IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2010-02-07

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Quibus	good night	00:02
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Vanadis	N900evil, me too (played the last two days without a break -.-)	00:02
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DocScrutinizer51	openntpd there	00:04
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DocScrutinizer51	ntpd not exactly what I'm looking for though	00:06
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dracflamloc	woot	00:11
DocScrutinizer51	lease someone help out a dpkg noob on how to list all the pkgs and files in them - to grep or sth	00:11
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ShadowJK	if it's installed, dpkg -L package lists all files owned by that package	00:12
* ShadowJK is dpkg noob too tho :/		00:12
parolang	Is the difference between the N810 and N900 basically cell phone capability?	00:15
DocScrutinizer51	and any idea what,s the magic incantation to start/stop/query services on that fake-upstart system?	00:16
DocScrutinizer51	parolang: basically yes	00:16
ShadowJK	parolang: twice the RAM, twice the CPU power, 3D accel	00:16
ShadowJK	bigger screene on N810	00:16
DocScrutinizer51	same resolution though	00:17
DocScrutinizer51	800x480	00:17
ShadowJK	ya	00:17
uhsf	what dpi does that make?	00:17
dracflamloc	im liking mine :)	00:17
DocScrutinizer51	forsome weird reason the N8x0 screen feels three times as large to me	00:18
parolang	ShadowJK, DocScrutinizer51: Hmm, okay. Just that right now the N900 is a couple of hundred dollars more expensive, and I don't need the phone capability.	00:18
parolang	Oh...810 has a bigger screen? Hmm.	00:18
ShadowJK	4.1" vs 3.5"	00:18
mavhc	n900 is 40% more expensive than n810 at launch	00:19
DocScrutinizer51	parolang: then N810 is the device for you	00:19
parolang	Can you still use the newer software on the N810, or is the software dead?	00:19
DocScrutinizer51	I love my N810	00:19
parolang	DocScrutinizer51: Yeah, thinking about it :)	00:19
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mavhc	it's kinda dead it seems	00:19
ShadowJK	It's dead	00:19
parolang	:(	00:19
mavhc	as dead as open source software can be	00:19
mavhc	how's Mer going?	00:19
ShadowJK	mer on N8x0 is a bit too slow to be usable right now	00:20
parolang	If I buy a N900...what's to say the software won't die when Nokia releases a new model?	00:20
redeeman	it definitely will	00:20
parolang	:(	00:21
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DocScrutinizer51	we got promise Maemo4 (810) will see gfx upgrade eventually though	00:21
DocScrutinizer51	iirc	00:21
dracflamloc	they had better not abandon the n900	00:22
ShadowJK	The drivers are a bit not usable right now afaik :-)	00:22
parolang	Can you use standard gnu/linux apps on it, or do you need ports?	00:22
LuciusMare	hi, when i leave my tablet alone for a while or so, wifi fails - it still looks like connected, but no packets going either way, when i leave it idling at irc, or use the wifi other way, it is fine	00:22
DocScrutinizer51	what basically would mean we see maemo5 on old devices eventually	00:22
ShadowJK	easy-debian-chroot lets you run anything in debian, more or less	00:22
mavhc	n810 is quite cheap now though, is there anything of the same kind that's more powerful? ie no phone	00:22
parolang	ShadowJK: thanks	00:23
uhsf	nokia n900 display is the exact same dpi as my sony vaio ux. ~256dpi.	00:23
parolang	http://www.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=4186641 is offering N810 for $285 :)	00:23
parolang	I can't find an N900 for anywhere near that.	00:23
parolang	Okay...one more question. How difficult is it to write your own apps/scripts for it?	00:24
DocScrutinizer51	LuciusMare: tweak powersavings mode	00:24
ShadowJK	heh, N810 was retailing at around 220 before N900 was released	00:24
jebba	#!/bin/sh	00:24
jebba	echo foo	00:24
jebba	# done	00:24
parolang	jebba: What about the touch screen interface?	00:25
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DocScrutinizer51	gtk	00:25
jebba	what he said	00:25
jebba	or qt of course	00:25
parolang	DocScrutinizer51: It's just standard GTK widgets and finger taps are mouse clicks?	00:25
jebba	y	00:26
DocScrutinizer51	yep	00:26
parolang	Okay, thanks for answering. I'll still think about it :)	00:26
DocScrutinizer51	cool eh? ;-)	00:26
parolang	DocScrutinizer51: yeah :)	00:26
ShadowJK	not exactly standard, but...	00:27
parolang	That's basically what has prevented me from buying any sort of smartphone...no ability to write your own programs. Completely misses the point, IMHO.	00:27
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ShadowJK	well you can even write your own programs for "dumbphones" these days :-)	00:29
ShadowJK	since almost everything does j2me these days... except the ultra low end and the ultra high end...	00:30
DocScrutinizer51	guess why ;-P	00:30
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parolang	ShadowJK: I think mine is ultra low end.	00:31
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DocScrutinizer51	as is FR X-D	00:31
parolang	FR?	00:32
DocScrutinizer51	nm	00:32
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ShadowJK	on the nokia smartphone range you've even got 3 choices... S60 C++ (you're bonkers), python s60 (you're almost bonkers), j2me :-)	00:32
DocScrutinizer51	wrong chan I guess	00:32
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Vanadis	is there anything i should know before installing easy-deb-chroot?	00:33
Vanadis	is it stable enough on N900?	00:33
DocScrutinizer51	is N900 stabe enouh for it?	00:34
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ShadowJK	N900 is awesome though, because there it's very similar to coding stuff for linux desktop :D	00:34
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raily	wow just installed xchat on n900. irc on my phone.. what times are we living in? nice	00:44
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jebba	heh	00:44
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parolang	Because typing is so much better than talking to someone :)	00:44
flux	parolang, it is, when you have 100+ people :)	00:45
* ShadowJK had irc on his phone in ~2005		00:45
parolang	flux: good point :)	00:45
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ptl	jebba: your nickname means the male organ in my language's slang.	00:45
raily	lol. especially who wants to idle in a telephone conference all day?	00:45
flux	I'm pretty sure people were ircing with 9210, released in 2000. I might have, don't remember :). but without packet data it's not a good deal..	00:46
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ShadowJK	Mine was a siemens cf-62, released 2004	00:47
jebba	ptl: you must be brazilian	00:47
raily	shadow, my e61 had irc 2 but wasnt so convenient as on n900	00:47
ShadowJK	j2me and gprs	00:47
jebba	but is pronounced different ;)	00:47
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ptl	jebba: I am	00:48
juhovh	j2me is a bit sucky	00:48
juhovh	but it does its job	00:48
juhovh	and I had irc on my phone in 2004 :P	00:48
raily	any advice for me to minimize irc traffic?	00:48
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juhovh	raily: nothing you can do except avoid busy channels	00:49
juhovh	or use some kind of bouncer that strips data, but I know nothing about that	00:49
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flux	I suppose you could (for example) use ssh to forward your IRC traffic (not terminal traffic) and compress it while doing so	00:50
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flux	but I don't think irc is going to take a lot of your bandwidth anyway	00:50
flux	in terms of megabytes	00:50
timeless	rally: use a screen session on a remote host	00:50
juhovh	compressing is usually just not worth it :P	00:50
timeless	and /ignore * CRAP	00:50
flux	but, hey, you could install a custom kernel and use iptables to count the numbers :)	00:50
ptl	the N900 has a FM transmitter and a FM receiver, right?	00:50
ptl	would it be too difficult to develop a 'walkie-talkie' app for it?	00:51
timeless	yes	00:51
flux	juhovh, well, it should be, for IRC-traffic, no?	00:51
timeless	ptl: very difficult	00:51
ptl	so two N900's could talk to each othere	00:51
ptl	why?	00:51
timeless	the range for transmitting is roughly inches	00:51
parolang	Oh...battery life on the N810? One retailer advertises 10 hours with wireless turned off. Is that realistic?	00:51
villager	ptl: the FM transmitter has a range of like 3 meters	00:51
juhovh	flux: as said, IRC traffic is very little	00:51
villager	or less	00:51
ptl	villager: oh...	00:51
juhovh	and using a screen session on a remote host is likely to take more bandwidth than local irc client	00:51
juhovh	even with the crap ignored	00:51
flux	juhovh, it could be more if you are one 20+ busy channels 24/7 :)	00:51
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juhovh	because every time there's a new line it will update a lot of stuff	00:51
raily	screen not really available for n900, isnt it?	00:52
juhovh	well, that's true	00:52
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flux	indeed, running irc over ssh on n900 is not a good option if your goal is to minimize traffic	00:52
juhovh	and with screen one can always change to some not busy window to save bandwidth	00:52
juhovh	that's a good thing	00:52
timeless	ptl: the radio band is regulated by FCC or equivalent	00:52
flux	(irc over ssh has other benefits, though)	00:53
timeless	and you aren't allowed to transmit w/ more power w/o a licence	00:53
flux	juhovh, or you could simply disconnect..	00:53
juhovh	exactly :P	00:53
juhovh	I'd go with an irc bouncer	00:53
juhovh	and disconnect when not used	00:53
Matthew-	http://www.snopes.com/love/dating/golddigger.asp	00:53
* timeless uses screen		00:53
juhovh	that's going to use very little bandwidth	00:53
timeless	it also works for when my mac can't connect via irc:	00:53
villager	ptl: it's only meant to transmit to a car radio or stereo next to it... you need some sort of official license to transmit longer than that, and since the N900 is a consumer device, it limits the range to that	00:53
timeless	(as is the case right now)	00:54
ptl	I could add the power boost hack to the walkie-talkie app	00:54
timeless	ptl: you want people to be arrested for violating FCC regs?	00:54
flux	actually I've found that running ssh+irc from my n900 eats its battery quite fast if infact I'm also attached the same session to a pc and I'm flipping windows	00:54
timeless	there was a tudent radio station @ UCLA which violated the broadcast output limits and it was converted to carrier vecause of that	00:55
flux	ptl, it is also likely that the hardware isn't very suitable for sending high-power FM	00:55
flux	ptl, however, why wouldn't you implement the walkie-talkie over wlan?	00:55
timeless	s/tud/stud/	00:55
infobot	timeless meant: there was a student radio station @ UCLA which violated the broadcast output limits and it was converted to carrier vecause of that	00:55
luke-jr	timeless: is Nokia refusing to provide the code needed for ptl to do what he wants?	00:55
flux	ptl, os was the point to use FM band..	00:55
ptl	flux: because there is not every place that has a vlan	00:56
ShadowJK	parolang, it all depends on what you're doing	00:56
ptl	and because where I work	00:56
ptl	we use LEAP	00:56
flux	ptl, you can have an ad-hoc wlan between the phones	00:56
ptl	and N900 does not support LEAP	00:56
ptl	oh	00:56
timeless	luke: step one: void your warranty by opening the device and inserting a much larger battery and longer antenna	00:56
ptl	hmm, indeed.	00:56
timeless	step two: get fcc approval	00:56
luke-jr	ptl: you could also in theory write your own driver to use the wlan chipset for your own custom data	00:56
ShadowJK	instead of fm radio/receiver f or walkie talkie... how about adhoc wlan...	00:56
timeless	step three: profit?	00:56
luke-jr	timeless: so Nokia isn't preventing it?	00:57
ptl	step three is ???, step four is profit	00:57
timeless	luke: the FCC is	00:57
Bash1	what format does the snes emulator use for roms?	00:57
flux	timeless, no, it's rather like: step 1) up the internal amplification parameter, and hope it doesn't fry your phone 2) don't get caught :)	00:57
ShadowJK	There's even a fm-boost thing in extras. heh.	00:57
flux	does skype work without connection to the intenet?	00:57
ifreq	how long does it takes after package has been build succesfully and it gets imported to extras-devel?	00:58
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flux	ie. would it work in a closed network such as a non-routed ad-hoc wlan	00:58
ShadowJK	flux: no	00:58
flux	bah. sucky p2p phone system then :)	00:58
luke-jr	timeless: as long as Nokia isn't playing FCC on their own, I don't care :P	00:58
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flux	maybe plain VOIP could work?	00:59
villager	skype is proprietary crap... sip is better	00:59
ptl	well, N900 has even some library called telepathy	00:59
flux	or does it need DNS?	00:59
timeless	other than only buying parts sufficient to do what we need approval for instead of top of the line for things we wouldn't get approval for...	00:59
flux	or other services	00:59
ptl	so it must be able to send a signal directly to the brain	00:59
luke-jr	flux: plain VoIP + IPv6 would probably work to a degree	00:59
V13	hasn't xmpp voice capability?	00:59
flux	ptl, I think they haven't yet implemented that module..	00:59
luke-jr	V13: XMPP requires a central server too	01:00
V13	there's link-local	01:00
V13	serverless	01:00
V13	(and it works)	01:00
ShadowJK	flux: btw, IRC on 3g is a real battery killer	01:00
flux	v13, is there an actual program that can take advantage of that?	01:00
V13	"that" /	01:00
V13	?	01:00
V13	well.. that's an interesting question.	01:00
flux	v13, of link-local serverless XMPP to transmit voice	01:00
V13	t.m.o. has a thread for google voice with video chat	01:01
V13	and afaik google talk is based on xmpp	01:01
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V13	so, it should be almost done	01:01
V13	but no idea	01:01
ptl	I'd like to know how I can press "enter" on the xterm for the emulated N900 environment (scratchbox) without having to press that annoying Ctrl button	01:01
zash	V13: s/based on//	01:01
V13	press the other enter	01:01
ptl	what do you mean, V13?	01:02
ptl	I have a laptop	01:02
V13	ptl: you press the keypad enter ?	01:02
V13	oh	01:02
ptl	I don't have a numeric-keypad-enter	01:02
zash	V13: gtalk is xmpp	01:02
V13	zash.. exactly	01:02
