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| simoneb_ | does somebody know why fcrontab looks for vi in "/scratchbox/tools/bin/vi" and if there is a way to change it? | 00:01 |
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| simoneb_ | export EDITOR=vim seems to do the trick | 00:01 |
| Damion2 | which cron is fcrontab? I'm used to dillon cron (old slackware days) and busybox | 00:03 |
| simoneb_ | good question ... i've found fcrontab for the n900 | 00:04 |
| Damion2 | dunno what we have at work, prolly what ubuntu default to | 00:04 |
| simoneb_ | i think it's developed by ruskie | 00:04 |
| simoneb_ | don't know if its a crontab port or what, sincerely | 00:04 |
| Damion2 | developed by or ported | 00:04 |
| simoneb_ | uhm... make that "packaged" | 00:04 |
| Damion2 | yeah. useful nonetheless | 00:04 |
| simoneb_ | i'm setting automatic profile switching with crontab | 00:05 |
| Quibus | good night folks | 00:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | Intersting. | 00:06 |
| simoneb_ | yeah, but quite a mess | 00:06 |
| simoneb_ | a lot of things have to be done by hand | 00:06 |
| SpeedEvil | This 360 survey thing app is logging practically everything on the device. | 00:06 |
| simoneb_ | ops. wasn't for me i guess. | 00:06 |
| jebba | can someone (else) confirm that this catalog works fine for them: | 00:06 |
| jebba | http://obra.freemoe.org/obra.install | 00:06 |
| ShadowJK | how much space does it need? | 00:07 |
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| jebba | ShadowJK: it's just the repo list itself, not an actual package. That said, the list may be a meg or two. | 00:09 |
| zaheerm | lcuk, i haven't uploaded them yet, i have scanned about 1/2 of them so far..will upload and scan rest to wiki tomorrow and friday | 00:10 |
| lcuk | oh cool zaheerm :D | 00:10 |
| greenfly | if you wanted to move the /home/user to a different mount point (ie on a microSD card) on the n900 after the device is booted, how would you go about it? | 00:11 |
| zaheerm | lcuk, delay is my fault, due to a month/6 weeks of illness straight after bcn , forgetfulness | 00:11 |
| greenfly | I mean beyond just the basic mount commands | 00:11 |
| zaheerm | s/,/and/ | 00:11 |
| infobot | zaheerm meant: lcukand delay is my fault, due to a month/6 weeks of illness straight after bcn , forgetfulness | 00:11 |
| greenfly | how would you go about having processes with open files start to use the new mount? | 00:11 |
| zaheerm | shit my regex broke ;) | 00:11 |
| lcuk | zaheerm, indeed, we have all been doing different things, it surprised me how time has flown | 00:11 |
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| zaheerm | yes, majorly | 00:12 |
| Damion2 | simoneb_: what do you mean done by hand? iirc profile change is a gconf oneliner | 00:12 |
| lcuk | you comingto fosdem? | 00:12 |
| zaheerm | yep | 00:12 |
| Damion2 | doesn't the calendar app allow executing arbitrary cmds? | 00:12 |
| zaheerm | i am on eurostar first one on saturday | 00:12 |
| lcuk | wicked, shall see you there hopefully | 00:12 |
| zaheerm | yep, haven't had time to see where maemo related stuff is there | 00:13 |
| simoneb_ | Damion2: i never heard about gconf... and don't know about the calendar sorry | 00:13 |
| Damion2 | when I tried busybox cron it worked but needed crontab setuid root so it could hub crond | 00:13 |
| zaheerm | embedded and cross desktop track i guess right? | 00:13 |
| simoneb_ | Damion2: i thought cron wasn't installed on the n900 | 00:13 |
| Damion2 | simoneb_: how are you switching profile withoutg gconftool-2 ? | 00:13 |
| simoneb_ | Damion2: dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.profiled /com/nokia/profiled com.nokia.profiled.set_profile string:"silent" | 00:13 |
| Damion2 | simoneb_: it's not, I put a bigger busybox on | 00:14 |
| lcuk | not looked myself get some things @home taking up time | 00:14 |
| lcuk | got | 00:14 |
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| Damion2 | oh sorry dbus rather than gconf! | 00:14 |
| simoneb_ | Damion2: but ... there is some better option than fcron? because it looks good but needs some hand tweaking | 00:15 |
| simoneb_ | Damion2: like, manually editing /etc/event.d/rcS-late to start it up on boot | 00:15 |
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| Damion2 | that's not much effort | 00:15 |
| Damion2 | I can't see arbitrary cmd execution on alarm, just double checked | 00:16 |
| simoneb_ | well, i was going to write a guide, it has gone much beyond the "anybody could do it" i thought at first | 00:17 |
| Damion2 | heh | 00:17 |
| simoneb_ | maybe "every VI user could do it" would describe it better | 00:17 |
| autarch | I got my n900 to show up in rhythmbox by the method described at https://wiki.maemo.org/Getting_media_content_onto_your_tablet | 00:17 |
| autarch | adding a .is_audio_player file worked | 00:17 |
| Damion2 | EDITOR could point to some gui editor | 00:18 |
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| simoneb_ | uhm, good point | 00:18 |
| Damion2 | simoneb_: tbh those geeky enough to think of timed profiles probably can install cron | 00:18 |
| simoneb_ | lol.. | 00:19 |
| Damion2 | the rest can pay £3 for a gui app from the store | 00:19 |
| simoneb_ | or lazy enough | 00:19 |
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| Damion2 | tax for the non technically competant | 00:19 |
| simoneb_ | i'll write an app for that and become rich | 00:19 |
| simoneb_ | well maybe i'll have a couple of free beers | 00:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Do it. | 00:20 |
| Damion2 | fsvo rich | 00:20 |
| simoneb_ | fsvo? | 00:20 |
| Damion2 | for some value of | 00:20 |
| simoneb_ | haha | 00:20 |
| Damion2 | it's a common maths term | 00:20 |
| simoneb_ | 3£ richer of course | 00:20 |
| Damion2 | normally fsvo x | 00:20 |
| Damion2 | well merkins will pay only $3 | 00:21 |
| ml-mobile | considering you have to set up a corporation and buy insurance, it might be a while before you can have a beer | 00:22 |
| Damion2 | insurance? | 00:22 |
| ml-mobile | yeah | 00:22 |
| Damion2 | surely you can just not sell to those litigious americans and be okay with none | 00:23 |
| timeless_mbp | autarch: | 00:23 |
| ml-mobile | nokia wanted you to show proof of $1million before they'd let you into the Ovi Store | 00:23 |
| timeless_mbp | so we were supposed to look at the .is_audio_player | 00:23 |
| timeless_mbp | but the problem i had was the total lack of any documentation for that file | 00:23 |
| Damion2 | proof you have $1mil? | 00:23 |
| simoneb_ | yay, it worked | 00:23 |
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| ml-mobile | Damion2: proof of $1m in insurance | 00:24 |
| ml-mobile | Damion2: the thing is that neither Apple or Google require so much as your name, contact info, and an account number | 00:24 |
| Damion2 | wow that sounds hard to achieve for all but the most keen software dedvelopers | 00:24 |
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| ml-mobile | not hard, but annoying | 00:25 |
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| ml-mobile | certainly enough to send you to Apple, or Google | 00:25 |
| Damion2 | what is the premium like for that? | 00:25 |
| ml-mobile | no idea | 00:25 |
| * Damion2 has an idea for a business ;) | 00:26 | |
| Stskeeps | not that high | 00:26 |
| mikhas | aktually, it keeps the fart apps out, no? | 00:26 |
| ml-mobile | it keeps more than just that | 00:26 |
| mikhas | and, well, to some extent even malicious apps | 00:26 |
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| Damion2 | I wonder why s2putty never bothered with the store. It's an app everyone I know on symbian installed | 00:27 |
| ml-mobile | if the developer was EU based, they may not have wanted to incorporate and get a VAT ID | 00:29 |
| mikhas | huh? there is absolutely no need to push your free-as-in-beer app to your customers via ovi | 00:29 |
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| ShadowJK | jebba: considering enabling extras-devel needs about 10 megs atleast? | 00:29 |
| ml-mobile | mikhas: sure there is | 00:29 |
| mikhas | and what about extras? | 00:29 |
| ml-mobile | easier to find, gets more attention | 00:30 |
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| mikhas | then pay for it | 00:30 |
| mikhas | advertisement is, shockingly, not free | 00:30 |
| ml-mobile | for a free app? | 00:30 |
| ml-mobile | well then you're better off going to Google or Apple | 00:30 |
| ml-mobile | since the upfront costs are more reasonable | 00:31 |
| jebba | ShadowJK: i have all extras repos enabled and the etch one and my /var/cache/apt is 13M | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I recalled that the requirement for insurance has gone away | 00:31 |
| mikhas | the upfront costs to get an app to your client, with maemo, is exactly 0 | 00:31 |
| ShadowJK | Why would a developer want to become a sole trader or whatever to get VAT ID, and then pay nokia money to have a free app on ovi store? | 00:31 |
| mikhas | via extras | 00:31 |
| ml-mobile | SpeedEvil: that's an improvement | 00:31 |
| ShadowJK | iirc Apple upfront costs are higher? | 00:31 |
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| mikhas | the developer program? yeah | 00:32 |
| ml-mobile | $99 if you have the mac already/hackintosh | 00:32 |
| mikhas | you have a limited amount of serials free | 00:32 |
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| mikhas | back in school, $0 < $99 | 00:32 |
| mikhas | that might have change in the meantime, dunno | 00:32 |
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| simoneb_ | for those who are interested, here is my guide for timed profiles on the n900: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=509451#post509451 | 00:33 |
| SpeedEvil | mikhas: depends what quality of school :) | 00:33 |
| ml-mobile | extras is also disabled by default | 00:33 |
| dmj726 | hi shinkamui | 00:33 |
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| ShadowJK | iirc one of the popular s60 spotify/lastfm/whatever apps had a donation drive to fund its listing on ovi :) | 00:33 |
| dmj726 | ml-mobile: I would think that most enable it. | 00:33 |
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| dmj726 | excepting people who don't get apps anyway. | 00:34 |
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| ml-mobile | dmj726: sure, but if Nokia gets Maemo to a larger audience? no guarantees | 00:34 |
| Solpete_n900 | im happy with n900 the way it is | 00:35 |
| dmj726 | I see your point. Mainstream folks might not even know it's there. | 00:35 |
| ml-mobile | hell the Engadget review missed it completely | 00:36 |
| ShadowJK | nah, just look at the horde of users breaking ota upgrade with random -devel crap | 00:36 |
| dmj726 | I was frankly surprised at that. | 00:36 |
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| pupnik_ | there is a lot missing from N900 that some people want. look over the fence | 00:36 |
| ShadowJK | I want NEP! | 00:36 |
| dmj726 | maps, some more games, video editor, usb host mode... | 00:37 |
| ShadowJK | and for sygic to release :) | 00:37 |
| Solpete_n900 | ya sugic would be good!! | 00:37 |
| dmj726 | proper painting app | 00:37 |
| pupnik_ | dmj726: i agree with | 00:37 |
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| dmj726 | I personally can't wait for mypaint | 00:38 |
| ShadowJK | iptables | 00:38 |
| ShadowJK | wifi that doesn't randomly stop working | 00:39 |
| simoneb_ | perhaps the n900 lacks something but it can also do stuff other devices can't | 00:39 |
| ShadowJK | wifi that doesn't randomly start consuming power | 00:39 |
| ShadowJK | 3g/gsm that doesn't randomly decide to silently stop working | 00:39 |
| ShadowJK | etc | 00:39 |
| simoneb_ | like playing a NES emulator with a bluetooth console pad | 00:39 |
| * ShadowJK has all the apps he wants already pretty much :/ | 00:39 | |
| ShadowJK | oh, an email client | 00:40 |
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| ShadowJK | that doesn't choke on anything but minimal mailboxen | 00:40 |
| * ShadowJK has one with 12000 unread mails :( | 00:41 | |
| pupnik_ | that is srs sir | 00:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | wifi just works for me | 00:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Indeed | 00:42 |
| ShadowJK | mine stops working about twice a month | 00:42 |
| simoneb_ | wifi has to be restarted sometimes for me.. | 00:42 |
| ShadowJK | half the time unloading and reloading the kernel module fixes it | 00:42 |
| dmj726 | hi lcuk | 00:43 |
| ShadowJK | ansd half the time it needs a reboot | 00:43 |
| Vanadis | hai | 00:43 |
| ShadowJK | 3g/gsm slightly less flaky, and there going offline for awhile fixes | 00:43 |
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| autarch | is there any way to get the browser to show up in portrait mode? | 00:44 |
| simoneb_ | why i see the mediaplayer running in "top" even if i don't have it running? | 00:44 |
| dmj726 | autarch: yes | 00:44 |
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| simoneb_ | autarch: try ctrl-shit-p and then rotate your device | 00:44 |
| dmj726 | ctrl+shift+o | 00:44 |
| simoneb_ | yeah, ctrl-shift-o, sorry | 00:44 |
| SpeedEvil | simoneb_: many things carry on running to save on launch time | 00:44 |
| SpeedEvil | look at camera forex | 00:44 |
| simoneb_ | SpeedEvil: doesn't it chew on battery? | 00:45 |
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| simoneb_ | maybe they're just on a very small load... none of them is >0.0 cpu | 00:45 |
| SpeedEvil | simoneb_: no. | 00:46 |
| solpete2 | any kool apps lately? | 00:46 |
| greenfly | it's more to do with them staying resident in RAM | 00:46 |
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| dmj726 | I had an idea for a cool one. | 00:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | simoneb_: stiff that is just in RAM doesn't use any power at all unless it runs | 00:46 |
| ShadowJK | they dont use cpu to stay loaded in ram | 00:46 |
| dmj726 | Has anyone seen Sita Sings the Blues? | 00:46 |
| simoneb_ | that makes sense | 00:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | simoneb_: Most of the apps - camera for example - does not run at all unless hte user presses the button | 00:46 |
| autarch | dmj726: it's an amazing film | 00:46 |
| autarch | totally fucking brilliant | 00:47 |
| dmj726 | I think it'd be awesome to make a game based on it for the n900 | 00:47 |
| autarch | save sita! | 00:47 |
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| ShadowJK | of course some badly written/behaving apps can consume power from just being open, but I think most apps included on n900 by default are well behaved | 00:47 |
| dmj726 | I started a thread just a bit ago on tmo | 00:47 |
| simoneb_ | ShadowJK: what about the widgets? i've heard that leaving the desktop on a page with many widgets will draw more power? | 00:48 |
| greenfly | some widgets are set to update only when that desktop has focus | 00:48 |
| Vanadis | is there any way to increase the performance on mplayer? | 00:48 |
| ShadowJK | the facebook widget is allegedly terrible either way :) | 00:48 |
| dmj726 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43297 | 00:48 |
| greenfly | so if that desktop is up, they'll update routinely | 00:48 |
| simoneb_ | ShadowJK: i've always wondered if my eyes widget moves even if the screen is of. more or less like the one who wondered if the light inside the fridge is on when the fridge is closed... | 00:48 |
| dmj726 | autarch: that's the one | 00:49 |
| Vanadis | i use -framedrop but its not perfect... | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | simoneb_: strace is your friend | 00:49 |
| autarch | dmj726: I was suggesting that'd be the game ;) | 00:49 |
| ShadowJK | powetop, lock keypad, wait a minute, look at results | 00:49 |
| simoneb_ | powetop? | 00:49 |
| ShadowJK | Vanadis: what kind of file? | 00:49 |
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| ShadowJK | powertop | 00:49 |
| simoneb_ | i don't have that command | 00:49 |
| ShadowJK | well that sucks :) | 00:50 |
| greenfly | heh | 00:50 |
| * ShadowJK wonders if there's a bug report | 00:50 | |
| autarch | I am do not get this ctrl-shift-o thing | 00:50 |
| dmj726 | autarch: feel free to put some suggestions in to show support for the game! | 00:50 |
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| * pupnik_ ponders how to get people to stop being lame and useless | 00:50 | |
| autarch | I hit that, then closed the phone and turned it | 00:50 |
| autarch | no love | 00:50 |
| pupnik_ | free coffee? | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik_: napalm. | 00:51 |
| dmj726 | autarch: you may need to restart the browser | 00:51 |
| autarch | oh, didn't realize I had to have it open already | 00:51 |
| ShadowJK | heh | 00:51 |
| simoneb_ | uhm, nevermind, i do have powertop, i was looking into my laptop's terminal :P | 00:51 |
| Vanadis | ShadowJK, it's a matroska container | 00:51 |
| Vanadis | give me 2 secs for more informations | 00:51 |
| ShadowJK | what about the video? h264? resolution? | 00:51 |
| SpeedEvil | where is powertop? | 00:52 |
| simoneb_ | SpeedEvil: i had it already installed | 00:52 |
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| ShadowJK | I think it goes away if you reflash | 00:54 |
| autarch | so when I hit ctrl-shift-o at the desktop, should anything happen? | 00:54 |
| simoneb_ | autarch: you should do it in the browser | 00:55 |
| autarch | gah, this is incredibly hard to do | 00:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | autarch, why is it hard? | 00:55 |
| autarch | that didn't seem to do anything | 00:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Close the keyboard, rotate. | 00:56 |
| Vanadis | ShadowJK: 720*480@25FPS, AVC | 00:56 |
| autarch | GeneralAntilles: cause my fingers are too big to hit those keys simulataneously | 00:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | autarch, thumb, index finger. | 00:56 |
| autarch | GeneralAntilles: yeah, maybe with your dainty little hands ;) | 00:56 |
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| ShadowJK | Vanadis: that's right at the limit of what it can do ime | 00:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | autarch, be aware that portrait in the browser is an easter-egg testing feature only. | 00:56 |
| Mozillion | try the one for the terminal.. it's the worst keycombo ever! | 00:56 |
| ShadowJK | -lavdopts fast:skiploopfilter=all | 00:56 |
| Vanadis | okay, then i'll stick with it | 00:56 |
| ShadowJK | could help slightly | 00:56 |
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| dmj726 | you have to be in the browers to do portrait | 00:57 |
| Loreley | hi all | 00:57 |
| ShadowJK | yes you have | 00:57 |
| mikhas | shift + ctrl + p is bad enough for me | 00:57 |
| solpete2 | hey | 00:57 |
| autarch | ok, by shift do you mean the arrow pointing up in th elower left? | 00:57 |
| Vanadis | okay, gonna try that, but it's not bad, my old N95 8GB couldn't even handle this | 00:57 |
| dmj726 | yes | 00:57 |
| mikhas | actually, anything requiring shift + ctrl =( | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | autarch, no, the one that shifts characters. | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | autarch, the blue arrow is fn. | 00:57 |
| jebba | can some others test this repo for me to make sure they can install the catalog? http://obra.freemoe.org/obra.install | 00:57 |
| Loreley | tomorrow, i'll get the nokia N900 | 00:57 |
| autarch | GeneralAntilles: yes, that's why we call it "shift" ;) | 00:57 |
| Loreley | any issue with some networks? | 00:57 |
| dmj726 | Loreley: cool | 00:57 |
| Vanadis | Loreley, congrats | 00:57 |
| Loreley | not easy to get the N900 in France | 00:58 |
| dmj726 | Loreley: what network are you on? | 00:58 |
| Loreley | Orange | 00:58 |
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| dmj726 | I wouldn't know about France? | 00:58 |
| Loreley | Orange for mobile | 00:58 |
| autarch | so it's ctrl + blue arrow + o (as in the letter o)? | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | autarch, it's the key with the shift symbol that's been on nearly every keyboard manufactured since the 70s. ;) | 00:58 |
| dmj726 | no, the white arrow | 00:58 |
| Loreley | i've refused to buy the Apple phone iDont | 00:58 |
| ShadowJK | Vanadis: h264 baseline profile instead of h264 main would probably play in built-in media player with the extra decoders support thing installed, and would be able to use the dsp accelerated codecs | 00:58 |
| autarch | GeneralAntilles: yeah, that's damn hard to hit along with the control key | 00:58 |
| solpete2 | For your information: my CPU is between 0.3-1 % most of the time when i SSH into my fone and check "top". I think its quite good considering I got facebook, msn and google chat running in the background. | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | autarch, they're sticky. | 00:59 |
| dmj726 | Loreley: THis is pretty much the opposite of the ithing | 00:59 |
| autarch | haha, did it! | 00:59 |
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| mikhas | ah, iDont was beautiful | 00:59 |
| ShadowJK | top isn't good for measuring cpu use that impacts standby time | 00:59 |
| dmj726 | ctrl+shift+o again to turn it back off if you don't like it | 00:59 |
| mikhas | should be the first video a flashed N900 plays =) | 00:59 |
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| dmj726 | n900 Does? | 01:00 |
| Vanadis | ShadowJK, yeah, but with the built-in one i can't choose the audio channel | 01:00 |
| autarch | one of the main reasons I got a smartphone was to develop a mobile-friendlier version of http://vegguide.org, so this is very helpful | 01:00 |
| Loreley | most of coders are from Finland i guess | 01:01 |
| dmj726 | keep in mind the n900 tends to be very unlike most mobile browsers | 01:01 |
| autarch | well, I'm mostly interested in layout issues | 01:01 |
| Vanadis | -lavdopts fast:skiploopfilter=all, doesn't work, i guess i'll stick with -framedrop | 01:01 |
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| ShadowJK | vanadis: forgot the - in -lavdopts ? | 01:01 |
| autarch | dmj726: is there something specific you're thinking of? | 01:01 |
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| dmj726 | more pixels, different rendering engine, etc | 01:02 |
| autarch | I thought it was the same resolution as the Nexus One? | 01:02 |
| dmj726 | I haven't seen the nexus | 01:02 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:02 |
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| dmj726 | just don't count on pages seeming anything like the iphone's/ | 01:02 |
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| Loreley | to follow the use of my communications with my mobile, i have to call the #123#...but with the N900, it doesnt work because of the # | 01:03 |
| Loreley | any fix for that? | 01:03 |
| autarch | I thought webkit and firefox were pretty similar in terms of rendering standards compliant html & css | 01:03 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 01:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Loreley, http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5357 | 01:09 |
| povbot | Bug 5357: Does not accept GSM (USSD) Codes starting with *# | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | autarch, superficially, yes. | 01:09 |
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| embedded | Hi all | 01:10 |
| Dassu | hello | 01:10 |
| embedded | Is there some Maemo Garage maintainer? | 01:11 |
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| jebba | can some others test this repo for me to make sure they can install the catalog? http://obra.freemoe.org/obra.install | 01:11 |
| embedded | no one?!? | 01:12 |
| crashanddie | Sorry, at work, no wifi here | 01:12 |
| crashanddie | We need an application that will populate the HAM with secondary repositories | 01:12 |
| pupnik_ | works jebba | 01:13 |
| jebba | crashanddie: why an app? you just need to click on an .install and done. Like a web page with .installs could do it. But I dont think they want many outside repos. | 01:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, er? | 01:13 |
| Loreley | oh ok..thank you | 01:14 |
| jebba | pupnik_: thx :) | 01:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Loreley, just wait for the next software update. | 01:14 |
| crashanddie | jebba & GeneralAntilles: web app is fine, but we just need a link in the app folder. | 01:14 |
| Loreley | when will it occure? | 01:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, to do what? | 01:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Loreley, dunno, but March/April seems like a reasonable bet. | 01:14 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: show what repo is closest to you geographically | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, for mirrors? | 01:15 |
| jebba | crashanddie: ah, you talking mirrors? Or totally different repos? | 01:15 |
| crashanddie | yeah, mirrors | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'cause Akamai already handles that. | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah | 01:15 |
| pupnik_ | updates is crawling along still jebba | 01:15 |
| crashanddie | well, we've seen Akamai doesn't handle it very well when there's a massive upgrade | 01:15 |
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| Vanadis | ShadowJK, the mkv works now -> closed everything else in the background | 01:15 |
| jebba | ya, akamai voodoo should auto select that. They do it based on what nameservers you use. | 01:15 |
| jebba | pupnik_: it's a repo twice the size of extras-devel... | 01:16 |
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| jebba | pupnik_: if it's a long download, i can set up a repo pointer in amazon's cloud too. | 01:18 |
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| * ShadowJK isn't convinced akamai fucked up :) | 01:18 | |
| Loreley | for the update, it's better to use the nokia software updater? or other procedure exists | 01:19 |
| pupnik_ | where is the caveats page? what is the apt-cache search to show just your debs? | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Loreley, use the Application Manager. | 01:19 |
| pupnik_ | i could use a repo for some handmade debs | 01:20 |
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| jebba | pupnik_: `apt-cache search . | sort | less` | 01:22 |
| jebba | that will show all debs, not just the etch ones. I don't know how to apt-cache search in just a particular repo. | 01:22 |
| pupnik_ | heh. internal error ? app manager closed! | 01:22 |
| pupnik_ | need log | 01:23 |
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| ifreq | nice when you define listen to: IP on sshd.conf it wont get up on boot even.. only gets up when its connected to right network :) | 01:24 |
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| ifreq | a bit more security | 01:24 |
| ifreq | anyone know whats behind tcp/21 (ftp) , it seems to be open publicly | 01:25 |
| ifreq | +some other ports too | 01:25 |
| * SpeedEvil is currently wondering why I can ssh to root - buyt not user | 01:25 | |
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| SpeedEvil | onthe phone | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, user doesn't have a password? | 01:25 |
| SpeedEvil | .ssh/* is identical and perms ar right | 01:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I added one | 01:25 |
| SpeedEvil | and sshing asks for and accepts password | 01:25 |
| SpeedEvil | it seemed to break after installing the survey app | 01:26 |
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| pupnik_ | cannot reproduce crash jebba - nm | 01:26 |
| ifreq | would be nice to add commands on network profiles | 01:26 |
| ifreq | like when i connect to home LAN --> start sshd | 01:26 |
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| ifreq | humm | 01:27 |
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| nomis | omg. /me just watches a stupid SMS lottery thingie with a N900 as the price. | 01:29 |
| Matthew- | nomis: what country? | 01:29 |
| felipec | zaheerm: I finally managed to reproduce your crash... I think it's fixed now: http://people.freedesktop.org/~felipec/pecan/telepathy-msn-pecan_0.1.0~rc3-0maemo4_armel.deb | 01:29 |
| nomis | Matthew-: Germany. | 01:29 |
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| Matthew- | :-) | 01:30 |
| Matthew- | What's PyQT ? | 01:31 |
| nomis | with a questlin in the style of "who is the fat kid in south park: a) Cartman, b) Bart Simpson" | 01:31 |
| range | nomis: Stop watching Comedy Channel. | 01:31 |
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| range | :) | 01:31 |
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| nomis | range: it is a bad habit... | 01:32 |
| Nitial | it's comedy central :P | 01:32 |
| felipec | zaheerm: however, I would like to know if you have tp-haze or tp-butterfly installed | 01:32 |
| range | It's the only channel I ever saw that ad. | 01:32 |
| range | Or lottery or whatever. | 01:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1265238594016.png (worksafe) | 01:40 |
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| lupine_85 | probably liez | 01:41 |
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| Vanadis | SpeedEvil, old -.- | 01:41 |
| luke-jr | Matthew-: lets you write GUI apps in Python | 01:42 |
| lupine_85 | heh | 01:42 |
| Vanadis | well, good night everyone | 01:42 |
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| Matthew- | luke-jr: thx | 01:43 |
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| Arkenoi | just tried maepad.. not exactly what i expected: no way to combine sketeches and text in a single note :-( | 01:45 |
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| nomis | the actual question btw. is "who works in the school canteen: a) the police chief or b) the cook? | 01:54 |
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| FRX | hello, | 02:10 |
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| FRX | possible to download an application from the extras-devel repository without adding the repository ? | 02:12 |
| FRX | as in , download the application and its deps manually. | 02:13 |
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| Ken-Young | FRX, Yes, that can be done. | 02:13 |
| pupnik_ | yes | 02:13 |
| pupnik_ | wget foo \ dpkg -i foo | 02:13 |
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| pupnik_ | i wonder if i could put the sdk packages in a mounted image on mmc | 02:15 |
| SWFu | I want to create the debs for a couple of tools called driftnet and dsniff anyone point me at where to start. | 02:15 |
| pupnik_ | 1 install the sdk or vmware sdk or MADD | 02:16 |
| SWFu | done | 02:17 |
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| pupnik_ | 2 get source package | 02:17 |
| SWFu | done | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | underpants | 02:18 |
| SWFu | I need to track down the dependencie | 02:18 |
| pupnik_ | 3 dpkg-buildpackage -r fakeroot -b | 02:18 |
| FRX | damn, this isnt going to be easy to do manually as i thought. | 02:18 |
| pupnik_ | yeah that can take time SWFu | 02:19 |
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| SWFu | Could I get them from the debian debs? | 02:19 |
| SWFu | easy debian | 02:19 |
| pupnik_ | i usually do | 02:19 |
| pupnik_ | starting with newer ones, falling back to older ones if needed | 02:20 |
| SWFu | Right, the source for those also? | 02:22 |
| SWFu | How does building the package work then | 02:22 |
| jebba | SWFu: you'll have to resolve these issues to build them: | 02:22 |
| jebba | http://obra.freemoe.org/freemoe-etch/d/driftnet/root.log http://obra.freemoe.org/freemoe-etch/d/dsniff/root.log | 02:22 |
| jebba | SWFu: see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Package_Building_HOWTO | 02:23 |
| pupnik_ | jebba rules | 02:23 |
| jebba | they need some dependencies built first | 02:23 |
| SWFu | Hi jebba I comented on your post over at the forums, this has jogged my memory into getting these working :) | 02:23 |
| jebba | :) | 02:25 |
| SWFu | Right, this is exackly what I've been looking for, thanks. | 02:25 |
| jebba | followed up there too ;) | 02:26 |
| SWFu | Ha ha, yeah I would of let you know the error but it flashed up so quick. :) | 02:27 |
| jebba | odd that it was working for me fine. I removed and readded it a bunch of times. Then i rebooted and it croaked (?!). But adding another "/" seemed to fix it.... | 02:28 |
| jebba | is the new obra.install happy for you' | 02:28 |
| jebba | ? | 02:28 |
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| SWFu | Hang on I'll try again... | 02:29 |
| SWFu | Yes, no error now | 02:30 |
| FRX | so i just added the testing repository and isntalled transmission. | 02:30 |
| FRX | should i know remove the testing repo? | 02:31 |
