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| lardman|home | would one tend to have a class that represents the whole app, and that global vars would become members of? | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | yes | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps | sivang: quim.gil@nokia.com? (sure you got the right guy? not sure if quim does video editing :) | 00:00 |
| lcuk | you dont have globals in OO | 00:00 |
| lcuk | or its not right to | 00:00 |
| lardman|home | ok | 00:00 |
| lardman|home | would that be the same class as the main window | 00:00 |
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| lardman|home | or a class above that? | 00:00 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: opos, never IRC when you are drunk | 00:01 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: I was sure I was in #plone | 00:01 |
| sivang | :) | 00:01 |
| arachnist | ircing while drinking is fun | 00:01 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: I attended the Nokida Develoepr day , and talked to Jure | 00:01 |
| lardman|home | only way to do it! | 00:01 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: and Sami | 00:01 |
| arachnist | especially if you try identifying in nickserv | 00:01 |
| sivang | hehehe | 00:01 |
| lardman|home | lol | 00:01 |
| sivang | I am actually sitting in a bar in tel aviv | 00:02 |
| * lardman|home is not sure he can fact Qt-ising the whole of mbarcode atm, TV time | 00:02 | |
| sivang | got too drunk over guuness and a lot of whiskey | 00:02 |
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| sivang | or whisky | 00:02 |
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| Stskeeps | on a n900? | 00:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:02 |
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| sivang | hahah | 00:03 |
| sivang | I wish! | 00:03 |
| sivang | they ruffled onlyu one and it wasn't me | 00:03 |
| sivang | who won it | 00:03 |
| sivang | although the UI could use some performance improvements | 00:03 |
| sivang | it was a bit Jerky | 00:03 |
| Stskeeps | sivang: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend is the barcelona thing | 00:03 |
| sivang | yeah, Jure noted to me about it but currently I am out of funds to go there by my own financing | 00:04 |
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| jebba900 | interesting. The media player made thumbnails of my videos EXCEPT the ones i shot with the camera | 00:04 |
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| sivang | was a great event although the venue was gross | 00:05 |
| sivang | be back later, switchign to antoher pub/wifi | 00:05 |
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| javispedro | though, I have to ask, how does identification work in these events? | 00:06 |
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| jebba900 | also, why is the camera so out of focus? I'm shooting something like 10 meters away | 00:07 |
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| lardman|afk | no continuous focus | 00:11 |
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| lardman|afk | have you panned? | 00:11 |
| jebba900 | 'apt-get install diff' says its provided by busybox, but busybox isnt compiled with diff | 00:11 |
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| jebba900 | larrdman, a bit. you mean just side to side? | 00:11 |
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| Flandry | ie so that the object in view is a different distance away than when originally focused | 00:13 |
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| jebba900 | flandry, when is original focus set? | 00:20 |
| Flandry | I have no idea, but i assume it's when you first push down the shutter button | 00:21 |
| lardman|home | yeah I think so | 00:21 |
| lardman|home | but again, no real idea :) | 00:21 |
| lardman|home | back to the tv or the wife will kill me | 00:21 |
| lardman|home | :) | 00:21 |
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| Flandry | duh fail | 00:22 |
| Flandry | haha | 00:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jebba900, it works like a camera. | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Half-step to autofocus. | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | The brackets indicate whether it was successful. | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, video? | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nevermind then, no clue. | 00:24 |
| * mtnbkr is LOVING his new N900 :) | 00:25 | |
| * Pavlov wishes the 20 n900s he ordered would arrive | 00:25 | |
| jebba900 | this was video, but ive had same probs with still | 00:25 |
| toggles_w | mtnbkr: don't rub it in | 00:25 |
| Pavlov | or you know, ship | 00:25 |
| mtnbkr | 20?? | 00:25 |
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| jebba900 | 3 here have 1... | 00:25 |
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| jebba900 | gah howto kill join/part msgs in xchat editing conf trying to find keyword.... | 00:27 |
| mtnbkr | toggles_w: Sorry... I am just really excited.. The N900 with Maemo is what I have been waiting for for years now... All open-source software on an Open source OS, on an open hardware platform that is not locked into a carrier. The phone was my LAST DRM'ed/locked-in thing I neded to replace. Everything elase I do is Linux, FreeBSD etc. :) Buh-Bye iPhone. :) | 00:27 |
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| Stskeeps | all open source? hmm | 00:28 |
| jebba900 | irc_who_join ? | 00:28 |
| mtnbkr | Stskeeps: well, mostly? :) | 00:28 |
| Stskeeps | mtnbkr: good enough | 00:28 |
| mtnbkr | Stskeeps: how about far more open than iPhone? heh | 00:28 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, ping | 00:28 |
| javispedro | VDVsx: hi | 00:28 |
| Stskeeps | mtnbkr: works for me | 00:28 |
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| jebba900 | mtnbkr agreed. about 95percent there. (just noticed no percent sign!) | 00:29 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, are you a BCN metro expert ? :P | 00:29 |
| evo | jebba900: try this one: http://t0x.in/xchatsetvars.html | 00:29 |
| aSIMULAtor | are we all staying at hte same hotel? | 00:29 |
| evo | jebba900: I don't know how up to date it is | 00:29 |
| jebba900 | try evo | 00:29 |
| javispedro | VDVsx: I have Métro app installed, does that qualify? :) | 00:30 |
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| VDVsx | aSIMULAter, dunno | 00:30 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, probably | 00:30 |
| VDVsx | lol | 00:30 |
| aSIMULAtor | nh something something cornelia something | 00:30 |
| javispedro | qgil said 16 nh cornellà rooms | 00:30 |
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| javispedro | btw there's no free wifi | 00:31 |
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| javispedro | the provider is swissnet or something like that | 00:31 |
| javispedro | (on the hotel) | 00:31 |
| VDVsx | aSIMULAter, NH Cornellà here | 00:31 |
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| javispedro | bcn metro map (.pdf): http://www.tmb.net/img/genplano.pdf | 00:32 |
| aSIMULAtor | same | 00:32 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, so l5 to Sants estacion and then l3 to Drassanes ? (for Maremagnum) | 00:32 |
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| javispedro | VDVsx: yep, that'll work :) | 00:33 |
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| VDVsx | javispedro, btw, is that metro app free ? :D | 00:34 |
| VDVsx | can be handy | 00:34 |
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| javispedro | VDVsx: it's a garnetvm app :) | 00:34 |
| javispedro | but free as in beer | 00:34 |
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| VDVsx | javispedro, symbian, maemo version ? | 00:34 |
| javispedro | http://www.nanika.net/metro/ has saved me uncountable times | 00:34 |
| javispedro | nope. | 00:34 |
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| javispedro | well, they seem to do symbian now. | 00:35 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, cool :P | 00:35 |
| * VDVsx downloads the metro app | 00:35 | |
| jebba900 | evo thx that worked | 00:36 |
| * aSIMULAtor puts the map on her device | 00:37 | |
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| evo | jebba900: you're welcome | 00:38 |
| aSIMULAtor | how much is a travelcard for hte weekend? | 00:38 |
| aSIMULAtor | does anyone know | 00:38 |
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| javispedro | from drassanes to maremagnum you have to walk along a wood bridge, but that's pretty old and I'm sure qgil'll know | 00:38 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, is it unsafe ? lol | 00:39 |
| GAN900 | jebba900, fn-sym | 00:39 |
| javispedro | VDVsx: it's large and wide :) | 00:39 |
| GAN900 | How far is the conference center from the hotel? | 00:39 |
| javispedro | GAN900: < 5 minutes | 00:40 |
| aSIMULAtor | good question | 00:40 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, so no prob | 00:40 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, walking? | 00:40 |
| javispedro | GAN900: yep | 00:40 |
| javispedro | (citilab <-> nh cornellà) | 00:40 |
| aSIMULAtor | so that's 10 mins for little ppl such as myself | 00:40 |
| javispedro | :) | 00:40 |
| javispedro | and there's ping pong tables on the way | 00:40 |
| aSIMULAtor | we have a good ping pong player on our ui team | 00:41 |
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| javispedro | I was surprised to see them :) | 00:41 |
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| aSIMULAtor | he's bringing his gear too to barcelona | 00:41 |
| aSIMULAtor | has a ping pong date | 00:41 |
| aSIMULAtor | :P | 00:41 |
| aSIMULAtor | or rather just his paddle | 00:41 |
| aSIMULAtor | not sure what other gear | 00:42 |
| aSIMULAtor | maybe short shorts and a sweatband | 00:42 |
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| GAN900 | Hrm, landing around 07:45, hopefully to the hotel by 08:30. | 00:44 |
| jebba900 | GAN900 fn-sym ? | 00:44 |
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| GAN900 | jebba900, the top two keys on the leftmost side of the keyboard. | 00:44 |
| GAN900 | For percent % | 00:44 |
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| mece | tomorrow is N900 day for me! yay! | 00:45 |
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| mece | err.. again. monday was also N900 day. Twice. But this time it's my private device, not the two I got for work :) | 00:45 |
| jebba900 | GAN900 heh. I did ctrl-q in xchat | 00:46 |
| GAN900 | Anybody going to be leaving the hotel around 08:45 who knows where they're going. | 00:46 |
| GAN900 | ? | 00:46 |
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| jebba900 | i see it now | 00:46 |
| jebba900 | like the top two keys, not the blue one heh | 00:46 |
| javispedro | aSIMULAter: a 3 day card is 15,20€ | 00:48 |
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| GAN900 | jebba900, also, ctrl-backspace to | 00:48 |
| GAN900 | go to the dashboard | 00:48 |
| GAN900 | go to the dashboard | 00:48 |
| GAN900 | Ugh | 00:48 |
| fnordianslip | is stuff in fremantle tools optified? | 00:48 |
| GAN900 | damn keyboard | 00:49 |
| javispedro | though, there's a card with 10 journeys for 7.70€ | 00:49 |
| fnordianslip | GAN900: is that the mbpro keybd ? | 00:49 |
| fnordianslip | mine's a bugger | 00:49 |
| GAN900 | fnordianslip, no, N900 keyboard. :P | 00:49 |
| fnordianslip | hmm. smaller but less prone to ignoring key presses | 00:49 |
| GAN900 | The MacBook Pros all feel like battleships to me since I got a Mini 9. | 00:50 |
| fnordianslip | mine's a 17" aircraft carrier | 00:50 |
| fnordianslip | and the eee901 is a dinghy | 00:50 |
| * GAN900 uses a Unicomp keyboard on his Mac Pro that is pure bliss. (http://pckeyboard.com)) | 00:51 | |
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| tKMFDM | i wonder if it would be possible to add OTR functionality to telepathy-haze accounts | 01:06 |
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| phreck_ | WADDDAPPPP | 01:07 |
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| phreck_ | Is the Devel repo down? i cant seem to get the catalogue to update... | 01:08 |
| mece | hey is the custom xterm qole flashed in tmo available somewhere? | 01:08 |
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| Arkenoi | evo: i mean "regular" UMTS video calls, not VoIP | 01:09 |
| evo | Arkenoi: oh sorry, I was talking about this article: http://www.fring.com/blog/?p=1791 | 01:11 |
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| asidjazz | i know why its not workin :) | 01:11 |
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| asidjazz | fuckin vmware takin up all my usbs | 01:11 |
| phreck_ | lol | 01:11 |
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| mece | oh found the thread. here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34926 if someone's interested in adding software keys to xterm. | 01:14 |
| phreck_ | yea. | 01:14 |
| asidjazz | yea hide hte bar! | 01:14 |
| phreck_ | saw that | 01:15 |
| asidjazz | HIZIDE IT | 01:15 |
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| asidjazz | hi timeless | 01:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | hello | 01:16 |
| timeless_mbp | what's up? | 01:16 |
| asidjazz | just having issues trying to flash this n900 | 01:17 |
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| asidjazz | i think i figured it out its vmware taking usb ports | 01:17 |
| SpeedEvil | The clock doesn't flop around when you move the display under the power of the accellerometer. | 01:17 |
| asidjazz | brb rebooting | 01:17 |
| mece | i'm off. toodles. | 01:17 |
| SpeedEvil | This is a dalibreaker. | 01:17 |
| timeless_mbp | ah | 01:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | yeah, vmware and friends do that | 01:17 |
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| range | Before I file a bug ... | 01:18 |
| range | I have automatic connections to all networks (wlan/3G) configured. | 01:19 |
| phreck_ | Is the devel repo up guys? | 01:19 |
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| range | When I'm at home, the N900 connects to a Linksys WRT610N - and then after 10 to 15 minutes it switches to 3G. If I tell it to not automatically connect to 3G, it stays connected to the Linksys. | 01:20 |
| range | Anywhere where I can see *why* that happens? | 01:20 |
| range | Because I really don't want to be on 3G when at home :) | 01:20 |
| lardman|afk | night all | 01:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | range: so... | 01:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | there's a setting for per connection power use | 01:21 |
| range | Yeah. Didn't touch that yet ... | 01:21 |
| timeless_mbp | it's possible that's relevant | 01:21 |
| phreck_ | touching wifi setting is not good... | 01:21 |
| range | phreck_: Yeah, but switching to 3G in an area where I am *likely* to have a charger available isn't good either. | 01:21 |
| range | Okay, let me look | 01:22 |
| range | timeless_mbp: So you think setting power saving to medium could help? | 01:23 |
| luke-jr | IMO, I would have it connect to Wifi (both active), have it move connections it can (MIPv6, or simple transparent reconnection like XMPP), then shutdown 3G if no longer needed | 01:24 |
| range | Because it keeps the ad hoc network to my MacBook. | 01:24 |
| luke-jr | and vice-versa when Wifi signal gets poor | 01:24 |
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| Macer | god fight club cracks me up when the skinny cancer girl gets up there trying to hook up for sex | 01:25 |
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| range | Otherwise: Nice machine (yes, my microphone works) :) | 01:25 |
| phreck_ | Macer: that is pretty hilarious | 01:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | range: i have no idea | 01:26 |
| timeless_mbp | i know of various toggles, i work on the web browser | 01:26 |
| Macer | phreck_: i love this movie | 01:26 |
| timeless_mbp | and occasionally i translate the platform | 01:26 |
| timeless_mbp | and right now we're repainting the map | 01:26 |
| timeless_mbp | but ... i don't touch hardware :) | 01:26 |
| Macer | i mean you really have to take a moment to realize how crazy the people in it are ) | 01:26 |
| range | Ah well. Let's see. Otherwise I'll open up a bug report (if it also happens with the guest wlan at work yesterday where 3G is much weaker than at home). | 01:27 |
| Macer | it took me like 3 times watching it to stop for a moment and realize how absolutely nuts he was :) | 01:27 |
| Macer | i mean going to support groups to cry in order to sleep? | 01:27 |
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| range | yesterday? tomorrow. | 01:28 |
| * range crawls back into bed, tree, ocean. | 01:28 | |
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| Xisdibik | someone said my name earlier ;) | 01:31 |
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| Xisdibik | anyways off work see you guys in a bit | 01:31 |
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| jebbajeb | i'm really wowing my 5 year old with vncviewer on the fone to his computer. haha. magico. | 01:33 |
| SpeedEvil | 5 year olds are so spoilt these days. | 01:34 |
| SpeedEvil | 4chan, redtube, ... | 01:34 |
| jebbajeb | oh man.... | 01:34 |
| jebbajeb | he's more supertux... alex4, abe... | 01:34 |
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| range | timeless_mbp: Hmmm. Looks like that does it. So always keep a charger at bay when at home. | 01:38 |
| ManuelSE | next generation seems to expecting these devices | 01:38 |
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| range | I wouldn't have thought about that. Thanks. | 01:38 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 01:39 |
| range | Okay, that was too early. Exactly when typing that it switched :/ | 01:41 |
| ManuelSE | is there 10x the interest in N900 over the exciterment and press of them N800? | 01:41 |
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| jebbajeb | probably more | 01:42 |
| ManuelSE | also can users buy from a carrier which does not drmlock n900? | 01:42 |
| ManuelSE | how do users know if they have a locked drvice? | 01:42 |
| jebbajeb | ManuelSE: all the n900s i've heard of so far are unlocked | 01:43 |
| ManuelSE | or if they are getting a locked n900? | 01:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | Hmm. | 01:43 |
| SpeedEvil | If the USB connector was on the right hand side - it would be a lot easier to hit return | 01:43 |
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| luke-jr | jebbajeb: referring to a specific kind of lock? All I've heard so far is that all N900s are locked and absolutely not unlockable ;) | 01:44 |
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| redeeman | luke-jr: locked how? | 01:44 |
| luke-jr | redeeman: closed spec, closed code | 01:44 |
| luke-jr | around essential components | 01:45 |
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| jebbajeb | ah | 01:45 |
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| jebbajeb | well, i was referring more to "buy it from att, can't use it with verizon" kind of locked. I think that's what Q implied. | 01:45 |
| luke-jr | I see. | 01:45 |
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| luke-jr | even then, N900 is "locked" to GSM networks | 01:45 |
| luke-jr | of which there are like, 2, both with outrageous pricing | 01:45 |
| luke-jr | would be nice if N900 supported iDEN SIM cards too, Boost Mobile has a decent price | 01:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I want bluetooth SIM profile | 01:46 |
| SpeedEvil | that would be nice | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | redeeman, the trolling kind of "locking". :) | 01:46 |
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| Venomrush | how do i do a clear screen in IRC? | 01:46 |
| SpeedEvil | /clear | 01:47 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: have I said anything false? | 01:47 |
| Venomrush | thanks :0 | 01:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, Boost can't manage to achieve better than single-digit KB/sec and often it's measured in bytes/sec. | 01:47 |
| Venomrush | seems like maemo.org servers arent going to get ugpraded this month | 01:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, you redefined the definition of the words "locked" and "unlocked" for your own purposes. | 01:48 |
| Venomrush | christmas and new year will be fun | 01:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Venomrush, indeed. | 01:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Venomrush, another incompetent ISP. | 01:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Surprise, surprise. | 01:48 |
| jebbajeb | luke-jr: well, they are unlockable, you just gotta write the code ;) It's not like they have something *stopping* you, they just haven't provided the code yet. But see things like ofono or whatever it is. | 01:48 |
| Venomrush | is it possible for network carriers to 'brand' the n900? | 01:48 |
| jebbajeb | luke-jr: you mean "closed" not locked, but this is getting in trolling territory... | 01:48 |
| Venomrush | and by flashing the global firmware, we'll be able to debrand it? | 01:49 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: Boost is more practical though | 01:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, data that doesn't work isn't "practical" for me. | 01:49 |
| luke-jr | jebbajeb: they haven't provided specs, either | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | jebbajeb, way past trolling territory. ;) | 01:49 |
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| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: it should be enough for any regular usage. not enough for VoIP, but that's what the voice part of the cell service is for | 01:49 |
| jebbajeb | luke-jr: for which parts? | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, I was on Nextel once, it's not. :) | 01:50 |
| luke-jr | jebbajeb: AFAIK, the phone, GPS, and battery | 01:50 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: gee, thanks for ruining my hopes of an affordable cell service :( | 01:50 |
| jebbajeb | luke-jr: see ofono for the fone part of it. They are working on an entire free stack you cat git-clone if you desire. | 01:50 |
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| luke-jr | jebbajeb: last I heard there was closed bits at the center | 01:51 |
| luke-jr | don't know if the situation has changed | 01:51 |
| jebbajeb | luke-jr: for ofono? it's all open AFAICT. At least everything in the git repo is. | 01:51 |
| luke-jr | but I don't care about high-level predefined-uses interface | 01:51 |
| luke-jr | just the low-level talks-to-hardware stuff | 01:51 |
| luke-jr | my ideal is a shell script I run from Konsole to dial | 01:52 |
| jebbajeb | so i'm assuming you haven't bothered to look at ofono and are just speculating? | 01:52 |
| jebbajeb | you can probably do that now | 01:52 |
| luke-jr | jebbajeb: with nothing more than a BASH shell and 100% open kernel ;) | 01:52 |
| jebbajeb | luke-jr: ofono/drivers/isimodem/devinfo.c <--- I assume you are ignoring that? | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, T-Mobile's unlimited plan costs the same as Boost's unlimited plan. | 01:53 |
| luke-jr | jebbajeb: I assume I've only looked at a list of closed packages :) | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Except their network isn't incredibly old and outdated. | 01:53 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: $30/mo, with no 5 GB cap? | 01:53 |
| jebbajeb | voicecall.c etc... | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | You couldn't reach 5GB if you tried on Boost. | 01:54 |
| luke-jr | no? | 01:54 |
| luke-jr | 2 KB/sec can hit 5 GB in a month | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just barely | 01:55 |
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| jebbajeb | luke-jr: even with the closed GSM stack on the n900 now, there probably still is a way to make a call from the shell | 01:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jebbajeb, yes, it's just Telepathy. | 01:56 |
| range | Um. | 01:56 |
| jebbajeb | GeneralAntilles: you have a sample script by any chance? | 01:56 |
| range | Where's ">" and "<" on the keyboard? :) | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | range, fn-sym. | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | jebbajeb, not handy, but I'm sure qwerty12 could spit out the dbus recipe if here were here. | 01:57 |
| jebbajeb | range: fn is the blue arrow pointing up on the left | 01:57 |
| range | Thanks! | 01:57 |
| range | That's not in the printed manual :) | 01:57 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: you're saying Boost is slower than 3 KB/sec? | 01:57 |
| Arkenoi | oops. seems that contact pictures are not fetched from IM, just displayed if available. i'd like to have a way to store them permanently | 01:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | actually it's a major annoyance xchat segfaults on presets storing | 02:03 |
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| ManuelSE | yes. is a complex program, and ui is not fully tabletized | 02:05 |
| ManuelSE | edit presets in vi | 02:05 |
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| jebbajeb | ~/.xchat2/xchat.conf | 02:05 |
| ManuelSE | inm /home/us yes | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I know | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | some of the settimgs not really self explanatory | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and I prefer mcedit to vi ;-) | 02:08 |
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| asidjazz | mcedit are you kidding me | 02:09 |
| asidjazz | thats like saying i prefer dogshit to boobs | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lol | 02:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | for serious work take ed | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or sed | 02:10 |
| jebbajeb | hah | 02:10 |
| hashier | notepad (: | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eeeek | 02:11 |
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| * DocScrutinizer51 is amazed to find himself drooling that much over his "iron" despite all the (admittedly minor) bugs he already found | 02:13 | |
| SpeedEvil | it is shiny | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not a single showstopper though | 02:14 |
| SpeedEvil | My only gripes are mecanical | 02:14 |
| SpeedEvil | If the display was 5mm thicker, and the base 5mm thinner, it would be lots easier for me to use | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | from a keyboard POV | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | speedevil, which ones? | 02:15 |
| jebbajeb | "mechanically" I don't like when you are on a call and charging the fone, the power cable is at the TOP, not the bottom. | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | speedevil. huh? | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jebbajeb. lol | 02:17 |
| SpeedEvil | My thumbs don't bend enough when the keyboard is held in left and right hand fingers to easily hit the return, right-arrow and shift and symbol-shift keys | 02:17 |
| SpeedEvil | If the base was ~2mm thinner, they would | 02:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | Maybe I'm holding it wrong. | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dont see that | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | see problem. not cure though | 02:18 |
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| * DocScrutinizer51 hopes for a 910 with 810 formfactor | 02:19 | |
| SpeedEvil | If the keyboard was thinner, at least for me - the thumb joint would not have to bend so far in order not to hit a key while moving over it | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Which is uncomfortable. | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | i'm too used to 810 - alwaysmhit m instead of spacebar | 02:21 |
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| arachnist | i like the N900 keyboard | 02:22 |
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| arachnist | apart from the euro and gbp keys | 02:23 |
| arachnist | i'd put <, > or | there | 02:23 |
| phreck- | xchat for n900 is good | 02:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I like it - mostly | 02:23 |
| SpeedEvil | the tactility is great | 02:23 |
| phreck- | its a good port | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I hope the stains won't be as severe as on N810, after a year of heavy use | 02:24 |
| phreck- | worried about battery | 02:24 |
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| arachnist | yeah | 02:25 |
| arachnist | having to charge it every day is not going to be good for the battery life in the long term | 02:25 |
| hardaker | bummer.... libao failed to port (or the application using it failed to). Since it's throwing a runtime error that won't be fun. | 02:26 |
| phreck- | i know. comes with the territory though | 02:26 |
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| crashanddie | runs fine for two days here | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | arachnist: worst thing for bat is complete drain | 02:26 |
| phreck- | mine ran for a day with normal use | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mine too | 02:27 |
| phreck- | some fone, some pics, lil web | 02:27 |
| arachnist | well | 02:27 |
| arachnist | i always have a gprs/3g/wlan connection active | 02:27 |
| phreck- | same | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | me too | 02:27 |
| arachnist | with 2 jabber accounts, skype, sip and 2 other im's on | 02:28 |
| arachnist | and email check every 30 minutes | 02:28 |
| ShadowJK | arachnist: liion doesn't care much about the number of times you charge tit | 02:29 |
| ShadowJK | it* | 02:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | deep dischare really hurts | 02:30 |
| ShadowJK | heat, and sitting empty in a drawer accelerate aging though | 02:30 |
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| arachnist | well, battery in my thinkpad x300 seems to have lower life than it originally had | 02:31 |
| ShadowJK | yes, of course | 02:31 |
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| ShadowJK | laptops are hot :) | 02:31 |
| arachnist | mine doesn't get very hot | 02:31 |
| Venomrush | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/irssi/0.8.14-1/ | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and actually keeping bat at 100% charge is also bad | 02:32 |
| Venomrush | IRSSI just got promoted to extras-testing | 02:32 |
| Venomrush | :) | 02:32 |
| arachnist | unless i leave it on the bed and start compiling something | 02:32 |
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| chris231989_ | anybody else having problems with the windows flasher ? | 02:33 |
| arachnist | irssi on the N900 is usable with swap-ng.pl script | 02:33 |
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| chris231989_ | i'm getting a "set your time" error | 02:33 |
| hashier | arachnist: what does this script do? | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | windows? whats that? | 02:33 |
| hashier | DocScrutinizer51: something that runs in virtualbox | 02:33 |
| chris231989_ | it's that silly os i haveto use @work | 02:33 |
| arachnist | hashier: you can switch windows with /[number] | 02:33 |
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| jebbajeb | uh, oh. Booting up my fone just shows 5 dots. | 02:33 |
| arachnist | hashier: so you can just turn the fn lock on and press / and numbers | 02:34 |
| phreck- | lol | 02:34 |
| ShadowJK | "At a 100% charge level, a typical Li-ion laptop battery that is full most of the time at 25 °C or 77 °F will irreversibly lose approximately 20% capacity per year. However, a battery in a poorly ventilated laptop may be subject to a prolonged exposure to much higher temperatures, which will significantly shorten its life." | 02:34 |
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| hashier | arachnist: i mostly use A-a | 02:34 |
| ShadowJK | "Different storage temperatures produce different loss results: 6% loss at 0 °C (32 °F), 20% at 25 °C (77 °F), and 35% at 40 °C (104 °F). When stored at 40%–60% charge level, the capacity loss is reduced to 2%, 4%, 15% at 0, 25 and 40 degrees Celsius respectively." | 02:35 |
| hashier | arachnist: but you're right, that's a nice feature for irssi on n900 | 02:35 |
| jebbajeb | does it mean anything if it shows 5 dots and the second one is more "lit" than the others? doesnt appear to be doing anything. Orange LED pulsating. | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | shadowjk: good quote. to the point | 02:35 |
| arachnist | http://arachnist.doesntexist.org/swap-ng.pl | 02:36 |
| arachnist | if anyone's interested | 02:36 |
| jebbajeb | holding down power button does nothing. Suppose I should yank battery (?) My / was at 100%, which is likely related (though root probably still had some space to work with) | 02:36 |
| hashier | arachnist: th | 02:36 |
| hashier | arachnist: thx* | 02:36 |
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| jebbajeb | woe | 02:37 |
| jebbajeb | shard. Yanking battery and reboot looks like hanging in same spot :( | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jebb)eb: 100 means 100 | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | try cleanup / | 02:39 |
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| jebbajeb | DocScrutinizer51: uh ya, but can't boot up... | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | root no space left kills every box | 02:40 |
| ShadowJK | isn't 100% / the guaranteed no-boot method? | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sorry, no idea - except reflash | 02:40 |
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| jebbajeb | no way to get to the filesystem by mounting it as USB device connected to my laptop is there? Like if it was just a USB drive? | 02:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | dunno if that works | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | note to myself: install a minimal recue system on separate partitopn. and bootmenu | 02:44 |
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| Arkenoi | Just submitted two bugs: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6531 and https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6529 , would you vote for it, and if not, why? ;-) | 02:45 |
| povbot` | Bug 6531: Extended IM contact info is not fully fetched | 02:45 |
| povbot` | Bug 6529: Contact pictures are not persistent (or just not always) | 02:45 |
| kalikiana | jebbajeb, the problem is, you can't mount it in two places. and you need it to run the system from it | 02:46 |
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| kalikiana | I wonder about suggesting .links files in the wiki as an alternative to maemo-optify. | 02:48 |
| kalikiana | For me maemo-optify failed in weird errors, then I created .links files and it worked just fine | 02:48 |
| ShadowJK | .links? huh? | 02:48 |
| kalikiana | .links is a list of symbolic links, similar to .install files | 02:48 |
| jebbajeb | kalikiana: i'm takign a glance at this: https://wiki.maemo.org/Troubleshooting_boot_issues | 02:49 |
| jebbajeb | kalikiana: so is flashing the only way out? | 02:49 |
