IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2010-01-18

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* GeneralAntilles sighs at the bug template.		00:01
GeneralAntilles	Love it when people fill in 2 of the 3 steps to reproduce then leave a blank 3.	00:01
frals	Stskeeps: sounds pretty good	00:02
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GeneralAntilles	Anybody with a lot of background in small lipolymer batteries want to input on bug #8163?	00:03
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8163 battery charge level growing up	00:03
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Stskeeps	frals: it's a kinda complex issue but we've reached a size that we will have to have some degree of 'management' going on or we'd keel over :P	00:04
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Stskeeps	(read: not people controlling other people, but coordination)	00:04
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frals	Stskeeps: yes, some problems would benefit of more coordination for sure	00:05
* GeneralAntilles did his 5-a-day.		00:05
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johnq	repository.maemo.org is down again?	00:06
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Shrik3_	was it up at some point?	00:06
Shrik3_	It's been down since friday	00:07
MaemohammadAG	lol	00:07
johnq	oh	00:07
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frals	Stskeeps: i think the problem is not as much of a software as those small projects usually just needs a decent process to work with	00:07
MaemohammadAG	angrybirds level pack is up again, you can install it using apt-get	00:07
johnq	whose resposibility is that?	00:07
MaemohammadAG	nokia fails sometimes	00:07
MaemohammadAG	johnq, they're moving servers	00:07
MaemohammadAG	or changing ISPs	00:07
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johnq	and why does this produce outages?	00:07
frals	(and there I refreshed the thread and saw Jaffa posting pretty much that :D)	00:08
MaemohammadAG	cause it's a weekend and they don't rush things	00:08
xorAxAx	MaemohammadAG: is it up? i cannot see it	00:08
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MaemohammadAG	on ovi yes	00:08
xorAxAx	but apt-cache doesnt find it :)	00:08
MaemohammadAG	cause apt-cache search shows it up	00:08
johnq	do they think the community works on weekdays?	00:08
Jaffa	frals: "great minds/fools" springs to mind	00:08
MaemohammadAG	lol	00:08
johnq	where can I complain?	00:08
xorAxAx	MaemohammadAG: doesnt work for me	00:08
xorAxAx	i only see angrybirds	00:08
MaemohammadAG	xorAxAx, apt-get update	00:09
frals	Jaffa: :)	00:09
xorAxAx	did that	00:09
johnq	I mean: where can I complain so that the situation gets better? ;-)	00:09
MaemohammadAG	angrybirds-levelpack1 - Extra levels to Angry Birds	00:09
Shrik3	johnq: there's a bunch of threads on the maemo.org forums	00:09
MaemohammadAG	xorAxAx, it shows up here	00:09
MaemohammadAG	i'll apt-get update again	00:09
Shrik3	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=478054	00:09
Jaffa	johnq: The situation is sub-optimal. If you want to complain, direct it at council@maemo.org; whinge on tmo or bottle it up :-)	00:09
xorAxAx	MaemohammadAG: perhaps because its installed on your machine?	00:09
MaemohammadAG	apt-cache shouldn't show it	00:10
MaemohammadAG	dpkg should	00:10
xorAxAx	it shows also installed apps, MaemohammadAG	00:10
MaemohammadAG	i'll uninstall it	00:10
Jaffa	johnq: But I think the general answer is "it's recognised that this is a sub-optimal situation on a number of levels"	00:10
Shrik3	"sub-optimal" pretty much describes the whole Nokia situation =)	00:10
MaemohammadAG	hope it doesn't erase my save	00:10
timeless_mbp	GeneralAntilles: my guess is that it's more the measurement is changing	00:10
GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, I can't picture voltage being stable at that charge percentage.	00:11
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johnq	Jaffa: obivously, Nokia is not willing to spend enough money on it, so it is not recognized on as many levels as needed	00:11
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MaemohammadAG	xorAxAx, you're right	00:11
MaemohammadAG	it doesn't show up now	00:12
timeless_mbp	johnq: you can try Nokia Care	00:12
Jaffa	johnq: FUD. Nokia are investing in the infrastructure, but unfortunately either the migration has gone slightly wrong OR there's a coincidental timing	00:12
destinal	anyone here working on running palm pre native SDL binaries? (ie commercial games)?	00:12
* Jaffa doesn't know which.		00:12
* destinal is from the webos hacking side of things and heard about it		00:12
GeneralAntilles	destinal, #maemo != #webos	00:13
destinal	GeneralAntilles: duh	00:13
timeless_mbp	GeneralAntilles: oh, i must be in the wrong place :)	00:13
blizzow1	I'm loking at the developer guide at http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Graphical_UI_Tutorial/Getting_started It says at the top that it's Legacy Maemo 5 Documentation. Are there current (eg: not legacy) documentation/tutorials around?	00:13
* GeneralAntilles gets the question now.		00:14
destinal	GeneralAntilles: we have commercial games in binary form on the palm pre and apparently some maemo folks are trying to run them.	00:14
GeneralAntilles	destinal, no, and aren't they DRM protected anyway?	00:14
destinal	GeneralAntilles: nope	00:14
Jaffa	destinal: "apparently"?	00:15
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Jaffa	destinal: Sounds intriguing.	00:15
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timeless_mbp	blizzow: the "official" documentation is hosted by Forum Nokia	00:15
destinal	Jaffa: yeah, they're libsdl1.2 and opengl-es (1.1) based and it should be possible to make support libraries work	00:15
johnq	Jaffa: ok, you are right. Perhaps they are investing enough, only something has gone wrong.	00:16
timeless_mbp	personally, i'd use the maemo.org documentation	00:16
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johnq	Jaffa: Nevertheless, some other incidents have shown that Nokia (or whoever) at least has a really bad information policy.	00:16
destinal	Jaffa: only real issue is that you don't have multitouch on N900 so games that depend on it wouldn't work that well, but they certainly don't _all_ depend on it	00:16
Jaffa	johnq: Of course, there's always the case that more investment can prevent problems; but there's a cost/benefit analysis to that - and perhaps things are at a MTBF which is satisfactory. It's just the Time of Failure has been... unfortunate.	00:16
timeless_mbp	johnq: yeah, we should never share any information :)	00:16
blizzow1	timeless_mbp: okay, is the "legacy" documentation outdated at all?	00:17
timeless_mbp	blizzow1: dunno :)	00:17
timeless_mbp	not worth my time to look	00:17
timeless_mbp	the formats are probably incompatible	00:17
timeless_mbp	sorry	00:17
Jaffa	johnq: Communication about server moves was discussed at the last maemo.org sprint meetings; I refer you to its minutes.	00:17
timeless_mbp	Jaffa: how dare you make references to public documents	00:18
johnq	Jaffa: There is always this effect that when you don't know _why_ something does not work, you just blame that big company.	00:18
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timeless_mbp	how can people complain about a secret cabal!	00:18
woglinde	g	00:18
Jaffa	timeless_mbp: I know. I'm such a bastard.	00:18
timeless_mbp	johnq: oddly, we use the channel topic for this purpose	00:18
Jaffa	Although, I feel remarkably impotent having removed myself from that cabal. Except where I'm not.	00:18
Jaffa	Which is everywhere.	00:18
Jaffa	Oh.	00:18
timeless_mbp	> Repositories and mailing lists temporarily down, see http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork	00:18
johnq	timeless_mbp: why not http://maemo.org/development/ ?	00:18
GeneralAntilles	Jaffa, yeah, we know you're still the puppet master behind the curtain.	00:19
GeneralAntilles	"Removed" my ass.	00:19
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* Jaffa would never remove your ass.		00:19
timeless_mbp	johnq: i know that not constantly retopicing the same topic can be considered a poor way to communicate the channel topic	00:19
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Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: Except when I want 'em to do things concrete ;-)	00:19
* frals read it the same way as Jaffa, appearently :D		00:19
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johnq	timeless_mbp: what is qaiku.com? This decentralization is just another topic...	00:20
Jaffa	frals: You have a bad mind :)	00:20
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* GeneralAntilles throws a comma in there.		00:20
frals	Jaffa: I blame the many hours spent reading MMS/WSP standards ;)	00:20
timeless_mbp	johnq: quaiku.com is some stupid Finnish default language twitter like stupid stupid thing	00:20
* timeless_mbp offers frals a spell checker for "apparently"		00:20
frals	thank you!	00:21
Jaffa	WTF's happened to https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/January_09#Activity_log ?	00:21
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timeless_mbp	Jaffa: it was written in British English?	00:22
Jaffa	timeless_mbp: It used to have a repackaged version of the Qaiku feed to look all nice and pretty and accessible.	00:22
frals	https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/January_10 like that?	00:22
Jaffa	frals: Ah yeah.	00:22
Jaffa	Fuck. Embarassing email sent :)	00:22
frals	:D	00:23
timeless_mbp	heh	00:23
timeless_mbp	yay wikis	00:23
timeless_mbp	i originally thought the 9 was a sprint number or day	00:23
timeless_mbp	eventually i wondered if it was a year	00:23
timeless_mbp	this is why years should always have 4 digits	00:23
timeless_mbp	(unless they need 5 or more..)	00:23
Jaffa	johnq: Anyway, if you don't like Qaiku, it's not decentralised. You can track the current work at https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/January_10#Activity_log	00:24
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timeless_mbp	anyone here use any Maemo5 sharing service?	00:25
johnq	Jaffa: It would be really great, if there was a big red banner on http://maemo.org if something like that happens.	00:25
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Jaffa	johnq: I don't disagree	00:26
johnq	and thanks for your time, Jaffa and timeless_mbp.	00:26
xorAxAx	are there mirrors of the repo?	00:26
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timeless_mbp	xorAxAx: jebba is running one]	00:26
timeless_mbp	you could find it in the irc logs or somewhere	00:26
frals	topic has them	00:27
xorAxAx	http://espejo.freemoe.org/	00:27
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timeless_mbp	frals: oh ... how dare we topic useful information	00:27
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frals	timeless_mbp: yes, i know, quite unorthodox (sp?) of us	00:27
Noobmonkey	ooo lo alls. x-chat works! havn't used irc in yeaaaaaars!!	00:28
SpeedEvil	:)	00:28
xorAxAx	does it have a #maemo preseet? :)	00:28
Noobmonkey	no, was hoping it would have!!	00:28
* timeless_mbp wonders how to spell "canceled" "cancelled" :(		00:29
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Noobmonkey	can't figure out the xchat menu with my fat thumbs. but looks good so far!	00:29
timeless_mbp	... bookmarks list	00:30
* timeless_mbp cries		00:30
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xorAxAx	yay, 40028 files and directories currently installed.	00:31
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xorAxAx	who outnumbers me? :)	00:31
Noobmonkey	?	00:31
SpeedEvil	xchat menu is a bit fail.	00:31
timeless_mbp	xorAxAx: how do i check?	00:31
SpeedEvil	without stylus	00:31
xorAxAx	timeless_mbp: install something	00:31
SpeedEvil	but the rest is great	00:31
timeless_mbp	from ham?	00:31
xorAxAx	no, apt-get install	00:31
xorAxAx	then it shows the number	00:31
Noobmonkey	yeah. but still good enough to use	00:31
xorAxAx	i recommend iptables	00:32
xorAxAx	small and useful	00:32
Noobmonkey	iptables? an app? sounds usefull	00:32
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Kamui	anyone finding that wifi stops connecting in 1.1 without rebooting?	00:34
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Stskeeps	Kamui: there was a reported bug	00:34
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Noobmonkey	nope kamui, but took me 2 days to get wifi working after the update! was a mare!	00:34
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Kamui	wow	00:35
Kamui	i did a full reflash to upgrade too	00:35
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Noobmonkey	hmmm how much battery will xchat eat if i leave it alive in the background? getting about 12hrs of good usage at the mo...	00:36
timeless_mbp	kamui: there are a handful of bugs which will probably be fixed in a 1.1.1	00:36
timeless_mbp	which hopefully isn't too far away	00:36
timeless_mbp	i suspect the wifi problem might be amongst them	00:36
timeless_mbp	Noobmonkey: in an active or idle channel?	00:37
Kamui	thats cool, just wondered if it was something with my config or ap	00:37
Kamui	good to know its not just me	00:37
timeless_mbp	kamui: it /could/ be ;-)	00:37
Noobmonkey	yeah. thankful it is working. as my gf lives in a 2g zone.	00:37
timeless_mbp	so try some other APs ;-)	00:37
Kamui	lol	00:37
pupnik	Noobmonkey: what fixed ita.	00:37
Noobmonkey	timeless, this channell	00:37
Kamui	im using wpa2 psk	00:37
Kamui	might downgrade to wpa psk	00:37
Noobmonkey	pupnik, i posted in talk. was a few xterm commands	00:38
timeless_mbp	kamui: my understanding is that power management can entail basestation specific issues	00:38
pupnik	cool beans	00:38
* timeless_mbp looks for someone who cares about HAM strings		00:38
Noobmonkey	mmmmmmmm ham sandwiches...	00:39
woglinde_	bacon	00:39
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Kamui	timeless im also experiencing aweful battery life. but my understanding is that downgrading is impossible unless i want to turn this thing into an IT only	00:39
Noobmonkey	hehe yeah	00:40
timeless_mbp	Kamui: so...	00:40
timeless_mbp	you can't dowgrade the cellmo	00:40
timeless_mbp	s/dow/down/	00:40
infobot	timeless_mbp meant: you can't downgrade the cellmo	00:40
Kamui	its that age old addage, if it aint broke dont upgrade :)	00:40
Noobmonkey	my battery got a bit better i think	00:40
timeless_mbp	Kamui: nah	00:40
timeless_mbp	this is software, "it's always broken"	00:40
Noobmonkey	lol	00:40
Kamui	lols	00:40
mtd	anyone with an n900 can tell me what apt source provides "python-evolution"?	00:40
timeless_mbp	the key is 3 steps forward, 1 or 2 steps back	00:40
GeneralAntilles	Battery life improved significantly here.	00:41
woglinde_	mtd repos are down	00:41
Kamui	well its not unbearable. system is definitely snappier	00:41
timeless_mbp	as long as the or is boolean instead of bitwise, you're in good shpe	00:41
timeless_mbp	s/shpe/shape/	00:41
infobot	timeless_mbp meant: as long as the or is boolean instead of bitwise, you're in good shape	00:41
redeeman	GeneralAntilles: here too	00:41
Kamui	generalantilles, i may reflash then	00:41
mtd	woglinde_: not sure that's my problem, but good to know. I'm getting "Package python-evolution is not available, but is referred to by another package." and "E: Package python-evolution has no installation candidate"	00:41
GeneralAntilles	Tracker is doing some reindexing for some people.	00:41
Kamui	generalantilles, i may reflash then	00:41
Noobmonkey	general, seems to have improved alot in light usage. and not much if i heavily use.	00:41
GeneralAntilles	and I think there may be a Skype/IM bug.	00:41
Kamui	i did restore from my backup	00:41
timeless_mbp	mtd: presumably you're ignoring the topic about repositories being down?	00:41
timeless_mbp	... and the alternate mirror	00:41
xorAxAx	wah, the maemo 5 doesnt have a nat module	00:42
redeeman	GeneralAntilles: do you know if its possible to make tracker ignore some specified directories?	00:42
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Kamui	yes	00:42
mtd	timeless_mbp: yes, because I don't see the relevance. The cached data is wrong. Presumably this hasn't been fixed since the repos went down.	00:42
Kamui	redeeman	00:42
timeless_mbp	redeeman: certainly possible	00:42
Noobmonkey	good idea on the alt mirror. would be grat if it worked out of the box with no user input so to speak	00:42
redeeman	im guessing it just has a configuration file?	00:42
mtd	timeless_mbp: of course it's possible, and would be great. I thanked woglinde_ for pointing the fact out to me.	00:42
Kamui	there is a file in .tracker for that	00:42
redeeman	excellent	00:42
SpeedEvil	redeeman: ~/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg or something	00:43
redeeman	its really annoying me, in my documents folder i have some saved webpages, and ofc those have images, which are flooding the image viewer	00:43
SpeedEvil	redeeman: howeer - I have added a dir to the exclude list - and it's not taking notice	00:43
redeeman	ugh	00:44
Kamui	speedevil: gotta rerun the indexer	00:44
* Jaffa beds.		00:44
Kamui	then it removes indexed exclusions	00:44
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Noobmonkey	right me offski. hi n bye alls.	00:44
xorAxAx	BT tethering is slow, there is no nat module ... whats the recommended way to get a notebook into the net using the n900?	00:44
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SpeedEvil	Kamui: I rebooted - mounted a fs on the excluded mountpoint - and it started indexing	00:45
redeeman	xorAxAx: do you use PAN or DUN tethering?	00:45
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Kamui	zoinks!	00:45
timeless_mbp	timeless@espejo:/var/www/repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle$ zgrep python-evolution Contents-armel.gz	00:45
redeeman	SpeedEvil: it probably didn't do a full reindex	00:45
xorAxAx	redeeman: DUN	00:45
timeless_mbp	usr/share/evolution-python/defs/ebook.defs python/python-evolution	00:45
xorAxAx	redeeman: slow because BT is slow	00:45
Kamui	till get the command going to my desktop	00:45
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xorAxAx	PAN would fail because of the missing nat module as well, nor?	00:45
redeeman	yes	00:45
redeeman	that's why i was wondering :)	00:45
redeeman	perhaps you were going it with routes or something	00:46
redeeman	or some weird way	00:46
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xorAxAx	so the answer is "no method is supported, the ones available suck"?	00:46
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timeless_mbp	timeless@espejo:/var/www/repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel$ zgrep python-evolution Packages.gz	00:46
timeless_mbp	Package: python-evolution	00:46
timeless_mbp	Filename: pool/fremantle/free/p/python-evolution/python-evolution_0.0.4-maemo1_armel.deb	00:46
xorAxAx	thats bad	00:46
pupnik	it is time for bed. how do i shut off cell radio so i dont microwave my brain while listening to n900:	00:46
timeless_mbp	mtd: that seems to indicate the file exists...	00:47
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GeneralAntilles	pupnik, it doesn't work like that.	00:47
timeless_mbp	hrm	00:48
timeless_mbp	grumble	00:48
pupnik	no cell tower polling with high power bursts	00:48
cehteh	pupnik: there is a app for the powerbutton menu wich lets you enable/disable cell	00:48
timeless_mbp	pupnik: you can install the thing that lets you turn off your cell radio	00:48
timeless_mbp	and my version is mod'd to use localized strings	00:48
mtd	timeless_mbp: yes, it does...evidently the answe to my questions "what apt source provides python-evolution?" is "extras-devel". So since I don't have that source set up, I can now a) find the package that isn't in extras-devel that requires it; and b) configure extras-devel :).	00:49
pupnik	ahh finally ty	00:49
timeless_mbp	cellular modem controls buttons	00:49
timeless_mbp	mtd: i'm having trouble figuring out where that .deb itself is	00:49
timeless_mbp	because i'm tired	00:49
cehteh	or nudge xorAxAx to help me with the profile switcher :)	00:50
timeless_mbp	roughly speaking though, i have "raw repo" access	00:50
xorAxAx	cehteh: btw, what is a profile in your terms?	00:50
xorAxAx	the ones in the settings gui?	00:50
cehteh	xorAxAx: not what nokia thinks about profiles but really global :)	00:50
cehteh	this profile in the menu is a subset of that	00:50
timeless_mbp	yeah, it exists in extras-devel	00:51
mtd	timeless_mbp: sigh, I found it also in extras, so I don't know why apt is not installing it :( http://espejo.freemoe.org/repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/p/python-evolution/	00:51
kamui__	SpeedEvil, not sure if Im too late on this	00:51
kamui__	add the exclusion to the tracker.cfg file	00:51
kamui__	then tracker-processes -r	00:51
timeless_mbp	mtd: oh well. ENOTMYPROBLEM :)	00:51
cehteh	well it isnt even a profile because its dynamic in different aspects	00:51
mtd	timeless_mbp: perhaps now this is repos down.	00:51
mtd	timeless_mbp: thanks for looking.	00:51
kamui__	after about 15 minutes the exluded directories on my device are excluded	00:51
kamui__	im not sure how this effects mount points though	00:52
xorAxAx	cehteh: how about "gestalt"? :)	00:52
cehteh	xorAxAx: you can do things like "dont turn on gps when you are withing home-wlan"	00:52
kamui__	Im stilli working on getting the TAB key mapped to shift SPACE	00:52
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cehteh	xorAxAx: dunno ..	00:52
mtd	is it OK to have both repository.maemo.org and http://espejo.freemoe.org apt sources enabled? Or should I disable one (set) while using the other (set)?	00:52
timeless_mbp	cehteh: can you do things like "don't use gps while in international roaming"? :)	00:52
cehteh	xorAxAx: dwim? :)	00:52
cehteh	timeless: yes that too	00:53
timeless_mbp	mtd: i'd disable the default one only because you'll waste time causing pain	00:53
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mtd	timeless_mbp: fair enough.	00:53
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mtd	timeless_mbp: thx.	00:53
xorAxAx	cehteh: hehe	00:53
timeless_mbp	but in theory no, it's just extra round trips	00:53
timeless_mbp	the one w/ the better set of packages wins on a per package basis	00:53
mtd	timeless_mbp: cool, thanks again.	00:53
xorAxAx	sigh, why does the device ship so few network related modules	00:54
timeless_mbp	xorAxAx: you mean why did nokia make an end user oriented product?	00:54
cehteh	community kernel ftw	00:54
timeless_mbp	xorAxAx: each module we add increases the testing surface	00:54
SpeedEvil	kamui: surely a reboot would work	00:54
timeless_mbp	it also increases the attack surface	00:54
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timeless_mbp	and the maintenance burden	00:55
SpeedEvil	only loaded modules	00:55
xorAxAx	timeless_mbp: a nat module would be useful with a gui for it	00:55
xorAxAx	and the space requirements	00:55
timeless_mbp	especially since our kernel ends up being fairly out of date/sync	00:55
cehteh	yeah	00:55
cehteh	community kernel ftw :P	00:55
timeless_mbp	xorAxAx: you want nokia to write a NAT GUI?	00:55
timeless_mbp	are you nuts?	00:55
* timeless_mbp watched someone try to configure a NAT/VPN system over newyears		00:55
xorAxAx	a feature that says "share connection wlan0 over usb"	00:55
redeeman	lol adding netfilter modules hardly increases the testing/maintenance burden	00:56
timeless_mbp	xorAxAx: we left that for third party devs to compete on	00:56
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xorAxAx	now i know why they are missing - somebody fearing laforge? :)	00:56
xorAxAx	timeless_mbp: hehe	00:56
timeless_mbp	it's an opportunity for you to value add :)	00:56
cehteh	having AP mode for wlan would be damn cool	00:56
timeless_mbp	sadly, I think technically AP mode might require more hardware than we have	00:57
timeless_mbp	iirc that's discussed in maemo-devel or something	00:57
cehteh	mhm can the dsp do hardware crypto? AES or sometihng to encrypt flash?	00:57
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cehteh	timeless_mbp: ohnoes	00:57
timeless_mbp	cehteh: you mean while it's playing an MPEG4 video?	00:57
timeless_mbp	(from disk)	00:58
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cehteh	playing? while encoding and streaming over the net and of course record it to encryted storage :P	00:58
timeless_mbp	ah right	00:58
timeless_mbp	glad to hear you're appropriately greedy	00:58
timeless_mbp	would you like it to make dinner at the same time too?	00:58
xorAxAx	yeah, it should heat up to fry eggs	00:59
cehteh	jk bit really the flash is so slow, and i have some experience with encrypted disks, even doing that on the CPU should be not that much burden	00:59
janszoon	anyone using MfE 2003 yet after 1.1 update......I am :-)	00:59
cehteh	(you rarely do that much bulk io on such a device)	00:59
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xorAxAx	cehteh: i do and its slow	00:59
cehteh	well lack of ram ..	00:59
cehteh	fennec will solve that	01:00
xorAxAx	i had it lately dying from bulk io ... load 16 and /proc/.../sysrq didnt work anymor	01:00
xorAxAx	e	01:00
xorAxAx	cehteh: how?	01:00
SpeedEvil	Can I file bugs against apps in the app store? I want to file a screenshot of angrybirds - with 'that should so have fallen' :)	01:00
cehteh	as soon its released we will see smartphones with 2G ram and 2Ghz dualcores :)	01:00
xorAxAx	ah, yes	01:00
xorAxAx	the intel scheme	01:00
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GeneralAntilles	SpeedEvil, no bugtracker for Ovi stuff as far as I'm aware.	01:01
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timeless_mbp	there's an internal bug tracker	01:02
timeless_mbp	but it scares me much more than the internal nokia bugzila	01:02
timeless_mbp	s/ila/illa/	01:02
infobot	timeless_mbp meant: but it scares me much more than the internal nokia bugzilla	01:02
xorAxAx	timeless_mbp: why is that?	01:03
timeless_mbp	SpeedEvil: as a lark, i'd probably file it in the misfiled part of bugs.maemo :)	01:03
timeless_mbp	xorAxAx: no comment	01:03
timeless_mbp	just trust me, there's scary, scarier, and that.	01:03
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xorAxAx	because of the setup? or the content?	01:03
timeless_mbp	yes	01:04
xorAxAx	hehe	01:04
xorAxAx	let me guess, they tried to implement business workflows that were required by the customer? :)	01:04
timeless_mbp	i really didn't and don't want to think about it	01:04
ignacius	I'm trying to open a new browser window programatically using qt dbus	01:05
ignacius	I have this piece of code	01:05
ignacius	http://pastebin.com/d7a5625f0	01:05
ignacius	but doesn't seem to work	01:06
ignacius	does anybody see something wrong in there?	01:06
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xorAxAx	ah, cool. i can do multiple dial ups with the same chip:	01:09
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xorAxAx	first i connect directly from the n900 and then i dial up via tethering	01:09
xorAxAx	now i try to move the tethering part to an ssh connection via usb networking and then i am able to connect to the internet from the laptop via usb cable	01:10
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xorAxAx	doesnt sound that odd? :)	01:13
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redeeman	does anyone know what applications in maemo uses the tracker data? is it only mediaplayer/imageviewer?	01:13
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timeless_mbp	camera contributes to it :)	01:17
redeeman	yeah okay	01:17
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redeeman	so its only images/video indexes that are used?	01:17
jophish	on the n900, does the touch sensitive surface extend beyond the screen?	01:18
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SpeedEvil	yes	01:18
SpeedEvil	on the right-hand edge by 5mm or so	01:18
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redeeman	hmm it would appear to do :D	01:19
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redeeman	didn't notice that before	01:19
grishnav	also on the left, no?	01:20
redeeman	didn't seem like it	01:20
xorAxAx	cehteh: how could i do that? i want to connect ssh n900 pnatd to pppd	01:20
grishnav	that's why the "history" and "cursor emulation" gestures work	01:20
xorAxAx	cehteh: but pppd wants to open a device	01:20
jophish	thanks	01:20
redeeman	grishnav: what?	01:20
cehteh	pnatd?	01:20
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xorAxAx	cehteh: it is a program that behaves like a modem to stdin/stdout	01:21
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cehteh	no idea	01:21
grishnav	redeeman: in the web browser, you activate the history by dragging your finger in from the right. just dragging from the right screen edge doesn't work, you have to start outside the screen. Same with cursor emulation, dragging in from the bottom-left.	01:21
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Kamui	well	01:24
Kamui	im going back to pidgin until the conversation plugin bug is resolved	01:25
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xorAxAx	cehteh: ah, with notty it should work	01:26
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rd	Does the N900 camera app write the geotags into the jpg image or a separte database?	01:27
Kamui	into the image	01:28
Kamui	its removed if you share and specify otherwise	01:28
SpeedEvil	into the image - badly	01:28
simula_	heh	01:28
Kamui	penis butter	01:28
SpeedEvil	https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6584	01:28
povbot`	Bug 6584: GPS geotagged pictures truncate precision of GPS reading (0 decimal places)	01:28
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xorAxAx	cehteh: how can i create anonymous sockets in sh?	01:28
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xorAxAx	cehteh: and use them as stdin/stdout in the next line?	01:29
cehteh	no idea :P	01:29
rd	I copied the jpg using ssh onto my linux machine	01:29
rd	exif does show only coordiantes though	01:29
xorAxAx	cehteh: i thought you are a shell magician	01:29
cehteh	doing other stuff and going to bed	01:29
rd	is there a way to read the geotags?	01:29
rd	outside of the N900?	01:30
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MaemohammadAG	rd i thought that's how all of them worked	01:31
MaemohammadAG	by adding coordinates	01:31
xorAxAx	ssh n900 >&3 <&4	01:31
xorAxAx	sudo /usr/sbin/pppd call tmobileusb <&3 >&4	01:31
xorAxAx	cehteh: that should work, right? good night	01:31
SpeedEvil	rd: exif	01:32
rd	I thought the N900 adds the city name to the jpg	01:32
cehteh	note that redirections are done as the calling user not sudo	01:32
SpeedEvil	rd: anything that reads exif metadata will tell you lat/lon	01:32
MaemohammadAG	rd no device does that afaik	01:32
rd	What ist the point of displaying the city while I am taking the photo?	01:32
rd	http://pastebin.com/m19c52f4d	01:33
rd	shows exif	01:33
SpeedEvil	rd: it's to auto-tag it for flickr et al.	01:33
rd	output	01:33
MaemohammadAG	cause any site like wikimapia will give you the location	01:33
