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| Stskeeps | javispedro: does the new patch take into considering little vs big endian? you seem to cut kinda short and say it's unsigned short | 00:01 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: it does not. but that does not cause white boxes. | 00:01 |
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| Stskeeps | true | 00:01 |
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| mkargar | papo:whats root password in maemo? | 00:02 |
| ShadowJK | Uh oh, Operator tried to send me "WAP" settings. | 00:02 |
| ShadowJK | I'm surprised N900 even handles settings messages from operator.. | 00:02 |
| mkargar | papo:i want ping the adreess!but,it need to pass! | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dunno if it's been mentioned yet: you actually *can* operate FM-radio and FM-TX concurrently. You can even tune to station "NOKIA" and have a nice feedback X-P | 00:03 |
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| mkargar | what is root pass in maemo? | 00:03 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: would be nice if it told you restrictions stuff | 00:04 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, eh? | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there's no rootpw | 00:04 |
| luke-jr | "Your Operator asks that you not tether." | 00:04 |
| luke-jr | [OK] | 00:04 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, it's not in the gsm spec | 00:04 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: :) | 00:04 |
| luke-jr | well, *that* DRM is tolerable IMO | 00:04 |
| papo | mkargar: http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access | 00:04 |
| luke-jr | "Your Operator has forbidden tethering per your terms of service. Just FYI..." :p | 00:05 |
| mkargar | papo:very thx! | 00:05 |
| papo | you are welcome | 00:05 |
| ShadowJK | iirc from s60 the possible fields are: APN, idle time, IPv4 address manual/automatic, IPv6 address manual/automatic, Proxy address, no proxy for <x>, home page | 00:05 |
| ShadowJK | probably forgot some | 00:05 |
| papo | mkargar: it may be easier to ping the n900 from the laptop | 00:05 |
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| Shinkamui | my n900 is belimic | 00:06 |
| ShadowJK | oh, username, password was in there too somewhere... | 00:06 |
| ShadowJK | though mine doesn't use it | 00:06 |
| ShadowJK | just has an APN.. | 00:06 |
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| hrw | btw - someone knows what Shift-Ctrl-R is supposed to do in maemo5/ | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mkargar: or in short: install rootsh. Enter cmd 'root' | 00:06 |
| pupnik | spoke too soon hrw :) | 00:07 |
| hrw | 205 /* Toggle the portrait-capable flag on and off on the topmost window */ | 00:07 |
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| hrw | bye anyway | 00:09 |
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| woglinde | bye hrw | 00:09 |
| papo | DocScrutinizer51: I guess he can't do that easily because he has no network access... pinging the other way round should be as fine anyway | 00:09 |
| ShadowJK | hrw|gone, i think that's in the next firmware release | 00:09 |
| Shinkamui | wack! i always used sudo gainroot | 00:09 |
| pupnik | it works right now in GPodder | 00:09 |
| ShadowJK | shift ^r does? | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hrw|gone: where TF did you find that?? | 00:10 |
| pupnik | eh oops no | 00:10 |
| pupnik | darn | 00:10 |
| hrw|gone | DocScrutinizer51: use the source ;D | 00:10 |
| mkargar | papo:for use sudo gaineroot,i must connect to internet!!! | 00:11 |
| papo | mkargar: yes. This is why I suggested to ping the N900 from your laptop instead of pinging the laptop from the N900 | 00:11 |
| ShadowJK | they do call it "always online" device... | 00:11 |
| ifreq | what about connecting via bluetooth?? .. | 00:12 |
| ifreq | or use proper wlan router | 00:13 |
| mkargar | papo:how to ping n900 from laptop? | 00:13 |
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| ifreq | mkargar: tell me why you run archlinux when basic skills are not known? | 00:13 |
| papo | mkargar: ping <ip_of_n900> ? | 00:13 |
| ifreq | mkargar: it worries me. | 00:13 |
| papo | ifreq: me too to be honest... | 00:13 |
| lcuk | ifreq, why does it worry you? | 00:14 |
| mkargar | ifreq:i am a developer and no skills about networking! | 00:15 |
| ifreq | lcuk: because now ppl need todo amazing effort trying to help him instead of using some OS he can really use. | 00:15 |
| ifreq | mkargar: okay. well you do know man command? | 00:16 |
| ifreq | like man ping | 00:16 |
| wackl | is there a way to "unsubscribe" imap folders in modest? | 00:16 |
| lcuk | high barrier of entry can only be eroded by n00bs coming in having trouble | 00:16 |
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| ifreq | wackl: well atleast with proper email client ie. thunderbird you can do em quite nicely | 00:16 |
| lcuk | its more damning on the original system to retain the high barrier of entry just for cliques sake | 00:16 |
| mkargar | ifreq:yes! | 00:17 |
| wackl | ifreq: hm, in thunderbird im only subscribed to some folders. on the n900 i see them all... | 00:17 |
| mkargar | papo:how to set ip adress for n900? | 00:17 |
| ifreq | mkargar: wouldnt it be easier that you just buy wifirouter to be honest? | 00:17 |
| ShadowJK | wackl, no way to manage subscribing in modest | 00:17 |
| ifreq | wackl: after the unsubscrice or? | 00:18 |
| Shinkamui | lcuk very well spoken | 00:18 |
| wackl | ifreq: the folders were unsubscribed before i created the mail account on the N900 | 00:19 |
| mkargar | papo:how to set ip adress for n900? | 00:19 |
| wackl | ShadowJK: so i always see all folders and have to scrollscrollscrollagain? | 00:19 |
| ifreq | wackl: okay, this is 2nd time i heard this prob :P so the email client for some reason overrides the unsub flag | 00:19 |
| woglinde | mkargar in internet-connections | 00:19 |
| woglinde | mkargar in settings | 00:20 |
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| ShadowJK | wackl, I'm told it only shows folder subscribed on the server and that you can use something else like thunderbird to manage which folders are subscribed and which ones aren't | 00:20 |
| wackl | ifreq: yeah, i checked the courierimapsubscribed files, they are only showing the subscribed folders | 00:21 |
| wackl | ifreq: on the server side | 00:21 |
| Shinkamui | email client doesn't support offline imap | 00:21 |
| wackl | ShadowJK: hm, ok i'll try some more with subscribe/unsubscribe. maybe creating the account again | 00:22 |
| mkargar | papo:ok!only ip?no need subnet or gateway? | 00:22 |
| wackl | Shinkamui: i don't need offline imap. i only want to see 5 of the 20+ folders | 00:23 |
| papo | mkargar: set the gateway to the laptop's IP and select an appropriate netmask | 00:23 |
| papo | mkargar: hum which addresses did you select for the laptop and the n900? | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: similar effect | 00:23 |
| Shinkamui | mtwas a comment | 00:24 |
| Shinkamui | wackl | 00:24 |
| papo | hrm this mail for exchange thing is just not working :(. "Retrieving sync keys failed with status 4" | 00:24 |
| red | trying gmail? | 00:25 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: nothing arm-specific in mesa source | 00:25 |
| mkargar | papo:i set 169.254.32.2 fro wireless card! and 169.254.32.2 for n900!it's ok? | 00:25 |
| papo | red: No, I did enough digging through the docs that I know it's not supported | 00:26 |
| papo | red: this is exchange 2007 | 00:26 |
| papo | mkargar: uhm | 00:26 |
| Stskeeps | papo: there's a talk.maemo.org thread about it | 00:26 |
| papo | Stskeeps: yes a long one and I think that I went through it | 00:26 |
| papo | Stskeeps: I'm currently checking bugreports | 00:27 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: so, not a 4444 issue :( . | 00:27 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: well the old code takes care of BE vs LE | 00:27 |
| javispedro | but the new code just sends everything as the native order | 00:27 |
| javispedro | at worst, this may swap colors again | 00:27 |
| Stskeeps | isn't there a GL defined order or something for some things? | 00:28 |
| javispedro | _5_6_5 only has one: native | 00:28 |
| Stskeeps | k | 00:28 |
| papo | mkargar: can't you just use one of the usual reserved private blocks instead of the link-local block? | 00:28 |
| javispedro | so if we're getting textures in both byte orders we'd need to take care of that | 00:28 |
| javispedro | but that would be weird, since I never noticed that in x86 | 00:28 |
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| papo | mkargar: what IP address and netmask does the interface connected to the internet on the laptop has? Depending on that, appropriate addresses may be 192.168.0.1 and .2 | 00:29 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: if you want, you could try separating the two BGR/RGB switch branches and ... well.. play a bit :P | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: i really don't want to end up adding opengl hacking to my resume :P | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | it's bad enough i have scratchbox on it ;) | 00:30 |
| woglinde | *g* | 00:31 |
| javispedro | more like clutter ;) | 00:31 |
| ifreq | papo: are you sure laptop has wlan0 configured? | 00:31 |
| red | Hmm. The earplugs that came with N900 | 00:31 |
| ShadowJK | red, yes? | 00:32 |
| red | tried them on my laptop now and sound is horribly distorted unless I pull the plug jack a bit out | 00:32 |
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| papo | ifreq: no I'm not sure at all... but you should be... these 169-adresses are assigned automatically so I tend to no | 00:32 |
| red | and that results in mono sound naturally | 00:32 |
| ifreq | papo: yeah but i try be now kind so im just in background :) | 00:32 |
| ifreq | papo: easier to buy a wifirouter for 20eur :P | 00:33 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: I was thinking something like this http://pastebin.com/dfaac24b | 00:33 |
| papo | ifreq: probably... or read some docs about networking... but if this is going to be your final setup then a router may be worth the € 20 | 00:33 |
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| red | anyone else noticed anything odd with the earplugs? | 00:34 |
| red | havent tested them with the phone though, will try fast now | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: aiui for resume the fb 'endianness' is compleztely irrelevant, as you don't have a platform transit anywhere? | 00:34 |
| ifreq | papo: indeed :) | 00:34 |
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| red | Seems like they work without a hitch with the phone. But tried them in my laptop jack and its almost if that it didnt go in deep enough | 00:35 |
| caotic | any idea how to reset the sudo grantroot password for the n900 ? | 00:36 |
| red | sudo gainroot -> passwd | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | red: what's odd with hp? | 00:36 |
| red | hp? | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | red: nah | 00:37 |
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| red | pff, thought id use these as bythebed earplugs and use my expensive ones on the road | 00:38 |
| red | cats have a nasty habit of chewing on thin wires so dont like to leave em by the bedtable while sleeping | 00:38 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: trying to build with it | 00:38 |
| papo | hrm is the source code for this m4e thing available? | 00:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | red: the headaet jack is a standard conformant 3.5mm 4pin - compatible with all usual 3.5 3p stereojacks | 00:39 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: btw, can I test that with my N810? | 00:39 |
| javispedro | I mean, what's the latest (at least chrootable) Mer image? | 00:39 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: yes, but it is unusable due to the white backgrounds | 00:40 |
| * VDVsx facepalms @ Wiiwaa game -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwl8WZHy9z4&feature=player_embedded | 00:40 | |
| javispedro | I don't mind if I can just chroot in and run h-d | 00:40 |
| javispedro | (and it works :P ) | 00:40 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: not sure if it does :P | 00:40 |
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| javispedro | hm. | 00:40 |
| red | DocScrutinizer51: standard size, but not standard design | 00:40 |
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| red | its a 2-way jack I guess | 00:41 |
| javispedro | I might try to fix the real color issue (not this year though :P) and having that "test case" would help :) | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | err what? | 00:41 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: true | 00:41 |
| red | has one more black ring and different composition of the contact | 00:41 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: that issue happens on vmdk too though | 00:41 |
| red | just compared to two normal 3,5mm plugs | 00:41 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: like, with sw rendering only | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | red: toldya it's a 4pin for headset (has mic) | 00:41 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: I mean the armel one, I can reproduce the original colors bug with sbox | 00:41 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 00:42 |
| red | DocScrutinizer51: yepp | 00:42 |
| red | ah misseed you saying 4pinns | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | red: the headaet jack is a standard conformant 3.5mm 4pin - compatible with all usual 3.5 3p stereojacks | 00:42 |
| red | blind me | 00:42 |
| red | anyhow, tested on my laptop and walkman noww | 00:42 |
| red | both dont connect properly | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | strange | 00:43 |
| red | however, found an adapter | 00:43 |
| ShadowJK | The included headphones only work on Nokia 3.5mm devices. The Nokia devices with 3.5mm port works with most headphones. | 00:43 |
| red | so can use em bedside | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe you haven't inserted completely | 00:43 |
| red | :) | 00:43 |
| red | DocScrutinizer51: its as deep as it goes | 00:44 |
| red | if you look at the base of the plug | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: so how that?? | 00:44 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: the white issue should exist in http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/0.17testing4/mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.17testing4.tar.gz | 00:44 |
| red | theres a extruded metal circle there | 00:44 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: ta! | 00:44 |
| red | so prolly nokia device has longer contacct base and it works | 00:44 |
| red | but it wont work with standard jacks | 00:44 |
| red | double checked now, its the same size | 00:45 |
| ShadowJK | the included ones are still in the plastic bag they came in, haven't tried them.. | 00:45 |
| red | oh well, doesnt really matter for me, but quite stupid from nokia | 00:46 |
| red | dunno whats the point | 00:46 |
| ShadowJK | the mic and button? | 00:46 |
| red | dunno whats the point09 | 00:46 |
| red | thankfully this old adapter works =) | 00:46 |
| infobot | red: pas de quoi | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | absolutely no dfference between nolia headset jack and other 3,5 headset or headphone (except missing mic ring) here | 00:46 |
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| ShadowJK | red, wait, is this about using the nokia headphones with non-nokia devices, or about using non-nokia headphones with n900? | 00:47 |
| blizzow1 | How can I tell what percentage the battery is charged on an N900? | 00:47 |
| red | nokia headphones with other device | 00:47 |
| ShadowJK | blizzow1, no way to tell during charge | 00:47 |
| Stskeeps | red: hal-device bme | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | adapter from 3.5 to 3.5???? o.O | 00:48 |
| red | Stskeeps what? | 00:48 |
| blizzow1 | ShadowJK: what about when it's unplugged? | 00:48 |
| ShadowJK | blizzow1, what sts said | 00:48 |
| Stskeeps | err, blizzow1: hal-device bme | 00:48 |
| red | DocScrutinizer51: yes, very old.. dunno what its called in english, but for making a longer cord | 00:48 |
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| red | DocScrutinizer51: and its quite loose so I could push the nokia jack deeper enough for it to get correct contact | 00:48 |
| ShadowJK | red, nokia headphones in non-nokia devices will be pretty random, and will depend on where the jack has placed the ground pin receptors | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's no adapter. And won't fix any issues | 00:49 |
| red | exactly how shadowjk put it | 00:49 |
| ShadowJK | The nokia headphoens have split one of the rings into two so that you can talk too | 00:49 |
| red | the receptors contact differently on the extension jack | 00:49 |
| blizzow1 | wow, hal-device bme is a little cryptic. | 00:50 |
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| red | and now that i plugged it into laptop/walkman the audio plays correctly without artifacts | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: same holds true for all non standard receptacles trying to hold standard pligs ;-J | 00:50 |
| ShadowJK | blizzow1, battery.reporting.current and percentage | 00:50 |
| red | id imagine walkman and asus EEE PC 904 have standard jacks | 00:50 |
| blizzow1 | ShadowJK: thanks./ | 00:50 |
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| ShadowJK | red, it's one way compatibility really, you can plug regular headphones into n900, but you can't plug apple handsfree headphones into n900 and you can't plug apple handsfree headphones or nokia headphones into standard 3.5mm devices (with 100% compatibility) | 00:51 |
| red | ShadowJK: I understand that aye. Luckily using that extension fixes the issue for me and I can use these at bedside without worrying that my cats chew on my good earplugs :) | 00:52 |
| red | Watch alot of telly after gf falls asleep so it's daily use | 00:53 |
| ShadowJK | What are your good earplugs? | 00:54 |
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| red | they are from shure | 00:55 |
| red | lemme check the model name, cant recall by heart | 00:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | red: http://www.forum.nokia.com/Technology_Topics/Mobile_Technologies/Connectivity_&_Interfaces/Wired_Interfaces/Nokia_AV_2.5mm_and_3.5mm_Connector.xhtml | 00:56 |
| red | Shure SE115 | 00:57 |
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| red | thats the exact model | 00:57 |
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| ShadowJK | ah | 00:58 |
| ShadowJK | nice | 00:58 |
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| Chiku | hi | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | red: Nokia AV conector is compatible to all 3.5mm stereo jacks | 00:58 |
| ShadowJK | no really | 00:58 |
| ShadowJK | not* | 00:58 |
| Chiku | is it possible to play 720p HD video on N900? | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | as long as *those* are standard | 00:58 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 00:58 |
| arachnist | http://wstaw.org/images/free/2009/12/30/a61df611f16a69b4b6b6a8ed246e3f.jpeg <| who wants to learn cisco? ;) | 00:59 |
| ShadowJK | yeah but they don't have to be standard in order to be compatible with standard plugs... heh | 00:59 |
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| red | DocScrutinizer: then it might be that the plugs that came with defect unit, or that compatible is a broad statement :) | 00:59 |
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| red | kinda like linksys thinks | 01:00 |
| red | their vista drivers for a certain wificard were win 7 compatible | 01:00 |
| * DocScrutinizer sighs and quits | 01:00 | |
| red | as long as you didnt use encrypted connections like ssl or ssh etc | 01:00 |
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| red | and there goes whiney fanboy | 01:01 |
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| Chiku | noone tried to display HD videos? | 01:02 |
| red | ShadowJK: guess he cannot comprehend that compatability isnt always 100% :p id trust my other devices are standard when everything else I throw at them work without a hitch, but then these nokia plugs dont work with anything except the phone itself :p | 01:02 |
| red | or then its a case of them regarding their own design standard and others' not :) | 01:03 |
| red | arachnist: done 1 year of CCNA and CCNP, no moar. ever. :p | 01:04 |
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| red | wish i had some of those bottles with me while learning tho | 01:04 |
| arachnist | hehe | 01:04 |
| ShadowJK | Koss Plug / Koss Sparkplug, Creative EP-630 and Sennheiser CX-300 are cheap alternatives for "cheap earplugs" | 01:06 |
| woglinde | chiku -> http://www.schleef.org/blog/2009/11/11/theora-on-ti-c64x-dsp-and-omap3/ | 01:07 |
| red | The earplugs that came with my ~2 year old walkman were quite good aswell. Nearly on the level of these Shures | 01:07 |
| ShadowJK | sony has in-ear stuff? :) | 01:07 |
| red | was a 115€ walkman and I checked that the earplugs it came with were separately sold for 80€ back then | 01:07 |
| red | quite surprising | 01:07 |
| red | yes, out of ear mid/high speaker and a cone with soft (replaceable and 3 sizes came with) cushions for the bass element | 01:08 |
| red | lemme see if i can hunt down an image | 01:08 |
| ShadowJK | I can't use normal earphones, they just never stay close enough to sound good | 01:09 |
| red | same | 01:09 |
| red | was about blown away when i first used good plugs | 01:09 |
| ShadowJK | Once I used foam earplugs placed in the outer ear to push regular earphones towards eardrums, and that kinda worked | 01:09 |
| red | "wtf, these actually sound nice and bassy" | 01:09 |
| Chiku | woglinde, so it looks like not possible for 720p HD | 01:09 |
| ShadowJK | had to relisten everything after getting in-ear :) | 01:10 |
| woglinde | 720p is possible | 01:10 |
| Hoxzer | w | 01:10 |
| woglinde | but someone has to code it | 01:10 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: still awake? | 01:10 |
| javispedro | yep | 01:10 |
| ifreq | woglinde: vlc cant handle 720p? | 01:10 |
| Chiku | lag problem? | 01:10 |
| woglinde | ifreq its not a vlc problem | 01:11 |
| Chiku | like 1 fps with 720p ? | 01:11 |
| red | ShadowJK: http://www.techmagnews.com/wp-content/uploads/images/Sony_NW_A840_packs_OLED_noise_cancellation_and_64GB_of_flash_heat_still_thinnest_Walkman_ever_1.jpg | 01:11 |
| blizzow1 | Does anyone know how I should have my exchange server configured for MFE to work? I am using exchange 2007 and keep getting an error saying "Error: Either Exchange server requires secure connection or account is disabled." | 01:11 |
| red | that sorta plugs, but white | 01:11 |
| ifreq | woglinde: okay | 01:12 |
| red | http://www.pavtube.com/images/sony_mp3.jpg | 01:12 |
| red | better picture there | 01:12 |
| blizzow1 | Does a specific URL need to be enabled for the MFE client to work? it works fine on my N97, but not on the N900. | 01:12 |
| ShadowJK | ah that design | 01:12 |
| red | think my walkman was 1-2 generations older than the one at the image | 01:12 |
| red | older.. newer | 01:12 |
| red | but anyway, they were quite nice for bundled ones | 01:12 |
| ifreq | blizzow1: sure its 2007? and does it allow non auth devices | 01:12 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: http://pastebin.com/m6eb6007d removes the white problem | 01:13 |
| Stskeeps | (i did a minor change) | 01:13 |
| Stskeeps | well, ok, it does it partly | 01:13 |
| red | anyway, time for mythbusters, gn | 01:13 |
| Stskeeps | dialogs aren't obscured but the background isn't working (...) | 01:14 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: and without that minor change, it doesn't work? | 01:14 |
| blizzow1 | ifreq: I'm positive it's 2007. Under Organization configuration -> Client Access -> Properties -> Device Tab every device is allowed. | 01:14 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: correct | 01:14 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: so, support_packed_pixel is FALSE? | 01:14 |