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| kalikiana | jebbajeb, That assumes you didn't actually boot the device fully, so that might work | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if there's no way to crank up an aux system. then prolly yes | 02:51 |
| kalikiana | jebbajeb, I was just saying you can't mount it while it's running. | 02:52 |
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| jebbajeb | kalikiana: ya, i can't get it to boot. Likely because of 100% full / but maybe other issue. Just dont know how to get out of that short of reflashing, which of course i dont really want to do,. | 02:55 |
| Sargun_Screen | Exchange is broken on my device :-( meep. | 02:56 |
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| Sargun_Screen | Anyone here have a tmobile contract that they would be willing to add a line to | 02:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sargun_Screen: US? | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Just noticed that tmobile-uk is doing a silly pay-as-you-go SIM - 20 quid for 6 months of internet - 1G/mo fair use | 02:59 |
| Sargun_Screen | SpeedEvil: US. | 02:59 |
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| Sargun_Screen | Tmobile-US broke data a few months ago apparently. | 02:59 |
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| jebbajeb | what is "eMMC content 1.2009.41-1" for the flash? | 03:08 |
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| kalikiana | jebbajeb, that's the default contents of the internal memory | 03:11 |
| kalikiana | ie. /home/user/MyDocs | 03:11 |
| dmj7261 | are there any issues with opengl in scratchbox? | 03:11 |
| jebbajeb | woah bash: ./flasher-3.5: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: bad ELF interpreter: No such file or directory | 03:13 |
| jebbajeb | is the flasher closed source? I'm on 64bit fedora 12... | 03:14 |
| kalikiana | there was a 64bit version at some point but it doesn't work with the n900 iirc | 03:16 |
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| kalikiana | jebbajeb, just install a few 32bit libs, it won't hurt that much :-) | 03:16 |
| jebbajeb | ah, free flasher. http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/ But not sure if it works on n900 | 03:16 |
| kalikiana | woot | 03:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | jebbajeb, eMMC you don't need | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | 0xFFFF has not been updated for the N900 yet. | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | speedevil@still 25€ here for 5GB *prepaid* | 03:18 |
| kalikiana | jebbajeb, let's throw a dice who tries it first? :-D | 03:18 |
| kalikiana | i'd guess it would just fail to do anything in the worst case, though | 03:18 |
| kalikiana | I've used old flashers with the n900 which are incompatible before | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | headset is decent quality but kinda uncomfortable :-/ | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | generalantilles: WAahat r u talking of, great master? | 03:21 |
| jebbajeb | i'm trying it now and i'm not getting nothing yet | 03:21 |
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| jebbajeb | http://www.mail-archive.com/0xffff@lists.nopcode.org/msg00072.html probably need a fresh build | 03:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | darn, xchat won't open URL om clisk by default :-((( | 03:25 |
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| dmj7261 | ali1234: you have experience with gles on maemo, right? | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sorry, s/om/on/ s/clisk/click/ | 03:26 |
| fnordianslip | DocScrutinizer: think "right click" should offer it | 03:26 |
| Arkenoi | Is there really Nokia Messaging support in n900 or just generic imap polling interface (no push)? | 03:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | arkenoi: you can ask questions | 03:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | wtf is mnokia msgng support? do i w"t it? need it? | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | want | 03:29 |
| dmj7261 | yes ali1234 is doing the ogre port | 03:29 |
| ManuelSE | ovi providess it arkenoi | 03:29 |
| Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, nokia proprietary push email, it is there for symian and said there is n900 version also | 03:29 |
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| ManuelSE | imap polling is not supported for power reasons | 03:30 |
| Arkenoi | ManuelSE, how do i set it up? There is "nokia messaging" email type, but it is just generic imap | 03:30 |
| Arkenoi | ManuelSE, hmm. why is it more power consuming than staying online with IM? | 03:30 |
| ManuelSE | i do not have a documentation url fpor you | 03:30 |
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| ManuelSE | online with im would consume more | 03:31 |
| Arkenoi | and i am always online with im anyways | 03:31 |
| ManuelSE | but online with im is maybe 12 hours, and idle with ovi push is 90 hours | 03:31 |
| Arkenoi | so i guess i could just enable IDLE and be happy | 03:31 |
| ManuelSE | get it? | 03:31 |
| ManuelSE | get it? | 03:31 |
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| Arkenoi | hmm, so there *is* ovi push support? | 03:32 |
| jebbajeb | ok. i built a rpm of 0xFFFF for fedora 12 based on latest hg code.... | 03:32 |
| jebbajeb | kalikiana. Not sure what distro you run.,... | 03:32 |
| Arkenoi | (though i get ~20 hours of IM online. not as good as 40 hours i got with symbian but still something i can live with) | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what,s 0xFFFF? | 03:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | excwpt 65535 | 03:33 |
| fnordianslip | was just gonna type that | 03:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | that,s why I did | 03:34 |
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| Arkenoi | it was unwise to disable imap idle for good if it was the only reason. i thought "power consumption" problems mentioned before were much more severe | 03:35 |
| kalikiana | jebbajeb, archlinux, so no rpm for me. but thanks for the offer | 03:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Arkenoi, Symbian doesn't have the hardware Maemo has. | 03:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer51, open source flasher. | 03:36 |
| kalikiana | the repository is horribly slow, my goodness | 03:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | genealantilles: huh? | 03:38 |
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| jebbajeb | DocScrutinizer51: supposedly a free software flasher for maemo, but not sure if it works with n900. http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/?p=home | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | thanks | 03:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | generalantilles: thought thats a vcommand to me ;-) | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dunno how to open "source flasher" :-P | 03:41 |
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| jebbajeb | damn. gotta take boy to bed. To late. Will work on flashing mañana. Goodnight doc, kali, all...... | 03:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | night fella | 03:43 |
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| dmj7261 | javis: I'm trying to port an app and it seems to be failing because it can't find opengl. Any ideas? | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well, 150min of screen bl, umts irc, plus mp3 playback: looks like 25percent off the bat | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | rather decent, huh? | 03:52 |
| kalikiana | dmj7261, elaborate "can't find" | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas handover umts->wlan is a real pita for IRC. not N900 fault... | 03:53 |
| dmj7261 | /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/4.2.1/../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL | 03:53 |
| dmj7261 | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so soon this imncarnation will face anoter 20min downtime | 03:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | presumably | 03:54 |
| derf | dmj7261: What does ls -l /usr/lib/libGL* say? | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | no problem though, and mp3 continues on Sisters Of Mercy ;-) | 03:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ah, what isn't there to love about the public school system in the US? | 03:56 |
| dmj7261 | -rw-r--r-- 1 david 1000 343396 Oct 29 06:18 /usr/lib/libGLESv2.so | 03:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hQEEZ1hg7uNolSi46p83k1GIVXJQD9CBAQ901 | 03:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rewarding incompetence is always productive. | 03:56 |
| derf | dmj7261: If that's all it says, you're missing some files. | 03:56 |
| derf | Like, say, /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.5.070100 | 03:57 |
| ManuelSE | that is not a joke, generalantilles? | 03:57 |
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| ManuelSE | i would like to earn 1 million to uninstall seti | 03:58 |
| dmj7261 | apparently that SETI thing is very badly reported. | 03:58 |
| derf | It should come from libgl1 | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: any idea if we'll see tab nick completion and no segfault for prefs on xchat ? | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | anytime soon? | 03:58 |
| ManuelSE | how do these people spend so much tax money? is that not a crime? | 03:58 |
| dmj7261 | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091201/0027357144.shtml | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, talk to qwerty12 | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | ManuelSE, because they work for the government. | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | ManuelSE, like I said, the government rewards incompetence and waste. | 03:59 |
| dmj7261 | derf: installed libgl1 and it still has the same issue | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol, not a single nick starting with "q" atm | 04:00 |
| ManuelSE | hmm. in germany this is called untreue / unfaithfulness and is sometimes prosecuted | 04:01 |
| derf | Are those files there? | 04:01 |
| dmj7261 | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/Horde3D] > ls -l /usr/lib/libGL* | 04:02 |
| dmj7261 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 david 1000 19 Dec 2 20:00 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.5.070100 | 04:02 |
| dmj7261 | -rw-r--r-- 1 david 1000 2387508 Nov 13 2008 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.5.070100 | 04:02 |
| dmj7261 | -rw-r--r-- 1 david 1000 343396 Oct 29 06:18 /usr/lib/libGLESv2.so | 04:02 |
| dmj7261 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 david 1000 20 Dec 2 20:00 /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1 -> libGLU.so.1.3.070100 | 04:02 |
| dmj7261 | -rw-r--r-- 1 david 1000 458552 Nov 13 2008 /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1.3.070100 | 04:02 |
| ManuelSE | if this is in your area gan, you can advertise "seti removal" to them for 1000 dollars | 04:02 |
| ManuelSE | and prove their waste | 04:02 |
| derf | Run ldconfig? | 04:02 |
| derf | Though presumably it would have done that for you when installing the library. | 04:03 |
| luke-jr | ManuelSE: in the US, they just approved tax money going to murder children. go figure. | 04:03 |
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| luke-jr | actually, not "just", but more | 04:04 |
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| dmj7261 | ran ldconfig...nothing | 04:05 |
| derf | Well, I fixed one of your problems. | 04:05 |
| derf | No idea what's wrong with it now. | 04:05 |
| dmj7261 | yeah | 04:06 |
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| dmj7261 | http://pastebin.com/mec94148 | 04:07 |
| dmj7261 | there's the cmake output | 04:08 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: what's the fastest your rebel can shoot? | 04:08 |
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| ManuelSE | what is fastest way to get libs and console packages into extras? | 04:11 |
| ManuelSE | e.g. irssi | 04:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, um, the buffer maxes at 9 frames in RAW and it shoots about 3 fps. | 04:11 |
| ManuelSE | things that just build | 04:11 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: I meant shutter speed | 04:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, I think the newer Rebels are a bit faster. | 04:11 |
| kalikiana | ManuelSE, upload them, promote them and find 10 irssi users | 04:11 |
| crashanddie | 1/2000? | 04:11 |
| crashanddie | 1/4000? | 04:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, um, 1/4000? | 04:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think | 04:11 |
| ManuelSE | can i click somewhere in app manager to vote up applications? | 04:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, 1/4000 | 04:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | ManuelSE, unfortunately, no. | 04:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Patches welcome. | 04:12 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: and your f-number? | 04:13 |
| luke-jr | is 'u' a number? | 04:13 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: micro | 04:13 |
| kalikiana | ManuelSE, there is an app for that but it's a bit of extra work to install and configure it | 04:13 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: you should try lowering your f-number and speeding up your shutter speed, you'd get a better shallow depth of field | 04:14 |
| ManuelSE | can we add login/voting to app manager? | 04:14 |
| ManuelSE | or voting widget? | 04:14 |
| ManuelSE | i think maemo.org has a password problem | 04:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, what picture are we referring to? | 04:15 |
| ManuelSE | what is the name of this app please, kalikiana? | 04:15 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: in general | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, crappy EF-S lenses. | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't have a ton of wiggle room on the aperture. | 04:15 |
| crashanddie | what's the aperture range? | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | f/4.0-5.6 on the 55-250mm | 04:15 |
| crashanddie | well, that's a lot better than the 8+ I saw on a few pictures :) | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, give me something specific and I can probably tell you why. | 04:16 |
| kalikiana | ManuelSE, packagerate | 04:17 |
| dmj7261 | this is in scratchbox by the way | 04:17 |
| ManuelSE | try panasonic lumix dmc-tz7 with leica DC vario-elmar 1:3.3-4.9 / 4.1-49.2 ASPH. | 04:17 |
| kalikiana | it looks a bit horrible :-] | 04:17 |
| crashanddie | http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/2790463079/meta/in/set-72157606929753463 | 04:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Although some of the earlier stuff was just incompetence. | 04:17 |
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| crashanddie | http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/2787794309/meta/in/set-72157606929753463 | 04:18 |
| crashanddie | (even though the panning on that one is pretty good!) | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that CA trip was my first run with the camera | 04:18 |
| crashanddie | ok | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was on semi-manual most of the time. | 04:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, I took about 100 others to get that one of the Civic. | 04:18 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: though, I talk a lot, but only have a (very good) P&S | 04:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, I really need to get some real lenses. | 04:20 |
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| chris231989 | i just had to set my date 2 years in the future to get an old n770 to flash with the windows flasher(tryed 4 differnt machines) and a ubuntu 9.10 box | 04:25 |
| chris231989 | anybody else have that happen? | 04:26 |
| ManuelSE | kalikiana, is packagerate window supposed to close and exit after pressing "Upload", and entering username/password? | 04:29 |
| ManuelSE | username / pw is same as ta!k.maemo.org? | 04:29 |
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| jaem | so... this referendum | 04:36 |
| jaem | what is the purpose of it? | 04:36 |
| * SpeedEvil is confused, and assumed it was spam. | 04:37 | |
| jaem | SpeedEvil, it's not | 04:37 |
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| dmj7261 | derf: perhaps it is missing -dev packages? | 04:50 |
| luke-jr | it's definately missing pizza | 04:51 |
| derf | dmj7261: That might affect compilation, it shouldn't affect linking. | 04:51 |
| dmj7261 | luke-jr: I was referring to my gl prob | 04:51 |
| derf | dmj7261: Ignore luke-jr. He's a troll. | 04:52 |
| dmj7261 | hrm...this is frustrating | 04:52 |
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| jaem | dmj7261, what's your issue? | 04:55 |
| dmj7261 | /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/4.2.1/../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL | 04:55 |
| jaem | what are you trying to build? | 04:56 |
| dmj7261 | horde3d | 04:56 |
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| jaem | hmm... 'fraid I'm not much help with that | 04:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | any suggestion how an arbitrary app should notify user (via cmdline call) by playing a tune and activating vibrator shortly? | 05:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | play-sound foo.wav && dbus-send foo.vib foo/vib activate 100 30 ?? | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | help much appreciated | 05:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | btw: how would I keep AVconnector video output active while minimizing power consumption for LCM and it's backlite? | 05:08 |
| b-man17 | http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3544/3339115971_b6d8ac81b3.jpg lol | 05:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | i.e. bug or flaw or enhancement? :: keep AVconnector video output alive while dimming/suspending LCD. Make that a config option | 05:13 |
| * Arkenoi wonders why phone manufacturers claim that GSM/WCDMA battery consumption (according to talk/standby time) differs about 5-10% while actually the difference is at least twice | 05:15 | |
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| Flandry | vs what? cdma? | 05:16 |
| ShadowJK | gsm vs wcdma | 05:17 |
| ShadowJK | Arkenoi, it depends on the use | 05:17 |
| Flandry | yeah i notice that's swept under the carpet | 05:17 |
| ShadowJK | It also depends on the network | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and largely on chipset | 05:18 |
| ShadowJK | mine is bad for 3G and always-on type use | 05:18 |
| Flandry | is it just because GSM is underdeveloped here? | 05:18 |
| Flandry | or is there a technical reason? | 05:18 |
| ShadowJK | I think it was ukki or konttori who mentioned that the 3G radio has to stay active for, was it 5 seconds after each transmission on my network | 05:18 |
| ShadowJK | So when I had xchat open yesterday on 3g, and lots of channels, the 3g radio never went to sleep, and half the battery went in 2 hours | 05:19 |
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| ShadowJK | switched to 2g, and the rate of drain was reduced /alot/ | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's actually even much more complex | 05:19 |
| ShadowJK | more than factor of two | 05:19 |
| ShadowJK | i figured | 05:19 |
| SpeedEvil | range to tower comes in | 05:20 |
| ShadowJK | You know what's annoying? dynamic ip. Why? You're on 3G, and get the IP of someone who was running edonkey previously. The UDP queries from other clients never stop... | 05:21 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, this was about 500 metres from tower :-) | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | starts with cdma vs time multiplex | 05:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | shadowjk: yup, nasty 80 heritage sucks | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | oops IP heritage | 05:23 |
| ShadowJK | typing on device? :) | 05:23 |
| * ShadowJK mixes up Fn and shift all the time.. | 05:23 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sure | 05:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | shadowjk: the real pita is tcpstack will crank up UMTS tx each time an unsolicited package comes in, just to send a NACK or whatever | 05:31 |
| ShadowJK | that can be fixed with iptables | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yup, *can* | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not sure if UMTS is aware of this though ;-) | 05:33 |
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| AakashN900 | hey everyone | 05:36 |
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| AakashN900 | is there a way to get facebook chat on the conversations app? | 05:36 |
| ManuelSE | is facebook chat api public? | 05:39 |
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| AakashN900 | idk, pidgin and other desktop apps have it | 05:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | damn, N810 unsolicited reboot once again. I *really* rally hope this shit's been fixed with maemo5 | 05:42 |
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| RXrenesis8 | mab aecgm gleay.o ogjt [{[ | 05:44 |
| AakashN900 | ? | 05:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I actually wonder how the assumed cause of excessive file system operations can cause the watchdog to trigger | 05:45 |
| Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, haven't ever experienced unsolicited reboot on n900 at all | 05:45 |
| SpeedEvil | me neither | 05:45 |
| Flandry | "unsolicited" lol | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | on N900. well mine is 3d age | 05:46 |
| Arkenoi | it is amazingly stable | 05:46 |
| Arkenoi | actually never seen a mobile OS being *that* stable | 05:46 |
| Arkenoi | i mean real OS, not PalmOS and stuff | 05:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | on N810 though I've seen this since a year now | 05:47 |
| RXrenesis8 | oy, adium changed my keyboard layout to dvorak! | 05:47 |
| RXrenesis8 | and then crashed 10-15 times | 05:47 |
| Flandry | what did? | 05:47 |
| Flandry | i use dvorak :) | 05:48 |
| RXrenesis8 | It's going to crash again if I do anything to this nickserv popup... | 05:49 |
| * RXrenesis8 clicks it | 05:49 | |
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| AakashN900 | no facebook chat? lol | 05:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | whats facebook? | 05:50 |
| Flandry | oO | 05:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | prolly sth I don't like | 05:50 |
| clmntch | has anybody tried to add "washington dc" in omweather? | 05:51 |
| derf | clmntch: It works fine on the N8x0. | 05:51 |
| clmntch | hrm | 05:52 |
| clmntch | i get a segfault | 05:52 |
| AakashN900 | doc | 05:52 |
| clmntch | yeah | 05:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I wonder if and when linux will learn to recognize charger attached during boot | 05:52 |
| clmntch | i was thinking that i was just special | 05:52 |
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| clmntch | actually, it only bugs out when i have the widget on the desktop | 05:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | this really wears the charger receptacle and plug. esp on those unsol reboots of maemo4.1 | 05:54 |
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| Macer | i'm watching a movie called the grey zone | 05:59 |
| Macer | wow | 05:59 |
| Macer | what a messed up movie | 05:59 |
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| asidjazz | flash _successful_ | 06:10 |
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| jebbajeb | asidjazz: that's what i'm just getting ready to do. | 06:15 |
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| Flandry | jeremiah: Perhaps the reason the promotion page reload hadn't finished, even though the app is now in extras, was because it was working on putting it in downloads. I don't know if it's all part of the same script or not, but in any case it still hasn't showed up on downloads. | 06:20 |
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| jebbajeb | cool, looks like unbricking was successful. Though when i select America Latina for time zones on initial setup, it doesn't give me a GMT acceptable for me.... It only gives places in mexico | 06:26 |
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| Flandry | i thought the USA was the only place that saw Latin America that way | 06:38 |
| jebbajeb | 0xFFFFF dumps core on me with "buffer overflow detected" | 06:39 |
| jebbajeb | apparently in Finland too ;) | 06:39 |
| DangerMaus | jebbajeb, you bricked it again? how many is that now? | 06:40 |
| jebbajeb | just bricked once ;) reflashed it ok though. Trying to flash with 0xFFFFF, but it won't go. | 06:44 |
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| DangerMaus | i had a weird one earlier i fumbled the powerswitch while turning it on pushed it twice on boot up and it wad a dead set till i pulled the battery | 06:45 |
| Klowner | enjoying yours so far DangerMaus ? | 06:45 |
| DangerMaus | totaly | 06:46 |
| DangerMaus | it did that bit scarry | 06:46 |
| DangerMaus | but can deal with it | 06:46 |
| DangerMaus | went to the store Klowner and no sooner did i park than it locked on an open wifi | 06:47 |
| Klowner | sweet :( | 06:48 |
| Klowner | sent mine back | 06:48 |
| DangerMaus | i dont have a plan yet still trying to decide between the 2 | 06:48 |
| DangerMaus | aww w you not even gonna play with it? and try to brick it a fe times? | 06:49 |
| DangerMaus | but att's map is screwie | 06:49 |
| DangerMaus | i want to go tmo | 06:49 |
| DangerMaus | though | 06:49 |
| Klowner | I don't think they're cross shipping | 06:49 |
| DangerMaus | what you read it again?? | 06:50 |
| Klowner | 06:51 | |
| Klowner | err | 06:51 |
| DangerMaus | ahh | 06:51 |
| Klowner | woman on phone made it sound like cross | 06:51 |
| Klowner | email totally didn't | 06:51 |
| DangerMaus | haha picked up a junker phone for where i wont take the 900 and turned it on and it spoke spanish to me | 06:52 |
| DangerMaus | #$%^&*( | 06:52 |
| DangerMaus | when i have sent hardware back to other co's they give me a week to send back or charge my card for it | 06:53 |
| DangerMaus | till the get it back | 06:54 |
| Klowner | yeah | 06:54 |
| Klowner | I sent it just to be sure | 06:54 |
| Klowner | since they don't reply to emails.. | 06:54 |
| DangerMaus | ha | 06:54 |
| DangerMaus | and your not doing the 3h call thing again i take it | 06:54 |
| Klowner | maybe tomorrow | 06:55 |
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| Klowner | though I had trouble understanding them on the phone | 07:00 |
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| DangerMaus | hehe the'll send it dumb post | 07:03 |
| Klowner | my return was fedex ground | 07:04 |
| DangerMaus | ok router firmware | 07:04 |
| Klowner | so, I'll be right pissed if they're waiting for it | 07:04 |
| DangerMaus | lol | 07:04 |
| DangerMaus | to indy? or NY | 07:04 |
| Klowner | indy | 07:05 |
| Klowner | oh, estimated delivery for tomorrow | 07:06 |
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| DangerMaus | kool koool hope you dont gotta be anywhere tomarrow Klowner | 07:15 |
| Klowner | I mean my busted one will be in indy tomorrow | 07:16 |
| DangerMaus | gotta flash rents new router the the one there on now dose random reboots and looses its connx to the modem | 07:17 |
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| DangerMaus | ahh | 07:17 |
| DangerMaus | thought they sent ou a track # for the new one | 07:17 |
| Klowner | no, that's what I thought it was at first but then noticed that was the number on the shipping label they emailed me to attach to the box for return | 07:18 |
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| DangerMaus | bloody hell found the wiki page but not the firmware page | 07:22 |
| DangerMaus | gotta love it | 07:23 |
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| DangerMaus | Klowner, so my buddy says he cant possably spend that kinda money on a phone... he'd have to buy a puter ... i reply thats exactly what it did only it fits in my pocket and dials out too | 07:26 |
| Klowner | that was my rationalization | 07:26 |
| Klowner | it's like a tiny tiny netbook | 07:27 |
| Klowner | and my blackberry pisses me off too | 07:27 |
| johnxx | I can't see myself buying a netbook | 07:27 |
| johnxx | my devices either need to be 1) damn close to pocketable or 2) fast | 07:29 |
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| rashed2020 | Netbooks are God's punishment to laptop manufacturer's for being dicks. | 07:31 |
| DangerMaus | im on a netbook atm | 07:32 |
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| rashed2020 | Why? | 07:33 |
| simula_ | i thought a netbook would do it for me... but it just isn't as portable and hence actually something i'll use as my n900 | 07:33 |
| DangerMaus | and it makes the 13" lapppie at my feeet look giant | 07:33 |
| rashed2020 | Acer's 3810T is perfect if you're looking for something small. | 07:33 |
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| simula_ | once i get my dev environment installed onto my n900 it will be perfect :) | 07:34 |
| johnxx | I actually have a netbook from work for a project I'm working on, but it's just totally unusably slow, and I can't deal with the 1024x600 screen | 07:34 |
| DangerMaus | i was going fot battery so im on a 1005ha-p | 07:34 |
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| simula_ | i grew up with vga, so 800x480 is awesome | 07:34 |
| DangerMaus | and it it bounces round my truck offroading not a big loss | 07:34 |
| johnxx | I have the attention of a hamster on speed, so I tend to multitask pretty heavily. 1024x600 means one app visible at a time, and that's kind of a deal breaker. Also, the thought of running big compiles and/or qemu on an N270 makes me cringe | 07:35 |
| rrr__ | i run blender on my netbook :p | 07:36 |
| johnxx | and some people like hot wax being melted on them :) | 07:37 |
| Klowner | and ball hooks | 07:37 |
| DangerMaus | :eek: | 07:39 |
| simula_ | luckily i'm just programming... typing is pretty low cpu utilization | 07:39 |
| DangerMaus | ok off to the feedbag for a bit then maybe i can find the actual dd-wrt dl page not the matrix | 07:40 |
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| ManuelSE | this sucks, n900 slowing down | 07:56 |
| simula_ | do you have multiple apps open at the same time? | 07:56 |
| ManuelSE | this sucks, n900 slowing down | 07:56 |
| ManuelSE | fourteen | 07:56 |
| ManuelSE | :) | 07:56 |
| simula_ | heh | 07:56 |
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| ManuelSE | i actually see people complain like that | 07:57 |
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| ManuelSE | very exciting productt | 07:57 |
| simula_ | it's my little portable computer... i'm lovin it | 07:57 |
| DangerMaus | lol lojust had a cant preform that running out of memory yellow bar .... webcam was on forgot about it | 07:57 |
| ManuelSE | transforms your day also? | 07:57 |
| ManuelSE | i have to delete more videos | 07:58 |
| simula_ | it gives me something to do when i'd just be wasting time sitting around | 07:58 |
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| ManuelSE | ctrl-bksp is my favorite sjortcut | 07:59 |
| simula_ | what does that do? | 07:59 |
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| johnxx | it's "show all windows" | 08:00 |
| simula_ | ahh, thanks | 08:01 |
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| grass | hello? | 08:03 |
| simula_ | hey | 08:03 |
| timeless_mbp | hi | 08:03 |
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| * timeless_mbp looks for people to check a map | 08:04 | |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/clock/corrected.html | 08:04 |
| grass | hi everybody, I'm new to Maemo and I want to develop some apps using SMS | 08:04 |
| grass | Anybody could give me a direction? | 08:04 |
| grass | I'd like to use Qt only | 08:04 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd like to use an unsupported powertool | 08:05 |
| * timeless_mbp looks for a mishaped drill | 08:05 | |
| simula_ | grass... one sec, i'll get you a link | 08:05 |
| grass | great, thanks! | 08:05 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry, i've been up all night moving points around | 08:05 |
| Klowner | I'd like to use a swarthy sea lion | 08:05 |
| simula_ | hey grass... here is for developing for maemo on another dev box: | 08:06 |
| simula_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4_Hildon#Using_the_Qt_4.6_tech_preview_in_Fremantle | 08:06 |
| simula_ | i'm working on getting the qt sdk built from source directly on the n900 itself :) | 08:06 |
| grass | thanks, simula_! | 08:07 |
| simula_ | np, good luck grass | 08:07 |
| grass | I just setup my vmware player | 08:07 |
| grass | did you use the prebuilt image? | 08:07 |
| grass | Do I need to install Qt even if I | 08:07 |
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| grass | m running the prebuilt image? | 08:08 |
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| simula_ | hey grass... that link should have everything you need | 08:08 |
| ManuelSE | wow timeless nice | 08:08 |
| ManuelSE | nice panning | 08:08 |
| timeless_mbp | ManuelSE: which? | 08:08 |
| simula_ | me personally... i'm holding out until i can set up my n900 as my maemo dev environment itself | 08:08 |
| grass | sure, I'm reading it... | 08:08 |
| ManuelSE | that giant map | 08:08 |
| timeless_mbp | the map was redone by sp3000 using map drifts that i calculated | 08:09 |
| timeless_mbp | and then i moved the data around | 08:09 |
| andre__ | grass, maybe also see the links in the thread here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=365158 | 08:09 |
| grass | thanks andre_!!! | 08:09 |
| grass | where can I find the SMS programming part of Qt? | 08:10 |
| grass | couldn't find it in the developer's guide | 08:10 |
| wazd | mornin' all | 08:10 |
| simula_ | grass... there is a new mobility section of the sdk... let me see if i can find it | 08:10 |
| grass | that'll be very helpful! | 08:11 |
| sulx | grass: there aint no SMS library in qt... | 08:12 |
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| ManuelSE | timeless is that one large jpg? | 08:13 |
| Klowner | I think the phone operations are handled via dbus or something like that, but I don't know anything | 08:13 |
| grass | sulx: really? Then I have to use the GTK+ way? | 08:13 |
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| simula_ | hey grass... this is the closest i could get... it is a work in progress, but there is source: | 08:14 |
| simula_ | http://qt.nokia.com/developer/new-qt-apis?currentflipperobject=c7fcf92f7505aeb6bbe2e48df7106b31 | 08:14 |
| timeless_mbp | ManuelSE: sure... | 08:14 |
| timeless_mbp | well, for some definition of large | 08:14 |
| timeless_mbp | it's 1500px wide by 919px tall | 08:14 |
| timeless_mbp | it's the same dimensions as the one used by the clock app | 08:14 |
| timeless_mbp | the big difference is that it isn't anywhere near as messed up! | 08:14 |
| grass | Thank you very much simula_!! | 08:14 |
| simula_ | np sir | 08:14 |
| sulx | simula_: ah didn't even know such thing existed | 08:15 |
| sulx | nice | 08:15 |
