IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2010-02-07

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Quibusgood night00:02
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VanadisN900evil, me too (played the last two days without a break -.-)00:02
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DocScrutinizer51openntpd there00:04
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DocScrutinizer51ntpd not exactly what I'm looking for though00:06
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dracflamlocwoot00:11
DocScrutinizer51lease someone help out a dpkg noob on how to list all the pkgs and files in them - to grep or sth00:11
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ShadowJKif it's installed, dpkg -L package lists all files owned by that package00:12
* ShadowJK is dpkg noob too tho :/00:12
parolangIs the difference between the N810 and N900 basically cell phone capability?00:15
DocScrutinizer51and any idea what,s the magic incantation to start/stop/query services on that fake-upstart system?00:16
DocScrutinizer51parolang: basically yes00:16
ShadowJKparolang: twice the RAM, twice the CPU power, 3D accel00:16
ShadowJKbigger screene on N81000:16
DocScrutinizer51same resolution though00:17
DocScrutinizer51800x48000:17
ShadowJKya00:17
uhsfwhat dpi does that make?00:17
dracflamlocim liking mine :)00:17
DocScrutinizer51forsome weird reason the N8x0 screen feels three times as large to me00:18
parolangShadowJK, DocScrutinizer51: Hmm, okay.  Just that right now the N900 is a couple of hundred dollars more expensive, and I don't need the phone capability.00:18
parolangOh...810 has a bigger screen? Hmm.00:18
ShadowJK4.1" vs 3.5"00:18
mavhcn900 is 40% more expensive than n810 at launch00:19
DocScrutinizer51parolang: then N810 is the device for you00:19
parolangCan you still use the newer software on the N810, or is the software dead?00:19
DocScrutinizer51I love my N81000:19
parolangDocScrutinizer51: Yeah, thinking about it :)00:19
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mavhcit's kinda dead it seems00:19
ShadowJKIt's dead00:19
parolang:(00:19
mavhcas dead as open source software can be00:19
mavhchow's Mer going?00:19
ShadowJKmer on N8x0 is a bit too slow to be usable right now00:20
parolangIf I buy a N900...what's to say the software won't die when Nokia releases a new model?00:20
redeemanit definitely will00:20
parolang:(00:21
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DocScrutinizer51we got promise Maemo4 (810) will see gfx upgrade eventually though00:21
DocScrutinizer51iirc00:21
dracflamlocthey had better not abandon the n90000:22
ShadowJKThe drivers are a bit not usable right now afaik :-)00:22
parolangCan you use standard gnu/linux apps on it, or do you need ports?00:22
LuciusMarehi, when i leave my tablet alone for a while or so, wifi fails - it still looks like connected, but no packets going either way, when i leave it idling at irc, or use the wifi other way, it is fine00:22
DocScrutinizer51what basically would mean we see maemo5 on old devices eventually00:22
ShadowJKeasy-debian-chroot lets you run anything in debian, more or less00:22
mavhcn810 is quite cheap now though, is there anything of the same kind that's more powerful? ie no phone00:22
parolangShadowJK: thanks00:23
uhsfnokia n900 display is the exact same dpi as my sony vaio ux. ~256dpi.00:23
parolanghttp://www.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=4186641 is offering N810 for $285 :)00:23
parolangI can't find an N900 for anywhere near that.00:23
parolangOkay...one more question.  How difficult is it to write your own apps/scripts for it?00:24
DocScrutinizer51LuciusMare: tweak powersavings mode00:24
ShadowJKheh, N810 was retailing at around 220 before N900 was released00:24
jebba#!/bin/sh00:24
jebbaecho foo00:24
jebba# done00:24
parolangjebba: What about the touch screen interface?00:25
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DocScrutinizer51gtk00:25
jebbawhat he said00:25
jebbaor qt of course00:25
parolangDocScrutinizer51: It's just standard GTK widgets and finger taps are mouse clicks?00:25
jebbay00:26
DocScrutinizer51yep00:26
parolangOkay, thanks for answering.  I'll still think about it :)00:26
DocScrutinizer51cool eh? ;-)00:26
parolangDocScrutinizer51: yeah :)00:26
ShadowJKnot exactly standard, but...00:27
parolangThat's basically what has prevented me from buying any sort of smartphone...no ability to write your own programs.  Completely misses the point, IMHO.00:27
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ShadowJKwell you can even write your own programs for "dumbphones" these days :-)00:29
ShadowJKsince almost everything does j2me these days... except the ultra low end and the ultra high end...00:30
DocScrutinizer51guess why ;-P00:30
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parolangShadowJK: I think mine is ultra low end.00:31
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DocScrutinizer51as is FR X-D00:31
parolangFR?00:32
DocScrutinizer51nm00:32
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ShadowJKon the nokia smartphone range you've even got 3 choices... S60 C++ (you're bonkers), python s60 (you're almost bonkers), j2me :-)00:32
DocScrutinizer51wrong chan I guess00:32
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Vanadisis there anything i should know before installing easy-deb-chroot?00:33
Vanadisis it stable enough on N900?00:33
DocScrutinizer51is N900 stabe enouh for it?00:34
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ShadowJKN900 is awesome though, because there it's very similar to coding stuff for linux desktop :D00:34
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railywow just installed xchat on n900. irc on my phone.. what times are we living in? nice00:44
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parolangBecause typing is so much better than talking to someone :)00:44
fluxparolang, it is, when you have 100+ people :)00:45
* ShadowJK had irc on his phone in ~200500:45
parolangflux: good point :)00:45
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ptljebba: your nickname means the male organ in my language's slang.00:45
railylol. especially who wants to idle in a telephone conference all day?00:45
fluxI'm pretty sure people were ircing with 9210, released in 2000. I might have, don't remember :). but without packet data it's not a good deal..00:46
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ShadowJKMine was a siemens cf-62, released 200400:47
jebbaptl:  you must be brazilian00:47
railyshadow, my e61 had irc 2 but wasnt so convenient as on n90000:47
ShadowJKj2me and gprs00:47
jebbabut is pronounced different  ;)00:47
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ptljebba: I am00:48
juhovhj2me is a bit sucky00:48
juhovhbut it does its job00:48
juhovhand I had irc on my phone in 2004 :P00:48
railyany advice for me to minimize irc traffic?00:48
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juhovhraily: nothing you can do except avoid busy channels00:49
juhovhor use some kind of bouncer that strips data, but I know nothing about that00:49
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fluxI suppose you could (for example) use ssh to forward your IRC traffic (not terminal traffic) and compress it while doing so00:50
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fluxbut I don't think irc is going to take a lot of your bandwidth anyway00:50
fluxin terms of megabytes00:50
timelessrally: use a screen  session on a remote host00:50
juhovhcompressing is usually just not worth it :P00:50
timelessand /ignore * CRAP00:50
fluxbut, hey, you could install a custom kernel and use iptables to count the numbers :)00:50
ptlthe N900 has a FM transmitter and a FM receiver, right?00:50
ptlwould it be too difficult to develop a 'walkie-talkie' app for it?00:51
timelessyes00:51
fluxjuhovh, well, it should be, for IRC-traffic, no?00:51
timelessptl: very difficult00:51
ptlso two N900's could talk to each othere00:51
ptlwhy?00:51
timelessthe range for transmitting is roughly inches00:51
parolangOh...battery life on the N810?  One retailer advertises 10 hours with wireless turned off.  Is that realistic?00:51
villagerptl: the FM transmitter has a range of like 3 meters00:51
juhovhflux: as said, IRC traffic is very little00:51
villageror less00:51
ptlvillager: oh...00:51
juhovhand using a screen session on a remote host is likely to take more bandwidth than local irc client00:51
juhovheven with the crap ignored00:51
fluxjuhovh, it could be more if you are one 20+ busy channels 24/7 :)00:51
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juhovhbecause every time there's a new line it will update a lot of stuff00:51
railyscreen not really available for n900, isnt it?00:52
juhovhwell, that's true00:52
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fluxindeed, running irc over ssh on n900 is not a good option if your goal is to minimize traffic00:52
juhovhand with screen one can always change to some not busy window to save bandwidth00:52
juhovhthat's a good thing00:52
timelessptl: the radio band is regulated by FCC or equivalent00:52
flux(irc over ssh has other benefits, though)00:53
timelessand you aren't allowed to transmit w/ more power w/o a licence00:53
fluxjuhovh, or you could simply disconnect..00:53
juhovhexactly :P00:53
juhovhI'd go with an irc bouncer00:53
juhovhand disconnect when not used00:53
Matthew-http://www.snopes.com/love/dating/golddigger.asp00:53
* timeless uses screen00:53
juhovhthat's going to use very little bandwidth00:53
timelessit also works for when my mac can't connect via irc:00:53
villagerptl: it's only meant to transmit to a car radio or stereo next to it... you need some sort of official license to transmit longer than that, and since the N900 is a consumer device, it limits the range to that00:53
timeless(as is the case right now)00:54
ptlI could add the power boost hack to the walkie-talkie app00:54
timelessptl: you want people to be arrested for violating FCC regs?00:54
fluxactually I've found that running ssh+irc from my n900 eats its battery quite fast if infact I'm also attached the same session to a pc and I'm flipping windows00:54
timelessthere was a tudent radio station @ UCLA which violated the broadcast output limits and it was converted to carrier vecause of that00:55
fluxptl, it is also likely that the hardware isn't very suitable for sending high-power FM00:55
fluxptl, however, why wouldn't you implement the walkie-talkie over wlan?00:55
timelesss/tud/stud/00:55
infobottimeless meant: there was a student radio station @ UCLA which violated the broadcast output limits and it was converted to carrier vecause of that00:55
luke-jrtimeless: is Nokia refusing to provide the code needed for ptl to do what he wants?00:55
fluxptl, os was the point to use FM band..00:55
ptlflux: because there is not every place that has a vlan00:56
ShadowJKparolang, it all depends on what  you're doing00:56
ptland because where I work00:56
ptlwe use LEAP00:56
fluxptl, you can have an ad-hoc wlan between the phones00:56
ptland N900 does not support LEAP00:56
ptloh00:56
timelessluke: step one: void your warranty by opening the device and inserting a much larger battery and longer antenna00:56
ptlhmm, indeed.00:56
timelessstep two: get fcc approval00:56
luke-jrptl: you could also in theory write your own driver to use the wlan chipset for your own custom data00:56
ShadowJKinstead of fm radio/receiver f or walkie talkie... how about adhoc wlan...00:56
timelessstep three: profit?00:56
luke-jrtimeless: so Nokia isn't preventing it?00:57
ptlstep three is ???, step four is profit00:57
timelessluke: the FCC is00:57
Bash1what format does the snes emulator use for roms?00:57
fluxtimeless, no, it's rather like: step 1) up the internal amplification parameter, and hope it doesn't fry your phone 2) don't get caught :)00:57
ShadowJKThere's even a fm-boost thing in extras. heh.00:57
fluxdoes skype work without connection to the intenet?00:57
ifreqhow long does it takes after package has been build succesfully and it gets imported to extras-devel?00:58
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fluxie. would it work in a closed network such as a non-routed ad-hoc wlan00:58
ShadowJKflux: no00:58
fluxbah. sucky p2p phone system then :)00:58
luke-jrtimeless: as long as Nokia isn't playing FCC on their own, I don't care :P00:58
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fluxmaybe plain VOIP could work?00:59
villagerskype is proprietary crap... sip is better00:59
ptlwell, N900 has even some library called telepathy00:59
fluxor does it need DNS?00:59
timelessother than only buying parts sufficient to do what we need approval for instead of top of the line for things we wouldn't get approval for...00:59
fluxor other services00:59
ptlso it must be able to send a signal directly to the brain00:59
luke-jrflux: plain VoIP + IPv6 would probably work to a degree00:59
V13hasn't xmpp voice capability?00:59
fluxptl, I think they haven't yet implemented that module..00:59
luke-jrV13: XMPP requires a central server too01:00
V13there's link-local01:00
V13serverless01:00
V13(and it works)01:00
ShadowJKflux: btw, IRC on 3g is a real battery killer01:00
fluxv13, is there an actual program that can take advantage of that?01:00
V13"that" /01:00
V13?01:00
V13well.. that's an interesting question.01:00
fluxv13, of link-local serverless XMPP to transmit voice01:00
V13t.m.o. has a thread for google voice with video chat01:01
V13and afaik google talk is based on xmpp01:01
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V13so, it *should* be almost done01:01
V13but no idea01:01
ptlI'd like to know how I can press "enter" on the xterm for the emulated N900 environment (scratchbox) without having to press that annoying Ctrl button01:01
zashV13: s/based on//01:01
V13press the other enter01:01
ptlwhat do you mean, V13?01:02
ptlI have a laptop01:02
V13ptl: you press the keypad enter ?01:02
V13oh01:02
ptlI don't have a numeric-keypad-enter01:02
zashV13: gtalk is xmpp01:02
V13zash.. exactly01:02
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V13and n900's gtalk can do voice01:02
