| SplasPood | heh, MMS notifications seem to lag the hell out of the phone :) | 00:01 |
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| Arif | pff | 00:02 |
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| Arif | people use mms? | 00:02 |
| |R | are the hoops and socer frenzy games worth it? You can't even get a demo ... | 00:02 |
| SplasPood | Arif: heh, my mother does :) | 00:02 |
| Arif | It never looked appealing to me | 00:03 |
| Arif | for €0,50 a message | 00:03 |
| Arif | :p | 00:03 |
| pwnguin | Arif: based on the mms leaks a few years ago, yes, but mostly real estate agents | 00:03 |
| SplasPood | oh, well it doesn't cost me any more | 00:03 |
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| pwnguin | or someone else who thinks a picture of a house is worth sending | 00:03 |
| pwnguin | directions maybe? | 00:03 |
| Arif | take a picture>press share>press tinypic>send link via msn/mail==free mms \o/ | 00:03 |
| pwnguin | take a picture, click sharing by email option | 00:04 |
| pwnguin | done | 00:04 |
| Arif | that might also work | 00:04 |
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| Arif | most people around me don't have their mail set up on their phones though ;( | 00:04 |
| Arif | since MSN/Facebook is offered for free that's the prefered way to communicate :D | 00:05 |
| pwnguin | they have msn though? | 00:05 |
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| Arif | Yeah, or the crackberry stuff | 00:06 |
| Arif | oo, the led on the lower right of the N900 has different colors :D | 00:06 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:06 |
| pwnguin | three colors | 00:07 |
| pwnguin | in varying proportions | 00:07 |
| Arif | I only saw orange pulsing for charging and now it's green | 00:07 |
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| Arif | nn trem ;o | 00:07 |
| pwnguin | blue means there's a notification | 00:07 |
| Arif | I don't have a sim yet =( | 00:07 |
| Arif | I'm getting it friday :D | 00:07 |
| v13 | The 1.000.000€ question: Anyone succeeded with making cdbs use python 2.5 instead of 2.3 ? | 00:07 |
| pwnguin | email counts as a message | 00:08 |
| pwnguin | email/sms/IM are all blue | 00:08 |
| pwnguin | and probably missed call | 00:08 |
| Arif | heh | 00:08 |
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| Arif | they should serperate all that | 00:08 |
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| pwnguin | meh. | 00:08 |
| pwnguin | it's all the same | 00:08 |
| Arif | or at least calls/messages | 00:08 |
| mece | ouff.. the Harmattan on N900 thread is _heavy_ | 00:08 |
| Arif | find the useful posts and start a new thread! | 00:09 |
| * v13 desperate: heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp :-) | 00:09 | |
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| mece | Arif, well there's one. | 00:10 |
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| * Arif hands v13 a cookie | 00:10 | |
| v13 | thanks :) | 00:10 |
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| Arif | mece, telling you to buy the next device? :P | 00:10 |
| mece | Arif, No, a somewhat comforting post from Quim: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=506273&postcount=686 | 00:11 |
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| mece | Arif, I don't care about navigating, and I'm not particularly interested in harmattan atm, so It's all the same to me, but I do like to have more stuff for my dear Pumpkin | 00:12 |
| Arif | I'll buy the next device anyway | 00:12 |
| Arif | so it doesn't matter too much to me | 00:13 |
| mece | I'll have to see. | 00:13 |
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| mece | I've been hearing the word capacitive a little too much lately.. | 00:13 |
| Arif | I don't like capacitive | 00:14 |
| Arif | it's _too_ sensitive | 00:14 |
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| mece | capacitive does not go well with civilization for example... | 00:14 |
| Arif | oh | 00:14 |
| Arif | I don't like RTS | 00:14 |
| lbt | or women with fingernails | 00:14 |
| mece | RTS? | 00:14 |
| lbt | or men with fingernails | 00:14 |
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| Arif | civilization is an RTS last time I played it :O | 00:14 |
| mece | whats rts? | 00:15 |
| Arif | real time strategy | 00:15 |
| mece | no, civ is a turne based strategy | 00:15 |
| mece | turn | 00:15 |
| Arif | even worse :! | 00:15 |
| * Arif doesn't have the patience for those things :( | 00:15 | |
| mece | OMG warlords! | 00:15 |
| mece | There has to be an sdl warlords clone out there... | 00:16 |
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| Arif | I only want a "Share" option in the media player context menu | 00:16 |
| Arif | and then I'm all set :D | 00:16 |
| * Arif isn't a demanding user :) | 00:17 | |
| mece | :) | 00:18 |
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| Arif | oh and portrait mode for the media player | 00:19 |
| Arif | I want to change songs with one hand :D | 00:19 |
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| Sandman | I heard that Wesnoth was awailable for Maemo :) | 00:20 |
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| mece | Oh yesh! LordsAWar, a Worlords 2 clone. Requires gtkmm >= 2.4 libglademm >= 2.4 SDL >= 1.2 libsigc++ >= 2.0 libgnet >= 2.0 | 00:21 |
| mece | do we have that? | 00:21 |
| Arif | oh great, the channel went from English to Linuxish | 00:21 |
| Arif | :P | 00:21 |
| * SpeedEvil hits Arif with a stuffed penguin. | 00:22 | |
| * Arif throws a quince at SpeedEvil | 00:22 | |
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| SpeedEvil | An electron or a neutrino-quince? | 00:23 |
| Arif | the edible one | 00:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I have several small ones in the kitchen. | 00:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure what do do with them. | 00:23 |
| Arif | eat them? | 00:23 |
| Arif | that's what I usually do with them | 00:24 |
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| Arif | and there hasn't ben an unusual moment =D | 00:24 |
| SpeedEvil | I was assuming for some reason they were usually cooked. | 00:24 |
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| mece | grr argh! I get "configure: error: *** SDL_mixer is not installed or has not been compiled *** with ogg vorbis support" eventhough I have all the libsdl-mixer packages... | 00:28 |
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| Solpete_n900 | gah pulseaudio! | 00:29 |
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| tripzero | anyone know if maemo uses gpsd and if so, does maemo allow the user to turn on/off the gps radio? | 00:32 |
| SpeedEvil | no, yes | 00:32 |
| tripzero | what does maemo use if not gpsd? | 00:33 |
| tripzero | gypsy? | 00:33 |
| Arif | I never cook quinces | 00:33 |
| Arif | ! | 00:33 |
| SpeedEvil | location-daemon | 00:33 |
| SpeedEvil | or something | 00:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's a nokia thing | 00:33 |
| tripzero | closed? | 00:33 |
| SpeedEvil | the GPS is connected to the phone modem | 00:33 |
| SpeedEvil | not the main CPU | 00:33 |
| Arif | you can disable location in the settings but no idea what that does to the GPS radio itself... | 00:33 |
| tripzero | oh okay | 00:33 |
| Arif | o.o | 00:33 |
| SpeedEvil | so all comms go through the phone modem bit | 00:33 |
| SpeedEvil | It only powers it up when needed | 00:33 |
| Arif | oh wow | 00:34 |
| Arif | the FM receiver is great! | 00:34 |
| Arif | way better than the N95's with the same earphones | 00:34 |
| Arif | I love this device more with every feature I try and actually manage to get it to work :P | 00:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 00:35 |
| Arif | I couldn't get qtirreco to work though :( | 00:35 |
| Arif | I downloaded a remote but the screen's kinda blank :O | 00:35 |
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| Solpete_n900 | what to do what to do | 00:39 |
| Arif | write an N900 app that makes Turkish tea? =P | 00:39 |
| tripzero | heh, my bro wants me to make an app that makes Mate | 00:39 |
| tripzero | Argentine tea-like substance... | 00:40 |
| Arif | lol | 00:40 |
| Arif | one timble worth a charge should be enough for emergencies | 00:40 |
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| Saviq | hi, anyone got Maemo 5 SDK running on openSUSE 11.2? The scratchbox installed fine but I can't get the runtime going, getting "mmap: Permission Denied" errors even though I've set /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr to 4096 | 00:46 |
| Saviq | there's no /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled on openSUSE | 00:47 |
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| mtd | anyone have a gst-launch pipeline to go from matroska to xvimagesink, by any chance? | 00:48 |
| mece | damns, I ran into a problem I don't know how to fix. I get complaints about missing directory error: *** Can't find directory /usr/include/boost | 00:49 |
| mece | I'm guessing boost is some package, but which one? | 00:49 |
| Saviq | mtd: do you only need video or audio, too? do you need a complete pipeline or are playbin/decodebin | 00:50 |
| Saviq | ok | 00:50 |
| mece | woo! libbost1.38-dev :) | 00:51 |
| mtd | Saviq: just the video would be fine for now | 00:51 |
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| mtd | Saviq: the media centre is refusing to play any video if I try to play an mkv file, and so I want to see whether gst can play the mkv file (and meida player is the problem) or something else. | 00:51 |
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| t-tan | v13: python problem solved? | 00:52 |
| Saviq | mtd: in that case: gst-launch playbin uri=file:///path/to/your/file.mkv | 00:52 |
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| Saviq | mtd or playbin2 | 00:52 |
| mtd | Saviq: yeah, tried that :( | 00:53 |
| mtd | Saviq: thanks | 00:53 |
| Saviq | mtd: errors? | 00:53 |
| mtd | Saviq: it doesn't work even on the nokia-provided .mp4 | 00:53 |
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| mtd | Saviq: pastie coming... | 00:53 |
| mtd | Saviq: http://pastebin.com/m6ba25fdd | 00:54 |
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| v13 | t-tant-tan: no | 00:55 |
| mtd | Saviq: aha, playbin2 works on the 9.mp4 file... | 00:55 |
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| gouverneur | Arif: you've to add buttons to the blank screen with edit remote or something, if it is still devel you just eat 20MB of your root partition... | 00:55 |
| v13 | t-tan: any ideas / | 00:55 |
| v13 | t? | 00:55 |
| Saviq | mtd: try in #gstreamer, too | 00:55 |
| mtd | Saviq: but not on the mkv file :( | 00:55 |
| mtd | Saviq: thanks | 00:56 |
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| t-tan | v13: take a look at my ipython port in extras-devel | 00:56 |
| v13 | xm.. | 00:57 |
| v13 | you use cdbs ? | 00:57 |
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| t-tan | v13: for ipython, yes. why? | 00:58 |
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| v13 | because that's what I'm looking for :) | 00:59 |
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| v13 | xmm.. i see some magic in debian/rules. | 00:59 |
| t-tan | v13: if you want debhelper7, check out the mercurial port | 00:59 |
| v13 | no.. i want cdbs | 00:59 |
| t-tan | v13: yes, basically the last few lines after clean: | 01:00 |
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| t-tan | v13: and the cdbs_python_current_binary | 01:00 |
| v13 | cdbs_python_current_binary := $(shell pyversions -d) | 01:00 |
| v13 | this solves the 2.3 problem ? | 01:00 |
| t-tan | v13: yes, if you reuse the last lines it's guaranteed | 01:01 |
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| v13 | the: python-build-stamp-%: ? | 01:01 |
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| t-tan | v13: yes, and the rest | 01:02 |
| v13 | hm... | 01:02 |
| v13 | correct me if i'm wrong, but you seem to screw cdbs and do it yourself. right ? | 01:02 |
| t-tan | v13: it's a copy and paste from a working cdbs file, the autobuilder one seems to be broken | 01:03 |
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| yoyo | hi all | 01:06 |
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| pupnik | i should do a daily #maemo digest | 01:08 |
| v13 | t-tan: does this reflect any memories? : . && python2.5 setup.py build --build-base="/home/maemo/dev/wifieye/wifieye-0.2.0/./build" | 01:09 |
| v13 | if not i'll look it myself. i get an error for it | 01:09 |
| yoyo | anyone here successfully using m.google.com exchange? | 01:10 |
| t-tan | v13: looks good. what's the error? | 01:10 |
| v13 | there is no "." :) | 01:10 |
| v13 | /scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 1: .: filename argument required | 01:11 |
| t-tan | pupnik: yes, please! | 01:11 |
| t-tan | v13: cd $(DEB_SRCDIR) && | 01:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm. | 01:11 |
| v13 | ? | 01:11 |
| SpeedEvil | 'pdf reader' is moderately broken | 01:11 |
| t-tan | v13: did you forget the "cd" | 01:11 |
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| v13 | arg | 01:12 |
| SpeedEvil | No way to zoom to arbitrary zooms | 01:12 |
| v13 | how did i do that? :) | 01:12 |
| v13 | it's getting late here :) | 01:12 |
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| sar3th | v13: 00:12 here ;) | 01:12 |
| v13 | 01:12 here :) | 01:12 |
| v13 | YES!!! | 01:13 |
| t-tan | copy & waste | 01:13 |
| v13 | t-tan: THANKS!!! | 01:13 |
| pupnik | t-tan question is what filter criteria would be consistent and sensible | 01:13 |
| t-tan | pupnik: some kind of thread structure would be nice | 01:14 |
| pupnik | maybe include general tips/tricks/hints and any development solutions | 01:14 |
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| v13 | t-tan you're a member of pymaemo ? | 01:15 |
| t-tan | v13: not yet | 01:15 |
| v13 | oh :) | 01:15 |
| t-tan | v13: good luck with wifieye! :) | 01:15 |
| v13 | thanks :) | 01:15 |
| v13 | is python-qt4-* available for i386 ? | 01:15 |
| t-tan | pupnik: it seems that many people don't know about #maemo-devel | 01:16 |
| v13 | "Package python-qt4-core is not available, but is referred to by another package." | 01:16 |
| t-tan | or do we need #maemo-users? | 01:16 |
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| v13 | t-tan: FWIW: I ask in maemo-devel, it seems that there are more ppl in #maemo | 01:17 |
| pupnik | channel ##N900 isnt taking off | 01:17 |
| * v13 dumb | 01:17 | |
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| * v13 just found (for the third time) python2.5-qt4 | 01:17 | |
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| t-tan | pupnik: a single channel for everything could work if we can somehow filter and digest the chats | 01:19 |
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| VDVsx | GAN900, ping | 01:20 |
| pupnik | it would be grabbing the log and editing it daily and posting somewhere | 01:20 |
| pupnik | no automation possible | 01:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, pong? | 01:21 |
| v13 | is it possible to use sudo in scratchbox ? | 01:21 |
| v13 | "fakeroot sudo" says: sudo: /etc/sudoers is owned by uid 1000, should be 0 | 01:21 |
| pupnik | hw about su | 01:21 |
| v13 | i need sudo for a program. | 01:21 |
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| pupnik | or su -c "command" | 01:22 |
| Jophish_n900 | Howdy all | 01:22 |
| v13 | and if i change /etc/sudoers, update-sudoers will fail | 01:22 |
| pupnik | sudo is ubuntu | 01:22 |
| t-tan | pupnik: that would be great! how about integrating it with MWN? | 01:22 |
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| pupnik | t-tan maybe.. i wouldnt want to add comments.. just group discussions together and post them | 01:23 |
| sar3th | btw, http://sar3th.pastebin.com/m15b85a03 , any suggestions? | 01:23 |
| pupnik | more info pls | 01:23 |
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| sar3th | pupnik: compiling gcc | 01:24 |
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| pupnik | "Leavong directory"? heh. | 01:25 |
| sar3th | oh, typo :-[ | 01:25 |
| sar3th | i had to type it out manually since it's running in my vm | 01:25 |
| pupnik | oh wow | 01:26 |
| t-tan | sar3th: qemu crashed. just use my binaries from http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Tanner#experimental_packages | 01:26 |
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| sar3th | quemu crash? :S | 01:27 |
| sar3th | *qemu | 01:27 |
| luke-jr | you need to run it with a specific CPU option | 01:27 |
| luke-jr | whatever the default is is wacky | 01:27 |
| sar3th | oh :| | 01:27 |
| pupnik | nice stuff t-tan ty | 01:27 |
| t-tan | the qemu in scratchbox is old and buggy | 01:27 |
| sar3th | t-tan: does compiling the current version solve the problems then? | 01:28 |
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| t-tan | sar3th: I don't know. you'd have to integrate it with sb | 01:28 |
| sar3th | :| | 01:29 |
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| sar3th | i was hoping i could compile it in sb ^^ | 01:29 |
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| mtd | Saviq: thanks for the help, btw. #gstreamer helped guess that the x264 encoding was wrong and that's helped playbin2 play the file | 01:29 |
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| mtd | s/and that's/and correcting that slight oversight has/ | 01:30 |
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| t-tan | sar3th: you mean compiling qemu or gcc? | 01:32 |
| sar3th | t-tan: in this case, qemu | 01:32 |
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| v13 | t-tan: I've two questions for you: a) are .py compiled using this method? | 01:33 |
| t-tan | sar3th: the qemu used for arm emulation is not accessible from within sb | 01:33 |
| v13 | (at installation time). I'm asking because there are no .pyo in their dirs in scratchbox's installation | 01:33 |
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| t-tan | v13: yes, .pyc by python-support on the device (AFAIK) | 01:34 |
| v13 | k. | 01:34 |
| v13 | second, what's your name? :) | 01:34 |
| sar3th | t-tan: that means, it needs to be compiled on the host system and then integrated into scratchbox, so ./configure --prefix=/scratchbox won't do the trick, right? | 01:34 |
| v13 | (for the thanks :) | 01:34 |
| t-tan | sar3th: probably not. I guess the also integrated some sb specific patches - but if you find a way to upgrade qemu or the devkits that would awesome! | 01:36 |
| t-tan | v13: you're welcome | 01:36 |
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| sar3th | thanks t-tan, i will try that later :) | 01:37 |
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| v13 | bb && gn | 01:37 |
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| t-tan | me too :) | 01:38 |
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| Sandman | shit.. just saw an article on Maemo 6. Are Nokia planning to put in DRM-based software? Then i really will think if i will buy that N900. Also i am not to found of KDE and QT. I am a Gnome/GTK player | 01:46 |
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| Arkenoi | No DRM is really possible if you have root ;-) | 01:48 |
| Sandman | I was seriously hovering my finger above the buy button... i have moved my hand away now... | 01:48 |
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| * zash gives Arkenoi a locked box with a cookie inside, and a key for the lock | 01:49 | |
| zash | Arkenoi: you may only smell the cookie | 01:49 |
| zash | no eating! | 01:49 |
| Sandman | Yeah.. but the chance that the better software will be DRM is huge | 01:50 |
| luke-jr | Arkenoi: nonsense :) | 01:50 |
| zerojay | Sandman: DRM's going to be in Maemo 6 so that content providers will even remotely sniff at the Maemo devices. | 01:51 |
| Sandman | The point for me chosing Maemo is purely that it is the most free OS. | 01:51 |
| luke-jr | Sandman: what does Maemo 6 have to do with N900 anyhow? :P | 01:51 |
| mavhc | just lie to the content people, they're retarded anyway | 01:52 |
| luke-jr | Sandman: arguably Android is more free. | 01:52 |
| jebba | Arkenoi: ya, they are doing DRM. Was keynote speech at FOSDEM. | 01:52 |
| luke-jr | Sandman: Gentoo can be as free as your device permits. | 01:52 |
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| Sandman | No.. but if Maemo will get less free then i am not sure why i would chose Maemo | 01:53 |
| zerojay | Who said it's getting less free? | 01:53 |
| Sandman | Well the DRM part | 01:53 |
| crashanddie | Arkenoi: DRM will be possible | 01:53 |
| luke-jr | zerojay: DRM implies less free, to some degree | 01:53 |
| zerojay | DRM doesn't mean the entire system's locked down. | 01:53 |
| crashanddie | no it doesn't | 01:53 |
| zerojay | And no, it doesn't. | 01:53 |
| crashanddie | I can show you full free implementations of DRM which are 100% free and open | 01:53 |
| Sandman | Yes.. but some software will be | 01:53 |
| crashanddie | no it doesn't | 01:54 |
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| luke-jr | Sandman: not if you stick to free software | 01:54 |
| crashanddie | for fuck's sake, do some research before you slam a technology | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sandman, you don't have to use DRM. | 01:54 |
| crashanddie | DRM isn't bad, the most prolific implementations of DRM are | 01:54 |
| Sandman | What is the point with DRM? | 01:54 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: perhaps you mean TDM, not DRM | 01:54 |
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| zerojay | I'm not a fan of DRM, but there's nothing that can be done about that if you want to have the content providers and the commercial app makers and game companies doing business on your platform. | 01:54 |
| crashanddie | TDM? | 01:54 |
| zerojay | Sandman: To protect their investment in your platform. | 01:54 |
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| luke-jr | crashanddie: TDM is the technology used to implement DRM | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sandman, just don't buy for-pay software and you don't have to deal with DRM. | 01:55 |
| zerojay | Exactly. | 01:55 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: nha | 01:55 |
| Sandman | I would not mind Game developers using DRM... for me it's the programs | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/MaemoSecurity | 01:55 |
| luke-jr | DRM is the implementation that gives someoneElse control of your computer | 01:55 |
| * crashanddie facepalms | 01:55 | |
| konfoo | haha | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sandman, besides, the security framework isn't coming until to Maemo 6. | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sandman, you do realize that the framework itself will be open source, right? | 01:56 |
| zerojay | luke-jr: DRM is the implementation that gives someoneElse control over their own content. | 01:56 |
| Sandman | well.. Maemo have a lot of plus... but this was a minus to the protocol | 01:56 |
| crashanddie | protocol? | 01:56 |
| Sandman | yes, i know | 01:56 |
| crashanddie | please start making sense | 01:56 |
| jebba | GeneralAntilles: i doubt the whole framework will be open source. They'll have to open fiasco-gen and such then, methinks. | 01:57 |
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| crashanddie | jebba: not really | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sandman, why is it a minus? If you don't want to use DRM, then don't. | 01:57 |
| crashanddie | jebba: they could do it the same way that for example, blackberry does it | 01:57 |
| jebba | i dont know how blackberry does it | 01:57 |
| luke-jr | zerojay: by controlling your computer | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sandman, it's completely optional. | 01:57 |
| sar3th | <mavhc> just lie to the content people, they're retarded anyway <-- i agree XD | 01:57 |
| Sandman | Well if i want a program. I want it | 01:57 |
| zerojay | luke-jr: No. | 01:58 |
| crashanddie | where you package the application, but have it signed using your keys by the Blackberry CA (you login to the app with your keys, the blackberry CA signs it) | 01:58 |
| luke-jr | Sandman: so write it | 01:58 |
| konfoo | oh you really think the content people are retarded? | 01:58 |
| Sandman | If it's DRM i would not touch it | 01:58 |
| crashanddie | Sandman: read the wiki | 01:58 |
| konfoo | the content people hire consultants to tell them if a particular drm technology works or not | 01:58 |
| crashanddie | Sandman: if you buy an unlocked device, there will be no restrictions, you will be able to load any kernel and any app you want | 01:58 |
| konfoo | *cough* | 01:58 |
| N900evil | or believe adobe | 01:59 |
| luke-jr | Sandman: DRM = SomeoneElse controls your computer to stop you from doing what is already illegal to do under Copyright Law | 01:59 |
| Sandman | yeah, that is the positive of Maemo, crash | 01:59 |
| konfoo | luke-jr: please stop the bs | 01:59 |
| N900evil | though in some places adobes name is mud. | 01:59 |
| jebba | crashanddie: well, n900 is "unlocked"? They can take that away in a second (and did for a month) with the proprietary flasher and such. The fiasco-gen fiasco shows just how easily they can close the openness. | 01:59 |
| * zerojay sighs. | 01:59 | |
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| crashanddie | Sandman: if you buy a device that is paid for mainly by a mobile operator, then they get to choose what goes on your device. Simple as that. Don't want that? Pay extra. Don't want that? DON'T BUY IT | 02:00 |
| mavhc | konfoo: so they always reply "this doesn't work"? | 02:00 |
| crashanddie | jebba: i'm not even going to reply to that | 02:01 |
| konfoo | which content people have you lied to and gotten approval for drm tech on? | 02:01 |
| konfoo | give me a list then | 02:01 |
| konfoo | name some studios and technologies | 02:01 |
| jebba | crashanddie: uh? | 02:01 |
