| *** kjoer has quit IRC | 00:00 | |
| tekonivel | perhaps it's a good idea to remind oneself that lesbians are into girls, no matter how many moomin cups one has ;) | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| tekonivel | :^) | 00:01 |
| tekonivel | but this was not why i came here | 00:01 |
| lcuk | lol indeed | 00:01 |
| tekonivel | the reason is that i saw some people with n900s, but i didn't stab them in the head | 00:01 |
| tekonivel | i'm not sure what got into me! | 00:01 |
| lcuk | where bouts are you? hel or outlying? | 00:02 |
| tekonivel | lcuk: helsinki | 00:02 |
| tekonivel | my n95 keeps randomly loosing programs i've installed | 00:02 |
| lcuk | cool, has the weather closed in fully then, or just a bit icy | 00:02 |
| *** tulkastaldo has joined #maemo | 00:02 | |
| tekonivel | i even paid for vBag, but i haven't seen in it in the menus this week | 00:03 |
| *** nielsslot has quit IRC | 00:04 | |
| lcuk | i somehow keep managing to randomly wipe my desktops, ive had it unlocked in pocket and it seems quite adept at self cleansing | 00:04 |
| tekonivel | it shouldn't be like this | 00:04 |
| wazd | ok, back to my miserable life again, cya chaps | 00:04 |
| tekonivel | wazd: cya | 00:04 |
| lcuk | cya wazd | 00:04 |
| javispedro | cy wazd | 00:04 |
| lcuk | we need to be able to save desktop layouts :) | 00:05 |
| lcuk | select them from profiles | 00:05 |
| tekonivel | and i installed Qik once, it vanished and now i cannot reinstall it | 00:05 |
| *** wazd has quit IRC | 00:05 | |
| tekonivel | srsly, vbag nor qik are *not* on this phone, anywhere in the menus | 00:06 |
| zaheerm-lp | i don;t know where in my rules file to put maemo-optify | 00:06 |
| lcuk | can you delete menu items | 00:06 |
| zaheerm-lp | i don't have dh_gencontrol | 00:06 |
| frals | my n95 has started acting up as well, i think it knows its about to be replaced :( | 00:06 |
| qwerty12_N900 | zaheerm: is it a CDBS rules file? | 00:06 |
| javispedro | my cx75 broke yesterday | 00:06 |
| tekonivel | could i pls hibernate until n900 hits the market? pretty pls | 00:06 |
| javispedro | the lcd cable broke and all it shows is a white screen | 00:07 |
| *** panaggio has joined #maemo | 00:07 | |
| zaheerm-lp | qwerty12_N900, ya | 00:07 |
| javispedro | so it seems the pre-n900 syndrome is not for nokia phones only. | 00:07 |
| * javispedro realizes his CX75 is in WSoD! | 00:07 | |
| qwerty12_N900 | zaheerm: I shoved it in package-name/binary-install:: (something like that; I hate CDBS) for the Droid Sans fonts | 00:09 |
| zaheerm-lp | qwerty12_N900, interesting idea | 00:09 |
| qwerty12_N900 | binary-install/ttf-droid:: | 00:10 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N900: so if you have cdbs why you use it? >:) | 00:10 |
| javispedro | s/have/hate | 00:10 |
| qwerty12_N900 | <tab>maemo-optify | 00:10 |
| zaheerm-lp | qwerty12_N900, inside rules right: | 00:10 |
| qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: Package from Ubuntu was using it and I really did not see the point of switching just for some fonts :) | 00:11 |
| qwerty12_N900 | zaheerm: yep | 00:11 |
| zaheerm-lp | whats diff between binary-install and install ? | 00:11 |
| *** warp10 has quit IRC | 00:12 | |
| *** bhead has joined #maemo | 00:12 | |
| lcuk | 11101010 00101101 00101010 10010101 01010101 01011111 | 00:12 |
| lcuk | or do you need more info? | 00:12 |
| zaheerm-lp | i know what binary is :P | 00:12 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Stuff in binary-install gets looked at after stuff like dh_install has been ran. Not sure how this differs to install come think of it... | 00:12 |
| *** tonikitoo has quit IRC | 00:12 | |
| mikkov__ | binary-predeb/ puts is closer to dh_gencontrol, but it doesn't seem matter | 00:13 |
| *** kjoer has joined #maemo | 00:13 | |
| *** beatpanic has quit IRC | 00:14 | |
| *** tonikitoo has joined #maemo | 00:15 | |
| *** n6pfk has quit IRC | 00:16 | |
| zaheerm-lp | qwerty12_N900, thx i built my optified gst-ffmpeg inside my sbox, now to upload it to extras-devel | 00:16 |
| *** b-man17 has quit IRC | 00:16 | |
| qwerty12_N900 | Awesome. Thanks! :) | 00:17 |
| zaheerm-lp | will save me 5MB on my device too :) | 00:18 |
| *** VDVsx has quit IRC | 00:23 | |
| zaheerm-lp | there is a thread with 116 pages on t.m.o | 00:23 |
| zaheerm-lp | that is crazy | 00:23 |
| javispedro | "only" 116 pages | 00:23 |
| *** bhead has quit IRC | 00:25 | |
| zaheerm-lp | :) | 00:26 |
| lcuk | shouild add a posting time delay based on the size of the thread | 00:26 |
| * javispedro realizes blurring does not work using vmgl | 00:26 | |
| javispedro | damn! this time sink is even more hungry | 00:26 |
| lcuk | balance it so by the time you get to 50 pages the delay is just shy of a millenium | 00:26 |
| qwerty12_N900 | This a good time to mention that you can increase the amount of posts shown per page? | 00:28 |
| zaheerm-lp | is there a way to check from an installled pkg which repo it came from? | 00:28 |
| *** VDVsx has joined #maemo | 00:30 | |
| *** KMFDM has quit IRC | 00:31 | |
| * qwerty12_N900 thanks _|Nix|_ for Notification Area | 00:33 | |
| wiretapped | zaheerm-lp: apt-cache policy pkgname | 00:33 |
| zaheerm-lp | wiretapped, thx | 00:34 |
| *** benh has joined #maemo | 00:34 | |
| ShadowJK | lcuk, that's a good way to spawn hundreds of threads on the same subject | 00:35 |
| wiretapped | btw, dpkg doesn't know where packages where installed pacakges actually came from | 00:35 |
| zaheerm-lp | damn pkg is in a repo in downloads.maemo.nokia.com | 00:35 |
| wiretapped | apt-cache policy merely tells you what versions are available where, and what is installed | 00:35 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, and thats different to now? | 00:35 |
| zaheerm-lp | i wanted to edit the package | 00:35 |
| wiretapped | s/where packages// | 00:36 |
| lcuk | many forums have a posting limit | 00:36 |
| wiretapped | zaheerm-lp: why damn? | 00:36 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.thelocal.se/21842/20090902/ | 00:36 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 00:36 |
| zaheerm-lp | i can't see the index pages on that web page, no idea how to d/l the src package | 00:37 |
| *** Vulcanis has quit IRC | 00:37 | |
| *** beatpanic has joined #maemo | 00:37 | |
| wiretapped | if it is a proper repo with a src repo, you can duplicate its line in sources.list and s/deb/deb-src/ and apt-get update and apt-get source pkgname | 00:38 |
| zaheerm-lp | wiretapped: interesting | 00:38 |
| wiretapped | but it'd be surprised if *.nokia.com was proper like that :/ | 00:38 |
| zaheerm-lp | thx | 00:38 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk, i guess you need moderators willing to merge threads :/ | 00:38 |
| wiretapped | I'd be | 00:38 |
| zaheerm-lp | i'll try | 00:38 |
| lcuk | yikes i hate merged threads | 00:38 |
| lcuk | it gets more confusing than discussing same thing in multiple places | 00:38 |
| qwerty12_N900 | It does? | 00:39 |
| qwerty12_N900 | sjgadsby has been merging a lot of threads recently. 'Tis useful | 00:39 |
| *** acouto has quit IRC | 00:41 | |
| Jaffa | zaheerm: sorry for the late reply, semi-known issue. If you could raise a bug that'd be fantastic as I've got questions about such a usecase | 00:42 |
| * Jaffa is not an N97 fan, btw | 00:43 | |
| *** hally has left #maemo | 00:43 | |
| *** hally has joined #maemo | 00:43 | |
| Jaffa | Received one today (not with the new OS AFAICT) and it's so clunky and primitive. | 00:44 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, the tilting hardware is nice tho | 00:46 |
| lcuk | is it a mini>? | 00:46 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: no, fullsize | 00:46 |
| * lcuk nods | 00:47 | |
| lcuk | i like the mini, got to play with one in london | 00:47 |
| Jaffa | keyboard's not as good as N900, it's a little bigger and a lot lighter | 00:47 |
| lcuk | i quite like the idea of getting maemo on it tbh | 00:47 |
| GAN900 | Booklet 3G's keys are too small. | 00:47 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Is the layout just as odd as the N900's, Jaffa? | 00:47 |
| lcuk | you got one? | 00:48 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N900, afaik its pretty similar | 00:48 |
| GAN900 | Tried one at Best Buy last night. | 00:48 |
| *** ablack_ has joined #Maemo | 00:48 | |
| *** matt_c has quit IRC | 00:49 | |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N900: Similar. Blue arrow on right is a problem for me as a lefty. | 00:49 |
| GAN900 | Build quality is great. Minus the trackpad buttons and the keyboard. | 00:49 |
| Jaffa | Anyone know the UK launch date of the booklet? | 00:49 |
| zaheerm-lp | built on my scratchbox fine failed on autobuilder :( maemo-optify | 00:49 |
| zaheerm-lp | print() on closed filehandle $out at /usr/bin/maemo-optify line 220. | 00:49 |
| zaheerm-lp | print() on closed filehandle $out at /usr/bin/maemo-optify line 183.Bad file descriptor at /usr/bin/maemo-optify line 240. | 00:49 |
| GAN900 | Tried a Sholes dummy unit. | 00:49 |
| *** n000b has joined #maemo | 00:49 | |
| Jaffa | GAN900: I had a brief play at NokiaWorld and thought the kb wasn't bad | 00:49 |
| GAN900 | The slide tried to cut my fingers. | 00:49 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Jaffa: The real problem, here, is being a lefty in the first place ;p | 00:49 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, too much space between keys. | 00:50 |
| Jaffa | I wouldn't pay the 500gbp for one | 00:50 |
| GAN900 | Keys should've been larger. | 00:50 |
| zaheerm-lp | n97 has crappy hardware in comparison | 00:50 |
| GAN900 | qwerty12, indeed. It certainly explains a lot, though. ;) | 00:50 |
| *** EspadaV8_L has joined #maemo | 00:50 | |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N900: :-p | 00:50 |
| GAN900 | The dpad on the Sholes is not only ugly, it's useless. | 00:51 |
| *** kjoer has quit IRC | 00:51 | |
| * Jaffa has considered trying the N97 as his main phone for a few days, but I dunno... | 00:51 | |
| *** decasm has left #maemo | 00:52 | |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, over the N900? ;) | 00:53 |
| zaheerm-lp | different version of maemo-optify on autobuilder to one in my sbox..no line 220 in my maemo-optify | 00:53 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: thought I'd give it a fair go | 00:53 |
| Jaffa | zaheerm-lp: m-vo's been making changes. mail maemo-developers | 00:53 |
| *** aloisiojr has joined #maemo | 00:54 | |
| *** n000b has quit IRC | 00:54 | |
| zaheerm-lp | the thing i miss on my e71 is the keyboard | 00:54 |
| * Jaffa goes to settle the baby, then sleep | 00:54 | |
| *** elninja has joined #maemo | 00:54 | |
| zaheerm-lp | Jaffa, night | 00:55 |
| *** rdorsch has quit IRC | 00:55 | |
| *** matt_c has joined #maemo | 00:55 | |
| *** andre__ has quit IRC | 00:56 | |
| *** matt_c has quit IRC | 00:57 | |
| *** lbt_ has joined #maemo | 00:59 | |
| *** briglia has quit IRC | 00:59 | |
| *** JPohlmann has joined #maemo | 01:02 | |
| *** kjoer has joined #maemo | 01:07 | |
| *** AndrewFBlack has quit IRC | 01:08 | |
| *** lbt has quit IRC | 01:10 | |
| *** Mozillion has quit IRC | 01:11 | |
| *** fluff is now known as fluff|afk | 01:15 | |
| *** millenomi has joined #maemo | 01:17 | |
| *** dmj7262 has joined #maemo | 01:19 | |
| *** shpaq_ has joined #maemo | 01:19 | |
| *** shpaq has quit IRC | 01:22 | |
| *** L0cMini9 has quit IRC | 01:24 | |
| *** Sho_ has quit IRC | 01:25 | |
| *** |dl9pf| has quit IRC | 01:25 | |
| dmj7262 | Anybody looked at porting a simplified version of a video editor? | 01:26 |
| dmj7262 | ...say openshot...that's in python using gstreamer I think. | 01:27 |
| zaheerm-lp | dmj7261, that's the stuff i put up on t.m.o | 01:27 |
| zaheerm-lp | the hardest part to get right in a video editor is the UI | 01:27 |
| *** asys3 has quit IRC | 01:27 | |
| zaheerm-lp | the backend stuff gstreamer with gnonlin does a lot of the work for you | 01:28 |
| zaheerm-lp | so i wouldn't port a video editor, more work on a UI concept that would fit the device | 01:28 |
| *** blade_runner has quit IRC | 01:28 | |
| *** frade has joined #maemo | 01:28 | |
| zaheerm-lp | then get that coded up and hook up the gst/gnl logic | 01:28 |
| *** Sho_ has joined #maemo | 01:29 | |
| * lcuk gulps | 01:35 | |
| *** frade has quit IRC | 01:36 | |
| dmj7262 | hmm | 01:36 |
| lcuk | zaheerm, dmj7261 the barca conf :) | 01:36 |
| lcuk | see what work they are doing in the mirror app | 01:36 |
| zaheerm-lp | yah i just mentioned it 1/2 hr ago in the barca conf thread | 01:37 |
| lcuk | yeah i know | 01:37 |
| *** SpeedEvil1 has joined #maemo | 01:37 | |
| lcuk | hence the smile | 01:37 |
| lcuk | its a great idea and advances from the cocreation stuff | 01:37 |
| *** florian has quit IRC | 01:38 | |
| *** kalikiana has joined #maemo | 01:38 | |
| lcuk | zaheerm, i wonder.. | 01:38 |
| dmj7262 | oh and add music! | 01:38 |
| zaheerm-lp | dmj7262, yep | 01:39 |
| lcuk | music would be good, to expand on theramin :) | 01:39 |
| lcuk | hes got a server infrastructure | 01:39 |
| lcuk | use that as a base layer and make a band app :P | 01:40 |
| dmj7262 | get multiple n900s together for an n900 orchestra! | 01:40 |
| lcuk | dmj7261 :) thats my dept | 01:41 |
| *** b0unc3_ has joined #maemo | 01:41 | |
| zaheerm-lp | the speakers at least are decent-ish on the n900 | 01:41 |
| zaheerm-lp | unlike most phones | 01:41 |
| lcuk | very sideways oriented tho | 01:41 |
| zaheerm-lp | yah | 01:41 |
| lcuk | for personal listening some bat ear deflector diskes are needed | 01:41 |
| lcuk | i didnt have headphones on the train | 01:42 |
| zaheerm-lp | lol | 01:42 |
| *** SpeedEvil has quit IRC | 01:42 | |
| lcuk | and couldnt hear it unless i cupped hands | 01:42 |
| lcuk | to bounce the sound towards me | 01:42 |
| lcuk | was tryin not to have it loud enough | 01:42 |
| lcuk | to bug ppl | 01:42 |
| lcuk | folding arms infront was good enough | 01:42 |
| *** n6pfk has joined #maemo | 01:43 | |
| dmj7262 | at least the n900 has speakers loud enough where you're trying to conceal the sound! | 01:43 |
| dmj7262 | I have the opposite problem on my eee pc 900 | 01:43 |
| *** Xisdibik has quit IRC | 01:43 | |
| zaheerm-lp | dmj7262, and my asus u6s 12" laptop too! | 01:43 |
| lcuk | dmj7261, it was on very low at the edge of hearing unless i cupped hands | 01:44 |
| lcuk | and then its volume went up enough, the sound was just vanishing towards the rest of the train | 01:44 |
| lcuk | i couldv turned it up much more! | 01:45 |
| lcuk | i thought about keesj's push button and if it had the correctly shaped sides it would deflect sound better | 01:45 |
| *** millenomi has quit IRC | 01:46 | |
| dmj7262 | looks like the iphone has a video editor | 01:47 |
| *** dolphin has quit IRC | 01:47 | |
| zaheerm-lp | time for me to sleep i think | 01:47 |
| *** Mozillion has joined #maemo | 01:48 | |
| *** zaheerm-lp has quit IRC | 01:48 | |
| dmj7262 | look up reeldirector | 01:49 |
| *** SpeedEvil1 is now known as SpeedEvil | 01:49 | |
| dmj7262 | no audio editing capabilities though | 01:51 |
| *** b0unc3 has quit IRC | 01:53 | |
| *** EspadaV8_L has quit IRC | 01:57 | |
| dmj7262 | it's only for the 3gs | 02:00 |
| dmj7262 | "After months of laboring and overcoming the limitations of iPhone's memory and processing power..." | 02:01 |
| dmj7262 | I suspect that landscape might be better for video editing. | 02:03 |
| *** hellwolf-n810 has joined #maemo | 02:03 | |
| *** Dantonic has quit IRC | 02:05 | |
| *** hap has quit IRC | 02:08 | |
| *** Firebird has joined #maemo | 02:10 | |
| *** pupnik has joined #maemo | 02:10 | |
| *** hap has joined #maemo | 02:10 | |
| *** filip42 has quit IRC | 02:15 | |
| *** javispedro has quit IRC | 02:20 | |
| *** lardman has quit IRC | 02:21 | |
| *** zap_ has quit IRC | 02:22 | |
| *** eichi has quit IRC | 02:23 | |
| *** eichi has joined #maemo | 02:24 | |
| *** pupnik_ has quit IRC | 02:27 | |
| *** dottedmag has quit IRC | 02:30 | |
| *** mikkov__ has quit IRC | 02:30 | |
| *** dottedmag has joined #maemo | 02:30 | |
| *** promulo has joined #maemo | 02:31 | |
| *** Ryback_ has quit IRC | 02:33 | |
| *** pvanhoof has quit IRC | 02:40 | |
| *** m77771111 has joined #maemo | 02:40 | |
| m77771111 | Hi! | 02:40 |
| *** victorpoluceno has joined #maemo | 02:40 | |
| m77771111 | I am tired to find simple graphics editor that can save images to jpeg, png...) | 02:40 |
| m77771111 | Want to draw simple pictures and have jpg ) "MyPaint" is very heavy) ) | 02:41 |
| dmj7262 | maybe xournal? | 02:41 |
| dmj7262 | not really a graphics editor, but simple sketches should be doable. | 02:42 |
| m77771111 | can it save sketches to jpeg? :) | 02:43 |
| dmj7262 | um...not sure | 02:43 |
| dmj7262 | probably | 02:43 |
| dmj7262 | are you on n8x0? | 02:44 |
| m77771111 | 810 | 02:44 |
| *** hardaker has quit IRC | 02:45 | |
| *** n6pfk has quit IRC | 02:45 | |
| m77771111 | no, xournal can't save in jpg... Just in some its format | 02:49 |
| *** Openfree has quit IRC | 02:49 | |
| lcuk | m77771111, liqbase :) | 02:50 |
| lcuk | and you could always just take screenshots with any app | 02:50 |
| *** aloisiojr has quit IRC | 02:51 | |
| m77771111 | liqbase is only for screenshots? | 02:52 |
| lcuk | no, and my mistake i misread | 02:52 |
| lcuk | it doesnt do png yet either | 02:52 |
| m77771111 | jpg? | 02:52 |
| lcuk | well the normal one doesnt but it could be easily added, why do you need png | 02:52 |
| lcuk | i mean a bitmap format, not a specific image class | 02:53 |
| m77771111 | dont understand you | 02:53 |
| lcuk | liqbase still saves in vectors but is really simple | 02:53 |
| m77771111 | Can it allow me to draw and save to jpg? (y/n) | 02:53 |
| lcuk | no | 02:54 |
| lcuk | m77771111, but why do you need jpg or png | 02:54 |
| m77771111 | i need to post images to Forum ) | 02:55 |
| m77771111 | I need to sketch, upload them (some image server), and insert links to forums | 02:56 |
| lcuk | i have a postcard app | 02:56 |
| lcuk | it lets me draw a sketch | 02:57 |
| lcuk | combine with a pic | 02:57 |
| lcuk | and uploads a png to my server | 02:57 |
| lcuk | perhaps it could be adapted to your needs easily | 02:57 |
| lcuk | the sketching is simplistic and essentially pencil drawing | 02:57 |
| lcuk | ui http://liqbase.net/liq.20090831_025549.ctrlliqpostcard_intro1.scr.png | 02:58 |
| lcuk | result http://liqbase.net/liqbase_media.php?username=lcuk&id=203 | 02:58 |
| m77771111 | I am glad ) | 02:58 |
| m77771111 | But what i need to install? :) | 02:58 |
| lcuk | to change the app to your needs | 02:59 |
| lcuk | or to play yourself | 02:59 |
| lcuk | and try things | 02:59 |
| lcuk | either way, liqbase-playground | 02:59 |
| *** panaggio has quit IRC | 02:59 | |
| lcuk | it installs quite a lot | 02:59 |
| lcuk | different smaller apps | 02:59 |
| lcuk | the postcard is just one of them | 02:59 |
| *** realitygaps has joined #maemo | 03:00 | |
| *** n6pfk has joined #maemo | 03:00 | |
| m77771111 | i found installed application "sketch". Is saves to png. | 03:00 |
| *** realitygaps has quit IRC | 03:01 | |
| *** eichi has quit IRC | 03:03 | |
| *** eichi has joined #maemo | 03:04 | |