| FRX | now* | 02:31 |
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| FRX | does install things from more than 1 repository cause any conflicts ? | 02:31 |
| FRX | should i think of this as in, the way debian does things for example ? | 02:31 |
| pupnik_ | yes afaik | 02:32 |
| pupnik_ | apt-cache show packagename should show you all versions of a pkg | 02:33 |
| FRX | pupnik_ : how do i gain root acces using the rootsh i just donwload? | 02:34 |
| SWFu | sudo gainroot | 02:34 |
| * FRX hates busybox! | 02:34 | |
| pupnik_ | or just "root" here | 02:34 |
| FRX | ty | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wtf. maybe I get senile. HOW to close pnatd? | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | FRX: I hate busybox as well :-) | 02:35 |
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| FRX | guys, do these 3 repositories cause problems if all added ? | 02:37 |
| FRX | or is this like adding debian stable and testing and unstable in the same source list. ?? | 02:37 |
| jebba | FRX: you can add all fie. | 02:39 |
| jebba | fine. | 02:39 |
| jebba | it isn't like stable testing and unstable all in one cuz they all target the same base OS. | 02:39 |
| FRX | nice to know. | 02:40 |
| FRX | jebba : so there isnt of the same package in more than 1 repo? | 02:41 |
| SWFu | Right those 2 debs ,I need to find the dependencies so it builds, then, build the dependencies? Then create 1 deb? | 02:42 |
| pupnik_ | need to build distrituable debs for dependencies also, if not in repos | 02:42 |
| jebba | FRX: a package can be in multiple repos. | 02:43 |
| jebba | SWFu: ya. But you'll be creating one deb for each package (e.g. 1 for dsniff other for driftnet) | 02:43 |
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| SWFu | Sure | 02:43 |
| FRX | jebba : then how do they not conflict ? | 02:43 |
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| SWFu | OK great, I'll try it tomorrow. They are both working fine in easy debian. | 02:44 |
| SWFu | chroot | 02:44 |
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| pupnik_ | frx i think you get highest version number by default. but this is explained in apt docs | 02:47 |
| FRX | doesnt seem to clear to me yet. | 02:48 |
| * FRX goes to check the wiki | 02:49 | |
| jebba | FRX: foo-1.2.3.deb gets upploaded to extras-devel. Then after awhile it may hit extras-testing. If it's "good" it hits extras. No conflict. | 02:49 |
| FRX | ok | 02:49 |
| jebba | you'll always get the highest version number from the 3 repos | 02:50 |
| FRX | sorry lets say if i installed foo during the time it was in devel would i see an update available when it moves to testing ? | 02:51 |
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| dmj726 | no, because you'd already have the version in testing | 02:52 |
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| pupnik_ | BeRoXM player - new MOD/XM player | 02:58 |
| FRX | how do you copy/paste on this device ? | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | how to send EOF to pnatd? | 02:59 |
| FRX | on the n900. | 02:59 |
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| ScribbleJ | FRX: CTRL-C, CTRL-V | 02:59 |
| FRX | :S | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | FRX: in browser see gestures wiki page for left to right sweep | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | n xterm use menu | 03:00 |
| dnaumov | I am loving how the menu looks with this theme: http://jago.pp.fi/images/linux-menu.png | 03:00 |
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| pupnik_ | xterm could use a ctrl-v replacement for fullscreen mode | 03:03 |
| pupnik_ | xmodmap it i suppose? | 03:03 |
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| pupnik_ | i dunno any console apps needing ctrl-v | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: If only we could keymap the paste of the x buffer | 03:04 |
| pupnik_ | yeah DocScrutinizer | 03:04 |
| pupnik_ | how about simulating center mouse click | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | how? | 03:05 |
| acidjazz | i had a dream last night someone tried to steal my n900 and i stabbed them in the leg 5 times | 03:05 |
| FRX | wahahaha | 03:06 |
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| FRX | just got mine today, wasnt happy at first | 03:06 |
| acidjazz | srsly though | 03:06 |
| acidjazz | lets say that happened | 03:06 |
| acidjazz | cuz i carry a knife on me at all times | 03:06 |
| FRX | but now(after the update), it works perfectly. | 03:06 |
| acidjazz | would i go to jail? | 03:06 |
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| jack45334 | anyone having a booting problem | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | depend wich jurisdiction applies to you | 03:08 |
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| * DocScrutinizer curses whoever wrote pnatd for not using line editing discipline | 03:10 | |
| DocScrutinizer | f+++ng crap | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | no ^D, even killing pnatd from second shell leaves the first terminal unresponsive | 03:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oh yeah, I know I could cat|pnatd, but still | 03:13 |
| SpeedEvil | acidjazz: that's why you can get a pointer tipped with a ricin capsule | 03:13 |
| * SpeedEvil would start selling those on ebay - but I suspect they may be a tad illegal. | 03:14 | |
| DocScrutinizer | won't save your N90 | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | 0 | 03:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ricin takes days and weeks | 03:14 |
| * DocScrutinizer suggests TASER. Don't shoot your N900 ;-P | 03:15 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's only tested for 8KV human body model | 03:16 |
| acidjazz | what if i just stabbed the leg | 03:16 |
| acidjazz | a non vital organ area | 03:16 |
| acidjazz | i mean im being robbed here | 03:16 |
| FRX | so i installed this ussd widget | 03:16 |
| FRX | but it doesnt work! | 03:17 |
| SpeedEvil | there is - generally - no such thing as a safe place to stab | 03:17 |
| FRX | any suggestions on how to get this thing working ? | 03:17 |
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| acidjazz | i dont care about safety as much as aftermath of preventing myself from being robbed | 03:17 |
| SpeedEvil | neglecting the fact that the person stabbed may sometimes object, all limbs have blood supply plenty to cause a fatality. | 03:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I installed the ussd-pad - fail, due to umlauts probably | 03:18 |
| SpeedEvil | The legs in minutes. | 03:18 |
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| SWFu | insurance | 03:18 |
| crashanddie | only if you hit major blood vessels | 03:18 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah. | 03:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Hire a man called Guido with a baseball bat to follow you round to recover the phone. | 03:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: true. | 03:19 |
| crashanddie | usually the outer limbs are a safer bet -- you can always garot the whole limb out in order to prevent blood loss. | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | a kick against the knee usually will do better | 03:19 |
| acidjazz | why are you all steering away from the stabbing idea | 03:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Chainsaw works best. | 03:19 |
| acidjazz | im gonna ask a cop | 03:19 |
| acidjazz | or a lawyer | 03:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Are you going to argue with a man with a running chainsaw? | 03:20 |
| acidjazz | i just want hte comfort that if im robbed and i stab im ok | 03:20 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders if chainsaws are actually illegal to carry in the UK. | 03:20 | |
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| SpeedEvil | They do not have blades exceeding 5cm | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | depend wich jurisdiction applies to you | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | again | 03:20 |
| SpeedEvil | ^ | 03:20 |
| SpeedEvil | in the UK | 03:20 |
| crashanddie | or if you're a healthy male, centre of the stomach is a safe bet as well: as long as you don't have so much fat that you can't stop the bleeding, repairing stomach and bowels is usually pretty easy for any experienced surgeon, in addition to that, we have a surplus of bowels, so they can remove some if required | 03:21 |
| acidjazz | im in the US | 03:21 |
| SpeedEvil | there are some huge bloodvessels in that area | 03:21 |
| SWFu | You need a chainsaw licence | 03:21 |
| crashanddie | either way, the safest route is just to run for your life | 03:21 |
| SpeedEvil | personally - if I'm being stabbed, I want to be stabbed in the little finger. | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | in US the burglar may sue you for forgetting your shoes in the room so the stumbles and hurts his ancle | 03:22 |
| pupnik_ | heh | 03:22 |
| crashanddie | if someone threathens you, be it with a weapon or not, simply turn sideways -- never offer the front of your body, keep your hands high and present your shoulder... the most important line in your body is the one that goes from your face to your crotch | 03:23 |
| acidjazz | yea DocScrutinizer thats exactly my topic | 03:23 |
| acidjazz | crashanddie: the subject is you hvae the weapon | 03:23 |
| SWFu | find burglar and leave his shoes out for him to trip on? | 03:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyway - simply wearing plate mail at all times is clearly a wise precaution. | 03:23 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: agreed | 03:23 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: not excellent when you need to run for your life though | 03:24 |
| crashanddie | fucking heavy | 03:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Titanium + motorised pogo-stick. | 03:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: rotfl | 03:24 |
| acidjazz | heh | 03:24 |
| pupnik_ | those jumping stilts look cool | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | mere slapstick | 03:25 |
| crashanddie | I'm starting to get quite pissed off at all those laws that seemingly protect everyone | 03:25 |
| pupnik_ | mhm | 03:25 |
| crashanddie | for fuck's sake, if the guy is in my house while he's not supposed to be, he loses all his rights (well, not all, but those to attack ME) | 03:25 |
| * SpeedEvil passes crashanddie a really hot cup of chocolate, some days ago. | 03:25 | |
| konfoo | house in what country? | 03:25 |
| crashanddie | any developed country | 03:25 |
| crashanddie | if it's third world, fair game | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm starting to feel pissed about USSD-pad and all this *100# issue | 03:26 |
| konfoo | i was going to say if you said usa then i would find that amusing | 03:26 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: hey, we're having a nice conversation here, don't bloody ruin it | 03:26 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: And if hje's merely drunk - let himself into his old house with his key that still works? | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: sorry :-P | 03:26 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I saw something in extras or rextras-devel - usssd widgit | 03:26 |
| SpeedEvil | or something like htat | 03:26 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: nope, but then again, if you don't change the locks of a house you buy you're an idiot and deserve to be punished | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | widget is crap | 03:27 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: there's no forced entry there | 03:27 |
| SpeedEvil | k | 03:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: indeed | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | I need to enter a 12 digit code to chaRGE UP ACCOUNT | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | oops caps | 03:27 |
| SpeedEvil | At least here, you can also phone them | 03:27 |
| SpeedEvil | and top up that way | 03:27 |
| crashanddie | let's just go for plain easy rules. If you break a window, force a lock or enter through a partially open window while everything is locked, you're breaking the law. If my door is wide open, or you have the keys and know the alarm code, it's my own god damn fault. No bullshit with being allowed to shoot people, just call the cops and get over it | 03:28 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean - phone them with a voucher code | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | I managed to do with pnatd but broke my fingers due to no bs and no EOF to make pnatd die gracefully | 03:28 |
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| * SpeedEvil has been playing with GPS bugs today. | 03:29 | |
| SpeedEvil | ~5 reboots and GPS-forget-position app with SIM in and out | 03:30 |
| SpeedEvil | worst I've seen is ~10 min to get a lock | 03:30 |
| crashanddie | People shouldn't have guns, you should only have guns when your work requires you to, and then again, you should have access to said gun during duty hours. | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | not THAT bad | 03:30 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders what's the forget-pos-app looks alike | 03:30 | |
| SpeedEvil | However - the forget applet is broken - I got a lock once after about 10 min of battery out in 5s | 03:30 |
| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7026 | 03:31 |
| povbot | Bug 7026: Can't get a GPS lock with several satellites at view | 03:31 |
| SpeedEvil | see the attachment | 03:31 |
| crashanddie | I accept that the guys who transport money from one bank to another (how do you call those guys in english?) require protection, and no, throwing more metal at the van isn't helping, because the baddies just go with more and more fire power. However, they shouldn't have access to a bloody arsenal at home. | 03:31 |
| crashanddie | </rant> | 03:32 |
| SpeedEvil | security guards. | 03:32 |
| crashanddie | isn't there a specific word for those transporters? | 03:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Or bankrobbers - dpending on whether it's authorised or non-authorised transfers. | 03:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Umm | 03:33 |
| crashanddie | lol | 03:33 |
| SpeedEvil | not really | 03:33 |
| SpeedEvil | They sometimes get referred to by the name of the company | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: pffffft. ELF w(o src >:-(( | 03:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: you have strace. Anyway - it's been said that the interesting stuff is all opaque uinside the modem | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | inside the MODEM???`? o.O | 03:34 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 03:35 |
| SpeedEvil | the GPS is run by the modem chipset | 03:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer sighs | 03:36 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | any idea bout the modem type? | 03:36 |
| SpeedEvil | it's a TI chipset. | 03:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Not the calypso. | 03:37 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeeek | 03:37 |
| FRX | guys | 03:37 |
| FRX | how do i get this ussd wiget working | 03:37 |
| FRX | ? | 03:37 |
| FRX | widget | 03:37 |
| FRX | i thinked ussdpad manually with python-osso and that also didnt work | 03:38 |
| FRX | installed* | 03:38 |
| FRX | thinked? :S | 03:38 |
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| SWFu | I'm getting gtk-config: not found. yet libgtk-2.0-0 is installed, any ideas? | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | I have no idea at all - I just saw it. | 03:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Fortunately, I have no need of it - my WSP is controllable over the internets. | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | FRX: you need to configure the widget first. Baasically the number / code it has to send | 03:43 |
| FRX | how? | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | sigh | 03:43 |
| FRX | wait, i found that post | 03:43 |
| pupnik_ | maep and maemo-mapper have agreed to share tile-cache http://mail.gnome.org/archives/libchamplain-list/2010-January/msg00052.html | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | hit blank screen, hit gear | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | hit wrench of widget | 03:44 |
| FRX | then add widget ---> ussd widget | 03:45 |
| FRX | yes, thats not working | 03:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FRX: worksforme | 03:46 |
| FRX | how do i configure it with an ussd-code ? | 03:46 |
| FRX | basicly what i did was i got the package from extras-devel, it installed | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | hit blank screen, hit gear | 03:47 |
| FRX | but when i want to added it, it just doesnt show on the desktop | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | hit wrench of widget | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | well for me it shows up on desktop right after "add widget -> ussdwidget" | 03:48 |
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| FRX | DocScrutinizer : should i have installed some packages manually ? | 03:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not on my retry though | 03:51 |
| FRX | like pexpect ? | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | not afaik | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I did after I tested widged, for pad. maybe that's the cause it doesn't work anymore | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | I installed the widget via appmanager | 03:52 |
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| uhsf | I finally have some time to try to flash my brand new doa n900 before I send it to rma. | 04:01 |
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| uhsf | what exactly am I flashing? the 32GB drive or some other memory? | 04:02 |
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| uhsf | ok the channel's asleep, I will try tomorrow | 04:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | uhsf, the 256MB OneNAND | 04:05 |
| uhsf | GeneralAntilles: so it has nothing to do with that eMMC thing? | 04:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 04:06 |
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| uhsf | i don't know much about the hardware yet | 04:06 |
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| uhsf | so the os is installed on that OneNAND thing | 04:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | The OneNAND in the PoP on top of the OMAP3 is 256MB and contains the rootfs, the kernel and the bootloader. | 04:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | The 32GB eMMC has swap, MyDocs and home | 04:07 |
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| uhsf | mydocs sounds microsoftish | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doesn't really have anything to do with Windows. | 04:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah - well... MyDocs whole reason for existance is basically that microsoft have won, and for pople to be able to read the storage from random devices - it needs to be formatted as microsoft. | 04:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, er, well, MyDocs is only FAT since Fremantle. ;) | 04:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | 770-N810 it was JFFS2. | 04:10 |
| uhsf | so i'm grabbing the "flasher" and the "fiasco" image and follow the guide | 04:10 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: yeah - I'm guessing it wasn't designed to be mountable in the same way the n900 is | 04:10 |
| uhsf | "fiasco" doesn't sound encouraging to me | 04:10 |
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| TheOne | hi, sind deutsche hier? | 04:18 |
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| TheOne | is anyone active? | 04:20 |
| TheOne | maybe some nokia n900 owner? | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | most people seem to have gone to sleep. | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | It was qute active a few hours ago | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | And yes, I own a n900. | 04:22 |
| * mtnbkr_ is here and s a n900 owner chatting inirc on his n900 :) | 04:22 | |
| uhsf | what's the difference between the first and second variants of maemo os 2009? and should i choose usa or global? | 04:25 |
| mtnbkr_ | very quiet tonight though in here | 04:25 |
| SpeedEvil | uhsf: second is a bugfix - lots of basically | 04:26 |
| uhsf | i will take usa, even though i'm in canada | 04:26 |
| TheOne | whats your experience with your n900? | 04:29 |
| TheOne | i life in germany and i maybe buy a n900 - but with that price i want to be sure ;) | 04:30 |
| uhsf | you don't wan't to hear my experience | 04:31 |
| TheOne | i read many comments at the german amazon page, that was mostly positiv | 04:31 |
| TheOne | ohh of course, negativ comments are more useful than "the best device i ever had..." | 04:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Personally - my main complaint after 2 months is that they only supply 1 pointer. | 04:33 |
| uhsf | you mean no multi-touch? | 04:34 |
| uhsf | i don't care much about this | 04:34 |
| TheOne | i think the stylus | 04:34 |
| SpeedEvil | If you think of it as a phone - it is a usable phone - with a few apps - though growing numbers. There are some problems with some aspects of it. | 04:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | If however you value having basically a 'complete' linux box in your pocket - it can be lots more. | 04:35 |
| FRX | speedevil : like? | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | You can't call numbers beginning with *'s for network services, you can's schedule tasks every second week, ... | 04:36 |
| SpeedEvil | can't | 04:36 |
| SpeedEvil | however - many of those bugs are already fixed - and will be released in next firmware - likely along in a month or two. | 04:36 |
| * b-man17 hopes fiasco-gen will be avalible in the next firmware release :P | 04:37 | |
| SpeedEvil | But for me - the minor bugs I have hit don't inconvenience me as I've always found an easy alternative way round them. And the convenience of being able to - when my laptop hd started making strange noises - to simply rsync everything over to the phone - is awesome. | 04:37 |
| * FRX doesnt understand why ussdpad and widget arent working :S | 04:37 | |
| Pavel | SpeedEvil: Do you know when they'll be putting out the firware upgrade? | 04:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Pavel: no. | 04:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Above was solely a guess. | 04:39 |
| TheOne | okay, i manage my tasks with icedove (ligthning) | 04:39 |
| TheOne | it should run with maemo too | 04:39 |
| TheOne | correct? | 04:39 |
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| Pavel | TheOne: If someone ports it. | 04:40 |
| TheOne | debian? | 04:40 |
| TheOne | there are arm debs | 04:40 |
| TheOne | did they not work with maemo? | 04:41 |
| Pavel | TheOne: Yes, but while it's heavily based on Debian, some things are different. | 04:41 |
| Pavel | TheOne: I don't know how much porting is required. | 04:41 |
| Pavel | Also, consider that Icedove is designed for a bigger, non-touch screen. | 04:42 |
| Pavel | TheOne: That said, I'd love to see it ported. | 04:42 |
| SpeedEvil | There is also the issue that if you can get it to work 'easily' it may suck | 04:42 |
| SpeedEvil | in that - yeah | 04:42 |
| SpeedEvil | you ideally want to be able to use it with fingers | 04:42 |
| Pavel | The good news is that we may, one day, get an Android emulator running on the system. ;) | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | So though the screen is 800*480 - you really want your buttons at least 80*48 - and that's really touchy | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | 160*96 is lots easier | 04:43 |
| Pavel | SpeedEvil: Well, it does come with a stylus. | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | True. | 04:43 |
| Pavel | SpeedEvil: Though I don't use it much, myself. | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | I haven't used it in a week. | 04:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Still looking for it. | 04:44 |
| Pavel | SpeedEvil: Lost it? | 04:44 |
| TheOne | Pavel: google for ubuntu android -> android execution environment also at launchpad project name ubudroid | 04:44 |
| TheOne | but mr. frey does not share his code | 04:44 |
| Pavel | TheOne: I know. Hence my comment. | 04:44 |
| Pavel | Ah. | 04:45 |
| TheOne | i guess google buy that project | 04:45 |
| TheOne | since may 09 the ubuntu android projects lack all | 04:45 |
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| uhsf | i'm trying this command but it doesn't work sudo ./flasher-3.5 -F <FIASCO image> -f -R | 04:46 |
| TheOne | the last sign of life of ubudroid was august 2009 at frey's blog | 04:47 |
| Pavel | TheOne: Go figure... | 04:47 |
| Pavel | TheOne: There is this: http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Run-Android-Applications-on-Ubuntu-115152.shtml . You can't really create a mobile device SDK without providing an emulator. | 04:49 |
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| TheOne | yeah correct but i was watching ubudroid cause they was working on some kernel patches | 04:50 |
| TheOne | to emulate the android binder ipc system | 04:50 |
| TheOne | they could runs apps that uses hardware calls | 04:50 |
| TheOne | at that presentation they deactivated such calls | 04:51 |
| TheOne | here can read some infos about it http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/05/canonical-developers-aim-to-make-android-apps-run-on-ubuntu.ars | 04:53 |
| uhsf | how to install flasher-3.5 on non debian linux? | 04:53 |
| uhsf | is it possible that flasher-3.5 doesn't work on 64-bit? | 04:54 |
| Pavel | TheOne: I saw. | 04:54 |
| Pavel | TheOne: Indeed, I didn't investigate it that deeply --- I guess you are right. | 04:54 |
| TheOne | i think it should be easier to build an android ex env for maemo than ubuntu | 04:55 |
| TheOne | cause android and maemo are arm based and they try a x86 build | 04:55 |
| Pavel | TheOne: One thing to consider is that MJ Frey stopped updating his blog around August, with the last update being a criticism of Android, so maybe he is just busy or lost interest. Or maybe that's what Google wants us to think... Hmmm... | 04:56 |
| TheOne | and of course the mobile specific stuff could stay | 04:56 |
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| TheOne | i wrote an email to him, but no answer | 04:57 |
| pwnguin | oh this is annoying | 04:57 |
| pwnguin | kp-enter not bound | 04:57 |
| pwnguin | err | 04:58 |
| pwnguin | <kp-enter> is undefined | 04:58 |
| pwnguin | emacs ftl | 04:58 |
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| TheOne | can someone tell me about the fm transmitter? | 04:59 |
| uhsf | why this command doesn't work sudo ./flasher-3.5 -F <FIASCO image> -f -R? | 04:59 |
| Pavel | TheOne: Maybe someone should send him an e-mail on some unrelated subject that's likely to be of interest to him... | 04:59 |
| Pavel | TheOne: Just to see... | 04:59 |
| TheOne | try it | 05:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FRX: ussd-pad works for me now | 05:02 |
| TheOne | i want to use the fm transmitter in my car, to hear me mp3 files over the car radio | 05:02 |
| Pavel | TheOne: Draft me a plausible message, and I will. ;) | 05:02 |
| TheOne | i read that this would work only with ac connection - is it right? | 05:03 |
| FRX | DocScrutinizer : i restarted the n900 and now ussdwidget works but ussdpad doesnt. | 05:03 |
| FRX | DocScrutinizer : what did you do it get it to work ? | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | FRX: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=493831&postcount=121 | 05:04 |
| FRX | yes, thats what i followed | 05:04 |
| FRX | it doesnt work for me , not sure why | 05:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | what does that mean dude!?! | 05:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got no crystal ball | 05:05 |
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| FRX | DocScrutinizer : well, the application opens but then closes without showing a thing | 05:06 |
| FRX | no buttons..no thing. | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | strange | 05:07 |
| FRX | no nothing* | 05:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | you installed all the 3 deb? | 05:07 |
| FRX | well yes | 05:07 |
| FRX | ussd-common was already install for ussdwidget | 05:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | that may be another one though | 05:07 |
| FRX | i installed pexpect_2.3.0-1_all.deb manaully, | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | check version | 05:08 |
| FRX | ok | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | I dl all 3 pkgs from garage page | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=1219&release_id=3073 | 05:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then I edited /usr/bin/ussdfoo python as described here in the attachment http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=486843&postcount=101 as it barfed on my ümäuts | 05:11 |
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| LostyJai | hello | 05:12 |
| uhsf | ok i flashed to the latest image and i think i might have saved my n900 from rma | 05:12 |
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| uhsf | someone should edit the flashing guide to say that flasher-3.5 doesn't work on 64-bit | 05:14 |
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| ohhhhhh | hello | 05:15 |
| ohhhhhh | I have a few questions about the N900 | 05:15 |
| ohhhhhh | what format does it record video in? | 05:15 |
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| uhsf | 1080p stereo 3D | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | FRX: Nokia-N900-51-1:~# ussdquery.py "*101#" | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | FRX: Ihr o2 LOOP Guthaben beträgt: 42.85 EUR. Bis zu 25% sparen. SMS-Pack-S mit 35 SMS mtl. für n | 05:16 |
| LostyJai | i think i've found a weird bug | 05:16 |
| FRX | DocScrutinizer51 : i can see my balance | 05:17 |
| LostyJai | i have this mp4 video | 05:17 |
| LostyJai | if i play it, it says it's not supported | 05:17 |
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| LostyJai | after that i can't play my mp3s or videos until i do a restart | 05:17 |
| FRX | but i cant add credit using the shortcut they use here | 05:17 |
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| FRX | btw i dont have the same version | 05:17 |
| FRX | i have 0.4 ,they are talking about 0.1 | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | FRX: the shortcut here is *103*secretnumbercode# | 05:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | while *103# is querying the balance | 05:19 |
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| FRX | DocScrutinizer51 : so i can just download this script by itself ? | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 05:19 |
| FRX | ok i'll try it | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you'll need the includes though | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | which are in ussd-common I guess | 05:20 |
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| fredrin | hey | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and in pexpect | 05:21 |
| fredrin | irssi on n900 is sweet | 05:21 |
| uhsf | the n900 is sweet | 05:23 |
| zash | fredrin: nice | 05:23 |
| frals | great, a wall of snow outside the window >_< | 05:24 |
| uhsf | i'm disappointed we have so little snow where i live | 05:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | FRX: I accidentally dl the ussd-common_0.0.0-3-all.deb ;-P | 05:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it works for me | 05:26 |
| FRX | thats the only one i didnt try | 05:26 |
| FRX | but im using 0-4 | 05:26 |
| FRX | they said 0-1 , i tried that, didnt work | 05:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't see any 0-4 | 05:28 |
| TheOne | bye | 05:28 |
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| FRX | DocScrutinizer : its in extras-devel | 05:29 |
| FRX | the script would fine btw | 05:29 |
| FRX | its just this damn pad | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | FRX: I told you I downloaded from garage | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I gave you link | 05:29 |
| FRX | i tested one ones on garage | 05:29 |
| FRX | the ones* | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I told you whicH packets I downloaded | 05:30 |
| uhsf | i'm glad it was so simple and easy to flash my dysfunctional n900 | 05:30 |
| FRX | DocScrutinizer : i know but i dont think its because of that package | 05:30 |
