| derf | Huh, someone packaged CELT. | 00:00 |
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| derf | I wonder what it's being used for. | 00:00 |
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| derf | Oh, it was jebba. | 00:01 |
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| PaulAnagrama | hi. where are the desktop web shortcuts kept, what directory? | 00:19 |
| PaulAnagrama | (on n900) | 00:19 |
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| PaulAnagrama | where are the desktop web shortcuts kept, what directory? | 00:27 |
| redeeman | how does one even make those? | 00:28 |
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| villager | redeeman: "Add bookmark" from the desktop editor menu? | 00:29 |
| PaulAnagrama | from the browser, click on the "+" on the left of the address... and then select: | 00:29 |
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| PaulAnagrama | add shortcut to desktop | 00:29 |
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| PaulAnagrama | I'm interested where are they kept, what directory | 00:30 |
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| nomis | I think it is time again for a rant against hinting: http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/files/zoom-hinting-disaster.png | 00:53 |
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| nomis | the right column is zoomed into a web page with hinting enabled, the second column has hinting switched off. | 00:54 |
| nomis | s/left/right/ | 00:54 |
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| nomis | duh. | 00:54 |
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| nomis | first column: hinting enabled, second column: hinting disabled. | 00:55 |
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| nomis | ...not that the letter spacing would be good in the unhinted version... | 00:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | nomis, Firefox bug. | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | nomis, personally, I can't believe that that's not a blocker. | 01:00 |
| nomis | GeneralAntilles: yeah, I wonder if it places the letters individually using some metrics information from the font directly. | 01:00 |
| * SpeedEvil fails to see anything wrong. | 01:01 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | nomis, hinting isn't the term you're looking for, by the way. | 01:02 |
| zash | is it skype or collabora or nokia or some combination who make telepathy-spirit? | 01:02 |
| Robot101 | yes :P | 01:02 |
| nomis | SpeedEvil: look in the first row, compare the text rendering of the word "für", "strenge", etc. | 01:02 |
| nomis | GeneralAntilles: well, hinting is what I disabled to get the different font rendering. | 01:02 |
| nomis | GeneralAntilles: hinting can change the metrics of the letters, influencing the position of the letters. | 01:03 |
| tps_ | hello... anyone using PySide on maemo here? | 01:04 |
| nomis | SpeedEvil: in "Vorbild" renders "bi" too closely together with the hinted fonts. | 01:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | nomis: Ah. After staring at it for >60 seconds, I do indeed see that. | 01:05 |
| nomis | SpeedEvil: the letter spacing is way too inconsistent to be considered "legible". Especially when zooming in. | 01:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | nomis, problem is, it doesn't adjust the font rendering when you zoom in. | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | nomis, so the spacing is still based on 100% zoom when you're at 150%. | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thus, zooming that is completely and utterly useless. | 01:06 |
| nomis | yeah, something like this probably. | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | nomis, something exactly like that. ;) It's the bug and it's in Gecko. | 01:07 |
| nomis | GeneralAntilles: well, this is where hinting comes into play: for unhinted fonts zooming at least kind-of works. | 01:07 |
| zash | Robot101: :P | 01:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | bug #7335 | 01:07 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7335 Browser shows strong font kerning bugs (esp. when zooming) | 01:07 |
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| nomis | GeneralAntilles: mhm, I don't see that effect it in my regular firefox. Although I also have hinting disabled on my desktop. | 01:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=470440 | 01:08 |
| povbot` | Bug 470440: was not found. | 01:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | nomis, it's fixed in newer versions, apparently. | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | But the desktop Firefox uses a different zooming method. | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which doesn't exhibit this bug. | 01:09 |
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| nomis | ah. | 01:09 |
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| nomis | hah, and they fix this by disabling hinting. :) | 01:12 |
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| xorAxAx | gah, my scratchbox is broken | 01:19 |
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| ml-mobile | I am amused at all the gpio notices in dmesg | 01:20 |
| hardaker | nomis: did they make any speed improvements with ff 1.0? I found the betas to be way too slow compared to the osso browser. | 01:21 |
| nomis | hardaker: not sure to what you're comparing it to. The browser on the n900 IMHO is fast enough to not disturb the browsing experience. Could be faster probably, but it is sufficient. | 01:22 |
| hardaker | it sounded like you were using firefox | 01:23 |
| hardaker | which I installed once and cringed at the speed | 01:23 |
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| nomis | hardaker: it is the default browser on the n900, which AFAIK is the "fennec" mobile browser from mozilla | 01:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | nomis, er, no. | 01:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | MicroB != Fennec | 01:25 |
| nomis | not? | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not even close. | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, aside from the fact that they're both using Gecko. | 01:26 |
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| nomis | ok. | 01:26 |
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| FIQ | no opera on maemo/other installable os-es on n900? :< | 01:27 |
| ml-mobile | there's a webkit based browser in testing | 01:27 |
| FIQ | would be awesome with something like opera 10 desktop for n900. :3 | 01:28 |
| ml-mobile | and there's work on other OSes, but nothing usable yet | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | is ff optified? | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | fennec | 01:28 |
| ml-mobile | well, Opera is closed so you'll have to bug them for a release :> | 01:29 |
| FIQ | yeah | 01:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | IE! | 01:30 |
| nomis | SpeedEvil: sorry for the confusion, the browser on the n900 is not fennec, it is microB. | 01:30 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 01:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm currently downloading fennec | 01:30 |
| nomis | ah. | 01:30 |
| nomis | (it is surprisingly hard to find the "microB" name in the browser...) | 01:30 |
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| FIQ | but it wouldn't be that hard to port? | 01:31 |
| FIQ | as far as I know, it's not a big different between maemo and linux-desktop-source and it would almost only need minor changes and a recompile for getting it running on maemo? | 01:31 |
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| redeeman | unless they have non-portable stuff | 01:31 |
| SpeedEvil | firefox-recent is going to use way too many resources | 01:31 |
| red | damn butterfly going "unable to connect to one or more accounts" on me 24/7 | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | ff-1.5 - I wonder if might not work quite well | 01:32 |
| red | tried rebooting and going offlined -> normal mode couple times :l | 01:32 |
| FIQ | SpeedEvil: fx != opera | 01:32 |
| red | anyone tried butterfly AND pecan? | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I know | 01:32 |
| red | does the latter have same issues? | 01:33 |
| ml-mobile | FIQ: no reason it would be hard, but would it be woth their time | 01:33 |
| ml-mobile | worth* | 01:33 |
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| FIQ | http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=288424 | 01:38 |
| FIQ | Seems like it already was a topic about it.. but it doesn't seem to get any response from dev (only people repeating the request) | 01:38 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:45 |
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| TomaszD | interesting http://git.kernel.org/?p=bluetooth/bluez.git;a=commit;h=0218ab79ea881c593111b7165cd57337c711d2ec | 01:53 |
| xorAxAx | dwimd is in -devel! | 01:53 |
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| xorAxAx | does maemo 5 execute every script in init.d? | 01:54 |
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| woglinde | he qwerty | 01:55 |
| pupnik | congrats xorAxAx | 01:56 |
| Remosi | xorAxAx, probably only the scripts in /etc/rcS.d and /etc/rc2.d/ which will be symlinks to scripts in /etc/init.d/ | 01:56 |
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| xorAxAx | Remosi: good | 01:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | xorAxAx: and the manual? | 01:58 |
| xorAxAx | DocScrutinizer51: there is a readme file | 01:58 |
| xorAxAx | as i wrote in #dwimd | 01:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | Interesting. | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | First load times of fennec are actually better - for me - than microb. | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | But. | 02:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | It rapidly loses as it starts to eat more mem. | 02:20 |
| hardaker | supposedly they sped up load times for the real 1.0. | 02:20 |
| hardaker | but Ihaven't tried it. | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | It would be interesting if you could evict microb from ram | 02:20 |
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| cehteh | stop browserd | 02:35 |
| pupnik | browsing t.m.o. now is just a joy | 02:35 |
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| pupnik | i am so happy that a few months after i wish for javascript-stopping, i got it. | 02:36 |
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| xorAxAx | pupnik: and, have you had a look at dwimd yet? | 02:37 |
| pupnik | will do | 02:37 |
| pupnik | hm. time to sleep | 02:41 |
| woglinde | nite pupnik | 02:42 |
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| Pio | http://www.amazon.com/Mommy-Why-There-Server-House/dp/160530641X | 03:19 |
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| red | ey, any way to disable desktop background alltogether? | 03:43 |
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| red | im guessing solid bg color would strain the cpu / gpu less while scrolling bgs making the animation smoother? | 03:44 |
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| celesteh | every night around this time, my n900 makes two quiet chimes and when i look at it, i can't tell why it's done it | 04:09 |
| SpeedEvil | battery low? | 04:10 |
| Remosi | celesteh, mine makes noises like that from time to time | 04:13 |
| cehteh | red: since its all composited it wont make a difference | 04:13 |
| Remosi | Since the PR1.1 update | 04:13 |
| Remosi | I /think/ it's saying that it has reconnected to one of your accounts | 04:13 |
| Remosi | but it doesn't pop up a banner telling you this | 04:13 |
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| jebba | celesteh: ya, mine just started to do that it seems, since PR1.1. I keep looking and thinking wtf? I thought it may have just been some weird thing i had done ;) | 04:14 |
| Realcomix | hi | 04:19 |
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| pupnik | nice update to tower toppler. correctly handles suspend on task switch now | 04:24 |
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| PhonoN900 | does anyone care to help me troubleshoot an issue on my N900? I'd be really grateful for any help... | 04:28 |
| SpeedEvil | with? | 04:28 |
| pupnik | ask your real question instead | 04:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe that's his problem. | 04:28 |
| SpeedEvil | He can't post specific questions. | 04:28 |
| roadi | lol | 04:28 |
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| roadi | is it a bug that my incoming phone calls are very low - nearly muted and i cant turn it up? | 04:31 |
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| pupnik | roadi: can you increase volume with rocker button? | 04:35 |
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| roadi | no - thats what i am always try to do - i am getting it a little bit louder bit in the next second its nearly muted. | 04:39 |
| SpeedEvil | roadi: if you bang the phone - a bit - does it recover? | 04:40 |
| woglinde | hm seems like the error the other has | 04:41 |
| roadi | well this happend 2 or 3 times a day - but not on every call. | 04:42 |
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| roadi | i'll investigate it on saturday. i have someone with a flatrate. | 04:46 |
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| PhonoN900 | sorry, i guess i lost my connection... y'all still here, did you catch my question? don't know if i've been talking to a black hole for the past 20 minutes | 04:56 |
| PhonoN900 | well, just in case, this is my issue... | 04:57 |
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| PhonoN900 | i installed a theme called nuvotheme. it has a transition effect that makes a tap of "more" look like a wave... ie your icons appear on your screen in a "wave" | 04:57 |
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| PhonoN900 | the theme was buggy, see this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=489930#post489930 | 04:57 |
| PhonoN900 | my post is the last one | 04:58 |
| PhonoN900 | basically, i merged that transition into all my themes (I think) and in so doing, I have issues with my desktop (in terms of the way icons are arranged and responsiveness) | 04:58 |
| PhonoN900 | i need to (I think) run a command that will fix this command (this is when my issues started): cp -r /opt/themes/nuvofre/transitions.ini /usr/share/hildon-desktop/ | 04:58 |
| PhonoN900 | thanks in advance for any help... | 04:58 |
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| woglinde | try rm /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini ? | 05:07 |
| PhonoN900 | woglinde: thanks for making an effort, much appreciated. I'll try it now | 05:08 |
| woglinde | you had better backup the orignal transitions.ini | 05:09 |
| PhonoN900 | no such file or directory | 05:09 |
| PhonoN900 | woglinde: probably to late for that? | 05:10 |
| woglinde | jupp | 05:10 |
| PhonoN900 | burn... thanks for your help, anyways | 05:10 |
| woglinde | ask someone to provider you this file again | 05:11 |
| woglinde | what is ls -la /opt/themes/nuvofre/transitions.ini saying? | 05:11 |
| PhonoN900 | it says no such file or directory | 05:13 |
| woglinde | what is ls -la /opt/themes/nuvofre/ ? | 05:13 |
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| PhonoN900 | -s -la /opt/themes/nuvofre/ | 05:15 |
| PhonoN900 | sorry | 05:15 |
| PhonoN900 | -sh: s: not found | 05:15 |
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| woglinde | what is ls -la /opt/themes/nuvofre/ ? | 05:16 |
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| Phono | this wifi is killing me | 05:31 |
| Phono | woglinde: you still around? | 05:31 |
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| Phono | matt_c: welcome fellow mobitopian | 05:33 |
| Phono | woglinde: sorry, but the phone keeps connecting to wifi, and then it betrays me. i have turned off wifi | 05:34 |
| TheNewAndy | hey, I'm about to transcode some music from flac for my n900 | 05:35 |
| TheNewAndy | in the interests of battery life, what format should I use? | 05:35 |
| woglinde | I have to go | 05:35 |
| woglinde | good nite | 05:35 |
| Phono | in case you didn't get the output from the command you asked me to run, it is as follows | 05:35 |
| Phono | no worries, night | 05:35 |
| woglinde | phono I only wanted to get sure the dir exist | 05:36 |
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| ShadowJK | TheNewAndy, http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2009/11/07/n900-battery-duration-ogg-vs-mp3/ | 05:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ouch | 05:55 |
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| TheNewAndy | ShadowJK, thanks | 05:58 |
| TheNewAndy | Next newbish question, are there any problems with installing the sdk on a 64-bit system? (aside from having to force it to install) | 05:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, ping? | 06:04 |
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| jebba | TheNewAndy: you should be able to use it fine. | 06:06 |
| jebba | i set it up with fedora12 x86_64 here: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Fedora | 06:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Guh | 06:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8426 | 06:06 |
| povbot` | Bug 8426: cant find cupholder button | 06:06 |
| TheNewAndy | awesome. I just borrowed it from work, and I'm really impressed... I think it is time to upgrade my 810 :) | 06:07 |
| jebba | whoops, rather, here: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/SDK | 06:07 |
| Tester | h/ar | 06:09 |
| Tester | oops | 06:09 |
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| matthew- | BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH | 06:15 |
| matthew- | BONUSES CAME THROUGH !! | 06:15 |
| matthew- | HAHAHAHA | 06:15 |
| matthew- | screw you obama | 06:16 |
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| PhonoN900 | in case anyone runs into the issue i was having (after installing nuvofre), go to settings - restore original settings | 06:18 |
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| PhonoN900 | pupnik, SpeedEvil: You can both go fuck yourselves. If you can't (or don't want to) help, then do us all a favor and shut the fuck up. | 06:24 |
| matthew- | PhonoN900: They are actually one of the most helpful people here | 06:25 |
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| PhonoN900 | they certainly weren't helpful to me. honestly... all i got was snarkeyness and a few lols | 06:26 |
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| PhonoN900 | i don't appreciate it. i asked a legit question, and i asked it respectfully | 06:27 |
| PhonoN900 | all i got was non-help and douchebaggery | 06:27 |
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| PhonoN900 | sorry to ruffle feathers, but it rubbed me the wrong way | 06:28 |
| matthew- | PhonoN900: to be honest, i dont care | 06:28 |
| matthew- | i just got a 7 figure bonus | 06:28 |
| matthew- | so you all can suck on it | 06:28 |
| PhonoN900 | fair enough | 06:28 |
| PhonoN900 | awesome | 06:28 |
| matthew- | its 4:28am and i can see my heartbeat | 06:29 |
| matthew- | through my skin | 06:29 |
| matthew- | adrenaline hit in | 06:29 |
| Macer | hm | 06:30 |
| Macer | clear has wimax in chicago now | 06:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | PhonoN900, keep the insanity to a minimum, thanks. | 06:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | matthew-, so off topic. | 06:31 |
| matthew- | GeneralAntilles: I so do not care right now :) | 06:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | matthew-, good, neither do I. Just take it elsewhere. | 06:32 |
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| _andy | TheNewAndy, i will destroy you. | 06:32 |
| matthew- | GeneralAntilles: Dont be jealous hating boy :) | 06:32 |
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| jebba | PhonoN900: i just see you complaining, but i dont see your actual question here in my scrollback... | 06:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Indeed, I think it may have been lost somewhere along the line. | 06:43 |
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| Macer | are they getting rid of conan obrien? | 06:43 |
| Macer | no kidding | 06:43 |
| Macer | that's a damn shame | 06:43 |
| Macer | jay leno totally fucking sucks | 06:43 |
| pekuja | Macer: they're not getting rid of him, but they're hassling him enough that he'll leave | 06:44 |
| uhsf | i'm missing his last show because i don't have cable tv but i'll try to catch a torrent this week-end | 06:45 |
| pekuja | when is his last show? | 06:45 |
| Macer | that sucks | 06:45 |
| pekuja | I didn't know there was a date | 06:45 |
| Macer | they probably get more ratings with him | 06:45 |
| Macer | it looks like it's not pekuja | 06:45 |
| pekuja | I can't wait to see what Conan does next. | 06:45 |
| uhsf | tonight is conan's last show | 06:45 |
| jebba | woo hoo. got jack into extras-devel :) | 06:45 |
| Macer | because he says that "it was great being on the tonight show" | 06:45 |
| pekuja | Macer: you're watching it right now? | 06:46 |
| Macer | yeah | 06:46 |
| pekuja | :-/ | 06:46 |
| Macer | it's funny... "we didn't rehearse because we dont' care. we're all drunk" | 06:46 |
| pekuja | I can't watch it either. Will torrent later >__> | 06:46 |
| uhsf | there are tom hanks and will ferrell i think | 06:46 |
| Macer | it's a damn shame. i hate jay leno | 06:46 |
| Macer | conan obrien is great compared to leno | 06:46 |
| uhsf | one that should take quite advantage of this is letterman | 06:47 |
| Macer | yeah because he is way better than leno too | 06:48 |
| Macer | i don't see how leno even got the show | 06:48 |
| Macer | i just don't see it | 06:48 |
| Macer | maybe because old people who don't have to work watch him more or something? | 06:48 |
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| crashanddie | anyone living in Brisbane here? | 06:54 |
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| jebba | git clone git://gitorious.org/freemoe/freemoe.git | 06:54 |
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| kkb110 | wow so many people in maemo channel! | 06:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, ping? | 07:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ovi Store .installs seem to force a repo refresh with every one. | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | So installing Ovi stuff takes for freaking ever. | 08:06 |
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| Proteous | gawd, leave it to GeneralAntilles to complain about a free repo refresh | 08:21 |
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| Proteous | :P | 08:21 |
| Proteous | some of us pay good money for that | 08:21 |
| crashanddie | you're going to pay even more money if the bandwidth costs go up due to a stupid forced refresh | 08:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, pretty sunset pictures. | 08:23 |
| crashanddie | ta | 08:24 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: I'm honestly thinking I might bail out of this project | 08:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, oh? | 08:24 |
| crashanddie | I'm seriously depressed at the price of decent accomodation | 08:24 |
| crashanddie | Been looking for the past week, today had two applications rejected | 08:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where are you, exactly? | 08:24 |
| crashanddie | brisbane | 08:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting | 08:25 |
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| * RST38h yawns and asks crashanddie what project he is talking about | 08:43 | |
| crashanddie | RST38h: work project | 08:43 |
| RST38h | Ovi Store related? =) | 08:43 |