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V13(based on t.m.o)01:02
V13so xmpp local should probably be able to do voice too01:02
V13but that's only a guess01:02
villagerptl: telepathy is just a fancy name... it's an open source communications infrastructure, it can handle voip, telephony, sms, im, and things like that...01:02
jebbaV13: can do voice fine @jabber to @jabber01:03
jebbaor whatever random jabber/xmpp server, not just google01:03
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DocScrutinizer(walkietalkie) via BT-PAN you got better cards for that app01:03
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ptlvillager: I know that, I was kidding01:05
zashjebba: voice won't work with random xmpp to gtalk?01:05
ptlwalkie-talkie via bluetooth?01:05
ptlthere's not enough bandwidht for that... isn't it?01:05
jebbazash: ya, that works too. all gtalk/xmpp/jabber variations i've seen work fine with talk.01:06
timelessptl: bt can handle an audio call...01:06
timelesshow else would you expect headphones to work?01:06
villagerptl: if you've got bt headsets, then surely there's enough... the range may be more of an issue01:06
jebbai did adhoc network + asterisk server on n900 for sort of infrastructure-free communication between n900s.01:06
zashjebba: cool01:07
zashjebba: it would be awesome to dump the carriers01:07
DocScrutinizerptl: sure there is. or use adhoc-wlan as mentioned before01:07
DocScrutinizeractually with 100mW TX pwr you could see some 100m on free field01:08
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jebbasi, is part of grand plan.01:10
jebbaDocScrutinizer we got about 30M in the woods01:11
jebbaline of site was pretty much key...01:11
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DocScrutinizerjebba: sounds about reasonable01:11
ptlDocScrutinizer: ok01:12
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DocScrutinizerjebba: though I guess it largely depends on holding the N900 in a way you don't obstruct the WLAN antenna01:12
jebbaexactly.01:12
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villagerwould a headset boost the wlan antenna like it boosts the fm transmitter?01:13
villager(wired)01:13
jebbai dont think so, but i wish.01:13
DocScrutinizervillager: nope01:13
MohammadAGvillager, it doesn't boost the fm transmitter01:13
DocScrutinizerfreq of WLAN not suited for a headset cable for antenna01:13
MohammadAGthe receiver yes, the transmitter, i doubt it01:14
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: exactly, it's supposed to boost the RX only01:14
villagerMohammadAG: why do you then think the buildin software turns down the fm transmitter when you connect a wired headset "in order to comply with regulations"?01:14
MohammadAGnope01:14
DocScrutinizerhuh? never seen that01:14
MohammadAGcause it causes interference01:14
DocScrutinizerfunny though01:15
MohammadAGplugin in a charger while using the TX01:15
DocScrutinizerI managed to create a nice feedvack over FM-TX -> RX XP01:15
MohammadAGalthough i think it's a sw bug01:15
MohammadAG(but the n97 does it do)01:15
MohammadAGthen again the n97 is the flagship of bugs01:15
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DocScrutinizerbtw plugin of headset says "route audio to AV receptacle". What use could FM-TX have when you don't feed audio to it?01:16
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N900evilbeeping01:17
DocScrutinizerstart TX. start FMreceiver, ignore "plug antenna" warning. Tune to same freq as TX -> voila: feedbak01:19
DocScrutinizer I guess with 2 N900 you create a pair if puppet house walkietalkies easily that way ;-P01:20
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DocScrutinizeraaaah forgot: "enable speaker in FMrcv"01:21
ptlis that in the configuration menus? Sorry, for now I am using just the emulated environment, my N900 still hasn't arrived, it's in the customs agency.01:24
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DocScrutinizerjebba: while talking: I really don't like the idea to use * for a p2p-sip connection. How would you enter "SIP:clientA@192.186.1.20" to dialer, for connection type SIP-VOIP?01:29
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jebbano clue01:32
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DocScrutinizerhaaahhh :-))01:36
Damion2uhsf: ah, good for you.  the ifconfig usb0 51.0.0.9 up and route add default gw 51.0.0.10 would do01:36
DocScrutinizerswitch connection type to voip in dialer keypad, and fine you are01:36
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Damion2irc on a mobile was ~1997 when the 9000 came out01:36
Damion2although I didn't get to use the work pool one until Jan 199801:37
ptlwhat's 'the 9000'?01:38
ptlI used irc on a PDA in 199901:38
Damion2The Nokia 9000 their 1st communicatof01:40
Damion2r01:40
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ptlah01:43
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ptlI've seen that one... and I had a sort-of compatible device, the nokia 771001:43
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Damion2compatible?01:46
Damion2the following 9110 was a wonderful device01:46
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Damion27710 was 200401:48
ptlI just meant that I was able to run some apps made for the N9000 on my N7710.01:50
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ptlN9000 used Symboan S80, N7710 Symbian S9001:51
ptl*Symbian01:51
villagerI don't think 9000 used Symbian01:51
ptlisn't it the nokia communicator?01:51
villagerit was GEOS, not Symbian01:51
villageryes, communicator01:52
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ptlI confused things01:52
ptlwith Nokia 9300 and 950001:52
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ptlaccording to wikipedia it was first Nokia 9000, then 9110, then they changed to Symbian with 9210, then it was 9300 and 950001:53
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DocScrutinizerdarn, "new voip-account / SIP" isn't very clear on how to set it up for direct-p2p SIP, i.e. using it *without* registrar01:54
Bash1what format does the snes emulator use for roms?01:54
Damion2ptl: yes, so 9000 didn't do symbian stuff01:55
Damion2it had an intel compatible cpu, could run command.com01:55
uhsfDamion2: i noted these from late reply just in case libicd-network-null was broken somehow01:56
Damion2and 9300 was recently so 9210 s/ware must have been able to run on the 771001:56
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ptlgood times. And the Nokia 7710 even had flash. (iPad hasn't)02:01
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Andy80hi02:12
ifreqlo02:13
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Andy80yes, we really need am hildonized xchat :)02:14
SpeedEvilThat woudl be nice.02:15
SpeedEvilPlz do.02:15
zerojayWhat are you waiting for? Get to work. ;)02:15
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SpeedEvilIf you succeed, I will buy you a GPS upgrade kit!02:18
Andy80lol :p02:18
SpeedEvilhttp://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.287602:18
Andy80I'm not so skilled with gtk ui02:19
DocScrutinizerwhat's "hildonized xchat" please?02:19
SpeedEvilpresumably one that scrolls nicely02:20
SpeedEvilsome of the menus are less insane to use02:20
SpeedEvil...02:20
DocScrutinizer[2010-02-06 14:07:33] <DocScrutinizer51> RST38h: big master of xchat mods, how about less crome to shrink the input textfield (almost 2 lines hight now), removing the dangerous chantab close [X}, and ##make scrollbutton hotarea MUUUCH LARGER## ? Earn further eternal merits :-)02:20
DocScrutinizerwould suffice for me, for now02:20
SpeedEvilyeah02:21
SpeedEvilchantab close?02:22
SpeedEvilsmaller input area would be good.02:22
DocScrutinizerI have channel-tree o n left side. n  left lower there's a "[X]" to close the current chan subwin02:23
SpeedEvilyou can turn that off02:23
SpeedEvilit's in prefs02:23
DocScrutinizerhow?02:23
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SpeedEvilvi ~/.xc...02:23
DocScrutinizerlol02:23
SpeedEvilI also want what pidgin can do.02:23
DocScrutinizerI want waht pidgin can't do02:24
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DocScrutinizerpidgin is abyssmal crap. what is it, it can do and xchat can't?02:25
SpeedEvilhttp://www.mauve.plus.com/pidgin.gif02:25
SpeedEvilaliased channel names with short names02:26
DocScrutinizerk02:26
DocScrutinizerany searchstring for mod-o-fy .../xchat.conf?02:28
SpeedEvilhango02:28
DocScrutinizerI mean, that's 175 lines02:28
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SpeedEvilgui_quit_dialog?02:29
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SpeedEvilset to 0 here02:29
DocScrutinizerdoesn't sound quite right, anyway I'll give it a try02:30
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* parolang <-- ERC FTW :)02:33
DocScrutinizerwhat I suspected. That is for quit-app-query "do you really want to leave?"02:33
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SpeedEvilSorry.02:34
SpeedEvilIt's a side-effect of picking 'tree mode' channel list02:35
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SpeedEvil(which I find takes up - with channels shortened to 4 chars - less room)02:35
DocScrutinizerthe [X] ?02:35
SpeedEvilThe [X] dissapearing02:35
SpeedEviltree mode has no such button02:35
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DocScrutinizerhmm when I tested it there was something odd with it - can't remember what though02:36
SpeedEvilwfm02:36
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DocScrutinizerhmm I guess it's been the "#maemo" vs "#maemo-devel", and "#openmoko" vs "#openmoko-cdevel" wich makes me grant it more space than the centered can-name text in tabs list02:40
DocScrutinizerso yes, chan aliases are really useful I guess02:40
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DocScrutinizer51still I think I'll learn to love it, when the previous tablist with (X) is the alternative02:43
SpeedEvilhildon has some breakages in some cases02:44
SpeedEvilforex fbreader02:44
SpeedEvilyou can't use the device inverted in portrait mode sanely02:44
SpeedEvilas the 'popup menu' appears in the top-left corner when you pagedown - which is somewhat annoyinhg02:45
DocScrutinizererrr?02:45
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SpeedEvilinverted portrait - when you want the USB charging cable going down02:46
DocScrutinizerwith xchat?02:46
SpeedEvilno02:46
SpeedEvilwith fbreader02:46
SpeedEvilsorry02:46
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ifreqwhat does n900 use as sound device?02:48
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ShadowJKwhat do you mean with that question02:48
DocScrutinizeron lowest level: alsa02:48
ifreq /dev/xxx02:48
DocScrutinizerifreq: you're sure about that?02:48
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ifreqokay. i still cant figure out my problem. built an app (mp3blaster) it works with the deb i built. doesnt work when its build with garage02:49
ifreqso im quite puzzled atm :(02:49
ShadowJKbuild-dep on pulse-dev libalsa-dev and stuff?02:49
ShadowJKwhatever the real names are02:50
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DocScrutinizerifreq: I don't think there is (or if there actually is then whether you should use) /dev/dsp alike OSS soundsystem emu02:50
ifreqhmm ok will look into them02:50
ifreqyeah02:50
ifreqjust strange it builds locally OK package but via garage .. yeah it prob misses something02:51
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ShadowJKThe autobuilder basically doesn't give you anything installed by default02:51
ifreqah02:51
SpeedEvilOkaaaay.02:51
ifreqbbl then. need to fix stuff02:51
tremnite all, sweet dreams02:51
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SpeedEvilFirst unmap original function of ctrl-q before trying to add new.02:51
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: seems your topics are a little jumpy, no? :-)02:52
DocScrutinizerOr I'm below par on keeping up with your thoughts today02:53
SpeedEvilsee above quit02:53
SpeedEvilI was trying to map complete nick to ctrl-q02:53
* ShadowJK has it mapped to shift-space in xchat02:54
DocScrutinizerno quit here. maybe caused by "filter join/quit msgs"?02:54
SpeedEvilyeah02:54
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DocScrutinizerso it's not me :-) pfffeww02:55
DocScrutinizerreminds me to remap nick completion to the unused shift-space02:56
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satmd|n900finally. :)02:59
ptl*envious*03:00
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satmdwhy?03:00
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ptlbecause my n900 is still not here03:01
ptlI only have the emulated scratchbox environment.03:01
ptltwo weeks and a half since I bought it03:02
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ShadowJKperpetually out of stock :(03:02
DocScrutinizerk, bat @ 28% after 6h of UMTS & IRC03:02
ptl3 or 4 days to get to my country03:02
ptlnot because it's out of stock03:02
ptlthe rest of time in the customes agency03:02
Arkenoii get constant problems with mouse click from flash03:03
Arkenoimost of the time it just does not work at all03:03
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, how many chans/active is that?03:03
DocScrutinizer  . /whois DocScrutinizer5103:04
dracflamlocptl: i just got mine yesterday, im loving it03:04
ptlaaaaaah :(03:04
DocScrutinizer[2010-02-07 02:03:49] [Whois] DocScrutinizer51 hat Benutzerstatus in den Kanälen: #gta02-core #maemo #maemo-devel #neo1973-germany #openmoko #openmoko-cdevel03:04
ptlI'm anxious as hell03:04
dracflamloci bet03:05
dracflamloci was too03:05
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ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, odd, it showed me maemo and mer only :P03:05
* Arkenoi tried to play tower defence and could not build any towers :-(03:06
ShadowJKprobably only chans we're both in.03:06
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: hmm, might relate to some chan set "invisible" or somesuch03:06
ShadowJKi suspect freenode treats all chans as +s for whois03:06
DocScrutinizeror there is a user mode to set this03:07
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DocScrutinizerdunno03:07