| FRX | so it only works with 0-3 ? | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | in extras-devel there's only ussd-widget for all I know | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-02-04 04:26:19] <DocScrutinizer51> FRX: I accidentally dl the ussd-common_0.0.0-3-all.deb ;-P | 05:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-02-04 04:26:32] <DocScrutinizer51> it works for me | 05:31 |
| FRX | i downlaoded the deb and its named with 0-4 | 05:31 |
| FRX | ok ok i'll try 0-3 | 05:31 |
| FRX | brb | 05:31 |
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| uhsf | wow switching desktops is so smooth | 05:34 |
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| jnl | I'm stuck with N810 until they come out with an N900 for at&t 3G | 05:38 |
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| uhsf | the software is so snappy compared to my freerunner it's unbelievable | 05:38 |
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| Ken-Young | uhsf, The benchmarks I've run show the the N900 is 20 times faster than the Freerunner. | 05:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what do you expect of a S3C2442 crap SoC? | 05:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | with a glamo to make each char to render to the screen a PITA | 05:43 |
| Ken-Young | plus a graphics DEcellerator, | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | faster | 05:43 |
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| uhsf | ok the maps are seriously lacking | 05:52 |
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| uhsf | doesn't nokia own navteq now? these maps that are used by google? | 05:53 |
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| pupnik | dunno | 05:54 |
| autarch | any idea why when I'm connected to my computer via USB, the media player doesn't see any files? | 05:54 |
| pupnik | which map gives navi for n900? | 05:54 |
| pupnik | i see so many apps | 05:55 |
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| autarch | this is really annoying when I'm trying to diagnose why it doesn't see some id3 tags properly | 05:55 |
| crashanddie | what the hell happened? | 05:55 |
| pupnik | maemo-mapper, navit? | 05:55 |
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| autarch | also, wtf does it have trouble with files that rhythmbox handles perfectly, I wonder? | 05:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | autarch: mass storage mode umounts /home/user/MyDocs | 05:58 |
| autarch | DocScrutinizer: oh, so my computer can mount it? | 05:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 05:59 |
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| autarch | understandle, but annoying | 06:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you want concurrent access you might want to give fusefs/sshfs a try | 06:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | or ntfs | 06:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err nfs | 06:01 |
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| autarch | hmm, that'd be cool | 06:02 |
| autarch | although I'm not sure how I'd get rhythmbox to see an nfs mounted file system as an audio device | 06:03 |
| autarch | maybe it'd just work | 06:03 |
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| autarch | or maybe the n900 could have less craptastic id3 handling, ideally ;) | 06:04 |
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| uhsf | my n900 sees 13 wifi networks where i live as my freerunner sees only 4 | 06:10 |
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| uhsf | there seem to be funny girls with funny network names near that i didn't know about | 06:11 |
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| uhsf | wow many cool ring tones | 06:17 |
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| uhsf | what's your favorite | 06:17 |
| crashanddie | enjoy monologues much? | 06:18 |
| uhsf | this channel is so dead | 06:19 |
| uhsf | settings application just crashed | 06:20 |
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| uhsf | i guess the n900 is not perfect | 06:20 |
| crashanddie | it's 5AM in europe | 06:20 |
| crashanddie | 4AM in the UK | 06:20 |
| uhsf | yea i'm starting to think the n900 really is a europe thing | 06:20 |
| uhsf | it's only 23:23 here in quebec | 06:21 |
| jX | I'm in the US and have a 900 | 06:21 |
| jX | it rocks | 06:21 |
| jX | rough edges, but overall worth it | 06:21 |
| crashanddie | Well, duh | 06:21 |
| uhsf | i'm still searching for these rough edges | 06:22 |
| uhsf | i just replaced my freerunner with a n900 | 06:22 |
| uhsf | it arrived a week ago but i just had time to flash it today | 06:23 |
| jX | uhsf: Well, coming from that you'll think the N900 shits diamonds and pees gold. :) | 06:23 |
| uhsf | mine was not functionnal when it arrived | 06:23 |
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| gandhii | recently ran into problem where my 27g mydocs is giving me read-only errors. any thoughts? | 06:27 |
| jX | uhsf: It was a freerunner, that's normal. | 06:29 |
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| KamuiN900 | gandhii: check if the vol is mounted ro | 06:30 |
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| uhsf | jX: no, my n900 was not functionnal | 06:30 |
| jX | ohhh | 06:30 |
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| uhsf | perpetual reboot loop at first boot | 06:31 |
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| uhsf | i had to flash to the latest image and it seems ok | 06:31 |
| uhsf | many people would've just return it and get an iphone instead | 06:32 |
| uhsf | one thing that's missing from the n900 is english (canada) for regional settings | 06:32 |
| jX | Yeah, that does seem to be missing, eh? | 06:33 |
| jX | But I guess they didn't want to add another English translation, eh? | 06:33 |
| uhsf | i have to chose either english (usa) or french (canada) | 06:33 |
| uhsf | ok for the language, but there are two settings: language and region | 06:34 |
| uhsf | not the same | 06:34 |
| SpeedEvil | The regional settings are poorly thought out | 06:34 |
| SpeedEvil | For example, you can't independantly set date format | 06:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet they suck | 06:36 |
| gandhii | Kamui: that an fstab thing? | 06:37 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if you could tweak it the unix way | 06:37 | |
| DocScrutinizer | gandhii: fsck.vfat | 06:38 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: rm /etc/X11/Xsession.post/*;echo fvwm >/etc/X11/Xsession.post/00fvwm | 06:39 |
| uhsf | ok great phone | 06:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: lol | 06:40 |
| uhsf | see you tomorrow silent people | 06:40 |
| SpeedEvil | wave | 06:41 |
| * DocScrutinizer yawns | 06:41 | |
| * SpeedEvil is bored and grocery shopping. | 06:41 | |
| DocScrutinizer | errrr | 06:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - meta-shopping. | 06:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ahhh | 06:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | In that I'm writing a scraper for my supermarkets website that will let me sort their whole list by price/weight | 06:43 |
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| gandhii | where is that? | 06:43 |
| SpeedEvil | gandhii: asda.com | 06:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | well - groceries.asda.com | 06:43 |
| SpeedEvil | I need to poke them to see if I can get barcodes. | 06:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | supermarket with a detailed pricelist on web - amazing | 06:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Barcode based reordering would be nice | 06:44 |
| jX | anyone else had an issue where teh earpeice speaker goes in and out? | 06:44 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: 3 of the 4 major chains in the UK will deliver. And they are driving at least 4 miles to get to me. The van for one comes rom a depot 30 miles away. | 06:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | except from collecting dust there - no | 06:45 |
| SpeedEvil | jX: were you commenting on that a couple of days ago here? | 06:45 |
| jX | I don't believe so | 06:46 |
| jX | if I did I don't recall hearing any responses | 06:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I think someone else may have hit it - I don't recall any names though | 06:46 |
| * DocScrutinizer wishes any supermarket in .de would deliver some 100 meters at least | 06:46 | |
| DocScrutinizer | which kinda issue? | 06:47 |
| jX | The sound goes in and out, like there's a loose connection. | 06:48 |
| jX | I meed to RMA it with Dell. | 06:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I assume you're sure it's not a signal thing? | 06:48 |
| jX | quite | 06:48 |
| jX | that was my first suspicion | 06:48 |
| jX | but when I can replicate it by shaking the shone a little... | 06:49 |
| jX | phone | 06:49 |
| jX | and CAUSE it the same way... | 06:49 |
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| jX | er, fix it | 06:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | RMA | 06:49 |
| jX | yup | 06:49 |
| luke-jr | jX: it's actually the daemon I installed that uses the accelerometers to emulate a loose connection | 06:50 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 06:50 |
| jX | luke-jr: Now that's a feature I have been waiting for. ;) | 06:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | rotfl | 06:50 |
| KamuiN900 | any way to backup desktop and icon arrangement? | 06:51 |
| KamuiN900 | tired of redoing all four pages every week | 06:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | backup app? | 06:51 |
| KamuiN900 | does it? | 06:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | did for me | 06:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | guess it's called settings or somesuch | 06:52 |
| jX | Speaking of icons, how does one change an app's icons? I want to change the Email and Conversations icons to things I won't confuse as easily. | 06:52 |
| valdyn | jX: see the .desktop file(s) i guess | 06:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | edit the *.desktop file I guess | 06:53 |
| jX | where might I find those? | 06:53 |
| valdyn | jX: dpkg -l packagename | 06:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | with find youll find ;-D | 06:53 |
| jX | you can't un/install email and conversations | 06:54 |
| valdyn | jX: -L even ( capital ) | 06:54 |
| valdyn | jX: doesnt matter, its still in a package | 06:54 |
| KamuiN900 | thanks DocScrutinizer | 06:54 |
| jX | hmm | 06:54 |
| jX | I'll check! | 06:54 |
| KamuiN900 | ill test and see later when my icons get fried again :) | 06:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | KamuiN900: don't miss to make a backup of the fried state prior to restoring a previous state. Just in case the restore does more than you expected | 06:57 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders how to make a backup of all the apt-get install commands needed to make a system out of that messybox shit | 07:01 | |
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| zetheroo1 | Trying to update canola on this n800 i get told there are packages needed that are not available | 07:09 |
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| KamuiN900 | hahaha | 07:16 |
| KamuiN900 | tosh.0 is hilarious | 07:16 |
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| ScribbleJ | That ugy is funny. | 07:20 |
| ScribbleJ | guy | 07:20 |
| ScribbleJ | "Spinach is like anal sex; if you're forced to have it as a child then you won't enjoy it as an adult." | 07:21 |
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| pupnik | i keep reaching for the trackpoint on my thinkoutside stowaway | 07:23 |
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| Proteous | ScribbleJ: that is so wrong but funny as hell | 07:27 |
| KamuiN900 | lololol nice ScribbleJ | 07:27 |
| KamuiN900 | hi pupnik | 07:27 |
| ScribbleJ | I'm pretty sure that was a Daniel Tosh joke. | 07:28 |
| KamuiN900 | just watched this weeks new episode | 07:29 |
| KamuiN900 | pretty funny | 07:30 |
| KamuiN900 | especially the arab dude running through the auto sliding glass doors at a public bui.ding | 07:30 |
| KamuiN900 | gotta find that on youtube for my personal collection | 07:31 |
| ScribbleJ | I haven't watched that show yet. | 07:31 |
| ScribbleJ | Maybe I'll check it out. | 07:31 |
| ScribbleJ | The joke is from his tour/album in like... 04 ish? | 07:31 |
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| pupnik | hi KamuiN900 | 07:36 |
| pupnik | trying to ssh from n810 to n900 via bluetooth | 07:36 |
| pupnik | so i can use n810 bigscreen as a second ssh term for general hacking with bt keyboard | 07:37 |
| pupnik | i want a clean simple way to network two tablets for teh gamez | 07:38 |
| pupnik | or maybe i should make a battery for my wlan router | 07:40 |
| pupnik | googles teh rfcomm | 07:41 |
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| kamui__ | lols pupnik | 07:52 |
| kamui__ | ScribbleJ, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0Gb1kRkuQ4 | 07:53 |
| kamui__ | it seems slightly less funny now without Daniel Tosh's breakdown ;) | 07:53 |
| kamui__ | pupnik, I've totally given up on using the existing code from blenderpocket | 07:54 |
| kamui__ | its so deeply intertwined with winCE calls | 07:54 |
| kamui__ | I | 07:54 |
| kamui__ | I've only removed SOME of that code, but it almost seems endless | 07:54 |
| kamui__ | I figure I'd be better off removing all the code, keeping all the existing functions, and recreating them from scratch | 07:55 |
| pupnik | yeah i tend to prefer removing to writing | 07:55 |
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| ruskie | hmm another highlight... unussual | 08:10 |
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| pupnik | avahi looks like the thing to use | 08:19 |
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| pupnik | agps is giving me a lock in 3 seconds while indoors | 09:09 |
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| pupnik | maemo mapper has gotten nicely more powerful! | 09:12 |
| glyph | I have installed gargoyle-free in my debian chroot | 09:12 |
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| Guest21470 | hello guys | 09:13 |
| glyph | it works beautifully outside LXDE, but I have one problem: the 'enter' key does not appear to be recognized | 09:13 |
| glyph | is there some xmodmap or xkb magic I might use to get it recognized? | 09:13 |
| Guest21470 | can anybody tell me how to download maepad? | 09:13 |
| Guest21470 | ???? | 09:14 |
| andre41 | maemo.org/downloads is my first guess | 09:14 |
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| Guest21470 | cant find it there | 09:15 |
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| andre41 | ah, then it's not in the stable Extras repository yet | 09:16 |
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| Guest21470 | mmmmm... | 09:17 |
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| andre41 | Guest21470, are you aware of the danger of using unstable software? | 09:17 |
| Guest21470 | not really:p | 09:17 |
| andre41 | then I will not recommend to enable Extras-Testing or Extras-Devel where Maepad probably currently is, until it has been tested enough | 09:17 |
| pupnik | glyph perhaps there is a tip somewhere in the debian chroot discussions. the problem is probably due to the keyboard generating keypad-enter instead of return-key. | 09:18 |
| andre41 | Guest21470, every app is moved to Extras and available via App Manager once it is tested enough | 09:18 |
| glyph | pupnik: Aha! Thanks, I think that's all I needed to know. I wonder how badly it will break if I permanently switch it :) | 09:18 |
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| glyph | pupnik: I'm already about to do http://www.natisbad.org/N900/n900-keyboard-remapping.html to make programming on my keyboard easier. | 09:19 |
| Guest21470 | thanx for the tip | 09:19 |
| pupnik | thanks, i'll check that out too | 09:19 |
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| konttori_nokia | does anybody know if X-Fade is available? | 09:38 |
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| mece | Why oh why does this button show up when run standalone but not when run as a widget? Grr Argh! | 09:42 |
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| mece | Can one get the std out from a widget somehow? | 09:43 |
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| jebba | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7972 yay! we'll be able to do working flashable kernel .debs again. Just need to wait for PR1.2. | 09:48 |
| povbot | Bug 7972: Kernel in PR1.1 build-depends on fiasco-gen which is nowhere to be found | 09:48 |
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| kamui__ | I hate to sound like a crusty old boob | 09:51 |
| kamui__ | but seriously? how many N900 owners aren't linux users | 09:51 |
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| kamui__ | this dire warning about extras-devel should be a good lesson learned for some, and of no consequence for the rest | 09:51 |
| kuriiri | i know 3 =) | 09:51 |
| jebba | or more should just be promoted to extras-testing... | 09:52 |
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| ifreq | mourning | 09:52 |
| jebba | basically, if it isnt a complete wreck, would be nice to have in -testing. | 09:52 |
| ifreq | is it possible to add commands to network profiles? | 09:55 |
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| ifreq | mostly im interested which commands are used for diff profiles | 09:55 |
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| kamui__ | yea, ,seriously | 10:01 |
| kamui__ | oh well | 10:01 |
| kamui__ | bed time for me, later gents | 10:01 |
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| Shrik3 | http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=182617 | 10:12 |
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| Stskeeps | don't know if people use ovi suite with n900.. | 10:13 |
| mece | Stskeeps, does ovi suite work with N900? I thought it didn't. | 10:16 |
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| mece | Stskeeps, does ovi suite work with N900? I thought it didn't. | 10:17 |
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| Daniel | Hey | 10:19 |
| mece | hi | 10:19 |
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| mece | I have an interesting problem, and I need some method of reading the output. | 10:40 |
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| mece | The python desktop widget I'm working on has some buttons in the config menu, but when used properly as a widget, only one of them show up. | 10:41 |
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| mece | They both show up when ran standalone or when used properly as a widget in sdk. So is there any way to read the console output from a widget? | 10:42 |
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| sinclair | hi everyone | 10:42 |
| mece | hi | 10:43 |
| adeus | are you writing the output? | 10:43 |
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| mece | adeus, well some of it. | 10:45 |
| mece | adeus, stuff like print "found " + filename | 10:46 |
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| mece | adeus, problem is that I can't debug this because it works on every other place except where it matters (the device) | 10:46 |
| mece | and I get output if errors occur on every other place. | 10:47 |
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| Corsac | jebba: about archive rebuilds, you might want to contact Lucas Nussbaum, which rebuilds debian sid on grid5000 regularly | 10:52 |
| Corsac | (basically the whole archive is rebuilt in the time needed to build openoffice) | 10:52 |
| Corsac | though it's on amd64 so it wouldn't be fair to compare with a build using some kind of emulation :/ | 10:53 |
| lucas | Corsac/jebba: can I have some context? ;) | 10:53 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:54 |
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| Corsac | lucas: yeah, sec | 10:57 |
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| Corsac | lucas: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-February/024333.html | 10:58 |
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| jebba | Corsac: i'm working on building them on Amazon's EC2 (compute cluster) right now. | 11:23 |
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| Remosi | hrm | 11:25 |
| Remosi | what are you using to build them? do you need root? | 11:25 |
| Remosi | I have a spare cluster here thats sitting a bit idle at the moment | 11:25 |
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| jebba | Remosi: i'm using maemo 5 sdk + sbdmock | 11:27 |
| jebba | how many nodes? What specs? | 11:27 |
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| Corsac | jebba: yup, but you might benefit using lucas experience. And /if/ lucas's interested about maemo QA he might offer you grid5k help but I wasn't implying this (I'm not sure he has the will or anything) | 11:28 |
| Remosi | 56ish nodes currently spare, core 2 duo's with 4G of ram | 11:28 |
| Corsac | jebba: but my point was that he knows quite some stuff about massive archive rebuild, so it could have valuable information :) | 11:28 |
| jebba | i'm not french for grid5000 ;) | 11:28 |
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| jebba | ah ya, for sure :) I'll see if he's written up anything about it. | 11:29 |
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| jebba | Remosi: sync over debian etch source to it... | 11:30 |
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| jebba | how you sitting on 56 idle boxes anyway? | 11:30 |
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| Remosi | IT's the universities, I help admin it, it's going down for hardware upgrades in about a week, so noones starting new jobs | 11:31 |
| jebba | ah | 11:31 |
| Remosi | hrm | 11:31 |
| jebba | i dont have a good way to distribute builds to nodes yet. I checked out some debian packages that do it.... but none of them are for maemo's sbdmock of cours.e | 11:32 |
| Remosi | hrm | 11:32 |
| Remosi | that's annoying | 11:33 |
| jebba | Remosi: like debian etch source, the maemo-extras repo (binaries), and maybe even nokia binaries local are really needed. | 11:33 |
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| Remosi | I have a fair amount of bandwidth to a local debian mirror | 11:33 |
| Remosi | maemo-extra's and so on, perhaps less so | 11:33 |
| jebba | where is it? | 11:33 |
| Remosi | Waikato University, Hamilton, New Zealand. | 11:34 |
| Remosi | (aka, the wrong end of the Internet to everything else) | 11:34 |
| jebba | i'll see if you have a fast connection to amazon s3, 1 sec | 11:34 |
| Remosi | unless theres KAREN, AARNET, Internet2 or otherwise connectivity | 11:34 |
| lucas | jebba: don't hesitate to ask if I can be helpful. will you be at fosdem? | 11:35 |
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| lucas | given infinite time, I would be interested in maemo QA. I'm not sure I can find the time though. | 11:35 |
| Remosi | The world needs far more time :) | 11:36 |
| jebba | Remosi: how fast can you download this? http://fog.freemoe.org/repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/b/beneath-a-steel-sky/beneath-a-steel-sky_0.0372-3maemo4_all.deb (from amazon S3) | 11:37 |
| jebba | ah, lucas, you're right here. What a nice surprise. :) I won't be at fosdem unfortunately. So, how do you distribute the build jobs? :) | 11:38 |
| * RST38h moos | 11:38 | |
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| Remosi | ~400KB/s | 11:38 |
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| jebba | that's a bit of a bottle neck then ;) | 11:39 |
| jebba | but not unusable. | 11:39 |
| Remosi | Yeah :/ | 11:39 |
| jebba | i'm a bit hestitant because i'm not certain if i'll be able to use it. I mean, we'd want like lenny i386 installed on the nodes and such. With amazon, i can just make an image and boot it up. It's quite rad. | 11:40 |
| Remosi | yeah | 11:41 |
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| Remosi | I'm wanting to get to the point that we can just schedule VM images onto the cluster | 11:41 |
| Remosi | since people always want rather odd dependancies for jobs | 11:41 |
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| Remosi | well they are running Lenny | 11:43 |
| jebba | lucas: i'll start reading your papers now ;) http://www.loria.fr/~lnussbau/files/debian-clade09.pdf | 11:43 |
| jebba | 64bit or 32bit? | 11:43 |
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| Remosi | 64bit | 11:45 |
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| jebba | Remosi: here's my cruft to set up a node: http://gitorious.org/freemoe/freemoe/blobs/master/bin/freemoe-build-node-setup | 11:49 |
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| Remosi | hrm | 11:50 |
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| * Remosi tries to think how best to do this, given that A) we're running 64bit and I'm pretty sure vdso in recent enough kernels can't be disabled, B) I'd really not mess up with whats installed on the box | 11:51 | |
| * Remosi ponders doing the entire thing in a chroot | 11:51 | |
| jebba | what about kvm? | 11:52 |
| jebba | vdso can be disabled afaik | 11:53 |
| jebba | 64bit is a small hassle since the SDK wants 32bit, but i'm sure that's solvable easily enough. | 11:53 |
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| pupnik | MADD is an option? or disable vdso with echo ? > /proc/? | 11:53 |
| pupnik | ah yes | 11:53 |
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| Remosi | jabba not on recent kernels, it's just not a sysctl you can turn off, it's just not there. | 11:54 |
| mece | yesssss!!! sys.stdout = open('/home/user/.output_log.txt', 'a') and sys.stderr = open('/home/user/error_log.txt', 'a') solved my problems :) | 11:55 |
| RST38h | "Google to enlist NSA to help it ward off cyberattacks" | 11:55 |
| Remosi | jebba, yeah, kvm might be a goer, lets see | 11:55 |
| Remosi | mece, nice | 11:55 |
| Remosi | rsalveti, I suspect that that is the other way around... | 11:55 |
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| RST38h | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/03/AR2010020304057.html?nav=igoogle | 11:55 |
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| Remosi | RST38h, well publically.... | 11:56 |
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| mece | RST38h, SCARY!! | 11:56 |
| * mece puts on his tinfoil hat | 11:56 | |
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| hrw | morning | 11:58 |
| jebba | Remosi: i see /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled on 2.6.32.7. But not in all kernel builds. | 11:59 |
| Corsac | jebba: my guess is that it requires CONFIG_COMPAT_VDSO | 11:59 |
| Corsac | which is disabled on debian builds | 11:59 |
| Remosi | cat: /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled: No such file or directory | 11:59 |
| Remosi | yeah | 11:59 |
| jebba | morning ;) | 12:00 |
| hrw | jebba: when lenny or squezze rebuild? | 12:01 |
| jebba | heh. | 12:01 |
| jebba | we're looking for a bigger box ;) | 12:02 |
| jebba | and i need to find a reasonable way to distribute the build jobs (or I can just kludge it on a smaller cluster easily enough) | 12:02 |
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| lucas | jebba: once the build nodes are setup, I just start the build using wrappers started by ssh | 12:11 |
| lucas | it's then quite easy to have a central node that schedules the builds on the various nodes | 12:11 |
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| jebba | lucas: where is this now? http://www-id.imag.fr/~nussbaum/katapult.php (404 from this page: https://www.grid5000.fr/mediawiki/index.php/Grid5000:Software ). | 12:14 |
| jebba | Basically; i just need that good scheduler to dole out the packages reasonably. I've looked at a couple from debian. I'm reading your paper now, but I dont see which it is you are using. | 12:14 |
| jebba | yet. | 12:14 |
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| Remosi | jebba, so, straight debian i386, then grab your script and run it? | 12:20 |
| jebba | grab my script, dwell upon what it might do, then run it ;) | 12:20 |
| Remosi | yeah I've read it, I was just confirming that you started with a blank debian i386 ;) | 12:20 |
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| jebba | Remosi: ya, that's starting from a pretty blank lenny i386 node spawned @ amazon | 12:21 |
| jebba | then you should be able to run "sbdmock" as user/builder | 12:21 |
| swc|666 | jebba, what specs are the box you ran that on ? | 12:22 |
| swc|666 | the etch builds* | 12:22 |
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| Remosi | jebba, how much storage does an individual node need? | 12:24 |
| jebba | swc|666: it was a virtual machine (KVM) inside a box with 8 CPUs and started with 4gigs of ram but i bumped it to 24gigs about 25% of the way in. | 12:24 |
| swc|666 | hmmm | 12:25 |
| Corsac | jebba: http://www.loria.fr/~lnussbau/katapult.html | 12:25 |
| jebba | Remosi: the /scratchbox is 4.2G Other than that, not much more space except the source itself and the build. | 12:26 |
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| wazd | symbian is now more open than maemo? :P | 12:27 |
| wazd | morn everyone :) | 12:27 |
| jebba | hey | 12:27 |
| Corsac | erf, but grenoble.grid5000.fr is not reachable from us mere mortal | 12:27 |
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| Corsac | wazd: hey | 12:27 |
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| asj_ | wazd: one word "capabilities" | 12:27 |
| jebba | Corsac: katapult is in sid (at least= | 12:28 |
| Remosi | so 10GB? | 12:28 |
| swc|666 | i may put some overclocked i7 power with a raid setup (non vm) and try to do the same soon | 12:28 |
| jebba | whoops, different katapult... | 12:28 |
| Corsac | jebba: don't think it's the same :) | 12:28 |
| jebba | Remosi: that sounds reasonable per node | 12:28 |
| asj_ | wazd: give me a symbian phone with capabilities turned off, a sane symbian build system, a good way to debug, good error messages, etc. Heh none of that will ever happen | 12:28 |
| MistaED | what license is this open source symbian? | 12:29 |
| hrw | swc|666: do not do etch build - do at least lenny | 12:29 |
| Remosi | jebba, cool | 12:29 |
| swc|666 | lenny/squueze is what i plan to do | 12:29 |
| swc|666 | both* | 12:29 |
| hrw | maemo17 will be lenny based | 12:29 |
| wazd | asj_: never say never :) | 12:30 |
| Corsac | but the sdk will still be etch based ;p | 12:30 |
| asj_ | wazd: come on, a sane symbian build system will never ever happen | 12:30 |
| jebba | hah | 12:30 |
| hrw | Corsac: of course | 12:30 |
| hrw | Corsac: nokia do not have money for paying sbox developer to make something more fresh | 12:31 |
| swc|666 | hrw, yep, they need all their $ to goto the apple defense fund | 12:31 |
| Remosi | I'd like to be able to just dev straight on the phone :P | 12:31 |
| * swc|666 throws his macbook pro out the window | 12:31 | |
| asj_ | they are paying out a dividend for last quarter... | 12:32 |
| Damion2 | glad uhsf got round to flashing his DOA phone | 12:32 |
| Damion2 | he sounded quite happy with it | 12:32 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly at http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo_Base_Port | 12:33 | |
| Corsac | what exactly do they mean by 'chipset' ? | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | that's what i'm wondering too | 12:34 |
| asj_ | what don't you understand? | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | that said, i'm happy to finally see some indications in this direction | 12:34 |
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| Corsac | looking at the table of contents, it looks like a complete plateform | 12:34 |
| Corsac | not just a chipset | 12:34 |
| * Corsac mumbles about nokia licensing maemo to other companies | 12:35 | |
| Stskeeps | think i need to poke some people and ask about that | 12:36 |
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| Stskeeps | i like that they put stronger demands on others than on themselves | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | such as usb host, heh | 12:37 |
| zaheerm | looks like conformance document for saying something is maemo | 12:37 |
| zaheerm | Stskeeps, kernel has to support it not the hw ;) | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:38 |
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| Stskeeps | that said, some of these requirements are bullcrap.. | 12:38 |
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| Stskeeps | :P | 12:38 |
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| zaheerm | i like the gstreamer modules qa requirements | 12:38 |