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| RST38h | hmmm...tmo is down | 08:54 |
| Proteous | that is so strange | 08:56 |
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| Proteous | that acronym always makes me think of tmobile | 08:57 |
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| RST38h | tmobile always makes me think of tmo. | 08:58 |
| Proteous | :P | 08:58 |
| * RST38h just had to beat off some apple fanatics insisting that the $40/mo difference in AT&T vs TMobile pricing is due to "superior network AT&T has" | 08:59 | |
| RST38h | (+ TMobile plan requires no commitment, apparently :)) | 08:59 |
| Proteous | I have a $40 tmobile no commitment plan | 08:59 |
| Proteous | 500 mins talk plus unlimited interwebs for my n900, no sms | 09:00 |
| RST38h | Sounds right | 09:00 |
| Proteous | I got it cause ATT data doesn't work during the day in my town | 09:00 |
| RST38h | I have been looking at unlimited plans, it is $80 vs $120 | 09:00 |
| RST38h | Proteous: eek. | 09:00 |
| Proteous | which is which? | 09:00 |
| RST38h | $120 is AT&T of course, how else? :) | 09:01 |
| Proteous | well, and ATT's no contract data sucks | 09:01 |
| Proteous | heh | 09:01 |
| RST38h | Well $120 is 2-year contract | 09:01 |
| Proteous | the only reason ATT can do anything is because of the iphone | 09:01 |
| Proteous | it's like thier savior and devil all in one | 09:01 |
| Proteous | sorta funny really | 09:01 |
| RST38h | The initial conversation started with the standard "If only iPhone cost $100 in Russia, like it does in the US..." | 09:01 |
| Proteous | don't get me started on the whole subsidized phone thing | 09:02 |
| RST38h | Well, ($120-$80)*2*12 + $100 ... you know :) | 09:02 |
| Proteous | heh | 09:02 |
| Proteous | but they maths, theys be hards | 09:02 |
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| Proteous | I wish us "already got my phone thanks" people could get a "I dont' need to pay you a monthly fee to pay off my phone" price on our plans | 09:03 |
| Proteous | Which is actualy what google is trying to do with thier phones sales | 09:04 |
| Proteous | unlink the phone from the provider | 09:04 |
| RST38h | As I understand things, TMobile no-contract plans are just that | 09:04 |
| RST38h | No subsidized phone, right? | 09:04 |
| Proteous | eventualy offer versions of the phone that will work on CDMA and GSM or at least offer the same phone options for each, so you buy your phone, then you can pick what provider you want | 09:05 |
| penguinbait | not in USA | 09:05 |
| Proteous | they have versions of both | 09:05 |
| Proteous | penguinbait: not in the usa what? | 09:05 |
| penguinbait | <RST38h> No subsidized phone, right? | 09:05 |
| RST38h | CDMA+GSM won't happen until there is a good itnegrated chip for that | 09:05 |
| Proteous | RST38h: yeah, that's what I'm talking about | 09:06 |
| Proteous | eventualy there may be just that | 09:06 |
| RST38h | penguinbait: So, those no-contract TMobile plans, they still give you a phone? | 09:06 |
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| penguinbait | well it depends on what mean | 09:07 |
| penguinbait | you pay up front get back money over time, provided they dont change the rates | 09:07 |
| penguinbait | because you have no contract | 09:07 |
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| Proteous | you can't get a no 2 year contract plan with a subsidized phone | 09:08 |
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| Proteous | you can get a pre pay plan with a susidized phone and a 2 year contract | 09:08 |
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| penguinbait | I meant nobody is offering a 250$ n900 on a 2 year contract. You can the n900 in UK for free on 2 year contact | 09:09 |
| Proteous | you can get a no contract prepay plan and just get a sim card | 09:09 |
| Proteous | no one is offering the n900 subsidezed in the USA | 09:09 |
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| spectre- | howdy | 09:09 |
| spectre- | loving the n900 | 09:10 |
| Proteous | the one company using the 3g bands that the n900 supports in the USA is tmobile and they are not going to sell the n900 subisdized, or sell it at all really | 09:10 |
| Proteous | spectre-: isn't it great | 09:10 |
| spectre- | showed it off at the Uganda LUG meet yesterday | 09:10 |
| spectre- | gonna import a bunch here | 09:10 |
| Proteous | I got to fondle my first n900 at a local LUG :) | 09:10 |
| spectre- | haha sweet :D | 09:10 |
| Proteous | it was what was being presented | 09:10 |
| spectre- | yeah, everyone was blown away | 09:10 |
| Proteous | let me tell you, it was sweet that in order to demonstrate it they just hooked it's ouput right to the projector they were using | 09:11 |
| spectre- | dude | 09:11 |
| spectre- | same here | 09:11 |
| spectre- | haha | 09:11 |
| spectre- | thats what i did here | 09:11 |
| Proteous | a little bit of mucking around with the terminal font to get it to show up well and presto | 09:11 |
| spectre- | played some star trek | 09:11 |
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| Proteous | "look I can run apt-get on here MHUAHAHHAHA" | 09:11 |
| spectre- | hahahaha | 09:11 |
| spectre- | yeah | 09:11 |
| spectre- | the multitasking blows people away | 09:12 |
| Proteous | yeah | 09:12 |
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| spectre- | the hardware is amazing to people too | 09:12 |
| spectre- | as it's more powerful than many of their laptops | 09:12 |
| Proteous | heh | 09:12 |
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| spectre- | and certainly more feature rich :p | 09:12 |
| spectre- | if uganda could control it's fm frequency's it'd be really nice | 09:13 |
| Proteous | look, my pocket computer has 3g and wifi | 09:13 |
| spectre- | you get massive interference here | 09:13 |
| Proteous | that sucks | 09:13 |
| spectre- | yeah | 09:13 |
| spectre- | everyone broadcasts all over the spectrum | 09:13 |
| RST38h | penguinbait: Oh it was not about n900 | 09:13 |
| spectre- | brb! | 09:14 |
| RST38h | spectre: make a coup, come to power, decree fm frequency controls! | 09:14 |
| spectre- | hahahaha | 09:14 |
| Proteous | RST38h: if you don't already know, howardforums.com is the place to go to find out wtf is going on with cell phone providers plans and options | 09:14 |
| Proteous | then impliment everyone use ulltra wide band | 09:15 |
| Proteous | then teach me proper english | 09:15 |
| Proteous | gah | 09:15 |
| RST38h | Proteous: My interest is purely academic for the moment | 09:15 |
| RST38h | Proteous: I pay $10-$20/mo for cell services, no contract | 09:16 |
| Proteous | with a data? | 09:16 |
| RST38h | Data at $0.14/MB | 09:16 |
| spectre- | HAHA | 09:16 |
| RST38h | Which come down to the above number. | 09:16 |
| Proteous | that's pretty cheap | 09:16 |
| RST38h | Will see what introduction of 3G does to it though. | 09:17 |
| spectre- | here in uganda i was paying $1062 a month for 256k connection for our business | 09:17 |
| spectre- | up until three months ago | 09:17 |
| Proteous | ouch | 09:17 |
| spectre- | fiber came ;p | 09:17 |
| Proteous | ... | 09:17 |
| RST38h | hehe | 09:17 |
| spectre- | still expensive as shit too | 09:17 |
| spectre- | and DUMB companies | 09:18 |
| spectre- | so like Orange, for example | 09:18 |
| spectre- | now offers a 9gb plan for $125 with a 3mo lifespan | 09:18 |
| spectre- | so run out and you gotta top-up | 09:18 |
| spectre- | 3g | 09:18 |
| spectre- | but, if you want that on your phone they don't offer it | 09:19 |
| spectre- | so you can't have voice and data without buying data by the kilobyte | 09:19 |
| spectre- | which comes to 50 dollars a meg by their pricing | 09:19 |
| flux | use skype?-) | 09:19 |
| spectre- | on a 3g network!! | 09:19 |
| Proteous | the latency of most 3g would make skype horible | 09:20 |
| flux | it would likely give you better sound quality atleast | 09:20 |
| Proteous | heh | 09:20 |
| spectre- | so this 3g i'm on on the n900 is the sim from the usb data modem they sell | 09:20 |
| spectre- | but they won't give me a phone number for this sim | 09:20 |
| Proteous | so no voice service on it | 09:20 |
| Proteous | heh | 09:21 |
| spectre- | even though that's what 3g was designed for | 09:21 |
| spectre- | i get data plan or voice, but not both | 09:21 |
| Proteous | have you tried some of the voice apps for the n900? | 09:21 |
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| spectre- | even though their competitor will happily do so with gprs | 09:21 |
| Proteous | maybe the 3g connection latency isn't so bad there | 09:21 |
| spectre- | skype works well here | 09:21 |
| Proteous | problem solved :P | 09:22 |
| spectre- | i've done 3g skype to the us | 09:22 |
| spectre- | to family and it is clear | 09:22 |
| spectre- | so yeah | 09:22 |
| spectre- | :) | 09:22 |
| spectre- | fiber dropped our latency down to 350ms to the US | 09:22 |
| spectre- | baseline | 09:22 |
| Proteous | not bad | 09:23 |
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| spectre- | when we were all on vsat 3months ago latency was 800 min | 09:23 |
| flux | actually, wouldn't using skype be the way this thing should work: operators are just the data pipe, you get services elsewhere :) | 09:23 |
| Proteous | flux, in a perfect world... | 09:23 |
| spectre- | yeah, but the problem for me is that calling to uganda phones via my skype account | 09:23 |
| Proteous | things are sorta starting to move that way | 09:24 |
| spectre- | is more expensive than using the local cell network | 09:24 |
| Proteous | heh | 09:24 |
| spectre- | so i can't quite ditch the telco's | 09:24 |
| spectre- | i think i'm just going to drop back to the competitions gprs unlimited data + voice plan | 09:25 |
| spectre- | slower but no data cap and can use cell too | 09:25 |
| spectre- | anyone mess with qik? | 09:26 |
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| flux | tried it once. | 09:26 |
| spectre- | ah. i'm trying to figure out how to disable automatic uploading/archival of vids | 09:27 |
| flux | spectre-, just get your friend on skype too and it becomes free ;) | 09:27 |
| flux | I don' think that's possible | 09:27 |
| flux | infact I didn't even find out how to remove the videos afterwards | 09:27 |
| spectre- | i just want live streaming with OPTIONAL archival | 09:27 |
| flux | (although their visibility can be adjusted later) | 09:27 |
| spectre- | hmmm | 09:27 |
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| spectre- | i wish ipv6 would come out | 09:28 |
| spectre- | to get rid of abusive natting by isp's | 09:28 |
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| flux | it's quite strange that n900 didn't come with ipv6 enabled | 09:28 |
| spectre- | then we could just host the stream locally on the device | 09:28 |
| spectre- | what? | 09:28 |
| spectre- | n900 isn't compatible with 6::: | 09:28 |
| spectre- | ??? | 09:28 |
| flux | correct! | 09:29 |
| spectre- | lol! | 09:29 |
| spectre- | wtf | 09:29 |
| flux | indeed | 09:29 |
| kkb110 | moblin is threatening maemo!! | 09:29 |
| flux | I suppose it's possible to compile the ipv6 support in, though | 09:29 |
| jebba | i've compiled in ipv6 into a kernel | 09:30 |
| spectre- | perhaps a future os update will include it? | 09:30 |
| flux | jebba, does the rest of the hw work also? | 09:30 |
| jebba | flux, everything works fine. Except its just for pr1 not pr1.1 yet, due to non-free software added to the flasher ( https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7972 ) | 09:31 |
| povbot` | Bug 7972: Kernel in PR1.1 build-depends on fiasco-gen which is nowhere to be found | 09:31 |
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| flux | (just voted on bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356) | 09:33 |
| povbot` | Bug 356: Kernel lacks IPv6 support | 09:33 |
| flux | jebba, I suppose the last comment on that 7972 is promising | 09:34 |
| jebba | ya, except that was days ago. Tough to keep up with recent kernels if they put up non-free stuff in the way... | 09:35 |
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| flux | week is not a lot of time in a corporate environment | 09:38 |
| flux | maybe it'll be brought up at the next sprint ;-) | 09:38 |
| jebba | week is eternal for a kernel update ;) | 09:38 |
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| ml-mobile | hmm | 09:49 |
| ml-mobile | so I take there are closed modules for the kernel, I must not have noticed | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | on N900? | 09:51 |
| ml-mobile | yes | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | as in .ko's, no - but currently we have a bug where it depends (non-critically) on fiasco-gen for building | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | all kernel modules are open | 09:52 |
| ml-mobile | oh, ok | 09:52 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: is it worthwhile flashing my n900 with the new firmware? | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: PR1.1? very | 09:57 |
| ml-mobile | I haven't had a single watchdog reboot since the new firmware rolled out | 09:58 |
| crashanddie | k | 09:59 |
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| spectre- | HAHAHAHAHA | 10:18 |
| pronto | eh? | 10:18 |
| MohammadAG | hey people | 10:18 |
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| rosseaux | hmm, my own XM Player is running with 1%-5% cpu load, if i'm starting over a SSH connection over openssh on the N900, but 100% cpu load with audio buffer overruns, if i'm starting it in the local X-Terminal. What should be that please? | 10:18 |
| MohammadAG | my n900 vibrator motor works again | 10:18 |
| spectre- | i am on my n810 | 10:19 |
| spectre- | bluetoothed to my n900 | 10:19 |
| MohammadAG | or not :( | 10:19 |
| spectre- | at a money changed place in kampala | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | spectre-: with the DUN addon? | 10:19 |
| MohammadAG | well it worked for 3 minutes, that's a start | 10:19 |
| spectre- | yep | 10:20 |
| spectre- | haha this is so sweet | 10:20 |
| MohammadAG | rebooting again | 10:21 |
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| spectre- | so i can have a friend use this | 10:21 |
| spectre- | while i use the n900 | 10:21 |
| spectre- | orrrr | 10:21 |
| spectre- | use this to watch my hava player in the us | 10:21 |
| spectre- | while using the n900 for something else | 10:21 |
| spectre- | hahaha | 10:22 |
| spectre- | i'm giddy with geek excitement | 10:22 |
| pronto | oh really now? | 10:22 |
| spectre- | ;D | 10:22 |
| pronto | *stabs* | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | spectre-: now if you could try to do DUN from your n810 -and- n800 ;p | 10:23 |
| spectre- | hahaha | 10:23 |
| pronto | then some how tie an apple newton in the mix :p | 10:24 |
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| spectre- | i should make the n900 a transparent squid cache | 10:24 |
| spectre- | i'd like to figure out how to turn the n900 wlan into a hotspot | 10:24 |
| spectre- | so it becomes an AP | 10:24 |
| pronto | i've done that with older HTC phones | 10:25 |
| spectre- | in my pocket with caching | 10:25 |
| pronto | the wlan hotspot part | 10:25 |
| spectre- | can the n900 do it? | 10:25 |
| pronto | not sure, never looked into it | 10:25 |
| spectre- | cause here in uganda that would be amazing for my organization | 10:25 |
| spectre- | we're a health care org | 10:26 |
| spectre- | we could give this to a squad of doctors with laptops | 10:26 |
| spectre- | send them into the field (literally) | 10:26 |
| spectre- | and they'd all have net access and access to our web services and databases | 10:26 |
| pronto | why not just get those laptop cards for internet | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | spectre-: i think joikuspot is coming up for n900 | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | spectre-: but i think a AP with usb port and a n900 would be better :P | 10:27 |
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| Stskeeps | (hackable to do DUN through usb) | 10:27 |
| pronto | what i think would be awesome is that mirco usb port to a usb hub, for a wired keyboard and mouse :p | 10:28 |
| spectre- | joikuspot? | 10:28 |
| pronto | then use that debain chroot with LXDE :D | 10:28 |
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| spectre- | brb switching back over | 10:33 |
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| anders_gud | mypaint 0.7.1 Fremantle is out for grabs: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=488460#post488460 | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | does fremantle have pressure readings btw? | 10:53 |
| anders_gud | same pressure problem | 10:53 |
| anders_gud | as mer | 10:54 |
| anders_gud | small range and inverted | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:54 |
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| anders_gud | so I believe its a sw. problem | 10:55 |
| anders_gud | in gtk or X | 10:55 |
| anders_gud | same readings mer on n810 and Fremantle on n900 | 10:57 |
| RST38h | Moo Stskeeps | 10:58 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: N900 pressure readings exist but they are not worth a shit | 10:58 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Is there any place where I can download Mer rootfs? (not as part of vmdk image, we somehow cannot convert it back to normal fs) | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: for x86? yes | 11:00 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: url? =) | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/0.17testing11/mer-x86-generic-image-v0.17testing11.tar.gz | 11:01 |
| RST38h | thanks =) | 11:01 |
| jebba | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/0.17testing11/mer-armel-n900-rootfs-v0.17testing11.tar.gz for N900 | 11:01 |
| RST38h | http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/a/l/alexandreev/clouds.jpg | 11:03 |
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| anders_gud | n900 screen should read pressure just fine http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/902537 | 11:16 |
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| arachnist | hi | 11:16 |
| anders_gud | but this is way over my head tough... | 11:16 |
| arachnist | is there a way to cleanly (i.e. not breaking rest of the system) remove all of the language files except for the -enus and -engb? | 11:17 |
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| arachnist | i already have "dpkg -l |awk '/l10n/ && $2 !~ /en(us|gb)$/ { print $2 }'", but feeding apt-get remove with that list prompts me to remove entire system | 11:19 |
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| ShadowJK | I suspect you'd have marginally better results deleting the files belonging to those packages manually | 11:25 |
| ShadowJK | it'll probably break once next update comes :) | 11:25 |
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| arachnist | that might be an option | 11:34 |
| arachnist | now i need to see if there's an awk function for checking if the given path is a file | 11:34 |
| arachnist | (because i don't want to pipe everything through bash. it'd take ages) | 11:35 |
| crashanddie | maemo.org repo still down for me | 11:37 |
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| crashanddie | can someone give me the repo's IP address? | 11:37 |
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| ShadowJK | at some point the clone to mmc/sd options start looking more attractiv... | 11:38 |
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| ShadowJK | Address 1: 81.23.243.144 | 11:41 |
| ShadowJK | Address 2: 81.23.243.142 | 11:41 |
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| lardman | morning | 11:46 |
| RST38h | heya lardman | 11:46 |
| lardman | I've just realised that mbarcode can be promoted to extras, but am not sure it's quite ready, especially as dragly's been cracking on with a Qt ui for the new improved version | 11:47 |
| lardman | hey RST38h | 11:47 |
| anders_gud | lardman, thanks for numpy | 11:48 |
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| lardman | wasn't me actually | 11:48 |
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| lardman | was tanner | 11:49 |
| anders_gud | well anyway :-) | 11:49 |
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| lardman | Hmm, I didn't fix the blas problem that stopped Octave from building, must do that and push octave today | 11:49 |
| lardman | unless someone's already done so that is | 11:50 |
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| thresh | mmm | 11:50 |
| thresh | last.fm scrobbling for media player, anyone? | 11:50 |
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| arachnist | thresh: vagalume? | 11:50 |
| arachnist | (or something along that) | 11:51 |
| arachnist | dpkg -L $(dpkg -l |awk '/l10n/ && $2 !~ /en(us|gb)$/ { print $2 }')|while read path; do [[ -f $path ]] && echo $path; done | xargs rm | 11:51 |
| arachnist | nothing like one-liners | 11:51 |
| thresh | seems like an overhead | 11:51 |
| thresh | let's try though | 11:52 |
| arachnist | ^^ that one-liner saved me 6MB :> | 11:52 |
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| TheNewAndy | I'm trying to install the sdk on a 64-bit ubuntu karmic desktop | 11:59 |
| TheNewAndy | I've installed scratchbox with the instructions from here: | 12:00 |
| TheNewAndy | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#Installation_of_x86-64_Debian_based_distributions | 12:00 |
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| TheNewAndy | Now, I'm trying to do the sdk install. After accepting the license agreement I get: | 12:00 |
| TheNewAndy | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! | 12:01 |
| TheNewAndy | has anyone seen this before? | 12:01 |
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| LuciusMare | hi, i found the process /usr/bin/modest running on my tablet - any ideas what is it? | 12:02 |
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| arachnist | LuciusMare: mail client | 12:03 |
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| LuciusMare | oh | 12:03 |
| LuciusMare | thanks | 12:03 |
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| lardman | bbiam, reboot | 12:04 |
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| thresh | how do i select multiple packages to install in AppM? | 12:05 |
| jebba | cant | 12:06 |
| ifreq | you go into console and apt-get install packagenames | 12:06 |
| thresh | duh | 12:06 |
| thresh | ifreq: i have no idea what the console is ! | 12:06 |
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| dantonic | hi | 12:06 |
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| lardman | can I do an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade to upgrade SB? | 12:07 |
| lardman | or rather is there any reason to not do that? | 12:07 |
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| anders_gud | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8435 | 12:08 |
| povbot` | Bug 8435: Strange readings from pressure sensitive applications using gtk.gdk.AXIS_PRESSURE | 12:08 |
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| dantonic | does anyone know if maemo5 has a "trash" directory where the system stores deleted files? this might be a linux question, not sure | 12:08 |
| lardman | no it doesn't | 12:09 |
| dantonic | I deleted a big file but haven't recovered the full space | 12:09 |
| dantonic | oh | 12:09 |
| lardman | the root fs is compressed | 12:09 |
| lardman | so you may not recover as much space as the file apparently took up | 12:10 |
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| dantonic | well i'm talking about /MyDocs | 12:10 |
| lardman | hmm, is that mounted on the card, I forget | 12:10 |
| dantonic | no the internal memory | 12:11 |
| dantonic | I deleted the image file from easydeb but cannot recover that space | 12:11 |
| dantonic | i ran fsck and fixed the errors, but still missing almost 1GB | 12:12 |