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* ShadowJK manages to pose the question whether N900 has colomb counting or voltage crap in a bugzilla comment :D03:08
DocScrutinizerhrhrr03:08
ShadowJKso like, freerunner had a chip in the battery, but also worked fine on nokia batteries, I guess the battery meter (if any) didn't work with nokia batteries?03:09
Matthew-oi guys, you know the podcast thingy?03:09
ShadowJKgpodder?03:09
Matthew-Can I get the podcasts from Itunes there?03:09
Matthew-ShadowJK: yeah03:09
ShadowJKdunno about itunes03:09
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: that's been addressed to me?03:10
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ShadowJKnot particulary, but there has been some freerunner users here in the past atleast, would've been interesting if anyone had tried it with nokia batteries03:12
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DocScrutinizersure03:13
DocScrutinizerwe even made a kernel module to have semi-decent 'battery-voltage crap" with nokia BL-xC03:13
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ShadowJKah :-)03:14
DocScrutinizerthe bq27k CC chip resides in the GTA02 smart battery03:14
N900evilhmm03:15
DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers03:15
N900evilf7/8 are scroll buttons. unfortunately shift-lock does not act like shift is pressed03:15
N900eviltrying to get it to scroll up/down after caps lock turned on03:16
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* DocScrutinizer wonders how SpeedEvil is goinf to press F7/8 on N90003:16
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ShadowJKhm.. "noisy measuring of battery current" on gta0103:17
Damion2qemu took 4* as long to decode an mp3 to wav than native03:18
Damion2that's pretty promising03:18
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: I'm not 100% sure this is correct03:19
Damion2ace_solitaire was significantly faster emulated locally than X forwarded03:19
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: actually current *is* noisy. Probably you just get a momentary value when reading the current03:19
N900evilf7/8 are scroll buttons. unfortunately shift-lock does not act like shift is pressed03:19
* DocScrutinizer wonders how SpeedEvil is goinf to press F7/8 on N90003:20
DocScrutinizer:-P03:20
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, yeah I'd imagine it'd be something like a soc's gpio/ADC over a sense resistor?03:20
N900evilf7/8 are zoom buttons.03:20
N900eviloops03:21
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: yup03:21
* ShadowJK must now find the sauce for that "voltage crap" module, it's porn03:21
DocScrutinizerit's built in to the PCF50606 PMU chip, but nevertheless I guess it's not smart enough to do an average over the last say 10sec03:22
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DocScrutinizerPaulFertser: any hints? :-D03:22
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GAN900DocScrutinizer, volume keys are bound to that.03:24
DocScrutinizeraaaaah03:25
DocScrutinizerthanks GAN90003:25
N900evilshift-up/down bound to pgup/dn makes sense03:25
DocScrutinizercoool03:26
DocScrutinizerouch, broke my fingers :-P03:26
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DocScrutinizermuhahaha, "internal error, xchat closed"03:27
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N900evilSha,03:30
N900evilhmm03:30
N900evilsha:03:30
N900evilsha,03:30
N900eviloops03:30
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dracflamloclol03:31
dracflamlocso... whats the 'best' app/game/whatever everyone recommends for the n900?03:32
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N900evilvi03:33
DocScrutinizerless03:33
DocScrutinizeror maybe bash :-P03:33
Damion2tower toppler03:33
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Damion2N900evil: have you done those pgup/dn mappings?03:34
dracflamlochaha03:35
dracflamlocok besides the normal linux stuff03:35
DocScrutinizerN900evil: ...or have you killed your xchat by pressing shift-leftVol, like I did? :-)03:40
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ShadowJKanyone with sparetime/sparemotivation to write a energysaving irc bouncer? :P03:41
DocScrutinizermake that a proxy.03:42
SpeedEvilDamion2: yes03:43
SpeedEvilDamion2: works well03:43
SpeedEvilDamion2: and shift-right to complete03:43
Damion2yeah me too03:43
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: you did that just via the settings/keymappings?03:43
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: yes.03:43
Damion2oh, I edited some complex config file03:44
DocScrutinizerwith shiftlock?03:44
SpeedEvilannoyingly, you can't map blue-shifts03:44
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: no - it doesn't work with shiftlock - as it looks at the state of teh key, not the logical state of the key03:44
SpeedEvilor something03:44
SpeedEvilbut holding down shift is possible03:44
DocScrutinizeryeah, you'd probably have to tweak xmodmap (or whatever it's called) to map blue-F7/803:45
SpeedEvilI was initially thinking of using the zoombuttons - for which holding down shift is awkward03:45
Damion2where do I get sshfs and is fuse built in?03:46
DocScrutinizerhmmm03:46
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: (hold shift) <quote> [2010-02-07 02:26:36] <DocScrutinizer> ouch, broke my fingers :-P </quote>03:48
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: on a different topic: was that you who complained about the original white breathing light having too long a pause time to spot it at a glance?03:51
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N900evilmaybe03:57
N900evilI think I more wasn't seeinb the point in it at all03:57
N900evilon xchat - shift-0 to channel 1 is very handy.03:58
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* DocScrutinizer curses his äöü kbd04:00
N900evilah04:01
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DocScrutinizer21% after 10h04:05
ShadowJKwait what? what was it at 6h..04:06
ShadowJKand how come your umts irc is draining battery like my edge irc...04:06
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ShadowJKto be fair, whenever I enable 3g mode with xchat open, it stays at 3.5g hsdpa all of the time :/04:06
DocScrutinizersorry, after 7h04:07
* ShadowJK wonders if the voltageguestimate thing knows about current consumption04:09
DocScrutinizerstill mostly 3G here04:09
DocScrutinizerdoesn't seem so, according to lshal04:10
DocScrutinizeriirc04:10
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ShadowJKyeah well, current consumption isn't in lshal on N8x0 either04:11
ShadowJKbut the hardware actually measures it good enough that you can make your own colomb counter in userspace04:11
ShadowJK1sec sampling interval ghetto mA counting seems to stay 10% accurate for half a week or so, too :-)04:12
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: actually I'd expect the omap PMU should know about current consumption04:16
ShadowJKI've seen some unrealistic "corrections"04:18
ShadowJKwhich kinda make me think it's unaware of current consumption, and just has a voltage window treating peaks as unloaded voltage04:19
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DocScrutinizerThat's what I deduced from the capacity readings, yes04:20
ShadowJKI guess the hw can measure current, but can't count it04:21
DocScrutinizerbut the guessometer not knowing or caring about actual current consumption doesn't mean you can't accuire this reading from any of the PMU registers04:21
DocScrutinizerexactly04:21
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ShadowJKI'm running shit that keeps the CPU awake most of the time anyway, adding a charge counter running on the CPU would be small batterylife hit for me :(04:22
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DocScrutinizerhrhrr haha. bat low warning. 0%04:28
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ShadowJKfrom what percentage did it jump to 0? :-)04:31
DocScrutinizer[2010-02-07 03:05:32] <DocScrutinizer> 21% after 7h [edit]04:31
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dracflamlochave any of you tried jagged alliance 2 on n900?04:57
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dracflamlocerm05:17
dracflamlocwhy does my n900 tell me its fully charged, but its really at 90%05:18
timelessjebba: ping05:18
timelessdrac: =~ s/its/it's/05:18
timelessjebba: can you give me space on mas:/dev/vdh1 ?05:20
timeless(or anything w/ a couple of gigs of space, / doesn't even have 1gb)05:20
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crashanddiedracflamloc: battery protection?05:22
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dracflamloc?05:22
ShadowJKI think the battery charger and the battery meter are mostly unaware of eachother05:23
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* timeless is rarely told that the battery is charged 05:30
timelessdracflamloc: how do you decide that it's @90% and what makes you think that the n900 told you it was fully charged?05:31
dracflamlocwell05:32
dracflamlocthe status light turned white while it was plugged in05:32
dracflamlocso i unplug, and the 'batlevel' program shows 90%05:32
* timeless thought 'green' meant fully charged..05:32
ShadowJKi think the white is "charger not connected, device alive"05:33
ShadowJKpulsating white05:33
dracflamlochm05:33
ShadowJKdunno what constant white is05:33
dracflamlocman i just got this thing yesterday and already im worried about messing up that usb port05:33
timelessif it's fully charged, it will say so w/ text on the screen...05:33
timeless(when it's not screen locked)05:33
dracflamloci hear that some have grinded down the nubs on the charger/usb cable.05:33
dracflamlocah05:33
dracflamloci think it was screen locked tho05:34
ShadowJKThe N900 always runs on battery, once it's charged it'll be draining the battery until the charge level drops sufficiently to restart charging05:37
timelessanyway, it sound like you randomly guessed at the color scheme05:37
ShadowJKTheoretically you could keep the charger always on, keeping it constantly fully charged, but this is very hard on the battery05:37
timelessand then accused it of lying05:37
dracflamlocuhm05:37
timelesswhich is probably not the best way to go about things05:37
dracflamlocforgive me?05:37
timelesssure, but piece of advice: next time, ask what the colors mean :)05:38
dracflamlocsince your timeless i guess you've not made assumptions with that timeless wisdom ;)05:38
timeless=~ s/your/you're/05:38
ShadowJKtimeless: there's actually a bug on bugzilla complaining about full != 100% ;)05:38
timelessshadowjk: i can't say i'm surprised :)05:39
dracflamlocah ha!05:39
ShadowJKThose batlevel things should probably have an option to filter the raw values in order not to confuse users :)05:39
dracflamlocheh05:39
timelessno05:40
dracflamlocwell lets just say that the n900 is the first of all the devices i've ever had, to not show 100% in 'raw' values when the charger says its fully charged05:40
timelessodds are the raw values are more confusing ;-)05:40
timelessi still want to know how you decided it thought it was fully charged05:41
timelessit sure doesn't sound like you got the text message saying that05:41
ShadowJKdracflamloc, one popular method is to say full when charge reaches 70%, and silently continue charge in background, because the last 30% take a really long time...05:41
dracflamlocthe screen was locked05:41
timelessthere's a second text message that tells you to unplug the charger05:41
dracflamlocanyway05:41
timelessdrac: we've already indicated that white is basically 'i'm alive and wasting power'05:42
dracflamlocyes05:42
timeless'(but my screen is dark, that's why i'm white)'05:42
* ShadowJK wonders if timeless has slept05:42
timelessnot recently05:43
luke-jrtimeless: huh? isn't white the least power-consuming?05:43
timelessyesterday i was waiting to throw up05:43
timelessluke: powered off wastes less power05:43
ShadowJKluke-jr, the most power-consuming I think?05:43
luke-jrtimeless: well, yeah... :P05:43
timelessand no, it isn't wasting 005:43
timelessremoving the battery will probably waste less05:43
ShadowJKwhite takes more power to produce than red I think?05:44
timelessand again, probably technically still >005:44
luke-jrShadowJK: IIRC, white is the default of LCD05:44
ShadowJKluke-jr, not the LED though05:44
luke-jr...05:44
dracflamlocwow jagged alliance data folder is 10,000 files05:45
dracflamlocguess i should tar those and untar them right on the phone05:45
ShadowJKThey're usually 3 led's on a single die/package, red green blue.. all 3 needed to produce white05:45
ShadowJKand not white led with a 1-pixel large LCD infront05:45
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timelessyou need two /'s if you want root05:47
timelessit's documented somewhere05:47
timelessoops05:48
ShadowJKOh you mean white on the screen, not status light, consuming least power?05:48
ShadowJKyeah... on SmartQ7 you can turn off LCD but keep backlight.. the screen fades to white :D05:48
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SpeedEvilShadowJK: yeah - there are three LEDs in one little package. The blue is probably the most efficient in terms of light output per unit of power in - but the eye sucks at blue. green or red are probably slightly more efficient. in practice - an equal brightness of light will probably use more or less the same power to within 50%06:16
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SpeedEvilwhatever the colour06:16
ShadowJKawesome06:17
ShadowJKnow explain why people pimp their cars with blue headlights06:18
ShadowJK;)06:18
SpeedEvil'cause they're ass-hats.06:18
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ShadowJK:)06:18
SpeedEvilMore seriously - HID lights - are considerably more efficient and produce more light output per watt. And it's a better light to see with.06:18
SpeedEvilBut.06:18
ShadowJKI was expecting rayleigh and what not, but that's good enough06:18
SpeedEvilUnless very carefully adjusted - they can dazzle other drivers badly.06:19
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SpeedEvilEven in some cases if they are carefully and properly adjusted - and an unlucky road layout06:19
