IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2010-01-17

ruied	jebba: http://espejo.freemoe.org/repository.maemo.org/	00:00
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crashanddie	sup	00:00
crashanddie	dns	00:00
jebba	ruied: you can't go there in a web browser or you can't use it as a deb src? What "deb" line did you use?	00:00
DocScrutinizer	jebba: lists down. confirmed	00:01
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles: I put in action what you asked, unless the tmo thread changes to go towards finding a solution, I'm going to close it	00:01
jebba	deb http://espejo.freemoe.org/repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free <--- ruied, like that	00:01
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles: re: maemo-community downpour	00:01
GeneralAntilles	crashanddie, it's funny that Off Topic threads don't show Thanks but still count existing ones.	00:01
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles: eh?	00:02
Gadgetoid	jebba yeah i was a dummy and left non-free in :)	00:02
ruied	jebba: I can go there in web browser, added it to maemo catalogs but when I upate at my n900 i fails ("could not connect to repository....")	00:02
GeneralAntilles	crashanddie, the thread you moved still counts all the Thanks! I got, it just doesn't show them.	00:02
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crashanddie	heh	00:02
crashanddie	well, rightly so, no?	00:02
jebba	ruied: well if you can hit it in your browser, but not in your n900, something is just set up goofy in your n900.	00:02
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crashanddie	GeneralAntilles: just because people ruin a thread after you've posted shouldn't mean your post is suddenly bad	00:03
wackl	redeeman: hm, only found references to osso-media-server, which is running on the device	00:03
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GeneralAntilles	crashanddie, well, I think it should at least still show them.	00:03
crashanddie	good point	00:03
xorAxAx	the n900 is supposed to switch to the phone app when turning to portrait orientation, right? doesnt work for me. anybody have an idea?	00:03
Gadgetoid	thanks a butt-ton jebba... i got easy deb	00:03
jebba	ruied: do what Gadgetoid did ;)	00:03
javispedro	xorAxAx: you have to enable that in the phone application -> menu -> orientation sensor settings (or something like that)	00:03
javispedro	btw, morning	00:04
xorAxAx	javispedro: thanks	00:04
Gadgetoid	ruied if using app manager remove non-free	00:04
Gadgetoid	or it will fail the whole repo	00:04
xorAxAx	javispedro: i was searching for it in the system preferences	00:05
jebba	Gadgetoid: can you take a screenshot and put it somewhere of HAM and my mirror? I'll put it up as an example on that page so people can use it with HAM (just extras, not the others). If you have it set up with HAM that is.	00:05
Gadgetoid	jebba guess so :) i used extras-testing but saved your mirror url in the description for emergencies	00:06
Gadgetoid	i changed it back- will do a screenie of extras	00:06
frals	jebba: how much disk space does the extras mirror take?	00:07
jebba	frals: 1 sec i'll du	00:07
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles: 29C this morning at 6.30AM	00:08
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Gadgetoid	waah what is the print screen shortcut?	00:08
jebba	frals: 23G total. Breakdown here: http://pastebin.ca/1753999	00:09
Milo-	Gadgetoid shift, meta p	00:09
ruied	jebba hehe! I wrote "freemantle" instead of "fremantle"	00:09
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frals	jebba: cheers	00:09
Milo-	erm	00:09
Milo-	shift+ctrl+p	00:09
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GeneralAntilles	crashanddie, how's the humidity?	00:09
Gadgetoid	ahhh gives me 20sec to cap anyeay but thanks Milo-	00:10
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles: not too bad today, only 80%	00:10
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles: friday it was around 98%	00:10
GeneralAntilles	crashanddie, sounds like FL	00:10
crashanddie	yeah, seriously humid, very sweaty for sure	00:11
GeneralAntilles	How was the flight out?	00:11
gavin	timeless_mbp: microb is not firefox!	00:12
crashanddie	ok, london to bangkok was delayed due to snow and heavy wind, but I had 3 seats to myself so managed to lie down and sleep through the whole way	00:12
timeless_mbp	gavin: customers are stupid.	00:12
timeless_mbp	so are managers	00:12
timeless_mbp	i have to deal with both	00:12
gavin	I don't really see how customers would ever make that leap	00:12
* GeneralAntilles gives timeless_mbp a box of cookies.		00:12
gavin	customers don't know that microb uses gecko	00:12
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timeless_mbp	GeneralAntilles: do we have pictures of the n900 box?	00:13
gavin	and even if they did, going from that to naming it "firefox" is a pretty big leap	00:13
GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, we being? The Internet? Yes.	00:13
gavin	fennec, on the other hand, is branded "firefox"	00:13
SpeedEvil	gavin: it's all over the blogosphere	00:14
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gavin	"microb == firefox" is all over the blogosphere?	00:14
SpeedEvil	well - it was	00:14
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jebba	dang, i was hoping I had a good explanation of TTLs here, but nope. http://web.archive.org/web/19990209021131/www.verinet.com/dns/db.mydomain.shtml ( front: http://web.archive.org/web/19981201230543/www.verinet.com/dns/ )	00:15
SpeedEvil	I recall before the announce of firefox	00:15
gavin	that's news to me	00:15
SpeedEvil	that I'd seen it several times.	00:15
SpeedEvil	I of course now can't find it.	00:15
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crashanddie	gavin: http://blog.twinapex.fi/2010/01/02/mobile-browser-wars-nokia-microb-vs-firefox-fennec/	00:15
GeneralAntilles	gavin, I'm sad Fennec is now called Firefox. :(	00:16
GeneralAntilles	gavin, I really liked the Fennec icon.	00:16
gavin	that article seems to make a pretty clear distinction between the two	00:16
gavin	GeneralAntilles: you can always use a nightly :)	00:16
Gadgetoid	jebba... like so? http://gadgetoid.com/maemo/mirror.jpg	00:17
jebba	Gadgetoid: ya, like that, but i think the URL is wrong! It just has extras, but its really like espejo.freemoe.org/repository.maemo.org/extras or somesuch	00:18
timeless_mbp	gavin: isn't AntiPhishing support in FF2 dead?	00:18
jebba	isn't it? hehe	00:18
Gadgetoid	hahahaha	00:19
Gadgetoid	i fail	00:19
jebba	;)	00:19
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jebba	too bad whole thing won't fit there	00:19
Gadgetoid	although the screenie would never fit it in doh	00:19
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GeneralAntilles	gavin, for a variety of reasons, I think it's a good idea for Mozilla to maintain two separate brands for the two, though.	00:19
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jebba	i guess it will just have to be a "hint" Perhaps in red text i'll write over it with the full URL	00:20
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jebba	i could do this myself, but my n900 is way over there on the table way over there	00:20
jebba	oh no. it's on this tabel. haha	00:20
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jebba	Gadgetoid: i'll do it. i was being real lazy	00:21
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Gadgetoid	haha	00:22
woglinde_	hm upstart file for speechdispatcher	00:22
Gadgetoid	can redo anyway	00:22
woglinde_	I need to write	00:22
jebba	Gadgetoid: i added it. Thanks though. I'll want it there anyway.	00:22
Gadgetoid	http://gadgetoid.com/maemo/mirror.png	00:25
Gadgetoid	just love the fact i can do all of this ON the n900	00:25
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VINCENT_	are the repo extra and extra-devel still down ?	00:25
SouBE	what's wrong with repository.maemo.org?	00:25
Gadgetoid	will have gimp up and unning soon too	00:25
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Gadgetoid	anyone know how much headroom the easydebian image has?	00:27
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crashanddie	GeneralAntilles: it's never been so hard to find an estate agency open on a sunday... everything's open on sundays in London :(	00:28
GeneralAntilles	lol	00:29
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jophish	I wonder how hard it would be to generate a cubemap from the front and back camera data, perhaps updating in real time.	00:31
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Gadgetoid	jophish.... waaaah?	00:32
jebba	Gadgetoid: http://espejo.freemoe.org/	00:32
jebba	VINCENT_: mirror here: : http://espejo.freemoe.org/	00:32
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jophish	Gadgetoid, just my brain idling.	00:33
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oscillik	anyone know if changing the hostname on the N900 would break something?	00:34
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Gadgetoid	jebba you're officially king of #maemo today	00:34
jebba	heh	00:34
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RST38h	hehe, I know why tap paging does not work very well in FBReader	00:35
RST38h	konttori: Around?	00:35
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Gadgetoid	well that's now linked on my desktop	00:35
jebba	lets see. Lost mail on mailing list move. Lost bugs on bugzilla move. Server down on repo move. Hmm.	00:36
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red	RST38h: why is that?	00:36
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_cedar	hi all	00:36
SpeedEvil	RST38h: worked OK when I set pressure to anything under - IIRC 8	00:36
_cedar	so i assume http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php is down is as well?	00:37
Gadgetoid	tap paging is irrelevant... although using the rocker means holding your n900 upsidedown	00:37
SpeedEvil	Gadgetoid: no, it's not.	00:37
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trewq	http://www.pandamailer.de/?bettel=pimbolli	00:37
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RevdKathy	Goodnight all	00:37
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SpeedEvil	Gadgetoid: there are any number of positions where holding the n900 is uncomfortable - especially for long periods - if you have to hold your thumb over the buttons.	00:38
RST38h	SpeedEvil: Well, the thing will tap-scroll on anything it does not consider a stylus click	00:38
RST38h	SpeedEvil: but the touch screen is too insensitive to distinguish between stylus and finger clicks	00:38
RST38h	hence the problem	00:38
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RST38h	The two bounds that you set in config actually determine the STYLUS CLICK range	00:39
Gadgetoid	SpeedEvil .. the n810 remains close to my heart as made for fbreader	00:39
RST38h	So tap scrolling happens on any value OUTSIDE these bounds	00:39
SpeedEvil	ah	00:39
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SpeedEvil	Why else would you touch the screen?	00:39
_cedar	does anyone have the flasher-3.5 they could send me?	00:39
RST38h	All right, probably the only guy who can enlighten me on this is konttori and he is asleep	00:39
ShadowJK_	hm, ogg-support including dependencies is nearly 2.5 megs not optified	00:40
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Gadgetoid	RST38h i thought the finger/stylus tap issue was already known	00:42
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blandar	sad the duplicate MyDocs entries persist	00:43
_cedar	nm	00:44
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* javispedro finally sees an n900 "on the wild"		00:49
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jebba	s/on/in btw i think you mena	00:49
jebba	mean :)	00:49
woglinde_	hi javis	00:49
SpeedEvil	Or maybe...	00:50
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SpeedEvil	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Wilde	00:50
Gadgetoid	i will need a new phone if i see anyone else with an n900 round these parts	00:50
javispedro	hi wog	00:50
Gadgetoid	fortunately the Pandora has some assured uniqueness	00:51
SpeedEvil	If you want unique, I have a neo1973	00:51
Gadgetoid	my palm m500 arrived today	00:51
oscillik	lol	00:51
javispedro	the owner was downloading pr1.1... right on a mall.	00:51
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Gadgetoid	javispedo ... in a mall?	00:52
* torindel throws neo freerunner at SpeedEvil		00:52
javispedro	:)	00:52
SpeedEvil	woo!	00:52
Gadgetoid	on a mall? did you tell him not to jump?	00:53
blandar	yaay javispedro. awesome speed on drnok	00:53
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* torindel throws "almost working" android, gentoo, debian, fso neo install media at SpeedEvil		00:53
blandar	mappable diagonals soon please	00:53
Gadgetoid	has drnok been updatified lately?	00:54
* DocScrutinizer throws Openmoko GTA03 prototype boards ar SpeedEvil and torindel		00:54
* torindel evades		00:54
blandar	pr1.1 speeds it up a lot	00:54
javispedro	not, but I plan to do so now that my final exam week is over	00:54
blandar	thanks!	00:54
Gadgetoid	really blandar? i will have to reinstall it	00:54
VINCENT_	can anyone help my / is out of diskspace how can i solve this	00:54
javispedro	blandar: which build are you using?	00:54
blandar	-devel	00:54
javispedro	so, 1.2.5	00:55
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: there were protos made?	00:55
javispedro	the one using h-r-t. no flicker?	00:55
torindel	SpeedEvil: yes	00:55
Gadgetoid	Vincent_ stop installing shit from devel	00:55
DocScrutinizer	sure	00:55
* SpeedEvil hadn't been keeping up on those discussions.		00:55
blandar	no flicker noticed	00:55
torindel	SpeedEvil: you have neo or just seen it?	00:55
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blandar	superfast fullscreen	00:55
DocScrutinizer	even working prototype devices. exactly 3 afaik	00:55
SpeedEvil	torindel: I have one.	00:55
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: I guess that's the ultimate in rarity.	00:56
javispedro	blandar: it is still slower than the uncomposited build I threw somewhere some time ago (at least on PR1.01!)	00:56
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: (once you smash the other two)	00:56
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DocScrutinizer	lol	00:56
DocScrutinizer	all three are at werner in .ar afaik	00:56
VINCENT_	hmm oke i was trying out something	00:56
red	VINCENT_: shouldn't use devel stuff if you don't know how to manage diskspace for one	00:56
blandar	ahh? chrono trigger 28-30 fps and visually smooth. but sometimes i get excited and misremember real speed from last month	00:57
red	they can end up eating space/battery/bricking your phone	00:57
DocScrutinizer	I only have protoboards of an early stage	00:57
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Gadgetoid	even i've turned devel off for now... i think things are going to start moving along to extras nicely now	00:58
jebba	.ar customs has my neo still :(	00:59
javispedro	:( tablets-dev.nokia.com is down too.	00:59
SpeedEvil	jebba: :/	00:59
Guest41864	what's .ar ?	00:59
jebba	argentina	00:59
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Knightcz	and what's neo? :)	01:00
jebba	neo1973, the openmoko fone	01:00
MaemohammadAG	anyone else having 302 errors on -devel?	01:00
frals	MaemohammadAG: repos down	01:00
Knightcz	hmm answer makes another question.. what's openmoko? :)	01:00
MaemohammadAG	oh ok, ty	01:00
jebba	MaemohammadAG: mirror here: http://espejo.freemoe.org/	01:01
jebba	Knightcz: wikipedia that one	01:01
Knightcz	ok	01:01
DocScrutinizer	jebba: you got a gta01??	01:01
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jebba	DocScrutinizer i ordered from the first public batch, but never got it (the devel hardware testkit thing too). Got hung up in argentine customs and i just gave up.	01:02
jebba	i loathe customs.	01:02
DocScrutinizer	Knightcz: wiki.openmoko.org	01:02
Knightcz	y, I see	01:02
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DocScrutinizer	jebba: ohh shit	01:02
DocScrutinizer	:-(	01:02
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blubbi	hi all	01:03
jebba	DocScrutinizer this like 1.5 years 2 years ago? Forever ago. That thing is long gone by now.	01:03
blubbi	does anyone know ich mechanize for python is available?	01:03
blubbi	if not, is it complicated to package it?	01:03
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DocScrutinizer	jebba: 2 years	01:04
lardman\|home	anyone know if dh_link's package.links file can accept wildcards?	01:05
ivan4th	useful note: to make ssh snappier, it's possible to turn WiFi power saving off temporarily using the following command: iwconfig wlan0 power off	01:05
jebba	ivan4th: thx :)	01:05
ivan4th	(package wireless-tools)	01:06
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MaemohammadAG	thanks jebba	01:06
javispedro	on the n810, libicd-network-wlan constantly fiddled with that setting though	01:07
jebba	MaemohammadAG: cool. glad it works for you. Already getting a number of hits..	01:07
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fdv	repository.maemo.org doesn't resolve. is it temporary due to moving to new infrastructure?	01:08
blandar	javispedro, have you gotten a single non-us rover.sys from users yet?	01:08
fdv	ah. topic	01:08
blandar	ty ivan4th !	01:08
javispedro	blandar: nope. though I guess I should do a sample one with fn'd arrows.	01:09
jebba	fdv: http://espejo.freemoe.org Mirror	01:10
blandar	i have uk kbd and it works fine	01:10
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blandar	javispedro - is your drnoksnes screen drawing usable for dosbox, or complex because of many resolutions	01:11
javispedro	blandar: it's usable, though ugly	01:12
lardman\|home	mm, Qtoctave looks useful	01:12
blandar	ok. the losing mouse when going over edge is more important atm	01:12
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blandar	and the clicking on stylus tap could be somehow suspended by held key or toggle	01:13
ulewu	sorry, is a german maemo channal here?	01:14
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javispedro	lardman: dh_link doesn't seem to support wildcards.	01:17
lardman\|home	no, I noticed that, have given up and gone back to the postinst script	01:18
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lardman\|home	thanks for looking though	01:19
lardman\|home	:)	01:19
* javispedro has nothing to do since he had some time to reflash n900 but has found tablets-dev is down :(		01:20
lardman\|home	well if you're that bored, you could try getting lapack to compile... ;)	01:20
javispedro	fortran??? :(	01:21
fdv	jebba: thanks	01:21
lardman\|home	oh yeah! :)	01:21
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lardman\|home	hmm, I see numpy comes with its own version of lapack, perhaps that would work better (as numpy is one of the goals here)....	01:22
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lardman\|home	balls, damn repos down	01:24
lardman\|home	why are the repos down?	01:24
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microlith	isp screwup apparently	01:24
lardman\|home	drat	01:25
jebba	lardman\|home: http://espejo.freemoe.org Mirror	01:25
lardman\|home	what's the flag to make dpkg-buildpackage ignore deps?	01:25
lardman\|home	thanks jebba, but am about to head for bed, can't face fiddling with my apt setup atm	01:25
jebba	-d	01:25
javispedro	"-d"	01:25
infobot	no worries, lardman\|home	01:25
lardman\|home	thanks chaps, will see if numpy will compile without some python-dbg packages	01:26
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GeneralAntilles	That ISP is fail.	01:26
ulewu	does anyone know when the repos will be online again?	01:27
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javispedro	~seen Firebird	01:28
infobot	firebird <n=Firebird@pool-138-88-215-39.res.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 23d 20h 49m 48s ago, saying: 'julianoliver, look at step seven: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_on_x86-32_Debian_based_distribution'.	01:28
jebba	ulewu: http://espejo.freemoe.org Mirror	01:28
ulewu	ha... cool	01:28
javispedro	jebba: I guess you will end up putting that URL on the topic tonight :)	01:28
ulewu	=)	01:29
GeneralAntilles	javispedro, I can probably dig him up for you if you need him.	01:29
ulewu	u could put that in the channal-topic	01:29
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jebba	javispedro: heh. feel free to do so if you have ops	01:30
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javispedro	GeneralAntilles: na, thanks. I'll get to him via garage.	01:31
javispedro	jebba: everyone can change the topic iirc.	01:31
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*** jebba changes topic to " Welcome to #maemo \| http://maemo.org/ \| http://maemo.nokia.com/ \| Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council \| http://mxr.maemo.org/ \| http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog \| Happy New Year on behalf of the Maemo Community \| Repositories and mailing lists temporarily down, see http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/ \| Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/"		01:32
jebba	ya, i guess so	01:32
lardman\|home	~lart whoever uploaded python-numpy to Debian sid, looks like it can't be compiled	01:33
* infobot executes killall -HUP whoever uploaded python-numpy to Debian sid, looks like it can't be compiled		01:33
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lardman\|home	or at least not without deleting the diff.gz, tar.gz and dsc files anyway	01:35
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woglinde_	lardman	01:36
woglinde_	g	01:36
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woglinde_	whats the error?	01:37
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lardman\|home	cannot represent changes to source (lots of .pyo files)	01:37
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woglinde_	oh	01:38
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lardman\|home	drat, looks like python-dbg is needed afterall	01:38
woglinde_	seems her forgot too make clean right	01:38
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woglinde_	should be easy to add	01:38
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lardman\|home	yep seems so	01:39
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lardman\|home	I couldn't get ./debian/rules clean to work though	01:39
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woglinde_	hm?	01:40
woglinde_	I could look at it if you want	01:40
lardman\|home	can I upload it tomorrow?	01:41
woglinde_	dont know	01:41
lardman\|home	Otherwise just try grabbing the python-numpy package from debian sid	01:41
woglinde_	I want finish navit oo	01:41
woglinde_	jupp	01:41
lardman\|home	go for that, the cleaning bit is not high priority, would just be nice	01:41
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lardman\|home	jebba: The version of python in your repo is older than that I have installed for some reason	01:42
woglinde_	but I am fighting with speech-dispatcher right now	01:43
woglinde_	lardman I want git-buildpackage too	01:43
lardman\|home	ah, extras-testing	01:43
woglinde_	but some python-coolmake-doc packages have circular depence	01:44
woglinde_	thats fun	01:44
lardman\|home	:(	01:44
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lardman\|home	http://espejo.freemoe.org/repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle/free/p/python2.5/	01:44
lardman\|home	no -dbg packages :(	01:44
woglinde_	~lard all maintainers not using quilt	01:45
woglinde_	ups	01:45
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woglinde_	~lart all maintainers not using quilt	01:45
* infobot beats all maintainers not using quilt to within 2.54cm of his life		01:45
lardman\|home	phew, in extras-devel	01:45
jebba	lardman\|home: maybe you installed one from -devel and you just enabled the extras mirror?	01:46
lardman\|home	yeah, looks like it	01:46
jebba	lardman\|home: what version do you have?	01:47
* jebba hearts quilt		01:47
lardman\|home	2.5.4-1maemo5	01:47
javispedro	woglinde_: here's to hoping someone gets a masterplan for developing, testing, publishing and getting uploaded to the autobuilder a new debian sbox devkit :)	01:48
lardman\|home	hmm, some sort of error. Any thoughts? : http://maemo.pastebin.com/m35bc2ff7	01:48
lardman\|home	javispedro: +1	01:48
lardman\|home	ah, fakeroot!	01:49
lardman\|home	too late in the evening	01:49
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* timeless_mbp looks for someone who cares about English		01:49
Target	anyone know when dosbox keyboard layout will be fixed?	01:49
javispedro	Target: what?	01:50
DangerMaus	lol timeless_mbp	01:50
timeless_mbp	DangerMaus: ??	01:50
DangerMaus	cares bout english on irc?	01:50
DangerMaus	not likely	01:50
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timeless_mbp	you'd be surprised	01:51
w00t	timeless_mbp: try me	01:51
timeless_mbp	"Stream already saved as Blah Blah Black Sheep"	01:51
timeless_mbp	w00t: open media player, tap the third picture	01:51
w00t	one moment	01:51
timeless_mbp	tap any item in the list	01:51
timeless_mbp	tap the title area	01:51
timeless_mbp	tap the Save... button	01:51
* timeless_mbp sighs		01:52
timeless_mbp	in general, error messages are an indication of a dumb user interface designers	01:52
timeless_mbp	-s	01:52
w00t	hm	01:52
w00t	this is FM radio, right?	01:52
w00t	er.. sorry, not feeling well	01:52
w00t	s/FM/internet/	01:52
timeless_mbp	yes	01:53
w00t	anyway, assuming it is, I have no save option on the title menu	01:53
Target	javispedro, the dos emulator for the N900, the keyboard layout is messed up	01:53
DangerMaus	hehe error for something already saved... lol	01:53
w00t	FM transmitter, add radio bookmark	01:53
Target	javispedro, can't enter numeric etc	01:53
timeless_mbp	w00t: ok, add radio bookmark	01:53
lardman\|home	whoa, python builds are messy, judging by this one anyway	01:53
javispedro	Target: ah, you haven't read about rover.sys?	01:53
Target	errr, I guess not? :-)	01:53
Target	I'll go google, thx for the hint	01:53
w00t	stream already bookmarked under 'blah blah blah'	01:53
timeless_mbp	picky	01:53
timeless_mbp	w00t: right	01:53
timeless_mbp	so...	01:53
w00t	it seems a ..bit retarded that it offered me the option to bookmark something that is already bookmarked	01:54
w00t	'remove from bookmarks' would be more useful	01:54
DangerMaus	or save something that is already saved	01:54
Target	javispedro, thanks for the info, I think I'll get it working now :)	01:54
lardman\|home	hmm, curious, it just built quite happily	01:54
lardman\|home	well that's good news anyway	01:55
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corecode	seems newegg never shipped my phone :/	01:56
DangerMaus	like edit how its saved but not just a save button that then spews an error timeless_mbp	01:56
corecode	sadness	01:56
timeless_mbp	w00t: i'm going to file a bug about add	01:56
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timeless_mbp	if you want to file a bug asking for edit or delete	01:56
timeless_mbp	you can	01:56
corecode	anybody have reasonable prices in europe?	01:56
timeless_mbp	but that requires too much intelligence for these people	01:56
lardman\|home	bed time, night all	01:56
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timeless_mbp	corecode: very funny	01:56
timeless_mbp	this is Europe you're talking about, right?	01:56
corecode	yea	01:56
timeless_mbp	... very funny	01:57
corecode	is it that nokia is selling the phones in europe at a higher price?	01:57
corecode	or do dealers just take more?	01:57
corecode	mm dell is selling it for $530	01:57
timeless_mbp	corecode: Europe has this thing called VAT	01:58