| dantonic | :( | 12:12 |
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| lardman | hmm, that is quite a lot | 12:13 |
| lardman | well internal memory is compressed | 12:13 |
| lardman | so how much have you got back? | 12:13 |
| pupnik | can i paste into terminal without a menubar? | 12:14 |
| dantonic | well maybe 100-200MB | 12:14 |
| pupnik | i am stuck in fullfullscreen | 12:14 |
| lardman | ctrl-v should do it | 12:15 |
| dantonic | I had well over 6 GB available before I installed easy deb, now I have 5.72 | 12:15 |
| arachnist | lardman: not in terminal | 12:15 |
| dantonic | before the image file that is | 12:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | no ctrl-v paste into a shell | 12:16 |
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| lardman | dantonic: you might also try a reboot to see if the garbage collector wakes up | 12:20 |
| * lardman presumes ubifs works like that anyway, not having paid much attention | 12:21 | |
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| ifreq | morning channel (except pupnik) | 12:22 |
| lardman | morning ifreq | 12:22 |
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| lardman | is it afternoon for pupnik? | 12:22 |
| lardman | right, have just started Octave build with lots of deps added | 12:22 |
| felipec_ | X-Fade: have you solved the multi-sdk issue? | 12:23 |
| lardman | hi felipec_ | 12:23 |
| felipec_ | hey lardman :) | 12:23 |
| dantonic | aha | 12:23 |
| dantonic | lardman | 12:24 |
| ifreq | lardman: nope its just my bad sense of humour good morning wishes | 12:24 |
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| dantonic | I have two files called fsck0000.rec and fsck0001.rec equivalent to the approximate size I'm missing | 12:25 |
| dantonic | why did fsck create those? | 12:25 |
| lardman | sounds like they are rec(overed) data? Check the man page | 12:25 |
| dantonic | I assume it's safe to delete em? | 12:26 |
| dantonic | ah ok | 12:26 |
| dantonic | good idea | 12:26 |
| dantonic | ya fsck did recover about 1GB worth of space | 12:26 |
| dantonic | i guess it just saves it | 12:26 |
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| koala_man | ah, I just figured out that you can save locations in ovi maps by hitting the info button on a shown location | 12:27 |
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| igagis | Hi all | 12:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | to whom it may concern: could we get a changelog in HAM-update package info eventually? | 12:31 |
| igagis | I'm wondering is ap icon updating after app install is the same in fremantle as in diablo& | 12:31 |
| igagis | ? | 12:31 |
| igagis | I mean is it enough to put "gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor" to postinst? | 12:31 |
| igagis | it seems not working for me... :-( | 12:31 |
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| lardman | DocScrutinizer: Add a bug for it? | 12:32 |
| lardman | assuming there's not one already that is | 12:32 |
| lardman | igagis: iirc the icon cache has now been removed, so presumably that's not needed any longer | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: eventually I might do. For now I'll add it to my bogs-todo list | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/bogs/bugs | 12:33 |
| lardman | DocScrutinizer: :) | 12:33 |
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| lardman | I've seen other people asking for that, so it might already be in a bug | 12:33 |
| igagis | lardman: hm, anyway, I have this call to the update script, but icon is not appearing after app install, after device reboot it apears | 12:33 |
| lardman | yeah I get that too, no idea I'm afraid | 12:34 |
| lardman | igagis: is this in PR1.1? | 12:34 |
| lardman | if so, no icon cache so the call will do nothing anyway | 12:34 |
| igagis | lardman: I updated the device to latest release | 12:34 |
| igagis | lardman: so, I think yes | 12:34 |
| pupnik | lardman: have you gotten feedback from mbarcode uses in 'real life'? curious what userlevel applications it has | 12:34 |
| igagis | lardman: but for some other apps the icon appears ok, maybe I do something wrong | 12:35 |
| lardman | pupnik: I've not promoted it to extras yet | 12:35 |
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| lardman | DocScrutinizer: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3839 ?? | 12:36 |
| povbot` | Bug 3839: After repository refresh changelogs for application should be viewable | 12:36 |
| pupnik | maybe i could inventory personal foodstocks | 12:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | igagis: so maybe check those other apps' install pkgs? | 12:36 |
| lardman | pupnik: yes that is one thing that could be added as a plugin | 12:36 |
| lardman | or CDs/books/DVDs which was my original reason | 12:36 |
| igagis | DocScrutinizer: probably, will do this | 12:36 |
| lardman | have been rather busy in the last few weeks but will crack on and start helping dragly with the Qt ui today I hope | 12:37 |
| lardman | then we should soon have a plugin arch too | 12:37 |
| lardman | bbl# | 12:37 |
| pupnik | cu | 12:37 |
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| igagis | By the way, I have the same problem with icon for Maep app, after rebooting the device icon appeared | 12:38 |
| pupnik | happens here too | 12:38 |
| * slonopotamus confirms | 12:40 | |
| slonopotamus | actually it might appear even without reboot. don't know what exactly triggers, though. | 12:41 |
| igagis | I waitad for about 1 day, it did not appeared :-) | 12:41 |
| igagis | so, don't think it is a good idea to rely in that "triggering event" which may not happen for more than day | 12:42 |
| slonopotamus | happened for me after 2 days of blue square :) | 12:42 |
| igagis | slonopotamus: :-) | 12:43 |
| slonopotamus | anyway, it's a bug | 12:43 |
| igagis | slonopotamus: a bug in platform you think? | 12:43 |
| slonopotamus | i know :) | 12:43 |
| igagis | slonopotamus: ok, it needs to be subitted then, or is it already? | 12:44 |
| slonopotamus | didn't search in bugzie | 12:44 |
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| * Arkenoi wishes mbarcode could lock builtin camera app from starting, otherwise it is very annoying | 12:44 | |
| Arkenoi | and still no luck with 1d | 12:44 |
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| igagis | slonopotamus: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6931 | 12:48 |
| povbot` | Bug 6931: After installation of software last icon in "More..." view has default icon instead of own one | 12:48 |
| igagis | slonopotamus: ? | 12:48 |
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| jebba | how does one override a "Dependency provided by Scratchbox: cdbs (>= 0.4.39) " I want to use the cdbs from the repo, not the one provided by the scratchbox. It just ignores the cdbs Build-Depends: in debian/control | 12:48 |
| red | cehteh: using msn-pecan or msn-butterfly? both make a funny noise when they get connected properly | 12:50 |
| red | and I've noticed that if the plugin is in network error state, for some reason it connects at 4.00am Finnish time :) | 12:50 |
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| red | dunno why | 12:51 |
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| slonopotamus | igagis, yeah, it's it. voted. | 12:53 |
| igagis | slonopotamus: good | 12:54 |
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| RST38h | Judging from the latencies in tmo response, it has been finally moved to maemo.org servers =) | 13:07 |
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| * lardman|away curses the length of time an Octave build takes, especially when it fails at the end (obvious mistake), off to lunch | 13:10 | |
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| wazd | hello all | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | anybody know details on how camera app actually gets started on opening the lens slider? | 13:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | is that built in to mce? or some other daemon monitoring the switch? or maybe even cam-app preloaded and just unhides? | 13:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or to be more specific: how would I change which app is launched when opening lens slider | 13:21 |
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| * RST38h moos with intent at wazd | 13:22 | |
| RST38h | DocScrut: There is a magnetic sensor. It is handled by the MCE | 13:23 |
| RST38h | DocScrut: AFAIK it is signalled over DBus in some way | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | mce. hmm that's what I expected | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | a pitty there's no config for that in mce.ini | 13:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: btw it's a IR reflective sensor for the slider | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite amazing | 13:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: watch the half-white/half-black strip on backside of slider | 13:26 |
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| RST38h | DocScrut: Oh. No shit? | 13:30 |
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| RST38h | DocScrut: Isn't there a funny bug report somewhere that N900 never goes to sleep if you place it on a magnet? | 13:31 |
| arachnist | RST38h: N900 would seem to get attracted ;P | 13:31 |
| RST38h | More than three-quarters of Britons don't use their phones to access the internet, a study has found. Worse, almost 40 per cent of smartphone owners - the very folk you'd expect would want to surf the web on the move - have never done so, or gave it a go once but won't do so again. | 13:31 |
| RST38h | Here, the ugly truth | 13:32 |
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| RST38h | Nobody gives a fuck. | 13:32 |
| FIQ | lol | 13:33 |
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| woglinde | jo | 13:35 |
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| felipec | RST38h: maybe because three-quarters of Britons don't have phones with Internet capabilities? | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: there *is* a magnet switch. But it is for sensing removal of backlid, to unmount the uSD | 13:39 |
| woglinde | hi doc felipec rst | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | (mobile internet in Britain) now I see why the dataplans are so cheap on the island :-) | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi woglinde | 13:42 |
| alterego | felipec: really, that many. | 13:42 |
| * lcuk waves from england \o | 13:43 | |
| lcuk | RST38h, thats normal | 13:43 |
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| lcuk | i browse the web on n900 on just a ocuple of regular times, one when eating breakfast in a hotel (i dont eat breakfast normally) | 13:44 |
| lcuk | and 2 when im waiting for haircut | 13:44 |
| woglinde | hoi lcuk | 13:44 |
| woglinde | hurray | 13:44 |
| lcuk | randomly we might use it to answer random pillowtalk bedtime questions (before it wouldv been cold to get out of bed) | 13:45 |
| woglinde | navit builds now with hand optimized /opt | 13:45 |
| lcuk | woglinde, i did some hand optimized /opt stuff | 13:45 |
| * ShadowJK browses on n810 and n900 as bedtime reading | 13:45 | |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: (magnet) I've been told kbd slider also uses a reedswitch (= magnet) to sense kbd is 'open'. Tha may as well cause a no-suspend | 13:45 |
| woglinde | cluk saver is the .link file | 13:45 |
| woglinde | ups lcuk | 13:45 |
| ShadowJK | and now I'm in couch browsing on n900 | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/suspend/sleep/ | 13:46 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: RST38h: (magnet) I've been told kbd slider also uses a reedswitch (= magnet) to sense kbd is 'open'. Tha may as well cause a no-sleep | 13:46 |
| TomaszD | what the... am I crazy or is the All category really sort Z-A, not A-Z? | 13:47 |
| red | i got tricked into shopping with gf | 13:47 |
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| * red sighs | 13:47 | |
| lcuk | red there are worse things | 13:48 |
| woglinde | red lol | 13:48 |
| woglinde | red shoes? | 13:48 |
| lcuk | like having leg gnawed off by a croc | 13:48 |
| woglinde | god thanks my wife isnt a shopping girl | 13:48 |
| red | doesnt feel like it, standing in a mall atm.. | 13:48 |
| red | woglinde: tops. | 13:48 |
| lcuk | red, seek out technology store | 13:48 |
| red | lcuk: atleast thats out fast | 13:48 |
| lcuk | its like a ballpit for adult males | 13:48 |
| RST38h | heya lcuk | 13:49 |
| red | and im low on money so i cant buy stuff | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | TomaszD: in HAM? | 13:49 |
| lcuk | hiya RST38h | 13:49 |
| red | cause im paying for her clothes today | 13:49 |
| lcuk | hows things | 13:49 |
| red | so | 13:49 |
| TomaszD | DocScrutinizer, yes... | 13:49 |
| * red sighs | 13:49 | |
| TomaszD | and it's still like that | 13:49 |
| lcuk | red if you are paying, take her to la senza | 13:49 |
| RST38h | DocScrut: Ah! Sneaky. This devices appears to be full of sensors | 13:49 |
| RST38h | s/devices/device | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | TomaszD: not here | 13:49 |
| TomaszD | I know, I just installed this IM aggreggator thing | 13:50 |
| TomaszD | and now I have the list backwards | 13:50 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Well, just fixed a problem in a Genesis emulator, made it run a game | 13:50 |
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| lcuk | thats an important step for an emulator! | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | TomaszD: you seen the "sort by" "name"/"size" in the menu? | 13:50 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Also, got HildonAnimationActor to work yesterday, but using it in my apps will require reworking huge chunk of code | 13:50 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Oh the emulator runs other games perfectly, has been for years | 13:50 |
| TomaszD | DocScrutinizer, it's by Size now | 13:51 |
| lcuk | gah thats not good | 13:51 |
| lcuk | what are you wanting HAA for? | 13:51 |
| RST38h | lcuk: It is just one game that I have to do some hacking on did not run. Does now | 13:51 |
| lcuk | then ubercool \o/ | 13:51 |
| TomaszD | hmm | 13:51 |
| * lcuk is still decoding and digesting a weeks work of concentrated learning | 13:52 | |
| woglinde | yeaahahhhhhaahah | 13:52 |
| djkrikke | guys, how is copy paste integrated in maemo yet? | 13:52 |
| lcuk | ctrl c ctrl v | 13:52 |
| lcuk | like everywhere else | 13:53 |
| djkrikke | and it just works in every text field? | 13:53 |
| woglinde | I only need to tweak navit.xml now | 13:53 |
| djkrikke | (or in the browser) | 13:53 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Going to see if it is faster than the software scaling I am doing | 13:53 |
| woglinde | and ship it | 13:53 |
| lcuk | RST38h, ahhh cool | 13:53 |
| lcuk | you know rst, the hardware scaler has to be in the newer version of omapfb | 13:53 |
| lcuk | cos the xv still enables it | 13:54 |
| lcuk | for yuv | 13:54 |
| RST38h | well, I do not see it. Old ioctls do not work. | 13:54 |
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| * DocScrutinizer curses lazy devels shipping their apps with meaningless description. Wasted space on HAM details screen | 13:54 | |
| lcuk | RST38h, would it be worth following the xvideo path to see if anything jumps out | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | "just like a prone. to be used in your 4x4" - WTF?? | 13:55 |
| lcuk | i notice the google device uses hardware resolution reduction | 13:55 |
| lcuk | on its oled display | 13:56 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: No idea, I am trying to do as few work as possible | 13:56 |
| lcuk | yeah understood | 13:57 |
| lcuk | how slow is a pixel doubling algo for you | 13:57 |
| RST38h | which one? | 13:57 |
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| lcuk | or is it full dynamic rescaling you need | 13:57 |
| lcuk | any | 13:57 |
| RST38h | Mhm | 13:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | djkrikke: for browser see "gestures" in wiki (slide from left to enable cursor mode). For some apps (like terminal) you need to use the menu "copy" / "paste" | 13:57 |
| djkrikke | allright, thanks | 13:57 |
| RST38h | I am actually using a family of algorithms and a dispatcher that chooses the best based on the source/dest ratio | 13:57 |
| lcuk | nice | 13:58 |
| RST38h | And I do not simply double, I merge adjacent pixels | 13:58 |
| lcuk | so you can test new algos easily | 13:58 |
| RST38h | mmm...no | 13:58 |
| lcuk | and evolve/ upgrade gracefully | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | djkrikke: ctr-c/v for most of the rest | 13:58 |
| RST38h | I can test anything that takes a line of pixels and create a new line of pixels of given size | 13:58 |
| RST38h | outside this specification, there is not much I can test with the code | 13:59 |
| lcuk | ahhh right | 13:59 |
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| __ibz | am i the only one that expects to be able to navigate the multitask menu using the keyboard? | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | __ibz: no. I found it rather annoying as well there's simply no way to switch tasks without using ts on maemo5 | 14:02 |
| __ibz | DocScrutinizer: i found that ctrl-backspace is good for backing out of menu's but doesnt work on all menu's, is there an effort to ensure that all navigation can be similarly achieved by kb? | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 14:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for menus you usually click on the fuzzy area to escape from menu | 14:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ctrl-BS is a global shortcut to open taskswitcher. | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas after inventing that the GUI-devels stopped thinking | 14:05 |
| ShadowJK | ctrl-bs doesn't work for escaping modals :( | 14:06 |
| ShadowJK | the fuzzy bg changes but dialog stays :( | 14:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: seems that's the meaning of 'modal', no? ;-P | 14:09 |
| RST38h | Fun: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41865 | 14:10 |
| RST38h | Someone finally hits the problem I have been experiencing for months and complains about it | 14:10 |
| ShadowJK | docscrutinizer: modal should be banned | 14:11 |
| ShadowJK | I want to background crash-reporter uploading 200 megs of coredumps ;p | 14:11 |
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| * RST38h just wants to kill the thumbnailerd for good | 14:19 | |
| RST38h | What use it is of anyway? | 14:19 |
| jophish | Is fremantle able to mount nfsv4 shares? | 14:19 |
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| flux | jophish, no idea, but to my short non-scientific tests there may be serious performance issues in the nfs support | 14:22 |
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| woglinde | jophish look into the kernel config and you will know it | 14:22 |
| jophish | oh? why is that? | 14:22 |
| woglinde | jophish but you can recompile kernel with nfsv4 support | 14:22 |
| flux | jophish, no idea, but sshfs performed 10x as fast | 14:22 |
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| flux | jophish, of course, these were only my tests | 14:22 |
| jophish | that's odd | 14:22 |
| flux | (otherwise my nfs works great on the same wlan) | 14:22 |
| jophish | Yeah, I'm looking into mounting a server at my home from the internet, but with only read access to a particular directory. sshfs doesn't seem to be able to limit the exported share as nicely as nfs | 14:24 |
| red | my screen is gathering lint on the edge seams | 14:24 |
| red | anyone come up with good cleanup methods? :D | 14:24 |
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| woglinde | hms which format the icon has to have so it will be shown in launcher menu? | 14:25 |
| alterego | they should put the application rating in the application manager. | 14:27 |
| alterego | i suppose they do with ovi :/ | 14:27 |
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| ShadowJK | i don't think nfs modules are included | 14:38 |
| ShadowJK | hm, n900 wlan just stopped working :/ | 14:38 |
| ShadowJK | gah, how do I recover this wlan brokenness :/ | 14:38 |
| ShadowJK | it associates, bot no data moves | 14:38 |
| ShadowJK | correction, data moves for about 2 seconds after associating :-) | 14:38 |
| ShadowJK | consistently 2 secs... or enough for two ping replies | 14:38 |
| * ShadowJK sighs | 14:38 | |
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| alterego | "Helsinki Wallpaper" what a silly package .. | 14:39 |
| ShadowJK | yay, ifconfig wlan0 down ; rmmod wl12xx ; insmod wl12xx | 14:39 |
| ShadowJK | restored wlan :D | 14:40 |
| alterego | Well, I think there are loads of pointless packages, but that's the most pointless imo | 14:40 |
| alterego | Has anyone setup a Maemo-themes.org websitge yet? :) | 14:41 |
| ShadowJK | maybe it makes it show up as proper background in the background picker | 14:41 |
| ShadowJK | I think someone did | 14:41 |
| ShadowJK | lol, uh oh, now cellular is blinking on and off | 14:43 |
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| alterego | heh | 14:43 |
| ShadowJK | the worst thing about that wlan bug is that it doesn't notice... it'd be better if it noticed becuse then it could fall back to packet data and not drop me offline | 14:45 |
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| jophish | ShadowJK, darn, looks like I'll be compiling my own kernel then. | 14:48 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 14:52 |
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| lcuk | hiya Jaffa \o | 14:52 |
| lcuk | has anyone seen my bottle opener | 14:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Woo, down to 16 UNCONFIRMED in the last 24 hours. | 14:53 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, unconfirmed bugs? | 14:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 14:55 |
| lcuk | not bad, now we just need to do all we can to get em fixed | 14:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | notmyjob | 14:55 |
| * lcuk nods | 14:55 | |
| GeneralAntilles | We're practically into "Fixed in Harmattan", sadly. | 14:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | So I'm not sure if I really care at all. | 14:56 |
| lcuk | well can you find out how many of hte bugs are marked for open source projects | 14:57 |
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| lcuk | not you specifically, but getting a metric of that might be useful | 14:57 |
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| ShadowJK | hmmm | 15:00 |
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| * ShadowJK wonders how long until firefox works with youtube and vimeo html5.. atleast tomshawdware says it doesn't | 15:01 | |
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| ShadowJK | and if microb on maemo5 will ever get it :p | 15:01 |
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| Fatal | ShadowJK: neat would be if youtube offerd theora, but guess that won't ever happen | 15:04 |
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| djkrikke | ShadowJK, html5 is not the usual youtube, right? | 15:05 |
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| ShadowJK | they're calling it testtube | 15:05 |
| * ShadowJK wouldn't be particulary interested in theora | 15:06 | |
| djkrikke | I see | 15:06 |
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| ShadowJK | theora might even be able to compete in quality per bits with the atrociously bad hWYR encoder youtube uses... but it,s atrociously bad probably because it's awesomely fast | 15:07 |
| ShadowJK | s/hWYR/h264/ | 15:08 |
