| crashanddie_mbp | timeless_mbp: plus | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| RST38h | Arkenoi: But there is a good chance these can be found at Savelka | 00:00 |
| javispedro | RST38h: can't wait to test it :) | 00:00 |
| timeless_mbp | spider solitaire was similar | 00:00 |
| RST38h | javis: I wanted to ask you to take care of passing it through autobuilder | 00:00 |
| Dantonic | hey is it normal for the quality of sound from the FM transmitter to be not so good compared to a regular fm radio station? | 00:00 |
| timeless_mbp | plus! for windows 98 | 00:00 |
| Dantonic | or not as good I should say | 00:00 |
| RST38h | javis: I will do all the packaging | 00:00 |
| javispedro | RST38h: send me the source and what you want to appear on maintainer line and I'll take care of it | 00:00 |
| * Arkenoi *suddenly* spent last night out of the home and ran out of the battery at the morning, for sure | 00:00 | |
| crashanddie_mbp | Dantonic: you're lucky if you can receive anything at all | 00:00 |
| javispedro | RST38h: ah, you'll take care of packaging, even better. | 00:01 |
| Dantonic | crashanddie_mbp, oh? | 00:01 |
| *** BBNS_ has joined #maemo | 00:01 | |
| RST38h | javis: It is 29MB of code and data, with some crufty makefiles | 00:01 |
| crashanddie_mbp | Dantonic: tried on 4 different cars, didn't work on either | 00:01 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, roughly ms added about 1 game per version | 00:01 |
| javispedro | 29MiB!! | 00:01 |
| RST38h | mhm maemo.org/packages does not load | 00:01 |
| timeless_mbp | with most games first available in plus packs | 00:01 |
| *** myosound has joined #maemo | 00:01 | |
| Arkenoi | did not have a charger or cable with me, as i did not expect that | 00:01 |
| Dantonic | crashanddie_mbp, then it's pretty much useless really... I mean how much power does it need to send out a decent short range FM signal? | 00:01 |
| RST38h | javis: Includes some ogg sounds, they do not play of course | 00:01 |
| crashanddie_mbp | Dantonic: the antenna is more likely to be the issue | 00:02 |
| javispedro | ah | 00:02 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 00:02 | |
| *** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS | 00:02 | |
| Dantonic | hmm | 00:02 |
| * javispedro doesn't know why Modest mail account setup for gmail defaults to IMAP | 00:02 | |
| crashanddie_mbp | Dantonic: you can put a 5MW transmitter connected to a hairpin, you're not going to reach the end of the block | 00:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Dantonic: regulatory issues. | 00:02 |
| RST38h | you do not want pop3, really | 00:02 |
| Dantonic | crashanddie_mbp, btw I've found that I get a better signal on higher frequencies maybe around 97-102FM | 00:02 |
| *** alextreme has joined #maemo | 00:03 | |
| SpeedEvil | Dantonic: the globallegal maximum is _tiny_ | 00:03 |
| RST38h | modest pop3 is broken | 00:03 |
| *** eightace has joined #maemo | 00:03 | |
| javispedro | RST38h: I've been using pop3 on my n810 for ages | 00:03 |
| Dantonic | SpeedEvil, ah I see | 00:03 |
| javispedro | RST38h: did they break it even more in fremantle? | 00:03 |
| SpeedEvil | modest pop is also broken for me | 00:03 |
| RST38h | javis: they just never fixed it | 00:03 |
| javispedro | i see this thing will need quite a bit of work to make it usable =) | 00:03 |
| Dantonic | crashanddie_mbp, SpeedEvil, well it's definitely much worse than a regular FM signal... so much that I wouldn't bother with it unless I absolutely had to. | 00:03 |
| SpeedEvil | What is the manner of the breakage - and is there a workaround? | 00:03 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: all things considered | 00:03 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd expect that imap w/ gmail is painful | 00:04 |
| RST38h | pop3 basically hangs after a few checks and can only be fixed with reboot (or killing modest) | 00:04 |
| timeless_mbp | we don't support idle | 00:04 |
| timeless_mbp | so w/ pop you should just get "new" messages | 00:04 |
| timeless_mbp | whereas w/ imap we should check the whole index | 00:04 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless; oh - not that - it simply says 'wrong password' | 00:04 |
| timeless_mbp | not sure if this actually works | 00:04 |
| RST38h | What is NOT painful with modest? | 00:04 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: eh? | 00:04 |
| RST38h | POP3 does not work. | 00:04 |
| * Arkenoi needs 103.0 MHz | 00:04 | |
| crashanddie_mbp | Dantonic: mini jack + line in uses less power and is more reliable | 00:04 |
| *** ramo102 has quit IRC | 00:05 | |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: I setup my login details, I attempt to connect, and it says wrong password. | 00:05 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, pop3 worked for me | 00:05 |
| javispedro | I actually like pop3, I have been deleting older messages in my n810 for a year now | 00:05 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: hrm, is it using tls? | 00:05 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: let it run for a while | 00:05 |
| javispedro | gmail uses ssl | 00:05 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, kept it running for a couple of days | 00:05 |
| javispedro | not tls afaik | 00:05 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: tcpdump shows it - sometimes - when it doesn't just say 'CAPA, then quit before getting a response - sending the correct username and password, then quitting | 00:05 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: komkon? | 00:06 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: i think you're supposed to use tls | 00:06 |
| timeless_mbp | if you can see CAPA, then it isn't doing TLS | 00:06 |
| Dantonic | crashanddie_mbp, well yes, that's how I use it in my car atm... it sounds wonderfully | 00:06 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: well - yes - but the server doesn't support TLS | 00:06 |
| Dantonic | wonderful* | 00:06 |
| Dantonic | :P | 00:06 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=13287 | 00:06 |
| divinegod | what is the most optimal format to encode video and audio in for best viewing experience on the n900? | 00:06 |
| timeless_mbp | Incoming Mail (POP3) Server - requires SSL: pop.gmail.com | 00:06 |
| timeless_mbp | Use SSL: Yes | 00:06 |
| timeless_mbp | Port: 995 | 00:06 |
| javispedro | as I said, gmail uses sll. | 00:07 |
| javispedro | *ssl | 00:07 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry, ssl, not tls | 00:07 |
| pwnguin | divinegod: uncompressed avi at 800x480 | 00:07 |
| javispedro | I've just set it up on modest | 00:07 |
| javispedro | and it worked | 00:07 |
| RST38h | wow, speccy is up to 7 votes | 00:07 |
| javispedro | RST38h: how much I'll have to wait until my brand new loaned n900 grins to a halt under the pressure of modest having to check a POP3 account? =) | 00:07 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, nope, nwgsm.ru (komkon still alive? wow, i wonder if ethereal is, also) | 00:08 |
| divinegod | pwnguin: and for a compressed format? I don't think I'll be able to get uncompressed avi over the web. | 00:08 |
| RST38h | javis: Takes me a day | 00:08 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: ethereal is alive | 00:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't think uncompressed is actually best | 00:08 |
| *** jebba900 has quit IRC | 00:08 | |
| *** jebba900 has joined #maemo | 00:08 | |
| pwnguin | just buy a very very big sdhc ;) | 00:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I would start out at 400*240 | 00:08 |
| SpeedEvil | and a couple of megabits mpeg4. | 00:09 |
| divinegod | I could get a lot of sdhcs and then mail that to the users.. | 00:09 |
| * Arkenoi plays with meizu m8 (winCE6.0). could be a nice thing if they haven't try to mimick iphone closely | 00:10 | |
| divinegod | that must be the most sensible thing to do | 00:10 |
| RST38h | meizu still exists? | 00:10 |
| Arkenoi | yep | 00:10 |
| pwnguin | divinegod: the things to identify are the bandwidth available and the cpu available | 00:10 |
| homeasvs_ | derf, so, building inside a chroot on the phone seems to be working, fingers crossed | 00:10 |
| divinegod | pwnguin: and the capabilities of the dsp perhaps? | 00:11 |
| pwnguin | i guess that too | 00:11 |
| Arkenoi | actually it is not a smartphone, more a slim mediaplayer with native dvd resolution and gsm module | 00:11 |
| Arkenoi | wifi is almost broken | 00:11 |
| RST38h | "KDE SC 4.4 Beta 1 has introduced tabbed windows as a new feature. It is now possible to tab together windows from different applications. This looks like it will be a very good productivity tool." | 00:11 |
| RST38h | "KDE invents screen" | 00:11 |
| pwnguin | if you're trying to optimize for experience, the less compression the better | 00:12 |
| Arkenoi | will blog a mini-review soon | 00:12 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: cool | 00:12 |
| Zeddeh | so, how exactly would one sync the n900 calendar with google calendar? :) | 00:12 |
| pwnguin | but it sounds like you want to know how much compute is available to decompress | 00:13 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 00:13 | |
| divinegod | it would be good if the video decoding could be offloaded to the dsp. I had an mp4 with HighProfile h264 video.. mediaplayer didn't like that | 00:13 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 00:13 | |
| Arkenoi | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35594&page=4 <- said to work this way, haven't tried yet | 00:13 |
| timeless_mbp | divinegod: eh | 00:13 |
| timeless_mbp | you're sure that video decoding is never offloaded? | 00:13 |
| timeless_mbp | iirc the problem we had was that the dsp stuff we got had support for a really useless profile of mp4 | 00:14 |
| timeless_mbp | you're welcome to pay someone for a better dsp impl | 00:14 |
| timeless_mbp | good luck w/ that | 00:14 |
| crashanddie_mbp | I love how on tmo the plural of "anecdote" is "statistical proof" | 00:14 |
| divinegod | timeless_mbp: it is. But the video file I have is not encoded in a compatible format, I created bug 6635, which is now resolved wontfix. | 00:14 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6635 OpenMax returns error when trying to play an mp4 file with h264 video | 00:14 |
| pwnguin | is the dsp documentation available? | 00:14 |
| timeless_mbp | (oh, and iirc the dsp impl was also buggy) | 00:14 |
| Shapeshifter | mhh, skype on the n900, is it done using the telepathy backend? >.> | 00:14 |
| andre__ | detective, three days ago? which product do you refer to? | 00:14 |
| Shapeshifter | that would be a surprise. | 00:14 |
| javispedro | Shapeshifter: seems so! | 00:14 |
| javispedro | it's integrated with the dialer app | 00:15 |
| woglinde | pwnguin hm not all | 00:15 |
| timeless_mbp | divinegod: do us a favor | 00:15 |
| woglinde | pwnguin read here -> http://www.schleef.org/blog/2009/11/11/theora-on-ti-c64x-dsp-and-omap3/ | 00:15 |
| timeless_mbp | don't say "i wish the system would do something" | 00:15 |
| timeless_mbp | when you know that for some definition of _something_, the system in fact does it | 00:15 |
| timeless_mbp | you're basically lying | 00:16 |
| timeless_mbp | which is really rude | 00:16 |
| divinegod | I beg your pardon. | 00:16 |
| *** Flyser has quit IRC | 00:16 | |
| timeless_mbp | if you want to wish that it would support video decoding of highprofile, that's fie | 00:16 |
| Shapeshifter | mhh nah telepathy is still using skype in the background | 00:16 |
| timeless_mbp | but claiming that it doesn't at all, which is what you did | 00:16 |
| crashanddie_mbp | divinegod: I think I speak for the majority of us: shut the fuck up | 00:16 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 00:16 | |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 00:16 | |
| felipec | divinegod: that's not MPEG-4, that's H.264 | 00:17 |
| divinegod | oh my. | 00:17 |
| crashanddie_mbp | divinegod: (that's a joke, by the way) | 00:17 |
| code177 | fyi you guys | 00:17 |
| woglinde | huhu felipec | 00:17 |
| pwnguin | timeless_mbp: so it looks like i can't just pay "someone" to program the DSP | 00:17 |
| code177 | i managed to get (at expense) an n900 at the santa clara event | 00:17 |
| crashanddie_mbp | pwnguin: why not? | 00:17 |
| code177 | and it's everything i ever dreamed of | 00:17 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 00:17 | |
| *** eightace has left #maemo | 00:17 | |
| code177 | so ignore the haters lol | 00:17 |
| timeless_mbp | pwnguin: sure you can | 00:17 |
| pwnguin | crashanddie_mbp: because the documentation isn't available? | 00:17 |
| timeless_mbp | you have your choice of ARM and TI | 00:18 |
| *** hrw is now known as hrw|gone | 00:18 | |
| felipec | pwnguin: or bug TI to provide a decent DSP compiler that can compile FFmpeg? | 00:18 |
| pwnguin | heh | 00:18 |
| crashanddie_mbp | pwnguin: eh? | 00:18 |
| timeless_mbp | and probably 3 other companies in the world | 00:18 |
| timeless_mbp | i didn't say "pay anyone" | 00:18 |
| *** konttori has joined #maemo | 00:18 | |
| andre__ | code177, nice to hear that you're happy with it :) | 00:19 |
| crashanddie_mbp | nice to hear someone.... finally | 00:19 |
| *** bergie has quit IRC | 00:19 | |
| *** gomiam has joined #maemo | 00:19 | |
| felipec | crashanddie_mbp: pwnguin: there's plenty of documentation how to program the DSP | 00:19 |
| crashanddie_mbp | felipec: did I ever say the contrary? | 00:20 |
| *** zs_ has quit IRC | 00:20 | |
| pwnguin | "The DSP on the OMAP3 is even more compelling for video decoding because attached to the DSP are several units that accelerate motion vector copying, VLC decoding, and loop deblocking. Unfortunately, these pieces are not publicly documented by TI, so the current Theora port (which is open source) is unable to use them." | 00:20 |
| felipec | crashanddie_mbp: did I say you did? | 00:20 |
| *** hannesw has quit IRC | 00:20 | |
| crashanddie_mbp | felipec: point taken | 00:20 |
| crashanddie_mbp | pwnguin: that doesn't mean the DSP as a whole isn't documented | 00:21 |
| *** Chriux has joined #maemo | 00:21 | |
| crashanddie_mbp | pwnguin: when you learn to drive a car, you don't learn how to make tyres, yet you can still drive a car, right? | 00:21 |
| felipec | pwnguin: that's true, but the DSP part alone is quite powerful | 00:22 |
| timeless_mbp | pwnguin: is http://pixhawk.ethz.ch/wiki/omap/dsp relevant? | 00:22 |
| pwnguin | crashanddie_mbp: its more like trying to drive without tires | 00:22 |
| felipec | pwnguin: TI's MPEG-4 decoder for example is not using the hardware accelerator | 00:22 |
| pwnguin | timeless_mbp: assuming that's whats' in the n900, it's a goo dstart | 00:22 |
| *** konttori has quit IRC | 00:22 | |
| timeless_mbp | pwnguin: please don't assume i'd recognize one chip from a piece of burnt silicon | 00:23 |
| *** eton has joined #maemo | 00:23 | |
| *** Chriux has left #maemo | 00:23 | |
| Arkenoi | funny, there are quite decent applications for text note taking and for sketches but not for combined :-( | 00:23 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie_mbp: speaking of which, how do brits spell the area in CA around Palo Alto/Mountain View/Santa Clara/Standford? | 00:23 |
| felipec | pwnguin: we measured the performance of the DSP Theora decoder, and it wasn't using the DSP fully, so the bottleneck is something else | 00:23 |
| timeless_mbp | Arkenoi: MaemoPad+ ? | 00:23 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Maemopad+ | 00:23 |
| Arkenoi | will try | 00:23 |
| crashanddie_mbp | timeless_mbp: like where I'm at? | 00:24 |
| timeless_mbp | sure | 00:24 |
| woglinde | felipec hm | 00:24 |
| crashanddie_mbp | timeless_mbp: at the moment, I just say "Around the US office" | 00:24 |
| RST38h | Ok. Sleep. | 00:24 |
| woglinde | nite rst | 00:24 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie_mbp: _____ valley | 00:24 |
| crashanddie_mbp | dunno | 00:24 |
| crashanddie_mbp | I don't speak to people, i just talk to myself | 00:24 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm reading a book written in british english | 00:24 |
| timeless_mbp | and their spelling of that word irks me | 00:24 |
| timeless_mbp | (i can tolerate the other abuses) | 00:25 |
| kynky | lol | 00:25 |
| crashanddie_mbp | oh, silicon? | 00:25 |
| pwnguin | how do you misspell that? | 00:25 |
| ashenburger | silicone? :p | 00:25 |
| timeless_mbp | the same way you misspell potato? | 00:25 |
| fnordianslippers | fetus? | 00:25 |
| crashanddie_mbp | silicon is made from silicone | 00:25 |
| crashanddie_mbp | but they are not the same thing | 00:25 |
| ashenburger | to be fair, he only asked how to misspel. job well done imo :) | 00:26 |
| kynky | isnt silicon an element ? | 00:26 |
| pwnguin | mipsel! | 00:26 |
| ashenburger | oh the irony | 00:26 |
| ashenburger | misspell* | 00:26 |
| *** IcanCU has quit IRC | 00:26 | |
| timeless_mbp | ashenburger: it's great word to botch | 00:26 |
| timeless_mbp | along w/ spelling and grammer [sic] | 00:27 |
| pwnguin | spelling? | 00:27 |
| pillar | what was it that I need to do to get network working in scratchbox? I saw somewhere some guide for it, but can't find it now | 00:27 |
| *** detective has quit IRC | 00:27 | |
| felipec | pillar: search for resolv.conf | 00:27 |
| timeless_mbp | so, according to this, silcone valley is the san fernando valley (after breast implants) | 00:28 |
| crashanddie_mbp | timeless_mbp: if they used silicone valley, they're talking about LA -- for all the implants | 00:28 |
| timeless_mbp | but given the context which was technology | 00:28 |
| timeless_mbp | that means a translator fscked up | 00:28 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 00:28 | |
| timeless_mbp | idiots++ | 00:28 |
| kynky | not the first time then | 00:28 |
| timeless_mbp | most localizers should be shot | 00:28 |
| timeless_mbp | (i say this as a localizer of the n8x0 and n900) | 00:29 |
| pwnguin | almost as bad as their pronounciation of Aluminum | 00:29 |
| javispedro | either the battery meter is much improved, or the battery life is really awful on this thing. | 00:29 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 00:29 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd bet on the latter :) | 00:29 |
| timeless_mbp | it sounds much safer | 00:29 |
| * javispedro would too. then sigh. | 00:29 | |
| ashenburger | it drains pretty fast | 00:29 |
| pillar | felipec yes found something, trying that, thanks | 00:29 |
| kynky | pwnguin, was thinking of al-u-min-e-um thing too | 00:30 |
| pwnguin | how what exactly is scratchbox? a vm? | 00:30 |
| pwnguin | its the british version of nucular | 00:30 |
| crashanddie_mbp | I loved it when I received a card announcing the birth of some kid in a far far away part of the family | 00:31 |
| ashenburger | time to search for tel'aran'rhiod, night gents | 00:31 |
| crashanddie_mbp | and the card read "A Blessing in the Skies -- Our angel is born" | 00:31 |
| *** ashenburger has quit IRC | 00:32 | |
| crashanddie_mbp | (Blessing in disguise...) | 00:32 |
| timeless_mbp | oh gosh | 00:32 |
| pwnguin | robots in the skies | 00:32 |
| kynky | lol | 00:32 |
| *** juliank has quit IRC | 00:33 | |
| *** micm has quit IRC | 00:33 | |
| crashanddie_mbp | not worse than HR sending out an email to warn about the "Carpool tunnel syndrome" | 00:33 |
| kynky | autobots transform | 00:33 |
| *** simula_n900 has quit IRC | 00:33 | |
| timeless_mbp | kynky++ | 00:34 |
| timeless_mbp | i still think our mirophones and micorophones are better | 00:34 |
| timeless_mbp | heck, i'm not sure that my all time favorite wasn't a request from a release manager: | 00:34 |
| timeless_mbp | to all, please release your changes in smaller junks | 00:34 |
| timeless_mbp | <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junk_(ship)> | 00:34 |
| pwnguin | thats what she said | 00:35 |
| *** grinseka1ze is now known as grinsekatze | 00:35 | |
| timeless_mbp | that's pretty much what He said, yes | 00:35 |
| timeless_mbp | and i printed the wikipedia article for him and hand delivered it | 00:35 |
| kynky | lol, wikipedia the trustworthy source :) | 00:35 |
| timeless_mbp | junks are quite large, and can thus handle quite large deliveries | 00:36 |
| timeless_mbp | a smaller junk would indeed handle slightly smaller large deliveries :) | 00:36 |
| kynky | move quite slow | 00:36 |
| timeless_mbp | kynky: actually 007 was my authoritative source: http://www.jamesbondmm.co.uk/vehicles/scaramangas-junk | 00:36 |
| kynky | good good =) | 00:37 |
| crashanddie_mbp | I hate the "nucular" armerican way of saying nuclear | 00:37 |
| Arkenoi | will maemopad+ work on n900? | 00:37 |
| ManuelSE | nice app | 00:38 |
| ManuelSE | contact author | 00:38 |
| crashanddie_mbp | buy him a device | 00:39 |
| crashanddie_mbp | he'll see what he can do | 00:39 |
| *** lardman has quit IRC | 00:39 | |
| crashanddie_mbp | lardman you wanker! | 00:39 |
| hotaru2k3 | most Americans don't say it that way, and most of the ones who do just do it to get back at the brits for "aluminum" | 00:40 |
| crashanddie_mbp | aluminium | 00:40 |
| crashanddie_mbp | they're both valid spellings, that being said | 00:40 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, but the latter is just plain stupid ;-) | 00:41 |
| crashanddie_mbp | actually, not really | 00:41 |
| kynky | artefacts was a crazy one to spell | 00:42 |
| timeless_mbp | you're going to defend it w/ beryllium ? | 00:42 |
| crashanddie_mbp | I remember reading that they both appeared at the same time, maybe within two weeks of each other, and that aluminum might actually be older than aluminium | 00:42 |
| *** maxxle has joined #maemo | 00:42 | |
| timeless_mbp | personally i'm waiting for transparent aluminum | 00:43 |
| crashanddie_mbp | lol | 00:43 |
| mavhc | they invented that | 00:43 |
| kynky | aluminium rusts! | 00:43 |
| *** GiantTalkingCow has joined #maemo | 00:43 | |
| mavhc | but it's only transparent to extremely high energy light, for extremely short periods of time | 00:43 |
| kynky | or should i say it oxidizes | 00:44 |
| crashanddie_mbp | timeless_mbp: you're going to have to invent something more powerful than a "nucular" device in order to have copious amounts of transparent aluminium | 00:44 |
| timeless_mbp | would a macintosh do? :) | 00:45 |
| timeless_mbp | (hey, it worked for Scotty!) | 00:45 |
| kynky | a fusion device ? | 00:45 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 00:45 | |
| crashanddie_mbp | kynky: fusion isn't hard | 00:45 |
| maxxle | A suggestion for n900: The device should check if it's in horizontal/vertical position if one presses the Power-Button to access the phone option. Would be nice! What do u think? | 00:45 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 00:45 | |
| crashanddie_mbp | maxxle: and you don't think that the device needs to be on in order to access that information? | 00:46 |
| crashanddie_mbp | oh, sorry, misread that | 00:46 |
| maxxle | ok | 00:46 |
| crashanddie_mbp | maxxle: yeah, could be interesting | 00:46 |
| crashanddie_mbp | kynky: want to do a fusion experiment? | 00:47 |
| timeless_mbp | maxxle: i don't understand | 00:47 |
| maxxle | crashanddie_mbp: Do i have to file a bugreport for this? Or is there an other way for this feature-request? | 00:47 |
| crashanddie_mbp | timeless_mbp: hold the device in portrait, press power button, phone shows up | 00:47 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 00:47 | |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 00:47 |
| crashanddie_mbp | maxxle: actually, it's probably going to be classified as invalid | 00:47 |
| timeless_mbp | i held my device in portrait, phone appeared | 00:47 |
| *** GiantTalkingCow has quit IRC | 00:47 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 00:47 | |
| timeless_mbp | i pressed the power button, and i got a vertical power menu | 00:48 |
| javispedro | i'm sorry, is that a small, ugly, flatten, wince style 3mm wide scrollbar on ovi maps??? | 00:48 |
| crashanddie_mbp | maxxle: get someone to program a daemon to allow live shortcuts | 00:48 |
| derf | homeasvs_: Glad to hear it. | 00:48 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: probably | 00:48 |
| timeless_mbp | picture? | 00:48 |
| javispedro | other than that, the application is not as awful as I though | 00:49 |
| timeless_mbp | microb gives out those scrollbars to web pages that misbehave | 00:49 |
| kynky | crashanddie_mbp, thanks for the offer, but its not neccesary | 00:49 |
| javispedro | timeless: it's on the map settings map | 00:49 |
| javispedro | er.. | 00:49 |
| crashanddie_mbp | kynky: take a glass of water, put it in your freezer | 00:49 |
| javispedro | route settings | 00:49 |
| crashanddie_mbp | kynky: wait 6 hours, TADA, fusion! | 00:49 |
| crashanddie_mbp | literally, cold fusion | 00:49 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: you owe me for making me open maps | 00:49 |
| maxxle | hum.... i will try it as a bug. Actually it's one because if i'm in phone-mode the menu shows correctly and not 90° rotated | 00:50 |
| javispedro | timeless: hopefully it's not only a es_ES issue then | 00:50 |
| * javispedro is surprised at how the thing managed to pinpoint its location indoors | 00:51 | |
| timeless_mbp | ctrl-shift-p | 00:51 |
| timeless_mbp | picture? | 00:51 |
| javispedro | ok, wait a bit | 00:51 |
| timeless_mbp | it probably cheated and asked your cell network for help | 00:51 |
| timeless_mbp | ah yeah | 00:51 |
| javispedro | yeah, but it was very precise for that | 00:51 |
| timeless_mbp | cellular is much faster than gps | 00:51 |
| sivang | hmm, odd error | 00:51 |
| timeless_mbp | and yeah, that's microb rewarding them for being stupid | 00:51 |
| javispedro | faster probably, preciser? | 00:51 |
| sivang | I erased /scratchbox and remove --purge it | 00:52 |
| timeless_mbp | not more precise | 00:52 |
| timeless_mbp | but much much much faster | 00:52 |
| sivang | I retry the installation | 00:52 |
| sivang | and I get: E: Scratchbox command '/scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc' is not executable. | 00:52 |
| sivang | anybody idea? | 00:52 |
| javispedro | ah, so no need for me to screenshot anything :) | 00:52 |
| timeless_mbp | nope | 00:52 |
| javispedro | timeless: note also that panning doesn't work | 00:52 |
| sivang | and scratchbox does not even have /scratchbox/compilers dir | 00:52 |
| timeless_mbp | it doesn't? | 00:52 |
| sivang | what went wrong ? | 00:52 |
| timeless_mbp | wfm in my post sales version :) | 00:52 |
| kynky | thought h2o (room temperature) to h2o (below zero) was just a change of energy states, so frozen water has potential energy, i thought say combining 2h with o to produce h2o was fusion, the fusing of elements where energy is produced and the waste product water is produced | 00:53 |
| *** benh has joined #maemo | 00:53 | |
| javispedro | oh, nice :) | 00:53 |
| javispedro | well, let the ugly scroll bar rest there then | 00:53 |
| *** zap_ has quit IRC | 00:53 | |
| kynky | but i havent done chemistry in about 15 years | 00:53 |
| sivang | what creates the compilers dir ? | 00:54 |
| timeless_mbp | sivang: host devkits | 00:54 |
| *** fluff|afk is now known as fluff | 00:54 | |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: can I install it manually from the non scratchbox chroot ? | 00:54 |
| javispedro | toolchains | 00:54 |
| timeless_mbp | that's how you do it | 00:54 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: whateve | 00:55 |
| javispedro | :) | 00:55 |
| *** eightace has joined #maemo | 00:55 | |
| *** andre__ has quit IRC | 00:55 | |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: hmm, I have to add the maemo repo manually then? | 00:55 |
| * sivang wonders why it broke | 00:55 | |
| sivang | the installer was runnning beautofully a coule of times ago | 00:55 |
| javispedro | sivang, so you're not using the automated setup? | 00:55 |
| *** Gadgetoid_iMac has quit IRC | 00:56 | |
| javispedro | ah, you are. | 00:56 |
| sivang | javispedro: I am | 00:56 |
| timeless_mbp | you would probably add the scratchbox repo | 00:56 |
| sivang | javispedro: it just fails :) | 00:56 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 00:56 | |
| sivang | javispedro: and it used to work, but I removed the /scratchbox dir by hand after apt-get remove --purge scratchbox-core and removing the user | 00:56 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 00:56 | |
| sivang | javispedro: so to have the system in a vanilla state as before the setup | 00:57 |
| *** bjv has quit IRC | 00:57 | |
| javispedro | check for any other scratchbox- packages installed | 00:57 |
| *** Gadgetoid_iMac has joined #maemo | 00:58 | |
| *** GiantTalkingCow has joined #maemo | 00:58 | |
| sivang | javispedro: http://pastie.org/730994 | 00:59 |
| sivang | javispedro: http://pastie.org/730997 | 01:00 |
| javispedro | sivang: can't you launch synaptic or something like that and purge all of them | 01:00 |
| sivang | javispedro: that's what I did before this error | 01:00 |
| sivang | javispedro: but with apt-get remove --purge | 01:01 |
| javispedro | everyone of them | 01:01 |
| javispedro | ? | 01:01 |
| sivang | javispedro: synaptic is the same | 01:01 |
| javispedro | are you sure they all depend on -core? | 01:01 |
| sivang | javispedro: ah | 01:01 |
| sivang | javispedro: good point | 01:01 |
| javispedro | no, I'm not sure. just asking. | 01:01 |
| * sivang checks | 01:01 | |
| *** eightace has quit IRC | 01:01 | |
| *** jebba900 has quit IRC | 01:03 | |
| sivang | javispedro: this is the magic line, sudo dpkg -l | grep scratchbox | cut -d" " -f3 | xargs sudo apt-get -y remove --purge | 01:04 |
| sivang | javispedro: now retrying | 01:04 |
| *** igagis_ has quit IRC | 01:04 | |
| *** jebba900 has joined #maemo | 01:04 | |
| sivang | javispedro: right, so now it created the compliers dir | 01:06 |
| *** geaaru has quit IRC | 01:06 | |
| * sivang crosses fingers for the install process | 01:06 | |
| woglinde | sdk+ | 01:06 |
| woglinde | no pain | 01:06 |
| *** koan has quit IRC | 01:07 | |
| *** koan has joined #maemo | 01:07 | |
| javispedro | i didn't have any pain with the usual sbox too. | 01:07 |
| javispedro | but on maebar I have found quite a bit of people having nightmares with the SDK so.. | 01:07 |
| sivang | javispedro: what's maebar ? | 01:07 |
| javispedro | sivang: the maemo barcelona event, which just ended | 01:08 |
| sivang | javispedro: ah, right, Jure told me about it but I was too short in time and funds to make to there | 01:08 |
| sivang | javispedro: was a good event I reckon ? | 01:08 |
| * javispedro glances at (timeless's?) n900 autorun.inf icon | 01:08 | |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 01:08 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 01:08 |
| timeless_mbp | i hope you like it | 01:08 |
| sivang | thanks javispedro , it works now | 01:09 |
| javispedro | timeless: there's practically no way to dislike it. it's just the appropriate one. | 01:09 |
| sivang | javispedro: I assumed everything depended on -core | 01:09 |
| sivang | wrong | 01:09 |
| javispedro | sivang: yeah, it was very nice :) | 01:09 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 01:09 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: you wouldn't believe what kind of feedback we had internally | 01:09 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: you with Nokia ? | 01:10 |
| timeless_mbp | ayup | 01:10 |
| * sivang wonders if he asked that already | 01:10 | |
| *** El-Scorcho has quit IRC | 01:10 | |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: ah cool, you know Sami ? | 01:10 |
| timeless_mbp | maemo.org/profile/view/timeless/ | 01:10 |
| *** mikhas has joined #maemo | 01:10 | |
| timeless_mbp | 'sami' doesn't seem like a unique name | 01:10 |
| *** sphenxes01 has quit IRC | 01:10 | |
| *** sphenxes02 has quit IRC | 01:11 | |
| rohanpm | "you know Sami ?" is a hilarious thing to say to someone working for Nokia :-) | 01:11 |
| * javispedro glances at "how to make dot prefixed folders appear on macos x 101" | 01:11 | |
| rohanpm | it's like saying "you know John ?" to a Mormon | 01:11 |
| sivang | hehe | 01:11 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: did you see how we did it? | 01:11 |
| timeless_mbp | we cheated | 01:11 |
| sivang | sorry folks, I'm digging a link | 01:12 |
| *** koan has quit IRC | 01:12 | |
| *** koan has joined #maemo | 01:12 | |
| BBNS | sami, timo, hmm what else ... | 01:12 |
| timeless_mbp | totally evil and stupid workaround for an incredibly lame thing | 01:12 |
| timeless_mbp | jaakko? | 01:12 |
| BBNS | or jukka | 01:12 |
| javispedro | timeless: don't have a mac near, but I can guess it considering the hidden files they're in "that" folder | 01:12 |
| timeless_mbp | tuomas | 01:12 |
| timeless_mbp | pekka | 01:12 |
| frals | mika? marko? | 01:12 |
| javispedro | s/they're/that are | 01:12 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: the Mac OS one? | 01:12 |
| javispedro | yep | 01:13 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah | 01:13 |
| timeless_mbp | totally stupid hack | 01:13 |
| * sivang barfs at OS X | 01:13 | |
| timeless_mbp | to work around a braindead design | 01:13 |
| timeless_mbp | sivang: nothing wrong w/ OS X | 01:13 |
| sivang | braindead it is | 01:13 |
| BBNS | always has difficult time to remember his finish colleagues' name. | 01:13 |
| timeless_mbp | something terribly wrong w/ the maemo file system layout | 01:13 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: sorry, Mac OS | 01:13 |
| javispedro | this comes from the unixy part of macos x, so it's fine. the workaround is ugly :) | 01:13 |
| sivang | as in System X | 01:13 |
| timeless_mbp | BBNS =~ s/finish/finnish/ | 01:13 |
| Dyresen | So anyone else had n900's go brick? | 01:13 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: at least the workaround works! | 01:13 |
| timeless_mbp | we don't have a workaround for Linux! | 01:14 |
| BBNS | timeless_mbp: oops ...sorry. =P they are both available word and spell check didn't warn me. | 01:14 |
| sivang | that's the name: sami.j.viitanen | 01:14 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: ^^ | 01:14 |
| * javispedro realizes someone actually snapshotted him unboxing his n900! | 01:14 | |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 01:14 | |
| *** maxxle has quit IRC | 01:14 | |
| timeless_mbp | "maybe" | 01:14 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: he's a pro services consultant AFAICT | 01:14 |
| timeless_mbp | my phone only knows a different viitanen | 01:14 |
| timeless_mbp | also not an uncommon name | 01:14 |
| timeless_mbp | jaakko is roughly jack | 01:15 |
| timeless_mbp | pekka is iirc peter | 01:15 |
| timeless_mbp | tuomas is thomas | 01:15 |
| *** vblazquez has joined #maemo | 01:15 | |
| timeless_mbp | sami is sam | 01:15 |
| javispedro | so, I'm a Linux user, and I don't know where to put my music files on. | 01:15 |
| *** DocScrutinizer51 has joined #maemo | 01:15 | |
| timeless_mbp | marko is mark | 01:15 |
| javispedro | Here's to hoping Nautilus has similar "aliases" support. | 01:15 |
| mikhas | on your ipod | 01:15 |
| mece | I'm getting a "you cannot add the items(s) here. Choose a different location." error while copying music to my N900? Not weird. What is weird is it started after ~300 songs were copied. | 01:15 |
| timeless_mbp | mika is mike | 01:15 |
| Dyresen | Can anyone confirm that they have rock solid stable n900's? | 01:16 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: it doesn't | 01:16 |
| *** teh_redee has joined #maemo | 01:16 | |
| timeless_mbp | but remember... tracker indexes all files | 01:16 |
| timeless_mbp | so you don't have to get them into the right folder | 01:16 |
| javispedro | Dyresen: they're all unstable and crazy. they will kill you while you sleep. nokia knows this and is hiding the truth from you. | 01:16 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: I met him and Jure Sustersic on the Developer Day | 01:16 |
| timeless_mbp | mece: um | 01:16 |
| timeless_mbp | the file system is fat | 01:16 |
| mece | yesh... and? | 01:16 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a limit to the number of files in the root of the fat file system | 01:16 |
| *** user_ has joined #maemo | 01:16 | |
| AakashPatel | Is there an issue with signatures on the email app? | 01:16 |
| mikhas | yup, I just have my music files directly in MyDocs/, and the player finds them easily | 01:16 |
| timeless_mbp | if you did tried to stick all the files into the root | 01:16 |
| *** koan has quit IRC | 01:17 | |
| timeless_mbp | then you're asking for it | 01:17 |
| vblazquez | i'm trying to compile an application for n900 in scrachbox, but i receive that message, /scratchbox/compilers/host-gcc/bin/ld: warning: libstdc++.so.6, needed by /opt/qt4-maemo5/lib/libQtCore.so, may conflict with libstdc++.so.5, anyone know what kind of proble i have? | 01:17 |
| *** koan has joined #maemo | 01:17 | |
| AakashPatel | I save a signature but it doesnt show up unless i create an email, swtich the from address to adiffernt one, and then swtich it back | 01:17 |
| timeless_mbp | how'd you get libstdc++.so.5 ?! | 01:17 |
| javispedro | note /scratchbox/compilers/HOST-GCC/.. | 01:17 |
| *** redeeman has quit IRC | 01:18 | |
| Dyresen | javispedro: well, mine has been like that actually. | 01:18 |
| mece | timeless_mbp, they are all neatly divided into MyDocs/.sounds/<artistname>/<album name>/<artistname> - <tracknumber> - <trackname>.mp3 | 01:18 |
| javispedro | either he has no target setup or the autosetup went mad again, in which case, *sigh* | 01:18 |
| *** dl9pf has quit IRC | 01:18 | |
| sivang | going to sleep, bye all | 01:18 |
| *** dl9pf has joined #maemo | 01:18 | |
| timeless_mbp | mece: i don't suppose you foolishly including folders that are marked as readonly? | 01:18 |
| Dyresen | javispedro: So I just wonder if they are slightly unstable, or if I can expect it to be rock solid if I get it changed. | 01:18 |
| timeless_mbp | s/including/included/ | 01:18 |
| vblazquez | javispedro: i can't see it | 01:18 |
| *** teh_redee is now known as redeeman | 01:19 | |
| javispedro | Dyresen: what do you mean by "slight unstable"? | 01:19 |
| timeless_mbp | vblazquez: what host vendor distro version of linux are you running? | 01:19 |
| AakashPatel | so no issues on the email signature :/ | 01:19 |
| vblazquez | arch linux | 01:19 |
| AakashPatel | ? | 01:19 |
| Dyresen | javispedro: like random reboots | 01:19 |
| mece | timeless_mbp, didn't check that. I copied from my wifes windows machine... | 01:19 |
| javispedro | Dyresen: how often? | 01:19 |
| timeless_mbp | mece: did it tell you the name of the folder? | 01:19 |
| mece | timeless_mbp, nope, and I can't put files in any other folder either... wait, I'll test under something else than audio | 01:20 |
| *** eichi has joined #maemo | 01:20 | |
| *** fab has quit IRC | 01:20 | |
| timeless_mbp | you can use 'attrib /s /d' on windows to try to find that (or something like that) | 01:20 |
| Dyresen | javispedro: if its once a day its too damn often, but mine was like every fifth minute most of the time. After about 20 hours it just went brick without me even touching the thing. | 01:20 |
| javispedro | Dyresen: and you're even asking? | 01:20 |
| timeless_mbp | mece: you're using Mass Storage and not PC Suite, right? | 01:20 |
| mece | timeless_mbp, using pc suite | 01:21 |
| Dyresen | javispedro: Im asking if people have devices that are stable and nice. | 01:21 |
| timeless_mbp | mece: oh | 01:21 |
| timeless_mbp | um | 01:21 |
| timeless_mbp | most of us stay away from pc suite | 01:21 |
| *** hardaker2 has joined #maemo | 01:21 | |
| mece | timeless_mbp, understandable :) | 01:21 |
| timeless_mbp | it's probably the better choice | 01:21 |
| mece | timeless_mbp, Ill switch | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Dyresen, I for one am rather happy | 01:21 |
| timeless_mbp | but um, we don't understand it | 01:21 |
| javispedro | Dyresen: man, for more than five minutes? of course! what do you think this is, a red light district "company" or what | 01:22 |
| ali1234 | Dyresen: i've had exactly one unexplained reboot in 2 months, and that was video decoder related | 01:22 |
| timeless_mbp | mece: i'd rather you figure out what went wrong | 01:22 |
| *** koan has quit IRC | 01:22 | |
| *** koan has joined #maemo | 01:22 | |
| timeless_mbp | sadly i know very little about how it works | 01:22 |
| ShadowJK | pc suite is made of evil and fail, like all "helper" software.. | 01:22 |
| timeless_mbp | typically i'd start w/ filemon/procmon | 01:22 |
| timeless_mbp | but i don't know if pc suite counts | 01:22 |
| timeless_mbp | i suspect it's just a shell class thingy | 01:22 |
| Dyresen | javispedro: please learn how to read. Im not asking if people experience reboots every fifth minute. | 01:22 |
| javispedro | last time I used pc suite it used some stupid explorer shell extension for | 01:22 |
| javispedro | timeless++ | 01:22 |
| timeless_mbp | which probably doesn't count from file/proc-mon's perspective | 01:23 |
| mece | timeless_mbp, yep, works now. Thankee-sai! | 01:23 |
| mece | timeless_mbp, what went wrong is what ShadowJK said... | 01:23 |
| Dyresen | ali1234: DocScrutinizer51 ahh oki, thats exactly what Im wondering about. So Ill get it replaced, not asking for money back then. | 01:23 |
| javispedro | Dyresen: so I asked for your definition of "stable" (actually, slight instable). but either way you got your answer | 01:24 |
| Dyresen | javispedro: yes I did. | 01:24 |
| *** fluff is now known as fluff|afk | 01:24 | |
| Dyresen | javispedro: I said once a day to too often ;) | 01:24 |
| Dyresen | s/to /is /g | 01:24 |
| ShadowJK | re stabillity, i've used my n900 for over a week. I've had 0 spontaneous reboots. the browser has crashed maybe 4 times, that's all | 01:25 |
| javispedro | but every fifth minute is not normal. once a day, depending on your use .... (for example, I already saw it reboot twice =) can't complain since I'm messing) | 01:25 |
| jaem_ | AakashPatel, sorry I took so long | 01:25 |
| jaem_ | what's up? | 01:25 |
| ShadowJK | i rebooted mine 2 or 3 times for sim card changes | 01:26 |
| AakashPatel | Tryin to figure out why my signatures on email's arent showing up | 01:26 |
| Dyresen | javispedro: yeah, Ill just ask them to send me a new one. | 01:26 |
| Dyresen | thanks | 01:26 |
| *** koan has quit IRC | 01:27 | |
| javispedro | ouch, couldn't Nokia just have used the usual "AUDIO" folder for.. audio. | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp, were you mentioning the gesture for history on browser to me? Are you involved in the browser development? | 01:27 |
| *** koan has joined #maemo | 01:27 | |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 01:27 |
| fnordianslippers | i've had mine for eleven days and not experienced a single uncommanded reboot although it did once make a noise like a geiger counter causing me to reboot it. uptime of 3 days currently. | 01:27 |
| *** warp10 has quit IRC | 01:27 | |
| AakashPatel | jaem_, Does it do the same thing for you? in the email app when you save a signature it doesnt show up in the message when you create one/ | 01:28 |
| jaem_ | let me see | 01:28 |
| *** iDialekt has quit IRC | 01:28 | |
| *** eichi has quit IRC | 01:28 | |
| *** ersin has joined #maemo | 01:28 | |
| ersin | hi all | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp, I find it,s quite difficult to do the right to left slide sabsolutely without any Y component | 01:29 |
| jaem_ | AakashPatel, worksforme | 01:29 |
| AakashPatel | hm wtf | 01:29 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: *shrug* | 01:29 |
| *** eichi has joined #maemo | 01:29 | |
| AakashPatel | ill delete the account and re-add it | 01:29 |
| ersin | i was wondering if it's possible to use nokia's diablo images to create a qemu disk image to boot off of w/ qemu | 01:29 |
| *** phreck has quit IRC | 01:29 | |
| timeless_mbp | ersin: i hope you own an n8x0 | 01:30 |
| ersin | timeless_mbp: i do | 01:30 |
| *** mardi__ has quit IRC | 01:30 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp, maybe browser could tolerate a fewdegrees up or down from absolutely flat line | 01:30 |
| timeless_mbp | so, roughly speaking | 01:30 |
| timeless_mbp | you can use system-qemu | 01:30 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 01:30 | |
| ersin | how so? | 01:30 |
| mece | Dyresen, I haven't had a single crash. some 60 hour uptime now. I let it run empty once after the full charge, so I don't have 100% uptime, but pretty close. | 01:30 |
| timeless_mbp | it has been used | 01:30 |
| ersin | i see | 01:30 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 01:30 | |
| timeless_mbp | dunno :) | 01:30 |
| * javispedro likes the thing | 01:30 | |
| ersin | lol | 01:31 |
| ersin | well how about this | 01:31 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: stylus or finger? | 01:31 |
| ersin | nokia has separate images for everything (rootfs, kernel, etc.) | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | finger | 01:31 |
| ersin | do all those correspond to diff partitions on the internal flash? | 01:31 |
| *** n6pfk has joined #maemo | 01:31 | |
| timeless_mbp | how much pressure? | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm | 01:31 |
| timeless_mbp | ersin: from memory, yes | 01:32 |
| ersin | timeless_mbp: thanks, i think that's enough to get started ;-) | 01:32 |
| *** Zeddeh has quit IRC | 01:32 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | tried all but think more pressure works better | 01:32 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: the more pressure i apply, the more likely i am to get the gesture | 01:32 |
| Dyresen | mece: nice to hear. Makes me think I have a faulty device. Ill just have'em send a new one. Hardly managed to play with it at all before it bricked. | 01:32 |
| timeless_mbp | the thing is | 01:32 |
| timeless_mbp | if you don't apply much pressure | 01:32 |
| javispedro | ersin: search for n810 qemu, somebody already did it | 01:32 |
| timeless_mbp | we think you're a stylus | 01:32 |
| javispedro | ersin: s/n810/n800/ | 01:32 |
| timeless_mbp | and assume that your high precision pointing device is intentionally not gesturing | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp, aah | 01:33 |
| AakashPatel | waht the fuck | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | thanks | 01:33 |
| ersin | javispedro: sweet, thanks for the tip | 01:33 |
| ersin | cyall later | 01:33 |
| *** ersin has quit IRC | 01:33 | |
| AakashPatel | jaem_, It doesnt show up on mine unless i change the from email and change it back | 01:33 |
| javispedro | btw, for those of you who didn't hear me boast it at maebar, the eduroam bug has now a nokia-made unofficial fix!! | 01:34 |
| jaem_ | AakashPatel, sorry, not sure | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp, also sometimes the picture slides to left and then"gets stuck" leaving a ca 10mm empty space at right side | 01:34 |
| * AakashPatel thinks | 01:35 | |
| *** GiantTalkingCow has quit IRC | 01:35 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp, while doing this gesture | 01:35 |
| mece | Dyresen, sounds like the 32wd_to/sw_rst reboot bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6334 | 01:35 |
| povbot` | Bug 6334: random reboots | 01:35 |
| AakashPatel | jaem_, That's odd | 01:35 |
| *** simula_n900 has joined #maemo | 01:37 | |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: i can understand what you're trying to describe, but i can't trigger it | 01:37 |
| mece | Dyresen, if you want to help with that one, read the comments by Eero Tamminen (Nokia) on the bug and follow his instructions. | 01:37 |
| mece | this thing needs an automagical album art downloader | 01:38 |
| Dyresen | mece: thanks, Ill look into it! =) | 01:38 |
| Dyresen | Need to "unbrick" the device as well though. | 01:38 |
| *** EricSagnes has quit IRC | 01:38 | |
| Dyresen | But it came this way, it kind of sucks I think. | 01:38 |
| mece | Dyresen, here's some info on the unbricking I believe: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 01:39 |
| mece | Dyresen, yep. That's why it would be nice to find a solutions. Looks like a lot of people are working hard on it too. | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp, no big thing. maybe I can create a screenshot or photo eventually | 01:40 |
| mece | Dyresen, I've been lucky. The three N900's I use have had none of the problems that I've read about. | 01:41 |
| SpeedEvil | the only problem I've experienced is the sucky front cam | 01:41 |
| mece | SpeedEvil, what do you use it for? | 01:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - and the lack of DSP accelleration in video codecs | 01:41 |
| *** crashanddie_mbp_ has joined #maemo | 01:41 | |
| SpeedEvil | mece: simply testing at the moment. | 01:41 |
| *** crashanddie_mbp has quit IRC | 01:41 | |
| *** crashanddie_mbp_ is now known as crashanddie_mbp | 01:41 | |
| *** mardi__ has joined #maemo | 01:41 | |
| Dyresen | mece: yeah, Ill ask the shop to replace it anyway tomorrow. We shop there for approx $200K a year so it's not like he's going to denie. | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: but I found it unusable in any but almost directly sunlit rooms. | 01:42 |
| mece | Dyresen, well it's pretty obvious it's broken, so should be no problem even for one-time customers I'd think. | 01:42 |
| Dyresen | mece: yeah | 01:43 |
| *** choppa has quit IRC | 01:43 | |
| *** simula_ has joined #maemo | 01:44 | |
| *** choppa has joined #maemo | 01:44 | |
| ShadowJK | which video codecs? | 01:46 |
| *** KenYoung has joined #maemo | 01:47 | |
| *** choppa has quit IRC | 01:47 | |
| *** Ronaldo38741 has joined #maemo | 01:47 | |
| *** wazd has quit IRC | 01:48 | |
| *** bjv has joined #maemo | 01:48 | |
| *** n6pfk has quit IRC | 01:48 | |
| *** julianoliver has quit IRC | 01:49 | |
| *** rsalveti has joined #maemo | 01:50 | |
| jebba | wow. front cam is like 90% static colored pixels... Not even that low light (running mirror) | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 01:51 |
| javispedro | ah, better than n810's then. | 01:51 |
| mece | LOL | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | It may be possible that it's not quite setup right in firmware | 01:51 |
| jebba | gonna be crap to encode for video conferencing. | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | so you might get some improvement | 01:51 |
| *** bjv has quit IRC | 01:51 | |
| SpeedEvil | jebba: try moving it _right_next_ to a light, and it improves | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil, I'd think so | 01:51 |
| mece | has anyone tried the google-album-art-downloader? http://maemo.org/packages/view/google-album-art-downloader/ | 01:52 |
| * javispedro has some pictures that were taken ON SUNLIGHT and they're indistinguishable from static noise | 01:52 | |
| javispedro | (n810 cam) | 01:52 |
| *** saltsa_ has joined #maemo | 01:52 | |
| javispedro | basically -- I just tried video conferencing once then forgot about it | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil, like "max ISPO/ASA, min exposure time" | 01:53 |
| jebba | i'm in a reasonably lit room with a 60W bulb like a foot from my face pointing at it and it's still pretty lam | 01:53 |
| jebba | lame | 01:53 |
| jebba | it's gotta be more than just the camera. Like above, something whacked in firmware | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | jebba: yes - about 10* more light than that, and it gets sort-of-ok | 01:54 |
| arachnist | is there a way to grab video from the front cam like from the gack one? | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | is the cam driver open source? | 01:55 |
| arachnist | the back one is accessible using mplayer tv:// | 01:55 |
| SpeedEvil | as is the front | 01:56 |
| *** florian has quit IRC | 01:56 | |
| jebba | it actually kind of looks ok in that i can see the detail of me, but it's almost like a video effect of pixels layered above a decent image | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video1 | 01:56 |
| arachnist | oh | 01:56 |
| javispedro | the cam driver should be open source -- it's on the kernel after all | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | -fps 25 maybe too | 01:56 |
| *** code177 has left #maemo | 01:56 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | might try to find better config then | 01:57 |
| jebba | oh rad, thx for mplayer hint. /dev/video0 gets you back camera, video1 gets front | 01:57 |
| AakashPatel | someone help me fix my email signature problem | 01:57 |
| AakashPatel | :) | 01:57 |
| farrel_antares | I've just installed the maemo 5 SDK. But I can't to find a repositories list to add some apps,. Does anyone can help me? | 01:58 |
| *** espadav8_L_ has quit IRC | 01:58 | |
| *** promulo has joined #maemo | 01:59 | |
| farrel_antares | I wanna install some web browser, but I cant find anyone. | 01:59 |
| jebba | farrel_antares: see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba | 01:59 |
| *** Lorthirk has quit IRC | 02:00 | |
| *** hardaker2 has quit IRC | 02:00 | |
| *** eichi has quit IRC | 02:01 | |
| *** BBNS_ has joined #maemo | 02:03 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 02:03 | |
| *** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS | 02:03 | |
| KenYoung | Does anyone know if there is a function call which can be made by C code to put the N900 in portrait mode? | 02:03 |
| *** DocScrutinizer51 has quit IRC | 02:05 | |
| *** EricSagnes has joined #maemo | 02:06 | |
| *** type_t has joined #maemo | 02:06 | |
| * javispedro watches very confusing "no files" message in file manager when device is in g_storage mode | 02:06 | |
| simula_ | KenYoung... do you have the maemo sdk set up? | 02:06 |
| KenYoung | simula, Yes, I can compile code with it, and it works. | 02:06 |
| simula_ | there has to be something in the maemo sdk docs | 02:07 |
| farrel_antares | jebba, thank you, It was I needing. I'll try out. | 02:08 |
| jebba | interesting, the main camera supports these mplayer options, but the front camera doesnt: "-tv brightness=50:contrast=50:hue=0:saturation=-100:gain=40:device=/dev/video0" | 02:10 |
| *** cure` has quit IRC | 02:10 | |
| jebba | changing video0 to 1 works fine, but brightness and all that doesn't get changed on front camera | 02:10 |
| *** Dantonic has quit IRC | 02:12 | |
| *** jebba900 has left #maemo | 02:13 | |
| *** z4chh has joined #maemo | 02:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | jebba: that's exactly part of the problem with abyssmal quality | 02:14 |
| Gadgetoid | wth do those options do? | 02:15 |
| jebba | i assume -vo is best? Gadgetoid, well, pretty much what they say: change brightness, contrast, gain, hue, etc. | 02:16 |
| ali1234 | they set the parameters on the camera chip | 02:16 |
| Gadgetoid | ahh | 02:16 |
| *** cure` has joined #maemo | 02:16 | |
| jebba | this was my old mirror script on Eee900, fwiw: http://pastebin.ca/1704916 | 02:17 |
| *** DocScrutinizer51 has joined #maemo | 02:17 | |
| jebba | i assume -vo xv is best i should have said above. | 02:17 |
| *** Andy80 has joined #maemo | 02:17 | |
| *** koan has quit IRC | 02:17 | |
| *** mece has quit IRC | 02:17 | |
| *** koan has joined #maemo | 02:17 | |
| Andy80 | hi all | 02:17 |
| simula_ | hey andy | 02:18 |
| Andy80 | hi :) | 02:18 |
| Andy80 | all sleeping after #maebar :P ? | 02:18 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 02:19 | |
| javispedro | hi andy | 02:20 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 02:20 | |
| javispedro | na, too busy trying to mess with the device :) | 02:20 |
| Andy80 | :D | 02:20 |
| Andy80 | ok... my problem now is: I've probably talked with you at meeting, but cannot associate a name to a face :\ | 02:21 |
| javispedro | don't worry, the forgetfulness is mutual :) | 02:22 |
| javispedro | ah, I think we didn't talk much though :P | 02:22 |
| Andy80 | it's possible... I almost tried to help Thomas or talked with some spanish guys :P | 02:23 |
| *** woglinde has quit IRC | 02:25 | |
| AakashPatel | whats a good doc editor for maemo? | 02:25 |
| AakashPatel | that supports graphs and stuff | 02:26 |
| *** _uben_ has joined #maemo | 02:26 | |
| *** fnordianslippers has quit IRC | 02:26 | |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | openoffice? ;-P | 02:26 |
| *** rsalveti has quit IRC | 02:26 | |