| crashanddie | konfoo: ever heard of non-disclosure? | 02:01 |
| mavhc | well, every drm doesn't work, so all of them | 02:01 |
| zerojay | Can I get a few people to test out and vote on adflashblock-css? | 02:01 |
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| konfoo | *all* drm relies on obfuscation when it is deployed on a device that is not secure | 02:02 |
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| Sandman | Freedom of software are important for me. DRM might halt the evolution. | 02:02 |
| konfoo | however if you control the device, that's another story | 02:02 |
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| crashanddie | Sandman: if you believe that, you don't understand the principle | 02:02 |
| crashanddie | Sandman: go read the wiki about maemo security | 02:02 |
| crashanddie | ~security | 02:02 |
| infobot | Security is way over rated, Heck I imagine you still run windows on your regular PC don't lecture about security | 02:02 |
| crashanddie | ~maemosecurity | 02:03 |
| luke-jr | Sandman: if freedom of software is important to you, then why do you demand to use non-free software? ;) | 02:03 |
| GAN900 | lol | 02:03 |
| GAN900 | Let's play spot the trolls, kids! | 02:03 |
| crashanddie | that quote form infobot is pretty good actually | 02:03 |
| * zerojay ^5's GAN900 | 02:03 | |
| Sandman | well.. i want to use all the good software | 02:03 |
| Sandman | like i do now on Linux | 02:03 |
| luke-jr | Sandman: the DRM'd software simply won't exist if there's no DRM. | 02:04 |
| tripzero | i like chicken | 02:04 |
| Sandman | why should a telephone be different'? | 02:04 |
| konfoo | useless debate | 02:04 |
| zerojay | luke-jr: Exactly. | 02:04 |
| crashanddie | Sandman: do you own a maemo device? | 02:04 |
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| zerojay | Sandman: Don't worry. The ability to run free software on Maemo isn't disappearing. | 02:04 |
| Sandman | No, but i am a potential buyer.. i adding the plus and minus | 02:04 |
| luke-jr | zerojay: that ability has never existed | 02:04 |
| crashanddie | Sandman: then stop trolling | 02:05 |
| zerojay | luke-jr: Right... you and your delusions. | 02:05 |
| konfoo | haha | 02:05 |
| konfoo | wow | 02:05 |
| Sandman | how can a valid question be trolling? | 02:05 |
| crashanddie | Sandman: because you're ignoring what we're saying | 02:05 |
| crashanddie | it's like walking to a friggin wall | 02:05 |
| crashanddie | either you ask questions and you listen to the replies you get, or you don't ask 'em | 02:06 |
| Sandman | i have not | 02:06 |
| crashanddie | ... my point exactly | 02:06 |
| konfoo | crashanddie: s/like// | 02:06 |
| luke-jr | Sandman: #FreeHandheld might be of interest | 02:06 |
| Sandman | DRM is not free... and i like it to be free | 02:06 |
| konfoo | go take your neighbor's car then | 02:07 |
| konfoo | wouldnt you like that to be free too? | 02:07 |
| konfoo | (unless its a pos) | 02:07 |
| crashanddie | or a holden | 02:07 |
| luke-jr | Sandman: DRM is not free. proprietary is not free. but they exist. | 02:07 |
| crashanddie | they'd have to pay me to steal it | 02:07 |
| Sandman | immatriell things are not the same as materiel | 02:07 |
| crashanddie | no, definitely not | 02:08 |
| Sandman | yeah, i know luke | 02:08 |
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| crashanddie | you added a bunch of letters to the second word | 02:08 |
| crashanddie | so they're not the same | 02:08 |
| konfoo | haha | 02:08 |
| mavhc | so there's no drm today, and in the future there may be, who's forcing you to upgrade? | 02:08 |
| konfoo | and if you upgrade, who's forcing you to download drm-based content? | 02:09 |
| crashanddie | Sandman: please stop trolling | 02:09 |
| luke-jr | it can be argued that simply lack of source is a form of DRM | 02:09 |
| crashanddie | Sandman: second time I ask you | 02:09 |
| luke-jr | so there is DRM today too :) | 02:09 |
| Sandman | crash.. the only one trolling is you | 02:09 |
| crashanddie | fair enough | 02:09 |
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| konfoo | hes the only one talking sense | 02:09 |
| konfoo | the rest of you are insane | 02:09 |
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| zerojay | Don't. | 02:09 |
| zerojay | Please. | 02:09 |
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| luke-jr | .. | 02:10 |
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| luke-jr | lol? | 02:10 |
| * luke-jr wonders if that was intentional or just FAIL... | 02:10 | |
| Sandman | well.. android just got more intresting by this | 02:12 |
| luke-jr | Sandman: the problem with Android is that it reinvents everything | 02:13 |
| jebba | can you change bootloader & kernel etc on android? | 02:13 |
| Mousey | Sandman: don't forget WebOS! | 02:13 |
| zerojay | Doesn't Android have DRM too? | 02:13 |
| Mousey | ^_^ | 02:13 |
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| luke-jr | jebba: bootloader is not part of Android | 02:13 |
| Sandman | don't know | 02:13 |
| Sandman | i am still learning | 02:13 |
| jebba | what bootloader does it use then? gotta use something | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sandman, if you're thinking Android is a more open platform Maemo you're deluded. | 02:14 |
| luke-jr | jebba: the phones use various bootloaders, but I don't think there's anything consistnet | 02:14 |
| Sandman | i am not... but if nothing is free why bother | 02:14 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: it is, with some phones | 02:14 |
| luke-jr | supposedly | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, open isn't just code. | 02:14 |
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| luke-jr | if you can replace componentX, then componentX is irrelevant :p | 02:15 |
| Sandman | how well will Ubuntu work on a N900? | 02:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~mer | 02:16 |
| infobot | mer is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer | 02:16 |
| luke-jr | Mer != Ubuntu | 02:16 |
| Sandman | yeah.. Mer could be something | 02:16 |
| * b-man17 is working on getting a bootable version of ubuntu lucid going on the N900 | 02:16 | |
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| jebba | i have fedora going OK. | 02:16 |
| Sandman | cool! | 02:16 |
| jebba | Can't recharge the fukin battery though. Totally lame. | 02:16 |
| jebba | i've been trying to get ofono going for hours, but no go so far. | 02:17 |
| b-man17 | although lucid has some serious bugs with apt and dpkg :( | 02:17 |
| Sandman | lucid is in aplpha ;) | 02:17 |
| b-man17 | hence why ;) | 02:17 |
| Sandman | i am rinning it on my computer | 02:17 |
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| Sandman | most works good... though grub faild me once | 02:18 |
| Sandman | and had to be reinstalled | 02:18 |
| Sandman | Lucid is the shit! | 02:18 |
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| luke-jr | Sandman: btw, Ubuntu supports DRM | 02:19 |
| Sandman | I know | 02:19 |
| b-man17 | it seems that the apt/dpkg bug is only specific to the arm version | 02:19 |
| Aethaeryn | Sandman: Iirc, the reason Android can't install apps onto the MicroSD card is because Google is still working on DRM to prevent you from pirating via the SD card, or something like that. So don't think Android is "pure" if you hate DRM. | 02:19 |
| b-man17 | Luke-jr: so? :P | 02:19 |
| * b-man17 doesnt touch drm | 02:20 | |
| Sandman | No, i would like to keep me off android | 02:20 |
| zerojay | DRM just touches you in your no-no spot. | 02:20 |
| Aethaeryn | Sandman: It's also not a GNU/Linux implementation. Normally, I'm not a big proponent of calling Linux "GNU/Linux" but here it's pretty key. Yeah, Android uses the Linux kernel but it doesn't really use anything like a standard Linux distro. Maemo is more like a distro. | 02:20 |
| Sandman | i will probably go Mer or Ubuntu on the device | 02:20 |
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| b-man17 | zerojay: lol | 02:21 |
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| zerojay | lol | 02:21 |
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| Aethaeryn | Sandman: I'm not a big fan of Ubuntu, and them starting to default to Yahoo (Bing) for search is a big negative. | 02:21 |
| Sandman | yeah.. i hate that shit | 02:21 |
| crashanddie | Yahoo != Bing | 02:21 |
| crashanddie | Bing == Microsoft; Yahoo wasn't aquired | 02:21 |
| Sandman | i was close to change dist due to that | 02:22 |
| Aethaeryn | crashanddie: Google "Yahoo Bing" | 02:22 |
| Aethaeryn | Microsoft is making a deal with Yahoo, where basically Yahoo Search goes away in favor of Bing, and Yahoo returns to being mostly email/portal. | 02:22 |
| crashanddie | Aethaeryn: wow, three company names and the grammatical sense of your sentence is still correct! | 02:22 |
| Lumpio- | I'm gonna go google with Yahoo. | 02:23 |
| zerojay | I don't think I've been to a yahoo site in 10 years. | 02:23 |
| Sandman | gotta sleep.. later | 02:23 |
| zerojay | eh... guess Flickr counts. | 02:23 |
| crashanddie | Sandman: don't let the /quit hit you in the ass | 02:23 |
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| Sandman | grow up crash... | 02:24 |
| konfoo | man this place is gettin hostile | 02:24 |
| Aethaeryn | I used to have a Yahoo email, several hotmails (had them for forever so changed name multiple times as I grew up), and several Gmails. Now I just have a hotmail and a Gmail and I rarely check the hotmail. Oh, I also had a Netscape email I used several times because it came with AIM many years ago. | 02:24 |
| Aethaeryn | Gmail just has the best interface/storage solutions for free webmail, at least among the ones I've used. | 02:25 |
| crashanddie | Sandman: you've been ignoring everything I've been saying. All the arguments I've provided you flew past. The only thing is you can't go past the word "DRM", even though you're completely wrong about what it means for the platform and yourself | 02:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | konfoo, too many trolls. | 02:25 |
| crashanddie | Sandman: don't tell me to grow up, because as far as I'm concerned, at least I've understood what Maemo Security is about, and I'm contributing to it through my expertise and knowledge with regards to expertise and key distribution | 02:26 |
| konfoo | GeneralAntilles: i prefer to call them the insane/deranged | 02:26 |
| crashanddie | err, that second expertise should be "encryption" | 02:26 |
| Aethaeryn | crashanddie: The problem with DRM on things like music and movies is that the pirates just circumvent it, whereas legitimate users are locked down to one device and/or application. | 02:26 |
| crashanddie | Aethaeryn: that is only the case with poor implementations | 02:26 |
| Aethaeryn | So it basically becomes an incentive to pirate if there's DRM. | 02:26 |
| Sandman | No, crash.. you have been ignoring me. And you are true. I am noob when it comes to Maemo. Thats why i asked | 02:26 |
| Sandman | didn't think ppl would get upset | 02:27 |
| Aethaeryn | If there was some kind of universal DRM, I wouldn't mind, but most DRMs lock you down to iTunes and iDevices :P | 02:27 |
| crashanddie | Aethaeryn: a proper implementation that has an open algorithm is not bad at all, for it can be implemented on any device. Sure, it requires to have a new device, but you did buy a new blu ray player, or a new dvd player ten years ago, right? | 02:27 |
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| crashanddie | Aethaeryn: so why would it be any different now? | 02:27 |
| crashanddie | Aethaeryn: If I can offer you an algorithm, freely, that will allow you to securely decrypt the files you own, then where's the problem? | 02:28 |
| Aethaeryn | crashanddie: The one problem is if it requires a new computer, since computers are supposed to last for years... | 02:28 |
| crashanddie | it won't | 02:28 |
| Aethaeryn | But my point is, if I buy a book, a movie, or a song, I want to be able to use it anywhere, anytime, with any player/reader. | 02:28 |
| crashanddie | well, it may not run on the N900, but that's because the N900 doesn't have a HSM | 02:28 |
| crashanddie | Aethaeryn: I agree, and in order to achieve that we need to setup a standard encryption format | 02:29 |
| Aethaeryn | And I won't share on peer-to-peer networks, since I don't like sharing. | 02:29 |
| Aethaeryn | I'm selfish in that sense. If I paid $5, you should pay $5 too | 02:29 |
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| Aethaeryn | I just really don't like how basically DRM locks you to one vendor, device, or application | 02:30 |
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| crashanddie | yup | 02:30 |
| Aethaeryn | It would both need to be open and royalty-free, since you wouldn't want to exclude freeware or open source software. | 02:30 |
| pronto | yay, newegg is proccessing my replacement n900 ^_^ | 02:30 |
| crashanddie | agreed | 02:30 |
| Mousey | freeware isn't the same as free software | 02:31 |
| crashanddie | pronto: how long did it take? | 02:31 |
| Mousey | random clarification | 02:31 |
| pronto | it took a few days for it to get there | 02:31 |
| pronto | but once it got there, it seems to be going fast | 02:31 |
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| pronto | it was UPS ground from maryland to cali | 02:31 |
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| crashanddie | pronto: so... pronto presto? | 02:32 |
| pronto | huh? | 02:32 |
| Aethaeryn | pronto: Maryland is being hit with a major series of snowstorms that's crippled us for basically all week | 02:33 |
| pronto | ah | 02:33 |
| Aethaeryn | So if it's being shipped from Maryland, that's probably why there's problems. | 02:33 |
| pronto | i got it out the day before the first storm | 02:33 |
| pronto | lol | 02:33 |
| crashanddie | "pronto presto": ready soon | 02:33 |
| pronto | newegg got my n900 | 02:33 |
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| pronto | and is probally gonna ship the new one ina day or so | 02:33 |
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| Aethaeryn | Amazon has the N900 for $529.99, which is $20 cheaper than Newegg. | 02:34 |
| pronto | i had to RMA my n900 lol | 02:34 |
| pronto | the micro usb port broke on it | 02:34 |
| * Mousey wonders how hard it'll be to find the n810 now | 02:34 | |
| crashanddie | Mousey: I can sell you one | 02:35 |
| pronto | i ordered my n900 on jan 8th, it broke like feb 1st | 02:35 |
| Mousey | crashanddie: new in box? | 02:35 |
| crashanddie | Mousey: nha, well used | 02:35 |
| crashanddie | and abused | 02:35 |
| crashanddie | and without a pouch | 02:35 |
| crashanddie | nor charger | 02:35 |
| Mousey | had one like that already. need a new one | 02:35 |
| crashanddie | and the battery is a crap chinese one | 02:35 |
| crashanddie | (chinese wan?) | 02:36 |
| jebba | pronto: i had to do exact same thing. | 02:36 |
| pronto | i'm just happy newegg was cool about it | 02:36 |
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| jebba | ya, amazon processed return immediately | 02:37 |
| Aethaeryn | So is the successor for the n900 going to be the n910 or the n1000? | 02:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Rumor mill says N920 | 02:37 |
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| Aethaeryn | And would it have a 1 Ghz processor like most top-of-the-line phones rumored this year? | 02:38 |
| Aethaeryn | Actually, one phone's now rumored to have 1.5 Ghz | 02:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I find OMAP3630 more likely | 02:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | But you never know. | 02:39 |
| ShadowJK | Again, does anyone have benchmarks snapdragon vs omap3? or even snapdragon vs a8... | 02:41 |
| Aethaeryn | Why not OMAP3640? | 02:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Aethaeryn, power consumption? | 02:41 |
| pupnik | mhz wars in phones. o noes! | 02:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, don't, but I'd be very interested to see. | 02:41 |
| Aethaeryn | pupnik: Not mhz wars, ghz wars... keep up with the times :P | 02:41 |
| Aethaeryn | They're just starting to break the 1ghz barrier. | 02:42 |
| pupnik | ti should make one that does something useless at 2ghz | 02:42 |
| * Mousey holds out for the nSeries steno pad | 02:42 | |
| Aethaeryn | A dual core 2.x ghz one might in fact outpower my laptop | 02:42 |
| Aethaeryn | That would be scary. | 02:42 |
| Aethaeryn | Even with only 10 min of battery life | 02:42 |
| pupnik | Aethaeryn: it is wrong to look at mhz. that is where you will waste battery | 02:43 |
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| Aethaeryn | I'd look at Mhz and RAM, but for some reason RAM is a lot less publicized in phones than PCs | 02:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Aethaeryn, neither really tells you very much. | 02:44 |
| crashanddie | I'd look at the speed of the storage | 02:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Aethaeryn, for instance 512MB on Android aint quite the same as 512MB elsewhere. | 02:44 |
| crashanddie | boost the NAND speed enough and you don't need RAM :P | 02:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since Android tends towards RAM hungriness. | 02:44 |
| pupnik | id look at the speed of the apps and the battery life | 02:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'd look at the touchscreen technology. | 02:44 |
| Aethaeryn | Idk, I guess I'm too much of a geek... the first thing I look at in a phone is the raw horsepower | 02:45 |
| SpeedEvil | More practically - I'd really like a replacement for my toshiba Portege 3110ct. | 02:45 |
| SpeedEvil | 10" screen, 8h battery life, 1.1Kg, good keyboard with trackpoint | 02:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Aethaeryn, that's stupid. | 02:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | First thing I look for is that it's running the right software platform. | 02:45 |
| * ShadowJK suspects the 720 MHz version of the cpu in n900 uses more power than the 600MHz version, even when both run at 250 | 02:45 | |
| SpeedEvil | You don't care about raw horsepower. | 02:45 |
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| konfoo | .. and that it can make calls | 02:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Unless you're going to be running blender on it. | 02:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | A 2GHz quad-core Cortex A9 with a fuel cell doesn't help you if it's running WinMob. | 02:45 |
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| Aethaeryn | GeneralAntilles: And if you're looking for Maemo, you get... 1 current option? | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, 45 vs 60nm, though. | 02:46 |
| SpeedEvil | The software can make easily a 3 order of magnitude difference in performance. | 02:46 |
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| ShadowJK | oh i didnt know there was process difference | 02:46 |
| ShadowJK | higher leakage on 45nm I'd expect tho | 02:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Compare browsers forex. microb - 10s to render - lynx - .05s | 02:47 |
| SpeedEvil | (of course...) | 02:47 |
| sar3th | SpeedEvil: does gcc count, too? | 02:47 |
| sar3th | :P | 02:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, well, OMAP36x vs OMAP34x is 45 vs 60nm. Not sure about the recent revisions of OMAP35x stuff. | 02:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | They may just be speed binned or something. | 02:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | In which case, yeah, battery life is going to be worse. | 02:47 |
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| Aethaeryn | Don't get me wrong, I like the concept of Maemo and it looks like a fun toy, but I'm kind of waiting for the newest version... | 02:47 |
| SpeedEvil | sar3th: teh compilr is very, very important in extracting the last 50% of performance/battery life. | 02:47 |
| sar3th | SpeedEvil: ^^ | 02:48 |
| Aethaeryn | The Engadget review kinda convinced me that it's a work-in-progress, so I hope it's more polished with Maemo 6 | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - performance anyway. | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | For most mobiles - battery life is not so dominated by CPU in most users usecases | 02:48 |
| ShadowJK | standby battery life is all about wakeups anyway | 02:49 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 02:49 |
| Aethaeryn | Afaik, though, Maemo would probably be the best mobile platform to play on since it can basically support anything Linux can support and Linux is a developer's paradise. | 02:49 |
| SpeedEvil | wakeups are misleading. | 02:49 |
| SpeedEvil | A fast wakeup - do something - and back to sleep - on some arches can be very cheap | 02:49 |
| SpeedEvil | And on others very expensive | 02:49 |
| Aethaeryn | Is there going to be any successor to the tablet devices like the n810? | 02:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Aethaeryn: the n900 pretty much is it isn't it? | 02:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, it's called N900. | 02:50 |
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| Aethaeryn | The N900 is a full phone. | 02:50 |
| Aethaeryn | All the phone stuff adds to the price. | 02:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Not that much. | 02:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Perhaps 20% | 02:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mostly the price hike is thanks to more parts | 02:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | and higher quality parts. | 02:51 |
| Aethaeryn | If I'm not going to use T-Mobile in the US, I don't see the point of getting a phone that only fully supports T-Mobile. | 02:51 |
| Aethaeryn | And 20% is over $100 :P | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Move to somewhere better then. | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Clearly the US sucks for not supporting the n900. | 02:51 |
| Aethaeryn | Ironically, somewhere better might be Mountain View, since Google pays for free wifi there. That'd be funny, using a non-Google phone on it. | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | It depends what ytou use it for. | 02:52 |
| SpeedEvil | For much use edge is OK | 02:52 |
| SpeedEvil | as you've already got 58G or so of media on the device | 02:52 |
| Aethaeryn | I'd be okay on edge, but more and more applications are moving toward the "cloud" | 02:53 |
| Aethaeryn | i.e. streaming services to you rather than actually providing the service on the device | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | and can dl podcasts over dsl | 02:53 |
| Aethaeryn | in other words, they basically assume you have internet | 02:53 |
| * SpeedEvil ignores those applications. | 02:53 | |
| Aethaeryn | Unfortunately, you can't stop a trend. Especially when it has its own buzzword (cloud) | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | I was amused when someone realised how abysmally slow for some workloads amazon clouds can be. | 02:54 |
| Aethaeryn | And unfortunately, AT&T basically wants you to get an iPhone or a dumbPhone. | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil | For example large db accessed lots. | 02:54 |
| Aethaeryn | They don't want any competition on their 3G bands. | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil | You can't as one device stop a trend no. | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Look at how popular active-x is. | 02:55 |
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| Aethaeryn | It's sad, even the "Am I eligible for an upgrade?" page on AT&T is basically a giant ad for the iPhone | 02:55 |
| Aethaeryn | They push it to you because they get higher profit margins | 02:55 |
| jebba | Aethaeryn: i use AT/&T in USA with n900 ok | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I got lucky and have ended up with a heavuily discounted n9000. on t-mobile UK as it's cheapest | 02:56 |
| redeeman | i enjoy 3g on the N900 in .dk :P | 02:56 |
| SpeedEvil | $30 for 6 mo internet at 1G/mo | 02:56 |
| Aethaeryn | Anyway, does Nokia have any plans on continuing its mini-tablet-with-Maemo line or have they been obsoleted by a smartphone that's smaller and a phone? | 02:56 |
| SpeedEvil | We don't know. | 02:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | There are currently no announcements or rumors of such. | 02:57 |
| Aethaeryn | I think a 5-inch device that barely fits in your pocket might actually be more appealing than the N900 | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | There may be plans ruight now being made by naked people in saunas. | 02:57 |
| microlith | the saunas are more likely than the plans | 02:57 |
| Aethaeryn | Nokia should release the nPad | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | They have | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | http://shop.nokia.co.uk/nokia-uk/product.aspx?sku=10198003&culture=en-GB | 02:59 |
| microlith | that' just a netbook, I think he means a giant version of the tablets | 02:59 |
| Aethaeryn | Boo... Windows 7 | 02:59 |
| Aethaeryn | Google News rumors says it eats up netbook batteries and Microsoft is downplaying it, blaming the hardware | 03:00 |
| Aethaeryn | Or something that | 03:00 |
| Aethaeryn | *something like that | 03:00 |
| jebba | OMFG i think i got ofono working on fedora | 03:00 |
| microlith | zomg | 03:00 |
| Aethaeryn | But yes, I'd be tempted to pay $500-$800 for a giant N900 | 03:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I want a similar thing to the above - but with a trackpoint. | 03:01 |
| jebba | can someone run this for me on maemo5/n900? dpkg -S /sbin/phonet | 03:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Annoyingly I already have on e - which is slightly lighter - but it's PII/300 | 03:01 |
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| tripzero | jebba, do you know if handsfree works with ofono yet? | 03:02 |