SpeedEvil	rd: so it for example shows up if someone searches for that city	01:33
redeeman	SpeedEvil, kamui: after inspecting the tracker configuration file i think that it is not working properly - it appears to index stuff not specified in there	01:34
* MaemohammadAG checks the coordinates and finds out where rd lives		01:34
MaemohammadAG	:p	01:34
rd	SpeedEvil: is it correct that the city name is not in the exif information, just the lat/lon/alt ?	01:34
SpeedEvil	rd: dunno that - not loooked	01:34
Kamui	redeeman, ivd not looked intgo it since 1.01	01:34
Kamui	could be a 1.1 bug	01:34
MaemohammadAG	rd, correct	01:34
rd	MaemohammadAG: it will only tell where I took the photo ;-)	01:35
MaemohammadAG	i assume it's close to your house :)	01:35
redeeman	Kamui: it exhibited this behavior before too - for instance, it appears to index the backgrounds that comes bundled etc	01:35
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Kamui	yup	01:35
Kamui	but it indexes your home folder	01:35
rd	MaemohammadAG: The assumption is not bad....	01:35
Kamui	i had to exclude my wallpaper and game folders	01:35
MaemohammadAG	lol	01:35
redeeman	Kamui: the config file doesn't specify the homedir, only a few subdirs	01:36
rd	....but what is the point of Nokia that it displays me where I am while taking a photo?	01:36
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MaemohammadAG	i seem to have a problem, duplicate .folders in MyDocs	01:36
Kamui	otherwise i had an assload of warcraft 2 images in photos app	01:36
MaemohammadAG	only in filemanager	01:36
Kamui	redeeman, might be in a global file, i havent looked much further into t	01:36
Kamui	not since i got it working	01:36
SpeedEvil	rd: in case the position is in error - or to remind you if you want to edit it	01:37
rd	why don't they store it in the jpeg....when they already "paid" for getting the information	01:38
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SpeedEvil	there is no standard field for it I guess	01:38
redeeman	Kamui: no global config files for tracker	01:38
Kamui	well nipples. that kills that theory	01:40
Kamui	gotta be a symlink or something thats not obvious	01:41
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bekoz	such a long list of people and no chatter?	01:43
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SmilyOrg	well, it's around midnight in europe	01:45
SmilyOrg	and it's monday :)	01:45
bekoz	IC	01:45
bekoz	I'm in th eUS	01:45
* MaemohammadAG likes the headphone daemon		01:46
bekoz	not sure why this web IRC client put me on a european server	01:46
bekoz	LOLO	01:46
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ShadowJK_	the servers are connected. same people as if you had been connected to a us or asian server	01:47
bekoz	ok	01:47
MaemohammadAG	headphoned - Pauses the media player when headphones are unplugged	01:47
bekoz	it's strange then that there is no chatter from the people that are awake	01:48
bekoz	or at least should be	01:48
GeneralAntilles	bekoz, this is IRC	01:48
GeneralAntilles	People are often idle.	01:48
bekoz	idle is one thing	01:49
bekoz	with a list this size for no one to be talking is yet another	01:49
MaemohammadAG	lurking is another :P	01:49
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bekoz	looks like there mey be some lag also	01:50
SpeedEvil	bekoz: most of these people are in fact down for maintainance. The server at nokia is broken.	01:50
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bekoz	yeah I got that earlier trying to down some apps	01:51
MOUD	Hello	01:51
bekoz	I had to use espejo's mirror	01:51
bekoz	was glad to find it too	01:51
bekoz	lol	01:51
ShadowJK_	most lag originates from people ;)	01:52
bekoz	hey MOUD	01:52
MOUD	:)	01:52
bekoz	True ShadowJK	01:52
MOUD	hello bekoz	01:52
MOUD	how can I watch DivX movies on my n900?	01:52
bekoz	I'm fairly new to my N900 MOUD	01:53
ShadowJK_	I'm actually at work right now, using xchat on n900 for irc, which I shouldn't be doing being at work :0	01:53
MOUD	lol	01:53
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MOUD	that's ok bekoz	01:53
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MOUD	i just bought mine toda	01:54
smps	MOUD, try n900 integrated media player	01:54
MOUD	*today (sorry for the multi post)	01:54
smps	MOUD, or kmplayer	01:54
MOUD	smps: do you have the links pleaes?	01:54
bekoz	not sur eif you can get some additional decoders for DIVX	01:54
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smps	MOUD, try first preinstalled media player	01:54
MOUD	smps: the divx (.avi) file shows on the "Videos" section but no image appears and it can't be played	01:55
bekoz	ShadowJK everyone does it anyhow	01:55
bekoz	lol	01:55
MOUD	it says something about that codec not supported	01:55
smps	huh	01:55
redeeman	Kamui: i made it do as i want by manually removing the documents watch, and then adding MyDocs to nowatch	01:55
redeeman	now it only indexes explicitly listed	01:56
GeneralAntilles	bekoz, you clearly don't have much experience with IRC. ;)	01:56
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ShadowJK_	i think divx doesn't require any extra codecs	01:56
MaemohammadAG	MOUD, it's happened to me a lot	01:57
ShadowJK_	does it play the included 9 trailer ans N900 promo video?	01:57
MaemohammadAG	i think it's the extra-decoders package	01:57
MOUD	yes	01:57
MOUD	*yes it plays the promo video	01:57
bekoz	haven't done it in many years	01:57
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bekoz	why?	01:58
smps	MOUD, do you hear sound of your divx ?	01:58
bekoz	I 'm rysty	01:58
bekoz	lol	01:58
MOUD	smps: no, it doesn't open because the codec is not supported	01:58
ShadowJK_	what resolution?	01:58
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MOUD	not sure, torrents	02:00
smps	ok i am downloading divx to my device to test it	02:00
ShadowJK_	ok, using the fm transmitter with 3dB power overclock isn't going to lasta all the remaining 4 hours of work :)	02:00
smps	it does not work when i try to look that from server directly	02:00
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smps	ShadowJK_, you overclocked fm transmitter ?	02:01
MOUD	ok	02:01
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ShadowJK_	well you can boost the power a bit	02:02
ShadowJK_	not sure if that eventually fries it por what	02:03
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bekoz	ShadowJK < Are you using the FM Boost script? Is anyone?	02:04
ShadowJK_	but battery is dropping 1 percentage every 5 minutes.. 50 percent remaining times 5 minutes would only leave 10 minutes to spare :)	02:04
Kamui	mtpaint runs nicely on the n900	02:04
ShadowJK_	no i just did it manually	02:04
Kamui	slight interface issues	02:04
bekoz	IC	02:04
smps	ShadowJK_, how did you do that ?	02:04
Guest33601	Anyone know how to manually refresh the library for the media player, or clear the old library cache? I have a bunch of mp3s I deleted that are still listed in the media player.	02:04
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Kamui	next indexing they will vanish	02:05
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Kamui	tracker-processes -r iirc to clear the cache	02:05
Guest33601	cool, thanks.	02:06
smps	MOUD, divx from stream does not work but one directly from device is working	02:06
Kamui	mplayer is also working for me now	02:06
Kamui	in 1.1	02:06
Kamui	lotta good changes	02:07
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Kamui	btw, confirmed its definitely a problem with the conversation IM plugins	02:07
smps	MOUD, but mplayer does play it just fine both ways	02:07
Kamui	excessive battery drain stopped now that im using pidgin	02:07
smps	ShadowJK_, how did you "overclocked" fm trans ?	02:08
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ShadowJK_	it's a file in /sys, search talk.maemo.org I saw it there	02:08
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smps	ShadowJK_, power_level ?	02:10
MOUD	strange	02:11
MOUD	is it worth to update the system ?	02:11
MOUD	i have to go now	02:11
MOUD	thank you for the help	02:12
xorAxAx	this is how i use pnatd to do internet over ppp over pnatd over ssh over usb: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/166519/	02:12
xorAxAx	works like a charm	02:12
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MaemohammadAG	any way to change a song's name?	02:14
MaemohammadAG	the metadata name	02:14
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Kamui	dang, playing audio really rapes system resources	02:16
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SpeedEvil	kamui: that can be misleading	02:20
jebba	kamui ya, pulseaudio takes like 33% ...	02:21
bekoz	Anyone use MediaBox?	02:23
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bekoz	is there something better with similar functionality?	02:24
GeneralAntilles	At what CPU level, though.	02:24
bekoz	well that is the question	02:25
bekoz	IC MediaBox is a bit of a CPU hog	02:25
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bekoz	on the N900	02:26
bekoz	wondering if there is something even slightly better	02:26
bekoz	GeneralAntilles: was that to me or jabba?	02:27
redeeman	anyone else have problems playing xvid files?	02:27
redeeman	i just get black screen	02:28
redeeman	though i know it can decode it, since it usually freezes at first frame or something like it(video only, audio continues), and sometimes that frame contains something already	02:28
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smps	redeeman, i have that problem if i try to watch movie from server	02:30
GeneralAntilles	bekoz, about Pulse eating resources.	02:30
smps	redeeman, but from device directly without problems	02:30
redeeman	smps: ah, i do it from dlna	02:30
bekoz	ok	02:30
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redeeman	kamui_ hmm, it seems after i made the modification to tracker.cfg it now indexes ringtones	02:41
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bekoz	how do you get the media player to just index teh directories you want it to index?	02:42
bekoz	or watch the directories you want it to watch	02:44
redeeman	modify .config/tracker/tracker.cfg, but i haven't yet made it work exactly as i want	02:45
bekoz	someone else said they did that a little earlier but I switched IRC clients so I don't have that part of hte convo	02:46
* timeless_mbp looks for someone brave enough to use Nokia Messaging		02:46
timeless_mbp	#define brave foolhardy	02:47
bekoz	Thank you redeeman	02:47
redeeman	bekoz: let me know if you get it working as you want	02:47
bekoz	will do	02:47
bekoz	I looked back in the logs and it was you	02:50
bekoz	lol	02:50
redeeman	yes that was for the photo thing	02:50
redeeman	that works	02:50
redeeman	but it now indexes ring tones	02:50
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smps	is there any way to copy link in web browser on n900 ?	02:52
bekoz	hold your finger or stulus on the link	02:52
bekoz	you wil get a popup menu	02:53
smps	thx	02:53
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bekoz	sure	02:53
bekoz	redeeman are you on the N900?	02:53
redeeman	i have it in my one hand, but im not on irc from it	02:54
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arpy	heh i just logged in on my n900. xchat is nice.	02:54
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bekoz	I'm not familliar with the directory structure. where is the .config directory?	02:55
redeeman	in /home/user	02:55
redeeman	gotta go now, laters	02:55
bekoz	IC	02:55
bekoz	thanx	02:55
bekoz	hmmm	02:56
bekoz	not on mine	02:56
bekoz	oops	02:57
bekoz	nevermind	02:57
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bekoz	be back another time	03:01
bekoz	nice to meet everyone	03:02
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jebba	how is it that tablets-dev.nokia.com is down too? Nearly everything is gone...	03:02
MaemohammadAG	that's a bad move	03:03
MaemohammadAG	thanks again for the repos jebba	03:03
jebba	no prob :)	03:03
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smps	powerplant outage ?	03:04
MaemohammadAG	isp move	03:05
GeneralAntilles	jebba, same host.	03:05
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xorAxAx	the location posting feature is cool	03:07
jebba	they've moved to a new multi-SPOF network	03:07
pwnguin	multiple single point of failure?	03:08
jebba	:)	03:08
jebba	ya, they have multiple points where a single failure can bring the whole thing down	03:08
pwnguin	i thought that was a few days ago	03:09
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jebba	hard to keep track of all the outages.	03:09
pwnguin	nah, nagios makes it easy to track multiple outages	03:09
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UQsf	nighty all	03:12
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UQsf	:(	03:14
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cpscotti	Hey there.. is extras repository totally out or is there something bad with me?	03:29
SpeedEvil	see hte topic	03:29
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SpeedEvil	A reindeer pooped on the server.	03:29
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cpscotti	SpeedEvil: that answer was for me?	03:33
cpscotti	any ideas on when it's comming back?	03:33
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SpeedEvil	I assume sometime monday is likely.	03:36
kamui__	wowzers	03:36
SpeedEvil	presumably nobody was able to work on it during the weekend due to the security lions or something.	03:36
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SpeedEvil	but I don't think there has been any actual info from anyone that knows on an ETA	03:37
GeneralAntilles	Monday is the ETA.	03:37
goodwill	I think the servers just needed a good wekend of drinking	03:37
cpscotti	ohh	03:37
cpscotti	ye..	03:37
cpscotti	just found on talk	03:37
goodwill	everyone needs that at some point or other	03:37
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cpscotti	goodwill: totally agreed!	03:37
similac	are the espejo mirrors still working?	03:38
goodwill	yes	03:38
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goodwill	all hail jebba	03:38
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similac	strange I can't get to them or the maemo servers now	03:38
goodwill	similac: http://espejo.freemoe.org/repository.maemo.org/extras/ ... works for me	03:39
similac	thanks	03:40
goodwill	qtircelco is nice	03:40
goodwill	but I think the transmitter is directional instead of area	03:41
goodwill	cause I have to point it directly	03:41
goodwill	tomorrow I'll mess with Mac boys at work ...	03:41
goodwill	hehehe	03:41
goodwill	iPhone my a....	03:41
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MaemohammadAG	goodwill, you're right	03:44
MaemohammadAG	i thought it was weak	03:44
MaemohammadAG	pointing it directly works	03:44
goodwill	MaemohammadAG: I kinda wonder if its possible to install a little lense over it ...	03:45
MaemohammadAG	might be possible	03:47
MaemohammadAG	or a small reflector	03:47
MaemohammadAG	anyways i'm off	03:51
MaemohammadAG	have fun with your mac friends goodwill :p	03:51
MaemohammadAG	nn	03:51
goodwill	hehehe	03:51
* MaemohammadAG marks his next target, the tv store		03:51
similac	not sur ewhy Application manager is failing on getting the info from those catalogs now, it worked earkier today	03:53
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similac	earlier even	03:53
similac	lol	03:53
goodwill	interesting ... messaging uses html and js for render	03:53
goodwill	this opens up a lot of possibilities	03:53
similac	splitsville	03:53
ruied	can I open samba shares in n900?	03:54
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torindel	ruied: if you install kernel module yes	03:54
similac	anyone have any ideas why the catalogs I should be able to reach are failing to refresh on N900	03:56
similac	?	03:56
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goodwill	simeoni: there shoudl be an error message yo can look at	03:56
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similac	strange messages	03:56
similac	it's telling me it couldn't resolve teh domain but it gives nme the ip address to the name	03:57
similac	LOL	03:57
jebba	similac: which messages? I just checked each server and the logs are flowing.	03:57
VDVsx	so, the mailing list are down ? (I was out during the week, catching up atm :) )	03:57
jebba	VDVsx: yes down.	03:57
VDVsx	great!	03:58
jebba	for the whole weekend. Along with the repos, the firmware images on tablets-dev.nokia.com etc.	03:58
VDVsx	ouch	03:58
VDVsx	seems that Nokia has a god provider :p	03:58
VDVsx	*good	03:58
similac	actually its telling me it could not connect to the url	03:58
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similac	Unable to connect to espejo.freemoe.org	04:00
similac	strange	04:00
jebba	similac: well, others can. Something local to you.	04:00
similac	yeah	04:00
similac	just my phone	04:00
swc\|666	change your dns	04:00
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goodwill	espejo.freemoe.org is down	04:01
similac	I have been having strange results with networking today	04:02
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jebba	goodwill: in what way?	04:03
goodwill	jebba: nm ... I think I overreacted ...	04:04
jebba	if you want i'll give you shell access and you can check the log files and see for yourself that it's not down. :)	04:04
goodwill	jebba: :)	04:04
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goodwill	jebba: I kinda thought it overloaded	04:04
goodwill	jebba: thanks for the repos	04:04
swc\|666	jebba, i've noticed lag in resolving it by domain name, but it resolves instantly by the A record ip's	04:04
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similac	so maybe I'm not crazy?	04:05
goodwill	similac: lets not mix 2 things :)	04:06
similac	lol	04:07
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similac	Now I received teh updates from the catalogs	04:08
jebba	swc\|666: use 8.8.8.8 for your nameserver :)	04:09
goodwill	what exactly is the point of the flashlight applet	04:11
goodwill	it just flashesh	04:11
swc\|666	jebba, yea i can resolve it quick from my corporate dns.. but i'd _never_ use google for resolving because it would feel dirty ;)	04:11
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goodwill	it does not keep it on	04:11
jebba	heh	04:12
SpeedEvil	goodwill: it works for me.	04:14
SpeedEvil	goodwill: that is - it stays on	04:14
goodwill	interesting ...	04:14
goodwill	for me it just flashes	04:14
SpeedEvil	goodwill: open camera, dismiss camera app, click time/... area, click 'flashlight' to turn it on	04:15
similac	yeah works for me just fine	04:15
jebba	be careful with that flashlight thing. It may damage your hardware. There's a thread on talk about it.	04:15
goodwill	hmmm	04:15
SpeedEvil	Which is ass-hatted.	04:15
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SpeedEvil	Unless the comments in the driver are incorrect, the flashlight is being used at its rated power for continuous duty.	04:16
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jebba	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38223 flashlight thread	04:16
SpeedEvil	However - there is no protection against the flash being used at full power quite often indeed - which will heat it more	04:16
jebba	SpeedEvil: which comment in the driver?	04:17
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jebba	g2g for a bit	04:17
goodwill	ah .. a reboot fixed it	04:17
goodwill	i think it had something to do with the camera	04:18
SpeedEvil	jebba: the comment in the platform driver. Look at the comment about it I made in the n900_hardware_flashlight page on the wiki	04:19
SpeedEvil	which links	04:19
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goodwill	also I had it plugged intoi chargin	04:20
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jebba	SpeedEvil: ya, that's what i was talking about. But i read it differently. See that talk thread too	04:27
SpeedEvil	I see nothing more than largely uninformed speculation.	04:27
SpeedEvil	quote the lines that concern you	04:28
jebba	do you see the parts where i put the kernel code and the git log?	04:28
SpeedEvil	no - I was skimming it looking for concrete data	04:28
jebba	i'm not sure in the flashlight app how high it runs it though	04:28
SpeedEvil	without kernel mods - it can't run it continuously at low power	04:29
jebba	http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=443341&postcount=19	04:29
SpeedEvil	as I read the driver	04:29
SpeedEvil	Thermal reasons	04:29
SpeedEvil	the LEDs are flash rated LEDs	04:29
SpeedEvil	that do not have adequate tehrmal paths to sustain operation at full current forever	04:30
SpeedEvil	presumably.	04:30
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ShadowJK_	anyone know how many mA full current is?	04:31
SpeedEvil	320 IIRC	04:31
SpeedEvil	vs 50 continyous	04:31
SpeedEvil	the LED brightness is on the order of a tenth of flash LED brightness, so I've not bothered checking the source.	04:32
smps	huh 320 is some big number	04:32
SpeedEvil	It's clearly _lots_ dimmer.	04:32
SpeedEvil	.32A is a much smaller number	04:32
smps	for leds 320 mA is big	04:32
torindel	SpeedEvil: i think better idea would be just use screen backlight (white display + ignore light sensor) instead of that flashlight app	04:33
SpeedEvil	no, it's not.	04:33
ShadowJK_	for a led without heatsink it's not something you want for more than a few seconds	04:33
SpeedEvil	torindel: The driver explicityl says that 50mA is OK. The flashlight app cannot without patrching the kernel do more than 50mA	04:33
SpeedEvil	Continuously	04:33
SpeedEvil	It could of course flash - but...	04:34
arpwatch	strobe flashlight?	04:34
SpeedEvil	Power LEDs are quite high power these days.	04:34
SpeedEvil	I have one 3.5*3.5mm LED that takes up to 3 watts, and emits about as much light as a 15W halogen bulb.	04:35
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ShadowJK_	consider that maglite LED module (bulb replacement) is 350mA (iirc), and goes into thermal throttle because the maglite torches have inadequate thermal path (designed for incandescent bulbs), then compare the thermal heatsinking of the n900 LEDs...	04:35
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SpeedEvil	And yes - that's all quite irrelevant to the LEDs being run at 1/7th their peak power.	04:36
SpeedEvil	Which is explicityl stated in the driver that they can do	04:36
SpeedEvil	they will get lots hotter at 0.5s flash per 3 seconds or so	04:37
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SpeedEvil	over a couple of minutes say	04:37
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red	melted screen	04:39
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SpeedEvil	1/7th of the peak current rather. probably more like 1/10th of the peak power.	04:41
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red	spent 30min rendering something	04:48
red	and noticed I had been editing effects in a keyframe one too soon, so next frame applied old values	04:48
red	ffs >_<	04:48
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microlith	jebba: I like your subdomains	05:17
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jebba	:)	05:21
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Dr_Cain	repos still down?	05:23
Dr_Cain	also in which repo is the portmap package?	05:23
Dr_Cain	kind of need it for nfs :\|	05:23
KenYoung	Dr_Cain, Down 'til tomorrow, at least.	05:24
Dr_Cain	ah, alright	05:24
KenYoung	Dr_Cain, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=477928#post477928	05:24
jebba	Dr_Cain: mirror here: http://espejo.freemoe.org/	05:25
Dr_Cain	heh cool	05:25
Dr_Cain	I think I can wait another day though	05:25
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arpwatch	anyone ever convert one non-working video (.mkv file, VLC says its codecs are avc1/a52) into a format that will play on n900? I followed these directions and no luck. http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding#Step-by-step_DVD_to_MP4_using_Handbrake The audio plays but the video blinks.	05:29
arpwatch	tried playing in kmplayer and the default player(mplayer?)	05:32
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BlackHand	O_O	05:36
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pwnguin	having a digital camera around is pretty handy for debugging IR LEDs	05:49
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grishnav	damnit, are the catalogs really still down?	07:10
microlith	until monday	07:14
KenYoung	grinsekatze, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=477928#post477928	07:15
KenYoung	(Ooops - I meant grishnav )	07:15
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arpwatch	guess people don't work over there in Yurop on the weekends	07:18
grishnav	so is there any harm in using a mirror? if i install stuff from the mirror, will it correctly get updates from the regular repo when it comes back online?	07:21
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arpwatch	grishnav: best to disable the official repo for the moment if you are using mirror	07:23
arpwatch	I installed xchat today with no worries from the mirror. Darn fast, too.	07:23
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ShadowJK_	I hope this doesn't ignite some drive to move maemo.org to ncorporate nokia infrastructure	07:38
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KenYoung	ShadowJK_, What do you mean by "this" ?	07:40
ShadowJK_	the weekend outage	07:40
KenYoung	ShadowJK_, My understanding is that there have been server problems for a longer time period than that. Why would it be a bad think to move maemo.org to Nokia servers, or was thant not what you were referring to?	07:42
KenYoung	s/thing/think/	07:42
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ShadowJK_	despite the problems I think it's better that maemo has "control" over the server and can add new stuff and change stuff without having to go through nokia sysadmins...	07:43
ShadowJK_	the thing timeless said about anything taking a minimum of 6 months on nokia's own infra :)	07:45
Disconnect	ask george france (of handhelds.org) about the mess he had when hp bought compaq, and again when they closed down the research lab that hosted it, and again when they stopped gifting the server space. way better to be on external infra, even if nokia wants to pay for it outright..	07:53
arpwatch	Carly Fiorina was teh CEO of HP when they bought Compaq. Of course the devil is going to screw you over.	07:55
arpwatch	teh...the.	07:55
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ShadowJK_	man, that "ISP's" webpage makes me think of dilbert comics	08:00
Disconnect	arpwatch: sure, cuz she went around to every employee to see how she could make their lives difficult.. or something..	08:01
Disconnect	it had way more to do with stuff like router configs, ip address changes, domain management..	08:01
ShadowJK_	50 pages to say "we consultants. we take your money."	08:01
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* RST38h moos		08:09
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RST38h	BTW, Fiorina is still alive and kicking	08:10
RST38h	She is considered very successfull =)	08:11
KenYoung	RST38h, It is believed she will run for the US Senate soon. She wants to move beyond distroying the US one company at a time.	08:13
KenYoung	s/distroying/destroying/	08:14
infobot	KenYoung meant: RST38h, It is believed she will run for the US Senate soon. She wants to move beyond destroying the US one company at a time.	08:14
RST38h	KenYoung: I hope she runs for Texas or something then	08:14
KenYoung	RST38h, She's got her eye on a California Senate seat.	08:15
RST38h	Ahahaha	08:15
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tekojo	Morning	08:18
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RST38h	HELO tekojo	08:20
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tekojo	RST38h what does "dig repository.maemo.org" say to you?	08:22
RST38h	a moment	08:23
RST38h	;; Query time: 182 msec	08:23
RST38h	;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1)	08:23
RST38h	;; WHEN: Mon Jan 18 01:23:07 2010	08:23
RST38h	;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 97	08:23
RST38h	maemo.org. 3600 IN SOA ns.nokia.com. hostmaster.nokia.com. 2010011701 7200 3600 1209600 3600	08:23
tekojo	not good, should be something else entirely	08:24
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TommyBres	there's no place like 127.0.0.1	08:27
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RST38h	tommy: that is the local address issuing the query apparently	08:30
TommyBres	RST38h: that's a joke, i've seen it written on a nerd's t-shirt	08:31
TommyBres	127.0.0.1 = localhost = "home"	08:31
TommyBres	there's no place like home	08:31
hrw\|gone	repository.maemo.org still dead?	08:31
arpwatch	oh come on you don't have to spell it out. :P	08:31
tekojo	hrw\|gone yep, dns points to nowhere	08:31
tekojo	still some more clearing work to do	08:31
TommyBres	arpwatch: apparently i do lol :P	08:31
hrw\|gone	nice server move	08:32
tekojo	not happy either	08:32
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arpwatch	hrw\|gone: apparently Yurop'eans don't work on weekends.	08:32
arpwatch	(I have no idea if that is true or not, just perpetuating stereotypes)	08:33
tekojo	some of us do, but apparently not our isp	08:33
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microlith	mm, note to self, don't transfer files over wifi	08:36
microlith	device is quite toasty	08:36
arpwatch	mine seems to be a bit warm over the past couple of days. I don't know if the update is causing it somehow or what. I've been moving quite a few files over usb/wifi.	08:38
hrw\|gone	arpwatch: it rather looks like 'we chosen hosting center which does not have any weekend time support'	08:38
microlith	arpwatch: over wifi it pegs the cpu	08:39
microlith	that and I have to turn off wifi power management or my router won't talk to my device	08:39
hrw\|gone	~curse modest development	08:40
infobot	May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, modest development !	08:40
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hrw	morning	08:40
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arpwatch	hrw: is it Bob's Bit's n Stuff ?	08:41
hrw	que?	08:41
hrw	byr\	08:42
arpwatch	I know every country is a little different but it seems like the internet and apps run on their own time. I can't imagine a company that just says "Stuff it, we'll save it for Monday"	08:42
tekojo	arpwatch I so agree and will tell it to an ISP in about half an hour when there is someone to talk to in colourful language	08:44
arpwatch	tekojo: ha! Well if you want you can forward them to me. I'm 3 sheets into the wind and I'll curse them in bad english, worse german, or awful dutch.	08:45
microlith	do all 3, for added effect	08:46
arpwatch	at the same time? it just might work.	08:46
tekojo	arpwatch, Ooh cursing in dutch would be a great trick	08:46
tigert	tekojo: so whats the real ip the dns should point to?	08:47
tekojo	to akamai caching	08:47
tekojo	it's a CNAME	08:47
tigert	ah ok	08:47
tekojo	not an ip	08:47
tigert	right	08:47