| AakashPatel | Lol is there OOo for maemo? | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | actually dunno | 02:27 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 02:27 | |
| *** BBNS_ has joined #maemo | 02:28 | |
| javispedro | there's qole's chroot | 02:28 |
| javispedro | which contains certain version of debian, including openoffice | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | well, it worked on my P-II/300 128MB toughbook, so... | 02:28 |
| javispedro | well, it's slow as hell on my Athlon/1900 2048MB workstation, so... ;P | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | yes, that as well XD | 02:29 |
| javispedro | maybe the 1.x versions were much faster? | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | iirc v1.99 was kinda bearable (not more than one cig to smoke while opening a document) | 02:31 |
| javispedro | wow, Nokia PC Suite is 250MiB? what does it contain, an operating system? | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | Mpeg help? | 02:32 |
| KMFDM | javispedro, you sure you dont mean ovi suite | 02:32 |
| javispedro | heh | 02:32 |
| javispedro | KMFDM: it says "Nokia PC Suite 7.1.30.9" | 02:32 |
| javispedro | which is the latest one avail on nokia spain site.. | 02:33 |
| *** prusnak has quit IRC | 02:33 | |
| KMFDM | let me see what version i have | 02:33 |
| KMFDM | my installer was only 80 megs | 02:33 |
| javispedro | oh they're different programs actually | 02:33 |
| javispedro | yes, the installer is compressed. | 02:33 |
| KMFDM | yeah | 02:33 |
| javispedro | but my hdd space is gone | 02:33 |
| KMFDM | i have nokia pc suite version 7.1.40.1 | 02:33 |
| javispedro | well, how bad can 0.0.1 be? | 02:33 |
| *** sevard has quit IRC | 02:33 | |
| *** sevard has joined #maemo | 02:34 | |
| *** KMFDM has quit IRC | 02:35 | |
| javispedro | ah, it worked fine. it even gets the device picture. | 02:35 |
| *** fnordianslippers has joined #maemo | 02:36 | |
| simula_ | what filesystem type are you folks formatting your sdhc card as? | 02:37 |
| jebba | i formatted mine as ext3, but each time i boot up it complains it can't read it (which doesnt matter as i mount it manually) | 02:39 |
| *** Xisdibik has quit IRC | 02:39 | |
| *** pvanhoof has quit IRC | 02:39 | |
| *** SpeedEvil has quit IRC | 02:41 | |
| *** |uben| has quit IRC | 02:41 | |
| *** n900evil has quit IRC | 02:42 | |
| ali1234 | how much do we know about the tv out? | 02:42 |
| ali1234 | (on n900) | 02:43 |
| BabelO | hi ali1234 | 02:43 |
| ali1234 | hi | 02:43 |
| BabelO | what are you looking for ? | 02:43 |
| ali1234 | i'm wondering if it can do a real native unscaled PAL or NTSC mode with overscanning | 02:43 |
| ali1234 | i'd guess it can't though, without rewriting the DSP code or something | 02:44 |
| ali1234 | ideally I'd like to be able to feed it a X11 modeline :) | 02:44 |
| BabelO | ok, i just tested all the rds stuff today :) but still looking for BCM2048 datasheet | 02:44 |
| BabelO | ali1234: i uploaded qlandkartem to garage maemo :) | 02:45 |
| ali1234 | don't think i've ever used it... | 02:45 |
| BabelO | ali1234: about qlandkartem ? it is just new from today :) raster maps, you can use geotiff file | 02:47 |
| ali1234 | isn't it the one that's always under discussion on #htc-linux? | 02:47 |
| BabelO | yes and we have our channel on #qlandkarte | 02:48 |
| ali1234 | mapping isn't really my thing, i prefer to stay home and play video games :) | 02:49 |
| BabelO | :) | 02:49 |
| ali1234 | but i demand pixel accurate representation of my emulated systems, hence the question :) | 02:49 |
| *** BBNS_ has quit IRC | 02:49 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 02:49 | |
| BabelO | ali1234: did you try the rds stuff of N900 ? trnasmitter and receiver ? | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | simula: I created 3 partitions on my 16GB: 13.5 vfat, 2 ext3 with OM-SHR linux os, and 0.5 swap | 02:51 |
| *** gomiam has quit IRC | 02:52 | |
| ali1234 | BabelO: the FM? RDS as in FM digital text/station name/genre stuff? | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | simula: seems maemo5 does a mount for vfat only atm, on boot / insertion of card | 02:53 |
| *** user__ has joined #maemo | 02:53 | |
| BabelO | ali1234: yes, i changed the RDS text displayed on my radio car, and looking to display mp3 tad on radio car now | 02:53 |
| BabelO | ali1234: for the receiver i look to rds data to add TMC feature | 02:54 |
| ali1234 | it can broadcast RDS? that's pretty neat | 02:54 |
| ali1234 | you can spoof your signal to be a traffic update, and send it to nearby cars (with a amplifier of course) | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | BabelO: that's awesome | 02:54 |
| *** SpeedEvil has joined #maemo | 02:55 | |
| BabelO | ali1234: yes, wen you enbale the N900 fm transmitter | 02:55 |
| BabelO | it add a i2c device to /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-0063 | 02:55 |
| ali1234 | yeah, i assumed it would transmit the analogue part only | 02:55 |
| BabelO | something like that | 02:55 |
| BabelO | and you can change the displayed text on fm radio with echo "testtestes" > rds_ps_name | 02:55 |
| BabelO | by default it display nokia | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | BabelO: darn! share a pointer? | 02:56 |
| *** dl9pf has quit IRC | 02:56 | |
| *** KenYoung has quit IRC | 02:56 | |
| BabelO | DocScrutinizer-8: ? | 02:56 |
| ali1234 | that's really cool | 02:56 |
| BabelO | just looking at drivers, that's all | 02:57 |
| BabelO | the bigger interesting part is the fm receiver when you enable rds feature | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | BabelO: do I need additional err... things ? where can I get? | 02:57 |
| BabelO | DocScrutinizer-8: no additionnal thing required | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | duh | 02:57 |
| BabelO | it is there | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | amazing | 02:58 |
| AakashPatel | is there a good multiprotcol chat client for maemo? | 02:59 |
| AakashPatel | that supports yahoo, facebook chat, etc? | 02:59 |
| AakashPatel | like pidgin :) | 02:59 |
| AakashPatel | hm there is a pidgin client ;0 | 03:00 |
| AakashPatel | aw :( not for os2009 | 03:00 |
| ali1234 | i think pidgin is available in testing or devel | 03:00 |
| *** Erod has quit IRC | 03:01 | |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | I think pidgin was on N900 ootb | 03:01 |
| BabelO | AakashPatel: you can just add the telepaty plugin and you will see all protocol natively available | 03:01 |
| AakashPatel | to the conversation app? | 03:01 |
| BabelO | AakashPatel: look at account-haze for msn for example | 03:01 |
| BabelO | AakashPatel: yes | 03:01 |
| ali1234 | yeah, telepathy-haze | 03:02 |
| AakashPatel | so install the telepathy-haze package? | 03:02 |
| BabelO | yes | 03:02 |
| ali1234 | something like that, yeah :) | 03:02 |
| AakashPatel | terminal here i come! | 03:02 |
| ali1234 | it's in the app manager | 03:02 |
| AakashPatel | in extras? | 03:02 |
| AakashPatel | i didnt see it :/ | 03:02 |
| ali1234 | or extras-testing, or extras-devel | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | BabelO: where you got the info about the RDS interface and functions from? Just educated guess? :-) | 03:03 |
| BabelO | DocScrutinizer-8: just reading the radio-bcm2048.c driver for the receiver part | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | aah | 03:04 |
| BabelO | and just testing and some personnal knowledge on rds for the transmiter part | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | sorce is the spec and the doc. As usual | 03:04 |
| BabelO | DocScrutinizer-8: just look to /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-* | 03:04 |
| AakashPatel | account-plugin-haze? | 03:05 |
| BabelO | once you enabled the device :) | 03:05 |
| BabelO | you will understand yourself | 03:05 |
| BabelO | AakashPatel: yes this one | 03:05 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 03:05 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 03:05 | |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | BabelO: thanks :-)) | 03:05 |
| AakashPatel | :( | 03:05 |
| AakashPatel | it doesnt have facebook chat | 03:05 |
| BabelO | AakashPatel: haze is just for msn | 03:05 |
| BabelO | idle is for irc | 03:05 |
| AakashPatel | on ubuntu and stuff i forgot you have to install libpurple-facebook | 03:05 |
| BabelO | jabber is for jabber and others | 03:05 |
| AakashPatel | purple/pidgin* | 03:05 |
| *** Andy80 has quit IRC | 03:06 | |
| BabelO | if you know a gateway on jabber for facebook | 03:06 |
| BabelO | but i think facebook use only webservices, maybe that's why it isn't in telepathy protocols | 03:06 |
| *** VDVsx has joined #maemo | 03:06 | |
| ali1234 | haze is actually for all libpurple protocols | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | (FM-amp) quite problematic to almost impossible. you can't simply place the device next to antenna plugged to amp's input | 03:07 |
| ali1234 | butterfly is the native telepathy msn | 03:07 |
| AakashPatel | fuck im a retard | 03:08 |
| AakashPatel | i enabled the extras-devel | 03:08 |
| AakashPatel | and it told me there were updates to some of my apps | 03:08 |
| AakashPatel | ...i installed them | 03:08 |
| jebba | i do that all the time | 03:08 |
| AakashPatel | i just uninsatlled the ones i updated | 03:09 |
| AakashPatel | and disabled devel | 03:09 |
| AakashPatel | and reinstalled | 03:09 |
| fnordianslip | its hard to remember if those things were installed from devel in the first place | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | the more interesting Q is, how to undo that | 03:09 |
| AakashPatel | I uninstalled 'em | 03:10 |
| jebba | any idea which kernel module is loaded for front camera? | 03:11 |
| *** |dl9pf| has joined #maemo | 03:11 | |
| jebba | board_rx51_camera,omap34xxcam_mod,et8ek8,ad5820,adp1653,smia_sensor one of them, i presume | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | actually it's a PITA you can't select the source repo of packages that are in multiple repos | 03:12 |
| BabelO | AakashPatel: you have aMsn if you want to do MSN with webcam of N900 | 03:12 |
| *** digitalstimulus has quit IRC | 03:13 | |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: tried apt-get install package=version ? | 03:13 |
| *** AakashN900 has joined #maemo | 03:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | jebba: check for change of refcount when starting mirror? | 03:13 |
| ali1234 | jebba: look in /sys/class/video4linux/ | 03:13 |
| *** AakashN900 has quit IRC | 03:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | javispedro: actually not. Was somewhat limited in my perspective to app-manager | 03:14 |
| *** benh has quit IRC | 03:14 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 03:14 | |
| *** AakashN900 has joined #maemo | 03:14 | |
| *** cure` has quit IRC | 03:15 | |
| *** AakashPatel has quit IRC | 03:15 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 03:15 | |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | ali1234: right, isn't there a "driver" node telling name of driver? | 03:15 |
| *** EricSagnes has quit IRC | 03:15 | |
| ali1234 | somewhere in sys, yes | 03:15 |
| jebba | $ cat /sys/class/video4linux/video1/name | 03:16 |
| jebba | omap3/vs6555// | 03:16 |
| yuizy | hmh, the network stopped working on my scratchbox | 03:16 |
| jebba | but that doesnt appear to be the module | 03:16 |
| yuizy | i cannot install packages | 03:16 |
| *** cure` has joined #maemo | 03:16 | |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | jebba: o.O ?? | 03:18 |
| yuizy | ah the problem is with dns | 03:19 |
| jebba | refcnt goes from 8 to 10 whichever camera I use in omap34xxcam_mod | 03:20 |
| *** code177 has joined #maemo | 03:21 | |
| code177 | hrmm | 03:21 |
| *** type_t has quit IRC | 03:21 | |
| *** simula_ has quit IRC | 03:22 | |
| *** Openfree` has joined #maemo | 03:22 | |
| yuizy | can anyone help me with the networking problem? | 03:24 |
| yuizy | i see the right ip in /sbin/ifconfig and i can go to http://193.184.164.139 with the browser but cannot go to http://repository.maemo.org | 03:25 |
| johnx | yuizy, might need to copy your hosts resolv.conf in if you have DNS problems | 03:25 |
| *** mikhas has quit IRC | 03:25 | |
| jebba | check /etc/resolv.conf | 03:25 |
| johnx | s/hosts/host's | 03:26 |
| yuizy | ah thanks | 03:26 |
| jebba | or just `echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8 > /etc/resolv.conf"` | 03:26 |
| yuizy | ok | 03:27 |
| yuizy | do i have to reset something now? | 03:27 |
| johnx | you shouldn't need to | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | <ope | 03:27 |
| johnx | might need to restart whatever program you had open in the worst case | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | check "host ct.de" | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | should resolve now | 03:29 |
| yuizy | apt-get can't still find the repositories :( | 03:29 |
| *** farrel_antares has quit IRC | 03:29 | |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | does "host foo.com" work? | 03:30 |
| yuizy | no such command | 03:30 |
| jebba | yuizy: does ` host www.google.com 8.8.8.8 ` work? if DocScrutinizer-8's command doesnt fly | 03:30 |
| jebba | oh | 03:30 |
| jebba | heh | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | 8.8.8.8 ??? | 03:31 |
| zash | 8.8.8.8.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer google-public-dns-a.google.com. | 03:31 |
| Ronaldo38741 | I found it to be pretty slow | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | duh | 03:32 |
| Ronaldo38741 | ? | 03:32 |
| *** BBNS_ has joined #maemo | 03:33 | |
| yuizy | is there an alternative name for 'host' | 03:33 |
| zash | yuizy: name? | 03:33 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 03:33 | |
| *** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS | 03:33 | |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | yuizy: ping ct.de | 03:33 |
| zash | dig @8.8.8.8 ct.de | 03:34 |
| Ronaldo38741 | http://twitpic.com/s0vp1 | 03:34 |
| yuizy | no ping either :E | 03:34 |
| yuizy | no such command i mean | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | name not found, dig not found | 03:34 |
| johnx | nslookup? | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | huh?? | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | 0ing worked here | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | ping even | 03:34 |
| johnx | DocScrutinizer-8, in the sdk or on the device? | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | errr, device | 03:35 |
| *** benh has joined #maemo | 03:35 | |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | sorry | 03:35 |
| yuizy | no nslookup | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | /usr/sbin/* ? | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | i.e. check path? | 03:36 |
| yuizy | i searched the whole fs | 03:38 |
| yuizy | no ping or nslookup or host | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | :-/ | 03:38 |
| *** simula_ has joined #maemo | 03:38 | |
| yuizy | argh | 03:39 |
| yuizy | no ideas? | 03:42 |
| javispedro | did you install fakeroot-net? | 03:42 |
| javispedro | ah, it's with the command line. nothing then. | 03:43 |
| yuizy | yep | 03:43 |
| javispedro | sbox holds a lot of copies of the resolv.conf file | 03:43 |
| *** hardaker2 has joined #maemo | 03:43 | |
| yuizy | and it worked but now i have different network environment | 03:43 |
| javispedro | I suggest you find all of them in /scratchbox and edit them | 03:43 |
| yuizy | ah thanks | 03:43 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, is your new shiny n900 working well ? :P | 03:43 |
| javispedro | yuizy: for example I remember there's one in /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf that the devkit tools use. | 03:44 |
| javispedro | VDVsx: so far, so good :) | 03:44 |
| VDVsx | :) | 03:44 |
| * javispedro is loading nokia maps now | 03:44 | |
| *** BBNS_ has joined #maemo | 03:44 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 03:44 | |
| VDVsx | ugh | 03:44 |
| *** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS | 03:44 | |
| *** nickar has joined #maemo | 03:45 | |
| ShadowJK | 42% battery, 2.5 hours left out of 9 | 03:45 |
| ShadowJK | n900 might just make it | 03:46 |
| javispedro | good luck. | 03:46 |
| javispedro | I really want to wish you good luck :) | 03:46 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 03:46 |
| javispedro | (cause up so far my greatest complain is battery life -- the battery meter was going down just too fast) | 03:46 |
| ShadowJK | i guess there's the risk that it goes 30 - 0 in one big leap :) | 03:47 |
| *** simula_n900 has quit IRC | 03:47 | |
| yuizy | hey now it works | 03:47 |
| yuizy | thanks everyone | 03:47 |
| ShadowJK | I just noticed I have huge scratch in the screen protector (duratec cleartec or something) | 03:47 |
| javispedro | yuizy: so which files you edited? | 03:47 |
| javispedro | we should document this somewhere | 03:48 |
| ShadowJK | big enough to impair readability.. looks like it's caused by finger-scrolling.. | 03:48 |
| yuizy | /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf made it work | 03:48 |
| javispedro | finger sc | 03:48 |
| javispedro | ou | 03:48 |
| javispedro | finger scrolling causing scratches? O.o | 03:48 |
| ShadowJK | maybe i should try the "self-healing" hitec version instead :) | 03:48 |
| yuizy | and then i also changed targets/FREMANTLE_*/etc/resolv.conf | 03:49 |
| ShadowJK | javispedro: the scratches are exactly where i scroll, and same curve/length too | 03:49 |
| *** VDVsx has quit IRC | 03:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | ShadowJK: (battery) on my test the device stayed alive for almost 90 minutes with backlight, on a battery showing 0% charge left | 03:52 |
| javispedro | ouc | 03:53 |
| javispedro | I just realized that the n900 no longer exports the entire drive to g_storage but just a partition | 03:53 |
| javispedro | (thank god I didn't decide to fdisk it) | 03:54 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 03:54 |
| johnx | huh. you should be able to do something like an extended partition, right? | 03:55 |
| johnx | I mean, isn't that how extended partitions work? | 03:55 |
| javispedro | I think not -- I mean, i believe extended partitions don't share the exact same header | 03:55 |
| yuizy | btw is it possible rotate the """""emulator""""" to portrait mode? | 03:55 |
| javispedro | because for example ext partitions don't have the 4 partition limit | 03:55 |
| johnx | very true | 03:55 |
| javispedro | so I guess a fdisk-like program would be confused.. | 03:56 |
| code177 | alright. here's a question | 03:56 |
| javispedro | (most probably, would destroy the partition table :) ) | 03:56 |
| johnx | yuizy, try passing a different resolution to Xephyr | 03:56 |
| *** cure` has quit IRC | 03:56 | |
| code177 | im trying to install a .deb file of my own making on my n900.. it runs perfectly if i run it as root, but i cant run it as the regular user because it doesnt have access to create files in /opt/programname/.. | 03:56 |
| johnx | javispedro, probably just for that one partition though | 03:56 |
| code177 | any ideas? | 03:57 |
| code177 | :/ | 03:57 |
| *** BabelO has quit IRC | 03:57 | |
| johnx | code177, yeah. the user shouldn't create files there | 03:57 |
| code177 | where should the user create files then? | 03:57 |
| javispedro | $HOME | 03:57 |
| johnx | /home/user | 03:57 |
| ShadowJK | what kind of files is oit? | 03:57 |
| johnx | and for bigger files: /home/user/MyDocs | 03:57 |
| ShadowJK | iy* | 03:57 |
| code177 | ok so MyDocs then | 03:57 |
| code177 | right! | 03:57 |
| code177 | thanks.. i'll try that now | 03:57 |
| ShadowJK | what kind of files? | 03:57 |
| *** zerojay has quit IRC | 03:58 | |
| code177 | .db and .png files | 03:58 |
| johnx | generally, user accessible things go in /home/user/MyDocs and settings files go in /home/user/.my-cool-app or similar | 03:58 |
| johnx | keep in mind that /home/user/MyDocs will get pulled out from under your app if the user plugs in to USB and selects mass storage mode | 03:59 |
| code177 | hmm ok | 03:59 |
| *** zerojay has joined #maemo | 03:59 | |
| johnx | ...and also that /home/user/MyDocs is vfat, so you don't get to use permissions | 03:59 |
| code177 | well that's fine.. the less the better in this case | 04:00 |
| code177 | i just need to write image files | 04:00 |
| code177 | lots of them | 04:00 |
| code177 | so i guess ~/MyDocs/.program/ ? | 04:00 |
| johnx | should the user be able to look at them directly? or are they "in progress"? | 04:00 |
| ShadowJK | is there some sort of magic gesture that starts the calendar? because I'm accidentally starting it rather often and I dont know how I' doing that | 04:01 |
| code177 | the user can look at them if they want, if anything that's a benefit | 04:01 |
| johnx | /home/user/MyDocs/.images might be good then | 04:01 |
| code177 | not for this :) | 04:01 |
| johnx | why not? | 04:02 |
| code177 | half the reason i'm doing this is to keep them out of .images ;) | 04:02 |
| javispedro | so the user doesn't want to see them | 04:02 |
| zerojay | code177: What are you trying to do? | 04:02 |
| code177 | hang on let me test this | 04:02 |
| code177 | 2 mins | 04:03 |
| * javispedro kills Nokia Map Loader | 04:03 | |
| javispedro | didn't do anything | 04:03 |
| zerojay | code177: btw, it doesn't matter where your wallpaper files are at... the user WILL see them in the Images program anyway. | 04:03 |
| johnx | hmmm. kinda of a mixed bag. dunno if you really want to start your folder name with a . if you put it in MyDocs. Except for the folders that are already there, I think folders/files beginning with a . won't be visible in file manager | 04:03 |
| johnx | is there a situation where users might want to delete them manually? | 04:04 |
| *** crashanddie_mbp has quit IRC | 04:04 | |
| Ronaldo38741 | I like deleting things | 04:05 |
| code177 | ok building package.. | 04:06 |
| javispedro | you'll like rm | 04:06 |
| code177 | nah 99% of people will be doing things indirectly | 04:06 |
| code177 | that 1% arent going to be stopped by hidden folders | 04:06 |
| johnx | code177, just throwing out a random scenario: say Bob tries the app, makes a whole bunch of pictures, removes the app and wants his space back? | 04:07 |
| johnx | (not really arguing either way, just throwing out random scenarios) | 04:07 |
| Macer | lol | 04:07 |
| code177 | ya I've still gotta figure out how to do the uninstall stuff | 04:07 |
| Macer | i love eureka | 04:07 |
| javispedro | I think it's interesting to put them on .images/Wallpapers or the like | 04:07 |
| Macer | lexa doig is in this one haha | 04:08 |
| code177 | hmm ya maybe | 04:08 |
| johnx | javispedro, depends on if they get indexed in a way he doesn't want them to be | 04:08 |
| code177 | well let's see if this works first | 04:08 |
| javispedro | as zerojay said, they will always be indexed | 04:08 |
| javispedro | and the system wallpapers are indexed so.. | 04:08 |
| code177 | ya im still skeptical about that | 04:09 |
| *** nickar has quit IRC | 04:09 | |
| johnx | well, .hidden directories definitely aren't visible in filemanager | 04:10 |
| *** nickar has joined #maemo | 04:10 | |
| code177 | actually on a completely different brief side topic | 04:10 |
| *** Vratha has quit IRC | 04:10 | |
| johnx | it won't even let you create directories with a . in front, which I guess is a "good thing" | 04:10 |
| code177 | (whilst i do this) | 04:10 |
| code177 | does anyone else find they have a massive craving for sugar after eating carbs? | 04:10 |
| code177 | or is that just me | 04:10 |
| *** Vratha has joined #maemo | 04:10 | |
| Ronaldo38741 | Just you | 04:10 |
| code177 | i just noticed it just then | 04:10 |
| code177 | anyway.. | 04:10 |
| *** nickar has quit IRC | 04:10 | |
| *** vblazquez has quit IRC | 04:11 | |
| johnx | I have a massive craving for beer and nachos...mmm | 04:11 |
| Macer | beer and nachos? hahaha | 04:12 |
| redeeman | i have a craving for bacon | 04:12 |
| code177 | oh jees im retarded.. rebuilt the package without the new files | 04:12 |
| * code177 facepalm | 04:12 | |
| *** apol has quit IRC | 04:13 | |
| *** apol has joined #maemo | 04:13 | |
| *** BBNS_ has joined #maemo | 04:14 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 04:15 | |
| *** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS | 04:15 | |
| Vratha | hi | 04:16 |
| johnx | hallo Vratha | 04:16 |
| Vratha | got my n900 :) now i need to figure out how to install an ssh server on it | 04:17 |
| *** hardaker2 has quit IRC | 04:17 | |
| Vratha | nokia didn't setup any sources in /etc/apt/sources.list | 04:18 |
| johnx | Vratha, go to downloads.maemo.org | 04:18 |
| johnx | search for ssh | 04:18 |
| johnx | click to install (if you surf to it in the device) | 04:18 |
| asidjazz | 0% [Connecting to repository.maemo.org] | 04:18 |
| asidjazz | repos down? | 04:19 |
| * johnx tests | 04:19 | |
| Vratha | johnx: will do. i take it they have instructions up there for adding a deb source? | 04:19 |
| johnx | well if you want to do it manually, you can go to http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 04:20 |
| *** n6pfk has joined #maemo | 04:20 | |
| johnx | but they have a "click to install" file that automagically adds the repo and tells the "app manager" (apt frontend) to apt-get the right thing | 04:20 |
| *** n6pfk has quit IRC | 04:20 | |
| zerojay | code177: It doesn't matter if you make your files hidden or the directory they are in hidden... they will still be indexed and will still show up in Images regardless of what we do. | 04:21 |
| Vratha | johnx: hmm, i will check it out. thanks for the info. if i click to install it'll add a permanent entry into the sources.list? | 04:21 |
| javispedro | Extras is on the device | 04:21 |
| javispedro | just disabled on the app mgr | 04:21 |
| johnx | Vratha, yeah | 04:21 |
| javispedro | so you can go to to the app mgr and go to menu -> repositories/catalogues -> extras -> enable | 04:22 |
| johnx | also, you should listen to javispedro as well. I totally forgot it was already there :) | 04:22 |
| javispedro | (if you don't want to use the web interface) | 04:22 |
| *** user_ has quit IRC | 04:22 | |
| * javispedro is busy merging contacts | 04:22 | |
| Vratha | johnx: sweet! i'll try that first then and go from there. thanks for the links and info | 04:23 |
| javispedro | correlating ten year old SIM card contacts with more recent gtalk+skype contacts is fun stuff | 04:23 |
| * zerojay is busy waiting for Nokia to tell him what to do with his dead N900. :/ | 04:23 | |
| code177 | side question | 04:23 |
| code177 | the cpu monitor widget thing | 04:23 |
| johnx | ugh. had to do that already. now my n900 is the definitive source for all my contacts...and I badly need to figure out a way to get that info imported into evolution on my desktop or something ... | 04:23 |
| code177 | with the little squares | 04:23 |
| arachnist | javispedro: i know the pain | 04:23 |
| code177 | is there something that tells us what those mean? | 04:23 |
| johnx | load-applet? | 04:23 |
| zerojay | left = cpu use, right memory use | 04:24 |
| zerojay | left = cpu use, right = memory use | 04:24 |
| *** n6pfk has joined #maemo | 04:24 | |
| *** luke-jr has quit IRC | 04:24 | |
| *** lorelei^_ has joined #maemo | 04:25 | |
| code177 | thanks :) | 04:25 |
| *** luke-jr has joined #Maemo | 04:25 | |
| code177 | i still have to write up my report on santa clara =s | 04:25 |
| asidjazz | Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk Release.gpg Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org' | 04:25 |
| *** swc|666 has quit IRC | 04:26 | |
| asidjazz | cidjazz@ubuntu:~$ ping repository.maemo.org | 04:26 |
| asidjazz | PING a515.g.akamai.net (207.114.197.94) 56(84) bytes of data. | 04:26 |
| asidjazz | ..? | 04:26 |
| johnx | seems to work here, but different akamai nodes seem to fall over at different times of day :| | 04:26 |
| asidjazz | sigh | 04:27 |
| asidjazz | can i reboot the vm at this point? | 04:27 |
| * code177 <3 n900 | 04:27 | |
| asidjazz | and just /scratchbox/login after i boot up? | 04:27 |
| tadthebuilder | zerojay what happened to kill your n900? | 04:27 |
| johnx | yeah, I think so | 04:27 |
| code177 | you're ahead of the game asidjazz | 04:27 |
| code177 | i was developing for about 6 weeks before i discovered /scratchbox/login lol | 04:27 |
| zerojay | tadthebuilder: I had a prototype, given to me before Summit. Micro USB port solder points broke... so I can't charge it anymore. | 04:28 |
| tadthebuilder | ah | 04:29 |
| Vratha | zerojay: you have a dead n900? was it DOA? | 04:29 |
| tadthebuilder | that would be a problem | 04:29 |
| javispedro | tadthebuilder: and you're not the only with that issue, which is something to worry about... | 04:29 |
| javispedro | errr. | 04:29 |
| javispedro | ^^zerojay | 04:29 |
| *** matt_c has joined #maemo | 04:29 | |
| tadthebuilder | haha | 04:29 |
| tadthebuilder | my issue is no money | 04:29 |
| *** Sir_Lancelot has joined #maemo | 04:29 | |
| zerojay | Vratha: No, I had my N900 for three months or so already. | 04:30 |
| zerojay | javispedro: Yeah, Texrat also... anyone else? | 04:30 |
| javispedro | no one that I know of so far. | 04:30 |
| javispedro | (only texrat) | 04:31 |
| tadthebuilder | is it possible to buy a external charger? | 04:31 |
| tadthebuilder | i know i know | 04:31 |
| tadthebuilder | not a good solution | 04:31 |
| tadthebuilder | but | 04:31 |
| tadthebuilder | ... | 04:31 |
| Sir_Lancelot | Hi there fellows | 04:31 |
| Sir_Lancelot | :) | 04:31 |
| zerojay | That's only half the problem fixed. | 04:31 |
| javispedro | yes, one using microwaves to recharge the battery | 04:31 |
| javispedro | or magic | 04:31 |
| *** Oli`` has joined #maemo | 04:32 | |
| Pavlov | keeping track of power microusb power cables seems to be a full time job | 04:32 |
| tadthebuilder | what would be the other half | 04:32 |
| asidjazz | johnx: so repository.maemo.org is up for you? | 04:32 |
| johnx | asidjazz, yeah. just downloaded from it | 04:32 |
| johnx | is the web page up for you at http://repository.maemo.org ? | 04:33 |
| Sir_Lancelot | does anyone know a couple of webpages where I can search for apps for n900? | 04:33 |
| Sir_Lancelot | :D | 04:33 |
| asidjazz | johnx: how come i can ping it via another shell? | 04:33 |
| jebba | asidjazz: i got 30k/sec downloading the kernel sources.... | 04:33 |
| johnx | Sir_Lancelot, http://downloads.maemo.org | 04:33 |
| asidjazz | johnx: maybe my file in /etc/ file is messed up | 04:33 |
| asidjazz | sources.list | 04:33 |
| Pavlov | wish i could make the n900 pull more power over usb | 04:33 |
| Oli`` | My power converter (nokia->microusb) just started squeaking (!!) after being in the phone for an hour or so... Is that normal/hilarious/dangerous? | 04:33 |
| *** user_ has joined #maemo | 04:33 | |
| Sir_Lancelot | it's ok Oli | 04:33 |
| Sir_Lancelot | don't worry | 04:34 |
| johnx | like, it squeaks while sitting there, plugged in? or squeaks when you remove it? | 04:34 |
| javispedro | and also please rate the intensity of the sound :) | 04:34 |
| Oli`` | Just when it's having power sucked through it | 04:34 |
| ShadowJK | squeaks plugged in | 04:34 |
| ShadowJK | mine does that too sometimes | 04:34 |
| johnx | aaah, like the transformer in the power brick makes a high pitched "screaming" sound, or the N900 makes the sound? | 04:35 |
| Sir_Lancelot | seems like you guys have a n900 | 04:35 |
| Oli`` | Very low volume, high-pitched squeak that sort of oscillates in volume. Hard to describe other than to say: it's a bit like having a cricket in your room | 04:35 |
| ShadowJK | the converter make high-ish pitched sound | 04:35 |
| johnx | Sir_Lancelot, guilty as charged | 04:35 |
| Sir_Lancelot | that's great, because I would like to make a couple of questions, as I'm about to buy one | 04:35 |
| Sir_Lancelot | :P | 04:35 |
| *** lorelei^ has quit IRC | 04:35 | |
| Sir_Lancelot | and throw my HTc HD2 to the garbage can | 04:36 |
| Sir_Lancelot | :D | 04:36 |
| johnx | Sir_Lancelot, alright. ask away :) | 04:36 |
| ShadowJK | what's wrong with hd2 btw? | 04:36 |
| Sir_Lancelot | but before, I need to know those things that usually the reviews neve rmention | 04:36 |
| asidjazz | johnx: im wondering if mybe my scratchbox shell is lacking internet | 04:36 |
| Pavlov | Sir_Lancelot: you can send your hd2 this way ;) | 04:36 |
| Pavlov | i almost like mine, will take another;) | 04:36 |
| johnx | asidjazz, ah. that's very possible. or at least lacking DNS | 04:36 |
| Sir_Lancelot | HD2 is sllugish my friend... | 04:36 |
| asidjazz | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > /sbin/ifconfig | 04:36 |
| asidjazz | SIOCGIFCONF: Bad address | 04:36 |
| asidjazz | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > | 04:36 |
| Sir_Lancelot | huge hardware, but software is still shit.. | 04:36 |
| Sir_Lancelot | after all this time, it's still shit... | 04:37 |
| Pavlov | windows mobile? | 04:37 |
| Pavlov | what do you expect? | 04:37 |
| Sir_Lancelot | a miracle | 04:37 |
| Sir_Lancelot | :D | 04:37 |
| Pavlov | give it some more time | 04:37 |
| Sir_Lancelot | well....I was naive...I admit it... | 04:37 |
| Sir_Lancelot | :D | 04:37 |
| *** GiantTalkingCow has joined #maemo | 04:37 | |
| Pavlov | they need to upgrade the kernel, to at least the ce6 one | 04:37 |
| Sir_Lancelot | yeah | 04:37 |
| Pavlov | the hw on the hd2 is great though | 04:38 |
| Pavlov | the screen looks and feels great | 04:38 |
| asidjazz | johnx: how can i check w/ no ping or telnet :) | 04:38 |
| johnx | the N900 has huge potential, and it does a lot of things great already, but don't buy it based on what you think it might do or assume that it has some app just because android or WinMo have it | 04:38 |
| Sir_Lancelot | it's amazing ... not even this huge cpu solves the problem... | 04:38 |
| Pavlov | the camera sticking out is a little weird | 04:38 |
| javispedro | asidjazz: you are doing dangerous things. If you have DNS problems check out a discussion we had like an hour ago | 04:38 |
| Pavlov | Sir_Lancelot: it makes a pretty big different | 04:38 |
| Sir_Lancelot | I'm more business focus | 04:38 |
| Pavlov | the hd2 is much faster than most winmo devices | 04:38 |
| johnx | Sir_Lancelot, so you need exchange sync (or whatever it's called)? | 04:39 |
| Sir_Lancelot | I need a device with good funcionality on what business is concerned | 04:39 |
| Sir_Lancelot | yes | 04:39 |
| Sir_Lancelot | but not only | 04:39 |
| * ShadowJK doubts n900 is for you | 04:39 | |
| Sir_Lancelot | I need to sync all taks, calendar, contacts and so on from Outlook...via cable | 04:39 |
| johnx | it works pretty well with exchange 2007, but not 2003 or google (from what I've heard) | 04:39 |
| Sir_Lancelot | not via exchange | 04:39 |
| johnx | aaah, I have no idea about syncing directly to outlook | 04:40 |
| johnx | that might be a no-go | 04:40 |
| Pavlov | johnx: yeah, it only supports the latest AS protocol | 04:40 |
| Sir_Lancelot | does it sync via cable? | 04:40 |
| javispedro | does it sync? | 04:40 |
| Pavlov | does pc suite do it? | 04:40 |
| javispedro | all I got from pc suite was garbage | 04:40 |
| asidjazz | javispedro: how can i make sure its dns | 04:40 |
| javispedro | asidjazz: it is a resolve error isn't it? | 04:40 |
| asidjazz | n/m found it | 04:41 |
| asidjazz | i duno but i have odd ip's in /etc/resolv.conf im gonna fix | 04:41 |
| Dyresen | dig <hostname here> usualy gives you all dns info you want | 04:41 |
| Sir_Lancelot | not only I need it to sync direclty all the shit with Outlook, I also need it so make all rmeoinders and alarms of it | 04:41 |
| johnx | Sir_Lancelot, you very well might be out of luck | 04:41 |
| Sir_Lancelot | if it makes this, I'll buy it tomorrow | 04:41 |
| Sir_Lancelot | noooooooooooo | 04:41 |
| Sir_Lancelot | :( | 04:41 |
| javispedro | yeah, the calendar is semiuseless for power-calendar-users | 04:41 |
| asidjazz | hmm that didnt fix it | 04:42 |
| Sir_Lancelot | why? | 04:42 |
| asidjazz | javispedro: i dont konw if its a resolve or a netowrk error | 04:42 |
| javispedro | so I'd guess it would be totally useless for power-calendar-business-users | 04:42 |
| johnx | javispedro, works pretty well with invites sent from iCal users. heh | 04:42 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 04:42 | |
| johnx | but yeah, the PIM is still a little "light" | 04:42 |
| javispedro | johnx: and from what I've seen i'll will be mostly fine with it -- but it has lest features than the original 1991 palmos one | 04:42 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 04:43 | |
| johnx | PalmOS in 1991? | 04:43 |
| javispedro | bah | 04:43 |
| Sir_Lancelot | what do you mean by light PIM? | 04:43 |
| javispedro | you'll make me check the date now | 04:43 |
| Sir_Lancelot | no appointment support? | 04:43 |
| johnx | pretty light on features | 04:43 |
| Sir_Lancelot | no alarms? | 04:43 |
| Sir_Lancelot | no cable sync with outlook? | 04:44 |
| Sir_Lancelot | no taks? | 04:44 |
| Sir_Lancelot | no notes? | 04:44 |
| johnx | it has alarms, and events, but no direct sync with outlook AFAIK | 04:44 |
| johnx | lots of good notes apps actually | 04:44 |
| Sir_Lancelot | shiiiiiiiitttttttttttttttttttttttt | 04:44 |
| javispedro | alarms hardcoded to at most 15 minutes before the event | 04:44 |
| johnx | that's where it really shines | 04:44 |
| asidjazz | johnx: where is the thread that talks about dns/netowrk issues w/ scratchbox | 04:44 |
| asidjazz | is this normal : | 04:44 |
| asidjazz | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > /sbin/ifconfig | 04:44 |
| asidjazz | SIOCGIFCONF: Bad address | 04:44 |
| Pavlov | winmo is where you're going to have the best sync with outlook | 04:44 |
| johnx | asidjazz, sorry. I have no idea. I don't use scratchbox | 04:44 |
| Pavlov | period | 04:44 |
| Sir_Lancelot | with previous S60 devices | 04:44 |
| Sir_Lancelot | I had the same funcionality as with WinMo | 04:45 |
| johnx | Maemo is as different from S60 as S60 is from PalmOS4 | 04:45 |
| asidjazz | sigh | 04:45 |
| Sir_Lancelot | that's why I ike it so much | 04:45 |
| asidjazz | johnx: you mean you hvaent messed w/ the sdk? or theres an alternative to sbox? | 04:45 |
| Sir_Lancelot | don't understand why business devices can't be ebntertaining as well | 04:46 |
| javispedro | asidjazz: you're trying to change your host ip stack settings using an armel binary from another operating system era | 04:46 |
| *** crashanddie_mbp has joined #maemo | 04:46 | |
| Sir_Lancelot | for exmaple: great device...lot of apps and so on...but for business, it sucks big time! | 04:46 |
| johnx | it's an N series. so I guess Nokia is pushing it towards non-business people, and keeping S60 for business | 04:46 |
| javispedro | (yes I consider debian sarge THAT old) | 04:46 |
| crashanddie_mbp | aww | 04:47 |
| Sir_Lancelot | stupid people....why can't a business phone, be fun as well? | 04:47 |
| crashanddie_mbp | don't badmouth the sarge | 04:47 |
| johnx | Sir_Lancelot, huh. which one? | 04:47 |
| Sir_Lancelot | I'm criticising iphone | 04:47 |
| Sir_Lancelot | which is a nice device | 04:47 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 04:47 | |
| Sir_Lancelot | tons of fun apps and so on | 04:47 |
| Sir_Lancelot | but in the end, for business, it sucks | 04:48 |
| johnx | asidjazz, haven't messed with it since diablo or chinook or something. I don't package for maemo anymore. It was pushing my sanity to close to breaking. But, let me see if I can dig up the thread on talk.maemo.org, though you'd probably have the same luck as me ... | 04:48 |
| Sir_Lancelot | and seems like n900 is following the same path | 04:48 |
| javispedro | it's called "following the masses" | 04:48 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 04:48 | |
| javispedro | just keep exploiting wince until it dies | 04:48 |
| javispedro | then get used to the basically lower-featured alternatives | 04:48 |
| johnx | Sir_Lancelot, I'm not sure if it's following the same path. Maemo ends up with better PIM every release. Maemo 4 didn't have a calendar ... at all | 04:48 |
| javispedro | and try to make the best with the rest of the features :) | 04:49 |
| johnx | (or at least not one from Nokia. plenty of interesting 3rd party stuff) | 04:49 |
| Sir_Lancelot | aren't there any 3rd party PIM for n900? | 04:50 |
| javispedro | there are, but none of them really are up to what you're asking | 04:50 |
| johnx | not yet | 04:50 |
| johnx | been out for like a week so far | 04:50 |
| javispedro | well there's GPE already | 04:50 |
| johnx | oops. totally forgot that was on maemo 5 already | 04:51 |
| johnx | (even though I saw it in the repo) | 04:51 |
| javispedro | i was trying to get it until I decided the builtin calendar would do for now :) | 04:51 |
| johnx | but yeah, making a calendar that syncs with outlook isn't what free-software hackers tend to do in their down-time :) | 04:51 |
| *** ersin has joined #maemo | 04:51 | |
| ersin | hi all | 04:51 |
| johnx | allo ersin | 04:52 |
| arachnist | too bad google servers don't implement exchange properly. "mail would be more useful" | 04:52 |
| ersin | does anyone have any debian rules files experience? | 04:52 |
| javispedro | gnite :) | 04:52 |
| ersin | or makefile experience i guess? | 04:52 |
| arachnist | mail for exchange"* | 04:52 |
| johnx | ersin, a bit | 04:52 |
| *** javispedro has quit IRC | 04:52 | |
| *** AakashN900 has left #maemo | 04:53 | |
| *** Tyrant91101 has joined #maemo | 04:53 | |
| *** AakashN900 has joined #maemo | 04:53 | |
| johnx | asidjazz, uhm. from outside scratchbox, look at /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf | 04:53 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 04:53 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 04:53 | |
| ersin | johnx: i'm trying to compile a program that requires libtool 2.2, whereas the scratchbox diablo version is older...so, ideally i'd like to make a new package for it, but scratchbox won't overwrite its dev tools since it stores them outside of the environment...thus, i'm trying to figure out how to set the PATH within the debian rules file while running configure | 04:54 |
| * Arkenoi have seen just one mobile PIM that was powerful "enough", Agendus, and PalmOS version only, wm was different and worse | 04:54 | |
| johnx | ersin, can you just call whatever utility you need with the full path name? (kind of a hack, I realize) | 04:55 |
| *** GiantTalkingCow has quit IRC | 04:55 | |
| ersin | johnx: eh not really, it's more like autoconf requires a certain libtool m4 macro that doesn't exist in maemo's version of libtool | 04:56 |
| johnx | Arkenoi, yeah. I think I started on like PalmOS 3.x (whichever one supported color), getting used to the PIM and then being totally shocked when everything after that was worse | 04:56 |
| ersin | johnx: hmm actually i just ran "which libtool", and now i'm wondering if i just compiled a new version with --prefix=/targets/links/arch_tools/bin as opposed to --prefix=/bin... | 04:57 |
| johnx | ersin, so maybe I'm being dumb, but can you just call libtool explicitly when you need it? or maybe include the macro (.m4 file, right?) in the top directory of the source package? | 04:57 |
| jebba | what is the "upstream" for the n900 kernel? I assume they aren't just working directly on vanilla 2.6.28. Is there some ARM git repo or something they track? | 04:57 |
| hotaru2k3 | does garnetvm work on maemo 5? | 04:57 |
| Arkenoi | johnx: that always make me wonder: PIM is the thing that is most important for mobile devices and it is so poorly implemented and has just basic functionality everywhere | 04:58 |
| johnx | jebba, probably linux-omap | 04:58 |
| asidjazz | johnx: you rule | 04:58 |
| johnx | Arkenoi, I get the feeling that it doesn't sell devices or at least marketing thinks it doesn't | 04:58 |
| johnx | or maybe no one has any idea what "good PIM" is these days | 04:58 |
| ersin | johnx: probably including the macro would be alright, but it feels like a major hack...what if upstream changes and requires a new version of the macro? i'd have to update each time | 04:58 |
| johnx | Arkenoi, but yeah, it's kind of a weird situation... | 04:58 |
| jebba | because it has patches to things like reiserfs, and i doubt they are bothering with thigns like that, so some upstream is likely changing that and they are inheriting it. | 04:58 |
| ersin | johnx: i mean all the solutions will be hacks, unless i figure out a way to overwrite scratchbox's default dev tools | 04:59 |
| asidjazz | nokia maps is the slowest app ive ever seen on anything ever | 04:59 |
| Arkenoi | john: i've heared quite popular opinion that agendus was "overwhelmed with useless functions" :-/ | 05:00 |
| johnx | ersin, if you overwrite scratchbox's dev tools you might be in for a lot more pain than just copying a .m4 in place (or it might work with no problem. who knows? :) ) | 05:00 |
| Sir_Lancelot | I have the same feeling johnx...PIM is not having the same attention from the manufacturers, as they used to have.. | 05:00 |
| ersin | johnx: fair 'nuff =) i'll try that, thanks | 05:00 |
| johnx | well, they're phones or handhelds or internet talbets now, not personal digital assistants | 05:00 |
| *** ferdna has quit IRC | 05:01 | |
| Arkenoi | asidjazz, that probably means you never owned a 9k series communicator before ;-) | 05:01 |
| Sir_Lancelot | with the hardware they are having, they could be all those | 05:01 |
| johnx | ersin, I don't usually encourage hacks when there's a reasonable fix. but playing around with scratchbox is a deep rabbit hole :) | 05:01 |
| johnx | Sir_Lancelot, it's not the hardware, and you of all people should know that :P | 05:01 |
| *** koan has quit IRC | 05:02 | |
| *** koan has joined #maemo | 05:02 | |
| johnx | asidjazz, working for you now? | 05:03 |
| johnx | hotaru2k3, actually, I know it's not officially available...but it *might* with some hacking | 05:04 |
| johnx | anyone here played with funambol before? | 05:06 |
| *** type_t has joined #maemo | 05:06 | |
| *** Ronaldo38741 has quit IRC | 05:08 | |
| AakashN900 | is there an app in extras or something to look at the fronht cam | 05:08 |
| johnx | mirror | 05:08 |
| AakashN900 | what repo | 05:09 |
| AakashN900 | devel? | 05:09 |
| johnx | maybe? | 05:09 |
| Sir_Lancelot | another question: how is 3rd party software going for maemo? | 05:09 |
| redeeman | i think just extras | 05:09 |
| redeeman | Sir_Lancelot: i've written a simple application maemo lacks: a stopwatch | 05:09 |
| *** type_t has quit IRC | 05:09 | |
| johnx | Sir_Lancelot, pretty good, IMHO :) | 05:10 |
| Sir_Lancelot | are previous maemo versions apps supported by maemo 5? | 05:10 |
| johnx | redeeman, I just used it the other day | 05:10 |
| johnx | Sir_Lancelot, through some minor reworking, but not directly | 05:10 |
| AakashN900 | ah yea in extras | 05:10 |
| redeeman | johnx: do you know what will happen with maemo 6? since its gonna be mainly Qt, are they gonna remove support for the old sh**, or keep it around? | 05:10 |
| Sir_Lancelot | are there any good forums and so on...a community for meamos like there is the Xda for WinMo devices? | 05:11 |
| *** type_t has joined #maemo | 05:11 | |
| johnx | redeeman, I think the gtk stuff will be "community supported," so ... dunno how that will end up | 05:11 |
| hotaru2k3 | anyone here use usb networking on an n810? | 05:11 |
| redeeman | im kinda hoping it will be moved into something optional | 05:11 |
| AakashN900 | ah yea in extras | 05:11 |
| AakashN900 | what the hell | 05:11 |
| AakashN900 | its sooo blurry | 05:11 |
| johnx | Sir_Lancelot, almost everything maemo is on maemo.org right now | 05:11 |
| AakashN900 | why is it this horrid? | 05:12 |
| johnx | talk.maemo.org for forums, downloads.maemo.org for apps, and now we have maemo.org/support | 05:12 |
| Sir_Lancelot | tomorrow I'm gonna search some stores where I can try the device | 05:12 |
| Sir_Lancelot | check those PIM limitations that you mention | 05:13 |
| AakashN900 | johnx is this normal? | 05:13 |
| Sir_Lancelot | and find out if I can live with them, with the expectation that they will be overcome in the future | 05:13 |
| AakashN900 | for such an awful image quality? | 05:13 |
| johnx | AakashN900, dunno. never used the front camera. did you clean your screen before using it? :) | 05:13 |
| AakashN900 | yeah lol | 05:14 |
| AakashN900 | i mean this is *horrible* | 05:14 |
| johnx | Sir_Lancelot, you will be very disappointed if you think someone will write a PIM that syncs to Outlook | 05:14 |
| redeeman | im a tad disappointed in the imap support | 05:14 |
| johnx | AakashN900, yeah. it's for little "postage stamp" sized video chat, not photography | 05:15 |
| redeeman | for instance, it won't save sent messages on the server, and it won't show my folders (possibly because they are in the INBOX. namespace) | 05:16 |
| redeeman | that's really my only complaints | 05:16 |
| *** ersin has quit IRC | 05:16 | |
| johnx | won't save sent on the server? weird. I think mine is doing that without me even setting anything | 05:16 |
| redeeman | probably because my sent folder is in that namespace then | 05:16 |
| redeeman | my imap server is dovecot, which is one of the few imap servers that's actually 100% compliant | 05:17 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 05:17 | |
| arachnist | http://qdb.us/299740 <| did that happen here? ;> | 05:17 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 05:17 | |
| redeeman | haha | 05:17 |
| johnx | was just setting up dovecot the other day. I think there are plenty of options for configuring the namespace stuff | 05:17 |
| *** type_t has quit IRC | 05:18 | |
| redeeman | yes but i have already configured that, and now i cannot change it or other connecting clients are gonna go baserk :) | 05:18 |
| jebba | new ofono release :) | 05:18 |
| redeeman | johnx: namespace private { prefix = INBOX. inbox = yes } i think this is what makes it not be happy | 05:19 |
| redeeman | johnx: another dude inhere told me his did not save sent mails on server aswell | 05:20 |
| *** type_t has joined #maemo | 05:20 | |
| johnx | huh. well let me test it then. I thought I was seeing them, but maybe that's from other clients I use with this account | 05:20 |
| redeeman | if theres some magic i can do to fix this without breaking the config for other clients it would be great | 05:21 |
| johnx | yup. positive that it's working with gmail | 05:22 |
| johnx | but I do seem to have *3* "Sent" folders | 05:22 |
| redeeman | interresting | 05:23 |
| johnx | one of them is from my N800 w/ modest. One is from gmail's webmail interface and one is from my N900 | 05:23 |
| redeeman | i could live with that though | 05:23 |
| *** brbrbr has joined #maemo | 05:24 | |
| johnx | maybe let the N900 keep them in a non-namespace folder? (probably showing my ignorance of IMAP here) | 05:25 |
| redeeman | they arent on the server, fgrepped the entire maildir | 05:25 |
| johnx | could the server be refusing to let the N900 create some folder outside the namespace? | 05:26 |
| redeeman | quite possibly | 05:26 |
| *** GiantTalkingCow has joined #maemo | 05:27 | |
| Sir_Lancelot | I'm hopping that NOKIA will improve PIM features on further firmware releases... | 05:27 |
| johnx | Sir_Lancelot, so were N8x0 owners | 05:27 |
| Sir_Lancelot | you really don't we to encourage me don't you? | 05:28 |
| Sir_Lancelot | :d | 05:28 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 05:28 | |
| johnx | I'm "managing expectations" :P | 05:28 |
| asidjazz | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/nokia-binaries/4bc37c7c77ebe90177c050b805a8dc79/nokia-binaries/m/maemo-af-desktop-l10n/maemo-af-desktop-l10n-itit_6.0+r7237+0m5_all.deb Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer) [IP: 207.114.197.95 80] | 05:28 |
| redeeman | its not as if it would be hard to improve stuff ALOT | 05:28 |
| asidjazz | should i care? | 05:28 |
| johnx | better that you're thrilled later when against all odds they fix things than totally pissed off later because I didn't tell you the whole truth now | 05:29 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 05:29 | |
| johnx | also: stop hopping or you'll wake up the people downstairs :D | 05:29 |
| johnx | redeeman, I'm digging into the way it syncs stuff right now actually. I'm quite interested :) | 05:30 |
| redeeman | theres lots of minor things that i think could easily be made better, but theres no way im touching any gtk stuff, and im not sure that stuff is opensource | 05:30 |
| redeeman | oh also | 05:30 |
| redeeman | it didn't wanna fetch my contacts from my SE phone via bluetooth | 05:30 |
| johnx | yeah. I made the mistake of adding some contacts, then syncing from my SIM later | 05:31 |
| *** micm has joined #maemo | 05:31 | |
| luke-jr | #FreeHandheld ftw | 05:31 |
| Sir_Lancelot | but, if n900 uses PC Suite to sync | 05:32 |
| redeeman | johnx: well atleast the contact thing could import vcards | 05:32 |
| Sir_Lancelot | why doesn't it sync outlook then? | 05:32 |
| johnx | luke-jr, riiight then | 05:32 |
| luke-jr | johnx: you gotta admit, there IS a market that wants a free software handheld/phone | 05:32 |
| johnx | Sir_Lancelot, uhm. not disagreeing, but why would it sync to outlook just because it syncs to PC suite? | 05:32 |
| redeeman | pc suite might do it? | 05:33 |
| johnx | luke-jr, yup. and many of them are willing to compromise, while some of them are totally obstinate. The obstinate ones are still stuck without cell phones | 05:33 |
| Sir_Lancelot | if not ith Outlook, then with what would Pc suite sync then? | 05:33 |
| luke-jr | johnx: and the company that satisfies the obstinate ones will earn a market to themselves | 05:33 |
| *** user_ has quit IRC | 05:34 | |
| redeeman | it just doesn't seem as though nokia is fully comitted to N900 | 05:34 |
| luke-jr | johnx: also, your terms are flawed, as "free software handheld" is itself a compromise | 05:34 |
| johnx | redeeman, ah. that would be interesting, but I have no way to test either of those things here :) | 05:34 |
| redeeman | johnx: i imported my contacts by transferring them from my SE phone to my workstation via bluetooth and kmobiletools, then i obex sent the file to my N900, which imported it | 05:35 |
| redeeman | it also appears to have export capability | 05:35 |
| redeeman | something the calender applications lacks | 05:35 |
| johnx | luke-jr, yes. they will earn a market full of cheap, zealots who will probably put them on gplviolations.org at the slightest transgression. and instead of creating interesting apps they'll port 10 different linux distros to the device, none of them finished enough to be interesting to "normal" users in any way. Any of that sound familiar? | 05:36 |
| luke-jr | johnx: free software supporters are not necessarily cheap | 05:36 |
| luke-jr | and no, it doesn't sound familiar because nobody has ever made such a device | 05:36 |
| johnx | openmoko? zaurus? | 05:36 |
| redeeman | i think you will find that if someone made a fully open thing, i would shell down FAR more money than i have given nokia for the N900 | 05:37 |
| johnx | redeeman, would you shell out the cash even without finished software? | 05:37 |
| crashanddie_mbp | well, unless you're willing to give a few million dollars, they're going to need more incentive than one lonely bloke with a good credit card rating | 05:37 |
| redeeman | that depends on what the state is, i need it to work, i don't mind if its not "user ready" | 05:38 |
| luke-jr | johnx: you know very well Zaurus was the exact opposite of a free software handheld | 05:38 |
| redeeman | because i can and would fix most of that | 05:38 |
| luke-jr | johnx: OpenMoko doesn't fit my definition of handheld | 05:38 |
| crashanddie_mbp | then get to work on the N900 | 05:38 |
| crashanddie_mbp | it's on open platform, you can fix most of the things people are complaining about -- get coding | 05:38 |
| johnx | luke-jr, and yet, in its own lifetime the zaurus had a fully open 2.6 kernel | 05:38 |
| crashanddie_mbp | or pick up on starting to port mer to the N900 | 05:38 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie_mbp: it's not open, no | 05:38 |
| redeeman | crashanddie_mbp: arent most of the applications on the n900 closed still? | 05:38 |
| luke-jr | johnx: you mean long past its lifetime | 05:38 |
| johnx | luke-jr, no I actually don't | 05:39 |
| redeeman | also, arent those applications dying, aka, gonna be replaced with brand new Qt ones in maemo 6? | 05:39 |
