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| woglinde | felipec I will test both stuff if I ever get a n900 | 00:00 |
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| felipec | moreover dsp-link is a complete mess, dsp-bridge at least has been cleaned up by Nokia developers, and is a bit closer to linux kernel standards | 00:02 |
| Lynoure | hmmm... | 00:02 |
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| felipec | with a bit of work it might be merged upstream | 00:02 |
| woglinde | ah that would be cool | 00:03 |
| felipec | dsp-link hasn't even been submitted for review | 00:03 |
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| RST38h | felipec: so, we are coming back to my original suspicion :) | 00:21 |
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| javispedro | heh. | 00:24 |
| felipec | RST38h: huh? TI provided us with a solution based on dsp-bridge: libbridge, and tiopenmax... I started gst-dsp on my free-time, and found it that it performed much better, so we used it :) | 00:24 |
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| javispedro | if the spain nokia store is any accurate, the n900 is the "top seller" phone right now. | 00:24 |
| RST38h | felipec: I referred to your mention of dsp-link being complete mess | 00:25 |
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| RST38h | <sleep> | 00:26 |
| javispedro | bye rst | 00:26 |
| felipec | RST38h: heh, sorry, what original suspicion are you talking about? | 00:26 |
| RST38h | felipec: that the ti solution was messy and not sufficiently supported | 00:26 |
| RST38h | g'night javis | 00:26 |
| javispedro | anyone knows a mirror for codesourcery.com stuff? site is dawn slow. | 00:27 |
| javispedro | s/dawn/damn | 00:27 |
| woglinde | javispedro nope | 00:27 |
| javispedro | well, I have to download half a gigabyte at V.90 speeds. | 00:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | !summon qwerty | 00:29 |
| javispedro | ~100$ | 00:29 |
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| mgedmin | uh oh I closed my own bug as RESOLVED INVALID by accident | 00:30 |
| timeless_mbp | reopen :) | 00:30 |
| woglinde | felipec is TI releasing some more codecs in future? | 00:30 |
| timeless_mbp | anyone here understand how maemo decides if an application window wants to be system modal? | 00:30 |
| mgedmin | no, but I would like to thwack some of those system modal windows over the head for being system modal for no good reason | 00:31 |
| mgedmin | ovi account validation for one | 00:31 |
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| felipec | woglinde: what do you mean by releasing? :) | 00:32 |
| woglinde | *sigh* | 00:32 |
| woglinde | I thought you somehow worked together with them | 00:33 |
| mgedmin | shhh don't blow his cover | 00:34 |
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| felipec | woglinde: yes, but there are programs, requirements, and licenses | 00:35 |
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| woglinde | felipec right | 00:35 |
| felipec | woglinde: they provide us with updates according to those, let's say for the Fremantle program | 00:35 |
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| felipec | woglinde: what they provide for Harmattan is different... and they also provide some public binaries, which are also different | 00:35 |
| woglinde | felipec okay I will how I can integrate it in oe | 00:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: hrm | 00:57 |
| timeless_mbp | could i convince you to investigate what it would take to make zenity dialogs not system modal? | 00:57 |
| crashanddie_ | Jaffa, would you know how to play a sine from python? | 00:58 |
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| TechGeek2 | Does anyone know how to get apps on Andorid on the n810? | 01:01 |
| Arkenklo | TechGeek2: yes, it's not possible | 01:01 |
| mgedmin | timeless_mbp: you probably could, but with my lack of relevant context knowledge it would not be the most efficient way | 01:01 |
| mgedmin | can't you kidnap a nokian and interrogate him/her? | 01:01 |
| Arkenklo | from what I've picked up, you basically require the entire android system virtualized for it to work | 01:02 |
| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: i'd almost certainly get the wrong one | 01:02 |
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| TechGeek2 | can anyone teach me how to port android to the n810 then? How do you convert the fiels so they work on teh n810? | 01:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | this is #maemo, not #android | 01:03 |
| Arkenklo | TechGeek2: I doubt that someone will teach you, but it certainely can be done | 01:04 |
| Arkenklo | ....(i think) | 01:04 |
| mgedmin | well, to be fair the question crosses both domains | 01:04 |
| kirma | wonder nobody has yet suggested running windows mobile on N900. I mean, as hacked-in version, heroic microsoft fans have certainly stated that the device is flawed because it doesn't have winmo preinstalled. | 01:04 |
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| mgedmin | sadly, the answer is probably "step 1: study advanced computer things for 5 years" | 01:04 |
| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: it might cross #n810 or #n800 | 01:04 |
| Arkenklo | mgedmin: not really, maemo is not the n810 | 01:04 |
| mgedmin | doh! | 01:04 |
| timeless_mbp | kirma: vmware ported vmware to the n800 | 01:04 |
| timeless_mbp | so ... | 01:05 |
| mgedmin | reading_comprehension -= 1 | 01:05 |
| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: as penance you can try my zenity problem :) | 01:05 |
| timeless_mbp | zenity is in extras-devel | 01:05 |
| timeless_mbp | just try a simple zenity dialog and you'll see the problem | 01:05 |
| kirma | timeless_mbp: I must admit I'm sort of interested on virtualisation on smartphones, but not really to run multiple different-vendor OSes :) | 01:06 |
| johnx | timeless_mbp, what's wrong with it? it seems to work ok on mer ... | 01:06 |
| timeless_mbp | johnx: on my n900 it's system modal | 01:06 |
| timeless_mbp | e.g. zenity --warning | 01:06 |
| TechGeek2 | is it just opening the android source and converting it to pyton? | 01:06 |
| mgedmin | yuck, zenity --info --text "hello" | 01:06 |
| zerojay | lol | 01:06 |
| mgedmin | total hig violation, I assume | 01:07 |
| johnx | timeless_mbp, still not getting the problem? | 01:07 |
| javispedro | kirma: as I've usually said, you can port windows ce. | 01:07 |
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| johnx | that you can't click anything else until it goes away? | 01:07 |
| javispedro | they give you a 120ish trial for doing so. | 01:07 |
| timeless_mbp | yep | 01:07 |
| johnx | is that really a problem? | 01:07 |
| timeless_mbp | yep | 01:07 |
| kirma | johnx: if I happen to have windows ce sources around, I bet I can :) | 01:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | it pisses off users | 01:07 |
| johnx | lots of things are system modal, right? | 01:07 |
| mgedmin | no | 01:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | lots of annoying dialogs are | 01:07 |
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| mgedmin | few things I've noticed | 01:07 |
| johnx | kurtan, huh? | 01:07 |
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| johnx | timeless_mbp, s/lots/all/ | 01:08 |
| javispedro | kirma: that's what I mean, you can get windows ce sources. | 01:08 |
| timeless_mbp | crash-reporter is modal | 01:08 |
| mgedmin | timeless_mbp: my *wild guess* is that the dialog is not transient to any application window | 01:08 |
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| mgedmin | therefore if you switch away from it, there'll be no way of going back | 01:08 |
| crashanddie_ | does /dev/dsp exist on maemo? | 01:08 |
| mgedmin | crashanddie_: not to my knowledge | 01:08 |
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| mgedmin | ls: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory | 01:08 |
| crashanddie_ | mgedmin, damn | 01:08 |
| johnx | kurtan, eep. sorry | 01:09 |
| crashanddie_ | mgedmin, just did a cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp to see what would happen | 01:09 |
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| kurtan | johnx, ok, move along | 01:09 |
| kirma | anyway, I feel that people switching whole OSes from smartphone(ish) devices to something completely different have way too much time for their hobbies. | 01:09 |
| mgedmin | as root? you'd get a new file full of random data | 01:09 |
| johnx | crashanddie_, you could use padsp | 01:09 |
| mgedmin | until the filesystem filled up | 01:09 |
| crashanddie_ | johnx, which does? | 01:09 |
| Arkenklo | mgedmin: right, sorry | 01:09 |
| crashanddie_ | mgedmin, well, yeah, I figured that... now | 01:09 |
| johnx | crashanddie_, wraps your program and takes what it tries to output to /dev/dsp and outputs it via pulseaudio | 01:10 |
| johnx | might work ok if you're not too sensitive to latency | 01:10 |
| cosmo | kirma: i think installing linux on weird hardware is a good hobby | 01:10 |
| crashanddie_ | johnx, oh, so something like padsp ./whatever.py? | 01:10 |
| kirma | cosmo: welll, yes. but installing it on hardware where 95% of original intended functionality becomes unreachable as result is mostly just waste of time :) | 01:11 |
| cosmo | kirma: usually you CAN at least ping localhost | 01:12 |
| mgedmin | timeless_mbp: "Another detail to take care of is that GtkDialogs can work in two modalities in a Hildon application: task-model or system-model. A dialog is task-modal if it is transient for the main window." | 01:12 |
| kirma | yep, that's the thing why we have all those gadgets :) | 01:12 |
| mgedmin | -- http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Graphical_UI_Tutorial/Windows_and_dialogs#Using_GtkDialogs_in_Hildon_applications | 01:12 |
| cosmo | well, there are some success hacks like ipaq linux, some digital camera linuxes, openwrt, etc | 01:12 |
| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: ok, so how does one hack zenity to enable it to satisfy hildon's insane behavior? | 01:13 |
| mgedmin | my wild guess was right | 01:13 |
| ali1234 | cosmo: android on htc :) | 01:13 |
| timeless_mbp | can we make a fully transparent main window? :) | 01:13 |
| crashanddie_ | johnx, /usr/bin/padsp: line 74: getopts: not found | 01:13 |
| mgedmin | timeless_mbp: what's your use case? displaying a notification from a postinst script or something? | 01:13 |
| kirma | I had ipaq back when their linux port was announced and played with it (including external wlan thingie)... not very useful, but still, someone stole it from my work desk. could have skipped at least that... | 01:13 |
| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: writing apps in perl | 01:13 |
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| mgedmin | timeless_mbp: why not use perl's gtk bindings? | 01:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | because i don't like gtk :) | 01:14 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't want to learn it | 01:14 |
| felipec | /dev/dsp is oss, isn't it? | 01:14 |
| timeless_mbp | i just want to say "i need an X" | 01:14 |
| felipec | that's deprecated | 01:14 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 01:14 |
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| woglinde | felipec hm no alsa too | 01:14 |
| mgedmin | do you have a reasonable application main window? | 01:15 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 01:15 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 01:15 |