| ifreq | blizzow1: okay just knew there is prob with 2003 but not with 2007 tho | 01:14 |
| javispedro | O.o | 01:14 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: how is the maemo newsletter going? | 01:14 |
| jeremiah_ | ~seen lma | 01:14 |
| infobot | jeremiah_: i haven't seen 'lma' | 01:14 |
| jeremiah_ | Well then you suck infobot | 01:15 |
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| * infobot hits jeremiah_ with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha, courtesy of crashanddie | 01:15 | |
| blizzow1 | I'm wondering if a specific url has to be enabled for MFE to work on Maemo. | 01:15 |
| lardman | night | 01:15 |
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| crashanddie | lardman: yo | 01:15 |
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| wazd_e63 | I doubt that I'll have any more time to chat today, so happy new year everyone) | 01:15 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_e63: happy new years wazd | 01:16 |
| crashanddie | wazd_e63: have a good one buddy | 01:16 |
| jeremiah_ | Happy New Year to you too! | 01:16 |
| woglinde | wazd is the first? | 01:16 |
| wazd_e63 | Wish you all goods, kernels, firmwares and drivers) | 01:16 |
| woglinde | or was it johnx? | 01:17 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: i'll investigate it later, but i'm a bit mystified atm | 01:17 |
| Stskeeps | cos now the dialogs and menus work | 01:18 |
| Stskeeps | but the background doesn't | 01:18 |
| blizzow1 | Could someone who has MFE working tell me if they are able to access outlook via https://yourmailserverhere.com/exchange ? | 01:18 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: yeah. I think I want the output of glxinfo more and more :) | 01:18 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: well, there's no GLX extension | 01:18 |
| javispedro | ehm.. | 01:19 |
| Stskeeps | it's libgl1-mesa-swx11 | 01:19 |
| javispedro | you're using fb? | 01:19 |
| woglinde | stskeep *g* | 01:19 |
| woglinde | hm | 01:19 |
| woglinde | even sw should mention glx stuff | 01:19 |
| wazd_e63 | need do get some sleep before crazy night so c ya all in 2010 ) | 01:19 |
| woglinde | nite wazd | 01:20 |
| lcuk | wazd have a happy new year over there, try not to freeze | 01:20 |
| javispedro | see you in 2010 and have a new year, wazd :) | 01:20 |
| wazd_e63 | luck: actually we got pretty mild weather here) | 01:21 |
| wazd_e63 | -5, fluffy snow) | 01:21 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: ah, glxinfo should be possible.. let me apt-get that | 01:21 |
| papo | blizzow1: I don't have it working but I'm not adding /exchange | 01:21 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: I really don't know what's swx11 at the moment, but without glx you wouldn't be able to render to x windows at all. | 01:22 |
| wazd_e63 | ok, wazd is out | 01:22 |
| papo | blizzow1: I believe it's supposed to work without /exchange, but I can't be sure since it's failing for other reasons on my device | 01:22 |
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| woglinde | javis the mesa software renderer | 01:22 |
| woglinde | fallback | 01:22 |
| woglinde | for most cards | 01:22 |
| javispedro | woglinde: I mean the "swx11" version | 01:22 |
| Stskeeps | sw rendering for x11 | 01:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 01:23 |
| woglinde | /usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so or so | 01:23 |
| Stskeeps | nah, that's the dri version | 01:23 |
| woglinde | hm | 01:24 |
| woglinde | okay | 01:24 |
| javispedro | the description says "does not use GLX" | 01:24 |
| javispedro | which seems weird IMHO | 01:24 |
| Stskeeps | not really | 01:24 |
| Stskeeps | glx is just a wire protocol | 01:24 |
| javispedro | but also an API | 01:24 |
| javispedro | so it implements glx but doesn't call to the server for those functions? | 01:26 |
| javispedro | either way that means glx is there | 01:26 |
| Stskeeps | it implements GL | 01:26 |
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| Stskeeps | (as far as i can tell) | 01:26 |
| javispedro | clutter depends on glx, so it implements glx too :) | 01:26 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 01:27 |
| javispedro | gl "alone" doesn't render to anything, not even buffers | 01:27 |
| javispedro | (from an API PoV) | 01:27 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: http://pastebin.com/m3e717f23 | 01:28 |
| woglinde | hm mesa 7.4 | 01:28 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: thanks again, no surprises seems. | 01:28 |
| Stskeeps | btw, why if (0)? | 01:29 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: quick way to ensure it's taking the branch it would take "pre-fix" | 01:29 |
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| Stskeeps | mm | 01:30 |
| * Stskeeps ponders trying something | 01:30 | |
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| Pavlov | does scratchbox/etc work ok with latest ubuntu? | 01:33 |
| woglinde | pavlov seems so | 01:34 |
| Pavlov | ok cool | 01:34 |
| * Pavlov needs to setup a new system | 01:34 | |
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| blizzow1 | okay, how do I get the certificate from my exchange server and import it into my N900. The certificate manager doesn't have a feature to add a cert. | 01:38 |
| jeremiah_ | Debian FTW! | 01:39 |
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| Shinkamui | does the integrated messenger conversations just not support pictures at all? | 01:41 |
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| woglinde | blizzow1 it has | 01:41 |
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| woglinde | hm | 01:42 |
| woglinde | in diablo it had | 01:42 |
| papo | woglinde: huh? I'm interested in how that works, I always had to download the cert to the device and opening it in the file manager to import the cert | 01:42 |
| crashanddie | woglinde: doubt it's johnx | 01:42 |
| crashanddie | woglinde: unless he's back in japan | 01:42 |
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| woglinde | papo ah | 01:43 |
| woglinde | sorry | 01:43 |
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| woglinde | its long since I added it | 01:43 |
| crashanddie | woglinde: and it's probably someone in new zealand or australia who'll be the frist | 01:44 |
| crashanddie | s/ri/ir/ | 01:44 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: woglinde: and it's probably someone in new zealand or australia who'll be the first | 01:44 |
| woglinde | crashanddie I meant for the channel here | 01:44 |
| crashanddie | woglinde: I'll be living in Brisbane in a couple of weeks ;) | 01:44 |
| crashanddie | woglinde: technically speaking, my sound system and playstation 3 are already ahead of me | 01:45 |
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| woglinde | ah right | 01:45 |
| woglinde | lorn is in australia | 01:45 |
| pupnik | lets start a t.m.o. thread about The Y2.01k bug | 01:45 |
| crashanddie | pupnik: it's still in beta -- nobody knows when it'll work | 01:47 |
| crashanddie | don't you hate it when you bring a girl home for two days and she puts pictures of herself everywhere? | 01:47 |
| pupnik | girl sounds right | 01:48 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: current status is that colors are messed up but showing for dialogs, and background is white | 01:51 |
| Stskeeps | (of the desktop) | 01:51 |
| Stskeeps | that's with your exact patch from pastebin | 01:51 |
| Stskeeps | on top of the current clutter | 01:51 |
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| Stskeeps | my former patch had screwed up colours too | 01:52 |
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| javispedro | this needs more testing | 01:55 |
| javispedro | I will do a sample trying to use _5_6_5 | 01:55 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, everywhere? | 01:55 |
| javispedro | a GL app, I mean. | 01:55 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, weird. | 01:55 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: well, I found 6 framed pictures -- that qualifies as everywhere | 01:56 |
| GAN900 | lol | 01:56 |
| woglinde | crashanddie *g* | 01:56 |
| javispedro | though that will be after my gettext crash course :) | 01:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | better than peeing on the carpet. | 01:56 |
| woglinde | javispedro hehe | 01:56 |
| GAN900 | Weird | 01:56 |
| woglinde | gettext is evil | 01:56 |
| woglinde | for packagers | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | why? | 01:57 |
| woglinde | hm okay isnt evil at all | 01:57 |
| woglinde | install to many stuff you dont need on the device | 01:57 |
| woglinde | even source code | 01:58 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: alright - think i'm off to bed now. we should probably leave a note in the bug there's something odd about the impl when using it on mesa/armel | 01:58 |
| woglinde | for running stuff you mostly only needs libintl.so.x.x | 01:58 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: hope this is not the only Mer RC bug left :P | 01:59 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: naah. i'm sure i can find more | 01:59 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: worst case scenario i just pull the fix and build that and note it as a known issue | 02:00 |
| Stskeeps | got it in a nice branch on gitorious so | 02:00 |
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| * javispedro ponders if .po files need to be optified | 02:02 | |
| Stskeeps | .mo you mean | 02:03 |
| javispedro | yep, sorry | 02:03 |
| javispedro | they're small, but they're also among the least used | 02:03 |
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| javispedro | either way I won't do that manually. | 02:03 |
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| woglinde | hm has someone a font name which is on n900? | 02:23 |
| lcuk | nokia sans | 02:26 |
| woglinde | hm trying | 02:26 |
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| pupnik | /usr/share/fonts/nokia has them | 02:28 |
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| ifreq | is the droid fonts nice looking? | 02:29 |
| ifreq | ah nothing special | 02:29 |
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| papo | hm, in my opinion, it's a bit uncool that the yellow boxes for new messages disappear... I missed two SMS today :( | 02:30 |
| Shinkamui | broke down and am using nokia messaging again | 02:30 |
| Shinkamui | cant stand the default imap implementation | 02:30 |
| Shinkamui | too slow to see new mail | 02:30 |
| Wolfie | papo: you get the "new activity" icons in the upper left corner, don't you? | 02:30 |
| papo | Wolfie: yes | 02:30 |
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| papo | Wolfie: and the blue LED starts flashing | 02:31 |
| Wolfie | ok. Well, i must agree - missed activity should be more prominent. | 02:31 |
| papo | Wolfie: the "new activity" icon is like the ordinary Icon but a bit more shiny, isn't it? | 02:31 |
| Wolfie | papo: yup | 02:31 |
| AakashPatel | Is there a config file somewhere that has the update interval for the email client? | 02:31 |
| papo | hm yes, actually I noticed it but it's easy to miss in my opinion | 02:31 |
| Wolfie | except, it's not the 3x2 matrix of icons, but the two overlapping ones | 02:32 |
| papo | Wolfie: ah | 02:32 |
| Wolfie | but, the 3x2 icon is shown if you have no apps open in the background, and the overlapping windows is _always_ showing when you have one or more application open | 02:32 |
| Wolfie | so, then the only difference is the glow around those windows | 02:33 |
| papo | oh I see | 02:33 |
| papo | Wolfie: actually it would be nice if the yellow boxes would just stick around, but I guess I can't change that | 02:33 |
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| Wolfie | i would appreciate an icon with the reception/bt/wlan/whatever multibox thingy | 02:33 |
| SpeedEvil | papo: you know you can set it to flash if you've got unread sms? the LED | 02:34 |
| Wolfie | papo: i woudln't know. | 02:34 |
| papo | SpeedEvil: yes as I mentioned, the LED is flashing blue | 02:34 |
| Wolfie | SpeedEvil: it's still a bit too discrete | 02:34 |
| ifreq | anyone have idea how to convert linux console font to truetype? | 02:34 |
| papo | but still I happen to miss it... maybe I just have to get familiar with it | 02:34 |
| Shinkamui | does tv out use a lot of power? | 02:34 |
| Wolfie | papo: heh, sounds like a usability design fail, to me :) | 02:34 |
| woglinde | ah cool navit runs now | 02:35 |
| papo | Wolfie: Uh when it comes to usability I have a lot more troubles with other things | 02:35 |
| woglinde | with the gtk interface | 02:35 |
| Wolfie | i do appreciate the "tablet" approach with the N900, but it seems to easily forget that it's a phone more than anything else for many | 02:35 |
| SpeedEvil | papo: fair enough | 02:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Shinkamui: probably nothing compared to decoding video | 02:35 |
| woglinde | only need to write the liblocation vehicle plugin | 02:35 |
| Wolfie | so, missed mail and especially missed calls should be handled with more importance | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | woglinde: :) | 02:36 |
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| papo | I hope some things are going to improve with the next firmware releases... besides a ton of bugs, I dislike the two different contact lists | 02:36 |
| Wolfie | a flashing blue led and a shiny icon isn't quite enough, i agree | 02:36 |
| KMFDM | papo, two different lists? | 02:37 |
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| papo | KMFDM: almost three even. There's the address book that appears if I run "Contacts". There I can edit my contacts. Then there's the list built into the "Phone" part of the device (which contains the same contacts, of course. I failed to edit contacts there but there is the alphabetic help at the right (which is quite handy). And if I click on a shortcut to a contact on the desktop, I can't edit either | 02:40 |
| Wolfie | you cut off at "I can't edit either" | 02:41 |
| papo | KMFDM: I constantly keep mixing up these. I click on the shortcut to add a new phone number, I run contacts instead of the phone thing to call people etc. | 02:41 |
| papo | Wolfie: sorry, I forgot this character: "." | 02:41 |
| papo | ok, "I can't edit said contact." or something | 02:42 |
| papo | sorry | 02:42 |
| KMFDM | you can call people from contacts | 02:42 |
| papo | KMFDM: yes but I have > 500 contacts. If I use the phone application, I can use the alphabetic index which is very helpful. If I use contacts, I either have to scroll a lot, use the keyboard or do something I don't know about | 02:43 |
| K` | rdp works nicely | 02:43 |
| papo | so for me, the phone-thingie is superior. And even if it wouldn't I don't see why there are two things which look very similar, do almost the same and could easily be merged (from a design point of view) | 02:44 |
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| KMFDM | papo, phone is only phone contacts | 02:45 |
| KMFDM | you don't want your instant messaging contacts appearing in the list when you go to call someone | 02:45 |
| papo | nope skype stuff appears there as well | 02:46 |
| Wolfie | i guess you can use your phone as a skype phone too? | 02:47 |
| papo | KMFDM: but good point | 02:47 |
| ifreq | Wolfie: yeah | 02:47 |
| Robot101 | well, anyone callable appears | 02:48 |
| Robot101 | which is right for the phone :P | 02:48 |
| papo | hm yeah.. just to clarify, I'm not complaining, just sharing what problems I encountered so far... but I went straight from a Nokia 7110 to this N 900 so I have to get familiar with some "new" concepts | 02:49 |
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| KMFDM | papo, voip is considered a phone application | 02:50 |
| papo | I see | 02:50 |
| arachnist | KMFDM: are you the father of industrial rock? | 02:50 |
| KMFDM | arachnist, afraid not, but I jacked their name as an internet handle some years ago and have yet to come up with something better | 02:51 |
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| KMFDM | i do agree though papo that contacts should be editable from their information pages (for example from the conversation menu) as well as from their phone menu pages | 02:53 |
| KMFDM | it is incredibly frustrating to have navigated through my equally large contact list to find the right contact only to realize i'm in the phone or conversations menu and not contacts | 02:53 |
| papo | yeah that would be helpful because I always use the wrong one | 02:53 |
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| pupnik | i appreciate phone guru discussions thanks | 03:00 |
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| fdv | I'm trying to change the color of a gtk button under maemo. now, this works if I run the app under scratchbox from the cli without run-standalone.sh, but not when I run it with, nor on a n900. can anybody help me out with why this is (and preferably how I can accomplish this)? | 03:01 |
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| pupnik | run it with..." "? | 03:02 |
| fdv | run-standalone.sh | 03:03 |
| pupnik | oh i see | 03:04 |
| pupnik | the gtk libs should be the same on both right? | 03:04 |
| fdv | uhm. no, I don't think so | 03:04 |
| fdv | they look pretty different :) | 03:04 |
| fdv | run-standalone.sh is needed to get the 'fremantle look' | 03:04 |
| fdv | otherwise it looks like a plain gtk app | 03:05 |
| fdv | running it with run-standalone.sh also produces the same result as when running it from the gui | 03:05 |
| pupnik | in scratchbox you test on x86 or armel target? | 03:05 |
| fdv | x86 | 03:05 |
| fdv | but the same happens on the phone | 03:06 |
| fdv | lemme double check.. | 03:06 |
| pupnik | can you run the app from the armel target. that would give another piece of clue. | 03:06 |
| woglinde | damn fontstuff | 03:07 |
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| fdv | pupnik: how do I shut down dbus etc nicely? | 03:10 |
| fdv | 'af-sb-init.sh stop' did not seem to do the trick | 03:10 |
| pupnik | i can't help, just curious | 03:11 |
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| fdv | ok | 03:11 |
| pupnik | fyi i have same /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.1400.7 in scratchbox-armel and on device | 03:13 |
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| pupnik | so developing in armel target avoids some errors | 03:15 |
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| fdv | how do I start the UI in scratchbox-armel? | 03:17 |
| fdv | af-sb-init.sh doesn't seem to work | 03:17 |
| pupnik | been two years since i did that | 03:18 |
| fdv | :) | 03:18 |
| fdv | ok | 03:18 |
| pupnik | did you set your display variable? | 03:18 |
| fdv | yes | 03:18 |
| pupnik | it should tallk to xephyr just like x86 target | 03:18 |
| fdv | ok | 03:18 |
| pupnik | what error does it give you? | 03:18 |
| Shadikka | Whoohooo, how nice. | 03:19 |
| jebba | gah, what's the maemo word for the "main" icon set that you get when you hit the application button in the upper left twice? Like what's that desktop called? | 03:19 |
| fdv | pupnik: ah, qemu not found :p | 03:19 |
| Shadikka | My N900's screen went black after showing some weird flickering etc., most probably just a loose display connector | 03:19 |
| Shadikka | Sure, a simple warranty service, but annoyingly at new year's ;/ | 03:19 |
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| MohammadAG | <fdv> how do I start the UI in scratchbox-armel? | 03:21 |
| pupnik | anyway if you get colorchange in armel-target but no colorchange on device, the difference would be the X server used, no? | 03:21 |
| MohammadAG | it's a known limitation, you can't | 03:21 |
| fdv | MohammadAG: ah, thanks | 03:21 |
| fdv | then I'll just stop barking up that tree :) | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (contacts) there'a not only an aplphabetic index missing. It also has no fulltext search (incl. option to restrict to certain fields. Incl regex - not even substring is implemented. Not even first/last name search implemented). Also I have contacts with 3 phone#, and I have 2 services (sip + gsm) now. Gives me a mess of selectable fields even now. Now make that 5 Mobile on a contact * (3 sip + gsm + skype) :-O Gives me THIRTYTH | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | REE fields just for dialing and SMS | 03:21 |
| MohammadAG | np, I got errors that looped when I tried to do it | 03:22 |
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| * SpeedEvil wishes some FM radio program would support scanning for free frequencies. | 03:22 | |
| fdv | MohammadAG:it complains about qemu not being there (which was entirely correct :)) | 03:22 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: yeah, the addressbook ui is a mess | 03:22 |
| timeless_mbp | i have a contact (my sister) with iirc 7 phone numbers | 03:22 |
| MohammadAG | found it: Armel target does not bring up the UI framework | 03:22 |
| timeless_mbp | plus i have skype and 2 sip providers | 03:22 |
| timeless_mbp | oddly, the two sip providers get lumped as 'sip' and lead to *another* dialog | 03:23 |
| MohammadAG | fdv here's a link with the known issues http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#Known_Issues_in_the_SDK | 03:23 |
| timeless_mbp | but that doesn't save me from skype+sip per item | 03:23 |
| timeless_mbp | and not in the same place as the original item | 03:23 |
| timeless_mbp | the call ui/addressbook people are aware of the problem, but haven't quite decided how/what/when to do something | 03:23 |
| timeless_mbp | as for searching, i suspect that the addressbook has a public api | 03:24 |
| timeless_mbp | which means someone could fix that | 03:24 |
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| fdv | pupnik: it seems to me that the fremantle UI somehow disallows changing the color, but I can't be sure. | 03:24 |
| fdv | MohammadAG: thanks :) | 03:24 |
| fdv | pupnik: but thanks for your interest, I'll have to call it a day now :) | 03:25 |
| pupnik | fdv: maybe it is because of the 'theming'? | 03:25 |
| pupnik | good luck tomorrow | 03:25 |
| fdv | pupnik: I guess so, somehow, but I don't know how :) | 03:25 |
| fdv | :) | 03:25 |
| fdv | live to fight another day or something... | 03:25 |
| pupnik | precisely | 03:25 |
| fdv | g'night | 03:26 |
| MohammadAG | fdv np :) | 03:26 |
| MohammadAG | nn fdv | 03:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: API doesn't provide a nice way to integrate search into existing contacts app gui, no? | 03:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: no, just write a standalone app | 03:27 |
| timeless_mbp | the api should allow you to show a contact card | 03:27 |
| timeless_mbp | or show a contact card editor | 03:27 |
| timeless_mbp | perhaps even show address book scrolled to a given contact | 03:27 |
| timeless_mbp | not sure how unlame the api is | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: lol. yeah exactly. Its not possible to integrate with existing app | 03:27 |
| timeless_mbp | personally, i want the search more than i need the integration | 03:27 |
| timeless_mbp | do it, i'll send you money by paypal | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | deal | 03:28 |
| jebba | new page thx to hrw|gone: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Tweaks though i need a better description if anyone wants to chime in. | 03:29 |
| jebba | what i dont like about the address book is i cant say like "555-1212 (cabin)" or something. Like some people have bunches of numbers for locations. The thing just presumes people slave or are at home. | 03:31 |
| woglinde | damn somethink is wron with fonts | 03:31 |
| woglinde | navit segfaults in freetype | 03:31 |
| timeless_mbp | 'slave' heh | 03:33 |
| timeless_mbp | jebba: you need to create multiple contacts | 03:33 |
| timeless_mbp | the fact is that the address book ui is not designed for people w/ multiple numbers | 03:34 |
| timeless_mbp | just make a contact John (Cabin) Doe and another contact John (Slave) Doe | 03:34 |
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| jebba | heh ok ya. | 03:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: yup. Free user defined labels for fields really is missing | 03:41 |
