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| lcuk | aSIMULAtor, what are you using your crate full of n900s for? | 00:00 |
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| aSIMULAtur | cat scratching post | 00:00 |
| aSIMULAtur | the boxes mainly | 00:00 |
| lcuk | sounds good | 00:00 |
| lcuk | the screen is sensitive enough | 00:00 |
| qwerty12_N810 | mass flickr uploader | 00:00 |
| acidjazz | oh wait this is the n950 no wonder its 1/2 as thick w/ 1024x768 res and a 5 row kb. oh an umbrella too nice. | 00:00 |
| lcuk | and cats claws work well as styluses | 00:00 |
| absolute | haha | 00:00 |
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| absolute | what about a lucky rabbit's foot stylus? | 00:01 |
| absolute | monkey paw | 00:01 |
| lcuk | acidjazz, the n950 should have a bacon grill in the mechanism | 00:01 |
| johnsq | acidjazz: bad, mine will have mind reading :) | 00:01 |
| lcuk | just put a couple of rashers on the expansive keyboard | 00:01 |
| qwerty12_N810 | absolute: elephant tusk | 00:01 |
| lcuk | it has drainage slots | 00:01 |
| aSIMULAtur | http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2510/3903982484_3476b1f64b_o.jpg | 00:01 |
| aSIMULAtur | cat has his own n900 | 00:01 |
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| aSIMULAtur | to surf web with | 00:01 |
| javispedro | lol. | 00:01 |
| lcuk | haha aSIMULAtor | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 00:01 |
| javispedro | cat has n900 with thousands of people not. | 00:01 |
| lcuk | looking at pussy pictures? | 00:02 |
| javispedro | s/with/but | 00:02 |
| * lcuk hides | 00:02 | |
| acidjazz | lol thats an n97 | 00:02 |
| javispedro | aSIMULAtor: but it's the ui "paw friendly" enough? | 00:02 |
| timeless_mbp | so... | 00:02 |
| timeless_mbp | would someone convert my perl into python for me? :) | 00:02 |
| crashanddie_ | aSIMULAtor, is the UI paw friendly enough? | 00:02 |
| aSIMULAtur | yz very much so he said he likes meowmo | 00:02 |
| lcuk | :D haha | 00:02 |
| aSIMULAtur | surprisingly that's why i took that photo...he was actually scrolling through a site | 00:02 |
| crashanddie_ | lmao | 00:02 |
| absolute | timeless_mbp: would you like a sandwich for the wait as well? | 00:03 |
| aSIMULAtur | with slight paw movement | 00:03 |
| absolute | :-P | 00:03 |
| tbf | Jaffa: telepathy-gruschler shows Facebook contact names in F-Contacts. live. :-D | 00:03 |
| SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Crystal-Case-Cover-Pouch-For-Nokia-N900-Maemo-New-UK_W0QQitemZ300357844110QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches?hash=item45eeb8fc8e | 00:03 |
| lcuk | spiral zooming? | 00:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | I guess some people think the n900 will be popular | 00:03 |
| timeless_mbp | absolute: well, convert it to python and then make it work :) | 00:03 |
| timeless_mbp | no sandwich necessary | 00:03 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, its a solid platform, why wouldnt they think that | 00:03 |
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| crashanddie_ | SpeedEvil, wait, what? If your handset is slide version the cover will not affect the slide function. | 00:03 |
| javispedro | any screen protectors for the n900? | 00:04 |
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| aSIMULAtur | that'd be cool if you could get a polarizing filter screen protector | 00:04 |
| javispedro | it's for the cat. | 00:04 |
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| crashanddie_ | My landlord is dancing/snogging with his "flavour of the week" in the middle of the kitchen | 00:04 |
| crashanddie_ | I was hungry | 00:04 |
| aSIMULAtur | i should file his claws natural stylus | 00:05 |
| crashanddie_ | Loud music thumping from the shitty soundsystem | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | My poor cat is still stuck with an N800. | 00:05 |
| aSIMULAtur | my cat pwned ur cat | 00:05 |
| absolute | save all your old nail clippings in a jar | 00:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: ... so... | 00:05 |
| aSIMULAtur | i'll send it to u abs | 00:05 |
| crashanddie_ | absolute, or not | 00:05 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: well, what does he need the hw keyboard for? | 00:05 |
| timeless_mbp | wanna convert my perl to python? | 00:05 |
| acidjazz | yea so i got some maemo quwestions for yall, whast hte primary language that apps can be written in? is it python? java? | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies | 00:05 |
| Arkenklo | after all, I don't really need that extra display | 00:05 |
| crashanddie_ | javispedro, chicks dig a cat who can press the right buttons | 00:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | javispedro: yes - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/stand-2-BLACK-case-cover-for-Nokia-N900-N-900-Protecter_W0QQitemZ260492119586QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches?hash=item3ca68a4e22 forex | 00:06 |
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| absolute | acidjazz: no java really... i've mostly heard people mention python and c | 00:06 |
| Arkenklo | I just don't feel like adding it manually in xorg.conf today | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | acidjazz, C. | 00:06 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: lol for the useless stand. | 00:06 |
| acidjazz | absolute: is python a supportable option? would apps in python require like any kind of dependancies? | 00:06 |
| luke-jr | acidjazz: Qt, for new apps | 00:06 |
| luke-jr | acidjazz: obviously Python apps would depend on Python | 00:07 |
| acidjazz | qt thats like kde right | 00:07 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 00:07 | |
| mgedmin | timeless_mbp: I can try | 00:07 |
| luke-jr | acidjazz: KDE is based on Qt | 00:07 |
| aSIMULAtur | timeless,rest and sleep? | 00:07 |
| acidjazz | qt is like enriched c++ ? | 00:07 |
| luke-jr | acidjazz: yeah | 00:07 |
| luke-jr | acidjazz: Maemo 6 will also be based on Qt | 00:07 |
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| acidjazz | im into that | 00:07 |
| luke-jr | acidjazz: Qt apps will also build native on Windows, Linux, and Mac | 00:08 |
| mgedmin | http://pastey.net/126864 | 00:08 |
| tbf | acidjazz: it's more like C with macros and classes | 00:08 |
| acidjazz | somethign like QApplication app(argc, argv); Qlabel label("hello, world!"); label.show(); return app.exec(); | 00:08 |
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| tbf | acidjazz: some people still wait for a C++ port of Qt | 00:08 |
| luke-jr | tbf: Qt is its own language. | 00:08 |
| crashanddie_ | tbf, Qt is C++ | 00:08 |
| lcuk | lol tbf | 00:08 |
| Xisdibik | SpeedEvil: really lol at that stand | 00:08 |
| lcuk | its c+++ | 00:08 |
| woglinde | acidjazz bahah thats outdated today you make a .ui file with designer | 00:08 |
| crashanddie_ | tbf, gtfo | 00:09 |
| tbf | crashanddie_: only for very strange degrees of C++ | 00:09 |
| javispedro | nah, Qt its is own language. | 00:09 |
| * lcuk giggles | 00:09 | |
| acidjazz | what about any supprot for QtScript ECMAScript interpreter | 00:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Xisdibik: can it suck more than the integrated? | 00:09 |
| crashanddie_ | tbf, oh my bad, I forgot C used classes, objects and inheritance | 00:09 |
| acidjazz | so we could script | 00:09 |
| crashanddie_ | tbf, now gtfo | 00:09 |
| woglinde | acidjazz its in qt-webkit | 00:09 |
| luke-jr | woglinde: Qt has ECMAScript in QtScript too | 00:09 |
| lcuk | crashanddie_, qt IS c++ with additional uses | 00:09 |
| tbf | crashanddie_: wtf? | 00:09 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk, which is what I said | 00:10 |
| acidjazz | In particular, the choice of an implementation based on macros has been criticized for its absence of type safety and pollution of the namespace | 00:10 |
| lcuk | which is what tbf said | 00:10 |
| acidjazz | yea i dont like namespace pollution | 00:10 |
| luke-jr | Qt is what C++ was supposed to be? :)\ | 00:10 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk, erhm... no... saying "people are waiting for a C++ port of Qt" isn't true | 00:10 |
| lcuk | course it is | 00:10 |
| luke-jr | acidjazz: G++ supports type-safe macros | 00:10 |
| crashanddie_ | right | 00:10 |
| lcuk | put your tongue in your cheek | 00:10 |
| tbf | acidjazz: very nasty: Qt's foreach macro. several libs i've seen use "foreach" as method name and such | 00:11 |
| lcuk | its something a lot of people feel | 00:11 |
| crashanddie_ | I'll put my tongue wherever I please | 00:11 |
| acidjazz | tbf; everyones always trying to rewrite looping | 00:11 |
| luke-jr | acidjazz: also note that those "criticism" apply to Python and ECMAScript too | 00:11 |
| acidjazz | object looping simplicity | 00:11 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk, oh fuck off, don't use the "a lot of people" card on me | 00:11 |
| acidjazz | luke-jr: well emca theres no real choice | 00:11 |
| acidjazz | crashanddie_: "ppl are saying" | 00:11 |
| acidjazz | is hwo i like to put it | 00:11 |
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| lcuk | from wikipedia | 00:12 |
| lcuk | Qt uses standard C++, but makes extensive use of the C pre-processor to enrich the language. | 00:12 |
| tbf | guess Qt is relatively nice if you stay in their sandbox | 00:12 |
| lcuk | its c+++ | 00:12 |
| acidjazz | c++++++++++++++++++++++ | 00:12 |
| crashanddie_ | so we're all right | 00:12 |
| crashanddie_ | or all wrong | 00:12 |
| woglinde | *sigh* | 00:12 |
| lcuk | and expects you to use the preprocessor | 00:12 |
| tbf | but as soon as you want to be smart and use additional libs it becomes nasty. | 00:12 |
| woglinde | dont talk use it | 00:12 |
| mgedmin | why every package has its own /opt/$packagename? | 00:12 |
| * lcuk agrees | 00:13 | |
| luke-jr | Qt the implementation is done in C++ | 00:13 |
| mgedmin | I thought the plan was to have /opt/maemo/$packagename? | 00:13 |
| luke-jr | Qt the language is not C++ | 00:13 |
| mgedmin | well, maybe not _every_ package | 00:13 |
| woglinde | tbf nope | 00:13 |
| johnsq | lcuk: the best is it has own script support, where c++ fails. | 00:13 |
| mgedmin | bounce and hermes and maemo-backgrounds | 00:13 |
| woglinde | tbf just linking off you go | 00:13 |
| woglinde | look at qtnx | 00:13 |
| lcuk | johnsq, not a fault of qt or even the toolkit, but i like the fact games have c++ engines built in | 00:13 |
| lcuk | some games rather | 00:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | mgedmin: Ones using maemo-optify get /opt/maemo, others doing it manually can choose what they please | 00:14 |
| mgedmin | sizes of user apps I've got installed: http://pastey.net/126865 | 00:14 |
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| wazd_ | Can anyone give send me a shot of the phone app in portrait mode? | 00:14 |
| lcuk | has anyone actually tried making a c++ runtime parser within | 00:14 |
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| woglinde | lcuk what? | 00:15 |
| lcuk | so it can do the sort of introspection and runtime compilation | 00:15 |
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| wazd_ | just send, no giving :D | 00:15 |
| lcuk | without changing language | 00:15 |
| ali1234 | lcuk: it's called c# | 00:15 |
| lcuk | yes i know the microsoft version is | 00:15 |
| crashanddie_ | rootfs 227.5M 208.7M 14.6M 93% / | 00:15 |
| lcuk | oooer | 00:16 |
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| crashanddie_ | yup | 00:16 |
| crashanddie_ | there's python libs and full c/c++ compilation environment for ya | 00:16 |
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| lcuk | but python isnt exactly a speed horse | 00:17 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: saw realbites post on talk.*? | 00:17 |
| crashanddie_ | nope | 00:17 |
| woglinde | hm beagleboard or java now | 00:17 |
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| lcuk | no Stskeeps link? | 00:17 |
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| crashanddie_ | http://www.stskeeps.net | 00:17 |
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| crashanddie_ | there you go, Stskeeps link, just for you | 00:18 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk, dont have it handy. long story short he made on device compilation chroot | 00:18 |
| lcuk | can i store and move the chroot around as a single file | 00:18 |
| lcuk | so i can just unzip, mount, build? | 00:18 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps, lcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=352348&postcount=16 | 00:18 |
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| ali1234 | lcuk: you can, but why would you want to? | 00:19 |
| lcuk | new machine | 00:19 |
| lcuk | store the chroot somewhere i need it | 00:19 |
| lcuk | copy on as reqd | 00:19 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | localepurge ftw | 00:20 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, does the chroot replace / or merge with it | 00:22 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: neither, seperate - chroot is a seperate root, you enter it from within your maemo install | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | kinda like qole's debian stuff | 00:23 |
| timeless_mbp | lcc? | 00:23 |
| johnsq | lcuk: you must bind dev/proc to the chrooted system and then it is a new / | 00:23 |
| javispedro | lcuk: its the best way to ondevice development, I told you ;P | 00:23 |
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| lcuk | its a lot larger than my current apt-get build-essential stuff :P but if i can get packages at the end thats a benefit | 00:24 |
| crashanddie_ | who needs packages | 00:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: knock off perl-modules | 00:24 |
| crashanddie_ | just zip everything in a binary diff | 00:24 |
| lcuk | wiki code ftw :) | 00:24 |
| lcuk | or just html eventually ;) | 00:25 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Anyone who tries packaging in Maemo, with busybox in use, needs their head examined | 00:25 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk, buy a WebOS enabled device | 00:25 |
| Solarion | blah | 00:25 |
| lcuk | nahh they are all low res | 00:25 |
| lcuk | and wont do the low level stuff i want | 00:25 |
| crashanddie_ | it sends sms and receives calls, what more could anyone need for? | 00:25 |
| lcuk | i got the recursive jumping sorted :) | 00:25 |
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| lcuk | n900 does that | 00:26 |
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| lcuk | presentation app works nicely now | 00:26 |
| crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles, remember what I told you about, the thing I'm writing? | 00:26 |
| crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles, probably won't be possible, my input doesn't support longs (-) | 00:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie_, that sucks. | 00:27 |
| liri | my n810 won't boot up... | 00:30 |
| lcuk | :( liri | 00:30 |
| liri | the blue bar progress has finished and yet nothing is loaded and it's still showing up the white/blue nokia logo | 00:30 |
| Proteous | my n810 didn't respect me in the morning | 00:30 |
| liri | (I'm booting from mmc2 (the sd slot) which has always worked until now) | 00:31 |
| lcuk | liri, try booting from internal>? | 00:31 |
| lcuk | see if it works | 00:31 |
| Solarion | I could see that causing problems. :) | 00:31 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Proteous: I'd feel betrayed, too, if you had bought an N97 | 00:31 |
| johnsq | liri: just wait, it can do fsck | 00:31 |
| liri | that never happend though | 00:31 |
| liri | uhmm | 00:31 |
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| Proteous | my n810 knew that I was going to see other devices! | 00:32 |
| liri | johnsq: but it's like freezing in that state because pushing the power button doesn't get the device to turn off I need to manually take out the battery | 00:32 |
| qwerty12_N810 | liri: Tried booting with the charger in? | 00:32 |
| liri | lcuk: remind me how do I trigger the boot loader when it firsts boot off | 00:32 |
| liri | qwerty12_N810: yes, no change. I actually just now finished charging it | 00:33 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | (I mean turning it fully off and shoving the charger in so it turns on as a result of that) | 00:33 |
| johnsq | liri: okay, I noticed that after the bar, it sometimes take some time, i thinkt it does fsck here | 00:33 |
| lcuk | liri, i dunno | 00:33 |
| lcuk | but if you are booting from mmc2 | 00:33 |
| lcuk | you should still have the original available | 00:33 |
| liri | qwerty12_N810: thats what I did, I turned it fully off then inserted the charger, it started charging it and now finished. | 00:34 |
| Proteous | fsck the orig | 00:34 |
| w00t | i thought i'd walked into something quite rude for a moment | 00:34 |
| w00t | then i realised the channel name | 00:34 |
| liri | right, I haven't thought about fsck it might indeed be doing that although that's a bit wierd | 00:34 |
| liri | how do I invoke the boot loader when it's turned on to boot from internal? | 00:34 |
| qwerty12_N810 | liri: OK. Just asking as booting with the charger in makes it start in runlevel 5. | 00:34 |
| Proteous | hold down F2 | 00:35 |
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| liri | Proteous: are you always that funny? | 00:35 |
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| Proteous | heh | 00:36 |
| liri | qwerty12_N810: ahh ok | 00:36 |
| Proteous | only to some... | 00:36 |
| liri | qwerty12_N810: I'll wait a while to see if it's fsck running or not | 00:36 |
| Proteous | the rest just have me on ignore | 00:36 |
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| crashanddie_ | Proteous, I'm surprised | 00:38 |
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| Proteous | I suprise myself sometimes, usualy when looking in a mirror | 00:40 |
| pupnik___ | i need someonen with contacts in china to mfgr a new product | 00:41 |
| luke-jr | pupnik___: you have funding? O.O | 00:42 |
| pupnik___ | dev is easypie | 00:42 |
| luke-jr | ? | 00:42 |
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| pupnik___ | need an EE to do some bridge work | 00:43 |
| pupnik___ | some case mfgr, then i can hawk to distribution frieends | 00:43 |
| pupnik___ | i can push it to the big ones, whatever are around | 00:43 |
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| pupnik___ | since i used to work in the biz | 00:43 |
| pupnik___ | need a money man though. always hard to find reeal business talent | 00:44 |
| SpeedEvil | What sort of device? | 00:44 |
| pupnik___ | niche product | 00:44 |
| pupnik___ | geek thing, low investment | 00:44 |
| SpeedEvil | A USB heated mug, or a hypercube cluster of xeons? | 00:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did somebody kill Google? | 00:45 |
| crashanddie_ | pupnik___, what do you need? | 00:45 |
| pupnik___ | someone to help me do thebiz plan | 00:45 |
| pupnik___ | and nix it if something cant wok | 00:45 |
| pupnik___ | work | 00:46 |
| pupnik___ | damn chinese wireless kbd | 00:46 |
| SpeedEvil | 1) Collect underpants | 00:46 |
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| pupnik___ | when can we get n900 imamge? | 00:46 |
| VDVsx_ | wow, we'll have custom irc cloaks, thanks GeneralAntilles ;) | 00:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, just in time for you bastards to get them. :( | 00:49 |
| javispedro | hey, i'm a bastard. when I'm getting mine? | 00:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, 500 karma points. :P | 00:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seriously, who killed Google? | 00:50 |
| range | Oh, sorry. | 00:50 |
| javispedro | WORKSFORME. | 00:50 |
| * qwerty12_N810 whistles and walks away | 00:50 | |
| SpeedEvil | WORKSFORME | 00:51 |
| * GeneralAntilles mutters evil things about Comcast. | 00:51 | |
| luke-jr | pupnik___: if it's my niche, I'd be glad to do development on it | 00:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Natures niche? | 00:51 |
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| ali1234 | is there a bug for the fact that it is currently impossible to type "~"? | 00:54 |
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| ifreq | ali1234: why not? | 00:54 |
| ali1234 | ifreq: press alt+sym, press "~", nothing happens | 00:55 |
| mgedmin | ali1234: it's possible, but hard | 00:55 |
| ali1234 | nothing on the third row works | 00:55 |
| mgedmin | it's a dead_tilde | 00:55 |
| mgedmin | press ~ then press space | 00:55 |
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| mgedmin | or press any of the third row keys then press any letter | 00:55 |
| ali1234 | so it's a known bug then i assume, if there's work arounds? | 00:55 |
| mgedmin | it's not a bug, it's a (mis)feature | 00:55 |
| ali1234 | er | 00:55 |
| ali1234 | it's a bug | 00:55 |
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| mgedmin | "impossible" is patently false | 00:56 |
| mgedmin | I think there's a bug about the nondiscoverability of the function of the third row of symbols, yes | 00:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not a bug, it's a feature. | 00:56 |
| ali1234 | there's no way you can convince me that is a feature | 00:56 |
| ali1234 | why does only the third row do it, and not the others? | 00:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | It allows you to input letters. | 00:56 |
| ali1234 | hmm so it does | 00:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because Nokia has occasional extreme bouts of retardation as far as usability goes. | 00:57 |
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| ali1234 | that's kind of cool actually | 00:57 |
| ali1234 | but it needs to be clearly labelled | 00:57 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, I propose that members < 18 years old aren't eligible for the cloaks, hihiihih | 00:57 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, ^^ | 00:57 |
| ali1234 | i dont think i've ever typed an accented character before | 00:57 |
| range | Can't you choose between dead and none-dead? | 00:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: Asshat :p | 00:57 |
| range | non- | 00:58 |
| javispedro | you evil karma whores and cloack whores. | 00:58 |
| * qwerty12_N810 gives javispedro the "Talk Spamming Kit": GoGoGo | 00:59 | |
| * javispedro will now bet all his karma in karma betting thread | 00:59 | |
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| VDVsx | there's a thread for that ? lol | 01:00 |
| javispedro | yes. and it's not even closed for some weird reason! | 01:00 |
| javispedro | probably a universe-destroying paradox. | 01:00 |
| javispedro | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33125 | 01:00 |
| javispedro | place your bets, gentleman! | 01:00 |
| lcuk | i think the moderators who can close the thread are just leaving it there to see how the thanks payout is gonna come about | 01:01 |
| VDVsx | OMG | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm disappointed in your lack of informedness, VDVsx. | 01:02 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, I've a life :) | 01:02 |
| javispedro | your lack of faith in tmo's informedness is disturbing. | 01:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | maemo.org/council/TheUninformedOne/VDVsx | 01:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, pish tosh. | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, you have nothing! :P | 01:03 |
| javispedro | ouch, he's in the council now, i forgot. | 01:03 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, he has YOU to tell him what happened | 01:03 |
| lcuk | why does he need to watch anything else | 01:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, he's a chair, that's not what you do with chairs. :D | 01:03 |
| crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles, are you trying to imply we should stack VDVsx on you? | 01:04 |
| * VDVsx requests a bullying job for tomorrow. address;qwerty12_N810's school | 01:04 | |
| b-man17 | lol | 01:04 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: Good luck with that: I'm no longer in school :p | 01:05 |
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| * VDVsx sends some Real Madrid merchandising to javispedro | 01:05 | |
| liri | how long could that fsck run for? | 01:06 |
| qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: rofl | 01:06 |
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| VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, school = colleague , university, etc... | 01:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | cosmo, ping? | 01:16 |
| b-man17 | ~coin | 01:17 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, coin is flipped... heads or tails? | 01:17 |
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| b-man17 | ~heads | 01:18 |
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| b-man17 | hmm. | 01:18 |
| javispedro | ~flip | 01:18 |
| * infobot flips a coin in the air and it is... tails! | 01:18 | |
| b-man17 | ~flip | 01:19 |
| * infobot flips a coin in the air and it is... oshi--it's the side! | 01:19 | |
| b-man17 | lol | 01:19 |
| Corsac | ~karma Corsac | 01:19 |
| infobot | corsac has karma of 1 | 01:19 |
| Corsac | woouh | 01:19 |
| b-man17 | xD | 01:19 |
| Mousey | oh there is an infobot in here | 01:19 |
| hardaker | ~karma infobot | 01:19 |
| infobot | infobot has karma of 3 | 01:19 |
| Mousey | infobot++ | 01:20 |
| javispedro | ~rot13 uryyb | 01:20 |
| infobot | hello | 01:20 |
| b-man17 | ~karma GeneralAntilles | 01:20 |
| infobot | generalantilles has karma of 1 | 01:20 |
| javispedro | ~rot13 Fgbc nohfvat zr, lbh rivy xnezn juberf. | 01:21 |
| infobot | Stop abusing me, you evil karma whores. | 01:21 |
| b-man17 | lol | 01:21 |
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| Xisdibik | ~karma Xisdibik | 01:21 |
| infobot | xisdibik has neutral karma | 01:21 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | just for that, infobot: | 01:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ~infobot++ | 01:22 |
| Xisdibik | b-man17: i think your program is going to be one of the first i install once i get my n900... whever that will be.... (next week? next month? next year? next decade? lol) | 01:22 |
| javispedro | bet your tmo karma already? | 01:22 |
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| lcuk | ~n900 | 01:25 |
| infobot | n900 is, like, OMAP3430, HD camera, HSPA, Maemo 5 (Fremantle), probably Summer 2009 (or later) | 01:25 |
| lbt | has anyone used modest against cyrus imap? | 01:25 |
| Solarion | infobot: get up-to-date, man. | 01:25 |
| * infobot fetches up-to-date, man. | 01:25 | |
| lcuk | lol | 01:25 |
| * GAN900 decides that the Wii lanyard doesn't work. | 01:25 | |
| b-man17 | Xisdibik: it´l get done when it gets done ;) | 01:25 |
| Solarion | heh | 01:25 |
| b-man17 | Xisdibik: (after i´m done with Bootsplash Manager) | 01:26 |
| VDVsx | GAN900, broke you tv ? | 01:26 |
| VDVsx | *your | 01:26 |
| b-man17 | ~slap himself silly | 01:26 |
| * infobot slaps himself silly, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! | 01:26 | |
| Solarion | enuff with teh botbuse | 01:26 |
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| javispedro | ~slashdot | 01:28 |
| infobot | Slashdot Headlines (6 of 15): NVIDIA Driver Developer Discusses Linux Graphics ;; AT&T Suggests To 300K Employees To Lobby the FCC ;; Apple Blurs the Server Line With Mac Mini Server ;; The Kindle Killer Arrives ;; Google Envisions 10 Million Servers ;; How Do You Manage Dev/Test/Production Environments?. | 01:28 |
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| Xisdibik | b-man17: haha, would be funny if they were waiting to give me my phone until your bootsplash manager was done | 01:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, on the N900. ;) | 01:30 |
| b-man17 | Xisdibik: indeed xD | 01:31 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, oh, be careful , lol | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too big | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lanyard hole is on the wrong damn end. | 01:31 |
| Xisdibik | b-man17: you really did make my day with that program (the other day), cant wait to put up some cool clip for my bootsplash :D | 01:31 |
| b-man17 | :) | 01:32 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, theres a lanyard clip on the back of the device | 01:33 |
| lcuk | just flip it out near the camera bezel | 01:33 |
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| ifreq | a cord used with artillery | 01:34 |
| ifreq | interesting word lcuk :P | 01:34 |
| b-man17 | Xisdibik: it´s been quite a learning experience :) | 01:35 |
| b-man17 | .....almost like when i had to learn badh to create cdeb2 xD | 01:36 |
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| b-man17 | *bash | 01:36 |
| lcuk | ifreq, which word? | 01:37 |
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| ifreq | lcuk: lanyard | 01:39 |
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| ifreq | at least my dictionary told that one of the meaning is what i described earlier :P | 01:40 |
| lcuk | ahh | 01:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is the one you want: http://www.cym.com.sg/images/Lanyard%20With%20Detachable%20Buckle.jpg | 01:42 |
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| zerojay | crashanddie_: I love you. | 01:43 |
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| crashanddie_ | zerojay, :) | 01:44 |
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| crashanddie_ | who are the moderators on TMO? | 01:46 |
| crashanddie_ | I'd like them to close the "N900 UK Networks" thread | 01:46 |
| crashanddie_ | it's become a competition and moanfest of who managed to get a discounted n900 or not | 01:47 |
| zerojay | stgadsby or whatever his name is... lol... timsamoff and Reggie, I think. | 01:47 |
| crashanddie_ | sjgadsby | 01:47 |
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| zerojay | Every time I see his name, it makes me think I might be dyslexic. :P | 01:47 |
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| zerojay | ...if that was even... er... spelled right. | 01:48 |
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| Xisdibik | nac uoy daer siht zerojay | 01:49 |
| crashanddie_ | zerojay puts the sexy in dyslexic | 01:49 |
| zerojay | Xisdibik: WHAT DID YOU CALL ME?!? ;) | 01:49 |
| pupnik___ | need toestimate target market luke-jr | 01:49 |
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| * VDVsx is dyslexic :( | 01:50 | |
| crashanddie_ | or he could be insulting some guy called "Nac" | 01:50 |
| crashanddie_ | "Nac you dear shit" | 01:50 |
| zerojay | haha. | 01:50 |
| Xisdibik | zerojay: it was a test "can you read this" backwards, if you could read it your dyslexic ;) | 01:50 |
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| zerojay | Xisdibik: lol. Pretty easy to read it anyways. ;) | 01:50 |
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| Xisdibik | sounds dyslexic to me ;) | 01:51 |
| crashanddie_ | Xisdibik, that's not a test | 01:51 |
| Xisdibik | but ill let it slide, since you have a n900 ;( | 01:51 |
| Xisdibik | you just want it to be me insulting Nac :P which it never will be ;) | 01:52 |
| crashanddie_ | dyslexic people have an advantage | 01:52 |
| crashanddie_ | they always win at scrabble | 01:52 |
| crashanddie_ | (or at least they would if we let them play) | 01:52 |
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| zerojay | Fuck Nac. What a dick. | 01:53 |
| Xisdibik | lol | 01:53 |
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| * timeless_mbp needs to fix package names | 01:54 | |
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| crashanddie_ | \r/com.nokia.*/\s/org.maemo/ | 01:55 |
| pupnik___ | which preaid data card to choose for n900 germany - fonic? (but you pay 60 euro for the usb stick) | 01:55 |
| pupnik___ | want daily data simcard withoutu hardwarde | 01:56 |
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| crashanddie_ | and? and? and? | 01:58 |
| crashanddie_ | of course not, another item on the agenda! | 01:58 |
| * crashanddie_ wants to go to bed | 01:58 | |
| lbt | lcuk --->> http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/4030555562/ | 01:59 |
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| lcuk | thanks lbt :) | 02:02 |
| lcuk | just what i always wanted | 02:02 |
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| lcuk | beer goggles? http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/4030554586/in/set-72157622628269368/ | 02:02 |
| lbt | I thought it caught you rather well | 02:02 |
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| lcuk | wasnt as good as the samppa picture | 02:03 |
| lcuk | but i had the grace to let him personally delete that one | 02:03 |
| lcuk | before anyone saw it :) | 02:03 |
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| mgedmin | omgwtfbbq: my tablet ran OOM *again* | 02:04 |
| mgedmin | apps running: xterm | 02:04 |
| lcuk | lol | 02:04 |
| lcuk | lots of scrollback | 02:04 |
| mgedmin | non-gui apps running: sshd (with socks proxy), dnsmasq | 02:04 |
| lcuk | tracker? | 02:04 |
| mgedmin | statusbar applets: load-applet, brightness-applet, pc-connectivity applet | 02:04 |
| lcuk | indexing? | 02:04 |
| mgedmin | OOM killer killed browserd | 02:05 |
| mgedmin | another browserd | 02:05 |
| mgedmin | then hildon-thumbnai, hildon-status-m and hildon-desktop | 02:05 |
| mgedmin | then I could use it again for a brief while | 02:05 |
| mgedmin | but when I tried to reconnect to the net (i.e. invoke the connections menu), the whole UI froze hard | 02:05 |