| *** Meiz_TB has quit IRC | 03:06 | |
| *** rsalveti has quit IRC | 03:07 | |
| *** kjoer has quit IRC | 03:07 | |
| *** alehorst has quit IRC | 03:07 | |
| *** alehorst has joined #maemo | 03:10 | |
| *** n6pfk has quit IRC | 03:10 | |
| *** Meiz_TB has joined #maemo | 03:12 | |
| *** k-s is now known as k-s[AWAY] | 03:13 | |
| *** Sargun has quit IRC | 03:15 | |
| *** realitygaps has joined #maemo | 03:17 | |
| *** n6pfk has joined #maemo | 03:17 | |
| *** setanta has quit IRC | 03:22 | |
| *** JamieBennett has quit IRC | 03:24 | |
| *** kjoer has joined #maemo | 03:25 | |
| *** iDialekt has quit IRC | 03:25 | |
| *** dottedmag has quit IRC | 03:26 | |
| *** JamieBennett has joined #maemo | 03:27 | |
| *** dottedmag has joined #maemo | 03:28 | |
| *** Meiz_TB has quit IRC | 03:31 | |
| *** eichi has quit IRC | 03:31 | |
| *** yerga has quit IRC | 03:31 | |
| *** eichi has joined #maemo | 03:32 | |
| *** cjdavis1 is now known as cjdavis | 03:33 | |
| *** rsalveti has joined #maemo | 03:34 | |
| *** ezadkiel_mB has joined #maemo | 03:38 | |
| *** JPohlmann has quit IRC | 03:41 | |
| *** Openfree` has joined #maemo | 03:50 | |
| *** ezadkiel_mB_ has quit IRC | 03:53 | |
| *** yerga has joined #maemo | 04:00 | |
| *** realitygaps has quit IRC | 04:00 | |
| *** JamieBennett has quit IRC | 04:00 | |
| *** tonikitoo has quit IRC | 04:01 | |
| *** realitygaps has joined #maemo | 04:02 | |
| *** mihu1 has joined #maemo | 04:02 | |
| *** hassanakevazir has quit IRC | 04:03 | |
| *** VDVsx has quit IRC | 04:04 | |
| *** hassanakevazir has joined #maemo | 04:04 | |
| *** dmj7262 has quit IRC | 04:05 | |
| *** mihu has quit IRC | 04:05 | |
| *** realitygaps has quit IRC | 04:09 | |
| *** emma has joined #maemo | 04:10 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 04:11 | |
| *** JamieBennett has joined #maemo | 04:17 | |
| *** victorpoluceno has quit IRC | 04:18 | |
| *** eichi has quit IRC | 04:23 | |
| *** boogeyman has joined #maemo | 04:25 | |
| *** qwerty12_N900 has quit IRC | 04:27 | |
| *** radic_ has quit IRC | 04:27 | |
| *** radic_ has joined #maemo | 04:27 | |
| *** n6pfk has quit IRC | 04:32 | |
| *** CutMeOwnThroat has quit IRC | 04:33 | |
| *** n6pfk has joined #maemo | 04:34 | |
| *** dreamer__ has joined #maemo | 04:36 | |
| *** philipl has joined #maemo | 04:36 | |
| *** k-s[AWAY] is now known as k-s | 04:38 | |
| *** Mousey has quit IRC | 04:38 | |
| *** ezadkiel_mB_ has joined #maemo | 04:40 | |
| *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC | 04:43 | |
| *** tom-davidson has quit IRC | 04:48 | |
| *** hardaker has joined #maemo | 04:49 | |
| *** Vulcanis has joined #maemo | 04:51 | |
| *** emma has quit IRC | 04:53 | |
| *** tomdavidson has joined #maemo | 04:54 | |
| *** robink has quit IRC | 04:56 | |
| *** ezadkiel_mB has quit IRC | 04:57 | |
| *** hardaker has quit IRC | 05:10 | |
| *** anselmolsm has quit IRC | 05:13 | |
| *** borism_ has joined #maemo | 05:15 | |
| *** philipl has quit IRC | 05:17 | |
| *** pcfe has quit IRC | 05:19 | |
| *** pcfe has joined #maemo | 05:20 | |
| *** borism has quit IRC | 05:21 | |
| *** borism has joined #maemo | 05:22 | |
| *** lcuk has quit IRC | 05:23 | |
| *** hardaker has joined #maemo | 05:24 | |
| *** borism_ has quit IRC | 05:27 | |
| *** ezadkiel_mB_ has quit IRC | 05:31 | |
| *** ezadkiel_mB has joined #maemo | 05:34 | |
| *** ian_r1 has joined #maemo | 05:36 | |
| *** g55 has quit IRC | 05:37 | |
| *** dottedmag has quit IRC | 05:46 | |
| *** dottedmag has joined #maemo | 05:47 | |
| *** g55 has joined #maemo | 05:48 | |
| *** uhsf has quit IRC | 05:58 | |
| *** r2d2rogers has quit IRC | 05:59 | |
| *** gunni_ has joined #maemo | 05:59 | |
| *** dmj7261 has quit IRC | 06:04 | |
| *** dmj7261 has joined #maemo | 06:07 | |
| *** gunni has quit IRC | 06:15 | |
| *** rsalveti has quit IRC | 06:18 | |
| *** rsalveti has joined #maemo | 06:18 | |
| *** dragorn has quit IRC | 06:31 | |
| *** Firebird has quit IRC | 06:34 | |
| *** n6pfk has quit IRC | 06:34 | |
| * xnt14 feels bored lol | 06:39 | |
| * xnt14 pokes someone random | 06:39 | |
| xnt14 | hmm | 06:39 |
| v2px_ | ouch | 06:39 |
| xnt14 | ~random | 06:39 |
| * infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... o'reilly... free computer books online from O'reilly at http://www.oreilly.com/ | 06:39 | |
| xnt14 | xD | 06:39 |
| xnt14 | ~random v2px_ | 06:39 |
| * infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... ... | 06:40 | |
| v2px_ | if you're bored: read a book! | 06:40 |
| v2px_ | aw, nothing for me | 06:40 |
| * xnt14 has already read one artemis fowl book, and two fanfics (17 chapters) in the last 8 hours | 06:40 | |
| xnt14 | ~random | 06:41 |
| * infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... i want apt's body... Take me, xnt14! | 06:41 | |
| xnt14 | wtf. | 06:41 |
| v2px_ | lmao | 06:41 |
| xnt14 | lol | 06:41 |
| xnt14 | ~random | 06:41 |
| * infobot pulls out the cookie jar and finds rfc407... Remote Job Entry Protocol. R.D. Bressler, R. Guida, A.M. McKenzie. Oct-16-1972. (Not online) (Obsoletes RFC0360) (Status: HISTORIC) | 06:41 | |
| xnt14 | ~random n900 | 06:41 |
| * infobot pulls out the cookie jar and finds port 2395... lan900_remote - LAN900 Remote | 06:41 | |
| xnt14 | ~random nokia | 06:41 |
| * infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... nit... Nokia Internet Tablet | 06:41 | |
| xnt14 | lol | 06:42 |
| xnt14 | ~random irc | 06:42 |
| * infobot pulls out the cookie jar and finds do a dance... grabs xnt14 and (bends him over|swings him around in circles|tosses him in the air|gives him a lap dance) | 06:42 | |
| v2px_ | hahaha | 06:42 |
| xnt14 | xD | 06:42 |
| xnt14 | ~random boredom | 06:42 |
| * infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... rfc 1438... Internet Engineering Task Force Statements Of Boredom (SOBs). A. Lyman Chapin & C. Huitema. 1 April 1993. (Format: TXT=3044 bytes) (Status: INFORMATIONAL) | 06:42 | |
| xnt14 | lol | 06:42 |
| xnt14 | ~boredom | 06:43 |
| infobot | boredom is, like, the main motivation for you people talking to me, dont think I dont realise that. | 06:43 |
| xnt14 | lol | 06:43 |
| v2px_ | :> | 06:43 |
| * xnt14 runs when he sees GeneralAntilles glaring at him for bot spam xD | 06:43 | |
| v2px_ | we need a rps bot for boring nights | 06:44 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 06:44 |
| yuizy | ~useless | 06:45 |
| * infobot starts crying and hides from yuizy in the darkest corner of the room. :( | 06:45 | |
| xnt14 | ~cookie | 06:45 |
| * infobot pulls out the cookie jar and finds hey how... are you;`cat /etc/passwd` | 06:45 | |
| xnt14 | ~fly | 06:45 |
| * infobot flies a F16, or http://photos.photosig.com/photos/85/49/1144985-bf2effb0adcf81c9.jpg | 06:45 | |
| yuizy | ~kill | 06:45 |
| xnt14 | fail. infobot should fly an f22 | 06:45 |
| yuizy | :( | 06:45 |
| v2px_ | is he dead now? :( | 06:45 |
| xnt14 | ~zombie | 06:46 |
| infobot | somebody said zombie was a zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent,just ignore the zombie. | 06:46 |
| yuizy | i think i killed him | 06:46 |
| xnt14 | ~funeral | 06:46 |
| xnt14 | :,( | 06:46 |
| xnt14 | :P | 06:46 |
| v2px_ | ~infobot | 06:46 |
| infobot | i heard infobot is a hack!, or known to have only said one useful thing. a tool, or dating the fembots, or [TK]D-Fender's b*tch, or suck, or a pain in the ass | 06:46 |
| xnt14 | ~play cod4 | 06:47 |
| xnt14 | ~fail | 06:47 |
| infobot | rumour has it, fail is what happens to you when you follow gamespot's game advice. standing in the fire. | 06:47 |
| xnt14 | ~killall infobot | 06:48 |
| xnt14 | ~die | 06:48 |
| * infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. | 06:48 | |
| *** JamieBennett1 has joined #maemo | 06:48 | |
| xnt14 | lol | 06:48 |
| v2px_ | ~easteregg | 06:48 |
| xnt14 | I think *now* hes dead :P | 06:48 |
| *** Bleadof has quit IRC | 06:49 | |
| *** Bleadof has joined #maemo | 06:49 | |
| xnt14 | ~kill v2px_ | 06:49 |
| * infobot shoots a magneto-ionized anti-graviton gun at v2px_ | 06:49 | |
| xnt14 | ~chase v2px_ | 06:50 |
| * infobot chases v2px_ | 06:50 | |
| *** Bleadof has quit IRC | 06:50 | |
| xnt14 | ~seen lcuk | 06:51 |
| infobot | lcuk <i=lcuk@Maemo/community/contributor/lcuk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3h 51m 17s ago, saying: 'the postcard is just one of them'. | 06:51 |
| xnt14 | hmm ;P | 06:51 |
| *** coyotebush has joined #maemo | 06:52 | |
| xnt14 | ~kill theidiotwhoinventedboredom | 06:52 |
| * infobot shoots a hyper-charged fluxphoton gun at theidiotwhoinventedboredom | 06:52 | |
| * xnt14 spots GeneralAntilles, and then silently sneaks way... | 06:53 | |
| dreamer__ | anyone know if a package that provides GL/glu.h is in the repo | 06:53 |
| *** JamieBennett has quit IRC | 06:53 | |
| * xnt14 remembers that his science teacher will kill him if he doesn't finish this lab. brb | 06:54 | |
| *** Bleadof has joined #maemo | 06:54 | |
| *** Bleadof has quit IRC | 06:55 | |
| *** emma has joined #maemo | 06:58 | |
| *** Bleadof has joined #maemo | 06:59 | |
| *** Bleadof has quit IRC | 07:02 | |
| *** droid0011 has joined #maemo | 07:03 | |
| *** b0unc3 has joined #maemo | 07:04 | |
| *** Bleadof has joined #maemo | 07:04 | |
| *** coyotebush has left #maemo | 07:05 | |
| *** Bleadof has quit IRC | 07:06 | |
| *** xnt14 has quit IRC | 07:06 | |
| *** swc|666 has quit IRC | 07:07 | |
| *** ian_r has joined #maemo | 07:07 | |
| *** n6pfk has joined #maemo | 07:07 | |
| *** ian_r1 has quit IRC | 07:07 | |
| *** ian_r has left #maemo | 07:07 | |
| *** Bleadof has joined #maemo | 07:09 | |
| *** Bleadof has quit IRC | 07:10 | |
| *** Bleadof has joined #maemo | 07:14 | |
| *** kalikianatoli has joined #maemo | 07:16 | |
| *** Bleadof has quit IRC | 07:16 | |
| *** kalikiana has quit IRC | 07:16 | |
| *** vladovg has joined #maemo | 07:17 | |
| *** droid001 has quit IRC | 07:18 | |
| *** Bleadof has joined #maemo | 07:19 | |
| *** b0unc3_ has quit IRC | 07:20 | |
| *** holydevil_ has joined #maemo | 07:23 | |
| *** Shinto has joined #maemo | 07:25 | |
| *** Moku has quit IRC | 07:27 | |
| *** Ave has quit IRC | 07:29 | |
| *** Sho_ has quit IRC | 07:31 | |
| *** petteri has quit IRC | 07:32 | |
| *** kalikianatoli has quit IRC | 07:33 | |
| *** Myrtti has quit IRC | 07:33 | |
| *** riussi has quit IRC | 07:33 | |
| *** rouex has joined #maemo | 07:35 | |
| *** Summeli has quit IRC | 07:36 | |
| *** Dasajev has quit IRC | 07:36 | |
| *** roope has quit IRC | 07:36 | |
| *** trofi has quit IRC | 07:37 | |
| *** xxiao has quit IRC | 07:44 | |
| *** mnurmi has quit IRC | 07:47 | |
| *** dmj7261 has quit IRC | 07:58 | |
| *** robink has joined #maemo | 07:58 | |
| Flandry__ | what's going on here XD | 08:01 |
| johnx | not too much | 08:01 |
| johnx | what's going on there? | 08:02 |
| Flandry__ | i had no idea infobot was so versatile :P | 08:02 |
| Flandry__ | ~make a cake? | 08:02 |
| infobot | make: *** No rule to make target `a cake'. Stop. | 08:02 |
| johnx | ~botsnack | 08:02 |
| infobot | johnx: aw, gee | 08:02 |
| *** dmj7261 has joined #maemo | 08:02 | |
| Flandry__ | ~make sense | 08:02 |
| infobot | make: *** No rule to make target `sense'. Stop. | 08:02 |
| Flandry__ | lol | 08:02 |
| dmj7261 | I've got a good name for a simple video editor for the n900. | 08:04 |
| *** JamieBennett has joined #maemo | 08:04 | |
| dmj7261 | maeMovie | 08:04 |
| *** JamieBennett1 has quit IRC | 08:04 | |
| *** Sargun has joined #maemo | 08:05 | |
| *** macmaN6789 has joined #maemo | 08:06 | |
| *** riussi has joined #maemo | 08:12 | |
| *** Ave has joined #maemo | 08:14 | |
| *** roope has joined #maemo | 08:16 | |
| *** Flandry__ is now known as Flandry | 08:16 | |
| *** Myrtti has joined #maemo | 08:16 | |
| *** Summeli has joined #maemo | 08:17 | |
| *** Dasajev has joined #maemo | 08:17 | |
| *** mnurmi has joined #maemo | 08:20 | |
| *** petteri has joined #maemo | 08:27 | |
| *** _jason553839 has joined #maemo | 08:29 | |
| *** aloisiojr has joined #maemo | 08:33 | |
| *** KMFDM has joined #maemo | 08:35 | |
| *** hardaker has quit IRC | 08:39 | |
| *** rouex has quit IRC | 08:42 | |
| *** ablack__ has joined #Maemo | 08:43 | |
| RST38h | EHLO ALL | 08:46 |
| *** jnettlet_ has quit IRC | 08:47 | |
| *** caotic has quit IRC | 08:51 | |
| *** derf has quit IRC | 08:53 | |
| *** _jason553839 has quit IRC | 08:54 | |
| *** ferdna has quit IRC | 08:55 | |
| *** zap_ has joined #maemo | 08:57 | |
| *** dottedmag has quit IRC | 08:58 | |
| *** millenomi has joined #maemo | 09:00 | |
| *** benh has quit IRC | 09:02 | |
| *** ablack_ has quit IRC | 09:03 | |
| *** warp10 has joined #maemo | 09:03 | |
| *** derf has joined #maemo | 09:04 | |
| *** mrkiko has joined #maemo | 09:05 | |
| mrkiko | Hi all! I'm starting an adventure right now - wanting to run Linux on my Nokia N95 for no special purpose, just learn. | 09:05 |
| *** tekojo has joined #maemo | 09:06 | |
| mrkiko | Can someone tell me where to start? Or what to do first? I know I can't use jtag, for sure | 09:06 |
| *** Vulcanis has quit IRC | 09:08 | |
| *** Openfree` has quit IRC | 09:09 | |
| *** kjoer has quit IRC | 09:16 | |
| courmisch | mrkiko: the secure boot loader wont allow you to boot Linux on N95 | 09:17 |
| courmisch | AFAIK, it will only load trusted Nokia flash images | 09:17 |
| *** asolsson has joined #maemo | 09:18 | |
| mrkiko | courmisch: I knew, that's the precaution against firmware modding. But, I'm trying to rewrite the bootloader also... :) | 09:19 |
| mrkiko | courmisch: yes, I know I'm going to risk my mind's healt | 09:19 |
| courmisch | the bootloader is signed too | 09:19 |
| mrkiko | :) | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | thats really the difference with 770/n8x0/n900 .. it does not require signatures | 09:21 |
| courmisch | I think, if you manage to break that security, there may be more interesting things than hacking your N95 | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | (excepting on cell module fw) | 09:21 |
| mrkiko | Stskeeps: so you say the bootloader is not really checking signatures? | 09:22 |
| courmisch | Stskeeps: is the loader not signed too on Nxxx ? | 09:22 |
| courmisch | I thought security was disabled by some stage of the loader | 09:23 |
| mrkiko | The one in E65 rm-208 is | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | courmisch: well it allows us to boot our own kernels | 09:23 |
| courmisch | but that stage must be signed | 09:23 |
| courmisch | because the loader does not check signature | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | i havent heard on any sigs on nolo and x-loader | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to prove me wrong | 09:23 |
| courmisch | I dunno too much | 09:24 |
| mrkiko | ok... | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | but then again, noone has wanted to hack nolo or xloader | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | as it works for its purpose | 09:24 |
| mrkiko | My problem is that I don't have service hardware - Yes, I know i'll need it | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | mrkiko: nxxx are much more open than nxx :P | 09:25 |
| mrkiko | Stskeeps: ehehe... guesed | 09:26 |
| * mrkiko warn - "I'm not english" | 09:26 | |
| mrkiko | Stskeeps: but a question, you might think stupid... Where is actually Security implemented? In the CPU itself? | 09:27 |
| *** baze has joined #maemo | 09:27 | |
| Stskeeps | no clue about nxx | 09:27 |
| *** Xisdibik has joined #maemo | 09:28 | |
| mrkiko | In other words - if in some way I manage to get the entire ROM content, may I put my hands on something interesting? | 09:28 |
| *** Openfree` has joined #maemo | 09:28 | |
| Stskeeps | if rom checks bootloader sig, not much to do | 09:29 |
| mrkiko | Stskeeps: clear... | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | you are better off doing something HaRET li | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | ke | 09:29 |
| mrkiko | HaRET like? I don't know HaRET - is it a project name, a slang word or what? | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | project | 09:30 |
| mrkiko | ok | 09:30 |
| *** frade has joined #maemo | 09:30 | |
| Stskeeps | its a user space program that loads a kernel from within the os | 09:30 |
| mrkiko | yeah | 09:31 |
| mrkiko | I think it needs an hacked firmware aniway | 09:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Save the time and effort, buy an N900. ;) | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | on windows mobile no, but you will need deep access | 09:31 |
| *** avs has joined #maemo | 09:31 | |
| Stskeeps | and what GA said | 09:31 |
| mrkiko | I can work only with S60 3rd phones - I'm blind... | 09:32 |
| mrkiko | so that I need to have assistive technology before the kernel loads. After that, no problems, I can do with serial consoles and things like that. | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | that does seem not easy.. i know there is some degree of assistive technology in n900 | 09:33 |
| *** vivainio has joined #maemo | 09:34 | |
| *** fluff|afk is now known as fluff | 09:34 | |
| Stskeeps | what would you want from your cellphone to help you in using it? | 09:34 |
| mrkiko | Ehehe.. I knew about that some time ago. Aniway ... I'll inform myself... | 09:34 |
| *** Wikier has joined #maemo | 09:34 | |
| mrkiko | but it seems haret doesn't support s60 | 09:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Are there any decent Linux-friendly non-touch mobile devices other there these days? | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | mrkiko: screen reader on device needed? | 09:36 |
| mrkiko | Stskeeps: yes. Now I'm using an hacked Symbian N95 with Nuance Talks | 09:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | And almost 33 hours Talk-free! | 09:37 |
| mrkiko | I have aniway a 6630 and a E65 | 09:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've only attempted to load the recent posts page 6 times. <_< | 09:37 |
| *** |dl9pf| has joined #maemo | 09:37 | |
| Stskeeps | basically i think it may be easier to get n900 to do your bidding than hack a linux kernel on n95 :P | 09:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Indeed | 09:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Although Hildon is REALLY touchscreen focused. | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | and i'm sure there are some maemo.org users who would help out | 09:38 |
| mrkiko | ok ok ... What does N900 run? | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | maemo, linux | 09:38 |
| mrkiko | OFHFHFHFH | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | gtk+ based | 09:38 |
| *** Meiz_TB has joined #maemo | 09:38 | |
| mrkiko | I'M LOVIN* IT | 09:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | mrkiko, basically the GNOME mobile stack. | 09:38 |
| mrkiko | ehehe | 09:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | The big hurdle is that the UI is very focused on touchscreen usage. | 09:38 |
| mrkiko | gnome and accessibility are not good friend aniway | 09:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which I imagine is difficult to feel your way around. | 09:39 |