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| jebba | Seems i did that in my Palm IV ,) | 03:43 |
| jebba | or maybe i was thinking about something i used in the 80s ;) | 03:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there a simple way to get a webpage rendered to a png using microb? | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: (menu) wtf? Still struggling to get the semantics. Where is "Màs..." for example? Is there any way to sort things or does it filename based sort idiocy like Illume/Enlightenment (or whatever the name) does? Can we have user defined subfolders ala "mas..." ? | 03:44 |
| Pavlov | SpeedEvil: you want the whole page, or just the current stuff? | 03:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I want to make a trivial script with wget to pull down a yr.no weather format, parse it a bit with awk to generate a pretty image, and put it into a place where the desktop picture viewer can see it. | 03:45 |
| SpeedEvil | s/format/forcast/ | 03:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: screenshot? | 03:46 |
| Pavlov | i know roughly how to do it with gecko as an extension, but not sure with microb | 03:46 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer51: hmm. Not really ideal - I want to do it hourly. | 03:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh well, I suppose I can do it on a server trivially. | 03:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: what's the main evil with ForeCa | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ? | 03:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | or with widgets in gneral for that one | 03:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer51: where it gets its data | 03:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I find the yr.no forecast better | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nah. Where *you* get your src skelleton | 03:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | ? | 03:51 |
| jebba | NOTE WELL: if you just read my tweaks page and are modifying your main application set, beware that it just foobar'd mine when i tried to revert it. hrw|gone ? | 03:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: hrhrr I know why I was reluctant to mess with it | 03:53 |
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| jebba | DocScrutinizer51: can you mail me an original/pristine one to moe@blagblagblag.org plz? :) | 03:54 |
| jebba | though i just tried copying my modified one over too, and it's fkt | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | should be feasible :-)) | 03:55 |
| jebba | seems like a pretty basic file though shouldn't cause too much chaos hmm. | 03:55 |
| jebba | i've definitely changed similar files in fedora etc before | 03:55 |
| jebba | which is why .local/share/applications etc should exist... (and very well may work, but i doubt it--havent tried) | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah but then there you always have a VT ;-) | 03:56 |
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| jebba | ah, copied my file over, rebooted, and now it works. | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ooh. so no more need for email? | 03:57 |
| SpeedEvil | tweaks page? | 03:57 |
| jebba | DocScrutinizer51: if you could mail it, that would be cool to see if i can revert it or not | 03:58 |
| jebba | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Tweaks SpeedEvil | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: mompl | 03:58 |
| jebba | mompl? | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you know... bluepill mode for mail attachments :-((( | 03:59 |
| jebba | sounds like a handy command | 03:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~mompl | 03:59 |
| jebba | huh? there is such a thing? /me confoozd | 03:59 |
| infobot | i heard mompl is a stupid short form for "moment please" | 03:59 |
| jebba | ah | 03:59 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:N900_Hardware | 03:59 |
| jebba | i thought it was a script ;) | 03:59 |
| SpeedEvil | additions welcome. | 03:59 |
| jebba | ah, i should be able to look for this in the majick mxr thing too | 04:00 |
| * SpeedEvil has been lying in bed today and that's all I've gotten done. | 04:00 | |
| jebba | ah, though that isn't a final installed system. | 04:00 |
| jebba | *that* would be cool to have too | 04:00 |
| jebba | maybe i'll do that, hmm | 04:00 |
| * jebba looking | 04:00 | |
| jebba | SpeedEvil: you see this? http://www.natisbad.org/N900/ Seems to be down recently, but i snagged from google's cache. Lots of hardware info. | 04:01 |
| SpeedEvil | up now | 04:01 |
| SpeedEvil | though maybe not in the form you saw | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | oooh fsckng BUUG. | 04:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | jebba: muchj of the same info looks like | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | when I edit a mail and open dashboard, then mail edit screen is eaten by "new mail" notifier. Hitting that one "storing draft" | 04:05 |
| SpeedEvil | The popups seem to popup on the wrong screen occasionally. | 04:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I was installing an app which was taking a while. | 04:06 |
| SpeedEvil | So I switched to fbreader. | 04:06 |
| SpeedEvil | it went beep, and the controls froze | 04:06 |
| SpeedEvil | there was a notification on the app window | 04:06 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: gecko has a way to render pages to pngs | 04:07 |
| timeless_mbp | look at <canvas> toDataURL or something | 04:07 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51 / jebba : what/why are you sorting m['a]s ? | 04:08 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: thanks | 04:09 |
| SpeedEvil | And of course the xml data functionality of yr.no would fall over... | 04:09 |
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| jebba | timeless_mbp: i dont understand anything people are saying today. m['a]s ? | 04:13 |
| jebba | main applications? I'm adding icons to the main set for convenience (?) that what you asking. Ala: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Tweaks | 04:14 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry, Màs | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sorry got a disconnect after >>>030931 <SpeedEvil> And of course the xml | 04:14 |
| SpeedEvil | (02:09:27 AM) SpeedEvil: And of course the xml data functionality of yr.no would fall over... | 04:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.yr.no/place/Norway/Akershus/Frogn/Dr%C3%B8bak/varsel.xml - for example. | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: how does maemo manage to have 'Màs...' at end of page? How did *you* move it to somewhere else? | 04:15 |
| jebba | Ah! ya, i get it now, mine is in spanish. Gah, time to sleep i think. I added icons and it moved it up. Think it uses this: | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: still what would you stop from using a widget for that? | 04:16 |
| jebba | X-Osso-User-Position=4 | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer51: nothing. | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | duh' where? | 04:17 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer51: merely I can code the other alternative in 5-10 mins. | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: is this userpos foo in the more... .desktop file? | 04:18 |
| jebba | DocScrutinizer51: cool, thx, that sorted things out. I must have just had an error in there | 04:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: I thought the "more..." icon was autogenerated by hildon applauncher and thus can't be edited nor created any "MyMore2...", nor placed anywhere else than lower right corner | 04:26 |
| fureddo | Anyone has a N900 and some Qt4-based application installed? I would like to know if the Input Language Switch keyboard accelerator works properly when the current application is Qt4-based one. The keyboard accelerator is CTRL+Space. | 04:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: but your screenshot shows it somewhere middle of screen | 04:27 |
| jebba | DocScrutinizer51: cuz applications like Maep, midori, burgerspace, etc don't use that field at all, so they get punted to the end. | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | to be precise it's middle row right | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | *which* field?? | 04:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | X-Osso-User-Position :) | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: is this userpos foo in the more... .desktop file? | 04:30 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-commits@maemo.org/msg07113.html | 04:30 |
| timeless_mbp | covers that field :) | 04:30 |
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| jebba | it's the last one in the list of ones that use the "X-Osso-User-Position=6" things, but after further looking, i could be wrong there too | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: sorry but that patch doesn't faintly resemble an answer to my question | 04:33 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: it tells you which file :) | 04:34 |
| timeless_mbp | (namely .desktop) | 04:34 |
| timeless_mbp | and it hints at an example | 04:34 |
| timeless_mbp | surely those are answers :) | 04:34 |
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| jebba | of course, i only see 5 applications that actually *use* that field... | 04:34 |
| jebba | grep X-Osso-User-Position /usr/share/applications/hildon/* DocScrutinizer51 | 04:34 |
| timeless_mbp | jebba: i don't suppose you've done apt-get source alsa-lib ? | 04:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: ok. I'll create my soldering directions like "go to x:55.3mm y:21.8mm from fit mark and heat to 288C. " | 04:36 |
| timeless_mbp | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4035 could use verification against an actual source tree | 04:36 |
| povbot` | Bug 4035: Please remove the alsa => . symlink in /include | 04:36 |
| * jebba doing now | 04:37 | |
| timeless_mbp | (mxr involves various forms of cleanup) | 04:37 |
| jebba | timeless_mbp: from alsa-lib apt.-get source: | 04:39 |
| jebba | lrwxrwxrwx 1 jebba jebba 1 Dec 30 20:23 alsa -> . | 04:39 |
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| jebba | i assume you're talking about that | 04:40 |
| timeless_mbp | yep | 04:40 |
| timeless_mbp | please reopen and note that it's broken in sources and it's obvious that timeless has manually fixed it (again) for mxr | 04:40 |
| timeless_mbp | thanks :) | 04:40 |
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| DangerMaus | haha | 04:48 |
| user_ | hehe | 04:48 |
| jebba | timeless https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4035 updated | 04:49 |
| povbot` | Bug 4035: Please remove the alsa => . symlink in /include | 04:49 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: so is there actually a .desktop for the "more..." icon? | 04:49 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: one would hope so | 04:49 |
| timeless_mbp | otherwise how would it get translated? | 04:49 |
| timeless_mbp | or an icon? | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fine. would you mind to share the name? | 04:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | it's 2:50am and you want me to reach over for my n900? | 04:51 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: so... | 04:51 |
| timeless_mbp | do you have my translation installed? | 04:51 |
| pupnik | would it be better to preserve bookmarks somewhere in MyDocs where a reflash wont erase them? | 04:51 |
| timeless_mbp | because it has a tool that would help here | 04:51 |
| timeless_mbp | pupnik: so that you can't make bookmarks while you're attached to a computer? | 04:51 |
| timeless_mbp | that sounds like a great idea | 04:51 |
| pupnik | can you change contact info while attached to a computer? | 04:52 |
| timeless_mbp | ayup | 04:52 |
| timeless_mbp | would be kinda lame if you couldn't... | 04:52 |
| pupnik | do contacts get preserved across reflashes? | 04:52 |
| timeless_mbp | not if you don't back them up... | 04:53 |
| timeless_mbp | err wait | 04:53 |
| timeless_mbp | no no no | 04:53 |
| timeless_mbp | what kind of 'reflash' | 04:53 |
| timeless_mbp | there are two distinct flash images | 04:53 |
| timeless_mbp | one for ubifs (root = /) | 04:53 |
| timeless_mbp | one for eMMC (home, vfat) | 04:53 |
| timeless_mbp | if you reflash ubifs, you don't lose much in the way of user data | 04:53 |
| timeless_mbp | because most user data lives in home, or vfat | 04:54 |
| timeless_mbp | if you reflash eMMC, you lose virtually all user data | 04:54 |
| pupnik | you lose the bookmarks. i was wondering if that was unfortunate or maybe desirable | 04:54 |
| timeless_mbp | that seems odd | 04:54 |
| timeless_mbp | because bookmarks should be in home | 04:54 |
| pupnik | ah i meant bookmarks on desktop | 04:54 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: grep for 'tana_fi_applications' | 04:54 |
| pupnik | sorry for my lazy language | 04:54 |
| jebba | grep -r More /usr/share/applications/* turns up nothing | 04:55 |
| timeless_mbp | pupnik: ambiguity sucks | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: Any idea about name of the more... desktop file | 04:55 |
| timeless_mbp | jebba: no no no | 04:55 |
| timeless_mbp | grep for tana_fi_applications | 04:55 |
| timeless_mbp | jebba / DocScrutinizer51 you really need to install my localization | 04:55 |
| jebba | /usr/share/applications/hildon/applications.directory:Name=tana_fi_applications | 04:55 |
| jebba | oh ya, duh | 04:55 |
| timeless_mbp | it gives you a tool which would have let you search for More (although the ... is a single character and searching for it sucks) | 04:55 |
| jebba | it's in the list too, at the bottom of hildon.menu | 04:55 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a shocker =b | 04:56 |
| jebba | X-Osso-User-Position=15 | 04:56 |
| jebba | heh | 04:56 |
| pupnik | timless truly is timeless sleep-schedule wise | 04:56 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, out of a grid of 15 | 04:56 |
| timeless_mbp | they asked it to be slot #15, wow | 04:56 |
| jebba | <Name>Applications</Name> | 04:56 |
| jebba | <Directory>applications.directory</Directory> | 04:56 |
| jebba | <OnlyUnallocated/> | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: ooh. So I assme that's this incredible translations that made my N810 display "tana_fi home tana_fi home thumb" in the window select bar recently | 04:57 |
| jebba | $ grep -r X-Osso-User-Position /usr/share/applications/ | wc -l | 04:57 |
| jebba | 5 | 04:57 |
| jebba | heh | 04:57 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: probably | 04:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | are you able to use control panel to switch back to nokia strings? | 04:58 |
| timeless_mbp | (the one that says American English or British English) | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah I'm incredibly eager to isnstall these on N900 :-S | 04:58 |
| timeless_mbp | because if you are, you should be able to use the control panel's Advanced Option to get to the fun stuff | 04:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: oh, my fremantle stuff is safe, it uninstalls :) | 04:59 |
| timeless_mbp | -- the diablo version didn't really offer that :) | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | crap | 05:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: did you install my translations from extras onto diablo? | 05:00 |
| timeless_mbp | or did you install the fremantle package into diablo? | 05:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | afaik the diablo package from extras should "mostly" just work (minus the lack of safe uninstall) | 05:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | obviously the N900 is safe in a sense it doesn't autoinstall that shit. Not like diablo which came up with this out of no obvious reason all of a sudden | 05:02 |
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| pupnik | http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=6041888 Many Thanks to Sampo for the mplayer work... | 05:05 |
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| jebba | pupnik: that no workie | 05:07 |
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| pupnik | my t.m.o link? | 05:08 |
| jebba | correct | 05:08 |
| pupnik | gives me sampppa posts | 05:08 |
| pupnik | just confirmed | 05:09 |
| jebba | well, looks like a personal search link or something. | 05:09 |
| pupnik | that is what it is | 05:09 |
| jebba | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=419266 give the thread.php link. Well, if you want others to be able to see it apparently. | 05:09 |
| jebba | "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms. " | 05:09 |
| jebba | that type of link ^^^ | 05:09 |
| pupnik | aha ty | 05:09 |
| jebba | though i followed one of your links in the past which i greatly regret :( | 05:10 |
| pupnik | i guess it doesn't cache searches | 05:10 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: diablo autoinstalled? | 05:10 |
| timeless_mbp | ... and the fremantle package? | 05:10 |
| timeless_mbp | wow | 05:10 |
| pupnik | many learning opportunities are painful | 05:11 |
| timeless_mbp | i suppose i could put a dependency on some fremantle package version | 05:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm then maybe that's the final answer as wel to the miracle of numptyphysics vanishing into thin air on N810 | 05:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | at least I am absolutely sure I never configured any fremantle or other weird repo on N810 | 05:15 |
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| jebba | hasta mañana | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: cya. gn8 | 05:21 |
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| GAN900 | Oh dear christ | 05:25 |
| GAN900 | Are they really telling people to activate -testing and -devel on Planet?! | 05:26 |
| * GAN900 really hates bloggers | 05:26 | |
| pupnik | heh heh | 05:27 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 05:27 |
| pupnik | where are they saying that btw | 05:27 |
| GAN900 | http://maemo-freak.com/index.php/hacks/1334-how-to-activate-extras-extras-testing-and-extras-devel-catalogues | 05:27 |
| pupnik | oh apocalypso | 05:27 |
| GAN900 | Maemo Freak | 05:28 |
| GAN900 | Idiot | 05:28 |
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| GAN900 | Dunno why he doesn't just give 'em .installs. :rolleyes: | 05:29 |
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| GAN900 | Ahaha | 05:31 |
| GAN900 | Engadget is telling people to go to Extras-devel | 05:31 |
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| arachnist | it is? | 05:33 |
| arachnist | where? | 05:33 |
| arachnist | oh | 05:33 |
| GAN900 | The BlueMaemo article. | 05:33 |
| pupnik | it's the same attitude as hacking iphone | 05:34 |
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| pupnik | time for nastygrams | 05:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | GAN900: sadly the picture @ maemo-freak is kinda neat | 05:36 |
| pupnik | GAN900 maybe a t.m.o. thread would get some attention and pressure for those people to add the proper warnings/caveats. | 05:37 |
| pupnik | That is all thata is missing imo | 05:37 |
| pupnik | never ever buy the sharkoon 'home digital' wireless keyboard with trackball. repeating letters constantly. | 05:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | rreally? | 05:42 |
| pupnik | I can't just lay into the keyboaord with my usual MetalStorm of keystrokes | 05:43 |
| pupnik | there! agaiin! and i'm typing slowly! | 05:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Return it! | 05:46 |
| SpeedEvil | this is with your n900, or with a normal system? | 05:46 |
| arachnist | http://idle.slashdot.org/story/09/12/30/166220/USPTO-Awards-LOL-Patent-To-IBM <| LOL | 05:47 |
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| pupnik | Normal computer SpeedEvil -- otherwise it is pretty nice http://www.sharkoon.com/pix/illus/hires/sharkoon_hd_wireless_keyboard_1.jpg | 05:51 |
| pupnik | wow arachnist - nice finid | 05:52 |
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| Shinkamui | how does the irc pluhin work with channels. or is it just good for notify and pms | 06:03 |
| luke-jr | just PMs :p | 06:05 |
| Shinkamui | sad | 06:06 |
| luke-jr | haha | 06:07 |
| Shinkamui | i got about 6 hours of battery life today | 06:07 |
| Shinkamui | almost 7 | 06:07 |
| pupnik | i got about 4 | 06:07 |
| Shinkamui | constant xchat plus constant ssh | 06:07 |
| Shinkamui | and app testing | 06:07 |
| luke-jr | hmm | 06:08 |
| pupnik | i have kept xchat running on battery overnight | 06:08 |
| * luke-jr reconsiders whether he actually should bother porting Linux to N8x0 | 06:08 | |
| Shinkamui | 5 hours and i was at 40percent | 06:08 |
| Shinkamui | i think that last hour with tv out finished it | 06:08 |
| luke-jr | might be cheaper to buy a N900 :/ | 06:08 |
| pupnik | luke-jr: have you heard of maemo? | 06:08 |
| luke-jr | pupnik: yep | 06:08 |
| pupnik | that's linux | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | nope | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | Linux 2.6.21-based, certainly, but not Linux | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | http://elinux.org/N800#Status <-- Linux on N8x0 porting status | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | Linux supports the Wifi and that's pretty much it | 06:10 |
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| pupnik | Ah thanks luke-jr | 06:11 |
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| pupnik | "we need to get it finally to mainline." can you briefly explain why> | 06:12 |
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| luke-jr | pupnik: because 2.6.21 is way obsolete and not supported by modern OS? | 06:19 |
| pupnik | Modern being one to two years newer. | 06:21 |
| pupnik | with all the unsupported 3rd party peripherals offered for N800 | 06:23 |
| pupnik | that i can't run because of no newer kernel | 06:23 |
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| pudding-n900 | hey guys | 06:25 |
| pupnik | I mean fine, if that is your pet issue, but it hardly promotes linux, and personal freedom, on portable devices in the future... or does it? | 06:25 |
| pupnik | hi pud | 06:26 |
| pudding-n900 | im trying to get startet with the linux shell commands and playing with em | 06:26 |
| pudding-n900 | now im stuck | 06:26 |
| pupnik | folks are asleep, great time to ask | 06:26 |
| pupnik | what's up | 06:26 |
| pudding-n900 | xD | 06:26 |
| pudding-n900 | im trying to archiv and zip a content of a folder | 06:27 |
| pudding-n900 | usein | 06:27 |
| pudding-n900 | tar czf test.tar testfolder | 06:28 |
| pudding-n900 | but hes telling me the direction does not exist | 06:28 |
| pudding-n900 | tar cf... is working fine | 06:29 |
| pudding-n900 | tar czf keeps bitching around... | 06:29 |
| pupnik | if you use czf, name it test.tgz or test.tar.gz | 06:30 |
| pupnik | command tar czf test.tgz testfolder works here on N900 and computer | 06:30 |
| pudding-n900 | kk | 06:31 |
| pupnik | ha gleich gewusst - am 'archiv' | 06:31 |
| pupnik | 'archive' in english | 06:31 |
| pudding-n900 | XD | 06:31 |
| pudding-n900 | alles klar | 06:31 |
| pupnik | is it working for you now? | 06:32 |
| pudding-n900 | gut, die dateiendungen sollt ma gscheiter weise nicht vergessen | 06:32 |
| pudding-n900 | yep, ty | 06:32 |
| pupnik | frueher konnte man es beliebig bennennen | 06:32 |
| pudding-n900 | well i thought the .gz gets added automatically like withe gzip | 06:33 |
| luke-jr | pupnik: try nearly 3 years | 06:33 |
| pupnik | i just think it's understandable to not do work for which there is no market | 06:34 |
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| arachnist | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_12L_Dme8Vc <| lol | 06:39 |
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| pudding-n900 | hey, is it possible to unzip a file with *tar* uinto an other folder? | 06:49 |
| luke-jr | -C | 06:50 |
| luke-jr | also | 06:50 |
| luke-jr | it's untar | 06:50 |
| luke-jr | not unzip | 06:50 |
| luke-jr | n00b | 06:50 |
| pupnik | but one who asks good questions | 06:50 |