| mgedmin | power button barely worked after four attempts | 02:06 |
| lcuk | :( | 02:06 |
| mgedmin | *after* the oom killer I saw <200 megs of ram used and <100 megs swap used | 02:06 |
| crashanddie_ | I'm off to bed | 02:06 |
| crashanddie_ | take care people | 02:06 |
| mgedmin | why freeze soon after *that*? | 02:06 |
| mgedmin | okay, disabling facebook widget, will see if things get better or not | 02:06 |
| mgedmin | timeless_mbp: if you're alive, there's code that WORKSONMYMACHINE here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mgedmin/+junk/timeless-translations/files | 02:07 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm alive | 02:07 |
| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: um | 02:08 |
| zerojay | Anyone out there mind translating a few simple strings into your native language, whatever it is? Just wanna add translations to my packages. | 02:08 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm betting that line 36 fails miserably | 02:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | zenity is passed a large number of arguments with random quotation characters and things | 02:09 |
| timeless_mbp | using the array form meant that i could safely not worry about it | 02:09 |
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| mgedmin | timeless_mbp: if it were up to me, I'd work on caching the indexes on disk next | 02:11 |
| mgedmin | uh, bit of a bug there, it crashes after loading locale data | 02:11 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 02:11 |
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| mgedmin | fix pushed | 02:13 |
| mgedmin | well, being pushed | 02:13 |
| mgedmin | pushed | 02:13 |
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| mgedmin | works for me now on the n900 | 02:16 |
| mgedmin | drops my ssh connection for some reason when I run translations.py from an xterm | 02:16 |
| mgedmin | high cpu usage = ssh times out? no clue | 02:17 |
| mgedmin | anyway, sleep time now | 02:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | ooh, script works | 02:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, memoserv: mgedmin, your version, advanced options, browse, ar, apt, => | 02:24 |
| timeless_mbp | "This option is not available. Please see --help for all possible usages. | 02:24 |
| till- | does the default email-client on maemo 4 support imap-folders? | 02:25 |
| timeless_mbp | selecting gconf-editor results in a complete failure | 02:25 |
| timeless_mbp | till-: um, i don't think maemo 4 was monolithic wrt default email client | 02:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | from memory it changes from osso-mail to modest-tinymail | 02:25 |
| till- | yes i think its modest | 02:26 |
| timeless_mbp | s/changes/changed/ | 02:26 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: from memory it changed from osso-mail to modest-tinymail | 02:26 |
| timeless_mbp | you probably mean diablo (maemo4.1) | 02:26 |
| till- | but i can't find an option for subscribing folders | 02:26 |
| timeless_mbp | there isn't one :) | 02:26 |
| till- | well ... great | 02:26 |
| timeless_mbp | but supposedly you can configure mail folders | 02:26 |
| till- | so i'll keep using claws mail | 02:26 |
| timeless_mbp | and whichever are subscribed may show up | 02:26 |
| till- | you mean add a new folder with the same name as one existing on the server? | 02:27 |
| timeless_mbp | not sure | 02:28 |
| timeless_mbp | someone described doing this for modest in fremantle | 02:28 |
| till- | well, i will try | 02:28 |
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| till- | ty | 02:28 |
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| * lcuk waves at till- \o | 02:29 | |
| lcuk | evening | 02:29 |
| * SpeedEvil stabs the company formerly known as British Telecom. | 02:32 | |
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| ali1234 | cool. my internet goes down. n900 gets me online with ubuntu with no hacks and no complicated set up. i'm impressed. | 02:35 |
| ali1234 | all i had to do was plug in on usb and select it in network manager | 02:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | you mean tethering? | 02:36 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 02:36 |
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| ali1234 | it never works right with any other phone i've tried | 02:36 |
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| zerojay | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=353318#post353318 - If anyone can help me out, post to the thread. | 02:37 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: Out of curiosity, living in Quebec, do you speak French? | 02:39 |
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| ali1234 | 3G is almost as fast as my ADSL :) | 02:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | zerojay: I only spak ytpo | 02:41 |
| penguinbait | I thought you hate french qwerty | 02:41 |
| wiretapped | ali1234: awesome | 02:42 |
| wiretapped | DUN? | 02:42 |
| ali1234 | yes, DUN | 02:42 |
| wiretapped | does it do it over bluetooth too? | 02:42 |
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| ali1234 | i don't think so | 02:42 |
| ali1234 | not that i can find anyway | 02:42 |
| wiretapped | aw :( | 02:42 |
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| ali1234 | should be easy to add though | 02:42 |
| ali1234 | although for bluetooth, NAP profile is way better | 02:42 |
| wiretapped | I plan to setup PAN | 02:42 |
| wiretapped | PAN, NAP, whatever | 02:43 |
| wiretapped | the good one :) | 02:43 |
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| ali1234 | NAP = network access point (runs over PAN) | 02:43 |
| wiretapped | PANAP | 02:43 |
| ali1234 | not so well supported in ubuntu, unless you install blueman | 02:43 |
| wiretapped | oh. | 02:43 |
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| ali1234 | blueman is great btw, get it if you use bluetooth on ubuntu, really | 02:44 |
| wiretapped | i've only ever done it in OS2007 with debian etch | 02:44 |
| ali1234 | it makes bluetooth actually useful | 02:44 |
| wiretapped | it was a big pain | 02:44 |
| wiretapped | but was awesome when it finally worked | 02:44 |
| wiretapped | wow, blueman does indeed look great | 02:45 |
| wiretapped | thanks | 02:45 |
| ali1234 | NAP profile probably needs a kernel with NAT support | 02:45 |
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| wiretapped | yeah, that or a SOCKS proxy | 02:46 |
| ali1234 | for blueman, use the PPA on jaunty, or it's in the repos on karmic | 02:46 |
| tbf | if the mozilla guys would just learn to create reusable code :-( | 02:46 |
| wiretapped | hopefully it won't be too hard to do NAT though. | 02:46 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/timsamoff/4016993161/ HDR=shiny | 02:46 |
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| tbf | looking at their universal charset detector (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/intl/chardet.html) and don't know how to use it from a regular app | 02:46 |
| wiretapped | wait, are you not doing NAT with your DUN setup? | 02:47 |
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| ali1234 | wiretapped: well i could turn it on on my desktop. but on pc suite mode you just get a usb serial port to do dial up networking on | 02:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm | 02:48 |
| ali1234 | but since this is just temporary until my ISP gets it's act together... | 02:48 |
| wiretapped | i don't follow. your PC has an RFC1918 IP, right? So... | 02:48 |
| wiretapped | where is the NAT happening? | 02:48 |
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| ali1234 | the phone is just acting as a modem | 02:49 |
| wiretapped | are you getting an external IP through DUN?! | 02:49 |
| zerojay | qwerty12_N810: I do speak French but it's a second language. English is my first. | 02:49 |
| ali1234 | no, because t-mobile does not give external IPs | 02:49 |
| wiretapped | ah | 02:49 |
| ali1234 | but the PC gets the IP that the phone would usually get | 02:49 |
| wiretapped | so tmobile is doing the NAT. | 02:49 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: Ah :) | 02:50 |
| ali1234 | right | 02:50 |
| wiretapped | right. | 02:50 |
| zerojay | Watchin' hockey... | 02:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Ow - my eyes. | 02:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | I was looking for n900 images. http://www.flickr.com/photos/9601500@N08/3547127140/ (not especially worksafe) | 02:51 |
| ali1234 | if i wanted i could set networkmanager to share the connection on my eth0, turn off my router, and wait for all my other machines to pick up the new IP from my machine's DHCP server, and it would work | 02:51 |
| ali1234 | but since it's temporary i'm not going to try it :) | 02:52 |
| SpeedEvil | I can't seem to set flickr to search for n900 | 02:52 |
| qwerty12_N810 | SpeedEvil: N900 panoramic background! | 02:52 |
| ali1234 | SpeedEvil: you had to share :( | 02:53 |
| penguinbait | admit it qwerty12_N810, you were turned on when you saw that half naked midget | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry :) | 02:55 |
| penguinbait | hah | 02:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | penguinbait: Only because I thought it was you | 02:55 |
| penguinbait | heh | 02:55 |
| penguinbait | seriously though, lcuk at his first hooters | 02:56 |
| lcuk | Where the heck is the "[COLOR="Red"][SIZE="7"]FINISH HIM![/SIZE][/COLOR]" button? | 02:56 |
| lcuk | was what i was just posting | 02:56 |
| penguinbait | heh | 02:56 |
| nwidger | so... where are the free n900 handouts? :D | 02:57 |
| timeless_mbp | nwidger: a few weeks ago? | 02:57 |
| nwidger | :( | 02:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | One's here | 02:57 |
| penguinbait | don't know but if you see a line forming somewhere, let me know | 02:57 |
| lcuk | nwidger, you had to be there | 02:57 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk++ | 02:57 |
| nwidger | where? | 02:57 |
| penguinbait | so true | 02:57 |
| timeless_mbp | AMS | 02:57 |
| penguinbait | Amsterdam | 02:57 |
| lcuk | and they werent free handouts | 02:57 |
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| nwidger | no? | 02:58 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N810, it happened again | 02:58 |
| Macer | hm | 02:59 |
| SpeedEvil | np: Grandmaster Flash - n900 lines. | 03:00 |
| penguinbait | anyone tried openarena on n900 yet? | 03:00 |
| timeless_mbp | they were long term loans | 03:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: ok, i was wrong about the args stuff. pythonic arrays = magic | 03:08 |
| timeless_mbp | http://bugs.python.org/issue1448060 | 03:08 |
| timeless_mbp | seems to be biting me | 03:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | sp3000: debian bug tracking rocks: http://git.gnome.org/cgit/gnome-terminal/commit/?id=30f29e7d8e1b67c40cd18a7155ba30c4382692d5 | 03:12 |
| timeless_mbp | instead of making sure there was a bug for the core problem | 03:13 |
| timeless_mbp | they worked around it | 03:13 |
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| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: hmm when you mentioned it I was thinking "it probably breaks on some corner case" | 03:22 |
| * sp3000 wins! | 03:22 | |
| timeless_mbp | there's a reason i prefer to use msgunfmt | 03:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://mail.python.org/pipermail/i18n-sig/2003-March/001546.html | 03:23 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: it seems like gettext.py sucks :) | 03:24 |
| sp3000 | well now you fell into 2003 | 03:24 |
| timeless_mbp | ok | 03:24 |
| timeless_mbp | so we prefer the 2007 unfixed bug? | 03:24 |
| sp3000 | fixed bugs are boring :> | 03:25 |
| timeless_mbp | how do i "patch" my gettext.py? | 03:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://bugs.python.org/issue1475523 ?! | 03:28 |
| timeless_mbp | so basically the python people don't care about fixing bugs | 03:28 |
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| wiretapped | timeless_mbp: what do you mean 'how do i "patch"'? | 03:29 |
| timeless_mbp | wiretapped: well... pretend i'm an end user on a computer (i.e. i am not root) | 03:29 |
| timeless_mbp | and pretend my admin has installed python (my admin is clearly an idiot) | 03:30 |
| wiretapped | ah | 03:30 |
| timeless_mbp | that means i have a /usr/lib/python2.6/gettext.py | 03:30 |
| timeless_mbp | which is buggy | 03:30 |
| wiretapped | yeah i don't know how to do that off the top of my head, but it is certainly possible :) | 03:30 |
| timeless_mbp | and i'd like to .... | 03:30 |
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| wiretapped | you have to do your build somewhere without root and without a cooperative admin? | 03:31 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd rather not build python :) | 03:31 |
| sp3000 | something like, make a local install of hg and look at what it's doing | 03:31 |
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| wiretapped | I think you can set PYTHONPATH | 03:31 |
| ali1234 | if /usr/lib/python2.6/gettext.py is really python, you can just edit it | 03:32 |
| wiretapped | ali1234: he's not root. | 03:32 |
| wiretapped | but PYTHONPATH should work, assuming you can slip it in to python's env during your build somehow :) | 03:33 |
| lcuk | arghhh | 03:33 |
| lcuk | shouldnt have messed with my clock | 03:33 |
| lcuk | what time is it (if you are in the uk) | 03:33 |
| ali1234 | time to install ntpd? | 03:34 |
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| sp3000 | it seems to be close enough | 03:34 |
| lcuk | ali1234, i removed the cursed thing | 03:34 |
| wiretapped | lcuk: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=time+in+london | 03:34 |
| wiretapped | (:sorry:) | 03:35 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: the patch fixes 1 out of 3 nearly identical errors :) | 03:35 |
| lcuk | wiretapped, ive just been on a website which showed me computer time, i wouldv prefered human interaction :P | 03:35 |
| lcuk | thx tho | 03:36 |
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| sp3000 | lcuk: just ctcp time random unsuspecting people | 03:37 |
| sp3000 | like I do! | 03:37 |
| lcuk | no, windows and linux ssh timestamps and hours changing screws up too often | 03:37 |
| lcuk | because the two machines dont change right times and they have fights about +- hour changes | 03:38 |
| samueldr | ouch, I can't flash my n800 (Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy) | 03:38 |
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| wiretapped | lcuk: http://www.isitbeeroclock.com/ | 03:38 |
| samueldr | even as root | 03:38 |
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| samueldr | (using the flasher on linux) | 03:38 |
| lcuk | samueldr, remove the bettery | 03:38 |
| lcuk | reboot computer | 03:38 |
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| lcuk | plug wire in with totally deactive device with no battery | 03:39 |
| lcuk | wait until flasher says "waiting.." | 03:39 |
| lcuk | then plug battery in | 03:39 |
| samueldr | already tried ;__; | 03:39 |
| lcuk | different port then | 03:39 |
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| samueldr | almost did them all (no hub) | 03:39 |
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| samueldr | it must be some udev rules banging on the device before the flasher can | 03:40 |
| samueldr | (just thought about that) | 03:40 |
| samueldr | Oct 20 20:42:07 HOMER load-modules.sh: 'usb:v0421p0105d0031dc02dsc00dp00ic02isc08ip00' is not a valid module or alias name | 03:41 |
| samueldr | this doesn't seem right... | 03:42 |
| ali1234 | no, that's correct | 03:42 |
| ali1234 | those are the usb IDs and endpoints | 03:43 |
| samueldr | ok | 03:43 |
| ali1234 | and there's no module matching it | 03:43 |
| samueldr | good to know | 03:43 |
| ali1234 | because there's no driver for it in flashing mode | 03:43 |
| ali1234 | that's why you use libusb | 03:43 |
| samueldr | thanks | 03:43 |
| samueldr | good to know | 03:43 |
| samueldr | (I thought my archlinux box could have some weird config) | 03:43 |
| samueldr | (never flashed with it) | 03:43 |
| ali1234 | well, it could | 03:43 |
| samueldr | crw-rw-r-- 1 root vboxusers 189, 11 oct 20 20:42 /dev/bus/usb/001/012 | 03:44 |
| samueldr | root is able to access the device | 03:45 |
| samueldr | (checked with lsusb) | 03:45 |
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| * timeless_mbp sighs | 03:46 | |
| timeless_mbp | of course... | 03:46 |
| timeless_mbp | msgunfmt complains about invalid multibyte sequences | 03:46 |
| timeless_mbp | so it's not like i have any tools that actually work :) | 03:46 |
| lcuk | gahhh timeless | 03:47 |
| lcuk | you are havin big probs with this recently! | 03:47 |
| lcuk | what did you change lol | 03:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | well, mgedgmin converted my code from perl to python | 03:48 |
| timeless_mbp | so instead of using a slightly buggy commandline tool to read mo files | 03:49 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm using a very brittle and buggy python module | 03:49 |
| timeless_mbp | but at least it's threaded | 03:49 |
| timeless_mbp | i think | 03:49 |
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| lcuk | heh | 03:49 |
| timeless_mbp | (not at all sure about that part) | 03:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | in fact | 03:49 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't think it is | 03:49 |
| samueldr | well, gonna try to reboot and flash with windows | 03:49 |
| timeless_mbp | which basically means i have a python version of my original script | 03:49 |
| lcuk | variety! | 03:50 |
| lcuk | start a rosetta stone version of your translation management system! | 03:50 |
| lcuk | translate it into every language | 03:50 |
| tbf | bah. seems microb is built without universalchardet :-( | 03:51 |
| timeless_mbp | tbf: it turned out to not really be worth much | 03:52 |
| timeless_mbp | w/ time, more modern web pages are less likely to have broken charsets | 03:52 |
| tbf | timeless_mbp: well. yes. | 03:53 |
| timeless_mbp | plus when we were deciding what to include, we didn't have font coverage for anything interesting anyway | 03:53 |
| timeless_mbp | (that's circa maemo3 fwiw) | 03:53 |
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| tbf | timeless_mbp: well, might be useless for the browser. but other apps could have some use for it ;-) | 03:56 |
| tbf | timeless_mbp: guess it's not quite trivial to build this piece separately? | 03:56 |
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| samueldr | it flashed with windows | 04:11 |
| Arkenklo | why would it flash itself with windows? | 04:12 |
| Arkenklo | windows sucks | 04:12 |
| code177 | hey guys | 04:13 |
| code177 | sooo.. im following thp | 04:13 |
| code177 | s thp's info on http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs_unstable/tutorial/html/sec-TouchSelector.html | 04:13 |
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| code177 | er | 04:13 |
| code177 | oh right, no copy paste in vmware | 04:13 |
| code177 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=352471&postcount=5 this one | 04:14 |
| Arkenklo | good for you it didn't contain your nasty porn | 04:14 |
| code177 | damn right | 04:14 |
| code177 | anyhow | 04:14 |
| code177 | there's a step im missing | 04:14 |
| Arkenklo | that could have emotionally scarred us all for a long while | 04:14 |
| Arkenklo | anyway, I should go to bed; I think I'm funny | 04:15 |
| code177 | which is where the output is changed from <span font_desc="Nokia Sans 18" foreground="<GdkColor at 0x9xx | 04:15 |
| code177 | into text with formatting | 04:15 |
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| lcuk | mornin fiferboy | 04:58 |
| fiferboy | evening lcuk | 04:59 |
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| lcuk | i did a video showing what i meant to show at the summit.. | 04:59 |
| lcuk | ie my presentation | 04:59 |
| lcuk | theres actually a few - but this one shows the engine really well http://www.youtube.com/user/lcukmaemo#p/a/u/2/7hGUKICDeok | 05:00 |
| lcuk | and a qucik flick through the presentation ;) | 05:00 |
| fiferboy | lcuk - cool, I will check that out | 05:00 |
| lcuk | hows you goin | 05:00 |
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| fiferboy | pretty good. relaxing with the wife | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, put down the tablet. :P | 05:01 |
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| fiferboy | :D | 05:02 |
| lcuk | lol | 05:03 |
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| lcuk | fiferwife_n900, tell him to turn it off | 05:05 |
| fiferboy_n900 | it is better than lardwife... | 05:07 |
| zerojayN900 | lol | 05:07 |
| lcuk | lol | 05:07 |
| zerojayN900 | owned | 05:07 |
| lcuk | its ok, i have liqwife :) | 05:08 |
| fiferboy_n900 | lol | 05:08 |
| fiferboy_n900 | Erin thinks fiferwife is cute | 05:10 |
| lcuk | cool, tell erin to shush for a minute and phone your wife ;) | 05:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shouldn't that be Personal Wife? | 05:11 |
| lcuk | lol | 05:12 |
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| fiferboy_n900 | better than Large Statusbar Wife... | 05:12 |
| lcuk | either way, make sure shes been optified | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy_n900, I'm just glad Nokia finally decided to ship one by default. *g* | 05:13 |
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| fiferboy_n900 | Yes. I hear harmattan will have a built-in Bird List app | 05:16 |
| fiferboy_n900 | :) | 05:16 |
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| lcuk | summit n900 recipients, report in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33205 | 05:25 |
| zerojay | fiferboy_n900: My apps bring all the birds to the yard... | 05:26 |
| fiferboy_n900 | zerojay - video game wallpapers or adblock? | 05:28 |
| zerojay | fiferboy_n900: I didn't exactly mean MINE... but.. haha. | 05:28 |
| fiferboy_n900 | :) | 05:28 |
| |R | that libqbase stuff is amazing | 05:28 |
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| * lcuk takes a bow | 05:28 | |
| zerojay | Any of our Russian, French, Spanish or Italian friends awake? | 05:29 |
| |R | kind of late hehe | 05:29 |
| lcuk | |R, late for what | 05:29 |
| zerojay | lol.. never too late. | 05:29 |
| zerojay | Often see RST38h or wazd_ awake about now. | 05:30 |
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| |R | lcuk : no, not the lib, for europeans :) | 05:30 |
| |R | lcuk : well, i guess you're in the UK but... ;) | 05:30 |
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| lcuk | im just making something :) | 05:30 |
| lcuk | and noticed a crapola bug | 05:30 |
| |R | That libqbase stuff is related to harmattan UI or just lots of personal fun? | 05:31 |
| lcuk | liqbase * | 05:31 |
| lcuk | well liqbase has been hacked on by me for the last 18months | 05:31 |
| lcuk | it works on 810 | 05:31 |
| |R | oh ok :) | 05:32 |
| zerojay | If it had anything to do with Harmattan, he'd probably already be working for Nokia. | 05:32 |
| |R | hehe | 05:32 |
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| zerojay | Because if he wasn't - and I'm someone that doesn't even use or understand liq* - I would be pissed. | 05:33 |
| lcuk | the comparisons with harmattan are new tho | 05:33 |
| |R | :) | 05:33 |
| lcuk | why zero | 05:33 |
| lcuk | if nokia wanted to use my toy engine to make it, they are just as free as you or anyone else | 05:34 |
| lcuk | its open source | 05:34 |
| zerojay | lcuk: Because I think your hard work, whether I understand/use it or not personally, should be rewarded if it was going to be used in Harmattan. | 05:34 |
| lcuk | the engine can be tailored to anything | 05:34 |
| lcuk | ive got my own thoughts on what i want to do with it | 05:34 |
| |R | btw, is imagemagick ported to to maemo5 extra? | 05:34 |
| zerojay | And yes, I know it's open and anyone can do whatever they want... but it just would make sense if they would hire you if they did. | 05:35 |
| |R | s/to to/to/ | 05:35 |
| infobot | |R meant: btw, is imagemagick ported to maemo5 extra? | 05:35 |
| zerojay | JR: I haven't seen it there yet, no. | 05:35 |
| |R | ok | 05:35 |
| |R | Guess i'll have to package it when i get my n900 somewhere around 2012 :P | 05:36 |
| |R | (yes yes, within 2 weeks right? ;) | 05:36 |
| lcuk | zerojay, if i worked for nokia, it would not be on liqbase itself. | 05:37 |
| zerojay | lcuk: Well, that would be up to them, wouldn't it? :) | 05:38 |
| lcuk | not like you are thinking anyway | 05:38 |
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| * lcuk would love to get involved in the camera/direct imaging side of things :) | 05:39 | |
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| zerojay | bs_BS (Bosnian, as spoken in Bahamas) <-- WHA? People in the Bahamas speak... Bosnian? wtf. | 06:03 |
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| |R | zerojay: you now have a french translation | 06:06 |
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| zerojay | Thanks. :) | 06:07 |
| zerojay | Can I get some Suomi pride up in this? WHERE YOU AT, .fi?!? - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33200 | 06:08 |
| |R | uhm 2 sec, correcting something ;) | 06:08 |
| zerojay | No prob. | 06:08 |
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| |R | ok fixed | 06:12 |
| |R | if you want to make a fr(qc) one use this one and if you want an fr(fr) one use s/Fureteur/Navigateur/g | 06:12 |
| |R | though, they will get it anyway ;) | 06:13 |
| zerojay | Yeah, sounds right to me. | 06:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | If anybody needs an Extras product, feel free to poke me. | 06:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Free bug with every new product! ;) | 06:17 |
| |R | haha :) | 06:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, ian_at_synth, by the way. | 06:17 |
| ian_at_synth | hi all | 06:17 |
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| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Dunno if my packages would apply... lol | 06:18 |
| |R | uhm have they actually removed vi from busybox? | 06:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | |R, not on the device. | 06:19 |
| |R | ah ok, someone said it didn't work on the vim/emacs thread | 06:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | |R, dunno about the SDK. | 06:19 |
| Firebird | what the heck is maemoproject/majorcomplete | 06:19 |
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| |R | Firebird : an awkward contest? | 06:20 |
| |R | (which hopefully doesn't check when the input was made as long as the time sent is right :P) | 06:20 |
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| Firebird | its not announced anywhere and frankly looks a bit sketchy | 06:21 |
| |R | Maybe it's Android/WinMo trying to find who to kill | 06:21 |
| |R | or somethin... ;) | 06:21 |
| zerojay | Heh... got someone looking at getting around the PS3 controller limitation which only allows pairing over USB. :) | 06:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, it wouldn't. There's no need to be so self-centered. :D | 06:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, oooh. | 06:26 |
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| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Huh? | 06:26 |
| zerojay | Oh. lol | 06:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Man that is one ugly bastard: http://i.afterdawn.com/storage/pictures/news/normal_MotorolaDroid-4.jpg | 06:28 |
| |R | but but ... it has gold on the button! | 06:28 |
| |R | :P | 06:28 |
| zerojay | Ew, what is that, a d-pad or an exposed piece of copper? | 06:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Looks like it's the place to electrocute yourself for buying a Motorola Android phone from Verizon. | 06:29 |
| |R | as a person raised on an 8-bit NES, i demend every D-Pad to be on the left! ;) | 06:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That keyboard looks awful. | 06:29 |
| |R | but they have anti iPhone ads, so people like it, cause... it's "so counter culture" yo ;) | 06:30 |
| |R | haha | 06:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | The key symbols look awful. | 06:30 |
| zerojay | They pissed away a pretty good marketing video on that. | 06:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's like those horrifying WinXP MIDs. | 06:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | At least Nokia can put pretty characters on their keyboards. | 06:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That looks like something out of the mid-90s. | 06:31 |
| lcuk | looks pretty clean to me, wonder how the keyboard feels | 06:32 |
| lcuk | they have space for a blank key! | 06:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There's no accounting for taste. . . . | 06:37 |
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| lcuk | lol GeneralAntilles | 06:38 |
| lcuk | i know i have no style sense | 06:38 |
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| |R | Everyone is suggesting portrait mode for apps on the brainstorm list... but ... is the default picture viewer even able to rotate images !? | 07:01 |
| lcuk | yeah | 07:01 |
| |R | good :) | 07:02 |
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| |R | Was the kernel patched in maemo 5 for the < 2.6.30.2 kernel root exploit on every platform? | 07:58 |
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| RST38h | Hmmm...Does Droid really show the eye of Sauron on startup? Whose idea that was? | 08:08 |
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| thux | morning | 08:18 |
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| dmj7261 | How fast are file transfers to the n900? | 08:20 |
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| RST38h | Provision will allow Anglicans to join Catholic Church while maintaining identity, traditions. | 08:26 |
| RST38h | (did they ask the Anglicans?) | 08:26 |
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| tigert | hmm | 08:42 |
| * tigert wonders if anyone has built imagemagick and pythonmagick for fremantle | 08:43 | |
| tigert | http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/transform/#polaroid | 08:43 |
| tigert | this would be a nice engine for a nice quik-photo-effect app | 08:44 |
| ali12341 | imagemagick is kinda old and crappy | 08:46 |
| ali12341 | if you want to process images in python, use PIL | 08:46 |
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| luke-jr | ali12341: AFAIK imagemagick is maintained and still irreplacable | 08:54 |
| luke-jr | just because you don't need it doesn't mean nobody else does | 08:54 |
| ali12341 | the same could be said of cobol | 08:54 |
| ali12341 | doesn't mean it's a good idea to write new programs in it | 08:54 |
| luke-jr | ali12341: cobol is neither maintained (AFAIK) nor irreplacable | 08:56 |
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| tekojo | Morning _marcell | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | morning tekojo, _marcell_ | 09:01 |
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| _marcell_ | Stskeeps: hi | 09:01 |
| tekojo | Morning Stskeeps up early! | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | tekojo: and no coffee yet :( | 09:02 |
| * Stskeeps sleepwalks to the kitchen | 09:02 | |
| tekojo | Oh, irc before coffee, I can't do that | 09:03 |
| _marcell_ | me neither :) | 09:04 |
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| RST38h | Morning, Sts, tekojo | 09:06 |
| tekojo | Morning RST38h | 09:06 |
| RST38h | How are things in the Maemoland? | 09:06 |
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| _marcell_ | murrayc: how are the 401s doing today? (re bug 5622) | 09:12 |
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| tekojo | _marcell_ have you changed the setting back from direct number pointing? | 09:13 |
| _marcell_ | tekojo: yesterday we switched it together to direct and then back because you said that fds fixed something. apparently the fix did not work because 3 hours later x-fade contacted me that many more people are affected, so it is back to direct number atm | 09:15 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: speaking of open handhelds, saw that someone got a kernel going on meizu m8, s3c6410? | 09:16 |
| luke-jr | Meizu M8 = ? | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | google it | 09:17 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: just looking at another s3c6410 phone-- http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1988&c=samsung_gt-b7620_giorgio_armani | 09:17 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: pdadb sez that Meizu M8 doesn't exist until March 2010 | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | well how on earth does normal hackers have it then.. | 09:18 |
| luke-jr | there's a release miniOne variant apparently | 09:18 |
| luke-jr | it's s3c6410? | 09:18 |
| luke-jr | pdadb doesn't know this | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | pdadb is obviously not all-knowing | 09:19 |
| luke-jr | no kb, useless | 09:19 |
| tekojo | _marcell_ yes, now fds is telling that it's ok again, evening was some problem with dns | 09:19 |
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| _marcell_ | tekojo: well, I will switch it back then, ping me/reopen the bug if there are problems | 09:20 |
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| tekojo | _marcell_ certainly, thanks! | 09:20 |
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| murrayc | _marcell_: I just tried an apt-get update and it's still there: 401 Unauthorized [IP: 92.122.212.35 80] | 09:24 |
