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| mikhas | GeneralAntilles, yeah | 00:00 |
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| pupnik_ | 2742 Feb 2 23:03 makefile /me cries with joy.... no autoconf, nada... | 00:03 |
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| * pupnik_ puts SDK on "I Can Win" | 00:03 | |
| * RST38h puts SDK on "Defrost" and sharpens the knife | 00:04 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, lot of weird goddamn bugs being associated with Catorise. | 00:05 |
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| red | 13 hours of PHP today | 00:05 |
| ml-mobile | my sympathies | 00:05 |
| * red head has totally shut down | 00:05 | |
| red | see, can't even /me properly | 00:06 |
| * timeless_mbp nods | 00:06 | |
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| * timeless_mbp suggests red hang his head in shame | 00:06 | |
| * red head hung | 00:07 | |
| inz | All PHP and no C makes coder a dull one. | 00:07 |
| * timeless_mbp suggests "/me hangs head" | 00:07 | |
| red | ;) | 00:07 |
| Vanadis | hai | 00:07 |
| Vanadis | i have some movies with several audio tracks in it | 00:08 |
| Vanadis | on my pc (with vlc) i can choose, which one to play | 00:08 |
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| Vanadis | is there something similar on the n900 -> kmplayer? | 00:09 |
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| SmilybOrg | i don't think that there's an app that has a gui for that, but you can use the command line arguments for mplayer and just run it from the terminal | 00:11 |
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| * ifreq would love cmus or moc on n900. got compile problems myself for both | 00:11 | |
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| anpr | hi there guys | 00:11 |
| Vanadis | SmilybOrg, kthx, gonna try it | 00:12 |
| SmilybOrg | ah yes | 00:12 |
| SmilybOrg | found them | 00:12 |
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| SmilybOrg | -aid 1 | 00:12 |
| pupnik_ | is this a bad idea? chmod og+w /dev/mem | 00:12 |
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| SmilybOrg | that'll use the second audio stream i think | 00:12 |
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| pupnik_ | we need a breakfast cereal called Funroll Loops | 00:15 |
| luke-jr | Fun Roll Loops! | 00:15 |
| pupnik_ | ok even better | 00:15 |
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| anpr | anyone knows something about ovi contacts ? | 00:19 |
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| pajp | is there a way to change IM status from the shell (e.g. from a script or the X Terminal)? | 00:21 |
| andre__ | anpr: any specific question? I don't think you'll get any answer otherwise | 00:22 |
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| anpr | andre__ kk | 00:22 |
| anpr | ovi contacts on n900 ? | 00:23 |
| andre__ | "I've got an account for Ovi Contacts two weeks ago and immediately started contacting people. I've met with one girl so far but it didn't work out" ? :-P | 00:23 |
| andre__ | hmm. no, I'm not the right person to talk to today :-) | 00:24 |
| pajp | ;-) | 00:24 |
| * w00t blinks | 00:24 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 00:24 |
| anpr | i looked up in nokia website | 00:24 |
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| anpr | found that's portable for n800 and n810 | 00:24 |
| anpr | but nowhere n900 was mentioned | 00:24 |
| zash | ovi = xmpp right? | 00:25 |
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| mtd | whence can I get dpkg-dev for the n900? | 00:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | mtd: try debian.org? :) | 00:35 |
| mtd | timeless_mbp: sigh | 00:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | it might be in tools/ | 00:36 |
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| Corsac | hmh, there's no way to emulate the n900 to work on kernel stuff atm, is it? | 00:46 |
| Corsac | (like, qemu-omap3 with rootfs or something?) | 00:46 |
| neldoreth | hello, i wanted to ask if there are any other mobile phones capable running maemo besides the n900 - i read about that there exists a port for e.g. the neo freerunner. are there more? | 00:47 |
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| Damion2 | why does space have two clicks ? | 00:47 |
| lucas | is there an easy way to have two network connections (say bluetooth and 3G, or wifi and 3G) at the same time? | 00:48 |
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| ifreq | something more to chew: http://deviate.fi/n900/milkytracker/milky1.png | 00:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | ~mer | 00:49 |
| infobot | rumour has it, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer | 00:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | neldoreth, no. | 00:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | neldoreth, Mer (sort of) runs on the Freerunner. | 00:51 |
| neldoreth | GeneralAntilles: yeah, mer is the "port" i was talking about | 00:51 |
| neldoreth | GeneralAntilles: thanks for the answer | 00:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | neldoreth, just buy an N900. ;) | 00:51 |
| mtd | timeless_mbp: it's in sdk | 00:51 |
| luke-jr | neldoreth: Maemo is Nokia-specific; Mer is derived from parts of Maemo, and runs on multiple phones, though doesn't actually work on any yet last I checked (3D accel mess) | 00:51 |
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| neldoreth | GeneralAntilles: I would if i could afford the money ;) | 00:52 |
| timeless_mbp | mtd: tools would be better. | 00:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | neldoreth, wait a few months. | 00:53 |
| mtd | timeless_mbp: yeah ("son, if it were up to me") | 00:53 |
| Corsac | though I don't think Nokia would prevent any company to use Maemo on their devices :0 | 00:53 |
| neldoreth | GeneralAntilles: i read that nokia will relase just one other phone with maemo in 2010, i am not so sure if i can be optimistic that it will get much cheaper | 00:53 |
| luke-jr | neldoreth: alternatively, I think there is a Mer port to a variety of HTC devices that might be of interest | 00:54 |
| luke-jr | Corsac: huh? Nokia *does* | 00:54 |
| Corsac | oh? | 00:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | neldoreth, no different than their previous release patterns. | 00:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | neldoreth, and the 770, N800 and N810 all dropped significantly in price around 8-12 months after release. | 00:54 |
| luke-jr | Corsac: well, they might let someone if the company licenses it from them, but other than that | 00:54 |
| Corsac | luke-jr: yes, that's what I was talking about | 00:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Corsac, they don't license it, no. | 00:55 |
| Corsac | (that's why I said “company” and not random user) | 00:55 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: oh, Nokia has actually come out and said they won't? O.o | 00:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, no, but it aint hard to figure out. | 00:55 |
| neldoreth | GeneralAntilles: ok, to be honest i never really tracked the handy market, but with maemo it starts being interesting for me | 00:55 |
| luke-jr | I just figured what they were asking was more than anyone considered Maemo to be worth | 00:55 |
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| luke-jr | neldoreth: why, if I might ask? | 00:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, it's the platform that's going to save Nokia, why would they license it? | 00:56 |
| neldoreth | luke-jr: because its open, its "modern" and i can program with gtk/qt for it and the hardware specification is interesting too | 00:56 |
| luke-jr | neldoreth: Maemo is not open, no. | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | neldoreth, you in the US? | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | neldoreth, luke-jr has trollish tendencies, fwiw. | 00:57 |
| neldoreth | GeneralAntilles: no, europe | 00:57 |
| ScribbleJ | Is the symlink /lib/modules/current used for anything? | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | neldoreth, ah, nevermind, then. ;) | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | neldoreth, but, seriously, it'll drop in price by Summer. | 00:57 |
| luke-jr | neldoreth: Maemo uses some open components, similar to OS X using open elements | 00:57 |
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| Corsac | GeneralAntilles: I'm not so sure about that, though | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, pfft. | 00:57 |
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| Corsac | (the licensing stuff) | 00:58 |
| Corsac | it could make sense | 00:58 |
| SpeedEvil | nokia has two problems. | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, Maemo is 80/20 open/closed. | 00:58 |
| luke-jr | neldoreth: Mer is the project that aims to make an open X11-based phone platform | 00:58 |
| ScribbleJ | Actually, I'd say OSX is an OK analogy; OSX has an open source kernel, but I suppose it has a lot more closed binary in userspace than Maemo. | 00:58 |
| SpeedEvil | they want a shiny new phone to sell to people with lots of shiny stuff. | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, OS X doesn't even vaguely approach that. | 00:58 |
| jebba | GeneralAntilles: it's more like 40/60 open/closed according to what i've seen from Stskeeps | 00:59 |
| SpeedEvil | and B) - they want competitors to not be able to trivially run it on their devices and sell customers a UI they already know how to use. | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Apple uses open source to make a more compelling product without contributing much back to the community. | 00:59 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: in importance, they are about par | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia uses open source to create a compelling product while contributing a lot back to the community. | 00:59 |
| luke-jr | open useless parts don't count :P | 00:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, yes, all of Nokia's contributions to the kernel, GTK, Qt, BlueZ, Mozilla, Telepathy, GStreamer, etc, etc, etc are useless. | 01:00 |
| jebba | it's all useful in some way. but too much key bits are closed. | 01:00 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: I didn't say Nokia did nothing. | 01:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | jebba, helluva lot better than any other mobile company, though. | 01:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | jebba, which is why we just have to keep on fighting the good fight. | 01:00 |
| ScribbleJ | Speaking of the kernel, has anyone successfully built and installed their own PR1.1 kernel? | 01:01 |
| ScribbleJ | .... and/or booted it over usb? | 01:01 |
| Damion2 | why does space have two clicks, one initially and a further one if you push harder ? | 01:02 |
| luke-jr | ScribbleJ: I *think* so | 01:02 |
| jebba | ScribbleJ: i still haven't. The new kernel packaging requires a non free program which isn't included. | 01:02 |
| ScribbleJ | jebba, well, yes, but you could build it and install it "manually" without dpkg... | 01:02 |
| jebba | ya, but is lame. | 01:02 |
| ScribbleJ | I'm asking because I have been trying and failing hard. | 01:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Damion2: probably two underlying buttons in parallel | 01:02 |
| luke-jr | ScribbleJ: you're using Nokia's defconfig? | 01:02 |
| ScribbleJ | I can't even build the "Stock" kernel with rx51 config | 01:02 |
| ScribbleJ | luke, I tried, it builds fine, but will not boot either over USB or when flashed. | 01:03 |
| luke-jr | ScribbleJ: what happens? | 01:03 |
| ScribbleJ | The only thing I can get to boot is when I flash the kernel from the 1.1 package from Nokia. | 01:03 |
| pupnik_ | wow Damion2 - never noticed that... | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damion2, it doesn't, don't press it off-center? | 01:03 |
| ScribbleJ | It seems to boot partway, then just shuts down. | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damion2, it's got two buttons under there. | 01:03 |
| jebba | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7972 | 01:03 |
| povbot | Bug 7972: Kernel in PR1.1 build-depends on fiasco-gen which is nowhere to be found | 01:03 |
| ScribbleJ | If I use a fb console lots of text scrolls before it shuts down. | 01:03 |
| pupnik_ | it does here GeneralAntilles | 01:03 |
| pupnik_ | ah | 01:03 |
| * mtd wonders if gcc from sdk is optified, or if it'll suck his opennand dry | 01:03 | |
| ScribbleJ | Does fiasco-gen also provide the on-n900 flasher? Because I can't find that either. :) | 01:03 |
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| jebba | well, they are flashing differently on device with PR1.1 than PR1. Now it tries to call `fiasco-gen`, but that is unavailable (even as binary). So..... | 01:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Grim Fandango, nice. | 01:04 |
| jebba | you could try 0xFFFF | 01:04 |
| Damion2 | ignoring packaging for a mo, can't the zImage just be flashed in from flasher and booted? | 01:05 |
| ScribbleJ | Yeah, jebba... I'm as upset about it as you are. "Fiasco" is an apt name. | 01:05 |
| mrmg | mtd: it buggered up my device | 01:05 |
| jebba | Damion2: ya, likely | 01:05 |
| ScribbleJ | Damion2, not for me. I could be doing something retarded, but I absolutely have been unable to boot any PR1.1 kernel I built myself. | 01:05 |
| Damion2 | pupnik_: yeah it feels like an intentional deep click, like for right/middle clock | 01:05 |
| mrmg | well doing build-essential did | 01:05 |
| jebba | you'll need the modules there too of course | 01:05 |
| Damion2 | ScribbleJ: you're trying the boot via usb rather than flash it in? | 01:06 |
| ScribbleJ | jebba, I can't even boot a rx51_config kernel with -omap1 ... so it should be all the same! | 01:06 |
| ScribbleJ | Damion2, I have tried both. | 01:06 |
| Damion2 | hmm | 01:06 |
| ScribbleJ | Damion2, the only kernel I can flash on and boot is the one from the Nokia installer package. | 01:06 |
| Damion2 | but flashing back stock kernel from 51 works? | 01:06 |
| ScribbleJ | Yup! | 01:06 |
| Damion2 | you golt that from apt? | 01:06 |
| ScribbleJ | No | 01:06 |
| ScribbleJ | Wait | 01:07 |
| ScribbleJ | Got what from apt? | 01:07 |
| Damion2 | if you've used he same configs and gcc etc then the kernel binaries ahould be identical | 01:07 |
| jebba | well, the PR1.1 fiasco-gen script does run on the zImage file, so perhaps they've tweaked zImage in some new way.... | 01:07 |
| ScribbleJ | The stock kernel I flashed on I got from the nokia uhm... giant 150mb flasher package thingy, I forget the proper name of. | 01:07 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:07 |
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| ScribbleJ | Damion2, well, it's hard to guarantee I used all the same stuff; I used the same .config from rx51 but as Jebba points out, I have to run make from the commandline and cannot so a simple buildpackage. | 01:08 |
| Damion2 | oh the 150m thing was extratable? | 01:08 |
| mtd | jebba: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Package_Building_HOWTO is great - thanks | 01:08 |
| ScribbleJ | Damion2, yes, flasher-3.5 provides a commandline switch to extract it. -F I think??? Don't quote me on that. | 01:08 |
| mtd | mrmg: ugh - sorry to hear. Recently? | 01:08 |
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| Damion2 | jebba: isn't that evil if they're altering the zImagde? | 01:08 |
| ScribbleJ | YES | 01:08 |
| ScribbleJ | IT's EVIl that they have a binary they have not released as part of the build toolchain1!! | 01:09 |
| ScribbleJ | sdklfjasdf;klj | 01:09 |
| ScribbleJ | EVIL! | 01:09 |
| Damion2 | do we know what it does? | 01:09 |
| mrmg | mtd: about a week ago | 01:09 |
| ScribbleJ | I want my own kernel. :( | 01:09 |
| mtd | mrmg: ah. argh. | 01:09 |
| ScribbleJ | Damion2, I think in theory it's only responsible for allowing the device to flash itself. | 01:09 |
| mrmg | These devices are made to be broken then fixed :-) | 01:09 |
| ScribbleJ | But we have not seen it, it's not open, but it is due to be released as closed binary I think. | 01:09 |
| mrmg | there's a post on talk about how to set up a chroot which can install the tools | 01:10 |
| Damion2 | if it's just one thing in a chain of cmds which fall over at that point just ln /bin/true | 01:10 |
| mrmg | but I haven't tried it yet | 01:10 |
| ScribbleJ | Damion2, it's a dependency on the debian package files for the kernel, but as I mentioned, I'm fine with running make manually. | 01:10 |
| ScribbleJ | It's just.... my kernels will not successfully boot! | 01:10 |
| ScribbleJ | So far I have not heard of anyone booting PR1.1 kernels they built themselves... | 01:11 |
| ScribbleJ | But | 01:11 |
| ScribbleJ | I have to say my theory about the root cause of the problem here is still that I am retarded. | 01:11 |
| mrmg | lol | 01:11 |
| Damion2 | kernels are extractable. I assume these don't come with a chunk of x86 boot code, but probably do have gzip decompression | 01:11 |
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| mrmg | mtd: let me know if you get anywhere with it | 01:12 |
| ScribbleJ | You're saying I should take the bother of poking around in Nokia's kernel to look for differences? | 01:12 |
| ScribbleJ | Sounds like a lot of bother for probably little reward. | 01:12 |
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| Damion2 | the ppl trying to get NAT to work afe boting their own kernels | 01:13 |
| Damion2 | are booting | 01:14 |
| ScribbleJ | YEah | 01:14 |
| ScribbleJ | That's my goal herre too -- | 01:14 |
| ScribbleJ | But | 01:14 |
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| ScribbleJ | AFAIK they are all on PR1? The old version | 01:14 |
| Damion2 | considered KEXEC ? | 01:14 |
| w00t | I may be wrong | 01:14 |
| w00t | but I don't think kexec works | 01:15 |
| ScribbleJ | No... but as mentioned I am retarded. What's that.? | 01:15 |
| Damion2 | lmgtfy | 01:15 |
| ScribbleJ | no no | 01:15 |
| ScribbleJ | I got it. | 01:15 |
| ScribbleJ | Heh | 01:15 |
| Damion2 | sorry I'm on my n900 so it's a pain | 01:15 |
| ScribbleJ | That's OK | 01:15 |
| Damion2 | w00t at all? | 01:15 |
| ScribbleJ | Whether it works or not, seems like a lame out for a device I bought 'cause it was all openish. | 01:16 |
| w00t | Damion2: *as far as I know*. I might be wrong, this is just what I seem to remember hearing | 01:16 |
| ScribbleJ | I'd rather figure out what I'm fucking up and get the kernel going directly. | 01:16 |
| Damion2 | ScribbleJ: how can PR1 change things, can you build a pr1 kernel that boots? | 01:16 |
| ScribbleJ | That's a good question. | 01:16 |
| neldoreth | thanks for all the information, good night | 01:16 |
| w00t | ScribbleJ: if you're into kernel prodding, talk to Stskeeps amongst other people.. when he's awake (it's late there now) | 01:16 |
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| Damion2 | w00t: 8 only know it working on x86 and PPC (ps3) | 01:17 |
| ScribbleJ | I haven't tried PR1! So... you think it's kosher to boot a PR1 kernel with a PR1.1 everything else? | 01:17 |
| ScribbleJ | Fuck it... I'm at the point where I need to be willing to wipe everyhting to keep playing anyhow I think. | 01:17 |
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| Damion2 | it might not get far in to the os startup but you?ll see if kit boots | 01:17 |
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| ScribbleJ | Well, I know it's easy to miss on the small screen, but my kernels with frambuffer do boot somewhat, I see text scroll... but then they just powerdown. | 01:18 |
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| ScribbleJ | And it's hard to get a bead on why -- tiny screen. :) | 01:18 |
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| ScribbleJ | My dog is waiting for a walk... I'll try more things when I return. I still have options. | 01:19 |
| Damion2 | hmm past the extract/decompress? | 01:19 |
| Damion2 | sounds like it has worked and it's a root=... issue or something | 01:19 |
| ScribbleJ | Not sure? The whole NOLO thing confuses me at this point. I'm still real new to N900. | 01:19 |
| Damion2 | you also changing the initramfs? | 01:19 |
| jebba | mtd: np :) | 01:20 |
| ScribbleJ | There is no initfs, is there? | 01:20 |
| b-man17 | initfs | 01:20 |
| b-man17 | yes | 01:20 |
| jebba | Damion2: ya, i think they are altering the zimage, but i'm not certain. Would be bad. | 01:20 |
| Damion2 | there probably is an initrd-a-like just not n8x0 style with initfs | 01:20 |
| ScribbleJ | What? | 01:20 |
| ScribbleJ | I don't think there is an initrd-alike. | 01:20 |
| ScribbleJ | Uhm | 01:20 |
| jebba | would be cool if it could be done with 0xFFFF instead. you could try that. | 01:21 |
| ScribbleJ | I'll be back to discuss -- I really gotta' walk the poor doggie. | 01:21 |
| Damion2 | you think the kernel is mounting the block device itself and running /sbin/init ? | 01:21 |
| b-man17 | it's on a partition | 01:21 |
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| ScribbleJ | What I think happens: NOLO does magic (tm). | 01:21 |
| Damion2 | b-man17: I tholught that was n8x0 style? | 01:21 |
| Damion2 | do you need to rdev the zImage ? | 01:22 |
| b-man17 | it is ;) | 01:22 |
| b-man17 | ? | 01:22 |
| Damion2 | b-man17: I couldn't see any way to mount like in theolder h/ware | 01:22 |
| Damion2 | man rdev | 01:23 |
| b-man17 | hmm | 01:23 |
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| b-man17 | i (think) initfs is mounted on /dev/mtd3 | 01:26 |
| b-man17 | **contained | 01:26 |
| Damion2 | not ubi? | 01:26 |
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| b-man17 | nope | 01:27 |
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| Damion2 | it starts NOLO | 01:28 |
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| b-man17 | hm | 01:30 |
| Damion2 | some english in there | 01:30 |
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| Damion2 | gah stupid cut down crap | 01:31 |
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| jophish | Does anyone here use cutempd? | 01:36 |
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| mtd | mrmg: will do | 01:38 |
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| * mtd wishes he had a squeeze box to build on :( | 01:43 | |
| mrmg | :( | 01:44 |
| mrmg | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/armel/ | 01:44 |
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| CShadowRun | Does the N900 do wifi tethering? I can't seem to find an app for it | 01:45 |
| Shapeshifter | CShadowRun: joikuspot is coming out soon | 01:46 |
| CShadowRun | any eta? does it cost? | 01:46 |
| Shapeshifter | no clue | 01:46 |
| Shapeshifter | i think it was free? | 01:47 |
| Damion2 | it has a free version on symbian and a pay version | 01:47 |
| CShadowRun | whats the difference between the 2 versions? :) | 01:47 |
| Damion2 | the pay does full nat the free is limited to proxied http iirc | 01:47 |
| CShadowRun | oh, that's no good :( | 01:48 |
| luke-jr | NAT ftl | 01:48 |
| luke-jr | what version does MIPv6?? | 01:48 |
| Damion2 | you can set up an ad-hoc network and run squid right now if you know how | 01:48 |
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| luke-jr | and full IPv6 routing? | 01:48 |
| Damion2 | ipv6 is trivial | 01:48 |
| luke-jr | :p | 01:48 |
| mrmg | I just use bluetooth dun | 01:48 |
| Damion2 | oh if it supported it | 01:48 |
| Damion2 | if you don?t need nat like you own some addresses then just turn on ip fwding | 01:49 |
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| CShadowRun | lol why hasn't anyone made this yet? | 01:49 |
| Shapeshifter | can it tether over usb? | 01:49 |
| Damion2 | yes | 01:49 |
| Damion2 | CShadowRun: which? full nat wifi or any of the almost as good options? | 01:50 |
| CShadowRun | either I guess | 01:50 |
| luke-jr | CShadowRun: lack of need? | 01:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Damion2: tr -c 'a-zA-Z ' '\n' </bin/sh|awk '/^$/{next}length($0)>4}' | 01:50 |
| CShadowRun | lack of need for wifi tethering :o | 01:50 |
| Damion2 | SpeedEvil: nice :) | 01:51 |
| luke-jr | if you wanted to carry around a laptop, why bother with a N900? :p | 01:51 |
| Damion2 | proxy adhoc I've done | 01:51 |
| CShadowRun | luke-jr: because laptop is for sitting down and N900 is for on the move :P | 01:51 |
| Damion2 | nat is hard as it need kernel-fu | 01:51 |
| CShadowRun | what's the difference? | 01:52 |
| Damion2 | oh you need proxy arp ifyou have a network range | 01:52 |
| Mousey | infobot: asl? | 01:52 |
| infobot | Old enough, yes please, my place. | 01:53 |
| Mousey | ^_^ | 01:53 |
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| odin_ | is AngryBird optified ? | 01:53 |
| Damion2 | odin_: no | 01:54 |
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| Damion2 | in fact it's got huge libs | 01:54 |
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| odin_ | oh another KOffice then | 01:55 |
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| frals | my angrybirds is installed in /opt/rovio.. no idea what other files it installed thou | 01:57 |
| Damion2 | frals: it uses massive libQt* in /usr/lib | 01:57 |
| Damion2 | oh I might be confusing it with offscr | 01:58 |
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| Damion2 | anyway stuff will eventually share use of those but it ate loads of my / | 01:58 |
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| redeeman | what? angrybirds didn't really use much space here | 02:00 |
| redeeman | Damion2: it does get installed to /opt/rovio | 02:01 |
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| jophish | If an application has been ported to run on the n810, how tricky should it be to get it running on fremantle? | 02:03 |
| jophish | ported*hildonized | 02:04 |
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| andre__ | jophish, http://wiki.maemo.org/Developer_FAQ#Porting_to_Fremantle | 02:07 |
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| jophish | thanks andre__ | 02:07 |
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| caratorn | I am trying to install libqt libs in scratchbox but it fails with libgles2 uninstalable, does anyone know how to install it? | 02:09 |
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| Texrat | hoy hoy | 02:09 |
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| andre__ | caratorn, what is the exact error? | 02:10 |
| andre__ | Hi Texrat! | 02:10 |
| Texrat | hey andre__ | 02:10 |
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| caratorn | it's libqt4-opengl depends on opengles-sgx-img-common, libgles2 and libgles2-sgx-img but are not installable | 02:11 |
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| caratorn | I furthermore added the extras-devel repository | 02:11 |
| Damion2 | odin_ / redeeman : I was confusing angry with the offscr apps | 02:13 |
| redeeman | they too install into /opt/offscr-appname | 02:13 |
| andre__ | caratorn: my guess is that nokia-binaries repository is not activated/installed | 02:14 |
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| caratorn | andre__: what is the adress of that repository? I can't see a nokia-binaries in the sources.list | 02:16 |
| andre__ | yeah, so you should add it :) mom | 02:17 |
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| Texrat | hey Milly | 02:17 |
| mtd | anybody have fedora 12 x86_64 scratchbox compiling to armel? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34924 #1- seems to suggest I might expect problems. | 02:18 |
| mtd | #10 | 02:18 |
| andre__ | caratorn, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation - search for "nokia-binaries" | 02:18 |
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| caratorn | andre__: thx | 02:19 |
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| * Dante_J Bows, greets the room | 02:23 | |
| mtd | crap, I need to find a place to stay at FOSDEM. | 02:23 |
| mtd | anybody know a good hotel? | 02:23 |
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| caratorn | is there a simple way to compile projects on the normal file system with scratchbox? it's a pain to have to copy the files over | 02:26 |
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| ScribbleJ | Uhm | 02:27 |
| ScribbleJ | They are in the normal filesystem. | 02:27 |
| ScribbleJ | You on Ubuntu? | 02:27 |
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| pupnik_ | mtd, it's rather late in the game | 02:27 |
| ScribbleJ | Just peek in /scratchbox/users/home/... something.... | 02:27 |
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| mtd | pupnik: yup | 02:28 |
| caratorn | I'm on arch | 02:28 |
| caratorn | ok, thx ScribbleJ | 02:29 |
| pupnik | i need to find out where i'm staying :P | 02:29 |
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| pupnik | http://www.louisehotel.com/en/index.php | 02:30 |
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| Texrat | hey pupnik! | 02:31 |
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| odin_ | Damion2, I don't mine libQt going to rootfs (but would be good to find something to move out!) | 02:33 |
| pupnik | hi Texrat long time | 02:33 |
| odin_ | mtd, I am on F12/x84_64 and yes I got scratchbox working | 02:33 |
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| pekuja | have any new N900 cases popped up recently? | 02:36 |
| pekuja | I would still like to have one that would allow me to at least plug my headphones in while the phone is in the case | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | well - I have a nasty one off ebay that works just fine | 02:37 |
| SpeedEvil | and is very cheap and replacable | 02:37 |
| Dante_J | pekuja: It too me age to find a nice case for my N800. Found a book binder in Lucca who fashioned me one out of Tuscan leather. It's a pouch, looks great, and protects the N800. However it's not really suited to the N900, and I bet you're not that close to Tuscany. :/ | 02:38 |
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| pekuja | no... | 02:42 |
| pekuja | SpeedEvil: nasty? also, can you plug your headphones in? | 02:42 |