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| pudding-n900 | so "tar xzf abc.tgz /home/user/..." is not possible | 06:52 |
| pudding-n900 | right? | 06:52 |
| pupnik | pudding-n900: when i want to extract a tar file i usuall make a directory under the current one, cd to it, then tar xzvf ../mytar.tgz | 06:52 |
| pupnik | right, tar will try to extract "/home/user" from the tar | 06:52 |
| pudding-n900 | alright | 06:53 |
| pupnik | that ensures that whatever gets untarred doesn't pollute my parent directory | 06:53 |
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| Milo- | I wrote an application, compiled it in scratchbox and copied the binary to my n900, but can't execute it | 06:53 |
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| pupnik | to execute a program "foo" from the current directory, type ./foo | 06:54 |
| Milo- | I know | 06:54 |
| arachnist | so what error do you get? | 06:54 |
| Milo- | I know the reason why it won't execute | 06:54 |
| pupnik | it'\s x86? | 06:54 |
| Milo- | Just don't understand why it is owned by root :P | 06:55 |
| arachnist | Milo-: you copied it to the n900 over scp? | 06:55 |
| Milo- | no | 06:55 |
| Milo- | mounted my device and used cp to copy it | 06:55 |
| pupnik | you can not execute binaries off vfat filesystems | 06:56 |
| arachnist | generally, it is possible. but i think the n900 uses noexec flag for mounting the vfat | 06:56 |
| Milo- | my ~/MyDocs is vfat? | 06:56 |
| arachnist | yup | 06:57 |
| pudding-n900 | @pupnik - what does the parameter "v" means in combi. with tar? | 06:57 |
| Milo- | verbose | 06:57 |
| pupnik | verbose - display files extracted on console | 06:57 |
| arachnist | Milo-: and it has "noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid" | 06:57 |
| Milo- | arachnist I see | 06:57 |
| Milo- | hmm so I need to place it in opt in order to test it | 06:57 |
| arachnist | Milo-: or in ~ | 06:57 |
| pudding-n900 | sry about such noobish questions, but im just getting started with linux :) | 06:57 |
| arachnist | Milo-: (outside of ~/MyDocs) | 06:58 |
| arachnist | Milo-: or mount -o remount,exec | 06:58 |
| Milo- | or that yes | 06:58 |
| Milo- | n900 has a funny filesystem arch | 06:58 |
| arachnist | android is funnier | 06:58 |
| pupnik | pudding-n900: if you want, stop by #maemo.de and ask all you want | 06:58 |
| arachnist | /system/bin/sh | 06:58 |
| arachnist | not to mention it's a little like osx/gobolinux for installed apps | 06:59 |
| arachnist | (each app has its own directory) | 06:59 |
| Milo- | ./a.out: line 1: syntax error: "(" unexpected | 07:00 |
| Milo- | :( | 07:00 |
| Milo- | worked just fine on scratchbox | 07:00 |
| Milo- | "ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped" | 07:01 |
| Milo- | those should be armel I think? | 07:02 |
| arachnist | yes | 07:02 |
| pudding-n900 | @pupnik - also on freenode? | 07:02 |
| pupnik | yeah, not many people but lots of space to chat | 07:02 |
| pudding-n900 | alright :) | 07:02 |
| luke-jr | http://sourceware.org/ml/binutils/2009-05/msg00297.html | 07:03 |
| luke-jr | Cortex-A8 -- FAIL | 07:03 |
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| Milo- | there we go | 07:11 |
| Milo- | it runs! | 07:11 |
| pupnik | congrats Milo- | 07:12 |
| pupnik | enjoying the magic since 20 GOTO 10 | 07:12 |
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| Milo- | 132 seconds to iterate from UINT_MIN to UINT_MAX | 07:13 |
| Milo- | using one thread. | 07:14 |
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| Milo- | 10.886 seconds with my desktop pc | 07:14 |
| Milo- | benchmarking \o/ | 07:15 |
| Milo- | stuff that I have written for my desktop works on my phone | 07:16 |
| Milo- | brilliant! | 07:16 |
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| phreck | sup all | 07:45 |
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| pupnik | qole is one of the t.m.o users i can search by name and find all sorts of useful stuff | 07:51 |
| |R | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CcfG5uxSOw <- anyone have seen this dice shaking program around? | 07:54 |
| pupnik | yes, been playing with it a bit | 07:54 |
| |R | it's not in devel/testing it seems, is there a web page? | 07:54 |
| pupnik | have to search - 1 minute | 07:55 |
| |R | :) | 07:56 |
| pupnik | http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/maemo/fremantle/ it's an actual repository, search #maemo irc logs if you need the repo string | 07:57 |
| squidd | |R: its beeing shared from own repo | 07:57 |
| |R | ok thanks :) | 07:58 |
| squidd | adding that url to app manager without any other info used to work :S | 07:58 |
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| |R | is bluemaemo optified now? there should be a flag shown in apt-cache show! :P | 08:23 |
| Milo- | using scratchbox, how do you setup a root environment? | 08:23 |
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| Milo- | trying to root my self, sudo: must be setuid root | 08:24 |
| |R | fakeroot? | 08:24 |
| * jX roots milo | 08:25 | |
| Milo- | oh yeah, fakeroot, I tried to use the same method as I use with my phone | 08:25 |
| Milo- | 'root' | 08:25 |
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| Milo- | heh in fakeroot, connection refuses | 08:28 |
| Milo- | not cool :( | 08:29 |
| Hukka | Hm is TMO really slow today? | 08:29 |
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| Milo- | tmo? | 08:30 |
| Hukka | talk.maemo.org | 08:30 |
| |R | yes, it's pretty much been timing out for me for the last 15 minutes | 08:34 |
| pupnik | i keep forgetting it's a phone also | 08:35 |
| odinm | TMO is a phone? | 08:36 |
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| Milo- | N900 is a phone | 08:37 |
| pupnik | responding to milo there | 08:37 |
| pupnik | no, it's a camera! | 08:37 |
| Milo- | oh | 08:37 |
| odinm | TMO is hosted on an N900? | 08:38 |
| Milo- | anyways, I didn't manage to install libqt4-dev :( | 08:38 |
| Milo- | on scratchbox, that is | 08:38 |
| pupnik | Milo-: apt-get install libqt4-dev from your target | 08:38 |
| pupnik | or fakeroot | 08:39 |
| Milo- | if I'm in a fakeroot, connection refuses | 08:39 |
| pupnik | i can never recall if that's needed | 08:39 |
| Milo- | if I'm not in a fakeroot, it complains that I'm not root | 08:39 |
| pupnik | from armel target i can do it with fakeroot | 08:40 |
| Milo- | /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set | 08:41 |
| Milo- | what should I select for that? | 08:42 |
| Milo- | qemu-arm or qemu-i386? | 08:42 |
| pupnik | depends | 08:43 |
| pupnik | that should get set if you switch targets with sb-menu | 08:43 |
| pupnik | it seems people doiinng high level development prefer the x86 target for integration with debuggers and ides, and peoplel who just port apps mostly use the armel target | 08:44 |
| Milo- | yikes | 08:45 |
| Milo- | now I don't have apt-get :D | 08:45 |
| Milo- | there we go | 08:45 |
| Milo- | on ARMEL, no apt-get, on x86, got apt-get, but always says 'need to be root' | 08:45 |
| pupnik | http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE this might interest you also, development without scratchbox | 08:47 |
| Milo- | ah there we go | 08:47 |
| pupnik | Milo-: try wget [somesmallURL] in your scratchbox target | 08:47 |
| pupnik | oh | 08:47 |
| jX | anyone know what chip the n900 uses for it's cell radio? | 08:48 |
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| pupnik | Try working on an issue for more than two minutes before making it a public issue, searchable by google | 08:48 |
| * Arkenoi never managed to play any video with mplayer. seems that it is way less efficient than stock media player so there are not enough resources (cpu i think) | 08:48 | |
| Milo- | wheeeee.. http://u.meelo.org/QtTest.png | 08:48 |
| pupnik | Arkenoi: it won't play your 720p | 08:49 |
| Arkenoi | pupnik: it does not play dvd quality either. even files which stock player plays quite smoothly. | 08:51 |
| pupnik | it's not good when scaling down stuff over 480 linens | 08:52 |
| jX | yeah, if your'e transcoding to start, why not just transcode to mp4 and use the built in accelerated player. | 08:52 |
| Arkenoi | i just download already transcoded file ;-) | 08:53 |
| pupnik | 1) DVD can be 480 lines (NTSC) | 08:54 |
| pupnik | 2) mplayer will handle those files the stock player wont. think of it as your swiss army knife | 08:54 |
| Arkenoi | 832x468 .mov -> extreme framedrop (i'd better say i get 0.5..1fps) | 08:56 |
| pupnik | that is a lot of pixels to process | 08:57 |
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| pupnik | n800 could handle 400x240 | 08:57 |
| pupnik | and some slightly higher resolutionos | 08:57 |
| Arkenoi | just looked at "9" trailer i got with n900: it is 800x480 and builtin player plays it perfectly well. mplayer does not quite poorly, almost impossible to watch | 09:03 |
| jX | I know, I was amazed | 09:03 |
| Arkenoi | s/not/it/ | 09:03 |
| infobot | Arkenoi meant: just looked at "9" trailer i got with n900: it is 800x480 and builtin player plays it perfectly well. mplayer does it quite poorly, almost impossible to watch | 09:03 |
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| jX | so should I be looking at irreco for the IR controller? | 09:08 |
| RST38h | not that there are alternatives... | 09:09 |
| jX | lirc | 09:09 |
| pupnik | wow, nokia released a video that their player can play | 09:09 |
| pupnik | that's so *clever* ;) | 09:10 |
| RST38h | you probably won't argue that it is innovative though | 09:11 |
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| Milo- | I need apt-get for ARMEL -target on scratchbox, how do you get that? | 09:12 |
| Milo- | I think it worked before, but I must have screwed up somehow :P | 09:13 |
| Milo- | probably should move to that Madde soon | 09:13 |
| RST38h | it is part of the sdk | 09:14 |
| RST38h | sb2 -eR | 09:14 |
| RST38h | apt-get install <your packages> | 09:14 |
| Milo- | hmm then something has happened | 09:14 |
| Milo- | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > apt-get install libqt4-dev | 09:15 |
| Milo- | bash: apt-get: command not found | 09:15 |
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| RST38h | hmm | 09:15 |
| RST38h | Ok, I am actually using SB2, not SB1, but apt-get should still be in SB1, right? | 09:16 |
| Milo- | I am using sbox | 09:16 |
| Milo- | no wait, that is 1 actually | 09:16 |
| Milo- | and apt-get works with X86 target, but not with arm | 09:17 |
| timeless_mbp | you're missing a devkit | 09:19 |
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| Milo- | devkit-maemo5? | 09:20 |
| Milo- | or is maemo3 the only devkit you can get for sb1? | 09:21 |
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| Milo- | "install-madde-xmas-linux-x86_64.sh" = 616MB. how can a shell-script be over 600MB :o | 09:24 |
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| RST38h | Hehe, that is the whole package there | 09:25 |
| Milo- | yep I know | 09:25 |
| RST38h | probably MIMEd ;) | 09:25 |
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| pupnik | what sick, sad scum spend their lives generating drupal websites full of pseudoweb just to catch google searches... | 09:28 |
| pupnik | oh well, 'people who ned to eat' i guess | 09:29 |
| pupnik | just spent a few minutes looking for windows software for a friend | 09:30 |
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| * RST38h feels that it should be Chinese | 09:34 | |
| RST38h | unless, of course, it is done automatically by a computer | 09:36 |
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| * Arkenoi thinks that people who are increasing entropy just because of "need to eat" should be tortured and killed | 09:40 | |
| RST38h | And what better use for such people can be than televized gladiator games to the death? =) | 09:41 |
| * RST38h cackles evilly | 09:41 | |
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| Pudding-n900 | hey guys | 09:43 |
| Pudding-n900 | can anybody help me quick? | 09:44 |
| Pudding-n900 | i've tried dto add a new path to "PATH" | 09:44 |
| Pudding-n900 | somehow i wrote some crap | 09:45 |
| Pudding-n900 | my question now, how can i remove/edit paths in "PATH" | 09:45 |
| RST38h | same way you added it | 09:47 |
| Pudding-n900 | export PATH=$PATH'pathname' | 09:48 |
| Pudding-n900 | ? | 09:48 |
| Pudding-n900 | dont i do add paths with this command? | 09:49 |
| RST38h | export PATH=<whatever you want your new path to be> | 09:49 |
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| Pudding-n900 | ah, alright | 09:54 |
| Pudding-n900 | and where is the file with this informations? | 09:54 |
| Pudding-n900 | /etc/profile/ doesnt show em all | 09:54 |
| Pudding-n900 | p.s. but with 'export PATH=...' i do add paths, but dont delete them | 09:56 |
| Pudding-n900 | or? | 09:56 |
| Milo- | the volume buttons during phone-calls are upside down | 09:56 |
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| villager | Pudding-n900: just do "echo $PATH" to print the existing path, then export PATH= what you want the new path to be | 10:07 |
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| villager | export PATH= is not a command to add, but to set... it's just that the $PATH part you used before substituted your original path into what was set | 10:08 |
| Hukka | Hrmh. It's not just talk, also mailman in garage.maemo.org is sluggish. | 10:09 |
| bleader | any idea why on some ssh from n900, return isn't working ? C-m does work | 10:20 |
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| Stskeeps | Hukka: there's a lot of migration work being done these days | 10:20 |
| Hukka | I see. I hadn't noticed any announcements about that | 10:21 |
| Hukka | How are things changing? | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | well it is being done iteratively | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | Hukka: moving to faster servers and new ISP afaik | 10:21 |
| Hukka | Well, that's good | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/ is my information source usually | 10:22 |
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| Hukka | I suppose days between christmas and new year are the best for such things, even if people like me don't recognize any holidays :) | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | it's between christmas and new year? ;o | 10:22 |
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| tekojo | Hukka, Stskeeps, last night there was some weird traffic peak. No understanding yet where it came from. | 10:28 |
| Hukka | Odd | 10:29 |
| Hukka | Somehow I can't believe it could have been legit, but why would anyone want to DOS maemo.org... | 10:29 |
| Hukka | Expecially on christmas | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | Hukka: well, 16 year old kids with iphones ;) | 10:30 |
| Hukka | Would they even know what Maemo is :? | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | Hukka: judging by my experience on irc, even thinking something is a threat is enough to piss off script kiddies :) | 10:30 |
| tekojo | Well there was a dos on talk about a month back, that was even weirder | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | i don't understand the point of a dos without boasting why you did it :P | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | but i guess there's idiotic kids who'll do it for the kick of it :P | 10:33 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:35 |
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| tabMonkey_n900 | morning | 10:36 |
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| frals | uh, when did ipod touch become a tablet? :+ | 11:58 |
| luke-jr | when was it anything but? | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | frals: touch is defined as a tablet i'd say | 11:58 |
| frals | alright | 11:59 |
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| frals | always consider it a pmp ;o | 11:59 |
| luke-jr | frals: you mean 'when did ipod touch get added to the ipod line?' | 12:00 |
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| frals | hmm, wonder why im receiving two mails with the mailinglist digest | 12:03 |
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| X-Fade | frals: Can you check the headers? It can be that the new server is also sending it. (should not) | 12:07 |
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| frals | ye getting from diff servers | 12:10 |
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| X-Fade | frals: Yeah, killed the new one for now ;) | 12:10 |
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| LuciusMare | ohai | 12:11 |
| frals | explains why i got last weeks digests again yesterday or the day before as well i guess :P | 12:11 |
| X-Fade | frals: Moving a lot of servers is quite a lot of work and things running in parallel can get a bit confusing ;) | 12:12 |
| LuciusMare | how can i reverse tether on fremantle? (i connect my tablet to computer connected to the internet thus getting thr internet on the tablet) | 12:12 |
| frals | hehe yeah :) | 12:12 |
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| LuciusMare | nobody? :( | 12:17 |
| PaulFertser | LuciusMare: is not there iptables command? | 12:18 |
| PaulFertser | LuciusMare: to setup NAT on your computer? And "ip" or traditional "route" on fremantle to set the routing? | 12:19 |
| LuciusMare | maybe | 12:20 |
| LuciusMare | but does iptables support usb connection? | 12:20 |
| PaulFertser | LuciusMare: so either NAT or bridging or configure a proxy server on your host. | 12:20 |
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| PaulFertser | LuciusMare: iptables do not care about type of connection. If you have usb0 or eth2 or whatever device on your PC then you can use iptables to do whatever you need. | 12:20 |
| LuciusMare | hm | 12:23 |
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| LuciusMare | is there a simple windows app for that? | 12:24 |
| bigbrovar | anyone use upnp feature of the N900? am trying to setup a upnp server for my ubuntu workstation and am looking at mediatomb, has anyone tried it before? | 12:25 |
| PaulFertser | LuciusMare: what are you talking about? | 12:25 |
| PaulFertser | LuciusMare: is your PC running windows? | 12:25 |
| PaulFertser | Oh man, i think windows has some builtin means to do NAT (like "internet connection sharing" or some shit)... | 12:26 |
| LuciusMare | yes | 12:27 |
| LuciusMare | i hope so | 12:27 |
| LuciusMare | thank you | 12:28 |
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| PaulFertser | Weird guy | 12:29 |
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| Stskeeps | moin Myrtti | 12:31 |
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| lardman | morning all | 12:50 |
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| lardman | In Python, can I use sizeof() to get the length of a ListStore object? | 12:51 |
| lardman | if not, how should one do that? | 12:51 |
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| flux | any suggestions for a spreadseet app for n900? os2008 had gnumeric, anyone working on that? | 12:54 |
| lardman | have you tried compiling it? | 12:55 |
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| Italodance | salam be hamegi | 13:27 |
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| lardman | is that something to do with peace? | 13:30 |
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| bigbrovar | anyone use upnp feature of the N900? am trying to setup a upnp server for my ubuntu workstation and am looking at mediatomb, has anyone tried it before? -- works like a charm | 13:31 |
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| lardman | have used it with an XP box, worked fine | 13:31 |
| Corsac | hmhm, events id aren't used outside of el.db, are they? | 13:32 |
| bigbrovar | I just installed media box on ubuntu and pointed it to my to my timecapsule mount point where I have over 500gb of video and music | 13:32 |
| flux | lardman, me? no | 13:33 |
| flux | but perhaps I should | 13:33 |
| bigbrovar | everything is working ootb zeroconfig on the N900 it just detected the mediatomb upnp server and loads all my music and video and streams them fine \o/ | 13:33 |
| RST38h | BTW, anyone knows if N900 Canola is optified? | 13:34 |
| * RST38h does not want to install too much stuff to / | 13:34 | |
| Italodance | I HATE NOKIA! VIVA APPLE FOREVER! | 13:34 |
| Shadikka | bigbrovar: I tested the UPnP media client feature a while ago, works nicely | 13:35 |
| RST38h | LAWSUIT! LAWSUIT! | 13:35 |
| bigbrovar | Shadikka: yeah .. its wow... this is the best device I ever owned.. | 13:36 |
| Corsac | RST38h: didn't install canola, I was a bit scared about the daemon stuff | 13:36 |
| jX | just draw a pentagram on the back in blood and you'll be fine | 13:37 |
| Corsac | :)) | 13:39 |
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| RST38h | Corsac: Yea, it is a beast | 13:45 |
| RST38h | jX: Whose back? And in whose blood? | 13:45 |
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| jX | the back of the device, and whoever's blood you have handy. | 13:46 |
| Pudding-n900 | <Italodance> I HATE NOKIA! VIVA APPLE FOREVER! oO | 13:46 |
| Pudding-n900 | any arguments? | 13:46 |
| jX | yes | 13:46 |
| jX | want an iphone, go AT&T. | 13:46 |
| jX | argument over. | 13:46 |
| jX | (at least in the US) | 13:46 |
| RST38h | Italodance: see? it worked! | 13:46 |
| jX | for europe, want an iphone? LEarn to love itunes. | 13:47 |
| jX | argument over. | 13:47 |
| red | Has nokia given any info on when any portrait mode update is coming? | 13:47 |
| red | iPhone -- faulty hardware heaven | 13:47 |
| jX | I wouldn't say there's been a lot of faulty hardware. | 13:47 |
| red | Four devices in 1,5 months | 13:47 |
| red | argument over. | 13:47 |
| jX | lulz | 13:47 |
| jX | red++ | 13:48 |
| red | :D | 13:48 |
| red | want updates breaking your hardware? go iPhone now! | 13:48 |
| red | 122 900 views on 3.1 update killing wifi thread @ apple support forum | 13:49 |
| red | 0 replies by the company itself :) | 13:49 |
| red | two other similar threads with over 60k hits each too :p | 13:50 |
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| Corsac | red: while in b.m.o the official answer would be “create a brainstorm” | 13:52 |
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| andre__ | Corsac, not for stuff that are clearly bugs. | 13:53 |
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| RST38h | (given that you find some Nokia employee and privately persuade him that they are bugs) | 13:55 |
| RST38h | otherwise, they are enhancements, as in "Add WiFi capability to firmware xx-xx" | 13:56 |
| PaulFertser | andre__: yes, for hardware bugs the answer would be "contact nokia customer care" :/ | 13:59 |
| PaulFertser | And one can declare almost anything to be a "hardware bug". | 14:00 |
| andre__ | hmm.... | 14:00 |
| PaulFertser | andre__: to me all that "hardware/software" separation seems to be clearly ill. I can't understand why embedded developers do not confirm that. | 14:02 |
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| andre__ | erm... because you cannot fix hardware bugs by changing software code? | 14:02 |
| RST38h | Speaking of "enhancements". andre, could youverify the relevancy of bug #2501 in 51-xx ? | 14:03 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2501 Hardware keyboard doesn't switch Input language when pressing Ctrl+Space | 14:03 |
| PaulFertser | andre__: most of the time you can. | 14:03 |
| andre__ | PaulFertser, if you think so.... I disagree. | 14:03 |
| PaulFertser | andre__: look at any errata for chips. Half of them usually have a software workaround. | 14:03 |
| Corsac | workaround is not fix | 14:04 |
| andre__ | ah, "workaround". you said "fix" before. | 14:04 |
| andre__ | RST38h, why should it be fixed? :-P | 14:04 |
| PaulFertser | andre__: some workarounds are essentially fixes. And it's better to have a workaround than to have to talk to "customer care". Especially if the hardware is not supposed to be fixed. | 14:04 |
| RST38h | andre: I.e. not fixed in 51-xx and no plans to fix it? | 14:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Sone | 14:05 |
| andre__ | RST38h, no plans at all to fix it :-/ | 14:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Sometimes changing teh documentation is effectively a complete fix. | 14:05 |
| RST38h | andre: Wonderful. A perfect illustration of my words. | 14:05 |