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| tekojo | murrayc can you tell the exact time? | 09:26 |
| murrayc | 5 minutes ago. | 09:26 |
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| murrayc | tekojo: Doing it again right now worked, but that's what happened last time. | 09:27 |
| murrayc | tekojo: And doing it once more did not work: 401 Unauthorized [IP: 92.122.212.80 80] | 09:27 |
| tekojo | murrayc can your computer make up it's mind :-) | 09:27 |
| murrayc | I guess it's akamai's many servers having separate configurations. | 09:28 |
| tekojo | They should replicate as soon as there is a change... so murrayc can you ask someone in your office to try in say ten minutes? | 09:28 |
| murrayc | OK. | 09:30 |
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| tekojo | _marcell_ back to ip number, stskeeps can reproduce in a different location | 09:41 |
| _marcell_ | tekojo: ok | 09:42 |
| _marcell_ | tekojo: done | 09:42 |
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| liri | hey guys | 09:49 |
| liri | the n810 got back to function after I took out the sd card and booted | 09:49 |
| liri | then I turned it off, inserted the sd card and turned on again, it booted off successfuly | 09:49 |
| liri | no idea what was wrong except that it had something to do with the sd card obviously | 09:49 |
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| murrayc | tekojo: It's working repeatedly now, though I don't know how much that tells us. | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | worksforme too | 10:24 |
| tekojo | murrayc Stskeeps works because we are using the direct ip number again | 10:26 |
| murrayc | So no akamai? | 10:26 |
| tekojo | something bad in the dns at the file delivery system | 10:26 |
| tekojo | murrayc akamai is there, but we are talking directly to the export control server because the dns is somehow missing it | 10:28 |
| murrayc | OK. Thanks for taking care of it. | 10:28 |
| tekojo | murrayc, well it's a workaround, not fixed :-) | 10:29 |
| X-Fade | tekojo: users don't care ;) As long as it works.. | 10:29 |
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| tekojo | X-Fade we do, because the workaround will blow up some nice day. Most likely on the day when everyone is on vacation :-) | 10:30 |
| X-Fade | tekojo: Sure, but you know I have a patch waiting for that ;) | 10:30 |
| tekojo | Yep, and anyway we need to do something about that real soon now. Akamai is nice, but the export thingy is not | 10:31 |
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| Passeli | does maemo 5 support hardware accelerated OpenVG ? | 10:34 |
| Corsac | yes | 10:34 |
| Passeli | ok, thanks | 10:35 |
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| Stskeeps | VG? really? :P | 10:37 |
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| vesa | is there a vlc-plugin for the n900 browser? getting a popup saying 'error: no playlist! This might be because you don't have vlc-plugin installed' | 10:39 |
| wazd_ | heya maemo | 10:39 |
| vesa | can't find one via the app manager atleast | 10:39 |
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| X-Fade | vesa: probably a javascript error with that text. | 10:39 |
| X-Fade | vesa: created by the site itself. | 10:40 |
| vesa | hmm, could be. maybe i should find out what codec/stuff that site uses (recorded tv-shows, online viewing of your own recorded programmes) | 10:40 |
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| vesa | yeah it's a javascript error, getting same with chrome on my pc | 10:43 |
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| mgedmin | so, I kept saying to myself "I will not connect to IRC this morning, not until I have at least done some work" | 10:45 |
| mgedmin | and then, in a moment of absent-mindness, well, here I am | 10:45 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | addiction is a bitch, yeah | 10:47 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: screen. | 10:48 |
| RST38h | and good morning, btw | 10:48 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: ping | 10:48 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: pong | 10:48 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Known issue: Tennix shows up in the QA queue as 1.0-2 and again later as 1.0-5? | 10:49 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Hmm crap, I really need to debug that. It should not do that ;) | 10:50 |
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| tekojo | X-Fade looks like Hermes is doing it too... 0.0.6 and 0.1.0 | 10:51 |
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| X-Fade | tekojo: At least there is a pattern then ;) | 10:52 |
| Jaffa | I was a good QA tester this morning, and wanted to test the oldest; but the version the app mgr wanted to install wasn't the one I was expecting :) | 10:52 |
| tekojo | And as far as I can see it started just a small while ago (but then again I'm inside the bloody firewall that caches things without asking) | 10:52 |
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| auenf | been meaning to join this channel for years... | 10:56 |
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| rmt | moving house! Back online next week! Take care, al! | 10:57 |
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| cosmo | GeneralAntilles: pong | 10:57 |
| X-Fade | auenf: Glad you finally did ;) | 10:57 |
| Jaffa | auenf: welcome :) | 10:58 |
| Jaffa | It's a friendly place. Mostly. | 10:59 |
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| mgedmin | shh! don't scare him/her | 11:04 |
| timeless_mbp | hi mgedmin | 11:04 |
| timeless_mbp | so... | 11:04 |
| mgedmin | hi, timeless | 11:04 |
| timeless_mbp | gettext.py sucks :) | 11:04 |
| timeless_mbp | http://bugs.python.org/issue1448060 | 11:05 |
| timeless_mbp | and friends | 11:05 |
| lbt_ | lcuk: ping | 11:05 |
| lbt_ | lcuk: PING | 11:05 |
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| mgedmin | timeless_mbp: which file triggered it? | 11:07 |
| timeless_mbp | i have 3 mo files that triggered similar errors | 11:07 |
| timeless_mbp | that patch fixed 1 of them | 11:07 |
| mgedmin | I ran it on my n900 and it processed all the files, except for one Taiwanese translation that triggered a "unknown encoding" error | 11:07 |
| timeless_mbp | wow | 11:07 |
| timeless_mbp | i used Mer | 11:07 |
| lbt_ | timeless_mbp: YAY!!! | 11:08 |
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| lbt_ | timeless_mbp: (know you see we need more help!) | 11:09 |
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| hrw | morning | 11:12 |
| auenf | so, the forum thread about 'senior' users depending on when they signed up for itt, or when they first got their device | 11:13 |
| auenf | does my 7710 count :P | 11:13 |
| mgedmin | does it run maemo? ;) | 11:14 |
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| auenf | the ui was the initial influence for maemo :P | 11:15 |
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| X-Fade | auenf: hildon is much older | 11:15 |
| auenf | ui design i should say | 11:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: so... did you actually add a thread for the parsing? | 11:22 |
| mgedmin | nope | 11:22 |
| mgedmin | wasn't sure why you wanted a thread | 11:22 |
| mgedmin | to parse while the very first ui screen is active? | 11:22 |
| timeless_mbp | yep | 11:22 |
| timeless_mbp | users are slow | 11:22 |
| mgedmin | that haves off 3 seconds off the 60 second parse time | 11:23 |
| mgedmin | didn't seem worth the effort | 11:23 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 11:23 | |
| mgedmin | now caching the parsed translations so it starts up instantly the next time you run it, that would be worth it | 11:23 |
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| mgedmin | would need an extra menu item 'build missing translations' to discover new or updated .mo files | 11:23 |
| timeless_mbp | the problem w/ that is one needs to cache the datestamps | 11:23 |
| timeless_mbp | and figure out how to invalidate bits | 11:24 |
| mgedmin | that's not a problem, that's a solution ;) | 11:24 |
| mgedmin | hm, actually okay, maybe hm | 11:24 |
| mgedmin | then I had plan B: sqlite | 11:24 |
| Jaffa | auenf: I don't think having a 7710 is something to shout about | 11:24 |
| mgedmin | DELETE FROM translations WHERE filename = 'file_that_was_updated.mo'; | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | the sqlite approach seems like a reasonable winner | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | that'd probably make it easier to handle plurals too | 11:26 |
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| * mgedmin is dreaming of a full hildon 2.whateveristhelatestversion ui | 11:28 | |
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| suihkulokki | Jaffa: 7710 was not that bad, but 7700 was quite epic | 11:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: i'm going to work w/ qwerty12_N810 to get zenity improved to be more fingerable on our devices | 11:31 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd rather not spend time worrying about the ui | 11:32 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: just get yourself a mac. | 11:32 |
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| RST38h | Interesting: http://2dboy.com/2009/10/19/birthday-sale-results/ | 11:36 |
| RST38h | Hello, javis | 11:36 |
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| javispedro | moo | 11:37 |
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| RST38h | http://2dboy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/histogram.png | 11:37 |
| auenf | Jaffa, 7710 is a landscape only smartphone | 11:38 |
| auenf | a good case in point that portrait mode is overrated :P | 11:38 |
| RST38h | How is it a good case in point? | 11:38 |
| auenf | i havent used it for over 2 years now either | 11:38 |
| * RST38h does not see 7710 being widely used and never has | 11:39 | |
| auenf | and its still out specs the original iphone | 11:39 |
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| javispedro | wtf did quim just do to sdl? | 11:58 |
| mgedmin | rebuild it with opengl enabled? | 11:58 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: 733t hacker? | 11:58 |
| javispedro | what for? there's no opengl | 11:58 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: well, him or whoever uploaded new SDL. | 11:59 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: I'm pretty sure that Quim doesn't touch code ;) | 11:59 |
| javispedro | yeah :) | 11:59 |
| javispedro | one sdl bug fixed and it's mostly useless unless they added egl support to sdl 1.2 *sigh* | 12:00 |
| javispedro | sorry, I'm missing something? or did Nokia just do a greatly stupid thing? | 12:02 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Why does it matter? | 12:02 |
| javispedro | because the only thing putting --enable-video-opengl is going to do is enlarge the binary. | 12:03 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: ok, but that is hardly breaking ;) | 12:03 |
| Jaffa | But there's no point testing it if it's not going to work. | 12:04 |
| mgedmin | see http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-October/021561.html | 12:04 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: I was confused too. | 12:04 |
| javispedro | either quim is missing an important quote ("ah, we added EGL support too") or this does not make any sense. | 12:05 |
| X-Fade | Does it do translation perhaps? :) | 12:05 |
| javispedro | dunno. | 12:05 |
| javispedro | lol | 12:05 |
| mgedmin | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4177 tells the story | 12:06 |
| mgedmin | people tried it in the SDK, it worked, they filed a bug | 12:06 |
| X-Fade | Seems that people are confused. | 12:06 |
| mgedmin | then they tried it on the device and hit a wall: egl != gl | 12:06 |
| X-Fade | OpenGL != Opengles. | 12:06 |
| javispedro | of course GLX works in the SDK, it just forwards to host GLX. | 12:06 |
| mgedmin | so somebody who knows these things go to that bug and gently educate everyone | 12:07 |
| * javispedro looks sdl source just in case | 12:07 | |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: done ;) | 12:07 |
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| javispedro | X-Fade, ta | 12:09 |
| RST38h | better mention ogles though or there will be shitstorm | 12:09 |
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| javispedro | I will mention Firebird's (feel pinged, btw!) port. | 12:10 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Nah, I like people to show how much they know ;) | 12:10 |
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| RST38h | this is not what they'll show though... | 12:10 |
| javispedro | ~seen Firebird | 12:11 |
| infobot | firebird <n=Firebird@pool-138-88-201-253.res.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5h 50m 31s ago, saying: 'its not announced anywhere and frankly looks a bit sketchy'. | 12:11 |
| epa_ | anyone else feeling that browsing the calendar (Day view) to prev/next is too slow? | 12:12 |
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| mgedmin | browsing the calendar is unpleasant enough that I never do it | 12:12 |
| mgedmin | therefore I never noticed slowness | 12:12 |
| epa_ | seems that day can be switched with finger left to right or vice versa and also with cursor keys in keyboard | 12:12 |
| epa_ | mgedmin: I've got similar feelings now | 12:13 |
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| mgedmin | yes, the "mouse gestures" feel weird and strange without visual feedback | 12:13 |
| mgedmin | my theory is that nokia is running a user interface experiment | 12:13 |
| javispedro | ouch, browsing calendar with finger gestures? :( | 12:13 |
| epa_ | mgedmin: do you know of any calendar software that would be better? | 12:13 |
| lbt_ | gpe is nice | 12:13 |
| * timeless_mbp frowns | 12:13 | |
| mgedmin | different apps have different uis, and they wait and see which ones people like and which ones they hate | 12:13 |
| X-Fade | Calendar doesn't really feel like the other Fremantle apps | 12:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: can you walk me through using python -d? :) | 12:14 |
| mgedmin | what's python -d? | 12:14 |
| lbt_ | not used on 900 | 12:14 |
| epa_ | javispedro: no I just select the first day of the week and then browse onwards a bit | 12:14 |
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| epa_ | javispedro: changing a day takes ~2 seconds | 12:14 |
| mgedmin | timeless: what are you trying to do? | 12:14 |
| javispedro | oh, I hoped the calendar was usable at least. | 12:14 |
| timeless_mbp | debug mercurial | 12:15 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: usable enough for me at lest. | 12:15 |
| mgedmin | debug the python syntax parser? | 12:15 |
| epa_ | javispedro: it is usable IMO, but plenty of room for improvement | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | i see where it's doing something i don't like | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | but i don't know what the data structures look like | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, clearly i don't want python -d | 12:16 |
| mgedmin | typical python debugging is like this: http://docs.python.org/library/pdb.html | 12:16 |
| mgedmin | well, actually, more typical is edit the source of the program and insert a breakpoint by doing 'import pdb; pdb.set_trace()' where you want it | 12:17 |
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| * epa_ will try GPE. | 12:20 | |
| epa_ | thanks | 12:20 |
| timeless_mbp | ok | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | how do i step along an expansion? | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | or is it not worth it? | 12:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'm looking at: | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | revs = [other.lookup(rev) for rev in revs] | 12:23 |
| hrw | ok, another stupid question: someone got n900 usb working as host? | 12:24 |
| Jaffa | hrw: It's not possible due to h/w limitiations necessitated by USB charging | 12:25 |
| epa_ | jaffa: iirc someone at conference said it was done. | 12:25 |
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| epa_ | but since I don't have it working can't wouch for it. | 12:25 |
| X-Fade | probably switching it on in software is possible, supplying power externally? | 12:25 |
| epa_ | yes | 12:26 |
| Jaffa | See the messages from Igor Stoppa et al on both tmo and maemo-developers. | 12:26 |
| epa_ | injector was mentioned in the conversation | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp | igor contributes too much | 12:26 |
| mgedmin | timeless_mbp: either n or s might do it | 12:27 |
| mgedmin | I do most of my debugging with print statements | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp | how do i get a list of props/methods of an object? | 12:27 |
| javispedro | ok, basically, unless radical changes to SDL source from the previous fremantle SDL version, the "new" SDL will just print "Failed loading libGL.so" then crash since screen wil be NULL. | 12:28 |
| epa_ | timeless_mbp: in python? | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 12:28 |
| wazd_ | http://my-symbian.com/other/grafika/scr10.jpg <- eeek | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: sounds good | 12:29 |
| epa_ | dir(obj) | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_: gotta love em n900's | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | that's gmail at the top | 12:29 |
| javispedro | or either fallback silently to XShm again if SDL_OPENGL not passed. | 12:29 |
| X-Fade | wazd_: That is nothing. | 12:30 |
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| X-Fade | wazd_: It can actually scroll for a few screen heights easily ;) | 12:30 |
| javispedro | wazd_: more pretty than current diablo task switcher. | 12:31 |
| javispedro | at least it has 4 columns. | 12:31 |
| wazd_ | X-Fade: confess, you're not a human :) | 12:32 |
| X-Fade | wazd_: Every conversation can open a new window :) | 12:32 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:38 |
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| javispedro | moo lardman | 12:39 |
| sarower | Hello all, Good evening | 12:39 |
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| javispedro | or morning ;) | 12:39 |
| sarower | Though i have included the header properly, it is showing error using.. "GtkWidget *text1 = gtk_text_new(NULL,NULL);" | 12:39 |
| lardman | hmm, good to see Tracker doens't classify .mp4 as video..... | 12:40 |
| sarower | Compilation error!!! | 12:40 |
| sarower | Any help? | 12:40 |
| sarower | Error: error: 'gtk_text_new' was not declared in this scope | 12:40 |
| javispedro | you didn't paste the error, but I guess | 12:40 |
| javispedro | . | 12:40 |
| javispedro | #include <gtk/gtk.h> | 12:40 |
| javispedro | on top | 12:40 |
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| sarower | but it does not work too | 12:40 |
| lardman | pastebin the file | 12:41 |
| javispedro | gtk_text_new is deprecated AFAIK. | 12:41 |
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| sarower | javispedro: then what should be done? | 12:41 |
| javispedro | sarower: multiline or single line text field? | 12:41 |
| sarower | javispedro: single line | 12:42 |
| javispedro | GtkWidget *text1 = GTK_WIDGET(gtk_entry_new()); | 12:42 |
| javispedro | sarower, and I also suggest you search for a Gtk+ tutorial and follow it :) | 12:42 |
| sarower | javispedro: yes I can use it but i want something like label | 12:43 |
| javispedro | something like label? | 12:43 |
| sarower | javispedro: On the table if i attach a label it is not showing | 12:43 |
| javispedro | oh, tables is a bigger problem then. | 12:43 |
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| sarower | javispedro: just a label beside text entry field! | 12:43 |
| javispedro | sarower: HildonCaption | 12:44 |
| sarower | javispedro: Can i attach a caption in the table | 12:44 |
| sarower | javispedro: GtkTable! | 12:44 |
| javispedro | a GtkTable is a layout. | 12:45 |
| javispedro | a. | 12:45 |
| javispedro | well, I don't know if a GtkTable is the best tool for the job. I'd use HildonCaption and size groups. | 12:45 |
| RST38h | javis <-- apparently not aware of the previous channel history | 12:45 |
| sarower | javispedro: Ok let me check that | 12:46 |
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| sarower | javispedro: Actuallu I am using the interface like: Dialog->Table->Image-> Text field, label etc.. | 12:46 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: no, I?m not aware, so please correct me If I'm misguiding him | 12:48 |
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| hrw | other thing - someone got confirmation from nokia forum for n900 discount? | 13:00 |
| RST38h | not yet | 13:00 |
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| javispedro | me neither, and the whole "pro" forum was down yesterday. | 13:02 |
| javispedro | probably used to 10 people hitting it a day it imploded under the load of 500 maemians banging it. | 13:02 |
| jeremiah | Oh! I'm wearing a cloak! | 13:03 |
| jeremiah | Or is it a cape? | 13:03 |
| RST38h | "A University of Colorado scientist has claimed that magpies hold "funerals" for fallen friends." | 13:03 |
| jeremiah | Oh the humanity. | 13:03 |
| jeremiah | wait. | 13:03 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Money well spent ;) | 13:03 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: It is a trenchcoat, and the sticking thing is a gun. | 13:03 |
| RST38h | DON'T LET THEM TAKE YOU ALIVE | 13:04 |
| jeremiah | heh | 13:04 |
| hrw | heh..... | 13:04 |
| javispedro | hehe. | 13:04 |
| hrw | 256MB /, 2GB /opt - who invented that.... | 13:04 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Better like that than bombing another hapless bunch of towelheads | 13:04 |
| * hrw wants rootfs on that 32GB internal.. | 13:05 | |
| X-Fade | hrw: No you don't. | 13:05 |
| javispedro | the reasons have been pointed many times, and a proper solution hasn't been found. | 13:05 |
| X-Fade | hrw: A lot slower. | 13:05 |
| javispedro | thus, stuck with that hack. | 13:05 |
| X-Fade | hrw: Parts of it, may be ;) | 13:05 |
| hrw | crap | 13:06 |
| hrw | X-Fade: so looks like best way is to buy really fast microsd for rootfs? | 13:06 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: OTOH, i don't think the onenand - emmc speed diff is any bigger than it was on n810 already. | 13:06 |
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| hrw | or use lot of symlinks to get rid of "omg / is full again"? | 13:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | hrw, does such a beast exist? ;) | 13:06 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Don't know, but the difference is very noticeable. | 13:06 |
| cotigao | hi, does maemo use arm audio codecs for n900? | 13:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I think the oneNANDA pulls away with UBIFS, though. | 13:07 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: did not checked - I just have few small ones + 1x8gb in my phone | 13:07 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: never needed tocheck their speed | 13:07 |
| hrw | btw - / is on jffs2 or ubifs? | 13:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | UBIFS | 13:08 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: i read some benchmarks about UBIFS / JFFS2. UBIFS was a bit slower while reading actually. | 13:08 |
| javispedro | (much faster when writing iirc) | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | and jffs takes ages to mount | 13:08 |
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| hrw | GeneralAntilles: uf. at least one good news | 13:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw, the storage arrangement isn't perfect but it shouldn't be something most people have to worry about. | 13:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is what matters in the end. | 13:09 |
| javispedro | we need 32 GiB OneNAND ;) | 13:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, and I want a dual-1GHz OMAP4. | 13:09 |
| javispedro | yes! with 48h battery life! | 13:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, 128! | 13:09 |
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| hrw | GeneralAntilles: or u8500 instead of omap4 | 13:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw, I'm a TI fan. | 13:11 |
| lardman | can people see this page?: http://share.ovi.com/album/lardman.MaemoSummit2009 | 13:11 |
| javispedro | I can.. | 13:12 |
| adeus | yes | 13:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw, it's hard to discount TI's open source movement over the past few years. | 13:12 |
| lardman | good good | 13:12 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: In that case, I commend you on your good choice in music artists | 13:12 |
| lardman | thanks chaps | 13:12 |
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| javispedro | oh, ovi maps works in firefox now. | 13:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now if only it worked in Maemo. :roll: | 13:13 |
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| javispedro | well, 3d is still windows only :( | 13:14 |
| ensi | right i have this qt app on maemo 5 and i stuck a lineEdit in the mainwindow | 13:14 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: it works in firefox? | 13:14 |
| ensi | however it cannot get focus and i cannot input any text into it | 13:14 |
| ensi | it works fine in scratchbox but not on the device | 13:14 |
| javispedro | timeless: it puts itself in "google maps"-like 2d javascript mode. | 13:15 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: did it offer a plugin | 13:15 |
| javispedro | it does if I click on 3d | 13:15 |
| javispedro | and then proceeds to say I can go to hell for not having Windows. | 13:15 |
| timeless_mbp | does it install? | 13:15 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, you can also go that way if you use ff3.6+ | 13:15 |
| timeless_mbp | the idiots found an obsolete plugin api (obsoleted before ff1.0) and used it | 13:16 |
| javispedro | but the plugin will be a windows binary either way. | 13:16 |
| timeless_mbp | we have sources ;-) | 13:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | but you don't want them | 13:16 |
| javispedro | this is the kind of webapp that may benefit from webgl or something like that. | 13:17 |
| * timeless_mbp kicks them | 13:17 | |
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| javispedro | the rotation feature is also disabled. thank god, rotating the bitmap in js would have killed this machine. | 13:18 |
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| * timeless_mbp chuckles | 13:18 | |
| timeless_mbp | sadly the rotation feature works better in maemo5 than dragging | 13:18 |
| timeless_mbp | for some reason they intentionally avoid loading other portions of the map while you're dragging | 13:19 |
| timeless_mbp | .... | 13:19 |
| javispedro | the map is the usual navteq quality. good on big cities awful outside them. | 13:19 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 13:19 | |
| timeless_mbp | does Kiev count as a big city? | 13:20 |
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| javispedro | dunno, it varies from country to country. | 13:20 |
| javispedro | on my birth place according to navteq all streets share the same name. | 13:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wow, Newegg's price is below Amazon's on the N900. | 13:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Free shipping, too. | 13:20 |
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| hrw | ok, next thing: how fast is n900 in usb-storage mode? | 13:22 |
| ifreq | GeneralAntilles: * Free shipping not available to AK, HI and PR. what do those mean? | 13:23 |
| X-Fade | hrw: > 10MB/s read is what I've seen. | 13:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | ifreq, Alaska Hawaii, Puerto Rico. | 13:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | ifreq, because UPS Ground to Alaska costs about $50. ;) | 13:24 |
| ifreq | GeneralAntilles: heh okay :) | 13:24 |
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| javispedro | I predict the 256MiB rootfs will come back to bite the N900 someday. | 13:29 |
| javispedro | if it's ever solved now, of course :D | 13:30 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: FIXED in harmattan? :) | 13:30 |
| javispedro | in harmattan HARDWARE, which worries me :( | 13:30 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: For us it makes no difference. | 13:31 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: You can easily put a symlink somewhere to get more space. | 13:31 |
| javispedro | probably. | 13:31 |
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| javispedro | A public backslash with the N900 won't help with the N920 sales. | 13:31 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Regular users won't notice it either. | 13:32 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: They will get apps from Nokia, which are optified and best case from Extras. | 13:32 |
| X-Fade | Where we will make sure big apps are optified too. | 13:32 |
| hrw | you can also move from onenand to card with rootfs | 13:32 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: hopefully. But that's what I mean that it may some day come back; something will be found. | 13:32 |
| javispedro | prediction just :) | 13:33 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Well, it already has ;) That is why we have optification in the first plac. | 13:33 |
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| javispedro | well, hopefully all goes well. | 13:33 |
| javispedro | btw, does anyone know the history behind /var/lib/install? | 13:33 |
| javispedro | I've seen it mentioned a few times but I wasn't here by then. | 13:34 |
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| javispedro | (preferably something I can read ;) ) | 13:34 |
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| javispedro | I mean, why? | 13:34 |
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| zerojay | X-Fade: Thanks for the additions to the packages interface. | 13:49 |
| X-Fade | zerojay: more coming up ;) | 13:50 |
| zerojay | Hiding i386 version of packages? :) | 13:50 |
| X-Fade | zerojay: Well, you should not see them if you are using the correct queue url. | 13:51 |
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| X-Fade | mikkov_: ping? | 13:52 |
| zerojay | X-Fade: I am, but people get confused from time ot time. | 13:53 |
| X-Fade | zerojay: Yeah, I'm thinking of removing the voting part from the i386 pages. | 13:53 |
| zerojay | X-Fade: That would be a big help. | 13:54 |
| javispedro | I think the voting part and packages interface should separate. | 13:54 |
| javispedro | from a user POV. | 13:54 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: That would give twice as many urls to get lost in ;) | 13:55 |
| zerojay | Would be nice to be able to use that PackageRate program to actually vote on packages as well. | 13:55 |
| javispedro | probably, but the voting one could be as simple as m.o/qa/<packagename> | 13:55 |
| javispedro | m.o/qa/<packagename>/<version> maybe | 13:56 |
| javispedro | completely ignoring that <packagename> is avail for 300 archs. | 13:56 |
| javispedro | or that a new version is in extras-devel, or whatever. | 13:56 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Well, you don't see that in the QA queue. | 13:57 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Only if you are curious and click through ;) | 13:57 |
| javispedro | I still click on a package and go to the package "overview" | 13:57 |
| javispedro | I have to click on the version column to go to the "voting" page. | 13:57 |
| javispedro | and then (thinking like a user) I get confused with all those actions and imports, and armel and x86, and... | 13:58 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Yeah, that is something I might change. | 13:58 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: For QA queue to only link to the instance page. | 13:58 |
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| javispedro | fine :) | 13:59 |
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| mikkov__ | X-Fade, hi | 13:59 |
| X-Fade | mikkov__: Can you ping me if/when you receive a 'Promotion unlock notification' ? | 14:00 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Should I file bugs with respect to the current promotion interface? | 14:01 |
| mikkov__ | X-Fade: ok | 14:02 |
| lcuk | zerojay, packagerate? | 14:02 |
| zerojay | lcuk: Some program in extras-devel. | 14:03 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Sure | 14:05 |
| RST38h | A'ok | 14:05 |
| lcuk | zerojay, does it do what it says on the tin? | 14:06 |
| javispedro | probably not, I remember it being on diablo already. | 14:07 |
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| lcuk | shame | 14:07 |
| * lcuk installs it anyway | 14:09 | |
| javispedro | wow, amemo fansites are still popping up | 14:09 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: You have a race condition in your keyboard ;) | 14:10 |
| javispedro | amemo, interesting typo. | 14:10 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: actually, yes. I think this is due to my borking of hildon-input-method. | 14:10 |
| javispedro | sometimes it happens, quite noticeable on the browser. | 14:10 |
| javispedro | but I am on my desktop right now ;) lol | 14:11 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: i didn't realise yesterday you were talking about the new mac line | 14:12 |