| timeless_mbp | i only have a series of dialogs | 01:15 |
| mgedmin | do you run your app from an xterm then? | 01:15 |
| felipec | woglinde: only when there's OSS emulation | 01:15 |
| woglinde | hm | 01:15 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 01:15 |
| timeless_mbp | it gets launched from the More... menu | 01:15 |
| woglinde | hows alsa than working | 01:15 |
| mgedmin | hm | 01:16 |
| woglinde | seems my knowledge is limited | 01:16 |
| felipec | woglinde: alsa-lib? | 01:16 |
| mgedmin | I think you'd need to hack up WINDOW_ID=`zenity --main-window`; zenity --warning --text "..." --transient-for $WINDOW_ID | 01:16 |
| felipec | I'm not sure about '/dev/dsp' being OSS... just guessing | 01:16 |
| ali1234 | woglinde: /dev/snd/* | 01:16 |
| mgedmin | or something like that | 01:16 |
| mgedmin | sounds like more work than learning to use gtk from perl... | 01:17 |
| mgedmin | or getting someone to rewrite your app in python | 01:17 |
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| mgedmin | timeless_mbp: do you have a source repository for translations-enus1? | 01:24 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not currently sharing it | 01:25 |
| timeless_mbp | the mo's aren't really interesting | 01:25 |
| timeless_mbp | you can use dpkg-deb to extract the interesting bits | 01:25 |
| mgedmin | ah, ok | 01:26 |
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| Andril | any n810 users on? | 01:28 |
| woglinde | andril I have one | 01:28 |
| * mgedmin is | 01:28 | |
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| crashanddie_ | johnx, nice idea, sadly libpulsedsp.so doesn't exist on maemo | 01:29 |
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| Andril | woglinde: what os are you running? and what have you tried? | 01:30 |
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| woglinde | 2008 latest | 01:30 |
| woglinde | I tried no other | 01:30 |
| johnx | crashanddie_, and pulse-dsp isn't quite working on mer yet, so I can't even plug that ;) | 01:30 |
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| Andril | ok cool - got issues with my gps -wish google maps was for 0s2008 | 01:31 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 01:32 |
| woglinde | hm? | 01:32 |
| woglinde | navit is working with osm maps | 01:32 |
| Andril | Navit is good - huh | 01:32 |
| mgedmin | maemo-mapper ftw | 01:32 |
| Andril | i'll give it a try now | 01:33 |
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| Andril | do they do directions? | 01:33 |
| lardman|afk | navit should do offline directions | 01:34 |
| lardman|afk | maemo-mapper requires a web connection | 01:35 |
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| Andril | lardman|afk: thanks | 01:35 |
| lardman | np | 01:36 |
| crashanddie_ | mah | 01:36 |
| crashanddie_ | too tired for writing code | 01:36 |
| crashanddie_ | can't focus | 01:36 |
| lardman | maemo-mapper is good though, Navit can be a bit hit and miss, but fingers crossed it improves, etc | 01:36 |
| * crashanddie_ goes to ride his bike | 01:36 | |
| * lardman worries about bike riding when not able to focus.... | 01:37 | |
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| crashanddie_ | lardman, no worries, just going down in the woods, no cars or anything | 01:37 |
| Andril | i just want my gps back the wayfinder is off alot and the fee doesnt help | 01:37 |
| lardman | hmm, trees... they don't have lights at night either ;) | 01:37 |
| crashanddie_ | lardman, nope, but I do | 01:38 |
| lardman | all good, have fun! | 01:38 |
| crashanddie_ | lardman, http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/tags/bike/ | 01:38 |
| lardman | lots of bits of a bike, but no complete bike! ;) | 01:39 |
| EspadaV8 | motorbike? or push bike? | 01:40 |
| EspadaV8 | and at 23:20? | 01:40 |
| lardman | push | 01:40 |
| crashanddie_ | lardman, http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Q4mpChuwTFg/ShLHMzkPyPI/AAAAAAAACF4/Fg5yKBYs25g/s1600-h/imgp0069.jpg | 01:41 |
| crashanddie_ | a few things have changed since then | 01:41 |
| lardman | I know nothing much about bikes, but it's not carbon anyway | 01:42 |
| lardman | but looks very nice | 01:42 |
| EspadaV8 | nice looking bike | 01:43 |
| Andril | nice wheels | 01:44 |
| crashanddie_ | the big picture has the old tyres | 01:44 |
| Andril | good camera aslo | 01:44 |
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| crashanddie_ | now I've got the shiny grippy funky igniters! | 01:44 |
| crashanddie_ | Andril, n900 | 01:44 |
| Andril | ahhh man | 01:45 |
| Andril | got navit installed but it just sits in Minchen | 01:46 |
| lardman | you have to load maps for it | 01:47 |
| lardman | manually | 01:47 |
| lardman | i.e. download them and install them | 01:47 |
| lardman | take a look on TMO, should be a thread explaining it somewhere, otherwise on the OSM website iirc | 01:47 |
| Andril | got a link? | 01:47 |
| mgedmin | Andril: are you online? have you installed agps? it helps get faster gps fix times | 01:48 |
| mgedmin | otherwise you may have to wait 6 minutes outside until the gps figures out where it is | 01:48 |
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| mgedmin | and I think a fresh fix in a new continent may take up to 20 minutes or so | 01:48 |
| Andril | getting it now | 01:48 |
| mgedmin | since it has to download almanac data from the satellites at their broadcast rate of 1.5 bits per second or something | 01:48 |
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| * mgedmin finally figures out that zenity --hildon probably means old hildon, not maemo 5 hildon | 01:49 | |
| mgedmin | and that's why I perceive no visual difference between zenity and zenity --hildon | 01:49 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | It really doesn't mean much. Some changes to some of the stuff it provides (like the file chooser) to use the equivalent Hildon widget. | 01:51 |
| lardman | hmm, am having trouble capturing output to a file, should "./foo &> bar.txt" work always? | 01:51 |
| johnx | does &> work in ash? | 01:51 |
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| crashanddie_ | mgedmin, if only the gps on the n810 was able to use ephemeris data properly | 01:52 |
| johnx | ./foo 1> stdout 2> stderr | 01:52 |
| Andril | googleapps is a much needed port | 01:52 |
| lardman | johnx: seems not | 01:52 |
| lardman | johnx: simple > did the trick thankfully | 01:53 |
| mgedmin | dunno about properly; in the end I gave up on the gps completely and just use maemo-mapper as an offline map viewer | 01:53 |
| crashanddie_ | Jaffa, you never used python to output sound on the n900? | 01:53 |
| mgedmin | keeping my position manually up to date from time to time | 01:53 |
| crashanddie_ | Jaffa, haha, you've been favourited: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4000512697/in/photostream/ | 01:55 |
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| crashanddie_ | so anyway, is anyone working on the IR thingy on the n900? | 01:58 |
| * mgedmin installed irreco and gave up after 10 minutes of the incomprehensible user interface | 02:00 | |
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| lizardo | crashanddie_: he is probably sleeping ... hehe (just a guess) | 02:02 |
| lizardo | ( Jaffa , I mean) | 02:03 |
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| lardman | is there a page somewhere about using debian helper? | 02:05 |
| lardman | or even, is there a command to run autotools and then the configure script? | 02:06 |
| johnx | Have you tried just running dh-make in the top of your project directory and seeing what happens? | 02:07 |
| derf | lardman: If you find one, let me know. | 02:07 |
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| lardman | yeah just done that and it's generated a rules file that I need to tweak | 02:07 |
| lardman | derf: :) | 02:07 |
| derf | That actually applies to either of those things. | 02:08 |
| lardman | I guess copying an existing non cdbs rules file is the way forward | 02:08 |
| lizardo | lardman: you have a configure.ac already, "autoreconf -f -i" will probably do the work to you (but it will not run ./configure, you will need to do that) | 02:08 |
| johnx | in that rules file I think you can just check out the configure section and put in the lines you need | 02:08 |
| lardman | lizardo: but does debian helper do that for me with some dh_ command, or do I have to explicitly add that in the proper section of rules? | 02:09 |
| johnx | ah, didn't get that you were looking for the autotools commands, not where to put them in a debian package | 02:09 |
| johnx | ah, picture is getting clearer :) | 02:09 |
| lardman | or murkier depending on how you see Debianisation ;) | 02:09 |
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| derf | Debianisation works like everything else. | 02:10 |
| derf | You find a working package and you copy it. | 02:10 |
| lizardo | lardman: debhelper does not run autotools for you , you need to do that manually on debian/rules... | 02:10 |
| lardman | lizardo: ok, thanks | 02:10 |
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| lardman | derf: indeed, will do that tomorrow | 02:10 |
| lardman | time to hit the sack now, night chaps | 02:10 |
| johnx | 'night lardman | 02:10 |
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| b-man17 | can anyone help me with this? - i´m trying to add a single-column selector to a control panel applet for Maemo5 - and i can´t seem to find a way to apply the selector :( | 02:36 |
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| b-man17 | what i´m trying to accomplish is this: http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4398&stc=1&d=1255782215 | 02:37 |
| b-man17 | (in a control panel applet) | 02:37 |
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| crashanddie_ | awesum, one remote for sound and tv | 02:37 |
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| b-man17 | ...can anyone help? | 02:40 |
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| Firebird | b-man17, ... in gtk? | 02:40 |
| b-man17 | yes | 02:41 |
| Firebird | vbox and hboxes don't work? | 02:41 |
| * b-man17 isn´t shure - i´ve just started using gtk | 02:42 | |
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| mgedmin | crashanddie_: you have success with irreco? | 02:43 |
| crashanddie_ | yup | 02:43 |
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| woglinde | apt-get | 04:34 |
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| pupnik_ | hi good people | 05:12 |
| pupnik_ | i just found that the local bar is full of ugly people | 05:13 |
| derf | You just haven't had enough to drink yet. | 05:13 |
| t_s_o | the world is full of ugly people, the few good looking ones ends up working fashion and entertainment... | 05:14 |
| t_s_o | still, looks are not everything. the mind is what counts in the long run... | 05:14 |
| pupnik_ | i was thinkign more of good hearts | 05:14 |
| pupnik_ | just not the plce to go | 05:15 |
| t_s_o | heh, heart, mind, much the same in my book... | 05:15 |
| pupnik_ | right | 05:16 |
| pupnik_ | i am suffering post-summit letdownw | 05:16 |
| pupnik_ | you meet the best peope | 05:16 |
| pupnik_ | and then its like damn... | 05:17 |
| pupnik_ | they were the best | 05:17 |
| t_s_o | experiences like that can make one wish one could work at some think tank, or maybe a university electronics/computers lab... | 05:19 |