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V13	and n900's gtalk can do voice	01:02
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V13	(based on t.m.o)	01:02
V13	so xmpp local should probably be able to do voice too	01:02
V13	but that's only a guess	01:02
villager	ptl: telepathy is just a fancy name... it's an open source communications infrastructure, it can handle voip, telephony, sms, im, and things like that...	01:02
jebba	V13: can do voice fine @jabber to @jabber	01:03
jebba	or whatever random jabber/xmpp server, not just google	01:03
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DocScrutinizer	(walkietalkie) via BT-PAN you got better cards for that app	01:03
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ptl	villager: I know that, I was kidding	01:05
zash	jebba: voice won't work with random xmpp to gtalk?	01:05
ptl	walkie-talkie via bluetooth?	01:05
ptl	there's not enough bandwidht for that... isn't it?	01:05
jebba	zash: ya, that works too. all gtalk/xmpp/jabber variations i've seen work fine with talk.	01:06
timeless	ptl: bt can handle an audio call...	01:06
timeless	how else would you expect headphones to work?	01:06
villager	ptl: if you've got bt headsets, then surely there's enough... the range may be more of an issue	01:06
jebba	i did adhoc network + asterisk server on n900 for sort of infrastructure-free communication between n900s.	01:06
zash	jebba: cool	01:07
zash	jebba: it would be awesome to dump the carriers	01:07
DocScrutinizer	ptl: sure there is. or use adhoc-wlan as mentioned before	01:07
DocScrutinizer	actually with 100mW TX pwr you could see some 100m on free field	01:08
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jebba	si, is part of grand plan.	01:10
jebba	DocScrutinizer we got about 30M in the woods	01:11
jebba	line of site was pretty much key...	01:11
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DocScrutinizer	jebba: sounds about reasonable	01:11
ptl	DocScrutinizer: ok	01:12
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DocScrutinizer	jebba: though I guess it largely depends on holding the N900 in a way you don't obstruct the WLAN antenna	01:12
jebba	exactly.	01:12
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villager	would a headset boost the wlan antenna like it boosts the fm transmitter?	01:13
villager	(wired)	01:13
jebba	i dont think so, but i wish.	01:13
DocScrutinizer	villager: nope	01:13
MohammadAG	villager, it doesn't boost the fm transmitter	01:13
DocScrutinizer	freq of WLAN not suited for a headset cable for antenna	01:13
MohammadAG	the receiver yes, the transmitter, i doubt it	01:14
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: exactly, it's supposed to boost the RX only	01:14
villager	MohammadAG: why do you then think the buildin software turns down the fm transmitter when you connect a wired headset "in order to comply with regulations"?	01:14
MohammadAG	nope	01:14
DocScrutinizer	huh? never seen that	01:14
MohammadAG	cause it causes interference	01:14
DocScrutinizer	funny though	01:15
MohammadAG	plugin in a charger while using the TX	01:15
DocScrutinizer	I managed to create a nice feedvack over FM-TX -> RX XP	01:15
MohammadAG	although i think it's a sw bug	01:15
MohammadAG	(but the n97 does it do)	01:15
MohammadAG	then again the n97 is the flagship of bugs	01:15
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DocScrutinizer	btw plugin of headset says "route audio to AV receptacle". What use could FM-TX have when you don't feed audio to it?	01:16
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N900evil	beeping	01:17
DocScrutinizer	start TX. start FMreceiver, ignore "plug antenna" warning. Tune to same freq as TX -> voila: feedbak	01:19
DocScrutinizer	I guess with 2 N900 you create a pair if puppet house walkietalkies easily that way ;-P	01:20
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DocScrutinizer	aaaah forgot: "enable speaker in FMrcv"	01:21
ptl	is that in the configuration menus? Sorry, for now I am using just the emulated environment, my N900 still hasn't arrived, it's in the customs agency.	01:24
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DocScrutinizer	jebba: while talking: I really don't like the idea to use * for a p2p-sip connection. How would you enter "SIP:clientA@192.186.1.20" to dialer, for connection type SIP-VOIP?	01:29
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jebba	no clue	01:32
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DocScrutinizer	haaahhh :-))	01:36
Damion2	uhsf: ah, good for you. the ifconfig usb0 51.0.0.9 up and route add default gw 51.0.0.10 would do	01:36
DocScrutinizer	switch connection type to voip in dialer keypad, and fine you are	01:36
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Damion2	irc on a mobile was ~1997 when the 9000 came out	01:36
Damion2	although I didn't get to use the work pool one until Jan 1998	01:37
ptl	what's 'the 9000'?	01:38
ptl	I used irc on a PDA in 1999	01:38
Damion2	The Nokia 9000 their 1st communicatof	01:40
Damion2	r	01:40
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ptl	ah	01:43
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ptl	I've seen that one... and I had a sort-of compatible device, the nokia 7710	01:43
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Damion2	compatible?	01:46
Damion2	the following 9110 was a wonderful device	01:46
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Damion2	7710 was 2004	01:48
ptl	I just meant that I was able to run some apps made for the N9000 on my N7710.	01:50
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ptl	N9000 used Symboan S80, N7710 Symbian S90	01:51
ptl	*Symbian	01:51
villager	I don't think 9000 used Symbian	01:51
ptl	isn't it the nokia communicator?	01:51
villager	it was GEOS, not Symbian	01:51
villager	yes, communicator	01:52
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ptl	I confused things	01:52
ptl	with Nokia 9300 and 9500	01:52
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ptl	according to wikipedia it was first Nokia 9000, then 9110, then they changed to Symbian with 9210, then it was 9300 and 9500	01:53
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DocScrutinizer	darn, "new voip-account / SIP" isn't very clear on how to set it up for direct-p2p SIP, i.e. using it without registrar	01:54
Bash1	what format does the snes emulator use for roms?	01:54
Damion2	ptl: yes, so 9000 didn't do symbian stuff	01:55
Damion2	it had an intel compatible cpu, could run command.com	01:55
uhsf	Damion2: i noted these from late reply just in case libicd-network-null was broken somehow	01:56
Damion2	and 9300 was recently so 9210 s/ware must have been able to run on the 7710	01:56
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ptl	good times. And the Nokia 7710 even had flash. (iPad hasn't)	02:01
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Andy80	hi	02:12
ifreq	lo	02:13
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Andy80	yes, we really need am hildonized xchat :)	02:14
SpeedEvil	That woudl be nice.	02:15
SpeedEvil	Plz do.	02:15
zerojay	What are you waiting for? Get to work. ;)	02:15
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SpeedEvil	If you succeed, I will buy you a GPS upgrade kit!	02:18
Andy80	lol :p	02:18
SpeedEvil	http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2876	02:18
Andy80	I'm not so skilled with gtk ui	02:19
DocScrutinizer	what's "hildonized xchat" please?	02:19
SpeedEvil	presumably one that scrolls nicely	02:20
SpeedEvil	some of the menus are less insane to use	02:20
SpeedEvil	...	02:20
DocScrutinizer	[2010-02-06 14:07:33] <DocScrutinizer51> RST38h: big master of xchat mods, how about less crome to shrink the input textfield (almost 2 lines hight now), removing the dangerous chantab close [X}, and ##make scrollbutton hotarea MUUUCH LARGER## ? Earn further eternal merits :-)	02:20
DocScrutinizer	would suffice for me, for now	02:20
SpeedEvil	yeah	02:21
SpeedEvil	chantab close?	02:22
SpeedEvil	smaller input area would be good.	02:22
DocScrutinizer	I have channel-tree o n left side. n left lower there's a "[X]" to close the current chan subwin	02:23
SpeedEvil	you can turn that off	02:23
SpeedEvil	it's in prefs	02:23
DocScrutinizer	how?	02:23
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SpeedEvil	vi ~/.xc...	02:23
DocScrutinizer	lol	02:23
SpeedEvil	I also want what pidgin can do.	02:23
DocScrutinizer	I want waht pidgin can't do	02:24
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DocScrutinizer	pidgin is abyssmal crap. what is it, it can do and xchat can't?	02:25
SpeedEvil	http://www.mauve.plus.com/pidgin.gif	02:25
SpeedEvil	aliased channel names with short names	02:26
DocScrutinizer	k	02:26
DocScrutinizer	any searchstring for mod-o-fy .../xchat.conf?	02:28
SpeedEvil	hango	02:28
DocScrutinizer	I mean, that's 175 lines	02:28
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SpeedEvil	gui_quit_dialog?	02:29
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SpeedEvil	set to 0 here	02:29
DocScrutinizer	doesn't sound quite right, anyway I'll give it a try	02:30
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* parolang <-- ERC FTW :)		02:33
DocScrutinizer	what I suspected. That is for quit-app-query "do you really want to leave?"	02:33
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SpeedEvil	Sorry.	02:34
SpeedEvil	It's a side-effect of picking 'tree mode' channel list	02:35
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SpeedEvil	(which I find takes up - with channels shortened to 4 chars - less room)	02:35
DocScrutinizer	the [X] ?	02:35
SpeedEvil	The [X] dissapearing	02:35
SpeedEvil	tree mode has no such button	02:35
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DocScrutinizer	hmm when I tested it there was something odd with it - can't remember what though	02:36
SpeedEvil	wfm	02:36
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DocScrutinizer	hmm I guess it's been the "#maemo" vs "#maemo-devel", and "#openmoko" vs "#openmoko-cdevel" wich makes me grant it more space than the centered can-name text in tabs list	02:40
DocScrutinizer	so yes, chan aliases are really useful I guess	02:40
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DocScrutinizer51	still I think I'll learn to love it, when the previous tablist with (X) is the alternative	02:43
SpeedEvil	hildon has some breakages in some cases	02:44
SpeedEvil	forex fbreader	02:44
SpeedEvil	you can't use the device inverted in portrait mode sanely	02:44
SpeedEvil	as the 'popup menu' appears in the top-left corner when you pagedown - which is somewhat annoyinhg	02:45
DocScrutinizer	errr?	02:45
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SpeedEvil	inverted portrait - when you want the USB charging cable going down	02:46
DocScrutinizer	with xchat?	02:46
SpeedEvil	no	02:46
SpeedEvil	with fbreader	02:46
SpeedEvil	sorry	02:46
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ifreq	what does n900 use as sound device?	02:48
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ShadowJK	what do you mean with that question	02:48
DocScrutinizer	on lowest level: alsa	02:48
ifreq	/dev/xxx	02:48
DocScrutinizer	ifreq: you're sure about that?	02:48
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ifreq	okay. i still cant figure out my problem. built an app (mp3blaster) it works with the deb i built. doesnt work when its build with garage	02:49
ifreq	so im quite puzzled atm :(	02:49
ShadowJK	build-dep on pulse-dev libalsa-dev and stuff?	02:49
ShadowJK	whatever the real names are	02:50
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DocScrutinizer	ifreq: I don't think there is (or if there actually is then whether you should use) /dev/dsp alike OSS soundsystem emu	02:50
ifreq	hmm ok will look into them	02:50
ifreq	yeah	02:50
ifreq	just strange it builds locally OK package but via garage .. yeah it prob misses something	02:51
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ShadowJK	The autobuilder basically doesn't give you anything installed by default	02:51
ifreq	ah	02:51
SpeedEvil	Okaaaay.	02:51
ifreq	bbl then. need to fix stuff	02:51
trem	nite all, sweet dreams	02:51
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SpeedEvil	First unmap original function of ctrl-q before trying to add new.	02:51
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DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: seems your topics are a little jumpy, no? :-)	02:52
DocScrutinizer	Or I'm below par on keeping up with your thoughts today	02:53
SpeedEvil	see above quit	02:53
SpeedEvil	I was trying to map complete nick to ctrl-q	02:53
* ShadowJK has it mapped to shift-space in xchat		02:54
DocScrutinizer	no quit here. maybe caused by "filter join/quit msgs"?	02:54
SpeedEvil	yeah	02:54
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DocScrutinizer	so it's not me :-) pfffeww	02:55
DocScrutinizer	reminds me to remap nick completion to the unused shift-space	02:56
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satmd\|n900	finally. :)	02:59
ptl	envious	03:00
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satmd	why?	03:00
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ptl	because my n900 is still not here	03:01
ptl	I only have the emulated scratchbox environment.	03:01
ptl	two weeks and a half since I bought it	03:02
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ShadowJK	perpetually out of stock :(	03:02
DocScrutinizer	k, bat @ 28% after 6h of UMTS & IRC	03:02
ptl	3 or 4 days to get to my country	03:02
ptl	not because it's out of stock	03:02
ptl	the rest of time in the customes agency	03:02
Arkenoi	i get constant problems with mouse click from flash	03:03
Arkenoi	most of the time it just does not work at all	03:03
ShadowJK	DocScrutinizer, how many chans/active is that?	03:03
DocScrutinizer	. /whois DocScrutinizer51	03:04
dracflamloc	ptl: i just got mine yesterday, im loving it	03:04
ptl	aaaaaah :(	03:04
DocScrutinizer	[2010-02-07 02:03:49] [Whois] DocScrutinizer51 hat Benutzerstatus in den Kanälen: #gta02-core #maemo #maemo-devel #neo1973-germany #openmoko #openmoko-cdevel	03:04
ptl	I'm anxious as hell	03:04
dracflamloc	i bet	03:05
dracflamloc	i was too	03:05
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ShadowJK	DocScrutinizer, odd, it showed me maemo and mer only :P	03:05
* Arkenoi tried to play tower defence and could not build any towers :-(		03:06
ShadowJK	probably only chans we're both in.	03:06
DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: hmm, might relate to some chan set "invisible" or somesuch	03:06
ShadowJK	i suspect freenode treats all chans as +s for whois	03:06