arpwatch	:) time for the fools to go to bed. Hopefully I won't be using the mirror tomorrow.	08:48
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tigert	the isp screwed up and there is nobody looking over things over weekend?	08:48
tigert	gah	08:48
tekojo	yep	08:49
tigert	suck	08:50
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tigert	i guess a good isp is one where you can /msg the sysadmin on irc because he hangs on the same channels ;)	08:54
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tigert	those are getting rare though	08:56
tigert	(or I am on wrong channels ;)	08:56
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hrw	~curse modest development	09:16
infobot	May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, modest development !	09:16
hrw	there is a fix for bug in 3.2 and master branches. but 51.1 uses modest-3.1 branch which lacks too many changes to get fix applicable...	09:18
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ifreq	does the mediaplayer lib have long refresh/indexing time?	09:27
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jamie	7/wc	09:35
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TriztFromWork	How's it going with the DNS for r.m.o?	09:38
pronto	Ris there any easy fast way to force update on the media players video list?	09:38
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tekojo	TriztFromWork propagating according to our hostmaster	09:43
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pupnik	we need a frontend for building media player playlists that allows some more flexible selection. i cannot build a playlist from multiplÃe albums or categories	09:44
pupnik	Apple seeks ban on nokia imports http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10436415-37.html	09:46
pupnik	When government is allowed to regulate buying and selling, the first thing bought and sold is government. - P.J. OÃ¤Rourke	09:47
TriztFromWork	lets ban US and the world becomes a better place	09:48
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Caesium	is there any known reason that ctrl isn't sticky like shift and blue-fn arrow are? and is it fixable in the keymap?	09:56
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TriztFromWork	how often do you need a sticky ctrl?	10:11
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Caesium	quite often, screen detach of ctrl-a d is hard using left hand only without it	10:13
tigert	Name: a515.g.akamai.net	10:13
tigert	ok, propagating indeed	10:13
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Wolfie	Caesium: xterm's on-screen ctrl is sticky	10:15
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ifvoid	hi\	10:16
Caesium	yeah, that's what I use atm	10:16
ifvoid	http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/non-free/binary-armel/Packages.gz	10:16
ifvoid	that doesn't look good :(	10:16
X-Fade	ifvoid: Waiting for the cache to be flushed.	10:17
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Stskeeps	morning	10:23
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ruskie	http://petition.stopsoftwarepatents.eu/ <-- hmm	10:43
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Lynoure	Interesting, before the latest upgrade, if I had Quicknote running and clicked on the launcher on the desktop, I got sent to the existing Quicknote	10:45
Lynoure	Now a new one gets started.	10:45
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timeless_mbp	tekojo: oh, can you record your discussions? i want to hear finns using colorful language	10:49
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tekojo	timeless_mbp it's fairly monotonic	10:49
timeless_mbp	tigert: dunno, DreamHost sitll does that	10:50
jX	timeless: Love the hidden portrait mode for the browser, btw	10:50
Hukka	Urgh, apt complains of missing repository keys	10:50
jX	it's schweet.	10:50
Hukka	Did something happen with the old ones?	10:50
jX	Hukka: Maemo.org is on the move	10:50
jX	so they're down for now	10:50
timeless_mbp	Hukka: you should read the channel topic	10:50
tekojo	Hukka you are seeing a problem with the akamai caching. It's being solved	10:50
timeless_mbp	for some stupid reason we put topical information into the topic	10:51
timeless_mbp	tekojo: presumably you'll use qaiku to update people	10:51
Hukka	timeless_mbp: I read it when I join, but yeah, should check it more often	10:51
tekojo	timeless_mbp good point	10:51
* timeless_mbp goes to a morning meeting		10:51
timeless_mbp	tekojo: are you going to be at the meeting or are you still babysitting the isp?	10:52
Hukka	I just thought it was odd that the packages download, but the keys are off	10:52
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tekojo	timeless_mbp meeting?	10:55
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timeless_mbp	oops, wrong group	10:58
tekojo	no prob	10:59
timeless_mbp	people don't seem to understand the definition of "all"	10:59
timeless_mbp	so someone hijacked it	10:59
timeless_mbp	...	10:59
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X-Fade	Hukka: Better now?	11:02
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Hukka	X-Fade: Yeah	11:03
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Arkenoi	looks strange: my n900 always charges from USB cable but if i plug the charger shipped with the device it ofiten have to re-plug it second time to get it charging	11:16
Arkenoi	i often have, even	11:16
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* timeless frowns		11:20
timeless	Lynoure: that'd be a bug in quicknote	11:20
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simonss	Hello. Anyone here that could answer a question about flashing my n900?	11:22
Stskeeps	shoot	11:22
timeless	x-fade: ping	11:23
timeless	timeless_mbp can't join #maemo	11:23
X-Fade	timeless: yep	11:23
simonss	I want to flash my N900 with a Norwegian keyboard, and unsure which image is the right	11:23
X-Fade	timeless: Now you should.	11:23
X-Fade	timeless: removed -r mode.	11:23
timeless	the irc client there claims that the channel required users to be ...	11:23
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timeless	thanks	11:23
X-Fade	Don't know who set that, but that is a bit of a barrier to entry.	11:24
timeless	no kidding	11:24
Stskeeps	X-Fade: a huge spam attack and it was advised by freenode staff i think	11:24
simonss	which image will enable the norgwegian hardware keyboard and let flash the device with the norwegian settings?	11:24
Stskeeps	simonss: any, i think	11:24
X-Fade	Stskeeps: Yeah, but that is jus not an option.	11:24
* timeless_mbp has now surpassed an unreasonably high barrier to entry		11:24
Stskeeps	X-Fade: for longer than attack lasts, yeah, it's not	11:24
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X-Fade	Stskeeps: That will wipe out about half of our users.	11:25
* Stskeeps still has 84% of the ircd market, so he knows :P		11:25
simonss	ok? so should I just go with http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ?	11:25
hrw	ok, need to take care of other things. bye	11:25
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timeless_mbp	simonss: you know that you can change the keyboard layout after you boot, right?	11:25
timeless_mbp	and that the device is supposed to figure out which country it's in so that it doesn't violate local airwave laws	11:26
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simonss	nope. didn't know. but sounds great. was just wondering because there were different images for us and middle easst	11:27
simonss	anyway. Thanks for lovely and quick support :) see you around!	11:27
ifvoid	does anyone know which repository libgles2 (for fremantle) is supposed to be in? Qt depends on it, but apt-get can't find it...	11:28
Stskeeps	ifvoid: nokia-binaries	11:28
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simonss	By the way I'm flashing because of this Bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5838 Its unresolved and has happened to other people I know.	11:29
povbot`	Bug 5838: Certain directory entries are duplicated	11:29
ifvoid	Stskeeps: how do I install those for fremantle?	11:29
simonss	any ideas?	11:29
ifvoid	Stskeeps: maemo-sdk says: "Error: Binary-only supplement package not available for fremantle5.0minimal_armel."	11:29
sivang	morning rockefellas!	11:30
sivang	What a wonderful rainey morning.	11:30
Stskeeps	ifvoid: that's sb1 or sb2?	11:30
ifvoid	sb2	11:30
Stskeeps	no idea sorry :/	11:30
ifvoid	trying to follow the instruction here http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install-debian.html	11:30
ifvoid	which worked perfectly for diablo	11:31
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sivang	Stskeeps: why don't you use the install script ?	11:31
sivang	Stskeeps: it uses system's pakcages	11:31
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sivang	Stskeeps: so no /opt pollution	11:32
Stskeeps	er.. me or ifvoid	11:32
sivang	oops	11:32
sivang	yes :)	11:32
sivang	ifvoid: ^^^	11:32
ifvoid	sivang: install script?	11:32
rkc	Hi.. I have a touch selector in my window.. I want to append new elements in the selector. Appending works fine. But, the windw is not getting refreshed... how to refresh the window?	11:32
sivang	ifvoid: yeah, a PyQt4 based install script for the sdk	11:32
sivang	ifvoid: very neat	11:32
ifvoid	oh, sounds nice	11:32
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ifvoid	where can I get it?	11:32
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sivang	ifvoid: getting you the link	11:33
sivang	ifvoid: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py	11:34
sivang	ifvoid: chmod 755 on the file, then execute it and it wil tell you eeveryhting needed to install the SDK	11:34
ifvoid	ok, let's see if that works	11:35
sivang	ifvoid: worked like a charm for me on sid and ubuntu	11:35
sivang	(9.10)	11:35
ifvoid	64 bit?	11:35
sivang	ifvoid: a friend of mine I think managed to do with 64bit	11:36
sivang	ifvoid: on an AMD based machine	11:36
sivang	Phenom processor	11:36
ifvoid	yeah, but 64 bit distro or 32 bit?	11:36
ifvoid	before, quemu only worked on 32 bit or some such weirdness	11:37
sivang	ifvoid: 64bit 9.10, ubuntu	11:37
sivang	ifvoid: he might have been using a 32bit compatibility mode or something like that	11:37
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sivang	shame eh took the machine else i could have checked for you	11:37
sivang	(he was a flatmate and moved out)	11:37
sivang	ifvoid: anyway, see what the install script tells you	11:38
ifvoid	it seems to use scratchbox1, is that right?	11:38
sivang	ifvoid: but I don't have a 64bit machine, so I wouldn't be able to help much other that that.	11:38
sivang	ifvoid: it does	11:38
sivang	ifvoid: I can give you his email and you can ask how he managed to solve possible issues he had.	11:39
ifvoid	let's first see if this works correctly	11:39
simonss	does anyone know if last firmware update helped Google services sync through exchange?	11:40
fcrozat	simonss: no change	11:40
simonss	:(	11:40
fcrozat	it still kind of work ;)	11:40
fcrozat	just don't merge contacts on your n900	11:40
simonss	so still only intial sync of contacts and calendar right? I can't get them to continuously sync	11:40
simonss	what happens if you merge on the n900?	11:41
fcrozat	for me, continuously sync works	11:41
fcrozat	just make sure to remove ALL calendar items on your n900	11:41
fcrozat	and force a full resync	11:41
fcrozat	after that, I get contacts and calendar sync working	11:42
simonss	I like to merge them so I can use the feature of having google talk, msn, skype and sms of a person all in one contact.	11:42
simonss	but thats maybe what bugs the syncing...	11:42
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fcrozat	if you try to merge contacts (when google talk, msn, etc are enabled), it breaks contact sync	11:42
Stskeeps	morning wazd	11:42
* timeless_mbp grumbles		11:42
timeless_mbp	28 bugmails from bugs.maemo.org	11:43
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simonss	hm. I just tried to flash my device (wanted to completely flash it) but still all the documents and settings persist? only factory settings are reset and programs gone. Have I only flashed the rootfs? How do i flash the whole device?	11:44
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simonss	Do i need to follow the instructions for flashing eMMC?	11:46
DocScrutinizer	simonss: flash eMMC	11:47
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simonss	okidok. It says " Vanilla flash image doesnt come with preloaded maps" What does that mean?	11:47
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Stskeeps	simonss: as in they don't precache according to your region	11:49
Stskeeps	you can always download and extract though	11:49
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simonss	Stskeeps: I never realized my device came with preloaded maps. was sure I had to download everything I viewed. Where can I find map files to upload to my device?	11:50
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* Stskeeps tries to look		11:51
Mece	so what's the word on the repos?	11:52
X-Fade	Mece: should be working?	11:52
florian	good morning	11:52
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sakkadakka	Stskeeps: sorry I fell out. hope I didn't miss ur answer?	11:53
Mece	heh good timing. I tried it 5m ago :D	11:53
Stskeeps	sakkadakka: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2009/10/13/downloading_ovi_maps_without_a_network_c	11:54
Mece	what's the word on tmo then?	11:54
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Stskeeps	tmo hasn't been down	11:54
jockepr0	yo!	11:54
Mece	i can't seem to reach tmo	11:55
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Mece	oh sweet updates how I've missed you!	11:55
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Stskeeps	http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/talk.maemo.org	11:55
sakkadakka	Stskeeps: thanks. wonderful :) Last question: Is there any way to sync N900 Ovi Maps with the browser version?	11:56
Stskeeps	no idea	11:56
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Sargun	Has anyone hacked plain old debian or ubuntu onto the n900	11:56
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Stskeeps	Sargun: Mer runs on n900, so ubuntu does too	11:57
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wazd	heya all	11:57
sivang	is Mer better catch than Maemo ?	11:57
Stskeeps	depending on perspective but not often	11:57
Mece	stskeeps, apparently it's just me. brilliant site that on :)	11:58
adeus	hmm why is ~/.gnupg with root owner?	11:58
Sargun	mer?	11:58
Jaffa	Morning, all	11:58
Stskeeps	~mer	11:58
infobot	from memory, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer	11:58
sivang	hey hrw	11:58
sivang	hey Jaffa	11:58
Stskeeps	Sargun: ubuntu rootfs plus http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/enabling-rtc-clock-battery-charging-and.html and xserver-xorg-input-tslib should do the trick	11:58
sivang	Jaffa: what's going on with the tool to download ovi maps on the machine ?	11:58
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Sargun	can you put the radios into monitor mode?	11:59
* sivang checks if his mirror is ready		11:59
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sivang	has anybody else experienced very long time before connecting the GPS data?	11:59
sivang	It practically never works.	11:59
Stskeeps	sivang: AGPS is really a good thing to use	12:00
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RST38h	Sts: Indeed, when you have A-	12:00
Stskeeps	RST38h: that said, there are fishy situations with non A- gps	12:00
* wazd 's looking where to buy anaglyph goggles		12:00
sivang	Stskeeps: what is it?	12:01
Stskeeps	sivang: assisted GPS	12:01
sivang	jebba: oh dear, my disk ran full	12:01
Stskeeps	on n900 that works fine for me	12:01
sivang	jebba: so rsync stopped in the middle	12:01
* sivang googles for assisted GPS		12:01
RST38h	wazd: mghm...why?	12:01
wazd	RST38h: want to try it :P	12:02
Stskeeps	sivang: PR1.0 or PR1.1?	12:02
sivang	Stskeeps: you mean the software version?	12:02
wazd	RST38h: nVidia 3D g's are "oh my god why so expensive"	12:02
sivang	Stskeeps: not sure what you're asking me :)	12:02
RST38h	wazd: these are made by holding red/blue glasses to left/right eyes	12:02
wazd	RST38h: well, I know :D	12:02
Stskeeps	sivang: right	12:03
RST38h	wazd: You can either make them yourself or pick some kids' magazine from the nearest kiosk	12:03
sivang	Stskeeps: /me Abouts on the N900	12:03
Stskeeps	and Maep gives a much better experience of the n900 gps :P	12:03
Stskeeps	than ovi maps	12:03
RST38h	Maep rules	12:03
RST38h	Do you know how I can contact the author btw?	12:03
sivang	Stskeeps: OVI maps is quite poor, yes	12:04
Stskeeps	it's till- isn't it	12:04
sivang	Stskeeps: Maep is a FLOSS app?	12:04
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Stskeeps	yes, you can use it to floss with	12:04
sivang	hehe	12:04
sivang	FOSS	12:04
sivang	:)	12:04
sivang	Stskeeps: no PR on at the about product page	12:05
sivang	Stskeeps: where do I get that PR number?	12:05
Stskeeps	sivang: what version does it say?	12:05
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sivang	2.2009.51-1	12:05
Stskeeps	right, PR1.1	12:06
Stskeeps	try out Maep and see how it performs then	12:06
sivang	okay	12:06
Stskeeps	i really had no issue with my setup	12:06
sivang	JUst need to fix the sources.list	12:06
* Stskeeps tries to make Maep cache maps for helsinki		12:06
sivang	are nokia repos up ?	12:06
sivang	I tried mirroring them, but I do not have enough disk space :/	12:06
Stskeeps	DNS is changing, takes time	12:06
Stskeeps	so it might be	12:06
sivang	let's check	12:07
* sivang checks in scrapbox		12:07
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arachnist	why doesn't it have a more reasonable TTL, like 3600s?	12:09
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sivang	repos seems to be up	12:11
sivang	btw, anybody esle saw the terrible bug when asking the phone app to kick it on tilt ?	12:12
sivang	when the call finishes,	12:12
sivang	it puts you back in the desktop but doesn't go back to landscape view	12:12
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sivang	and from there everything's corrupted	12:12
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sivang	the view size of the desktop	12:12
rabbitear	.	12:12
X-Fade	sivang: Yes, I have seen this, but couldn't reproduce.	12:12
sivang	X-Fade: hard to reprodue, but I think I can	12:13
X-Fade	sivang: At least I couldn't find the exact sequence.	12:13
sivang	right	12:13
sivang	it doesn't seem to be deterministic	12:13
sivang	odd	12:13
sivang	we also need to improve multitasking.	12:13
X-Fade	sivang: lock device, press powerbutton. and open with on screen slider.	12:13
sivang	There are certain tasks, that make doing other things on the phone jerky	12:14
sivang	for example, having a call and trying to use Conboy	12:14
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sivang	(to take a note)	12:14
rabbitear	I think people think powermanagement is a slow thing	12:14
X-Fade	That is basically swapping.	12:14
sivang	that happens also when not using the phone app	12:14
X-Fade	Not enough ram, so it swapsand this is slow.	12:14
sivang	the phone app seems to be eating lots of resources for some odd reason	12:14
rabbitear	I used to use slower computers then the n900	12:14
sivang	X-Fade: how can I increase RAM?	12:15
sivang	mSD?	12:15
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X-Fade	sivang: You can't ;)	12:15
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rabbitear	I'm useless at finding things that are wrong..	12:15
sivang	and watching a film, is always jerky until about 10 minutes of playing	12:15
sivang	rabbitear: I was a QA for too lonng.	12:15
sivang	rabbitear: even when I'm developing, I am finding bugs.	12:15
sivang	jynks!	12:16
sivang	:-)	12:16
rabbitear	sivang: mencoder will tone down your videos for you	12:16
rabbitear	sivang: you can even do it on the device..	12:16
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sivang	rabbitear: what does that mean? (no native english speaking here)	12:16
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sivang	tone == color tone?	12:17
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rabbitear	sivang: you run a choppy hog video throw a ... like converter ... and get something that is completely playable	12:17
rabbitear	sivang: you make it easier for the n900 to play	12:17
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sivang	rabbitear: but why does the iPhone need not this to play vidoes properly?	12:18
rabbitear	sivang: high speed == tone in that case	12:18
sivang	rabbitear: it's not using ATOM right?	12:18
sivang	(iphone)	12:18
rabbitear	sivang: resource hog -- some videos are	12:18
rabbitear	no	12:18
sivang	okay	12:18
sivang	cool	12:18
sivang	noted	12:18
pupnik	you think a "choppy hog" is parseable by a non-english native?	12:19
pupnik	'slow'	12:19
sivang	pupnik: the hog was enough	12:19
sivang	:)	12:19
sivang	choppy got EPARSE for me	12:19
rabbitear	the point got across	12:19
sivang	indeed	12:19
rabbitear	done.	12:19
rkc	is there any refresh method for GtkWidget?	12:19
sivang	rabbitear: .redraw something	12:19
sivang	rkc: ^^^	12:19
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Whitedeath	welcome	12:20
rkc	sivang: I want to redraw my selector widget after adding elements dynamically	12:21
rkc	it gets refreshed only when i select some item in the selector	12:21
sivang	rkc: listen to the event	12:21
sivang	rkc: then	12:21
sivang	rkc: you can listen to the adding/removing event, and respond accordingly	12:22
rkc	but there is not addition event that can be listened	12:22
sivang	rkc: IIRC the GTK selector widget fires those events.	12:22
rkc	ok.. even if i can catch those events.. how to command to redraw?	12:23
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lardman	Jaffa: that email did get through btw	12:24
lardman	the previous one	12:24
rkc	hildon-touch-selector has only one signal "changed", thats been fired when we click on the item..	12:24
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sivang	rkc: well, you can subclass it and create an improved widget that will fire the events.	12:25
sivang	rkc: http://www.gtk.org/tutorial1.2/gtk_tut-22.html	12:25
rkc	thanks.. taht might help me	12:27
sivang	rkc: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/GtkWidget.html#gtk-widget-queue-draw-area	12:28
sivang	rkc: you on fremantel ?	12:28
wazd	X-Fade: ah, the Savior is here! :D	12:28
rkc	sivang: yes	12:28
sivang	rkc: okay	12:28
* sivang -> lunch		12:29
rkc	sivang: I maed a small work around.. which helped me..	12:29
rkc	whenever a new item is added i will set that item as active.. (simulating the user selection), this fires an event "changed"..	12:30
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rkc	on those signal handling the widget has been drawn properly	12:30
sivang	rkc: make sure this is not incurring overheard. I've seen cases where it did.	12:30
sivang	rkc: test it on the device when other tasks are running before you release it	12:30
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rkc	yeah.. of course it may be.. but as long as i am not doing much on the slot i hope its fine	12:30
rkc	sivang: sure	12:31
rkc	i am just a learner.. so its really far from releasse.. but ur point is really valid..	12:31
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sivang	rkc: cool :)	12:42
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timeless_mbp	GeneralAntilles / Jaffa / X-Fade : help	12:48
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FIQ	Hm	12:51
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adam	good morning	12:51
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FIQ	good morning	12:51
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X-Fade	Jaffa: ping?	12:59
rabbitear	pongish	13:02
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Fatal	frals: sorry to poke you, but couldn't find anyone else, do you have problems with internet over 3g on your tele2 sim?	13:16
Fatal	or anyone know of any issues regarding mobile internet after 1.1 update?	13:16
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Gadgetoid_mbp	Nokia Ovi Press event, 21st January, they're claiming "big new" ... interesting	13:16
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SpeedEvil	Wallpapers with lots of titties!	13:17
Gadgetoid_mbp	Haha	13:17
SpeedEvil	Official nokia onws!	13:17
Laiska	mmm, titties	13:17
range	Hmmm. All those Beachbabe themes seem to have gone from the ovi store.	13:18
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SpeedEvil	I hope it's actual useful stuff tho	13:18
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Gadgetoid_mbp	likewise, although I will not be attending	13:18
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Myrtti	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Tit	13:18
SpeedEvil	For example turn by turn, or a compatibility layer.	13:18
* SpeedEvil has some in the garden.		13:19
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Gadgetoid_mbp	It's bound to be something generally relating to Ovi, like several new developers/publishers onboard	13:19
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SpeedEvil	yeah.	13:20
lardman	SpeedEvil: working repos?	13:20
SpeedEvil	media content.	13:21
SpeedEvil	lardman: don't be silly. Way too radical.	13:21
lardman	true	13:21
Stskeeps	Gadgetoid_mbp: maybe that they fixed the SNAFU of paid apps possible to apt-get	13:22
lardman	hmm, even if that's fixed, how do you stop people from packaging up an installed app?	13:23
Caesium	with lawyers ;)	13:23
SpeedEvil	Add hidden signatures in the binaries	13:23
lardman	what does that do?	13:24
lardman	doesn't stop it running I assume	13:24
Remosi	Magical Crypto Pixie Dust.... Crypto can fix all our security problems.... right?	13:24
lardman	ah, pixies, always the answer	13:24
SpeedEvil	lardman: let you trace who shared the app	13:25
lardman	yeah I suppose so	13:25
Remosi	Does this mean that all the paid apps are going to run their own updaters? Are our status areas going to look like (!) ()) (!) (!) (!) (!) /!\ (!) with all the apps that want us to upgrade?	13:25
Remosi	bonus points if they all blink on different periods	13:26
Remosi	giving a neat disco effect	13:26
lardman	and different colours ;)	13:26
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Shadikka	LED goes pink blue yellow green pink orange white rinse repeat.	13:27
Remosi	Will at least one of them ignore your settings and decide to download a 2GB update over GPRS while you happen to be roaming?	13:27
Shrik3	wouldn't be fun otherwise	13:28
* alterego yawns		13:28
Remosi	Shrik3, We need to make sure we give end users an /authentic/ computing experience	13:28
Shrik3	the Nokia experiance	13:29
Stskeeps	Remosi: i think they'll just settle for token repo like things	13:29
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Shrik3	experience even	13:29
Remosi	Stskeeps, that'd be nice, apt is /awesome/, and it's even more awesome having it on a phone	13:29
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wazd	http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/h/hildon-theme-marina/hildon-theme-marina_0.95_all.deb <- go test everybody!	13:30
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niekt0	Fatal> I have	13:38
inz	the double-powerkey-lock is pretty handy	13:38
inz	but	13:38
inz	oops	13:38
niekt0	btw: Vote for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7972, it's blocking bug	13:39
povbot`	Bug 7972: Kernel in PR1.1 build-depends on fiasco-gen which is nowhere to be found	13:39
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xorAxAx	niekt0: how do i build a single kernel module for the device?	13:43
SpeedEvil	look for the jebba kernel thingy - it may have hte module yuou want	13:43
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xorAxAx	SpeedEvil: indeed	13:44
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Stskeeps	lo javispedro	13:46
javispedro	hi Stskeeps!	13:46
niekt0	xorAxAx > i build my module in SDK, according to howto in wiki. (but it was pain). Jebbas howto seems to be more actual.	13:46
javispedro	just wanting to ping you :)	13:46
javispedro	hows the white textures issue?	13:46
javispedro	Stskeeps^^	13:47
Stskeeps	javispedro: hmm, think i integrated the patch and i can't recall having problems	13:47
javispedro	the last one (testing the byte_order flag)?	13:47
Stskeeps	yeah	13:47
javispedro	good	13:47
javispedro	:) wouldn't want to cause any other regression	13:48
Jaffa	X-Fade: pong	13:48
X-Fade	Jaffa: Requested dpkg update in PR1.2 devkit. Marcell will ask around if that is possible.	13:50
javispedro	oh, that's nice	13:50
javispedro	though my condolences to the one that will battle sbox's devkit template	13:50
Stskeeps	indeed	13:51
Stskeeps	may god have mercy on his soul	13:51
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X-Fade	Well, sdk dpkg is up to date. And it works if you upgrade, so I don't see a big problem for the devkit.	13:52
X-Fade	Other than politics :D	13:52
Stskeeps	X-Fade: the problem is that devkit is riddled with weird SB patches	13:52
Stskeeps	and dpkg is overriden by devkit	13:52
X-Fade	Stskeeps: Indeed.	13:52
Stskeeps	i have done it once but i almost went mad	13:52
Jaffa	X-Fade: Cool, ta	13:53
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Jaffa	X-Fade: Good weekend? ;-)	13:53
X-Fade	Jaffa: Not really :(	13:54
X-Fade	Ruined my weekend nicely.	13:54
andre__	how long does it take until a new blogpost is shown on http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ ? asking because my last one never appeared, and I'd at least like to see mine form this morning.	13:56
Stskeeps	andre__: what hosting provider do you have?	13:56
Stskeeps	for the blog	13:56
andre__	Stskeeps, blogs.gnome.org	13:57
X-Fade	andre__: import runs at :30 each hour.	13:57
andre__	X-Fade, then something is wrong.	13:57
Stskeeps	andre__: if there's a non-UTC timestamp on the RSS, planet will be sorting it as if the TS was UTC	13:57
Stskeeps	but hmm, can't seem to find it earlier	13:58
andre__	http://maemo.org/news//planet-maemo/category/feed:dc20fa196db95934cf422cacd1cd8471/ is missing my last two posts.	13:58
Stskeeps	andre__: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=479671 is an excellent illustration of misinformation btw :P	13:58
andre__	looks like it definitely has a UTC timestamp.	13:58
Stskeeps	(people are freaking out cos there's plain text passwords)	13:59
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xorAxAx	jebba: can you update your modules for the PR1.1?	13:59
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Remosi	Hrm, my N900 since the firmware updates seems to make random, quiet sounds. I think it's trying to tell me it's just connected to an IM service	14:02
Remosi	but there are no banners when it does so	14:02
X-Fade	andre__: It gets an error when parsing your feed.	14:02
Remosi	anyone know what it is?	14:02
pupnik	http://maemo.org/packages/view/catorise/ Stskeeps X-Fade can we get a link from package page to voting page?	14:02