| t_s_o | well ill be, creative have made pc speakers with bluetooth... | 05:21 |
| t_s_o | and aux in as well, heh, i could use this as generic music speakers ;) | 05:22 |
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| pupnik_ | t_s_o: well i've not known you to say stupid things here. i hope good things in store for you | 05:35 |
| t_s_o | thanks | 05:35 |
| pupnik_ | see here's my thing. i really think nokia's maemo can change the future for the beter | 05:36 |
| pupnik_ | better | 05:36 |
| * lcuk raises a glass to that | 05:37 | |
| pupnik_ | because centralized control is evil and that goes into politics | 05:37 |
| pupnik_ | but a lot of us are here because of politics too | 05:37 |
| lcuk | different politics | 05:37 |
| pupnik_ | cheers lcuk | 05:37 |
| pupnik_ | i am scared of the pentagon | 05:38 |
| lcuk | i was always nervous around triangles | 05:38 |
| lcuk | why worry about the pentagon tho | 05:39 |
| lcuk | they are half a world away | 05:39 |
| pupnik_ | you and I are nervous people | 05:39 |
| lcuk | different reasons and focus | 05:39 |
| pupnik_ | :) | 05:39 |
| pupnik_ | i am going to listen to tonights antiwar radio | 05:39 |
| lcuk | do you think theres a daily proware radio? | 05:40 |
| lcuk | not that i would listen | 05:40 |
| pupnik_ | yes | 05:40 |
| lcuk | yikes | 05:40 |
| pupnik_ | msnbc, etc | 05:40 |
| pupnik_ | i have a bit of a problem with this bombing people stuff because my parents got bombed into rubble | 05:41 |
| pupnik_ | dug out of ruins as children | 05:41 |
| pupnik_ | lcuk: you know pentagon just exceeded all recruitment targets? | 05:42 |
| lcuk | i have a problem with it too, but thankfully never come close enough to know | 05:42 |
| lcuk | good! | 05:42 |
| lcuk | theres a jobs crisis | 05:42 |
| pupnik_ | right | 05:42 |
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| derf | pupnik_: And my dad worked at the Pentagon :). | 05:42 |
| pupnik_ | but nott good | 05:42 |
| pupnik_ | that organization produces few useful products | 05:43 |
| lcuk | a mobile army of men able to perform any duty commanded could actually be used for the best in the world | 05:43 |
| lcuk | its a shame their time is wasted | 05:43 |
| lcuk | for instance, the damned russian army would have the best uniforms and most stylish tanks | 05:43 |
| lcuk | if only they would let wazd do what his heart tells him | 05:44 |
| t_s_o | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket | 05:44 |
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| t_s_o | funny, i had a much higher karma then expected... | 05:45 |
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| pupnik_ | never trust government | 05:46 |
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| t_s_o | then who sould one trust? big international corps? | 05:47 |
| GAN900 | Neither | 05:48 |
| t_s_o | better load that shotgun then i guess... | 05:48 |
| GAN900 | Good plan. ;) | 05:49 |
| pupnik_ | big internatinal corps cant put a gun to your head | 05:50 |
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| pupnik_ | government does, every day | 05:50 |
| t_s_o | heh, often at big corps say so, i fear... | 05:51 |
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| t_s_o | bah, i find myself having a hard time coming up with usage scenarios for AR, that a overhead map could not do just as well. unless one have some kind of object recognition going... | 05:55 |
| derf | For a tablet it's probably better to use artificial markers. | 05:55 |
| ali1234 | automatic translation of signs etc? | 05:55 |
| t_s_o | ali1234: the thing i would do there is a barcode and some corner marks so that the device can look up a fitting overlay online. much quick and reliable then a OCR... | 05:56 |
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| ali1234 | that's still AR | 05:57 |
| derf | http://studierstube.icg.tu-graz.ac.at/handheld_ar/artoolkitplus.php | 05:57 |
| t_s_o | true, but needs infrastructure changes to really be effective (replacing signs and setting up servers for translations) | 05:57 |
| t_s_o | on that note, i really hope that AR moves into a kind of always on scenario, where one have glasses or similar in use, rather then waving ones phone around all the time... | 05:59 |
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| pupnik_ | nokia n900 could recognize foreign signs | 06:00 |
| pupnik_ | needs investors, ovi/appstoree | 06:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Or product placement. | 06:02 |
| SpeedEvil | ovipositor | 06:02 |
| zerojay | anyone know how media player works? | 06:05 |
| zerojay | I'd like to get some chiptunes going. ;) | 06:05 |
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| lcuk | balls | 06:07 |
| lcuk | i get presentation time down under 10 mins | 06:07 |
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| lcuk | and then camera craps out at 830 | 06:07 |
| pupnik_ | yo dudes | 06:11 |
| pupnik_ | how does it feel to be involved with the greatest thing in the world | 06:11 |
| pupnik_ | freeing handhelds from evil control iss a really good raison d;etre | 06:11 |
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| pupnik_ | am i the only person here who feels charged with a mission from god| | 06:12 |
| t_s_o | i cant help wonder, will a carrier locked maemo 6 running device void the GPL3 license? | 06:13 |
| luke-jr | no | 06:14 |
| luke-jr | the lock is probably in the phone | 06:14 |
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| Texrat | hello | 06:15 |
| zerojay | hi | 06:15 |
| Texrat | ah, there is life! | 06:15 |
| luke-jr | O HAI THAR | 06:16 |
| t_s_o | luke-jr: it was just that i got the impression from the slides that a carrier locked maemo 6 would refuse to boot a non-signed setup | 06:16 |
| t_s_o | life there is, but i am not sure on quality or kind... | 06:16 |
| luke-jr | t_s_o: then it would void the GPL 2 as well | 06:16 |
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| Texrat | looks like someone removed the reference to the web irc page on the maemo wiki | 06:16 |
| luke-jr | but Nokia did that with the N810 anyway | 06:16 |
| luke-jr | so they probably don't care | 06:16 |
| t_s_o | meh, of to bed, have fun people | 06:17 |
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| pupnik_ | Texrat: hy | 06:20 |
| Texrat | hey Arnim | 06:20 |
| Texrat | you worried me by disappearing | 06:20 |
| Texrat | lol | 06:20 |
| Texrat | hey I'm equally sorry for talking your poor ear off | 06:20 |
| Texrat | just got so fired up by the event | 06:20 |
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| Texrat | sure | 06:21 |
| Texrat | cool, can't wait to see them | 06:21 |
| Texrat | lol... not the reaction I expected from my blabbering | 06:22 |
| pupnik_ | Texrat: pm | 06:22 |
| Texrat | I get carried away | 06:22 |
| pupnik_ | do you see the message i sent you| | 06:22 |
| Texrat | hey Arnim I'm working on a song inspired by the trip | 06:23 |
| Texrat | pupnik_:no not yet | 06:23 |
| pupnik_ | hmm i send you another private message | 06:23 |
| pupnik_ | try to respond on the private channel | 06:23 |
| lcuk | 10:01 | 06:24 |
| lcuk | will youtube accept it | 06:24 |
| lcuk | hi tekonivel | 06:25 |
| lcuk | hi Texrat even | 06:25 |
| Texrat | hey gary | 06:25 |
| lcuk | o_O i am a named person | 06:26 |
| * lcuk is not running over presentation again, how can i shave 1 second off it | 06:26 | |
| Texrat | ... | 06:26 |
| lcuk | :D | 06:26 |
| GAN900 | Texrat, web irc is evil. | 06:27 |
| Texrat | gan900: I'm lazy | 06:27 |
| lcuk | Texrat, not lazy, just focused | 06:28 |
| GAN900 | You should see the characters the web client on beagleboard.org drags in there. | 06:28 |
| Texrat | ha! thanks el cock but I'm allergic to focus | 06:28 |
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| lcuk | damnation i cant have youtube rejecting me again | 06:29 |
| lcuk | GAN900, how do i get rid | 06:29 |
| lcuk | we need live editing (from the cocreation) | 06:29 |
| GAN900 | Of? | 06:29 |
| lcuk | a video | 06:29 |
| lcuk | its 10:01 long | 06:29 |
| GAN900 | Delete it from My Videos | 06:29 |
| lcuk | and youtube already rejected one 15min vid of mine today - cos it was over 10mins | 06:29 |
| lcuk | i dont want to delete it | 06:29 |
| lcuk | i want to upload a new one to youtube | 06:30 |
| GAN900 | Dropdown under the account link in the top right. | 06:30 |
| lcuk | but it ran over a tiny bit | 06:30 |
| GAN900 | Oh, dunno. | 06:30 |
| * lcuk decides which end to cut - the silence at the start, or the thank you at the end | 06:31 | |
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| lcuk | virtualdub! | 06:34 |
| lcuk | Texrat, wheres the song then? | 06:35 |
| Texrat | in process el cock | 06:35 |
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| Texrat | lcuk what do you actually mean? were you expecting it to be finished already? | 06:36 |
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| lcuk | no but i half spotted it in the recent posts list a few hours ago | 06:37 |
| lcuk | but i didnt have time to read the thread | 06:37 |
| lcuk | by the sounds of the comments i did hit, there was something | 06:37 |
| Texrat | http://www.maemo-daemons.org/Raining%20in%20Amsterdam.wma | 06:38 |
| Texrat | there you go lcuk | 06:38 |
| Texrat | have not got to the vocal stuff yet | 06:38 |
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| GAN900 | wma | 06:45 |
| GAN900 | Texrat, that's worse than my .movs | 06:45 |
| Texrat | gan900, it's compact | 06:45 |
| Texrat | and I'm unable to get good MP3s | 06:46 |
| GAN900 | It's eeeeviiiiil | 06:47 |
| Texrat | yeah yeah | 06:47 |
| Texrat | but it works | 06:47 |
| Texrat | got it in ogg too if that helps :D | 06:48 |
| Texrat | but my N900 refuses to play ogg files even with the ogg-support installed | 06:48 |
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| ali1234 | accelerometer + physics sim + handheld device = fun | 06:57 |
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| lcuk | ali1234, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk27PenpAz0 | 07:08 |
| lcuk | gahhhhhhh | 07:08 |
| lcuk | now the damned batteries are dying | 07:08 |
| lcuk | Texrat, o_O you do the guitar yourself | 07:08 |
| ali1234 | wont play for some reason :( | 07:10 |
| lcuk | its youtube ! | 07:10 |
| lcuk | does any youtube play | 07:10 |
| ali1234 | yeah :/ | 07:11 |
| Texrat | lcuk all instruments in the song are virtual or sampled | 07:11 |
| lcuk | Texrat, nice | 07:11 |
| lcuk | you need to use n900 as midi controller ;) | 07:12 |
| Texrat | I love Band in a Box : ) | 07:12 |
| lcuk | accelereometer based air guitar ;) | 07:12 |
| Texrat | ooo ya | 07:12 |
| lcuk | bah! | 07:12 |
| lcuk | i keep pondering using the calendar to strum | 07:12 |
| lcuk | using the columns as the notes | 07:12 |
| Texrat | actually the N900 would work great as rainstick or maracas emulator | 07:12 |
| ali1234 | http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/maemo/dice.tar | 07:12 |
| lcuk | haha yeah | 07:12 |
| lcuk | ali1234, sorry, not installing random binaries from unknown person | 07:13 |
| ali1234 | suit yourself :) | 07:13 |
| Texrat | lol | 07:13 |
| Texrat | I got your binaries lcuk | 07:14 |
| lcuk | those come from maemo.org :) | 07:14 |
| lcuk | or did i use the buffer overflow exploit again? | 07:14 |
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| Texrat | ah that slide guitar does sound righteous | 07:16 |
| Texrat | makes me drift | 07:16 |
| lcuk | hah | 07:17 |
| Texrat | can't wait to get some vocals in | 07:17 |