| jebba | tripzero: no | 03:02 |
| SpeedEvil | phonet-utils jebba | 03:02 |
| tripzero | i'd love to use handsfree with my n900 and my car (which runs linux) | 03:02 |
| jebba | SpeedEvil: thz | 03:02 |
| jebba | SpeedEvil: hmm, that looks closed :( | 03:02 |
| jebba | goddammit | 03:03 |
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| jebba | i was hoping to get something along the lines of a free software fone call on n900. | 03:03 |
| tripzero | hmm | 03:04 |
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| tripzero | the n900 may not be the target for ofono | 03:04 |
| tripzero | maybe the n900+1? | 03:04 |
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| jebba | why? | 03:06 |
| acidjazz | sup | 03:06 |
| acidjazz | ofono? | 03:06 |
| acidjazz | whats that | 03:06 |
| satmd | which is a reason we love open protocols like sip | 03:06 |
| satmd | :( | 03:06 |
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| satmd | how does ofono communicate with the phone? | 03:07 |
| jebba | satmd: ofono and SIP are totally different. | 03:07 |
| jebba | acidjazz: http://ofono.org/ | 03:07 |
| * satmd spends some time to find out | 03:07 | |
| jebba | satmd: ofono uses phonet kernel driver | 03:07 |
| satmd | oh, I see | 03:08 |
| satmd | yeah, my sip was totally off, sorry | 03:08 |
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| jebba | np | 03:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | duh, >60min quiet planet | 04:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jebba: open GSM interface? forget it | 04:09 |
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| andres | DocScrutinizer: one can dream... | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | I (co)created MOKO11 calypso FW. I forgot how to dream :-S | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | and FR has a tty AT interface, no phonet pnatd crap | 04:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | when I see pnatd I guess the N900 TI modem has one of those nasty shared-mem interfaces | 04:18 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: and that sentence is exactly why you weren't hanging out with the cool kids at school. | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | the specs for those will be disclosed when we start communicating via corelated quantum | 04:19 |
| pupnik | didnt know your background had some low level phone stuff DocScrutinizer - what was most of your work in? | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: I *was* the cool kid :-D | 04:20 |
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| jebba | DocScrutinizer i'm not using pnatd crap | 04:20 |
| jebba | no AT interface. Using isimodem driver. | 04:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: though back when cool had a different meaning than today | 04:22 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: as in frigid? You didn't put out? | 04:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: nah, cool as in we've been the hippies | 04:23 |
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| jebba | DocScrutinizer the kernel driver is free software and ofono is free software. The thing that does the setup is non free. It just runs: /sbin/phonet -a 0x6C -i phonet0 | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | jebba: err, the kernel driver for talking to the modem is free? | 04:25 |
| jebba | all n900 kernel drivers are free AFAICT. | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what's pnatd doing then? | 04:26 |
| jebba | ./net/phonet/af_phonet.c | 04:27 |
| jebba | pnatd is when people are trying to use the AT interface, which it also emulates. But you can just access phonet0 directly with ofono | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, to tired and foul mood today to dive into that | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | jebba: /dev/opono0 ?? | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | jebba: /dev/phonet0 ?? | 04:28 |
| jebba | no, with isimodem there is no /dev, since it *doesn't* act like a regular modem. | 04:28 |
| jebba | note, ofono doesn't come with n900/maemo, its a different phone stack than what comes on the phone | 04:29 |
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| N900evil | a network interface inste*d? | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know | 04:29 |
| jebba | N900evil: yes, there is ifconfig phonet0, for instance | 04:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ofono is the "middleware" stack that shouted "NIH" to FSO | 04:30 |
| N900evil | hmm | 04:30 |
| jebba | FSO? | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | freesmartphone.org | 04:30 |
| jebba | ah. | 04:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, as far as I'm aware they addressed that pretty conclusively. | 04:31 |
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| jebba | what does FSO use in place of ofono? | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2009/05/20/too-many-platforms/ | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: addressed what? FSO? I read a statement of ofono ppl like "FSO is just talking AT over dbus", which is definitely a lie | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | jebba: probably fsogsmd | 04:33 |
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| jebba | can the FSO parts above ofono interact with it? | 04:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not (yet?) | 04:36 |
| jebba | or even isimodem could be ported to fsogsmd | 04:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://linuxtogo.org/~mickeyl/misc/FOSDEM2010.pdf | 04:37 |
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| jebba | damn, big pdf ;) | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | yo | 04:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jebba: p37ff | 04:40 |
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| jebba | p37ff? | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | page 37 and following. on p46 you see fsogsmd for FSO2 | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | for FSO1 it's been fso-abyss | 04:42 |
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| mtd | /win 19 | 05:20 |
| mtd | oops :) | 05:20 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders what /win might do :-) | 05:21 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm prolly irssi switch-chan | 05:22 |
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| Aethaeryn | DocScrutinizer: You'll win IRC. | 05:27 |
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| pupnik | snybody figure out how to resolder the mini usb to n900 board? | 06:15 |
| luke-jr | pupnik: send it back to retailer for a replacement | 06:17 |
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| b-man17 | hmm :( | 06:22 |
| b-man17 | i hope this does not happen to me :( | 06:22 |
| * b-man17 is verry careful with the usb port | 06:22 | |
| ShadowJK | if what texrat says that it's not the port getting teared off the solder pads, but the solder pads getting teared off the PCB, then there's nothing left to solder the port to :/ | 06:23 |
| luke-jr | b-man17: it's the AC adapter hooks IIRC | 06:24 |
| luke-jr | that get stuck | 06:24 |
| ShadowJK | I got a DC-10 today. Its microusb plug is frighteningly tight fit in n900... | 06:24 |
| luke-jr | b-man17: workaround seems to be making the hooks weaker | 06:24 |
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| microlith | hmm | 06:28 |
| microlith | how do you remove scratchbox and the maemo sdk? | 06:28 |
| * b-man17 pulls up the sdk guide | 06:31 | |
| b-man17 | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_2_sdk_installation/#uninstall | 06:32 |
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| b-man17 | that should help | 06:33 |
| microlith | even with the current, non-beta sdk? | 06:33 |
| b-man17 | it should work - the setup is the same | 06:34 |
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| b-man17 | luke-jr: btw i'm experimenting with an omap3 optimized port of gentoo on my n900 :) | 06:39 |
| luke-jr | ... | 06:39 |
| b-man17 | neuvoo | 06:39 |
| b-man17 | ? | 06:40 |
| b-man17 | luke-jr: ? | 06:40 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: ping | 06:41 |
| luke-jr | b-man17: ? | 06:41 |
| b-man17 | lol | 06:41 |
| luke-jr | b-man17: btw, you're not in #gentoo-embedded :P | 06:41 |
| b-man17 | i know :P | 06:41 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: you're not a moderator of this channel | 06:42 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: huh? | 06:42 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: don't tell people off because they talk about something not specific to maemo, but still around a maemo-based device | 06:43 |
| luke-jr | ... i was just suggesting a channel to him -.- | 06:43 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: plus, the channel is dead as ever... 20 lines of speach in the past hour ^^ | 06:43 |
| crashanddie | we might as well invite bots to keep it alive :P | 06:43 |
| luke-jr | oh do it | 06:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, pong? | 06:44 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: invite Miyu, Little_Death, and toobparts | 06:44 |
| luke-jr | they're fun | 06:44 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: I wasn't saying "you shouldn't be saying that here", but rather "oh, then you might be interested in that channel, too" | 06:46 |
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| ShadowJK | hm, maemo-mplayer needs a sane default conf file | 07:09 |
| ShadowJK | ao=pulse in it atleast | 07:09 |
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| villager | wasn't that slower? | 07:10 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah but using alsa direct and you block everything else that'd want to use audio | 07:10 |
| ShadowJK | like, uh, phone | 07:10 |
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| LuciusMare | wow | 08:03 |
| LuciusMare | my alarm just went off | 08:04 |
| LuciusMare | and i couldnt snooze it | 08:04 |
| LuciusMare | the touchscreen was not reacting, i had to muffle it | 08:04 |
| Proteous | heh | 08:06 |
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| LuciusMare | it was vibrating on touch, but didnt do anything | 08:06 |
| Proteous | strange | 08:07 |
| Proteous | how did you kill it? | 08:07 |
| LuciusMare | i waited a minute | 08:07 |
| Proteous | heh | 08:07 |
| LuciusMare | it stopped ringing, but the dialog was still there, not reacting | 08:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | LuciusMare, you can snooze by turning it over. | 08:09 |
| Proteous | throwing it against the wall sometimes works too, you gotta give it some backspin though | 08:10 |
| LuciusMare | oh. | 08:11 |
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| LuciusMare | and, when it magically started working there was this dialog "turn the offline mode off?" | 08:12 |
| tigert | morning! | 08:12 |
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| LuciusMare | GeneralAntilles: that's a nice feature | 08:17 |
| LuciusMare | but i felt silly when muffling a phone with a pillow | 08:21 |
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| RST38h | moorning tigert | 08:35 |
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| tigert | morning | 08:36 |
| tigert | back to work :) | 08:36 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 08:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | s/rail/rial/ | 08:52 |
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| Passeli | what video formats are hardware accelerated in N900 ? | 08:56 |
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| konttori | Passeli: everything that is on by default on the device. | 09:26 |
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| konttori | they have different quality in layers between gst and dsp, but they all all hw accelerated. | 09:26 |
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| tekojo | Morning! | 09:30 |
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| WZhang | anyone with N800 @ Diablo here? need the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list - would be nice if someone could pastebin it (can be with custom sources ot standard, just working) :D | 09:46 |
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| cpasjuste | could someone "light" me on the online builder ? what does he do ? does it just do a "make && make install", or does it ran configure | 10:10 |
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| Stskeeps | it runs a dpkg-buildpackage, within sbdmock/scratchbox | 10:13 |
| cpasjuste | but what dpkg-buildpackage does ? | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | it builds a debian source packages into one or more binary packages | 10:13 |
| cpasjuste | i mean i really dont know if i have to pass the configure switch somewhere | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | go read up on debian packaging :) | 10:14 |
| cpasjuste | i'm doing that since 2 days now | 10:14 |
| cpasjuste | i'm lazy :) | 10:14 |
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| cpasjuste | all this crap is way to complicated | 10:16 |
| cpasjuste | to release something | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | it is worth it | 10:16 |
| cpasjuste | and tje maemo wiki (building package) is way not enough explaned | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | you need to read 'make package' before 'build package' | 10:17 |
| cpasjuste | well i did read the whole maemo crappy documentation | 10:17 |
| cpasjuste | "http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging%2C_Deploying_and_Distributing" | 10:18 |
| cpasjuste | this is enough for a normal project | 10:18 |
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| cpasjuste | but this answer nothing about build configuration etc | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | "Creating Debian packages" | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | if you look at debian/rules, there's a call for configure possible i think | 10:19 |
| ifreq | cpasjuste: google: maemo jebba package | 10:22 |
| cpasjuste | yeah i did read that too | 10:22 |
| ifreq | thats what ive been using lately. simplified and works ok ++ | 10:23 |
| cpasjuste | i'll re-read and re-trry :) | 10:24 |
| cpasjuste | ok thanks | 10:24 |
| cpasjuste | lets try | 10:25 |
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| cpasjuste | ifreq, this still don't explain how i pass options to the configuration | 10:38 |
| cpasjuste | i mean, for the armel build, i need to pass --enable-n900 | 10:38 |
| cpasjuste | jebba say : | 10:38 |
| cpasjuste | # Compile! | 10:38 |
| ifreq | oh okay n900 is some special option? :) | 10:38 |
| cpasjuste | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -uc | 10:38 |
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| cpasjuste | yeah it's a configuration option i added to wesnoth for setting special n900 rules/defines | 10:39 |
| cpasjuste | else the thing is clear | 10:39 |
| cpasjuste | the jebba explanations | 10:39 |
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| cpasjuste | well | 10:40 |
| adeus | the rules file build opts | 10:40 |
| adeus | +contains | 10:40 |
| cpasjuste | yeah but then it wont build on i586 | 10:41 |
| cpasjuste | x86 | 10:41 |
| cpasjuste | if i set the configuration option in the rules file ? | 10:41 |
| cpasjuste | i need to determine there on which host we are then pass (or not pass) the configuration option ? | 10:42 |
| cpasjuste | well for now i'll go the hackish way | 10:42 |
| cpasjuste | i will enable my "--enable-n900" in my configuration file as soon as it detect an armel host | 10:43 |
| cpasjuste | seems easier .. :) | 10:43 |
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| Lantizia | Lo I've enabled usb networking on my N900 as per the wiki but the expect new "unknown device" doesn't show up on windows for me to give it drivers | 10:51 |
| Lantizia | any ideas? | 10:51 |
| Lantizia | *expected | 10:51 |
| Lantizia | got this in my interfaces file... http://pastebin.com/m67a92639 | 10:51 |
| Lantizia | and usb-network-modules is installed and have restarted the n900 after | 10:52 |
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| hrw | morning | 10:54 |
| konttori | morning | 10:57 |
| Lantizia | ah I didn't have it in pc suite mode to do the usb networking - so now I've got 4 devices... which do I apply my usb networking driver on? | 10:58 |
| Lantizia | Nokia USB Generic / OBEX / OBEX / Phone Parent | 10:58 |
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| crashanddie | ebay is going nuts | 11:12 |
| crashanddie | I purchased 3 separate items, all from the same vendor | 11:12 |
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| crashanddie | 1 was charged in pounds, the other in euros, and a last one in australian dollars... | 11:12 |
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| crashanddie | And the website interface randomly shows messages in spanish, french or english | 11:12 |
| adeus | maybe it calculated the way you loose the most in currency exchanges :) | 11:13 |
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| crashanddie | adeus: currencies aren't loose | 11:17 |
| mgedmin | they've been tightened around the turn of the century | 11:17 |
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| hrw | currency exchange rates matters | 11:18 |
| hrw | USD->PLN in states is lower then USD->PLN in Poland | 11:18 |
| frals | ah, finally less in -devel <3 | 11:19 |
| adeus | -o | 11:20 |
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| gouverneur | ceh900: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8965 | 11:49 |
| povbot | Bug 8965: Battery discharges with wall-charger connected | 11:49 |
| gouverneur | guten morgen | 11:49 |
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| MaikB | Hello Maemo world | 11:50 |
| MaikB | Do you have some insight on when the N900 gets delivered in germany, other than to amazon? | 11:51 |
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| mece | Hi, perhaps some of the people who know anything about ssh keys this and that could help sio2interactive out with this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=520610&postcount=108 | 11:53 |
| adeus | incorrect permissions, extra spaces | 11:54 |
| adeus | although I think newer openssh versions give warnings about permissions | 11:56 |
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| adeus | I don't know about garage specifically, but I've seen mysterious key erros when the public keys have been copied incorrectly | 11:57 |
| adeus | i.e. an extra space space in the end for example | 11:57 |
| mece | adeus, should the public key include "ssh-rsa " at the beginning? | 11:59 |
| adeus | no | 12:00 |
| adeus | or wait | 12:00 |
| mece | ok so it's just the jibberish.. or? | 12:00 |
| adeus | I'll look | 12:00 |
| mece | thanks | 12:01 |
| mece | when I cat id_res.pub I get "ssh-rsa <the key gibberish> mece@guybrush" | 12:01 |
| adeus | the whole thing | 12:01 |
| adeus | into gitorious at least | 12:02 |
| mece | ok. | 12:02 |
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| adeus | also, it takes a while after the key upload | 12:10 |
| adeus | before it is available | 12:10 |
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| hrw | is there vala compiler in autobuilder? | 12:14 |
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| X-Fade | hrw: it is in extras-devel | 12:15 |
| hrw | thx | 12:16 |
| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: is there a way for me to send something to the autobuilder for it to privately build but not post? | 12:16 |
| timeless_mbp | i just want to know if it's happy | 12:16 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't really want it to go anywhere | 12:16 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: No, not atm. | 12:17 |
| timeless_mbp | ok | 12:17 |
| * timeless_mbp frowns | 12:18 | |
| timeless_mbp | could someone here w/ 51-1 check some stuff for me? | 12:18 |
| fragment | sure | 12:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | dpkg -l osso-icons-default libcityinfo0-0 | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: can i do this: | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | Depends: osso-icons-default (> 0.4) || (foo), | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | libcityinfo0-0 (> 0.3) || foo | 12:22 |
| hrw | ii libcityinfo0-0 0.5.9-1+0m5 Cities information library. | 12:22 |
| hrw | ii osso-icons-default 2.4.1+0m5 OSSO UI icons | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | oops, that first line shouldn't have ()s around foo | 12:22 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: yes, you should. | 12:24 |
| timeless_mbp | should? | 12:24 |
| timeless_mbp | + osso-icons-default (>= 2.4.2) || clock-map-fix (>= 0.1-4), | 12:24 |
| timeless_mbp | + libcityinfo0-0 (>= 0.5.10) || clock-map-fix (>= 0.1-4), | 12:24 |
| * timeless_mbp goes to look for some useful samples | 12:25 | |
| * timeless_mbp suspects one only needs a single pipe | 12:25 | |
| pupnik | that's what _she_ said (har har) | 12:28 |
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| satmd | (2b || !2b) ? 1 : 0; | 12:28 |
| pupnik | that does simplify the question! | 12:31 |
| visz | shakespear's problem | 12:31 |
| pupnik | he should have met boole | 12:31 |
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| Markus23 | is the game "Go" available for n900? | 12:35 |
| Markus23 | dont know how to search for the game "go" | 12:35 |
| Markus23 | it finds anything but not the game | 12:35 |
| Markus23 | strange that google called a programming language so too, it won't be googleable :-) | 12:35 |
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| pupnik | markus it might be in the bsdgames collection | 12:36 |
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| pupnik | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/10/hackers-shut-down-austral_n_457071.html Hackers fire a sh*tstorm of porn at .au government. | 12:38 |
| Markus23 | pupnik: thx, in which repo are the bsdgames collection? | 12:38 |
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| thresh | mmh, my scratchbox suddenly does not have network working | 12:38 |
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| thresh | although it works from the debian machine that has scratchbox installed | 12:39 |
| pupnik | search for go-moku, will give metter results | 12:39 |
| * RST38h asks the Tentacled One to punish Autoconf authors, then eat Xorg people for desert. | 12:39 | |
| cpasjuste | tresh, try updating your dns server : "nano /etc/resolv.conf" inside scratchbox, and "nano /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf" outside scratchbox | 12:39 |
| cpasjuste | thresh | 12:39 |
| RST38h | Fucking bastards, can't come up with a working makefile =( | 12:40 |
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| RST38h | And autoconf makes it possible for them | 12:40 |
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| visz | yuck, nano | 12:41 |
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| pupnik | Markus23: http://sourceforge.net/projects/gnomoku/ could be ported | 12:43 |
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| thresh | cpasjuste: of course i did | 12:46 |
| cpasjuste | you did update both ? | 12:46 |
| thresh | ah duh | 12:46 |
| thresh | it is not the same from the outside | 12:46 |
| thresh | thank you | 12:46 |
| cpasjuste | yep | 12:46 |
| thresh | nice, works | 12:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | heh | 12:50 |
| timeless_mbp | the error i get when doing a search is just a blank info banner | 12:50 |
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| mtd | if anyone's feeling generous, I'd like to grab a cpu & memory usage graph of my n900 for a few days, along with a ps-list. Is there any way to do this that people have already come up with? | 12:54 |
| mtd | if not, I'll just run vmstat + ps or something silly like that. | 12:55 |
| mgedmin | sounds almost like bootchart, except that it doesn't chart memory | 12:55 |
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| mtd | .oo( I saw some bug report where the guy had an rrdtool graph of his n900's battery usage - should ask him) | 12:56 |
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| mgedmin | battery usage? seriously? | 12:57 |
| mgedmin | I thought there was no way to get that info | 12:57 |
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| mgedmin | actually, I'm obviously wrong, since the battery applet displays something | 12:57 |
| mgedmin | must've been thinking about estimates | 12:57 |
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| LuciusMare | No dropbox for maemo? | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | closed source binary | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | not for armel | 13:01 |
| LuciusMare | i know | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | go pester them for it :) | 13:02 |
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| LuciusMare | i meant, not compiled for arm yet | 13:02 |
| mtd | mgedmin: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8004 | 13:02 |
| povbot | Bug 8004: PR1.1 has introduced a battery drain bug (not wifi related) | 13:02 |
| mtd | mgedmin: https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=2097 | 13:02 |
| LuciusMare | they dont stay at freenode, right? | 13:02 |
| mgedmin | it should be possible to port the Ubuntu One client to maemo | 13:03 |
| mgedmin | open-source client, closed-source server; afaiu it's essentially the same thing as dropbox | 13:03 |
| mtd | emre saglam - you here? | 13:03 |
| mgedmin | silly name, though -- nothing Ubuntu related in it, other than the company who develops it | 13:03 |
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| cityLights | hi all, how can I tell how is in-charge of a package? | 13:04 |
| mgedmin | cityLights, in theory, apt-cache show packagename will show you that in the Maintainer field | 13:04 |