| mrkiko | and for an italian user, the english voice of gnome is just "too english" :) | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: with a bit of tactice feedback it might be | 09:39 |
| mrkiko | Oh guys. I just wanted to see the device boot, look at some interesting kernel internals within the arch starting right from the dmesg :) | 09:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some awfully small targets to hit. | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | mrkiko: a n95 is fairly similar to a n8x0 i think | 09:40 |
| mrkiko | touch-screen... ehehe ... i hate them so much, but I understand there's no solution | 09:40 |
| * GeneralAntilles has never really investigated usability stuff all that much, though. | 09:40 | |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | but if you need a device that you can add accessibility on.. n900 can do a lot | 09:40 |
| mrkiko | eheh... I immagine | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | touch can be good though.. gesture interface | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | maemo isnt limited to one ui only so | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | some people ran KDE | 09:42 |
| mrkiko | :) | 09:43 |
| *** hassanakevazir has quit IRC | 09:44 | |
| Stskeeps | start a thread on talk.maemo.org on n900 for blind and lets see what people can come up with | 09:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 09:45 |
| *** nchip has joined #maemo | 09:45 | |
| Stskeeps | wb nchip | 09:45 |
| *** trickie has joined #maemo | 09:45 | |
| *** nchip is now known as suihkulokki | 09:45 | |
| suihkulokki | who? :P | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, noticed you dropped off irc :P | 09:46 |
| * Stskeeps gets back to playing with sb toolchains for uclibc | 09:47 | |
| *** zap_ has quit IRC | 09:48 | |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: apart from the Hermes thread, I've nowmanaged about 5 days. | 09:48 |
| * Stskeeps contemplates viewing the SSO discussion or not. | 09:49 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, my productivity has gone up. I hadn't realized how much of a boredom crutch it had become. | 09:49 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: It's now spread to -community | 09:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | The sad part about this whole thing is that the core really is falling to pieces. | 09:50 |
| * GeneralAntilles recalls this discussion from early 2007. | 09:50 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be working out happily this time. | 09:50 |
| * Jaffa got called a sociopath one too many times. Which, it turns out, is once. | 09:51 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Interestingly it wasn't anything specific for me | 09:51 |
| *** oilinki has quit IRC | 09:51 | |
| Jaffa | Anyway, I'll go back one day soon. Maybe stop folling newposts | 09:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Although there are dozens of them I could've decided this over in the past. | 09:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | So far it's not looking likely for me. | 09:52 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: That I was getting 7 pages of newposts every time I went and was opening a lower and lower number of them was the biggest reason. | 09:52 |
| Jaffa | Time goes up, return on investment was going down. | 09:53 |
| mrkiko | sorry - should escape | 09:53 |
| *** mrkiko has quit IRC | 09:53 | |
| Jaffa | Of course, suggesting the SnR ratio on ML is higher is snobbish of me ;) | 09:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Worse, /yuppyish/. | 09:54 |
| *** petur has joined #maemo | 09:55 | |
| Jaffa | s/SnR ratio/SNR/ | 09:55 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: Of course, suggesting the SNR on ML is higher is snobbish of me ;) | 09:55 |
| *** _marcell_ has joined #maemo | 09:59 | |
| *** L0cMini9 has joined #maemo | 09:59 | |
| *** oilinki has joined #maemo | 10:06 | |
| *** stemosco has joined #maemo | 10:11 | |
| *** murrayc has joined #maemo | 10:13 | |
| *** jhford is now known as zz_jhford | 10:15 | |
| *** zz_jhford is now known as jhford | 10:15 | |
| *** t_s_o has joined #maemo | 10:16 | |
| *** rmrfchik_ is now known as rmrfchik | 10:17 | |
| *** AD-N770 has joined #maemo | 10:19 | |
| *** elninja_ has joined #maemo | 10:21 | |
| *** asolsson has quit IRC | 10:21 | |
| *** gnuton has joined #maemo | 10:22 | |
| *** gnuton has joined #maemo | 10:22 | |
| *** jrocha has joined #maemo | 10:23 | |
| *** gnuton has quit IRC | 10:24 | |
| *** gnuton has joined #maemo | 10:24 | |
| *** samad has joined #maemo | 10:25 | |
| *** ptlo has joined #maemo | 10:25 | |
| *** ssvb has quit IRC | 10:26 | |
| RST38h | <yawn> | 10:27 |
| *** frewsxcv has joined #maemo | 10:28 | |
| frewsxcv | is nitdroid stable on the 770? | 10:28 |
| *** elninja has quit IRC | 10:30 | |
| samad | for camera i have run the examplae_camera code in my simulator but camera_src not found i am using webcam | 10:30 |
| *** shpaq_ is now known as shpaq | 10:30 | |
| *** vladovg has quit IRC | 10:34 | |
| *** frewsxcv has quit IRC | 10:35 | |
| *** lbt900 has joined #maemo | 10:35 | |
| *** pH5 has joined #maemo | 10:35 | |
| *** benh has joined #maemo | 10:36 | |
| *** calvaris has joined #maemo | 10:38 | |
| *** asolsson has joined #maemo | 10:39 | |
| *** boxxy has joined #maemo | 10:39 | |
| *** msa has joined #maemo | 10:40 | |
| *** andre__ has joined #maemo | 10:40 | |
| *** Meiz_TB has quit IRC | 10:43 | |
| ShadowJK | yay, new N810 battery \o/ | 10:48 |
| lbt900 | heh | 10:49 |
| *** lbt900 has quit IRC | 10:50 | |
| *** TomaszD has quit IRC | 10:51 | |
| *** fab has joined #maemo | 10:52 | |
| ShadowJK | the old one is a bit swollen in comparison... | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | wtf did you do to it :P | 10:53 |
| ShadowJK | I think it was heat | 10:54 |
| ShadowJK | It got significantly worse after my N810 was in my jeans pocket during a 10 day trip to the german heatwave | 10:54 |
| boxxy | did u say german | 10:54 |
| boxxy | heil hitler mein fuhrer | 10:55 |
| ShadowJK | or then when it sat in car during summer perhaps.. | 10:55 |
| *** warp10 has quit IRC | 10:55 | |
| ShadowJK | My used N800's battery arrived in somewhat crap condition too, and I wondered wtf the previous owner had done | 10:56 |
| *** jhford is now known as zz_jhford | 10:57 | |
| *** kalikiana has joined #maemo | 10:58 | |
| *** zz_jhford is now known as jhford | 10:59 | |
| *** eocanha has joined #maemo | 11:00 | |
| *** pvanhoof has joined #maemo | 11:02 | |
| *** jhford is now known as zz_jhford | 11:02 | |
| *** zz_jhford is now known as jhford | 11:02 | |
| *** elninja_ has quit IRC | 11:03 | |
| *** boxxy has quit IRC | 11:04 | |
| *** zap_ has joined #maemo | 11:05 | |
| johnx | please don't tell me that the best git GUI is that tcl/tk thing... | 11:07 |
| *** boxxy has joined #maemo | 11:10 | |
| *** elninja has joined #maemo | 11:11 | |
| *** trbs has joined #maemo | 11:11 | |
| *** boxxy has quit IRC | 11:12 | |
| *** millenomi has quit IRC | 11:12 | |
| *** feri has joined #maemo | 11:16 | |
| *** danielwilms has joined #maemo | 11:16 | |
| *** frade has quit IRC | 11:17 | |
| *** sergio has joined #maemo | 11:19 | |
| * frals bashes head against a brick wall | 11:19 | |
| RST38h | why do you need a gui? | 11:20 |
| Shapeshifter | frals: how's your mms going? | 11:20 |
| frals | got told to setup a lpd server so another company could use our printer, sure i say... after doing and "its not working" from their server they get back to me, and after a while they tell me they actually expected it to be a hp printerserver :< | 11:20 |
| frals | its progressing! | 11:20 |
| johnx | RST38h, because I'm really not getting git | 11:20 |
| Shapeshifter | johnx: afaik, it is. | 11:20 |
| Shapeshifter | frals: pleased to hear ^^ | 11:20 |
| frals | since i got the dbus docs for registering to handle wap push yesterday its golden | 11:20 |
| Milo- | is google maps available for n900 yet? | 11:20 |
| frals | and got some networkgeeks in the talk thread hacking away at multiple connections open | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | there's a maemaps thing | 11:21 |
| johnx | Milo-, did someone say it would be? | 11:21 |
| *** _berto_ has joined #maemo | 11:23 | |
| *** mikhas has joined #maemo | 11:24 | |
| *** asolsson has quit IRC | 11:24 | |
| pupnik | nice to read that frals | 11:26 |
| frals | the biggest problem now is the fact im more of a trial-n-error programmer, and its kinda hard without a device, but hopefully they start shipping soon :) | 11:27 |
| beatpanic | frals, eheh, do you know (hi!) when it comes out? they said october! :) | 11:28 |
| frals | going out on a limb here - but im going with "when its done" ;-) (no really, i have no clue) | 11:29 |
| *** kpel has joined #maemo | 11:29 | |
| range | frals: Well, you can try very much now and the error will only be bigger :) | 11:29 |
| beatpanic | frals, eheh ok | 11:29 |
| range | *get bigger. | 11:29 |
| frals | range: yeah thats what im doing, building a foundation of errors and then i just have to fix em all and it *should* work... ;D | 11:29 |
| range | Hehe. | 11:30 |
| *** dottedmag has joined #maemo | 11:30 | |
| *** murrayc has quit IRC | 11:31 | |
| *** adeus has joined #maemo | 11:31 | |
| *** IcanCU has joined #maemo | 11:32 | |
| IcanCU | is the n900 a good voip phone? | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | brilliant. | 11:34 |
| Myrtti | tea ♥ | 11:34 |
| IcanCU | u've used it? | 11:34 |
| Ave | anyone actually HAVE the n900 yet in their dirty mittens? | 11:35 |
| Myrtti | Ave: preproduction ones are about in multitudes | 11:35 |
| Ave | sure | 11:36 |
| _berto_ | IcanCU: I have | 11:36 |
| IcanCU | over 3g or ifi? | 11:37 |
| _berto_ | and many people in this channel, I assume | 11:37 |
| _berto_ | wifi | 11:37 |
| IcanCU | ok | 11:37 |
| IcanCU | cool | 11:37 |
| holydevil_ | Been here for quite some time now ... is N900 coming to India? | 11:37 |
| IcanCU | i'm having trouble to get voip to work on my e71 | 11:37 |
| IcanCU | it works | 11:37 |
| IcanCU | but fails often | 11:37 |
| IcanCU | looking for the best voip mobile phone out there | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | IcanCU: it supports sip, skype, google talk, .. | 11:38 |
| *** v2px has joined #maemo | 11:38 | |
| _berto_ | IcanCU: I haven't had a single problem with it, but I also don't make voip calls that often | 11:38 |
| IcanCU | the n900 seems like a fun phone | 11:38 |
| *** holydevil_ has quit IRC | 11:38 | |
| IcanCU | a bit large though | 11:39 |
| *** holydevil_ has joined #maemo | 11:39 | |
| _berto_ | not as big as it appears | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | not really | 11:39 |
| _berto_ | at least that's what happened to me | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | it can probably kill a man but considering what's in it.. | 11:39 |
| danielwilms | IcanCU I'm a regular voip user and it works fine! | 11:39 |
| baze | i only wish they would've used one of those stantum touch panels to make it ready for maemo6 and multitouch too :/ | 11:40 |
| frals | *adds one more item to the feature list: murder weapon* | 11:40 |
| holydevil_ | if only someone can tell me if this phone is coming to INDIA | 11:40 |
| *** hellwolf-n810 has quit IRC | 11:40 | |
| johnx | holydevil_, usually when people don't answer it's because they don't know | 11:41 |
| johnx | holydevil_, is it on the nokia.com site for India? | 11:41 |
| holydevil_ | johnx: ah come on! It's the source of truth for the moment. I'm talking about future plans | 11:41 |
| *** asolsson has joined #maemo | 11:42 | |
| johnx | holydevil_, so you want me to make something up? | 11:42 |
| holydevil_ | johnx: I know it's not coming here for the first release | 11:42 |
| holydevil_ | johnx: not you, may be someone who knows it, someone from nokia | 11:42 |
| johnx | holydevil_, if anyone knows it inside Nokia they'd be fired instantly for telling you here | 11:43 |
| holydevil_ | johnx: sounds like a taboo | 11:43 |
| johnx | I wouldn't say a taboo so much as just preventing leaks... | 11:44 |
| Myrtti | no, it sounds like NDA | 11:44 |
| *** ssvb has joined #maemo | 11:44 | |
| johnx | holydevil_, does it support the right GSM frequencies? is their language support in ukeyboard? | 11:45 |
| holydevil_ | johnx: yes and yes | 11:46 |
| *** b0unc3_ has joined #maemo | 11:47 | |
| johnx | well, then at least you can just buy it over the internet and use it | 11:47 |
| johnx | much better situation than in canada where their GSM frequencies don't match up... | 11:48 |
| courmisch | well, even most Nokia employees would not know the answer | 11:49 |
| courmisch | sales is a matter of the markets unit, not Maemo | 11:49 |
| johnx | s/GSM/UMTS/ | 11:49 |
| *** Meiz_TB has joined #maemo | 11:51 | |
| holydevil_ | johnx, courmisch I have a feeling it will be launched in India. It's a huge market & 3GS has not launched here yet! | 11:51 |
| *** Free_maN has joined #maemo | 11:51 | |
| adeus | dh_install | 11:52 |
| adeus | /scratchbox/tools/bin/cp: cannot stat `./#': No such file or directory | 11:52 |
| johnx | keep in mind the n900 is still kind of a "testing the water" device. Almost certainly the maemo 6 device will be released in India though | 11:52 |
| adeus | any ideas what to debug, what is that looking for? | 11:52 |
| *** cirzgamanti has quit IRC | 11:52 | |
| johnx | adeus, look at your debian/rules | 11:52 |
| adeus | well it says that it's running dh_install :) | 11:53 |
| *** cirzgamanti has joined #maemo | 11:53 | |
| suihkulokki | adeus: is there a # in some of the debian/*.install files ? | 11:53 |
| adeus | and .install files look ok | 11:53 |
| johnx | gremlins | 11:53 |
| *** bilboed-pi has joined #maemo | 11:53 | |
| Stskeeps | heh, they're introducing android phones on .dk market here | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | / selling | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | .. except the android market is not open in .dk | 11:54 |
| *** v2px_ has quit IRC | 11:54 | |
| johnx | smooth | 11:55 |
| adeus | aha! | 11:55 |
| adeus | there was one | 11:55 |
| adeus | maybe a newer debhelper allows those | 11:55 |
| holydevil_ | frick, so maemo 6 = buy new hardware ? | 11:55 |
| adeus | I had to bump the compat version down | 11:55 |
| *** asolsson has quit IRC | 11:57 | |
| *** beatpanic has quit IRC | 11:58 | |
| *** netvandal has joined #maemo | 12:00 | |
| netvandal | i guy | 12:00 |
| netvandal | ho | 12:01 |
| netvandal | *hi guy | 12:01 |
| johnx | hallo netvandal | 12:01 |
| johnx | hi-ho to you as well | 12:01 |
| netvandal | :) | 12:01 |
| *** hellwolf has joined #maemo | 12:01 | |
| netvandal | someone know how to debug apps that use liblocation in scratchbox? | 12:02 |
| *** murrayc has joined #maemo | 12:02 | |
| ccooke | Morning, all | 12:02 |
| *** asolsson has joined #maemo | 12:02 | |
| adeus | mock the location api? :) | 12:03 |
| *** b0unc3 has quit IRC | 12:03 | |
| *** ablack_ has joined #Maemo | 12:04 | |
| danielwilms | netvandal there is in general no option to generate gps data automatically in the scratchbox...but you could implement faked data by yourself | 12:04 |
| netvandal | wrapping the dbus api? | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | LD_PRELOAD of liblocation could work.. | 12:06 |
| netvandal | Stskeeps, what you mean? | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | well, wrapping the functions of liblocation to return fake data | 12:07 |
| netvandal | a ok :) | 12:07 |
| adeus | ala mocking it | 12:07 |
| adeus | aka | 12:07 |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 12:07 | |
| kalikiana | beware of the mocking bird | 12:08 |
| *** elninja_ has joined #maemo | 12:08 | |
| *** Free_maN has quit IRC | 12:08 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 12:10 | |
| *** holydevil has joined #maemo | 12:13 | |
| *** wazd has joined #maemo | 12:14 | |
| Stskeeps | lo wazd | 12:14 |
| *** holydevil_ has left #maemo | 12:14 | |
| Stskeeps | how is life in kafkaland? | 12:14 |
| wazd | heya | 12:16 |
| *** Meiz_TB has quit IRC | 12:18 | |
| andre__ | kafkaland? | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | well, in this particular case, russia, which is acting rather kafka-esque towards wazd :P | 12:19 |
| andre__ | hah. | 12:21 |
| *** beatpanic has joined #maemo | 12:21 | |
| *** ablack__ has quit IRC | 12:22 | |
| *** elninja has quit IRC | 12:23 | |
| *** zap_ has quit IRC | 12:23 | |
| *** qwerty12 has joined #maemo | 12:23 | |
| Stskeeps | wb qwerty12 | 12:23 |
| johnx | mornin' qwerty12 | 12:23 |
| qwerty12 | Good morning, johnx & Stskeeps | 12:23 |
| pupnik | good thing we havd so many lurkers :) | 12:28 |
| johnx | pupnik, otherwise we wouldn't be able to make the daily sacrifices to the elder gods | 12:29 |
| *** mikkov__ has joined #maemo | 12:31 | |
| *** JosefAssad has quit IRC | 12:32 | |
| qwerty12 | First sacrifice made =) | 12:33 |
| wazd | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/11/500x_zoom.jpg oh! | 12:33 |
| *** VDVsx has joined #maemo | 12:34 | |
| johnx | wazd, that is pretty freaking awesome. make me a 4-tile pannable n900 wallpaper :D | 12:34 |
| wazd | that's not my pic :) | 12:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Does wallpaper support mng or ani-gif? | 12:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Or flash! :) | 12:35 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders xlock -inroot -mode flame | 12:35 | |
| johnx | electricsheep | 12:38 |
| qwerty12 | goatse screensaver | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | worse, creepy hands screensaver | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:39 |
| qwerty12 | Ooh, that is the worst, indeed | 12:39 |
| *** Meiz_TB has joined #maemo | 12:41 | |
| johnx | ugh | 12:41 |
| johnx | why is it 2:41AM already | 12:41 |
| * SpeedEvil imagines every application window popping up in a round window 1/3 of the screen diameter, and then getting pulled open by two hands that dissapear off to the left and the right. | 12:42 | |
| johnx | :( | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: evil evil clutter transition | 12:42 |
| johnx | gah gah gah *fumbles for the mind bleach* | 12:42 |
| qwerty12 | That's an awesome idea | 12:42 |
| *** avs_ has joined #maemo | 12:42 | |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: worst part is that it sounds reasonably possible to hack h-d to do. | 12:43 |
| SpeedEvil | You know there are prople that would buy a phone for this sort of silliness :) | 12:43 |
| *** netvandal has quit IRC | 12:43 | |
| johnx | s/would/will/ | 12:43 |
| * qwerty12 | 12:44 | |
| dmj7261 | How big are fremantle buttons suppose to be? | 12:44 |
| *** lizardo has joined #maemo | 12:45 | |
| *** Openfree` has quit IRC | 12:45 | |
| `0660 | i didn't see any buttons in fremantle when i visited it yesterday | 12:45 |
| dmj7261 | lol | 12:45 |
| `0660 | what are you talking about? :) | 12:45 |
| `0660 | they had a nice brewery there though | 12:45 |
| dmj7261 | for the n900, how big (pixel wise) should buttons be? | 12:45 |