| lcuk | yeah the backing track sound cool | 07:17 |
| Texrat | added hand claps to a few spots for punctuation | 07:17 |
| lcuk | we need collaborative singsong | 07:17 |
| Texrat | absolutely | 07:18 |
| Texrat | a whole album after next summit | 07:18 |
| lcuk | i so wanted the presentation to work at the summit | 07:18 |
| Texrat | sorry man | 07:18 |
| lcuk | the cocreation stuff was related to this kind of thing | 07:18 |
| Texrat | yeah I saw the synergy | 07:18 |
| * lcuk hates computers and technology | 07:18 | |
| Texrat | you gonna incorporate my idea? | 07:18 |
| lcuk | its been in mind for ages and ages | 07:19 |
| Texrat | oh crap then not my idea | 07:19 |
| Texrat | lol | 07:19 |
| Texrat | hey proximity = not only intensity but also magnetism | 07:19 |
| Texrat | so one device nabs content from another in passing | 07:19 |
| lcuk | first revision of the library has a slot ready for "jagernotes" which are going to be recordings of boxar | 07:19 |
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| lcuk | everything sketched on the screen records x,y,pressure+time | 07:20 |
| lcuk | so can theoretically be played back | 07:20 |
| Texrat | and physics! | 07:20 |
| lcuk | plug in different backends and any instrument is possible | 07:20 |
| lcuk | i dont like contagious like that | 07:20 |
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| lcuk | thats bad | 07:20 |
| Texrat | lol | 07:20 |
| lcuk | but if i enter a room with wifi | 07:20 |
| lcuk | and on the wifi there is a presentation/meeting/lesson/jammingsession in progress | 07:21 |
| lcuk | i should be able to join it | 07:21 |
| Texrat | sure | 07:21 |
| lcuk | once im joined the data is collaborative | 07:21 |
| lcuk | so when im making notes it works | 07:21 |
| Texrat | current bug: wifi does not always automatically reconnect | 07:21 |
| lcuk | not a big deal | 07:21 |
| Texrat | experienced at event | 07:21 |
| lcuk | but everyone currently walks somewhere and treats wifi like lifeblood itself | 07:22 |
| lcuk | "omg i need a connection" | 07:22 |
| Texrat | lol | 07:22 |
| Texrat | a fix! | 07:22 |
| lcuk | so we humans tend to fix it | 07:22 |
| * lcuk was offline for the entire weekend | 07:22 | |
| Texrat | wifi is more like clots than blood | 07:22 |
| lcuk | nahhh thats the cloud | 07:22 |
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| Texrat | lol | 07:22 |
| lcuk | fails more than it ever seems to work | 07:23 |
| Texrat | clouds are siloed | 07:23 |
| lcuk | there are so many places on earth with no remote networking | 07:23 |
| Texrat | no uber cloud | 07:23 |
| Texrat | sure | 07:23 |
| lcuk | its like gps | 07:23 |
| lcuk | meant to be the perfect location | 07:23 |
| lcuk | but it fails when you need it - inside with friends | 07:23 |
| Texrat | does N900 gps detect height? | 07:23 |
| lcuk | natural element of gps i would assume | 07:24 |
| Texrat | wonder how fine it can get | 07:24 |
| Texrat | feet? meters? miles? | 07:24 |
| lcuk | same res as elsewhere? | 07:24 |
| * Texrat shrugs | 07:24 | |
| lcuk | but it still fails - i want to just create an adhoc wifi network deep inside a cave | 07:24 |
| lcuk | and let people who visit the cave | 07:24 |
| Texrat | another element to explore for you | 07:24 |
| lcuk | draw on the graffiti wall | 07:25 |
| lcuk | gps doesnt bother me - its too global and not actually useful when i need it | 07:25 |
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| lcuk | damn damn damn | 07:26 |
| lcuk | where can i get batteries from | 07:26 |
| lcuk | at this late hour | 07:26 |
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| Texrat | eh, off to bed for an hour gang | 07:41 |
| Texrat | got a meeting coming up, sigh | 07:41 |
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| DHR | I'm looking for the "less" program for my n800. "more" comes with busybox, but I don't know where to find "less". There is a manpage: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages/less/ | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | apt-get install less? :P | 10:05 |
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| DHR | Stskeeps: I tried that but there seems to be no "less" in the repositories known to my apt-get (tableteer, maemo, and gizmoproject). Any other thoughts? | 10:17 |
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| Stskeeps | DHR: extras? dunno | 10:21 |
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| snokat | http://vkontakte.ru/reg21901733 http://vkontakte.ru/reg21901733 http://vkontakte.ru/reg21901733 http://vkontakte.ru/reg21901733 http://vkontakte.ru/reg21901733 http://vkontakte.ru/reg21901733 http://vkontakte.ru/reg21901733 http://vkontakte.ru/reg21901733 | 10:23 |
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| Meizirkki | how many opened that URL? | 10:26 |
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| daurnimator | hopefully none | 10:27 |
| Patina | hopefully someone punched snokat in the face. | 10:28 |
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| DHR | I've found less here: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/l/less/. Is there a repository that would get this for me? In other words, something that would let apt-get find this? | 10:31 |
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| timeless | string testers, why haven@'t you complained that my app name and control panel name don't match? :( | 10:38 |
| timeless | dhr; are you using diablo? | 10:39 |
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| timeless | it's in dikablo extras-devel | 10:45 |
| timeless | according to http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php | 10:46 |
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| Corsac | Khertan: still not around? | 11:09 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | morning jaffa | 11:09 |
| lbt | hi Jaffa | 11:11 |
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| * lbt not an iphone user - but can you use an iphone with fingernails? | 11:25 | |
| frankS2 | yes | 11:27 |
| lcuk | not in my experience | 11:29 |
| lcuk | mornin lbt | 11:29 |
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| lbt | o/ | 11:31 |
| lbt | just wondering as Imrs lbt has long fingernails and I notice she tends to use them in preference to fingers... just a thought from the 'girl' PoV | 11:33 |
| lbt | although the keyboard is unusable for her :( | 11:33 |
| jaska | iphone with fingernails? no go | 11:33 |
| jaska | ive tried using a friends one... | 11:33 |
| Jaffa | Yes! Hermes has now matched "Valerio Valerio" and VDVsx's properly accented Facebook account :) | 11:33 |
| lcuk | yes jaffa! | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | i forget, does the accents differ in firstname and surname? ;) | 11:34 |
| jaska | heavy metal umlauts? | 11:34 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: No, both e-acute | 11:34 |
| lbt | Valério Valério? | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | hm, n900 has actually made me actually use my thumbs in the right way on tablets | 11:35 |
| * lbt thinks he should change his name to Valério Valèrio .... maybe watching too much Mr Monk? | 11:36 | |
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| lcuk | ahhh finally got youtube to accept a video! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rEZxWjVvGo | 11:40 |
| lcuk | liqbase presentation - using liqbase presentation pager :) | 11:40 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Opposable thumbs FTW! | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: someone should make a panoramic wallpaper of http://i.imgur.com/94WpL.jpg | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | or something :P | 11:41 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Heh | 11:42 |
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| Macer | lol | 11:45 |
| * Stskeeps needs Tear for n900. | 11:48 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | Build it from SVN. | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | i am severely considering that | 11:48 |
| * Stskeeps should really dig out his extras-devel upload rights and post gnutar | 11:50 | |
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| frals | did the upgrades to the n8x0 ever upgrade the kernel version or was it just other software updates? | 11:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | OS2007 -> OS2008 resulted in a kernel update from 2.6.18 to 2.6.21. Apart from that, nothing. | 11:59 |
| frals | okey, cheers | 11:59 |
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| wazd | heya all :) | 12:03 |
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| Stskeeps | morning wazd | 12:05 |
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| ivan_ | . 0,00 | 12:17 |
| ivan_ | ops | 12:18 |
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| crashanddie_ | I hate how job websites require you to categorise yourself | 12:22 |
| crashanddie_ | yes, I wouldn't mind doing software development, I also wouldn't mind doing bizdev, nor would I mind product management, or system architect | 12:23 |
| crashanddie_ | why are those mutually exclusive? | 12:23 |
| Lupu | I especially hate the ones that require you to be an IE user for things to work. | 12:23 |
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| crashanddie_ | Lupu, that's usually just a user-agent hack to get around | 12:24 |
| crashanddie_ | Lupu, and those websites are dying fast, luckily | 12:24 |
| Lupu | Unfortunately a certain Maemo-related company has that problem... | 12:25 |
| crashanddie_ | ORLY? | 12:25 |
| crashanddie_ | link? | 12:25 |
| crashanddie_ | or it didn't happen :P | 12:25 |
| Lupu | at least my Firefox or girlfriend's Safari can't handle it. | 12:25 |
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| Lupu | Nokia's job search | 12:26 |
| crashanddie_ | Nokia's job search works fine lol | 12:26 |
| crashanddie_ | well, the UI is horrible, but it works | 12:26 |
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| Lupu | Not for me on FF or my girlfriend on Safari | 12:26 |
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| crashanddie_ | WORKSFORME | 12:27 |
| cvandonderen | Hi | 12:27 |
| Lupu | Do the jobs it supposedly find really match your search criteria? | 12:27 |
| cvandonderen | how can I delete a radio station from the online radio list? | 12:28 |
| Lupu | For me it "seemingly" works, but really finds completely undelated stuff | 12:28 |
| Lupu | whereas IE gives the correct results | 12:28 |
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| crashanddie_ | Lupu, when's the last time you tried? | 12:30 |
| crashanddie_ | Lupu, I remember that as well about a year ago, seems to be working fine now | 12:30 |
| Lupu | A few weeks ago | 12:30 |
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| timeless | cvandonderen: i'm not sure you do | 12:45 |
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| timeless | ah, tap and hold | 12:45 |
| cvandonderen | timeless: Yeah, though so, already writing a bug report about that | 12:45 |
| timeless | select delete | 12:45 |
| cvandonderen | where can I select delete? | 12:45 |
| timeless | from the listt view, i get a context menu | 12:46 |
| timeless | you're usiong an n900, right? | 12:46 |
| cvandonderen | timeless: yes | 12:46 |
| cvandonderen | at the top it only gives me: add radio bookmark & FM Transmitter | 12:46 |
| timeless | context menu | 12:46 |
| timeless | not title menu | 12:46 |
| cvandonderen | aah, you need to keep it clicked... | 12:46 |
