | heh | 10:10 |
| crashanddie_ | hehe | 10:10 |
| crashanddie_ | ~but we like talking to the bot | 10:10 |
| crashanddie_ | :( doesn't even reply to me | 10:11 |
| crashanddie_ | ~idiot | 10:11 |
| infobot | well, idiot is you | 10:11 |
| crashanddie_ | ~shut up | 10:11 |
| infobot | yes, master crashanddie_ | 10:11 |
| crashanddie_ | ~thanks | 10:11 |
| infobot | crashanddie_: gern geschehen | 10:11 |
| crashanddie_ | ~don't say that | 10:11 |
| crashanddie_ | ~bot? | 10:11 |
| tybollt | ~troll | 10:11 |
| infobot | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). | 10:11 |
| infobot | [troll] a race on some muds; a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/troll.html | 10:11 |
| tybollt | heh | 10:12 |
| crashanddie_ | ~cool | 10:12 |
| tybollt | employees of trolltech | 10:12 |
| infobot | cool is, like, there, there, everything is going to fix out | 10:12 |
| tybollt | poor bastards :) | 10:12 |
| jaem | haha | 10:12 |
| wazd | hello all | 10:12 |
| jaem | the troll entry is pretty comprehensive | 10:12 |
| crashanddie_ | tybollt: they're actually called QT Trolls | 10:12 |
| tybollt | heh :) | 10:12 |
| jaem | crashanddie_, Qt, not QT - QT is different, and full of fail ;) | 10:12 |
| crashanddie_ | meh same thing | 10:13 |
| jaem | crashanddie_, QuickTime != Qt | 10:13 |
| crashanddie_ | but yes, agreed, capitalisation is the difference between "I helped my uncle Jack off a horse" and "I helped my uncle jack off a horse" | 10:13 |
| jaem | very true | 10:13 |
| jaem | did you make that mistake? | 10:13 |
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| crashanddie_ | nope, I made the mistake to think the letters t and g are far away on the keyboard | 10:14 |
| jaem | also, that precise example may not be wrong, depending on context - but let's not go there | 10:14 |
| jaem | ah | 10:14 |
| crashanddie_ | very painful, when you're just wrapping up a motivational email to your team, and you end with "Thanks, regards!" | 10:14 |
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| crashanddie_ | at least, that's what I was aiming for... | 10:14 |
| jaem | bwahahaha | 10:14 |
| jaem | did you do that? | 10:14 |
| tybollt | uhm | 10:14 |
| tybollt | I think the problem is when you're sending a motivation email at all | 10:15 |
| crashanddie_ | jaem: more than you'd think | 10:15 |
| tybollt | Shouldn't a manager be sending mails of the "GET TO WORK, YOU LOUSY PIECE OF STINKY POO" or something? :) | 10:15 |
| tybollt | kind* | 10:15 |
| crashanddie_ | tybollt: well, I like my people | 10:16 |
| jaem | tybollt, if you work for Despair, Inc., maybe | 10:16 |
| crashanddie_ | tybollt: and I only have a couple, so it wouldn't make a lot of sense to shout at them | 10:16 |
| jaem | or someone who subscribes to their philosophy | 10:16 |
| tybollt | :) | 10:16 |
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| crashanddie_ | MWKN interface is shaping up very, very nicely! | 10:17 |
| crashanddie_ | pumping in quite a lot of jquery goodness in it | 10:17 |
| eeexception | Hi, all! I'm trying to build deb package of my qt-project and have some troubles with this. | 10:17 |
| crashanddie_ | anyway, going to grab a pizza, talk later | 10:18 |
| tybollt | damit :( | 10:18 |
| tybollt | it's just afte nine in the am and you induce pizza cravings | 10:18 |
| tybollt | this will be a painfull lead up to lunch :-S | 10:18 |
| crashanddie_ | tybollt: it's just after 6PM here :P | 10:18 |
| tybollt | ;) | 10:18 |
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| milos_ | is there an easy way to make /home bigger? | 10:24 |
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| jaem | milos_, add an extra room? | 10:25 |
| jaem | oh, you mean the partition | 10:25 |
| milos_ | yes | 10:25 |
| jaem | heh | 10:25 |
| jaem | ;) | 10:25 |
| milos_ | partition | 10:25 |
| |R | :P | 10:25 |
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| |R | there is a repartitionning guide somewhere in the wiki or forum | 10:26 |
| jaem | well, yes, there are partitioning guides on the forum/wiki/Internets, but I think they're mostly of the "not for the faint of heart" people | 10:26 |
| jaem | I haven't looked into it myself, but it's certainly doable | 10:26 |
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| milos_ | ok. one more question, can applications be installed to mc? | 10:28 |
| jaem | milos_, mc==memory card? | 10:28 |
| milos_ | yes | 10:28 |
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| jaem | well, by default most stuff is installed to /opt, which is symlinked into /home | 10:29 |
| jaem | so yes in that sense | 10:29 |
| milos_ | and opt is in memory card | 10:29 |
| jaem | milos_, the internal card | 10:30 |
| jaem | sorry, my mistake | 10:30 |
| milos_ | ahem | 10:30 |
| jaem | if you mean the microSD, then, yes, you could move and re-symlink things to there, I guess | 10:30 |
| milos_ | ok | 10:30 |
| jaem | I'm not sure if there's anything you'd need to do aside from move it | 10:30 |
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| jaem | I doubt it | 10:30 |
| jaem | although I'd ask around before trying that, just so you don't trash things | 10:30 |
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| flipouk | jaem: I wouldn't do that... | 10:36 |
| flipouk | The external SD card is likely to be FAT formated | 10:36 |
| jaem | flipouk, I wasn't saying it was a good idea - I just said it was possible | 10:36 |
| jaem | and yes, I should have mentioned that you'd need to reformat it | 10:36 |
| jaem | my bad | 10:36 |
| milos_ | yeah, I know that :) | 10:37 |
| flipouk | ok | 10:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: ? | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: ? | 10:53 |
| timeless_mbp | the guys running l10n are idiots | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | which one of them? :P | 10:53 |
| timeless_mbp | should i not answer that to protect the guilty? | 10:53 |
| timeless_mbp | please see /query | 10:54 |
| tybollt | nonono Timless | 10:54 |
| tybollt | timeless | 10:54 |
| tybollt | we want to be in on this - don't cut us out of the loop =) | 10:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | tybollt: welcome aboard. ship is sailing in 1min | 10:55 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:09 |
| jaem | if I'm doing a trunk build of Qt (e.g. >4.6.2), is there any sane way to install it alongside the one from Extras-devel? | 11:11 |
| jaem | I'm just going to untar it somewheres for the moment, if I can | 11:11 |
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| El_Angelo | what do i google for if i want my n900 to serve as hotspot? | 11:15 |
| jaem | El_Angelo, "N900 hotspot"? | 11:15 |
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| jaem | no, but seriously, I don't know off-hand the links, but I think there's something on the maemo.org wiki | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | El_Angelo: joikuspot? | 11:16 |
| vesa | joikuspot works | 11:17 |
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| FKman | Hello all. Is there anybody, who can help me with setting MfE on N900 with Exchange 2007 (non-provisioning i have set) | 11:24 |
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| FKman | I have our certificate installed in certification manager, but when i try to synchronize, i got error "Error comunication with Exchange" | 11:27 |
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| El_Angelo | no jmoikuspo in repo | 11:30 |
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| mece | aaahaha from tmo: qgil "Excuse me guys: what are you talking about?" It's another fun day of FUD at tmo :D | 11:30 |
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| jaem | mece, I don't even *want* to know, do I? | 11:31 |
| jaem | lol | 11:31 |
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| hrw | morning | 11:32 |
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| mece | jaem, just regular fud, nothing special. Albeit some have been particularly ludicrous this morning. | 11:33 |
| mece | jaem, for example http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=533873 | 11:33 |
| jaem | mece, worse than the "Nokia should recall and incoherent blather free stuff blather blather" post? | 11:33 |
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| mece | jaem, that's the one I meant | 11:34 |
| jaem | that one was ludicrous almost to the point of being surreal | 11:34 |
| jaem | it was actually almost worth my time reading a few posts of | 11:34 |
| jaem | almost | 11:34 |
| jaem | I still have no idea what the OP was trying to say | 11:34 |
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| mece | jaem, As I said in my post, it was like fark.com. | 11:36 |
| mece | Anyway, here's a pretty good post about the meego thing by Jim Zemlin of the linux foundation: http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/158-jim-zemlin/286723-bringing-the-magic-to-linux-with-meego- | 11:37 |
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| Shrik3 | I'm up for some free (paid by employer) Maemo+Qt training, anyone know how well that will translate to MeeGo? | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | quite | 11:48 |
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| mece | Shrik3, it will. :) | 11:50 |
| Shrik3 | awesome | 11:50 |
| lcuk | mornin maemo \o | 11:51 |
| mece | Shrik3, That's the whole point of Qt, isn't it. | 11:51 |
| mece | lcuk, 'sup? | 11:51 |
| lcuk | just waving :D | 11:51 |
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| Shrik3 | mece: with nokia, one never knows =) | 11:51 |
| frals | mornin lcuk o/ | 11:51 |
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| tybollt | btw | 11:52 |
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| RST38h | moo lcuk | 11:52 |
| tybollt | are there any specilations as to what 1.2 will contain? | 11:52 |
| crashanddie_ | yo lcuk | 11:52 |
| tybollt | speculation | 11:52 |
| mece | tybollt, haven't seen any. | 11:52 |
| RST38h | tybollt: was that a rhetorical question? | 11:52 |
| tybollt | RST38h: meh | 11:53 |
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| RST38h | OMG PR1.1.1 seemingly killed load-applet, for good | 11:53 |
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| lcuk | hey crashanddie_ have you unblocked matthew- yet? | 11:55 |
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| KnightStalker | !maemo | 11:56 |
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| jaem | yay! I just made sbox dump core | 11:56 |
| jaem | woohoo! | 11:56 |
| jaem | that would be my cue to get some sleep | 11:56 |
| jaem | 'night, #maemo | 11:56 |
| thresh | morning | 11:57 |
| RST38h | mourning thresh | 11:57 |
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| jaem | RST38h, what? thresh isn't dead yet | 11:57 |
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| jaem | ...presumably | 11:57 |
| thresh | i think so too | 11:58 |
| jaem | thresh, what do you know? you're dead! :) | 11:58 |
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| RST38h | jaem <-- taking things a bit too literally =) | 11:59 |
| jaem | RST38h, who? me?! | 11:59 |
| jaem | -grin- | 11:59 |
| jaem | *yawn* | 11:59 |
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| crashanddie_ | lcuk: think so, did it as I was talking to him | 12:00 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk: so yeah, did it this morning | 12:00 |
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| tybollt | just give the kid a good spank on the bottom and let him off ;) | 12:01 |
| lcuk | tybollt, wouldv been easier to just allow him to say his peace | 12:02 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: the guy's not a troll, he just needs to learn how to talk to people and how to expose his points | 12:04 |
| crashanddie | he has valid points, he just exposes them as bloody flamebait | 12:04 |
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| lcuk | and you pasting one side of a conversation whilst he is banned is not flamebait? | 12:05 |
| crashanddie | erhm, no, considering the rest of the conversation wasn't relevant | 12:05 |
| * asj_ waves | 12:05 | |
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| crashanddie | though I'm pretty sure you've got a pastebin with the full conversation ready anyway | 12:06 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: did he at least give you the full convo afterwards? | 12:08 |
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| lcuk | no seb, he was banned - how could he talk to any of us, we only heard your pasting it | 12:09 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: oh feck off, someone was telling him everything that was happening in the channel | 12:09 |
| pajp | Is the device lock code store somewhere readable? I was thinking about using it as a passphrase for some encrypted partitions.. so even a one-way hash of it would be useful | 12:10 |
| pajp | s/store/stored/ | 12:10 |
| infobot | pajp meant: Is the device lock code stored somewhere readable? I was thinking about using it as a passphrase for some encrypted partitions.. so even a one-way hash of it would be useful | 12:10 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, 580 people here | 12:11 |
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| aep | hey. anyone seem any app for a camera timer? | 12:13 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | morn lardman | 12:20 |
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| tybollt | uhm | 12:20 |
| tybollt | is fm radio not built in | 12:20 |
| lardman | hi Stskeeps | 12:20 |
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| mece | whoa, This is depressing: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44928 | 12:21 |
| * w00t clicks | 12:21 | |
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| mece | "SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras" | 12:21 |
| tybollt | you know that was bound to happen sooner or later mece | 12:23 |
| tybollt | you can't really be surprised... | 12:23 |
| lardman | need a time lag as well as votes | 12:23 |
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| mece | tybollt, naturally, but seeing as this was two of the first commercial games, it's very depressing. | 12:23 |
| mece | lardman, it didn't get to extras, no worries. | 12:23 |
| lardman | and possibly a "this is about to be promoted", last chance to check | 12:23 |
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| lardman | mece: -testing then? | 12:24 |
| mece | lardman, isn't it? | 12:24 |
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| tybollt | mece: oh comercial, hmm yeah that makes it a bit worse, you've a point there. | 12:24 |
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| melmoth | Pffffft, n900 does not see the update. _again_ | 12:24 |
| melmoth | did not see it for last one, i had to reflash. | 12:24 |
| mece | tybollt, I saw that this was a person not familiar with open source community, and many people tried to help him out. | 12:25 |
| melmoth | never had this problem with the n810. | 12:25 |
| mece | tybollt, he came off as a bit of a douche. He sent me some private messages asking how to submit stuff to extras, so I pointed him in the right direction. | 12:25 |
| mece | the thing that sucks is that this is a lose lose situation. We want the games, he want's to sell the games. | 12:26 |
| mece | but now he gets busted for this, and I'm guessing we wont see him around anymore. | 12:26 |
| tybollt | what kind of game is it? | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | mece: or he apologizes, gets pulled from extras, things get fixed, things get QA'ed, corrected | 12:27 |
| tybollt | Stskeeps++ | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | and a valuable lesson is learnt on both sides. | 12:27 |
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| * tybollt think stskeeps has a future career as mediator >:) | 12:29 | |
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| mece | Stskeeps, I really really hope so. | 12:30 |
| mece | Stskeeps, which lesson is learned on the maemo side btw? | 12:30 |
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| Stskeeps | mece: we need procedures for this stuff and QA isn't for fun, it is about quality of our extras | 12:31 |
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| Stskeeps | so we need to watch what we let in and what is allowed in policy | 12:31 |
| mece | Stskeeps, well we have that, and do that afaict | 12:32 |
| X-Fade | Anyone against pulling everything from SIO2interactive? | 12:32 |
| X-Fade | And banning them from Extras? | 12:32 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: i think pulling from extras is a better choice, fix bug, let guy apologize immensely and get it through -real- QA. | 12:32 |
| lcuk | hang on | 12:32 |
| mece | X-Fade, I'm not against it. Some communication would be nice though. | 12:32 |
| lcuk | can 1 person login | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | even though this is low on their behalf | 12:33 |
| lcuk | to all those accounts with 1 second between | 12:33 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Registering 10 accounts to vote up is clearly mean spirited. | 12:33 |
| lcuk | or is this team members being supportive of their app | 12:33 |
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| mece | X-Fade, I agree with Stskeeps. | 12:33 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: yes, of course | 12:33 |
| jsa_ | Agree with Stskeeps too | 12:33 |
| WZhang | anyone a PHP expert? | 12:33 |
| lcuk | if theres a qa problem agreed | 12:33 |
| mece | WZhang, I've done some php work. Expert I am at nothing. Shoot | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: otoh this is first time we really experience it | 12:34 |
| lcuk | but thats just like us voting up n900 in polls | 12:34 |
| mece | lcuk, polls are not the same tohugh | 12:34 |
| tybollt | X-Fade: don't _just_ pull and ban, do it temporarily and then let them know they can come back when they kneel and kiss your feet, basically. | 12:34 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Yes, it is the reason why I made the voters list public in the first place. | 12:34 |
| mece | s/tohugh/though | 12:34 |
| jaem_away | tybollt, agreed | 12:34 |
| lcuk | it doesnt look suspicious to me, purely cos no1 has ever managed to do anything that quick in the system | 12:34 |
| rom1dep | hello ! could someone just guess why I always have "tahiti" wrotten in my msn status (géolocalized status) | 12:34 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, try it | 12:35 |
| lcuk | logout and in | 12:35 |
| jaem_away | I was wondering when I saw that post | 12:35 |
| jaem_away | rom1dep, you're in tahitit? | 12:35 |
| X-Fade | Check this: http://pastebin.com/d7a73375f | 12:35 |
| jaem_away | tahiti* | 12:35 |
| frals | lcuk: open 10 browser windows? ;-) | 12:35 |
| WZhang | mece: any idea if it is possible to speed this script up: http://paste2.org/p/675500 ? it takes sometimes over 2minutes to find a single file... | 12:35 |
| lcuk | frals, with 10 different cookies | 12:35 |
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| rom1dep | jaem_away: not really, am in Lyon, france | 12:35 |
| tybollt | X-Fade: we believe you... | 12:35 |
| frals | private modethingy in ie/ff should work like that? | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: you (and jeremiah) are in charge of repositories, i agree it's clear abuse | 12:35 |
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| jaem_away | X-Fade, Stskeeps, who is behind this "SIO2Interactive", anyhow? | 12:36 |
| jaem_away | is it an actual company, or just a personal thing with a brand? | 12:36 |
| frals | banning is a tad harsh imo, but it should be pulled as it circumvented the QA process | 12:36 |
| X-Fade | It is an actual company. | 12:36 |
| rom1dep | + xterm + ssh + irssi in a screen session... | 12:36 |
| X-Fade | I revoked their access to Extras and will send a mail. | 12:36 |
| X-Fade | Will pull all packages from extras. | 12:37 |
| tybollt | X-Fade: but we all benefit from being level headed when things get rough... | 12:37 |
| jaem_away | X-Fade, it might not hurt to post something vague publicly, as well | 12:37 |
| X-Fade | tybollt: Yes, I helped them uploadin to Extras. | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: do you mean -devel/-testing as well, btw? | 12:37 |
| X-Fade | tybollt: I'm not against that. | 12:37 |
| jaem_away | I wouldn't recommend denouncing them personally on the news page, but making a point would be good | 12:37 |
| WZhang | mece: usage is dir.php?input - a normal search parameter like "test" works fine, and fast - but a complete search like this.is.a.test-TEST takes forever, sometimes it never completes and the script times out, webserver is IIS 7 on Server 2008 with PHP5 | 12:37 |
| jaem_away | otherwise others will just do the same thing | 12:37 |
| villemv | "shaming" the company will suck | 12:37 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Testing yes, devel I'm not sure. | 12:37 |
| tybollt | X-Fade: Good stuff... | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: alright | 12:37 |
| rom1dep | no idea for tahiti ? ^^ | 12:37 |
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| jaem_away | rom1dep, what does it say when you're in Tahiti? | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | villemv: i think they've given themselves a huge amount of bad publicity right now anyway :) | 12:38 |
| jaem_away | rom1dep, sorry... I should just shut up :P | 12:38 |
| mece | WZhang, sounds more like a regex problem then php problem actually.. | 12:38 |
| jaem_away | Stskeeps, how big did the thread get? | 12:38 |
| jaem_away | i saw it this morning | 12:38 |
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| Stskeeps | jaem_away: 20 posts or so | 12:38 |
| tybollt | jaem_away: gaaah I keep reading your nick as "janeway" ... :-D | 12:38 |
| jaem_away | ah | 12:38 |
| WZhang | mece: well i believe its a PHP Speed problem, as the Directory contains already over 16000 Files | 12:38 |
| villemv | yeah Stskeeps, but turning the flameage up a notch doesn't make the target community appear any more appealing... | 12:39 |
| rom1dep | jaem_away: i hope it says right, for once... but i won't be able to test soon ^^ | 12:39 |
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| mece | WZhang, hmm.. but that wouldn't "text" working fine | 12:39 |
| villemv | possibly they just thought this was a handy "trick" | 12:39 |
| X-Fade | Fwiw, their games had 2700 downloads yesterday. | 12:39 |
| villemv | possibly by individual developer | 12:39 |
| mece | WZhang, "test" I mean | 12:39 |
| WZhang | True | 12:39 |
| jaem_away | villemv, good point | 12:39 |
| WZhang | Search in files works faster than complete name - very strange | 12:40 |
| villemv | we should take this as a sign of emerging commercial success ;-) | 12:40 |
| jaem_away | I still think something should be officially stated, but that the company shouldn't be shamed directly | 12:40 |
| jaem_away | even if it's "alluded" to | 12:40 |
| villemv | when we have viagra desktop widgets appearing randomly, we'll know we've made it | 12:40 |
| mece | WZhang, wait, this quites if it finds 5 hits. I guess it doesn't on the other search option, hence it searches all files instead. | 12:41 |
| jaem_away | villemv, someone just needs to code a widget that pulls from your spam box! | 12:41 |
| jaem_away | ...shouldn't be too hard | 12:41 |
| WZhang | hmm. | 12:41 |
| frals | lol villemv | 12:42 |
| WZhang | i try it out on a Linux Server later, maybe its a General IIS Problem | 12:42 |
| rom1dep | there is written "repérage approximatif" --) "approximative localization" | 12:42 |