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| zaheerm | they seem happy with our requirements for elements' code to hit -good | 12:39 |
| frals | god this place is huge | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | where are you at now? :P | 12:39 |
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| frals | nrc helsinki | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yes, it is | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | i get lost constantly when i'm there | 12:40 |
| Myrtti | the last two experiences I've had of that place make me hate it a bit | 12:40 |
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| Myrtti | last time I was there for a user study of social media software twitter went down and I had to wait close to the door to the smoking area | 12:41 |
| Myrtti | the time before that I apparently was having a gallstone attack and had cold sweats of pain during the whole meeting | 12:41 |
| timeless_mbp | frals: you're there now? | 12:41 |
| * timeless_mbp should go in | 12:41 | |
| * timeless_mbp has a meeting @1 | 12:41 | |
| Stskeeps | The Base Port shall include the necessary device | 12:41 |
| * timeless_mbp also has a flight @6 | 12:41 | |
| Stskeeps | driver (e.g. flash, eMMC, cellular modem) support for the Nokia flashing solution and provide | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | performance close to the maximum theoretical write performance of the memory technology | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | used. | 12:42 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: "a base port which is 100x slower than optimal isn't a useful port" | 12:42 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: well, yes, but i was more worrying about the fact that well, the flashing communication protocol isn't actually open | 12:42 |
| timeless_mbp | roughly, what they're saying is "dear hardware solution vendor" | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:42 |
| timeless_mbp | "if you want to be a potential supplier. you must provide something that is readymade for production, and doesn't require years of tuning" | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | fair enough | 12:43 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders if that's a secret | 12:43 | |
| timeless_mbp | btw, if you guys can't read between those lines, you're fired ;-) | 12:43 |
| timeless_mbp | (or at least not hired) | 12:43 |
| wazd | guys, can you pelase make me a shot of e-mail notification and Marina with 1 window on the task swithcer? | 12:44 |
| jebba | Stskeeps: what exactly is that fantasy port? Full kernel git available? That would be nice ;) | 12:45 |
| zaheerm | wazd, you want to capture the white test? | 12:45 |
| zaheerm | s/test/text/ | 12:45 |
| infobot | zaheerm meant: wazd, you want to capture the white text? | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: yes, that was my initial impresssion too. as well as "theoretical max" | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | ah, it's on maemo-developers | 12:46 |
| wazd | zaheerm: well, I already have this shot, I just need the largest version of notification :P Design issues | 12:46 |
| zaheerm | wazd, does it have to be an email, can it be an IM or sms? | 12:46 |
| wazd | zaheerm: I really don't know what happened with font color, maybe I should ask AndrewFBlack or someone | 12:46 |
| wazd | zaheerm: well, it should be a yellow box :) | 12:47 |
| wazd | zaheerm: I don't know if they are different | 12:47 |
| zaheerm | wazd, im and sms are yellow boxes | 12:47 |
| wazd | zaheerm: not row, box | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: that said, i do wonder what the motivation is behind this document | 12:47 |
| wazd | zaheerm: that's fine then, I don't mind :) | 12:47 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: fictional writer motivation? :D | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: oh, that's very nice: The Base Port shall provide a modem plugin to adapt the oFono[17] open | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | source telephony solution to the platform (oFono standard). | 12:48 |
| ifreq | anyone planning to port cmus or moc? my skills are not enough todo such task | 12:49 |
| ifreq | ill be happy with an non repo opted binary even | 12:50 |
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| Corsac | "the kernel source code shall be available as a git repository with full commit history" | 12:52 |
| Corsac | hmh hmh | 12:52 |
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| Remosi | jebba, hrm, I think I'm almost ready | 12:52 |
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| zaheerm | wazd, turns out sending im to myself doesn't come thesame way as someone else sending me an IM | 12:53 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, 'the kernel shall support kms' | 12:54 |
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| Corsac | is there even a kms driver for omapfb in the kernel? | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | well, this is m6 timeframe | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | so maybe they're sitting on one | 12:55 |
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| Corsac | that could mean they're working on it | 12:55 |
| Corsac | 'fixed in harmattan' style :) | 12:55 |
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| hrw | Stskeeps: I wonder if nokia will follow this doc | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: i will be positively surprised | 12:56 |
| zaheerm | the doc isn't hard for nokia to follow | 12:56 |
| Corsac | hmhm, kernel49, magnetometer ;) | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 12:57 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: so do I | 12:57 |
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| hrw | Corsac: kernel3 would be nice | 12:57 |
| hrw | and kernel2 | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: btw, http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-cellular | 12:58 |
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| jebba | would be just nice to be able to flash the current kernel.... ;) | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:59 |
| RST38h | Symbian^2 open sourced today | 12:59 |
| RST38h | RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: at least there's plenty of material for the rumour mill | 13:00 |
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| jebba | Stskeeps: hmm, can't git clone git://gitorious.org/maemo-cellular/ofono.git get: "fatal: no matching remote head" | 13:01 |
| fragment | RST38h: AAAaa | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: ah, nothing uploaded yet | 13:01 |
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| Stskeeps | i wonder if mer could even get remotely closed to qualifying for it, heh | 13:01 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, mostly hw oriented | 13:01 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: definitely :) | 13:03 |
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| Maja___ | Some bi or les girl there? | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | probably, but this isn't really a pick-up chatroom | 13:05 |
| jaska | not that kind of channel im afraid, also probably wrong irc network for that | 13:05 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:06 |
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| hrw | n8x0 is not yet fully present in Linus kernel tree - right? | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | right | 13:09 |
| crashanddie | if by Linus you mean Linux, yes | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | and probably never would | 13:09 |
| crashanddie | *will | 13:09 |
| crashanddie | The point of Linux isn't to support everything out there | 13:09 |
| zaheerm | Stskeeps, what do you mean by "isn't really" ;) | 13:09 |
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| crashanddie | not all in one single kernel, anyway | 13:10 |
| Corsac | crashanddie: hmhm, I kind of disagree | 13:10 |
| crashanddie | I'm happy for you | 13:10 |
| hrw | crashanddie: by "Linux kernel tree" I mean "Linus Torvalds Linux kernel tree also known as mainline" | 13:10 |
| Corsac | upstream definitely push downstream to include as much stuff as possible in mainline | 13:10 |
| Corsac | (properly maintained, though) | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | zaheerm: i stopped claiming irc isn't a place for pickup in general after people comes to tell me that they got laid due to my IRCd software. :P | 13:10 |
| Corsac | :)) | 13:10 |
| wazd | zaheerm: heh :) | 13:11 |
| crashanddie | hrw: my point still stands | 13:11 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: lol | 13:11 |
| lardman | new sales pitch for it then? | 13:11 |
| jebba | Remosi: i added a slightly different freemoe-rebuild-debs file to the git repo. You can just feed that script a .dsc and it will crank out the package. Also see the sdbmock files in servers/obra which need to be added to ~/.sbdmock. I'm off to sleep RSN. | 13:12 |
| Remosi | jebba, Awesome! | 13:12 |
| zaheerm | Stskeeps, lol | 13:12 |
| Remosi | jebba, which timezone are you in? | 13:12 |
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| hrw | crashanddie: my n810 runs Linux in 2.6.18-nokia version. I am unable to upgrade to 2.6.33-rc5 vanilla. | 13:13 |
| jebba | MST GMT -7 ... (Colorado USA) | 13:14 |
| crashanddie | hrw: and? | 13:14 |
| Remosi | jebba, ah sleep well, I'm off to bed soon too (NZT, GMT+13) | 13:14 |
| crashanddie | hrw: is that because of drivers or armel support? | 13:14 |
| jebba | Remosi: my NZ fotos: http://jebba.blagblagblag.org/nz/ ;) | 13:15 |
| Remosi | Awesome : | 13:15 |
| hrw | crashanddie: drivers written by nokia were not merged | 13:16 |
| crashanddie | hrw: TADAAA | 13:16 |
| wazd | heh, JooJoo is ready for manufacturing :) | 13:17 |
| zerojay | Awwww. I wanted to tell that guy I was a bi or les girl. :/ | 13:17 |
| zerojay | I'm not, but it would have been funny at least. | 13:18 |
| zerojay | Stskeeps: I met my wife on IRC over 10 years ago. | 13:18 |
| crashanddie | zerojay: hmm, I guess IRC isn't that good for one's sex life after all then | 13:19 |
| Corsac | wazd: erf, they claim 'full hd support' with a 1366x768 screen | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | zerojay: not putting down the concept, it just confirms that romances happen in weird places :P | 13:19 |
| Corsac | zerojay: thanks to unrealircd? | 13:19 |
| crashanddie | lol... forgot to mention "720p" | 13:19 |
| mgedmin | maybe they can downsample 1080p videos? | 13:19 |
| crashanddie | indeed, it may be capable of reading a 1080p signal | 13:20 |
| wazd | Corsac: full hd "playback" | 13:20 |
| zerojay | Stskeeps: Indeed. | 13:21 |
| zerojay | Corsac: No, not unrealircd. | 13:21 |
| Corsac | ok, so it can read full hd stuff and outputs them to /dev/null | 13:21 |
| pupnik | recall omap3 propaganda from TI referring to fullspeed HD playback... | 13:22 |
| Corsac | yeah | 13:22 |
| zerojay | Extras devel hash mismatch? | 13:24 |
| jebba | and? | 13:24 |
| pupnik | BADSIG? | 13:24 |
| lucas | jebba: katapult is useless outside of grid5000. regarding scheduler, I wrote my own. the code is available, but there are probably too many grid'5000 specificities in it to be useful | 13:25 |
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| * mgedmin has an asus eeepc 900 connected to a Full HD TV. the asus can display 1080p, but it cannot decode even 720p... | 13:25 | |
| mgedmin | I'd rather have it the other way around | 13:25 |
| acidjazz | 1080p requires 4x cpu power than 720p | 13:25 |
| wazd | damn, if they can keep the price at $500 then JooJoo looks interesting | 13:25 |
| lucas | jebba: I'd recommend writing your own. what mine does is to take a list of (expected duration, command) as input, and schedule them on nodes longest first | 13:25 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: if it's hackable, it might even run mer ;p | 13:26 |
| jebba | lucas: might be useful to look at. Are ou talking about http://jebba.blagblagblag.org/nz/ | 13:26 |
| hrw | acidjazz: or nvidia gfx card | 13:26 |
| jebba | whoops http://kadeploy.imag.fr/ | 13:26 |
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| lucas | jebba: no kadeploy is the tool used to deploy (install) build nodes | 13:26 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: it's just an Atom, ofcourse it is :P | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: doesn't mean you can get in and replace kernel and rootfs though : | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | / | 13:27 |
| lucas | jebba: the job scheduler is http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/collab-qa/debcluster/scripts/masternode.rb | 13:27 |
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| BENHUR | Hellooooooooooo!!! | 13:28 |
| lucas | jebba: but it's very hackish | 13:28 |
| asj_ | if I don't go to bed tonight will tomorrow not come? | 13:28 |
| asj_ | I have to do symbian devel tomorrow and I don't want to | 13:28 |
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| pupnik | fosdemmers can come to #fosdem for logistical or other chat | 13:31 |
| hrw | how to kill maemo5 UI: transmit few GB over sshfs over wifi | 13:31 |
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| zaheerm | wazd, http://www.flickr.com/photos/aandza/4329396781/sizes/o/ | 13:31 |
| wazd | zaheerm: oh, thanks a lot | 13:31 |
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| mgedmin | hrw, been there, done that | 13:33 |
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| mgedmin | hildon-thumbnailer sucks | 13:33 |
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| mgedmin | did you know it rebuilds thumbnails of the photos if you change their tags? | 13:33 |
| asj_ | damn just saw that the n900 can do google chat video, that would be sweet | 13:33 |
| hrw | mgedmin: does not suprise me. | 13:34 |
| lucas | asj_: *can't*? | 13:34 |
| hrw | mgedmin: if something can be broken then maemo has it apply | 13:34 |
| asj_ | lucas: can, if they call you with video | 13:34 |
| mgedmin | s/maemo/the whole software industry/ | 13:34 |
| lucas | asj_: google chat with video between n900 didn't work for me | 13:34 |
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| Corsac | lucas: I managed to have an *audio* chat on jabber between n900 and empathy on squeeze | 13:35 |
| asj_ | lucas: right, it can't initiat, but if someone else initiates it it'll give you the option to turn on your camera too | 13:35 |
| Corsac | lucas: but video didn't seem to work because of codecs mismatchs | 13:35 |
| Corsac | (in both sides) | 13:35 |
| lucas | asj_: ah ok, so it works, except if you don't use 2 n900s ;) | 13:35 |
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| lucas | s/don't// | 13:36 |
| infobot | lucas meant: asj_: ah ok, so it works, except if you use 2 n900s ;) | 13:36 |
| asj_ | exactly | 13:36 |
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| lucas | nice | 13:36 |
| asj_ | but it's promissing | 13:37 |
| lucas | yup, I wasn't being sarcastic :-) | 13:37 |
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| asj_ | lucas: ya, too bad the n900 is getting too old...maybe the next device will support it well ;) | 13:38 |
| Corsac | n900 is already deprecated anyway | 13:38 |
| jonnylamb | Can anyone just add himself to the "maintainer list" for a package in extras? | 13:39 |
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| zerojay | jonnylamb: Someone take over one of your packages? | 13:39 |
| jonnylamb | For example, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/account-plugin-haze/ -- who the hell is Mr. Zhang? | 13:39 |
| jonnylamb | I don't really care if he wants to take any credit, but I don't really want him to have any "smart ideas" and start uploading packages without talking to me. | 13:40 |
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| zerojay | Username "urmybaby"? wtf. | 13:40 |
| zerojay | Grand total of 4 karma. | 13:40 |
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| jonnylamb | I have a massive ten more than him. | 13:41 |
| zerojay | I thought there was at least some oversight over it... like the current maintainer has to approve. | 13:41 |
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| alterego | Anyone played with the clutter effects in hildon? | 13:41 |
| jonnylamb | zerojay: Yes, I thought that was in place too, but I certainly haven't approved anyone. | 13:42 |
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| jebba | thx lucas, grabbing that svn repo now. | 13:42 |
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| crashanddie | ok, decision taken, going to get a kawa er5 | 13:43 |
| crashanddie | considering I had my bike license revoked in france, I need to go through the whole cycle again now that I'm in oz | 13:44 |
| Corsac | bike license? | 13:44 |
| crashanddie | motorbike | 13:44 |
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| Corsac | oh ok | 13:45 |
| Corsac | I didn't parse kawa to kawasaki :) | 13:45 |
| jonnylamb | You can ride a 500cc with a revoked license?! | 13:45 |
| Corsac | (I parsed it to kawa like, coffee) | 13:45 |
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| crashanddie | jonnylamb: well, to them I don't have a license at all | 13:46 |
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| crashanddie | jonnylamb: so it's a learner's license | 13:46 |
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| jonnylamb | And you can ride something like that on a learner license? | 13:46 |
| crashanddie | it's only 50hp | 13:46 |
| crashanddie | so yeah | 13:46 |
| crashanddie | miles away from my ninja 650 | 13:47 |
| asj_ | crashanddie: I have an er-6 | 13:47 |
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| crashanddie | i was hesitating between the suku 250 bandit, but I can't be bothered to have a 4 stroke | 13:48 |
| asj_ | crashanddie: my motorcycle license tranfered straight from my old one | 13:48 |
| jonnylamb | On a provisional in the UK you can only ride up to 125cc, 14.6bhp. | 13:48 |
| crashanddie | jonnylamb: which is why I never bothered in the UK | 13:48 |
| asj_ | so I got a full open license in oz ... no hassles, no learners, etc | 13:48 |
| crashanddie | asj_: nice, you in oz as well? | 13:49 |
| jonnylamb | Or you could, you know, just take the test. | 13:49 |
| asj_ | crashanddie: yeah, in brisse | 13:49 |
| crashanddie | asj_: bane? | 13:49 |
| asj_ | yes | 13:49 |
| crashanddie | no shit, me too | 13:49 |
| asj_ | crashanddie: what brought you over? | 13:49 |
| solrize | newegg is having a valentines special for the n900 if anyone cares | 13:49 |
| crashanddie | asj_: work | 13:49 |
| crashanddie | asj_: working for TMR | 13:49 |
| asj_ | crashanddie: ah cool, same here | 13:49 |
| crashanddie | well, contractor for them | 13:49 |
| asj_ | solrize: how much? | 13:50 |
| solrize | 529 | 13:50 |
| asj_ | isn | 13:50 |
| asj_ | 't dell under 450? | 13:50 |
| crashanddie | asj_: TMR as well? | 13:50 |
| wazd | zaheerm: and wide notifications look OK? | 13:50 |
| solrize | i think the dell deal dried up and people had all kinds of problems with dell too | 13:50 |
| solrize | i'm looking at google shopping and 529 is really good | 13:50 |
| asj_ | crashanddie: nope, R&D elsewhere | 13:50 |
| crashanddie | k | 13:50 |
| solrize | unfortunately there would be about 50 bucks sales tax where i am | 13:50 |
| crashanddie | asj_: you have an N900? I can borrow you mine if you want to play with it | 13:51 |
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| asj_ | crashanddie: oh yes I have one :) | 13:51 |
| crashanddie | k | 13:51 |
| solrize | in fact the price seems to have gone UP in the past few weeks | 13:51 |
| asj_ | wife does too ;) | 13:51 |
| crashanddie | asj_: how long you been in oz for? | 13:51 |
| asj_ | crashanddie: since Oct | 13:51 |
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| crashanddie | oh pretty recent then, cool, whereabouts you livin'? | 13:52 |
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| crashanddie | burbs or city? | 13:52 |
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| asj_ | crashanddie: out by Carrindale shopping center, in the burbs | 13:52 |
| zaheerm | wazd, yep they look fine | 13:52 |
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| crashanddie | hmm | 13:52 |
| zaheerm | wazd, nice dark background with readable text | 13:52 |
| crashanddie | asj_: how's the traffic with a bike from the burbs? | 13:53 |
| crashanddie | (if you work in CBD) | 13:53 |
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| asj_ | crashanddie: I work futher out, so it's reverse commute down the gateway | 13:53 |
| crashanddie | k | 13:53 |
| LOD | hey | 13:53 |
| LOD | Im looking for information about GPS's bug ; GPS doesn't work on N900 ; anyone here gets an idea about when it will be fixed ? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5337 ; I confirm this bug, so I returned my n900 to Nokia :( | 13:53 |
| povbot | Bug 5337: Ovi Maps gives up finding GPS lock too soon | 13:53 |
| asj_ | 100km the whole way, when the limit allows it :) | 13:53 |
| LOD | eh, I see its hot topic ;) | 13:54 |
| crashanddie | LOD: no, that's just a bot | 13:54 |
| crashanddie | bug #123 | 13:54 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123 Dialogs will be transparent as soon as tiping on the top bar | 13:54 |
| LOD | hehe k | 13:54 |
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| crashanddie | LOD: you sent your N900 back for a bug? | 13:54 |
| crashanddie | anyway, I'm out, couple of friends arrived and we're going for drinks | 13:55 |
| LOD | and other bugs ;) yes ofCourse, you know the phone price ;) | 13:55 |
| LOD | cu... | 13:55 |
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| crashanddie | asj_: talk later mate, would be good to meet up if you ever feel like it | 13:55 |
| asj_ | crashanddie: yeah would be good, we'll talk about it later | 13:55 |
| koala_man | how are you even supposed to find an area without a cellular connection :O | 13:55 |
| asj_ | koala_man: foreign country, no local sim (yet) | 13:56 |
| LOD | there is no commun point between GPS and cellulars | 13:56 |
| wazd | zaheerm: ok, looks like I've fixed it | 13:57 |
| koala_man | asj_: I've never had problems with that. is it a subscription thing? | 13:57 |
| wazd | zaheerm: if you don't mind, can you please take a shot of a calendar app? | 13:57 |
| wazd | zaheerm: some views | 13:57 |
| zaheerm | wazd, ok | 13:58 |
| asj_ | koala_man: with unassisted GPS lock or lack of intl roaming? | 13:58 |
| koala_man | lack of intl roaming | 13:58 |
| asj_ | koala_man: non of my US sims have intl roaming | 13:59 |
| koala_man | ah. US. say no more. | 13:59 |
| asj_ | I actually have a NZ sim I used for some limited roaming | 13:59 |
| asj_ | koala_man: but you might not want to pay the $2 to download the 10k of ephemeris data either | 14:00 |
| wazd | daaaamn | 14:00 |
| wazd | I have a great idea for the device to manufacture! | 14:00 |
| koala_man | I guess you could reproduce the bug by taking the sim out? | 14:00 |
| asj_ | yup | 14:00 |
| asj_ | or going offline I would assume | 14:00 |
| zaheerm | wazd, i have week, month and agenda view | 14:00 |
| wazd | zaheerm: that's enough I think, thanks for the help | 14:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | I have been playing with the above bug. | 14:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Powering off, resetting GPS position with the included app in the bug report, leaving 30 mins without battery, and retrying with no/various SIMs with and without network connection | 14:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I have yet to - in reasonable signal conditions - get it to exceed 10 min lock time | 14:07 |
| SpeedEvil | which is really bad - but at least works. | 14:07 |
| LOD | a kind a workaround, not a solution :s | 14:07 |
| LOD | of* | 14:08 |
| SpeedEvil | this should be worst case. | 14:08 |
| LOD | its a 6 months or more bug :s | 14:08 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 14:08 |
| LOD | weird how it take time to fix it :( | 14:09 |
| jaska | my first n810 lock took about a day | 14:09 |
| LOD | s | 14:09 |
| SpeedEvil | and people are not contributing to the bug with accurate complete reports to enable it to be narrowed down | 14:09 |
| hrw | LOD: so it is fresh | 14:09 |
| LOD | hmm, k, I you say | 14:09 |
| SpeedEvil | fizing can be hard if it does not occur for those trying to debug it. | 14:09 |
| SpeedEvil | fixing | 14:09 |
| LOD | see the bug report url I gave, theres hundreds answers and tests reports | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | err - no | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | there are about 4 | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | from 2 people | 14:10 |
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| hrw | wazd: now I also have write notifications on yellow | 14:11 |
| hrw | wazd: with 1.05 ver | 14:11 |
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| wazd | hrw: ok, wait a bit for a fix :) | 14:12 |
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| LOD | yes SpeedEvil sorry, its on another report https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7026 | 14:14 |
| povbot | Bug 7026: Can't get a GPS lock with several satellites at view | 14:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes - tehre are detailed reports from around 3 or 4 people. | 14:16 |
| LOD | hehe, ok | 14:16 |
| hrw | wazd: great that you found it | 14:16 |
| LOD | so, may the force be with you ;) | 14:17 |
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| ShadowJK | must be a pita, people whining and whining yet not providing requested info :) | 14:24 |
| SpeedEvil | 'me too' is not a | 14:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | to be fair, it's not a completely trivial bug to test | 14:25 |
| wazd | zaheerm: ping? :D | 14:27 |
| zaheerm | wazd, i pm'd you... | 14:28 |
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| wazd | zaheerm: aaah | 14:28 |
| wazd | zaheerm: I have paranoid PM system | 14:28 |
| zaheerm | wazd, can i pm you now then? :) | 14:29 |
| ShadowJK | iirc from staring at N810, you needed 2-3 satellites with >30ish signal strength or you'd wait forever | 14:29 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yes. This is in one case - open sky and took 10 | 14:29 |
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| hrw | hmm.. new release of qt 4.6 for maemo again | 14:30 |
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| mgedmin | 2-3 satelites? | 14:31 |
| mgedmin | you can't get a fix with just 2 satelites! | 14:31 |
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| marmoute | hi | 14:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | mgedmin: you can get a time fix | 14:35 |
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| ShadowJK | mgedmin: 2-3 over 35 | 14:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | the over 35 is likely to be able to download the almanac or ephemerides without error | 14:36 |
| SpeedEvil | but one should be adequate for this purpose | 14:36 |
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| ShadowJK | hey, the satellite signal meter on maemo5 location-test-ui goes from yellow to green at about 35 | 14:37 |
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| wazd | Please could you write when it try to connect to internet? I don't understand when it try connect, because I have set update every 1 hour, but not selected WLAN&GSM.It try connect again. When i ended incoming call it ask for selection of cennection (I storno this choise). 2 hour later N900 was connection to (trusted) WLAN. | 14:42 |
| wazd | what the hell does that mean? :D | 14:42 |
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| adeus | engrish | 14:43 |
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| Damion2 | wazd: sounds like an app is trying to establish a connection and they don't have automatic connect enabled | 14:46 |
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| terrybogard | hey? | 14:57 |
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| terrybogard | how do i know if a folder is 'non vfat'??? | 14:58 |
| dnaumov | vfat does not apply to folders | 14:59 |
| dnaumov | its a filesystem | 14:59 |
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| dnaumov | as in, fat16/fat32 | 14:59 |
| pekuja | I'm going to assume whoever told you something about "non-vfat folders" meant folders on a vfat filesystem | 14:59 |
| pekuja | I mean not on a vfat filesystem | 15:00 |
| pupnik | it is yo momma... vfat. haha | 15:00 |
| terrybogard | sorry i read it on the maemo.org forum | 15:00 |
| terrybogard | im trying to take hdr photos | 15:00 |
| terrybogard | im not too familiar with linux file systems | 15:00 |
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| pekuja | terrybogard: I presume the point is that vfat isn't too fast | 15:01 |
| terrybogard | well it says to place the files in a non vfat folder | 15:02 |
| terrybogard | to run it | 15:02 |
| terrybogard | 1) Place the files contained in the attached file in a non vfat folder eg., ~. | 15:02 |
| villager | everything under MyDocs is vfat, everything else isn't, simple | 15:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | you cannot run programs from vfat | 15:03 |
| mgedmin | villager, there's also /media/mmc* | 15:03 |
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| terrybogard | ah ok so id need an ssh client to upload the files elsewhere | 15:04 |
| mgedmin | or copy to vfat and then move them with xterm | 15:04 |
| mgedmin | but yeah, ssh is very convenient | 15:04 |
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| terrybogard | cool thanks ill give it a try :) | 15:04 |
| SpeedEvil | scp foo root@phone:/where/ever/ | 15:05 |
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| villager | mgedmin: guess so, if you have a vfat sd... I don't use it myself, so don't really remember that stuff | 15:05 |
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| terrybogard | ok sorry in advance for seeming like a complete idiot but how do i run a .sh script? | 15:13 |
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| torindel | terrybogard: sh filename.sh | 15:14 |
| torindel | or ./filename.sh if it got +x bit set | 15:14 |
| terrybogard | thanks ill give it another shot | 15:14 |
| mgedmin | +x bit won't work under MyDocs, which is mounted with noexec | 15:15 |
| Corsac | and there's the run-standalone.sh script which sets the environment or something? | 15:16 |
| terrybogard | im getting errors that say gst-launch: not found | 15:17 |
| thresh | what could be the cause of usb0 not transmitting any packets? | 15:17 |
| SpeedEvil | cable not plugged in? | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | select pc suite mode? | 15:18 |
| satmd | mh, did anyone get sip video calls working? | 15:18 |
| dazo | Does the MyDocs partition really need to be vfat? what about ext3? | 15:18 |
| terrybogard | i didnt think maemo 5 supports video calls | 15:18 |
| thresh | cable plugged in, of course, ip li on machine doesnt say no-carrier | 15:19 |
| satmd | terrybogard: apparently it works for skype | 15:19 |
| thresh | ifconfig on device shows the same | 15:19 |
| thresh | pc suite mode is selected. | 15:19 |
| dazo | terrybogard: it says that 3G videocalls is not supported but will be in the future, iirc the web page | 15:19 |
| satmd | sip allows me to turn on the cam, but there's no video transmitted | 15:19 |
| * satmd talks about sip over wlan | 15:19 | |
| terrybogard | satmd: the skype thats built in ?? | 15:19 |
| satmd | iirc, yes | 15:19 |
| thresh | route add default 192.168.2.14 says no such device :o | 15:19 |
| thresh | i've ifupped usb0 of course | 15:20 |
| satmd | 14:19:59 < thresh> route add default 192.168.2.14 says no such device :o | 15:20 |
| satmd | 14:19:59 < thresh> route add default gw 192.168.2.14 says no such device :o | 15:20 |
| terrybogard | i heard fring supported it but thats gone missing | 15:20 |
| thresh | oh shit | 15:20 |
| thresh | mmh works | 15:20 |
| thresh | thanks | 15:20 |
| satmd | :) | 15:20 |
| thresh | bloody route should be removed in favor of ip(8) | 15:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Bleh, need to glue the magnet for the kickstand back on my proto. . . . | 15:24 |
| KamuiN900 | im completely missing my magnet | 15:24 |
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| KamuiN900 | lost sdhc card ability | 15:24 |
| KamuiN900 | been meaning to go to radio shack to buy magnetic tape | 15:25 |
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| crashanddie | thresh: don't forget the "gw" keyword | 15:27 |
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| linuxgirl | hi guys | 15:30 |
| linuxgirl | what is this maemo thing? | 15:30 |