| Dante_J | pekuja: I only mentioned it as previously I'd not considered having a custom made case as an option, when surprisingly it is. Cheers | 02:43 |
| mtd | odin_: thanks | 02:44 |
| pekuja | Dante_J: cool | 02:44 |
| pekuja | Dante_J: was that expensive? | 02:44 |
| Dante_J | 30 Euro | 02:44 |
| pekuja | not bad | 02:45 |
| Dante_J | a bit expensive I guess, but really well made and tough | 02:45 |
| Dante_J | They also has iPhone pouches in the portrait orientation - something like that could be modded, N900 being a bit fatter | 02:46 |
| odin_ | so the verdict is Angry Bird is optified ? | 02:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | pekuja: it's got some rough edges - a few moments with some sandpaper fixed that. | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | odin_: | 02:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.com/Hard-clear-Crystal-protect-cover-case-for-Nokia-N900_W0QQitemZ280449486061QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item414c178ced | 02:48 |
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| pekuja | is Angry Birds still not for sale on Ovi? | 02:51 |
| pekuja | SpeedEvil: this is the case you've got? | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | pekuja: yes. | 02:51 |
| pekuja | hmm | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | pekuja: it's not great - but it fits OK - all the ports are accessible - and it doesn't fall off easily. | 02:52 |
| pekuja | looks like a hassle when you need to answer the phone though | 02:52 |
| SpeedEvil | I would like a somewhat nicer case - but haven't seen one that's really ideal | 02:52 |
| SpeedEvil | why? | 02:52 |
| pekuja | I assume you need to take it apart? | 02:52 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 02:52 |
| pekuja | that's what it looks like | 02:52 |
| pekuja | so is there a hinge? | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | it fits over the n900 - with each half grabbing one half of the phone | 02:53 |
| pekuja | oh, so you just remove the front cover? | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | you don't remove either cover | 02:53 |
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| pekuja | well how do you answer the phone then? | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | umm. like normal? | 02:53 |
| pekuja | through the cover? | 02:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | it does not obstruct any buttons or the touchscreen | 02:54 |
| pekuja | oh | 02:54 |
| pekuja | it looks like it does | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil | you use it along with a touchscreen protector | 02:54 |
| pekuja | well that's... | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil | ah - right | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil | the picture inside it is just cardboard | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know why they put that in | 02:54 |
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| pekuja | so I guess the point of this case is to protect from falls | 02:55 |
| pekuja | not so much scratches | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | pretty much. | 02:55 |
| Texrat | hey crashanddie | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | you put a screen protector on it | 02:55 |
| pekuja | yeah | 02:55 |
| crashanddie | yo Texrat | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | so the screen can't be scratched. | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | the only bit that's then sort-of-vulnerable to scratches is where the pointer goes in - or the protruding camera bit | 02:56 |
| Texrat | I still owe you a response on your flyer suggestions crashanddie... I have not forgotten | 02:56 |
| Texrat | you gave me a lot of work | 02:56 |
| Texrat | :) | 02:56 |
| odin_ | I've drilled a hole through mine and attached some elastic | 02:57 |
| pekuja | yeah, I get it. I don't think I really want a case like this | 02:57 |
| odin_ | N900's make good yo-yo's | 02:57 |
| pekuja | I'd rather have the phone out of the case when I'm using it | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | odin_: there is a lanyard hole | 02:57 |
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| ScribbleJ | I have the ZAGG full body coverage on my N900 | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | pekuja: fair enough. It does add noticable thickness. | 02:57 |
| ScribbleJ | I really like it. | 02:57 |
| odin_ | SpeedEvil, is that not the mic hole ? | 02:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | odin_: no | 02:57 |
| ScribbleJ | It wouldn't do anything against a drop probably but for scratches, it's invulnerable. | 02:57 |
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| odin_ | oh at the top ? | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | next to the USB port | 02:57 |
| ScribbleJ | I took a key to my screen at the office today to show it off. | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | open the back. | 02:58 |
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| pekuja | ScribbleJ: brave | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | you can poke a lanyard string through the hole into the back - and secure it there | 02:58 |
| Dante_J | A question - is Maemo Mapper going to be ported to the N900? | 02:58 |
| Andrewfblack | Texrat, You around | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | the mic is on the front - that slot | 02:58 |
| pekuja | ScribbleJ: so does it not leave a mark on the shield itself? | 02:58 |
| Texrat | heyo! | 02:58 |
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| Texrat | Andrewfblack, you want to go to #maemo-meeting? | 02:59 |
| ScribbleJ | pekuja, nope, not a single mark! It's great stuff! I woudl recommend it to anyone. IT's a little bit of ap ain to apply, but you only have to do it once. | 02:59 |
| pekuja | cool | 02:59 |
| Andrewfblack | Texrat, sure | 02:59 |
| pekuja | I should consider getting that | 02:59 |
| ScribbleJ | http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/nokia-n900-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php <- I don't work for them or anything, just a very satisfied customer. | 02:59 |
| Texrat | ok, let me see how to do that in the web client... | 03:00 |
| SpeedEvil | the above case - the one I have - is somewhat protective for falls. | 03:00 |
| dnaumov | ScribbleJ: yes, my zagg invisibleshield on my n900 has been great | 03:00 |
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| dnaumov | ScribbleJ: mine isn a full body cover though, just the front screen | 03:01 |
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| ScribbleJ | I got the full body cover... but it's more like 90% really. | 03:01 |
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| pekuja | doesn't cover the edges | 03:02 |
| Proteous | I think battle damage gives my n900 character | 03:02 |
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| ScribbleJ | Well, it covers most of the edges actually. | 03:02 |
| Texrat | ... | 03:02 |
| pekuja | oh, ok | 03:02 |
| ScribbleJ | Just nothing on the right-hand side with the audio jack, and not the edge of the sliding screen piece. | 03:03 |
| ScribbleJ | But it does have a part that goes around the usb connector and covers that side, and the top between the buttons, the the whole bottom edge to the stylus. | 03:04 |
| ScribbleJ | The back protection is nice 'cause it makes the N900 sit better on it's stand. More grip. | 03:04 |
| Texrat | Andrewfblack I'm in #maemo-meeting | 03:04 |
| ScribbleJ | its | 03:04 |
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| pupnik | hmm keysigning party @ fosdem :) fun idea | 03:16 |
| pupnik | http://wiki.cacert.org/events/FOSDEM2010 | 03:16 |
| SpeedEvil | just remember. | 03:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Be responsible. | 03:18 |
| SpeedEvil | http://xkcd.com/364/ | 03:18 |
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| pupnik | awesome | 03:19 |
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| bjv | anyone familiar with the 'check for updates every X time period', 'only check for updates when connected to Type' settings | 03:25 |
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| bjv | in many of the osso/nokia apps? | 03:26 |
| bjv | as i see it, if i set mail to check every five minutes | 03:26 |
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| bjv | and i let 6 minutes elapse while disconnected | 03:26 |
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| bjv | when i next connect, i would expect the app to immediately poll. | 03:27 |
| bjv | but from what i have observed the mail/rss apps dont do this | 03:27 |
| bjv | how normal/desirable is this? | 03:28 |
| pupnik | i wonder if i'll have anything worth demoing by friday | 03:28 |
| bjv | is there a better way to do periodic on-demand connection usage? | 03:29 |
| bjv | like, mail's 5-minute check for new messages | 03:29 |
| bjv | does not appear to request an on-demand connection | 03:30 |
| bjv | like submitting an http request with the browser causes the connection manager to fire up and try to connect to something | 03:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yo, crashanddie. | 03:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie -> #maemo-meeting | 03:31 |
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| pupnik | ARM and DSP talking to each other in OMAP3: the dspbridge: Víctor Manuel Jáquez Leal <<< fosdem !!! :D | 03:33 |
| SpeedEvil | interesting. | 03:34 |
| * SpeedEvil ownders if it will be online | 03:34 | |
| pupnik | http://wiki.maemo.org/FOSDEM_2010 | 03:34 |
| pupnik | not trusting anyone else to film now :D | 03:34 |
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| mtd | pupnik: nice - and I just booked my room :) | 03:44 |
| pupnik | cool. hope the rates were decent | 03:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.slashgear.com/texas-instruments-omap4-hands-on-0172231/ | 03:44 |
| mtd | pupnik: compared to london, pretty good :) | 03:45 |
| SpeedEvil | 'It's a 833 ball BGA' 'It feels quite light' 'it has writing on the top' - review pretty much over. | 03:45 |
| mtd | pupnik: know of any maemo get-togethers planned? | 03:45 |
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| pupnik | see wiki! | 03:46 |
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| pupnik | http://wiki.maemo.org/FOSDEM_2010 | 03:47 |
| mtd | pupnik: oh yeah, I should update my status there | 03:47 |
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| pupnik | bike rentals r cheap :) | 04:18 |
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| pupnik | "Texas Instruments reckon that, while a roughly 1,000 mAh battery would be good for 30 to 50 hours of MP3 playback with an OMAP3"... <COUGH> would be _nice_... | 04:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, cool thing about OMAP4 is that the dual core gives you some really big powersaving advantages. | 04:20 |
| pupnik | it does? | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Running at dual 500MHz vs a single 1GHz is less than half the consumption | 04:20 |
| odin_ | pupnik, well that could be true if you decoded 128Mb at a time and shut CPU down | 04:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since voltage doesn't scale linearly, etc. | 04:21 |
| * pupnik notes that most apps do not scale linearly to multi-core either | 04:21 | |
| derf | Most parallel computations don't, either. | 04:21 |
| derf | Yeah, exactly. | 04:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure | 04:21 |
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| ShadowJK | 30-50 doesn't sound too far off | 04:25 |
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| kamui__ | well | 04:26 |
| kamui__ | I was able to build ufo AI | 04:26 |
| kamui__ | but I get a red bordered screen | 04:26 |
| kamui__ | looking at the reqs, it definately requires opengl | 04:27 |
| kamui__ | not what I was expecting though | 04:27 |
| kamui__ | figured it would be slow as a sack | 04:27 |
| pupnik | nice kamui__ | 04:30 |
| kamui__ | well pupnik | 04:30 |
| kamui__ | it doesn't QUITE work yet | 04:31 |
| kamui__ | but Im making progress with the opengles wrapper | 04:31 |
| kamui__ | if I can get it working with blender, it can be expanded hopefully for building opengl games too | 04:31 |
| pupnik | :D | 04:31 |
| pupnik | take notes pls | 04:32 |
| konfoo | does Tear run on the n900? im getting a crash dump on firing it up | 04:32 |
| Pavel | Is there an easy way to install less and nano (the UNIX command-line utilities) on the N900? | 04:32 |
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| ShadowJK | enable/add sdk tools rep, apt-get install | 04:36 |
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| Pavel | ShadowJK: Where is that repository? | 04:39 |
| ShadowJK | they're listed at repository.maemo.org | 04:40 |
| Pavel | ShadowJK: Thanks. | 04:40 |
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| ShadowJK | sdk tools is probably safe-ish to use on device, sdk repo not | 04:40 |
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| odin_ | fremantle/tools (not SDK tools) ? | 04:43 |
| Pavel | Also, is there an emulator available for N900? | 04:43 |
| odin_ | as SDK tools are fremantle/sdk (but I don't think they are 'armel') | 04:44 |
| odin_ | you mean, is there a "N900 device emulator for a PC intel host" ? | 04:45 |
| Pavel | odin_: Pretty much. | 04:45 |
| odin_ | Pavel, yes the scratchbox SDK with "nokia-binaries" installed, can both allow native ia32 compiling of apps (for testing in Xephyr) and also run armel apps (through qemu CPU emulation) | 04:46 |
| kamui__ | pupnik | 04:47 |
| dmj726 | hi kamui__ | 04:47 |
| kamui__ | sup dmj726 | 04:47 |
| dmj726 | just saw the ufo thread | 04:48 |
| ShadowJK | fremantle/tools armel | 04:48 |
| kamui__ | lol, im killing myself dmj726 | 04:48 |
| dmj726 | I'm quite excited about seeing your work come to fruition. | 04:48 |
| pupnik | there are a lot of things that need opengl -> openglES ... a LOT! | 04:48 |
| kamui__ | opengles wrapper is WAY harder than I thought | 04:48 |
| kamui__ | if I can at least get a successfull build I'd feel better | 04:48 |
| kamui__ | im trying to build glxgears | 04:48 |
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| pupnik | luckily some games use a very limited set of it | 04:49 |
| kamui__ | using a systemwide opengles patch | 04:49 |
| pupnik | there ya go :) | 04:49 |
| dmj726 | Yeah, but if you can make it work, It'll be arguably one of the most important packages in all of maemo | 04:49 |
| kamui__ | which might be the wrong way to go | 04:49 |
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| dmj726 | I can think of several game engines mostly waiting on gles issues | 04:49 |
| fredrin | finaly i got my n900 goodbye FreeRunner RIP or i'll make use of you in 1 or 2 years :D | 04:49 |
| pupnik | some things are hard to do with no knowledge | 04:49 |
| dmj726 | kamui__: good learning experience | 04:50 |
| kamui__ | yea, but it could take weeks at this rate | 04:50 |
| kamui__ | Im literrally having to learn opengl AND opengles at the same time | 04:50 |
| kamui__ | which is never good | 04:50 |
| dmj726 | weeks isn't that long really | 04:50 |
| dmj726 | I've spent years on a single project. | 04:51 |
| Pavel | odin_: Neat. | 04:51 |
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| dmj726 | Of course all the n900 users will be able to brag about opengl support ;) | 04:52 |
| kamui__ | someone do me a HUGE favor | 04:53 |
| kamui__ | run glxgears | 04:53 |
| kamui__ | and tell me what the fps is | 04:53 |
| dmj726 | on n900? | 04:53 |
| kamui__ | yes | 04:53 |
| kamui__ | with stock opengl software rendering | 04:54 |
| N900evil | don't have it in repo | 04:54 |
| kamui__ | I would need someone with mesa to build it | 04:54 |
| kamui__ | I know some people have already done this | 04:54 |
| kamui__ | pupnik: im looking at you | 04:54 |
| kamui__ | my GL headers are already destroyed | 04:55 |
| dmj726 | ah no wonder it didn't work | 04:55 |
| kamui__ | so I want to compare this build of glxgears I just made | 04:55 |
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| kamui__ | with the current state of the opengles wrapper | 04:55 |
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| kamui__ | im getting about 22fps out of glxgears | 04:59 |
| kamui__ | anyone who doesn't mind kindly compiling the mesa-utils package want to tell me what they see for a framerate? | 05:00 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't mind. | 05:01 |
| SpeedEvil | i can't - but i don't mind. | 05:01 |
| kamui__ | I wish I had thought of this before I Started making the gles wrapper | 05:01 |
| kamui__ | so now I have no idea if its even faster at all | 05:02 |
| SpeedEvil | jsut untar a fresh tree surely? | 05:02 |
| kamui__ | not that simple speed | 05:02 |
| SpeedEvil | k | 05:02 |
| kamui__ | Im modifying the actual GL headers | 05:02 |
| SpeedEvil | i mean a fresh lot of headers | 05:02 |
| kamui__ | the gl headers in /usr/include/GL | 05:02 |
| pupnik | check youtube kamui__ | 05:03 |
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| luke-jr | wow | 05:08 |
| luke-jr | my N810 is HOT | 05:08 |
| luke-jr | and CPU is IDLE | 05:08 |
| luke-jr | wtf? | 05:08 |
| pupnik | check battery\ | 05:09 |
| luke-jr | ? | 05:09 |
| kamui__ | pupnik, I did already, didn't see anything | 05:09 |
| pupnik | ok got removed - http://www.youtube.com/user/unique311#p/u unique311 had it | 05:11 |
| kamui__ | just saw a chicks butt | 05:11 |
| kamui__ | nice too | 05:12 |
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| ShadowJK | yes, check battery | 05:21 |
| ShadowJK | happened to mine too | 05:21 |
| odin_ | dpkg builder question: "dpkg-genchanges: warning: package XYZ in control file but not in files list" what does that mean ? (sorry google full of questions not answers) | 05:22 |
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| ShadowJK | Battery, wifi or bluetooth.. | 05:23 |
| luke-jr | battery didn't seem significantly hotter than the rest | 05:23 |
| luke-jr | but I pulled it | 05:23 |
| luke-jr | curiously, it was hot enough to melt the ink covering the battery's serial number | 05:24 |
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| pupnik | the airline ticket round trip to brussels is 36 euro. the TAXES are 100 euro. the airport fees are another 30 euro... | 05:27 |
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| dmj726 | the taxes and fees are 400% of the price? | 05:33 |
| Pavel | Sounds stereotypically European. Too stereotypically European... | 05:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Taxes and fees are an increasing proprotion of the ticket price with the reduction in seat prices. | 05:36 |
| derf | Someones gotta pay for the security to make sure no one blows you up with their shoes. | 05:38 |
| SpeedEvil | And to remove any containers of over 100ml. | 05:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | Neglecting that someone serious about it can conceal a 2l bottle. | 05:39 |
| fredrin | the security guys in germany took my leather man.... even the knife blade was broken :( | 05:40 |
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| pupnik | i wonder if cucumbers wrapped in tinfoil are allowed | 05:46 |
| ShadowJK | they're supposedly obliged to display the price including unavoidable fees | 05:47 |
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| derf | SpeedEvil: "Saline". | 05:48 |
| dracflamloc | swhats up? | 05:48 |
| pupnik | yes, new rules - no hidden add-on-costs. that's not a problem. the fun part is seeing how much goes to taxes and how little goes to the poor airline | 05:48 |
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| pupnik | hah found another one where swissair makes 13 euro for schlepping me 400 km | 05:49 |
| pupnik | :D | 05:49 |
| pupnik | and they are still cheaper than the subsidized trains... lol | 05:50 |
| pupnik | sorry </fosdemtravel> | 05:50 |
| dracflamloc | just ordered a n900 =D | 05:51 |
| kamui__ | cumgrats | 05:51 |
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| mtd | ugh, getting mmap: permission denied errors during hal scratchbox installation | 05:51 |
| dracflamloc | cumgrats? | 05:51 |
| kamui__ | yes. cumgrats. | 05:52 |
| dracflamloc | should i be scared? haha | 05:52 |
| dracflamloc | im dloading the sdk vm now | 05:52 |
| pupnik | kamui__: regardless, 22fps in glxgears is not good. i seem to recall the mesa version getting about 2 fps on n800 though | 05:54 |
| kamui__ | pupnik | 05:54 |
| kamui__ | its a software implementation only | 05:54 |
| kamui__ | thats why I was checking | 05:54 |
| pupnik | oh | 05:54 |
| pupnik | nice then | 05:54 |
| kamui__ | it would suffice for blender if the normal result was what I heard which was rumored at like 5fps | 05:54 |
| pupnik | ah i was wrong | 05:55 |
| Pavel | Blender on N900? | 05:55 |
| pupnik | "I get about 10 fps using the Mesa Software Rasterizer. " | 05:55 |
| pupnik | http://www.flickr.com/photos/qole2/2587752983/ | 05:55 |
| kamui__ | pupnick, N900? | 05:55 |
| Pavel | dracflamloc: A little. | 05:55 |
| pupnik | 800 | 05:55 |
| kamui__ | shit | 05:55 |
| kamui__ | so I might not be getting any enhancement | 05:56 |
| pupnik | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=452331&postcount=397 check that one too | 05:56 |
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| pupnik | http://www.beagleboard.org/irclogs/index.php?date=2010-01-08 another google hit | 05:58 |
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| dracflamloc_ | so, in peoples opinions, what do you think the n900 lacks in software that could be made by a community devevlop? | 06:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Ships and shoes and sealing wax, cabbages and kings. | 06:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I want a flashlight app that goes on when you flip the lenscover open when the camera is pointing down. | 06:02 |
| dracflamloc_ | what for? | 06:02 |
| luke-jr | dracflamloc_: AR :D | 06:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Because it's an easy way to differentiate between wanting camera and light | 06:02 |
| dracflamloc_ | ah | 06:03 |
| SpeedEvil | and it doens't involve stuff like flipping the camera open-closed-open | 06:03 |
| SpeedEvil | or using any controls | 06:03 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: does the lenscover cover the light too? | 06:03 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 06:03 |
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| luke-jr | o | 06:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | regrettably | 06:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | it could be modded with a little bit of transparent plastic if drilled | 06:04 |
| SpeedEvil | but that isn't really easy | 06:04 |
| SpeedEvil | actually - yes it is | 06:04 |
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| luke-jr | transparent plastic is a very nice idea | 06:06 |
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| luke-jr | it would even look more like a flashlight possibly :p | 06:06 |
| dracflamloc_ | luke-jr, AR? | 06:07 |
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| luke-jr | dracflamloc_: Augmented Reality | 06:07 |
| Ken-Young | SpeedEvil, Are you sure the flash LEDs can remain constantly illuminated without being damaged? | 06:07 |
| dracflamloc_ | ah | 06:07 |
| dracflamloc_ | that'd be a fun project | 06:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Ken-Young: look at the driver source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement - linked off | 06:08 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 06:09 |
| SpeedEvil | not that | 06:09 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Flash_Torch | 06:09 |
| SpeedEvil | The flashlight intensity is 1/7th of the flash intensity | 06:09 |
| Ken-Young | SpeedEvil, At 1/7th, is it still brighter than the backlight LEDs? | 06:11 |
| SpeedEvil | much | 06:12 |
| SpeedEvil | maybe 500*? | 06:12 |
| Ken-Young | Wow, I would not have guessed that. | 06:12 |
| SpeedEvil | ~30 lumens vs well under one. | 06:13 |
| SpeedEvil | I can't find batteries for my light meter - or I'd have measured it | 06:13 |
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| Pavel | SpeedEvil: In the long run, the first link is more important. | 06:20 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 06:21 |
| SpeedEvil | but it does not directly address the question of flash LED maximum currents. | 06:21 |
| Ken-Young | That's why the agreement will never be ratified. | 06:22 |
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| jebba | Debian Etch rebuilt: | 06:25 |
| jebba | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43188 | 06:25 |
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| |R | http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/29/vote-for-the-2009-engadget-awards <- n900 | 06:30 |
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| jebba | hmm, getting beat by even the palm pre. | 06:34 |
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| dracflamloc_ | it probably mirrors sales %s pretty well | 06:35 |
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| Guest8472 | does anyone knows when will video chat be released? | 06:37 |
| greenfly | I saw mention in talk.maemo.org that video chat works with google talk | 06:38 |
| jebba | Guest8472: it seems like it's pretty much there, just missing a few interface tweaks. | 06:38 |
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| Guest8472 | i saw it on youtube | 06:38 |
| jebba | greenfly: ya, but the google talk person (or any XMPP jabber) must initiate the video call. So you can't do N900 to N900 | 06:38 |
| Guest8472 | a video chat with gtalk | 06:38 |
| greenfly | ahh | 06:39 |
| Guest8472 | yup | 06:39 |
| Guest8472 | that's right | 06:39 |
| swc|666 | jebba> Debian Etch rebuilt: ... how much space did that take? | 06:39 |
| Guest8472 | but i'm asking about the release that makes n900 makes video calls by itself | 06:40 |
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| pupnik | i thought we'd have video calls long, long ago. atm i upload video to show people stuff. | 06:46 |
| ilovefish | interesting, i got a red exclemetion point in the status bar :) | 06:47 |
| villager | my homemade CyborgEye program can also activate the flash torch... I'm hoping I'll be able to make it into some AR-style app over the next few months | 06:48 |
| pupnik | how about initiating video recording on double-tap | 06:48 |
| villager | currently reading some books about machine learning, computer vision, and stuff | 06:49 |
| pupnik | and yet there are such simple useful things that need making | 06:49 |
| pupnik | like being able to initiate a video recording for your own security | 06:49 |
| pupnik | without obviously fumbling with a camera | 06:49 |
| villager | you'd have to open the camera cover, wouldn't you? | 06:50 |
| villager | or you plan to have it open constantly? | 06:50 |
| pupnik | open | 06:50 |
| luke-jr | |R: will you get me one if i do? :P | 06:50 |
| pupnik | upon leaving house | 06:50 |
| jebba | swc|666: 10G | 06:50 |
| pupnik | camera peeks above the edge of my vest pocket | 06:51 |
| villager | and what do you mean by doubletap? hitting the touchscreen on some app? | 06:51 |
| pupnik | double tapping vest/device | 06:51 |
| villager | on the touchscreen? | 06:51 |
| pupnik | no, accelerometer | 06:51 |
| pupnik | initiate recording without taking device out of pocket | 06:52 |
| villager | the accelerometer kernel driver doesn't support interrupts from the device, so it would have to be constantly polling to catch something like that | 06:52 |
| pupnik | xorAxAx seemed to think differently | 06:53 |
| villager | would keep the cpu running | 06:53 |
| * mtd fixes scratchbox F12 mmap errors by putting stupidly high value in vm.mmap_min_addr ...nice. | 06:53 | |
| villager | is he going to fix the driver then? or how would he do something the driver won't let him do? | 06:54 |
| pupnik | it would certainly be preferable to generate an event/signal/interrupt without cpu polling | 06:54 |
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| villager | hmm, checking the driver source for the newest kernel, it seems to enable interrupts for something actually | 07:00 |
| Guest8472 | are you all talking in private here? | 07:00 |
| luke-jr | Guest8472: yes; so are you: we can't see your question\ | 07:01 |
| jebba | ah cool. With my debian etch repository, maemo now has over 10,000 "apps" ;) | 07:01 |
| crashanddie | Guest8472: this is a public channel, and everything is logged on a public server | 07:02 |
| dracflamloc_ | jebba, thats impressive ;) | 07:02 |
| Guest8472 | whatever | 07:02 |
| Guest8472 | i just ask in general | 07:02 |
| villager | X and Y axis gets interrupts enabled, but not Z | 07:02 |
| crashanddie | Guest8472: I don't understand the question, even though I'm a very advanced artificial intelligence | 07:03 |
| villager | I`m more advanceder than thou | 07:04 |
| Pavel | jebba: Via debian chroot? | 07:04 |
| crashanddie | is that a challenge, peon? | 07:04 |
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| ShadowJK | urgh | 07:05 |
| ShadowJK | my n900 ate 40 percent battery in 1.5 hours | 07:05 |
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| ShadowJK | I hope ifconfig wlan0 down fixed it | 07:05 |
| dracflamloc_ | jebba, so what kind of programs will run on the n900, any that support its small screen resolution? | 07:06 |
| crashanddie | dracflamloc_: 800x480 | 07:06 |
| crashanddie | dracflamloc_: but that really has nothing to do with it | 07:06 |
| dracflamloc_ | right, i mean small relative to full displays | 07:06 |
| luke-jr | dracflamloc_: small? N900 has better than VGA! | 07:06 |
| crashanddie | dracflamloc_: most applications are able to automatically resize, however content disposition might not be ideal | 07:06 |
| dracflamloc_ | haha | 07:07 |
| dracflamloc_ | sorry i wasnt insulting the n900's res ;) | 07:07 |
| crashanddie | dracflamloc_: try to imagine having a screen laid out on a business card, that's pretty much the ratio | 07:07 |
| crashanddie | well, bigger than a business card, but I just mean the format | 07:07 |
| dracflamloc_ | i was just referring to games that are meant for 800x600, for example | 07:07 |