| mece | WZhang, does the dir contain a file containing the string "this.is.a.test-TEST" ? | 12:42 |
| WZhang | not for now, but i can create it :P | 12:42 |
| WZhang | Was just an example for a search | 12:43 |
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| mece | WZhang, perhaps there is 5 files starting with "test", and that's why the script succeeds. | 12:43 |
| WZhang | maybe | 12:44 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, how is aus | 12:44 |
| crashanddie | ok | 12:44 |
| WZhang | i Think its the amount of files, i try it on linux with lighty now, maybe that improves the performance | 12:44 |
| crashanddie | better than london is some aspects, worse in others | 12:44 |
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| crashanddie | won't be living here past the time they need me | 12:44 |
| mece | WZhang, I suppose. filehandling in php is perhaps not the most efficient. | 12:45 |
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| lcuk | still in hotel or have you gotten a house | 12:45 |
| crashanddie | still in hotel | 12:45 |
| crashanddie | been in a hotel for 5 months straight now | 12:45 |
| tybollt | ugh | 12:45 |
| crashanddie | well, hotels, not always the same one | 12:45 |
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| tybollt | poor sod, how do you manage? | 12:45 |
| tybollt | must be hell | 12:46 |
| crashanddie | except for roughly 4 weeks in december/january | 12:46 |
| WZhang | mece: i could do it in C# instead, and let it listen on another port than the webserver, a better idea? | 12:46 |
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| crashanddie | tybollt: you manage by not having any costs, and making shitloads of money :) | 12:46 |
| tybollt | I did that summer 2008... it was the worst summer of my life... I was never so bored... | 12:46 |
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| mece | WZhang, it says here: http://php.net/manual/en/function.readdir.php that you're doing it wrong. | 12:46 |
| rom1dep | humm where can i raise a bug against this ? | 12:46 |
| mece | WZhang, look for /* This is the WRONG way to loop over the directory. */ | 12:47 |
| crashanddie | rom1dep: against what? | 12:47 |
| Dialekt | hmmm | 12:47 |
| WZhang | Interesting | 12:47 |
| mece | WZhang, replace ($file = readdir($dir)) with (false !== ($file = readdir($dir))) | 12:48 |
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| rom1dep | crashanddie: /lastlog rom1dep ... i'm said to be lovalized in thaiti while it's not rally the case | 12:48 |
| lardman | hmm, I checked TMO yesterday, already there are >250 new posts | 12:48 |
| mece | WZhang, currently, the program ONLY exits if it gets 5 hits. otherwise it's an infinite loop. | 12:48 |
| rom1dep | localised* damn small kbd | 12:49 |
| crashanddie | rom1dep: I think it's a known bug | 12:49 |
| WZhang | lol, that explains the Server load | 12:49 |
| crashanddie | rom1dep: bugs.maemo.org | 12:49 |
| mece | WZhang, yep.. | 12:49 |
| crashanddie | WZhang: also ##php | 12:50 |
| rom1dep | crashanddie: ok, i'll do some search before of course, thanks | 12:50 |
| crashanddie | WZhang: unless you're running the website off your NIT | 12:50 |
| crashanddie | rom1dep: pas de soucis | 12:50 |
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| WZhang | crashanddie | 12:50 |
| WZhang | soon from my N800 :P | 12:50 |
| mece | LOL | 12:50 |
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| WZhang | will make it burn at 10 Hits at same time lol | 12:50 |
| crashanddie | not really, lighttpd in the time handled it pretty well | 12:51 |
| mece | crashanddie, when someone only types your name like that, it looks like an insult. | 12:51 |
| crashanddie | as long as disk access wasn't a priority | 12:51 |
| crashanddie | mece: story of my life | 12:51 |
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| rom1dep | crashanddie: yeahh, you speak a better french than i speak en ^^ | 12:51 |
| WZhang | i would use nginx, not lighty - seems a better choice | 12:51 |
| thresh | it is indeed | 12:51 |
| crashanddie | rom1dep: en meme temps j'ai vecu 10 ans en france donc bon, ca aide ;) | 12:51 |
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| crashanddie | crap, it makes you feel old when you say "Yeah, I've spent ten years there" | 12:52 |
| rom1dep | crashanddie: ah ouais.. ça peut aider :) bonne journée alors ;) ! | 12:52 |
| crashanddie | rom1dep: nuit pour moi, j'suis en australie | 12:52 |
| crashanddie | bye | 12:52 |
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| rom1dep | crashanddie: australia is a dreaming country for me, on my "todo before 30 years old" list ^^ so, good night ! | 12:54 |
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| lardman | crashanddie: the hot weather getting to you, English man, English! ;) | 12:55 |
| lardman | night night | 12:55 |
| crashanddie | lardman: I haven't had to go to work for the past 3 days because our office is flooded | 12:55 |
| lardman | oh right | 12:55 |
| lardman | storm? | 12:55 |
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| crashanddie | yeah | 12:57 |
| crashanddie | well, like 3x 2 hours of rain | 12:58 |
| crashanddie | and that was that | 12:58 |
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| lardman | ah the wonders of sub-tropica rain :) | 12:58 |
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| lardman | we've just got sub-tropical sleet here | 12:58 |
| lardman | ;) | 12:58 |
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| adalal | anyone knows when video conversations will be available? whether it's on the calls, or video chats on IMs? | 12:58 |
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| geneven | has anyone been able to access extras-devel for days? | 13:00 |
| adalal | i am | 13:00 |
| adalal | right now | 13:00 |
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| mece | geneven, has been working just fine for me. | 13:00 |
| geneven | really, thanks, i,ll reexamine my settings | 13:01 |
| lardman | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8521598.stm | 13:01 |
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| * lardman notes that he should be careful about location sharing | 13:01 | |
| * w00t concurs | 13:02 | |
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| crashanddie | lardman: I'M IN BRISBANE, UPPER EDWARD STREET RIGHT NAO | 13:05 |
| lardman | hmm, just watched video of Win Mob 7, wasn't that exciting really | 13:05 |
| * crashanddie proceeds to read the article | 13:05 | |
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| tybollt | CRIKEY, YOU DON'T SAY THERE, MATEY? | 13:05 |
| lardman | crashanddie: /me jumps on a plane and hopes to get to crashanddie's flat before he gets home | 13:05 |
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| tybollt | <-- asshole | 13:05 |
| inz | everyone has one | 13:05 |
| mece | inx, a tybollt? | 13:06 |
| mece | inz even.. | 13:06 |
| lardman | yeah, keeps your spine together | 13:06 |
| lardman | :) | 13:06 |
| tybollt | mece: am I a pet or something? :) | 13:06 |
| mece | tybollt, so it appears. | 13:06 |
| tybollt | mece: Or as in pulp fiction "why don't you bring out the gimp" | 13:06 |
| lardman | in a continuing attack on the BBC newspages, I'm unhappy to read that my TV licensing fee is going to develop iPhone applets | 13:06 |
| mece | hahaha | 13:07 |
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| w00t | lardman: do what I do - just don't have a TV | 13:07 |
| w00t | (and as a result, don't pay the licence) | 13:07 |
| lardman | nah, campaign for other apps for other platforms | 13:07 |
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| lardman | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8519783.stm come on you licence fee payers! | 13:07 |
| w00t | if they aren't going to waste money on iPhones, it'll be on something else useless | 13:07 |
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| lardman | well the iPlayer stuff is quite good | 13:08 |
| nidO | "campaign for apps for other platforms"? | 13:08 |
| lardman | though not paying their "stars" so much money would be a good start for saving cash | 13:08 |
| nidO | did you read the second sentence in the article? | 13:08 |
| lardman | yeah, I don't see maemo there ;) | 13:08 |
| nidO | maemo is utterly small fry right now compared to every other mobile platform | 13:09 |
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| nidO | on a scale of economics of license costs, developing one for maemo right now is what *would* be a waste of cash | 13:09 |
| MOUD | Hello | 13:09 |
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| lardman | nidO: true | 13:10 |
| nidO | maybe there'll be a big enough user base once it becomes meego for them to do it | 13:10 |
| MOUD | I am trying to update my n900 but I get the "Insufficient disk space" error. Any suggestions to fix it? | 13:10 |
| nidO | but I doubt we'll see a maemo release of anything from them | 13:10 |
| lardman | It would be nice to hav access to the api that does their scrolling play by play commentary though | 13:10 |
| mece | oh.. they've waived teh 50bucks ovi fee | 13:10 |
| nidO | The BBC has said that it will initially focus on building applications for the iPhone but follow with applications for Google's Android operating system and RIM (BlackBerry). | 13:11 |
| nidO | It said it would also "work with other providers to enable these applications on their mobile devices". | 13:11 |
| MOUD | I have 45.8MB free on my rootfs | 13:11 |
| FKman | Hello ALL: I try to synchronize with Exchange 2007. I hope, that oriblem is in this: Verification failed: unable to get local issuer certificate. Can anyone help me? | 13:12 |
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| lardman | nidO: well there's hope at least, and for all I know they may not have the scrolling commentary on the apps anyway | 13:12 |
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| nidO | that "work with other providers" as far as symbian/maemo goes might just = "provide the api info to let those communities develop their own" | 13:14 |
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| Khertan | Hello ! | 13:19 |
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| lardman | hi Khertan | 13:21 |
| mece | Khertan, hi! | 13:21 |
| * lardman really needs to turn on digests for meego-devel | 13:21 | |
| Khertan | I need some packaging help | 13:21 |
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| Khertan | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/vectormine/1.0.2-2/ <<< as you can see here the bug report link point to bugs.maemo.org | 13:21 |
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| Khertan | but in control the link is : Bugtracker: khertan@khertan.net | 13:22 |
| Khertan | in previous packages the link was : http://bugs.maemo.org | 13:22 |
| Khertan | does it s a package viewer bug ... or a problem with my package ? | 13:22 |
| lardman | is that ignored, or does it work for other packages? | 13:22 |
| lardman | s/ignored/overridden | 13:22 |
| Khertan | you mean that bugs.maemo.org is default ? | 13:23 |
| lardman | yeah, I wonder if it's as you say a bug in the viewer page | 13:23 |
| Khertan | i don't think because last time i put a package withtout any Bugtracker link and there was no default value put by the package viewer web page | 13:24 |
| Khertan | the change is maybe not supported | 13:24 |
| Khertan | or my package is not well formed | 13:24 |
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| lcuk | ~Khertan++ | 13:25 |
| Khertan | Hello lcuk ! | 13:25 |
| w00t | lcuk++ | 13:25 |
| lcuk | Khertan, love vectors will instal tonight when im not busy | 13:25 |
| lcuk | pleased you are getting it out | 13:25 |
| lardman | lcuk: does liq* not install these days? | 13:28 |
| lardman | I wanted to do some sketching yesterday but couldn't install due to missing deps | 13:29 |
| lardman | though I don't remember which | 13:29 |
| MOUD | I am trying to run the script " ./move-to-opt.sh " but I get permission denied, I am running as root. I tried using " chmod +x move-to-opt.sh " but still gives me the same error. How can I fix it? | 13:29 |
| lardman | where is the script? | 13:30 |
| MOUD | in MyDocs | 13:30 |
| lardman | that's mounted noexec | 13:30 |
| tybollt | lardman is saying: move the script to a partition that is not mounted noexec | 13:30 |
| lardman | so move it down a dir | 13:30 |
| MOUD | ok | 13:30 |
| lcuk | lardman, theres a slight maint break atm | 13:31 |
| lcuk | lol | 13:31 |
| lcuk | -devel unstable is unstable | 13:31 |
| lardman | ok | 13:31 |
| lcuk | -testing ones were ok | 13:31 |
| lcuk | but i think vdvsx wanted to take them out of there | 13:31 |
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| lcuk | next few days ill get some breathing space and update | 13:31 |
| lardman | ok np, just thought I'd let you know | 13:32 |
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| lcuk | yeah i had heard, i updated opensoundcontrol library and the version number was backwards | 13:32 |
| lcuk | thx | 13:32 |
| lardman | lol | 13:32 |
| lardman | :) | 13:32 |
| Khertan | lcuk: héhé ... it s available in extras-testing but already got a complain that bug tracker field | 13:33 |
| * lcuk nods | 13:34 | |
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| MOUD | do i have to move the file to /bin/sh ? because I get the error: /bin/sh: ./move-to-opt.sh: not found | 13:35 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: blame VDVsx :) | 13:35 |
| VDVsx | what I did this time ? :) | 13:36 |
| lardman | MOUD: no | 13:36 |
| Khertan | héhé | 13:36 |
| * Khertan is blaming VDVsx | 13:36 | |
| lardman | MOUD: can you pastebin the contents of the file? What's the first line? #! /bin/sh | 13:36 |
| MOUD | yes | 13:37 |
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| lardman | the not found might refer to something else in the file | 13:37 |
| lardman | but I'm not sure | 13:37 |
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| MOUD | the script is in this website: http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space | 13:37 |
| VDVsx | Khertan, the better I can do is pay you a beer for the 'inconvenience' :D :D | 13:37 |
| * VDVsx checks the logs | 13:38 | |
| Khertan | VDVsx: i'm joking | 13:38 |
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| VDVsx | :) | 13:39 |
| Khertan | i ve uploaded a vectormine package to repository ... bug with a bug tracker field : http://bugs.maemo.org | 13:39 |
| lardman | MOUD: dunno, not a shell scripting afficianado I'm afraid | 13:39 |
| Khertan | right ... | 13:39 |
| Khertan | and i got complain as there isn't any vectormine product in bugs | 13:39 |
| Khertan | so ... ok | 13:39 |
| MOUD | lardman: no problem, im going to put on the /bin/sh and give a try. Thanks for the help | 13:40 |
| Khertan | i change it in VectorMine 1.0.2-2 package for khertan@khertan.net | 13:40 |
| mece | MOUD, did you create the file move-to-opt.sh? | 13:40 |
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| Khertan | but the package web interface is still displaying http://bugs.maemo.org | 13:40 |
| lardman | MOUD: what do you mean by put on the /bin/sh? | 13:40 |
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| Khertan | VDVsx: so i m trying to understand if it s a problem with the package | 13:40 |
| lardman | MOUD: also check that the file is executable I guess | 13:40 |
| MOUD | lardman: copy the file to /bin/sh | 13:40 |
| lardman | MOUD: don't do that | 13:41 |
| mece | MOUD, NONONO! | 13:41 |
| MOUD | lardman: it is, I used chmod +x | 13:41 |
| lardman | after you moved it? | 13:41 |
| Khertan | VDVsx: or a display bug in the web ui | 13:41 |
| MOUD | mece: why? | 13:41 |
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| lardman | /bin/sh is the ash shell that you're using | 13:41 |
| mece | MOUD, /bin/sh is the shell that runs the script. DON'T touch that | 13:41 |
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| VDVsx | Khertan, package link ? | 13:42 |
| Khertan | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/v/vectormine/vectormine_1.0.2-2_armel.deb | 13:42 |
| Khertan | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/vectormine/1.0.2-2/ | 13:42 |
| Khertan | uh ... | 13:42 |
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| Khertan | it has changed | 13:43 |
| ham5 | anything I can compile on my debian machien at home I can run on a maemo ? | 13:43 |
| lardman | question or statement? | 13:43 |
| Khertan | VDVsx: but still not good :) | 13:43 |
| MOUD | mece: I already copied there but after doing ls -l /bin/sh nothing is in there | 13:43 |
| MOUD | but I didn't get an error while copying | 13:43 |
| VDVsx | Khertan, your package seems fine | 13:43 |
| Khertan | VDVsx: look at the link bug tracker in the package instance | 13:43 |
| lardman | ham5: download the SDK and get compiling | 13:43 |
| Khertan | VDVsx: it s seems there is some delay / cache | 13:44 |
| mece | MOUD, did you copy the file somewherE??? | 13:44 |
| Khertan | updating the bugtracker link | 13:44 |
| Khertan | now i got this link : http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/vectormine/1.0.2-2/khertan@khertan.net | 13:44 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:44 |
| mece | MOUD, /bin/sh is not a directory | 13:44 |
| Khertan | not really good too | 13:44 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:44 |
| adalal | anyone here knows how to configure maemo5 to use apt-get and all behind a proxy? | 13:44 |
| MOUD | mece: no | 13:44 |
| VDVsx | Khertan, yeah | 13:44 |
| MOUD | mece: ah ok | 13:44 |
| * VDVsx blames X-Fade :) | 13:44 | |
| lardman | MOUD: /bin/sh should be a symlink | 13:44 |
| * Khertan blames X-Fade | 13:45 | |
| Khertan | :) | 13:45 |
| mece | MOUD, there should be no copying of any files when making that script. | 13:45 |
| MOUD | and how do I see the link for /bin/sh ? | 13:45 |
| lardman | ls -rtl /bin/sh | 13:45 |
| Khertan | VDVsx: thanks for having take the time to look at my problem | 13:45 |
| lardman | MOUD: but that link won't be at fault unless you've broken it | 13:46 |
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| mece | MOUD it's supposed to point at busybox | 13:46 |
| MOUD | I see | 13:46 |
| lardman | so, does it still exist? | 13:46 |
| mece | anyway #!/bin/sh is just the first line in the script. nothing should be copied anywhere. | 13:47 |
| VDVsx | Khertan, this is a bug in the package interface or some weird cache, did you see there the previous bugtracker with the package version as well ? (bugs.maemo....) | 13:47 |
| MOUD | yeah, still there | 13:47 |
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| lardman | mece: the script needs to be in e.g. /home/user so it can be made executable | 13:47 |
| lardman | MOUD: did you chmod after moving the file? | 13:47 |
| Khertan | VDVsx: yep i see the previous bugtracker link with the last package version (i suppose weird cache) | 13:48 |
| lardman | MOUD: and are you using the right script name? | 13:48 |
| mece | lardman, right. | 13:48 |
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| MOUD | yes, chmod +x and also tried chmod 777 | 13:48 |
| lardman | chmod +x is fine | 13:48 |
| Khertan | VDVsx: and now it s again the previous link | 13:48 |
| MOUD | yes, the same file name | 13:48 |
| Khertan | VDVsx: strange | 13:48 |
| lardman | MOUD: are you in the right dir when you try to run the script? | 13:49 |
| lardman | i.e. the same one the script is in? | 13:49 |
| MOUD | yes, I am in /home/user and the file is in there too | 13:49 |
| Khertan | VDVsx: does this occur only for extras-devel ? or it ll be same if i promote it to extras-testing | 13:49 |
| Khertan | ? | 13:49 |
| VDVsx | Khertan, dunno | 13:49 |
| Khertan | i ll try so :) | 13:50 |
| nidO | Google has bought the publisher of iPhone mail search app reMail, and promptly pulled the application from the iTunes store until further notice. | 13:50 |
| MOUD | lardman: yes, I am in /home/user and the file is in there too | 13:50 |
| lardman | MOUD: and when you type ./mo then tab, it tab completes? | 13:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | mece, s/this was done/this was not done/ ? | 13:50 |
| nidO | subtle way to enhance android in the android v iphone war | 13:50 |
| MOUD | lardman: yes it does | 13:50 |
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| mece | GeneralAntilles, what? | 13:50 |
| lardman | MOUD: check for typos in the script then, it looks like it's being run | 13:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | mece, appears to be a typo: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=534075&postcount=34 | 13:51 |
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| mece | GeneralAntilles, the not is before the comma. | 13:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | mece, actually, I guess it's not a typo. | 13:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | mece, but it's awkward and unclear. | 13:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Move the not to second half of the sentence. | 13:52 |
| MOUD | I just copy/pasted it , I don't think there's a type there | 13:52 |
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| MOUD | *typo | 13:52 |
| mece | GeneralAntiulles, fixed it. | 13:52 |
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| lardman | MOUD: did the files get moved out of interest? | 13:52 |
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| MOUD | lardman, haven't checked. 1 min | 13:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | mece, I expect the poster replying to you was confused which is why I brought it up. ;) | 13:53 |
| mece | righty, thanks. | 13:53 |
| mece | ooh sio2interactive is viewing the thread! | 13:54 |
| mece | man I hope he answers | 13:54 |
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| mece | MOUD, so what does it say when you run the script? | 13:54 |
| MOUD | mece: /bin/sh: ./move-to-opt.sh: not found | 13:55 |
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| nidO | huge reply to the thread just gone up from sio2interactive | 13:57 |
| MOUD | lardman: all the files in the "theme" folder is still in there, so I don't think the script ran | 13:57 |
| lardman | MOUD: ok | 13:57 |
| MOUD | well | 13:58 |
| nidO | basically blaming the platform | 13:58 |
| mece | MOUD, that implicates that the file you're running is not there.. | 13:58 |
| mece | MOUD, or not executable. | 13:58 |
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| lardman | but apparently it tab completes | 13:58 |
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| lardman | so should both be there and be executable | 13:59 |
| MOUD | agree with lardman | 13:59 |
| MOUD | btw | 13:59 |
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| mece | MOUD, hmm actually when it's not there I get ~sh: ./asdf: not found | 13:59 |
| MOUD | is there any way that I can remove everything from the phone so it can look the way it was when I bought it? (fresh clean) | 13:59 |
| mece | MOUD, you can flash it. | 14:00 |
| SpeedEvil | MyDocs? | 14:00 |
| MOUD | mece: how? | 14:00 |
| SpeedEvil | MOUD: flash it - flash the mmc image too | 14:00 |
| lardman | hmm, I wonder if it's something like CR/LF | 14:00 |
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| lardman | MOUD: open the file with vi and see if it has ^M on the end of every line | 14:01 |
| MOUD | I dont have a mmc | 14:01 |
| MOUD | lardman: can you show me the exact command ? | 14:01 |
| mece | sio2interactive,... http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=534119&postcount=38 | 14:01 |
| lardman | MOUD: vi move-to-opt.sh | 14:02 |
| MOUD | ok | 14:02 |