| SpeedEvil | maemo is an operating system for nokia internet tablets and the n900 phones, comprising closed nokia binaries and open-source elements. | 15:31 |
| tybollt | linux for small tablet/(phones) | 15:31 |
| ifreq | its a cave where all trolls go to lurk linuxgirl | 15:31 |
| SpeedEvil | ~maemo | 15:31 |
| infobot | it has been said that maemo is a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future. http://www.maemo.org/ | 15:31 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 15:31 |
| linuxgirl | cool | 15:31 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: heh... you just said "n900 phones" :) | 15:32 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: there is more than one phone. | 15:32 |
| tybollt | no | 15:32 |
| tybollt | _phone_ | 15:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I have one, and some other people have one - so it's phones. | 15:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gawd that's old. | 15:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~no Maemo is http://maemo.nokia.com/ http://maemo.org/ http://www.forum.nokia.com/Technology_Topics/Device_Platforms/Maemo.xhtml | 15:33 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles: okay | 15:33 |
| linuxgirl | there's no need to argue, guys :D | 15:34 |
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| terrybogard | has anyone here tried to get the hdr pictures script to work?! | 15:34 |
| w00t | welcome to the internet | 15:34 |
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| terrybogard | coz its wont work for me :( | 15:35 |
| ifreq | omg a nick with *girl included | 15:35 |
| ifreq | everyone goes nuts | 15:35 |
| Saviq | hi all, I'm trying to get the Maemo 4.1.2 SDK running on openSUSE 11.2, getting the known mmap: Permission Denied errors, no sysctl settings seem to help... | 15:35 |
| terrybogard | relax girl on teh intaweb means freaky old guy!! | 15:35 |
| lopz | hi ;=] | 15:35 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm betting on tentacled alien monstrosity myself. | 15:36 |
| torindel | dont forget old saying: internet is a place where men are men, women are men and children are fbi agents :P | 15:36 |
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| terrybogard | lol and im a videogame character! :p | 15:37 |
| timeless_mbp | arg. wtf | 15:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | Google Latitude Updater has a version pinned requirement for libqt4-* | 15:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol, somebody wants to use the flasher on their N97 and E71. . . . | 15:38 |
| terrybogard | cant blame them... symbian sucks! only thing it has of any use is free sat nav :S | 15:39 |
| crashanddie | goodluckwiththat | 15:39 |
| tybollt | I don't agree | 15:39 |
| crashanddie | oh will people shut the fuck up already about satnav | 15:39 |
| crashanddie | we'll get it, be frigging patient | 15:39 |
| fcrozat | for people going to FOSDEM this weekend : http://fosdem.org/2010/schedule/phone | 15:39 |
| * GeneralAntilles notes that mailing lists frequently get crazier people than Talk. | 15:39 | |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: wow | 15:39 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: I'm on both! | 15:39 |
| terrybogard | lol i am patient! | 15:39 |
| timeless_mbp | that's incredibly scary | 15:39 |
| tybollt | as someone having used symbian since oh... epoc days... I'll not admit to symbian being bad that easily :) | 15:39 |
| Corsac | -user or -developer? | 15:40 |
| terrybogard | but being patient doesnt mean we cant say wed like it sooner ;) | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Corsac, -developers | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Corsac, I unsubscribed from -users about a year ago and have never looked back. | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Corsac, that place is a cesspool of idiocy. | 15:41 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: +1 on the mascot thing | 15:41 |
| Corsac | fcrozat: now someoone needs to upload it to extras :) | 15:41 |
| pupnik | how can i be sure maep or maemo-mapper will keep the cache of the city i am visiting? | 15:41 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: no it's a small handheld computer w/ phone capability (if you ask me :) | 15:41 |
| pupnik | i dont see a cache setting | 15:41 |
| terrybogard | if maemo had a mascot what would it be?! its linuc so a penguin? | 15:41 |
| fcrozat | Corsac: ;) | 15:41 |
| terrybogard | linux* | 15:42 |
| tybollt | terrybogard: no it's nokia so it would be a truckwheel or something :) | 15:42 |
| mtnbkr | cell-phone sized mini penguin | 15:42 |
| jaska | or a rubber boot | 15:42 |
| KamuiN900 | anyone repartition the home and user fat storage locations? | 15:42 |
| torindel | terrybogard: i vote for something that will have big boobs :P | 15:43 |
| tybollt | jaska: or indeed ... a TV I believe :) | 15:43 |
| KamuiN900 | wondering how that will hurt me in the future as fae as upgrades | 15:43 |
| KamuiN900 | if at all | 15:43 |
| jaska | a tv with a picture of a boot?:) | 15:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | terrybogard, IF maemo.org had a mascot, it would be lardman. | 15:43 |
| terrybogard | torindel: itll help sell maemo to the masses!! | 15:43 |
| derf | A boot stamping on a human face forever? | 15:43 |
| Corsac | GeneralAntilles: it already is anyway :) | 15:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Corsac, well, not officially. ;) | 15:44 |
| terrybogard | GeneralAntilles: we shouldnt descriminate againt people with weight problems... it could be a medical condition!! | 15:44 |
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| libben | why has it been removed? http://store.ovi.com/content/26254 | 15:46 |
| terrybogard | libben: it contained mature/adult content! | 15:47 |
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| red | why? :D | 15:47 |
| red | i want to test that rofl | 15:47 |
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| libben | so where can i find it ? | 15:48 |
| libben | is it in extras devel =) | 15:48 |
| Corsac | was it available for n900 anyway? | 15:48 |
| libben | not sure | 15:48 |
| satmd | terrybogard I stand corrected, did not get skype video when testing | 15:48 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 15:48 | |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: so... | 15:48 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't get it | 15:48 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm restoring applications using HAM | 15:49 |
| timeless_mbp | after a reflash | 15:49 |
| terrybogard | libben: its not for n900 / maemo! | 15:49 |
| timeless_mbp | why isn't it having problems w/ the files that existed in /opt? | 15:49 |
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| terrybogard | satmd: if you can find it... fring apparently had video support | 15:49 |
| * satmd wants it for sip :( | 15:49 | |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, I think it just overwrites them. | 15:50 |
| terrybogard | just get skype! | 15:50 |
| timeless_mbp | satmd: what's wrong w/ the n900's integrated sip? | 15:50 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: interesting | 15:50 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, I have no real clue, though. | 15:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | konttori_nokia: hey, please visit sp3000 and say hello the the mozilla guys | 15:52 |
| timeless_mbp | they really need to see you | 15:52 |
| timeless_mbp | hopefully they're still around | 15:52 |
| * timeless_mbp isn't | 15:52 | |
| * timeless_mbp goes to catch flight | 15:52 | |
| timeless_mbp | btw, ham's accounting for package restoration is kinda bad | 15:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | it claimed that enus1 cost ~5mb, and that engb1 cost ~11mb | 15:53 |
| timeless_mbp | freoffice is version pinned against qt! | 15:53 |
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| mgedmin | americans use shorter words? | 15:54 |
| satmd | timeless_mbp: I don't get video support working | 15:54 |
| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: the actual locale packages are ~100k iirc | 15:54 |
| timeless_mbp | everything else is shared data | 15:54 |
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| favalli | ciao | 15:59 |
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| crashanddie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ | 16:02 |
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| crashanddie | "IRC is a pretty primitive system, it's what hackers use when they don't want to be overheard" | 16:04 |
| * tybollt giggles | 16:04 | |
| crashanddie | "Will we be able to listen in?" "Sure, in l33t. Luckily, I speak l33t" | 16:04 |
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| vesa | lucky they got the screenshot in time before everything was erased! | 16:07 |
| mece | aahaha classic! | 16:07 |
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| konttori_nokia | timeless, sp3000? what's that? | 16:08 |
| vesa | dang, i think stevenhong was a spy! we've been found out, quick - to the tinfoilmobile! | 16:08 |
| konttori_nokia | anyway, I met a few of them yesterday in 3E | 16:09 |
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| mtnbkr | He | 16:10 |
| pupnik | i fear my maep is not caching enough of brusselsnand route | 16:11 |
| mtnbkr | "He's probably trying to decode the backdoor... " | 16:11 |
| mtnbkr | the video that frals posted yesterday is... well... priceless (in a you've got to be kidding me sort of way) | 16:12 |
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| frals | note to self, dont take the morning flight to helsinki, come 1600 ur exhausted :P | 16:14 |
| vesa | hahaha. 10 people using google! | 16:15 |
| vesa | classic | 16:15 |
| tybollt | vesa? | 16:15 |
| mtnbkr | "OBVIOUSLY they are all coming from the same server..." | 16:15 |
| * mtnbkr facepalms | 16:15 | |
| vesa | tybollt: in response to the frals yesterdays link =) | 16:16 |
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| vesa | mtnbkr: his other videos aren't too bad either =P | 16:17 |
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| mtnbkr | vesa: I have them lined up for today's entertainment actually. :) | 16:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Interesting, "The Si4713 integrates transmit functions for FM broadcast stereo transmission. | 16:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | The chip also allows integrated receive power scanning to identify low signal | 16:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | power FM channels." | 16:22 |
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| lardman | yes | 16:25 |
| lardman | and it's accessible too | 16:25 |
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| lardman | there was a quick conversation on the ml about this regarding the FM tuner | 16:26 |
| w00t | I think I'm getting far too obsessed with this game | 16:26 |
| w00t | connect4 now has the beginnings of multiplayer support | 16:27 |
| lardman | I wonder if there's a Symbian build for the N900 floating around somewhere? | 16:27 |
| jaska | ugh | 16:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Didn't you hear? | 16:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo's been discontinued | 16:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | PR1.2 is actually Symbian^2 | 16:28 |
| lardman | after spending years hacking on the Psions I'm quite interested to know what the internals look like | 16:28 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: ugh :P | 16:29 |
| w00t | bad, bad GA | 16:29 |
| lardman | Symbian^3 at least I would hope ;) | 16:29 |
| w00t | say it too loudly and someone might think "hmm, that's not a bad idea" | 16:29 |
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| tybollt | though | 16:30 |
| tybollt | actually | 16:30 |
| tybollt | is there anything opensource about symbian | 16:30 |
| jaska | port winmo?:D | 16:30 |
| tybollt | or is that all proprietary? | 16:30 |
| lardman | hmm, can't see the docs unless you;'re a member of the foundation, bit crap | 16:30 |
| jaska | or if you were crafty, port winmo and symbian to run in userspace | 16:30 |
| lardman | tybollt: everything | 16:30 |
| tybollt | lardman: entire symbian source is open? | 16:30 |
| w00t | it's not proprietary any more | 16:30 |
| lardman | yes apparently | 16:31 |
| tybollt | nice nice | 16:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | tybollt, it was open sourced today. | 16:31 |
| jaska | and run osx arm in qemu (would need some fiddling) | 16:31 |
| tybollt | now to turn out to the VAST amount of symbian ... kernel hackers ;) | 16:31 |
| tybollt | s/out// | 16:31 |
| infobot | tybollt meant: now to turn to the VAST amount of symbian ... kernel hackers ;) | 16:31 |
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| jaska | not terribly useful without all the board support sources for nokia phones is it :) | 16:31 |
| zaheerm | anyone heard of a problem when turning on device, nokia screen comes up then 4 dots and then it dies going to a black screen | 16:31 |
| zaheerm | ? | 16:31 |
| tybollt | so symbian w/ hildon on it .... hmmm >:) | 16:32 |
| w00t | zaheerm: hmm. | 16:32 |
| w00t | zaheerm: it's been a while, but i think that's what happened when the girlfriend somehow stopped hers booting, a reflash fixed it | 16:33 |
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| tybollt | zaheerm: charge it!! | 16:33 |
| zaheerm | happened to my wife's n900, she is currently at work using her laptop to gtalk me | 16:33 |
| tybollt | huh? | 16:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | zaheerm, dropping the battery may help. | 16:33 |
| zaheerm | GeneralAntilles, seriously? | 16:33 |
| tybollt | you give your SO's n900's?? Ugh :-S | 16:33 |
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| w00t | tybollt: erm, there wasn't really a way around it | 16:33 |
| zaheerm | tybollt, no nokia gave her an n900 | 16:34 |
| w00t | she's a geek | 16:34 |
| tybollt | I gave mine an E71 and that's trouble enough as is ;P | 16:34 |
| w00t | she'd have murdered me if I didn't | 16:34 |
| tybollt | w00t: :D | 16:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | zaheerm, think so. | 16:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | zaheerm, don't recall the exact troubleshooting, though. | 16:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | zaheerm, 'course, it could be something else causing it. | 16:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anything weird installed lately? | 16:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tweakr's been known to cause boot loop.s | 16:35 |
| zaheerm | she doesn't install too much | 16:35 |
| tybollt | psion | 16:35 |
| tybollt | In 1980, Psion was founded by David Potter. | 16:35 |
| zaheerm | just games really | 16:35 |
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| tybollt | I knew it! | 16:35 |
| tybollt | Potter! | 16:35 |
| tybollt | it's a conspiracy! | 16:35 |
| fragment | zaheerm: booting with or without the charger? | 16:35 |
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| zaheerm | her charger is at home | 16:36 |
| wazd | http://s006.radikal.ru/i214/1002/9f/f9b32d26b2ab.png <- Marina Calendar design concept | 16:36 |
| zaheerm | so wiuthout charger | 16:36 |
| wazd | youe opinions? :) | 16:36 |
| wazd | your* | 16:36 |
| zaheerm | wazd, looks nice | 16:36 |
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| dazo | wazd: I like that a lot more! | 16:38 |
| Veggen | I consider giving my SO an N900...when I first got it, I spent a few days playing with it, after she declared "enough!", grabbed it, and declared "my turn!". I evnetually got it back, though.. ;P | 16:38 |
| tybollt | heh | 16:38 |
| tybollt | the one thing missus wants is Omweather on her phone (E71), not sure if it is ported to symbian but :) | 16:39 |
| lardman | Mine said she didn't like it, and also gave Timeless an ear bashing | 16:39 |
| zaheerm | mine said, why can't linux be more like this on the desktop | 16:39 |
| dazo | If I would have given my wife an N900 ... she would say: "Hey, you know I'm not a computer freak and you could rather spend those money to buy me a nice perfume!" | 16:40 |
| lardman | lol | 16:40 |
| tybollt | >:) | 16:40 |
| zaheerm | s/perfume/big diamond/ | 16:40 |
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| *** k-s[AWAY] is now known as k-s | 16:40 | |
| dazo | zaheerm: nah, she's not so much into diamond or jewellery ..... lucky me!!! :-P | 16:41 |
| Veggen | dazo: Should have done like me, and found someone in the local LUG :) | 16:41 |
| zaheerm | dazo, very lucky ;) | 16:41 |
| wazd | tybollt: it's not | 16:41 |
| lardman | zaheerm: not sure you get many big diamonds for the cost of an N900 tbh | 16:41 |
| dazo | Veggen: heh .... sometimes, I think that thought as well ..... but when I then know I would need to fight over the equipment I buy myself .... no thanks! ;-) | 16:42 |
| zaheerm | lardman, you could probably get a quarter carat or half carat for the price of an n900, but last time i bought a diamond ring was when we got engaged so i don't know | 16:42 |
| zaheerm | that was 7-8 years ago | 16:42 |
| tybollt | wazd: foreca then? :) | 16:43 |
| viukkis | diamonds won't get outdated and replaced with newer models in a couple of years though | 16:43 |
| dazo | true true! | 16:43 |
| wazd | tybollt: there are options on symbian | 16:43 |
| wazd | tybollt: accuweather for example | 16:43 |
| tybollt | wazd: do recommend something :) | 16:43 |
| tybollt | wazd: will check - ty | 16:44 |
| tybollt | wazd: wow that beat the living daylights out of om/foreca >:) | 16:45 |
| zaheerm | viukkis, in fact they seem to appreciate in value... | 16:45 |
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| wazd | OMWeather will soon be ported to Symbian I think - we're switching to Qt right now | 16:45 |
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| wazd | mind-blowing UI included | 16:45 |
| w00t | :) | 16:46 |
| tybollt | wazd: Will it be anything like accuweatehr I'll be impressed =) | 16:46 |
| tybollt | (yes... I can haz shiny... =) | 16:46 |
| wazd | tybollt: accuweather will look like tetris | 16:46 |
| tybollt | >:) | 16:46 |
| tybollt | wazd: So everything "new" is encouraged to be done in QT rather than gtk now? | 16:47 |
| wazd | tybollt: everything | 16:47 |
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| tybollt | I see | 16:47 |
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| wazd | we will rock | 16:47 |
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| tybollt | (developers developers developers) | 16:48 |
| tybollt | ;P | 16:48 |
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| MohammadAG | anyone thinking about dual booting symbian on the n900? | 16:51 |
| MohammadAG | now that it's open source | 16:51 |
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| timeless | vmware maybe :) | 16:53 |
| timeless | opensource doesn't guarantee support for random cellmo's | 16:53 |
| tybollt | qemu | 16:53 |
| timeless | did they open its archives or just a snapshot+future? | 16:54 |
| lcuk | tybollt, if you are experienced in gtk and can build the app you need in it, gfi, but if you are just on the fence and are agnostic to language etc, use qt | 16:54 |
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| timeless | note that Qt is really a bunch of things | 16:56 |
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| timeless | writing old Qt style apps is unlikely to get you shiny | 16:56 |
| MohammadAG | timeless, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8496263.stm | 16:56 |
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| w00t | echo 255 > /sys/class/leds/twl4030\:vibrator/brightness | 16:56 |
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| timeless | shiny tofay is iirc QPainter + bring your own ui designer | 16:57 |
| w00t | that's a trick I didn't know but will find useful | 16:57 |
| uhsf | since when is symbian open source? | 16:57 |
| dnaumov | since today | 16:57 |
| w00t | uhsf: today | 16:57 |
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| timeless | wow, microb's ui changed | 16:57 |
| uhsf | that's kinda special news | 16:57 |
| Khertan | Hello ! | 16:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, that sounds . . . good? | 16:58 |
| Khertan | hum ? | 16:58 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: he said it *changed* | 16:58 |
| w00t | not that it *improved* | 16:58 |
| w00t | it could easily go either way. | 16:58 |
| w00t | :P | 16:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, I'm always the optimist. | 16:58 |
| MohammadAG | uhsf, since 12 PM GMT | 16:58 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: *g* | 16:58 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 16:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though I'm continually punished for it, I will persevere! | 16:59 |
| Khertan | raahaha ... ovi store require a vat number ... grrrr | 16:59 |
| w00t | I'm the optimist now that I can make my phone vibrate at will | 16:59 |
| * w00t feels powerful | 16:59 | |
| odin_ | you can give OVI store a VAT number, ah great ! | 16:59 |
| * odin_ rubs hands | 16:59 | |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, the indicator and keyboard LEDs are also controllable. | 16:59 |
| w00t | yes | 16:59 |
| w00t | I found this out today too | 16:59 |
| Khertan | i can't as not all type of company have a vat number in france | 16:59 |
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| uhsf | what about Symbian on my Neo Freerunner? | 17:00 |
| timeless | gan; the alternative to wow would be 'arg' | 17:01 |
| w00t | timeless: oh dear | 17:01 |
| w00t | timeless: is it horrible? | 17:01 |
| Khertan | oh really ... this ovi store is really annoying | 17:01 |
| Khertan | i ll made my own payment system | 17:01 |
| Khertan | will be easier i think | 17:01 |
| timeless | w00t: minor changes, which i believe are improvements | 17:01 |
| w00t | hrrm./ | 17:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | The license for Symbian basically makes it Android. | 17:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, seems a lot of people are going that way. | 17:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Depressing. | 17:02 |
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| Khertan | Depressing and mainly stupid | 17:02 |
| Khertan | when i look for the first time at the documentation before trying to register | 17:03 |
| Khertan | they didn't mention n900 ... | 17:03 |
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| Khertan | they mention a list of authorized file ... java thing and signed java things | 17:03 |
| Khertan | any word about maemo | 17:03 |
| wizkoder | hy everybody | 17:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, Ovi Store should really be making it EASY for any developer to get their stuff out there. | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Instead it's making it HARDER. | 17:04 |
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| Khertan | for me noone can push anything to maemo and things push to store was done manually by someone | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | and Nokia wonders why they're losing ground to Apple and Android. | 17:04 |
| range | I really wonder why that stupid VAT number is required. | 17:05 |
| range | Still is - there were at least two threads and one brainstorm about that. | 17:05 |
| Khertan | specially that vat number isn't a mandatory in all eu country | 17:05 |
| range | (on TMO that is) | 17:05 |
| range | Khertan: Yeah. | 17:05 |
| Khertan | range: brainstorm is an useless things | 17:05 |
| range | That too. | 17:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hilarious EU regulations. | 17:06 |
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| * w00t just tweeted @ovibynokia | 17:06 | |
| w00t | wonder if I'll get a response :) | 17:06 |
| Khertan | regulations and eu in the same sentence make me things there is something wrong in the sentence | 17:06 |
| range | GeneralAntilles: Why? If I want to earn a bit of sidemoney from my fart detector application - why should I register a VAT number for that? | 17:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | range, because the EU is anti-business? | 17:06 |
| range | GeneralAntilles: Hu? | 17:07 |
| w00t | (http://twitter.com/w00teh) | 17:07 |
| Khertan | General ... i ve register a company to do small business | 17:07 |
| Khertan | no paper ... Just a online declaration | 17:07 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: VAT is not a requirement | 17:07 |
| Khertan | easier ... no tva to manage fix tax ... | 17:07 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles: but i didn't have a vat number | 17:07 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: well, it *is*, but only over a certain revenue | 17:08 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles: not all type of company have a vat number | 17:08 |
| pupnik | no fosdem khertan? | 17:08 |
| Khertan | nope | 17:08 |
| Khertan | :) | 17:08 |
| pupnik | oh well | 17:08 |
| range | That seems like a move by Nokia to keep out small developers. | 17:08 |
| hrw | bye - see you on fosdem or after | 17:08 |
| pupnik | it may be quality and accountability control | 17:08 |
| Khertan | range: hum ... they seems to keep out too large developper :) | 17:08 |
| pupnik | cu hrw - friday beer night? | 17:09 |
| timeless | it's not really nokia | 17:09 |
| hrw | pupnik: sure | 17:09 |
| Khertan | it s more for legality control | 17:09 |
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| timeless | it's the law makers and lawyers | 17:09 |
| pupnik | right | 17:09 |
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| Khertan | timeless: hum ... i didn't see the why | 17:09 |
| pupnik | not predisposed towards freedom | 17:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless, right, which means the EU's anti-business policies are making it easier for US companies to compete. | 17:10 |
| w00t | timeless: even if VAT registration is required for *some* entities, it isn't for all, and that should mean that it isn't *required* on the form | 17:10 |
| w00t | (or at least a note saying "enter 12345 here if your business is not registered for VAT", if they can't do that for whatever stupid reason of red tape) | 17:10 |
| Khertan | http://www.francethisway.com/wp/auto-entrepreneur-scheme-in-france/2009/04/ <<< good things ... but no vat number | 17:10 |
| timeless | ok, i'm departing terminal 1 | 17:10 |
| timeless | gan: the weak usd was helping too | 17:11 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles: EU isn't anti-business ... it s just depends who lobby paid the much deputy | 17:11 |
| timeless | but piigs is trying to fix that | 17:12 |
| Khertan | piigs ? | 17:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, well, Apple and Google don't require developers to leap Ovi's hurdles to distribute. | 17:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | So clearly something is skewed. | 17:12 |
| timeless | portugal, ireland, italy, greece, spain | 17:12 |
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| timeless | at least that's what bbc world said | 17:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, massive tax rates and insane bureaucratic overhead say "anti-business" to me. | 17:13 |
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| w00t | right, from a quick reading up, you don't *need* to register (in the UK) unless you are earning more than £63,000 a month | 17:13 |
| range | Oh, that's not EU - EU is better than some of the member countries there. | 17:13 |
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| w00t | for pretty much every small developer, there is no way in hell that is going to be the case. | 17:13 |
| w00t | you *can* voluntarily register | 17:13 |
| odin_ | w00t, yes thats the VAT threshold | 17:13 |
| w00t | but of course that creates more paperwork | 17:14 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles: yeah but for me it s not due to stupid people which are really anti-business but due to stupid corrupted deputies | 17:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, whatever, I think we can all agree that Ovi's a bad joke. | 17:14 |
| lcuk | not a bad joke | 17:14 |
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| w00t | a bad nightmare? | 17:14 |
| timeless | someone should look to see if vat id'd companies can easily do business w/ non id'd co' | 17:14 |
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| timeless | in the us, everyone needs an ssn/tin for reporting | 17:14 |
| timeless | even maids | 17:15 |
| w00t | timeless: in that case, I believe they have to invoice the individual, not the business | 17:15 |
| w00t | but my knowledge is rusty | 17:15 |
| Khertan | timeless: vat isn't mandatory ... SIRET is in france | 17:15 |
| w00t | so I'd have to actually read up | 17:15 |
| odin_ | timeless, yes course you can easily do business | 17:15 |
| range | timeless: Sure they can. I just cannot put any VAT into my invoice then. | 17:15 |
| timeless | anyway, the problem should sound familiar | 17:15 |
| w00t | oh, I'm speaking on the wrong thing actually, ignore me | 17:15 |
| Khertan | range: are you a french auto entrepreneur ? | 17:16 |
| range | No. | 17:16 |
| timeless | anyone here remember what qgil and co said about organizing maemo summit? | 17:16 |
| range | But I sometimes do a little training job besides my normal work. That doesn't earn me enough for getting a VAT id (here in Germany). | 17:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, no, clue? | 17:16 |
| Khertan | timeless: that he hope community do it next year ? | 17:16 |
| timeless | it's much easier for nokia to give out a lump than to deal w/ individual items | 17:16 |
| timeless | the overhead is high | 17:17 |
| lcuk | timeless, i believe that was wrt hotel rooms and stuffs, last year jaffa lost the rest of his hair trying to work out everything | 17:17 |
| Khertan | [16:17] <timeless> it's much easier for nokia to give out a lump than to deal w/ individual items <<< as i said all company didn't have a vat ... | 17:17 |
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| w00t | I suppose it's their decision what market they want to play in, really, and whether they want to remain relevent for app distribution | 17:18 |
| timeless | actually, yesterdat, someone was describe how they saw apple's expenses for the app store | 17:18 |
| timeless | and he pointed out that apple was mostly incurring overhead, their profit is still the initial sale | 17:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, sadly it's also hurting us, their consumers. . . . | 17:18 |
| w00t | it might make ovi less profitable as a single entity (though I have to say I'd still think it would be income), but it would bolster them in the market as a whole | 17:18 |
| timeless | sorry, typing on finnair bus | 17:19 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: sure, but thankfully we're in the position where we can do something about it | 17:19 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: i.e. an alternative app store, for example | 17:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, wouldn't that be a kick in the pants? | 17:19 |
| timeless | make a better app store, please :) | 17:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo.org app store | 17:19 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: for whom? | 17:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia | 17:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now THAT would be a good joke. | 17:19 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: probably. but with all seriousness, that's probably going to be the only way it's noticed. | 17:19 |
| frals | so | 17:19 |
| frals | decent place to have dinner in helsinki centre? | 17:20 |
| timeless | frals: hey,, sorry i missed opu | 17:20 |
| timeless | s/op/yo/ | 17:20 |
| infobot | timeless meant: frals: hey,, sorry i missed you | 17:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | frals, they haven't killed you and dumped your body in the river yet? | 17:20 |
| timeless | frals: price range? | 17:20 |
| Khertan | i think the best way is to put app in extra non-free ... and do a registration scheme with a paiement service on your website ... but yes this suck | 17:20 |
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| mikhas | "tonight, we dine in HEL" ... =) | 17:20 |
| timeless | we went to a jazz place earlier this week | 17:20 |
| timeless | good food, but pricy | 17:21 |
| timeless | good if someone else picks up the tab | 17:21 |
| frals | timeless: nothing to fancy, ~25e per person | 17:21 |
| timeless | yeah, that was about this | 17:21 |