| luke-jr | eh | 07:07 |
| luke-jr | aren't business cards usually 300 DPI? | 07:07 |
| crashanddie | ... | 07:07 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: stop trolling, or take my foot up your arse | 07:08 |
| dracflamloc_ | lol | 07:08 |
| luke-jr | ... | 07:08 |
| crashanddie | dracflamloc_: as I said, most games/apps are able to resize towards a proper resolution | 07:08 |
| pupnik | regular PC/linux apps often assume more than 800x480, so the question translates to "yes, although you can run a bunch of gtk/qt apps almost unmodified, their layout will be broken" | 07:08 |
| pupnik | @ dracflamloc_ | 07:08 |
| dracflamloc_ | specifically that debian archive grabbed my attention since it contains battle for wesnoth, which is a pretty welldone tbs | 07:08 |
| crashanddie | dracflamloc_: it's the same as with Quake 3, it runs fine on the N900, you just need to configure it to render things at 800x480 | 07:09 |
| jebba | Pavel: done with sbdmock/maemo SDK which does it in chroots. | 07:09 |
| dracflamloc_ | and would play very well on a n900 like device | 07:09 |
| pupnik | i found all the FPS games to be not-very-fun on the small screen | 07:09 |
| crashanddie | dracflamloc_: same as when you connect a widescreen to a computer, you need to tell the game to render in widescreen mode | 07:09 |
| crashanddie | pupnik: you suck with a keyboard and mouse, and you were expecting to enjoy yourself with the touchscreen ;) | 07:10 |
| jebba | dracflamloc_: well, the screen isn't *that* small. I got gqview working happily, for example (though it definitely could use tweaks). Tons of libraries for more GUI apps to build upon. And of course a few thousand debian command line utilities.... | 07:10 |
| dracflamloc_ | right, and wesnoth (i just read) has a small gui flag that can be used | 07:10 |
| pupnik | crashanddie: well, no. but i was trying to compare using PC as a baseline | 07:10 |
| crashanddie | dracflamloc_: and the N900 has a small stylus that can be used too! Double win! | 07:11 |
| dracflamloc_ | yea one of the main reasons i just ordered a n900 is the res (and linux of course) | 07:11 |
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| crashanddie | <intentionally thick> | 07:11 |
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| pupnik | i like the stylus :/ | 07:11 |
| crashanddie | So people have been working on getting the N900 to work as a router, right? | 07:13 |
| Pavel | Anything that uses textmode graphics (e.g. based on the curses library) will work perfectly well. | 07:13 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: most people call it tethering | 07:13 |
| jebba | crashanddie: I got NAT going, fwiw. | 07:13 |
| crashanddie | I was thinking, how bad would it be if I wrote and packaged a wifipwn package? | 07:13 |
| pupnik | Pavel: sadly not even :) see tome/angband discussions | 07:14 |
| crashanddie | you know, the attack where the N900 shows a page, pretending to be a secure access point requesting either T-Mobile/hotspot credentials or credit card information? | 07:14 |
| luke-jr | O.O | 07:14 |
| luke-jr | that one never even crossed my mind >_< | 07:15 |
| pupnik | hey, if you provide the service... :) | 07:15 |
| Pavel | pupnik: What happens? | 07:15 |
| Pavel | crashanddie: Is that one N900-specific? | 07:15 |
| pupnik | it's just getting the large font size to work. we lose one row to the scrollbar, which isn't disable-able yet | 07:16 |
| crashanddie | Pavel: not really | 07:16 |
| crashanddie | Pavel: just that as you have the 3g network providing internet once the user is logged in, you can setup the attack where there is NO wifi, except yours... | 07:16 |
| cehteh | well with everyone gets mobile internet access wlan hotspots are a dying breed soon | 07:17 |
| crashanddie | now, if the N900 supported monitor mode, you could even have it vibrate whenever it saw nodes looking for wifi... | 07:17 |
| villager | crashanddie: does that require N900 to actually be able to run as an AP? | 07:17 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: you don't need wifi to do that attack... | 07:17 |
| luke-jr | err, don't need internet | 07:18 |
| Pavel | crashanddie: Oh, nevermind --- I missed your earlier line. The N900 is the "attacker" here... | 07:18 |
| cehteh | how does joikuspot work if the device is not capable of playing AP? | 07:18 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: cell internet will never replace wifi | 07:18 |
| crashanddie | villager: pretty much yeah, people don't usually connect to point-to-point wifi networks for hotspot | 07:18 |
| villager | I thought the wifi chip in the n900 couldn't do host mode | 07:18 |
| villager | cehteh: it uses adhoc | 07:18 |
| cehteh | so it brings only one device to the internet | 07:18 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: actually, you do if you don't want people start looking around and call their CC company on the spot | 07:19 |
| cehteh | i had hope for somehow magically emulating an ap :( | 07:19 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: throw up a "Sorry, technical difficulties" page? :p | 07:19 |
| crashanddie | cehteh: still my hope as well | 07:19 |
| Pavel | This is odd... I installed the extra codecs package, and the built-in player can see ogg files, but not flac files. | 07:20 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: well, if you do it right, you can at the same time do some man-in-the-middle attacks and fish some passwords as well | 07:20 |
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| luke-jr | crashanddie: especially if you're a Chinese government official ;) | 07:20 |
| dracflamloc_ | hey is there any reasonable chance of the gnustep libraries working on maemo? | 07:21 |
| villager | I ran joikuspot on my n95 and it could only do adhoc mode, not ap mode | 07:21 |
| villager | probably same on n900 | 07:21 |
| crashanddie | dracflamloc_: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/gnustep/ | 07:22 |
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| crashanddie | villager: there is a thread on TMO to have the N900 act as an AP | 07:22 |
| dracflamloc_ | hm | 07:23 |
| villager | crashanddie: does it contain people with a clue? | 07:23 |
| dracflamloc_ | not active sadly =( | 07:23 |
| luke-jr | lol | 07:23 |
| dracflamloc_ | i've got some iphone games i'd like to port to maemo and release open source, gnustep would be a major timesaver | 07:23 |
| crashanddie | villager: there's someone who's replaced kernel modules to support iptables and stuff, so I guess the answer is "yes" | 07:23 |
| villager | crashanddie: that sounds like the nat part, not the ap-mode part | 07:24 |
| greenfly | crashanddie: even in that case it's still ad-hoc though, right? | 07:24 |
| crashanddie | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=504743&highlight=hotspot#post504743 | 07:24 |
| crashanddie | just read it | 07:25 |
| crashanddie | and make up your own minds, I'm a mod, I don't have time to read posts... I just delete and move them | 07:25 |
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| luke-jr | crashanddie: you delete/move posts w/o reading them? :) | 07:25 |
| crashanddie | all the time | 07:25 |
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| crashanddie | I get a report, scan for the keyword (delete, spam, move to) and act upon it | 07:26 |
| pupnik | it is so good i am not a mod | 07:28 |
| crashanddie | worse yet, because I'm in Australia, I've been promoted to IRC op as well! | 07:28 |
| crashanddie | I should just +b *@* and be done with it | 07:29 |
| pupnik | instead of deleting, i'd pre-date posts to keep stupid topics off the front | 07:29 |
| crashanddie | we don't delete | 07:29 |
| crashanddie | we remove harsh words when there's insults | 07:29 |
| crashanddie | deleting is very rare | 07:29 |
| villager | crashanddie: the source code for that hotspot program they're talking about enables ad-hoc mode | 07:29 |
| crashanddie | villager: then we need someone to charlie the wireless driver and provide support for master mode then | 07:30 |
| crashanddie | that or monitor | 07:31 |
| pupnik | my n900 just made a new sound. and now the blue LED is flashing twice | 07:32 |
| pupnik | what is that? | 07:32 |
| cehteh | incoming notice | 07:32 |
| crashanddie | it thinks it's an n810? | 07:32 |
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| pupnik | ahh there it is, ty | 07:32 |
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| pupnik | it was lying directly behind me and it sounded like the sound came from my keyboard | 07:34 |
| crashanddie | btw, I've broken the screen of my N900 | 07:36 |
| crashanddie | I've got a big nic on the left hand side, right slap bang in the middle | 07:36 |
| crashanddie | it's just the first layer, but well, doesn't look very tidy | 07:36 |
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| pupnik | bwahaha i can't take it . the financials are killing me :) | 07:47 |
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| dracflamloc | so, whats the first thing i should do wheni get my new phone? | 07:50 |
| luke-jr | ship it to me | 07:51 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 07:51 |
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| dracflamloc | bwahahah | 07:51 |
| dracflamloc | you can have the box =) | 07:51 |
| luke-jr | sweet, I'll sell it on ebay | 07:51 |
| dracflamloc | haha | 07:52 |
| dracflamloc | so YOU'RE the one | 07:52 |
| luke-jr | BRAND NEW NOKIA N900 ................. box | 07:52 |
| luke-jr | j/k ;) | 07:52 |
| dracflamloc | uh huh... | 07:52 |
| dracflamloc | i like that the sdk is offered in a VM image | 07:52 |
| dracflamloc | handy for work | 07:52 |
| crashanddie | lol timeless_mbp, I just stumbled on one of your patches in firefox | 07:53 |
| dracflamloc | since i cant actually install linux ther | 07:53 |
| crashanddie | dracflamloc: you could install a VM? | 07:53 |
| dracflamloc | well | 07:53 |
| dracflamloc | technically i *could* install linux there | 07:53 |
| dracflamloc | however i wouldnt be able to do what i need to do since we're a windoze software shop | 07:54 |
| luke-jr | why not? | 07:54 |
| dracflamloc | i also have access to a vmware esx server so i can make whatever VMs i need | 07:54 |
| Pavel | dracflamloc: Implement a password storage app leveraging the (included in the distribution) gnupg's public key encryption capabilities to allow the user to a) create and encrypt new records without unlocking the keyring and b) allow secure and granular synchronization with other installations via SyncML or IMAP, even if the server is not completely trusted. | 07:54 |
| luke-jr | myth of the day: you need Windows to do Windows development | 07:54 |
| dracflamloc | i dont believe that myth | 07:54 |
| dracflamloc | however | 07:54 |
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| dracflamloc | explaining things to my team is made more difficult | 07:55 |
| Pavel | dracflamloc: Because I want someone to do that, so that I wouldn't have to. | 07:55 |
| mtd | gah git-core isn't optified | 07:55 |
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| crashanddie | There's two kind of people in the world: those who have money problems, and those who have tax problems. | 07:57 |
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| dracflamloc | and ugly people | 07:57 |
| crashanddie | Hence, we can extrapolate that there are rich people | 07:57 |
| crashanddie | and people who are too scared to spend money | 07:58 |
| dracflamloc | well that was rather random | 07:58 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: don't those groups overlap to a degree? | 07:58 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: hardly | 07:58 |
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| luke-jr | being scared to spend money leads to being rich... | 07:58 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: if you're scared to spend money, it doesn't matter how rich you are, you'll always be poor | 07:59 |
| crashanddie | (yes, one of those words is metaphoric) | 07:59 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: there are two definitions for rich, neither of which fit with that :P | 07:59 |
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| dracflamloc | crap | 08:00 |
| dracflamloc | well | 08:00 |
| dracflamloc | i just bought this phone so.... guess im not rich! | 08:00 |
| luke-jr | um | 08:00 |
| luke-jr | yay for poor logic? | 08:00 |
| dracflamloc | indeed | 08:01 |
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| * mtd just made an optified git .deb that actually worked on his n900. sweet, time for bed now. | 08:03 | |
| jebba | nice mtd :) | 08:03 |
| mtd | jebba: thanks :) | 08:03 |
| pupnik | enjoy your jet-lag friday mtd | 08:06 |
| ds3 | any break through on the USB host front? | 08:08 |
| crashanddie | not really | 08:09 |
| pupnik | i have heard that there can be none | 08:09 |
| pupnik | true? | 08:09 |
| RST38h | it is an unsubstantiated rumor | 08:10 |
| pupnik | morning RST38h | 08:10 |
| RST38h | there is a couple of people who firmly BELIEVE it can be done, and one of them does not even have an N900 | 08:10 |
| RST38h | moorning pupnik | 08:10 |
| luke-jr | LOL | 08:10 |
| cehteh | RST38h: it *surely* can be done .. just matter of efforts | 08:11 |
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| luke-jr | might need to open it up ;) | 08:11 |
| pupnik | so there is identical hardware with working host-mode cehteh ? what is it called? | 08:12 |
| cehteh | maybe not with the buildin usb chip or pcb ... but well | 08:12 |
| pupnik | fssh | 08:12 |
| cehteh | :) | 08:12 |
| `0660_ | :) | 08:12 |
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| ds3 | the last Iheard it is a PHY issue since the 4030 is not used for that | 08:18 |
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| crashanddie | iHeard? | 08:18 |
| crashanddie | New rumors about Apple? | 08:19 |
| ds3 | s/Iheard/I heard/ | 08:19 |
| infobot | ds3 meant: the last I heard it is a PHY issue since the 4030 is not used for that | 08:19 |
| crashanddie | iHurd, GNU for Apple | 08:19 |
| ds3 | not iHerd or its variants :P | 08:19 |
| cehteh | 4030 ... | 08:19 |
| crashanddie | bug #4030 | 08:19 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4030 ai_nc_remove_repository should not talk about "package list" as nothing else does | 08:19 |
| cehteh | is it even confirmed which usb phy is used exactly? | 08:19 |
| ds3 | it is only as confirmed as someone's wiki entry | 08:20 |
| ds3 | lost of host mode is another strike against upgarding from an N800 (lost of the 2 full size SD slots, microUSB connectors, and yet a different charger connection are the others) | 08:20 |
| ds3 | I just want something with all the features of the N800 but with a faster proc... is that too much to ask? :/ | 08:21 |
| cehteh | microusb charging is industry standard by now (manndated in europe irrc) | 08:22 |
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| cehteh | http://www.mobilewhack.com/micro-usb-charging-standard-coming-to-europe/ | 08:23 |
| luke-jr | ds3: Pandora? | 08:23 |
| ds3 | luke-jr: big... that is approaching what I can build | 08:24 |
| crashanddie | cehteh: not mandated, but heavily recommended. Basically, the threat is: use uUSB for charging or we'll spend 6 months longer testing your device before giving ECC approval | 08:24 |
| luke-jr | uh, no? :x | 08:24 |
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| crashanddie | cehteh: however, vendors can get around it by not calling the device "mobile" | 08:24 |
| cehteh | crashanddie: as far i know there where at least discussions to mandate it .. which prolly led the manufacturers to prempt that and voluntary agree on it | 08:25 |
| crashanddie | pretty much yeah | 08:25 |
| crashanddie | I'm actually thinking about wiring my house with USB plugs next to the power sockets | 08:25 |
| ds3 | it is a bad idea | 08:26 |
| crashanddie | and just have 5V everywhere | 08:26 |
| cehteh | anyways i think having one common charger standard is a good choice, i dont care if its micro or mini usb or usb at all | 08:26 |
| pupnik | i see the pandora as the n800 successor in many ways | 08:26 |
| cehteh | while uusb isnt a that bad choice | 08:26 |
| luke-jr | isn't USB awful slow for charging? | 08:26 |
| dmj726 | depends | 08:26 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: not at all | 08:26 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: my blackberry charges in roughly 1h30 | 08:26 |
| dmj726 | computer usb seems slower than wall charger usb | 08:26 |
| cehteh | luke-jr: charging can operate on other currents than normal usb | 08:26 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: however, that's power-socket-usb | 08:26 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: that's not very fast | 08:27 |
| dmj726 | n900 gets a full charge in <45 minutes using the wall charger | 08:27 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: it is | 08:27 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: for a 3 day full on 3g experience? I'm not too discontent with that | 08:27 |
| luke-jr | dunno, I like my 15 minute 4xAA charger <.< | 08:27 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: different batteries | 08:27 |
| cehteh | data connection provides 100mA (or was it 75mA) if not acknowledged with the host, but can acknowledge up to 500mA | 08:27 |
| RST38h | [stupidly] What is "3G experience"? | 08:27 |
| crashanddie | cehteh: 100 | 08:27 |
| dmj726 | I haven't actually checked to see how much less than 45 minutes though | 08:28 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: 3g connected the whole | 08:28 |
| crashanddie | time | 08:28 |
| cehteh | but dedicated chargers short the data pins, the mobile detects that and then cann pull as much power it likes | 08:28 |
| ds3 | for one thing I do not need the keyboard on the pandora | 08:28 |
| cehteh | (or as much until voltage drops) | 08:28 |
| dmj726 | n900 dies after 8 hours of video recording and web use though. | 08:28 |
| * luke-jr will never understand a keyboardless computer | 08:28 | |
| dmj726 | me neither: ipadd vs netbook is not a fair fight. | 08:29 |
| crashanddie | dmj726: experiences differ | 08:29 |
| ds3 | yes, the ipad is disqualified before it even starts | 08:29 |
| * crashanddie reminds everyone of the n800 | 08:30 | |
| ds3 | too much useless crap in the ipad | 08:30 |
| * luke-jr reminds himself why he would never have ever considered buying a N800 :p | 08:30 | |
| dmj726 | A friend of mine has an n800 | 08:30 |
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| dmj726 | she still uses it all the time. | 08:30 |
| ds3 | I love the N800... 2 slots, no keyboards to waste space | 08:30 |
| ds3 | it is a daily carry machine. if i wanted a keyboard, I could haev gone with a Z | 08:30 |
| dmj726 | n900 with usb host and 2 sd slots would be awesome. | 08:31 |
| luke-jr | ds3: waste? seriously, how do you use a computer without a kb? | 08:31 |
| luke-jr | ds3: Z didn't have as much RAM | 08:31 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: unless you want to input data, a keyboard is useless | 08:31 |
| ds3 | luke-jr: I been using it for the last 2 years on a daily basis... it is so natural | 08:31 |
| * dmj726 takes notes | 08:31 | |
| ds3 | for the few cases I need a KB, the OSK is sufficient | 08:31 |
| luke-jr | ds3: for what, though? | 08:31 |
| crashanddie | wikipedia, youtube, read mail, read news | 08:32 |
| crashanddie | which is 99% of what people do on a computer anyway | 08:32 |
| luke-jr | O.o | 08:32 |
| crashanddie | and porn | 08:32 |
| ds3 | luke-jr: email, mapping, media, doccument reading, web browsing and anything else I'd use a laptop for | 08:32 |
| dmj726 | To be honest, I mostly use my netbook when I need to type a lot. | 08:32 |
| cehteh | 2 SD slots and no internal emmc .. would be fine, dual sim too | 08:32 |
| dmj726 | ...more than a few hundred words | 08:32 |
| * luke-jr uses a keyboard for everything except watching video | 08:32 | |
| Remosi | hmm | 08:33 |
| * crashanddie reminds luke-jr that he isn't everyone | 08:33 | |
| ds3 | I am very disappointed in the netbooks... worse peice of crap ever | 08:33 |
| dmj726 | I really do prefer the hardware keyboard though | 08:33 |
| * RST38h finds N900 unlocked for the third morning in the row | 08:33 | |
| RST38h | What the hell is going on? Has 51.1 started to unlock itself??? | 08:33 |
| cehteh | NSA logged in | 08:33 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: I've been seeing the wifi screen popup seemingly at random lately | 08:33 |
| dmj726 | It frees up the screen | 08:33 |
| dmj726 | very handy for irc | 08:33 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: also, it would appear the hinge that detects the keyboard open/closed is pretty flimsy | 08:34 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: check your dmesg to see if it detects it as open or closed | 08:34 |
| * luke-jr LOL at the latest Pandora fiasco | 08:34 | |
| ds3 | a keyboard could be nice for IRC but if you have enough IRC traffic to warrent it, you can probally warrant getting a bluetooth keyboard | 08:34 |
| dmj726 | #maemo is busy enough | 08:35 |
| ds3 | most of the Pandora stuff can be built pretty easily | 08:35 |
| dmj726 | basically, reading the incoming traffic while you're typing can be important | 08:35 |
| ds3 | right... but for that a BT keyboard solves it nicely | 08:35 |
| pupnik | ds3 where is the source? | 08:35 |
| dmj726 | true | 08:35 |
| crashanddie | a lot of people have been using the n800 to use IRC frequently | 08:35 |
| luke-jr | ds3: then why isn't everyone of those 4000 people building their own pandora-clone from scratch? | 08:35 |
| ds3 | pupnik: source? | 08:35 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: is one of those madmen | 08:35 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: thanks, checking | 08:35 |
| pupnik | for "pandora stuff" | 08:36 |
| ds3 | luke-jr: I have my own version | 08:36 |
| luke-jr | ds3: you built a pandora-like device? | 08:36 |
| ds3 | pupnik: sorry... I meant pandora itself | 08:36 |
| ds3 | luke-jr: yeah, sans keyboard | 08:36 |
| luke-jr | ... | 08:36 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: dmesg | grep "GPIO 71" | 08:36 |
| luke-jr | ds3: so you hand soldered the PCB or what? | 08:36 |
| ds3 | luke-jr: yes | 08:37 |
| ds3 | working on a newer rev with a better LCD | 08:37 |
| ds3 | (transreflective + higher rez) | 08:37 |
| luke-jr | pics or it doesn't exist | 08:38 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 08:38 |
| RST38h | crash: just a flood of wlan messages (got low signal) | 08:39 |
| ds3 | luke-jr: http://www.hy-research.com/beagle_mid.html | 08:39 |
| ds3 | next question :D | 08:39 |
| luke-jr | beagle? that's not hand-soldering | 08:39 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: so when you use the command above, and open/close it once, you just get two messages added to the list? | 08:39 |
| ds3 | uh... | 08:39 |
| ds3 | it is not just a beagle | 08:39 |
| ds3 | there is a display board + expansion board | 08:40 |
| luke-jr | does that thing actually fit in your pocket? | 08:40 |
| ds3 | in any case, given the size of the pandora... it isn't that interesting... | 08:40 |
| ds3 | not quite... hence the desire for something more like the N800 | 08:40 |
| ds3 | I can thin it out but I haven't had time to respin the case | 08:41 |
| pupnik | still cool | 08:42 |
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| ds3 | the LCD really needs to be upgraded... even the GVM stuff looks funny on it | 08:42 |
| dmj726 | I'd be interested in a nice stylus friendly 9-10" sunlight readable device running a debian derivative. | 08:42 |
| ds3 | dmj726: why 9-10"? | 08:43 |
| dmj726 | nice size to hold, take notes on, and view documents | 08:43 |
| ds3 | have you actually used one? | 08:44 |
| crashanddie | and as the kindle and apple have demonstrated, adding a keyboard to a 9" device is seriously hard to do right | 08:44 |
| dmj726 | I don't think that exists. | 08:44 |
| luke-jr | dmj726: next step: is there a Beagle-like board for QSD8672? | 08:44 |
| dmj726 | I could get close if I made my netbook a touchscreen. | 08:44 |
| ds3 | there are plenty of 9-10" devices... just lack the sunlight readable part | 08:44 |
| dmj726 | QSD8672? | 08:44 |
| ds3 | i.e. the TC1000 from Compaq of years past | 08:45 |
| luke-jr | dmj726: dual-core 1.5 GHz Snapdragon SoC | 08:45 |
| dmj726 | something like a hybrid epaper/lcd screen | 08:45 |
| ds3 | luke-jr: I don't believe the mfg of that chip will approve | 08:45 |
| dmj726 | Given a big enough battery, an atom chip even could suffice. | 08:46 |
| luke-jr | boo x86 | 08:46 |
| pupnik | congrats to ds3 for doing what so many people BSed about | 08:46 |
| ds3 | btw, parts for that are available for sale :D | 08:46 |
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| ds3 | dmj726: you should try using a device that size and see if it meets your expectations (it didn't for me) | 08:47 |
| crashanddie | I love my company's products | 08:47 |
| dmj726 | I have a netbook. | 08:47 |
| crashanddie | "FATAL ERROR: Operation completed successfully. Cannot continue, please review logs for more information" | 08:47 |
| dmj726 | Are you thinking bigger or smaller? | 08:47 |
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| ds3 | dmj726: in tablet form factor? | 08:48 |
| dmj726 | yeah | 08:48 |
| ds3 | Oh... and you find it useable in that size? | 08:48 |
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| dmj726 | I do. I've probably not typed more than one or two hundred thousand words on it though. | 08:48 |
| ds3 | interesting... | 08:49 |
| dmj726 | My n900 and it complement each other nicely. | 08:49 |
| ds3 | dmj726: (no offense intended) are you a large person? | 08:49 |
| dmj726 | No | 08:49 |
| ds3 | I see... my experience has been the opposite | 08:49 |
| dmj726 | And I don't have fat fingers, so I find the netbook keyboard nice. | 08:50 |
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| dmj726 | Basically the netbook takes care of my ubuntu/x86/keyboard needs, and the n900 fills the phone/camera/media needs. | 08:50 |
| ds3 | guess maybe the market is more suited to smaller quantities with more variations then the 1size fit all high volume path | 08:51 |
| dmj726 | I do have a desktop for performance apps. | 08:51 |
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| * RST38h does not get why people need netbooks | 08:51 | |
| dmj726 | Yeah, my 3 device strategy is desktop/netbook/smartphone. | 08:51 |
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| dmj726 | Laptop users don't need netbooks | 08:52 |
| ds3 | RST38h: elaborate more on that? | 08:52 |
| RST38h | laptop users need neither netbooks nor desktops | 08:52 |
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| dmj726 | unless they're gamers | 08:52 |
| RST38h | and there are laptops that are the same size or smaller than netbooks | 08:52 |
| dmj726 | or heavy storage users | 08:53 |
| crashanddie | <header MessageVersion="1.1.0" Type="ERROR" ...><body><error ErrorDescription="Process ended successfully." ErrorNumber="N/A" /></body> <-- and yes, that's a product that is going to power one of the government's critical systems | 08:53 |
| dmj726 | I'd argue the smaller point | 08:53 |
| RST38h | Storage should reside in a box somewhere in a drawer | 08:53 |
| dottedmag | dmj726: those'd buy a NAS | 08:53 |
| Corsac | http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/android-kernel-problems.html | 08:53 |
| ds3 | Oh... so your complaints is not about the size/formfactor | 08:53 |
| ds3 | I see netbooks as a cost reduced UMPC | 08:53 |
| * RST38h sees netbooks as dirt cheap underpowered laptops | 08:53 | |
| crashanddie | Uniform Medium-sized Piece of Crap? | 08:54 |
| ds3 | heheh | 08:54 |
| * RST38h does not see why he would need two laptops, or laptop and desktop | 08:54 | |
| crashanddie | again, usages differ | 08:54 |
| dmj726 | I see them as handy, portable *real* computers that don't cost a lot. | 08:54 |
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| * crashanddie reminds everyone for the umptieth time that nobody is the exact copy of another person | 08:54 | |
| ds3 | except netbooks are so poorly built | 08:54 |
| minike | Hi everyone I would like to request assistance from your webpage országotokba we find the views and give more to others as well as likely that I will be banned from getting a link in röktön http://gollszexcom.atw.hu/ | 08:54 |
| dmj726 | Mine seems pretty robust. | 08:54 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: the netbook thing cannot be explained this way | 08:55 |
| dmj726 | I'm also very happy it has a matte screen. | 08:55 |
| RST38h | 'cause they are laptops, no matter what kind of perosn are you, a laptop will do the job of a netbook | 08:55 |
| ds3 | this Asus eeePC I am on has a flakey power connector, completely broken touch pad, loose USB connections... and that's just the beginning... unit is about a year old | 08:55 |
| RST38h | not the vice versa though | 08:55 |
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| dmj726 | I nearly got an uberlaptop, then realized a netbook met my needs better. | 08:55 |
| RST38h | No need to get an uberlaptop | 08:56 |
| dmj726 | for a third the price, I would have something I wouldn't be tempted to leave behind. | 08:56 |
| ds3 | a machine that crumbles before you is not a good machine | 08:56 |
| RST38h | There are <1.3kg laptops that are <0.8" thick and still do the job | 08:56 |
| dmj726 | I know, but I can't afford those. | 08:56 |
| RST38h | You probably can | 08:56 |
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| * RST38h bought his R100 for $850 | 08:56 | |
| ds3 | what's the R100? | 08:57 |
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| dmj726 | yeah, that's 2x the cost of my netbook | 08:57 |
| RST38h | Actually, R500 | 08:57 |
| RST38h | R100 was the previous one | 08:57 |
| ds3 | what's the R500? | 08:57 |
| RST38h | dmj: Yes, but you also have a desktop right? ;) | 08:57 |
| dmj726 | yes | 08:57 |
| RST38h | ds3: google for Toshiba Portege | 08:57 |
| RST38h | dmj: Add up. | 08:57 |
| cehteh | i heard mixed critics about it, was considering it for myself but found it way to expensive | 08:58 |