corecode	i'm in switzerland	01:58
corecode	7.6%	01:58
corecode	not really much	01:58
timeless_mbp	which generally is much higher than the thing we call Sales Tax in the USA	01:58
SpeedEvil	timeless: t's not really only that.	01:58
timeless_mbp	then there's the Currency Conversion	01:58
timeless_mbp	and Cost of Living	01:58
timeless_mbp	the Euro is more valuable	01:59
corecode	and free shipping	01:59
timeless_mbp	and there's the market factor	01:59
timeless_mbp	if someone tried to sell a phone in the USA for 1500 USD	01:59
timeless_mbp	no one would buy it	01:59
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corecode	i wonder whether they would ship to europe	01:59
javispedro	.. eBay?	01:59
timeless_mbp	corecode: you'll probably need to pay import duty :)	01:59
corecode	timeless_mbp: that's alright, still quite cheap	01:59
timeless_mbp	corecode: i'm not saying you shouldn't ;-)	02:00
SpeedEvil	The nokia n900 is 499 pounds sterling.	02:00
corecode	$530+$40	02:00
corecode	oh god	02:00
w00t	that also means shipping back to US if you have problems, though	02:00
* Xisdibik buys the 1500 USD phone just because... it would be 1500 USD of awesome?		02:00
corecode	w00t: yea	02:00
corecode	newegg fucked up	02:00
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SpeedEvil	Which is $645 - US dollars - taking off the tax	02:01
corecode	why are there no US stores that mail to europe	02:01
SpeedEvil	That is the nokia.co.uk price	02:01
SpeedEvil	(with free ship)	02:01
KenYoung	Is there anyone online who is familiar with the process for registering ssh public keys for a maemo garage account?	02:02
jebba	KenYoung: i've done it	02:03
corecode	i think nokia.ch doesn't even sell phones	02:03
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GeneralAntilles	corecode, because it's a waste of time and effort?	02:04
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GeneralAntilles	corecode, you realize VAT makes up most of the price difference?	02:04
KenYoung	jebba, I've received an invitation to become a maintainer of the maemo extras repository, however, when I enter my public keys, I get re-directed to the same page, headed with the message "this should not happen". Do you have any idea what I may have done wrong?	02:05
corecode	possibly, but i'm living in a low-vat country	02:05
jebba	KenYoung: probably garage is down right now. Lots of server brokenness right "now" (now being between right now and october)	02:06
corecode	so buying in germany doesn't help me unless the dealer actually does not charge the vat	02:06
KenYoung	jebba, Do you know if they will be posting an "All Clear" message anywhere, or if they are explaining their progress on the move somewhere? Does the server move seem to have become stalled?	02:07
jebba	KenYoung: http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/ sometimes has info. Or in talk.maemo.org or here.	02:07
KenYoung	jebba, Thanks for the pointers!	02:08
jebba	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=476973 is a thread about the work. Not much for current updates though	02:08
jebba	though all qaiku updates are from yesterday. Lots of times if things break on the weekends they are broken all weekend.	02:09
smps	corecode, i ordered mine from amazon.de for 600eur i dont think you'll find cheaper right now	02:10
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SpeedEvil	Anyone in the UK ordered from nokia.co.uk through topcashback?	02:11
SpeedEvil	I'm wondering if anyones had their cashback yet.	02:11
SpeedEvil	Supposed to usually take a couple of months	02:11
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corecode	smps: outrageous	02:14
corecode	smps: also, amazon.de doesn't ship to .ch	02:14
smps	corecode, hmm how sure are you ?	02:15
DocScrutinizer	corecode: (VAT) afaik there's some procedure to get back VAT for devices that get exported	02:15
woglinde_	~lart the flite maintainer	02:16
* infobot hereby declares the flite maintainer a troll		02:16
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DocScrutinizer	corecode: dealer issues a special paper stating the VAT and with this paper you reclaim VAT from customs	02:16
smps	i was refreshing one thread on talk.maemo.org and it redirected me to forums.internettablettalk.com <- wtf ?	02:16
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corecode	DocScrutinizer: i don't really live close to any german customs agency	02:19
corecode	smps: 100%	02:19
corecode	smps: only ships books	02:19
corecode	smps: no electronics	02:19
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smps	corecode, france ?	02:21
red	rofl at an Godaddy.com advertizement in one podcast	02:22
red	"I don't know about you, but I'm a huge hockey fan, and so is my friend Allison. We were gonna start a blog about the Stanley Cup and went to godaddy.com and tried to registed Two Girls One Cup dot com.... it was taken.. "	02:23
yuizy	:D	02:23
frals	lol	02:23
red	and in the end she says "please.. please don't go to two girls one cup dot com.. its not about hockey."	02:23
tybollt_	:-D	02:23
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corecode	smps: neither i think	02:24
svanheulen	red: I eat a chocolate candy bar every morning while watching that video	02:24
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red	so did those girls	02:28
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svanheulen	heh	02:28
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javispedro	oh hi Firebird	02:31
javispedro	I might want to work a bit on that SDL 1.3 port... specially adding a way to select between 2.0 and 1.0 GLES surface, possibly adding a stub renderer for 2.0, and adding some fremantle specific stuff.	02:33
javispedro	you're working on it? got a N900?	02:33
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nihil000	hi to all	02:35
svanheulen	hi	02:35
yuizy	javispedro: someone told me that you could know how to get VGB run faster?	02:35
yuizy	is there any way to do that?	02:35
javispedro	yuizy: other than upgrading to 1.1, none that I know of.	02:36
yuizy	:(	02:36
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woglinde_	yes	02:41
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woglinde_	finally I batteld speech-dispatcher down	02:41
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goodwill	?	02:43
DangerMaus	hehehaha	02:43
blandar	sounds fun woglinde_	02:43
woglinde_	yeah fun with packaging	02:43
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woglinde_	but should work now either with espeak or flite	02:44
woglinde_	now I have to shapen navit	02:44
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MohammadAGsBoyfr	MohammadAG you here sweetheart ?	02:49
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tux900	wtf is wrong with him	02:49
matthew-	http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs292.ash1/21955_232125202074_728682074_3299612_976103_n.jpg	02:49
matthew-	sex drugs and rock n roll !	02:49
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tybollt	hookers and ... nokia cell phones!	02:50
matthew-	;]	02:50
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DangerMaus	hoes and phones gotta love it	02:51
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matthew-	hoes and drugs	02:51
matthew-	and music	02:51
matthew-	and guiness	02:51
matthew-	;]	02:51
tybollt	mmmh yes guiness	02:51
bfree	the only Guinness worth drinking is in Ireland :-D and even here better to go to the Porter House and try the Wrasslers stout instead ;-)	02:53
matthew-	bfree: well it's same ;d	02:54
ifreq	better stay on rom :-P	02:54
matthew-	;]	02:54
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bfree	mathew-: what's the same? the Guinness? the draught Guinness outside Ireland is nothing close to the same. I never managed to even get half way through a pint of it in the UK in about 20 attempts in as many pubs :-( they adapt the recipe to the local market	02:57
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tybollt	bfree: Really? I've had guinness in sweden, norway, denmark, england, canada, malaysia (!), thailand and couple other places - I've to say it all tasted pretty much the same	02:58
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bfree	tybollt: yep. I don't know how many variants they have, but can say with 100% certainty the UK recipe is "adapted to the local market" (have relatives who worked in Guinnesses who warned me before I moved there, I didn't believe them until I tried to drink it)	03:01
tybollt	Probably takes an irishman to taste the difference: )	03:02
tybollt	:)	03:02
bfree	and I grew to love Guinness drinking some of the worst in the country in a dingy sports club so I'll drink any muck here :-p	03:04
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bfree	but to say something on topic, I failed to get the wmlbrowser addon to install in fennec/firefox (had to start with editing prefs.js to ignore version checks just to get it to really try)	03:09
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bfree	so any clues to getting a wap/wml browser working still welcome ;-)	03:10
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pema	repository.maemo.org is not resolving, is this due to the scheduled DNS changes or something new altogether?	03:11
woglinde_	both	03:11
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GeneralAntilles	pema, trouble at the ISP.	03:13
pema	dam, well looks like i picked a bad day to flash my n810	03:13
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pema	no trouble at all	03:13
tadthebuilder	hello	03:14
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svanheulen	pema: http://maemo.org/new/announcements/repositories_down/	03:15
svanheulen	make that news not new	03:16
pema	thanks svanheulen	03:16
KenYoung	svanheulen, That page is 404 for me.	03:16
svanheulen	tupo, sorry	03:16
svanheulen	..........	03:16
svanheulen	typo	03:16
* svanheulen hands fail		03:17
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pema	http://maemo.org/news/announcements/repositories_down/	03:18
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svanheulen	that's the one, heh	03:18
pema	news eh you missed the south, North - East - West - South	03:19
pema	it's the sun cross	03:19
pema	oh well, good luck with fixing the repo, look forward to reinstalling the apps on my n810, thanks for all your hard work guys!	03:21
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bfree	why not do something like setup a wildcard dns on *.repository.maemo.org and point country codes to local mirrors (e.g. ca, us and mx might point to a us mirror), publish an apt-spy compatible list of mirrors and promote it as "speed up your repo access" to spread the load and make it easier to work around a broken machine (drop it's dns records and let the wildcard take over it's load)? either way no mirror(s) seems a bit brave/silly	03:21
GeneralAntilles	bfree, there's an Akamai cache.	03:22
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bfree	GeneralAntilles: thanks for the insight. I guess that makes it messy to make it more resilient (but should let it handle load easier when it's ok)	03:25
tadthebuilder	im out of the loop, has there been any progress on mer?	03:27
tadthebuilder	im still chilling with an n800 that isnt collecting dust but could be more useful	03:27
tadthebuilder	(with no money to buy an n900)	03:28
GeneralAntilles	tadthebuilder, drivers are still being worked on.	03:29
GeneralAntilles	tadthebuilder, they're running and working, but there's still some framebuffer weirdness to work around.	03:29
GeneralAntilles	5.1 introduced some more stuff to figure out, too.	03:29
tadthebuilder	ah	03:29
tadthebuilder	I can understand that	03:30
GeneralAntilles	So, not a huge amount of progress lately.	03:30
tadthebuilder	whats the best way to keep up with mer?	03:30
GeneralAntilles	Holiday and whatnot are no help. ;)	03:30
GeneralAntilles	~mer	03:30
infobot	it has been said that mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer	03:30
GeneralAntilles	and #mer	03:30
tadthebuilder	gotya	03:30
tadthebuilder	i only checked the forum	03:30
tadthebuilder	and nothing was going on	03:30
tadthebuilder	though it might have been dead	03:30
GeneralAntilles	Nah	03:30
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GeneralAntilles	tadthebuilder, have a good holiday?	03:30
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tadthebuilder	I did I did	03:31
tadthebuilder	it was really nice.	03:31
tadthebuilder	you?	03:31
GeneralAntilles	Yep, had a nice quiet one with the immediate family.	03:31
tadthebuilder	yeah same here	03:32
tadthebuilder	been really busy of course, Christmas time is a very busy time in my profession	03:32
tadthebuilder	so you still really liking your n900?	03:33
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GeneralAntilles	I can imagine. ;)	03:34
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GeneralAntilles	My slide has gone another fraction of a mm more crooked	03:34
GeneralAntilles	But the latest update really sped the software up.	03:34
tadthebuilder	thats pretty cool	03:34
tadthebuilder	but the big question, worth the price tag?	03:34
GeneralAntilles	Well, dunno, it's a September 09 proto. ;)	03:34
GeneralAntilles	I picked up a DDP device for about $370 that my roommate is currently using.	03:35
GeneralAntilles	But, even though I haven't PERSONALLY parted with $500+, I'd say it's worth the price.	03:35
tadthebuilder	understood	03:36
tadthebuilder	im still waiting for a cheap one from someone who got confused by it to show up on ebay haha	03:36
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tadthebuilder	in the next month or so ill be closing on a house so I cant make any big spends.	03:37
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GeneralAntilles	Hehe	03:38
GeneralAntilles	Cool, congrats.	03:38
GeneralAntilles	(I'd bet you'll be able to find them for around $400 after February)	03:38
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tadthebuilder	maybe, might get one for my wife...and hope and pray she doesnt like it...im just kidding that would be aweful	03:39
tadthebuilder	lukc in here?	03:40
tadthebuilder	lcuk	03:40
tadthebuilder	typo...	03:40
GeneralAntilles	lol	03:41
GeneralAntilles	Probably abed	03:41
GeneralAntilles	You're guaranteed that she'll like it.	03:41
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tadthebuilder	well there are a few people out there that dont like it	03:42
tadthebuilder	though she liked my n800 and begged for it for a little while	03:42
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GeneralAntilles	Normal people, by and large, seem to love it.	03:43
tadthebuilder	unless they have been infested with the Icannotuseawebbrowserineedanappacitus	03:44
SpeedEvil	Random - the motherboard seems not to be an available spare in any of the vendors I've seen.	03:44
SpeedEvil	Is it simply you've got to buy a new phone if that dies - if you need one?	03:44
tadthebuilder	ive never heard of anyone replacing a mother board on a phone before	03:45
tadthebuilder	im satisfied with the ability to change a battery	03:45
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uhsf	I was thinking about buying a second battery for the Nokia N900 but Mugen Power is working on Extended Battery for N900 and will be releasing a 2300-2400mAh battery in February 2010 so I will wait for this instead.	03:47
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* jebba hearts netdepot.com		03:48
SpeedEvil	tadthebuilder: yeah - I was just idly wondering about spares policy.	03:48
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uhsf	Motorola Shadow Google Nexus Two really has nothing on the Nokia N900.	03:49
tadthebuilder	well if everything had a spare you could make your own n900 that worked on different freqeuncies.	03:49
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SpeedEvil	tadthebuilder: well - it's not that simple.	03:53
SpeedEvil	tadthebuilder: As you'd need to write custom firmware for the modem. Which is undocumented.	03:53
tadthebuilder	ah true	03:53
SpeedEvil	tadthebuilder: and almost certainly requires signed code updates.	03:53
tadthebuilder	forgot about the software part	03:53
tadthebuilder	and if your going to go to all that trouble	03:53
tadthebuilder	you probably have way to much time on your hands	03:54
SpeedEvil	I'm wondering about stuff like adding a compass and a gyro - which is an almost trivial mod.	03:54
tadthebuilder	that could be interesting	03:54
tadthebuilder	i see the compass as being more useful than the gyro	03:54
tadthebuilder	but I could be wrong	03:54
SpeedEvil	true - but both is as easy as one.	03:55
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SpeedEvil	(as they are both hooked to the same power source and I2C)	03:55
tadthebuilder	that would void your warranty	03:55
tadthebuilder	haha	03:55
SpeedEvil	well - yes.	03:55
tadthebuilder	i dont like to work with hardware that small	03:56
tadthebuilder	...	03:56
tadthebuilder	im afraid id break something	03:56
tadthebuilder	im fine with desktops	03:56
tadthebuilder	im okay with laptops	03:56
tadthebuilder	netbooks and below scare me	03:56
bfree	2300-2400mAh sounds good but not sure it's worth a new back making the device bigger though :-/	03:57
SpeedEvil	It does take a steady hand, and a good magnifying lens.	03:57
SpeedEvil	Much of the power gain may be gotten to some degree by software.	03:58
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GeneralAntilles	bfree, probably better just carrying a spare in your back pocket or something. ;)	03:59
SpeedEvil	If it supported suspend-disk, that'd be a no-brainer.	03:59
GeneralAntilles	SpeedEvil, wish we could get them to put a fatcap in there for battery swaps.	04:00
SpeedEvil	GeneralAntilles: well - yes.	04:00
SpeedEvil	GeneralAntilles: but software is free	04:01
SpeedEvil	GeneralAntilles: plus - you'd have to put it in lowest power mode with everything disabled	04:01
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DocScrutinizer	GeneralAntilles: that would have to be such a fat goldcap you probably would like to consider diferent ways to achieve that functionality	04:04
bfree	I wonder if it can't run on a charger/usb with no battery? but maybe a 2nd external battery to provide charging over usb would do (me anyway)	04:05
GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer, at the lowest power consumption the damn thing uses next to nothing.	04:05
GeneralAntilles	bfree, don't think it's wired up like that	04:05
GeneralAntilles	Though I've had Mer try to continue booting from the charger after dropping the battery out.	04:06
GeneralAntilles	On my N800	04:06
DocScrutinizer	yep. but how to make sure it doesn't leave that lowest state during swap	04:06
SpeedEvil	GeneralAntilles: gold caps are orders of magnitude less dense than the battery	04:06
SpeedEvil	energy dense	04:06
tadthebuilder	goodnight all	04:07
tadthebuilder	sleep time	04:07
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SpeedEvil	Assuming it's discharging at a rate which will drain the battery in 50h - for a 10s swap - you're looking at on the order of a 5V .1F cap.	04:07
DocScrutinizer	well that's not too bad	04:08
GeneralAntilles	50h is really short.	04:08
DocScrutinizer	I doubt your calculation though	04:08
GeneralAntilles	The N800 could run for about 30 days on a 1500mA battery at approximately the lowest consumption rate	04:09
SpeedEvil	1200mAh/50h = 25mA. 25mA*8s or so = 200mAs	04:09
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GeneralAntilles	OMAP3 has way better idle powersaving than OMAP2	04:09
bfree	bah, now I'm getting tempted to try and quickly remove/replace the battery while my N900 is on the charger ;-)	04:09
GeneralAntilles	Turn off the radios. . . .	04:09
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: you can't discharge 5->0V	04:09
SpeedEvil	GeneralAntilles: yes - if it's implemented in the same ways - IIRC the 800 did suspend	04:09
crashanddie	SpeedEvil: 0.1F is pretty massive of a cap though	04:09
GeneralAntilles	SpeedEvil, didn't.	04:10
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizerno - I was assuming a volt	04:10
GeneralAntilles	SpeedEvil, that was at regular idle.	04:10
GeneralAntilles	SpeedEvil, turned on, ready to be used at the tap of the screen.	04:10
SpeedEvil	And today I diddn't get round to finishing my current measury thing as I was fixing the cupboard under the sink to make it mouseproof.	04:10
SpeedEvil	meh	04:10
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go1dfish	that's rather annoying	04:13
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sheepbat	#emacs was getting this crap eaclier	04:14
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grishnav	ugh	04:15
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grishnav	we need an op	04:15
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GeneralAntilles	Love Freenode	04:15
sheepbat	someone needs to make the place invite only temporarily	04:15
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DocScrutinizer	urgently	04:15
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crashanddie	GeneralAntilles: set +r	04:15
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DocScrutinizer	thanks	04:15
woglinde_	intressting	04:15
* GeneralAntilles <- spam combat noob		04:15
DocScrutinizer	need to check my chans	04:15
sheepbat	thanks	04:15
woglinde_	seems a larger attack against freenode	04:16
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crashanddie	yeah	04:16
sheepbat	yes	04:16
crashanddie	servers dying all over	04:16
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villager	hmm, guess I haven't added flood protection my irc client	04:16
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crashanddie	your IRC client doesn't protect you from flood -- this is just people joining and leaving, haven't started talking yet	04:17
crashanddie	anyone can get disconnected	04:17
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bfree	ok, N900 definitely isn't wired up like that ;-) though it managed to vibrate when the battery was yanked so _maybe_ if that was disabled and it was in a low enough power state and you could switch battery quick enough :-p	04:17
go1dfish	there was a notice posted on freenode earlier today	04:17
GeneralAntilles	bfree, the big problem is that the device can draw more current than the charger can provide.	04:17
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blizzow	Anyone here have problems with the N900 headphones? The earbuds with the integrated jack are failing on me. Grrrr.	04:18
grishnav	where was it posted?	04:18
blizzow	I just got this thing three weeks ago.	04:18
go1dfish	there are bots posting urls, that cause a web based storm of some sort	04:18
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go1dfish	grishnav: as a notice	04:18
yuizy	blizzow: i have it too	04:18
grishnav	go1dfish: oh, right, duh	04:18
DocScrutinizer	GeneralAntilles: yep. but not if you don't vibrate ot tx on GSM	04:18
grishnav	go1dfish: is there any way to retrieve them after they've been sent?	04:18
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yuizy	blizzow: have you tested other headphones?	04:18
DocScrutinizer	and shut down backlight	04:18
smps	GeneralAntilles, charger is rated at 1200mA	04:18
blizzow	If I use regular earbuds it works fine. But earbuds with an integrated Mic die.	04:18
yuizy	yeah	04:19
yuizy	exactly the same problem	04:19
go1dfish	grishnav: I don't know of a way sorry, I can paste the one I received here though if noone minds	04:19
yuizy	happened after upgrading to 1.1	04:19
grishnav	go1dfish: or send it to me	04:19
go1dfish	09:46 -LoRez(i=lorez@freenode/staff/lorez)- [Global Notice] Again, for those that haven't been around, don't click the links that are being spammed into channels. You will turn your browser into several IRC drones and subsequently get yourself banned from the network. ChanOps, I suggest making use of the +r or +R chanmodes ( http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml ).	04:20
blizzow	yuizy: have you contacted nokia about it?	04:20
yuizy	no	04:20
yuizy	the problem occurred only couple of days ago	04:20
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SpeedEvil	http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=PB-5R0H104-R-ND - in principle - but it's huuuuge	04:20
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bfree	I just closed everything and disabled wifi (so it was inactive on 3g network). but the fact it vibrated when it lost the battery says to me it has some capacity	04:22
blizzow	yuizy: me too.	04:22
blizzow	That's a bummer.	04:22
bfree	the charger was obviously pointless though	04:23
yuizy	blizzow: have you upgraded to 1.1?	04:23
SpeedEvil	If the charger was connected - it's not quite clear that the energy came from caps - not charger.	04:24
blizzow	yuizy: yeah I did two days ago, but the problem didn't start until today.	04:24
SpeedEvil	without circuit diagrams.	04:24
SpeedEvil	And much annoyuing reading of source	04:24
yuizy	:o	04:24
grishnav	wonder who in this channel got the virus :p	04:24
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bfree	hmmm, will I try again without the charger connected ... I don't know, maybe :-p	04:25
yuizy	try plugging the headphones slowly	04:25
yuizy	so that you hear some sound in the middle of plugging	04:25
yuizy	and then plug them copmletely	04:25
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GeneralAntilles	Hey, kloeri.	04:25
blizzow	I haven't dropped it or anything. If I really mess with the headphones and press them sideways a few times., it works fine and sounds good. But then when I unplug them and re-plug them in it works.	04:25
blizzow	It sounds like we have the exact same issue.	04:25
SpeedEvil	The phone connector is not soldered to the PCB	04:26
kloeri	hiya GeneralAntilles	04:26
yuizy	yeah	04:26
SpeedEvil	headphone	04:26
SpeedEvil	It is connected by a spring.	04:26
SpeedEvil	if this is dirty, the above can happen.	04:26
yuizy	that's weird	04:27
SpeedEvil	On the other hand - it means that it's much harder to break the phone irretrievably by banging the headphone jack	04:27
blizzow	SpeedEvil: it works with regular headphones, just not the funky connector that's used for headphones with an integrated mic.	04:28
matthew-	Is there some ToDo widget ?	04:28
blizzow	I don't think it's dirty.	04:28
SpeedEvil	ah	04:28
matthew-	there was ToDo on all symbian mobiles before...	04:28
SpeedEvil	blizzow: do you have a case on it?	04:28
blizzow	SpeedEvil: no, it started happening a couple of hours ago.	04:29
blizzow	I'm going to wait until Monday and maybe stop by the Nokia headquarters in Mountain View California.	04:29
blizzow	This N900 was a replacement for my second N97 replacement.	04:29
yuizy	:D	04:29
blizzow	I really like the N900 a lot (unlike the N97)	04:30
matthew-	blizzow: Im really sorry to say, but Nokias HQ is not in Mountain View.	04:30
matthew-	It's not even close	04:30
SpeedEvil	Does it have a view of, or from a mountain?	04:30
matthew-	Bah, its not even American HQ in Mountan View California.	04:30
* SpeedEvil has a poor knowledge of .fi's geography.		04:30
matthew-	SpeedEvil: I think he just wantes to sound cool.	04:30
DocScrutinizer	matthew-: the maemo HW HQ might though	04:31
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matthew-	DocScrutinizer: nope.	04:31
jaska	.fi is pretty flat, no mountains here	04:31
yuizy	there's no mountains in finland	04:31
matthew-	:)	04:31
yuizy	;(	04:31
yuizy	:)	04:31
matthew-	It used to be in Irving	04:31
matthew-	but they moved to Miami	04:31
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matthew-	Never, ever in history in California ;d	04:31
matthew-	ever ever ever even.	04:32
zash	watup with the caps?	04:32
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matthew-	zash: What caps ?	04:32