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dannyhi06:21
ShadowJKI remember when yellow was pop06:21
crashanddieoh man, yellow lights sucked06:21
SpeedEvilReterofitted lights need lots of clue to work right.06:22
dannyi need help06:22
crashanddiefor some reason, in Belgium, the surface of the roads had a specific property that when it rained and you were in a car that had yellow lights, the whole road would light up06:22
SpeedEvildanny: With?06:22
dannymath06:22
crashanddiedanny: wrong channel06:22
SpeedEvildanny: Do you have a man-eating lump of animated cheese hammering at your window trying to kill you?06:22
dannyno06:23
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crashanddieBTW, guys06:24
crashanddieyou don't think it's interesting we don't have an explanation of Maemo is in our topic?06:24
ShadowJKnot enough room06:24
SpeedEvilnot really.06:24
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crashanddieUploading 1.5gig worth of photos to flickr on the hotel wifi maybe wasn't such a good idea after all06:38
luke-jr.....06:39
crashanddieI don't know why I'm reminded of this discussion I had with a University system admin06:41
crashanddieHe explained that in order to make sure that all large uploads to their FTPs/whatever sharing service it was, people were recommended to download the file again, and make sure that the old file had the same hash as the new one06:42
crashanddieA couple of months after I'd raised my concerns, I saw the guy again, and asked him: "So how's that whole double-upload/download working out for ya?"06:42
crashanddieThe answer was unique, and I'll never forget it: "I was fired last month after they received the bandwidth usage statistics"06:43
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derfMaybe I'm confused. If they didn't have the bandwidth for people to download something after they uploaded it, what was the point of having an FTP to begin with?06:45
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crashanddieOh my bad, forgot to mention a pretty important point: upload was internal, download was external06:47
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crashanddiewhich it obviously wasn't supposed to be06:48
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DocScrutinizerweird06:58
* DocScrutinizer sighs and points to backscroll of this very channel while reading about battery-at-90%07:01
dracflamlochm07:04
dracflamlocso whats the actual path to the "n900" and microsd card from terminal?07:05
DocScrutinizerN900 is /home/user/MyDocs07:06
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DocScrutinizeruSD probably something like /media/card or /mnt or sth07:07
qwerwill multitouch work with maemo's google maps?07:07
DocScrutinizerwhich multitouch?07:07
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qweroh n90007:08
dracflamlocthanks07:08
DocScrutinizerN900 has no multitouch07:08
qwerI'm comparing nexus one, droid, and maemo - cause I'd prefer OSS, but I want power too07:08
qwerah, thanks docscrutinizer07:08
DocScrutinizerdracflamloc: for battery you might find http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers interesting07:11
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dracflamloctx07:16
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dracflamlochow do i install 'easy debian'07:25
crashanddiedracflamloc: GOOGLE07:26
crashanddieGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGLEEEEEEEEE07:26
dracflamlocyea im trying07:26
uhsfwhat's easy debian? i installed the synergy binary from easy debian but i don't know the purpose of easy debian07:26
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crashanddieuhsf: easy debian is a chroot allowing you to run all of debian's pre-packaged apps07:29
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dracflamlocah i had searched for 'debian'07:30
dracflamlocnot 'deb'07:30
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dracflamlocwoot, here we go!07:32
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crashanddiehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4336160423/07:46
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dracflamlocany of you guys post useful stuff to twitter?07:48
qwertwitter is capable of useful content?07:48
qwerlol j/k07:48
dracflamlocha07:48
dracflamlocyea i know07:48
dracflamlochard to believe07:48
qwerthere are penty of other resources that work better I'd imagine07:49
crashanddiedracflamloc: are you following mwkn?07:49
crashanddiehttp://twitter.com/mwkn07:50
dracflamlocnah i only follow a few coders i know so far07:50
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crashanddiedracflamloc: check it out, it's not too shabby07:51
dracflamlocwill do07:51
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PaulFertserShadowJK: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=blob_plain;f=drivers/power/gta01_battery.c;hb=andy-tracking08:46
luke-jrPaulFertser: possible to wire that to BME? :P08:47
luke-jrerr08:47
luke-jrto Nxx0 battery*08:47
luke-jr:)08:47
PaulFertserluke-jr: :))) if there's a way to measure battery voltage somehow (in-kernel), yes.08:47
Lumpio-BME o_o08:48
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crashanddieI'm bored08:58
crashanddiejust came back from work08:58
crashanddieasj_: any restaurants you'd recommend for tonight?08:59
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dracflamlochow can you start a debbie-based program without the top-bar from maemo?09:36
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dracflamlocanyone home?09:54
dracflamlochow do i use 'hardware keys'09:55
dracflamlocSelect the "Set Debian HW Keys" menu item; wait a bit, then you can press the minus (-) hardware key followed by the "fullscreen" hardware key to toggle fullscreen for any app.09:55
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Chikuany news when new minor firmware will be released?10:22
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kamui__feb 8th10:28
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Markus23How can I authorize/get authorication icq contacts?10:51
vincentstansis anyone having canola2 as media player installed ?10:51
Markus23I only see numbers as contacts...10:51
Markus23i have installed the additional codecs10:52
Markus23they work great10:52
Markus23now I can play all videos but one I have here10:53
vincentstansthe default media player send out a high pitch tone to my stereo canola doesn't do this10:53
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vincentstansbut when listening to a track in canola it sometimes suddenly send a piece of a other track on my phone for 3 or 4 seconds10:54
vincentstansreally weird10:54
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mateushello, I'm trying to test the espeak in maemo more no sound. somebody did?10:59
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Markus23anyone uses icq contacts for n900?11:00
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voltagexHi, Where does Tasks actually store the tasks database?11:03
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vincentstansmarkus23 let me just install icq and retrieve my icq stuff i haven'd use for years ;D11:09
mateussomeone already successfully tested the espeak?11:11
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vincentstansmarkus23 what have you installed to use icq ? in conversations or a seperate app11:18
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Damion2I found with gtalk that I got a quick screen notification to accept contacts, I think if I missed it, it was hard to have the chance again11:36
crashanddieI need recommendations for takeaway food tonight11:38
Damion2qemu-i386 ./toppler runs at about 75% !  full sdl app11:38
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Damion2it feels more like p120 than 486dx40 some were estimating11:40
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Damion2it helps that native kernel and Xorg are involved in much of the work vs full pc h/ware emulation11:42
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hrw|n900hi11:43
hrw|n900mdbus needs to be in extras11:44
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ifreqmourning11:47
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voltagexHi, Where does Tasks actually store the tasks database?11:54
voltagexcalendardb doesn't seem to have it11:54
voltagexI stand corrected, there it is.11:55
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* asj_ yawns12:02
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JaffaMorning, all12:12
asj_eening12:12
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hrw|n900re12:14
Corsachmhm, is angry birds available for other handsets?12:17
Corsac(n810? other phones from other brands?)12:17
JaffaCorsac: iPhone, IIRC12:18
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asj_what is angry birds?12:45
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Jaffaasj_: Fun little game in the Ovi store12:46
asj_ah ok12:46
asj_there's something useful there? ;)12:46
Jaffaasj_: http://store.ovi.com/content/23158?clickSource=browse&contentArea=games12:46
Jaffaasj_: That's about it ;-)12:46
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asj_lovely, ovi store can't send to my phone12:55
fragmentasj_: but there is nothing there to send anyway :P12:59
asj_fragment: well, other than angry birds12:59
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LuciusMarehi, does anybody know why is ssh so unobeying? i had to /etc/init.d/ssh stop it about 20 times, then sigkill the process itself (it spawned again by itself) and now, i hope it is gone for a while13:12
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pupnikquiet13:18
koala_manI get this when trying to run maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py: TypeError: QWizardPage.registerField(QString, QWidget, str property=None, SIGNAL() changedSignal=0): argument 4 has unexpected type 'str'13:18
koala_manthis is on a newly installed debian sid chroot with python-qt4 4.7-213:19
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pupnikurgh13:20
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pupnik13:00  aw 1124  Daniel Stone :)13:22
pupnikanybody watching tannenbaum ?13:23
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bennypr0faneHello, does anyone know whether it's possible to undo a screen calibration of N900? I calibrated it, but now it's worse than before, so i'd like to go back to the previous situation. Any suggestions?13:30
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* RST38h yawns13:48
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* RST38h found why his N900 ends up unnlocked every morning: for some reason, PR1.1 makes it unlock every time the charger is plugged in13:50
LuciusMareunlocked?13:51
RST38hyes13:51
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LuciusMareand, talking about unlocking, what is the default code?13:52
LuciusMare(if i want to change it)13:52
RST38h"The HoneyGrid scans 40 million Web sites and 10 million emails, so it was bound to find something interesting. Among the things it found was that a staggering 95% of User Generated Content is either malicious in nature or spam."13:52
* RST38h cackles evilly13:52
LuciusMarehoneygrid?13:52
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LuciusMarewait a minute13:53
LuciusMareit scans 10 million emails??13:53
LuciusMarelike, personal emails?13:53
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bennypr0faneHello, does anyone know whether it's possible to undo a screen calibration of N900? I calibrated it, but now it's worse than before, so i'd like to go back to the previous situation. Any suggestions?13:56
LuciusMarecalibrate it better :)13:57
bennypr0faneIn dunno, i'm afraid of making it even worse13:58
bennypr0faneso, do you know if can be nudone?13:59
bennypr0fane*undone13:59
LuciusMarewell, i dont really think that it is possible13:59
RST38hLucius: Yes. And all it gets is "what is the default code honeygrid? wait a minut it scans 10 million emails like personal emails"13:59
RST38h"well i dont really think it is possible"14:00
LuciusMareeh?14:00
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RST38hLucius: Do you see why they claim 95% of that stuff to be garbage now? :)14:00
LuciusMarewell, everything looks like garbage without context14:00
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RST38hwazd moo14:02
Corsacmootoo14:03
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LuciusMaremootoo?14:04
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zerojayAny di.fm fans here?14:22
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crashanddieyou?14:22
DassuHow does ssh to the device work for you guys when wlan is in power save mode? O_o14:23
DassuI never get connection that way14:23
zerojayJust working on a package that will add all the di.fm streams to media player when installed.14:23
zerojayDassu: Set powersave to intermediate instead of max.14:24
crashanddieDassu: depends which router I'm on14:24
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crashanddieDassu: in the London office, doesn't work. At home in London it works fine, at the PAT in Brisbane doesn't work either14:25
fnordianslipDassu: works fine with my Draytek router/ap14:25
SpeedEvilworks just fine on mine14:25
SpeedEvilon max14:25
Dassu:/14:26
DassuI alwasy have to set my Power save to none.14:26
Dassuhmm14:27
crashanddieDassu: well, the reason your N900 doesn't work with SSH then is because the battery drained in 48.3 seconds14:27
Dassuseems to work with medium as well14:27
zerojaylol14:27
crashanddiein other words, don't set power save to none14:27
Dassucrashanddie: It can last for like 8hours14:28
DassuNope, doesn't work with medium anymore14:28
crashanddieyou but, like, it's not like it won't like liking what I have, which unlike yours, is like 3 days!14:28
DassuI guess I have to create a switch for this14:28
Dassucrashanddie: Dont care about 3 days If the recharger is right next to me14:29
crashanddieSo you bought a mobile device because you never leave home? Makes sense14:29