| RST38h | cehteh: Well worth the money, unless you intend to go for the top model | 08:58 |
| dmj726 | How about a laptop with Nvidia 8800 graphics, core 2 duo, ~2TB disk space, 4 hours of battery, and weighs under 5 lbs. | 08:59 |
| luke-jr | nVidia FTL | 08:59 |
| cehteh | its display should be awesome | 08:59 |
| RST38h | cehteh: CDROM and SSD are not worth it | 08:59 |
| RST38h | cehteh: The R500 display actually sucks. A lot. | 08:59 |
| dmj726 | oh and 1920x1200 display | 08:59 |
| cehteh | heh for me i would really like a ssd ... the hd is a bottleneck here | 08:59 |
| ds3 | looks big | 08:59 |
| RST38h | cehteh: But the rest is pretty perfect | 08:59 |
| ds3 | wish toshiba would revive that VHS sized Pentium machine they used to make | 08:59 |
| cehteh | RST38h: maybe i am happy with my hp 2510p then | 08:59 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: HD are faster than SSD in my experience :p | 09:00 |
| dmj726 | unfortunately laptops can't really game or edit video well | 09:00 |
| dmj726 | ssd is mostly the random access | 09:00 |
| cehteh | luke-jr: depends on what ssd you use and what usage pattern you have | 09:00 |
| dmj726 | true | 09:00 |
| RST38h | cehteh: Yea, that should probably do as well | 09:00 |
| cehteh | here i have a ultra slow 1.8" hdd .. | 09:00 |
| cehteh | and the hdd is the bottleneck for sure | 09:01 |
| ds3 | or an improved IBM PC110 | 09:01 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: I'm sure. my SSD are all SD cards :) | 09:01 |
| * RST38h isn't particularly sold on SSDs | 09:01 | |
| cehteh | ext4 gave and noticeable boost and 4GB ram improved it much more too but still | 09:01 |
| cehteh | luke-jr: haha | 09:01 |
| dmj726 | Basically, I have a limited budget, and laptops don't let you slowly upgrade bits over time, which means buying entire devices again, rather than getting a new cpu. | 09:01 |
| RST38h | dmj: You buy it once every 3 years. | 09:02 |
| dmj726 | Netbook lets me cheaply fill that gap. | 09:02 |
| cehteh | luke-jr: i am considering a 100MB/sec ssd .. my hd gives barely 12-18mb plus high latency | 09:02 |
| dmj726 | I've not bought a full new desktop at once for a decade. | 09:02 |
| * RST38h does not see how netbook is an "upgrade" over laptop though :) | 09:02 | |
| dmj726 | *price* | 09:02 |
| dmj726 | especially at the size | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: IIRC, my SATA HD does about 150 MB/sec | 09:02 |
| ds3 | ah yes, the libretto is the name | 09:02 |
| RST38h | and that is supposed to equate to a hardware upgrade? | 09:02 |
| cehteh | dmj726: here too, but if a ssd will improve my laptops performance considerably then i dont need a new laptop soon so thats actually saving money | 09:03 |
| dmj726 | means more money for the desktop | 09:03 |
| cehteh | luke-jr: what hdd is that? | 09:03 |
| dmj726 | for years, GPU and CPU upgrades were important to me. | 09:03 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: I forget; Samsung something? | 09:03 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: it was cheap :P | 09:03 |
| cehteh | luke-jr: i am speaking of real filesystem performance not sequential writes | 09:03 |
| luke-jr | oh | 09:04 |
| cehteh | no consumer/cheap hdd reaches 150mb/sec | 09:04 |
| cehteh | you need a 15k rpm server disk for that at least | 09:04 |
| ds3 | hdds are just aren't robust enough | 09:05 |
| dmj726 | So desktop has made a lot of sense. There's no way, I could've bought a new gaming laptop every 2 years. | 09:05 |
| cehteh | laptop drives are quite robust | 09:05 |
| ds3 | some of us are harder on machines then others | 09:05 |
| dmj726 | I am rather taxing on my netbook though. | 09:05 |
| crashanddie | 15k RPM is consumer grade | 09:06 |
| crashanddie | lol | 09:06 |
| dmj726 | I could never use a netbook with windows. | 09:06 |
| cehteh | well this 1.8" hdd is crappy slow but these are relative rugged and its mounted with some rubber foam | 09:06 |
| dmj726 | crashandie: no it isn't | 09:06 |
| ds3 | a netbook (had the build quality beenbetter) would have been idea for true mobile use where it may get tossed around | 09:06 |
| cehteh | of course i dont want to bang my laptop aganist the wall while the hdd operates | 09:06 |
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| ds3 | that isn't an issue with SSD... just don't crack the LCD and.... :D | 09:07 |
| crashanddie | ds3: wasn't one of the features of the eeepc that you could drop it and it would keep playing video? | 09:07 |
| dmj726 | Mine has taken several falls, and not suffered any significant damage | 09:07 |
| dmj726 | Yes, it does | 09:07 |
| cehteh | i just wait for it to die and then replace it with a ssd .. the longer it takes that it dies the cheaper ssds will be :P | 09:07 |
| ds3 | crashanddie: probally... except you couldn't stop it cuz the @#$@#%@#@# touchpad would die on you | 09:07 |
| dmj726 | I'm not sure about most netbooks, but the eee pc 900 has been quite robust. | 09:08 |
| ds3 | the 900A I have has not | 09:08 |
| cehteh | currently there was a price bump and 400+ Eur for 128GB ssd is way to expensive | 09:08 |
| ds3 | donno what they broke when they chucked the celery | 09:08 |
| dmj726 | The touchpad is usable as long as you don't try graphics. | 09:08 |
| ds3 | my touch pad is completely dead... started with the left mouse button 6months in | 09:09 |
| dmj726 | chucked the celery? | 09:09 |
| dmj726 | hmm... | 09:09 |
| ds3 | 900 used the celeron; 900A uses the atom | 09:09 |
| dmj726 | Mine's fine (18 months in) | 09:09 |
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| crashanddie | the only thing I'd use an eeepc for is as doormat | 09:09 |
| dmj726 | The only real beef I have with mine is the battery life is better with the atoms. | 09:10 |
| dmj726 | I use it for web browsing (usually <= 100 tabs), open office (20 large documents), a little video/music, etc. | 09:11 |
| dmj726 | that fills up most of the 1gb of ram. | 09:11 |
| ds3 | what browser? | 09:11 |
| dmj726 | firefox. | 09:11 |
| crashanddie | you guys are idiots | 09:11 |
| ds3 | how you manage to get near 100 tabs w/firefox? | 09:12 |
| crashanddie | quote "<100 tabs" lmao | 09:12 |
| dmj726 | It works fine. | 09:12 |
| ds3 | firefox is a PoS that gobbles memory like it is going out of style | 09:12 |
| crashanddie | a 1280 screen can reasonably show 12 tabs | 09:12 |
| crashanddie | after that you need to start cycling through them, which is a pain | 09:12 |
| dmj726 | Firefox is the most memory efficient of the main browsers | 09:12 |
| ds3 | yes so 10 browser windows, 10 tabs each | 09:12 |
| * crashanddie loves the smell of trolls in the evening | 09:13 | |
| dmj726 | ...windows and workspaces | 09:13 |
| ds3 | uh...err.... | 09:13 |
| crashanddie | your mind is able to track 7 activities at once | 09:13 |
| pupnik | the unfocused mind is lost and can not move | 09:13 |
| crashanddie | and you need a 100 tabs? | 09:13 |
| ds3 | crashanddie: i use the tabs more like a stack | 09:13 |
| dmj726 | yeah, they're to referrence a while later | 09:13 |
| crashanddie | learn to use bookmarks ffs | 09:13 |
| ds3 | I don'tso much track it as i use it to keep track of pending things | 09:13 |
| ds3 | bookmarks would be fine if these @;2Q#%$@#$%@$%#$@#$# imbiclic developers would write proper web pages | 09:14 |
| dmj726 | They're like reminders that don't warrent bookmarks, and might not be available properly later. | 09:14 |
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| LuciusMare | Hello, i used to have the choice in address bar, to search with google, but now, it had disappeared, what could cause it? | 09:15 |
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| dmj726 | My netbook can handle it too, which is impressive. | 09:15 |
| ds3 | crashanddie: the other thing is I have 20-30 xterms open too | 09:15 |
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| dmj726 | oh that too | 09:15 |
| ds3 | clearly we have different work habbits | 09:15 |
| red | 100 tabs = porn | 09:16 |
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| LuciusMare | hello? Happened to nobody? | 09:16 |
| ds3 | tabs are great for comparing things... i.e. search for PDAs on amazon and use a tab for each entry that is interesting | 09:17 |
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| dmj726 | yeah, or cuing articles from an agregator to read. | 09:19 |
| dmj726 | or tmo threads | 09:19 |
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| red | wtb facebook widget that lets you status update on desktop | 09:23 |
| red | and shows the notifications number | 09:23 |
| red | the current one is fancy but useless | 09:23 |
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| infobot | ~pong | 09:48 |
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| achipa | X-Fade: please take a look at the Diablo builder process, there has not been a single Diablo package build since early Monday and the queues appear empty. Sorry for the disturbance and thank you. | 10:17 |
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| aquatix | anyone knows whether Tear is still being developed? | 10:38 |
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| Corsac | re | 10:42 |
| aquatix | morning Corsac | 10:42 |
| Corsac | moin aquatix | 10:42 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:46 |
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| * alterego sighs, I miss having an N900. | 11:01 | |
| alterego | I hate this Series 60 phone :'( | 11:01 |
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| pupnik | i hate not having a clue about anything and trying to program | 11:02 |
| RST38h | reMoo | 11:02 |
| pupnik | i should bring my projector and play stupid games all day at fosdem | 11:03 |
| alterego | pupnik: That's a common feeling shared by all serious programmers :P | 11:03 |
| RST38h | Serious programmers do not program stuff they do not understand =) | 11:03 |
| pupnik | thing is, i have a good sense of what is doable | 11:04 |
| alterego | pupnik: anything in particular you're having problems with? | 11:04 |
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| pupnik | emulator sound straight to alsa hw on n900 | 11:06 |
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| pupnik | wiley vill get eet veerking! | 11:07 |
| pupnik | bbl | 11:07 |
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| red | I started programming an artificial intelligence | 11:10 |
| red | but hit a brickwall, any nice tutorial about it? ;) | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | use a human brain instead | 11:11 |
| RST38h | red: Hire more Chinese | 11:14 |
| RST38h | red: If you want it to pass the Turing test, hire Indians instead | 11:14 |
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| mikhas | red, there are good AI tutorials for LUA | 11:15 |
| mikhas | google might help | 11:15 |
| jebba | red: use this API: https://www.mturk.com/ | 11:15 |
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| RST38h | red: Another good idea is to employ random Internet users making them do distributed computation in exchange for letting them see porn | 11:17 |
| red | :D | 11:19 |
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| Veggen | RST38h: given the availability of porn, it might be cheaper. | 11:25 |
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| hrw | morning | 11:33 |
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| dneary | Hi | 11:34 |
| dneary | amigadave, Ping? | 11:34 |
| dneary | amigadave, Jarmo has some docs to release, he asked me how I would like to see "the community feedback" happen | 11:34 |
| Reaby | is there a guitar tuner for n900? | 11:35 |
| dneary | It's one of those questions that's hard to answer. | 11:35 |
| dneary | It's like the story of the American tourists lost in the middle of Connemara. | 11:35 |
| amigadave | dneary: community feedback on documentation from Jarmo? what sort of information is covered? | 11:35 |
| dneary | They see a man herding some sheep , and stop to ask directioons | 11:35 |
| dneary | "Excuse me, how can we get to Roundstone from here, please?" | 11:36 |
| dneary | The answer comes back: | 11:36 |
| Myrtti | dneary: bugs with proper tagging would make my work easier ;-) | 11:36 |
| dneary | "Well now, if I was going to Roundstone I wouldn't start from here at all" | 11:36 |
| amigadave | this reminds me, we need to talk about this crazy wiki<->latex mess | 11:36 |
| amigadave | heh | 11:36 |
| Myrtti | amigadave: oh don't get me started | 11:36 |
| Reaby | looks like there is. sorry. | 11:36 |
| dneary | Myrtti, Bugs with proper tagging? | 11:37 |
| dneary | Ah - you mean add tags to bugs in Bugzilla? | 11:37 |
| crashanddie | dneary: yeah, heard a variation of that nearly 20 years ago for the first time | 11:37 |
| dneary | crashanddie, I didn't say it was a new joke | 11:37 |
| crashanddie | dneary: neither did I imply you did | 11:37 |
| Myrtti | dneary: yes | 11:37 |
| crashanddie | dneary: defensive much? Bad night? | 11:37 |
| dneary | crashanddie, Me? Defensive? | 11:38 |
| dneary | crashanddie, I have another one... | 11:38 |
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| amigadave | dneary: so, silly question from Jarmo, but what sort of documentation is it? | 11:38 |
| dneary | amigadave, I CCed you an answer, you should have it | 11:38 |
| Myrtti | dneary: i'm trying to find the bugs of the documentation from the bugzilla and it's, pardon my annoyance, shit. | 11:39 |
| amigadave | ah, just going through mails now... | 11:39 |
| dneary | Maemo PC Connectivity Tutorial, Maemo Eclipse Tutorial, Maemo Flasher Tutorial and Maemo SDK Virtual Images Tutorial | 11:39 |
| dneary | Maemo For Symbian Developers Guide and Maemo Documentation Guidelines | 11:39 |
| amigadave | dneary: oh, that stuff, erk | 11:39 |
| dneary | Maemo Documentation Toolchain | 11:39 |
| dneary | Maemo Hildon UI Guidelines, Hildon UI Guide, Maemo Widget UI Guidelines and Maemo Hildon Widget UI Guide | 11:39 |
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| dneary | The last three will be early pre-releases of wikified docs from forum Nokia | 11:40 |
| dneary | the last 4, even | 11:40 |
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| dneary | All in all that'll be a few hundred pages of docs | 11:40 |
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| amigadave | so, lots of feedback then :P ha | 11:40 |
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| Stskeeps | why $~a and not just +C? :P | 11:49 |
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| crashanddie | because C blocks CTCPs? | 11:50 |
| slonopotamus | crashanddie, does that make smth useful? :) | 11:50 |
| crashanddie | slonopotamus: actually, I saw nGF950N8 joining a few times, thought there might be a bot attack | 11:51 |
| crashanddie | not really following, on the phone at the same time | 11:51 |
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| w00t | Stskeeps: ping | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: :barf: | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:57 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: oh dear, still ill? | 11:57 |
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| Stskeeps | nah, not for a while now | 11:57 |
| w00t | that's good | 11:57 |
| w00t | too busy preparing? or got a sec for /msg | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | go ahead | 11:57 |
| mtd | dneary: what's the other one? | 11:58 |
| hrw | someone uses syncevolution here? | 11:58 |
| dneary | mtd, Ah | 11:58 |
| Corsac | hrw: yes | 11:58 |
| Corsac | hrw: well, not on the device | 11:58 |
| dneary | I was wondering how long till someone asked :) | 11:58 |
| Corsac | on the host | 11:58 |
| dneary | A Belgian guy gets hired to paint the roads in the north of France | 11:59 |
| hrw | Corsac: I just used on n900. now 100 duplicates to merge ;( | 11:59 |
| dneary | The first day, he does amazing work - he paints 5km of road, twice as much as anyone else | 11:59 |
| Corsac | hrw: yeah, it might not be that stable yet | 12:00 |
| dneary | The second day, he only paints 2km - and the foreman is wondering who he slowed down so much | 12:00 |
| dneary | The third day, dégringolade, he doesn't even paint 300m! | 12:00 |
| Corsac | hrw: not sure which version you tried, but if it's reproducible (yeah, I know...) it might deserve a bug report | 12:00 |
| Corsac | hrw: btw, did you try to sync calendars/ | 12:00 |
| Corsac | ? | 12:00 |
| mtd | dneary: ah heard this one :) | 12:00 |
| crashanddie | dneary: would be funnier if you did it about the scot | 12:01 |
| hrw | Corsac: calendar plugin looks like needs to be rebuilt | 12:01 |
| Corsac | ok | 12:01 |
| mtd | dneary: but they say it's all in the delivery | 12:01 |
| crashanddie | dneary: and nobody would be so stupid as to leave the pot of paint at the same spot ;) | 12:01 |
| mtd | dneary: let's hear it | 12:01 |
| dneary | The foreman calls him back at the end of the day and says "what's the story? You reported 5km the first day, 2km the second day, and today you only painted 300m!" And the Belgian says "Yes sir - the pot of paint is getting further & further away!" | 12:01 |
| hrw | dneary: it is international joke - just nationality change or 'Belgian guy' became blondie | 12:01 |
| mtd | <cymbals> | 12:01 |
| dneary | hrw, Yeah - yesterday it was a Kerryman | 12:02 |
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| dneary | It's a nice story to explain why long-living applications (like web apps in JBoss) slow down dramatically over time | 12:02 |
| dneary | Some data structure grows during the lifetime, and keeps getting parsed to add any new items | 12:03 |
| mtd | dneary: yeah - stupidity of the craftsman responsible :) | 12:03 |
| crashanddie | dneary: poorly written webapps would only have that | 12:03 |
| RST38h | dneary: Anything written in Java can be explained in these terms =) | 12:03 |
| RST38h | Not the same with the other languages though | 12:03 |
| crashanddie | I'm going to start kick people who slam java and J2EE pointlessly | 12:03 |
| dneary | crashanddie, As I said, any poorly written long-living application | 12:04 |
| RST38h | crashanddie <-- became easily pissable lately =) | 12:04 |
| crashanddie | yeah, Australia will do that to you | 12:04 |
| dneary | It just so happens that most applications are not so long-living, and a great example of longer-living apps are Tomcat and J2EE apps | 12:04 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: Do you still need criminal history to enter? =) | 12:05 |
| mtd | crashanddie: any decent way of getting java on the n900, btw? | 12:05 |
| dneary | And in JBoss you have so many opportunities to not release system resources that it's really easy to write apps poorly | 12:05 |
| dneary | That's all | 12:05 |
| dneary | crashanddie, Defensive much? | 12:05 |
| crashanddie | mtd: there's a thread on TMO about it | 12:05 |
| mtd | crashanddie: (I'd ask google but it seems you may know some cleverness) | 12:05 |
| mtd | crashanddie: ok | 12:05 |
| adeus | australians have a cure for that | 12:05 |
| adeus | beer | 12:05 |
| * mtd really just wants the/a jvm | 12:05 | |
| crashanddie | mtd: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37405 | 12:05 |
| mtd | crashanddie: thx | 12:06 |
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| * mtd feels lucky after building & using an optified git .deb last night (yeah, gotta start somewhere) | 12:06 | |
| mtd | crashanddie: wish there was a way to view the whole thread in one web page :( | 12:07 |
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| lucas | from what I gathered, it's not possible to use the 3G connection on the N900 from a laptop using bluetooth? | 12:12 |
| red | laptop doesn't have adhoc? | 12:13 |
| red | i mean, wifi | 12:13 |
| lucas | it has, but I wanted to use bluetooth :-) | 12:13 |
| mtd | lucas: I thought it was possible with the bluetooth dun app | 12:13 |
| mtd | lucas: but I haven't tried it | 12:13 |
| red | with dun app you can use laptops internet on the n900 | 12:13 |
| red | argh | 12:13 |
| lucas | DUN uses the phone as a modem. my provider charges differently in that case | 12:13 |
| red | i mean | 12:13 |
| red | yeah | 12:14 |
| red | thats what I ment | 12:14 |
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| mtd | lucas: as opposed to getting packets to the internet...how? laptop --bt--> n900 --802.11--> ?? --> internet? | 12:14 |
| lucas | mmh | 12:14 |
| asj_ | mtd: profit! | 12:15 |
| mtd | lucas: I assumed you wanted laptop --bt--> n900 --gprs--> ?? --> internet | 12:15 |
| mtd | asj_: :) | 12:15 |
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| lucas | OK. In the past, my provider was using different 3G access points for "internet from mobile" and "internet from laptop using mobile as modem" | 12:15 |
| lucas | maybe it's no longer true. I'll have to check | 12:15 |
| red | how could they see which you use? :P | 12:15 |
| red | except if the call number was different | 12:16 |
| lucas | well, that's the name in the chatscript | 12:16 |
| mtd | lucas: yeah, I think you should be able to control which access point is in use - there's an app for that IIUC | 12:16 |
| mtd | lucas: fAPN or similar | 12:16 |
| lucas | I'll investigate that | 12:16 |
| * mtd notices the unfortunate-ness of that acronym | 12:16 | |
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| asj_ | I wonder how much power mauku widget takes | 12:18 |
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| hrw | asj_: you know that you have illegal mauku copy? | 12:20 |
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| asj_ | hrw: hmm? | 12:21 |
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| hrw | asj_: mauku is not opensource and license do not allow to distribute binaries. there was discussion about it on maemo-devel | 12:21 |
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| zaheerm | hrw, mauku author uploaded it to extras | 12:23 |
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| hrw | he did | 12:24 |
| hrw | he did not understood how non-free section of Extras work | 12:25 |
| dneary | hrw, Nor do I | 12:25 |
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| dneary | It seems there's no way currently to get promoted from extras-devel/non-free to extras-testing/non-free | 12:26 |
| dneary | And no way to get from there to extras/free | 12:26 |
| dneary | Sorry - extras/non-free | 12:26 |
| zaheerm | the emulators are in free? | 12:26 |
| dneary | zaheerm, Which ones? | 12:27 |
| zaheerm | the ones in extras :) | 12:27 |
| dneary | Any Mer people around? | 12:27 |
| dneary | Karsten or David? | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | Carsten, but yeah :P | 12:28 |
| * RST38h yawns | 12:28 | |
| dneary | Stskeeps, Hi | 12:28 |
| RST38h | The Extras non-free section is for applications that are binary only | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | lo dneary | 12:29 |
| RST38h | This is usually due to these apps not being open-source but it may also happen that they cannot be built with autobuilder | 12:29 |
| RST38h | (the second case is usually temporary) | 12:29 |
| Corsac | is there a policy or something explaining what are the requirements for the various sections? (even just a pointer to debian policy would be nice, imho) | 12:29 |
| RST38h | The "non-free" does not mean that the app costs money or it is unmaintained | 12:29 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, but it should be for _non-free_ apps instead :) | 12:29 |
| slonopotamus | i know. it's free as in freedom. | 12:30 |
| RST38h | slono: Well this is how Debian calls it | 12:30 |
| asj_ | I dunno, the license bother me that much...if it wanted a 100% free phone I would have to remove most the nokia code that makes it a phone | 12:30 |
| Corsac | like: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-sections | 12:30 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, I'm having trouble figuring out what to do with the last few Mer/ pages in Special:Lonelypages | 12:30 |
| RST38h | So, all questions go to Debian folks who are quite religious and regularly jerk off at Stallman effigy | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: sec, looking | 12:30 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, and maemo took debian naming, so it would be logical to use debian meaning too. | 12:31 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, Could you help me figure out what the ideal structure for the Mer web pages is? Since you moved Mer sprints to trac, I'm not sure exactly where everything is happening | 12:31 |
| Corsac | RST38h: usually debian people aren't really fond of rms | 12:31 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, otherwise it just produces tons of confusion. | 12:31 |
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| Stskeeps | dneary: right, - we didn't move sprints to trac, just to a custom system, but let me see .. | 12:32 |
| hrw | I found interesting bug in Contacts | 12:32 |
| asj_ | only 1? | 12:33 |
| hrw | Contacts are sorted wrong: O, Ø, P, but Ø should be after Z, Æ letters | 12:33 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, I thought I saw trac. something in the URL | 12:33 |
| hrw | asj_: no, another one | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: just a hostname leftover :) | 12:33 |
| * slonopotamus deleted his skype account, added it back and now has two skype entries in all skype contacts. | 12:33 | |
| Stskeeps | dneary: basically i'm planning to start revamping things after my thesis defense on friday - is it something we can wait with until there? | 12:34 |
| dneary | hrw, What does LC_COLLATE say? | 12:34 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, Sure | 12:34 |
| hrw | dneary: pl_PL | 12:34 |
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| Stskeeps | bookmarking the page so i'll get back to it | 12:34 |
| dneary | I was just trying to help out organising things - but it seemed like I would have had to start adding stuff to the Mer home page to be happy, and I didn't want to do that | 12:35 |
| hrw | dneary: but Polish alphabet does not contain that letter | 12:35 |
| dneary | A page for "Hardware Mer runs on" would be good | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:35 |
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| dneary | And "Software we've changed for Mer" (which would include the SmartQ kernel, for example) also | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | general rule is that mer pages are free to all to touch, it's a wiki, so | 12:36 |
| dneary | And a general "Stuff you can do with Mer" page that would have a link to, say, Mer/Media | 12:36 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, I know | 12:36 |
| dneary | But a front page is a sacred thing :) | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | but yes | 12:36 |
| dneary | And yours is nice | 12:36 |
| pupnik | should be nice on pandora | 12:36 |
| mtd | crashanddie: thanks for that thread; I'm going to try to package Ed Nevill's modified OpenJDK once he fixes the link to the source http://mint.camswl.com/openjdk/release.htm :) | 12:37 |
| pupnik | just put an image on sd | 12:37 |
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| mtd | crashanddie: I might go to his talk on the subject at FOSDEM and bug him there about it | 12:37 |
| * mtd would like a JVM to play with clojure. | 12:37 | |
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| ifreq | how do you add .desktop file on your .deb build? | 12:38 |
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| hrw | heh.. my desktop sorts wrong too so it is in glibc ;( | 12:39 |
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| slonopotamus | mtd, why don't you just use ubuntu/debian source package? | 12:41 |
| ifreq | okay got it. nvm | 12:41 |
| red | Would be funny idea to use a Guitar Hero USB controller with the N900 :) | 12:42 |
| red | Frets on Fire is an python based opensource clone of Guitar Hero aswell hmm :> | 12:42 |
| red | portable guitar hero station ^^ | 12:42 |
| pekuja | how would you plug it in? | 12:42 |
| red | isn't there some sort of adapters from usb to mini usb? | 12:43 |
| red | or is it totally different? | 12:43 |
| pekuja | no, that's not possible | 12:43 |
| mtd | slonopotamus: because 1) I'm ignorant :) and 2) I'm not sure it has Ed Nevill's speedups in it. But I will check into it...thanks. | 12:43 |
| red | ah, scrap it then I guess | 12:43 |
| pekuja | the N900 is just a USB slave device | 12:43 |
| pekuja | can't act as a host | 12:43 |
| hrw | question: is there a good example how to get access to abook from Qt? | 12:44 |
| adeus | there isn't | 12:44 |
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| mtd | crashanddie: this page appears to be a useful overview/superset of the java solutions from that thread you pointed me to (for future reference): http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/delivering_java_se_to_fremantle/ | 12:45 |
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| Damion2 | lucas: sorry, all better now | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | lucas, so you gave in and got a n900? :) | 12:47 |
| lucas | yes! | 12:47 |
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| lucas | interestingly, ICMP over USB networking seems to fail when the 3G connection is up | 12:48 |
| lucas | but SSH still works | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | lucas: there's a rule somewhere about icmp on 3g | 12:48 |
| slonopotamus | mtd, it should just be a question of repackaging (and optifying) from debian/ubuntu. those solutions are not exclusive, they can all happen at the same time. | 12:48 |
| asj_ | Stskeeps: what's the rule? | 12:48 |
| satmd | o_O | 12:49 |
| lucas | asj_: dropping it? :) but I can't find it in iptables | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | asj_: as in, there's some firewall rule or sysctl that is put in place.. can't recall where atm though | 12:49 |
| satmd | sysctl maybe | 12:49 |
| * satmd checks | 12:49 | |
| xt | red: you can easily use the wiimote on n900 I think | 12:49 |
| asj_ | lucas: there's tons of icmp control in /proc/sys/net or where ever | 12:49 |
| xt | (which the wii guitar hero uses) | 12:49 |
| asj_ | Stskeeps: huh good to know | 12:49 |