| mgedmin | in practice, people upload other people's packages to extras and forget to put themselves as the maintainer | 13:04 |
| mgedmin | last entry in debian/changelog can be very useful | 13:05 |
| mgedmin | shame that docpurge makes it impossible to see the changelogs of installed packages | 13:05 |
| cityLights | ok, I just upgraded the lighttp http server and found a simple bug | 13:05 |
| mgedmin | also, there's the bugtracker field that's supposed to be mandatory | 13:05 |
| mgedmin | in the same package metadata shown by apt-cache show | 13:06 |
| LuciusMare | Or there could be a script using the web interface (using html parser) | 13:06 |
| mgedmin | there is, actually, I think | 13:07 |
| mgedmin | on maemo.org | 13:07 |
| mgedmin | http://maemo.org/packages/ | 13:07 |
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| cityLights | thnkas | 13:08 |
| timeless_mbp | oh the irony | 13:09 |
| timeless_mbp | i just called a nokia symbian guy | 13:09 |
| timeless_mbp | he answered from his iPhone | 13:09 |
| timeless_mbp | and said he couldn't receive mms/vcards | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | the least people can do is to eat their own dogfood | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:09 |
| timeless_mbp | i got his name by using my n900 to sip call another nokian in England | 13:09 |
| cityLights | looks as Rob Williams is the maintainer of this package lighttpd | 13:10 |
| cityLights | right? | 13:10 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:10 |
| timeless_mbp | and used my n900 to look up both of their contact cards | 13:10 |
| cityLights | lardman? the one since OE? | 13:10 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: yeah seriously... | 13:10 |
| lardman | indeed | 13:10 |
| cityLights | ok, as I am new to contrib, how can I tell the maintainer to fix the /etc/init.d file? | 13:11 |
| cityLights | should I email him? | 13:11 |
| lardman | yep | 13:11 |
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| lardman | preferably with a patch and explanation | 13:11 |
| lardman | etc | 13:12 |
| * timeless_mbp closes the w7 vm and opens mer | 13:12 | |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: speaking of mer | 13:12 |
| timeless_mbp | what's the latest version? | 13:12 |
| lardman | hmm, interesting that bug 8004, I'm seeing very variable battery drain | 13:12 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8004 PR1.1 has introduced a battery drain bug (not wifi related) | 13:12 |
| cityLights | when I click the link in maemo I get from here: http://maemo.org/packages/view/lighttpd/ | 13:12 |
| cityLights | to here: http://maemo.org/profile/view/jolouis/ | 13:13 |
| cityLights | but his email is missing | 13:13 |
| lardman | should be in the control file | 13:13 |
| cityLights | I can see it in the apt-cache show lighttpd | 13:13 |
| lardman | or has it not been updated? | 13:13 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: oh... one thing | 13:13 |
| timeless_mbp | https://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.16 | 13:13 |
| timeless_mbp | can you please add a RELEASED ON DATE | 13:13 |
| cityLights | Maintainer: Rob Williams <rob@naturalexplorations.ca> | 13:13 |
| timeless_mbp | to each release? | 13:13 |
| lardman | you can also comment on the packages page and he should receive that | 13:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: without it, it's incredibly hard to figure out when a release was interesting :( | 13:13 |
| lcuk | hey simon \o | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: our releases are never interesting :P | 13:14 |
| lardman | hi gary | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: current URL for your string set btw? | 13:14 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: "when it wasn't vaporware"? | 13:14 |
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| cityLights | lardman: thanks | 13:14 |
| lardman | np | 13:14 |
| cityLights | is maemo.org down ? | 13:16 |
| X-Fade | cityLights: no? | 13:16 |
| cityLights | http://maemo.org/packages/view/lighttpsd/ -> Error 500 | 13:16 |
| X-Fade | cityLights: That is not down :) | 13:17 |
| X-Fade | That is just an error message about that package? | 13:17 |
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| cityLights | lardman: I signed in and I dont see where I can comment on the package page | 13:18 |
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| Ludia | Ok | 13:19 |
| pupnik | uae4all and picodrive need finishing-up | 13:19 |
| Ludia | #Sofiq | 13:19 |
| Ludia | channel Sofiq | 13:19 |
| Ludia | channel Sofiq | 13:19 |
| Ludia | #sOFIQ | 13:20 |
| Ludia | ;] | 13:20 |
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| Stskeeps | didn't channel spamming go out of fashion in the 90s? | 13:20 |
| lardman | cityLights: hmm, let me have a look | 13:20 |
| cityLights | thanks mate | 13:20 |
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| suihkulokki | I just joined to remind about free thursday in helsinki but clearly this is the wrong moment :P | 13:21 |
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| lardman | cityLights: from here http://maemo.org/packages/view/lighttpd/ click on the relevant release | 13:21 |
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| lardman | e.g. Fremantle Extras-testing free armel | 13:21 |
| cityLights | thanks | 13:21 |
| lardman | then you can comment on the page that it goes to | 13:21 |
| pupnik | media player should display full thumbnail list on startup, not display a few then add them slowly while re-sorting | 13:22 |
| X-Fade | lardman: He just made a typo in the url. | 13:22 |
| lardman | X-Fade: ah ok | 13:22 |
| lardman | and hi :) | 13:22 |
| X-Fade | lardman: lighttp_s_d ;) | 13:22 |
| X-Fade | and hi too ;) | 13:22 |
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| pillar_ | this maemo6 security stuff sounds like symbian capabilities, don't like them at all. I'll probably run the device in open mode and ignore drm stuff if at all possible | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | and you'll be free too | 13:23 |
| hrw | bug #8989 - someone got it? | 13:24 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8989 Facebook contact ID is used as phone number in messages | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | and able to use the chip for your own gain, heh | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:24 |
| X-Fade | pillar_: If you want to run experimental stuff, that is your best bet it seems, yes. | 13:24 |
| X-Fade | pillar_: Although in open mode you might have capabilities too? | 13:24 |
| pillar_ | X-Fade: it seems so, but you are able to make your own security policies | 13:24 |
| X-Fade | yes. | 13:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrw: is facebook a nokia supported thing? | 13:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh! | 13:26 |
| * timeless_mbp gets it | 13:26 | |
| timeless_mbp | yeah um | 13:26 |
| timeless_mbp | caller id works that way :) | 13:26 |
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| X-Fade | pillar_: But it all depends on which capabilities are set and how strict they are. | 13:26 |
| timeless_mbp | caller id matches on the last 7 or 8 numbers | 13:27 |
| pillar_ | X-Fade: yeah | 13:27 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: but should check phone fields only | 13:27 |
| timeless_mbp | because not all providers send more numbers | 13:27 |
| timeless_mbp | so it has to | 13:27 |
| suihkulokki | 1. Add Facebook contact for Joe - it will be listed as number | 13:27 |
| timeless_mbp | suihkulokki: i wanted to pong ping poke or kick you | 13:27 |
| timeless_mbp | but i don't remember why :) | 13:27 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 13:28 | |
| pillar_ | I don't get how they now say that location needs to be that kind of restricted capability - apps can abuse it and so on - that's how it is with maemo5. Haven't noticed too much abuse | 13:28 |
| timeless_mbp | my hg repo is ~20mb as a bundle | 13:28 |
| suihkulokki | hrw: that is confusing, what kind of contact field did it add? did you use the telepathy-haze thingy or the yesterday announced facebook jabber server? | 13:28 |
| suihkulokki | timeless_mbp: I'm sure you'll poke again if was important :) | 13:29 |
| timeless_mbp | what were we talking about yesterday? :) | 13:29 |
| hrw | suihkulokki: check 'extra software installed' field - I am using Facebook from haze plugin | 13:29 |
| timeless_mbp | ooh, 24mb | 13:29 |
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| X-Fade | pillar_: Depends on how you define privacy I guess. | 13:30 |
| hrw | suihkulokki: added note | 13:30 |
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| Ludia | #bulgaria | 13:30 |
| Ludia | #bulgaria | 13:30 |
| Ludia | #bulgaria | 13:30 |
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| X-Fade | pillar_: If maemo.org gets the location capability, then there is nothing to worry about for instance. | 13:30 |
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| pillar_ | X-Fade: yeah | 13:30 |
| pillar_ | Also having to reboot to switch modes is a pain.. | 13:31 |
| X-Fade | pillar_: And be assured that I'm already on that case ;) | 13:31 |
| pillar_ | X-Fade: good to hear! | 13:31 |
| * satmd reports ludia | 13:31 | |
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| X-Fade | pillar_: I don't know if you really want to switch modes. | 13:32 |
| X-Fade | pillar_: More than once at least. | 13:32 |
| pillar_ | X-Fade: well, as much as I would like to think I won't need any of the DRM'd stuff, the reality most likely will be that I will get something under drm and then switching is needed | 13:34 |
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| pillar_ | .. since I don't want to give up all the open stuff just for that | 13:34 |
| hrw | suihkulokki: even added screenshots | 13:34 |
| X-Fade | pillar_: We'll need to see how that is implemented, not much is known about that. | 13:35 |
| dneary | Oooh | 13:35 |
| cpasjuste | so, do i really need a configuration file to upload to autobuilder ? | 13:35 |
| dneary | bug #8990 just created | 13:35 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8990 Standard MediaWiki tables don't get any CSS styles without "wikitable" attribute | 13:35 |
| cpasjuste | for the data .. | 13:35 |
| dneary | 10 away from the turnover... | 13:35 |
| pillar_ | X-Fade: about what? the switching? | 13:35 |
| dneary | X-Fade, Hi there | 13:36 |
| dneary | Are the changes that were made to the standard Mediawiki install all in version control somewhere? | 13:36 |
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| dneary | Or is the system install of mediawiki really the unchanged distro version? | 13:36 |
| X-Fade | dneary: I think they are in a garage project, but I didn't do them. | 13:36 |
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| dneary | There are some strange things I can't explain (re. "You have new messages" bug w/ User_talk pages) | 13:37 |
| suihkulokki | hrw: right. now it is less confusing. | 13:37 |
| dneary | There is some stuff in midgard2maemo | 13:37 |
| dneary | But not everything, I think | 13:37 |
| dneary | At least, I have not been able to reproduce MaemoWiki bugs using a base mediawiki + midgard2maemo | 13:38 |
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| dneary | who's the best person for that topic? Ferenc? | 13:38 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Just search for wiki on garage? | 13:38 |
| dneary | I mean, do you know who made any changes to mediawiki that were done? | 13:39 |
| dneary | I *have* the Maemo2009 style for the mediawiki - it's in maemo2midgard | 13:39 |
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| X-Fade | dneary: The only change is the auth module. | 13:39 |
| dneary | I don't see why there'd be two different places where we'd put stuff | 13:39 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Afaik. And ferenc did that one. | 13:39 |
| dneary | OK | 13:40 |
| dneary | And the actual roll-out & install, that was you? | 13:40 |
| dneary | I mean, you know where it's deployed? | 13:40 |
| X-Fade | No, Ferenc. | 13:40 |
| dneary | OK | 13:40 |
| dneary | Is he still away this week? | 13:40 |
| X-Fade | Yes, ofcourse we have a separate vm for that and I have full access. | 13:40 |
| X-Fade | dneary: What do you want to do btw? | 13:41 |
| hrw | suihkulokki: and now have to wait for maemo7 to get fix | 13:41 |
| dneary | I want to make sure that bug #8791 gets fixed | 13:41 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8791 After editing User_talk: page, two "You have new messages (last change)." banners are on each wiki page. | 13:41 |
| bilboed-pi | anyone knows the proper command to format the micro sd card from the device ? | 13:42 |
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| dneary | And I want to understand how the wiki is deployed, what changes we've made, and document all that so that people can fix similar bugs in the future without having to annoy you or Ferenc | 13:42 |
| X-Fade | dneary: That is just a style issue. | 13:42 |
| bilboed-pi | (if possible at all) | 13:42 |
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| doubleukay | bilboed-pi: sfdisk /dev/mmcblk1 | 13:42 |
| doubleukay | then mkfs.$fstype | 13:43 |
| dneary | Not just a style issue, because there is content generated in the html which depends on a variable which should be unset when you arrive in the user_talk page | 13:43 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Ah, well then it should be an upstream bug already? | 13:43 |
| dneary | And if we're messing with things like that in the theme & style, then there are serious issues to fix | 13:43 |
| dneary | No - upstream doesn't have the same problem | 13:43 |
| dneary | Thus, I'd like to investigate | 13:43 |
| doubleukay | bilboed-pi: if you format the first partition not as vfat, you'll get an annoying (but harmless) error message each time you boot or insert the card | 13:43 |
| dneary | And as I said, I haven't been able to reproduce a Maemo wiki with upstream + midgard2maemo | 13:44 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Well we use upstream + our styles :) | 13:44 |
| suihkulokki | hrw: well at least with that bugreport ;) people will only see "facebook" and "haze acoounts" and assume it is 3rd party plugin issue... | 13:44 |
| dneary | So I'd like to have a look at what's installed & deployed | 13:44 |
| dneary | Without changing it | 13:44 |
| dneary | Of course | 13:44 |
| dneary | Seems reasonable to me | 13:44 |
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| hrw | suihkulokki: suggest better naming then? | 13:45 |
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| X-Fade | dneary: ii mediawiki 1:1.12.0-2lenny3 website engine for collaborative work | 13:45 |
| X-Fade | ii mediawiki-extensions 1.4 set of extensions for MediaWiki | 13:45 |
| X-Fade | ii mediawiki-math 1:1.12.0-2lenny3 math rendering plugin for MediaWiki | 13:45 |
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| cityLights | can anyone pls explain why google calender doesnt sync? | 13:46 |
| suihkulokki | maybe "number -> name decoding for sms should only be decoded from sms fields of contacts" | 13:46 |
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| dneary | Thanks | 13:46 |
| dneary | Do you know what host they're on? | 13:46 |
| X-Fade | dneary: wiki | 13:47 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Obviously :) | 13:47 |
| MohammadAG | is pairing with a blank passkey allowed on the n900? | 13:47 |
| dneary | I assumed that was a vhost | 13:47 |
| wazd | heya all | 13:47 |
| ifreq | heya wazd | 13:47 |
| X-Fade | dneary: No, all services are separate vms now. | 13:47 |
| suihkulokki | alternative fix is the "document it", eg tell IM plugin writers not store account id's as plain numbers | 13:47 |
| dneary | Stylesheets come from static though, right? | 13:47 |
| dneary | And are deployed from midgard2maemo? | 13:47 |
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| cityLights | I was about to ask this! | 13:48 |
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| X-Fade | dneary: View source. | 13:48 |
| cityLights | dneary: cool | 13:48 |
| bilboed-pi | doubleukay, ... I formatted the card as vfat... but it complains it's not supported | 13:48 |
| dneary | X-Fade, Doesn't answer the second question (how they get there) but that's OK. Thanks | 13:49 |
| X-Fade | dneary: There you see that the default styling is maemo.org and a few wiki specific ones in the style and ones you can edit in the wiki. | 13:49 |
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| hrw | suihkulokki: good idea | 13:49 |
| doubleukay | bilboed-pi: hm ok. what's the exact error message? | 13:50 |
| hrw | suihkulokki: "number -> name decoding for sms should only be decoded from phone number fields of contacts" is much nicer | 13:50 |
| X-Fade | dneary: But basically everything lives in maemo2midgard for styling and needs to be deployed by pinging an admin. | 13:50 |
| bilboed-pi | doubleukay, Memory card corrupted | 13:51 |
| dneary | X-Fade, So it's an svn up somewhere on wiki? | 13:51 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: BTW, maemo.org started losing logins again. Have to relogin every hour or so | 13:51 |
| doubleukay | bilboed-pi: hmm.. not sure if i can help you there | 13:51 |
| doubleukay | perhaps put it into a desktop and format it? | 13:51 |
| X-Fade | dneary: for the wiki style part, yes. Static obviously needs an update on static. | 13:51 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: Looking into it. Sessions seem to be very short. | 13:52 |
| amigadave | lcuk: are http://wiki.maemo.org/Liqbase_library_overview and http://wiki.maemo.org/Liqbase still relevant? | 13:55 |
| amigadave | they look out of date | 13:55 |
| pillar_ | is it possible to share many photos at the same time or just one by one? over service (facebook for example) ? | 13:56 |
| adeus | is | 13:58 |
| lcuk | amigadave, yes, but do me a favour, just send me a reminder mail about the pages to liquid@gmail.com the information is correct in them it just needs refreshing | 13:58 |
| adeus | pillar_, in the icon view | 13:59 |
| amigadave | lcuk: cool, thanks :) | 13:59 |
| pillar_ | adeus: hmm, where is that | 13:59 |
| adeus | the icon view? | 14:00 |
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| lcuk | amigadave, you know what would be better | 14:01 |
| adeus | or thumbnail view maybe a better term | 14:01 |
| pillar_ | adeus: oh ok | 14:01 |
| lcuk | file bugs against them - theres liqbase components now | 14:01 |
| adeus | there click "all images" | 14:01 |
| lcuk | bugs.maemo.org | 14:01 |
| adeus | there's an share option | 14:01 |
| adeus | -n | 14:01 |
| amigadave | lcuk: that does sound better, will do | 14:01 |
| pillar_ | adeus: nice that works | 14:01 |
| * lcuk nods | 14:02 | |
| murrayc | Got some echo there. | 14:02 |
| murrayc | Ah, wrong channel. | 14:02 |
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| pillar_ | adeus: that doesn't seem to let me define title and description though | 14:03 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Is anyone else finding push gmail excruciatingly slow on the N900? | 14:04 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I should say "delayed" I suppose, emails seem to hit my phone long after they hit my inbox | 14:04 |
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| adeus | pillar_, well then you're probably stuck back with the individual send.. | 14:07 |
| adeus | or set them on the other side | 14:07 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Shucks, it's not even push! that might be why | 14:08 |
| pillar_ | adeus: ok, just wanted to make sure it's not just me, thanks | 14:08 |
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| adeus | easier on the comp anyway | 14:10 |
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| * bilboed-pi must not freak out at always seeing "Memory card corrupted" | 14:11 | |
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| pupnik | ... maybe we can take the voice recorder and add tracks. monitor existing tracks with headphones | 14:12 |
| cehteh | bilboed-pi: eeks | 14:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: see http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/N810-disassembly/n810_disassembly/snc00298_jpg.jpeg.html maybe it helps. Probably you need hot air reflow to esolder the micro-USB if it s same type as on N810. OTOH watch the powerjack receptacle same picture. It's spring contacted. Maybe they used same technics for usb on N900 | 14:13 |
| * cehteh set the commit interval to 600 and laptop_mode to 3600 ... less writes to the mmc | 14:13 | |
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| pupnik | DocScrutinizer: i dont have the tools to dissect nokias n900. will ujse external charger for now | 14:15 |
| pupnik | external universal charger is a great tool for all devices | 14:15 |
| * cehteh grinded the hooks from the power supply connector down .. now its much easier to insert/remove | 14:16 | |
| DocScrutinizer | especially for those that don'T boot on flat bat, and don't charge flat bat without booting ;-P | 14:16 |
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| pupnik | someone needs to make micro usb cables with flexible leads and no lever arm | 14:16 |
| pupnik | !!! | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | (talking bout OM devices here) | 14:17 |
| ruskie | haven't seen any third party microusb cables around here yet | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: ack | 14:17 |
| pupnik | i searched the net ruskie - no results | 14:17 |
| pupnik | just many with regular length stiff lever arms | 14:18 |
| ruskie | I tend to quickly but gently unplug the microusb | 14:18 |
| adeus | I have a 3rd party cable at home | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously the cradle approach has advantages | 14:19 |
| cehteh | yeah .. some external charging contacts would be nice .. | 14:19 |
| ruskie | easy to do.. insert fingernails+fingers between the lever arm and the n900... squeeze and pull evenly | 14:19 |
| X-Fade | cehteh: wireless would be even better :) | 14:20 |
| cehteh | put it into the microwave oven :) | 14:20 |
| X-Fade | cehteh: Works for my toothbrush for 15 years already or so. | 14:20 |
| RST38h | The best thing would be nothaving to charge at all | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | check your toothbrush for volume of component! | 14:20 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Portable nuke :) | 14:21 |
| cehteh | ruskie: with grinded down connector it feels much better now, at least for the charger, i dont want the usb data cable to slip accidentally out | 14:21 |
| RST38h | nucular bateris | 14:21 |
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| ruskie | I use either one | 14:21 |
| cehteh | but even the charger didnt slipped out yet | 14:21 |
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| cehteh | RST38h: i dont want plutonium near my balls | 14:21 |
| ruskie | don't think that would provide enough power really | 14:22 |
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| cehteh | waht? | 14:22 |
| cehteh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator see 2nd pic | 14:23 |
| tybollt | timeless? | 14:24 |
| lopz | hi ;I | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | the gloving pill? | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | glowing even | 14:25 |
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| siriusnova | the N900 needs a nuclear battery | 14:25 |
| siriusnova | ! | 14:25 |
| siriusnova | any new interesting apps for my N900 :D | 14:25 |
| siriusnova | ? | 14:25 |
| X-Fade | "A kilogram of pure 210Po in the form of a cube would be about 48 mm (about 2 inches) on a side and emit about 140kW." | 14:26 |
| ruskie | cehteh, ~10% efficiency... and reduced to the size that would fit the N900... == not enough power to run it :) | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, glowing pellet. Somebody pointed to that a few weeks ago :-D | 14:26 |
| X-Fade | More than enough ;) | 14:26 |
| RST38h | cehteh: why plutonium? | 14:26 |
| cehteh | ruskie: well instead 238Pu you can use 210Po ... that provides way eough power: P | 14:27 |
| * satmd gets a hampster run in a wheel | 14:27 | |
| tybollt | ruskie: You're near tjernobyl, just go there, dip N900 in water and it will be always on device! | 14:27 |
| RST38h | cehteh: You probably want an alpha-source, well sealed | 14:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders how TF they build those nuclear detonators o.O | 14:27 | |
| ruskie | tybollt, where the f do you consider my geolocation to be at? | 14:27 |
| cehteh | RST38h: 238Pu is a alpha source | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | tybollt: hence explaining the urban legend of the n800 dipped into a lake and it kept on playing music | 14:27 |
| ruskie | tybollt, you are most likely closer then me | 14:27 |
| cehteh | (iirc) | 14:27 |
| tybollt | ruskie: no idea, I judged from the nick... :) | 14:27 |
| cehteh | its not the weapon stuff | 14:27 |
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| RST38h | cehteh: ok, ok, a *sane* alpha-source :) | 14:28 |
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| RST38h | cehteh: tritium, etc | 14:28 |
| tybollt | Stskeeps: >:) | 14:28 |
| cehteh | polonium .. but uhm :) | 14:28 |
| RST38h | Pu is just way too crazy piece of chemistry | 14:28 |
| tybollt | Stskeeps: I bet all the N800-users tried that too? :) | 14:28 |
| siriusnova | N900 needs moar apps | 14:28 |
| siriusnova | :( | 14:28 |
| siriusnova | why is DrSnoSnes still in -devel ? | 14:28 |
| glass | but you can get polonium for free if you play your cards "right" | 14:28 |
| RST38h | sirius: write one. | 14:28 |
| tybollt | MOAR! | 14:28 |
| siriusnova | it should be in testing | 14:29 |
| tybollt | yeah | 14:29 |