| RST38h | X-Fade, javispedro: Please see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5666 and comment | 14:12 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: If you wish, I can give you the Packrat source code and help integrating it | 14:13 |
| javispedro | RST38h: you could be a little more.. eh.. "concrete" in your reports. | 14:13 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: It makes repository browsing order of magnitude easier | 14:13 |
| RST38h | javispedro: This is not concrete? | 14:13 |
| javispedro | in your bug subjects at least. | 14:13 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: There will be an alternative at some point. | 14:13 |
| RST38h | javispedro; Yea, I guess the subject can be considered imprecise, fixing it | 14:13 |
| RST38h | Done | 14:14 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Let us make this point like "right now", shall we? :) | 14:14 |
| * javispedro hopes he didn't put "Extras QA voting interfaces makes my eyes bleed" | 14:14 | |
| javispedro | ah, you didn't :D | 14:14 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: 'cause multiple people are already complaining on t.m.o and on the Net that "Fremantle lacks apps" | 14:15 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Do you really think this bug will get another response than 'INVALID' | 14:15 |
| javispedro | on the other side, I think there's quite a bit of room for improvement in the QA interface (NOT the packages interface! IMHO) | 14:15 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: No. But I will get satisfaction out of filing a bug report for an obvious problem acknowledged by a lot of people and having it (predictably) shut down because the people responsible cannot be bothered | 14:15 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: I just like the irony, if you get my drift... | 14:16 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: I hope he did hope for another response than INVALID, elsehow, I don't see why he went through the trouble of writing it down | 14:16 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: that being said, flaming X-Fade isn't going to make the problem go away | 14:17 |
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| X-Fade | Constructive suggestions about small parts will help a lot more. | 14:17 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: I am not even flaming yet =) | 14:18 |
| zerojay | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/classic-gaming-wallpapers/1.3-1maemo3/ - Anyone out there think they can help me out by testing it out and thumbing it up or down? Just a bunch of wallpapers, nothing too hard. | 14:18 |
| RST38h | Just voicing out concerns :) | 14:18 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Please refer to the Expected Result part of the bug tracker | 14:18 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: It lists precise, constructive suggestions | 14:18 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: you know it's part of the roadmap, and if "the powers that be" think this issue shouldn't be put forward (talking about the deadline), then it's probably because there are bigger issues at hand | 14:18 |
| mgedmin | zerojay: is this the package that creates /opt/maemo-backgrounds? | 14:18 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: just because you don't see the bigger picture doesn't mean there isn't one | 14:18 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Multiple issues in one bug. | 14:19 |
| RST38h | crash: it is quite possible there is no bigger picture. | 14:19 |
| RST38h | crash: In fact, it is the most probable case | 14:19 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: And again, if you really cared you would have been in the round-table | 14:19 |
| zerojay | mgedmin: Indeed. | 14:19 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: right, and they refuse to work on this because there's a huge conspiracy to piss you off and say "INVALID" to anything you notice | 14:19 |
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| mgedmin | zerojay: why not /opt/maemo/classic-gaming-wallpapers? | 14:20 |
| mgedmin | not that I'm insisting or anything | 14:20 |
| mgedmin | but it would be clearer | 14:20 |
| zerojay | mgedmin: Because it was the consensus that we came to when I asked around here. | 14:20 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 14:20 |
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| crashanddie | RST38h: and yes, you *are* trolling/flaming | 14:21 |
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| zerojay | But I'm open to moving it elsewhere. | 14:21 |
| javispedro | mgedmin: the idea was that all maemo-background packages would use it. | 14:21 |
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| mgedmin | the trouble of consensus is that different people assemble in different venues and come up with different consensuses :-) | 14:21 |
| mgedmin | ah, makes sense I guess | 14:21 |
| zerojay | Well I'm the only one attempting to push wallpapers into Extras, so I get to be the trailblazer. ;) | 14:21 |
| mgedmin | I had the impression from the mailing list that optification should all be under /opt/maemo/, not just /opt | 14:21 |
| javispedro | mgedmin: yeah, optification of binaries and things following the usual / structure | 14:22 |
| mgedmin | no personal preferences really | 14:22 |
| javispedro | /usr/lib, etc. | 14:22 |
| mgedmin | in which case /opt/maemo/$pkgname would've been wrong | 14:22 |
| zerojay | javispedro: Should I move it then? | 14:22 |
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| javispedro | but /opt/maemo/wallpapers would make no sense. it would've to be /opt/maemo/usr/share/backgrounds | 14:22 |
| mgedmin | and /opt/maemo/usr/share/backgrounds-or-whatever/ is a bit unwieldy | 14:22 |
| Macer | jesus. gina ravera has a huge head. | 14:23 |
| * mgedmin is rapidly becoming convinced that /opt/maemo-backgrounds isn't a bad choice | 14:23 | |
| Macer | http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1388681216/nm0712406 | 14:23 |
| javispedro | zerojay: I'd said not :) | 14:23 |
| Macer | i don't think they are like that for the picture. i think her head started to suck in the other woman's due to gravity | 14:23 |
| zerojay | Goodie. I'm lazy anyways. lol | 14:23 |
| javispedro | i forgot about the n900wallpapers stuff either way. | 14:23 |
| javispedro | what was the latest plan? | 14:24 |
| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: because? | 14:24 |
| zerojay | I've been talking with code177 and he'll follow the same convention. | 14:24 |
| javispedro | he'll manually package a set like you? | 14:24 |
| mgedmin | timeless_mbp: preexisting consensus to put wallpapers there, mostly | 14:24 |
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| mgedmin | I'm a sucker for following the herd | 14:24 |
| zerojay | No, he's writing an app interface for the site along with an API. | 14:24 |
| javispedro | zerojay: ah, good. | 14:25 |
| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: consensii ? | 14:26 |
| zerojay | I told him that his thumbnails turn out... well... smaller than my thumbnail on the n900 screen. | 14:26 |
| mgedmin | what's the posix way to find the mountpoint of the filesystem that a given file lives on? | 14:26 |
| javispedro | hm. only thing I noticed is that you use PNG, he uses JPEG. | 14:26 |
| zerojay | javispedro: Yeah, I rule. :) | 14:27 |
| mgedmin | e.g. mountpoint('/opt/maemo-backgrounds/foo.png') -> '/home' (or '/opt', I don't care) ? | 14:27 |
| mgedmin | currently I'm traversing parent dirs and calling stat() on each, until st_dev changes | 14:27 |
| javispedro | mgedmin: realpath plus parsing /proc/mounts? (first guess) | 14:27 |
| mgedmin | which gives me /opt/maemo-backgrounds as the answer | 14:27 |
| mgedmin | maybe I should try sticking realpath in there | 14:27 |
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| mgedmin | okay, that gives me /home, which is fine | 14:28 |
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| mgedmin | I wish sort had an option to skip the first few lines without sorting | 14:30 |
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| RST38h | crash: There is no huge conspiracy. It is just that nobody cares. | 14:31 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Ok, back to the matter: you really want me to file a separate bug tracker for each of the items on that list? | 14:32 |
| javispedro | mgedmin: sort does not, but tail does. | 14:32 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Or is it ok to leave them all in one bug tracker as it basically deals with a single task? | 14:32 |
| javispedro | debian used it in some init script when parsing /proc/mounts | 14:32 |
| mgedmin | see, javispedro, splitting the output with head/tail, sorting part of it, then stiching it back together is not exactly convenient for shell oneliners | 14:32 |
| javispedro | :) | 14:33 |
| javispedro | yeah, wrongly guessed your task at hand ;) | 14:33 |
| mgedmin | my task at hand: http://pastie.org/663320 | 14:33 |
| javispedro | not a bad idea. | 14:34 |
| mgedmin | mc and pc-connectivity-manager need optification | 14:34 |
| mgedmin | bluemaemo, x11vnc and fbreader could use it too | 14:34 |
| javispedro | is your rootfs full? | 14:34 |
| mgedmin | as well as osm2go | 14:34 |
| mgedmin | javispedro: not any more | 14:34 |
| javispedro | ah, I was worried that with such a few installed pkg list it would already fill your rotofs. | 14:35 |
| mgedmin | I had 3 megs free, then upgraded a couple of 20kb packages and it was full full full, then after a crash and reboot I suddenly have 26 megs free | 14:35 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: javispedro: Anything using maemo-optify will go under /opt/maemo, but if things are done manually (not using /opt/maemo), they can use /opt however they want (usually /opt/<package>) | 14:35 |
| mgedmin | Jaffa: my question was more about should; I had the incorrect impression the scheme was /opt/maemo/<package> rather than /opt/<package> | 14:35 |
| mgedmin | problem with maemo-list-packages: it doesn't show libraries that may also need to be optified | 14:36 |
| mgedmin | libzlibrary is an exception (and a misfeature of fbreader's packaging) | 14:36 |
| hrw | and in the end we will get /opt/maemo/ + /opt/total-mess/ | 14:36 |
| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: cute | 14:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | here's the line it doesn't like: | 14:36 |
| timeless_mbp | nplurals=1, plural=0; | 14:36 |
| timeless_mbp | note that the line should be nplurals=1; plural=0 | 14:36 |
| timeless_mbp | or something | 14:37 |
| mgedmin | does gettext-the-C-library like that line, timeless_mbp? | 14:37 |
| timeless_mbp | define like? | 14:37 |
| w00t | hmm, brainstorm forum, cool | 14:37 |
| * mgedmin shrugs | 14:37 | |
| mgedmin | you didn't define "doesn't like" | 14:38 |
| timeless_mbp | doesn't like = triggers exception while parsing | 14:38 |
| timeless_mbp | resulting in entire file being lost | 14:38 |
| mgedmin | can C gettext use translations from that file? probably yes | 14:38 |
| mgedmin | ngettext might not work but plain gettext will | 14:38 |
| mgedmin | does ngettext work? | 14:38 |
| mgedmin | the psize script if anybody is curious: http://pastie.org/663324 | 14:39 |
| mgedmin | pastie.org is pretty | 14:39 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/id-dpkg.mo | 14:40 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw | 14:40 |
| timeless_mbp | give me a command to use gettext? | 14:40 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: /opt/maemo/<package> MUST NOT be used. /opt/<package> or /opt/maemo/<path> SHOULD be used. | 14:40 |
| mgedmin | Jaffa: I got that already, but thanks for reiterating | 14:41 |
| mgedmin | I think it was proposed as one of the alternatives in the thread, and I misremembered | 14:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: should this work? | 14:43 |
| crashanddie | mgedmin: slexy.org is better :P | 14:44 |
| timeless_mbp | LC_MESSAGES=id LC_ALL=id gettext dpkg ' %d in %s: ' | 14:44 |
| mgedmin | crashanddie: de gustibus non disputandum | 14:45 |
| crashanddie | mgedmin: et colaribus ;) | 14:45 |
| mgedmin | but remind me not to ask your opinion when I'm redecorating | 14:45 |
| crashanddie | that reminds me, mgedmin, when you're redecorating, don't ask for my opinion | 14:45 |
| mgedmin | oh! thanks, I'd forgotten | 14:46 |
| mgedmin | but I'm not redecorating now | 14:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: so... how the heck do i get ngettext to do something for me? :( | 14:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | M='%d errors in control file' | 14:48 |
| timeless_mbp | LC_MESSAGES=id | 14:48 |
| timeless_mbp | ngettext dpkg "$M" "$M" 5 | 14:49 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: so /opt/<package> is ok? goood | 14:49 |
| javispedro | but I'd say not to misuse that "much". | 14:50 |
| javispedro | since I still have this hope for a proper unionfs deep inside me. | 14:50 |
| mgedmin | timeless_mbp: sorry, I don't have time now :/ | 14:50 |
| hrw | RST38h: I would prefer /opt/packages/<package> to keep /opt/ a bit clean | 14:51 |
| javispedro | on my system I have /opt/<manufacturer> | 14:51 |
| RST38h | hrw: I do not really have any preferences other than it should be short | 14:51 |
| RST38h | Anything above that is unnecessary purism | 14:52 |
| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: ok | 14:52 |
| mikkov__ | X-Fade: now I'm getting constant stream of promotion unlocked messages :( | 14:52 |
| timeless_mbp | i've got my gettext not dying :) | 14:52 |
| X-Fade | mikkov__: For the same package? | 14:52 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Yes. | 14:52 |
| mikkov__ | X-Fade: for 10 packages multiple times | 14:52 |
| X-Fade | mikkov__: Exact same versions? | 14:53 |
| timeless_mbp | ok | 14:53 |
| timeless_mbp | it doesn't actually work | 14:53 |
| Jaffa | hrw: What's the point of the extra 'packages' directory? Packages choosing to use /opt/<package> are following the FHS (mostly) | 14:53 |
| timeless_mbp | This option is not available ... | 14:53 |
| mikkov__ | X-Fade: twice per package, armel and i386 | 14:53 |
| mikkov__ | X-Fade: but they don't even have 10 thumbs up | 14:54 |
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| hrw | Jaffa: after installing 135 packages you will get 135 dirs for packages + /opt/maemo/ - a bit of order | 14:54 |
| X-Fade | mikkov__: Let me kill that first then ;) | 14:54 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: There are two uses of /opt described in FHS: /opt/<registered-vendor>/<package> and /opt/<package> | 14:55 |
| RST38h | hrw: Following your suggestion you get 135 dirs in /opt/packages | 14:55 |
| javispedro | Jaffa: ah, I see. thanks | 14:55 |
| Jaffa | RST38h++ | 14:55 |
| RST38h | I.e. you get 135 dirs either way | 14:55 |
| RST38h | Sorting them by vendor just makes navigation more difficult | 14:56 |
| X-Fade | maildir style folders FTW! :) | 14:56 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: I just got a load of "Promotion unlocked" messages, and it linked to a 404: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/hermes/0.1.0/ | 14:56 |
| hrw | anyway do like you want - I probably will hack it in a way or other | 14:56 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah, that feature misfired.. | 14:57 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Badly :( | 14:57 |
| RST38h | "Apparently respectable programmers in Japan claim to have developed an algorithm which can tell, merely by listening to a person briefly, whether or not they are about to die." | 14:57 |
| Jaffa | hrw: "do what you want"? This has been discussed openly and a consesnsus reached on maemo-developers. | 14:57 |
| * RST38h hehehs | 14:57 | |
| Jaffa | hrw: And there's the Linux Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. | 14:57 |
| hrw | mkey | 14:58 |
| lcuk | RST38h, it just compares the voice to the wilhelm scream | 14:58 |
| RST38h | Oh, gentlemen, for Cthulhu's sake, stop arguing about this /opt stuff, it is *not* that important | 14:58 |
| RST38h | I mean, nice conversation / flame topic of course, but makes very small practical difference | 14:58 |
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| lcuk | hey RST38h i put ti calc on, and i didnt realise you werent being composited either | 14:59 |
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| lcuk | im planning on putting a standard pixmap on the x11 window when leaving focus, so that it zooms back nicely | 15:00 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Mmm? I just write into fb0 | 15:00 |
| lcuk | would the same work for you? | 15:00 |
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| RST38h | I do not even understand what you want to do =) | 15:00 |
| lcuk | yeah i know, but when i went back to the dashboard you just had a black screen | 15:00 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Ohm THAT | 15:01 |
| lcuk | yeah, that | 15:01 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Yes, I can probably put a dummy image there of some kind, but does it matter much? | 15:01 |
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| crashanddie | hmm, let's see, task manager, black screen | 15:01 |
| lcuk | its just a bit of polish | 15:02 |
| lcuk | i know i need one | 15:02 |
| lcuk | just noticed it with yours | 15:02 |
| crashanddie | considering the task manager is one of the better features and probably most used ones of the n900, yeah, I'd say it matters | 15:02 |
| lcuk | tis all | 15:02 |
| RST38h | Will think of it, although this means I will need a full-screen meaningful image for each app | 15:03 |
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| lcuk | you have a fullscreen meaningful image shown anyway | 15:03 |
| lcuk | just on lostfocus, grab the current image as a pixmap and show on x11 | 15:03 |
| lcuk | (which was the plan i had for mine but its a bit tricky | 15:04 |
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| * RST38h considers having the same image for all apps, saying "Ah, crap!" in military-style letters rotated to 45o | 15:04 | |
| lcuk | "DON'T PANIC" | 15:04 |
| RST38h | PWNED ? | 15:04 |
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| lcuk | "thar be dragons" | 15:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: with the appropruate picure | 15:06 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: What is that "promotion unlocked" stuff? All of my -Devel stuff is already promotied to -Testing, afaik | 15:07 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, which picture tho | 15:07 |
| SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dragon_32_computer.jpg | 15:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Of course | 15:07 |
| lcuk | :D yessss | 15:07 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: Should have been a notification when promotion criteria were met. | 15:08 |
| X-Fade | Minor bug :) | 15:08 |
| RST38h | Ah | 15:11 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Hey, at least make the entries in the package list thinner and remove the multiple page stuff | 15:12 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: These are trivial changes | 15:12 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: how old are you? | 15:12 |
| RST38h | (also makes sense to sort them in order of advancement to -Testing | 15:12 |
| RST38h | crash: 37 | 15:12 |
| RST38h | crash: you? | 15:13 |
| crashanddie | bloody hell, you act like someone 30 years younger than yourself | 15:13 |
| RST38h | crash: Not really. | 15:13 |
| RST38h | crash: So, how old are you and how often do you get to deal with real 7 year olds? | 15:14 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: twice a week, and I'm 23 | 15:15 |
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| * ifreq just read macformat/uk magazine and thinks everyone there are about 12 yo | 15:15 | |
| RST38h | crash: No kids yet? | 15:15 |
| crashanddie | ifreq: try -users | 15:15 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: nope | 15:15 |
| RST38h | crash: Figures. | 15:15 |
| ifreq | crashanddie: false | 15:15 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: kids is like wifi, I borrow it from my neighbours | 15:15 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: I'm from the new generation, doing nothing during my teens, working like an idiot during my 20s, and then trying to party, build a family and over-do everything during my 30s | 15:16 |
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| crashanddie | RST38h: which probably means I'll be divorced by the time i'm 40, and broke and alcoholic by the time I'm 50 | 15:17 |
| ifreq | crashanddie: you die on drugs after 30 | 15:17 |
| RST38h | crash: You will see the light of truth and accept the tentacled One at some point, don't worry. | 15:17 |
| ifreq | because youre too tired to work without | 15:17 |
| ifreq | cthulhu | 15:18 |
| w00t | all hail cthulu | 15:18 |
| ifreq | hail | 15:18 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, to be divorced you have to find someone who will marry you in the first place :P | 15:19 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: which really isn't the issue | 15:19 |
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| recalcati | good morning | 15:20 |
| ifreq | mourning | 15:20 |
| lcuk | sure it is, if you cant find a good lady, you cant get divorced and all your plans are screwed :D | 15:20 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: i make a fair amount of money and am not afraid to spend it, plus, I travel a lot which means she can have the poolboy regularly | 15:20 |
| RST38h | lcuk: he is from the new generation, he can marry a guy | 15:21 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: and that | 15:21 |
| ifreq | RST38h: console generation? | 15:21 |
| RST38h | lcuk: if only to divorce him... | 15:21 |
| Meizirkki | ~botsnack | 15:21 |
| infobot | Meizirkki: thanks | 15:21 |
| RST38h | ifreq: no, some other one, I could not quite figure out which one | 15:21 |
| RST38h | ifreq: At some point they stopped marking these with letters | 15:21 |
| lcuk | RST38h, lol but that brings other considerations, cos seb would be the fem in the relationship lol | 15:22 |
| ifreq | RST38h: yeh ill join on this brainstorm. Im 30+ so it makes me old gen too :/ | 15:22 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: I thought the one bringing in the money was the man? In that case, you're the bitch ;) | 15:22 |
| RST38h | That was a touche | 15:23 |
| ifreq | I thought these days both woman and man bring money to the kitchen table. | 15:23 |
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| ifreq | atleast here, well.. too old to figure out this stuff anymore. | 15:24 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, theres more to life than money | 15:24 |
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| recalcati | yesterday I've installed scratchbox, but without creating the user with -u . Then I made some awful chmod modification on /scratchbox directory. Two question: if I rm -rf /scratchbox I'm ok? If I do sudo sh ./maemo-scratchbox-install_X.X.sh -u user I can install scratchbox to another path or /scratchbox is mandatory ? thx | 15:25 |
| lcuk | (tho a few million squid wouldnt go amiss) | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | that hungry? | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | not sure it's worth that much after a couple weeks | 15:25 |
| wazd_ | http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/10/21/omweather-0-3-preview-and-support/ | 15:26 |
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| SmokeyD1 | Hey people. I am thinking about buying the Nokia N900. I am a long time Linux fan and user and do have quite some experience with it. Is it realistic to think that I could update the software of my Nokia N900 later on if there is a new Maemo version for instance? | 15:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe. | 15:41 |
| SpeedEvil | There are a couple of issues. | 15:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | There are large closed-source bits of the UI, and backporting those would be solely at nokias whim. | 15:42 |
| SpeedEvil | The next model is supposed to have capacitive input, and a multitouch screen. | 15:42 |
| SpeedEvil | If the UI is based on these to a large degree, it would be very difficult to backport to a singletouch device. | 15:42 |
| recalcati | SpeedEvil: what does it mean next model? When it will be available (in Italy) ? | 15:43 |
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| Jaffa | SmokeyD1: There are efforts like http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer to build a fully functional alternative operating system | 15:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | On the other hand - Mer is the open-source 'version' - that's likely to get a lot more polished when the n900 gets delivered to lots of users | 15:43 |
| SpeedEvil | recalcati: the next model dates is not public. I'd expect under a year. | 15:43 |
| SmokeyD1 | SpeedEvil: ok, cool. didn't know there were large closed-source parts. Does make sense though that Nokia wont open up all parts of the OS since that might take a way their competitive edge | 15:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | recalcati: but it might be 6 months, or 18. | 15:44 |
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| recalcati | So, during 2010, .. | 15:44 |
| recalcati | So I'll buy the actual. | 15:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Or even never. | 15:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | Regrettably, there is always newer shinier hardware on the horizon. | 15:44 |
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| recalcati | I have to book it, because is not yet available in Italy | 15:44 |
| SpeedEvil | At some point, you've got to put down your cash. | 15:44 |
| SpeedEvil | recalcati: Not anywhere. (the n900) | 15:45 |
| SmokeyD1 | indeed. I am not in a hurry to buy a new phone, but it sounds so interesting the N900. Would you recommend it, or would you recommend waiting untill the next version? | 15:45 |
| * Stskeeps likes the N900 a lot. | 15:45 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Personally, I'm buying a n900. (maybe - if nokia accept my order with abuses of discount coupons) | 15:46 |
| SmokeyD1 | I think I will buy it through my phone operator. My contract is about to end anyway so I can get it cheaper if I buy it with a new phone contract | 15:47 |
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| recalcati | my company put down the cash :-) | 15:47 |
| SmokeyD1 | Some operators are already advertising the N900 | 15:47 |
| recalcati | SmokeyD1: about? | 15:47 |
| SpeedEvil | SmokeyD1: directly? | 15:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | SmokeyD1: Is it available when you go to the operators - vodafone.it say - website - or is it mobile phone shops? | 15:48 |
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| andre___ | hmm, didn't we have a wiki page about using /opt? anybody having the URL? | 15:48 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: your list of donators is lacking a name ;-) | 15:48 |
| SmokeyD1 | SpeedEvil: both here. But they say it is being ordered. They don't actually have it there yet, but they do already advertise with it | 15:49 |
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| AndrewFBlack | Not naming names but there is a newer person on tmo and every time I see one of his many posts I just want to slap him | 15:49 |
| SpeedEvil | SmokeyD1: Interesting. | 15:50 |
| * RurouniJones taps SpeedEvil on the shoulder and gives thanks for the abusive discount program ;) | 15:51 | |
| SpeedEvil | not me. | 15:51 |
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| RurouniJones | Howver, should it be honoured, it netted Nokia 2 purchases instead of one. | 15:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Though I mentioned in the thread how to get free phone service in the UK for a year | 15:51 |
| lcuk | Myrtti o_O you are right actually | 15:52 |
| X-Fade | We see free N900 +300min/600SMS month for 17,50 + 9 for unlimited internet. | 15:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Or one purchase instead of zero for me. | 15:53 |
| X-Fade | euro that is. | 15:53 |
| SpeedEvil | how long contrat? | 15:53 |
| X-Fade | 2 years, I think | 15:53 |
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| mikhas | andre___, I refer to http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify/blobs/master/README regarding /opt .... | 15:54 |
| SpeedEvil | X-Fade: that's pretty good | 15:54 |
| andre___ | mikhas, ah, okay. i now linked to the Developer Guide instead | 15:54 |
| X-Fade | It is very close to N97 in pricing. | 15:54 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, i have updated now, i thought i had put both your names there, and there were a few others missing too :$ | 16:02 |
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| lcuk | thanks for reminder | 16:02 |
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| lardman|home | fiferboy: ping | 16:02 |
| fiferboy | lardman|home: pong | 16:02 |
| lardman|home | I am in need of your treeview greatness | 16:02 |
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| lardman|home | ;) | 16:02 |
| mgedmin | http://pastie.org/663411 <-- sizes of all installed packages, including core os | 16:03 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, ive put a bytesize video of the engine together, and i fly through my presentation that i shouldv made at the summit too | 16:03 |
| mgedmin | posix-locales is huge | 16:03 |
| * lcuk curses technical difficulties | 16:03 | |
| fiferboy | I can try to help, what's the issue? | 16:03 |
| lardman|home | If I listen for the row-deleted signal, how can I work out what was in the row before it was deleted? E.g. so I can then remove that item from the screen? | 16:03 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: Is this compressed size on disk? | 16:04 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: ♥ | 16:04 |
| lardman|home | fiferboy: I can't remember which example I was following, but it doesn't seem to get an iter passed to the callback fn | 16:04 |
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| lardman|home | fiferboy: or was I following the wrong example? | 16:04 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, the presentation software runs sooooo nicely on n900 | 16:05 |
| lcuk | i really wanted to show everyone at the summit :$ | 16:05 |
| fiferboy | lardman|home: the row-deleted signal passed a GtkTreePath which you can convert to an iter... | 16:05 |
| fiferboy | But isn't the content of that row already gone at that point? | 16:05 |
| lardman|home | ok, but does the thing it points to still exist? | 16:05 |
| IcanCU | how come this channel is so busy? | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | IcanCU: active community | 16:06 |
| IcanCU | yeah | 16:06 |
| IcanCU | is maemo more fun then iphone? | 16:06 |
| lardman|home | of course | 16:06 |
| lcuk | hell yeah | 16:06 |
| javispedro | never doubt that. | 16:06 |
| w00t | maemo > * | 16:06 |
| IcanCU | convince me | 16:06 |
| lcuk | and its more open and expandable and capable | 16:06 |
| IcanCU | ( i don't have an iphone) | 16:06 |
| fiferboy | lardman|home: It seems it does not | 16:06 |
| lcuk | you can develop using the same toolkits as on the desktop | 16:06 |
| fiferboy | lardman|home: "The location pointed to by path should be the location that the row previously was at. It may not be a valid location anymore." | 16:07 |
| IcanCU | i see | 16:07 |
| lcuk | try this: a 1 minute video | 16:07 |
| IcanCU | apps can be ported from desktop to maemo? | 16:07 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/user/lcukmaemo#p/a/u/2/7hGUKICDeok | 16:07 |
| lcuk | yes | 16:07 |
| lardman|home | fiferboy: seems an odd thing to pass to the callback though, if it's not there anymore | 16:07 |
| Myrtti | IcanCU: cheesecake ponies pink plastic towboat | 16:07 |
| javispedro | IcanCU: we're coding for free after all, just for fun. isn't that enough? ;) | 16:07 |
| w00t | you don't need to get approval to run apps either | 16:07 |
| lcuk | tho direct ports usually look bad | 16:07 |
| w00t | Myrtti: haha. | 16:07 |
| w00t | that's the second time I've heard that phrase in two days. | 16:07 |
| lcuk | but the underlying libries can be brought in | 16:07 |
| IcanCU | i hope the platform will be strong | 16:07 |
| fiferboy | lardman|home: That is true. It must be useful in some situations where you just need to know where it was, maybe for row swapping or reordering | 16:07 |
| lcuk | and if the ui is designed carefully you can use everywhere | 16:07 |
| IcanCU | how about android? | 16:07 |
| IcanCU | android is open? | 16:08 |
| javispedro | android is java thus less fun. | 16:08 |
| fiferboy | lardman|home: What is the scenario you are going for? What do you want to do when a row is deleted? | 16:08 |
| javispedro | java=enterprisey | 16:08 |
| lardman|home | I want to remove the icon from the map | 16:08 |
| lardman|home | for that contact | 16:08 |
| lcuk | lardman is there a "before-remove" signal? | 16:08 |
| lardman|home | dunno, was thinking the same | 16:09 |
| RST38h | Heya Myrtti | 16:09 |
| Myrtti | ohai RST38h | 16:09 |
| IcanCU | so all you here are developers or end users? | 16:10 |
| RST38h | javis: As you are the local java guy, how about porting goddamn PhoneME and showing all these wankers their real worth? =) | 16:10 |