| mtd | slonopotamus: yup - hope so - I apt-get source'd git yesterday eve and built a optified armel .deb quite easily, so I'm going to give openjdk a go now...thanks. | 12:49 |
| satmd | # cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all | 12:50 |
| satmd | 0 | 12:50 |
| satmd | it's off | 12:50 |
| slonopotamus | mtd, how long it took to build? :) just curious | 12:50 |
| lucas | I might be hitting the rate limit | 12:50 |
| lucas | actually | 12:50 |
| mtd | slonopotamus: compiling was the longest part - not longer than 15 mins or so on a small-ish VPS | 12:50 |
| asj_ | Stskeeps: but strictly speaking there's no reason at all to implement a firewall rule that coveres usb0/wlan0/etc when you are just trying to get the cell interface | 12:51 |
| mtd | slonopotamus: I wasn't watching it too closely. | 12:51 |
| red | xt: oh right. and you can put the original wii controller into the wii guitar | 12:51 |
| xt | red: exactly | 12:51 |
| red | can you do that for wiimote? if yeah, then it's the controller problem solved | 12:51 |
| xt | I have used my wiimote as remote controller in a standard linux pc | 12:52 |
| red | :) | 12:52 |
| slonopotamus | mtd, you didn't watch it compiling??? maan, that's the most exciting part of building software :) | 12:52 |
| red | slonopotamus: that sentence brings to mind the picture with two lanes, left windows and installing things, right linux and installing things | 12:52 |
| asj_ | slonopotamus: you must not work in the software industry | 12:52 |
| red | compile - error - google - dependencies compile - error - bang head - google - find vague instructions - compile - error - kill wife | 12:53 |
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| pupnik | you forgot write buggy fs | 12:53 |
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| jaska | slothware industry | 12:53 |
| satmd | someone beware, minike80 is about to spam | 12:54 |
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| Myrtti | minike80: please don't spam | 12:54 |
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| red | do it! | 12:54 |
| satmd | :D | 12:54 |
| red | :D | 12:54 |
| Myrtti | ♥ | 12:54 |
| jaska | lol, no spam \o/ | 12:54 |
| zash | haha, what | 12:54 |
| red | smells like victory | 12:55 |
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| red | whats the command in sql to show up to x amount of hits | 12:56 |
| red | can't figure out what to google it by well enough :) | 12:56 |
| satmd | limit | 12:56 |
| red | ah ofcourse, ty | 12:56 |
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| odin_ | LIMIT in MySQL, TOP in most other SQL servers | 12:57 |
| Wolfie | beware, though, it's not standard SQL, and I do remember two different engines implementing two different syntaxes for that | 12:57 |
| slonopotamus_ | slonopotamus, quit, quick! | 12:57 |
| satmd | hm | 12:57 |
| slonopotamus_ | odin_, postgresql has limit too. | 12:57 |
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| slonopotamus_ | and oracle is just broken in this aspect :) | 12:58 |
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| red | slonopotamus: you could just enforce nickchange ;) | 12:58 |
| red | irrevelant now though :D | 12:58 |
| adeus | oracle just doesn't believe in page requests :) | 12:58 |
| slonopotamus | red, how's that? | 12:58 |
| mtd | slonopotamus: :) | 12:59 |
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| slonopotamus | this 'one connection per one nick' is just stupid. let's move to xmpp. | 12:59 |
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| wazd | heya maemo | 13:04 |
| ifreq | hey wazd my fav theme maker | 13:04 |
| ifreq | :) | 13:04 |
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| satmd | :) | 13:06 |
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| wazd | ifreq: :D | 13:07 |
| wazd | ifreq: I'm like James Cameron. One good theme in 10 years :D | 13:07 |
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| ifreq | haha | 13:08 |
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| hrw | speaking of Cameron... watched Avatar yesterday and do not know what innovating people see in it. but I did not watched 3d movies before | 13:10 |
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| zash | hrw: I've heard it's a lot like Pocahontas | 13:11 |
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| zash | hrw: except in the future, and in 3D (OMG 3D OMG!!) | 13:11 |
| ifreq | its okay movie. much better than expected | 13:11 |
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| Damion2 | the plot is so completely predictable that you can only really watch it for the acting, action and special effects | 13:12 |
| wazd | Damion2: heh | 13:12 |
| Damion2 | I pretty much could have told you the outcome after the 1st 10 mins having watched the trailer before hand | 13:12 |
| Damion2 | and I've not read/seen Pocahontas | 13:12 |
| ifreq | Damion2: well give me any disney movie which is not predictable :P | 13:12 |
| wazd | Damion2: have you seen Titanic? :D | 13:12 |
| Damion2 | wazd: yeah, OYG I couldn't believe it sank! | 13:13 |
| wazd | Damion2: I was soooo surprised in the end :D | 13:13 |
| ifreq | wazd: or troy | 13:13 |
| ifreq | :P | 13:13 |
| ifreq | "omg theres ppl inside of the fucking horse" | 13:13 |
| satmd | hm, I haven't even seen a trailer yet, but given the info of you guys, I don't want to go watch it anymore | 13:13 |
| mtd | sorry to be ignorant...maemo5 sdk scratchbox is based on debian etch, right? So I would have best results building .debs for my n900 by starting with debian etch sources, right? | 13:13 |
| wazd | ifreq: that's innovative! | 13:13 |
| Damion2 | satmd: I found the 3d was good and the fx were impressively real, it's worth it IMO | 13:13 |
| ifreq | last yearst best movies: inglourious basterds (imo) :) | 13:14 |
| hrw | mtd: not quite etch. some apps in maemo5 are older then etch | 13:14 |
| satmd | true, but if I just wanted action w/o story, there's tons of stuff out there | 13:14 |
| Damion2 | ifreq: worth renting on my ps3 for 4squid ? | 13:14 |
| ifreq | y | 13:14 |
| ifreq | Damion2: definitely | 13:14 |
| Damion2 | okay, might do that. I want to see "year one" | 13:14 |
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| Damion2 | oh and District 9 when they give up waiting for people to pay £11.99 and switch to rental | 13:15 |
| wazd | I've found perfect maemo mascot: http://www.filmsquish.com/guts/files/images/thing2.JPG | 13:15 |
| lardman | morning | 13:15 |
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| wazd | lardman: 'lo | 13:15 |
| lardman | hi wazd | 13:16 |
| Dantonic | hello anyone have experience with flac? | 13:16 |
| hrw | bye | 13:16 |
| Damion2 | http://pics.nase-bohren.de/allahtar.jpg | 13:16 |
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| wazd | hrw: cya | 13:16 |
| * lardman hasn't look at TMO for ~4 days, wondering how long it will take to look at the new topics now... | 13:17 | |
| Dantonic | I'm having issues ripping CDs to flac. The file size of the flac rips is way too big, bigger than the wav counterpart. I've tried using both sound juicer and Rubyripper. Any idea what's going on? | 13:18 |
| lardman | flac supports compression doesn't it? Can you change the level of compression | 13:19 |
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| lardman | also are you comparing to wav at the same bitrate and resolution? | 13:19 |
| Dantonic | lardman, not sure both softwares I'm using don't really have a setting for that | 13:20 |
| Dantonic | it's just "rip to flac" | 13:20 |
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| Dantonic | I guess it must be upsampling somehow | 13:20 |
| Dantonic | what's the sample rate of a cd? | 13:21 |
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| lardman | 44.1 KHz | 13:21 |
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| lardman | so are you ripping to wav then converting that to flac? | 13:22 |
| Dantonic | ok.. soundjuicer has only an option for sample rate and it is 44.1 thats the only setting | 13:22 |
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| Dantonic | no just ripping straight to flac | 13:22 |
| Dantonic | or straight to wav | 13:22 |
| Dantonic | I just tried to wav to see the size difference... | 13:22 |
| Damion2 | rip to cdda or wav and then flac them they'll definitely shrink to ~35% of teh size | 13:23 |
| Dantonic | some flac files are >40MB | 13:23 |
| Damion2 | that's bonkers | 13:23 |
| Damion2 | mind you I find mp3/aac/ogg perfectly fine, I'm not one of those audiophiles | 13:23 |
| Dantonic | I understand but I'd like the lossless format | 13:24 |
| Dantonic | just dont get why it doesnt work | 13:24 |
| joppu | 320kbps should be enought for everyone | 13:24 |
| Damion2 | well flac the wavs | 13:24 |
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| Damion2 | joppu: I was okay with 6kbps .ra format (realmedia) | 13:24 |
| Damion2 | actually that's pretty low, but possibly the best encoding anyone has ever managed at that rate | 13:25 |
| Damion2 | speex and gsm being okay ish for spoken stuff at 8-9kbps | 13:25 |
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| crashanddie | VDVsx: you should've removed the one on 77-56 as well | 13:30 |
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| VDVsx | crashanddie, humm ? :) | 13:31 |
| VDVsx | I banned that dude temporarily yesterday for connection breaks, but forgot to unban :( | 13:31 |
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| * nomis waves | 13:35 | |
| crashanddie | cool :) | 13:35 |
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| crashanddie | FYI: removed the unidentified-user ban to allow nomis to talk | 13:36 |
| nomis | Yeah, not that I had anything important to say :) | 13:37 |
| nomis | (and I am identified again now, seems freenode forgot about this at some point) | 13:37 |
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| crashanddie | still, I don't like banning people from talking | 13:37 |
| eichi | hello, is is possitble to sync gpe-calendar with evolution 2-way? | 13:37 |
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| eichi | with syncevolution | 13:38 |
| eichi | or is it just one-way? | 13:38 |
| crashanddie | IRC should be a quick and easy way to communicate -- having to create an account for that doesn't make it "quick and easy" | 13:38 |
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| VDVsx | crashanddie, the only problem are the spam bots, we enabled that because of those bastards | 13:41 |
| crashanddie | VDVsx: I've had it deactivated since I became an op | 13:41 |
| crashanddie | VDVsx: never seen them once | 13:42 |
| crashanddie | VDVsx: I just activated earlier because I thought there was a bot | 13:42 |
| VDVsx | a couple of days ago they attacked some channels where I hang around :P | 13:42 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: I won't make it this week | 13:44 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: we have a new release coming out tomorrow morning, I need to be full on this and will probably work on it throughout the weekend -- customer needs it running by Monday | 13:45 |
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| crashanddie | When I took this job, I liked the fact they were all pretty anal about doing only 9-5 days | 13:49 |
| crashanddie | not so sure I like the fact they're keen on doing 9-5 days even on weekends! | 13:49 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: Fair enough | 13:52 |
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| Damion2 | 9-5 7 days a week? | 13:52 |
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| Damion2 | oh that isn't intentional, just what they often want | 13:55 |
| Andrewfblack | Stskeeps, ping | 14:00 |
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| mikexcr | hi all | 14:04 |
| mikexcr | where i found polish translate for n800? | 14:05 |
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| lardman | mikexcr: you could ask hrw | 14:14 |
| lardman | re by the way, got called away | 14:14 |
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| mtd | coming from a fedora world of complete OS reinstalls every 6 mos, I perceive maemo5 scratchbox's etch-based software versions to be quite old. Am I missing something / being unfair? | 14:18 |
| * ShadowJK is guessing it's debian stable minus a year or two | 14:19 | |
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| ShadowJK | atleast it's not codesourcery 2005 anymore | 14:19 |
| * mtd now thinks he's being unfair. etch is less than a year old. | 14:20 | |
| * RST38h moos at lardman and ShadowJK | 14:21 | |
| ShadowJK | moo | 14:21 |
| lardman | moo | 14:21 |
| RST38h | lardman: konttori has recently been inquiring about the problems with using gst plugins inside the stock Media Player | 14:21 |
| lardman | and the fact the pipeline is hardcoded? | 14:22 |
| RST38h | lardman: I referred him to you (as you seem to know better), so you may want to talk to him about it | 14:22 |
| RST38h | lardman: yes | 14:22 |
| lardman | ok, will see if I can catch him later on | 14:22 |
| RST38h | lardman: There may be some hope of fixing that, in some trivial way | 14:22 |
| lardman | cool | 14:22 |
| lardman | would be nice to be able to add arbitrary plugins to the pipeline of the media player and the camera app | 14:23 |
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| RST38h | lardman: I secretely hope for some file in /etc or even a gconf value | 14:23 |
| lardman | yep | 14:23 |
| RST38h | lardman: But you have to talk to konttori about it | 14:24 |
| lardman | is he part of that team then? | 14:24 |
| RST38h | BTW, THAT is the reason why the gst subtitles plugin from repository is not working, correct? | 14:24 |
| lardman | iirc, something about not using the bin component that would automatically pull in the subtitle plugin if it detected a subtitle in the same dir, etc | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | mtd: no, not unusual to complain about :P | 14:26 |
| alterego | Anyone used the OpenMAX H264 decoder? | 14:27 |
| alterego | I can't get it to work. | 14:27 |
| alterego | playbin screws it up andmanually it fails me. | 14:27 |
| mtd | Stskeeps: heh | 14:27 |
| lardman | alterego: screws it up how? | 14:28 |
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| lardman | does it work better than your manual pipeline? | 14:28 |
| alterego | lardman: well, it doesn't work :P | 14:28 |
| alterego | No, same error. | 14:28 |
| ifreq | if im building a sw and it has depency (lib) for another how I upload both to garage builder? | 14:28 |
| alterego | I'll try it now and dump the output. | 14:29 |
| lardman | yeah, well the manual pipeline should work | 14:29 |
| lardman | alterego: might be best to ask in the #gstreamer channel for support and work out what you should use | 14:29 |
| alterego | Okay, I'll give it another go. | 14:29 |
| lardman | you may have already done so of course | 14:29 |
| alterego | m'kay | 14:29 |
| alterego | No, I've not actually :) | 14:29 |
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| mtd | Stskeeps: main issue is no armel arch for etch :(...lots of building (at best), here I come :) | 14:32 |
| mtd | (main issue I'm hitting now) | 14:32 |
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| aSIMULAwrk | no terve | 14:35 |
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| alterego | Mac OS X 10.3 Ported to Nokia N900 -- Ported? :( | 15:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 15:00 |
| anidel | :D | 15:00 |
| JimiDini | andre__: hi. I just got notification, that you marked my keyboard-layout bug as invalid. ok, but shouldn't it be converted to ui-bug then? | 15:01 |
| zaheerm | alterego, don't use the openmax decoder | 15:01 |
| zaheerm | alterego, use dspvdec | 15:01 |
| alterego | zaheerm: ff? | 15:01 |
| alterego | zaheerm: cheers, | 15:01 |
| JimiDini | andre__: preferences should visually distinguish hardware and virtual keyboard settings | 15:01 |
| alterego | zaheerm: is dspvdec some kind of bin decoder? | 15:02 |
| zaheerm | alterego, it uses the dsp directly rather than through openmax | 15:02 |
| zaheerm | alterego, and is the preferred one | 15:02 |
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| zaheerm | the openmax plugin is only there for h264 encoding, because gst-dsp with h264 encoding doesn't work so well currently | 15:03 |
| alterego | "Nokia's sore rival Apple's Mac OS X" .. Yeah right.. | 15:04 |
| zaheerm | alterego, it is the sore rival to nokia's booklet 3g | 15:04 |
| alterego | Yeah, | 15:04 |
| zaheerm | a white macbook is same price as that booklet | 15:05 |
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| alterego | Heh | 15:05 |
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| ShadowJK | I've only seen mac mini at same price as booklet :-) | 15:09 |
| alterego | Does anyone here have the nokia netbook? | 15:09 |
| andre__ | JimiDini, looks like the User Guide is a bit vague here, can you file a report against it please? | 15:10 |
| ShadowJK | if it had ethernet I'd consider it :P | 15:11 |
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| alterego | Hrm, if it had Linux over Win7 I'd notcompletely feel disgusted? :P | 15:12 |
| pekuja | doesn't the booklet cost like 800 euros? | 15:12 |
| alterego | Preorder only at the mo in the UK. | 15:12 |
| alterego | Is it actually out yet? :) | 15:12 |
| zaheerm | yah 647 i think | 15:12 |
| zaheerm | its out in places outside uk | 15:13 |
| ShadowJK | heh, it's listed at same price as ipad here | 15:13 |
| alterego | 649 GBP on the .co.uk website at the moment :P | 15:13 |
| ShadowJK | or 200-ish cheaper than iphone..lol | 15:13 |
| alterego | Well, I'd prefer it to an iPad ;) | 15:13 |
| * alterego contemplates getting an iPad to install maemo on :P | 15:13 | |
| JimiDini | alterego: those are uncomparable ;) iPad is a consumer device, while booklet is a computer | 15:14 |
| pekuja | I thought iPhone was around 600 euros? | 15:14 |
| alterego | JimiDini: hahah, right on :P | 15:14 |
| zaheerm | a piece of glass same size as an ipad is also a consumer device | 15:15 |
| zaheerm | so definitely comparasble to an ipad | 15:15 |
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| JimiDini | zaheerm: ipad definitely has more features than piece of glass :-p | 15:16 |
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| zaheerm | JimiDini, it lets me break into it without potentially being sued | 15:16 |
| ptman | pekuja, 8GB, 16GB and 32GB iPhones cost 649, 900, 1000 EUR, respectively | 15:16 |
| redeeman | JimiDini: yes, you get a subscription to your new personal god | 15:16 |
| pekuja | ptman: hmm, that is more than I thought it was | 15:17 |
| ptman | but they can be had cheaper with plans or specials | 15:17 |
| pekuja | well, no | 15:18 |
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| ShadowJK | I remembered 3gs 32 as 1200E, must've dropped a bit :) | 15:18 |
| ShadowJK | as I found it at 899E now | 15:18 |
| pekuja | because the plans make up for the "savings" ten fold | 15:18 |
| ptman | pekuja, depends on how much of the included "free" phones calls and sms you use | 15:19 |
| ptman | but generally, you are correct | 15:19 |
| pekuja | sure | 15:19 |
| pekuja | operators like saying stuff is "free" | 15:20 |
| pekuja | especially stuff that you're payoning a lot of money for | 15:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Free iphone! Only $120/mo! | 15:20 |
| pekuja | paying* | 15:20 |
| SpeedEvil | (1200 month contract) | 15:20 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 15:20 |
| pekuja | exactly | 15:21 |
| * JimiDini is not in the mood to argue about religious issues. All I care about is usability. iPad is similar to kitchen equipment or tv. those should be easy to use and not force me to think | 15:21 | |
| pekuja | :-) | 15:21 |
| pekuja | I think the iPad might be a cool gaming device | 15:21 |
| pekuja | and maybe a portable video player | 15:22 |
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| ShadowJK | I suspect format support is a bit limited? | 15:23 |
| alterego | No flash :P | 15:23 |
| dazo | [OT] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=052JJGBxFH0 | 15:23 |
| JimiDini | alterego: no flash in browser. still, you can compile flash-project into iphone/ipad app | 15:23 |
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| pekuja | not until Flash CS5 comes out | 15:26 |
| zaheerm | there is a partial flash implementation in js | 15:28 |
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| tybollt | well | 15:48 |
| tybollt | you have to give the iphone that... | 15:48 |
| tybollt | it did make the data plans a common and relatively cheap thing | 15:48 |
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| furunk3l | well, not where i live. | 15:53 |
| furunk3l | we had cheap dataplans ages before steve jobs thought of the iphone | 15:54 |
| tybollt | perhaps, not in .se though... | 15:54 |
| tybollt | prior to that it was pretty much pay per MB, period | 15:55 |
| scr4ve | zaheerm: partial is a nice paraphrase | 15:55 |
| furunk3l | well, i dont know about sweden | 15:55 |
| furunk3l | but in germany it was already cheap when the iphone was born | 15:55 |
| thresh | they sell iphones here, but no cheap data plans | 15:56 |
| scr4ve | furunk3l: i wouldn't say that it is cheap compared to normal dsl | 15:56 |
| thresh | though that's what you get for living in a poor country | 15:56 |
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| furunk3l | scr4ve, why would you do that? | 15:59 |
| furunk3l | :) | 15:59 |
| scr4ve | furunk3l: afaik there are no unlimited data plans in germany below 50 bucks a month. | 15:59 |
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| furunk3l | scr4ve, you can get it for like 17,50, allthough its capped at 5GB and then switches to gprs. | 16:02 |
| furunk3l | its kinda flatrate | 16:02 |
| RST38h | thresh: data plans here are ok | 16:02 |
| scr4ve | furunk3l: gprs is not a flatrate, gprs is a bug ;) | 16:02 |
| RST38h | threash: Unless you meant "unlimited", not "cheap" | 16:02 |
| thresh | ok? :o | 16:03 |
| thresh | well, where here? :) | 16:03 |
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| tybollt | RST38h: What I meant originally was basically that Iphone made data connections flatrate as they used to be charge per usage prior. | 16:03 |
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| RST38h | threash: http://www.mts.ru/tariffs/inet/connect_2/ | 16:03 |
| thresh | it's "thresh" kthx | 16:04 |
| furunk3l | true dat | 16:04 |
| thresh | RST38h: yeah but it's not unlimited at all :o | 16:04 |
| * tybollt has a very nice dataplan, basically (real) unlimited 3g (not hspa) on the cheap. Add more monnehz and you get HSPA too. | 16:05 | |
| RST38h | thresh: so, when they say unlimited, what does it mean? | 16:05 |
| thresh | bullshit | 16:05 |
| RST38h | let's see... | 16:06 |
| dazo | In Norway even the prepaid cards now have a maximum price per day for data traffic .... approx USD2 .... up to 200MB per month, then they'll cap the speed | 16:06 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: you can be online as much time as you like | 16:06 |
| tybollt | thresh: what is BS? | 16:06 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: so you have unlimited twitter or IRC | 16:06 |
| sp3000 | it's all a load of ...backspace! | 16:06 |
| dazo | dazo: a year ago ... it costed about 3.5 USD per MB | 16:07 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: No, no, they are not THAT naive | 16:07 |
| RST38h | has to be something else | 16:07 |
| RST38h | thresh: So, what exactly is the catch? | 16:07 |
| thresh | non-working 3G i guess | 16:07 |
| tybollt | dazo: funny telenor are the only ones to give "real" umnlimited data plans here in .se AFAIU :) | 16:07 |
| RST38h | Oh I found it | 16:08 |
| thresh | i will probably hit some mts store today and ask the guys about it | 16:08 |
| RST38h | thresh: I found it. It is quite ok in fact. | 16:08 |
| thresh | i'm using megafon anyway | 16:08 |
| dazo | tybollt: that's Telenor in Norway which got that deal as well .... and you only pay for the days you use it .... and Telenor is usually the most expensive supplier | 16:08 |
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| * RST38h finds that pastebin does not understand Unicode. The hard way. | 16:09 | |
| thresh | use dumpz.org | 16:09 |
| RST38h | thresh: Well, do not complain then :) | 16:09 |
| thresh | it's ok with cyrillic | 16:09 |
| RST38h | Another poor soul cursed by Megafon | 16:09 |
| thresh | well | 16:09 |
| thresh | works nicely | 16:09 |
| RST38h | thresh: Here is the catch: http://dumpz.org/16631/ | 16:09 |
| RST38h | thresh: Not bad, really | 16:10 |
| thresh | well | 16:10 |
| thresh | what i really need is not speed | 16:10 |
| thresh | but a low lag | 16:10 |
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| RST38h | Ah | 16:10 |
| RST38h | But it does not depend on business decisions by operators | 16:10 |
| thresh | somehow i really doubt that crippled EDGE can provide fast enough connection if you only change the tariff | 16:11 |
| tybollt | dazo: no... I mean I have a dataplan where I pay SEK 99/month and have unlimited data... | 16:11 |
| thresh | and we don't have 3G here too | 16:11 |
| dazo | tybollt: ahh ... neat ... well Telenor got 500MB limit for that plan in Norway ... NOK99/month | 16:11 |
| red | any good alternatives to pastebin? (mainly cleaner looking) | 16:12 |
| dazo | red: pastebin.ca? | 16:12 |
| JimiDini | red: paste2.org | 16:12 |
| red | i've been using the .com | 16:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | slexy.org ? | 16:12 |
| tybollt | dazo: the only limit AFAICT is that the speed is capped at HSDPA/WCDMA and will never go up to HSPA | 16:12 |
| red | .ca looks nice | 16:13 |
| dazo | tybollt: that's 7.2MBit or so? | 16:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | tybollt, UMTS, you mean? | 16:13 |
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| red | paste2.org wins the game :) | 16:14 |
| red | looked the sleekest | 16:14 |
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| tybollt | GeneralAntilles: frankly I got kind of lost in ol of those BS acronyms :) but, 384k/bits tops and not the >MB shitz. | 16:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | tybollt, UMTS | 16:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | HSPA and HSDPA are roughly the same thing | 16:15 |
| tybollt | GeneralAntilles: if you say so, I trust you :) | 16:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | and WCDMA is all of them. | 16:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 3G vs 3.5G is easier. ;) | 16:15 |
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| tybollt | yeah | 16:16 |
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| red | JimiDini: do you know how long does paste2.org conserve my pastes? | 16:18 |
| red | couldnt find it anywhere | 16:18 |
| dazo | tybollt: be happy! I'm living in the Czech Repbulic now .... and they don't provide 3G for "normal" customers here at all .... it's only 2.5G, not even sure if it is EDGE .... and it is expensive as hell | 16:18 |
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| tybollt | dazo: ? :S | 16:18 |
| tybollt | dazo: why are they that anal? | 16:18 |
| JimiDini | red: nope | 16:18 |
| tybollt | dazo: well it is Czech rep... they spent ol the monneh on beer :P | 16:19 |
| dazo | tybollt: I dunno .... I hate it ... but it's T-Mobile, Vodaphone and O2 which have the power here .... | 16:19 |
| tybollt | vodaphone pretty much ePICFAILed in .se | 16:19 |
| crashanddie | I think I have found the best YouTube comment ever | 16:19 |
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| tybollt | crashanddie: do spill | 16:20 |
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| crashanddie | On a CSI Miami vid | 16:20 |
| crashanddie | "You're not gonna believe this, but semen was found in the victim's mouth!" | 16:20 |
| crashanddie | "Well, the truth is always" | 16:20 |
| crashanddie | *sunglasses* | 16:20 |
| crashanddie | "Hard to swallow" | 16:20 |
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| crashanddie | YYEEAAAAHHHHHH | 16:20 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: :-D | 16:20 |
| crashanddie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sarYH0z948 | 16:21 |
| crashanddie | Best. Comment. Ever | 16:21 |
| tybollt | yub | 16:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, CSI Miami is bad for your health. | 16:21 |
| jaska | mental health atleast | 16:21 |
| tybollt | it is TV... it is all crap | 16:22 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: you mean you floridians don't usually say a heavily paused sentence, intersected by adding a piece of fashion equipment, followed by an off-angle camera walk-out? | 16:23 |
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| crashanddie | (and I have absolutely no idea if that is the correct name for citizens of Florida) | 16:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, Floridians | 16:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | and no. | 16:24 |
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| crashanddie | oh baby, I'm lovin those recommendations coming in: http://www.linkedin.com/ppl/webprofile?vmi=&id=30401713&pvs=pp&authToken=q_c_&authType=name&locale=en_US&trk=ppro_viewmore&lnk=vw_pprofile#recommendations | 16:28 |
| frals | so right | 16:30 |
| frals | how cold is helsinki atm? | 16:31 |
| crashanddie | -4 | 16:31 |
| tybollt | frals: omweather or foreca would tell you ;P | 16:31 |
| crashanddie | humidity 80% | 16:31 |
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| hrw | re | 16:31 |
| frals | tybollt: first hand experience > weathersites! ;) | 16:31 |
| crashanddie | and a wind from the east at 11km/h | 16:31 |
| tybollt | frals: fair enough ;) | 16:31 |
| wazd | 6th season of Lost is an absolute brain damager | 16:31 |
| cpscotti | Hey.. anyone there already using "Desktop Command Execution" widget? I just promoted a new (maybe final) version to -testing. The previous version had 7 thumbs up already... any testing is appreciated! | 16:32 |
| hrw | mikexcr: check http://internet-tablet.pl/ forum - there was unofficial Polish translation for os2008 | 16:32 |