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DocScrutinizer	well there was a job offer which said 'mountain view'	04:32
matthew-	blizzow: So, I think you got conned if you got your n900 from California.	04:33
* zash looks questioning towards SpeedEvil		04:33
matthew-	DocScrutinizer: Oh there are offices there, and they do a bit of RnD there.	04:33
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matthew-	i think the NPI's are there too	04:33
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SpeedEvil	zash: discussion of what sort of cap would be needed to do backup while battery change.	04:33
matthew-	but more from software side.	04:33
DocScrutinizer	NPI?	04:33
matthew-	DocScrutinizer: New Product Introduction	04:33
zash	SpeedEvil: cool	04:34
blizzow	matthew-: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=369+N+Whisman+Rd,+Mountain+View,+CA+94043&sll=37.758094,-122.519703&sspn=0.10233,0.214233&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=369+N+Whisman+Rd,+Mountain+View,+Santa+Clara,+California+94043&ll=37.404888,-122.055423&spn=0.001615,0.003347&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=37.404919,-122.055518&panoid=g40AOSi-es_E2qcNfRRULw&cbp=12,195.94,,0,-10.22	04:34
* ivan4th got ffcall tests pass after working around horrible miscompilation issue with Maemo's gcc 4.2.1. Next step: CLISP+CFFI; next: CL-GTK2; next: Common Lisp bindings for Hildon? Maybe CommonQt after that?..		04:35
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Elleo	I just realised that big companies should really start having their buildings constructed to look like their logos from above for better google maps exposure	04:36
matthew-	blizzow: yes, i've been there.	04:36
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: what you need isn't a goldcap. You need a fancy little plastic and copper contacs rails gadget to temporarily connect 2 bats concurrently	04:36
grishnav	Elleo: that would make it really expensive to change your logo	04:36
matthew-	Fairchild drive.	04:36
matthew-	blizzow: still not a HQ	04:36
Elleo	heh	04:37
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: or 3 bats, and a USB lead.	04:37
bfree	no vibrate when yanking battery while off the charger, so much for that theory ;-)	04:37
matthew-	BTW. does your device vibrate differently ?	04:37
matthew-	on different ocasions?:D	04:37
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: what I thought of is basically a means to swap bat in "zero time"	04:38
matthew-	blizzow: What are you googling for now?	04:38
blizzow	why people with small dicks are trolls?	04:40
matthew-	You tell us :-)	04:40
blizzow	'cause I have a small dick, dumbass.	04:41
matthew-	Ah, ok.	04:41
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GeneralAntilles	Highlight me if the spam comes back.	04:41
matthew-	blizzow: Well, condolences. But next time please get your facts right.	04:41
matthew-	GeneralAntilles: +r ?	04:42
matthew-	as in to registered users?	04:42
jaska	arr	04:42
matthew-	Didnt they change to ircd ...	04:42
blizzow	What fact is that?	04:42
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matthew-	blizzow: That there is no Nokia HQ in California	04:43
DocScrutinizer	matthew-: not yet	04:43
DocScrutinizer	in 2 weeks	04:43
jooseppi	my battery is dead, tried to charge it with an USB first, then changed to 240v outlet and now it doesnt even respond to that.	04:43
jooseppi	what should i do? it doesnt start	04:43
matthew-	DocScrutinizer: Ah, ok	04:43
matthew-	jooseppi: take it out, and put it in.	04:43
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DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: isn't that funny? I really feel like deja-vu wrt bat charging of flat bat	04:45
jooseppi	i charged it first on my pc usb, then took it out because it wasnt responding and changed it to 240v outlet and now it's not responding on that either	04:45
jooseppi	it's just dead	04:45
jooseppi	-.-	04:45
matthew-	jooseppi: If you talk to me here, more people can contribute and help you to solve your problem.	04:45
matthew-	damn i got myself poured half a pint of whiskey	04:46
matthew-	dunno if i can hack it ;d	04:46
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DocScrutinizer	jooseppi: you're repeating yourself?	04:46
jooseppi	i know im damn drunk	04:46
yuizy	maybe he had some too	04:46
yuizy	:D	04:46
matthew-	;]	04:46
DocScrutinizer	jooseppi: please remove bat, then after 30sec re-insert and hook up to wallcharger	04:46
sheepbat	<looks up>	04:47
sheepbat	oh, battery	04:47
yuizy	:D	04:47
jooseppi	not working ;<	04:47
jooseppi	tried to have it off for several minutes	04:47
DocScrutinizer	bats in my phone, eeeeek	04:47
jaska	a battery of bats	04:48
zash	battering batteries of bats	04:48
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matthew-	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DeuaE1t2PI&feature=fvhl	04:49
matthew-	7 year old surgeon	04:49
DocScrutinizerjo	jooseppi: it's working usually. It may need a remove and re-insert of charger plug, and then takes some patience as charging might happen slowly and without notice (aiui)	04:50
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jooseppi	have had it 30 min on charger, everything is working like it should except for the phone	04:54
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DocScrutinizer	sorrry. no idea then. maybe charger is broken? or your mains outlet no power?	04:57
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yuizy	or your electricity company went down	04:58
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jooseppi	one fucking question: six hundred euros and the phone doesnt respond when i plug it into a charger. 12 hours and i will buy a fucking nexus 1	05:01
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GeneralAntilles	jooseppi, huh?	05:01
* DocScrutinizer fails to read the '?'		05:02
GeneralAntilles	jooseppi, perhaps you got a defective unit?	05:02
GeneralAntilles	jooseppi, hardware defects have been known to happen. . . .	05:02
ShadowJK_	2 years warranty	05:02
DocScrutinizer	[2010-01-17 03:57:35] <DocScrutinizer> sorrry. no idea then. maybe charger is broken?	05:02
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jooseppi	thanks, will get back to you tomorrow. the charger is working fine btw.	05:03
jooseppi	but the phone is wasted	05:03
jooseppi	bye	05:03
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KenYoung	For a maemo 5 application, is it possible that needs GPS location information, is it possible to completely avoid dealing with DBUS if one uses the liblocation calls?	05:04
KenYoung	For a maemo 5 application that needs GPS location information, is it possible to completely avoid dealing with DBUS if one uses the liblocation calls?	05:04
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woglinde_	????	05:04
woglinde_	liblocation dont uses dbus	05:05
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woglinde_	only glib	05:05
woglinde_	good nite	05:06
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KenYoung	woglinde_, If liblocation doesn't use DBUS, how does it acquire the GPS data?	05:06
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ShadowJK_	from gpsd probably	05:07
* DocScrutinizer51 wonders how anybody can state 'charger works fine' when there's no LED or anything on that black block and charging is not working allegedly		05:07
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torindel	DocScrutinizer: maybe he got other nokia?	05:08
DocScrutinizer51	aybe	05:09
DocScrutinizer51	though I seem to remember he said he's drunk	05:09
torindel	xD	05:10
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DocScrutinizer51	anecdotal tale. the battery of my 6210 worked for 8 years 24/7 and still has 70% today. I have to say I virtually never discharged it to flat all those 8 years of usage	05:14
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DocScrutinizer51	common notion is that's impossible for LiIon. Supposed to be dead after 5 years. No matter if used or not	05:16
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KenYoung	DocScrutinizer, The temperature matters a lot, doen't it?	05:17
DocScrutinizer51	yep	05:17
DocScrutinizer51	and storing on flat. and deep discharge. both cause severe deterioration of cell chemistry	05:18
DocScrutinizer51	s/on/while/	05:18
infobot	DocScrutinizer51 meant: and storing while flat. and deep discharge. both cause severe deterioration of cell chemistry	05:18
bfree	lol, infobot does regular expressions :-p	05:20
DocScrutinizer51	not really	05:20
DocScrutinizer51	xxxxxxxxxxxx	05:21
DocScrutinizer51	s/x/xxx/g	05:21
infobot	DocScrutinizer51 meant: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx	05:21
DocScrutinizer51	;f)	05:21
DocScrutinizer51	s/f/-/	05:21
infobot	DocScrutinizer51 meant: ;-)	05:21
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bfree	lol, looks like perl regular expressions to me	05:22
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DocScrutinizer51	yeah. but it,s kinda filtered. So the better parts won't work	05:23
jebba	man, the outages are so common nowadays, people don't even bother to file the bug report ;)	05:24
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DocScrutinizer51	s/bet*er/xXXx/	05:24
jebba	how many hours have they been down?	05:24
DocScrutinizer51	jebba: maybe trac is down as well? ;-P	05:25
yuizy	test	05:25
yuizy	s/t/e/g	05:25
infobot	yuizy meant: eese	05:26
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yuizy	s/e/che/	05:26
infobot	yuizy meant: tchest	05:26
yuizy	:(	05:26
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goriofab	wath happened with maemo's repository?	05:30
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goriofab	what..	05:30
smps	go1dfish, read topic	05:31
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cityOfLights	hi	05:36
cityOfLights	how come repository.maemo.org is : unknown host ?	05:37
odin_	due to poorly planned changes to the maemo.org network	05:37
cityOfLights	odin_: oh, so what is the IP address?	05:39
cityOfLights	when will it be back online?	05:39
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odin_	dont know on that one	05:41
cityOfLights	thanks	05:42
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matthew-	ANY good ToDo planner ?	05:49
matthew-	foe n900 ?	05:49
SplasPood	I'd love something that syncs with RTM, but I haven't seen any yet	05:53
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SplasPood	hrm.. is the move related to why tablets-dev.nokia.com is broken?	06:01
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Elleo	SplasPood: NoLazy has RTM support	06:02
Elleo	(in extras-devel)	06:02
SplasPood	oh? I'll have to check it out when/if repository is fixed ;)	06:02
Elleo	there is a mirror at http://espejo.freemoe.org/repository.maemo.org/ if you're impatient	06:03
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uhsf	so I'm about to confirm my order of a Nokia N900 at newegg.ca and be part of your community is that good	06:27
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uhsf	now I think I will just drink a beer to ease the pain on my so desperate nerd soul who can barely afford such expensive product	06:32
Proteous	heh	06:34
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DocScrutinizer51	you'll forget that pain once you hold it in your hands	06:44
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goodwill	uhsf: I agree with DocScrutinizer	06:51
goodwill	uhsf: I went back and forth on n900 decision ...	06:51
goodwill	uhsf: but it totally rocks	06:51
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pwnguin	http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/16/apple-retaliates-requests-us-import-ban-on-nokia-phones/	06:51
pwnguin	good thing i got mine already!	06:52
goodwill	flipping APPLY	06:52
goodwill	APPLE	06:52
goodwill	back to their tricks	06:52
pwnguin	well, i gather nokia did it first	06:53
goodwill	both companies got to flipping stop doing this	06:53
goodwill	pwnguin: yeah ... but I dislike apple more :)	06:53
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GeneralAntilles	pwnguin, they're both pretty goddamn culpable. ;)	07:05
pwnguin	from what i gather apple bought some exclusive multitouch patents	07:05
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pwnguin	and nokia would very much like to offer a competing product	07:06
pwnguin	its not the first time apple's secured killer features as exclusives. the original ipod had an 18 month contract for all of the micro hard drives	07:07
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goodwill	pwnguin: thats strange ... cause ipod was nto the first device to use them	07:11
pwnguin	goodwill: you sure?	07:11
goodwill	ipod was not the first mp3 player to use them	07:12
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goodwill	it was just most popular at the time	07:12
pwnguin	name another one	07:12
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microlith	what other mp3 player used the 5GB 1.8" drives?	07:12
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microlith	The nomad was out, but it used 2.5" drives	07:13
goodwill	thats not how I understood your comment pwnguin	07:14
goodwill	maybe I am wrong	07:15
pwnguin	if microdrive has a specific meaning, im not sure what it is	07:17
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pwnguin	im talkin bout the original ipod design	07:17
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oscillik	the iPod wasn't Apple's idea anyway, an ex-Psion engineer sold his idea to Apple	07:17
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goodwill	Apple does not innovate .. they polish	07:19
oscillik	indeed	07:19
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microlith	pwnguin: if you ask me what a microdrive is, I'd point you to the compact-flash formfactor hard disks IBM created back around the time of the original iPod Mini	07:20
microlith	and other devices were definitely using those	07:20
oscillik	they were out before iPod mini	07:21
microlith	yup	07:21
ColdFyre	is it a HW or SW issue jumping from 2.5G to 3G constantly?	07:21
oscillik	i remember people trying to get those ibm microdrives to work in Psion handhelds	07:21
oscillik	back in 1998-1999	07:21
goodwill	ColdFyre: it sounds like the cell phone is detecting availablity	07:21
goodwill	ColdFyre: there is a plugin to limit it to one or another	07:21
microlith	oscillik: I wanted to get a 6GB one and stick it in a zaurus SL-C860	07:22
pwnguin	alright. well i cant source it right now but i recall reading that apple had an exclusive contract on the high capacity drives in the 1st gen ipod	07:22
microlith	pwnguin: not unlikely	07:22
ColdFyre	that plugin though, if it can't hold the 3G, then i have no service	07:22
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microlith	ColdFyre: t-mobile?	07:22
ColdFyre	yes	07:23
goodwill	no service?	07:23
microlith	off chance that your 3G signal is real weak where you are	07:23
goodwill	I use t-mobile ... I force it down to 2.5	07:23
goodwill	but then I do not really use the data services	07:23
ColdFyre	sometimes it will hold the 3g for hours, other times it's stuck at 2.5, i dunno	07:24
* microlith is still on AT&T		07:24
goodwill	I do not think its a phone thing	07:24
goodwill	I think its network availablity	07:24
oscillik	T-Mobile (at least in the UK) are pretty bad for 3G	07:24
oscillik	as well as Orange	07:24
goodwill	in US its pretty good	07:25
ColdFyre	hm, i'm in the US, silicon valley to be more specific	07:25
goodwill	sillicon valley should have good 3g	07:25
microlith	should, but this is t-mobile	07:25
microlith	AT&T and verizon probably have the area covered	07:26
goodwill	'WFM	07:26
goodwill	WFM	07:26
* ColdFyre shrugs		07:26
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ColdFyre	on another note, what is up with repository.maemo.org ?	07:26
microlith	server migration, isp dropped the ball	07:26
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ColdFyre	ah, i spent hours dicking with the dns on my phone thinking i broke something	07:27
oscillik	anyone have any clue when it'll be back up?	07:27
goodwill	at least 3 iphone users at work now want the next version of N9x	07:27
goodwill	N9xx	07:28
goodwill	after seeing mine	07:28
microlith	goodwill: co-worker of mine is drooling over mine, only thing holding him back is the price	07:28
goodwill	on top of it all they really hate AT&T	07:28
goodwill	they do not want the hardware keyboard though	07:28
goodwill	and I love it	07:28
microlith	hardware keyboard was a selling point for me	07:28
oscillik	same here	07:29
goodwill	me too	07:29
microlith	real easy to avoid the iPhone/other android devices	07:29
goodwill	apple is so stupid for not having a iphone version with hardware keyboard	07:29
oscillik	lol Nexus One - with added battery-sucking 'Live Wallpaper'	07:29
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goodwill	a lot of business users I know do not want to give up their blackberries because of the keyboard	07:30
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goodwill	not to mention lock down on activesync	07:31
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goodwill	a friend of mine set up outlook > gmail > net sync just so he can see from his local computer	07:31
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goodwill	he almost cried when he saw my bluetooth syncing	07:31
oscillik	only thing i miss android for is Google Maps, and Google contacts integration. oh and push Gmail of course. i really miss that	07:32
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goodwill	oscillik: ruskie has modest copiled version with IMAP IDLE	07:33
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mza	when's that coming?	07:34
mza	IMAP IDLE	07:34
microlith	my only problem with using imap and gmail was it synced 200 spam messages	07:34
goodwill	oscillik: also MfE works with m.google.com	07:34
goodwill	not perfectly but still works	07:34
oscillik	yeah. not perfectly.	07:34
goodwill	it will all be here soon	07:34
goodwill	I give it 6 month till its all fixed up	07:34
oscillik	tbh, just the fact that the email client doesn't support IMAP IDLE, that's a really big let down from my perspective	07:35
oscillik	if it'd support that, i'd have no major complaints about the N900	07:35
mza	IMAP IDLE and any kind of calendar sync	07:35
goodwill	oscillik: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie#My_repos	07:36
mza	well, decent calendar sync	07:36
goodwill	oscillik: I managed to set up successfull gmail sync	07:36
goodwill	oscillik: talk to ruskie first though ... he had some bits of info on it	07:36
oscillik	goodwill: i tried getting that to work, couldn't even add the repository. App Manager was complaining it couldn't access t or something	07:37
goodwill	oscillik: you need to import the ssl certificate	07:37
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oscillik	i don't remember reading anything about that in the wiki :-/	07:38
goodwill	oscillik: talk to ruskie ... he is around all the time	07:38
blizzow	What's the story with Vuze shares on the N900 media player. I see my roommate's vuze instance, but can't see mine. I was wondering how I might make it available to my N900.	07:39
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oscillik	goodwill: thanks, i shall give him a nudge sometime. i'm gonna head off to bed i think now though - it's 5:39am here :p	07:40
goodwill	blizzow: vuze shares? what service is it using?	07:40
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* goodwill loves the stylus		07:40
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goodwill	I just can not believe you can not buy replace ones from nokia	07:41
GeneralAntilles	I don't use the stylus much	07:42
GeneralAntilles	But the one on the N800 was top-notch	07:42
GeneralAntilles	First stylus since the Newton that actually felt good to hold.	07:42
goodwill	I like the fact that n900 stylus is flat	07:42
pronto	hrm, the camera needs a panorama thing	07:43
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blizzow	goodwill: I have no idea, I just see my roommate's vuze instance in the media player In the lower left part of the window, it just says "vuze on roommatecomputer" I tap it, and it shows no shared files.	07:43
blizzow	If I can have access to my desktop library via the media player, I would configure vuze to share it.	07:43
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goodwill	blizzow: maybe he did not configure it to share actual files	07:45
DocScrutinizer	goodwill: the finish site with spare parts lists sylus for 7.5 EUR	07:45
goodwill	dockane_: U am in US ... I doubt they will ship it here	07:46
blizzow	goodwill: I set up a "classic-share" on my own desktop and I still only see my roommate's vuze instance. I guess I'm more wondering if there is a way to choose from multiple vuze shares.	07:46
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DocScrutinizer51	http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900	07:48
blizzow	And I was also wondering if there is a way to manually refresh the media library. A bunch of files are listed in my library that are no longer there.	07:49
goodwill	dockane_: I think they are out of stock	07:50
goodwill	DocScrutinizer: thank you for the tip but I think they are out of stock	07:50
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uhsf	at least in the next few days i will have a nice and shiny new phone if someone ever decides to call me!	08:04
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fureddo	Anyone has the latest link to the Maemo 5 SDK installter?	08:06
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sylarpowa	hi all	08:33
goodwill	is talk.maemo.org now down too?	08:34
goodwill	hello	08:34
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microlith	goodwill: up for me	08:49
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uhsf	as i said earlier today i just think maemo.org is just painfully slow and has a hard time struggling with the increasing popularity due to the N900	08:50
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uhsf	i wish maemo.org upgrades it's hosting soon	08:51
microlith	it's in the process of upgrading	08:52
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sylarpowa	mmm is pyside broken?	09:04
sylarpowa	I get an undefined symbol error when trying to use pyside.maemo	09:05
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El_Angelo	be glad the channel isn't hosted on maemo.org	09:07
El_Angelo	or it would prolly be down as well	09:07
* Arkenoi wishes there could be a way to view short message details, similar to email header: originating smsc at least. my old nokia 9500 can do that!		09:10
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cold\cell	irc'ing from my n900 in a bar!!	09:45
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`0660	boring night at the bar? :)	09:50
cold\cell	everyone is on thier iphones	09:51
* cold\cell a;msot dtunk		09:53
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lcukn900	\me dislikes sunday mornings	09:57
cold\cell	aat night here	09:58
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LuciusMare	hi,anybody thought of porting vlc to maemo?	09:59
microlith	I think some people are looking into it	10:00
L0cutus	re	10:00
microlith	but as mplayer gets more optimized, the need for it will probably dip	10:00
LuciusMare	i dont think so,vlc is a great tool for streaming	10:02
LuciusMare	and aside from that,it is also a good player	10:02
cold\cell	windows media player	10:06
microlith	hush cold\cell	10:06
* LuciusMare stabs cold\cell		10:06
microlith	drunk people say silly things	10:06
cold\cell	;p	10:06
cold\cell	whp sai i was drunk	10:07
LuciusMare	er	10:07
LuciusMare	it is kinda obvious	10:07
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cold\cell	oh	10:07
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LuciusMare	moo pupnik	10:09
cold\cell	not sure if this old creepy dude is staring at me or my n900	10:10
LuciusMare	haha	10:10
LuciusMare	hm	10:10
LuciusMare	is hildon opensource?	10:11
LuciusMare	after hassles,i heard that all nokia gui things are closed source,and it would be a shame if hildon would be also closed	10:11
lcukn900	i dont think hildon himself is opensource, but his framework is	10:11
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LuciusMare	what does it mean?	10:12
LuciusMare	can i take the code, modify it and use it in my devices?	10:12
LuciusMare	(in case i would be a pda manufacturer)	10:12
lcukn900	go grab hildon	10:14
lcukn900	its not an os distro tho	10:14
lcukn900	its a component part	10:14
doc\|home	LuciusMare: check the licence for hildon itself. If it's gpl then you can, provided you provide access to the source as the license stipulates	10:16
* doc\|home guessing lgpl		10:16
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lcukn900	hey seb	10:17
LuciusMare	huh,uh.	10:18
LuciusMare	creative commons? O_o	10:19
LuciusMare	oh	10:21
LuciusMare	it was the license of the wiki page -_-	10:21
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pupnik	hi	10:24
pupnik	i	10:24
pupnik	dont	10:24
pupnik	google	10:25
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LuciusMare	your space key is broken?	10:25
SplasPood	enter works fine	10:26
LuciusMare	i see	10:26
LuciusMare	hm,when i am developing an app,should i use qt or gtk?	10:27
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lcukn900	luc depends on history and your skills	10:28
lcukn900	are you happy in c or c++ or neither	10:28
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LuciusMare	well, i cant code very much :/	10:31
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LuciusMare	*very well	10:31
LuciusMare	i want to learn	10:31
lcukn900	then it doesnt matter what	10:31
LuciusMare	hah	10:31
LuciusMare	so,let's give qt a shot	10:32
LuciusMare	brb	10:32
lcukn900	good	10:32
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slonopotamus	how do you use powertop on n8x0? it shows nothing except for C states because of lack of kernel config params.	10:34
ravas	#/join #maemo-devel	10:35
ravas	ps slonopotamus, that was not a mean way of pointing you to maemo-devel, that was just me mis-typing :)	10:40
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cold\cell	im sorry but palying with with liqflow whiled drunk is freaking sweet	10:50
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slonopotamus	anyone else experiences non-working enter is some programs in fremantle xterm? for example, search (/) in less.	11:25
slonopotamus	it prints ESCOM, whatever that means.	11:26
slonopotamus	ahha. bug 6009	11:27
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6009 "Enter" key sends wrong keycode to console applications	11:27
Stskeeps	that might be HIM shit	11:29
Stskeeps	:P	11:29
LuciusMare_away	same here	11:30
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LuciusMare	i cant even use space	11:30
bleader	slonopotamus: yes, when getting my screen back on n900, most of the time I have to use ctrl-m in mutt	11:30
slonopotamus	very annoying.	11:30
LuciusMare	so no bbs :(	11:30
LuciusMare	Stskeeps: i hope they'll fix it	11:31
Stskeeps	submit a patch, it's open source	11:31
Stskeeps	and openly developed	11:31
LuciusMare	heh..eheh...	11:32
* LuciusMare cant code		11:32
LuciusMare	:(	11:32
slonopotamus	Stskeeps, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6009#c9	11:32
povbot`	Bug 6009: "Enter" key sends wrong keycode to console applications	11:32
slonopotamus	everything is already submitted.	11:32
LuciusMare	slonopotamus: the patch?	11:33
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slonopotamus	LuciusMare, just reed comments 6 and 9.	11:34
LuciusMare	brb	11:35
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Stskeeps	slonopotamus: i don't think the right people to get the patch is CC'ed	11:35