| w00t | existing consumers complaining about a problem isn't a solution, i'm all for a solution, and to that end i'm all for working on the infra for an app store/payment methods/etc (inside or outside maemo.org, though arguably outside is probably a better idea to not direct nokia's ire at maemo.org :)), if others agree there is a need for it | 17:21 |
| VDVsx | frals, do you have the 'stuff' that ask for ? :D | 17:21 |
| timeless | not including drinks/desert | 17:21 |
| frals | GeneralAntilles: hopefully i got away... ;D | 17:21 |
| timeless | later. arriving @t1 | 17:21 |
| frals | VDVsx: sorry, no luck ;) | 17:22 |
| VDVsx | hehe | 17:22 |
| VDVsx | no deal then ;) | 17:22 |
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| * w00t killed the conversation, as usual | 17:23 | |
| frals | righto, im off out, never taking the morning flight again :P | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | there for a day? | 17:24 |
| Dassu | Is there any music player for maemo that would stream music from linux server and allow some tracks to be easily downloaded to allow offline listening? | 17:24 |
| frals | nah going home on saturday actually, but then i met all the people i needed to talk to today, and my "handler" had lots of meetings tomorrow | 17:25 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:25 |
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| VDVsx | w00t, If I were you, I would wait bit more, to see if ovi goes anywhere :) | 17:25 |
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| frals | well more time for the gf, she doesnt complain (neither do i ;)) | 17:26 |
| frals | laters all o/ | 17:26 |
| zaheerm | w00t, that figure is a year not a month | 17:26 |
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| VDVsx | but symbian still has very successful 'external' stores | 17:26 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Woo, just got the Noreve N900 case... freakin' lovely! | 17:26 |
| w00t | zaheerm: ? | 17:26 |
| w00t | zaheerm: oh | 17:26 |
| w00t | zaheerm: probably a brainfart on my part | 17:27 |
| uhsf | I'm early to receive the first call on my new N900. | 17:27 |
| w00t | VDVsx: waiting isn't a solution, nor is it an incentive to improve, though - and as GA points out, in the meantime, we're SOL | 17:27 |
| VDVsx | w00t, well, I can see business here, you aren't the only one :D | 17:28 |
| w00t | hmm? | 17:28 |
| VDVsx | about the external store^ | 17:28 |
| * w00t nods | 17:29 | |
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| lardman | cu chaps | 17:31 |
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| w00t | o/ | 17:31 |
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| johna | hello all | 17:34 |
| johna | i have a stupid question | 17:34 |
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| whalefish | hi johna | 17:34 |
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| johna | just bought the N810 | 17:35 |
| johna | (excited !!!) | 17:35 |
| johna | i wanted to find out the maemo version on the device | 17:35 |
| johna | could not find a good way of doing that | 17:35 |
| wazd | johna: read the manual | 17:35 |
| wazd | johna: seriously | 17:36 |
| VDVsx | settings-> about produce | 17:36 |
| VDVsx | *product | 17:36 |
| johna | thats the problem...i dont have one :| | 17:36 |
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| wazd | johna: then listen to VDVsx :) | 17:36 |
| tybollt | VDVsx: external store? :-o | 17:37 |
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| VDVsx | tybollt, OVI alternative | 17:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johna, it's on the device. | 17:38 |
| tybollt | VDVsx: ah olrite | 17:38 |
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| * tybollt not entirely sure what's wrong w/ ovi store now.. but then I haven't really investigated that :) | 17:38 | |
| VDVsx | tybollt, lack of apps, no easy way to publish apps, .. | 17:39 |
| tybollt | mmh | 17:39 |
| johna | :) | 17:39 |
| johna | (feeling dumb now) | 17:39 |
| johna | thank you | 17:39 |
| tybollt | anyway in light of the symbian outing... was there anything mentioned on continued maemo support? | 17:41 |
| tybollt | is nookla heart still in it for the long haul? | 17:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | tybollt, lol, yes. | 17:42 |
| VDVsx | tybollt, dunno, but you can guess that | 17:42 |
| w00t | I really doubt they've come this far to piss it away. I see the symbian move more as a sign that they're not just going to let it die into obsolecence. | 17:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | tybollt, Maemo is the flagship platform whether they want to admit it or not. | 17:42 |
| w00t | (unfortunate as that may be . . .) | 17:42 |
| VDVsx | w00t, symbian is very far from death ;) | 17:43 |
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| w00t | VDVsx: let me keep imagining that it is. please? :( | 17:44 |
| VDVsx | eheh | 17:44 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, btw, you still have the 5800 ? | 17:45 |
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| zaheerm | i imagine people in nokia thinking maemo is this little thing on the side, but symbian is where its at | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, yeah. | 17:46 |
| VDVsx | I update the FW a couple of days ago, it's a new device now :) | 17:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, NAM | 17:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | v30 still isn't available. | 17:47 |
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| dazo | zaheerm: fair thought .... after all, N900 is the first Maemo based mobile phone ... Nokia is primarily about mobile phones when we're talking about consumer electronics .... and most of Nokia's mobile phones are running Symbian | 17:47 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, same for mine, but I changed the product code, now I'm running v40 | 17:48 |
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| VDVsx | biggest change that I've seen so far in a NOK device :) | 17:48 |
| VDVsx | it's usable now :) | 17:48 |
| zaheerm | VDVsx, does s60v5 have that annoying having to select access point stuff when going online with different apps, like s60v3 has? | 17:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 17:50 |
| VDVsx | zaheerm, yes, but you can select a default | 17:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | God Symbian's connectivity framework is horrifying | 17:50 |
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| zaheerm | VDVsx, default at home should be my wifi, when i'm out should be the 3g connection, at other people's house should be their wifi etc. | 17:50 |
| tybollt | GeneralAntilles: that's kind of my point... the flagship products... do they care? The money is in bulk and well... the bulk is the cheap (not even symbian) phones, right? :) | 17:51 |
| zaheerm | i mean it should be like maemo's | 17:51 |
| VDVsx | zaheerm, true, perhaps they have some app for that, I don't use it that much | 17:51 |
| VDVsx | it's a 'gift' device | 17:51 |
| VDVsx | :D | 17:51 |
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| dneary | hi there | 17:53 |
| dneary | amigadave, Ping? | 17:53 |
| amigadave | dneary: pong | 17:53 |
| VDVsx | Hi Mr Docmaster :) | 17:54 |
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| dneary | amigadave, When you're marking an article for deletion, do you remove all the old content every time? | 17:55 |
| dneary | It's weird seeing these empty pages except for the category | 17:55 |
| dneary | Hi VDVsx | 17:55 |
| tigert | hi dneary | 17:55 |
| amigadave | dneary: generally i move the content away, but i can leave it if you like | 17:56 |
| amigadave | i don't think that i have delete rights :) | 17:56 |
| dneary | The thing is, there are a lot of redirects which are there, and should stay | 17:56 |
| dneary | FOSDEM2008 for example | 17:56 |
| amigadave | which redirected to FOSDEM 2009? | 17:57 |
| dneary | I moved it to "FOSDEM 2008" but at that stage there was already content there, and people had been linking to it from talk, blog posts, etc | 17:57 |
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| anpr | hello :) | 17:57 |
| dneary | FOSDEM 2008 pointed to FOSDEM 2009? That sounds like a problem :) | 17:57 |
| amigadave | phew, and i thought i was crazy | 17:57 |
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| anpr | guys, maybe anyone could suggest me which company's memory card i should get ? | 17:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | If something's being deleted then it needs to be deleted, blanking the content doesn't work. | 17:58 |
| VDVsx | dneary, amigadave , btw, great job with the wiki, things are starting to be much more organized and clean :) | 17:58 |
| amigadave | thanks VDVsx! | 17:58 |
| dneary | Thanks VDVsx | 17:59 |
| dneary | (no factorial from me) | 17:59 |
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| dneary | But FOSDEM2008 should definitely point to FOSDEM 2008 | 17:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | mikhas, psh, I disabled my Facebook account years ago. | 17:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, I only have Win 7 around here. . . . | 18:00 |
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| w00t | hand in your geek card at the door, please | 18:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, for dealing with NSU. | 18:00 |
| w00t | oh. | 18:00 |
| * VDVsx opens an Anti-FB-group in FB, and GAN is not welcomed | 18:00 | |
| w00t | that's a tiny bit more acceptable. | 18:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | i.e., as far as Microsoft products go. | 18:00 |
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| anpr | guys ? :) | 18:00 |
| tybollt | GeneralAntilles: actually you need to install NSU w/ all the compat bells and whistles IIRC... it's not native to win , is it? | 18:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, I'm an OS X guy primarily. ;) | 18:01 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, humm, dunno if it works in that s***, vista is supported I think :) | 18:01 |
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| * VDVsx uses a XP VM | 18:01 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right, compat. | 18:01 |
| * GeneralAntilles tries XP SP3. | 18:01 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Christ Windows is a pain in the ass. | 18:01 |
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| tybollt | GeneralAntilles++ | 18:01 |
| inz | ga, that would make a great name | 18:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I haven't had to actively use it in years, though, thank goodness. | 18:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | CWIAPINTA? | 18:02 |
| dneary | Ah | 18:02 |
| * dneary understands | 18:02 | |
| inz | ga, i meant just Christ Windows | 18:02 |
| dneary | First page created was FOSDEM2008 | 18:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | anpr, SanDisk is the best. | 18:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | anpr, but you're going to pay a premium for them. | 18:03 |
| dneary | But it was actually at the end of 2008, for FOSDEM 2009 | 18:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | anpr, A-DATA should probably be avoided. | 18:03 |
| dneary | So, when I moved FOSDEM2008 to FOSDEM 2008, I then needed to move it to FOSDEM 2009 | 18:03 |
| Corsac | FOSDEM++ | 18:03 |
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| dneary | The question is, is there anyone (incorrectly) linking to FOSDEM2008 from a blog link? I don't like making dead links | 18:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | anpr, Transcend is a budget brand I've had good success with. | 18:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | anpr, Kingston is also generally pretty good. | 18:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | If Win 7 doesn't encourage click-through syndrom. . . . | 18:08 |
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| dneary | amigadave, Google says no | 18:10 |
| dneary | I don't know how trustworthy the link: operator is though | 18:10 |
| red | just witnessed an funny facebook discussion between one of my teachers and a mate who is a student :) | 18:10 |
| red | the teacher had updated his status: "iWork!" | 18:10 |
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| red | the student had commented: "iHoliday!" | 18:10 |
| red | and the teacher had replied "uFuck!" x) | 18:11 |
| red | might only be funny for the ones studying at his classes dno :) | 18:11 |
| amigadave | dneary: your call, i just found the redirect confusing | 18:12 |
| dneary | They're gone now | 18:12 |
| dneary | Let's see about getting you delete permissions | 18:12 |
| dneary | That is, if you feel up to the responsibility... | 18:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have to have a SIM inserted to update? . . . | 18:13 |
| amigadave | dneary: oooh, yeah | 18:13 |
| dneary | Done | 18:14 |
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| amigadave | thanks dneary :) | 18:14 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, yes, lol | 18:14 |
| VDVsx | I had to insert a old one :P | 18:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh | 18:15 |
| VDVsx | (for the record we're talking about S60 :) ) | 18:15 |
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| zaheerm | s60v5 got renamed to Symbian^1? | 18:17 |
| VDVsx | I think so | 18:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, this whole process is such a pain in the ass. | 18:17 |
| VDVsx | and they are skipping Sumbian^2, it seems | 18:17 |
| VDVsx | *symbian | 18:18 |
| RST38h | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2010/02/500x_hello-kitty-chainsaw.jpg | 18:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'course GMail isn't freaking working. | 18:19 |
| VDVsx | ahaha, a bit rusty :D | 18:19 |
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| RST38h | that is blood. | 18:19 |
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| zaheerm | nokia should skip maemo 6 | 18:20 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, same here | 18:20 |
| * RST38h is heading hope at this happy chord | 18:20 | |
| zaheerm | just put maemo 7 out... | 18:20 |
| VDVsx | lol | 18:20 |
| tybollt | happy? | 18:20 |
| VDVsx | based in EFL this time :D | 18:20 |
| zaheerm | and then people won't complain that they didn't release it for n900 | 18:20 |
| zaheerm | yah we should so do a countdown.maemo.org with unicorns and ponies | 18:21 |
| Corsac | ponies! | 18:21 |
| VDVsx | pink ponies :D | 18:21 |
| tybollt | please, finish language does not have a word for happy, but it has 256 words for vodka ;) | 18:21 |
| VDVsx | tybollt, no ? really ? | 18:21 |
| Myrtti | bullshit | 18:21 |
| * tybollt is just being silly | 18:21 | |
| Myrtti | the only word you need for it is kossu | 18:21 |
| anpr | :D | 18:22 |
| * VDVsx on tyytyväinen | 18:22 | |
| VDVsx | :D | 18:22 |
| VDVsx | google translator probably sucks | 18:22 |
| Hukka | hngh, n900 rebooted just few minutes after a manual reboot | 18:22 |
| * LOD is back (gone 03:43:02) | 18:22 | |
| Hukka | feels like the browser is the most unstable element of the machine | 18:23 |
| spectre- | angry birds is a great game | 18:23 |
| marmoute | I'm looking for a freemantle package for mercurial (hg) but it's not available in the standard sources. Is there any other community source with such dev oriented pkg for freemantle ? | 18:23 |
| tybollt | hmm have to play this angry birds... everyone is talking about it... | 18:23 |
| mgedmin | aol | 18:23 |
| tybollt | thus far I've had quite a fun time w/ burger time... man that sent me on a trip down memory lane ;) | 18:24 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, a nice game to port would be world of goo | 18:26 |
| zaheerm | marmoute, try taking the debian package and build it in scratchbox | 18:26 |
| SpeedEvil | +24+9 | 18:26 |
| SpeedEvil | . | 18:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/freemantle/fremantle/g | 18:27 |
| * VDVsx suspects that Myrtti is tricking us, since translator doesn't find kossu :D | 18:27 | |
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| Myrtti | VDVsx: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koskenkorva | 18:28 |
| marmoute | zaheerm: waht about my subquestion: is all mameos communauty / dev oriented sources included by default or should I add them ? | 18:28 |
| VDVsx | Myrtti, ah, I thought it was a word for happy not for vodka :D | 18:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, we really need 30MB of JAR shit to change product code? . . . | 18:29 |
| mgedmin | okay wtf: I have to sign up for ovi.com in order to download a free game? | 18:29 |
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| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, no | 18:29 |
| redeeman | mgedmin: create a fake user | 18:29 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, 1 sec | 18:29 |
| zaheerm | marmoute, the QAd ones are included by default as of the last firmware update | 18:29 |
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| marmoute | QAd ? | 18:29 |
| zaheerm | the ones that have ghone through quality assurance | 18:30 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, http://www.ipmart-forum.com/showthread.php?t=334603 | 18:30 |
| VDVsx | make sure to choose a product code for NAM and your device colour | 18:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, that's the one I'm following. | 18:31 |
| VDVsx | where's the JAR :D | 18:31 |
| VDVsx | that worked fine for me | 18:31 |
| VDVsx | I select a product code of a debranded PT version :D | 18:32 |
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| newbie005 | hi, could someone tell me the ideal video size and encoding for the n900 ? | 18:35 |
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| zaheerm | 800x480 mpeg4 video | 18:35 |
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| zaheerm | i could be wrong however :) | 18:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, don't think this shit works on Win7. | 18:36 |
| VDVsx | dunno, it works in vista according to the page | 18:37 |
| newbie005 | zaheerm: thanks | 18:37 |
| VDVsx | I used my XP VM :D | 18:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, dun have one of those. | 18:39 |
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| * satmd is being offered an update to the current maemo5 ... but when installing, it complains about not enough space on the target location | 18:41 | |
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| w00t | satmd: what are you running currently? 42-11? | 18:45 |
| w00t | satmd: if so (which I assume :P), the update requires around 40-50mb free space on rootfs iirc | 18:46 |
| derf | I couldn't apply it with 57 MB free. | 18:46 |
| derf | (not that it failed, it refused to even start) | 18:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | 45MB should be the number | 18:47 |
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| derf | If that's true, then it's not the only requirement. | 18:47 |
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| wazd | hmm, I wonder why MADDE doesn't like my base64 icon code | 18:47 |
| w00t | either that or the universe just hates you | 18:47 |
| * satmd found a wiki note | 18:48 | |
| wazd | C:\MADDE\0.5\madbin\dpkg-source: error: syntax error in marina/debian/control at line 15: line with unknown format (not field-colon-value) | 18:48 |
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| IcanCU | anyone here use the n900 as a voip/data only phone? without any calling plan? | 18:49 |
| zaheerm | serfit won't start if you have conflicting packages | 18:49 |
| mgedmin | IcanCU, I, kinda, only I hardly ever use voip either | 18:50 |
| mgedmin | and in theory my SIM card supports phone calls, at some kind of unreasonably high rates | 18:50 |
| IcanCU | how reliable is it as a voip phone? | 18:50 |
| mgedmin | I dunno | 18:50 |
| mgedmin | skype works | 18:50 |
| IcanCU | i tried to use the e71 as a voip phone but that didn't work out well | 18:50 |
| IcanCU | lots of time no connection | 18:50 |
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| zaheerm | skype, gtalk and sip work fine here on wifi, skype and gtalk work over 3g but ymmv | 18:51 |
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| IcanCU | hmm ok | 18:51 |
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| IcanCU | voip isn't quite there yet i guess | 18:51 |
| Damion2 | connectivity and calling land lines (outside of US) can cost more than just making phonecalls on a contract with gsm | 18:51 |
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| Damion2 | you can get pay as you go sim with rolling data bundle for about £7.50 a month which will give you almost 99% coverage in the UK on O2 (2G) | 18:52 |
| Damion2 | 3G O2 aren't that good, but they cover where I go | 18:52 |
| Myrtti | O2 makes me weep | 18:52 |
| zaheerm | i just switched from o2 to voda | 18:52 |
| zaheerm | waiting for my sim to arrive | 18:53 |
| Myrtti | I've said this before, and I'll say it again. They're idiots. | 18:53 |
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| Damion2 | BT OpenZone is expensive, t-mobile is expensive, Airport wireless is expensive, home broadband costs money. And if calling somebody who isn't on sip/gtalk/skype it's expensive | 18:54 |
| Myrtti | they haven't realised that if they won't ship to abroad, they can check that information from the shipping address. | 18:54 |
| Damion2 | basically voip is pointless until the UK turns in to America | 18:54 |
| zaheerm | Damion2, define turns into america | 18:54 |
| Myrtti | instead, the block all ips outside UK from accessing shop.o2.co.uk | 18:54 |
| Myrtti | woo! great solution | 18:54 |
| * Myrtti goes to rant elsewhere | 18:54 | |
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| koala_man | Damion2: isn't home broadband something you have anyways? | 18:55 |
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| IcanCU | heh playing arounf with spotlighFS | 18:56 |
| IcanCU | pretty nice | 18:56 |
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| dazo | anyone managed to get ekiga.net SIP account setup properly on N900? | 19:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Server not responding" | 19:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm recalling all of the numerous reasons I hate this stupid 5800. | 19:02 |
| Damion2 | koala_man: well yes, but I also have a landline if I'm at home | 19:02 |
| koala_man | weird | 19:02 |
| mgedmin | ubifs was developed specifically for maemo? cool, I didn't know that | 19:02 |
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| mgedmin | dazo, nope, I keep getting "unable to connect" | 19:03 |
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| mgedmin | then again I don't know if my ekiga.net account is still valid as I haven't used it for ages | 19:04 |
| Damion2 | koala_man: it;s not plugged in unless I need to ring an 0800 number or something, but still, I'm at home on a bb connection which costs money, I'm just saying voip isn't more useful to me than just making a gsm call, seeing as I have 200minutes free | 19:04 |
| dazo | mgedmin: me too ... haven't figured out the right "magic" yet | 19:04 |
| Damion2 | zaheerm: calls are free in the USA as I understand it, but they;re like 5p a minute in the uk. This affects voip calls to numbers which cost about 5-10p a minute in the UK but are free in the states | 19:05 |
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| wazd | seriously, anybody help please? :) | 19:06 |
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| zaheerm | Damion2, you reallyw ant to pay to receive calls in uk? | 19:07 |
| lcuk | wazd, pastebin your debian/source and the error report again | 19:07 |
| zaheerm | Damion2, and there are packages that give you free calls throughout uk daytime and evening | 19:07 |
| wazd | lcuk: C:\MADDE\0.5\madbin\dpkg-source: error: syntax error in marina/debian/control at line 18: line with unknown format (not field-colon-value) | 19:08 |
| lcuk | debiam/control sorry | 19:08 |
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| lcuk | and is the debian folder constructed by you, or generated by theme designer | 19:09 |
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| wazd | lcuk: http://pastebin.com/m505e8e65 | 19:09 |
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| jophish | If there is a program (cli) which works flawlessly with the debian armel deb. How quickly could it get into testing? | 19:09 |
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| lcuk | wazd | 19:10 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_packaging#Displaying_an_icon_in_the_Application_Manager_next_to_your_package | 19:11 |
| lcuk | step 4 - adding a space before every line | 19:11 |
| lcuk | so it doesnt think the section is finished | 19:11 |
| lcuk | is the bit it looks like you have forgotten | 19:11 |
| wazd | oh | 19:11 |
| wazd | derp :) | 19:11 |
| mgedmin | also, I don't think it'll like the empty line 13 | 19:11 |
| mgedmin | or will it? | 19:11 |
| mgedmin | no clue | 19:11 |
| lcuk | hey mgedmin :) | 19:12 |
| mgedmin | I've only seen empty lines in debian/control files that separated the Source: from the binary Package: sections | 19:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ah, the familiar feel of Symbian rage. | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I dunno how anybody can use this piece of shit platform and call it better than Maemo. | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | NOTHING works. | 19:14 |
| mgedmin | hey lcuk | 19:14 |
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| wazd | added spaces - still the same | 19:15 |
| * GeneralAntilles puts his SIM back in his N900 and tries to stop thinking about murdering everyone in Finland. | 19:16 | |
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| wazd | aw fuck :) | 19:16 |
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| wazd | my bad | 19:16 |
| Corsac | GeneralAntilles: why keeping the 5800 anyway? | 19:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Corsac, backup phone, I suppose. | 19:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Too lazy to try to sell it. | 19:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's been sitting in a drawer since last September | 19:17 |
| Corsac | yeah, like my se v600i | 19:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx said that 40v was interesting, so I've wasted the last hour vainly trying to install it. | 19:17 |
| Corsac | because I forgot to give it to the store I bought my n900 to | 19:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | With basically the same results as the last 4 or 5 times I've tried updating the damn thing. | 19:18 |
| Corsac | GeneralAntilles: maybe I should try to install it on the SE? :) | 19:18 |
| wazd | ok, now another error :) | 19:19 |
| wazd | C:\MADDE\0.5\madbin\dpkg-source: error: syntax error in marina/debian/control at line 74: block lacks a package field | 19:19 |
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| mgedmin | that'll be the empty line 13 I warned you against, wazd | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | and people wonder why Nokia doesn't sell shit in the US when their NAM updates are 6 months behind the rest of the world, they don't provide OTA updates and their support sucks. | 19:19 |
| mgedmin | or is it "warned you about" | 19:19 |
| mgedmin | me English go bad all sudden-like | 19:19 |
| mgedmin | NAM is probably North America, but what's OTA? | 19:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, did you forewarn him? | 19:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Over the Air | 19:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | SSU | 19:20 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: the fail in your sentence is located at the "the US" part | 19:20 |
| wazd | mgedmin: no, that's not the empty line, that's the "pretty name" | 19:20 |
| Myrtti | it's the US. That's why everything is 6 months behind. | 19:20 |
| wazd | XSBC-Maemo-Display-Name | 19:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, no other competitor has these problems. :) | 19:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, it's just Nokia. :) | 19:21 |
| mgedmin | wazd, line 13 in http://pastebin.com/m505e8e65 is blank | 19:21 |
| mgedmin | it splits your Package section in two, the second one lacking a Package: field | 19:21 |
| mgedmin | your error is about a section without a Package field | 19:21 |
| wazd | mgedmin: oooh | 19:21 |
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| wazd | mgedmin: now I see :) | 19:22 |
| wazd | wee :) | 19:22 |
| wazd | mgedmin: thx :) | 19:22 |
| thresh | so what about those cool batteries some company wanted to release for n900? | 19:23 |
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| wazd | Everybody who want to test new Marina with calendar and stuff say "Ai" :) | 19:24 |
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| zaheerm | yes | 19:24 |
| zaheerm | Ai | 19:24 |
| zaheerm | ;) | 19:24 |
| wazd | zaheerm: package will be ready in a minute (I hope) | 19:24 |
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| slonopotamus | either i'm stupid or... | 19:25 |
| zaheerm | GeneralAntilles, it is worse when it is carrier branded product codes | 19:25 |
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| slonopotamus | how i switch kb layout when performing location search in nokia maps? | 19:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | zaheerm, that's the customer's fault for buying a locked device. | 19:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | I bought an unlocked device, I think it's fairly reasonable to expect a certain level of support. | 19:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia has failed utterly in delivering it. | 19:26 |
| mgedmin | slonopotamus, I never do that (switch kb layouts), but I heard something about Ctrl+space | 19:27 |
| slonopotamus | ~ping | 19:28 |
| infobot | ~pong | 19:28 |
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| slonopotamus | mgedmin, well, it usually works that way. not in maps though. | 19:29 |
| mgedmin | maybe a bug? | 19:29 |
| slonopotamus | ... | 19:29 |
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| slonopotamus | doesn't finnish use non-ascii letters? :) | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ovi Maps is one giant bug. | 19:30 |
| slonopotamus | and how i reorder waypoints :) | 19:30 |
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| mgedmin | ovi maps has waypoints? | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | clearly I spent too little time using it | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | on further consideration, "too little" does not apply for Ovi Maps | 19:31 |
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| Tester | is the Ogg suport person around ? | 19:32 |
| slonopotamus | ~ping | 19:32 |
| infobot | ~pong | 19:32 |
| VDVsx | Tester, that kulve , I guess :) | 19:33 |
| VDVsx | *that's | 19:33 |
| slonopotamus | xchat is really slow at catching up after phone call when connected with 3g :( | 19:33 |
| Tester | kulve: Any reason speexenc/dec are not there in the maemo5 version ? | 19:33 |
| Tester | kulve: for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8609 | 19:33 |
| povbot | Bug 8609: speex codec is ignored for SIP calls | 19:33 |
| slonopotamus | mgedmin, err... you can create routes, you know :) though it doesn't recalc them if you go off route. | 19:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hey, look, more bug #5357 dupes! | 19:35 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5357 Does not accept GSM (USSD) Codes starting with *# | 19:35 |
| andre41 | yay | 19:35 |
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| slonopotamus | GeneralAntilles, and there will be even more until it is fixed | 19:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | slonopotamus, it is fixed. | 19:36 |
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| slonopotamus | ... | 19:36 |
| andre41 | slonopotamus, s/until it is fixed/until the fix is released | 19:36 |
| slonopotamus | andre41, meh. user doesn't care if someone fixed something somewhere. the only thing that matters is whether it works for him. | 19:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | slonopotamus, users don't belong on Bugzilla. | 19:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | When you start filing bugs, you go beyond being a user. | 19:37 |
| luke-jr | ...... | 19:37 |
| slonopotamus | you know, user is the one who uses. | 19:38 |
| andre41 | slonopotamus, yeah. as explained in talk.maemo.org for "users" | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Whatever, another stupid Bugzilla argument isn't going to get us anywhere productive. | 19:38 |
| andre41 | and there is a link next to "Resolution FIXED" explaining what resolutions mean | 19:38 |