* crashanddie deactivates House mode14:29
Corsaccrashanddie: not sure how you manage to keep it 3 days14:30
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CorsacI can't make it last more than 36h14:30
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Corsacor maybe 40-4514:30
vincenzociao14:30
crashanddieCorsac: I dunno, I charged it last on Friday and now it's beeping14:30
vincenzo!list14:30
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Dassucrashanddie: dude14:31
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Dassucrashanddie: I'm not gonna ssh to my device from anywhere else than home. So problem doesn't exist in elsewhere14:31
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crashanddiezerojay: favourite picture of all those I've taken yesterday: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4336878936/sizes/l/14:32
crashanddiesorry, GeneralAntilles ^14:32
Jaffacrashanddie: I had to give in and introduce a tiny bit of PHP into the existing mwkn.net site (under `resources' in svn) just to handle issue lists14:33
crashanddieJaffa: no sweat14:33
Jaffacrashanddie: Cool photo14:33
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CorsacJaffa: yes I've seen them, remember we cooked the wiki page together? :)14:35
zerojaycrashanddie: Wow.14:38
crashanddielol... some guy in a photography channel just asked me why my pictures were blurry...14:39
crashanddiethat's shallow depth of field, bru14:39
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SpeedEvilhow big is that snake - 2cm across?14:39
SpeedEvilno - 1.514:40
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crashanddieSpeedEvil: bit more than that14:40
Kegetysor the noise reduction14:40
crashanddieSpeedEvil: depends what you mean by "across"14:40
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JaffaCorsac: Yeah, thought we might've done - but it was a while ago and my mind is failing :-/14:41
Corsac:)14:41
CorsacJaffa: were you at the talk?14:41
SpeedEvilcrashanddie: diameter14:41
crashanddieSpeedEvil: maybe a bit more than 2cm, probably 414:41
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crashanddieJaffa: thanks14:42
JaffaCorsac: No, didn't make it to FOSDEM.14:42
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JaffaCorsac: Didn't even consider going until someone asked. I'm not used to thinking of myself as a somebody who people might like to meet ;-)14:42
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crashanddieJaffa: don't be that humble, you're not that great14:43
Corsacwell, you might have wanted to go to the talks :)14:43
SpeedEvilYes he is! He invented those lovely cakes.14:43
Jaffacrashanddie: Good point.14:43
JaffaSpeedEvil: Yeah, but I stupidly gave them away so I don't get 'em anymore :-(14:43
JaffaCorsac: Indeed. If nothing else, would give me some more content for tonight's MWKN14:44
crashanddiehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa14:44
crashanddiequote from that page: "Jaffa suffers from drug problems, high crime rates and violence."14:44
Corsacahaha14:45
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JaffaHehe14:45
crashanddieit would appear Jaffa is a bit gay: "Jaffa's Jewish population is a mix of "old-timers" who settled in the city in the 1950s and 1960s"14:45
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Jaffahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_orange is the closest to the origin of the nick. "very sweet"14:45
crashanddiehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_riots14:46
JaffaCorsac: http://fosdem.org/2010/interview/elena-reshetova looks appropriate14:47
Corsacyeah, it almost decided me to go :)14:47
Myrttimmmm jaffa cakes14:47
crashanddieHeh, Elena14:47
crashanddiewe're not done with her yet14:47
crashanddieI have great plans for her14:48
zerojayNothing to do with a ballgag, I hope.14:48
crashanddieno, I already told you the ballgag was yours only14:49
crashanddiestop being so insecure, goddamnit14:49
SpeedEvilthat sounds interesting14:49
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Myrttigoddamnit, now I want jaffa cakes14:49
crashanddiezerojay: you have no idea how hard it was to deflect that on you rather than throw in a cheap "your mom" line14:49
zerojaycrashanddie: I appreciate the effort. :)14:50
crashanddiethat's what she said14:50
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JaffaHeh14:51
crashanddieJaffa: I didn't have to work on Saturday afternoon, so I thought I'd go to the zoo, take some pictures, and get drunk during the evening14:52
crashanddiebastards called me in today...14:52
Jaffacrashanddie: Sounds like a perfec... oh.14:52
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crashanddieanyway, going to try and watch something on the crap wifi, and then off to bed14:53
crashanddie'night all14:53
JaffaCy14:53
Jaffa+A14:53
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crashanddiebtw: I WANT MORE V14:58
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crashanddieThat little Lisa kid in V? Djeezus14:58
crashanddieI mean... seriously? http://blog.hdscreencaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Laura_Vandervoort_0001.jpg14:59
aSIMULAtorstarts back in march right?15:02
crashanddieaye15:03
crashanddiebbl, rebooting15:03
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hcarregahi15:04
zerojay4 streams done... 31 to go. :/15:06
hcarregaanyone using stellarium?15:08
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vallhalla81Hi there all15:09
hcarregahi15:09
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Damion2how old is lisa supposed to be?15:16
Damion2is this a remake and she's the one who gets knolckedd up by the alien?15:17
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MohammadAGlol changing the transitions.ini file is fun15:18
MohammadAGset the rotation angle to 36015:18
ShadowJKi think she's supposed to be an alien15:22
crashanddieDamion2: yeah, she's an alien15:23
crashanddieDamion2: the one who gets knocked up is a black chick, don't remember her name15:23
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RST38hV? Who mentioned V? They are returning V?15:28
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crashanddieI'm thinking about opening a gym, it will only be open on Sunday mornings, and it'll be called "Jehova's Fitness"15:31
RST38hcrashanddie: "Burn Your Fat for Jesus!"15:32
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RST38h(also minimizes stigmata size)15:33
crashanddieAnd the Lord said unto John: "Come forth and receive eternal life."15:33
Myrttithere actually is this volunteer thing going on in Finland15:33
crashanddieBut John came fifth and won a toaster15:34
koala_manthe eula link on http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo_5_SDK_installation_for_beginners#Nokia_binaries_installation is broken15:34
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MyrttiLose your weight for Education in Nepal15:34
crashanddieyour weight?15:34
crashanddieYour whole weight?15:34
crashanddieeverything?15:34
crashanddieThat gives a whole new meaning to "Burn your fat"15:34
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Myrttisome millionaire promised to pay 15€ per lost kilo to a development project in Nepal to aid education15:35
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* SpeedEvil lost weight with the n900!15:36
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MohammadAGkoala_man, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php15:36
crashanddieok, so on average that's a 150euro pledge per person, how many participate?15:36
Myrttiso for every kilo of weight you lose, the development project gets money. There's the Finnish institute for health and wellbeing monitoring it, and some church councils and official offices are participating15:36
MohammadAGthere was a |Maemo at the end15:36
SpeedEvilSeriously - I could barely afford it - but I decided that with planned low-calorie/inexpensive meals - I could subsidise it from the diet. And lose weight too! :)15:36
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Myrttihttp://www.thl.fi/en_US/web/en/pressrelease?id=2186415:37
SpeedEvilhttp://www.mauve.plus.com/weight.gif :)15:37
koala_manMyrtti: nice. does it work the other way as well?15:39
MohammadAGkoala_man, wiki edited15:39
MohammadAGthanks for pointing it out :)15:39
koala_manyay, thanks15:39
crashanddieSpeedEvil: how are you achieve such consistency?15:39
crashanddies/ve/ving/15:40
infobotcrashanddie meant: SpeedEvil: how are you achieving such consistency?15:40
lopzhey :p15:40
MohammadAGumm15:43
MohammadAGmy n900 has a charging only indicator in the pop down status menu15:43
MohammadAGapplets area15:43
MohammadAGthe USB cable isn't connected, what's that area's name? systemui?15:44
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SpeedEvilcrashanddie: caloric defecit.15:44
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crashanddieSpeedEvil: impressive, building muscle as well?15:45
SpeedEvilcrashanddie: just maintaining ATM - losing fat15:45
SpeedEvilcrashanddie: -1000 calories/day (from my ~2700 or so baseline) = ~1Kg/week loss15:45
crashanddieSpeedEvil: you do realise that the first thing that goes when you do a calorific burn kills most of your muscles first,right?15:46
SpeedEvilslowed down recently to approach more gradually15:46
koala_man1700kcal per day? jesus15:46
SpeedEvilcrashanddie: I am not finding that I am getting any weaker on tests I'm doing.15:46
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crashanddieSpeedEvil: no, but you should be getting stronger15:47
crashanddieSpeedEvil: anyway, whatever works for you, good luck15:47
SpeedEvilcrashanddie: Got other problems - post viral fatigue syndrome - that makes excersize a real problem.15:47
SpeedEvilBut am doing as much as I can.15:47
crashanddiedon't be a pussy :P15:47
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crashanddiejust go to a local tall building, run up and down the stairs a couple of time, go back home, undust those dumbells and do some abs, you'll be fine15:48
SpeedEvilUnfortunately, if I exert myself as much as I can on one or two days - I can have _no_ energy and difficulty thinking clearly for up to several months.15:49
* RST38h moos at Myrtti15:49
crashanddiedumbells, you get a good 40kg set for roughly 60euros, running shoes for roughly the same, so if you bargain, 100euros and you're set for life :P15:49
RST38hOk, seeing that half the regulars are here, whose N900 goes out of locked mode when you plug it into the charger?15:49
SpeedEvilRST38h: not mine15:50
SpeedEviloh15:50
cehtehRST38h: locked as in keyboard locked or passcode locked?15:50
SpeedEvilif you set 'display always on during charger plugged in' - it may do that15:50
RST38hcehteh: Locked as in locked with the sliding switch15:50
RST38hSpeed: Hmmm...ok, lemme see if it got set by chance15:50
cehtehyes mine wakes up .. i have the 'display always on, when on charger' enabled too15:51
RST38hno, not set15:51
cehtehare this screen-blinking apps which shall fix stuck pixels a myth or actually working?15:52
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RST38hmyth15:52
cehtehguessed so15:52
zerojayThey do work from time to time.15:53
cehtehfor what is the 'power saving' on the screen preferences?15:53
RST38hhmm, no, my N900 always goes unlocked when charged15:53
cehtehi mean we have 'turn off after n secs'15:54
* cehteh tries15:54
cehtehyes mine too15:54
RST38hHave you got a final one or a dev unit?15:54
cehtehfinal15:54
RST38hwtf?15:55
RST38hWeird. Never did that before 51.115:55
cehtehwith new firmware15:55
crashanddieahaha... elderly care home overlooking a funeral director...15:55
cehtehyes iirc thats a regression15:55
crashanddiethat's a classic15:55
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Miczetest16:00
SpeedEvilator16:00
MiczeLovely16:01
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MiczeThis device is the best thing ever.16:05
SpeedEvilThis, or the wheel.16:06
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RST38hwhy don't I see the mention of firearms in this context?16:14
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N900evilyou don't have a bluetooth phalanx system?16:19
* crashanddie cocks a glock and aims at RST38h 16:21
crashanddiehappy now?16:21
RST38hoh yessss16:21
* RST38h found the wiki page about V 2009 season16:21
N900evilhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_CIWS I got one in the box with the n90016:21
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RST38hWeird how things transform with time...16:21
Miczeeveryone i show my phone to that have things like sony experias and the lige just gape in awe16:21
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solpeteurm... why doesnt my 12volt car2usb adapter charge my n900?16:25
N900evilhave you measured the output voltage?16:25
solpetewell it charged my old TYTNII are the voltage speccs different?16:26
solpetebetween micro/mini usb?16:26
N900evilno16:26
N900evildo you mean no charge at all?16:26
solpeteyeah16:27
hardakerI don't think most adaptors can supply the current.16:27
solpetedoesnt even light up16:27
hardakerI don't think it has to do with the voltage.16:27
solpeteok16:27
hardakerthe n900 seems to need to draw a lot of current16:27
Lumpio-500mA shouldn't be hard to draw from a car battery16:27
hardakeryou're not alone16:27
solpetenot really no16:27
Lumpio-Is the charger a dumb one?16:27
N900evilit should charge from low current16:27
hardakerIt's not the car.16:27
hardakerit's the charger.16:27
N900evilin principle16:27
hardakerN900evil: it doesn't.16:27
Lumpio-If it's just a voltage converter, the N900 might not even try to charge from it16:28
crashanddiedoes maps still require internet connectivity?16:28
Lumpio-Because the USB spec requires that you can't draw over 100mA without asking the USB host for a permission16:28
solpetewell it seems as if n900 doesnt want to charge it16:28
Lumpio-...and a dumb voltage converter isn't going to respond16:28
N900evilLumpio-, it does according to L3/L4 manual16:28
Lumpio-I have no idea about that part of the N900 though, so I'm just guessing.16:28
N900evilif the d pins are shorted16:29