| infobot | ShadowJK meant: theora might even be able to compete in quality per bits with the atrociously bad h264 encoder youtube uses... but it,s atrociously bad probably because it's awesomely fast | 15:08 |
| Fatal | ShadowJK: well. i doubt firefox will pay the fee for h264. *shrugs* | 15:08 |
| ShadowJK | maybe they'll make a decoder interface so you can plug in your own player of choice | 15:09 |
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| * TomaszD wanted to port git, but once he looked at the deps he said f... that | 15:13 | |
| wolf^ | TomaszD, what about console-only and without things like cvs or svn support? | 15:15 |
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| TomaszD | wolf^, I could give it a try once I download MADDE | 15:16 |
| wolf^ | TomaszD, aaand, isn't it already available? it's in the sdk | 15:16 |
| TomaszD | is it? hm | 15:16 |
| TomaszD | gosh, good that I didn't spend more than 5 minutes on this | 15:17 |
| TomaszD | what confused me is that both mercurial and subversion are visible in the application manager | 15:17 |
| lcuk | TomaszD, git? | 15:17 |
| lcuk | its working on device | 15:17 |
| TomaszD | and I thought that git would also be visible | 15:18 |
| TomaszD | yep, I see it | 15:18 |
| lcuk | not sure if its built with https support tho | 15:18 |
| lcuk | i know the n8x0 one wasnt | 15:18 |
| TomaszD | hm | 15:18 |
| TomaszD | any thoughts about MADDE? | 15:18 |
| TomaszD | I read a few good things about it, d/ling now | 15:19 |
| TomaszD | by the way, I've informed the guy who maintains the locale-zhhk packages that he shouldn't put them in the user/ category | 15:19 |
| TomaszD | he's fixing it now, so no more clutter :) | 15:19 |
| lcuk | TomaszD, madde is a damned good idea | 15:21 |
| lcuk | i have been too busy to try it, please report after you have done so | 15:21 |
| frals | welcome back lcuk! | 15:22 |
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| TomaszD | I just hope it uses my home directory for data, unlike scratchbox, which uses root. I have separate partitions and quickly ran out of space in root | 15:22 |
| alterego | you can symlink it. | 15:22 |
| ShadowJK | instead of all the *zhhk* in user/, just one that depends on them all? | 15:22 |
| alterego | I VM the whole environment. | 15:23 |
| * ShadowJK downloaded the VM image and runs that in kvm | 15:23 | |
| TomaszD | ShadowJK, there is already one, but all of this was in user/ | 15:24 |
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| lcuk | hiya frals thanks | 15:24 |
| lcuk | good to be back and sad to leave | 15:24 |
| TomaszD | alterego, I know, but I still am tired of scratchbox anyway | 15:24 |
| ShadowJK | tomaszd: ah | 15:24 |
| frals | lcuk: :) | 15:24 |
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| ShadowJK | Heh, I just realized... html5 h264 is essntially 0 computational cost for youtube... when they added cellåhone formats and h264 in the first place it took like a year to reprocess all the videos.. | 15:25 |
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| lcuk | frals, lots of people trying your mms package | 15:27 |
| frals | lcuk: seems so yes :) | 15:27 |
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| Fatal | hmm, how do you get the n900 to insert pause while dialing phonenumbers (or an wait for keypress pause)? | 15:39 |
| Fatal | (p, w on my old nokias, comma(,) on android) | 15:40 |
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| n1c0 | Hi ! | 15:43 |
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| n1c0 | is it possible to use a maemo phone to emulate a device like bluetooth mouse | 15:44 |
| lcuk | n1c0, bluemaemo is a full bluetooth HIB emulator | 15:45 |
| ShadowJK | check out bluemaemo from extras | 15:45 |
| lcuk | you can use it as a keyboard mouse or joystick | 15:45 |
| n1c0 | nice, thanks ! | 15:45 |
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| Fatal | ah.. it just dont support w... guess i have some phonebook editing to do | 15:47 |
| * lcuk is smiling today | 15:48 | |
| RST38h | Ok, the subtitles package does not seem to work | 15:49 |
| Luser | tmo is particularly slow since yesterday. am I the only one? | 15:50 |
| RST38h | no. | 15:51 |
| __ibz | where is rsync or unison? how are people transferring files to the device? | 15:51 |
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| riot | hiya | 15:51 |
| ShadowJK | I think I found rsync in extras-testing or extras-devel. It probably doesn't show up in hildon-application-manager | 15:52 |
| ShadowJK | (but grsync does) | 15:52 |
| pupnik_ | http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2010/01/21 | 15:52 |
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| __ibz | ShadowJK: thx | 15:57 |
| RST38h | Ahhahaha: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADE_651 | 15:58 |
| aep | any idea where i get the opengles headers from? | 15:58 |
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| * riot is trying to setup maemo-scratchbox-install_4.1.sh but gets "E: Scratchbox command '/scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc' is not executable." | 16:11 | |
| riot | /scratchbox/compilers doesn't even exist :/ | 16:12 |
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| dotblank | ah so I just got my n900 in the mail | 16:15 |
| djkrikke | is it pretty dotblank :P | 16:15 |
| ShadowJK | did you break it yet? | 16:16 |
| riot | is the usb-port still smd? or did they fix that little BUG? | 16:16 |
| djkrikke | smd? | 16:17 |
| RST38h | surface mounted | 16:17 |
| RST38h | i.e. tears apart | 16:17 |
| djkrikke | I see, thanks for the clarification | 16:18 |
| dotblank | well its pretty, oh so pretty | 16:18 |
| RST38h | tmo dead. | 16:18 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: i don't think tmo is on the new servers really | 16:18 |
| dotblank | I like it alot.. I enables alot of the repos on it | 16:18 |
| dotblank | andthis device actuually has a large number of apps | 16:19 |
| dotblank | I was surprised | 16:19 |
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| djkrikke | I'm probably selling my iphone in the near future to get one, hope I'll be as happy as you are | 16:20 |
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| dotblank | The speakers could be better tho | 16:22 |
| lcuk | E:OUTOFBEER | 16:23 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: No moved yet but broken already? =) | 16:23 |
| djkrikke | dotblank: what's wrong with the speakers? | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: doubt it's moving personally | 16:24 |
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| RST38h | no need to move it if they can break it on the current server =) | 16:25 |
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| dotblank | they pop and crackle a bit | 16:26 |
| djkrikke | hmm | 16:26 |
| djkrikke | what device did you have before the n900? | 16:26 |
| dotblank | env2 | 16:26 |
| dotblank | lol | 16:26 |
| dotblank | it actually has better speakrers | 16:27 |
| djkrikke | hehe | 16:27 |
| * SpeedEvil had the neo1973. It had better circuit diagrams. | 16:27 | |
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| djkrikke | both nice phones | 16:28 |
| djkrikke | or better | 16:28 |
| djkrikke | devices :D | 16:28 |
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| BLUG_Fred | hi guys! trying to figure out how to add a shortcut to the phone application on the dashboard... anyone has a hint? | 16:28 |
| dotblank | I love being to stream internet radio to FM radio in my car.. that is REALLY cool | 16:28 |
| djkrikke | it really is dotblank, it's the future | 16:29 |
| djkrikke | but nobody else then us, computer fanatics, understands :( | 16:29 |
| dotblank | yea.. they just dont get it.... | 16:29 |
| djkrikke | how wicked would it be that you were in another country, streaming with your n900 your own music on your own pc at home? | 16:29 |
| pupnik_ | lets free up fm bands for time multiplexed personal wwan | 16:29 |
| pupnik_ | you can do it with cideo too using knots2 | 16:30 |
| djkrikke | if it only were affordable :P | 16:30 |
| pupnik_ | video | 16:30 |
| dotblank | im like "Evan" you know your computer is sharing its music over upnp device... I found some nickleback on it" | 16:30 |
| alterego | No python bindings for osso0abook, lame >:( | 16:30 |
| alterego | Okay, maybe there is but it hasn't been released yet ... | 16:32 |
| dotblank | Is the zoom on the camera optical or digital? | 16:32 |
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| djkrikke | I'm wondering what you think about the resistive touchscreen dotblank, is it really that sensitive? | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | quite | 16:35 |
| pupnik_ | digital | 16:36 |
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| djkrikke | I always wanted capacitive, but some say that resistive is much better for "small and tiny elements" | 16:36 |
| pupnik_ | it is | 16:36 |
| dotblank | djkrikke, Yea its actually really nice.. comes in handy alot 2 | 16:36 |
| pupnik_ | the herd is wrong as usual | 16:37 |
| dotblank | *I did not own a previous capacitance touchscreen device* | 16:37 |
| djkrikke | I now own one | 16:37 |
| djkrikke | thing is | 16:37 |
| djkrikke | capacitive seems more responsive and more fluid | 16:37 |
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| dotblank | I can click with my fingernails which is cool | 16:37 |
| crashanddie | for the sake of precision | 16:37 |
| djkrikke | It looks more accurate then resistive, but I wonder why precision isn't good on it then | 16:38 |
| crashanddie | djkrikke: you can't use capacitive with gloves, nor with stylus or anything | 16:38 |
| lcuk | i was comparing screen on n900 and iphone | 16:38 |
| dotblank | not that they are long or anything... but it is usefull to select something in a webpage | 16:38 |
| djkrikke | crashanddie, indeed | 16:38 |
| lcuk | and using the small corner of skin near my nail for scrolling | 16:38 |
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| lcuk | they were both aas responsive as each other | 16:38 |
| djkrikke | but I don't like stylus | 16:38 |
| pupnik_ | i dont want 5 dpi clicking on a 300 dpi screen | 16:38 |
| lcuk | hey crashanddie | 16:39 |
| crashanddie | yo lcuk | 16:39 |
| dotblank | I'll pull out the stylus when I need to do alot on my phone.. otherwise I don't bother. | 16:39 |
| djkrikke | but gloves is a problem yes :D | 16:39 |
| crashanddie | wassup buddy? | 16:39 |
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| lcuk | just chilling out after a hectic week in helsinki | 16:39 |
| dotblank | I really like the prox sensor with phone app | 16:39 |
| djkrikke | what does it do actually, turn of the lights when calling? | 16:40 |
| lcuk | djkrikke, nahh its just turning off screen and touchpanel | 16:41 |
| lcuk | when your ear is near | 16:41 |
| lcuk | detects percentage of wax deposits in parts per million dynamically | 16:41 |
| djkrikke | lol | 16:41 |
| crashanddie | yeah, sucks because it drains the battery if you place a call right after taking a shower | 16:42 |
| crashanddie | (granted, not a major issue within our community) | 16:42 |
| range | Yeah, who does calls anyway. | 16:42 |
| lcuk | yeah when i use the phone in the shower i dont worry about battery cos its plugged in | 16:43 |
| crashanddie | meh, tmo users are behaving, I can't abuse mod powers :( | 16:43 |
| alterego | You use the phone in the shower? | 16:43 |
| crashanddie | sure | 16:43 |
| crashanddie | awesome vibrator | 16:43 |
| frals | lol | 16:43 |
| djkrikke | haha | 16:43 |
| djkrikke | crashanddie, while your listening to your radio that's also plugged in :D | 16:44 |
| crashanddie | plus it's nice and chunky, not like that thin iphone crap | 16:44 |
| lcuk | at least you KNOW when a call comes in, and when you regain conciousness you can respond | 16:44 |
| crashanddie | iphone, I had to stack 3 of them to get desired width | 16:44 |
| lcuk | i stack many n900s | 16:44 |
| crashanddie | yeah but you're the community's bitch | 16:44 |
| alterego | Why does pymaemo come with lib sources? | 16:45 |
| crashanddie | always up for a party, but oh so unfaithful :P | 16:45 |
| lcuk | cos its python | 16:45 |
| alterego | It's a waste of space, why don't they just distribute the compiled libs ... :/ | 16:45 |
| crashanddie | alterego: "compiled"? | 16:46 |
| crashanddie | sarcasm meter is broken probably | 16:46 |
| alterego | .pyc files are the compiled versions of .py | 16:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Silly question. Does anyone know where I can get several hour long ambient beach recordings? | 16:46 |
| crashanddie | they're supported on maemo? | 16:46 |
| crashanddie | (not the ambient beach recordings, the .pyc) | 16:46 |
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| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: get sound of one wave, loop? | 16:47 |
| alterego | Erm .. That's why I'm complaining, npymaemo has .py and .pyc, which is completely unnecessary | 16:47 |
| lcuk | not really | 16:47 |
| lcuk | just get rid of the pyc | 16:47 |
| lcuk | and make the damn parser faster ;) | 16:48 |
| ShadowJK | .pyo sounds funnier when pronunced | 16:48 |
| alterego | The idea is to get rid of the .py files .. | 16:48 |
| crashanddie | I thought the whole point of a scripting language was to not have compilation? | 16:49 |
| crashanddie | Or did I miss a meeting? | 16:49 |
| lcuk | does python self bootstrap | 16:49 |
| alterego | No | 16:50 |
| lcuk | isnt that kind of fail then | 16:50 |
| lcuk | getting the semantics for that right is normally the first step of many languages and helps the developer to make things work well | 16:50 |
| alterego | I don't know, is it? There are loads of things that don't self bootstrap. | 16:50 |
| lcuk | most languages do | 16:50 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4376462/Nature_Sounds_(Relaxation_amp_Meditation) | 16:50 |
| lcuk | gcc uses itself to build itself | 16:51 |
| crashanddie | well, chicken and egg | 16:51 |
| lcuk | yes but by now | 16:51 |
| crashanddie | first version of gcc wasn't written using gcc ;) | 16:51 |
| lcuk | no, and that problem rolled around my head for ages | 16:52 |
| lcuk | not gcc specifically | 16:52 |
| lcuk | a simpler c distro from amiga days | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | how the first programming language was written? | 16:52 |
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| lcuk | i got it down to a very small asm script | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | I | 16:52 |
| lcuk | binary switching | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | woops | 16:52 |
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| lcuk | altair style | 16:52 |
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| crashanddie | I'm still convinced that the first programming language was created during a seance meeting and spirit invocation at which woz, torvalds, jobs, watson, idestam, brin and page were uniting forces | 16:53 |
| crashanddie | gates was late, as usual | 16:54 |
| frals | god tmo is slow :< | 16:54 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, time traveling code warriors | 16:55 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, i saw a great machine the other day | 16:56 |
| dotblank | I get 3.5 g on tmo | 16:56 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z86V_ICUCD4 | 16:58 |
| lcuk | actually its title is very wrong | 16:58 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: that's the best thing ever | 16:58 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, indeed :) | 16:59 |
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| ShadowJK | and then we have tcc which compiles C so fast it can compile and boot the linux kernel in 20 seconds | 17:03 |
| ShadowJK | hm... n900 seems to use CFQ scheduler.. | 17:03 |
| ShadowJK | iirc people have reported quite mixed results with that on sd-type storage like original eepepc, hm... | 17:03 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, thats cool bananas | 17:03 |
| zemm | lcuk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PyPy | 17:04 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders tccer. | 17:04 | |
| SpeedEvil | mer + tcc = architecture independant distribution! | 17:04 |
| lcuk | zemm, :) great | 17:04 |
| SpeedEvil | (no, it won't really work) | 17:04 |
| lcuk | i might look at tcc again for liqbase building | 17:04 |
| lcuk | does it have a linker? | 17:05 |
| dotblank | hey guys can I have a look at some ones sources.list for their n900.. I think im missing some repos cause Im missing some deps | 17:05 |
| lcuk | dotblank, most likely, your EXTRA repos are making you look for newer apps | 17:05 |
| ShadowJK | I don't think tcc compiles for anything but x86.. | 17:05 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, would you investigate? | 17:05 |
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| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: was that link good enough an answer? | 17:06 |
| Jaffa | Anyone looked at auto-away on N900? (movement, use, time-of-day, etc)? | 17:06 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: seen the thread about MWKN? | 17:06 |
| lcuk | dotblank, its possible that if you have extras-devel or other external repos you may never be able to solve | 17:06 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, ive not looked on tmo for ages | 17:06 |
| dotblank | hmm | 17:06 |
| xorAxAx | Jaffa: dwimd can do that | 17:06 |
| xorAxAx | Jaffa: i am doing it using dwimd, works fine | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: ooh - I missed that - thanks | 17:07 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, link | 17:10 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk: Well, the gyuy who started it also started ffmpeg, so I am guessing he started tcc to make ffmpeg compile without miscompile and eating all system ram with gcc... then he got distracted and made the compiler into qemu, and then he went back to video and made thingy that modulated DVB-T on VHF band through VGA-out | 17:10 |
| Jaffa | xorAxAx: Is it in a repo already? | 17:10 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, yeah afaik hes also the guy that did tinygl | 17:10 |
| lcuk | isnt he | 17:10 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34888 and http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Weekly_News | 17:11 |
| ShadowJK | probably :) | 17:11 |
| ShadowJK | he seems like a serial opensource projectstarter | 17:11 |
| slonopotamus | does t.m.o work at all? | 17:11 |
| slonopotamus | ah, it does. just sloooowly. | 17:11 |
| lcuk | ok jaffa i thought then you had the first edition | 17:12 |
| lcuk | lol | 17:12 |
| dotblank | whoa .. I just installed conky | 17:12 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: not quite yet ;-) | 17:12 |
| dotblank | very very cool | 17:12 |
| xorAxAx | Jaffa: yes | 17:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: also - he wrote lzexe back in the day | 17:13 |
| woglinde | shadowjk jo he started serval cool projects | 17:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Which was cool. | 17:13 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC | 17:13 |
| xorAxAx | is repository.maemo.org down currently? | 17:13 |
| revnil | looks like it | 17:14 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, did you see the hermes pic | 17:14 |
| woglinde | hm I consider conky drains battery | 17:14 |
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| lcuk | i would expect it to too | 17:14 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Which Hermes pic? (I'm guessing my answer is "no") | 17:15 |
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| bilboed | maemo weekly news would be awesome... but timeconsuming for the people who would write it | 17:15 |
| odinm | odin will be back soon (Fedora12 Xorg server is now working on my workstation, hip hip for ATI driver maintainer, hip hip) | 17:15 |
| lcuk | woglinde, z4chh wrote a simple monitor app for his gsoc project | 17:15 |
| Jaffa | bilboed: Hopefully my proposal captures a way of using as much tooling to make it NOT a timesink | 17:15 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.hamburg.hermes.jaffa.20100117_011.jpg | 17:15 |
| RST38h | "As punishment for bad grades, a Georgia mother forced her 12-year-old son to kill his pet hamster with a hammer." | 17:15 |
| lcuk | jaffa, speaking of hermes, i saw something in hamburg airport that reminded me of you | 17:15 |
| lcuk | was what i posted | 17:15 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: heh | 17:16 |
| bilboed | Jaffa, meh, reminds me we should revive the gstreamer (bi-)weekly news too :( | 17:16 |
| lcuk | jaffa it would be simpler to just start with a manbually edited blog post | 17:17 |
| Jaffa | bilboed: I don't see any reason why the technology behind the site - initiated by crashanddie - shouldn't be open sourced | 17:17 |
| lcuk | like 90% of most news things are | 17:17 |
| bilboed | Jaffa, true | 17:18 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: It would; but I don't want to start something which is supposed to be weekly and then not have time to do it the next week, and have to do all the work myself | 17:18 |
| lcuk | but it would get punters behind it | 17:18 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Once started, it has to run. And I need to capture news from the banks of contributors already signed up, otherwise I'll miss stuff. | 17:18 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: If it's good, people will like it whenever it comes. | 17:18 |
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| RST38h | BTW, can a gtk+ widget be owned by TWO widgets at once? | 17:20 |
| aep | hm anyone got irrlicht or something similar working on maemo5? irrlicht doesnt compile and i dont even want to try ogre | 17:20 |
| frals | anyone else having problems submitting to extras-assistant? | 17:20 |
| lcuk | RST38h, hmmm you can reparent them i believe | 17:20 |
| lcuk | but a widget only has 1 parent | 17:20 |
| RST38h | ah ok | 17:21 |
| xorAxAx | does anyone have the urls of the repository mirror? | 17:21 |
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| lcuk | hiya javispedro | 17:21 |
| ShadowJK | tmo throwing database error at me | 17:21 |
| javispedro | morning | 17:21 |
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| RST38h | hello javispedro | 17:22 |
| dotblank | hmm anyone use corporate gmail on the n900? | 17:22 |
| javispedro | hi RST38h, did you get HAA to work? | 17:23 |
| petteri | i am having trouble getting google talk working with my desktop and n900 | 17:23 |
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| petteri | also with fring from iphone to n900 | 17:24 |
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| petteri | i get the call. It rings only ones and then hangs up | 17:25 |
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| petteri | does anyone have any success with google talk, if so with what combination | 17:25 |
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| petteri | I am looking dbus-monitor output when the call comes and there is at least the following error: "Codec negotiation failed: There was no intersection between the remote codecs and the local ones" | 17:26 |
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| lcuk | petteri, im guessing theres some sort of codec problem then | 17:27 |
| revnil | xor: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ | 17:28 |
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| cpscotti | Hey.. anyone there using "X-Multiple=True" with success? (for multiple instances of the same widget) | 17:29 |
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| dotblank | wow the browser can work with my work's flash based timesheet system... that is very very cool | 17:31 |
| lcuk | dotblank, many things will surprise you, there is a "wow" thread on tmo | 17:32 |
| lcuk | please post your experiences | 17:33 |