DocScrutinizer	or there is a user mode to set this	03:07
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DocScrutinizer	dunno	03:07
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* ShadowJK manages to pose the question whether N900 has colomb counting or voltage crap in a bugzilla comment :D		03:08
DocScrutinizer	hrhrr	03:08
ShadowJK	so like, freerunner had a chip in the battery, but also worked fine on nokia batteries, I guess the battery meter (if any) didn't work with nokia batteries?	03:09
Matthew-	oi guys, you know the podcast thingy?	03:09
ShadowJK	gpodder?	03:09
Matthew-	Can I get the podcasts from Itunes there?	03:09
Matthew-	ShadowJK: yeah	03:09
ShadowJK	dunno about itunes	03:09
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DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: that's been addressed to me?	03:10
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ShadowJK	not particulary, but there has been some freerunner users here in the past atleast, would've been interesting if anyone had tried it with nokia batteries	03:12
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DocScrutinizer	sure	03:13
DocScrutinizer	we even made a kernel module to have semi-decent 'battery-voltage crap" with nokia BL-xC	03:13
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ShadowJK	ah :-)	03:14
DocScrutinizer	the bq27k CC chip resides in the GTA02 smart battery	03:14
N900evil	hmm	03:15
DocScrutinizer	http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers	03:15
N900evil	f7/8 are scroll buttons. unfortunately shift-lock does not act like shift is pressed	03:15
N900evil	trying to get it to scroll up/down after caps lock turned on	03:16
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* DocScrutinizer wonders how SpeedEvil is goinf to press F7/8 on N900		03:16
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ShadowJK	hm.. "noisy measuring of battery current" on gta01	03:17
Damion2	qemu took 4* as long to decode an mp3 to wav than native	03:18
Damion2	that's pretty promising	03:18
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DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: I'm not 100% sure this is correct	03:19
Damion2	ace_solitaire was significantly faster emulated locally than X forwarded	03:19
DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: actually current is noisy. Probably you just get a momentary value when reading the current	03:19
N900evil	f7/8 are scroll buttons. unfortunately shift-lock does not act like shift is pressed	03:19
* DocScrutinizer wonders how SpeedEvil is goinf to press F7/8 on N900		03:20
DocScrutinizer	:-P	03:20
ShadowJK	DocScrutinizer, yeah I'd imagine it'd be something like a soc's gpio/ADC over a sense resistor?	03:20
N900evil	f7/8 are zoom buttons.	03:20
N900evil	oops	03:21
DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: yup	03:21
* ShadowJK must now find the sauce for that "voltage crap" module, it's porn		03:21
DocScrutinizer	it's built in to the PCF50606 PMU chip, but nevertheless I guess it's not smart enough to do an average over the last say 10sec	03:22
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DocScrutinizer	PaulFertser: any hints? :-D	03:22
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GAN900	DocScrutinizer, volume keys are bound to that.	03:24
DocScrutinizer	aaaaah	03:25
DocScrutinizer	thanks GAN900	03:25
N900evil	shift-up/down bound to pgup/dn makes sense	03:25
DocScrutinizer	coool	03:26
DocScrutinizer	ouch, broke my fingers :-P	03:26
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DocScrutinizer	muhahaha, "internal error, xchat closed"	03:27
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N900evil	Sha,	03:30
N900evil	hmm	03:30
N900evil	sha:	03:30
N900evil	sha,	03:30
N900evil	oops	03:30
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dracflamloc	lol	03:31
dracflamloc	so... whats the 'best' app/game/whatever everyone recommends for the n900?	03:32
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N900evil	vi	03:33
DocScrutinizer	less	03:33
DocScrutinizer	or maybe bash :-P	03:33
Damion2	tower toppler	03:33
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Damion2	N900evil: have you done those pgup/dn mappings?	03:34
dracflamloc	haha	03:35
dracflamloc	ok besides the normal linux stuff	03:35
DocScrutinizer	N900evil: ...or have you killed your xchat by pressing shift-leftVol, like I did? :-)	03:40
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ShadowJK	anyone with sparetime/sparemotivation to write a energysaving irc bouncer? :P	03:41
DocScrutinizer	make that a proxy.	03:42
SpeedEvil	Damion2: yes	03:43
SpeedEvil	Damion2: works well	03:43
SpeedEvil	Damion2: and shift-right to complete	03:43
Damion2	yeah me too	03:43
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: you did that just via the settings/keymappings?	03:43
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: yes.	03:43
Damion2	oh, I edited some complex config file	03:44
DocScrutinizer	with shiftlock?	03:44
SpeedEvil	annoyingly, you can't map blue-shifts	03:44
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: no - it doesn't work with shiftlock - as it looks at the state of teh key, not the logical state of the key	03:44
SpeedEvil	or something	03:44
SpeedEvil	but holding down shift is possible	03:44
DocScrutinizer	yeah, you'd probably have to tweak xmodmap (or whatever it's called) to map blue-F7/8	03:45
SpeedEvil	I was initially thinking of using the zoombuttons - for which holding down shift is awkward	03:45
Damion2	where do I get sshfs and is fuse built in?	03:46
DocScrutinizer	hmmm	03:46
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DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: (hold shift) <quote> [2010-02-07 02:26:36] <DocScrutinizer> ouch, broke my fingers :-P </quote>	03:48
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: on a different topic: was that you who complained about the original white breathing light having too long a pause time to spot it at a glance?	03:51
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N900evil	maybe	03:57
N900evil	I think I more wasn't seeinb the point in it at all	03:57
N900evil	on xchat - shift-0 to channel 1 is very handy.	03:58
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N900evil	ah	04:01
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DocScrutinizer	21% after 10h	04:05
ShadowJK	wait what? what was it at 6h..	04:06
ShadowJK	and how come your umts irc is draining battery like my edge irc...	04:06
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ShadowJK	to be fair, whenever I enable 3g mode with xchat open, it stays at 3.5g hsdpa all of the time :/	04:06
DocScrutinizer	sorry, after 7h	04:07
* ShadowJK wonders if the voltageguestimate thing knows about current consumption		04:09
DocScrutinizer	still mostly 3G here	04:09
DocScrutinizer	doesn't seem so, according to lshal	04:10
DocScrutinizer	iirc	04:10
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ShadowJK	yeah well, current consumption isn't in lshal on N8x0 either	04:11
ShadowJK	but the hardware actually measures it good enough that you can make your own colomb counter in userspace	04:11
ShadowJK	1sec sampling interval ghetto mA counting seems to stay 10% accurate for half a week or so, too :-)	04:12
DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: actually I'd expect the omap PMU should know about current consumption	04:16
ShadowJK	I've seen some unrealistic "corrections"	04:18
ShadowJK	which kinda make me think it's unaware of current consumption, and just has a voltage window treating peaks as unloaded voltage	04:19
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DocScrutinizer	That's what I deduced from the capacity readings, yes	04:20
ShadowJK	I guess the hw can measure current, but can't count it	04:21
DocScrutinizer	but the guessometer not knowing or caring about actual current consumption doesn't mean you can't accuire this reading from any of the PMU registers	04:21
DocScrutinizer	exactly	04:21
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ShadowJK	I'm running shit that keeps the CPU awake most of the time anyway, adding a charge counter running on the CPU would be small batterylife hit for me :(	04:22
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DocScrutinizer	hrhrr haha. bat low warning. 0%	04:28
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ShadowJK	from what percentage did it jump to 0? :-)	04:31
DocScrutinizer	[2010-02-07 03:05:32] <DocScrutinizer> 21% after 7h [edit]	04:31
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dracflamloc	have any of you tried jagged alliance 2 on n900?	04:57
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dracflamloc	erm	05:17
dracflamloc	why does my n900 tell me its fully charged, but its really at 90%	05:18
timeless	jebba: ping	05:18
timeless	drac: =~ s/its/it's/	05:18
timeless	jebba: can you give me space on mas:/dev/vdh1 ?	05:20
timeless	(or anything w/ a couple of gigs of space, / doesn't even have 1gb)	05:20
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crashanddie	dracflamloc: battery protection?	05:22
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dracflamloc	?	05:22
ShadowJK	I think the battery charger and the battery meter are mostly unaware of eachother	05:23
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* timeless is rarely told that the battery is charged		05:30
timeless	dracflamloc: how do you decide that it's @90% and what makes you think that the n900 told you it was fully charged?	05:31
dracflamloc	well	05:32
dracflamloc	the status light turned white while it was plugged in	05:32
dracflamloc	so i unplug, and the 'batlevel' program shows 90%	05:32
* timeless thought 'green' meant fully charged..		05:32
ShadowJK	i think the white is "charger not connected, device alive"	05:33
ShadowJK	pulsating white	05:33
dracflamloc	hm	05:33
ShadowJK	dunno what constant white is	05:33
dracflamloc	man i just got this thing yesterday and already im worried about messing up that usb port	05:33
timeless	if it's fully charged, it will say so w/ text on the screen...	05:33
timeless	(when it's not screen locked)	05:33
dracflamloc	i hear that some have grinded down the nubs on the charger/usb cable.	05:33
dracflamloc	ah	05:33
dracflamloc	i think it was screen locked tho	05:34
ShadowJK	The N900 always runs on battery, once it's charged it'll be draining the battery until the charge level drops sufficiently to restart charging	05:37
timeless	anyway, it sound like you randomly guessed at the color scheme	05:37
ShadowJK	Theoretically you could keep the charger always on, keeping it constantly fully charged, but this is very hard on the battery	05:37
timeless	and then accused it of lying	05:37
dracflamloc	uhm	05:37
timeless	which is probably not the best way to go about things	05:37
dracflamloc	forgive me?	05:37
timeless	sure, but piece of advice: next time, ask what the colors mean :)	05:38
dracflamloc	since your timeless i guess you've not made assumptions with that timeless wisdom ;)	05:38
timeless	=~ s/your/you're/	05:38
ShadowJK	timeless: there's actually a bug on bugzilla complaining about full != 100% ;)	05:38
timeless	shadowjk: i can't say i'm surprised :)	05:39
dracflamloc	ah ha!	05:39
ShadowJK	Those batlevel things should probably have an option to filter the raw values in order not to confuse users :)	05:39
dracflamloc	heh	05:39
timeless	no	05:40
dracflamloc	well lets just say that the n900 is the first of all the devices i've ever had, to not show 100% in 'raw' values when the charger says its fully charged	05:40
timeless	odds are the raw values are more confusing ;-)	05:40
timeless	i still want to know how you decided it thought it was fully charged	05:41
timeless	it sure doesn't sound like you got the text message saying that	05:41
ShadowJK	dracflamloc, one popular method is to say full when charge reaches 70%, and silently continue charge in background, because the last 30% take a really long time...	05:41
dracflamloc	the screen was locked	05:41
timeless	there's a second text message that tells you to unplug the charger	05:41
dracflamloc	anyway	05:41
timeless	drac: we've already indicated that white is basically 'i'm alive and wasting power'	05:42
dracflamloc	yes	05:42
timeless	'(but my screen is dark, that's why i'm white)'	05:42
* ShadowJK wonders if timeless has slept		05:42
timeless	not recently	05:43
luke-jr	timeless: huh? isn't white the least power-consuming?	05:43
timeless	yesterday i was waiting to throw up	05:43
timeless	luke: powered off wastes less power	05:43
ShadowJK	luke-jr, the most power-consuming I think?	05:43
luke-jr	timeless: well, yeah... :P	05:43
timeless	and no, it isn't wasting 0	05:43
timeless	removing the battery will probably waste less	05:43
ShadowJK	white takes more power to produce than red I think?	05:44
timeless	and again, probably technically still >0	05:44
luke-jr	ShadowJK: IIRC, white is the default of LCD	05:44
ShadowJK	luke-jr, not the LED though	05:44
luke-jr	...	05:44
dracflamloc	wow jagged alliance data folder is 10,000 files	05:45
dracflamloc	guess i should tar those and untar them right on the phone	05:45
ShadowJK	They're usually 3 led's on a single die/package, red green blue.. all 3 needed to produce white	05:45
ShadowJK	and not white led with a 1-pixel large LCD infront	05:45
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timeless	you need two /'s if you want root	05:47
timeless	it's documented somewhere	05:47
timeless	oops	05:48
ShadowJK	Oh you mean white on the screen, not status light, consuming least power?	05:48
ShadowJK	yeah... on SmartQ7 you can turn off LCD but keep backlight.. the screen fades to white :D	05:48
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SpeedEvil	ShadowJK: yeah - there are three LEDs in one little package. The blue is probably the most efficient in terms of light output per unit of power in - but the eye sucks at blue. green or red are probably slightly more efficient. in practice - an equal brightness of light will probably use more or less the same power to within 50%	06:16
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SpeedEvil	whatever the colour	06:16
ShadowJK	awesome	06:17
ShadowJK	now explain why people pimp their cars with blue headlights	06:18
ShadowJK	;)	06:18
SpeedEvil	'cause they're ass-hats.	06:18
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ShadowJK	:)	06:18
SpeedEvil	More seriously - HID lights - are considerably more efficient and produce more light output per watt. And it's a better light to see with.	06:18
SpeedEvil	But.	06:18