| ruskie | siriusnova, start coding ;) | 14:29 |
| siriusnova | "drsnoksnes" | 14:29 |
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| cehteh | A kilogram of pure 210Po in the form of a cube would be about 48 mm (about 2 inches) on a side and emit about 140kW. | 14:29 |
| siriusnova | why is it in still in -devel | 14:29 |
| * ruskie is still waiting for Free Software emus | 14:29 | |
| tybollt | in SOVIET RUSSIA ... you get plenty oif polonium free :) | 14:29 |
| RST38h | glass: Same for americium | 14:29 |
| RST38h | tybollt: http://www.gradremstroy.ru/news/ostorozhno-radiaciya-vokrug-nas.html | 14:30 |
| RST38h | Here. FEED. | 14:30 |
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| * RST38h is actually going to give this URL to every idiot who mentions getting radioactive sources | 14:31 | |
| Stskeeps | scary, facebook xmpp actually is nice | 14:31 |
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| cehteh | what happend to this micro gas turbines which should power phones and laptops by now? | 14:32 |
| RST38h | too noisy | 14:32 |
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| * dazo filed a bug report to facebook xmpp ... for not supporting SSL :-P | 14:34 | |
| Stskeeps | why bother thinking facebook has privacy :P | 14:35 |
| dazo | Stskeeps: not about privacy ... but to protect my login password | 14:35 |
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| * dazo don't like the idea of sending username and password in clear text over the Internet | 14:35 | |
| tybollt | RST38h: Na z'dorovje tovarish! | 14:36 |
| cehteh | RST38h: there where some developement smaller than a matchbox, i doubt that these are loud | 14:37 |
| RST38h | cehteh: All were loud last time I heard of them | 14:37 |
| smaug | timeless_mbp: do you happen to know if someone is actually going to fix the email client? | 14:37 |
| * suihkulokki would like a matchbox-sized nuclear reactor | 14:38 | |
| RST38h | cehteh: apparently, as they get smaller, pitch rises :) | 14:38 |
| tybollt | dazo: xmpp can/should be encrypted... is facebook version not | 14:38 |
| timeless_mbp | smaug: which part of it? | 14:38 |
| smaug | the slowness part | 14:38 |
| dazo | tybollt: exactly my point | 14:38 |
| timeless_mbp | smaug: the mail client in a future version should stop auto collecting addresses | 14:38 |
| cehteh | yes prolly above hearable rage in ultrasound for the small ones | 14:38 |
| ruskie | lol... | 14:38 |
| RST38h | More portable cancer makers here: http://blogs.mail.ru/mail/klerik2/6482C66199726A0D.html | 14:38 |
| timeless_mbp | smaug: what mail server are you using it w/ ? | 14:38 |
| timeless_mbp | i use it w/ MfE and a small window | 14:38 |
| amigadave | dazo, tybollt: http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index.php/Integrating_with_Facebook_Chat says that DIGEST-MD5 is used | 14:38 |
| ruskie | just give us an option to actually be able to select what app is used for what | 14:38 |
| timeless_mbp | which makes it quite tolerable | 14:39 |
| smaug | well, I need imap too | 14:39 |
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| ruskie | like if someone wants to use claws they could assign to open all mailto: links with: claws-mail --compose $mailto | 14:39 |
| cehteh | RST38h: http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2001/11/48400 | 14:40 |
| cehteh | old articke | 14:40 |
| timeless_mbp | smaug: there's a third party that supposedly makes an MfE interface | 14:40 |
| timeless_mbp | they seem to do a very good job | 14:40 |
| cehteh | what happend to those .. looked quite promising, prolly failed | 14:40 |
| timeless_mbp | (i think it's commercial, but the support seems good) | 14:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | smaug: but otherwise, please don't expect much from the mail side | 14:40 |
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| smaug | :( | 14:41 |
| RST38h | cehteh: Yea, that is the MIT project. | 14:41 |
| tybollt | RST38h: btw there are some controversy the russian navy apparently dumped a bunch of containers w/ radioactive shitz into the baltic sea in .se territory when they pulled out of lithuania/latvia/whatever... | 14:41 |
| cehteh | 2.4 million rpm << i doubt you can hear that | 14:41 |
| timeless_mbp | smaug: mobile mail clients afaict all suck | 14:41 |
| smaug | email client is the one I've heard most complaints | 14:41 |
| tybollt | RST38h: that was big deal in .se just last week :P | 14:41 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp! | 14:41 |
| RST38h | tybollt: Oh Russian Navy is the least of local radioactive problems | 14:41 |
| tybollt | oh? | 14:41 |
| tybollt | how so | 14:41 |
| RST38h | tybollt: 150+ nuclear power sources powering autonomous meteo stations along the northern border, quite a few of them still unaccounted | 14:42 |
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| RST38h | tybollt: industrial radiation sources (the ones that look like heavy electric motors at those pictures) - thousands of these | 14:43 |
| tybollt | RST38h: Yikes :-S | 14:43 |
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| RST38h | tybollt: Canisters used to irradiate rye during experiments conducted in 50s-60s (these look like 3-5l butane tanks) - lots of these are lost | 14:44 |
| tybollt | probably ol in Iran by now? ;) | 14:45 |
| RST38h | tybollt: And then we have got the generic rubbish - medical equipment, watches, military equipment, etc | 14:45 |
| suihkulokki | anyone competent in xmpp awake? | 14:45 |
| RST38h | tybollt: Why would Iran need someone else's rusting radiactive junk? | 14:45 |
| * pupnik wonders when the next nuclear terror strike will happen | 14:45 | |
| ruskie | define compentent | 14:45 |
| tybollt | RST38h: what's they call it... you know what they do at sellafield in UK. "Enrichment" or something... | 14:45 |
| suihkulokki | 1) does the facebook xmpp vcard include phonenumber/address/etc | 14:46 |
| suihkulokki | 2) or does the n900 IM app simply not pull the vcard syncing contacts | 14:46 |
| RST38h | tybollt: that is uranium or plutonium enrichment. Nothing to do with general radiation sources | 14:46 |
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| tybollt | RST38h: ah these are just radioactive metal or whatever, doesn't contain uranium... of course | 14:47 |
| tronx | hello, | 14:47 |
| tronx | how can this link here http://pastebin.com/d585878f be user defined ? | 14:48 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: Care for a bug report? :) | 14:48 |
| hrw | andre__: thx | 14:49 |
| andre__ | sure | 14:49 |
| tronx | not http://pastebin.com/d585878f but the one in what is pasted. | 14:49 |
| tronx | :) | 14:49 |
| tronx | is Zenity gui possible on the n900 ? | 14:53 |
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| tronx | so, is Zenity supported on the n900 ? | 15:02 |
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| dazo | tronx: do you have zenity installed? Does it exist packages ready for it, at least in extras or devel repositories? If not, then not .... when? when somebody implements it | 15:06 |
| dazo | could even be you :) | 15:07 |
| tronx | i already found it! | 15:07 |
| sandman | does n900 got Emesene? Or is it just Pidgin? Am not very found of Pidgin... | 15:07 |
| tronx | thanks a lot :) | 15:07 |
| tronx | damn this is good, 2 line GUIs ! | 15:07 |
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| * tronx is love'n it! | 15:08 | |
| tronx | :P | 15:08 |
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| sandman | Is there a link where i can see whats in the repos? How easy is it to port a *.deb to Maemo? I have understood it should be easy or are compiling the only way? | 15:13 |
| mgedmin | sandman, I've no clue what Emesene is; I think Pidgin was ported, but is not preinstalled; the default IM is a proprietary Nokia app (AFAIU) built on top of Telepathy | 15:14 |
| mgedmin | maemo.org/packages can show you what's in the repos | 15:14 |
| Shapeshifter | Has anyone managed to sync multiple calendars from google calendar using mfe? | 15:14 |
| Shapeshifter | seems like it syncs only the first | 15:15 |
| Shapeshifter | (yeah I know its unsupported) | 15:15 |
| koala_man | sandman: if you have a x86 .deb you want to install on an arm device, you have to recompile it | 15:15 |
| mgedmin | porting a deb is moderately easy: get a Linux system, set up the SDK, download the source deb, do magic, compile, upload to extras assistant | 15:15 |
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| fragment | how can I disable hildon banners in my fullscreen app? for example the volume bar when pressing the volume keys | 15:19 |
| RST38h | you cannot | 15:19 |
| RST38h | but of course you can take over keys | 15:19 |
| fragment | RST38h: they are not showing in bounce or angry birds, for example | 15:20 |
| cehteh | prolly switching the non-composite mode on prevents that | 15:20 |
| RST38h | fragment: hmmm...actually, yes... | 15:20 |
| cehteh | you want that anyways for fullscreen | 15:20 |
| RST38h | cehteh: Kinda doubt it: when I go to full screen and use fb0, they still TRY to appear | 15:21 |
| fragment | cehteh: I have it | 15:21 |
| cehteh | ok then, just a guess | 15:21 |
| RST38h | must be another super secret XAtom | 15:21 |
| RST38h | OMG, Toshiba ships some of its R600 notebooks with OpenSolaris | 15:22 |
| RST38h | The end of the world must be near indeed | 15:22 |
| cehteh | still no ssh/sftp/rsync sharing plugin .. hey come one anyone do that please :/ | 15:22 |
| sandman | thanks mge :) | 15:22 |
| sandman | and koala too =) | 15:23 |
| Shadikka | cehteh: scp works wonders. | 15:23 |
| cehteh | Shadikka: i meant for the sharing api | 15:23 |
| Shadikka | Ah | 15:23 |
| Shadikka | My bad. | 15:24 |
| cehteh | just set up your own server as sharing endpoint and let it use some ssh capable file transfer | 15:24 |
| cehteh | i dont care if it will be scp or rsync or sftp | 15:24 |
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| vallhalla81 | Good day all | 15:27 |
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| tronx | can scripts run from /home/user/MyDocs ? | 15:40 |
| mgedmin | if you run them explicitly with sh, yes | 15:40 |
| mgedmin | otherwise, the noexec mount option kicks in | 15:40 |
| tronx | oh | 15:40 |
| tronx | i had to move it to /opt to get it to work | 15:41 |
| tronx | mgedmin : whats the best place to put stuff like this ? | 15:41 |
| mgedmin | stuff like what? | 15:41 |
| mgedmin | I put my scripts in /home/user/bin | 15:41 |
| mgedmin | and I have a ~/.profile that adds $HOME/bin to my $PATH | 15:41 |
| tronx | scripts | 15:42 |
| mgedmin | /usr/local/bin might also be a good place | 15:42 |
| tronx | right, thanks a lot. | 15:42 |
| mgedmin | actually, the default $PATH doesn't include /usr/local, so there's no advantage of that over ~/bin | 15:42 |
| Shapeshifter | how can I delete calendars? | 15:43 |
| MiXu- | The GPS on N900 ROCKS \o/ | 15:43 |
| MiXu- | 10 seconds to fix inside a building | 15:44 |
| tronx | MiXu- : whys that? \o/ | 15:44 |
| tybollt | MiXu-: probably does - but what can it be used bfor? :) | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | fine accuracy or coarse? | 15:44 |
| tronx | oh, thats nice. | 15:44 |
| MiXu- | vs. 3 minutes outside on an older Nokia | 15:44 |
| MiXu- | Stskeeps: I don't know and don't really care. :) | 15:44 |
| hrw | MiXu-: try to do that without online connection | 15:44 |
| MiXu- | But it's not "+-500meters" if that's what you're suggesting | 15:45 |
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| tronx | mgedmin : i dont have /home/user/bin if i create it, would i be able to run stuff from there ? | 15:45 |
| mgedmin | MiXu-, I _bet_ you're getting location data from a cell tower | 15:45 |
| mgedmin | pull the SIM card and you'll enjoy 15-minute GPS fix times with no chance inside or near buildings | 15:45 |
| mgedmin | tronx, yes | 15:45 |
| tronx | great. | 15:46 |
| MiXu- | mgedmin: It's not just the cell tower | 15:46 |
| MiXu- | There's real gps data in it too | 15:46 |
| mgedmin | agps, yes | 15:47 |
| MiXu- | But the point here is that now it's fast enough to be actually used for geotagging. | 15:47 |
| MiXu- | Yeah. | 15:47 |
| MiXu- | And things like that | 15:47 |
| Shapeshifter | mh. the builtin mail app kinda doesn't really do a good job. I tried using claws mail on the n900 but that is kinda cramped. does anyone use a mail app different to the builtin one? | 15:47 |
| MiXu- | Shapeshifter: What is it that you're missing? | 15:48 |
| hrw | Shapeshifter: after 51.1 I moved to default one. but it still does it poorly | 15:48 |
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| * hrw wants ProfiMail/maemo5 | 15:48 | |
| Shapeshifter | MiXu-: proper IMAP | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: pro or con a 'Licensing' category in bugzilla, where we'd maintain a 'open sourcing' queue through generating reports sorting by votes/priority? | 15:48 |
| Shapeshifter | MiXu-: and rule based sorting of incoming mails into folders | 15:49 |
| Shapeshifter | I receive tons of mailing list mails and I don't want them all in my inbox but in subfolders and marked as read automatically. | 15:49 |
| MiXu- | I use gmail so I don't have that problem | 15:49 |
| Shapeshifter | MiXu-: you mean you have the moving rules online? | 15:50 |
| MiXu- | Shapeshifter: Yes | 15:50 |
| Shapeshifter | and they show up on the device in the subfolders? mh, that's a good idea | 15:50 |
| MiXu- | I haven't checked the subfolders though, since it's all junk :) | 15:50 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, interesting idea... though I'm wondering whether a keyword might make more sense | 15:51 |
| MiXu- | They seem to be there like you'd expect. | 15:51 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: general idea is to have it ability to have reports like http://tinyurl.com/ykfexsb where an internal can then see what's currently a hot topic in open sourcing and can select the different priorities/or go by the popular vote etc | 15:54 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: and then the internal would assign bug to him/herself, work the internal procedure for the stuff, return with an answer, etc :P | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | also, if it's possible, a custom bug description template (no idea if we support that) | 15:55 |
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| andre__ | uhm, that's a bit more complicated | 15:56 |
| andre__ | but could be done after having bugzilla 3.4 | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | like, the plain text one | 15:57 |
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| Stskeeps | otherwise i can always ask people to use a certain one and copy-paste it :P | 15:57 |
| andre__ | hehe | 15:57 |
| andre__ | so, either new product, or keyword. I prefer the latter, but I can't really provide arguments :) | 15:57 |
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| Lumpio- | ncmpc | 15:57 |
| Lumpio- | ...oops | 15:57 |
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| Shapeshifter | mh. no mutt package | 15:59 |
| mgedmin | mutt's imap is painful | 15:59 |
| mgedmin | better ssh directly onto your server and run mutt remotely | 15:59 |
| mgedmin | shame about screen screwing things up | 15:59 |
| mgedmin | on a n810 I could open osso-xterm, ssh to my server, run screen, run mutt and all worked perfectly | 16:00 |
| Shapeshifter | mhh | 16:00 |
| mgedmin | on a n900 if I try that, non-ascii characters bork everything, and my enter key doesn't work (sends <esc>OM which mutt ends up not understanding) | 16:00 |
| mgedmin | if I remove screen from the equation, things work fine | 16:00 |
| mgedmin | I don't understand why | 16:00 |
| mgedmin | anyway, I find n900's modest to be acceptable for reading mail | 16:00 |
| MiXu- | I use a utf-8 screen on a remote host and everything works fine | 16:01 |
| Shapeshifter | mgedmin: odd. I accessed my server using ssh from the n900 and attached to screen running irssi and enter works fine | 16:01 |
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| Stskeeps | well, i guess keyword would make bugs flow into the right product, but otoh, a 'Licensing' is a nice place to keep it all organised and have the licensing request end up at first tier (me) and then later get assigned to another.. and then priority etc being switched | 16:01 |
| MiXu- | You can try running screen in UTF8 mode like 'screen -U -r' | 16:01 |
| xt | mgedmin: try screen -U | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | and those who are interested in licensing wars can add themselves to that product ;) | 16:01 |
| mgedmin | xt, what does that mean? | 16:01 |
| mgedmin | UTF-8? | 16:02 |
| xt | yes | 16:02 |
| mgedmin | is there a ~/.screenrc option for that? | 16:02 |
| xt | yes | 16:02 |
| xt | defutf8 on, iirc | 16:02 |
| mgedmin | strangest of all, from my laptop (gnome-terminal => same libvte as osso-xterm really) things work fine | 16:02 |
| mgedmin | screen -U helps | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: think i'll make a proposal on community for it and then return with implementation details when people stopped arguing :P | 16:03 |
| mgedmin | but Enter still won't work | 16:03 |
| mgedmin | under screen | 16:03 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, okay :) | 16:03 |
| mgedmin | defutf8 on makes screen destroy my characters (č becomes ?) | 16:04 |
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| mgedmin | locale issue? | 16:04 |
| mgedmin | but locale charmap correctly prints UTF-8 (after complaining about LC_MESSAGES and LC_ALL) | 16:05 |
| * mgedmin hates GNU screen | 16:05 | |
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| mgedmin | yep, locale issue | 16:07 |
| mgedmin | adding en_GB en_GB.UTF-8 to /etc/locale.alias fixed screen | 16:07 |
| mgedmin | stupid screen | 16:07 |
| mgedmin | you're supposed to pay attention to LC_CTYPE which already had the .UTF-8 | 16:07 |
| mgedmin | stupid screen | 16:07 |
| Shapeshifter | for some reason one of my email accounts (a gmail account) always is bold. But I don't have any new mail. I don't really have any mail at all there | 16:07 |
| mgedmin | stupid | 16:07 |
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| mgedmin | I suppose the "Enter is an unknown key" issue arises from some vt100 init sequence that screen emits | 16:08 |
| amigadave | Shapeshifter: the default email account (for sending i think) is highlighted in bold | 16:09 |
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| tybollt | hmm any users of Tweakr around here | 16:09 |
| tybollt | ? | 16:09 |
| Shapeshifter | amigadave: ahh | 16:09 |
| xt | mgedmin: it's not screen's fault | 16:09 |
| mgedmin | oh? | 16:09 |
| amigadave | Shapeshifter: confused me too :) | 16:09 |
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| libben | any app for recording sound with the phone? | 16:12 |
| libben | like a dictaphone | 16:12 |
| libben | i want to record a sound in my office. | 16:13 |
| libben | but cant find any app for it really | 16:13 |
| satmd | recorder? | 16:14 |
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| satmd | I'd have to check which repo | 16:14 |
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| libben | recorder is in repos | 16:15 |
| libben | ill take that | 16:15 |
| libben | thxs | 16:15 |
| libben | was looking in the app manager | 16:15 |
| mgedmin | a-ha! | 16:16 |
| ifreq | app manager uses repos :P | 16:16 |
| mgedmin | infocmp -l1 xterm|grep kent -> kent=\EOM | 16:16 |
| ifreq | you can search inside of appmanager | 16:16 |
| hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/02/11/mdbus2-for-maemo5/ | 16:16 |
| mgedmin | but infocmp -l1 screen|grep kent -> it's not defined! | 16:16 |
| mgedmin | that's why mutt and all other apps cannot recognize my Enter key under screen | 16:16 |
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| libben | is there any nice little sound editor in the repos also that works decent on n900 ? | 16:17 |
| libben | so you can cut etc etc | 16:17 |
| pupnik | no | 16:17 |
| aswat | Hy everyone ! | 16:18 |
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| aswat | I am a happy N900 user and I was wondering if there was a way to display/control the media play while the phone is locked | 16:19 |
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| dazo | aswat: don't think so .... but how would you imagine that? | 16:19 |
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| dazo | aswat: it's not necessarily a bad idea ... just how it could be implemented ... if possible, I dunno | 16:20 |
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| pupnik | i need 3-4000 mAh for one day with n900 | 16:23 |
| pupnik | if using it a lot | 16:23 |
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| Shadikka | dazo: Accelerometer, iPod-style. :P | 16:24 |
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| dazo | Shadikka: actually, there is a accelerometer controller for media player already in one of the extras repos, iirc .... but iPod style ... hey, that should be doable though ;-) | 16:25 |
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| dazo | Shadikka: just wonder if it's possible to override the normal "lock" screen which you get when hitting the power key .... changing that with "iPod style" controller would be nice | 16:26 |
| Shadikka | dazo: Why am I not actually even surprised.. :D | 16:26 |
| dazo | :) | 16:26 |
| Shadikka | I don't know that much about the OS's inner workings, but I'd expect it to be possible. | 16:26 |
| dazo | pupnik: 3-4000mAh ~ 3-4 batteries :-P | 16:27 |
| sandman | libben: try to convice someone to port Audacity to Maemo http://audacity.sourceforge.net/?lang=sv | 16:27 |
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| pupnik | or two mugens | 16:27 |
| dazo | Shadikka: it's just about catching the right hook and override the application being run, and run another one .... shouldn't be worse ... in theory | 16:27 |
| pupnik | will buy them asap | 16:28 |
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| dazo | pupnik: considered a hat with solar panels? :-P | 16:28 |
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| Shadikka | Indeed, in theory. | 16:28 |
| tybollt | I want a hat w/ an iron rod innit so I can go out when there's thuinder outside and find out if I'll get struck | 16:29 |
| tybollt | It'll likely kill me but then I will atleast get the satifaction of knowing if it "works" or not :) | 16:29 |
| dazo | tybollt: and if you do .... it would charge your N900 rapidly quickly too!!!! | 16:30 |
| dazo | :-P | 16:30 |
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| tybollt | dazo: cactly! | 16:30 |
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| dazo | tybollt: but in fact ... if that iron rod is grounded .... in theory, you would be inside a Faraday's cage, which means you should not be hit .... that's why it's safe to be inside a car .... the lightning strike is directed around you | 16:31 |
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| dazo | but please, don't blame me if you decide to test it out!!!!! | 16:32 |
| satmd | (faraday: electrons push each other away, thus trying to form a "hull" instead of going to the center) | 16:32 |
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| pupnik | mugen now shipping 2200mAh battery! (?) http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/rss/catalog/category/cid/854/ | 16:34 |
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| pupnik | just added today | 16:35 |
| satmd | rss'ed link | 16:35 |
| mikhas | pupnik, seems like a good deal to me | 16:35 |
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| mikhas | and its 2.4 Ah, not 2.2 | 16:36 |
| pupnik | http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/nokia/nokia-n900/mugen-power-nokia-n900-2400mah-extended-replacement-battery-with-battery-door.html | 16:36 |
| range | Yeah, but doesn't it make the machine look a little fat? | 16:36 |
| pupnik | dont care! | 16:36 |
| range | I do, it's a phone :) | 16:36 |
| nid0 | no, it makes the machine look a *lot* fat | 16:37 |
| pupnik | wow 7mm | 16:37 |
| pupnik | too bad the larger batt doesnt spread over the whole case width | 16:38 |
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| range | can't really see what they do with the camera, though. | 16:39 |
| pupnik | makes for a nice hiding place for herb | 16:39 |
| nid0 | it seems a very unpolished design to just have a mammoth oblong battery and huge back cover for the entire device with tons of wasted volume inside | 16:39 |
| pupnik | the sliding cover has no lens range | 16:39 |
| inz | you could have your movie collection on microsds inside! | 16:40 |
| nid0 | rather just carry on lugging my 2000mAh solar recharger with me and keep the phone itself half sensible, and still get more total power | 16:40 |
| libben | is there anyway to get the phone to disconnect internet if it's not being used for like 3-4 minutes? | 16:40 |
| libben | cause right now, if u do something that requieres online, it goes online. But it's a bit of a hassle to disconnect everytime | 16:41 |
| satmd | wireless or 2g/3g? | 16:41 |
| libben | wifi | 16:41 |
| libben | and 3g i guess | 16:41 |
| libben | cause it drains the battery also | 16:41 |
| libben | my 3g only connects when im outside the office and starts to stream in mediaplayer | 16:42 |
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| libben | then it pops up, and when im done, i need to disconnect. | 16:42 |
| libben | would be nice with something that checked if anything happens within a time range. | 16:42 |
| pupnik | one click and one tap to disconnet | 16:42 |
| * satmd would love to trigger wireless on when plugging in usb | 16:42 | |
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| satmd | hm | 16:43 |
| sandman | shouldn a bash-script be able to do that | 16:43 |
| satmd | sure, probably | 16:43 |
| libben | pupnik: well its 2 clicks 2 many =) | 16:43 |