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| frals | could anyone test extras-assistant and see if its only me timing out? | 17:33 |
| lcuk | hold on, ive got an update to the open sound control lib i need to update | 17:34 |
| n1c0 | is it possible to setup wireless network with file instead of gui in maemo4 ? | 17:35 |
| n1c0 | cause some char can't be enterd | 17:35 |
| lcuk | the extras assistant and gmo page before it is slow | 17:35 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: btw, PHP sucks | 17:35 |
| frals | ta lcuk | 17:35 |
| n1c0 | if i can use something like wpa_passphrase it would be nice | 17:36 |
| n1c0 | but ive not found wireless config outgui | 17:36 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: I'm trying to apply all of those principles that I've been using in Java OOP, and the language is so ridiculously limited that I'm struggling like a bastard | 17:36 |
| lcuk | frals, logging in is even a problem | 17:37 |
| SpeedEvil | n1c0: As I understand it - the wireless GUI and configurator are one program. | 17:38 |
| igagis | hi all | 17:38 |
| SpeedEvil | n1c0: and it doesn't take command line arguments. I may of course be confused. | 17:38 |
| igagis | at last! I managed to fix and hildonize theremin for fremantle | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | n1c0: There is no way to setup an encrypted link with the applications on the device | 17:39 |
| igagis | version 1.7.2 is available in extras-testing, feel free to test | 17:39 |
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| n1c0 | SpeedEvil: omg, it's not possible to use wpa_supplicant instead of wizard-hildonized ? | 17:40 |
| n1c0 | this wizard seems buggy cause it only allow alphanumeric char | 17:41 |
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| lcuk | frals, yeah | 17:43 |
| lcuk | confirming | 17:44 |
| frals | lcuk: thanks :) | 17:44 |
| n1c0 | SpeedEvil: do you know what's the package deals with wificonfig ? | 17:44 |
| n1c0 | SpeedEvil: dealing | 17:45 |
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| dotblank | WOW!!!!! holy crap I can send files over gtalk!!! | 17:45 |
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| djkrikke | dotblank, you definitely need a "wow" thread called "the dotblank's wow thread" :D | 17:48 |
| RST38h | By the way, will HildonAnimationActor antialias? | 17:48 |
| petteri | lcuk: do you know more about this codec stuff on n900 google talk. After some researching I am guessting that n900 uses speex codec and my desktop and fring do not. Is there a way to change n900 to use some other codec? | 17:49 |
| lcuk | petteri, i dont, i should really do more research on the matter but im afraid not at the mo | 17:50 |
| dotblank | well if it uses sip I think it would have to support a lot of the voip codecs | 17:50 |
| petteri | lcuk: ok, thanks anyway | 17:50 |
| petteri | gtalk is xmpp jingle I think | 17:51 |
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| ShadowJK | oh oops, vncviewer isn't optified | 18:00 |
| lcuk | is it heavy? | 18:00 |
| ShadowJK | uninstall uninstall uninstall | 18:00 |
| * lcuk will optify entire folders from now on | 18:01 | |
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| * frals is optified | 18:01 | |
| ShadowJK | I don't care about heavy or not really... consider ogg-support... it's all 100k packages that add up to 7 megs or something... | 18:02 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: pong :) | 18:02 |
| ShadowJK | even if it's tiny, all the tiny non-optified cooperate to eat your diskspace.. | 18:02 |
| lcuk | anyone know how i would debug xvideo | 18:03 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: should we move 'Help' out of Utilities as it's a retired component as of Maemo 5? | 18:03 |
| ShadowJK | xvideo is probably not debuggable.. | 18:05 |
| ShadowJK | what's happening? | 18:05 |
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| lcuk | green flash on startup/shutdown | 18:06 |
| lcuk | happened forever on n900 | 18:06 |
| lcuk | im just trying to polish | 18:06 |
| lcuk | the planes are initialised to 0 for the UV channels | 18:06 |
| lcuk | they should be set to 128 | 18:06 |
| lcuk | i know the problem i just dont know where to cure it | 18:06 |
| ShadowJK | heh, it's painting the colourkey before the hardware is configured to paint over it | 18:06 |
| ShadowJK | ? | 18:06 |
| lcuk | no the colorkey is grey | 18:07 |
| lcuk | iit feels like the default data thats set before the mmappedregion is assigned | 18:08 |
| lcuk | but that i cant be sure of | 18:08 |
| lcuk | ie, i ensure the mmapped data is configured correctly and watch for it changing | 18:08 |
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| ShadowJK | with mplayer and ck-method:auto I don't get green on start, but blinding green on exit ;) | 18:09 |
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| lcuk | i think its time dependent too | 18:09 |
| lcuk | liqbase starts up too quickly, if i remember rightly if i slow it down it doesnt flash | 18:10 |
| SpeedEvil | delay painting the colour key? | 18:10 |
| lcuk | dunno how and not really required surely? | 18:10 |
| lcuk | this is lower level than my app, ie it doesnt happen on n810 | 18:10 |
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| ShadowJK | out of the 3 colourkey options mplayer has, "set colourkey to window background" produces most green flash, "draw the colourkey manually" gives some, and "let Xv draw the colourkey" no green on startup | 18:13 |
| lcuk | i dont think i manually apply the colorkey at all | 18:14 |
| lcuk | but i might do, that part of liqbase is a bit coodoo | 18:14 |
| lcuk | i know nothing about x11 or xv | 18:14 |
| lcuk | i just rushed past it when i did it, im happier with the planes themselves | 18:14 |
| lcuk | voodoo ^ | 18:14 |
| javispedro | RST38h: this (antialias) has changed in PR1.1 | 18:15 |
| javispedro | I think PR1.1 does use GL_NEAREST | 18:15 |
| javispedro | ... though I'd like a way to be able to select that. | 18:15 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, would it be possible to show me the code difference for that option so i can check in liqbase | 18:15 |
| lcuk | great that theres something else showing the effect | 18:16 |
| lcuk | and ShadowJK check what happens when you plug charger in, how the overlay copes | 18:16 |
| ShadowJK | uh, whilst overlay is active? | 18:16 |
| lcuk | yeah | 18:17 |
| lcuk | watching a movie and plug charger in | 18:17 |
| pH5 | javispedro: ah, so I'm not imagining things. the blurring animation does loog ugly now. | 18:17 |
| ShadowJK | it would (probably) be in libvo/vo_xv.c in mplayer source.. or libvo2/vo_xv.c | 18:17 |
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| lcuk | ShadowJK, i wouldnt know what im looking for | 18:17 |
| ShadowJK | sec, let me move to my computer then :) | 18:18 |
| lcuk | cool | 18:18 |
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| woglinde | hi ph5 | 18:18 |
| inz | red, http://content.comicskingdom.net/Hagar_The_Horrible/Hagar_The_Horrible.20100123_large.gif | 18:18 |
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| pH5 | hej woglinde | 18:19 |
| ShadowJK | http://repo.or.cz/w/mplayer.git/blob/master:/libvo/vo_xv.c I'm thinking the fun starts at line 654 | 18:23 |
| ShadowJK | hmm | 18:23 |
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| ShadowJK | but the function I expected to be further down wasn't :) | 18:23 |
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| cpscotti | (for the sake of logs "X-Multiple=True" != "X-Multiple=true") | 18:25 |
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| lcuk | ShadowJK, thanks, it now confirms im not setting anything (x11_common.c contains a function int vo_xv_init_colorkey(void)) which applies the setting started there | 18:28 |
| ShadowJK | yeah I was just looking at that too | 18:28 |
| ShadowJK | btw, best results with MPlayer I got with ck-method=man:ck=set -colorkey 0x000000 which I guess technically gives a black flash on startup, but it's more unnoticeable I guess? | 18:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | cpscotti: nice | 18:29 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, i dont tihnk its that in my case | 18:30 |
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| lcuk | i tried with red x11 creen and blue xv, i still get green flashes | 18:30 |
| ShadowJK | I guess it defaults to auto or something then? | 18:30 |
| lcuk | x11 window ^ | 18:30 |
| cpscotti | timeless_mbp: yeah it stole me one hour of wandering around for it.. google found some refs to it in this logs.. but nothing as explicit as what I just did | 18:30 |
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| lcuk | i think so, it really does feel like some default somewhere | 18:31 |
| lcuk | hence me wanting to get it debugged in place | 18:31 |
| lcuk | just try installing liqflow | 18:31 |
| timeless_mbp | cpscotti: heh, i'm all for leaving useful turds where they can be found | 18:31 |
| ShadowJK | vo_xv_draw_colorkey comments sure seems to suggest there's some voodoo to getting xv to look nice :) | 18:31 |
| Luser | what is the solution used for optifying? (I don't have an n900) | 18:31 |
| Luser | links, LD_PRELOAD, rebuild, chroot? | 18:31 |
| cpscotti | hehehe.. it's like leaving clues for the future generations.... haha | 18:31 |
| ShadowJK | Luser, symlinks | 18:32 |
| Luser | ugghh | 18:32 |
| Luser | why don't people (re)build with --prefix? | 18:32 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder that too | 18:32 |
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| lcuk | Luser, because many apps need more than a simple change | 18:33 |
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| lcuk | of course for those that are happy doing that, its good | 18:33 |
| lcuk | but not all are | 18:33 |
| ShadowJK | PATH doesn't include anything in /opt, and ld.so.conf doesn't include anything either. The first issue is solvable by just putting a symlink in /usr/bin to the executable | 18:33 |
| Luser | but then it needs also something in ldconfig to fetch the lib in /opt/lib probably. and path yes. but still, much nicer. | 18:33 |
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| lcuk | Luser, i am happy doing my optification with 1 single symlink | 18:34 |
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| lcuk | i cant change all my apps | 18:34 |
| lcuk | but i can optify them all with that one link | 18:34 |
| ShadowJK | The amount of software written for Linux that I encounter, that doesn't support a --prefix type thing, even when not using autotools, is quite close to 0 :) | 18:34 |
| ShadowJK | But then we have people like lcuk who's never written for anything but maemo :D | 18:35 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 18:35 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, i have extensive experience writing software for windows, linux however was entirely maemo | 18:35 |
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| woglinde | for symlink foopackage.link is suggested | 18:36 |
| woglinde | args .links | 18:36 |
| lcuk | woglinde, what do you mean? | 18:36 |
| ShadowJK | aw, we don't have a ld.so.conf.d :( | 18:36 |
| woglinde | lcuk you dont have to set links inside your package manually | 18:36 |
| lcuk | ahhh, please explain | 18:36 |
| woglinde | debhelpers here dh_links make it for you | 18:37 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder if the 'ldconfig' on N900 would pick up if one were to create it | 18:37 |
| lcuk | i was going to make the inflection point in liqbasemake a symlink in preinst | 18:37 |
| woglinde | nonononononononon | 18:37 |
| woglinde | debian/navit.links | 18:37 |
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| woglinde | opt/navit/bin/navit usr/bin/navit | 18:37 |
| woglinde | second line is the content | 18:38 |
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| lcuk | what if i wanted to symlink folders | 18:38 |
| woglinde | same | 18:38 |
| lcuk | does it get run before installation of the contents | 18:38 |
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| lcuk | so i could make | 18:38 |
| woglinde | after | 18:38 |
| lcuk | /usr/share/liqbase a symlink | 18:39 |
| lcuk | then install 1gb of data into it | 18:39 |
| lcuk | on the 256 mb / | 18:39 |
| woglinde | which files will be installed and where you can control with foopackage.files | 18:39 |
| lcuk | yes, supposing my package contained a 1gb file | 18:39 |
| lcuk | the way you are describing it would fail | 18:39 |
| lcuk | because the 256mb rootfs wont fit | 18:40 |
| woglinde | install 1gig to /opt/liquasessewbase/share/libabadaswe | 18:40 |
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| lcuk | the way i am describing by making the symlink BEFORE the file is copied | 18:40 |
| lcuk | works | 18:40 |
| woglinde | and link it to /usr/share/liqfdhfhabvse | 18:40 |
| lcuk | thats very hard and convoluted | 18:40 |
| lcuk | its not 1 file | 18:40 |
| lcuk | its a list of 100 10mb files | 18:40 |
| lcuk | maybe 102 next time | 18:40 |
| lcuk | etc | 18:40 |
| lcuk | unmanageable | 18:40 |
| woglinde | you dont have configure? | 18:40 |
| woglinde | hm | 18:41 |
| woglinde | later I will upload | 18:41 |
| woglinde | navit | 18:41 |
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| lcuk | my way, with that 1 premade symlink everything "just works" | 18:41 |
| woglinde | you can look at it and get a clue | 18:41 |
| woglinde | I need to go shopping now | 18:41 |
| woglinde | till later | 18:41 |
| lcuk | ok woglinde cya | 18:41 |
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| * lcuk codes | 18:43 | |
| * frals refactors | 18:43 | |
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| * lcuk raises a glass to fragment | 18:44 | |
| DocScrutinizer | +optification | 18:44 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: I've had some success recently with doing properly OO PHP; I can send you a zip if you want? | 18:44 |
| lcuk | frals even | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~optification | 18:44 |
| lcuk | grrr @ noobs nicking your nick | 18:44 |
| infobot | somebody said optification was a botch to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR | 18:44 |
| frals | :D | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | even | 18:44 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: it's definitely possible, it's just harder -- the language wasn't designed for it | 18:44 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: things like getting stacktrace and shit | 18:44 |
| crashanddie | getting it to play nice with polymorphism is a bitch too | 18:45 |
| crashanddie | having __CLASS__ everywhere isn't elegant under the reign of $ | 18:45 |
| crashanddie | and then you have to do stupid things | 18:45 |
| ShadowJK | I forget... why wasn't a /usr/local and proper ld.so.conf and PATH set instead of optification... | 18:45 |
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| mikhas | where do I get a decent version of python for sbox? | 18:46 |
| crashanddie | like instead of being able to do $_instance = new __CLASS__;, you have to do $c = __CLASS__; $_instance = new $c; | 18:46 |
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| * javispedro watches some Gtk GUI grow to the 1000 LoC mark | 18:49 | |
| RST38h | What is LoC? | 18:49 |
| RST38h | Something bad? | 18:49 |
| javispedro | ... specially when I wanted it to remain simple | 18:49 |
| inz | RST, extremely bad | 18:49 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: ^ | 18:49 |
| RST38h | ah, it is probably lines of code | 18:51 |
| ShadowJK | yes, Linus says more LOC rhan your screen is bad | 18:51 |
| javispedro | yep | 18:51 |
| mikhas | that is why you shouldnt document your source, to cut down on LOC | 18:51 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Ah, but the adepts of software engineering have solved this problem | 18:51 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: They just break anything bigger than the screenful of code into multiple little functions! =) | 18:52 |
| mikhas | *they*? you don't? | 18:52 |
| RST38h | No. | 18:52 |
| mikhas | each function name serves as a comment | 18:52 |
| mikhas | intent intent intent | 18:52 |
| RST38h | And using comments to serve as comments is not eleet enough? | 18:52 |
| crashanddie | Linus is a wanker | 18:53 |
| crashanddie | and it's time people stop listening to him like a living god | 18:53 |
| mikhas | no, it is simply not *strict* enough =) | 18:53 |
| ShadowJK | yes.... do_crap(){crap1();crap3();uncrap7(crap9); goto complete;} | 18:53 |
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| RST38h | It is pretty much a difference of having a huge toad sit in the middle of your room and having that toad squished, with guts all over your floor and walls | 18:53 |
| crashanddie | for fuck's sake, he was a guy who became famous for not going out and staying in his room during the best years of his life to write something he had no clue how to make money of | 18:53 |
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| javispedro | well, he's married. | 18:54 |
| RST38h | Not really | 18:54 |
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| RST38h | He became famous for being bitchslapped by Tannenbaum whose MINIX OS he forked | 18:54 |
| crashanddie | Linus says "More LoC per function than screen can display is bad"? Fuck that shit. If I write on a 24", I just flucked anyone who is still catching up on 15" | 18:55 |
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| ShadowJK | he thought he only lifted the minix fs for his protected mode terminal emulator/bbs dialer | 18:55 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Have you got PHPEclipse? It's quite good with code complete 'n' stuff | 18:55 |
| * RST38h reminds everyone that if your function is only called once throughout your code, it probably should not be a function | 18:55 | |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: nha, just using gedit | 18:55 |
| mikhas | RST38h, disagree | 18:56 |
| mikhas | completely | 18:56 |
| ShadowJK | I believe he defined screen as 80x24 too ;-) | 18:56 |
| lcuk | it should be made int oa class and have header, doc page and pretty screenshot | 18:56 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: Amusingly, he got the honors not from the fact of copying MINIX | 18:56 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK: then it's even more of a ridiculous statement | 18:56 |
| ShadowJK | but don't trust my poor memory... it's in Linux codingstyle file... | 18:56 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: But solely on the basis of his lack of knowledge | 18:56 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: can't be bothered to load up a full IDE | 18:57 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: AFAIK, never quite forgotten that ;) | 18:57 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: don't forget, I used to be a PHP contrib, never ever used a PHP IDE... most of my code's been written on vi :P | 18:57 |
| fragment | lcuk: wrong person but thanks anyway?;D | 18:57 |
| lcuk | lol yeah fragment i have been using fra as a prefix to talk with frals for a while | 18:57 |
| lcuk | xchat hasnt learnt | 18:57 |
| frals | need better ai in xchat, deffo | 18:58 |
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| lcuk | nahh just get anyone conflicting with your nick to change theirs ;) | 18:58 |
| RST38h | frals: I am sure you can teach emacs do irc | 18:58 |
| RST38h | In...mhm...LISP | 18:58 |
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| lardman | re | 18:59 |
| frals | >_< | 18:59 |
| lcuk | hiya lardman | 18:59 |
| crashanddie | yo lardman | 18:59 |
| * frals goes back to cuddling with python | 18:59 | |
| lardman | hi lcuk | 18:59 |
| lardman | hi crashanddie, how's down under? | 18:59 |
| crashanddie | warm, wet, welcome | 18:59 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Ah, true. Oh well, in that case I'd appreciate your comments on the stuff I've just sent you; rather than the other way around :) | 18:59 |
| lardman | better than cold and wet here" | 18:59 |
| lardman | ! | 18:59 |
| crashanddie | lardman: that's just the girls though, the country is nice to | 19:00 |
| crashanddie | too | 19:00 |
| lardman | lol | 19:00 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: if I have time, sure | 19:00 |
| crashanddie | lardman: you have no idea how often I've cracked that joke in the past week | 19:00 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: A very lightweight little persistence layer in there; SQL across lots of layers is shit-on-a-stick ;-) | 19:00 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: I wrote a PHP framework some time ago with a friend | 19:01 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: basically it was a full rewrite of cakePHP to best leverage PHP5 | 19:01 |
| lardman | crashanddie: good every time no doubt | 19:01 |
| xorAxAx | how do i quit supertux? | 19:04 |
| mikhas | xorAxAx, by switching to another drug, say cocaine | 19:05 |
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| mikhas | tried ctrl + backspace? | 19:05 |
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| zemm | crashanddie did i understand your earlier point correctly: because linus spent most of his time coding, you should not listen to him when it comes to coding? :) | 19:06 |
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| crashanddie | zemm: nope, you completely missed my point | 19:06 |
| RST38h | Linus has been bitten by a penguin, literally. | 19:06 |
| RST38h | So, as far as I am concerned he has been compromised | 19:07 |
| RST38h | Do not believe anything he tell you, he is now working for the enemies of the human race | 19:07 |
| * RST38h cackles diabolically | 19:07 | |
| Luser | lol mikhas | 19:07 |
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| lardman | is extras-devel down again? | 19:15 |
| lardman | ~ping | 19:15 |
| infobot | ~pong | 19:15 |
| lardman | hmm, ok, so it's not my connection anyway | 19:16 |
| lardman | An error occurred while processing your request. | 19:16 |
| lardman | Reference #97.783183e.1264267011.16a245b9 | 19:16 |
| lardman | interesting, and that's from a web browser | 19:17 |
| davyg | hi, i'm trying to install some app from ovi website, it launches the app manager begin the installation but block just there, the bar stay blank | 19:17 |
| lardman | looks like the repos might be down | 19:17 |
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| lardman | typical sod's law, I get back from an extremely painful afternoon of shopping and think I might just do some coding, and the bloody repos aren't working | 19:19 |
| * lardman heads for a glass of wine | 19:19 | |
| keesj | I uploaded my first package using the web interface. this morning. How can I see what the status is? is https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/ the only way? | 19:19 |
| lardman | keesj: pretty much yep | 19:19 |
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| lardman | keesj: you should be able to see the build dir if you look at someone else's package and go up a dir | 19:19 |
| lardman | see where it's got to | 19:19 |
| lcuk | keesj, the couldron-builds links to the web interface directly | 19:19 |
| lcuk | you can monitor the build logs online rather than just the mails | 19:20 |
| lcuk | what lardman said lol | 19:20 |
| lardman | :) | 19:21 |
| lardman | hmm, so extras-* is not working and sdk is veeeerrrryyyyy slow | 19:21 |
| keesj | so probably I did not make it to the system and I need to try something else (ssh upload) | 19:21 |
| lcuk | lardman, you moved over completly to qt now | 19:21 |
| lardman | keesj: is the build dir not there? | 19:21 |
| lcuk | keesj, i tihnk the servers are borkened | 19:21 |
| lcuk | for everyone | 19:22 |
| lardman | lcuk: aiming for that, though I've not done the work that was dragly; been a busy few weeks at the day job | 19:22 |