range	wazd: Nice clean one.	14:02
range	Me likes	14:02
Fatal	niekt0: interesting, did it stop working post 1.1 upgrade? I mostly use it on wlan at work, so didn't notice it until yesterday when I wasn't near a AP :/	14:02
andre__	X-Fade, any more verbose info?	14:03
X-Fade	andre__: Your feed is broken.	14:03
andre__	fuck. why? :)	14:03
X-Fade	andre__: http://validator.w3.org/feed/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.gnome.org%2Faklapper%2Fcategory%2Fcomputer%2Fmaemo%2Ffeed%2Frss%2F	14:03
X-Fade	andre__: Escape & ;)	14:03
andre__	garrrrr	14:04
andre__	thanks	14:04
andre__	so if I fix that one, my posts will automatically show up? let's try	14:04
mst	andre__: that's so easy to miss.	14:04
niekt0	Fatal> yop, i think it's somewhere in bugzilla also	14:04
mst	cos it works most places	14:04
wazd	range: any bugs?	14:04
X-Fade	andre__: I think so.	14:05
andre__	done. let's see. thanks so much for showing me that it's my fault :-D	14:05
Jaffa	pupnik: There's no voting for Catorise yet as it's not in -testing :)	14:05
range	wazd: No obvious ones, yet.	14:06
wazd	range: if you don't mind, can you post some screenshots for me? :D	14:06
pupnik	http://maemo.org/packages/ ahh there's a link there - good deal	14:06
rabbitear	andre__: I haven't been in the list at all, I'm been having too much fun with this n900	14:06
range	wazd: Some special things you are interested in?	14:07
rabbitear	wazd: we post the minds	14:07
wazd	range: well, desktops, calculator, call ui, browser and conversations would be awesome	14:07
rabbitear	wazd: not no simple screenshots	14:07
range	wazd: Okie. Let me see.	14:08
wazd	range: and onscreen keyboard :P	14:08
rabbitear	wazd: sorry your out of the scene, but thats fine	14:08
Fatal	niekt0: recall any words of the report? no luck with gprs or tele2 so far	14:08
rabbitear	wazd: I'm steeling credit card numbers on my n900	14:09
rabbitear	wazd: what are you doing?	14:09
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Stskeeps	rabbitear: are you high?	14:09
rabbitear	:) I'm just kidding	14:09
rabbitear	but I'm not in a position to take any shots	14:10
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niekt0	Fatal> hmm, cannot find it, I thing it was something with 3G, or 2G	14:11
rabbitear	MaxFi	14:11
frals	Fatal: nope, no problems, just got dropped of the cell network yday and after reboot i got a service message with new settings (which i rejected)	14:11
niekt0	Fatal> Maybe its worth creating new one	14:11
rabbitear	yes Stskeeps just don't say much	14:12
fatal^	Fatal: tele2 works perfectly for me.	14:13
xorAxAx	Jaffa: now that you are using translated labels, the german ones are truncated	14:13
range	wazd: SMS/Mail notifications are too dark.	14:13
xorAxAx	Jaffa: because they are too long	14:13
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range	wazd: Let me wait for a new one.	14:13
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rabbitear	its just in the bodies they are too long	14:13
rabbitear	they can be read too	14:14
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niekt0	hm, something like whereis would be really usefull for n900	14:16
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Stskeeps	morning VDVsx	14:17
VDVsx	morning Stskeeps	14:17
rabbitear	I can't write appications of my own because I am afaird of doing work... the management	14:18
* VDVsx is lost in the mail :(		14:18
Stskeeps	VDVsx: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41092 if you want a distraction :P (proposal about project management sw for maemo.org)	14:18
Jaffa	xorAxAx: Same for "Location & Navigation" in en_GB	14:18
rabbitear	we rather just tell somebody what to do...	14:18
rabbitear	then anything do it	14:19
xorAxAx	Jaffa: ok	14:19
mst	rabbitear: s/we/humans/ and your statement still stands.	14:19
rabbitear	and management is people too	14:19
X-Fade	Jaffa: Lctn & nvgtn ;)	14:19
Jaffa	xorAxAx: Not sure how best to approach it. 1) Probably should be a hildon-desktop bug that it doesn't wrap; 2) pending that, have own set of shorter translations? But "short label" is an anethema to de_DE ;-)	14:19
range	Ummm.	14:19
VDVsx	Stskeeps, oh, I started a tool with some friends at University, a basecamp clone :p	14:19
range	How do I enable the onscreen keyboard?	14:19
rabbitear	as a selfish one tho, if you wanna talk	14:19
mst	range: it's in settings	14:19
mst	range: text input or something	14:20
rabbitear	it is in the settings range	14:20
Stskeeps	VDVsx: interesting	14:20
rabbitear	its kinda annoying tho...	14:20
rabbitear	I tried that...	14:20
rabbitear	a first its cool tho..	14:20
range	wazd: No screenshot from that - I cannot press CTRL-Shift-P on it :)	14:22
bigbrovar	is anyone having problem with upnp videos? it was working fine for me before the PR 1.1 software update	14:22
wazd	range: heh)	14:22
bigbrovar	sound plays fine but video is missing :S	14:23
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rabbitear	I always say you need to read the man page of mencoder	14:23
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rabbitear	but what do I know	14:23
rabbitear	whats the 1080p bandwidth? thats pretty smart of you to push it thru a cell phone	14:24
rabbitear	you da man	14:24
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X-Fade	rabbitear: Something like 8GB/hour ;)	14:25
* javispedro notes tablets-dev is up and downloads everything		14:25
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Fatal	frals / fatal^: and the only setting you guys have is "internet.tele2.se" right? no proxy or other thing like that	14:26
frals	Fatal: proxy 130.244.196.90:8080	14:27
rabbitear	thats like saying my cell is better then that computer on your desk, rich kid with the pool	14:27
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rabbitear	in networking we work from the inside ... not the imagination on the outside	14:28
rabbitear	everything happens from within	14:28
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VDVsx	Stskeeps, I like the idea, but the system has to be very simple and also you will need some 'global leader's for the system :)	14:29
Stskeeps	:nod: it has to be very simple for anyone to understand the concept, yeah	14:30
rabbitear	VDVsx: sorry I'm not one of them, we just drink alot	14:30
rabbitear	VDVsx: go do your own works	14:30
rabbitear	VDVsx: not interest	14:30
VDVsx	rabbitear, ??	14:31
rabbitear	VDVsx: don't say anything meaning less	14:31
Stskeeps	VDVsx: the problem will really be who's the leaders and if it will be seen things can work without them	14:31
Fatal	frals: hmm, ok, didn't use to need that (nor did it make a difference now) will try to debug further later, thanks	14:31
Stskeeps	rabbitear: next hypothesis, are you drunk?	14:31
rabbitear	no	14:32
rabbitear	Stskeeps: not really	14:32
rabbitear	but I can't lie	14:32
rabbitear	I think that is a great compliment	14:32
VDVsx	rabbitear, are you on drugs ? :D	14:32
rabbitear	but the action shouldn't be thought about unless there is comment on the 'action'	14:32
rabbitear	no VDVsx stop that	14:33
VDVsx	I'm lost	14:33
rabbitear	VDVsx: I'm commenting on what your saying	14:33
rabbitear	VDVsx: your commenting on what happening no	14:34
javispedro	clutter/eglx/clutter-stage-egl.c: Changed depth to 24 bits. O.o	14:34
Stskeeps	javispedro: where did you see that?	14:34
VDVsx	rabbitear, I'm commenting about a project manager tool for small community projects :D	14:34
javispedro	Stskeeps: maemo clutter	14:34
javispedro	pr1.1	14:34
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rabbitear	VDVsx: how would you know?	14:35
Stskeeps	javispedro: they did RGBA in the past	14:35
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rabbitear	well this community got some fixing to do	14:36
rabbitear	things like VDVsx	14:36
rabbitear	saying what he mean	14:36
VDVsx	Stskeeps, probably the leaders will be more like moderators, since the projects should be organized by the team working on them	14:36
javispedro	Stskeeps: ah, well.	14:37
RST38h	moo javispedro	14:37
Stskeeps	VDVsx: :nod: like removing trash projects etc	14:37
VDVsx	Stskeeps, exactly	14:37
javispedro	morning RST	14:37
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VDVsx	RST38h, morning :)	14:38
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* RST38h moos at VDVsx evilly		14:38
rabbitear	see you laters	14:38
Stskeeps	VDVsx: and the usual user management stuff, if someone just jumps at any project they see fit but never contributes	14:38
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VDVsx	Stskeeps, are you familiar with basecamp ? (proprietary but damn simple)	14:39
rabbitear	thats a true rule	14:39
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Stskeeps	VDVsx: yeah i am	14:40
Stskeeps	VDVsx: a community is sometimes inverted though, a lot of unknowns / people without specific job descriptions	14:40
Stskeeps	but with abilities that could fit possible roles	14:40
rabbitear	and like 10 percent actually fit the roles in real life	14:41
rabbitear	anywayz, its also important to state who you is...	14:41
rabbitear	which I'm just a damn drunk C programmer	14:41
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VDVsx	Stskeeps, true, probably there's no tools for that :p	14:42
rabbitear	there's an iphone app for that VDVsx	14:43
Stskeeps	VDVsx: think we'll start implementing like it for Mer at least.. and see how it goes	14:43
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rabbitear	happy holidays VDVsx	14:45
VDVsx	rabbitear, thanks, same for you:)	14:45
rabbitear	:)	14:45
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range	wazd: See /query	14:47
VDVsx	Stskeeps, Stskeeps, free basecamp alternative: http://www.getrancho.com/ I'm out of the project atm, but jrocha can help if you see any potential in the tool :)	14:48
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VDVsx	double tab :D	14:48
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X-Fade	/deop VDVsx ;)	14:48
smaug	Does anyone happen to know bug # for the email client slowness?	14:48
* smaug is too lazy to search		14:49
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wazd	range: what? :)	14:49
Stskeeps	VDVsx: lookin'	14:49
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range	wazd: I queried you with an URL to the screenshots.	14:50
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rabbitear	don't be so hard VDVsx	14:50
range	wazd: http://oerks.de/~ralph/screenshots.zip - if you don't see the query.	14:50
range	Tell me when you have them.	14:51
rabbitear	scaring us, asking for help	14:51
wazd	range: yeah, I have a very strange IRC client, better mail or something :)	14:51
VDVsx	rabbitear, what is your problem ? :D	14:51
range	wazd: Ummm. Tell me where :)	14:51
VDVsx	rabbitear, what I did to you ?	14:51
wazd	range: thx for the link, downloading	14:51
rabbitear	I'm just messing with you VDVsx	14:51
range	wazd: Moment.	14:51
range	I just accidentally removed them :(	14:51
range	wazd: try again.	14:52
VDVsx	rabbitear, please choose another victim :)	14:52
range	I hate screen in screen.	14:52
rabbitear	everybody needs a weirdo to keep them going	14:52
Stskeeps	VDVsx: looks good, but would probably have to be extended to be suitable for a large community	14:52
VDVsx	Stskeeps, it's open source, django(python)	14:53
rabbitear	last thing I worked on was vimfs	14:54
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rabbitear	you don't have the voice to say this is mine VDVsx	14:54
wazd	range: thanks a lot, looks very nice, some bugs are there though :)	14:55
rabbitear	my opinion and I go away now..	14:55
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GeneralAntilles	Jaffa, h-d bug/enhancement.	14:56
wazd	range: what do you think bout black text inputs btw?	14:56
* GeneralAntilles despairs for some sunlight in Florida.		14:57
range	wazd: I have no problem with those, when they fit into the theme.	14:57
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* rabbitear pukes up a storm		14:58
Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: Indeed	14:58
Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: It's a bug cos any application with a long label will suffer the same problem	14:58
* Stskeeps faceplams over the 'exploit' thread		14:58
Jaffa	This is why, no matter how whizzy an interface you can build with Clutter, trying to recreate your own widget set is bound to fail	14:58
Stskeeps	s/faceplams/facepalms/	14:58
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, that thread is awesome.	14:58
rabbitear	I don't think the iphone is that cool	14:59
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rabbitear	my mom has one	15:00
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rabbitear	and as usual, I think you froget the focus	15:01
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rabbitear	its about yourself	15:01
javispedro	exploit! ohnoes!	15:01
javispedro	the world is going to end!	15:01
rabbitear	not what other poeple do.	15:01
rabbitear	whatever	15:01
javispedro	I propose ROT13 encryption.	15:01
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zash	javispedro: no, thats to weak, use double rot13	15:01
zash	it	15:01
zash	it's inpenetrable	15:02
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rabbitear	allow rabbitear to remind you what for yourself means	15:02
rabbitear	you do things for yourself... you do work for yourself	15:03
rabbitear	for what you like.	15:03
javispedro	... and this proves why "bug confirmed by popular vote" threshold is too low right now	15:03
wazd	rabbitear: it's ok, you can breath out now	15:03
andre__	javispedro, hehehe	15:03
javispedro	just appearing on tmo is enough to get the vote count high enough	15:03
GeneralAntilles	javispedro, pish, ROT26 for twice the encryption powa!	15:03
rabbitear	alirght.	15:03
andre__	javispedro, feel free to file a ticket pushing it up	15:03
GeneralAntilles	Damn you, zash!	15:03
lcuk	jaffa every framework starts somewhere	15:03
lcuk	if you used that attitude, gtk or qt wouldnt exist either	15:04
zash	GeneralAntilles: ROT13(ROT13(data)) is clearly better than ROT26(data)!	15:04
lcuk	its not bound to fail, it just takes longer than you expect	15:04
GeneralAntilles	zash, clearly.	15:04
Corsac	hmhm, does one know if it's possible to have multiple “synchronized” calendars?	15:04
Jaffa	lcuk: yes, obviously there are exceptions	15:04
rabbitear	as long as I have to read.................	15:04
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rabbitear	isn't that funny you wouldn't have to read, if you did it	15:04
GeneralAntilles	javispedro/andre__, actually, I agree. I think we have the usebase that 5 makes more sense. . . .	15:04
* GeneralAntilles will let andre__ change all of the products if we decide to switch. ;)		15:05
andre__	i'm fine with that.	15:05
frals	wow, that exploit-thread is pretty awesome	15:05
range	Although I think of that as a bug.	15:05
lcuk	frals, link	15:06
* GeneralAntilles feels like Thanking! mass hysteria posts in that thread to drum up more insanity.		15:06
frals	lcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=479621#post479621	15:06
GeneralAntilles	We should just use Nokia Messaging to change everybody's IM and email passwords to "rootme"	15:06
javispedro	... or posting more luc picard images	15:06
rabbitear	I can't take the promise in here, I'm going back to the undernet...	15:07
rabbitear	were life is more relaxed	15:07
niekt0	hmm, MC si quite strange when using "shell link" to copy files to n900	15:07
range	rabbitear: You might want to come back sober.	15:07
niekt0	realy slow	15:07
GeneralAntilles	nokia-n900.com	15:08
GeneralAntilles	Awesome.	15:08
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: top categories	15:09
Stskeeps	"N900 VS IPHONE"	15:09
range	GeneralAntilles: I like the one about CTRL-SHIFT-O activating the accelerometer.	15:09
javispedro	first one uploading a patch to the bugreport implementing vigenere with key "pebkac" gets free tmo karma!	15:09
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Untouchab1e	So i have scratchbox and the SDK set up in ubuntu.. and I created a simple HelloWorld app in QtCreator.. I copy the app to scratchbox and try to run the app and it runs fine, but it doesnt use the native Maemo UI	15:11
Untouchab1e	what do I have to do to achieve this?	15:11
alterego	Untouchab1e: the native maemo ui is Gtk currently	15:12
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Untouchab1e	I can use Qt though, or?	15:12
alterego	Well, you are using Qt	15:13
cosmo	alterego: the Qt widgets are "hildonized"	15:13
alterego	Dui?	15:13
Untouchab1e	Right.. but what do I have to do?	15:13
alterego	I forgot what they're doing.	15:13
javispedro	Untouchab1e: do you use "run-standalone.sh" ?	15:13
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DocScrutinizer	GeneralAntilles: [2010-01-18 14:10:02] <PaulFertser> Hey guys. Might come useful for channel ops: /trigger -pubctcps -debug -regexp '^VERSION' -command '/mode $C +R; /wait 60000; /mode $C -R'	15:13
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Untouchab1e	javispedro: when? I just copy it and do ./helloworld	15:13
cosmo	Untouchab1e: they _should_ look native by default	15:13
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javispedro	Untouchab1e: "run-standalone.sh ./helloworld"	15:14
alterego	Oh yeah, run the wrapper script :P	15:14
javispedro	should look a bit better	15:14
frals	lcuk: hows helsinki? :)	15:14
DocScrutinizer	GeneralAntilles: seems to work on #openmoko and *-cdevel	15:14
Untouchab1e	javispedro: thanks, that worked nicely	15:14
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alterego	Untouchab1e: also, maemo integration is handled through DuiApplication and some other classes I believe.	15:15
Untouchab1e	aha	15:15
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: that kinda looks like being able to exploit that with just sending a ctcp version to channel	15:15
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Untouchab1e	I will figure out how to fix that when I deploy the app once I get that far.. I havent given much effort into figuring out how to deploy apps in maemo yet.. thought I would finish developing it first	15:15
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: actually you can	15:15
Untouchab1e	but QtCreator should cover my need for app development, right?	15:16
DocScrutinizer	still better than keeping the chan +R all the time	15:16
javispedro	Untouchab1e: I guess so for most use cases.	15:16
javispedro	s/use/app	15:16
alterego	Untouchab1e: for plain Qt applications, yeah, I think the Dui maemo stuff has some maemo specific things.	15:16
Untouchab1e	alterego: I think I should be covered for now then	15:16
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: also it doesn't help against bots that are in channel	15:16
javispedro	btw what does pr1.1 come with? qt4.5 or .6?	15:16
GAN900	DocScrutinizer, +r	15:16
Untouchab1e	my app ideas are simple but useful	15:16
SpeedEvil	My app ideas are complex, and useful and unimplemented.	15:17
X-Fade	+r is evil.	15:17
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: yes. but the current attack is with random bots joining	15:17
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GAN900	X-Fade, until the botspam stops. . . .	15:17
rabbitear	I mess up evil druing the day	15:17
X-Fade	GAN900: yeah, but that makes it hard for people to join.	15:17
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X-Fade	And I think that is even worse than the spam.	15:18
Stskeeps	active ops are more relevant though	15:18
rabbitear	nobody cares	15:18
GAN900	X-Fade, the spam killed the whole damn channel.	15:18
X-Fade	GAN900: hehe, yeah ok that is bad ;)	15:18
Untouchab1e	Is app deployment as difficult as getting started with it? for Android I just had to upload my .apk to Google and they handled the rest	15:18
DocScrutinizer	X-Fade: the spam makes lots of clients being kicked for flooding while answering the ctcp requests	15:18
ruskie	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/18/verity_stob_app_store/ <-- have fun ;)	15:18
lcuk	frals, lovely	15:18
rabbitear	mind don't care if your good, or evil, just likes to mess you up	15:18
frals	lcuk: :)	15:19
* frals goes back to listening to concurrent programming lecture		15:19
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lcuk	frals, cant you listen to it whilst doing other things	15:19
rabbitear	:)	15:19
frals	i can, but my experience tells me one thing or the other tends to get more focus, and more often than not the "listen to lecture" part suffers :P	15:20
* lcuk listens to lecture on "listening to serialized lectures about concurrent programming"		15:21
Stskeeps	frals: record it on n900 and play angry birds!	15:21
frals	lcuk: ;D	15:21
X-Fade	lcuk: Stay away from the doors, please ;)	15:21
rabbitear	I write crap on paper and watch these fools with samsungs try to take notes on the phone	15:22
lcuk	X-Fade, i bloody well did!	15:22
rabbitear	I'm like studying two things at once	15:22
X-Fade	lcuk: Hands on your back all the time :)	15:22
rabbitear	I'm missing 5 hours of class tomorrow	15:23
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rabbitear	and in the first one there is some hot chics	15:23
frals	best instructions "google amdahl's law, i wont explain it"	15:23
rabbitear	cool.	15:24
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rabbitear	why am I using a computer and not the n900?	15:25
rabbitear	because its out of batteries, ya thats it	15:25
* Jaffa is glad he's read to the end of the "Expoit!" thread		15:26
\|R	hehe, what a waste of time	15:27
rabbitear	:)	15:27
* SpeedEvil wonders if microb suffers from the same issue as FF		15:27
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Jaffa	Nah, so much fun trolling. It's much more enjoyable than "bah, you're all mailing list-using, IRC-spodding maniacs intent on maintaing your cabal" threads.	15:27
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Shrik3	"maling list-using" just went to the top of my favourite insults =)	15:28
rabbitear	your lives would be seriously boring with out major trolls	15:29
\|R	haha	15:29
rabbitear	so stop hating	15:29
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SpeedEvil	hmm it does.	15:30
rabbitear	I'm old	15:30
SpeedEvil	https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=505037	15:30
povbot`	Bug 505037: was not found.	15:30
SpeedEvil	for those that care.	15:30
SpeedEvil	Which is probably none of you.	15:30
* SpeedEvil confuses bots!		15:30
SpeedEvil	Not a serious bug - failing listing dirs with some chars in	15:31
rabbitear	<--- troll and a bot at the same time	15:31
Shrik3	Still waiting for the damn diablo repos to get up&running	15:32
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Stskeeps	Shrik3: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.2/ worksforme	15:32
hrw	re	15:33
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rabbitear	re hrw	15:34
rabbitear	like you chat before	15:34
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GeneralAntilles	Jaffa, the truth is never very much fun to read, is it? eg	15:34
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Stskeeps	rabbitear: didn't you say you were leaving before?	15:34
wazd	RST38h: haha	15:35
rabbitear	GeneralAntilles: you wanna bet?	15:35
wazd	RST38h: I think it's possible to make image background in conversations btw :)	15:35
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* hrw prepares for creating maemo5/system-upgrades repository		15:35
wazd	RST38h: thru CSS hack	15:35
rabbitear	I plan to say what I said yesterday	15:35
Shrik3	Stskeeps: I need the certified catalogue=/	15:35
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Shrik3	http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/dists/diablo/user/binary-armel/Packages.gz	15:36
xorAxAx	Jaffa: anethema?	15:36
Stskeeps	Shrik3: hmm	15:36
X-Fade	Shrik3: Working on that.	15:36
Shrik3	that one, which is still akamai'd	15:36
rabbitear	which is I'm not gonna thank you for nothing about you people making holes in the walls	15:36
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Shrik3	waiting for it =)	15:36
rabbitear	you need to stop that	15:36
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Shrik3	Just got my N810 on friday and I need exactly one package from the certified dist =)	15:36
Stskeeps	Shrik3: agps-ui? :P	15:36
Shrik3	topomaps-fi	15:37
rabbitear	you have no kinda for-thought of what is gonna happen	15:37
Shrik3	the primary reason I bought the damn thing =)	15:37
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rabbitear	you just complaints about what you know	15:37
Shrik3	the cheapest way of getting gps + topographic maps of finland = N810	15:37
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rabbitear	obviously it is not that much	15:38
* rabbitear opens up the window		15:39
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rabbitear	if there is one thrreat that you have during your mean peroid	15:40
rabbitear	in really is probably me friend.	15:40
rabbitear	good luck .	15:40
rabbitear	being mean	15:40
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* aquatix wonders whether he can make a backup dump of his n810		15:41
aquatix	so i can try whether a reflash fixes some issues I have, and if not, restore the backup	15:42
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DocScrutinizer	hmmm, failure on medication?	15:45
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rabbitear	agreed	15:46
DocScrutinizer	so maybe a good idea to visit you medical doctor	15:46
rabbitear	DocScrutinizer: are you a doctor yourself?	15:47
DocScrutinizer	no, I'm a doc scrutinizer	15:47
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rabbitear	DocScrutinizer: do you know this is an open conference?	15:48
rabbitear	why do feel like giving me some advice about doctors?	15:48
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rabbitear	DocScrutinizer: is it mean that is gonna have to be the judge of your acting?	15:49
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m3kyd`	hello	15:50
rabbitear	DocScrutinizer: do you know things in your life, or you just saying things to about people?	15:50
rabbitear	DocScrutinizer: recall what you mean	15:50
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rabbitear	hey DocScrutinizer your a dork	15:53
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* Stskeeps adds another person to his ignore list and sighs		15:54
smps	rabbitear, what are you studying ?	15:55
rabbitear	networking	15:55
rabbitear	ccna stuff	15:55
rabbitear	its lame	15:55
smps	rabbitear, just cisco stuff or ?	15:55
rabbitear	well we have to do student things like communicates too smps	15:56
bigbrovar	does any one else experience audio stuttering when listen to music and doing other activities esp connecting to wireless network/ or installing an application. This happens to me everytime and has gotten worse since upgrading to PR1.1	15:56
rabbitear	englishes and maths	15:56
rabbitear	but done with that...	15:56
range	bigbrovar: Only when the notifier throws out a notification when I got an SMS or a mail in my Inbox.	15:56
rabbitear	nobody is ever done	15:57
rabbitear	but done with them	15:57
Jaffa	xorAxAx: i.e. in German you'll never get a short label :)	15:57
Jaffa	Stskeeps: Oh?	15:57
rabbitear	thank god	15:57
range	I'm not seeing it during updates, really.	15:57
smps	rabbitear, good for you	15:57
rabbitear	thx smps	15:57
rabbitear	I'm pretty poor smps	15:58
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smps	rabbitear, go work something	15:58
rabbitear	anchorage, alaska	15:58
smps	rabbitear, get yourself a job	15:58
rabbitear	:)	15:58
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rabbitear	I'll be cool	15:58
rabbitear	smps: I do this	15:59
smps	what ?	15:59
rabbitear	myself	15:59
smps	you do any drugs ?	15:59
bigbrovar	range: I get it everytime am connecting to a wifi network or installing an application using the app man or sometimes.. its becoming really unbearable :(	15:59
rabbitear	I have mind of lust for everybody else	16:00
rabbitear	I kid	16:00
smps	bigbrovar, are you listening to online radio / stream ?	16:00
X-Fade	Jaffa, Stskeeps: There seems to be a new devkit in the works. We might have chance to see it in PR1.2 timeframe even.	16:00
rabbitear	well we do whatever	16:00
range	bigbrovar: Hmmm.	16:00
bigbrovar	smps: music stored on the 32gb harddrive	16:00
rabbitear	I'm kinda weird smps	16:01
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rabbitear	we don't like you	16:01
rabbitear	if you have cash.	16:01
smps	rabbitear, stop smoking	16:01
rabbitear	I should	16:01
range	Do tell. Can you be weird somewhere else? Far away from here?	16:01
rabbitear	I have to before.	16:01
smps	bigbrovar, can you check if any process hogs your cpu ?	16:01
Stskeeps	X-Fade: scary, but i guess there's some people who still knows how SB1 works inside nokia	16:01
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smps	bigbrovar, with conky or top in xterm ?	16:01
rabbitear	I love all smps	16:02
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bigbrovar	range: I can always reproduce it.. happens everytime, with the media player and even panucci the audiobook-podcast player ( which is actually worse)	16:02
X-Fade	Stskeeps: Hehe ;)	16:02
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rabbitear	:)	16:02
Stskeeps	morning andrew	16:02
rabbitear	brb... back onto where people need me	16:02
SpeedEvil	The compression options on jffs have changed - which may impact CPU usage when writing files to /	16:02
bigbrovar	smps: ok I will do that	16:02
SpeedEvil	in pr1.1 that is	16:03
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: changed? when? pr1.1	16:03
SpeedEvil	or maybe 1.01	16:03
DocScrutinizer	aah	16:03
hrw	http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/01/18/system-updates-repository-for-maemo5/	16:03
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Jaffa	X-Fade: Cool stuff	16:04
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hrw	X-Fade: so few packages will get upgrades in sbox?	16:04
rmrfchik	after connecting to desktop by usbnet, all cards unmounts	16:04
rmrfchik	have to remount manually.. annoying	16:04
X-Fade	hrw: I am only the messenger ;)	16:05
hrw	X-Fade: mkey	16:05
X-Fade	hrw: But devkits change all the time.	16:05
Stskeeps	hrw: first ogg support now updates to devkit, hell must be freezing over	16:05
Stskeeps	:P	16:05
hrw	X-Fade: the bigger fuckup is that sbox devkits are not upgradable	16:05
Stskeeps	hrw: they're not? they're just debian packages	16:05
javispedro	RST38h: new vu's eye in -devel	16:06
hrw	Stskeeps: 'ogg support' in harmattan. this can sound like 'in 2020 when no one will ever use ogg etc'	16:06
hrw	maemo@maemo-desktop:/scratchbox/users/maemo/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/lib$ dpkg -S /scratchbox/users/maemo/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/lib/libattr.so.1	16:06
hrw	dpkg: /scratchbox/users/maemo/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/lib/libattr.so.1 not found.	16:07
RST38h	javispedro: =)	16:07
RST38h	Installing	16:07