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Stskeeps	well, inz may be or RST38h	11:36
Stskeeps	both have commit access	11:36
slonopotamus	Stskeeps, comment #11.	11:36
Stskeeps	ah	11:37
Stskeeps	good	11:37
Stskeeps	well then it's well underway	11:37
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__ibz	bleader: do you run mutt on the device, or do you use ssh+mutt to a remote box?	11:41
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bleader	__ibz: ssh + screen + mutt actually	11:44
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__ibz	bleader: i see. what do you lose by running mutt directly on the device? everyone appears to do the same as you..	11:49
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bleader	__ibz: well I do have a screen with irssi and I'm always getting it	11:49
bleader	so having mutt inside the same screen allows me to have mail + irc wherever I go without anything on device I'm using	11:50
bleader	additionally, there are quite a lot of phone service providers in france who aren't including mail in data plan	11:51
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bleader	it's like unlimited web (in a 500MB limit...) and 10MB for mails	11:51
bleader	or so	11:51
bleader	it's more an habit than anything else actually, I could use mutt on the device now	11:51
bleader	and actually with C-m working as a return for now, I'm not really disturbed by this, was just saying, I also have an issue :)	11:52
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__ibz	thanks, yeah, i get my device tomorrow, so can't help with your issue - i was just asking what the pros and cons were between running locally, and using ssh.	11:54
__ibz	irssi i can understand, but mutt+imap, doesn't make much sense to me, to run remotely	11:55
red	id imagine having irssi on at the phone would make you connect/disconnect spam all over	11:56
red	:p	11:56
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red	if you keep it on 24/7	11:56
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FIQ	Wtf happened tonight?	11:56
__ibz	red: indeed. and i understand that, but mutt+imap carries little "state"	11:56
red	damned Cinema 4D.. left it to render last night after working for hours and it had rendered 50 frames before going "out of memory.."	11:57
FIQ	mass-excessflood, d/c, etc	11:57
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Stskeeps	FIQ: freenode getting attacked :P	11:58
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FIQ	ah	11:59
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gilead	hi, I try to download flasher and image for my n900 but access to tablets-dev.nokia.com currently fails. Any news about that?	12:00
Stskeeps	gilead: probably connected to what's in topic	12:01
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lardman\|home	morning	12:02
gilead	stskeeps: possible. I would like to update my n900 but I installed so many extra apps that it fails	12:03
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Stskeeps	gilead: best thing i can say is to wait for monday :/	12:04
pupnik_	enjoy the outdoors a bit	12:04
_\|Nix\|_	Hey! What's going on with repository.maemo.org	12:04
felipec	anyone knows anything about the issue of the builder using the new SDK, and the web interface checking dependencies with the old one?	12:04
_\|Nix\|_	?	12:04
pupnik_	no	12:05
Luser	_\|Nix\|_, they are down	12:05
gilead	Stskeeps: I will. But today I have time and next week I won't :(	12:05
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_\|Nix\|_	Luser: sigh ... thanks ...	12:05
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slonopotamus	craaap :(	12:07
* lardman\|home updates sb apt sources to point to jebba's mirror		12:08
lardman\|home	but indeed, crap, bad time for the repos to go down, when people actually want to do work	12:08
* slonopotamus fixes stack corruption in his program.		12:08
Stskeeps	_\|Nix\|_: topic	12:08
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lardman\|home	otoh I can't seem to fetch Package lists from jebba's mirror	12:09
lardman\|home	what are other people using in sources.list?	12:10
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lardman\|home	e.g. deb http://espejo.freemoe.org/repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free ??	12:11
Stskeeps	no non-free on there	12:11
Stskeeps	:P	12:11
lardman\|home	ah yes	12:11
lardman\|home	Err http://espejo.freemoe.org fremantle/sdk/free Packages	12:13
lardman\|home	Unable to connect to espejo.freemoe.org http:	12:13
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lardman\|home	Failed to fetch http://espejo.freemoe.org/repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/sdk/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz Unable to connect to espejo.freemoe.org http:	12:14
Stskeeps	hey MoonTiger	12:14
lardman\|home	I guess that's my fault somewhere there	12:14
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frals	lardman: does he have the sdk mirrored? might only be extras/testing/devel	12:16
frals	uh, nvm, says on his page sdk is mirrored :P	12:17
lardman\|home	I get the same error for all the repos	12:17
lardman\|home	extras*	12:17
lardman\|home	strange, I can wget the Packages.gz file	12:17
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Shrik3	the repos are all broken	12:20
* RST38h moos evilly		12:21
RST38h	HELO lardman, frals, Stskeeps	12:21
frals	mornin o/	12:21
RST38h	Looks like I have resolved the FBReader scroll-on-tap problem	12:21
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frals	hmm, turns out "Photos" or whatever the image viewer is called doesnt show .wbmp :(	12:22
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cosmo	never even heard of .wbmp	12:23
ifreq	frals: and how common is this format?	12:23
Stskeeps	frals: gstreamer codec maybe?	12:23
frals	ifreq: someone reported that fMMS didnt handle it, so I assume someone still uses it	12:23
frals	Stskeeps: loaded it into a gtk.pixmap and it showed up fine	12:24
MoonTiger	hey Stskeeps :)	12:24
lardman\|home	hi RST38h	12:27
lardman\|home	anyone else got the mirror repos working for them in sb?	12:28
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timeless	frals: you visiting HEL soon?	12:29
frals	timeless: hopefully yes, date not set yet	12:29
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timeless	cosmo, wbmp is a failed mobile bmpp	12:30
timeless	from the idiots who brought you wap,wml	12:30
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timeless	anone here ever read the aemo5 hig?	12:31
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cosmo	timeless: ah ok.. i did some wap stuff back in the 90's but i've forgotten it all :)	12:32
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timeless	wise	12:33
cosmo	really terrible stuff	12:33
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frals	agreed	12:34
RST38h	Ok, so, for one thing, Maemo is unable to detect finger tapping.	12:34
RST38h	And, secondly, when they say "stylus not moved if it has not moved farther than 5 pixels" is wrong for our devices	12:35
villager	what would be different between a finger tap and a stylus tap?	12:35
RST38h	For us, it is more like 20 :)	12:35
RST38h	villager: pressure reading, apparently	12:35
RST38h	Actually, I can make it kinda recognize my finger, semireliably	12:35
villager	I mean, what would you use that distinction for?	12:36
RST38h	But it is inexact science	12:36
RST38h	villager: stylus (or nail) for selection, finger for turning pages	12:36
villager	hmm	12:36
villager	I'm sure I might want to use the stylus for turning pages if I had it in hand, but ok	12:37
villager	I figured the maemo way is to use a swipe to turn pages	12:37
RST38h	you can, there is an option for that	12:37
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RST38h	Not really, in fact FBReader code explicitely says "swipe = do not turn pages"	12:38
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villager	what does a swipe do then?	12:38
RST38h	nothing.	12:39
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RST38h	Maybe I can actually make swipe turn pages, not a bad idea	12:39
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villager	well, I'm not using fbreader myself... don't really have anything to read on it	12:40
villager	I don't suppose it would read pdfs?	12:41
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RST38h	no, but why would you read pdfs?	12:42
villager	when people make pdfs, they usually mean for people to read it? I have some documents in pdf format...	12:43
SpeedEvil	RST38h: I'm missing something. Why would you ever want a touch on the page not to change pages	12:43
LuciusMare	SpeedEvil: moving on the zoomed page	12:44
SpeedEvil	oh - I never use zoom, as it's generally insane.	12:44
LuciusMare	me neither ;)	12:46
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LuciusMare	moo	12:49
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RST38h	SpeedEvil: There are two types of touches: stylus and finger	12:54
RST38h	+ there is touch+slide	12:54
RST38h	They do not want touch+slide to switch pages	12:54
RST38h	scroll-on-finger-only is an option tat you can enable though	12:54
RST38h	but it does not work on Maemo because our touchscreen is kinda shitty	12:54
RST38h	now, even generic touch does not always work and I have found why	12:56
LuciusMare	wat?	12:56
RST38h	the reason is somewhat funny though ;)	12:56
LuciusMare	n900 touchscreen is good	12:56
LuciusMare	hm,tell us the reason :)	12:56
pupnik	RST38h: i can scroll through vgba maemo settings just fine	12:56
pupnik	i use fingernail always though	12:56
RST38h	pupnik: I am specifically talking of FBReader	12:57
RST38h	the lack of clear distinction between scroll and select in Hildon is a different thing	12:57
pupnik	ok thanks	12:58
pupnik	120hz 3d monitors 230 euro in germany. hallelujah ... finally	12:58
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pupnik	lcd catches up to crt	12:58
LuciusMare	woah	12:59
RST38h	when it catches in terms of color gamut, come back and tell us =)	12:59
pupnik	meh.	12:59
pupnik	my iiyama/diamondtron still works. so i'm keepin it	12:59
red	< RST38h> now, even generic touch does not always work and I have found why	12:59
red	< RST38h> the reason is somewhat funny though ;)	13:00
red	gif whye	13:00
cehteh	is the n900 touchscreen pressure sensitive? .. i dont see any app which takes advantage of that	13:02
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RST38h	cehteh: it is supposed to be but it is not really	13:04
LuciusMare	dear god touchsearch sucks	13:04
red	you keep dodging the question	13:04
LuciusMare	i dont want to use your freaking customized google, that gives you money everytime i search	13:05
LuciusMare	>:(	13:05
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red	that app is redundant anyway	13:05
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LuciusMare	not really	13:06
cold\cell	ponies	13:06
LuciusMare	its useful, i keep searhing through a lot of engines	13:06
cold\cell	damnit	13:06
cold\cell	still drunk	13:07
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LuciusMare	apparently	13:07
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red	www.googlegooglegooglegoogle.com is the winner	13:07
LuciusMare	lolwut?	13:07
red	whats better than google?	13:08
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red	FOUR GOOGLES	13:08
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LuciusMare	i think you meant "yahoo"	13:09
cehteh	RST38h: well 3 sensities would be nice already .. /me once added a 'pressed' state to the synaptics driver which can be used for some things	13:09
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timeless	anone here ever read the aemo5 hig?	13:10
timeless	anyone here ever read the maemo5 hig?	13:11
ColdFyre	gah	13:11
pupnik	parts	13:11
ColdFyre	is there a way to get an arabic virtual keyboard?	13:11
wazd	hello maemo	13:11
pupnik	hahahah red nice	13:12
pupnik	i wazd	13:12
timeless	coldfyre: what's the rush?	13:12
ColdFyre	rush?	13:13
RST38h	cehteh: let us just say that it is not a software problem.	13:13
cehteh	cough :)	13:13
ColdFyre	what rusdh?	13:13
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red	RST38h: so you are saying theres a design flaw in N900 touch screen, which causes the odd quirks?	13:14
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frals	timeless: i've skimmed through it, why?	13:14
red	RST38h: why just go on implying things, but not saying anything? makes you feel cool? should just be quiet, if you don't want to share what you know/think you know. :p	13:16
* RST38h sighs		13:16
red	my point exactly	13:16
RST38h	red: I am saying that the pressure readings from N800, N810, and N900 touchscreens cannot be trusted.	13:16
RST38h	Thus, any program that tries using these settings to do stuff is faulty	13:17
LuciusMare	stop,think and collaborate	13:17
RST38h	Furthermore, I am saying that the screen is so small that you cannot assume that the stylus release will happen within the 5x5 spot from the stylus press, like FBReader assumes	13:18
LuciusMare	where can i find a guide how to read data from sensors? (such as accelerometers, proximity sensor and such)	13:18
RST38h	Especially if the "stylus" is your finger which the touchscreen has detected god-knws-where	13:18
RST38h	Lucius: maemo.org Development section.	13:19
red	aye, thats quite logic. finger/stylus will mostly move more than 5px from the spot you push it down at when releasing the pressure - unless you really concentrate on it, and even then it will move few pixels	13:19
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frals	~curse osso_filemanager	13:21
infobot	May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, osso_filemanager !	13:21
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frals	not being able to open any path in it is.. :(	13:21
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red	wonder what it's name is, if you tried to launch it in terminal with gainroot?	13:26
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pupnik_	lol, the best thing ever is having an unpatched t-online dsl modem	13:28
pupnik_	you can see exactly what they are doing	13:28
frals	red: i'm doing a dbus call to open it with path as /home/user/.dir.. appearently it refuses to open any dir that is below ~/MyDocs (it seems)	13:30
wazd	daaamn, Eldar will never stop :D	13:31
frals	wazd: the WM7 stuff? just read that hehe	13:31
LuciusMare	where can i find a guide how to read data from sensors? (such as accelerometers, proximity sensor and such)	13:31
red	frals: tested with root rights?	13:31
red	guess you did, annoying	13:32
LuciusMare	:(	13:32
LuciusMare	please?	13:32
frals	red: since its a user-facing gui i prefer if it didnt launch it as root	13:32
frals	LuciusMare: http://wiki.maemo.org/Accelerometers	13:32
SpeedEvil	LuciusMare: search the wiki for the keyword	13:32
LuciusMare	thanks	13:32
red	frals: preferrable yeah, but guessing it might be the only way for now	13:33
frals	gonna try it as root and see if it works	13:33
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frals	didnt work either	13:34
LuciusMare	hm, i heard that n900's got a serial console... where?	13:36
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slonopotamus	meh, disks from ovi has very stupid ai.	13:37
RST38h	wazd: What? Predicting immediate death of Noia again?	13:37
wazd	RST38h: better :)	13:38
wazd	http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/17/early-windows-mobile-7-build-given-some-hands-on-time-incompati/1#comments	13:38
RST38h	wazd: Last time I checked he has been pissing all over some hapless "journalist" girl writing for a competing site	13:39
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frals	he certainly knows how to generate site traffic	13:39
LuciusMare	haha	13:40
thresh	ah, muldar again	13:41
timeless	i'm trying to get someone to confirm a bug	13:41
LuciusMare	timeless: what but?	13:41
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slonopotamus	wazd, who cares about winmo...	13:43
* LuciusMare		13:44
LuciusMare	wait	13:45
LuciusMare	nevermind	13:45
LuciusMare	i parsed winmo as something completely different	13:45
slonopotamus	:D	13:46
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Luser	is it possible to control media player from the command line? like go to next track. and what about volume control? on an n800?	13:47
red	brainstorming guide voice is quite Finglish	13:47
red	wasn't sure at first if it was a voice synthesizer or a person	13:47
red	:>	13:47
LuciusMare	Luser: maybe,if mediaplayer accepts dbus poking	13:48
Luser	LuciusMare, yes but I'm so bad with dbus..	13:48
LuciusMare	me too :x	13:48
LuciusMare	but let's just read the medpla manual pages or/and refferences	13:48
LuciusMare	(me wonders if he spelt "refferences" correctly)	13:49
SpeedEvil	LuciusMare: not enough f's.	13:49
Luser	ah I've found how to pause.. dbus-send --dest=com.nokia.osso_media_server /com/nokia/osso_media_server com.nokia.osso_media_server.music.pause	13:49
LuciusMare	reffferences?	13:49
LuciusMare	>_<	13:50
LuciusMare	you are just fucking with me,right?	13:50
LuciusMare	Luser: win,now write a script or make an alias	13:51
Luser	LuciusMare, well, I only found pause/resume. the script on top of it, I know how to do this. its just dbus that bothers me	13:52
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LuciusMare	google for dbus tutorial,or something	13:53
Shadikka_	ah, so that was what it was	13:53
red	or googlegooglegooglegoogle.com for dbus tutorial and the likes!	13:53
LuciusMare	or try to catch the dbus messages with dbus-monitor	13:53
Shadikka_	Wondered why I had a long line of "no such nick/channel" :P	13:53
LuciusMare	red: hush,hush,hush,hush	13:53
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Luser	LuciusMare, yes exactly what I'm doing with dbus-monitor. Now I have a hundred lines to analyse..	13:54
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LuciusMare	meh	13:55
LuciusMare	grep the ones with mediaplayer	13:55
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DocScrutinizer	google for mdbus. get strings and do 'strings /usr/bin/mediaplayer'	13:56
Luser	ok no binutils, time to use the mirror repo then.. :)	13:58
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Luser	DocScrutinizer, that's hardcore, I like it	13:59
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user__	hello	14:00
pupnik_	http://www.instructables.com/id/MintyBoost!---Small-battery-powered-USB-charger/	14:00
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* pupnik_ ponders just using 4x AAs and ignoring voltage regulation		14:01
LuciusMare	lol	14:01
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wazd	RST38h: well, that girl acts just like eldar actually. When I was talking with her she mentioned herself as Chief Editor like 5 times or so :D	14:02
LuciusMare	oy	14:02
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Stskeeps	the internet: where everyone can be a chief editor of your own shitty blog	14:03
Stskeeps	:P	14:03
RST38h	wazd: Well, she is a stupid pseudo-journo girl	14:03
RST38h	wazd: Not even supposed to behave as an intelligent human being	14:03
DocScrutinizer	pupnik_: that will fry your device	14:03
easy-debian-user	does the java plugin on easy-debian on the n900 work? the browser always hangs whenever i try to access a page using the java plugin	14:03
RST38h	wazd: I am not going to apply the same expectations to Eldar though	14:04
DocScrutinizer	pupnik_: USB Vmax 5.25V	14:04
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pupnik_	sorry i meant 1.2v Ni-MH	14:04
ShadowJK_	it's not like alkaline would give 6V for more than a few minutes anyway	14:05
timeless	frals, bug 8149	14:05
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8149 edit net radio station dialog (mp_ti_edit_radio) labels aren't left aligned	14:05
Luser	hum looks like diablo is not mirrored :( and binutils pulls libgcc1 which is conflicting with diablos one. so.. no strings for now	14:05
* Stskeeps ponders about the concert selection in poland		14:06
Stskeeps	metal and chippendales	14:06
* RST38h isn't sure what chippendales is but the name sounds uncomfortable		14:07
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GeneralAntilles	http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xu9mx_patrick-swayze-chippendale_fun	14:07
RST38h	Stskeeps: Is Gadget involved?	14:07
Stskeeps	RST38h: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chippendales	14:08
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RST38h	Stskeeps: <urgh>	14:08
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* RST38h would probably take a visit to the zoo over this any time		14:09
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LuciusMare	zoo?	14:14
timeless	easy-debian-user: it's certainly not supported	14:15
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timeless	... install debuging symbols and gdb	14:16
timeless	get a stack trace from gdb	14:16
LuciusMare	what's this easy-debian thingy anyway?	14:17
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timeless	obviously it isn't easy	14:17
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barfoos__n900	it a debian image you can chroot into and install/use debian packages	14:19
barfoos__n900	s/it/it's/	14:20
infobot	barfoos__n900 meant: it's a debian image you can chroot into and install/use debian packages	14:20
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odin_	how do you get a core dump from N900 ?	14:20
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timeless	odin: for what purpose?	14:20
timeless	it's a standard linux..	14:21
odin_	well "ulimit -c unlimited" is set so and "tracker-status" says "Segmentation fault" (maybe someone can try on their handset too)	14:21
odin_	maybe a sub-process SIGSEGV	14:22
timeless	odin: install crash-reporter	14:22
timeless	~ $ cat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern	14:22
timeless	\|/usr/sbin/rich-core-dumper --pid=%p --signal=%s	14:22
odin_	I have "/what/me/worry" in "/proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern"	14:23
timeless	right	14:23
timeless	odin: install crash-reporter	14:23
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odin_	need to lookup repo, as its no in the default ones apt-get has setup	14:23
odin_	I'll google in a bit need to grab a drink	14:24
timeless	odin: roughly you collecting a core dump by hand for a nokia process is a waste of everyone's time	14:26
timeless	crash-reporter otoh collects the core and other bits for you and sends them to nokia in a nice little package	14:26
timeless	crash-reporter otoh collects the core and other bits for you and sends them to nokia in a nice little packagealthough, in my case it collected 50 reports and forgot the 'send' step..	14:27
odin_	are kernel crash dumps the same ? I have not seen an Opps (maybe I never had one)	14:27
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timeless	crash-reporter can handle oops's too	14:28
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cvandonderen	Does anybody have an idea for an app for Maemo but no time to make it?	14:30
cvandonderen	I'm bored	14:30
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LuciusMare	how can i vibeate?	14:30
LuciusMare	urh	14:30
LuciusMare	i mean	14:30
LuciusMare	how can i use the vibration module?	14:31
Stskeeps	cvandonderen: tile cacher for Maep	14:31
LuciusMare	evolution and life simulator	14:32
cvandonderen	LuciusMare: that is an interesting one, something like game of life	14:32
cvandonderen	Stskeeps: where is the sourcecode	14:32
red	cvandonderen: oh yes :>	14:32
Stskeeps	cvandonderen: well, repository.maemo.org atm :P or garage.maemo.org somewhere	14:32
nedko	what is wrong with repository.maemo.org? i cannot resolve it	14:32
cvandonderen	repository.maemo.org is down for me ATM	14:33
cvandonderen	nedko: hahah	14:33
nedko	heh	14:33
nedko	:)	14:33
LuciusMare	and well yes	14:33
LuciusMare	desktop plugin for game of life	14:33
cvandonderen	LuciusMare: that should give me some experience with the platform too ;-)	14:35
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cvandonderen	the desktop widgets can be done in Qt right?	14:35
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Luser	so.. it's not possible to go to next track in media player using dbus as the playlist is handled internally in media player. doh I'll have to stand up everytime	14:40
LuciusMare	orly?	14:41
LuciusMare	i am sure you can,this widget thingy can control even skipping tracks	14:41
Luser	LuciusMare, yes, media player looks at the playlist internally and does a interface=com.nokia.osso_media_server.music; member=play_media and string is the url	14:41
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LuciusMare	hm	14:42
LuciusMare	and,what about the vibration module?	14:42
LuciusMare	i heard there is a notification plugin,but...	14:42
LuciusMare	cant find more info 'bout it	14:43
ewo	having a bit of trouble using rdesktop-cli	14:44
ewo	WARNING: Remote desktop does not support colour depth 16; falling back to 24	14:44
ewo	WARNING: Remote desktop changed from 800x480 to 1920x1200.	14:44
ewo	disconnect: Unknown reason. Error code: 768	14:45
ewo	anyone have a clue whats wrong?	14:45
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ewo	tried to change my windows to different resolutions and colordephts but it gives the "error code: 768" line every time	14:45
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xorAxAx	did ya google for it?	14:46
ewo	i did	14:46
ewo	no results	14:46
ewo	couldnt find a list of error codes for rdesktop	14:47
xorAxAx	thats probably a remote error code	14:47
xorAxAx	of the rdp protocol	14:47
timeless	luser: does the desktop applet really cheat for next/previous?	14:47
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* LuciusMare wants to make n900 vibrate		14:47
odin_	I see: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/crash-reporter (but can't see how you get it onto your phone? it doesn't show up in HAM under Devel section, and 'apt-get install' does not know it)	14:48
xorAxAx	LuciusMare: are you female?	14:48
timeless	odin: it's probably in the tools repo	14:48
LuciusMare	er	14:48
LuciusMare	i am afraid to say no	14:48
xorAxAx	LuciusMare: then why do you need vibration? :)	14:49
Luser	timeless, I am on n800. is there a desktop applet for diablo?	14:49
LuciusMare	i want it to vibrate in my pocket when i am heading my station	14:49
LuciusMare	so i wont miss it	14:49
xorAxAx	i dont understand, what do you mean by "heading my stattion"?	14:49
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LuciusMare	in a train	14:50
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LuciusMare	i'll set the location of my station and when i will be near,it will gently wake me up	14:50
Stskeeps	LuciusMare: good idea	14:51
Stskeeps	i often have that with bus stops	14:51
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Stskeeps	i think it's called vibra api	14:51
xorAxAx	i had the problem a few days ago as well	14:51
xorAxAx	because i was playing with my n900 :)	14:51
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LuciusMare	haha	14:51
timeless	luser: i don't remember, if there is (and there probably is), it would have come w/ the n800	14:52
timeless	so you just need to try to add a widget and select it	14:52
barfoos__n900	computers: for solving poblems you otherwise wouldnt have :)	14:52
xorAxAx	LuciusMare: good idea, i think i would take your app	14:52
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LuciusMare	http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/mce-dev/dbus-names_8h.html#bfa442c2dacb40670d4ef06a8c38d4af	14:53
LuciusMare	bullseye?	14:53
Stskeeps	LuciusMare: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36012	14:54