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| lardman | MOUD: then type :q to quit (i.e. colon q) | 14:03 |
| t-tan | MOUD: try this http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Tanner#Safely_free_some_space_on_rootfs | 14:03 |
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| lcuk | lardman, SHAKE_TO_EXIT should be a default on all console editor apps! | 14:04 |
| lardman | t-tan: if it's a line feed issue he'll have the same problem | 14:04 |
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| lardman | lcuk: not vi! never, we want to keep the difficult-to-remember combos! | 14:04 |
| t-tan | lardman: sh should be insensitive to the ^M | 14:05 |
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| MOUD | I am restarting my phone. 1 min | 14:05 |
| lardman | hmm, not in my experience | 14:05 |
| lcuk | lol | 14:05 |
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| mece | oh fer fecks sake! man I hate when people are all like "oh it was easy to do it, so I can't be blamed" | 14:06 |
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| nidO | that post is a load of cock, basically | 14:07 |
| mece | exactly. | 14:07 |
| lardman | linky? | 14:07 |
| nidO | just because he was able to circumvent the rules doesnt allow him to. | 14:07 |
| mece | excuses excuses | 14:07 |
| mece | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=534119&postcount=38 | 14:07 |
| lardman | thanks | 14:07 |
| adalal | can't u just install nano, and use that instead of vi? | 14:07 |
| adalal | :P | 14:07 |
| Khertan | install pygtkeditor :) | 14:07 |
| mece | I concur with Khertan. | 14:08 |
| lardman | lol | 14:08 |
| slonopotamus | err... | 14:08 |
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| lardman | well he does have a couple of points about the code being broken | 14:08 |
| slonopotamus | drop.maemo.org died? | 14:08 |
| X-Fade | slonopotamus: short reboot. | 14:09 |
| X-Fade | slonopotamus: Sorry, needed that to mention in the mail I sent out too ;) | 14:09 |
| mece | lardman, yep. The non-douchebag way would be to mention that.. | 14:09 |
| mece | lardman, not to exploit it. | 14:09 |
| Kht_away | VDVsx: package promoting to extras-testing is really long | 14:09 |
| * slonopotamus curses debians for cyclic deps | 14:09 | |
| lardman | mece: indeed | 14:09 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, X-Fade i wholeheartedly retract my comments. he did game the system. wow | 14:10 |
| lardman | is the app in the non-free section? | 14:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | mece, roughly, well, the lock was broken, so why shouldn't I have broken in and stolen things? | 14:10 |
| MOUD | nooooo | 14:11 |
| frals | wtf "the explot was there not my fault i used it" | 14:11 |
| MOUD | my phone wont boot anymore | 14:11 |
| frals | w t f | 14:11 |
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| nidO | "Im the first one who was able to get the first stable 3D commercial game out there on the platform. At least you gotta gimme creditz on this" | 14:11 |
| nidO | wat. | 14:11 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: you wonder why i said "apology" first? | 14:12 |
| lardman | why is the stuff in here not in individual dirs?: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle/non-free/ | 14:12 |
| slonopotamus | X-Fade, that ain't 'short' :) | 14:12 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Config issue. | 14:12 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, yeah | 14:12 |
| MOUD | what can I do now? | 14:13 |
| lardman | I'd just leave him alone, it's in non-free, and fix the issues he highlighted | 14:13 |
| X-Fade | slonopotamus: Well, double reboot. | 14:13 |
| lardman | MOUD: did you do anything else before you rebooted, i.e. things that might break it? | 14:14 |
| slonopotamus | o_O | 14:14 |
| mece | MOUD, you can reflash it. I believe you managed to remove /bin/sh | 14:14 |
| lardman | MOUD: where does it get to in the boot process? | 14:14 |
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| lardman | mece: yeah | 14:14 |
| lardman | MOUD: were you running as root? | 14:14 |
| mece | MOUD, http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing | 14:15 |
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| Gelb | hi. | 14:15 |
| lardman | how does sio2's game work? Do you have to feed it a password to make it work? | 14:17 |
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| MOUD_ | my pone won't boot, what can I do? | 14:17 |
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| lardman | MOUD: were you running as root when you were fiddling with that script earlier? | 14:18 |
| MOUD | yes | 14:18 |
| lardman | see mece's comment, you probably removed /bin/sh | 14:18 |
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| MOUD | and what can I do now? | 14:19 |
| lardman | reflash | 14:19 |
| MOUD | how do I do that? I don't even have the file | 14:20 |
| Hukka | Ha. I'm sick, and have to skip a lecture. But qik stream saves the day :) | 14:20 |
| lardman | MOUD: http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing | 14:20 |
| lardman | should give you a link to the flasher and the image if you need it | 14:20 |
| Hukka | Though I have to admit that the N900 users dropped the ball, and the iPhone user had to actually handle the stream | 14:20 |
| tybollt | remove /bin/sh? | 14:21 |
| tybollt | Good $DEITY people, what the hell are you doing to accidentally remove that? | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | install bash? | 14:22 |
| tybollt | how does installing bash make you remove /bin/sh= | 14:22 |
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| tybollt | ? | 14:22 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: he can't boot | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: reflash, without a shell you're fucked | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:23 |
| wazd | damn, what's wrong with ICQ again... | 14:23 |
| lardman | yep | 14:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | frals, analogy stealer! | 14:23 |
| frals | :D | 14:23 |
| MOUD | lardman: thanks. I'm downloading the file | 14:25 |
| mece | GeneralAntilles, I was about to steal that one but 'I figured you'd post it yourself. | 14:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | mece, don't care enough to bother. *g* | 14:25 |
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| lardman | hmm, looks like he uses certs | 14:26 |
| lardman | and an unobfuscated function called check_activation() | 14:26 |
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| mece | lardman, he registers the imei, and checks against his server, afaict | 14:27 |
| lardman | well that could be bypassed | 14:28 |
| mece | lardman, are you trying to exploit his software? LOL | 14:29 |
| Kht_away | mece: what are you talking about ? | 14:29 |
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| lardman | not really, I don't care about games, but I dislike his smirking | 14:29 |
| wazd | ahaha, sio2interactive case is hilarious :) | 14:30 |
| Kht_away | which game do callback ? | 14:30 |
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| wazd | Kht_away: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44928 | 14:31 |
| lardman | interesting though, which library provides the IMEI data, or is that a dbus call? | 14:31 |
| frals | mece: it be a nice "payback" for this "there was an exploit, dont blame me" | 14:32 |
| frals | you can get it trough dbus at least | 14:32 |
| X-Fade | slonopotamus: drop working again for you? | 14:32 |
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| lardman | it would probably be easier to modify the binary code rather than try to fake the IMEI I guess | 14:32 |
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| lardman | anyway, enough of that thought experiment, even though he has been rather annoying, one wouldn't want to put off future commercial devs | 14:33 |
| Kht_away | lardman: dbus call | 14:33 |
| Kht_away | i use it for my shareware VectorMine | 14:33 |
| lardman | thx | 14:33 |
| lardman | I'll certainly stop then, don't want to stop Khertan's main source of funding :) | 14:34 |
| mece | lardman, I really hate that this guy is such a douche. | 14:34 |
| Kht_away | bof ... do what u want ... people that didn't want to pay will not anyway | 14:34 |
| Kht_away | i ve made some shareware before and they was always hack ... | 14:35 |
| Kht_away | with a keygen or something else | 14:35 |
| Kht_away | a trying to fight it is an endless war | 14:35 |
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| lardman | is quite an interesting topic really, securing software | 14:35 |
| lardman | Kht_away: yeah | 14:35 |
| tybollt | mece: the more a douche he is ... the more to the point and precise you should be.. that is the only way to respond IMHO. If you go out of your way to mock him it'll just escalate and we all lose... :-| | 14:35 |
| lardman | Kht_away: but generally you need at least some skill to do the hacking, so I imagine you'd tend to not get that much happening for low cost items | 14:36 |
| mece | tybollt, true true. I shan't post any more in that thread. I'll just get upset. | 14:36 |
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| mece | WTF? ok so this guy obviously does not understand what open source is. | 14:39 |
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| Kht_away | ouch the abuse on vote ... | 14:39 |
| bilboed-pi | isn't there a way to report such abuse ? | 14:40 |
| Kht_away | but is so frustrating to be exclude from OVI store ... | 14:40 |
| bilboed-pi | or add some smartness to the voting process | 14:40 |
| Kht_away | that they want to get money for their dev | 14:40 |
| lardman | bilboed-pi: yeah, just fix the bugs | 14:40 |
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| lardman | Kht_away: is the problem that it's not up yet, or you are excluded? | 14:40 |
| Kht_away | lardman: yep ... in fact the both :) | 14:41 |
| mece | if you go here, the http://sio2interactive.com "SIO2 Free Open Source 3D Game Engine" it says... *sigh* | 14:41 |
| Kht_away | lardman: require a vat number ... which my company didn't have | 14:41 |
| lardman | ah I see | 14:41 |
| lardman | well that's probably required for income tax purposes too | 14:41 |
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| tybollt | free as in Free to pay a shitload to SIO2? :) | 14:41 |
| lardman | or perhaps not | 14:42 |
| Kht_away | this is why i release under a pseudo "shareware" .... with a paypal paiement on my website | 14:42 |
| Kht_away | my company is exlude from vat tax ... so i didn't have a vat number :) | 14:42 |
| SpeedEvil | VAT registration isnot required in the uK | 14:42 |
| SpeedEvil | for small companies at least | 14:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | under 20K of turnover or something | 14:43 |
| Kht_away | under 80k for selling product company and 32k for services selling company here in france | 14:43 |
| tybollt | /nick IRS && /msg Kht_away ALL YOUR BASE ARE ... | 14:43 |
| Kht_away | ? | 14:44 |
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| tybollt | lame attempt at being funny | 14:44 |
| Khertan | lol | 14:44 |
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| MOUD | It worked. Thank you all :D | 14:45 |
| tybollt | then again why don't those assholes at SIO2 buy a spot in the limelight over at OVI store? | 14:45 |
| tybollt | why do they rpofusely have to go the maemo route if they are a comercial company anyway? | 14:46 |
| lardman | he said something about it not working iirc in that thread | 14:46 |
| tybollt | ah ok | 14:46 |
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| * tybollt bets ovi store won't "work" until the symbian hordes come stampeeding in | 14:46 | |
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| tybollt | that's when nookla will start caring worth a damn | 14:47 |
| slonopotamus | X-Fade, yep, thx | 14:47 |
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| * slonopotamus wonders what'll happen if one uploads whole debian to builder :) | 14:48 | |
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| thresh | where do i put data files so ioquake3 sees them? | 14:48 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, x-fade will personally get in a black helicopter and come hit you on the head with a heavy book about not uploading everything to autobuilder | 14:49 |
| X-Fade | slonopotamus: You'll find your access revoked :) | 14:49 |
| lopz | hi ;) | 14:49 |
| Khertan | tybollt: because ovi isn't working | 14:49 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, X-Fade do not like debian? :( | 14:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plus the black hawk thing. | 14:49 |
| tybollt | thresh: if you find out, mind PMing me the solution? | 14:49 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, that is not the problem | 14:49 |
| thresh | okay, i'm going into a BOOOOOORING meeting now | 14:49 |
| thresh | which will take 3 hours | 14:50 |
| thresh | so i desperately need to find it out | 14:50 |
| X-Fade | slonopotamus: Why would you upload xorg-xserver btw? | 14:50 |
| tybollt | thresh: :D | 14:50 |
| lardman | thresh: buzz-word bingo app? | 14:50 |
| slonopotamus | X-Fade, xvfb. it wasn't anywhere | 14:50 |
| tybollt | thresh: Hint! turn the volume off! :D | 14:50 |
| thresh | i'll be with my hearplugs | 14:50 |
| thresh | lardman: i'm not that good in english :) | 14:50 |
| X-Fade | slonopotamus: This doesn't seem the way to do it. | 14:50 |
| slonopotamus | X-Fade, it's just maemo package,, i didn't change anything. | 14:51 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, if you want to build the whole of debian, please do so - but dont abusse the autobuilder to do it, its perfectly possible however to make your own autobuilder and repositories etc to do it yourself | 14:51 |
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| hrw | Jaffa: can you update vala in extras to 0.7.10? | 14:57 |
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| slonopotamus | why some debian packages have debian/config.in? | 14:58 |
| lardman | autotools are used | 14:58 |
| slonopotamus | err | 14:58 |
| lardman | I imagine | 14:58 |
| slonopotamus | i meant debian/control.in | 14:58 |
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| slonopotamus | in addition to debian/control | 14:59 |
| Khertan | oups ... i ve forgotten to say in description that vectormine is a shareware ... | 14:59 |
| Khertan | hope i ll be not kill for that like sio2interactive | 15:00 |
| Khertan | :) | 15:00 |
| * GeneralAntilles launches the ICBM at Khertan's house. | 15:00 | |
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| lardman | damn, wind is blowing over France towards England | 15:00 |
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| lardman | can't even stop it with one of those multi-billion $ not-working-yet interceptor missles ;) | 15:01 |
| SpeedEvil | have you used the tracker? | 15:01 |
| javispedro | slonopotamus: because they autogenereate debian/control frm it | 15:01 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 15:01 |
| * SpeedEvil thought this was another channel for a mo. | 15:01 | |
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| SpeedEvil | People sending balloons uk->france in the other one | 15:02 |
| lardman | :) | 15:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | anyone with a 433Mhz SSB reciever in england or france welcome. | 15:04 |
| SpeedEvil | #highaltitude | 15:04 |
| Khertan | lardman: have you used the maemo tracker in the icbm ? | 15:04 |
| Khertan | :) | 15:04 |
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| alterego | What's the best way to backup contacts from N900->Ubuntu desktop? | 15:04 |
| alterego | Presumably something to do with evolution? | 15:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/wiki/doku.php/missions:ballasthalo:ballasthalo4 | 15:05 |
| Khertan | yeah ... so ... i ve a problem with the release of my game ... i just see that it was sent to ... free ... | 15:05 |
| Khertan | :( | 15:05 |
| Khertan | which isn't really the case | 15:05 |
| Jaffa | hrw: Yup, I've got patches pending to push through | 15:06 |
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| lardman | SpeedEvil: looks cool :) | 15:07 |
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| hrw | Jaffa: thx | 15:07 |
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| lardman | SpeedEvil: the map at the bottom of that page, did it vanish into the Atlantic then? | 15:08 |
| slonopotamus | ouch | 15:08 |
| slonopotamus | undefined reference to 'sqrt' | 15:09 |
| Khertan | hum ... how to upload to non-free ? | 15:09 |
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| slonopotamus | Khertan, you don't want to | 15:09 |
| Khertan | Using auto builder ... mean that it s automatically free apparently | 15:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, dput | 15:09 |
| Khertan | ouch | 15:09 |
| lardman | ask RST38h | 15:09 |
| lardman | he had to upload something to non-free iirc | 15:09 |
| Khertan | thx for the answer | 15:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, shareware but GPL? | 15:10 |
| Khertan | yep ... but i m not sure yet | 15:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then send it to free. | 15:10 |
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| Khertan | as ... using gpl mean that i deliver the code source | 15:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right | 15:10 |
| lardman | on punch cards | 15:10 |
| Khertan | and also the key verification | 15:10 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: yes - but that was more thanthe anticipated launch time | 15:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 15:10 |
| Khertan | lardman: great idea | 15:11 |
| Khertan | :) | 15:11 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: flight duration I mean | 15:11 |
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| lardman | SpeedEvil: ok | 15:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, just hope that their laziness outweighs $3.99 for the app. | 15:11 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: descent rate wrong, or wind too high? | 15:11 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: indeed, which is probably true for the vast majority | 15:11 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: that was a predicted track - not a flight log | 15:11 |
| lardman | ah I see | 15:11 |
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| * alterego wonders if madde will get renamed to MeeGo Application and Debugging Environment. | 15:14 | |
| lardman | nah, had to become a recursive acronym surely | 15:14 |
| hrw | same name | 15:14 |
| alterego | MeeGo's not Maemo? | 15:15 |
| Khertan | Meego Afraid Destruction Developpment Evolution | 15:15 |
| alterego | MNM :P | 15:15 |
| Khertan | alterego: MeeGo is not maemo | 15:16 |
| Khertan | it s moblin with maemo 6 ui | 15:16 |
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| Paavo | so its with x86 architecture, the first Nokia MeeGo device ? | 15:17 |
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| alterego | Khertan: I think yopu missed the conversation about MADDE becoming a recursive acronym, I was taking the piss out of GNU :P | 15:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Can we start dismissing people as SIO2 apologists yet? | 15:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Paavo, er? | 15:18 |
| Khertan | alterego: :) | 15:19 |
| alterego | GeneralAntilles: you'd be suprised how many people keep asking that :P | 15:19 |
| tybollt | but really... it's just a bit of astroturfin... come on... nobody every did that before - eh? | 15:20 |
| Khertan | hum ... i m not sure for the translation to french of 'dismissing' | 15:20 |
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| Khertan | fired them ? | 15:20 |
| Khertan | :) | 15:20 |
| lardman | fire on them | 15:20 |
| Paavo | Moblin doesnt currently support arm, so I figured that if Meego is Moblin with Maemo 6 UI, the device must use x86 ? | 15:20 |
| tybollt | just kick them the hell out - wait for them to come crying back - accept their apology - WIN! | 15:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Paavo, MeeGo will support both ARM and x86. | 15:20 |
| Khertan | Paavo with a Atom ant 8 kg battery for 2 hours of autonomy | 15:21 |
| Khertan | :) | 15:21 |
| alterego | Paavo: have you read meego.com yet? | 15:21 |
| Paavo | 15:16 < Khertan> it s moblin with maemo 6 ui | 15:21 |
| lardman | I'll have to put my hand up as a sort of apologist: he cheated the system, but really who cares, let's fix the problem and move on | 15:21 |
| achipa | except for Harmattan. Which is maemo with a maemo 6 ui. But called MeeGo, 'cause if you squint enough Maemo looks like MeeGo :) | 15:21 |
| Khertan | Paavo: yep for resuming :) | 15:21 |
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| Khertan | read meego.com for more information | 15:21 |
| lardman | Khertan: hey my netbook manages ~8hrs | 15:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | achipa, confusing for platform devs, much clearer for application devs and users. | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | achipa: that one really screws me up too | 15:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | achipa, who's most qualified to handle confusion? ;) | 15:22 |
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| Stskeeps | achipa: OTOH, the positive side might be that "dual packaging" might be the norm. | 15:22 |
| Khertan | i was jokking ... i just got a samsung nc130 and is works for 6 hours with a small battery | 15:22 |
| lardman | :) | 15:23 |
| Khertan | and under seven or linux | 15:24 |
| Khertan | :) | 15:24 |
| Khertan | i didn't notice any differences | 15:24 |
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| achipa | GeneralAntilles: wait till those users realize their MeeGo/Harmattan device is not able to install MeeGo packages and that not all MeeGo apps can run on all MeeGo devices... I just really hope it doesn't turn into a fragfest (fragMENTATION, not in the quake sense of the word :) ) | 15:27 |
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| Stskeeps | achipa: fwiw, rpm can be converted to deb | 15:27 |
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| Paavo | It will propably be chaos during the next two years or so | 15:27 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: I think he's refering to architectural issues. | 15:27 |
| X-Fade | achipa: I think proper MeeGo will be for Harmattan++. | 15:28 |
| achipa | Stskeeps: Everything is possible at zombo.com. But that's going to be fun WRT dependencies. | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | achipa: yes, of course | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | achipa: ideally you'd only need qt dependancies though | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | achipa: but yet another thing | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | "dependancy alignment towards maemo6" | 15:28 |
| X-Fade | This will really take an iteration of 2 to pan out. | 15:29 |
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| achipa | X-Fade: I just with we had a more clear nomenclature, then this would be a lot less of an issue | 15:29 |
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| hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/02/18/maemo-meego/ | 15:29 |
| lardman | Khertan: I see Jeremiah just posted to meego-dev, you could bend his ear via email if you still have a problem | 15:29 |
| achipa | I feel we're like in a South Park episode when they call everything Marklar | 15:29 |