| johnx | `0660, maybe he's thinking of freemantle? | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | look at the HIG or the design guide | 12:46 |
| `0660 | johnx, the suburb in uk? :) | 12:47 |
| johnx | `0660, I actually think ig might be somewhere in Finland. but a lot of things get fixed there. that's all I know | 12:48 |
| RST38h | NVIDIA is preparing to mount a fresh assault on the mobile front, with a successor to Tegra that moves to a dual-core ARM9 CPU and adds improved graphical performance to produce what's said to be twice the power. | 12:48 |
| dmj7261 | is that the easter egg? | 12:49 |
| johnx | RST38h, uhm...isn't tegra an ARM11? and they're going back to an ARM9? | 12:49 |
| vivainio | yeah, for windows ce \o/ | 12:49 |
| dmj7261 | :P | 12:49 |
| RST38h | johnx: wasn't it arm9 from the start? | 12:50 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: But, it's dual-core! OMG | 12:50 |
| RST38h | The bird dropped some bread on a section of outdoor machinery, eventually leading to significant over heating in parts of the accelerator. The LHC was not operational at the time of the incident. | 12:50 |
| johnx | man I'm really confused about nvidia lately...or maybe they're really confused... | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | dual-core arm9 .. for the DS? :P | 12:50 |
| johnx | RST38h, overheats even when off. that's how badass it is | 12:50 |
| RST38h | johnx: Universe definitely does not want this thing to work | 12:51 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, good call. probably so | 12:51 |
| `0660 | RST38h :) | 12:51 |
| RST38h | Sts: Most likely | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: it doesn't want to work as it would invove a time travel paradox | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | invoke | 12:51 |
| RST38h | Sts: I like the end-of-the-world theory better | 12:51 |
| dmj7261 | The LHC is it's own grandfather? | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | that it won't work as it would end the world? :P | 12:51 |
| RST38h | Yea | 12:52 |
| RST38h | I.e. it will end the world when humans figure out how to make it work =) | 12:52 |
| johnx | and we're still 2 years out from world-endy doom | 12:52 |
| dmj7261 | 48 px is the answer | 12:52 |
| dmj7261 | but that seems kinda small when scaled properly in GIMP | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | remember 800x480 screen.. | 12:54 |
| *** Termana has joined #maemo | 12:55 | |
| johnx | 48 px? really? that does seem small | 12:55 |
| *** Ircng has joined #MAemo | 12:55 | |
| `0660 | wouldn't it be easy to check from all the screenshots? | 12:55 |
| *** avs has quit IRC | 12:58 | |
| dmj7261 | no 48is for widgits | 13:00 |
| dmj7261 | they have some defined values but don't say what they are | 13:01 |
| *** lardman has joined #maemo | 13:01 | |
| lardman | morning | 13:02 |
| dmj7261 | my guess is 128 pixels | 13:02 |
| *** netvandal has joined #maemo | 13:03 | |
| *** asolsson has quit IRC | 13:04 | |
| *** vivainio has quit IRC | 13:04 | |
| * lardman sits waiting for the delivery man | 13:07 | |
| *** Escafane has joined #maemo | 13:08 | |
| *** JamieBennett1 has joined #maemo | 13:09 | |
| lardman | hey JamieBennett1 | 13:10 |
| JamieBennett1 | hey lardman | 13:10 |
| *** woglinde has joined #maemo | 13:10 | |
| woglinde | jo | 13:10 |
| lardman | hi woglinde | 13:10 |
| andre__ | cool. looks i kind made my device unusable by mass-installing apps. even "df -h" does not display anything anymore :-/ | 13:10 |
| woglinde | 2 hours until I am off to uk | 13:10 |
| lardman | woglinde: where you going? | 13:11 |
| woglinde | cambridge | 13:11 |
| woglinde | oedem | 13:11 |
| lardman | ah yes, I remember now | 13:11 |
| woglinde | lardman hms I forgot you were in berlin | 13:12 |
| lardman | np, was pretty busy the whole time | 13:12 |
| woglinde | damn navit | 13:13 |
| lardman | how is navit coming along these days? | 13:13 |
| woglinde | hm latest svn version for n800 dont works | 13:14 |
| lardman | too many map apps available | 13:15 |
| *** netvandal has quit IRC | 13:15 | |
| *** netvandal has joined #maemo | 13:15 | |
| woglinde | hm? | 13:16 |
| lardman | well there are lots of apps available, all overlap in some ways | 13:16 |
| *** andrei1089 has quit IRC | 13:17 | |
| *** asolsson has joined #maemo | 13:17 | |
| *** Ircng has left #MAemo | 13:18 | |
| lardman | is there a handy page anywhere listing the strengths and weaknesses of the various map apps I wonder? | 13:19 |
| *** benh has quit IRC | 13:21 | |
| *** xnt14 has joined #maemo | 13:22 | |
| *** disco_stu has quit IRC | 13:23 | |
| *** disco_stu has joined #maemo | 13:23 | |
| *** JamieBennett has quit IRC | 13:24 | |
| *** blimey3k has joined #maemo | 13:24 | |
| *** netvandal has quit IRC | 13:25 | |
| Termana | Just as a for interest question - does Maemo 4 allocate a swap file/partition by default? | 13:25 |
| VDVsx | andre__, had the same issue, a system reboot helped :) | 13:25 |
| *** netvandal has joined #maemo | 13:25 | |
| andre__ | VDVsx, not here | 13:25 |
| andre__ | reflashing anyway now... | 13:25 |
| VDVsx | lol | 13:25 |
| zaheerm | andre__, i've done stuff that makes my n900 unusable for periods of time, i think currently i'm using way too much ram and too much swap too | 13:27 |
| zaheerm | andre__, is there a decent way of checking what processes are eating too much ram on it...i think ps's values are not the ones to use, but i am no expert | 13:27 |
| andre__ | uh... don't know | 13:27 |
| `0660 | wouldn't rss in ps be pretty accurate? | 13:28 |
| *** Free_maN has joined #maemo | 13:28 | |
| zaheerm | i only get VSZ in the ps on the device | 13:28 |
| zaheerm | probably due to ps being from busybox | 13:29 |
| tekojo | andre__ did a reboot return the device after the mass install problem? | 13:30 |
| andre__ | tekojo, problem remains | 13:30 |
| tekojo | zaheerm top? | 13:31 |
| andre__ | tekojo, starting app-manager it says "Operation failed" and does not display any apps to uninstall | 13:31 |
| andre__ | from an average user point i'd say: not cool | 13:31 |
| tekojo | andre__ can you try deleting something on rootfs that is useless (diablo used to have the user manuals that could be deleted in case of emergency :-) | 13:31 |
| andre__ | yeah. i wonder what to delete :) | 13:32 |
| tekojo | andre__ for example take out one of the themes /usr/share/themes | 13:33 |
| andre__ | "df -h" does not even list any file systems anymore :-/ | 13:33 |
| tekojo | not default or alpha though :-) | 13:33 |
| *** homeasvs_ has quit IRC | 13:33 | |
| *** microlith has quit IRC | 13:33 | |
| *** Milo- has quit IRC | 13:33 | |
| tekojo | no x-term? | 13:33 |
| andre__ | x-term works. | 13:33 |
| andre__ | but df -h fails :) | 13:33 |
| tekojo | does rm work? | 13:33 |
| andre__ | yes :) | 13:34 |
| *** want3ddrivers has joined #maemo | 13:34 | |
| tekojo | then remove some unwanted theme :-) | 13:34 |
| want3ddrivers | HELLO ALL I WANT MY 3D DRIVERS | 13:34 |
| *** shdb has quit IRC | 13:34 | |
| *** want3ddrivers is now known as javispedro | 13:34 | |
| javispedro | er... hello :) | 13:34 |
| *** shdb has joined #maemo | 13:35 | |
| *** netvandal has quit IRC | 13:35 | |
| VDVsx | morning evil javispedro | 13:35 |
| *** netvandal has joined #maemo | 13:35 | |
| *** setanta has joined #maemo | 13:35 | |
| javispedro | morn | 13:35 |
| VDVsx | andre__, I had exactly the same issue, the AM also said "Operation failed" ;) | 13:36 |
| Termana | javispedro: You cannot have them. | 13:36 |
| Termana | damn | 13:36 |
| Termana | I was suppose to change my nick to "TI" | 13:36 |
| *** Milo- has joined #maemo | 13:36 | |
| *** blimey3k has quit IRC | 13:36 | |
| *** microlith has joined #maemo | 13:36 | |
| *** homeasvs_ has joined #maemo | 13:36 | |
| javispedro | :( | 13:36 |
| * VDVsx sends nvidia-powerxpto-3Ddrivers | 13:36 | |
| VDVsx | javispedro, happy now :P | 13:36 |
| woglinde | nvidia-powerxpto? | 13:37 |
| VDVsx | woglinde, fake name ;) | 13:37 |
| javispedro | ~chase VDVsx | 13:37 |
| * infobot chases VDVsx | 13:37 | |
| andre__ | heh. still 100% used but at least "df -h" works again | 13:38 |
| javispedro | and don't let him out until he eats the last bit of the nvidia-powerxpto drivers! | 13:38 |
| woglinde | nah | 13:38 |
| andre__ | anyway, time to reflash to a newer version | 13:38 |
| VDVsx | ~curse badly javispedro | 13:38 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, badly javispedro ! | 13:38 |
| javispedro | my preciouuuus ... my preciouuus drivers........ | 13:40 |
| * javispedro needs to unsubscribe from 3d drivers thread | 13:41 | |
| tekojo | andre__ can you check HAM before you flash? | 13:41 |
| woglinde | lol | 13:41 |
| Termana | javispedro: Give us a link to the thread, I was searching for it earlier and couldn't find itt | 13:41 |
| tekojo | just to know if deleting stuff is an ecological way to help? | 13:41 |
| woglinde | at least a new gma500 driver is coming | 13:41 |
| javispedro | Termana: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=367173#post367173 | 13:41 |
| Termana | javispedro: thanks :) | 13:42 |
| andre__ | tekojo, i could not delete stuff from h-a-m. | 13:43 |
| andre__ | it does not list any apps anymore and displays "operation failed" | 13:43 |
| andre__ | apt-get remove also did not work anymore | 13:43 |
| andre__ | telling me to run "dpkg --configure -a" first/. | 13:43 |
| andre__ | which also failed. | 13:43 |
| tekojo | oh, so it messes something up as a last thing... | 13:43 |
| andre__ | reflashing now... | 13:43 |
| qwerty12 | javispedro: look at http://unrealvoodoo.org/hiteck/blog/2007/07/opengl-es-for-maemo/ and note TI want to stop you from doing the same. Muhahahaha =) | 13:43 |
| tekojo | andre__ how about deleting some more stuff from rootfs :-) | 13:44 |
| andre__ | tekojo, i'll try to reproduce that again later tonight. currently stops me a bit from working :-P | 13:44 |
| * javispedro has heart attack | 13:44 | |
| andre__ | hehe. well... what is left? :) | 13:44 |
| javispedro | qwerty12: you evil, I saw the date and the "opengl" keyword BEFORE realizing it was software rendering | 13:44 |
| *** killfill has quit IRC | 13:44 | |
| qwerty12 | javispedro: :p | 13:45 |
| VDVsx | andre__, hammer ? | 13:45 |
| andre__ | got one:) | 13:46 |
| VDVsx | :P | 13:46 |
| woglinde | qwerty hm intressting link | 13:47 |
| * VDVsx hides and do something more productive | 13:47 | |
| qwerty12 | andre__: Chocolates? This will be an all out assault. You must prepare yourself. | 13:47 |
| * javispedro patiently waits for the TI "contact" to say "Oh, what 3D drivers? I though we shipped them already! Oh, you mean for the N810?" | 13:47 | |
| woglinde | javis *g* | 13:47 |
| *** wazd has quit IRC | 13:47 | |
| tekojo | andre__ hmmm, the stuff you filled the rootfs with ? | 13:47 |
| *** asolsson has quit IRC | 13:47 | |
| andre__ | i just tried to install some apps by using apt-get - 16 or so at a time | 13:48 |
| *** netvandal has quit IRC | 13:48 | |
| *** netvandal has joined #maemo | 13:48 | |
| Termana | javispedro: I don't think anyone has considered that they might NOT actually release them | 13:48 |
| Termana | javispedro: Don't cry, I'm just speculating. :P lol | 13:49 |
| tekojo | andre__ Can't think of anything sensible and normal; open a bug? :-) | 13:49 |
| javispedro | Termana: I do ... that's why I worry. | 13:49 |
| andre__ | tekojo, going to do that after reproducing it once, later on :) | 13:49 |
| tekojo | ok | 13:51 |
| *** sergio has quit IRC | 13:51 | |
| *** dottedmag has quit IRC | 13:52 | |
| *** sergio has joined #maemo | 13:53 | |
| *** RichiH has quit IRC | 13:53 | |
| *** tonikitoo has joined #maemo | 13:54 | |
| *** xnt14 has quit IRC | 13:55 | |
| *** JimiDini has joined #maemo | 13:55 | |
| *** dottedmag has joined #maemo | 13:56 | |
| *** qwerty12 has quit IRC | 13:57 | |
| *** EspadaV8_W has quit IRC | 13:57 | |
| *** RichiH has joined #maemo | 13:58 | |
| infobot | I herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power | 13:58 |
| jeremiah | Umm, okay. | 13:58 |
| Jaffa | jeremiah: He was talking to someone else. Anyone else ;-p | 13:58 |
| jeremiah | he was talking to me - debslave! | 13:59 |
| Jaffa | :) | 13:59 |
| jeremiah | Er, umm, debmaster | 13:59 |
| jeremiah | er | 13:59 |
| jeremiah | infobot is on crack | 13:59 |
| infobot | No, I'm not! | 13:59 |
| jeremiah | yes you are and stop arguing with me! | 13:59 |
| *** EspadaV8_W has joined #maemo | 13:59 | |
| t_s_o | ah, always fun when someone gets into a argument with a automaton :P | 14:02 |
| *** wazd has joined #maemo | 14:03 | |
| zaheerm | how do i delete something from the autobuilder build queue? | 14:03 |
| *** Free_maN has quit IRC | 14:04 | |
| jeremiah | You don't | 14:04 |
| *** wazd has quit IRC | 14:04 | |
| *** elninja_ has quit IRC | 14:04 | |
| jeremiah | It has been copied to another machine and is being built. | 14:05 |
| zaheerm | it has got stuck | 14:05 |
| zaheerm | i keep getting emails saying UNKNOWN in the subject for it | 14:05 |
| zaheerm | for the last hr and a bit | 14:05 |
| jeremiah | which package is it? | 14:06 |
| jeremiah | flvlib? | 14:06 |
| zaheerm | flvlib 0.1.6-1 | 14:06 |
| jeremiah | I see that too, hmmm. | 14:06 |
| zaheerm | i uploaded 0.1.7-1 which hopefully fixes a problem with it (and also new upstream version) | 14:06 |
| jeremiah | I don't think you have caused this problem, I think it is a glitch here on garage. | 14:07 |
| zaheerm | ok good to know :) | 14:07 |
| jeremiah | I will try to fix it. | 14:07 |
| zaheerm | thx | 14:07 |
| jeremiah | sure, and apologies if it was something garage did. :/ | 14:07 |
| zaheerm | hey no worries, the autobuilder is a great service! | 14:08 |
| jeremiah | I'm glad you feel that way. :) | 14:08 |
| jeremiah | I agree. | 14:08 |
| *** briglia has joined #maemo | 14:10 | |
| *** jpereira has joined #maemo | 14:11 | |
| javispedro | Jaffa: hermes is quite a killer app, I see some people in the fansites drooling about it.... :) | 14:12 |
| *** woglinde has quit IRC | 14:12 | |
| VDVsx | jeremiah, zaheerm, it seems to be a garage issue, I had the same results with sane packages weeks ago :) | 14:13 |
| *** millenomi has joined #maemo | 14:13 | |
| zaheerm | VDVsx, you causing problems remotely with a bluetooth device? :) | 14:13 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: URLs, I need to feel *loved* :) | 14:15 |
| t_s_o | maybe lack of mms support is not so bad after all: http://moconews.net/article/419-mogreet-launches-mms-based-video-ad-platform/ | 14:15 |
| VDVsx | zaheerm, nah, the 770 in garage doing the builds has the BT broken ;) | 14:15 |
| zaheerm | VDVsx, :) | 14:15 |
| *** bergie has joined #maemo | 14:16 | |
| *** danielwilms has quit IRC | 14:17 | |
| murrayc | Jaffa: tbf says that hermes (or anything) isn't allowed by facebook to get phone numbers and addresses, according to their terms of service. Have you found a way around that? | 14:17 |
| *** killfill has joined #maemo | 14:18 | |
| ensi | murrayc: $$$ | 14:19 |
| * RST38h moos at everyone present | 14:19 | |
| javispedro | hiyo | 14:19 |
| * bilboed-pi added himself to the long weekend hackfest requests | 14:20 | |
| Jaffa | murrayc: Nope. I haven't looked. Could screenscrape, I guess | 14:21 |
| ensi | emails are stored as pictures in facebook, screenscraping leads to a ban | 14:21 |
| zaheerm | bilboed-pi, cool | 14:21 |
| bilboed-pi | zaheerm, shame I'm the only one to put the proper country code for bcn though | 14:21 |
| t_s_o | heh, seems spammers are more adept at these kinds of things then legitimate users... | 14:22 |
| t_s_o | not surprising tho, as its the same over at the "pirate" world | 14:22 |
| andre__ | tekojo, fyi i've added a comment about my case at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5450#c21 . i think it's the same issue. | 14:22 |
| povbot | Bug 5450: Installing many packages at a time via App Manager exhausts rootfs space | 14:22 |
| VDVsx | DEVELOPERS: if you're interested in "UX meets Code hackfest - http://tinyurl.com/ybl8ytt" hurry up ;) | 14:22 |
| *** elninja_ has joined #maemo | 14:23 | |
| bilboed-pi | VDVsx, you need to do it the Ballmer way | 14:23 |
| bilboed-pi | VDVsx, DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS .... | 14:23 |
| VDVsx | eheh | 14:23 |
| murrayc | Jaffa: tbf thinks you'll have a problem then. | 14:23 |
| *** Meiz_TB has quit IRC | 14:24 | |
| RST38h | andre: After #8, you have to reboot | 14:24 |
| *** zap_ has joined #maemo | 14:24 | |
| RST38h | andre: Because unless it frees up some / space, it won't be able to do anything | 14:24 |
| RST38h | andre: In other words, stuff starting with #8 is both predictable and unavoidable without freeing up / | 14:25 |
| *** holydevil has quit IRC | 14:25 | |
| andre__ | RST38h, but nobody told me ;-) | 14:25 |
| jeremiah | VDVsx: How dare you say that the build system is on a 770! | 14:26 |
| andre__ | first idea i have when running out of space is: uh, i should uninstall something | 14:26 |
| RST38h | andre: It told you at step #7 that it fucked up | 14:26 |
| jeremiah | VDVsx: Everyone knows it is a N800! | 14:26 |
| jeremiah | sheesh | 14:26 |
| andre__ | RST38h, yeah. but not to reboot | 14:26 |
| RST38h | andre: That is all the warning you needed :) | 14:26 |
| andre__ | to reboot? no. it just tells me that there's no space left. | 14:26 |
| andre__ | i'm just an average user (though i use apt-get) | 14:26 |
| RST38h | andre: Well, ideally none of this crap should have happened, so why would it tell you to reboot? :) | 14:27 |
| VDVsx | jeremiah, sorry, forgot that you upgraded it last week ;) , but I noticed the increase of speed ;) | 14:27 |
| andre__ | RST38h, :-D true | 14:27 |
| jeremiah | heh | 14:27 |
| jeremiah | andre__: You are almost nearly above average to me. :) | 14:28 |
| andre__ | nope. i'm an average user, and i use apt-get because h-a-m is unable to let me install >1 package at a time | 14:28 |
| *** monteslu has quit IRC | 14:29 | |
| andre__ | apart from that, everything is average. hence i also love to run into problems unable to solve :-P | 14:29 |
| *** monteslu has joined #maemo | 14:29 | |
| *** JamieBennett1 has quit IRC | 14:30 | |
| *** javispedro has quit IRC | 14:31 | |
| *** SafPlusPlus is now known as Saf|Proteon | 14:35 | |
| zaheerm | jeremiah, thx for fixing it | 14:36 |
| jeremiah | I don't think I did actually, but I'll take the credit. =] | 14:37 |
| jeremiah | zaheerm: I think it just died on its own. | 14:37 |
| zaheerm | :) | 14:37 |
| *** dottedmag has quit IRC | 14:37 | |
| jeremiah | I have been rooting around in the logs trying to see what happened, hopefully I can find out. | 14:37 |
| *** dottedmag has joined #maemo | 14:38 | |
| *** Meizirkki has joined #maemo | 14:40 | |
| *** holydevil has joined #maemo | 14:41 | |
| *** holydevil_ has joined #maemo | 14:41 | |
| *** holydevil has quit IRC | 14:41 | |
| *** baze has quit IRC | 14:41 | |
| *** penguinbait has quit IRC | 14:41 | |
| *** Meiz_TB has joined #maemo | 14:42 | |
| *** baze has joined #maemo | 14:42 | |
| *** dottedmag has quit IRC | 14:43 | |
| *** matt_c has joined #maemo | 14:43 | |
| *** mikkov__ has quit IRC | 14:43 | |
| *** mikkov__ has joined #maemo | 14:44 | |
| *** rsalveti has quit IRC | 14:44 | |