| simula_ | yeah... the trolls are coming out with a whole buncha stuff nows adays :) | 08:16 |
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| grass | sulx and simula_: it seems Maemo doesn't support messaging for now...:( | 08:17 |
| grass | I meant maemo5 | 08:18 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, if a couple of people could possibly download wdb.new and the latest map and try it w/ their clock, that'd be appreciated | 08:18 |
| timeless_mbp | my initial testing shows that the data is much better than the n900 sales clock | 08:18 |
| timeless_mbp | but... real eyeballs are appreciated | 08:18 |
| DangerMaus | hehehe the nokia one had a city in canada rite next to chicago | 08:19 |
| timeless_mbp | DangerMaus: hrm... | 08:19 |
| timeless_mbp | you're looking at n900.html? | 08:19 |
| grass | simula_: N900 uses maemo5, isn't it? | 08:19 |
| DangerMaus | no | 08:20 |
| simula_ | grass... yulps | 08:20 |
| DangerMaus | just when i was setting up the clocks i kept getting that canuk city | 08:20 |
| grass | simula_: I saw that the messaging box is grey for maemo5 here: http://qt.nokia.com/doc/qtmobility-1.0-tp/index.html#platform-compatability | 08:21 |
| timeless_mbp | DangerMaus: hrm, could you please download wdb.new and map-new.jpg? | 08:21 |
| grass | simula_: which means it's being developed right not | 08:21 |
| timeless_mbp | i'll walk you through setting them up, because i really need to know if it works for you | 08:21 |
| grass | now | 08:21 |
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| DangerMaus | where timeless | 08:21 |
| DangerMaus | where timeless_mbp | 08:22 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/clock/wdb.new | 08:22 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/clock/map-new.jpg | 08:22 |
| timeless_mbp | save those two files to your n900 (preferably in the top level folder as visible from file manager) | 08:22 |
| DangerMaus | gah | 08:23 |
| DangerMaus | ummm cable | 08:23 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 08:23 |
| timeless_mbp | use the web browser on the n900 | 08:23 |
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| DangerMaus | under lunch i think it is | 08:23 |
| Venomrush | systeminfowidget updated | 08:23 |
| Venomrush | lol | 08:23 |
| DangerMaus | not thinking yet | 08:23 |
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| derf | The Bering Straight still looks wrong, but I suspect no one will care. | 08:25 |
| timeless_mbp | derf: that one's mostly unfixable | 08:26 |
| timeless_mbp | (we know) | 08:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh | 08:26 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000 was supposed to move the island under russia | 08:26 |
| derf | It's not like anyone lives there. | 08:27 |
| timeless_mbp | it's currently on the american side of the map (probably because the "artist" said "hey, it's an american island, i'll stick it with the americas") | 08:27 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, the map is effectively too wide there | 08:27 |
| timeless_mbp | and figuring out how to compress it scares me a lot | 08:27 |
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| DangerMaus | bastage.. timeless_mbp i cant get the ~ to type on the touch kb it just highlights but wwont go on the url line... | 08:28 |
| timeless_mbp | (plus if the width of the image changes from 1500, or the height from 919, the clock app would need a recompile) | 08:28 |
| timeless_mbp | DangerMaus: tap ~, press <space> | 08:28 |
| timeless_mbp | DangerMaus: that row of keys is a row of "dead keys" | 08:28 |
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| DangerMaus | ok got it | 08:28 |
| timeless_mbp | they let you compose things, like [~n], ['e] [:o] [^u] | 08:28 |
| DangerMaus | thats weird | 08:28 |
| derf | Just saying, it would have been nice to have the international date line vaugely correct. | 08:29 |
| rashed2020 | N97 Mini for $480? Ha-Ha, Nokia. | 08:29 |
| timeless_mbp | if you spend time writing italian/german/french, you get used to them | 08:29 |
| cehteh | hehe anyone tried to setup real xcompose | 08:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dangermaus: same tilde issue here with xchat | 08:29 |
| timeless_mbp | derf: if you want to try to recolor the map, you're welcome to give it a shot | 08:29 |
| derf | It's supposed to do a zig down near New Zealand also, but again, no one lives there. It's just open water. | 08:29 |
| timeless_mbp | i think the deadline is ~ +6hrs | 08:29 |
| derf | Nah, I've been up, working, for 20 hours. | 08:30 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 08:30 | |
| timeless_mbp | it's 8:30am, i started working somewhere around perhaps 10am yesterday? | 08:30 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm pretty sure i win | 08:30 |
| timeless_mbp | or lose | 08:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aah ok | 08:30 |
| timeless_mbp | depending on how you play the game | 08:30 |
| timeless_mbp | but seriously, if anyone here wants to try to fix the time zone lines/coloring | 08:31 |
| derf | And NokiaUSA still hasn't shipped the device I orderd 4 days ago, when people who ordered after me have gotten theirs. | 08:31 |
| timeless_mbp | you have roughly 6 hours | 08:31 |
| derf | So I'm not feeling charitable at the moment. | 08:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | derf: i'll throw in some USD via paypal for the effort | 08:31 |
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| derf | Money is the one thing I don't need. | 08:31 |
| johnxx | derf, well I can definitely help you then :) | 08:32 |
| derf | Sleep I do... I've got a lot to get done tomorrow, too. | 08:32 |
| derf | 'Night. | 08:32 |
| timeless_mbp | good night | 08:32 |
| johnxx | 'night derf | 08:32 |
| * timeless_mbp contemplates doing the same | 08:32 | |
| * timeless_mbp pokes DangerMaus , johnxx | 08:32 | |
| * johnxx is poked | 08:33 | |
| timeless_mbp | johnxx: see two urls above, could you download them to an n900? | 08:33 |
| timeless_mbp | i need some people to try using them w/ the clock app to see if they have any complaints | 08:33 |
| johnxx | alright, but keep in mind that I'm about as good at geography as an American ... | 08:33 |
| johnxx | so where do they go? | 08:34 |
| timeless_mbp | can you read a map or use google maps? | 08:34 |
| DangerMaus | derf, that'd be me | 08:34 |
| timeless_mbp | sudo gainroot | 08:34 |
| johnxx | timeless_mbp, I am unable to read | 08:34 |
| timeless_mbp | mv /usr/share/clock/wdb /usr/share/clock/wdb.sales | 08:34 |
| timeless_mbp | cp /home/user/MyDocs/wdb.new /usr/share/clock/wdb | 08:34 |
| DangerMaus | crap didnt get to the gainroot bit yet | 08:35 |
| Venomrush | having problems transferring large number of files over USB | 08:35 |
| Venomrush | ie my music folder | 08:35 |
| Venomrush | 407 items ~1.7GB | 08:36 |
| L0cMini9 | re | 08:36 |
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| Venomrush | kept getting errors when trying to copy the folder | 08:36 |
| * DangerMaus jumps in with both feet | 08:36 | |
| Venomrush | had to copy them all manually.. | 08:36 |
| timeless_mbp | mv /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/clock_worldmap_time_chooser.jpg /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/clock_worldmap_time_chooser.sales.jpg | 08:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | cp /home/user/MyDocs/map-new.jpg /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/clock_worldmap_time_chooser.jpg | 08:36 |
| johnxx | Venomrush, I did too, then I fscked the drive, dunno if that helped | 08:36 |
| timeless_mbp | killall worldclock | 08:36 |
| johnxx | but i haven't had the problem again | 08:36 |
| timeless_mbp | ---- open the clock ---- | 08:37 |
| Venomrush | -.- | 08:37 |
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| Venomrush | how do u mean f*cked up the drive | 08:37 |
| johnxx | man fsck | 08:37 |
| Venomrush | ah | 08:38 |
| johnxx | :) | 08:38 |
| Venomrush | parameters? | 08:38 |
| Venomrush | just 'fsck'? | 08:38 |
| * DangerMaus takes notes | 08:39 | |
| johnxx | plug n900 into linux machine, umount /media/Nokia\ N900 && fsck /dev/<whatever device it is> | 08:39 |
| Venomrush | hmm im using windows | 08:40 |
| johnxx | ah, chkdsk or whatever it is you guys have should be fine | 08:40 |
| johnxx | it is vfat after all | 08:40 |
| cehteh | hehe this plugin functionality and vfat will likely be the first thing i disable when i get the device :P | 08:41 |
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| Macer | is it me or is terminator salvation too much like the future version of the matrix? | 08:42 |
| johnxx | cehteh, the vfat I could believe, but plugging it in for mass file transfers is really nice | 08:42 |
| cehteh | plugging it in should charge the device and maybe build a network connection over usb | 08:42 |
| Macer | the whole machine vs humans thing | 08:42 |
| Macer | even the sounds | 08:42 |
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| cehteh | johnxx: i alas disliked that beacuse one cant hear to music while uploading some more | 08:42 |
| johnxx | that's a good argument against it definitely | 08:43 |
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| cehteh | johnxx: at some point i might consider to write a 'virtual' fat filesystem | 08:43 |
| johnxx | and it ships with the g_ether module, so it should be possible | 08:43 |
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| cehteh | qemu had some code for that | 08:43 |
| cehteh | well i prolly will not work on such, but that would be a nice thing | 08:44 |
| johnx | sshfs would be awesome over g_ether I bet | 08:44 |
| cehteh | sshfs works over wlan too :P | 08:44 |
| Macer | now motorcycle terminators | 08:45 |
| Venomrush | why isn't fsck command supported on n900 itself? | 08:45 |
| Macer | wow these guys think of everything | 08:45 |
| johnx | Venomrush, it might be. you'd have to manually umount the /home/user/MyDocs | 08:45 |
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| cehteh | but having it networked is far more flexible than mounting it as storage device .. someone could even setup a samba there, small samba doesnt cost much resources | 08:45 |
| cehteh | in case of windows (i dont really care lala) | 08:46 |
| johnx | cehteh, it works great over wlan. I use it a lot, but it's nice having 10MB/s+ of transfer rate sometimes :) | 08:46 |
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| johnx | yeah, I stopped caring about smbfs pretty much as soon as I discovered sshfs :) | 08:46 |
| * cehteh even watched DVD in the sleeping room on the laptop over sshfs .. the dvd put in the desktop | 08:47 | |
| cehteh | well sshfs has few issues as any fuse filesystem has | 08:47 |
| cehteh | but generally it works nice | 08:47 |
| johnx | yeah. it's sooo nice to have the networked filesystems be outside of kernelspace though :) | 08:47 |
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| simula_n900 | awww yeah | 08:48 |
| simula_n900 | irssi ftw | 08:48 |
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| cehteh | hehe | 08:49 |
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| cehteh | any news on imap idle? .. some software on the n900 seems realy halfbaked | 08:50 |
| Venomrush | interesting bug http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35772 | 08:50 |
| cehteh | modest is one of this cases .. | 08:50 |
| johnx | cehteh, sooo much better than it used to be :) | 08:50 |
| * cehteh hopes for claws on maemo5 | 08:51 | |
| ManuelSE | imap idle is halfbaked | 08:51 |
| ManuelSE | well no, just a necessary workaround for some situations | 08:51 |
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| johnx | timeless_mbp, I don't see anything *wrong* but I don't know what I'm looking for ... | 08:53 |
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| simula_ | is anyone here on irssi on a nxx? | 08:55 |
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| simula_ | i'm trying to figure out how to switch windows without an alt key | 08:55 |
| johnx | can't you use a / command? also, why not bind alt in your x term? | 08:56 |
| johnx | (to one of those onscreen keys on the toolbar) | 08:57 |
| simula_ | oh sweet... i didn't know i could... i'm gonna figure that out... thanks johnx :) | 08:57 |
| johnx | it's not straightforward, but search t.m.o for the guy who added a '|' to his | 08:58 |
| simula_ | darn hehe | 08:58 |
| Venomrush | how do you copy contact from phone -> SIM? | 08:59 |
| Venomrush | can only see a SIM option which is to view the contacts from the SIM | 08:59 |
| Venomrush | can't see any options to send contacts over to SIM.. | 08:59 |
| simula_n900 | it seems /window works | 08:59 |
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| simula_n900 | irc on my n900. too sweet! | 09:01 |
| DangerMaus | timeless_mbp, cant fig how to save that db page | 09:02 |
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| Nitial | simula_n900: isn't there esc somewhere? use that instead of alt | 09:05 |
| Nitial | soft key maybe | 09:05 |
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| simula_n900 | that works nitial, thanks | 09:06 |
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| DangerMaus | what nitwit left the | off the kb | 09:08 |
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| simula_n900 | there is an extra screen input with pipes, brackets, and other goodies | 09:11 |
| DangerMaus | ok ok got the saving thing back to the old ^s | 09:11 |
| DangerMaus | nowait still saving as a web page | 09:12 |
| DangerMaus | gah | 09:12 |
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| tigert | simula_n900: /alias wg window go | 09:20 |
| tigert | simula_n900: then /wg 89 :) | 09:20 |
| tigert | or ctrl-n/p | 09:20 |
| Corsac | or alt-a | 09:20 |
| Corsac | (i use that a lot) | 09:21 |
| tigert | theres no alt | 09:21 |
| Corsac | ha :) | 09:21 |
| Corsac | (I guess you can remap that, though) | 09:21 |
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| inz | tigert, is there esc? | 09:24 |
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| simula_n900 | there is an escape on the alternate screen input | 09:28 |
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| simula_n900 | oops, i meant on the xterm onscreen buttons | 09:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | DangerMaus: um | 09:33 |
| timeless_mbp | you could use wget :) | 09:33 |
| * timeless_mbp goes to make a debian package | 09:33 | |
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| DangerMaus | timelessman in m realy not thinking today | 09:36 |
| DangerMaus | timeless_mbp, in m realy not thinking today | 09:36 |
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| DangerMaus | timeless_mbp, i got a nice bt kb rite here but just wont stay connected to the 900... | 09:37 |
| DangerMaus | no will me headset | 09:38 |
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| DangerMaus | but ohwell heard bt was a bit bugified | 09:38 |
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| murrayc_ | What's this character election thing? I don't understand the point of it. | 09:47 |
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| Corsac | murrayc_: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=405742&postcount=14 | 09:48 |
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| murrayc_ | Corsac: So they want to know what characters I use most often? | 09:51 |
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| murrayc_ | And they want to ask some hackers? | 09:51 |
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| murrayc_ | Then they'll get a hacker's keyboard. | 09:51 |
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| Corsac | they ask maemo.org population | 09:52 |
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| Corsac | so yeah, mostly geeks I guess | 09:53 |
| Corsac | but we don't know how much that will count in the end, nor if they don't do the same kind of poll elsewhere | 09:53 |
| Corsac | but yeah, they know who they ask for | 09:53 |
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| Corsac | I'm not to worry about having a “hacker's keyboard” tbh | 09:53 |
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| mece | Aahahah! Awesome terminator thread in tmo today :D | 09:58 |
| Macer | i just finished watching teminator salvation | 10:00 |
| Macer | what a stupid movie :) | 10:00 |
| andre__ | tmo is getting more and more useless | 10:00 |
| andre__ | because of stuff like this. | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | mece: i wonder if he's one of the people who had shown his IMEI | 10:01 |
| Macer | isn't the entire web useless? | 10:01 |
| Venomrush | anyone know how to transfer contacts to SIM? | 10:01 |
| Macer | haha | 10:01 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: someone is going to highjack their number! | 10:01 |
| Venomrush | only options i see is to view SIM contacts, and not able to do anything to it | 10:01 |
| Macer | do they have that in their info line? | 10:01 |
| Macer | running motorola krzr imei 238742378973289273 M0DD3D | 10:02 |
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| Macer | l33t | 10:02 |
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| andre__ | murrayc_: character election: http://maemo.org/community/maemo-community/should_we_restart_the_unicode_voting/ | 10:02 |
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| Stskeeps | mece: i can't imagine how anyone is surprised their N900 is self-aware, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxiOKKF721U | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:03 |
| amit_usual | hi , can I know how I can add to gpe contacts | 10:03 |
| Venomrush | andre__: how to transfer contacts to SIM? | 10:03 |
| amit_usual | I want to read vcards and add them to gpe-contacts is their any applications for that? | 10:05 |
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| mece | Stskeeps, haha exactly :D It's the weird little dude in there making the calls :D | 10:07 |
| mece | tmo seriously need the ignore thread button. | 10:07 |
| adeus | like most forum sites | 10:08 |
| adeus | annoyingly absent feature | 10:08 |
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| Venomrush | anyone know how to transfer contacts to SIM? | 10:08 |
| mece | Personal ignore list. | 10:08 |
| Venomrush | and why does copying a folder with large number of files failed over USB? | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | vista? | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:09 |
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| Venomrush | 7 mate | 10:09 |
| Venomrush | :\ | 10:09 |
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| Venomrush | if i copy them individually, as in select all the individual files, it works | 10:10 |
| Venomrush | :\ | 10:10 |
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| andre__ | Venomrush: why do you ask me? | 10:12 |
| Venomrush | you seem to be the 'know it all guy' :) | 10:12 |
| andre__ | then I should work on destroying that impression :-P | 10:13 |
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| andre__ | Venomrush, I also tried 10 minutes ago because of the forum posting, and could not find out. maybe it's not supported... | 10:14 |
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| Venomrush | hmm ok, i guess i'll log it as an enhancement | 10:15 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 10:20 |
| mece | RST38h, baa | 10:21 |
| * RST38h shaves mece | 10:22 | |
| * mece shaves some whales | 10:22 | |
| mece | is the file manager open source? | 10:22 |
| mece | the N900 on, that people are complaining about | 10:23 |
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| Stskeeps | maybe only the parts from libhildonfm | 10:23 |
| timeless_mbp | help :( | 10:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | can someone please remind me how debian packaging works? :) | 10:24 |
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| mece | timeless_mbp, are you being repressed? | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: magic and fairies | 10:24 |
| Lorthirk | RST38h: meow | 10:24 |
| mece | what he said. | 10:24 |
| inz | timeless, dh_make && dpkg-buildpackage ;) | 10:24 |
| timeless_mbp | mece: i'm being tortured | 10:24 |
| DangerMaus | magic smoke | 10:24 |
| mece | hmm the last on I did I made dh_make -f sourcearchive.tgz | 10:26 |
| mece | and then umm.. | 10:26 |
| mece | fakeroot debian/rules binary | 10:26 |
| mece | :) | 10:26 |
| mece | no idea if it's the correct way, but it worked. | 10:27 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if 15eur/month for 4gb/month data plan is expensive | 10:27 | |
| adeus | that worked purely by accident :P | 10:27 |
| mece | Stskeeps, unlimited speed on that? | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | gprs and 3g | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | and cdma if anyone used that abdomination | 10:28 |
| mece | Stskeeps, seems ok price. | 10:28 |
| mece | Stskeeps, cdma is the hd-dvd of telecom. I would have said betamax, but betamax was actually good. | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | 20gb for 30 eur | 10:28 |
| mece | Stskeeps, how much do you use? | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | at the moment? less than i did when i lived in .dk\ | 10:29 |
| mece | Stskeeps, they are all unlimited here, but the speeds differ in pricing. 30€ for full speed unlimited. | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | i don | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | 't mind a quota personally | 10:29 |
| mece | Stskeeps, I'd take the 4Gb, I think it's a good price. I'm poor though :) | 10:30 |
| mece | I currently have 512kbps unlimited | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | need something sane for my n900 so | 10:30 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: over here, it's 5 GB/mo for at least like 100 USD/mo :/ | 10:33 |
| arachnist | huh | 10:33 |
| arachnist | here you can get 6GB/mo for 60 pln/mo | 10:34 |
| luke-jr | wtf is pln? XD | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | arachnist: hm, what subscription is that? | 10:34 |
| luke-jr | you *can't* get 6 GB/mo in the US :| | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | arachnist: (i live in poland now too :P) | 10:34 |
| arachnist | luke-jr: polish zloty | 10:34 |
| arachnist | Stskeeps: orange | 10:34 |
| luke-jr | unless you do overage charges per KB | 10:34 |
| arachnist | luke-jr: 60 pln == 22 usd | 10:34 |
| luke-jr | nice | 10:34 |
| luke-jr | USA sucks for connectivity :( | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | arachnist: well, is that their CDMA offer or the one that people actually can use on a cellphone | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | arachnist: (what city are you in btw?, warsaw here) | 10:35 |
| arachnist | Stskeeps: warsaw :> | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 10:35 |
| arachnist | Stskeeps: the one that you can use on the cellphone | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | arachnist: hm, only found the 4gb one so far | 10:36 |
| luke-jr | you'll have to get coffee together every morning! | 10:36 |
| luke-jr | :p | 10:36 |
| mece | On a sidenote, from a metal music point of view, poland is awesome! | 10:36 |
| mece | :D | 10:36 |
| luke-jr | ... | 10:36 |
| luke-jr | what about a plastic music point of view? | 10:37 |
| arachnist | mece: :> | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | arachnist: i finally got a PESEL after several months of waiting, so i can finally get a data plan :P | 10:37 |
| arachnist | luke-jr: there's a lot of plastic crap here | 10:37 |
| mece | luke-jr, not sure about that. | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | instead of throwing more money after orange pay-as-you-go | 10:37 |
| mece | arachnist, well Behemoth and Vader canel out all the plastic :) | 10:37 |
| arachnist | Stskeeps: you weren't born in poland, were you? | 10:37 |
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| Stskeeps | arachnist: correct, i am a danish citizen :P | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | moved here in september, married to a polish girl | 10:38 |
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| arachnist | Stskeeps: oh, that explains | 10:39 |
| hrw | morning | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | morning hrw | 10:39 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: which operator you use now? era/plus/orange/play? | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | orange atm | 10:41 |
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| arachnist | Stskeeps: looks like they've changed it in the last few days | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | probably due to xmas, heh | 10:44 |
| DangerMaus | best use for the stylus on the n900? Getting the back cover off easily :P | 10:45 |
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| aSIMULAtor | great, our flight's delayed | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | finnair? | 10:46 |
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| Lynoure | DangerMaus: hee :) | 10:46 |
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| aSIMULAtor | yeah | 10:47 |
| aSIMULAtor | and although it says we have only an 8kg allowance for handcarry | 10:47 |
| aSIMULAtor | they can suck it | 10:47 |
| aSIMULAtor | with this baggage handling strike | 10:47 |
| aSIMULAtor | they suggest no check ins | 10:48 |
| DangerMaus | its true :P pop open where you start then push it all the way in on that side then move to other side and repeat the cover falls rite off | 10:48 |
| aSIMULAtor | my laptop alone is like 2kg | 10:48 |
| Venomrush | my laptop alone is like 5kg :\ | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | eat your own dog food and do everything on a n900? ;) | 10:48 |
| * Stskeeps didn't bring laptop to .dk and worked off n900 for a week, with some intermittent access to a desktop machine | 10:49 | |
| timeless_mbp | aSIMULAtor, et al: ok, i've got an updated localization which includes an updated map | 10:49 |
| DangerMaus | Lynoure, you seem familar | 10:49 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm looking for people who have some time and some sense of geography (or who are at least able to compare two maps) | 10:50 |
| aSIMULAtor | i have a sense of geography, it's always been my strong point, but no time at all | 10:50 |
| DangerMaus | me!! when i get it me head in the game timeless | 10:50 |
| timeless_mbp | just ask HAM to update everything | 10:51 |
| * DangerMaus smacks self silly | 10:51 | |
| timeless_mbp | you'll get the update | 10:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | let someone else use your n900 ;-) | 10:51 |
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| DangerMaus | awww | 10:51 |
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| Venomrush | do you trust ovi maps for your navigation? :p | 10:53 |
| aSIMULAtor | truthfully? | 10:55 |
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| arachnist | my laptop alone is 1.5kg | 10:55 |
| arachnist | 2kg with the charger | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | Venomrush: no. | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | Venomrush: if anything, disable cell-id localization, it makes it a -little- bit saner | 10:57 |
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| cehteh | laptop fail :P | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | Venomrush: i have occasionally thought about making a programme that exports N900 GPS as bluetooth GPS and using my n810. | 11:00 |
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| Lynoure | DangerMaus: I was here back when I had N800... and I'm on (and have been) on many other channels | 11:02 |
| DangerMaus | did you have a 770 with a scrambled screen way back? | 11:03 |
| Lynoure | DangerMaus: worn out more than scrambled, but yes. | 11:03 |
| DangerMaus | and i was prob loft306 | 11:03 |
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| Lynoure | DangerMaus: Now I'm soon starting a happycodingsabbatical, with a GTD app for N900 in mind :) | 11:04 |
| Lynoure | (soon, as in on Monday) | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | Lynoure: ooh. interested. | 11:04 |
| DangerMaus | hmmm | 11:05 |
| Lynoure | Stskeeps: I hope to have something (maybe not much, though) to show on Dec 18th | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:05 |
| Lynoure | So far it's just a pile of ideas and a name (maebi) | 11:05 |
| Lynoure | pronounced not all too differently from "maybe" | 11:06 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | been meaning to get back on the gtd wagon for a while now and the tiddlywiki based ones just didn't work for me on n8x0/n900 | 11:07 |
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| cehteh | tiddlywiki doesnt work on n900? woot :/ | 11:09 |
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| Stskeeps | work for me, that is | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | as in, not a good daily routine | 11:10 |
| suihkulokki | what does it need to work? | 11:11 |
| DangerMaus | it is so weird just rebooting a phone from cli | 11:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | so... anyone else willing to help validate a map? :/ | 11:18 |
| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: you know my answer! :P | 11:18 |
| Corsac | I guess that require a device? | 11:19 |
| timeless_mbp | you need to get an n900? | 11:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | Corsac: well, kinda, i guess | 11:19 |
| Corsac | ok :) | 11:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | i dunno, i haven't checked an n8x0 | 11:19 |
| Corsac | sorry then | 11:19 |
| timeless_mbp | it's /possible/ the files are the same | 11:19 |
| timeless_mbp | someone could check ;) | 11:19 |
| luke-jr | n8x0 doesn't have maps, afaik? | 11:19 |
| timeless_mbp | this isn't map | 11:20 |
| timeless_mbp | it's clock | 11:20 |
| timeless_mbp | ad the clock was around in the 770 | 11:20 |
| luke-jr | how does that validate a map? | 11:20 |
| DangerMaus | lookin round in south america now | 11:20 |
| * GeneralAntilles yawns and hits the road. | 11:21 | |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: road might hit you back.. | 11:21 |
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| DangerMaus | oh i geuss brazill dose goo that far west | 11:22 |
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| DangerMaus | not too many cities an the 770 clock timeless | 11:26 |
| timeless_mbp | DangerMaus: the map has *never* cared about time zones | 11:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | that's another bug | 11:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | DangerMaus: yeah, but does /usr/share/clock/wdb exist? | 11:26 |
| DangerMaus | hmm | 11:26 |
| timeless_mbp | and if so. is it similar to the one in the n900? | 11:26 |
| timeless_mbp | and similarly, is the map the same file/path/size/shape? | 11:26 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, i need to do some other stuff | 11:26 |
| DangerMaus | wdb exists | 11:28 |
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| DangerMaus | wait' | 11:29 |
| DangerMaus | wrong n | 11:29 |
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| DangerMaus | no not even a /usr/share/clock | 11:31 |
| DangerMaus | timeless_mbp, | 11:31 |
| DangerMaus | ^^^ | 11:31 |
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| Ensiferum | is there a "theme api" in maemo for queyring the system at runtime for theme details such as window background/button colors etc? | 11:38 |
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| Stskeeps | ensi: GTK's stuff? :P | 11:39 |
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| ensi | hmm but hildon adds stuff on gtk | 11:40 |
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| tru | I think the term you are looking for is "unholy mess" | 11:41 |
| tigert | hmmm | 11:44 |
| tigert | has anyone used the vnc viewer for osx screen viewing? | 11:44 |
| tigert | is the osx a ip.address.here:0 ? | 11:44 |
| tigert | or what? the vnc viewer just says it cannot control | 11:44 |
| tigert | erm | 11:44 |
| tigert | cannot connect | 11:44 |
| tigert | I can ping the machine fine | 11:44 |
| sgbirch | how do you minimize the media player when it is playing a video? | 11:45 |
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| tigert | sgbirch: you dont :P | 11:45 |
| sgbirch | tigert: bug? | 11:45 |
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| tigert | feature? | 11:45 |
| tigert | its a thin line :) | 11:45 |
| tigert | I dont like it either | 11:46 |
| sgbirch | tigert: well .. it is the first bug/feature I have experienced. Oh .. except for the loss of productivity for the last two days after buying the N900 :-) | 11:46 |
| tigert | I mean | 11:46 |
| tigert | it will pause when you switch away | 11:46 |
| tigert | you can use ctrl-backspace to switch apps | 11:46 |
| tigert | but it will stop playing when in background | 11:46 |
| tigert | if that is what you meant? | 11:46 |
| sgbirch | tigert: ahhhh .. yes, exactly. Can you do that without opening the keyboard? | 11:47 |
| tigert | no :/ | 11:47 |
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| tigert | but the videoplayer shows back-button in topright when you tap the screen when video plays | 11:47 |
| tigert | so you can return to the video list and switch apps from there | 11:47 |
| sgbirch | tigert: I love the way n900 works with vnc .. I have it on my desktop while working. Cool | 11:48 |
| tigert | the video resumes where you left if you continue | 11:48 |
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| tigert | sgbirch: I think I have a firewall here somewhere that blocks vnc and ssh between hosts | 11:48 |
| DangerMaus | hmmm should fig how to add the | in lew of the GBP symbol here is the states | 11:48 |
| sgbirch | tigert: too bad, both ssh and vnc work really well. I am used to ssh on N810 which was slow. This is incredible. | 11:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody else notice the N900 often seems to send Snow Leopard into fits? | 11:49 |
| * GeneralAntilles gets a -10810 from Finder.app now. | 11:49 | |
| DangerMaus | hahaha GeneralAntilles | 11:51 |
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| DangerMaus | GeneralAntilles, thi first time i plugged it into a xp box the thing wend looking for lots and lots of drivers | 11:52 |
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| sgbirch | which irc client are ppl using on n900? | 11:53 |
| tigert | sgbirch: Terminal + ssh + screen running irssi | 11:54 |
| DangerMaus | im still ssh'ng to home | 11:54 |
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| DangerMaus | same here tigert | 11:54 |
| tigert | thats the way I have always done | 11:54 |
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| DangerMaus | when xchatis outta deval i'll prob use that | 11:55 |
| plr_ | irssi here | 11:55 |
| Myrtti | DEVEL! | 11:55 |
| tigert | xchat is not really having a nice ui on maemo :( | 11:56 |
| DangerMaus | hehe | 11:56 |
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| tigert | its a mash-shoehorned desktop ui into the device | 11:56 |
| tigert | could be much nicer with some work | 11:56 |
| DangerMaus | thy got xchat-text? | 11:56 |
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| suihkulokki | me being lazy, is there work on maemo-nethack port to fremantle ? | 11:57 |