| X-Fade | achipa: Hey, I didn't do the marketing thing :) | 15:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ah, hrw, I was waiting for you to weigh in. | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: why not propose OE instead? :) | 15:30 |
| lardman | +1 | 15:31 |
| achipa | Stskeeps: speaking of which, did anybody do OE/optware on the N900 ? | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | achipa: dunno, didn't hrw do some n900 related work? | 15:31 |
| hrw | achipa: basic support is present | 15:31 |
| tybollt | optware? | 15:31 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: I prefer to keep on topic | 15:32 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: 1.5y ago we tried to move Moblin to be Poky based and failed | 15:32 |
| achipa | hrw: OE or optware ? | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: interesting | 15:33 |
| hrw | achipa: OE | 15:33 |
| achipa | tybollt: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/HomePage | 15:33 |
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| hrw | achipa: people still use optware? | 15:34 |
| achipa | hrw: OK, will take a look. As a long time NSLU2-er, I'm also emotionally attached to optware even though it's a relic nowadays as you say :) | 15:34 |
| achipa | might be worth a package - if nothing else, it's optified by default :p | 15:35 |
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| achipa | hrw: today, it's popular on QNap NASes and on the Palm (Pre) for some reason, other than that, not sure if anyone uses it (with the NSLU2 going into well deserved retirement) | 15:40 |
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| javispedro | ah, ten pages in a few hours in the sio2 thread. | 15:46 |
| tybollt | huh? | 15:47 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Don't have time to follow it, but let me know if there is a conclusion :) | 15:47 |
| tybollt | didn't X-fade eject him yet? | 15:47 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: I didn't know there was anything left to discuss :P | 15:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, you're an evil bastard | 15:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, no, wait, the SIO2 guy is an evil bastard. | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I helped the guy. | 15:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, so, no, no conclusion. ;) | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: He should have just mailed when he had issues. | 15:48 |
| villemv | i think Palm will want to join the MeeGo party sooner or later | 15:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Basically, typical Talk flamewar that will go nowhere. | 15:49 |
| tybollt | villemv: why? | 15:49 |
| tybollt | villemv: they have their own OS | 15:49 |
| villemv | they can still ship their javascript sandbox over meego core | 15:49 |
| javispedro | tybollt: userspace is similar to maemo's own. | 15:49 |
| villemv | palm is a small companf | 15:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because if they don't we're going to send qwerty12 to pay them a visit. | 15:49 |
| javispedro | lol | 15:49 |
| javispedro | or our local .deb gang | 15:49 |
| javispedro | palm webos uses ipkg!! noway!!! .deb or die! | 15:50 |
| tybollt | you mean .rpm gang? | 15:50 |
| tybollt | No I'm not a bitter dweebian nerd... not at all | 15:50 |
| wazd | deb or terrorists win :) | 15:50 |
| tybollt | rpm is supporting communism!! | 15:50 |
| villemv | RED hat, right | 15:50 |
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| RST38h | wazd moo | 15:51 |
| javispedro | this brief discussion was actually more informed than the one on tmo. | 15:51 |
| wazd | RST38h: heya :) | 15:51 |
| javispedro | moo rst | 15:51 |
| javispedro | or "mee" | 15:51 |
| tybollt | informed discussion in a web forum? | 15:51 |
| vmlemon_ | Use SIS files, or else! | 15:51 |
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| tybollt | uhm... hello | 15:51 |
| javispedro | palm using meego would be factible. | 15:52 |
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| villemv | is that a word? | 15:53 |
| vmlemon_ | WebDroid! | 15:53 |
| villemv | verbing? | 15:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody go start a Twitter rumor. | 15:53 |
| javispedro | verb-ai-what? | 15:53 |
| villemv | verbing the nouns, you know | 15:53 |
| tybollt | so why aren't you saying samsung should switch | 15:53 |
| tybollt | instead of their linex | 15:53 |
| * vmlemon_ heard that the next MobLin will use MSI files for software installation ;) | 15:53 | |
| tybollt | endeavour | 15:53 |
| villemv | samsung has uberplatform "bada" | 15:53 |
| tybollt | villemv: my point, it ought to suck korean gonads? | 15:54 |
| villemv | they don't have linux, right? | 15:54 |
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| javispedro | villemv: seems not. | 15:54 |
| tybollt | villemv: bada ~linux, non? | 15:54 |
| villemv | nope | 15:54 |
| tybollt | oh | 15:54 |
| vmlemon_ | Based upon SHP | 15:54 |
| villemv | I don't think so at least | 15:54 |
| tybollt | I though so :) | 15:54 |
| vmlemon_ | (Samsung Hardware Platform - some proprietary junk written in C++) | 15:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, I see somebody brought in the N900 support issue into the SIO2 thread. | 15:54 |
| villemv | it's just using rastermans elite warez to allow writing apps | 15:55 |
| javispedro | lol | 15:55 |
| vmlemon_ | They leaked a ton of SHP code as part of a WebKit drop, for what it's worth | 15:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | We need a new Godwin's Law to cover that. | 15:55 |
| tybollt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bada_%28operating_system%29 | 15:55 |
| tybollt | bada (pronounced /?b??d??/) is a linux based mobile operating system being developed by Samsung Electronics. It is designed for use in smartphones. Its name is derived from the Korean word for ocean.[1] Samsung is to announce further details on the platform on February 14th, at the Mobile World Congress.[2] The first Bada-based phone is the Wave S8500, to be released in April 2010.[3][4] | 15:55 |
| javispedro | badablin! | 15:55 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: The guy had 2700 downloads yesterday. He should make a bit of money already. | 15:55 |
| villemv | don't trust wikipedia on that | 15:55 |
| nidO | im sure the original godwins will still hold true in that thread, given a couple more hours | 15:55 |
| wazd | javispedro: http://i080.radikal.ru/1002/90/1f73486ad507.jpg | 15:55 |
| javispedro | is this a developer site? | 15:55 |
| javispedro | http://www.badadev.com/ | 15:56 |
| vmlemon_ | It'sa Bada disasta | 15:56 |
| javispedro | for a moment I though I arrived at some squatter's page. | 15:56 |
| javispedro | wazd: lol | 15:56 |
| vmlemon_ | Unofficial. Samsung's developer site is still closed to most of the world, unless you have a "Partner" account | 15:56 |
| villemv | wow | 15:56 |
| vmlemon_ | Same with their "Developer Tool (sic)" | 15:56 |
| villemv | devs will love bada, if that website is anything to go by | 15:56 |
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| BANEADOdelHISPA | tEngoOh tanTOh GLamuH( sha jennYyY ) q mE labOh eR coÑoH cOn AMbipuuR tEngoOh tanTOh GLamuH( sha jennYyY ) q mE labOh eR coÑoH cOn AMbipuuR tEngoOh tanTOh GLamuH( sha jennYyY ) q mE labOh eR coÑoH cOn AMbipuuR. | 15:57 |
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| Stskeeps | was that another RPM vs DEB argument? | 15:57 |
| javispedro | yes, but somehow including soap | 15:57 |
| tybollt | Stskeeps: I'll keep making those arguments because I know how it makes you cringe ;-P | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | right, time to work on the open sourcing queue.. | 15:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Debian trolls will have a new topic for comments on andre__'s blog in the future. | 15:58 |
| javispedro | get your guns ready | 15:58 |
| * luke-jr mounts 2 automatics on each shoulder | 15:59 | |
| luke-jr | k | 15:59 |
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| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, uhm? Which one? :) | 15:59 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, are those munitions licensed as open sores? | 15:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://meego.com/devices/ | 15:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oops | 15:59 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: yep | 15:59 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: and that's why I don't like multichanneling :) | 16:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, now in addition to bitching about sending patches upstream, they can bitch about MeeGo using RPM. | 16:00 |
| andre__ | haha | 16:00 |
| javispedro | well, that, and the fact I am yet to find X-Chat's favorite channels edit dialog. | 16:00 |
| lardman | lcuk: open sores? ;) | 16:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, don't worry, #maemo will be dead soon enough. | 16:00 |
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| alterego | Anyone use MADDE here? | 16:03 |
| MiXu- | I do | 16:04 |
| alterego | Is there a MADDE with Qt 4.6 ? | 16:04 |
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| MiXu- | yes | 16:05 |
| MiXu- | http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2010/02/11/qt-46-for-maemo-5-development-now-also-on-windows/ | 16:05 |
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| alterego | Ah, nice, cheers. | 16:05 |
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| tybollt | hmm wrong channel but it appears LG are making a meeto device | 16:06 |
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| tybollt | shagtacular! | 16:06 |
| wazd | bwahaha http://s005.radikal.ru/i211/1002/2f/72a54f88264b.jpg | 16:06 |
| wazd | let's roll :) | 16:06 |
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| javispedro | wazd: more blood! | 16:08 |
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| cpscotti | hi there! Anyone with some time could test/evaluate the "desktop command execution widget". It's "final" version is at -testing only waiting for some evaluations.. | 16:13 |
| cpscotti | Vote/evaluate here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/desktop-cmd-exec/0.9/ | 16:13 |
| cpscotti | probably most of the people here is already using it.. so.. | 16:13 |
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| ceh900 | .. mhm watch me crashin xchat *test* | 16:22 |
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| ceh900 | success :P | 16:23 |
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| thresh | its .q3a/baseq3 for quake whoever wonder | 16:25 |
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| aboyer | where can i find the gstreamer caps (format, w, h, bpp, fps) that the n900 camera supports? | 16:29 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: ping | 16:32 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: pong | 16:35 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: PM | 16:35 |
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| lardman | aboyer: is hard | 16:37 |
| aboyer | lardman: ?!? | 16:38 |
| lardman | the framerate is not really known | 16:38 |
| lardman | or at least no-one I spoke to knew it | 16:38 |
| lardman | so I had to use a framerate range around where I wanted it to be | 16:38 |
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| aboyer | what about image size, i'm trying to get 320x240 but it's not working... | 16:39 |
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| lardman | hmm, can't remember if it will go that small | 16:39 |
| aboyer | ok, thanks | 16:40 |
| lardman | I think I had to settle for 640x480 | 16:40 |
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| lardman | no actually 320zx240 seems ok | 16:41 |
| lardman | caps = gst_caps_from_string("video/x-raw-yuv,format=(fourcc)UYVY,width=320,height=240,framerate=[1/10,10/1]"); | 16:41 |
| lardman | is what we're using in mbarcode-qt on the N900 atm | 16:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | It goes to 160x120 at least | 16:42 |
| lardman | on the N900? | 16:42 |
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| lardman | I think there's a way to interrogate the hw from the gst code, but I never worked out how to do that | 16:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 16:44 |
| zaheerm | lardman, with property probes | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: now is that digital zoom, or interpolated? | 16:45 |
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| aboyer | lardman: thanks for your line of code! | 16:45 |
| lardman | np | 16:45 |
| lardman | that will give you a very low framerate though, between 0.1 and 10 fos | 16:45 |
| lardman | fps | 16:45 |
| SpeedEvil | /usr/bin/gst-launch v4l2camsrc device=/dev/video0 num-buffers=1 \! video/x-raw-yuv,width=160,height=120 \! ffmpegcolorspace \! pngenc\! filesink location=/home/user/MyDocs/capture/test.png | 16:46 |
| zaheerm | lardman, https://code.fluendo.com/flumotion/trac/browser/flumotion/trunk/flumotion/worker/checks/video.py | 16:46 |
| lardman | thanks zaheerm | 16:46 |
| SpeedEvil | interpolated | 16:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aah | 16:47 |
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| zaheerm | lardman, checkWebcam shows you what you need to do | 16:48 |
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| lardman | ok, thanks | 16:48 |
| wazd | X-Fade: around? | 16:48 |
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| X-Fade | wazd: yes | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: does the chip, or is video/x-raw-yuv interpolate the fullres stream from v4l2camsrc? | 16:48 |
| wazd | X-Fade: Vlad is trying to contact you :) | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/polate/polating/ | 16:49 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: SpeedEvil: does the chip, or is video/x-raw-yuv interpolating the fullres stream from v4l2camsrc? | 16:49 |
| X-Fade | wazd: Normally he just sends me an email? :) | 16:49 |
| wazd | X-Fade: he says that he did it :P | 16:49 |
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| lardman | DocScrutinizer: I'm not sure how it works, but I guess it's the chip/driver that does the interpolation | 16:49 |
| SpeedEvil | it's the chip | 16:49 |
| X-Fade | wazd: Hectic days lately. | 16:49 |
| SpeedEvil | it won't do under 160 | 16:49 |
| wazd | X-Fade: there he is :) | 16:50 |
| wazd | vlad__: heya :) | 16:50 |
| vlad__ | hi | 16:50 |
| SpeedEvil | well - something in the hw. theremay be a hardware zoomer | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | hi vlad__ | 16:50 |
| vlad__ | X-Fade, did you recive my mail tommorow? | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: right, the cam interface and relatives | 16:50 |
| lcuk2 | lardman, is that lowres camera stream coming in fast | 16:51 |
| X-Fade | vlad__: This morning? Or yesterday? | 16:51 |
| vlad__ | This | 16:51 |
| lcuk2 | or is it still giving the rolling shutter effect | 16:51 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk2: you will always get rolling shutter effect | 16:51 |
| lardman | no, works fine | 16:51 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk2: nature of beast | 16:51 |
| lcuk2 | SpeedEvil, no rolling shutter on the camera preview mode | 16:51 |
| lardman | that was an issue with double buffering on the display widget | 16:51 |
| lcuk2 | nice fast live preview | 16:51 |
| lcuk2 | if that can do it, why cant user apps use it | 16:52 |
| TomaszD | X-Fade, is there an interface for removing packages in the works? I still can see Maemo Wordpy and other obsolete packages :( | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | slonopotamus: I'm doing a test with your current package, so the build will take a bit longer. | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk2: that's only a question how *fast* the shutter rolls ;-) | 16:52 |
| lcuk2 | open camera shutter, lovely fast view opens | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | TomaszD: Yes, is coming. | 16:52 |
| lcuk2 | you know what i mean | 16:52 |
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| TomaszD | X-Fade, ok :) vague eta? | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | TomaszD: Asap ;) | 16:53 |
| lcuk2 | i want/need that live view for something ive got in mind | 16:53 |
| TomaszD | X-Fade, lol | 16:53 |
| X-Fade | TomaszD: Probably next sprint though. | 16:53 |
| TomaszD | alright :) | 16:53 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk2: there is rolling shutter - it's just not so obvious | 16:53 |
| X-Fade | TomaszD: Changelog is coming first. | 16:53 |
| lcuk2 | SpeedEvil, whatever it is | 16:53 |
| lcuk2 | its not visible | 16:53 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk2: the shutter rolls at the framerate - or the maximum outputrate of the camera | 16:53 |
| lcuk2 | and every gstreamer thing ive tried its visible | 16:53 |
| lcuk2 | so something is different | 16:53 |
| X-Fade | vlad__: I answered your mail this morning? | 16:54 |
| lcuk2 | camera live preview over gstreamer has to be possible | 16:54 |
| slonopotamus | X-Fade, whai? i didn't do anything bad to you | 16:54 |
| X-Fade | slonopotamus: No, but I'm debugging something ;) | 16:54 |
| vlad__ | X-Fade: No I did' | 16:54 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk2: mplayer tv:// and the camera preview show exactly the same degree of rolling shutter for me | 16:54 |
| lardman | lcuk2: look at the camerabin source | 16:55 |
| vlad__ | not recieve answer | 16:55 |
| X-Fade | vlad__: Hmm sent it at 09:51 this morning. | 16:55 |
| tybollt | rolling rolling rolling | 16:55 |
| vlad__ | X-Fade, Hmmm, Please repeat to vasvlad@gmail.com Thanks | 16:56 |
| lardman | rawhide! | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | vlad__: "Did you add XSBC-Bugtracker to your debian/control file? The bugtracker | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | link needs to be in the package. If it is in the package it should be | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | automatically visible on the website. | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | " | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser, SpeedEvil, DocScrutinizer, etc, around? | 16:56 |
| * slonopotamus got isp speed improvement... 6mbps | 16:56 | |
| X-Fade | Hmm nice broken paste. | 16:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: no. | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: aye | 16:56 |
| vlad__ | X-Fade: Ok. Thanks | 16:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: I'm exploring the inner regions of the sun, in a spaceship made of cheese. | 16:56 |
| slonopotamus | X-Fade, nooo :( let it build | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil, DocScrutinizer: http://wiki.maemo.org/Open_development/Licensing_change_requests - need opinion on how it looks | 16:57 |
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| X-Fade | slonopotamus: few mins, don't worry. | 16:57 |
| * slonopotamus broke esbox... how all this stuff is fragile... | 16:58 | |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: maybe I should check the history diffs? Seems I've read that before? | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: yes, you have, now it's just getting implemented | 16:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so any changes from the prety good version I already know? | 16:59 |
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| thresh | supertux saved the day on a boring meeting | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: not in format, just implementation :) | 17:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: 'based on this form' -> clear the existing template in the bugzilla 'enter bug details' box - and copy and paste the below form | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | k | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | will give it a second read nevertheless | 17:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: 'you may need to create a bugzilla account' | 17:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: https://bugs.maemo.org/report.cgi?x_axis_field=priority&y_axis_field=votes&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&classification=Maemo+Official+Platform&product=Licensing+Change+Requests&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=NEW&emailassigned_to1=1& | 17:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&format=table&action=wrap&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0= is a WTF?? to me | 17:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Agh | 17:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oops | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: you mean it doesn't make sense as it is currently viewed? | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: lemme drag out another example | 17:04 |
| javispedro | does the next version of bugzilla implement automatic url shortening? | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: this is with real data, so | 17:04 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: http://tinyurl.com/ykfexsb | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i just moved everything to Unspecified priority as i need to evaluate all open requests | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | then they will move to high/medium/low | 17:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: the ' (counting down in priority) ' is confusing. 'making opensourcing less of a priority' | 17:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: ''You can see the current queue for licensing requests here '' this doesn't look like a list either | 17:06 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 17:06 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: it isn't supposed to be a list, it is possible to decode on one side is the most popular with votes, combined with priority | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | the bottom is the ones that go in the machinery first | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | bottom/high, for instance | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | it's to allow a dynamic queue | 17:07 |
| lardman | hmm, did someone want an updated version of libdmtx? | 17:08 |
| lardman | onion perhaps? | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: general rule would be to look at High/top votes, Medium/top votes, etc | 17:08 |
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| Stskeeps | or maybe primarily looking at high priority, etc - we'll see how it works. | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: maybe I need a coffee, but that table is a meanigless thing to me | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: :nod: | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bugzilla's tables are generally confusing. | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: clicking the items help | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's only the "1" I can click | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it tells you the distribution of votes for each priority level. | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | headline "unspecified" | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: saw my tinyurl? | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: when i'm done with this, it will be prioritized properly, into High/Medium/Low, and showing in the table | 17:10 |