ShadowJK	I was expecting rayleigh and what not, but that's good enough	06:18
SpeedEvil	Unless very carefully adjusted - they can dazzle other drivers badly.	06:19
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SpeedEvil	Even in some cases if they are carefully and properly adjusted - and an unlucky road layout	06:19
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danny	hi	06:21
ShadowJK	I remember when yellow was pop	06:21
crashanddie	oh man, yellow lights sucked	06:21
SpeedEvil	Reterofitted lights need lots of clue to work right.	06:22
danny	i need help	06:22
crashanddie	for some reason, in Belgium, the surface of the roads had a specific property that when it rained and you were in a car that had yellow lights, the whole road would light up	06:22
SpeedEvil	danny: With?	06:22
danny	math	06:22
crashanddie	danny: wrong channel	06:22
SpeedEvil	danny: Do you have a man-eating lump of animated cheese hammering at your window trying to kill you?	06:22
danny	no	06:23
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crashanddie	BTW, guys	06:24
crashanddie	you don't think it's interesting we don't have an explanation of Maemo is in our topic?	06:24
ShadowJK	not enough room	06:24
SpeedEvil	not really.	06:24
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crashanddie	Uploading 1.5gig worth of photos to flickr on the hotel wifi maybe wasn't such a good idea after all	06:38
luke-jr	.....	06:39
crashanddie	I don't know why I'm reminded of this discussion I had with a University system admin	06:41
crashanddie	He explained that in order to make sure that all large uploads to their FTPs/whatever sharing service it was, people were recommended to download the file again, and make sure that the old file had the same hash as the new one	06:42
crashanddie	A couple of months after I'd raised my concerns, I saw the guy again, and asked him: "So how's that whole double-upload/download working out for ya?"	06:42
crashanddie	The answer was unique, and I'll never forget it: "I was fired last month after they received the bandwidth usage statistics"	06:43
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derf	Maybe I'm confused. If they didn't have the bandwidth for people to download something after they uploaded it, what was the point of having an FTP to begin with?	06:45
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crashanddie	Oh my bad, forgot to mention a pretty important point: upload was internal, download was external	06:47
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crashanddie	which it obviously wasn't supposed to be	06:48
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DocScrutinizer	weird	06:58
* DocScrutinizer sighs and points to backscroll of this very channel while reading about battery-at-90%		07:01
dracflamloc	hm	07:04
dracflamloc	so whats the actual path to the "n900" and microsd card from terminal?	07:05
DocScrutinizer	N900 is /home/user/MyDocs	07:06
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DocScrutinizer	uSD probably something like /media/card or /mnt or sth	07:07
qwer	will multitouch work with maemo's google maps?	07:07
DocScrutinizer	which multitouch?	07:07
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qwer	oh n900	07:08
dracflamloc	thanks	07:08
DocScrutinizer	N900 has no multitouch	07:08
qwer	I'm comparing nexus one, droid, and maemo - cause I'd prefer OSS, but I want power too	07:08
qwer	ah, thanks docscrutinizer	07:08
DocScrutinizer	dracflamloc: for battery you might find http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers interesting	07:11
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dracflamloc	tx	07:16
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dracflamloc	how do i install 'easy debian'	07:25
crashanddie	dracflamloc: GOOGLE	07:26
crashanddie	GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGLEEEEEEEEE	07:26
dracflamloc	yea im trying	07:26
uhsf	what's easy debian? i installed the synergy binary from easy debian but i don't know the purpose of easy debian	07:26
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crashanddie	uhsf: easy debian is a chroot allowing you to run all of debian's pre-packaged apps	07:29
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dracflamloc	ah i had searched for 'debian'	07:30
dracflamloc	not 'deb'	07:30
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dracflamloc	woot, here we go!	07:32
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crashanddie	http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4336160423/	07:46
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dracflamloc	any of you guys post useful stuff to twitter?	07:48
qwer	twitter is capable of useful content?	07:48
qwer	lol j/k	07:48
dracflamloc	ha	07:48
dracflamloc	yea i know	07:48
dracflamloc	hard to believe	07:48
qwer	there are penty of other resources that work better I'd imagine	07:49
crashanddie	dracflamloc: are you following mwkn?	07:49
crashanddie	http://twitter.com/mwkn	07:50
dracflamloc	nah i only follow a few coders i know so far	07:50
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crashanddie	dracflamloc: check it out, it's not too shabby	07:51
dracflamloc	will do	07:51
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PaulFertser	ShadowJK: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=blob_plain;f=drivers/power/gta01_battery.c;hb=andy-tracking	08:46
luke-jr	PaulFertser: possible to wire that to BME? :P	08:47
luke-jr	err	08:47
luke-jr	to Nxx0 battery*	08:47
luke-jr	:)	08:47
PaulFertser	luke-jr: :))) if there's a way to measure battery voltage somehow (in-kernel), yes.	08:47
Lumpio-	BME o_o	08:48
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crashanddie	I'm bored	08:58
crashanddie	just came back from work	08:58
crashanddie	asj_: any restaurants you'd recommend for tonight?	08:59
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dracflamloc	how can you start a debbie-based program without the top-bar from maemo?	09:36
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dracflamloc	anyone home?	09:54
dracflamloc	how do i use 'hardware keys'	09:55
dracflamloc	Select the "Set Debian HW Keys" menu item; wait a bit, then you can press the minus (-) hardware key followed by the "fullscreen" hardware key to toggle fullscreen for any app.	09:55
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Chiku	any news when new minor firmware will be released?	10:22
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kamui__	feb 8th	10:28
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Markus23	How can I authorize/get authorication icq contacts?	10:51
vincentstans	is anyone having canola2 as media player installed ?	10:51
Markus23	I only see numbers as contacts...	10:51
Markus23	i have installed the additional codecs	10:52
Markus23	they work great	10:52
Markus23	now I can play all videos but one I have here	10:53
vincentstans	the default media player send out a high pitch tone to my stereo canola doesn't do this	10:53
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vincentstans	but when listening to a track in canola it sometimes suddenly send a piece of a other track on my phone for 3 or 4 seconds	10:54
vincentstans	really weird	10:54
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mateus	hello, I'm trying to test the espeak in maemo more no sound. somebody did?	10:59
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Markus23	anyone uses icq contacts for n900?	11:00
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voltagex	Hi, Where does Tasks actually store the tasks database?	11:03
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vincentstans	markus23 let me just install icq and retrieve my icq stuff i haven'd use for years ;D	11:09
mateus	someone already successfully tested the espeak?	11:11
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vincentstans	markus23 what have you installed to use icq ? in conversations or a seperate app	11:18
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Damion2	I found with gtalk that I got a quick screen notification to accept contacts, I think if I missed it, it was hard to have the chance again	11:36
crashanddie	I need recommendations for takeaway food tonight	11:38
Damion2	qemu-i386 ./toppler runs at about 75% ! full sdl app	11:38
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Damion2	it feels more like p120 than 486dx40 some were estimating	11:40
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Damion2	it helps that native kernel and Xorg are involved in much of the work vs full pc h/ware emulation	11:42
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hrw\|n900	hi	11:43
hrw\|n900	mdbus needs to be in extras	11:44
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ifreq	mourning	11:47
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voltagex	Hi, Where does Tasks actually store the tasks database?	11:54
voltagex	calendardb doesn't seem to have it	11:54
voltagex	I stand corrected, there it is.	11:55
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Jaffa	Morning, all	12:12
asj_	eening	12:12
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hrw\|n900	re	12:14
Corsac	hmhm, is angry birds available for other handsets?	12:17
Corsac	(n810? other phones from other brands?)	12:17
Jaffa	Corsac: iPhone, IIRC	12:18
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asj_	what is angry birds?	12:45
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Jaffa	asj_: Fun little game in the Ovi store	12:46
asj_	ah ok	12:46
asj_	there's something useful there? ;)	12:46
Jaffa	asj_: http://store.ovi.com/content/23158?clickSource=browse&contentArea=games	12:46
Jaffa	asj_: That's about it ;-)	12:46
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asj_	lovely, ovi store can't send to my phone	12:55
fragment	asj_: but there is nothing there to send anyway :P	12:59
asj_	fragment: well, other than angry birds	12:59
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LuciusMare	hi, does anybody know why is ssh so unobeying? i had to /etc/init.d/ssh stop it about 20 times, then sigkill the process itself (it spawned again by itself) and now, i hope it is gone for a while	13:12
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pupnik	quiet	13:18
koala_man	I get this when trying to run maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py: TypeError: QWizardPage.registerField(QString, QWidget, str property=None, SIGNAL() changedSignal=0): argument 4 has unexpected type 'str'	13:18
koala_man	this is on a newly installed debian sid chroot with python-qt4 4.7-2	13:19
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pupnik	urgh	13:20
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pupnik	13:00 aw 1124 Daniel Stone :)	13:22
pupnik	anybody watching tannenbaum ?	13:23
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bennypr0fane	Hello, does anyone know whether it's possible to undo a screen calibration of N900? I calibrated it, but now it's worse than before, so i'd like to go back to the previous situation. Any suggestions?	13:30
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* RST38h found why his N900 ends up unnlocked every morning: for some reason, PR1.1 makes it unlock every time the charger is plugged in		13:50
LuciusMare	unlocked?	13:51
RST38h	yes	13:51
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LuciusMare	and, talking about unlocking, what is the default code?	13:52
LuciusMare	(if i want to change it)	13:52
RST38h	"The HoneyGrid scans 40 million Web sites and 10 million emails, so it was bound to find something interesting. Among the things it found was that a staggering 95% of User Generated Content is either malicious in nature or spam."	13:52
* RST38h cackles evilly		13:52
LuciusMare	honeygrid?	13:52
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LuciusMare	wait a minute	13:53
LuciusMare	it scans 10 million emails??	13:53
LuciusMare	like, personal emails?	13:53
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bennypr0fane	Hello, does anyone know whether it's possible to undo a screen calibration of N900? I calibrated it, but now it's worse than before, so i'd like to go back to the previous situation. Any suggestions?	13:56
LuciusMare	calibrate it better :)	13:57
bennypr0fane	In dunno, i'm afraid of making it even worse	13:58
bennypr0fane	so, do you know if can be nudone?	13:59
bennypr0fane	*undone	13:59
LuciusMare	well, i dont really think that it is possible	13:59
RST38h	Lucius: Yes. And all it gets is "what is the default code honeygrid? wait a minut it scans 10 million emails like personal emails"	13:59
RST38h	"well i dont really think it is possible"	14:00
LuciusMare	eh?	14:00
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RST38h	Lucius: Do you see why they claim 95% of that stuff to be garbage now? :)	14:00
LuciusMare	well, everything looks like garbage without context	14:00
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RST38h	wazd moo	14:02
Corsac	mootoo	14:03
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LuciusMare	mootoo?	14:04
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zerojay	Any di.fm fans here?	14:22
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crashanddie	you?	14:22
Dassu	How does ssh to the device work for you guys when wlan is in power save mode? O_o	14:23
Dassu	I never get connection that way	14:23
zerojay	Just working on a package that will add all the di.fm streams to media player when installed.	14:23
zerojay	Dassu: Set powersave to intermediate instead of max.	14:24
crashanddie	Dassu: depends which router I'm on	14:24
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crashanddie	Dassu: in the London office, doesn't work. At home in London it works fine, at the PAT in Brisbane doesn't work either	14:25
fnordianslip	Dassu: works fine with my Draytek router/ap	14:25
SpeedEvil	works just fine on mine	14:25
SpeedEvil	on max	14:25
Dassu	:/	14:26
Dassu	I alwasy have to set my Power save to none.	14:26
Dassu	hmm	14:27
crashanddie	Dassu: well, the reason your N900 doesn't work with SSH then is because the battery drained in 48.3 seconds	14:27
Dassu	seems to work with medium as well	14:27
zerojay	lol	14:27
crashanddie	in other words, don't set power save to none	14:27
Dassu	crashanddie: It can last for like 8hours	14:28
Dassu	Nope, doesn't work with medium anymore	14:28
crashanddie	you but, like, it's not like it won't like liking what I have, which unlike yours, is like 3 days!	14:28
Dassu	I guess I have to create a switch for this	14:28
Dassu	crashanddie: Dont care about 3 days If the recharger is right next to me	14:29
crashanddie	So you bought a mobile device because you never leave home? Makes sense	14:29