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| lardman|home | ah "Implementations of GtkTreeModel must emit row-deleted before removing the node from its internal data structures. This is because models and views which access and monitor this model might have references on the node which need to be released in the row-deleted handler." | 16:10 |
| fiferboy | lardman|home: The obvious (but not optimal) route would be to wipe everything and re-load the still existing rows when you receive that signal | 16:10 |
| lardman|home | I wonder if I can then get an iter to it | 16:10 |
| RST38h | javis: As in "You whined for Java? Here is Java!" | 16:10 |
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| lardman|home | fiferboy: yeah, I was hoping to be reasonably optimal though ;) | 16:10 |
| fiferboy | Figures :) | 16:10 |
| RST38h | javis: I am even willing to provide you with the drawing backend | 16:11 |
| javispedro | RST38h: you know the only thing missing is basically package it so that your "click .jar file and orgasm" dream works? | 16:11 |
| fiferboy | lardman|home: You can convert the GtkTreePath to a GtkTreeIter, but you might want to check that it holds what you think it does | 16:11 |
| lopz | hi ;) | 16:11 |
| lardman|home | fiferboy: or can I just access the data directly from a TreePath? | 16:11 |
| javispedro | well, to be honest, something more must be rotten in PhoneME, because no one seems interested. | 16:11 |
| fiferboy | lardman|home: Sometimes you can. It seems a little strange to have both options, but certain things need an iter I think | 16:12 |
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| hrw | javispedro: we use phoneme on bug | 16:12 |
| lardman|home | fiferboy: ok | 16:12 |
| hrw | javispedro: works fine | 16:12 |
| javispedro | then, it's missing packaging only. | 16:12 |
| hrw | would be nice if someone will finish maemo integration in OE - would give some stuff for maemo easier | 16:13 |
| RST38h | javis: I can do the click thing | 16:14 |
| lardman|home | hrw: +1 | 16:14 |
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| RST38h | javis: It is releatively easy | 16:14 |
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| hrw | bye | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: ask rkirti, she did a GSoC project on it | 16:14 |
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| RST38h | javis: Give me a command line binary that takes jar and executes it and I will package it | 16:14 |
| hrw|gone | Stskeeps: I know, I gave some advices | 16:14 |
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| lardman|home | fiferboy: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/temp/test_abook.c is my test code - it's nasty as I have no clue how the components are supposed to go together | 16:15 |
| RST38h | javis: the main problem with java is that people who want it most vocally are not programmers :) | 16:15 |
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| fiferboy | lardman|home: I'll take a look | 16:15 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Oh god, not you & Java again | 16:15 |
| Jaffa | And you moaned about /opt discussions... | 16:16 |
| RST38h | javis: So they do those endless threads, brainstorms, etc which are kinda useless unless participants can do programming | 16:16 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: hey I am not moaning about Java, as you can see | 16:16 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Just discussing packaging PhoneME for the tablet | 16:16 |
| javispedro | Jaffa: actually, he's very interested in J2ME. I guess he wants some strip poker midlet or similar. | 16:16 |
| javispedro | ;) | 16:16 |
| * RST38h winks at javispedro | 16:16 | |
| RST38h | Want my SimCity yes | 16:17 |
| * javispedro plays simcity in gvm | 16:17 | |
| * javispedro won a free copy of SimCity for Palm after a class action against Palm for selling 14bpp screens as 16bpp | 16:17 | |
| javispedro | and now Nokia is selling 16bpp screens as 24... | 16:18 |
| RST38h | did Nokia get away with 12bpp screens btw? | 16:18 |
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| RST38h | With early S60 devices they packaged 12bpp screens instead of 16bpp | 16:18 |
| fiferboy | lardman|home: You might want to through an "if (gtk_list_store_iter_is_valid (model, iter))" at line 97 | 16:18 |
| fiferboy | s/through/throw/ | 16:18 |
| infobot | fiferboy meant: lardman|home: You might want to throw an "if (gtk_list_store_iter_is_valid (model, iter))" at line 97 | 16:18 |
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| RST38h | javis: Where do they sell 16bpp ad 24bpp? | 16:19 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: "screen colors" tmo thread. multiple sources indicating 24bpp | 16:19 |
| RST38h | Hmmm | 16:19 |
| RST38h | S60e5 phones all have 32bpp screen buffers. Which causes me a lot of pain BTW | 16:20 |
| RST38h | So I always thought the screens where at least 24bpp, no? | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | 16bpp. | 16:20 |
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| RST38h | dumb | 16:20 |
| javispedro | 24bpp screens? you wish | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | RGBA, though | 16:20 |
| javispedro | I am yet to see a real 24bpp lcd. | 16:20 |
| RST38h | And the dumbest part is that they do not let me switch into 16bpp mode | 16:21 |
| RST38h | So, I have to do x2 copy work | 16:21 |
| derf | RST38h: Maybe because the controller dithers? | 16:21 |
| lardman|home | fiferboy: good plan | 16:21 |
| RST38h | javis: Well the one I have at work (IBM made, real old) seems to do the work very well | 16:21 |
| fiferboy | lardman|home: Have you been able to test the code? | 16:21 |
| RST38h | derf: Dithers how? It has 640x360 screen. It gives me 640x360 buffer. Where does it get extra pixels for dithering? | 16:22 |
| lardman|home | fiferboy: no, compilation error | 16:22 |
| derf | RST38h: I mean dithers 24-bit down to 16. | 16:22 |
| fiferboy | lardman|home: Where? | 16:22 |
| derf | You don't need extra pixels for dithering. | 16:22 |
| javispedro | yep. the result is quite noticeable though. | 16:22 |
| ShadowJK | just cycle the pixel between 0 and 10 or whatever, fast | 16:22 |
| javispedro | the m130 did dither. | 16:22 |
| RST38h | derf: It is not dithering then | 16:23 |
| javispedro | and even for 2-4 bits it was very noticeable. | 16:23 |
| lardman|home | fiferboy: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m4be7201f | 16:23 |
| derf | RST38h: Well, then I agree with you. It's dumb. | 16:23 |
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| RST38h | derf: more llike truncation :) | 16:23 |
| lardman|home | fiferboy: I've copied the build.sh script into the same dir as above | 16:23 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: And how long will it live ? =) | 16:24 |
| ShadowJK | ... | 16:25 |
| RST38h | VDVsx talks sense: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=352644#post352644 | 16:25 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: VDVsx follow up on a proposal I did on -developers. He actually takes action, which is good. | 16:26 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Well, in a way | 16:27 |
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| mgedmin | X-Fade: re your earlier question -- that script sums the size of files as visible in ls -l | 16:30 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: Ok, that means that actual size can be quite off. | 16:30 |
| mgedmin | totally | 16:31 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: 1000 small files might show up as 0KB, but they actually use quite a lot ;) | 16:31 |
| mgedmin | du -x / gives me over 400 megs in the 260 meg filesystem | 16:31 |
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| mgedmin | s/260/230/ | 16:31 |
| infobot | mgedmin meant: du -x / gives me over 400 megs in the 230 meg filesystem | 16:31 |
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| javispedro | good compression ratio. | 16:32 |
| javispedro | well, average. | 16:32 |
| mgedmin | can I rely on st_blocks and st_blocksize on ubifs? | 16:32 |
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| mgedmin | wait, st_blocks is always in 512b units; st_blksize is unrelated | 16:33 |
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| mgedmin | but du uses st_blocks and it clearly lies | 16:33 |
| mgedmin | which is why I decided to go with st_size | 16:33 |
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| mgedmin | another very confusing thing: after upgrading vim that optified away 17 megs' worth of files my free space grew from ~0 to ~5 megs free | 16:34 |
| mgedmin | then, later, after reboot my free space suddenly grew from ~0 to ~26 megs free | 16:34 |
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| mgedmin | so I've no clue how ubifs manages free space | 16:34 |
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| X-Fade | probably lazy GC ? | 16:35 |
| javispedro | (i assume like jffs2) there's a gc process on boot | 16:35 |
| mgedmin | that's what I think too | 16:36 |
| mgedmin | can the gc be triggered manually from a shell? | 16:36 |
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| jeremiah | What am I supposed to make of http://www.maemoproject.com/ ? | 16:42 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: too late | 16:42 |
| SpeedEvil | jeremiah: butter | 16:42 |
| SpeedEvil | jeremiah: you churn it in a cask for an hour, and you get butter out. | 16:42 |
| jeremiah | Late butter. Okay | 16:42 |
| jeremiah | Fair enough. | 16:43 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: Was a contest where you could win a N900. | 16:43 |
| jeremiah | okay. Well, I don't feel like I missed anything then since I've already 'won' one. | 16:43 |
| jeremiah | :) | 16:43 |
| X-Fade | But that 'clip' you see there is part of a bigger N900 movie. | 16:44 |
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| * mgedmin has 26 free megs this morning -- now has 9 megs | 16:45 | |
| jeremiah | X-Fade: Pretty cool actually. | 16:45 |
| * mgedmin didn't install anything, but upgraded a few packages | 16:45 | |
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| jeremiah | I have been staring at the empty room for a bit | 16:45 |
| RST38h | reboot | 16:45 |
| RST38h | known issue | 16:45 |
| mgedmin | ah, /var/cache/apt/archives isn't cleared | 16:45 |
| mgedmin | back to 12 megs now | 16:45 |
| mgedmin | this is fun and unpredictable | 16:46 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: The movie has some really cool animations. Very matrix style.. | 16:46 |
| RST38h | actually it is a different issue | 16:46 |
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| jeremiah | It takes a while to get started though, or I haven't found a trick for it. | 16:46 |
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| * mgedmin doesn't get what lardman is trying to achieve | 16:47 | |
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| RST38h | nirvana? | 16:48 |
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| mgedmin | it sounds like you're listening to change notifications from a model and replaying them back on the same model, causing fun and exciting infinite recursion, lardman | 16:48 |
| mgedmin | am I missing something? | 16:49 |
| mgedmin | or are you trying to keep two different tree models in sync? | 16:49 |
| mgedmin | (if so, why?) | 16:49 |
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| mgedmin | hehe eyes-widget is optified! | 16:50 |
| mgedmin | saves 16K ! | 16:50 |
| mgedmin | eyes-widget is the best widget ever | 16:50 |
| RST38h | Actually I have to optify AlmosttTI | 16:51 |
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| RST38h | The only problem there is the necessity to keep separate postinst/postrm files for Maemo4 and Maemo5 | 16:51 |
| mgedmin | what do your postinst/rm scripts do? | 16:52 |
| RST38h | wait, I lied | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: You can optify in maemo4 too | 16:52 |
| RST38h | Not the postinst/postrm, the Makefiles, they do install | 16:52 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Yes, but what happens on actual user tablets which do not have opt? | 16:52 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Will this work for them? | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: yes | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: opt is on rootfs there. | 16:53 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: I will try it then, good idea =) | 16:53 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: That is why optify is in diablo extras-devel too. | 16:53 |
| RST38h | well I will optify by hand...Just need to move the data away | 16:54 |
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| javispedro | see how they are marketizing the gadget to themselves? | 16:56 |
| javispedro | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=353827#post353827 | 16:56 |
| javispedro | no need for even the marketing department to actually invent the lies! | 16:56 |
| RST38h | javis: oh my god | 16:57 |
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| * RST38h feels like he has just looked at a bunch of aliens through a telescope | 16:57 | |
| javispedro | RST38h: and that's not the worst I've heard, but the first one in English though. | 16:58 |
| RurouniJones | http://pastie.org/663474 <- My first piece of python code ever written. Is this a vaguely sensible way to layout a simple app? (Having foudn out fixed positioning is baaaad :p ). | 16:58 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: btw, as for conditional optification I just read /etc/maemo_release and put an "if" in the debian/rules file. | 16:58 |
| RST38h | javis: Oh I see stuff like this in Russian from time to time but avoid going to their nesting places | 16:58 |
| javispedro | but as said you can just let it optificate for diablo and it'll work | 16:59 |
| javispedro | aw. | 16:59 |
| javispedro | I forgot to ask for chinook maemo-optify | 16:59 |
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| wazd_ | LOOOOL | 17:01 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: you gonna cry :D | 17:01 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: http://www.flagship.nokia.com/ | 17:02 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: find moscow | 17:02 |
| lardman | re | 17:02 |
| mgedmin | RurouniJones: on a desktop I've found glade to be much nicer than manual widget construction and positioning | 17:02 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: and then find a photo with 3 blue screens with text | 17:02 |
| mgedmin | on maemo, dunno -- it probably doesn't support hildon widgets | 17:02 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: and read it :D | 17:02 |
| lcuk | wazd_, time at uk store is also wrong | 17:02 |
| RurouniJones | mgedmin: glade....oohkay, I'll add that to my reading list | 17:02 |
| mgedmin | it's a WYSIWIG gui construction tool that stores the layout as an xml file | 17:03 |
| mgedmin | I like your code, btw | 17:03 |
| mgedmin | except box.set_spacing (35) <--- space in front of ( is ugly and inconsistent with the rest | 17:03 |
| mgedmin | and I see a few commas with no spaces after them | 17:04 |
| lcuk | "what does earth mean" | 17:04 |
| RST38h | wazd: open until 11:00 | 17:04 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, space in front is gnu style isnt it | 17:04 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: http://i019.radikal.ru/0910/2c/5459d4c72f0c.png | 17:04 |
| javispedro | wazd_: I hope you translate it for us cause it seems like a sw error :) | 17:04 |
| lcuk | for c at least | 17:05 |
| RurouniJones | Righto. I am not sure of python conventions. | 17:05 |
| RST38h | wazd: So, what do I do to this thing? =) | 17:05 |
| mgedmin | lcuk: python this is! http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/ all bow before | 17:05 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: wrong photo :) | 17:05 |
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| * mgedmin wonders why he's switched to yoda-grammar | 17:05 | |
| RST38h | wazd: oh shit | 17:05 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, at least with python things are indented correctly | 17:05 |
| mgedmin | :) | 17:05 |
| javispedro | whaaaaaaaaaat does it saaaaaaay | 17:05 |
| RurouniJones | Oooo that is a useful link. Thanks mgedmin | 17:05 |
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| RST38h | javis: it says "We have used the automated translation engine from Finnish to Russian and messed up" | 17:06 |
| javispedro | hehe | 17:06 |
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| RST38h | at least it is not shown in cp1252, like stuff printed on some Windows CDs... | 17:06 |
| mgedmin | RurouniJones: you know what, that's probably the nicest pygtk window construction code I've ever seen | 17:06 |
| javispedro | always fun stuff. | 17:06 |
| mgedmin | everybody tends to put all the widgets and boxes in a single large function, which quickly becomes messy | 17:07 |
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| RurouniJones | Well, I did use Hermes as a guide | 17:07 |
| RurouniJones | minus all the fiddly class stuff. | 17:07 |
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| mgedmin | ah, I haven't read Hermes's code | 17:07 |
| RurouniJones | Since I don't quite grok that yet. | 17:07 |
| mgedmin | nice job | 17:07 |
| mgedmin | learning by example rules | 17:07 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: The alternative is to put all widgets and boxes into multiple small functions that quickly become messy | 17:07 |
| RurouniJones | Lets not forget all the annoying questions I asked in here over the last week | 17:07 |
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| RurouniJones | Which wre graciously answered. | 17:08 |
| lcuk | maemo is nice like that :) | 17:08 |
| javispedro | finally SOMEONE put up a full dmesg | 17:08 |
| javispedro | http://qwerty12.qole.org/dmesgb4script.txt | 17:08 |
| javispedro | ~qwerty12++ | 17:08 |
| javispedro | now, count the USB OTG references there. | 17:09 |
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| RST38h | mhmm...this "QA system" penalizes people who frequently update their apps | 17:09 |
| slonopotamus | ~qwerty12++ | 17:10 |
| slonopotamus | what that does? | 17:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Makes me rich | 17:10 |
| RST38h | increments qwerty's home directory by 1MB | 17:10 |
| RST38h | deleting files in advance | 17:10 |
| slonopotamus | ~qwerty12=65536 | 17:10 |
| RST38h | ++(~qwerty) will first increment size, then delete files | 17:10 |
| mgedmin | javispedro: 3 | 17:11 |
| javispedro | thanks mgedmin. now call in the usb experts ;) | 17:11 |
| mgedmin | rst, if ~ is overloaded to delete files, then ++~querty will first delete then increment | 17:11 |
| mgedmin | you want ~++qwerty | 17:11 |
| RST38h | yea, in certain languages | 17:11 |
| mgedmin | ALL USB EXPERTS GATHER HERE | 17:11 |
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| mgedmin | javispedro: your turn now | 17:12 |
| * javispedro hides | 17:12 | |
| * mgedmin counts to 10 | 17:12 | |
| Jaffa | RurouniJones: I agree with mgedmin - very nice. | 17:12 |
| slonopotamus | what is the order of execution in ++~++qwerty~++~? | 17:12 |
| mgedmin | undefined, which means the c++ compiler is allowed to blow up your house | 17:13 |
| wazd_ | javispedro: it says "Good company software on for any less infuence us them, about vision some. Best accept leave on boss, by 2 that intervewing. On team that mistakes all." | 17:13 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: OTG references are irrelevant. | 17:13 |
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| RurouniJones | Well it is dead simple, I am sure I will munge it up when I try and do more things. I still need to understand the way Hermes does it using a GUI class. I come from a webdev background. Never done GUI apps before | 17:13 |
| lcuk | wazd_, nice - was that in a fortune cookie? | 17:13 |
| mgedmin | SpeedEvil: please clarify | 17:13 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: The issues are: Is the USB port connected to a device that can do host or OTG mode. | 17:13 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: I was hoping this could solve that. | 17:14 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: If it is, can that port not be used for any reason. | 17:14 |
| wazd_ | javispedro: add wide tense variations to it :D | 17:14 |
| javispedro | wazd_: hehe. automated translation mess :) | 17:14 |
| SpeedEvil | The absolute simplest way to test this is to find out how to set the port to host mode, do that. | 17:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | Then connect a USB device to the port with external power, and see what happens | 17:14 |
| * slonopotamus would be really happy if all 'unspecified behaviours' were abort() | 17:15 | |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: well, at least we know that musb_hdrc is being in use, and that it recognises a single usb otg mode controller. | 17:15 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: ah - the fact that there is one controller may be promising. | 17:15 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: As long as it can be configured to do host mode without the external wiring - I'd be very surprised if this wasn't the case. | 17:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | The remaining issue is hardware bugs for some reason that impact this and that have not been fixed. | 17:16 |
| javispedro | echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode | 17:16 |
| javispedro | (same as n810 I think) | 17:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | I can't think of any bugs that would do this - but nokias engineers may be more inventive than me. | 17:17 |
| ShadowJK | My current idea of it is: [musb controller] - [phy] - [port]. It's almost certain that no power would be provided outward. We know that the controller can be set to host mode from software. We know that the port is not OTG. We don't know if the phy can be set to host mode from software. There's talk on tmo about a "test mode" setting on the phy which could potentially make it switch to host mode. There is a driver package on tmo waiting for testers. Nob | 17:17 |
| ShadowJK | ody has tested last time I checked. | 17:17 |
| SpeedEvil | There is - typically - no seperate phy chip | 17:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | The phy is integrated into the SoC | 17:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'd be astonished if this wasn't the case in this case. | 17:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm. | 17:18 |
| SpeedEvil | I suppose it's possible that stuff like the USB video switching may screw this up. | 17:18 |
| javispedro | USB video ? | 17:18 |
| SpeedEvil | The video out comes out of the USB connector I assume? | 17:18 |
| javispedro | no | 17:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - or is that the 3.5mm | 17:18 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 17:18 |
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| javispedro | it comes from the headphones connector | 17:18 |
| javispedro | yep | 17:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | then the pins should - pretty much (the USB data pins) should pretty much go direclty from the SoC to the socket, with only an ESD protection thingy in between. | 17:19 |
| SpeedEvil | There won't be a seperate phy | 17:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's not impossible the SoC might have an external USB disable - which is active when there is no power - but I've never seen that sort of thing. | 17:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | I need to work out which SoC this is and pull the datasheet I suppose, if I can. | 17:20 |
| ShadowJK | omap 3530 iirc | 17:21 |
| javispedro | if you can, this is TI we're talking about. | 17:21 |
| javispedro | if you can, send it to me too :) | 17:21 |
| RST38h | OMAP3 data is kinda public isn't it? | 17:21 |
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| javispedro | well, i've not seen anything comparable to the pxa datasheets I used to have. | 17:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | One wrinkle might be that to be a USB host, you need to connect two 15K resistors on the D pins to ground. This may not be done. | 17:23 |
| SpeedEvil | But on an external hub - that's a couple of moments to fix | 17:23 |
| SpeedEvil | (but again, I'd expect these to be integrated into the SoC's on-chip PhY) | 17:24 |
| SpeedEvil | err - phy | 17:24 |
| javispedro | but this would assume they actively tried to disable it. | 17:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | javispedro: not really | 17:24 |
| javispedro | "forgetting" both resistors.. | 17:24 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: It could simply mean that because it doesn't have host mode - they haven't populated the board, or it even doesn't have the resistors. It's shave $.01ish off the device | 17:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | (it won't only be resistors - they need to be switcable, or it's not usable in device mode) | 17:25 |
| javispedro | that goes back to my "they tried to finish disabiling it" point ;) | 17:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | Well - not quite - if you're not supporting host mode - that descision has been made - at the time you're changing the PCB and enclosure to go from a OTG connector to miniB - you would logically look at what else shoud be removed to reduce cost. 5V PSU, ... | 17:26 |
| javispedro | well. | 17:27 |
| javispedro | so what would happen if somewhere were to enable host in the musb_hdrc driver and plugged in a self powered hub? | 17:27 |
| SpeedEvil | But - this is a 3 min test with a device. | 17:27 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: 'new USB thingy plugged in, ...' | 17:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | as with any other device | 17:28 |
| javispedro | sorry. | 17:28 |
| javispedro | I meant, | 17:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | linux box | 17:28 |
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| javispedro | as "host" of the hub., | 17:28 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: It depends. | 17:28 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: some self-powered hubs do not recognise an unpowered host | 17:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Some do. | 17:29 |
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| javispedro | I guess the question any plausible tester would ask himself is "will it fry my $600 things" | 17:29 |
| SpeedEvil | I am quite confident that it wouldn't. | 17:29 |
| SpeedEvil | But of course... | 17:29 |
| mgedmin | ah, but will you give me a replacement n900 if your confidence proves unwarranted? | 17:29 |
| SpeedEvil | that was the ... | 17:29 |
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| * mgedmin is quite willing to experiment on the loan device after he buys his own n900 | 17:30 | |
| mgedmin | I've got a USB power injector I've used with my 770 at home | 17:30 |
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| javispedro | mgedmin: and you're in dev program, so that should be "soon" (TM) | 17:31 |
| mgedmin | a month or two | 17:31 |
| lcuk | take usb cables to nearby nokia store and test there | 17:32 |
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| mgedmin | also, keesj gave me a usb female-to-female converter at the previous summit | 17:32 |
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| lcuk | mgedmin, was it at the summit or linuxtag | 17:33 |
| lcuk | i remember him having a little box of goodies :D | 17:33 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: leenuxtag? | 17:33 |
| mgedmin | one of those, yes | 17:33 |
| mgedmin | probably linuxtag | 17:33 |
| lcuk | lol qwerty12_N810 yes, leeeenuckstag | 17:34 |
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| RurouniJones | one more possibly stupid question before I go. Are there any recommended libraries over and above the default stuff for reading/writing flat datafiles? (I am mainly interested in the reading bit) | 17:34 |
| RurouniJones | in Python that is | 17:35 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: Yeah one of these works nicely: http://communitizer.blogspot.com/2008/04/self-charging-n810.html | 17:35 |
| mgedmin | RurouniJones: there's a csv module in the stdlib | 17:36 |
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| mgedmin | I dunno what you mean exactly by "flat datafile" | 17:36 |
| RurouniJones | Not a database. format currently undecided. csv, xml, whatever | 17:36 |
| RurouniJones | but if there is a csv mod in stdlib I'll probably use that | 17:36 |
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| mgedmin | there are a bunch of xml parsers in the stdlib, which is a problem since you have to decide which one to use | 17:37 |
| mgedmin | xml.etree.ElementTree is the newest and probably best | 17:37 |
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| mgedmin | how complete is PyMaemo? | 17:37 |
| mgedmin | did they remove any modules to save space? | 17:37 |
| RST38h | Time to write / cleanup script | 17:37 |
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| * mgedmin sees /usr/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/ossaudiodev.so and decides that they didn't | 17:38 | |
| lizardo | mgedmin: will will find all standard modules there | 17:38 |
| lizardo | s/will/you/ | 17:38 |
| infobot | lizardo meant: mgedmin: you will find all standard modules there | 17:38 |
| RurouniJones | All I need is CSV reading and a bit of randomness. stdlib csv willl do the trick afink :) | 17:38 |
| mgedmin | import csv, random | 17:38 |
| * mgedmin loves random.choice() -- best method ever | 17:38 | |
| RurouniJones | Groovy, more python reading for the train tomorrow | 17:40 |
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| mgedmin | short train trip | 17:42 |
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| recalcati | scratchbox is installed, now I'm getting the SDK. | 17:42 |
| RurouniJones | Na, I have dinveintopython as well | 17:42 |
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| RurouniJones | although reading it on a phone screen is hell | 17:43 |
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| mgedmin | random_cell = random.choice(random.choice(list(csv.reader(open('file.csv'))))) | 17:43 |
| mgedmin | now you know everything you need | 17:43 |
| mgedmin | what phone? not the n900?: | 17:43 |
| RurouniJones | No, normal jap phone. | 17:44 |
| mgedmin | dive into python ought to look gorgeous on the n900 screen | 17:44 |
| RurouniJones | The jap phone can actually read PDF landscape but it can't open a 1.2MB PDF file | 17:44 |
| mgedmin | I sometimes think I want to ditch fbreader in favour of microb, but then I rememebr microb has no way to remember your last position | 17:44 |
| RurouniJones | I might try splitting it into multiple small riles | 17:45 |
| crashanddie | mgedmin: sure it does | 17:45 |
| crashanddie | mgedmin: it's called anchors and bookmarks! | 17:45 |
| RST38h | really? | 17:45 |
| mgedmin | crashanddie: vertical position inside a single html file? | 17:45 |
| crashanddie | yup | 17:45 |
| * mgedmin does not believe | 17:45 | |
| RST38h | And do you suggest use to manually insert anchor into wherever we stop reading the html file? | 17:45 |
| mgedmin | oh, anchors | 17:45 |
| RST38h | s/use/us | 17:45 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: nope, simple python script that recognises paragraphs | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | inserting an anchor for very paragraph doesn't scale | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | and doesn't save me if my n900 crashes because it ooms or something | 17:46 |
| RST38h | Ok, so now I am supposed to write a simple python script to remember where I stopped reading | 17:46 |
| crashanddie | plus with some javascript you can get page-up/down in finger mode, or scrolling | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | fbreader saves position automatically every 30 seconds (if the position changed since last save) | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | speaking of microb and javascript: ANGER! | 17:47 |
| mgedmin | microb doesn't let apps see keyboard events | 17:47 |
| mgedmin | it starts google searches or something instead | 17:47 |
| RST38h | file a bug | 17:47 |
| mgedmin | meh, "works as per spec" or something | 17:47 |
| RST38h | of course but it will be educational | 17:47 |
| mgedmin | and my karma would increase | 17:47 |
| mgedmin | mhm.... | 17:47 |
| RST38h | that too, although at this point I would rather prefer those bugs ot fixed | 17:48 |
| RST38h | s/ot/got | 17:48 |
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| dimsuz | hi guys! if i buy n810 will i be able to stay uptodate with maemo on it? i.e. can i get n900 content inside n810? | 17:50 |
| mgedmin | dimsuz: nope | 17:50 |
| dimsuz | pretty new to this devices and their contents | 17:50 |
| mgedmin | n900 has more powerful hardware | 17:50 |
| dimsuz | i see. but what about hardware? | 17:50 |
| dimsuz | oops | 17:51 |
| mgedmin | there are no official plans to port the n900 os to older devices | 17:51 |
| dimsuz | software i mean | 17:51 |
| mgedmin | a community port (mer) is planned, but it will not have all the new apps | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | `mer | 17:52 |
| mgedmin | ~mer? | 17:52 |
| infobot | from memory, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | err.. yeah | 17:52 |
| dimsuz | what about APIs? i'm mainly interested in writing Qt/KDE apps, but I think that n900 is too long to wait (here in russia) and it might be too expensive ($750?) | 17:52 |