| cvandonderen | not very usable.... | 12:47 |
| timeless | standard ui metaphor | 12:47 |
| cvandonderen | (or at least: easy to find | 12:47 |
| timeless | not sure it's covered in the tutorial | 12:47 |
| timeless | anyone, is tap+hold covered there? | 12:47 |
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| timeless | btw, what language are you using? | 12:49 |
| * timeless is looking for testers | 12:49 | |
| timeless | oh brother | 12:49 |
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| timeless | idiots | 12:49 |
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| timeless | the dialog says "delete file" | 12:49 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless: Actually, why was the spinning icon removed when you tap and hold? Too slow? Nokia make it a point to display an arrow in the titlebar when there is a menu that you can select so I'm wondering why remove the tap and hold icon which, really, serves the same purpose as the blue arrow in the title except for the tap and hold menu | 12:50 |
| * timeless doesn't usually call radio stations files | 12:50 | |
| timeless | qwerty: fwiw, the down area in the title was added after week 37 iirc | 12:50 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Yep, I saw, but I'm more curious about the tap and hold icon :) | 12:51 |
| timeless | ie incredibly late when user testing said "that menu isn't discoverasble, duh" | 12:51 |
| timeless | the ui team went for bare/clean, so my guess is they removed it because they didn't like it | 12:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Heh :\ | 12:52 |
| * timeless accidentally swipes pgup | 12:52 | |
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| mgedmin | augh! personal-ip-address.c assumes 4-space tabs | 13:00 |
| RST38h | well, how is it unusual? | 13:01 |
| RST38h | A pass with sed and it is fixed though | 13:01 |
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| mgedmin | what's the point of g_strdup_printf ("%s", line)? | 13:07 |
| RST38h | It strdups. | 13:08 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: so um | 13:08 |
| timeless_mbp | can you look into zenity for a bit? | 13:08 |
| mgedmin | so why not g_strdup()? | 13:08 |
| timeless_mbp | i need a way to pass --parent-window=xid | 13:09 |
| RST38h | No idea, the author was looking for fancier ways | 13:09 |
| mgedmin | also, this happens in a loop and reassigns the result to the same variable | 13:09 |
| mgedmin | yay memleaks | 13:09 |
| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: nokia code? :) | 13:09 |
| mgedmin | thankfully the loop is over a shell command output which is supposed to return exactly one line | 13:09 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: ok, so the guy probably came from Java world | 13:09 |
| mgedmin | no, wait, I've overlooked something | 13:10 |
| mgedmin | the gchar* is passed to gtk_label_set_text inside the loop | 13:10 |
| RST38h | That changes things | 13:10 |
| mgedmin | does gtk_label own the reference? | 13:10 |
| timeless_mbp | doubtful :) | 13:11 |
| mgedmin | things like these are why I program in Python and not C | 13:11 |
| mgedmin | hehe if (g_strcasecmp (interface, "") != 0) | 13:11 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd expect the available contracts are <share> or <clone> | 13:11 |
| timeless_mbp | CASE cmp! wow | 13:11 |
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| * timeless_mbp pokes Lynoure | 13:12 | |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: anyway, can you look into zenity for me? :) | 13:13 |
| timeless_mbp | i really need to be able to force a parent window | 13:13 |
| wazd | paintball is uber-cool | 13:13 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: gtk_label will take ownership and free it afaik | 13:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: Maybe | 13:13 |
| mgedmin | then I think we have a double free bug | 13:14 |
| crashanddie_ | wazd, i used to do competition paintball | 13:14 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: I would still check with gtk docs on gtk_label though | 13:14 |
| wazd | my legs are covered with bruises but I'm overexcited :) | 13:14 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: these apis are a mess | 13:14 |
| wazd | crashanddie_: oh, CTF? :) | 13:14 |
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| mgedmin | devhelp doesn't help much: "Sets the text within the GtkLabel widget. It overwrites any text that was there before." | 13:15 |
| wazd | crashanddie_: we were playing simple TvT on different maps | 13:15 |
| crashanddie_ | wazd, speedball ctf | 13:15 |
| wazd | crashanddie_: wow, that's cool :) | 13:15 |
| mgedmin | no, I'm certain that gtk_label_set_text doesn't free | 13:15 |
| mgedmin | because then ... wait, I take it back | 13:15 |
| wazd | The only thing I can complain is dirt. It was super-dirty | 13:15 |
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| crashanddie_ | wazd, suck it up | 13:16 |
| crashanddie_ | wazd, paintball is expensive and dirty | 13:16 |
| wazd | crashanddie_: no, it was like extraordinary dirty :D | 13:16 |
| wazd | crashanddie_: Normandy assault looks like jogging on a lawn near it :D | 13:17 |
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| wazd | crashanddie_: all safe covers were giant puddles | 13:17 |
| wazd | hope to play it this winter or next summer | 13:18 |
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| Lupu | crashanddie_: Seems like you're right, the site is now working for me in FF. | 13:22 |
| mgedmin | what's libhildondesktop1-dev? | 13:29 |
| mgedmin | something from diablo, or does it exist in fremantle | 13:29 |
| mgedmin | I ask because personal-ip-address build-depends on it, and I cannot install it in my scratchbox because of a nonexistent indirect libiphb0 dependency | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | you need to install token repo | 13:31 |
| mgedmin | token? | 13:31 |
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| mgedmin | oh, the nokia-binaries repo is not in my sources.list | 13:32 |
| mgedmin | I thought the sdk installer script had added it | 13:32 |
| mgedmin | wishlist: http://maemo.org/packages/view/libiphb0/ the repository names could be links to pages with a short description and the 'deb' and 'deb-src' lines | 13:33 |
| * mgedmin unhappy | 13:34 | |
| RST38h | this is the least of that interface problems | 13:35 |
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| chritto | latest liqbase presentation is very cool. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rEZxWjVvGo | 13:36 |
| mgedmin | how do I use a socks5 proxy with apt-get inside scratchbox? | 13:36 |
| mgedmin | waaah I want iptables | 13:37 |
| * mgedmin cries | 13:37 | |
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| RST38h | hm | 13:38 |
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| mgedmin | the absolute symlinks scratchbox uses are unfriendly | 13:41 |
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| mgedmin | can somebody please package tsocks for fremantle? | 13:43 |
| mgedmin | it's sunday and instead of using the free time for productively working on maemo people are sleeping or having a life offline, wtf? | 13:45 |
| frals | or getting ready for the exam week coming up :( | 13:46 |
| mgedmin | yay fixed personal-ip-address to work with peer-to-peer 3g links | 13:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/gtk+2.0-2.10.12/gtk/gtklabel.c#1252 | 13:48 |
| mgedmin | now to send a patch to fiferboy... | 13:48 |
| timeless_mbp | 1252 gtk_label_set_text (GtkLabel *label, | 13:48 |
| timeless_mbp | 1253 const gchar *str) | 13:48 |
| timeless_mbp | 1259 gtk_label_set_label_internal (label, g_strdup (str ? str : "")); | 13:48 |
| mgedmin | thank you, timeless_mbp! | 13:48 |
| timeless_mbp | thanks mxr | 13:49 |
| mgedmin | what's fiferboy's email address? | 13:50 |
| mgedmin | let's look at debian/copyright ... | 13:50 |
| mgedmin | Upstream Author: <put author(s) name and email here> | 13:50 |
| mgedmin | awesome | 13:50 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 13:50 |
| RST38h | he is shy. | 13:50 |
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| Stskeeps | mgedmin: proxychains wouldn't be a bad one either | 13:51 |
| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: mxr is your friend :) | 13:51 |
| mgedmin | "This package was debianized by Andrew Olmsted" (email snipped) | 13:51 |
| mgedmin | I hope that's him and not a copy & paste from some other package | 13:52 |
| mgedmin | Stskeeps: I'm not familiar with proxychains | 13:52 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/ident is the starting point, http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/ident?i=gtk_label_set_text is the intermediate | 13:52 |
| mgedmin | sounds cool | 13:52 |
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| mgedmin | timeless_mbp: any plans for indexing fremantle? | 13:52 |
| RST38h | http://maemo.org/profile/view/fiferboy/ | 13:52 |
| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: yeah, but it requires me to spend time | 13:53 |
| timeless_mbp | which keeps running away from me | 13:53 |
| mgedmin | d'oh! personal gprs monitor is in https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?classification=Extras but personal ip address isn't | 13:53 |
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| mgedmin | what's the bzr equivalent of git-format-patch? | 13:57 |
| mgedmin | see, I used bzr because I know it better | 13:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | heh | 14:10 |
| mgedmin | ouch, a screw and a washer just fell from under the table my laptop is on | 14:11 |
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| mgedmin | I don't have an Allen wrench with me | 14:12 |
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| mgedmin | what's with the disk space? | 14:24 |
| mgedmin | is ubifs like jffs: eats up space on every change, then garbage-collects blocks in the background? | 14:25 |
| mgedmin | I upgraded a small package (and had 2.7 megs left) and now I have 0 | 14:25 |
| mgedmin | plus the package is 20.5k | 14:26 |
| RST38h | usually it forces you to reboot and then garbage collects on startup :) | 14:26 |
| RST38h | See this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5450 | 14:27 |
| mgedmin | don't wanna reboot | 14:28 |
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| ShadowJK | if you're running the program in question, the old files are still there for sure | 14:46 |
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| mgedmin | first of all, it's 20 kb, second, when you upgrade a desktop applet it gets automatically reloaded, apparently | 14:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | yep | 14:51 |
| timeless_mbp | which tends to cause crashes IME :) | 14:52 |
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| v6sa | Hey guys | 14:54 |
| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: hello | 14:54 |
| v6sa | Can anyone point me to right place for Quake 3? :D | 14:54 |
| v6sa | on N900 | 14:55 |
| timeless_mbp | can you figure out what's failing now? :) | 14:55 |
| v6sa | I can't find any source of binaries | 14:55 |
| v6sa | *source OR binaries | 14:55 |
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| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: Haven't yet tried... But I could give it a shot. | 14:56 |
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| konttori_ | q3 is already in extras-devel | 15:00 |