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Stskeeps	hrw: that's part of the target and not devkit though	16:07
Stskeeps	as in, rootstrap	16:07
Stskeeps	they are overriden with sb dpkg	16:07
hrw	dpkg: /scratchbox/users/maemo/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL not found.	16:07
RST38h	hrw: I agree on the system updates repo	16:08
Stskeeps	hrw: dpkg -S libattr.so.1 would be more fair	16:08
RST38h	hrw: Should have done this long time ago, too	16:08
AndrewFBlack	Stskeeps, any changes to theme template?	16:08
Stskeeps	AndrewFBlack: yes, optification and hilight fight	16:08
Stskeeps	fix	16:08
X-Fade	http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/maemo5-sdk/main/binary-i386/	16:08
AndrewFBlack	Stskeeps, nice highlight was last bug I had	16:09
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X-Fade	devkits get release separately from sdk.	16:09
hrw	Stskeeps: ok, my sbox VM (which is official maemo5 vm) has scratchbox-devkit-debian and scratchbox-devkit-maemo3 installed	16:09
X-Fade	So new versions show up there first.	16:09
TTilus	after latest system upgrade my ui effects have been really jerky and jumpy	16:09
Stskeeps	hrw: anyway, back to blog post, if you need to make your own SSU you need to make it trusted by HAM (there's a command for that)	16:09
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hrw	maemo3... was it chinook or previous one?	16:09
TTilus	reboot did not help	16:09
javispedro	$ dpkg -S /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/bin/dh_make	16:09
javispedro	scratchbox-devkit-debian: /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/bin/dh_make	16:09
Stskeeps	TTilus: probably rescanning your media	16:09
TTilus	Stskeeps: top shows nothing	16:10
hrw	Stskeeps: ssu? trusted? I just plan to make it available for people. so far installing modest worked with dpkg for me	16:10
TTilus	and this has been going on for days now	16:10
bigbrovar	smps: top showed 65% of cpu was in use and major culprit was pulse-audio, so I closed panucci audio player which was running in the background all this while and the cpu dropped to considerably, and the stuttering of the media player stopped whem am playing music. however I still get stuttering if am installing an app from the application manager	16:10
Stskeeps	hrw: fair enough	16:10
hrw	http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/scratchbox-devkit-debian-squeeze_1.0_i386.deb sounds nice	16:11
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smps	bigbrovar, check your ram and swap usage	16:11
javispedro	hrw: those devkits only contain parts of debhelper	16:11
smps	bigbrovar, reboot your n900 and try only with media player without panucci	16:11
SpeedEvil	bigbrovar: top can be misleading. audio playing may be for example running at 50% of CPU - but at 250MHz	16:11
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* DocScrutinizer suggests making load applet a mandatory bit od default install		16:12
RST38h	Not until it is fixed	16:12
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DocScrutinizer	fixed? wrt cpu clock to take into account?	16:13
javispedro	I do not run the load applet -- it is like the cpu temp sensors	16:13
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lopz	hola	16:13
bigbrovar	smps: closing panucci seems to stop the media stutter when I connect to a network. but I still get the stutter when installing applications right now am restarting the device to see if same thing would happen	16:13
AndrewFBlack	Stskeeps, I did noticed that on last build I did media player icons and colors didn´t match the template I put in there.	16:13
Arkenoi	i guess there is no way to send class 0 sms from n900?	16:14
Stskeeps	AndrewFBlack: hmm, don't know	16:14
rabbitear	Arkenoi: nobody cares	16:14
Stskeeps	AndrewFBlack: it will automatically dither i think	16:14
rabbitear	Arkenoi: you are actually gonna have to talk to your ISP for that	16:15
SpeedEvil	javispedro: It can be useful.	16:15
rabbitear	Arkenoi: you'll be okay	16:15
Stskeeps	AndrewFBlack: either way, wazd succeeded in making a proper theme with newest template	16:15
AndrewFBlack	Stskeeps, ok testing it now	16:16
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Stskeeps	AndrewFBlack: but we need to figure out what to do about let's say bugtracker in debian/control and icon for the package	16:16
Stskeeps	if we can make that simpler	16:16
AndrewFBlack	is that stuff we can add to script to put in	16:16
X-Fade	Stskeeps: Imagemagick cut a part out of the template and resize? :)	16:16
Stskeeps	X-Fade: maybe	16:17
Arkenoi	rabbitear, why ISP?	16:17
DocScrutinizer	maybe a basic signal for loads >3% should be integrated into bat applet	16:18
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rabbitear	Arkenoi: no reason its just a saying	16:19
rabbitear	Arkenoi: they don't know what they are talking about	16:19
rabbitear	so its like when I'm drunk I yell at the bar, INSTALL LINUX	16:19
rabbitear	even if I'm getting arrested and beat up, I'm still saying INSTALL LINUX	16:20
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rabbitear	I have love	16:20
range	Isn't there some op in here to stop that inane babbling?	16:21
jebba	X-Fade: can you set up an rsync server on the repositories so others can easily and properly mirror them?	16:21
rabbitear	you mean a cop range ?	16:21
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hrw	DocScrutinizer: I prefer cpumem-applet	16:22
rabbitear	I use it in school.	16:22
X-Fade	jebba: Not at the moment. There are lots of things to consider when doing that, it isn't easy.	16:22
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rabbitear	I use in at parties	16:23
rabbitear	I use it when we are eating	16:23
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rabbitear	I use it in interviews	16:23
DocScrutinizer	hrw: me too	16:23
Caesium	it's not often I exercise my ignore list :/	16:23
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rabbitear	I use it to put crap in ppls mind that don't know	16:24
jebba	X-Fade: what needs to be considered?	16:24
X-Fade	rabbitear: Please, try to keep the chatter a minimum.	16:24
rabbitear	k X-Fade	16:25
javispedro	jebba: i still believe that we need signed repos first. Also, now we have a whole set of people that have your repo in sources.list for no reason; any future mirror needs to keep "repository.maemo.org" url.	16:25
rabbitear	install linux	16:25
X-Fade	jebba: Updating from a different repo won't work	16:25
javispedro	and ensure that dns uptime is "good enough", of course.	16:25
X-Fade	jebba: It will complain about all kinds of things.	16:25
jebba	X-Fade: well, they dont have to be official parts of the infrastructure, just make it easy for people to grab.	16:26
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rabbitear	no	16:27
rabbitear	I'm management	16:27
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rabbitear	I'm gonna say what to do	16:27
rabbitear	even if I have zip ties on my hands	16:27
jebba	javispedro: what do you mean by "keep the repository.maemo.org" URL. You mean use that hostname?	16:27
X-Fade	jebba: But the problem we had was a problem on top of a problem.	16:27
rabbitear	I'm yelling, install linux!	16:28
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javispedro	jebba: keep the same repository url, by doing balancing at dns level -- like debian.	16:28
jebba	javispedro: ya, that's one way, but that would have failed this weekend, for example (since no DNS!)	16:28
X-Fade	javispedro: It does that with Akamai.	16:28
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jebba	it does that with espejo too heh (but cheap version)	16:29
rabbitear	make people happy	16:29
javispedro	the alternative, just giving extra repo urls to users, is awful IMHO	16:29
Stskeeps	X-Fade: the problem was the repository.* DNS messing up and hence akamai didn't work along with stage.* going down?	16:29
jebba	javispedro: how would you have done it? What you suggested above would have meant everyone was broken all weekend.	16:30
X-Fade	Stskeeps: No, we pointed to the wrong origin. So we ended up serving every requests ourselves.	16:30
Stskeeps	X-Fade: ah.	16:30
X-Fade	Stskeeps: Which worked fine, but then there was the SAN issue.	16:30
javispedro	jebba: well I had to fsck off for the entire weekend since I want to reflash and tablets-dev was down, so you're asking the wrong persons >:)	16:30
javispedro	s/persons/person	16:30
Stskeeps	X-Fade: sounds like a bad weekend indeed	16:30
bigbrovar	smps: rebooting seems to fix the stuttering problems.. really weird :/	16:31
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jebba	javispedro: so since you weren't around you can't answer? That makes no sense. You didnt have to actually be here.	16:31
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javispedro	jebba: I mean that I would have told people to wait.	16:31
smps	bigbrovar, it can be that panucci app has some sort of mem leak , an kernel keeps swaping most of the time	16:31
jebba	javispedro: lame	16:31
javispedro	jebba: this is not something that is expected to happen many times a year	16:31
jebba	haha	16:31
smps	bigbrovar, which results in "stuttering" or bigger i/o's	16:31
jebba	it's been true every day i've had my n900 (some sort of outage)	16:32
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javispedro	jebba: I know the irony of the situation, but still.	16:32
Caesium	javispedro: that makes it ok to have no redundancy? :)	16:32
jebba	it should happen zero times....	16:32
rabbitear	if I was ever in a postion to flight you people, you'd be laughing your ass off	16:32
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jebba	what's the irony?	16:32
rabbitear	I mean what I say.	16:32
javispedro	that the entire "not cheap" akamai load balancing "that is supposedly better than what you have in espejo" was unusable for whatever reason	16:32
bigbrovar	smps: could very well me, I might have to test it to be sure and try to file a bug against the app. It its been running pulsed since like 5 hours now so it must have eat up so much mem.. thanks very much for the help btw	16:33
smps	bigbrovar, no prob	16:33
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X-Fade	javispedro: Yes, because it wasn't used. Which was problem 1 ;)	16:34
rabbitear	lets order some nochas	16:35
jebba	we should have mirrors with UK Mirror service, ibiblio, mirrors.kernel.org etc. Then people can at least get the files. They will mirror for free. Just set up a rsync server for them to hit.	16:35
El_Angelo	were temporarily down?	16:36
El_Angelo	"were" ?	16:36
El_Angelo	it's solved?	16:36
Stskeeps	jebba: this is only trivial for extras{-devel,-testing} though	16:36
smps	El_Angelo, yes	16:36
jebba	El_Angelo: permanently down, temporarily up is more like it.	16:36
El_Angelo	\o/	16:36
lcuk	X-Fade, arms firmly in pockets during entry today	16:36
X-Fade	lcuk: Good!	16:37
jebba	Stskeeps: and sdk, tools, etc. Ya, just the repo i'm talking about.	16:37
lcuk	its leaving that will give me problems :D	16:37
Stskeeps	jebba: for the 'free' part, yes	16:37
jebba	yes	16:37
DocScrutinizer	yea tha annoying policy	16:38
Stskeeps	which you illustrated yourself isn't enough :P	16:38
range	jebba: But then you need a means to a) either have several ip addresses in DNS for a round-robin type of service or b) a possibility to give out a mirrorlist of some sort.	16:39
jebba	Stskeeps: it isnt ideal, since there is so much key non-free software needed in maemo. But it surely is a plus, as we can see by how many people used the quickly slapped together mirrors	16:39
range	Or tell people to change the catalogue settings, which isn't ideal either ...	16:39
DocScrutinizer	range: for b) see topic	16:39
jebba	range: ya, have a page listing mirrors.	16:39
jebba	like 100s of other distros .	16:39
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X-Fade	Well, that will end in maemo6 anyway.	16:40
Stskeeps	jebba: the third issue is that i (think) extras repo is enabled in pr1.1	16:40
range	DocScrutinizer: Yeah, that doesn't work.	16:40
rabbitear	jebba: you love the books don't you	16:40
X-Fade	As installing from another source will have all kinds of different meanings.	16:40
DocScrutinizer	sure, I know	16:40
RST38h	The co-founder of MySQL is hoping to convince Chinese and Russian regulators to halt Oracles planned buyout of Sun Microsystems, after grumbling that European watchdogs looked set to clear the takeover.	16:40
jebba	Stskeeps: yes, it is enabled in pr1.1. But that doesn't mean people can't se mirrors.	16:40
RST38h	Desperate.	16:40
rabbitear	.	16:40
rabbitear	you have whole books of dns servers...	16:41
rabbitear	I wanna read those	16:42
javispedro	jebba: it still means that now you have a shitload of people that have both repos enabled	16:42
RST38h	Anyone knows if Messaging plugins v.2.6.4 are ok to install?	16:42
* rabbitear throws up in the corner		16:42
javispedro	not to mention the issues this can cause with h-a-m's "trusted-domains" concept	16:43
Stskeeps	rabbitear: will you please be constructive or leave?	16:43
Stskeeps	javispedro: domains are on GPG key	16:43
rabbitear	I'll come back when there are smart people here	16:43
javispedro	Stskeeps: ah, so they all go into the "unsigned" bah	16:43
javispedro	s/bah/bag	16:43
Stskeeps	javispedro: nah, if you copy gpg files too, it doesn't become unsigned	16:44
Stskeeps	just a diff host	16:44
X-Fade	javispedro: And then they are not available for update.	16:44
jebba	javispedro: ok, i guess we'll just sit around and use crap then, eh?	16:44
rabbitear	your not a workable person jebba	16:45
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: /ignore failed? :-)	16:45
javispedro	jebba: it just means that you may actually be causing a lot of trouble to novice users for just a weekend of repos	16:45
javispedro	it shouldn't be taken lightly	16:46
range	DocScrutinizer: I fail to see why > 500 people should ignore one loonie, when a ban will remove that one?	16:46
DocScrutinizer	range: k	16:46
RST38h	Well, there is always an alternative method of removing loonies	16:46
DocScrutinizer	Im not oped here ;-)	16:46
RST38h	rabbitear: So, what are you wearing, kiddo?	16:47
rabbitear	DocScrutinizer: relax	16:47
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rabbitear	lol	16:47
kamui	yawn sauce	16:47
range	RST38h: Yeah, but that is forbidden in most countries.	16:47
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Stskeeps	jebba: we can all agree that this messup and when akamai is acting up is bad. but it is comparable to DNS fuckups at debian.org and vanishing mirrors/misbehaving mirrors. the situation is complex cos 1) SDK is placed on r.m.o 2) nokia-binaries is placed on r.m.o 3) in case of other mirrors they need to be professional or get pulled out of the pool. unsynchronized repos are a -nightmare- in both scenarios	16:47
tybollt	hmm	16:47
tybollt	haze/msn users?	16:47
rabbitear	RST38h: some jeans, a back coller...	16:47
RST38h	range: Only if it is used for sexual gratification	16:47
rabbitear	and a hoodie	16:47
Stskeeps	and hence akamai was used as they promise a SLA and we have a phone number for someone to call 24/7 there	16:47
rabbitear	no no no RST38h	16:48
RST38h	rabbitear: Feeling lonely today, ain't you?	16:48
rabbitear	RST38h: I ain't	16:48
RST38h	rabbitear: Wanna talk about it though?	16:48
rabbitear	RST38h: you doing the wrong mind set	16:48
jebba	Stskeeps: apparently the problem wasnt akamai, from what GAN said. Also, at least one problem was clearly something at nokia, since DNS was hosed too.	16:48
DocScrutinizer	range: If you like to suggest to GeneralAntilles to remove that burden from our ignorelists, I'll sure support that	16:48
rabbitear	yeah thats cool RST38h	16:48
Stskeeps	jebba: right, akamai has had issues in the past. in this case, it was a DNS screwup, which happens to the best of us.	16:48
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jebba	Stskeeps: no it doesn't. Not for that long.	16:49
tybollt	heh ye	16:49
RST38h	rabbitear: Soooo, let us start with that raBBIT, SHOULD WE	16:49
hrw	X-Fade: can someone update git frontend on git.maemo.org to give urls for cloning?	16:49
smps	is no one working @nokia over weekend ?	16:49
jebba	dns screwups are for minutes, not days.	16:49
RST38h	rabbitear: How come you took this nick? Got something about those rabbits?	16:49
rabbitear	you can't parse me RST38h	16:49
ptl	repository.maemo.org is back, right?	16:49
ptl	hi	16:49
smps	ptl, yes	16:49
tybollt	jebba: given the right amount of propagated TTL it can >:)	16:49
Stskeeps	jebba: either way, this problem wouldn't have been avoided we had repository.maemo.org being a pool of mirrors	16:49
ptl	but I can't watch flash yet, what package should I install?	16:49
RST38h	Parsing you will not be necessary	16:49
DocScrutinizer	right	16:49
rabbitear	Im happy your here tho RST38h	16:49
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RST38h	rabbitear: Yea but let us talk rabbits	16:50
ptl	I tried apt-cache search flash and there's only kmplayer	16:50
jebba	Stskeeps: which isn't what i was suggesting.	16:50
jebba	that's what javispedro was suggesting.	16:50
ptl	I can get to youtube but it says I don't have java installed	16:50
rabbitear	RST38h: I don't mean that much	16:50
tybollt	RST38h: What kind of rabbit? The pink vibrating kind? :P	16:50
RST38h	rabbitear: Please do not be shy, talk about rabbits. All of us are waiting!	16:50
jebba	actually, all i'm suggesting is a fkn rsync daemon so people can grab it easily at least.	16:50
RST38h	tybollt: I hope we will find out in a moment	16:50
ptl	please help this poor soul!	16:50
smps	ptl, what does java have to do with flash ?	16:50
rabbitear	RST38h: good morning	16:51
Stskeeps	jebba: then there's the issue of doing http://dk.repository.maemo.org which i may agree with. but there's the problem of trusting mirror maintainers to provide service constantly which isn't a trivial process :/	16:51
ptl	smps: java? did ? say java? I'm kinda sleepy	16:51
ptl	oh	16:51
ptl	I said java	16:51
smps	ptl, yeah you did	16:51
ptl	I AM sleepy	16:51
ptl	sorry	16:51
ptl	I am nuts	16:51
ptl	I mean flash!	16:51
RST38h	rabbitear: You already greeted me. Please, keep on rabbits.	16:51
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tybollt	RST38h: :D	16:51
X-Fade	Stskeeps: And trust them to not change anything.	16:51
rabbitear	RST38h: well my mom is looking on here too	16:51
matthew-	hey	16:51
smps	ptl, you should have flash preinstalled with phone	16:51
RST38h	rabbitear: So, rabbit ears...What do you do with rabbit ears?	16:51
rabbitear	RST38h: she'll be cool	16:51
ptl	I've been awake for what must be about 60 hours now	16:51
matthew-	are repos up again?	16:51
ptl	smps: it's maemo scratchbox	16:52
DocScrutinizer	yes	16:52
RST38h	Aha, very good	16:52
rabbitear	RST38h: she's into math	16:52
rabbitear	RST38h: a weirdo	16:52
ptl	had to install nokia-apps and nokia-bin	16:52
ptl	but still no flash	16:52
matthew-	DocScrutinizer: they are?	16:52
ptl	:(	16:52
RST38h	rabbitear: Will she be willing to talk about rabbits?	16:52
smps	ptl, go in browser and open "about:plugins"	16:52
DocScrutinizer	matthew-: supposed to be up, yes	16:52
ptl	ok	16:52
ptl	I googled all my way down the forums and FAQs	16:52
smps	ptl, and look if shockwave flash is there	16:52
rabbitear	RST38h: what do you think?	16:52
ptl	couldn't find it	16:52
ptl	only the default plugin	16:53
RST38h	rabbitear: I think you have been naughty, bugging people you do not know about problems they are not responsible for	16:53
rabbitear	your suppose make a judgement RST38h	16:53
jebba	Stskeeps: lets just start with a freaking rsync server so people can get copies, since doing a full mirroring system isnt likely to happen.	16:53
matthew-	DocScrutinizer: did the url change?	16:53
ptl	this 'osso' browser has an ugly name, 'osso' means 'bone' in portuguese	16:53
RST38h	rabbitear: But your mom does not need to know about that, right? We won't tell	16:53
rabbitear	your not actually doing one RST38h	16:53
jebba	that way at least other people have copies...	16:53
jebba	since who knows if nokia/maemo have good backups! for that matter...	16:53
DocScrutinizer	matthew-: no idea. why should it?	16:53
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RST38h	Rabbits, rabbitear, rabbits, KEEP ON THE RABBITS	16:53
rabbitear	RST38h: what do you mean my mom does not need to know about that?	16:54
tybollt	actually	16:54
matthew-	cause maemo.org and extras aint workin	16:54
matthew-	[A[Bdfdo	16:54
Stskeeps	jebba: make a sprint item / task and get it moving that way then	16:54
tybollt	I'd like to taste me a proper rabbit stew one day. Anyone had that	16:54
tybollt	?	16:54
RST38h	tybollt: Yea. Overrated.	16:54
rabbitear	RST38h: what kinda talk is that RST38h ?	16:54
tybollt	RST38h: ah ok...	16:54
* DocScrutinizer wonders how to extent /ignore to regex :-(((		16:54
matthew-	DocScrutinizer: cause it doesnt work foe nearly a week for me now	16:54
RST38h	tybollt: But makes a perfect dish to bring to US workplace	16:54
jebba	Stskeeps: i can make sprint items? heh.	16:54
ptl	so, how do I install flash??	16:54
rabbitear	you can relax RST38h	16:55
tybollt	RST38h: entirely politically incorrect - no?	16:55
RST38h	tybollt: Half the office will throw up once they find out who is for lunch	16:55
tybollt	:-D	16:55
tybollt	"poor bunneh!"	16:55
alterego	... "Tom Swindell Nokia N900 arriving tomorrow, I've not updated my facebook status in almost half a year in anticipation of this monumental moment. Woo ..." ...	16:55
RST38h	tybollt: yea, more or less	16:55
matthew-	i mean extras and maemo.org are not working...	16:55
rabbitear	RST38h: I'd hate that job	16:55
Stskeeps	jebba: yes, of course	16:55
X-Fade	matthew-: Then the problem must be at your end.	16:56
rabbitear	RST38h: your gonna need that help from females after awhile RST38h	16:56
ptl	please, someone using maemo's scratchbox, do a dpkg -S on your libflashplayer.so, could ya?	16:56
matthew-	X-Fade: are they working for you?	16:56
X-Fade	matthew-: For all of us, yes.	16:56
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rabbitear	RST38h: I don't need no help from females	16:56
javispedro	ptl: why do you think sbox comes with flash?	16:56
rabbitear	RST38h: what I do.	16:56
matthew-	damn	16:57
rabbitear	hugs RST38h	16:57
matthew-	ive got = could not resolve repository.maemo.org	16:57
DocScrutinizer	matthew-: check your catalog settings	16:57
rabbitear	relax mr. man RST38h	16:57
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ifreq	whats good music player instead of the default one?	16:57
julianol1ver	i see that 51-1 is out. when i attempt to upgrade from 44-1 i am told i need to use the PC suite. how does a Linux user upgrade?	16:57
X-Fade	matthew-: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/maemo.org	16:57
rabbitear	mplayer ifreq	16:58
smps	ptl, adobe-flashplayer	16:58
tybollt	julianol1ver: OTA	16:58
RST38h	rabbitear: You really want to know what to do kiddo?	16:58
ifreq	rabbit. for mp3 :0	16:58
rabbitear	RST38h: :)	16:58
rabbitear	no its too illegal don't worry about it	16:58
matthew-	X-Fade: yeah, got it	16:58
hrw	julianol1ver: we just ignore what it says and upgrade	16:58
ptl	javispedro: doesn't it?	16:58
matthew-	but i wonder why	16:58
rabbitear	its not free software	16:59
DocScrutinizer	damn. /ignore doesn't make it less annoying	16:59
RST38h	rabbitear: Ok, I am glad you guessed it right	16:59
ptl	smps: hmm, apt-cache policy adobe-flashplayer	16:59
RST38h	And did what was right	16:59
* RST38h grins evilly		16:59
ptl	smps: which repository does it come from?	16:59
julianol1ver	hrw: ahh.. so it is possible to use the Application Manager regardless?	16:59
rabbitear	RST38h: I'm a sick person	16:59
matthew-	http://repository.maemo.org/extras/	16:59
matthew-	doesnt work for me	16:59
X-Fade	matthew-: flush your dns cache?	17:00
rabbitear	RST38h: I been on shell accounts when I was a kid on irc	17:00
smps	ptl, downloads.maemo.nokia.com	17:00
matthew-	it works in a browser	17:00
javispedro	ptl: I believe not	17:00
rabbitear	RST38h: I'm not right in the mind	17:00
julianol1ver	tybollt: i'm not familiar with that acronymn.	17:00
RST38h	Hmm... I am afraid he has not exactly got it	17:00
DocScrutinizer	matthew-: check your catalog settings	17:00
ptl	hm	17:00
ptl	ok, thanks	17:00
hrw	julianol1ver: yes	17:01
* julianol1ver tries this		17:01
rabbitear	I know things that you people would actually puke and have the bad runs at	17:01
tybollt	julianol1ver: OverTheAir.	17:01
julianol1ver	cheers	17:01
tybollt	no	17:01
rabbitear	talking about even something as little as software is	17:01
tybollt	do not try OTA julian	17:01
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tybollt	the repo's seem to be down, that means it will fail for you :)	17:01
rabbitear	I was a kid before slashdot was a kid	17:01
hrw	julianol1ver: you need ~45MB free on / it was said	17:02
julianol1ver	tybollt: ahah. i will wait.	17:02
Jaffa	julianol1ver: And no packages which conflict.	17:02
julianol1ver	hrw: Jaffa i don't believe any are in conflict. i will check with dpkg	17:02
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AndrewFBlack	are repos still running slow updating stuff?	17:02
Jaffa	julianol1ver: Failing that, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware	17:02
julianol1ver	df -h tells me i have sufficient free space.	17:02
rabbitear	but thats cool RST38h I like fighting with you	17:02
rabbitear	:)	17:02
julianol1ver	Jaffa: yes, i am familiar with this page. cheers.	17:03
rabbitear	hugs	17:03
javispedro	AndrewFBlack: repos work fast and lean for me	17:03
julianol1ver	javispedro: same here, dialing from Berlin.	17:03
rabbitear	i noamlly only tell jokes anymore	17:04
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jebba	Stskeeps: ok, i'll make it a sprint item. I'll see how.	17:04
Corsac	hnmhn Tasks can only be reached through calendar?	17:04
matthew-	ok had to flush dns again	17:04
rabbitear	some of us actually figure out working isn't where its at all	17:04
matthew-	where can i find unzip now?	17:04
matthew-	as its not apt-get install unzip	17:05
tigert	extras-devel	17:05
rabbitear	drink and be weird with your friends	17:05
rabbitear	and insert pain when you can	17:05
rabbitear	things that mean something	17:05
matthew-	:)	17:05
rabbitear	:)	17:05
rabbitear	install linux	17:06
rabbitear	I know I'm been light	17:06
rabbitear	but its easy	17:06
tigert	matthew-: apt-get update maybe to see if your stuff is uptodate after the dns snafu?	17:06
RST38h	No he has not got it	17:06
matthew-	tigert: did it, thou i dont have devel added at all	17:07
chem\|st	jebba: why didnt you include the non-free stuff on your mirrors? non-free just means that the sources are non-free but does not mean that its non-free to spread	17:08
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timeless_mbp	andre__: re 4053, thanks	17:08
kamui	has anyone seen any bug reports about IM modules killing battery life?	17:08
timeless_mbp	kamui: IM=input methods?	17:08
timeless_mbp	or telepathy?	17:08
kamui	since I switched to pidgin, my battery life has improved drastically	17:08
rabbitear	well last time I got arrested, and they where putting me in the back, I was yelling install linux	17:08
rabbitear	and I will, you can stop me	17:08
kamui	lol timless, yea telepathy	17:08
jebba	chem\|st: non-free to me is things i wont spread.	17:08
chem\|st	jebba: so it is a sort of religion of yours?	17:09
jebba	though i'm also not 100% certain i could or not	17:09
jebba	no	17:09
javispedro	actually, there might be reason not to mirror the non-free packages	17:09
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kamui	timeless_mbp, literally, since I did the update to 1.01 and then 1.1, my battery life from 7-9am usually drops almost 20%	17:09
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chem\|st	the one you dont spread or arent allowed to are to pay for and thats not part of non-free	17:10
kamui	timeless_mbp, this morning however since I moved to pidgin and disabled those, 7-9, Im at 95%	17:10
kamui	the bar hasn't even moved	17:10
odin_	this pymaemo-optify 0.4 package does is still setup a load of bind mounts? (i.e. a big fat mess) ?	17:10
timeless_mbp	kamui: it wouldn't exactly shock me if some third party telepathy modules are battery killers	17:11
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rabbitear	timeless_mbp: what would be a money maker too	17:11
timeless_mbp	kamui: are you only using first party modules?	17:11
julianol1ver	tybollt: hrw is it safe to simply apt-get upgrade on the device? i see no meta package called 'maemo5' as per the app manager.	17:11
matthew-	hmmmmmm	17:11
chem\|st	kamui: timeless_mbp most of the modules come from a pidgin plugin so it might be telepathy itself	17:11
lizardo	odin_: yes, but don't use it , it is in extras-devel :)	17:11
kamui	timeless_mbp, the only thing that blows is that It worked fine before the upgrade, though there have been some updates since	17:11
matthew-	unzip is not in extras devel ;p	17:11
rabbitear	timeless_mbp: if you can do something that sucks up energy	17:11
rabbitear	like visual basic.....	17:12
tybollt	timeless_mbp: From my entirely unscientific testing enabling MFE is .. well I should say, disabling MFE gives you a lot of battery back	17:12
kamui	timeless_mbp, I think first party only, the xmpp client and skype	17:12
tybollt	julianol1ver: apt-get dist-upgrade	17:12
tybollt	julianol1ver: yes that is safe	17:12
julianol1ver	tybollt: oops, that's what i meant to say. good news.	17:12
rabbitear	well I'll tell you people... I don't need any money	17:13
rabbitear	at all	17:13
tybollt	julianol1ver: HOWEVER, as someone around here said... there's a bunch of extras in the app-manager which makes it a better choice than using plain apt-get	17:13
rabbitear	I'm as they say pretty good	17:13
timeless_mbp	tybollt: i kinda need MfE	17:13
rabbitear	even without asking	17:13
tybollt	timeless_mbp: me too, it is the reason why I have this devices (one of them)	17:13
timeless_mbp	so while it makes sense that MfE would hurt battery life, i don't really have a choice	17:13
julianol1ver	tybollt: the app manager seems broken for the upgrade here. it insists i make a backup and then offers no path back to itself.	17:14
rabbitear	but I'm from cambridge mass	17:14
timeless_mbp	tybollt: fwiw, there was an internal demo of a task-manager	17:14
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Corsac	what exactly do you use MFE for? outlook calendar sync?	17:14
tybollt	timeless_mbp: cross my fingers and wish for 1.2, huh? :P	17:14
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rabbitear	I'm in my 30's and no the logo freaks	17:15
rabbitear	in real life	17:15
timeless_mbp	tybollt: dunno, i'm actually on my way to talk to the MfE folks	17:15
rabbitear	hey I miss kendle square	17:15
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rabbitear	we lifed alot of stuff from them	17:16
rabbitear	300 baud modems	17:16
odin_	In HAM the message in the Updating tab "Updating 'Foobar' requires 172 kB of device memory" is that additional memory (i.e. the difference between the old and new, or is that the size of required total) ?	17:16