| luke-jr | redeeman: the apps aren't the problem, the drivers are | 05:39 |
| *** type_t has left #maemo | 05:39 | |
| johnx | it had 2.6 before the 770, unless I'm quite mistaken | 05:39 |
| luke-jr | johnx: and? | 05:39 |
| asidjazz | any1 here have hte sdk properly setup? | 05:40 |
| asidjazz | via the faq? | 05:40 |
| asidjazz | err tutorial? | 05:40 |
| crashanddie_mbp | asidjazz: no, it fails | 05:40 |
| crashanddie_mbp | asidjazz: you talking about the af-sb-init.sh start failing with massive segfaults and whatnot? | 05:40 |
| johnx | luke-jr, and it ended up with like 4-5 unfinished distros, then sputtered out. The openmoko ended up exactly the same way. Do you think that's a coincidence? | 05:40 |
| asidjazz | crashanddie_mbp: i dont even hvae af-sb-init.sh from the nokia binaries install | 05:41 |
| crashanddie_mbp | asidjazz: oh, so you were just unlucky with the servers, run the scripts again | 05:41 |
| asidjazz | i am | 05:41 |
| Sir_Lancelot | well guys, it's 3:41 a.m here | 05:41 |
| Sir_Lancelot | have a nice day/night | 05:41 |
| Sir_Lancelot | see you later | 05:41 |
| johnx | you too | 05:41 |
| Sir_Lancelot | [[]] | 05:41 |
| luke-jr | johnx: 2.6 was only even half working after the Zaurus was a dead product | 05:41 |
| luke-jr | OpenMoko suffered from closed (firmware) components, IIRC | 05:42 |
| *** Sir_Lancelot has quit IRC | 05:42 | |
| johnx | "suffered"? is that why people made like 5 different non-finished distros? | 05:42 |
| jebba | johnx: doesnt appear to be based on linux-omap 2.6.28, as that has more recent changes than what is in nokia's linux-2.6.28 (e.g. in likely irrelevant places, such as reiserfs) | 05:42 |
| *** herz1 has joined #maemo | 05:43 | |
| luke-jr | johnx: if I need to write all the userland software myself, I can. | 05:43 |
| luke-jr | johnx: all I want is a decent hardware platform I can use | 05:43 |
| johnx | jebba, huh. that's somewhat interesting. let me dig for a sec | 05:43 |
| jebba | i was just using this change for a reference a9dd364358fbdc68faee5d20c2d648c320dc3cf0 | 05:44 |
| redeeman | it also seems to me nokia somehow screwed up really bad on only having 256mb ram on the n900 | 05:44 |
| *** herzi has quit IRC | 05:44 | |
| johnx | luke-jr, companies need to subsidize production costs. They do that by having a slightly wider target demo than "totally obsessed open source zealots" | 05:44 |
| luke-jr | redeeman: afaik, it's not even possible to have more than 256 MB RAM on OMAP3 | 05:44 |
| redeeman | that would explain that then | 05:44 |
| *** BBNS_ has joined #maemo | 05:45 | |
| redeeman | im also somewhat surprised at how much ram the n900 is using | 05:45 |
| luke-jr | johnx: those who don't care certainly won't mind the openness | 05:45 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 05:45 | |
| *** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS | 05:45 | |
| johnx | versions of the OMAP3 PoC w/ 512MB are a very recent occurrence | 05:45 |
| luke-jr | johnx: and by closing parts, they cut off some of the best developers | 05:45 |
| luke-jr | johnx: plus, none of these compromise-of-a-compromise platforms have finished *one* half-complete OS either | 05:45 |
| luke-jr | 5 half-complete distros is better than barely 1 | 05:46 |
| johnx | luke-jr, those who don't care about openness, do care about having a working device. So far I haven't seen a device that's both open and working out-of-the-box. And I've seen it too many times to call it a coincidence | 05:46 |
| *** n6pfkk has joined #maemo | 05:46 | |
| *** pcfe has quit IRC | 05:46 | |
| redeeman | johnx: the problem is that nobody makes the hardware | 05:46 |
| redeeman | johnx: and i don't just mean put together the specific product | 05:47 |
| luke-jr | johnx: SmartQ and OpenMoko are the only open devices I know of, and SmartQ works fine AFAIK. So that's 1 of 2 | 05:47 |
| *** pcfe has joined #maemo | 05:47 | |
| johnx | luke-jr, uh huh. your version of "works" and mine are quite different | 05:47 |
| *** n6pfk has quit IRC | 05:48 | |
| *** fredrin_ has quit IRC | 05:48 | |
| luke-jr | johnx: not a single company has built a handheld hardware platform with open drivers, and put up a bounty contest for an OS | 05:48 |
| johnx | ah. yup | 05:49 |
| redeeman | or atleast freely available hardware documentation | 05:49 |
| luke-jr | by that I mean, a bounty of the usual software development budget, with minimum requirements and the company selecting from candidates that make that requirement | 05:49 |
| luke-jr | then shipping the production device with the winning OS | 05:49 |
| johnx | luke-jr, no handheld company, but how about the Neuros guys? | 05:49 |
| jebba | hmm. i'm looking at the kernel source to this thing. looks pretty damn open to me. | 05:49 |
| luke-jr | johnx: IIRC that wasn't open either | 05:49 |
| johnx | it was more open than closed | 05:50 |
| luke-jr | johnx: I know one of their lead developers personally. | 05:50 |
| redeeman | jebba: how about the driver for the powervr sgx? | 05:50 |
| luke-jr | jebba: not all drivers are in the kernel | 05:50 |
| johnx | the kernel part is open. the userspace libgl is closed | 05:50 |
| luke-jr | jebba: Nokia likes to make thin userland wrappers | 05:50 |
| jebba | use it in VESA mode :) | 05:51 |
| redeeman | johnx: which effectively makes it impossible to use without their nonfree blobs | 05:51 |
| luke-jr | jebba: if you remove all the closed software, the N900 will not be able to charge its battery, do 3D or video acceleration, and probably not GPS or phone | 05:51 |
| AakashN900 | could i just take libpidgin-facebook and crosscompile it for arm and install it on the phone and my conversations app will get facebook chat? | 05:51 |
| johnx | redeeman, very true | 05:51 |
| luke-jr | redeeman: you can live without 3D perhaps, but not without battery charging | 05:51 |
| redeeman | johnx: when theres even a single of such thing, that will totally destroy what the free software people might do | 05:51 |
| redeeman | johnx: that THAT is why not a single device has succeeded | 05:52 |
| luke-jr | AakashN900: no, because N900 doesn't use crappy Pidgin stuff AFAIK | 05:52 |
| johnx | redeeman, which is why linux didn't get going until every mobo maker open sourced their BIOS? | 05:52 |
| jebba | exactly. | 05:52 |
| crashanddie_mbp | guys | 05:53 |
| crashanddie_mbp | get the fuck out with the trolling and arguing | 05:53 |
| redeeman | johnx: fortunately that cannot be compared, the bios inits stuff and turns over control to linux, in my example we have to suffer constantly through the closed crap | 05:53 |
| luke-jr | johnx: bad logic. | 05:53 |
| luke-jr | johnx: notice I didn't list NOLO | 05:53 |
| redeeman | crashanddie_mbp: theres no trolling, this is a discussion | 05:53 |
| jebba | crashanddie_mbp: do you know offhand which kernel source nokia uses for upstream? johnx suggested linux-omap, but that didn't quite seem to be it AFAICT. | 05:53 |
| luke-jr | jebba: AFAIK, N900 dev is probably from mainline | 05:54 |
| crashanddie_mbp | not off-hand | 05:54 |
| crashanddie_mbp | but I have it in an email somewhere, lemme check | 05:54 |
| asidjazz | crashanddie_mbp: dang dood i tihnk its working for me | 05:55 |
| asidjazz | it started up | 05:55 |
| asidjazz | i clicked apps | 05:55 |
| asidjazz | shows apps | 05:55 |
| jebba | :) | 05:55 |
| johnx | ok, so let's do something more constructive: let's say I'll give you the point that having source to all the drivers is better in some way: What do you do to encourage hackers to move one distro for a handheld forward instead of fracturing into 5 different ones? | 05:55 |
| luke-jr | johnx: you say that as if the fracturing is a bad thing | 05:56 |
| johnx | luke-jr, it depends on how many resources you have | 05:56 |
| johnx | resources being hacker/hours :) | 05:56 |
| luke-jr | johnx: some hackers cannot work closely with each other | 05:57 |
| luke-jr | the fractured distros eases that tension | 05:57 |
| asidjazz | the _HACKERS_ | 05:57 |
| luke-jr | yet at the same time, the distros can (somewhat) collaborate and share stuff | 05:57 |
| johnx | and yet, maemo is the most cohesive group of hackers I've seen working on handheld stuff | 05:57 |
| luke-jr | though I guess that might be compromised if they're all competing for a bounty | 05:57 |
| * Arkenoi had a strong impression that it was a certification requirement for a gsm handset to be closed source and have restricted api not allowing user to send/recieve arbitrary frames over the radio | 05:58 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer-8 has quit IRC | 05:58 | |
| luke-jr | really? I don't know anyone outside Nokia working on Maemo | 05:58 |
| luke-jr | last I checked community was mainly working on Mer | 05:58 |
| johnx | the "Maemo ecosystem" I should say | 05:58 |
| johnx | Mer is a part of that too, though I admit that Mer is reinventing the wheel in some ways | 05:58 |
| luke-jr | Arkenoi: it's stricter than that, the ENTIRE software stack, every part of it, must be closed | 05:58 |
| luke-jr | Arkenoi: that's why N900 and every other smartphone needs a seperate CPU for the real phone | 05:58 |
| luke-jr | and they talk to THAT via serial or whatever | 05:59 |
| jebba | Arkenoi: then why ofono? | 05:59 |
| luke-jr | but I consider that must-be-proprietary-on-another-CPU blob to be firmware and thus exempt | 05:59 |
| AakashN900 | hmmm luke-jr just looked it up...looks like it works with empathy/telepathy-haze | 06:00 |
| luke-jr | AakashN900: what does empathy have to do with it? | 06:00 |
| luke-jr | AakashN900: telepathy is a KDE project, not GNOME | 06:00 |
| jebba | it's kind of funny to watch this channel not seeing what luke-jr is saying | 06:00 |
| AakashN900 | uh then their sites sretarded lol | 06:00 |
| asidjazz | are there any tutorials out there describing the steps to compiling and running apps in the sdk? | 06:03 |
| *** GiantTalkingCow has quit IRC | 06:05 | |
| jebba | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba some there, brief | 06:06 |
| asidjazz | hmm | 06:07 |
| *** valdyn has quit IRC | 06:07 | |
| asidjazz | Using SDK? | 06:08 |
| *** ScriptRipper has quit IRC | 06:08 | |
| *** ScriptRipper has joined #maemo | 06:08 | |
| jebba | ya | 06:08 |
| asidjazz | i wanna compile and run https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemoexamples/trunk/example_desktop_widget/ | 06:08 |
| jebba | asidjazz: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#SDK | 06:08 |
| AakashN900 | and i want facebook chat :( | 06:09 |
| jebba | asidjazz: can't yu just grab that, run autoconfigger and make? | 06:09 |
| *** Openfree` has quit IRC | 06:09 | |
| asidjazz | i already installed it all jebba | 06:09 |
| asidjazz | jebba: thats what im asking | 06:10 |
| * asidjazz trys | 06:10 | |
| asidjazz | whats hte svn command again? :) | 06:11 |
| johnx | Has anyone looked at syncevolution for the N900? | 06:11 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 06:11 | |
| johnx | i think it holds a good probability of working ... | 06:11 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 06:11 | |
| asidjazz | ah yea svn co | 06:11 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 06:12 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 06:13 | |
| jebba | rad, my kernel .deb built (no real mods to stock n900 kernel). :) | 06:14 |
| *** t_s_o has joined #maemo | 06:15 | |
| ShadowJK | 30% battery in the end | 06:15 |
| asidjazz | jebba: thats all done but how do i run the app in my virtual maemo? | 06:16 |
| asidjazz | it doesnt even have internet | 06:16 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 06:16 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 06:17 | |
| jebba | uh, after it compiles, just run it. Are you running xephyr? | 06:17 |
| asidjazz | yes | 06:17 |
| AakashN900 | you should have net | 06:18 |
| jebba | ./example-widget or whatever it is called | 06:18 |
| asidjazz | run it via the scratch box? | 06:18 |
| asidjazz | oo | 06:18 |
| jebba | ya, int he scratchbox | 06:18 |
| asidjazz | AakashN900: no net | 06:18 |
| AakashN900 | yo'z jacked up | 06:19 |
| asidjazz | hmm make completed successfully no binaries in the dir or src/ | 06:19 |
| *** dlw has joined #maemo | 06:19 | |
| asidjazz | theres a .o in src/ | 06:19 |
| asidjazz | ?? | 06:21 |
| *** LinuxCode has joined #maemo | 06:21 | |
| *** GuySoft has quit IRC | 06:22 | |
| jebba | uh | 06:22 |
| jebba | what URL did you svn co ? | 06:22 |
| AakashN900 | im out | 06:22 |
| AakashN900 | night | 06:22 |
| jebba | ciao | 06:22 |
| *** AakashN900 has quit IRC | 06:22 | |
| asidjazz | URL: https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemoexamples/trunk/example_desktop_widget | 06:22 |
| *** GuySoft has joined #maemo | 06:23 | |
| jebba | asidjazz: no clue. There isnt a regular executable in there for me either. is just widget, perhaps that's why (?) | 06:25 |
| *** b-man17_ has quit IRC | 06:25 | |
| asidjazz | jebba: how do you test widges? | 06:27 |
| asidjazz | widgets* | 06:27 |
| jebba | dunno | 06:27 |
| *** brbrbr has quit IRC | 06:27 | |
| *** brbrbr has joined #maemo | 06:28 | |
| jebba | ya, widgets arent like regular executables to run, they get loaded by the desktop or some fella running around in yuour n900 | 06:28 |
| asidjazz | so.. | 06:29 |
| asidjazz | ok how about if i have a sample as just a .c and .h file | 06:29 |
| asidjazz | gcc -o smaple sample.c def doesnt work | 06:29 |
| asidjazz | example_banner.c:11:35: error: hildon/hildon-program.h: No such file or directory | 06:29 |
| *** Unmensch has joined #maemo | 06:30 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 06:30 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 06:30 | |
| jebba | asidjazz: dont you have libhildon1-dev installed? | 06:31 |
| *** swc|666 has joined #maemo | 06:31 | |
| *** Unmenschlich has quit IRC | 06:32 | |
| asidjazz | ah i found http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK#Writing_GUI_Hello_World | 06:32 |
| *** hotaru2k3 has quit IRC | 06:33 | |
| asidjazz | jebba: pretty sure i installed the sdk correctly .. shouldnt i? | 06:33 |
| jebba | dpkg -l libhildon1-dev | 06:33 |
| *** hotaru2k3 has joined #maemo | 06:33 | |
| *** myosound has quit IRC | 06:33 | |
| *** hotaru2k3 has quit IRC | 06:33 | |
| *** hotaru2k3 has joined #maemo | 06:34 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 06:34 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 06:35 | |
| *** fredrin has joined #maemo | 06:36 | |
| asidjazz | gtk_helloworld.c:15:21: error: gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory | 06:36 |
| asidjazz | lol | 06:36 |
| jebba | dpkg -l libhildon1-dev asidjazz you got that? | 06:36 |
| jebba | ah, you probably gotta do the includes and stuff, anyhooo | 06:37 |
| asidjazz | yea esgfaults | 06:40 |
| asidjazz | loks like it | 06:41 |
| asidjazz | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > dpkg -l libhildon1-dev | 06:41 |
| asidjazz | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | 06:41 |
| asidjazz | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed | 06:41 |
| asidjazz | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) | 06:41 |
| asidjazz | ||/ Name Version Description | 06:41 |
| asidjazz | +++-==================-==================-==================================================== | 06:41 |
| asidjazz | ii libhildon1-dev 2.2.0-2+ultrastabl Hildon libraries development files | 06:41 |
| asidjazz | lol | 06:43 |
| asidjazz | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > gcc -Wall -g gtk_helloworld-1.c `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` -o gtk_helloworld-1 | 06:43 |
| asidjazz | /scratchbox/login: line 230: 22289 Segmentation fault (core dumped) /scratchbox/sbin/chroot-uid /scratchbox/users/acidjazz /scratchbox/tools/bin/env - _SBOX_USER_GROUPNAME="$_SBOX_USER_GROUPNAME" _SBOX_DIR="$SBOX_PATH" PATH="$PATH" SBOX_REDIRECT_FROM_DIRS="$SBOX_REDIRECT_FROM_DIRS" SBOX_REDIRECT_TO_DIRS="$SBOX_REDIRECT_TO_DIRS" SBOX_PRELOAD="$SBOX_PRELOAD" HOME="$HOME" USER="$USER" TERM="$TERM" LOGNAME="$LOGNAME" _SBOX_RESTART_FILE="$_SBOX_RESTART_FIL | 06:43 |
| johnx | on the one hand: pastebin, please! | 06:48 |
| johnx | on the other hand: wow that's fubar | 06:48 |
| asidjazz | sorry | 06:49 |
| asidjazz | i figured it out | 06:49 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 06:50 | |
| *** BBNS_ has joined #maemo | 06:51 | |
| *** z4chh has quit IRC | 06:53 | |
| *** simula_n900 has joined #maemo | 06:53 | |
| sivang | hey all | 06:58 |
| *** BBNS_ has quit IRC | 06:58 | |
| sivang | what's the way to access bash from the running mameo session under Xephyr ? | 06:58 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 06:59 | |
| *** Snaht has joined #maemo | 06:59 | |
| *** Snaht has quit IRC | 07:00 | |
| *** simula_ has quit IRC | 07:01 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 07:02 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 07:02 | |
| *** benh has quit IRC | 07:03 | |
| jebba | hmm. So if one builds a kernel.deb, why can't that be installed. The docs talk about flashing zImage, but not really about getting the kernel modules over to the n900. | 07:03 |
| *** simula_ has joined #maemo | 07:05 | |
| johnx | you would copy the modules over manually I believe, then flash the kernel | 07:05 |
| *** microlith has quit IRC | 07:06 | |
| *** microlith has joined #maemo | 07:06 | |
| *** SmilybOrg has quit IRC | 07:06 | |
| *** SmilybOrg has joined #maemo | 07:06 | |
| jebba | johnx: hmm, but why not just install kernel_modules.deb ? | 07:06 |
| johnx | cause I don't trust that kind of stuff :) | 07:07 |
| *** akeripper is now known as akeripper|sims3 | 07:07 | |
| jebba | maybe i'm reading some old docs or somethign ? http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Kernel_and_Debugging_Guide/Maemo_Kernel_Guide | 07:07 |
| johnx | well of course, follow the guide over what I say. I thought you were stuck on how to proceed | 07:07 |
| Macer | hm | 07:09 |
| Macer | is there an alternative to X ? | 07:09 |
| Macer | for "open" operating systems? :) | 07:09 |
| jebba | well, it kind of leaves that part out. It does talk about *other* modules (e.g. if you have some weird new usbdevice or somethingyou want to attach), but the current running kernel uses tons of modules. It just sort of leaves that part out. And copying them over is a bit of a mess too--it's not like they are all just sitting in one place--except for in the deb. | 07:10 |
| asidjazz | f tihs apt crap im installing yum | 07:10 |
| jebba | but it makes no mention of doing a dpkg -i of them or such. | 07:10 |
| *** hardaker2 has joined #maemo | 07:11 | |
| jebba | wow. you're the first person i've ever heard to say they prefer yum over apt | 07:13 |
| asidjazz | its 100x easier | 07:15 |
| asidjazz | how do you list available packages in apt? | 07:15 |
| RST38h | moo. | 07:16 |
| *** ashenburger has joined #maemo | 07:16 | |
| derf | Moo RST38h. | 07:17 |
| ShadowJK | apt-cache search . | 07:17 |
| hardaker2 | yum and apt aren't really all that different | 07:17 |
| hardaker2 | they suck in completely different ways | 07:18 |
| hardaker2 | but they suck equally | 07:18 |
| Arkenoi | iirc zaurus had some direct qt implementation bypassing X | 07:18 |
| Arkenoi | i doubt there is any use for such tricks today | 07:18 |
| RST38h | it is not a trick | 07:18 |
| *** droid0011 has quit IRC | 07:19 | |
| *** droid001 has joined #maemo | 07:19 | |
| Arkenoi | my first x11-running pda was agenda vr3, it had 4 *MEGA*bytes of combined RAM+Storage | 07:19 |
| Arkenoi | and that was enough for it | 07:19 |
| Arkenoi | not to mention ridiculously slow cpu | 07:19 |
| RST38h | QT/Embedded normally runs on the framebuffer | 07:19 |
| asidjazz | hmm on vim-enhanced package | 07:19 |
| RST38h | There is also MiniX library (or whatever it is called) that is a "client side" X11 | 07:20 |
| *** wazd has joined #maemo | 07:21 | |
| *** brbrbr has quit IRC | 07:22 | |
| *** n6pfkk has quit IRC | 07:24 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 07:24 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 07:25 | |
| *** johnxx has joined #maemo | 07:25 | |
| *** tchan has quit IRC | 07:25 | |
| *** johnx has quit IRC | 07:26 | |
| *** n6pfk has joined #maemo | 07:26 | |
| *** Unmensch has quit IRC | 07:27 | |
| *** Unmensch has joined #maemo | 07:27 | |
| *** herz1 has quit IRC | 07:28 | |
| *** tchan has joined #maemo | 07:28 | |
| RST38h | OMG, Qt introduced yet another RPC framework | 07:28 |
| *** herzi has joined #maemo | 07:28 | |
| * RST38h queues up RPC framework creators right after audio framework creators in the line to the chopping block | 07:29 | |
| *** Firebird has quit IRC | 07:29 | |
| *** Moku has quit IRC | 07:31 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 07:32 | |
| *** Moku has joined #maemo | 07:32 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 07:32 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer has quit IRC | 07:33 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer has joined #maemo | 07:33 | |
| *** crashanddie_mbp_ has joined #maemo | 07:36 | |
| johnxx | WTH do laptops need like 10 indicator lights for? gah! | 07:37 |
| *** n6pfk has quit IRC | 07:38 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 07:38 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 07:39 | |
| *** n6pfk has joined #maemo | 07:39 | |
| Venomrush | i am considering getting rid of the N900 if there are no workarounds to install the apps elsewhere and stop it from constantly using up rootfs for each installations eventually leading to fail updates and limit the number of apps that you can have installed on the N900 | 07:39 |
| microlith | err | 07:40 |
| microlith | aren't the apps in the repos supposed to use /opt | 07:40 |
| johnxx | Venomrush, if you tell the authors of apps that aren't optified, they're likely to listen | 07:40 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 07:40 | |
| Arkenoi | indicator lights are cool, i like them | 07:40 |
| johnxx | Venomrush, ...and if you're in a hacking mood, you might want to look at a tool that lets you "auto-optify" some Nokia stuff to make room | 07:40 |
| Venomrush | johnxx, i've contact them, they just sort of 'ignore' the suggestion | 07:41 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 07:41 | |
| johnxx | Venomrush, are these apps in extras or extras-testing/devel? | 07:41 |
| Venomrush | johnxx, which tool are you takling about? is it that python script? | 07:41 |
| johnxx | it's a bash script | 07:42 |
| johnxx | from ccooke I believe | 07:42 |
| zash | why can't you do something like apt-get install --root=/opt somepackage | 07:42 |
| Venomrush | ah yeh, bash script | 07:42 |
| microlith | zash: because apt packages don't work like that | 07:42 |
| johnxx | and because /opt is on vfat | 07:42 |
| Venomrush | i installed alot of apps from different repos | 07:42 |
| Venomrush | so i'm not exactly sure which apps are optified and what's not | 07:42 |
| microlith | Venomrush: all bets are off for non-maemo repos | 07:43 |
| zash | Venomrush: dpkg -L $package | 07:43 |
| zash | Venomrush: or possibly dpkg -S /opt | 07:43 |
| jebba | it's called maemo-optify it's in python | 07:44 |
| asidjazz | man i cant get any of these example codes to compile | 07:44 |
| johnxx | well yeah, not every app in extras-devel/testing is finished yet. it's called testing because you're expected to test, and give feedback, and devel is if you're a developer who wants to hack. | 07:44 |
| johnxx | asidjazz, all failing with missing headers? | 07:44 |
| jebba | and it works easily. You just run maemo-optify-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -uc to build.... SIMPLE | 07:44 |
| Venomrush | zash, what do those commands do? | 07:44 |
| *** GiantTalkingCow has joined #maemo | 07:45 | |
| johnxx | jebba, there's also one from ccooke that optifies packages that are already installed | 07:45 |
| jebba | ah | 07:45 |
| Venomrush | ideally, an easy GUI to find apps not optified, and optified them | 07:45 |
| zash | Venomrush: dpkg -L pkg lists all files belonging to a package, and -S seaches for packages that has that file | 07:45 |
| jebba | i'm out for the night. hasta mañana | 07:45 |
| johnxx | Venomrush, ccooke's is about as easy as it gets, but it's CLI. | 07:45 |
| *** Khertan has joined #maemo | 07:45 | |
| johnxx | of course, if you use it the wrong way, you'll need to reflash ;) | 07:45 |
| *** n6pfk has quit IRC | 07:46 | |
| *** GiantTalkingCow has quit IRC | 07:46 | |
| Venomrush | that's why i'm not too comfortable running them | 07:46 |
| zash | what about a proxy that transparently does optify | 07:46 |
| johnxx | Venomrush, then don't run testing software | 07:46 |
| johnxx | problem solved | 07:46 |
| Venomrush | i ran dpkg -S /opt | 07:46 |
| Venomrush | outputs a list of packages | 07:47 |
| Venomrush | are these optified or non-optified? | 07:47 |
| *** ersin has joined #maemo | 07:47 | |
| ersin | hey everyone | 07:47 |
| zash | Venomrush: it lists packages that have something in /opt | 07:47 |
| ersin | i was wondering if anyone has had any experience recompiling gtk for maemo | 07:47 |
| johnxx | zash, like an http proxy that sits between apt and the repository? that's pretty scary, but also neat | 07:47 |
| *** simula_n900 has quit IRC | 07:47 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer51 has quit IRC | 07:48 | |
| ersin | i did apt-get source libgtk2.0-0 and looked in the debian folder, but i noticed that there weren't any patches | 07:48 |
| *** jebba900 has joined #maemo | 07:48 | |
| ersin | but i can't imagine that nokia didn't patch their sources | 07:48 |
| Venomrush | johnxx, do you mean non-testing software should be all optified? | 07:48 |
| *** DocScrutinizer51 has joined #maemo | 07:48 | |
| johnxx | Venomrush, exactly. Software in "Extras" should be optified. | 07:48 |
| johnxx | if it stores much of anything outside of /opt, that's a bug probably | 07:49 |
| asidjazz | heres my output http://pastie.org/731399 | 07:49 |
| *** n6pfk has joined #maemo | 07:49 | |
| asidjazz | where is hildon/hildon-program.h | 07:49 |
| *** Sho_ has joined #maemo | 07:50 | |
| johnxx | asidjazz, dpkg -S hildon-program.h | 07:50 |
| johnxx | BTW, that's a neat pastebin | 07:50 |
| *** bergie has joined #maemo | 07:51 | |
| asidjazz | /targets/FREMANTLE_X86/usr/include/hildon-1/hildon/hildon-program.h | 07:51 |
| asidjazz | yea pastie is sweet | 07:51 |
| asidjazz | why doesnt it see that include dir | 07:51 |
| asidjazz | how do i see what my set include dirs are | 07:51 |
| johnxx | and you're compiling on the _X86 target? | 07:51 |
| *** RolaBlade has joined #maemo | 07:52 | |
| *** Openfree` has joined #maemo | 07:52 | |
| *** crashanddie_mbp has quit IRC | 07:52 | |
| *** crashanddie_mbp_ is now known as crashanddie_mbp | 07:52 | |
| *** RolaBlade has left #maemo | 07:52 | |
| johnxx | asidjazz, did the instructions really say to type exactly that? | 07:53 |
| *** benh has joined #maemo | 07:53 | |
| johnxx | unless I'm quite confused, I think you need to say gcc -I/path/to/headers/ | 07:53 |
| ShadowJK | Supposedly it's "ok" to store small files in / | 07:54 |
| ShadowJK | since / is faster for small files | 07:54 |
| *** tank-man has quit IRC | 07:54 | |
| *** frals has quit IRC | 07:54 | |
| *** SmilyOrg has joined #maemo | 07:55 | |
| Venomrush | there should be a requirement that apps must be optified before promoting from devel -> extras-testing | 07:56 |
| Venomrush | current promoting process to Extras takes too long IMO | 07:56 |
| johnxx | Venomrush, then test and vote | 07:57 |
| Venomrush | how can we expect to test them if we can't even install them :\ | 07:57 |
| ManuelSE | agree with venomrush | 07:57 |
| ManuelSE | vote down | 07:57 |
| johnxx | I propose starting a brainstorm | 07:57 |
| Venomrush | testing app becomes limited cos u can't really test that many apps at the same time | 07:58 |
| Venomrush | this is the bottleneck | 07:58 |
| ManuelSE | why do some gtk apps break my workflow into many windows | 07:58 |
| ManuelSE | these must be reSTRUCTURED for maemo | 07:58 |
| ManuelSE | gpodder, mpd client | 07:58 |
| *** cure` has joined #maemo | 08:01 | |
| *** Tyrant91101 has quit IRC | 08:03 | |
| *** hotaru20 has joined #maemo | 08:05 | |
| *** hardaker2 has quit IRC | 08:07 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 08:08 | |
| Venomrush | might as well spam with comments for apps in extras-testing => 'cant test you, my rootfs is full, optify!' | 08:08 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 08:08 | |
| johnxx | it only helps if you actually spam the right ones though | 08:11 |
| *** lazni has joined #maemo | 08:11 | |
| johnxx | and I'm serious about starting a brainstorm. I think that's exactly the right way to see if a majority agree with you | 08:11 |
| Venomrush | i'm too lazy to write a brainstorm :\ | 08:12 |
| johnxx | then don't complain | 08:12 |
| johnxx | or at least put up a poll | 08:12 |
| Venomrush | how long does a brianstorm take to get to implementation stage | 08:12 |
| Venomrush | months? | 08:13 |
| *** SmilybOrg has quit IRC | 08:13 | |
| ManuelSE | joydev missing from -devel | 08:13 |
| johnxx | it depends on whether you're asking Nokia to do it or the community. Nokia won't act immediately, but if you're asking developers to optify before extras-testing (with the promise that you're more likely to test/vote on apps) it might go a lot faster | 08:14 |
| johnxx | If nothing else, at least put up a yes/no poll and see if people agree with you. Just try to be diplomatic so you get devs on your side, not against you ;) | 08:14 |
| johnxx | and in the spirit of spamming the right people to optify their stuff, I think there's a script that lists how much space is taken up in what directories... | 08:15 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 08:15 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 08:16 | |
| *** bobl1k has quit IRC | 08:16 | |
| Venomrush | johnxx, would you be able to find this script that shows how much space is taken up? | 08:17 |
| *** crashanddie_mbp has quit IRC | 08:17 | |
| johnxx | if I can't find it I'll write it ... as long as you promise to use the heck out of it to bug people about optifying ;) | 08:17 |
| *** n6pfk has quit IRC | 08:17 | |
| ersin | du -h? | 08:18 |
| johnxx | ersin, thinking specifically about how much space a given package uses in which partitions | 08:18 |
| ersin | ah, sorry i jumped in without reading ;-) | 08:19 |
| asidjazz | lol 80% of my contacts disappeared | 08:19 |
| *** bobl1k has joined #maemo | 08:19 | |
| johnxx | asidjazz, maemo knows who you really care about. it's a feature (tm) | 08:19 |
| *** frade has joined #maemo | 08:20 | |
| wazd | heya all | 08:22 |
| simula_ | bug 9493: i don't really care about jennifer and maemo fails to delete her. | 08:22 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9493 was not found. | 08:22 |
| *** imganquan has joined #maemo | 08:22 | |
| johnxx | simula, maemo knows best! :D | 08:22 |
| simula_ | :) | 08:23 |
| * johnxx admits to actually having clicked the link without reading first :) | 08:23 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 08:23 | |
| imganquan | Hi. I'm new to maemo, now I have set a development environment on my debian lenny, but when I click the twitter in mameo ,nothing happened ,why? | 08:23 |
| *** hotaru2k3 has quit IRC | 08:24 | |
| johnxx | there's lots of ways things can go wrong when trying to use the SDK to emulate maemo | 08:24 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 08:24 | |
| johnxx | are you using the _X86 target or the _ARMEL target? | 08:24 |
| imganquan | X86 | 08:25 |
| *** KMFDM has joined #maemo | 08:25 | |
| *** konttori has joined #maemo | 08:26 | |
| *** simula_ has quit IRC | 08:26 | |
| *** crashanddie_mbp has joined #maemo | 08:27 | |
| imganquan | johnxx: hi friend, Can you tell me how to install a new software in the emulator? | 08:28 |
| johnxx | uhm, not really. It's really made for being able to test software you're writing, not running any program you can download | 08:29 |
| *** frals has joined #maemo | 08:29 | |
| imganquan | oh..thank. | 08:30 |
| cehteh | well application manager and dpkg/apt works for many things | 08:32 |
| cehteh | x86 .. the armel emulation lacks a lot hardware stuff | 08:32 |
| Vratha | anyone else have an n900 on t-mobile USA and is having trouble getting a GPS signal? it's kind of annoying | 08:33 |
| imganquan | OK, cehteh ,thank you. let me see... | 08:33 |
| cehteh | uhm gps looks more and more borked | 08:34 |
| *** crashanddie_mbp has quit IRC | 08:36 | |
| Vratha | i don't even know if t-mo usa offers a SUPL server | 08:36 |
| ShadowJK | it's a conspiracy to make N810 gps look good | 08:36 |
| ShadowJK | Vratha, not needed. Nokia has one | 08:36 |
| ShadowJK | and the N900 uses nokia's server... | 08:36 |
| Vratha | yeah, nokia's doesn't seem to get me a reliable location | 08:37 |
| ShadowJK | as long as tmobile isn't blocking that | 08:37 |
| luke-jr | XD | 08:37 |
| luke-jr | \ | 08:37 |
| *** benh has quit IRC | 08:37 | |
| johnxx | works just fine for me on t-mo here | 08:37 |
| Vratha | but i guess other people in the states are having bad GPS lookups as well? | 08:38 |
| Vratha | johnxx: where are you? i'm in NY, about 30 mi. north of NYC | 08:38 |
| johnxx | though indoors it will say it has a "fix" but it's really just doing cell-tower location | 08:38 |
| johnxx | 10mi north of Seattle (more or less) | 08:38 |
| *** sleipnir has joined #maemo | 08:38 | |
| Vratha | i can't tell if it's a bad GPS chip in my phone or not | 08:38 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 08:39 | |
| johnxx | heh. well everyone's N900 has the same bad GPS chip :) | 08:39 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 08:39 | |
| LinuxCode | +n810 | 08:39 |
| microlith | isn't there a known issue where if the N900 can't get data service the GPS doesn't work at all? | 08:39 |
| johnxx | yes | 08:40 |
| LinuxCode | takes 40 years for me to get a lock | 08:40 |
| johnxx | in that case it might be stuck using cell tower location | 08:40 |
| *** micm has quit IRC | 08:40 | |
| johnxx | Vratha, do you have a data plan with t-mo? | 08:40 |
| *** alexj_ has joined #maemo | 08:40 | |
| Vratha | yeah, i got their Even More Plus plan | 08:41 |
| Vratha | but i don't think they set it up right | 08:41 |
| Vratha | i have something called "Web First Data" as my data package | 08:41 |
| Vratha | don't know if that's the right thing | 08:41 |
| johnxx | can you use the web browser? | 08:42 |
| Vratha | yes | 08:42 |
| Vratha | i get about 1Mbps, which they said was pretty typical | 08:42 |
| johnxx | can you use IM? | 08:42 |
| Vratha | AT&T on my iphone (with a tethered jailbreak) got 3 Mbps | 08:42 |
| Vratha | i don't know... would i test that with skype? | 08:43 |
| johnxx | skype or AIM or MSN or whatever | 08:43 |
| Vratha | hmm, i don't have an AIM client on it (would like one though) | 08:43 |
| johnxx | just trying to think of things that aren't using port 80 (or the standard email ports) | 08:43 |
| Vratha | i can try with skype (i've made skype calls over the 3G network) | 08:43 |
| johnxx | ah, well then they're not blocking you for sure :) | 08:43 |
| Vratha | hehe | 08:44 |
| Vratha | my plan doesn't say anything about having texting on it, and i'm supposed to get unlimited texts | 08:44 |
| Vratha | was planning to call them tomorrow to get it all straightened out | 08:44 |
| johnxx | so where have you tested the GPS? | 08:44 |
| Vratha | just at my place | 08:44 |
| Vratha | i only got this phone yesterday and haven't been out of the house (just got back from AZ) | 08:44 |
| johnxx | might be worth trying it by a window (not gonna suggest you go outside and hold it up to the sky in the middle of the night ;) ) | 08:45 |
| johnxx | how far off did it have your location? | 08:45 |
| ShadowJK | even by the window, GPS is a bit difficult in my house, even with "Known good" receivers | 08:45 |
| ManuelSE | i am beginning to ctrl-i on pc now ...hihi | 08:46 |
| ManuelSE | do you all know ctrl-i to tab? | 08:46 |
| johnxx | at some point I had mangled a keymap so bad that all I had was letters and ctrl. I know a good number of the ctrl-<letter> combinations now | 08:47 |
| Vratha | johnxx: valencia, spain | 08:47 |
| Vratha | hahaha | 08:47 |
| ManuelSE | who know how to make the | on keyboard????? | 08:47 |
| johnxx | sooo, not just getting your location from the cell tower then :P | 08:47 |
| johnxx | ManuelSE, use the symbols pop-up window | 08:48 |
| Vratha | my iphone always got it, which is why i'm wondering if it's the AGPS that isn't working right or the GPS chip itself | 08:48 |
| ManuelSE | no | 08:48 |
| Vratha | johnxx: yeah, that's my guess | 08:48 |
| ManuelSE | is too slow and does not always work | 08:48 |
| Vratha | ManuelSE: press the "blue arrow" and then "Sym" | 08:48 |
| Vratha | top left two keys on the keyboard | 08:48 |
| ManuelSE | ah | 08:48 |
| ShadowJK | Vratha, iphone has skyhook too though | 08:48 |
| ManuelSE | i thought simultaneous press hahahaha | 08:48 |
| Vratha | ShadowJK: oh, what is that? | 08:48 |
| johnxx | ManuelSE, there's a way to add it to the xterm bar, or you can rebind keys if you can figure out how | 08:49 |
| ManuelSE | manuel is a fooool | 08:49 |
| ShadowJK | Vratha, it scans for wlans and such and queries a database that knows where each wlan network is located | 08:49 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 08:49 | |
| ManuelSE | thank you! | 08:49 |
| Vratha | oh | 08:49 |
| Vratha | ManuelSE: np | 08:49 |
| Vratha | anyone know how to get video calls working on skype? i know this thing has a front-facing camera | 08:49 |
| Vratha | johnxx: i'll just have to try GPS on my way to work tomorrow to see if it fairs better | 08:50 |
| ManuelSE | skype say hno support for video | 08:50 |
| ShadowJK | Skype doesn't support video calls on n900 | 08:50 |
| Vratha | dang it | 08:50 |
| ShadowJK | and the front camera is nearly useless atm :) | 08:50 |
| johnxx | Vratha, it should behave better after it gets a fix in your area | 08:50 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 08:50 | |
| ManuelSE | very noisy cam- needs some dsp loving | 08:50 |
| ManuelSE | denoise3d from mplayer | 08:50 |
| Vratha | johnxx: yeah, but it refuses to do that :-/ | 08:51 |
| ShadowJK | Personally I dislike denoisers.. | 08:51 |
| ManuelSE | or smth more specific to hardware | 08:51 |
| ManuelSE | ok | 08:51 |
| Vratha | ShadowJK: dang; i hope they fix it up | 08:51 |
| Vratha | also, i'd like a search ability in my inbox :) | 08:51 |
| ManuelSE | shadowjk they are needed for quality vs bandwidth | 08:51 |
| ShadowJK | sure | 08:51 |
| johnxx | Vratha, letting it get a fix outside the first time should help I think | 08:51 |
| ShadowJK | let's make it "denoisers behind my back" | 08:51 |
| ManuelSE | mhm | 08:52 |
| *** n6pfk has joined #maemo | 08:52 | |
| Vratha | johnxx: ah, maybe. i'll give it a try | 08:52 |
| ManuelSE | in consumer cameras i hate them sometimes | 08:52 |
| ShadowJK | Like someone else said, at some point the denoising artefacts get uglier than the noise itself | 08:52 |
| *** n6pfk has quit IRC | 08:52 | |
| Vratha | tomorrwo at least | 08:52 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 08:52 |
| ManuelSE | zoom in and picture looks like a Monet painting | 08:52 |
| ManuelSE | give me choice to denoise later! | 08:53 |
| ShadowJK | yes :-) | 08:53 |
| *** n6pfk has joined #maemo | 08:54 | |
| Vratha | haha | 08:54 |
| asidjazz | is there another maemo channel? | 08:55 |
| asidjazz | for like developers.. | 08:55 |
| Vratha | hmm, that would be nice. i'm personally curious if there is a build of python available in a repo | 08:56 |
| *** jaem_ has quit IRC | 08:56 | |
| johnxx | Vratha, yes. should be in Extras | 08:56 |
| johnxx | asidjazz, actually...this *is* the maemo develoeprs channel :) | 08:56 |
| johnxx | still not getting it to include the headers? | 08:57 |
| Vratha | johnxx: didn't see it. maybe it's in Extra-testing or something | 08:57 |
| johnxx | ah, python itself won't be in the GUI application manager | 08:57 |
| johnxx | you can grab it with apt-get | 08:57 |
| Vratha | so, how do i change the root password (that i setup when installing openssh-server) if i accidentally entered it incorrectly (twice) | 08:57 |
| Vratha | johnxx: aaaah, ok | 08:58 |
| johnxx | install rootsh | 08:58 |
| Vratha | that would do dandy | 08:58 |
| Vratha | i have rootsh on... maybe that's an app on the GUI | 08:58 |
| * Vratha checks | 08:58 | |
| johnxx | well, if you have the rootsh app installed, just type 'root' in the xterm | 08:58 |
| Vratha | sweet! got it via xterm | 08:58 |
| *** jaem_ has joined #maemo | 08:59 | |
| *** Flyser has joined #maemo | 09:01 | |
| johnxx | gah. Just downloaded 1.7GB and the md5sum doesn't match :| | 09:02 |
| ruskie | youch | 09:02 |
| asidjazz | johnxx: nope | 09:02 |
| *** benh has joined #maemo | 09:03 | |
| johnxx | asidjazz, ok, so point me at the docs for the example thing you're trying to install | 09:03 |
| *** simula_ has joined #maemo | 09:04 | |
| *** slonopotamus has joined #maemo | 09:04 | |
| Vratha | so, out of curiosity, why did nokia setup the n900 so it only has 2 GB of space for apps? | 09:04 |
| *** ManuelSE_ has joined #maemo | 09:04 | |
| Vratha | why not just share the whole drive for both data and apps? | 09:04 |
| slonopotamus | Vratha, to prevent users losing their data upon reflash. | 09:05 |
| johnxx | for somewhat annoying reasons involving compatibility with people using Windows and different speeds of flash | 09:05 |
| Vratha | johnxx: i see | 09:05 |
| *** promulo has quit IRC | 09:06 | |
| johnxx | and also what slonopotamus said | 09:06 |
| Vratha | hmm | 09:06 |
| asidjazz | sec johnxx trying to -I | 09:06 |
| *** bergie has quit IRC | 09:07 | |
| johnxx | asidjazz, ok. what example are you trying to compile? are you following a guide from somewhere? | 09:07 |
| asidjazz | yea | 09:08 |
| asidjazz | the sdk docs | 09:08 |
| asidjazz | i made a script from readin them | 09:09 |
| Vratha | man, is there any maemo package that has "less"? | 09:09 |
| asidjazz | http://pastie.org/731446 | 09:09 |
| asidjazz | haha you dont like more | 09:09 |
| asidjazz | less is more | 09:09 |
| slonopotamus | they're not interchangeable. | 09:10 |
| Vratha | no, i hate more :) | 09:10 |
| *** Khertan_n900 has joined #maemo | 09:10 | |
| *** gunni_ has joined #maemo | 09:11 | |
| slonopotamus | that's like 'i hate forks, gimme a spoon' | 09:11 |
| asidjazz | /usr/include/hildon-1/hildon | 09:11 |
| *** gunni has quit IRC | 09:11 | |
| Khertan_n900 | Hi ! | 09:11 |
| slonopotamus | Khertan_n900, morning | 09:11 |
| Khertan_n900 | Someone know what is the widget use in the email application, the one in the pannablearea listing all mail ? | 09:12 |
| Khertan_n900 | hi slonopotamus | 09:12 |
| asidjazz | so its looking for hildon | 09:12 |
| asidjazz | not hildon-1 | 09:12 |
| asidjazz | do i modify the code to go after hildon-1 or softlink hildon to hildon-1 | 09:13 |
| johnxx | you include one level higher | 09:13 |
| Khertan_n900 | does the calendar applications's source is available somewhere ? | 09:13 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 09:13 | |
| Khertan_n900 | i didn t found it on gitorious or with mxr | 09:13 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 09:13 | |
| *** sphenxes has joined #maemo | 09:14 | |
| johnxx | Khertan, I think it's closed | 09:14 |
| johnxx | asidjazz, you might want to jump back to here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Legacy_Maemo_5_Documentation/Graphical_UI_Tutorial/Getting_started | 09:14 |
| Khertan_n900 | hum ... ok | 09:14 |
| Khertan_n900 | i m trying to do a similar ui like in the task list of ther calendar | 09:15 |
| asidjazz | aha! | 09:15 |
| asidjazz | pkg-config hildon-1 --cflags --libs` | 09:15 |
| *** espadav8_L_ has joined #maemo | 09:15 | |
| Khertan_n900 | when you double click it s open details | 09:15 |
| Khertan_n900 | it s look like a treeview in a pannablearea | 09:15 |
| *** tekojo has joined #maemo | 09:15 | |
| simula_ | aha! /etc/event.d/rcS-late | 09:16 |
| Khertan_n900 | but i cannot got selection of a treeview in a pannable area .. so i suspect an other widget | 09:16 |
| Khertan_n900 | any idea ? | 09:16 |
| asidjazz | WORKED | 09:17 |
| johnxx | asidjazz, you can use pkg-config with a lot of other things too, such as gtk, glib, dbus | 09:17 |
| *** n6pfk has quit IRC | 09:17 | |
| asidjazz | can i do pkg-config hildon-1 gtk | 09:17 |
| asidjazz | can i do pkg-config hildon-1 gtk+-20 | 09:17 |
| asidjazz | can i do pkg-config hildon-1 gtk+-2.0 | 09:17 |
| Stargazers | Hi! How long your battery life is in Nokia N900? And is lshal | grep battery realistic values? | 09:17 |
| Stargazers | I mean, there is Battery percentages. | 09:17 |
| asidjazz | lshal ? | 09:17 |
| johnxx | asidjazz, the pkg-config files are in /usr/lib/pkg-config (IIRC) | 09:17 |
| Stargazers | asidjazz: Start xterm and type lshal | grep battery | 09:17 |
| *** espadav8_L_ has quit IRC | 09:17 | |
| johnxx | so just look at the names there and put in the right thing | 09:17 |
| Stargazers | asidjazz: So you can see lots of information about battery | 09:18 |
| *** n6pfk has joined #maemo | 09:18 | |
| ManuelSE_ | are maemo.org password databases inconsistent? | 09:18 |
| PaulFertser | BTW, does anyone know any decent non-maemo-specific battery gadget that can monitor battery over HAL? | 09:18 |
| asidjazz | thats cool | 09:18 |
| Khertan_n900 | does the fremantle email application source is available ? mxr give me only mlodest source of diablo | 09:18 |
| johnxx | ManuelSE, between talk and maemo.org? yes | 09:18 |
| Vratha | so any package in maemo that offers "less"? | 09:18 |
| Vratha | i can't find one so far | 09:18 |
| ManuelSE_ | ty johnxx | 09:18 |
| johnxx | PaulFertser, the gnome one comes to mind | 09:19 |
| Stargazers | Anyone? | 09:19 |
| Stargazers | That battery. | 09:19 |
| johnxx | Khertan, I think it is | 09:19 |
| johnxx | Stargazers, it seems at least roughly accurage. My device is showing charged and the batt percentage from lshal is 95 | 09:19 |
| PaulFertser | Stargazers: they mostly use old /proc/apm or modern standard /sys/class/power_supply interfaces. | 09:19 |
| ashenburger | i got 33 from mine, seems to be close at least | 09:19 |
| Stargazers | PaulFertser: Thanks, have to look | 09:19 |
| Khertan_n900 | johnx thx i ll try to look deeper | 09:20 |
| PaulFertser | Stargazers: but nokia decided to avoid standard interfaces and rely on deprecated hal i guess. | 09:20 |
| Stargazers | Well, yeah. | 09:20 |
| johnxx | I think it was more a case of starting development when HAL was still the "right way to go" | 09:20 |
| *** _marcell_ has joined #maemo | 09:21 | |
| PaulFertser | johnxx: (gnome gadget) have you tried it on nit? Are you in fact using non-maemo WM? | 09:21 |
| johnxx | PaulFertser, none of the above | 09:21 |
| *** BBNS_ has joined #maemo | 09:21 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 09:21 | |
| *** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS | 09:21 | |
| PaulFertser | johnxx: are you sure it's a good idea to not use power_supply interface? | 09:21 |
| johnxx | but it should be able to pull from HAL and lshal on Maemo 5 seems to be sane sooo... | 09:21 |
| johnxx | PaulFertser, no. of course I'm not sure. You asked so I just pointed out a tool. /me shrugs | 09:22 |
| Stargazers | But strange stuff is that battery "bar" is over 50%, amost 80% or something but when I look at CLI with lshal | grep battery I can see that battery percentage is 60% | 09:22 |
| PaulFertser | johnxx: ok, thanks. | 09:22 |
| Stargazers | BBut that bar shows much higher | 09:22 |
| Stargazers | In which one I should believe mroe? | 09:22 |
| Stargazers | That CLI way? | 09:22 |
| PaulFertser | Stargazers: lshal | 09:22 |
| Vratha | things the n900 still needs: working GPS, skype with front-facing web cam, "less" :), and android in a JVM | 09:23 |
| PaulFertser | Still no "less" in standard maemo? lol | 09:23 |
| Stargazers | All right. | 09:23 |
| Stargazers | PaulFertser: Yep. Noticed that too. | 09:23 |
| asidjazz | is there any eclipse support for maemo? | 09:23 |
| Khertan_n900 | asidjazz:pluthon :) | 09:23 |
| Stargazers | I took my N900 out of charger at 06:00 at in this morning. I have used about an hour network and now there is no connection at all (disabled it) and battery is 60%. Well, not very much. | 09:24 |
| asidjazz | whats pluthon | 09:24 |
| Stargazers | Just quickly tested videos, about 3min. | 09:24 |
| Stargazers | And couple of images. | 09:24 |
| Vratha | PaulFertser: well, if there is, i don't know how to get it | 09:24 |
| PaulFertser | Stargazers: i think lshal is more accurate since it seems to be the only interface the gadget can use. Nokia decided to avoid proper in-kernel battery monitoring support, instead they still rely on their proprietary user-space daemon and they provide a hal plugin to get data from it. | 09:24 |
| asidjazz | ugh i dont wanna write python | 09:24 |
| * Sargun needs to get a t-mobile plan | 09:24 | |
| Vratha | i love python | 09:25 |
| *** warp10 has joined #maemo | 09:25 | |
| Stargazers | PaulFertser: All right then. Well I must confess that I like that CLI way to look battery, it really rocks. | 09:25 |
| Vratha | better than writing C or C++ | 09:25 |
| PaulFertser | Vratha: i mean the first thing a reasonable hacker would do is "dmesg | less" and it's like nokia decided that's not a reasonable usecase :) | 09:25 |
| asidjazz | you can harness the hardware as well Vratha and the apps you write will require pythong | 09:25 |
| *** trickie has quit IRC | 09:25 | |
| Vratha | PaulFertser: haha, yes | 09:25 |
| Stargazers | PaulFertser: Especially if I can make battery will stay long enough so I can keep SSH-pipe open. | 09:25 |
| Stargazers | :) | 09:25 |
| simula_ | \simula prefers c++ | 09:25 |
| Stargazers | And SQLite3 for conversations log, it really, mreally ROCKS :) | 09:25 |
| Stargazers | I love it. | 09:25 |
| Stargazers | It is fantastic that I can ssh to my phone, open sqlite3 and check what has happened and I do not need to check my phone :D | 09:26 |
| Stargazers | If that is on charger, lol. | 09:26 |
| Stargazers | It makes me feel little nerdy. | 09:26 |
| asidjazz | how do you open sqlite3 on it | 09:26 |
| Vratha | ugh, i write enough C++ at work to know it's not optimal | 09:26 |
| Stargazers | asidjazz: xterm -> sqlite3 | 09:26 |
| Vratha | takes too long to code it | 09:26 |
| Stargazers | Vratha: That is why there is always C \o/ | 09:26 |
| Stargazers | ;) | 09:26 |
| *** hannesw has joined #maemo | 09:26 | |
| ruskie | hmm the first thing I did was learn how to use sfdisk and started repratitioning the mmc | 09:27 |
| asidjazz | how do you list tables in sqlite3 | 09:27 |
| asidjazz | show tables; dont do it | 09:27 |
| Stargazers | asidjazz: .tables | 09:27 |
| Stargazers | dot and tables | 09:27 |
| Stargazers | asidjazz: And put ".headers on" | 09:27 |
| simula_ | what gui framework do you use with c++ at work vratha? | 09:27 |
| jysky | how shitty is the mediaplayer's "suffle". i listened music yesterday, now it suffles same songs in same order | 09:27 |
| Stargazers | So you can see table fields too. | 09:27 |
| asidjazz | nothing Stargazers | 09:27 |
| Stargazers | asidjazz: Well... did you opened any DB? | 09:27 |
| Stargazers | asidjazz: If not then open some. | 09:28 |
| asidjazz | oh no | 09:28 |
| Stargazers | Heh. | 09:28 |
| asidjazz | i see main and temp | 09:28 |
| Stargazers | asidjazz: Well, start it with "sqlite3 somedatabase.db" | 09:28 |
| asidjazz | oh you hvae to give it .db files | 09:28 |
| asidjazz | where are those on the phone? | 09:28 |
| Stargazers | asidjazz: But conversations log is in /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db | 09:28 |
| Stargazers | asidjazz: But be warned! | 09:28 |
| Stargazers | DO NOT REMOVE ANYTHING :) | 09:28 |
| Stargazers | I have no idea what would happen. | 09:29 |
| Stargazers | So I made a copy of it. | 09:29 |
| Stargazers | And the sqlited it. | 09:29 |
| Stargazers | "Just in case" | 09:29 |
| asidjazz | this is awesome | 09:29 |
| Stargazers | asidjazz: It really is. | 09:29 |
| Stargazers | asidjazz: in Events table is calls etc. | 09:29 |
| Stargazers | So you can see last messages. | 09:29 |
| asidjazz | what table logs converstaions | 09:29 |
| asidjazz | ok | 09:30 |
| Stargazers | asidjazz: dates are in timestamp | 09:30 |
| Vratha | simula_: i don't. i only do backend development in c++ | 09:30 |
| Stargazers | But in SQLite you can convert it with SELECT DATE( start_time, 'unixepoch', 'localtime' ) FROM Events; | 09:30 |
| Stargazers | If I remember correctly. | 09:30 |
| asidjazz | how sweet | 09:30 |
| *** lcuk has joined #maemo | 09:30 | |
| Stargazers | asidjazz: That is :) So you can make easily apps what will show many kind of information. | 09:31 |
| Stargazers | I haven't found a way to see contacts numbers etc with any SQL, because adddressbook seems to be Berkeley DB | 09:31 |
| Stargazers | Dunno how I can convert it to SQLite or similar. | 09:32 |
| Stargazers | Or if I can do it anyway. | 09:32 |
| *** geaaru has joined #maemo | 09:32 | |
| asidjazz | so whats the best ide for coding maemo cpp/gtk/hildon | 09:32 |
| simula_ | vratha, what do you write in python? | 09:32 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 09:32 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 09:33 | |
| Stargazers | asidjazz: Well my opinion is just pure VIM. No guis needed. | 09:33 |
| asidjazz | i love vim | 09:33 |
| Stargazers | Where do you need GUI? | 09:33 |
| asidjazz | but i need like on the fly api help | 09:33 |
| Vratha | simula_: usually STP tools | 09:33 |
| asidjazz | since i dont really know gtk | 09:33 |
| Stargazers | All right then. | 09:33 |
| Stargazers | asidjazz: I see. | 09:33 |
| Stargazers | asidjazz: Well, I just use GTK Api in web browser... | 09:33 |
| Vratha | simula_: but for personal projects i'll sometimes use python to try out an algo or do some pretty basic AI search | 09:34 |
| Stargazers | asidjazz: IMHO best way to create apps is just to learn it without any helps, because then you really _learn_ it. | 09:35 |
| Stargazers | asidjazz: So you can use it in whatever editor you just want. | 09:35 |
| Stargazers | asidjazz: But surely if some other works better for you, just use it :) | 09:36 |
| Stargazers | Because most important is still to just do the apps if you want to. | 09:36 |
| asidjazz | does sqlite have a command like mysql's \G | 09:37 |
| asidjazz | to show the data easier | 09:37 |
| Stargazers | Well, I don't know if there is any. | 09:37 |
| Stargazers | But if you find, tell me too. | 09:38 |
| *** croppa has quit IRC | 09:38 | |
| *** n6pfk has quit IRC | 09:38 | |
| Stargazers | asidjazz: Maybe .ode | 09:39 |
| Stargazers | *.mode | 09:39 |
| Stargazers | http://www.sqlite.org/sqlite.html | 09:39 |
| Stargazers | Have to test | 09:39 |
| asidjazz | sweet | 09:39 |
| Stargazers | It is. | 09:39 |
| Stargazers | .mode line | 09:39 |
| Stargazers | Nice. | 09:39 |
| *** croppa has joined #maemo | 09:40 | |
| asidjazz | check this Stargazers | 09:40 |
| Stargazers | asidjazz: What? | 09:40 |
| asidjazz | sqlite3 -html el.db "select * from Events limit 10" | 09:40 |
| *** EricSagnes has joined #maemo | 09:40 | |
| *** JamieBennett has joined #maemo | 09:41 | |
| Stargazers | asidjazz: Nice! <3 | 09:41 |
| Stargazers | Dammit that stuff rocks! | 09:42 |
| Stargazers | If I can just find a way to create "server" on my N900 so I can just show that output in browser :) | 09:42 |
| *** slonopotamus has quit IRC | 09:42 | |
| Stargazers | netcat would be nice. | 09:42 |
| simula_ | lighttpd is in one of the repos | 09:42 |
| Stargazers | Oh? Dammit, have to test it on home! | 09:43 |
| *** avs has joined #maemo | 09:43 | |
| Stargazers | It would be super duper. | 09:43 |
| asidjazz | http://www.notchill.com/conv.html | 09:43 |
| Stargazers | It would be sexy stuff to run on N900 :D | 09:43 |
| Stargazers | asidjazz: Hehe, cool. | 09:43 |
| asidjazz | i wouldnt run any daemons on the device Stargazers | 09:43 |
| Stargazers | asidjazz: Why so. | 09:43 |
| asidjazz | i would have the device periodically report this stuff to somewhere else | 09:43 |
| asidjazz | cuz its inefficient | 09:43 |
| Stargazers | Well that is true. | 09:43 |
| Stargazers | asidjazz: But how you do that reporting periodically without cron? Just bash script with sleeps on it? | 09:44 |
| *** Xisdibik has joined #maemo | 09:44 | |
| *** EricSagnes_ has joined #maemo | 09:44 | |
| johnxx | alarmd I think? (or are they on to something new?) | 09:44 |