| mgedmin | there is a qt port for the n810, I think | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | dimsuz: we have maemo5 qt on mer | 17:52 |
| w00t | maemo-qt is available on mer | 17:52 |
| mgedmin | and I've seen people running kde apps in a chroot on n8x0s | 17:52 |
| w00t | .. what he said | 17:52 |
| mgedmin | the application style differs, btw | 17:53 |
| RST38h | dimsuz: You won;t be able to run Maemo5 but you probably will be able to develop Qt apps. Qt for Maemo4 already exists | 17:53 |
| RST38h | dimsuz: You will have problems developing apps that look the same as Maemo5 apps though | 17:53 |
| dimsuz | hmm. so I might get involved in mer+qt, but only for maemo5 based devices? i.e. n900? | 17:54 |
| dimsuz | sorry if i sound dumb, i may not get something :) | 17:55 |
| w00t | mer is not just for n900 | 17:55 |
| mgedmin | you can get involved wherever you want ;) | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-image-editor/spacic | 17:55 |
| dimsuz | hehe. | 17:55 |
| dimsuz | maemo5 and mer are different disttributions, right? | 17:56 |
| * dimsuz feels he should read more of wiki's and return :) | 17:56 | |
| Stskeeps | dimsuz: yes | 17:56 |
| w00t | dimsuz: see http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/About | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | but we try not to diverge too much | 17:56 |
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| dimsuz | wow, mer looks interesting. | 17:58 |
| w00t | :) | 17:58 |
| dimsuz | it is gtk based per default, right? but as you said there's a qt version? | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | we'll have two tracks, mer 1.0 (fremantle based), mer 2.0 (harmattan, but that won't go on N8x0's i don't think..) | 17:59 |
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| w00t | you might be interested in #mer here also.. perhaps more relevant to talk there directly | 18:00 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: more unintended "promotion unlocked" emails? | 18:03 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: URL still incorrect in them, BTW | 18:04 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Should not be happening? | 18:04 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Got ones for vim 15 mins ago | 18:04 |
| Jaffa | Could just be delays in the system | 18:05 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Probably mail queue. | 18:05 |
| * Jaffa nods | 18:05 | |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: It was spamming quite badly ;( | 18:05 |
| Jaffa | heh | 18:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: btw, python doesn't ship w/ n900s | 18:11 |
| mgedmin | ah! | 18:11 |
| timeless_mbp | so, the dependency you've added is incredibly expensive | 18:11 |
| mgedmin | ouch | 18:11 |
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| mgedmin | is there a python-minimal? | 18:12 |
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| Jaffa | zerojay: Does "Classic Gaming Wallpapers" use /opt, btw? | 18:15 |
| mgedmin | yes, Jaffa | 18:15 |
| Jaffa | Cool | 18:15 |
| Jaffa | zerojay: mgedmin answered if you do a /last much later | 18:15 |
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| mgedmin | my xchat has no /last | 18:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | fwiw, i think the focus bug is filed and fixed (dunno when it gets shipped), and yes, it annoys us too | 18:17 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: Hmm. http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/vim/7.2-0maemo5/ isn't showing the XB-Maemo-Icon-26, but I'm sure I saw it going in to the package. | 18:27 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Icon indexer is a separate process. | 18:28 |
| fiferboy | Jaffa: The icons shows in the app manager | 18:29 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Let me see if it is still running. | 18:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | Package karma | 18:31 |
| timeless_mbp | 0 out of 10 | 18:31 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa / X-Fade : why the green bar? | 18:32 |
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| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: We like green, green is _the_ hot thing atm. | 18:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | heh | 18:33 |
| Jaffa | fiferboy: Yeah, I thought I'd seen it (when I installed it ;-)) | 18:35 |
| * Jaffa does test his stuff (well, mgedmin's ;-)) | 18:35 | |
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| Wooly | hey guys, unrelated question here, but does anyone know of a decent dedicated hosting company? | 18:41 |
| jeremiah | Wooly: What are you going to host? | 18:42 |
| jeremiah | Just html? | 18:42 |
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| Wooly | ruby | 18:42 |
| jeremiah | If you want a VPS, I recommend linode. | 18:42 |
| Wooly | RoR | 18:42 |
| jeremiah | They are awesome | 18:42 |
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| jeremiah | For RoR stuff you may find The Engine Yard useful | 18:42 |
| jeremiah | Never used them myself though. | 18:43 |
| jeremiah | (I write perl) | 18:43 |
| Wooly | Engine Yard is on my list of people to look at :D | 18:43 |
| Wooly | I want to be able to run a git server on there too | 18:43 |
| jeremiah | Look at Linode too - they offer a complete OS, like debian, for less than $20 | 18:44 |
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| jeremiah | a month | 18:44 |
| jeremiah | I have used them for over a year and they are really, really great. | 18:44 |
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| Wooly | jeremiah: awesome, thanks :) | 18:47 |
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| jeremiah | :) | 18:49 |
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| Wooly | jeremiah: out of interest, what do you use your linode VPS for? | 18:51 |
| jeremiah | I host some personal stuff, I run a planet for Nordic FOSS, writing cgi stuff, etc. | 18:53 |
| jeremiah | http://fnoss.org/new/ | 18:54 |
| jeremiah | For example | 18:54 |
| Wooly | cool thanks :) | 18:55 |
| jeremiah | :) | 18:55 |
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| lcuk | o_O "Unable to receive or send new messages" | 18:57 |
| lcuk | "device storage full" | 18:57 |
| lcuk | "remove data to free memory" | 18:57 |
| wazd_ | Russia. Can't. Accept. Donations. | 18:57 |
| w00t | I totally misparsed that as "remove data storage to free memory" | 18:57 |
| wazd_ | What the fucking fuck?! | 18:57 |
| wazd_ | Am I cursed or something?! | 18:58 |
| w00t | wazd_: sup? | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_: cant accept paypal in .dk. :P | 18:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: This is the part where you have to make a heart-wrenching decision (for you, anyway): Naked pictures of Dot or messages? | 18:58 |
| w00t | o_0 | 18:58 |
| lcuk | lol | 18:58 |
| lcuk | wazd_, i didnt know you were actually solidly involved with omweather (thought it was vlads baby) | 18:59 |
| lcuk | but the donation thing said to give money directly to russia which made me laugh | 18:59 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33205 seems everyone thinks the device sucks :P | 19:00 |
| lcuk | :( sorry wazd | 19:01 |
| lcuk | Currently PayPal accounts in Russia are only able to send payments. This recipient is not eligible to receive funds. | 19:01 |
| lcuk | i also tried | 19:01 |
| lcuk | javispedro, yeah i thought that too | 19:01 |
| lcuk | but it was middle of the night | 19:01 |
| lcuk | start filling stuff in | 19:01 |
| Wooly | qwerty12_N810: who is Dot? | 19:01 |
| lbt_ | Wooly: you a ruby hacker then? | 19:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Wooly: Dot from Eastenders... | 19:02 |
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| Wooly | qwerty12_N810: You made me sick in my mouth | 19:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Wooly: lcuk is the one with the pics! | 19:02 |
| Wooly | lbt_: just starting out :D | 19:02 |
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| lbt_ | ah.. me too (somehow, sometime) | 19:03 |
| Wooly | lcuk has a fetish for raisins | 19:03 |
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| wazd_ | ôöá ûñêóö øå | 19:03 |
| wazd_ | aw, screw it | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_: sent that mail to the guy yet btw? ?P | 19:04 |
| wazd_ | I surrender, take my soul, Satan | 19:04 |
| qwerty12_N810 | wazd_: done | 19:05 |
| wazd_ | Stskeeps: yep, but no reply :( | 19:05 |
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| wazd_ | Stskeeps: a week ago or so | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | k | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | give it time i guess | 19:05 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: well, convince someone to post anything there and "bump" the topic :) | 19:07 |
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| penguinbait | ~bump | 19:25 |
| lcuk | yes | 19:25 |
| penguinbait | Sorry I didn't have anything useful to contribute | 19:26 |
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| penguinbait | looks like we posted at the exact same time | 19:28 |
| javispedro | lcuk: well, suddenly, two bumps lol | 19:28 |
| penguinbait | lcuk do you have 2 n900's? | 19:28 |
| lcuk | no | 19:28 |
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| penguinbait | is there video calling between 810 and n900 | 19:29 |
| penguinbait | ? | 19:29 |
| lcuk | i dunno | 19:29 |
| lcuk | i cant even tell on my sdk because its ancient sw | 19:29 |
| wazd_ | oh, CSKA vs Manch | 19:29 |
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| lcuk | timeless, i know you dont normally get involved in tmo, but whats your favorite things about the n900 | 19:33 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=354160 | 19:33 |
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| Ceron^ | lcuk: is it possible to get a developer discount? | 19:34 |
| Ceron^ | :D | 19:34 |
| howitzer` | Just out of curiousity. What would be easiest to port: Maemo to an Androidphone or Android to a Maemophone? | 19:35 |
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| Stskeeps | howitzer`: we had android on n8x0 because n8x0 is open* | 19:35 |
| penguinbait | android to a maemo phone | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | as in, you can flash your own kernel and orotfs | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | rootfs | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | you can't do that easily on a androidphone | 19:35 |
| lcuk | didnt they first go out with rootshell available | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | well, telnetd.. | 19:36 |
| howitzer` | Ah, cheers :) | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | but that doesnt mean kexec/booting your own kernel | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | howitzer`: and n900 is just as open | 19:36 |
| lcuk | and isnt android linux underneath | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but it doesn't mean you can replace it :/ | 19:36 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: Wasn't intended to and they were just as quick to close that hole | 19:36 |
| lcuk | cant you just strip the ui and rebuild with x11 | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | the best thing about maemo is that you can get rid of it | 19:37 |
| lcuk | ok, how about running native x11 apps on pre | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | need a x server | 19:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: the browser is really the best portable browser i've ever used | 19:38 |
| timeless_mbp | and it really isn't because it's something i work on, it really is great | 19:38 |
| lcuk | then say so! | 19:38 |
| lcuk | i know | 19:38 |
| timeless_mbp | (and yes, i know about the fonting/kerning issues) | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | i still kinda want tear :/ but i should watch the instructions video of the browser | 19:38 |
| penguinbait | I deleted my ~bump, now I can re-bump later | 19:38 |
| lcuk | we need to talk more about what we like | 19:38 |
| aakashd | no love for fennec guys :( ? | 19:38 |
| timeless_mbp | and the other thing i like is the audio quality of the phone | 19:38 |
| timeless_mbp | aakashd: why? | 19:38 |
| penguinbait | I like long walks on the beach | 19:38 |
| timeless_mbp | the browser engine including the fonting issues are shared w/ all geckos (microb, and fennec) | 19:39 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | I want Tear, just because I can use the goddamn arrow keys to select a URL in the address bar | 19:39 |
| howitzer` | penguinbait: fast or slow? | 19:39 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Seriously, guys | 19:39 |
| lcuk | aakashd, fennec comes from the same stable with a slightly different orientation right now, but theres no reason it cant be included in what timeless just said | 19:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | aakashd, once they make it unslow. . . . | 19:39 |
| Pavlov | why is microb-engine in ld.so.conf? | 19:39 |
| penguinbait | both | 19:39 |
| Pavlov | and components? | 19:39 |
| aakashd | GeneralAntilles: its nice on the n900 :) | 19:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, you file a bug? | 19:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | aakashd, it's not. | 19:39 |
| timeless_mbp | Pavlov: to make certain other apps happy | 19:39 |
| lcuk | hey Pavlov \o | 19:39 |
| Pavlov | makes xulrunner stuff exciting | 19:39 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: Me and Bugzilla? :) | 19:39 |
| timeless_mbp | you can ask romaxa for the unhappy story if you like | 19:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, you want arrow keys or not? | 19:40 |
| Pavlov | tempted to auto-remove it on install :/ | 19:40 |
| timeless_mbp | but mostly it's because of some really annoying management complaints about dangling linking | 19:40 |
| aakashd | GeneralAntilles: what issues are you seeing specifically when browsing? | 19:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | aakashd, slow page loading, jittery scrolling. | 19:40 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: Well, when you put it like that... | 19:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | aakashd, but it wasn't installed long because of lack of optification. | 19:40 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not quite sure why those people's libraries don't have proper paths to prevent the need for the ld.so.conf junk, but... | 19:40 |
| lcuk | Pavlov, i have a really short run over of the engine and showing a dynamically loaded presentation .. http://www.youtube.com/user/lcukmaemo#p/a/u/2/7hGUKICDeok | 19:41 |
| aakashd | GeneralAntilles: ah got it, the latest nightly builds have fixed a lot of issues concerning those things | 19:41 |
| derf | aakashd: Do they support <video> yet? | 19:41 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: "An error occurred, please try again later." ? | 19:42 |
| * timeless_mbp is pretty sure fennec builds do support video | 19:42 | |
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| aakashd | derf: they do | 19:42 |
| derf | At more than 2 fps? | 19:42 |
| javispedro | and they use gstreamer, thus dsp codecs? | 19:42 |
| timeless_mbp | derf: an advantage of not having to deal w/ nokia lawyers... | 19:42 |
| Pavlov | derf: we're getting fullscreen in soon | 19:42 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: um... | 19:43 |
| Pavlov | and gstreamer support is in patches | 19:43 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders if the gstreamer stuff landed yet | 19:43 | |
| * timeless_mbp didn't think it had | 19:43 | |
| Pavlov | won't have video enabled in fennec 1.0 | 19:43 |
| Pavlov | but should have it on shortly after | 19:43 |
| Pavlov | gstreamer/fullscreen/etc enabled | 19:43 |
| timeless_mbp | cool, microb parity! :) | 19:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just wish Fennec could play nice with the autobuilder. | 19:43 |
| javispedro | or viceversa. | 19:43 |
| Pavlov | make a source deb package | 19:43 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: step 1. upgrade the auto builder's toolchain to a less lame compiler | 19:44 |
| timeless_mbp | ;-b | 19:44 |
| Pavlov | the fremantle one is | 19:44 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: why do i have an error in front of your video? | 19:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | (using safari, it works better in firefox) | 19:45 |
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| * GeneralAntilles wishes for hot water. | 19:46 | |
| penguinbait | hot water? | 19:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, hot water. | 19:46 |
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| howitzer` | Hot rain | 19:47 |
| timeless_mbp | hot tea with honey? | 19:47 |
| penguinbait | roommate used it all? | 19:47 |
| * timeless_mbp could use that | 19:47 | |
| GeneralAntilles | The current "hot" water temp in the building feels like about the mid 70°s. | 19:47 |
| penguinbait | florida's out of hot water? | 19:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Water heater must be broked. | 19:47 |
| lcuk | timeless, an error? | 19:47 |
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| penguinbait | shared hot water heater between multiple apartments? that sucks | 19:47 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: "An error occurred, please try again later." | 19:47 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hGUKICDeok | 19:48 |
| lcuk | hows that one | 19:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's one giant ass gas-powered monstrosity from about the mid 60s. | 19:48 |
| lcuk | the first was from my profile page i just noticed | 19:48 |
| timeless_mbp | note, it worked fine in ff3.5 | 19:48 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, that works fine | 19:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, I guess there's no way to fix the contacts phone number formatting? | 19:49 |
| Xisdibik | timeless_mbp: british are ye? tea with honey ;) | 19:49 |
| timeless_mbp | nah, i just like honey | 19:49 |
| Xisdibik | :o | 19:49 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: details? | 19:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | do we format phone numbers at all? | 19:50 |
| Xisdibik | a tes tto see if your really a honey lover. Which type of honey do you like best? :) | 19:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, technically I suppose not. | 19:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like mine (555) 555-5555 | 19:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and it also shouldn't give me an SMS link for home numbers. | 19:50 |
| timeless_mbp | personally, having dealt w/ too many stupid phones | 19:50 |
| timeless_mbp | i've switched to +15555551212 | 19:51 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I was thinking that - in the UK at least, you *can* send SMSes to landlines :-/ | 19:51 |
| Xisdibik | ive actualy gone the route of timeless | 19:51 |
| Xisdibik | erm timeless_mbp | 19:51 |
| frals | same here in .se | 19:51 |
| timeless_mbp | Xisdibik: timeless = me | 19:51 |
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| howitzer` | Isn't + the international way? | 19:51 |
| timeless_mbp | howitzer`: it is | 19:51 |
| Xisdibik | timeless_mbp, i know, but your speaking on mbp atm ;) | 19:52 |
| timeless_mbp | which saves you from various stupid operators breaking things | 19:52 |
| timeless_mbp | s/your/you're/ | 19:52 |
| howitzer` | Indeed | 19:52 |
| timeless | easily fixable | 19:52 |
| Xisdibik | timeless_mbp, you would get along great with my friend, he corrects my use of your/you're all the time ;) | 19:52 |
| timeless | :) | 19:52 |
| Xisdibik | on second thought, is your name Henry? lol | 19:53 |
| * GeneralAntilles loves open source zealots. | 19:53 | |
| timeless | nope :) | 19:53 |
| Xisdibik | k just had to make sure | 19:53 |
| timeless | gan: as long as they shower and use proper English :) | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's with Rise of PC Pronouns lately? | 19:53 |
| timeless_mbp | where? | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | "s/he" is not a valid anything. | 19:53 |
| timeless_mbp | nokia still can't get "you" and "me" right | 19:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Except, perhaps, as a way to embarrass yourself. | 19:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Hir | 19:54 |
| timeless_mbp | how could we possibly try to get pc pronouns right? :) | 19:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, just in general. | 19:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Both in Nokia-generated content and community posts. | 19:54 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, you have a device | 19:54 |
| timeless_mbp | personally, i'm more bitter about kibbits and base 10 binary sizing | 19:54 |
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| howitzer` | There should be both "you are" and "you is". | 19:54 |
| lcuk | and you do complain about things | 19:54 |
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| timeless | you is stupid | 19:55 |
| lcuk | please answer this thread | 19:55 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=354160 | 19:55 |
| SpeedEvil | howitzer`: Some of these used to exist in english | 19:55 |
| frals | lcuk: send one over and ill reply ;) | 19:55 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: technically, i'm ineligible, i didn't get a device @ summit | 19:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, timeless's non-shit strings! | 19:55 |
| lcuk | haha | 19:55 |
| lcuk | bah timeless | 19:55 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 19:55 | |
| lcuk | forget that just get adding things | 19:55 |
| * timeless_mbp needs to go back to perl and progress | 19:55 | |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: that'd require me to have a tmo account | 19:56 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm waiting for single signon :) | 19:56 |
| SpeedEvil | 'ye' for example | 19:56 |
| timeless_mbp | here ye, here ye! | 19:56 |
| lcuk | lol ok timeless | 19:56 |
| lcuk | gimme a quote and ill add it | 19:56 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: indeed - howver - it's rarely used in conversation | 19:56 |
| timeless_mbp | written? | 19:56 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, I've just realised why I don't like brainstorm. | 19:56 |
| lcuk | just here - you want "the browser works" | 19:56 |
| timeless_mbp | actually, it should be "hear ye, hear ye" | 19:57 |
| * timeless_mbp cries | 19:57 | |
| lcuk | <timeless_mbp> lcuk: the browser is really the best portable browser i've ever used | 19:57 |
| lcuk | <timeless_mbp> and it really isn't because it's something i work on, it really is great | 19:57 |
| lcuk | that do? | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 19:57 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: yep | 19:57 |
| timeless_mbp | s/_mbp// | 19:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | g | 19:57 |
| lcuk | k | 19:57 |
| Jaffa | It assumes the "idiocy of crowds" and the "race to mediocrity" are positive things; over the "opinion of experts" | 19:57 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 19:57 | |
| timeless_mbp | we had a bug complaining that saving files as .se didn't do the right thing | 19:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, haha | 19:58 |
| timeless_mbp | s/se/es/ | 19:58 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: we had a bug complaining that saving files as .es didn't do the right thing | 19:58 |
| timeless_mbp | no explanation of what the right thing was, or where to get the .es file, but... | 19:58 |
| timeless_mbp | it turned out that the build being tested was kinda generally broken wrt. saving files | 19:58 |
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| Jaffa | And the standard answer of "raise it in Brainstorm" is infuriating. | 19:59 |
| lcuk | jaffa - you too :P http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=354160 | 19:59 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: yeah, i don't really think brainstorm is the right answer | 19:59 |
| timeless_mbp | the problem is that i don't want people from the community dictating solutions | 19:59 |
| timeless_mbp | if they insist on dictating, let them try in brainstorm | 19:59 |
| timeless_mbp | where someone can ignore them, or reprogram them on their own time | 19:59 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: I'm not sure what the *question* is to which "brainstorm" is the answer. | 19:59 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not sure there is one | 20:00 |
| timeless_mbp | except "how to get people to stop bothering engineers" | 20:00 |
| Jaffa | But then I never did, and assumed that the people who wanted it had one. | 20:00 |
| timeless_mbp | or "how to make people feel happy" | 20:00 |
| timeless_mbp | note, at least you guys get brainstorm | 20:00 |
| lcuk | bubble wrap | 20:00 |
| timeless_mbp | internally we just get deaf ears | 20:00 |
| frals | brainstorm is an awesome word at least | 20:00 |
| lcuk | make a screen full of bubble wrap, and let people think they are involved | 20:00 |
| timeless_mbp | "what's the procedure for requesting something?" "there isn't one, you have to be a customer" | 20:01 |
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| Stskeeps | lo pancake | 20:01 |
| timeless_mbp | "how long does it take customer feedback to be heard?" "a few years, minimum" | 20:01 |
| pancake | why are the repository.maemo.org/dists/{fremantle|maemo5*} repos restricted? | 20:01 |
| pancake | im not able to get glib-dev or any other package for the sdk | 20:01 |
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| pancake | apt-get update fails | 20:01 |
| timeless_mbp | pancake: did you specify sdk? | 20:01 |
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| pancake | yup | 20:02 |
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| Stskeeps | pancake: repository.maemo.org/pool | 20:02 |
| pancake | http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/sdk/ | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | the repos themselves shouldn't be restricted | 20:02 |
| lcuk | yayyyy jaffa | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | i think you might be experiencing a mix with the token system | 20:02 |
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| pancake | the <maemo5 are working, but >=maemo5 fail with dirlisting denied | 20:02 |
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| lcuk | have you got a device yet Stskeeps | 20:02 |
| timeless_mbp | http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/sdk/free/binary-armel/Release | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | a n900? of course | 20:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | that repo seems to work | 20:03 |
| * w00t stalks Stskeeps for his n900 | 20:03 | |
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| timeless_mbp | http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/sdk/free/binary-armel/Packages | 20:04 |
| timeless_mbp | also works | 20:04 |
| timeless_mbp | just use the sdk/free thing like apt does | 20:04 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, the thread i am spamming :P | 20:04 |
| pancake | i just untarballed the sdk rootstrap, chroot into it, and type apt-get update. something is wrong, because the network works, but it gets stucked at 16% after Ignoring the first repo which checks for Release.gpg | 20:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | cosmo, reping? | 20:06 |
| pancake | after a while i get FATAL -> could not set nonblocking flag . bad file descriptor. method http has died unexpectedly | 20:06 |
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| Stskeeps | pancake: hmm, how does your sources list show? | 20:08 |
| GAN900 | Actually, can we kill any references to Third Party software in the update applet string-side? | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | there was an issue with the akamai mirrors earlier | 20:08 |
| timeless_mbp | pancake: i'd try setting up a caching proxy and point my scratchbox to it | 20:08 |
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| pancake | is the default one..uhm, maybe that wifi is proxying me | 20:09 |
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| pancake | http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0712.1/2130.html <- seems related | 20:12 |
| timeless_mbp | pancake: well, if your kernel is broken, please don't blame us :) | 20:14 |
| * timeless_mbp is very helpful | 20:14 | |
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| pancake | my kernel is the shipped in the n900 one | 20:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: Talk awaits a person like you. Although the grammar-correcting side of you will be doing overtime... | 20:15 |
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| pancake | uhm...no, the system apt works fine | 20:15 |
| javispedro | grammar naaaaaaaazy it's called, you nitpicks. | 20:15 |
| pancake | but using the repos in the sdk fail | 20:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ~burn javispedro | 20:15 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over javispedro, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 20:15 | |
| pupnik | where did i nput adduser for n810... | 20:15 |
| pupnik | hi | 20:16 |
| timeless_mbp | pancake: try replacing your version of apt :) | 20:16 |
| javispedro | hi pupnik | 20:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | pupnik: hiya, adduser is in extras-devel | 20:16 |
| pupnik | so violent | 20:16 |
| pupnik | eh ok | 20:16 |
| pancake | oh :P stupid of me, i missed /dev :) | 20:16 |
| pancake | http://michael-prokop.at/blog/2007/10/27/could-not-set-non-blocking-flag/ | 20:16 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: in activity monitor, what does wired mean? i'm guessing "can't (or don't want to) swap out" | 20:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | 3gb of my 4gb of ram is wired here :( | 20:17 |
| javispedro | time to reboot. | 20:18 |
| pancake | yeah, now it works :) | 20:18 |
| pancake | sry for the noise | 20:18 |
| * javispedro hopes for n900 stress testing videos | 20:19 | |
| javispedro | more like destructive stress testing. | 20:19 |
| javispedro | any loaned n900 owner feeling lucky? >:) | 20:20 |
| lcuk | http://next.nokia.fi/laitteet/n900-meetup-live-stream/ | 20:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: I can get you one of a Palm | 20:20 |
| lcuk | nokia live event in the helsinki store | 20:20 |
| * javispedro is busy watching n97 stress test videos | 20:20 | |
| Ceron^ | why... | 20:21 |
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| wazd_ | ahaha, mario wallpaper :D | 20:21 |
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| |R | lcuk: at what time? :) | 20:22 |
| lcuk | now, live | 20:22 |
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| |R | lcuk: ah oops, had noscript removing the video ;) | 20:23 |
| * timeless sighs | 20:23 | |
| * timeless kicks entourage | 20:23 | |
| |R | why are they speaking english? :P | 20:23 |
| timeless | so people can understand them :) | 20:24 |
| RST38h | weird. OmWeather died. | 20:24 |
| RST38h | No longer finds any data sources | 20:24 |
| timeless | lcuk: why is that web page in finnish? | 20:25 |
| * timeless doesn't speak finnish | 20:25 | |
| lcuk | just watch jussi lol | 20:25 |
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| javispedro | timeless: well, it's only partly finnish here | 20:25 |
| lcuk | your browser is being demoed :P | 20:25 |
| gomiam | timeless: isn't finnish spoken like English... but backwards? ;) | 20:25 |
| timeless | you mean "Share and Enjoy" ? | 20:25 |
| timeless | gomiam: i suppose so | 20:25 |
| Meizirkki | Why are they speaking finenglish? :D | 20:25 |
| javispedro | and "Live stream from the N900..." | 20:26 |
| timeless | but w/o any intonation or punctuation | 20:26 |
| * RST38h moos at javis by the way | 20:26 | |
| javispedro | mario wallpaper! | 20:26 |
| javispedro | now I understand wazd lol | 20:26 |
| RST38h | where oh where? | 20:26 |
| javispedro | http://next.nokia.fi/laitteet/n900-meetup-live-stream/ | 20:26 |
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| javispedro | disable noscript and watch, it's live. | 20:26 |
| javispedro | quick | 20:26 |
| |R | zerojay will be happy haha ;) | 20:26 |
| timeless | my mac is too busy to let me watch | 20:26 |
| javispedro | you can play with the devices! | 20:27 |
| * javispedro teleports here | 20:27 | |
| javispedro | s/here/there | 20:27 |
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| RST38h | javis, should have teleported to the summit | 20:27 |
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| wazd_ | oh! | 20:27 |
| |R | haha man wtf... | 20:27 |
| wazd_ | DokSnes! :D | 20:27 |
| |R | is nokia showing pirated Roms ? | 20:27 |
| Meizirkki | O_o | 20:27 |
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| javispedro | man, I have to record this. | 20:27 |
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| RST38h | |R: Pirated roms running on somebody's open sourced emulator | 20:28 |
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| RST38h | Evil, pure evil | 20:28 |
| wazd_ | javispedro: and show for your kids! :D | 20:28 |
| |R | RST38h: haha :) | 20:28 |
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| Arkenklo | Evil is open source | 20:28 |
| javispedro | well, it doesn't lag that much. | 20:28 |