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| DangerMaus | i;ll settle for irssi also | 11:57 |
| viggi | irssi ftw! | 11:57 |
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| zaheer__ | suihkulokki, AD-N770 was looking at it i think | 11:57 |
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| tigert | hmm | 11:57 |
| tigert | nethack would also run nicely in screen | 11:57 |
| tigert | hmmmmm... ;) | 11:58 |
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| suihkulokki | :P | 11:58 |
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| tigert | I just never learned the keyboard moving, missing arrowkeys | 11:58 |
| tigert | N900 would be motivation for that ;) | 11:58 |
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| suihkulokki | tigert: AD-N770's maemo ui had a compass to click on screen for movement | 11:59 |
| DM_770 | bit ufly on this tige | 11:59 |
| DM_770 | rt | 11:59 |
| florian | good morning | 12:00 |
| DM_770 | ugly | 12:00 |
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| DangerMaus | hmm | 12:01 |
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| tigert | suihkulokki: oh | 12:01 |
| AD-N770 | I've to try to build it for freemantle | 12:02 |
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| AD-N770 | just not found time yet to do an attempt | 12:02 |
| AD-N770 | I've some more ideas to improve the UI | 12:02 |
| AD-N770 | to make it more suitable for N900 | 12:02 |
| suihkulokki | AD-N770: are you headed to the barcelona weekend? | 12:02 |
| AD-N770 | maybe during the Barcelona's long weekend I can do something | 12:03 |
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| suihkulokki | perfect :D | 12:03 |
| zaheerm | AD-N770, i fly tonight, you coming tomorrow morning right? | 12:03 |
| AD-N770 | yes | 12:03 |
| zaheerm | awesome | 12:03 |
| AD-N770 | that's the plan | 12:03 |
| zaheerm | i have your 3 parcels :) | 12:03 |
| AD-N770 | I've you card :) | 12:03 |
| zaheerm | excellent, and thomas may get an n900 too, depends if UPS gets here before i go to the airport | 12:04 |
| AD-N770 | I'll have to wait if I'm lucky for a n900 in the long weekend | 12:05 |
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| Venomrush | hmm SIP calls drains the abttery quick | 12:14 |
| javispedro | so today I got a mp (not on tmo)... "I want to install .deb, show me plz I'm using hyperterminal but it says it will brick my device plz" | 12:14 |
| javispedro | I have to wonder where he pointed hyperterminal to... | 12:15 |
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| javispedro | the phone seems to be finally arriving at the hands of some fansites members and chaos is ensuing | 12:20 |
| javispedro | fortunately, it seems that the rants from those who didn't know what the thing was die rather quickly | 12:21 |
| murrayc_ | Does anyone know why opengl is slow slow when using X86 and xephyr? | 12:21 |
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| murrayc_ | s/slow slow/so slow | 12:21 |
| javispedro | murrayc_: because on most configurations I've tried it will just use mesa software renderer. | 12:21 |
| javispedro | this includes anything nvidia propietary | 12:22 |
| murrayc_ | I have intel graphics. | 12:22 |
| javispedro | in fact, I am yet to see an unmodified SDK installation be accelerated, but that's another story. | 12:22 |
| murrayc_ | Surely if the regular desktop can use accelerated graphics then xephyr should too? | 12:22 |
| chx | given that Maemo 6 is arriving in H2 2010 isnt it cheaper/better to buy a mifi and keep the N810 for now...? | 12:22 |
| javispedro | murrayc_: depends on Xephyr version I guess. | 12:23 |
| zaheerm | chx, it's cheaper to not buy, right :) | 12:23 |
| Myrtti | chx: it's your personal choice | 12:23 |
| javispedro | one question I always wanted to ask is: does ANYONE get GL accelerated X86 SDK + Xephyr? | 12:23 |
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| Stskeeps | chx: i am perfectly happy not to have to deal with a shitty phone anymore and have two seperate devices | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:23 |
| chx | ok, putting it in a diff way, is n900 much better than n810? | 12:23 |
| zaheerm | i personally like maemo 5 | 12:23 |
| zaheerm | chx, yes | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | chx: yes, in most ways | 12:23 |
| chx | what ways | 12:23 |
| plr_ | it's almost funny how many buy this expensive device, then find out one small bug/missing feature, declare it as a dealbreaker and create their own thread for it and vent like crazy how nokia sucks because of it :) | 12:23 |
| murrayc_ | javispedro: Me too. | 12:24 |
| chx | i mean, there is a commiunity project to put maemo 5 on the n810 if i reckon | 12:24 |
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| Myrtti | chx: to a certain extent | 12:24 |
| zaheerm | chx, the cpu, ram and 32GB of internal storage is much much better | 12:24 |
| javispedro | murrayc_: as for myself I use VMGL to accelerate it, you lose the blur effect (no FBOs) but it's very fast. | 12:24 |
| javispedro | not worth the effort unless you also want to learn about VMGL itself | 12:25 |
| zaheerm | tv out is cool too, i used it to entertain my nephews with youtube of thomas tank engine and peppa pig | 12:25 |
| zaheerm | it is actually half the reason i wrote zoutube :) | 12:25 |
| javispedro | tv out, fm radio in/out, camera, and ir are my favourite features | 12:25 |
| murrayc_ | zaheerm: I tried it a few days ago. Good for watching trailers. Full screen would be great though. | 12:26 |
| javispedro | small screen and measly battery life are my personal "dealbreakers" :) | 12:26 |
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| javispedro | well, my only dealbreaker would be ... price. | 12:26 |
| javispedro | c'mon DDP :) | 12:26 |
| zaheerm | murrayc_, thx, full screen with buttons and slider only overlayed when touched is in the pipeline | 12:26 |
| javispedro | anyone going on a plane soon? :) | 12:26 |
| zaheerm | javispedro, 19:15 is my flight... | 12:27 |
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| javispedro | see you then | 12:27 |
| zaheerm | murrayc_, a bonus, tv out makes the video full screen on tv automatically :) | 12:28 |
| murrayc_ | zaheerm: If you just rename it (and simplify it) to YouTube Trailers Viewer, you'll get masses of users. | 12:28 |
| zaheerm | murrayc_, can I use the name Youtube? | 12:28 |
| murrayc_ | No idea. | 12:28 |
| plr_ | zaheerm yeah great app, full screen would be nice | 12:29 |
| * zaheerm wants to have fullscreen and iplayer working very soon on it | 12:29 | |
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| plr_ | iplayer? | 12:29 |
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| zaheerm | plr_, bbc iplayer | 12:29 |
| plr_ | oh okay | 12:29 |
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| DangerMaus | hmm irssi crashed the first time i started it | 12:35 |
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| DM_900 | ok irssi worked the 2nd time | 12:38 |
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| javispedro | someone used the mic as reset button? then wondered why the mic didn't work? | 12:43 |
| DangerMaus | ROFL | 12:43 |
| DangerMaus | must of been thinkin 770 | 12:43 |
| DangerMaus | just return it anyways there are enough of them with busted mics | 12:44 |
| ManuelSE | god bless 770 | 12:46 |
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| DangerMaus | ita a good day to go get glasses | 12:48 |
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| DangerMaus | this thing is just tiny | 12:48 |
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| mece | would moving my /usr/local/ directory to /opt/usr/local/ be a problem? | 12:51 |
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| mece | I so suck at linking stuff properly :/ | 12:52 |
| ManuelSE | who here looked at "top" playing musikc? | 12:52 |
| ccooke | Morning, all | 12:52 |
| ManuelSE | why is pulse audio so high cpu load? | 12:52 |
| w00t | there is a thread about that on talk | 12:52 |
| w00t | one moment | 12:52 |
| mece | W00t, there is? | 12:52 |
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| w00t | I was speaing to ManuelSE, sorry for not being explicit | 12:53 |
| andre__ | anybody running 1.2009.42-11 who can tell the version of nokia-maps-ui? ("dpkg -l nokia-maps-ui") | 12:53 |
| mece | W00t, I know. I was wondering about the same thing a while back | 12:53 |
| ManuelSE | what is the right way | 12:53 |
| w00t | ah, hmm | 12:53 |
| w00t | ManuelSE: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5794 | 12:53 |
| povbot` | Bug 5794: pulseaudio: resampling 44k1hz mp3 to 48khz (sink) consumes too much cpu | 12:53 |
| ManuelSE | what about eq and speaker protection? | 12:54 |
| mece | andre__, nokia-maps-ui 0.1.0-22+0m5 | 12:54 |
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| w00t | ^ see that report | 12:54 |
| andre__ | mece, thanks a lot! | 12:54 |
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| * RST38h yawns | 12:55 | |
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| RST38h | Do I understand it correctly that DDP is not gonna deliver anything until 2010? | 12:56 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: yep | 12:57 |
| javispedro | late 2010 actually | 12:57 |
| javispedro | and what they're going to deliver is notifications that our orders have been cancelled because they no longer manufacture the n900 | 12:57 |
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| * javispedro cries | 12:58 | |
| mece | ?? | 12:58 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: ..wtf? :P | 12:59 |
| DangerMaus | what place is DDP? | 12:59 |
| range | javispedro: But you can probably apply for a 6 device, then. | 12:59 |
| mece | Dark and Dangerous Place? | 12:59 |
| mece | oh Developer Device Program | 12:59 |
| javispedro | DDP is on the North Pole, near santa's home | 12:59 |
| zaheerm | javispedro, i think they may be waiting for loans from the amsterdam summit to be returned ;) | 13:00 |
| Arkenoi | actually i miss "call sender" function in SMS/IM. it is much more easy to use than "go to contacts - select recent - call" | 13:00 |
| zaheerm | yes | 13:00 |
| mece | yeah, that's actually something I use a lot on my old phone.. | 13:01 |
| zaheerm | and also in call log, when you select the contact it asks you which of their numbers to call | 13:01 |
| plr_ | Arkenoi: yeah that would be nice | 13:01 |
| zaheerm | rather than calling the one that actually called you | 13:01 |
| javispedro | range: "when is my harmattan device going to ship?" | 13:01 |
| zaheerm | javispedro, check with t.m.o shipping threads ;) | 13:01 |
| range | javispedro: Late 2011, I guess? | 13:02 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:03 |
| lardman | is the autobuilder broken for x86? | 13:03 |
| javispedro | 2011: "when is my inverna(harmattan+1 ;)) device going to ship?" 2012: "when is my harmattan+2 device going to ship?" until you die | 13:03 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: The moment N900 falls below $450 in the US, I am cancelling DDP order. | 13:06 |
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| RST38h | Not worth it. | 13:06 |
| DM_900 | how to switch channels in irssi on the n900? | 13:07 |
| javispedro | I still _hope_ they will ship before christmas | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | i use ctrl-a and such | 13:07 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: Sounds more and more unrealistic with every day | 13:07 |
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| sulx | esc+number ? | 13:07 |
| javispedro | I think that enough people will have returned defective N900s by then | 13:07 |
| javispedro | so they can send those to us :) | 13:07 |
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| DangerMaus | thnx ' | 13:08 |
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| DangerMaus | hmm | 13:09 |
| DangerMaus | ok the esc-# works | 13:10 |
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| sgbirch | How do you cut and paste on the n900 .. (from the note field in the address book)? | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | ctrl-c? | 13:10 |
| mece | If I move my /usr/local to opt, should it be hard or soft linked? | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | hard is only on same fs | 13:11 |
| mece | k | 13:11 |
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| chx | you cant hardlink a dir | 13:11 |
| mece | chx, ahyesh.. that makes sense. | 13:11 |
| jrocha | lizardo, hi | 13:12 |
| chx | another option is mount --bind | 13:12 |
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| jrocha | lizardo, I tried your suggestion for the Debian package, it didn't work | 13:12 |
| jrocha | I still get the full paths to python2.3 | 13:12 |
| jrocha | using CDBS | 13:12 |
| mece | so basically the /opt -> /home/opt is a regular ln -s /home/opt /opt ? | 13:12 |
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| ManuelSE | are the serial pins under batterty ttl safe? can i hook up a debounced switch? | 13:21 |
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| Shapeshifter | meh. If only nokia had made even less advertisment. none at all. or even ads where they say "you should not buy this device". Then hundrets of N900s wouldn't have been wasted on all all the nokia fanboys who buy anything with NOKIA written on it. And _I_ would have one by now. | 13:22 |
| ManuelSE | would like 2 binary inputs for a user mod | 13:22 |
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| ManuelSE | it is the right stage to begin having fans | 13:23 |
| andre__ | garr. Realising that -002 and -003 suffixes in version numbers DO have a meaning (US resp. MiddleEast variants) | 13:23 |
| Ceron^ | lol friends n900 lasts only for 7-8 hours on 3g | 13:23 |
| jrocha | lizardo, I think the only way is to use the env vars to override to ignore the python in /usr/bin | 13:23 |
| ManuelSE | konttori had some hardware mod kit | 13:23 |
| Ceron^ | aint that kinda fial | 13:23 |
| Ceron^ | failk | 13:23 |
| ManuelSE | i iave it | 13:23 |
| lardman | Ceron^: what's it doing during that time? | 13:23 |
| Ceron^ | lardman: irsssi | 13:24 |
| Ceron^ | thats all :P | 13:24 |
| lardman | well that's quite a bit | 13:24 |
| Ceron^ | lol less than surfing | 13:24 |
| lardman | do you have a laptop? | 13:24 |
| ManuelSE | i got 10 hours irssi and light surfing and light mp3 | 13:24 |
| lardman | would that last 7-8 hours on irrisi? | 13:24 |
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| ManuelSE | with wifi ahnd no sikm | 13:24 |
| Ceron^ | i dont compare laptop to n900 | 13:25 |
| Ceron^ | i compare n900 to a phone | 13:25 |
| ManuelSE | i compare n900 to n810 | 13:25 |
| ManuelSE | hehe | 13:25 |
| ManuelSE | weirdo | 13:25 |
| lardman | n810 can last that long with wifi on? | 13:25 |
| ManuelSE | mmm max i got was 8 hrs | 13:26 |
| ManuelSE | using it | 13:26 |
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| ManuelSE | this is great performance for power ceron | 13:26 |
| tigert | compare the use | 13:26 |
| ManuelSE | trust us | 13:26 |
| tigert | web browsing and stuff is more like laptop | 13:26 |
| ManuelSE | not good, great | 13:26 |
| tigert | phone in pocket = phone | 13:27 |
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| ManuelSE | mhm | 13:28 |
| zaheerm | i treat it as a phone | 13:28 |
| chx | the problem with irssi is that you have 3g data moving all the time... | 13:28 |
| chx | no matter how little -- there is data | 13:28 |
| ManuelSE | tigert are you working on anything maemo atm? | 13:28 |
| chx | needs to communicate with the server all the time | 13:29 |
| chx | web browsing is actually lighter than irc | 13:29 |
| Myrtti | chx: that's why you detach from screen when you're not really using it | 13:30 |
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| ManuelSE | i dont like that much radio energy near brain | 13:30 |
| chx | right but Ceron^ was complaining about the battery time when ircing | 13:30 |
| chx | and i tried to explain | 13:30 |
| ManuelSE | can we cut power to cell radio in n900? | 13:30 |
| Myrtti | if you run the client on the device, it doesn't matter what client you're using | 13:30 |
| ManuelSE | all power | 13:30 |
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| Myrtti | ManuelSE: use a handsfree | 13:31 |
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| Stskeeps | Myrtti: not a bad idea.. something to attach/detach based on device stae | 13:31 |
| Myrtti | and live next to a cell mast | 13:31 |
| ManuelSE | can we cut power to cell radio in n900? | 13:31 |
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| mece | ManuelSE, there's offline mode | 13:31 |
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| ManuelSE | thank you for the attempt to answer :) | 13:32 |
| Myrtti | the closer you live to a cell mast, the less energy is needed for the signal to be strong | 13:32 |
| chx | great so the solution to cut radiaton from your phone is to move next to a cell mast | 13:32 |
| chx | that *surely* cuts your radiation exposure :P | 13:33 |
| Myrtti | that's why all the schools actually *should* have a cell mast next to them, since we can't take achieved technological achievements from the kids, but we can limit the exposure | 13:33 |
| ManuelSE | and is this n900 a device that can be turned on remotelym to spy on me unless i cut power traces to cell radio? | 13:33 |
| Myrtti | ManuelSE: ... | 13:33 |
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| ManuelSE | thank you for the attempt to answer :P | 13:34 |
| Myrtti | ManuelSE: in most countries it's required by law that the cell phone location must be traceable in some way | 13:34 |
| Myrtti | or whatever it was | 13:34 |
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| ManuelSE | wothout sim card? | 13:34 |
| viggi | Obvious troll. | 13:34 |
| Myrtti | viggi: I'm starting to suspect the same | 13:34 |
| chx | ManuelSE: if you want to be untracable then ditch all electronics and civilization and move into some vast forest (Canada is a good place) and do not get in touch with civilization | 13:35 |
| Myrtti | ManuelSE: atleast in finland it's possible to call national emergency number without one | 13:35 |
| ManuelSE | i have seen it on the news | 13:35 |
| Myrtti | chx: yeah, finland isn't really an option | 13:35 |
| ManuelSE | then we investigate this, thank you | 13:35 |
| ManuelSE | to see if n900s are spuying on users | 13:35 |
| chx | Myrtti: finland also has nice forests. | 13:35 |
| w00t | n900 n900 n900 n900 | 13:35 |
| * w00t celebrates | 13:36 | |
| tigert | :) | 13:36 |
| chx | But Siberia and Canada is better for this. | 13:36 |
| Myrtti | chx: and cell coverage almost throughout the country | 13:36 |
| chx | Myrtti: then defnitely Siberia or Canada , you wont have cell coverage in the tundra for sure :D | 13:36 |
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| w00t | Stskeeps: I will defend this with my life | 13:37 |
| w00t | so I don't think so | 13:37 |
| DangerMaus | and another gets thairs | 13:37 |
| ManuelSE | w00t are you unboxing:? | 13:37 |
| * lcukn900 is gonna get on first rainyplane | 13:37 | |
| Myrtti | ManuelSE: you do realise that *all* phones are traceable to a location by the operator? | 13:38 |
| DangerMaus | heh been loking for pouches and such for it .. looking at digicam pouches | 13:38 |
| w00t | ManuelSE: did a few minutes ago, yes | 13:38 |
| ManuelSE | myrtti - not when off | 13:38 |
| jebbajeb1 | OMFG my amazon order is finally shipping. Nov 4th order. | 13:38 |
| Myrtti | ManuelSE: well neither is N900 when it's off, not surprisingly | 13:38 |
| ManuelSE | do not waste time if you do not know the answer myrtti | 13:38 |
| * tigert has one backpack for barcelona | 13:39 | |
| DangerMaus | jebbajeb1, thought you already had one? | 13:39 |
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| tigert | a few shirts, underwear and toothbrush and 2 N900s for some lucky ones quim has had in mind | 13:39 |
| lcukn900 | tigert only 1 | 13:39 |
| tigert | plus laptop and logitech mouse :) | 13:39 |
| lcukn900 | 2! | 13:39 |
| lcukn900 | i have 1.99 n900s | 13:39 |
| ManuelSE | happym day w00t! | 13:39 |
| w00t | tell me about it | 13:40 |
| w00t | i'm overjoyed | 13:40 |
| * w00t connects wifi | 13:40 | |
| ManuelSE | can we order replacement battery covers | 13:40 |
| ManuelSE | i want 2 | 13:40 |
| jebbajeb1 | DangerMaus: I do. I got that one off mercardolibre (ebay argentina) waay too expensive tho | 13:40 |
| chx | are there spare styluses this time? | 13:40 |
| jebbajeb1 | how can i call myself with just 1? ;) | 13:40 |
| DangerMaus | i want a bakc cover i just know im gonna break the kickstand | 13:40 |
| w00t | haha | 13:41 |
| w00t | I expect I will too | 13:41 |
| ManuelSE | w00t go back and forth to N810 to compare feel. Impressions? | 13:41 |
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| DangerMaus | ouch jebbajeb1 | 13:41 |
| w00t | ManuelSE: I don't have any older maemo devices unfortunately >.> | 13:41 |
| lcukn900 | pretend | 13:42 |
| DangerMaus | hah | 13:42 |
| lcukn900 | i dont like the rain | 13:43 |
| tigert | aSIMULAtor: ping? | 13:43 |
| ManuelSE | i think this is a classic design | 13:43 |
| DM_900 | :) | 13:43 |
| w00t | smoother feel, quicker boot, and it's black. | 13:43 |
| * w00t enjoyed complete BS making there | 13:43 | |
| w00t | :P | 13:43 |
| ManuelSE | after using constantly. love at first sight. i knew she was right. | 13:43 |
| lizardo | jrocha: I forgot to tell you that first solution only worked for earlier CDBS releases :( | 13:43 |
| jrocha | lizardo, ok, no problem | 13:44 |
| lizardo | jrocha: that ' s why I came up with the second solution | 13:44 |
| Myrtti | lcukn900: http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/4155207694/ | 13:44 |
| * w00t figures out how to set skype up. | 13:44 | |
| jrocha | lizardo, so, is this normal? does this happen in a fresh installed system? (because it is a pain) | 13:44 |
| jrocha | lizardo, I have a new project that I delayed the release because of it :P | 13:44 |
| lcukn900 | damn wish irc would show photos inline | 13:44 |
| DM_900 | ManuelSE: totaly even if the iphone ppl call it a preegant guppy | 13:44 |
| suihkulokki | what a lovely neighborhood | 13:44 |
| lizardo | jrocha: yes, it is normal, something we could not avoid because scratchbox uses python for its internal toolss | 13:45 |
| lizardo | jrocha: the problem has been there since first PyMaemo releaes in 2005 , I think :( | 13:46 |
| lcukn900 | myrtti what a lovely scene | 13:46 |
| Blast | hello guys... wondering about the N900 Usb Host Mode... did you find any bluetooth - USB host? | 13:46 |
| Myrtti | last two weeks have been shitty anyway, nice to have a bit of change | 13:46 |
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| * SpeedEvil keeps meaning for USB host | 13:47 | |
| DM_900 | hmmm cantnhave xterm and irssi not good | 13:47 |
| SpeedEvil | meaning to tru to get it working | 13:47 |
| DangerMaus | as in a seperate xterm from the irssi one | 13:47 |
| lcukn900 | whats host mode for | 13:47 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: plugging stuff in | 13:47 |
| ManuelSE | great question blast | 13:47 |
| lcukn900 | are ppl just wanting usb wifi | 13:47 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: so you can plug in a USB missile launcher. | 13:47 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk; (probably with external power supply) | 13:47 |
| ManuelSE | usb pendrives | 13:48 |
| lcukn900 | speedevil' icbm over irc is the new hot | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Or webcam, or ethernet nIC, or ... | 13:48 |
| ManuelSE | digicams | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 13:48 |
| DM_900 | hmm we got screen ? | 13:48 |
| ManuelSE | coffee heater's | 13:48 |
| lcukn900 | the bloody n900 IS a digicam | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil | lcukn900: it's a very bad one | 13:48 |
| ManuelSE | from other cams | 13:48 |
| ManuelSE | to gimp them | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil | lcukn900: compared to a proper even slightly better than bargain basement camera. | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: did you remember to set resolution properly? :P | 13:49 |
| lcukn900 | 5mpix and 32gb onboard wireless shitty one yeah | 13:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: yes. 5MP looks like ~3MP at best. More like 2 in reality. | 13:49 |
| ManuelSE | the microscopic cam in n900 does not compete with much larger cameras | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | no optical zoom, no stabilisation, ... | 13:49 |
| ManuelSE | it can not | 13:49 |
| lcukn900 | manuel no1 is denying that | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | You can actually in principle upgrade the cam. | 13:50 |
| SpeedEvil | (the cam is socketed) | 13:50 |
| lcukn900 | but those wrk without usb | 13:50 |
| DangerMaus | better than my stand alone 4mp sofar | 13:50 |
| DangerMaus | if nothings moving | 13:50 |
| SpeedEvil | So in principle, you could have a replacement back, with a 12MP DSLR :) | 13:50 |
| ManuelSE | it is good enough for me to not regret not taking camera | 13:50 |
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| Blast | ...how about something like that? http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/07/16/belkin_unveils_wifi_usb_hub/ | 13:50 |
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| Blast | wow, a split ;) | 13:50 |
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| Stskeeps | a netsplit | 13:51 |
| SpeedEvil | wusb is not standard wireless | 13:51 |
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| Blast | SpeedEvil, = unusable? | 13:51 |
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| lizardo | damn freenode servers :) | 13:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | Blast: you absolutely can't use wireless USB with standard 802.11* hardware | 13:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | (well, you could have a wusb 802.11* network card, but apart from that) | 13:52 |
| timelys | Hello world | 13:52 |
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| lardman | hmm, was the vote for your favourite character, string supposed to look like this I wonder?: "$ % & ( ) < = > \ _ | ~ £ €" | 13:54 |
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| lardman | tha tlast block looks like a comma to me | 13:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm not voting - simply as it's an insane question on its face. | 13:55 |
| SpeedEvil | What the hell does it mean. | 13:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | lardman: it's a euro | 13:55 |
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| lizardo | jrocha: I was saying that the FAQ only covers the more generic "use python2.5 instead of just python" suggestion | 13:55 |
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| lizardo | jrocha: the packaging trick is not documented there (yet) | 13:55 |
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| lardman | SpeedEvil: ah I see, pointless char ;) | 13:56 |
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| timelys | Danger, any other comments on the clock? | 13:56 |
| lizardo | jrocha: just because I made it not long ago :) | 13:56 |
| lizardo | jrocha: anyway, I'll update the FAQ accordingly | 13:56 |
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| mece | can one disable these enter and exit room messages somehow, or is it up to the client? | 13:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | mece: up to client | 13:56 |
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| timelys | /ignore * join part | 13:57 |
| timelys | Roughly | 13:57 |
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| lcukn900 | thats per session isnt it | 13:57 |
| lcukn900 | or forever more? | 13:58 |
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| frals_ | depends on the client ;) | 13:58 |
| timelys | Some clients have a conference mode... | 13:58 |
| lcukn900 | yeah irc clients are finnicky | 13:58 |
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| frals_ | some ircds got delayed mode which doesnt show join/parts until the user speaks, dunno bout freenode | 13:58 |
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| lcukn900 | thats neat | 13:59 |
| timelys | Lcuk, test my map data? | 13:59 |
| lcukn900 | no | 13:59 |
| lcukn900 | im boarding plane in 5min | 13:59 |
| frals_ | :D | 13:59 |
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| timelys | To bcn? | 13:59 |
| lcukn900 | frals will tho | 13:59 |
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| lcukn900 | if he has device | 14:00 |
| lcukn900 | yeah | 14:00 |
| aSIMULAtor | lcuk our flight is delayed | 14:00 |
| lcukn900 | via amsterdam | 14:00 |
| aSIMULAtor | by 3 hrs | 14:00 |
| frals_ | if i had a device i would... but alas, no :( | 14:00 |
| timelys | Say hello | 14:00 |
| lcukn900 | o-O | 14:00 |
| lcukn900 | will do dude | 14:00 |
| frals_ | "Marketing at Stockholm Developer Day by Swedish magazine Mobil in Summit Conference Centre." | 14:00 |
| lcukn900 | asim what is this nonsense | 14:00 |
| frals_ | wonder where this is... | 14:00 |
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| lcukn900 | tell | 14:01 |
| timelys | Asimulator, so you have time for the clock :) | 14:01 |
| mece | timelys, I have a device here, what is it you need? | 14:01 |
| lcukn900 | -tell | 14:01 |
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| lcukn900 | w00t has one finally errrrrr w00t lol | 14:02 |
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| zaheerm | lcukn900, see you in bcn tomorrow morning | 14:02 |
| lcukn900 | indeed | 14:02 |
| w00t | lcukn900: you have *no* idea how applicable my nick is right now | 14:02 |
| frals_ | nice, at this stockholm dev day you got the chance to win a n900... if you develop a symbian app | 14:02 |
| lcukn900 | mmmm curious | 14:03 |
| lcukn900 | dev for symbian get n900 cant use app? | 14:03 |
| zaheerm | can port app ;) | 14:03 |
| frals_ | yeah, makes sense right | 14:03 |
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| Stskeeps | frals_: trick is to use Qt. | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:03 |
| frals_ | yeah | 14:03 |
| frals_ | read the schedule and it has "15.15-16.00 Cross publishing on Maemo, Symbian, Android, Widows Mobile and Java | 14:03 |
| frals_ | QT Development for Maemo and Symbian | 14:03 |
| frals_ | Monosync Cross Publishing | 14:03 |
| frals_ | ops, sorry for multiline paste | 14:04 |
| zaheerm | that's like saying use c++ :) | 14:04 |
| lcukn900 | then its not a sym bian app | 14:04 |
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| zaheerm | writing a normal qt app and recompiling won't fix it automagically for maemo | 14:04 |
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| frals_ | shame ive not seen a single piece of information about this until today, they even had student discount for attending :( | 14:04 |
| lardman | XEP-0080 support: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35787 what are your thoughts people? | 14:04 |
| lcukn900 | i curse the lack of sketching here i want to gesticulate with a little drawing of confus man | 14:05 |
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| lcukn900 | zaheerm | 14:05 |
| zaheerm | lcukn900, ? :) | 14:05 |
| lcukn900 | its ok i am simply speechless lol | 14:06 |
| lardman | is your sketching irc standalone? | 14:06 |
| lcukn900 | yesh and not working yet | 14:06 |
| zaheerm | i think everyone but nokia/qt marketing know qt is not a magic bullet | 14:06 |
| lcukn900 | QMagicBullet | 14:07 |
| lcukn900 | nice name for an app | 14:07 |
| timelys | You forgot Nokia upper management :-) | 14:07 |
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| lcukn900 | QMagicBulletNokiaUpperManagement | 14:07 |
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| lcukn900 | it doesnt sound as good tho | 14:08 |
| zaheerm | lardman, it was discussed in telepathy talk at summit | 14:08 |
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| lardman | zaheerm: I don;t seem to remember the outcome, do you? | 14:08 |
| zaheerm | lardman, yes we can do it but virtually no jabber servers support it | 14:08 |
| lardman | something like Google's servers don't support it so it probably won't work for most people, etc | 14:08 |
| lardman | some do though: http://coccinella.im/servers/servers_by_pubsub_pep.html | 14:09 |
| lardman | seems a shame not to have it | 14:10 |
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| zaheerm | i think they should implement it anyway | 14:10 |
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| zaheerm | Robot101 may be able to chime in | 14:10 |
| lardman | likewise | 14:10 |
| lardman | though it would be good to hook into Latitude too, as that's what most mobiles use these days | 14:10 |
| * lcukn900 waves at rob | 14:10 | |
| Stskeeps | ~wifi-psm | 14:11 |
| infobot | hmm... wifi-psm is http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) | 14:11 |
| w00t | anyone else experienced connectivity (specifically wifi) difficulties in relation to usb use? (long shot, but it seems to be possibly related.. testing again now) | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: read the page above | 14:12 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: will do, but i'm sceptical about psm | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | try to disable power saving and see if it works :P | 14:12 |
| w00t | both times it's happened when i plugged usb in | 14:12 |
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| lcukn900 | infinite 5minss | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: psm values are adjusted depending on device activity | 14:12 |
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| w00t | rebooted now, no usb, trying to load a page.. and.. looking like complete and utter fail still, so maybe you're right | 14:13 |
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| * w00t tries psm | 14:13 | |
| lcukn900 | i read that as "w00t tries pron" | 14:14 |
| lcukn900 | i need eyetest | 14:14 |
| lardman | you know what they say about too much pron | 14:14 |
| lardman | ;) | 14:14 |
| w00t | power saving is off, going to test again | 14:14 |
| lcukn900 | heh | 14:15 |
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| andre__ | hmm, I always mix up psm with pms. | 14:15 |
| w00t | heh | 14:15 |
| w00t | power saving off, it loaded | 14:15 |
| w00t | let's try on, but not max | 14:15 |
| lcukn900 | i had to get my stickout in the airport | 14:15 |
| lcukn900 | grrr at xchat | 14:15 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: are there lists of which routers have issues anywhere? might be wise to add this one if so | 14:15 |
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| w00t | still seems to work with it to on but not max | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: so you think your gf has power management issues? | 14:17 |
| Corsac | w00t: on the end of the wiki page | 14:17 |
| w00t | Corsac: doj, i'm blind | 14:17 |
| w00t | *doh | 14:17 |
| Corsac | but there are only two at that time (and I just added the second so...) | 14:17 |
| w00t | thanks | 14:17 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps: not anymore since I've installed the new version. battery life is also better, she's up two hours longer in the evening | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:18 |
| lcukn900 | boarding | 14:20 |