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Corsac	crashanddie: not sure how you manage to keep it 3 days	14:30
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Corsac	I can't make it last more than 36h	14:30
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Corsac	or maybe 40-45	14:30
vincenzo	ciao	14:30
crashanddie	Corsac: I dunno, I charged it last on Friday and now it's beeping	14:30
vincenzo	!list	14:30
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Dassu	crashanddie: dude	14:31
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Dassu	crashanddie: I'm not gonna ssh to my device from anywhere else than home. So problem doesn't exist in elsewhere	14:31
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crashanddie	zerojay: favourite picture of all those I've taken yesterday: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4336878936/sizes/l/	14:32
crashanddie	sorry, GeneralAntilles ^	14:32
Jaffa	crashanddie: I had to give in and introduce a tiny bit of PHP into the existing mwkn.net site (under `resources' in svn) just to handle issue lists	14:33
crashanddie	Jaffa: no sweat	14:33
Jaffa	crashanddie: Cool photo	14:33
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Corsac	Jaffa: yes I've seen them, remember we cooked the wiki page together? :)	14:35
zerojay	crashanddie: Wow.	14:38
crashanddie	lol... some guy in a photography channel just asked me why my pictures were blurry...	14:39
crashanddie	that's shallow depth of field, bru	14:39
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SpeedEvil	how big is that snake - 2cm across?	14:39
SpeedEvil	no - 1.5	14:40
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crashanddie	SpeedEvil: bit more than that	14:40
Kegetys	or the noise reduction	14:40
crashanddie	SpeedEvil: depends what you mean by "across"	14:40
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Jaffa	Corsac: Yeah, thought we might've done - but it was a while ago and my mind is failing :-/	14:41
Corsac	:)	14:41
Corsac	Jaffa: were you at the talk?	14:41
SpeedEvil	crashanddie: diameter	14:41
crashanddie	SpeedEvil: maybe a bit more than 2cm, probably 4	14:41
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crashanddie	Jaffa: thanks	14:42
Jaffa	Corsac: No, didn't make it to FOSDEM.	14:42
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Jaffa	Corsac: Didn't even consider going until someone asked. I'm not used to thinking of myself as a somebody who people might like to meet ;-)	14:42
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crashanddie	Jaffa: don't be that humble, you're not that great	14:43
Corsac	well, you might have wanted to go to the talks :)	14:43
SpeedEvil	Yes he is! He invented those lovely cakes.	14:43
Jaffa	crashanddie: Good point.	14:43
Jaffa	SpeedEvil: Yeah, but I stupidly gave them away so I don't get 'em anymore :-(	14:43
Jaffa	Corsac: Indeed. If nothing else, would give me some more content for tonight's MWKN	14:44
crashanddie	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa	14:44
crashanddie	quote from that page: "Jaffa suffers from drug problems, high crime rates and violence."	14:44
Corsac	ahaha	14:45
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Jaffa	Hehe	14:45
crashanddie	it would appear Jaffa is a bit gay: "Jaffa's Jewish population is a mix of "old-timers" who settled in the city in the 1950s and 1960s"	14:45
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Jaffa	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_orange is the closest to the origin of the nick. "very sweet"	14:45
crashanddie	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_riots	14:46
Jaffa	Corsac: http://fosdem.org/2010/interview/elena-reshetova looks appropriate	14:47
Corsac	yeah, it almost decided me to go :)	14:47
Myrtti	mmmm jaffa cakes	14:47
crashanddie	Heh, Elena	14:47
crashanddie	we're not done with her yet	14:47
crashanddie	I have great plans for her	14:48
zerojay	Nothing to do with a ballgag, I hope.	14:48
crashanddie	no, I already told you the ballgag was yours only	14:49
crashanddie	stop being so insecure, goddamnit	14:49
SpeedEvil	that sounds interesting	14:49
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Myrtti	goddamnit, now I want jaffa cakes	14:49
crashanddie	zerojay: you have no idea how hard it was to deflect that on you rather than throw in a cheap "your mom" line	14:49
zerojay	crashanddie: I appreciate the effort. :)	14:50
crashanddie	that's what she said	14:50
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Jaffa	Heh	14:51
crashanddie	Jaffa: I didn't have to work on Saturday afternoon, so I thought I'd go to the zoo, take some pictures, and get drunk during the evening	14:52
crashanddie	bastards called me in today...	14:52
Jaffa	crashanddie: Sounds like a perfec... oh.	14:52
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crashanddie	anyway, going to try and watch something on the crap wifi, and then off to bed	14:53
crashanddie	'night all	14:53
Jaffa	Cy	14:53
Jaffa	+A	14:53
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crashanddie	btw: I WANT MORE V	14:58
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crashanddie	That little Lisa kid in V? Djeezus	14:58
crashanddie	I mean... seriously? http://blog.hdscreencaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Laura_Vandervoort_0001.jpg	14:59
aSIMULAtor	starts back in march right?	15:02
crashanddie	aye	15:03
crashanddie	bbl, rebooting	15:03
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hcarrega	hi	15:04
zerojay	4 streams done... 31 to go. :/	15:06
hcarrega	anyone using stellarium?	15:08
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vallhalla81	Hi there all	15:09
hcarrega	hi	15:09
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Damion2	how old is lisa supposed to be?	15:16
Damion2	is this a remake and she's the one who gets knolckedd up by the alien?	15:17
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MohammadAG	lol changing the transitions.ini file is fun	15:18
MohammadAG	set the rotation angle to 360	15:18
ShadowJK	i think she's supposed to be an alien	15:22
crashanddie	Damion2: yeah, she's an alien	15:23
crashanddie	Damion2: the one who gets knocked up is a black chick, don't remember her name	15:23
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RST38h	V? Who mentioned V? They are returning V?	15:28
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crashanddie	I'm thinking about opening a gym, it will only be open on Sunday mornings, and it'll be called "Jehova's Fitness"	15:31
RST38h	crashanddie: "Burn Your Fat for Jesus!"	15:32
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RST38h	(also minimizes stigmata size)	15:33
crashanddie	And the Lord said unto John: "Come forth and receive eternal life."	15:33
Myrtti	there actually is this volunteer thing going on in Finland	15:33
crashanddie	But John came fifth and won a toaster	15:34
koala_man	the eula link on http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo_5_SDK_installation_for_beginners#Nokia_binaries_installation is broken	15:34
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Myrtti	Lose your weight for Education in Nepal	15:34
crashanddie	your weight?	15:34
crashanddie	Your whole weight?	15:34
crashanddie	everything?	15:34
crashanddie	That gives a whole new meaning to "Burn your fat"	15:34
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Myrtti	some millionaire promised to pay 15€ per lost kilo to a development project in Nepal to aid education	15:35
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* SpeedEvil lost weight with the n900!		15:36
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MohammadAG	koala_man, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php	15:36
crashanddie	ok, so on average that's a 150euro pledge per person, how many participate?	15:36
Myrtti	so for every kilo of weight you lose, the development project gets money. There's the Finnish institute for health and wellbeing monitoring it, and some church councils and official offices are participating	15:36
MohammadAG	there was a \|Maemo at the end	15:36
SpeedEvil	Seriously - I could barely afford it - but I decided that with planned low-calorie/inexpensive meals - I could subsidise it from the diet. And lose weight too! :)	15:36
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Myrtti	http://www.thl.fi/en_US/web/en/pressrelease?id=21864	15:37
SpeedEvil	http://www.mauve.plus.com/weight.gif :)	15:37
koala_man	Myrtti: nice. does it work the other way as well?	15:39
MohammadAG	koala_man, wiki edited	15:39
MohammadAG	thanks for pointing it out :)	15:39
koala_man	yay, thanks	15:39
crashanddie	SpeedEvil: how are you achieve such consistency?	15:39
crashanddie	s/ve/ving/	15:40
infobot	crashanddie meant: SpeedEvil: how are you achieving such consistency?	15:40
lopz	hey :p	15:40
MohammadAG	umm	15:43
MohammadAG	my n900 has a charging only indicator in the pop down status menu	15:43
MohammadAG	applets area	15:43
MohammadAG	the USB cable isn't connected, what's that area's name? systemui?	15:44
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SpeedEvil	crashanddie: caloric defecit.	15:44
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crashanddie	SpeedEvil: impressive, building muscle as well?	15:45
SpeedEvil	crashanddie: just maintaining ATM - losing fat	15:45
SpeedEvil	crashanddie: -1000 calories/day (from my ~2700 or so baseline) = ~1Kg/week loss	15:45
crashanddie	SpeedEvil: you do realise that the first thing that goes when you do a calorific burn kills most of your muscles first,right?	15:46
SpeedEvil	slowed down recently to approach more gradually	15:46
koala_man	1700kcal per day? jesus	15:46
SpeedEvil	crashanddie: I am not finding that I am getting any weaker on tests I'm doing.	15:46
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crashanddie	SpeedEvil: no, but you should be getting stronger	15:47
crashanddie	SpeedEvil: anyway, whatever works for you, good luck	15:47
SpeedEvil	crashanddie: Got other problems - post viral fatigue syndrome - that makes excersize a real problem.	15:47
SpeedEvil	But am doing as much as I can.	15:47
crashanddie	don't be a pussy :P	15:47
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crashanddie	just go to a local tall building, run up and down the stairs a couple of time, go back home, undust those dumbells and do some abs, you'll be fine	15:48
SpeedEvil	Unfortunately, if I exert myself as much as I can on one or two days - I can have _no_ energy and difficulty thinking clearly for up to several months.	15:49
* RST38h moos at Myrtti		15:49
crashanddie	dumbells, you get a good 40kg set for roughly 60euros, running shoes for roughly the same, so if you bargain, 100euros and you're set for life :P	15:49
RST38h	Ok, seeing that half the regulars are here, whose N900 goes out of locked mode when you plug it into the charger?	15:49
SpeedEvil	RST38h: not mine	15:50
SpeedEvil	oh	15:50
cehteh	RST38h: locked as in keyboard locked or passcode locked?	15:50
SpeedEvil	if you set 'display always on during charger plugged in' - it may do that	15:50
RST38h	cehteh: Locked as in locked with the sliding switch	15:50
RST38h	Speed: Hmmm...ok, lemme see if it got set by chance	15:50
cehteh	yes mine wakes up .. i have the 'display always on, when on charger' enabled too	15:51
RST38h	no, not set	15:51
cehteh	are this screen-blinking apps which shall fix stuck pixels a myth or actually working?	15:52
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RST38h	myth	15:52
cehteh	guessed so	15:52
zerojay	They do work from time to time.	15:53
cehteh	for what is the 'power saving' on the screen preferences?	15:53
RST38h	hmm, no, my N900 always goes unlocked when charged	15:53
cehteh	i mean we have 'turn off after n secs'	15:54
* cehteh tries		15:54
cehteh	yes mine too	15:54
RST38h	Have you got a final one or a dev unit?	15:54
cehteh	final	15:54
RST38h	wtf?	15:55
RST38h	Weird. Never did that before 51.1	15:55
cehteh	with new firmware	15:55
crashanddie	ahaha... elderly care home overlooking a funeral director...	15:55
cehteh	yes iirc thats a regression	15:55
crashanddie	that's a classic	15:55
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Micze	test	16:00
SpeedEvil	ator	16:00
Micze	Lovely	16:01
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Micze	This device is the best thing ever.	16:05
SpeedEvil	This, or the wheel.	16:06
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RST38h	why don't I see the mention of firearms in this context?	16:14
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N900evil	you don't have a bluetooth phalanx system?	16:19
* crashanddie cocks a glock and aims at RST38h		16:21
crashanddie	happy now?	16:21
RST38h	oh yessss	16:21
* RST38h found the wiki page about V 2009 season		16:21
N900evil	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_CIWS I got one in the box with the n900	16:21
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RST38h	Weird how things transform with time...	16:21
Micze	everyone i show my phone to that have things like sony experias and the lige just gape in awe	16:21
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solpete	urm... why doesnt my 12volt car2usb adapter charge my n900?	16:25
N900evil	have you measured the output voltage?	16:25
solpete	well it charged my old TYTNII are the voltage speccs different?	16:26
solpete	between micro/mini usb?	16:26
N900evil	no	16:26
N900evil	do you mean no charge at all?	16:26
solpete	yeah	16:27
hardaker	I don't think most adaptors can supply the current.	16:27
solpete	doesnt even light up	16:27
hardaker	I don't think it has to do with the voltage.	16:27
solpete	ok	16:27
hardaker	the n900 seems to need to draw a lot of current	16:27
Lumpio-	500mA shouldn't be hard to draw from a car battery	16:27
hardaker	you're not alone	16:27
solpete	not really no	16:27
Lumpio-	Is the charger a dumb one?	16:27
N900evil	it should charge from low current	16:27
hardaker	It's not the car.	16:27
hardaker	it's the charger.	16:27
N900evil	in principle	16:27
hardaker	N900evil: it doesn't.	16:27
Lumpio-	If it's just a voltage converter, the N900 might not even try to charge from it	16:28
crashanddie	does maps still require internet connectivity?	16:28
Lumpio-	Because the USB spec requires that you can't draw over 100mA without asking the USB host for a permission	16:28
solpete	well it seems as if n900 doesnt want to charge it	16:28
Lumpio-	...and a dumb voltage converter isn't going to respond	16:28
N900evil	Lumpio-, it does according to L3/L4 manual	16:28
Lumpio-	I have no idea about that part of the N900 though, so I'm just guessing.	16:28