| * w00t_ reads up | 17:12 | |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: sorry maybe I'm utterly stupid, but due to missing headline in first col, and first col not clickable, and meaningless headlines for col "medium" to "total" I'm lost on what this tables tells me | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: ah, priority | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't it say "Priority" on top? | 17:13 |
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| Stskeeps | and Votes on second axis | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | priority of WHAT?? | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | is that bugnumber in first col, or what? | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | of the licensing change request | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | no, votes | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | so WHICH licencing request? | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | that you click for | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry don't get it | 17:14 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: that is all a good framework for the task i guess. And it's ok as is, without even votes and the like in my opinion. What's missing is a description of any internal process and success stories (in fact, success stories are generally missing, that's the problem). | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: ''You can see the current queue for licensing requests here '' | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't match the table shown | 17:15 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: http://tinyurl.com/ybutmfp - in this case, the licensing change that is 52 votes and unspecified priority, would get evaluated. | 17:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, but WTF *IS* that licencing request??? | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | that has the 52 votes | 17:17 |
| w00t_ | click it | 17:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I CAN N | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | OT | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | yes, you can | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | !! | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | there's a "1" | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | which means "1" bug report matching this | 17:17 |
| w00t_ | it is a pretty bad UI | 17:17 |
| w00t_ | took me a minute to figure it out | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | OMG | 17:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?action=wrap&bug_file_loc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_id=&bug_status=NEW&bugidtype=include&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&classification=Maemo%20Official%20Platform&email1=&email2=&emailassigned_to1=1&emailassigned_to2=1&emailcc2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailtype1=substring&emailtype2=substring&field0-0-0=noop&keywords=&keywords_type=allwords&long_desc=&long_desc_type=substring&product | 17:18 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 17:18 |
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| Stskeeps | tinyurl is good for this :P | 17:18 |
| SpeedEvil | The page you get when you click through the table to the raw list of bugs would be better than an unsorted table | 17:18 |
| SpeedEvil | than a sorted table | 17:19 |
| SpeedEvil | even if the list of bugs is unsorted | 17:19 |
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| PaulFertser | Who cares about the votes anyway? Is there anything important behind them? | 17:19 |
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| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: no, but it allows people other than myself to help decide what gets evaluated | 17:20 |
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| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: if a large bunch of people ask for a licensing request to be considered and i don't agree with them, they can override me that way | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | which is tbh, democratic :P | 17:21 |
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| Stskeeps | also, it shows how many people actually care about this happening | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's wrong with a table like "Bug# | Votes | foo | bar" and you can click the Bug# to enter the actual tracpage? | 17:21 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: nice theory but i do not see that working in rl, i'm afraid | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: feel free to see if you can generate it automatically in bugzilla | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | i will happily take other formats | 17:22 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: the whole process is still a mistery to me, and the third link (with resolved tickets) where all of them are wontfix is unfun. | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: these are ones moved from old requests outside the system | 17:22 |
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| w00t_ | PaulFertser: what parts of the process could be better explained? | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | but yes, what w00t said - i am more than happy to help change the process | 17:23 |
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| PaulFertser | w00t_: the internals | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: ah, the internal procedure being done? | 17:24 |
| PaulFertser | w00t_: so one requesting a change can have an idea about the way and the time the request is managed. | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | as in, when they are actually sent along from community into internal? | 17:24 |
| slonopotamus | X-Fade, you broke it :( | 17:25 |
| w00t_ | I would imagine that takes place in the report itself, no? | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: it can be 1-3 months from your request getting picked up for evaluation internally | 17:25 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: i mean somebody asks something and then e.g. you say "ok, i'm putting that in the queue" and then you hear nothing for months, i assume that's mad frustrating. | 17:25 |
| slonopotamus | X-Fade, can you resubmit, please? | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: yes, i agree | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: there's two steps. one is me evaluating feasaibility and deciding a priority. next up, the item is picked up by a nokian if it's at the top of the list, assigns it to him/herself and sends it to the internal evaluation | 17:26 |
| X-Fade | slonopotamus: Not 100% sure that was me, but sure. | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: the evaluation of feasibility and the assignment will be notified to you in bugzilla | 17:26 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: also hiding names of the "internal corporate workers" who actually make the decision is a dirty game. It feels like you're talking to an inhumane wall. | 17:26 |
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| w00t_ | while I agree, I think part of that is always going to stay there, since it's not purely technical reasons that might block a request | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: agreed, and that's where next thing comes in - i follow up on all those that are getting evaluated. | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: and try to work things out while sitting on the fence. | 17:28 |
| cehteh | fuuuk | 17:28 |
| w00t_ | proper communication on it with someone (like Stskeeps) on the outside would help there though | 17:28 |
| cehteh | if (msg && dbus_message_append_args (msg, DBUS_TYPE_STRING, "text", DBUS_TYPE_INVALID)) .. how can that segfault? | 17:28 |
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| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: i guess the more you allow to look through the fence, the better (especially if you do that by making the fence transparent, not by passing messages yourself). | 17:28 |
| w00t_ | cehteh: is the segfault inside dbus_message_append_args? I'd guess so | 17:29 |
| cehteh | yes | 17:29 |
| w00t_ | cehteh: if so, is 'msg' a proper pointer? | 17:29 |
| cehteh | msg is correct | 17:29 |
| cehteh | yes | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: but about internal process - what i can say, is that it is not a inhumane process. it is well weighted and not a "no, we don't do this. <no reasoning>" | 17:29 |
| w00t_ | cehteh: dunno, then, using a tool like valgrind (if you can run this on an x86) might tell you more | 17:29 |
| javispedro | cehteh: I think you need to pass a pointer to a string iirc | 17:29 |
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| javispedro | lemme check | 17:29 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: without knowing the names of the people in charge it _seems_ inhumane. | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: the problem with names is that people change roles :P | 17:29 |
| cehteh | javispedro: "" is a pointer to literal .. but i tried already passing a local string | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: how about roles? | 17:30 |
| javispedro | cehteh: no no, I mean char** | 17:30 |
| cehteh | ah | 17:30 |
| javispedro | http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/api/html/group__DBusMessage.html#gdf644b7816754d01040cce6dc232469d | 17:30 |
| cehteh | that would explain itz | 17:30 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: just damn make internal correspondence discussing the request open, that's all needed to make it fair ;) | 17:31 |
| javispedro | cehteh: see the first example | 17:31 |
| cehteh | javispedro: that was it, thanks | 17:31 |
| cehteh | yeah i am new to dbus | 17:31 |
| javispedro | i didn't like that API at all | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: yeah.. at least things are looking up for the OS in terms of meego :P | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: hopefully less crazy stuff to consider | 17:32 |
| cehteh | yes there are certainly better things, but well .. have to use it, works now, thanks | 17:32 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: i mean when i talk to somebody and he proposes me a deal -- that's a deal, i can agree or not, that's my choice and my understanding. But if something is happening behind the curtains i always have a feeling that somebody wants to screw me one way or the other. | 17:32 |
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| alterego | Is there anyway of removing the "SMS" field from some contact numbers? Seems a bit silly having them on home landlines and such (though I know it'spossible to send them) | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: yeah, but otoh, not being able to talk about some things in public will ultimately lead to "no, we don't do this" answers :P | 17:33 |
| alterego | I'd just rpefer not to have the option. | 17:33 |
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| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: but anyway.. let's see how things run. | 17:33 |
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| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: this is an experiment, too. | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | in trying to get more things open | 17:33 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: a nice one, definetely | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | and having a saner process | 17:33 |
| PaulFertser | I'm just being sceptical as usual | 17:34 |
| PaulFertser | ;) | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | yep, i'm happy about that | 17:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: if you *report* about your correspondance to internal, that prolly would meet both sides requirements | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: sorry, i fail to parse that a bit | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | you could filter out or reword things as needed to keep NDA affected stuff etc | 17:35 |
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| w00t_ | Stskeeps: in other words | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | right, we'll see how that will work in effect. | 17:36 |
| w00t_ | instead of directly saying 'X said no, here's his email' | 17:36 |
| w00t_ | 'X said no because blah blah blah', paraphrasing and redacting as necessary | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: the idea is to work out compromises and workable solutions on both sides | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | w00t_: ^^ | 17:37 |
| * w00t_ nods | 17:37 | |
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| PaulFertser_ | That would put a load of stupid work on Stskeeps :( | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not really | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | he needs to *read* the mails anyway | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: it's my job to do this mind-numbing work | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's rarely something that is worth mentioning but couldn't just be copied verbatim | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | this is btw, direct submission to the same licensing change request queue internals have to use. | 17:40 |
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| Stskeeps | so, this is about as close as we can get atm | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | in these rare cases it's his job to do exactly that rephrasing | 17:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | look at it like a specal sort of blog | 17:41 |
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| |R | LG GW990 to run Meego, interesting... | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps would do a daily blog, and usually just copy mails as he gets/sends them. For special cases he might comment or redact the mails, or just throw a "was ill today, and no mails ;-)" to the blog | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i will probably just comment in the bug and ask if X,Y,Z changes would be acceptable | 17:44 |
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| Stskeeps | or illustrating the problem | 17:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: whether you do this on a real blog, or rather in the bugtrac tickets... I don't care | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | just make your negotiations with nokians transparent as much as possible | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | we'll see how things go. | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | even if it's a mere "2 weeks, no answer :-( " | 17:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | all the flames of disappointed users feeling their requests went to dev/null will go to *you* if you don't do such a report thing | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | i have to take some beatings, otherwise i just feel ashamed to getting paid for this kind of fun work | 17:49 |
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| Stskeeps | :P | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 17:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: maybe you could check the opportunities for a somewhat similar role for a hw-guide guy to hold the schematics and instruct community about how to use things like e.g. the IR interface? (guess who's that guy I'm thinking of) | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i think we need to have the whole MeGoo deal settle before we think of something like that | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | right now is a horrid time for anything, including the open sourcing queue, 3d drivers, etc :) | 17:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | heh, the hw part is absolutely OS independant. So if it conflicts with maemo->meego migration, then this is a mere organizational/manpower issue | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | even my own rule is a bit in doubt now too, but i think we'll find a way | 17:54 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: anyway, big thanks for moving in the right direction, i hope it'll pan out. gtg | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | sending a NDA to me is a cheap thing anyway | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: o/ | 17:55 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: if you want beatings, I'm sure they can be arranged *eg* | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | hrhrrhr | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | will he get paid for? | 17:57 |
| w00t_ | no | 17:57 |
| w00t_ | he'll take them on his own time | 17:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: (NDA) see, I know those things take months and months usually | 17:58 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i'm (thank god) not involved in that part of managing anything related to NDAs | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: sending me an NDA is a 0 effort 0 cost thing, and they hold a paper that enables them to move ahead any time they want and feel they got the time and need to | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: there was a statement they aren't happy NDA'ing community members as there's little to sue for | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | => little risk for revaling | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | .. but i'm not sure | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | err | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | big risk for reavling | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | okay, that's it, my work day is over | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | so they should pay me a few hundered bucks per month as soon as they hand actual NDA'd material to me | 18:00 |
| * Stskeeps goes get the wine and tv episodes | 18:00 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | as long as they don't they can't use the NDA for anything - I agree :-P | 18:00 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, if I may recommend a particular show, check out "The Wire" | 18:02 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: wine? but you didn't even touch scratchbox today! | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | w00t_: oh, trust me, i did. | 18:02 |
| w00t_ | that explains it then | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: though on OM '*I* had the role to manage the NDAs for the company, and OM never had any issues with NDAing community members to hand them out confidential material | 18:03 |
| w00t_ | ;) | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: actually we had to "hire" guys for special (glamo GFX chip) related material to meet the NDA we had with the chip manuf. But that's mere paperwork | 18:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: otoh OM always was about as much openness as possible. Nokia probably isn't | 18:06 |
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| drizztbsd | hi | 18:06 |
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| drizztbsd | how can I send/receive sms via ssh? | 18:07 |
| w00t_ | DocScrutinizer: while there's probably a grain of truth in there, I'm not sure that's an entirely fair statement | 18:07 |
| drizztbsd | on n900 | 18:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | w00t_: *probably* | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's a personal notion statement, so it's not unfair | 18:08 |
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| slonopotamus | X-Fade, you broke builders? :) | 18:09 |
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| X-Fade | slonopotamus: No, other app builds fine on the same builder. | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | w00t_: actually I'd stand corrected happily :-) | 18:09 |
| X-Fade | slonopotamus: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-February/017316.html | 18:10 |
| w00t_ | DocScrutinizer: well, it's a slow process, but things like that opening queue, symbian, meego to me.. are kind of indicating the direction they're trying to head | 18:10 |
| slonopotamus | X-Fade, it doesn't start to build libgnomeui-...-maemo2 :/ | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | w00t_: well, sending me an NDA was a low effort opportunity for them to follow up that path one step further | 18:11 |
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| X-Fade | slonopotamus: is building now. | 18:12 |
| slonopotamus | okaay :) | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | w00t_: nota bene the NDA itself usually is of low confidetiality | 18:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so low risk to send out | 18:13 |
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| achipa | hrw: today, it's popular on QNap NASes and on the Palm (Pre) for some reason, other than that, not sure if anyone uses it (with the NSLU2 going into well deserved retirement) | 18:15 |
| achipa | oops, wrong button... | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | w00t_: and if I eventually receive the real schematics, that would even put me in a conflict when I planned to RE the device and publish my own handmade schematics for money. I couldn't do that anymore as I never could proove I haven't used the schem they sent to me ;-D | 18:16 |
| hrw | :) | 18:17 |
| javispedro | .... but if you covertly put them on ebay | 18:17 |
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| vmlemon_ | Other than what's on the Maemo wiki, and maybe the leaked service manuals (although I don't want to refer to/discuss those), has anyone produced a chip-by-chip teardown of an N900, out of interest? | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, high risk for low revenue | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | vmlemon_: not jet afaik | 18:19 |
| vmlemon_ | Aah, thanks anyway | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | except from googling whatever typenames you see in boot dmesg | 18:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/jet/yet/ | 18:21 |
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| * DocScrutinizer hopes for coffee to kick in eventually | 18:21 | |
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| SpeedEvil | vmlemon_: send me your n900, and I will. | 18:29 |
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| vmlemon_ | Sadly, I don't even own an N900 | 18:30 |
| SpeedEvil | hey - that's a point | 18:30 |
| vmlemon_ | (Some folks on the Symbian Developer Forums were discussing the feasibility of a port, given that the hardware's superficially similar to what's on a BeagleBoard). | 18:30 |
| SpeedEvil | there should be a 'wanted' page | 18:30 |
| SpeedEvil | a port of what? | 18:30 |
| vmlemon_ | The Symbian Platform itself, for what it's worth | 18:30 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 18:30 |
| vmlemon_ | Just for the heck of it | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | if you can fake kernel being a zimage.. | 18:31 |
| javispedro | it should be feasible. also, being nokia, you already may have the battery charging blob =) | 18:31 |
| vmlemon_ | We've got the Nokia ISI abstraction layer stuff | 18:31 |
| * v13 needs PyQt help | 18:32 | |
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| vmlemon_ | Not sure about power management code, given that stuff's covered by the baseport | 18:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | parts of the omap PM code are probably IP of TI | 18:34 |
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| vmlemon_ | As far as booting's concerned, someone thought of using the existing Maemo installation as a springboard to boot EKA2 and the rest of the Symbian Platform, similar to how folks used to boot Linux on Windows CE devices | 18:35 |