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| javispedro | (5 seconds left!) | 20:29 |
| javispedro | game over | 20:29 |
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| javispedro | see, drnoksnes is composited :) | 20:29 |
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| Meizirkki | who's the first to do "how many marios in the dashboard" stresstest? | 20:30 |
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| |R | haha | 20:30 |
| javispedro | Meizirkki: I can run 3 on N810 with each of them still playable | 20:30 |
| wazd_ | javispedro: looks like I've made artwork just in time :) | 20:30 |
| javispedro | then I have quite a bit shallow definition of "playable". | 20:30 |
| javispedro | wazd_, and I can't thank you enough for that! | 20:30 |
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| wazd_ | javispedro: ah, nothing to thank for actually :) Some arranged mario sprites :D | 20:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1342 | 20:32 |
| wazd_ | I wonder how Moscow n900 meeting will look like :D | 20:33 |
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| javispedro | wazd_: metroid instead of mario. | 20:33 |
| javispedro | joking, joking ;) | 20:33 |
| RST38h | wazd: Probably the same but in Russian | 20:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | wazd_: Imagine the people in the Helsinki ones, but with AKs | 20:33 |
| Arkenklo | in soviet russia, and so on and so forth | 20:33 |
| wazd_ | javispedro: there was a game on PSX called Crazy Ivan :D | 20:33 |
| Meizirkki | O_o | 20:33 |
| RST38h | wazd: Would be a bonus if there is Eldar's effigy to burn | 20:33 |
| RST38h | wazd: Actually, live Eldar will also do, for lynching etc | 20:34 |
| javispedro | well, I fscked my recording of that :( | 20:34 |
| javispedro | need more practice. | 20:34 |
| Meizirkki | ticket to what? | 20:34 |
| Ceron^ | WTF | 20:34 |
| Ceron^ | they are GIVING OUT n900 to ppl at altparty | 20:34 |
| Ceron^ | as price | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:34 |
| Ceron^ | UNFAIR ;___; | 20:34 |
| |R | indeed | 20:34 |
| Meizirkki | what? | 20:34 |
| * |R wants his frickin' n900 now :P | 20:35 | |
| Ceron^ | omg theyr giving out | 20:35 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: I mean, will there be Jussi and urho or just a bunch of brainless retards :) | 20:35 |
| * Meizirkki runs there | 20:35 | |
| Ceron^ | n900 at meetup @ helsinki flagship store | 20:35 |
| Ceron^ | !!!! | 20:35 |
| Ceron^ | right now | 20:35 |
| RST38h | Nokia marketing guy who came up with violet-on-red-strips theme for Comes With Music has to be severely punished, and firing will not be sufficient for all those hurt eyes | 20:35 |
| wazd_ | Ceron^: really? | 20:35 |
| Ceron^ | yeh | 20:35 |
| Ceron^ | they said they will give out prices | 20:35 |
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| Ceron^ | in an hour or so! | 20:35 |
| RST38h | wazd: Bunch of brainless retards, and I suppose we will register to be among them =) | 20:36 |
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| Ceron^ | that = n900 | 20:36 |
| timeless | wait | 20:36 |
| timeless | is that stream i just watched live? | 20:36 |
| Ceron^ | yeh | 20:36 |
| timeless | is it from the nokia store? can i walk in and play? | 20:36 |
| Ceron^ | its LIVE | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, "Live Stream" | 20:36 |
| Ceron^ | yeh | 20:36 |
| Ceron^ | its from helsinki flagstore | 20:36 |
| Ceron^ | but they have INVITE only today day | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, no, they have specific instructions to keep you out. | 20:36 |
| javispedro | timeless: it seems you really didn't notice the web is partly in english ;) | 20:36 |
| Ceron^ | so not everyone can go there | 20:36 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: haha | 20:36 |
| lcuk | prizes are 2 part, first an n900 SDK on cd which they have to make an app with. then if they complete that challenge they can have a go at winning an actual device | 20:36 |
| javispedro | else he will ruin the party with a comment about how font kerning sucks. | 20:36 |
| timeless | ceron: really invite only? | 20:36 |
| Ceron^ | yeh | 20:37 |
| Ceron^ | :( | 20:37 |
| Ceron^ | i tried to get invite | 20:37 |
| Ceron^ | but they did not respond | 20:37 |
| RST38h | lcuk: 90% of them are probably bloggers =) | 20:37 |
| RST38h | lcuk: can't make shit | 20:37 |
| lcuk | isnt that the normal requirement for an ifart app? | 20:37 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: ooooh shit, bloggers... | 20:37 |
| |R | no flagship store in Montreal, booo ! | 20:37 |
| javispedro | RST38h: but, Gtk+ is easy to develop! | 20:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, bloggers are exceptionally good at making shit. ;) | 20:37 |
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| lcuk | i want to take a photo | 20:37 |
| lcuk | draw some boxes | 20:37 |
| lcuk | and make an app | 20:37 |
| lcuk | and im not far away | 20:37 |
| javispedro | lcuk: write a vb interpreter in arm | 20:37 |
| * lcuk nods | 20:38 | |
| lcuk | the parser is already there | 20:38 |
| lcuk | i did that months ago | 20:38 |
| lcuk | i just wrote a .frm parser too | 20:38 |
| lcuk | for the layouts | 20:38 |
| javispedro | in fact, you can take many of the ole32 and automation stuff from wine | 20:38 |
| RST38h | General: Ok, I stand corrected =) | 20:38 |
| javispedro | btw, did i mention here there was a flurry of patches about wine arm support? | 20:38 |
| lcuk | good | 20:38 |
| RST38h | Python isn't good for you? Why VB? | 20:39 |
| timeless | javispedro: so we can run all of the crappy wince/winmo apps? | 20:39 |
| lcuk | javispedro, the presentation part of liqbase is dynamically loaded vb :$ | 20:39 |
| timeless | sounds great, i'm looking forward to it | 20:39 |
| javispedro | timeless: first step would be arm winelib | 20:39 |
| * timeless kicks entourage, "stop beach balling" | 20:39 | |
| |R | wasn't there something special coming on the 23 ? | 20:39 |
| |R | Or is that just a number stock on the back of my head ... | 20:39 |
| javispedro | so that you get to compile a win32 app into an elf armel binary. | 20:39 |
| Ceron^ | lcuk: soo how about a developer discount for us all | 20:40 |
| timeless | javispedro: fennec-win32-armel :) | 20:40 |
| javispedro | lcuk: dinamically loaded? O.o | 20:40 |
| javispedro | timeless: don't hope for the kerning to be any better in winelib ;) | 20:40 |
| timeless | javispedro: in this case, the problem is a design issue in gecko | 20:40 |
| RST38h | Gentlemen, could somebody tell me what Open Arena is? | 20:40 |
| lcuk | javispedro, parsed from the .vbp and .frm files at runtime | 20:40 |
| timeless | so, the kerning wouldn't improve :( | 20:41 |
| * timeless asked about it | 20:41 | |
| lcuk | the presentatino itself just gets copied over to device atm | 20:41 |
| RST38h | (in terms understandable by a cow of course) | 20:41 |
| lcuk | no code running behind it tho | 20:41 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, http://liqbase.net/liqbase_presentation_vb.png | 20:41 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: moo moo moo | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, it's an open content Q3 clone. | 20:41 |
| RST38h | shit, have to be careful what I wish for next time... | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, meaning you don't have to buy the Quake 3 content to play it. | 20:41 |
| RST38h | General: Does it work well on n900? Worth installing 280+MB? =) | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haven't tried it. | 20:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's still ioquake3 | 20:42 |
| lcuk | timeless, if its a gecko problem, does it exist in desktop? | 20:42 |
| RST38h | Ah, just different maps? | 20:42 |
| timeless | lcuk: it exists in fennec | 20:42 |
| Ceron^ | lcuk: are you at nokia flagship store? | 20:42 |
| lcuk | Ceron^, no | 20:42 |
| timeless | it'd exist in desktop firefox if you had an extension that behaved like microb/fennec | 20:42 |
| lcuk | im at home | 20:42 |
| timeless | but normally they don't | 20:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, everything that id has copyright on they've replaced. | 20:42 |
| lcuk | eating chips n gravy | 20:42 |
| Ceron^ | lcuk: tought you were going to present your liqbase next | 20:43 |
| lcuk | timeless, but i can scalezoom with mouse wheel | 20:43 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: you are a genius lol | 20:43 |
| lcuk | Ceron^ waiting for london | 20:43 |
| timeless | lcuk: desktop gecko doesn't use canvas for painting | 20:43 |
| lcuk | and im at barcamp on saturday | 20:43 |
| timeless | so it's a slightly different codepath | 20:43 |
| lcuk | ahhh timeless | 20:43 |
| lcuk | ok i understand | 20:43 |
| timeless | or perhaps, entirely different | 20:43 |
| lcuk | lol javispedro thanks | 20:43 |
| timeless | anyway, that's my understanding | 20:44 |
| lcuk | but being a genius seems to have its drawbacks | 20:44 |
| SpeedEvil | has anyone done any openstreetmap related stuff yet that is ported to the n900? | 20:44 |
| lcuk | osm2go | 20:44 |
| lcuk | open street maps editor demoed to amazing effect by till at the summit | 20:44 |
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| lcuk | part of fremantle stars program | 20:44 |
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| hardaker | OSM rocks. | 20:44 |
| * hardaker waits patiently for his N900 so he can try it on the N900 | 20:45 | |
| Mousey | lol | 20:45 |
| lcuk | javispedro, im tempted to reexamine gambas | 20:45 |
| lcuk | to use as the code engine | 20:46 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Interesting. I've mapped some of my surrounding area - but I have missed many names. | 20:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Mmm . . . chips n gravy sounds good. | 20:46 |
| lcuk | either that or ask bill to help make an open source basic parser (something he is good at!) after all, its his baby | 20:46 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: It'd be lovely if it'd support bluetooth headsets to add voice notes to GPS tracks | 20:46 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, it was great! | 20:46 |
| lcuk | nice idea | 20:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you take a picture of it for Maemo EATS!? ;) | 20:46 |
| lcuk | i keep wanting to shout "pothole" | 20:47 |
| lcuk | when driving down the road | 20:47 |
| lcuk | and have it marked on maps for other drivers | 20:47 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i cant | 20:47 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Do that right, and you can upload a list to your local council | 20:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, oh? | 20:47 |
| lcuk | yeah | 20:47 |
| lcuk | no flickr acocunt | 20:47 |
| lcuk | account even | 20:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, they're free. :P | 20:47 |
| SpeedEvil | They're free if you don't use them much | 20:47 |
| lcuk | but they dont like sketches | 20:47 |
| lcuk | or notes | 20:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Also flicker blows. | 20:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: those are fine AIUI - but you have to tag them as not photos | 20:48 |
| * lcuk ponders twitsketch | 20:48 | |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, they are vector | 20:48 |
| lcuk | converted on my server to svg | 20:48 |
| lcuk | but remain as raw sketches | 20:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - I see. | 20:48 |
| lcuk | contains more info than svg i believe | 20:48 |
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| lcuk | (time and pressure info) | 20:48 |
| lcuk | but without the svg mona lisa problem :) | 20:49 |
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| Ceron^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uoM5kfZIQ0&fmt=18 CSI at its best | 20:52 |
| nnod | thp: gpodder on fremantle is looking great, nice work | 20:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ah yes - the ever popular camera with no noise and infinite zoomability. | 20:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, what, you don't have one? | 20:55 |
| javispedro | and what about the omnipotent VB GUI? | 20:55 |
| SpeedEvil | To be fair, some TV producers just need stabbed in the face. | 20:55 |
| lcuk | mmm ceron^ | 20:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Actually, that's inaccurate. | 20:55 |
| lcuk | it wouldv worked and been taken seriously if it was on n900! | 20:55 |
| SpeedEvil | A few TV producers don't need stabbed in the face. | 20:55 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, you mean your camera cant do that? | 20:56 |
| javispedro | ALL of them need continuous stabbing. | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: there is some good stuff. Little. But some. | 20:56 |
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| javispedro | the only good stuff is the one from that one who said something along the lines of "On this series, spaceships go at the speed of plot. Period." | 20:57 |
| javispedro | dunno his name | 20:57 |
| javispedro | (and his series lol) | 20:57 |
| SpeedEvil | I would guess it to be grant/naylor productions and Red Dwarf | 20:58 |
| SpeedEvil | You should at least know what physics/chemistry/... you are violating. | 20:58 |
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| javispedro | oh, they're going to publish a video of the event | 20:59 |
| javispedro | :) | 20:59 |
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| Ceron^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU&feature=rec-LGOUT-exp_fresh+div-HM <- this is even better | 21:01 |
| Ceron^ | csi | 21:01 |
| bratag | Nt sure if this is the forum for it - but can anyone tell me if the nokia Qt install has support for qt3 legacy if I use qt3to4 ? | 21:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 21:02 |
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| javispedro | best youtube comment ever: "The visual basic is very good for the programs to track the ip addresses. I have written this in the visual basic, and it is perfect language for this job, for it has the optional parameters." | 21:02 |
| javispedro | the sarcasm meter overflows and goes back to 0 | 21:03 |
| javispedro | due to the grammar errors mostly. | 21:03 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Windows 7: Hollywood edition | 21:03 |
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| * javispedro feels an urge to revisit tv tropes again but knows that would mean wasted afternoon | 21:04 | |
| lcuk | on a scale of 0 to 10, how much chance would i have of even getting a reply if i wrote an open letter to bill gates asking for a proper integrated port of visual basic classic. | 21:04 |
| lcuk | actual serious question since ive done what i have so far | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | -1337 | 21:04 |
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| javispedro | SpeedEvil: you won me | 21:04 |
| lcuk | well hes out of the game for most things | 21:04 |
| lcuk | but he knows how to write a basic compiler! | 21:05 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: "serious question"?. Ha. | 21:05 |
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| lcuk | it gives a massive FU to google which microsoft could do with the boost for | 21:05 |
| SpeedEvil | massive? | 21:06 |
| javispedro | actually, if you were to have asked "[...] if i wrote an open letter to gates asking for him to throw me a cake on my face.", I would've say 2. | 21:06 |
| lcuk | to have maemo platform having microsoft tooling and takes emphasis away from android | 21:06 |
| SpeedEvil | It's supplied as a 56M patch which flashes WinCE to the n900. | 21:07 |
| lcuk | just a thought anyway | 21:07 |
| lcuk | lol | 21:07 |
| Ceron^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFUlAQZB9Ng&feature=related | 21:07 |
| lcuk | wince is only 56m | 21:07 |
| Ceron^ | i never surfed this much youtube.. must be the n900 making me crazy | 21:08 |
| javispedro | Horatio Cane is Miami's equivalent to Batman | 21:08 |
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| javispedro | (not mine -- tv troper's quote) | 21:09 |
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| * timeless sighs | 21:10 | |
| bratag | well I guess I can assume noone knows | 21:10 |
| woglinde | hi | 21:10 |
| timeless | we went out to buy drinks (Tropicana OJ), and when I came back, Entourage gave me a database error and then Quit | 21:10 |
| javispedro | bratag: simplify your question. ask if libqt4-qt3support lib exists. | 21:11 |
| bratag | It exists | 21:11 |
| lcuk | timeless, next time satisfy the computer with vodka | 21:11 |
| lcuk | it wont reboot then | 21:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ew, Tropicana. | 21:11 |
| bratag | however its a sym link to a file that doesnt | 21:11 |
| lcuk | errr crash | 21:11 |
| bratag | so either I have a bad install | 21:11 |
| javispedro | bratag: you have a proto to test? | 21:11 |
| bratag | or its not supported | 21:12 |
| timeless | lcuk: You trealize that Bill Gates isn't part of Microsoft anymore, right? | 21:12 |
| bratag | no using the emulator | 21:12 |
| lcuk | yeah | 21:12 |
| lcuk | thats why he might agree | 21:12 |
| timeless | s/t// | 21:12 |
| infobot | timeless meant: lcuk: You realize that Bill Gates isn't part of Microsoft anymore, right? | 21:12 |
| * timeless sighs | 21:12 | |
| javispedro | well, my sbox got stuck for the rest of the day. | 21:12 |
| lcuk | sitting behind his 640k machine and having to optimize everything, this device will bring back all those memories | 21:12 |
| timeless | the amount of time that it takes for Entourage to launch here is awful | 21:12 |
| bratag | I am just getting into the whle Qt thing and would prefer my first port to be simplier than me having to rewrite a qt3 app into qt4 | 21:12 |
| timeless | well, at least i can consitently kill entourage | 21:13 |
| lcuk | bratag, are they that incompatible? | 21:13 |
| timeless | is that a good thing? | 21:13 |
| bratag | very much so | 21:13 |
| javispedro | loaner n900 owners: check if libQt3Support.so.4 exists, or if a qt4 packaging talking about "support" and "3" exists. | 21:13 |
| javispedro | s/packaging/package | 21:14 |
| fiferboy_ | libQt3Support exists | 21:14 |
| cosmo | GeneralAntilles: repong | 21:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | cosmo, apparently driving is a lot faster than taking the trains to LA. | 21:15 |
| javispedro | fiferboy: if it's a symlink, check it's not pointing to a missing file. | 21:15 |
| cosmo | oh, is it? | 21:15 |
| Xisdibik | GeneralAntilles, from where? | 21:15 |
| timeless | fiferboy: use dpkg -S | 21:15 |
| timeless | which package contains it? | 21:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Xisdibik, SF. | 21:15 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: Are you talking about on the device by default? | 21:15 |
| timeless | because it certainly isn't on my old system :) | 21:16 |
| javispedro | fiferboy: yeah, whatever Nokia ships. | 21:16 |
| woglinde | lcuk I prefer rewriting to qt4 | 21:16 |
| woglinde | shoulnd be that hard | 21:16 |
| Xisdibik | GeneralAntilles, driving to LA from here takes a good 6 hours, or more depending if your going to the opposite side of LA | 21:16 |
| fiferboy | Nokia only ships the core Qt libraries, nothing gui | 21:16 |
| Xisdibik | brb | 21:16 |
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| cosmo | btw we discussed about the travel route and going to LA is not necessary for anyone | 21:16 |
| Xisdibik | back | 21:16 |
| fiferboy | I'm just building the full suite of libraries, and qt3 support definitely gets built | 21:16 |
| timeless | the libraries we ship are part of some mail related backend fwiw | 21:16 |
| bratag | libQt3Support is part of the default qt4 libs | 21:16 |
| timeless | iirc it was for mfe or sync or something | 21:16 |
| fiferboy | timeless: I was wondering what the cores were used for | 21:16 |
| bratag | however I am not sure its included with nokias version | 21:16 |
| Xisdibik | cosmo: i agree, who would wanna go to LA, especially if they are in SF SF>LA ;) | 21:16 |
| cosmo | actually i don't know any other things in LA except the hollywood sign and walk of fame :-) | 21:17 |
| * lcuk would love to spend some time browsing through the qt libs | 21:17 | |
| lcuk | hacking back at everything | 21:17 |
| timeless | fiferboy: dpkg -S + apt-cache rdepends or something :) | 21:17 |
| bratag | so I should build my qt from scratch .... sigh | 21:17 |
| lcuk | bratag, sounds like you are having to | 21:17 |
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| javispedro | nope. | 21:17 |
| lcuk | wont some of it just work | 21:17 |
| woglinde | bratag hm yes then you could use the cool ui features | 21:17 |
| Xisdibik | so GeneralAntilles who lives in SF? | 21:18 |
| javispedro | ok, I unstuck my stuck sbox | 21:18 |
| fiferboy | There is a Qt sprint going on right now to get everything in shape in 4.5.3 for the N900 | 21:18 |
| bratag | I am planning on using qt - was just hoping I could port this qt3 app without having to get right into it ... sort of ease into qt coding | 21:18 |
| lcuk | :) fiferboy | 21:18 |
| bratag | bugger it - will just write from scratch | 21:18 |
| woglinde | bratag there are some tools and tutorila from nokia/qt how to do the transition | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Xisdibik, nobody at the moment. ;) | 21:18 |
| bratag | can you point please | 21:19 |
| timeless | /var/lib/dpkg/status | 21:19 |
| bratag | I found some | 21:19 |
| fiferboy | bratag: I don't have any experience with the qt3support functionality, but you probably are better off writing it in Qt4 | 21:19 |
| bratag | however they all ref qt3to4 | 21:19 |
| javispedro | bratag: | 21:19 |
| cosmo | GeneralAntilles: so you think we won't miss anything if we skip LA? | 21:19 |
| javispedro | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > ls -sh /usr/lib/libQt3Support.so.4.5.3 | 21:19 |
| javispedro | 3.6M /usr/lib/libQt3Support.so.4.5.3 | 21:19 |
| * GeneralAntilles is in Florida laughing at timeless's poor choice in orange juice. | 21:19 | |
| Xisdibik | GeneralAntilles: except me ;) | 21:19 |
| lcuk | "bugger it" bratag you from uk? | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | cosmo, it's been a really long time since I've been to LA. | 21:19 |
| timeless | gan: do you realize what my options are here? | 21:19 |
| bratag | I have that liv javis | 21:19 |
| woglinde | bratag -> http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/porting4.html | 21:19 |
| Xisdibik | cosmo: LA is bad, especially without a car | 21:19 |
| bratag | just not in my scratchbox | 21:19 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Don't you live near Tropicana Field? ;) | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, clearly not Florida roadside. :D | 21:19 |
| timeless | the alternative is orange colored sugar water | 21:19 |
| bratag | so I can get it ported in regular linux | 21:19 |
| javispedro | bratag: apt-get install libqt4-qt3support | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, minutes away, and I know exactly how bad their orange juice is. :D | 21:19 |
| timeless | with some really messed up sugar levels and some strange acids | 21:20 |
| javispedro | bratag: INSIDE scratchbox of course. | 21:20 |
| fiferboy | Better than Minute Maid | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | cosmo, I generally prefer the SF thing, though. | 21:20 |
| cosmo | ok | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | cosmo, museums and cool outdoors stuff is more my style. | 21:20 |
| bratag | natch :) | 21:20 |
| Xisdibik | almost anything is better than minute maid lol | 21:20 |
| timeless | SF thing? | 21:20 |
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| timeless | how about Minute Maid? | 21:20 |
| Xisdibik | San Francisco Thing | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, urgh. | 21:20 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: I remember driving to Florida as a kid, and as soon as we crossed the border we would get fresh Florida orange juice | 21:20 |
| bratag | trust me - my next project will be all qt4 | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, the SF tourist offerings compared to LA. | 21:20 |
| bratag | but I want to walk before run | 21:20 |
| Xisdibik | GeneralAntilles: bring your n900 next time you come to SF... and come soon ;) | 21:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, there's nothing better than a glass of fresh Florida orange juice. | 21:21 |
| woglinde | bratag are using ui aruff? | 21:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Xisdibik, probably wont be until next summer. :P | 21:21 |
| woglinde | args stzff | 21:21 |
| woglinde | args stuff | 21:21 |
| cosmo | fiferboy: we were in florida last january and the oranges were really bad. i guess it wasn't the season. | 21:21 |
| fiferboy | Surprisingly, everywhere I had orange juice in Amsterdam (except the hotel) did a fresh squeeze right in the restaurant... | 21:21 |
| Xisdibik | GeneralAntilles, well i will hopefully have my n900 before then... pray so at least lol | 21:21 |
| bratag | not sure I understand the Q wog | 21:22 |
| fiferboy | cosmo: Maybe you just hit a bad stand ;) | 21:22 |
| cosmo | Xisdibik: i'm coming 27.12 with my n900 | 21:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | cosmo, winter's hard on oranges. | 21:22 |
| Xisdibik | cosmo: my n900 should hopefully be there before then too lol | 21:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | cosmo, often they're California imports at that time of year. | 21:22 |
| cosmo | fiferboy: nope, even in shops they were really bad quality | 21:22 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: I'm coming to Florida in Feb - I like your winter weather | 21:22 |
| Xisdibik | my gf is coming from japan on 24.12 ;) | 21:22 |
| woglinde | bratag I am making the gui with qt-designer and then using the .ui files | 21:22 |
| * GeneralAntilles does too. | 21:22 | |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, where you going? | 21:22 |
| timeless | fiferboy: are you really that old? :b | 21:22 |
| frals | doh, did anyone capture the stream from helsinki flagship store? | 21:22 |
| bratag | I will be for my next project | 21:23 |
| fiferboy | timeless: Not yet, I just go for a week | 21:23 |
| bratag | for this one however I am simply trying to port over a qt3 app | 21:23 |
| fiferboy | Working my way up to 6-monthes | 21:23 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Orlando | 21:23 |
| timeless | btw, did anyone explain *why* the flagship store had n900s on show tonight? | 21:23 |
| bratag | so no real gui stuff to do from new | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, doing the theme park thing or what? | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'cause Orlanda is the worst otherwise. ;) | 21:23 |
| timeless | s/on show/[on display|for show]/ | 21:23 |
| infobot | timeless meant: btw, did anyone explain *why* the flagship store had n900s [on display|for show] tonight? | 21:23 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Yup. My three-year-old loves it | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/Orlanda/Orlando/ | 21:23 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: 'cause Orlando is the worst otherwise. ;) | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, that makes sense then. | 21:23 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, I will stay out of the city | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Winter's the time to do. | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Orlando is oppressive during the Summer. | 21:24 |
| timeless | GAN: DC isn't much better :) | 21:24 |
| fiferboy | I'm surprised more Floridians don't summer up in Canada :) | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, sadly that's true. | 21:24 |
| timeless | fiferboy: truth be told, Toronto isn't much better | 21:25 |
| timeless | the east coast gets pretty much the same summer weather all the way up and down | 21:25 |
| fiferboy | Maybe not Toronto, but there are nice places a few hours North | 21:25 |
| timeless | (hurricanes can come up to the DC area and further north) | 21:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, as long as you're on the coast Summers in Florida are bearable. | 21:25 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: You are never far from the coast in Florida, are you? :P | 21:26 |
| timeless | gan: not a fan of the everglades in the summer? :) | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Having grown up here the heat and humidity don't really bother me. | 21:26 |
| RST38h | lucky | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, depends on what I'm doing. ;) | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't even move up north, though, because the winters will kill me. | 21:26 |
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| fiferboy | I would love to spend a week bird watching in Florida, but my vacation plans don't allow it at this stage :( | 21:26 |
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| RST38h | heating things is cheaper and simpler than cooling things | 21:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: Eh? Bird watching can be done anywhere... | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, meh. | 21:27 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12_N810: Depends on the birds :P | 21:27 |
| RST38h | so, winter prospects look much brighter to me =) | 21:27 |
| * timeless sighs | 21:27 | |
| timeless | entourage is so slow | 21:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: Exactly :p | 21:27 |
| timeless | anyone have a mail client that doesn't suck? | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I don't mind sweating. Freezing to death isn't something I can handle. | 21:28 |
| RST38h | FL, on the other hand....well, as long as you are at the coast (like 100 meters from the coast), it is fine | 21:28 |
| fiferboy | Lots of White Ibis and Wood Storks and things on the way from the air port | 21:28 |
| RST38h | General: You just wear more clothing :) | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, anywhere within a few miles of the coast usually gets a good seabreeze. | 21:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, take heed http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=354347 | 21:30 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, was it you doing birdwatching in amsterdam? :D | 21:30 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Of course. I got six or so new birds | 21:30 |
| timeless | gan: btw, did maemo.nokia.com's content improve any? | 21:30 |
| timeless | someone tried to tell me that they took my feedback into account | 21:31 |
| timeless | but i'm not sure i want to look again :) | 21:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, I haven't looked. | 21:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, neither do I. :D | 21:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, the browser page doesn't mention Firefox. | 21:31 |
| timeless | it used to, right? | 21:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 21:32 |
| timeless | progress!@ | 21:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Mozilla engine" | 21:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Mozilla technology" | 21:32 |
| timeless | sounds good enough to me | 21:32 |
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| wiretapped | it says "fast Mozilla engine" | 21:32 |
| wiretapped | is that accurate? | 21:32 |
| wiretapped | ;) | 21:32 |
| timeless | the engine is fast, the host isn't | 21:33 |
| timeless | don't blame the host :) | 21:33 |
| timeless | err | 21:33 |
| wiretapped | "just like a browser on your home computer" ? | 21:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Only if browserd isn't used. Although, on the N900, I must say, it isn't a PITA any more | 21:33 |
| timeless | don't blame the guest for faults in the host :) | 21:33 |
| timeless | wiretapped: my home computer is crawling | 21:33 |
| * wiretapped programs his home computer | 21:33 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somehow Flash still manages to bring a dual E5520 to its knees every so often. | 21:33 |
| timeless | in fact, it took much longer for Entourage to start on this MacBook Pro than even Nokia Maps does on my n900 | 21:34 |
| * wiretapped beams himself in to the future | 21:34 | |
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| timeless | people who have seen nokia maps start will understand ... | 21:34 |
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| * timeless sighs as Entourage continues to beach ball | 21:35 | |
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| timeless | at least Entourage can remind me of Summer :) | 21:35 |
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| wiretapped | http://maemo.nokia.com/images/uploads/entry-media/panorama-desktop-customize.jpg | 21:35 |
| wiretapped | fancy stuff !! | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Forum Nokia is sure taking its time with these discount codes. | 21:37 |
| timeless | that's fake, sadly | 21:37 |
| wiretapped | i figured. | 21:37 |
| timeless | you switch desktops laterally not vertically | 21:37 |
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| timeless | there is an animation, and it isn't too bad | 21:38 |
| penguinbait | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=354364#post354364 | 21:38 |
| timeless | unless you select just the right wallpaper | 21:38 |
| penguinbait | qwerty12_N810, there's your opportunity | 21:38 |