N900evil	if the d pins are shorted	16:29
solpete	ok so I have to buy a specific Nokia charger?	16:29
Lumpio-	oo	16:29
Lumpio-	Never heard of that >_>	16:29
N900evil	to indicate it's a charger	16:29
Lumpio-	I must've skipped that part of the USB spec	16:29
N900evil	newish spec	16:29
N900evil	couple of years	16:29
hardaker	solpete: I suspect you don't need a Nokia one; just a good one.	16:29
N900evil	supporting dumb high current chargers	16:30
solpete	okay	16:30
crashanddie	works fine with blackberry charger	16:30
solpete	I guess the fuse wont burn in my car, its not that power hungry I hope hehe	16:31
Lumpio-	...maybe the car charger doesn't know of the spec :P	16:32
SpeedEvil	I fit's under a year old, wquite likely	16:33
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RST38h	Heh... So many people asking for UAE and none of them tried porting it.	16:35
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RST38h	The best they can do is take pupnik's binary and try running it on n900.	16:35
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SpeedEvil	uae?	16:36
RST38h	We are not even talking about writing the thing from scratch, just compiling it	16:36
derf	RST38h: You mean... use the COMMAND-LINE? That's so hard!	16:36
RST38h	derf: what is "COMAND-LINE"?	16:37
derf	Yes, exactly.	16:37
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RichiH_fosdem	can the n900 function as a usb host?	16:40
koala_man	what does "sb-conf se FREMANTLE_ARMEL" do? set the currently used architecture? why are you supposed to run af-sb-init.sh start in x86 mode?	16:41
RST38h	cehteh: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8890	16:42
povbot	Bug 8890: Device becomes unlocked when plugged into charger	16:42
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koala_man	I can't run af-sb-init.sh in armel mode, am I supposed to be able to do that?	16:44
Micze	.	16:46
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ifreq	koala_man: i dont think so	16:52
snostorm	Need help I believe my N900 is Bricked for me, Resulting from the secon time the n900 has went into continious reboot mode. the fist time I had just enough battery left to flash the phone this time the battery is dead and does not seem to want to recharge. Any ideas?	16:52
Lumpio-	I guess that's one downside of USB charging, if not done partway in hardware >_>	16:53
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ifreq	koala_man: Known limitations: The Hildon UI does not come up in the armel target (this is being worked on).	16:54
koala_man	ah	16:55
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SpeedEvil	snostorm: unplug battery and charger.	16:56
SpeedEvil	snostorm: wait 43.7 minutes, and plug in battery and charger - leave for a couple of hours	16:56
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snostorm	ok how long,	16:56
SpeedEvil	err 4-5 mins I mean	16:57
The_Tall1	Hi there. There are some python-twisted packages online. Does somebody have experiences using them together with bluetooth?	16:57
snostorm	ok will try that, and bee back, does any one know if there is a fix for the phone going into continous reboot if I get it fixed?	16:58
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SpeedEvil	snostorm: flashing it should work	17:03
SpeedEvil	snostorm: if there isn't a hardware fault	17:03
Aranel	is Nokia Maps support any language else English?	17:04
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Micze	Did i say that i love my n900, if any developer is around. nice work!	17:17
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libben	I love the hardware, but it's a shame that the google contact/calander sync is poor	17:18
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libben	To get my google contacts working on my phone, i had to export all contacts from gmail, and then transer the file to the phone.	17:18
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Markus23	Is it possible to play a song as a whole as wakeup sound?	17:19
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Markus23	and not only 10 sec and then waiting for some minutes?	17:20
* ioeee-N900 saluda o/		17:20
The_Tall1	All right connect it to a unix socket and it should work, but does it perform on N8XX, too?	17:20
snostorm	SpeedEvil I put the battery back in but still no charge light I even put the battery in a warm place to make sure it was not cold drained	17:23
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Markus23	nobody has an idea how you can play the alarm sound longer then 10 sec?	17:30
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RST38h	OMG they got Linux Torvladsx	17:38
Stskeeps	shot by a reindeer hunter? :P	17:40
derf	You know all he cares about is the kernel.	17:41
kynky	lies	17:42
kynky	thought all he cared about was git :)	17:42
derf	Well, Android uses that, too.	17:43
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kynky	would be hard not too i would imagine	17:44
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snostorm	Does any one know anything about the constant reboot bug ?	17:49
Stskeeps	upgrade to PR1.1 or send it to nokia care	17:49
Sentri	is there a way to add a shortcut to the dashboard (or whatever it is called in english) that would open x terminal, ssh to my address and "screen -r" to my irssi?	17:50
Sentri	I tried this but it doesn't work: http://www.petrilopia.net/wordpress/nokia-n900/nokia-n900-irssi-shortcut-to-desktop/	17:51
Sentri	x term just crashes	17:51
Sentri	or closes	17:52
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ifreq	Sentri: dont think so	17:55
Sentri	http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=426851&postcount=4 also mentions the same way	17:55
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ifreq	its for ssh connection	17:56
Lumpio-	...I added that just yesterday	17:56
ifreq	not to run commands after	17:56
Sentri	yeah I'm trying to ssh to my remote box where I have irssi running	17:56
Lumpio-	I'm not sure if it's necessary, but I put the ssh invocation into a separate .sh file	17:57
ifreq	ssh is OK, but you asked to open screen -r afer	17:57
Lumpio-	And made osso-xterm run that	17:57
Lumpio-	I read somewhere that it doesn't like command line args, but I'm not 100% sure of that	17:57
Lumpio-	ifreq: That works too.	17:57
ifreq	btw on examples i suggest to use fullpaths	17:57
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RST38h	Stskeeps: Does you N900 go off locked mode when you plug it into the charger?	17:58
RST38h	(51.1 assumed)	17:58
ifreq	Lumpio-: youve tested that your desktop icon opens ssh conenctiona and executes screen -r?	17:58
Stskeeps	RST38h: not sure	17:58
Lumpio-	ifreq: Yes.	17:59
ifreq	ookay then help sentri :) i dont need that nfo.	17:59
Sentri	I removed the 'ssh user@example.org' argument and xterm opens up fine	17:59
Lumpio-	Maybe it really doesn't like command line arguments for the command	17:59
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Sentri	hmm	17:59
Lumpio-	Try putting the ssh invocation into something like /usr/share/bin/ssh-server.sh	18:00
DocScrutinizer	RST38h: I never use 'lock'. It unblanks though	18:00
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Lumpio-	And Exec=/usr/bin/oxxo-xterm /usr/local/bin/ssh-server.sh	18:01
RST38h	Stskeeps: Do check: it looks like this is a regression that occurs in 51.1	18:01
Lumpio-	Minus typos	18:01
Lumpio-	At least that worked for me	18:01
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Venst	hello,	18:03
Venst	n' good day to you all.	18:03
Venst	had a few questions regarding the Maemo SDK,	18:03
Venst	would i use it to compile stuff that are arml for maemo ?	18:04
Trizt	if you want to release it to be used on an arm based device	18:07
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* RST38h wonders if he can cut the number of resident browserds down to 3		18:08
Aranel	How can I upload a package to extras-devel?	18:08
Venst^	sorry got disconnected,	18:08
RST38h	There are 7 right now	18:08
Venst^	paste any replies pls	18:08
GAN900	RST38h, somebody needs to ship him an N900	18:08
Trizt	if you want to release it to be used on an arm based device	18:08
GAN900	That's just depressing.	18:09
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RST38h	GAN: Sts has no N900?	18:09
GAN900	RST38h, Linus	18:09
RST38h	Ah, Linus... Who cares about Linus	18:09
Venst^	so would is SDK allow me to compile cli applicaions for the n900 ?	18:09
* RST38h is more concerned that wazd has no N900 =)		18:09
Trizt	Venst^; yes, if you select to compile an arm version	18:10
GAN900	RST38h, well wazd sucks. There's nothing we can do about that. :P	18:10
GAN900	wazd, don't you have a passport yet?	18:10
RST38h	GAN: Judging from what he does, he rulez =)	18:10
Trizt	Venst^; for testing it may be good to compile x86 and run it in the "emulator"	18:10
RST38h	GAN <-- came first in the race to get a passport	18:11
GAN900	Woo!	18:11
Venst^	Trizt : shouldnt i compile for arml and test i nthe emulator ?	18:11
Venst^	in*	18:11
Trizt	Venst^; it's run my x86 compiles so I would say x86	18:12
Venst^	Trizt : do some applications need their sources edited to run on maemo ?	18:13
Venst^	as in for arm	18:13
Venst^	talking about cli applications here	18:13
Trizt	Venst^; no it shouldn't as long as you don't write something really specific x86 CPU	18:13
Venst^	great.	18:13
Venst^	Trizt : whats the best easiest road in terms of gui ?	18:14
ifreq	wazd doenst have a paypal either :P	18:14
Venst^	QT or something like that?	18:14
ifreq	so he prolly wont get n900.. ever	18:14
Trizt	Venst^; I have to say I haven't been doing that much, but they suggest to go with qt as that will be the future of maemo	18:14
wazd	maybe we'll stop discussing me and n900?	18:15
ifreq	wazd: nevah!!	18:15
ifreq	:)	18:15
Venst^	you know what, fuck gui's i need to find a good command execution widget!	18:15
Trizt	Venst^; think there was one in devel repo	18:16
RST38h	wazd: Only when you get one. OR the N920 =)	18:17
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Venst^	will check.	18:17
wazd	RST38h: with dual-sim and TV :D	18:17
RST38h	wazd: and a deadly laser	18:17
Trizt	don't forget a toaster	18:18
* RST38h does not get what dual sim is good for, but TV would be nice		18:18
RST38h	one step closer to tricorder	18:18
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Trizt	RST38h; so you can have your private sim and your work sim in hte same phone, it's quite a lot to carry around on two cellphones	18:18
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RST38h	Trizt: I do not have corporate phone.	18:19
RST38h	No need to.	18:19
Trizt	lucky you	18:19
kuriiri	i don't have private phone :(	18:19
RST38h	My time off work is mine.	18:19
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* Trizt has weeks when he worsk 24h/7d		18:20
wazd	RST38h: what do you think about "17 moments of spring" in 3D? :D	18:22
RST38h	wazd: won't make a difference either way, I think	18:26
DocScrutinizer	RST38h: it's more like the time at work your ass isn't owned by your boss :-P	18:26
RST38h	wazd: redrawing it in technicolor has not made it significantly worse, so 3d wouldn't either :)	18:26
DocScrutinizer	RST38h: neither is your private phone	18:27
RST38h	DocS: my boss knows well that it is more effective to email me.	18:27
DocScrutinizer	RST38h: so if your boss ever wants to give you a phonecall he better tosses over a corporate phone to you	18:28
DocScrutinizer	RST38h: heh :-D	18:28
DocScrutinizer	good boss	18:28
RST38h	DocS: I am ok with my boss calling me on my private phone, no big deal	18:28
DocScrutinizer	let's think about another usecase for dual sim: roaming	18:29
RST38h	well, when abroad, I have to buy a sim card and insert it anyway, so I can just as well remove my original sim	18:30
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DocScrutinizer	get your contract sim to keep the number for people calling you. Use a local prepaid for fair tariff when calling out	18:30
RST38h	again, people send me email :)	18:30
* RST38h is more interested in data rates than voice rates		18:30
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RST38h	(and EU data rates suck moose balls =()	18:31
* ioeee-N900 se despide de todos y cierra o/		18:31
jaska	tyrannousaur testicles	18:31
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Trizt	RST38h; so you use open wlans?	18:31
DocScrutinizer	hmmm, 25EUR for 5GB/month here	18:32
DocScrutinizer	prepaid	18:32
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Trizt	thats robbery when data is un-prioritized traffic	18:33
DocScrutinizer	errr, don't see the point. I get HSPA and even can do (SIP-)VoIP. It's not really different to the cost for a DSL	18:35
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Trizt	DSL here don't have traffic limits, but data transfer for phonesubscriptions seems to have that (they limit your speed to silly if you use more)	18:37
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DocScrutinizer	yup, but 5GB is more than enough for me	18:38
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Trizt	5G thats what I would spend on a day	18:39
DocScrutinizer	o.O	18:39
RST38h	Trizt: I use normal GPRS or wlan when available	18:39
RST38h	DocS: Except when you come to a country (let us say Greece or Lithuania) you cannot get this rate by just buying a ISM	18:40
RST38h	DocS: The rate you get is something like $12/MB	18:41
MohammadAG	wow, steep price <DocScrutinizer> hmmm, 25EUR for 5GB/month here	18:41
MohammadAG	and i thought IL was expensive	18:41
* Stskeeps pokes the mbx driver guy		18:41
RST38h	DocS: which goes down to $1.50/MB after long negotiations	18:42
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DocScrutinizer	RST38h: yes, I know about these. Everybody using these rates is insane	18:43
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SpeedEvil	For $12/M - I want the internet to be fully spell, and style corrected as I download it.	18:44
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* Trizt would want free meals on top of that		18:45
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* satmd pays 30€/m for 6mbit dsl with 3 disconnects/day		18:46
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satmd	so don't complain :<	18:46
Trizt	I would complain if me was you	18:46
* SpeedEvil pays $20/mo for 0.5mbit dsl with 2 disconnects/day		18:47
* RST38h pays $14/mo for 100mbd ethernet		18:47
SpeedEvil	well - it's 1.8 most of the time - but throttled due to the 0.5% of the time it's at 512	18:48
* Trizt pays <€30/m for 30mibt and he can decide himslef when he wants to disconnect		18:48