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rabbitear	cool terminals	17:17
rabbitear	pdp-11's	17:17
tybollt	timeless_mbp: Well, then, kiitos! :)	17:17
timeless_mbp	i'll thank you for not speaking finnish to me ;-)	17:17
rabbitear	we even stole taxi cabs	17:17
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tybollt	timeless_mbp: :D	17:17
rabbitear	they would be stealing cop cars by now	17:18
rabbitear	thats why I'm here	17:18
tybollt	timeless_mbp: Anyway it is of course very hard to meassure these things...	17:18
timeless_mbp	tybollt: actually	17:19
timeless_mbp	someone had a command they stuck in a bug showing a way to measure battery something	17:19
timeless_mbp	and there's a tool (hopefully in tools or extras) which does cpu state monitoring	17:19
rabbitear	I'm charging up my phone	17:19
tybollt	yeah	17:19
tybollt	obviously	17:19
timeless_mbp	-- don't ask me for names of things, i can't remember any of them	17:19
tybollt	but things such as screen brightness	17:19
tybollt	how many times you flip the keyboard	17:20
rabbitear	how many times	17:20
julianol1ver	indeed.	17:20
timeless_mbp	so, keyboard open/close is logged to syslog	17:20
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timeless_mbp	(seriously)	17:20
tybollt	timeless_mbp: heh so we can actually quantify this eh? :)	17:20
julianol1ver	you should be able to write a shell script that reads bits and pieces from the equiv of /proc/acpi on the device.	17:20
hrw	brightness... I new device which needed in-kernel stuff to limit brightness when battery voltage dropped too much otherwise cpu started to be unstable	17:21
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julianol1ver	writes out a log of all the acpi events and uses bc to calculate the mean load.	17:21
rabbitear	this guy has no lady friends	17:21
rabbitear	if he is so (seriously)	17:21
tybollt	who put this spambot rabbitear in here? :)	17:21
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julianol1ver	s/load/drain/	17:21
infobot	julianol1ver meant: writes out a log of all the acpi events and uses bc to calculate the mean drain.	17:21
timeless_mbp	tybollt: oddly, i think so :o	17:22
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rabbitear	we learn	17:22
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X-Fade	rabbitear: I'm going to check if you are a spambot. To prevent banning from this channel you should not respond for 5 minutes.	17:23
rabbitear	do it	17:23
Shadikka	Dun dun dun dun.	17:23
Shadikka	Wouldn't it just be easier to PM "him", or something? :P	17:23
rabbitear	I don't pm	17:24
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X-Fade	Shadikka: I like public warnings etc ;)	17:24
julianol1ver	hehe oops	17:24
Shadikka	Heh :P	17:24
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rabbitear	warming	17:25
rabbitear	stay in the goal	17:25
rabbitear	I do, but I take off	17:25
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rabbitear	we're bad man....	17:26
rabbitear	yeah right	17:26
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wazd	RST38h: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/h/hildon-theme-marina/hildon-theme-marina_0.95_all.deb <- test! :D	17:26
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tybollt	wazd: scrshots?	17:26
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rabbitear	go android	17:27
Myrtti	rabbitear: yawn	17:27
tybollt	I call spambot on that asshole... :)	17:28
Shadikka	A pretty boring one.	17:28
X-Fade	op #maemo X-Fade	17:29
X-Fade	lol ;)	17:29
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Hukka	rabbitear: Quick, run!	17:29
rabbitear	in real life too	17:30
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Myrtti	Hukka: funny that you said that. Some sense of irony in the world	17:30
X-Fade	That helps ;)	17:30
X-Fade	And now returning is not possible for him.	17:30
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X-Fade	I usually don't get annoyed by people, but this one really had a problem.	17:31
Creteil	hi all, this is my first try of xchat under my precious :-)	17:32
Arkenoi	could anyone please remind me a link to the thread where a way to make ussd requests from command line was discussed?	17:32
RST38h	wazd: Optified?	17:32
julianol1ver	X-Fade: looked pretty bot-like to me.	17:32
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X-Fade	julianol1ver: It didn't make any sense at least.	17:32
julianol1ver	indeed	17:32
RST38h	Arkanoid: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32878&highlight=ussd ?	17:32
RST38h	Arkanoid: also http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=445223	17:33
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thresh	in some bug also	17:34
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wazd	RST38h: yep	17:36
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ifreq	what was the cmd to refresh media library?	17:39
ifreq	or whats good alternative music player	17:39
KenYoung	Are the servers still messed up?	17:40
Creteil	Linux Nokia-N900-42-11 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Thu Dec 17 09:40:52 EET 2009 armv7l unknown	17:41
Creteil	Damn, this 'exec' command under xchat rewlz !!! :-)	17:42
tybollt	rewzl0rz!1111	17:42
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Creteil	16:43:31 up 1 day, 2 min, load average: 0.20, 0.33, 0.59	17:43
matthew-	ok	17:44
matthew-	anyone can tell me where should i now put the maps i downloaded for ovi maps?	17:44
matthew-	is it /mydocs/cities	17:44
javispedro	load average: 120.01, 121.29, 121.42	17:44
javispedro	lovely isp	17:44
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matthew-	?	17:44
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matthew-	and should i put it in the catalogue that is already there or create a new one?	17:45
Creteil	ok, under BitchX, '/wi' command was usefull, what is the equivalent under xchat ???	17:45
frals	matthew-: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2009/10/13/downloading_ovi_maps_without_a_network_c	17:45
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javispedro	you can use the ovi map loader too	17:45
matthew-	thanks	17:45
javispedro	it worked for me.	17:45
Arkenoi	RST38h, what package do i need for pexpect?	17:46
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Jaffa	frals: ta	17:46
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RST38h	wazd: Sorry, really do not like these glossy buttons :(	17:47
frals	yw (? :D)	17:47
RST38h	Arkenoi: No idea, never installed it	17:47
tybollt	huh	17:47
tybollt	glossy buttons++	17:47
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tybollt	=)	17:48
RST38h	wazd:unchecked checkboxes are blue for some reason, not gray	17:48
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alterego	Does the N900 have rfcomm and hcitools?	17:48
SpeedEvil	no	17:48
RST38h	wazd: Actually, no, unchecked checkboxes are bright white, checked are blue, very confusing	17:48
SpeedEvil	IIRC	17:48
SpeedEvil	10s	17:48
alterego	Damnit.	17:49
alterego	I'd really like rfcomm device nodes :(	17:49
SpeedEvil	hcitool and hciconfig - yes	17:49
SpeedEvil	sorry	17:49
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SpeedEvil	also - it must be able to do rfcomm	17:49
RST38h	wazd: The desktop-edit gear is corrupted somehow, shown in a light vertical strip	17:49
SpeedEvil	as you can pair an external GPS	17:49
alterego	Sure, I'll just cross-compile and package rfcomm and see if I Can get it to work.	17:50
SpeedEvil	Perhaps the gear has been stripped by overloading. could this be an indication of disk full? :)	17:50
RST38h	wazd: The blue color in scroll bars (like volume) is too dark, almost the same as gray	17:50
SpeedEvil	alterego: I mean - there must be rfcomm - in some incarnation on the phone.	17:50
RST38h	wazd: the top of the background is bright blue instead of subdued blue	17:50
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SpeedEvil	alterego: as GPS devices are rfcomm, and they work by default	17:50
koala_man	when you move a widget in the desktop conf mode, the sides show up as blue. why is that?	17:51
RST38h	wazd: the cross buttons, when editing desktop, are too thick, they prevent you from concentrating on actual desktop items	17:51
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alterego	SpeedEvil: good point.	17:53
alterego	Well, I'll be able to do some testing tomorrow.	17:53
hrw	andre__: thx for blog comment	17:53
andre__	hrw, sure - I think we all want a way to somehow get newer builds for testing for those people that want to live on the edge...	17:54
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hrw	andre__: s/live on the edge/have fixed software/	17:55
hrw	;d	17:55
andre__	hehehe	17:55
andre__	well, some fixes. and some new bugs ;-)	17:55
Arkenoi	how can i open an arbitruary url in browser from a command line?	17:55
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hrw	now... why my ISP decided today to break sftp/ftps ;(	17:56
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Jiyuu\|Work	hrm	17:58
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Jiyuu\|Work	i asked this here a while ago	17:58
Jiyuu\|Work	but i've read something today and wondered about that	17:59
Jiyuu\|Work	at the time i asked if its possible to install maemo on a phone that comes installed with android	17:59
SpeedEvil	Jiyuu\|Work: no	17:59
Jiyuu\|Work	i was tolled that would be pretty difficult	17:59
SpeedEvil	Jiyuu\|Work: In principle yes, in practice, no, not without several hundred-several thousand hours of work.	17:59
Jiyuu\|Work	but just today i read how people are already doing it the other way around	17:59
RST38h	Does not work the other way	18:00
RST38h	Android is pretty much a Java machine + some frameworks	18:00
SpeedEvil	The n900 is implicitly documented by the available maemo code.	18:00
RST38h	Maemo is a whole software stack	18:00
Jiyuu\|Work	http://guug.org/nit/nitdroid/	18:00
Jiyuu\|Work	so how come this is around?	18:00
SpeedEvil	Essentially all platforms android runs on are not nearly so well documented.	18:00
SpeedEvil	See above	18:01
Jiyuu\|Work	so it was simple because the n900 is well documented	18:01
SpeedEvil	Pretty much	18:01
tybollt	RST38h: just what maemo is... the definition, itrigues me...	18:01
tybollt	RST38h: debian + hildon = maemo?	18:01
SpeedEvil	Maemo = mer + closed source elements from nokia	18:01
SpeedEvil	pretty much	18:01
tybollt	I'd love to read up on the intricacies :)	18:01
SpeedEvil	~closed	18:02
Jiyuu\|Work	while trying to convert an android phone will be a lot of reverse engineering?	18:02
infobot	from memory, closed is http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages	18:02
SpeedEvil	Seethat tybollt	18:02
tybollt	yessir	18:02
SpeedEvil	Jiyuu\|Work: basically, yes	18:02
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kamui	Any kind soul care to invite me to spotify?	18:03
tybollt	sure	18:03
tybollt	email?	18:03
javispedro	mer = maemo - closed source, thus maemo = (maemo - closed source) + closed source, thus closed source = closed source	18:03
kamui	pm'd tybollt, greatly greatly appreciated! :)	18:03
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DocScrutinizer51	Arkenoi: see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-google	18:05
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Creteil	is there a command to see what apps installed from a particular repository ???	18:06
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edheldil	Creteil: no	18:07
jondy	hello.. got this problem that the n900 isnt charging ?	18:07
tybollt	jondy: from usb or wall socket	18:07
jondy	neither	18:07
tybollt	so you haven't connected a charging cable and you're wondering why it isn't working? Is this Monty Python flying circus?	18:08
DocScrutinizer51	id the device booted or off?	18:08
jondy	sry i meant i tried them both	18:08
jondy	off	18:09
tybollt	leave it plugged into wall socket for a while	18:09
tybollt	should do the trickl	18:09
jondy	it was over night	18:09
MaemohammadAG	jondy, try pulling it out and putting it back in	18:09
tybollt	if the battery is drained charing off of usb will usually fail	18:09
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DocScrutinizer51	renove bat. wait. insert bat. plug in wallcharger	18:10
AndrewFBlack	Why the F*** do people keep updating my theme from devel!!	18:10
jondy	tried that also	18:10
AndrewFBlack	sorry had to get that out I feel better now	18:10
jondy	is it possible that the battery is so dead that it doesnt even star charging ? :D	18:10
AndrewFBlack	jondy, yes	18:11
DocScrutinizer51	AndrewFBlack: fine :-)	18:11
AndrewFBlack	jondy, if you charging off USB I know it can be to dead to charge	18:11
Fatal	AndrewFBlack: what do you mean? (regarding theme)	18:11
DocScrutinizer51	that's why I said 'wallcharger'	18:11
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tybollt	sigh	18:12
AndrewFBlack	DocScrutinizer51, sorry people keep downloading theme from devel and complaining its not right :)	18:12
tybollt	all these "my phone's out cold, what now!?" is getting boring	18:12
tybollt	should we wiki this perhaps?	18:12
* tybollt contemplates		18:12
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jondy	tried everyhting in wikis, this is allways the last option	18:13
javispedro	AndrewFBlack: people take -devel too lightly.	18:13
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jondy	so.. off to buy a new battery then..	18:14
tybollt	again, make the device charge from wall socket - not USB and wait for a while	18:14
tybollt	if nothing still	18:14
tybollt	try removing and reinserting the cable	18:14
DocScrutinizer51	and wait again 1h at least	18:15
jondy	tybollt: come on i've tried everything im not an idiot	18:15
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tybollt	jondy: I did not call you an idiot, I was trying to help you (However derogatory my tone may have been ;). Buying a new battery now is probably not the fix...	18:16
jondy	well then battery can die completely, right ?	18:16
tybollt	yes but it is unlikely in a device that _can not_ be older than about a month tops (granted you don't have a maemo summit device)	18:17
DocScrutinizer51	it can. but it's highly unlikely you ran into that	18:18
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jondy	ok.. what about the musb socket... ?	18:19
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DocScrutinizer51	jondy: there are known issues with N900 not starting to charge in a normal way, on flat battery. And there are recommendations to cure that	18:20
tybollt	DocScrutinizer51++	18:21
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DocScrutinizer51	jondy: of course you might face any nasty kind of hw bug atm.	18:21
DocScrutinizer51	but it's more likely you ran into that known issue	18:21
jondy	hey, tried everything. it was running "oddly" after the uppdate. freezing, running slowly etc.	18:23
DocScrutinizer51	jondy: aiui one of the major characteristics of that issue is N900 will not indicate it's charging	18:23
DocScrutinizer51	jondy: then it's charging very slowly. and 3) it does this only from wallcharger	18:23
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X-Fade	yes, all nokias have a mode where they can charge really empty batteries before they do a 'startup' for proper charging.	18:26
X-Fade	As a proper startup would take more form the battery than the charger would provide at that moment ;)	18:27
Arkenoi	i am not familliar with python regexps, how do i write "take first line only"?	18:27
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DocScrutinizer51	X-Fade: thanks for shedding some more light on this	18:28
Shadikka	Arkenoi: If you want first line only, regexp isn't the best choice	18:28
X-Fade	DocScrutinizer51: Even my really old monochrome Nokias did this :)	18:28
Shadikka	I'd go for something like text.split()[0] or text[:text.find("\n")]	18:28
Arkenoi	Shadikka, i am configuring ussd-widget, so it probably is	18:28
jondy	is it possible that the phone thinks its still connected to a computer	18:28
Shadikka	If you really want regexp, r'(.*?)[\r\n]'	18:29
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DocScrutinizer51	X-Fade: so the advice would be 'hook up to wallcharger and wait. then wait even longer'	18:29
jondy	sry ment n900	18:30
Shadikka	Arkenoi: Do you need to just give it a regexp or a line of code?	18:30
DocScrutinizer51	jondy: if you removed bat as adviced, the phone for sure won't think anything. Even after you reinserted battery	18:30
tybollt	jondy: one thing I would try - whatever the situation - is yank the battery out of the phone	18:30
tybollt	put it back in	18:30
Arkenoi	Shadikka, regexp	18:31
tybollt	then try charging out of the wall socket for a while	18:31
Shadikka	Arkenoi: (.*?)[\r\n) should return the first line as the first group of the match then	18:31
jondy	ok ill try it once again. ->	18:31
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DocScrutinizer51	for a looong while. and don't care about wheter t shows it's charging	18:32
Arkenoi	it says NoneType object has no attribute group	18:32
Shadikka	Arkenoi: sorry, "(.*?)[\r\n]?" without quotes should work	18:32
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Shadikka	First I typoed the closing ] and forgot the question mark to make it not require a linebreak	18:33
jondy	ok. im getting a feeling that the usb i kaput	18:33
Shadikka	Badly coded if it gives that error :/ You should _always_ check if the re.match() or re.search() returns None instead of a Match object..	18:33
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DocScrutinizer51	jondy: why????	18:34
Arkenoi	Shadikka, nope, still get 2 lines	18:34
jondy	not sure but its litlle bit looser	18:34
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DocScrutinizer51	jondy: you harrdly even started to charge in the way we adviced at you	18:34
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jondy	DocScrutinizer51: hey i did this allready on sunday, everything u said here...	18:35
DocScrutinizer51	SpeedEvil: is usb receptacle also solder free mount?	18:35
Shadikka	Arkenoi: That's strange. What kind of input does it get?	18:35
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Arkenoi	~ $ ussdquery.py "*101#"	18:36
Arkenoi	âÁÌÁÎÓ 55.22ÒÕÂ. 18.01.10 14:23	18:36
Arkenoi	"ëïîôáëô.spb"	18:36
Arkenoi	exactly like that	18:36
Shadikka	hmm.	18:36
Arkenoi	i need fist line but i do need second one	18:36
adrian_	hello everybody, no one has installed maemo on a nokia e65????	18:36
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alterego	adrian_: not possible unfortunately.	18:36
alterego	Well, I actually don't think it's that unfortunate really.	18:37
adrian_	alterego, why's that? I want to go deeper in it	18:37
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alterego	adrian_: I'd forget about it.	18:37
Shadikka	Arkenoi: Alternative try: "([^\r\n]*)" without quotes	18:37
DocScrutinizer51	jondy: so maybe you're really better of to buy or borrow a spare bat somewhere	18:37
alterego	It wont ever happen.	18:37
adrian_	alterego, and android???	18:37
adrian_	I want a linux in my phone	18:38
alterego	No, nothing except series 60	18:38
adrian_	that's what I've got, sadly	18:38
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jondy	DocScrutinizer51: yes, that was my plan but someone thought it was a bad idea.	18:38
DocScrutinizer51	jondy: if only for testing purposes	18:38
alterego	If people could run Linux on any Series 60 device, it would have been done by now adrian_	18:38
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adrian_	I said E65, is E series, if I'm not wrong	18:39
DocScrutinizer51	jondy: if your usb receütacle is broken then you easily can tell it fails to function when you booted from new battery	18:39
alterego	adrian_: it is a Symbian Series 60 phone.	18:39
alterego	That is the operating system it runs.	18:39
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jondy	yes. ok thanks alot. battery shopping ->	18:40
DocScrutinizer51	jondy: yw	18:40
adrian_	alterego, ohh right	18:40
Arkenoi	Shadikka, thanks! it worked.	18:41
hrw	can someone at nokia fix that repository? https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/./maemo-launcher_0.35-7+0m5_armel.deb is 403	18:41
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: what USB	18:42
alterego	Anyhow, adrian_ you're more likely to get struck by lightening than you are getting anythiong other than the supplied operating system running on a Nokia symbian or even S40 based phone.	18:42
Shadikka	Arkenoi: np :)	18:42
DocScrutinizer51	SpeedEvil: the micro usb receptacle on N900	18:42
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SpeedEvil	ah - yes.	18:42
hrw	Preparing to replace mp-fremantle-generic-pr 2.2009.51-1.0 (using .../mp-fremantle-generic-pr_2.2009.51-1.hrw0_all.deb) ...	18:43
hrw	yes ;D	18:43
DocScrutinizer51	SpeedEvil: yes means solder free?	18:43
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Hukka	Is there any way to get some extra output from sb-menu? It just freezes today. Even after a reinstall.	18:51
Hukka	Alternatively, would someone want to compile libspatiallite2 for N900 :?	18:52
adrian_	alterego, all right, sadly N900 here is priced as a home	18:52
Hukka	adrian_: Homes are cheap, depending on your taste. Houses, on the other hand, are not :)	18:52
adrian_	Hukka, I probably meant house	18:53
adrian_	I live in cuba, guys	18:53
arachnist	http://www.explosm.net/comics/1924/ <\| rotfl, sfw (at least this episode)	18:53
hrw	http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/01/18/system-updates-repository-online/	18:53
tybollt	if you live in cuba - don't use linux... it's not free you know - better get something approved by the state censorship.	18:54
tybollt	(ref google vs china :)	18:54
\|R	Cuba hires russians to control their (smallish) network	18:54
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aep	is it normal that "updating maemo" takes forever?	18:59
hrw	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=480227#post480227	18:59
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greenfly	I have a feeling everyone is hammering the maemo.org repos right now	19:00
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xorAxAx	aep: yes, its very slow	19:05
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aep	glad to hear its not my device. just received it	19:07
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kamui	yay! abiword is available!!!	19:09
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kamui	now we just need gnumeric and my officelust will be satiated!	19:09
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tybollt	someone get that word-suite that comes w/ the phone running?	19:09
kamui	you talkin about documents2go?	19:10
kamui	blech	19:10
tybollt	ja	19:10
kamui	isn't that readonly anyway	19:10
tybollt	no idea really	19:10
tybollt	it tried to coerce me into paying for it when I tried it	19:10
kamui	no way, waste of $$$	19:10
tybollt	uhuh	19:10
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andre__	kamui, abiword? where?	19:11
xorAxAx	-devel	19:12
andre__	nice	19:12
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Arkenoi	does it really work?	19:13
Arkenoi	i tried installing it, does not seem to	19:13
Arkenoi	at least did not a few days ago	19:13
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xorAxAx	WM	19:15
xorAxAx	WFM	19:15
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VDVsx	oh boy,t he 14p discussion at TMO about closing the mailing lists, really shows the difference between the MLs and TMO	19:30
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lupine_85	So on the N900, what sorts of VoIP does it support in the native phone app? Can I connect it up to an asterisk server over SIP/IAX?	19:31
lupine_85	I've noticed it offering voice calls over xmpp, but I don't have any endpoints to test that with...	19:31
arachnist	lupine_85: it supports SIP	19:31
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smps	lupine_85, i used it with asterisk and its fine	19:32
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lupine_85	ooh, excellent :)	19:32
smps	lupine_85, search some posts on talk.maemo.org	19:32
lupine_85	means I should look at setting my own asterisk server up again, I guess :)	19:33
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type_t	<lupine_85> AsteriskNOW redhat?	19:36
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smps	type_t, its centos iirc	19:37
lupine_85	hidehide	19:37
lupine_85	debian has packages, that's good enough for me :)	19:37
type_t	# because of the GPL licence? i dint get it.	19:37
lupine_85	hopefully means I can connect to my work's SIP server, too	19:37
smps	type_t, ?	19:38
luke-jr	type_t: because RedHat sucks?	19:38
type_t	haha ok	19:38
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smps	http://blogs.perl.org/users/cpan_testers/2010/01/msnbot-must-die.html <- crazy stuff	19:40
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Jaffa	hrw: Your blog post is a very nice white screen for me...	19:45
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kamui	Still lookin for a spotify invite, if anyone has one they can spare	19:48
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hrw	shit	19:52
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hrw	TomaszD: hej	19:54
frals	TomaszD: thanks for your comment on fAPN in -testing - i do think that "fAPN" is enough in display-name though as it contains a description :)	19:57
* lcuk just realised frals wrote the first maemo component for fapping		19:57
frals	lcuk: doh! i realised that after i named it.. and well.. its a good name! ;D	19:58
tybollt	That's good - we need to have one of those too	19:58
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lcuk	tybollt, the accelometer can tell you how fast you are going	19:58
ivan4th	just noticed that my N900 became too hot. started top and noticed maemo-xinput-sounds grabbing 100% CPU. Had to kill it with kill -9 ...	19:59
lcuk	it can detect "sedate, strong, vigerous, omg it burns"	19:59
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SpeedEvil	hmm.	19:59
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tybollt	and then you can capture the entire thing w/ the camera - you know Nokia should get into the pr0n bussiness	20:00
user_	hello	20:00
SpeedEvil	pedometer with extra modes for other oscillatory excersizes!	20:00
TomaszD	hey guys	20:00
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hrw	Jaffa: and now?	20:00
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: lol	20:00
SpeedEvil	I would actually really like a pedo app. And otehr execrises.	20:01
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: audio peek meter?	20:01
lcuk	SpeedEvil, it should have a calory ocunter	20:01
SpeedEvil	Integrated diet managment too	20:01
hrw	TomaszD: fixed Modest does not use 'Odp:' anymore - want package?	20:01
lcuk	o_O	20:01
lcuk	counter	20:01
user_	whats the repo for extras testing?	20:01
TomaszD	hrw: I rarely send e-mail from my N900, I only treat it as a reader	20:02
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TomaszD	so no, thx	20:02
TomaszD	:)	20:02
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hrw	mkey	20:02
tybollt	the n900 is awesome for short emails	20:02
tybollt	like	20:02
tybollt	"I'm late"	20:02
hrw	tybollt: or 'me too'	20:02
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tybollt	"Still stuck w/ the hand in the vent trying to pick up that m&m that's been there forever- can you come get me?" etc...	20:03
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lcuk	tybollt, you lie	20:03
tybollt	hrw: Are you going all AOL on my ass? :)	20:03
hrw	tybollt: n900 with one hand is usable only for calls or hammering	20:03
tybollt	lcuk: Dang, how'd you notice?	20:04
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w00t	tybollt: lcuk already got that m&m yesterday	20:04
tybollt	>:)	20:04
lcuk	tybollt, one handed usage as hrw says :p	20:05
tybollt	seriously - I use MFS a lot and I can tell you it's S O much better on N900 than on E75 for instance.	20:05
tybollt	MFE	20:05
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tybollt	jaja	20:05
SpeedEvil	hrw: the on-screen keyboard is usable for short text	20:05
DocScrutinizer	while talking bout it: what's general opinion about a speech2text app for N900?	20:05
DocScrutinizer	anything in the pipe somewhere?	20:06
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: espeak	20:06
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: oops	20:06
SpeedEvil	espeak\|tac	20:06
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: other way round	20:06
Caesium	DocScrutinizer: could that also facilitate launching things by speech command? if so I'd hit it :)	20:06
Caesium	dialling contacts by saying name, yummy	20:06
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DocScrutinizer	all new Nokia phones have a very decent s2t. I fonly Nokia was willing to port that to maemo	20:07
DocScrutinizer	Caesium: exactly. works like a charm on N95	20:07
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hrw	SpeedEvil: you need two hands or place to put n900 to type one handly	20:08
SpeedEvil	hrw: it's a bit awkward - you can thumb it though	20:08
Jaffa	hrw: Still white screen	20:09
DocScrutinizer51	a lie	20:09
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Jaffa	hrw: If I bypass our work proxy, it loads though	20:09
DocScrutinizer51	this thumbed in even lefthand	20:09
N900evil	like this,,	20:10
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N900evil	actually you use it with finger next to thumb	20:11
SpeedEvil	or that's one way	20:11
SpeedEvil	it's annoying - yes	20:11
Jaffa	hrw: If you include Modest patches from bug 3700 and bug 2563, I'll be in :)	20:11
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3700 Put signatures not on top in replies (thereby not forcing top-post)	20:11
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2563 Please provide an attribution line for replying	20:11
SpeedEvil	with the device held in thumb and end two fingers.	20:11
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hrw	Jaffa: are they in upstream modest?	20:12
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: nah. N900 in my palm, typing with thumb	20:12
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Jaffa	hrw: NAFAIK, no.	20:13
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: luckily that's NOT portrait mode ;-)	20:13
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SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: my thumb may not be flexy enough	20:13
Jaffa	hrw: Despite the patches being maintained by the community, there seems to be no movement on getting them into Maemo Modest in the short term	20:13
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: gicht?	20:13
KenYoung	Jaffa, What's Maemo Modest?	20:14
SpeedEvil	an alternate vkbd would be nice for thumb	20:14
SpeedEvil	left and right thumb	20:14
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DocScrutinizer	err, s/gicht/gout/	20:14
SpeedEvil	no.	20:15
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Jaffa	KenYoung: The Modest which is shipped as part of an officially maintained and distributed and supported Maemo.	20:15