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LuciusMare	ay	14:56
lopz	hola	14:56
Luser	media player is closed source right?	14:58
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Stskeeps	right	14:59
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wazd	Stskeeps: any chance to see some Marina shots? :P	15:00
Stskeeps	wazd: you have an excellent ability to catch me when i'm unable to do anything :P	15:00
wazd	Stskeeps: :D	15:00
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wazd	Stskeeps: that's a gift :D	15:01
Stskeeps	i am seriously pondering to set up a virtual n900 for you	15:01
Stskeeps	:P	15:01
wazd	Warning: You are using an invalid section: user/themes!	15:01
wazd	While your package will not be rejected, we would like to encourage you to change your package to comply with the official list. More information about valid sections/categories can be found on the wiki page.	15:01
Stskeeps	what	15:01
Stskeeps	oh the madmen	15:02
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RST38h	wazd: user/desktop	15:02
* Stskeeps goes fix in template		15:02
Stskeeps	wazd: edit file debian/control	15:03
wazd	well, "move files to autobuilder queue" doesn't seems to work anyway	15:04
* Stskeeps fixes template		15:04
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LuciusMare	but,the only thing is	15:05
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LuciusMare	i am not sure if i can handle such app	15:05
LuciusMare	it will be a complicated job	15:05
Stskeeps	LuciusMare: write it in python and determine a way to calculate distance to a point or something	15:06
LuciusMare	i mean,reading the gps, and ranging it, where should it start and so	15:06
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Stskeeps	:P	15:06
LuciusMare	hm	15:06
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Stskeeps	there's python liblocation headers and quite easyt at that	15:06
LuciusMare	well,yes, i think python is enough	15:06
Corsac	hmmh, is there a “GPS coordinates” field in contacts?	15:08
SpeedEvil	LuciusMare: why not simply set an alarm?	15:08
LuciusMare	hah	15:09
LuciusMare	Because we can!	15:10
Luser	ahh I've found	15:10
LuciusMare	and, this solution is more elegant,what if the bus will be much quicker or slower?	15:10
Luser	socat -v tcp-l:6666,reuseaddr,fork unix:/tmp/mediaplayer-engine.socket	15:10
LuciusMare	anyway	15:10
LuciusMare	dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_vibrator_pattern_activate string:'PatternTouchscreen'	15:10
LuciusMare	works,while	15:10
LuciusMare	dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_vibrator_enable	15:10
Luser	from my machine: echo "next" \| nc ip_n800 6666	15:11
LuciusMare	doesnt	15:11
Luser	arrrhhhhh strace rulz	15:11
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Luser	i love unix	15:11
Gadgetoid_mbp	om nom nom nom samosas!	15:12
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LuciusMare	moo Gadgetoid_mbp	15:13
Gadgetoid_mbp	Ahoy LuciusMare !	15:13
Stskeeps	LuciusMare: i think API changed mid-way	15:15
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xorAxAx	LuciusMare: you can also echo into the proc file	15:15
Gadgetoid_mbp	dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_vibrator_pattern_activate string:'PatternTouchscreenRampagingRabbit'	15:15
pupnik	http://pupnik.de/wish_this_could_work.jpg battery packs could be simple if our devices could deal with 4.8v	15:15
SpeedEvil	4.8V is not what 4 NiMH AA's outputs.	15:16
pupnik	oh a bit more?	15:16
SpeedEvil	they start out at 1.45*4	15:16
pupnik	ah k., too much variation	15:16
SpeedEvil	http://www.livestrong.com/myplate/meals/track/?id=1380449&date=2010-01-17&servings=1&when=	15:17
Shadikka_	RampagingRabbit? XD	15:17
SpeedEvil	is what you want	15:17
ShadowJK_	(and drops to 1.2...1.3 something when/if n900 starts pulling 1amp)	15:17
SpeedEvil	err	15:17
SpeedEvil	http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8249	15:17
SpeedEvil	I mean	15:17
SpeedEvil	but the above only goes to 200mA	15:17
Gadgetoid_mbp	Shadikka_: don't google it	15:17
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pupnik	http://dimensionengineering.com/lvboost.htm 1.5A max for this booster	15:17
LuciusMare	what is the proc file.	15:18
LuciusMare	?	15:18
LuciusMare	and dont i need to be root?	15:18
pupnik	or use a nokia 12v car charger and use more AA batteries to source	15:18
Gadgetoid_mbp	pupnik: ....	15:18
Corsac	hmmh, and no way to bookmark stuff in ovi maps either?	15:18
pupnik	sorry for the noise	15:18
Gadgetoid_mbp	http://www.proporta.com/F02/PPF02P05.php?t_id=4662&t_mode=des&affiliate=gadgetoid	15:19
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pupnik	that handles the high-power charging spec for microusb?	15:19
Gadgetoid_mbp	It'll charge, but it wont charge a totally dead device	15:19
Gadgetoid_mbp	I use 'em to power a USB hub	15:20
SpeedEvil	It will charge a dead device	15:20
SpeedEvil	Look at the l3/l4 manual	15:20
* LuciusMare waves		15:20
LuciusMare	what is the proc file?	15:20
SpeedEvil	It charges at 100mA - from anything - with a completely dead battery	15:20
LuciusMare	and dont i need to be root?	15:20
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* DocScrutinizer mentions the charger adapter that seems to come with each N900		15:21
Gadgetoid_mbp	my travel chargers have been in a drawer for months, now, I've got so many devices I just switch to another if one dies	15:21
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LuciusMare	hah	15:22
LuciusMare	i think i get where is your nick from	15:22
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SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: I've got one of those open. lots of comple durface mounty. NEed to desolder the heatsink and do some more measuring	15:22
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: that sounds rather decent	15:23
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Gadgetoid_mbp	Haha, my nick derives from my site which derives from my love of all things gadgetoid	15:24
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DocScrutinizer	and you got a 1.8 and a 3.5 (both ??) barrel receptacle to take any there's-a-zillion 6V power supply	15:24
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SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: >20 components I guess. the receptacles are not soldered - just press contacts	15:24
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: chokes?	15:25
SpeedEvil	looking at reverse engineering the capabilities. Though today I will be working on kitchen furniture and baking.	15:25
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: please throw that shit on a flatbed scanner for me	15:26
Gadgetoid_mbp	Baking?	15:26
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SpeedEvil	Gadgetoid_mbp: I have 12kg of bread dough to mix, freeze into 200g batches.	15:26
Gadgetoid_mbp	SpeedEvil: Are you... a... baker?	15:26
pupnik	just makin bread here - how do you plan to get it to rise?	15:27
Corsac	a bhacker?	15:27
SpeedEvil	Err - 8kg.	15:27
SpeedEvil	I like nice bread.	15:27
SpeedEvil	I have problems getting to the shops.	15:27
SpeedEvil	Hence...	15:27
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ptl	hey	15:27
pupnik	same ;P	15:27
Gadgetoid_mbp	Fair enough!	15:27
Gadgetoid_mbp	I've pondered getting a bread maker, a mate of mine bigs 'em up	15:27
ptl	repository.maemo.org is offline, right? any way to use another repository or an IP address?	15:27
Gadgetoid_mbp	All the crazy shit you can put in bread, like cheese and pickle	15:28
pupnik	http://espejo.freemoe.org/ ptl	15:28
Gadgetoid_mbp	I hope jebba has unlimited bandwidth	15:28
ptl	pupnik: it has everything, including nokia-apps and nokia-binaries? I need to install those	15:29
SpeedEvil	Take one third of it. Add yeast to the dough. Let it rise, and bang it down till it stops rising and goes all alcohol smelling. Now, mix that with the rest of the dough and immediately freeze. Take 200g lump of dough out, put it in a silicone flexy small loaf mould, place in oven at 40c to rise, then when it does, raise temp to 180c	15:29
DocScrutinizer	Gadgetoid_mbp: I doubt it	15:29
pupnik	ty!	15:29
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Gadgetoid_mbp	SpeedEvil: I trust you own a chest freezer	15:30
Gadgetoid_mbp	Mine's full of frozen lumps of meat and samosas, couldn't fit bread in if I wanted to	15:30
SpeedEvil	Gadgetoid_mbp: I lost the paddle from mine. One key thing if you have one with the paddle at the bottom. Grease the shaft with margerine before placing on the paddle. Otherwise it will wear _rapidly_.	15:30
SpeedEvil	it's only 6l or so of dough - when frozen	15:31
Gadgetoid_mbp	Hmm, I am going to have to give this a try at some point	15:31
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DocScrutinizer	makes a nice app :-) add capabilities to read out USB or BT thermometers, maybe evebn a scale	15:33
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DocScrutinizer	and a shouting audi "mix harder! mix better! You lazy bugger" ;-P	15:34
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Gadgetoid_mbp	Hum de dum, now I need to cook something	15:35
DocScrutinizer	supervision by pattern recognition via front cam	15:35
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LuciusMare	Gadgetoid_mbp: i often cook my cpz	15:35
LuciusMare	*cpu	15:35
pupnik	better than a freezer full of samoans	15:36
Gadgetoid_mbp	Hahaha, I need to sell my old PC.. must be worth 5, maybe £10	15:36
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Gadgetoid_mbp	Netburst 3ghz+ pentium, dual core.. the OLD type of dual core...	15:36
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SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/	15:37
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SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: Don't joke :) I'm contemplating using my neo1973 for exactly that	15:37
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: you're incredible! thanks	15:37
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: microwave oven control - with USB camera.	15:37
SpeedEvil	(not great pic - I'll take better ones when I find my other camera)	15:38
pupnik	what is that adaptor for? temp?	15:38
SpeedEvil	Stupid tracker	15:38
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: just all my jokes contain a honest core ;-P	15:38
SpeedEvil	pupnik: that's the included power adaptor with the n900	15:38
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: USB camera detects peak of bread rising	15:38
pupnik	ah	15:38
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DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: sounds like a veritable app, yes	15:40
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: what's on the other side of the PCB?	15:40
LuciusMare	huh	15:40
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LuciusMare	How do i display actual accelerometer data on display? When i use while true do loop, the cpu is 100% on load	15:42
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DocScrutinizer	LuciusMare: liqacceltest	15:42
LuciusMare	er	15:42
LuciusMare	and how does liqacceltest do that?	15:42
DocScrutinizer	dunno	15:43
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: couple of coils, and a big heatsink covering the rest - and the connection pads for the spring connectors for the sockets	15:43
DocScrutinizer	coils. :-)	15:43
yuizy	444444444444	15:43
red	I need to borrow googles serverfarm for some 3D rendering	15:43
SpeedEvil	On a related matter.	15:43
DocScrutinizer	good	15:43
yuizy	oops	15:43
red	god my pc is slow	15:43
SpeedEvil	How the hell do I tell trackerd not to bloody index my /home/user/data	15:43
SpeedEvil	I've added it to the 'don't index or watch these directories' list.	15:43
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DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: seems we talked about that before. There is a config somewhere for trackerd. But it seems to be borked to some extent, not completely obbeying what's in that config	15:44
Gadgetoid_mbp	LuciusMare: 100% load? you might want to slow your polling rate :D	15:44
LuciusMare	Gadgetoid_mbp: i while true do :P	15:44
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DocScrutinizer	LuciusMare: so 100% is exactly what U asked for	15:45
DocScrutinizer	use sleep 1	15:45
DocScrutinizer	(alas messybox doesn't know sleep 0.1)	15:45
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LuciusMare	but i dont think that while true {read; sleep 1} wont help	15:46
LuciusMare	ay	15:46
LuciusMare	brb	15:46
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chem\|st	good afternoon	15:46
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red	how do I make the image gallery not to make thumbnails out of custom directories under mydocs? I have contact image thumbnails and I'd not want them in the photo slideshow thing	15:50
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TriztAway	red, I think this is about that: "<DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: seems we talked about that before. There is a config somewhere for trackerd. But it seems to be borked to some extent, not completely obbeying what's in that config"	15:52
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SpeedEvil	The answer is quite obvious if you look in /home/user/.config/tracker.cfg	15:53
SpeedEvil	but - that doesn't seem to do what it claims	15:53
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DocScrutinizer	for an alternative to dbus-* tools you might be interested in mdbus: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=python-helpers.git;a=blob_plain;f=mickeydbus/mdbus;hb=HEAD	15:53
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DocScrutinizer	not yet tested on maemo (afgaik)	15:54
chem\|st	what the heck... is midgard now down as well?	15:54
DocScrutinizer	also see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/mdbus	15:55
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tg	hm, wtf	15:57
tg	Host repository.maemo.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)	15:57
ShadowJK_	been like that forf a day and counting	15:57
tg	yeah noticed yesterday as well that i could not update	15:58
tg	what's the ip address? anyone knows?	15:58
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DocScrutinizer	http://pastebin.com/f52532339	15:58
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tg	kthx	15:59
chem\|st	X-Fade: ping	16:00
xorAxAx	but 80.248.164.237 doesnt seem to answer on port 80 either	16:00
tg	yeah, true	16:01
DocScrutinizer	I think there's a reason the DNS doesn't resolve anymore	16:01
DocScrutinizer	prolly they move to another box	16:02
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: tg xorAxAx tok.. something said some mount was broken and the DNS hang up it will stay that way till monday morning	16:02
DocScrutinizer	hmm DNS hang up doesn't explain the IP doesn't answer, no?	16:03
tg	mmhm	16:03
xorAxAx	maybe they disclose the IP only when the system is up completely	16:04
DocScrutinizer	If I were Nokia I knew the boots to get to kick the ISP	16:04
angasule	:( I can't get OSM data into mapper	16:05
ShadowJK_	kick the isp for what	16:06
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LuciusMare	for butts,apparently	16:07
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: by now the timeout of DNS caches is reached, you wont get any IP the one I had listed was the old one, also the server is down because of this failed NFS mount	16:08
wazd	is there any gui for imagemagick?	16:08
chem\|st	wazd: ???	16:08
LuciusMare	haha	16:09
RST38h	wazd: nope.	16:09
chem\|st	wazd: what do you wnat to do?	16:09
ShadowJK_	if it does come back with a new IP, the nxdomain cache time is probably much much lower, and then the new ip would spread almost immediately	16:09
chem\|st	my imagemagick gui: http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/	16:10
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wazd	http://www.solaris4you.dk/imagemagick.gif ?	16:10
chem\|st	ShadowJK_: at the moment the ns.nokia.com does not respond at all to me	16:10
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chem\|st	wazd: but not for N900	16:11
ShadowJK_	works for me	16:11
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wazd	chem\|st: I'm not talking bout n900	16:11
wazd	chem\|st: any gui	16:11
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chem\|st	wazd: there are some web-based guis for fontediting but I dont know any usable guis	16:14
chem\|st	at least not for desktop	16:14
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chem\|st	if you want a gui for imagemagick you might just use gimp...	16:14
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awwaiid	I use mdbus on the openmoko a lot and it is quite nice	16:17
pupnik	unique311 had a gimp built for n800 iirc	16:17
DocScrutinizer	awwaiid: so have you tried it on the N900?	16:18
awwaiid	no. here, lets see...	16:18
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Stskeeps	wazd, imagemagick is a bunch of command line tools	16:21
awwaiid	DocScrutinizer, works in general after wget (lists services), now trying to send a message...	16:23
wazd	Stskeeps: well, yeah, I see :D	16:23
wazd	Stskeeps: can you remind me yesterday's Marina link?	16:24
DocScrutinizer51	awwaiid: cool. My wget is 'missing' :-/	16:24
LuciusMare	no imagemagick for maemo?	16:24
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chem\|st	LuciusMare: make a list... I was doing so for myself, but as long as I dont have a N900 I cant test the stuff at a device, I will port or find some of my friends if Im not capable to port my favourite CLI tools	16:27
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awwaiid	DocScrutinizer51, this works: ./mdbus -s org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog 'Hello, world!' 0 'NAO OK!'	16:28
chem\|st	awwaiid: what OS do you use your moko with?	16:28
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DocScrutinizer51	awwaiid: nice	16:28
awwaiid	which is a bit simplified from dbus-send, and has good introspection built in	16:28
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xorAxAx	johnq: ping (This message has been postponed.)	16:28
johnq	xorAxAx: ?	16:29
chem\|st	does anyone know which nick here is Niels?	16:29
RST38h	Saint Nick?	16:29
awwaiid	chem\|st, hackable1 or SHR (I swithch randomly). but i haven't played with it as much lately for SOME reason	16:29
RST38h	"How about another Dirty Harry movie where Clint looks the way he looked in 1975?" Cameron suggests. "Or a James Bond movie where Sean Connery looks the way he did in Doctor No? How cool would that be?"'	16:30
* RST38h facepalms		16:30
chem\|st	awwaiid: a friend of mine runs android atm, he didnt get any OS in a state of realy usable	16:30
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LuciusMare	lol	16:30
chem\|st	sometimes he had GSM running but not network or network and no gsm then no gps but gsm and so on	16:31
DocScrutinizer51	awwaiid: SOME starts with N and ends with 900?	16:31
LuciusMare	so,if anyone has free time on their hands,port imagemagick	16:31
awwaiid	I had a sweeet debian install going on there for a while... but I "upgraded" without a backup and never quite got it back.	16:31
awwaiid	DocScrutinizer51: perhaps :)	16:31
chem\|st	is Mer an option?	16:31
jebba	wow. still down. Hmm.	16:32
chem\|st	jebba: wow... wrong chanel...	16:32
awwaiid	6es, but last I knew there was no phone stack (working) on mer. but I'm not up to date	16:32
DocScrutinizer51	jebba: yeah grrr >:-(	16:32
DocScrutinizer51	jebba: and I'm missing wget here	16:33
jebba	DocScrutinizer51: mirror ;)	16:33
awwaiid	ok, I'm going to go to my flight now... I kinda like this always connected thing + 3.5G :)	16:33
DocScrutinizer51	jebba: pain to setup?	16:33
DocScrutinizer51	flight?	16:34
awwaiid	jebba, see mdbus stuff above and thanks for your dbus wiki doc :)	16:34
DocScrutinizer51	awwaiid: have a nice trip	16:34
UQsf	anyone using any particulary pleasant font for xterm, not sure I like the default one :/	16:34
awwaiid	flying back to DC from florida after perl oasis conference	16:35
DocScrutinizer51	awwaiid: isn,t exactly my wiki	16:35
jebba	DocScrutinizer51: easy to set up. Just like adding a new repo: http://espejo.freemoe.org/	16:35
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DocScrutinizer51	well. I'll try to get it right. stay tuned to help me out please	16:35
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red	btw is the offline mode really offline mode, so theres 0 wifi/mobile signal	16:36
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red	reason I'm asking is airplane usage :p	16:36
MaemohammadAG	meh no t6 separate bit	16:36
chem\|st	red: refer to your manual	16:36
red	I will if nobody knows :)	16:37
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DocScrutinizer51	jebba: distribution? components?	16:37
red	or well, forums/google first	16:37
red	getting up is a pain	16:37
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Guest68982	I want n900 :)	16:37
DocScrutinizer51	red: yes	16:38
LuciusMare	aaargh	16:38
DocScrutinizer51	red: offline is specified for use in airplanes	16:38
LuciusMare	u stupid piece of crap,yes,that is a link and yes, i want to click on it?	16:38
LuciusMare	>:(	16:39
Trizt	where do you find the index file for tracker? would like to test to delete that and see if it will then ignore ~/MyDocs/.images according to the new settings	16:39
DocScrutinizer51	jebba: ???	16:40
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DocScrutinizer51	jebba: ping	16:40
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DocScrutinizer51	LuciusMare: powerbutton -> 'stop current task'	16:41
red	DocScrutinizer51: thats what I hoped for goodie :)	16:41
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DocScrutinizer51	lol	16:42
LuciusMare	argh	16:43
jebba	DocScrutinizer51: did you go to that page?	16:43
* LuciusMare is in rage		16:43
jebba	it even has a screenshot...	16:43
DocScrutinizer51	no, i entered the URL to appmngr new repo	16:43
LuciusMare	anybody experiencing the same stupid problem display ignoring any sign of link and displays normal menu like when clicking to non-link?	16:43
jebba	ah, just go to that page in a web browser :)	16:43
LuciusMare	i want to copy a link and it does not register it	16:44
xorAxAx	johnq: hi	16:44
LuciusMare	i mean,it does not notice it,it acts like there was normal text	16:44
DocScrutinizer51	jebba: didn't realize I'm supposed to go there	16:44
xorAxAx	johnq: i started evopedias map feature and now the gps icon doesnt stop blinking	16:44
jebba	heh	16:45
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* LuciusMare wgets and cats the freaking page		16:46
LuciusMare	i want my link and you wont stop me,buggy software	16:46
LuciusMare	ha	16:48
* LuciusMare has a link		16:48
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LuciusMare	^^	16:48
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bfree	anyone know of a way (or bug/brainstorm to vote for perhaps) to make the N900 right handed. There's places where you can press and hold on screen to bring up menu's, but I find that doing that with my right index finger means I can't see the resulting menu without contortions.	16:59
ShadowJK_	whoah, I never realized it was left handed :)	17:00
cehteh	its the first cross handed device ever invented :)	17:00
cehteh	next time the keyboard will slide out on the upper side :)	17:01
ShadowJK_	I know what you mean, I just never rrealized it could be fixed by making menu pop up left of finger instead of right	17:01
cehteh	moving menus to the bottom..	17:01
timeless_mbp	!last ping timeless	17:02
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timeless_mbp	bfree: you're welcome to brainstorm	17:03
bfree	yep as long as the screen space is there then imvho it should pop out left of finger (unless you set it to left-handed mode, most people are rightys ;-)	17:03
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timeless_mbp	the device doesn't realize that it isn't designed for right handed people	17:03
red	coming to think of it, never realized that it could be changed too	17:04
red	just accepted it as an annoying quirk	17:04
timeless_mbp	red: we don't really have a way to change it	17:04
red	not us no	17:04
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red	but kinda just didnt even give it a thought, just ignored	17:04
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superdump	any news on the repo servers?	17:06
superdump	i looked at the url in the topic	17:06
superdump	nothing since 20 hours ago on there it seems	17:07
timeless_mbp	superdump: did you notice today was a sunday?	17:07
timeless_mbp	and that oddly enough, yesterday was a saturday?	17:07
superdump	yes, but i can still ask...	17:07
ShadowJK_	I think that's why he was trying to do stuff ;-)	17:07
superdump	hey ShadowJK_	17:08
w00t	timeless_mbp: to not have someone on call for infra stuff seems a bit ..	17:08
timeless_mbp	w00t: welcome to maemo.org	17:08
timeless_mbp	done wrong on a shoestring	17:08
ShadowJK_	I bet they'd just be sitting there playing cards waiting for the spare parts on monday anyway	17:09
w00t	timeless_mbp: is there a feedback loop to help fix such broken processes?	17:09
timeless_mbp	w00t: what do you want?	17:09
timeless_mbp	i think they're changing ISPs	17:09
DocScrutinizer51	hmmm mdbus is really handy	17:09
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timeless_mbp	do you think they're so absolutely clueless as to not notice there's a problem?	17:10
w00t	timeless_mbp: of course not	17:10
w00t	timeless_mbp: but noticing a problem and acting to fix it are two different things	17:10
timeless_mbp	feedback loops are only useful if one can act	17:10
w00t	timeless_mbp: if this is the ISP's problem then I would have really big questions to be asking them with regards to SLAs	17:10
timeless_mbp	w00t: did i mention that we're in Finland?	17:11
w00t	timeless_mbp: I know this, however I think you're trying to convey something that is missing my attention :-)	17:11
timeless_mbp	there's no such thing as 'service' in finland	17:11
timeless_mbp	they only work during business hours	17:11
timeless_mbp	and they don't make commitments	17:11
superdump	even nokia...?	17:11
timeless_mbp	yes.	17:11
timeless_mbp	and it's all done by contractors	17:11
ShadowJK_	and the servers probably aren't in finland, unless nokia feels like blowing 29 times more money than necedssary	17:11
w00t	so you have no concept of overtime there?	17:11
timeless_mbp	correct	17:12
w00t	..	17:12
w00t	something seems very, very broken there	17:12
timeless_mbp	you're just realizing this now?	17:12
DocScrutinizer51	lol	17:12
superdump	if it's not going to be fixed until monday at the earliest, maybe someone should post that in the link in the topic	17:12
timeless_mbp	well, better late than never :)	17:13
w00t	I work for a 20 person company with no real management and even we can manage to call someone up on a weekend, offer them OT, and get a problem fixed when the shit hits the fan	17:13
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timeless_mbp	superdump: i'm sorry	17:13
DocScrutinizer51	~hail jebba	17:13
* infobot bows down to jebba and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"		17:13
timeless_mbp	the topic has http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/	17:13
timeless_mbp	what is remotely unclear about it?	17:13
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jebba	;)	17:14
chem\|st	;)	17:14
chem\|st	X-Fade: now awake?	17:14
chem\|st	who is niels btw	17:14
superdump	timeless_mbp: 'work is ongoing' gives no kind of ETA and you seem to be suggesting that as it's the weekend it's not going to get fixed until at least monday	17:15
superdump	maybe adding that information would be useful to readers	17:15