| *** matt_c has quit IRC | 14:45 | |
| *** Free_maN has joined #maemo | 14:46 | |
| *** mgedmin has joined #maemo | 14:47 | |
| *** samad has quit IRC | 14:55 | |
| *** JamieBennett has joined #maemo | 14:57 | |
| *** realitygaps has joined #maemo | 15:02 | |
| *** hassanakevazir has joined #maemo | 15:03 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer has joined #maemo | 15:03 | |
| DocScrutinizer | xchat on N810 occasionally causes watchdog boot. Any recommendations how to "fix" that? | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | (e.g. nice it? or extend watchdog timeout?) | 15:05 |
| flux | I have no suggestions, but atleast it's not doing that on my n810 | 15:07 |
| flux | although I haven't run it for extended periods (perhas a few days at a time) | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | flux: seems to me it's related to some fs-r/w actions of xchat (maybe logs or sth). More often than not the boot is a double-boot which I assume is to run some fsck or sth | 15:08 |
| flux | oh. I don't use logging in xchat. | 15:09 |
| *** calvaris has quit IRC | 15:09 | |
| DocScrutinizer | (period) strange thing is it happens from multiple times a day to no problems for a month of continuous xchat online | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | flux: (logging) I'm not quite sure. I didn't enable it intentionally, but as I get backlog of channels on start of xchat I guess that's default behaviour | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | I also seem to remember I seen those logfiles in some .dir | 15:11 |
| *** feri has left #maemo | 15:14 | |
| zaheerm | VDVsx, you know about this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lMtDv-khKQ | 15:15 |
| *** IcanCU has quit IRC | 15:15 | |
| *** sgbirch has joined #maemo | 15:19 | |
| *** fab has quit IRC | 15:19 | |
| *** Chewtoy has quit IRC | 15:20 | |
| *** sgbirch has quit IRC | 15:20 | |
| *** sgbirch has joined #maemo | 15:21 | |
| *** JamieBennett has quit IRC | 15:21 | |
| *** asolsson has joined #maemo | 15:22 | |
| *** IcanCU has joined #maemo | 15:22 | |
| zaheerm | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/06/iphone_games_storm8_lawsuit/ | 15:26 |
| Termana | iPwned | 15:27 |
| *** Wikier has quit IRC | 15:30 | |
| *** sgbirch has quit IRC | 15:30 | |
| *** kpel has quit IRC | 15:31 | |
| *** rsalveti has joined #maemo | 15:35 | |
| *** IcanCU has quit IRC | 15:36 | |
| *** juergbi has quit IRC | 15:37 | |
| *** juergbi has joined #maemo | 15:38 | |
| *** hardaker has joined #maemo | 15:39 | |
| *** z4chh has joined #maemo | 15:42 | |
| KMFDM | is there a usable rdesktop client available yet for maemo 5? | 15:43 |
| *** IcanCU has joined #maemo | 15:43 | |
| lopz | hi ;) | 15:43 |
| `0660 | KMFDM, yes | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | KMFDM: define usable | 15:45 |
| KMFDM | what's the name of the package and is it in the repos? | 15:45 |
| *** ustunozgur has joined #maemo | 15:45 | |
| kalikiana | look yourself, lazy bone =) | 15:45 |
| *** penguinbait has joined #maemo | 15:45 | |
| KMFDM | kalikiana, well last time I tried to install the python rdesktop client | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | rdesktop-cli | 15:45 |
| KMFDM | it wouldn't install | 15:45 |
| *** vivainio has joined #maemo | 15:46 | |
| KMFDM | yeah I think I did manage to get rdesktop-cli installed | 15:46 |
| kalikiana | there's a silly python-xml conflict indeed. but you could still see what clients are there and *then* ask how to fix it ;) | 15:46 |
| *** fiferboy has joined #maemo | 15:48 | |
| *** panaggio has joined #maemo | 15:48 | |
| KMFDM | I'll look into it more when I'm off of work. I just figured I'd fire off the question in the hope one was working now so that I could use rdesktop to grab some files off one of my computers at home during the commute home. with a bit of luck I'll make time to install linux on that box this weekend solving the need for an rdesktop client | 15:50 |
| *** uhsf has joined #maemo | 15:50 | |
| *** victorpoluceno has joined #maemo | 15:51 | |
| *** qwerty12 has joined #maemo | 15:55 | |
| *** realitygaps has quit IRC | 15:57 | |
| *** JamieBennett has joined #maemo | 15:59 | |
| *** panaggio has quit IRC | 15:59 | |
| *** killfill_ has joined #maemo | 16:00 | |
| *** killfill has quit IRC | 16:00 | |
| VDVsx | zaheerm, ehehe, cool :) | 16:00 |
| *** panaggio has joined #maemo | 16:00 | |
| *** avs_ has quit IRC | 16:01 | |
| KMFDM | kalikiana, i had already seen what clients were there. I was hoping there was something new that I had somehow missed. | 16:04 |
| *** guardian_ has joined #maemo | 16:09 | |
| *** tekojo has quit IRC | 16:09 | |
| *** anselmolsm has joined #maemo | 16:10 | |
| *** blade_runner has joined #maemo | 16:10 | |
| zaheerm | 17/11 is london n900 meetup and i'm in barcelona that day, bit of rotten luck | 16:11 |
| wjt | zaheerm: hmm, URL? | 16:12 |
| zaheerm | http://blogs.nokia.com/nseries/n900meetup/ | 16:13 |
| *** Messi has joined #maemo | 16:13 | |
| Messi | juego de boxeo online http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html | 16:14 |
| *** danilocesar has joined #maemo | 16:14 | |
| *** Messi has quit IRC | 16:14 | |
| flux | docscrutinizer, indeed, that's a good point now that I think of it, so it must do some logging. I suppose it could just save/resume the state, though, as I (usually?) exit gracefully | 16:16 |
| kalikiana | amazing, tapping on the right egde in pdf viewer goes to the next page | 16:16 |
| kalikiana | in case anyone else was wondering for hours | 16:16 |
| KMFDM | that is nice to know kalikiana. thanks for the tip | 16:16 |
| *** theoris has joined #maemo | 16:17 | |
| KMFDM | yesterday I was so busy reading a book on the pdf viewer in the bus that I went two stops too far | 16:17 |
| KMFDM | or so into the book rather | 16:17 |
| kalikiana | heh | 16:18 |
| qwerty12 | KMFDM: I also worry about doing that on the train... | 16:18 |
| kalikiana | I almost fell in the tram when it went in the curve | 16:18 |
| *** Meiz_TB has quit IRC | 16:18 | |
| KMFDM | qwerty12, on the train it is much worse than the bus. I almost went a stop too far in the tram the other day as well. | 16:19 |
| *** Arkenklo has quit IRC | 16:19 | |
| KMFDM | kalikiana. I had a similar experience recently also | 16:19 |
| *** dottedmag has joined #maemo | 16:22 | |
| *** asolsson has quit IRC | 16:24 | |
| *** b0unc3_ has quit IRC | 16:26 | |
| *** Andril has joined #maemo | 16:27 | |
| *** petrux has joined #maemo | 16:28 | |
| *** netvandal has quit IRC | 16:28 | |
| carloscesa | folks, how can I connect a microphone on my N810 and emmit sound at same time? | 16:29 |
| *** calvaris has joined #maemo | 16:29 | |
| carloscesa | 'cause when I connect an external microphone, if I emmit any sound, I can just listen it if remove the microphone | 16:30 |
| *** Andril has quit IRC | 16:30 | |
| carloscesa | SpeedEvil, ^ | 16:30 |
| *** Andril has joined #maemo | 16:30 | |
| *** goodnight has joined #maemo | 16:37 | |
| *** asolsson has joined #maemo | 16:37 | |
| *** dtrouton has joined #maemo | 16:40 | |
| *** dtrouton has left #maemo | 16:40 | |
| *** dtrouton has joined #maemo | 16:41 | |
| *** Termana has quit IRC | 16:41 | |
| *** dragorn has joined #maemo | 16:41 | |
| *** dieb_ has quit IRC | 16:44 | |
| *** dtrouton is now known as denver | 16:45 | |
| *** msa has quit IRC | 16:46 | |
| *** denver has left #maemo | 16:46 | |
| *** denver has joined #maemo | 16:46 | |
| *** sergio has quit IRC | 16:48 | |
| *** juliank has joined #maemo | 16:50 | |
| *** vivainio has quit IRC | 16:51 | |
| *** DarwinSurvivor has joined #maemo | 16:51 | |
| *** asolsson has quit IRC | 16:52 | |
| *** jospoortvliet has quit IRC | 16:52 | |
| *** DarwinSurvivor has quit IRC | 16:53 | |
| *** theoris_ has joined #maemo | 16:55 | |
| *** hannesw has joined #maemo | 16:59 | |
| *** theoris has quit IRC | 17:00 | |
| *** _marcell_ has quit IRC | 17:01 | |
| *** theoris has joined #maemo | 17:02 | |
| *** gomiam has joined #maemo | 17:03 | |
| *** k-s is now known as k-s[AWAY] | 17:03 | |
| RST38h | Sssssacrificccce | 17:04 |
| *** decasm has joined #maemo | 17:05 | |
| *** swc|666 has joined #maemo | 17:05 | |
| *** theoris_ has quit IRC | 17:06 | |
| *** theoris_ has joined #maemo | 17:11 | |
| *** VDVsx_ has joined #maemo | 17:14 | |
| jrocha | lizardo, hi | 17:14 |
| *** n6pfk has quit IRC | 17:14 | |
| jrocha | lizardo, I updated my SB and tried executing a python hildon program and got this error: ImportError: could not import gobject (error was: 'No module named _gobject' | 17:14 |
| jrocha | just by importing gtk | 17:15 |
| jrocha | lizardo, then I tried hermes just to be sure it wasn't my prob and it gave the same error? | 17:15 |
| jrocha | maybe I got my SB all messed up | 17:15 |
| *** VDVsx has quit IRC | 17:15 | |
| *** theoris has quit IRC | 17:15 | |
| jrocha | anybody can run hermes on an up-to-date SB? | 17:16 |
| *** VDVsx_ has quit IRC | 17:18 | |
| *** VDVsx has joined #maemo | 17:18 | |
| mgedmin | jrocha, what python did you run? | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | sbox's python2.3 won't be able to import gtk, I'm sure | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | python2.5 installed into sbox ought to be able to, if you also have the python bindings | 17:20 |
| mgedmin | if you run just python, you'll get the wrong ne | 17:20 |
| mgedmin | s/ne/one/ | 17:20 |
| infobot | mgedmin meant: if you run just python, you'll get the wrong one | 17:20 |
| *** sphenxes has joined #maemo | 17:20 | |
| jrocha | 2.5 | 17:20 |
| jrocha | I ran python2.5 | 17:21 |
| jrocha | sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~/hermes/package/src] > run-standalone.sh python2.5 hermes.py | 17:21 |
| jrocha | Traceback (most recent call last): | 17:21 |
| jrocha | File "hermes.py", line 2, in <module> | 17:21 |
| jrocha | import evolution | 17:21 |
| jrocha | File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/evolution/__init__.py", line 20, in <module> | 17:21 |
| jrocha | import ebook | 17:21 |
| jrocha | ImportError: could not import gobject (error was: 'No module named _gobject') | 17:21 |
| *** n6pfk has joined #maemo | 17:22 | |
| *** hardaker has quit IRC | 17:23 | |
| SpeedEvil | carloscesa: sorry - no idea | 17:23 |
| *** hannesw has quit IRC | 17:24 | |
| carloscesa | SpeedEvil, ok, thanks | 17:24 |
| *** frade has joined #maemo | 17:25 | |
| *** dreamer__ has quit IRC | 17:25 | |
| *** danilocesar has quit IRC | 17:26 | |
| *** Kt_ has quit IRC | 17:26 | |
| *** caotic has joined #maemo | 17:26 | |
| *** danilocesar has joined #maemo | 17:27 | |
| *** waite has joined #maemo | 17:28 | |
| zaheerm | Other letdowns include its poor battery life (compared to the N900 and the HD2) and its hard-to-type keyboard (Droid's keys are flat and shallow and difficult to muster) | 17:28 |
| jrocha | lizardo, mgedmin, it seems my upgrade had uninstalled python-gobject | 17:29 |
| jrocha | now it's okay | 17:29 |
| jrocha | thank you | 17:29 |
| zaheerm | that's the 2nd review i've read that reports the n900's battery life being at leasta little bit decent | 17:29 |
| *** zap_ has quit IRC | 17:29 | |
| mgedmin | for values of decent | 17:29 |
| zaheerm | it was comparing droid to n900 and htc hd2 | 17:29 |
| zaheerm | mgedmin, i'm impressed other phones have worse battery life :) | 17:30 |
| *** jnettlet_ has joined #maemo | 17:30 | |
| KMFDM | I'm impressed with the battery life as well | 17:30 |
| KMFDM | I still wonder why they didn't put in an longer lasting battery though. i'm assuming to bring the costs down | 17:30 |
| derf | Also size, and weight. | 17:31 |
| derf | The best way to improve battery life is not adding a bigger battery, but writing better software. | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | costs really isn't an issue when it comes to bat capacity | 17:32 |
| derf | At least for devices manufactured on this scale. | 17:32 |
| *** Andril has quit IRC | 17:32 | |
| RST38h | derf: In a lot of situations, you simply can't write better software | 17:32 |
| *** victorpoluceno has quit IRC | 17:33 | |
| RST38h | derf: I.e. the display has to stay lit when the user looks at it, the decoding must go on when watching a movie, etc | 17:33 |
| lizardo | jrocha: It seems you have not added the "extras-devel" repository to your scratchbox target's sources.list | 17:33 |
| derf | RST38h: You can't make _all_ software better, but there's _lots_ of low-hanging fruit in a typical softwrae stack. | 17:33 |
| *** jospoortvliet has joined #maemo | 17:33 | |
| RST38h | derf: Nokia seems to have collected all the low-hanging fruit by now | 17:33 |
| lizardo | jrocha: but if you got to make it work now, good to know :) | 17:33 |
| *** TomaszD has joined #maemo | 17:33 | |
| derf | RST38h: Right, and that's why their battery life is actually somwhat decent. | 17:33 |
| RST38h | derf: They basically handled the 12-hour use scenario | 17:34 |
| RST38h | derf: But 8-hour airplane trip scenario is still out of reach | 17:34 |
| jrocha | :) | 17:34 |
| derf | When the iPhone first came out, I had people telling me they got about 2 hours out of a charge. | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's all about resource management and selecting good hw components | 17:35 |
| *** matt_c has joined #maemo | 17:35 | |
| DocScrutinizer | for LCD-backlight e.g. there's just so much you can do | 17:35 |
| RST38h | same goes for video decoding and to some degree for audio decoding | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 17:36 |
| derf | Well, you can always improve the decoders. | 17:36 |
| RST38h | that is why the airplane scenario is so difficult | 17:36 |
| SpeedEvil | decoders may not be a software issue. | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can't as they are in DSP on N900 aiui | 17:36 |
| SpeedEvil | In that hardware units can buy you an order of magnitude. | 17:36 |
| RST38h | derf: Only to a point | 17:36 |
| derf | DocScrutinizer: Well, _you_ can't. But a DSP is programmable. | 17:37 |
| derf | RST38h: It has continued to surprise me how much that point can be moved. | 17:37 |
| RST38h | derf: It is computational activity. Some hw unit inside your chip still has to do it, and it costs power | 17:37 |
| RST38h | derf: The video decoding? Have not seen it moved that much lately | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | derf: simply reprogramming the DSP won't help much. The algos are quite optimized usually | 17:37 |
| derf | RST38h: I'm referring specifically to my experience with libtheora. | 17:38 |
| RST38h | derf: Oh that... | 17:38 |
| RST38h | derf: Well it was shitty to begin with =( | 17:38 |
| RST38h | Still is, based on my experience playing OGG files on Windows | 17:38 |
| *** orbarron1 is now known as orbarron | 17:38 | |
| mgedmin | actually, writing poorer software is a good way to prolong battery life | 17:39 |
| derf | If the platform has any relevance at all, it is probably not the codecs' fault. | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | just make sure the user won't use the device and leave it idling | 17:39 |
| zaheerm | derf, i am told that there is a dsp implementation of the theora decoder being worked on that is almost complete | 17:39 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Isn't this the N8x0 approach? | 17:39 |
| derf | zaheerm: That is correct. | 17:39 |
| zaheerm | derf, for the beagleboard | 17:39 |
| derf | There's a git repository up. | 17:39 |
| zaheerm | so i guess it'll work on the n900 too | 17:39 |
| *** Sargun has quit IRC | 17:40 | |
| derf | That's the plan. | 17:40 |
| zaheerm | derf, oh where is the git repo? | 17:40 |
| *** macmaN6789 has quit IRC | 17:40 | |
| derf | http://code.entropywave.com/git?p=leonora.git;a=summary | 17:41 |
| derf | http://code.entropywave.com/git?p=ogg-c64x.git;a=summary | 17:41 |
| derf | http://code.entropywave.com/git?p=theora-c64x.git;a=summary | 17:41 |
| derf | The first is the host-side code, the latter two are the dsp-side libraries. | 17:41 |
| RST38h | Anyone can give me an idea on how to implement accelerometer middle-point config? | 17:41 |
| orbarron | morning all | 17:42 |
| zaheerm | derf, yah ds was meant to show us a demo while we were in California last weekend but things screwed up so he couldn't | 17:42 |
| derf | RST38h: Anyway, my point was, even if you think you've optimized something very well, there's always some other non-obvious transformation that makes things just a little bit cheaper... | 17:42 |
| SpeedEvil | derf: But that's generally unimportant. | 17:43 |
| derf | SpeedEvil: It's important when it's something that runs 100,000 times a frame. | 17:43 |
| SpeedEvil | derf: As modern IC processes mean that a _huge_ fraction of the power usage is idle current | 17:43 |
| SpeedEvil | derf: So going from 8% to 6% DSP usage on an algorithm won't help much with battery life. | 17:43 |
| *** mihu1 has left #maemo | 17:43 | |
| RST38h | derf: Common sense says that there should be an end to these transformations =) | 17:44 |
| derf | If idle current were the problem, then the 8-hour plane ride wouldn't be substantially different from the 12-hour day. | 17:44 |
| RST38h | Exactly | 17:44 |
| derf | RST38h: Sure, but by then they'll have new chips out. | 17:44 |
| derf | And new chips means more possible transformations! | 17:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Idle current - if you can stop various clocks may drop lots. | 17:44 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: By modern ICs, do you specifically mean x86s? | 17:44 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: not really. | 17:45 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Then you are not entirely correct | 17:45 |
| derf | Clockless logic is _hard_. | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: what's middlepoint calib? | 17:45 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Most processors - in their 'running' modes use ~1/3 of the normal power as idle, only saving lots of power when you clock them way down, or suspend them in various ways. | 17:45 |
| *** briglia has quit IRC | 17:45 | |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: 3240 does that zeroclock quite smart | 17:46 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Correct. So, you suspend them. | 17:46 |
| RST38h | DocScrut: the position of the N900 that is considered "neutral" when using accelerometer to control a game | 17:47 |
| SpeedEvil | it can be tricky in media cases, as often the 'soundcard' won't carry on when you play. | 17:47 |
| SpeedEvil | when you suspend | 17:47 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Then you do not suspend when you want the audio on | 17:47 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: In any case, suspending the tablet as much as possible is what Maemo does | 17:47 |