| konttori_ | so, the source is there as well v6sa | 15:00 |
| konttori_ | what isn't there afaik, is opengles1.1 | 15:00 |
| mgedmin | magic: I did nothing, free space is still 0, but dpkg --configure -a now succeeds | 15:02 |
| mgedmin | background garbage collector theory got an argument in its favour | 15:02 |
| mgedmin | what's a unix command-line tool to show the f_bfree field of statvfs (df shows f_bavail, i.e. blocks available for non-root)? | 15:03 |
| mgedmin | stat -f / | 15:03 |
| mgedmin | free: 693 | 15:04 |
| v6sa | kkonttori_: I did apt-get install ioquake3 and copied q3demo files, I get segfault :S | 15:04 |
| mgedmin | and now free: 887 | 15:04 |
| v6sa | konttori_: I did apt-get install ioquake3 and copied q3demo files, I get segfault :S | 15:05 |
| konttori_ | do you have the opengl drivers? | 15:06 |
| v6sa | yeah QT4 opengl examples work | 15:06 |
| konttori_ | but those use opengles2.0 afaik | 15:07 |
| v6sa | so..? :D | 15:07 |
| mgedmin | now free: 786 -- it's shrinking again! wtf? | 15:09 |
| mgedmin | okay, I need to go grab some food | 15:09 |
| mgedmin | it's past lunchtime and I haven't had breakfast yet | 15:10 |
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| v6sa | konttori_: what else do I need to install? | 15:10 |
| konttori_ | v6sa: having not tested that recently, I don't know. | 15:11 |
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| RST38h | heya zap, konttori | 15:21 |
| zap | hi | 15:21 |
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| wazd | konttori_: hey konttori_ | 15:24 |
| wazd | konttori_: any new TM version? :) | 15:24 |
| konttori_ | wazd: just testing it as we speak | 15:25 |
| wazd | konttori_: there is a bug in wallpaper parsing | 15:25 |
| konttori_ | ? | 15:26 |
| wazd | konttori_: mediaplayer image looks wrong after parse | 15:26 |
| konttori_ | ah, you mean it looks squeezed? | 15:27 |
| wazd | konttori_: no, unfortunately qwerty12's shots are kinda disappeared so I can't show you | 15:28 |
| wazd | konttori_: but it looks like it have top half from one image and bottom half from the other | 15:28 |
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| konttori_ | oh, like that? hmm.. I'll take a look | 15:28 |
| * RST38h moos at wazd | 15:28 | |
| wazd | RST38h: heya | 15:29 |
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| RST38h | probably cut it from somewhere else... | 15:29 |
| konttori_ | ok, not anymore on the new one | 15:29 |
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| konttori_ | ok, great, now media player, appmanager, clock backgrounds work as they should. | 15:30 |
| wazd | konttori_: oh | 15:31 |
| wazd | konttori_: the funny thing is that it's not TM's bug | 15:31 |
| wazd | konttori_: it was on qwerty12's side, cause I just checked source files and they are ok | 15:31 |
| konttori_ | yeah, it's related to that the bg size was wrong | 15:32 |
| konttori_ | it needs to be 800x424. I corrected that now to the new version | 15:32 |
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| konttori_ | anybody know how to get gst support for flv files? (on the device) | 15:32 |
| wazd | konttori_: btw, have you added portrait_call.png to the template? | 15:32 |
| konttori_ | hmm... I can do so now if you want | 15:33 |
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| wazd | konttori_: well, I think it would be good to be able to change it too :) | 15:34 |
| konttori_ | yeah | 15:34 |
| wazd | konttori_: another question: I've found /usr/share/themes/marina/opera folder. Are you hiding something? :D | 15:35 |
| konttori_ | ok, added. | 15:36 |
| konttori_ | opera folder is pure legacy that I just haven't gotten rid of yet | 15:36 |
| konttori_ | if you take a look at it, it's full of crap only | 15:36 |
| konttori_ | eh, the opera.zip is the one full of crap. | 15:37 |
| konttori_ | so, no, no opera in sight | 15:37 |
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| konttori_ | anything else I should add? I would like to add the default avatar images, but I haven't found good default ones for the template | 15:39 |
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| wazd | konttori_: is rtcom-messaging-ui has aany sense? | 15:40 |
| konttori_ | I have no clue why that exists | 15:41 |
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| Stskeeps | rtcom-messaging-ui is the whole IM stuff? :P | 15:42 |
| wazd | konttori_: and no color variable for Conversations U | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | (i think) | 15:42 |
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| wazd | UI background | 15:42 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps reports that it's white | 15:42 |
| RST38h | konttori: do you know that there is a directory named cumulus in the / fs? | 15:43 |
| RST38h | and it comes with the clean firmware? | 15:43 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: how tall is the top bar in fremantle? | 15:45 |
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| lopz | hey ;) | 15:46 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: 56px | 15:48 |
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| wazd | konttori_: and another question: is TaskSwitcherNotificationBackground.png used? | 15:50 |
| wazd | konttori_: cause it's written in .psd file that it's not | 15:50 |
| RST38h | (shit, people, give wazd his N900 already :)) | 15:55 |
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| * ShadowJK is having way too much fun after his N810 battery became extremely worn/crap :-) | 15:58 | |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 15:58 |
| ShadowJK | just exploring all the bugs/features in the charging system | 15:59 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 15:59 |
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| ShadowJK | without charger connected right now, battery voltage sits at about 3500mV, which is below the point at which tablet starts complaining about low battery | 15:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | you mean when 'charged' ? | 16:00 |
| ShadowJK | Well... getting it charged is a challenge | 16:00 |
| SpeedEvil | new bat from ebay. | 16:00 |
| SpeedEvil | problem solved | 16:00 |
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| ShadowJK | When I connect charger, the entire 900mA from the charger gets dumped into the battery, this would be all fine and dandy with a fresh battery, but with this aged one, battery voltage climbs rapidly | 16:01 |
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| RST38h | from ebay? | 16:01 |
| ShadowJK | and reaches 4600mV in a few minutes, at which point bme does abort() | 16:01 |
| RST38h | won't stay soled for long | 16:01 |
| RST38h | s/soled/solved | 16:01 |
| wazd | RST38h: nobody have *mine* n900 :) | 16:01 |
| ShadowJK | in a non-RD-mode regular tablet this would make it reboot | 16:01 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Personally, batteries from ebay work well for me. | 16:01 |
| ShadowJK | s/reboot/reset | 16:01 |
| RST38h | wazd: Actually, Forum Nokia dev program does | 16:02 |
| ShadowJK | I tried just making bme restart constantly... but I ended up with a frighteningly hot battery :) | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Even genuine nokias aren't that much. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GENUINE-NOKIA-BP-4L-BATTERY-FOR-E71-N97-E63-N810-E90_W0QQitemZ180414517185QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_MobilePhones_MobilePhoneAccessories_MobilePhoneBatteries?hash=item2a018b0fc1 | 16:02 |
| derf | ShadowJK: bme makes my N810's battery disturbingly hot all on its own. | 16:03 |
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| ShadowJK | I connected a very weak charger, 300-ish mA... this limits the voltage rise, and bme doesn't panic | 16:03 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: If you just stick a nail through it and then run, it will be way more fun than doing the same with bme =) | 16:03 |
| ShadowJK | derf, nah mine barely got hot at all as new | 16:03 |
| derf | Well, mine's not new. | 16:03 |
| RST38h | wazd: Just send your personal data for the discount. | 16:04 |
| ShadowJK | As Lithium-Ion batteries age, the internal resistance increases.. with that comes more heat, and greater voltage sag | 16:04 |
| derf | I'm just saying, bme doesn't abort() for me. | 16:04 |
| derf | Just suddenly my pocket gets very warm. | 16:04 |
| wazd | RST38h: I already sent - no reply :) | 16:04 |
| RST38h | wazd: same here, will take a while judging from the previous experience | 16:05 |
| ShadowJK | you charge it in your pocket? :-) | 16:05 |
| derf | No, it happens both charging and discharging. | 16:05 |
| ShadowJK | anyway, "Closed switch voltage" or something like that in ftd is of interest | 16:05 |
| derf | But only once it gets down fairly low. | 16:05 |
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| zerojay | I think maemo.org has gone off the rails again. | 16:11 |
| javispedro | tmo? lol | 16:11 |
| zerojay | The packages interface. | 16:12 |
| javispedro | a. | 16:12 |
| RST38h | What is about it? | 16:16 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: ...UAE port... | 16:18 |
| javispedro | no interest from me... so low priority... :P | 16:19 |
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| javispedro | hi Firebird! did you get a SDL 1.3 sample app? | 16:20 |
| zerojay | RST38h: You know, it kind of surprised me when I found out who you were, by the way. | 16:20 |
| javispedro | zerojay: I was impressed when I noticed he was fms lol :) | 16:21 |
| Firebird | javispedro, yea | 16:22 |
| javispedro | and did it work in x86 sdk? | 16:22 |
| zerojay | Well, I didn't know him by fms... just as Marat, that guy that made iNES... probably the first emulator I used years and years ago. | 16:22 |
| Firebird | javispedro, I get the "no opengl on this system error" since my SDK doesn't have opengl/direct rendering | 16:23 |
| javispedro | Firebird: you get the gui up, don't you? then you have software rendering at least. it should work. | 16:23 |
| javispedro | libGLESv2 lib calls libGL1 which tries to use GLX then falls back to Mesa (AFAIK) | 16:24 |
| javispedro | (in fact the x86 clutter calls libGL1 directly) | 16:24 |
| Firebird | hm | 16:25 |
| javispedro | can you email me the test app? | 16:25 |
| javispedro | or the url where you get it from, if it's uploaded somewhere. | 16:25 |
| Firebird | I'll pastebin the modified source(got it from a ported nehe tutorial) | 16:26 |
| javispedro | ah, cool stuff. | 16:26 |
| Firebird | javispedro, http://pastebin.com/m69850982 | 16:27 |
| javispedro | ouch, extras-devel broken. I get file size mismatch. | 16:30 |
| RST38h | zerojay: And? | 16:30 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Returning to that UAE topic... =) | 16:31 |
| RST38h | javispedro: A lot of people seem to be preparing their lulz for the guy who makes a proper port ;) | 16:31 |
| javispedro | well, there are various kinds of lulz to choose from :) | 16:31 |
| javispedro | i am personally interested in the n64 one, so I'm monitoring it. | 16:32 |
| RST38h | These are good, real, old skool lulz =) | 16:32 |
| RST38h | N64 is probably going to be useless, both because of the performance and the software availability | 16:32 |
| * javispedro didn't hear that LALALALA | 16:32 | |
| * RST38h would say Genesis/Megadrive and Amiga are the most realistic platforms to do at the moment | 16:33 | |
| SpeedEvil | spectrum! | 16:33 |