timeless_mbp	yep.	17:15
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timeless_mbp	and maybe it'd be wrong	17:15
timeless_mbp	i'm not in contact with them	17:15
timeless_mbp	but i do live in Finland	17:15
jebba	w00t: i 100% agree by the way. I've started a few different threads on maemo-devel list about this...	17:15
timeless_mbp	and i've seen maemo.org "infrastructure" not heal very quickly	17:15
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jebba	oftentimes if it croaks friday night, it doesn't come back til monday. It's mind boggling actually.	17:16
jebba	i bet they have like 95% uptime or worse (literally)	17:16
w00t	it's not just mind boggling, to me at least, it's incomprehensible	17:16
w00t	but then, that's probably because I'm usually the one working the OT	17:16
w00t	(usually before I get called about it.. and it's not because I lack a life, it's just because I know about it before my boss does)	17:17
Stskeeps	it does seem like they are getting a really angry call though (see tmo thread)	17:17
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ShadowJK_	since getting my n900 I remember one weekend where something maemo.org didn't croak :)	17:17
ifreq	if you do projects/migrations on weekend you usually have resources preserved (or atleast should be)	17:17
w00t	ifreq: see, that's the other thing	17:17
timeless_mbp	ifreq: 'preserved' is the wrong word	17:17
ifreq	timeless_mbp: yeah sorry for that	17:17
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ifreq	timeless_mbp: i ment reserved	17:18
w00t	iif you do major stuff like this, you don't do it on a friday when nobody is going to be around the day after :\|	17:18
* timeless_mbp shrugs		17:18
jebba	w00t: see: http://n2.nabble.com/maemo-developers-f2589615.html http://n2.nabble.com/Mirrors-tt4244452.html	17:18
chem\|st	is anyone of you admin of at least one server?	17:18
timeless_mbp	i would never do hosting in .fi	17:18
DocScrutinizer51	well we won't change things today, no matter how much rant and whining. If Nokia feels that,s been a major impact on their customer convenience and corporate image then they probably want to do it better next time	17:18
timeless_mbp	DocScrutinizer++	17:18
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timeless_mbp	the problem nokia has is roughly this:	17:19
w00t	I don't feel that what has been going on here has been ranting.. at least, if I'm coming across that way, it's not my intention	17:19
jebba	well, what the hell sysadmin setup doesn't have 24/7 coverage? Akamai must have 24/7 folks... They're huge.	17:19
ifreq	im ok with missing repos atm.. no need to update somethin continuoysly :)	17:19
timeless_mbp	with time the customer base grows	17:19
w00t	I'm just trying to provide my view about it	17:19
jebba	chem\|st: ya, i am now ;)	17:19
ifreq	jebba: :-)	17:19
timeless_mbp	which means that even if they do manage to scale up a bit to match a previously missed capacity	17:19
timeless_mbp	it doesn't actually match the current demands	17:19
timeless_mbp	--	17:19
timeless_mbp	second, we're trying to avoid using the nokia.com IT infrastructure	17:19
jebba	w00t: i do have a mirror setup: http://espejo.freemoe.org/	17:19
chem\|st	this is a server move in progress, it went wrong and ISP messes up and DNS change did hang...	17:20
timeless_mbp	which takes 6months to roll out _anything_	17:20
timeless_mbp	--	17:20
w00t	jebba: I don't need anything right now, so I'm not really majorly inconvenienced	17:20
jebba	well, they should just have public mirrors, for starters at least. That's like the base minimum.	17:20
timeless_mbp	that means we need to find someone willing to treat us as a small fish	17:20
w00t	but I understand that people in the middle of things (on a weekend, when they have time to hack) are probably a bit annoyed	17:20
timeless_mbp	because we aren't the big 'nokia' fish	17:20
ifreq	jebba: yeah im sure there is lots of voluteenteers for mirros like us	17:20
ifreq	:P	17:20
timeless_mbp	we're 'some small group with some tiny budget'	17:20
ifreq	that shouldnt be a prob.	17:20
ifreq	-teen*	17:21
timeless_mbp	ifreq: i can actually stick a mirror on dreamhost, i've done it before	17:21
chem\|st	jebba: the mirror thing I do not understand, any distro mirrors as much as they can to spread the traffic	17:21
timeless_mbp	the problem is that not all content can be legally mirrored	17:21
ifreq	i can host on my own servers timeless_mbp .. and yes thats the point.. cant mirror all stuff atm.	17:21
jebba	ifreq: well, don't even need "volunteers like us" really. The free software world already has hundreds of mirrors they could tap into by just sending one freaking email.	17:21
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ShadowJK_	dreamhost probably has people around 24/7, but probably no spare parts :D	17:21
timeless_mbp	iirc repository.maemo.org includes stuff which is supposedly bound by a nokia distribution clause	17:21
ifreq	jebba: thats true :)	17:21
chem\|st	jebba: exactly	17:21
jebba	at least free stff could	17:21
timeless_mbp	anyway	17:22
timeless_mbp	complaining today will not get anyone anywhere	17:22
jebba	i'll have a third mirror up in about 15 minutes at a different data center.	17:22
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ifreq	timeless_mbp: no ones complaining. i see only suggestions and wonderings.	17:22
jebba	COMPLAIN! that's one way to be heard. Everyone should complain. :)	17:22
ShadowJK_	how big is this failing SAN anyway... iirc when kernel.org's raid array failed it took half a week to run fsck	17:22
chem\|st	jebba: non-free too...	17:22
w00t	timeless_mbp: it won't get anyone anywhere, but it might help enable more fluent discussion about solutions next week	17:22
jebba	this is the official bug report place: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5818	17:22
povbot`	Bug 5818: We need servers	17:22
timeless_mbp	not a chance	17:22
timeless_mbp	it only works if the relevant people are listening	17:22
timeless_mbp	and clearly they aren't	17:23
timeless_mbp	if they were, they'd be speaking instead of me	17:23
jebba	ShadowJK_: can't be too big. The entire repository is only 32G	17:23
w00t	sure	17:23
jebba	and all the archives. I'm guessing less than a terabyte.	17:23
jebba	easily.	17:23
w00t	but taking a pessimistic stance means you win from the outset	17:23
DocScrutinizer51	~praise jebba	17:23
infobot	All hail jebba!	17:23
w00t	by being optimistic about this, sure, we might fail, but at least we tried :-)	17:23
mrmg	espejo.freemoe.org/repository.maemo.org/whatever fremantle free works	17:23
timeless_mbp	have you all read http://wiki.maemo.org/ISP_Move ?	17:23
chem\|st	jebba: 4TB raid took abaout 24h to recover	17:24
jebba	timeless_mbp: you mean the doc from October?	17:24
timeless_mbp	it's last modified december :)	17:24
jebba	chem\|st: then use a different FS	17:24
timeless_mbp	not that stale :)	17:24
timeless_mbp	chem\|st: ZFS.	17:24
jebba	ya, and it's only January 17....	17:24
timeless_mbp	jebba: things are slow in the winter in Finland :)	17:24
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jebba	i've fsck'd 3 terabyte raids and it didnt take that long. Need better hardware ;)	17:25
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ifreq	jebba: sure its hardware ;P	17:25
jebba	that was even crappy 3ware cards too ;)	17:25
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DocScrutinizer51	timeless_mbp: slow like loading that URL you mentioned? ;-D	17:26
chem\|st	jebba: timeless_mbp on hardware raid? what for? and it wasnt to recover the FS just to recover the raid properly	17:26
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timeless_mbp	chem\|st: to skip hardware raid	17:26
timeless_mbp	commodity disks.	17:26
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DocScrutinizer51	actually it's not just slow. it hangs on loading some 60%	17:27
LuciusMare	oh,wow	17:27
jebba	i was talking about hardware raid, fwiw, on "average" SATA drives	17:27
jebba	i can't even get maemo.org right now front page...	17:27
LuciusMare	look	17:28
chem\|st	timeless_mbp: why should I want software raid if I can have hardware raid...	17:28
jebba	this is pretty funny http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2010/01/maemo-is-on-right-tracks-friday.html	17:28
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ShadowJK_	that's the usual weekend activity peak load isn't it ;)	17:28
LuciusMare	i lost the connection	17:28
timeless_mbp	chem\|st: rebuilding raid is a pain	17:28
timeless_mbp	ZFS recovery is better	17:28
chem\|st	timeless_mbp: yes it is	17:28
ShadowJK_	luciusmare: I got text :)	17:28
chem\|st	you mean faster?	17:28
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chem\|st	raid on FS layer isnt my first choice	17:29
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chem\|st	a good point is to get rid of fsck for powerlosses...	17:31
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jebba	ok, third mirror at second data center online.	17:31
DocScrutinizer51	ok. maemo.org borked. jebba hero of the day. /me happy with mdbus and away	17:32
DocScrutinizer51	cya	17:32
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ShadowJK_	I like the way talk.maemo.org is on a different isp :-)	17:33
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jebba	awwaiid: mdbus looks cool thx :)	17:34
jebba	thankfully....	17:34
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timeless_mbp	ShadowJK_: mxr.maemo.org is on a different ISP too :)	17:34
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timeless_mbp	two eggs outside the primary basket :)	17:35
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* timeless_mbp wonders how to get qaiku to speak English		17:36
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chem\|st	qgil: hey	17:36
qgil	hi, can you access http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Weekly_News ?	17:37
chem\|st	qgil: thanks for your message, I cant access anything apart of talk properly...	17:37
qgil	ok, no worries just wanted to know how big the scope	17:38
sp3000	morning	17:38
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qgil	time to have a proper Sunday I guess ;)	17:38
chem\|st	hehe	17:38
ShadowJK_	I was able to access wiki 5 minutes ago on my n810	17:38
Luser	I can access but looks like css/images not. it's only text, as awfull as my website	17:39
qgil	maybe Jaffa 's proposal has been slashdotted? ;)	17:39
ShadowJK_	yeah.	17:39
chem\|st	lol	17:39
ShadowJK_	jebba: dude it's pretty impressive/scary that your mirror pegged 100mbit/s	17:39
ShadowJK_	like, I'd imagine only a handful of users would have added it	17:40
superdump	CorsixTH seems to not be packaged properly or somehting...	17:40
superdump	when running from a terminal it complains about /home/user/MyDocs/Hospital/ not being a directory	17:40
superdump	i guess the installer was supposed to create it...?	17:41
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sp3000	installers aren't supposed to touch $HOME :)	17:41
superdump	then maybe it needs optifying?	17:41
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sp3000	(well, for this usual class of installers, anyway)	17:41
timeless_mbp	sp3000: hi	17:41
ShadowJK_	it might make sense for some to move big data files to MyDocs	17:41
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jebba	ShadowJK_: ya, i was surprised for sure too, actually. The bandwidth stats have gone a bit whack now though (e.g. reporting 0 traffic), so i'm not sure what it is at the moment. I do have webstats here:	17:42
sp3000	timeless_mbp: went skiing, bumped into zeeshan	17:42
timeless_mbp	wow	17:42
sp3000	why was I not expecting that? :)	17:42
jebba	crappy webstats:	17:42
jebba	http://mas.freemoe.org/cgi-bin/anlgform.cgi	17:42
jebba	http://masymas.freemoe.org/cgi-bin/anlgform.cgi	17:42
jebba	http://masymasymas.freemoe.org/cgi-bin/anlgform.cgi	17:42
sp3000	hardcore	17:42
ShadowJK_	jebba: install iptrav or something in ssh and checkÅ :)	17:42
cvandonderen	when will repository.maemo.org be online again?	17:42
ShadowJK_	iptraf*	17:42
sp3000	timeless_mbp: clearly this is a small town ;)	17:43
jebba	ShadowJK_: ya, lots of ways to do it, not that interesting to me though. I'll leave it to netdepot ;)	17:43
timeless_mbp	heh	17:43
ShadowJK_	the last post by tekojo to the tmo thread said "However tomorrow morning it has to come back."	17:43
jebba	cvandonderen: who knows. see http://espejo.freemoe.org/ for a mirror.	17:43
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jebba	I kind of call "bullshit" on the line that akamai has no one to fix this stuff on the weekend	17:44
timeless_mbp	jebba: afaict you had 20 robots	17:44
ShadowJK_	jebba: I wouldn't want to mirror on my server then, I "only" have 5T per month :)	17:44
jebba	timeless_mbp: what makes you think that?	17:44
timeless_mbp	20 17/Jan/10 08:42/repository.maemo.org/robots.txt	17:44
ShadowJK_	jebba: seems it's about stage.maemo which isn't akamai?	17:44
jebba	ah, ya, but that's not who was downloading everything.	17:44
timeless_mbp	20 17/Jan/10 08:39/repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle/free/libc/libcap/libcap1_1.10-15maemo0_armel.deb	17:44
ShadowJK_	dunno how it works, but I'm guessing sgage feeds akamai	17:45
cvandonderen	jebba: thanks :-)	17:45
timeless_mbp	i can't imagine 20 people snarfed libcap	17:45
jebba	ShadowJK_: akamai mirrors stage afaict	17:45
timeless_mbp	whatever the heck that is	17:45
timeless_mbp	jebba: that sounds right	17:45
timeless_mbp	and generally akamai isn't going to keep/offer content that upstream 'disappears' iirc	17:45
timeless_mbp	so it actually makes sense	17:45
timeless_mbp	akamai isn't reliability, it's distribution	17:46
jebba	timeless_mbp: every access of that had "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo11.1)"	17:46
ShadowJK_	oh hey, that maemo weekly news wiki link qgil pasted.. it eventually loaded with css and all :)	17:46
cvandonderen	timeless_mbp: well, Akamai has an uptime guarantee too	17:46
timeless_mbp	cvandonderen: sure, is the akamai host actually down?	17:46
timeless_mbp	because if it's up and serving "go away"	17:46
timeless_mbp	because that's what the thing it's mirroring is serving	17:47
cvandonderen	is repository.maemo.org not an Akamai machine?	17:47
timeless_mbp	that's not akamai doing anything wrong	17:47
jebba	timeless_mbp: see http://pastebin.ca/1754773	17:47
cvandonderen	normally it resolves to a .akamai.net for me	17:47
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jebba	DNS was totally foo too, which is nokia....	17:47
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* timeless_mbp can't find an answer		17:48
timeless_mbp	; <<>> DiG 9.4.3-P3 <<>> repository.maemo.org	17:48
timeless_mbp	maemo.org.148INSOAns.nokia.com. hostmaster.nokia.com. 2010011701 7200 3600 1209600 3600	17:48
timeless_mbp	so nokia owns it, yippee	17:48
superdump	:)	17:48
Stskeeps	i do wonder why rep is down too, maybe dns got messed up and then no akaamai will help	17:48
jebba	timeless_mbp: those accesses all look "legit", no? That's just today's (not yesterday too)	17:48
chem\|st	timeless_mbp: thats output I had last night...	17:48
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timeless_mbp	chem\|st: but there's no content in the answer section	17:49
timeless_mbp	jebba: pastebin the logs for robots.txt	17:49
ShadowJK_	if akamai basically works like a distributed squid infront of stage., then stage vanishing would make repository.maemo serve 404 too, right...	17:49
timeless_mbp	chem\|st: that's purely nokia's fault	17:49
user_abc	Hello! Is there already a profile manager that switches profies at a certain time?	17:49
timeless_mbp	ShadowJK_: yep	17:49
chem\|st	timeless_mbp: it changed to	17:49
chem\|st	; <<>> DiG 9.5.1-P3 <<>> repository.maemo.org	17:49
chem\|st	;; global options: printcmd	17:49
chem\|st	;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached	17:49
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sle	Can someone please help me with making this example: http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE/Qt_Example installable with an icon ?	17:50
timeless_mbp	;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 40174	17:50
timeless_mbp	is what i'm getting :)	17:50
sp3000	yeah I get nxdomain for rmo too :)	17:50
sp3000	meh, who's gonna miss that ;)	17:50
jebba	http://pastebin.ca/1754780 timeless_mbp confirms they are legit....	17:51
chem\|st	wiki is loading... in hours, now I have content but no css...	17:51
timeless_mbp	jebba: alright	17:52
jebba	timeless_mbp: seeeee? ;) lots of users using it, no doubt...	17:52
* timeless_mbp still finds it odd that 20 humans would try to load robots.txt		17:52
timeless_mbp	conclusion: we have some really stupid humans	17:52
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bfree	I think I'll wait for the server to come properly back to life before trying to register to post my right-handed brainstorm ;-)	17:53
jebba	timeless_mbp: well, some are wget and some are likely google, so not all those robots were human ;) most bots know to not index .deb and such for their own sake.	17:53
timeless_mbp	jebba: not true	17:53
timeless_mbp	when i hosted a repository.maemo.org mirror, i had bots grabbing debs	17:53
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ShadowJK_	hey everyone, let's wget -r jebba's mirror before it too dies! ;-)	17:54
jebba	most ;)	17:54
timeless_mbp	hrm	17:54
timeless_mbp	maybe not	17:54
timeless_mbp	my current robots just seem to crawl, they don't seem to taste	17:54
jebba	ShadowJK_: go for it. I set up rsync so you can mirror the whole thing easily :) (there's 3 of them now too, btw, in two different places)	17:55
timeless_mbp	67.218.116.166 - - [17/Jan/2010:07:21:05 -0800] "GET /repository/repository.maemo.org/pool/sardine/main/h/hildon-application-manager-l10n-public/html2text/ HTTP/1.0" 404 334 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Twiceler-0.9 http://www.cuil.com/twiceler/robot.html)"	17:55
ShadowJK_	jebba: it was a joke :)	17:55
oscillik	ruskie: hi, i was speaking to someone last night who said that you might be able to give me a hand with adding your repo to my N900?	17:55
ShadowJK_	but rsync is awesome	17:55
ShadowJK_	does/did maemo.org have rsync?	17:56
timeless_mbp	jebba: did you see the .deb i made to change the dns for repository.maemo.org?	17:56
* timeless_mbp wonders if that's still around		17:56
ruskie	oscillik, adding it is straightforward	17:56
jebba	ShadowJK_: no, they don't do rsync (!!!)	17:56
Luser	bug 8139: repository.maemo.org not resolvable	17:56
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8139 repository.maemo.org not resolvable	17:56
Luser	:)	17:56
jebba	timeless_mbp: no didn'¿t see that deb	17:57
timeless_mbp	http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1/	17:57
timeless_mbp	jebba: just fix the DEBIAN bits to match your ip addresses	17:57
timeless_mbp	and have people install that	17:57
timeless_mbp	make the version number 0.1-1 though	17:57
timeless_mbp	because some one could have 0.1 installed :)	17:57
uhsf	Apple's latest move should only urge americans to get more N900 quicker and finally Apple will never get what they want.	17:57
Stskeeps	what move? :	17:58
red	ye, what move?	17:58
jebba	timeless_mbp: well, i don't want to muck with their dns and resolving of repository.maemo.org though.....	17:58
timeless_mbp	jebba: when the package uninstalls the dns reverts :)	17:58
ShadowJK_	apple is trying to get nokia banned from selling devices in the US	17:58
uhsf	Stskeeps: red: Apple Seeks To Ban Nokia Imports To US.	17:58
oscillik	i must be doing something really wrong then :(	17:58
red	uhsf: ye the counter lawsuti for Nokia suing Apple :P	17:59
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jebba	timeless_mbp: cool trick, but i'd rather have them do it manually for now.	17:59
red	Kodak is now also suing apple for patent infringments.	17:59
gevaerts	not very surprising. Nokia is trying to get Apple banned from selling devices in the US	17:59
ruskie	oscillik, what's the problem	17:59
red	gevaerts: Nokia is actually demanding royalties for patents, not to ban importing of their products.	17:59
johnq	xorAxAx: sorry, I was afk	17:59
oscillik	ruskie: trying to add via App Manager, putting the url in the Web address field, and then "opt" in the components field....is that not the right way to go about it?	18:00
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red	I bet after enough fighting over, Apple will settle with Nokia and Kodak and pay up.	18:00
ruskie	oscillik, no	18:00
red	Not like it would bankrupt them.	18:00
johnq	xorAxAx: it should stop after some time if you close the browser	18:00
ruskie	oscillik, the url includes opt	18:00
gevaerts	they'll reach some sort of agreement, yes	18:00
ruskie	the component field is ./	18:00
oscillik	ruskie: thanks, i'll give that a go now :)	18:01
ruskie	actually	18:01
red	The style just is, you gotta countersue, or it leaves the door for other tryers too open :P	18:01
ruskie	component would be blank	18:01
red	quite typical	18:01
ruskie	it's the distribution that's ./	18:01
ruskie	iirc	18:01
ruskie	anyway last field is blank	18:01
oscillik	think that might've worked - it's not thrown up a complaint this time	18:02
oscillik	:)	18:02
ruskie	what are you looking for btw?	18:03
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oscillik	i was trying to install your gcoreutils :) just tried now though, and apt-get is saying "gcoreutils: PreDepends: libattrl (>= 2.4.41-1) but 2.4.16-2~maemo1 is to be installed E:Broken packages"	18:04
pupnik	sue everybody!	18:05
oscillik	i'm guessing it's something i need from maemo repos	18:05
ruskie	hmm	18:05
ruskie	ii libattr1 1:2.4.43-1	18:06
ruskie	that's what I have installed	18:06
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ShadowJK_	whoah, gcoreutils? :)	18:06
ruskie	yup	18:07
ruskie	also gtar	18:07
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ShadowJK_	is it optified?	18:07
* ShadowJK_ runs		18:07
ruskie	if you use the opt repo	18:07
ruskie	I don't	18:07
ruskie	I have two.. opt and nonopt	18:07
ruskie	also break that can break things ;)	18:07
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cvandonderen	can one still not add a Qt4 widget to the desktop?	18:09
cvandonderen	that you have to use a shortcut first?	18:09
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xorAxAx	johnq: ah	18:13
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Macer	hm	18:14
Macer	bunch of silly stuff... must be hinet at it again	18:14
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Macer	the world should just blacklist hinet.net :)	18:15
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wazd	oh, new firmware for e63 :P	18:21
wazd	no portrait browsing though :)	18:22
RST38h	back	18:22
RST38h	wazd: but MMS support present? =)	18:23
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DocScrutinizer51	desktop cmd execution widget is rather nice. Alas it seem you can add/activate just exactly one of those to desktop which makes it kinda crippled out of no need	18:25
wazd	RST38h: yep :D	18:25
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jf-	anyone got global emmc image? upload to somwhere pls because the servers are down	18:27
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wazd	meh, 103 Mb of "stuff"	18:29
RST38h	OTA! OTA!	18:29
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oscillik	OTA update caused problems for me, so i had to reflash	18:32
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Caesium	anyone ever notice widgets disappear from their maemo desktop without explanation? :/	18:38
Caesium	I have to keep re-adding OMweather and Personal Dataplan Monitor for some reason	18:39
wazd	haha, changelog	18:40
wazd	- amazing new features	18:40
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inz	Caesium, HD at least used to disable plugins when it crashed	18:50
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greenfly	I'm assuming the errors I'm getting with the package manager for maemo.org repos is due to the server move?	18:51
SpeedEvil	y	18:51
greenfly	tyx	18:52
SpeedEvil	The guy with the key to the server room is in the sauna.	18:52
siriusnova	:O	18:52
siriusnova	is he in the Sauna with ladies	18:52
siriusnova	or just by himself	18:52
villager	steal his clothes	18:52
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gevaerts	villager: we want the key, not the clothes!	18:53
villager	what if the key is in the clothes	18:53
gevaerts	ah, good thinking	18:53
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slonopotamus	:D	18:56
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mtnbkr	Caesium: I have seen this random behavior too... All widgets/shortcuts gone when I was making wallpaper chnages - but the contacts dsesktop has always remained fine.	19:02
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sivang	hey all	19:10
sivang	what's up with the fremantel extras ?	19:10
sivang	is it down for the last 2 days?	19:10
frals	yepp	19:10
frals	mirror in topic	19:10
bfree	doh, I just discovered my media player won't play anything now saying unsupported codec (or silently failing on the 9 and n900 videos). I did install the extras codecs support 0.3 :-/ strangley the mp3 ringtone works fine in profiles but won't play in "media player" (kmplayer seems ok)	19:10
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red	kmplayer uses its own codecs	19:12
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SpeedEvil	A killer app for maemo 5. Clown detection http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/22/what-clown-on-a-unicycle-studying-cell-phone-distraction/	19:13
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zujnbhgtr	http://www.pandamailer.de/?bettel=pimbolli	19:14
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goodwill	repository still down?	19:15
red	now theres an url to click	19:15
mtnbkr	SpeedEvil: lol was just reading that story...	19:15
bfree	wierd, just rebooted and now some stuff (like the mp3 I'm using as ringtone) does play :-/	19:15
frals	red: yeah, after reading all the notices from ircops, one really have to click it :D	19:15
* mtnbkr wonders when ringtone-per-contact will be available		19:16
andre__	goodwill, until tomorrow	19:16
odin_	once I have packages to release, what is the next step ? or what is the wiki page relating to that workflow? thanks	19:17
frals	odin_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras-devel	19:17
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sivang	jebba: can I offer my server for more mirroning ?	19:22
sivang	jebba: I understandt Extras is hosed	19:22
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matthew-	guys, is there any way of getting maps pre downloaded on my cell?	19:24
matthew-	so it works smoother?	19:24
jebba	sivang: you can mirror mine if you want	19:24
jebba	rsync is available which makes it a bit easier	19:24
greenfly	matthew-: yeah there is. the steps are on the forum	19:24
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smps	matthew-, http://handphone-solution.blogspot.com/2009/07/direct-download-for-ovi-maps-30-without.html	19:25
greenfly	I think there might even be a wiki entry for it	19:25
sivang	jebba: cool, thanks	19:25
matthew-	smps: thanks	19:25
smps	np	19:26
frals	hello RevdKathy o/	19:26
red	which one of those would work for n900	19:26
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RevdKathy	Hi frals	19:27
RevdKathy	how're you, frals? How's life?	19:27
odin_	does scratchbox work on x86_64 ? or am I best to create an I386 debian Xen guest install , and then install scratchbox into that ?	19:27
slonopotamus	err	19:27
slonopotamus	how i start video recording in pr1.1?	19:27
pupnik	center is supposed to be + and outside is supposed to be -?	19:28
frals	I'm good, just packaged a new version of fMMS, after which I realised both garage and the repos are down so I did it for nothing really.. :D hows you?	19:28