| satmd | I have installed the sdk, but not played with it yet | 16:44 |
| satmd | so I'd not know where to poke at /proc or /sys | 16:45 |
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| satmd | wait a sec | 16:45 |
| satmd | libben: maybe longpress is something for you | 16:45 |
| satmd | toggles offline mode with the slide on the right side | 16:46 |
| pupnik | apparently mugen could not produce a battery with a stepped design. | 16:48 |
| libben | u mean the lock button on the right side ? | 16:48 |
| satmd | yes | 16:48 |
| satmd | if you hold it long, it'll toggle | 16:49 |
| libben | installing it now | 16:49 |
| libben | to try it | 16:49 |
| satmd | :D | 16:49 |
| satmd | it seems longpress caused our company access point to crash right now when I was trying | 16:50 |
| libben | hmm | 16:50 |
| libben | longpress is disabling 3g | 16:50 |
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| libben | whats the icon thats popping when surfing without wifi? | 16:50 |
| satmd | it's disabling every connectivity | 16:50 |
| libben | so no phone calls? | 16:50 |
| satmd | a white ball with 2 arrows | 16:50 |
| satmd | yes | 16:50 |
| libben | yeah | 16:50 |
| libben | whats that 2 arrows? | 16:51 |
| libben | i taught that was the 3g thing | 16:51 |
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| satmd | well, if longpress and shortcutd would merge and have more choice - that'd be great | 16:51 |
| sandman | libben: i would try to make a bash-script that activates on click or screensaver. Am not sure how to do it on N900 but this could help you http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=383392 | 16:51 |
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| Tronx | it seems because bash isnt installed i cant get zenity to work well | 16:56 |
| libben | so whats the ball with two arrows? | 16:56 |
| Tronx | for example i cand define $something | 16:56 |
| crashanddie | Tronx: environment variables work fine | 16:57 |
| Tronx | if i run zenity url=`zenity --title="Axel GUI" --text="Enter url" --entry` axel --num-connections=8 http://"$url" | 16:57 |
| aswat | <dazo>: well, a friend of mine as a android device that has this feature, and I really believe it could be nice | 16:57 |
| SpeedEvil | libben: that's a internet-over-phone icon | 16:57 |
| Tronx | $url is always blank at the end. | 16:57 |
| Tronx | crashanddie : any suggestions ? | 16:58 |
| SpeedEvil | you can't do that | 16:58 |
| crashanddie | Tronx: export lol="how to learn using environment variables" | 16:58 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 16:58 |
| luke-jr | Tronx: that's not how you define url in the first place | 16:58 |
| Tronx | luke-jr : thats not mine http://www.discala.co.uk/shell_scripts/axelgui | 16:58 |
| aswat | <dazo>: the idea is to display the media player when short pressing a button | 16:58 |
| Tronx | it works on my laptop just doesnt on the n900 | 16:59 |
| luke-jr | Tronx: you copied it wrong | 16:59 |
| libben | SpeedEvil: so when i got connected and stop doing stuff over the net, whats the status of it then? Battery drainer or what? | 16:59 |
| cpasjuste | can i completly remove a package i uploaded to devel ? | 16:59 |
| SpeedEvil | libben: fairly innocuous. | 16:59 |
| SpeedEvil | libben: it drains a bit - not a lot more power | 16:59 |
| Tronx | luke-jr : the one in the link doesnt even run, i had to add zenity before the first line and remove #!/bin/sh | 16:59 |
| mgedmin | eek | 17:00 |
| libben | i still would feel better if the wifi and the phone over internet went and disconnected | 17:00 |
| Shapeshifter | I can't install liqbase-playground as apparently libliqbase1 is missing. | 17:00 |
| SpeedEvil | libben: you can however set 'always ask' | 17:00 |
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| Shapeshifter | (^ lcuk?) | 17:00 |
| SpeedEvil | libben: in settings -> network | 17:00 |
| luke-jr | Tronx: then your system is not POSIX compliant | 17:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | libben: and it will never reconnect | 17:00 |
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| lcuk | Shapeshifter, which repo | 17:00 |
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| Tronx | luke-jr : it works on my system, just doesnt on the n900. | 17:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | Tronx: were you trying to run it in MyDocs? | 17:01 |
| libben | SpeedEvil: the connection aint the problem. its that it dont disconnect automatically after some minuts of inactivity | 17:01 |
| mgedmin | Tronx, what exactly are you running and how are you running it? | 17:01 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: extra-devel | 17:01 |
| Tronx | SpeedEvil : no in /home/user/bin as some user here suggested , it runs. | 17:01 |
| Tronx | mgedmin : its just some gui zenity script for axel | 17:02 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, should be there | 17:02 |
| SpeedEvil | libben: ah | 17:02 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: Application packages missin libliqbase1(>=0.3.57) | 17:02 |
| mgedmin | Tronx, that's not specific enough if you want me to help solve your problem | 17:02 |
| lcuk | you could always grab all the latest from my github github.com/lcuk much later than the stuff in repo | 17:02 |
| Tronx | mgedmin: here it is http://www.discala.co.uk/shell_scripts/axelgui | 17:02 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: okay | 17:02 |
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| Tronx | mgedmin : just asks the user for a link and puts it in a command | 17:03 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, the playground is being smashed to pieces slowly tho, and more and more of the loose components in the widget soup are being pushed into standalone apps and packages | 17:03 |
| lcuk | so if you want to play, start with something like liqflow as a standalone | 17:04 |
| Shapeshifter | yep I see | 17:04 |
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| mgedmin | Tronx, but you said you modified the script | 17:04 |
| SpeedEvil | wfm | 17:04 |
| mgedmin | and you said you had problems running the original | 17:04 |
| SpeedEvil | replacing the last line with echo --num-connections=8 http://"$user":"$pass"@"$url" | 17:05 |
| mgedmin | what problems exactly? | 17:05 |
| SpeedEvil | ./axelgui | 17:05 |
| SpeedEvil | --num-connections=8 http://B:C@A | 17:05 |
| mgedmin | what exactly did you run and where? | 17:05 |
| SpeedEvil | after entering a b c | 17:05 |
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| Tronx | SpeedEvil : did you do that on your n900 ? | 17:06 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 17:06 |
| Tronx | mgedmin : i had the script in /home/user/bin it didnt even run | 17:06 |
| mgedmin | how did you run it? what were the error messages? | 17:06 |
| SpeedEvil | works as root or user | 17:07 |
| Tronx | damn it | 17:07 |
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| * mgedmin remarks that this feels like pulling teeth | 17:07 | |
| cpasjuste | whoa, we can't make big packages since apt-cache is on nand ? | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Tronx: pastebin the exact error messages you get with the above script - unchanged | 17:07 |
| mgedmin | cpasjuste, HAM uses /home/MyDocs/ for downloaded packages, doesn't it? | 17:07 |
| Tronx | ok let me go try it agian, i'll come back to bother you guys if it doesnt :) | 17:07 |
| cpasjuste | mgedmin what do you mean ? | 17:07 |
| cpasjuste | can i say autobuilder to do that ? | 17:08 |
| mgedmin | Hildon Application Manager doesn't use /var/cache/apt/archives, as far as I know | 17:08 |
| cpasjuste | haaaa | 17:08 |
| cpasjuste | woot | 17:08 |
| mgedmin | sudo apt-get, however, does use /var | 17:08 |
| cpasjuste | would be great, i did try with apt-get ... stupid me :) | 17:08 |
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| Shapeshifter | lcuk: liqcalendar is soo smooth | 17:09 |
| cpasjuste | so cool thanks :x | 17:09 |
| cpasjuste | was nervous :) | 17:09 |
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| lcuk | Shapeshifter, lots of things are :) | 17:10 |
| cpasjuste | cool mgedmin it work :p | 17:11 |
| lcuk | on n900 its a dream | 17:11 |
| lcuk | on n810 its fabulous too | 17:11 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: But I'm guessing that's also due to nice code | 17:11 |
| lcuk | the framework was designed to run as fast/smooth as possible on n810 - at the time i started it i didnt even know the next nokia device number ;) | 17:12 |
| Tronx | :D | 17:13 |
| Tronx | it works! | 17:13 |
| lcuk | i knew though that the improvements would directly benefit n900 | 17:13 |
| Tronx | thanks for the help guy. | 17:13 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: :) | 17:13 |
| Shapeshifter | good stuff. | 17:13 |
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| Tronx | whats the shortcut to complete filenames in cli ? | 17:14 |
| Tronx | ctrl+what ? | 17:14 |
| Shapeshifter | Tronx: TAB | 17:14 |
| Tronx | right, thx | 17:14 |
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| mgedmin | Tronx, ctrl-i is the same thing as tab in xterm | 17:16 |
| Tronx | :) | 17:17 |
| Tronx | thats the one i had read, thx | 17:17 |
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| Tronx | mgedmin : you think it would be possible to add a progress bar to this script ? | 17:18 |
| mgedmin | no clue | 17:18 |
| dazo | aswat: exactly my thought as well ... unfortunately, I'm useless with writing GUI apps ... but if I get some spare time, I'll have a look at it :) | 17:19 |
| guysoft42 | hey all, | 17:20 |
| satmd | hmmmmmmmm | 17:20 |
| guysoft42 | i thought i might draw your attention to the fact that sygic, specifically sygic in Israel are selling GPS software with a claim it supports some kind of linux. when it supports none at this time | 17:21 |
| guysoft42 | is this against the law? | 17:21 |
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| Shapeshifter | So I looked up how to configure ash, and apparently its supposed to source .profile. But it does not on the n900. Where do I put my config for ash? | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44127 - Proposal for open sourcing queue | 17:22 |
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| * satmd found out that he can use the n900 as a bug | 17:24 | |
| satmd | not much use however :D | 17:24 |
| Shapeshifter | nevermind, figured it out | 17:26 |
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| Tronx | mgedmin : could format effect scripts and cause them not to run ? | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | what? | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | do you mean affect? | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | and what do you mean by "format"? | 17:39 |
| Tronx | for example the same script i was trying to get to work a moment ago didnt when i copied it from windows to the n900 | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | MS-DOS newlines? | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | yes, CRLF instead of LF _will break your shell scripts_ | 17:39 |
| Tronx | but did work when i saved it from the site to the n900 directly | 17:40 |
| mgedmin | compare file sizes | 17:40 |
| Tronx | that must be it | 17:40 |
| mgedmin | if the script gets larger when you copy from windows than when you download directly, you'll know what it is | 17:41 |
| sar3th | it's impossible to run java apps on the n900, right? | 17:41 |
| sar3th | eG big java apps, as NetBeans, or small java apps, which were developed for mobile phones | 17:42 |
| tybollt | ugh | 17:42 |
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| aswat | @<dazo> : I am trying to set up the SDK on Fedora 12 x68_64 to see what I can do | 17:43 |
| dazo | aswat: neat! Let me know how your SDK setup will work out ... I'm going to that on my own laptop soon, F12/x86_64 :) | 17:44 |
| adalal | anyone here knows what gateway the msn haze plugin uses to connect to the live messenger servers? | 17:44 |
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| aswat | @dazo: no luck there | 17:46 |
| aswat | stuck with this : | 17:46 |
| dazo | aswat: It's not going to be easy, I've understood .... my "plan b" is to do it in a VM | 17:46 |
| aswat | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! | 17:47 |
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| Shapeshifter | I think I've broken microb. it doesn't load any pages (while midori does), and when I click on Web↓ "Options" or "New Window", nothing happens | 17:47 |
| aswat | E: Scratchbox command 'sb-conf setup' returned error 0. | 17:47 |
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| X-Fade | Shapeshifter: Browser switcher of something like that installed? | 17:47 |
| aswat | I installed the Scratchbox successfully | 17:48 |
| aswat | but not the SDK | 17:48 |
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| mikhas | guys, do yourself a favour and use the GUI installer from Forum Nokia, really ... | 17:48 |
| Shapeshifter | X-Fade: nope | 17:48 |
| aswat | @mikhas: does it work on x86_64 platerforms ? | 17:48 |
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| mikhas | it works here | 17:49 |
| mikhas | but yeah, I might just have been lucky with that | 17:49 |
| sandman | sar3th: do you know why java wont work? Isn't the debian libs working? | 17:50 |
| sar3th | sandman: i haven't tried it yet, i was asking if anyone already did ;) | 17:51 |
| sandman | hehe ok :) | 17:51 |
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| aswat | not working for me | 17:52 |
| aswat | I am getting this error : TypeError: QWizardPage.registerField(QString, QWidget, str property=None, SIGNAL() changedSignal=0): argument 4 has unexpected type 'str' | 17:53 |
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| mikhas | that looks like a python error to me, aswat | 17:58 |
| mikhas | you might need to run the installer with python2.5 or 2.6? | 17:58 |
| aswat | ok | 17:59 |
| aswat | I have python 2.6 | 17:59 |
| aswat | that might be it | 17:59 |
| sar3th | that looks like something with qt :O | 18:00 |
| aswat | might be that I am running QT 4.6.1 with KDE 4.4. ;) | 18:00 |
| aswat | too bad | 18:01 |
| mikhas | no, it is python or your python bindings | 18:01 |
| w00t | or it could be that you've made a mistake in what you're doing | 18:02 |
| mikhas | say, it didn't try to apt-get the missing packages? | 18:02 |
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| w00t | what is your code for that line? | 18:02 |
| aswat | ./maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py | 18:02 |
| aswat | pretty simple as root | 18:02 |
| w00t | oh, sdk | 18:02 |
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| w00t | hrm. | 18:03 |
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| w00t | where'd you get it from? | 18:03 |
| aswat | actually I have tried the manual install described here : http://www.martindengler.com/index.html#2010-02-03 | 18:03 |
| sar3th | hm, then it's an error in the script maybe :| | 18:03 |
| aswat | http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html | 18:03 |
| aswat | that's where I got the python script | 18:03 |
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| aswat | I'm not sure if it is supposed to work on x86_64 | 18:05 |
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| mikhas | aswat, ask the maintainers then | 18:09 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51, jebba, PaulFertser_, luke-jr: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44127 | 18:17 |
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| LuciusMare | ohai | 18:17 |
| thresh | OHAI | 18:17 |
| LuciusMare | can the light or proximity sensor in n900 be used to sense motion? | 18:18 |
| ifreq | LuciusMare: why not the webcam? | 18:18 |
| LuciusMare | well | 18:19 |
| LuciusMare | right, i didnt thought of it, it might be the paranoia, i am afraid of being spied | 18:19 |
| ifreq | ive built motion (linux security webcam) app for maemo5 and it worked just nicely | 18:19 |
| tripzero | mm... motion is nice | 18:19 |
| LuciusMare | hm | 18:19 |
| LuciusMare | motion also triggers on light change, doesnt it? | 18:19 |
| ifreq | tho didnt upload it to repos as it needs quite much console work to be usable.. and maybe some sms etc.. | 18:19 |
| ifreq | guess so | 18:20 |
| Lumpio- | You could make it ignore slow changes in light | 18:20 |
| Lumpio- | Like the sun | 18:20 |
| ifreq | its quite configurable | 18:20 |
| mgedmin | oh, cool, PR1.1 lets me merge more than two contacts at once! | 18:20 |
| LuciusMare | well, but my lightbulbs does not dim slowly | 18:20 |
| aswat | Is there a way to raise the number of "displayed" applet on the N900 ? | 18:20 |
| aswat | I am limited to 9 | 18:21 |
| aswat | there is enought space for 2 additionnal ones | 18:22 |
| aswat | on my opinion | 18:22 |
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| hrw | re | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | lo qole | 18:22 |
| qole | Stskeeps, good morning | 18:23 |
| hrw | hej Stskeeps | 18:23 |
| qole | or whatever it is for you :) | 18:23 |
| hrw | ~ugt | 18:23 |
| hrw | ;d | 18:23 |
| infobot | ugt is, like, Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 18:23 |
| mgedmin | heh | 18:23 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: posted a question | 18:23 |
| LuciusMare | morning,then | 18:23 |
| qole | hrw, thanks | 18:24 |
| dracflamloc | is there any good way to avoid the dreaded microusb breaking? | 18:24 |
| mgedmin | doesn't the Facebook XMPP thing kina make Hermes obsolete? | 18:24 |
| lcuk | yes, do not use nokia charging cable as skipping rope | 18:24 |
| qole | treat the microusb connector like it e | 18:24 |
| |R | don't try to catch a cow by spinning your n900 with the usb cable? :) | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: thanks | 18:24 |
| qole | like it is made of paper | 18:25 |
| hrw | mgedmin: hermes got obsoleted some time ago I think | 18:25 |
| lcuk | hi qole | 18:25 |
| hrw | mgedmin: when facebook and twitter support for contacts landed | 18:25 |
| qole | lcuk, good morning | 18:25 |
| * lcuk offers bacon and coffee | 18:25 | |
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| qole | there's twitter support for contacts?!? | 18:26 |
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| mgedmin | oh, the telepathy plugins? | 18:26 |
| qole | lcuk, just had breakfast, on the bus to work | 18:26 |
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| hrw | mgedmin: yes | 18:26 |
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| Shapeshifter | mh. how can I reset the microb config? I looked at the home dir but I'm scared of just deleting /home/use/.mozilla/microb | 18:27 |
| qole | so anyone know why lzma decompressing is slower than bzip2 on the N900? | 18:27 |
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| LuciusMare | uh huh, the fremantle version of sleep says "sleep: invalid number 0.1", while it parses correctly on my desktop | 18:30 |
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| qole | Stskeeps, about the openness numbers you compiled... have they gotten better for Diablo in the past year, or have they remained stable? | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | qole, in terms of opening components/developed openly, of course.. but i only have limited data | 18:31 |
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| qole | St | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | qole, worth checking out my newest post about open sourcing queue | 18:32 |
| qole | Stskeeps, so Diablo's a moving target, even after abandonment. Good to know. | 18:32 |
| LuciusMare | Shapeshifter: then move it somewhere else | 18:32 |
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| Stskeeps | qole, it is still on my list yes and still being prioritised for open sourcing | 18:33 |
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| qole | Stskeeps, do you mean http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html | 18:36 |
| qole | Stskeeps, could you link to open sourcing queue post? | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | qole, nop, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44127 | 18:37 |
| qole | thanks | 18:37 |
| petteri | is there a way send messages to specific jabber resource from the built in instant messanger app | 18:38 |
| petteri | for example if my friend has logged in from his desktop and n900 and I wanted to send message to the n900 | 18:38 |
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| qole | Stskeeps, wow, that sounds great! | 18:39 |
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| hrw | petteri: internal one does not support it | 18:39 |
| petteri | hrw: ok thanks :( | 18:40 |
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| Stskeeps | qole, hopefully it means we will be able to churn more things open source - and have a sober discussion doing this | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: cool | 18:41 |
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| qole | Stskeeps, DocScrutinizer, very very cool... adds some much needed focus to the process, as well as clarity. Getting clear answers component by component will be nice. | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | and we also provide proper arguments for why it would be a good idea and showing it won't just be crickets sound if opened | 18:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well to me it seems the suggestion to open a ticket for open up source of some component is not all new, but Stskeeps implemented a much clearer hirarchy and precise roles and standard operation procedures | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i have been on the community side enough to be really frustrated over things :) | 18:48 |
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| poitsu | nice to see qole | 18:51 |
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| qole | poitsu, are you saying hi, or was that part of another discussion? | 18:53 |
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| tripzero | qole, he's just sniping you | 18:55 |
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| poitsu | just semi-rare to see you in irc | 18:55 |
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| qole | pupnik, yes it is :) | 18:56 |
| shinkamui | hey pup | 18:58 |
| shinkamui | nik | 18:58 |
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| osxx | Please rate video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOUGWeN2amY | 19:01 |
| qole | I am hoping to hang out more in IRC, especially if I fgure out the 240 second disconnect. | 19:01 |
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| hrw | bug #8989 got better pictures | 19:04 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8989 number -> name decoding for sms should only be decoded from phone number fields of contacts | 19:04 |
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| hrw | now waiting for nokia devs to check it | 19:05 |
| woglinde_train | haha | 19:05 |
| hrw | woglinde_train: in other words: maemo7 at least | 19:06 |
| wazd | wow, nokia ressurected n800 :D | 19:07 |
| woglinde_train | hm? | 19:07 |
| wazd | 12mpix camera, 720p video, HDMI :) | 19:07 |
| wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/11/nokia-n8-00-first-symbian-3-handset-with-12-megapixel-camera-7/ | 19:07 |
| woglinde_train | guruplug video? | 19:07 |
| hrw | N8 | 19:07 |
| woglinde_train | guruplug rockz | 19:08 |
| tripzero | does look quite awesome | 19:08 |
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| qole | N8-00 will still only have a 3.5" screen! | 19:11 |
| X-Fade | qole: It is a phone. | 19:12 |
| pupnik | any haxxor know if there's a larger screen compatible with n900 ? | 19:12 |
| pupnik | same cable, signals? | 19:12 |
| X-Fade | qole: Phones can't get a lot bigger than that without looking silly :) | 19:12 |
| qole | BAH. | 19:12 |
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| X-Fade | qole: For that it need to be a _tablet_ :) | 19:13 |
| pupnik | i have a broken psion netbook that would enjoy a n900 inside | 19:13 |
| woglinde_train | hi x-fade | 19:13 |
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| qole | You Europeans and your skinny jeans and tiny pockets. | 19:13 |
| woglinde_train | pupnik we have a nopt broken psion for alle the fairs and the openembedded stand | 19:13 |
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| pupnik | nopt woglinde_train "? | 19:14 |
| woglinde_train | no | 19:14 |
| woglinde_train | eepc 901 keys | 19:14 |
| woglinde_train | and train | 19:14 |
| pupnik | hah | 19:14 |
| woglinde_train | nopt=no | 19:14 |
| woglinde_train | areh not | 19:14 |
| woglinde_train | args | 19:14 |
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| woglinde_train | I am typing to fast | 19:15 |
| pupnik | do you want my netbook for parts? | 19:15 |
| woglinde_train | hm ask florian | 19:16 |
| woglinde_train | he maintains the stuff | 19:16 |
| pupnik | nickname is florian? | 19:16 |
| lcuk | woglinde_train, what are you training for? | 19:16 |
| woglinde_train | yes | 19:16 |
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| jose_manrique | hello | 19:16 |
| woglinde_train | lcuk *g* | 19:16 |
| jose_manrique | does N900 support L2CAP?? | 19:16 |
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| woglinde_RE7 | lcuk better now? | 19:18 |
| woglinde_RE7 | its the train number | 19:18 |
| fiferboy | In case anyone here is not aware: losing your job sucks :( | 19:18 |
| woglinde_RE7 | fiferboy uh | 19:18 |
| woglinde_RE7 | yes | 19:18 |
| lcuk | :D haha | 19:18 |
| lcuk | :O fiferboy | 19:18 |
| lcuk | :( | 19:18 |
| qole | I think BT headsets are making handset size more irrelevant. A big 4.3" screen would be fine if it had a headset in the box for those who don't like sticking a big device against their ear... | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | :( fiferboy | 19:18 |
| qole | :( fiferboy | 19:19 |