solpeteok so I have to buy a specific Nokia charger?16:29
Lumpio-oo16:29
Lumpio-Never heard of that >_>16:29
N900evilto indicate it's a charger16:29
Lumpio-I must've skipped that part of the USB spec16:29
N900evilnewish spec16:29
N900evilcouple of years16:29
hardakersolpete: I suspect you don't need a Nokia one; just a good one.16:29
N900evilsupporting dumb high current chargers16:30
solpeteokay16:30
crashanddieworks fine with blackberry charger16:30
solpeteI guess the fuse wont burn in my car, its not that power hungry I hope hehe16:31
Lumpio-...maybe the car charger doesn't know of the spec :P16:32
SpeedEvilI fit's under a year old, wquite likely16:33
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RST38hHeh... So many people asking for UAE and *none* of them tried porting it.16:35
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RST38hThe best they can do is take pupnik's binary and try running it on n900.16:35
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SpeedEviluae?16:36
RST38hWe are not even talking about writing the thing from scratch, just compiling it16:36
derfRST38h: You mean... use the COMMAND-LINE? That's so hard!16:36
RST38hderf: what is "COMAND-LINE"?16:37
derfYes, exactly.16:37
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RichiH_fosdemcan the n900 function as a usb host?16:40
koala_manwhat does "sb-conf se FREMANTLE_ARMEL" do? set the currently used architecture? why are you supposed to run af-sb-init.sh start in x86 mode?16:41
RST38hcehteh: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=889016:42
povbotBug 8890: Device becomes unlocked when plugged into charger16:42
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koala_manI can't run af-sb-init.sh in armel mode, am I supposed to be able to do that?16:44
Micze.16:46
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ifreqkoala_man: i dont think so16:52
snostormNeed help I believe my N900 is Bricked for me, Resulting from the secon time the n900 has went into continious reboot mode.  the fist time I had just enough battery left to flash the phone  this time the battery is dead and does not seem to want to recharge.  Any ideas?16:52
Lumpio-I guess that's one downside of USB charging, if not done partway in hardware >_>16:53
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ifreqkoala_man: Known limitations: The Hildon UI does not come up in the armel target (this is being worked on).16:54
koala_manah16:55
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SpeedEvilsnostorm: unplug battery and charger.16:56
SpeedEvilsnostorm: wait 43.7 minutes, and plug in battery and charger - leave for a couple of hours16:56
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snostormok how long,16:56
SpeedEvilerr 4-5 mins  I mean16:57
The_Tall1Hi there. There are some python-twisted packages online. Does somebody have experiences using them together with bluetooth?16:57
snostormok will try that, and bee back, does any one know if there is a fix for the phone going into continous reboot if I get it fixed?16:58
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SpeedEvilsnostorm: flashing it should work17:03
SpeedEvilsnostorm: if there isn't a hardware fault17:03
Aranelis Nokia Maps support any language else English?17:04
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MiczeDid i say that i love my n900, if any developer is around. nice work!17:17
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libbenI love the hardware, but it's a shame that the google contact/calander sync is poor17:18
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libbenTo get my google contacts working on my phone, i had to export all contacts from gmail, and then transer the file to the phone.17:18
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Markus23Is it possible to play a song as a whole as wakeup sound?17:19
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Markus23and not only 10 sec and then waiting for some minutes?17:20
* ioeee-N900 saluda o/17:20
The_Tall1All right connect it to a unix socket and it should work, but does it perform on N8XX, too?17:20
snostormSpeedEvil  I put the battery back in but still no charge light I even put the battery in a warm place to make sure it was not cold drained17:23
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Markus23nobody has an idea how you can play the alarm sound longer then 10 sec?17:30
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RST38hOMG they got Linux Torvladsx17:38
Stskeepsshot by a reindeer hunter? :P17:40
derfYou know all he cares about is the kernel.17:41
kynkylies17:42
kynkythought all he cared about was git :)17:42
derfWell, Android uses that, too.17:43
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kynkywould be hard not too i would imagine17:44
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snostormDoes any one know anything about the constant reboot bug ?17:49
Stskeepsupgrade to PR1.1 or send it to nokia care17:49
Sentriis there a way to add a shortcut to the dashboard (or whatever it is called in english) that would open x terminal, ssh to my address and "screen -r" to my irssi?17:50
SentriI tried this but it doesn't work: http://www.petrilopia.net/wordpress/nokia-n900/nokia-n900-irssi-shortcut-to-desktop/17:51
Sentrix term just crashes17:51
Sentrior closes17:52
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ifreqSentri: dont think so17:55
Sentrihttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=426851&postcount=4 also mentions the same way17:55
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ifreqits for ssh connection17:56
Lumpio-...I added that just yesterday17:56
ifreqnot to run commands after17:56
Sentriyeah I'm trying to ssh to my remote box where I have irssi running17:56
Lumpio-I'm not sure if it's necessary, but I put the ssh invocation into a separate .sh file17:57
ifreqssh is OK, but you asked to open screen -r afer17:57
Lumpio-And made osso-xterm run that17:57
Lumpio-I read somewhere that it doesn't like command line args, but I'm not 100% sure of that17:57
Lumpio-ifreq: That works too.17:57
ifreqbtw on examples i suggest to use fullpaths17:57
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RST38hStskeeps: Does you N900 go off locked mode when you plug it into the charger?17:58
RST38h(51.1 assumed)17:58
ifreqLumpio-: youve tested that your desktop icon opens ssh conenctiona and executes screen -r?17:58
StskeepsRST38h: not sure17:58
Lumpio-ifreq: Yes.17:59
ifreqookay then help sentri :) i dont need that nfo.17:59
SentriI removed the 'ssh user@example.org' argument and xterm opens up fine17:59
Lumpio-Maybe it really doesn't like command line arguments for the command17:59
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Sentrihmm17:59
Lumpio-Try putting the ssh invocation into something like /usr/share/bin/ssh-server.sh18:00
DocScrutinizerRST38h: I never use 'lock'. It unblanks though18:00
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Lumpio-And Exec=/usr/bin/oxxo-xterm /usr/local/bin/ssh-server.sh18:01
RST38hStskeeps: Do check: it looks like this is a regression that occurs in 51.118:01
Lumpio-Minus typos18:01
Lumpio-At least that worked for me18:01
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Vensthello,18:03
Venstn' good day to you all.18:03
Vensthad a few questions regarding the Maemo SDK,18:03
Venstwould i use it to compile stuff that are arml for maemo ?18:04
Triztif you want to release it to be used on an arm based device18:07
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* RST38h wonders if he can cut the number of resident browserds down to 318:08
AranelHow can I upload a package to extras-devel?18:08
Venst^sorry got disconnected,18:08
RST38hThere are 7 right now18:08
Venst^paste any replies pls18:08
GAN900RST38h, somebody needs to ship him an N90018:08
Triztif you want to release it to be used on an arm based device18:08
GAN900That's just depressing.18:09
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RST38hGAN: Sts has no N900?18:09
GAN900RST38h, Linus18:09
RST38hAh, Linus... Who cares about Linus18:09
Venst^so would is SDK allow me to compile cli applicaions for the n900 ?18:09
* RST38h is more concerned that wazd has no N900 =)18:09
TriztVenst^; yes, if you select to compile an arm version18:10
GAN900RST38h, well wazd sucks. There's nothing we can do about that. :P18:10
GAN900wazd, don't you have a passport yet?18:10
RST38hGAN: Judging from what he does, he rulez =)18:10
TriztVenst^; for testing it may be good to compile x86 and run it in the "emulator"18:10
RST38hGAN <-- came first in the race to get a passport18:11
GAN900Woo!18:11
Venst^Trizt : shouldnt i compile for arml and test i nthe emulator ?18:11
Venst^in*18:11
TriztVenst^; it's run my x86 compiles so I would say x8618:12
Venst^Trizt : do some applications need their sources edited to run on maemo ?18:13
Venst^as in for arm18:13
Venst^talking about cli applications here18:13
TriztVenst^; no it shouldn't as long as you don't write something really specific x86 CPU18:13
Venst^great.18:13
Venst^Trizt : whats the best easiest road in terms of gui ?18:14
ifreqwazd doenst have a paypal either :P18:14
Venst^QT or something like that?18:14
ifreqso he prolly wont get n900.. ever18:14
TriztVenst^; I have to say I haven't been doing that much, but they suggest to go with qt as that will be the future of maemo18:14
wazdmaybe we'll stop discussing me and n900?18:15
ifreqwazd: nevah!!18:15
ifreq:)18:15
Venst^you know what, fuck gui's i need to find a good command execution widget!18:15
TriztVenst^; think there was one in devel repo18:16
RST38hwazd: Only when you get one. OR the N920 =)18:17
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Venst^will check.18:17
wazdRST38h: with dual-sim and TV :D18:17
RST38hwazd: and a deadly laser18:17
Triztdon't forget a toaster18:18
* RST38h does not get what dual sim is good for, but TV would be nice18:18
RST38hone step closer to tricorder18:18
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TriztRST38h; so you can have your private sim and your work sim in hte same phone, it's quite a lot to carry around on two cellphones18:18
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RST38hTrizt: I do not have corporate phone.18:19
RST38hNo need to.18:19
Triztlucky you18:19
kuriirii don't have private phone :(18:19
RST38hMy time off work is mine.18:19
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* Trizt has weeks when he worsk 24h/7d18:20
wazdRST38h: what do you think about "17 moments of spring" in 3D? :D18:22
RST38hwazd: won't make a difference either way, I think18:26
DocScrutinizerRST38h: it's more like the time *at* work your ass isn't owned by your boss :-P18:26
RST38hwazd: redrawing it in technicolor has not made it significantly worse, so 3d wouldn't either :)18:26
DocScrutinizerRST38h: neither is your private phone18:27
RST38hDocS: my boss knows well that it is more effective to email me.18:27
DocScrutinizerRST38h: so if your boss ever wants to give you a phonecall he better tosses over a corporate phone to you18:28
DocScrutinizerRST38h: heh :-D18:28
DocScrutinizergood boss18:28
RST38hDocS: I am ok with my boss calling me on my private phone, no big deal18:28
DocScrutinizerlet's think about another usecase for dual sim: roaming18:29
RST38hwell, when abroad, I have to buy a sim card and insert it anyway, so I can just as well remove my original sim18:30
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DocScrutinizerget your contract sim to keep the number for people calling you. Use a local prepaid for fair tariff when calling out18:30
RST38hagain, people send me email :)18:30
* RST38h is more interested in data rates than voice rates18:30
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RST38h(and EU data rates suck moose balls =()18:31
* ioeee-N900 se despide de todos y cierra o/18:31
jaskatyrannousaur testicles18:31
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TriztRST38h; so you use open wlans?18:31
DocScrutinizerhmmm, 25EUR for 5GB/month here18:32
DocScrutinizerprepaid18:32
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Triztthats robbery when data is un-prioritized traffic18:33
DocScrutinizererrr, don't see the point. I get HSPA and even can do (SIP-)VoIP. It's not really different to the cost for a DSL18:35
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TriztDSL here don't have traffic limits, but data transfer for phonesubscriptions seems to have that (they limit your speed to silly if you use more)18:37
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DocScrutinizeryup, but 5GB is more than enough for me18:38
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Trizt5G thats what I would spend on a day18:39
DocScrutinizero.O18:39
RST38hTrizt: I use normal GPRS or wlan when available18:39
RST38hDocS: Except when you come to a country (let us say Greece or Lithuania) you cannot get this rate by just buying a ISM18:40
RST38hDocS: The rate you get is something like $12/MB18:41
MohammadAGwow, steep price <DocScrutinizer> hmmm, 25EUR for 5GB/month here18:41
MohammadAGand i thought IL was expensive18:41
* Stskeeps pokes the mbx driver guy18:41
RST38hDocS: which goes down to $1.50/MB after long negotiations18:42
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: yes, I know about these. Everybody using these rates is insane18:43
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SpeedEvilFor $12/M - I want the internet to be fully spell, and style corrected as I download it.18:44
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* Trizt would want free meals on top of that18:45
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* satmd pays 30€/m for 6mbit dsl with 3 disconnects/day18:46
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satmdso don't complain :<18:46
TriztI would complain if me was you18:46
* SpeedEvil pays $20/mo for 0.5mbit dsl with 2 disconnects/day18:47
* RST38h pays $14/mo for 100mbd ethernet18:47
SpeedEvilwell - it's 1.8 most of the time - but throttled due to the 0.5% of the time it's at 51218:48
* Trizt pays <€30/m for 30mibt and he can decide himslef when he wants to disconnect18:48
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uhsfme i can't afford any data in canada it's too expensive18:50