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| frals_ | thats some long 5minutes lcuk :D | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | finnair? | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:20 |
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| lcukn900 | ok will cyas later | 14:22 |
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| thomasvs | how long does it take after registering on garage to be able to register on maemo.org for barcelona long weekend ? | 14:23 |
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| thomasvs | it's obviously longer than a few minutes, but ... | 14:23 |
| zaheerm | thomasvs, give it an hour... | 14:23 |
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| wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/nokia-offers-sneak-peak-at-improved-symbian-user-experience/ | 14:26 |
| wazd | why do they have that boring 3-yo kid photoshop devices for presentations | 14:27 |
| RST38h | wazd: this does look like slightly rehashed S60e5 though | 14:28 |
| arachnist | "improved" and "symbian" in one sentence? :P | 14:28 |
| ShadowJK | I know how to improve symbian | 14:28 |
| ShadowJK | it involves napalm | 14:28 |
| wazd | I've made my e900 in like 1.5 hours and it definitely looks more reallistic | 14:28 |
| wazd | RST38h: you mean "boring" :) | 14:29 |
| ShadowJK | e900 was awesome :) | 14:29 |
| RST38h | wazd: well, dunno, I would go with "utilitarian" :) | 14:30 |
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| wazd | ShadowJK: well, not as good as it can be, but I've no 3d modelling skills so :) | 14:30 |
| wazd | RST38h: they want to make a UI for 2010 that already existed in 2007 | 14:30 |
| wazd | RST38h: that's kinda boring | 14:31 |
| ShadowJK | you need to come up with a "N930" ;-) | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | naah. N1 | 14:31 |
| arachnist | hmm | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | or does that exist already.. | 14:32 |
| Corsac | n1k? | 14:32 |
| arachnist | xchat on n900 has no [tab] :/ | 14:32 |
| ShadowJK | Wasn't that the chinese thingy.. | 14:32 |
| ShadowJK | arachnist, does ctrl-i work? | 14:32 |
| wazd | ShadowJK: the only things that I need to come up with are some more hands for my body :) | 14:32 |
| arachnist | hmm | 14:32 |
| arachnist | shadowjk: doesn't seem se | 14:33 |
| arachnist | so* | 14:33 |
| ShadowJK | oh well :/ | 14:33 |
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| ShadowJK | nick complete is a configurable shortcut in xchat... | 14:34 |
| ShadowJK | but the preferences don't work on n900 | 14:34 |
| arachnist | yeah, it crashed for me after exiting them | 14:34 |
| arachnist | i could just edit the config with vim, but oh well | 14:35 |
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| Robot101 | lardman: the location support is there in the backend, yes | 14:35 |
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| Robot101 | you gave me a nice idea for an enhancement bug though :) | 14:36 |
| lardman | Robot101: and currently on the device? | 14:36 |
| Robot101 | yes on the device, nothing sets it though | 14:36 |
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| lardman | oh right :) | 14:36 |
| * Stskeeps wonders why a msn authorisation request's msn addy ended up changing my MSN scren name | 14:36 | |
| lardman | Robot101: what's your enhancement bug #? | 14:37 |
| Robot101 | I didn't file anything | 14:37 |
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| zaheerm | yet.. | 14:37 |
| lardman | what was the idea then? | 14:38 |
| lardman | promise I won't steal it to get an orange t-shirt :) | 14:38 |
| Robot101 | that the built-in thing could also publish your location via pep | 14:38 |
| Robot101 | should be only a few lines to change/add | 14:38 |
| lardman | Personal Eventing Protocol ? | 14:39 |
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| Robot101 | pep is the general mechanism used by stuff like xep-0080 | 14:42 |
| lardman | ok | 14:42 |
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| lardman | so why not just use the xep-0080 stuff? | 14:44 |
| lardman | or are you talking about how to display that? | 14:44 |
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| Robot101 | I'm saying the device should set it if your server supports it | 14:46 |
| lardman | ah ok | 14:47 |
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| lardman | sounds good to me :) | 14:47 |
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| Robot101 | that at least lets someone plug in a nice ui at the other end | 14:47 |
| lardman | indeed | 14:47 |
| Robot101 | but, you can probably find an api on the device which takes location strings and gives you lat/long too | 14:48 |
| arachnist | and it seems like url handler seems to crash xchat | 14:48 |
| lardman | the other thing that would be nice is fixing the current getlocation method for the text data | 14:48 |
| Robot101 | the presence ui uses the reverse feature | 14:48 |
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| lardman | Robot101: no, whatever the presence ui uses seems to be closed | 14:48 |
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| Robot101 | that doesn't mean you can't figure out how to use it... :P | 14:49 |
| lardman | true, but I do have better things to be doing than reverse engineering random binaries | 14:49 |
| Robot101 | well, I can't reverse engineer it, I've got the source | 14:50 |
| lardman | I settled on using geonames | 14:50 |
| Robot101 | I'll see if we can get a patch in to set the xep0080 stuff, but apparently the relevant code is hairy | 14:51 |
| lardman | iirc osso_abook_presence_get_location_string() is broken | 14:51 |
| lardman | and I've also noticed that no matter what accuracy I ask for, I always get a town name, nothing more precise | 14:51 |
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| lardman | in the display that is | 14:51 |
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| lardman | so at this point I've sort of stopped work on my Emerillon plugin as it's not really going to be very useful anyway | 14:54 |
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| sivang | hi | 15:06 |
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| lizardo | jrocha: I made a few updates to the FAQ: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/faq.html , do you think know the information is enough to handle the "use python2.5" kind of issues ? | 15:07 |
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| lizardo | s/know/now/ | 15:07 |
| infobot | lizardo meant: jrocha: I made a few updates to the FAQ: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/faq.html , do you think now the information is enough to handle the "use python2.5" kind of issues ? | 15:08 |
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| pyhimys | Where are the sharing accounts' information stored? ~/.sharing ? | 15:14 |
| pyhimys | I'm having trouble setting up the pixelpipe account. | 15:15 |
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| pyhimys | no, wasn't theer | 15:17 |
| pyhimys | s/er/re/ | 15:17 |
| infobot | pyhimys meant: no, wasn't there | 15:17 |
| jrocha | lizardo, I was having lunch | 15:18 |
| jrocha | lizardo, I'll have a coffee now and when I come back I can take a look and give you my opinion | 15:18 |
| lizardo | jrocha: sure , take your time ;) | 15:19 |
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| jrocha | lizardo, back | 15:36 |
| jrocha | lizardo, about the FAQ, it is obviously much better than before ;) | 15:37 |
| jrocha | lizardo, but maybe instead of exporting the vars, one should call them only relative to the command | 15:37 |
| jrocha | so we don't screw up eventual further operations the user might do with SB | 15:38 |
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| Hoxzer_ | Anybody here has N900 ? | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | many | 15:43 |
| yannj | yep | 15:43 |
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| Hoxzer_ | :) Cool. yannj: Have you tried any bash scripts on it ? | 15:43 |
| esaym153 | howdy. Anyone have an extra micro sd to mini sd adaptor that I can have? lol | 15:43 |
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| esaym153 | I though the nokia took micro so that is what I bought | 15:44 |
| yannj | yes, but the default shell isn't bash | 15:44 |
| Flandry | why is that anyway | 15:44 |
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| Hoxzer_ | yannj: Can it be changed? | 15:44 |
| Flandry | and how much does it differ | 15:44 |
| yannj | Hoxzer_: don't know, but you can install bash | 15:44 |
| Hoxzer_ | :) Cool. Becasue I have noticed that many of my scripts only work with bash. o-O | 15:45 |
| Hoxzer_ | Second question. yannj: is X11 forward supported ? | 15:45 |
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| lizardo | jrocha: the problem with not exporting the vars is for those who use CDBS, you don't have the commands explicitely on debian/rules :/ | 15:45 |
| jrocha | ah frak! | 15:46 |
| tigert | Flandry: the shell is busybox (ash) | 15:46 |
| jrocha | lizardo, fair enough :) | 15:46 |
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| lizardo | jrocha: that's why I put the "if you have problems , ask on the list" so we handle the issues case by case | 15:46 |
| tigert | for size reasons | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | Hoxzer: if your scripts depend on bash, use #!/bin/bash | 15:46 |
| jrocha | lizardo, ok, perfect then | 15:46 |
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| sgbirch | Does anyone know if Nokia is going to add msn to the messaging clients on the n900? | 15:46 |
| lizardo | jaem: I know it sucks to not have a universal solution :( | 15:46 |
| lizardo | jrocha: ^ | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | sgbirch: there's telepathy-butterfly. no need for nokia to do it | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:46 |
| Hoxzer | Stskeeps: yeah yeah. I know | 15:47 |
| lizardo | (damn word completion) | 15:47 |
| tKMFDM | sgbirch, install telepathy-haze from extras | 15:47 |
| sgbirch | Stskeeps: tell me more (my daughter uses MSN, cant get her off) | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | or -haze | 15:47 |
| yannj | Hoxzer : X11 forwarding... I don't know | 15:47 |
| sgbirch | TWO?? wow, which is better? | 15:47 |
| tKMFDM | sgbirch, just load up your downloadable apps list when extras repo enabled and grab telepathy | 15:48 |
| tKMFDM | it will be in the list | 15:48 |
| yannj | Hoxzer : you may try via SSH | 15:48 |
| sgbirch | tKMFDM: did I mention I LOVE this thing. Still cant believe how good it is | 15:49 |
| Hoxzer | yannj: well. X11 forwarding is usually done via ssh. And I don't have n900 so I can't try it | 15:50 |
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| yannj | did you try using SDK | 15:50 |
| yannj | ? | 15:50 |
| Hoxzer | :\ haven't installed it. Is there emulator identical to the N900 ? | 15:50 |
| Flandry | yeah i'm not sure the sdk is going to help you answer that one | 15:51 |
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| zaheerm | kalikiana, ping | 15:51 |
| yannj | flandry : if you run SSH on the sdk, you can try X11 forwarding , right? | 15:51 |
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| Hoxzer | yannj: Have you tried to compile anything for n900, that wasn't orginally intended for mobile use | 15:51 |
| Hoxzer | ? | 15:52 |
| yannj | Hoxzer : I am trying to run pptp_client | 15:52 |
| Hoxzer | :-) | 15:52 |
| yannj | Hoxzer : I just compile the kernel module at this time | 15:52 |
| Flandry | yannj: sure, i'm just saying that i don't know if that will really answer the question of whether the N900 can do it | 15:52 |
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| Flandry | the SDK is an imperfect replication of an N900 by design | 15:53 |
| yannj | Flandry, Hoxzer : ok let me try the X11 forwarding | 15:53 |
| Hoxzer | ^_^ cool | 15:53 |
| sgbirch | tKMFDM: I cant see it from the apt manager! But apt-cache tells me it is there | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | sgbirch: there's a telepathy extra somehing | 15:54 |
| tKMFDM | sgbirch, do you have the extras-repo enabled? | 15:54 |
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| sgbirch | tKMFDM: sure .. and extras-testing | 15:54 |
| tKMFDM | you should be able to install it via apt-get as well if you have gainroot installed | 15:54 |
| Flandry | sgbirch: use apt-get. It's so much easier than HAM | 15:55 |
| Flandry | if you're into debian anyway | 15:55 |
| tKMFDM | yeah i pretty much exclusively use apt-get | 15:55 |
| sgbirch | Flandry: yes ... I prefer apt-get, but its good to see what the millions of Linux noobs will experience | 15:55 |
| Flandry | :) | 15:56 |
| sgbirch | Flandry: I am thinking there will be a flood, it is going to be be very interesting | 15:56 |
| Hoxzer | Only sad thing about N900 is the small display | 15:56 |
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| Flandry | i submitted a patch to make the description flow in the window instead of looking all unix-y like :P | 15:56 |
| yannj | small? | 15:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Hoxzer: yeah. I want one with a 35" display. | 15:56 |
| Flandry | lol | 15:57 |
| Hoxzer | Well, I want something that can just and just fit the pocket | 15:57 |
| |R | 35" is sooooo 2005 | 15:57 |
| |R | :P | 15:57 |
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| Flandry | my SDK display is 40" :D | 15:57 |
| rrr__ | I hate triangles they are so mean! | 15:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Hoxzer: yeah - personally - boosting the height and width by about 20% would be about perfect for me | 15:57 |
| sgbirch | Hoxzer: seems ok to me. When I am at my desk I use vnc to pop the N900 on my desk | 15:58 |
| SpeedEvil | (of the whole device) | 15:58 |
| Flandry | rrr__: you should really look out for the lines then. Sharp and temperamental | 15:58 |
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| sgbirch | which is more popular -hayes or -salut? | 15:58 |
| sgbirch | haze* | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | salut or something else | 15:59 |
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| rrr__ | maybe the quads are friendlier! | 16:00 |
| Hoxzer | sgbirch: :/ I believe that NX would be faster | 16:01 |
| sgbirch | Hoxzer: NX? | 16:01 |
| Hoxzer | Not sure it will work on N900 though. :) | 16:01 |
| Hoxzer | sgbirch: nomachine | 16:01 |
| sgbirch | Hoxzer: k | 16:01 |
| Hoxzer | I haven't tried to connect to the physical dekstop with it though. Dunno if it is even possible O_o | 16:01 |
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| yannj | Hoxzer : I don't make it works at this time (X11) | 16:03 |
| Hoxzer | yannj: :( Awww | 16:03 |
| Flandry | hmm | 16:04 |
| Flandry | thanks for trying | 16:04 |
| yannj | but I 'm running the ssh default config | 16:04 |
| Hoxzer | I was so expecting to have Maple running on my N900 | 16:04 |
| yannj | I'll check | 16:04 |
| Hoxzer | would be teh ultimate calculator | 16:04 |
| * Flandry has bad memories of maple assignments in ODEs class | 16:04 | |
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| Hoxzer | :\ Personally I rarely even use a pocket calculator as it is never allowed on math exams | 16:05 |
| Hoxzer | so it is either maple or matlab for me :) | 16:06 |
| javispedro | so, use gnu octave (matlab) | 16:06 |
| Flandry | i use my current dumb phone all the time in the lab | 16:06 |
| lardman|home | javispedro: I was going to build that the other day | 16:06 |
| Flandry | octave would be cool | 16:07 |
| lardman|home | but thought I'd do Qalculate! first | 16:07 |
| lardman|home | but got stuck working out how to add hildon-1 to the Makefile.am | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | PKG_CONFIG? | 16:07 |
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| lardman|home | wasn't one of those in there | 16:07 |
| javispedro | you'd have to add it to configure.ac | 16:08 |
| lardman|home | ah, ok | 16:08 |
| javispedro | (or so I think) | 16:08 |
| lardman|home | ah well perhaps at the weekend if I get time | 16:08 |
| lardman|home | though cln failed to build for some reason | 16:08 |
| lardman|home | so perhaps I should just get on with octave | 16:08 |
| javispedro | I think octave will be harder | 16:08 |
| javispedro | iiirc due to the sheer number of deps | 16:09 |
| lardman|home | well I'll remove most of the ones Debian has in there | 16:09 |
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| Flandry | yeah i expect that to be a maze of depends | 16:10 |
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| yannj | does someone know the name of "xterm" in maemo | 16:11 |
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| javispedro | osso-xterm in diablo at least | 16:11 |
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| divinegod | Hello everybody! | 16:12 |
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| Stskeeps | another dane.. | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:12 |
| divinegod | yeah.. Got my phone yesterday.. It's really nice. | 16:12 |
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| divinegod | though I think i might have b0rked it just a bit.. Hermes is throwing a tantrum saying that it cannot write mode P as JPEG. | 16:13 |
| javispedro | hm... so, when connecting the N900 to a usb host does it show a dialog where the user can choose between mass storage / pc suite modes? | 16:14 |
| javispedro | what if that does not appear? | 16:14 |
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| timelys | You're in trouble | 16:15 |
| yannj | well I am not able to x11 forward... perhaps due cause of my client (xming) | 16:15 |
| javispedro | ah, interesting. | 16:15 |
| Hoxzer | Okies ;__; | 16:15 |
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| timelys | If it's smart it decide not to if it detects your emmc is in use | 16:16 |
| timelys | But does it show charging? | 16:17 |
| el_zilcho | when that didn't show up for me, i unplugged it, opened the keyboard and replugged it back in and the dialog showed up | 16:17 |
| javispedro | timelys: seems so (this is "remote debugging" so...) | 16:17 |
| sgbirch | hmmm ... extras-testing no longer in hildon-application-manager. Does something remove it? | 16:18 |
| lardman|home | el_zilcho: mine doesn't show up sometimes | 16:18 |
| lardman|home | unplug then replug and it works | 16:18 |
| el_zilcho | coworker is trying to use some fancy battery charger for his r/c stuff to recharge my battery so i can try to unbrick it again :) | 16:18 |
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| timelys | I don't think testing is ever in by default | 16:18 |
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| sgbirch | timelys: I added it before using vi, something removed it! | 16:19 |
| timelys | Oh | 16:19 |
| timelys | User error | 16:19 |
| javispedro | user probably edited hildon-app-mgr.list | 16:20 |
| javispedro | ;) | 16:20 |
| timelys | The file you edited is automatically generated | 16:20 |
| timelys | Create your own file | 16:20 |
| sgbirch | timelys: ahhhh .. where should it go? | 16:20 |
| timelys | File.list | 16:20 |
| sgbirch | timelys: Got it ... thx | 16:20 |
| timelys | As a sibling | 16:20 |
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| timelys | Any name, the extension is what counts | 16:21 |
| sgbirch | should it be in /etc/apt or /etc/apt/sources.list..d | 16:21 |
| javispedro | the latter one, which actually is /etc/apt/sources.list.d | 16:22 |
| timelys | The latter without the typo | 16:22 |
| sgbirch | timelys: :-) thanks | 16:22 |
| redeeman | is there any way to check the battery status while charging, so i deduce how long theres left, on N900? | 16:22 |
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| timelys | No | 16:22 |
| redeeman | obviously theres something, as it knows when its done | 16:23 |
| flux | redeeman, I don't actually know, but in principle you could have information what the level was before charging and how long you've been charging | 16:23 |
| plr_ | is desktop widget able to register long press apart from press | 16:23 |
| flux | 'when it's done' could be implemented by other means | 16:23 |
| redeeman | true but it seems unlikely it is | 16:23 |
| redeeman | since it also knows level while discharging | 16:24 |
| flux | atleast it cannot measure the battery voltage (unless it does it periodically?) because that would be the same as the charging voltage | 16:24 |
| lardman|home | anyone know about problems with osso_get_dbus_connection() under Diablo? | 16:24 |
| timelys | I believe done is a core don't dry me service | 16:24 |
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| timelys | Err fry | 16:24 |
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| timelys | T9 :-( | 16:24 |
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| lardman|home | flux: the Zaurus used to charge, then measure, then charge, etc | 16:25 |
| flux | can n900 do that? disable charging in software? | 16:25 |
| Flandry | i doubt the criterion that the charger uses for detecting full is amenable to percentage charge time calcs | 16:25 |
| flux | if so, it'd be implementable.. | 16:25 |
| lardman|home | I presume so, but we don't know how the hw works | 16:26 |
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| lardman|home | hey hrw | 16:26 |
| redeeman | Flandry: i suspect the charging is somewhat linear, it is on normal batteries | 16:26 |
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| javispedro | depending on the battery charging->measure->charge->measure will give bogus data | 16:26 |
| redeeman | and i see no reason i should be able to make an educated guess if i should get some data | 16:26 |
| lardman|home | ~curse maemo.org for being so sloooooowwwwww | 16:26 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, maemo.org for being so sloooooowwwwww ! | 16:26 |
| PaulFertser | What is the reason nokia didn't integrate something like modern battery gas gauge sensors in n900? They're damn cheap, used in many laptops and handy for users. | 16:26 |
| jebbajeb1 | Uh, is there a default device lock code? | 16:26 |
| PaulFertser | Even openmoko freerunner has bq27000! | 16:27 |
| hrw | re | 16:27 |
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| plr_ | I think a shortcut for switching between last open and open app would be useful | 16:27 |
| plr_ | instead of having to open the dashboard and picking the right app everytime | 16:28 |
| timelys | No | 16:28 |
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| timelys | That'd be suprise me | 16:29 |
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| timelys | Surprise | 16:29 |
| timelys | Often chat or mail or phone or clock | 16:30 |
| timelys | But not when you want them | 16:30 |
| zaheerm | lizardo, the pygobject in maemo does it have the pygi patches in so pygi can be built? | 16:31 |
| Flandry | lithium cells don't have the the problem is that lithium batteries don't really have a linear voltage to charge level relationship, so it's not simply a case of "stop and check the voltage" | 16:31 |
| Flandry | oops :P | 16:32 |
| Flandry | half filnished the thought before i left sorry | 16:32 |
| lizardo | zaheerm: not without recompiling pygobject, but I should warn you the me plus the guy working on GUPnP binding are working on this | 16:32 |
| lizardo | zaheerm: I mean, I plan to get the pygi packages from Debian and make them work on fremantle | 16:32 |
| zaheerm | lizardo, great at least you're working on it! | 16:33 |
| lizardo | zaheerm: (in my spare time, to make it clear :) | 16:33 |
| zaheerm | when do you think you'd have a pygobject + pygi package? | 16:33 |
| jebbajeb1 | ah 12345 :) | 16:33 |
| zaheerm | let me know if you need a hand :) | 16:33 |
| lizardo | zaheerm: no short term plans, it is not part of my "official" PyMaemo work (yet) :) but I should give some time to it still this week | 16:34 |
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| lizardo | zaheerm: but the good news is that I already made PyGi work on fremantle some time ago, with a tiny patch to PyGI | 16:34 |
| fiferboy | Qt actually built for me under ARMEL!!! | 16:34 |
| Flandry | reinventing the wheel are we? :D | 16:35 |
| zaheerm | lizardo, awesome, i want to use it in combination with libgdata's soon to appear introspection for zoutube | 16:35 |
| PaulFertser | Flandry: non-linearity shouldn't be much of a problem, you can do more complex approximations. And i think if you prepare a separate voltage/charge table for CC charging, it'll be ok for most usecases. | 16:35 |
| lizardo | zaheerm: I wonder whether the existing python-gdata binding (never used myself, it is not part of PyMaemo) does not serve for you? | 16:36 |
| Flandry | yeah sorry i didn't mean non-linear, i meant indirect | 16:36 |
| Flandry | ie stronger than nonlinear | 16:36 |
| zaheerm | lizardo, i like the api in libgdata better to be honest | 16:36 |
| Flandry | at 4.2 V you reall have no idea what the charge level is within a large margin | 16:37 |
| zaheerm | lizardo, currently i do xml parsing with elementtree for the atom stuff, which is ok but i want to clean that up.. | 16:37 |
| PaulFertser | Flandry: who cares about that loosy 20% :) | 16:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Unless you have kept track of the battery volts - and know how long it's been at 4.2V | 16:37 |
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| Flandry | heh fair enough | 16:37 |
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| Flandry | that's assuming an identical charge time which is impossible | 16:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | Flandry: nope. | 16:38 |
| Flandry | approximations, but good ones | 16:38 |
| PaulFertser | Flandry: anyway i think suppressing charge level indication altogether is worse then giving a rough estimate. | 16:38 |
| Flandry | i agree | 16:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Flandry: the battery is slowly charged to 4.2V - in constant current mode. | 16:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Flandry: then it is charged for a timed period in constant voltage mode - at 4.2V | 16:38 |
| Flandry | time period isn't the right way to do it | 16:39 |
| PaulFertser | Flandry: the fact we agree means nothing here :( | 16:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Flandry: the charge acceptance during this phase pretty much largely depends on battery condition and temperature | 16:39 |
| lizardo | zaheerm: it would be nice if you could join efforts with PyGI guys then and begin writting the GIR information for GData :) | 16:39 |
| SpeedEvil | no - timed period, and current dropping to a limit is the right way. | 16:39 |
| Flandry | right | 16:39 |
| lizardo | zaheerm: unless it already exists ? | 16:39 |
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| PaulFertser | The right way would be nokia integrating bq27000 in their flagman device :| And shipping with mainline kernel. And debian preinstalled :) | 16:40 |
| zaheerm | lizardo, philip has got it almost working on git master of libgdata | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | I've yet to find where - if any - the vattery voltage and whatever nodes are for n900 | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | battery voltage and current draw would be nice | 16:40 |
| Flandry | hmm there's no api at all then? | 16:41 |
| lizardo | zaheerm: good to know :) I'm watching #pygi on irc.gimp.org BTW | 16:41 |
| Flandry | i thought i remembered seeing an app that measured power draw | 16:41 |
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| zaheerm | lizardo, didn't know such a channel existed :) | 16:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | Flandry: I haven't done as much investigating as I would like. This week I have been mostly raking leaves. | 16:42 |
| lizardo | zaheerm: neither am I , until two days ago :) | 16:42 |
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| Flandry | lots of leaves to be raked around here, too | 16:43 |
| Flandry | which is odd, since we usually have had a bit of snow fall by now | 16:44 |
| zaheerm | lizardo, http://git.gnome.org/cgit/libgdata/commit/?id=a3ad67db38082514cc85891df305369b3ba7ed98 | 16:44 |
| lizardo | zaheerm: nice, you can get that ported to maemo5 is alrady 50% of work done :) | 16:45 |
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| zaheerm | lizardo, already made a package :) | 16:45 |
| lizardo | zaheerm: is it in extras-devel ? | 16:46 |
| zaheerm | lizardo, just need to clean it up a bit before pushing it | 16:46 |
| lizardo | zaheerm: ah ok | 16:46 |
| zaheerm | lizardo, not yet, but will be by end of maemo long weekend bcn i think :) | 16:46 |
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| zaheerm | lizardo, using it for a c++ app to do gcal sync with fremantle calendar | 16:46 |
| lardman|home | anyone know if there's a GTK+ utility fn to open an image file and return e.g. a pixbuf? | 16:48 |
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| fiferboy | lardman|home: There is. Probably in gdkpixbuf, I'll look it up | 16:49 |
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| lardman|home | I can look np, thanks for the pointer | 16:49 |
| derf | gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file | 16:49 |
| lardman|home | ah cool, thanks | 16:49 |
| fiferboy | lardman|home: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdk-pixbuf/unstable/gdk-pixbuf-file-loading.html | 16:49 |
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| lardman|home | thanks chaps | 16:50 |
| hrw | question: does Maemo5 support SyncML syncing? | 16:50 |
| zaheerm | hrw, over usb and bluetooth i think | 16:51 |
| hrw | zaheerm: not over http? | 16:51 |
| zaheerm | hrw, not over ip | 16:51 |
| zaheerm | no | 16:51 |
| hrw | zaheerm: I need to sync with ScheduleWorld | 16:51 |
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| zaheerm | hrw, you'll have to write your own backend to the calendar-backend in fremantle for one of the syncml libs around | 16:52 |
| hrw | zaheerm: I prefer to rather report bug for it and complain to nokia | 16:52 |
| lopz | hi ;=} | 16:52 |
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| zaheerm | hrw, and wait for them to listen? :) | 16:53 |
| hrw | zaheerm: after playing with opensync and syncml I prefer to not touch it anymore | 16:53 |
| zaheerm | :) | 16:54 |
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| hrw | opensync is everything but usable | 16:54 |
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| lardman|home | ok another pixbif question, if I load some image using gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file(), I can ask the pixbuf what the data is, presumably there's a way of converting it? | 16:59 |
| lardman|home | or rather a fn to do it rather than manually? | 16:59 |
| lardman|home | e.g. RGB -> greyscale, etc | 16:59 |
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| lardman|home | ah, I see only RGB is supported, so a moot point | 17:02 |
| divinegod | does extras-testing update some critical library that makes Hermes unusable? "Something went wrong: cannot write mode P as JPEG" - error | 17:02 |
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| fiferboy | lardman|home: For greyscale you can look at gdk_pixbuf_saturate_and_pixelate | 17:03 |
| fiferboy | http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdk-pixbuf/unstable/gdk-pixbuf-util.html#gdk-pixbuf-saturate-and-pixelate | 17:03 |
| lardman|home | hmm, thanks | 17:04 |
| lardman|home | but still in RGB form I guess | 17:04 |
| fiferboy | lardman|home: Yes | 17:05 |
| lardman|home | I need a 8bit-per-pixel buffer | 17:05 |
| lardman|home | I'll have to extract the data so I'll convert it on the fly too | 17:05 |
| derf | lardman|home: Are you just trying to load an image to pass to zbar et al.? | 17:05 |
| lardman|home | yrp | 17:05 |
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| lardman|home | I know zbar can accept different colour formats | 17:06 |
| lardman|home | was hoping to not alter that code too much though | 17:06 |
| zaheerm | lardman|home, use gstreamer to convert it for you | 17:06 |
| lardman|home | but might be easier and quicker that way tbh | 17:06 |
| lardman|home | zaheerm: hmm, I'd prefer to not setup and run another gst pipeline | 17:06 |
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| lardman|home | pixbufs contain alpha data too do they? | 17:09 |
| lardman|home | so it's RGBA? | 17:09 |
| fiferboy | lardman|home: They don't necessarily | 17:09 |
| lardman|home | ah ok | 17:09 |
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| lardman|home | will have to ask it then I guess | 17:09 |
| fiferboy | You can set them up to, or add alpha to an RGB pixbuf | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | philosophical question: does flashing a N900 void warranty | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 17:10 |
| * mgedmin guesses not | 17:10 | |
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| lcukn900 | no, but it might scare it. to be safve, keep your clothes on | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | oi | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:11 |
| sgbirch | Stskeeps: I doubt it, Nokia has made the N900 geek friendly on purpose. God bless them. | 17:11 |
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| lardman|home | Stskeeps: depends if the fault is with the hw or sw perhaps? | 17:11 |
| lcukn900 | stskeeps since flashing is described as a repair merhod for basicaally any device i dont see how it could. | 17:11 |
| lcukn900 | but it might if you flash a none official fw on some devices | 17:11 |
| lcukn900 | archos for example | 17:12 |
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| * SpeedEvil wishes for ubergeek friendly. | 17:13 | |
| SpeedEvil | I2C, 3.3V, and 1cc of space in the phone would be cool. | 17:13 |
| SpeedEvil | but... | 17:13 |
| lcukn900 | and 20percent by volume | 17:14 |
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| w00t | i think we just broke a record | 17:17 |
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| w00t | from brand new n900 to fucked up and reflashed in under 3 hours | 17:17 |
| w00t | (thanks to Stskeeps for his help) | 17:17 |
| javispedro | flashing voids warranty? dealbreaker! | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: i broke my CMT in first attempt | 17:17 |
| javispedro | oops, I have no warranty either way | 17:17 |
| w00t | javispedro: hahaha. | 17:17 |
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| julianoliver | wow.. look at all the new OMAP love in 2.6.32: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_32 ! | 17:18 |
| javispedro | even though I have to wonder why people reflash so much? | 17:18 |
| julianoliver | see 13.1. Graphics | 17:18 |
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| w00t | javispedro: we screwed it up somehow | 17:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Are there bluetooth heartrate monitoring watches? | 17:23 |
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| |R | SpeedEvil: that would take you heart rate from the wrist? | 17:26 |
| zaheerm | w00t, what did you do? :) | 17:26 |
| w00t | zaheerm: my better half did something weird. | 17:26 |
| w00t | not exactly sure what :) | 17:26 |
| zaheerm | w00t, and the symptoms? | 17:26 |
| w00t | black screen on startup | 17:27 |
| w00t | i.e. unbootable, basically | 17:27 |