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| fiferboy | Thanks guys. My new full-time job is looking for a new full-time job | 19:19 |
| woglinde_RE7 | fiferboy you will get a new one | 19:19 |
| qole | It happened to you? With a little baby? | 19:19 |
| fiferboy | qole: Yeah, not the best timing | 19:19 |
| dracflamloc | =( | 19:19 |
| woglinde_RE7 | fiferboy even lcuk found something new | 19:19 |
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| qole | hahahaha | 19:20 |
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| fiferboy | woglinde_RE7: True :) | 19:20 |
| pupnik | how about sunglasses that magically overlay a 19" 800x600 screen on my FOV | 19:20 |
| derf | 19"? | 19:21 |
| derf | Those would be big sunglasses. | 19:21 |
| qole | pupnik, as long as the screen really is 800x600... | 19:21 |
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| Stskeeps | fiferboy: you were a qt'er too weren't you? | 19:21 |
| qole | most of those display glasses have woeful resolution | 19:21 |
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| pupnik | yes | 19:21 |
| fiferboy | Stskeeps: Yes, I have done lots of work with it and some work on it | 19:21 |
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| fiferboy | Stskeeps: But not professionally | 19:21 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy, man, that's brutal. | 19:22 |
| jose_manrique | sorry, I would like to know if N900/fremantle supports L2CAP.... anynone knoes? | 19:22 |
| fiferboy | GAN900: Yeah, I'm not coming down to Florida now :( | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | fiferboy: well at least that's an advantage | 19:22 |
| qole | fiferboy, would you move to the states for a job? Or europe? | 19:22 |
| fiferboy | Although my manager nicely gave me the time off to book it a week before I was let go | 19:22 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy, I can imagiine. | 19:22 |
| pupnik | next conference: somewhere with sun, beach and cheap food please | 19:23 |
| fiferboy | qole: We might consider Europe. My wife doesn't want to go to the States | 19:23 |
| * pupnik freezes in the dark | 19:23 | |
| qole | fiferboy, In many ways I don't blame her. But California is nice... | 19:24 |
| qole | Vancouver is nice too :D | 19:24 |
| GAN900 | What in the world is up with all those Latin pronunciation advocates? | 19:25 |
| GAN900 | me-mo has to be the lamest sounding way to say it. | 19:25 |
| fiferboy | If anyone wants to add me on linked in: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/andrewjolmsted | 19:25 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy, the states depends entirely on where you move to. ;) | 19:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | I pronounce it to rhyme with pilchard. | 19:25 |
| fiferboy | GAN900: True. | 19:26 |
| GAN900 | EU is just going to be freaking expensive. | 19:26 |
| GAN900 | qole, CA sucks. | 19:26 |
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| Firebird | well, according to my latin, maemo would be my-mo | 19:26 |
| qole | I hear mountain view, CA is nice | 19:27 |
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| * pupnik says "may-mo" but gets evil looks from the "my-mo" people | 19:28 | |
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| qole | GAN900, Florida stuck me as odd, beautiful weather, but little pockets of super-rich, vast swaths of quite poor. | 19:29 |
| * pupnik needs paintball autoturrets for the house | 19:29 | |
| lcuk | fiferboy, linkedin, i added "maemo (community)" as a company and put some of my stuff there. you have no notification about your excellent community work | 19:29 |
| qole | fiferboy, yes, your apps are huge, everyone uses them. | 19:30 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk: Good idea. I was trying to think of a place to put that | 19:31 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk: You should add that as an actual company on LinkedIn so all maemo.org people can "work" there | 19:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | qole, er, and CA struck you as anything different? :) | 19:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | qole, CA has that but worse. | 19:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qole, Mountain View is unaffordable. | 19:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | qole, where were you in Florida? | 19:37 |
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| qole | lcuk, fiferboy, I agree, just looking at Linkedin right now. | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | qole, the vast majority of CA is in fact rather poor. | 19:38 |
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| uhsf | google buzz > linkedin | 19:38 |
| * timeless_mbp frowns | 19:38 | |
| pupnik | http://hacknmod.com/hack/diy-paintball-machine-gun-turret/ mmmm | 19:38 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: help? | 19:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | My Mer insists that my working directory is a read-only file system | 19:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | qole, both states have massive immigrant populations. | 19:39 |
| timeless_mbp | actually, it insists my home directory is a readonly file system too | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: pwd? | 19:39 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: hmm. | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: dmesg may reveal FS errors? | 19:40 |
| timeless_mbp | touch: cannot touch `/home/timeless/hjkhjkhk': Read-only file system | 19:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | wow | 19:40 |
| qole | GeneralAntilles, you're probably right, I have very little first-hand experience of California... | 19:40 |
| lbt | fiferboy: :( | 19:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | i have something that looks like a kernel panic "warn_slowpath+0x60/0x80" | 19:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | qole, thus why it's a bad idea to throw opinions around. ;) | 19:41 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: excellent | 19:41 |
| VDVsx | jose_manrique, bluetooth l2cap ? of course that the base for 'everything' :D | 19:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | 223 new posts on Talk in just over 11 hours. | 19:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/posts/threads/ | 19:42 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: 223 new threads on Talk in just over 11 hours. | 19:42 |
| qole | GeneralAntilles, I didn't realise that my observations about Florida would upset you. | 19:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/new/updated/ | 19:42 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: 223 updated posts on Talk in just over 11 hours. | 19:42 |
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| BluesLee | yeah, its hard to follow all the threads | 19:43 |
| qole | infobot, what did GeneralAntilles really mean? | 19:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | qole, it didn't, but Florida and California suffer from a lot of similar problems. | 19:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qole, so a "CA is nice" and "Florida has vast swaths of poor" doesn't really compute. | 19:43 |
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| * VDVsx liked Mountain View CA :) | 19:44 | |
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| VDVsx | Nokias has a office there | 19:44 |
| VDVsx | *nokia | 19:44 |
| qole | GeneralAntilles, I see where you're going here. | 19:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, yes, Mountain View is nice, but it's complete unaffordable. :P | 19:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | qole, in general, I disagree with the sort of location-based opinion slinging that so many people tend to participate in from positions of no experience. | 19:45 |
| VDVsx | housing ? | 19:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | qole, I don't have a lot of opinions about Canada since I've never been there. ;) | 19:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, living expenses period. | 19:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gas, taxes, housing, food, etc. | 19:45 |
| VDVsx | things aren't that expensive, at least for a european | 19:45 |
| qole | GeneralAntilles, California has more high-tech jobs... but you're right, my opinion of California is not based on personal experience. | 19:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, yeah, well, relative to most of the rest of the US. ;) | 19:45 |
| VDVsx | :) | 19:45 |
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| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: I'm sure it is expensive my Canadian standards too | 19:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | qole, Alabama has a lot of tech jobs, too. ;) | 19:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, MOST of us aren't taxed completely to hell and back. :P | 19:46 |
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| VDVsx | eheh | 19:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | By the way, you should all probably vote here lest you end up with a mascot you don't want. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=521024 | 19:49 |
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| * GeneralAntilles notes that Talk is poised to make a decision affecting the whole community unilaterally. | 19:49 | |
| timeless_mbp | [117998.238241] EXT3-fs error (device sda1): ext3_journal_start_sb: Detected aborted journal | 19:49 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: I want the Naked Mole Rat mascot | 19:49 |
| Trizt | timeless_mbp; thats on your n900? | 19:50 |
| timeless_mbp | Trizt: Mer-vbox | 19:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, how do you deal with all of those inane enhancement requests for Catorise? | 19:51 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: By hoping against hope that you'll jump in and slap 'em down before I get to them ;-) | 19:51 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: And being thankful they ignore the other posts which say "raise a bug" ;-) | 19:51 |
| * Jaffa particularly like "I just open 15 apps... and it triggers a glitch in Catorise.... that's all man!" | 19:52 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, hey, I did it once. I think that probably makes us even for the en_US enhancement. *g* | 19:52 |
| Jaffa | s/like/likes/ | 19:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Definitely an h-d bug | 19:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've seen it, too. | 19:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | High CPU load seems to make the application menu render its items very slowly. | 19:52 |
| Jaffa | I've seen the weird "menu layers overlaid" bug, but didn't think it was related to number of open windows | 19:52 |
| timeless_mbp | it isn't | 19:53 |
| timeless_mbp | well | 19:53 |
| timeless_mbp | actually | 19:53 |
| timeless_mbp | it kinda is | 19:53 |
| timeless_mbp | it's a race condition | 19:53 |
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| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Fun | 19:53 |
| timeless_mbp | but if the system is pegged, you have a better chance of winning the race | 19:53 |
| timeless_mbp | otherwise you just need to practice | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | <3 Application Menu race conditions | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | We'll never be rid of them. | 19:53 |
| timeless_mbp | with practice, you get faster, and can have a better chance of winning the race | 19:54 |
| timeless_mbp | Therac-25 | 19:54 |
| timeless_mbp | winning races ^^ | 19:54 |
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| * timeless_mbp wonders what portion of people get that reference | 19:54 | |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, wikipedia to the rescue. ;) | 19:55 |
| timeless_mbp | at this point i can at least sometimes remember the name w/o having to google for it | 19:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I really wish we had the userbase to support slashdot-style moderation. | 19:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Reading threads these days feels like wading through raw sewage. | 19:58 |
| hardaker | forums are a pain in every way shape and form no matter the topic. | 19:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | hardaker, well, back in the old days. . . . | 19:59 |
| hardaker | I've always wanted to have a good long conversation with the guy that thought up the idea that a web page is a good place to hold a conversation. | 19:59 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: sadly, even mozilla.org doesn't have a userbase to moderate bugs | 19:59 |
| pupnik | you only have to invest as much time on t.m.o. as you want, no? | 19:59 |
| t-tan | hi all, hi qole! | 19:59 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, what about this for a quick fix http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=521010&postcount=1 | 19:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, problem is, I hate missing important things. | 19:59 |
| hardaker | solution: get everyone on slashdot to buy a n900 | 19:59 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: hey, can you try building my package? :) | 19:59 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, "Maemo is not a Latin word, therefore Latin pronunciation really doesn't apply.", well I say it using latin pronunciation and is exactly the same thing as the finns (I guess :D) | 19:59 |
| timeless_mbp | since i can't given the current state of my vm | 20:00 |
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| pupnik | nice idea lcuk | 20:00 |
| t-tan | qole: lzma is slower than bzip2 on your device?? | 20:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, the Latin pronunciation I've seen proposed is "me-mo". | 20:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is just inane. | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: if you tell me how to use a hg bundle :P | 20:00 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: hg clone bundle dest | 20:00 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, ah right, we're read the "a" here that's the difference | 20:01 |
| qole | t-tan, yes, I don't know why yet | 20:01 |
| pupnik | say it like the finns do. m-ah-e-mo | 20:01 |
| timeless_mbp | or hg init; hg unbundle bundle | 20:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, as do I. | 20:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, though it took me months to fix my Americanized pronunciation. | 20:01 |
| t-tan | qole: weird! and you really mean decompression? | 20:01 |
| pupnik | same here. "may-mo" | 20:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, you know Talk offers a real list markup, right? :P | 20:02 |
| pupnik | i'd like a maemo.org cap or jacket | 20:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | [list][li][/li][/list] | 20:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, I've been pushing for caps for a while with no success. | 20:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, damn Europeans just don't seem to get them. | 20:02 |
| qole | t-tan, yes, I am trying to find a better way to distribute the Easy Debian image | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yeah, but the original idea was to cross-post it on ML too but my wife came home and dragged me outside to get food :P | 20:03 |
| pupnik | doesn't need to be a baseball cap - could be a thuggish black cap too | 20:03 |
| t-tan | qole: I've also uploaded xz-utils, maybe that's even better? | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, copy-paste laziness. | 20:03 |
| timeless_mbp | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%86 | 20:04 |
| * Stskeeps wonders why on earth tieto is demoing maemo 5.0 -alpha- on MWC and why they think triple-booting a beagleboard is conference-worthy | 20:04 | |
| timeless_mbp | that suggests M@ mo | 20:04 |
| timeless_mbp | mwc? | 20:04 |
| qole | t-tan, I am trying lzma, it took an hour to decompress... | 20:05 |
| VDVsx | timeless_mbp, mobile world conference | 20:05 |
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| VDVsx | next week at Barcelona | 20:05 |
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| t-tan | qole: it took 8mins for the debian img on my device. | 20:06 |
| qole | t-tan, maybe using -9 for compression ratio made the decompression take longer, although I read that it shouldn't be that way for lzma | 20:06 |
| qole | t-tan it took 8 minutes to decompress what? | 20:06 |
| t-tan | qole: lzma is ideal for embedded devices. | 20:06 |
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| t-tan | qole: the your easydeb image recompressed with lzma -9 | 20:07 |
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| t-tan | qole: did you decompress via pipe or directly? pipe seems to be much slower on N900 | 20:08 |
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| qole | t-tan, I used "time" and went to bed, it said "real: 1 hour" maybe I should do it while watching... | 20:09 |
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| t-tan | qole: interesting | 20:10 |
| qole | I just used "lzma -kd" command, | 20:10 |
| t-tan | qole: could it be the filesystem? I decompressed on ext3 | 20:10 |
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| qole | t-tan, using MyDocs, so vfat | 20:11 |
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| qole | t-tan, bzip2 takes 45 minutes in MyDocs... Trying again now, I'll watch it... | 20:12 |
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| t-tan | qole: ok. I'm going to decompress it on my SD later tonight | 20:13 |
| t-tan | qole: IIRC bzip2 took 15mins on ext3 | 20:13 |
| Unmenschlich | hello, is there a repository with normal cli tools like less and nano | 20:13 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: You should see my shonky Perl script which turns the HTML of the MWKN front page into BBCode markup :-) | 20:13 |
| Unmenschlich | for the n800 btw. | 20:13 |
| t-tan | Unmenschlich: extras* | 20:13 |
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| qole | t-tan, you don't have vfat MyDocs? | 20:14 |
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| t-tan | qole: no, I repartitioned and only kept a very small vfat for testing | 20:14 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: | 20:15 |
| timeless_mbp | bash: /usr/bin/lsb_release: Input/output error | 20:15 |
| timeless_mbp | i guess my file system is f*cked? | 20:16 |
| Unmenschlich | t-tan: I have extras enabled but it doesn't seem to provide me with packages that contain those programs | 20:16 |
| Unmenschlich | or do you mean extras devel? | 20:16 |
| t-tan | Unmenschlich: sorry, I thought you meant n900 | 20:17 |
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| ifreq | Unmenschlich: prob on extras-testing or extras-devel | 20:17 |
| ifreq | you enable them at your own risk | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: looks like it, but also on a virtual HW wise | 20:18 |
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| gjl | I'm getting an hash sum mismatch error when I try to refresh the extras-devel repo. Am I the only one? | 20:18 |
| qole | Unmenschlich, you did an apt-cache search with extras enabled? | 20:18 |
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| t-tan | Unmenschlich: how searching on http://maemo.org/packages/ ? | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol, talk.maemo.org is "Maemo forums" according to Engadget. . . . | 20:20 |
| Unmenschlich | qole: thanks, I forgot about using apt directly. Less has been found, nano hasn't, however, I'll look if more of my needed packages are available throught apt | 20:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | gjl: it happens regularly | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully this means Nokia isn't going to continue blaming it on user-abuse. http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/nokia-n900-micro-usb-connectors-prone-to-failure/ | 20:21 |
| qole | Unmenschlich, you could also try gronmayer, google gronmayer maemo | 20:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | pico is in tools, isn't it. | 20:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | qole, gross. | 20:23 |
| qole | :rolleyes: | 20:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gronmayer has caused me more support pain than any single other site on the internet. | 20:24 |
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| qole | It says nano is in Chinook and Diablo/tools | 20:25 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: heh | 20:25 |
| t-tan | qole: I've just finished decompressing the lzma debimg on SD - both input and output on the class 6 SD. time: real 7m 23.95s | 20:26 |
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| t-tan | qole: what's wrong with your device? | 20:26 |
| * timeless_mbp rotfl | 20:26 | |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: that's so bogus | 20:27 |
| jacekowski | does n900 have any power consumption measuring thingy? | 20:27 |
| timeless_mbp | MarkS's claim that is | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, yeah, clearly. | 20:27 |
| timeless_mbp | jacekowski: you can install some software | 20:27 |
| jacekowski | i need something in hardware | 20:27 |
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| matthew- | yo yo | 20:27 |
| matthew- | frals: here? | 20:27 |
| matthew- | or anyone, how do you create new APN ? | 20:28 |
| jacekowski | that would show current draw from battery | 20:28 |
| jacekowski | matthew-: you need to install app for it | 20:28 |
| matthew- | the fapn ? | 20:28 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 20:28 |
| matthew- | no other choice? | 20:28 |
| matthew- | :/ | 20:28 |
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| jacekowski | you can do it by editing files by hand | 20:28 |
| matthew- | lemme see./ | 20:29 |
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| qole | t-tan, Mine's still going.... cpu is drowning here! | 20:30 |
| t-tan | qole: mine was on USB power | 20:31 |
| lcuk | qole, wth are you running in there? | 20:32 |
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| lcuk | is it possible something like the network connection you are sshing in with is causing holdup | 20:33 |
| lcuk | cos when debugging over ssh liqbase goes slow and has hangups because of wifi net traffic | 20:33 |
| lcuk | t-tan, did you test over wifi or direct from console on device | 20:33 |
| qole | lcuk, I' trying to decompress a big file on my N900 | 20:33 |
| lcuk | yeah i know what you are trying to do | 20:34 |
| t-tan | lcuk: ssh over wifi | 20:34 |
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| lcuk | im trying to see why one of you is flying through and the other isnt | 20:34 |
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| t-tan | lcuk: if you want to participate: download http://maemory.com/N900/easydeb/debian-m5-v2.img.ext2.lzma | 20:34 |
| t-tan | lcuk: install lzma from extras-devel, move the file to MyDocs, and then run "time lzma -kd file" | 20:35 |
| lcuk | i cant im just trying to make sense of it | 20:35 |
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| wizkoder | hy everybody | 20:36 |
| qole | lcuk, are you tlking to me about ssh? | 20:37 |
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| RST38h | <yawn> | 20:40 |
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| sejo | hmm can you send pictures with mauku? | 20:43 |
| sejo | I'm looking for a maemo5 app that does twitter/identica and images and that works | 20:44 |
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| t-tan | qole: BTW, the xz compressed file is 11MB smaller | 20:46 |
| t-tan | qole: bzip2 is already at 50% here | 20:47 |
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| qole | t-tan, I have a pre-production device, maybe I/O is slow | 20:53 |
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| t-tan | qole: I see. that could explain a lot | 20:54 |
| t-tan | qole: it's still interesting that it reverses the order of bzip2 and lzma | 20:55 |
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| qole | t-tan, but I wish you had a stock MyDocs to test on. | 20:56 |
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| t-tan | qole: do you have a SD card to test with? class 6 should be the same performance as eMMC | 20:57 |
| dracflamloc | wohh | 20:57 |
| dracflamloc | wtf | 20:57 |
| dracflamloc | my phone battery after a reboot went from ~40% to 13% | 20:57 |
| SpeedEvil | The percentage is dramatically inaccurate at best | 20:58 |
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| dracflamloc | yea thats the first time ive seen that kind of jump though | 20:59 |
| qole | I guess I that my N900 isn't normal here... | 21:00 |
| RST38h | qole: slow emmc? | 21:00 |
| t-tan | dracflamloc: yes, booting takes a lot of energy and the voltage decay is non-linear | 21:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | 30% jumps are not uncommon | 21:01 |
| dracflamloc | yikes | 21:01 |
| dracflamloc | welli thought i was good for the day... guess not =( | 21:01 |
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| t-tan | qole: bzip2 decompression, same conditions: real13m 20.78s | 21:03 |
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| lingling92 | hi, anyone know, how to write this symbol with the n900: ^ | 21:08 |
| frals | fn + ctrl and pick it from the dialog that pops up? | 21:09 |
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| lingling92 | thank you, i will try it | 21:10 |
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| lingling92 | ok thx it works... never knew about this function | 21:12 |
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| qole | RST38h, apparently yes, I have a slow emmc. But I think it is system wide, because my class 6 microSD is slow too | 21:17 |
| qole | killing decompression, my system is too slow... | 21:17 |