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uhsf	me i can't afford any data in canada it's too expensive	18:50
uhsf	i only use cable at home and wifi at school	18:50
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uhsf	btw, does anyone here know if rogers still offers a 100$ prepaid voice that is good for one year?	18:59
GAN900	Hey, at least it's not Comcast! :P	18:59
RST38h	hasn't comcast renamed itself?	19:01
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Hukka	what's this... I've gotten "sim registration failed" now twice today	19:02
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Hukka	each requiring a reboot to get network back	19:02
GAN900	RST38h, dunno, still says Comcast on the bill.	19:03
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LuciusMare	hello, what is [omap2_mcspi] ? It takes 25% of my cpu	19:07
libben	google it =)	19:07
libben	and u will find out probably	19:07
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LuciusMare	meh.	19:08
LuciusMare	thanks	19:08
SpeedEvil	A nice annotated process list would be nice	19:10
ifreq	annotated? humm	19:10
SpeedEvil	wiki page - listing 'ps' output	19:10
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SpeedEvil	with each line linking to an app-page	19:11
ifreq	ah	19:11
ifreq	shouldnt be so hard actually	19:12
ifreq	just need time and effort as always :)	19:12
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GAN900	I hate the iPhone touchscreen so much.	19:16
kynky	why ?	19:17
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LuciusMare	yes,why?	19:20
RST38h	BTW, there are still two cpu-load applets in the repos. Anyone knows which one is better?	19:20
LuciusMare	iirc, one is with screenshot and one without	19:21
* cehteh uses 'top'		19:21
LuciusMare	:)	19:21
cehteh	and conky sometimes	19:21
wazd	RST38h: any news from Roman btw?	19:21
kynky	htop ftw	19:22
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cehteh	plain top	19:22
RST38h	wazd: No, I have been out of touch with him for a while	19:22
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GAN900	kynky, because it's freaking useless.	19:22
cehteh	top -d300	19:22
GAN900	kynky, impossible to do anything requiring any precision.	19:23
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kynky	well thats a problem with capacitive afaik, resistive better for precision (generally) , i do like the fact you dont need to apply any pressure on capacitive, but hae never used an iphone, i prefer resistive anyway atm	19:24
cehteh	the n900 is really quite sensitive, you need little pressure but i prefer that over accidental inputs..	19:26
RST38h	In N900 UI, there is pretty much no difference between click and slide	19:27
cehteh	not to tell about the improved precision, glove and pen friendly	19:27
RST38h	It is a freaking minefield: I accidentally click stuff in MicroB half the time	19:27
cehteh	rarely happens to me	19:27
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cehteh	well the click could be little more explicit, maybe configureable	19:28
cehteh	as in distance, pressure (dunno how well pressure sensitivity works) and time	19:28
red	RST38h: same problem	19:29
red	might be lack of pressure for me since im used to capacitive	19:29
red	but damn annoying	19:30
red	id prefer having to click links twice	19:30
wazd	\	19:30
RST38h	red: The guy who made MediaBox solved this by providing buttons to click	19:31
RST38h	anything outside these buttons lets you scroll	19:31
red	im using mediabox	19:31
red	i get alot of accidentals in it too	19:31
red	is it a setting that has come via updates?	19:31
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doubleukay-1	RST38h: hey, I isntalled cpumem-applet. didn't really find it useful, it shows 3 blocks in the status area (where the battery and network icons go). so it's only visible when you are on the dashboard, which is to say, hardly useful at all. besides, it updates too slowly.	19:36
SpeedEvil	I find it very useful	19:37
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doubleukay-1	personally I prefer firing up conky/top/top-over-ssh when I need it	19:38
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RST38h	doublekay: I see =(	19:40
RST38h	then the second one is the one to use	19:40
doubleukay	what is it called?	19:41
RST38h	osso-cpu-load I think	19:41
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doubleukay	hm I don't have it here. what repository is it in?	19:41
joejoe	it is possible to set jabber status according to essid of access point on which i am connected?	19:43
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Lumpio-	Of course it's possible.	19:45
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joejoe	Lumpio-, i mean is there any checkbox in configuration to do this automatically?	19:50
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Lumpio-	That, I'm not aware of.	19:50
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doubleukay	hm do you guys use anything for music syncing? mine's in a regular directory structure (i.e. not itunes or anything)	19:55
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doubleukay	a lot of the music's in flac, so something that automatically transcodes them before putting them onto the n900 would be good	19:55
tank-man	if you have the space for flac files, why not flac+mp3	19:59
RST38h	No flac decoder in Maemo5?	20:00
doubleukay	I'm sure there is, but I have more GBs of music than I have storage on the n900	20:00
SpeedEvil	doubleukay: All legally purchased?	20:00
doubleukay	I neither confirm nor deny anything ;)	20:01
pekuja	are you really going to be able to tell the difference with a portable player?	20:01
DocScrutinizer	sure there's a flac decoder	20:01
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derf	find . -name \*.flac -exec 'oggenc -q4.99' should do fine.	20:01
derf	Err, 'oggenc -q4.99 {};', I mean.	20:02
doubleukay	might just end up doing something like that as a last resort	20:03
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RST38h	pekuja: yes	20:05
RST38h	pekuja: hint: start with percussion	20:05
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MohammadAG_	does anyone see the problem where you can't paste in xchat?	20:05
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cpasjuste	hi	20:06
doubleukay	pekuja: I wouldn't be able to, for a reasonably-encoded file, listened in portable situations.	20:06
cpasjuste	could someone help me with my first application (wesnoth) for the n900 ? impossible to correctly execute it from the application menu ... it's totally silly	20:07
cpasjuste	my sdl application is not launching from application menu. I added (i think) correct .desktop, the exec path is right, the application launch correctly from terminal under the "user" account	20:07
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cpasjuste	i did replace my binary ( exec ) with a script that echo to a file, and nothing is echo"ed" so i guess the script isnt executed at all when launching my application from the application menu	20:07
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MohammadAG_	DocScrutinizer / DocScrutinizer51 u there mate?	20:23
DocScrutinizer	yup	20:23
DocScrutinizer	wazzup?	20:23
MohammadAG_	nm mate, just helping someone set their N900 up	20:24
MohammadAG_	and I gave him your method for xchat notifications	20:24
MohammadAG_	it's just not working for him	20:24
DocScrutinizer	aah :-)	20:24
DocScrutinizer	ohh :-/	20:24
MohammadAG_	<Bash> " is badly formedtem "	20:24
MohammadAG_	<Bash> ' leep: invalid number ' 10	20:24
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MohammadAG_	sh notify.sh outputs that	20:24
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MohammadAG_	DocScrutinizer, http://i49.tinypic.com/of9c7n.png	20:25
DocScrutinizer	missing shebang?	20:26
MohammadAG_	shewhat?	20:26
MohammadAG_	http://pastebin.com/d1476f7d4	20:27
MohammadAG_	oh the #!	20:27
MohammadAG_	it's there	20:27
DocScrutinizer	^M vs ^R issue? (edited file on dos or mac?)	20:29
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MohammadAG_	no, he downloaded it off pastebin	20:29
DocScrutinizer	pastebin has unwanted linebrakes	20:30
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DocScrutinizer	it seems	20:30
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DocScrutinizer	i suggest ls -l ./notify.sh; file ./notify.sh (if that exists); and check for the linebreaks in the dbus lines	20:33
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maromader	hi	20:34
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DocScrutinizer	the output from http://i49.tinypic.com/of9c7n.png is really weird	20:34
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MohammadAG_	it made me <MohammadAG_> o.O too DocScrutinizer :P	20:37
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG_: please advice Bash to do "ls -l ./n*" and "cat ./notify.sh"	20:39
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DocScrutinizer	ahh, plus "id" please	20:40
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cehteh	mhm found a way to disable blinking after the user responds	20:46
* cehteh was thinking about making a xchat plugin for notifications		20:47
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* N900evil is playing with xchat keymaps		20:47
cehteh	ah keymaps .. have to setup emacs ...	20:47
maromader	any fallout fans around?	20:48
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SpeedEvil	http://www.mauve.plus.com/keybindings.conf - shift-blue-0-9 = chan 9-0	20:49
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SpeedEvil	shift-zoom move a tab up and down in the list. shift up-down go to nex/prev tab. shift-left goes 'back' - well reconnects to server. shift-right completes a nick	20:50
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DocScrutinizer	shift-l/r is mapped to highlight by default. I don't like to lose that	20:51
SpeedEvil	highlight?	20:53
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DocScrutinizer	mark text	20:56
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DocScrutinizer	ctrl-l/r is jump word	20:57
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MohammadAG_	DocScrutinizer, http://pastebin.com/m33ae300f	20:57
SpeedEvil	ah	20:57
DocScrutinizer	all highly convenient	20:57
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MohammadAG_	root is the root of all problems there eh?	20:57
SpeedEvil	I diddn't have a problem selecting text with fingers	20:57
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG_: seems so	20:58
MohammadAG_	chown?	20:59
DocScrutinizer	yup	20:59
DocScrutinizer	then exit !!	20:59
DocScrutinizer	using root account for no good reason is silly and deprecated	21:00
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MohammadAG_	DocScrutinizer, how can he change the group?	21:02
MohammadAG_	it's 1 user (user) root (group_	21:02
MohammadAG_	)*	21:02
DocScrutinizer	chown [OPTION]... [OWNER][:[GROUP]] FILE...	21:03
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MohammadAG_	DocScrutinizer, same problem	21:08
DocScrutinizer	weird	21:09
MohammadAG_	<Bash> ./notify.sh: not found	21:09
DocScrutinizer	I don't even get the nature of this problem	21:09
MohammadAG_	<MohammadAG_> sh notify.sh	21:09
MohammadAG_	<Bash> method return sender =:1.8 -> dest=:1.510 reply_serial=2	21:09
MohammadAG_	<Bash> 'leep: invalid number '10	21:09
MohammadAG_	oh wait	21:10
MohammadAG_	'leep should be sleep	21:10
DocScrutinizer	yep	21:10
MohammadAG_	why is it 'leep	21:10
DocScrutinizer	it's croppled fubar. I guess a non-prinatbe error reply of dbus-send causing that	21:10
DocScrutinizer	non-printable	21:11
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DocScrutinizer	you should insert a "echo -n A; sleep 1;echo x" for 1. and then every second line	21:14
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satmd	I wonder if there's a way to make the phone software prefer sip over cellular	21:20
satmd	the wiki didn't tell me or I use the wrong terms to seatch	21:20
satmd	*search	21:20
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG_: or a 'set -v -x' as first line	21:22
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG_: I really doubt that notify.sh is wellformed	21:23
MohammadAG	I gave him my file	21:24
MohammadAG	oh wait, I made another one	21:24
MohammadAG	I'll upload him my own file, seeing as mine works fine	21:25
DocScrutinizer	I suggest you avoid c&p from pastebin	21:25
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, uploiading it to my RS	21:27
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MohammadAG	so the file should stay the same	21:27
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Hukka	Heh, Philip Van Hoof must be a relative of Zumba (he posted on planet maemo :)	21:32
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, my file worked :)	21:37
* MohammadAG looks for a pastebin alternative		21:38
n1c0	hello, is it possible to export wireless key from n900 to computer?	21:39
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MrGoose1	MohammadAG: take a screenshot and use imagehost	21:40
MrGoose1	:P	21:40
MohammadAG	and for copy and paste? :p	21:41
Wolfie	MohammadAG: gist.github.com?	21:41
MrGoose1	you didnt ask for that	21:42
MohammadAG	well pastebin supports c&p, and so should an alternative	21:44
MohammadAG	I'd rather upload files now	21:44
MohammadAG	seeing as pastebin and other sites add text	21:44
smaug___	is there some easy way to cause M900 to beep?	21:46
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smaug___	in some perl script or something	21:46
smaug___	hmm, does perl run on N900	21:46
smaug___	if not that, perhaps python	21:46
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* smaug___ would like to get notified when some specific kind of email arrives		21:47
smaug___	timeless: you might know	21:48
Markus23	smaug___: just play an beep sound?	21:52
Markus23	smaug___: perl and python is available	21:52
Markus23	but perl modules are somewhat stripped down	21:52
smaug___	I think I'd want to check some IMAP email subjects	21:53
smaug___	and beep if I find something interesting	21:53
smaug___	(in this case something like : tinderbox is burning: fix it!)	21:54
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Markus23	your questions are very confusing and seem unrelated	21:54
doubleukay	smaug___: not sure if it helps, but there's - usage: play-sound <sound file>	21:55
smaug___	the question is about beep	21:55
smaug___	ah, play-sound sounds good	21:56
MohammadAG	but...	21:56
MohammadAG	it bypasses the volume control	21:56