| vmlemon_ | Don't know how well it'll work in practice, though. | 18:35 |
| SpeedEvil | kexec could be easily installed | 18:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer hopes that'll never pan out ;-P symbian - eeeeeew | 18:36 | |
| DocScrutinizer | symbian in qemu, run under maemo - why not | 18:36 |
| Khertan | debian/copyrigth says that it's open souce GPL licence and in in "free" repository. However there is no source code. Use proprietary licence and non-free or include the source code in source package | 18:37 |
| Khertan | blablabla ... how can i make a shareware open source ... | 18:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | shareware cannot - usually - be GPL | 18:38 |
| Khertan | SpeedEvil: yep ... | 18:38 |
| SpeedEvil | as long as the person downloading it can't fork it | 18:38 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: could be | 18:38 |
| SpeedEvil | what's the problem with putting it in non-free? | 18:38 |
| javispedro | Khertan: this is from our "extras QA abusing" friend? | 18:39 |
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| luke-jr | Shareware usually just means it's cripped unless you pay for it | 18:39 |
| vmlemon_ | Hmm, we do have a BeagleBoard baseport already that works... | 18:39 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: can't be shareware with any restrictions that is. | 18:39 |
| Khertan | yep ... and specially ... can i say it s gpl if i didn't publishing all the source including the key generation | 18:39 |
| Khertan | javispedro: nope :) | 18:39 |
| luke-jr | could easily use #ifndef DEMO and have a Perl script strip the contents for gratis version | 18:39 |
| vmlemon_ | Just a case of tweaking it, writing drivers for whatever N900-specific hardware exists, and accounting for differences in the OMAP SoC | 18:40 |
| javispedro | same stuff as if you want to port Wince :) | 18:40 |
| Khertan | javispedro: it s from mikkov saying that the licence say gpl ... no source include ... in free ... thumb down | 18:40 |
| Khertan | right i publish with the wrong licence and in the wrong directory ... | 18:40 |
| Khertan | i didn't complain | 18:40 |
| Khertan | i m just would like to think of a new style of open sourced shareware | 18:41 |
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| javispedro | "open sourced shareware" | 18:41 |
| javispedro | sounds like web 3.0 to me | 18:41 |
| vmlemon_ | No wonder why people get confused about "Open Source" vs "Freeware" | 18:41 |
| Khertan | and for the moment i didn't know how to say gpl ... when i didn't give all the source (also the one with key code verification) | 18:42 |
| vmlemon_ | (I've heard of less-savvy folks refer to the latter as including source code with software, and other stupid things) | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | Khertan: you can't legally do that if your app is based on GPL'd sources | 18:43 |
| Khertan | my app isn't based on gpl source | 18:44 |
| Khertan | i write it myself :) | 18:44 |
| mikkov | Khertan: either you app is open source or it isn't | 18:44 |
| Khertan | i ll be back in 5 min | 18:44 |
| Khertan | away | 18:44 |
| vmlemon_ | Wouldn't "Open-Sourced Shareware" be yet another take on "Shared Source"? | 18:44 |
| Khertan | mikkov: yep ... true | 18:45 |
| vmlemon_ | (Or even "Available Source" if you prefer)... | 18:45 |
| Khertan | mikkov: i would like to make it "open source" and shareware together | 18:45 |
| * RST38h moos | 18:45 | |
| mikkov | Khertan: then choose licence which makes it possible | 18:45 |
| valdyn | Khertan: free software is more than just open source | 18:45 |
| Khertan | for the moment i ve put it to extras builder witjtout thinking that the it ll land to free | 18:45 |
| valdyn | Khertan: you could produce shareware with the source available, sure | 18:45 |
| * DocScrutinizer moos at RST38h | 18:46 | |
| Khertan | and licence gpl was a error in the package :) | 18:46 |
| RST38h | vmlemon: No, it is from the "some bullshit" category | 18:46 |
| vmlemon_ | Indeed | 18:46 |
| cehteh | RST38h: the xchat plugin makes progress :) | 18:46 |
| RST38h | cehteh: lemme know when it is done =) | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: it segfaults faster now? ;-P | 18:46 |
| RST38h | Too bad it uses custom widget for the message log, cannot easily add kinetic scrolling =( | 18:46 |
| cehteh | nah works now | 18:47 |
| cehteh | blinks, vibrates, throws message boxes around and so on | 18:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wave, bbl | 18:48 |
| X-Fade | slonopotamus: Everything ok now? | 18:49 |
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| RST38h | ahhahaha someone finally started abusing maemo.org voting, and it is SIO2 Interactive, of all people! | 18:51 |
| * RST38h gets some popcorn | 18:52 | |
| vmlemon_ | Heh, I wonder if this "Open Source Shareware" will be based on SIO2's crippled Shared Source "indy development" libraries ;) | 18:52 |
| slonopotamus | X-Fade, nope. i ran out of beer :/ | 18:53 |
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| nid0 | hm, seems backups can't be created when they have non-alphanumeric characters in the selected backup name - bug, or limitation? | 18:54 |
| * slonopotamus hack, hack, hack... | 18:54 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | bookmarks as well have limtations on allowable chars. Stupid | 18:56 |
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| nid0 | the limitation just isnt obvious though, if you try to create a backup with a non alphanumeric character it tries for about 10 secs then just says "backup error occured" and dumps back to the backup screen | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably both are used as filenames, and there's a proper escaping missing | 18:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for backups that's ok (well somewhat) - for bookmarks it's an annoyance and a PITA | 18:58 |
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| nid0 | yar I couldnt much care less whether my backup has a colon in it's name or not, just the first time iv noticed it ;p | 18:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for bookmarks the default name often contains non-allowable chars from window title | 19:00 |
| nid0 | ah | 19:00 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Looks like Jaaksi is using your theme | 19:11 |
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| wazd | RST38h: hm? | 19:11 |
| RST38h | wazd: check the screenshot: http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2010/02/n900-meego-and-barcelona.html | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | which one of the themes is that? | 19:12 |
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| wazd | RST38h: no, that's not mine | 19:12 |
| wazd | RST38h: it's Joppu's glossy | 19:12 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Ah | 19:13 |
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| wazd | RST38h: his conscience is clear :D | 19:14 |
| * RST38h heheks | 19:15 | |
| Khertan | dput use ssh ? | 19:16 |
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| Khertan | bye | 19:18 |
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| RST38h | yes | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: can you explain to me a bugzilla oddity? | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: http://tinyurl.com/ybutmfp - why does it say '1' when there's actually a larger number of bugs there? | 19:19 |
| Lumpio- | Maybe that's one of the bugs | 19:20 |
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| * timeless_mbp looks | 19:24 | |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: one which? | 19:25 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, youch | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | (should be reversable with edit this report) | 19:25 |
| timeless_mbp | http://tinyurl.com/yd7x4ue | 19:25 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: irc.mozilla.org #mozwebtools | 19:26 |
| timeless_mbp | add &debug=1 to your query | 19:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | problem: on inbound call screen is unlocked before I fetch the phone out of pocket ->unwanted keypresses. Solution: make the buttons on dialer app ("accept", "reject"...) sliders like on lockscreen. | 19:27 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: ah, so it only shows counts when you choose a certain priority..? | 19:28 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: well, it clearly works there | 19:28 |
| timeless_mbp | did you add &debug=1 to your query? | 19:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | you can read the sql and think about it | 19:28 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: well, in the tinyurl you just gave me, it was supposed to show a "High" priority bug too :) | 19:28 |
| timeless_mbp | no it wasn't | 19:29 |
| timeless_mbp | i asked for priority=unspectified | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | mmk | 19:29 |
| timeless_mbp | click 'edit this report' | 19:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: is there a ticket already for names of bookmarks don't allow certain characters? | 19:30 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: you mean like '/'? | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 19:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: can you imagine how trivial it would be to figure that out? | 19:31 |
| wazd | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/02/superspeed-logo-tweak-20100218-560.jpg :D | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I think I know the root cause of that | 19:31 |
| timeless_mbp | bugs.maemo.org/query.cgi?format=advanced | 19:31 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: it's called "gnomevfs" | 19:31 |
| timeless_mbp | click "maemo official applications" | 19:31 |
| timeless_mbp | click "browser" | 19:31 |
| timeless_mbp | click "bookmarks" | 19:31 |
| timeless_mbp | enter "/" in the summary search field | 19:31 |
| timeless_mbp | clear the resolution restriction | 19:31 |
| timeless_mbp | click "search" | 19:31 |
| timeless_mbp | bug 5548 | 19:31 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5548 you can't have a "/" in the name of a bookmark | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so a mere 'yes' whould have been much less effort ;-D | 19:32 |
| timeless_mbp | teach a man to fish | 19:32 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: if you're going to ask me something you can look up yourself, you'll have to pay by sitting and listening to an explanation of how you could have looked it up yourself | 19:33 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm an expensive resource | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I know to fish, but this very moment I'm in the mountain side :-) | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: fair enough | 19:33 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: one isn't typically in a mountain side | 19:34 |
| timeless_mbp | unless one's a bonsai | 19:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | or maybe a gateway to Moria | 19:34 |
| nid0 | To my knowledge though timeless_mbp, no current bug report exists for the same flaw in backup generations? | 19:34 |
| timeless_mbp | nid0: sorry? | 19:35 |
| timeless_mbp | you want to name a backup with a "/"? | 19:35 |
| timeless_mbp | like "Backup from 1/20/2010" ? | 19:35 |
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| nid0 | well with any non alphanumeric character. I couldnt give much of a toss but I tried to generate a backup with a colon in the name earlier and it just dies with an unspecified error | 19:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | nid0: backups are stored on VFAT | 19:35 |
| timeless_mbp | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table#Directory_table | 19:36 |
| timeless_mbp | nid0: you can file any bug you like | 19:37 |
| timeless_mbp | but some bugs won't be given the time of day | 19:37 |
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| nid0 | yeh im aware, was simply curious to know whether i'd just missed a bugreport, on the basis that a response is on there for 5548 - wasnt sure if it was a known limitation because of the storage method or an unintentional bug, being as the backup tries to generate for a bit then fails with a generic error | 19:39 |
| timeless_mbp | nid0: so um | 19:39 |
| timeless_mbp | Field unable to contain '?"/\*<>' | 19:39 |
| timeless_mbp | if you want to file a bug | 19:39 |
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| * RST38h moos at mikkov just for the sake of it | 19:39 | |
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| timeless_mbp | how about filing a bug about the fact that ':' seems to work | 19:40 |
| timeless_mbp | it isn't in the "not allowed" list | 19:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | which seems to mean it's going to do something incredibly stupid | 19:40 |
| timeless_mbp | "Backup error occurred" | 19:40 |
| timeless_mbp | nid0: _please_ file that bug | 19:41 |
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| nid0 | will do | 19:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | be sure to test and report on all of the forbidden characters from the link i gave | 19:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | any character that isn't listed in the error message but which is listed in the excluded list is *not* going to work | 19:41 |
| * fcrozat needs to fill a bug against file manager which doesn't convert files names copied from upnp when they contains '?' | 19:41 | |
| * timeless_mbp shakes fist | 19:41 | |
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| timeless_mbp | fcrozat: =~ s/fill/file/ | 19:41 |
| fcrozat | timeless_mbp: ;) | 19:42 |
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| Meizirkki | How do i change my maemo.org password ? | 19:43 |
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| SystemParadox | evening all. Does anyone know why my N900 isn't marking SMS messages as read? | 19:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | SystemParadox: are you out of disk space? :) | 19:45 |
| SystemParadox | no | 19:45 |
| SystemParadox | why would that affect it anyway? | 19:45 |
| SystemParadox | changing false to true doesn't use any more space | 19:46 |
| timeless_mbp | file systems don't typically work that way | 19:46 |
| timeless_mbp | one rarely does an in place write | 19:46 |
| SystemParadox | oh that's true | 19:46 |
| SystemParadox | which partition would it be using? | 19:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | and flash file systems tend to use wear leveling techniques which would probably mean they wouldn't want to write to the place where the file data last was anyway | 19:47 |
| timeless_mbp | just use 'df' and check them all | 19:47 |
| timeless_mbp | if any of them are full, you should think about the risks involved :) | 19:47 |
| SystemParadox | they're all fine | 19:47 |
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| SystemParadox | ok there's a forum thread on this. Now all I need is someone to message me to see if it worked | 19:51 |
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| SystemParadox | nope that hasn't fixed it :( | 19:53 |
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| cehteh | RST38h: http://lumiera.org/maemo_notify.c for review, works but not finished | 19:55 |
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| khertan | Hello ! | 19:59 |
| khertan | ~ping | 19:59 |
| infobot | ~pong | 19:59 |
| Corsac | hey khertan | 19:59 |
| cehteh | waah | 19:59 |
| Arif | ~moo | 19:59 |
| * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass | 19:59 | |
| khertan | hey corsac | 19:59 |
| cehteh | switching xvnc off lead to reboot :P | 19:59 |
| Arif | lawl | 20:00 |
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| khertan | someone know if there is a other way than dput to upload to non-free | 20:00 |
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| khertan | as dput use ssh which is block by my isp | 20:00 |
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| nid0 | your isp blocks ssh? | 20:01 |
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| khertan | an https way for example like we have with the extras assistant ? | 20:01 |
| khertan | nid0: phone isp block everything with their fucking proxy which arent http or https | 20:01 |
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| khertan | so no answer no other way :( | 20:03 |
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| cehteh | you got the wrong contact | 20:04 |
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| cehteh | contract | 20:04 |
| luke-jr | khertan: VPN over port 443 :D | 20:05 |
| khertan | hum nope | 20:05 |
| luke-jr | ... | 20:05 |
| luke-jr | if HTTPS works, so will that | 20:05 |
| khertan | not the wrong contract just one that didn t cost me an arm each month | 20:05 |
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| khertan | héhé i ve try vpn ... packet are broken by the proxy | 20:06 |
| khertan | they aren t stupid | 20:06 |
| luke-jr | khertan: it's impossible to block a SSL'd VPN without blocking SSL'd HTTP... | 20:06 |
| khertan | the day of dns tunneling is dead | 20:06 |
| luke-jr | it was never alive | 20:07 |
| luke-jr | barely worked for SSH | 20:07 |
| khertan | luke-jr obviously they can block it | 20:07 |
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| luke-jr | khertan: not obvious at all. | 20:07 |
| khertan | didn t ask me how i didn t know | 20:07 |
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| luke-jr | anyhow, a HTTP proxy should be possible to write | 20:08 |
| khertan | ? | 20:08 |
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| khertan | luke-jr ... hum .... it could be a good idea | 20:08 |
| luke-jr | setup a simple webserver that uses POST to talk to a tun/tap device | 20:08 |
| luke-jr | bridge that to your LAN, voila | 20:08 |
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| khertan | require also the client | 20:09 |
| khertan | but doable | 20:09 |
| luke-jr | yeah | 20:09 |
| luke-jr | of course | 20:09 |
| luke-jr | if there's a real HTTP proxy in between, you'll probably need to packetize things sanely | 20:10 |
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| luke-jr | have the server hold the connection open as long as it can, etc | 20:10 |
| luke-jr | until there's data | 20:10 |
| luke-jr | then close it when the data stops for a few ms | 20:10 |
| luke-jr | buffer any more data until the next POST comes in | 20:10 |
| luke-jr | and so on | 20:10 |
| khertan | yep | 20:10 |
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| luke-jr | if you put effort into it, you can have 2 POSTs at a time, to reduce latency | 20:11 |
| khertan | maybe i didn t have to put too much effort ... | 20:13 |
| khertan | OpenVPN can now perform tunnelling through the HTTP proxy for you. | 20:13 |
| khertan | !!l YEAH !!! | 20:13 |
| cehteh | :) | 20:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | is that just me, or is there a systemwide policy you mustn't "save as" ony project of e.g. notes or sketches. :-S A *pita* | 20:14 |
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| SystemParadox | where do I file a bug against the messaging app? I can't find it in any category | 20:14 |
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| cehteh | ceh900: blink | 20:14 |
| cehteh | :o) | 20:14 |
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| RST38h | heh | 20:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | plain stupid you can't saave intermediate versions of your work, or use templates | 20:15 |
| khertan | just need to go back home to install openvpn | 20:15 |
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| khertan | DocScrutinizer : the policy is to not show to much things to user | 20:17 |
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| khertan | it s like extensions in gtk dialog which are hidden | 20:17 |
| khertan | it s a shame | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | khertan: nonsense. That's no excuse | 20:18 |
| khertan | how did you make a difference between pypackager.py and pypackager.pyw | 20:18 |
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| khertan | you can t you need to open both | 20:18 |
| mavhc | 'What Nokia needs is a new phone — sorry, N900 — that’s as startling and lust-provoking as Keanu’s snap-open model was eleven years ago. If there’s a Star Trek sequel, it should be plugged into the cigarette lighter in young James Kirk’s vintage Corvette Stingray.' | 20:19 |
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| khertan | mavhc !!! haha n900 is perfect in hw ! | 20:20 |
| khertan | well sized ! | 20:20 |
| pronto | with a shitty mirco usb port thats broken on me once already! | 20:22 |
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| khertan | pronto ouch really ? | 20:22 |
| pronto | yeah | 20:22 |
| luke-jr | khertan: uh, no. | 20:23 |
| khertan | i should take more care of mine so | 20:23 |
| pronto | i was unplugging the charger and the port came out with it | 20:23 |
| khertan | i always remove without any care | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | pronto: go read the tmo thread for replacement | 20:23 |
| pronto | already got it replaced | 20:23 |
| pronto | lol | 20:23 |
| pronto | it broke on the 1st of feburay got replacement in yesterday | 20:24 |
| khertan | does replacement work too for dpp device ? | 20:24 |
| pronto | newegg replaced mine | 20:24 |
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| khertan | dpp/ddp | 20:24 |
| pronto | not sure what that is | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | khertan: doubt it | 20:24 |
| khertan | developper device program | 20:25 |
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| khertan | i ask because unfortunatly they said one week waranty | 20:25 |
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| khertan | if mine break, and no replace, i will not buy an other one ... | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | waranty is about cost, no? Not about feasability of repair | 20:26 |
| khertan | but this doesn t happen | 20:26 |
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| khertan | ddp device cost 250 Euros not high ... but not low too | 20:27 |
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| * DocScrutinizer feels there's an urgent need for replacement libs for fileselector dialog, save-file dialog... I bet a few more come to mind | 20:29 | |
| DocScrutinizer | let's hpe all these are .so | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | libhildonfm | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | the way all this works right now is f*cked up seriously | 20:30 |
| khertan | they consider that bug as a feature so won t fix | 20:30 |
| khertan | look comment in bugs.maemo.org | 20:30 |
| * cehteh is under the impression that maemo5 has way too much features | 20:31 | |
| DocScrutinizer | I found no ticket for "save as" | 20:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/features/restrictions sold as features/ | 20:32 |
| khertan | did find it too in open tickets | 20:32 |
| khertan | seems they have close it | 20:32 |
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| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=534958#post534958 .. be my test bunny :P | 20:33 |
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| TTilus | wheres the changelog for lates os upgrade? | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: nah. xchat is one of the mission critical apps on my device. | 20:35 |