| derf | It's what everyone does these days. "Race to idle." | 17:48 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Indeed - I was just pointing out that it might not be as simple as halving the CPU usage of a codec doubles battery life. | 17:48 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: And a lot of effort is spent on making sure that applications do not wake it too often | 17:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Or attempting to. | 17:48 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Well, if you have a CPU that suspends to some degree on HALT (or similar instruction), then all you need to do is finish decoding earlier and HALT waiting for VBlank | 17:48 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: This is pretty much how GBA handles power saving | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: hmm, seems you need a "button" to trigger a readout of all 3 axes to consider hat as middlepoint then, and calculate deviation from the calculated midpoint gravity vector | 17:49 |
| RST38h | DocScrut: I guess so, the question is what button and how do I convey this to the end user | 17:49 |
| *** murrayc has quit IRC | 17:49 | |
| Escafane | Does anyone know what replaces libgpsbt in Fremantle? | 17:49 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: And yes, it's all doable - it's just in real life in many hardware designs you have constraints that mean that suspending instantly is problematic. Software is highly constrained in the power reduction it can obtain by the hardware limits. | 17:51 |
| qwerty12 | Escafane: liblocation | 17:51 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: That is what makes ARM based designs special: they are easier to suspend | 17:51 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Suspending a modern x86 is somewhat problematic though | 17:51 |
| JamieBennett | jeremiah: any news on that ftp space? | 17:51 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: yes, some ARM. | 17:52 |
| derf | RST38h: It's almost like ARM was designed with this in mind. | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | like 3240 | 17:52 |
| Escafane | qwerty12: Thanks. Do you happen to know if the interface is similar or has changed a lot? | 17:52 |
| RST38h | God, people, could somebody with N900 check out MG,fMSX,Speccy,and ColEm in Extras-testing and vote on them? | 17:52 |
| RST38h | derf: Well it was desgined to be simple, which always helps | 17:52 |
| qwerty12 | Escafane: No idea, sorry. The API reference can be found here: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/liblocation/ | 17:53 |
| RST38h | Takes forever to get apps promoted :( | 17:53 |
| Escafane | qwerty12: Thanks, I'll take a look | 17:53 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: I should really investigate teh n900 hardware in depth - but I'm waiting to see if my order (with multiple vouchers at about half price) is honoroed. | 17:53 |
| RST38h | Multiple vouchers? Ah you freeloader =) | 17:54 |
| *** mikhas has quit IRC | 17:54 | |
| * DocScrutinizer wishes Nokia had even confirmed the shipping at 11-25 now. Expects to see further delays | 17:55 | |
| *** ptlo has quit IRC | 17:55 | |
| RST38h | Disturbing thing is that N900 is no longer an exclusive product in its class | 17:55 |
| *** dirk2 has joined #maemo | 17:55 | |
| *** stemosco has quit IRC | 17:55 | |
| RST38h | Plenty of 800x480 tablet-like smartphones out now | 17:56 |
| derf | Only one I can get root on. | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | few with semi-open linux though | 17:56 |
| RST38h | derf: Does not matter for a general consumer | 17:56 |
| derf | Sure, but it matters to me. | 17:56 |
| RST38h | As far as Joe Sixpack cares, it is no different from Droid or HTC HD2 | 17:56 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: Well, I guess it is like they say: bugs are still being fixed, as referenced by the fix of that scrolling application menu issue, yesterday | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | guess we all don't think of ourselves as general consumers ;-) | 17:57 |
| RST38h | Or that Sony Xperia thing | 17:57 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Well - yes and no - I'd hope to be doing useful dev-work if I get it. | 17:57 |
| Suurorca | Actually I'm a lot more happier if I won't be seeing every bloke talking to the same device I have ;p | 17:57 |
| Suurorca | and xperia1 was such a piece of juvk it's quite a hurdle to buy if successor | 17:57 |
| RST38h | Well, it is all nice and dandy, but if N900 does not make Nokia money, we may not get N1000 | 17:58 |
| Suurorca | blah. they aren't expecting any real profit until maemo6 devices come out | 17:58 |
| derf | RST38h: My point is, developer ecosystem is important. | 17:59 |
| RST38h | Suu: They are expecting public interest. If the public interest is not there, why continue with Maemo6? | 17:59 |
| SpeedEvil | But maemo6 may not come out if 5 isn't enough | 17:59 |
| Suurorca | it's too fad in the development now to be dropped | 17:59 |
| Suurorca | far* | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, Nokia explained verbatim Maemo is future of all their smartphones | 17:59 |
| SpeedEvil | no, it's not. | 17:59 |
| *** briglia has joined #maemo | 17:59 | |
| SpeedEvil | Nothing is too far in development to be dropped, if the company chooses to do so. | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ack | 18:00 |
| SpeedEvil | It may be practically impossible to drop, but ... | 18:00 |
| *** petur has quit IRC | 18:00 | |
| SpeedEvil | And it may be buisness insanity - but companies have made really odd decisions before. | 18:00 |
| * RST38h hopes it is the future: once he started using N900 as his primary communicator, going back to Symbian feels like a trip to the concentration camp | 18:00 | |
| DocScrutinizer | but they want to see revenue from all that linux stuff | 18:00 |
| Suurorca | true enough. I'll rephrase: They'd have to be insane to drop it, which they might very well be | 18:00 |
| *** JamieBennett has left #maemo | 18:00 | |
| SpeedEvil | And if they can't see that coming over the horizon are eleven million chinese vendors all with some flavour of linux on their phones... | 18:01 |
| zaheerm | at the stackoverflow devday in london, the nokia guy said maemo was the little sister in nokia | 18:01 |
| zaheerm | he is obviously an s60 guy :) | 18:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Probably a few dozen people in nokia are really involved with the descisions. | 18:02 |
| SpeedEvil | The rest will only know what they are told. | 18:02 |
| *** tonikitoo has left #maemo | 18:02 | |
| SpeedEvil | Which may not be the whole truth for many reasons. | 18:02 |
| *** fluff is now known as fluff|afk | 18:03 | |
| *** kalikiana has quit IRC | 18:03 | |
| *** Xisdibik has quit IRC | 18:04 | |
| RST38h | Speed: Nobody cares of Chinese vendors, Precious few manage to reach sufficient quality to become marketable | 18:06 |
| RST38h | Speed: I can think of 3-4 at most | 18:06 |
| RST38h | <home> | 18:06 |
| *** Meiz_TB has joined #maemo | 18:06 | |
| *** Meiz_TB has quit IRC | 18:07 | |
| *** yerga has quit IRC | 18:07 | |
| *** theoris_ has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** vilunki has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** jaska has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** ElPollo has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** thauta has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** devmax has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** asedeno_work has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** thp has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** vcgomes has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** Iridian has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** cpt_nemo has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** onion has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** Iridian has joined #maemo | 18:08 | |
| *** onion has joined #maemo | 18:08 | |
| *** vilunki has joined #maemo | 18:08 | |
| *** jaska has joined #maemo | 18:08 | |
| *** thp has joined #maemo | 18:08 | |
| *** ElPollo has joined #maemo | 18:08 | |
| *** imhotep has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** imhotep has joined #maemo | 18:08 | |
| *** thauta has joined #maemo | 18:08 | |
| *** vcgomes has joined #maemo | 18:08 | |
| *** devmax has joined #maemo | 18:08 | |
| *** Londo has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** mtrlt has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** xci has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** zash has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** barisione has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** LiraNuna has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** k-s[AWAY] has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** glass has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** l7 has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** jkyro has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** jkyro has joined #maemo | 18:08 | |
| *** xci has joined #maemo | 18:08 | |
| *** barisione has joined #maemo | 18:08 | |
| *** l7 has joined #maemo | 18:08 | |
| *** glass has joined #maemo | 18:08 | |
| *** cpt_nemo has joined #maemo | 18:08 | |
| *** asedeno_work has joined #maemo | 18:08 | |
| *** zash has joined #maemo | 18:08 | |
| *** mpk has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** marcoil has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** Pio has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** k-s[AWAY] has joined #maemo | 18:09 | |
| *** marcoil has joined #maemo | 18:09 | |
| *** Londo has joined #maemo | 18:09 | |
| *** mmu_screen has quit IRC | 18:09 | |
| *** aSIMULAtur has quit IRC | 18:09 | |
| *** wiretapped has quit IRC | 18:09 | |
| *** infobot has quit IRC | 18:09 | |
| *** monkeyiq has quit IRC | 18:09 | |
| *** aloril_ has quit IRC | 18:09 | |
| *** mmu_screen has joined #maemo | 18:09 | |
| *** mtrlt has joined #maemo | 18:09 | |
| *** aSIMULAter has joined #maemo | 18:09 | |
| *** wiretapped has joined #maemo | 18:09 | |
| *** monkeyiq has joined #maemo | 18:09 | |
| *** aloril_ has joined #maemo | 18:09 | |
| *** mpn has joined #maemo | 18:09 | |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: of course, as getting things right on a mobile device with linux isn't that a nobrainer - you can tell from maemo ;-) Also chinese idea of FOSS is really weird | 18:10 |
| *** aloisiojr has quit IRC | 18:11 | |
| *** Pio has joined #maemo | 18:12 | |
| *** JimiDini has left #maemo | 18:13 | |
| *** Ryback_ has joined #maemo | 18:13 | |
| *** LiraNuna has joined #maemo | 18:13 | |
| *** infobot has joined #maemo | 18:14 | |
| *** igagis has quit IRC | 18:15 | |
| *** waite has quit IRC | 18:15 | |
| *** deekray has quit IRC | 18:16 | |
| *** TomaszD has quit IRC | 18:18 | |
| *** zommi has joined #maemo | 18:24 | |
| *** victorpoluceno has joined #maemo | 18:25 | |
| *** mango_make has joined #maemo | 18:25 | |
| *** ablack_ is now known as AndrewFBlack | 18:27 | |
| *** gomiam has quit IRC | 18:28 | |
| *** gomiam has joined #maemo | 18:28 | |
| *** xxiao has joined #maemo | 18:28 | |
| *** jrocha has quit IRC | 18:30 | |
| *** jhford is now known as zz_jhford | 18:31 | |
| *** Meiz_TB has joined #maemo | 18:34 | |
| *** n6pfk has quit IRC | 18:35 | |
| Milo- | please n900, ship soon! | 18:36 |
| *** timeless_mbp has joined #maemo | 18:36 | |
| Milo- | this stupid e71 AGAIN complains that my memory is full | 18:36 |
| Milo- | how and why! | 18:37 |
| *** gunni has joined #maemo | 18:38 | |
| Milo- | ah, it tries to tell me that I have low battery, but fails :D | 18:39 |
| range | Someone needs a spare brain it seems. | 18:39 |
| *** n6pfk has joined #maemo | 18:39 | |
| * mango_make awaits n900 also, but wonders what contract / pricning will be like | 18:40 | |
| DocScrutinizer | mango_make: contract? | 18:41 |
| * mango_make had been ponderign which of the android bredd to go for when suddenly the n900 was announced | 18:41 | |
| *** IcanCU has quit IRC | 18:41 | |
| mgedmin | notional price is 600 EUR without a contract in europe | 18:41 |
| mango_make | DocScrutinizer: mobile phone network contract | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | people have been finding random deals | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | mango_make: N900 subsidized is rare atm | 18:42 |
| mango_make | so prob about £35 / month for 18 months i guess | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | heh, "rare" | 18:42 |
| SpeedEvil | UK at least you can get it easily | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | for values of "you can't buy one until next week anyway" | 18:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Ireland vodafone have stated they will be carrying it | 18:42 |
| SpeedEvil | As a 'normal' phone | 18:42 |
| *** dolphin has joined #maemo | 18:42 | |
| DocScrutinizer | heh | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | cool | 18:42 |
| *** lopz has quit IRC | 18:43 | |
| mango_make | ive notplayed with qt4 much yet, but am in the process of developing a product (embedded), and it seems to be a very attractive solution now | 18:43 |
| *** tlax has left #maemo | 18:43 | |
| mango_make | had dabbled with qt embedded some years ago | 18:43 |
| *** EspadaV8_W_ has joined #maemo | 18:44 | |
| mango_make | knocking up a ui in designer was sheerevsimplicity .. had demo for client in a couple of hours | 18:44 |
| *** trickie has quit IRC | 18:44 | |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | qt is easy, but a resource hog | 18:45 |
| mango_make | so will be gettign right into qt4 hence the maemo qt4 project sounds very interesting, would love to get a n900 and get involved | 18:45 |
| mgedmin | what's the status of qt on maemo 5? do apps have the native finger-friendly look and feel? | 18:46 |
| *** EspadaV8_W has quit IRC | 18:46 | |
| *** Meiz_TB has quit IRC | 18:47 | |
| mgedmin | I get all confused with all those different versions (qt 4.5 is out, 4.6 is in beta --- or something like that) | 18:47 |
| *** Meiz_TB has joined #maemo | 18:47 | |
| ab | DNA in Finland is selling N900 for 23.90/mo on 24-month contract | 18:48 |
| *** k-s[AWAY] is now known as k-s | 18:48 | |
| Flandry | anyone have a good reference for debian packaging beyond what's in the new mainainer's guide? | 18:48 |
| *** avs has joined #maemo | 18:49 | |
| zaheerm | mgedmin, i don't think they do yet | 18:50 |
| mgedmin | the debian policy manual | 18:50 |
| mgedmin | also, the maemo policy manual, which is a small diff on top of the debian policy manual | 18:50 |
| *** petrux has quit IRC | 18:50 | |
| mgedmin | Flandry, ^ | 18:50 |
| Flandry | i think i've been through that, too | 18:50 |
| Flandry | i'll check again | 18:51 |
| *** gunni_ has quit IRC | 18:51 | |
| *** ab is now known as ab[out] | 18:52 | |
| *** zommi has quit IRC | 18:52 | |
| *** mgedmin has quit IRC | 18:53 | |
| *** ssvb has quit IRC | 18:53 | |
| *** swc|666 has quit IRC | 18:55 | |
| * Flandry shudders in fear at going to the dev.m.o server | 18:56 | |
| *** wazd has joined #maemo | 18:56 | |
| *** eichi has joined #maemo | 18:57 | |
| *** r2d2rogers has joined #maemo | 18:58 | |
| *** jayabharath has joined #maemo | 18:59 | |
| Flandry | mgedmin:are you referring to this pdf from 2008: http://maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf? | 18:59 |
| *** tomdavidson has quit IRC | 19:00 | |
| *** tom-davidson has joined #maemo | 19:03 | |
| *** boogeyman has quit IRC | 19:05 | |
| *** swc|666 has joined #maemo | 19:05 | |
| *** Free_maN has quit IRC | 19:07 | |
| *** _berto_ has quit IRC | 19:07 | |
| *** Xisdibik has joined #maemo | 19:08 | |
| *** frade has quit IRC | 19:10 | |
| *** Khertan has joined #maemo | 19:10 | |
| Khertan | Hi everyone ! | 19:11 |
| *** tkharju has joined #maemo | 19:11 | |
| Flandry | hi | 19:12 |
| Khertan | Someone here use pluthon on ubuntu ?. | 19:13 |
| pupnik | evening khertan :) still enjoying n900? | 19:18 |
| Khertan | evening pupnik | 19:18 |
| Khertan | yep a lot :) | 19:18 |
| Khertan | just some hildon things and the gtk theme which annoy me on some things | 19:18 |
| Khertan | for example gtk.FileChooserDialog is unusable | 19:19 |
| Khertan | and Hildon.FileChooserDialog doesn't let you showing extension | 19:19 |
| Khertan | just an example | 19:19 |
| Khertan | :) | 19:19 |
| Khertan | or gtksourceview which is really slow when use in a hildon.pannablearea ... and scrollbar is unusable ... :) | 19:20 |
| *** n6pfk has quit IRC | 19:23 | |
| *** radic_ has quit IRC | 19:27 | |
| *** pwnguin has joined #maemo | 19:27 | |
| Khertan | ~ping | 19:29 |
| *** eichi has quit IRC | 19:29 | |
| infobot | ~pong | 19:29 |
| *** eichi has joined #maemo | 19:30 | |
| Khertan | oh my god ... hildon.FileChooser isn't in the pymaemo hildon documentation | 19:32 |
| *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC | 19:34 | |
| keesj | I don't like python bindings for that "it's just like the c version so read the documentation there". | 19:35 |
| *** timeless_mbp has joined #maemo | 19:35 | |
| Khertan | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/hildon/ <<< this one ? | 19:36 |
| Khertan | i didn't see it too | 19:37 |
| Khertan | : | 19:37 |
| Khertan | :) | 19:37 |
| *** Mousey has joined #maemo | 19:37 | |
| *** hannesw has joined #maemo | 19:38 | |
| *** trbs has quit IRC | 19:38 | |
| *** lopz has joined #maemo | 19:40 | |
| *** Meiz_TB has quit IRC | 19:42 | |
| gnuton | Hi | 19:42 |
| Khertan | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/hildonfm/ | 19:42 |
| Khertan | hi gnuton | 19:42 |
| *** lopz has quit IRC | 19:42 | |
| gnuton | Hei Khertan ;D | 19:42 |
| *** lopz has joined #maemo | 19:42 | |
| gnuton | is user/desktop a valid debian category for maemo5 packages? | 19:43 |
| gnuton | s/category/section | 19:43 |
| VDVsx | gnuton, yup | 19:43 |
| gnuton | VDVsx: okay thanx | 19:44 |
| VDVsx | gnuton, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging%2C_Deploying_and_Distributing#Sections | 19:44 |
| *** CutMeOwnThroat has joined #maemo | 19:45 | |
| VDVsx | for future reference ;) | 19:45 |
| gnuton | VDVsx: thaks that page is what I was looking for ;D | 19:45 |
| *** danilocesar has quit IRC | 19:46 | |
| *** victorpoluceno has quit IRC | 19:47 | |
| *** promulo has quit IRC | 19:47 | |
| *** wazd has quit IRC | 19:50 | |
| Flandry | so hard to actually *find* anything | 19:51 |
| Khertan | specially if they continue to use an Nokia 770 as a webserver | 19:51 |
| Flandry | ha | 19:51 |
| *** EspadaV8_W_ has quit IRC | 19:51 | |
| lizardo | Khertan: yes, it is one of these Python API missing documentation... feel free to report a bug on this : https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=PyMaemo ... for now see https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/pymaemo-developers/2009-May/000786.html for how to use it | 19:52 |
| Flandry | and an iphone app as the wiki software | 19:52 |
| Khertan | lizardo: i'm currently looking at the c documentation | 19:52 |
| lizardo | keesj: for sure we don't assume it, but unfortunately ATM we lack man power to quickly improve the documentation :( | 19:52 |
| lizardo | keesj: but we are slowly fixing and updating it | 19:52 |
| Khertan | lizardo: but i haven't still found what i'm looking for ... | 19:52 |