| Stargazers | Hmm, alarmd... can it be run from cli directly somehow? | 09:44 |
| Vratha | hmm | 09:46 |
| *** bergie has joined #maemo | 09:46 | |
| Vratha | so when is nokia thinking about opening that Ovi Store for the n900? | 09:46 |
| asidjazz | Stargazers: cron might be ok | 09:46 |
| Stargazers | asidjazz: Well there is no cron. | 09:46 |
| asidjazz | Stargazers: youd have to test load diff | 09:46 |
| sejo | good morning! | 09:46 |
| ruskie | a sleeping cron like fcron/hc-cran would to great | 09:46 |
| asidjazz | then you while (true) sleep(1) | 09:46 |
| asidjazz | theres gotta be some kinda cron functionality in maemo | 09:46 |
| *** murrayc has joined #maemo | 09:46 | |
| asidjazz | for events like getting mail | 09:46 |
| Stargazers | asidjazz: Well maybe it just uses that alarmd | 09:47 |
| ruskie | asidjazz, modest -t 30 | 09:47 |
| ruskie | that's what I've seen in the ps ax list | 09:47 |
| sejo | morning | 09:47 |
| Stargazers | What is modest? | 09:47 |
| Stargazers | Sounds familiar. | 09:47 |
| ruskie | with modest set to check mail every 30 minutes | 09:47 |
| ruskie | the mail client | 09:47 |
| Stargazers | Oh. | 09:47 |
| Stargazers | Thanks. | 09:47 |
| asidjazz | so it runs constantly | 09:47 |
| asidjazz | is the src availalbe of that i doubt it | 09:47 |
| sejo | someone knows if there is a solitaire for the maemo?getting iPhone withdrawals *grin* | 09:47 |
| ruskie | modest src is available | 09:47 |
| pekuja | sejo: Klondike, or any solitaire? | 09:48 |
| LinuxCode | sejo, I can help you with that dilemma | 09:48 |
| *** bergie_ has joined #maemo | 09:49 | |
| * LinuxCode takes sejo's n900 and hands sejo his own iphone | 09:49 | |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 09:49 |
| LinuxCode | probably be a while before I get a N900 | 09:49 |
| LinuxCode | ;-| | 09:49 |
| Stargazers | Btw I really, really love FM transimtter in N900. | 09:50 |
| ruskie | :) | 09:50 |
| * ruskie really really loves he can do sfdisk and repartition things | 09:50 | |
| pekuja | ... | 09:50 |
| ersin | i wish the n900 stuck with the 4.1" screen like the n8x0's | 09:50 |
| pekuja | yeah, that's what I want in a phone too | 09:50 |
| ersin | and i bet i'm probably the only one who wants that lol | 09:50 |
| pekuja | repartitioning | 09:50 |
| Stargazers | When I came to work this morning it was soooo sweet to put Nightwish's Angels Fall First -album to radio \o | 09:50 |
| LinuxCode | ersin, ? | 09:50 |
| ruskie | pekuja, to be precise a device I can do more or less anything to ;) | 09:50 |
| pekuja | sure :-) | 09:50 |
| ruskie | to bad it seems to be rather annoyed at times with the repartitioning | 09:51 |
| Stargazers | ersin: No you are not if you mean that you wish that screen size would be same than in n800. | 09:51 |
| pekuja | I do like that too. | 09:51 |
| ersin | the n900 is very far from nokia's original vision | 09:51 |
| ruskie | sometimes simply stops booting properly | 09:51 |
| Stargazers | But well, I love n900 still. | 09:51 |
| *** kwek has joined #maemo | 09:51 | |
| ruskie | just black screen | 09:51 |
| ersin | it's not really an internet tablet...i mean, it is fully a phone | 09:51 |
| ruskie | lol | 09:51 |
| ersin | i use my n800 to do desktop tasks believe it or not | 09:51 |
| ManuelSE_ | has anyone biuld zeemoted for fremantle? | 09:51 |
| ruskie | a phone is one app on it ;) | 09:51 |
| ersin | but it's impossible with n900 | 09:51 |
| LinuxCode | ersin, why ? | 09:51 |
| simula_ | what can an internet tablet do that an n900 can't? | 09:52 |
| ManuelSE_ | 10 percent smaller | 09:52 |
| ersin | manuelse_: exactly | 09:52 |
| *** fluff|afk is now known as fluff | 09:52 | |
| LinuxCode | dont grow so chubby ahnds then | 09:52 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 09:52 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 09:52 |
| ersin | 4" is the bare minimum to get stuff done, imo | 09:52 |
| pekuja | :-) | 09:52 |
| ersin | and i like the bare minimum | 09:52 |
| ManuelSE_ | many eyes are too old for n | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | then use a n8x0 tethered to a n900 ;p | 09:52 |
| ManuelSE_ | n900 | 09:52 |
| ersin | have you ever written a term paper on a n800? because i have done that many a time ;-) | 09:53 |
| LinuxCode | Stskeeps, haha | 09:53 |
| ersin | bah lol | 09:53 |
| LinuxCode | just get a small portable bt keybaord | 09:53 |
| ManuelSE_ | ersin has a point | 09:53 |
| ersin | i do have a keyboard, ofc | 09:53 |
| pekuja | I think maybe in an optimal world I would have an n800 tethered to a phone, but then I'd have to carry two devices around | 09:53 |
| simula_ | i would rather have a 3" screen i'll actually carry around with me than a 4" screen that stays at home :) | 09:53 |
| ManuelSE_ | some of us like bigger screens | 09:53 |
| asidjazz | so what apps that are in the repository are written in python? | 09:53 |
| pekuja | n900 is a better compromise I think | 09:53 |
| LinuxCode | pekuja, exactly | 09:53 |
| pekuja | well, currently I am carrying around a phone and an iPod | 09:53 |
| LinuxCode | if you want to do more, get a cheap netbook | 09:53 |
| ManuelSE_ | ersin, help make n900 awesome, and maemo popular | 09:54 |
| Xisdibik | <ersin> 4" is the bare minimum to get stuff done, imo <<< isnt that also what she said? :P | 09:54 |
| pekuja | but I only really have the iPod for the App Store | 09:54 |
| *** bergie_ has quit IRC | 09:54 | |
| ersin | pekuja, i don't see what it's a compromise between | 09:54 |
| pekuja | got it for pretty cheap too | 09:54 |
| Stargazers | Btw is there any way how I can make my N900 to work as wlan hotspot, like in JoikuSpot but without it? | 09:54 |
| pekuja | ersin: an internet tablet and a phone | 09:54 |
| pekuja | ersin: smaller than a tablet, more feature rich than a phone | 09:54 |
| ManuelSE_ | then the market will vbe big enough to allow ppl to biold more device variety | 09:54 |
| ersin | pekuja: i think it's pretty much 100% phone, and what n900 does is going to be standard real soon on phones | 09:54 |
| simula_ | then n900 is a little computer that happens to have a phone in it :) | 09:54 |
| ersin | manuelse_: i do plenty of work for the n800 as it is...as we speak i'm trying to recompile a new version of gtk+ ;-) | 09:55 |
| Stargazers | Btw do any of you have made sync work with google calendar and n900 calendar, or is it possible at all? | 09:55 |
| Stargazers | Just calendar stuff. | 09:55 |
| ManuelSE_ | great thank you | 09:55 |
| ManuelSE_ | :) | 09:55 |
| *** n6pfk has joined #maemo | 09:55 | |
| ersin | manuelse_: i'm the de facto abiword maintainer for maemo, and i'm trying to get the svn trunk branch to work...the compile stopped working because abiword 2.9 is using new versions of gtk | 09:56 |
| ersin | i have no idea if this is going to work | 09:56 |
| ersin | lol | 09:56 |
| simula_ | good luck ersin | 09:56 |
| ersin | *sigh* i wish mer were...*fill in blank* | 09:56 |
| johnxx | whoa. you're going to try and bring a newer gtk into maemo? | 09:56 |
| ersin | simula_: thanks | 09:56 |
| ersin | johnxx: yep | 09:57 |
| johnxx | and like install it in /opt or something? | 09:57 |
| ersin | nah | 09:57 |
| ersin | just gonna install it roughshod, let's see what happens ;-) | 09:57 |
| johnxx | no one will be able to install the application ... | 09:57 |
| johnxx | app manager wouldn't let them ;) | 09:57 |
| ersin | hmm, really? | 09:57 |
| cehteh | ersin: does it really depend on newer gtk or is that just a bogus dependency .. if it really depends, why, can some thing be ported back? | 09:57 |
| *** kalikiana has joined #maemo | 09:57 | |
| johnxx | also. it'd break the whole system if your forced it | 09:57 |
| ManuelSE_ | ersin abiword? that sounds like a challenge | 09:58 |
| ManuelSE_ | big one | 09:58 |
| Stargazers | Btw can I send SMSes from command line somehow? | 09:58 |
| * cehteh likes that emacs works :P | 09:58 | |
| Stargazers | VIM ftw \,,/ | 09:58 |
| Vratha | do you guys know where the pre-installed demo songs are located on the file system? i'm trying to remove them from the ssh session i have going on the phone | 09:58 |
| Stargazers | Have to install that some day. | 09:58 |
| johnxx | there was someone working on hildonizing abiword at some point ... | 09:58 |
| Stargazers | Vratha: /home/user/.sounds? | 09:58 |
| Vratha | oops... i should clarify. that's on the n900 | 09:58 |
| johnxx | Vratha, ~/MyDocs/.sounds | 09:58 |
| Vratha | ah sweet. thanks | 09:58 |
| Stargazers | Vratha: Meant /home/user/MyDocs/.sounds | 09:58 |
| ersin | cehteh: well it's not a real dependency *yet*, but it is real...basically new code was added to a header file that uses types that were introduced in gtk 2.18, whereas maemo uses gtk 2.10...so far not used yet, but prolly will be soon | 09:58 |
| sejo | LinuxCode: hahaah | 09:59 |
| ersin | manuelse_: it's already been done ;) add extras-devel to your list | 09:59 |
| sejo | LinuxCode: over my dead body *grin* | 09:59 |
| *** EricSagnes has quit IRC | 09:59 | |
| * LinuxCode gets a knife | 09:59 | |
| LinuxCode | ok! | 09:59 |
| sejo | LinuxCode: even without solitaire it's far out the best phone I ever had | 09:59 |
| ersin | johnxx: abiword has been hildonized for a while | 09:59 |
| cehteh | ersin: so maybe you can maintain a conditional build backport without the new gtk features? | 09:59 |
| LinuxCode | sejo, glad you say that ;-D | 09:59 |
| *** sleipnir has quit IRC | 10:00 | |
| sejo | pekuja: any form is good, klondike would be cool though | 10:00 |
| LinuxCode | just need more devs to package stuff | 10:00 |
| ersin | cehteh: yeah, i mean probably that won't even be necessary yet, we're just talking about one header file...but it would be nice to have updated libs | 10:00 |
| Vratha | johnxx, Stargazers : have either of you ever tried to sync your contacts from your iphone to the n900 using a mac? hoping i don't have to manually transcribe all that data | 10:00 |
| Vratha | i can only assume iTunes doesn't play nice with it | 10:00 |
| sejo | LinuxCode: having a 64bit sdk would help | 10:00 |
| Stargazers | Vratha: I have no mac nor iTunes. | 10:01 |
| ersin | cehteh: some would say that i should just give up and work on mer, but i actually really enjoy diablo, i think it's a very well thought out system, and the hw integration is crucial for me | 10:01 |
| johnxx | Vratha, can you have the iphone write them out to the SIM? | 10:01 |
| Stargazers | I use Linux and synced my contacts from my N82. | 10:01 |
| Vratha | ah, a quick google search revealed something | 10:01 |
| Vratha | johnxx: no, but i found an article saying that OS X's address book can export the vcards to the n900 if it's setup as a mass storage device | 10:01 |
| ruskie | hmm what is better to use? app manager or apt-get ? | 10:01 |
| Sargun | app manager | 10:02 |
| johnxx | Vratha, that might do it. | 10:02 |
| ruskie | even if using some of the more dangerous repos? | 10:02 |
| johnxx | You might even be able to blast the vcards at it en masse with bluetooth | 10:02 |
| johnxx | ruskie, even then. though you should use apt-get instead of red pill | 10:02 |
| ruskie | so far I had bad experience with the app manager... I'm thinking something from some repo maybe crashed something else | 10:03 |
| ruskie | because it seems taht I had a boot failure 2/3 after installing something using the app manager | 10:03 |
| cehteh | app manager is just a frontend | 10:03 |
| ruskie | one time it was caused by maemo mapper freezing and doing a force shutdown | 10:03 |
| ruskie | yeah but it doesn't list what is installing - if there are any dependencies | 10:04 |
| asidjazz | how does concatenation work in cpp? | 10:04 |
| cehteh | if some package is serious broken it doesnt matter which pill or if you used apt-get or dpkg | 10:04 |
| johnxx | they're under details-> dependencies I think (or similar) | 10:04 |
| cehteh | asidjazz: #define cat(a,b) a##b | 10:04 |
| asidjazz | wtf | 10:05 |
| ruskie | cehteh, well other than seeing what is being pulled in | 10:05 |
| Vratha | johnxx: well, actually, turns out that won't be how i want to do it, since i won't be able to go from the n900 to the mac. hopefully nokia will release an iSync plugin for the n900 before long | 10:05 |
| Stargazers | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36148 | 10:05 |
| asidjazz | cehteh: lets say i have something liek tihs | 10:05 |
| asidjazz | like this* | 10:05 |
| asidjazz | banner = hildon_banner_show_information(GTK_WIDGET(window), NULL, "Hi there! "); | 10:05 |
| Stargazers | If someone knows the answer it would be nice :) | 10:05 |
| asidjazz | i wanna concatenate a variable to "Hi there! " so i can see its contents | 10:05 |
| Vratha | Stargazers: haha, that would be pretty sweet, especially for scripts/apps that you setup | 10:06 |
| *** t_s_o has quit IRC | 10:06 | |
| Stargazers | Vratha: That would be. | 10:06 |
| cehteh | the preprocessor cant evaluate variables | 10:06 |
| Stargazers | Vratha: I feel a little bit a geeky nerd :D | 10:06 |
| Stargazers | When I am asking stuff like that. | 10:06 |
| cehteh | you have to contruct the string you want sprintf or whatever | 10:06 |
| johnxx | Vratha, I'm not the best person to ask about syncing. My N900 has quickly become the definitive source of info on contacts in the brief time I've had it. I am looking at how to sync it back to linux, but only half-heartedly | 10:06 |
| Stargazers | And when I am sshing in my phone via SSH-pipe (can't connet directly if on 3G because operator blocks ssh ports)... | 10:06 |
| *** guardian_ has quit IRC | 10:07 | |
| asidjazz | ok so | 10:07 |
| *** fab has joined #maemo | 10:07 | |
| johnxx | Stargazers, dbus maybe? I'd look at the SDK documentation | 10:07 |
| Stargazers | johnxx: If you find it, it would be nice if you could post it on that forum (so I can check it easier later because in IRC there is sooo much talking). | 10:07 |
| asidjazz | banner = hildon_banner_show_information(GTK_WIDGET(window), NULL, sprintf("Hi there! (%d)", banner_type)); | 10:08 |
| Stargazers | Have to do some work now o/ See ya, keep the maemo rocking \o | 10:08 |
| Vratha | johnxx: ah, okay. that was a nice thing about my iphone. i could pretty seamlessly keep everything integrated/synced easily | 10:08 |
| johnxx | Stargazers, sorry. I meant "if I were you, I would look at the documentation" | 10:08 |
| cehteh | asidjazz: i suggest you to get a C book :) | 10:08 |
| johnxx | I'm not going to look for you :) | 10:08 |
| Stargazers | johnxx: Oh, surely I will look it :) | 10:08 |
| asidjazz | warning: passing argument 2 of 'sprintf' makes pointer from integer without a cast | 10:08 |
| Stargazers | But now gotta go. | 10:08 |
| Stargazers | -> | 10:08 |
| asidjazz | cehteh: lol | 10:09 |
| cehteh | yeah thats wrong :P | 10:09 |
| johnxx | Vratha, like I said: maybe this stuff actually works and I just don't know because I'm on linux here | 10:09 |
| Vratha | maybe; i'll be looking into it | 10:09 |
| Vratha | nah, looks like nokia hasn't released an updated iSync for the n900 | 10:10 |
| Vratha | they sure seem to be taking their time on making this device feature complete | 10:11 |
| * ruskie tries the approach of reboot after every apt-get just to see if there's some app that shouldn't get installed | 10:12 | |
| asidjazz | cehteh: do u know the right way? | 10:12 |
| johnxx | I get the feeling they're busting @$$ as fast as possible, but their Maemo team is smaller than their Symbian | 10:12 |
| cehteh | yes | 10:12 |
| * Stskeeps is looking forward to seeing what pr1.1 updates | 10:12 | |
| *** ab[out] is now known as ab | 10:12 | |
| Vratha | johnxx: yeah, well, they gotta hurry up and catch up to Android and iPhone :) | 10:12 |
| *** rmoravcik has joined #maemo | 10:13 | |
| * ruskie disables extras-devel now that he got the one app he wanted from there | 10:13 | |
| cehteh | asidjazz: char buffer[32]; snprintf(buffer, 32, "Hi there! (%d)", banner_type); ... | 10:14 |
| *** sopi has joined #maemo | 10:14 | |
| *** sopi is now known as feri | 10:14 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 10:14 | |
| Venomrush | im trying to edit a file with vi | 10:15 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 10:15 | |
| Venomrush | can't find the 'Delete' key | 10:15 |
| *** Lorthirk has joined #maemo | 10:15 | |
| *** hotaru20 has quit IRC | 10:15 | |
| ruskie | Venomrush, insert mode use backspace | 10:15 |
| cehteh | %d is never more than 20 character, be careful about the buffer size that you dont overflow it, if in doubt handle the return for snprintf! | 10:15 |
| cehteh | err 10 chars .. n900 is 32 bit :) | 10:15 |
| Venomrush | ruskie, erh how to get to insert mode? | 10:16 |
| ruskie | i | 10:16 |
| Venomrush | ah | 10:16 |
| Venomrush | cool | 10:16 |
| ruskie | esc to get out of it | 10:16 |
| johnxx | where is esc? | 10:16 |
| ruskie | on the terminal | 10:16 |
| johnxx | right, right | 10:16 |
| johnxx | that's what I get for asking without my N900 in front of me | 10:17 |
| *** Khertan_n900 has quit IRC | 10:17 | |
| Venomrush | to save | 10:17 |
| Venomrush | i tried ctrl+c | 10:17 |
| Venomrush | wont come out | 10:17 |
| Venomrush | or asked me anything | 10:17 |
| ruskie | :x | 10:17 |
| ruskie | after you hit esc | 10:17 |
| johnxx | <esc>:wq | 10:17 |
| Vratha | if in doubt, use std::string :) | 10:17 |
| Venomrush | yeh hit esc | 10:17 |
| Venomrush | doesnt seem to save? | 10:17 |
| Venomrush | or pop up with any confirm text | 10:18 |
| *** `0660_ has joined #maemo | 10:18 | |
| ruskie | it won't | 10:18 |
| ruskie | it'll just save it | 10:18 |
| asidjazz | error: expected expression before 'char' | 10:18 |
| asidjazz | hmm | 10:18 |
| Venomrush | thats bad :\ | 10:18 |
| ruskie | :wq | 10:18 |
| ruskie | will write and quit | 10:18 |
| ruskie | don't forget to hit enter after it | 10:18 |
| johnxx | Venomrush, then vi is probably not for you :) | 10:18 |
| ruskie | it'll tell you ti saved | 10:18 |
| Venomrush | i use nano on ubuntu | 10:19 |
| Venomrush | not too keen with vi | 10:19 |
| Venomrush | pressed enter | 10:19 |
| Venomrush | nothing | 10:19 |
| Venomrush | :\ | 10:19 |
| Sargun | nano or bust | 10:20 |
| *** ashenburger has quit IRC | 10:20 | |
| asidjazz | i tried banner = hildon_banner_show_information(GTK_WIDGET(window), NULL, snprintf(buffer, 32, "Hi there! (%d) ", banner_type)); | 10:20 |
| cehteh | thats not what i showed :P | 10:20 |
| *** shpaq__ is now known as shpaq | 10:20 | |
| cehteh | asidjazz: char buffer[32]; snprintf(buffer, 32, "Hi there! (%d)", banner_type); banner = hildon_banner_show_information(GTK_WIDGET(window), NULL, buffer); | 10:21 |
| ruskie | hmm there any simple command to clean out /var/cache/apt/archives ? | 10:21 |
| Venomrush | how do i exit vi mode :\ | 10:21 |
| asidjazz | oh | 10:21 |
| ruskie | hit: esc | 10:21 |
| Venomrush | i did | 10:21 |
| johnxx | ruskie, apt-get clean | 10:21 |
| ruskie | type :q | 10:21 |
| Venomrush | it didnt go back :\ | 10:21 |
| *** asolsson has joined #maemo | 10:21 | |
| ruskie | and hit enter after :q | 10:21 |
| Venomrush | ''No write since last change' | 10:22 |
| Venomrush | didnt save it :\ | 10:22 |
| ruskie | so do: :wq | 10:22 |
| ruskie | and again enter | 10:22 |
| cehteh | or apt-get install emacs :P | 10:22 |
| asidjazz | cehteh: that really sucks to have to do that | 10:22 |
| asidjazz | <- spoiled by languages like php | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | Venomrush: your post mentions you have maemo devel enabled, and hence any illusions about rootfs not filling up is gone :P | 10:23 |
| Venomrush | i didnt install anything from devel | 10:23 |
| Venomrush | beside haze | 10:23 |
| Venomrush | or have any of the other apps with devel versions | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | Venomrush: no, but you might have gotten updates from there or not realizing it's in devel :P | 10:24 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, depends if one does some extra tricks ;) | 10:24 |
| *** Ashenburge has joined #maemo | 10:24 | |
| asidjazz | where can i find example apps in python | 10:24 |
| cehteh | asidjazz: well, i dont know gtk well, for my other stuff i have somethng like tmpbuf_snprintf("foo %d",1234) which returns a temporary buffer and you can use it like you tried to do | 10:24 |
| cehteh | but there is no such thing in the C stdlib | 10:24 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 10:24 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 10:24 | |
| Stskeeps | Venomrush: btw, crash reporter is bound to cause you full rootfs. it means it stores core files | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | (i think) | 10:25 |
| * ruskie disables maemo-testing now as well | 10:25 | |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, midori and python are the culprits | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | (probably) | 10:26 |
| Venomrush | havent got pymaemo installed :\ | 10:26 |
| *** yannj has joined #maemo | 10:26 | |
| Venomrush | midori so ja | 10:26 |
| *** dolfun has joined #maemo | 10:26 | |
| Stskeeps | Venomrush: sure? dpkg -l | grep python | 10:26 |
| Venomrush | 1 sec just rebooting | 10:26 |
| *** simula_ has quit IRC | 10:27 | |
| asidjazz | cehteh: hm | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | Venomrush: also i'm not sure openttd optifies it's data files | 10:30 |
| Venomrush | is there anyway to check? | 10:30 |
| dolfun | du | 10:31 |
| *** Venomrush has quit IRC | 10:31 | |
| ruskie | I wish there was better partitioning out of the box | 10:31 |
| *** BabelO has joined #maemo | 10:31 | |
| dolfun | dpkg -X package.deb . | 10:31 |
| *** trickie has joined #maemo | 10:31 | |
| dolfun | move files to opt | 10:31 |
| dolfun | then use ar to recreate the deb | 10:31 |
| dolfun | 4 minutes | 10:31 |
| *** Venomrush has joined #maemo | 10:31 | |
| johnxx | Venomrush: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33429&page=1 and http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Extras-testing/QA_Checklist#Checking_root_filesystem_usage | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | Venomrush: i guess checking if the files you manually installed from the original TTD are on internal flash or not | 10:32 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 10:32 | |
| X-Fade | Morning | 10:32 |
| *** X-Fade sets mode: -o X-Fade | 10:32 | |
| Stskeeps | morning X-Fade and welcome back at work :P | 10:32 |
| dolfun | if you don't want to patch against upstream directories, add symlinking to postinst | 10:32 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Thanks ;) | 10:33 |
| *** eton has quit IRC | 10:33 | |
| asidjazz | /usr/include/libosso.h:38:23: error: dbus/dbus.h: No such file or directory | 10:33 |
| asidjazz | grrr | 10:33 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 10:33 | |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: not so much to do about internal flash really | 10:33 |
| dolfun | does Till Harbaum have a nick on IRC? | 10:33 |
| *** Mece has joined #Maemo | 10:33 | |
| Stskeeps | dolfun: till-, i think | 10:33 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, well keep rootfs as is... but use the mmc for things like /usr as well | 10:34 |
| Venomrush | what's the diff between poweroff and softpoweroff ? | 10:34 |
| dolfun | it looks till- oh ty -- it looks like there is a way to get bluetooth mouse control for n900 | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: the problem is that mmc is slower than internal flash | 10:34 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 10:34 | |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: so you'll feel that for sure | 10:34 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, hmm I don't really | 10:34 |
| dolfun | for presentationns. can fremantle x.org handle joystick input devices | 10:34 |
| ruskie | and that's what I did | 10:34 |
| dolfun | put n900 attached to beamer, then use zeemote or usb device to control | 10:35 |
| dolfun | this would sell many devices | 10:35 |
| dolfun | hello world :) | 10:35 |
| johnxx | also, swap is on mmc so if it thrashes bad and you need to swap out and launch an app at the same time it's not very OPTimal :) | 10:35 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 10:35 | |
| ruskie | iirc there is a bluemaeom app in one of the repos that gives HID profiles | 10:35 |
| Mece | Venomrush, non soft is the -9 version? | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | that said, maemo changing to a system where it boots originally from MMC and then having fast-access stuff in NAND could be interesting | 10:36 |
| dolfun | thank you ruskie, i will look into this. | 10:36 |
| *** `0660 has quit IRC | 10:36 | |
| *** larswey has joined #maemo | 10:36 | |
| dolfun | very interesting Stskeeps | 10:36 |
| *** fredrin_ has joined #maemo | 10:36 | |
| dolfun | like /usr/bin or /tmp orwhat | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | well the stuff that has a performance need | 10:37 |
| dolfun | can we profile filel access on maemo os | 10:37 |
| dolfun | to find most accessed | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 10:37 |
| dolfun | heh heh | 10:37 |
| dolfun | power of linux | 10:37 |
| *** ssvb has quit IRC | 10:37 | |
| dolfun | maybe some smart filter to lsof type data | 10:38 |
| jaem_ | Stskeeps, why doesn't the Mer wiki have testing image pages anymore? | 10:38 |
| johnxx | hmmm...I'd really like to see unionfs actually work ... | 10:38 |
| Mece | how about swap in nand? | 10:38 |
| Mece | that could use some speed... | 10:38 |
| *** fluff is now known as fluff|afk | 10:38 | |
| Stskeeps | jaem_: we just mention them on mer-chatter | 10:38 |
| jaem_ | Stskeeps, ah... I was out of the loop for a while | 10:39 |
| johnxx | Mece, I think the idea is that you either want root on nand and swap on mmc or vice-versa | 10:39 |
| jaem_ | and bugs go to the main tracker, then? | 10:39 |
| *** trickie has quit IRC | 10:39 | |
| Stskeeps | jaem_: right | 10:39 |
| *** Ashenburge has quit IRC | 10:39 | |
| *** ashenburger has joined #maemo | 10:39 | |
| *** lbt_ has joined #maemo | 10:42 | |
| johnxx | hands down, the N900 is the best phone of all time: http://answers.polldaddy.com/poll/2343947/?view=results | 10:42 |
| *** andre__ has joined #maemo | 10:42 | |
| Venomrush | any particular reason why n900 starts network carrier's on boot rather than using the available wlan? | 10:43 |
| `0660_ | it's only for 2009 and i voted even though i haven't yet received my n900 :) | 10:43 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 10:44 | |
| johnxx | Venomrush, probably just a non-optimized situation since they don't expect you to reboot all that often | 10:44 |
| Mece | johnxx, lol | 10:44 |
| asidjazz | gcc -Wall -g $1.c -o $1 `pkg-config libosso gtk+-2.0 --cflags` -o $1 `pkg-config libosso gtk+-2.0 --libs` | 10:45 |
| asidjazz | now were talkin | 10:45 |
| johnxx | if it were any poll that actually mattered I'd feel a little pang of guilt that we totally stuffed the ballot boxes ... | 10:45 |
| johnxx | I think you can give it --cflags and --libs at the same time | 10:45 |
| asidjazz | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > gcc -Wall -g gtk_helloworld-1.c \ `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` -o gtk_helloworld-1 \ `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` | 10:47 |
| asidjazz | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > | 10:47 |
| asidjazz | how do i figure out which package thats in johnxx | 10:47 |
| asidjazz | woops wrong paste | 10:47 |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 10:47 | |
| johnxx | ah! a trick question | 10:47 |
| asidjazz | example_statusmenu.h:4:47: error: libhildondesktop/libhildondesktop.h: No such file or directory | 10:47 |
| asidjazz | im adding the hildon-1 libs/cfags | 10:48 |
| johnxx | dpkg -S libhildondesktop.h | 10:48 |
| johnxx | then: dpkg -L <pkg> | grep /usr/lib/pkg-config | 10:48 |
| ruskie | johnxx, iirc it's /usr/lib/pkgconfig | 10:50 |
| johnxx | thanks | 10:50 |
| Mece | johnxx, simply reaping the benefits of a community | 10:50 |
| asidjazz | libhildondesktop1-dev | 10:50 |
| asidjazz | hmm | 10:50 |
| * ruskie hopes ho won't get a brick this time around | 10:50 | |
| asidjazz | Package libhildondesktop1-dev was not found in the pkg-config search path. | 10:51 |
| johnxx | asidjazz, yeah. I gave you two commands to run | 10:51 |
| asidjazz | johnxx: that grep returned onthing | 10:51 |
| johnxx | ah, cut the grep off then | 10:51 |
| johnxx | I gave you the wrong dir as ruskie pointed out | 10:52 |
| * Mece wonders whatm problems ruskie's ho had with her/his device before... | 10:52 | |
| *** fredrin has quit IRC | 10:52 | |
| ruskie | Mece, I'm doing insane things with it ;) | 10:52 |
| asidjazz | johnxx http://pastie.org/731514 | 10:52 |
| johnxx | Mece, I think he got a piece of build material instead of a phone :) | 10:52 |
| ruskie | Mece, like repartitioning the eMMC, changing default shell etc... etc.. | 10:53 |
| ruskie | though I just hit an issue it seems | 10:53 |
| johnxx | asidjazz, looking at that ouput and my grep doesn't give you a clue as to what you're looking for? | 10:53 |
| ruskie | seems like it doesn't like changing the default shell | 10:53 |
| ruskie | atleast not for user | 10:53 |
| Mece | ruskie, lol, I thought you were referring to your wife... | 10:53 |
| ruskie | yay... fresh brick | 10:54 |
| *** Zeddy has joined #maemo | 10:54 | |
| ruskie | good thing I backed up /home/user just now | 10:54 |
| ruskie | though... f... | 10:54 |
| asidjazz | johnxx: gotcha | 10:54 |
| Zeddy | guys, anyone here that happends to know how one could doa drag-drop with the n900 browser.. :P | 10:54 |
| ruskie | I forgot to copy it over | 10:54 |
| asidjazz | this is odd | 10:54 |
| Mece | ruskie, thanks for the heads up, i was acually just about to try that | 10:54 |
| Zeddy | everytime i try dragging an element on a web page it just zooms in >-< | 10:54 |
| asidjazz | (.text+0x18): undefined reference to `main' | 10:54 |
| asidjazz | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status | 10:54 |
| asidjazz | woops | 10:54 |
| ruskie | Mece, :) | 10:54 |
| asidjazz | /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486/bin/../i486-pc-linux-gnu/libc/usr/lib/crt1.o: In function `_start': | 10:54 |
| asidjazz | (.text+0x18): undefined reference to `main' | 10:54 |
| asidjazz | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status | 10:54 |
| ruskie | I do wonder why it has this issue though | 10:54 |
| ruskie | it does lack a /etc/shells file | 10:55 |
| johnxx | Zeddy, trag in from the left, off screen, then tap the pointer icon that shows up | 10:55 |
| ruskie | so that might be it | 10:55 |
| *** lazni has left #maemo | 10:55 | |
| Mece | ruskie, what did you change it to? | 10:55 |
| ruskie | zsh | 10:55 |
| *** hrw|gone is now known as hrw | 10:55 | |
| ruskie | yes I've built my own zsh package | 10:55 |
| johnxx | ruskie, probably some script that's has some ash'ism and doesn't do the right thing in bash | 10:56 |
| Zeddy | no pointer for me :o | 10:56 |
| hrw | morning | 10:56 |
| Mece | ruskie, i was going with bash... | 10:56 |
| hrw | ~curse Quim for bug #5139 | 10:56 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5139 Provide multi-user chat (chatroom / IRC) support again | 10:56 |
| johnxx | mornin' hrw | 10:56 |
| asidjazz | ohwell im over this for a bit & | 10:56 |
| Zeddy | ok, got the pointer, but lol when i try clicking the pointer vanishes :p | 10:56 |
| ruskie | hmm I do wonder if there's a shells file somewhere that needs it in | 10:56 |
| ruskie | reflashes | 10:57 |
| hrw | ~curse DDP just to start a day | 10:57 |
| ruskie | I'll probably need the better part of the week for this | 10:57 |
| johnxx | Zeddy, keep trying. it should work. you just click on the pointer box once it shows up. then it should show a red line through it. drag all you want then click the pointer-box again to go back to normal mode | 10:58 |
| ruskie | good thing I'm documenting most of my changes | 10:58 |
| *** BBNS_ has joined #maemo | 10:59 | |
| * johnxx heads off to bed | 10:59 | |
| johnxx | 'night all | 10:59 |
| ruskie | from repartioning to others | 10:59 |
| Zeddy | oh you have to click the box :) thanks! | 10:59 |
| LinuxCode | nn johnxx | 10:59 |
| Zeddy | this is a pretty not-so-obvius thing :P | 10:59 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 10:59 | |
| *** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS | 10:59 | |
| *** pvanhoof has joined #maemo | 10:59 | |
| ruskie | now I'll try without any changes and just change the shell to zsh | 10:59 |
| ruskie | and see what happens | 10:59 |
| *** booiiing has quit IRC | 10:59 | |
| *** arachnist has quit IRC | 10:59 | |
| *** Corsac has quit IRC | 10:59 | |
| *** Myrtti has quit IRC | 10:59 | |
| *** Zombie3 has quit IRC | 10:59 | |
| *** fab has quit IRC | 10:59 | |
| *** _JP_ has quit IRC | 10:59 | |
| *** pwnguin has quit IRC | 10:59 | |
| *** marcoil has quit IRC | 10:59 | |
| *** golad has quit IRC | 10:59 | |
| *** hashier has quit IRC | 10:59 | |
| *** prozzerg has quit IRC | 10:59 | |
| *** vesa has quit IRC | 10:59 | |
| *** hashier_ has joined #maemo | 10:59 | |
| *** marcoil` has joined #maemo | 10:59 | |
| *** asolsson has quit IRC | 11:00 | |
| *** vesa has joined #maemo | 11:00 | |
| *** pwnguin has joined #maemo | 11:00 | |
| johnxx | ruskie, you caused a mini-netsplit. that's what happens :P | 11:00 |
| *** fab has joined #maemo | 11:00 | |
| ruskie | rofl | 11:00 |
| *** guardian has joined #maemo | 11:00 | |
| *** golad has joined #maemo | 11:01 | |
| *** Gadgetoid has quit IRC | 11:01 | |
| andre__ | whou. quim seems to be one a "moved to brainstorm" spree in bugzilla. | 11:01 |
| Venomrush | yup | 11:02 |
| *** asolsson has joined #maemo | 11:02 | |
| Venomrush | but you can also argue it's a bug | 11:02 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 11:03 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 11:03 | |
| Venomrush | as user expects this to happen but system is not doing it | 11:03 |
| Mece | hrw, that is actually annoying. i tested multi-user chat on gtalk. worked fine on N900.. | 11:03 |
| Mece | hrw, too bad you can't initiate one. | 11:03 |
| *** asolsson_ has joined #maemo | 11:04 | |
| *** johnxx has quit IRC | 11:05 | |
| hrw | Mece: I hope that will not end in 'it was not made in first maemo5 releases so will never be done by Nokia' | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: mm, maybe a bit premature since m.o is horribly slow, especially in brainstorm atm :/ | 11:07 |
| andre__ | well, I'm never sure either whether it's Brainstorm because it's too wide, or still an enhancement ticket in Bugzilla | 11:07 |
| andre__ | and in doubt I keep it. | 11:07 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 11:08 | |
| *** eton has joined #maemo | 11:08 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 11:08 | |
| *** _marcell_ has quit IRC | 11:09 | |
| bergie | Stskeeps: speed should be better when we get more reasonable hardware up :-) | 11:09 |
| *** fab_ has joined #maemo | 11:09 | |
| Stskeeps | bergie: yeah, of course - i'm just saying the timing isn't that good :) | 11:09 |
| X-Fade | I just kicked it a bit, should be a little faster now. | 11:10 |
| bergie | thx | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | a lot faster, too | 11:10 |
| ruskie | hmm ok confirmed it doesn't like /bin/zsh on user shell | 11:11 |
| hrw | how many regressions since maemo4 was already found? | 11:12 |
| hrw | maemo5 dropped chatroom support, got ugly fingerfriendly ui, something more? | 11:12 |
| *** tbf has joined #maemo | 11:12 | |
| *** sleipnir has joined #maemo | 11:12 | |
| ruskie | well reflash again | 11:13 |
| *** prusnak has joined #maemo | 11:13 | |
| andre__ | well, chatroom support was never officially supported. | 11:13 |
| ruskie | atleast now I know what the prob is | 11:13 |
| *** bilboed has joined #maemo | 11:13 | |
| *** zaheerm has joined #maemo | 11:13 | |
| zaheerm | lcuk, ping | 11:13 |
| *** fr01 has left #maemo | 11:13 | |
| asidjazz | what doesw * mean inside () in cpp | 11:13 |
| asidjazz | like void example_init (AppData * data) | 11:14 |
| zaheerm | it means a pointer | 11:14 |
| asidjazz | data? | 11:14 |
| *** cvandonderen has quit IRC | 11:14 | |
| zaheerm | so AppData *data is a pointer being passed as a parameter not the actual data | 11:14 |
| asidjazz | same as *data ? | 11:14 |
| asidjazz | oh so the space means nothing | 11:14 |
| asidjazz | k | 11:14 |
| *** cvandonderen has joined #maemo | 11:14 | |
| zaheerm | nothing | 11:14 |
| hrw | andre__: o rly? I just started IM on os2008 and in menu Chat I have "Enter char room..." "Chat rooms..." options | 11:14 |
| hrw | andre__: I would not call it 'unsupported' | 11:15 |
| *** L0cutus has joined #maemo | 11:15 | |
| asidjazz | zaheerm: and that means when data is modified outside of this function its reflected in the function? | 11:15 |
| andre__ | hrw, oh really? thanks for misunderstanding my words by purpose | 11:15 |
| andre__ | i think you know what i meant. | 11:15 |
| asidjazz | zaheerm: and it can modify the stuff in data and itll replicate outside of the function ? | 11:15 |
| zaheerm | asidjazz, there is no replication | 11:15 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 11:16 | |
| hrw | andre__: for me if feature is available in official firmware then it is supported. | 11:16 |
| asidjazz | right but other than that im right? :) | 11:16 |
| andre__ | hrw, then you've learned something today: it's not like that. | 11:16 |
| *** eichi has joined #maemo | 11:16 | |
| lcuk | hey zaheerm | 11:16 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 11:16 | |
| *** JoeBrain has quit IRC | 11:17 | |
| hrw | andre__: sure. will maemo6 remove wifi encryption and tell that this was never supported even when available? | 11:17 |
| andre__ | hrw, but sure, it sucks that it's missing in maemo5 :-/ | 11:17 |
| zaheerm | lcuk, can you pm me your email address so i can send you that video editor slide | 11:17 |
| *** JoeBrain has joined #maemo | 11:17 | |
| andre__ | hrw, I can't talk in public about features, sorry. | 11:17 |
| *** JoeBrain has quit IRC | 11:18 | |
| hrw | andre__: I am used to nokia devices missing obvious things or have them made in wrong way | 11:18 |
| PaulFertser | andre__: lol, that's maemo in action | 11:18 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 11:18 | |
| zaheerm | hrw, maemo 5 is not maemo 4 | 11:18 |
| suihkulokki | 11:16 < hrw> andre__: for me if feature is available in official firmware then it is supported. | 11:18 |
| andre__ | yeah. and not s60 either. but people don't get it... | 11:18 |
| suihkulokki | so everything created by comminuty is not usable? | 11:18 |
| *** JoeBrain has joined #maemo | 11:18 | |
| hrw | zaheerm: I know. but I would except it to be next step ahead from maemo4 not next step back | 11:18 |
| zaheerm | andre__, however there is no harm suggesting things in bugzilla that work in both s60 world, maemo 4 and other platforms as things to work on | 11:19 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 11:19 | |
| zaheerm | hrw, i don't think anyone will call maemo 5 a step back | 11:19 |
| hrw | suihkulokki: I do not want to use pidgin for IM if system provides me IM | 11:19 |
| andre__ | zaheerm, sure. but I get bored by people screaming "regression" when coming from s60 | 11:19 |
| PaulFertser | zaheerm: suggesting is the key word. But nobody will even answer about whether it's planned to implement your suggestion or not just because no nokia employee is allowed to "talk about features". | 11:19 |
| hrw | andre__: I have os2005/6/7/8 and s60v3fp1 experience and will move to maemo5 (if DDP will ever work) | 11:20 |
| andre__ | PaulFertser, ask the marketing guys to get an answer. "nobody" is wrong. and you know that. | 11:20 |
| zaheerm | PaulFertser, well some have mentioned that it is in process of implementation | 11:20 |
| lcuk | zaheerm, why dont you put all the info up publicly and that way everyone gets benefit :) my address to ping the url to will be liquid@gmail | 11:20 |
| PaulFertser | andre__: nobody among the engineers. I can't trust marketing guys, sorry. | 11:20 |
| lcuk | after work tonight im gonna write up a full thing about the weekend :) | 11:20 |
| zaheerm | lcuk, i will, but want to scan all the slides first before putting what i already have digitally | 11:20 |
| hrw | andre__: marketing guys can tell anything | 11:20 |
| andre__ | PaulFertser, then enjoy live in North Korea. sorry for capitalism. | 11:20 |
| andre__ | hrw, so if something accidentially works (like google sync for some people by using MfE) though it was ever tested it's "unsupported". but well, I think we both know :) | 11:21 |
| hrw | andre__: and then engineers will kill marketing team for giving round popups for people | 11:21 |
| lcuk | yeah so if you were gonna send to me if oyu need a couple of days to process themthen do that, dont rush on my behalf ive got work | 11:21 |
| PaulFertser | andre__: the fact capitalism is evil doesn't make North Korea's regime any better and you know that. | 11:21 |
| hrw | andre__: yep | 11:21 |
| * Stskeeps gets the popcorn | 11:22 | |
| Stskeeps | openness discussion first at 10am instead of 8am, impressive | 11:22 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 11:22 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 11:22 | |
| ruskie | hmm ok definately does not like /bin/zsh... now tested a few times and it's consistent | 11:22 |
| zaheerm | regarding google sync, i spent quite a chunk of my weekend working on multi calendar sync and it works (though command line only so far) | 11:22 |
| *** inz has joined #maemo | 11:22 | |
| zaheerm | http://www.flickr.com/photos/aandza/4164018365/ is a screenshot | 11:22 |
| ruskie | atleast not as changed in passwd | 11:22 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: i'm not for discussion, i just loled again over "regression/offical feature" argument. I didn't come here again to lose everybody's time. | 11:23 |
| PaulFertser | /me's off | 11:23 |
| hrw | zaheerm: as long as it does not support any SyncML server (like scheduleworld) I will complain anyway | 11:23 |
| SpeedEvil | how do I set the SMS centre number? | 11:23 |
| ruskie | make it use te one from the sim card? | 11:23 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, I'm sorry that I got up that late ;-) | 11:23 |
| asidjazz | so something like program = HILDON_PROGRAM(hildon_program_get_instance()); | 11:23 |
| zaheerm | hrw, feel free to complain or add to the brainstorm about google sync (not that google calendar supports syncml) | 11:23 |
| asidjazz | what exacty is HILDON_PROGRAM() | 11:23 |
| andre__ | PaulFertser, I disagree already with "the fact capitalism is evil", obviously :) | 11:23 |
| asidjazz | why is it in capitals | 11:24 |
| PaulFertser | andre__: as a sidenote, i bet you do not trust the marketing guys either. | 11:24 |
| hrw | asidjazz: go to developer wiki and read examples + docs | 11:24 |
| andre__ | depends on "trust"... | 11:24 |
| zaheerm | hrw, you are free to modify my code and add some random syncml implementation to replace the gdata stuff | 11:24 |
| asidjazz | hrw: i mean generally .. like why is it in capitals? | 11:24 |
| hrw | zaheerm: iirc I added notes there | 11:24 |
| hrw | asidjazz: because it is macro | 11:24 |
| andre__ | PaulFertser, I don't know enough about their work to be able to say whether I trust them or not... | 11:24 |
| asidjazz | ah a macro | 11:24 |
| hrw | zaheerm: I am sick each time when I look at syncml libraries direction | 11:25 |
| SpeedEvil | ruskie: SMS seems not to work outbound - hence the question - so I was wanting to check. | 11:25 |
| PaulFertser | andre__: that you can rely on them, that you can expect their answers to be honest etc. Just think about your attitude to the marketing of any other company, e.g. when you're buying a fridge or a car? I bet you're very sceptical about what they say and promise. Nokia's marketing can't be any different, since they share the same capitalistic attitude as you've noted. | 11:26 |
| *** feri has left #maemo | 11:26 | |
| *** eichi has quit IRC | 11:26 | |
| andre__ | PaulFertser, have Nokia marketing folks been dishonest to you? | 11:26 |
| andre__ | PaulFertser, I like capitalism. | 11:26 |
| * hrw hopes that n900 will not repeat 6310i bugs | 11:27 | |
| hrw | ;D | 11:27 |
| zaheerm | lcuk, ok will put everything on maemo wiki once i have it all digital | 11:27 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 11:27 | |
| lcuk | \o/ sounds like a plan | 11:27 |
| PaulFertser | andre__: i'd say the "supported features" issue is all about dishonest marketing. | 11:27 |
| andre__ | PaulFertser, ah, i get your point | 11:28 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 11:28 | |
| PaulFertser | andre__: also, the usb host issue. What's about that? Why nobody can get a distinct answer whether it can actually work or not and what are the restrictions? | 11:28 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 11:28 | |
| andre__ | hmm. I must admit that I don't know exactly that the usb host issue is | 11:29 |
| Zeddy | btw, i just recently learned QT, and made a few graphical applications for the windows platform | 11:29 |
| Zeddy | how different is it to code maemo apps with qt? | 11:29 |
| PaulFertser | andre__: keeping the information about this major feature is something dishonest i'd say. Everybody knows that the SoC used is indeed capable of that. So they expect to see usb host supported. Keeping silence is dishonest. Either they say it's possible with given restrictions or they say it's not possible due to that and that. Keeping silence _is_ dishonest. | 11:30 |
| Zeddy | is there a crazy learning curve? =) | 11:30 |
| PaulFertser | andre__: many people want usb host support on n900. And nobody can tell for sure if it's possible with given hardware. | 11:30 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 11:30 | |
| *** trickie has joined #maemo | 11:30 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 11:30 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 11:31 | |
| andre__ | PaulFertser, http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_host_mode ? | 11:31 |
| PaulFertser | andre__: officially it's unsupported, yes. But is it possible at all or not is of interest to the majority. Nobody cares about "officially supported", it's a general purpose computer after all, talking about the features just doesn't fit this context. But hardware is what matters. | 11:31 |
| hrw | Zeddy: my application from destkop builds fine for maemo5 without code changes. but UI need lot of work | 11:31 |
| andre__ | ...or is that wiki page for N8x0 only? /me wondering | 11:32 |
| Zeddy | oh | 11:32 |
| PaulFertser | andre__: yes, this one. For n900. | 11:32 |
| Zeddy | so the ui elements work differently depending on platform | 11:32 |
| dolfun | UI on a lot of ports needs a lot of work to come up to Maemo5 standards | 11:32 |
| Zeddy | allright | 11:32 |
| dolfun | in the N800 days, it was ok to have a butt-ugly gtk mess | 11:32 |
| hrw | Zeddy: basically prepare for making UI from scratch | 11:32 |
| Zeddy | ouch | 11:32 |
| dolfun | yea | 11:32 |
| Zeddy | but a application built for maemo works fine on windows? | 11:33 |
| hrw | Zeddy: my app has simple UI but amount of required changes make me stop maemo5 development of it for now | 11:33 |
| hrw | Zeddy: will but will be not comfortable to use | 11:33 |
| Zeddy | ok | 11:33 |
| hrw | Zeddy: maemo5 UI bases on many QMainWindows linked to each other etc | 11:34 |
| Zeddy | O_o | 11:34 |
| Zeddy | that sounds ugly imo | 11:34 |
| hrw | thats my feeling after some playing | 11:34 |
| hrw | Zeddy: #qt-maemo will tell you more | 11:34 |
| Zeddy | oh cool | 11:34 |
| cehteh | QMainWindow? .. sounds like QT/Maemo6 | 11:34 |
| andre__ | PaulFertser, good question. So did somebody ask Nokia about this? | 11:34 |
| hrw | cehteh: maemo6? I use Qt on maemo5sdk | 11:35 |
| hrw | ~curse ddp | 11:35 |
| cehteh | ah ok | 11:35 |
| PaulFertser | andre__: they did, on the omap-kernel ml. The answer was that due to stupid nobody-needs-that-damn-usb-logo certification issue they decided to "disable it". No further clarifications followed. | 11:35 |
| lcuk | zaheerm, since hte video editor had a lot of interest, are there any other people with notes that they can get uploaded. if you make a start on the wiki page about it, perhaps others can help you flesh it out | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: ah, but they do need USB logo or face possible legal action if they have to claim it's USB :/ | 11:36 |
| andre__ | PaulFertser, ahem, well, certification/PICS issues can easily trigger some lawsuits... | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: URL for post? | 11:36 |
| *** ivan4th has quit IRC | 11:37 | |
| *** trickie has quit IRC | 11:37 | |
| zaheerm | lcuk, yep will start, i collated all the notes people made on friday and i will scan them at some point today | 11:37 |
| andre__ | btw, I guess that bug 5300 has some similar reasoning currently (certification issues) | 11:37 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5300 Support sending files via Bluetooth in file manager | 11:37 |
| lcuk | yeah there was a big wodge of them, did you get them all, or has bilboed got some? | 11:38 |
| *** _marcell_ has joined #maemo | 11:38 | |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: certification is (sadly) a needed thing and something many open source projects don't pay attention to :/ if they did, some of the stuff might be less crazy | 11:39 |
| *** sejo has quit IRC | 11:40 | |
| *** zs has joined #maemo | 11:41 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 11:43 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 11:43 | |
| *** wazd_ has joined #maemo | 11:44 | |
| Mece | Stskeeps, I kinda like the crazyness... | 11:44 |
| *** petrux has joined #maemo | 11:44 | |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: cos otherwise they might be opening themselves to lawsuits if they claim Bluetooth support etc.. :P | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | (personally i think many open source projects are living in a fairy tale bubble but so it goes..) | 11:45 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 11:45 | |
| *** sejo has joined #maemo | 11:48 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 11:49 | |
| suihkulokki | PaulFertser: notice that the host usb (especially when using musb instead of ehci) on beagleboard isn't exactly reliable either | 11:49 |
| * ruskie belives most of the world is living in a fairy tail called capitalism | 11:49 | |
| hrw | I have some idea about testing is usb host possible on n900 but prefer to wait and check it on device | 11:51 |
| *** Gadgetoid has joined #Maemo | 11:52 | |
| *** Mece has quit IRC | 11:55 | |
| *** gn_ has joined #maemo | 11:55 | |
| PaulFertser | andre__: Stskeeps: they can avoid claiming official usb support | 11:56 |
| *** JamieBennett has quit IRC | 11:57 | |
| Stskeeps | might work in china or russia but doubt in europe.. | 11:57 |
| *** gn_ has left #maemo | 11:57 | |
| andre__ | PaulFertser, do you have the URL for the omap-kernel ml posting? | 11:58 |
| * andre__ searches the backlog | 11:58 | |
| PaulFertser | andre__: sure, i'll find it | 11:58 |
| andre__ | thanks | 11:58 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: what? You just do not claim your device is usb-compatible and that's it. | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: yeah, and you lose a lot of money since your customers won't buy it cos it's seemingily not usb compatible.. | 11:59 |
| hrw | my idea is: for now n900 has usb device + usb charging implemented. so all 4 usb lines are in use: +5V, GND, D+, D- ones. usb device require gnd/d+/d-, charging require +5v/gnd ones. usb host require same as usb device but is expected to have something on +5v line (which n900 cannot provide). | 11:59 |
| dolfun | european government outlaws non-standard USB? | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: how was it on the 770? i think it might be a similar situation | 11:59 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: you can say that it's usb-like interface probably compatible with most other usb devices. And tell the story about the stupid certification. | 11:59 |
| hrw | what if we use microusb cable with +5v line cutted off + self-powered usbhub/usbdevice and then load selfbuilt kernel module for ehci/musb? | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: that's what i'm thinking too.. | 12:00 |
| dolfun | or invent a new name "USBplus!" | 12:00 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: it is same on all devices which has usbhost. on n900 you just need to cut +5v line for device safety | 12:00 |
| andre__ | uhm, "usb like" instead of usb? well, don't know if i'd buy that... | 12:00 |
| *** BBNS_ has joined #maemo | 12:00 | |
| PaulFertser | andre__: Stskeeps: linked from the WP n900 article :) http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-September/020830.html | 12:00 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 12:00 | |
| ruskie | hmm is there a way to remove all the google stuff out of the browser? i.e. I don't want to have a use google to search for this at all? | 12:00 |
| *** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS | 12:00 | |
| andre__ | thanks! | 12:00 |
| dolfun | (compatible witth most usb 2.0 devices) | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: that's maemo-developers, not linux-omap, but OK :) | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: either way, a company that deals highly in certification (telecommunications, etc), i doubt they're going to do that.. | 12:01 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: with 770 I did not played with usb host. with n810 nothing needs to be done - it just works when usbdevice has own power | 12:01 |
| sejo | ruskie: i think it is possible yes | 12:01 |
| sejo | ruskie: let me check | 12:01 |
| ruskie | sejo, I checked about:config and removed stuff but that still showed up | 12:01 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: i'm not sure freerunners has passed any usb certification and it was never an issue with anything. | 12:01 |
| ruskie | frankly I'm not to concerned if it would require recompiling it | 12:01 |
| *** v2n900 has joined #Maemo | 12:02 | |
| hrw | Stskeeps: how it is with n900? no idea. so far I had less then 5 minutes in total with n900 in hands | 12:02 |
| sejo | ruskie: ach no can't find something sorry | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: i am personally waiting for you and fanoush to get n900s in your hands :P | 12:02 |
| * ruskie wonders why | 12:02 | |
| *** wazd has quit IRC | 12:03 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 12:03 | |
| hrw | Stskeeps: I wonder when my bank will decide to remove 250€ lock from my card. tomorrow it will be 4weeks since order | 12:03 |
| dolfun | serge, fanoush, hrw could have been approached to receie prototypes | 12:03 |
| *** LinuxCode has quit IRC | 12:03 | |
| dolfun | this was an oversight by (cough) someone | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | dolfun: serge..? | 12:03 |
| *** EricSagnes_ has quit IRC | 12:03 | |
| dolfun | mplayer dude | 12:03 |
| hrw | dolfun: que? | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | dolfun: works for nokia | 12:03 |
| ruskie | hmm nice... my privacy guard for the n900 has been sent processed and will be shipped out today | 12:04 |
| dolfun | oh | 12:04 |
| dolfun | since when | 12:04 |
| *** sphenxes01 has joined #maemo | 12:04 | |
| hrw | dolfun: and which n900 prototype? rover had many of them rather | 12:04 |
| *** sphenxes has quit IRC | 12:04 | |
| PaulFertser | andre__: this post http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-September/020836.html doesn't convince me. AFAIK there's nothing special about usb A connectors, i do not know of any extra line that should go from it anywhere. | 12:04 |
| hrw | dolfun: I remember rover talks when OH existed so ~2 years ago | 12:04 |
| dolfun | ah | 12:04 |
| dolfun | sorry then it was just fanoush | 12:04 |
| dolfun | but then again, recent activity is what gets noticed | 12:05 |
| dolfun | <end> | 12:05 |
| hrw | anyway time will show | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | dolfun: mm. the push was towards getting apps into extras (pre-summit), then the summit (300 loaner devices), and then the slightly malfunctioning DDP | 12:06 |
| dolfun | do anyonen here use new vmware sdk prefinal_ | 12:06 |