| zaheerm | wow | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | after dots that is | 17:28 |
| w00t | i'm sure it's something stupid on our part, I think I might have a go at trying to reproduce it later | 17:28 |
| zaheerm | did she have root access? | 17:28 |
| w00t | (this really makes me wish I had a spare one to break :)) | 17:29 |
| w00t | zaheerm: no | 17:29 |
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| zaheerm | so that is bad, that she managed to break it | 17:29 |
| w00t | my best guess is that she had it on usb | 17:29 |
| w00t | powered it down | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | usb charger or usb computer? | 17:29 |
| w00t | it rebooted sorta kinda (due to usb cable connected) | 17:29 |
| w00t | she pulled the battery out | 17:30 |
| w00t | -> boink | 17:30 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: usb computer | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | ick | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i guess that could cause it | 17:30 |
| w00t | yeah, now you see why i think that may be the scenario | 17:30 |
| w00t | the fun i had with it on usb made me think of that | 17:31 |
| SpeedEvil | |R: yes | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: especially due to mass storage showing up in actdead it might be a little odd | 17:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | |R: I'm having real problems working out how many calories random activities burn - and it would greatly help with my diet. (with some sort of tracker in the n900 too) | 17:32 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: worth a report if I can reproduce it? | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: right | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: you probably need something that tries to automount it | 17:33 |
| |R | SpeedEvil: from what i saw / understand and sellers i've talked too, wrist measurement would be really unreliable so you need those chest strap... :/ | 17:33 |
| |R | too/to | 17:33 |
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| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Don't forget to sell the car too | 17:33 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: *nod* | 17:33 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: ? | 17:33 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Diet alone won't do it =) | 17:33 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: It will. | 17:34 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: I am ~8.5Kg down since Oct 20. | 17:34 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm having problems keeping it at 1Kg/week. | 17:34 |
| zaheerm | 1kg a week is a lot | 17:35 |
| RST38h | Wow | 17:35 |
| RST38h | Isn't that bad for your health to go at this rate? | 17:35 |
| eMHa | at first youn loose water | 17:35 |
| eMHa | this is not good for your health | 17:35 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: yes - I am eating 500 calories/day or so more than I was - ~1900Kc now. (before any due to excersize) | 17:36 |
| SpeedEvil | |R: Hmm - maybe, I hadn't considered that, possible. | 17:36 |
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| * eMHa thinks is in wrong channel? | 17:37 | |
| javispedro | this is never the right channel | 17:37 |
| SpeedEvil | I was originally looking for a BT device to hook up to n900 | 17:37 |
| SpeedEvil | so not quite | 17:37 |
| Flandry | lol | 17:37 |
| eMHa | lol | 17:37 |
| SpeedEvil | A good integrated diet and excersize app, that understood product barcodes would be very cool. | 17:38 |
| eMHa | i'm still waiting for my N900 :-/ | 17:38 |
| eMHa | so i can talk about diets ;-) | 17:38 |
| Klowner | eMHa: I just sent mine back yesterday :( | 17:38 |
| eMHa | bt should work with e.g. your computer | 17:38 |
| eMHa | Klowner: shit, what happened? | 17:39 |
| |R | SpeedEvil: The nice thing with watch though would be constant wearability and even Caller ID hehe ;) | 17:39 |
| Klowner | eMHa: mic was dead | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | eMHa: yes - but I will be using it around the garden. | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | eMHa: and accelerometer added in would be good too. (from phone) | 17:39 |
| eMHa | Klowner: f***, i hope mine will be good | 17:39 |
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| |R | SpeedEvil: there was a thread on this on t.m.o | 17:39 |
| eMHa | seems a lot of people have the mic problem | 17:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | |R: te mic you mean? | 17:40 |
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| |R | SpeedEvil: no the search for a heart monitor / rate / BT | 17:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah | 17:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | |R: I couldn't really afford n900 - so I decided that to pay for it, I'd start a diet with actual planned meals. This has slashed my food bills - though I do now need new jeans at some point. | 17:41 |
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| bilboed-pi | anyone has any details regarding where exactly the bar meetup is this evening in barcelona ? | 17:41 |
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| eMHa | the mic thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35075 | 17:41 |
| w00t | is there a way to find out the % charge of the battery? | 17:42 |
| |R | SpeedEvil: hehe nice plan :) | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: lshal | 17:42 |
| w00t | the tiny icon isn't a very good indicator | 17:42 |
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| Stskeeps | lo TomaszD | 17:42 |
| TomaszD | wooo | 17:42 |
| eMHa | w00t: possible something in /proc or /sys ? | 17:42 |
| TomaszD | free wifi at mcdonalds haha | 17:42 |
| |R | SpeedEvil: in my case i live in Canada and so it's very hard to get beyond overpriced eBay sells :| | 17:42 |
| SpeedEvil | eMHa: I haven't found any. | 17:43 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: dear god that is a lot of output | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: oh, | grep battery | 17:43 |
| SpeedEvil | w00t: | 17:43 |
| w00t | yeah | 17:43 |
| w00t | searching for my pipe char :P | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: bcn good? | 17:43 |
| TomaszD | bcn? | 17:43 |
| javispedro | barcelona :P | 17:43 |
| Flandry | lol | 17:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Oooh - thanks Stskeeps | 17:43 |
| TomaszD | oh lol | 17:43 |
| * Flandry hasn't seen w00t's pipe | 17:44 | |
| TomaszD | very nice and warm | 17:44 |
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| TomaszD | nice weather | 17:44 |
| eMHa | help for pip: | | 17:44 |
| TomaszD | hotel is nice | 17:44 |
| eMHa | copy&paste ;-) | 17:44 |
| javispedro | "hal-device bme" woorks too | 17:44 |
| javispedro | and no pipe required | 17:44 |
| zaheerm | TomaszD, great | 17:44 |
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| TomaszD | anyone here as well? | 17:45 |
| eMHa | w00t: is acpi installed on the n900? if yes, try "acpi -V" | 17:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | no ehma | 17:45 |
| zaheerm | TomaszD, i go to the airport in an hr | 17:45 |
| SpeedEvil | eMHa: no ACPI at all | 17:45 |
| eMHa | hm, bad | 17:45 |
| eMHa | apm? | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: freezing here in .pl | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:45 |
| javispedro | no acpi no apm, what do you expect? | 17:45 |
| TomaszD | zaheerm you're coming? awesome | 17:45 |
| jebbajeb | I just wrote up a bunch of notes, fwiw: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba | 17:46 |
| eMHa | i expect a linux phone :-D | 17:46 |
| SpeedEvil | ACPI is really an x86/PC thing mostly. | 17:46 |
| SpeedEvil | As is APM | 17:46 |
| TomaszD | what's your real name zaheerm? | 17:46 |
| zaheerm | TomaszD, yep i arrive same time as thp does | 17:46 |
| zaheerm | TomaszD, Zaheer | 17:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | (PC in the sense of desktop hardware) | 17:46 |
| eMHa | SpeedEvil: ok, don't have much experience with the ARM | 17:46 |
| TomaszD | zaheerm ok | 17:46 |
| bilboed-pi | TomaszD, any idea which bar we're meeting up in maremagnum ? | 17:46 |
| zaheerm | bilboed-pi, i guess just keep check t.m.o | 17:46 |
| TomaszD | see you in the evening then | 17:46 |
| TomaszD | bilboed-pi no idea | 17:46 |
| eMHa | SpeedEvil: but hopefully i'll get some experience in some days... or wekks | 17:46 |
| bilboed-pi | zaheerm, forgot the thread | 17:47 |
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| Stskeeps | jebbajeb: impressive set of notes though | 17:48 |
| TomaszD | if anyone thinks people speak even basic english btw... | 17:48 |
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| javispedro | :) | 17:48 |
| TomaszD | let's just say... take your phrasebook | 17:48 |
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| TomaszD | I've been getting by using hand motions and it serves me well | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: i borrowed zenvoid for that purpose | 17:49 |
| jebbajeb | SpeedEvil: the Sharp Netwalker, a kind-of-similar-device, uses APM fwiw | 17:49 |
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| bilboed-pi | TomaszD, you'll find more english-speakers in the touristic areas, don't worry too much | 17:49 |
| jebbajeb | take your maemo english/spanish dict!!! oh, there is none? Someone quick package fantasdic or something :)))))) | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: it's good to know that mcdonalds will always serve you food | 17:50 |
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| TomaszD | the only two people who spoke english was the lady at the airport infopoint | 17:50 |
| TomaszD | and the guy in the hotel | 17:50 |
| javispedro | the night shift lady also spoke english | 17:51 |
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| TomaszD | stskeeps yeah, names of sandwitches are in english | 17:51 |
| TomaszD | but I barely managed to order fries... | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: wtf is "menu" and such not in english here.. | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:51 |
| TomaszD | patates something | 17:51 |
| javispedro | fregides in catalan, fritas in spanish | 17:52 |
| TomaszD | it says patates, I can see the menu from here | 17:52 |
| TomaszD | :P | 17:52 |
| javispedro | yeah, "patates fregides" ;) | 17:53 |
| TomaszD | yeah | 17:53 |
| javispedro | literally "fried potatoes" | 17:53 |
| hashier | has anybody used the mafw yet? | 17:53 |
| Klowner | frozen taters!? | 17:53 |
| Klowner | oh | 17:53 |
| javispedro | TomaszD: so you're in the shopping center near the hotel? | 17:53 |
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| javispedro | (don't worry for your safety, I don't plan to go there today ;) ) | 17:54 |
| ArlexA | Hi at all | 17:54 |
| javispedro | hiu | 17:54 |
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| TomaszD | javispedro lol I don't feel any threats | 17:55 |
| TomaszD | javispedro correct | 17:55 |
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| TomaszD | you're sending your agents after me? | 17:55 |
| javispedro | agents? I'm already sending the ICBMs | 17:55 |
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| TomaszD | I'm not giving my n900 to anyone! | 17:56 |
| TomaszD | oh | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: he has one | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 17:56 |
| TomaszD | no point in running then | 17:56 |
| javispedro | the n900 should be immune to those, doesn't it? | 17:56 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: no | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:56 |
| * RST38h releases the uranium-laden cockroaches onti TomaszD | 17:56 | |
| TomaszD | i hope it's immune to mcdonalds grease | 17:56 |
| * javispedro lookups the "N900 ICBM stress testing video" | 17:56 | |
| RST38h | Once they all arrive to the target, the critical mass will be exceeded and then BOOM! | 17:57 |
| Klowner | I wonder if there was a dim-witted assemblyline person that was jamming paperclips into the mic hole thinking it was the reset button | 17:57 |
| TomaszD | anyway, room 220 if anyone is looking for me | 17:57 |
| TomaszD | hahah | 17:57 |
| javispedro | har har | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | Klowner: that would make sense.. | 17:58 |
| javispedro | wi-fi on the hotel was around 40€ _per_ day? | 17:58 |
| javispedro | i remember reading that somewhere and it surprised me but I could be wrong | 17:58 |
| TomaszD | no idea, I'm afraid to ask | 17:58 |
| TomaszD | I'll check my mail here | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: sounds about as rape-ish as the amsterdam one | 17:58 |
| TomaszD | hope nobody is manipulating the stream | 17:58 |
| javispedro | TomaszD: there's a brochure right on reception's desk | 17:59 |
| javispedro | (about paid Wi-Fi I mean) | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: time to bring out iodine | 17:59 |
| sp3000 | a brochure? no wonder it's expensive ;) | 17:59 |
| TomaszD | it's probably an ssl honeypot this ap | 17:59 |
| hrw | hi TomaszD | 17:59 |
| TomaszD | but oh well | 17:59 |
| TomaszD | hey hrw | 17:59 |
| javispedro | brochure: a booklet of printed informational matter, like a pamphlet, often for promotional purposes. :P | 18:00 |
| TomaszD | I saw it on the reception desk | 18:00 |
| TomaszD | didn't mention price | 18:00 |
| hrw | TomaszD: got better usable Polish hw keymap? | 18:00 |
| TomaszD | hrw no | 18:00 |
| TomaszD | I'm in barcelona atm | 18:00 |
| hrw | ~curse DDP then | 18:00 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, DDP then ! | 18:00 |
| javispedro | ~curse DDP now | 18:00 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, DDP now ! | 18:00 |
| hrw | ~curse DDP again | 18:01 |
| hrw | :D | 18:01 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, DDP again ! | 18:01 |
| hrw | day without cursing DDP is wasted day | 18:01 |
| TomaszD | thp around? | 18:02 |
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| TomaszD | alright, I'm leaving this joint before I ruin the phone with grease | 18:03 |
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| TomaszD | see ya at citilab tomorrow | 18:03 |
| SpeedEvil | ... | 18:03 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders how the hell his stylus got in the washing up. | 18:04 | |
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| javispedro | see you | 18:04 |
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| tigert | @EFHK airport | 18:04 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: and there's only ONE stylus in the retail box now | 18:04 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: :/ | 18:04 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: It's stupid | 18:04 |
| javispedro | i wonder if "average number of spare stylus in retail boxes" is an indicator of the global economical crisis | 18:04 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: It will literally cost them $.08 or so. | 18:05 |
| tigert | who needs a stylus anyway? | 18:05 |
| hrw | tigert: I do | 18:05 |
| mgedmin | o/ | 18:05 |
| javispedro | every gadget I've bought was more expensive than the previous one and had less spare stylus | 18:05 |
| SpeedEvil | And I suspect that's high by a factor of several | 18:05 |
| tigert | styluses are so 1999 | 18:05 |
| * w00t notes he hasn't used the stylus in the past 4 hours of usage | 18:05 | |
| hrw | I have 5 touchscreens in range and just one styli | 18:05 |
| javispedro | tigert: go buy an iphone, you steve jobs follower! | 18:05 |
| w00t | I forgot it even had one | 18:05 |
| tigert | thumb is the new stylus :) | 18:05 |
| tigert | javispedro: I havent really used the stylus at all with my N900 | 18:06 |
| hrw | tigert: you did not mentioned n900 when asked ;D | 18:06 |
| tigert | you can have mine if you come to barcelona if you lost yours :) | 18:06 |
| javispedro | Come? I am at barcelona! | 18:07 |
| * javispedro is happy to have an spare stylus now | 18:07 | |
| javispedro | MWAHAHA | 18:07 |
| tigert | woot | 18:07 |
| tigert | :) | 18:07 |
| tigert | ok, poke me then | 18:07 |
| tigert | unless I lose this on the way there :) | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | i lost my n810 stylus in the car at some point and found it again a year later | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:07 |
| javispedro | I won't allow you to give your only stylus. it's immoral. | 18:07 |
| GAN900 | Ah, security theater. | 18:08 |
| GAN900 | Gotta love it. | 18:08 |
| javispedro | and there will be more. | 18:08 |
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| tigert | javispedro: i still would have two thumbs ;) | 18:08 |
| tigert | and they are sufficient for me | 18:08 |
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| tigert | hmm | 18:09 |
| bilboed-pi | tigert, you're coming to bcn ? | 18:09 |
| tigert | fennec and N810 actually makes a nice combo | 18:09 |
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| tigert | loaned one to a friend and he is psyched | 18:09 |
| tigert | bilboed-pi: yea | 18:09 |
| bilboed-pi | \o/ | 18:09 |
| GAN900 | tigert, I still prefer resistive and the only time my stylus comes out is for Mahjong. | 18:10 |
| tigert | yea | 18:12 |
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| tigert | resistive and fingernail = teh rock | 18:12 |
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| GAN900 | I really wish Nokia would use Stantum or something. | 18:12 |
| GAN900 | Otherwise I'll probably be finding another platform after Maemo 6. | 18:13 |
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| javispedro | i'm pretty sure they'll just use capactive | 18:15 |
| tigert | capacitive doesnt work with fingernails | 18:16 |
| javispedro | looking at the masses, I see that even those who loathe Jobs and the iPhone somehow also dislike stylus | 18:16 |
| tigert | that sucks :( | 18:16 |
| tigert | otherwise its nice | 18:16 |
| javispedro | even though it was El Jobs who started "the war against the stylus" (a pretty stupid war IMHO) | 18:17 |
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| range | But you have to have multitouch!!!!1111 | 18:17 |
| * Flandry declares "the war against Jobs" | 18:17 | |
| tigert | multitouch to do what? pinching photos? | 18:18 |
| tigert | :) | 18:18 |
| javispedro | pinching iphone users, that would be an interesting use case :) | 18:18 |
| tigert | how often you really need to sdo that :) | 18:18 |
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| Flandry | better control over fart apps | 18:18 |
| range | tigert: No idea. Never seen anyone do that. But by reading TMO one gets the notion that it is an absolute must. | 18:18 |
| tigert | yea | 18:19 |
| tigert | thats how managers make requirements | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | why though .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dC2qpDsgZU&feature=player_embedded | 18:19 |
| tigert | "must have multitouch" | 18:19 |
| tigert | ditto for the hordes of teh internet | 18:19 |
| tigert | ;) | 18:19 |
| tigert | DEALBREAKER ;) | 18:19 |
| range | :) | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | for next summit DEALBREAKER tshirt must be made | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:20 |
| tigert | yes! =) | 18:20 |
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| jebbajeb | gah, new vote on extra chars, but no TAB again | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | lo qwerty12 | 18:20 |
| javispedro | no t-shirt! dealbreaker! | 18:20 |
| qwerty12 | Hiya, Stskeeps | 18:20 |
| Flandry | Maemo: The DEALBREAKER | 18:20 |
| Flandry | sounds like a bad action movie | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | Flandry: if it caused traditional US telecom alliances to break up, i would call it a dealbreaker | 18:21 |
| Flandry | or professional wrestler | 18:21 |
| jebbajeb | qwerty12: someone mentioned yesterday you would be the one to suggest how to make a phone call from the command line or a shell script or whatever. Hints? | 18:22 |
| javispedro | so, someone puts a video of "drag to zoom", a feature that was already implemented in an uncountable number of palmos apps | 18:23 |
| javispedro | youtube comments? | 18:23 |
| javispedro | "let nokia know about this, call them nokia R&D!" | 18:23 |
| qwerty12 | jebbajeb: The dbus-send foo for bringing up the UI with a pre-defined number is in the IRC logs, somewhere. But, no, I don't know it myself | 18:23 |
| GAN900 | tigert, I keep hearing Maemo 6 will be so multitouch dependent that they can't manage an update for the N900. I can't even begin to fathom how irritating an interface will be. | 18:23 |
| jebbajeb | qwerty12: thx | 18:23 |
| javispedro | GAN900: it's been already described. imagine the whole OS being a pannable desktop, with widgets. no windows. | 18:24 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, nothing in that description requires multi. | 18:24 |
| javispedro | hm.. touché. | 18:25 |
| GAN900 | Truth be told, the whole idea sounds rather awful to me. | 18:25 |
| tigert | heh | 18:25 |
| tbf | i also would have to see this monster desktop live | 18:25 |
| Flandry | i agree | 18:25 |
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| tbf | right now i am really unconvinced | 18:25 |
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| GAN900 | Indeed | 18:26 |
| Flandry | stop at step 4 while we are ahead | 18:26 |
| GAN900 | Hehe | 18:26 |
| GAN900 | I wish Nokia would pursue both techs. | 18:26 |
| javispedro | that's what I plan to do if they keep on insisting in capacitive stuff either way | 18:26 |
| GAN900 | (there's a big Antonov parked out on the tarmac for some reason) | 18:27 |
| Flandry | is Nokia aware of this sentiment? | 18:27 |
| GAN900 | Both techs have their pros and cons. | 18:27 |
| tbf | i wonder if some crazy people will port maemo5 to maemo6 devices, if maemo6 should turn out to be the horror | 18:27 |
| GAN900 | Let the customer pick. | 18:27 |
| javispedro | tbf: like, my inner desire to see Diablo on N900? | 18:27 |
| GAN900 | Flandry, depends on how you define "Nokia" | 18:27 |
| FiSHBoY | Antonovs don't need a reason, they just look awesome and that's good enough. ;) | 18:27 |
| tbf | well, but maybe the guys doing that monster desktop are just brilliant and we'll also love this stuff | 18:28 |
| GAN900 | My bet is it comes from upper management | 18:28 |
| tbf | javispedro: seriously? | 18:28 |
| javispedro | I have to try :) | 18:28 |
| GAN900 | and has the approximate logic of "OMG MULTITOUCH!" | 18:28 |
| tbf | javispedro: oh. just 'cause you can. that's fine. | 18:28 |
| javispedro | I initially though Diablo's task switching approach was more efficient | 18:28 |
| tbf | javispedro: i already wondered why you'd prefer diablo from a UI pov | 18:28 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, wait until you try Maemo 5. ;P | 18:28 |
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| cehteh | doesnt anyone ever had the idea to combine capacitative and resistive technology? :) | 18:29 |
| GAN900 | We need to rebind the camera button to something useful. | 18:29 |
| GAN900 | cehteh, $$$ | 18:29 |
| Flandry | cehteh: it was patented recently | 18:29 |
| javispedro | but then I realized even something as stupid as switching always through exposé may be more useful that having to basically guess the window I want in the task navigator | 18:29 |
| Flandry | by HTC i believe | 18:29 |
| cehteh | ah | 18:29 |
| GAN900 | Plus complexity, durability, size and power consumption. | 18:29 |
| cehteh | i doubt that this will be very expensive | 18:29 |
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| cehteh | the upper resistive layer can serve as capciataive layer too | 18:30 |
| GAN900 | Really, they just need Stantum. | 18:30 |
| Flandry | what is that? | 18:30 |
| GAN900 | Resistive multi. | 18:30 |
| Flandry | oh | 18:30 |
| Flandry | don't see that happening | 18:31 |
| javispedro | I'm sure engadget will find the way to bash them. | 18:31 |
| Flandry | it's capacitive that's the buzz | 18:31 |
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| cehteh | well actually i think resistive *is* better in a lot ways ... | 18:31 |
| cehteh | Flandry: yes, without much reason | 18:31 |
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| cehteh | they are more sensitive .. but only to big warm wet fingers :P | 18:32 |
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| Flandry | so that's why us cold dry geeks prefer resistive? | 18:32 |
| cehteh | :) | 18:32 |
| SpeedEvil | resistive works with gloves on. | 18:33 |
| SpeedEvil | ++ | 18:33 |
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| cehteh | i prefer at least pointing with the tip of my finger | 18:33 |
| Flandry | i use my Zaurus with gloved hands in lab | 18:33 |
| Flandry | almost every day | 18:33 |
| cehteh | winter gloves .. not vinil lab gloves | 18:34 |
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| Flandry | hancom sheet and me, we're like that... | 18:34 |
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| GAN900 | Yeesh, there are Droid ads all over the airport. | 18:37 |
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| GAN900 | cehteh, yeah, I vastly prefer resistive, too, but it's really a personal issue. | 18:37 |
| * GAN900 sighs. | 18:37 | |
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| cehteh | well both would be cool .. capacitative can do proximity sensing | 18:38 |
| GAN900 | Another "Nokia doesn't care about consumers, so why should I waste my time" post from krisse. | 18:38 |
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| Myrtti | are they actually from her or from somewhere else? | 18:39 |
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| Myrtti | atleast greader shows a lot of All about maemo posts as hers | 18:39 |
| Myrtti | or whatever it has been | 18:39 |
| GAN900 | Myrtti, from her. | 18:40 |
| GAN900 | Talk | 18:40 |
| Myrtti | oh, right | 18:40 |
| GAN900 | accompanied by a PM. | 18:40 |
| Myrtti | I never really read it :-/ | 18:40 |
| GAN900 | Good plan. | 18:41 |
| Myrtti | if something isn't on the community mailing list or planet maemo, I usually miss the news | 18:41 |
| Flandry | hehe yeah | 18:41 |
| GAN900 | That's equivalent to saying "I never really do crack cocaine" | 18:41 |
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| qwerty12 | GAN900: Just get Jaffa to do another Planet posting saying why $KRISSESLATESTIDEA sucks | 18:41 |
| GAN900 | lol | 18:41 |
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| Myrtti | I might click an odd link from IRC now and then | 18:42 |
| aSIMULAter | hi gius | 18:42 |
| aSIMULAter | guys | 18:42 |
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| Myrtti | that reminds me of a bad 4chan joke | 18:42 |
| Myrtti | moving on | 18:42 |
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| loufoque | GAN900, just tell the guy to run the community version of the software and not nokia's. | 18:43 |
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| GAN900 | This "I°TECH X-Perience" store across from me has "Blue Tooth" accessories. | 18:44 |
| javispedro | krisse did promise to "help with mer" didn't him/her? | 18:44 |
| GAN900 | She | 18:44 |
| GAN900 | Dunno | 18:44 |
| GAN900 | loufoque, gal, and I'm all done working to pull her out of slumps. :P | 18:44 |
| zaheerm | off to airport to go bcn | 18:44 |
| javispedro | see you | 18:45 |
| loufoque | hum, it seems Nokia is planning to release a new maemo device in second half of 2010, even though the N900 still isn't out? | 18:45 |
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| Myrtti | loufoque: what shrooms have you eaten? | 18:45 |
| range | Isn't out? Do I have to give it back then? | 18:45 |
| loufoque | it's still only available as pre-orders. | 18:46 |
| jebbajeb | we're all on shrooms! you just *think* you have an n900 | 18:46 |
| FiSHBoY | it's out, the launch is just going slightly shakey ;) | 18:46 |
| loufoque | i.e. it's not officially out | 18:46 |
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| FiSHBoY | it is officially out on nokia's own sales sites :P | 18:46 |
| loufoque | I can't apply to get one from my company for example | 18:46 |
| bilboed-pi | loufoque, it's on sale allright | 18:46 |
| ManuelSE | i am typing on one also | 18:46 |
| FiSHBoY | hehe | 18:46 |
| loufoque | on the nokia online shop, it only says preorder to me | 18:47 |
| bilboed-pi | maybe in 3rd world countries, like the USA | 18:47 |
| bilboed-pi | :P | 18:47 |
| ManuelSE | i am typing on one also | 18:47 |
| ManuelSE | depends on country i think? | 18:47 |
| loufoque | http://shop.nokia.co.uk/nokia-uk/default.aspx | 18:47 |
| loufoque | Do you see the big N900 pre-order image? | 18:47 |
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| javispedro | it is officially out. | 18:47 |
| javispedro | it's as out as the wii on its launch day. | 18:47 |
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| javispedro | or even worse. | 18:47 |
| * javispedro dumps the n900 stress testing videos | 18:47 | |
| javispedro | I think the n97' ones were much better | 18:47 |
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| javispedro | without all those fuss and show and smiles and music | 18:48 |
| bilboed-pi | loufoque, they got out of stock again ??? | 18:48 |
| ManuelSE | wou are making videos opf stresstesting javispedro? | 18:48 |
| bilboed-pi | loufoque, it was working perfectly fine a few days back | 18:48 |
| loufoque | it has only been available as a pre order for me for the past three months | 18:48 |
| javispedro | ManuelSE: of course not. | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: i think you're thinking of korbe | 18:49 |
| loufoque | anyway I need it to be available from vodafone for my company to buy it for me | 18:49 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: ah, true | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | what is this thread krissie posted btw? | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like something i should comment on | 18:50 |
| loufoque | I wonder how something like the N97 compares to maemo | 18:50 |
| javispedro | I think it's this one: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35759 | 18:50 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, nothing interesting | 18:51 |
| javispedro | loufoque: depending on your PoV, Maemo is either absolutely awful or Maemo is just on another level. | 18:51 |
| ManuelSE | lofoque, it appears you are looking at n900 as a phone. maybe think of it as a linux computer with phone instead. | 18:51 |
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| ManuelSE | n97 is the more phonelike device | 18:51 |
| javispedro | another level up to the point you look at the rest of gadgets with disdain... | 18:51 |
| loufoque | ManuelSE, isn't a smartphone basically a mobile computer these days? | 18:51 |
| * microlith wants his another level device... that just so happens to be able to make phonecalls | 18:51 | |
| greenfly | the n97 and most other "smartphones" are phones trying to be computers, the n900 is a computer trying to be a phone | 18:51 |
| ManuelSE | the heritage of the devices shows everywhere. | 18:52 |
| FiSHBoY | yeah, the N900s roots are in portable tablets, whereas the N97s roots are in phones. | 18:52 |
| loufoque | it's the same processor as the iPhone and both operating systems share roots | 18:52 |
| loufoque | the good thing about maemo is that's it's fairly open | 18:53 |
| greenfly | if you primarily use your pocket device as a phone it probably makes sense to get one that is a phone with some computer functions | 18:53 |
| greenfly | if you primarily use your pocket device as a mobile computer, then get one that is a mobile computer with some phone functions | 18:53 |
| flux | I'm still waiting my n900, but apparently its user interface is still much more bent towards mobile phone use than, say, n800's ui was | 18:53 |
| GAN900 | loufoque, really, it's the first realization of an open cellular device. | 18:53 |
| wjt | “don't forget openmoko!” | 18:53 |
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| * microlith remembers openmoko and chuckles | 18:53 | |
| loufoque | openmoko died in the womb | 18:53 |
| GAN900 | wjt, I'm too lazy to type out "mainstream" on this keyboard. :P | 18:54 |
| loufoque | they fired the only competent programmer they had | 18:54 |
| loufoque | and were riddled with hardware bugs | 18:54 |
| wjt | hence the “”s :þ | 18:54 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: hey | 18:55 |
| timeless_mbp | can i get you to at least test the map data update? :) | 18:55 |
| evo | hi, my usual question again: is someone using modest with gmail imap? | 18:55 |
| timeless_mbp | (although at this point, we vaguely have an algorithm for doing something more systematic) | 18:55 |
| timeless_mbp | evo: i've heard a few people say they do | 18:55 |
| timeless_mbp | i think if your mailbox is <20k messages it might work in the sales version of modest | 18:55 |
| range | evo: Yes. | 18:56 |
| evo | it is, but I have a different problem | 18:56 |
| timeless_mbp | i've heard rumors that you can even load a 40k message mailbox in some hypothetical future version of modest | 18:56 |
| range | Oooooh! | 18:56 |
| ccooke | modest... is that the default mail app or another one? | 18:56 |
| evo | range: can you *really* delete emails? Modest say they're gone and doesn't show them, but they're still there using the webmail | 18:56 |
| timeless_mbp | ccooke: default | 18:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | evo: there's a bug that explains that | 18:57 |
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| ccooke | because the default one can't handle my 14,000 mail IMAP mailbox. | 18:57 |
| timeless_mbp | you need to send and receive | 18:57 |
| range | evo: Ummm. Good question. | 18:57 |
| range | Ah. | 18:57 |
| timeless_mbp | roughly | 18:57 |
| timeless_mbp | or at least select a different folder | 18:57 |
| evo | I read it and run the send/receive | 18:57 |
| javispedro | modest 40k: in theathers 2029 | 18:57 |
| evo | but it doesn't work for me | 18:57 |
| timeless_mbp | basically for "power saving reasons" | 18:57 |
| javispedro | mind the typo., | 18:57 |
| timeless_mbp | when you take an action, we don't always send the action to the server | 18:57 |
| range | Um. For me it doesn't even mark the mail I read as read ... | 18:58 |
| timeless_mbp | at least, that's the answer for marking messages as read | 18:58 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not sure if that applies to deletes | 18:58 |
| range | But I never changed folder or used "send and receive", just switched to my other mail account. | 18:58 |
| timeless_mbp | range: that's the explanation we got for unread. iirc it's in a public bug @ bugs.maemo.org | 18:58 |
| evo | timeless_mbp: I did the send/receive trick, I changed folder, I closed the app and rerun it | 18:58 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, at the airport, boarding in about 30 minutes. | 18:58 |
| timeless_mbp | please note that gmail generally does *not* allow imap clients to actually *delete* messages | 18:58 |
| ccooke | I find modest is unstable and eats battery when I activate my imap account. | 18:59 |
| timeless_mbp | it just lets clients remove them from a given folder | 18:59 |
| timeless_mbp | ccooke: i use MfE | 18:59 |