uhsfi only use cable at home and wifi at school18:50
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uhsfbtw, does anyone here know if rogers still offers a 100$ prepaid voice that is good for one year?18:59
GAN900Hey, at least it's not Comcast! :P18:59
RST38hhasn't comcast renamed itself?19:01
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Hukkawhat's this... I've gotten "sim registration failed" now twice today19:02
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Hukkaeach requiring a reboot to get network back19:02
GAN900RST38h, dunno, still says Comcast on the bill.19:03
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LuciusMarehello, what is [omap2_mcspi] ? It takes 25% of my cpu19:07
libbengoogle it =)19:07
libbenand u will find out probably19:07
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LuciusMaremeh.19:08
LuciusMarethanks19:08
SpeedEvilA nice annotated process list would be nice19:10
ifreqannotated? humm19:10
SpeedEvilwiki page - listing 'ps' output19:10
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SpeedEvilwith each line linking to an app-page19:11
ifreqah19:11
ifreqshouldnt be so hard actually19:12
ifreqjust need time and effort as always :)19:12
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GAN900I hate the iPhone touchscreen so much.19:16
kynkywhy ?19:17
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LuciusMareyes,why?19:20
RST38hBTW, there are still two cpu-load applets in the repos. Anyone knows which one is better?19:20
LuciusMareiirc, one is with screenshot and one without19:21
* cehteh uses 'top'19:21
LuciusMare:)19:21
cehtehand conky sometimes19:21
wazdRST38h: any news from Roman btw?19:21
kynkyhtop ftw19:22
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cehtehplain top19:22
RST38hwazd: No, I have been out of touch with him for a while19:22
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GAN900kynky, because it's freaking useless.19:22
cehtehtop -d30019:22
GAN900kynky, impossible to do anything requiring any precision.19:23
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kynkywell thats a problem with capacitive afaik, resistive better for precision (generally) , i do like the fact you dont need to apply any pressure on capacitive, but hae never used an iphone, i prefer resistive anyway atm19:24
cehtehthe n900 is really quite sensitive, you need little pressure but i prefer that over accidental inputs..19:26
RST38hIn N900 UI, there is pretty much no difference between click and slide19:27
cehtehnot to tell about the improved precision, glove and pen friendly19:27
RST38hIt is a freaking minefield: I accidentally click stuff in MicroB half the time19:27
cehtehrarely happens to me19:27
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cehtehwell the click could be little more explicit, maybe configureable19:28
cehtehas in distance, pressure (dunno how well pressure sensitivity works) and time19:28
redRST38h: same problem19:29
redmight be lack of pressure for me since im used to capacitive19:29
redbut damn annoying19:30
redid prefer having to click links twice19:30
wazd\19:30
RST38hred: The guy who made MediaBox solved this by providing buttons to click19:31
RST38hanything outside these buttons lets you scroll19:31
redim using mediabox19:31
redi get alot of accidentals in it too19:31
redis it a setting that has come via updates?19:31
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doubleukay-1RST38h: hey, I isntalled cpumem-applet. didn't really find it useful, it shows 3 blocks in the status area (where the battery and network icons go). so it's only visible when you are on the dashboard, which is to say, hardly useful at all. besides, it updates too slowly.19:36
SpeedEvilI find it very useful19:37
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doubleukay-1personally I prefer firing up conky/top/top-over-ssh when I need it19:38
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RST38hdoublekay: I see =(19:40
RST38hthen the second one is the one to use19:40
doubleukaywhat is it called?19:41
RST38hosso-cpu-load I think19:41
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doubleukayhm I don't have it here. what repository is it in?19:41
joejoeit is possible to set jabber status according to essid of access point on which i am connected?19:43
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Lumpio-Of course it's possible.19:45
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joejoeLumpio-, i mean is there any checkbox in configuration to do this automatically?19:50
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* RST38h manages to boot ZX Format on Speccy19:50
Lumpio-That, I'm not aware of.19:50
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doubleukayhm do you guys use anything for music syncing? mine's in a regular directory structure (i.e. not itunes or anything)19:55
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doubleukaya lot of the music's in flac, so something that automatically transcodes them before putting them onto the n900 would be good19:55
tank-manif you have the space for flac files, why not flac+mp319:59
RST38hNo flac decoder in Maemo5?20:00
doubleukayI'm sure there is, but I have more GBs of music than I have storage on the n90020:00
SpeedEvildoubleukay: All legally purchased?20:00
doubleukayI neither confirm nor deny anything ;)20:01
pekujaare you really going to be able to tell the difference with a portable player?20:01
DocScrutinizersure there's a flac decoder20:01
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derffind . -name \*.flac -exec 'oggenc -q4.99' should do fine.20:01
derfErr, 'oggenc -q4.99 {};', I mean.20:02
doubleukaymight just end up doing something like that as a last resort20:03
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RST38hpekuja: yes20:05
RST38hpekuja: hint: start with percussion20:05
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MohammadAG_does anyone see the problem where you can't paste in xchat?20:05
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cpasjustehi20:06
doubleukaypekuja: I wouldn't be able to, for a reasonably-encoded file, listened in portable situations.20:06
cpasjustecould someone help me with my first application (wesnoth) for the n900 ? impossible to correctly execute it from the application menu ... it's totally silly20:07
cpasjustemy sdl application is not launching from application menu. I added (i think) correct .desktop, the exec path is right, the application launch correctly from terminal under the "user" account20:07
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cpasjustei did replace my binary ( exec ) with a script that echo to a file, and nothing is echo"ed" so i guess the script isnt executed at all when launching my application from the application menu20:07
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MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer / DocScrutinizer51 u there mate?20:23
DocScrutinizeryup20:23
DocScrutinizerwazzup?20:23
MohammadAG_nm mate, just helping someone set their N900 up20:24
MohammadAG_and I gave him your method for xchat notifications20:24
MohammadAG_it's just not working for him20:24
DocScrutinizeraah :-)20:24
DocScrutinizerohh :-/20:24
MohammadAG_<Bash> " is badly formedtem "20:24
MohammadAG_<Bash> ' leep: invalid number ' 1020:24
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MohammadAG_sh notify.sh outputs that20:24
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MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, http://i49.tinypic.com/of9c7n.png20:25
DocScrutinizermissing shebang?20:26
MohammadAG_shewhat?20:26
MohammadAG_http://pastebin.com/d1476f7d420:27
MohammadAG_oh the #!20:27
MohammadAG_it's there20:27
DocScrutinizer^M vs ^R issue? (edited file on dos or mac?)20:29
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MohammadAG_no, he downloaded it off pastebin20:29
DocScrutinizerpastebin has unwanted linebrakes20:30
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DocScrutinizerit seems20:30
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DocScrutinizeri suggest ls -l ./notify.sh; file ./notify.sh (if that exists); and check for the linebreaks in the dbus lines20:33
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maromaderhi20:34
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DocScrutinizerthe output from http://i49.tinypic.com/of9c7n.png is really weird20:34
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MohammadAG_it made me <MohammadAG_> o.O too DocScrutinizer :P20:37
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG_: please advice Bash to do "ls -l ./n*" and "cat ./notify.sh"20:39
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DocScrutinizerahh, plus "id" please20:40
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cehtehmhm found a way to disable blinking after the user responds20:46
* cehteh was thinking about making a xchat plugin for notifications20:47
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* N900evil is playing with xchat keymaps20:47
cehtehah keymaps .. have to setup emacs ...20:47
maromaderany fallout fans around?20:48
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SpeedEvilhttp://www.mauve.plus.com/keybindings.conf - shift-blue-0-9 = chan 9-020:49
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SpeedEvilshift-zoom move a tab up and down in the list. shift up-down go to nex/prev tab. shift-left goes 'back' - well reconnects to server. shift-right completes a nick20:50
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DocScrutinizershift-l/r is mapped to highlight by default. I don't like to lose that20:51
SpeedEvilhighlight?20:53
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DocScrutinizermark text20:56
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DocScrutinizerctrl-l/r is jump word20:57
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MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, http://pastebin.com/m33ae300f20:57
SpeedEvilah20:57
DocScrutinizerall highly convenient20:57
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MohammadAG_root is the root of all problems there eh?20:57
SpeedEvilI diddn't have a problem selecting text with fingers20:57
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG_: seems so20:58
MohammadAG_chown?20:59
DocScrutinizeryup20:59
DocScrutinizerthen exit !!20:59
DocScrutinizerusing root account for no good reason is silly and deprecated21:00
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MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, how can he change the group?21:02
MohammadAG_it's 1 user (user) root (group_21:02
MohammadAG_)*21:02
DocScrutinizerchown [OPTION]... [OWNER][:[GROUP]] FILE...21:03
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MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, same problem21:08
DocScrutinizerweird21:09
MohammadAG_<Bash> ./notify.sh: not found21:09
DocScrutinizerI don't even get the nature of this problem21:09
MohammadAG_<MohammadAG_> sh notify.sh21:09
MohammadAG_<Bash> method return sender =:1.8 -> dest=:1.510 reply_serial=221:09
MohammadAG_<Bash> 'leep: invalid number '1021:09
MohammadAG_oh wait21:10
MohammadAG_'leep should be sleep21:10
DocScrutinizeryep21:10
MohammadAG_why is it 'leep21:10
DocScrutinizerit's croppled fubar. I guess a non-prinatbe error reply of dbus-send causing that21:10
DocScrutinizernon-printable21:11
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DocScrutinizeryou should insert a "echo -n A; sleep 1;echo x" for 1. and then every second line21:14
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satmdI wonder if there's a way to make the phone software prefer sip over cellular21:20
satmdthe wiki didn't tell me or I use the wrong terms to seatch21:20
satmd*search21:20
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG_: or a 'set -v -x' as first line21:22
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG_: I really doubt that notify.sh is wellformed21:23
MohammadAGI gave him my file21:24
MohammadAGoh wait, I made another one21:24
MohammadAGI'll upload him my own file, seeing as mine works fine21:25
DocScrutinizerI suggest you avoid c&p from pastebin21:25
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, uploiading it to my RS21:27
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MohammadAGso the file should stay the same21:27
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HukkaHeh, Philip Van Hoof must be a relative of Zumba (he posted on planet maemo :)21:32
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, my file worked :)21:37
* MohammadAG looks for a pastebin alternative21:38
n1c0hello, is it possible to export wireless key from n900 to computer?21:39
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MrGoose1MohammadAG: take a screenshot and use imagehost21:40
MrGoose1:P21:40
MohammadAGand for copy and paste? :p21:41
WolfieMohammadAG: gist.github.com?21:41
MrGoose1you didnt ask for that21:42
MohammadAGwell pastebin supports c&p, and so should an alternative21:44
MohammadAGI'd rather upload files now21:44
MohammadAGseeing as pastebin and other sites add text21:44
smaug___is there some easy way to cause M900 to beep?21:46
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smaug___in some perl script or something21:46
smaug___hmm, does perl run on N90021:46
smaug___if not that, perhaps python21:46
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* smaug___ would like to get notified when some specific kind of email arrives21:47
smaug___timeless: you might know21:48
Markus23smaug___: just play an beep sound?21:52
Markus23smaug___: perl and python is available21:52
Markus23but perl modules are somewhat stripped down21:52
smaug___I think I'd want to check some IMAP email subjects21:53
smaug___and beep if I find something interesting21:53
smaug___(in this case something like : tinderbox is burning: fix it!)21:54
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Markus23your questions are very confusing and seem unrelated21:54
doubleukaysmaug___: not sure if it helps, but there's - usage: play-sound <sound file>21:55
smaug___the question is about beep21:55