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| crashanddie | wazd: any season of lost is a brain damager | 16:32 |
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| tybollt | crashanddie++ | 16:33 |
| wazd | crashanddie: no, I mean this is the REAL damager :) | 16:33 |
| cpscotti | crashanddie++ | 16:33 |
| frals | well its the last one (finally) | 16:33 |
| frals | should probably save those eps for the flight tomorrow | 16:33 |
| tybollt | traveling to warmer places? | 16:34 |
| frals | yes... Helsinki :P | 16:34 |
| wazd | Oceanic 815? :D | 16:34 |
| tybollt | frals: ;-P | 16:34 |
| wazd | or 12, I can't remember :) | 16:34 |
| crashanddie | wazd: Do not create a television series about a group of people who crash-land on an island if you don’t know where you’re going with it! | 16:35 |
| crashanddie | wazd: Don’t just make it up as you go along, because if you do, it’s going to start sucking very quickly! | 16:35 |
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| crashanddie | wazd: I’m talking, of course, about Desperate Housewives, which is just awful | 16:35 |
| * VDVsx likes lost :) | 16:35 | |
| crashanddie | Terri Hatcher, you're a beautiful woman, but please grow old gracefully and without the facial work. You're not allowed to have an exoskeleton unless you’re a beetle. | 16:36 |
| jaska | hahahaha | 16:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 16:36 |
| tybollt | frals: anyway flight to helsinki is what, one hour? You won't be able to crack open your laptop in that tome :) | 16:36 |
| tybollt | time | 16:36 |
| frals | tybollt: i got my n900! ;) | 16:36 |
| tybollt | yeah that... I had the "funniest" experience... back in the day... my brand new SE P1... | 16:37 |
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| tybollt | "No miss flighat attendant - it is a phone which you can turn off the antena of, so I'm just using it to listen to music" ... that almost got me handcuffed ;) | 16:38 |
| frals | lol | 16:38 |
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| crashanddie | And, if I may, I would like to paraphrase Dickens, but instead of Christmas traditions, I am speaking today of vaginas when I say, "They have never put one scrap of gold in my pocket, but they bring a smile to my face, so therefore, I declare them good." | 16:38 |
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| alterego | Hrm, how do I get the little arrow next to the window title signifying there'sa menu to be used? | 16:39 |
| crashanddie | > | 16:39 |
| Myrtti | it's a good thing you need only vaginas. Mock ones are so much easier to get anyway! | 16:39 |
| Myrtti | ... | 16:40 |
| crashanddie | shift and the key for "dot" | 16:40 |
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| * dazo once flew to Helsinki ... and the flight attendant asked me if my Sony MD player was a digital or analogue device | 16:40 | |
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| dazo | because I would not be allowed to have any digital device turned on | 16:40 |
| VDVsx | lol | 16:40 |
| dazo | "Yeah, sure it's analogue ... it's like a walkman", I said | 16:40 |
| alterego | Can't seem to findan option on "StackableWindow"/"HildonWindow" would have thought it'#d be automatic when you set the menu. :/ | 16:41 |
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| mikexcr | hrw: thanks :) | 16:41 |
| crashanddie | actually, now they even ban just having earbuds in your ears | 16:41 |
| mtd | odd - HAM just started pulling some big set of updates down after alerting about two packages (only)... | 16:41 |
| crashanddie | they say that the pressure change could damage my hears | 16:41 |
| SpeedEvil | ... | 16:42 |
| crashanddie | s/ h/ / | 16:42 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: they say that the pressure change could damage my ears | 16:42 |
| SpeedEvil | this would be sane - if the phones hermetically sealed the ears | 16:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | alterego, I think it's contra-indicated by the UI spec. | 16:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | alterego, but Nokia's totally inconsistent about it. | 16:43 |
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| VDVsx | crashanddie, WTF, never had problems with phones, tablets or music players on board, lol | 16:43 |
| alterego | GeneralAntilles: I don't get you. Are you saying fremantle randomly puts it there when it feels like it? Or is their an API call to do it? :P | 16:43 |
| crashanddie | VDVsx: do you fly 6 times a month? | 16:43 |
| tybollt | VDVsx: isn't that the point though... | 16:44 |
| VDVsx | crashanddie, no, and I always fly in nice companies :D | 16:44 |
| tybollt | VDVsx: the airlines are in NO WAY consistent about this banning of devices... | 16:44 |
| crashanddie | VDVsx: yeah, my assistant books my flights, and my comfort comes after the credit card bill | 16:44 |
| VDVsx | mostly low coast :D | 16:44 |
| hrw | question: did os2008 supports A2DP headphones out-of-box? | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | alterego, I mean that I don't think the UI spec recommends using it anymore. | 16:45 |
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| VDVsx | s/ coast / cost/ | 16:45 |
| infobot | VDVsx meant: mostly low cost:D | 16:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Delta's never bugged me about devices, either. | 16:45 |
| crashanddie | plane coasting, the new low-cost travel option! | 16:45 |
| dazo | anyone poked into streaming pulse audio streams from the N900 to a computer over WLAN? | 16:45 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: delta's always bugged me about it | 16:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, aside from takeoff and landing, of course. | 16:46 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: delta, virgin and american | 16:46 |
| lcuk | thats because you take your desktop computer onto the plane | 16:46 |
| crashanddie | well, yeah, that's what I'm talking about | 16:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | alterego, I think it's a hold-over from Diablo days. | 16:46 |
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| tybollt | lcuk: :D | 16:46 |
| lcuk | and expect to use the next tray table for your mousemat | 16:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, well, that's FAA, sooo .. . | 16:46 |
| crashanddie | well it's stupid | 16:46 |
| crashanddie | there's nothing that's going to happen | 16:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, I agree, but it's not the airline's fault. ;) | 16:46 |
| crashanddie | no, my mp3 player will not cause the engines to fail | 16:46 |
| crashanddie | no, my camera will not cause the oxygen masks to dangle in front of our faces and annoy us right before we die | 16:46 |
| VDVsx | eheh | 16:47 |
| lcuk | the airline staff do not need degrees in technology capabilities, if they see electronic devices they are entitled to ask you to turn them off | 16:47 |
| bongoman | does anyone know of a way to get an n900 to push mp3s to Windows 7 media renderer with uPnP? | 16:47 |
| tybollt | from what I gather the ban on cellphones in the air is because they start flapping between the phone companies radio equipment essentially hogging them | 16:47 |
| viukkis | i wouldn't mind having a device that can cause the oxygen masks to fall whenever i want to | 16:47 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: not complaining about the airliners, complaining about the rules | 16:47 |
| lcuk | there is no way they can know what its capable of doing, and frankly if you are gonna argue with them you shouldnt be on a plane | 16:47 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: also, read my last blogpost, about ryanair | 16:47 |
| * dazo is happy N900 looks more like an MP3 player than a mobile phone ... might not make flight attendants worry too much unless pulling out the keyboard | 16:48 | |
| thresh | mythbusters busted that myth :) | 16:48 |
| crashanddie | well, not last, quite some time ago now | 16:48 |
| tybollt | thresh: which one? | 16:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | 30k feet is generally too high to get a real signal in most places. | 16:48 |
| thresh | whether mobiles are risky on planes | 16:48 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: do not get into politics | 16:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'd be moving between ground stations too quickly for it to work well anyway. | 16:48 |
| Corsac | I have a nice gps trace from a flight Mexico-Madrid | 16:48 |
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| Corsac | (not all the flight, my n810 died before, but still) | 16:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | But that doesn't have anything to do with interfering with plane electronics. | 16:48 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: you might accidentally run into Catherine Harris | 16:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | ohshit | 16:49 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: This is a woman who could stand next to Hitler and people would still go "Who's the bitch?" | 16:49 |
| tybollt | GeneralAntilles: but I think that is the thing, moving very quickly between ground stations causes problems w/ the stations... Iono, just hearsay on my part :) | 16:49 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: you're too high for the signal anyway | 16:50 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: no that's ann coulter, thank-you-very-much | 16:50 |
| crashanddie | You'd be hard pressed to find any signal at 10k ft (3km) | 16:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, I'm just waiting for the TSA to decide everybody has to fly nude. | 16:50 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: I dunno | 16:50 |
| * GeneralAntilles can't imagine how much money is being lost because of the security theater and border control insanity. | 16:51 | |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: fat guys could still hide bombs between their fat lumps | 16:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Here's an easy way to fix the economy, don't anally probe tourists. | 16:51 |
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| odin_ | Man take control of a 747 with his mobile phone, he hacks into flyby-wireless, by decrypting the WPA key and accidentally presses the engine ejection botton | 16:51 |
| Corsac | just visualize them naked | 16:51 |
| Corsac | odin_: CSI! | 16:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, that's why we have those new radiowave imagers. | 16:51 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: they reflect off human flesh | 16:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, then clearly we need more powerful radiowaves. | 16:52 |
| lcuk | "excuse me dsir, is that a stick of dynamite or are you just pleased to see me" | 16:52 |
| * LinuxCode hides his bomb up his backside | 16:52 | |
| LinuxCode | *hint* | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | LinuxCode: I hope for you that's a small bomb | 16:52 |
| jaska | everyone has to fly in a gimpsuit wearing a ballgag | 16:52 |
| LinuxCode | crashanddie, hehe | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | or, remind me not to go to the toilet after you | 16:53 |
| RST38h | LinuxCode: Will you dump...mhmmm...core then? | 16:53 |
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| LinuxCode | security is such a joke | 16:53 |
| LinuxCode | staff is the biggest issue anyway | 16:53 |
| crashanddie | oh, btw, I have a picture of the Delta on-board entertainment system crashing and booting LInux | 16:53 |
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| * RST38h sees it every time he enters the plane | 16:53 | |
| LinuxCode | crashanddie, now that is something Id like to see | 16:53 |
| RST38h | the thing actually shows a plain X11 screen with the crosshatch cursor | 16:53 |
| derf | Virgin America runs RedHat. | 16:54 |
| dazo | crashanddie: I've experienced the same with Windows Embedded .... 3 times in a flight ... then I gave up :-P | 16:54 |
| RST38h | Cathay runs Java, remotely | 16:54 |
| RST38h | (you can imagine the speed of this thing) | 16:54 |
| lcuk | derf, virgin anywhere runs redhat | 16:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Delta really needs to update the entertainment equipment on their planes. | 16:54 |
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| derf | lcuk: Well, one would assume, but I haven't flown anywhere. | 16:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | "I can sing a rainbow" | 16:55 |
| RST38h | Delta needs to stop cancelling their flights first | 16:55 |
| lcuk | yeah | 16:55 |
| RST38h | And stop fucking passengers over, blaming it on "acts of God" | 16:55 |
| lcuk | there should be a book club on flights | 16:55 |
| derf | RST38h: No fucking kidding. | 16:55 |
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| dazo | RST38h: that explains a lot! I flew Cathay from New Zealand to Hong Kong ... and it was not exactly impressive | 16:55 |
| lcuk | a selection of books left for readers | 16:55 |
| crashanddie | LinuxCode http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi7kD5lRLh8 | 16:55 |
| derf | They cancelled my flight for _rain_. | 16:55 |
| RST38h | dazo: Outside of the entertainment system, Cathay rules | 16:55 |
| derf | Rain that lasted for 15 minutes and was 6 hours before the flight. | 16:56 |
| LinuxCode | crashanddie, hahah sweet | 16:56 |
| dazo | RST38h: except the seat distance is not so suitable for Europeans as Chinese in economy class :-P | 16:56 |
| RST38h | derf: I spent a day in Atlanta ghetto once | 16:56 |
| * SpeedEvil retries https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7026 - no SIM - location cache removed and modem told to forget GPS position. | 16:56 | |
| povbot | Bug 7026: Can't get a GPS lock with several satellites at view | 16:56 |
| RST38h | dazo: Was ok for me. Way more than on Lufthansa anyway | 16:56 |
| angasule | derf: well, it's not the rain, it's the winds and stuff | 16:56 |
| crashanddie | LinuxCode: and it will reboot at random times during the flight... in the middle of a movie, in the middle of a poker game, etc | 16:56 |
| SpeedEvil | first attempt - lock in 10 mins with no SIM | 16:56 |
| LinuxCode | familiar used to have a tux logo in the upper left corner if I recall right | 16:56 |
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| derf | angasule: I don't believe that. | 16:57 |
| derf | The airport didn't shut down. | 16:57 |
| jenskuehnel | Hi, is there a maemo meeting/booth/something at Fosdem? | 16:57 |
| derf | It was just Delta. | 16:57 |
| dazo | RST38h: I flew Hong Kong to Frankfurt with LH ... and on our flight that was more spacious, tbh ... but no seat entertainment :( | 16:57 |
| RST38h | derf: 10 hours on a transatlantic flight, 3 hours in a line, then they tell me that my flight is cancelled and all the other flights cancelled too | 16:57 |
| lardman | Don't use the Virgin 1st class pyjamas, they are polycotton and bloody hot | 16:57 |
| LinuxCode | crashanddie, probably power reset | 16:57 |
| crashanddie | LinuxCode: no, it happens on individual seats | 16:57 |
| LinuxCode | weird | 16:57 |
| derf | I was just going from DC to NY, so I took the train. | 16:57 |
| RST38h | derf: No accommodations, "it is an act of god, sir, crosswinds in DC, sir" | 16:57 |
| crashanddie | LinuxCode: it actually says: Kernel panic | 16:57 |
| LinuxCode | crashanddie, haha ok | 16:58 |
| LinuxCode | idiots | 16:58 |
| tybollt | lardman: where the hell'd you change clothes? :) | 16:58 |
| angasule | derf: then the rain had nothing to do with it :P | 16:58 |
| lardman | tybollt: in your seat | 16:58 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: on the main page | 16:58 |
| derf | angasule: This is what I'm saying. | 16:58 |
| amigadave | jenskuehnel: see http://wiki.maemo.org/FOSDEM_2010 | 16:58 |
| RST38h | derf: Another 2 hours in line to the hotel buses, then 2 hours walking empty plazas looking for food, trying to avoid ghettomobiles coming to buy booze | 16:58 |
| lardman | tybollt: seat/pull out bed/etc | 16:58 |
| crashanddie | lardman: so what are you thinking about becoming the official maemo mascot? | 16:58 |
| jenskuehnel | crashanddie: Happend to me as well on a Delta Flight, Linuxpinguin and redboot | 16:58 |
| RST38h | derf: But THAT is not all yet :) | 16:58 |
| angasule | derf: probably some mechanical issues, a good idea not to get on the plane anyway heh | 16:58 |
| jenskuehnel | amigadave: Thanks | 16:58 |
| lardman | crashanddie: well I do have exposure ;) | 16:58 |
| tybollt | they have a lot of fun in first class don't they? :) | 16:59 |
| lardman | tybollt: nah was quite dull, no-one to talk to | 16:59 |
| RST38h | derf: 3 hours in security line next day (was the longest line I have ever seen, .RU included), they send me to NYC, I arrive there and my flight to BWI is cancelled | 16:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lardman, check the thread. :P | 16:59 |
| RST38h | derf: At that point in time, I started invoking lawyers on them, loudly | 16:59 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: thread? | 17:00 |
| lardman | on TMO? | 17:00 |
| lardman | was trying to avoid it | 17:00 |
| derf | RST38h: Did that fix anything? | 17:00 |
| RST38h | derf: Kinda | 17:00 |
| crashanddie | lardman http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=507809#post507809 | 17:00 |
| RST38h | derf: The girl became agitated, then offended, then gave me a ticket to some flight from LaGuardia and a vaucher to take a cab | 17:00 |
| tybollt | a cab voucher? | 17:00 |
| tybollt | wtf! | 17:00 |
| RST38h | derf: The cabby has not accepted their voucher, but $20 bill did the job | 17:00 |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles, crashanddie: ah I see now, lol | 17:00 |
| tybollt | did you slap her? | 17:00 |
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| crashanddie | tybollt: I paid GBP800 instead of 30 to get back to the UK in early Jan | 17:01 |
| Damion2 | where were you so desparate to get out of? | 17:01 |
| crashanddie | I was desperate to get back to work | 17:01 |
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| crashanddie | http://arrogantandcondescending.blogspot.com/2010/01/planes-in-spain-cause-passengers-pain.html | 17:01 |
| crashanddie | (my longest blog post ever) | 17:02 |
| lardman | crashanddie: ah, you should have gone for "pain in spain falls mainly on the plane (passenger)" | 17:02 |
| Damion2 | tl;dr | 17:03 |
| Damion2 | I'll skim | 17:03 |
| crashanddie | lardman: yeah yeah, at least you got the reference | 17:03 |
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| lardman | :) | 17:04 |
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| lardman | I really must check TMO more often, still scrolling past titles of new posts.... | 17:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lardman, I had 10 pages this morning. | 17:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Opened about 2 threads in tabs. | 17:06 |
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| lardman | I've topped out at 500 new | 17:07 |
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| Damion2 | it's rather unusable | 17:08 |
| Damion2 | there should be a TMO for unix experts whether they know maemo or not, and one for noobs wanting stuff or moaning about how they didn't get an iphone | 17:08 |
| Damion2 | separating them like that would get a lot more stuff done | 17:09 |
| crashanddie | anyway, I'm out guys | 17:10 |
| crashanddie | have a good day, or whatever your timezone provides you | 17:10 |
| alterego | GeneralAntilles: Thanks, good to know. Seems likea reasonibly good UI guide to me though :) | 17:10 |
| alterego | Hrm, what's the recommended video output sink for the N900? | 17:11 |
| lardman | xvimagesink | 17:12 |
| mtd | Damion2: perhaps a good research project for a NL classifier would be to implement such a categorisation. | 17:12 |
| lardman | cu crashanddie | 17:12 |
| alterego | lardman: damnit, would have to be the one that leaves artefacts all over the place and doesn't look pretty on the dashboard :P | 17:12 |
| alterego | Though it is quick .. | 17:12 |
| lardman | turn off the widget backbuffer | 17:13 |
| alterego | lardman: m'kay ... | 17:13 |
| lardman | and you only get the last image remaining | 17:13 |
| alterego | lardman: you got a func name? | 17:14 |
| * alterego checks GtkWidget | 17:14 | |
| lardman | let me have a look | 17:14 |
| alterego | I bet it's part of gdk actually. | 17:15 |
| alterego | Is it double buffering? | 17:15 |
| lardman | gtk_widget_set_double_buffered (appdata->screen, FALSE); | 17:16 |
| lardman | yep | 17:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | alterego, dunno, it takes up valuable space in the titlebar | 17:16 |
| alterego | Right. | 17:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | alterego, and all applications should have a menu there. | 17:16 |
| alterego | Should they? | 17:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it doesn't really indicate anything useful except for first-time users. | 17:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nearly all | 17:16 |
| Damion2 | anyone got any experience of an external h264 encoder with linux support? I'd like to more trivially and quickly convert loads of stuff to n900, e90, n97 and ps3 rather than sit for hours waiting for ffmpeg | 17:16 |
| lardman | why do you doubt the speed of ffmpeg? | 17:17 |
| alterego | Erm, all the h264 encoders we use at work are live streaming, not like a dedicated transcoder. | 17:17 |
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| Damion2 | lardman: cos I use it at the moment and it takes ages on my netbook | 17:18 |
| Damion2 | especially if I want to encode for my psp which benefits greatly from loads of hq quantitisation settings | 17:18 |
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| Damion2 | lardman: if I power up my noisy desktop it's faster but still not likely to be as nice as a fast dedicated usb stick | 17:21 |
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| lardman | ah I see, more involved than transcoding on the fly though | 17:21 |
| alterego | Damion2: Well, you can get a Quad Core Dell Poweredge with 8GB of RAM as an external transcoder :P | 17:21 |
| pupnik | optimize your time | 17:21 |
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| hrw | Stskeeps: marina theme can be freely used as base for own themes? | 17:22 |
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| lardman | Damion2: I don;t know if a dedicated hw transcoder will apply the various settings you want | 17:22 |
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| Damion2 | lardman: that's one major concern | 17:22 |
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| Damion2 | if true then okay, that idle thought is over | 17:23 |
| lardman | run it as an overnight batch job | 17:23 |
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| Damion2 | one issue is that I've still not quite got settings I'm happy with so a lot of it is tests and some settings are so slow that I have to wait a few mibnutes for just the 1st 30seconds of a show and that's often just the titles | 17:24 |
| lardman | patience! | 17:25 |
| lardman | a few minutes, that's nothing! :) | 17:25 |
| Damion2 | also I keep getting random difference sources to encode from, some don't work and I need to do something like mencode to a large more common format with next to no compression to avoid as much loss as possible before the reencode | 17:25 |
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| lardman | decompress to a format with *no* compression otherwise you will get losses no matter what | 17:26 |
| lardman | unless the format you compress to can use the compressed data directly of course | 17:26 |
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| Damion2 | lardman: I'm not made of disk :) Also I can't really see the artifacts if I select something like a 9000kbps mpeg2 | 17:27 |
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| Damion2 | sometimes I want a feature from ffmpeg, or mencoder but they can't read the initial format so I tend to use mpeg2 in high bitrates | 17:28 |
| lardman | all rather too involved for me I must admit :) | 17:28 |
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| Damion2 | my favourite solution is ffmpeg -i filename.something -acodec copy -vcodec copy -vtag DIVX output.avi which is what I take from bbc redux'es h264 with mp3 (rather than the more noemal aac), as my ps3 then likes the vtag | 17:28 |
| Damion2 | lardman: video transcoding has been the bane of my life for the past few years | 17:29 |
| Damion2 | I'm getting vary familar with it, but it's still a right pain | 17:29 |
| Damion2 | and it's not like it gets much easier in windows or mac | 17:29 |
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| * dazo wonders how well N900 would work as a router .... :-P | 17:32 | |
| satmd | route from to? | 17:33 |
| satmd | wlan->umts? | 17:33 |
| Dassu | dazo: poorly with default kernel | 17:33 |
| Dassu | dazo: Iptables is not included | 17:33 |
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| * satmd wants ipv6 :( | 17:34 | |
| dazo | I'm have a openvpn setup on it which I don't want to copy to my workstation at work .... so routing WLAN to a network via OpenVPN | 17:34 |
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| Damion2 | it should route perfectly well | 17:35 |
| satmd | well, putty/ssh can do a socks-proxy emulation through sshd | 17:35 |
| dazo | gah .... openvpn from work didn't work via UDP .... | 17:35 |
| Damion2 | just turn on ip forwarding | 17:35 |
| Damion2 | if yuo want NAT that;'s a whole can of worms | 17:35 |
| * satmd has not tested n900's sshd, but I suppose that'd work | 17:35 | |
| dazo | yeah, with ip_forward enabled, it should work in theory | 17:35 |
| dazo | Good point about the socks proxy | 17:35 |
| Damion2 | a 600Mhz arm linux box, it should route pretty impressively IMO | 17:35 |
| dazo | Has any one enabled any iptables packages? I'd like to see a some firewalling on it actually | 17:36 |
| Damion2 | squid and ssh with -o COnnectProxy ./httpconnectusingthing remote.host | 17:36 |
| Damion2 | you get the idea I can't remember the exact stuff | 17:36 |
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| Damion2 | dazo: yes iptables is available, but the kernel lacks some modules, and it gets worse | 17:37 |
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| dazo | worse!? | 17:37 |
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| red | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ARM-N95-LEGO-Rubik-s-cube,9566.html | 17:37 |
| red | cool | 17:37 |
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| Damion2 | daze: modules that need existing kernel options enabled within the main kernel not a module, and so you need to do the whole kernel | 17:42 |
| Damion2 | dazo: there are long threads on TMO about this | 17:42 |
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| dazo | Damion2: so the kernel just needs to be recompiled? ... nah, that's doable | 17:43 |
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| lcuk | dazo, firewalling, mm a firewall blocks data on specific ports from being passed to the app listening to that port, which apps need firewalling? | 17:44 |
| * frals preloads ovi maps with some finnish maps | 17:44 | |
| ScribbleJ | You'd be surprised, dazo. If you have luck with a PR1.1 kernel let me know. | 17:44 |
| dazo | lcuk: I just want to lock down incoming traffic, I do have SSH running, and that should only be available from selected WLANs .... and not when being connected via the mobile network | 17:45 |
| tybollt | frade: espoo area - eh? :P | 17:45 |
| Xisdibik | wazd: you around bud? | 17:45 |
| red | frals: walkthru plx :) | 17:45 |
| wazd | Xisdibik: sure | 17:45 |
| ScribbleJ | dazo, you might find some interesting tidbits here: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba | 17:45 |
| dazo | ScribbleJ: cool! thx! | 17:46 |
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| frals | red: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2009/10/13/downloading_ovi_maps_without_a_network_c courtsey of Jaffa ;) | 17:46 |
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| Xisdibik | wazd: pm, its easier ;) | 17:47 |
| wazd | download Ovi maps without internets?! | 17:47 |
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| wazd | it's a miracle! | 17:48 |
| frade | tybollt, more in Helsinki ;) | 17:48 |
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| VDVsx | wazd, ehehe, is more like using "ovi maps without internet" | 17:49 |
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| tybollt | ehr | 17:53 |
| tybollt | s/frade/frals/ | 17:54 |
| Damion2 | dazo: there was a discussion yesterday* about booting your own kernel, it;s none trivial and it's unclear how reliably it's been done, if at all by anyone so far | 17:54 |
| Damion2 | some binary only stuff not available from nokia... | 17:54 |
| frals | Helsinki area ;) | 17:54 |
| Damion2 | * for some value of yesterday where I don't know what TZ people are in. | 17:54 |
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| dazo | Damion2: gah ... so there are bits which seems not to be ABI safe .... hmmmm ..... just found https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7972 | 17:56 |
| povbot | Bug 7972: Kernel in PR1.1 build-depends on fiasco-gen which is nowhere to be found | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | hrw, cc sa 2.5 | 17:56 |
| scr4ve`away | http://paste2.org/p/647068 - any suggestions? | 17:57 |
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| hrw | Stskeeps: ok | 17:57 |
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| Stskeeps | (so yes) | 17:58 |
| dazo | scr4ve: looks like you're missing a library which the app is depending on | 17:58 |
| dazo | scr4ve: the libpysidebase library is missing another library most probably | 17:58 |
| scr4ve | dazo: I just ran apt-get install pyside-qt4-gui | 17:59 |
| scr4ve | So what's the missing lib? | 17:59 |
| dazo | scr4ve: could even be that you're having a too old library .... try to figure out which Qt4 libs pyside-qt4-gui depends on | 18:00 |