| dolfun | does | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_OTG | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | go read the micro plugs | 12:06 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: DDP still is at 'we accept orders only' stage | 12:06 |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 12:06 | |
| Stskeeps | hrw: hence my notion of slightly malfunctioning | 12:06 |
| *** Zuzzurellone has joined #maemo | 12:06 | |
| dolfun | wondering if it makes my live easy or difficult | 12:06 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: i know but SoC supports host-mode, there's no need for OTG. | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: true, and that's why i wonder if it's possible to do with a special cable or kernel adjustment | 12:07 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: well, otg is not possible on n900, hell with it. But why a simple host-mode can be not possible is unclear. | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: either way you'd need to switch it into host mode from very beginning | 12:07 |
| *** BabelO_ has joined #maemo | 12:07 | |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: sure | 12:07 |
| BabelO_ | join #qt-maemo | 12:07 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: so you see, everybody's wondering but nokia marketing guys do not give a damn about it, uncool, heh? | 12:08 |
| hrw | PaulFertser: omap3 iirs has two usb ports - one of them is OTG, second is not. which one nokia used? | 12:08 |
| *** prusnak has quit IRC | 12:08 | |
| Stskeeps | probably the otg one, for gadget | 12:08 |
| hrw | yep | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: well did anyone step up and ask specific questions? .. | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: like, "what's the new pinout of the usb port then" or "wouldn't it technically be possible to force the port into host mode from kernel initialization" | 12:09 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: yes, the ML post was just about that, the specific questions. Where to ask those questions anyway? bugtracker? It's software-only. Maemo ML? Already tried, software-only too. Just where? | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: show me your ML post | 12:09 |
| *** lcuk has quit IRC | 12:09 | |
| *** JamieBennett has joined #maemo | 12:10 | |
| *** lcuk has joined #maemo | 12:10 | |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: that's not my ML post but it asks specific questions: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-September/020834.html | 12:10 |
| PaulFertser | If it's "not possible at all" there's no point asking about registers or pinouts. | 12:10 |
| sejo | is there someone working on the caldav support? | 12:11 |
| *** prusnak has joined #maemo | 12:11 | |
| *** swc|666 has quit IRC | 12:11 | |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-September/020836.html | 12:12 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: btw, freerunner is not OTG-capable but we can switch to/from hostmode whenever is needed. | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | it was answered by one of the top honchos :P | 12:12 |
| *** Acedip has joined #maemo | 12:12 | |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: he says he's no usb expert. His answer lacks details so i doubt it's correct. | 12:12 |
| hrw | btw - is there a way to grab maemo-dev ML archive as mbox? | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: he's one of the main kernel guys and you have to consider that devices HW and SW was seperate until recently | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | chances are they might still be physically seperate | 12:13 |
| *** imganquan has quit IRC | 12:13 | |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: there's no need for extra lines when you switch host/device manually. Probably otg is impossible, ok. But the host mode doesn't require anything extra. And he doesn't even say if the hardware has a power-converter to supply something over the usb or not. | 12:13 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: so whom to ask? Mythical hardware guys nobody's seen ever? | 12:14 |
| * w00t notes that replying to that mail would have made a good first step | 12:14 | |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: i'd say get going with checking out the pins on the USB plug and see if you can modify the kernel to force it into host mode. | 12:15 |
| PaulFertser | w00t: do you propose me to reply to that mail asking specific hardware questions? | 12:15 |
| *** prusnak has quit IRC | 12:15 | |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: and yes, then people have something to point at if they roam the buildings for people to ask about it. | 12:15 |
| *** Acedip has quit IRC | 12:16 | |
| *** BBNS_ has joined #maemo | 12:16 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 12:16 | |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: the pins are exactly the same. There're two additional pulldown (?) resistors needed and i do not know if they included in the design or should be connected externally. The same about power supply. | 12:16 |
| *** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS | 12:16 | |
| Stskeeps | and get specific answers | 12:16 |
| RST38h | <yawn> So, are we having another "all hardware must be free or ELSE" debate? | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: nop | 12:16 |
| w00t | that's what -i'd- do, yes | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: well that's valuable knowledge then | 12:17 |
| * sivang wonders why people call themselves w00t | 12:17 | |
| RST38h | Good, 'cause it was getting boring | 12:17 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: ok, will do today's evening, thanks for the pointers. In fact if i could get a hold of the n900 schematics i think i could have obtained the answer myself. | 12:17 |
| w00t | sivang: I've been called this for around 8-9 years now, it's a bit too late to change it really | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: yeah, but chinese copyists yadda yadda :P | 12:17 |
| sivang | w00t: I see, how old were you when you were named this ? | 12:18 |
| *** bigbrovar has joined #maemo | 12:18 | |
| w00t | sivang: 14ish | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: but anyway, for any particular problem that's not easy to find information on, you need to poke people and roam the halls of either the internet or nokia offices to get a answer :P | 12:18 |
| sivang | w00t: right, okay | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | so with good questions in your hand you can get far | 12:18 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: they were copying nokia phones before, they will continue to do that today and tomorrow. I seriously doubt hiding schematics has any measurable economical benefit. | 12:18 |
| sivang | anybody knows how am I supposed to have a bash terminal spit out GUI to the Xephyr from the scratchbox shell ? | 12:19 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: ok, thanks a lot, i'll prepare a set of questions. | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: i've had chinese manufactors ask me to not publish schematics. | 12:19 |
| sivang | I want to run an app from there, and see the ouput and UI at the emulator | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | that's how tough the market is even over there. | 12:19 |
| sivang | also, I cannot find where to install PyGTK on it, it is not in any catalogue or source that comes with the SDK | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: anyway, CC me (carsten@maemo.org) on the questions, a | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 12:20 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: sure. Do you by any chance know if maemo-developers require subscription? | 12:20 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 12:20 | |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: can't recall sorry | 12:20 |
| PaulFertser | np | 12:20 |
| *** prusnak has joined #maemo | 12:20 | |
| PaulFertser | see you later, thanks to all for constructive suggestions. :) | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | and if you need me to review it before sending, i'll be happy to | 12:21 |
| *** bilboed has quit IRC | 12:22 | |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: i'll do my best to avoid all my nasty words and nokia criticism, so no need to worry ;) | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it's easier to get answers on questions that doesn't come with papercuts that come out at you when you read them | 12:23 |
| sivang | do I add sources by hand to the sources.list file ? | 12:23 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 12:23 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:23 |
| *** andre__ has quit IRC | 12:23 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 12:23 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 12:24 | |
| sivang | PaulFertser: what nasty worlds and nokia criticism? You should have had a SAMSUNG cell phone, then you'd feel the need to criticise and curse :) | 12:24 |
| *** Gadgetoid has quit IRC | 12:25 | |
| sivang | PaulFertser: s/worlds/words/ | 12:25 |
| PaulFertser | sivang: btw, do you know raster is working on one? And it'll have proper upstream kernel, X and E preinstalled? Should be really fancy. | 12:25 |
| sivang | PaulFertser: ah nice, who is rater? | 12:26 |
| sivang | raster | 12:26 |
| sivang | what's E? | 12:26 |
| PaulFertser | sivang: i mean samsung hired raster quite some time ago and they aim to produce something fancy that will be a real GNU/Linux device. | 12:26 |
| sivang | ah nice | 12:26 |
| sivang | still their hardware and UIs are unintuitive to me and a bunch of Israeli custoemrs. | 12:26 |
| PaulFertser | sivang: Enlightment, and Raster is one of the great hackers/artists who's a primary author of E. | 12:26 |
| sivang | (Actually a large base) | 12:26 |
| sivang | PaulFertser: I thougth enlightment was a goner, nice to see it will be resorected | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: re that i don't think that's exactly what they're trying to do .. raster is trying to push something like it | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: but as with any company it's an uphill battle | 12:27 |
| * sivang pets GTK/Qt/Maemo | 12:27 | |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: indeed. But i prefer to hope for the better ;) | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: so technically you could end up with a locked up samsung phone that happens to run EFL | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:27 |
| glass_ | sammys prob is having too many baskets | 12:28 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 12:28 | |
| PaulFertser | sivang: elementary is damn nice and fancy and in fact more optimised. Very clueful graphic optimisation code. And it also features another approach to the theming: most of the gui logic can be themed, that's quite the contrast with other popular toolkits. | 12:28 |
| *** yannj_fr has joined #maemo | 12:29 | |
| hrw | PaulFertser: you know that E17 do not require X? | 12:29 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 12:29 | |
| PaulFertser | hrw: i think yes, it has opengles render etc. But i can assure you that raster respects FDO standards much more than maemo designers. | 12:29 |
| sejo | weird when calling people don't hear me? | 12:30 |
| sivang | PaulFertser: google finds stuff about elementary schools | 12:30 |
| sejo | I hear them but not the way around | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | sejo: did you install FM radio? | 12:30 |
| sejo | Stskeeps: yes | 12:30 |
| sivang | sejo: dude, how do I install bash/ipython onto the scratchbox and run them from the maemo desktop? | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | sejo: you'd want to get rid of that | 12:30 |
| * sivang high fives sejo | 12:30 | |
| PaulFertser | sivang: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Elementary | 12:31 |
| sejo | hey sivang have no idea hoven't done that yet | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | sejo: you'll need to reflash or remove fm radio to get your microphone back. FM radio breaks something atm it seems | 12:31 |
| sivang | sejo: ah okay, I'll continue searching the wiki | 12:32 |
| sivang | sejo: thanks anyway :) | 12:32 |
| sivang | PaulFertser: ah, looks a bit too minimalistic | 12:32 |
| sivang | (in my tsate) | 12:32 |
| sivang | as in 'doll' | 12:32 |
| sejo | Stskeeps: oops | 12:32 |
| PaulFertser | sivang: not really, you can use full Edje theming powers with it. | 12:32 |
| hrw | btw - can someone remind me default prtitions on n900? | 12:33 |
| sejo | bleh uninstall doesn't do the trick | 12:33 |
| Sargun | hey PaulFertser, got your n900 yet? | 12:33 |
| sejo | Stskeeps: how do I reflash it? | 12:34 |
| *** kalikiana has quit IRC | 12:34 | |
| ruskie | hrw, / ubifs /home mmcblk1p2 /home/user/MyDocs mmcblk0p1 and swap mmcblk0p3 | 12:34 |
| Sargun | ubifs? | 12:34 |
| hrw | ruskie: what sizes? | 12:34 |
| hrw | Sargun: ubifs | 12:34 |
| hrw | Sargun: fs for flash chips | 12:34 |
| ruskie | 256, 2gb, everything else, 768 | 12:34 |
| hrw | ruskie: and /opt/ is? | 12:35 |
| ruskie | ln -s /home/opt /opt | 12:35 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 12:35 | |
| hrw | argh | 12:36 |
| *** kalikiana has joined #maemo | 12:36 | |
| Stskeeps | sejo: | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | ~flashing | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 12:36 |
| * Stskeeps pokes infobot | 12:36 | |
| *** mikhas has joined #maemo | 12:37 | |
| ersin | yo this is a totally n00b question but here goes anyway | 12:37 |
| ersin | how does everyone do that "pokes whatever" or "does action" stuff in irc? | 12:37 |
| ruskie | /me something | 12:37 |
| * ersin gets it finally | 12:37 | |
| ersin | thank you very much, that's been driving me crazy | 12:37 |
| w00t | hehe | 12:37 |
| PaulFertser | sivang: i'm not even going to | 12:38 |
| ruskie | :) | 12:38 |
| PaulFertser | Sargun: ^^ | 12:38 |
| *** mairas has joined #maemo | 12:38 | |
| PaulFertser | sivang: Edje theming is a whole new world, just try it, who knows, probably you'll got hooked up ;) | 12:38 |
| *** andre__ has joined #maemo | 12:39 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 12:39 | |
| *** nnod__ has quit IRC | 12:39 | |
| *** user__ has quit IRC | 12:39 | |
| sivang | PaulFertser: I might :) | 12:40 |
| *** Khertan_ has joined #maemo | 12:41 | |
| Khertan_ | Hi ! | 12:41 |
| RST38h | OMG another widget set | 12:41 |
| ersin | hi khertan_ | 12:41 |
| Khertan_ | hello ersin | 12:41 |
| *** mgedmin has joined #maemo | 12:41 | |
| *** user__ has joined #maemo | 12:41 | |
| PaulFertser | RST38h: it's not | 12:42 |
| Sargun | user__, happy t-mobile. | 12:42 |
| * Sargun needs t-mobile. | 12:42 | |
| RST38h | not another, not widget, or not a set? | 12:42 |
| PaulFertser | RST38h: not widget set. | 12:42 |
| PaulFertser | EFL is much more than that | 12:42 |
| *** Myrtti has joined #maemo | 12:42 | |
| *** Zombie3 has joined #maemo | 12:43 | |
| *** arachnist has joined #maemo | 12:43 | |
| *** florian_kc has joined #maemo | 12:43 | |
| *** Corsac has joined #maemo | 12:43 | |
| *** florian_kc is now known as florian | 12:43 | |
| ersin | EFL port to maemo? lol | 12:43 |
| *** booiiing has joined #maemo | 12:43 | |
| * RST38h meant Elementary though | 12:43 | |
| ruskie | that would actually be nice | 12:43 |
| ersin | well samsung's pushing it now in bada | 12:43 |
| ruskie | not really planing on moving away from nokia phones | 12:44 |
| *** v2n900 has quit IRC | 12:44 | |
| ruskie | the software might be crap for a few revisions but they tend to make solid devices | 12:44 |
| ersin | very true | 12:44 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 12:44 | |
| ersin | though i've never used any nokia phone other than the candybars | 12:44 |
| *** bilboed-pi has joined #maemo | 12:44 | |
| ersin | even those things were designed perfectly | 12:44 |
| ruskie | I used a n5110 for 6 years | 12:44 |
| ersin | right on | 12:44 |
| ruskie | a n5140i for ~2 | 12:44 |
| ruskie | and a n95 for 18 months | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | ersin: raster didn't know anything about bada and was a bit surprised. i doubt it. | 12:45 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 12:45 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:45 |
| ersin | O_O | 12:45 |
| *** baraujo has joined #maemo | 12:45 | |
| ersin | heh heh | 12:45 |
| ersin | just you wait | 12:45 |
| sejo | Stskeeps: uninstall and reboot does the trick | 12:45 |
| PaulFertser | I was using some really bad looking nokia 1100 that my friend found somewhere in dirt on street. Worked fine so far. Heard many similar stories. | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | sejo: good | 12:45 |
| sejo | Stskeeps: but you need to reboot after removing the fm radio | 12:45 |
| sejo | Stskeeps: perhaps it should be removed from the repo? | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | sejo: wheels are in motion | 12:46 |
| PaulFertser | But i didn't manage a dumbphone with a UI that was appealing to me: no useless animation, as much as possible information, shortcuts-based. No dumb cellphone was sane enough to provide that. | 12:46 |
| sejo | Stskeeps: lol k :p | 12:46 |
| * sejo is going to setup a VM and start writing CalDAV support... | 12:46 | |
| ruskie | ersin, of course I only managed to get the n95 into a properly usable state like half a year or so ago | 12:47 |
| *** yannj has quit IRC | 12:47 | |
| ersin | ruskie: never used it, though i heard its praises sung | 12:47 |
| ruskie | well I guess for me something like a n900 is the near ultimate device | 12:47 |
| ruskie | the n95 was just to contrained for my needs | 12:48 |
| ruskie | I'll use it as a gps device in the car now | 12:48 |
| *** thomasbe has joined #maemo | 12:48 | |
| sejo | what would be the best OS to put the sdk on (ubuntu/fedora/...) | 12:49 |
| ruskie | should probably run on anything | 12:49 |
| ruskie | iirc it does go into a scratchbox install | 12:49 |
| sejo | ruskie: yeah but on my 64bit gentoo the scratchbox doesn't work :/ | 12:49 |
| ruskie | and the scripts are quite automated | 12:50 |
| ruskie | it doesn't? | 12:50 |
| ruskie | it does on my 64bit source mage | 12:50 |
| ruskie | kernel with enabled 32bit binaries | 12:50 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 12:51 | |
| *** Lateralus has joined #maemo | 12:51 | |
| sejo | ach dang dunno if my kernel does that | 12:51 |
| hrw | sejo: grab maemosdk virt image - it uses ubuntu | 12:51 |
| sejo | I alsways get bash: ./hello: No such file or directory | 12:51 |
| *** koan has quit IRC | 12:52 | |
| *** koan has joined #maemo | 12:52 | |
| Lateralus | how do you start an app in scratchbox in the terminal as though it were launched by the application menu? | 12:52 |
| hrw | Lateralus: find .desktop of app, read it, launch what you read from it | 12:53 |
| *** fr01 has joined #maemo | 12:54 | |
| Lateralus | hrw: I assume you mean the Exec line? | 12:54 |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 12:54 | |
| *** holydevil_ has joined #maemo | 12:54 | |
| sejo | hmm it does have IA32 config on | 12:55 |
| Lateralus | hrw: I am using the same from scratchbox, /usr/bin/myapp, it opens when I do that, but not when I click the application icon in xephyr | 12:56 |
| *** lizardo has joined #maemo | 12:58 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 12:58 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 12:59 | |
| *** thorbjorn has quit IRC | 12:59 | |
| *** thomastp has quit IRC | 12:59 | |
| *** homeasvs_ has quit IRC | 13:01 | |
| *** homeasvs_ has joined #maemo | 13:01 | |
| X-Fade | !seen pycage | 13:02 |
| X-Fade | ~seen pycage | 13:02 |
| hrw | Lateralus: yes, Exec line | 13:02 |
| X-Fade | Hmm no bots anymore? | 13:02 |
| *** Lorthirk` has joined #maemo | 13:02 | |
| hrw | Lateralus: no idea fro me | 13:02 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 13:05 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 13:06 | |
| *** Lorthirk has quit IRC | 13:06 | |
| *** fluff|afk is now known as fluff | 13:06 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 13:07 | |
| *** prusnak has quit IRC | 13:08 | |
| *** zenvoid___ has joined #maemo | 13:09 | |
| *** trickie has joined #maemo | 13:10 | |
| *** Openfree` has quit IRC | 13:10 | |
| *** trickie has joined #maemo | 13:10 | |
| range | ARGH. Please brainstorm, let me save my idea .... | 13:10 |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 13:11 | |
| *** halves has joined #maemo | 13:12 | |
| divinegod | I would like to contribute to danish l10n for n900, what should I do? | 13:13 |
| andre__ | divinegod, how do you mean? | 13:13 |
| andre__ | Improving the translation of existing software provided by Nokia? Or 3rd party applications that do not have a Danish translation? | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: i can only imagine he means improve the translation as it's utterly horrible | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:14 |
| andre__ | of course it is. that's where nokia saves money ;-) | 13:14 |
| *** trickie has quit IRC | 13:14 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 13:15 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 13:16 | |
| Stskeeps | divinegod: for harmattan there's supposed to be community localization, but i'm not sure there's any direct ways to submit l10n issues except for lengthy bug reports that may or may not be heard | 13:16 |
| divinegod | andre__: I have the n900 but some of the translations seem odd.. | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | (og hej!) | 13:16 |
| divinegod | Hej | 13:16 |
| divinegod | :) | 13:16 |
| * andre__ seconds what Stskeeps wrote | 13:17 | |
| divinegod | ok, i'm filing a bug | 13:17 |
| andre__ | garrr. now where is the N900 User Guide on the internet? sigh | 13:17 |
| *** user__ is now known as n900evil | 13:17 | |
| andre__ | divinegod: with good steps to reproduce, and don't dump 30 weird strings from all apps in one report, please. :) | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | divinegod: screenshots help | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | ctrl-shift-p, record the "weird" strings | 13:18 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: I heard that maemo7 will be 105% community based | 13:18 |
| divinegod | andre__: it's just a single weird string in the program manager | 13:19 |
| andre__ | hrw, but if you don't help it will only be 102%... | 13:19 |
| andre__ | divinegod, ah. go ahead under "Translations" | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: ah, maemo7, the "what, you expect us (nokia) to develop this system? it's open source. get working!" | 13:19 |
| *** trickie has joined #maemo | 13:19 | |
| Stskeeps | +OS? | 13:19 |
| *** JoakimCarli has joined #maemo | 13:20 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 13:21 | |
| *** JoakimCarli has quit IRC | 13:21 | |
| *** yannj_fr is now known as yannj | 13:21 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 13:21 | |
| *** JoakimCarli has joined #maemo | 13:21 | |
| *** koan has quit IRC | 13:22 | |
| *** koan has joined #maemo | 13:22 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 13:23 | |
| ruskie | hmm maemo7 sounds interesting ;) | 13:23 |
| ruskie | maybe it'll work from n770 up to the latest and greatest at the time ;) | 13:23 |
| *** zenvoid__ has quit IRC | 13:23 | |
| *** JPohlmann has joined #maemo | 13:24 | |
| ManuelSE_ | and a z80 | 13:25 |
| * ruskie waits to see an Ubuntu Tablet Remix ;) | 13:25 | |
| ManuelSE_ | how can i make maemo n900 xchat autocomplete nicknames? | 13:26 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 13:26 | |
| ManuelSE_ | mer isnt bad, but basing on ubuntu means more forks | 13:27 |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 13:27 | |
| *** felipec has quit IRC | 13:27 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 13:27 | |
| *** DarwinSurvivor has joined #maemo | 13:28 | |
| Stskeeps | ManuelSE_: sometimes i do wonder if we would have been easier off with basing on top of busybox and all that jazz, but the development advantages and possibilities exceed that | 13:29 |
| ruskie | busybox... scary | 13:29 |
| ruskie | atleast the one on the n900 is lacking in some features | 13:30 |
| ruskie | like ls with colours would be nice | 13:30 |
| *** lardman has joined #maemo | 13:30 | |
| ManuelSE_ | stskeeps, your choice also means a more do-able mer, so it was a goood one | 13:31 |
| lardman | timeless_mbp: ping | 13:31 |
| hrw | ruskie: apt-get install bash | 13:31 |
| ruskie | hrw, still lacks a colour ls | 13:31 |
| ruskie | and I have both bash and zsh installed | 13:31 |
| ManuelSE_ | doable is crucial, abstract dogma is a luxury | 13:31 |
| hrw | sorry, | 13:31 |
| hrw | ruskie: apt-get install coreutils | 13:31 |
| ccooke | Morning, all | 13:31 |
| hrw | hi lardman | 13:32 |
| *** Ryback_ has joined #maemo | 13:32 | |
| *** bergie has quit IRC | 13:32 | |
| ruskie | no such package | 13:33 |
| ruskie | not to mention it will probably overwrite or conflict with busybox | 13:33 |
| lardman | hi hrw | 13:33 |
| *** shdb has quit IRC | 13:33 | |
| *** shdb has joined #maemo | 13:34 | |
| Lateralus | hrw: just my own stupidity; forgot to add dh_install lines for the service file in the deb | 13:34 |
| ruskie | need to make a packagen for ls only... somethig like gls named :) | 13:34 |
| ersin | *meanwhile, a lonely crazed hacker backports nokia patches to modern gtk...* | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | ersin: keep me updated on that, am interested | 13:35 |
| *** Acedip has joined #maemo | 13:35 | |
| andre__ | same here. | 13:36 |
| ersin | stskeeps: i finished glib and pango, just finished making the first round of patches for gtk, but now the hard part: i have to go through and weed out all the non MAEMO_CHANGES stuff | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | ersin: glib is easy, did you see the set of debian/ patches? | 13:36 |
| ersin | yep | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | k | 13:36 |
| ersin | er but i didn't use 'em =P | 13:36 |
| ersin | probably explains why it doesn't work | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | it's stock glib + debian/patches dir (afaik) | 13:37 |
| *** Acedip has quit IRC | 13:37 | |
| ersin | not quite | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | isn't it? | 13:37 |
| ersin | some of the packages actually don't have any debian/patches | 13:37 |
| ersin | some are just patched directly in | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/projects/haf/trunk/glib/debian/patches/?root=maemo&sortby=date | 13:37 |
| ersin | so i've been making my own | 13:37 |
| *** igagis has joined #maemo | 13:37 | |
| Stskeeps | cos trunk/glib is just the debian packaging on stage.maemo.org | 13:37 |
| *** BabelO has quit IRC | 13:37 | |
| Stskeeps | and that's what we use in mer too | 13:38 |
| *** Free_maN has joined #maemo | 13:38 | |
| Stskeeps | (from fremantle glib) | 13:38 |
| *** BabelO has joined #maemo | 13:38 | |
| Stskeeps | which should apply fine on diablo, if that's what you're playing with | 13:38 |
| ersin | odd | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | in the old glib, it was slightly more fucked :) | 13:39 |
| ersin | i'm using diablo and i just did apt-get source libglib2.0-0 | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | don't do that | 13:40 |
| ersin | and i don't have debian/patches | 13:40 |
| ersin | ... | 13:40 |
| ersin | lol | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | grab the fremantle glib | 13:40 |
| ersin | why fremantle? i'm using all diablo | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | ersin: 1) it's a later version and 2) it's the same patches | 13:40 |
| ersin | makes sense | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | 3) packaging is so much saner | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:40 |
| ersin | as if what i was attempting wasn't hackish enough lol | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | i'm very interested in the gtk+ work though | 13:41 |
| *** DarwinSurvivor has quit IRC | 13:41 | |
| Stskeeps | as we need to bring maemo gtk+ to some degree of sanity | 13:41 |
| ersin | what's particularly insane about it? i'm doing this for my own selfish reasons, i'm not aware of the bugs that might be attached to gtk | 13:41 |
| ersin | (all the better) | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | ersin: well, that we don't have a proper way to upgrade to newer gtk+ | 13:41 |
| ersin | ah | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | and that harms mer too obviously | 13:42 |
| ersin | quick question for you stskeeps | 13:42 |
| ersin | so i did compile glib and i'm absolutely sure i did it right, even though i didn't use debian/patches (as it doesn't exist in diablo extras-devel) | 13:42 |
| * ruskie lets the N900 rest and charge up now for a while.. | 13:43 | |
| ersin | but when i try to do af-whatever script it says there's a missing symbol | 13:43 |
| ersin | do i have to recompile gtk with the new glib before that goes away? | 13:43 |
| *** iDialekt has joined #maemo | 13:43 | |
| ersin | i.e. is there abi breakage? | 13:43 |
| *** embedded has joined #maemo | 13:43 | |
| *** Termana has joined #maemo | 13:44 | |
| Stskeeps | not sure, depeds on the symbol | 13:44 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 13:44 | |
| ersin | hildon_g_scanner_cache_open | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | that's a missing patch in your glib then | 13:44 |
| ersin | grr | 13:44 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 13:44 | |
| ersin | fremantle it is | 13:45 |
| ersin | but i mean...damn this sucks, i just spent all night doing everything by hand from the diablo sources | 13:45 |
| ersin | i've got to figure out some scripts here | 13:45 |
| ersin | =P | 13:45 |
| *** marcoil` is now known as marcoil | 13:45 | |
| Stskeeps | ersin: feel free to poke me if you have additional questions. i mean, i'm hired to faciliate OS devel :P | 13:45 |
| ersin | really? by nokia? | 13:46 |
| embedded | Is there anyone who owns a N900? | 13:46 |
| ruskie | hmm will mer eventually support N900 ? | 13:46 |
| ruskie | embedded, yes | 13:46 |
| range | anyone left an hour ago. | 13:46 |
| range | But yeah, I have one. | 13:46 |
| wjt | embedded: nah, they're all an elaborate hoax | 13:46 |
| ruskie | :) | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | ersin: no, maemo.org | 13:46 |
| Termana | lol range | 13:46 |
| *** ManuelSE has quit IRC | 13:46 | |
| ersin | stskeeps: are they hiring ;)? | 13:46 |
| *** janin has joined #maemo | 13:46 | |
| Stskeeps | http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2009/10/my-first-day-as-maemoorg-distmaster.html , ersin | 13:46 |
| Termana | which in turn is sponsored by Nokia :P | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: yes, of course | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: i have a port but weird touchscreen issues | 13:47 |
| embedded | an N900 with firmware 1.2009.42-11 | 13:47 |
| ruskie | embedded, naturally | 13:48 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, hmm and everything will function? | 13:48 |
| ersin | wow, very cool, stskeeps | 13:48 |
| ersin | people talk flak about nokia, but it's impressive to see a company sponsor such a position | 13:49 |
| andre__ | Sigh. I hope that Nokia will push PR1.1 soon. Crossing fingers that this will reduce the number of incoming bug reports :-/ | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: yes, we'll even make shiny ponies. general rule is that nokia doesn't mind nokia SW on nokia devices. that helps a lot of issues. | 13:49 |
| ruskie | ok | 13:49 |
| ruskie | another question... does mer have some more normal distro style setup? i.e. username/login and so on? or same as maemo... just boot to user and screw it all? | 13:50 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 13:50 | |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: we don't rely on /home/user | 13:51 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 13:51 | |
| range | andre__: quim seems to be moving some of those to "brainstorm" today :) | 13:51 |
| *** fluff is now known as fluff|afk | 13:51 | |
| *** fluff|afk is now known as fluff | 13:51 | |
| ruskie | or better yet instead of asking... is there a page that compares the diffrences... from the low level setup to the highest level? | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed was the original thoughts | 13:52 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 13:52 | |
| *** lcuk2 has joined #maemo | 13:53 | |
| Stskeeps | horribly outdated by now | 13:53 |
| *** setanta has joined #maemo | 13:53 | |
| ersin | stskeeps: if i could ask you a debugging code section...i'm looking at glib/gscanner.c right now, which is where the missing symbol was from, and void hildon_gscanner_cache_open (...) is definitely within #ifdef MAEMO_CHANGES | 13:54 |
| divinegod | Stskeeps: andre__: I've filed bug 6662. I hope it is described well enough. | 13:54 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6662 "Programmet 1 er installeret" is not a good translation | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | ersin: did you -DMAEMO_CHANGES ? | 13:54 |
| ersin | stskeeps: i'm explicitly calling CFLAGS="-DMAEMO_CHANGES", i even see it on my terminal screen scrolling by | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | divinegod: heh, that one made me cringe too | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | ersin: check out the patches from newer glib .. something rings in my head re that | 13:54 |
| divinegod | I'm glad i'm not alone :) | 13:54 |
| ersin | yes | 13:55 |
| ersin | it's in configure.in and then i ran autogen.sh to bring it into configure, not that that matters because i put it in the rules file for good measure | 13:55 |
| ashenburger | is that danish_ | 13:55 |
| ashenburger | ? | 13:55 |
| ersin | stskeeps: k | 13:55 |
| andre__ | range, actually I'm happy about that. Seems that my definition of Brainstorm was way more narrow than his one :) | 13:55 |
| andre__ | divinegod, thanks :) | 13:55 |
| kalikiana | ersin, maemo glib is just upstream + patches, you can check that in svn | 13:56 |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 13:56 | |
| range | andre__: Okay, RfEs might really better be handled in brainstorm (although I am more used to a bugzilla like interface). | 13:57 |
| ersin | kalikiana: do you know where the svn instructions are? i'm doing everything here by tarball | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | ersin: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/ | 13:57 |
| andre__ | range, depends on how complex they are. if they are easy to implement one module only issues, they should go to bugzilla | 13:57 |
| ersin | great, ty stskeeps | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | (you can svn checkout from those paths) | 13:58 |
| *** JPohlmann has quit IRC | 13:58 | |
| kalikiana | ersin, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/glib/debian/patches/ | 13:58 |
| range | andre__: :) I want calendar to be enhanced. That seems to count as "Do it via brainstorm" ... | 13:58 |
| andre__ | yeah, most probably :) | 13:58 |
| *** JPohlmann has joined #maemo | 13:59 | |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, well a good document still... but I'm guessing replacing hal with devkit and polkit and such is one of the things that will go in | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: i am still wondering about HAL and harmattan, personally | 13:59 |
| ruskie | why? | 14:00 |
| *** danielwilms has joined #maemo | 14:00 | |
| *** Dantonic has joined #maemo | 14:01 | |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: well, if they'll use hal or devkit there | 14:01 |
| iDialekt | Too bad the n900 is on t mobile | 14:02 |
| andre__ | i hope they kill HAL | 14:02 |
| andre__ | iDialekt, ? | 14:02 |
| iDialekt | The Nokia n900 | 14:03 |
| range | Mine is on O2. | 14:03 |
| andre__ | iDialekt, ah. very helpful :-P | 14:03 |
| iDialekt | For USA | 14:03 |
| andre__ | mine is on vodafone. | 14:03 |
| andre__ | aha. USA. now we slowly get to the point. ;-) | 14:03 |
| iDialekt | 3g is limited to the 1700 frequency | 14:03 |
| andre__ | iDialekt, so you cannot get an n900 without going to a provider, or what is the issue? | 14:04 |
| iDialekt | Yeah id have to switch to an inferior carrier | 14:05 |
| frals | im going with the issue is US operators using weird 3g frequencies | 14:05 |
| fnordianslip | hmm. on my n900 in File Manager, I have 2 copies of these directories: "n900/Audio clips", "n900/Camera", "n900/Documents, "n900/Images" and "n900/Cideo Clips". Whenever I plug the device into my Mac, and let it mount then unmoun the storage, I get another copy of all of these directories shown in File Manager. The most I've seen has been 4 copies of each. Looking in xterm, these directories don't seem to exist in MyDocs. Any | 14:05 |
| fnordianslip | suggestions? | 14:05 |
| *** lcuk has quit IRC | 14:05 | |
| iDialekt | I don't trust tmobile USA | 14:05 |
| wjt | fnordianslip sounds like a bug :) | 14:05 |
| Robot101 | fnordianslip: I think its a known issue, and a fix is on the way | 14:05 |
| iDialekt | frals: Correct | 14:05 |
| range | frals: I still wonder why 3G has to be that fractured and they couldn't really decide on one standard. | 14:05 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, frankly I think on a device such as this either solution is overkill... as is udev :) | 14:05 |
| Robot101 | albanc: ^^ ? | 14:05 |
| fnordianslip | er, "n900/Video clips", i meant | 14:05 |
| range | frals: As it looks like there are no radios which implement the complete range. | 14:06 |
| andre__ | fnordianslip, there is a bug report about that already in bugs.maemo.org :) | 14:06 |
| range | *that | 14:06 |
| fnordianslip | tnx | 14:06 |
| andre__ | fnordianslip, feel free to comment and provide your steps | 14:06 |
| iDialekt | Furthermore android is kinda a big deal right now | 14:06 |
| fnordianslip | andre__: ok | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: nah, that's embedded thinking. | 14:07 |
| andre__ | fnordianslip, bug 5838 | 14:07 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5838 Certain directory entries are duplicated | 14:07 |
| lardman | hmm, I can't create a brainstorm entry, is that normal? | 14:07 |
| fnordianslip | thanks. my bug search fu is stlll weak | 14:07 |
| lardman | oh no, just wrong password | 14:07 |
| lardman | Xisdibik: ping | 14:08 |
| *** VDVsx has joined #maemo | 14:08 | |
| lardman | Xisdibik: do you want to add the brainstorm entry that Quim talks of?> | 14:08 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 14:10 | |
| Lateralus | anyone have problems running apt-get update in the armel fremantle target of the vmware image? | 14:10 |
| *** micm has joined #maemo | 14:10 | |
| Lateralus | gzip errors? | 14:10 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 14:10 | |
| andre__ | divinegod, "Programmet %d er installeret" - what is the correct string for this? | 14:10 |
| *** zap_ has joined #maemo | 14:10 | |
| andre__ | or Stskeeps ^ | 14:11 |
| *** zap_ is now known as zap | 14:12 | |
| *** danielwilms has quit IRC | 14:12 | |
| *** sopi has joined #maemo | 14:12 | |
| *** sopi has left #maemo | 14:13 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 14:13 | |
| ersin | stskeeps: what exactly is the svn you gave me for? | 14:13 |
| range | Is there any possibility to see how many brainstorms are in "waiting" without clicking "next" until you reach a page which has no "next" button? | 14:13 |
| *** DarwinSurvivor has joined #maemo | 14:14 | |
| *** danielwilms has joined #maemo | 14:14 | |
| andre__ | range, don't think so. Brainstorm interface has been discussed in the last weeks and improvements will take place I think | 14:14 |
| *** DarwinSurvivor_ has joined #maemo | 14:15 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 14:15 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 14:15 | |
| * RST38h kinda doubts any of the brainstorms will end up in any useful action | 14:16 | |
| *** DarwinSurvivor has quit IRC | 14:16 | |
| *** DarwinSurvivor_ has quit IRC | 14:16 | |
| *** DarwinSurvivor has joined #maemo | 14:16 | |
| lardman | RST38h: likewise, but Quim said I should remove some stuff from the bugtracker and stick it in brainstorm | 14:16 |
| range | Well, I was asked to take it out of bugs.maemo.org ... But I wonder how anyone who's not searching directly for a brainstorm like that would see it. | 14:16 |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 14:17 | |
| range | Or find it. | 14:17 |
| range | So one probably has to be vocal about it in bugs and on tmo. | 14:17 |
| *** lcuk2 is now known as lcuk | 14:17 | |
| andre__ | range, yes, i guess so. crosslinking everything with everything is one of the things I try to do. | 14:17 |
| *** Khertan has quit IRC | 14:17 | |
| RST38h | lardman: Which is probably a nice way to say "we are never ever gonna do it" | 14:18 |
| andre__ | range, i think it's helpful to make all infrastructure known to many people (negative side effect: more comments in bugzilla that should go to a forum instead) | 14:18 |
| lardman | RST38h: hmm | 14:18 |
| lardman | yeah | 14:18 |
| lardman | well the media player subtitles one should be easy to do | 14:18 |
| divinegod | andre__: I guess it is "1 program installeret" and for plural "3 programmer installeret" | 14:18 |
| RST38h | http://lj.karlson.ru/Canada/christmas.jpg | 14:18 |
| RST38h | lardman: but they are never ever gonna do it :) | 14:18 |
| range | andre__: Yeah. Makes more work for the reporter, though :) | 14:18 |
| lardman | RST38h: you're making my morning so much better ;p | 14:19 |
| andre__ | thanks | 14:19 |
| RST38h | BTW, UrQuan masters is no longer installable, wants joydev package | 14:19 |
| range | Ah well, at least if you are through with the bugzilla interface once, brainstorm interface doesn't put that much fear into a person then. And you will actually begin to like bugzilla :) | 14:19 |
| lardman | Xisdibik: I'll add it for you | 14:19 |
| RST38h | lardman: with subtitles, it may be worth looking at alternative paths | 14:20 |
| lardman | yeah | 14:20 |
| lardman | like a different media player that actually uses playbin | 14:20 |
| RST38h | lardman: like making ffmpeg into a gst module and setting it up to suck the subtitle file in automatically | 14:20 |
| *** millenomi has joined #maemo | 14:20 | |
| andre__ | range, hehe. may I offer http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34878 to discuss that? :-P | 14:20 |
| lardman | RST38h: yeah, is an option | 14:20 |
| range | andre__: LOL | 14:21 |
| RST38h | lardman: Actually, I would be very happy with an optified, hildonized mplayer or vlc | 14:21 |
| RST38h | lardman: I do not like the builtin media player anyway: would like to see actual files rather than tracker database entries | 14:21 |
| *** EricSagnes has joined #maemo | 14:21 | |
| lardman | I'd like both, but yeah agreed | 14:21 |
| divinegod | andre__: should I add those translations to the bug for reference? | 14:22 |
| andre__ | divinegod, no, it's fine. let's let the danish translation guys of nokia fuck it up again by mixing up %d and %s ;-)) | 14:22 |
| lardman | RST38h: trouble with ffmeg is that it will direct video away from the DSP | 14:23 |
| range | andre__: I know I commented somewhere in that thread :) | 14:23 |
| divinegod | andre__: okay :) | 14:23 |
| RST38h | lardman: Is it possible to play stuff through gstreamer AND have subtitles? | 14:23 |
| andre__ | range, darn. :-P | 14:24 |
| *** prusnak has joined #maemo | 14:24 | |
| *** mihu has joined #maemo | 14:24 | |
| range | I have no problem with bugzilla. Things like integrated JavaScript editors freak me out, though. | 14:25 |
| lardman | RST38h: yes, that's supported by gst | 14:25 |
| ersin | stskeeps: glib is easy to compile w/ the patches, but i'm falling into dependency hell with everything else | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | ersin: chose -unlocked? | 14:26 |
| ersin | stskeeps: does that just override all the dependencies? | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | it overrides the irritating ones. | 14:27 |
| lardman | argh, bloody maemo.org is so bloody slow! | 14:27 |
| *** vblazquez has joined #maemo | 14:27 | |
| ersin | i mean, if these are freemantle libs, then aren't i basically trying to port freemantle...? | 14:27 |
| xorAxAx | why doesnt maemo 5 ship all gst codecs that are in good? | 14:27 |
| mihu | Hi. Anybody using Canola2 on the N900? I have a couple of albums on the internal storage, in no particual direcotry tree order. The N900 media player finds them just fine, but Canola2 does not. The "audio folders" options just says "removable cards" and "Audio clips". Does it really expect songs to be in a separate directory? | 14:28 |
| ersin | well ok dpkg-tools is irritating, but what about needing up to date fontconfig and libcairo for pango? | 14:28 |
| zaheerm | xorAxAx, like what? | 14:28 |
| lardman | space? | 14:28 |
| *** trickie_ has joined #maemo | 14:29 | |
| xorAxAx | 32 GB ought to be enough for everybody :) | 14:29 |
| xorAxAx | zaheerm: see dpkg -L gstreamer0.10-plugins-good | 14:29 |
| *** trickie_ has quit IRC | 14:29 | |
| zaheerm | xorAxAx, i mean what codecs do you want? | 14:29 |
| xorAxAx | speex, flac for example | 14:30 |
| zaheerm | xorAxAx, install ogg-support | 14:30 |
| xorAxAx | and is wma supported? | 14:30 |
| zaheerm | xorAxAx, yes wma is supported | 14:30 |
| xorAxAx | and mp4? | 14:30 |
| RST38h | lardman: Care to try compiling...ehhh...the ASSRENDER plugin? http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/documentation/plugins.html | 14:30 |
| xorAxAx | (aac) | 14:30 |
| zaheerm | xorAxAx, yes aac and mpeg4 video is supported | 14:30 |
| xorAxAx | good | 14:30 |
| w00t | assrender, lol. | 14:31 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 14:31 | |
| * w00t resists the urge to make immature jokes | 14:31 | |
| zaheerm | xorAxAx, nokia legal was reason for no flac, speex, vorbis, theora i believe but it is in extras for anyone to install | 14:31 |
| zaheerm | w00t, how is your n900 doing? | 14:31 |
| w00t | zaheerm: legal, no, business, yes (from what I gathered from the bug report on vorbis) | 14:31 |
| derf | zaheerm: There's Speex in there. | 14:31 |
| zaheerm | derf, yah sorry, forgot about that | 14:31 |
| range | w00t: I thought legal (panic of patent clowns) | 14:31 |
| *** trofi has quit IRC | 14:32 | |
| *** trofi has joined #maemo | 14:32 | |
| RST38h | lardman: there is also a bunch of other plugins for subtitles (subparse is part of gst-base and as well as subtitleoverlay) | 14:32 |
| zaheerm | i think enough community pressure could make nokia change their minds at least for next devices.... | 14:32 |
| w00t | zaheerm: marvellously. this morning's summary: alarm goes off at 8:00, hit snooze, wake up at 8:10, look at the weather and todo list on my desktop, check email, IM a few people, and go back to sleep until I had to rush to work. ;) | 14:32 |
| RST38h | zaheerm: short question; how long have you been in this community? | 14:32 |
| w00t | one moment, I'll find the bug | 14:32 |
| lardman | RST38h: well they certainly exist | 14:32 |
| zaheerm | w00t, great | 14:32 |
| w00t | but a lot of people have been pushing for a long time | 14:32 |
| RST38h | lardman: But this means that at least the gst-base stuff should be compilable and work for us, right? | 14:33 |
| w00t | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176 | 14:33 |
| derf | lardman: If you were wondering, a weekend was, in fact, not enough to get things running on the DSP. | 14:33 |
| povbot` | Bug 176: Ogg Vorbis support out of the box | 14:33 |
| fnordianslip | andre__: re your recent comment on bug 5838, those dirs don't appear, at least with the same name, as hidden dirs in MyDocs/ | 14:33 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5838 Certain directory entries are duplicated | 14:33 |
| andre__ | fnordianslip, yes, as they have other names | 14:34 |
| andre__ | normal | 14:34 |
| lardman | derf: :) | 14:34 |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 14:34 | |
| andre__ | I think that's xdg-utils or whatever the name of it was | 14:34 |
| *** trickie has quit IRC | 14:34 | |
| sejo | all when trying to run an executable I get bash: ./hello: No such file or directory | 14:35 |
| sejo | although ls shows the file and permissions correctly | 14:35 |
| fnordianslip | andre__: why? | 14:35 |
| andre__ | fnordianslip, why not? | 14:36 |
| * andre__ confused | 14:36 | |
| fnordianslip | andre__: to reduce confusion? :\) | 14:36 |
| andre__ | sejo, what is the ls output for it? | 14:36 |
| zaheerm | sejo, what is first line of the executable? | 14:36 |
| *** Colinde has joined #maemo | 14:36 | |
| andre__ | fnordianslip, pah! :-P | 14:36 |
| andre__ | fnordianslip, actually, no idea. design decisions, probably... | 14:36 |
| fnordianslip | ok. np | 14:36 |
| lbt_ | hey GAN900 did you get rev kathy sorted with irc? | 14:37 |
| sejo | zaheerm: like this? ^?ELF^A^A^A^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^B^@^C^@^A^@^@^@À~B^D^H4^@^@^@H | 14:37 |
| zaheerm | sejo, ok no clue | 14:37 |
| andre__ | sejo, what is the ls output for that file? | 14:38 |
| derf | sejo: If it's a dynamic x86 executable in an armel scratchbox, it has to go under /host_usr/ | 14:38 |
| sejo | -rwxrwxr-x 1 1000 1005 4951 Dec 7 11:51 hello | 14:38 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 14:39 | |
| sejo | derf: should be the x86 one nor the armel | 14:39 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 14:39 | |
| derf | Well then you have some other problem. | 14:39 |
| sejo | derf: my scratchbox might not be correct | 14:40 |
| sejo | derf: used this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33073 | 14:40 |
| *** L0cutus has quit IRC | 14:41 | |
| *** DarwinSurvivor has joined #maemo | 14:41 | |
| *** achipa has joined #maemo | 14:41 | |
| *** trickie has joined #maemo | 14:43 | |
| *** hcarrega has quit IRC | 14:43 | |
| RST38h | lardman: I have checked contents of gst-bad and gst-base plugin packages on Maemo5. All subtitle stuff is missing | 14:43 |
| sejo | how do I check if the scratchbox is installed correctly? I can login | 14:44 |
| *** tank-man has joined #maemo | 14:44 | |
| sejo | and i set my target as cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486 | 14:44 |
| *** GuySoft has quit IRC | 14:45 | |
| *** GuySoft has joined #maemo | 14:45 | |
| ruskie | hmm anyone know how to do pining in apt? I never could figure it out... I'dl ike to pin the nokia repos above the others | 14:46 |
| sejo | hmm didn't do a rootstrap is that needed? | 14:46 |
| ruskie | I think you need to do a rootstrap iirc | 14:47 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 14:47 | |
| *** Sir_Lancelot has joined #maemo | 14:48 | |
| *** lcuk2 has joined #maemo | 14:49 | |
| sejo | hmm going to restart everything | 14:50 |
| *** chenca has joined #maemo | 14:51 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 14:51 | |
| fnordianslip | is there a keybd shortcut for delete rather than backspace in xterm on n900 ? | 14:53 |
| *** trickie has quit IRC | 14:53 | |
| ruskie | add the del key to the xterm bar? | 14:53 |
| fnordianslip | ruskie: that's an idea | 14:53 |
| fnordianslip | just wondered if there's an existing shortcut | 14:54 |
| Laiska | doesn't ctrl + h work? :) | 14:55 |
| ruskie | hmm | 14:55 |
| ruskie | forgot about that one | 14:55 |
| *** wazd_ has quit IRC | 14:55 | |
| fnordianslip | almost, but no banana | 14:56 |
| *** lcuk has quit IRC | 14:56 | |
| fnordianslip | ctrl+h acts like backspace, not delete | 14:57 |
| kalikiana | fnordianslip, ctrl+d iirc | 14:58 |
| ruskie | hmm | 14:58 |
| Laiska | fnordianslip: true, ctrl + d is the correct one I think | 14:58 |
| Laiska | misread your question | 14:58 |
| fnordianslip | indeed. virtual banana awarded | 14:58 |
| Laiska | ^^ | 14:58 |
| kalikiana | heh | 14:58 |
| Dantonic | damn | 15:00 |
| Dantonic | everything I install from extras still fills up the root partition some... | 15:00 |
| Dantonic | as in a good amount... | 15:01 |
| Dantonic | thought everything there was optified | 15:01 |
| *** micm has quit IRC | 15:01 | |
| * ruskie is happy he doesn't have to worry about that | 15:01 | |
| ruskie | repartitioning ftw | 15:01 |
| Dantonic | have you done it? | 15:02 |
| ruskie | yup | 15:02 |
| Dantonic | what tools did you use? | 15:02 |
| ruskie | I hope there'll be an fmradio done in C... don't want all the python scary stuff | 15:02 |
| Dantonic | did you do it by CLI? | 15:02 |
| ruskie | sfdisk | 15:02 |
| Dantonic | ok | 15:02 |
| ruskie | and regular cp/mv/sed | 15:02 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 15:02 | |
| ruskie | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=411490&postcount=51 | 15:02 |
| ruskie | old instructions... need to update them | 15:02 |
| Dantonic | :( but seriously what a crock of shit though... why do I have to do that for apps from extras? | 15:02 |
| ruskie | I wish it would have a better partitioning layout by default | 15:03 |
| Dantonic | it's pretty ridiculous if you ask me... basically it has the same problem that N8X0 had | 15:03 |
| * fnordianslip got so use to having an 8GB rootfs on his N800's SD card that the problems of small flash storage seem severely restrictive | 15:04 | |
| ManuelSE_ | current maemo5 system has advantages as well | 15:04 |
| Dantonic | ? | 15:05 |
| ruskie | it does? | 15:05 |
| ManuelSE_ | we get faster speed on small root fs | 15:05 |
| Dantonic | ruskie, thanks for that guide I've bookmarked it | 15:05 |
| Dantonic | ah I see | 15:06 |
| ManuelSE_ | i think | 15:06 |
| Dantonic | well but why can't we actually install programs in the advertised 2GB partition?!!! | 15:06 |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 15:06 | |
| Dantonic | why do they filll up rootfs? | 15:06 |
| ManuelSE_ | they are broken packages | 15:06 |
| ManuelSE_ | help fix | 15:06 |
| ManuelSE_ | even if just telling maintainer "please fix!" | 15:07 |
| fnordianslip | I still have 47MB free in my rootfs and i've installed quite a lot of stuff. however, it looked like 37MB before i rebooted after getting to 3 days uptime. | 15:07 |
| ManuelSE_ | but more help is better | 15:07 |
| ManuelSE_ | join the community | 15:07 |
| *** pgquiles has joined #maemo | 15:08 | |
| Dantonic | question, how close is too close to full rootfs? | 15:09 |
| Dantonic | I mean how far can I fill it up before it becomes a problem? | 15:09 |
| * loft306 triess to put the 900 down to go eat and showel but cant soooooo adictive... | 15:10 | |
| ruskie | lol | 15:10 |
| ruskie | I'm having this same problem mysel | 15:10 |
| ruskie | f | 15:11 |
| sejo | loft306: hahah know the feeling... working and really have to do a huge effort to actually work! | 15:11 |
| hrw | Dantonic: leave 5MB as minimum | 15:11 |
| ruskie | been at it since thursday afternoon when I bought it | 15:11 |
| ruskie | sejo, I'm lucky there isn't much work today | 15:11 |
| ruskie | hmm anyone know if ubifs supports reserved space? | 15:11 |
| *** aloril has quit IRC | 15:11 | |
| ruskie | like ext and others have it? | 15:11 |
| * fnordianslip remembers being asked by someone using opennas why their rootfs showed as 104% full. i don't advocate going that far on the n900 | 15:11 | |
| loft306 | heh sejo | 15:11 |
| sejo | I'm doing an audit so way too much work | 15:11 |
| loft306 | profl 104% | 15:12 |
| *** aloril has joined #maemo | 15:12 | |
| loft306 | (r | 15:12 |
| loft306 | gah | 15:12 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 15:13 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 15:13 | |
| sejo | bleh this is no good: /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/4.2.1/../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc | 15:13 |
| fnordianslip | didn't we have problems with SSUs and almost full rootfs before on the NITs? | 15:13 |
| Dantonic | all right so 76% is nothing to complaing about I guess | 15:13 |
| sejo | someone came across that when doing a simple hello world? | 15:14 |
| fnordianslip | the opennas box with 104% full was hosed though | 15:14 |
| *** yannj_fr has joined #maemo | 15:15 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 15:17 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 15:20 | |