| Khertan | lizardo: showing file extension in filechooserdialog :) | 19:53 |
| Flandry | i think that's under "media player" | 19:53 |
| lizardo | Khertan: oh, so actually you know how to use hildon.FileChooserDialog, but not how to show file extension? | 19:53 |
| *** SpeedEvil has quit IRC | 19:53 | |
| Khertan | lizardo: yep ... this is exactly that | 19:54 |
| *** SpeedEvil has joined #maemo | 19:54 | |
| Khertan | and i must also enter a bug for the root_dir because setting something else than '/' result in segfault | 19:54 |
| lizardo | Khertan: well, anyway I don't know either... :/ if nothing in the C documentation mentions it, I think it is better to ask the hildon guys if it is possible at all | 19:54 |
| Khertan | lizardo: but before whinning i was just looking at the doc :) | 19:55 |
| lizardo | Khertan: please do that, so that we can check the behavior against the C code | 19:55 |
| *** wazd has joined #maemo | 19:55 | |
| Khertan | yep | 19:55 |
| *** Sargun has joined #maemo | 19:55 | |
| Khertan | just need to provide a simple case example :) | 19:55 |
| Khertan | but my current source code editor isn't finish yet ... so i can't save it :) | 19:56 |
| *** Escafane has quit IRC | 19:56 | |
| lizardo | Khertan: no problem :) at the time I worked on the hildon.FileChooserDialog, I had hardtime to discover that you needed the FileSystemModel set to use it | 19:56 |
| Khertan | i didn't want to use vi anymore :) | 19:56 |
| lizardo | the C documentation was not clear on that regard | 19:56 |
| *** javispedro has joined #maemo | 19:57 | |
| Khertan | lizardo: héhé ... i use python in the command line with dir() and help() :) | 19:58 |
| Khertan | and passing stupid argument give errors saying what is the required arguments | 19:58 |
| Khertan | :) | 19:58 |
| *** bulfaiter has left #maemo | 19:59 | |
| lizardo | Khertan: yes, unfortunately help() doesn't work very well for most Python bindings because they usually lack the docstrings... (specially python-hildon), and it does not list the keyword arguments | 20:00 |
| Khertan | yep ... just pass wrong argument ... and python say it | 20:00 |
| Khertan | or segfault :) | 20:01 |
| Khertan | i didn't see nothing about file extension in the hildonfm c documentation !( | 20:02 |
| Khertan | :( | 20:02 |
| * Khertan is asking to the ml | 20:02 | |
| *** eichi has quit IRC | 20:02 | |
| Flandry | I may have shot myself in the foot on a packaging decision. | 20:02 |
| *** bilboed-pi has quit IRC | 20:03 | |
| *** javispedro changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org | http://maemo.nokia.com | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | UX meets Code hackfest - http://tinyurl.com/ybl8ytt" | 20:05 | |
| *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC | 20:05 | |
| Khertan | Flandry: this time when i want to package something i'm still think that they didn't want command line application in users/* in extras ... so i stop myself doing it | 20:05 |
| zaheerm | Khertan, so the inbuilt media player can't handle external subtitles :( | 20:06 |
| *** timeless_mbp has joined #maemo | 20:06 | |
| Khertan | zaheerm: yep | 20:06 |
| zaheerm | Khertan, but it'd be easy to write a gst based media player that did | 20:06 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, want did you changed ? o_0 | 20:06 |
| Khertan | too bad | 20:06 |
| VDVsx | *what | 20:06 |
| zaheerm | Khertan, and then would of course use the dsp optimised decoders | 20:06 |
| zaheerm | Khertan, i guess a hack could be done to the mafw gst renderer to get it done in the main media player | 20:07 |
| javispedro | VDVsx: weird %c2%a0 characters after the URLs which confuse X-Chat | 20:07 |
| javispedro | (interpret that as urlencoded string) | 20:07 |
| *** warp10 has joined #maemo | 20:08 | |
| VDVsx | javispedro, weird, everything seems fine here | 20:08 |
| javispedro | VDVsx: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2009-11-04.log.html#t2009-11-04T22:51:40 | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | javispedro: Oh, to answer your question on Talk: http://bit.ly/4kb77v | 20:08 |
| javispedro | VDVsx: notice the links | 20:09 |
| javispedro | they confuse the logging bot too. | 20:09 |
| javispedro | qwerty12: more evil points. | 20:10 |
| javispedro | it's a nice song. | 20:10 |
| *** JPohlmann has joined #maemo | 20:10 | |
| qwerty12 | Heh | 20:10 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, can't see anything wrong :P, nevermind | 20:10 |
| javispedro | VDVsx: try clicking on the maemo.org link on the log! | 20:11 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, yup,got it :) | 20:11 |
| javispedro | VDVsx: if you don't get a NXDOMAIN I want a copy of your browser | 20:12 |
| javispedro | VDVsx: ah, ok :) | 20:12 |
| Flandry | is there actually, in fact, a Maemo packaging policy wiki? | 20:13 |
| javispedro | I don't know who puts those weird characters there, but I guess it has something to with OS X >:) | 20:13 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, grab a copy here: http://www.getfirefox.net/ :P | 20:13 |
| javispedro | hehe, but you get a NXDOMAIN :) | 20:14 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, do you use OS X ? | 20:14 |
| javispedro | nope | 20:14 |
| javispedro | I didn't put the characters, I just edited the topic | 20:15 |
| * VDVsx blames GAN900 | 20:15 | |
| javispedro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uZr3JWYdy8 :) | 20:15 |
| javispedro | great game. not usable with the current mouse emu in drnoksnes though :( | 20:15 |
| *** hardaker has joined #maemo | 20:17 | |
| VDVsx | javispedro, lolol, from where you can upload songs, if this runs in a SNES ? | 20:18 |
| javispedro | VDVsx: there are a few "reimaginations" of the original minigame developed for win32 | 20:19 |
| VDVsx | humm, ok :) | 20:19 |
| javispedro | even though this one seems the real deal | 20:19 |
| javispedro | so most probably it was camcorded or emulated on pc | 20:19 |
| javispedro | er.. sorry | 20:19 |
| javispedro | no, it is not the real deal :) | 20:19 |
| *** igagis has joined #maemo | 20:20 | |
| *** AD-N770 has quit IRC | 20:20 | |
| *** ssvb has joined #maemo | 20:23 | |
| *** filip42 has joined #maemo | 20:23 | |
| *** nielsslot has joined #maemo | 20:24 | |
| *** kjoer has joined #maemo | 20:24 | |
| *** gomiam has quit IRC | 20:25 | |
| *** caotic has quit IRC | 20:26 | |
| *** caotic has joined #maemo | 20:26 | |
| Flandry | What's the right way to create a package for game content that requires no compilation? | 20:26 |
| *** EspadaV8_L has joined #maemo | 20:26 | |
| *** lopz has quit IRC | 20:26 | |
| javispedro | Flandry: grab any existing -data package on extras for a template | 20:27 |
| javispedro | the basic idea is Architecture: all | 20:27 |
| javispedro | in the control file | 20:27 |
| Flandry | ah | 20:27 |
| Flandry | instead of any | 20:27 |
| javispedro | yep | 20:27 |
| javispedro | the autobuilder will only build it in 386 mode then put it in both the 386 and armel repos | 20:27 |
| javispedro | (actually will create a "*_all.deb" package | 20:28 |
| Flandry | i still specify a source package though? | 20:28 |
| javispedro | yep | 20:28 |
| Flandry | ok thanks | 20:28 |
| javispedro | your rules file will just have instructions to move things around | 20:28 |
| Flandry | right | 20:28 |
| *** qwerty12 has quit IRC | 20:30 | |
| *** qwerty12_N900 has joined #maemo | 20:30 | |
| Flandry | there has got to be a dummies guide to packaging somewhere to get people started on these things | 20:31 |
| ccooke | Oh, yes. Is anyone aware of a decent alarm clock for the n900 yet? | 20:31 |
| derf | Just do what everyone else does. Find a package that works and copy what it does. | 20:31 |
| * ccooke might end up using bash again :-) | 20:32 | |
| RST38h | isn't built-in alarm clock enough? | 20:33 |
| *** n6pfk has joined #maemo | 20:33 | |
| *** caotic_ has joined #maemo | 20:33 | |
| *** guardian_ has quit IRC | 20:34 | |
| *** caotic has quit IRC | 20:34 | |
| * RST38h laughs maniacally: it took Moto Droid to make Google finally FIX mobile GMail | 20:34 | |
| *** bilboed has joined #maemo | 20:37 | |
| Flandry | the problem with imitating prior art is that just because it works doesn't mean it does everything the way it should be done | 20:37 |
| Flandry | i create enough errors of my own without propagating upstream ones :D | 20:37 |
| javispedro | so, grab the prior art, try to do follow it, then correct it if you find any issues within it. | 20:39 |
| javispedro | don't expect to make things better than upstream _by asking upstream_ ;) | 20:39 |
| dmj7261 | guys, I think we can do a better video editor than the iphone! | 20:40 |
| derf | When it comes to packaging, "having something working" is far more important than "having something perfect". | 20:40 |
| ccooke | RST38h: the built-in alarm clock is broken in the same way the n810s was :-/ | 20:40 |
| ccooke | namely, it blocks when it produces a dialog box | 20:40 |
| derf | If the package is used a lot, any problems will get fixed. If it isn't, they weren't worth fixing. | 20:41 |
| *** kjoer has quit IRC | 20:41 | |
| * ccooke tends to need two or three alarms to wake up. If the first one doesn't wake me, the second and third won't go off until you respond to the first one's popup. | 20:42 | |
| Flandry | also a problem when the repository is down... | 20:42 |
| *** mikhas has joined #maemo | 20:43 | |
| *** zap_ has joined #maemo | 20:44 | |
| *** kjoer has joined #maemo | 20:45 | |
| Mousey | oh! you guys'll like this too | 20:47 |
| Mousey | http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2009/11/04/#20091104-android_mythbusters | 20:47 |
| *** borism has quit IRC | 20:47 | |
| javispedro | why Dalvik. It's also an abomination! | 20:48 |
| Flandry | at that point, why not just . . . use Maemo? | 20:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flandry, we need more mindshare. | 20:49 |
| * Flandry ponders creating an android app called silver-bullet that would kill it | 20:51 | |
| *** hardaker has quit IRC | 20:52 | |
| *** JPohlmann has quit IRC | 20:53 | |
| *** unixSnob has joined #maemo | 20:54 | |
| *** eocanha2 has joined #maemo | 20:56 | |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, Maemo fails spectacularly when the rootfs is fool. No surprises there. ;) | 20:56 |
| penguinbait | fool? | 20:59 |
| penguinbait | foolish rootfs | 20:59 |
| *** eocanha has quit IRC | 21:00 | |
| *** cure` has quit IRC | 21:00 | |
| *** cure` has joined #maemo | 21:00 | |
| *** hellwolf has quit IRC | 21:01 | |
| *** cure` has quit IRC | 21:01 | |
| *** cure` has joined #maemo | 21:02 | |
| *** calvaris has quit IRC | 21:03 | |
| *** bergie has quit IRC | 21:03 | |
| *** goshawk has joined #maemo | 21:04 | |
| javispedro | well, unfoolish it | 21:04 |
| * bilboed needs to find some UX guys who're coming to bcn who'd like to work on a video editor for N8XX/N900 | 21:05 | |
| *** yerga has joined #maemo | 21:06 | |
| Suurorca | *stares in utter astonoshment at the android slides* | 21:06 |
| Suurorca | how could they f***k it up that bad... | 21:06 |
| *** alecrim has quit IRC | 21:06 | |
| bilboed | it's google | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | the android mythbusters one? | 21:07 |
| kov | does anyone know where can I find the sources for the patched gtk+ used in fremantle? I looked at the gitorious projects, but couldn't find it | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | kov, stage and repository.maemo.org | 21:07 |
| kov | the closest I found to that was the mer repository, but that looks a bit outdated | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | Suurorca: those slides made me happy about maemo even if it is sometimes awkward code | 21:08 |
| *** alecrim has joined #maemo | 21:08 | |
| javispedro | bilboed: i'm sure your get a lot of them, a video editor is something that could potentially be a "star" app | 21:08 |
| javispedro | s/your/you'll | 21:08 |
| * bilboed nods | 21:09 | |
| bilboed | javispedro, didn't I see your name in the list of potential attendees ? | 21:09 |
| kov | Stskeeps, thank you! | 21:09 |
| *** alecrim has quit IRC | 21:09 | |
| dmj7261 | bilboed: I'd like to work on a video editor! | 21:10 |
| bilboed | basically the deal is this : I can create all the lower-level/middleware needed to make one | 21:10 |
| dmj7261 | not sure about making it to Barthelona though? | 21:10 |
| bilboed | but I totally/utterly/completely suck at UI | 21:10 |
| javispedro | bilboed: I'm on the "long weeked" attendees list | 21:10 |
| bilboed | javispedro, yay | 21:10 |
| dmj7261 | I sketched out a ui for a video editor just now on a deck of cards. | 21:11 |
| bilboed | neat | 21:11 |
| bilboed | I'll be piling up ideas/code for the weekend, got other stuff in the meantime | 21:11 |
| dmj7261 | it's not the cleanest ui, but I was trying to cram a lot of functionality in. | 21:12 |
| bilboed | but will most likely do a small talk about what's available, what can be done, what needs to be done from a middleware/lower-level point-of-view | 21:12 |
| Robot101 | Stskeeps: is there a list of maemo components vs whats in mer, btw? | 21:12 |
| dmj7261 | bilboed: Have you done work on video editing before? | 21:12 |
| bilboed | dmj7261, I wrote pitivi | 21:12 |
| dmj7261 | oh great! | 21:13 |
| dmj7261 | would you like to see my sketch? | 21:13 |
| derf | bilboed: :) | 21:13 |
| bilboed | derf, you ? here ? :) | 21:13 |
| derf | I've been here for like, 2 and a half years. | 21:13 |
| *** trbs2 has joined #maemo | 21:13 | |
| bilboed | guys, I've got to go pick up my gf who came back from a 10 day trip abroad... so I'm gonna be afk for some time. But I'll be back for further details. Just wanted to plant the seeds | 21:14 |
| bilboed | derf, same for me I guess... but never really talked/chatted :) | 21:14 |
| RST38h | derf: too long. | 21:14 |
| derf | RST38h: No joke. | 21:14 |
| bilboed | basically... the first thing I told Nokia when they presented the N770 at Guadec 2005 was ... "I want pitivi on that" | 21:15 |
| bilboed | time to make that a reality :) | 21:15 |
| * bilboed gets the $#@*($# out of here | 21:15 | |
| *** JPohlmann has joined #maemo | 21:15 | |
| * RST38h has been using IRC since 1993 or so | 21:15 | |
| RST38h | Long, LONG time | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | Robot101: working on openness data and using that i will generate a list | 21:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Suurorca, really not surprised here. ;) | 21:16 |
| *** millenomi has quit IRC | 21:16 | |
| *** mango_make has quit IRC | 21:16 | |
| *** hannesw has quit IRC | 21:16 | |
| Stskeeps | Robot101: any special wishes? | 21:16 |
| RST38h | Comcast's COO, Steve Burke, recently urged the TV industry to find ways to "get consumers to change" rather than figure out better methods to cater to demand. | 21:17 |
| Robot101 | Stskeeps: we're pondering a project based on Mer for a client, wanted to know if there was any information lying around about the gaps between it and Maemo | 21:18 |
| Robot101 | Stskeeps: the obvious stuff is the apps but we can pick apps from the Maemo communoty, or modify GNOME or Moblin things, and a bunch of Mer bits need updating for the final Fremantle versions of stuff | 21:19 |
| Robot101 | Stskeeps: but I'm more concerned about the hidden stuff behind the curtain, the little plugins, daemons and patches which you don't find unless you really dig :) | 21:19 |
| *** L0cMini9 has quit IRC | 21:19 | |
| Robot101 | like dsme. what does it really do? watchdog and, er, misc, and other. and turn the display controller off while X is trying to use it. :) | 21:19 |
| Robot101 | some policy things behind the curtains, like badgering audio/video/etc | 21:20 |
| Robot101 | bunch of pulseaudio plugins | 21:20 |
| Robot101 | everyone's favourite sgx drivers | 21:20 |
| *** ab has joined #maemo | 21:20 | |
| Stskeeps | Robot101: :nod: pulse is not our strongest area but we do have it from ubuntu | 21:20 |
| *** alecrim has joined #maemo | 21:21 | |
| Robot101 | pulse is ass on the desktop for voip calls too | 21:21 |
| Robot101 | no echo cancellation or audio enhancements at all | 21:21 |
| Robot101 | voip calls sound 10 times better on the N900 versus my laptop for basically that reason | 21:21 |
| Robot101 | free software fails quite badly at echo cancellation | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | we practically take what we can get our hands on. check OBS, Maemo:Mer:Devel:MaemoCommon | 21:21 |
| Robot101 | how deep does that go? if there are little tweaks to libfoo and libbar in maemo but not in ubuntu, do you pull those in? | 21:22 |
| *** pupnik has quit IRC | 21:22 | |
| *** goshawk has quit IRC | 21:22 | |
| Stskeeps | depends if they are functionally relevant | 21:22 |
| Robot101 | is the goal specifically to be a port of maemo "userland" onto ubuntu baseline, or is it basically to re-integrate every maemo component possible using ubuntu/OBS infrastructure? | 21:23 |
| Robot101 | or, somewhere between the two | 21:23 |
| Flandry | Could not resolve 'repository.maemo.org' | 21:24 |
| derf | Robot101: What free echo cancellers have you tried? | 21:24 |
| Flandry | Is this some comcast fail or is the problem on maemo end? | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | mm. can i answer when im home? | 21:24 |
| Robot101 | Stskeeps: sure, didn't mean to bother you | 21:25 |
| *** xnt14 has joined #maemo | 21:26 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Flandry, as a Comcast customer, I'm strongly inclined to blame them for connection issues 100% of the time. | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | Robot101: nah, i shouldnt irc when walking :P | 21:26 |
| Flandry | oh, a fellow sodomite | 21:26 |
| Robot101 | Stskeeps: haha... N900 are waaay too addictive :) | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flandry, worst part is, I came from using Bright House. | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is worlds better than FiOS, even. | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Robot101 is going to be responsible for Stskeeps getting hit by a bus. | 21:28 |
| Robot101 | GeneralAntilles: me and the rest of the maemo developers...? :D | 21:28 |
| Flandry | mmm | 21:28 |
| * Robot101 doesn't have enough crack on his device | 21:29 | |
| * Robot101 adds extras-devel too | 21:29 | |
| Flandry | i can ping the repository fine from the box | 21:29 |
| *** avs has quit IRC | 21:29 | |
| Flandry | why does it fail to resolve for apt :/ | 21:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Robot101, nah, just you specifically since you're the one distracting him right now. :P | 21:29 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Flandry: standard answer: check /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf and the target's /etc/resolv.conf | 21:30 |
| Robot101 | GeneralAntilles: if he wasn't on IRC with me, he'd just be on facebook or twitter or talk.maemo.org :) | 21:30 |
| Flandry | resolv.conf is the same in both this time | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Robot101, we're all in Talkaholics Anonymous here. | 21:30 |