| range | Hmmm. Cannot try at the moment, I'm on a WLAN which just lets http and nntp (WTF?) through :) | 18:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | as protocols go, i think MfE is better | 18:59 |
| evo | timeless_mbp: I know, but it should let you delete emails from Gmail/Trash | 18:59 |
| timeless_mbp | (gmail's imap support is incredibly broken) | 18:59 |
| timeless_mbp | evo: *shrug* | 18:59 |
| ccooke | timeless_mbp: gmail doesn't support MfE | 18:59 |
| timeless_mbp | ccooke: not actually correct :) | 19:00 |
| evo | timeless_mbp: so I was moving them there before deleting them | 19:00 |
| range | The other way round? | 19:00 |
| timeless_mbp | now, the sales modest MfE might not work w/ gmail MfE | 19:00 |
| timeless_mbp | but gmail does have support for a certain version of the protocol :o | 19:00 |
| ccooke | timeless_mbp: (and I don't actually use gmail for my email) | 19:00 |
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| ccooke | my email is on a server I control | 19:00 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=138784 | 19:00 |
| timeless_mbp | http://arstechnica.com/software/news/2009/02/google-turns-on-exchange-for-iphone-and-windows-mobile-users.ars | 19:01 |
| ccooke | However, it's modest that actually crashes, not the server :-0 | 19:01 |
| evo | range: sorry but I didn't get if you're able to delete or not :) | 19:02 |
| timeless_mbp | ccooke: so um, if you can collect crash reports for modest crashing | 19:02 |
| timeless_mbp | we have an engineer who would like to fix bugs if core dumps were provided | 19:02 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: well, installing the .deb is fast | 19:03 |
| timeless_mbp | playing with it can be done while offline :) | 19:03 |
| ShadowJK | "Unable to register SIM card" suddenly today, and no signal. Cycled via offline, and suddenly sim card was fine and full signal... One day we'll have the resources to create an automatic work-around AI that automaticaööy cycles via offline when thngs fail | 19:03 |
| ccooke | timeless_mbp: didn't notice any core dumps, but I can re-enable it this weekend. I can't really do it during the week, because it eats too much power | 19:03 |
| ccooke | timeless_mbp: I just stopped reading email on the device. | 19:03 |
| range | evo: I cannot try at the moment, as I cannot do IMAP right now ... | 19:04 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: roughly | 19:04 |
| timeless_mbp | my n900 decided (again) that it only likes one of my 2 sim cards | 19:04 |
| range | Stupid firewall rules. | 19:04 |
| timeless_mbp | which is annoying, because it likes the one that can't dial internationally | 19:04 |
| evo | range: ok, thanks anyway :) | 19:04 |
| ShadowJK | this was the same sim card, I didn't even reseat it. it's just cell radio + network operator bugs I'd think | 19:05 |
| * ShadowJK needs to cycle all of his phones via offline/airplane mode occasionally :/ | 19:06 | |
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| ShadowJK | I tried the FM transmitter today in the car | 19:07 |
| ShadowJK | it doesn't switch off when charger is plugged in | 19:07 |
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| GAN900 | Depends on the charger, I think. | 19:08 |
| ShadowJK | it seems that most of the signal is sucked up by the charger though | 19:08 |
| GAN900 | I think it drops the power. | 19:08 |
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| ShadowJK | only one way to find out, open a bunch of heavy pages in browser, try feed 10000 mail boxes to modest, and plug/unplug charger, listening if the transmitter reacted immediately or not | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: from twitter..: ' 3c4165061ed19d8368b0bca480c9be87455463b3_full_normal | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | err.. | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | ok, no | 19:11 |
| w00t | hha. | 19:12 |
| * Stskeeps gives up and goes make coffee. | 19:12 | |
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| evo | umm, according to http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=77657 modest is working in the right way, deleting an email from a folder just removes that label but it's still present in the "All Mail" folder; the problem is when you try to empty [Gmail]/Trash | 19:14 |
| redeeman | hmm, the N900 email clients imap support doesn't appear to support folders? atleast not on my imap server, it also doesn't copy the sent mails to the sent folder on the imap server, anyone know how to change this? | 19:15 |
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| range | redeeman: Second part: It doesn't. | 19:16 |
| range | First part: It shows the folders on my IMAP server without problems. | 19:16 |
| Lorthirk` | redeeman: it does with gmail | 19:16 |
| redeeman | could it be because my imap server does them in a namespace called INBOX. ? | 19:17 |
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| _berto_ | anyone in barcelona ? | 19:17 |
| bilboed-pi | _berto_, I am (but I live here). Don't know where other people are, and if the idea to go to maremagnum for drinks is still on or not | 19:18 |
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| _berto_ | i don't know either | 19:19 |
| bilboed-pi | aren't most people staying in one hotel ? | 19:19 |
| hardaker | it does support folders. | 19:19 |
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| hardaker | you have to have them in the subscribed list on the server side | 19:19 |
| _berto_ | yes, but i'm in a different one | 19:19 |
| hardaker | (which I figured out by directly subscribing to them in another mail client) | 19:20 |
| range | evo: Are you seeing bug 6634 ? | 19:20 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6634 was not found. | 19:20 |
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| range | Erm. bug 5634 | 19:20 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5634 Deleted IMAP messages are not expunged | 19:20 |
| hardaker | there is no way to configure subscribed folders on the N900 that I can find. | 19:20 |
| hardaker | povbot`: I actually like that fact. I'd *rather* have my other mail client do the expunging and am about to depend on it I think. | 19:20 |
| povbot` | hardaker: Error: "I" is not a valid command. | 19:20 |
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| javispedro | lol | 19:21 |
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| * javispedro watches hardaker quietly realize something :) | 19:21 | |
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| evo | range: yeah, last message is mine, for example; the fact I got no reply let me think I was the only one with this issue, so I asked here :) | 19:21 |
| range | evo: Ah :) | 19:21 |
| hardaker | javispedro: nah | 19:22 |
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| jebbajeb | i bricked then flashed my device. The installed applications are still in /opt (supertux, as an example), but the icons aren't there and the /usr/bin/ symlinks are gone. Is there any way to re-generate these links/icons without having to apt-get everything again? | 19:28 |
| hardaker | I'd think you'd want to anyway so the application manager knows about what you've installed. | 19:29 |
| hardaker | it's cleaner ;-) | 19:29 |
| plr_ | where in n900 canI find the sync menu | 19:29 |
| hardaker | but you should be able to script around for i in *; apt-get install $i | 19:29 |
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| jebbajeb | heh. yikes. | 19:30 |
| jaem | morning | 19:31 |
| * GAN900 still needs to buy some Euros. | 19:31 | |
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| jaem | GAN900, I'll sell you one for 2 Euros | 19:32 |
| ShadowJK | plr_, contacts, menu, get contacts | 19:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I'll sell you euros at one ounce of gold per. | 19:32 |
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| GAN900 | The money changer that used to be at the terminal here moved, I guess. <_< | 19:33 |
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| jjmarin | anybody knows where I can find the SIM menu on Nokia N900 like symbian phones ? I want to change the number on a vofafone twin SIM | 19:33 |
| bilboed-pi | GAN900, just withdraw cash at any ATM | 19:34 |
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| ShadowJK | jjmarin, there isn't one :) | 19:34 |
| jaem | O_o | 19:34 |
| ShadowJK | atleast I haven't found any either | 19:34 |
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| Ceron^ | can i make my n900 automatically use wlan when in range of HOME wlan | 19:34 |
| ShadowJK | Ceron^, yes | 19:34 |
| Ceron^ | and then change to 3g when away | 19:34 |
| Ceron^ | how | 19:34 |
| jaem | okay, so... I went to bed last night with code that didn't work, needing to demo it today | 19:34 |
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| jaem | I woke up, and it still spits out all the same errors, and by all accounts shouldn't work, but it magically does | 19:35 |
| ShadowJK | Ceron^, Settings -> INternet connections -> switch to wlan when available, save | 19:35 |
| jjmarin | ShadowJK: thanks, what a pity :( | 19:35 |
| jaem | no idea why | 19:35 |
| range | Ceron^: Go to preferences -> internet connections ... | 19:35 |
| range | Well, as ShadowJK typed faster. | 19:35 |
| Myrtti | there's three places where I love my maemo devices (770 and 800) | 19:35 |
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| Myrtti | all start with letter b | 19:35 |
| ShadowJK | bed and bus | 19:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | bathroom? | 19:35 |
| SpeedEvil | bordello? | 19:35 |
| range | bar, breakfast table. | 19:35 |
| Myrtti | bed, bog, bathtub | 19:35 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 19:36 |
| SpeedEvil | bathtub I'd be rather hesitant at. | 19:36 |
| Ceron^ | /b/ | 19:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Owing to the whole humidity thing. | 19:36 |
| Myrtti | my fave place | 19:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I do however use my laptop in there | 19:36 |
| Myrtti | can stay two or three hours | 19:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | (I place it on a chair, and then use a disposable USB keyb in the bath) | 19:37 |
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| Ceron^ | SpeedEvil: lool doesnt it shortcut :f | 19:37 |
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| Ceron^ | SpeedEvil: the whole computer | 19:37 |
| Myrtti | best was when i had mpd server and a proper sound system attachedd to it | 19:37 |
| ManuelSE | what is the point of hiding display brightness deep in settings menu | 19:37 |
| ShadowJK | those dudes doing the torturetest thing should try shower | 19:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Ceron^: no. The worst that can happen is the keyboard shorts out basically | 19:38 |
| Myrtti | could remotely control it with the mpd client | 19:38 |
| Ceron^ | you sure :o | 19:38 |
| Ceron^ | SpeedEvil: there is 5volts in the usb | 19:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Ceron^: very sure. | 19:38 |
| Ceron^ | you can break your pc usb ports | 19:38 |
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| GAN900 | bilboed-pi, I'm assuming my US check card will work OK? | 19:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Ceron^: Standards compliant USB ports are able to be shorted without damage. | 19:38 |
| range | ManuelSE: There is a simple brightness applet in Extras which is accessible from the menu you get when you touch the status bar. | 19:38 |
| ShadowJK | ManuelSE, they had some fancy geeks with fancy equipment spend 4 months in a closed room measuring brightness and contrast, and they said it was perfect and threatened to eat anyone implying a brightness setting was needed | 19:38 |
| bilboed-pi | GAN900, if it's VISA or Mastercard or American Express it'll work virtually anywhere | 19:39 |
| cehteh | GAN900: where are you now? | 19:39 |
| ManuelSE | shadowjk the brightness is pretty much awesome | 19:40 |
| cehteh | stranded in europe? | 19:40 |
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| GAN900 | cehteh, TPA | 19:40 |
| ManuelSE | it is adjusting gently? | 19:40 |
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| GAN900 | waiting to board the flight to JFK | 19:40 |
| ShadowJK | ManuelSE, gentler than N810 atleast | 19:40 |
| cehteh | tpa is? | 19:40 |
| GAN900 | Tampa, FL | 19:40 |
| Ceron^ | http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00FYutWUaBsEMmM/Flexible-Keyboard-Silicon-Keyboard-Waterproof-Keyboard.jpg SpeedEvil | 19:41 |
| cehteh | ah .. thought somewhere in eu | 19:41 |
| Ceron^ | those are awsome | 19:41 |
| ManuelSE | they were right. it is adjusting very well | 19:41 |
| GAN900 | cehteh, nah, landing in Barcelona at 07:45 local. | 19:42 |
| ManuelSE | this looks like real R&# - i did not notice adjusting | 19:42 |
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| cehteh | is the brightness sensor readable by software? | 19:42 |
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| cehteh | my hp laptop has the same .. and the same accelerormeter ... but i can only control the sensor off or on but not readout its level | 19:43 |
| ShadowJK | dunno, it was readable on N810 | 19:43 |
| cehteh | bit pita i would like to adjust the brightness control algorithm | 19:43 |
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| ShadowJK | I'd suspect you can't override it | 19:45 |
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| cehteh | BME ... | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | naah. | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | mce probably | 19:46 |
| cehteh | well .. someone will hack it eventually :P | 19:46 |
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| cehteh | lets see maybe it works out of the box like i like it | 19:47 |
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| el_zilcho | w00t! i doubt anyone cares that much, but my wifi wasn't working on arrival... incomplete flash fucked me over hardcore... got the battery charged with a circuit my office neighbour had... got it successfully flashed | 19:49 |
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| el_zilcho | and now wifi works now too | 19:49 |
| el_zilcho | wtf | 19:49 |
| el_zilcho | :) | 19:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 19:51 |
| el_zilcho | debating whether i should wait for the replacement from amazon anyways since my battery contacts got bent a little and i had to bend them back into position | 19:52 |
| el_zilcho | nice | 19:53 |
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| * bilboed-pi goes home. | 19:56 | |
| bilboed-pi | maybe people in bcn will give some sign of life | 19:56 |
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| DM_900 | hey found the pipe for the hwkb its Fn then Sym(symbol) screen pops up and tab is there too | 20:00 |
| DM_900 | pita | 20:00 |
| el_zilcho | yzyz | 20:00 |
| el_zilcho | hoping eventually to be able to customize those softkeys | 20:00 |
| el_zilcho | but that's a bit ahead of me since i've just got my device monday, and it just finally started working completely today | 20:01 |
| DM_900 | yepyep i'd put it £ or € | 20:01 |
| el_zilcho | i searched five minutes for the @ :) | 20:01 |
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| DM_900 | lol | 20:01 |
| el_zilcho | shift space was very unexpected | 20:01 |
| DM_900 | blue arrow spacebar | 20:02 |
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| el_zilcho | yeah | 20:02 |
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| DM_900 | orrather Fn | 20:02 |
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| DM_900 | discovered you dont have to hond cap or Fn for one cap or blue key | 20:03 |
| DM_900 | but 2 hits of Fn and it stays on | 20:04 |
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| DM_900 | same for caps | 20:04 |
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| fchurca | Hi people! | 20:11 |
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| fchurca | Just being curious; I've read Gentoo has been ported to the N900; has Fedora been ported to the N900 too? | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | go ahead, there's bootmenu | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:12 |
| fchurca | me? | 20:13 |
| jebbajeb | fchurca: celumundo has N900 in .ar now, but for USD$1400..... | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | el_zilcho: Is user supposed to flash a fresh OS on arrival of N900? o.O | 20:13 |
| jebbajeb | fchurca: i doubt fedora has. I'm surprised gentoo has actually. | 20:13 |
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| fchurca | jebbajeb: Too expensive for me; I'll wait for it to be released by Claro at a saner price :P | 20:14 |
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| simula | no doc | 20:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pffffff | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks, got almost scared ;-P | 20:15 |
| simula | they even partially charge the battery for you so you can start playing right away | 20:15 |
| fchurca | jebbajeb: It'll be just a matter of time for fedora, but gentoo, debian, or maemo itself will do :) | 20:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | simula: I know ;-) Did exactly that | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | and really appreciated the manual finally discarded the nonsense "charge bat for at least 99h prior to first use" | 20:16 |
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| * RST38h moos thoughtfully | 20:18 | |
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| Arkenoi | builtin file manager does not open zip files, though i have unzip installed | 20:18 |
| Vink_ | Hi, | 20:18 |
| jebbajeb | fchurca: where you read about gentoo, btw? debian has an arm repo, but IIRC fedora doesnt have arm repo unless they added one recently | 20:18 |
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| fchurca | fchurca: someone here (I don't remember the nick) has Gentoo on his/her N900 | 20:19 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Built in file manager does not do many things | 20:19 |
| fchurca | jebbajeb: /\ | 20:19 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: It is basically a slightly extended file selection dialog. So, unless you feel like porting a few programs, install Midnight Commander | 20:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: builtin fm also cheats on user in the much hated way of hiding real directory tree and dir names, not even a "go to:" to enter "real world" | 20:21 |
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| Khertan | hello everybody ! | 20:21 |
| fchurca | hi Khertan | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | like "go to:" /etc | 20:22 |
| RST38h | DocScrut: just like S60 file manager | 20:22 |
| fchurca | Does anyone has Gentoo on a N900, people? | 20:22 |
| Khertan | does there is hildon expert in the room ? | 20:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or am I missing something here | 20:22 |
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| Khertan | pymaemo docs say that hildon.Dialog is the same as gtk ones ... but buttons arg does nt seems to exists | 20:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: (MC) exactly what I did ;-) | 20:23 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. " | 20:23 |
| fchurca | although actually if vmware works in maemo you could virtualize whatever distro you want | 20:24 |
| fchurca | or windows for that matter :P | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I hate the blue bg though, need to tweak the config | 20:24 |
| RST38h | ...and GtkDialog majorly broken, as usual | 20:24 |
| Khertan | qwerty12 : hum thx ... pymaemo docs is really buggy so :) 4 times that the docs is wrong | 20:25 |
| Khertan | RST38h ? broken ? | 20:25 |
| Khertan | really ? | 20:25 |
| Khertan | you mean FileChooserDialog ? | 20:25 |
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| RST38h | Khertan: no I mean that Hildon GtkDialog is no longer the same as Gtk+ GtkDialog | 20:26 |
| RST38h | i.e. from Gtk+ point of view, it is broken | 20:26 |
| Khertan | rst38h like every gtk things since fremantle | 20:27 |
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| RST38h | exactly | 20:27 |
| RST38h | ...and they are already eyeing QT! =) | 20:28 |
| RST38h | The End of the World is coming. Repent. | 20:28 |
| Khertan | yep i didn t think i ll do the move to qt ... i didn t like the framework | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | OMG QT. Run for shelter ;-P | 20:29 |
| _berto_ | HildonDialog is not needd | 20:29 |
| _berto_ | just use GtkDialog | 20:29 |
| _berto_ | which is not broken by any means | 20:29 |
| Khertan | and when i see all the things they changemin the ui in fremantle ... i m pretty sure the gtk will look ugly in hartman | 20:30 |
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| redeeman | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php <-- anyone that can tell me if the prefinal 2 is newest? (it doesnt exactly specify) | 20:30 |
| lardman|home | look at the week numbers | 20:30 |
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| Khertan | _berto_ : yep but as i said the pymaemo docs suggest to use hildon.Dialog | 20:30 |
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| lardman|home | redeeman: ignore me | 20:30 |
| suihkulokki | "The oldest Russian N900 community" | 20:30 |
| redeeman | lardman|home: :) | 20:30 |
| lardman|home | I think there's final out now actually | 20:31 |
| _berto_ | Khertan: that's probably a bug in pymaemo, but on the other hand it doesn't make any difference whether you use HildonDialog or GtkDialog | 20:31 |
| suihkulokki | there are many russian n900 community sites? :P | 20:31 |
| lardman|home | redeeman: hmm, virtual images, in which case I don't know, sorry | 20:31 |
| RST38h | suih: there is one | 20:31 |
| RST38h | n8xx.com | 20:32 |
| redeeman | oh well, i can just take the real SDK, do you know if its available for x86_64 ? | 20:32 |
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| lardman|home | no idea, but you used to be able to hack the installation scripts if they failed | 20:32 |
| lardman|home | have since moved back to 32bit so don't know for this version I'm afraid | 20:32 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: yo from my Mac! | 20:33 |
| fchurca | !lol | 20:36 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie : what are you doing with a mac ??? | 20:36 |
| crashanddie | I just bought it :) | 20:37 |
| lardman|home | you arty-farty type | 20:37 |
| lardman|home | ;) | 20:37 |
| crashanddie | bla bla bla :P | 20:37 |
| lardman|home | lol | 20:37 |
| Khertan | tasks in fremantle are stored in evolution data right ? | 20:37 |
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| florian | re | 20:39 |
| jjmarin | It there any alternative url for supl.nokia.com for localization ? | 20:39 |
| Khertan | tasks in fremantle are stored in evolution data right ? < noone know ? | 20:40 |
| Khertan | jjmarin: yes there are but mostly depends on your fai | 20:41 |
| Khertan | s/fai/isp | 20:41 |
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| jjmarin | Khertan: Do you know where can I find a list of this places ? | 20:43 |
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| jjmarin | s/this/these/ | 20:43 |
| infobot | jjmarin meant: Khertan: Do you know where can I find a list of these places ? | 20:43 |
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| fnordianslip | crashanddie: 1st tip for your new mac. want a nice free text editor - get textwrabgler - built in support for sftp | 20:46 |
| * Mousey suggests sticking with vi | 20:47 | |
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| Khertan | jjmarin : depends also on contract | 20:47 |
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| fnordianslip | Mousey: back in your hole before i set the cat on you | 20:47 |
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| Mousey | ooh, a snack! | 20:48 |
| fnordianslip | Mousey: you eat cats? | 20:48 |
| Mousey | excellent source of emergency protien | 20:49 |
| Mousey | s/ie/ei/ | 20:49 |
| infobot | Mousey meant: excellent source of emergency protein | 20:49 |
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| fnordianslip | I'll keep that in mind | 20:49 |
| jjmarin | Khertan: But if I use WLAN, can I use A-GPS ? | 20:49 |
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| luke-jr | jjmarin: N810 only has WLAN | 20:50 |
| jebbajeb | Why do so many dbus-send examples start with "run-standalone.sh dbus-send ...". Why is the run-standalone.sh there? They all seem to run fine without it too. | 20:50 |
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| Khertan | jjmarin : yes and now ... | 20:51 |
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| jjmarin | luke: ok | 20:51 |
| derf | jebbajeb: run-standalone.sh ensures that environment variables are properly set so it can locate the dbus session. | 20:51 |
| Khertan | for example sfr isp accept only request from their 3g network so don t work on wlan | 20:51 |
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| derf | If you're running them as user that's no problem. | 20:52 |
| derf | But if you were running them from, say, a cron job, it would be. | 20:52 |
| Khertan | and of course they block the nokia one | 20:52 |
| jebbajeb | ah, gotcha thx | 20:52 |
| derf | Or an install script. | 20:52 |
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| jjmarin | Khertan: ok, it a problem "invented" for paying, what mean people !!! | 20:53 |
| Khertan | jjmarin : yep clearly | 20:54 |
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| crashanddie | thanks for whomever recommended textwrangler | 21:03 |
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| Klowner | it sure would be nice if nokia had some sort of internet presence, like on twitter or something | 21:05 |
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| Klowner | so I could virtually strangle them | 21:05 |
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| wazd | I'm back | 21:06 |
| wazd | behold :) | 21:06 |
| redeeman | Klowner: lol twitter is useless | 21:06 |
| Mousey | except for discovering Google DNS | 21:06 |
| Mousey | stupid #nanog | 21:06 |
| Klowner | redeeman: you're useless | 21:06 |
| * Mousey kicks twitter | 21:06 | |
| redeeman | google dns is useless | 21:06 |
| Klowner | the internet is useless | 21:06 |
| * Mousey kicks google | 21:07 | |
| redeeman | 50ms response time, hilarious | 21:07 |
| crashanddie | ~burn twitter | 21:07 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over twitter, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 21:07 | |
| Mousey | awesome | 21:07 |
| Mousey | infobot++ | 21:08 |
| Myrtti | two hours in bath ♥ | 21:08 |
| wjt | ! Myrtti dissolves | 21:08 |
| Mousey | Myrtti++ | 21:08 |
| Mousey | wjt++ | 21:08 |
| wjt | hey, that reminds me | 21:08 |
| Ceron^ | is transmission stable @ n900 | 21:08 |
| * wjt sticks on Massive Attack's Mezzanine | 21:08 | |
| yannj | did your n900 take a bath too? | 21:08 |
| yannj | and dissolve | 21:09 |
| Klowner | I bitched about fedex on twitter and @FedexAl asked if he could help, so that's not quite worthless to me | 21:09 |
| Myrtti | I've not had one | 21:09 |
| Myrtti | I read a book | 21:09 |
| fchurca | Klowner: lol | 21:09 |
| DM_900 | ok now multipli xterms are working strange | 21:09 |
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| Klowner | if I could bitch about Nokia on twitter, about how my faulty N900 and how the replacement ISN'T cross-shipping | 21:10 |
| Klowner | and they'd be like "oh, we're sorry, we'll send you a new one right away like a good company would do" | 21:10 |
| redeeman | not many companies does that | 21:11 |
| Klowner | many do | 21:11 |
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| Klowner | my Philips sound system, they sent a replacement before I had to return the busted one | 21:11 |
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| Klowner | they have my credit card information, if I don't return the broken one within a week, then they charge me for a 2nd, fair enough | 21:11 |
| redeeman | that's illegal for them to do | 21:12 |
| DM_900 | Klowner: your just jinx'd it seems | 21:12 |
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| luke-jr | Klowner: many companies charge you for the replacement, then refund it when they receive the original | 21:15 |
| DM_900 | yepyep too many scammers out there days | 21:15 |
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| Ceron^ | FINE dont answer me | 21:16 |
| el_zilcho | FINE! :-P | 21:16 |
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| LeoD | fiine | 21:17 |
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| redeeman | is there anything special i should take into account when writing a Qt application for use on the N900? | 21:18 |
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| Ceron^ | transmission is it stable | 21:19 |
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| Ceron^ | its just one question for you n900 geeks | 21:19 |
| Ceron^ | :D | 21:19 |
| Klowner | luke-jr: that's fine with me too | 21:19 |
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| Vink_ | what browser does N900 use? | 21:22 |
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| Klowner | Vink_: mozilla based custom thing, or Firefox | 21:23 |
| Vink_ | I know it is Mozilla based, but is it open source | 21:23 |
| Vink_ | Klowner, are you sure it is not Fennec? | 21:23 |
| range | Yes. It is not Fennec. | 21:23 |
| Vink_ | what firefox engine (version) does it use? | 21:24 |
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| |R | Anyone just got an email from MobileCityOnline saying that they could ship a few devices and to confirm to get in line? | 21:25 |
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| el_zilcho | Hey, is there a particular reason that after installing rootsh and typing root, then using passwd to set a pass... i exit and go back into root and it still doesn't prompt me for a pass? | 21:26 |
| el_zilcho | or does that only matter as far as ssh is concerned? (of which i prefer to disable root logins for anyways) | 21:27 |
| RST38h | "Orangutan Takes Photos, Shares Them on Facebook" | 21:27 |
| RST38h | Finally. The last little step. | 21:27 |
| jebbajeb | wjt, good call. Havent listened to that in a long time. good typing music. | 21:28 |
| jebbajeb | hahaha | 21:28 |
| wjt | jebbajeb: I was reminded of “Dissolved Girl” :) | 21:29 |
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| Myrtti | Radiohead ♥ | 21:30 |
| DM_900 | damn big flurries on the northside of chicago | 21:31 |
| jebbajeb | matson jones :) | 21:31 |
| Myrtti | I reckon it's time for tea | 21:31 |
| DM_900 | good idea Myrtti i' jpin u | 21:32 |
| DM_900 | join | 21:32 |
| Robot101 | DM_900: hrm, is it bad IRTA "damn big furries"? :P | 21:33 |
| range | Hmmm. Charger cable isn't great when you have to answer a call. | 21:33 |
| crashanddie | does x-chat aqua work nicely? Any other IRC clients anyone would recommend? | 21:34 |
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| DM_900 | Robot101: havent decided yet | 21:34 |
| smaug_ | Hello, where could I find some IRC client for N900? | 21:34 |
| smaug_ | Hopefully with GUI, so, not irssi | 21:35 |
| crashanddie | smaug_: X-Chat is currently undergoing the QA process, so it will be a couple of weeks before we start seeing it in more popular repositories | 21:35 |
| crashanddie | that being said, if you really need it, you can get it from Extras-devel, if my memory serves me well | 21:35 |
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| smaug_ | crashanddie: and how would I do that? | 21:36 |
| crashanddie | Google is your friend | 21:37 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: aww, be nice to smaug_ | 21:38 |
| timeless_mbp | he's upstream to microb | 21:38 |
| crashanddie | I'm at work dude | 21:38 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, so am i | 21:38 |
| smaug_ | so am I :) | 21:38 |
| timeless_mbp | smaug_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing | 21:38 |
| timeless_mbp | smaug_: last i checked, you cheated | 21:38 |
| timeless_mbp | smaug_: i assume you're in town, have you had dinner? | 21:39 |
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| smaug_ | I've had | 21:41 |
| smaug_ | sorry | 21:41 |
| smaug_ | perhaps lunch tomorrow? | 21:42 |
| crashanddie | smaug_: where you at? | 21:42 |
| crashanddie | sorry -- meant timeless | 21:43 |
| smaug_ | Hki/Töölö | 21:43 |
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| crashanddie | oh, right | 21:43 |
| user_ | bah | 21:43 |
| smaug_ | Pidgin, is that working well? | 21:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | smaug_: perhaps, i suppose that's doable | 21:44 |
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| Ceron^ | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/Hooah.jpg | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | smaug_: I don't like pidgin. But it kinda "works" | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm on xchat here | 21:51 |
| jebbajeb | I just put together a list of 25 `dbus-send foo` examples snagged mostly from talk.m.o: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#DBUS | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | which segfaults on presets saving but otherwise quite nice | 21:53 |
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| jebbajeb | still haven't found one that shows how to dial the phone though. I might have to break down and think about it myself. sheez. | 21:53 |
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| smaug_ | DocScrutinizer51: yeah, pidgin UI isn't too good | 21:54 |
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| smaug_ | where could I find xchat? | 21:54 |
| * orbarron was looking for that as well | 21:54 | |
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| jebbajeb | xchat is in extras-devel http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel | 21:55 |
| smaug_ | hmm, I couldn't find it here | 21:56 |
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| jebbajeb | could be extras-devel is downish at the moment (can't apt-get update it) | 21:57 |
| smaug_ | I did get pidgin from there | 21:58 |
| smaug_ | but xchat isn't anywhere in the list | 21:58 |
| jebbajeb | hmm. just adding the repo to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list doesn't make it available in hildon app manager. I wonder where else it needs to be listed? | 21:59 |
| el_zilcho | hmm.... i see ogg but no flac :-/ | 21:59 |
| jebbajeb | el_zilcho: i think if you add the package ogg-support it drags in flac as well | 21:59 |
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| el_zilcho | oh nice | 22:00 |
| jebbajeb | # apt-cache search flac | 22:00 |
| jebbajeb | ogg-support - Ogg support for n900 | 22:00 |
| jebbajeb | gstreamer0.10-flac - Flac gst plugin from the good set | 22:00 |
| jebbajeb | libflac8 - Free Lossless Audio Codec - runtime C library | 22:00 |
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| el_zilcho | yeah, i installed all 3 it still wasn't recognizing the files, i'll see if a reboot brings it into the media library | 22:02 |
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| jebbajeb | Google just put up some really fast public DNS servers. IPs? 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 fantastic. | 22:04 |
| RST38h | Doesn't "4" stand for "death" in Chinese and Japanese? | 22:04 |