| lcuk | ditto for all of us | 19:22 |
| lcuk | your idea of wine is interesting | 19:22 |
| lcuk | ill follow it up with more beer | 19:22 |
| lcuk | i had an error exception come up earlier | 19:23 |
| keesj | Ok I will try again next week :p | 19:23 |
| lcuk | but i managed to fix it by installing new packages | 19:23 |
| lcuk | E:NOMOREBEER | 19:24 |
| lardman | lol | 19:24 |
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| lardman | I really hope they sort this weekend brokenness out | 19:24 |
| lcuk | yeah its frustrating | 19:24 |
| lardman | is pretty much the only time I can code atm with workload, so just means I don't bother | 19:25 |
| lcuk | i know simon | 19:25 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, and tero and the others want it all working smoothly | 19:25 |
| lardman | yeah of course | 19:25 |
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| lardman | I couldn't get jebba's mirror to work last weekend | 19:26 |
| lardman | I could download individual files, but not apt-get from it | 19:26 |
| lcuk | mirror the mirror! | 19:27 |
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| lardman | do we know what the issue is this time round? | 19:28 |
| lardman | apparently not a DNS problem anymore, just a server load thing causing timeouts? | 19:28 |
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| lcuk | lardman, not sure at all, ive been on downtime all day after coming back from .hel last night | 19:29 |
| lcuk | so just hearing the word from around etc | 19:29 |
| lardman | actually it was working 20min ago, at least I managed to apt-get install some stuff | 19:29 |
| lardman | then suddenly died | 19:29 |
| * w00t blames lcuk | 19:30 | |
| lardman | good plan | 19:30 |
| lardman | :) | 19:30 |
| mikhas | it's only updating the indices that doesnt work for me. installing apps seems to work just fine here | 19:30 |
| w00t | in other news | 19:30 |
| * lcuk flames w00t | 19:30 | |
| w00t | http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/1683/c40634ed0b074c639a9b96f3c570fc75.jpg <- it almost doesn't look like crap now! | 19:30 |
| Jef91 | Is there a way I can edit the words my n900 uses for auto-complete while I am typing? | 19:30 |
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| mikhas | "Hi there"? | 19:31 |
| lcuk | w00t, that looks like liq* app | 19:31 |
| lcuk | at least it would if you made it bigger | 19:31 |
| w00t | lcuk: Qt | 19:31 |
| lcuk | i meant the colors and style | 19:31 |
| w00t | ah | 19:31 |
| mikhas | red and green ... lcuk patented the use of those colours =) | 19:31 |
| lardman | mikhas: hmm, right you are | 19:31 |
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| lcuk | mikhas, :D | 19:32 |
| lcuk | indeed | 19:32 |
| lcuk | http://www.flickr.com/photos/38672658@N07/3796816958/ | 19:32 |
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| * lardman stops ranting so much now | 19:32 | |
| lcuk | you finished your first bottle already? | 19:32 |
| lardman | nowhere near | 19:32 |
| lardman | only just got in from a marathon 6hr of shopping | 19:32 |
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| lardman | with a pint midway to keep me going | 19:33 |
| lcuk | heh | 19:33 |
| crashanddie | lol | 19:33 |
| lcuk | whatever took so long? | 19:33 |
| crashanddie | I'm getting some weird email | 19:33 |
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| lcuk | infact whatever it was, did you end up in the first shop again | 19:33 |
| lardman | trying to buy me some jeans | 19:33 |
| lcuk | you? | 19:33 |
| lardman | pretty much | 19:33 |
| lardman | yeah, I do wear clothes too! ;) | 19:33 |
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| RST38h | for 6hr in a row? | 19:34 |
| crashanddie | "Hi Sebastian, I'm not sure if you remember me, my name is Anna we flew together to Kiev from London" | 19:34 |
| lcuk | yeah but men shop in 10minutes | 19:34 |
| * w00t hugs Qt.red, and Qt.green. | 19:34 | |
| lardman | no, some other Holly-shopping interspersed | 19:34 |
| lardman | yeah, well I would have given up and killed all the staff in the shops in the first 10min | 19:34 |
| lcuk | lol w00t | 19:34 |
| lardman | actually it would be the people who make the clothes I would kill, as a 34-34 is not the same from one pair of jeans to another | 19:35 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: wow | 19:35 |
| FredrIQ | kiev sounds.. i've heard that place before | 19:35 |
| FredrIQ | brb 1m | 19:35 |
| kuriiri | repos down? | 19:35 |
| crashanddie | men go in, look, decide, pay, leave. Whether it's jewels, TVs, trousers or prostitutes. | 19:35 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: not precisely | 19:36 |
| timeless_mbp | we can be enticed to stay a while | 19:36 |
| lardman | crashanddie: I went in, decided, wife disuaded me from killing them all and took me to the next shop, repeat | 19:36 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 19:36 |
| FredrIQ | ah, ofc, capital in ucraine (and yes, my english-contry pwnd) | 19:36 |
| crashanddie | FredrIQ: you ought to remove the "IQ" bit of your nickname | 19:36 |
| FredrIQ | my geography too, but w/e | 19:36 |
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| FredrIQ | crashanddie: meh. :p | 19:37 |
| lcuk | lardman, i believe the wig and dress has gone to your head. | 19:37 |
| crashanddie | lardman wearing a wig? A dress? | 19:37 |
| lcuk | you as a man should not care that a 24^2 pair of jeans is different | 19:37 |
| timeless_mbp | FredrIQ: at least lowercase the Q and perhaps the I | 19:37 |
| lcuk | 34 | 19:37 |
| crashanddie | I thought the wife was the one into role-playing | 19:37 |
| FredrIQ | !fiq ghost | 19:37 |
| FredrIQ | Ups, wrong channel | 19:37 |
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| RST38h | Which reminds me... | 19:38 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: it's a good library | 19:38 |
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| lardman | crashanddie: stag-do | 19:39 |
| crashanddie | I thought you were already married | 19:39 |
| lardman | lcuk: I was dragged around a lot of silver shops between the jeans shipping | 19:39 |
| lardman | shopping | 19:39 |
| lardman | crashanddie: yeah, is from my stag-do | 19:39 |
| timeless_mbp | stag-do?? | 19:40 |
| lardman | dressed up in a wig and dress, etc | 19:40 |
| lardman | timeless_mbp: bachelor night? | 19:40 |
| lcuk | therefore simon, you were not in charge of hte shopping trip | 19:40 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: you're jewish, you couldn't understand | 19:40 |
| lardman | lcuk: no, of course nor | 19:40 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 19:40 |
| lcuk | holly dragged you out with an ulterior motive | 19:40 |
| lcuk | lol | 19:40 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: know how in a jewish marriage the men and women are separated, and bride and groom are carried on a chair and then they get united? | 19:40 |
| crashanddie | (I'm more testing my own knowledge than yours really, so just confirm) | 19:40 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 19:41 | |
| timeless_mbp | i think that's more of a party thing | 19:41 |
| timeless_mbp | the primary part of the wedding involves the woman coming and circling the man | 19:41 |
| lcuk | of course, BDSM marriages are similar, but it finishes when they get untied | 19:41 |
| crashanddie | well, a stag-do isn't too far removed from that. basically, the night before the wedding, bride goes away with maids of honour, groom goes away with best buddies, for the "last best night of his life". | 19:42 |
| timeless_mbp | the explanation on that is that she's marking him as her's, all her's | 19:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: i certainly know of bachelor's parties | 19:42 |
| lardman | basically a good excuse to get pissed with your male friends, and dress up as ladies, almost get into fights with drunk football supporters, etc., etc. | 19:42 |
| timeless_mbp | but i never really figured out how they fit into my picture | 19:42 |
| timeless_mbp | if the answer is that "they're a christian thing" | 19:42 |
| timeless_mbp | that simplifies things :) | 19:43 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: nothing to do with christianity | 19:43 |
| crashanddie | it's a cultural thing more than anything | 19:43 |
| timeless_mbp | well, i'm an American | 19:43 |
| crashanddie | yeah, but jewish american | 19:43 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm quite certain we had bachelor's parties on that side of the pond :) | 19:43 |
| crashanddie | were you ever invited? | 19:43 |
| timeless_mbp | nope | 19:43 |
| crashanddie | or have you ever organised one? | 19:43 |
| timeless_mbp | nope | 19:43 |
| lardman | good for you | 19:43 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't think the jewish guys i knew had them | 19:44 |
| * w00t will be getting married sometime in the next few years | 19:44 | |
| w00t | terrifying times | 19:44 |
| timeless_mbp | and in at least a couple of instances, i'd expect i would have noticed | 19:44 |
| lardman | lol | 19:44 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t: _years_? | 19:44 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: watch the movie "the hangover" | 19:44 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: pretty much sums up the whole idea | 19:44 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: we're in no rush, and we want to relocate to her home country and settle down first | 19:44 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: oh, i'm pretty sure i vaguely understand it | 19:44 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: my brother will still beat me, he was engaged for (iirc) 6 years | 19:45 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: I don't doubt it, but the scene were the guy notices a tiger in the bathroom while peeing is worth watching anyway | 19:45 |
| lcuk | get very drunk with male friends, try not to forget wedding next day. | 19:45 |
| crashanddie | s/were/where/ | 19:45 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: timeless_mbp: I don't doubt it, but the scene where the guy notices a tiger in the bathroom while peeing is worth watching anyway | 19:45 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: ok. | 19:45 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, so did you answer your email | 19:45 |
| lcuk | do you remember her | 19:46 |
| lcuk | and just where did you write your email address lol | 19:46 |
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| crashanddie | well, I remember fucking her earrings off in my hotel room roughly 3 hours after landing | 19:46 |
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| crashanddie | but I don't remember giving her my business card | 19:46 |
| crashanddie | and she emailed my business address | 19:46 |
| lcuk | heh you earnt extra air miles | 19:47 |
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| Kegetys | hmm, in the maemo sdk installer, who do I get forward from the nokia binaries dialog? the next button is grayed out unless I deselect the nokia binaries install | 19:48 |
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| Kegetys | using the gui installer | 19:49 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: make more sense btw? :P | 19:49 |
| lcuk | Kegetys, i tihnk theres server issues | 19:49 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t: yeah | 19:49 |
| Wolfie | Kegetys: yeah, the gui installer is buggy. I got past it by luck once | 19:49 |
| timeless_mbp | which country btw? :) | 19:49 |
| Kegetys | :/ | 19:50 |
| lcuk | >> actually coding this time | 19:50 |
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| w00t | timeless_mbp: _now_, or future? now is UK (though I'm originally from Australia, long story, I'll tell it to you over a beer someday).. she's from Norway, and we plan to move there, once she's finished her degree and we figure out how we can do so financially | 19:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | wow | 19:51 |
| w00t | yeah.. | 19:52 |
| w00t | I have an interesting history | 19:52 |
| w00t | :P | 19:52 |
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| xorAxAx | who said that maemo does not execute all init.d scripts? | 19:55 |
| xorAxAx | i bricked my device because of this false information | 19:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | heh | 19:56 |
| xorAxAx | init.d script starting a program which does not daemonize because a program parameter is misisng | 19:56 |
| gs200 | someone please help, i am using hildon_time_button_new function to input time but sdk display is showing wdget_va_12hours and wdget_va_12minutes list rather than numerical values like (00-12)hrs and (00-60)minutes. | 19:56 |
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| xorAxAx | BabelO_: hi, i tried your rds transmitter but it only showed "rds linu". is the order of program launch important? | 19:58 |
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| Mr_Kite_ | are both http://www.catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/ and http://repository.maemo.org down, or have I got some other problem?? | 20:00 |
| Mr_Kite_ | also, what can I do if I've forgotten the password for my usual nickname on freenode? | 20:00 |
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| woglinde | re | 20:01 |
| spectre- | haha | 20:01 |
| spectre- | love xchat | 20:01 |
| timeless_mbp | gs200: so | 20:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | i can give you a "Fix" for that | 20:01 |
| spectre- | can ioquake3 do multiplayer? | 20:01 |
| Mr_Kite_ | and yes, im quite sure ioquake3 can do multiplayer | 20:02 |
| woglinde | *sigh* | 20:02 |
| spectre- | sweet | 20:02 |
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| gs200 | timeless_mbp: i want that sdk should display hours and minutes to select from | 20:03 |
| timeless_mbp | gs200: so... are you sure that wdget_va_12hours is spelled right? | 20:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | wdgt_va_12h_time_am wdgt_va_12h_time_pm wdgt_va_12h_hours | 20:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | your spelling is bad :) | 20:04 |
| * timeless_mbp should never assume that coders can spell | 20:04 | |
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| gs200 | sorry it is wdget_va_12h_hours | 20:04 |
| spectre- | i think date selection on the n900 calendar datepicker would be more intuitive if it were in calendar form | 20:04 |
| timeless_mbp | gs200: note that there's no "e" in the wdgt_ prefix | 20:05 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm copying from my translation | 20:05 |
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| spectre- | is there a deb for that? ;o | 20:05 |
| timeless_mbp | spectre-: for what? | 20:05 |
| gs200 | timeless_mbp: ok | 20:05 |
| timeless_mbp | spectre-: mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/ has the sources | 20:06 |
| spectre- | turning the calendar datepicker system into calendar form | 20:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | the calendar should be in there somewhere | 20:06 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/find?string=hildon.*calendar | 20:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | seems fairly promising | 20:06 |
| spectre- | when creating appointments i mean | 20:06 |
| spectre- | ah lemme look | 20:06 |
| timeless_mbp | please feel free to write up a decent replacement | 20:06 |
| timeless_mbp | the calendar we have today, indeed sucks | 20:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | if you can get a better one, i'm pretty sure konttori_nokia can be convinced to help get it integrated | 20:07 |
| spectre- | i don't actually mind it | 20:07 |
| timeless_mbp | at this point, he roughly speaking owns improving Maemo 5's UI | 20:07 |
| woglinde | can someone call x-fade to unbork autobuilder? | 20:07 |
| woglinde | *g* | 20:07 |
| Mr_Kite | so, noone knows if the repositories are down or not? | 20:07 |
| spectre- | i just think it could be more intuitive with that mod | 20:07 |
| woglinde | garage is down | 20:07 |
| timeless_mbp | and I personally *hate* the fact that i can't tell the calendar "I want 'next week' for an event or 'two weeks from thursday' for an event" | 20:07 |
| timeless_mbp | spectre-: oh, it'd be infinitely better | 20:07 |
| timeless_mbp | please please please try to do it :) | 20:08 |
| woglinde | but now I get a little bit frustrated | 20:08 |
| spectre- | ah | 20:08 |
| woglinde | weeken I have most time to work on maemo stuff | 20:08 |
| timeless_mbp | spectre-: please don't think i'm blowing you off | 20:08 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: and worse - you have to actually calculate it in your head if you want - say 'next wendnesday' - and this is the 27th | 20:08 |
| spectre- | what language do i need to know? | 20:08 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: yes yes | 20:08 |
| timeless_mbp | spectre-: C/gtk | 20:08 |
| spectre- | i'll look into it | 20:08 |
| timeless_mbp | but if you write a demo in another language, perhaps we can get it ported | 20:08 |
| spectre- | it can't be that complicated | 20:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | certainly doing it in straight C/gtk would make it easier to get it considered | 20:09 |
| timeless_mbp | spectre-: i'm hoping it wouldn't be | 20:09 |
| spectre- | what's easily portable | 20:09 |
| spectre- | k | 20:09 |
| spectre- | yeah that link looks like the n810 gui | 20:09 |
| spectre- | but yes | 20:10 |
| spectre- | like that | 20:10 |
| spectre- | good link | 20:10 |
| spectre- | thx | 20:10 |
| Mr_Kite | can other people successfully update the list of available applications to install? | 20:10 |
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| xorAxAx | gah, servers should be up | 20:10 |
| Luser | yes | 20:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Mr_Kite: you can easily create your own repository, which users can add. | 20:11 |
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| Mr_Kite | http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ definitely doesn;t open in a normal browser window, so doesn't that mean it's down? | 20:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | Mr_Kite: well, 'maybe' | 20:14 |
| timeless_mbp | An error occurred while processing your request. | 20:14 |
| timeless_mbp | Reference #97.35f6d4d9.1264270430.2d8515 | 20:14 |
| timeless_mbp | the site does load eventually :) | 20:14 |
| Mr_Kite | what do you mean by, it does load eventually? sometimes it forwards me to the nokia online shop, but it never successfully gives me a list of software | 20:14 |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 20:15 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't think it's supposed to be a publicly browsable url | 20:15 |
| spectre- | is there a rolling changelog i can look at somewhere for the OS? | 20:15 |
| timeless_mbp | so i think your expected results are wrong :) | 20:15 |
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| calidore | I'm heaving the same issue with the repository | 20:15 |
| timeless_mbp | spectre-: not really | 20:15 |
| calidore | "An error occurred while processing your request." | 20:15 |
| Mr_Kite | I realise it's not supposed to be a publically accessible url, but the fact that my tablet can't update the list of avaialble software also leads me to believe it's down/ though there is a chance i've configured somethign wrong | 20:16 |
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| Luser | do they use akamai? | 20:16 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 20:16 |
| Luser | maybe with this reference we can complain? :) | 20:16 |
| timeless_mbp | in theory, sure | 20:16 |
| xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: have you tried gpe calendar? | 20:16 |
| timeless_mbp | good luck on a Saturday night :) | 20:17 |
| timeless_mbp | feel free to call Nokia Care and complain | 20:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | (seriously, please do complain to them, they're the bean counter collecting team) | 20:17 |
| Mr_Kite | Isn't it quite a major thing for the official repository to go down? I mean, can you imagine the Apple Store going down? | 20:17 |
| Luser | timeless_mbp actually I think that would be the only solution to make things move, that customer ($$) complain | 20:17 |
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| xorAxAx | Mr_Kite: the ovi repo is still up as far as i can see | 20:18 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: the problem with that is that you're assuming Nokia Care are more useful than a pile of crap | 20:18 |
| timeless_mbp | Mr_Kite: well. the equivalent of Apple Store is store.ovi.com | 20:18 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t: no | 20:18 |
| w00t | they certainly weren't the time I tried to talk to them | 20:18 |
| timeless_mbp | they're bean counters | 20:18 |
| timeless_mbp | they count beans | 20:18 |
| timeless_mbp | i've seen their bean counting reports | 20:18 |
| timeless_mbp | i *know* they count beans | 20:18 |
| timeless_mbp | and i know they report their bean counting | 20:18 |
| w00t | I explained my problem to two people, 4 times, before giving up, hanging up the phone, and dialing back to get someone else | 20:18 |
| timeless_mbp | and i know that if you get enough beans into one bin someone pays attention | 20:18 |
| w00t | they're mentally deficient | 20:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'm not arguing that point | 20:19 |
| timeless_mbp | they're bean counters. | 20:19 |
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| alterego | Using the N900 is so much nicer than using a Symbian device. I think I'm going to cry when I give it back to my brother next week :( | 20:19 |
| timeless_mbp | Mr_Kite: roughly i believe tableteer is closer to Apple's Software update service | 20:20 |
| alterego | Anyhow, better make the most of it. | 20:20 |
| timeless_mbp | which could be down 90% of the time and no one would care | 20:20 |
| timeless_mbp | since they only ship security updates a handful of times a year | 20:20 |
| timeless_mbp | perhaps 12 times a year | 20:20 |
| Mr_Kite | well, OK | 20:20 |
| Luser | apple and updates... security issues not fixed for months is usual. like java.. | 20:20 |
| javispedro | aha, you already unveiled secret corporate information! | 20:20 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not saying it's a *good* thing | 20:20 |
| Mr_Kite | but it's still sort of annoying that it is currently impossible to install any software either from maemo.org or from nokia | 20:21 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: if people couldn't figure out that they counted beans, oh well | 20:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | Mr_Kite: irc logs have urls / information for maemo.org mirrors, look for "jebba" | 20:21 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not saying it doesn't suck | 20:21 |
| timeless_mbp | but complaining here on a saturday night isn't really going to get you very far | 20:22 |
| timeless_mbp | might i suggest you go out into the real world and have some fun? | 20:22 |
| Luser | but not complaining will get you even less far.. | 20:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | your n900 is portable, you can take it with you :) | 20:22 |
| timeless_mbp | Luser: nah. it'll be fixed by Wednesday | 20:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Where would I file - say - performance enhancements to the init scripts - that are simple one-line fixes that shave - say - .5s off boot times? | 20:22 |
| timeless_mbp | it might break again next Saturday, but :) | 20:22 |
| Luser | timeless, lol | 20:22 |
| alterego | Is hermes quite a common package? | 20:23 |
| Luser | clueless people will say that linux is crap cause network hangs.. | 20:23 |