odin_	frals, how are you dealing with the MMS APN issue ?	19:28
RevdKathy	I saw that everything was down and thought - by the time they get if fixed, fMMS will have six new updates :p	19:28
frals	odin_: which one of the issues? ;-)	19:28
RevdKathy	Me? I'm... depressed	19:28
odin_	frals, i.e. when the MMS APN is connected, is WLAN disconnected (and all other internet disconnected) ?	19:29
slonopotamus	anyone?	19:29
frals	odin_: for now, it has to be done manually	19:29
odin_	frals, there is also the GUI to configure up artibrary APNs issue, but thats not as major a problem as above	19:29
smps	slonopotamus, open camera app & slider	19:29
frals	there is a way to disconnect all active connections, but i really don't wanna do that as its quite invasive :P	19:29
smps	slonopotamus, and then tap onto "A" and down there on "Video Mode"	19:29
slonopotamus	smps, done that. switched to video mode.	19:29
smps	slonopotamus, and there you go	19:29
frals	odin_: for adding more IAP's i released fAPN ;-)	19:29
frals	RevdKathy: that sucks :( anything you wanna chat about?	19:30
slonopotamus	smps, but how i _start_ recording?	19:30
pupnik	ok, yep, and n810 charger shows 7 volts	19:30
pupnik	hit camera button slonopotamus	19:30
RevdKathy	Yes loads, and no, nothing I can really talk about, frals. Just thought I could use some company	19:30
smps	slonopotamus, press camera button on top of your n900	19:30
slonopotamus	pupnik, did that.	19:30
RevdKathy	so I popped in here for half an hour before starting some study	19:30
pupnik	good	19:30
pupnik	what study	19:30
RST38h	Us as a company?	19:31
pupnik	:)	19:31
RST38h	Oh no	19:31
RevdKathy	yeah - IRC = good company	19:31
frals	RevdKathy: plenty of company here at least... ;)	19:31
slonopotamus	pupnik, smps nothing happens :)	19:31
RevdKathy	always, frals :)	19:31
odin_	frals, I'm thinking of building something into "Settings" application, for APN setup and also allowing both GPRS/WLAN to be connected at same time (and selecting priority) and the MMS issue is that, I guess most/all operators have a walled garden for their MMS APN which means you don't want WLAN to disconnect while sending/receiving MMS ?	19:31
slonopotamus	it worked before pr1.1.	19:31
odin_	frals, there are some kernel requirements/changes needed for managing allowing both GPRS/WLAN to both be connected at same with without conflict and clear management	19:32
slonopotamus	ah crap	19:32
slonopotamus	i wasn't pressing hard enough :/	19:32
smps	slonopotamus, i just tested on mine its working	19:32
slonopotamus	stupid button.	19:32
SplasPood	wow, angry birds is addictive	19:32
frals	odin_: Yeah, every carrier ive heard about requires you to atleast be connected to their apn to send/receive MMS	19:32
frals	odin_: would be awesome if you managed to solve it in a nice way :)	19:33
slonopotamus	smps, pupnik false alarm :)	19:33
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odin_	frals, yes I have the technical understanding of Linux/kernel/userspace to solve it, just need to keep messing with Maemo but need some UI in "Settings"	19:33
pupnik	http://www.codemsys.com/SMPS/Lambdaschematic.jpg	19:34
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frals	odin_: cool	19:34
pierlux	the repositories are still down?! that's 24 hours!	19:34
smps	pupnik, hahahah	19:34
smps	pupnik, cool	19:34
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odin_	shame with repos this weekend, not got much done at all (that I wanted to get done)	19:36
tigert	so is the dns borken still?	19:38
odin_	did anyone know is scratchbox works on 64bit Linux ? Looks like I won't be able to upgrade from FC4 to FC12 anytime soon (X11 showstopper bugs)	19:39
siriusnova	man	19:39
siriusnova	the world is so boring right now	19:39
siriusnova	we need an alien invasion	19:39
siriusnova	to set things right	19:39
odin_	like an invasion of Andriod(tm)s ?	19:40
siriusnova	naw	19:41
siriusnova	Aliens that are really slow moving Zombies	19:41
smps	odin_, there is 64bit afaik for debian	19:41
siriusnova	Aliens + Zombies = Ultimate Shotgunning	19:41
pekuja	odin_: upgrading from FC4? O__o	19:41
alterego_	odin_: You could always use a VM? I have 64bit ubuntu as my host system on my develo[pment laptop and I use 32bit VM's for all my development systems, maemo-sdk is installed in a 32bit debian system for me.	19:41
pekuja	odin_: you should really upgrade more often	19:41
alterego_	Then I use X forwarding through ssh for xephyr connections	19:41
ifreq	odin_: you need to atleast go thru every distro by hand until fc8 (i mean upgrade +updatere repos)	19:42
ifreq	until you can use preupdate cli which comes on fc8 :P	19:42
ifreq	and lets you update on the fly into 12	19:42
ifreq	gl	19:42
odin_	pekuja, why do I need to upgrade more often ? I've always had a 4year cycles on reinstalls of my workstation box (it is only now things are being linked against GLIBC 2.4/2.5 which I don't have	19:43
pupnik	alterego has a good approach	19:43
jebba	odin_: because you're running fedora, not openbsd....	19:43
pekuja	odin_: security for one thing	19:43
odin_	ifreq, I am not upgrading, I am reinstalling, hardware refresh at same time (a pair of 1.5Tb seagates)	19:43
ifreq	odin_: okay	19:43
odin_	pekuja, what kind of security ? this is my desktop machine, only I use it, my browser, java development environment are kept uptodate manualy (as I use those applications always)	19:45
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pekuja	odin_: ok then	19:48
jebba	odin_: even downloading a rouge .png can get you with old stuff like that	19:48
pupnik	I found 100% polyester dress pants!	19:48
frals	RevdKathy: what kind of studying are you doing tonight then?	19:49
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RevdKathy	Just going to spend an hour or so transcribing some interviews	19:49
RevdKathy	mindless stuff	19:49
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RevdKathy	and my latest pile from amazon arrived yesterday	19:50
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* timeless_mbp grumbles		19:51
timeless_mbp	or was that my stomach?	19:51
frals	RevdKathy: alright	19:51
RevdKathy	Ok, I'd better go be productive - later guys!	19:51
frals	ciao	19:51
RevdKathy	good luck with the mmses frals	19:52
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timeless_mbp	aww	19:52
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matthew-	ok, now could someone link me link to unzip. and where to place those downloaded maps :)	19:54
matthew-	as im on my n900 and its kinda hard to google on gprs interner :)	19:54
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matthew-	smps: :)	19:56
smps	matthew-, i did unzip on my computer and then copy over usb to n900	19:57
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SpeedEvil1	I would suggest apt-get install unzip	19:58
SpeedEvil1	but...	19:58
smps	matthew-, there is unzip somewhere in repos but they are down	19:58
woglinde	are the repos up again?	19:58
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andre__	no.	19:59
inz	r.m.o doesn't even seem to have a dns entry atm	19:59
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jebba	i dont think they work weekends. Really. I'm not kidding. Hard to believe, but true.	20:00
woglinde	damn	20:01
woglinde	I wanted finished navit	20:01
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tybollt	ok so whom do I need to send kosken to get maemo repos back online? ;)	20:02
matthew-	yeah repos are down	20:02
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matthew-	can i download unzip from somewhere else thou?	20:02
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goodwill	anyone here a fan a of sygic?	20:03
sejo	repositrory down?	20:05
matthew-	no? :)	20:05
sejo	is there a mirror somewhere so I can instaal the sdk?	20:05
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sejo	Firefox can't find the server at repository.maemo.org.	20:06
arachnist	$ host repository.maemo.org.	20:06
arachnist	Host repository.maemo.org. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)	20:06
sejo	indeed	20:06
sejo	http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html does link to there	20:07
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Stskeeps	read topic	20:08
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sejo	Stskeeps: no link to sdk there	20:09
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Stskeeps	no, but repos are down so not much to do	20:11
Stskeeps	:P	20:11
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pupnik	i have plenty of work here, no repo needed	20:15
RST38h	pupnik: You should really start committing stuff to Extras-* though	20:17
RST38h	Even although it is pain	20:17
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arachnist	creating .deb is also a pain	20:18
inz	no it isn't	20:19
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dmj726_n900	Is fremantle extras down?	20:20
RST38h	yes.	20:20
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dmj726_n900	Eta on being back?	20:20
RST38h	inz: It is. Consists of multiple complicated and badly explained steps.	20:20
RST38h	dmj: Monday.	20:20
inz	RST, sure, but it is still not pain; cumbersome, sure; pain, not. ;)	20:21
inz	RST, for example I prefer it over rpm packaging any day.	20:21
RST38h	inz: Pain as far as I am concerned	20:21
frals	hmm	20:22
RST38h	Simple example:	20:22
frals	interesting, got dropped from my cellular network, now i rebooted and got a message with new service settings	20:22
jebba	inz, apt beats yum, but making a foo.spec is much better than makinga .deb....	20:22
RST38h	Try moving a directory inside your .deb to /opt, without resorting to postinst	20:22
inz	Maybe pain is in the eye of the beholder.	20:22
inz	jebba, I used to hate creating .specs	20:23
inz	jebba, debian packaging is almost fun =)	20:23
jebba	inz: ya, but it makes adding multiple Sources: easy, for instace. And patches are cleaner. And it's not spewed all over the place and...	20:23
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jebba	inz, you can't even include a debian/foo.png in maemo packaging!!!	20:23
inz	jebba, that is a problem with the .orig + .diff	20:24
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caotic	is there any way to increase the frequency of the notification led on the n900. I have to stare way longare than a glance to see if I have any notification	20:31
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SpeedEvil	caotic: look at /etc/mce/*	20:32
cehteh	still no app which helps reprogramming the notification lights?	20:33
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SpeedEvil	PatternCommunicationSMS=30;1;0;250;2000;15	20:34
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SpeedEvil	this means - on a SMS - it's on for 250ms, and off for 2000, at an intensity of 15	20:36
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SpeedEvil	with a timeout of 30 seconds, quite high priority - and only when the screen is off.	20:37
SpeedEvil	on ratehr	20:37
SpeedEvil	Simply changing that to 100/1000 will make it flash .1s/1s	20:38
microlith	hmm	20:38
cehteh	yeah ,, well for a programmer .. but errors there are rather unforgiving and its not very intuitive	20:38
SpeedEvil	true	20:38
microlith	an app for that wouldn't be too hard	20:38
SpeedEvil	but errors aren't important	20:38
microlith	I'm happy that it's so well documented	20:38
SpeedEvil	I mean - they don't brick the device	20:38
cehteh	some app where one can choose color and blink pattern would be really nice	20:38
SpeedEvil	yeah	20:39
SpeedEvil	that would be nice	20:39
cehteh	i changed mine too	20:39
cehteh	but its really nothing a causual user should touch	20:39
chezgi	hello, i want to develop an application for maemo and i want to call someone and send some data to it. is this possible at all? and where can i find documents for that?	20:39
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cehteh	xorAxAx: btw since you have your device now .. do you think the profile switcher is a feasible project?	20:40
SpeedEvil	'send some data to it' ?	20:40
chezgi	SpeedEvil: ok i want to send "DATA" not "VOICE".	20:41
microlith	are NJoyRX44 and NJoyRX48 the N800 and N810?	20:41
SpeedEvil	chezgi: What do you mean by that. making a connection to it is like any other internet connected (often NAT'd) device	20:41
chezgi	SpeedEvil: i want to use GSM network no wifi network.	20:42
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SpeedEvil	Ah. Followup in #m-d	20:44
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plr_	what is maemo-launcher and why it's complaining size mismatch when trying to upgrade	20:48
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cvandonderen	do the libqt4-maemo5 packages contain any stuff from git, or is it just 4.6.0? I want to use setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5ForcePortraitOrientation);	21:13
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xorAxAx	cehteh: yeah	21:15
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cehteh	fine :)	21:17
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konttori	Hey, have we mentioned in any changelog that change to fullscreen auto-toggles non-composite mode in pr1.1?	21:26
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konttori	anyway, if we haven't well, ^^^ ( instant gain of over 10% speed to any app by going to full screen)	21:27
konttori	some apps gain up to 25% that way	21:27
Stskeeps	that's kinda clever	21:28
gevaerts	oh, that probably explains the game performans improvements that people noticed	21:28
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* gevaerts hasn't seen that in the wiki changelog at least		21:29
frals	hehe	21:29
frals	thats something you generally see companies brag about in changelogs ;)	21:30
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konttori	I just realized that when I was looking at doom emulator and started thinking if it needs the perf boost or not	21:31
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Stskeeps	worth a small blog post to mention that trick	21:32
RST38h	konttori: Yes, I have noticed that it toggles non-composite mode in PR1.1 =(	21:32
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konttori	RST38h: why the sour face?	21:34
konttori	it's good news, no?	21:34
RST38h	konttori: FBReader back-to-windowed-mode icon went opaque in PR1.1	21:34
RST38h	And now I know why...	21:34
konttori	if you set any 'need' e.g. scaling for window, it will stay composited	21:34
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RST38h	Interesting	21:35
konttori	also, if you have any window stack (e.g. a dialog), it will go non-composited	21:35
konttori	and when dialog goes away, it switches back to non-composited	21:35
konttori	we thought to make things easier for the devs that way	21:35
konttori	also, in pr1.2 there is a new auto-rotate window property	21:35
RST38h	=)	21:36
konttori	that allows apps to stop having to listen to dbus messages about the accelerometer, or the kb opening a	21:36
gevaerts	open a window and it rotates the phone? :)	21:36
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konttori	what?	21:36
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* gevaerts should probably be ignored		21:36
konttori	also, there is a new resize event for the windows early on	21:37
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konttori	so, when rotation starts, the compositor takes snapshot of the window, then sends resize even to the window, then starts the rotation animation while the app itself is adjusting to new resolution	21:38
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konttori	this makes the rotation smoother.	21:38
gevaerts	nice	21:38
RST38h	konttori: absolutely correct way to do it, as long as it works as advertised =)	21:39
Jaffa	konttori: Sounds good	21:39
Jaffa	Nice to have such things designed for fluidity	21:39
RST38h	resize event should really be the ONLY way to report rotation	21:39
Jaffa	konttori: PR1.2's a definite for release, then?	21:39
Jaffa	(or as definite as such things are)	21:39
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konttori	well, we might call it 5.2 if stars align right	21:39
Jaffa	Sounds sensible	21:40
konttori	also, we might call if 5.3 if stars align a bit differently, but still about ok	21:40
RST38h	ehehe	21:40
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konttori	there is definitely going to be a release between now and pr1.2	21:40
RST38h	konttori: Could you pull the correct strings to finally make POP3 work in Modest?	21:40
konttori	what that will be called...	21:40
* Jaffa 's only just convinced his mgmt that the development/project team should be in charge of x, y and z in 5.x.y.z. Marketing can own major, and we'll own everything else		21:40
konttori	RST38h: bug #?	21:40
RST38h	konttori: a moment	21:41
RST38h	bug #5839	21:41
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5839 Modest gets stuck updating POP3 mailboxes	21:41
RST38h	bug #5836	21:42
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5836 POP3 TCP connection is left open leading to locking issues	21:42
RST38h	bug #5567	21:42
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5567 Cannot delete messages off POP3 server in Modest	21:42
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* Jaffa hopes the modest patches for proper attribution and signature position get included in 5.x		21:43
Stskeeps	people still use pop3?	21:44
microlith	yup	21:44
konttori	RST38h: so, how come you have not voted on those bugs?	21:44
RST38h	+ the damn thing DOES NOT LET COPY&PASTE email messages!	21:44
RST38h	konttori: I have	21:44
konttori	anyway, especially 5836 looks really bad	21:44
RST38h	If not, going to vote right away	21:44
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RST38h	konttori: No shit, it prevents me from keeping track of my email account	21:44
* microlith will use pop3 with gmail until it doesn't sync spam messages		21:44
konttori	copy paste was just introduced in pannable areas in general	21:44
konttori	so, that will be there in pr1.2	21:44
konttori	keep shift down in any pannable area and you can select content and copy it	21:45
RST38h	cool	21:45
RST38h	that is related to that pan/select bug tracker right?	21:45
Jaffa	konttori: bug 2563 and bug 3700 ftw - they've even got patches attached!	21:46
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2563 Please provide an attribution line for replying	21:46
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3700 Put signatures not on top in replies (thereby not forcing top-post)	21:46
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konttori	umm... dunno. This was a feature that was picked to be done roughly when device was released	21:46
wazd_	RST38h: if you'll have some free time - marina shots are much appreciated :P	21:46
RST38h	konttori: Oh there is one more thing related to POP3, I have not reported it because it is being obscured by #5836	21:46
RST38h	wazd: Ok, in a moment	21:46
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RST38h	konttori: When you select "leave messages at the server", Modest will retrieve the same messages again and again	21:47
RST38h	konttori: Reporting this is kinda pointless at the moment because Modest will lock after checking pop3 mailbox just a few times	21:47
konttori	Please report it now	21:47
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konttori	we have only few weeks of dev time for pr1.2	21:48
microlith	RST38h: gmail must internally mark messages as retrieved and not show them to clients...	21:48
konttori	that sounds like a good bug to fix	21:48
RST38h	microlith: Not everyone uses GMail.	21:48
microlith	just noting what I've seen	21:48
konttori	you mean #5567	21:48
RST38h	konttori: ok, but only after I make sure that th ebug still exists in 1.1	21:48
konttori	sure	21:48
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alterego_	Just seems to me, that the "killer" phone application is a web browser.	21:49
* gevaerts disagrees. The killer app is the terminal		21:49
woglinde	the killer app is sudo	21:50
RST38h	the killer app is the weight and durability	21:50
Jaffa	Hehe, "killer", "terminal". Teehee.	21:50
microlith	gevaerts: for a specific audience, yes	21:50
RST38h	that is what matters when you kill people with it	21:50
gevaerts	microlith: that's true for all killer apps	21:50
Jaffa	RST38h: I find the built-in blowtorch to be quite handy	21:50
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RST38h	Jaffa: Slow.	21:50
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Jaffa	RST38h: Not if your victim is stood next to a fuel tank.	21:51
RST38h	Jaffa: But good for thermorectal cryptoanalysis	21:51
Jaffa	RST38h: That doesn't sound like fun; to receive anyway.	21:51
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alterego	Well, I've just been talking to some friends that use iPhones, and asking them what apps they use, they all said "facebook", and other websites that do things like give them cinema times, local news and that kind of stuff.	21:52
alterego	All websites.	21:52
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smps	konttori, do you know status of this bug report ? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7026	21:52
povbot`	Bug 7026: Can't get a GPS lock with several satellites at view	21:52
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RST38h	#7026 is The Bug	21:53
RST38h	Epic etc	21:53
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RST38h	wazd: Well...installing.	21:55
konttori	smps: I don't, but I have taken it now under my radar. I'll get the location guys working on it.	21:57
smps	konttori, thx	21:57
RST38h	konttori: #7026 is half-a-bug. Another half is Ovi Maps restarting gps acquisition every 30 seconds	21:58
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smps	actually i did some tests with that location test gui app mentioned in bug report and have not used ovi maps at all	21:58
smps	i was testing if phone can get location fix	21:58
Stskeeps	konttori: think quim is gently whipping them a bit on the issue already	21:59
smps	there are time where i get 5 sats in view and all of them have over 25 dbHz signals but no fix	21:59
RST38h	wazd: Miraculously I do not see too much disk space decrease	22:00
konttori	Hmm.. I will only next week start digesting the other teams, so I have quite bad knowledge of some components (e.g. gps ). will improve next week	22:00
RST38h	Whatever those 9MB contained, did not go to /	22:00
RST38h	Theme selector says "Marina by Andrew Zhilin"	22:01
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Zoup	is repository.maemo.org dead? i can not even resolve the address	22:01
RST38h	wazd: Ok, you want comments?	22:01
smps	Zoup, read topic	22:01
frals	Zoup: yes, mirror is in topic	22:01
Zoup	sorry!	22:01
Jaffa	konttori: You 1.2 mgr?	22:02
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konttori	Jaffa: I'll start managing OS from next week on for fremantle	22:03
Jaffa	konttori: Exciting stuff :)	22:03
konttori	so, everything but the apps (well, OS includes also HAM, backup, file manager, contacts,xterm)	22:04
konttori	but not e.g. rtcom nor browser.	22:04
RST38h	Aaaa! Heeere you go!	22:04
RST38h	konttori: XTerm!!! 8)	22:04
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konttori	while, e.g. logically rtcom would be more part of the base level, and contacts part of apps.	22:05
konttori	but, you know, it's not always logical in a big organization	22:05
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konttori	what about xterm?	22:05
RST38h	konttori: cannot configure shortcut bar, cannot move shortcut bar to the right	22:05
Stskeeps	RST38h: didn't you have commit to osso-xterm?	22:06
Stskeeps	:P	22:06
RST38h	konttori: Enter key behaves weirdly, because it is KP_Enter	22:06
RST38h	Stskeeps: Still do, do not have time though	22:06
konttori	hmm... let's make bugs again for those lost features and we'll add those at some point.	22:06
konttori	well, some of them	22:07
RST38h	konttori: ideally, would love full screen transparent keyboard overlay but yes, I do understand it is too much to ask	22:07
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RST38h	konttori: We have all the bugs	22:07
konttori	the shortcuts to right won't happen	22:07
RST38h	a moment	22:07
RST38h	konttori: Why? There is even a patch	22:07
konttori	it's so against the UI paradigm	22:07
RST38h	But it is comfortable	22:07
Jaffa	What about configurable shortcuts?	22:07
Stskeeps	RST38h: http://picasaweb.google.ru/Drew.Zhilin/MerArtwork#5363108569064718898	22:07
konttori	last time I owned xterm (in diablo), we had so many discussions about that	22:07
Jaffa	I miss ctrl-a,n and ctrl-a,p :-(	22:07
RST38h	Make it an option	22:08
konttori	since then, I lost xterm for fremantle and now have regained it back	22:08
RST38h	Jaffa: configurable, but only through the anus for now	22:08
RST38h	konttori: if it is a secret gconf setting, that would already be sufficient	22:08
Stskeeps	yeah, people can just make a XTerm configurator or something :P	22:08
frals	secret gconf-settings are awesome tbh	22:09
konttori	sure, we can think about that for the after pr1.2 release	22:09
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RST38h	Ok, here we go: bug #3929, bug #4912, bug #4914, bug #4913, bug #5327, bug #5326	22:09
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3929 Requesting integration of some community supplied XTerm enhancements	22:10
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4912 Add vertical shortcut placement option to XTerm	22:10
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 Add context menu to XTerm (for URLs, etc)	22:10
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4913 Add transparent full screen keyboard option to XTerm	22:10
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 Reintroduce shortcut configuration into Maemo5 XTerm	22:10
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5326 Reintroduce character encoding options into Maemo5 XTerm	22:10
RST38h	And bug #6045 to top it off	22:10
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6045 ENTER key stops working in XTerm	22:10
RST38h	konttori: [you can instantly see what app geeks use most]	22:10
konttori	wtf. the last must get fixed	22:11
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RST38h	it is a KP_Enter issue	22:11
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MaemohammadAG	do nokia check all bugs? or does it depend on votes?	22:13
MaemohammadAG	cause this one hasn't been replied to by anyone https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8089	22:13
povbot`	Bug 8089: Clicking notifications for e-mails in folders displays an error	22:14
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pupnik	good summary RST38h	22:20
RST38h	well the xterm issues are well known	22:20
pupnik	i need to remember how i made fullscreen truly fullscreen so i can't access menu	22:20
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pupnik	now when i have one fullscreen xterm, and click the terminal desktop icon, it brings up my existing fullscreen xterm - and there's no way to open another one clicky-wise	22:21
pupnik	imo desktop icon should create a new xterm	22:21
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RST38h	well, xterm is a single app that opens multiple windows	22:27
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RST38h	that is how it has been designed afaik	22:27
wazd_	downloaded new firmware after 8 attempts :)	22:27
crashanddie	sup	22:27
RST38h	wazd: Ok, you want comments on the theme, before I go do some chores?	22:28
wazd_	RST38h: sure	22:28
RST38h	wazd: 1) No little "cross" icons used in desktop editing mode (see screenshot)	22:28
wazd_	RST38h: ah	22:28