| toggles_w | 555 | 22:04 |
| RST38h | And "8" isn't much nicer? | 22:04 |
| * RST38h hides | 22:04 | |
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| fireswires | 4 sounds like death, 8 sounds like money/luck | 22:04 |
| RST38h | Ah, ok | 22:05 |
| fireswires | in Mandarin anyway | 22:05 |
| jebbajeb | so if the first one doesn't resolve you go for death. | 22:05 |
| RST38h | money.money.money.money and money.money.death.death | 22:05 |
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| Aranel | is it possible to translate Maemo 5 Frementle to our own language? (Turkish, btw) | 22:07 |
| RST38h | yes. | 22:07 |
| Aranel | how? is there any Launchpad-like software? | 22:07 |
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| RST38h | with hands? | 22:08 |
| fireswires | that reminds me what the current best way to get chinese input on maemo | 22:08 |
| Aranel | fireswires: im curious, whats it? :) | 22:09 |
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| fireswires | Aranel: I was asking sorry | 22:11 |
| v2px | scim? | 22:11 |
| DM_900 | gotta love thoes junk IM's | 22:12 |
| Aranel | RST38h: huh? =) | 22:12 |
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| crashanddie | anyone noticed that skype is pimping some ads for the N900? | 22:13 |
| Ceron^ | really :D | 22:14 |
| v2px | wat? | 22:14 |
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| archebyte | hello all. ignore this message. just checking out irssi on the N900. | 22:18 |
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| * GAN900 is in JFK. | 22:21 | |
| DM_900 | archebyte: it roxorz | 22:22 |
| archebyte | DM_900: yes. superior than pidgin imo | 22:24 |
| DM_900 | eek pidgin | 22:25 |
| redeeman | archebyte: does it have the OTR plugin? | 22:25 |
| yannj | did someone test mbarcode? | 22:25 |
| redeeman | is there anything special i should take into account when writing a Qt application for use on the N900? | 22:25 |
| archebyte | redeeman: sorry dont know what OTR is. :P | 22:26 |
| DM_900 | me neither | 22:27 |
| redeeman | encryption for IMs | 22:27 |
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| DM_900 | ahh | 22:27 |
| sivang | redeeman: it looks pretty straight forward from Sami's lecture :) | 22:27 |
| redeeman | sivang: samis lecture? | 22:27 |
| sivang | redeeman: you use plain Troll's tools to design and code | 22:27 |
| archebyte | hmm is there a command to check that? | 22:27 |
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| sivang | redeeman: Sami | 22:27 |
| redeeman | sivang: i just wanna write a very simple application, i was thinking more about layouting and stuff | 22:27 |
| redeeman | if i need to do anything unlike desktop Qt for it | 22:28 |
| sivang | redeeman: he gave a very nice lecture about development for N900 using the sdk's | 22:28 |
| sivang | redeeman: in the Israel Nokia 2009 Developer Day | 22:28 |
| redeeman | sivang: was it recorded and put online? | 22:28 |
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| fnordianslip | yannj: i tried out mbarcode earlier. it identified a cd by bar code | 22:29 |
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| sivang | redeeman: yeah, trying to find it for you ... | 22:30 |
| redeeman | thanks | 22:31 |
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| sivang | redeeman: the local representative seems to not have put it online yet, let me try and find it on the forumnokia website | 22:31 |
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| redeeman | i haven't really don't much development in Qt, but i feel confident it should be really easy to figure out for the need of my application | 22:31 |
| yannj | fnordianslip : did you have troube to get the focus? | 22:31 |
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| Lorthirk` | sivang: i'm interested too | 22:32 |
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| sivang | Lorthirk: sure :) | 22:32 |
| fnordianslip | yannj: a bit. i let it flash and kinda-auto-focus, then just adjusted the view until the video looked in focus, and it scanned it ok.\ | 22:32 |
| sivang | redeeman: qt is very easy to start with :) | 22:32 |
| sivang | redeeman: how are you with C++ ? | 22:32 |
| redeeman | i can get around with c++, but i don't know it so well that i can predict what will happen in any of those extremely complicated template/inheritance cases | 22:33 |
| yannj | fnordianslip : ok, that 's really difficult with small barcode | 22:33 |
| fnordianslip | i bet | 22:33 |
| fnordianslip | yannj: it has read a few for me, and the cd was the only one that it actually identified by name | 22:34 |
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| yannj | ok | 22:36 |
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| sivang | redeeman: don't worry. You'll catch it up quickly. Qt actually makes it fun to code and abstracts most of it for you | 22:39 |
| Lorthirk | agree... sort of :) | 22:39 |
| sivang | so, the lecture was given by Sami Viitanen | 22:39 |
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| AndrewFBlack | hello | 22:42 |
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| PaulFertser | sivang: what is the reason behind qt not using fancy c++ features extensively (templates etc)? Why does it need an additional preprocessor, isn't c++ powerful enough already? ;) | 22:44 |
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| redeeman | isn't the preprocessor only for slots? | 22:45 |
| Lorthirk | PaulFertser: what do you mean with "not using templates", sorry? | 22:45 |
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| PaulFertser | Lorthirk: i mean that to my uneducated view qt looks like somehow not following the c++ ideology closely, not using the advanced features, not integrating with stl enough or something like that. I've already forgot the details but i think i can found some if needed. | 22:48 |
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| * RST38h throws up at the mention of stl | 22:48 | |
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| sivang | PaulFertser: I would say it achives better performance and specialzed optimizaiton, as a guess | 22:48 |
| sivang | PaulFertser: plus simplifying development *greatly* | 22:48 |
| Lorthirk | PaulFertser: well, i don't know c++ ideology well enough to sustain a conversation :) | 22:48 |
| sivang | PaulFertser: fancy might be confusing | 22:49 |
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| sivang | PaulFertser: KISS :) | 22:49 |
| PaulFertser | RST38h: stl is a major part of C++, really essential now. As probably boost. | 22:49 |
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| * RST38h throws up with whatever remains at the mention of boost | 22:49 | |
| sivang | PaulFertser: but hey, you can use it yourself if you wish in your code. There's no prenvention | 22:49 |
| PaulFertser | sivang: then probably java would be the right choice for a language, it's exactly a c++-like KISS language. | 22:50 |
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| sivang | anyway, people, I couldn't find the lecture yet. I shall email Sami to ask him to a link. See if you can come up with something, this is the event agenda as a pointer: | 22:51 |
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| RST38h | Anyone ever built Nethack? | 22:51 |
| * sivang curses at Israeli internet | 22:52 | |
| * RST38h is ready to give up =( | 22:52 | |
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| sivang | so the organizer's site crashed | 22:52 |
| sivang | darn | 22:52 |
| sivang | how does that seem? | 22:53 |
| sivang | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/tutorials-tutorial.html | 22:53 |
| sivang | redeeman , PaulFertser : ^^^ | 22:53 |
| sivang | Lorthirk: ^^^ | 22:53 |
| Lorthirk | thanks :) | 22:53 |
| sivang | I will come back here again when I have to slides accessible | 22:54 |
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| PaulFertser | sivang: it's the way java coders would use c++ ;) | 22:54 |
| * sivang should spank the Israeli representative to have them online there | 22:54 | |
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| Lorthirk | i still struggle to understand how to create my own signals and slots... | 22:54 |
| sivang | the site is www.euro-nokia.co.il | 22:55 |
| sivang | if anybody manages to log in there, let me know if you found the slides or os | 22:55 |
| sivang | so | 22:55 |
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| PaulFertser | This is a C++ style signal-slot implementation, doesn't require no cryptic preprocessors: http://libsigc.sourceforge.net/ | 22:55 |
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| RST38h | Perfect. Yet another obscure C++ library. | 22:56 |
| Lorthirk | PaulFertser: i like how you always speak straight to the point :D | 22:56 |
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| PaulFertser | RST38h: some people like c++, some not. But i do not understand the idea to misuse a language, and that is what qt seems to always do. :/ | 22:58 |
| RST38h | Sorry, who is misusing the language? | 22:58 |
| PaulFertser | Lorthirk: hehe, just switch to gtkmm, that's for real c++ machos ;) | 22:58 |
| PaulFertser | RST38h: the folks who designed Qt, i think. | 22:58 |
| luke-jr | PaulFertser: Qt is not C++ | 22:58 |
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| luke-jr | and GTK sucks | 22:58 |
| RST38h | No, the folks who designed Qt are not misusing the language | 22:58 |
| RST38h | People who came up with STL and Boost are though | 22:59 |
| luke-jr | lol? | 22:59 |
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| luke-jr | STL is part of C++, no? | 22:59 |
| PaulFertser | luke-jr: of course, officially for quite some time | 22:59 |
| RST38h | made part of the standard, yes | 22:59 |
| * Lorthirk thinks of getting that old C++ manual and, finally, give it a damn read. | 23:00 | |
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| PaulFertser | luke-jr: gtk sucks? Well, it depends... What doesn't? Elementary? | 23:00 |
| luke-jr | Lorthirk: why? Qt > C++ :p | 23:00 |
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| luke-jr | PaulFertser: Qt doesn't suck. | 23:00 |
| Lorthirk | yep, but to use Qt i have to make myself a solid C++ basis :) | 23:01 |
| luke-jr | Lorthirk: no, that is a misconception | 23:01 |
| PaulFertser | luke-jr: it was gpl for damn too much time, not exactly good for a basic gui library. | 23:01 |
| * RST38h gives up on Vulture's Eye: this thing is definitely NOT supposed to be compiled by anyone | 23:01 | |
| luke-jr | Lorthirk: Qt is a language heavily influenced by C++, but it is not C++ | 23:01 |
| Lorthirk | luke-jr: well, i have to know something, don't I? | 23:01 |
| RST38h | Qt is not a language. | 23:02 |
| PaulFertser | Lorthirk: exactly, qt doesn't use c++ properly, as it was designed to be used by those who doesn't like c++ or couldn't understand enough of it ;) | 23:02 |
| Lorthirk | I assumed Qt was a frameworl... | 23:02 |
| PaulFertser | Lorthirk: so you do not need solid c++ understanding. | 23:02 |
| luke-jr | Lorthirk: Qt is a language. | 23:02 |
| RST38h | In fact, "solid c++ understanding" is a handicap as it makes you write code nobody else understands | 23:02 |
| Lorthirk | luke-jr: Qt is a framework. I'm pretty sure of this :) | 23:02 |
| luke-jr | Lorthirk: wrong | 23:02 |
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| sivang | RST38h++ | 23:03 |
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| Klowner | Qt is not a language. | 23:03 |
| sivang | http://www.imaworld.org/?CategoryID=556 | 23:03 |
| sivang | ^^ the event agenda | 23:03 |
| Klowner | Unless you don't understand what a framework is | 23:03 |
| luke-jr | if Qt is not a language, neither is C++ | 23:03 |
| PaulFertser | RST38h: what language do you prefer then for high-level stuff? | 23:03 |
| sivang | if it may help anybody | 23:03 |
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| RST38h | Paul: How high level? | 23:03 |
| Klowner | luke-jr: you could argue that C++ is a framework for C, sure | 23:03 |
| PaulFertser | RST38h: something you do not want to do in C. | 23:03 |
| RST38h | PERL. | 23:04 |
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| sivang | Klowner: for me that's how it feels :) | 23:04 |
| luke-jr | Lorthirk: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/how-to-learn-qt.html | 23:04 |
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| Lorthirk | luke-jr: I can't find anything that says that Qt is a language. | 23:05 |
| PaulFertser | RST38h: heh, to me some perl code looks even harder to understand than "an obscure c++ library" internals ;) | 23:05 |
| * luke-jr smacks Qt docs for suggesting learning C++ first | 23:05 | |
| sivang | perl is evil :) | 23:05 |
| RST38h | That is because you have no thorough understanding of perl :) | 23:05 |
| sivang | luke-jr: hehe | 23:05 |
| luke-jr | Lorthirk: irrelevant | 23:05 |
| * sivang is a pythonista | 23:05 | |
| luke-jr | Lorthirk: I speak in facts, not popular labels | 23:06 |
| PaulFertser | Lorthirk: it has a dedicated preprocessor, that's enough for a reason to suggest luke-jr is right. | 23:06 |
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| luke-jr | PaulFertser: it also has a standard string type, standard number types, and a C++ "Hello World" is very different from a Qt "Hello World" | 23:06 |
| * RST38h yawns | 23:06 | |
| Lorthirk | luke-jr: then feel free to edit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_%28toolkit%29 | 23:06 |
| RST38h | Just because some framework requires a preprocessor, does not make it a language | 23:07 |
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| Lorthirk | RST38h: perfectly agree. | 23:07 |
| luke-jr | Lorthirk: Wikipedia isn't about truth, it's about popularity. | 23:07 |
| Klowner | luke-jr: I assume that prerequisite is for people that don't know *anything* about programming, in which case I would agree | 23:07 |
| RST38h | VCL also required preprocessing for example | 23:07 |
| PaulFertser | luke-jr: same for containers and other stuff, so yes, when one says c++ is a language he means not only basic syntax but also the standard library. Qt is not about using c++ the way it was supposed to be used. | 23:07 |
| RST38h | And so did GEOS | 23:07 |
| PaulFertser | RST38h: VCL? From borland? | 23:07 |
| luke-jr | Klowner: learning C++ does nothing to help you learn Qt | 23:07 |
| sivang | and that's what's good in Qt | 23:07 |
| luke-jr | unless you're learnign basic OO programming concepts for the first time | 23:07 |
| glass_ | learning helps you learn more | 23:08 |
| RST38h | C++ isn't exactly a good language to learn OO | 23:08 |
| Klowner | luke-jr: no, but it helps you learn basics of programming | 23:08 |
| RST38h | C++ is C that desperately wants to look OO | 23:08 |
| GAN900 | JFK is not a nice airport. | 23:08 |
| luke-jr | Klowner: but you could just as well learn those w/ Qt | 23:08 |
| RST38h | Hello, Captain Obvious | 23:08 |
| sivang | I once had an email corrospondence with Bjorn, he himself noted that the langauge stl is instrumental to make C++ C++ and not just objective C or other close relatives | 23:08 |
| * w00t waits for Godwin's to be invoked | 23:08 | |
| Lorthirk | If I see QPair<int, int> without knowing anything about C++ templates I won't understand a thing. | 23:08 |
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| RST38h | (or General in this case..) | 23:08 |
| Lorthirk | so I think I need a good C++ basis before | 23:08 |
| luke-jr | Lorthirk: some parts of C++ are mirrored in Qt, just like some parts of C are mirrored in C++ | 23:09 |
| Lorthirk | ...mirrored? | 23:09 |
| Klowner | luke-jr: are the Qt docs thorough enough to convey the basics of memory management and pointers/refs/vars? | 23:09 |
| Lorthirk | maybe they're just the same? | 23:09 |
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| sivang | anyway folks, I will hit bed and email sami tomorrow to giveaway the slides location | 23:09 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, it's like a freaking movie, though. | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | Klowner: there might be a shortage of beginner Qt docs, dunno | 23:10 |
| Lorthirk | thanks sivang | 23:10 |
| RST38h | No wonder: JFK figured in a lot of movies | 23:10 |
| sivang | Lorthirk: no problem, talk to me or email me if you have questions | 23:10 |
| frals_ | wtf... cant reply to a private message on twitter if the user who sent it isnt following me >_< | 23:10 |
| GAN900 | New Yorker cliches, prisoner transport, graffiti in the bathrooms. | 23:10 |
| sivang | Lorthirk: sivan __AT__ gmail.com | 23:10 |
| sivang | Lorthirk: s/sivan/sivang/ | 23:10 |
| Lorthirk | ok sivang i'll drop you a line :) | 23:11 |
| * GAN900 is playing the yokel. | 23:11 | |
| RST38h | GAN: Wait until you exit and go into the city... | 23:11 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, not this trip, unfortunately. | 23:11 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 23:12 | |
| Lorthirk | http://qt.nokia.com/developer/faqs/211 | 23:12 |
| * RST38h still remembers the last visit to the Penn Station in NYC | 23:12 | |
| Lorthirk | is _THIS_ about popularity? | 23:12 |
| GAN900 | KTPA is still far and away the nicest airport I've ever been to. | 23:12 |
| RST38h | The whole thing came out of a freaking post-apocalyptic movie | 23:12 |
| luke-jr | Lorthirk: yes, but more about marketting | 23:12 |
| detective | Hi, one question... how do i accept an pending maintainer request? (on maemo.org/packages/mypackage -> pending maintainer request: person X ) i've got no notification mail or something like this | 23:12 |
| Klowner | luke-jr: well, I'm just saying, if your first encounter with programming is the Qt documentation I think most people would be completely confused. If they went and learned BASIC, they'd still be mostly confused, if they learned C first, they'd be like "oh, this is where it's different but it makes sense to me" | 23:12 |
| Lorthirk | let me guess, only you is about truth? | 23:12 |
| sivang | Lorthirk: right, qmake is one of the smartest build tools I've seen | 23:12 |
| luke-jr | Lorthirk: companies want to see "C++", not "our new language" | 23:13 |
| Lorthirk | oh, come on | 23:13 |
| GAN900 | Don't feed trolls. | 23:13 |
| el_zilcho | :) | 23:13 |
| luke-jr | Lorthirk: Qt has as much in common with C++ as C++ does with C | 23:13 |
| Lorthirk | you're saying a lot of inaccuracies. given that, as suggested, i won't feed you anymore :) | 23:14 |
| * RST38h sighs at luke-jr | 23:14 | |
| luke-jr | Qt adds to the syntax, and replaces the standard library. | 23:14 |
| luke-jr | C++ adds to the syntax, and replaces the standard library. | 23:14 |
| luke-jr | both while preserving backward compatibility | 23:14 |
| RST38h | Funny thing is, luke-jr should absolutely applaud TrollTech | 23:14 |
| RST38h | But no, can't make him happy | 23:14 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: I applaud TrollTech for designing a very nice programming language. | 23:14 |
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| RST38h | TrollTech has not designed programming language. | 23:15 |
| Klowner | so Qt bindings for Python, what is that? | 23:15 |
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| RST38h | It added a rudimentary preprocessor to handle slots syntax | 23:15 |
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| RST38h | But Qt is still written in C++. It is a framework, not a language | 23:15 |
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| detective | nobody here who knows how to accept pending maintainer requests ? :/ | 23:15 |
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| luke-jr | RST38h: and C++ was once written in C | 23:16 |
| GAN900 | detective, the man you want is still on vacation. | 23:16 |
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| luke-jr | RST38h: and C++'s syntax was implemented with a rudimetnary preprocessor to handle OO syntax | 23:16 |
| RST38h | (scary) | 23:16 |
| fireswires | luke-jr: C++ was written in C mean the C++ compiler was. | 23:16 |
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| * Lorthirk reminds RST38h that GAN900 he suggested to not feed trolss | 23:17 | |
| jebbajeb | detective: your request is being buried in trollfest | 23:17 |
| RST38h | What if XFade gets eaten by a croc or something? | 23:17 |
| detective | hmpf? what trollfest? | 23:17 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, then we're screwed. | 23:17 |
| RST38h | Exactly | 23:17 |
| luke-jr | fireswires: I mean C++ was originally just a preprocessor for C | 23:17 |
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| Lorthirk | yay | 23:17 |
| jebbajeb | detective: the one in this channell... | 23:17 |
| Mysterious | hello | 23:17 |
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| fireswires | luke-jr: yeah true but isn't every compiler a preprocessor for asm? | 23:18 |
| RST38h | In fact, he is still alive and we are ALREADY screwed. | 23:18 |
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| Mysterious | is there someone who could help me with vcnviewer? | 23:18 |
| detective | i don't care about about trolls, i just want to approve one of my developers as co-maintainer :P | 23:18 |
| jebbajeb | Mysterious: sure | 23:18 |
| luke-jr | fireswires: exactly | 23:18 |
| jebbajeb | Mysterious: see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#VNC | 23:18 |
| Mysterious | ok heres my problem: | 23:18 |
| Mysterious | ok | 23:19 |
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| Mysterious | will it work with ultravnc? | 23:19 |
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| jebbajeb | havent tried it, but probably | 23:20 |
| jebbajeb | ultravnc isn't in fedora repo, so i can't test it easily | 23:20 |
| jebbajeb | (never heard of it eitehr) | 23:20 |
| Mysterious | i set up a ultravnc server in windows | 23:21 |
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| Mysterious | but the connection gets suddenly lost if a friend tries | 23:21 |
| Mysterious | to connect to my server | 23:21 |
| jebbajeb | perhaps it has something like -shared option, but that sounds more like a ultravnc/winbloz issue. Perhaps run `vncviewer -Shared` | 23:22 |
| asidjazz | why doesnt nokia just freaking ditch symbian | 23:22 |
| asidjazz | and focus on maemo | 23:23 |
| Mysterious | ok thanks i'll try | 23:23 |
| asidjazz | why deal w/ two diff. phone os' | 23:23 |
| asidjazz | ridiculous | 23:23 |
| asidjazz | http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/nokia-offers-sneak-peak-at-improved-symbian-user-experience/ | 23:23 |
| GAN900 | asidjazz, lot of dinosaurs in management, lot of inertia behind it and the lack of a good replacement for low-end and non-touch platforms. | 23:24 |
| w00t | asidjazz: official line: they're targeted at different phone families entirely, my own theory: that plus they need to keep selling phones, and have an escape plan should maemo turn out to bomb | 23:24 |
| GAN900 | Maemo is fairly restricted in its hardware at the moment. | 23:24 |
| asidjazz | ok by ditch i dont mean abandon it | 23:24 |
| asidjazz | support it | 23:24 |
| asidjazz | actually if you read the press release | 23:25 |
| asidjazz | adn the demo | 23:25 |
| asidjazz | its not different phone families | 23:25 |
| asidjazz | theyve invested dev time on getting symbian to work better on more powerful phones | 23:25 |
| asidjazz | more touch screen and accelerometer support etc | 23:25 |
| Shapeshifter | ha, that 48gb sdhc nokia made up really is funny | 23:26 |
| RST38h | GAN: Looks like S60 management has heard the trumpet and struck back | 23:26 |
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| asidjazz | Shapeshifter: ? | 23:27 |
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| GAN900 | Ugh, I'm so not in shape for tomorrow. | 23:28 |
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| jebbajeb | hard to turn your back on something you've sold millions of. Not like maemo is ready for all nokia devices yet, by any stretch... | 23:28 |
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| Shapeshifter | asidjazz: http://maemo.nokia.com/features/media-player/ bottom right corner | 23:28 |
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| Shapeshifter | proves that the guys who make the ads have no clue whatsoever how the device works ;) but who doesn't expect that. It's marketing after all, it's like this everywhere. | 23:28 |
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| asidjazz | Shapeshifter: lolllll | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: caffeine time? | 23:29 |
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| asidjazz | lolll Stskeeps http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=408245#post408245 | 23:29 |
| asidjazz | are they kidding me? | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | asidjazz: 32gb + 16gb microsd | 23:30 |
| Shapeshifter | yeah they made it up. | 23:30 |
| Mysterious | hey have you heared that apple just registered a patent on advertising in oss and mobile telephones?^^ | 23:30 |
| asidjazz | Stskeeps: dood they put the total on the sd chip | 23:31 |
| asidjazz | theyre advertising a 48gb microsd chip | 23:31 |
| Mysterious | the system locks functions if you don't watch ads | 23:31 |
| Shapeshifter | Mysterious: what do you refer to as oss? | 23:31 |
| Shapeshifter | there's too many things called "oss". | 23:31 |
| Mysterious | yeah sorry I just wanted to say operating systems^^ | 23:32 |
| mgedmin | oses | 23:32 |
| Shapeshifter | ah | 23:32 |
| Mysterious | wasn't sure about that | 23:32 |
| Shapeshifter | moses? | 23:32 |
| mgedmin | noses? | 23:32 |
| Shapeshifter | multiple operating systems? | 23:32 |
| asidjazz | why didnt they make it 64gb | 23:32 |
| Mysterious | another reasonable point to not buy apple products, huh? | 23:32 |
| Mysterious | in their future oses | 23:32 |
| jebbajeb | 32 + 16 = 48G... | 23:33 |
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| Mysterious | perhaps they plan to advertise | 23:33 |
| Shapeshifter | asidjazz: current standard doesn't allow more then 32gb in sdhc | 23:33 |
| asidjazz | right | 23:33 |
| asidjazz | and theres 32gb internally | 23:33 |
| asidjazz | 32 + 32 = 64 | 23:33 |
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| Shapeshifter | mhh, right. | 23:34 |
| Shapeshifter | >.> | 23:34 |
| Shapeshifter | or not right? | 23:34 |
| jebbajeb | asidjazz: ya, but you can get a 16 gig microSD and it has 32G internal. That's where the number came from. anyway. | 23:34 |
| redeeman | sivang: do you recommend going with or without designer for a simple UI ? | 23:35 |
| Shapeshifter | asidjazz: yeah but you can also get a 32 sd card, no? | 23:35 |
| Shapeshifter | jebbajeb: ^ | 23:35 |
| asidjazz | am i not being clear? | 23:35 |
| jebbajeb | ah, never seen one. I only saw 16G (including looking in akihabara japan) | 23:35 |
| asidjazz | can the n900 have a total of 64gb ? | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | asidjazz: i've only seen 16gb microsd | 23:35 |
| Shapeshifter | mh. well standard goes up to 32 so it's a miracle they didn't advertise 64gb. | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | asidjazz: and that's probably what they tested with | 23:35 |
| jebbajeb | and what is actually available... | 23:36 |
| asidjazz | http://www.memorysuppliers.com/sandisk-microsd-32gb.html | 23:36 |
| jebbajeb | it's just a freakign graphic, not a spec sheet | 23:36 |
| asidjazz | either way | 23:36 |
| asidjazz | the basic point is | 23:36 |
| asidjazz | they took a microsd card | 23:36 |
| asidjazz | and phtooshopped the capacity on it | 23:36 |
| asidjazz | photoshopped* | 23:36 |
| asidjazz | which was _retarded_ | 23:36 |
| jebbajeb | asidjazz: i dont see a way to actually add that 32G chip to a real cart. | 23:37 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: I've seen a 32gb sd | 23:38 |
| Shapeshifter | who needs all that space anyway. | 23:38 |
| w00t | I was tempted to buy it | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: microsd. | 23:38 |
| w00t | I resisted though | 23:38 |
| w00t | oh. | 23:38 |
| w00t | hmm | 23:38 |
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| w00t | actually | 23:38 |
| jebbajeb | w00t: you can't buy it. | 23:38 |
| el_zilcho | I do | 23:38 |
| el_zilcho | why don't you need it? | 23:38 |
| el_zilcho | :) | 23:38 |
| Shapeshifter | on my laptop, I hardly ever used more then 30gb of my 120gb harddisk, and that's including a vbox XP. | 23:38 |
| blackxored | hello | 23:38 |
| el_zilcho | video + music + etc | 23:38 |
| jebbajeb | tons of music + fotos. | 23:38 |
| jebbajeb | video.... | 23:38 |
| blackxored | how can I get a maemo-enabled phone into cuba? | 23:38 |
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| jebbajeb | put it in your pocket and fly there? | 23:39 |
| w00t | Shapeshifter: you're lucky | 23:39 |
| Shapeshifter | music doesn't fit on a phone >.> | 23:39 |
| Shapeshifter | hardly can get enough music on my 160gb ipod. | 23:39 |
| w00t | Shapeshifter: I have a RAID array of 500gb, plus about 500gb in other storage floating around, and I'm still pressed for space | 23:39 |
| w00t | I should take Stskeeps' solution | 23:39 |
| w00t | :P | 23:39 |
| luke-jr | blackxored: are you actually in Cuba? | 23:39 |
| blackxored | jebbajeb, I'm the one who's in cuba | 23:39 |
| Shapeshifter | w00t: ah. well, sure, in my desktop + server I have around 2tb... but, on a mobile device? | 23:39 |
| jebbajeb | ah gotcha | 23:39 |
| luke-jr | you can access IRC from Cuba? | 23:39 |
| blackxored | luke-jr, yes | 23:39 |
| w00t | Shapeshifter: all of that (or most) is music + movies + shows | 23:39 |
| blackxored | luke-jr, that joke is old for me heheheh | 23:39 |
| el_zilcho | A couple gigs for reference book pdfs | 23:40 |
| luke-jr | blackxored: I'm serious | 23:40 |
| w00t | .. and some reference, yes | 23:40 |
| blackxored | luke-jr, yes I could | 23:40 |
| blackxored | back to the question, how to get such a phone in cuba? | 23:40 |
| w00t | I copied a 470mb album onto my n900 earlier.. | 23:40 |
| w00t | so yeah, I could use the space | 23:40 |
| Shapeshifter | w00t: mh. as I said, I have loads of stuff as well on my desktop. I'm just not the type to watch movies on a microscopic screen | 23:40 |
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| jebbajeb | blackxored: people actually in cuba would probably have a better idea how to do it. No idea how to ship things there. But I do know people who brought satellite fones to cuba. | 23:40 |
| el_zilcho | blackxored: i thought the embargoes were mainly the us | 23:40 |
| blackxored | see you guys tomorrow | 23:41 |
| Shapeshifter | microscopic in movie-watching-terms | 23:41 |
| el_zilcho | you can't get it from a european source? | 23:41 |
| blackxored | I'm leaving in a rush | 23:41 |
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| el_zilcho | lates | 23:41 |
| w00t | Shapeshifter: mm, I'd not make a -habit- of it, but if I'm travelling I would.. and music.. well.. I listen to a lot of :) | 23:41 |
| el_zilcho | nm | 23:41 |
| blackxored | with time tomorrow I'll enter here, (unless you ban me or drop the channel hehehe) | 23:41 |
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| jebbajeb | wtf | 23:41 |
| el_zilcho | no clue | 23:41 |
| el_zilcho | :) | 23:42 |
| Shapeshifter | w00t: meh. All about different usage patterns. As I mentioned I have a hard time choosing from my collection to put on my 160gb ipod, so the phone would be too small anyway. | 23:42 |
| w00t | *nod* | 23:42 |
| w00t | this is actually going to be my first (and only) portable player | 23:42 |
| Shapeshifter | mh ^^ | 23:42 |
| Shapeshifter | I hate the ipod. | 23:42 |
| el_zilcho | Shapeshifter: consider the size requirements of recording video | 23:42 |
| w00t | I don't like carrying one device around per function, so I love this | 23:43 |
| Shapeshifter | had an iriver H140 before. It was _awesome_. | 23:43 |
| Shapeshifter | el_zilcho: right. | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | As I understand it, SDXC is electrically compatible with SDHC | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | But needs some windows filesystem that I've forgotten the name of | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | It will work fine if you format it to ext3 | 23:43 |
| |R | exFAT or some such | 23:44 |
| SpeedEvil | So in principle in a couple of years, you'll see 32 and 64G microSDs | 23:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Think IPV6 vs IPV4 - it's often just a driver thing to get a NIC to support it. | 23:45 |
| |R | http://groups.google.com/group/fa.linux.kernel/browse_thread/thread/903eb182127e8f21/e2e23eeb3a016268 | 23:45 |
| |R | exFAT driver for linux | 23:45 |
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| |R | maybe support won't be so hard to get either | 23:45 |
| jebbajeb | gah, how about btrfs in a couple years... instead of using FAT crap | 23:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is there a way to drop a 'proper' linux onto SD/MMC in a chroot? | 23:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Something like a 4G debian image | 23:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Or slackware | 23:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | Or rather - is there a link to a howto for lazy people. | 23:47 |
| jebbajeb | huh? can't you just install it on SD, mount it, chroot in? | 23:47 |
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| Mysterious | has anyone tried to run the aircrack-suite on nokia n900? | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: 'Easy Debian' | 23:48 |
| Lorthirk | good night guys, see you tomorrow | 23:48 |
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| jebbajeb | 1) install on SD. 2) mount /dev/mmmcfoo /mnt/sd ; chroot /mnt/sd done! | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | jebbajeb: yes, I'd assume so. I am feeling particularly lazy at the moment though. | 23:48 |
| asidjazz | what do i do w/ these .install files in windows | 23:48 |
| asidjazz | via maemo.org/downloads | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | jebbajeb: so I wasn't wanting to work out which architecture and where to obtain it. | 23:48 |
| asidjazz | my n900 came w/ no dirvers or anything | 23:48 |
| jebbajeb | SpeedEvil: see easydebian perhaps | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | k | 23:49 |
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| jebbajeb | asidjazz: those .install files are to be read by the N900, not the windows system | 23:49 |
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| asidjazz | ooOooooOOooooOOoo | 23:50 |
| asidjazz | jebbajeb: are there files in maemo.org/downloads not in the app manager repositories? | 23:50 |
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| jebbajeb | SpeedEvil: http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0 that may help a bit | 23:51 |
| jebbajeb | asidjazz: i think everything there will be in one repo or another, eg extras, extras-testing, extras-devel | 23:51 |
| GAN900 | asidjazz, no, nothing on Downloads for Maemo 5 wont be in Extras. | 23:54 |
| GAN900 | Downloads is Extras only. | 23:54 |
| el_zilcho | For the SD card distro chrooting stuff, how does that work out as far as performance and hardware functionality? | 23:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | el_zilcho: generally, in most cases, you skip the 'normal' booting step. | 23:59 |
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