| *** yannj has quit IRC | 15:20 | |
| *** apol has quit IRC | 15:22 | |
| *** lcuk has joined #maemo | 15:23 | |
| *** lcuk2 has quit IRC | 15:23 | |
| *** Lorthirk` is now known as Lorthirk | 15:24 | |
| *** javispedro has joined #maemo | 15:25 | |
| *** javispedro changes topic to "to: Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org | http://maemo.nokia.com | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog" | 15:25 | |
| javispedro | (maebar ended, so...) | 15:25 |
| javispedro | and, morning :) | 15:25 |
| *** apol has joined #maemo | 15:25 | |
| *** tkharju has joined #maemo | 15:26 | |
| *** Dantonic has quit IRC | 15:27 | |
| *** juliank has joined #maemo | 15:30 | |
| javispedro | ah, first bug I'm going to file...http://share.ovi.com/media/javispedro.Pblico/javispedro.10002 | 15:30 |
| ruskie | lol | 15:32 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 15:32 | |
| *** koan has quit IRC | 15:32 | |
| *** koan has joined #maemo | 15:32 | |
| *** vblazquez has quit IRC | 15:33 | |
| range | Can't you just shake the device to move the dialogue sideways? | 15:33 |
| javispedro | no, but having to copy and paste this from Notes makes me want to shake it hard indeed. | 15:34 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 15:34 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 15:34 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 15:35 | |
| * achipa wonders which is better - asking for permission to upload a list of installed packages (privacy) or polling package lists from the server (bandwidth+speed)... | 15:35 | |
| javispedro | polling lists from the server containing only recent changes | 15:36 |
| javispedro | (like debian does...) | 15:36 |
| aSIMULAtor | ahh great to be home | 15:36 |
| javispedro | oh, hi aSIMULAter! | 15:36 |
| aSIMULAtor | hola javispedro :) | 15:36 |
| *** lcuk2 has joined #maemo | 15:36 | |
| javispedro | was the sagrada familia open? you left me wondering for the entire day :) | 15:36 |
| aSIMULAtor | hehe yeah it was open, got to tour the inside and see the museum | 15:36 |
| aSIMULAtor | hi lcuk! | 15:36 |
| aSIMULAtor | literally just got home a few mins ago | 15:37 |
| javispedro | morning lcuk2 | 15:37 |
| javispedro | aSIMULAter: :) | 15:37 |
| aSIMULAtor | i'm not sure what to think of sagrada familia | 15:37 |
| tigert | hola | 15:37 |
| achipa | javispedro: recent changes are not perfect as I don't know the state of the last update (i.e. you might have (un)installed something after I last updated in which case the diff will miss things) | 15:37 |
| *** lcuk has quit IRC | 15:37 | |
| tigert | back @home sweet home | 15:37 |
| aSIMULAtor | hey tigert are u home yet? | 15:37 |
| aSIMULAtor | yyzzzzzzzz | 15:37 |
| tigert | yeah | 15:37 |
| aSIMULAtor | for real | 15:37 |
| javispedro | hehe | 15:37 |
| tigert | yeah | 15:37 |
| * Myrtti gives in and installs the SDK to make the widget herself | 15:37 | |
| aSIMULAtor | and it's nap time too lol | 15:38 |
| lcuk2 | hey guys, can somebody please get me a big weapon, i have to sacrifice virgin | 15:38 |
| Myrtti | lcuk2: what is it about? the great Tux prefers herring to virgins | 15:38 |
| javispedro | achipa: I mean, diff changes on the entire packages list | 15:38 |
| tigert | )---[==========> | 15:38 |
| range | lcuk2: So you have virgins at hand but no weapons? Strange. | 15:38 |
| tigert | big enough? | 15:39 |
| * lcuk2 waves heartily @ tired aSIMULAtor | 15:39 | |
| * ruskie wonders what widget is Myrtti making | 15:39 | |
| javispedro | also, you can throw old gadgets to them | 15:39 |
| lcuk2 | hows the chocolate? :D | 15:39 |
| aSIMULAtor | haha it was mentholish :) | 15:39 |
| Myrtti | ruskie: http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/mechanical-counter-378810.jpg | 15:39 |
| lcuk2 | Myrtti, my net has been up and down half the afternoon | 15:39 |
| * tigert looks at new gpodder | 15:39 | |
| javispedro | hope you all had a nice trip | 15:39 |
| * fnordianslip offers his pork sword for use in virgin sacrifice | 15:39 | |
| tigert | cool, progress showing | 15:39 |
| Myrtti | feel free to do it for me, I know next to nothing about programming, if it's not bash scripting | 15:39 |
| aSIMULAtor | yes javispedro it was nice | 15:40 |
| tigert | not all is in yet, but we had really good time with thp | 15:40 |
| aSIMULAtor | need to go back to barcelona again | 15:40 |
| *** Ryback_ has quit IRC | 15:40 | |
| *** matt_c has quit IRC | 15:40 | |
| ruskie | Myrtti, nice | 15:40 |
| Myrtti | ten points and a parrot starburst stamp for the one who guesses correctly what I need it for | 15:41 |
| *** GuySoft has quit IRC | 15:41 | |
| Myrtti | though, I did tell about it yesterday | 15:41 |
| KMFDM | aSIMULAter, how was it besides the chocolates? | 15:41 |
| sejo | hmm the ARMEL target fails :/ | 15:41 |
| *** embedded has quit IRC | 15:41 | |
| *** trickie has joined #maemo | 15:41 | |
| aSIMULAtor | it was pretty good, had some progress with a couple of apps | 15:41 |
| aSIMULAtor | or do u mean the trip, the trip was nice...i gained like i dunno 10902930kg | 15:42 |
| aSIMULAtor | ate so much | 15:42 |
| aSIMULAtor | food is great | 15:42 |
| sejo | the x86 target does work however | 15:42 |
| lcuk2 | aSIMULAtor, did they have to sit you in the middle of hte plane to balance it out :D | 15:42 |
| KMFDM | aSIMULAter, I meant both :) | 15:42 |
| KMFDM | aSIMULAter, superior to the weird lunch thing they had at the summit, heh | 15:43 |
| sejo | are there dependencies needed to get the ARMEL working? | 15:43 |
| *** GuySoft has joined #maemo | 15:43 | |
| aSIMULAtor | lol | 15:43 |
| lcuk2 | i am gonna do a writeup of everything later, ive got stuffs to do atm | 15:43 |
| aSIMULAtor | well, yeah the summit had shit food, this place only fed us on friday | 15:43 |
| aSIMULAtor | and it was like cheesy poofs and sandwiches as well | 15:43 |
| aSIMULAtor | but i dig spanish food | 15:44 |
| Shapeshifter | the hardware designers really had no clue when they decided to drop two arrow keys for umlauts on the german/swiss keyboard. | 15:44 |
| ruskie | maybe someone told them that geeks were coming | 15:44 |
| Shapeshifter | a single ¨ key would have sufficed. | 15:44 |
| * ruskie is happy he has a qwerty kb | 15:45 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 15:45 | |
| * lcuk2 w00ts for kangaroo | 15:45 | |
| Shapeshifter | I wonder if there will ever be aftermarket keyboards or replacements from nokia. | 15:45 |
| ruskie | the seller even notified me taht it didn't have any local localisation and no MMS | 15:45 |
| * lcuk2 has been bouncing aorund ever since | 15:45 | |
| Shapeshifter | though I bet the nokia replacement parts would be extremely expensive | 15:45 |
| *** vblazquez has joined #maemo | 15:45 | |
| aSIMULAtor | javispedro: i have some photos of sagrada familia on my flickr but u probably know what it looks like already :P and i think there's a photo of you too | 15:46 |
| ruskie | I'd pay 10 eur for a replacement kb and 10 eur for their service to replace it | 15:46 |
| javispedro | aSIMULAter: yeah, of me opening my loaned device :) | 15:46 |
| ruskie | anything above that I'd consider to expensive | 15:46 |
| aSIMULAtor | it was when we were working on liqcalendar | 15:46 |
| sejo | i hope there will be a dvorak layout one day! | 15:46 |
| sejo | sick of the other broken designs | 15:46 |
| ruskie | actually for thumb typing I find qwerty quite good | 15:47 |
| lardman | lcuk2: what's kangaroo? | 15:47 |
| ruskie | though I am one of the few wanting a dvorak layout | 15:47 |
| flux | there shuold be a bag of keycaps and a grid you could put them on! | 15:47 |
| ruskie | flux, naturally | 15:47 |
| ruskie | like the ibm model M ;0 | 15:47 |
| lcuk2 | lardman, skippy | 15:47 |
| Shapeshifter | flux: yeah | 15:47 |
| ruskie | ;) | 15:47 |
| Shapeshifter | scrabble keyboard | 15:47 |
| sejo | heh | 15:47 |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 15:48 | |
| flux | and, for the leet of us, a blank keycaps enough to have a blank keyboard. | 15:48 |
| ruskie | hmm btw anyone know if the wirring for the fm antenna needs to be anything special? I'd just like to plug in a basic 3.5mm jack with no wires | 15:48 |
| *** trofi_ has joined #maemo | 15:49 | |
| ruskie | or atleast very short wires | 15:49 |
| X-Fade | ruskie: No, no special wiring, you just need a wire that sort of matches the wave length. | 15:49 |
| *** Meizirkki has joined #maemo | 15:50 | |
| javispedro | the event was pretty good indeed -- a lot of locals learned a lot of things and made their first contacts with sbox (sometimes you really need help with it), and of course talking with the ux people and designers was also very nice :) | 15:50 |
| *** netvandal has joined #maemo | 15:50 | |
| lardman | X-Fade: ! | 15:50 |
| lardman | X-Fade: Welcome back, how was the holiday? | 15:50 |
| *** IcanCU has joined #maemo | 15:50 | |
| X-Fade | lardman: Hi. Great! | 15:50 |
| aSIMULAtor | must say it was also nice to meet the developers | 15:50 |
| lardman | cool :) | 15:50 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Although almost forgotten when looking at the TODO :) | 15:50 |
| *** holydevil_ has quit IRC | 15:51 | |
| aSIMULAtor | i hope that us ux designers can work in closer collaboration with the community :) | 15:51 |
| *** Erod has joined #maemo | 15:51 | |
| lcuk2 | i hope finnish ux designers can work closer as well :p | 15:52 |
| *** yannj_fr is now known as yannj | 15:52 | |
| *** mardi__ has quit IRC | 15:52 | |
| aSIMULAtor | if i have time this evening i'll finish up some of the mockups for liqflow for u luck | 15:52 |
| aSIMULAtor | c before u | 15:52 |
| * lcuk2 nods heartily | 15:52 | |
| *** trofi has quit IRC | 15:53 | |
| lcuk2 | ive gotta do some other things as well and see what else can be done | 15:53 |
| *** Termana has left #maemo | 15:53 | |
| aSIMULAtor | cool | 15:53 |
| aSIMULAtor | but now, naptime! bbl :D | 15:53 |
| javispedro | :) | 15:53 |
| lcuk2 | javis how is your device doing | 15:53 |
| javispedro | very good for now | 15:53 |
| javispedro | I am already filing bugs :) | 15:53 |
| javispedro | bug #6665 | 15:54 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6665 "manual IP address" textbox in advanced connection settings is partially hidden | 15:54 |
| javispedro | wow, next one to file gets bug number #6666 ! | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | meh, 6667 is cooler | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:55 |
| sejo | lol | 15:55 |
| javispedro | hiya Stskeeps! | 15:55 |
| javispedro | so, I have a device now :) | 15:55 |
| *** dolfun_ has joined #maemo | 15:55 | |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: cool :) | 15:55 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 15:55 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 15:56 | |
| lcuk2 | Stskeeps, he was like a little kid | 15:57 |
| javispedro | there's even a picture :) | 15:57 |
| *** wazd has joined #maemo | 15:57 | |
| mgedmin | bug #6667: please add an IRC client to the standard apps? | 15:57 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6667 was not found. | 15:57 |
| mgedmin | it's still free! | 15:57 |
| javispedro | bug #6666 | 15:57 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6666 was not found. | 15:57 |
| javispedro | that one too :) | 15:57 |
| *** alextreme has quit IRC | 15:57 | |
| javispedro | so you'll have to find and file two bugs :) | 15:58 |
| *** |dl9pf| has quit IRC | 15:58 | |
| mgedmin | bug #6666 can be "don't be evil" | 15:58 |
| *** alextreme has joined #maemo | 15:58 | |
| PaulFertser | mgedmin++ will be close with "wontfix" since we're a commercial company | 15:58 |
| PaulFertser | closed :) | 15:58 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 15:58 | |
| mgedmin | like, e.g. Google ;) | 15:58 |
| zaheerm | javispedro, you won one in the raffle? | 16:00 |
| *** dlw has quit IRC | 16:00 | |
| *** Paltti has quit IRC | 16:00 | |
| javispedro | zaheerm: nope, this is a short term loan so far | 16:00 |
| *** mardi__ has joined #maemo | 16:01 | |
| VDVsx | hey aSIMULAter, lcuk2, javispedro, zaheerm, tigert et all :) | 16:01 |
| VDVsx | *al | 16:01 |
| javispedro | morning VDVsx | 16:01 |
| mikhas | hi, too | 16:01 |
| zaheerm | VDVsx, hiya | 16:02 |
| VDVsx | hey mikhas | 16:02 |
| javispedro | ah... I'm already forgetting about the faces. :) | 16:02 |
| *** wazd_ has joined #maemo | 16:02 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 16:02 | |
| *** briglia has joined #maemo | 16:03 | |
| *** k-s[AWAY] is now known as k-s | 16:03 | |
| *** Colinde has quit IRC | 16:03 | |
| *** asolsson_ has quit IRC | 16:04 | |
| *** asolsson has quit IRC | 16:04 | |
| *** anselmolsm has joined #maemo | 16:04 | |
| *** wazd has quit IRC | 16:04 | |
| *** fiferboy has joined #maemo | 16:06 | |
| *** wazd has joined #maemo | 16:06 | |
| *** promulo has joined #maemo | 16:08 | |
| *** lardman has quit IRC | 16:08 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 16:09 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 16:09 | |
| *** hardaker2 has joined #maemo | 16:10 | |
| *** n6pfkk has joined #maemo | 16:11 | |
| *** dolfun has quit IRC | 16:12 | |
| *** trofi_ is now known as trofi | 16:12 | |
| *** |dl9pf| has joined #maemo | 16:12 | |
| *** n6pfk has quit IRC | 16:13 | |
| *** ManuelSE_ has quit IRC | 16:13 | |
| *** ManuelSE_ has joined #maemo | 16:13 | |
| Myrtti | blonde tuning her laptop: http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/4166303372/ | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 16:14 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 16:14 | |
| Myrtti | (yes, I've got memory span the size of an ant) | 16:14 |
| jaska | heh | 16:14 |
| javispedro | it's better than my current solution with stickers | 16:14 |
| jaska | well, its easier than looking at the symbols on the side so :) | 16:14 |
| javispedro | or even tape :) | 16:15 |
| Myrtti | javispedro: it's a piece of paper, stuck on with tape... | 16:15 |
| Myrtti | coloured with gel pens | 16:15 |
| jaska | if i need to plug anything into laptops 2.5mm jacks i need to twist my head to look on the side | 16:15 |
| javispedro | Myrtti: ah, so then it's like what my computer has on its back, only with color :) | 16:15 |
| *** Ryback_ has joined #maemo | 16:16 | |
| *** lopz has joined #maemo | 16:16 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 16:17 | |
| lopz | hola :P | 16:17 |
| Sir_Lancelot | I want a Meamo that would sync 100% with Outlook | 16:17 |
| Sir_Lancelot | :D | 16:17 |
| mikhas | besides the airport everything was great @ maebar. but then I found this @ BCN airport: http://taschenorakel.de/pictures/maebar/2009/12/07/gates-at-terminal2_bcn.jpg (yep, they start counting @ zero, isn't that great?) | 16:18 |
| * nomis hands the Grail to Sir_Lancelot. Easier. :) | 16:18 | |
| Sir_Lancelot | :D | 16:19 |
| zaheerm | mikhas, what was wrong with the airport? | 16:19 |
| mikhas | terminal2 | 16:19 |
| Sir_Lancelot | does PC Suite sync everything with Outlook ? | 16:19 |
| mikhas | that's what's wrong with it | 16:19 |
| mikhas | =p | 16:19 |
| Sir_Lancelot | Contactas, calendar, taks, etc | 16:19 |
| Sir_Lancelot | ? | 16:19 |
| zaheerm | mikhas, i prefer t2 to t1 | 16:19 |
| hrw | Myrtti: I would not call it blonde | 16:19 |
| mikhas | when I arrived I couldnt get any english speaking personnel to help me | 16:19 |
| zaheerm | mikhas, very very quick off the plane and outside the terminal | 16:19 |
| Myrtti | hrw: I am blonde by definition. | 16:19 |
| mikhas | the info points where all closed, and it was only 4pm | 16:20 |
| Myrtti | ;-) | 16:20 |
| hrw | Myrtti: I do not like to have to check which port is which | 16:20 |
| zaheerm | mikhas, sorry to hear that :( | 16:20 |
| javispedro | zaheerm: hehe | 16:20 |
| hrw | Myrtti: ah, its your photo ;) | 16:20 |
| *** javispedro has quit IRC | 16:20 | |
| *** danielwilms has left #maemo | 16:21 | |
| mikhas | well, I finally managed to find a map of the airport, and only then I knew that the tourist information office was at t1. | 16:21 |
| *** andre__ has quit IRC | 16:21 | |
| *** twoboxen has joined #maemo | 16:22 | |
| twoboxen | anyone using xchat on the n900? | 16:22 |
| * mgedmin was, at some point | 16:23 | |
| Sir_Lancelot | does PC Suite sync everything with Outlook ? | 16:23 |
| Sir_Lancelot | Contactas, calendar, taks, etc | 16:23 |
| fnordianslip | fnordianslippers is | 16:23 |
| Sir_Lancelot | ? | 16:23 |
| *** andre__ has joined #maemo | 16:23 | |
| hrw | irc on n900? it is usable at all? | 16:24 |
| Sir_Lancelot | why not | 16:24 |
| hrw | how can you people irc with just 5-7 lines of text on screen? | 16:24 |
| Sir_Lancelot | I have on my HD2 | 16:24 |
| fnordianslip | hrw: yep xchat fine except don't use gui for settings /pres, edit the conf | 16:24 |
| adeus | very well? | 16:24 |
| Sir_Lancelot | adeus, tudo bem? | 16:24 |
| *** wazd_ has quit IRC | 16:24 | |
| Sir_Lancelot | :p | 16:24 |
| fnordianslip | settings/prefs i meant | 16:25 |
| hrw | ARGH... | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | hrw, got 16 lines personally | 16:25 |
| *** L0cutus has joined #maemo | 16:25 | |
| hrw | ~kill that #$^#%$@$ who invented maemo5 launcher | 16:25 |
| twoboxen | yeah... same problem with settings mgr | 16:25 |
| fnordianslip | fnordianslippers has 14 lines of text in xchat on n900 | 16:25 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 16:27 | |
| twoboxen | does the pc suite support the n900 yet? i need the isync plugin, but i don't hink that's been updated yet | 16:27 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: xchat was not maemo5ified yet | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: ssh and irssi | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:28 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: thats what I use now | 16:28 |
| hrw | irssi on sheevaplug | 16:28 |
| fnordianslip | hrw +1 for inventing the word maemo5ified :) | 16:28 |
| hrw | fnordianslip: you did not know that word before? | 16:29 |
| fnordianslip | nope | 16:29 |
| KMFDM | is xchat now maemo5ified? | 16:29 |
| *** JPohlmann has quit IRC | 16:29 | |
| hrw | maemo5ified = hacked UI until it is less and less usable | 16:29 |
| *** HtheB has joined #maemo | 16:29 | |
| HtheB | hi all :) | 16:29 |
| Shapeshifter | just use irssi and be happy. | 16:30 |
| HtheB | does anyone know where the hell dosbox installs the config file? :P | 16:30 |
| HtheB | cant find it anywhere >.< | 16:30 |
| *** anselmolsm has quit IRC | 16:30 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 16:30 | |
| *** user_ has joined #maemo | 16:30 | |
| Shapeshifter | HtheB: /home/yourname/.dosbox/dosbox-*.conf? | 16:30 |
| mikhas | HtheB, grep the output of "dpkg -L dosbox" maybe | 16:31 |
| twoboxen | dosbox still has input issues on maemo5 | 16:31 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 16:31 | |
| HtheB | yeah I know | 16:32 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 16:32 | |
| HtheB | thats why I want to edit the config file :) | 16:32 |
| HtheB | (auto mounting) | 16:32 |
| hrw | hildon-desktop[7106]: GLIB WARNING ** ClutterX11 - Failed to get XImage of pixmap: e00043, removing | 16:34 |
| *** DarwinSurvivor has quit IRC | 16:34 | |
| hrw | I run xephyr on desktop and sbox on VM | 16:34 |
| lbt_ | who here is good at OBS and wants a paid job? | 16:35 |
| *** DarwinSurvivor has joined #maemo | 16:35 | |
| twoboxen | it seems like most of the n900 apps are developing SLOWLY. maybe just because lots of devs are still waiting for devices? or is this normal for maemo deva. | 16:35 |
| mikhas | twoboxen, join a project then ... and help developing =p | 16:35 |
| lbt_ | twoboxen: it's scratchbox.... | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | twoboxen: It's been a week. | 16:35 |
| cehteh | or send devices to developers :P | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | twoboxen: Also - pay money to developers, things will go faster. | 16:36 |
| SpeedEvil | twoboxen: If you pay me $1000, I will develop an application that makes fart noises when you shake the phone. | 16:36 |
| mikhas | no, if you pay money to developers they only spend it on all kind of unhealthy things ... or new gadgets =p | 16:36 |
| hrw | twoboxen: 1. some devs still wait for devices from Nokia, 2. scratchbox is 32bit x86 only 3. sbox suxx badly | 16:36 |
| mikhas | sorry, but sbox is great | 16:37 |
| mikhas | messed up a target? just configure a new one! | 16:37 |
| clmntch | hello | 16:37 |
| hrw | mikhas: if you did not used any other crosscompile options then maybe | 16:37 |
| mikhas | it's quite easy to clean up a messed env | 16:37 |
| hrw | mikhas: I crosscompile all for my devices with OE and can test in qemu from ext2 image which is very easy to regenerate | 16:38 |
| mikhas | then help make sbox better if you think it's so bad | 16:38 |
| *** lorelei^_ has quit IRC | 16:38 | |
| twoboxen | i'll be starting to move some games (not that great but whatever) i wrote today now that work is slower... i was just asking in general | 16:38 |
| HtheB | foudn it | 16:38 |
| HtheB | jeej | 16:38 |
| hrw | mikhas: I prefer to just skip using it | 16:38 |
| mikhas | fine, stop bitching about it, too | 16:38 |
| *** mairas has quit IRC | 16:39 | |
| *** SmilyOrg has quit IRC | 16:40 | |
| lbt_ | mikhas: there's a fair bit about sbox that is good - but a *lot* to moan about too. And the community has done a fair amount to fix/solve those problems. In any case sbox is a standing joke ;) | 16:41 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 16:41 | |
| *** n6pfkk has quit IRC | 16:41 | |
| *** RobertH[AU] has joined #maemo | 16:41 | |
| *** Jaffa has joined #maemo | 16:41 | |
| *** HtheB has quit IRC | 16:41 | |
| Jaffa | Ev'ning, all | 16:42 |
| *** twoboxen has quit IRC | 16:42 | |
| jeremiah | Only no one is laughing. | 16:42 |
| jeremiah | Hi Jaffa! | 16:42 |
| jeremiah | Long time not chat | 16:42 |
| homeasvs_ | any suggestions for getting a working strace on the phone itself ? | 16:42 |
| jeremiah | homeasvs_: You can port strace | 16:43 |
| jeremiah | But that will likely be hard. | 16:43 |
| PaulFertser | jeremiah: strace works on arm without any tweaks | 16:43 |
| andre__ | i agree | 16:43 |
| *** tekojo has quit IRC | 16:44 | |
| andre__ | homeasvs_, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/strace | 16:44 |
| *** twoboxen_ has joined #maemo | 16:44 | |
| Jaffa | tekojo: Good to see you and danielwilms earlier :) | 16:44 |
| Jaffa | jeremiah: Busy travelling/holiday | 16:44 |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 16:45 | |
| *** Ufoeke has quit IRC | 16:45 | |
| *** n900evil has quit IRC | 16:45 | |
| jeremiah | PaulFertser: W00t! | 16:45 |
| jeremiah | That is awesome, then compiling strace from source on the device should 'just work' | 16:46 |
| *** udovdh has quit IRC | 16:46 | |
| *** anselmolsm has joined #maemo | 16:47 | |
| *** ssvb has joined #maemo | 16:47 | |
| *** odin_ has quit IRC | 16:47 | |
| suihkulokki | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/strace | 16:48 |
| * Jaffa wonders what there is to do in Helsinki of an evening | 16:48 | |
| PaulFertser | jeremiah: it's easier to simply download a debian package if it's not in maemo repos yet. | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: cider and good resturants | 16:48 |
| jeremiah | PaulFertser: Yeah, it might not be in the repos | 16:49 |
| dmj7261 | bilboed-pi: Hey | 16:49 |
| jeremiah | I should check | 16:49 |
| jebba900 | strace is in the repos already | 16:49 |
| bilboed-pi | dmj7261, yo | 16:49 |
| jeremiah | Oh cool | 16:49 |
| *** avs has quit IRC | 16:49 | |
| yannj | is there some python qt bindings in packages (extra?) | 16:49 |
| jeremiah | I haven't had a use for it so haven't ever bothered to check | 16:49 |
| jeremiah | yannj: Yeah, there are tons of python bindings. | 16:49 |
| PaulFertser | jeremiah: no use for strace? yu da magician | 16:50 |
| jeremiah | Check out maemo.org for some documentation. | 16:50 |
| jeremiah | PaulFertser: no, not like that. :) | 16:50 |
| *** RobertH[AU] has quit IRC | 16:50 | |
| dmj7261 | bilboed-pi: any more info on the video editor? | 16:50 |
| jeremiah | I use it a lot - I'm no magician | 16:50 |
| yannj | jeremiah : can you give me som name ? I can't find theme in repostories | 16:50 |
| *** Smily has joined #maemo | 16:51 | |
| yannj | them* | 16:51 |
| jeremiah | yannj: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_Programming_Environments | 16:52 |
| jeremiah | ^^ That is a great place to start | 16:53 |
| yannj | tks | 16:53 |
| jeremiah | http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/ | 16:53 |
| *** alexj_ has quit IRC | 16:53 | |
| jeremiah | ^^ also useful | 16:53 |
| *** udovdh has joined #maemo | 16:53 | |
| *** n6pfk has joined #maemo | 16:53 | |
| lizardo | jeremiah: I think yannj is asking specifically about qt bindings :) | 16:54 |
| twoboxen_ | who is using irssi on the n900? | 16:54 |
| bilboed-pi | dmj7261, zaheerm is in the process of wikifying all the docs | 16:54 |
| SpeedEvil | twoboxen_: I have. | 16:54 |
| jeremiah | Ah | 16:54 |
| SpeedEvil | twoboxen_: but then I found xchat | 16:54 |
| yannj | lzardo : you're right | 16:54 |
| jeremiah | lizardo: Yes, I think you are right | 16:54 |
| dmj7261 | cool...where will those be? | 16:54 |
| zaheerm | dmj7261, maemo wiki | 16:54 |
| yannj | I just can't found pyqt as an example | 16:55 |
| *** Sir_Lancelot has quit IRC | 16:55 | |
| twoboxen_ | SpeedEvil: how do you switch windows without meta-#? | 16:55 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 16:55 | |
| lizardo | yannj: there is PySide and PyQt , I don't know about PyQt status, but for PySide installation , see : http://www.pyside.org/downloads/ (see "N900/Maemo 5" section) | 16:55 |
| yannj | lizardo : tks! | 16:55 |
| Jaffa | twoboxen_: I use irssi via screen+ssh on N900 | 16:56 |
| *** lardman has joined #maemo | 16:56 | |
| X-Fade | twoboxen_: /window X | 16:56 |
| Myrtti | ctrl-n, ctrl-p | 16:56 |
| *** Ufoeke has joined #maemo | 16:56 | |
| twoboxen_ | thx | 16:56 |
| Jaffa | twoboxen_: Esc is a key in the toolbar of X Terminal; or Ctrl-N/P or /window X | 16:56 |
| arachnist | twoboxen_: i do, but over ssh | 16:56 |
| yannj | llizardo : so that means my app can not be in testing/extra while pyside isn't testing/extra | 16:57 |
| arachnist | twoboxen_: i use a script that lets me just enter /3475632845 as a command and it switches me to window number 3475632845 | 16:57 |
| SpeedEvil | twoboxen_: that's why I switched to xchat | 16:57 |
| twoboxen_ | wow, lots of windows | 16:58 |
| lardman | is timeless about? | 16:58 |
| twoboxen_ | yeah, trying both now | 16:58 |
| arachnist | twoboxen_: given that with Fn-lock you can type / and numbers without pressing fn-lock again, i think it's a decent method ;> | 16:58 |
| arachnist | twoboxen_: http://arachnist.doesntexist.org/swap-ng.pl | 16:58 |
| *** netvandal has quit IRC | 16:59 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 16:59 | |
| twoboxen_ | right... thx for the help. the c-n/p works well enough for now | 16:59 |
| * fnordianslip detaches the #maemo tab in xchat and dismisses the server window, to increase usable space | 16:59 | |
| *** micm has joined #maemo | 17:01 | |
| *** asolsson has joined #maemo | 17:01 | |
| arachnist | fnordianslip: and then you change something in preferences window, like a font :> | 17:01 |
| fnordianslip | NO | 17:01 |
| arachnist | and oops... xchat's gone | 17:01 |
| Zeddy | wtf | 17:01 |
| fnordianslip | edit the conf instead | 17:01 |
| Zeddy | anyone played the tux 2d game on the n900 | 17:01 |
| Zeddy | you are not able to move O_o | 17:01 |
| Dr_Cain | wrong keybindings? | 17:02 |
| twoboxen_ | Zeddy: i have | 17:02 |
| *** koan has quit IRC | 17:02 | |
| *** koan has joined #maemo | 17:02 | |
| Zeddy | how do you get away from the map | 17:02 |
| Zeddy | my pengiun wont move :o | 17:02 |
| range | Maybe it is tired? | 17:02 |
| Zeddy | lol | 17:03 |
| twoboxen_ | what do you mean away from the map | 17:03 |
| twoboxen_ | everything I THINK works as expcted | 17:03 |
| *** thopiekar has joined #maemo | 17:04 | |
| *** Zeddy has quit IRC | 17:04 | |
| *** loft306 has quit IRC | 17:05 | |
| *** loft306 has joined #maemo | 17:06 | |
| *** thopiekar has quit IRC | 17:06 | |
| *** thopiekar has joined #maemo | 17:06 | |
| *** Zeddy has joined #maemo | 17:06 | |
| *** achipa_ has joined #maemo | 17:07 | |
| *** IcanCU has quit IRC | 17:07 | |
| *** IcanCU has joined #maemo | 17:07 | |
| *** achipa has quit IRC | 17:08 | |
| *** achipa_ is now known as achipa | 17:08 | |
| dmj7261 | zaheerm: in case you want them here are my concepts: http://imagebin.org/74067 http://imagebin.org/74066 | 17:11 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 17:11 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 17:13 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 17:13 | |
| lizardo | yannj: actually, once your application is uploaded to extras-testing, pyside will come in together with it | 17:14 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 17:14 | |
| lizardo | yannj: because dependencies are automatically promoted to extras-testing once the application which depends on it is promoted | 17:14 |
| yannj | ok | 17:15 |
| *** _marcell_ has quit IRC | 17:15 | |
| Zeddy | how do i zoom in and out with the vnc viewer on the n900 | 17:15 |
| SpeedEvil | do zoom keys work? | 17:15 |
| Zeddy | dunno | 17:15 |
| Zeddy | what zoom keys :D | 17:15 |
| *** Ufoeke has quit IRC | 17:16 | |
| SpeedEvil | the zoom/volume rocker | 17:17 |
| Zeddy | Lol. Im Now Chatting Over Vnc From My N900 | 17:17 |
| *** thopiekar has quit IRC | 17:17 | |
| Zeddy | That Changes The Volume | 17:18 |
| range | And does something strange to your shift key ... | 17:18 |
| range | :) | 17:18 |
| Zeddy | lol, yeah no idea why it does that | 17:18 |
| Zeddy | im guessing its the vnc viewer causing it | 17:18 |
| Zeddy | maybe if i change the resolution to the same as the n900 everytime a connection is accepted | 17:19 |
| Zeddy | damn cant do that | 17:19 |
| *** alextreme has quit IRC | 17:20 | |
| *** frade has quit IRC | 17:22 | |
| *** thopiekar has joined #maemo | 17:22 | |
| Zeddy | (twoboxen_) everything I THINK works as expcted | 17:25 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 17:25 | |
| Zeddy | well you know the map where you are when you first start the game | 17:25 |
| lardman | what does one call the date format, whether DD/MM/YY or MM/DD/YY? | 17:25 |
| lardman | locale setting? | 17:25 |
| *** trickie_ has joined #maemo | 17:25 | |
| Zeddy | i cant move to a red dot | 17:25 |
| Zeddy | if i try clicking the screen it just pauses the game | 17:25 |
| redeeman | MM/DD/YY is an INSANE format | 17:25 |
| *** trickie has quit IRC | 17:25 | |
| jeremiah | No, I don't think it is locale lardman | 17:25 |
| Zeddy | and none of the arrow keys seems to work | 17:25 |
| *** jayabharath has joined #maemo | 17:25 | |
| twoboxen_ | hit down arrow | 17:25 |
| *** bergie has joined #maemo | 17:25 | |
| twoboxen_ | works fine for me | 17:26 |
| lardman | hey jeremiah, thanks for the reply to maemo-devel | 17:26 |
| jeremiah | lardman: did you look in tzdata? | 17:26 |
| jeremiah | lardman: Sure, sorry I couldn't be more detailed. | 17:26 |
| lardman | I'm submitting a bug, just wondering where the date format is set? | 17:26 |
| pekuja | MM/DD/YY is nuts. DD.MM.YY is better, YY-MM-DD perhaps moreso, but I'm fine with either as long as it's logical, which MM/DD/YY is not | 17:26 |
| twoboxen_ | Zeddy: do you hace 2 or 4 arrow keys? | 17:26 |
| Zeddy | 2 | 17:26 |
| Zeddy | i gots the scandinavian version | 17:26 |
| lardman | pekuja: the US do that don;'t they? | 17:27 |
| pekuja | lardman: MM/DD/YY? yeah I think so | 17:27 |
| *** hannesw_ has joined #maemo | 17:27 | |
| pekuja | they also use the imperial unit system | 17:27 |
| *** n6pfk has quit IRC | 17:27 | |
| pekuja | which is also nuts | 17:27 |
| pekuja | but in a different way | 17:27 |
| redeeman | it sure is | 17:27 |
| redeeman | but they are very backwards over there | 17:27 |
| Zeddy | this is really sad | 17:27 |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 17:28 | |
| Zeddy | so the game doesn't support us scandinavians lol | 17:28 |
| hrw | lardman: date order/format is 'regional settings' | 17:29 |
| lardman | redeeman: :) | 17:29 |
| hrw | lardman: read: the thing where nokia thinks that they know better | 17:29 |
| redeeman | hrw: the setting there doesn't appear to affect anything though | 17:29 |
| lardman | jeremiah: that CURDIR is set by dh isn't it | 17:29 |
| lardman | ? | 17:29 |
| hrw | redeeman: maybe they do not ship tzdata? | 17:29 |
| derf | pekuja: MM/DD/YY actually does make sense. | 17:29 |
| redeeman | hrw: then why have the setting? | 17:29 |
| *** anselmolsm is now known as anselmolsm[AWAY] | 17:29 | |
| redeeman | derf: it certainly does not, its completely insane | 17:29 |
| derf | You don't realize it until you're used to it. | 17:30 |
| Zeddy | i tried changing the duck button | 17:30 |
| lardman | derf: YY/MM/DD is sortable at least | 17:30 |
| lardman | MM/DD/YY is mad | 17:30 |
| redeeman | derf: how could you think mixing the sizes of the things makes sense? it does certainly not | 17:30 |
| lardman | imho | 17:30 |
| derf | lardman: Right, but most dates you're dealing with are relatively near-term, so the leading year is useless. | 17:30 |
| lardman | quite | 17:30 |
| hrw | redeeman: under maemo4 it was used | 17:30 |
| lardman | but the nearest term thing is the day, so show that first | 17:30 |
| derf | redeeman: It doesn't make sense for computers, it makes sense for HUMANS. | 17:31 |
| pekuja | derf: well, ok. so you're saying the month is the important part, followed by the date, which is the second important? | 17:31 |
| hrw | redeeman: no idea how it is under maemo5, no device | 17:31 |
| lardman | difference between display and internal format | 17:31 |
| *** kalikiana has quit IRC | 17:31 | |
| pekuja | derf: I think the day is probably more important than the month, | 17:31 |
| hrw | derf: MM/DD/YY has sense? maybe for americans... | 17:31 |
| *** k-s is now known as k-s[AWAY] | 17:31 | |
| *** kalikiana has joined #maemo | 17:31 | |
| redeeman | derf: that's why ddmmyy is for | 17:31 |
| redeeman | with mmddyy it can be impossible to guess the format | 17:31 |
| derf | lardman: I'm saying that if you think YYYY-MM-DD is a reasonable ordering, then MM-DD-YYYY is more reasonable. | 17:32 |
| redeeman | derf: it does not make sense for me | 17:32 |
| pekuja | derf: and the problem is, you start with the in-between, follow by the least significant, and end with the most significant (in the mathematical sense) | 17:32 |
| redeeman | derf: last i checked, my DNA said human | 17:32 |
| derf | pekuja: Humans don't care about a mathematical sense. | 17:32 |
| redeeman | its not about mathematics | 17:32 |
| lardman | derf: I think YYYMMDD is reasonable as in internal storage format, but I think DD MM YYYY is better for display | 17:32 |
| redeeman | i look at the date string, and how do i parse this? 01-01-2010 | 17:32 |
| redeeman | how the hell do i guess what that is? | 17:32 |
| *** matt_c has joined #maemo | 17:33 | |
| derf | It doesn't matter because they're the same? | 17:33 |
| lardman | redeeman: doesn't matter in that case | 17:33 |
| pekuja | yeah, I do pretty much prefer DD.MM.YYYY for regular dates | 17:33 |
| redeeman | could be mmddyy or ddmmyy | 17:33 |
| redeeman | lardman: fine, 01-02-2010 | 17:33 |
| derf | That's better. | 17:33 |
| lardman | 01-12-xxxx is bad | 17:33 |
| *** n6pfk has joined #maemo | 17:33 | |
| derf | Anyway, it's not my fault you all chose a different convention. | 17:33 |
| pekuja | "you all"? | 17:33 |
| redeeman | its certainly most logical to sort it based on the smallest->largest unit, or largest->smallest | 17:33 |
| pekuja | derf: I do think you also chose a different convention | 17:33 |
| *** rmoravcik has quit IRC | 17:34 | |
| derf | That's not my fault, either. | 17:34 |
| *** archebyte has joined #maemo | 17:34 | |
| *** blade_runner has joined #maemo | 17:34 | |
| lardman | bug 6667 fwiw | 17:34 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6667 Dates shown in MM/DD format no matter the system-wide setting | 17:34 |
| *** decasm has joined #maemo | 17:34 | |
| archebyte | hey all | 17:34 |
| derf | But having worked with both, I do see the advantages of the American ordering. | 17:34 |
| *** Sargun has quit IRC | 17:34 | |
| pekuja | MM/DD is fine, but MM/DD/YY is confusing | 17:34 |
| redeeman | i don't know what american ordering is, i just know the anything with the day in the middle is crazy | 17:34 |
| SpeedEvil | YYDMMDYY it's the only solution. | 17:35 |
| lardman | hmm, is the OpenPandora out finally then? | 17:35 |
| pekuja | I don't think so. | 17:35 |
| pekuja | soon, possibly | 17:36 |
| pekuja | they're close to finished | 17:36 |
| lardman | http://eshopen.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=14&products_id=70 | 17:36 |
| pekuja | http://www.open-pandora.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=98&Itemid=13&lang=en | 17:36 |
| lardman | 6 in stock apparently | 17:36 |
| pekuja | it also says "This product is not released yet. This is a preorder" | 17:37 |
| pekuja | I think it just means they've ordered six | 17:37 |
| lardman | though they also decided not to honour my purchase of a SmartQ, so I don't trust them anyway | 17:37 |
| pekuja | heh | 17:37 |
| lardman | pekuja: well it's dishonest really | 17:37 |
| archebyte | how can I get rootsh deb file for the N900. is there a direct link to download? | 17:37 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 17:38 | |
| * fnordianslip thinks we should use the Julian day in Roman numerals, or just stick with the Discordian Calendar, as per ddate | 17:38 | |
| pekuja | it's confusing | 17:38 |
| pekuja | they're saying two different things | 17:38 |
| pekuja | I don't think they intend malice. probably a mistake | 17:38 |
| pekuja | or they figured they'd put the number of ordered units there | 17:38 |
| pekuja | in any case, the device isn't done yet. | 17:38 |
| youam | are there any informed guesses when the n900 will probably hit stores? | 17:38 |
| pekuja | I am pretty interested in it, although it might be a bit too much. I don't want to carry a lot of devices with me. | 17:39 |
| *** tonikitoo has joined #maemo | 17:39 | |
| lardman | pekuja: "In stock" means only one thing | 17:39 |
| youam | (sorry if this is a FAQ, i didn't find any) | 17:39 |
| lardman | pekuja: As does cancelling my order as they got their pricing wrong | 17:39 |
| lardman | (smartq) | 17:39 |
| pekuja | Pandora seems really nice as an open source handheld gaming platform, but that's very niche, and N900 covers some of that ground also. | 17:39 |
| archebyte | I just flashed the N900 and don't have a network connection on it. I can download from my PC | 17:40 |
| lardman | pekuja: I was just browsing | 17:40 |
| *** aakashd has joined #maemo | 17:40 | |
| Stskeeps | archebyte: repository.maemo.org/extras-devel | 17:40 |
| Arkenoi | openpandora is just like n900 without cellular module, i see almost no point in it, and the price is almost the same | 17:40 |
| *** eton_ has joined #maemo | 17:40 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | will a changed partitioning (increase size of /home) survive an occasional flashing of system? | 17:41 |
| archebyte | Stskeeps: thnx is there a way to download debs from the command line? | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | wget? | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | archebyte: just find it in pool/fremantle/free/r | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 17:41 |
| archebyte | apt seems to do this 'Get:1 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free rootsh 1.8' | 17:42 |
| Arkenoi | though it is clamshell and clamshell is way better than slider ;-) | 17:42 |
| archebyte | just wondering if I can do it manually.. | 17:42 |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 17:42 | |
| *** hannesw has quit IRC | 17:43 | |
| *** fiferboy has quit IRC | 17:44 | |
| range | Is it normal that I cannot vote for Solutions in Brainstorm anymore? (at least if the brainstorm has Status waiting) I still can vote for the brainstorm though ... | 17:46 |
| *** makkonen has joined #maemo | 17:46 | |
| *** makkonen has left #maemo | 17:47 | |
| *** El-Scorcho has joined #maemo | 17:49 | |
| *** IcanCU has quit IRC | 17:50 | |
| jeremiah | range: I am not sure if it is normal, but I know there has been some worki recently on brainstorm | 17:50 |
| *** GiantTalkingCow has joined #maemo | 17:50 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 17:53 | |
| range | Okay. Because I can do so once a brainstorm has been moved to "under consideration". Irritating. | 17:53 |
| *** twoboxen_ has quit IRC | 17:53 | |
| *** eton has quit IRC | 17:54 | |
| *** IcanCU has joined #maemo | 17:54 | |
| *** holydevil has joined #maemo | 17:54 | |
| *** BBNS_ has joined #maemo | 17:56 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 17:56 | |
| *** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS | 17:56 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 17:57 | |
| wirelessdreamer | does anyone here use the n900 on at&t in the us? how painful is the lack of speed? | 17:57 |
| *** goshawk has joined #maemo | 17:57 | |
| lardman | hmm, so actually my problem is that the UK regional settings are wrong | 17:58 |
| *** alexj_ has joined #maemo | 17:58 | |
| lardman | where does one find regional settings in the bugtracker? | 17:58 |
| range | lardman: Looks like it. | 17:58 |
| range | As said, I cannot even get mine to display MM/DD | 17:59 |
| *** mece has joined #maemo | 17:59 | |
| archebyte | bye all | 17:59 |
| lardman | I misread my regional settings | 17:59 |
| range | Well, I haven't changed display language :) | 17:59 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 17:59 | |
| lardman | misread the date that is, but the Lang and regional settings are both set to Enligsh (UK) | 17:59 |
| lardman | and English (UK) should not have that date format no matter what | 18:00 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 18:00 | |
| *** alexj__ has joined #maemo | 18:01 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 18:02 | |
| *** archebyte has quit IRC | 18:02 | |
| lardman | anyone else here with English (UK) set on their N900? | 18:02 |
| jebba | woo hoo. Just got perms to upload to extras-devel. Look out! | 18:02 |
| SpeedEvil | me | 18:02 |
| * lardman wonders if this is some nasty effect of timeless's package yesterday...? | 18:02 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 18:02 | |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: whjat's the issue? | 18:03 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: what does control panel > regional stuff show for the date? | 18:03 |
| *** fiferboy has joined #maemo | 18:03 | |
| lardman | I'm set to English (UK) for language and regional settings, yet I see the current date as 12/7/2009 | 18:03 |
| *** GiantTalkingCow has quit IRC | 18:03 | |
| *** bigbrovar has quit IRC | 18:04 | |
| SpeedEvil | settings ->personalisation->language and region? | 18:04 |
| lardman | yeah, sounds about right | 18:04 |
| SpeedEvil | date format 'mon 07/12/09' | 18:04 |
| lardman | hmm, ok | 18:05 |
| *** fluff is now known as fluff|afk | 18:05 | |
| SpeedEvil | I have installed every application I've seen on extras, and extras-devel - seemingly | 18:05 |
| *** trickie_ has quit IRC | 18:06 | |
| SpeedEvil | Alsoi is there any way of getting it so opening the slide unlocks? | 18:06 |
| *** trickie has joined #maemo | 18:07 | |
| SpeedEvil | I open the slide, it works, I close the slide, the backlight immediately goes out and locks | 18:07 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 18:07 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil, +1 | 18:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd like the option of it locking after 30s of idle | 18:07 |
| *** trickie has quit IRC | 18:07 | |
| greenfly | opening the slide unlocks | 18:07 |
| greenfly | but if you close it without any user input, it locks again | 18:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I can see why the existing behaviour would be handy - but... | 18:07 |
| fnordianslip | hmm. currently trying to charge my n900 with a power-monkey. the pm is connected using the legacy-connector adaptor supplied with the device by nokia. the weird things is that the adapter is getting pretty warm. i wonder why? | 18:07 |
| greenfly | I personally kinda like it so I can do a quick check of the time, etc. and then close it | 18:07 |
| greenfly | SpeedEvil: if you want it to not lock, tap the screen or something | 18:07 |
| *** n6pfkk has joined #maemo | 18:08 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil, locking on close-kbd occurs immediately if and only if you haven't done any user action (press key, click ts) | 18:09 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 18:09 |
| *** BBNS_ has joined #maemo | 18:10 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 18:10 | |
| *** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS | 18:10 | |
| *** n6pfk has quit IRC | 18:10 | |
| SpeedEvil | I was opening to wake, and then assuming 'ah - it's woken up - I'll just close it and do stuff' | 18:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Which breaks | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil, I,d preder this to be more customizable | 18:10 |
| *** etrunko has joined #maemo | 18:10 | |
| jebba | why is it that build tools like sbdmock aren't actually in the repo? I mean why build a tool to help build .debs and not build a .deb of it? | 18:11 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 18:11 |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 18:11 | |
| *** Zuzzurellone has quit IRC | 18:11 | |
| ruskie | fnordianslip, I noticed that as well... that it's getting very warm | 18:11 |
| ruskie | I had it on a thin nokia charger | 18:11 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: open slide, touch screen, close slide? | 18:11 |
| *** IcanCU_ has joined #maemo | 18:11 | |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: yes - that works | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil, lime date format. WTF a *display* in settings instead of a decent setup dialog | 18:12 |
| fnordianslip | ruskie: what is feeding your adapter? my pm is plugged in on the larger round connector. | 18:12 |
| ruskie | the small connector | 18:12 |
| ruskie | i.e. nokia thin charger ;) | 18:12 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: indeed. Because you can't possibly want a different format than your country | 18:13 |
| fnordianslip | but it's connected to an AC mains charger? | 18:13 |
| ruskie | breaks real easy as well | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil, same with * | 18:13 |
| jebba | ah, sdbmock looks ancient. | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil, yeah :-/ | 18:13 |
| *** goshawk has quit IRC | 18:13 | |
| ruskie | from my own experience nokia has 3 chargers now... thick(big and round), thin(small and round) and this microusb thing I worry all the time that something will break | 18:13 |
| *** user_ is now known as n900evil | 18:13 | |
| fnordianslip | ruskie: it can't be good that the adaptor dissipates that much power | 18:14 |
| *** wazd_ has joined #maemo | 18:14 | |
| ruskie | yeah | 18:15 |
| *** lardman is now known as lardman|gone | 18:15 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil, also keep display on while kbd slide out | 18:15 |
| ruskie | I would guess it's an inefficient design to dump as much power as it can | 18:15 |
| ManuelSE_ | ruskie usb jack can rip socket contacts - lever arm could be shortened | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ruskie, the 1.8mm barrel is much more flimsy than uUSB | 18:17 |
| ruskie | I wonder why it wasn't standardised on a mini usb... | 18:17 |
| *** IcanCU has quit IRC | 18:17 | |
| *** IcanCU_ is now known as IcanCU | 18:17 | |
| ruskie | I mean the space is there | 18:17 |
| ruskie | same opening and I can fit the connector through it... | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | mini USB is less reliable IIRC | 18:18 |
| ruskie | how so? | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mini USB is obsolete and deprecated | 18:18 |
| ruskie | reliable in what way? | 18:18 |
| *** alexj_ has quit IRC | 18:18 | |
| SpeedEvil | ruskie: cycles | 18:18 |
| ManuelSE_ | damaging the charger is not the problem. damaging 500 eu device is the problem with connectors | 18:18 |
| mece | greenfly, I click the power button to check time. Would be nice to have other stuff on that screen though. | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil, exactly | 18:18 |
| redeeman | ManuelSE_: does the US version not use usb for charging? | 18:18 |
| ManuelSE_ | no | 18:18 |
| *** mece has left #maemo | 18:19 | |
| * fnordianslip discovered that you can plug a usb A male into an RJ-45 socket. don't expect it to work though :) | 18:19 | |
| ruskie | what connector dous it use then? | 18:19 |
| ruskie | fnordianslip, rofl | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah???? | 18:19 |
| SpeedEvil | fnordianslip: done that several times. | 18:20 |
| fnordianslip | confusing isn't it | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | errr. o.O | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | fnordianslip: once recompiled kernel to try to work out why USB was broken | 18:21 |
| fnordianslip | lol | 18:21 |
| jebba | gah. What is the git-clone URL for projects here? https://git.maemo.org/projects/maemian/?p=maemian;a=summary | 18:21 |
| jebba | SpeedEvil: how did you do the kernel install? | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | us version using nonexistent receptace to charge. usb plugs to rj45... I,m off temporarily. need a coffee | 18:21 |
| *** thopiekar has quit IRC | 18:22 | |
| *** wazd has quit IRC | 18:22 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 18:22 | |
| *** trofi_ has joined #maemo | 18:23 | |
| jebba | ah, gotta run it like this: GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY=0 git clone https://git.maemo.org/projects/maemian | 18:24 |
| ruskie | would be nice if those unnamed repos would get a name | 18:25 |
| *** ab is now known as ab[out] | 18:25 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 18:25 | |
| jebba | perhaps a note at the top about SSL too, since i doubt i'm the only one to hit that... | 18:25 |
| *** jebba has left #maemo | 18:26 | |
| *** jebba has joined #maemo | 18:26 | |
| *** lmoura has joined #maemo | 18:26 | |
| redeeman | any of you know why pulseaudio uses 30% cpu while on the phone? | 18:26 |
| ruskie | because it's routing the sound? | 18:27 |
| jebba | heh | 18:27 |
| redeeman | there is absolutely not justification for wasting 30% on that | 18:27 |
| redeeman | no* | 18:27 |
| ruskie | maybe it's recoding things | 18:27 |
| ruskie | maybe check the pipeline what it's doing | 18:27 |
| redeeman | unless its also encoding it to mp3 theres still no reason for using that much | 18:27 |
| jebba | too bad the fone isnt based on jack :P | 18:27 |
| *** igagis has quit IRC | 18:28 | |
| redeeman | jebba: or just alsa directly | 18:28 |
| * ruskie hopes the Free phone stack will get to fremantle eventually | 18:28 | |
| ruskie | redeeman, you loose a lot of things with alsa | 18:28 |
| redeeman | such as? | 18:28 |
| *** mece has joined #maemo | 18:28 | |
| ruskie | well haven't yet seen a way to set volume levels per app in alsa | 18:28 |
| redeeman | ofcourse you can | 18:29 |
| redeeman | google for alsa softvol | 18:29 |
| ruskie | I won't but thanks | 18:29 |
| ruskie | I'll stick to ossv4 | 18:29 |
| ruskie | atleast on my other systemss | 18:29 |
| redeeman | i use it for IM notifications on my desktop | 18:29 |
| ruskie | won't bother much with the sound on the n900 | 18:29 |
| Ceron^ | got damnit! what should i do!! | 18:30 |
| Ceron^ | im a big fan of .mkv files | 18:30 |
| Ceron^ | but they wont play on n900 :( | 18:30 |
| redeeman | get mplayer | 18:30 |
| ruskie | installed mplayer yet? | 18:30 |
| Ceron^ | i got the extra-codec devel package.. | 18:30 |
| Ceron^ | i got mplayer | 18:30 |
| ruskie | and did mplayer something.mkv | 18:30 |
| ruskie | also you are aware mkv is ONLY a container | 18:30 |
| Ceron^ | i used the frontend | 18:30 |
| Ceron^ | kmplayer | 18:30 |
| Ceron^ | didnt play | 18:30 |
| *** trofi has quit IRC | 18:30 | |
| Ceron^ | i know mkv is ONLY a container | 18:31 |
| ruskie | just checking | 18:31 |
| Ceron^ | well, aint there a vlc for n900 yet | 18:31 |
| ruskie | try launching mplayer from the terminal | 18:31 |
| Ceron^ | with full codec support? | 18:31 |
| ruskie | no clue | 18:31 |
| ruskie | I only ever run mplayer wherever I can | 18:31 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 18:32 | |
| *** koan has quit IRC | 18:32 | |
| *** koan has joined #maemo | 18:32 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 18:32 | |
| *** igagis has joined #maemo | 18:33 | |
| *** DarwinSurvivor has quit IRC | 18:33 | |
| hrw | andre__: just read your bugday blog post and have a question | 18:35 |
| hrw | andre__: why brainstorm ideas are not handled by bugtracker? | 18:35 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 18:35 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 18:35 | |
| *** murrayc has quit IRC | 18:35 | |
| ruskie | yeah I don't get that one as well | 18:35 |
| hrw | andre__: now they are untrackable | 18:36 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 18:36 | |
| ruskie | why have an inefficient "brainstorm" thingy instead of using bugzillas feature requests and voting | 18:36 |
| *** n6pfkk has quit IRC | 18:36 | |
| hrw | I was on brainstorm pages twice, left some comments, gave some +/- votes but no info how it goes further | 18:36 |
| *** slonopotamus has joined #maemo | 18:36 | |
| andre__ | hrw, untrackable?! how | 18:36 |
| hrw | so to check status I need to go to brainstrom pages again and check one after other to findout where I voted/commented | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | true, hard to track | 18:37 |
| andre__ | I won't advocate Brainstorm here as I'm quite neutral when it comes to it, but most enhancement ideas are quite complex, and have different potential solutions | 18:37 |
| andre__ | check the archives why Brainstorm exists, I'd say | 18:38 |
| andre__ | and if the notification system of Brainstorm sucks, it's worth to fix it. | 18:38 |
| *** n6pfkk has joined #maemo | 18:38 | |
| hrw | andre__: brainstorm lacks notification rather then has sucky one | 18:39 |
| ruskie | gah if I want xmms2 on n900 I need to get a pile of things for it... anyone know of an easy way to rebuild multiple deb packages to maemo? | 18:39 |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 18:39 | |
| hrw | ruskie: setup pbuilder | 18:39 |
| andre__ | hrw, that's worth to file a brainstorm ticket, true | 18:39 |
| slonopotamus | ruskie, just use debian/ubuntu :) | 18:39 |
| ruskie | cute | 18:39 |
| ManuelSE_ | ruskie, this is the work of porting/building that nobody sees | 18:40 |
| ruskie | got a pile of packages that I need to chonge over... | 18:40 |
| ruskie | sadly am stuck with this thing called dpkg/apt-get | 18:40 |
| ruskie | :) | 18:40 |
| *** n6pfk has joined #maemo | 18:40 | |
| andre__ | Just to get this straight: I wasn't pushing Brainstorm. It has advantages and disadvantages and I'm undecided. But as it was decided to have it, let's fix it. | 18:41 |
| ruskie | hmm I guess I could see about a quick and dirty script to list all the pacagkes | 18:41 |
| hrw | andre__: now it is like that: 1. I want to report bug against maemo5 I go to bugtracker and report. 2. someone close as invalid and say "add it to brainstorm" 3. brainstorm has comments system so I add comment. 4. someone goes and tell me - no! use [link] this thread on talk | 18:41 |
| *** hardaker2 has quit IRC | 18:41 | |
| Stskeeps | hrw: ah, last step i agree should be going straight to talk :P | 18:41 |
| hrw | andre__: result is that it is really pita to report something | 18:41 |
| andre__ | hrw, yeah, good points | 18:42 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: sure, and then I will hear 'this is bug, report it in bugzilla' and will loop | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: a loop is better than /dev/null :) | 18:42 |