| alterego | Because I'm hinking about depending on it because I need a lib from it. | 20:24 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: heh | 20:24 |
| alterego | I suppose I could just incluede the file, or write my own version. But that would be a bit silly really. | 20:24 |
| lcuk_ | alterego, a lib that hermes depends on? | 20:24 |
| lcuk_ | or a module jaffa wrote inside it | 20:24 |
| alterego | lcuk_: no a lib that hermes provides. | 20:24 |
| alterego | Yeah, | 20:24 |
| timeless_mbp | you could ask the hermes author to split it into libhermes | 20:25 |
| timeless_mbp | so you could depend on it | 20:25 |
| alterego | Yeah | 20:25 |
| timeless_mbp | depending on a package that includes a gui app that the user didn't install is moderately annoying | 20:25 |
| alterego | agreed | 20:25 |
| alterego | Actually, I think I'll just write my own. I don't need 99% of the code. Really I just need one function. | 20:26 |
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| Mr_Kite | well, bye all | 20:35 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: Which bit? | 20:37 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: (of Hermes) | 20:38 |
| alterego | Jaffa: the contact stuff. | 20:39 |
| alterego | Interface with ebook. | 20:39 |
| Jaffa | alterego: i.e. contacts.py? It's only a thin veneer over python-evolution which is already a separate package in Extras | 20:40 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: hey... catorize | 20:40 |
| timeless_mbp | were you going to fix it so i could have 'Browser' in 'All'? | 20:40 |
| Jaffa | alterego: But, it's under the Artistic Licence - feel free to take a copy. The current verison is on last legs anyway, with the Hermes refactor moving it into contact.py | 20:41 |
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| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Yeah, I'll make it so it automatically creates extra .desktops for things which are X-Maemo-Prestarted | 20:41 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 20:41 |
| timeless_mbp | eta? i want to test :) | 20:41 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Or, I could include them in the package. Not sure which yet. | 20:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | no, please it needs to be dynamic | 20:41 |
| timeless_mbp | in case someone is stupid enough to add some later | 20:42 |
| timeless_mbp | (there's one scheduled for 1.2) | 20:42 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Yeah, but then gotta tidy them up at uninstall | 20:42 |
| alterego | Jaffa: thanks, I might just be able to get away with evolution thinking about it :) | 20:42 |
| timeless_mbp | yep | 20:42 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Oh, joy. | 20:42 |
| * alterego checks the API | 20:42 | |
| RST38h | Repository caches are quickly becoming a problem. Another 2MB of / gone | 20:42 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: It's not too bad, shout if you've got any questions | 20:42 |
| alterego | Thanks Jaffa | 20:42 |
| frals | alterego: fMMS got a contacts.py using evolution, its pretty straightforward to use | 20:42 |
| Jaffa | alterego: The biggest problem is if you want access to list-type properties, e.g. emails and URLs | 20:42 |
| frals | (evolution that is, not my ugly contacts.py) | 20:43 |
| alterego | I just need to hash names->msisdns | 20:43 |
| Jaffa | frals: I posit that all contacts.py are ugly ;-) | 20:43 |
| odinm | why cant all apt/dpkg files be moved from rootfs? | 20:43 |
| frals | Jaffa: sounds about right ;) | 20:43 |
| odinm | only executables and libs on rootfs | 20:44 |
| Jaffa | odinm: They can. | 20:44 |
| Jaffa | odinm: They just haven't. There are relatively good pragmatic reasons why the rootfs as a whole is the way it is (i.e. anything reflashed or upgraded by MU); but /var/cache could be symlinked to /home/cache | 20:44 |
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| Luser | repo caches? what about this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=490337&postcount=4 | 20:48 |
| odinm | just need a way to fixup /home/cache with the packages from the rootfs reflash | 20:49 |
| RST38h | the archive cache is pretty much empty when compared to some other items | 20:49 |
| Jaffa | odinm: How much is contained in /var/cache following a reflash? | 20:49 |
| woglinde | re again | 20:50 |
| RST38h | hello woglinde | 20:50 |
| odinm | as part of the first bootup after reflash task, this would also allow N900 to offer user via GUI options on repairing now broken packages | 20:50 |
| odinm | not much Mb possibly in Kb but once you start adding repos dpkg wants to cache repo info | 20:51 |
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| odinm | this already can be the 15Mb and is only going to grow exponentially | 20:52 |
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| odinm | as more and more user contrib stuff and create non maemo.org repos | 20:52 |
| slubman | hello | 20:53 |
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| RST38h | why can't dpkg cache this info elsewhere? | 20:53 |
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| t_s_o | ouch, did i just see android boot faster then maemo on N900? | 20:53 |
| slubman | Is this the right place to ask some questions about mamo programs ? | 20:53 |
| Luser | RST38h, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=490337&postcount=4 | 20:53 |
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| odinm | stubman sure | 20:53 |
| RST38h | Luser: This is apt archive cache, it is unrelated to dpkg package lists | 20:53 |
| odinm | but BOTH are a problem | 20:54 |
| slubman | oki, so I have a question about the included xmpp client | 20:54 |
| RST38h | dpkg stuff is waaay bigger problem. let me demonstrate: | 20:54 |
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| alterego | Can't you just symlink the cache dir? | 20:55 |
| RST38h | 26788 /var/lib/dpkg | 20:55 |
| RST38h | 23240 /var/lib/dpkg/info | 20:55 |
| RST38h | 20728 /var/lib/apt | 20:55 |
| RST38h | 20724 /var/lib/apt/lists | 20:55 |
| RST38h | 8392 /var/cache | 20:55 |
| RST38h | 8348 /var/cache/apt | 20:55 |
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| xorAxAx | RST38h: BZZZZTZ | 20:55 |
| RST38h | Digits on the left are given in kB | 20:55 |
| slubman | Does is try to connect using TLS when "force old ssl" is not checked ? | 20:55 |
| xorAxAx | RST38h: its compressed on disk | 20:55 |
| xorAxAx | RST38h: move it away from the partition and measure df | 20:55 |
| Luser | well then --admindir=dir | 20:55 |
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| woglinde | re pupnik | 20:56 |
| woglinde | hm you can specify the cache dir via commandline or env-variable | 20:56 |
| RST38h | well moving it can be done in a variety of ways, but will it break things/ | 20:56 |
| RST38h | ? | 20:56 |
| Luser | yes, the syntax is quite not easy | 20:56 |
| loppear | lazy chat: any bugs / brainstorms / talk threads about showing the status bar on the dashboard? I really wish time, connection status, etc were visible there, since it's the main place of navigation for me. | 20:57 |
| RST38h | Time not shown on the dashboard? | 20:57 |
| RST38h | Really? | 20:57 |
| RST38h | And I also see connection status shown =) | 20:57 |
| odinm | i found not HAM continued to work fine for me, i even have a script for what i did (so others could follow) | 20:57 |
| loppear | wrong name? the screen of running application snapshots | 20:57 |
| RST38h | oh that | 20:57 |
| RST38h | why would you want to show stuff there? most people do not spend much time there | 20:58 |
| * RST38h had to reboot after 8 days of uptime btw: looks like 51.1 performance still "rots" after 5-7 days of uptime | 20:59 | |
| timeless_mbp | i think /var/lib/apt/lists and /var/cache/apt can both be safely moved to an eMMC w/ symlink | 20:59 |
| woglinde | timeless yes | 20:59 |
| Luser | example for passing dpkg options to apt-get : apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install --reinstall packagename | 20:59 |
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| loppear | RST38h: hmm, maybe my usage then. always end up there for moving between apps - the only button (or Ctrl-Back) that's always available when you're in an app. I don't want to stay there ever, just that it's always step one in getting anywhere else. | 21:00 |
| loppear | RST38h: but maybe mostly an issue with Fennec not showing the status bar. :) | 21:01 |
| Luser | so by putting the right line in /etc/apt.conf.d/42cache all apt-get operations should use the correct dpkg --admindir=/whatever | 21:01 |
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| pupnik | maep is wonderful and simple. just drove with it today. | 21:05 |
| pupnik | made a foam holder for n900 for dashboard | 21:05 |
| kamui | hi pupnik | 21:05 |
| pupnik | hihu | 21:05 |
| kamui | pupnik, do you know if its possible to replace the current system lock screen with a custom made lock | 21:06 |
| goodwill | repos are down again? | 21:06 |
| kamui | im referring to the 10 digit unlock | 21:06 |
| pupnik | no idea | 21:07 |
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| kamui | I think, I might start messing with that | 21:07 |
| kamui | I don't like the 8 digit pad order or the 8 digit pad in genearl | 21:08 |
| kamui | general | 21:08 |
| xorAxAx | goodwill: yes | 21:08 |
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| flux | on midori/os2008, how does one open a link in a new tab? | 21:10 |
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| kamui | pupnik, also do you still have your exult source? | 21:11 |
| kamui | I'd really like to update exult and sdlquake for the N900 | 21:12 |
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| kamui | exult im not sure what I can do yet, haven't seen the source. But I made PSPQuake playable on the psp in 06, so Im pretty familiar with that source | 21:13 |
| kamui | flux: do you find midori tolerable? its speed is amazingly slow | 21:14 |
| pupnik | i must have it on one of my hard drives but i need a hotplug capable usb-ide adapter to search them | 21:14 |
| pupnik | the pos adapter i bought cant do it | 21:15 |
| kamui | roh noes! | 21:15 |
| timeless | hello world | 21:16 |
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| timeless | can someone look at something for me? | 21:16 |
| joppu | Hmm... is there any official logo for Maemo platform? | 21:17 |
| fcrozat | hi all. Is tablets-dev.nokia.com down ? | 21:17 |
| timeless | joppu: yes | 21:17 |
| timeless | well, for maemo.org, yes | 21:17 |
| * RST38h really needs to find someone at Nokia willing to investigate the performance problem =( | 21:17 | |
| timeless | for the platform, no | 21:17 |
| flux | kamui, well, not all sites work with the builtin browser | 21:17 |
| flux | kamui, and it's appears faster than tear | 21:17 |
| * fcrozat wanted to reflash his n900 to see if 32swt_reset is really fixed | 21:17 | |
| joppu | timeless: okey, but yeah, depends at what to look at | 21:17 |
| goodwill | so I have a local copy of ovi maps now | 21:18 |
| kamui | flux: yea, just wondering how your experience was | 21:18 |
| goodwill | but its not possible to search thru locations | 21:18 |
| goodwill | so sad | 21:18 |
| kamui | fennec seems faster even | 21:18 |
| goodwill | so very sad | 21:18 |
| timeless | you *must not* have abiword installed | 21:18 |
| pupnik | i would like to be able to add a directory to playlist in media player | 21:18 |
| pupnik | :( | 21:18 |
| goodwill | kinda hoping for sygic soon | 21:18 |
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| kamui | timeless: whats wrong with abiword? | 21:19 |
| LuciusMare | anybody tried oss on maemo? | 21:19 |
| goodwill | cause it does not seem like ovi maps 3.0 is coming any time soon | 21:19 |
| pupnik | LuciusMare: for /dev/dsp support? | 21:19 |
| timeless | kamui: i'm testing/trying to understand appmanager | 21:19 |
| lcuk_ | LuciusMare, whats OSS? | 21:19 |
| timeless | if you have it installed, you vcan't follow the steps which involve not quite installing it | 21:19 |
| pupnik | im trying to rewrite some oss apps to use alsa. | 21:20 |
| LuciusMare | lcuk_: open sound system, like alsa | 21:20 |
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| * lcuk_ uses open sound control, but thats a different thing | 21:20 | |
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| joppu | timeless: steps to exactly what? | 21:20 |
| alterego | Just thought of a way for people to get around my incoming call firewall. | 21:20 |
| alterego | Just hide their number. | 21:20 |
| timeless | 1. open add/remove (app manager) | 21:20 |
| alterego | I'm going to add that to the configuration to fix it. | 21:21 |
| timeless | 2. you need to haveextras or extras-testing enabled | 21:21 |
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| timeless | if you didn't and they're down, please set one up using jebba's mirror | 21:21 |
| * fcrozat tries to reload tablets-dev, no luck :( | 21:21 | |
| timeless | 3. go to available (download) | 21:22 |
| timeless | 4. select all | 21:22 |
| timeless | 5. scroll to and tap abiword... | 21:22 |
| timeless | 6. tap details | 21:23 |
| timeless | 7. compare the sizes listed on the two tabs | 21:23 |
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| timeless | 8. "why are they different?" | 21:23 |
| timeless | 9. "what do they mean?" | 21:23 |
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| kamui | still haven' figured out why wifi stops working after a while, and I have to reboot to get it back | 21:24 |
| kamui | its wierd | 21:24 |
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| SouBE | is sshfs available for Maemo 5? | 21:24 |
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| odinm | the OVI username / password when it says Nokia is that Nokia forums/shop account? | 21:24 |
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| odinm | kamuni I have what wifi prob but only happens when I download Mb/Gb over ssh/rsync | 21:26 |
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| pupnik | kamui: dont use wpa. | 21:26 |
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| odinm | in my case i dont use any wiki security just MAC firewall on router | 21:26 |
| pupnik | honeypot and sue :) | 21:26 |
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| odinm | right need to reboot phone brb | 21:27 |
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| pupnik | hmm | 21:28 |
| pupnik | seems like some wlan routers are not very friendly | 21:28 |
| timeless | everything that talks to a wifi router is tethered, right? :) | 21:29 |
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| joppu | timeless: "download size" nad | 21:31 |
| joppu | *and | 21:31 |
| joppu | "required size" | 21:32 |
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| timeless | are both summations? | 21:33 |
| joppu | Well, it does download that 8 MB | 21:36 |
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| timeless | does it download more? | 21:36 |
| Luser | odinm, MAC firewall? you know that mac is easy to change right? | 21:36 |
| woglinde | hm does anybody have a script/program at hand which let me easliy sets up a repository? | 21:36 |
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| timeless | dpkg-scanpackages? | 21:37 |
| joppu | timeless: nope, it downloads the 8MB and then proceeds to install | 21:37 |
| timeless | there are a couple | 21:37 |
| Luser | there's no script needed.. only one command DPKG-SCANPACKAGES | 21:37 |
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| timeless | turns out for some stupid reason the dpkg/debian people wanted to make it easy and provided the tool :o | 21:38 |
| asjo | woglinde: I use reprepro http://packages.debian.org/sid/reprepro | 21:38 |
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| timeless | mind you, the syntax is mildly stupid | 21:38 |
| woglinde | hm intressting I didnt need it before | 21:38 |
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| Luser | dpkg-scanpackages binary /dev/null | gzip -9c > binary/Packages.gz | 21:39 |
| odinm | Luser yup (easy to fake) but it is on its own subnet and only has access out to the internet (access from local wired lan to wireless goes via stateful inspection firewall) so i can connect from workstation to phone but not the other way | 21:39 |
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| hcarrega | hi | 21:41 |
| mgregsond | Is repository.maemo.org dead? | 21:41 |
| hcarrega | im having problems with refresh catalogues | 21:41 |
| hcarrega | checking for updates,please wait and stills | 21:41 |
| hcarrega | :) | 21:42 |
| woglinde | yeag infrastructure is down again | 21:42 |
| mgregsond | Heh, me too. Also tried hitting it in a browser, and got a nice error... | 21:42 |
| mgregsond | heh, ok | 21:42 |
| hcarrega | i know that maemo its slow today | 21:42 |
| odinm | again... weekends must be prime contributor time cant they break them midweek | 21:42 |
| kuriiri | enterprisy! | 21:42 |
| woglinde | odinm *g* | 21:42 |
| aquatix | :) | 21:42 |
| hcarrega | dman | 21:42 |
| hcarrega | ops | 21:42 |
| hcarrega | damn | 21:42 |
| woglinde | nobody at mameo.org get paid for weekend | 21:42 |
| woglinde | I guess | 21:42 |
| hcarrega | maemo at weeki | 21:43 |
| hcarrega | 21:43 | |
| hcarrega | weekends | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | they are on it, according to qaiku | 21:43 |
| woglinde | stskeeps thanks for info | 21:43 |
| woglinde | I thought we have to wait until monday again | 21:43 |
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| hcarrega | woglinde: lol | 21:44 |
| hcarrega | nice view | 21:44 |
| hcarrega | :) | 21:44 |
| timeless | fwiw, i used repository.maemo.org to install a package a few minutes ago | 21:45 |
| hcarrega | i can install to | 21:45 |
| hcarrega | but if u hit refresh | 21:45 |
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| timeless | so don't do that! | 21:46 |
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| hcarrega | timeless: thanks | 21:46 |
| hcarrega | :P | 21:46 |
| alterego | Hrm, how would I get the contact of an incoming call? | 21:46 |
| timeless | doctor, it hurts when i do this *pokes self** | 21:46 |
| timeless | doctor: | 21:46 |
| timeless | so don't do that! | 21:46 |
| timeless | that'll be 25c plus a signed statement confirming you undestand this was not medical advice | 21:47 |
| timeless | alterego? eh? | 21:47 |
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| alterego | timeless: I want the contact information of the person who is called, or being called. | 21:48 |
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| alterego | That's if the contact is in the address book | 21:48 |
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| timeless | before answering? | 21:50 |
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| alterego | Yeah | 21:50 |
| timeless | you're annoying ;) | 21:50 |
| alterego | I have the phone number, it's just. I can't think of a completely reliable, easy way of getting the contact. | 21:51 |
| timeless | do you really expect the caller to wait while you read their bio? | 21:51 |
| timeless | wait, are you competing w/ the native call ui? | 21:51 |
| timeless | if so, it cheats | 21:51 |
| timeless | it looks for iirc exact matches and then something like a 7 or 8 digit match | 21:51 |
| timeless | but ot longer | 21:51 |
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| timeless | s/ot/not/ | 21:52 |
| infobot | timeless meant: but not longer | 21:52 |
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| RST38h | "...it continually creates new eBay auctions for itself via a built-in Ethernet jack..." | 21:54 |
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| RST38h | "The current auction ends in five days, has seen 12 bids, and is currently at $4,250. The piece has been in circulation since 2008." | 21:54 |
| odinm | RST38h pimp! | 21:54 |
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| RST38h | autopimp, even | 21:55 |
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| timeless | http://www.pcworld.com/article/187512/the_first_tweet_from_space_and_other_twitter_firsts.html | 21:56 |
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| timeless | rst: what the heck?? | 21:56 |
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| timeless | some of those tweets are cool, esp weird al and actuallynph | 21:57 |
| _andy | why doesn't the N900 use the 'pinch' gesture for zooming? | 21:58 |
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| derf | Because it's patented. | 21:59 |
| _andy | the circle thing is weak. | 21:59 |
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| _andy | how the fuck can someone patent a gesture? | 21:59 |
| derf | Welcome to the US patent system. | 21:59 |
| woglinde | prior art | 21:59 |
| * pekuja gestures with his hand: This is not the patent system you're looking for. | 21:59 | |
| derf | Prior art is extremely difficult to use as a patent defense. | 21:59 |
| RST38h | Is the mooning gesture patented too? | 22:00 |
| _andy | hmm.. so not residing in the US it would not be illegal if I were somehow able to get the pinch gesture working on my device? | 22:00 |
| timeless | _andy: the n900 has a resistive screen | 22:00 |
| timeless | read about it | 22:00 |
| timeless | you'll find it makes getting multiple inputs hard | 22:00 |
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| timeless | which makes multifinger input pretty much a no go | 22:00 |
| derf | The US has patent cooperation treaties with a lot of other countries, including most of Europe. | 22:01 |
| keesj | nokia field a patent for multi-touch on using resitive technology right | 22:01 |
| woglinde | derf no | 22:01 |
| keesj | and we have the lcuk demo | 22:01 |
| woglinde | many us patents are nothing here | 22:01 |
| timeless | keesj ~= s/field/filed/ | 22:01 |
| _andy | oic | 22:01 |
| derf | The patent would have to be filed internationally, which is not automatic, it's true. | 22:02 |
| timeless | keesj: no comment ;) | 22:02 |
| keesj | :p | 22:02 |
| timeless | engineers under advice from non lawyers should never read or be aware of patents | 22:02 |
| timeless | it's bad for business | 22:02 |
| timeless | see trebble damages | 22:02 |
| derf | Engineers from large companies, you mean. | 22:02 |
| timeless | um | 22:03 |
| woglinde | it patents should only last 5 years | 22:03 |
| woglinde | that would be okay | 22:03 |
| timeless | it's probably generally sound advice | 22:03 |
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| derf | For an open-source project, any lawsuit kills the project, whether you get to damages or not. | 22:03 |
| timeless | regardless of size | 22:03 |
| * RST38h sighs and goes to sleep. | 22:03 | |
| derf | So killing it three times over isn't any worse than killing it once. | 22:03 |
| woglinde | nite rst | 22:03 |
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| timeless | for open source, you need councel and someone *else* to do the research | 22:04 |
| timeless | you still don't want to read them | 22:04 |
| timeless | derf: dunno | 22:04 |
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| timeless | if you screw up,, you can become persona non grata in a country | 22:04 |
| timeless | very easy for small developers to do | 22:05 |
| timeless | roughly: get councel | 22:05 |
| derf | I still think it's much better to walk with your eyes open, than to just stumble around blindly and hope you won't bump into anything. | 22:06 |
| derf | Obviously getting a lawyer is better than not, but that's a luxury most projects can't afford. | 22:06 |
| timeless | not worth it | 22:06 |
| alterego | Well, I can do it for mobile numbers and guarantee it. | 22:06 |
| timeless | you're going to bump into something | 22:06 |
| timeless | get someone *else* to steer you around | 22:07 |
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| derf | As I said, that's a luxury most projects can't afford. | 22:07 |