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| scr4ve | dazo: import PyQt4 works | 18:01 |
| scr4ve | PySide doesnt. | 18:01 |
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| scr4ve | ouch | 18:02 |
| dazo | scr4ve: but it looks like PySide is using a function which is not located in another library ... which PyQt4 then most probably don't use ... thus the library loaded (ld.so) will not complain about missing symbols | 18:02 |
| lizardo | scr4ve: which libqt4-maemo5-* package versions do you have? | 18:03 |
| lizardo | scr4ve: dpkg -l 'libqt4-maemo5-*' will tell you this | 18:03 |
| scr4ve | latest from extra devel i guess. | 18:03 |
| scr4ve | mom | 18:03 |
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| scr4ve | it's 4.6.2-git20100 | 18:04 |
| lizardo | scr4ve: unfortunately libqt4-maemo5-* packages (i.e. beta snapshots for 4.6) are still changing binary compatibility, so we need to rebuild pyside on each new snapshot :( once the ABI stabilizes we should not have these "undefined symbol" errors anymore | 18:05 |
| * dazo would guess that's too old | 18:05 | |
| scr4ve | ah ok | 18:05 |
| scr4ve | dazo: just ran apt-get update | 18:05 |
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| dazo | scr4ve: yeah, but lizardo's answer makes a lot of sense now .... if ABI is not stabilised, you're going to see such errors | 18:06 |
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| scr4ve | so okay. | 18:06 |
| scr4ve | I'll go on with PyQt4 and no portrait mode support :-) | 18:07 |
| satmd | E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. | 18:07 |
| satmd | :( | 18:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | satmd, symlink it to the internal card | 18:07 |
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| * dazo thinks that /usr and /var partitions should be using LVM ....... | 18:08 | |
| jenskuehnel | satmd: Had the same problem 3 hours ago, Nokia should really think about something | 18:09 |
| tybollt | nokia did think about it | 18:09 |
| dazo | not hard enough :) | 18:10 |
| tybollt | they took the quick'n'dirty fix and perpetuated it I suppose :) | 18:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | apt-get isn't really a supported installation method. | 18:11 |
| thresh | worked for me though | 18:12 |
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| satmd | well, upgrading via the gui didn't even get that far | 18:12 |
| satmd | it stuck saying 'no updates available' | 18:12 |
| jenskuehnel | The problem is that a lot of thinks don't work if root is full. I noticed first the display intensity didn't work anymore. | 18:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | thresh, the definition of "supported" being "Nokia does not ensure that installing or upgrading software using apt-get will be either safe or convenient." | 18:13 |
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| tybollt | where's that note that says root on nand was supposed to be the quickändirty fix but not for the lonf haul? | 18:14 |
| tybollt | I found it pretty hilarious :) | 18:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er? | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | you mean /opt | 18:15 |
| dazo | GeneralAntilles: well ... the GUI app is running apt-get under the hood, isn't it? | 18:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | dazo, more or less, but not entirely. | 18:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It caches to the eMMC and uses different resolution algorithms. | 18:16 |
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| dazo | aha ... hmmm those should be unified then, IMHO ... so you don't have to do GUI for all updates | 18:16 |
| dazo | or installations | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought it caches to ram/swap | 18:17 |
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| jophish | I'm trying to get streamripper to install. The debian etch deb is for arm, not armel. But later versions require an updated version of libmad0 | 18:17 |
| jophish | (and possible other packages) | 18:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | dazo, doing more stuff to apt introduces more development and QA time. | 18:17 |
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| dazo | GeneralAntilles: versus support time to help people using apt-get from command line by "error" | 18:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, an apt-get dist-upgrade can kill your install fairly easily if you have the wrong repos enabled. | 18:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | dazo, different thing. | 18:18 |
| alterego | lardman: can't get that double buffering to make a difference :/ | 18:18 |
| jenskuehnel | Ohh, one other thing: when root fs is full, df only shows /home/user/MyDocs and /mnt/mmc1 ;-) | 18:19 |
| jenskuehnel | not the full / | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | HUH? | 18:19 |
| jophish | oh wait, there is a version of streamripper for OS2008. That should work in fremantle right? | 18:19 |
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| jenskuehnel | Thanks for the help. I'm off. CU @ FOSDEM | 18:22 |
| greenfly | if I wanted to bind mount /home/user to a different partition and have the mameo5 desktop release its old file locks so it will reflect changes in the new mount point, how would I do that without a complete reboot? | 18:23 |
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| lardman | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8495806.stm great | 18:28 |
| lardman | what about us....? | 18:28 |
| wazd | damn, I hate apple, it breaks my mind | 18:28 |
| wazd | I understand that mbp is too expensive for what it gives. But it looks so nice... | 18:29 |
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| lardman | mbp? | 18:30 |
| frals | macbook pro | 18:31 |
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| lardman | k | 18:31 |
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| * mtnbkr would LOVE a routed-out block of black anodized aluminum for his N900 | 18:32 | |
| mtnbkr | like an mbp - only smaller and better :) | 18:32 |
| moo-_- | mtnbkr: just call your blacksmith and order a custom chasing ;) | 18:33 |
| wazd | mtnbkr: I guess it's impossible cause it will cover all these antennas | 18:33 |
| wazd | wifi,fm,fmt,gsm,gps,bt | 18:33 |
| mtnbkr | moo: heh yeah... Can't imagine the cost of an one-off custom replacement shell lol | 18:34 |
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| mtnbkr | wazd: yeah,that would be a problem. :( | 18:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | A kevlar shell would work | 18:35 |
| wazd | ceramic | 18:35 |
| wazd | like rado wathces | 18:35 |
| mtnbkr | SpeedEvil: ooh... I like. Or graphite, or carbon fiber, or other composite even... | 18:35 |
| SpeedEvil | carbon fibre is not radio transparent | 18:36 |
| wazd | watches* | 18:36 |
| SpeedEvil | kevlar is | 18:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | mostly | 18:36 |
| mtnbkr | or plastic... oh wait... :) | 18:36 |
| SpeedEvil | shapeways.com has some interesting options | 18:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.shapeways.com/materials/fullcolor - would be awesome. | 18:37 |
| SpeedEvil | If it wasn't for the small detail of inflexibility | 18:37 |
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| mtnbkr | someone posted inhere (I htink) a link to a site that has some interesting protective covers, and even some aluminum shells for the N900 (and other hones) but the N900 [IMHO] is a little bulky already and I think the only option would be a stronger replacement shell, not something to make it even bigger :) | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: neither is graphite | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | aluminibum shell | 18:41 |
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| * DocScrutinizer rolls eyes | 18:41 | |
| DocScrutinizer | does it have external antennea mounted all over? | 18:42 |
| mtnbkr | DocScrutinizer: lol No, it prolly comes with one of those "antenna enhancer sticky things you put on your battery" that you see on TV | 18:43 |
| mtnbkr | gotta stick it on the outside :) | 18:43 |
| mtnbkr | People will buy ANYthing it seems. | 18:44 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders which weird TV channels mtnbkr is watching | 18:46 | |
| DocScrutinizer | antenna enhancer - pffft | 18:47 |
| mtnbkr | Billy Mays Channel | 18:47 |
| * mtnbkr can't believe no one else has seen these stupid ads | 18:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer | never heard of - prolly one of the homeshopping RF polluters that also sell magnets to place to you cars fuel pipe to reduce fuel consumption | 18:49 |
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| * frals opens planet-maemo and discovers a metric mile of pictures of the n900 >_< | 18:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer | megneto-ionized fuel charged up with esoteric waves | 18:50 |
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| RST38h | reMOO | 18:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | -o reMOOunt | 18:52 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: oh? I put that magnet next to bed and it gives me "increased mental awareness and less likelyhood to get sick", it works, I swear to god!111 | 18:52 |
| Arkenoi | i preferred old conversations inbox widget behavior (scroll contents within the widget, not launch converstions application) | 18:52 |
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| mtnbkr | tybollt: lol | 18:54 |
| mtnbkr | frals: planet-maemo? | 18:54 |
| RST38h | tybollt: For optimal mental awareness you should swallow the magnet | 18:55 |
| RST38h | tybollt: Installing it into holes drilled in one's skull is also highly recommended | 18:55 |
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| RST38h | Moo, Arkenoi, how are things? | 18:56 |
| Arkenoi | so-so | 18:56 |
| tybollt | RST38h: :D | 18:56 |
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| frals | mtnbkr: http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ | 18:57 |
| mtnbkr | frals: thnaks | 18:57 |
| mtnbkr | arg... I need some "increased mental awareness" to help with my typos today | 18:57 |
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| * DocScrutinizer drills some holes into mtnbkr's skull | 18:59 | |
| DocScrutinizer | helps 100%. By lowering the pressure thus increasing blood supply to the brain | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | want a few magnets? | 19:01 |
| mtnbkr | s/ to the brain/out of the brain/ there fixed that for ya :) | 19:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | depends on your craftsman's skills | 19:02 |
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| Corsac | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8581#c5 ← rtcomm uses telepathy on top of libpurple? | 19:18 |
| povbot | Bug 8581: Conversations IM: reduce data packets to save battery | 19:18 |
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| Corsac | what's the point? (since telepathy is protocol-independant) | 19:19 |
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| satmd | ok, NOT red wire | 19:22 |
| pronto | nice | 19:22 |
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| pronto | newegg is going to replace my phone | 19:22 |
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| pronto | is there a to do a full back up? | 19:22 |
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| RST38h | there is always a way, but do you really want it? | 19:22 |
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| pronto | what doy ou mean? | 19:23 |
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| RST38h | Wow... There is actually a Russian Maemo Wiki | 19:29 |
| RST38h | Who would know? | 19:29 |
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| kevloral | hi all | 19:32 |
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| Trizt | hi kevloral | 19:37 |
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| Damion2 | lardman|gone: http://tipok.org.ua/node/13 | 19:39 |
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| an0therb0x | canola sees all my mp3 files but media player only lists files in internal drive on the n900 | 19:42 |
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| * Stskeeps facepalms at the n900 prices of things vs iphone prices of things ("but it's the same game and costs less on iphone") | 19:49 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: example? | 19:54 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: someone was complaining about price of some app being cheaper on iphone | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I give a shit on 0.79 bucks 'I'm rich' apps | 19:57 |
| Dassu | Geez, I hate when people compare Iphone to the N900 | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | why? alwaxys woth a laugh | 19:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | omg | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | why? always worth a laugh | 19:59 |
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| Stskeeps | uhh.. | 20:09 |
| RST38h | iPad! | 20:09 |
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| Jaffa | Shiny | 20:09 |
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| konfoo | ipad = chalkboard with less functionality | 20:11 |
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| scr4ve | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFNQE_TzQNI (most of you might know this one already) | 20:13 |
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| libben | I have an n900, but i havet messed with the contacts yet from my simcard, I have all my contacts setup over at google. Is there any nice way to strip that contact list? | 20:14 |
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| fcrozat | libben: remove all contacts from your n900 and force a resync over MailForExchange | 20:20 |
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| fcrozat | it will "import" your google contact | 20:20 |
| libben | well, im not familiar at all with exchange | 20:20 |
| libben | all i use is thunderbird and gmail. But ill guess ill have to take a look at what exchange is and the purpose for using it | 20:20 |
| fcrozat | you need to setup Exchange support in n900 for using gmail | 20:21 |
| fcrozat | it is not working at 100% | 20:21 |
| fcrozat | but it will work for initial push | 20:21 |
| libben | really should be an app for logging in to google just like android, and get calendar and contact working with no hassle | 20:21 |
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| mtnbkr | libben: currently there are lots of "would be nice" things in Maemo5/n900 :) | 20:24 |
| mtnbkr | But even with some of the issues, I am still really happy with mine. So many plusses..[IMHO] | 20:25 |
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| libben | yeah, i love my nokia and maemo, i had an htc hero for like 2 months, then i saw this was out, and sold my hero and bought this. android is not the same feeling. Really like having debian. So much nicer with a real linux phone then googles stuff. | 20:27 |
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| t_s_o | libben: said app is probably made by google, so if you feel like it, petition them. still, there are projects in the works to sync data between maemo and google, and such existed also on the "older" devices... | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | libben, it's called "Browser". :P | 20:28 |
| konfoo | heh | 20:28 |
| libben | =) | 20:28 |
| zaheerm | GeneralAntilles, :) being picky but on my app menu it shows as "Web" | 20:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | zaheerm, time to install timeless's en_US strings. | 20:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're using en_FI. :P | 20:29 |
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| zaheerm | GeneralAntilles, :) | 20:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It does make filing bugs rather difficult, though. | 20:32 |
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| darkcool | hi | 20:37 |
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| felipec | zaheerm: ping | 20:46 |
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| konfoo | anyone know if flash-based h264 is hw accelerated? | 20:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | konfoo, not yet. | 20:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe with 10.1. | 20:49 |
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| konfoo | ah yes, definitely with 10.1 | 20:49 |
| * ieatlint agrees | 20:50 | |
| ieatlint | html5 is just a fad | 20:50 |
| konfoo | doubtful | 20:50 |
| konfoo | but flash devs are a different species from html devs for the most part | 20:50 |
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| konfoo | has anyone done testing on acceptable bitrates and frame sizes for the n900? | 20:51 |
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| felipec | konfoo: pretty much any bitrate would work, and framesizes depend on the codec, but mostly < WVGA | 20:54 |
| konfoo | well specifically for flash.. im testing clips off our cdn and it's all over the place (but then again i can't tell off the bat what these customers are encoding their clips at) | 20:55 |
| zaheerm | felipec, pong | 20:55 |
| SpeedEvil | flash blows. Badly. | 20:55 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - youtube 'HD' - gets maybe 3-4fps on the device. | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Using mplayer gets around 60 | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | on the downloaded flv | 20:56 |
| konfoo | right but mplayer doesn't decode realtime streams | 20:56 |
| felipec | zaheerm: hey, I was just wondering if you would like to test some quick fix for your problem in msn-pecan | 20:56 |
| konfoo | i run a cdn not a download service | 20:56 |
| zaheerm | felipec, i'd love to :) | 20:56 |
| konfoo | realtime being rtmp | 20:56 |
| * SpeedEvil is unsure if you can point mplayer to a flv url | 20:56 | |
| zaheerm | rtmp doesn't mean realtime | 20:57 |
| konfoo | you can but not for maemo, and it pretty much just dumps the data | 20:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | see get_iplayer | 20:57 |
| SpeedEvil | for some source for example | 20:57 |
| konfoo | given the right patches | 20:57 |
| zaheerm | we have bitrate limited http for our flvs not rtmp | 20:57 |
| SpeedEvil | or rtmpdump | 20:57 |
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| Pavel | For my mail app, I aggregate all my incoming e-mail to one account, but use different return addresses for different categories of correspondence. I've been able to get that set up by setting up dummy e-mail accounts, with the mail server set to localhost.localdomain, which works, but (naturally) the mail app periodically pops up warnings about failing to connect. | 20:57 |
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| konfoo | yeah see rtmpdump is useless to me | 20:57 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - you're on teh otehr side | 20:57 |
| Pavel | Does anyone know if there is a way to tell the mail app "There is no incoming mail server for this account, only the outgoing one!" | 20:58 |
| felipec | zaheerm: all right... writing it :) | 20:58 |
| shinkamui | who's using an exchange account with their N900 | 20:58 |
| Trizt | exchange don't run on linux | 20:58 |
| shinkamui | I've noticed that contacts and calendar syncing don't appear to sync both ways | 20:58 |
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| Pavel | Or, at least, where the mail app keeps its configuration files. | 20:59 |
| MohammadAG | quick question, anyone else having a sim card not recognized problem? | 20:59 |
| konfoo | zaheerm: http bitrate limited using what? nginx with streaming module? | 20:59 |
| zaheerm | felipec, i think it is due to a message waiting for me...i noticed on t.m.o someone else had that problem, i never went on msn on my desktop to flush that and try pecan after | 20:59 |
| Trizt | MohammadAG; not any more, had that until week 1 this year | 20:59 |
| zaheerm | konfoo, i work for flumotion, we have our own rate limiting stuff for our ondemand streams | 21:00 |
| Trizt | or it may have been week 2 | 21:00 |
| zaheerm | konfoo, the base code is there in the open source flumotion | 21:00 |
| konfoo | zaheerm: whats your market penetration right now | 21:00 |
| Trizt | MohammadAG; has it worked before or you switched subscription? | 21:00 |
| zaheerm | konfoo, > 50% of spain's multimedia traffic | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | it just disconnected from the network and showed me the no sim icon | 21:01 |
| zaheerm | konfoo, which cdn are you with? | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | thinking it's a sim card problem | 21:01 |
| felipec | zaheerm: I don't see how that could be related... but yeah, somebody mentioned that | 21:01 |
| konfoo | zaheerm: streaming media hosting | 21:02 |
| Trizt | MohammadAG; too cold? mine looses the memory card in cold weather | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | it's working again o.o | 21:02 |
| zaheerm | felipec, because it crashes straight after receiving a message | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | indoors and it's about 9C outside | 21:02 |
| konfoo | we have clusters of nginx, fms, wms, dss, icecast, etc but im always looking for something new | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | could be 28 inside | 21:02 |
| Trizt | MohammadAG; should work, then I don't have any idea why | 21:03 |
| MohammadAG | the vibrator worked again, then broke | 21:03 |
| Trizt | need of repair ? | 21:03 |
| MohammadAG | it's been like that since I bought it | 21:03 |
| zaheerm | konfoo, we just use flumotion which handles flash, windows media, mp3 and other formats over http | 21:03 |
| Trizt | hmm, sound like you got a bad one | 21:04 |
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| Mousey | ~asl | 21:04 |
| infobot | Old enough, yes please, my place. | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | well it worked on the first day | 21:04 |
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| felipec | zaheerm: an offline message? | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | and it worked for a day this week | 21:05 |
| zaheerm | felipec, no clue but his symptoms sound the same | 21:05 |
| MohammadAG | so it could be debris, as DocScrutinizer (?) pointed out | 21:05 |
| zaheerm | felipec, of course i don't know anything about the code or the protocol, so imay be clutching at straws | 21:05 |
| * Trizt shrugs | 21:05 | |
| felipec | zaheerm: http://people.freedesktop.org/~felipec/pecan/telepathy-msn-pecan_0.1.0~rc3-0maemo2_armel.deb | 21:06 |
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| zaheerm | felipec, ok installing now | 21:07 |
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| felipec | zaheerm: actually, I'm looking at your log again... I don't think that's the problem =/ | 21:08 |
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| zaheerm | felipec, should i try it anyway? | 21:09 |
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| felipec | zaheerm: I don't think so, but up to you | 21:09 |
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| konfoo | zaheerm: got any urls for 3rd party producer/encoder components (if any)? | 21:13 |
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| zaheerm | felipec, it works! | 21:14 |
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| zaheerm | felipec, ie no segfault and i am online | 21:15 |
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| zaheerm | konfoo, http://www.flumotion.com is our commercial website http://www.flumotion.net is our open source website | 21:15 |
| zaheerm | felipec, i spoke too soon, it crashed after 10 seconds | 21:15 |
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| Xisdibik | anything new in the maemo world since i was here a 12 hours ago or so? :P | 21:16 |
| zaheerm | konfoo, flumotion is end to end, capture, encode, stream | 21:16 |
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| zaheerm | Xisdibik, yes maemo 6 got canned, symbian moving to gtk+ :) | 21:17 |
| konfoo | zaheerm: ah - no support for capture from 3rd party devices i.e. mpeg4 streaming encoders like envivio or ip-webcams outputting rtsp? | 21:17 |
| Xisdibik | zaheerm: lol whut? | 21:17 |
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| zaheerm | konfoo, we do support capture from ip webcams outputting rtsp and from windows media encoder and flash media encoder | 21:18 |
| konfoo | zaheerm: ha ok now i need to test your platform for real :) | 21:18 |
| felipec | zaheerm: I uploaded a new one... disabling offline messages | 21:19 |
| zaheerm | felipec, same url? | 21:19 |
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| felipec | zaheerm: but maemo3: http://people.freedesktop.org/~felipec/pecan/telepathy-msn-pecan_0.1.0~rc3-0maemo3_armel.deb | 21:20 |
| zaheerm | felipec, perfect trying it now | 21:20 |
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| zaheerm | felipec, giving it a few mins before i tell you it worked :) | 21:22 |
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| LuciusMare | hello | 21:22 |
| florian | re | 21:23 |
| LuciusMare | when i connect with vnc to a machine, and press a key, it is always sent twice, for example tthhiiss hhaappeennss, is it common? | 21:23 |
| konfoo | zaheerm: do you guys do adaptive bitrate switching | 21:24 |
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| * Arif_ yawns | 21:24 | |
| LuciusMare | and, what is interesting, when i press fn and any special key, it is once sent with the fn and second time without - is mapped on fn+f, so "-f" is sent | 21:24 |
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| lcuk | LuciusMare, i dunno about second problem, but vnc from my n900 to home mahcine never gives dduuppeess | 21:26 |
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| Pavel | Is it just me, or is the search box on maemo.org broken? | 21:28 |
| Pavel | I've typed in words found on the front page, and got no results. | 21:29 |
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| SWFu | Hi all, whats the best IRC client for my N900? | 21:30 |
| thresh | irssi | 21:30 |
| tuxer | agreed | 21:30 |
| Pavel | X-Chat works fine for me, though I also use it on desktop. | 21:31 |
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| SWFu | Thanks, I'm using X-Chat on my desktop here too | 21:31 |
| zaheerm | konfoo, yes | 21:31 |
| Pavel | Is irssi textmode? | 21:31 |
| zaheerm | felipec, fixed! been running like 10 mins no segfault | 21:31 |
| felipec | zaheerm: cool :) | 21:32 |
| konfoo | zaheerm: and h264 for flash? (sorry for all the questions :P) | 21:32 |
| zaheerm | konfoo, yes :) | 21:32 |
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| zaheerm | konfoo, h264, h263, vp6 aac, mp3 | 21:32 |
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| zaheerm | konfoo, we even have flumotion working on n900 streaming from the camera | 21:33 |
| konfoo | zaheerm: can i pull in a stream via wme and output to flash for example (i looked through the oss docs but they only deal with free codecs) | 21:33 |
| zaheerm | konfoo, yes, though that feature is in beta | 21:33 |
| konfoo | zaheerm: and live iphone streaming? | 21:34 |
| SWFu | Will we ever get video calling support for Skype, do you think? | 21:34 |
| zaheerm | konfoo, yes, though another beta feature :) | 21:34 |
| tuxer | Pavel: yup, irssi is text-based client | 21:34 |
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| konfoo | zaheerm: so if i licensed the cdn edition that would be a paid upgrade, or bundled? | 21:34 |
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| zaheerm | konfoo, you would have to talk to product and sales..... | 21:34 |
| konfoo | ok | 21:35 |
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| zaheerm | konfoo, but i can get the right person to talk to you if you want, i am just a dev :) | 21:35 |
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| konfoo | you know offhand how many people in the us are using it for cdn distribution? | 21:35 |
| zaheerm | konfoo, we have not much presence in the US | 21:35 |
| konfoo | ya that would help. i'd like to put it on a test server on the cdn and test it out | 21:35 |
| konfoo | btw telefonica is one of our biggest customers (south america) | 21:36 |
| zaheerm | konfoo, telefonica is one of our resellers (spain) | 21:36 |
| konfoo | ha | 21:36 |
| zaheerm | konfoo, i have to go now but email me at zaheer at flumotion dot com and i will put you in touch | 21:37 |
| konfoo | ok will do | 21:37 |
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| * Pavel would suggest X-Chat instead, then. | 21:42 | |
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| lcuk | zaheerm, hey dude, i was just talking today some more about the BCN meetup, where did you publish the paperwork produced by the community? | 21:42 |
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| * lcuk emails | 21:43 | |
| mikhas | uh, my stuff was hopefully published to the bin .. | 21:45 |
| mikhas | =D | 21:45 |
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| lcuk | mikhas, nahhh its all important, good bad or indifferent, it was community content afterall | 21:49 |
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| mikhas | you could work for google's PR dept | 21:50 |
| mikhas | you make wrong things sound good | 21:50 |
| Pavel | mikhas: Who, me? | 21:51 |
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| mikhas | oh dear | 21:51 |
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| * frals sets the alarm for 0400 | 21:59 | |
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| frals | after being used to not getting up before 10 for the last month this is gonna be interesting.. :P | 21:59 |
| tybollt | :) | 21:59 |
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| ieatlint | getting up early is a sin | 22:00 |
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| Stskeeps | frals: good luck on your trip | 22:01 |
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| frals | Stskeeps: :) bit nervous about getting lost in HEL :D | 22:02 |