smaug___ah, play-sound sounds good21:56
MohammadAGbut...21:56
MohammadAGit bypasses the volume control21:56
smaug___even better21:56
smaug___I want something which wakes me up21:57
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MohammadAGlol22:00
MohammadAGmake sure you don't have the headset on then :p22:00
doubleukaythat's a good point22:01
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henkie-Hi, is there a simple way to associate a shell script with a mimetype (for using in the browser)22:17
henkie-creating a desktop entry with the associated mimetype didnt work for me22:17
henkie-it says the filetype is not supported22:18
henkie-using maemo522:18
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MohammadAG*facepalm* http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=514797#post51479722:25
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fralsany ideas on how to get what item is "selected" when using a GtkTreeView with gtk.HILDON_UI_MODE_NORMAL and a callback on tap-and-hold signal? as the ui mode disableas real selections im going crazy trying to figure out what item the menu options should be associated with22:36
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MohammadAGwho's an irc oper?22:40
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles?22:40
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MohammadAGGuest17851, seems to be a spam bot22:41
realitygapshey guys, anyone successfully managed to reconnect the usb port after it fell out of their device?22:42
realitygapsor is it not even worth trying22:42
cehtehrealitygaps: no22:43
MohammadAGthe port falls out?22:43
henkie-where can i get dbus-switchboard for the n900? I found a package, but wouldnt install because of a missing "maemo-select-menu-location"22:43
cehtehsend it in for replacement22:43
realitygapspreproduction model so....22:43
realitygapsbut i dont think i'd buy n900 again if this isnt confirmed fixed22:43
cehtehit prolly damaged the pcb as well22:43
MohammadAGwhy do you have it then22:43
realitygapsMohammadAG: ?22:44
realitygapscehteh: yep some of the pcb came out (tiny bits)22:44
* cehteh grinded the charger clamps down22:44
MohammadAGwhy do you have the preproduction metal?22:44
cehtehat least the charger plugs easily now22:44
realitygapsMohammadAG: i was at the amsterdam summit22:44
MohammadAGoh i thought you had to return them22:44
cehtehrealitygaps: it quite certainly damaged the copper connections on the pcb too22:44
realitygapsMohammadAG: not yet, in april22:45
MohammadAGin january22:45
cehtehlet it be fixed by nokia/get replacement22:45
MohammadAGoh jj22:45
realitygapscehteh: likely... i dont think theyd replace a summit model22:45
MohammadAGkk*22:45
cehtehyou may try22:45
realitygapsloads and loads of n900s at fosdem this weekend :)22:45
cehtehif not you can try by yourself22:45
MohammadAGjust kline Guest17851 already22:46
cehtehbut otherwise around, trying to fix by yourself would quite certain void any warranty if there is one22:46
MohammadAGkeeps spamming via pm22:46
Stskeepsrealitygaps: good - more freerunners or more n900s?22:46
realitygapscehteh: no warranty on preproduction (or on developer discount models as far as i remember)22:46
realitygapsStskeeps: i noticed more n900's but lots of iphones too22:46
cehtehwell maybe they still would do that as voluntary support22:46
cehtehwhy do you ask anyways if you dont care22:47
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realitygapscehteh: its possible. honestly i dont mind but im just wary to buy one if the same will happen22:47
cehtehdunno what kind of pcb the n900 has but multilayer boards are almost unfixable22:47
cehtehiirc thats not 'properly' fixed as in using a non surface mounted connector22:48
realitygapscehteh: thanks for the info. I do care very much, the n900 is one of my favourite things ever22:48
cehtehmaybe they improved the production to make it bit better but there are still reports and they exchange it on sold devices22:49
MohammadAGmine's pretty sturdy22:49
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cehtehuntil it breaks22:49
MohammadAGhasn't moved on the inside (yet&22:49
realitygapsexactly.. mine was sturdy up until the end22:49
MohammadAG)*22:49
cehtehthe soldering comes off, means its hard and then suddenly falls off22:49
* MohammadAG gulps22:50
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cehtehhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37107&page=1322:51
realitygapscehteh: thx22:51
shamusmaby they cut cost by not soderign all the conectiosn securely?22:52
cehtehi doubt it replacing costs more :P22:52
cehtehbut they cut costy by not using a connector which crimps on the pcb22:53
shamusok shoty conector deisne?22:53
cehtehmeans they designed the pcb not to have any holes not requireing holes22:53
cehtehthat saves a whole manufacturing step and a lot costs22:54
cehtehhttp://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com/2009/12/13/connecting-on-the-surface-an-n900-risk/22:54
GAN900Jaffa, ping?22:58
GAN900Jaffa, date format as dd Month yyyy?22:58
MohammadAGUPDATE: Nokia reports that the problem was fixed for production devices.  I do not know details22:59
MohammadAGreassuring22:59
* MohammadAG gulps again22:59
MohammadAGmy query assy isn't sturdy :/22:59
realitygapsMohammadAG: not reassuring as people with production modules are having the same issues23:00
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realitygapsbut possibly only early production models23:00
realitygapsits still unclear23:00
MohammadAGthinking about buying a replacement for 7 euros23:00
MohammadAGmine's a late december one23:00
MohammadAGhw revision 210123:00
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MohammadAG:/23:02
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doubleukaythat chair snagging has broken my nokia charger (the small pin type) too many times to count23:03
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newbie005hi, I'm trying to ssh from my n900 to a desktop which would act as the server, I can ping both ways but get a "no route to host" from the "ssh user@192.." command on the phone23:10
kynkycould be lots of things , check logs on server ?23:11
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doubleukaycan you confirm with a "netstat -lnt" on the phone that ssh is running?23:11
newbie005kynky: thanks I'll try it23:11
newbie005doublekey: i et a single entry tcp 0 127.0.0.1:53 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN23:13
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henkie-is there an easy way for starting a custom script when clicking on a link with an associated mime-type? (using N900)23:13
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doubleukaynewbie005: if ssh is running you should also see a - tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:22              0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN23:14
doubleukay(note the 0.0.0.0:22)23:14
doubleukayperhaps you can check why it didn't start?23:14
doubleukayor reboot :)23:14
newbie005I did change it to 222223:14
doubleukayah I see23:14
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newbie005on the server I do see a 2222 actually 2 one in a 0.0.0.0 format and the other in :::2222 format23:15
kynkyso you can connect to ssh from box it served on ?23:15
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kynkyssh -p 2222 user@localhost23:16
newbie005kynky: do you mean ssh from the desktop to the desktop ?23:16
uhsfi just received the first call on my n900!23:16
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ljp was it spam?23:16
doubleukaysorry, I misunderstood that you wanted to ssh to the phone.23:16
uhsfit was my mother!23:16
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kynkyssh from phone to desktop23:17
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kynkybut check you can do it from desktop to itself first23:17
newbie005I can do it from the desktop to the desktop,, actually I get a security error about not having the public key file23:18
uhsfi tested my shure music phone adapter connected with my etymotics er-4 earphones and it works great23:18
Proteousjust figured out that the n900 remember different volume settings for headphone vs internal speakers23:18
newbie005could it be a firewall thing with the router?23:18
Proteousjust love the little things that are well thought out23:18
doubleukaynewbie005: got another device to test it with?23:19
doubleukayfailing which, if you undertand tcpdump's output try running it on the desktop to confirm if it's seeing a SYN to its port 2222 from the phoen23:19
kynkyshouldnt be a firewll thing on router as you no crossing nets, it could be your iptables if you got that setup , allow.hosts in /etc , the listenon address in sshd.conf23:20
newbie005doublekay: my only other computer is some windows 7 that hasn't been formatted yet23:20
newbie005meaning it's not yet running fedora23:20
kynkytry putty from win723:20
doubleukaydon't think it's hosts.allow, as that blocks above the tcp stack23:20
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kynkywhich ssh client u install on n900 ?23:21
kynkyopenssh or dropbear ?23:21
yuizyopenssh23:21
keesj_openssh23:21
newbie005kynky: not sure, I think it was an apt-get install ssh-client23:21
kynkyi only tried openssh. it works for me23:21
JaffaGAN900: As default; but I tried to be locale sensitive (e.g. for the PUSH N900 US stuff)23:22
kynkyusing apt-get isnt wise i thought23:22
newbie005is there a command to disable the firewall on the desktop?23:22
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newbie005kynky: how come?23:22
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kynkyiptables -F (as root) (but only do if you know what your doing)23:22
newbie005I definatly do not know what i'm doing23:23
doubleukaynewbie005: if you're sure about it, iptables -F; iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT23:23
kynkynewbie005, you should really use the inbuilt package manager23:23
kynkythe gui one, reduces problems23:23
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newbie005there is a service I can stop.. I'll try that23:23
kynkyenable add repositories, but be careful which reposotories you add, some are dangerous23:24
newbie005I'm not going to touch the test or dev repos23:24
newbie005ok that worked23:24
newbie005I did a service iptables stop on the desktop and then I could get a security error on the phone23:25
kynkylooks like you need to permanantly add a rule then23:25
newbie005kynky: any idea of how to do that23:25
kynkydepends on how its configured23:25
doubleukayknowing your distro will be a good start..23:26
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newbie005I'll see what I can find out23:26
newbie005thanks!!23:26
doubleukay:)23:26
kynkycould be as simple as an iptables-restore from an rc.local script, but depends on your distro23:26
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kynkygood thing your box isnt directly connected to internet, as iptables -F , coulda made things insecure , but good you running sshd on a non default port23:27
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newbie005it was an iptables rule, I'm now getting a security error! woo hoo!23:34
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Arif_damn you TNT, why don't you deliver packages on Sundays ;(23:36
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newbie005I'm dealing with an ssh Permission denied error. I setup a public / private key file. In googling the error it was suggested that I check the permissions of thoes files. However on the phone I'm not seeing a ~/.ssh directory23:49
doubleukayhow did you generate the public/private keys?23:51
Vanadisanybody installed openarene from devel?23:51
Vanadis*arena23:51
newbie005doublekay: I dont quite remember,, I'll look it up. I had originaly set this up a month ago and I'm just coming back to it23:51
kynkyVanadis, yep23:52
newbie005doublekay: I did a ssh-keygen -t rsa23:52
doubleukayon the phone?23:52
Vanadiskynky, any comments? is the Phone fast enough?23:53
Damion2is nowave7 somebody on here?23:53
kynkywhen you install ssh server it should generat key afaik, then on client it should accept public key and store in authorised_keys file23:53
newbie005doublekay: no on the server23:53
doubleukaynewbie005: aha. what do you want to do? ssh from the phone, to the desktop which is the ssh server?23:54
kynkyVanadis, yep it fast enough, plays q3 better though, because of better textures23:54
Vanadisokay23:54
doubleukayq3 on the n900? no way :P23:54
newbie005doublekay: yes23:54
doubleukaylemme check that out23:54
doubleukaynewbie005: in that case you'd wanna run ssh-keygen on the *phone* :)23:55
Vanadisi played q3 on my old N9523:55
newbie005doublekay: ah ok thanks23:55
kynkyn900 got more horses23:55
doubleukayyou can use ssh-copy-id to transfer the key to your computer.. it's kinda convenient23:55
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newbie005doublekay: can I do this as non-root?23:55
doubleukayVanadis: ah ok. evidently I've been out of touch with phone capabilities :(23:55
doubleukayyes23:56
Vanadiswell i give q3 and openarena a try23:56
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zerojayMy friend came over and complained that I didn't have cable so we could watch the Superbowl.23:57
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zerojay5 minutes later, I'm streaming it from justin.tv to my 40" TV with my N900 and the video out cable.23:57
zerojayHe's in love.23:57
SpeedEvilhttp://animal.discovery.com/tv/puppy-bowl/about.html23:57
SpeedEvil:)23:57
kynkyzerojay, is the image darker than it should be ?23:58
simoneb_any pointer on how to make a transparent widget with gtk?23:58
zerojayKind of blows my mind even that my phone can stream it better than my PS3 can.23:58
zerojaykynky: Maybe a little, but I just adjust my brightness on the TV a little bit.23:58
kynkyi tried video out (pal), was a little dark23:59
zerojayYeah, it is a little dark, but I'm not sure if it's just the stream or what.23:59
N900evilthere are so many   'oh - it shlould just work moments'.23:59

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