| * cehteh goes cooking .. blood-orange-marmelade :> --- bbl | 20:35 | |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: you dont trust me? :) | 20:35 |
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| cehteh | well .. some features are not implemented yet, but works for me | 20:36 |
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| cehteh | anyways .. bbl .. continuing later with it | 20:36 |
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| Sveolon | hi all | 20:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: told ya I'm happy with the way my 'hacked script' works for notification. I'd not test any of the extended features anyway | 20:38 |
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| cehteh | ok i needed the blinking | 20:39 |
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| cehteh | and the banner and dialog boxes are also nice to have .. making this more configureable later | 20:39 |
| konttori | nice app developer incentive: http://www.gomonews.com/mwc-nokia-n900-chat-with-peter-schneider/ | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | only test you could expect of me is for proper diabling option | 20:39 |
| cehteh | well that works .. in a very simple way, when xchat gets focus it disables the led | 20:40 |
| cehteh | anyways i dont really need anyone testing this, i am confident its ok :P | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm talking about disabling the whole feature though | 20:40 |
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| cehteh | but feature suggestions/comments would be nice | 20:41 |
| cehteh | yeah there will some /notify_mode -lvbd next | 20:41 |
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| cehteh | +/- flag l= led, v= vibrator, b = banner, d= dialog | 20:41 |
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| cehteh | and an regex to trigger it on a specific message, thats planned | 20:42 |
| * Wizzup wonders how he should upgrade his maemo's base system because it asks him to start nokia pc suite... But Wizzup has no nokia pc suite as he uses Linux on his desktop | 20:42 | |
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| cehteh | bbl | 20:43 |
| konttori | Wizzup: use linux flasher | 20:43 |
| Wizzup | will search | 20:43 |
| konttori | or, more likely, clean your device and use SSU to upgrade | 20:43 |
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| Wizzup | I tried to do it with apt-get upgrade and it segfaulted ^^ | 20:44 |
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| SystemParadox | for a laugh, check out ebay item #190373882632 | 20:46 |
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| lcuk | SystemParadox, but im lazy | 20:47 |
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| SystemParadox | lcuk, lol. It's an N900 for £100. 0 feedback user. From portugal. | 20:49 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, ? | 20:49 |
| lcuk | i thought you got it working :p | 20:50 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, ? :) | 20:50 |
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| konttori | interesting activities today in desktop component: http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop | 20:50 |
| * lcuk giggles | 20:51 | |
| frals | hehe | 20:51 |
| khertan | ? | 20:51 |
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| frals | "live background" | 20:51 |
| konttori | well, all week long really ... ;) | 20:51 |
| Mece | ave | 20:51 |
| Mece | frals, what's that? | 20:52 |
| * khertan try to launch microb wich did want to open the windows | 20:52 | |
| konttori | it's difficult to really explain how cool it is, but big big kudos to kimmo for it | 20:52 |
| RST38h | konttori: desktop got a behind-bakground mode? =) | 20:52 |
| * Mece is intrigued | 20:52 | |
| VDVsx | konttori, very easy to explain, there's a thing called video :D :D | 20:52 |
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| Mece | video background? | 20:53 |
| khertan | just add a background ... | 20:53 |
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| Stskeeps | live-bg? | 20:53 |
| konttori | well, it also has live-fg support | 20:54 |
| Mece | konttori, what has? | 20:54 |
| VDVsx | like android I suspect ;) | 20:54 |
| RST38h | konttori: ok, what are live-fg and live-bg? | 20:54 |
| konttori | I am really just pondering when to make a video. Support is off limits until pr1.2 goes out | 20:54 |
| konttori | RST38h: just what they say they are. | 20:55 |
| RST38h | konttori: I am too stupid to understand | 20:55 |
| RST38h | Also, to me, video background makes no sense, sounds like a waste of batteyr power | 20:55 |
| konttori | allows you to have any window (or even XV) as the background (or as layer on top of home) | 20:56 |
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| N900evil | screen can waste more | 20:56 |
| konttori | there is pretty much no impact to battery | 20:56 |
| lcuk | RST38h, its bling. lots of people leave device at side of htem charging | 20:56 |
| Mece | oh the band started playing. just when things got interesting. later. | 20:56 |
| Wild_Doogy | any WINDOW? oh sweet | 20:56 |
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| konttori | so, you could, e.g. put browser in the bg. | 20:56 |
| N900evil | xlock -inroot -mode frame | 20:56 |
| N900evil | xlock -inroot -mode flame | 20:56 |
| RST38h | konttori: Oh, so I can put conky or browser as my root window? | 20:56 |
| konttori | and it'll get click events. | 20:56 |
| konttori | so, you can do interactive bgs. | 20:56 |
| RST38h | aha | 20:57 |
| * RST38h votes for xroach =) | 20:57 | |
| konttori | RST38h: yeah, pretty much so. | 20:57 |
| VDVsx | probably like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9phlk78qcro | 20:57 |
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| VDVsx | but more advanced | 20:57 |
| Corsac | hmmh, having only one sync'able calendar/addressbook is kind of sad :( | 20:57 |
| RST38h | but why not use widgets instead? | 20:57 |
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| khertan | ah i understand more ... an active desktop for n900 ? :) | 20:58 |
| RST38h | mhm | 20:58 |
| RST38h | konttori: btw, why no more resizable desktop widgets? | 20:58 |
| khertan | could be fun for geek with an tail -f /var/log/syslog background | 20:59 |
| konttori | yeah, like that but more advanced. | 20:59 |
| khertan | :) | 20:59 |
| konttori | You also get the knowledge of widget borders,so you can use those in the live bg. | 20:59 |
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| RST38h | multicolored tail -f /var/log/syslog background! | 20:59 |
| khertan | an mplayer battlestargalactica_final_batlle.avi background : :) | 21:00 |
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| RST38h | in bold and italics! | 21:00 |
| konttori | yeah, lots of possibilities. | 21:00 |
| khertan | :) | 21:00 |
| konttori | Also, if I am not mistaken, compositor can be used to do the autoscale, so you can render to smaller pixmap as well | 21:00 |
| konttori | to gain more speed. | 21:00 |
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| konttori | (and less mem consumption) | 21:01 |
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| konttori | lot's of possibilities. | 21:01 |
| * VDVsx suspects that some will use porn movies as bg :D | 21:01 | |
| * VDVsx looks at lcuk :D | 21:01 | |
| khertan | hum ... just like geektool on macosx or conky on an unix | 21:01 |
| khertan | i di | 21:01 |
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| lcuk | nahhh VDVsx theres much better things in mind | 21:01 |
| RST38h | konttori: I wonder how many will be realized though... | 21:01 |
| khertan | lcuk will probably more use a flying liqbase rendering | 21:02 |
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| RST38h | But lcuk is probably delighted by this live-bg ;) | 21:02 |
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| RST38h | khertan: heh | 21:02 |
| khertan | with bacon flying | 21:02 |
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| khertan | but i didn t see the overpowered feature ... in that one ... | 21:03 |
| khertan | maybe i m becomming less geek | 21:03 |
| khertan | or older | 21:03 |
| khertan | :) | 21:03 |
| khertan | someone here have try VectorMine ? | 21:04 |
| lcuk | not yet | 21:04 |
| lcuk | but that would be good flying around between widgets ;) | 21:04 |
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| RST38h | SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP | 21:04 |
| khertan | ~ping | 21:04 |
| infobot | ~pong | 21:04 |
| RST38h | (well you know where it is going) | 21:04 |
| Wild_Doogy | hmmm, My N900 keeps returning "Internet connection failed, Unable to retrieve IP address from the server." when i try to connect to my WPA2 network. | 21:05 |
| khertan | put a static ip your dhcp seems dead | 21:05 |
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| Wild_Doogy | oh?so the N900 should supports WPA2? | 21:06 |
| khertan | or activate the dhcp on your wifi router | 21:06 |
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| lcuk | afk anyway >>>> | 21:06 |
| pwnguin | Wild_Doogy: wpa2 works on mine | 21:06 |
| Wild_Doogy | it is, and it the 3rd WPA2 network I have gotten the same error on | 21:06 |
| Wild_Doogy | thanks | 21:06 |
| Wild_Doogy | edidting connections now | 21:07 |
| khertan | i m not sure | 21:07 |
| khertan | but i think it support it | 21:07 |
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| khertan | the error you got seems more like a auto ip discovery error | 21:08 |
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| Wild_Doogy | (got it again, but I didnt set static yes, jus messing with DNS) | 21:08 |
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| konttori | RST38h: well, let's see. It's a developer offering. Allows pretty wicked stuff to be done. | 21:09 |
| konttori | and sure, mostly geeky stuff, but cool nevertheless | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | WPA2 worked here, but my shitty zyxel P66 reboots every 15 minutes on WPA2, so I got back to WEP | 21:09 |
| Wild_Doogy | heh.... WEP >_> | 21:10 |
| khertan | hum none answer on t.m.o on my game | 21:11 |
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| khertan | seems i ve wate my time | 21:11 |
| lcuk | khertan, it crashed for me | 21:11 |
| lcuk | i installed it | 21:11 |
| lcuk | goes to fullscreen | 21:12 |
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| lcuk | see a flash of a cursor and then window dies | 21:12 |
| lcuk | if i am representative it might explain why no1 is commenting? | 21:12 |
| khertan | lcuk : oh really ? | 21:13 |
| khertan | which version ? | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | Wild_Doogy: I don't give a shit, as all my traffic is public via internet anyway. So I use secure protocols for whatever I think should stay undisclosed, and I don't care for any of the remaining issues | 21:13 |
| lcuk | i dunno | 21:13 |
| RST38h | konttori: I am quietly going over the list of known developers in my head, but lcuk is the only one who rings any bell =) | 21:13 |
| khertan | can you launch it from xerm ? | 21:13 |
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| lcuk | how do i find out | 21:13 |
| RST38h | Well, fiferboy maybe... | 21:13 |
| khertan | vectormine | 21:13 |
| lcuk | RST38h, for what? slick nice graphical things? | 21:13 |
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| konttori | RST38h: well, if not the community, then perhaps commercial guys. Anyway, e.g. screensavers can be ported to that pretty quickly | 21:14 |
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| konttori | e.g. matrix saver. | 21:14 |
| Corsac | hmhm, is there a kernel built with ipv6 enabled? | 21:14 |
| konttori | but those are of course not interactive, and thus, a bit boring | 21:14 |
| Corsac | or an ipv6 module available somewhere | 21:15 |
| shinkamui | man | 21:15 |
| shinkamui | I just tried navit with a big OSM map | 21:15 |
| shinkamui | how unusable | 21:15 |
| shinkamui | its worse than ovi maps speed wise :( | 21:15 |
| RST38h | konttori: Sheep. Definitely sheep. | 21:15 |
| konttori | you mean electric sheep saver? | 21:16 |
| Corsac | aren't screensavers bad for battery anyway? | 21:16 |
| lcuk | RST38h, theres plenty of people around with desire to do it - and once people see it and examples come out it will be easy | 21:16 |
| lcuk | yes RST38h :D | 21:16 |
| RST38h | live sheep wandering across the screen | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke screensavers | 21:17 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at screensavers ... B☢☢M! | 21:17 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: Well, you know how it usually goes, the people with desire can't program and the people who can program have better things to do... | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: ack | 21:17 |
| RST38h | konttori: http://www.slinkycity.com/windows-desktop-sheep.html | 21:17 |
| RST38h | konttori: the original sheep classic :) | 21:17 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: rst | 21:18 |
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| konttori | oh, lol! that would be shweet | 21:18 |
| Wild_Doogy | DocScrutinizer: Not criticizing your decision to go with web, it sounds like you have it all figured out. It just that mt and a few of my friends have a competition to see hoe fast we can crack onto each others WEP networks. I am currently holding the record, of having a successful crack in the time it took me to park the car, and walk to the front door >_> | 21:18 |
| Corsac | (what was the ack for?) | 21:18 |
| konttori | I thought you meant http://community.electricsheep.org/ | 21:18 |
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| RST38h | or this link (may be fresher) http://www.softpedia.com/get/Desktop-Enhancements/Other-Desktop-Enhancements/Scmpoo.shtml | 21:18 |
| konttori | check http://community.electricsheep.org/samples | 21:18 |
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| lcuk | we have maemo sheep! | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Wild_Doogy: so what? just disable all encryption on your AP. Others will lose one way or the other | 21:19 |
| lcuk | much more community oriented | 21:19 |
| lcuk | RST38h, i fall on both sides of that im afraid | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: for battery issues of screensavers | 21:19 |
| RST38h | konttori: hallucinogenic | 21:19 |
| shinkamui | I love cracking onto things... | 21:20 |
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| Wild_Doogy | its all for fun, only rule is we cant use WPA. | 21:20 |
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| Khertan | sorry was disconnected | 21:20 |
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| koupsa | bya all | 21:21 |
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| Khertan | lcuk: did you got any error when launching from xterm ? | 21:21 |
| lcuk | didnt try khertan | 21:21 |
| luke-jr | Wild_Doogy: so it's ok to use a WEP that has no valid key? | 21:21 |
| Khertan | ~ping | 21:21 |
| infobot | ~pong | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Wild_Doogy: if it wasn't for the leechers abusing my AP for p2p I'd lift any encryption off my AP | 21:22 |
| Khertan | if you got one can you emailit me at khertan@khertan.net ? | 21:22 |
| Khertan | thx | 21:22 |
| Khertan | as i ll disconnect soon ... poor network coverage | 21:22 |
| lcuk | Traceback (most recent call last): | 21:22 |
| lcuk | File "/home/user/MyDocs/Projects/vectormine/vectormine.py", line 1426, in <module> | 21:22 |
| lcuk | File "/home/user/MyDocs/Projects/vectormine/vectormine.py", line 1423, in main | 21:22 |
| lcuk | File "/home/user/MyDocs/Projects/vectormine/vectormine.py", line 877, in Menu | 21:22 |
| lcuk | IOError: unable to read font filename | 21:22 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: once upon a time, I configured my AP to run a public ESSID with 56k-speed throttling | 21:23 |
| Wild_Doogy | well, yes, but then you cant connect to your own network. one of my friends, Joe, ran 40 feet of Cat5 through his living-room so he could do that. | 21:23 |
| Khertan | uh ? | 21:23 |
| Khertan | strange | 21:23 |
| Khertan | thx | 21:23 |
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| Wild_Doogy | now theres a good idea | 21:23 |
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| Wild_Doogy | :-D | 21:23 |
| lcuk | Khertan, may well be my machine, but its feedback, sorry its not better news | 21:23 |
| Khertan | nope thx for the feedback | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | Wild_Doogy: huh? why wouldn't I be able to connect to own AP when it's open?? | 21:24 |
| Khertan | ~ping | 21:24 |
| infobot | ~pong | 21:24 |
| Khertan | if it s happen on yours it can happen for other user | 21:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: I would do that if I had a *decent* DSL-router-AP with sophisticated throttling | 21:25 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: no such thing exists; I'm too lazy to set it up again | 21:26 |
| Wild_Doogy | DocScrutinizer: I just got a rosewill RNX-GX4 fron newegg for $30. it works great, and flashing it to dd-wrt was a snap. (apparently you cant brick it.... but I wouldn't bet on it.) | 21:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the zyxel P660 can do a lot, but regrettably it's shitty fw that segfaults all the time | 21:28 |
| Wild_Doogy | old router died..... | 21:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or features just don't work the way they're announced | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I don't care too much | 21:29 |
| luke-jr | I'd get a new router, but I can't find one with decent specs | 21:29 |
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| N900evil_ | luke-jr, sheevaplug | 21:30 |
| Wild_Doogy | Luke-jr: I don't know what you need, but take a look: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166032&cm_re=rosewill_router-_-33-166-032-_-Product | 21:31 |
| luke-jr | N900evil_: fails for a number of reasons | 21:32 |
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| villemv | anyone running upnp server on linux? | 21:34 |
| thresh | yes i did | 21:35 |
| villemv | what program? | 21:35 |
| pwnguin | my NAS runs linux and some nondescript program I haven't identified | 21:35 |
| thresh | villemv: mediatomb | 21:35 |
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| Wild_Doogy | DocScrutinizer: Thanks for your help, the static IP worked. WPA2 is working. | 21:35 |
| villemv | ok, I'll check it out | 21:35 |
| luke-jr | Wild_Doogy: 4 MB is patheticly low | 21:35 |
| thresh | nice | 21:36 |
| thresh | my n900 now starts in one time in four | 21:36 |
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| thresh | like just reboots every time after nokia logo | 21:36 |
| thresh | wtf is that | 21:36 |
| villemv | anything weird in dmesg? | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Wild_Doogy: wrong addressee, it was some other guy who pointed at that | 21:37 |
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| luke-jr | N900evil_: OpenRD-Client would work except for its power consumption | 21:37 |
| Wild_Doogy | woops, sorry | 21:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | thresh: I had similar issue probably triggered by me moving the weather widget | 21:40 |
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| villemv | yeah, try disabling all the widgets | 21:40 |
| RST38h | the omweather thing has got a weird bug though | 21:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | though mine *always* ewbooted while rendering desktop | 21:40 |
| RST38h | refuses to update on click when the settings say "only update when connected to wifi" | 21:40 |
| N900evil_ | luke-jr, 6w? | 21:40 |
| luke-jr | N900evil_: yeah, a bit on the high end for a router | 21:41 |
| villemv | ok, mediatomb is busted | 21:41 |
| villemv | it streams errors about sql schema etc. not convinced ;-) | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Are you off-grid? | 21:42 |
| * Arkenoi gets flashlight updates quite frequently, but it does not seem to work any different ;-) | 21:42 | |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: ? | 21:42 |
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| pwnguin | villemv: there's also ushare. | 21:43 |
| villemv | ok, trying... | 21:43 |
| pwnguin | and gmediaserver | 21:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: I'm just wondering why you care about a delta of - say - 3W. Given it's 3 pounds a year or so even with expensive electricity. | 21:43 |
| pwnguin | i can keep naming things from an apt-cache search if you like | 21:43 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: UPS | 21:43 |
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| villemv | nah, I'm good :-) | 21:43 |
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| pwnguin | i dont know what mine is (it came with the firmware) but the phone finds it just fine | 21:44 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: 99.99% of UPSs have a static load muchhigher than 3w | 21:44 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: really? hm :| | 21:45 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: IIRC I measured my tiny '500w' one at 40W idle | 21:45 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: that's running on battery providing 1W out | 21:45 |
| luke-jr | perhaps a better question I should be asking is where to find a router with its own battery so there's no silly AC adapter loss | 21:45 |
| mavhc | don't even bother with ups at work anymore, power cuts are <1 in 3 years | 21:45 |
| luke-jr | mavhc: and brown outs? | 21:46 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: I have - completely coincidentally - a car battery wired in parallel with my router PSU | 21:46 |
| jacekowski | mavhc: on last power cut generator was running for 4 days | 21:46 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: well - it's not wired up now - it has been though until moderately recently | 21:46 |
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| villemv | ~]|15> !ushare -i wlan0 -c Music | 21:47 |
| villemv | Interface eth0 is down. | 21:47 |
| villemv | Recheck uShare's configuration and try again ! | 21:47 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: it so happened that the on-load voltage was ~13.5V - so car battery in parallel 'just worked'. | 21:47 |
| luke-jr | hm | 21:47 |
| villemv | excellent set of programs ;-) | 21:47 |
| jacekowski | that sharing thing on n900 - is it possible to use it to send photos to some different place | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: more seriously - you can get moderately inexpensive DC-DC converters | 21:48 |
| jacekowski | i mean like FTP plugin for it would be nice | 21:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: not by default. | 21:48 |
| MiXu- | There is an ftp plugin | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: i'm not aware of anyone actually setting up ftp | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | many have mentioned it | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 21:48 |
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| MiXu- | It's in extras I think :) | 21:48 |
| MiXu- | or extras-testing | 21:48 |
| pronto | i want that as well, that pixelpipe thing is annoying | 21:49 |
| pwnguin | jacekowski: i installed a plugin to send to gallery2 | 21:49 |
| pwnguin | it seems to work | 21:49 |
| jacekowski | pwnguin: where have you found it? | 21:49 |