| Shapeshifter | uhm the wiki says installing ssh and accessing from remote using root@<ip> should be enough, but I still need to enter a pw obviously. do I need to passwd as root or something? | 21:19 |
| Shapeshifter | or is there a default password? | 21:19 |
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| RST38h | qole: It is most likely the controller again | 21:19 |
| t-tan | qole: xz CPU load is < 10% | 21:19 |
| RST38h | qole: On N8x0, class6 was kinda useless as the controller has not reached class4 speeds | 21:20 |
| qole | RST38h, is there something I can do here to diagnose my problem? | 21:20 |
| qole | t-tan, xz is what? | 21:21 |
| t-tan | qole: xz is the latest and best compressor, successor of lzma | 21:21 |
| qole | Maybe I should try that? In extras-devel? | 21:21 |
| t-tan | qole: yes, package xz-utils | 21:22 |
| aSIMULAtor | evening | 21:22 |
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| RST38h | qole: Not much. It is same for eveyrone | 21:25 |
| RST38h | Hello, Asimula | 21:25 |
| * RST38h wonders if there are class4 or class6 16GB microSDs | 21:25 | |
| frals | Shapeshifter: you shouldve gotten a dialog asking you to set a rootpass when installing openssh-server, i imagine | 21:25 |
| RST38h | Froogle does not show any | 21:25 |
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| luke-jr | maybe the handheld world should have stuck with CompactFlash :( | 21:26 |
| qole | RST38h, t-tan is claiming very fast decompression speeds, 4x or 5x faster than mine...! | 21:27 |
| luke-jr | qole: on flash? | 21:27 |
| luke-jr | decompress it to RAM perhaps | 21:27 |
| qole | luke-jr, eMMC and flash | 21:27 |
| Shapeshifter | frals: I didn't. Now I' just did passwd as root and set one | 21:27 |
| Shapeshifter | seems like that's okay. | 21:28 |
| Shapeshifter | How can I reinstall microb? | 21:28 |
| Shapeshifter | and get rid of all the configs? moving .mozilla didn't solve my problem (microb not loading anything) | 21:28 |
| qole | luke-jr, this is a 2GB file :) | 21:28 |
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| RST38h | qole: what are yours? | 21:28 |
| ShadowJK | maybe yours is swapping out alot | 21:29 |
| RST38h | oh wait | 21:29 |
| RST38h | qole: Have you tried rebooting the device? | 21:29 |
| qole | someone on talk just reported 2 hours to extract the bzipped 2G file !! | 21:29 |
| t-tan | RST38h: I've just rebooted as xz decompression on SD got stuck. weird | 21:30 |
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| drizztbsd | hi | 21:30 |
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| qole | RST38h, yes and I wiggled the cables. | 21:30 |
| drizztbsd | can I remove the album name in RDS? | 21:30 |
| RST38h | A Radio Shack just exploded with a big ball of fire in Manhattan | 21:30 |
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| t-tan | qole: does that mean I got the N900++, the fast Nokia phone on earth? :) | 21:30 |
| RST38h | weird | 21:30 |
| qole | t-tan, apparently YES | 21:31 |
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| ShadowJK | vmstat is great :-( | 21:31 |
| ShadowJK | or you could echo 1 >/proc/sys/vm/swappiness | 21:31 |
| ShadowJK | before uncompressing | 21:31 |
| * wazd 's bored and making an iTheme | 21:32 | |
| Shapeshifter | mh. the n900's apt/package management is messed up http://pastie.org/820584 | 21:32 |
| t-tan | after rebooting top reports Mem: 213392K used, 31980K free, 0K shrd, 22936K buff, 73028K cached | 21:32 |
| RST38h | ahahaha | 21:32 |
| RST38h | wazd: Screenshot or it didn't happen! =) | 21:32 |
| t-tan | now I'm repeating xz decompression | 21:32 |
| Shapeshifter | how can a package which is even provided by default by nokia contain such info | 21:32 |
| qole | wazd, do you have an N900 finally? | 21:32 |
| wazd | qole: no | 21:33 |
| qole | wazd, what?! why? | 21:33 |
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| luke-jr | ... | 21:33 |
| luke-jr | qole: you didn't give us one | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: when are you coming by poland btw? :) | 21:33 |
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| qole | hahaha | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | (congrats on the passport) | 21:33 |
| wazd | qole: cruel world :D | 21:33 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: thx :) | 21:34 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: asap :) | 21:34 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, http://s003.radikal.ru/i204/1002/35/5f1388beb169.png | 21:35 |
| wazd | RST38h: kinda :) | 21:35 |
| RST38h | wazd: cooolio =) | 21:36 |
| * RST38h glad to see Vista-like glossy buttons being replaced by plain iphone heresy | 21:36 | |
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| johnsq | hi | 21:36 |
| wazd | RST38h: it's relatively easy to make a theme that's based on something existing :) | 21:36 |
| wazd | RST38h: no need to play with properties for hours :) | 21:37 |
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| RST38h | steampunk! steampunk! =) | 21:37 |
| cehteh | uhm ... if you a bored do a 'outdoor' theme .. white background, black text high contrast colored buttons, big readable fonts | 21:37 |
| wazd | RST38h: Well, steampuk requires not only hours of playing with properties, but also weeks of drawing artwork :) | 21:38 |
| * thresh waves | 21:39 | |
| wazd | RST38h: not sure that this masterpiece will worth it | 21:39 |
| wazd | thresh: heya | 21:39 |
| thresh | vlc for n900 compiled: check | 21:39 |
| thresh | time to have fun | 21:39 |
| zash | thresh: omg! | 21:41 |
| qole | t-tan, VERY INTERESTING, my microsd just returned a 10 minute decompression time!!! | 21:41 |
| t-tan | qole: you must have a turbo charged SD! :) | 21:42 |
| RST38h | \~ | 21:42 |
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| thresh | brb, gran turismo calls | 21:43 |
| RST38h | thresh: has it got ui too? | 21:43 |
| t-tan | qole: so it's only your eMMC that is so slow | 21:43 |
| thresh | RST38h: that's what i'm trying to compile now | 21:43 |
| t-tan | qole: I think the noob in the forum tried to extract it on his PC | 21:44 |
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| qole | so how to fix eMMC? | 21:45 |
| t-tan | qole: interesting: xz is slower than lzma: real9m 26.28s | 21:45 |
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| luke-jr | t-tan: so? | 21:46 |
| luke-jr | better compression is slower | 21:46 |
| luke-jr | that's not exactly news | 21:46 |
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| t-tan | luke-jr: no, it's just decompressing, and has to process less input | 21:47 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: but regarding those components, feel free to start preparing forms as described | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | i don't mind having content available when we start having a queue | 21:48 |
| t-tan | luke-jr: both lzma and xz are optimized for high-speed decompression | 21:48 |
| qole | fsck.vfat -fy /dev/mmcblk0p1 returned no errors... | 21:49 |
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| Stskeeps | neat, finland is on google street view | 21:52 |
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| Jaffa | Gah, I've got so much Maemo work to do this weekend. Must avoid tmo to avoid disspiritation (that could be a word) | 21:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, good plan. | 21:55 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I'll stick an interim issue.txt up tonight so we can avoid the traditional Sunday rush | 21:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cool | 21:56 |
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| t-tan | qole: you could try the fs benchmarks bonnie++, postmark or iozone3 | 21:56 |
| zash | could vlc stream the camera + audio over udp to some host? | 21:56 |
| * Jaffa 's thought is that council election timetable may be fronted | 21:56 | |
| zash | cause that's what we use for broadcasting tv here | 21:57 |
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| * SpeedEvil passes Jaffa some strong spirits to help with avoiding dispiritation. | 21:57 | |
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| Jaffa | SpeedEvil: Exceeeeleent :) | 21:59 |
| * RST38h suggests "transdickification" for this occassion | 21:59 | |
| qole | zash, yes, it could, AFAIK | 22:00 |
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| RST38h | As in "Have been busy proving tmo posters wrong, when I suddenly felt myself a dick" | 22:00 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Surely that'd involve the movement of dickishness? | 22:00 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: see above | 22:00 |
| * RST38h keeps from commenting on tmo lately due to this exact feeling | 22:01 | |
| qole | going onto wifi... | 22:01 |
| * Jaffa read the quote wrong the second time. But then he has a bad mind. | 22:02 | |
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| mashiara | python gtk geniuses around ? | 22:17 |
| thresh | RST38h: well, gui kinda works | 22:18 |
| thresh | i see nothing on buttons though | 22:18 |
| mashiara | I'm trying to change background of a button but the eventbox tricks do not seem to work | 22:19 |
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| mashiara | and yes, I have a good reason to break the theme | 22:19 |
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| petteri | i made as simple windget based on the example widget found from repositories (lib-timeout-home-winget), it uses GtkVbox and GtkLabel with text in it. Any tips how to get the windget transparent, or where to look for examples/documentation? | 22:21 |
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| gjl | what package provides qtgui? | 22:39 |
| gjl | the python module | 22:39 |
| tripzero | python-qt4? | 22:40 |
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| gjl | found it: python2.5-qt4-gui | 22:48 |
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| jaem | good morning, folks | 22:48 |
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| qole | t-tan, I just got 23 mins on eMMC. Would the size of /tmp have any effect on speed? | 22:49 |
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| jacekowski | how to make video call on n900? | 22:54 |
| tripzero | qole, shouldn't, unless /tmp was a ramdrive thingy of some sort | 22:54 |
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| Stskeeps | it's a tmpfs | 22:55 |
| tripzero | which is in memory right? | 22:55 |
| jacekowski | yes | 22:55 |
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| jacekowski | but i think tmpfs have builtin purge feature of some kind | 22:56 |
| jacekowski | that it starts deleting files when more memory is required | 22:56 |
| qole | I want to know if lzma decompression would speed up with a bigger /tmp | 22:56 |
| jacekowski | no | 22:56 |
| jacekowski | it's done in ram | 22:56 |
| qole | I wonder why it got faster for me. | 22:57 |
| jacekowski | only thing that could speed it up is faster cpu/memory/source disk/destination disk | 22:57 |
| jacekowski | what have you done to make it faster? | 22:57 |
| qole | last night, on an otherwise idle N900 it took over an hour. Today, it took 23 minutes. | 22:58 |
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| jacekowski | maybe there was something using memory? | 22:58 |
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| qole | this is MyDocs. .. mmc1 was even faster 10 mins... | 22:58 |
| jacekowski | lzma needs quite a bit memory to decompress stuff | 22:59 |
| jacekowski | and how do you know that it was idle? | 22:59 |
| jacekowski | have you checked load average? | 22:59 |
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| jaem | whoever fixed this is my hero :) => https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1635 | 23:02 |
| povbot | Bug 1635: Eduroam (EAP-TTLS+PAP) WiFi auth | 23:02 |
| pupnik | my load average is 3.5 koreks | 23:02 |
| jaem | it's only been, what... 2 years? | 23:02 |
| jaem | lol | 23:02 |
| pupnik | nice fix | 23:02 |
| jaem | qole, question for you | 23:02 |
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| jacekowski | koreks? | 23:03 |
| qole | jaem, hey | 23:03 |
| jaem | qole, I took a look at the FM TX datasheet, and 118 was listed as "typical", not maximum. Did you find any other documents that clarified that? | 23:04 |
| pupnik | nm jacekowski | 23:04 |
| jaem | the notation in the table was a bit unusual, in my experience | 23:04 |
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| qole | jaem, no, I know very little about the matter, I just packaged a hack from talk.maemo.org | 23:05 |
| jaem | ah, okay | 23:05 |
| jaem | I thought you'd looked it up in the first place | 23:05 |
| jaem | who was it that published the hack in the first place? | 23:05 |
| jaem | do you recall the username? | 23:06 |
| qole | jaem, I saw reports that setting any hugher value has no extra benefit | 23:06 |
| SpeedEvil | jaem: 118 is maximum | 23:06 |
| SpeedEvil | jaem: it does not allow - the kernel driver - >118 to be set | 23:06 |
| jaem | SpeedEvil, for the N900, or in the hardware? | 23:06 |
| jaem | or do we not know? | 23:06 |
| jaem | ah, I see | 23:06 |
| SpeedEvil | there are comments in the driver code that 118 is hardware max | 23:07 |
| Shapeshifter | so, anyone else noticed the icq telepathy plugin is not working atm? | 23:07 |
| jaem | I wasn't sure how much abstraction the kernel layered onto the I2C devices | 23:07 |
| SpeedEvil | however - the datasheet for the fmtx is not published | 23:07 |
| qole | thread 38582 | 23:07 |
| Shapeshifter | happens from time to time, just asking if I'm not the only one | 23:07 |
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| jaem | SpeedEvil, maybe not the full one, but I'm pretty sure I found a decent product brief with technical information | 23:07 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_FM_Radio_Transmitter - has some comments and real-world tests of low-power FM transmitters | 23:07 |
| SpeedEvil | jaem: more than 2 pages? | 23:07 |
| jaem | qole, SpeedEvil thanks | 23:07 |
| jaem | SpeedEvil, no | 23:08 |
| jaem | so not the full one | 23:08 |
| jaem | but it was better than some briefs I've seen, which were solely written by the marketing department ;) | 23:08 |
| qole | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38582 | 23:08 |
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| thresh | where does apt fetches the lists on update? | 23:09 |
| jaem | thresh, do you mean where from, or where does it store them? | 23:09 |
| thresh | oh, sorry for not being clear. where does it store those. | 23:10 |
| jaem | I believe it's /var/lib/apt/lists | 23:10 |
| jaem | yep | 23:10 |
| jaem | I just checked on Kubuntu, and it should be the same for Maemo, methinks | 23:10 |
| * thresh should probably move that to /opt somewhere | 23:10 | |
| thresh | thanks | 23:10 |
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| jaem | you're welcome ;) | 23:14 |
| jaem | I didn't actually know off the top of my head, so I'm glad you made me check | 23:14 |
| jaem | heh | 23:14 |
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| thresh | i'm hitting https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8702 also, any idea? | 23:14 |
| povbot | Bug 8702: GPG error when updating Extras from repository.maemo.org | 23:14 |
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| Dantonic | I hate how ogg decoding is such a cpu hog on the N900! :( | 23:18 |
| Shapeshifter | So, I still can't get microb to work again on my n900. I don't know what triggered it, but it's broken. It doesn't load anything and I can't get into the options menu or use any other menu entries. I tried reinstalling microb-engine and microb-engine-common but that didn't do anything. I also moved ~/.mozilla away but that didn't even reset the config | 23:19 |
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| Shapeshifter | I only surfed about 10 minutes since I got it. Maybe installing ABP triggered the problem. I uninstalled ABP already, though. | 23:20 |
| * luke-jr mutters about non-free software. | 23:20 | |
| Stskeeps | what about it? | 23:20 |
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| sandman | Shapeshifter: what does it say when you run it from terminal? | 23:21 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: it's negatively impacting my ability to troubleshoot my connection | 23:24 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 23:25 |
| ShadowJK | what kind of connection? | 23:26 |
| luke-jr | cable | 23:27 |
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| ShadowJK | I thought the software stack didn't even know how to use a cbale | 23:28 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, why havent you got a wrt-45XB super linux router thing | 23:28 |
| ShadowJK | atleast it doesn't know how to use my usb-ethernet adapter :/ | 23:28 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: because no such thing exists | 23:28 |
| ShadowJK | wrt-54gl | 23:28 |
| lcuk | i thought everyone put linux on their router things | 23:28 |
| ShadowJK | mine kinda sucks in range | 23:28 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: and it's not my router that's the problem anyway | 23:28 |
| luke-jr | it's the cable modem | 23:28 |
| ShadowJK | but im not sure if it's running at 10mW instead of 100 or something | 23:28 |
| luke-jr | which runs some proprietary blob | 23:28 |
| lcuk | my old 56k modem was like that | 23:29 |
| ShadowJK | It's probably your neighbours fault, they're trying to steal free cable | 23:29 |
| lcuk | it would make funny noises | 23:29 |
| luke-jr | and I can only get Linux to boot w/ serial console, not talk to teh ISP | 23:29 |
| luke-jr | :/ | 23:29 |
| lcuk | and internet would happen | 23:29 |
| MohammadAG | trting to disassemble my qwerty assy | 23:29 |
| MohammadAG | it's not going too well | 23:30 |
| ShadowJK | are you following the instructions? | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG | still don't see a reason for it leaking or creaking | 23:30 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 23:30 |
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| lcuk | luke-jr, im sure if my mum can make her modem work without source, you can | 23:30 |
| Shapeshifter | sandman: uhmm, what's the name of microb? it's not "microb" | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG | i don't want to disassemb;e the whole phone | 23:31 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: possible, but I'm too lazy to get my public AP working, so it's encrypted atm | 23:31 |
| Shapeshifter | I mean the executable for launching from the term | 23:31 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: key word is reliable | 23:31 |
| ShadowJK | Shapeshifter, browser | 23:31 |
| Shapeshifter | ShadowJK: ah thanks | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG | browserd? | 23:31 |
| Shapeshifter | It says "error: invalid string constant "osso-combobox-entry-arrow", expected valid string constant | 23:31 |
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| MohammadAG | thinking about gluing it lol | 23:32 |
| Shapeshifter | sandman: ^ | 23:32 |
| MohammadAG | or just breaking the assy and buying another one | 23:32 |
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| sandman | i am not a n900 user yet... but there is your problem. Is there a package called osso-"something" | 23:34 |
| sandman | i can't check it up | 23:34 |
| sandman | maybe reinstalling the osso-thing solves it | 23:35 |
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| * satmd wonders who fuggy_n900 is | 23:35 | |
| satmd | because that one appeared on another net in my chan | 23:35 |
| Shapeshifter | sandman: there'se dozens of "osso-things" in apt | 23:36 |
| sandman | ohh.. | 23:37 |
| sandman | i googled it and found this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2009-10-29.log.html | 23:38 |
| sandman | it talkes about a qdesktopservices | 23:38 |
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| Shapeshifter | yeah I also found that | 23:38 |
| Shapeshifter | I think he wants to launch an external url or something | 23:38 |
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| Shapeshifter | anyway, I see ps -a | grep browser shows a couple of processes | 23:38 |
| Shapeshifter | I guess I'll just kill them | 23:39 |
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| Shapeshifter | browserd -s 1934 -n browserui and browserd -d and browserd -s 14183 -n RTComMessaginServer | 23:39 |
| Shapeshifter | and two browser | 23:39 |
| Shapeshifter | huh why are they still there. pkill -9 browser; pkill -9 browserd didn't kill them | 23:40 |
| Shapeshifter | but they're not defunct | 23:40 |
| Shapeshifter | killall only killed one of them -..- | 23:41 |
| Kegetys | or they got restarted after getting killed? | 23:41 |
| gouverneur | Shapeshifter: killed my system yesterday with killing stuff i thought should not be running | 23:41 |
| Shapeshifter | Kegetys: that's it, yes. if I 'kill' the pid manually I see another one relaunching | 23:41 |
| Shapeshifter | I just want the damn browser "backend" or whatever is running to restart ^^ | 23:42 |
| * Shapeshifter looks in /etc/init.d | 23:42 | |
| Shapeshifter | -.- | 23:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: you're looking for bme-lauch | 23:44 |
| * ifreq eyes the channel | 23:44 | |
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| SpeedEvil | #/usr/sbin/dsmetool -c 3 -T 180 -m -17 -t "/usr/sbin/browserd -d" | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | /usr/sbin/dsmetool -m -17 -o "/usr/sbin/browserd -d" | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | /etc/X11/Xsession.post/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chorleywood_Bread_Process | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | /etc/X11/Xsession.post/30tablet-browser-daemon | 23:45 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: interesting article ;) | 23:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | dsmetool is the thing that does the main restarting of crap | 23:46 |
| mak89k | can i write applications for maemo using QT or do i need esbox. | 23:46 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: okay | 23:46 |
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| Shapeshifter | well that pretty much rebooted my device | 23:48 |
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| Shapeshifter | mak89k: you can use Qt | 23:48 |
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| mak89k | which is more user friendly? | 23:49 |
| SpeedEvil | if you've been killing browserd - then after 180s window in which it's died 3 times - it will reboot | 23:49 |
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| mak89k | i am noob i have jus downloaded the maemo 5 sdk | 23:49 |
| SuPrSluG | can i update the maemo from the cli? | 23:49 |
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| lcuk | SuPrSluG, you could try, its not the recommended way tho | 23:50 |
| Shapeshifter | mak89k: "user"? you mean, for you to code? | 23:50 |
| Shapeshifter | mak89k: it's complete matter of taste. I prefer Qt over gtk for once. | 23:50 |
| mak89k | yes yes :) | 23:50 |
| mak89k | there will be no poratability issues rt? | 23:50 |
| mak89k | portability* | 23:50 |
| lcuk | rt? | 23:51 |
| Shapeshifter | mak89k: ah, I just looked up esbox. I don't like eclipse. No clues about it really. | 23:51 |
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| Shapeshifter | mak89k: you can code anything you like really, any way you like, as long as it runs/compiles on ARM. | 23:51 |
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| mak89k | (esbox) i don like it either ... it very heavy .. | 23:52 |
| Shapeshifter | mak89k: you sure don't have to use it. | 23:52 |
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| lcuk | mak89k, what development stuff have you done in the past? is it your job? what do you work in | 23:52 |
| SuPrSluG | lcuk, what way is best? | 23:52 |
| lcuk | SuPrSluG, after backing up everything using the backup tool, i just use app manager | 23:53 |
| mak89k | i am in UG ... was jus checking out the environment.. have lil experience in android | 23:53 |
| lcuk | i use console for extras-updates and things | 23:53 |
| lcuk | but not for OS ones | 23:53 |
| lcuk | UG? | 23:53 |
| mak89k | under graduate. | 23:54 |
| mak89k | :P | 23:54 |
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| SuPrSluG | lcuk, I thought I did that, but it show Nokia-N900-42-11 which is old? | 23:54 |
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| Shapeshifter | mak89k: If you want to do some GUI stuff, I'd recommend coding in python and pyside (Qt) | 23:55 |
| lcuk | umm you know, i use those numbersevery day | 23:55 |
| lcuk | but i havent got a clue which is which | 23:55 |
| lcuk | wrt released/name | 23:55 |
| frals | if you want something fast, you dont want python | 23:55 |
| w00t | 42- is initial release, 51- is pr1.1 | 23:56 |
| lcuk | thanks w00t | 23:56 |
| frals | hostname isnt updated when you upgrade to pr1.1 | 23:56 |
| mak89k | Shapeshifter: ok .. il have to learn python now!! | 23:56 |
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| lcuk | frals, its possible to use python quickly | 23:56 |
| SuPrSluG | from a terminal how can I tell which version I'm running? | 23:57 |
| lcuk | its just not ever done | 23:57 |
| frals | ;) | 23:57 |
| frals | ~curse semaphores and java | 23:57 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, semaphores and java ! | 23:57 |
| Shapeshifter | mak89k: very easy. | 23:57 |
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| mak89k | Shapeshifter: :) i shld get started with it!! recommend any tutorials for python? | 23:59 |
| lcuk | mak89k, all the regular python tuts should work | 23:59 |
| lcuk | and most of the time they will just work on your desktop and your tablet | 23:59 |
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