| RST38h | ARM-optimized emulators exist, software available, performance sufficient | 16:33 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Spectrum is already done by myself =) | 16:33 |
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| javispedro | Firebird: can't get libsdl-1.3 from extras-devel (wrong file size) and can't build it from your source ("C compiler can't generate executables"?) | 16:34 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Oh! :) | 16:34 |
| SpeedEvil | accelerometer driven Pong? | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | With bluetooth 2-player mode? | 16:35 |
| javispedro | Firebird: i see it's trying to pass arm specific optimizations for the x86 build (-mfpu=vfp) | 16:35 |
| Firebird | javispedro, dunno, it went through the autobuilder, and the deb I built here works... | 16:35 |
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| RST38h | Speed: Accelerometer works in Speccy | 16:36 |
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| RST38h | Speed: As to 2-player, it should work as long as you know each other's ip addresses | 16:36 |
| javispedro | ouch. I see your sample uses ogles 1.1 | 16:36 |
| Firebird | yea | 16:36 |
| zerojay | RST38h: It was just a surprise that I would come across you again with Maemo, that's all. Really glad someone like you took an interest in it. | 16:36 |
| RST38h | ah, thanks | 16:37 |
| Firebird | I think the SDL ogles port is 1.1 also | 16:37 |
| javispedro | Firebird: ouch, then to test it I have to pull the ugly imagination sdk again | 16:37 |
| Firebird | or someone on a device could test? | 16:38 |
| Firebird | blarg, getting "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set" in the SDK | 16:38 |
| javispedro | running arm binaries in x85 target. | 16:38 |
| Firebird | ah right, forgot I recompiled them | 16:39 |
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| javispedro | ouch, found out. I had vfp in DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS. | 16:39 |
| Firebird | hm, SDL 1.3 GLES is indeed 1.1 :/ | 16:41 |
| javispedro | that kinda sucks. are you sure there isn't a way to require a specific version drawable? | 16:41 |
| Firebird | though, there is code also for 2.0 in there O_o | 16:41 |
| v6sa | Hey guys is there any information how to reflash N900? | 16:41 |
| Firebird | javispedro, a 2.0 program could possibly work... I haven't read my opengles 2.0 book yet though | 16:43 |
| javispedro | a 2.0 program may need a specific bit in the surface options. I don't know if the powervr implementation requires it tho. | 16:43 |
| Firebird | pandora supposedly uses opengles2.0 so maybe.. just maybe it will work? | 16:45 |
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| atmosx | hello | 16:46 |
| javispedro | Firebird: device has ogles 1.1 , so it will work. | 16:46 |
| javispedro | (I mean, apart from ogles 2.0) | 16:46 |
| javispedro | but it would be interesting to know if you can just throw in ogles 2 calls in there. | 16:46 |
| RST38h | javispedro: you mean 8085? =) | 16:47 |
| javispedro | lol, it existed. | 16:47 |
| RST38h | of course it did | 16:47 |
| zerojay | v6sa: You need the flasher program along with the firmware/emmc images. | 16:47 |
| zerojay | v6sa: flasher-3.5 -F [firmware image] -f | 16:48 |
| zerojay | v6sa: flasher-3.5 -F [emmc image] -f | 16:48 |
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| v6sa | zerojay: Where can I get image for n900? | 16:49 |
| Firebird | javispedro, do you have the source of that red triangle ogl test? | 16:49 |
| javispedro | of course | 16:49 |
| zerojay | v6sa: From Nokia. | 16:49 |
| javispedro | Firebird: | 16:49 |
| javispedro | 16:49 | |
| javispedro | damn. | 16:49 |
| javispedro | Firebird: http://depot.javispedro.com/oglesv2test/ogltest.tar.gz | 16:49 |
| Firebird | thanks | 16:49 |
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| zerojay | v6sa: The firmware images I have access to are individually encrypted and passworded. I'm not allowed to hand them out as far as I know. | 16:50 |
| javispedro | Firebird: specially look at ogl.c file | 16:50 |
| v6sa | okay I see | 16:50 |
| zerojay | v6sa: And no firmware images have been made public. If you're having problems with your device and require reflashing, I would get a hold of Quim Gil. | 16:51 |
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| v6sa | zerojay: What about repartitioning? My root partition is way too small | 16:55 |
| zerojay | v6sa: I've never done it. I've never tried. I'm sure someone else here must have. | 16:55 |
| Firebird | javispedro, does ogl 1.1 use egl? | 16:56 |
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| javispedro | yes | 16:58 |
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| vladovg | hi all | 16:59 |
| vladovg | :) | 16:59 |
| ShadowJK | v6sa, root partition as in / ubifs? | 16:59 |
| v6sa | yup | 17:01 |
| wazd | ohoh. Genesis please! | 17:01 |
| ShadowJK | v6sa, it can't be enlarged | 17:01 |
| v6sa | eh? | 17:01 |
| ShadowJK | it's not part of the 32GByte emmc | 17:01 |
| v6sa | aa | 17:01 |
| v6sa | but how can I install more software then? :S | 17:02 |
| RST38h | The Java thread finally went crazy | 17:02 |
| * RST38h has been waiting for this moment: sooner or later it would join the MMS thread in craziness | 17:02 | |
| ShadowJK | v6sa, well, there's a thread on tmo where qgil asked people who fill up their / to list the software they installed, so that we can complain to the people who made packages that use much space on / :) | 17:02 |
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| v6sa | haha | 17:02 |
| v6sa | okay then | 17:03 |
| v6sa | it would be okay to move /usr and mount from other partition? | 17:03 |
| * wazd drools at the thoughts bout playing Road Rash on his good ol' n800 :) | 17:03 | |
| zerojay | RST38h: The one and only reason I would want JME on an N900 is just to play the cell phone games my company made... other than that, Java - in all its forms - should be murdered. | 17:04 |
| ShadowJK | v6sa, might be, if the other partitions are available early enough in boot. wont work on vfat/fat32 partition though. | 17:04 |
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| ShadowJK | you'd need to symlink stuff across and so on, too.. | 17:04 |
| v6sa | not really | 17:04 |
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| v6sa | mount --bind helps :D | 17:04 |
| v6sa | but other question | 17:04 |
| ShadowJK | But if nobody ever reports what packages use up space on / this problem is never going to get fixed :) | 17:04 |
| v6sa | where are the phone numbers stored? | 17:04 |
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| RST38h | zerojay: I 100% agree | 17:06 |
| RST38h | wazd: You can do it right away | 17:06 |
| RST38h | wazd: Install MasterGear (MG) from Extras and get yourself an SMS or GG copy of RoadRash. Case closed. | 17:07 |
| RST38h | zerojay: See here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32914&page=5 (fun starts at the top) | 17:08 |
| zerojay | Yeah, I just got caught up. | 17:09 |
| derf | What astounds me even more is that a company filled with smart people like Google would base an entire phone OS on the language. | 17:09 |
| RST38h | derf: Not the whole company | 17:10 |
| derf | RST38h: I know not the whole company. | 17:10 |
| RST38h | derf: Google hates Java in general, it is one of the questions on their interview | 17:10 |
| RST38h | derf: "Which language you think we are NOT using on large scale?" | 17:10 |
| javispedro | Google != Android | 17:10 |
| javispedro | They bough it half the way, remember. | 17:10 |
| derf | I know the whole company isn't smart people, too. | 17:10 |
| RST38h | derf: But the Android team came up with a coherent vision and java was part of it, so it is there | 17:10 |
| RST38h | And I know some very smart people who still believe in Java, or a limited subset of Java | 17:11 |
| derf | I know more than one person who was interested in Android, then found out it was Java, and immediately lost interest. | 17:11 |
| mikhas | good for us. I hope they hate java for the right reasons though ... | 17:12 |
| derf | I mean, I believe in Java for certain things. | 17:12 |
| wazd | RST38h: it's more a matter of nostalgia, want exactly Road Rash 3 :) | 17:12 |
| RST38h | mikhas: Same as everyone else | 17:12 |
| derf | An embedded system is not one of them. | 17:12 |
| wazd | RST38h: my first game ever :) | 17:13 |
| RST38h | mikhas: Resource hog, slow, not really portable even between secondary JVM versions | 17:13 |
| RST38h | wazd: Let me check | 17:13 |
| derf | Java is a good language to use when you have lots of mediocre programmers and don't care about performance. | 17:13 |
| mikhas | well, I still want to see how the G1 gc performs on embed devices | 17:13 |
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| RST38h | derf: When you have a lot of mediocre programmers the good language is the one you write in their pink slips | 17:14 |
| wazd | bbl, have to give my sister some cash :) | 17:14 |
| derf | RST38h: Not in government contracting. | 17:14 |
| RST38h | derf: No, really. You can't sanely believe in getting away with mediocre employees | 17:15 |
| derf | Lots of mediocre programmers == lots of billable hours. | 17:15 |
| RST38h | derf: That is different... | 17:15 |
| derf | Guess what language we use... | 17:15 |
| RST38h | wazd: I think I have RR3 for SMS | 17:15 |
| RST38h | derf: PL/I? =) | 17:15 |
| derf | Haha. | 17:15 |
| RST38h | Ok, I have got RoadRash1 (but not 3) for both systes | 17:16 |
| RST38h | ms | 17:16 |
| derf | The other place you see lots of Java is "enterprise" software. | 17:16 |
| derf | And it's probably not a bad match there, either. | 17:17 |
| derf | You get mediocre programmers, because there the only ones who would be interested in most of the problems they have to solve, and it's cheaper to just buy beefier hardware than to let them use C. | 17:18 |
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| RST38h | derf: they can't progra in either | 17:19 |
| RST38h | c, java, who cares, they just can't program | 17:19 |
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| RST38h | fortunately, outside of j2me, java is going away, so let us rejoice | 17:19 |
| derf | I haven't used it for anything imporant in 3 or 4 years. | 17:20 |
| derf | It's been great. | 17:20 |
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| javispedro | Of course Java is great., | 17:20 |
| RST38h | Next goal: Get rid of XML! | 17:20 |
| lardman | afternoon | 17:20 |
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| javispedro | hi lardman | 17:20 |
| lardman | hi javispedro | 17:21 |
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| Firebird | hurray, its finished, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=350109&postcount=5 | 17:26 |
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| wnd | that's nice | 17:27 |
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| mikhas | newbie question: how do I replace the boot video? | 17:30 |
| Firebird | mikhas, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=347925&postcount=9 | 17:31 |
| mikhas | cool, thanks! | 17:31 |
| * RST38h once again wonders if Andre comes out with bogus reasons for wontfixing bugs on his own or whether he just relays information from someone else | 17:36 | |
| RST38h | It is Sunday, so that must be his own attempt at kicking people off: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5567 | 17:36 |
| javispedro | lol | 17:36 |
| javispedro | gartner says maemo will have 4,5% market in 2021 | 17:37 |