| Flandry | that did work last time though ;) | 21:30 |
| Robot101 | GeneralAntilles: I get on really really badly with web forums, so I'm clean at the moment | 21:31 |
| * Robot101 would like an NNTP gateway... :D | 21:31 | |
| * GeneralAntilles is 46 hours clean. | 21:32 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Dropping Talk felt even better than when I unsubbed from -users. | 21:32 |
| qwerty12_N900 | GeneralAntilles: Oh, BTW, I resent your remark about me wanting one-handed usage and access to certain sites. You know I could care less about portrait mode! | 21:32 |
| Flandry | added a known good dns to resolv and it works | 21:32 |
| Flandry | yay for comcast | 21:32 |
| Flandry | i don't know enough about linux networking to know why putting the repo in hosts didn't work though | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N900, psh. | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Resemble, more like. | 21:34 |
| *** millenomi has joined #maemo | 21:34 | |
| qwerty12_N900 | I've got a good idea for Talk's front page: One of those Javascript IRC clients that will take you straight into #maemo... | 21:35 |
| *** trofi has joined #maemo | 21:35 | |
| javispedro | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo | 21:36 |
| Suurorca | nnnoooo | 21:36 |
| * GeneralAntilles foams at the mouth. | 21:36 | |
| qwerty12_N900 | Should I add it to Brainstorm? =) | 21:36 |
| javispedro | I have an even better idea, say this is the "official sales channel" | 21:36 |
| javispedro | and don't put "when is it released" in the FAQ. | 21:36 |
| qwerty12_N900 | "Get your N8X0 3D drivers here!" | 21:36 |
| * Mousey perks up | 21:37 | |
| Mousey | ? | 21:37 |
| * javispedro wants | 21:37 | |
| Mousey | oh | 21:37 |
| Mousey | its a SHAM | 21:38 |
| *** promulo has joined #maemo | 21:38 | |
| * Mousey lurks | 21:38 | |
| javispedro | heh | 21:38 |
| fiferboy | VDVsx, anyone else that uses personal-photo-frame: Could you comment on bug #6035 ? | 21:38 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6035 Make better use of the widget space | 21:38 |
| *** elninja_ has quit IRC | 21:38 | |
| fiferboy | VDVsx: I know you have already commented, but I have outline a solution that I would like feedback on L) | 21:39 |
| fiferboy | s/L)/:)/ | 21:39 |
| infobot | fiferboy meant: VDVsx: I know you have already commented, but I have outline a solution that I would like feedback on :) | 21:39 |
| *** Vulcanis has joined #maemo | 21:39 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 21:41 | |
| *** eocanha2 has quit IRC | 21:43 | |
| Flandry | using openttd-data as an example may have been a bad idea | 21:43 |
| *** jayne has quit IRC | 21:44 | |
| *** jayne has joined #maemo | 21:44 | |
| javispedro | Flandry: yes | 21:44 |
| javispedro | unless your plan is to also allow Maemo4 "install-to-card" compatibility | 21:44 |
| Flandry | there's not even a control file here for -data oO | 21:45 |
| Flandry | oh that's what that mess is for | 21:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quick poll for those of you with N900s: do you shoot in widescreen or fullscreen mode? | 21:45 |
| javispedro | not only that, but the same source package builds for most maemo versions. | 21:45 |
| *** Kusk has quit IRC | 21:46 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 21:46 | |
| Flandry | was that one of those "just because you can" things? | 21:46 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 21:46 | |
| javispedro | more like "because I was not going to do otherwise" things | 21:47 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: With this camera - widescreen. I don't think the extra pixels buy me much | 21:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, photoframe defaults to fullscreen, right? | 21:48 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: There isn't really a fullscreen right now (too many layout problems) | 21:49 |
| fiferboy | I think it defaults to medium | 21:49 |
| fiferboy | Yep, medium. 315 pixels square | 21:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Erm, sorry, ratio, not size. | 21:49 |
| *** tkharju has left #maemo | 21:49 | |
| fiferboy | Oh. It will display whatever ratio your photo is at | 21:50 |
| fiferboy | It maintains aspect ratio. So the closer you are to 1:1 the large the aparent size | 21:50 |
| fiferboy | s/typos/fixed/ | 21:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, maybe it didn't in an older version? | 21:50 |
| fiferboy | It didn't auto rotate in the older version, but the aspect ratio should always have worked | 21:51 |
| fiferboy | You seeing a problem? | 21:51 |
| *** trbs2 has quit IRC | 21:52 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Only from memory. | 21:52 |
| fiferboy | Your memory? Or photos on the phones internal memory? :) | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | My memory. ;) | 21:52 |
| fiferboy | File a bug, but I don't think I'll be able to fix it... | 21:53 |
| fiferboy | :) | 21:53 |
| fiferboy | Bug description: I remember your widget not working, but it actually works spectacularly well | 21:53 |
| *** n6pfk has quit IRC | 21:54 | |
| *** elninja_ has joined #maemo | 21:55 | |
| Flandry | sigh | 21:56 |
| Flandry | there's no control file for supertux-data-stable | 21:56 |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 21:56 | |
| Flandry | i'm apparently more confused than i thought | 21:56 |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 21:57 | |
| javispedro | sigh. | 21:57 |
| javispedro | ok | 21:57 |
| javispedro | do m4 < debian/control.m4 > debian/control | 21:58 |
| javispedro | and you'll get your control file :) | 21:58 |
| *** JPohlmann has quit IRC | 21:58 | |
| javispedro | or at least, the interesting parts of it. | 21:59 |
| *** t_s_o has quit IRC | 21:59 | |
| *** JPohlmann has joined #maemo | 21:59 | |
| Flandry | there is no control.m4 file | 21:59 |
| Flandry | 208.50.77.144 repository.maemo.org | 22:00 |
| Flandry | oops sorry | 22:00 |
| *** Kusk has joined #maemo | 22:00 | |
| javispedro | Flandry: where are you looking at exactly? Package: supertux-data-stable | 22:00 |
| Flandry | yes | 22:01 |
| javispedro | supertux-stable-0.1.3] > ls debian/control | 22:01 |
| javispedro | debian/control | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | Robot101: main direction is along the lines of having a fully portable maemo platform that is shared between mer and maemo (all the common stuff), mer bases on top of ubuntu, maemo bases on what they want, maemo is targetted for nokia devices and has properitary stuff in their core, mer is controlled by community and has 100% oss core, but may have closed stuff in hw support | 22:01 |
| *** MrGoose has joined #maemo | 22:02 | |
| Stskeeps | an app that is developed towards maemo platform api should run on both :P | 22:02 |
| Flandry | that's the control file for supertux-stable | 22:02 |
| Flandry | which is why i'm confused | 22:03 |
| javispedro | Flandry: look at it carefully. specially at the bottom. | 22:03 |
| javispedro | supertux-stable is the source package name | 22:03 |
| javispedro | a source package can build into more than one package | 22:03 |
| Flandry | oh poo | 22:03 |
| javispedro | Flandry: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ | 22:03 |
| Flandry | didn't look after the uu garbage | 22:03 |
| *** dirk2 has quit IRC | 22:04 | |
| Flandry | i've been through that a few times | 22:04 |
| *** mikhas has quit IRC | 22:04 | |
| Stskeeps | Robot101: so if api demands we patch a lib with something, we do that.. we did that in glib and gtk for instance | 22:04 |
| Flandry | but seeing the other package at the bottom helps | 22:05 |
| *** avs has joined #maemo | 22:05 | |
| *** netvandal has joined #maemo | 22:05 | |
| *** avs has quit IRC | 22:05 | |
| *** johnx has quit IRC | 22:06 | |
| Stskeeps | Robot101: gaps are mostly on version levels as we didn't finish updating everything to final SDK just yet | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | and sometimes we might even be ahead in versions from SDK | 22:07 |
| *** Meizirkki has quit IRC | 22:07 | |
| *** BBNS has quit IRC | 22:09 | |
| *** BBNS has joined #maemo | 22:09 | |
| *** cure` has quit IRC | 22:09 | |
| *** tbf has quit IRC | 22:09 | |
| *** kjoer has quit IRC | 22:09 | |
| Flandry | well, it's hard to know exactly which rules are required for the data package, but it looks like what i'm already doing | 22:10 |
| Flandry | the Architecture: all is the main thing | 22:11 |
| *** cure` has joined #maemo | 22:11 | |
| javispedro | some then consider separate binary-arch and binary-indep rule sets in their rules file | 22:12 |
| Robot101 | erk | 22:13 |
| Robot101 | emerillon needs some hildinification :) | 22:13 |
| *** javispedro has quit IRC | 22:15 | |
| *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC | 22:15 | |
| *** n6pfk has joined #maemo | 22:17 | |
| *** mikhas has joined #maemo | 22:23 | |
| *** JPohlmann has quit IRC | 22:23 | |
| *** penguinbait has quit IRC | 22:27 | |
| greenfly | qwerty12_N900: figured out how to at least modify the keyboard shortcut bar for the xterm | 22:35 |
| RST38h | http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49304156,00.htm | 22:37 |
| qwerty12_N900 | greenfly: By playing with its GConf keys? :) | 22:38 |
| greenfly | qwerty12_N900: yup | 22:38 |
| greenfly | still can't seem to get a Meta or Alt key though | 22:38 |
| greenfly | but at least I have quick access to | | 22:39 |
| greenfly | oh, wow. I can't believe I went this long without realizing Esc in a terminal does the same thing as Alt(Meta) | 22:43 |
| *** netvandal has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** trbs has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| *** lopz has joined #maemo | 22:45 | |
| *** baze has quit IRC | 22:47 | |
| *** asys3 has joined #maemo | 22:48 | |
| *** javispedro has joined #maemo | 22:49 | |
| *** asys3 has quit IRC | 22:49 | |
| *** user__ has joined #Maemo | 22:50 | |
| wiretapped | greenfly: i use the UK layout so shift-! is | | 22:50 |
| wiretapped | and - is available without shift | 22:50 |
| *** lizardo has quit IRC | 22:51 | |
| greenfly | wiretapped: interesting... | 22:51 |
| wiretapped | the uk layout is much more terminal-friendly | 22:51 |
| greenfly | basically I just wanted to be able to more easily shift between windows in irssi | 22:52 |
| *** timeless_mbp has joined #maemo | 22:52 | |
| greenfly | so I was trying to get Meta working, until just now when I found out I could use Esc | 22:52 |
| *** panaggio has quit IRC | 22:52 | |
| *** benh has joined #maemo | 22:52 | |
| wiretapped | nice, i didn't realize you could do that before :) | 22:52 |
| * wiretapped has been typing /win<tab> # | 22:53 | |
| greenfly | yeah same here :) | 22:53 |
| greenfly | but then, it took me years of using irssi before I saw someone mention that Meta-q takes you to window 11, meta-w window 12, and so on | 22:54 |
| greenfly | I used to try to keep things limited to just 10 windows for that reason | 22:54 |
| yuizy | i use ctrl+w and ctrl+t for going to previous and next window | 22:55 |
| yuizy | in my n810 | 22:55 |
| yuizy | (not in default binds) | 22:55 |
| *** unixSnob has quit IRC | 22:55 | |
| * wiretapped picks up his jaw from the floor | 22:56 | |
| wiretapped | o m g | 22:56 |
| * wiretapped is really glad he popped in to #maemo just now | 22:57 | |
| *** Firebird has joined #maemo | 22:57 | |
| *** qwerty12_N900 has quit IRC | 22:58 | |
| * w00t hugs meta+a | 22:58 | |
| w00t | and window_switcher.pl | 22:58 |
| w00t | blessings. | 22:58 |
| *** qwerty12_N900 has joined #maemo | 22:58 | |
| dmj7261 | is the n900 screen very slightly smaller than the iphone one? | 22:59 |
| * wiretapped just discovered meta-a also | 22:59 | |
| * wiretapped has 30 windows open and is finally learning irssi window management keys | 23:00 | |
| *** Khertan has quit IRC | 23:02 | |
| *** ferdna has joined #maemo | 23:03 | |
| w00t | wiretapped: get window_switcher.pl | 23:03 |
| greenfly | yeah now that irssi is manageable on the n900 all that's left for me is a few browser UI changes to make google reader sane, and some way to sync multiple google calendars | 23:03 |
| w00t | you will never look back | 23:03 |
| *** Sho_ has joined #maemo | 23:04 | |
| *** elninja_ has quit IRC | 23:04 | |
| *** Saf|Proteon is now known as SafPlusPlus | 23:04 | |
| *** k-s is now known as k-s[AWAY] | 23:06 | |
| dmj7261 | could someone report the width and height of the screen in mm? | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | dmj7261, it's 15:9 | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | dmj7261, 3.5" diagonal | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Trigomometry. | 23:10 |
| *** hap has quit IRC | 23:10 | |
| dmj7261 | yeah, but I heard that it was 45 mm by 75 mm, which is slightly smaller, particularly the height. | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | iPhone is 16:9 | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3.5" is always a bigger area the closer you get to 1:1. | 23:12 |
| SpeedEvil | xdpyinfo? | 23:12 |
| SpeedEvil | (to circular) | 23:12 |
| dmj7261 | http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=369888 | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | 211x127mw is what that claims | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/mw/mm/ | 23:13 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: 211x127mm is what that claims | 23:13 |
| SpeedEvil | 311*127mm would be nice for a 3.5" screen | 23:14 |
| *** user__ has quit IRC | 23:15 | |
| dmj7261 | ...hmm | 23:16 |
| *** guardian has joined #maemo | 23:16 | |
| yuizy | does n900 have a "Tab" key? | 23:16 |
| dmj7261 | n900 has a 3.44 inch display according to that, while iphone is actually 3.6 | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | yuizy, no, but it's simple enough to bind one. | 23:18 |
| yuizy | k | 23:18 |
| greenfly | yuizy: or you can use Ctrl-i in a terminal | 23:18 |
| yuizy | well i don't want to ctrl+something | 23:18 |
| greenfly | the xterm has the Tab shortcut button in the toolbar | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It wont kill you. | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | We promise. | 23:19 |
| yuizy | i use tab as alt+a in all other platforms | 23:19 |
| yuizy | it makes idling at irc much easier | 23:19 |
| greenfly | yuizy: the xterm has that Ctrl lock on the toolbar | 23:19 |
| yuizy | you need two hands for pressing to ctrl+i | 23:19 |
| greenfly | just engage that and then hit 'i' a bunch | 23:19 |
| yuizy | come on | 23:20 |
| yuizy | requires two presses | 23:20 |
| yuizy | :D | 23:20 |
| greenfly | requires a press to lock it, but then each i press sends a tab | 23:20 |
| greenfly | until you unlock ctrl | 23:20 |
| yuizy | too hard for me | 23:20 |
| greenfly | or you could hit the tab shortcut on the toolbar. just one press | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | yuizy, you need two hands to hold the N900. :) | 23:21 |
| greenfly | sounds like you need to invest in a bt keyboard then | 23:21 |
| yuizy | GeneralAntilles: really? | 23:21 |
| *** rdorsch has joined #maemo | 23:21 | |
| yuizy | is it that big | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just pointless trying to one-thumb the keyboard. | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll be unbalanced and wont work well. | 23:21 |
| greenfly | ^^ | 23:21 |
| yuizy | :( | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | yuizy, :roll: | 23:22 |
| greenfly | yuizy: for irssi it'll be easy for you | 23:22 |
| yuizy | i can just rebind some other key | 23:22 |
| greenfly | yuizy: the xterm has touch-screen shortcuts along the bottom | 23:22 |
| greenfly | Tab is one of them | 23:22 |
| yuizy | ok | 23:22 |
| yuizy | then i can use only one hand | 23:22 |
| greenfly | so you can even slide the keyboard back in, and just hit Tab on the screen | 23:22 |
| yuizy | i.e. if i'm walking it's easier to use only one hand | 23:22 |
| *** cure` has quit IRC | 23:24 | |
| *** fiferboy has quit IRC | 23:31 | |
| *** juliank has quit IRC | 23:32 | |
| javispedro | this is what happens when you hack around hildon-desktop too much --> http://depot.javispedro.com/er.png | 23:35 |
| greenfly | heh oops | 23:35 |
| *** cirzgamanti` has joined #maemo | 23:36 | |
| RST38h | oh, I know this picture | 23:36 |
| *** cirzgamanti has quit IRC | 23:36 | |
| javispedro | RST38h: from? | 23:38 |
| javispedro | I'm trying to guess what's going on. I think I've pinpointed it to the glReadPixels call | 23:38 |
| *** jbergj has joined #maemo | 23:41 | |
| *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC | 23:42 | |
| *** JPohlmann has joined #maemo | 23:42 | |
| RST38h | javis: well, pixel format is wrong | 23:42 |
| RST38h | javis: and the line width too, judging from the way it is shifted | 23:43 |
| *** penguinbait has joined #maemo | 23:43 | |
| *** bilboed has quit IRC | 23:43 | |
| zemm | i just found out there is actually s60 putty with touch ui that has 4-way swipe gestures: bind left/right-swipes to alt+left/right-keys and up/down-swipes to page up/down -keys.. and now i'm afraid that mobile irssi experience will degrade with switch to n900 :'( | 23:43 |
| javispedro | RST38h: I think its random though. | 23:43 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 23:44 |
| RST38h | javis: It may, but there does seem to be a pattern to it | 23:44 |
| ShadowJK | putty on s60 degraded alot for me when they switched to that stupid dialpad emulation thingy for non-keyboard symbols :/ | 23:44 |
| zemm | but the swipes are still amazing for scrolling and window switching ;( | 23:44 |
| javispedro | RST38h: yeah, there's always a pattern, but the data changes. now I'm in front of a completely white one with periodic red stripes | 23:44 |
| javispedro | while the texture should've been the same | 23:45 |
| RST38h | hm | 23:45 |
| RST38h | so it copies random garbage there | 23:45 |
| javispedro | seems so. | 23:45 |
| javispedro | do you think that is blurred? | 23:45 |
| javispedro | I have my doubts with so large pixels | 23:45 |
| RST38h | no, it is just garbage if it changes so much from time to time | 23:46 |
| *** jbergj has left #maemo | 23:48 | |
| javispedro | the animation is awful. I don't know if more random data is being introduced as part of the blurring animation algorithm or its just an artifact of trying to blur such an high frequency artifact | 23:48 |
| javispedro | *high frequency image | 23:48 |
| *** ddd has joined #maemo | 23:48 | |
| *** lbt_ is now known as lbt | 23:48 | |
| ddd | is there a way to create a top level x window with an absolute position? | 23:49 |
| *** briglia has quit IRC | 23:49 | |
| *** timeless_mbp has joined #maemo | 23:50 | |
| *** jbergj has joined #maemo | 23:50 | |
| *** jbergj has left #maemo | 23:52 | |
| *** tarek__ has joined #maemo | 23:52 | |
| *** k-s[AWAY] is now known as k-s | 23:54 | |
| *** bulfaiter has joined #maemo | 23:56 | |
| *** goodnight has quit IRC | 23:59 | |
| *** jayabharath has quit IRC | 23:59 | |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!