| pronto | it works for now but -.- | 21:49 |
| pwnguin | -devel | 21:49 |
| jacekowski | name? | 21:49 |
| pwnguin | or maybe garage, i cant recall | 21:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: simple way is to measure the drain-time of your UPS on a tiny load | 21:49 |
| pwnguin | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/g2-sharing/ | 21:50 |
| MiXu- | Hmm... Maybe the FTP plugin was in extras-devel after all. I can't find it now. | 21:50 |
| jacekowski | gallery2 is even better for me | 21:50 |
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| jacekowski | mhm | 21:53 |
| jacekowski | no space left on device error | 21:53 |
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| jacekowski | that's bad | 21:53 |
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| jacekowski | and i can't even login by ssh | 21:53 |
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| pwnguin | jacekowski: keep in mind it's a v0.1 release | 22:00 |
| pwnguin | jacekowski: it doesnt seem to support encryption of your password | 22:00 |
| jacekowski | like i care about encryption | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: roundabout all DSL-routers I've seen so far come with external (AC-)PSU and internal regulators. Depending on the internal circuit of the router/AP you are fine with external battery of same or slightly higher voltage usually. Some weird designs *need* the AC for internal voltage mirroring or clocking purposes, but then you'll simply find it doesn't work. No harm in trying it | 22:00 |
| jacekowski | i'm more worried about my fscking wifi router | 22:00 |
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| mavhc | luke-jr: I live in a 1st world country, we have proper electricity | 22:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | last grid-caused blackout I've seen here was some 6 years ago. No brownouts ever | 22:04 |
| mavhc | where's here? | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | Germany | 22:06 |
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| Khertan | Hi ... | 22:06 |
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| Khertan | http://pastebin.com/m2ce2b18d <<< does it mean my ssh key is wrong ? | 22:07 |
| Khertan | or does it mean that there is a bugs ? | 22:07 |
| Khertan | if it s the ssh key ... how can i change it on garage.maemo.org ? | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | I've seen *one* 'brownout' in my live (1985) when one of the three phases of the big transformer for our quarter broke. Was funny | 22:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/live/life | 22:08 |
| Corsac | Khertan: you change it through garage settings, iirc, but that doesn't look like an ssh error | 22:08 |
| Corsac | Khertan: it seems more like the scp can't write on the destination folder | 22:09 |
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| Corsac | though I just managed to scp a file | 22:10 |
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| Corsac | maybe check your dput entry? | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | line 7: Permission denied (publickey). | 22:11 |
| Corsac | hmmh, yeah | 22:11 |
| Milo- | can anyone tell me name of the file which if the n900's "lid" is open or closed? | 22:11 |
| Corsac | erf | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | find /sys -name "*switch*" | 22:12 |
| v13 | corsac: you have a ~/.dput.cf ? | 22:12 |
| Corsac | Khertan: <your_garage_login_name>@drop.maemo.org:/var/www/extras-devel/incoming-... | 22:12 |
| Milo- | which tells* | 22:12 |
| Milo- | I kind of failed on that sentence | 22:12 |
| Corsac | v13: I have, the problem lies in Khertan's :) | 22:12 |
| v13 | oh :) | 22:12 |
| Corsac | Khertan: you should have a garage account, request permission to upload to extras | 22:12 |
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| Corsac | and then configure your login in the .dput.cf file | 22:13 |
| Khertan | i have permission | 22:13 |
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| Khertan | but seems that there is no key ;) | 22:13 |
| Corsac | Khertan: then correct the login = line in your .dput.cf :) | 22:13 |
| Khertan | in garage accout | 22:13 |
| v13 | khertan: then configure either /etc/dput.cf or ~/.dput.cf | 22:13 |
| Khertan | the dput login line is ok | 22:13 |
| Khertan | in config file | 22:13 |
| v13 | not it's not :) | 22:13 |
| v13 | search for "your_garage_login_name" and put it there :) | 22:13 |
| Corsac | https://garage.maemo.org/account/ ← and do you have an ssh key there? | 22:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Milo-: probably cover-switch | 22:14 |
| Khertan | grrr fucking cache | 22:14 |
| Khertan | :) | 22:14 |
| Khertan | thx | 22:14 |
| Milo- | DocScrutinizer says closed on both stages | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Milo-: dunno which "lid" you're talking bout | 22:14 |
| Milo- | DocScrutinizer the monitor is kind of a lid, like in laptops, covers the keyboard | 22:15 |
| Milo- | could not find a better word for it | 22:15 |
| Milo- | hence why I fail with google :) | 22:15 |
| v13 | when the keyboard is open or closed ? | 22:15 |
| Milo- | when the keyboard is covered or not. | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | slide? | 22:15 |
| Milo- | yes | 22:15 |
| v13 | you want to do something when the state changes, or just find-out its state ? | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | find /sys -name "*slide*" | 22:16 |
| Milo- | v13 I want to do something when the state changes | 22:16 |
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| v13 | then you should use dbus | 22:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 22:16 |
| Milo- | but for that the fastest way is probably to read /sys | 22:16 |
| Milo- | dbus is slow :P | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | polling is deprecated | 22:16 |
| v13 | the file is: /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state | 22:16 |
| Milo- | DocScrutinizer heh | 22:17 |
| Milo- | v13 thanks :) | 22:17 |
| v13 | Check dbus for path='/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_slide', dbus_interface='org.freedesktop.Hal.Device', signal_name='PropertyModified',\ | 22:17 |
| v13 | when you get such a signal, check read the file | 22:17 |
| v13 | it should be the fastest way | 22:17 |
| Milo- | v13 thanks again :) | 22:18 |
| v13 | yw | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | U bet it is the *best* way | 22:18 |
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| Khertan | still Permission denied (publickey). | 22:18 |
| Khertan | 'scp -p /home/khertan/Bureau/vectormine/vectormine_1.0.2-4_armel.deb /home/khertan/Bureau/vectormine/vectormine_1.0.2-4.dsc /home/khertan/Bureau/vectormine/vectormine_1.0.2-4.changes khertan@khertan.net@drop.maemo.org:/var/www/extras-devel/incoming-nonfree/fremantle' | 22:18 |
| Khertan | seems not ok | 22:18 |
| Khertan | for me ... strange 2 @ for an url | 22:19 |
| Khertan | but didn't work with only khertan too | 22:19 |
| Corsac | your login is your garage login | 22:19 |
| Khertan | yep khertan@khertan.net | 22:20 |
| Khertan | :) | 22:20 |
| Corsac | no | 22:20 |
| Corsac | https://garage.maemo.org/users/khertan/ | 22:20 |
| Khertan | ah yep ... true | 22:20 |
| Khertan | :) | 22:20 |
| Khertan | but didn't work too | 22:20 |
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| Khertan | when pasting the public gpg key ... does i should also put : -----BEGINPGPPUBLICKEYBLOCK----- | 22:20 |
| v13 | no | 22:21 |
| Corsac | hem | 22:21 |
| Corsac | Khertan: you need an _ssh_ key | 22:21 |
| Corsac | not a GPG key | 22:21 |
| * v13 congrats corsac | 22:21 | |
| Corsac | look in .ssh/id_rsa.pub | 22:21 |
| Khertan | lol ... | 22:21 |
| Khertan | i'm tired | 22:21 |
| Khertan | !=) | 22:21 |
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| Khertan | It s seems it s not my day | 22:25 |
| Khertan | thanks anyway for help | 22:25 |
| Khertan | :) | 22:25 |
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| Khertan | An other question ... does have the right to use extras-assistant is the same that the one to use dput to send package ? | 22:26 |
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| Khertan | YouHou !!! | 22:32 |
| Khertan | This works ! | 22:32 |
| Khertan | thanks a lot ! | 22:32 |
| Khertan | Successfully uploaded packages. | 22:32 |
| scr4ve | hey folks :-) | 22:33 |
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| wazd | infobot, hows the weather? | 22:35 |
| scr4ve | trying to upgrade to latest firmware release by installing mp-fremantle-generic-pr - Getting unmet dependencies: hildon-initscripts (= 1.26-1+0m5) but 1.26-1+dp1 is to be installed | 22:35 |
| scr4ve | As a windows user not knowing more than basic apt stuff, how to go on? | 22:35 |
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| pwnguin | step 1) don't use apt directly if you only know basic apt stuff | 22:36 |
| scr4ve | pwnguin: you're right. Over the air is failing anyway. | 22:36 |
| pwnguin | its all over the air | 22:36 |
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| pwnguin | the application manager is your weapon of choice here | 22:37 |
| scr4ve | pwnguin: app manager won't show update as long as mp-fremantle-generic-pr is uninstalled. | 22:37 |
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| pwnguin | how did that get uninstalled? | 22:38 |
| scr4ve | Thats a really good question. | 22:38 |
| ShadowJK | is there any output from: dpkg -l | grep mp-fremantle | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | wazd: | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~weather EDDN | 22:38 |
| infobot | Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2010.02.18 2020 UTC; Dew Point: 33 F (1 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.56 in. Hg (1001 hPa); Relative Humidity: 86%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 37 F (3 C); Visibility: 3 mile(s); Wind: from the ESE (110 degrees) at 5 MPH (4 KT) | 22:38 |
| scr4ve | ShadowJK: Nope. | 22:39 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer: nah, I was just cheaptalikng :D | 22:39 |
| scr4ve | dpkg -l "mp-fremantle-*" shows | 22:39 |
| scr4ve | pn mp-fremantle-g <none> (no description available) | 22:39 |
| pwnguin | scr4ve: the good news is you can reflash the firmware | 22:39 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer: I'm one of the guys behind OMWeather, you really think I need to know weather? :D | 22:39 |
| ShadowJK | hm, where did the -g come from | 22:39 |
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| pwnguin | ShadowJK: what's pn mean for status? | 22:40 |
| scr4ve | ShadowJK: I did not use terminal on my n900 before, so no idea. | 22:40 |
| ShadowJK | pwnguin, no idea | 22:40 |
| ShadowJK | scr4ve, you aren't in the UK are you? | 22:40 |
| scr4ve | nope, germany. | 22:40 |
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| scr4ve | aah - downgrading the package works, wonderful :-) | 22:44 |
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| * satmd is stuck at | 22:46 | |
| satmd | bug 7598 | 22:47 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7598 sbox-MaemoKernel: apt deps broken out-of-the-box | 22:47 |
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| satmd | fakeroot dpkg -i ... works, but apt insists on mixing | 22:47 |
| satmd | +arches | 22:47 |
| villager | pwnguin: pn = purged, no config files | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | satmd: just build it in FREMANTLE_ARMEL | 22:49 |
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| satmd | k | 22:50 |
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| |R | trying to apt-get install morphoquickpanorama i get : E: Handler silently failed ... ever seen that? | 22:57 |
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| ptl | when will UFO:X-COM be available for the N900? :P | 23:04 |
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| RST38h | when you port it | 23:05 |
| Corsac | hmhm, did anyone have problems with the maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_3.2010.02-8_armel.tgz rootstrap? | 23:05 |
| Corsac | I just setup a target in scratchbox, and it looks broken wrt. package status: http://paste.debian.net/60425/ | 23:05 |
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| Corsac | and trying to apt-get install anything fails because apt tries to use i386 sources | 23:06 |
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| Corsac | for unknown reason | 23:06 |
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| Corsac | dpkg-architecture replies arm/armel everywhere | 23:06 |
| satmd | Corsac: had this too just minutes ago | 23:06 |
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| satmd | Sts told me to just use the FREMANTLE_ARMEL target | 23:07 |
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| Corsac | satmd: so I guess you don't have a solution yet? :) | 23:07 |
| Corsac | mhmh ok | 23:07 |
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| satmd | trying to make a kernel? | 23:07 |
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| Corsac | satmd: yes | 23:08 |
| * satmd too | 23:08 | |
| wojci | Any clues as what to install to get something like crond on my n900? I would like to schedule a task which changes which sound profile to use depending on the time on the day. | 23:08 |
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| Corsac | (basically I'd like to play with IPv6) | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | wojci: alarmtool and libalarm | 23:08 |
| satmd | well, in extras-devel, there's a kernel with ipv6 | 23:08 |
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| wojci | stanojr, Yeah, I googled and it said alarmtool as well. Where would I find it? | 23:09 |
| wojci | stanojr, I mean I expect to have to tell apt-get about it. | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | wojci: cehteh is working on dwimd that should be able to do what you want. And more | 23:09 |
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| Corsac | satmd: uh, didn't know that | 23:10 |
| * satmd wants g_serial instead | 23:11 | |
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| wojci | DocScrutinizer, Its not what I need. I need crond. :P | 23:12 |
| wojci | .. or more likely alarmd. | 23:12 |
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| Corsac | satmd: any idea of the name? | 23:13 |
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| Corsac | or maybe jebba :) | 23:13 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo jebba | 23:13 |
| cehteh | wojci/DocScrutinizer thats rather xorAxAx project now :P | 23:13 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, kernel-modules-maemo seems to have it | 23:14 |
| cehteh | wojci: dwimd looks like its what you want | 23:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | alarmd | 23:15 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | alarmd is generic. I'd guess dwimd is using alarmd (among other resources) to do such chnages like silencing depending on time of day, location,, whatever | 23:16 |
| Corsac | satmd: installing the kernel is enough to select it for boot or does it need to be flashed in some way? | 23:16 |
| * cehteh didnt looked at the dwimd code yet :P | 23:17 | |
| wojci | It sounds like overkill. I just want to run a script two times a day. | 23:17 |
| cehteh | crond would be overkill too | 23:17 |
| wojci | I am used to cron from linux. | 23:17 |
| wojci | So no. Its pretty strange that it was not ported with the rest of the sw by nokia. | 23:18 |
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| cehteh | there are reasons for that | 23:18 |
| wojci | Battery draining I guess. | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | cron is not always friendly on mobile devices | 23:18 |
| cehteh | cron is quite limited in some ways, nice for a server, bad for a phone | 23:18 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: it's better than the appointments scheduler. | 23:19 |
| wojci | I don't care. I want to have a choice to make my own mistakes. ;-) | 23:19 |
| cehteh | hehe | 23:19 |
| cehteh | could be | 23:19 |
| * SpeedEvil accidentally went to an 'appointment' on the wrong day - as I can't set it biweekly. | 23:19 | |
| SpeedEvil | (well - taking out bin) | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | still we managed to get a atd replacement for Openmoko, which btw is even more unforgiving to non adapted software due to the real suspend it enters | 23:20 |
| Corsac | inet6 addr: fe80::2bd:3aff:fee5:a1a7/64 Scope:Link | 23:20 |
| Corsac | \o/ | 23:20 |
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| cehteh | SpeedEvil: lol :P | 23:20 |
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| jebba | hey Stskeeps :) | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: not saying it's not possible :P | 23:21 |
| * jebba perusing http://wiki.maemo.org/Open_development/Licensing_change_requests | 23:21 | |
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| Stskeeps | jebba: cool | 23:22 |
| Stskeeps | i have like 6 old bugs to process tomorrow, but let's get this machine rolling :) | 23:22 |
| Corsac | PING www.kame.net (2001:200:0:8002:203:47ff:fea5:3085): 56 data bytes | 23:22 |
| Corsac | 64 bytes from 2001:200:0:8002:203:47ff:fea5:3085: seq=0 ttl=58 time=383.728 ms | 23:22 |
| Corsac | \o/ | 23:22 |
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| Corsac | and midori shows the dancing turtle | 23:23 |
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| Corsac | erf, iproute needs libgcc1 >= 4.4 or 4.3, maemo has 4.2 | 23:25 |
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| Corsac | one more thing to rebuild :) | 23:26 |
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| crashanddie | Oh well there you go, I think I'm setting a first | 23:29 |
| crashanddie | I just told an Intel employee he was arrogant and rude on a public mailing list | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | are you saying the RPM vs DEB discussion didn't sink low enough? | 23:29 |
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| crashanddie | I took a side from the RPM v Deb discussion to put Auke back in his place | 23:30 |
| crashanddie | I won't let people call our debmaster a troll for no good reason | 23:30 |
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| frals | crashanddie: nice post on the meego-dev list | 23:36 |
| crashanddie | thanks | 23:37 |
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| * lardman just read the backlog | 23:40 | |
| lardman | :) | 23:40 |
| satmd | Corsac: if you wonder about microb and ipv6... defaults to disabled in about:config | 23:40 |
| * satmd also gives up building g_serial | 23:41 | |
| crashanddie | lardman: what time is it in the UK? | 23:41 |
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| trem | crashanddie: \o/ | 23:41 |
| lardman | 21:40 | 23:41 |
| satmd | 63 secs late | 23:41 |
| satmd | :p | 23:41 |
| * satmd runs | 23:41 | |
| lardman | well rounded to the nearest 10min ;) | 23:41 |
| Corsac | satmd: double thanks :) | 23:42 |
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| crashanddie | trem? | 23:42 |
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| cehteh | note to self: dont replace a plugin.so which is in use | 23:45 |
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| lardman | also don't try overwriting /bin/sh | 23:46 |
| lardman | what happened to that chap, did he come back? | 23:46 |
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| lardman | hmm, scrolling through nick list to see if I could see his, and I see someone's called ponyofdeath | 23:47 |
| lardman | interesting | 23:47 |
| crashanddie | OMG! PONIES | 23:48 |
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| crashanddie | anyway, /me gets ready to go to work | 23:48 |
| crashanddie | lardman: how does that feel eh? | 23:49 |
| crashanddie | lardman: you're getting drunk, I'm getting in the shower. | 23:49 |
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| lardman | crashanddie: nah, no drinking tonight | 23:49 |
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| crashanddie | what? Why not? | 23:50 |
| lardman | and as I was working from home I only showered about 6h ago too | 23:50 |
| crashanddie | How's the wife doing btw? | 23:50 |
| lardman | fine thanks, we've decided we should cut back during the week and blow our entire alcohol allowed units at the weekend | 23:50 |
| lardman | bingedrinking, I think the gov is recommending it now | 23:50 |
| lardman | :) | 23:50 |
| lardman | I take it your office is now un-flooded? | 23:51 |
| crashanddie | we've been moved to the 8th floor apparently | 23:51 |
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| lardman | hmm, would be a big flood there then :) | 23:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | and issued water-wings/ | 23:51 |
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| crashanddie | You know that Government-citisen SMS alert system they always gloat about? | 23:51 |
| crashanddie | (which btw is something that should've existed 10 years ago?) | 23:52 |
| lardman | When I was working in Switzerland I lived in a block of flats next to a river downstream from a damn, there was a big siren that might go off at any time and you had iirc 1min to get downstairs (4 stories) across the carpark and up a hill on the other side | 23:52 |
| crashanddie | downstream a damn? | 23:52 |
| lardman | anyway, your 8th floor thing reminded me | 23:52 |
| lardman | downstream of a damn | 23:52 |
| crashanddie | muscle memory kicking in there :P | 23:52 |
| lardman | :) | 23:53 |
| lardman | oops, dam, indeed | 23:53 |
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| crashanddie | Well, let's just say that they kinda use it (that SMS system) also to tell governments employees if it's safe to come to work or not | 23:53 |
| crashanddie | which -- considering we're all contractors -- is just a way to save money | 23:54 |
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| lardman | surely they save money by you turning up anyway? | 23:54 |
| lardman | or do they then get sued if you down in the flood? | 23:54 |
| lardman | s/down/drown | 23:55 |
| crashanddie | idunno | 23:55 |
| lardman | bloody hell, perhaps I need a drink | 23:55 |
| lardman | might improve the spelling :) | 23:55 |
| crashanddie | yeah, I recommend a good old lemoncelli! | 23:55 |
| lardman | is that alcoholic? | 23:55 |
| crashanddie | yeah :) | 23:56 |
| crashanddie | sorry, lemoncello | 23:56 |
| lardman | I'll ask my Italian officemates about that, sounds like it comes from their neck of the woods | 23:56 |
| lardman | now you're talking about yellow instruments | 23:57 |
| ShadowJK | Government-approved binge-drinking :D | 23:57 |
| ShadowJK | iirc last time they tried to raise alcohol prices in russia they ended up with the Red Army rolling in the tanks and shooting at the russian White House | 23:58 |
| crashanddie | lardman: or amaretto di saronno | 23:58 |
| lardman | well all the rules are about average consumption ;) | 23:58 |
| lardman | ShadowJK: lol | 23:58 |
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| lardman | crashanddie: yuck, not fond of that almondy stuff | 23:58 |
| lardman | tho Holly loves it | 23:58 |
| crashanddie | then she's a good gal, and you're a propper english bastard :P | 23:59 |
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| Milo- | anyone know what type of proximity sensor n900 has? (inductive, capacitive? magnetic? radar? sonar?) | 23:59 |
| lardman | probably true, except I'm half Australian too :p | 23:59 |
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