| satmd | better lost in HEL than HELL | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | frals: just remember not to assume you can take metro from central station. | 22:03 |
| tybollt | shrug - just bring a bottle of Kosken and all people wil be very friendly... | 22:03 |
| frals | Stskeeps: roger, ive checked the maps and my hotel is like 2km from NRC so I figure I can take a walk.. seems its like 2km from the nearest metro to the hotel anyway :P | 22:04 |
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| Stskeeps | frals: and when you fly back, give yourself atleast 2 hours to get to airport. almost missed my plane last time cos of traffic jam. | 22:06 |
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| frals | Stskeeps: cheers, will do :) | 22:07 |
| frals | btw, how is it with free wifi access around the airport/generally in helsinki? | 22:07 |
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| pajp | McD has free wifi :-) and helsinki city has its own free wifi in the very center | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | helsinki is okay, if you are bored outside nrc there's wifi too | 22:07 |
| koala_man | can I use standard bluetooth hid joypads on the N900? all I can find on google is info about zeemote and wiimote | 22:08 |
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| frals | pajp, Stskeeps: thanks :) | 22:09 |
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| * Stskeeps ponder 'maemo.org guide to helsinki' | 22:10 | |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: good idea | 22:11 |
| frals | Stskeeps: do it! :) | 22:11 |
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| felipec | zaheerm: I've got a fix that might work for you | 22:11 |
| felipec | do you want to try? | 22:11 |
| Myrtti | there might be some need for Guide to Tampere as well, if peeps are coming in for Akademy | 22:11 |
| Jaffa | re | 22:12 |
| lcuk | mikhas, i work for collabora, bringing people together is a good thing | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | or 'guide to helsinki visitors using maemo devices' ;p | 22:12 |
| alterego | Came up with another little idea for a toy app for the N900. | 22:12 |
| Myrtti | oh bother. This ready made caipiroska is rubbish | 22:13 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: how's travel tomorrow looking? | 22:13 |
| lcuk | based on the phone call i just got 5 minutes ago im even doubting this weekend | 22:14 |
| * Jaffa 's work could be a problem - could've been there all night tonight :( | 22:14 | |
| Jaffa | lcuk: :( | 22:15 |
| alterego | Thought I'd ask unless someone else has already done it. | 22:15 |
| alterego | Basically, it's a stop motion animator film creating thingy | 22:16 |
| alterego | You set it up, touch the sccreen everytime you want to take a frame, then at the end it build an mjpeg film. | 22:16 |
| lcuk | alterego, its been requested in liqbase, onion skinning my sketches would be relatively easy | 22:16 |
| alterego | With the camera? | 22:17 |
| alterego | I forgot to mention, it's with the camera. | 22:17 |
| alterego | Well, will you be pissed if I do a standa alone app? :P | 22:17 |
| lcuk | theres probably a basic gtk app that does it that would likely work without change then | 22:17 |
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| alterego | Yeah, I was gonna look into it a little. | 22:18 |
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| lcuk | certainly not, i welcome full and complete replacement for things i mess around with in liqbase | 22:18 |
| Quibus | hi all | 22:18 |
| Quibus | Is there someone here involved in applications for an account to upload to #extras(-devel)? | 22:19 |
| Quibus | I've sent mine last Friday, but no word yet | 22:19 |
| lcuk | Quibus, maybe there was a bit of backlog, or it slipped between the cracks, if its not turned up in the morning send a reminder perhaps? | 22:21 |
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| Quibus | lcuk: OK, will do, thanks | 22:22 |
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| Jaffa | Quibus: X-Fade is on holiday this week, I don't know who is back-filling | 22:24 |
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| Quibus | Jaffa: aha, thanks. I'll be patient until next week at least, then :-) | 22:25 |
| Jaffa | Quibus: worth asking who is, you shouldn't have to wait IMHO | 22:26 |
| alterego | Yeah | 22:26 |
| alterego | I had to wait ages, but my request got lost, so it was only until I was complaining about it here, and he happened to be here at the same time that it got sorted :P | 22:26 |
| frals | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXmv8quf_xM wow... | 22:28 |
| Jaffa | I'd hope duties have been handed over and BAU isn't a key man dependency | 22:29 |
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| dnaumov | what tool(s) can one use to quickly take a screenshot of the phone ui? | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | ctrl-shift-p | 22:30 |
| alterego | CTRL+SHIFT+P | 22:30 |
| Jaffa | dneary might know, or VDVsx mebbe | 22:30 |
| dneary | Jaffa, or alterego or GeneralAntilles | 22:31 |
| pyhimys | Is there a way of pressing crtl+shift easily single handedly? | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, hmm? | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | pyhimys, use your thumb? . . . | 22:32 |
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| dneary | pyhimys, You don't need to press them at the same time | 22:32 |
| pyhimys | GeneralAntilles: are the keys sticky | 22:32 |
| dneary | StickyKeys in da house | 22:32 |
| pyhimys | oh they are | 22:32 |
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| pyhimys | thanks :D | 22:32 |
| anpr | heya :) | 22:32 |
| oldchap | hi maemo people | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | pyhimys, you can pretty easily cover both with a single finger, too. | 22:32 |
| Quibus | Jaffa: who to ask? | 22:32 |
| optx | hi @ll | 22:33 |
| optx | anybody aircrack running ? | 22:33 |
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| mtnbkr | dnaumov: there's a load/memory app that goes in dropdown menu that ALSO includes camera | 22:33 |
| oldchap | I have tried to figure out how to download maemo5 free and non-free code, not sdk | 22:34 |
| oldchap | is there git where the download can be done easily | 22:34 |
| ShadowJK | hey that's funny, gpodder downloading from youtube throws 403 forbidden when I use my highly normal squid proxy | 22:34 |
| ShadowJK | but works fine direct | 22:35 |
| mtnbkr | dnaumov: it gives you 20 secs to hit the camera button to take snapshot or it auto-snaps in 20 secs otherwise | 22:35 |
| * ShadowJK wonders if youtube is throwing 403 at the added headers or if they've just banned the host.. | 22:35 | |
| Quibus | alterego or GeneralAntilles? | 22:36 |
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| MohammadAG | vibrator's working again | 22:38 |
| slops17 | what is the default root password for the maemo sdk virtual image | 22:38 |
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| MohammadAG | use fakeroot | 22:39 |
| RST38h | http://glossynews.com/society/201001070305/activists-missing-after-declaring-war-on-leather-at-motorcycle-rally/ | 22:39 |
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| lcuk | slops17, try maemo | 22:39 |
| slops17 | trying to install vmware tools and it asked for the pw | 22:39 |
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| * RST38h cackles of satisfaction | 22:39 | |
| slops17 | thanks | 22:39 |
| lcuk | if its not, then i dunno | 22:40 |
| jon1012 | are there people from maemofrance here ? | 22:40 |
| slops17 | ill try and let u know | 22:40 |
| jon1012 | or anyone from france here ? | 22:41 |
| jon1012 | willing to beta test some apps ? :) | 22:41 |
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| Jaffa | dneary: I meant about who's covering X-Fade | 22:44 |
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| dneary | Jaffa, Ah. | 22:47 |
| dneary | Daniel Wilms | 22:47 |
| dneary | Ferenc, Tero and Niels are all away this week | 22:47 |
| dneary | Niels is back Monday | 22:47 |
| Quibus | Is Daniel on IRC? | 22:47 |
| dneary | Quibus, No | 22:47 |
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| dneary | Well, not now | 22:47 |
| Quibus | dneary: what's his nick? | 22:47 |
| dneary | Quibus, danielwilms | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quibus, late in the day EU time. ;) | 22:47 |
| ShadowJK | uh! | 22:47 |
| Quibus | thanks | 22:47 |
| Quibus | GeneralAntilles: he sounds Dutch, and I'm Dutch as well | 22:48 |
| Quibus | (i.e. his name) | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | German, AFAIK | 22:48 |
| dneary | You're more likely to get him by email | 22:48 |
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| dneary | And yes, he's a German | 22:48 |
| ShadowJK | I thought my N900 was running slow... I opened top, and there's a zillion sshd processes... someone is trying to bruteforce user and password :) | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | daniel(dot)wilms(at)nokia(dot)com | 22:48 |
| ShadowJK | the downside of 3g, I'm not behind NAT :) | 22:48 |
| Quibus | OK, I'll try to contact him, thanks guys | 22:48 |
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| dneary | Night(dot)night(at)home(dot)nety | 22:48 |
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| lcuk | lol dneary :D gnite | 22:49 |
| dneary | Quibus, maemo-community for any non-private matter of course | 22:49 |
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| lcuk | or maemo-dev since it was a developer request | 22:49 |
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| hrw|gone | btw - can extras-devel get something to check and reject all packages with "Maintainer: My Name <My Email>" like fields? | 22:50 |
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| lcuk | hrw|gone, lintian type sanity checks? | 22:52 |
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| hrw|gone | lcuk: lintian would be great - even pre-etch one (maemo5 compatible) | 22:52 |
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| hrw | re | 22:52 |
| lcuk | yeah agreed in principle, not sure if its there/used/configurable | 22:52 |
| hrw | lcuk: no, it is not used in maemo | 22:53 |
| autarch | dumb n00b question - how do I get mp3s from my linux box onto my n900? | 22:53 |
| hrw | autarch: connect it by usb and select 'storage mode' on n900 | 22:54 |
| autarch | and more specifically, is there a way to get the n900 to show up as a device in rhythmbox? | 22:54 |
| hrw | autarch: then just copy | 22:54 |
| autarch | hrw: did that | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw, maemian. | 22:54 |
| autarch | hrw: copy to where on the n900? | 22:54 |
| koala_man | autarch: install sshd and just scp! | 22:54 |
| hrw | autarch: never used rhytmbox | 22:54 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: que? | 22:54 |
| ifreq | autarch: scp / rsync over ssh | 22:54 |
| autarch | koala_man: that seems ideal | 22:54 |
| koala_man | it's awesome | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemian/ | 22:54 |
| Jaffa | dneta | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno when it'll be deplayed. | 22:54 |
| ifreq | do rsync script to keep it up2date | 22:54 |
| autarch | well, rhtyhmbox would be ideal, but scp is ok | 22:54 |
| ifreq | .P | 22:54 |
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| lcuk | stskeeps / jebba, from what you know of the build system so far, would it be practical/feasible to add lintian checking to the autobuilder process, not just for the one request hrw just found, but for other checking? | 22:55 |
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| autarch | I have too many mp3s to just sync everything | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, jeremiah is working on that. | 22:56 |
| lcuk | :D great! | 22:56 |
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| * lcuk has been watching lintian output recent | 22:58 | |
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| oldchap | what is the best way to download all the code from repository/pool/maemo5/? | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | why would you want to? | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:59 |
| lcuk | oldchap, neural transfer interface | 22:59 |
| oldchap | just want to check the code | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | for backdoors? | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:00 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: it is lintian modified or 'let reinvent wheel^Wlintian' thing? | 23:00 |
| oldchap | no | 23:00 |
| oldchap | i couldn't do that | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw, it's lintian modified to be compliant with Maemo requirements. | 23:01 |
| hrw | oldchap: wget | 23:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | hrw, jeremiah's a DD, soo. . . . | 23:01 |
| oldchap | robots.txt denies that | 23:01 |
| oldchap | i tried that | 23:01 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: at least it is based on recent lintian or etch? | 23:01 |
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| oldchap | but recursive wget does not succeed | 23:01 |
| hrw | oldchap: wget can ignore robots.txt | 23:01 |
| hrw | oldchap: jebba described his way of mirroring on wiki | 23:02 |
| hrw | oldchap: wiki.maemo.org user:jebba | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw, think it's based on the svn release or something. | 23:02 |
| oldchap | sorry by ignorance but how robots.txt can be skipped | 23:02 |
| hrw | oldchap: man wget | 23:02 |
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| hrw | GeneralAntilles: I hope that sooner then later it will start to work | 23:02 |
| oldchap | :) i knew that | 23:03 |
| oldchap | thanks i will take a look and try again | 23:03 |
| hrw | # Setting this to off makes Wget not download /robots.txt. Be sure to | 23:04 |
| hrw | # know *exactly* what /robots.txt is and how it is used before changing | 23:04 |
| hrw | robots = off | 23:04 |
| hrw | thats my .wgetrc | 23:04 |
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| * frals reads http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/android-kernel-problems.html | 23:04 | |
| * Scelt notices that people use a lot /me in freenode | 23:06 | |
| * lcuk didnt | 23:06 | |
| Stskeeps | it's irc, /me is socially acceptable | 23:07 |
| * Scelt didn't mean it to be a bad thing | 23:07 | |
| Myrtti | Scelt: how long have you IRC'd on IRCnet? | 23:07 |
| * lcuk uses irc /me like twitter ;) | 23:07 | |
| jebba | lcuk: ya, seems lintian could be tied into the process somewhere | 23:07 |
| * dracflamloc hurr hurrrr. twitter makes me post like a moron! | 23:07 | |
| Scelt | Myrtti: hmph, I think since 2002 | 23:07 |
| Myrtti | Scelt: that would be the reason then for you feeling that way | 23:08 |
| hrw | jebba: it is not 'could' but rather 'should' | 23:08 |
| lcuk | jebba, thanks, GeneralAntilles just confirmed jeremiah is investigating it | 23:08 |
| hrw | jebba: about 2 years ago ;D | 23:08 |
| Pavel | A channel I used to hang out in had a bot that kept track of the most active users, and the users who did the most /me actions. | 23:08 |
| Scelt | Myrtti: most likely | 23:08 |
| inz | /me thinks it's more fun to say /me | 23:08 |
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| * scr4ve uses /me in normal jabber chat, also - pidgin wins :-) [ot] | 23:08 | |
| lcuk | Pavel, yeah | 23:08 |
| lcuk | ive run stats here | 23:08 |
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| wazd | anybody with Marina installed here? | 23:08 |
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| Myrtti | when I was more active there, I had /me aliased to /say /me | 23:09 |
| hrw | wazd: /me | 23:09 |
| * scr4ve submits a feature request @ bugs.maemo.org: /me should be interpreted correctly. | 23:09 | |
| wazd | hrw: oh, cool | 23:09 |
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| lcuk | screwy formatting http://liqbase.net/maemo_incomplete_ircstats.htm | 23:09 |
| hrw | wazd: lack of appmenu icon suxx | 23:09 |
| wazd | hrw: can you tell me what font color mail notifications have? | 23:09 |
| wazd | hrw: app menu? | 23:09 |
| hrw | wazd: brown on yellow? | 23:09 |
| inz | lcuk, "by MAINTAINER" =) | 23:09 |
| Scelt | Myrtti: :] at least people don't automatic now playing scripts. damn, I don't miss the mid-2000's quakenet | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | is this a known issue for N900 it doesn't switch back to 2G when UMTS/3G becomes unavailable? | 23:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | for data | 23:10 |
| lcuk | inz, you put up proper ones then | 23:10 |
| Myrtti | Scelt: indeed | 23:10 |
| hrw | wazd: menubar in nokia themes has kind of "\/" arrow if there is a menu. marina theme lacks it | 23:10 |
| wazd | hrw: cause some users get white on yellow somehow | 23:10 |
| lcuk | they were quick and to see | 23:10 |
| hrw | wazd: I saw that | 23:10 |
| Dassu | what are you guys using for viewing open office files? | 23:10 |
| hrw | Dassu: openoffice | 23:10 |
| Dassu | oke | 23:10 |
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| wazd | hrw: oh. I actually don't know how I removed it :D | 23:10 |
| inz | lcuk, I'm not even on the "didn't make it to the top" list, no way I'm putting any stats. | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw, the UI spec doesn't recommend that anyway. | 23:11 |
| wazd | hrw: it was unintentional | 23:11 |
| Dassu | in what repo is that hrw ? | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw, Nokia can't agree whether or not to use it in their apps, however. | 23:11 |
| * lcuk has http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/MaemoUrls on his toolbar | 23:11 | |
| lcuk | :D lol inz | 23:11 |
| hrw | Dassu: ah, you mean on nokia tablets? | 23:11 |
| inz | Does it still work =) | 23:11 |
| lcuk | yeah live updates | 23:11 |
| Dassu | n900 | 23:11 |
| lcuk | nice tool | 23:11 |
| inz | Seems to =) | 23:11 |
| lcuk | very handy | 23:11 |
| * wazd solved Esc key mystery | 23:11 | |
| wazd | it's not Windows, it's Photoshop | 23:11 |
| Dassu | openoffice is portable not sure if it has already been ported | 23:12 |
| lcuk | inz, theres times i'd like one for every channel | 23:12 |
| lcuk | its really handy, it would be great to actually make an xchat plugin to do it (if there isnt one already) | 23:13 |
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| TomaszD | evening | 23:13 |
| hrw | hi Tomek | 23:13 |
| autarch | ok, so I can scp music, but to where? | 23:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | mauve.plus.com plz. | 23:15 |
| hrw | Dassu: sure, it is sort of portable. but also require some libs which first needs to be built for maemo which require some other libs etc. | 23:15 |
| wazd | hrw: I think I've found it | 23:15 |
| inz | lcuk, I actually do have =) | 23:15 |
| lcuk | autarch, root@riaa.com:/home/fred/music | 23:15 |
| hrw | Dassu: anyway then it will need lot of ram to run | 23:15 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: to do what? | 23:15 |
| wazd | sneaky bastard | 23:15 |
| inz | lcuk, erm, such logs for every channel I'm on | 23:15 |
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| inz | lcuk, no xchat plugin (don't use) | 23:15 |
| autarch | Icuk: great, what's the pw? | 23:16 |
| lcuk | trac is a cool system, whats the log scraper written in? | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the amazing thing been, when I entered into subway, it not only switched back to 2G display in systray and data connectivity stalled - it even didn't show up my GPRS in "internet connections" any more | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | when I switched to "2G only" and then back to "Dual" it happily connected via 2.5G | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and jumped back to 3.5G when I left the tunnel | 23:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Add a bug '3g should work underground'. | 23:18 |
| Myrtti | it totally does in Finland | 23:18 |
| inz | lcuk, it's actually a irssi plugin that inserts stuff into MySQL =) | 23:18 |
| wazd | in fact, underground is the only place where 3G works in Moscow :D | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: 2G should work when available. Without kicling it to start | 23:19 |
| inz | lcuk, so it's not log scraping, but an action on urls | 23:19 |
| lcuk | inz, crafty but effective | 23:19 |
| inz | yup | 23:19 |
| SpeedEvil | wfm | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: the issue is it doesn,t switch to 2G automatically | 23:19 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: in warsaw not even 2g works in metro :P | 23:20 |
| frals | if you didnt get the connection in "internet connection" settings it sounds like it lost your sim (since they seem to filter gprs iap's by simimsi nr) | 23:20 |
| wazd | I have a stupid question. Can anybody give me any shot of Marina with titlebar? :D | 23:21 |
| inz | lcuk, it actually also does HEAD on the url, I have the mime types also in the db | 23:21 |
| wazd | cause I forgot to save fullsized shots :( | 23:21 |
| hrw | wazd: app or desktop? | 23:21 |
| inz | lcuk, (and also a handful of "nosniff"s | 23:21 |
| wazd | hrw: app | 23:21 |
| lcuk | inz, have you seen what i was doing with irc client in maemo, just a sec | 23:21 |
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| hrw | moment | 23:22 |
| wazd | hrw: thx | 23:22 |
| ShadowJK | It's problematic because the operator is more often than not incompetent at configuring their network, so phone manufacturers and operators are stuck in an endless loop blaming eachother | 23:22 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20091201_141600._maemo.scr.png | 23:22 |
| * lcuk notes hrw is on that screenshot | 23:22 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: aaah, ok | 23:23 |
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| inz | lcuk, I don't do graphical irc clients =) | 23:23 |
| inz | lcuk, how do the avatars work (i.e. where do you get them from) | 23:23 |
| lcuk | inz, i know, but that is extracting urls and data from the irc stream just like your irssi plugin | 23:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: pretty - but fundamentally opposite to the way IRC works for me. | 23:23 |
| lcuk | thats a lookup to maemo.org avatar | 23:23 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, i hate getting micro urls in xchat on tablet | 23:24 |
| wazd | http://my-symbian.com/other/grafika/scr246.jpg | 23:24 |
| lcuk | to have to fiddle to view | 23:24 |
| wazd | I know that there's a menu here | 23:24 |
| lcuk | most of the time its photos | 23:24 |
| wazd | but no arrow | 23:24 |
| ShadowJK | One could argue the design of 3g/gsm is braindead when the device isn't allwed to just scan all frequencies and connect to whatever is strongest | 23:24 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: how? - you just click | 23:24 |
| hrw | wazd: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/download/maemo/Screenshot-20100203-222411.png | 23:24 |
| lcuk | i just want them easily viewable (the nobbles work for urls too | 23:24 |
| lcuk | yeah speedevil | 23:24 |
| lcuk | opens fullscreen | 23:24 |
| wazd | hrw: thx | 23:25 |
| lcuk | the exact same principle could work in the conversations client | 23:25 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: fair enough - I suppose clicking and showing in a little window would work | 23:25 |
| hrw | wazd: or http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/download/maemo/Screenshot-20100203-222515.png | 23:25 |
| wazd | hrw: if you're not bored, a screen with an actual arrow would be awesome :) | 23:25 |
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| hrw | wazd: which 'actual arrow'? | 23:26 |
| wazd | hrw: with another theme | 23:26 |
| hrw | ah | 23:26 |
| hrw | np | 23:26 |
| wazd | hrw: ta | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, can you darken up the text on notifications? | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't manage to read the blue on yellow. | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i added lardman on facebook and already his picture is starting to show up in my Suggestions. | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: it scares me. | 23:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, he's a virus! | 23:27 |
| hrw | wazd: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/download/maemo/Screenshot-20100203-222701.png is with digital nature | 23:27 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: what blue? | 23:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, the blue text in notifications. | 23:28 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: screenshots please, you know I'm blind :P | 23:28 |
| lcuk | lol Stskeeps GeneralAntilles | 23:28 |
| SpeedEvil | oooh. | 23:29 |
| SpeedEvil | We really hope that you are enjoying your brand new N900 device. We value your opinion, and would like to invite you to join our exciting N900 study. By taking part in this study, you can influence future product development, and after successful participation, you will be rewarded with a John Lewis voucher for £50! | 23:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: (grphite for case) make that another crystal structure same element ;-) | 23:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/marina-notification.png | 23:30 |
| SpeedEvil | coal! | 23:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, I find the notification colors lack contrast. | 23:30 |
| wazd | derp | 23:30 |
| thresh | wait what frozen bubble in my maemo? | 23:30 |
| SpeedEvil | actually - I have wondered about a brass+wood case | 23:30 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: you know, you have the third color variant of that notification :D | 23:31 |
| SpeedEvil | thresh: diddn't work when i tried to install | 23:31 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: people already have white abd brown | 23:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, huh? | 23:31 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32761&page=11 | 23:31 |
| thresh | from extras-devel or what? | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | oh, that's interesting | 23:31 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: and the funniest thing is that I don't even know how to change that | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | hoops frenzy is source code for sale | 23:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weird | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | well, for 199 $ | 23:32 |
| mtnbkr | frals: Just watched that tracert video... wow is right... "that's obviously a shared server..." ug.... | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: well if you think diamant is a little exaggerated, then make that hardened glass | 23:32 |
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| wazd | GeneralAntilles: you bet | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, I love all the bugs we're turning up in Hildon. | 23:33 |
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| Stskeeps | some of them maybe gtkrc ones though | 23:34 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: are you using 1.05? | 23:34 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: sure, but those bugs will never be fixed | 23:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, I just updated, but didn't reboot. | 23:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Catorise exposed, what, 3? | 23:34 |
| hrw | anyway time to go for me | 23:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | hrw, we might have a chance if we can get together enough bribe money for konttori. :P | 23:35 |
| SpeedEvil | anyone else got a 360meter study? | 23:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not I | 23:37 |
| wazd | btw, I heard there was an option to give summit device to someone if the owner got a retail device, am I correct? | 23:38 |
| SpeedEvil | including SMSy software and stuff | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | err a what? 360meter? | 23:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I got a mail to the address I gave the nokia UK shop - requesting my participation in a stufy. | 23:39 |
| autarch | how do I rsync to the n900? I can't find an rsync package for it | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i think that was the 'black markets' thing discussed | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aeha | 23:39 |
| SpeedEvil | apt-get install rsync | 23:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, well, you can mail it back to Peter and I think Quim will mail them back out to somebody else. | 23:39 |
| ShadowJK | rsync is in extras or extras-testing.. grsync shows up in app manager, just rsync can be installed with apt-get | 23:40 |
| wazd | ah, nm then | 23:41 |
| autarch | oh duh | 23:41 |
| autarch | I was sitting there using the browser to install stuff | 23:41 |
| Damion2 | rsync is in testing for some reason | 23:41 |
| ShadowJK | I don't think it's user/ or I'd vote it up.. | 23:43 |
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| dnaumov | http://jago.pp.fi/images/linuxdesktop.jpg :) | 23:45 |
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| Shadikka | :) | 23:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Oooh. I just read further! It's a 50 quid voucher on completion of the survey - not a 50 quid voucher maybe. | 23:52 |
| SpeedEvil | This is silly. 499 -15% -15% -15% -49.99 (topcashback) -50 (study) | 23:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Shiny. | 23:53 |
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| simoneb_ | why I can't give the execution permission to a script? "chmod +x filename" returns with success but doesn't set the permission | 23:57 |
| simoneb_ | even with "sudo gainroot" | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | +x won't work on vfat | 23:57 |
| SpeedEvil | mydocs has noexec | 23:57 |
| simoneb_ | ouch. | 23:58 |
| simoneb_ | so neither /opt has? | 23:58 |
| SpeedEvil | no - only mydocs | 23:58 |
| simoneb_ | ok, i'll just move it out from MyDocs - thanks | 23:58 |
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