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| lcuk | <GeneralAntilles> When you start filing bugs, you go beyond being a user. <<< NO | 19:39 |
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| slonopotamus | andre41, i heard bugzie had problems finding closed tickets, didn't it? :) | 19:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you do. | 19:39 |
| wazd | everyone: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/hildon-theme-marina/1.06/ | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | oh, a dictionary flame, how fun | 19:39 |
| kulve | Tester: speex is provided by nokia, so I don't provide anything related to it | 19:40 |
| andre41 | slonopotamus, hmm? | 19:40 |
| wazd | please test and if you don't mind - some calendar screenshots would be great | 19:40 |
| Tester | kulve: its not | 19:40 |
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| * slonopotamus came across ussd-widget and became a bit happier. | 19:40 | |
| Tester | kulve: not in maemo5 | 19:40 |
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| kulve | Tester: speex codec is provided by nokia. Some tools may not be | 19:40 |
| kulve | ..in maemo 5 | 19:41 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, bugs are reported all the time by users. what do they become in your eyes? | 19:41 |
| ioeee | hi | 19:41 |
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| Tester | kulve: I meant the gst element | 19:41 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, they become advanced users :) | 19:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, the responsibility level is different when you start filing in bugzilla. | 19:41 |
| kulve | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# gst-inspect|grep speex | 19:41 |
| kulve | speex: speexenc: Speex audio encoder | 19:42 |
| kulve | speex: speexdec: Speex audio decoder | 19:42 |
| Tester | I only see libspeexdsp | 19:42 |
| Tester | kulve: which pkg is it ? | 19:42 |
| lcuk | the users who report bugs are like people who report crimes | 19:42 |
| lcuk | it doesnt make them any different | 19:42 |
| Tester | kulve: ah you're using 42-11.. its not there in 51-1 | 19:42 |
| kulve | gstreamer0.10-plugins-good-extra: /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstspeex.so | 19:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, when they're using Bugzilla it does. | 19:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I'm not talking about generic bug reporting on Talk. | 19:42 |
| kulve | Tester: I'm using the latest release. The prompt just haven't upgraded | 19:42 |
| wazd | zaheerm: ^ :) | 19:42 |
| Tester | arg in extra | 19:43 |
| kulve | Tester: that should be installed by default | 19:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, this horse really couldn't be any more pulverized. | 19:43 |
| Tester | maybe the "extra decoders" package should depend on good-extra then | 19:43 |
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| zaheerm | wazd, downloading | 19:43 |
| wazd | zaheerm: cool :) | 19:44 |
| slonopotamus | GeneralAntilles, whatever :) that's all irrelevant. users don't have a fix -> it isn't fixed for them. | 19:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | slonopotamus, relevant to Talk | 19:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | slonopotamus, not relevant to Bugzilla. | 19:44 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, had any luck with the 5800 ? | 19:46 |
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| zaheerm | wazd, calendar looks good | 19:47 |
| VDVsx | wazd, ah you have a pretty name now :) | 19:47 |
| VDVsx | wazd, you should that care of the description as well | 19:47 |
| wazd | VDVsx: sure, thanks for the advice :) | 19:47 |
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| slonopotamus | ~ping | 19:48 |
| infobot | ~pong | 19:48 |
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| wazd | zaheerm: shots? :) | 19:48 |
| slonopotamus | infobot, roger that | 19:48 |
| infobot | Bend over, that and take it like a man! | 19:48 |
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| VDVsx | wazd, the rules are simple, short description can't have the app name nor a ending dot, long description can have anything (expect insults to a nice guy like VDVsx ;)) | 19:49 |
| lcuk | that valerio is a tosser tho ;) | 19:50 |
| zaheerm | wazd, http://www.flickr.com/photos/aandza/4330029621/ | 19:50 |
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| * VDVsx kicks lcuk and hits him with a piano!! | 19:51 | |
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| zaheerm | wazd, week view is nice too | 19:52 |
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| wazd | I've found a bug! bwahahah! | 19:52 |
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| zaheerm | wazd, sent you week view shot by email | 19:53 |
| wazd | zaheerm: got it, thanks | 19:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, not a lick. | 19:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, complaining about "Server no responding" so I put it back in the drawer. | 19:55 |
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| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, strange | 19:55 |
| wazd | oooh | 19:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, US + Nokia? Not really. ;) | 19:56 |
| wazd | I thought there's a gap between week days | 19:56 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, ehehe | 19:56 |
| wazd | but since it's not I can make it even cooler :) | 19:56 |
| zaheerm | wazd, there is | 19:56 |
| wazd | zaheerm: right now - yes, but actually no :) | 19:56 |
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| zaheerm | aaah ok ;) | 19:56 |
| ifreq | wazd: got paypal? :P you definitely need some donation to get own n900 imo :) | 19:57 |
| wazd | zaheerm: can you send me some complex agenda view please? | 19:57 |
| tybollt | wazd: yeah I was surprised to when thursday cam right after sunday... weird... or it was that bong I smoked? | 19:57 |
| tybollt | too* | 19:57 |
| satmd | can I influence wether the internal mmc or the sd card is shared through usb? | 19:57 |
| wazd | ifreq: I can't use PayPal here, so no | 19:57 |
| ifreq | ah dang :P | 19:58 |
| zaheerm | wazd, agenda view has bugs! | 19:58 |
| Matthew- | :-) | 19:58 |
| wazd | zaheerm: that's why I asked :D | 19:58 |
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| VDVsx | wazd, you need a bank account in Switzerland ;) | 19:58 |
| ifreq | yeah or friend in nokia :P | 19:58 |
| VDVsx | or in some strange Island | 19:58 |
| ifreq | xmas islands | 19:58 |
| BabelO_N900 | Test | 19:59 |
| ifreq | eastern islands | 19:59 |
| ifreq | *g* | 19:59 |
| ifreq | BabelO_N900: test accepted, please continue. | 19:59 |
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| zaheerm | wazd, http://www.flickr.com/photos/aandza/4330045525/sizes/o/ | 19:59 |
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| BabelO | ifreq: no test if pymucl is bad | 19:59 |
| * VDVsx search for the best place for off-shore accounts :D | 19:59 | |
| BabelO | refused | 19:59 |
| wazd | zaheerm: what's that blue row on the left on the week view? | 19:59 |
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| ifreq | VDVsx: im sure Matthew- knows a few | 19:59 |
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| wazd | wosh | 19:59 |
| zaheerm | wazd, blue row? | 20:00 |
| wazd | zaheerm: derp :D | 20:00 |
| wazd | zaheerm: above "all day" | 20:00 |
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| zaheerm | wazd, no idea, i see it currently between all day and 18:00 | 20:01 |
| zaheerm | wazd, but in screenshot i sent you it is above all day | 20:01 |
| VDVsx | ifreq, Cayman Islands seems a good place ;) | 20:01 |
| ifreq | oki | 20:01 |
| zaheerm | wazd, found a bug in week view | 20:02 |
| wazd | zaheerm: m? | 20:03 |
| zaheerm | wazd, check your email | 20:03 |
| zaheerm | see those blue squares on corners of a grey box | 20:03 |
| thopiekar | Hi | 20:04 |
| zaheerm | they appear after i touch those squares and then don't add an event | 20:04 |
| ifreq | hi | 20:04 |
| zaheerm | they don't disappear | 20:04 |
| wazd | O_o | 20:04 |
| thopiekar | JamieBennett: ping | 20:04 |
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| thopiekar | stupid me.. | 20:06 |
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| thopiekar | aaahh forget about it :D | 20:06 |
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| VDVsx | wazd, the desktop wheel, where you can change the themes/backgrounds, .. still has a bug, but you should be aware of that | 20:11 |
| zaheerm | VDVsx, the settings themes has bug too? | 20:11 |
| autarch | is it a bad idea to allow ssh'ing as user? | 20:11 |
| ifreq | btw is it possible to make animated background, like gifs? | 20:12 |
| VDVsx | zaheerm, settings themes ? settings app/view ? | 20:12 |
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| wazd | VDVsx: WONTFIXDIE!!!! | 20:13 |
| wazd | VDVsx: :D | 20:13 |
| tybollt | kthxplz | 20:13 |
| VDVsx | wazd, fixed in Inverna ? | 20:13 |
| VDVsx | :D | 20:13 |
| VDVsx | wazd, if you need a screenshot feel free to ask :) | 20:13 |
| Corsac | hmhm, I kind-of miss a way to associate applications to a desktop (like std window managers) | 20:13 |
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| slonopotamus | err... how i search emails in modest and select all found results? :) | 20:16 |
| Corsac | you don't? | 20:16 |
| slonopotamus | Corsac, i don't see neither search button nor select all. | 20:17 |
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| Corsac | my point | 20:17 |
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| slonopotamus | oh | 20:17 |
| slonopotamus | i don't | 20:17 |
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| * slonopotamus fails to understand the reasoning behind writing maemo apps from scratch that lack even basic functionality. | 20:18 | |
| Mece | hmm.. extras-assistant tells me that I will receive an email when a package is finished. I've yet to recieve any email eventhough the packages have gone through nicely. Is there some setting I've disabled or is it just how it is? | 20:19 |
| andre41 | slonopotamus, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5502 ? | 20:19 |
| povbot | Bug 5502: No search for emails available | 20:19 |
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| slonopotamus | andre41, yep. and no 'select all' | 20:20 |
| * VDVsx wonders which email app will be in maemo6 | 20:21 | |
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| zaheerm | VDVsx, QtModest ? | 20:22 |
| VDVsx | hiihih | 20:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, everything in Maemo 6 is going to be the same as Maemo 5 | 20:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just with qt in front. | 20:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | qt-modest, qt-microb, qt-gtk, etc. | 20:22 |
| VDVsx | I'm not familiar with Modest code, but it should be heavily GTK based | 20:23 |
| zaheerm | it going to be cute | 20:23 |
| frals | ah.. one hour nap - just what i needed | 20:23 |
| frals | really confusing to irc from my shell which is in sweden, then watch the telly and its +1hr :P | 20:23 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, I really have doubts about modest | 20:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, I have doubts about Maemo 6. | 20:23 |
| VDVsx | qt-microb should be easy :) | 20:24 |
| slonopotamus | andre41, voted. | 20:24 |
| Dassu | is it normal that my device is not answering pings if I'm not using network with browser? | 20:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm excited for qt-gtk. | 20:24 |
| VDVsx | :D | 20:24 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, Qt supports GLIB so.. ;) | 20:24 |
| VDVsx | the other way around will be more tricky | 20:25 |
| zaheerm | if you believe nokia, qt makes tea for you too... | 20:25 |
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| VDVsx | zaheerm, makes coffee at least | 20:25 |
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| zaheerm | i'll file an enhancement request | 20:25 |
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| zaheerm | complain in maemo 6 subforum | 20:26 |
| zaheerm | and tweet it too ;) | 20:26 |
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| * RST38h moos at VDVsx thoughtfully | 20:26 | |
| andre41 | VDVsx, Modest is definitely heavily GTK based. Draw your conclusions. | 20:26 |
| VDVsx | zaheerm, about what ? :D | 20:27 |
| zaheerm | lack of tea | 20:28 |
| slonopotamus | Dassu, side effects of wifi powersavings | 20:28 |
| VDVsx | zaheerm, http://twitpic.com/l8yzz <- Qt powered coffee machine | 20:28 |
| RST38h | andre41: Alas, even if it is killed for Harmattan, the libcamel will live on | 20:28 |
| VDVsx | zaheerm, sounds fair | 20:28 |
| * VDVsx moos back at RST38h :) | 20:28 | |
| RST38h | andre41: and the most serious fuckups are in libcamel | 20:28 |
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| andre41 | libcamel or tinymail? :-P | 20:29 |
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| RST38h | maybe tinymail, that backend thing | 20:29 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, is that closed source ? | 20:29 |
| andre41 | nah | 20:29 |
| andre41 | tinymail is open | 20:29 |
| RST38h | andre41: Actually, probably both | 20:29 |
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| andre41 | and libcamel too | 20:30 |
| VDVsx | andre41, no the camel lib :D | 20:30 |
| RST38h | andre41: because background email checks appear to be handled by libcamel | 20:30 |
| VDVsx | ah cool | 20:30 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: They are all open source | 20:30 |
| * VDVsx searchs for libcamel repo | 20:30 | |
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| RST38h | VDVsx: The problem is, they appear to be kinda garbage =( | 20:30 |
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| spsneo | will maemo participte in soc 2010 ? | 20:31 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, not Nokia fault it seems | 20:31 |
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| zaheerm | VDVsx, it is in gnome git in evolution-data-server | 20:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | spsneo, seesm to be the plan. | 20:31 |
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| VDVsx | spsneo, probably, if google choose us :) | 20:31 |
| spsneo | GeneralAntilles: is there any list of project ideas? | 20:31 |
| spsneo | VDVsx: ^^ | 20:31 |
| VDVsx | spsneo, no yet | 20:32 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Well, does not really matter whose fault it is, it's not like I am in the market for scapegoats | 20:32 |
| spsneo | VDVsx: ok | 20:32 |
| VDVsx | spsneo, blame me, I'll start the discussion next week | 20:32 |
| zaheerm | RST38h, it is nokia's fault, if there was a problem they should have fixed it upstream :) | 20:32 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: What matter though is that it is unusable for pop3 and kinda awkward for imap, even after all the fixes | 20:32 |
| VDVsx | RST38h zaheerm , true, | 20:32 |
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| * VDVsx doesn't use modest, so never suffered those issues :D | 20:33 | |
| * RST38h probably hopes for too much | 20:33 | |
| VDVsx | I never used it :D | 20:34 |
| VDVsx | that's the true | 20:34 |
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| VDVsx | spsneo, 2009 info here: http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009 | 20:34 |
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| VDVsx | the projects will be a little bit more user oriented this year, at least is my intention | 20:35 |
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| wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsN6NOhWkxM omg, this is hilarious :) | 20:37 |
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| autarch | are there any instructions out there on getting the n900 tethered via usb (running ubuntu on the pc)? | 20:40 |
| lcuk | autarch, mmm? | 20:40 |
| iPeter- | I could be interested of those instructions too | 20:40 |
| lcuk | in ubuntu it works naturally with usb | 20:40 |
| iPeter- | on 9.10? | 20:40 |
| lcuk | well thats what ive got | 20:40 |
| autarch | define "naturally"? | 20:41 |
| iPeter- | Plug n go? | 20:41 |
| lcuk | for me yeah | 20:41 |
| lcuk | just a mo ill confirm | 20:41 |
| iPeter- | Okay, thanks. I dont have self tested it out. | 20:41 |
| lcuk | oh crap im in middle of somefink | 20:41 |
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| lcuk | just plug in and select pc suite mode afaik | 20:41 |
| lcuk | then it shows up as a connection in networks | 20:41 |
| iPeter- | I think you plug it on pc and select "use phone as internet modem" or sumthing | 20:41 |
| iPeter- | oh, okay. | 20:42 |
| lcuk | pc doesnt need to select anything | 20:42 |
| lcuk | well | 20:42 |
| lcuk | yours might | 20:42 |
| autarch | oh, I didn't even think it would be this easy | 20:42 |
| autarch | duh | 20:42 |
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| autarch | network manager just sees it when you connect in pc suite mode | 20:42 |
| pupnik | heading into the heart of the beast | 20:42 |
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| autarch | linux has gotten amazingly dwim these days | 20:43 |
| * GeneralAntilles gives pupnik a harpoon gun. | 20:43 | |
| autarch | I'm often surprised that I don't have to install 10 packages, tweak some config files, restart some daemons, etc | 20:43 |
| frals | mmm.. domino cookies <3 | 20:44 |
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| iPeter- | Yeah, ubuntu have been good of these things | 20:45 |
| iPeter- | lately. | 20:45 |
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| autarch | this seemed cutting edge enough that I expected a hassle | 20:45 |
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| wazd | btw, can anybody please show me the screen with titlebar menu arrow? | 20:46 |
| wazd | or just say is it here with 1.06 or not? | 20:47 |
| wazd | there* | 20:47 |
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| ml-mobile | wtb mute-external-speakers-only option | 20:49 |
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| RST38h | http://revision3.com/landlinetv/penisscanners | 20:55 |
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| VDVsx | wazd, in Marina, not there | 21:02 |
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| wazd | VDVsx: derp | 21:03 |
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| wazd | then I don't know how to do it :( | 21:06 |
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| ScribbleJ | How do I select text to copy and paste in the web browser on an N900? | 21:09 |
| VDVsx | wazd, konttori should know, I guess | 21:09 |
| VDVsx | ScribbleJ, ctrl+c and ctrl+v | 21:10 |
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| maromader | hello | 21:10 |
| ScribbleJ | VDV, that doesn't help... how do I /select/ the text to use CTRL-C on? | 21:10 |
| VDVsx | ScribbleJ, there's also a menu option for that | 21:11 |
| wazd | ScribbleJ: READ THE MANUAL | 21:11 |
| wazd | ScribbleJ: caps( | 21:11 |
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| VDVsx | ScribbleJ, enable the mouse cursor | 21:11 |
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| wazd | ScribbleJ: of just flick the finger from the left edge of the screen | 21:11 |
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| ScribbleJ | Thanks. | 21:11 |
| tank-man | maybe double tap and on second tap hold and drag to select text | 21:11 |
| wazd | but then read the manual | 21:11 |
| ScribbleJ | I skimmed through the manual when I got it, haven't had time to go back to it. You want me to read an entire book to answer one question? I love reading but that is silly. | 21:12 |
| ScribbleJ | Thank you guys for giving me the answer though. | 21:12 |
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| wazd | ScribbleJ: no, just navigate to "browser" and read 1 page :) | 21:12 |
| wazd | ScribbleJ: that usually helps :) | 21:13 |
| ScribbleJ | What? | 21:13 |
| ScribbleJ | You can search a book without using google? | 21:13 |
| ScribbleJ | I'm not sure I believe this. | 21:13 |
| VDVsx | ScribbleJ, http://maemo.nokia.com/features/maemo-browser/gestures/ | 21:13 |
| wazd | ScribbleJ: oh, nm | 21:13 |
| ScribbleJ | Heh | 21:13 |
| ScribbleJ | Seriously, OK, it's my fault for not reading better, I suppose. Thanks. | 21:14 |
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| wazd | zaheerm: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/hildon-theme-marina/1.07/ | 21:14 |
| wazd | zaheerm: all calendar bugs should be fixed | 21:14 |
| VDVsx | ScribbleJ, np, but take a look what that site ^ and the videos, you should find new features :) | 21:14 |
| lcuk | to be honest, why are we directing people to marketing site as a RTFM ? | 21:15 |
| wazd | lcuk: I'm directing to the manual as RTFM :F | 21:15 |
| VDVsx | simple and easier | 21:15 |
| VDVsx | ScribbleJ, also: http://www.youtube.com/user/Maemo5UITeam | 21:15 |
| RST38h | wazd: promote to testing! | 21:17 |
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| RST38h | oh wait, need to promote to extras first... | 21:17 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, I'm tired of promoting each version to testing :) | 21:17 |
| * VDVsx updates marina :) | 21:17 | |
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| RST38h | wazd: twue. | 21:17 |
| lcuk | hey RST38h | 21:18 |
| RST38h | moo lcuk, how are things? | 21:18 |
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| lcuk | tiring :) | 21:18 |
| maromader | that time has come again, time for a reflash! :-) | 21:18 |
| * lcuk has been learning lots of things recently | 21:18 | |
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| wazd | VDVsx: calendar screenshots please :) | 21:19 |
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| lcuk | wazd, calporn? | 21:19 |
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| wazd | lcuk: you knew it :D | 21:24 |
| lcuk | heh | 21:24 |
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| lcuk | wazd, how does it feel then to be a developer now? | 21:25 |
| VDVsx | wazd, you dropped the blue bar (in the week days) ? | 21:25 |
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| wazd | lcuk: no difference form previous 2 years :) | 21:25 |
| wazd | VDVsx: what bar? | 21:25 |
| * lcuk nods | 21:25 | |
| wazd | VDVsx: shots, shots | 21:26 |
| VDVsx | wazd, 1 sec | 21:26 |
| wazd | VDVsx: I'm blind :) | 21:26 |
| VDVsx | wazd, http://www.flickr.com/photos/vdvsx/4330206147/ | 21:26 |
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| VDVsx | from the other views as well ? | 21:27 |
| wazd | VDVsx: login | 21:27 |
| VDVsx | wazd, bahh | 21:27 |
| wazd | VDVsx: :P | 21:27 |
| zaheerm | wazd, updating now | 21:28 |
| VDVsx | wazd, done | 21:28 |
| wazd | lcuk: I've just set up theme developing environment in my head, now I know how everything will look without device, so I can release v1.0 themes without betas :) | 21:29 |
| * RST38h looks at wazd inquiringly, holding NeXT box in his hands | 21:29 | |
| lcuk | thats unpossible. you are beta testing now | 21:29 |
| zaheerm | wazd, agenda looks good now | 21:29 |
| zaheerm | time for me to go out | 21:29 |
| wazd | zaheerm: shooot please :) | 21:30 |
| VDVsx | wazd, mine is public now :D | 21:32 |
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| wazd | VDVsx: yep, so what blue bar? :) | 21:32 |
| VDVsx | wazd, in the week days | 21:32 |
| VDVsx | is less blue now :D | 21:33 |
| wazd | VDVsx: ah, yep | 21:33 |
| wazd | VDVsx: actually it changes its color depending on current month | 21:33 |
| wazd | VDVsx: set july for example | 21:34 |
| Arkenoi | daily ussd bug duplicates come at pretty stable rate | 21:34 |
| VDVsx | humm | 21:34 |
| wazd | zaheerm: thx | 21:34 |
| VDVsx | wazd, cool :) | 21:34 |
| VDVsx | July should be red, freaking hot :D | 21:34 |
| VDVsx | or orange :D | 21:34 |
| wazd | zaheerm: hmmm | 21:35 |
| lcuk | Arkenoi, its the most frequently requested isnt it | 21:35 |
| wazd | zaheerm: that doesn't look like my images for agenda | 21:35 |
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| wazd | VDVsx: can you post week shot too please? | 21:36 |
| dracflamloc | my n900 should arrive tomorrow. im pumped =) | 21:36 |
| VDVsx | wazd, sure | 21:36 |
| pronto | dracflamloc: becare of the usb port on the n900 | 21:36 |
| pronto | mine broke when i was unplugging it | 21:36 |
| dracflamloc | yea ive been reading about that | 21:37 |
| dracflamloc | pretty lame | 21:37 |
| pronto | yeah | 21:37 |
| dracflamloc | i may just get a spare battery/charger to avoid using the port often | 21:37 |
| pronto | heh | 21:37 |
| dracflamloc | you'd think that wouldnt be an issue this far after release tho | 21:38 |
| wazd | VDVsx: and agenda view after reboot :) | 21:38 |
| wazd | VDVsx: cause looks like it has some weird problem | 21:38 |
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| VDVsx | wazd, http://www.flickr.com/photos/vdvsx/4330966762/ | 21:39 |
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| wazd | looks sexy :P | 21:40 |
| maromader | ok, vanilla .bin image does not reset the user directory | 21:42 |
| RST38h | looks nice indeed | 21:42 |
| wazd | RST38h: You supposed to hate it :) | 21:42 |
| VDVsx | wazd, see om | 21:43 |
| VDVsx | *pm | 21:43 |
| RST38h | wazd: well, I made a few corrections for my personal tastes, and with these applied it looks great =) | 21:44 |
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| * RST38h still wants flat, slightly recessed, non-glossy UI elements, like in Digital Nature | 21:44 | |
| RST38h | The glossy stuff looks too much like Vista =) | 21:44 |
| thresh | me likey the default theme | 21:45 |
| RST38h | thresh: it can be better | 21:45 |
| RST38h | but it is ok, of course | 21:45 |
| thresh | yeah, but that's probably because i like blue color | 21:45 |
| RST38h | blue is one problem I have with it :) | 21:46 |
| RST38h | would rather use Digital Nature if it did not have a few bugs | 21:46 |
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| maromader | if I clean the /home/user/ directory (I assume all settings are kept there?), sync, sync, remove the battery - will system repopulate it with stuff that comes as default after reflashing with vanilla? | 21:47 |
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| cehteh | i guess not so, you have to reflash the emmc for vanilla setup | 21:48 |
| maromader | lasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R - like this? | 21:49 |
| cehteh | yes | 21:50 |
| cehteh | 'like' check if thats the actual version and correct arguments | 21:51 |
| cehteh | did pr1.1 come with a new emmc image? maybe not | 21:52 |
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| maromader | hmm, weird - I flashed with vanilla, system in a loop, cannot fully boot. so I flashed with pr1.1, looks like new, flash et. al. works. i need to investigate | 21:53 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, wazd was talking about a hue changer for themes, if one could be made to work it would be an improvement, but it would be a tricky thing to get right instantly | 21:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody in here have much experience with pool filters? | 21:56 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, only that you never ever sit over the suction thing | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, nice. | 21:57 |
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| * Stskeeps facepalms over danish news .. "symbian isn't threatened right now but the development of OpenMoko and Iphone OS is happening very rapidly" | 22:04 | |
| maromader | is there an ovi store apt repository? | 22:04 |
| * lcuk looks @ Stskeeps oddly | 22:05 | |
| Stskeeps | i really hope they meant either 1) android or 2) maemo | 22:05 |
| lcuk | i think its journo without a clue | 22:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, nah, you're just way behind the times. | 22:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | OpenMoko is the new Maemo. | 22:06 |
| wazd | OpenMoko, lolz :D | 22:07 |
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| wazd | C64 :D | 22:07 |
| Dassu | Does default media player on n900 have search (playlist) function? O_o | 22:07 |
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| lcuk | oh hai RevdKathy \o | 22:08 |
| RevdKathy | Hi all - Hi lcuk | 22:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hey, Kathy. | 22:08 |
| RevdKathy | Hi GA! | 22:08 |
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| RevdKathy | so what's new? | 22:09 |
| Aquarina | hi | 22:09 |
| RevdKathy | Hi Aquarina | 22:09 |
| * GeneralAntilles is investigating pool filters. | 22:09 | |
| Aquarina | is anyone having a problem not being able to upgrade x11-common? | 22:09 |
| RevdKathy | for a swimming pool, a pool table or a new MAEMO GAME, gENERAL aTILLES? | 22:10 |
| RevdKathy | oOPS! | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Swimming, sadly. | 22:10 |
| RevdKathy | stupid laptop | 22:10 |
| Aquarina | sshed into device and ap-get update & upgrade | 22:10 |
| RevdKathy | lovely! | 22:10 |
| w00t | hI rEVDkATHY | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | The 60-year-old DE filter on my parent's pool is finally obsolete. | 22:10 |
| * RevdKathy makes note to visit GA in the summer | 22:10 | |
| RevdKathy | Hi w00t! | 22:10 |
| lcuk | summer has tornados | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's hot down here in the summer. | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Visit in the fall. :P | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, those are called "hurricanes". | 22:11 |
| RevdKathy | My other Florida friend says spring. Fall = hurricanes | 22:11 |
| * lcuk remembers being taught you have to sink lawn furniture in such times | 22:11 | |
| GeneralAntilles | We don't get hurricanes where I am anyway. | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, yeah, it's fun. | 22:11 |
| lcuk | yeah pushing pink flamingoes under the water must break some sorta animal cruelty law | 22:12 |
| anpr | omg, for me it sounds like utopia :) | 22:13 |
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| Loreley | hi | 22:15 |
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| anpr | hey | 22:16 |
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| jophish | hi | 22:16 |
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| RevdKathy | http://www.revdkathy.co.uk/avs/flamingo.jpg | 22:17 |
| RevdKathy | the bear visited flamingos! | 22:17 |
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| mrmg | o/ | 22:25 |
| asj_ | OpenMoko wow a blast fromt he past | 22:26 |
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| * satmd is missing the .qf file and ovi maps does not create it | 22:40 | |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Noreve case hd video review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iro26b9VTKQ | 22:40 |
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| McBrown | yay, jedit and apache tomcat are running on n900! and it's so simple... ok, probably nothing new to most of you, but it's oh-so-amazing for me being an iphone switcher :-) | 22:50 |
| McBrown | I love this phone :-) | 22:50 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Didn't apache run on the iPhone? | 22:51 |
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| McBrown | Probably yes, but not apache tomcat which is Java SE based | 22:51 |
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| McBrown | But thanks to this great community, it was really simple getting a full java sdk on the n900 | 22:52 |
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| satmd | where should the .qf reside on the flash? | 22:56 |
| anpr | guys, i came up with one question | 22:56 |
| anpr | i found that n900 doesn't have java support | 22:56 |
| anpr | and e.g htc hd has | 22:56 |
| anpr | hd2* | 22:56 |
| anpr | what java is it meant here ? | 22:57 |
| anpr | is it runtime one ? | 22:57 |
| redeeman | you can download a jre from sun | 22:57 |
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| McBrown | i'm talking about java sdk - you can either download a (time limited trial) version from sun or openjdk | 22:58 |
| McBrown | i've tried out http://camswl.com/openjdk and it works really well | 22:59 |
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| ShadowJK | with java on phones j2me is usually meant, not j2se | 23:02 |
| anpr | i am just now about comparing hd2 and n900 | 23:02 |
| anpr | shit, it's so confusing :) | 23:02 |
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| ShadowJK | j2me wont let you run azureus/vuze or web applets :) | 23:03 |
| anpr | i've found video comparing theese phones with a help question which one to buy | 23:04 |