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KenYoung	Jaffa, Thanks.	20:15
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DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: well it's not really in my palm. more resting on my four fingers	20:16
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DocScrutinizer	slightly holding it with tip of middle and ring finger	20:17
lcuk	are we still talking about the fapmoter?	20:17
lcuk	fapometer	20:17
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DocScrutinizer	more about reverse ploish dvorak	20:18
DocScrutinizer	polish	20:18
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DocScrutinizer	;)	20:18
N900evil	ah i see	20:18
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SpeedEvil	That doesn't work - as I'm in bed - and I can't see the n900 likle that. held flat, yes it works	20:19
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hrw	Jaffa: both patches apply nice and sound like nice addons	20:20
DocScrutinizer	yeah will hurt your face when looking at it while laying in bed	20:20
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DocScrutinizer	and darn, you bet my IroN900 can hit hard	20:21
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SpeedEvil	I have tried nose-typing.	20:22
SpeedEvil	It doesn't really work well	20:22
SpeedEvil	If the front camera wasn't utterly crap - video gesture recognition of some sort would be interesting for pointer contrtol	20:23
Jaffa	hrw: Cool	20:24
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cehteh	didnt the firmware updated the frontcam issues a bit?	20:24
* Jaffa would also love it if Modest's editor actually fitted 72 characters on a line, but I doubt there's a bug for that - and I've certainly not seen a patch		20:24
simula	i haven't updated my firmware, does anyone have a link to a picture taken with the frontcam?	20:24
tybollt	SpeedEvil: that'd be nothing short of awesome... for deaf people, a realtime OCRish parser for sign language >:)	20:24
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cehteh	tybollt: just: who holds the device?	20:25
tybollt	cehteh: duuuh, it's got a stand built in :D	20:25
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SpeedEvil	It's better than it was	20:25
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DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: wow. sounds like a nice idea nevertheless	20:26
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SpeedEvil	gaze trakcing would be utterly awesome	20:26
cehteh	well just simple gestures like moving hand up/down left/right or so would be nice already	20:26
SpeedEvil	yeah	20:26
tybollt	cehteh: give the finger and have the phone interpret it as... well >:)	20:27
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DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: for that it will be really too crappy	20:27
DocScrutinizer	(gaze)	20:27
DocScrutinizer	simula: I dunno how to take pics with frontcam	20:28
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SpeedEvil	http://www.mauve.plus.com/front.ppm	20:30
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SpeedEvil	mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video1 -vo pnm	20:30
tybollt	ppm? :S	20:31
SpeedEvil	This is an image of my laptop screen, with it set to brightest	20:31
cehteh	thats at least much better than before	20:31
SpeedEvil	yes	20:32
SpeedEvil	by quite a lot	20:32
DocScrutinizer	"gwenview can not display content of type application/octet-stream" baah	20:32
Caesium	what's ppm? Opera won't touch it	20:32
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MOUD	Hello	20:32
MOUD	I just upgraded my phone's firmware and now I can't see my songs and videos folder (before they were working)	20:34
MOUD	how can I fix it?	20:34
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SpeedEvil	As a comparison - http://www.mauve.plus.com/back.ppm - is an image of the same conditions. (not focussed properly)	20:35
lcuk	arhhh fuck im shooting slectric sparks out of my fingertips	20:35
DocScrutinizer	Caesium: man ppm	20:35
lcuk	i just zapped computer and n900, is it like safe?	20:35
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angasuleN810	lcuk: probably not	20:36
angasuleN810	lcuk, I used to reset my cellphone that way	20:36
frals	lcuk: evolving in to a superhero?	20:36
fnordianslip	anyone have any opinions on focus stealing on maemo5? it annoys me when i launch an app, and switch to another, as the app I launched steals focus when it is ready. it should stay in the background until i switch to it, in my opinion.	20:36
ShadowJK_	fnordianslip, I agree.	20:36
* cehteh agrees too		20:37
angasuleN810	fnordianslip, that's annoying and happens in diablo, too	20:37
ShadowJK_	I just noticed that gpodder steals focus even after having launched. I picked ot update all feeds, and switched to xchat, then gpodder stole focus once the update was complete, to display list of new episodes	20:37
fnordianslip	i wonder if it is a bug, or a feature	20:37
SpeedEvil	http://www.mauve.plus.com/front.jpg and http://www.mauve.plus.com/back.jpg	20:37
Cas07	@MOUD what release have you installed and have you searched the talk forums?	20:37
SpeedEvil	fnordianslip: bug	20:37
angasuleN810	also, your nickname is too long	20:37
SpeedEvil	fnordianslip: start an app install	20:37
SpeedEvil	fnordianslip: switch to another app	20:37
angasuleN810	I need tab completion!	20:37
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SpeedEvil	fnordianslip: come back, and wonder why your keyboard isn't working	20:38
SpeedEvil	as the 'app installed' banner stole focus	20:38
* fnordianslip is too long? you should see the derivatives		20:38
fnordianslip	SpeedEvil: i think that might have been fixed, not sure though	20:38
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MOUD	Cas07: I have Version 2.2009.51-1.003 and I haven't checked the talk forums yet	20:38
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tybollt	meh :)	20:39
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xorAxAx	ivan4th: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6365	20:39
povbot`	Bug 6365: maemo-xinput-sounds uses all available CPU	20:39
wazd_e63	Reheya	20:40
xorAxAx	> 100% of the time is in state C0 at 600MHz	20:40
xorAxAx	According to Igor's summit lightning talk that WILL fry the CPU. Bumping	20:40
xorAxAx	severity.	20:40
xorAxAx	umm	20:40
DocScrutinizer	angasuleN810: you need tab completion ;-P	20:40
angasuleN810	I do!	20:40
xorAxAx	anybody heard his lightning talk?	20:40
fnordianslip	angasuleN810: my nick is shorter than yours, btw :)	20:40
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DocScrutinizer	angasuleN810: so why don't you configure xchat to do tab completion for you?	20:41
angasuleN810	same length, actually :-P	20:42
angasuleN810	I tried, but I couldn't figure it out	20:42
angasuleN810	ok, I didn't try hard	20:42
fnordianslip	angasuleN810: in chars, perhaps, but not in my font	20:42
pupnik_	i heard it xorAxAx	20:43
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angasuleN810	I'm usiing a fixed width font, weird	20:43
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xorAxAx	pupnik_: and, does it fry the cpu? :)	20:43
MOUD	Cas07: case solved, I just had to restart my device	20:44
MOUD	thanks anyways	20:44
pupnik_	i just got a flat tire. so i decided to chat with n900 before going outside the car to fix	20:44
DocScrutinizer	angasuleN810: settings -> key shortcuts. find "nick comp(letion)". asign key combo	20:44
SpeedEvil	mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video1 -vf denoise3d=50:50:50	20:44
pupnik_	strange luxury to have internet everywhere...	20:44
SpeedEvil	hmm	20:44
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DocScrutinizer	pupnik_: indeed	20:45
pupnik_	very high denoise settings SpeedEvil how does it look	20:45
DocScrutinizer	kinda adicting	20:45
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angasuleN810	DocScrutinizer, uhm, I just found out about chr :-P	20:46
pupnik_	try lower settings. too much ghosting	20:46
angasuleN810	\|	20:46
angasuleN810	I HAVE TEH PIPE	20:47
DocScrutinizer	angasuleN810: huh?	20:47
SpeedEvil	pupnik: smooth - but blobby	20:47
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bekoz	what are we talking about?	20:48
DocScrutinizer	angasuleN810: novice user? :-)	20:48
pupnik_	10:10:10 gives normal rresults here	20:48
angasuleN810	DocScrutinizer, yeap, relatively	20:48
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jebba	"The problem you are seeing is called last mile acceleration and should not be there. It tries to be helpful and opens the zip on the fly for you, which is not what apt-get wants. Mailing support to turn it off." -Tero. How is this not thought of in advance?	20:48
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angasuleN810	he multiplies!	20:49
DocScrutinizer-8	angasuleN810: well I'm using this lovely gadget since almost 2 years now :-)	20:50
uhsf	mplayer tv:// on the N900?	20:50
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DocScrutinizer	jebba: WTF???	20:51
angasuleN810	I've had it since christmas	20:51
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DocScrutinizer	angasuleN810: I'm such a fanboy I even got me a spare, just in case :-P	20:52
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angasuleN810	DocScrutinizer, got an N900?	20:53
Cas07	@uhsf run from xterm	20:53
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DocScrutinizer51	angasuleN810: as well, yes	20:53
angasuleN810	DocScrutinizer, I kinda hate your guts :-D	20:53
villager	jebba: I figured the provider enables it by default and whoever moved providers didn't know that?	20:53
DocScrutinizer	was inevitable as I always dreamt of a N810 with GSM modem	20:54
Cas07	@speedevil didnt realise that easy :)	20:54
villager	jebba: just assumed it would work like a regular webserver	20:54
angasuleN810	DocScrutinizer, I'm dreaming of moving to NL, then getting an N900 and iRex iLiad and a pony	20:55
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xorAxAx	sigh, i want an nntp frontend for tmo	21:01
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dmj726_n900	capitalization in the virtual keyboard seems broken after pr1.1	21:05
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dmj726_n900	anybody else noticed this?	21:05
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Cas07	if you mean gestures there is a forum post about it	21:06
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Cas07	dmj726_n900: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40804	21:07
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konttori	dmj726_n900: you need to open control panel and set the auto-capitalization to your liking	21:09
angasuleN810	I lIkE iT lIkE tHiS	21:10
aep	umm any idea why my n900 doesnt resolve the local domain? /etc/resolv.conf shows 170.0.0.1 which is odd	21:10
* angasuleN810 is a 13 year old girl :-P		21:10
hrw	Jaffa: you have my repo enabled?	21:10
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aep	i guess i can't just edit /etc/resolv.conf, can i? it will be overriden by some tool	21:12
Jaffa	hrw: not yet	21:12
smps	aep, yes, but in connection setting on your phone you can manually add dns server	21:13
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aep	ah nice.	21:13
aep	why doesnt it use my local one (which it gets via dhcp) in the first place?	21:13
smps	aep, it does	21:13
aep	well no. resolv.conf says 127.0.0.1	21:13
aep	and i cant resolv the local domain#	21:13
smps	aep, yes but locally you have "dnsmasq"	21:14
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smps	aep, which listens for it	21:14
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aep	ah, for what?	21:14
smps	aep, how do you try it ?	21:14
SpeedEvil	xorAxAx++	21:14
aep	ping	21:14
aep	"ping barf" which resolvs on other computers in my network just fone	21:14
smps	aep, try "ping barf.domain"	21:14
smps	aep, where ".domain" is your local domain	21:15
aep	good catch	21:15
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hrw	Jaffa: modest with your requests is there....	21:15
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* timeless_mbp sighs		21:15
timeless_mbp	MfE Folders triggers an annoying "feature" in modest	21:16
tybollt	do tell	21:16
aep	hey that works, except it asks for a root password	21:16
aep	what root password?	21:16
aep	oO	21:16
smps	aep, what asks for root password ?	21:16
aep	ping	21:16
aep	err well sudo ping	21:16
smps	!"§$%&/()=?	21:16
timeless_mbp	sudo gainroot	21:16
timeless_mbp	ping	21:16
aep	ah. thanks	21:16
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timeless_mbp	you need to install 'rootsh' to use gainroot	21:17
aep	thats not in the gui installers list, and sudo apt asks for a password again :(	21:17
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Jaffa	hrw: cool, ta. I'll test when I get home.	21:18
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aep	oh there it is, never mind	21:18
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hrw	cool	21:19
aep	ssh from my phone to control my router which runs lastfm. that was worth the money!	21:20
* aep is happy		21:20
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rd	My N900 tries to signal me something with a "white" light where it usually signals emails, chats, missed calls witht the blue LED	21:22
SpeedEvil	it on	21:22
rd	Ic	21:22
rd	thanks	21:22
SpeedEvil	stupid - go to 'notification light' in setting	21:22
SpeedEvil	and turn it off	21:22
SpeedEvil	I have no idea why they decided this was a good ide	21:22
SpeedEvil	a	21:22
rd	Many thanks, I found it	21:23
wolf^	SpeedEvil, at least you can turn it off, not like in n73	21:23
SpeedEvil	true	21:23
GeneralAntilles	SpeedEvil, s/jffs/ubifs/	21:24
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rd	I am wondering, did that come with a recent FW update or was it always there?	21:24
SpeedEvil	GeneralAntilles: oh - yeah - true	21:24
aep	ummm no pipe key?	21:24
aep	and no less	21:25
SpeedEvil	apt-get install less - with the tools repository enabled	21:25
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aep	ah where is that?	21:26
aep	i think i need to read some "introduction to hacking the n900" :D	21:26
aep	ah found	21:27
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AndrewFBlack	Stskeeps, ping?	21:31
Arkenoi	http://www.neopwn.com/ that's damn great, i was thinking about creating a project like that myself	21:31
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RST38h	what is stopping you?	21:32
timeless_mbp	hey AndrewFBlack	21:33
timeless_mbp	is your theme fixed?	21:33
AndrewFBlack	timeless_mbp, yep	21:34
AndrewFBlack	going to be pushing to testing soon	21:34
timeless_mbp	err, soon?	21:34
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timeless_mbp	where is nit now?	21:34
timeless_mbp	s/n//	21:34
infobot	timeless_mbp meant: where is it now?	21:34
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aep	hm how do i debug the browser? it just shows a white page and a loading animation forever	21:36
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aep	does this thing have a log or something?	21:36
xorAxAx	20:32:45 -!- Irssi: New peak in #maemo@freenode : 558	21:36
RST38h	where are they all coming from?	21:37
Jaffa	hrw: Doesn't show up in App Manager, AFAICT	21:38
AndrewFBlack	timeless_mbp, 1.2-6 just got done building I´m going to test it a while then move it to testing. All should be good its the same as last version just new App Manger Icons	21:38
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javispedro	wow, the autobuilder is now faster than this machine	21:39
timeless_mbp	AndrewFBlack: i'm stuck w/ maemo-org 1.1-3	21:39
hrw	Jaffa: I did not touched packaging	21:39
X-Fade	javispedro: Heh ;)	21:39
aep	just calling "browser" from the commandline doesnt do anything :/	21:39
timeless_mbp	aep: there's a browser dbus command for opening urls	21:39
hrw	Jaffa: Section: mail	21:39
aep	well i need the browser to open in terminal though to get at least som,e debug output	21:40
aep	the gui doesnt exactly tell you anything other then "please wait forever"	21:40
AndrewFBlack	timeless_mbp, if you want to update from devel then current version should update that one. You got 1.1-3 from devel also	21:40
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red	is there any way to shut of the N900 screen while the phone is connected to TV?	21:40
red	guessing it would save some battery.	21:41
X-Fade	javispedro: You don't have dual quadcore Xeon with 32GB of RAM? How odd :)	21:41
Jaffa	hrw: HAM has the concept of trusted dupdate domains IIRC	21:41
AndrewFBlack	how come Build Queue and Latest Build not working on maemo.org anymore?	21:41
javispedro	X-Fade: hehe... nice! :)	21:41
X-Fade	AndrewFBlack: Haven't enabled that yet.	21:41
AndrewFBlack	X-Fade, ok	21:41
AndrewFBlack	btw, just want to say Site is running better then it ever as.	21:42
Jaffa	hrw: ah no, I might have a typo ;)	21:42
red	could anyone give me a url to wget bounce from?	21:42
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red	or should the repo work already?	21:43
xorAxAx	red: you can echo 0 >/sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness	21:43
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xorAxAx	probably in a watch loop	21:44
xorAxAx	watch "..."	21:44
X-Fade	AndrewFBlack: We will speed it up some more.	21:44
xorAxAx	X-Fade: by doing what? :)	21:44
AndrewFBlack	X-Fade, I´m just happy that I don´t time out uploading to extras anymore lol	21:45
X-Fade	xorAxAx: Improving the way caching etc works. And moving to a HA mysql cluster for the databases.	21:45
X-Fade	AndrewFBlack: Heh, no that should be solved now :)	21:46
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timeless_mbp	aep: so um	21:46
timeless_mbp	about your browser	21:46
timeless_mbp	is browserd running in your process list?	21:47
timeless_mbp	and did you install anything stupid like browser-switchboard?	21:47
aep	i didnt install anything yet	21:47
aep	other then update	21:47
aep	i restarted the device. browser works again, until it crashes	21:47
timeless_mbp	well, what did you install before the update?	21:47
timeless_mbp	oh	21:47
aep	nothing. i updated right away	21:48
timeless_mbp	so you haven't installed anything?	21:48
timeless_mbp	sorry, i'm used to users lying to me	21:48
timeless_mbp	and it's a very bad use of my time :)	21:48
aep	well yes rootsh	21:48
timeless_mbp	is that all? :)	21:48
aep	yes!	21:48
aep	:D	21:48
timeless_mbp	ok	21:48
javispedro	2:30 for a full build of vulture's eye. I think I'm going to stop local builds ;)	21:48
timeless_mbp	well, for now, how about installing 'crash-reporter' (it's probably in the 'tools' repository)	21:49
aep	ah nice. will do	21:49
timeless_mbp	when something crashes, try to include your email address or something similarly identifiable	21:49
aep	as soon as the browser stops crashing so i can enable the tools repo	21:49
aep	since the manual link is a 404	21:49
lardman\|home	how do I tell if something is optified?	21:49
timeless_mbp	??	21:49
aep	so i guess i have to use this one click thing	21:49
javispedro	RST38h: diablo vulture's eye is up (also updated fremantle one again, using gzip for savefiles)	21:49
timeless_mbp	you can always manually enter repository bits	21:50
timeless_mbp	Tools	21:50
timeless_mbp	http://repository.maemo.org	21:50
timeless_mbp	fremantle/tools	21:50
timeless_mbp	free non-free	21:50
Jaffa	lardman\|home: grep /opt /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.list	21:50
javispedro	RST38h: of course the diablo one is working, and at a playable speed.	21:50
timeless_mbp	[ ] Do not use	21:50
aep	timeless_mbp: says refresh failed. 404	21:50
lardman\|home	Jaffa: before I install it?	21:50
Jaffa	lardman\|home: or it installs under /usr/lib/python2.5	21:50
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Jaffa	lardman\|home: dpkg -c on the deb? ;)	21:50
lardman\|home	Jaffa: I hope not for gnuplot ;)	21:51
lardman\|home	ah, ok :)	21:51
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RST38h	javispedro: !!!	21:51
RST38h	javispedro: thanks =)	21:51
lardman\|home	ah good, gnuplot is fwiw	21:52
lardman\|home	would be nice for HAM to tell us that	21:52
RST38h	javispedro: Should I promote Fremantle one to testing and make a tmo post warning people to uninstall the previous version?	21:52
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javispedro	RST38h: yes, if you find the usual functionality is OK in the new one	21:53
javispedro	(it's -1maemo5 fwiw)	21:54
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MaemohammadAG	if i disable the vibrator module from mce, will anything happen to the device?	21:54
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RST38h	javis: I played it for a while, feels ok	21:57
aep	ah great got it working	21:57
RST38h	javis: omg, maemo.org/package is not found on the server	21:57
RST38h	packages	21:57
cehteh	MaemohammadAG: it wont vibrate anymore .. well dont forget to restart mce	21:58
javispedro	hmm http://maemo.org/packages/view/vultures/ ?	21:58
RST38h	this works	21:58
MaemohammadAG	cehteh, it doesn't vibrate now	21:58
javispedro	ah yes, the new one is not yet there	21:58
MaemohammadAG	just makes the sound and till i get it fixed i'm disabling it	21:58
* cehteh did that too .. at least for incomming emails		21:58
pupnik	javispedro: do you think the bypassing pulse idea is bad or good?	21:58
javispedro	RST38h: wait a bit and promote -1maemo5	21:58
cehteh	i dont want it vibrating every few minutes	21:59
RST38h	javispedro: apply as a package maintainer, two is better than one	21:59
RST38h	pupnik: IMHO bad	21:59
MaemohammadAG	well the vibrator's broken so loading it is pointless	21:59
javispedro	pupnik: I don't mind. if it can break the speakers, then bad.	21:59
MaemohammadAG	now i have to find a way to get rid of the startup vibration	21:59
RST38h	No idea what it will do, hence bad	21:59
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RST38h	On the other hand, we do not quite know what PA does =(	22:00
pupnik	it arbitrates access between apps, runs eq (xprot), and takes care of buffering and format/samplerate conversion	22:00
cehteh	MaemohammadAG: thats prolly hardcoded into the bootloader already .. iirc it vibrates very early	22:00
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X-Fade	approving....	22:00
RST38h	thanks =)	22:01
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red	anyone suggest any game for dosbox? so far tested larry 1 :)	22:04
oscillik	DOOM	22:05
pupnik	no	22:05
gevaerts	Is there a way to make the fm transmitter keep transmitting if there's no sound playing?	22:05
ml-N900	it does	22:05
ml-N900	it transmits beeps	22:05
gevaerts	true	22:05
MaemohammadAG	cehteh, oh kk	22:05
gevaerts	although I get the impression that it shuts off after a while	22:06
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MaemohammadAG	it does	22:06
cehteh	for powersaving reasons prolly	22:06
ml-N900	red: Descent! (good luck controlling it!)	22:06
gevaerts	I'd like to use it for RDS only	22:06
cehteh	transmit silence	22:07
gevaerts	that works of course, but it's slightly more work	22:07
cehteh	how that?	22:07
gevaerts	you have to keep track of it	22:08
* gevaerts has to think about this		22:08
koala_man	so my screen appears to be stuck sideways (portrait mode). what's supposed to trigger it to change?	22:09
X-Fade	koala_man: lock screen, press powerbuttton, slide on screen to unlock.	22:09
xorAxAx	IMHO the portrait detection is broken and a bit unusable because it triggers sometimes in the wrong moment or not at all. thats probably the reason why its not enabled by default	22:09
X-Fade	And yes, that is a bug ;)	22:09
koala_man	X-Fade: oh, nice. thanks	22:10
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red	ml-N900: rofl	22:10
red	22:00 < red> anyone suggest any game for dosbox? so far tested larry 1 :)	22:10
red	let me rephrase - those who have used dosbox on n900 - any suggestions?	22:11
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red	i've read the forum threads mostly :)	22:11
xorAxAx	alleycat	22:11
xorAxAx	skyroads	22:11
lardman\|home	hmm, is there a generic env var I can set to make things ignore python2.3 in preference to python2.5?	22:11
xorAxAx	commander keen	22:11
xorAxAx	lemmings	22:11
xorAxAx	jill	22:12
MaemohammadAG	cehteh, how do i restart mce?	22:12
igagis_	hi	22:12
hrw	lardman\|home: sbox has python2.3?	22:12
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xorAxAx	red: is that enough?	22:12
hrw	o fuck.. it has	22:12
RST38h	pupnik: Does not arbitrate well enough, judging by that stupid lockup bug	22:12
lardman\|home	hrw: yep, pretty advanced stuff ;)	22:12
hrw	lardman\|home: nokia is poor company	22:13
* RST38h reminds hrw of sb2 existance		22:13
igagis_	hello all	22:13
hrw	RST38h: and madde	22:13
xorAxAx	RST38h: is it already maemo compatible?	22:13
igagis_	can someone help me with this? http://pastebin.org/78323	22:13
hrw	RST38h: official way is 'use sbox1' and I keep that way	22:13
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red	xorAxAx: ty	22:13
xorAxAx	red: never tried most of them, though	22:13
RST38h	xorAxAx: SB2? I develop with it.	22:14
RST38h	hrw: Official way is also "use autoconf"	22:14
RST38h	hrw: But I refuse to go mad.	22:14
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RST38h	hrw: So, yes, just forgetting about sb1 may not be such a bad idea	22:15
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AndrewFBlack	strange are repos faster then maemo.com/packages now just updated to newest version of my theme but update isn´t showing on site	22:15
hrw	RST38h: I like autoconf	22:15
RST38h	hrw: What for?	22:15
RST38h	it is "solving" preciously few actual problems nowadays	22:15
xorAxAx	RST38h: are there debs?	22:15
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RST38h	xorAxAx: ? yes, sb2 can create debs	22:16
xorAxAx	RST38h: no, for sb2 installation	22:16
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hrw	bye all	22:17
xorAxAx	RST38h: or do i need to install from source?	22:17
hrw	RST38h: I prefer to work with soft which uses autoconf then other crazy ways	22:17
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javispedro	hm..	22:18
xorAxAx	ah, there is http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install-ubuntu.html	22:18
aep	is my device broken? i get frequent crashes with browser, xchat, etc	22:18
rom1dep	hello ! Just a dumb question... Where are stored the files of the "Documents" directory ? I had a quick look in ~ but I think there is a special pounting point for these dirs...	22:18
javispedro	on any of the cpumem-applets, when the cpu usage is 100%, does the bar turn red or blue?	22:18
rom1dep	mounting*	22:18
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javispedro	s/on/in	22:18
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Shadikka	rom1dep: They're in hidden folders, try ls -a	22:22
javispedro	rom1dep: ~/MyDocs/.documents	22:22
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Shadikka	oh, sorry, misread	22:22
Shadikka	Yeah, just as javispedro said.	22:22
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xorAxAx	does anyone know if it is possible to configure the file open dialog to also show e.g. the home directory?	22:23
javispedro	ah, the bar blinks red.	22:23
javispedro	:(	22:23
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pupnik	xorAxAx: just pretend mydocs is your home dir	22:24
red	wonder if X-COM series work on N900 dosbox	22:24
pupnik	it gets backed-up	22:24
red	gotta try to find and play	22:24
rom1dep	thanks Shadikka and javispedro ! On my desktop I have -a in my aliases so I totaly forgot to try that >.<	22:24
xorAxAx	pupnik: a) it is fat b) ruskie made it too small	22:24
xorAxAx	evil ruskie	22:24
pupnik	any hi-fi music fans /msg me	22:25
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xorAxAx	pupnik: for what?	22:25
pupnik	need advice	22:26
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rom1dep	has anyone here tested msn-pacan on the n900 ?	22:30
tuxer	works pretty good for me	22:33
MaemohammadAG	rom1dep, best of all 3 imo	22:34
tuxer	agreed	22:34
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MaemohammadAG	haze kept having server problems	22:35
rom1dep	tuxer: MaemohammadAG: did you built it or is theresomething available in the repos ?	22:35
MaemohammadAG	the no named one kept disappearing	22:35
MaemohammadAG	it's on the repos	22:36
MaemohammadAG	like a person would show up as online but there's no button to chat	22:36
MaemohammadAG	also green LED for IM FTW	22:36
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tuxer	rom1dep: it's in devel or testing	22:37
lardman\|home	hmm, so do I need to create a file to enable optification, or will it just happen (talking about random libs I'm packaging up here)	22:37
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MohammadAG	anyone found a way to set up xchat notifications?	22:37
rom1dep	tuxer: thanks ! so I'll switch to testing :)	22:38
lardman\|home	xchat allows binary plugins doesn't it?	22:38
MohammadAG	not sure	22:38
MohammadAG	perl/tcl/python on a pc	22:38
lardman\|home	python would do	22:38
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* lardman\|home twiddles thumbs waiting for QHull tests to finish		22:39
MohammadAG	step by step?	22:39
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lardman\|home	MohammadAG: find LED control code in Python, find example xchat plugin, merge ;)	22:39
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MohammadAG	you're good at step by step-s :p	22:40
lardman\|home	thanks :)	22:40
lardman\|home	;)	22:40
xorAxAx	RST38h: how do you do the gui tests? it says: Error: Binary-only supplement package not available for fremantle5.0minimal_armel.	22:40
MohammadAG	np :p	22:40
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ruskie	xorAxAx, or generate a vfat image and loop mount it on MyDocs ;)	22:43
xorAxAx	RST38h: make: *** [clean] Segmentation fault	22:43
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xorAxAx	RST38h: doesnt look usable yet :)	22:43
crashanddie	sup!	22:43
xorAxAx	ruskie: hmm	22:44
xorAxAx	ruskie: currently i am bindmounting like hell	22:44
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ruskie	see the rest of the repartitioning thread... it mentions this option as well	22:45
MohammadAG	how do i start mce again?	22:45
MohammadAG	i killed it	22:45
ruskie	tried start mce	22:45
xorAxAx	ruskie: the option to create an image?	22:45
ruskie	xorAxAx, as an alternative to a real MyDocs partition	22:46
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MohammadAG	well that was a stupid question	22:47
MohammadAG	thanks ruskie	22:47
ruskie	?	22:47
ruskie	there are no stupid questions	22:47
MohammadAG	start mce	22:47
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ruskie	and I could have been wrong	22:47
ruskie	ls /etc/event.d	22:47
MohammadAG	actually it was lol	22:47
ruskie	you can start name or stop name	22:47
ruskie	for anything in that dir	22:47
ruskie	I think	22:47
ruskie	not used to upstart	22:47