| SpeedEvil | If it does not meaningfully affect the operation of the chip, or complicate the software. | 14:06 |
| PaulFertser | andre__: also very often a cooperation of software and hardware guys needed to actually verify the source of the problem and fix the bug. | 14:06 |
| andre__ | true. | 14:06 |
| andre__ | but unrelated. | 14:07 |
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| PaulFertser | andre__: you can't easily tell if the bug is software or hardware until you diagnose it. So telling people who has problems "maemo is only about software" is just plain wrong, that's how i see it. | 14:08 |
| andre__ | PaulFertser, who told that and where? | 14:08 |
| SpeedEvil | software or hardware or documentation. | 14:08 |
| PaulFertser | andre__: i'm constantly told that "bugs.maemo.org" is only for software issue. | 14:09 |
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| PaulFertser | andre__: see the n810 gps issues (that are still undiagnosed and unsolved, only workarounded by using AGPS) as an example. | 14:09 |
| andre__ | PaulFertser, yes, "bugs.maemo.org" is only for software issues. quite different from "maemo is only about software". :) | 14:09 |
| andre__ | PaulFertser, yeah. might be a hardware issue. | 14:10 |
| PaulFertser | andre__: same goes about the guy with a "faulty" headset on his n900. I'm still not convinced the headset was really faulty since it worked ok with other devices. | 14:10 |
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| andre__ | PaulFertser, yeah, might be | 14:11 |
| PaulFertser | andre__: i disagree with the idea to have differentiation for software and hardware issues. It's all related, ask any dev. | 14:11 |
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| andre__ | that's okay. and i disagree with changing it :) | 14:11 |
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| PaulFertser | andre__: i bet you just can't do it. | 14:12 |
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| andre__ | that might also be related :) | 14:12 |
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| PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: do you agree with my POV? | 14:12 |
| PaulFertser | andre__: btw, i'm sorry to ask you again but is there any chance to get answer for the questions i posed about n900 usb host mode? The mail was quite detailed and i hope sane and not offensive enough to expect a clear and useful answer. Or should i better keep reminding Stskeeps about it? | 14:13 |
| PaulFertser | s/to ask/to bother/ | 14:13 |
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| andre__ | PaulFertser, which email? | 14:14 |
| PaulFertser | andre__: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.devel/22757 | 14:14 |
| andre__ | ah. /me remembers something | 14:14 |
| andre__ | PaulFertser, don't know | 14:14 |
| PaulFertser | andre__: Igor seems to be too busy (optimistic interpretation) to reply :((( | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: i plan to probe people in january as previously stated | 14:15 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: ok, thanks in advance! | 14:15 |
| PaulFertser | :) | 14:15 |
| PaulFertser | (i seem to have forgotten about Jan or probably you haven't told the month) | 14:15 |
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| Stskeeps | right now i am fighting to put mer properly on n900, creating a pipeline for open sourcing things at community request and mapping what is actually closed | 14:17 |
| wackl | is there a way to synchronize thunderbird contacts with n900 contacts? | 14:17 |
| Corsac | opensync but it's a pain atm | 14:18 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: good luck with that, i think many hackers would be grateful for your work! :) | 14:18 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: btw, I might dedicate some time about mer on the TB if you want/need | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: kernel needs work | 14:19 |
| Corsac | (not now since my power adaptor is gone, but soon) | 14:19 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: 2.6.29-omap-pm is needed aiui? | 14:19 |
| papo | hey andre__, I'm just wondering... you seem to do buzilla all day... are you nokia staff? and if yes, are you involved in other things or is it just bug triaging all the time? | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: right | 14:20 |
| infobot | PaulFertser meant: andre__: btw, i'm sorry to bother you again but is there any chance to get answer for the questions i posed about n900 usb host mode? The mail was quite detailed and i hope sane and not offensive enough to expect a clear and useful answer. Or should i bet... | 14:20 |
| SpeedEvil | wackl: search for 'why the closed' on the wiki | 14:20 |
| tekojo | PaulFertser I don't understand USB much, but having talked to the USB people, my understanding is that there is no hope of otg | 14:20 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: as I said, I managed to boot a -pm kernel without problems (well there were rotation problems but it booted fine) | 14:20 |
| ceda | hmm, is bugs.maemo.org down? | 14:20 |
| Corsac | I've upgraded to 2009.12a so it's gone but I should be able to rebuild a recent one easily | 14:21 |
| SpeedEvil | teko: OTG is only one way of connecting stuff. | 14:21 |
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| PaulFertser | tekojo: OTG is a loosy technology anyway. | 14:21 |
| SpeedEvil | tekojo: for example, externally powered, with a special cable to an external power source, and USB host mode is the other. | 14:21 |
| PaulFertser | tekojo: you have to connect the equipment manually, by pushing jacks into receptables anyway. | 14:22 |
| PaulFertser | tekojo: pressing several buttons to switch modes is not a big deal. | 14:22 |
| andre__ | papo, I work for maemo.org as bugmaster, yeah | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: btw need your biased input on http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages , section 1 and 3 | 14:22 |
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| tekojo | can try and remember to ask the usb people when back at the office next year | 14:23 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: i'll try to write a biased essay in email, thanks for asking :) | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | tekojo: Thanks! | 14:23 |
| PaulFertser | tekojo: it would be very nice of you if you showed them my email. | 14:23 |
| papo | andre__: you just processed my bug, thank you :) | 14:23 |
| andre__ | papo, hehe :) | 14:23 |
| tekojo | will try to remember | 14:24 |
| PaulFertser | tekojo: because it has enough actual technical details to make for a constructive answer i hope. | 14:24 |
| ceda | papo: can you access bugs.maemo.org right now? | 14:24 |
| andre__ | me neither. | 14:24 |
| Corsac | either | 14:24 |
| tekojo | PaulFertser will try to remember | 14:25 |
| PaulFertser | tekojo: TIA | 14:25 |
| papo | ceda: it's either very slow or down | 14:25 |
| * tekojo bookmarks mail | 14:25 | |
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| ceda | papo: yeah, thanks for verifying that it's nothing at my end here | 14:25 |
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| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: people like you are going to be the type of people who will make most noise about procedure and process, so in this case its your bias i need :) | 14:27 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: sure. In fact my first impression of that page (i saw it several months before the first time) is that it should be much more frank. It sounds odd to see "Differentiation" as a valid reason to keep something closed but "Spreading maemo" as a valid reason to get something opened. And when the first seems to be pragmatic and sane (from a business pov) the second becomes hypocritic since nokia actually doesn't want spreading Maemo that much to n | 14:30 |
| PaulFertser | ... loose "competitive advantage". Somehow people like me get irritated over those small nuances. I'm going to write more a detailed report about my thoughts and feelings tomorrow evening or a bit later. | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 14:31 |
| crashanddie | woah | 14:31 |
| * crashanddie blinks | 14:31 | |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: where's johnx at? Why haven't we seen him in so long? | 14:31 |
| Hukka | Ugh, I can't get a handle on QTMultimedia vs Phonon. All google hits are from september, and then everybody agreed that the situation is unclear | 14:32 |
| Hukka | Unfortunately there's nothing newer where matters would have been explained. | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: break | 14:32 |
| Hukka | Anyone know what's the deal with QTMultimedia? | 14:32 |
| crashanddie | Hukka: agreed, the situation is unclear | 14:32 |
| bilboed-tp | Hukka, just use GStreamer. it'll still be around in maemo6 also | 14:32 |
| Hukka | bilboed-tp: Did GStreamer work well with QT? | 14:33 |
| crashanddie | dunno if it did, but it does | 14:33 |
| bilboed-tp | considering they have nothing to do with each other, yes | 14:33 |
| Hukka | Well, I suppose that if I want to (and I do) play video within a app window, then there has to be integration to the graphics toolkit | 14:34 |
| bilboed-tp | Hukka, that's trivial | 14:34 |
| Corsac | hmhm, status-area-applet-battery is closed source, isn't it? | 14:34 |
| Hukka | Good to know. Well, I was going to use GStreamer anyway, since that's what's in M5. But I'm just a bit put off by the PR from QTMultimedia people. | 14:35 |
| Hukka | There are two blog posts, and a lot of unanswered questions in the comments | 14:35 |
| bilboed-tp | Hukka, the current status about QTMultimedia is that there's no status | 14:35 |
| Hukka | Like "Why did you do this, when everything you claim to be amiss in Phonon is false" | 14:35 |
| bilboed-tp | Hukka, it's just going to go the way of Phonon which is "oh, let's desing a framework and THEN figure out how to fit the other frameworks inside of it"... which is the fastest path to failure | 14:36 |
| wackl | SpeedEvil: hm, not sure i get the point. do you mean that one or more reasons listed there are against a sync. with thunderbird contacts? | 14:36 |
| Hukka | bilboed-tp: From googling around I got the impression that Phonon is somewhat liked around developer circles. You disagree? | 14:36 |
| bilboed-tp | Hukka, depending on how far down you want to go, you might want to have a look at mafw, which will also be available in M6 AFAIK | 14:37 |
| bilboed-tp | Hukka, I'm a gstreamer developer, what do you want me to say ? :) | 14:37 |
| Hukka | bilboed-tp: Ah :) | 14:37 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie! | 14:38 |
| JimAM | anyone wanna see me do a sexy dance? | 14:39 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: ! | 14:39 |
| Hukka | bilboed-tp: Well, not withstanding that you don't have internal access, I would really like to hear "Nokia has a good plan for everything, and there will be no duplicate effort, and you can make every app work everywhere with same framework" | 14:39 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Belated response: newsletter not moved much yet; need to start work on tooling/pulling together the volunteers. | 14:39 |
| Hukka | But I wouldn't believe you, if you did say that... :/ | 14:39 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Maybe over the weekend | 14:39 |
| RST38h | Hukka: Woul dyou like to hear that or the truth? | 14:39 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: hmm | 14:39 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: you in London next week? Available for a drink? | 14:39 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: I'm leaving the weekend after next | 14:40 |
| Hukka | RST38h: Truth hurts, doesn't it... | 14:40 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Yes | 14:40 |
| mikhas | Hukka, what is so bad about using a non-qt lib in Qt, for once? | 14:40 |
| bilboed-tp | Hukka, getting GStreamer to suit most multimedia use-cases alone took about 6 years. Extrapolate that to a framework that wants to do the same thing with a wide variety of backends and you'll see why I'm very dubious as to Phonon/QTMultimedia getting anywhere | 14:40 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: I'd still like to help | 14:40 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Cool | 14:41 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: I'm so bored I've started to write a bot for an online flash game | 14:41 |
| Hukka | mikhas: I'm not opposed to that, no. My point was that there are several issues in Nokia-sphere, where things seem to be unnecessarily forked. | 14:41 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Good grief! | 14:41 |
| crashanddie | oh ja | 14:41 |
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| Jaffa | Hukka: Have you seen pmo today? | 14:41 |
| bilboed-tp | Hukka, there's even C++ bindings for GStreamer lying around somewhere | 14:42 |
| bilboed-tp | Hukka, if you really want to do it the C++ way | 14:42 |
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| bilboed-tp | Hukka, but doing C calls from C++ code works fine too | 14:42 |
| Hukka | Jaffa: Yeah, it's in my feed | 14:42 |
| Hukka | bilboed-tp: Actually, Python is preferred :) | 14:42 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: you had pretty good following, but if you don't act on it people will forget about it | 14:42 |
| bilboed-tp | Hukka, then no problem there :) | 14:42 |
| jayford | hello, can anyone please tell me if the maemo UI is translatable? or would someone have to come up with a hacked firmware for that? | 14:42 |
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| frals | pretty sure it is, i *think* timeless is doing his own english strings for it isnt he? | 14:44 |
| andre__ | jayford, didn't I explain this already or am I mixing up nicknames? | 14:44 |
| jayford | no not to me | 14:45 |
| jayford | :) | 14:45 |
| andre__ | heh. okay :) | 14:45 |
| andre__ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=27997 | 14:45 |
| jayford | thanks will read :) | 14:46 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Indeed. | 14:46 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: so what have you been up to, sir? What's new? | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | how was christmas? | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | is timeless around? | 14:47 |
| andre__ | jayford, Maemo5 is using gettext with po files that turn into mo files when compiling, while Maemo6 will most probably use the Qt way for translating | 14:48 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Christmas good. Pondering jobs at the moment | 14:48 |
| crashanddie | Someone should ask him how Christmas was :D | 14:48 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: oh really? | 14:48 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: He's not crashing at mine tonight (or, rather, isn't *yet* ;-)) | 14:49 |
| crashanddie | heh, so he convinced ya? | 14:49 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Yeah, I saw him in Helsinki a few weeks ago | 14:49 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: i'm kinda wondering if we can get something brewing for maemo5 since there's zh_HK localizations etc based on original nokia l10n :P | 14:50 |
| crashanddie | who could refuse a jewish boy trying to find the woman of his dreams during a pilgrimage | 14:50 |
| andre__ | ah | 14:50 |
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| jayford | andre__, I don't have the N900 yet, but when I will, will I be able to access these files? could I start translating right away or do I have to wait for this community project? and lastly - does the whole OS use these files? (can I translate "everything"?) | 14:51 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Ah, he's on the pull, is he? | 14:53 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: oh ja! | 14:53 |
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| * fnordianslip wonders how he can provide a screenshot for the conky download page ... any suggestions ? | 14:58 | |
| Hukka | fnordianslip: You mean apart from ctrl-shift-p? | 14:59 |
| Hukka | Was that the shortcut anyway, not sure... | 14:59 |
| fnordianslip | i mean, how do i post the image, not acquire it | 14:59 |
| Hukka | Ah. Flickr? | 14:59 |
| X-Fade | fnordianslip: edit the page in downloads | 14:59 |
| fnordianslip | ah, ... | 15:00 |
| jayford | http://tinypic.com/ | 15:00 |
| fnordianslip | i think editing is the answer I'm looking for | 15:00 |
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| fnordianslip | i knew that irritating floaty javascript thingy would come in handy one day :) | 15:01 |
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| zaheerm | does backup of communications and calendar backup contacts also? | 15:02 |
| thorbjorn | I'm facing the following problem with the libguichan-dev package: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m7d9f3e23 | 15:04 |
| thorbjorn | Where would be the appropriate place to file a bug report or to help fix the problem? | 15:04 |
| thorbjorn | (I'm trying to get The Mana World packaged based on the Debian build rules) | 15:04 |
| lardman | report the error to the author of libguichan | 15:05 |
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| thorbjorn | Hmm, the author has nothing to do with the package. | 15:06 |
| thorbjorn | And the package does not have this problem in Debian, due to the other ones being available. | 15:06 |
| lardman | sorry, I meant the person who pushed it to the repo | 15:06 |
| thorbjorn | Alright, where do I find such information? | 15:07 |
| lardman | should be listed for the package, comes from the control file | 15:07 |
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| thorbjorn | Is there something like package.debian.org for Maemo? | 15:08 |
| thorbjorn | packages.debian.org* | 15:08 |
| lardman | otherwise take a look at the cauldron ml and see who uploaded the package | 15:08 |
| frals | thorbjorn: http://maemo.org/packages/ maybe? | 15:09 |
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| lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/ | 15:10 |
| thorbjorn | frals: That lists mikkov_ as maintainer. | 15:10 |
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| thorbjorn | I'll see if it lists his email somewhere. | 15:12 |
| lardman | or catch him on TMO | 15:12 |
| thorbjorn | What is TMO? | 15:12 |
| lardman | ~TMO | 15:12 |
| lardman | infobot: wake up! | 15:13 |
| * infobot throws a barrel-full of ice water on up! and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" | 15:13 | |
| lardman | ~tmo | 15:13 |
| frals | talk.maemo.org | 15:13 |
| lardman | stupid bot | 15:13 |
| lardman | :) | 15:13 |
| thorbjorn | infobot: seen mikkov_? | 15:13 |
| infobot | mikkov_ <n=mtvartia@vipunen.hut.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 118d 13h 45m 22s ago, saying: 'GAN800: search for blueman, but yes it's major fail that it's not there'. | 15:13 |
| PaulFertser | lardman: but you still love him, do not you? ;) | 15:13 |
| lardman | PaulFertser: not sure love is the right word..... | 15:14 |
| thorbjorn | I guess I'll be looking into taking over maintainership now. | 15:15 |
| lardman | thorbjorn: he's still around on TMO | 15:15 |
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| lardman | I PM'd him the other day about another package iirc | 15:15 |
| thorbjorn | Ah, I totally missed TMO meant talk.maemo.org... sorry. | 15:15 |
| lardman | sorry, I was too busy cursing infobot to answer you | 15:16 |
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| thorbjorn | Hrm, does talk.maemo.org have a different username than garage.maemo.org? | 15:18 |
| lardman | hmm, my client has gone tits up, needs a restart, bbiam | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 15:19 |
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| lardman | thopiekar: but often the same | 15:19 |
| lardman | thopiekar: sorry | 15:19 |
| lardman | thorbjorn: see above | 15:19 |
| thopiekar | never mind :) | 15:19 |
| lardman | ~lart Windows clients | 15:19 |
| * infobot beats Windows clients senseless with a 50lb Unix manual | 15:19 | |
| lardman | bbiam | 15:19 |
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| crashanddie | yo lardman | 15:20 |
| lardman | hey crashanddie | 15:20 |
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| thorbjorn | Well that's great, now I have to wait 15 minutes to log in. :P | 15:20 |
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| crashanddie | lardman: what's up buddy? How is Qt coming along? | 15:21 |
| lardman | crashanddie: busy with day job stuff, but have packaged up gst-zbar and gst-dmtx to try and offload the processing to the gstreamer threads | 15:21 |
| lardman | and just fiddling about with some python code to test them out | 15:22 |
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| crashanddie | cool | 15:22 |
| lardman | and you? | 15:22 |
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| lardman | over in Oz yet? | 15:22 |
| crashanddie | nope | 15:22 |
| crashanddie | are you in London next week? | 15:22 |
| lardman | no chance, sorry | 15:23 |
| crashanddie | I'll be back from Tuesday afternoon till Saturday | 15:23 |
| lardman | going to be working my little socks | 15:23 |
| lardman | off | 15:23 |
| crashanddie | oh come on you fat bastard, last chance! | 15:23 |
| lardman | Got two papers to get in and a review to do | 15:23 |
| lardman | lol | 15:23 |
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| crashanddie | Mammoth fail. | 15:23 |
| lardman | will meet you when I'm next over in Oz, perhaps next year | 15:23 |
| crashanddie | Tusk. tusk. tusk. | 15:23 |
| lardman | :) | 15:23 |
| lardman | Oz is far preferable to London | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | yeah, but Jaffa will be down, and Aniello as well | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | why are you coming to Oz? | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | we don't want you lot :P | 15:24 |
| lardman | My Mum's Australian, I go every couple of years | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | oh really? | 15:25 |
| lardman | yeah | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | Whereabouts? | 15:25 |
| lardman | Adelaide or sometimes Perth | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | yeah, we won't be seeing each other :P | 15:25 |
| lardman | well 'tis only a short flight to the East coast ;) | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | if 5 hours of travel is short to you :P | 15:26 |
| crashanddie | (including queuing etc) | 15:26 |
| lardman | it is after the 24h-odd getting over there :p | 15:26 |
| lardman | flying to the US is short compared with flying to Singapore | 15:26 |
| crashanddie | I've got a 26h in the works | 15:26 |
| crashanddie | not very massive after a 40h journey :P | 15:26 |
| lardman | ah, West coast US to somewhere? | 15:27 |
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| crashanddie | (coming back from Cal. and going to the SoF + snow in London) | 15:27 |
| lardman | 40h?! | 15:27 |
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| crashanddie | oh yeah | 15:27 |
| lardman | ah, delays I take it | 15:27 |
| crashanddie | yup | 15:27 |
| lardman | harsh | 15:27 |
| crashanddie | yup | 15:27 |
| crashanddie | still not completely through jet-lag -- after two weeks | 15:27 |
| lardman | well we had no snow here in Bath, just some ice | 15:28 |
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| crashanddie | yeah but that's bath for ya :P | 15:28 |
| lardman | true, rain rain rain | 15:28 |
| lardman | right, got to pop to the shop, bbiam | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | I'm out for today | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | gotta setup a massive amount of fireworks for tonight | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | just over 400 quid worth :P | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | (picture on my flickr page, that's just 100 quid) | 15:29 |
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| crashanddie | I've got one cracker that was 50 quid on its own -- 4 stages, 380 grams in total; an absolute monster | 15:30 |