| andre__ | that's why we'll have a "warning" next week in Bugzilla, saying to file non-trivial enhancement requests in Brainstorm. Otherwise we waste time of users with good ideas. | 18:42 |
| *** lcuk3 has joined #maemo | 18:42 | |
| hrw | Stskeeps: final result: I start hacking on maemo5 system and do not give it back because there will be no way to do that | 18:42 |
| ManuelSE_ | like a leaf in an eddy | 18:42 |
| ruskie | why not setup a separate product in bugzilla? | 18:42 |
| *** holydevil has quit IRC | 18:42 | |
| ruskie | call add a brainstorm type to it | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: you did spot maemo.gitorious.org right? | 18:43 |
| *** Erod has quit IRC | 18:43 | |
| andre__ | With regard to discussing Brainstorm stuff (Comments section in Brainstorm) vs. talk.maemo.org I think that the Comments system just sucked :-P | 18:43 |
| ruskie | and just have that be that | 18:43 |
| hrw | ruskie: because nokia do not wants that way - why get more bugs when they can get lose in talk somewhere? | 18:43 |
| andre__ | don't know, I didn't decide anything other there.... | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | they've actually been taking my patches, which surprised me | 18:43 |
| andre__ | hrw, sorry, but it's not evil Nokia | 18:43 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: I saw that already | 18:43 |
| hrw | andre__: s/nokia/maemo or s/nokia/whatever | 18:43 |
| VRe | andre__: maybe the division of brainstorm and bugzilla should be clearer. Enhancements which nokia can only do (closed source) belong to bugzilla. Missing applications, features are brainstorm. Enhancements to existing OSS belongs to bugzilla.. | 18:43 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: anyway device first | 18:43 |
| pgquiles | I received the invitation to upload to extras-devel and added my public SSH key but I did not add my public GPG key. How can I add the public GPG key now? (I can't see any option for that, it just lists my public SSH keys) | 18:44 |
| andre__ | VRe, it's not about closed or open. enhancements that are complex and have several options to get implemented go to brainstorm, no matter if closed or open code | 18:44 |
| *** aakashd has quit IRC | 18:44 | |
| *** r2d2rogers has joined #maemo | 18:44 | |
| jebba | so i've built a package that i want to put in extras-devel. But I *may* have installed dependencies which are not listed in BuildDeps:. In fedora/mock, I can do a `mock --clean ; mock --init` etc. to get a "clean" chroot. How do I get a clean scratchbox? | 18:45 |
| hrw | VRe: missing features should end in bugzilla. there is a 'enhancement' type of report | 18:45 |
| *** n6pfkk has quit IRC | 18:45 | |
| hrw | jebba: by "sudo rm -rf /scratchbox" | 18:45 |
| VRe | andre__: in that case I would see, that the bugzilla for complex/compilcated enhancement could be linked to associated brainstorm - this way there is still following | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: there's sbdmock or something | 18:46 |
| jebba | hrw: seriously? hm. | 18:46 |
| jebba | Stskeeps: i checked that out, but it looks ancient/unmaintained AFAICT | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: may be a more updated version on maemo.org somewhere | 18:46 |
| andre__ | VRe, automatic linking will be possible within the next 10 weeks. code changes needed first. For the time being, posting the Brainstorm URL on that bug is welcome | 18:46 |
| hrw | jebba: copy /targets/FREMANTLE_X86 to /targets/clean-fremantle and keep it as base for your builds | 18:47 |
| hrw | jebba: so you do 'cp -a /targets/clean-fremantle /targets/fremantle-build-test-x86', switch target in sbox, do build | 18:47 |
| VRe | andre__: I was just writing an bug related to brainstorming.. this is one thing I have there :) | 18:47 |
| andre__ | hehe | 18:48 |
| *** javispedro has joined #maemo | 18:48 | |
| ManuelSE_ | for single maintainer projects, just email the dude | 18:48 |
| jebba | hrw: ok, thx :) | 18:48 |
| hrw | jebba: note that I have no idea about sbox but it loos like it should work | 18:49 |
| jebba | heh | 18:49 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 18:49 | |
| slonopotamus | jebba, just upload and see if it builds :) | 18:50 |
| jebba | then i'll look a little closer.... ;) | 18:50 |
| jebba | or just do what slonopotamus suggest /me lazy | 18:50 |
| *** GuySoft has quit IRC | 18:51 | |
| *** GuySoft has joined #maemo | 18:51 | |
| *** tonikitoo has quit IRC | 18:51 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer51 has quit IRC | 18:52 | |
| *** ManuelSE_ has quit IRC | 18:53 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 18:53 | |
| *** pH5 has joined #maemo | 18:54 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer51 has joined #maemo | 18:54 | |
| *** zap has quit IRC | 18:54 | |
| *** solarion has joined #maemo | 18:56 | |
| *** lcuk2 has quit IRC | 18:56 | |
| *** t_s_o has joined #maemo | 18:57 | |
| RST38h | Hmmm...Firefox Mobile people are updating their repo like crazy | 18:57 |
| RST38h | Twice a day | 18:58 |
| *** JoakimCarli has quit IRC | 18:58 | |
| *** JoakimCarli has joined #maemo | 18:58 | |
| *** JoakimCarli has joined #maemo | 18:59 | |
| hrw | let someone move *.maemo.org to hosting center with something better then 1Mbps connection... | 18:59 |
| Ceron^ | cant the n900 scale 720p video to lowres? | 18:59 |
| Ceron^ | :l somehow | 18:59 |
| RST38h | hrw: It is not the plink, it is the automation | 18:59 |
| andre__ | garr. I cannot access Brainstorm at all currently. Sigh. | 18:59 |
| RST38h | uplink | 19:00 |
| andre__ | hrw, it's in progress. | 19:00 |
| *** Ufoeke has joined #maemo | 19:00 | |
| *** cure` has quit IRC | 19:00 | |
| hrw | RST38h: nevermind what it is - result is slowness | 19:00 |
| RST38h | well, improving uplink may not help | 19:02 |
| *** cure` has joined #maemo | 19:02 | |
| RST38h | notice how fast it works when you are not logged in and using http: (not https) | 19:02 |
| *** user_ has joined #maemo | 19:02 | |
| *** IcanCU_ has joined #maemo | 19:03 | |
| hrw | RST38h: I am logged in and use http - no change in speed | 19:04 |
| hrw | RST38h: and to logout I need to get to page... | 19:04 |
| jebba | is there any log of the "yellow" notifications that come up? I see out of the corner of my eye that something came up, i go to look, and it's gone... | 19:05 |
| mgedmin | afaiu if they're important, you'll get a shining task switcher icon | 19:06 |
| SpeedEvil | software update? | 19:06 |
| mgedmin | and the notifications will be show in it | 19:06 |
| mgedmin | if they're boring ("Unable to connect to one or more accounts."), they're gone forever | 19:06 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 19:06 | |
| SpeedEvil | jebba: after you unplugged? | 19:06 |
| mgedmin | (except for the little ! in the status area) | 19:06 |
| *** wazd has joined #maemo | 19:07 | |
| *** user_ is now known as priha | 19:07 | |
| *** Sai_Mon12 has joined #maemo | 19:08 | |
| RST38h | heya wazd | 19:08 |
| ruskie | hmm does osso-xterm accept -e 'command' ? | 19:08 |
| wazd | RST38h: hey | 19:08 |
| Sai_Mon12 | hi all, quick question, am trying to find the conf file for dosbox. where is it? i looked in user and opt....... | 19:09 |
| ruskie | checked in user/.dosbox ? | 19:09 |
| jebba | SpeedEvil: i'm plugged in fwiw | 19:09 |
| ruskie | or maybe user/.config ? | 19:09 |
| *** anvith3 has joined #maemo | 19:09 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 19:09 | |
| priha | hey fellas, can I somehow change the used sim account when I plug a multi account sim card in my n900 ? | 19:10 |
| jebba | must be nothin ;) | 19:10 |
| anvith3 | Was at the forum nokia dev con today.. got my hands on a N900..neat. | 19:11 |
| anvith3 | :) | 19:11 |
| SpeedEvil | anvith3: But can you take it to bed with you? | 19:11 |
| Sai_Mon12 | @ruskie: thanks. nope. .dosbox doesnt exist. and there isnt a config file under .config.... | 19:11 |
| anvith3 | :( | 19:11 |
| SpeedEvil | anvith3: It is very shiny. | 19:11 |
| priha | and yay for xchat in n900 :) | 19:11 |
| ruskie | Sai_Mon12, and you did launch it right? | 19:11 |
| anvith3 | u devil | 19:11 |
| range | SpeedEvil: No need to get dirty with the N900, just using the touchscreen makes it dirty enough anyway :) | 19:11 |
| Ceron^ | anvith3: i take my n900 to bed each night | 19:11 |
| anvith3 | well considering its not yet launched in india | 19:11 |
| anvith3 | i'm one of he lucky few to actually eget my hands on it | 19:12 |
| wazd | RST38h: I've finally fixed wifi, now I can chat from my bed again :) | 19:12 |
| * n900evil is in bed. | 19:12 | |
| Sai_Mon12 | @ruskie: yup. i launched it. so it's definitly install :) | 19:12 |
| *** DarwinSurvivor has joined #maemo | 19:12 | |
| priha | sleep with n900 ? i havent slept since i got mine... | 19:12 |
| SpeedEvil | range: I have cling film over mine. | 19:13 |
| SpeedEvil | range: (I have a proper screen protector on order) | 19:13 |
| RST38h | wazd: And I cracked LCD screen in my laptop =( | 19:14 |
| * lcuk3 has no protector on screen | 19:14 | |
| RST38h | wazd: replacing it in MSK costs r8500 | 19:14 |
| wazd | RST38h: whoah | 19:14 |
| RST38h | wazd: Will probably wait until I go to US and buy a $99 replacement there | 19:14 |
| lcuk3 | SpeedEvil, because you use the stylus less and mostly soft finger pads, there is less chance of using pressure to push a piece of grit around | 19:14 |
| anvith3 | where does any software get installed by default ... | 19:15 |
| anvith3 | as in the path | 19:15 |
| *** IcanCU__ has joined #maemo | 19:15 | |
| lcuk3 | anvith3, which part of hte software | 19:15 |
| anvith3 | the binaries | 19:15 |
| RST38h | wazd: BTW, need some icons for Vulture's Eye | 19:15 |
| anvith3 | or executables | 19:15 |
| RST38h | wazd: The usual selection (40,64,26,48) | 19:16 |
| RST38h | Or one svg | 19:16 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk3: I use the stylus quite a lot | 19:16 |
| *** IcanCU has quit IRC | 19:16 | |
| *** IcanCU__ is now known as IcanCU | 19:16 | |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk3: and fingernails work for that | 19:16 |
| lcuk3 | SpeedEvil, me too | 19:16 |
| *** Erod has joined #maemo | 19:17 | |
| wazd | RST38h: ah, ok, I'll add it to the queue :D | 19:17 |
| jysky | web browsing is much easier with stylus | 19:17 |
| jysky | is ovi maps fucked up or do i have something wrong. can't scroll anything in maps application | 19:18 |
| lcuk3 | jysky, if its like that, web browsing is much easier with mouse | 19:18 |
| wazd | RST38h: I'm eating lots of anasthetics right now cause my jaw is killing me | 19:18 |
| RST38h | oh | 19:18 |
| lcuk3 | wazd, somebody hit you? or toothache? | 19:18 |
| RST38h | it can wait | 19:18 |
| jysky | lcuk3, well most of the websites aren't designed for fingers, cursor is much smaller and more accurate | 19:19 |
| wazd | lcuk3: toothache | 19:19 |
| *** IcanCU_ has quit IRC | 19:19 | |
| * RST38h will just draw a crude tombstone and use that =) | 19:19 | |
| lcuk3 | :( | 19:19 |
| lcuk3 | RST38h, placeholder! | 19:19 |
| wazd | RST38h: :) | 19:19 |
| fnordianslippers | any way to stop xchat autoscrolling? | 19:19 |
| RST38h | lcuk: in a sense, yes... | 19:19 |
| dolfun_ | is vultures eye a lot of work on the UI sie RST38h ? | 19:19 |
| dolfun_ | side | 19:19 |
| RST38h | no | 19:20 |
| dolfun_ | cool | 19:20 |
| *** wazd_ has quit IRC | 19:20 | |
| dolfun_ | very nice of you to buid | 19:20 |
| dolfun_ | build | 19:20 |
| lcuk3 | fnordianslip, logout of channel and stop gettin new messages | 19:20 |
| *** Flandry has joined #maemo | 19:20 | |
| fnordianslippers | thanks a bunch | 19:20 |
| Flandry | gooood morning maemo | 19:21 |
| *** user_ has joined #maemo | 19:21 | |
| lcuk3 | you can log back in, i dunno if theres a way without that | 19:21 |
| jysky | any news about better google sync. mfe stopped working after a day. just says that server does not respond | 19:21 |
| xorAxAx | another reason against the pre: its full of GPL violations | 19:21 |
| RST38h | they should make it free! | 19:22 |
| priha | fnordianslippers, it seems to stop if you just scroll up a row ? | 19:22 |
| RST38h | ;) | 19:22 |
| xorAxAx | anybody using multisync with the n900? | 19:22 |
| *** valdyn has joined #maemo | 19:22 | |
| fnordianslippers | lcuk: nice liqflow btw | 19:23 |
| homeasvs_ | is there a delay between changing your ssh key in garage and registering the change on the garage upload server ? | 19:23 |
| ruskie | hmm would be nice to be able to say... this shortcut visible on all desktops | 19:23 |
| *** Free_maN has quit IRC | 19:24 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 19:24 | |
| lcuk3 | fnordianslip, thats only the first phase and ideas. the next stage for it will come shortly | 19:24 |
| lcuk3 | RST38h, the designers and ux people won! | 19:25 |
| *** user_ is now known as Tenkom | 19:25 | |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: it's way too shine, mine's already so smudged | 19:25 |
| javispedro | s/shine/shiny | 19:25 |
| lcuk3 | liqbase apps now have back and close buttons in the normal place! | 19:25 |
| fnordianslip | lcuk3: cool. | 19:25 |
| javispedro | and thank god they won jeje | 19:26 |
| *** anselmolsm[AWAY] is now known as anselmolsm | 19:26 | |
| *** thopiekar has joined #maemo | 19:26 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: So, are you adding Hildon UI to liqbase now? | 19:26 |
| *** eie has quit IRC | 19:26 | |
| fnordianslip | priha: you seem to be correct. i've been mashing my thumb upwards/downwards for scrolling but that always seems to go straight to the end when a new message comes in. the scrollbar does seem to hold it. | 19:26 |
| clmntch | jysky: i think it has to do with the frequency in which you 'sync', i noticed that when you do a manual sync more than 2-3 times per half hour, i'll get the 'server does not respond' message for a couple of hours | 19:26 |
| RST38h | javispedro: what is it about ux people? | 19:27 |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 19:27 | |
| lcuk3 | RST38h, im aligning it with expectations on maemo yeah. it does make sense, though its as a define so when i use it on wall mount it will still have buttons in my expected place | 19:27 |
| jysky | clmntch, ok. i used 30 min interval, it worked for a while, now it is at 1h but still no luck | 19:28 |
| lcuk3 | lol javispedro | 19:28 |
| * lcuk3 bricks your device | 19:28 | |
| *** lcuk3 is now known as lcuk | 19:28 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: well. told you so. months ago. | 19:28 |
| * RST38h strokes his crystal balls | 19:28 | |
| lcuk | yeah i know | 19:28 |
| * javispedro 's device is nearly-bricked already, damn upstart | 19:29 | |
| mgedmin | what did you do, javispedro? | 19:29 |
| RST38h | that was quick | 19:29 |
| lcuk | RST38h, months ago i did not have the framework comfortable for use | 19:29 |
| lcuk | and now i do | 19:29 |
| RST38h | ah | 19:29 |
| javispedro | mgedmin: I just want to start a service on "network" event | 19:30 |
| javispedro | but I think the service doesn't launch "network avail" events | 19:30 |
| javispedro | s/service/device | 19:30 |
| javispedro | or else just start it at boot as usual, dammit | 19:30 |
| *** Ghenjikolu5546 has joined #maemo | 19:31 | |
| *** eichi has joined #maemo | 19:32 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | k, GPS without "A" definitely sucks | 19:32 |
| priha | fnordianslip: cool, wasnt sure that was what you was looking for exactly | 19:32 |
| lcuk | fnordianslip, vote by the way if you like it http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/liqflow/0.1.1/ | 19:32 |
| lcuk | or rather if it works for you | 19:33 |
| javispedro | the question is, is it even worse than the N810's "without A" GPS? | 19:33 |
| mikhas | javispedro, rumor has it that the G1 case is a perfect fit for the n900 | 19:33 |
| fnordianslip | priha: it does mean i have to be more pointy with my thumb for scrolling, but it will do :) | 19:33 |
| * javispedro googles the G1 case | 19:33 | |
| *** yannj has quit IRC | 19:33 | |
| mgedmin | javispedro, yes, the N900 GPS-without-A is worse than N810's GPS-without-A | 19:34 |
| *** Vink has joined #maemo | 19:34 | |
| javispedro | :( | 19:34 |
| wazd | id Tech 4 – (Also known as Doom 3 engine) Used by the games Doom 3, Quake 4, Prey and Quake Wars. Will become Open Source with the release of RAGE some time in 2010 | 19:34 |
| wazd | hehe :) | 19:34 |
| *** IcanCU has quit IRC | 19:36 | |
| priha | noone with any info about using multiaccount sim with n900 ? im talking about a sim tha has multiple phone numbers associated with it | 19:36 |
| *** promulo1 has joined #maemo | 19:36 | |
| *** bilboed-pi has quit IRC | 19:36 | |
| ruskie | priha, so multi line actually | 19:36 |
| ruskie | priha, I think I saw that somewhere on talk | 19:36 |
| *** `0660 has joined #maemo | 19:36 | |
| *** promulo1 is now known as promulo_ | 19:36 | |
| priha | ruskie: yer. had no idea about the exact tech.term | 19:37 |
| ruskie | might be called line 2 or something | 19:37 |
| *** florian has quit IRC | 19:37 | |
| wirelessdreamer | libglu1-mesa-dev seems to be missing from the repo, anyone know If i'm missing something simple | 19:37 |
| wirelessdreamer | I need GL/glu.h for something i'm building | 19:38 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 19:38 | |
| *** lbt_ has quit IRC | 19:38 | |
| priha | godda searct for multiline etc on google | 19:38 |
| ruskie | try on talk.maemo.org | 19:38 |
| *** vblazquez has quit IRC | 19:39 | |
| *** `0660_ has quit IRC | 19:39 | |
| javispedro | wirelessdreamer: the N900 doesn't have OpenGL but OpenGL|ES. Ensure whatever you're building is OpenGL|ES-ready. | 19:39 |
| xorAxAx | what does ES mean? | 19:39 |
| xorAxAx | embedded system? | 19:39 |
| javispedro | I think they didn't want to give it a meaning | 19:40 |
| xorAxAx | then its the latter :) | 19:40 |
| *** Sargun has joined #maemo | 19:40 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 19:41 | |
| *** user_ has joined #Maemo | 19:41 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer-8 has joined #maemo | 19:41 | |
| *** user_ has quit IRC | 19:42 | |
| flux | got my first n900-scare, getting the system up after completely draining the battery took some time :) | 19:42 |
| dolfun_ | flux did you need to reflash | 19:43 |
| flux | no | 19:43 |
| *** promulo has quit IRC | 19:44 | |
| flux | it just took some time until it charged to the point where it could successfully boot up | 19:44 |
| dolfun_ | then pluggig i ah | 19:44 |
| flux | and I actually think that there might be a bug somewhere | 19:44 |
| dolfun_ | ithought it needed to boot to charge | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | flux: hmm, it shows a non-backlight "Maemo" or "Nokia" on the screen | 19:44 |
| dolfun_ | yes i saw that | 19:45 |
| *** Sai_Mon12 has quit IRC | 19:45 | |
| flux | if I removed the charging and reinserted it, the charging led lit up (not blinking, just lit) until I removed the battery | 19:45 |
| flux | docscrutinizer-8, yes, it did that, until I replugged the power supply (the manual suggests doing that in some cases) | 19:45 |
| flux | ..but it also said that blinking light = charging | 19:45 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, I can confirm the g1 case rumor, since I saw someone using one with the n900 :) | 19:45 |
| dolfun_ | ther is a manual? | 19:45 |
| flux | sure, n900 comes with a manual :) | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | duh, which manual, and where exactly? | 19:46 |
| flux | well, I suppose it does on the pdf | 19:46 |
| flux | I read the N900 finnish user's guide | 19:46 |
| flux | but the english manual Nokia_N900_UG_en.pdf from the nokia web says: | 19:47 |
| flux | If a battery is being used for the first time or if the battery has not been used for a prolonged period, it may be necessary to connect the charger, then disconnect and reconnect it to begin charging the battery. If the battery is completely discharged, it may take several minutes before the charging indicator appears on the display or before any calls can be made. | 19:47 |
| *** Makavel has joined #maemo | 19:47 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 19:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | hmm, never seen that | 19:47 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 19:48 | |
| loft306 | there is a users guide in MyDocs on the device | 19:48 |
| flux | it actually has some good info in it, too: for example some keyboard shortcuts are listed there ;) | 19:49 |
| *** bleader_ has joined #maemo | 19:49 | |
| flux | (a shame that there are so few of them, though, a binding for doing 'alt-tab' would be nice) | 19:49 |
| *** saahle has joined #maemo | 19:49 | |
| Arkenoi | 19 days of docs2go trial left. Will there be koffice to that date? ;-) | 19:50 |
| *** Ghenjikolu5546 has left #maemo | 19:50 | |
| ruskie | flux, ctrl+backspace maybe? | 19:50 |
| flux | close, but not quite | 19:50 |
| flux | there isn't a way to actually choose a task, is there? | 19:51 |
| *** unixSnob has joined #maemo | 19:51 | |
| ruskie | hmm | 19:51 |
| ruskie | no clue | 19:51 |
| ruskie | haven't read the manual other than how to open it up for the first time | 19:51 |
| flux | and my current pattern for doing web surfing (say, reddit) is: open a new tab, go back to the main page, open new tabs, etc | 19:51 |
| *** filip42 has joined #maemo | 19:51 | |
| ruskie | annoying to open it | 19:51 |
| flux | that's really annoying to do atm :) | 19:51 |
| ruskie | flux, hmm you might be able to load tabs in background | 19:51 |
| flux | (but ctrl-backspace will help, thanks for reminding me about it) | 19:51 |
| ruskie | check about:config | 19:51 |
| flux | ruskie, really? that would help a lot | 19:51 |
| ruskie | and search for tab or window | 19:52 |
| flux | yeah, I was thinking more like it being a choice at the moment when choosing a link, but a global setting would work help atleast a bit | 19:52 |
| *** BabelO_ has quit IRC | 19:52 | |
| saahle | where's the alt-key (or how else to change window in irssi | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | flux: seen and glanced at mydocs man. where exactly are the shortcuts and batchg stuff? | 19:53 |
| ruskie | saahle, there's a script for it | 19:53 |
| ruskie | saahle, swap_ng | 19:53 |
| *** Chewtoy_ has quit IRC | 19:53 | |
| flux | docscrutinizer-8, "basic use", page 24 begins the list | 19:53 |
| ruskie | saahle, it allows switching using /# | 19:53 |
| flux | (indeed, it's a short one) | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | flux: thnx | 19:54 |
| *** Mousey has joined #maemo | 19:54 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 19:54 | |
| flux | adding custom keyboard shortcuts, atleast for the main view(s), would be nice too | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | YES | 19:54 |
| *** alecrim has joined #maemo | 19:55 | |
| dolfun_ | PC patterns for web surfing do not translate well to devices with 1/10th the power | 19:55 |
| *** bleader__ has joined #maemo | 19:55 | |
| dolfun_ | but microb does javascrit pausing which i saw suggested in chat | 19:55 |
| *** alecrim has quit IRC | 19:56 | |
| ccooke | does it? | 19:56 |
| dolfun_ | i heard so | 19:57 |
| *** alecrim has joined #maemo | 19:57 | |
| ccooke | huh. | 19:57 |
| ccooke | Interesting. | 19:57 |
| *** viq has quit IRC | 19:57 | |
| loft306 | Awww i love this thing <3 | 19:57 |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 19:58 | |
| *** saahle has quit IRC | 19:58 | |
| VDVsx | andre__, ping | 19:58 |
| andre__ | VDVsx, pong | 19:58 |
| *** anvith3 has quit IRC | 19:59 | |
| *** avs has joined #maemo | 19:59 | |
| flux | dolfun_, hey, the patterns worked nice in 9300i, e61 and n810, it should work in n900 as well :) | 19:59 |
| Tenkom | long press a link and choose open in new-tab | 19:59 |
| VDVsx | andre__, about #6685, just to let you know that someone at maemo devices asked for a bug report, please don't close it just because the HID profile is not supported :) | 19:59 |
| dolfun_ | i would like open i background widow also | 20:00 |
| flux | decasm, although perhaps one reason for doing it were the slow load times.. not that much so in n900 anymore. | 20:00 |
| *** goshawk has joined #maemo | 20:00 | |
| dolfun_ | some sites open too slow and i switch back | 20:00 |
| dolfun_ | wireless keyboards that drop keystrokes are satanic | 20:01 |
| * mgedmin wants dict for fremantle | 20:01 | |
| andre__ | VDVsx, hehe, sure. hope I don't have the image of the evil close-everything guy around here :-P | 20:01 |
| mgedmin | diablo had dict | 20:01 |
| Flandry | sigh | 20:02 |
| *** Chewtoy has joined #maemo | 20:02 | |
| VDVsx | andre__, lol, well you've reasons for close the bugs :P | 20:02 |
| VDVsx | same for this one | 20:02 |
| andre__ | hehe | 20:02 |
| Flandry | a mod should lock that N900 USB OTG thread with a final post: "The thread title is correct. Nothing more to see here." | 20:02 |
| andre__ | Flandry, just write that as a comment? :) | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | Flandry: i am doubtful still. OTG, sure, but host.. | 20:03 |
| Flandry | i thought someone here checked and the pins just aren't connected right | 20:03 |
| * Arkenoi hopes next maemo device will have official USB host option. why? because you are likely to find usb keyboard someplace and you probably do not want to carry bt one with you. and i'd replace composite video with vga - am i right that there is not really much difference? | 20:04 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer51 has quit IRC | 20:04 | |
| javispedro | save for composite being (still) waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more common. | 20:04 |
| Disconnect | istr there's a big diff between composite and vga | 20:04 |
| Sargun | what is USB OTG | 20:04 |
| luke-jr | what? | 20:04 |
| Sargun | I mean, I know what it stands for | 20:05 |
| *** anselmolsm has quit IRC | 20:05 | |
| luke-jr | who has composite? everyone has VGA | 20:05 |
| Sargun | but what does it really mean | 20:05 |
| javispedro | luke-jr: it's called "tv out" for a reason | 20:05 |
| *** anselmolsm has joined #maemo | 20:05 | |
| Myrtti | no, I wouldn't want to use a usb keyboard, I hate cables, and if I had a bluetooth keyboard of any kind, I'd rather use it. | 20:05 |
| Flandry | well if there's still some doubts that it can't do usb host then that's fine. I thought this was confirmed several times from what i read. | 20:05 |
| luke-jr | Sargun: Universal Serial Bus, On The Go -- dual host/device modes, autodetected | 20:05 |
| Disconnect | luke-jr: the vast majority of tvs take composite. if its hd, it may also take component, hdmi, etc. even dvi. but unlikely to have vga.. | 20:05 |
| Sargun | luke-jr, ah. | 20:05 |
| luke-jr | who bothers with TVs? | 20:05 |
| hrw | Disconnect: lot of TVs have vga input | 20:05 |
| Disconnect | ...for tv out? dunno | 20:05 |
| luke-jr | everyone has a monitor, not everyone has a TV | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | actually, I've seen many TVs with VGA and HDMI but no DVI | 20:06 |
| *** bleader has quit IRC | 20:06 | |
| Myrtti | luke-jr: in a fairy tale world | 20:06 |
| mgedmin | more people have TVs than monitors in this universe | 20:06 |
| javispedro | weird affirmation | 20:06 |
| Disconnect | luke-jr: i can think of 3 techies i know who have laptops and tvs but no monitors. | 20:06 |
| mgedmin | unless you think non-programmers are not people? | 20:06 |
| hrw | mgedmin: right - thats why DVI->HDMI adapters exists | 20:06 |
| Flandry | my tv is my monitor | 20:06 |
| Arkenoi | myrtti: having usb host does not diable bluetooth ;-) | 20:06 |
| *** lorelei^ has joined #maemo | 20:06 | |
| hrw | I have 2 laptops and 2 monitors, no tv (yet) | 20:06 |
| Myrtti | Arkenoi: you're the one who said the reason for usb host was to have a keyboard ;-) | 20:06 |
| Arkenoi | Disconnect, i often see tv's with vga in | 20:06 |
| glass_ | my monitor has a tv tuner | 20:06 |
| Myrtti | I have two laptops, no monitors, no tvs | 20:07 |
| ruskie | hmm haven't tried the tvout on this one... did do it on the n95 | 20:07 |
| * mgedmin has a TV and only uses it as a monitor for his asus eee pc 900 | 20:07 | |
| Disconnect | Arkenoi: vga or dvi? they're not the same, although I guess you could make the case for using an adapter and calling it the same in this instance. | 20:07 |
| glass_ | (and scart and such shit too! and hdmi, which i actually use) | 20:07 |
| jani | i tried my projector last weekend with n900 .. worked just ifne =) | 20:07 |
| javispedro | scart is actually the most common tv connector here (and I doubt it'll change until the next decade) | 20:07 |
| hrw | javispedro: for analog tvs? | 20:08 |
| *** guardian has quit IRC | 20:08 | |
| Disconnect | javispedro: UK right? istr reading that it was a decent standard with really annoying implementation | 20:08 |
| javispedro | for everything. | 20:08 |
| Flandry | wth is scart | 20:08 |
| *** DocScrutinizer51 has joined #maemo | 20:08 | |
| Myrtti | in Finland too... | 20:08 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 20:08 | |
| Arkenoi | scart is damn big and ugly | 20:08 |
| Disconnect | Flandry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCART | 20:08 |
| hrw | Flandry: 'euro scart' is 21 pin audio/video connector | 20:08 |
| Robot101 | scart is called peritel sometimes | 20:09 |
| *** bleader_ has quit IRC | 20:09 | |
| glass_ | scart is crap, but everywhere | 20:09 |
| Disconnect | think of a weird dongle that your tv uses to be a tv | 20:09 |
| Flandry | omg it's fugly | 20:09 |
| hrw | Flandry: RGB analog in, composite in/out, stereo audio in/out | 20:09 |
| mgedmin | the funniest thing about scart is that two scart devices are not necessarily compatible | 20:09 |
| Myrtti | roar, I need food. Tuna, noodles and vitamin pill. | 20:09 |
| mgedmin | e,g, some only emit composite out, while others only expect rgb in | 20:09 |
| glass_ | and for daily disconnect/connect i much prefer hdmi over others | 20:09 |
| hrw | Flandry: rgb is very often not existing | 20:09 |
| SpeedEvil | RGB analog in/out _sometimes_ | 20:09 |
| ShadowJK | I have a TV that only has RGB in/out, no composite :) | 20:10 |
| Flandry | huh i thought everyone used rga cables if not VGAA or DVI | 20:10 |
| *** vblazquez has joined #maemo | 20:10 | |
| * Disconnect would love to see component video from the portables tho | 20:10 | |
| ShadowJK | (on scart) | 20:10 |
| Flandry | er, composite | 20:10 |
| javispedro | mgedmin: though that possible, i've not seen it yet. and most allow you to choose between sending rgb/composite (videogames, dvb-t decoders...) | 20:10 |
| mgedmin | the precise example was probably wildly unlikely | 20:10 |
| ShadowJK | There are adapters that take composite and/or svideo and output scart, but it only works if the TV accepts composite on scart, of course | 20:11 |
| mgedmin | it's just that scart is a union of all common signal formats before a certain date | 20:11 |
| Disconnect | mgedmin: ..plus svideo | 20:11 |
| *** priha has quit IRC | 20:11 | |
| mgedmin | so that a device can emit everything it supports, and then the other side pick up the best signal out of those available that _it_ supports | 20:11 |
| *** trickie has joined #maemo | 20:11 | |
| javispedro | but svideo support is less common | 20:11 |
| ShadowJK | The nice thing about scart is the extra signaling pins, like how you can have multiple device on the same "scart bus", and the 16/9 4/3 signaling | 20:11 |
| Arkenoi | besides keyboards and flash drives, you may use USB host to connect a joystick, having a TV out n900 is quite nice game console ;-) | 20:12 |
| ShadowJK | but of course, not all devices implement it ok.. | 20:12 |
| *** Gadgetoid has joined #Maemo | 20:12 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 20:12 | |
| glass_ | scart is nice to connect the dvb-c decoder i have to use anyways since the built in is only dvb-t | 20:12 |
| ShadowJK | Arkenoi, N900 has no usb host | 20:12 |
| Disconnect | Arkenoi: you saw the mario demo right? starts playing on the n900, then sets it down and picks up a wiimote over bt. then plays.. then plugs it into tv and plays there.. its pretty sweet. | 20:12 |
| *** achipa has quit IRC | 20:13 | |
| *** vblazquez has quit IRC | 20:13 | |
| Myrtti | ShadowJK: he knows it :-/ he wants it for some weird reason | 20:14 |
| Gadgetoid | i can't wait for wiimote enhanced snes tv out fun | 20:14 |
| Disconnect | (i'd link it but its listed as 'removed by user' from youtube right now. so.. yah. but its out there. i think nokia even used it in an official ad or somethign - oooops.) | 20:14 |
| Gadgetoid | might have to wait for the pandora | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | ctrl-bs not listed in mannual's list of kbd-shortcuts :-/ | 20:17 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 20:17 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 20:18 | |
| Gadgetoid | hmm i really shoul read that list | 20:18 |
| Gadgetoid | virgin medias installers are crooks | 20:20 |
| ccooke | Gadgetoid: oh? | 20:21 |
| *** mgedmin has quit IRC | 20:21 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 20:22 | |
| Gadgetoid | ccooke we paid £45 per box for installation and the installer didnt even supply power cables | 20:22 |
| Gadgetoid | much less hdmi or even scart | 20:22 |
| *** Rhoruns has joined #maemo | 20:23 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 20:23 | |
| *** tbf has quit IRC | 20:24 | |
| Gadgetoid | and wouldnt move a point along the bedroom wall | 20:24 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 20:24 | |
| *** trickie has quit IRC | 20:25 | |
| Gadgetoid | i got a sky V.I.P. installation with the dish on the chimney and two feeds to every room | 20:25 |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 20:25 | |
| *** trofi_ has quit IRC | 20:25 | |
| *** slonopotamus_ has joined #maemo | 20:26 | |
| *** slonopotamus has quit IRC | 20:27 | |
| *** yannj has joined #maemo | 20:27 | |
| *** millenomi has quit IRC | 20:30 | |
| *** borism has quit IRC | 20:30 | |
| homeasvs_ | is there a way to see what is currently building in extras-devel ? | 20:30 |
| homeasvs_ | possibly even live output ? | 20:30 |
| *** Synergy6 has joined #maemo | 20:30 | |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: there's definitely somethink very broken in GPS. with network-'A' disabled and old pickle it never gets a fix. Compare to OM ublox antaris4 which gets a fix in <30sec even without any recent pickle update | 20:30 |
| jebba | homeasvs_: not certain, but you can at least see the buildlogs here: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/ | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: situation on OM was quite similar (almost identical) when FSO had a simple one-char typo in upload of pickle to gps-chipset | 20:32 |
| * SpeedEvil nods. | 20:32 | |
| homeasvs_ | jebba, yeah, but I'm worried my build might hang | 20:32 |
| * RST38h moos at Arkenoi at al | 20:32 | |
| *** viq has joined #maemo | 20:32 | |
| RST38h | et al | 20:32 |
| jebba | homeasvs_: if you find out, let me know plz | 20:32 |
| *** sleipnir has quit IRC | 20:33 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 20:33 | |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: seems GPS engines tend to irrecoverably barf on borked pickle uploads | 20:33 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 20:34 | |
| *** slonopotamus_ has quit IRC | 20:35 | |
| * DocScrutinizer-8 stops GPSjinni after 2h of trying to get a FF in vain | 20:36 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 20:36 | |
| *** sjgadsby has joined #maemo | 20:37 | |
| dolfun_ | RST38h: have you seen joydev module is avai? | 20:38 |
| dolfun_ | available | 20:39 |
| *** borism has joined #maemo | 20:39 | |
| dolfun_ | so maybe we can now have sdl joystick | 20:39 |
| dolfun_ | and somehow make zeemote use this? | 20:39 |
| *** bergie has quit IRC | 20:40 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 20:40 | |
| *** fredrin_ is now known as fredrin | 20:41 | |
| *** Synergy6 has quit IRC | 20:42 | |
| *** iDialekt has quit IRC | 20:42 | |
| *** fluff|afk is now known as fluff | 20:43 | |
| *** guardian has joined #maemo | 20:43 | |
| konttori | Theme maker 1.2.5 released! http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2009/12/theme-maker-125-out-fremantle-beta.html | 20:43 |
| konttori | Finally produces themes that *work* as they should | 20:43 |
| *** valdyn has quit IRC | 20:44 | |
| *** mihu has left #maemo | 20:44 | |
| *** saaib has joined #maemo | 20:44 | |
| jebba | cool :) | 20:44 |
| *** RevdKathy has joined #maemo | 20:45 | |
| *** baze has joined #maemo | 20:45 | |
| konttori | optification, icons, fonts, all of it! | 20:46 |
| *** guysoft422 has joined #maemo | 20:46 | |
| lcuk | haha konttori cool! | 20:46 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinize; there is 'location-test' or something in repos now - looks interesting | 20:46 |
| *** trofi has joined #maemo | 20:47 | |
| andre__ | RevdKathy, you made it :-) | 20:47 |
| RevdKathy | Looks like it! This is on the laptop... need to configure n900. But I think I'm in the right place! | 20:48 |
| andre__ | yes :) | 20:48 |
| *** Kht_n900 has joined #maemo | 20:48 | |
| RevdKathy | Good. I will try to be a good quiet girl and listen and learn. ;) | 20:48 |
| konttori | lcuk: did you have luck with the fm 'new' view? | 20:48 |
| Kht_n900 | hi ! | 20:49 |
| *** prusnak has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| konttori | (not expecting you had done it, just that how was it looking) | 20:49 |
| *** sjgadsby has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| Kht_n900 | does there is know bug with hildon.DateButton.set_date() in pymaemo ? | 20:49 |
| lizardo | Kht_n900: why you think so? | 20:49 |
| Kht_n900 | as for me it doesn t set the date | 20:49 |
| *** Mece_ has joined #Maemo | 20:49 | |
| Kht_n900 | in the label | 20:49 |
| Kht_n900 | of the value | 20:49 |
| Kht_n900 | in the button | 20:50 |
| *** dr_mason has joined #maemo | 20:50 | |
| *** guysoft22 has joined #maemo | 20:50 | |
| Kht_n900 | does i should set the date and set the text with set_value ? | 20:50 |
| Kht_n900 | maybe i misunderstood the docs :) | 20:50 |
| Kht_n900 | http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/python_hildon_manual/hildonobjects.html#datebutton | 20:51 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 20:51 | |
| *** baze has quit IRC | 20:51 | |
| *** crashanddie has joined #maemo | 20:51 | |
| wazd | konttori: time to finish my Mermantle theme I suppose :D | 20:51 |
| *** sjgadsby has joined #maemo | 20:52 | |
| konttori | wazd: definitely! | 20:52 |
| konttori | I'm pretty excited about this. | 20:52 |
| konttori | Especially that the optified themes are not any slower than non-optified | 20:53 |
| Mece_ | turns out the fm transmitter is a lot better when not charging. | 20:53 |
| lizardo | Kht_n900: try : button = hildon.DateButton() ; button.set_date(2009, 4, 12) | 20:53 |
| lizardo | Kht_n900: documentation is incorrect for set_data , it seems :( | 20:53 |
| Kht_n900 | lizardo: yep it s what i do | 20:53 |
| *** guysoft42 has quit IRC | 20:53 | |
| *** GuySoft has quit IRC | 20:53 | |
| *** hardaker2 has joined #maemo | 20:54 | |
| Kht_n900 | time to say bye i m loosing network :) | 20:54 |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 20:54 | |
| lizardo | Kht_n900: do you have a simple test ? | 20:54 |
| *** valdyn has joined #maemo | 20:56 | |
| Kht_n900 | lizardo and the simple example works | 20:57 |
| *** jebba900 has quit IRC | 20:57 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 20:57 | |
| Kht_n900 | :) sorry for disturbing | 20:57 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 20:58 | |
| lizardo | Kht_n900: ok them, I'm still waiting for the bug reports about documentation (you were the guy who promised to report the bugs, right?) | 20:59 |
| *** hrw is now known as hrw|gone | 20:59 | |
| Kht_n900 | lizardo : yep i ve still not enter it :( | 20:59 |
| lcuk | konttori, o_O optified themes, great! would that be appliable reprospectively so people can just run something and optify all their current themes | 21:00 |
| Kht_n900 | lizardo as i forgot what the pb is | 21:00 |
| *** millenomi has joined #maemo | 21:00 | |
| *** Mece_ has quit IRC | 21:00 | |
| konttori | lcuk: people who have created themes just need to re-create them | 21:00 |
| konttori | no biggie. | 21:01 |
| *** MoonTiger has joined #maemo | 21:01 | |
| *** Kht_n900 has quit IRC | 21:01 | |
| *** lorelei^ has quit IRC | 21:01 | |
| Stskeeps | konttori: surprised the new themes don't cause a performance hit - that's good :) i guess the cache file is loaded into memory | 21:01 |
| lcuk | konttori, i mean the themes installed in the flash | 21:01 |
| arachnist | is there an LCARS theme for Maemo5? :) | 21:02 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, doesnt the compression on / have something of an effect on relative performance | 21:02 |
| wazd | ok, I think I will not get any rebate from DDp now, cause I've started my reply e-mail with "thanks for fast response" :D | 21:02 |
| Gadgetoid | curried leftover roast- beautiful | 21:03 |
| lcuk | wazd, just start mailing asking about the n810 DDp | 21:03 |
| lcuk | :D | 21:03 |
| Gadgetoid | i wonder if i should have a crack at a maemo5 theme | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: (location) name? | 21:04 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 21:04 | |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: found maemo-geolocation | 21:04 |
| lcuk | Gadgetoid, konttori will smile if you do | 21:05 |
| *** fredrin has quit IRC | 21:05 | |
| jebba | great. my RFE was punted to "brainstorm". Of course, my first brainstorm is to have a brainstorm URL that actually loads. Why not track RFEs via bugzilla anyway? Far cleaner (well, i suppose, i dont know what the brainstorm page looks like). Bug #6518 | 21:05 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6518 RFE: Show calendar when selecting dates in Tasks/Calendar | 21:05 |
| Gadgetoid | haha lcuk i may well do if i can work out how- i am jonsing for a new theme | 21:05 |
| lcuk | well see his post up there | 21:06 |
| ShadowJK | "then this must be addressed as a back. " <- I can't read qgil, what does this mean? | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | bug | 21:06 |
| konttori | Gadgetoid: go ahead if you have a good idea | 21:06 |
| konttori | don't do it if you just want to try it out. It's a bit of work. At least 8 hours even if you have a vision. | 21:06 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: 'location test' is what it's called - when installed anyeay | 21:07 |
| Gadgetoid | didnt see that lcuk | 21:07 |
| Gadgetoid | will do konttori | 21:07 |
| *** viggi has quit IRC | 21:07 | |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer; doesn't seem to have an about page | 21:07 |
| Gadgetoid | i would love to work on porting apps, but it never goes anywhere | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: can't find anything like that on search | 21:07 |
| *** JoakimCarli has quit IRC | 21:08 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 21:08 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 21:08 | |
| *** guysoft422 has quit IRC | 21:08 | |
| *** hcarrega has joined #maemo | 21:08 | |
| *** GuySoft has joined #maemo | 21:08 | |
| range | jebba: Fun, because you seem to have entered a duplicate of bug 5296 which still is open :) | 21:08 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5296 Day picker shows no daynames - hard to enter recurrence for e.g. 5 days only | 21:08 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: you've got extras-devel I assume? | 21:08 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 21:08 | |
| javispedro | hah! already got opengl|es 1.1 to work | 21:08 |
| *** fredrin has joined #maemo | 21:08 | |
| SpeedEvil | It has 'method' 'interval' 'start' and 'map' buttons. And a window at the bottom the fix info scrolls down | 21:09 |
| * ruskie contemplates making a second imap mailbox for his use since modest doesn't have a clue about subscriptions file of any other way to filter out unwanted dirs | 21:09 | |
| SpeedEvil | oh - stop button too | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: yes, I have | 21:09 |
| homeasvs_ | anyone here getting 401's on apt-get update ? | 21:09 |
| ruskie | here | 21:09 |
| ruskie | just wanted to ask | 21:10 |
| ruskie | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/sdk/non-free/binary-armel/Packages.gz 401 Unauthorized | 21:10 |
| ruskie | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/tools/free/source/Sources.gz 401 Unauthorized | 21:10 |
| homeasvs_ | ok, so I'm not alone | 21:10 |
| javispedro | the device ssu repo has got a newer version of libgles1 | 21:10 |
| homeasvs_ | it seems to be random, changing on each update | 21:10 |
| javispedro | a newer version that shouldn't be on the wild yet... | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: SSU approaching maybe? | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: search for location in name and description doesn't yield good result | 21:10 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: from what I know, this has been happening for a while, so more probably someone put a sdk package in there | 21:11 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer; location-test-gui | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | repo? | 21:11 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: don't see that in the app-manager | 21:12 |
| SpeedEvil | maintainer Quanyi Sun | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | duh | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | catalogue: | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | in details | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | nothing? | 21:13 |
| SpeedEvil | no catalog line | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | fsck | 21:13 |
| Gadgetoid | gief mac version konttori | 21:13 |
| SpeedEvil | https://garage.maemo.org/users/quanyisun/ | 21:14 |
| SpeedEvil | there has to be some way to find out ... | 21:14 |
| *** avs has quit IRC | 21:14 | |
| javispedro | since noone depends on ogles1.1 for now, no one complains.. | 21:15 |
| *** kevloral has joined #maemo | 21:17 | |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: (garage) needs login. (name) in progman: liqtactoe, Lybniz | 21:17 |
| kevloral | hi all | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | :-/ | 21:17 |
| *** anselmolsm has quit IRC | 21:18 | |
| *** hardaker2 has quit IRC | 21:18 | |
| SpeedEvil | ah - tools repository I think | 21:18 |
| *** anselmolsm has joined #maemo | 21:18 | |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | duh, never heard of | 21:18 |
| jebba | range: yes, is similar. | 21:19 |
| *** micm has quit IRC | 21:19 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 21:19 | |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 | 21:19 |
| wazd | konttori: well, 8 hours is a little underestimated :D | 21:19 |
| wazd | konttori: for a complete redrawn theme | 21:19 |
| Gadgetoid | konttori nvm :) cheers | 21:20 |
| ruskie | are there people working on any themes or is it still to early for that in the lifetime of the n900? | 21:21 |
| Gadgetoid | wow | 21:21 |
| Gadgetoid | i am gonna have to break out the 27inch imac to work with this theme template | 21:22 |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 21:22 | |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: thnx | 21:22 |
| Gadgetoid | ruskie consider me working on a theme | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: people have been working on themes for a bit already | 21:22 |
| *** eichi has quit IRC | 21:23 | |
| Myrtti | there's couple of pink ones, but they all are a bit tacky to my taste... I guess I could do my own | 21:23 |
| Gadgetoid | i am looking for inspiration and i do not do tracky | 21:24 |
| Gadgetoid | tacky | 21:24 |
| javispedro | ok, so the battery lasted me around 5 hours with higher usage than my "usual average use". | 21:24 |
| javispedro | veredict: nice. | 21:24 |
| *** petrux has quit IRC | 21:24 | |
| *** borism has quit IRC | 21:24 | |
| javispedro | but still way less than n810 :(, which would have lasted 7 or even 8 hours with this pattern | 21:25 |
| RevdKathy | I have got someone working on a Christmas wall paper so a nice theme to go with it would be good | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo RevdKathy, welcome aboard irc, did you hang out here before? :P | 21:26 |
| Gadgetoid | i keep my n810 handy javispedro | 21:26 |
| *** matt_c has quit IRC | 21:26 | |
| RevdKathy | Not been on irc in about years, I think | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | repository.maemo.org 404 - wtf | 21:26 |
| ruskie | omg | 21:26 |
| ruskie | teh intertubes are crashing | 21:27 |
| *** croppa has quit IRC | 21:27 | |
| *** viggi has joined #maemo | 21:27 | |
| lcuk | RevdKathy, \o | 21:27 |
| RevdKathy | lcuk! Hi :) | 21:27 |
| SpeedEvil | RevdKathy: http://dropmix.xs4all.nl/rick/Xsnow/ | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | RevdKathy: good to see more sane t.m.o'ers on here :P | 21:28 |
| *** hrw|gone is now known as hrw | 21:28 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 21:28 | |
| *** croppa has joined #maemo | 21:28 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 21:28 | |
| RevdKathy | lcuk - I didn't sleep on the plane... want the concept notes on the sheepdog game when I can type them up? | 21:28 |
| *** hrw is now known as hrw|gone | 21:28 | |
| * SpeedEvil ponders a game you whistle at. | 21:28 | |
| lcuk | haha kathy, make a thread about them ill see if i can drop off something to seed it | 21:29 |
| xorAxAx | hrw|gone: you said that opensync is everything but usable. what do you suggest? | 21:29 |
| *** viggi has left #maemo | 21:29 | |
| *** viggi has joined #maemo | 21:29 | |
| RevdKathy | lcuk - I will. | 21:29 |
| lcuk | keep your top post updated with the concept | 21:29 |
| mikhas | would be nice if we could collect all the resources (slides, sketches, notes etc) on the maebar wiki pages | 21:29 |
| RevdKathy | stskeeps - thanks for the welcome! | 21:29 |
| mikhas | => archive | 21:29 |
| lcuk | so even if they ramble we have a coherant thread thats easy to just see | 21:29 |
| RevdKathy | Speedevil - love the snow! | 21:30 |
| homeasvs_ | anyone have an idea why the repos are currently returning 401 randomly ? | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | homeasvs_: export filter fubar | 21:30 |
| SpeedEvil | homeasvs_: nintendo DOS | 21:30 |
| lcuk | mikhas, yes thats the idea | 21:30 |
| javispedro | did someone mention Nintendo! | 21:30 |
| lcuk | i hope the slides are published there too | 21:30 |
| homeasvs_ | Stskeeps, SpeedEvil, are you making shit up ? | 21:31 |
| * lcuk facepalms @ javispedro | 21:31 | |
| hrw|gone | xorAxAx: experiment with latest opensync - should suck less | 21:31 |
| mikhas | not yet. the designers are more attached with forum nokia. but I've seen that some got maemo.org accounts =) | 21:31 |
| *** matt_c has joined #maemo | 21:31 | |
| RevdKathy | lcuk - I'll do that. Right now I am typing up a great long blog about the weekend | 21:31 |
| *** Venomrush has quit IRC | 21:31 | |
| * javispedro goes on playing Elevator Madness :) | 21:31 | |
| SpeedEvil | homeasvs_: no, of course not. I get all my top-quality information from this flying donkey. | 21:31 |
| lcuk | mikhas, that doesnt matter, forum nokia and maemo worked well together this weekend | 21:31 |
| mikhas | indeed! | 21:32 |
| RevdKathy | *Slaps Javispedro with a wet haddock* | 21:32 |
| *** koan has quit IRC | 21:32 | |
| *** koan has joined #maemo | 21:32 | |
| lcuk | and the central place for the maemo long weekend documentation is on maemo.org | 21:32 |
| wirelessdreamer | anyone here in the us with an n900 on AT&T? I'm wondering how painful is the 2g? | 21:32 |
| *** infobot has joined #maemo | 21:32 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 21:32 | |
| *** MoonTiger has quit IRC | 21:32 | |
| * lcuk smears javispedro's face with some tapas | 21:33 | |
| *** ljp has joined #maemo | 21:33 | |
| lcuk | especially smelly stale tapas | 21:33 |
| javispedro | ah, the missing tapas. | 21:33 |
| RevdKathy | lcuk... only tapas? why not some good hot chilli | 21:34 |
| *** dirk2 has joined #maemo | 21:34 | |
| * ruskie remembers that after all the reflashes he did he forgot to set a fresh alarm... | 21:34 | |
| lcuk | :D | 21:34 |
| *** Vink has quit IRC | 21:34 | |
| *** Chewtoy has quit IRC | 21:34 | |
| SpeedEvil | never underestimate the bandwidth of a speeding station wagon filled with tapas. | 21:34 |
| Klowner | I just want to punch the NokiaCare people in the face | 21:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Klowner: :( | 21:34 |
| ruskie | why? | 21:34 |
| lcuk | Klowner, err thats a bit far | 21:34 |
| * lcuk hands him some tapas | 21:34 | |
| javispedro | btw, how to attach a z buffer to the iphone egl context? MWAHAHA | 21:35 |
| *** zap_ has joined #maemo | 21:35 | |
| Flandry | mm tapas | 21:35 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Wooo dawgy | 21:35 |
| Flandry | send that high-bandwidth wagon my way | 21:35 |
| lcuk | kathy were you dropped off in the right place? | 21:35 |
| lcuk | and did you get back smoothly | 21:35 |
| * lcuk wants more kangaroo meat | 21:35 | |
| Klowner | I sent my N900 back on tuesday, fedex dropped it off to them on wednesday and the only information I can get regarding the replacement was a notification that it was received on friday | 21:35 |
| Klowner | trying to call them only results in being transferred repeatedly | 21:36 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 21:36 | |
| Klowner | and being subjected to terrible overdriven jazz music | 21:36 |
| Disconnect | the person you need is in sauna today | 21:36 |
| Klowner | that in itself warrants a facepunch | 21:36 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 21:36 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 21:36 | |
| *** borism has joined #maemo | 21:36 | |
| *** hardaker2 has joined #maemo | 21:38 | |
| RevdKathy | lcuk I was not quite at the right place, but I got back fine thanks. Car was fine,drive home uneventful thanks | 21:38 |
| RevdKathy | You got back ok? | 21:38 |
| *** florian has joined #maemo | 21:38 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil, http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/tools/free/binary-armel/Packages 404 :-S | 21:39 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 21:39 |
| *** disco_stu has joined #maemo | 21:39 | |
| lcuk | yeah RevdKathy very tired tho | 21:39 |
| lcuk | i was on my last legs | 21:39 |
| *** Chewtoy has joined #maemo | 21:39 | |
| *** Vink has joined #maemo | 21:39 | |
| RevdKathy | I had to leave work early cos I was so shattered today, lcuk | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/tools/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz | 21:40 |
| Vink | Hi | 21:40 |
| Vink | I am trying to install the Maemo SDK | 21:40 |
| Vink | I get the following error.. | 21:40 |
| Vink | W: Failed to fetch http://debian.o-hand.com/edgy/Packages 404 Not Found | 21:40 |
| *** viggi has left #maemo | 21:40 | |
| *** johnsq has joined #maemo | 21:40 | |
| johnsq | Hi | 21:40 |
| javispedro | hi | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps, hmm, the wiki "one click install repo" link is quite borked then | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps, how would I change settings in progman catalog settings to make that work? | 21:42 |
| *** croppa has quit IRC | 21:43 | |
| *** borism has quit IRC | 21:43 | |
| *** tbf has joined #maemo | 21:43 | |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: what error do you get? | 21:43 |
| *** swc|666 has joined #maemo | 21:43 | |
| Flandry | hi RevdKathy, not seen you on #maemo before | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps, compared the settings with those suggested in http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 | 21:44 |
| RevdKathy | It's my first time. I've not been on IRC since #trekbbs got closd down about 6 years ago! | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps, error 404 | 21:45 |
| * ruskie contemplates if messing with /etc/osso-af-init/locale will break anything | 21:45 | |
| *** GNUton-BNC has joined #maemo | 21:45 | |
| *** t_s_o has quit IRC | 21:46 | |
| *** Tenkom has quit IRC | 21:47 | |
| jebba | "Connected to Asterisk 1.6.1.11-1 currently running on Nokia-N900-42-11" Cool. Getting ready to upload to extras-devel now :=) | 21:47 |