| timeless | there are a bunch of groups which offer help | 22:07 |
| timeless | both in .us and .eu | 22:07 |
| timeless | i actually was planning to contact one in the .eu | 22:08 |
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| derf | Yeah, let me know how that goes. | 22:08 |
| timeless | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/23/AR2010012301339.html?hpid=topnews | 22:08 |
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| timeless | if something bad happens to me, someone will notice | 22:09 |
| timeless | i'm typically online weekly or have announced my travel plans in advance | 22:09 |
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| * lcuk_ spits @ the thought of patents | 22:11 | |
| lcuk_ | keesj, the multitouch thing i did wouldnt support pinch | 22:11 |
| lcuk_ | it would however allow variations on SHIFT/CTRL key modifiers for hardware keyboards | 22:12 |
| frals | you did multitouch? link! ;) | 22:12 |
| lcuk_ | errr software | 22:12 |
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| lcuk_ | old news frals | 22:12 |
| lcuk_ | was on n810 | 22:12 |
| frals | alright | 22:12 |
| red | u cant do it for n900 due patents? | 22:13 |
| lcuk_ | tho the new libliqbase has the continuation of it | 22:13 |
| timeless | s https://secure.palmcoastd.com/pcd/document?ikey=061DGLWPN | 22:13 |
| * red could murder for pinch zoom | 22:13 | |
| lcuk_ | i took out the place i was using it tho | 22:13 |
| timeless | does t5ha yield a 503 for anyone else*? | 22:13 |
| ml-mobile | brb | 22:13 |
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| frals | timeless: 503 here | 22:13 |
| timeless | frals: popup ad i got | 22:13 |
| timeless | impressive eh? | 22:14 |
| frals | haha | 22:14 |
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| timeless | Now a father of two, Johnson notes that his college-age children still don't have licenses. "Neither one has risen to the occasion," he said. "Both have decided that Washington, D.C., is a great place to use their 'BMW' -- bus, metro, walk." | 22:15 |
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| odinm | well maybe when apple v nokia goto court the pinch gesture will be cross licensed | 22:16 |
| * timeless is still waiting for flying pigs | 22:17 | |
| timeless | apple got flying toasters first, right? | 22:17 |
| cehteh | timeless: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/74/Pink_Floyd-Animals-Frontal.jpg look closer :) | 22:18 |
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| timeless | att a 300x300px image?? | 22:22 |
| timeless | which seems to have smokestacks in the background | 22:22 |
| timeless | is my cache hosed? | 22:22 |
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| lcuk_ | timeless, looks like sheep will be the first community flight | 22:23 |
| SplasPood | timeless: in between the left two smoke stacks | 22:23 |
| lcuk_ | but angry birds wins | 22:23 |
| alterego | I don't like evolution, I've just decided. | 22:23 |
| * SplasPood loves him some angry birds | 22:23 | |
| sheepbat | baa? | 22:23 |
| lcuk_ | :D heh | 22:24 |
| lcuk_ | im meant to be setting up my other machines | 22:24 |
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| pekuja | SplasPood: I've played through the free version quite a bit of times. Is the level pack back for sale? | 22:25 |
| timeless | counting sheep | 22:25 |
| timeless | sleep | 22:25 |
| timeless | interesting idea | 22:26 |
| SplasPood | pekuja: didn't appear to be, I really wanna buy it :) | 22:26 |
| timeless | i think i'm supposed to see a movie tomorrow | 22:26 |
| timeless | sleep | 22:26 |
| timeless | interesting idea | 22:26 |
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| pekuja | SplasPood: me too. Getting kinda tired of the 20 free levels. :-P | 22:26 |
| pekuja | SplasPood: already have 3 stars on all of them | 22:26 |
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| frals | alterego: whats the problem with it? | 22:27 |
| woglinde | server are up | 22:28 |
| woglinde | horray | 22:28 |
| SplasPood | pekuja: :) | 22:29 |
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| pekuja | SplasPood: I have to say I'm kinda disappointed by Ovi because they still haven't got the level pack back up. | 22:35 |
| pekuja | SplasPood: I'm guessing they're trying to be extra careful this time. | 22:36 |
| timeless_mbp | pekuja: what happened last time? | 22:36 |
| SplasPood | I get the feeling they never considered this 'problem' and thus have no ready solution | 22:36 |
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| pekuja | timeless_mbp: you could install the game without paying | 22:36 |
| SplasPood | timeless: well.. it was just an apt repo, so anyone could just download stuff... | 22:36 |
| pekuja | SplasPood: exactly | 22:37 |
| timeless_mbp | pekuja: was it not supposed to work that way? | 22:37 |
| pekuja | timeless_mbp: no. it was supposed to be 3 euros or something | 22:37 |
| SplasPood | timeless: not when they expected to be gettin paid for those downloads ;) | 22:37 |
| pekuja | timeless_mbp: there is a free version | 22:37 |
| * timeless_mbp is confused | 22:37 | |
| pekuja | timeless_mbp: it's still available. if you want more levels though, there was a paid version | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I don't remember what I I pinged you about. | 22:37 |
| SplasPood | timeless: but ovi was wide open so anyone could download the paid version without payin | 22:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, and, yes, Help needs to be moved to graveyard | 22:38 |
| pekuja | timeless_mbp: but the paid version is no longer available because they messed up | 22:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: generally not a good idea to ping me after 5pm [my local time] on a friday | 22:38 |
| w00t | quick poll: http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/1684/c009a8b52d72448f8dce8a0652cbf8f3.jpg - do the "@" signs confuse there? they're supposed to indicate that a given entry (as in, something was purchased) 'at' that date | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, yeah, I recall it being something marginally important at the time, so. :P | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, aha! | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wanted a user ban/warning. | 22:38 |
| pekuja | w00t: doesn't confuse me too much | 22:38 |
| timeless_mbp | about a bug? | 22:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | yeah well, feel free to stick the comment in the bug | 22:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8426 | 22:39 |
| povbot` | Bug 8426: cant find cupholder button | 22:39 |
| timeless_mbp | all i can do is mark an account as disabled w/ a comment for other admins to read | 22:39 |
| timeless_mbp | ah yeah, i wondered if it was that one | 22:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: basically in bugzilla there's a single 'disabled account comment' field | 22:39 |
| timeless_mbp | any comment there means the account is disabled | 22:39 |
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| w00t | any other input/opinions on the @ symbol? | 22:40 |
| timeless_mbp | so if you've warned him and he messes up, it's sufficient to point any admin to the first instance + warning + second violation, the admin records those bits into the comment field | 22:40 |
| timeless_mbp | and any admin considering clearing the field has to read it first | 22:40 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t: sorry, i was going to think about it | 22:40 |
| alterego | I wonder what Nokia's reasoning was to use evolution over writing a decent one. | 22:41 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t: what does 28.0 mean? | 22:41 |
| timeless_mbp | because dollars and cents always use 2 digits for cents | 22:41 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: (work in progress, yeah, sorry for the roughish state of the UI).. it's a currency amount | 22:41 |
| timeless_mbp | 2 digit decimals, please | 22:41 |
| w00t | I will, when I get to taht bit | 22:41 |
| timeless_mbp | is there a reason to use 2 lines? | 22:41 |
| w00t | I've been working on lots of other things first | 22:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | in maemo we rely on spacing/coloring to do field distinctions | 22:42 |
| timeless_mbp | but if there's a comment that belongs above,... | 22:42 |
| lcuk_ | GeneralAntilles, he was obviously having a laugh | 22:42 |
| lcuk_ | i might file a bug about bug admins not having a soh ;) | 22:42 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: I think it is more appropriate given it's secondary information, not something people are going to want *at all*, and since the widget has the space there already, it felt natural to use it | 22:43 |
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| w00t | (it has it since they're clickable) | 22:43 |
| lcuk_ | it should be closed though or at least forwarded to hardware | 22:43 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t: personally i'd recommend you omit the year if it's the current year | 22:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | also you only need to show the date for the first instance on the screen of a given date | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk_, unfortunately I had to waste my time on his "laugh". | 22:43 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: date formatting will also change (a lot) when I do more UI polish | 22:43 |
| w00t | it's in fact the next thing on my list | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk_, bug trackers are not forums and should not be treated as such. | 22:44 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t: my point is that roughly, once you've fixed this | 22:44 |
| timeless_mbp | you can stick the date to the right edge | 22:44 |
| w00t | hmm | 22:44 |
| timeless_mbp | s/to/at/ | 22:44 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: you can stick the date at the right edge | 22:44 |
| lcuk_ | didnt ibm have a multi year ongoing bug report about their balls? | 22:44 |
| w00t | I'll give that a try, I hadn't considered it actually | 22:44 |
| w00t | but it solves my problem of what to do with that dead space | 22:44 |
| w00t | so that is appreciated | 22:44 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t: the @ sign i can take or leave | 22:44 |
| timeless_mbp | it doesn't bother me, but i'm not sure it's necessary | 22:45 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, 'of' bothers me | 22:45 |
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| w00t | heh | 22:45 |
| woglinde | re | 22:45 |
| woglinde | ping lcuk | 22:45 |
| w00t | I originally had '/', but two people got confused | 22:45 |
| w00t | and rightly so I think | 22:45 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, '/' is wrong | 22:45 |
| w00t | fractional stuff doesn't belong in a UI | 22:45 |
| lcuk_ | hey woglinde | 22:45 |
| timeless_mbp | well | 22:45 |
| timeless_mbp | it kinda does | 22:46 |
| timeless_mbp | if you've seen what the idiots who did the KOffice viewer did | 22:46 |
| woglinde | lcuk he find someone who makes you nice icons | 22:46 |
| timeless_mbp | you'll see how *not* to do it | 22:46 |
| lcuk_ | ho does? | 22:46 |
| lcuk_ | who | 22:46 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 22:46 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't have a picture of them screwing this up | 22:46 |
| SpeedEvil | w00t: though users should be able to enter it where it makes sense - 1/3 - rather than the - wrong 0.33 forex | 22:47 |
| timeless_mbp | they use a '-' : pg24-pg36 | 22:47 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: I've a lot of people at work who do bad UIs, though, yes | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | 7 pages of New Posts in the past 6 hours. | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sick. | 22:47 |
| woglinde | hm is programmanger only shows programs from "safe" repos? | 22:47 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t: i'm pretty sure my employer/workplace beats yours for bad ui | 22:47 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: hahaha | 22:47 |
| timeless_mbp | so you get only limited condolences/sympathy | 22:47 |
| woglinde | hm | 22:47 |
| lcuk_ | GeneralAntilles, thats amazing, we have never had so much activity and buzz! | 22:48 |
| woglinde | it dont reads sources.list | 22:48 |
| woglinde | .d | 22:48 |
| w00t | I'll take an anonymised screenshot later of our primary income generating form, you'll be amazed | 22:48 |
| w00t | it's a complete mess | 22:48 |
| timeless_mbp | i'll look | 22:48 |
| woglinde | args | 22:48 |
| woglinde | over writes my entry | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, it's mostly spam. | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/timeless_mbp/lcuk/ | 22:48 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: lcuk, it's mostly spam. | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I got one useful thread out of that list. | 22:49 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I've started using newsub.php - which works relatively well | 22:49 |
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| Jaffa | Hmm, servers fubar again, apparently. | 22:49 |
| lcuk_ | jaffa whats newsub | 22:50 |
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| * lcuk_ ponders downgrading scratchbox | 22:53 | |
| woglinde | hms | 22:53 |
| woglinde | why I didnt fixed navit sections entry yet | 22:54 |
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| lcuk_ | me wants to test some liqbase stuff on all devices but n810 doesnt run the fremantle debs | 22:54 |
| lcuk_ | but it works the other way round afaik | 22:54 |
| woglinde | ???? | 22:56 |
| woglinde | hm reminds me | 22:56 |
| woglinde | to finish git-buildackage | 22:56 |
| Jaffa | lcuk_: A feature Reggie added to limit newposts to only subscribed forum. Details in the "Proposed talk changes" thread | 22:56 |
| woglinde | lcuk than its easy for you to make 2 dev branches | 22:56 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa / GeneralAntilles / w00t : load http://www.koffice.org/ | 22:57 |
| timeless_mbp | click "KDE® logo" | 22:57 |
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| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: On microb? | 22:58 |
| timeless_mbp | desktop browser is fine | 22:58 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: heh | 22:59 |
| w00t | "oops" | 22:59 |
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| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Ah, I see. | 23:01 |
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| * GeneralAntilles had a dream about Summit 2010 last night. <_< | 23:04 | |
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| w00t | GeneralAntilles: I think you need to seek help | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, likely. | 23:05 |
| w00t | (what was it about?) | 23:05 |
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| woglinde | hms | 23:05 |
| woglinde | okay | 23:05 |
| woglinde | time to upload navit | 23:05 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: Was anything interesting announced? | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, location was San Francisco and I was eating lunch with timsamoff and zeenix. | 23:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, didn't make it that far. ;) | 23:06 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: where was I :< | 23:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | w00t, since I don't have an imagine for your face, how could I dream it? | 23:07 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: just imagine some big guy screaming out "w00t" every few minutes. that would be an inaccurate but hilarious, and therefore acceptable, substitute. :P | 23:08 |
| Luser | is the media player in diablo able to scrobble to lastfm? | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Luser, think there's a plugin somewhere. | 23:08 |
| Luser | GeneralAntilles, okay I'll search. I see that the repo are up again | 23:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, so i found someone who'll try to fix the web page | 23:13 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, the Maemo KOffice viewer about text? | 23:13 |
| timeless_mbp | it's now hosted in KOffice's VCS :o | 23:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | so roughly speaking Nokia painted a big "Kick Me" sign for KOffice | 23:13 |
| timeless_mbp | and then they applied it to their own back. | 23:13 |
| timeless_mbp | i think it'll be fixed in VCS w/in an hour :) | 23:13 |
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| Proteous | heh | 23:14 |
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| Luser | by the way, canola is not open source? I don't see it in the free repo | 23:16 |
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| brynjarh | just bought a N900, are there any extra repositories I should be aware of? | 23:21 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: San Francisco would be a great location, since it doesn't seem like there'll be a JavaOne this year | 23:21 |
| timeless_mbp | brynjarh: testing | 23:22 |
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| Jaffa | brynjarh: Apart from Extras? Only extras-testing if you want to help get high quality software to end-users | 23:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | Speaking personally -I've installed >20 apps from testing - and have had no problems uncurable by uninstalling the app | 23:24 |
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| brynjarh | I see I have repository.maemo.org/extras , is that the only maemo.org repository? | 23:24 |
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| brynjarh | testing yes, but anything else? | 23:25 |
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| brynjarh | http://repository.maemo.org/ :) | 23:25 |
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| odinm | would porting dalvik VM for N900 be good for maemo (discuss) ? this VM is a mobile java bytecode executer (as used in andriod) so the concern is could it detract from more maemo apps or potentially dilute the vm as a platform | 23:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, only problems are that it's expensive and the whole US thing. | 23:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, am I the only one who hasn't looked seriously at Brainstorm since it opened? | 23:30 |
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| LuciusMare | no at for maemo? | 23:36 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: I posted a couple | 23:37 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: I haven't gone bak to check. | 23:37 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: I wish I'd posted 'tmo should have nntp interface' on reflection. | 23:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 23:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/add_search_to_brainstorm/ | 23:41 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 23:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | OK, so a MOVED bug | 23:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | How the hell do I find the Brainstorm URL? | 23:44 |
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| brynjarh | what repository, if any, contains python? (how do I install python) | 23:46 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: MOVED is just a special status | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Extras | 23:46 |
| timeless_mbp | it doesn't encode stuff | 23:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | the person who MOVEs is responsible for adding such details | 23:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I know, but it seems like if we're moving every goddamn enhancement request out of Bugzilla we need a way to find them in Brainstorm. . . . | 23:47 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: or not | 23:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | brynjarh, install something that depends on Python. | 23:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | brynjarh, or apt-get it. | 23:47 |
| odin_ | wow odin is back. on Fedora12, yee hah ! | 23:47 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: ? | 23:47 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: AFAICT many bugs simply seem to be moved to brainstorm - and left for the original reporter to add to brainstorm | 23:47 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: yeah well | 23:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Or I may be confused. | 23:47 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: "that's not the way it should work" | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, I see the issue. | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8240 | 23:48 |
| povbot` | Bug 8240: AT&T 850/1900MHz support | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not actually been MOVED | 23:48 |
| * GeneralAntilles cringes. | 23:48 | |
| GeneralAntilles | That's not pretty. | 23:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | And it's not firmware | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | AIUI | 23:49 |
| brynjarh | app manager doesn't seam to show me python, even if I have the extra repositories set, so must I install from the terminal? If so, how do I enable sudo or root? | 23:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, can you state with reasonable confidence that it's a hardware issue? | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | brynjarh, Python isn't an application. | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | brynjarh, as a user, you have no reason to install just Python. | 23:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | brynjarh, and the Application Manager doesn't show you things users don't care about. | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~rootsh | 23:50 |
| infobot | rumour has it, rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/, or http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/rootsh/ | 23:50 |
| LuciusMare | also, python is installed by default, i think | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | LuciusMare, isn't. | 23:50 |
| LuciusMare | lol,waat. | 23:50 |
| LuciusMare | i dont remember myseld installing it | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because you didn't. | 23:50 |
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| LuciusMare | ... | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was pulled in as a dependency for whatever you installed that needed it. | 23:51 |
| LuciusMare | it must have been taken by a dependency,then | 23:51 |
| LuciusMare | yes | 23:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: to the best of my knowledge yes - there are hardware filters in front of the phone - to make it pick up only given frequencies - to prevent jamming by other local sources. | 23:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, feel like commenting to that effect on that bug? | 23:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: I'll see if I can find wording to that in the l3/l4 manual later | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Awesome | 23:53 |
| lcuk_ | gah, how can i run a script remotely but *not* send the data over the network to my console here, i just want to run it and close the net connection | 23:57 |
| lcuk_ | errr start running it | 23:57 |
| Arkenoi | What is the difference between catorize and mymenu? | 23:58 |
| SpeedEvil | ssh root@foo nohup rm -rf / | 23:58 |
| lcuk_ | SpeedEvil, the nohup part does? | 23:59 |
| SpeedEvil | man nohup | 23:59 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 23:59 |
| lcuk_ | oo i did | 23:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | actually - that won't actually disconnect | 23:59 |
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