| anpr | and it has like 590 comments | 23:04 |
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| anpr | and all of them are bloody different with different opinions | 23:04 |
| ShadowJK | Consider that extremely few of them have used both devices more than 5 minutes in a shop. | 23:05 |
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| anpr | :D | 23:06 |
| anpr | anyway that's not a question for me | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | anpr, WinMob vs Maemo? | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Really? | 23:07 |
| * w00t would never go back to windows mobile | 23:08 | |
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| w00t | ever ever ever ever | 23:08 |
| w00t | 4 years of that hell was more than enough for me | 23:08 |
| * ifreq was never with win mobile. :P | 23:08 | |
| w00t | thank your lucky stars. | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | anpr, basically, if you want a phone that offers you a complete user experience out-of-the-box, then Maemo isn't for you. | 23:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | If, however, you want a platform that let's you exploit it to the fullest. . . . | 23:09 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: you know, I still really don't even agree with that | 23:09 |
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| w00t | I wasn't left thinking "hmm, where's X" at any stage | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, well, it's HIGHLY dependent on your use-case. | 23:10 |
| w00t | granted, I don't use MMS, so that helps | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I find Modest works pretty well for me. | 23:10 |
| w00t | yeah, same | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I don't use POP and I don't use Exchange. | 23:10 |
| w00t | I mostly only use mail on there as a notifier anyway | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | My inbox isn't ever more than 2000 emails big. | 23:10 |
| w00t | since I'm pretty much always on a PC anyway | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | As for the browser, I don't really frequent any JS or Flash heavy sites | 23:10 |
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| w00t | heh | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't use USSD codes ever and I don't send or receive MMS messages | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | I also don't need portrait mode | 23:11 |
| w00t | mhm | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, yeah, for me, the out-of-the-box experience is pretty damn good. | 23:11 |
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| w00t | it might just be me, but I can't help but wonder if USSD and MMS is something more american, because in all seriousness, I've never met anyone who uses either | 23:11 |
| RevdKathy | I'd second that as a complete linux n00b | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unfortunately people often have different requirements, so it's best to play it safe. ;) | 23:11 |
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| anpr | oh... | 23:11 |
| anpr | got my pc restarted... | 23:12 |
| thresh | i use ussd | 23:12 |
| w00t | thresh: what for/where are you from? | 23:12 |
| ShadowJK | I think mms fad is over in europe already | 23:12 |
| Arkenoi | w00t: USSD is pretty widespread in europe | 23:12 |
| w00t | (just idle curiosity) | 23:12 |
| anpr | so i just wanted to say, that i am just interested what are people talking | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, a large number of the bugs I've duped for USSD have been non-native speakers. | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, so, dunno. | 23:12 |
| thresh | w00t: balance checking, Russia | 23:12 |
| Arkenoi | and almost mandatory in Russia | 23:12 |
| RevdKathy | USSD in the UK is for people on payg - people who on ctract don[t use it | 23:12 |
| frals | appearently this whole MMS stuff seems to be popular with girlfriends, ive learned ;D | 23:12 |
| w00t | hm | 23:12 |
| anpr | when they are comparing n900 with something | 23:12 |
| w00t | okay, perhaps that's why | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, I don't know anybody in my group of friends who actively uses USSD codes. | 23:12 |
| w00t | I don't know many PAYG people | 23:12 |
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| w00t | (thank god, bloody riffraff!) | 23:12 |
| w00t | :P | 23:12 |
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| RevdKathy | Damn - do I need to sign up for gender change, frals, since I don't use mms much either? | 23:13 |
| ShadowJK | the only codes I've used is to check version, annd to erase gprs settings (on some models nokia hides the ui to enter your operator's settings) | 23:13 |
| w00t | frals: ..actually | 23:13 |
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| w00t | now that does remind me of the one time I used MMS ;) | 23:13 |
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| RevdKathy | Is it legal to send photos like that, w00t? | 23:13 |
| frals | RevdKathy: no need for a sex change, there are other "solutions" to that "problem" ;-) | 23:13 |
| Arkenoi | from my personal experience MMS usage is declining as more girls get smartphones or javaphones with jimm and operamini at least | 23:14 |
| w00t | RevdKathy: errhm, probably not | 23:14 |
| w00t | :) | 23:14 |
| RevdKathy | what, that I don't use mms? I neither have nor want a g/f | 23:14 |
| w00t | not legal! | 23:14 |
| t-tan | hi, has anybody already tried to compile a kernel with the fiasco-gen which was prereleased today? | 23:14 |
| ShadowJK | yeah, mms is like wap, a crutch until real internet arrives | 23:14 |
| RevdKathy | Did yo keep a copy? I'll send my phone no via pm :p | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | t-tan: i tried before it was released and that worked fine, give it a try? | 23:14 |
| w00t | oh lol, I do remember everyone going on about how incredible WAP would be.. and I was like "no." | 23:15 |
| * w00t is far too old | 23:15 | |
| Scelt | I used to make my salary out of WAP | 23:15 |
| * LOD is away: Occupé | 23:15 | |
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| Scelt | those golden days | 23:15 |
| Arkenoi | w00t: wap was ugly obsolete crap the first day it was introduced | 23:15 |
| * thresh still does | 23:15 | |
| w00t | RevdKathy: I do, but they're not on my n900, and I er would get in trouble for redistributing :P | 23:15 |
| t-tan | Stskeeps: did you use the on-device fiasco-flasher from PR1.0? | 23:15 |
| RevdKathy | You were underage????? w00t! | 23:15 |
| ShadowJK | wap was silly, especially that phase when every wap site wanted you to make a data call to their own expensive modem pool | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | t-tan: agreed, i did not test flashing | 23:15 |
| thresh | people actually do use wap a lot | 23:15 |
| Arkenoi | actually i had fully internet capable smartphone year or two before nokia 7110 was out ;-) | 23:16 |
| thresh | for, ehm, dating services | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | t-tan: it is a PR1.1 kernel though | 23:16 |
| Scelt | thresh: that's true | 23:16 |
| Arkenoi | and it had qwerty and web browser | 23:16 |
| t-tan | Stskeeps: sure compiling is easy, but flashing was the problem | 23:16 |
| thresh | Arkenoi: did it help to score ? :) | 23:16 |
| Arkenoi | actually the problem with wap it was damn obvious electronics becomes dirt cheap so there is no need to care about ridiculous kilobyte-size RAM advantages and stuff like that | 23:17 |
| Arkenoi | but people are amazingly stupid | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | t-tan: the fiasco image comes with a version check, so you might be running into that | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | (read: applying PR1.1 kernel on PR1.0) | 23:17 |
| Arkenoi | thresh: at least twice! | 23:17 |
| thresh | wap's still used cause every thone out there in the wild supports it | 23:18 |
| anpr | Arkenoi what was that smartphone ? | 23:18 |
| thresh | s/thone/phone/ | 23:18 |
| infobot | thresh meant: wap's still used cause every phone out there in the wild supports it | 23:18 |
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| Arkenoi | anpr: nokia 9000 | 23:18 |
| ptl | every business phone also supports LEAP authentication | 23:18 |
| t-tan | Stskeeps: ok, that should be solved by the new fiasco-gen. I'm running PR1.1 and I going to compile my custom kernel. | 23:18 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi | 23:18 |
| anpr | kk | 23:19 |
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| anpr | =] | 23:19 |
| ptl | but on the bug report for maemo, people say there are more important things to do | 23:19 |
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| anpr | Arkenoi i just want to ask question | 23:19 |
| anpr | to confuse myself even more | 23:19 |
| ShadowJK | I was happy when I got my first phone witth gprs and discovered the "wap" browser also rendered html2 fine | 23:19 |
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| anpr | what do u think abou htc hd2 and n900, which is better in your opinion and why ? | 23:19 |
| Arkenoi | thresh: it could be much better to define light html subset instead of that ugly crap | 23:19 |
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| ShadowJK | If you use the internet more than voice, the n900 is for you | 23:20 |
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| ShadowJK | if you want a phone for talking into, the n900 is not the best choice | 23:20 |
| ShadowJK | imo | 23:20 |
| anpr | ShadowJK thanks, :) it's to be honest not a question for me | 23:20 |
| anpr | i prefer anywya n900 | 23:20 |
| anpr | but i see like 1000s people so amazed about hd2 | 23:21 |
| anpr | so i just wonder why | 23:21 |
| Arkenoi | anpr: wm is a disaster. first, it is UI disaster, as it is not consistent. we are affected by similar problem with non-hildonized apps too, but "old style" non finger-friendly wm apps are even worse and almost all of them look that way | 23:21 |
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| siriusnova | HD2 is nice | 23:21 |
| siriusnova | i was thinking of buying it today | 23:21 |
| Arkenoi | and there is yet another problem with wm, the problem we suffer as well but far not that bad: power management | 23:21 |
| * RST38h would not call hildonized apps consistent either | 23:21 | |
| siriusnova | Nokia is starting to piss me off with their utter lack of commitment to Maemo | 23:22 |
| Arkenoi | wm cannot sleep properly while staying online | 23:22 |
| RST38h | (I mean Maemo5 hildonized apps rather than Maemo4 | 23:22 |
| siriusnova | and their abandon of the N900 | 23:22 |
| anpr | yeah power management it really actual problem | 23:22 |
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| uhsf | i bought the n900 as a phone for talking into and it was the best choice for me | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | siriusnova, er, they've abandoned the N900? | 23:22 |
| RST38h | siriusnova: there is only one solution to all this angst | 23:22 |
| Arkenoi | so if you have persistent internet connection your battery life is likely to be no more that 12 hours | 23:22 |
| Arkenoi | maybe 16 if you are lucky | 23:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | As far as I'm aware there are at least 3 more updates coming | 23:22 |
| siriusnova | GeneralAntilles: id say so, no ovi maps, buggy software, lack of features as compared to symbian, lack of commercial apps | 23:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | and quite likely more. | 23:23 |
| siriusnova | well | 23:23 |
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| frals | lol | 23:23 |
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| siriusnova | if they update N900 frequently im happy | 23:23 |
| anpr | hmmm | 23:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | siriusnova, it only became a phone platform very recently. | 23:23 |
| Scelt | siriusnova: http://www.mobile88.com/news/read.asp?file=/2009/12/3/20091203020435&sec=International - they're trying. but money makes the world move | 23:23 |
| VDVsx | like twice a week :D | 23:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | siriusnova, Symbian has been around since the 90s. | 23:23 |
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| siriusnova | the N900 has awesome hardware although the battery life could be MUCH better | 23:23 |
| siriusnova | no doubt | 23:23 |
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| siriusnova | but the software is unfinished | 23:23 |
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| anpr | siriusnova yeah | 23:23 |
| keesj | mwkn is nice | 23:24 |
| anpr | and that's why it's amazing, isn't ? | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | siriusnova, what's your battery life? | 23:24 |
| wazd | siriusnova: name one phone with "finished" software? | 23:24 |
| siriusnova | GeneralAntilles: 4-5 hours | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | siriusnova, what in the WORLD are you doing? | 23:24 |
| RST38h | wazd: NOKLA! | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | siriusnova, watching video constantly? | 23:24 |
| wazd | 3G-WiFi AP? :D | 23:24 |
| siriusnova | i have to charge it constantly, i cant make it through the day without it running out | 23:24 |
| siriusnova | nope | 23:24 |
| RST38h | [state-of-factly] He is watching porn. | 23:24 |
| siriusnova | i just have 3G active for my push email | 23:24 |
| siriusnova | thats it | 23:24 |
| frals | 4-5 hrs wtf | 23:24 |
| siriusnova | the screen isnt even on half the time | 23:24 |
| siriusnova | i know it sucks | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | siriusnova, something is VERY wrong. | 23:24 |
| wazd | 3G for push? :D | 23:24 |
| siriusnova | bad unit? | 23:25 |
| ShadowJK | Today my n900 was consuming huge amounts of power again, and it wasn't wifi. Eventually I disconnected and reconnected gprs, and the power use dropped to about 7% of what it was using before... things like that are a bit annoying :) | 23:25 |
| frals | i get that developing when i got wlan without powersaving, screen on and doing lots of testing on device | 23:25 |
| Arkenoi | anpr: and the third thing - at least as important for me: the full voip and messaging integration we have for any protocol is available for MSN only on WM. | 23:25 |
| * GeneralAntilles gets 12-18 hours with IRC, IM, etc. | 23:25 | |
| siriusnova | what | 23:25 |
| siriusnova | i barely get 7 if i dont use 3G | 23:25 |
| siriusnova | what are you doing that im not doing | 23:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | siriusnova, something's wrong with your device or the software on it. | 23:25 |
| wazd | siriusnova: but. You've avoided the question | 23:25 |
| siriusnova | wazd? | 23:25 |
| VDVsx | I get +12h when developing, bluetooth + ssh + wifi | 23:26 |
| johnsu01 | siriusnova: I'm with your boat, and I think I have a bad battery | 23:26 |
| wazd | siriusnova: name a single smartphone with finished software | 23:26 |
| siriusnova | wazd: symbian :P | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | siriusnova, with 5 hour battery life, top may be revealing. | 23:26 |
| anpr | Arkenoi to be honest voip and messaging integration was one of the strongest aspects why i purchased n900 | 23:26 |
| johnsu01 | if I have 3G and jabber presence on, I really only get about 3-4 hours, even if I'm hardly doing anything else | 23:26 |
| siriusnova | GeneralAntilles: herm k | 23:26 |
| VDVsx | wazd, Nokia 1110 or something like that | 23:26 |
| wazd | siriusnova: are you kidding? I can kill my e63 in like, 10sec | 23:26 |
| siriusnova | johnsu01: yeah pretty much | 23:26 |
| ShadowJK | the presence stuff really eats battery on 3g :( | 23:26 |
| anpr | Arkenoi so explain me why than 1000s of people say that n900 sucks | 23:26 |
| wazd | siriusnova: kill that hard to take off the battery | 23:27 |
| anpr | and prefer hd2 | 23:27 |
| anpr | lack of knowladge ? | 23:27 |
| siriusnova | herm | 23:27 |
| siriusnova | ive never had problems with my Nokia 5800 | 23:27 |
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| wazd | VDVsx: I asked for smartphone, not uberphone :D | 23:27 |
| ShadowJK | but it's highly operator dependent too, some operators have settings friendly to always-online use, some have very crap settings for always-online use | 23:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 23:27 |
| VDVsx | wazd, that one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_1100 | 23:27 |
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| VDVsx | wazd, very stable ;) | 23:27 |
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| Scelt | do other european countries have gsm accounts which includes calls, sms, mms and 3G? I'm curious about the prices | 23:28 |
| Arkenoi | anpr: it is thick and not sexy ;-) | 23:28 |
| wazd | siriusnova: there are a lot of people that haven't got any problems with n900 | 23:28 |
| wazd | siriusnova: so what | 23:28 |
| VDVsx | siriusnova, well 5800 before the fw update was a bit bad | 23:28 |
| mtd | anybody built gcc in scratchbox? | 23:28 |
| anpr | hahah :d | 23:28 |
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| sr71 | the N900 is a pocketable computer that just so happens to have a phone included | 23:28 |
| siriusnova | VDVsx - at least the 5800 had full featured ovi maps | 23:28 |
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| mtd | (or, anybody know of an optified gcc .deb for the n900?) | 23:28 |
| anpr | so you want to say, that they are buying smartphone to be like a girlfriend ? :D | 23:28 |
| siriusnova | sr71 - i doubt that since nokia is marketing the n900 as a phone | 23:29 |
| ShadowJK | My contract includes 2mbit/s data and 5 sim cards. voice, sms and mms 6.9 cents per minute/message | 23:29 |
| sr71 | definitely not for someone looking for an iPhone experience | 23:29 |
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| Scelt | in Finland an operator offers 3000 mins of calls, 3000 sms and mms messages plus up to 5 Mbps 3G for 33 e / month. is it cheap or expensive? | 23:29 |
| siriusnova | but for example i have a major grime with the email client | 23:29 |
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| wazd | siriusnova: nokia did awesome job to make maemo almost-consumer-ready | 23:29 |
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| wazd | siriusnova: you can't have everything at the same time | 23:29 |
| anpr | Scelt it's cheap | 23:29 |
| siriusnova | the email cllient doesnt download all your email, it regets it every single time via an internet connection, there is no offline mode | 23:29 |
| VDVsx | Scelt, no downloads limit ? | 23:29 |
| anpr | compare with UK | 23:29 |
| sr71 | well marketing doesn't always reflect reality :) | 23:29 |
| siriusnova | its very very annoying for a "mobile computer" | 23:29 |
| Scelt | VDVsx: nope | 23:29 |
| VDVsx | Scelt, very cheap | 23:30 |
| Arkenoi | anpr: something like that. people are less rational than they are trying to appear. | 23:30 |
| anpr | okay :) | 23:30 |
| Scelt | anpr: okay, but uk is a bit of more expensive country anyway | 23:30 |
| wazd | VDVsx: "It is targeted towards developing countries and users who do not require advanced features beyond making calls and SMS text messages, alarm clock, reminders and BASH console" :D | 23:30 |
| anpr | here we have limits | 23:30 |
| VDVsx | Scelt, but I'm in Portugal, that's cheap comparing to the prices around here | 23:30 |
| Scelt | VDVsx: think so too. actually it is 55 e / mo but 22 e / mo is the payment for N900 so the it's 33 e / mo for the calls etc. | 23:30 |
| anpr | i think with all the providers | 23:30 |
| ShadowJK | The biggest problem with ovi maps is that they called it ovi maps, people assume it's the same software. It's not the same software. One is on symbian and the other on maemo. Symbian and maemo are so different it's more effort to port it than to rewrite it from scratch, which is what they're doing... | 23:31 |
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| VDVsx | wazd, it has bash ???? | 23:31 |
| GAN900 | In JavaScript! | 23:31 |
| VDVsx | gonna but it | 23:31 |
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| VDVsx | *buy | 23:31 |
| wazd | konttori_nokia: ping | 23:31 |
| Scelt | VDVsx: okay. then I guess it | 23:31 |
| Scelt | VDVsx: okay. then I guess it's a good offer | 23:31 |
| wazd | bad idea I guess | 23:31 |
| siriusnova | ShadowJK - problem is not on our side, how does a end user know the difference, and the fact you cant sync with Ovi Suite either and no isync plugin while every other N series device can isnt great either | 23:32 |
| ShadowJK | ugh, ovi suite :) | 23:32 |
| siriusnova | it seems to me that the N900 was an experimental phone just to test the waters | 23:32 |
| siriusnova | with no real backing | 23:32 |
| VDVsx | the best thing here, you can buy a 3g card with no traffic limit, but you can't have unlimited traffic in your phone, LOlol | 23:32 |
| ShadowJK | I don't know why anyone would voluntarily install that | 23:32 |
| siriusnova | Symbian is Nokia's baby | 23:32 |
| Scelt | anpr: what the limits are? how many megabytes in a month? | 23:32 |
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| wazd | symbian is not a baby | 23:33 |
| anpr | hmm | 23:33 |
| VDVsx | ITS a monster | 23:33 |
| siriusnova | lol | 23:33 |
| wazd | symbian is a 100500 yo deaf skeleton :D | 23:33 |
| Arkenoi | wazd: it is just an ugly old dwarf? | 23:33 |
| Arkenoi | ah | 23:33 |
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| siriusnova | the n900 has SO much potential its rediculous | 23:33 |
| Scelt | VDVsx: sounds interesting :] | 23:33 |
| anpr | Scelt in my case, i am using Vodafone, they call it "unlimited mobile internet" which is 500mb per month | 23:33 |
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| anpr | but we have three | 23:33 |
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| anpr | they are more mobile internet friendly | 23:34 |
| wazd | siriusnova: do you have unicorn dust or something? | 23:34 |
| anpr | but i bet they have bloody limits as well | 23:34 |
| ShadowJK | siriusnova: in reality every symbian phone has different ovi/nokia maps and different browser | 23:34 |
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| anpr | just maybe like 2gb/monthly | 23:34 |
| VDVsx | Scelt, is very lame, don't who had that brilliant idea :D | 23:34 |
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| siriusnova | wazd - also for example no USSD support, i cant send a number like #133* | 23:34 |
| VDVsx | siriusnova, you can | 23:34 |
| ShadowJK | if the browser people announce a bugfix on their blog, only half of NEW phones will have it :( | 23:34 |
| siriusnova | so i have to carry a second handset | 23:34 |
| siriusnova | VDVsx - how? | 23:35 |
| VDVsx | siriusnova, there's a app for that | 23:35 |
| Scelt | anpr: okay. it's pretty reasonable limit considering the usage. I dunno how far I could push the operator before they put up a limit but it's said as "until it doesn't disturb the other traffic" | 23:35 |
| wazd | siriusnova: you actually can | 23:35 |
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| siriusnova | i think thats ## | 23:35 |
| siriusnova | not # | 23:35 |
| VDVsx | and some codes already works in the last fw update | 23:35 |
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| siriusnova | yeah ## works | 23:35 |
| siriusnova | not # | 23:35 |
| Scelt | VDVsx: :D | 23:35 |
| anpr | Scelt but i don't think that 1gb monthly | 23:35 |
| anpr | would disturb traffic | 23:35 |
| siriusnova | for checking bank balance or refilling your account | 23:35 |
| Scelt | don't think so too | 23:35 |
| wazd | VDVsx: what's the string for detailed description for control? :) | 23:35 |
| anpr | if you are downloading blu-ray movies with your n900 so yeah, maybe | 23:35 |
| mtd | jebba: thanks for compiling all those etch .debs | 23:35 |
| ShadowJK | siriusnova: don't forget the lack of PTT, 3g video calls, 3g video sharing, 3g image sharing, ovi video center and WML support1 | 23:36 |
| mtd | jebba: ( http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43188 ) | 23:36 |
| wazd | VDVsx: and what should I write in all these stupid descriptions anyway :D | 23:36 |
| anpr | but if you are just a daily user who wants e.g whatch youtube movies 500mb is not a serious ammount of data for you | 23:36 |
| mtd | jebba: can you share your /etc/apt/sources.list from your scratchjobx? | 23:36 |
| mtd | (scratchbox) | 23:36 |
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| * ShadowJK downloaded 3gigs from youtube with gpodder last 2 days... | 23:36 | |
| wazd | and where's that goddamn arrow | 23:36 |
| VDVsx | wazd, I think you would need to divide the current description, gonna check | 23:36 |
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| mtd | jebba: I'm having dependency problems building gcc (I'd like to optify it otherwise I'd just use your packages) | 23:36 |
| VDVsx | *you only need | 23:36 |
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| Scelt | anpr: I checked out the terms. it says that operator has a possibility to prioritize other traffic over the 3G traffic but nothing about limits. and you may not also use p2p programs | 23:37 |
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| ShadowJK | I bet N900 doesn't support cell broadcast either :) | 23:37 |
| anpr | Scelt it's said 500mb limit | 23:37 |
| Scelt | anpr: I mean here in Finland :) | 23:38 |
| anpr | any usage after 500mb will cost | 23:38 |
| anpr | for mb | 23:38 |
| RevdKathy | Goodnight all! | 23:38 |
| anpr | oooh :) | 23:38 |
| Arkenoi | ah, do you have optified gcc for on-device compilation? i want it too ;-) | 23:38 |
| anpr | kk | 23:38 |
| anpr | =] | 23:38 |
| anpr | sorry | 23:38 |
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| wazd | RevdKathy: cya | 23:38 |
| redeeman | the optification thing sounds INSANE | 23:38 |
| GAN900 | siriusnova, wait for the next update. | 23:38 |
| redeeman | why not just have /usr/local be mounted or symlinked | 23:39 |
| redeeman | it seems like a really stupid decision | 23:39 |
| VDVsx | next update will be shipped with white ponies ;) | 23:39 |
| ShadowJK | redeeman: I like to treat /opt/maemo as /usr/local :) | 23:39 |
| Scelt | anpr: np :) but here, it costs 1,5 e / MB without a package. it's a price really encourages to take a 3G package with monthly cost | 23:39 |
| wazd | VDVsx: with golden colt :D | 23:39 |
| redeeman | ShadowJK: but /opt/maemo doesn't even work properly, that's why you gotta symlink shit into / | 23:39 |
| wazd | VDVsx: and 1 bullet :) | 23:39 |
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| VDVsx | wazd, lololol | 23:40 |
| redeeman | its just so stupid, the person that thought it up deserves some serious bitchslapping | 23:40 |
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| mtd | redeeman: is there a good summary somewhere of what "doesn't even work properly" means, precisely? | 23:40 |
| ShadowJK | redeeman: well you can compile things to look in /opt/maemo for libs, and have the desktop/menu shortcut point to /opt/maemo/bin/blah :) | 23:41 |
| wazd | AHA! | 23:41 |
| mtd | Arkenoi: when I find one I'll let you know :) | 23:41 |
| wazd | I'VE FOUND THAT GODDAMN ARROW! | 23:41 |
| redeeman | ShadowJK: its ridiculous that we must create symlinks in / for the application launcher etc to find it | 23:41 |
| * wazd dances | 23:41 | |
| ShadowJK | but overall optification is a solution to an invented problem | 23:41 |
| redeeman | its a POOR solution | 23:41 |
| VDVsx | wazd, yeah, short description is correct now :) | 23:41 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 23:42 |
| wazd | VDVsx: do I need long description? :) | 23:42 |
| VDVsx | wazd, the long one comes above that with a space in the beginning | 23:42 |
| VDVsx | wazd, well, not mandatory, I think | 23:42 |
| ShadowJK | it's improvement though, on N8x0 we didn't even have optification :) | 23:42 |
| VDVsx | but is easy to add | 23:42 |
| wazd | VDVsx: cause I don't know what to write bout dark blue theme :D | 23:42 |
| VDVsx | wazd, you had something | 23:43 |
| t-tan | mtd: I'm working on a gcc4.4 port which would also be optified (I need it on autobuilder) | 23:43 |
| derf | Yes, on the N8x0 you had 256 MB and you liked it. | 23:43 |
| Lumpio- | Is there a list of osso-xterm command line arguments somewhere (I need a --fullscreen one) | 23:44 |
| wazd | VDVsx: it was an absolute stupidity :) | 23:44 |
| Lumpio- | (is this even the right channel?) | 23:44 |
| ShadowJK | and your home dir was on that 256 too :) | 23:44 |
| VDVsx | wazd, eheh, | 23:44 |
| t-tan | jebba: cool! what do you think about http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43420 | 23:44 |
| VDVsx | wazd, IMO its more than fine now :) | 23:45 |
| mtd | t-tan: cool | 23:46 |
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| VDVsx | Lumpio-, --help doesn't give you that list ? | 23:46 |
| Arkenoi | asking here third time (no one answered before): how can i open given url with web browser from a command line? | 23:46 |
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| Arkenoi | does no one really knows? | 23:46 |
| ShadowJK | So, is there any discussion regarding a different system than optification for maemo6? | 23:46 |
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| Caesium | usrlocalification? ;) | 23:47 |
| VDVsx | Arkenoi, for top of my head, I can remember but is possible | 23:47 |
| VDVsx | *from the | 23:47 |
| t-tan | mtd: first I need to finish dependencies for the testsuite. we don't want the compiler to produce crap | 23:47 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: maybe you can searcch tmo for personal menu commands | 23:47 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: maybe it's related | 23:47 |
| ShadowJK | optification is like something you'd do if you wanted to replicate aufs in userspace so badly you didn't consider anything else :) | 23:48 |
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| Lumpio- | VDVsx: As far as I can tell, --help makes it not do anything. | 23:48 |
| Lumpio- | As in not even start, no USAGE, no nothing. | 23:48 |
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| VDVsx | Arkenoi, it's a dbus call, like dbus-send .... | 23:48 |
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| VDVsx | Lumpio-, my device is charging can't test now :D | 23:49 |
| mtd | t-tan: sure. It's a shame apt-get -b pkg doesn't, well, just build that package :( | 23:49 |
| Lumpio- | ...I can test if you have any ideas | 23:49 |
| frals | geh, this hotel got some really annoying firewall, cant ssh to my device >_< | 23:49 |
| Lumpio- | I did try the usual guesses already though | 23:49 |
| frals | s/hotel/hotel wifi/ | 23:50 |
| infobot | frals meant: geh, this hotel wifi got some really annoying firewall, cant ssh to my device >_< | 23:50 |
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| mtd | Arkenoi: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest="com.nokia.osso_browser" --print-reply /com/nokia/osso_browser/request com.nokia.osso_browser.load_url string:"google.com" | 23:50 |
| mtd | Arkenoi: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 23:50 |
| ShadowJK | frals: that reminds me I should setup openvpn on my server to run on tcp https port :) | 23:50 |
| Arkenoi | mtd: heh. thanks. | 23:51 |
| t-tan | mtd: yep. the main problem are the obsolete buildtools and autobuilder. | 23:51 |
| mtd | t-tan: ah :( | 23:51 |
| ShadowJK | atleast it isn't 5 year old codesourcery anymore | 23:52 |
| iPeter- | how to mount nokia n900 on ubuntu on mass storage mode | 23:52 |
| t-tan | mtd: you need several workaround to build modern packages, but I've already uploaded several tools (debhelper7, gnu *utils etc) to make our life easier by just editing PATH | 23:52 |
| t-tan | ShadowJK: only 3 years old now... ;-/ | 23:53 |
| mtd | t-tan: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ claims etch was released 2009, but hrw claims it was 2007. What's the deal? | 23:53 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 23:53 |
| mtd | t-tan: thanks - uploaded where? | 23:53 |
| Lumpio- | Ah well, I guess I can live without auto-fullscreem | 23:53 |
| mtd | hrw-gone-fosdem: you're a bit early for FOSDEM :) | 23:53 |
| t-tan | mtd: extras-devel, the latest bugfix update for etch was in 2009 | 23:53 |
| Lumpio- | Would be nice to at least have a standard USAGE come up though. | 23:53 |
| ShadowJK | send patch ;) | 23:54 |
| Caesium | mtd: that says 4.0r8, ie the 8th update of etch. | 23:55 |
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| angasule | hi, I have an n810 and sound is very choppy with n810 | 23:58 |
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| angasule | with skype, I mean | 23:59 |
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