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| acidjazz | Davis: Hello Sachin, the N900 has been pushed back to Mid November. Would you like to pre-order? | 21:59 |
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| Ceron^ | http://www.hilavitkutin.com/2009/10/20/nortein-kosintatapa/ how to marry someone | 22:05 |
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| kleetus | trying to apt-update in scratchbox within the FREMANTLE_X86 target and getting 404's from http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/sources/binary-386/Packages.gz | 22:10 |
| kleetus | this works fine in the ARMEL target | 22:10 |
| kleetus | do I need to specify something different in my /etc/apt/sources.list? | 22:11 |
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| Woolly | jeremiah: ping! | 22:11 |
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| jeremiah | Woolly: pong! | 22:13 |
| Woolly | jeremiah: do you have any referral codes for linode? If so, would we be able to get a mutual discount? | 22:13 |
| jeremiah | I don't have one off of the top of my head. But I'll check. | 22:14 |
| Woolly | cool | 22:14 |
| Woolly | jeremiah: I'm just jumping home, be back in 5 mins | 22:14 |
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| jeremiah | Woolly: right | 22:14 |
| jeremiah | kleetus: There were network issues earlier, but your problem sounds different. | 22:14 |
| jeremiah | kleetus: Not sure why that is happening. | 22:14 |
| jeremiah | did you do 'apt-get update'? | 22:14 |
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| Stskeeps | lo wazd | 22:15 |
| pupnik | very interestiong - surge / lection | 22:15 |
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| kleetus | yes....this is where I am getting the 404's from the repositories. I am sure it is something dumb | 22:15 |
| jeremiah | kleetus: what is 404ing? | 22:16 |
| jeremiah | Is it nokia's repos or maemo.org's? | 22:16 |
| penguinbait | kleetus, did you run it more than once? | 22:16 |
| kleetus | maemo.org | 22:17 |
| pupnik | any word on when we can reflash n900? | 22:17 |
| kleetus | yes I ran it several times | 22:17 |
| penguinbait | I had wierd problems first time, then it just worked the second time? | 22:17 |
| pupnik | govt spyware proxy error phps | 22:17 |
| kleetus | i am just starting to look at the sdk today, I really need to get started...beyond the maemo site, where is a good place for new comers to the maemo sdk's? | 22:18 |
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| jeremiah | kleetus: Well, the sdk is really something to work around. | 22:20 |
| kleetus | jeremiah: do you mean that it is more of a hindrance than a help to getting things done? | 22:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | pupnik: my guess is not for a bit | 22:22 |
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| jeremiah | kleetus: Some people definitely think so | 22:23 |
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| jeremiah | kleetus: The key is, if you develop on linux, then you won't really have any problem developing for Maemo | 22:23 |
| jeremiah | It is nearly a full linux environment | 22:24 |
| jeremiah | And scratchbox tries to abstract away the missing bits | 22:24 |
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| jeremiah | So you can just fire up emacs (or vi) and start writing code. | 22:24 |
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| luke-jr | what about nano?! | 22:24 |
| kleetus | jeremiah: shoot....I have been stuck in the window mobile world for so long that I forgot that one could just write and compile the code for that target | 22:25 |
| jeremiah | nano is slightly better than vi. | 22:25 |
| jeremiah | But only because it is not modal. | 22:25 |
| jeremiah | </religion> | 22:26 |
| jeremiah | kleetus: Welcome to ease of use and freedom! :) | 22:26 |
| kleetus | jeremiah: can you undo in nano? | 22:26 |
| jeremiah | Damn good question. :) | 22:26 |
| kleetus | jeremiah: never did see that in the man page | 22:26 |
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| jeremiah | No idea since my finger only understand emacs | 22:26 |
| Woolly | jeremiah: ping | 22:26 |
| jeremiah | Woolly: pong | 22:26 |
| Woolly | emacs: sick in mouth | 22:27 |
| jeremiah | 2bf6f2cc5f54910a4e822c2b292e10c4cd25751c | 22:27 |
| Woolly | jeremiah: how did the referral code search go? | 22:27 |
| jeremiah | ^^ see above :] | 22:27 |
| Woolly | so I have to use that? | 22:27 |
| Woolly | (Y) | 22:27 |
| jeremiah | But - it only works for me, not for you. :( | 22:27 |
| jeremiah | That is to say, I save money, but you don't. | 22:27 |
| jeremiah | So use it if you want to - but you don't have to | 22:28 |
| Woolly | that's fine, I might as well use it, as not use it! | 22:28 |
| jeremiah | :) | 22:29 |
| jeremiah | ~Woolly++ | 22:29 |
| Woolly | let me know whether the discount is applied or not :) | 22:29 |
| jeremiah | Will do | 22:29 |
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| luke-jr | jeremiah: Woolly: Linode ftl ;) | 22:32 |
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| Woolly | luke-jr: why ftl? | 22:34 |
| luke-jr | Woolly: Xen-based, and expensive. | 22:34 |
| Woolly | luke-jr: a) problems with Xen? b) cheaper alternative? | 22:34 |
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| luke-jr | a) Xen has overhead, b) my hosting :p | 22:34 |
| luke-jr | http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/?page=vps | 22:35 |
| * w00t hugs his dedi | 22:35 | |
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| * luke-jr uses his dedi to host VPS :p | 22:35 | |
| w00t | my dedi is dedi, to me :P | 22:35 |
| Woolly | I dont think I can afford a dedi | 22:35 |
| luke-jr | Woolly: my VPS hosting starts at $11/mo | 22:36 |
| luke-jr | :) | 22:36 |
| Woolly | I'm UK based ;) | 22:36 |
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| luke-jr | Woolly: well, I "offer" UK VPS, but I'll have to find a UK dedi to set it up on :p | 22:36 |
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| luke-jr | curiously, I haven't come across a good deal there yet, though I haven't had reason to look | 22:37 |
| Woolly | haha, that was with reference to the dollar sign | 22:37 |
| luke-jr | Woolly: oh | 22:37 |
| Woolly | I dont mind if it's on a US server :D | 22:37 |
| luke-jr | €9 / £8 then | 22:37 |
| luke-jr | :p | 22:37 |
| luke-jr | but that's without IPv4, note | 22:37 |
| luke-jr | IPv4 address is (currency)2 more/mo | 22:38 |
| jeremiah | ftl? | 22:38 |
| jeremiah | FTW! | 22:38 |
| Woolly | jeremiah: lol, late to the party :D | 22:38 |
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| jeremiah | *sigh* | 22:38 |
| Macer | ladededa | 22:39 |
| Macer | waiting on an ubuntu download for the tb | 22:39 |
| Macer | at least mer ran on it | 22:39 |
| Macer | that is promising | 22:39 |
| luke-jr | jeremiah: read up. you're paying more for inferior service :p | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | it's promising other OS'es can run on it. | 22:39 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: that too | 22:39 |
| jeremiah | luke-jr: So you say, but I have had a really good experience with those guys | 22:39 |
| Macer | but then again. is there a problem running other OSes on a smartq? | 22:39 |
| Macer | or n8x0? ;) | 22:40 |
| luke-jr | Macer: N8x0, yes | 22:40 |
| jeremiah | They have awesome support. | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | no, but there's open* devices | 22:40 |
| Macer | heh | 22:40 |
| jeremiah | Plus I can reach them 24/7 on IRC | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | they're | 22:40 |
| jeremiah | Which is worth money | 22:40 |
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| Macer | isn't the tb too? | 22:40 |
| luke-jr | jeremiah: well, I'm smaller so I'm not on IRC 24/7 :p | 22:40 |
| Macer | i figured the tb was probably one of the most open devices out there | 22:40 |
| luke-jr | jeremiah: I wouldn't use Xen regardless | 22:40 |
| Woolly | luke-jr: do you offer a 7-day money back guarantee? | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: per definition i would say it's open* year | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 22:41 |
| jeremiah | luke-jr: What do you use? KVM? | 22:41 |
| Macer | it's just a beagleboard in a box heh | 22:41 |
| jeremiah | lol | 22:41 |
| luke-jr | Woolly: not really, but if I know you're not out to scam me I usually can let you use it 7 days before paying me :p | 22:41 |
| Macer | * ? | 22:41 |
| luke-jr | jeremiah: KVM would be worse; I use OpenVZ | 22:41 |
| Macer | what's the * for ? :) | 22:41 |
| Woolly | luke-jr: fortunately, I'm not out to scam you :D | 22:41 |
| jeremiah | Why is kvm worse than OpenVZ? I'm not buying that. | 22:41 |
| luke-jr | Woolly: yeah, but I've had bad experience with random email customers :) | 22:42 |
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| jeremiah | You're starting to sound like you're selling something. | 22:42 |
| jeremiah | :) | 22:42 |
| luke-jr | Woolly: someone I meet on IRC gets more trust :p | 22:42 |
| Woolly | luke-jr: haha true :D | 22:42 |
| Macer | luke-jr: hahaha | 22:42 |
| Macer | good luck with that :) | 22:42 |
| luke-jr | jeremiah: KVM emulates hardware. Xen emulates the hardware stack. OpenVZ emulates nothing. | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: * = open according to http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Vendor_Social_Contract | 22:42 |
| * Macer starts sending luke-jr nigerian cousin e-mails | 22:42 | |
| Stskeeps | (that way i don't have to argue my definition of open.) | 22:42 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: so "open*" is utterly meaningless | 22:42 |
| jeremiah | luke-jr: Do you have a URL to your specs? | 22:42 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: i'm sure you have had that argument a few times | 22:43 |
| luke-jr | jeremiah: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/?page=vps | 22:43 |
| Macer | luke-jr: uh oh | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: with luke-jr mostly | 22:43 |
| jeremiah | I am always in the market for a good host | 22:43 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: haha | 22:43 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: open*, not open. | 22:43 |
| jeremiah | luke-jr: .org? Are you a co-op? | 22:43 |
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| Stskeeps | open is too tainted | 22:44 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: i would say open hardware is | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | and has lost meaning | 22:44 |
| Macer | probably not software so much | 22:44 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: hah. | 22:44 |
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| Macer | but then again. if the communist chinese industrial machine gets a hold of any schematic then that device is virtually worthless in a month :) | 22:44 |
| luke-jr | jeremiah: dashjr.org is my personal domain. I don't have a domain for the hosting biz | 22:45 |
| jeremiah | ah okay. :) | 22:45 |
| Macer | so you really can't blame hardware manufacturers for being skeptical of "open" hardware | 22:45 |
| luke-jr | jeremiah: the Omaha Linux User Group is setting up a co-op datacenter here, but that's not yet in place | 22:45 |
| luke-jr | Macer: you know, I didn't see that happen with OpenMoko... | 22:46 |
| wazd | em, pong? :) | 22:46 |
| jeremiah | luke-jr: Wow, cool | 22:46 |
| Macer | luke-jr: heh | 22:46 |
| Macer | there's always an exception :) | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: yeah but openmoko wasn't cool.. | 22:46 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: if it worked, it would have been | 22:46 |
| w00t | openmoko was almost the opposite of cool | 22:46 |
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| jeremiah | luke-jr: Do you have redundant connections to the internet backbone? | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | it was almost 80s. | 22:47 |
| luke-jr | Chinese machine too lazy to fix the crap before duping it? | 22:47 |
| Macer | luke-jr: that is the curse of the communist chinese industrial machine | 22:47 |
| jeremiah | luke-jr: Or rather, how fat is your pipe? | 22:47 |
| Macer | piss poor qa :) | 22:47 |
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| Macer | make a lot... if broken.. replace | 22:47 |
| luke-jr | jeremiah: my VPS hosting is all out of colocated machines with multiple connections | 22:47 |
| * Macer wishes he could get the chinese symbols for that logo :) | 22:47 | |
| w00t | Stskeeps: it wasn't so much that | 22:47 |
| jeremiah | luke-jr: Do you cram a lot of customers on them? | 22:47 |
| w00t | to me it looked more like a toy than a device | 22:47 |
| w00t | same for the software | 22:47 |
| Macer | i need to find someone chinese to translate that into chinese writing for me haha | 22:48 |
| luke-jr | jeremiah: I haven't had to consider that aspect yet, as the systems spend most of their time idle :p | 22:48 |
| jeremiah | wow, cool. :) | 22:48 |
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| luke-jr | I think the busiest process is my realtime email backup via Git | 22:48 |
| * luke-jr ponders why Git is so slow at it | 22:49 | |
| jeremiah | Lots of data? | 22:49 |
| luke-jr | jeremiah: realtime, so usually only a few KB every so often at most | 22:49 |
| jeremiah | And it is probably using this; http://github.com/git/git/blob/5ad9dce7e691106fecde413de8cc321b937367a6/git-send-email.perl | 22:50 |
| luke-jr | no. | 22:50 |
| luke-jr | my code is on gitorious :p | 22:50 |
| Woolly | luke-jr: did you receive my pm? :) | 22:50 |
| jeremiah | luke-jr: Then you should know why it is slow. :) | 22:50 |
| * lcuk sags | 22:51 | |
| luke-jr | jeremiah: git itself is slow to add/commit :/ | 22:51 |
| jeremiah | hmm. I don't usually experience that, but then most of my stuff is < 5,000 lines | 22:51 |
| jeremiah | So nothing really big. | 22:51 |
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| luke-jr | well, my maildir is a good 600,000 files/messages | 22:52 |
| jeremiah | In any case, interesting stuff luke-jr. Can I cluster and use your private network if I get two nodes? | 22:52 |
| jeremiah | yow. | 22:52 |
| luke-jr | what gets me is that Git takes so long even if I tell it exactly what changed | 22:52 |
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| luke-jr | jeremiah: I don't have a private network. I try to keep my servers at different geographies :p | 22:53 |
| luke-jr | if you have 2 nodes on the same host, I can certainly set one up | 22:53 |
| jeremiah | That is what is cool about linode - if you get two hosts in the same location, all data traffic between nodes is on a private network and free | 22:53 |
| jeremiah | but it appears it would be trivial for you to set up. | 22:54 |
| luke-jr | yeah | 22:54 |
| jeremiah | :) | 22:54 |
| luke-jr | I mean, I could technically setup a VPN too, but then I need to watch my own bw use | 22:54 |
| jeremiah | luke-jr: Apache is an add-on? | 22:55 |
| jeremiah | What does that mean? | 22:55 |
| luke-jr | jeremiah: Managed Hosting | 22:55 |
| jeremiah | ah | 22:56 |
| luke-jr | see category :P | 22:56 |
| jeremiah | heh | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Applying Boxwave protectors is always such a pain. | 22:56 |
| Woolly | GeneralAntilles: air bubbles? | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woolly, fibers. | 22:57 |
| Woolly | :( | 22:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I bent a corner trying to get it off to reapply. :( | 22:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | After a couple dozen applications that's the one area I still have trouble with. | 22:57 |
| Woolly | gutter | 22:57 |
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| Firebird | GeneralAntilles, are the boxwaves sticky on the back? | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 22:58 |
| Firebird | all the screen protectors that I've had get unremoveable fibers and lint on the sticky side then are useless since you can't really clean it | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, it's easy enough to clean | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just run water over it. | 22:58 |
| Firebird | yea, on the ones I have, it just stays stuck | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Problem is I have carpet here and there are lots of fibers floating around. ;) | 22:59 |
| Firebird | (not boxwave) | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that's why I don't recommend knock-offs. ;) | 22:59 |
| Firebird | heh | 22:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | Can the desktop display on the TV out? | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | (at very low res) | 23:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes? | 23:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | I mean normal apps - say the browser. | 23:02 |
| Macer | God i feel horrible | 23:02 |
| Macer | probably have the swine flu | 23:02 |
| * Macer goes on a pig murdering rampage | 23:02 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, it just mirrors the desktop. | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to do a seminar about what open and open source actually mean for the population of Talk. | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | To any OS X users out there, I'm discussing Maemo 5 support with Mark from Mira Software (BluePhoneElite). | 23:03 |
| jeremiah | TV out works pretty well I thought. | 23:04 |
| jeremiah | I got pretty decent resolution on my wide screen thingy | 23:04 |
| GAN900 | 'Thingy'? :P | 23:04 |
| luke-jr | 'Talk'? | 23:05 |
| jeremiah | One of my "three screens" | 23:05 |
| GAN900 | .maemo.org | 23:05 |
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| Woolly | people, i need your help | 23:16 |
| Woolly | give me some random words | 23:16 |
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| Woolly | no longer than 10 characters | 23:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | oexuh | 23:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | paeho | 23:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | aenae | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Cheesecake | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | penis | 23:17 |
| luke-jr | .......... | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Sebastopol | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | eggplant | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | velociraptor | 23:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | baefa | 23:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | iokoh | 23:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | acaoj | 23:17 |
| Woolly | SpeedEvil: wins it | 23:17 |
| Woolly | eggplant it is | 23:17 |
| luke-jr | what does he win? | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | An eggplant? | 23:17 |
| Woolly | is an eggplant the same as a courgette? | 23:17 |
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| Solarion | Woolly: no, but it's related to the Walrus State | 23:18 |
| Solarion | koo koo kachew | 23:18 |
| * SpeedEvil goes back to reading about quantum spin. | 23:18 | |
| * SpeedEvil is trying to make a MRI. | 23:19 | |
| Ceron^ | SpeedEvil: i know all about MRI:s | 23:19 |
| Ceron^ | just ask me if you need something! | 23:19 |
| Solarion | SpeedEvil: "make" an MRI? | 23:19 |
| Woolly | I need to give my tortoise an MRI | 23:19 |
| Solarion | Is not hard. | 23:19 |
| Solarion | In the presence of a magnetic field, the electron spin begins to precess | 23:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Ceron^: A '180 degree' or a '90 degree' pulse of RF - what makes these 180 or 90 degree. | 23:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Ceron^: Is it simply a total pulse energy large enough to make the phase point in that direction in the rotating coordinate system? | 23:21 |
| Solarion | If you now apply a magnetic field perpendicular to that axis, which is rotating about the axis, it can cause the spin to flip, *if* drive at the frequency at which the spin precesses about the static field. | 23:21 |
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| lcuk | arghhh, how do i quit from "nano" | 23:21 |
| lcuk | its some evil console mode editor | 23:21 |
| frals | ^X | 23:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Solarion: yes - just a toy one. | 23:21 |
| Solarion | SpeedEvil: the number represents the spin's polar angle on the Bloch sphere. | 23:21 |
| frals | ie ctrl+x lcuk, im fairly sure | 23:22 |
| Solarion | SpeedEvil: in a lab or something? | 23:22 |
| lcuk | typing ^x | 23:22 |
| lcuk | ahhhhh | 23:22 |
| Solarion | Now there's more complexity (if you really wanna understand, see Abragam's book on the subject) | 23:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Solarion: no - a toy desktop one. | 23:22 |
| Solarion | but to first order, that's what is going on | 23:22 |
| lcuk | phew | 23:22 |
| lcuk | thanks fragment | 23:22 |
| lcuk | frals | 23:22 |
| frals | np ;) | 23:22 |
| Solarion | SpeedEvil: hardware or software simulation? | 23:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Solarion: An imager that you can put your hand in, and it can say with 50% certainty that it is in fact a hand. Type of thing. Probably earth field or certainly low field. | 23:23 |
| Solarion | umm, ok | 23:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Solarion: I've been reading http://www.cis.rit.edu/htbooks/mri/inside.htm - which is quite good. | 23:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Solarion: I need to brush up on my quantum mechanics. | 23:24 |
| Solarion | eh, first- and second-order NMR can be done with classical physics | 23:24 |
| Solarion | (ignoring the fact that spin is inherently quantum) | 23:24 |
| Solarion | (just treat it like a classical magnet) | 23:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | Solarion: yes - i'm trying to understand on a basic level how spin behaves - I understand - sort-of - the imaging process - but I'm not quite sure of how to compute the phases to the RF exciter coils forex. | 23:26 |
| Solarion | ah | 23:26 |
| Solarion | I'm a theorist, so I'm (mostly) useless at that level. ;) | 23:26 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: ping | 23:26 |
| bratag | FUCKING n900 has been pushed kids | 23:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Solarion: MRI is funky though. Mr Fourier would have been proud. | 23:26 |
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| RST38h | bratag: ? | 23:27 |
| bratag | Mid Nov | 23:27 |
| bratag | Yesterday Nokia USA - yes yes shipping tomorrow | 23:27 |
| bratag | Today - Oh we jus got email its been pushed to Nov | 23:27 |
| bratag | HOO FUCKING RAY! | 23:27 |
| * RST38h hears half the tmo fanboys shoot themselves | 23:28 | |
| ShadowJK | lol | 23:28 |
| Stskeeps | they're toying with you | 23:28 |
| frals | well this is good, soon im gonna be turned off by it and save 600€... :rolleyes: | 23:28 |
| ShadowJK | Nokia Shop Finland was saying w44,45 last weekend :) | 23:28 |
| bratag | No they arent | 23:28 |
| bratag | I spoke with the sales chick - and the supervisor | 23:28 |
| bratag | and their supervisor | 23:28 |
| bratag | and they all say the same fucking thing | 23:29 |
| bratag | New email just now - N900 pushed to Mid Nov | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | please keep in mind hardware vendors are excellent at personality split | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:29 |
| frals | nokia.se still has it as w44, im going with that until its week 44 | 23:29 |
| frals | (what week is it now?) | 23:29 |
| bratag | The website still says End October | 23:29 |
| bratag | I asked about that and they said it has yet to be updated | 23:29 |
| chelli | frals: 43 | 23:29 |
| Corsac | expansys says 9 days to go | 23:29 |
| frals | well, time will tell, more time for people to come up with hacks to get MMS working once it lands :D | 23:30 |
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| Solarion | heh. It'd be funny if I got it before anyone else. :) | 23:30 |
| * Solarion has to buy it through a carrier.... | 23:30 | |
| Corsac | hmhm that being said, I need to ask my carrier about a new contract if I buy an n900 | 23:31 |
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| Corsac | without data plan it's less fun | 23:31 |
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| javispedro | efefg | 23:32 |
| javispedro | ah, the random word contest is over already. | 23:32 |
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| * jeremiah smells smoke | 23:32 | |
| jeremiah | what's burning | 23:32 |
| javispedro | your data. | 23:32 |
| jeremiah | Oh, the Nokia store. | 23:32 |
| jeremiah | The N900 waiters have rioted | 23:32 |
| javispedro | aye, they left the n900 at 600mhz? :( | 23:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Solarion: http://www.amazon.com/Principles-Nuclear-Magnetism-International-Monographs/dp/019852014X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1256157145&sr=1-2 ? | 23:33 |
| bratag | It doesnt exactly fill me with confidence them delaying the release 5 goddamn days before it was due to ship | 23:33 |
| javispedro | what? | 23:33 |
| Macer | The hermaphroditic nematode keeps its self-fertilized eggs inside its uterus until they hatch. The juvenile nematodes will then ingest the parent nematode. | 23:33 |
| Macer | how like life | 23:33 |
| jeremiah | delicious! | 23:34 |
| jeremiah | Mom, what's for dinner? | 23:34 |
| SpeedEvil | bratag: well - the UK nokia store has been saying mid november for over a week | 23:34 |
| jeremiah | Parent nematode | 23:34 |
| jeremiah | Parent nematode - it's what's for dinner | 23:34 |
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| bratag | Seriously Nokia needs a goddamn enema | 23:35 |
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| Jaffa | Lot of hype. Probablt should get launch right... | 23:37 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5697 | 23:37 |
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| bratag | Yes they should - most times that includes providing actual information on the friggin release | 23:38 |
| bratag | rather than letting us foam at the mouth trying to figure this shit out ourselves | 23:38 |
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| Jaffa | Long queues at the local Nokia Store, eh? ;-) | 23:39 |
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| ShadowJK | atleast they've been frank in saying it's a guess :) | 23:40 |
| Solarion | SpeedEvil: yes | 23:40 |
| bratag | Actually they have been frank in saying its a guess of the guess | 23:40 |
| Solarion | SpeedEvil: I've only read a bit of it (needed to get my g-TMR calculation done), so I don't know if it'll address all you need | 23:40 |
| bratag | In that they have said "sometime in October - maybe" kinda sorta could be fuck knows | 23:40 |
| bratag | cancelled and reordered through newegg | 23:41 |
| bratag | least I trust them to stick to a date | 23:41 |
| lcuk | barcamp registrion form: dietary requirements: bacon | 23:41 |
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| Stskeeps | i vote for a setting to make webbrowser back button work like backspace key. | 23:43 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk: I heard on bbc world service about a US company that makes scented candles for men. Bacon is one of the scents available :-) | 23:43 |
| lardman | Woolly: did anyone ever answer you? Eggplant == aubergine | 23:44 |
| lcuk | that wouldnt work, i'd burn my mouth trying to eat it | 23:44 |
| Woolly | aaaaah yeha | 23:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Solarion: I'll see if I can find it in a nearby library, thantk. | 23:44 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: what's it do? | 23:44 |
| Woolly | aubergine != courgette | 23:44 |
| w00t | (so much for my going offline.) | 23:44 |
| lardman | indeed | 23:44 |
| lardman | and on that note, night all, long day in Northampton tomorrow - fun! | 23:44 |
| lardman | hmm | 23:44 |
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| Stskeeps | w00t: goes back a page. back button shows a worthless screenshot of previous pages and slows down browsing process | 23:45 |
| w00t | mm | 23:45 |
| w00t | so click back, click page | 23:45 |
| RST38h | Sts: File a bug, watch it wontfixed | 23:45 |
| Stskeeps | yes, which is annoying | 23:46 |
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| w00t | i suppose the combination of history and back is useful in some ways, but i can imagine how that would be annoying, yes | 23:46 |
| ShadowJK | s60 browser has the ability to switch thumbnailed historry off | 23:46 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Maybe it's their way of "fixing" the "pressing back in a textfield" goes back... | 23:46 |
| Macer | haha | 23:47 |
| Macer | wontfixed | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: wouldnt surprise me. | 23:47 |
| Macer | symbian should die anyways | 23:47 |
| w00t | i've been saying that for a very long time | 23:48 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, the maemo.org tag includes contributors. | 23:49 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, so INVALID. | 23:49 |
| ShadowJK | if my e75 had vpn available, and atleast twice the screen res, I'd probably sit out the fingerpainting craze :/ | 23:50 |
| crashanddie_ | GAN900, you do not yell at Jaffa | 23:50 |
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| crashanddie_ | GAN900, you say "With all due respect, sir, I believe you might be wrong" | 23:50 |
| jeremiah | heh | 23:50 |
| jeremiah | Jaffa is never wrong. | 23:51 |
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| Jaffa | GAN900: So what's the defn of "contributor"? | 23:51 |
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| Macer | nokia should just release the n900 by surprise | 23:52 |
| Macer | like just one day have an "order now" page up :) | 23:52 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: Why isn't yerga, for example? | 23:52 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, anybody with a proven track record. | 23:52 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, feel free to ask Andre to add a tag to anybody you think deserves it. | 23:52 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie_: And then I prove to them why *they* are? ;-) | 23:52 |
| ShadowJK | macer: i suspect they wouldn't have been able to have 1000ish devices in the wild wothout it leaking :) | 23:53 |
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| * GAN900 pokes crashanddie_ in the eye. | 23:53 | |
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| Macer | ShadowJK: but it would be funny of them to do | 23:53 |
| Macer | just out the blue release a flagship device without warning :) | 23:53 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: Seems a bit too cliquish. It should be reseerved for those who have some form of current, formal relationship to maemo.org | 23:53 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, feel free to suggest that. | 23:54 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, I kinda like it as it is now. | 23:54 |
| ShadowJK | besides some community people and the summit attendees getting N900s, the usual end user beta testers have also got them :) | 23:54 |
| GAN900 | Helps people pick out the chumps from those with a clue. | 23:54 |
| ShadowJK | but we dont hear for them, different community and all :/ | 23:54 |
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| Macer | ShadowJK: haha | 23:55 |
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| ShadowJK | one of them said n900 is far more bugfree at this point than previous phones :) | 23:55 |
| Macer | the are hoarding the n900s to themselves? | 23:55 |
| Macer | like the spice? :) | 23:55 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: Then bugs.maemo should use the designed user masthead incl. karma & avatar ;-p | 23:55 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, they aren't wrong. i tried and tried and tried to put a sim in my n810 but it kept falling out of the slot | 23:56 |
| lcuk | damn buggy design | 23:56 |
| wiretapped | the N900s must flow! | 23:56 |
| Macer | i love dune... spice is like.. half drug half intergalactic space travel fuel | 23:56 |
| Macer | i'd love to see people start making gasoline out of cocaine | 23:56 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk: where previous referred to things like n97, n95, etc | 23:56 |
| Jaffa | Macer: Isn't that the plot of _The Living Daylights_? | 23:56 |
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| lcuk | ShadowJK, are they previous maemo devices? | 23:56 |
| Macer | Jaffa: don't know. never saw it | 23:56 |
| Macer | but i guess i will now :) | 23:56 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: It is true, about it beeing more bug free than s60 phones | 23:56 |
| Jaffa | Macer: Actually, other way round: smuggling cocaine in gasoline | 23:57 |
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| ShadowJK | lcuk: no. that was my point. | 23:57 |
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| Macer | Jaffa: in dune the spice is both fuel and drug | 23:58 |
| Macer | it's great :) | 23:58 |
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| Macer | the the living daylights is a bond movie. i hate james bond | 23:59 |
| ShadowJK | Imagine, hundreds of n900 devices are in the hands of clueless testers who have no idea what maemo and linux is, and think it's just symbian on steroids | 23:59 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: most clueless people don't even know what symbian is ;) | 23:59 |
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