RST38h	wazd: 2) The background is way too bold, it practically obscures desktop shortcuts	22:28
wazd_	RST38h: then it is an old template	22:28
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RST38h	wazd: 3) highlighted buttons (SEND, END, etc) are too dark, they are hard to differentiate from normal buttons	22:29
wazd_	RST38h: background of what?	22:29
RST38h	wazd: desktop background	22:29
wazd_	RST38h: bold? :)	22:29
RST38h	wazd: 4) App Manager main screen is orange with...mhmm...PINK highlights.	22:29
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RST38h	wazd: 5) Media Player main screen is poisonously green =)	22:30
wazd_	RST38h: aaaah	22:30
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wazd_	RST38h: ok, that's a very old template, sorry :P	22:30
RST38h	wazd: bold as in yarkij, kontrastnyi	22:30
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wazd_	RST38h: yeah, now I see	22:30
wazd_	RST38h: "bloody" :D	22:30
RST38h	wazd: the default bg konttori used was actually a nice example of a good background	22:31
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wazd_	RST38h: http://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/wp3.jpg	22:31
wazd_	RST38h: these are current	22:31
RST38h	wazd: but anyway 6) Dark halves of the buttons are a bit too dark, they blend with the black background	22:31
wazd_	RST38h: that background is not mine :P	22:31
konttori	I really like mer gb image	22:31
RST38h	Yea, I know :)	22:31
RST38h	wazd: 7) dunno if it is doable, but can you make scroll bar knobs round? :)	22:32
wazd_	RST38h: don't think so	22:32
RST38h	wazd: Ah...well, no big deal	22:32
* Stskeeps is a big fan of the Dexter-style variant background of the nokia hildon-theme-variant-template, http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer0.17bloody.png		22:32
RST38h	Sts: but...mm...it is bloody! =)	22:33
Stskeeps	indeed it is	22:33
RST38h	wazd: (actually, I wanted to ask you to maybe fix the default Digital Life theme a little bit ;))	22:34
cehteh	... still waiting for a bright theme :P	22:34
cehteh	(and a new device)	22:34
villager	pupnik: well, you can un-fullscreen the xterm, click the menu/title bar, and click "new", then re-fullscreen it... that's how I do it clicky-wise but it's a bit many clicks yeah	22:35
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konttori	some nice bgs in here: http://www.triplemonitorbackgrounds.com/	22:37
konttori	e.g. this is pretty freakin great: http://www.triplemonitorbackgrounds.com/microscopic/Neuron.jpg.php?z&p=full-image	22:37
RevdKathy	There's a bright Pink theme if you want bright	22:37
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konttori	hey, we have nice new feature for bgs in pr1.2: all images of 3200x480 are automatically listed in the bgs list.	22:38
RevdKathy	http://www.flickr.com/photos/45336204@N08/4268239855/	22:38
villager	well, I guess people might consider me slightly gay anyway, why not	22:38
konttori	Any idea if that should be relaxed to cover also everything larger than that?	22:38
Jaffa	konttori: Nice; I think that's a good heuristic.	22:38
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Jaffa	konttori: People will be downloading images specifically of that size.	22:39
RST38h	kinda hard to expect someone to have an image of these dimensions by chance...	22:39
cehteh	RevdKathy: thinking more about black on white	22:39
wazd_	cehteh: I was really thinking to make some milky "ovi suite" style theme	22:39
frals	RevdKathy: thats... really pink :D	22:39
janszoon	Hello all: Simple question...what is th xterminal command to view battery level?	22:39
RST38h	cehteh: A NeXTstep theme!	22:39
RevdKathy	I have teddy bears	22:39
RevdKathy	yes, the pink is seriously... pink	22:40
frals	janszoon: lshal\|grep batt	22:40
RST38h	No desktop is complete without a NeXTstep theme	22:40
konttori	lol	22:40
RevdKathy	I may use it for Valentines. One day peryear might be its limit	22:40
janszoon	@frals Thanks !	22:40
cehteh	wazd_: purpose: when using the n900 in bright sunlight .. much white and big/bold black text is best readable on the transreflexive display then	22:40
frals	np	22:40
RevdKathy	I have the digital nature with a bears wallpaper	22:40
timeless_mbp	RevdKathy: so i have some questions for people	22:40
RST38h	<gone period="20m"/>	22:40
cehteh	so mostly white .. black text and few but satuated colors	22:40
timeless_mbp	Jaffa: got time to read a draft blog entry?	22:40
Jaffa	timeless_mbp: As long as it's shorter than War & Peace...	22:41
RevdKathy	if I can help, timeless_mbp - not sure I can tho	22:41
Jaffa	timeless_mbp: About to sit down with the missus.	22:41
Jaffa	timeless_mbp: But I can take a look...	22:41
cehteh	btw where is the relation between brightness sensor and screen brightness configured?	22:41
MaemohammadAG	lol angrybirds lvlpack1 is on a repo on my device	22:41
timeless_mbp	it's shorter :)	22:41
MaemohammadAG	could be jebba's	22:41
Stskeeps	janszoon: hal-device bme	22:42
MaemohammadAG	angrybirds-levelpack1 - Extra levels to Angry Birds	22:42
frals	on the topic of backgrounds, i love this for my "xterm and devstuff" desktop on the n900 http://divineerror.deviantart.com/art/Technical-Imperfection-10069275 ;D	22:42
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janszoon	Is there a wiki or something somewhere for simple xterminal commands like battery, CPU etc?	22:43
konttori	good point. there should be, but there isn't afaik	22:43
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RevdKathy	would be really, really useful in the wiki	22:44
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RevdKathy	I;m surprised it doesn't already exist	22:45
janszoon	Cool, can someone who knows this stuff think about setting it up, I'm sure HEAPS of people would benifit and enjoy :-)	22:45
Stskeeps	wiki.maemo.org has hordes of info	22:45
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RevdKathy	is it in one tidy place, Stskeeps? Could we put it in one tidy place, like the keyboard shortcuts?	22:46
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Stskeeps	RevdKathy: n900 tips and tricks not so much	22:46
RevdKathy	would it be worth making a page for 'common xterminal commands'?	22:47
Stskeeps	of course	22:47
Stskeeps	n900 cheatsheet	22:47
Stskeeps	:P	22:47
RevdKathy	That would be brilliant :)	22:47
RevdKathy	Yes please!	22:47
janszoon	that souds good...looking at wiki too though....just hard to see in one view ;-)	22:47
* Stskeeps is sitting and looking at a way to do miniprojects in a community		22:47
chem\|st	???	22:47
chem\|st	hi RevdKathy btw	22:47
RevdKathy	Hi Chm\|st	22:48
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chem\|st	'common xterminal commands'?	22:48
chem\|st	what are you after? "df -h" like stuff?	22:49
RevdKathy	how do I move a brainstorm on now, so it doesn't get stuck at the ideas stage? O wise one of the Brainstorm (chem\|st)	22:49
chem\|st	lol	22:49
chem\|st	RevdKathy: dont know yet	22:49
RevdKathy	yeah - df -h, the command to see the exact battery level	22:49
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chem\|st	so real basics?	22:50
RevdKathy	I want to know whether I can do the python optify safely	22:50
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RevdKathy	yeah - a few basic ones for us linux n900bs to try	22:50
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RevdKathy	(only python I ever knew was a dance partner)	22:50
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chem\|st	should I start typing at the wiki then?	22:50
RevdKathy	yes please! do	22:51
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RevdKathy	the first xterm command I ever used was the battery level	22:51
RevdKathy	then Hopbeat talked me through colecting sheep	22:51
chem\|st	everything apart of talk is stuck for me at the moment, dont know what the guys do but there seems to be some kind of css messup	22:51
chem\|st	df	22:52
RevdKathy	yeah - it's all part of the server crash	22:52
Jaffa	RevdKathy: "Do the Python optify safely"?	22:52
RevdKathy	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41023	22:52
chem\|st	shows partition usage	22:52
smps	RevdKathy, lshal \| grep perc \| awk '{print $3}'	22:52
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chem\|st	Jaffa: didnt want to ask this ;)	22:52
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RevdKathy	people in the n900 forum are saying you can optify the python libraries and free up rootfs space	22:52
Jaffa	RevdKathy: The people in the N900 forum are talking bollocks. Quelle surprise!	22:53
chem\|st	RevdKathy: dont do that stuff yourself	22:53
Jaffa	RevdKathy: Python and its libraries are now optified by default!	22:53
RevdKathy	LOL - it seems to have worked for them	22:53
frals	python is optified by default isnt it?	22:53
Jaffa	frals: Yes	22:53
frals	doh, Jaffa beat me to it :)	22:53
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RevdKathy	really? what if I installed stuff from before it was?	22:53
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pupnik	important to use ! for tmo	22:53
Jaffa	RevdKathy: Go to X Terminal, and do `apt-cache policy pymaemo-optify' (don't need to be root)	22:54
flux	how recent feature was that? because I'm pretty sure I release some root space by installing the pymaemo-optify -package	22:54
Jaffa	RevdKathy: If you've got an * next to a version, Python is optified.	22:54
RevdKathy	Thanks flux - I didn;t imagine it	22:54
Jaffa	Alternatively, you can just type "mount" and if you see references to /usr/lib/python2.5 (and other Python stuff), Python is optified.	22:54
flux	also: dpkg -S /usr/lib/python2.5/weakref.py -> says python2.5 owns a file not in /opt	22:54
Jaffa	flux: Python owns lots of files not in /opt	22:55
flux	jaffa, sure, but I'm also pretty sure those mounts didn't exist before I installed the package :)	22:55
Jaffa	flux: But they're not in the rootfs.	22:55
flux	jaffa, yes, I know how it works	22:55
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Jaffa	flux: Just checkin' ;-)	22:55
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chem\|st	guys keep it basic for RevdKathy	22:55
RevdKathy	unable to locate package pymaemo-optify	22:55
Jaffa	flux: There is a point in time at which pymaemo-optify was not installed.	22:55
RevdKathy	is what it says	22:55
pupnik	can for me too	22:55
Jaffa	In...teresting.	22:56
flux	jaffa, is pymaemo-optify part of pr1.1?	22:56
RevdKathy	Mo is obviously missing summat	22:56
Jaffa	flux: Python isn't part of the base; it comes from extras.	22:56
flux	oh, ok	22:56
flux	so it should come as part of the upgrades	22:56
flux	?	22:56
Jaffa	flux: Yeah	22:56
Jaffa	pymaemo-optify 0.2 is in Extras	22:56
flux	well, I might have skipped a beat while making space for pr1.1, by installing it manually	22:57
RevdKathy	I think that's what people said they were doing, flux	22:57
* Jaffa emails pymaemo-developers, Quim, X-Fade and jeremiah about making sure that pymaemo-optify 0.4 is in extras		22:57
Jaffa	RevdKathy: If you install a Python app, you SHOULD be getting it automatically. That's the intent.	22:58
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Jaffa	People spend so long thinking they're clever rather than reporting a problem.	22:58
wazd_	RST38h: right now widgets should look like this: http://i056.radikal.ru/1001/b0/f1fd504742d2.png	22:58
RevdKathy	I suspect I have python apps from before it was there	22:58
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RevdKathy	I have had witter for a while, for exaple	22:58
RevdKathy	from testing	22:58
chem\|st	RevdKathy: with an upgrade of those apps you should get the optified one	22:59
RevdKathy	That's what I was assuming - and waiting for something to upgrade	22:59
RevdKathy	but witter has stuck.	22:59
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RevdKathy	not sure what else I have on python	22:59
frals	since fMMS depends on python you shouldve gotten the upgrade when installing that a few days back	22:59
chem\|st	common sense is "stay away from testing and devel as long as you arent tester nor developer"	22:59
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RevdKathy	ahhh apparently not	22:59
chem\|st	RevdKathy: have you set up mirror repos?	23:00
RevdKathy	I agree, chem\|ist - i have about 2 apps fro anything other than extras so I could do my bit for testing	23:00
RevdKathy	no, I thought I'd wait	23:00
chem\|st	;)	23:00
edgar2	revdkathy, my friend mece also had problems getting python optified	23:00
konttori	so, garage servers aren't working?	23:00
Jaffa	frals: HAM won't update library dependencies.	23:00
Jaffa	konttori: Indeed; though things seem to come through occasionally	23:01
konttori	wazd_: those widgets look great	23:01
frals	Jaffa: ah, okey	23:01
wazd_	konttori: well, thanks :)	23:01
frals	ive gotten garage to load a few times, not dared to do anything on there thou	23:01
edgar2	in his case, he'd gotten it automatically through some -devel app, and the solution afair was to remove python completely and the reinstall it through some extras app that needed python	23:01
RevdKathy	I'm not too worried - I kind of assumed it would right itself in sue course as something updated	23:01
RevdKathy	won't it?	23:02
Jaffa	RevdKathy: Thanks for the pointer - I've sent an email to the appropriate people	23:02
RevdKathy	Thanks - there#s a few threads on it in the n900 forum	23:02
chem\|st	Jaffa: thx	23:02
chem\|st	this is just not the way it should be...	23:02
* RevdKathy reads voraciously, and remembers even what she doesn;t understand		23:02
Jaffa	RevdKathy: Yes, it should do (well, ish, see earlier commment about HAM upgrading non user/ libraries)	23:02
Jaffa	RevdKathy: Handy	23:02
* Jaffa reads less voraciously, hence his "someone reads TMO so I don't have to" idea (http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Weekly_News)		23:03
RevdKathy	very useful - brain = search function	23:03
RevdKathy	when I left my last place after 10 years they complained I was depriving them of the archive	23:03
RevdKathy	I think that's a good idea Jaffa - I think more dynamic communications generally	23:04
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RevdKathy	I like the 'ticker' for vital news (like the repos being down) is a good one too	23:04
RevdKathy	and we defo need an offical twitter account	23:04
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RevdKathy	I's sign up to be one of the 'feeds' for your news if you like - just pick up bits from the forum and let someone see if they're important	23:05
konttori	wazd_: I need to get the rss widget image set correctly finally	23:05
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konttori	new version of nuvofre: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/7258/nuvofre_1.05_all.deb	23:06
frals	seeing as RevdKathy usually responds within 2minutes on twitter I think she'd make a great twitter-spammer for maemo news ;)	23:06
RevdKathy	LOL - yeah, twitter-spammer that's me	23:06
konttori	definitely worth testing. Lots of improvements.	23:06
chem\|st	spammer indeed... ;)	23:06
RevdKathy	the python issue is on the wiki: http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space	23:07
chem\|st	ah wiki is working for me again...	23:07
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chem\|st	RevdKathy: that entry is just fine!	23:08
RevdKathy	yep	23:08
wazd_	btw, while visiting spb, we've discussed /opt stuff	23:08
RevdKathy	and here;'s the thread where I read it: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=469070#post469070	23:09
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RevdKathy	took it in, thought "I has python apps... should do that?" and decided I'd wait and hope it sorted itself	23:09
wazd_	I came up with the idea to move the system to the 30gb partition and make a small FAT partition with autorun to install EXT drivers for windows	23:10
wazd_	am I crazy?	23:10
Stskeeps	wazd_: no, except emmc is for some reason slower	23:10
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Stskeeps	cloning happened on n8x0 too	23:10
wazd_	is it that slower? :)	23:11
chem\|st	wazd_: no that is what I will do, well not that way but some alike	23:11
chem\|st	wazd_: yes its that slower	23:11
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chem\|st	as I dont need vfat I wont have one	23:12
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RST38h	wazd: Have to admit I do not like the two-sided look	23:13
chem\|st	for everyone else I can just send an email with a link to the windows drivers...	23:13
RST38h	wazd: Something does not click: I do not perceive it as a single square reflecting light	23:13
RST38h	wazd: Looks like two halves, bright and dark	23:13
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wazd_	RST38h: well, yeah, gloss is too bright, I've changed that already	23:14
cehteh	chem\|st: is the camera save on non fat solved?	23:14
chem\|st	cehteh: not yet afaik	23:15
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RST38h	wazd: really like the Digital Nature's "concave" button look though, too bad it has got some other problems	23:15
chem\|st	cehteh: you remind me that I wanted to buy a wifi sd card...	23:15
wazd_	RST38h: haven't seen it	23:15
GeneralAntilles	microlith, N810 and N810 WiMAX Edition.	23:16
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GeneralAntilles	Jaffa, that MWN logo your work?	23:17
microlith	GeneralAntilles: Ok, so those entries probably don't have any effect on the N900...	23:17
GeneralAntilles	Sygic is horribly slow at responding to trademark issues.	23:17
GeneralAntilles	microlith, no.	23:18
pupnik	rss-glx could be ported	23:18
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timeless_mbp	wazd_: the ext? drivers last i checked were fairly risky	23:20
sivang	how do I create a normal user that can sudo on the N900 ?	23:20
timeless_mbp	it'd be one thing if they were fuse based	23:20
sivang	I want to log using SSH	23:20
timeless_mbp	and fuse worked well	23:20
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timeless_mbp	but i'd sooner rely on SMB	23:20
sivang	and I don't want to enable R&D mode	23:20
timeless_mbp	and supply the usb-ethernet driver instead	23:20
timeless_mbp	sivang: err	23:20
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timeless_mbp	you can add an ssh key to root	23:21
timeless_mbp	and just ssh to root@ :)	23:21
timeless_mbp	but /etc/sudoers.d/ exists	23:21
timeless_mbp	if you want to add something, just create a file there and run update-sudoers	23:21
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* timeless_mbp pokes RevdKathy in /query		23:23
chem\|st	cehteh: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7160 not resolved	23:23
povbot`	Bug 7160: Camera app hardcodes and requires FAT partition	23:23
RevdKathy	Ouch!	23:23
RST38h	Does it?	23:23
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cehteh	thats the most stupid bug i seen so far	23:24
chem\|st	yes	23:24
cehteh	dunno what they smoked when doing that wrong	23:25
chem\|st	cehteh: I'd like to know who was it and ask him to share?!	23:25
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chem\|st	;)	23:25
cehteh	chem\|st: nope thats really bad stuff	23:25
pupnik	they were _doing_ something, unlike me	23:25
pupnik	there is a foss camera app btw	23:26
cehteh	neither shrooms nor thc impedes coding that way :P	23:26
chem\|st	cehteh: maybe it wasnt smoking, maybe they are from microsoft and tried balmer's experiment again remeber ME?	23:26
cehteh	yeah .. or failed the ballmer-peak	23:26
chem\|st	yeah failed it about two bottles	23:27
cehteh	methanole :)	23:27
RST38h	ok, sleep.	23:28
chem\|st	who gave them guys a year supply on wiskey would be in...teresting, maybe I could sign up...	23:28
RST38h	this is it	23:28
RST38h	btw, thanks to whoever made BT work better with WiFi on.	23:28
timeless_mbp	cehteh: so um	23:28
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timeless_mbp	we drank the Gnome VFS CoolAid	23:29
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timeless_mbp	it says "listen for volume mount notices" "don't write to volumes that aren't mounted"	23:29
timeless_mbp	and other fun stuff	23:29
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cehteh	timeless: but from where comes the limit on fat?	23:30
cehteh	bug in gnome vfs?	23:31
timeless_mbp	i haven't seen a specific fat limit so far	23:31
timeless_mbp	i'm @c9 reading	23:31
pupnik	microb is inserting www. in front of pupnik.de	23:31
pupnik	bad microb	23:31
cehteh	people telling that it cant write to self partitioned devices	23:31
cehteh	i dont have a device currently ..	23:31
timeless_mbp	pupnik: what precisely did you do?	23:32
chem\|st	cehteh: oh sent back...	23:32
cehteh	but hey .. there is statfs() and you can make it not to write to the root volume instead the other way around and expect a specific volume	23:32
pupnik	typing http://pupnik.de	23:32
pupnik	works on pc	23:32
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pupnik	is this dns hijinks again?	23:32
chem\|st	cehteh: I found some fiber selfpatching equipment at a local hardware store for building car stuff, not very expensive though	23:33
pupnik	it is dns hijinks.. sorry	23:33
cehteh	and looks ugly i bet	23:33
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timeless_mbp	pupnik: what's that?	23:34
chem\|st	cehteh: white...	23:34
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chem\|st	from realy fine to known coarse	23:34
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cehteh	btw .. we have a gps which has a slightly milky/ antiglare very hard screen protector foil, i dont know that brand, but i want that for the n900	23:35
cehteh	anyone knows which ones are these?	23:36
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cehteh	similar surface like non-glare laptop screens, but feels even tougher	23:36
cehteh	(and thinner)	23:36
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xorAxAx	you bought a gps without any name on it?	23:39
xorAxAx	unit	23:39
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GeneralAntilles	cehteh, Boxwave is probably the brand you're after.	23:39
GeneralAntilles	But they haven't released a protector for the N900 yet.	23:39
cehteh	xorAxAx: karin got a 2nd hand one as chrismas present .. with a 3rd party screen protector	23:40
cehteh	i am very much impressed about the screen protector :)	23:40
xorAxAx	ah, you want to know the brand of the foil	23:40
cehteh	yes	23:40
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cehteh	it feels hard and you can easily swipe with your fingers on it	23:41
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GeneralAntilles	Yeah, Boxwave anti-glare.	23:41
cehteh	ok .. guess i use my used durasec until these become available	23:42
xorAxAx	google goggles for maemo would be cool	23:42
GeneralAntilles	Everybody fill this in: http://www.boxwave.com/community/request/index.htm	23:43
GeneralAntilles	Clear-touch	23:43
xorAxAx	do you know it? http://www.google.com/mobile/goggles/	23:43
cehteh	GeneralAntilles: are these sticky? this one here seems to be very sticky not just slightly adhesive	23:43
GeneralAntilles	cehteh, it stays stuck to the screen if that's what you're asking	23:44
GeneralAntilles	It's not like the back's coated in glue, though.	23:44
cehteh	the one on the gps is coated with glue	23:44
* GeneralAntilles wonders why maemo.org is afflicted with a string of awful ISPs.		23:44
SpeedEvil	GeneralAntilles: someones skimming the funds!	23:45
red	http://www.firstpersontetris.com/	23:45
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cehteh	the durasec was quite hard to peel off btw	23:45
red	that with accelerometer	23:45
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arpwatch	did xchat finally make it into extras, or is it only on the extras-mirror?	23:47
GeneralAntilles	cehteh, is that a desirable feature?	23:47
GeneralAntilles	I like ones that aren't impossible to remove so they can be reapplied as dirt and dust creeps in under the sides.	23:47
RevdKathy	yeahm xchat made it to extras so I could update it - just as the repos went down :(	23:47
cehteh	GeneralAntilles: well something inbetween .. should not accidentally peel off at least	23:48
GeneralAntilles	red, nauseating.	23:48
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RevdKathy	ok, Goodnight all :)	23:48
GeneralAntilles	cehteh, yeah, that's not even close to an issue. :)	23:48
frals	gnite RevdKathy	23:49
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xorAxAx	i applied a screen protector but a lot of air bubbles remained	23:49
xorAxAx	what did i do wrong?	23:49
cehteh	depends	23:49
xorAxAx	i was annoyed and removed it and threw it away	23:49
GeneralAntilles	xorAxAx, depends on the brand.	23:49
GeneralAntilles	Boxwave provides a little plastic widget to push all of the bubbles out.	23:50
cehteh	for mine it was the same and settles within 2-3 days like a 2nd skin	23:50
cehteh	durasec	23:50
romano2k	what are the best brands?	23:50
cehteh	depends on your preference	23:50
GeneralAntilles	http://wiki.maemo.org/Screen_protector	23:50
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GeneralAntilles	Personally, I really like Boxwave.	23:50
SpeedEvil	xorAxAx: if the bubbles are just bubbles - then they can dissapear in a day or three	23:50
cehteh	some very good protecting ones have some rubbery feel	23:50
xorAxAx	SpeedEvil: i should have known that :)	23:51
SpeedEvil	xorAxAx: diffusion	23:51
user__	is there a way I can see how much data I've used so far on my N900?	23:51
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SpeedEvil	user__: settings -> phone or something - has phone data counters for the phone connection	23:51
cehteh	GeneralAntilles: you are right .. i just tried, the one on this gps has no glue but sticks very well	23:51
cehteh	so i think boxware anti-glare will be my favorite	23:52
Jeff91	thanks SpeedEvil	23:52
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timeless_mbp	Jaffa / GeneralAntilles : https://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Images%20and%20Camera	23:54
timeless_mbp	can anyone argue that the default assignee is not wrong for Camera?	23:54
Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: Yes; MWkN logo is my own work	23:55
GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, no.	23:55
GeneralAntilles	Jaffa, I like the n. ;)	23:55
Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: Ta. GIMP FTW	23:55
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GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, "Internet Tablet" isn't a part of the Nokia brand anymore.	23:55
Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: Once I realised variants of 'mwn' were taken, I had to expand it. Hence the temporary "k"	23:55
xorAxAx	woah, at first glance i thought my screen is broken	23:56
xorAxAx	but its just braek	23:56
Jaffa	timeless_mbp: A hang over from the N8x0 days	23:56
SpeedEvil	braek is silly.	23:56
SpeedEvil	braek should be packaged witn n900fly	23:56
timeless_mbp	GeneralAntilles / Jaffa : oh, i know	23:56
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Jaffa	Bah, council@maemo.org email is still not being delivered.	23:57
romano2k	thank you cehteh	23:57
GeneralAntilles	Jaffa, Monday, I suppose.	23:57
cehteh	xorAxAx: what brand of screen protector do you have?	23:57
xorAxAx	n900fly was secretly developed by nokia to increase sales	23:57
romano2k	what about Brando and Exim ?	23:57
xorAxAx	cehteh: a cheap noname one	23:57
cehteh	for all other devices i own i made good success with self adhesive cold laminating foil	23:58
xorAxAx	cehteh: i chose not to use one	23:58
romano2k	repositories still down right?	23:58
b-man[webos]	yup	23:59
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Stskeeps	Proposal: Project management for maemo.org: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=478721	23:59

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