RST38h	xorAxAx: Well, works-for-me	22:48
MohammadAG	i knew about start and stop, that's why i said it was stupid	22:48
RST38h	xorAxAx: What host OS / toolchain / bootstrap are you using?	22:48
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* igagis_ cannot ping the maemo.org		22:49
woglinde	jo	22:49
xorAxAx	RST38h: ubuntu 9.10, armel, fremantle	22:49
oscillik	ruskie: sorry to be a pain, but i'm getting "resolving host timed out: repo.codemages.net" while trying to install gcoreutils...anything i can do to get this working?	22:50
MohammadAG	hmm	22:50
ruskie	oscillik, try pinging it	22:50
MohammadAG	the orange led isn't the same as the red one	22:50
ruskie	MohammadAG, naturally not	22:50
MohammadAG	i thought the orange one was named red	22:51
ruskie	MohammadAG, orange is orange red is red	22:51
oscillik	ruskie: i'm getting a response when pinging	22:51
MohammadAG	not if you're colourblind :P	22:51
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ruskie	I think it's a multi colour led	22:51
ruskie	oscillik, odd	22:51
MohammadAG	(i'm not, thankfully)	22:51
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ruskie	MohammadAG, so you can play with red green and blue values on it	22:51
MohammadAG	it is, but i thought it was 3 colours only	22:51
ruskie	oscillik, tried apt-get update?	22:52
MohammadAG	what about orange?	22:52
MohammadAG	is it for charging only?	22:52
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ruskie	MohammadAG, no... go to an online colour picker	22:52
ruskie	and pick a colour then you'll need what values you need	22:53
ruskie	not sure what mce uses	22:53
MohammadAG	letters	22:53
MohammadAG	r/g/b	22:53
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MohammadAG	plus it has different patterns for different devices	22:53
MohammadAG	RX44	22:53
MohammadAG	RX51 (this one obviously)	22:53
MohammadAG	and a few others	22:54
oscillik	ruskie: just did update. now when i try to install it says "failed to fetch https://repo.codemages.net/opt/opt/gcoreutils_8.1-1_armel_opt.deb the requested URL returned error: 404"	22:54
ruskie	what's the lowest led colour number? and the highest?	22:54
pronto	any easy way to disable smilies in text messages?	22:54
ruskie	pronto, no	22:54
Shadikka	violence	22:54
pronto	damn	22:54
RST38h	xorAxax: Again, what toolchain?	22:54
ruskie	oscillik, it's not opt/opt	22:54
pronto	does that hexedit method still work with that pr1.1	22:55
ruskie	oscillik, your deb line is wrong	22:55
RST38h	xorAxAx: AFAIK, you have to use the latest toolchain, then it works	22:55
xorAxAx	RST38h: arm-2007q3	22:55
ruskie	pronto, probably	22:55
xorAxAx	what is the latest one, RST38h?	22:55
ruskie	oscillik, it's deb https://repo.codemages.net/opt ./	22:55
RST38h	xorAxAx: compiler looks ok	22:55
ruskie	you apprantely have deb https://repo.codemages.net/opt opt	22:55
RST38h	xorAxAx: What about the tools (etch-what?)	22:55
xorAxAx	lenny	22:55
RST38h	xorAxAx: that may be it	22:55
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xorAxAx	lenny-2009-1	22:56
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RST38h	hmm	22:56
oscillik	ruskie: odd. the entry in App Manager is "https://repo.codemages.net/opt/"	22:56
ruskie	oscillik, that is correct	22:56
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ruskie	oscillik, what about component and the other entry?	22:56
oscillik	component is "/"	22:56
oscillik	hang on	22:57
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oscillik	no	22:57
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oscillik	distribution is /	22:57
ruskie	the last field should be blank	22:57
ruskie	the other one should be ./	22:57
oscillik	yeah it is :-s	22:57
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oscillik	lemme try it again	22:57
ruskie	check in case the line extends further for the location	22:57
woglinde	hms	22:58
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ruskie	oscillik, check also what this returns: grep codemages /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list	22:58
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ruskie	hmm	22:59
oscillik	in the distribution field it had "/" instead of "./", so i'm gonna try again now i changed it	22:59
ruskie	actually should be deb https://repo.codemages.net opt/	22:59
ruskie	apparently	22:59
ruskie	atleast that's what I have	22:59
ruskie	odd	22:59
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oscillik	ruskie: it's still putting /opt/opt :-s	23:01
ruskie	oscillik, try with https://repo.codemages.net	23:01
oscillik	i'm gonna remove /opt from the url altogether	23:01
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oscillik	yeah :D	23:01
ruskie	and opt/ for distro	23:01
oscillik	just waiting for App Manager to respond so i can change it	23:02
rom1dep	tuxer: me again, can you give me the exact name of the msn-pecan package please ?	23:03
MohammadAG	telepathy-msn-pecan rom1dep	23:03
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DocScrutinizer	[2010-01-18 21:37:43] (<MohammadAG> anyone found a way to set up xchat notifications?) Yup	23:04
DocScrutinizer	moment, I'll paste it	23:04
oscillik	ruskie: sucess :D (i think)	23:04
MohammadAG	thanks :D	23:04
rom1dep	apt-get install telepathy-msn-pecan it's probbably in devel, not in testing	23:05
* MohammadAG sees it's not only him who reads scrollbacks		23:05
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crashanddie	GeneralAntilles: finally have wifi (never thought the mbp could act as an AP xD), how do you recommend I update the n900?	23:06
MohammadAG	crashanddie, HAM	23:06
MohammadAG	you can use apt-get dist-upgrade too	23:06
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles: still claims the repos are down, even though the forums yell other things	23:06
MohammadAG	they're working for me	23:07
crashanddie	could be my akamai routing is dodgy -- i'm on the other face of the planet	23:07
oscillik	ruskie: many thanks, that sorted it out	23:07
crashanddie	but maemo extras and extras-devel is still down	23:07
crashanddie	MohammadAG: oh hang on, I don't need those do I?	23:07
crashanddie	because the servers hosting it are the Nokia ones, so completely different	23:08
MohammadAG	nope lol	23:08
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MohammadAG	nokia repos have always been up	23:08
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woglinde	crashanddie hm I installed libimlib2	23:09
woglinde	so extras-devel is up for me	23:09
crashanddie	k	23:09
DocScrutinizer51	MohammadAG: http://pastebin.com/f2d1ca246	23:09
MohammadAG	crashanddie, did an apt-get update, they're up	23:10
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer51, thanks, will have a look	23:10
crashanddie	for you -- not necessarily for me	23:10
DocScrutinizer51	MohammadAG: then in settings enter '/home/user/.xchat2/notify.sh' for audio playback program	23:11
rom1dep	it's amazing how the maemo community is active and how oyou can find everything on the repos Oo	23:11
ruskie	:)	23:11
DocScrutinizer51	MohammadAG: simple like that	23:11
davyg	about repo, still down ?	23:12
woglinde	davyg no	23:12
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davyg	woglinde, ok thanks time to update then	23:13
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teilzeitstudent	Is there some guide somewhere detailing the theming mechanism of maemo? like..file syntaxes, locations, filename-to-application icon mapping etc? tried looking at some theme .debs, but that'd be mainly guesswork..	23:14
Shrik3	what's the correct package if I want to install python on my N810 (diablo)	23:14
timeless_mbp	teilzeitstudent: there's thememaker	23:14
timeless_mbp	which is what people typically use	23:14
timeless_mbp	it basically gives you a layout whicih you paint over	23:15
Jaffa	crashanddie: ping	23:15
crashanddie	Jaffa: pong, but not for long	23:15
teilzeitstudent	timeless_mbp, yea but I'm not so much interessted atmaking themes (they'd look horribly :>), just..you know.. poking around	23:15
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer51, what's the dbus for the led again?	23:15
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MohammadAG	cause my vib. is broken	23:16
crashanddie	your vibrator is broken?	23:16
MohammadAG	n900 vibrator yes	23:17
teilzeitstudent	For example, a simpler way to convert basic gnome, kde, freedesktop icon themes to maemo	23:17
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-activate-led	23:17
MohammadAG	crashanddie, the way you asked that was a bit weird o.O	23:17
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Jaffa	crashanddie: Was just wondering about MWKN technologies.	23:18
oscillik	ruskie: just one more question - where doe the gcoreutils install to?	23:18
crashanddie	Jaffa: what about them?	23:18
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: you probably need to find a way to send http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-deactivate-led eventually though	23:18
Jaffa	crashanddie: If you had any preferences, if you wanted to be involved in the dev	23:19
MohammadAG	well it stopped	23:19
MohammadAG	i ran the .sh outside xchat	23:19
MohammadAG	in terminal, as a test	23:19
MohammadAG	and it stopped	23:19
ruskie	oscillik, they are all in your path... just prefixed with g	23:19
crashanddie	Jaffa: not Java, because we're going to be flying off Reggie's servers. So obviously PHP, prolly MySQL. You had a nice little lib you'd found regarding javascript foo	23:19
MohammadAG	thought it was infinite	23:19
ruskie	oscillik, you can do a dpkg -L gcoreutils to see a full list	23:19
teilzeitstudent	oscillik, if you have a .deb file, you can extract it, extract the "data.tar.gz" therein, that directory structure is the one used afaik	23:20
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: me too	23:20
ruskie	teilzeitstudent, why go to all that trouble?	23:20
crashanddie	Jaffa: that is for the interface, how we gather data is something else, maybe (and prolly) PHP isn't best adapter for that. And maybe we'll have to run it off somewhere else	23:20
ruskie	teilzeitstudent, dpkg --contents deb will list that as well ;)	23:20
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: you may try different patern though	23:20
oscillik	ruskie: thanks. colour LS now :D	23:20
teilzeitstudent	ruskie, I always forget the commands, plus I do not use .debs normally :p	23:20
crashanddie	Jaffa: I don't mind providing for an additional server that would run an aggregation bot	23:20
ruskie	teilzeitstudent, I don't as well	23:20
ruskie	teilzeitstudent, infact I don't use any binary distros really	23:20
crashanddie	if we go that way, haven't thought about it really	23:20
oscillik	teilzeitstudent: thanks for that additional info :)	23:21
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, what's the play-sound for?	23:21
ruskie	oscillik, you can even alias ls=gls	23:21
ruskie	:)	23:21
oscillik	ruskie: oh i totally shall	23:21
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teilzeitstudent	ruskie, so..another gentoo user?	23:21
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: o.O	23:21
ruskie	teilzeitstudent, not at all	23:21
woglinde	dpkg -X unpacks it	23:21
DocScrutinizer	to play sound??	23:21
ruskie	source mage dev :)	23:21
teilzeitstudent	but?	23:21
crashanddie	Jaffa: the problem I see is if we go querying every single TMO thread, plus every single twitter post that has a specific hashtag, plus every single ML thread, the app is going to be butt-slow	23:21
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, play-sound $1	23:22
DocScrutinizer	does exactly that	23:22
Jaffa	crashanddie: Start off with letting the human contributors find the ML and TMO posts; use the Twitter REST API to collect their data.	23:22
crashanddie	k	23:22
DocScrutinizer	play sound which xchat passes as filename 1. parameter	23:22
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* Jaffa was planning on running it on his own server since a) I can control it; b) I know the technologies it can run and c) well, I'm paying for it already ;-)		23:22
MohammadAG	so it's not a sound right?	23:23
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: huh?	23:23
crashanddie	Jaffa: fair enough, didn't know you had a server running	23:23
MohammadAG	i'm missing something here	23:23
MohammadAG	this vibrates and makes a soung?	23:23
MohammadAG	sound*	23:23
crashanddie	Jaffa: I'll start off tonight by building a very lightweight VM, I don't want to install apache on my mbp directly	23:23
DocScrutinizer	[2010-01-18 22:11:05] <DocScrutinizer51> MohammadAG: then in settings enter '/home/user/.xchat2/notify.sh' for audio playback program	23:23
Jaffa	crashanddie: PHP + MySQL front-end sounds sensible; I've got some code I can reuse for persistence etc. Data collection, can be anything really - Perl/Python/PHP/...	23:23
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woglinde	jo wazd	23:24
Jaffa	crashanddie: Sounds sensible. There's an Ubuntu Server VMware Player appliance IIRC	23:24
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, i got that part	23:24
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: "external sound playing program" is the exact wording in xchat	23:24
crashanddie	Jaffa: it takes under 10 minutes to install a VM :P	23:24
rom1dep	bye!	23:24
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, i already set it	23:24
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crashanddie	Jaffa: the important bit to remember is that the data collector will need to run on the server as well, unless you want to expose your MySQL server to the whole world?	23:24
MohammadAG	but i'm wondering, does it actually play a sound?	23:25
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DocScrutinizer	yes it does	23:25
Jaffa	crashanddie: Correct (first bit). Happy to give you account on box to maintain stuff	23:25
MohammadAG	ok, line removed then	23:25
Jaffa	crashanddie: Also, been thinking about the issue itself being rendered out to static HTML for fastest/lowest latency serving	23:25
wazd	heya	23:25
wazd	ok, my bet	23:25
RST38h	moo wazd	23:25
wazd	Apple/Wacom tablet	23:25
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: I'd suggest to select a null file for sound in xchat raher than deleting the line. but whatever serves for your purpose....	23:26
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wazd	this will get a small excuse for 1k+ price	23:26
MohammadAG	kk	23:26
crashanddie	Jaffa: I'm going to start working on the ML and tmo aggregation first. Have the ability to see a thread, and go into it, select a specific post, collect data with regards to author, date, thread information, direct URL to post	23:27
crashanddie	Jaffa: once I have that, I can start thinking about laying it out to a user interface	23:27
wazd	http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/top.jpg - this ad kinda proves it	23:27
crashanddie	wazd: we might need you at some point	23:27
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: I used /usr/share/sounds/chat-msg_in_bg_2.wav	23:27
crashanddie	wazd: and no, that is not negotiable	23:27
crashanddie	Jaffa: what kind of server are we talking about? dedi or webhost?	23:28
Jaffa	crashanddie: Cool. Would be useful to have something like that as a bookmarklet, e.g. looking at a post in Google Mail; parses out the subject and author and tries to find the post	23:28
MohammadAG	if the device is silent it shouldn't play right DocScrutinizer?	23:28
wazd	crashanddie: well, since I have no choice... :)	23:28
Jaffa	crashanddie: Dedi. Physical box. root access.	23:28
RST38h	javispedro: looks like the whole packages/ died now	23:28
* oscillik has awesome colour LS thanks to ruskie		23:28
javispedro	RST38h: :( at least the repo got updated.	23:29
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: play-sound seems to be buggy here	23:29
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MohammadAG	define buggy	23:29
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MohammadAG	it plays when silent?	23:29
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: always plays max volume no matter of silent setting or volume	23:29
javispedro	RST38h: /packages works here, but has stopped getting updates seems.	23:29
ruskie	DocScrutinizer, I think it's how it inits pulse	23:30
ruskie	I get the same issue with xmms2	23:30
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DocScrutinizer	yup	23:30
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, so if the line is removed, it shouldn't play the sound	23:30
ruskie	which reminds me need to bug one of the xmms2 devs to see if it can be fixed	23:30
DocScrutinizer	maybe that's even correct by definition	23:30
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: correct	23:30
RST38h	javispedro: <permanent facepalm>	23:31
crashanddie	Jaffa: i gotta run	23:31
crashanddie	I'll let you know of my progress	23:31
RST38h	ok, <sleep>	23:31
woglinde	nite rst	23:31
crashanddie	Jaffa: I'm on shitty internet connections here in oz, and will be for as long as I don't have my own place	23:31
thresh	morning	23:31
xorAxAx	hey, i like the maemo community much better than the android guys.	23:31
xorAxAx	22:31:29 < bnovc> xorAxAx: then your skill with the google is weak	23:32
xorAxAx	they said ...	23:32
ruskie	xorAxAx, lol	23:32
crashanddie	Jaffa: work is firewalled the hell out of (I have to VPN, ssh to server in London, and have a java socks proxy run there), and my macbook servers as an access point for the ethernet cable in the hotel	23:32
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, highlight me	23:32
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: nevertheless you need to select some soundfile for all the events you want notify.sh to be run, in xchat sound setup	23:32
MohammadAG	cool, it worked	23:33
DocScrutinizer	:-)	23:33
MohammadAG	thanks mate	23:33
DocScrutinizer	yw	23:33
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Jaffa	crashanddie: cya	23:33
* MohammadAG looks for a way to stop the led		23:33
SpeedEvil	MohammadAG: duct tape.	23:33
MohammadAG	lol	23:33
DocScrutinizer	lol	23:33
MohammadAG	i wonder why it stopped in terminal	23:34
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: you probably need to find a way to send http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-deactivate-led eventually though	23:34
SpeedEvil	Anyway to get espeak to speak PM's say?	23:34
MohammadAG	actually	23:34
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, highlight me once, then again after 5 secs	23:34
ruskie	SpeedEvil, from what I know all you need is to pipe the text into it somehow	23:34
SpeedEvil	yeah	23:34
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: to your order massa	23:35
ruskie	teilzeitstudent, I take it you got my response earlier? happened just before you asked	23:35
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: booo	23:35
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: boooooooooooooo	23:35
MohammadAG	lol k that didn't work well haha	23:35
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: bbb	23:35
DocScrutinizer	bbl	23:35
MohammadAG	kk	23:35
MohammadAG	ty	23:35
teilzeitstudent	ruskie, which distro you use? nop	23:36
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ruskie	teilzeitstudent, [22:21:34] <ruskie> source mage dev :)	23:36
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teilzeitstudent	ruskie, ah..never heared of it but ok :p	23:37
xorAxAx	does it compile from sources like gentoo, ruskie?	23:38
ruskie	yup	23:38
ruskie	but that's really the only thing in common	23:39
MohammadAG	how do i add a wait to a .sh file?	23:39
xorAxAx	then you are one of the people responsible for global warming	23:39
ruskie	MohammadAG, sleep $seconds	23:39
teilzeitstudent	xD	23:39
xorAxAx	imagine how many nuclear power plants could be shut down if source mage didnt exist	23:39
ruskie	xorAxAx, to bad it's a religion	23:39
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PaulAnagrama	hi	23:39
ruskie	gotta love "scientific" findings based on hidden agendas and intentionally omitted data	23:40
X-Fade	Guys, I would like your opinion on backwards compatibility in Extras: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=480755	23:40
ruskie	xorAxAx, probably 1/1000th of one ;)	23:40
xorAxAx	ruskie: yeah, fortunately its not common enough	23:40
X-Fade	Trying to prevent a mess :)	23:40
MohammadAG	ruskie, that didn't work	23:40
xorAxAx	X-Fade: can we have an NNTP interface for TMO?	23:40
MohammadAG	sleep 5seconds?	23:40
Stskeeps	X-Fade: mp-fremantle-generic-pr isn't called like that on all devices is it?	23:40
xorAxAx	then they can shut down the mailinglists	23:41
X-Fade	xorAxAx: Don't ask me.	23:41
xorAxAx	Stskeeps: indeed	23:41
wazd	Stskeeps: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=480677&postcount=40	23:41
PaulAnagrama	on N900, is there a way to setup a timeout for the internet connection, if i don't use it for ... say 10 minutes, disconnect?	23:41
ruskie	xorAxAx, TMO has mailing lists?	23:41
xorAxAx	X-Fade: you introduced the media disruption here	23:41
ruskie	MohammadAG, what did you do?	23:41
xorAxAx	ruskie: TMO wants to shutdown maemo-community	23:41
MohammadAG	sleep 5seconds	23:41
Stskeeps	wazd: ask him dpkg -l hildon-theme-marina	23:41
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X-Fade	Stskeeps: No, but it would be a builder runtime change.	23:41
ruskie	xorAxAx, hmm I'd be happy if TMO would be available through NNTP as well	23:41
SyncA	hi	23:41
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wazd	Stskeeps: your template has highlight bug too :)	23:41
ruskie	MohammadAG, drop the seconds	23:42
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, lol @ hard-breaking. :P	23:42
ruskie	MohammadAG, the number alone is in seconds	23:42
* MohammadAG slaps himself		23:42
Stskeeps	X-Fade: i was more talking about that the package is named something else depending on your variant :P	23:42
X-Fade	Stskeeps: That is what	23:42
ruskie	hmm so the new SDK borks stuff	23:42
ruskie	fin	23:42
X-Fade	\| is for ;)	23:42
ruskie	erm fun	23:42
ruskie	when can we get Mer on the n900 already again?	23:42
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: ? :)	23:43
Stskeeps	ruskie: go test it, i just put out a url	23:43
MohammadAG	thanks ruskie	23:43
Stskeeps	X-Fade: we -really- didn't have this problem back in diablo?	23:43
X-Fade	Stskeeps: We can add the variants automatically.	23:43
ruskie	Stskeeps, got a link and any info on what is supported?	23:43
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, fixed line widths.	23:43
Stskeeps	ruskie: no	23:43
X-Fade	Stskeeps: We did, but didn't check/care.	23:43
ruskie	Stskeeps, planing to?	23:43
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, you don't need to manually wrap on Talk. :P	23:43
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Yeam pasted from wrapped mail ;)	23:43
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SyncA	is there a list somewere with all the applications in extras extras/testing with an explanation of what that app does?	23:43
Stskeeps	X-Fade: i vote for 3	23:43
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: And then that little box is just a pain.	23:43
wazd	konttori_nokia: around? :)	23:44
Stskeeps	X-Fade: it's the only sane way	23:44
Stskeeps	wazd: let me check something	23:44
wazd	Stskeeps: no I won't :P	23:44
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, what, you can't resize input boxes in YOUR browser? ;)	23:44
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PaulAnagrama	on N900, is there a way to setup a timeout for the internet connection, if i don't use it for ... say 10 minutes, disconnect?	23:44
X-Fade	I discussed it with konttori a bit, to see if we can get some changes in AM for 1.2, seems doable.	23:44
kamui	Anyone notice the touchscreen doesn't vibrate consistently?	23:44
ruskie	Stskeeps, lemme rephrase... can I do phone and most of the other core functionality of N900 with Mer?	23:45
kamui	sometimes I hit the screen and it vibrates, other times nothing happens	23:45
Stskeeps	ruskie: no, not yet, but will you help make it happen? :P	23:45
kamui	I wonder if its a bug, or another possible issue with my device	23:45
Stskeeps	X-Fade: something saying Dependancies: maemo-version (>= 5.0.2) is quite readable	23:45
ruskie	Stskeeps, I don't have a spare device for this...	23:45
GAN900	Broken ass log viewer	23:45
X-Fade	Stskeeps: Yes and AM can even present incompatibility nicely then.	23:46
ruskie	Stskeeps, I'll help alpha and beta test once call and sms(I'm assuming everything else will be there by then) will be there	23:46
GAN900	Stskeeps, I only worry about forcing people into 1.1	23:46
GAN900	What with the CMT stuff and the bugs.	23:46
X-Fade	GAN900: I did too, but you can also say now.	23:46
Stskeeps	GAN900: not upgrading only adds workload	23:46
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X-Fade	GAN900: And we have to go by the idea that if there are real serious bugs, there will be a hotfix anyway.	23:47
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, the biggest problem is that you can't rollback PR1.1	23:47
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GeneralAntilles	I'd be all over #3 if you could downgrade.	23:47
Stskeeps	wazd: you didn't follow instructions of try_it_out.sh	23:47
GeneralAntilles	Wish we had a timeframe for PR1.1.1	23:47
wazd	Stskeeps: huh? :)	23:47
javispedro	I vote #1 (javispedro always chooses the conservative option >:))	23:47
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: But most people would need to run newest anyway.	23:47
wazd	Stskeeps: is it possible? :D	23:47
xorAxAx	X-Fade: 3 is an issue for those that have third party versions of internal packages like modest installed	23:47
Luser	SyncA, you could read this: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages or have a script filter on descriptions and names	23:47
Stskeeps	wazd: yes, there's this thing saying "IMPORTANT" that you missed	23:48
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Going by the idea that non broken software is pushed out through SSU.	23:48
xorAxAx	X-Fade: e.g. ruskie provides ones without providing mp-fremantle-generic-pr	23:48
ruskie	???	23:48
X-Fade	xorAxAx: Those are out of luck anyway.	23:48
ruskie	what what?	23:48
xorAxAx	X-Fade: also there are multiple mp-fremantle packages, right?	23:48
ruskie	sorry I'm hardly paying any attention	23:48
xorAxAx	ruskie: i think i am confusing you	23:49
wazd	Stskeeps: meh :)	23:49
xorAxAx	it was jebba with the custom modest, nor? one of you both	23:49
javispedro	btw, what about "4. nicer error messages in h-a-m when dependency on system package version cannot be resolved"	23:49
SyncA	Luser, thx will give it a go	23:49
Stskeeps	wazd: Theme name first letter should be lowercase or uppercase to Theme directory first letter	23:49
X-Fade	xorAxAx: Actual implementation needs to be discussed of course. But we control almost every part of that chain.	23:49
ruskie	it was me	23:49
ruskie	but that was for 1.0	23:49
wazd	Stskeeps: yeah, I usually do that :P	23:49
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javispedro	do shlibdeps work in maemo?	23:49
Stskeeps	wazd: as in, directory naem should be marina and theme name should be Marina	23:49
kamui	dood, no icon for abiword ;(	23:49
X-Fade	javispedro: Those add the problem atm.	23:49
ruskie	now I'll probably have to use the dummy packages and then install an alt-$pkg	23:49
kamui	guess I could always just make a desktop icon for it	23:50
wazd	Stskeeps: ah, and that ruins everything? :)	23:50
PaulAnagrama	seems like there is no timeout setting for the internet connection, right? what about this one, is there a way to search in Ovi Maps the addresses that are entered in the address book?	23:50
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xorAxAx	X-Fade: what is maemo-version?	23:50
Stskeeps	wazd: i fell down my chair when someone explained me the issue	23:50
X-Fade	xorAxAx: SDK	23:50
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X-Fade	We want extras apps to work in sdk too.	23:50
wazd	Stskeeps: sounds really weird :)	23:50
xorAxAx	X-Fade: indeed	23:50
pupnik	Mouse On Mars - Schlecktron	23:50
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Stskeeps	wazd: that just made me want to scrap Gtk+ :P	23:51
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X-Fade	xorAxAx: Give me some credit, I gave it some thought ;)	23:51
Stskeeps	wazd: you can solve it by re-running try_it_out.sh	23:51
Stskeeps	wazd: IMPORTANT: If your theme name has first letter upper case, this directory name must have first letter lower case!	23:51
Stskeeps	wazd: IMPORTANT: If your theme name has first letter lower case, this directory name must have first letter upper case!	23:51
Stskeeps	wazd: for directory name	23:51
Stskeeps	:P	23:51
javispedro	Option #5. Do whatever the Ovi Store does	23:52
Stskeeps	javispedro: ah, good one	23:52
wazd	Stskeeps: aaaah, get lost :D	23:52
X-Fade	They run repository for each version.	23:52
javispedro	O.o	23:52
Stskeeps	really? :P	23:52
X-Fade	Which is.. lame	23:52
xorAxAx	looks to me that marina still has bugs in it	23:52
wazd	Stskeeps: I mean get "LOST" season 5 somewhere :P	23:52
GeneralAntilles	javispedro, that sounds like a terrible idea.	23:52
GeneralAntilles	javispedro, we've already seen their idea of content protection.	23:53
VDVsx	<trolling>Option #6 Ask at TMO and wait until the discussion stops :D </trolling>	23:53
* ruskie goes to bed		23:53
X-Fade	I haven't spoken to any ovi people. They're not really out in the open :(	23:53
xorAxAx	i wonder who is using chat.ovi.com	23:53
javispedro	hm.	23:54
javispedro	Is the autobuilder already using PR1.1 packages?	23:54
javispedro	cause I'm at PR1.0 and haven't had any problems so far...	23:54
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GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, I'd be embarrassed to be them too. ;)	23:54
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SyncA	Luser, not quite readable as is, any hint on that script?	23:55
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Stskeeps	X-Fade: 3) is by far the sanest. implement with post-build step that stamps a dependancy on the deb	23:55
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MohammadAG	xvid not supported on the n900?	23:56
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X-Fade	And AM would then automatically force you to upgrade, it should be changed to present you with an explanation and a question if you want to upgrade your firmware or cancel.	23:58
wirelessdreamer	MohammadAG: I watch xvid encoded videos all the time on my n900	23:59
wirelessdreamer	with the built in media player	23:59
MohammadAG	extra codecs package installed?	23:59
X-Fade	Stskeeps: The only thing I hate about it is that we then change the deb, which is a bit of a not so nice thing.	23:59
MohammadAG	i think it's causing the problems	23:59
javispedro	if you're going to change h-a-m anyway,	23:59
javispedro	it could detect you're depending on a newer "system" lib	23:59
javispedro	and then force you to upgrade	23:59

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