| crashanddie | anyway, take care! | 15:30 |
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| frals | hmm, pyside or pyqt for python+qt dev on fremantle? | 15:31 |
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| thorbjorn | At least I got the username right. | 15:37 |
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| Ceron | http://www.puhelinvertailu.com/uutiset.cfm/2009/12/31/nokia_lisasi_image_spaceen_laajennettua_todellisuutta i want this for maemo | 15:47 |
| Ceron | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr65Apn4V40&feature=player_embedded | 15:47 |
| Ceron | tobad n900 doesnt have the damn COMPASS | 15:48 |
| Ceron | augmented reality apps like that dont really work | 15:49 |
| lardman | mmm, augmented reality sounds cool | 15:49 |
| lardman | bit of a major oversight not adding the compass really | 15:49 |
| n900evil | I am willing to add the compass for only $50 | 15:50 |
| n900evil | To your n900 | 15:50 |
| lardman | how? | 15:50 |
| n900evil | of course, this may void warranty :) | 15:51 |
| lardman | ah, soldering it on | 15:51 |
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| lardman | what was the conclusion of that TMO thread then? | 15:51 |
| n900evil | dissasemble, add compass chip to I2C | 15:52 |
| lardman | would be good to find a BT device with a compass built in, anyone know of one? | 15:52 |
| lardman | Have we seen disassembled images yet? | 15:52 |
| lardman | and where's qwerty, I wonder if there are circuit diagrams scudding about too | 15:52 |
| n900evil | lard: I would gjuess only expensive garmin gpss that can also do bt | 15:52 |
| lardman | best to check there isn't one in there hidden away before getting out the soldering iron | 15:53 |
| n900evil | there are dissasembled images | 15:53 |
| n900evil | compass was not incljded as until recently it was quite expensive, and woujld add $15 to price | 15:54 |
| n900evil | this is changing. | 15:54 |
| lardman | but is in the N97? | 15:54 |
| n900evil | search fcc n900 dissasembled | 15:54 |
| lardman | ok | 15:55 |
| n900evil | also look in n900_hardware_hacking on wiki | 15:55 |
| lardman | http://www.haicom.com.tw/hi_406bt_c.aspx has compass, not sure if the compass data is available though (other than via the LEDs) | 15:55 |
| n900evil | there is a standard to export it via NMEA | 15:56 |
| n900evil | BUT... | 15:56 |
| lardman | yep, but not sure if it's anything more than a flashing light gimick in that device | 15:56 |
| n900evil | also compass in external device fails for AR | 15:57 |
| lardman | ? | 15:58 |
| n900evil | A | 15:58 |
| n900evil | it does not indicate devi | 15:58 |
| n900evil | ce pointing | 15:58 |
| lardman | caused by the N900 itself you mean? | 15:58 |
| n900evil | AR is seeing a virtual window as yoiu move the phone. | 15:59 |
| n900evil | if the compass is external it will move with that, not the n900 | 15:59 |
| lardman | I see | 15:59 |
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| lardman | I was thinking of taping it to the bottom of the device when I wanted that sort of thing | 16:00 |
| n900evil | ah | 16:00 |
| n900evil | gonna be huge. | 16:00 |
| lardman | just to do some hacking with | 16:00 |
| lardman | yeah | 16:00 |
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| n900evil | I need to see if the active I2C bus is exposed on the bolttom. | 16:01 |
| Hukka | bilboed-tp: Tell me if you don't want to be bugged, but what could "dsp_thread: failed waiting for events | 16:02 |
| Hukka | " mean | 16:02 |
| Hukka | I'm opening a videofile to playbin, but it just stalls in the first frame until the app is killed | 16:02 |
| lardman | n900evil: looks like the compass in that device is just a gimmick | 16:03 |
| lardman | shame | 16:03 |
| Hukka | Google gives very little results, mostly to source files in maemo.gitorious.org | 16:03 |
| n900evil | is there a completion stroke in xchat? | 16:03 |
| n900evil | nick completion. | 16:04 |
| thorbjorn | It isn't tab? | 16:04 |
| n900evil | how do I get tab though. | 16:04 |
| thorbjorn | Ah... | 16:04 |
| lardman | symbols | 16:04 |
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| n900evil | how do I pop that up | 16:05 |
| lardman | fn-ctrl | 16:06 |
| n900evil | stupidly picky | 16:07 |
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| n900evil | most of the times IK press ikt it does not pop up. | 16:07 |
| n900evil | ah. requires fn first. stupid. | 16:09 |
| n900evil | thanks. | 16:09 |
| bilboed-tp | Hukka, it's the dsp bridge code. Haven't hacked that much with that part | 16:10 |
| bilboed-tp | Hukka, most likely a file that isn't perfectly supported :( | 16:10 |
| lardman | I wonder if this: http://www.wintec.com.tw/GPS/bluetoothgps/WBT100.htm | 16:10 |
| lardman | outputs the compass data as part of its $GP* data set | 16:11 |
| lardman | $GPVTG for example | 16:11 |
| Hukka | bilboed-tp: That one came from a video recorded with N900... | 16:11 |
| bilboed-tp | Hukka, oh, that's really bad then | 16:11 |
| Hukka | The 9 trailer and the N900 preloaded vid gave Error: GStreamer encountered a general stream error. qtdemux.c(2468): gst_qtdemux_loop (): /GstPlayBin:player/GstDecodeBin2:decodebin21/GstQTDemux:qtdemux1: | 16:11 |
| bilboed-tp | some of those issues are fixed in the upcoming firmware update iirc | 16:12 |
| Hukka | Would you have a small video available, that's sure to play? | 16:12 |
| Hukka | Just to test the app independent of the format support | 16:13 |
| n900evil | la: lists vtg and zda sentances. check what those are | 16:13 |
| bilboed-tp | Hukka, the ones provided with the device should definitely work :) | 16:13 |
| lardman | http://aprs.gids.nl/nmea/#zda | 16:14 |
| Hukka | Hm, just to clarify, they do of course play well in the official media player | 16:14 |
| Hukka | But I'm trying to use gst from python directly | 16:14 |
| lardman | VTG is track made good, has a comment about magnetic heading | 16:15 |
| n900evil | la: gphdt maybe | 16:15 |
| bilboed-tp | Hukka, aaah, ok | 16:15 |
| bilboed-tp | Hukka, try playing them with "gst-launch-0.10 playbin2 uri=file:///where/your/file/is/located.mov" | 16:16 |
| bilboed-tp | Hukka, if that works too, then it's most likely a bug in your app | 16:16 |
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| lardman | n900evil: nah, doesn't output that one | 16:16 |
| Hukka | bilboed-tp: No gst-launch available on N900, what do I need to install for that? | 16:17 |
| bilboed-tp | Hukka, it's provided by the gstreamer-tools package (or something like that) | 16:17 |
| Hukka | Already installed | 16:17 |
| n900evil | lard: none I can find docs on give field vector in 3d | 16:17 |
| bilboed-tp | Hukka, wth ? let me check | 16:17 |
| Hukka | bilboed-tp: Delay that, finds it now | 16:17 |
| lardman | n900evil: bingo! http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/wintec-data-logger.php | 16:18 |
| Hukka | Might have been something wrong with the tab completion | 16:18 |
| Hukka | at least dpkg -L found it | 16:18 |
| bilboed-tp | :) | 16:18 |
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| Hukka | bilboed-tp: All videos work with that | 16:20 |
| bilboed-tp | then most likely a bug with your app | 16:20 |
| Hukka | Ok, so error is, as expected, in my code :) | 16:20 |
| bilboed-tp | try the examples in gst-python/examples/ | 16:20 |
| bilboed-tp | and I think zaheerm did a small maemo gst example | 16:20 |
| bilboed-tp | s/gst/pygst/ | 16:20 |
| infobot | bilboed-tp meant: and I think zaheerm did a small maemo pygst example | 16:20 |
| Hukka | infobot: Oh for... Are you the most useful little bot... | 16:21 |
| infobot | okay, Hukka | 16:21 |
| zaheerm | i did | 16:22 |
| zaheerm | it is in examples inside gst-python | 16:22 |
| Hukka | bilboed-tp: I triedthe pyqt-gst-player example first, but I'll take a step backwards and drop QT out of it | 16:22 |
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| Hukka | zaheerm: Yeah, it's right here. maemogst.py | 16:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | lardman: that device alas says it can't do compass and nmea at the same time | 16:23 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: indeed | 16:24 |
| zaheerm | lardman, you using gst-zbar yet in mbarcode? | 16:24 |
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| lardman | though it does mention in the article that it might provide heading data to be used in the GPS output at low speed | 16:24 |
| lardman | zaheerm: just testing in a python version of mbarcode | 16:24 |
| lardman | zaheerm: but gst-dmtx is very slow and brings the pipeline to its knees | 16:24 |
| zaheerm | ouch | 16:24 |
| lardman | is rather slow | 16:25 |
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| lardman | will try moving it to another queue and skipping frames like crazy, see if I can get something useful working | 16:25 |
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| zaheerm | you can always drop the framerate | 16:25 |
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| * lardman|n140 moves to a notebook | 16:28 | |
| lardman|n140 | zaheerm: framerate already as low as possible | 16:29 |
| lardman|n140 | |I don't know the exact setting for the N900, but I request one below 10fps | 16:29 |
| lardman|n140 | still, dmtx decoding is rather intensive | 16:30 |
| Hukka | The maemogst example is quite different from the ones I've yet seen | 16:30 |
| Hukka | No make_factory and so on | 16:30 |
| Hukka | (I mean element_factory_make) | 16:30 |
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| lardman|n140 | even in the manual C code I wrote, with dmtx running in a thread and only 2x per second, it would make the xvimagesink output stutter badly | 16:31 |
| zaheerm | Hukka, gst.parse_launch for simple pipelines is much easier | 16:31 |
| zaheerm | lardman|n140, you suspect the library or a gstreamer issue? | 16:31 |
| Hukka | zaheerm: I'll try to port that example to QT, let's see how that goes. | 16:31 |
| zaheerm | Hukka, feel free to submit it to gst-python biugzilla so we can add a qt gst-python example | 16:32 |
| Hukka | zaheerm: Assuming I get it working first :) | 16:32 |
| Hukka | But sure, I'll try to remember that | 16:32 |
| zaheerm | good luck | 16:33 |
| lardman|n140 | zaheerm: is the lib | 16:35 |
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| bilboed-tp | Hukka, the only tricky part for you will be to figure out how to get a QT widget XID (to give to the XOverlay interface) | 16:39 |
| Hukka | bilboed-tp: I know | 16:40 |
| Mysterious | hi | 16:40 |
| Hukka | bilboed-tp: I'm right at that point. | 16:40 |
| lardman|n140 | let me know how you get on, I need to know the same stuff | 16:40 |
| Hukka | Getting the test screen to play was trivial, of course, since that is completely independent of the gui toolkit | 16:40 |
| Mysterious | Is there a release of the VLC Player for N900 yet? | 16:40 |
| lardman|n140 | you need to set the Qt widgets to each have their own window | 16:40 |
| Hukka | Though, the test I first tried to do didn't even do that... | 16:40 |
| Hukka | That's also the exact thing that all the examples for QT avoid :) | 16:42 |
| Mysterious | please answer | 16:42 |
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| onion | fremantle builder seems to have problems? | 16:43 |
| lardman|n140 | Mysterious: no idea | 16:43 |
| Mysterious | :( thanks anyways | 16:43 |
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| AndrewFBlack | Hello | 16:47 |
| cehteh | where are the avatar images you add to contacts stored? | 16:48 |
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| villager | cehteh: in the same database as the rest of the contact info, as far as I can tell | 16:50 |
| cehteh | ah ok, i just figured out that it cant be just a link to the original file | 16:51 |
| cehteh | that would get unmounted on usb connection | 16:51 |
| villager | hmm, maybe not | 16:51 |
| villager | ~/.osso-abook/avatars/ | 16:51 |
| Hukka | Ouch... a bunch of X Errors | 16:52 |
| cehteh | villager: ah thanks | 16:53 |
| villager | cehteh: but yeah, it's copied into its addressbook directory | 16:53 |
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| cehteh | yes | 16:53 |
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| bilboed-tp | on a desktop computer, when you're on a 'planet' website in firefox, you get an easy link to the rss feed | 17:13 |
| bilboed-tp | how do you get to that with the browser ? | 17:14 |
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| zaheerm | copy url, go to terminal, wget <paste> read file in editor ;) | 17:15 |
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| zaheerm | sorry for pointless response ;) | 17:15 |
| * bilboed-tp slaps zaheerm | 17:15 | |
| clmntch | hello | 17:15 |
| dymaxion | hi there! I just received my N900 this morning! woot! | 17:16 |
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| bizzle1 | can someone help me get the n900 kernel to boot the microsd slot as root? | 17:18 |
| Caesium | got mine yesterday :) | 17:18 |
| lardman|n140 | n900evil: http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=57588&whichpage=5 | 17:18 |
| Aranel | Where can I get .po files like osso-dsm-ui.po, or mediaplayer.po etc? | 17:18 |
| lardman|n140 | n900evil: $HCHDG message :) | 17:19 |
| * Gadgetoid_mbp opens and closes his N900 back cover, marvelling at the ingenuity of the SD card enabling | 17:19 | |
| Caesium | hum, is there no way to get smart calendar events in the calendar widget on the desktop? | 17:20 |
| Caesium | I'd like to see when birthdays are approaching :) | 17:20 |
| lardman|n140 | likewise | 17:20 |
| lardman|n140 | is the applet open source? | 17:21 |
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| lardman|n140 | if not, should be easy enough to write a new one with some willpower | 17:21 |
| Caesium | considering trying the gpe calendar suite from extras-testing, looks fairly stable? | 17:21 |
| * dymaxion is already worried the plastic kickstand on his N900 will snap off! | 17:21 | |
| Caesium | the default calendaring is pretty weak, doesn't do bi-weekly events was the first thing I noticed :( | 17:22 |
| kirma | ohh, maemo-geolocation works! | 17:22 |
| kirma | should revive my "from this place to my favourite places" frontend to the public transport optimizer | 17:22 |
| kirma | used to work with phone-internal web server and serious hackery on S60 phones | 17:23 |
| X-Fade | Ok, time to go into New Year mode. More work next year ;) | 17:23 |
| * cehteh misses some rules based thingy which sets the avaliability state, using accelerometer, time, if music is playing, display state and so on | 17:23 | |
| lardman|n140 | n900evil: can't see anywhere to buy one mind you | 17:23 |
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| * Caesium wonders if anyone has actually tried n900fly for real, makes me giggle every time I see it in the repo :) | 17:25 | |
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| cehteh | there are mobile throwing championchips :) | 17:26 |
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| cehteh | and my self build case is almost finished, that makes the n900 quite sturdy, then i may try :P | 17:27 |
| Caesium | I put a £3 amazon case round mine till I find something better :) | 17:27 |
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| * cehteh vacuum molded some shells and now laminating it with neoprene | 17:28 | |
| cehteh | exact fit :) | 17:28 |
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| Caesium | nice :) | 17:28 |
| cehteh | bit expensive in labor and price too, but prolly the best around :) | 17:29 |
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| * cehteh will send some pix next days | 17:29 | |
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| Italodance | farsi? | 17:32 |
| Hukka | bilboed-tp: Grrh... this is a bit untrivial since I don't yet know anything about QT | 17:35 |
| bilboed-tp | then stick to gtk :) | 17:35 |
| Hukka | Can't find the way to poke into the main gui thread | 17:35 |
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| bilboed-tp | gah | 17:36 |
| bilboed-tp | Hukka, first answer of googling for "gstreamer qt mainloop" | 17:36 |
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| Arkenoi | what is the video out resolution for n900? there are several ntsc variants so i am not sure which data are correct | 17:37 |
| Hukka | bilboed-tp: Thank you, the mainloop was the missing kw | 17:37 |
| Hukka | bilboed-tp: Gui thread didn't give anything reasonable | 17:37 |
| Arkenoi | does it provide native resolution or is it lower? | 17:38 |
| Hukka | bilboed-tp: Nope, that does not resolve the problem. Based on that there should be no problem in the first place... | 17:38 |
| jebba | could tracker-indexer possible consume more? | 17:41 |
| Caesium | doesn't do it for long I think | 17:41 |
| Caesium | noticed mine using 90% io for a few minutes earlier, but it's idle now. | 17:42 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 17:50 |
| Sir_Lancelot | hi guys | 17:50 |
| Sir_Lancelot | wasup? any great news about our n900? | 17:50 |
| Sir_Lancelot | :d | 17:50 |
| lcuk | hi Khertan, hope you had a great christmas and are gonna have an even better new year ! | 17:50 |
| woglinde | he lcuk | 17:51 |
| lcuk | hey woglinde | 17:51 |
| Khertan | Hi lcuk, i hope you too ! | 17:51 |
| Khertan | but no particular enjoy foir new year as my wife works tomorrow | 17:52 |
| Khertan | we will not wait the end of this year before going to bed | 17:52 |
| bizzle1 | has anyone had any luck booting from the microsd? | 17:53 |
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| lcuk | arghhh Khertan what timein the morning does she start work? | 17:53 |
| Khertan | i m just planning tomorrow to finish the web mnotes website ... | 17:53 |
| Khertan | luck : 6 hours | 17:54 |
| Khertan | and working until 21h | 17:54 |
| lcuk | yikes | 17:54 |
| woglinde | hi khertan | 17:55 |
| Khertan | hi woglinde | 17:55 |
| Khertan | Someone know which method i should call to bring a hildon windows to front ? | 17:55 |
| Khertan | i m fighting with that | 17:56 |
| lardman|n140 | I think there might be a libosso method to foreground a window | 17:56 |
| woglinde | he lardman | 17:56 |
| woglinde | n140 is cool | 17:56 |
| woglinde | what ever it is | 17:56 |
| lardman|n140 | kb a bit too small, but does the job pretty well | 17:56 |
| lardman|n140 | samsung n140 | 17:57 |
| Hukka | Ain't that just great. Only response I can get from QT people is "use phonon" "Use _phonon_!" | 17:57 |
| * lardman|n140 replies, use gst | 17:57 | |
| Hukka | lardman|n140: I'm trying | 17:57 |
| woglinde | *g* | 17:57 |
| woglinde | phonon can do gst too | 17:58 |
| Khertan | use gtk ! | 17:58 |
| lardman|n140 | lol :) | 17:58 |
| Khertan | :) | 17:58 |
| woglinde | khertan lol | 17:58 |
| woglinde | use apples | 17:58 |
| woglinde | no strawberries | 17:58 |
| Flandry | Is autobuilder horribly broken at the minute? | 17:58 |
| Hukka | Yeah, that seems to be the gist here. Everyone surely is very crosstoolkit friendly and nothing is tied to anything, but try using anything but the default combinations... | 17:59 |
| woglinde | flandry why? | 17:59 |
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| Flandry | it's failing to meet dependencies for debhelper lol | 18:00 |
| Khertan | today i understand than when i made a maemo application it twice the time to made the ui than everythings else | 18:00 |
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| woglinde | Flandry maemo only has debhelper 5 not 7 | 18:01 |
| lardman|n140 | Khertan: ain't that the truth, me looks fondly back to the days of dsp programming | 18:01 |
| Flandry | it worked in scratchbox | 18:01 |
| thopiekar_n800 | is it possible to use maemo mapper on normal computer? | 18:01 |
| Flandry | i think that has the same version | 18:01 |
| Khertan | for example it takes me less time to do the sync in mtodos and the server side than puting color and some preferences button on the ui | 18:01 |
| * lardman|n140 gives up on finding a bluetooth compass :( | 18:03 | |
| lardman|n140 | was quite looking forward to some augemented reality | 18:03 |
| Flandry | maybe the unsigned flag was messing with it | 18:04 |
| Flandry | will see in a moment | 18:04 |
| Flandry | nope | 18:04 |
| Flandry | it's just broken | 18:04 |
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| Flandry | Anyone successfully build something on autobuilder recently? | 18:10 |
| RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5437720/guy-turns-dell-netbook-into-10+inch-android-mini-3i-phone?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gizmodo%2Ffull+%28Gizmodo%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher | 18:11 |
| niekt0 | hm, ad https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7141 do someone know key to add? | 18:12 |
| povbot` | Bug 7141: Fremantle Tools repository not properly signed | 18:12 |
| woglinde | ~user borealid | 18:12 |
| woglinde | hm okay | 18:12 |
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| zs | hi, which version of firmware should I use: UK variant or Global? (I am from UK) What's the difference? | 18:14 |
| Flandry | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/prboom_2.5.0-svn20091231-0maemo0/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt | 18:14 |
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| Flandry | sorry zs, no idea | 18:16 |
| Flandry | there was some discussion of it on talk though | 18:16 |
| bilboed-tp | RST38h, lol, brings you back 20 years with the good old brick-sized nokia phones :) | 18:16 |
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| Flandry | you might search there | 18:16 |
| woglinde | some one uploaded debconf | 18:17 |
| woglinde | and the autobuilder didnt stop it | 18:17 |
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| Flandry | you mean a newer version than it supports? | 18:18 |
| lardman|n140 | did anyone work out whether usb host mode is actually somehow possible on the n900? | 18:18 |
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| Flandry | not that i've read | 18:18 |
| woglinde | lardman beagleboard can do it so n900 should do it too | 18:18 |
| lardman|n140 | it was disabled due to the usb charging | 18:19 |
| lardman|n140 | just wondering what form the disabling takes | 18:19 |
| * lardman|n140 is still thinking about compasses | 18:19 | |
| Flandry | what direction? | 18:20 |
| lardman|n140 | ? | 18:20 |
| moo-_- | lardman|n140: goes down to hardware... at least someone mentioned so | 18:20 |
| Flandry | are you going with it | 18:20 |
| lardman|n140 | moo-_-: ok, I feared as much | 18:20 |
| lardman|n140 | Flandry: well I'm just wondering how to get a compass readout, somehow | 18:20 |
| moo-_- | lardman|n140: bluetooth | 18:21 |
| Flandry | moo: i read that and then later i mentioned it and people told me i was imagining it | 18:21 |
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| Flandry | you mean a heading based on GPS? | 18:21 |
| lardman|n140 | moo-_-: there used to be some gpses with compass, but I certainly can't find any bt compasses using google | 18:21 |
| lardman|n140 | Flandry: no, static direction | 18:22 |
| Flandry | i didn't know that was done | 18:22 |
| moo-_- | lardman|n140: bt gps | 18:22 |
| moo-_- | lardman|n140: or even another phone with compass... | 18:22 |
| lardman|n140 | moo-_-: there was one which had a compass, not avaiulable any longer | 18:22 |
| lardman|n140 | moo-_-: in that case I may as well just work on the other phone though | 18:23 |
| Flandry | who's the deb-meister now? | 18:23 |
| lardman|n140 | plus expensive | 18:23 |
| lardman|n140 | Flandry: jeremiah_ | 18:23 |
| Flandry | i should probably report that his builder is broke :P | 18:23 |
| jeremiah_ | Flandry: Yeah | 18:23 |
| jeremiah_ | We know | 18:23 |
| jeremiah_ | I mentioned it to Niels | 18:23 |
| Flandry | oh ok | 18:23 |
| jeremiah_ | But he is in Vacation mode. :) | 18:23 |
| Flandry | ah | 18:24 |
| Flandry | maybe we need an autobuilder-status page | 18:24 |
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| niekt0 | lardman> I tried to make microusb-AB cable from microusb-B, but didn't help | 18:27 |
| fnordianslip | has anyone used Nokia MultiMedia Sync on a Mac to sync their iTunes library? Its been running for about 30 mins using 100% CPU (on 1 core) and Nokia Device Browser says "Preparing iTunes Transfers". Is it hung, or do I need to be much more patient? I expect the actual sync to take a couple of hours, as it did when I used Sailing Media Sync. I have about 20GB of tunes to transfer. | 18:28 |