| ruskie | lol | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jebba, heh | 21:48 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 21:48 | |
| ruskie | overkill :) | 21:48 |
| * ruskie changed his hostname | 21:48 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yoh | 21:48 |
| jebba | htop even uses more CPU than asterisk (with one call, playing a sound) | 21:48 |
| jebba | OVERKIILZ | 21:48 |
| ruskie | to what my primary mobile device is usually named | 21:48 |
| RevdKathy | lcuk - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=415068#post415068 | 21:49 |
| *** maxxle has joined #maemo | 21:49 | |
| *** zgold has joined #maemo | 21:50 | |
| zgold | Greetings! Does anybody know if any attempt has been made to get things like espxe or other playstation/ps2 emulators to work on the N900? | 21:50 |
| *** igagis_ has joined #maemo | 21:51 | |
| *** koan has quit IRC | 21:52 | |
| *** koan has joined #maemo | 21:52 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 21:52 | |
| *** viggi has joined #maemo | 21:52 | |
| *** goshawk has quit IRC | 21:53 | |
| maxxle | Hi! For my n900-box: I open Filemanager and select the device. Then i'm in something like an homedirectory. Which point in real filesystem is it? | 21:54 |
| *** prusnak has joined #maemo | 21:54 | |
| zgold | maxxle: /home/user | 21:54 |
| javispedro | /home/user/MyDocs | 21:54 |
| *** Venomrush has joined #maemo | 21:55 | |
| *** dirk2 has quit IRC | 21:55 | |
| Venomrush | hmm im having problems connecting to my wifi | 21:55 |
| Venomrush | just had to reboot router | 21:55 |
| wazd | zgold: well, we have PS3 only yet | 21:55 |
| maxxle | no it seems to be another directory. | 21:55 |
| *** richieeee72 has joined #maemo | 21:55 | |
| Venomrush | is there a way to renew local IP? | 21:55 |
| *** richieeee72 has left #maemo | 21:56 | |
| zgold | wazd: 3? | 21:56 |
| *** gunni_ has quit IRC | 21:56 | |
| ali1234 | zgold: if you attempt it, try to get the software renderer to work first, GL plugins will be harder. | 21:56 |
| javispedro | maxxle: it's /home/user/MyDocs which corresponds to the VFAT volume on the 32 GiB eMMC. | 21:56 |
| *** gunni has joined #maemo | 21:56 | |
| dmj7261 | lcuk: how was the conference? | 21:56 |
| lcuk | dmj7261, dreamy :) | 21:56 |
| wazd | zgold: kidding, but PS2 sounds the same as PS3 though :) | 21:56 |
| jebba | uh, so if i changed and uploaded a new ssh pubkey to garage, how long does it take to be "live". Cuz i'm getting permission denied running this: | 21:56 |
| jebba | ` scp *.tar.gz *.diff.gz *.changes *.dsc jebba@garage.maemo.org:/var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle/ ` | 21:56 |
| jebba | (I created a new pubkey for the scratchbox chroot different from my "main" pubkey) | 21:56 |
| maxxle | javispedro: I see a Documents folder in Filemanater. But there is none in xterm? | 21:56 |
| javispedro | zgold: a.k.a. impossible. probably no ps2 in n900. | 21:57 |
| javispedro | maxxle: "ls -a" | 21:57 |
| dmj7261 | lcuk: Did you participate in the video editing part? | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | maxxle: .documents | 21:57 |
| zgold | javispedro: what about epsxe i.e. ps1 ? | 21:57 |
| *** simula_n900 has joined #maemo | 21:57 | |
| javispedro | zgold: pupnik (not here right now) started one for n810 | 21:57 |
| maxxle | Nope - there are no hidden files. | 21:58 |
| javispedro | er... for 770 actually. | 21:58 |
| javispedro | maxxle: /home/user/MyDocs. | 21:58 |
| *** Ashenburge has joined #maemo | 21:58 | |
| zgold | javispedro: if the 770 can run ps1 then i'de think the n900 should be able to run ps1 games flawlessly | 21:58 |
| dolfun_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gZg7tWx5Zc Little Big Adcenture on the n900 | 21:58 |
| *** tbf has quit IRC | 21:59 | |
| lcuk | dmj7261, no actually but i think i can create a prototype for the ui fairy quickly | 21:59 |
| *** bergie has joined #maemo | 21:59 | |
| maxxle | wtf!? 'ls -l' and 'ls -la' don't list hidden files in my /home/user/MyDocs. I can cd to it by "cd . <TAB>" | 21:59 |
| dmj7261 | did you guys make a mockup or anything? | 21:59 |
| *** avs has joined #maemo | 21:59 | |
| Vink | Err http://debian.o-hand.com edgy/ Packages.. while maemo installation... | 21:59 |
| Vink | any soultion? | 21:59 |
| javispedro | zgold: the 770 could run them at 0.5fps or the like. don't expect the n900 to run them at 60fps, specially with a sw renderer. | 22:00 |
| aSIMULAtor | hi | 22:00 |
| dolfun_ | zgold, that psx from pupnik was a 1 fps joke | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | dolfun_: oh fuck yes | 22:00 |
| zgold | so basically the short answer is nobody is doing for the n900 yet | 22:00 |
| dolfun_ | but at lease it shows how much work to do | 22:00 |
| dolfun_ | zgold, the guy who does the iphone version maybe does n900 also | 22:01 |
| Arkenoi | anyone built maemopad+ for fremantle? | 22:01 |
| konttori | Gadgetoid: yeah, it works best on mac, it works on linux as well, but atm not on windows | 22:01 |
| *** trofi has quit IRC | 22:02 | |
| dmj7261 | lcuk: Did you see my mockups? | 22:02 |
| *** trofi has joined #maemo | 22:02 | |
| konttori | wazd: yeah, 8 hours might work if you are making a theme based on some existing graphic sets, e.g. from a game, another OS, movie gfx or alike. | 22:02 |
| ruskie | Arkenoi, sounds familiar I think I've seen it in some repo not sure though | 22:02 |
| lcuk | i saw a wodge of mockups, i want to see them online though | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps, http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10002 | 22:02 |
| ali1234 | zgold: there's a ps1 emulator for windows mobile which runs fairly well on much worse hw than n900 has | 22:03 |
| lcuk | dmj7261, best thing about this stage of concepting is it doesnt matter what tools or technologies are used to build the apps | 22:03 |
| *** v2n900 has joined #Maemo | 22:03 | |
| *** dr_mason has quit IRC | 22:03 | |
| dmj7261 | I couldn't make it to Barthelona, so I'd be curious what you guy came up with. | 22:03 |
| dmj7261 | lcuk: http://imagebin.org/74067 http://imagebin.org/74066 | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: isn't it sdk/tools? | 22:04 |
| *** Nick_ has joined #maemo | 22:05 | |
| ruskie | no | 22:05 |
| lcuk | dmj7261, there was a huge amount of interest in the video editor (we knew there was anyway) and there was at least 20 concept pages floating around | 22:05 |
| lcuk | for all different aspects of apps | 22:05 |
| lcuk | of the app | 22:05 |
| *** halves has quit IRC | 22:05 | |
| *** Nick_ is now known as Guest62670 | 22:05 | |
| jebba | homeasvs_: this lists a little bit of info about what's in the build queue. Perhaps you can find a lead thru there: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php | 22:05 |
| *** igagis has quit IRC | 22:05 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps, dunno. just clicked and accepted the one-click install for the catalog | 22:06 |
| Guest62670 | lol 'lcuk' = nothing but conceptual :) | 22:06 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 22:06 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps, alsomcompared the settings shown in screenshot dialog with those suggested on wiki | 22:06 |
| lcuk | Guest62670, yeah you are right | 22:07 |
| *** Ashenburge has quit IRC | 22:07 | |
| Guest62670 | too bad though. u got some good concepts lcuk but seriously...nothing ever comes from them. too bad. | 22:08 |
| *** lorelei^ has joined #maemo | 22:08 | |
| aSIMULAtor | lcuk, what's your email? so i can email you the interaction design i just wrote up | 22:08 |
| aSIMULAtor | i'll do the graphics and layout design guidelines tomorrow hahehehaheh | 22:08 |
| lcuk | hey adele you are awake :D | 22:09 |
| lcuk | im just goin sleep | 22:09 |
| aSIMULAtor | wuuuuut hehe | 22:09 |
| aSIMULAtor | it's 8 pm there | 22:09 |
| aSIMULAtor | yeah i took a 3 hr nap | 22:09 |
| lcuk | Guest62670, ive worked for 1 year on something. its not conceptual, its just slow on my own | 22:09 |
| *** Sho_ has quit IRC | 22:09 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 22:09 | |
| homeasvs_ | jebba, huh, yeah, but that's weird, an hour ago that page was empty, and it lists stuff from a few hours ago | 22:09 |
| dmj7261 | aSIMULAtor: you've done mockups too? | 22:09 |
| *** Tyrant91101 has joined #maemo | 22:09 | |
| ruskie | hmm is it just me or does modest actually have issues with imap... from what I can tell I'm missing a folder or few | 22:10 |
| aSIMULAtor | biked 25km to get rid of all this fat around my stomach which has accumulated over the weekend | 22:10 |
| aSIMULAtor | yz dmj7261 | 22:10 |
| *** viggi has quit IRC | 22:10 | |
| lcuk | hmmm aSIMULAter wonder how that got there | 22:10 |
| dmj7261 | cool...I'd be curious about them. | 22:10 |
| aSIMULAtor | yeah i wonder too | 22:10 |
| * aSIMULAtor ponders | 22:10 | |
| *** viggi has joined #maemo | 22:10 | |
| tigert | tapas :) | 22:10 |
| *** _claesbas has joined #maemo | 22:10 | |
| tigert | mmmm | 22:10 |
| aSIMULAtor | oh more than tapas | 22:10 |
| lcuk | lol tigert | 22:10 |
| GAN900 | Ugg | 22:10 |
| aSIMULAtor | i think it's the 400g steak too | 22:10 |
| aSIMULAtor | and all teh churros | 22:10 |
| aSIMULAtor | and all the waffles i ate | 22:10 |
| lcuk | and all thatchocolate! | 22:10 |
| aSIMULAtor | and that hot chocolate | 22:10 |
| GAN900 | AT&T is NY. :( | 22:10 |
| dmj7261 | with tasty spanish hot chocolate | 22:10 |
| KMFDM | aSIMULAter, good thing they didn't have stroopwafels too | 22:11 |
| aSIMULAtor | dmj7261 were you at the conference this weekend? | 22:11 |
| KMFDM | then you'd have really been done for | 22:11 |
| dmj7261 | ...There's a nice chocolateria in Madrid | 22:11 |
| aSIMULAtor | ugh damn it | 22:11 |
| aSIMULAtor | everywhere i go kmfdm | 22:11 |
| aSIMULAtor | i always gain weight | 22:11 |
| dmj7261 | I wish I could have gone. | 22:11 |
| GAN900 | tigert, went back to my room, repacked my bag and the next thing I remember I woke up at 1 AM. <_< | 22:11 |
| aSIMULAtor | i'm running out of stroopwafels so see you in february kmfdm :P | 22:11 |
| aSIMULAtor | and gouda | 22:11 |
| KMFDM | aSIMULAter, when you are here were are dragged your ass to a real stroopwafel tent | 22:11 |
| javispedro | GAN900: but you are safe now? :) | 22:11 |
| KMFDM | none of this store bought crap | 22:11 |
| KMFDM | and definitely not the 5x the price tourist junk you got last time :p | 22:12 |
| ruskie | lol | 22:12 |
| aSIMULAtor | ok sounds good | 22:12 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, back on US soil and it feels so good. | 22:12 |
| jebba | homeasvs_: how did you upload your files? | 22:12 |
| aSIMULAtor | i think by then, i don't care about my weight :P | 22:12 |
| tigert | GAN900: :) | 22:12 |
| GAN900 | Had a Whopper. | 22:12 |
| javispedro | haha | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | mm, burger king | 22:12 |
| * tigert bought some Bellota ham | 22:12 | |
| javispedro | there was both burger king and mc in the shopping mall | 22:12 |
| GAN900 | aSIMULAtor, I'm disappointed I didn't manage to track you down after Friday. | 22:12 |
| tigert | thanks to the tip by one of the guys whose name I now dont remember | 22:12 |
| tigert | yesterday night | 22:13 |
| dmj7261 | aSIMULAtor: I didn't get a chance to go, so I'd becurious to see what you have. | 22:13 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, yes, but this is BK in the US. :p | 22:13 |
| tigert | 100g of enjoyment | 22:13 |
| tigert | it was awesome | 22:13 |
| *** unixSnob has quit IRC | 22:13 | |
| *** evo has joined #maemo | 22:13 | |
| Guest62670 | is there an irc channel for maemo users? non-developers? | 22:13 |
| tigert | Guest62670: there is just #maemo as far as I know | 22:13 |
| javispedro | this is for talking about Bellota ham. | 22:13 |
| yannj | mAx is better than BK (sweden) | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | ok, definitely on this site http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5#Installation this link http://mg.pov.lt/770/tools-repository.install does not work | 22:13 |
| jebba | Guest62670: this is it. There is #maemo-devel too, but not so much in there! | 22:13 |
| aSIMULAtor | sure dmj7261 | 22:13 |
| tigert | we all seem to fit here so far | 22:13 |
| dolfun_ | javispedro, you have tried the joydev kernel module? | 22:13 |
| Guest62670 | thanks jebba | 22:14 |
| dolfun_ | or still no n900? | 22:14 |
| * GAN900 only has 6 more hours until he gets home. | 22:14 | |
| javispedro | dolfun_: what do you want the joydev module for? | 22:14 |
| Flandry | dolfun_: there isn't one | 22:14 |
| dolfun_ | i have loaded | 22:14 |
| aSIMULAtor | well i propose that we should start a maemo-ui channel | 22:14 |
| aSIMULAtor | for those interested in getting ux design consultancy with their apps | 22:14 |
| dolfun_ | but uqm does not seem to take joystik | 22:14 |
| *** mmatth has joined #maemo | 22:14 | |
| Flandry | dolfun_: what did you do? | 22:14 |
| mikhas | GAN900, ugh ... where are you currently? already US I'd assume? | 22:14 |
| dolfun_ | Flandry module is avail | 22:14 |
| javispedro | no joydev in the default firmware here | 22:15 |
| aSIMULAtor | i just joined there so whomever is interested :P | 22:15 |
| GAN900 | mikhas, JFK. | 22:15 |
| dolfun_ | bugs.maemo.org attachment | 22:15 |
| *** Vikuuri has joined #maemo | 22:15 | |
| GAN900 | Flight to Tampa is at 5:10 | 22:15 |
| Flandry | dolfun_: yeah i put that there :D | 22:15 |
| Guest62670 | id love a 'legacy' channel where I could hang with other Diablo users :) | 22:15 |
| mmatth | anyone have any experience with maemosec-certman for managing ssl certificates... does it work? | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil, Stskeeps could you help me out? | 22:15 |
| Flandry | but how did you install it | 22:15 |
| tigert | aSIMULAtor: I propose we keep it here for now | 22:15 |
| tigert | since it all fits here ok | 22:15 |
| jebba | aSIMULAtor: just use #maemo-devel perhaps, since is devel issue. | 22:15 |
| tigert | lets split when there is too much stuff for everything | 22:15 |
| javispedro | (which will be soon, now with 485 users) | 22:16 |
| jebba | tigert: well, i think this channel + -devel is reasonable. | 22:16 |
| javispedro | did this channel ever got more than 500? | 22:16 |
| tigert | aSIMULAtor: doing channels just splits the community, lets avoid it unless it is unavoidable | 22:16 |
| jebba | since devel issues get buried in "my mic dont work" or how do i install an app questions. | 22:16 |
| GAN900 | tigert, easier to asynch without the massive scrollback, though. | 22:16 |
| tigert | sure | 22:16 |
| aSIMULAtor | well, there's really no split per se, it could just be a branch off from this channel, still official | 22:16 |
| Flandry | dolfun_: how did you install the module, and what is it you are trying to do? | 22:16 |
| dolfun_ | Flandry do you have a zeemoted driver built that could control UQM\ | 22:16 |
| aSIMULAtor | this channel is inundated with various topics | 22:16 |
| tigert | yeah | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | tigert: we had a positive experience doing that with Mer - it's also about having a place to 'grow a subcommunity' | 22:16 |
| tigert | ok | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | and we're 110 people strong in there, heh | 22:16 |
| tigert | well | 22:17 |
| tigert | lets see if it works | 22:17 |
| aSIMULAtor | but if people want to get purely ux consultancy then i don't really see a problem with making a ux channel | 22:17 |
| dolfun_ | i can test that Flandry | 22:17 |
| *** jebba900 has joined #maemo | 22:17 | |
| aSIMULAtor | so it's one to one type deal | 22:17 |
| aSIMULAtor | i don't think it'll work to be honest :P | 22:17 |
| tigert | but lets do it so, that we move discussion there when needed? | 22:17 |
| mikhas | sigh, another channel to watch >< | 22:17 |
| aSIMULAtor | sure | 22:17 |
| aSIMULAtor | oh c'mon | 22:17 |
| * GAN900 feels like he's somewhere on the Pacific Rim and moving West slowly. | 22:17 | |
| aSIMULAtor | u ppl are on irc | 22:17 |
| Flandry | dolfun_: oh, not that one, sorry | 22:17 |
| dolfun_ | much better than tilt control--- | 22:17 |
| aSIMULAtor | irc is meant for joining tons of channels and idling in some :P | 22:17 |
| Flandry | dolfun_: did you try tilt control? | 22:17 |
| dolfun_ | put n900 by television and play sdlgames usig joydev | 22:17 |
| tigert | aSIMULAtor: you can really follow just a certain number | 22:17 |
| tigert | aSIMULAtor: it might work as a "work room" | 22:17 |
| dolfun_ | no | 22:17 |
| * jebba lobbies harder for #maemo-devel .... | 22:18 | |
| Stskeeps | jebba900: devel would be good for devel issues | 22:18 |
| dolfun_ | maybe a N900 channel | 22:18 |
| jebba | Stskeeps: heh. exactly | 22:18 |
| tigert | where we go when there is something that needs some quiet spot for a number of people | 22:18 |
| GAN900 | Oh, by the way, in case I haven't mentioned it. BCN was awesome!! | 22:18 |
| dolfun_ | cemetery | 22:18 |
| aSIMULAtor | yeah bacon is awesome | 22:18 |
| *** Meizirkki has quit IRC | 22:18 | |
| Guest62670 | Question: Is osso_xterm the only app to give an OS window on Diablo or are there other command line options? | 22:18 |
| aSIMULAtor | sounds good | 22:18 |
| *** bleader__ is now known as bleader | 22:18 | |
| Flandry | I'm not sure how the zeemote driver works | 22:19 |
| *** ghostman has joined #maemo | 22:19 | |
| ghostman | http://www.blauenarzisse.de/v3/index.php/aktuelles/1184-climagate-hacker-ueberfuehren-ipcc-zweigstelle-der-systematischen-luege | 22:19 |
| javispedro | the zeemote maemo driver I've seen doesn't use joydev at all | 22:19 |
| dolfun_ | tigert you can create a new channel by /join #tigerts_lair | 22:19 |
| jebba | lol | 22:19 |
| tigert | dolfun_: sure, I know :) | 22:19 |
| dolfun_ | javispedro - but there is also a thread about zeemote for PC on ubuntu - there they use zeemoted and joydev for sdl game | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | ghostman: and the source of global warming is the rage of people who haven't gotten N900's yet? :P | 22:19 |
| Flandry | dolfun_: that's an old version of zeemote | 22:20 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 22:20 | |
| Flandry | it used to used uinput like accelemymote does | 22:20 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 22:20 | |
| Guest62670 | stskeeps, any chance you guys will get your TI drivers before the year is over? | 22:20 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 22:20 | |
| dolfun_ | do you have an idea how this could work Flandry ? | 22:20 |
| Flandry | i can probably hack zeemote to do that, but my first priority is getting accelemymote working | 22:20 |
| ali1234 | libtool: You should recreate aclocal.m4 with macros from libtool 2.2.6 Debian-2.2.6a-1 | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~curse tools repo | 22:20 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, tools repo ! | 22:20 |
| * GAN900 thinks we need to get enough people to the Italian weekend to make it Summit 2010: Pt. I. *g* | 22:21 | |
| ali1234 | and how exactly do i do that? | 22:21 |
| Flandry | lol | 22:21 |
| *** Lancelot has joined #maemo | 22:21 | |
| Stskeeps | Guest62670: current issue is that we do have the MBX access drivers but of course, N8x0's screwed framebuffer setup messes up stuff. | 22:21 |
| dolfun_ | ok | 22:21 |
| redeeman | does the N900 support bluetooth headsets? | 22:21 |
| * tigert wishes for accelerometer -> generic joystick driver | 22:21 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | Guest62670: so nothing works. | 22:21 |
| Flandry | tigert: that's what it is | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | redeeman, flawlessly | 22:22 |
| tigert | Flandry: what? | 22:22 |
| tigert | Flandry: oh | 22:22 |
| tigert | what? | 22:22 |
| tigert | :) | 22:22 |
| Arkenoi | do you have non-english keyboard arrows working in UQM? | 22:22 |
| GAN900 | Aaah, I'd forgotten I had some Finnish chocolate in my carry on. | 22:23 |
| *** eton_ has quit IRC | 22:23 | |
| javispedro | so much chocolate | 22:23 |
| * javispedro goes grab some | 22:23 | |
| *** choppa has joined #maemo | 22:23 | |
| Guest62670 | stskeep so with that in mind will Mer move forward? how do you get around N8x0 framerate suckiness? | 22:23 |
| Flandry | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6623 | 22:23 |
| povbot` | Bug 6623: No Up key and Down key with Finnish keyboard | 22:23 |
| *** ghostman has left #maemo | 22:24 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 22:24 | |
| dolfun_ | Only way to map all keys in uqm is to prompt user to map upon first run | 22:24 |
| Guest62670 | framebuffer..not framerate | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | Guest62670: we're doing two tracks. GL drivers, and a qtablet based desktop. | 22:24 |
| *** evo has quit IRC | 22:24 | |
| andre__ | javispedro, share it! share! | 22:24 |
| dolfun_ | "press forward button" "press fire button" | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil, could you please share the config of your tools catalog | 22:24 |
| redeeman | DocScrutinizer51: how about PAN? | 22:24 |
| *** choppa has quit IRC | 22:24 | |
| Stskeeps | Guest62670: and the framebuffer issue is one we are looking into. right now, i hope TI will publish their drivers for OMAP2 + libs, and then people can work towards a N8x0 solution. | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dunno | 22:25 |
| Flandry | the solution is the tilt control | 22:25 |
| *** choppa has joined #maemo | 22:25 | |
| GAN900 | Mary and her bribes. | 22:25 |
| dolfun_ | no, because i want to play lying down | 22:25 |
| ruskie | hmm uqm using tilting... that would be fun | 22:25 |
| Guest62670 | crud..how do i pm someone in irc? | 22:25 |
| Flandry | dolfun_: it's not that kind of game :P | 22:25 |
| homeasvs_ | jebba, scp | 22:26 |
| dolfun_ | /msg username blah blah | 22:26 |
| Guest62670 | thanks | 22:26 |
| homeasvs_ | jebba, there is a summary.log that tells me the armel build is in progress | 22:26 |
| *** eton_ has joined #maemo | 22:26 | |
| ali1234 | zgold: ok, i compiled pcsx-reloaded in scratchbox armel target. it runs, but the video plugin failed to compile. looks like a trivial bug though | 22:26 |
| RevdKathy | GAN900 I got two bars of Mary's choc. ;) | 22:26 |
| dolfun_ | /execk sudo rm / username blah blah is the wrong way | 22:26 |
| zgold | ali1234: awesome :) | 22:27 |
| ali1234 | it wants to make a BOOL typedef, but the X headers do the same thing | 22:27 |
| ruskie | Guest62670, or /query to get a nice window for it | 22:27 |
| zgold | ali1234: if you get that working i'de bet $20 you make front page of engadget =P | 22:27 |
| GAN900 | RevdKathy, I had to turn down the second. Too much sugar. *g* | 22:28 |
| ruskie | omg | 22:28 |
| ruskie | ps1 on the n900 | 22:28 |
| ruskie | that would pwn | 22:28 |
| ali1234 | zgold: i'd rather have $20 | 22:28 |
| dolfun_ | 2 fps coming soon | 22:28 |
| RevdKathy | GAN900 I brought them home... to enjoy slowly | 22:28 |
| ruskie | I run it on a mobile p3 1GHz with 512mb of mem or so iirc | 22:28 |
| zgold | ali1234: make a deb i can install that'll play a FF7 rom and i'll sned you $20 | 22:28 |
| ruskie | works well if one uses the hw opengl plugin | 22:28 |
| Flandry | anyway for those with the uqm up/down arrow problem that don't want to read the comment in bugzilla, it's an SDL limitation and will be partly resolved when tilt control is added. For that i'm waiting on a kernel module package and testers. My N900 won't arrive for who knows how long. | 22:28 |
| *** slonopotamus has joined #maemo | 22:29 | |
| ruskie | hmmm how do contacts pass the email to modest? | 22:30 |
| *** BBNS_ has joined #maemo | 22:30 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 22:30 | |
| *** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS | 22:30 | |
| *** Lancelot has quit IRC | 22:30 | |
| Flandry | dolfun_: I made accelemymote work the way it does specifically so it would be a general solution to allow other joysticks to be used with uqm and to work with other SDL programs. Zeemote should work fine with uqm when it acts like a joystick, which apparently it does not atm. | 22:31 |
| *** Lorthirk has quit IRC | 22:31 | |
| GAN900 | Woo, 2 minute ping time | 22:31 |
| *** anselmolsm has quit IRC | 22:31 | |
| GAN900 | No wonder people love AT&T in NY | 22:31 |
| Flandry | using pigeons now? | 22:31 |
| GAN900 | Apparently | 22:32 |
| GAN900 | and maybe foxes. | 22:32 |
| jebba | waah. I knew a POST of 24M upload would barf via firefox.. " File upload error. (tar file) Please try to upload your packages again!" ... (using wizard...) | 22:32 |
| *** Lancelot has joined #maemo | 22:32 | |
| jebba | homeasvs_: where summary.log? | 22:32 |
| *** Dantonic has joined #maemo | 22:33 | |
| jebba | homeasvs_: also you wanna come to #maemo-devel so this doesnt get lost between us? ;) | 22:33 |
| GAN900 | Need to do a BCN wrapup blog | 22:33 |
| GAN900 | but I need a blog first. . . . | 22:33 |
| ali1234 | zgold: you might have to settle for a tgz | 22:33 |
| RevdKathy | GAN900 I'm doing a hackfest-virgin blog post | 22:34 |
| GAN900 | RevdKathy, awesome! | 22:34 |
| RevdKathy | My first ever experience of anything like that (apart from the odd sci-fi con which is completely different) | 22:35 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 22:35 | |
| Arkenoi | nokia messaging push works reasonably well. what bothers me is that it is "trial" and no one knows what will ever happen to it later | 22:35 |
| jebba | ah, at least scp is going for me now | 22:35 |
| zgold | ali1234: I don't think you can upload those to extras =P | 22:35 |
| dolfun_ | Flandry: i do not understand 'acts like a joystick'. Could accelemymote eventually let zeemote talk to all sdl-joystick apps? | 22:36 |
| *** Venomrush has quit IRC | 22:36 | |
| Flandry | RevdKathy: would like to read. It will be posted to talk? | 22:36 |
| RevdKathy | I will post in LJ, and link to talk. | 22:36 |
| RevdKathy | May take a day or two... I have a lot to say! | 22:36 |
| *** Lancelot is now known as Sir_Lancelot | 22:37 | |
| GAN900 | Planet. | 22:37 |
| GAN900 | Please | 22:37 |
| GAN900 | Good for karma whoring. | 22:37 |
| Flandry | dolfun_: The Zeemote app doesn't actually create a joystick device node on the N900. I'm guessing it just provides an API for programs to access, or feeds characters into an apps input stream. | 22:38 |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 22:38 | |
| lbt | hey RevdKathy ... welcome :D | 22:38 |
| RevdKathy | Hi lbt :) | 22:38 |
| Flandry | dolfun_: if it behaved as an actual joystick driver, it would work fine with uqm once you had the joydev module installed | 22:38 |
| Flandry | dolfun_: so it will have to be modified to do that | 22:39 |
| pgquiles | /join #launchpad | 22:39 |
| mmatth | any users of the maemosec-certman tool called "cmcli" out there? | 22:40 |
| Flandry | dolfun_: because it would then be able to work with any program that looks for a joystick, it's a worthwhile change, but i need to get uqm fixed before i will worry about that | 22:40 |
| GAN900 | lbt, really glad you came, by the way, fleshed out our little docs group perfectly, I think. | 22:40 |
| *** croppa has joined #maemo | 22:40 | |
| wazd | erm, pong | 22:40 |
| wazd | log is gone, who was asking me? :) | 22:41 |
| lbt | GAN900: heh - thanks ... and really good to meet you in person too :) | 22:41 |
| ali1234 | damn, i wish people would include system headers *before* their own broken crap, it makes their code so much easier to fix | 22:41 |
| lbt | GAN900: next time lets make sure we get to grab a meal/drink too | 22:41 |
| *** jukuli has quit IRC | 22:41 | |
| *** Sir_Lancelot has quit IRC | 22:41 | |
| derf | ali1234: Most of the time it's the stupid broken system headers on some obscure platform that need to be "fixed". | 22:41 |
| *** cosmo_ has quit IRC | 22:41 | |
| *** adeus has quit IRC | 22:42 | |
| *** koan has quit IRC | 22:42 | |
| GAN900 | Indeed | 22:42 |
| *** koan has joined #maemo | 22:42 | |
| GAN900 | lbt, was hoping to end up with the "right" group for dinner on Fri | 22:42 |
| *** Sir_Lancelot has joined #maemo | 22:42 | |
| GAN900 | but ended up with lame VDVsx, yerga and andy80. :D | 22:42 |
| *** flx_ has joined #maemo | 22:43 | |
| ali1234 | it doesn't really make any difference whose fault it is at this point. i have to fix the code, because the SDK probably isn't going to get fixed (if it is even wrong) | 22:43 |
| lbt | GAN900: yeah :( | 22:43 |
| *** valdyn has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** Corsac has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** rEv9 has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** glass_ has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** Miksi_ has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** joppu_ has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** olmu has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** tableteer has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** samueldr has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** aSIMULAter has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** Ceron^ has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** BernardV has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** lucent has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** naaaa_ has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** sivang has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** kabtoffe_ has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** vanksi has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** jkyro has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** t0h has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** jaska has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** suihkulokki has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** riussi has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** pillar has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** rashed2020 has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** naxxatoe has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** ecksun has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** kynky has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** Macer has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** sneakret_ has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** ssweeny has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** Hydroxide has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** Stargazers has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** andrewgodwin has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** zchydem_work has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** vcgomes has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** MuJu has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** MSameerWork has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** sharpneli has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** wirelessdreamer has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** mzz has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** mnurmi has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** nomis has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** PolarFox has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** SaBer has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** Vudentz has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** wjt has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** range has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** jani has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** ahf has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** IRSeekBot has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** kirma has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** pekuja has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** monkeyiq has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** Sir_Lancelot has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| lbt | tough having to deal with that lot GAN900 ;) | 22:44 |
| *** dfdf_ has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** flux has quit IRC | 22:44 | |
| *** valdyn has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** Corsac has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** lucent has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** Stargazers has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** BernardV has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** Ceron^ has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** wirelessdreamer has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** aSIMULAter has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** monkeyiq has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** samueldr has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** rashed2020 has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** riussi has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** tableteer has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** range has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** olmu has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** jkyro has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** andrewgodwin has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** nomis has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** sivang has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** ahf has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** kabtoffe_ has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** naxxatoe has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** rEv9 has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** vanksi has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** mnurmi has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** pillar has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** PolarFox has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** Macer has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** pekuja has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** naaaa_ has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** t0h has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** wjt has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** IRSeekBot has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** kirma has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** jaska has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** Hydroxide has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** kynky has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** ssweeny has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** jani has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** MSameerWork has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** Vudentz has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** mzz has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** joppu_ has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** MuJu has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** zchydem_work has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** Miksi_ has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** sharpneli has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** vcgomes has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** suihkulokki has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** SaBer has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** sneakret_ has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** ecksun has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** glass_ has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** Sir_Lancelot has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| GAN900 | ;) | 22:45 |
| *** Sir_Lancelot has quit IRC | 22:45 | |
| *** cosmo has joined #maemo | 22:45 | |
| *** adeus has joined #maemo | 22:45 | |
| *** thopiekar has quit IRC | 22:45 | |
| *** jukuli has joined #maemo | 22:45 | |
| *** avs has quit IRC | 22:45 | |
| *** Dantonic has quit IRC | 22:46 | |
| *** bergie has quit IRC | 22:46 | |
| RevdKathy | There was a 'right' group to dine with? I just had fun with whomever! | 22:46 |
| *** keesj_ has joined #maemo | 22:47 | |
| *** Lancelot has joined #maemo | 22:47 | |
| GAN900 | RevdKathy, kidding. ;) But was alluding to qgil/lbt on Friday. ;) | 22:47 |
| *** Lancelot is now known as Sir_Lancelot | 22:48 | |
| jebba | anyone knw if there is a way to find out more about what is going on with the builder? Like a live status page? | 22:48 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 22:48 | |
| RevdKathy | Ahhh I missed that. I dined mostly with the docs team. So what did we miss between qgil and lbt? | 22:49 |
| jebba | right now i just am reloading this, but there is no way to know how much is in front of me in the queue https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/?C=M;O=A | 22:49 |
| javispedro | jebba: there's not. | 22:49 |
| aSIMULAtor | right group? yeah i was wondering the same..i just followed whomever wanted to eat loads lke i did | 22:49 |
| *** simula_n900 has quit IRC | 22:49 | |
| lbt | I dunno - me, dave, mary and the rest left them way behind ;) | 22:49 |
| mikhas | aSIMULAter, you should have joined sebas =) | 22:49 |
| *** baraujo has quit IRC | 22:49 | |
| mikhas | he was insane | 22:49 |
| aSIMULAtor | it was weird, i kept feeling stuffed and kept slapping myself for being a glutton | 22:50 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 22:50 | |
| aSIMULAtor | then some nice foods popped up and i just ended up eating more | 22:50 |
| aSIMULAtor | OM NOM NOM | 22:50 |
| mikhas | heheh, yeah. it was HARD to stop | 22:50 |
| GAN900 | mikhas, no shit. | 22:50 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | I likes food :( | 22:50 |
| aSIMULAtor | i likes food too :D | 22:50 |
| *** zenvoid___ is now known as zenvoid | 22:51 | |
| GAN900 | mikhas, had so much fun at the bar on Sat. | 22:51 |
| mikhas | thursday was tapas night for us. we ended up on a 200€ bill ... for tapas and 6 people. go figure | 22:51 |
| javispedro | O.o | 22:51 |
| mikhas | yeah, I love such small places | 22:51 |
| *** lizardo has quit IRC | 22:51 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 22:51 | |
| *** millenomi has quit IRC | 22:51 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 22:51 | |
| aSIMULAtor | where'd you go for tapas? | 22:51 |
| GAN900 | Ah, damn, anidel pmed me on Talk to get together Sunday night. :( | 22:52 |
| *** z4chh has joined #maemo | 22:52 | |
| mikhas | sebas asked an old woman on plaza catalunya, and we got directed to the "best place to eat tapas" in barcelona or so | 22:52 |
| *** Sir_Lancelot has quit IRC | 22:52 | |
| *** dfdf_ has quit IRC | 22:53 | |
| aSIMULAtor | we went here.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/asimulator/4159173452/ | 22:53 |
| mikhas | it was near the parliament | 22:53 |
| * javispedro dislikes tapas... I prefer eating something ... "consistent" ;) | 22:53 | |
| aSIMULAtor | and we were charged 1.80 for every toothpick | 22:53 |
| aSIMULAtor | and holy nom nom nom | 22:53 |
| mikhas | ooooh right! *checks whether the pics have gps information* | 22:53 |
| aSIMULAtor | oh no i took out hte info :/ | 22:53 |
| mikhas | taberna! | 22:53 |
| mikhas | that's the place | 22:53 |
| GAN900 | mikhas, whenever somebody says "it's all about the people" I'm going to remember you on the metro on Sat. :D | 22:53 |
| * lcuk bets you are gonna keep the christmas poo on your own fireplace | 22:53 | |
| mikhas | =p | 22:53 |
| aSIMULAtor | i'm going to give it to my mom in law | 22:53 |
| aSIMULAtor | and tell her it's a poo | 22:54 |
| aSIMULAtor | cause i just want to see her reaction | 22:54 |
| * frals bashes his head against JScrollPane and JTable and heads off into wonderland again | 22:54 | |
| *** Sir_Lancelot has joined #maemo | 22:54 | |
| * lcuk disliked eating pigs ear | 22:54 | |
| *** Sir_Lancelot has quit IRC | 22:54 | |
| lcuk | and fish | 22:54 |
| aSIMULAtor | mmm fish | 22:54 |
| * lcuk adored kangaroo | 22:54 | |
| GAN900 | I couldn't get a fix all weekend | 22:54 |
| lbt | anyone else here do the vimeo video? | 22:55 |
| lbt | and get a release form to sign? | 22:55 |
| toggles_w | lcuk: good isn't it | 22:55 |
| lcuk | toggles_w, was devine | 22:55 |
| GAN900 | GPS really doesn't work for shit without cellular. | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5337 | 22:55 |
| povbot` | Bug 5337: Can't get GPS lock without network connection | 22:55 |
| toggles_w | delicious.. stay away frmo the emu though | 22:55 |
| * lbt thinks about his steak and snails | 22:55 | |
| aSIMULAtor | how did hte kangaroo taste lcuk? | 22:56 |
| aSIMULAtor | like gamey beef? | 22:56 |
| GAN900 | Glad VDVsx was there to pick tapas for me. | 22:56 |
| *** Dantonic has joined #maemo | 22:56 | |
| lcuk | aSIMULAter, it was salty and was just nice | 22:56 |
| lcuk | texture was great | 22:56 |
| * GAN900 had some mini octopus | 22:57 | |
| * lcuk is hungry just thinking about it | 22:57 | |
| lcuk | deep fried? | 22:57 |
| *** b-man17 has joined #maemo | 22:57 | |
| * lcuk did too | 22:57 | |
| aSIMULAtor | deep fried everything rules | 22:57 |
| GAN900 | Cooked in some sort of red sauce. | 22:57 |
| GAN900 | Gur | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | freaky tools repo "fixed itself" | 22:58 |
| * javispedro goes to eat something :) | 22:58 | |
| *** fusi_ has quit IRC | 22:58 | |
| aSIMULAtor | deep fried chocolate with waffles and deep fried icea cream coated with more chocolate | 22:58 |
| *** promulo_ has quit IRC | 22:58 | |
| javispedro | see you! | 22:58 |
| aSIMULAtor | lucky javispedro | 22:58 |
| aSIMULAtor | lots of nice dining places there | 22:58 |
| javispedro | hehe | 22:58 |
| GAN900 | I had a fried meal at the mall on Sat and barely managed to sit through dneary and lbt's back and forth after lunch. :D | 22:58 |
| aSIMULAtor | oh which place gan? | 22:59 |
| *** javispedro has quit IRC | 22:59 | |
| * lcuk deep fries aSIMULAtors christmas poo | 22:59 | |
| aSIMULAtor | with chocolate lcuk | 22:59 |
| GAN900 | Something about the grease they use over there did me in. | 23:00 |
| GAN900 | Um, the one with the greenish sign next to the pizza place. | 23:00 |
| lcuk | i need beer | 23:00 |
| aSIMULAtor | i need chocolate | 23:00 |
| GAN900 | Had the two-coure + desert for 11.95 | 23:00 |
| aSIMULAtor | oh hrm...i don't remember | 23:00 |
| GAN900 | s/coure/course/ | 23:00 |
| infobot | GAN900 meant: Had the two-course + desert for 11.95 | 23:00 |
| aSIMULAtor | ate at some catalan restaurant there and some shitty tex mex place | 23:00 |
| RevdKathy | I had salad for starter there GAN900 - I think it helped! | 23:00 |
| aSIMULAtor | talking about food is making me hungry | 23:00 |
| GAN900 | RevdKathy, yeah, it's weird because I don't usually have issues with grease. | 23:01 |
| *** asolsson has quit IRC | 23:01 | |
| RevdKathy | GAN900 I often do - usually eat very low fat. But I was fine. Think I was just on a huge adrenaline high | 23:01 |
| GAN900 | I mean, I'm from the Southern US. ;) | 23:01 |
| GAN900 | But something about THAT grease was bad. | 23:01 |
| GAN900 | Hehe | 23:01 |
| RevdKathy | GAN900 I think it was the 'fries'. | 23:02 |
| aSIMULAtor | mmmmmmm southern food | 23:02 |
| *** andre__ has quit IRC | 23:02 | |
| GAN900 | Yeah, probably, they had a weird color. | 23:02 |
| aSIMULAtor | can u send me some biscuits with gravy | 23:02 |
| aSIMULAtor | and some fried chicken | 23:02 |
| mikhas | the fries? that was also calamari IIRC | 23:02 |
| GAN900 | I'm gonna make some fried chicken and gravy tomorrow. | 23:02 |
| GAN900 | mikhas, at the mall on Sat @ lunch | 23:03 |
| aSIMULAtor | my mouth just all of the sudden became flooded with saliva | 23:03 |
| * lcuk opens #maemo-food | 23:03 | |
| GAN900 | Not dinner. | 23:03 |
| mikhas | ah | 23:03 |
| *** andre__ has joined #maemo | 23:03 | |
| *** Fonsterputsaren has joined #maemo | 23:03 | |
| aSIMULAtor | i guess this is my charm lcuk, talk about food | 23:03 |
| mikhas | oh ... THAT mall | 23:03 |
| mikhas | not too surprised, hah! | 23:03 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 23:03 | |
| aSIMULAtor | then slap myself after eating so much | 23:03 |
| *** alextreme has joined #maemo | 23:03 | |
| GAN900 | Too much European food. ;) | 23:03 |
| mikhas | it's annoying and somewhat interesting at the same time, but you have the same type of mall everywhere in europe now =/ | 23:04 |
| lcuk | i need to sleep | 23:04 |
| RevdKathy | GAN900 - have something nice and local to make up for it | 23:04 |
| *** user_ has joined #maemo | 23:04 | |
| aSIMULAtor | hyvää yötä lcuk! | 23:04 |
| aSIMULAtor | mikhas, it really has infilitrated finland yet | 23:04 |
| RevdKathy | lcuk me too. Not enough sleep all weekend | 23:04 |
| aSIMULAtor | there are malls, but not so prominent | 23:04 |
| *** ssvb has quit IRC | 23:04 | |
| aSIMULAtor | there's also still mom and pop stores too that seem to keep afloat i have no idea how | 23:05 |
| GAN900 | mikhas, not great, but it was convenient to citilab | 23:05 |
| mikhas | oh good | 23:05 |
| *** user_ is now known as tenkom | 23:05 | |
| aSIMULAtor | mikhas sorry i can't put a face to your nick | 23:05 |
| aSIMULAtor | i'm trying to remember who you are | 23:05 |
| mikhas | face: =) | 23:05 |
| mikhas | we forgot to make a group photo right? | 23:06 |
| mikhas | well, "forgot" | 23:06 |
| aSIMULAtor | yeah :( | 23:06 |
| aSIMULAtor | well there's always next time :) | 23:06 |
| *** Ufoeke has quit IRC | 23:06 | |
| mikhas | we can just go through #maebar flickr uploads and tag our faces | 23:07 |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 23:07 | |
| GAN900 | mikhas, there's one of you in my stream | 23:07 |
| GAN900 | At dinner on Say | 23:07 |
| mikhas | cool | 23:07 |
| GAN900 | Say* | 23:08 |
| *** BabelO_ has joined #maemo | 23:08 | |
| aSIMULAtor | oh i should add that tag to my flickr set | 23:08 |
| GAN900 | Gr | 23:08 |
| mikhas | aSIMULAter, http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/4162826244/in/pool-1328519@N22 <= center guy | 23:08 |
| *** fusi has joined #maemo | 23:09 | |
| *** user_ has joined #maemo | 23:09 | |
| GAN900 | aSIMULAtor, group, too. | 23:09 |
| aSIMULAtor | ahh i remember you :D | 23:09 |
| lcuk | mikhas, aSIMULAtor can tag her faeces http://www.flickr.com/photos/asimulator/4159173960/ | 23:09 |
| aSIMULAtor | i just remember you as the guy who was quite positive and happy | 23:09 |
| *** swc|666 has quit IRC | 23:09 | |
| aSIMULAtor | it's a shame we didn't get to talk much at the conference | 23:09 |
| user_ | sitting in the pub havin a brew lovin the 900 | 23:09 |
| *** user_ is now known as dm900 | 23:11 | |
| *** Sir_Lancelot has joined #maemo | 23:13 | |
| *** GuySoft has quit IRC | 23:14 | |
| GAN900 | Bleh, stupid SMS notification wont go away. | 23:14 |
| dm900 | #heh | 23:15 |
| aSIMULAtor | ok photos added! :) | 23:16 |
| RevdKathy | GAN900 there's a little x in the corner of the notify, if your touch is acurate enough | 23:16 |
| GAN900 | RevdKathy, no, I know, it's broken. | 23:16 |
| GAN900 | Notification is stuck. | 23:16 |
| GAN900 | LED is flashing | 23:16 |
| RevdKathy | Eek! | 23:16 |
| RevdKathy | What has caused that? | 23:16 |
| GAN900 | Is what I mean by "notification" | 23:16 |
| GAN900 | Dunno | 23:17 |
| GAN900 | Glitchiness | 23:17 |
| RevdKathy | what colour is it flashing? | 23:17 |
| GAN900 | blue, for "new SMS". :P | 23:17 |
| aSIMULAtor | RevdKathy: is the revd short for reverend? | 23:17 |
| GAN900 | Turning off the notification for new sms in prefs stops it. | 23:17 |
| *** GuySoft has joined #maemo | 23:17 | |
| dm900 | the thing i hsofar is when it locks and you are showimg i off you gotta hit power to get to the slider screen instead of jusr,t touchimg the screen dont know if there away to set it diffrently though i looked | 23:17 |
| dm900 | hate* | 23:18 |
| RevdKathy | aSIMULAtor yes but don';t hold it against me. I'm mostly quite normal | 23:18 |
| GAN900 | dm900, use the lock slider on the right? | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900, no yellow notifier to hit in dashboard? | 23:18 |
| aSIMULAtor | Church of England? Lutheran? | 23:18 |
| RevdKathy | GAN900 try seeing if there's anything open? | 23:18 |
| aSIMULAtor | i won't hold it against you i think it's interesting :) | 23:19 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, did, read the SMS, closed the chat window. Flashes on. | 23:19 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 23:19 | |
| andre__ | mikhas, uh, you went to Barca? Didn't even know that :) | 23:19 |
| RevdKathy | aSIMULATOR Methodist technically. But I work in healthcare so multifaith | 23:19 |
| GAN900 | RevdKathy, tempted to restart mce if it wasn't likely to reboot me. | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900, the question was different though | 23:19 |
| GAN900 | andre__, why weren't you there, you bastard? | 23:19 |
| RevdKathy | GAN900 mce? What's that? | 23:19 |
| slonopotamus | Currently Active Users: 1199 (324 members and 875 guests) | 23:20 |
| slonopotamus | omg | 23:20 |
| andre__ | GAN900: because I'm not really into UI, honey. plus it's nice to not be on a plane every month :-P | 23:20 |
| dm900 | GAN900: i know bout that but to see th clock and slide on the screen | 23:20 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, there was, I've since closed it. Thus the bug. | 23:20 |
| dm900 | ohwell | 23:20 |
| GAN900 | andre__, yes, but meeee! | 23:20 |
| GAN900 | Plus we had our own little docs clique | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900, ok L-/ | 23:21 |
| andre__ | well, next Maemo thingy I'll be around again (except that there's exams) | 23:21 |
| GAN900 | RevdKathy, machine control entity, Daemon that handles hardware state stuff. | 23:21 |
| RevdKathy | GAN900 sounds scary. :s | 23:22 |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 23:22 | |
| GAN900 | I'm never coming back to Europe to spit you. :p | 23:22 |
| andre__ | GAN900, you still have a few years ;-) | 23:23 |
| GAN900 | er, spite. | 23:24 |
| RevdKathy | Awww GAN900 Not even to meet the rest of us? | 23:24 |
| GAN900 | RevdKathy, OK, maybe, but don't tell andre__ | 23:25 |
| RevdKathy | GAN900 deal! | 23:25 |
| *** alecrim has quit IRC | 23:26 | |
| * andre__ hasn't heard anything | 23:26 | |
| *** sjgadsby has quit IRC | 23:26 | |
| *** javispedro has joined #maemo | 23:26 | |
| andre__ | whouah. let's call it a day here and finish work, 12h after starting... :-/ | 23:26 |
| *** tiflsc has joined #maemo | 23:26 | |
| andre__ | you folks file too many bugs ;-) | 23:26 |
| javispedro | poor andre__ :P | 23:26 |
| javispedro | sorry for the duplicated one I filed :P | 23:27 |
| GAN900 | Hehe | 23:27 |
| *** Guest62670 has quit IRC | 23:27 | |
| *** chris231989 has joined #maemo | 23:27 | |
| mikhas | andre__, beer? | 23:27 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, don't appologize. : | 23:27 |
| andre__ | mikhas, got beer already :-P | 23:27 |
| mikhas | heh, prost! | 23:27 |
| *** fnordianslip has quit IRC | 23:27 | |
| andre__ | javispedro: yeah, I was really disappointed by your behaviour! | 23:27 |
| *** konttori has quit IRC | 23:27 | |
| andre__ | mikhas, prost | 23:28 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 23:28 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 23:28 | |
| *** fiferboy has quit IRC | 23:29 | |
| *** _JP_ has joined #maemo | 23:29 | |
| RevdKathy | Ooh err! 1500 words and I haven;t even got to the actual documents workshop! | 23:29 |
| *** Flyser_ has joined #maemo | 23:29 | |
| *** dm900 has quit IRC | 23:29 | |
| *** Zeddy has quit IRC | 23:29 | |
| *** prozzerg has joined #maemo | 23:30 | |
| *** Dantonic has quit IRC | 23:30 | |
| *** mashiara has joined #maemo | 23:30 | |
| *** Dantonic has joined #maemo | 23:31 | |
| mikhas | RevdKathy, make a series of posts then | 23:32 |
| RevdKathy | I'm about to post the first half... just proof rading | 23:32 |
| ali1234 | k, it's working (finally) | 23:33 |
| GAN900 | RevdKathy, multipart is even better for karma whoring. | 23:33 |
| RevdKathy | LOL! | 23:33 |
| *** user_ has joined #maemo | 23:33 | |
| GAN900 | and make sure you get it on http://planet.maemo.org | 23:33 |
| RevdKathy | I'm not a karma whore... or any other sort :p | 23:33 |
| RevdKathy | I'm not in the planet feed | 23:33 |
| GAN900 | Yeah, that's what they all say. | 23:33 |
| RevdKathy | so it won't be. | 23:34 |
| GAN900 | Send a request | 23:34 |
| RevdKathy | I couldn;t work out how... :( | 23:34 |
| GAN900 | X-Fade will process it tomorrow, probably. | 23:34 |
| *** user_ is now known as Gnuton-n900 | 23:34 | |
| GAN900 | Link in the right column by the list of blogs. | 23:34 |
| *** mece has quit IRC | 23:34 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 23:35 | |
| mikhas | RevdKathy, but if you dont syndicate your blog none of us will read/find your posts! | 23:35 |
| RevdKathy | I'll post a link in tmo | 23:35 |
| GAN900 | and we wont find it on Talk, either! | 23:35 |
| mikhas | since we dont read tmo =p | 23:36 |
| *** Xisdibik has quit IRC | 23:36 | |
| *** maxxle has quit IRC | 23:37 | |
| RevdKathy | LOL how do I syndicate it then? | 23:37 |
| GAN900 | Should be a link | 23:37 |
| *** geaaru has quit IRC | 23:37 | |
| GAN900 | http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/aggregate_your_blog/ | 23:38 |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 23:39 | |
| *** mece has joined #maemo | 23:39 | |
| *** Flyser has quit IRC | 23:39 | |
| *** JamieBennett has left #maemo | 23:40 | |
| *** goshawk has joined #maemo | 23:40 | |
| dolfun_ | is there an alternate podcast downloader than gpodder for maemo? | 23:41 |
| *** felipec has joined #maemo | 23:42 | |
| *** dolfun_ has quit IRC | 23:43 | |
| *** fluff is now known as fluff|afk | 23:44 | |
| *** fluff|afk is now known as fluff | 23:44 | |
| fnordianslippers | dolfun_: you don't like gpodder? | 23:45 |
| *** DocScrutinizer51 has quit IRC | 23:45 | |
| *** anselmolsm has joined #maemo | 23:45 | |
| *** mece has left #maemo | 23:46 | |
| GAN900 | Hooray | 23:47 |
| GAN900 | Free in-flight WiFi, I get to pester you guys from 9000'+ tonight. :P | 23:47 |
| GAN900 | Until then. | 23:47 |
| * GAN900 offline | 23:47 | |
| Stskeeps | scary | 23:47 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 23:49 | |
| *** BBNS_ has joined #maemo | 23:49 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer51 has joined #maemo | 23:49 | |
| Disconnect | mostly scary he's only at 9000 feet.. | 23:50 |
| *** benh has quit IRC | 23:52 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 23:52 | |
| *** JPohlmann has joined #maemo | 23:54 | |
| *** iDialekt has joined #maemo | 23:55 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 23:55 | |
| b-man17 | ~seen xnt14 | 23:56 |
| infobot | xnt14 <n=xnt14@pool-71-251-0-112.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 6d 21h 39m 53s ago, saying: 'ok lol'. | 23:56 |
| *** mfinkle has joined #maemo | 23:56 | |
| range | Grrr. Modest still thinks the last mail I got was from yesterday and refuses to refresh the INBOX. | 23:56 |
| *** chenca has quit IRC | 23:56 | |
| wao | j #fedora-admin | 23:57 |
| range | Need a "/"? | 23:58 |
| Dantonic | anyone use xchat on the n900? | 23:58 |
| zgold | ali1234: you got it to work?! | 23:58 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 23:58 |
| *** GNUton-BNC has quit IRC | 23:58 | |
| ali1234 | it's kinda slow | 23:58 |
| wazd | javispedro: around? | 23:58 |
| javispedro | wazd: yes | 23:58 |
| zgold | ali1234: In SB or on the device? | 23:58 |
| *** GNUton-BNC has joined #maemo | 23:58 | |
| *** juliank has quit IRC | 23:58 | |
| ali1234 | now RGB screenmodes so it has to do YUV conversion | 23:58 |
| ali1234 | on the device | 23:59 |
| v2n900 | xchat works fine | 23:59 |
| wazd | javispedro: heya, I've got something for you :) | 23:59 |
| ali1234 | almost nothing works right in sbox, in my experience, this included | 23:59 |
| * javispedro feels it will be something good :D | 23:59 | |
| zgold | ali1234: awesomeness. Any screenshots? :) | 23:59 |
| ali1234 | it's running at about 5 fps i guess | 23:59 |
| zgold | any chance of working that out? Perhaps some opengl es hacking? | 23:59 |
| *** Ryback_ has quit IRC | 23:59 | |
| Dantonic | Not sure why I just can't connect to any server... on xchat | 23:59 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!