smaug___	even better	21:56
smaug___	I want something which wakes me up	21:57
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MohammadAG	lol	22:00
MohammadAG	make sure you don't have the headset on then :p	22:00
doubleukay	that's a good point	22:01
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henkie-	Hi, is there a simple way to associate a shell script with a mimetype (for using in the browser)	22:17
henkie-	creating a desktop entry with the associated mimetype didnt work for me	22:17
henkie-	it says the filetype is not supported	22:18
henkie-	using maemo5	22:18
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MohammadAG	facepalm http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=514797#post514797	22:25
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frals	any ideas on how to get what item is "selected" when using a GtkTreeView with gtk.HILDON_UI_MODE_NORMAL and a callback on tap-and-hold signal? as the ui mode disableas real selections im going crazy trying to figure out what item the menu options should be associated with	22:36
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MohammadAG	who's an irc oper?	22:40
MohammadAG	GeneralAntilles?	22:40
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MohammadAG	Guest17851, seems to be a spam bot	22:41
realitygaps	hey guys, anyone successfully managed to reconnect the usb port after it fell out of their device?	22:42
realitygaps	or is it not even worth trying	22:42
cehteh	realitygaps: no	22:43
MohammadAG	the port falls out?	22:43
henkie-	where can i get dbus-switchboard for the n900? I found a package, but wouldnt install because of a missing "maemo-select-menu-location"	22:43
cehteh	send it in for replacement	22:43
realitygaps	preproduction model so....	22:43
realitygaps	but i dont think i'd buy n900 again if this isnt confirmed fixed	22:43
cehteh	it prolly damaged the pcb as well	22:43
MohammadAG	why do you have it then	22:43
realitygaps	MohammadAG: ?	22:44
realitygaps	cehteh: yep some of the pcb came out (tiny bits)	22:44
* cehteh grinded the charger clamps down		22:44
MohammadAG	why do you have the preproduction metal?	22:44
cehteh	at least the charger plugs easily now	22:44
realitygaps	MohammadAG: i was at the amsterdam summit	22:44
MohammadAG	oh i thought you had to return them	22:44
cehteh	realitygaps: it quite certainly damaged the copper connections on the pcb too	22:44
realitygaps	MohammadAG: not yet, in april	22:45
MohammadAG	in january	22:45
cehteh	let it be fixed by nokia/get replacement	22:45
MohammadAG	oh jj	22:45
realitygaps	cehteh: likely... i dont think theyd replace a summit model	22:45
MohammadAG	kk*	22:45
cehteh	you may try	22:45
realitygaps	loads and loads of n900s at fosdem this weekend :)	22:45
cehteh	if not you can try by yourself	22:45
MohammadAG	just kline Guest17851 already	22:46
cehteh	but otherwise around, trying to fix by yourself would quite certain void any warranty if there is one	22:46
MohammadAG	keeps spamming via pm	22:46
Stskeeps	realitygaps: good - more freerunners or more n900s?	22:46
realitygaps	cehteh: no warranty on preproduction (or on developer discount models as far as i remember)	22:46
realitygaps	Stskeeps: i noticed more n900's but lots of iphones too	22:46
cehteh	well maybe they still would do that as voluntary support	22:46
cehteh	why do you ask anyways if you dont care	22:47
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realitygaps	cehteh: its possible. honestly i dont mind but im just wary to buy one if the same will happen	22:47
cehteh	dunno what kind of pcb the n900 has but multilayer boards are almost unfixable	22:47
cehteh	iirc thats not 'properly' fixed as in using a non surface mounted connector	22:48
realitygaps	cehteh: thanks for the info. I do care very much, the n900 is one of my favourite things ever	22:48
cehteh	maybe they improved the production to make it bit better but there are still reports and they exchange it on sold devices	22:49
MohammadAG	mine's pretty sturdy	22:49
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cehteh	until it breaks	22:49
MohammadAG	hasn't moved on the inside (yet&	22:49
realitygaps	exactly.. mine was sturdy up until the end	22:49
MohammadAG	)*	22:49
cehteh	the soldering comes off, means its hard and then suddenly falls off	22:49
* MohammadAG gulps		22:50
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cehteh	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37107&page=13	22:51
realitygaps	cehteh: thx	22:51
shamus	maby they cut cost by not soderign all the conectiosn securely?	22:52
cehteh	i doubt it replacing costs more :P	22:52
cehteh	but they cut costy by not using a connector which crimps on the pcb	22:53
shamus	ok shoty conector deisne?	22:53
cehteh	means they designed the pcb not to have any holes not requireing holes	22:53
cehteh	that saves a whole manufacturing step and a lot costs	22:54
cehteh	http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com/2009/12/13/connecting-on-the-surface-an-n900-risk/	22:54
GAN900	Jaffa, ping?	22:58
GAN900	Jaffa, date format as dd Month yyyy?	22:58
MohammadAG	UPDATE: Nokia reports that the problem was fixed for production devices. I do not know details	22:59
MohammadAG	reassuring	22:59
* MohammadAG gulps again		22:59
MohammadAG	my query assy isn't sturdy :/	22:59
realitygaps	MohammadAG: not reassuring as people with production modules are having the same issues	23:00
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realitygaps	but possibly only early production models	23:00
realitygaps	its still unclear	23:00
MohammadAG	thinking about buying a replacement for 7 euros	23:00
MohammadAG	mine's a late december one	23:00
MohammadAG	hw revision 2101	23:00
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MohammadAG	* Guest17851 Þã ÈÒíÇÑÊäÇ Ýí ÔÈßÉ ÇáãÍÇÏËå æ ÇÍÕá Úáì ÈæÊÇÊ + åæÓÊ ÎÇÕ æãÌÇäí ¡ äÊãäÇ ÒíÇÑÊßã ÈÃÓÑÚ æÞÊ ¡¡ äÃÓÝ ááÃÒÚÇÌ /server IRC.ForChat.Net	23:02
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MohammadAG	:/	23:02
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doubleukay	that chair snagging has broken my nokia charger (the small pin type) too many times to count	23:03
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newbie005	hi, I'm trying to ssh from my n900 to a desktop which would act as the server, I can ping both ways but get a "no route to host" from the "ssh user@192.." command on the phone	23:10
kynky	could be lots of things , check logs on server ?	23:11
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doubleukay	can you confirm with a "netstat -lnt" on the phone that ssh is running?	23:11
newbie005	kynky: thanks I'll try it	23:11
newbie005	doublekey: i et a single entry tcp 0 127.0.0.1:53 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN	23:13
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henkie-	is there an easy way for starting a custom script when clicking on a link with an associated mime-type? (using N900)	23:13
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doubleukay	newbie005: if ssh is running you should also see a - tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN	23:14
doubleukay	(note the 0.0.0.0:22)	23:14
doubleukay	perhaps you can check why it didn't start?	23:14
doubleukay	or reboot :)	23:14
newbie005	I did change it to 2222	23:14
doubleukay	ah I see	23:14
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newbie005	on the server I do see a 2222 actually 2 one in a 0.0.0.0 format and the other in :::2222 format	23:15
kynky	so you can connect to ssh from box it served on ?	23:15
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kynky	ssh -p 2222 user@localhost	23:16
newbie005	kynky: do you mean ssh from the desktop to the desktop ?	23:16
uhsf	i just received the first call on my n900!	23:16
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ljp	was it spam?	23:16
doubleukay	sorry, I misunderstood that you wanted to ssh to the phone.	23:16
uhsf	it was my mother!	23:16
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kynky	ssh from phone to desktop	23:17
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kynky	but check you can do it from desktop to itself first	23:17
newbie005	I can do it from the desktop to the desktop,, actually I get a security error about not having the public key file	23:18
uhsf	i tested my shure music phone adapter connected with my etymotics er-4 earphones and it works great	23:18
Proteous	just figured out that the n900 remember different volume settings for headphone vs internal speakers	23:18
newbie005	could it be a firewall thing with the router?	23:18
Proteous	just love the little things that are well thought out	23:18
doubleukay	newbie005: got another device to test it with?	23:19
doubleukay	failing which, if you undertand tcpdump's output try running it on the desktop to confirm if it's seeing a SYN to its port 2222 from the phoen	23:19
kynky	shouldnt be a firewll thing on router as you no crossing nets, it could be your iptables if you got that setup , allow.hosts in /etc , the listenon address in sshd.conf	23:20
newbie005	doublekay: my only other computer is some windows 7 that hasn't been formatted yet	23:20
newbie005	meaning it's not yet running fedora	23:20
kynky	try putty from win7	23:20
doubleukay	don't think it's hosts.allow, as that blocks above the tcp stack	23:20
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kynky	which ssh client u install on n900 ?	23:21
kynky	openssh or dropbear ?	23:21
yuizy	openssh	23:21
keesj_	openssh	23:21
newbie005	kynky: not sure, I think it was an apt-get install ssh-client	23:21
kynky	i only tried openssh. it works for me	23:21
Jaffa	GAN900: As default; but I tried to be locale sensitive (e.g. for the PUSH N900 US stuff)	23:22
kynky	using apt-get isnt wise i thought	23:22
newbie005	is there a command to disable the firewall on the desktop?	23:22
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newbie005	kynky: how come?	23:22
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kynky	iptables -F (as root) (but only do if you know what your doing)	23:22
newbie005	I definatly do not know what i'm doing	23:23
doubleukay	newbie005: if you're sure about it, iptables -F; iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT	23:23
kynky	newbie005, you should really use the inbuilt package manager	23:23
kynky	the gui one, reduces problems	23:23
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newbie005	there is a service I can stop.. I'll try that	23:23
kynky	enable add repositories, but be careful which reposotories you add, some are dangerous	23:24
newbie005	I'm not going to touch the test or dev repos	23:24
newbie005	ok that worked	23:24
newbie005	I did a service iptables stop on the desktop and then I could get a security error on the phone	23:25
kynky	looks like you need to permanantly add a rule then	23:25
newbie005	kynky: any idea of how to do that	23:25
kynky	depends on how its configured	23:25
doubleukay	knowing your distro will be a good start..	23:26
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newbie005	I'll see what I can find out	23:26
newbie005	thanks!!	23:26
doubleukay	:)	23:26
kynky	could be as simple as an iptables-restore from an rc.local script, but depends on your distro	23:26
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kynky	good thing your box isnt directly connected to internet, as iptables -F , coulda made things insecure , but good you running sshd on a non default port	23:27
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newbie005	it was an iptables rule, I'm now getting a security error! woo hoo!	23:34
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Arif_	damn you TNT, why don't you deliver packages on Sundays ;(	23:36
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newbie005	I'm dealing with an ssh Permission denied error. I setup a public / private key file. In googling the error it was suggested that I check the permissions of thoes files. However on the phone I'm not seeing a ~/.ssh directory	23:49
doubleukay	how did you generate the public/private keys?	23:51
Vanadis	anybody installed openarene from devel?	23:51
Vanadis	*arena	23:51
newbie005	doublekay: I dont quite remember,, I'll look it up. I had originaly set this up a month ago and I'm just coming back to it	23:51
kynky	Vanadis, yep	23:52
newbie005	doublekay: I did a ssh-keygen -t rsa	23:52
doubleukay	on the phone?	23:52
Vanadis	kynky, any comments? is the Phone fast enough?	23:53
Damion2	is nowave7 somebody on here?	23:53
kynky	when you install ssh server it should generat key afaik, then on client it should accept public key and store in authorised_keys file	23:53
newbie005	doublekay: no on the server	23:53
doubleukay	newbie005: aha. what do you want to do? ssh from the phone, to the desktop which is the ssh server?	23:54
kynky	Vanadis, yep it fast enough, plays q3 better though, because of better textures	23:54
Vanadis	okay	23:54
doubleukay	q3 on the n900? no way :P	23:54
newbie005	doublekay: yes	23:54
doubleukay	lemme check that out	23:54
doubleukay	newbie005: in that case you'd wanna run ssh-keygen on the phone :)	23:55
Vanadis	i played q3 on my old N95	23:55
newbie005	doublekay: ah ok thanks	23:55
kynky	n900 got more horses	23:55
doubleukay	you can use ssh-copy-id to transfer the key to your computer.. it's kinda convenient	23:55
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newbie005	doublekay: can I do this as non-root?	23:55
doubleukay	Vanadis: ah ok. evidently I've been out of touch with phone capabilities :(	23:55
doubleukay	yes	23:56
Vanadis	well i give q3 and openarena a try	23:56
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zerojay	My friend came over and complained that I didn't have cable so we could watch the Superbowl.	23:57
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zerojay	5 minutes later, I'm streaming it from justin.tv to my 40" TV with my N900 and the video out cable.	23:57
zerojay	He's in love.	23:57
SpeedEvil	http://animal.discovery.com/tv/puppy-bowl/about.html	23:57
SpeedEvil	:)	23:57
kynky	zerojay, is the image darker than it should be ?	23:58
simoneb_	any pointer on how to make a transparent widget with gtk?	23:58
zerojay	Kind of blows my mind even that my phone can stream it better than my PS3 can.	23:58
zerojay	kynky: Maybe a little, but I just adjust my brightness on the TV a little bit.	23:58
kynky	i tried video out (pal), was a little dark	23:59
zerojay	Yeah, it is a little dark, but I'm not sure if it's just the stream or what.	23:59
N900evil	there are so many 'oh - it shlould just work moments'.	23:59

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