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| bilboed-tp | 20Gb would take some time | 18:28 |
| fnordianslip | Even in the preparing stage? | 18:29 |
| bilboed-tp | no, just meant the actual transfer time | 18:29 |
| bilboed-tp | don't have a mac | 18:29 |
| bilboed-tp | (I just copy the files over) | 18:29 |
| fnordianslip | the disk usage on the device hasn;t increased in 30 mins | 18:29 |
| bilboed-tp | have you considered just... copying the files ? :) | 18:30 |
| fnordianslip | Yes. No way :) I need incremental syncs with a 20GB library, and to sync playlists too :) | 18:30 |
| bilboed-tp | blame Nokia for not having put MTP support | 18:31 |
| fnordianslip | Sailing Media Sync works ok, but screws up playlist m3u files | 18:31 |
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| fnordianslip | and Nokia MultiMedia Sync uses PC Suite mode when connecting, rather than having the host mount the filesystems directly, so I don't really know what is going on under the hood | 18:32 |
| cosmo_ | anyone from san francisco awake yet? | 18:32 |
| pupnik_ | n900 left on overnight with wifi and ssh after 12 hours : 79% charge left | 18:33 |
| Caesium | your ssh was still alive? my ssh to n900 seems to drop after a few minutes of inactivity | 18:33 |
| Caesium | not sure if tehre's some power saving I've missed | 18:33 |
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| pupnik_ | could be related to your wlan AP device | 18:34 |
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| Flandry | 79% after 12 hours of wan? | 18:39 |
| Flandry | wish mine could do that :P | 18:39 |
| lardman | niekt0: ok, thanks | 18:39 |
| lardman | niekt0: did you insmod the host modules too? | 18:40 |
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| ShadowJK | ssh stays active for me for as long as I'm within wlan range | 18:42 |
| Flandry | mine too | 18:42 |
| ShadowJK | sometimes survives even if I wander outside wlan range for a few minutes | 18:42 |
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| pupnik_ | Flandry: i didn't leave uqm running ;) | 18:46 |
| Flandry | ha :P | 18:46 |
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| pupnik_ | I don't know any other game that has a dynamic plot like Star Control II - one that works. | 18:47 |
| pupnik_ | It really is a work of genius/art. | 18:47 |
| pupnik_ | You know what they did to finish it, don't you? | 18:48 |
| RST38h | mmm | 18:48 |
| RST38h | how about zangband? | 18:48 |
| dnaumov | On the initial charge to full, my N900 lasted about 26 hours. After I let it completely go down to 0 and the then recharge... its now been going for 36 hours and its at over 75% battery :) | 18:49 |
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| RST38h | no way | 18:50 |
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| ShadowJK | dnaumov, was that 26 hours to first battery low warning? | 18:51 |
| ShadowJK | or until it shut down? | 18:51 |
| dnaumov | Shadikka: 3rd battery low warning I think | 18:52 |
| Shadikka | I presume tabfail. | 18:52 |
| woglinde | moo | 18:52 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 18:53 |
| dnaumov | Shadikka correct | 18:53 |
| lardman | hmm, gst-dmtx kills framerate to 0 | 18:53 |
| woglinde | lardman lol | 18:53 |
| ShadowJK | battery meter must've recalibrated itself when it went completely down then | 18:53 |
| RST38h | By The Way | 18:53 |
| lcuk | battery low warning is a misnomer, its actually "at the current power draw, your battery will expire soon" change the usage pattern at that point and you can actually stop it moaning at you :D | 18:54 |
| RST38h | If someone tells me where XChat stores default settings in its source code, you will get a NY release of XChat =) | 18:54 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Especially if you turn the phone off, yes | 18:54 |
| lcuk | RST38h, i think people just want the settings savable without crashing | 18:54 |
| lcuk | heh rst yeah | 18:54 |
| lcuk | in amsterdam i sat down in a cafe | 18:55 |
| lcuk | and my phone binged low battery | 18:55 |
| lcuk | i started writing with the intent of staying till battery went flat | 18:55 |
| lcuk | it carried on working for hours and stopped moaning at me | 18:55 |
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| * lcuk loves the optimizations in liqbase :) | 18:55 | |
| Caesium | lcuk: were you not worried about the possibility ofnot being able to recharge it? | 18:56 |
| Caesium | sure I read somewhere that the OS has to be booted for the battery to charge, and the battery needs some charge for the OS to boot ;) | 18:56 |
| woglinde | optimizations? | 18:56 |
| lcuk | Caesium, no | 18:56 |
| Caesium | I've been a bit paranoid about it since I read it | 18:56 |
| lcuk | my batteries routine get left till they die | 18:57 |
| lcuk | routinely, i am never near a charger when they go | 18:57 |
| lcuk | woglinde, liqbase sketching screen does as little as possible | 18:57 |
| lcuk | and i dont run other stuff usually | 18:58 |
| lardman | Caesium, lcuk: no, that is true actually, the kernel needs to start | 18:58 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Ah, trust me, people want settings I am going to include ;) | 18:59 |
| lardman | if you let it run flat, then leave it for a year, you're in trouble | 18:59 |
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| lcuk | lardman, ok then, the battery has never died enough to make it not start | 18:59 |
| lardman | yep | 18:59 |
| lcuk | the nokia battery code must shut it down carefully enough | 18:59 |
| lardman | it doesn't need much power to start the kernel up, even if it will then not let the rest of the device startup | 19:00 |
| caotic | is there an irc client for the n900 ( other than pidgin ) cant find xchat on the default included repositories | 19:00 |
| woglinde | rst is working an xchat | 19:00 |
| woglinde | and qwerty | 19:00 |
| jX | caotic: Turn on extras-devel | 19:00 |
| Xisdibik | jX: id give a warning before saying that | 19:00 |
| jX | caotic: WARNING turn on extras-devel | 19:01 |
| Caesium | :) | 19:01 |
| Xisdibik | state the warning too :P | 19:01 |
| caotic | ha ! | 19:01 |
| lcuk | caotic, WARNING: DO NOT EAT THE YELLOW SNOW. turn on extras-devel | 19:01 |
| Xisdibik | thats better | 19:01 |
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| caotic | I'll try to remember that lcuk | 19:01 |
| Xisdibik | lcuk, what about brown snow? | 19:02 |
| jX | WARNING: IF ERECTION LASTS FOR MORE THAN FOUR HOURS CONTACT A DOCTOR turn on extras-devel for xchat then disable it. | 19:02 |
| lcuk | you make your own path | 19:02 |
| Flandry | lol | 19:02 |
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| lcuk | WARNING: DO NOT LOOK INTO LASER WITH REMAINING EYE. xchat is in extras-devel | 19:02 |
| Flandry | extras-devel killed my father | 19:02 |
| fnordianslip | lcuk: ^ the best warning ever, lol | 19:03 |
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| jX | extras-devel gave me a new thick head of hair! | 19:03 |
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| lcuk | lardman|n140, whats this n140 business | 19:03 |
| lardman|n140 | samsung | 19:04 |
| caotic | how do you turn on extras-devel I only have a "Maemo Extra". | 19:04 |
| caotic | And it is already turned on | 19:04 |
| lcuk | you got a laptop | 19:04 |
| lardman|n140 | netbook | 19:04 |
| Caesium | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras#Extras-devel :) | 19:04 |
| caotic | Caesium: does n900 has apt-get ? | 19:04 |
| Caesium | yep | 19:04 |
| caotic | Ahh I see | 19:05 |
| Xisdibik | lardman|n140, how you liking it, i have the first samsungnetbook, the NC10 | 19:05 |
| lcuk | caotic, Do not try to install the extras-devel — that's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth: there is no extras-devel. | 19:05 |
| * Xisdibik watches lcuk bend a n900 around with his mind | 19:06 | |
| lardman|n140 | Xisdibik: does the job, battery life is good, kb is not too small, etc | 19:06 |
| Xisdibik | so you like it? | 19:06 |
| lcuk | Xisdibik, if you saw some of the code im writing you would reconsider that ;) | 19:06 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q | 19:06 |
| lardman|n140 | I prefer a desktop with 3 monitors | 19:06 |
| lardman|n140 | but yes, it's good for the job it's designed for | 19:06 |
| lcuk | lardman im thinking of getting a 10" touchscreen | 19:06 |
| niekt0 | 0% [Connecting to repository.maemo.org (78.128.147.32)]^C | 19:06 |
| RST38h | Gentlemen, does MyDocs/Downloads exist on every device? | 19:06 |
| niekt0 | wtf?;) | 19:06 |
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| Caesium | RST38h: not on my N900 (yet) | 19:07 |
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| Xisdibik | lcuk, seen that ^^ | 19:07 |
| Caesium | I haven't attempted to download anything to it through the web browser or anything though. Perhaps it'll get autocreated. | 19:07 |
| caotic | lardman|n140: dont you hate when you drop your 3 monitor desktop when you take it out of your pocket. That happends to me everytime | 19:07 |
| RST38h | Ah ok, Torrent client makes it | 19:07 |
| Xisdibik | lardman, did yours come with Win XP or 7? | 19:07 |
| lardman|n140 | win7 | 19:08 |
| lcuk | Xisdibik, well im playing with making that moar useful :) | 19:08 |
| lardman|n140 | Might install XP on it mind you, Win 7 doens't do much for me | 19:08 |
| * lcuk will hopefully do what i aimed to do 12months ago | 19:08 | |
| lardman|n140 | but it came with a larger hdd for only £30 more | 19:08 |
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| Xisdibik | lardman|n140, mine was 160, though ive since installed a 640GB hdd in it | 19:11 |
| lardman|n140 | yeah, this is 250GB | 19:11 |
| lardman|n140 | did an immediate RAM upgrade | 19:11 |
| lardman|n140 | 1 -> 2GB | 19:12 |
| woglinde | lardman do you have a link for it? | 19:13 |
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| lardman|n140 | upgrade? | 19:15 |
| lardman|n140 | went to crucial and took their recommendation | 19:15 |
| lardman|n140 | which happened to agree with the forum posts ;) | 19:15 |
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| RST38h | Ok, another important question: | 19:20 |
| RST38h | Does everyone have MHeiGB18030C-Medium font??? | 19:20 |
| woglinde | aeh? | 19:21 |
| woglinde | lc-conf | 19:21 |
| woglinde | should list the ttf fonts | 19:21 |
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| woglinde | args fc-list | 19:21 |
| woglinde | it was | 19:22 |
| * RST38h is going to make this font the default for XChat | 19:22 | |
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| woglinde | MHeiGB18030C\-Medium:style=Regular | 19:22 |
| RST38h | It lets you fit more characters into a line, stays very readable | 19:22 |
| SpeedEvil | the nokia bold one is the one I'm using | 19:23 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: are you the xchat packager? | 19:23 |
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| woglinde | speedevil he fixes some stuff | 19:23 |
| woglinde | qwerty started if got it correct | 19:23 |
| lardman|n140 | balls | 19:24 |
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| lardman|n140 | not in reply to woglinde's comment | 19:24 |
| lardman|n140 | just a general statement about gst-dmtx | 19:25 |
| lardman|n140 | hmm, /me wonders how on Earth to get it to work in realtime | 19:26 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: I prefer the nokia smiley bold | 19:26 |
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| jebba | gar, anyone here got mer workign on n900? I got most going except touchscreen (i am calibrating it, but after that, no touch). Some notes here: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Mer Stskeeps was helpful in #mer for awhile then family arrived i think ;) | 19:28 |
| RST38h | Speed: I also tried it | 19:28 |
| RST38h | Speed: It is fine but there is one problem with it | 19:28 |
| RST38h | Speed: If somebody decides to send a message in bold to the channel, you will not see it | 19:28 |
| RST38h | The MHeig font fixes that | 19:28 |
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| woglinde | I have font problems with navit | 19:31 |
| n900evil | rst: can't | 19:31 |
| Corsac | pff, sometimes I really hate modest >< | 19:32 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: can't you reverse or something? | 19:32 |
| Corsac | hopefully the update won't be too long to arrive | 19:32 |
| * SpeedEvil turns color off. | 19:32 | |
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| PBeck | hi | 19:32 |
| Corsac | I can't even select my INBOX >< | 19:32 |
| RST38h | jn900: ? | 19:33 |
| RST38h | Speed: No, I am only fixing crashes and adjusting config | 19:34 |
| PBeck | i have to reflash my n900 - what is the difference between the images => global, uk, middle east ... and so on? | 19:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | RST38h: k | 19:35 |
| RST38h | Should I make XChat joing #maemo by default? ;))) | 19:36 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: #Ihazn900 | 19:36 |
| RST38h | #n900bies? =) | 19:36 |
| pupnik_ | We should have a 'share photo' plugin for ftp upload | 19:37 |
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| RST38h | should have one for picasa | 19:39 |
| PBeck | i think that global should be the right for germany | 19:39 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: some way to bind nick completion to a more convenient key? | 19:39 |
| PBeck | but i dont know the differences between the images | 19:40 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: can it do it on : ? | 19:40 |
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| RST38h | Speed: Yea, that should be doable, but I need my ? :) | 19:40 |
| * RST38h is going to build this version first, upload it, then watch users' reaction | 19:40 | |
| woglinde | rst build is broken | 19:41 |
| RST38h | Anyone needs exit confirmation in XChat? Or should I turn it off? | 19:41 |
| woglinde | because of the debconf upload | 19:41 |
| RST38h | woglinde: Autobuilder you mean? | 19:41 |
| woglinde | jupp | 19:41 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: I'd like to shrink the height of the input window too. | 19:41 |
| woglinde | ah right you can use dput | 19:41 |
| dmj7261 | lardman: how goes mbarcode development? | 19:41 |
| RST38h | woglinde: I can upload a binary package to non-free for now | 19:41 |
| RST38h | woglinde: X-Fade will kework it once the source package becomes available | 19:42 |
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| RST38h | Speed: Can't shrink input widget height. Can't control its colors either :((( | 19:43 |
| RST38h | Speed: Nokia broke GTK+ badly | 19:43 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 19:43 |
| RST38h | Speed: Right now, I have done the following: | 19:43 |
| RST38h | Speed: 1) Used that MHeig font 2) Set background colro to black, adjusted ANSI black to dark gray | 19:44 |
| SpeedEvil | If you can set the prefs without crashing - I suspect any of those settings don't matter much | 19:44 |
| RST38h | Speed: 3) moved userlist to the left and closed it for now (you can reopen it by dragging the tab) 4) switched channel list to a line of small tabs at the bottom | 19:45 |
| RST38h | Speed: I want the defaults to be reasonable | 19:45 |
| RST38h | Speed: 5) Changed DCC Downlaods dir to Downloads, where Transmission drops files | 19:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I've lost the userlist, and put tabs on left. | 19:45 |
| SpeedEvil | With tree mode set | 19:45 |
| SpeedEvil | which has smaller fonts | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4231783360/ | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | like that | 19:47 |
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| RST38h | Speed: There is a better layout than that | 19:49 |
| RST38h | Speed: BTW, I turned nickname tabulation off: some #maemo regulars have awfully long nicks :) | 19:50 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - I did that as well | 19:50 |
| RST38h | Ah, BTW, no title line? | 19:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I forgot it when I reflashed th9ough | 19:50 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 19:50 |
| RST38h | Sure about it? | 19:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I have no need for it. | 19:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I can see others may want it. | 19:51 |
| RST38h | ok, leaving it | 19:51 |
| RST38h | hint: move channel list to the bottom, use "small" tabs option | 19:51 |
| RST38h | it saves horizontal space and lets you quickly flick through channels with a finger | 19:51 |
| flux | is there a memopad shared-in-realtime-over-network -type program for maemo around? | 19:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | In most channels - with tabulation off - the line length is usually shorter than one complete line. | 19:52 |
| SpeedEvil | meaning that space on the bottom loses more than on the left | 19:52 |
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| lardman | anyone interested in hacking at a Google Latitude update applet?: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=448177#post448177 | 19:53 |
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| RST38h | Speed: the bottom space loss is actually tiny | 19:54 |
| RST38h | Speed: because it only needs to show 1 line of text in tiny font | 19:54 |
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| RST38h | lardman: Arkenoi is a huge fan of Latitude | 19:55 |
| RST38h | lardman: But he is a lazy mo#$%er, so you will have to bug him a lot ;) | 19:55 |
| lardman | me too, hence my posting my half finished code ;) | 19:55 |
| lardman | Arkenoi: consider yourself bugged ;) | 19:56 |
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| lardman | hmm, good to see the autobuilder has finally built (and failed on) gst-zbar | 19:56 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: I take it not doing any kinetic scrolly, just prefs and tuff. | 19:56 |
| lardman | and it's broken | 19:56 |
| RST38h | Speed: I suspect kinetic scrolling is achieavable but would like to start small | 19:57 |
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| n900evil | :) | 20:00 |
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| n900evil | thankwoman | 20:02 |
| n900evil | eerre | 20:02 |
| n900evil | htf is that in the dict. | 20:02 |
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| GAN900 | Is Maemo-Freaks stupid or just malicious? | 20:08 |
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| fnordianslip | they are exclusive? | 20:13 |
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| RST38h | GAN900: stupid. | 20:14 |
| RST38h | haven't you gotten used to it yet? | 20:14 |
| RST38h | "TSA special agents have served subpoenas to travel bloggers Steve Frischling and Chris Elliott demanding that they reveal who leaked a TSA directive outlining new screening measures" | 20:16 |
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| RST38h | BTW, why would a special agent of a non-judicial agency be serving subpoenas? | 20:17 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: BTW, SmartQ just released an android-based V5 | 20:18 |
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| GAN900 | Recommending both Extrad-devel and Red Pill to end users. | 20:20 |
| Milo- | is there optified package of Qt4 and its components? | 20:20 |
| |R | Anyone tried Empathy with the N900 ? | 20:21 |
| |R | (for video chat that is) | 20:21 |
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| Milo- | and why does the phone automatically run apt-get update each time you connect? | 20:23 |
| Milo- | and where can I disable that? | 20:24 |
| |R | you could disable all the catalogs | 20:25 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Well, think of it as of natural selection | 20:28 |
| javispedro | ohmy | 20:31 |
| wolf^ | GAN900, so what? | 20:32 |
| GAN900 | Anybody got callerid passthrough working with NTg HFP? | 20:32 |
| wolf^ | GAN900, if you want to prevent people from hurting themselves, sell them iphones | 20:32 |
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| fnordianslip | Natural selection would work very well if they were stupid and taste good. | 20:32 |
| GAN900 | s/NTg/Bluetooth/ | 20:32 |
| infobot | GAN900 meant: Anybody got callerid passthrough working with Bluetooth HFP? | 20:32 |
| GAN900 | wolf^, I might've bought that with N8x0 and lower | 20:32 |
| GAN900 | wolf^, but the N900 is positioned for a different market. :) | 20:33 |
| wolf^ | step 4 of 5? ;) | 20:33 |
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| wolf^ | it would be nice though, to be able to start kernel with init=/bin/sh | 20:34 |
| GAN900 | wolf^, it's being marketed to mainstream users. | 20:35 |
| wolf^ | GAN900, true mainstream doesn't even know the phone can have extra applications | 20:35 |
| GAN900 | wolf^, psh. | 20:36 |
| lardman|n140 | onion: did you write the gst-dmtx wrapper or was that another onion? | 20:36 |
| jayford | GAN900, (hi), think its not mainstream enough, if the only way to edit the menu is by editing a config file then mainstream users aren't the audience | 20:36 |
| wolf^ | that's what I reckon from looking at non-technical people using symbian phones | 20:36 |
| GAN900 | wolf^, Ovi and Maemo Select are right on the desktop. | 20:36 |
| GAN900 | jayford, er, which menu? | 20:36 |
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| jayford | the main menu | 20:36 |
| wolf^ | GAN900, people that have no clue probably will not use anything else than that to install applications | 20:37 |
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| jayford | I agree, if advanced users can do much more with the device then its not mainstream | 20:38 |
| GAN900 | wolf^, except the people with no clue and too much time on their hands are the ones I worry about. | 20:38 |
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| GAN900 | jayford, er, OK. | 20:38 |
| wolf^ | I can't see typical person that doesn't quite know what's maemo to be going to maemo-freak and reading about red pill mode | 20:38 |
| wolf^ | GAN900, well, you know, gainroot is in extras (or extras-testing) | 20:39 |
| GAN900 | wolf^, this is really outside the scope of the issue. | 20:39 |
| RST38h | Ok, the new XChat uploaded to Extras-Devel non-free | 20:39 |
| wolf^ | if someone has too much time, what prevents him from doing rm -rf /? | 20:39 |
| RST38h | Coming to "free" as soon as Maemo.org fixes its autobuilder. | 20:39 |
| GAN900 | It's a lot more difficult and a lot more obviously dangerous | 20:39 |
| GAN900 | wolf^, Red Pill and Extras-devel can offer you a flashing statusbar icon that'll help you update your way right into a reboot loop. :) | 20:40 |
| Milo- | |R yes I could disable all catalogs, but that's not the point | 20:40 |
| Milo- | I don't see why it should run apt-get update when I start browsing | 20:41 |
| GAN900 | Removing important safety systems and pointing users at the minefield for no other purpose than because "it's cool" is a good way to get people hurt. | 20:41 |
| Milo- | anyone know how to disable apt-get update when network connection is established? | 20:41 |
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| jayford | Milo-, I don't have a clue, but does it do that with 3G connections too? :X | 20:45 |
| Milo- | I only use 3G connections | 20:45 |
| GAN900 | Milo-, connect more than once every 24 hours? | 20:45 |
| Milo- | GAN900 yes | 20:46 |
| jayford | how much bandwith does it take each time? | 20:46 |
| Milo- | bandwidth doesn't matter | 20:46 |
| jayford | wondering for me, think it might kill my bill. ask in the forums | 20:46 |
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| Milo- | I'll grep through /etc first | 20:47 |
| lcuk | Milo-, ummm doesnt apt-get update need a network connection? | 20:48 |
| lcuk | or do you mean pecifically when a mobile connection is in use | 20:48 |
| lcuk | s | 20:48 |
| Milo- | lcuk apt-get update needs network connection, yes | 20:48 |
| Milo- | but when network connection is established, it runs apt-get update every single time | 20:48 |
| Milo- | I don't want apt-get update to be executed every time I open up a browser | 20:48 |
| lcuk | thats understandable | 20:49 |
| jayford | do you see it running? or is it slowing you down or? are you even feeling it? | 20:49 |
| lcuk | its a network cost isnt it on 3g | 20:50 |
| Milo- | few times I have opened my terminal and have tried to search something using apt | 20:50 |
| Milo- | and it's always locked when you have just started the network connection | 20:50 |
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| Milo- | since it's running apt-get update | 20:50 |
| lcuk | i gather its doing it for the ssu and for checking updates | 20:50 |
| lcuk | me didnt know how it did the update stuff | 20:51 |
| lcuk | +// | 20:51 |
| Milo- | and it's very easily noticable when you start the package manager (gui) | 20:51 |
| Milo- | because when you connect, it takes AGES to open up | 20:51 |
| Milo- | since it first updates everything | 20:51 |
| Milo- | I don't think it should update more than once a day to be honest | 20:52 |
| Milo- | if you need to update it more often, do it manually | 20:52 |
| jayford | Milo-, if you find the solution please say/post it/wiki it I'm sure others would want to know | 20:52 |
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| mikhas | file a bug then, "apt updates too often" and wait for feedback, no? | 20:54 |
| Milo- | I'll ask on forums if someone would know | 20:54 |
| mikhas | I agree that more than once a day is probably useless | 20:55 |
| Milo- | of course, maemo.org needs to load first :P | 20:55 |
| mikhas | well, can you somehow log that apt-get update runs the way you described it? | 20:55 |
| Shapeshifter | uhm, when searching a thread, how do I go to the next page of search results? :| | 20:55 |
| Shapeshifter | http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=6046492 | 20:55 |
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| Shapeshifter | oh wait | 20:56 |
| mikhas | that would be good enough for a bug report already, no need to wait for t.m.o =) | 20:56 |
| Shapeshifter | there's no next page. | 20:56 |
| Shapeshifter | nevermind. | 20:56 |
| Shapeshifter | xD | 20:56 |
| wnd | apt* update shouldn't prevent you from running apt-cache | 20:56 |
| Milo- | wnd but if it is regenerating the package list, it isn't reliable source either. | 20:57 |
| Milo- | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30997 | 20:59 |
| Milo- | the thread creator is nice | 20:59 |
| Milo- | it searches for you :) | 20:59 |
| lcuk | benson wins that thread | 21:00 |
| Milo- | yes | 21:01 |
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| wnd | as far as I can see apt-cache doesn't even check for lock. also, strace says aptitude replaces old lists with rename(), effectively making the whole process atomic. | 21:04 |
| wnd | I suspect apt-get does the same | 21:04 |
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| lardman|n140 | happy new year everyone, cu later :) | 21:06 |
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| Milo- | heh, application manager loads much quicker now, except now it wants to check for updates every single time you open the 'download' section | 21:07 |
| Milo- | even though if you go back and forth with it | 21:08 |
| Milo- | guess I can manually stop the update :) | 21:08 |
| RST38h | what do you mean by "now"? | 21:08 |
| Milo- | it did that before? | 21:09 |
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| Milo- | no it definitely didn't run the update command everytime you went backwards from sub-category | 21:09 |
| RST38h | YEAAAH! Xchat is in the extras-devel now! | 21:10 |
| RST38h | Could all interested parties please download and test it? Make sure your delete your current ~/.xchat2 dir | 21:11 |
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| Milo- | are libqt4-maemo5-* packages optified? | 21:14 |
| wolf^ | Milo-, yes | 21:15 |
| Milo- | ok :) | 21:15 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: clicked update in app-manager | 21:16 |
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| RST38h | ahha, they are coming! | 21:25 |
| user_ | sddfrrrkkrif | 21:25 |
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| Milo- | yet another un-optified package from dev :( | 21:27 |
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| AndrewBlack | anyone tried IRC addon for Maemo Built in messanger? | 21:30 |
| RST38h | I did | 21:30 |
| RST38h | It works for /msgs | 21:30 |
| RST38h | Develops some problems connecting after a while | 21:31 |
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| AndrewBlack | does person on real client have to start the message? | 21:31 |
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| RST38h | yep | 21:34 |
| RST38h | wait, no, actually, you can start sending messages from the plugin | 21:34 |
| RST38h | There are suggestions now that one solution to detect passengers with underwear bombs might be bomb sniffing dogs. Will the crotch sniffing dog become a (dreaded) fixture at airports? And can dogs be trained to go gentle when they eagerly plow their noses into crotch content evaluation chores? | 21:34 |
| RST38h | How adorable... | 21:34 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, depending on the subject the results could be quite informative to the rest of the ummmm security community, hope they keep the videos. | 21:45 |
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| Milo- | why don't they just hire attractive people to go through everyone's 'privates'? | 21:47 |
| Milo- | the checked people wouldn't mind the safety checks then | 21:47 |
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| LuciusMare | ohai | 21:48 |
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| fnordianslip | if they use 73 virgins, the terrists will think they have died and gone on to the afterlife | 21:48 |
| LuciusMare | my n900 has my home wifi stored in its memory,but the AP is hidden - so it shows only as a hidden network,not "home-wifi". How do i manually check what wifi to try? | 21:48 |
| Milo- | fnordianslip I thought it was 72 | 21:49 |
| fnordianslip | one might not be a virgin | 21:49 |
| fnordianslip | perhaps | 21:49 |
| lcuk | LuciusMare, eh the question doesnt make sense | 21:49 |
| Milo- | unless you count the terrorist to be virgin as well | 21:49 |
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| fnordianslip | well, they're usually engineers, so that is quite likely | 21:50 |
| lcuk | be careful what you wish for, there are a lot of virgins out there | 21:50 |
| fnordianslip | the definition of a virgin in Norfolk - a girl who can run faster than her dad :) | 21:51 |
| LuciusMare | my n900 has my home wifi stored in its memory,but the AP is hidden - so it shows only as a hidden network,not "home-wifi". How do i manually tell the phone what wifi AP to try? | 21:51 |
| Bluewind | LuciusMare: asking the same thing 2 mins later won't help btw | 21:51 |
| LuciusMare | i tried to make it more sense | 21:52 |
| LuciusMare | i understand it :) | 21:52 |
| tekonivelm | Should gnomevfs-copy work over bluetooth? I haven't succeeded | 21:52 |
| Bluewind | hm to me it looks like the same line but ok | 21:53 |
| lcuk | LuciusMare, on mine it just connects to one of the configured aps | 21:53 |
| LuciusMare | lcuk: yes,but i can't,because even if it is configured,it does not show in the menu. | 21:53 |
| lcuk | i just looked round to see if there is a priority list | 21:53 |
| * lcuk failed | 21:53 | |
| lcuk | but i did find my 10ma 100ma switch | 21:53 |
| tekonivelm | I should propably have something more in /usr/lib/gnomevfs/modules or whatever | 21:55 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: I am all expecting the first "police dog bites off passenger's penis" video on Youtube | 22:02 |
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| Milo- | with before and after photoes? | 22:04 |
| Milo- | photos* | 22:04 |
| tlir | lo everyone | 22:04 |
| RST38h | TSA obviously films all this stuff, just in case someone sues | 22:04 |
| RST38h | So, I fully expect a complete video | 22:05 |
| tlir | what are the news regarding n810 owners with the new release of n900? | 22:07 |
| tlir | or n9xx | 22:07 |
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| lcuk | tlir, theres rumblings that the powervr driver may be forthcoming | 22:08 |
| lcuk | RST38h, :S "chopper, sick balls" | 22:08 |
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| tlir | excuse me ignorance, I've been a bit out of the community | 22:09 |
| tlir | does it mean we can upgrade from os2008 to maemo5? | 22:09 |
| lcuk | no | 22:09 |
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| tlir | lcuk: uhh, does the release of maemo5/n9xx provide anything to owners of the n8xx series? | 22:10 |
| RST38bis | phone? | 22:10 |
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| tlir | RST38bis: phone? how's that? we don't have the gsm radio on n8xx :-) | 22:10 |
| RST38h | exactly, so that is what maemo5/n9xx provides for you | 22:11 |
| lcuk | 32gb of storage | 22:11 |
| lcuk | 48 actually | 22:11 |
| lcuk | space for | 22:11 |
| RST38h | decent keybord | 22:11 |
| lcuk | great camera | 22:11 |
| RST38h | naah, camera still sucks | 22:12 |
| RST38h | better gps | 22:12 |
| lcuk | not from where im standing | 22:12 |
| tlir | I'm asking a different question. I'm not asking what is new in the N9xx, I'm asking, as an owner of the N810, does the release of the N9xx provide anything I can use on the N8xx. | 22:12 |
| RST38h | accelerometer | 22:12 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Well, anywhere but in .AU, it sucks. | 22:12 |
| lcuk | tlir, powervr drivers | 22:12 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, its great here | 22:12 |
| tlir | for example, some good pim program that they released in maemo5 which we can all use | 22:12 |
| RST38h | tlir: No. Should it? | 22:12 |
| lcuk | i use it every day | 22:12 |
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| lcuk | and now i have proper system thumbnail support | 22:12 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I thought you had clouds and rain daily? | 22:13 |
| lcuk | its even betterererer | 22:13 |
| lcuk | we do | 22:13 |
| lcuk | macro zoom is ideal | 22:13 |
| lcuk | videos recordwell | 22:13 |
| RST38h | N900 camera does reeeeally badly in cloudy weather | 22:13 |
| RST38h | And forget about using it in the dark =( | 22:13 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q | 22:13 |
| lcuk | thats in the dark | 22:13 |
| * RST38h walked around the city center, shooting christmas trees. I can show the results, just to prove that the camera sucks. | 22:14 | |
| lcuk | the first shots i ever took with it were in the dark | 22:14 |
| tlir | lcuk: are those the video drivers? | 22:14 |
| lcuk | and they worked better than any other phone camera ive ever used | 22:14 |
| lcuk | RST38h, bad camera or bad cameraman :p | 22:14 |
| * lcuk has 2x resolution for videos now and they look great | 22:15 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: Well, the subject was pretty limited, so cameraman can be well excluded from the equation | 22:15 |
| N900evil | rst, it's not bad for a phone camera. | 22:15 |
| RST38h | for a phone camera, yes | 22:15 |
| RST38h | that is the problem | 22:15 |
| N900evil | red, but... | 22:15 |
| lcuk | anyway, guests here | 22:16 |
| N900evil | rsalveti, I wish upgrading cam were simple :) | 22:16 |
| lcuk | happy new year maemo \o/ hope this next one is great for everyone | 22:16 |
| N900evil | lcuk, wave.! | 22:16 |
| blizzow | I just got my N900. What are some "must haves"? | 22:17 |
| N900evil | blizz: fingerless love. | 22:18 |
| N900evil | gloves | 22:18 |
| N900evil | xchat | 22:18 |
| N900evil | fbreader | 22:18 |
| viggi | fingerless love | 22:19 |
| viggi | :| | 22:19 |
| N900evil | flashlight, simple brightness applet, load-meter | 22:20 |
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| AndrewBlack | blizzow, Maemo.org Theme its the best | 22:22 |
| LuciusMare | xchat? | 22:25 |
| LuciusMare | xchat is buggy | 22:25 |
| LuciusMare | irssi | 22:25 |
| Mousey | xchat is buggy? | 22:26 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | xchat is only bugger if you're not l33t enough to edit the config files in vim | 22:26 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | errr... buggy! | 22:26 |
| Mousey | editing files in vim does not make one l33t. | 22:27 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Yes it does | 22:27 |
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| Mousey | basically competent maybe, but hardly l33t | 22:27 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | You're just jealous because you can't hack the terminal with your l33t keyboard skillz | 22:27 |
| Mousey | vi hasn't been l33t since the 80's | 22:27 |
| LuciusMare | <Mousey> vi hasn't been l33t since ever | 22:28 |
| LuciusMare | fix'd | 22:28 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | *LALALALLALALA* you're in denial *LALALALLALALA* I can't hear you *LALALALAL* It's SO l33t! *LALALA* | 22:28 |
| Mousey | LuciusMare: lol | 22:28 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | gedit is more l33t | 22:28 |
| Mousey | kate is l33t | 22:29 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | gedit & - vi for people with computers built this century | 22:29 |
| Mousey | <Gadgetoid_mbp> gedit & - vim for people with computers built this century | 22:29 |
| Mousey | fix'd | 22:29 |
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| LuciusMare | gedit? :o | 22:29 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Hahaha | 22:30 |
| LuciusMare | everything that is on gtk just sx | 22:30 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | gedit, gedit, haha! | 22:30 |
| LuciusMare | though they made a good job while creating the fremantle gui | 22:30 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | *LAALALALALALALA* | 22:30 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Just because gnomes are short | 22:30 |
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| RST38h | BTW, irssi package is broken | 22:30 |
| ml-N900 | mm, xchat still needs work | 22:31 |
| RST38h | I mean the irssi package in the repo of course | 22:31 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | xchat needs a lot of work | 22:31 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | But meh, it works! | 22:31 |
| ml-N900 | well | 22:31 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | no worse than irssi if you configure it properly | 22:31 |
| ml-N900 | it crashes whenever I change and save settings | 22:31 |
| N900evil | backlight pwm freq is too low | 22:31 |
| RST38h | ml-n900: not any more | 22:32 |
| N900evil | ml-, update | 22:32 |
| RST38h | Once again: Update XChat to the latets version from Extras-Devel | 22:32 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Update? aww, takes all the fun out of it | 22:32 |
| ml-N900 | hmm, I guess the update only bothered to do mplayer | 22:32 |
| ml-N900 | brb | 22:32 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Digital photoframes suck | 22:33 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | No AAC support, blaaaaah | 22:33 |
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| red | damn its irritating that every sentence that has letters red, like "registered" | 22:35 |
| red | turns into hilight by irssi | 22:35 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | use xchat | 22:35 |
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| red | even if i set red to be hilight as a nick | 22:35 |
| ml-N900 | there we go | 22:36 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | red red red red! | 22:36 |
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| red | dno, used irssi for 9 years | 22:36 |
| ml-N900 | yay, no crash | 22:36 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | red: it doesn't flash the LED or anything, so it can't be THAT irritating | 22:36 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Just change your nick to red_ | 22:36 |
| red | is xchat anything alike? | 22:36 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | About ten million times heavier, and it'll ejaculate gui all over your screen | 22:37 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | But whilst CTRL+Enter still makes it full screen, it's edging out irssi for best use of screen real estate | 22:38 |
| red | and most importantly, does it behave the same way reg4ding hilight? | 22:38 |
| red | hm | 22:38 |
| red | u cant disable gui? since thats not really that useful | 22:38 |
| red | oh well, guess ill finally give it a go after new year | 22:39 |
| red | ..and happy new year to aöö! | 22:39 |
| red | all* | 22:39 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Aye aye happy new year! | 22:41 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I wish App Mgr would show a changelog | 22:41 |
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| N900evil | there is a repository watch program | 22:42 |
| GAN900 | Gadgetoid_mbp, blame package maintainers. | 22:42 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | GAN900: I do, the dirty scoundrels | 22:42 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I guess it's so early in the devel stage of N900 apps, they mostly don't care | 22:43 |
| N900evil | appwatch | 22:43 |
| N900evil | unsure what it does | 22:43 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Cheers N900evil, will give it a try | 22:43 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | it might be useful | 22:43 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Although I think it just checks for new additions, iirc | 22:43 |
| N900evil | duno | 22:44 |
| jebba | GAN900: why blame package maintainers? I do a changelog but no updates show up in App Mgr | 22:44 |
| jello69 | changelogs must be machine parsable | 22:45 |
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| jebba | uh, in what sense? debian/changelog is parseable i suppose, no? | 22:48 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | reet time to get some shuteye, or at least stop staring at glarey big laptop screen | 22:52 |
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| RST38h | HNY everybody | 23:06 |
| N900evil | 2h55M here | 23:06 |
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| jello69 | happy new year RST38h and thanks for the fun | 23:09 |
| N900evil | hmm | 23:09 |
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| * N900evil wonders about laser engraving keymats. | 23:10 | |
| ifreq | keymats? | 23:10 |
| N900evil | the keytops | 23:10 |
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| Bluewind | any ideas why my devices reboots when i run "ffmpeg -f video4linux2 -s 320x240 -i /dev/video0 test.mpeg"? | 23:11 |
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| Bluewind | (n900) | 23:11 |
| N900evil | bl, do you have the shutter open? | 23:12 |
| Bluewind | yes | 23:12 |
| N900evil | does video1 work | 23:12 |
| N900evil | or mplayer | 23:13 |
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| Bluewind | mplayer works fine | 23:13 |
| Bluewind | ffmpeg with video1 seems to work too | 23:13 |
| N900evil | mplayer tv:// -tv device... | 23:13 |
| N900evil | with the same size? | 23:13 |
| Bluewind | yes | 23:13 |
| Bluewind | doesn't seem to record something though | 23:14 |
| jebba | Bluewind: is video0 the front camera or the good back camera? | 23:14 |
| N900evil | the video path is a native kernel nokia driver | 23:14 |
| Bluewind | jebba: 0 ist good back 1 is bad front | 23:14 |
| N900evil | not well tested. | 23:14 |
| N900evil | maybe | 23:14 |
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| Proteous | fmpeg -f video4linux2 -s 320x240 -i /dev/video0 text.mpeg; shutdown -r now | 23:18 |
| Proteous | just remove that last part | 23:18 |
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| N900evil | mpncoder tv:// -tv height=320:width=320:fps=5 -nosound -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=444 -o test.avi -endpos 10 | 23:20 |
| Bluewind | ok 320x240 crashes 640x480 works | 23:20 |
| Bluewind | with ffmpeg | 23:20 |
| Bluewind | ah nope used video1 | 23:20 |
| jebba | Bluewind: are you using the ffmpeg packages in extras-devel? | 23:21 |
| Bluewind | N900evil: gonna try | 23:21 |
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| LuciusMare | hi | 23:21 |
| Bluewind | jebba: just did apt-get install ffmpeg | 23:22 |
| Bluewind | no idea what it installed | 23:22 |
| LuciusMare | so again,i have the settings for my home wifi AP saved as home-wifi. But i am there,and the saved settings does not show,it shows just as a hidden network - the AP is hidden (the ssid is hidden) | 23:22 |
| Caesium | when setting it up you ticked "Network is hidden" ? | 23:23 |
| Caesium | because mine is also, and it's working ok. | 23:23 |
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| LuciusMare | it wokred well untill now | 23:25 |
| LuciusMare | and yes,its ticked | 23:25 |
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| Bluewind | N900evil: works thx | 23:26 |
| LuciusMare | hm,the SSID is a weird bunch of characters (?) | 23:26 |
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| jebba | Bluewind: ok, i built that package. I really havent looked at it much though. | 23:27 |
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| charkins | I'm playing with the SDK and many strings for framework widgets are displaying things like "wdgt_va_24h_time" instead of the intended text. I assume that I messed up something with translations, but can't seem to figure it out. Anyone know what the problem might be and how I might go about fixing it? | 23:29 |
| LuciusMare | CRAP | 23:30 |
| * LuciusMare faints | 23:30 | |
| LuciusMare | i didnt remember i renamed the network | 23:30 |
| Caesium | haha :) | 23:30 |
| Caesium | well, glad you worked it out :) | 23:30 |
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| LuciusMare | heh,it stopped blinking | 23:32 |
| LuciusMare | i am not sure if it connected or my tablet froze | 23:32 |
| LuciusMare | ^^ | 23:33 |
| LuciusMare | it connected | 23:33 |
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| charkins | hmm, an apt-get update/upgrade seems to have fixed missing translations on widgets | 23:38 |
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| RST38h | Harmattan device picture leaked!!! | 23:38 |
| RST38h | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/12/091230-bphone-02.jpg | 23:38 |
| woglinde | rst lol | 23:38 |
| LuciusMare | woo | 23:38 |
| LuciusMare | what is that? | 23:38 |
| RST38h | yes? what? =) | 23:39 |
| LuciusMare | it looks like a borken tablet pc | 23:39 |
| jebba | that thing rules | 23:39 |
| jebba | just needs wheels | 23:39 |
| LuciusMare | exactly :D | 23:39 |
| LuciusMare | woah | 23:40 |
| LuciusMare | is 80% filled of rootfs a lot? | 23:40 |
| RST38h | no | 23:40 |
| LuciusMare | bluemaemo just took 8 % :/ | 23:41 |
| jebba | i wish i was at 80%.... i'm always around 96% to 100% | 23:41 |
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| LuciusMare | :O | 23:41 |
| LuciusMare | wait,that is the boundary of brick,isnt it? | 23:42 |
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| LuciusMare | heh | 23:45 |
| LuciusMare | bluemaemo lacks hw kzb support badlz | 23:45 |
| bib | Is it possible to add a keyboard under bluetooth on N900? | 23:45 |
| LuciusMare | controling the n900? | 23:46 |
| bib | yes | 23:47 |
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| LuciusMare | i think so | 23:47 |
| LuciusMare | jebba | 23:47 |
| bib | on pidgin with for example? | 23:47 |
| LuciusMare | why arent you bricked already? | 23:48 |
| bib | Jebba is an application? | 23:48 |
| LuciusMare | no,jebba is a man | 23:48 |
| LuciusMare | i am talking to him | 23:48 |
| jebba | LuciusMare: i just make sure i got some space before i reboot | 23:49 |
| bib | ok I am French, not easy here lol | 23:49 |
| LuciusMare | jebba: usually,i dont want to reboot.it happens by itself | 23:49 |
| LuciusMare | i want to have a nice uptime | 23:49 |
| LuciusMare | so,what is the boundary of brick? | 23:49 |
| Proteous | so zen | 23:50 |
| jebba | not sure, but if it's 100% full you fooo | 23:50 |
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| type_t | # bounday of a brick is when you cant $ su on busybox | 23:58 |
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| woglinde | jo ali | 23:59 |
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