| javispedro | er.. 2012 | 17:37 |
| javispedro | 4.5% market . | 17:37 |
| RST38h | market of what? | 17:37 |
| javispedro | of "smartphone operating systems" | 17:37 |
| RST38h | oh | 17:37 |
| GAN900_ | RST38h, :roll: | 17:38 |
| RST38h | what is the market share currently held by N95/N82/N97/etc? | 17:38 |
| RST38h | GAN: I am really tired of it, you know? | 17:38 |
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| RST38h | GAN: If he closes the bug, at least he should come up with a good enough reason. After all, *I* am trying to come up with the best bug description, right? | 17:38 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, killing the messenger wont help. | 17:39 |
| javispedro | RST38h: what's the bug report for anyway? that's the behaviour I would expect. | 17:39 |
| RST38h | javis: Well, consider this | 17:39 |
| RST38h | javis: You are looking at the POP3 mailbox from Modest. You mark a few messages deleted and do Send&Receive. Messages go away from Modest. | 17:39 |
| RST38h | javis: But next time you open Modest they still come up | 17:40 |
| javispedro | that's the bug. modest should keep the msg ids. | 17:40 |
| RST38h | javis: And, btw, if you try deleting them from the mailbox using some other means, Modest will hang and no longer show up-todate mailbox contents | 17:40 |
| javispedro | and not retrieve them again. | 17:40 |
| javispedro | lol. | 17:40 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: so... | 17:40 |
| RST38h | javis: The only reason why I have not mentioned it is because I was afraid of mr Klapper marking the bug "vague" :) | 17:40 |
| timeless_mbp | bugs against upstream apps should really be filed upstream | 17:40 |
| RST38h | what is "upstream app" here? | 17:41 |
| timeless_mbp | they have a trac system somewhere | 17:41 |
| timeless_mbp | it's tinymail | 17:41 |
| timeless_mbp | http://tinymail.org/trac/tinymail | 17:41 |
| RST38h | As far as I am concerned it is a bug in Modest. As a user, I do not wanna know what upstream app Modest uses. | 17:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | um | 17:42 |
| TechGeek2 | how can i enable RD mode in maemo 4 on the terminal? | 17:42 |
| andre__ | RST38h, i don't think that mentioning *more* makes a bug *more* vague | 17:42 |
| timeless_mbp | the moment you start speaking Protocols you aren't a user | 17:42 |
| RST38h | In other words, you have done a little bit better than Andre with your wontfix reasoning, but still no doughnut | 17:42 |
| timeless_mbp | users do not speak protocols | 17:42 |
| timeless_mbp | people who speak protocols can find upstreams | 17:42 |
| andre__ | RST38h, talking in third person is annoying | 17:43 |
| andre__ | if you have an issue, i'm around | 17:43 |
| RST38h | andre: Oh, believe me, really weird shit starts happening in the case described above. If I could pinpoint the exact nature of it I would mention it :( | 17:43 |
| RST38h | andre: See the tracker. | 17:43 |
| andre__ | and with regard to bogus: nope. i've been in gnome evolution for five years. i think i know the basics | 17:43 |
| andre__ | pop3 is pop3. | 17:43 |
| TechGeek2 | can someone please help me? I need to enable RD mode to do sudo gainroot | 17:43 |
| timeless_mbp | TechGeek2: you don't | 17:43 |
| andre__ | TechGeek2, no, you do not. | 17:43 |
| timeless_mbp | install 'rootsh' | 17:43 |
| andre__ | instead, install rootsh | 17:43 |
| RST38h | andre: Well if I delete the message I expect it to be deleted. Otherwise, Modest should not allow me to delete messages. | 17:44 |
| andre__ | RST38h, use imap. | 17:44 |
| andre__ | or understand what pop is about. | 17:44 |
| RST38h | andre: There is nothing preventing modest from doing DELE and then UPDATE on Send&Receive | 17:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | andre__: fwiw, technically, he's right | 17:44 |
| RST38h | andre: I am using whatever I am given. | 17:44 |
| timeless_mbp | in practice, there's no way this will be fixed | 17:44 |
| javispedro | the bug here is that modest should not delete POP3 message if set to keep msgs on server but shadow them. | 17:44 |
| javispedro | keeping the ids. | 17:45 |
| timeless_mbp | and if he wants it to work, he needs to file it upstream | 17:45 |
| javispedro | versamail on my oldie palm did that. | 17:45 |
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| TechGeek2 | aah thank you | 17:45 |
| RST38h | andre: I do not need to know how protocol works to see that Modest does not operate properly, from user point of view | 17:45 |
| andre__ | javispedro has the better wording :) | 17:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | andre__: i like how someone lied to you about how bookmarks work :) | 17:45 |
| andre__ | RST38h, hmm. maybe i've been just using buggy implementations of this myself in the past and you are right :-/ | 17:46 |
| RST38h | andre: The only reason why I went and searched for POP3 RFC is to make a point. | 17:46 |
| andre__ | timeless, heh. good to know :-P | 17:46 |
| andre__ | RST38h, having that point in the initial report would have helped. | 17:46 |
| konttori_ | ah, so, opengles1.0 should now be in extras devel | 17:46 |
| timeless_mbp | you need to learn to never trust finns or ui designers :) | 17:46 |
| javispedro | konttori_: omg! good news! | 17:46 |
| javispedro | Firebird: ping | 17:46 |
| Firebird | ? | 17:46 |
| javispedro | ^^ read above | 17:46 |
| javispedro | konttori_: hm.. you mean x86 extras? | 17:48 |
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| konttori_ | eh, in arm extras | 17:48 |
| TechGeek2 | how do I point dpkg -i to dokg something on the removable memory card? | 17:48 |
| Firebird | thought there was already one in nokia-binaries | 17:48 |
| javispedro | yeah, me too. | 17:48 |
| RST38h | andre: BTW, saying that it is not Nokia's fault also won't fly, as the problem has been observed in Modest. No user will know what that tinymail thing is. | 17:48 |
| javispedro | sorry, I though x86 extras :( :P | 17:48 |
| timeless_mbp | TechGeek2: err, why/ | 17:48 |
| timeless_mbp | rootsh is in the repositories | 17:49 |
| timeless_mbp | -i takes a path... | 17:49 |
| RST38h | (may I suggest actually fixing it rather than coming up with an excuse? :)) | 17:49 |
| TechGeek2 | i already got root - i'm trying to install somehitng | 17:49 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: asking a triager to fix a bug is rude and stupid | 17:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | if there are 10,000 bugs | 17:49 |
| timeless_mbp | asking one person to fix all of them .... | 17:49 |
| javispedro | wikipedia is plain more wrong every day. | 17:49 |
| javispedro | The system has 256 MB of dedicated RAM (Mobile DDR) along with 768 MB of swap on a separate 768MB NAND area (not part of the 32GBs storrage) | 17:49 |
| RST38h | The triager may at least bring the bug to the attention of the relevant developer, can't he? | 17:49 |
| javispedro | lmao. | 17:49 |
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| RST38h | Isn't this what triagers are supposed to do? | 17:50 |
| andre__ | RST38h, i didn't say that yet i think :) | 17:50 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: no | 17:50 |
| TechGeek2 | timeless_mbp if it do "dpkg -i filename" how can I get the filename to be a file on teh removable memory card | 17:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | he could try to bring it to the attention of the right team | 17:50 |
| epa_ | anyone working on getting encfs for swap and userdata? | 17:50 |
| timeless_mbp | TechGeek2: -i takes a path, not a file | 17:50 |
| konttori_ | javispedro: do you have a n900 now? | 17:50 |
| RST38h | andre: Well, that was timeless' idea, he is more experienced in this kinda thing | 17:50 |
| andre__ | ah. heh | 17:50 |
| epa_ | well ok swap could be block crypted. | 17:50 |
| javispedro | konttori_: been invited to the dev program, but not yet. | 17:50 |
| TechGeek2 | ok then - what's the path to the removable memory card? | 17:51 |
| konttori_ | ok, so you should get one soon then I suppose | 17:51 |
| timeless_mbp | TechGeek2 it's in /media/... | 17:51 |
| timeless_mbp | use tab completion | 17:51 |
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| TechGeek2 | ok I have a file on the card I want to dpkg. Would I use "dpkg /media/ libdtmx0.deb" to do it? | 17:52 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 17:52 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 17:52 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 17:52 |
| timeless_mbp | /media/ is a path to a directory | 17:52 |
| * qwerty12_N810 laughs at the irony of the nick | 17:52 | |
| timeless_mbp | dpkg wants a command argument first | 17:53 |
| timeless_mbp | (-i) | 17:53 |
| timeless_mbp | and -i wants a path to a *file* | 17:53 |
| javispedro | I have this feeling he wants to "install to media card". | 17:53 |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 17:53 |
| timeless_mbp | eww | 17:53 |
| timeless_mbp | "sorry" | 17:53 |
| javispedro | TechGeek2: can you describe what do you want exactly? | 17:53 |
| TechGeek2 | I want to install this http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=27508&page=2 | 17:53 |
| ShadowJK | Hm, even when charging at a very modest rate (250mA), my N810 is getting warm :/ | 17:54 |
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| ShadowJK | This battery is so f-d up :-) | 17:54 |
| homeasvs__ | anyone know how I can force my n800 to rescan the media library ? | 17:54 |
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| javispedro | then it's me the one who's wrong and timeless was right :) | 17:54 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't have to always be right | 17:54 |
| timeless_mbp | ambiguity is hazardous to everyone | 17:55 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm just rarely wrong :) | 17:55 |
| TechGeek2 | all i need is the directory of the media card | 17:55 |
| konttori_ | homeasvs__: tracker-processes -r | 17:55 |
| javispedro | isn't it /media/mmc1/ like usual? | 17:56 |
| b-man17 | yup | 17:56 |
| konttori_ | then run tracker-status | 17:56 |
| konttori_ | homeasvs__: on, n800. no clue | 17:56 |
| TechGeek2 | jacispedro no that doesnt work | 17:56 |
| b-man17 | TechGeek2: dpkg -i /medi/mmc1/libtdmxo.deb? | 17:57 |
| homeasvs__ | konttori_, so those instructions were for what ? | 17:57 |
| javispedro | /mediA | 17:57 |
| TechGeek2 | i'm currently entering "dpkg -i /media/mmc1/ libtmx0a.deb (i renamed the file) | 17:57 |
| konttori_ | homeasvs__: for n900 | 17:57 |
| * b-man17 noticed his typo >< | 17:57 | |
| TechGeek2 | ^there was a d in there | 17:58 |
| javispedro | so, do we have an official page explaining the n900 part layout I can use as a wikipedia ref? | 17:58 |
| timeless_mbp | TechGeek2: you don't want a space between the path and the file ... | 17:58 |
| javispedro | I am bit sick of people pointing to wikipedia which points to random wrong sources. | 17:58 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: doubtful | 17:58 |
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| b-man17 | TechGeek2: try dpkg -i /media/mmc1/libtdmxo.deb and if that doen´t work, try dpkg -i /media/mmc1/libtdmxo.deb | 17:59 |
| b-man17 | doesn´t | 17:59 |
| * b-man17 needs some coffe | 17:59 | |
| RST38h | javispedro: good people point directly to Encyclopedia Dramatica but do not disclose that | 17:59 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Provides for endless fun | 17:59 |
| javispedro | I'd prefer to point to another news page pointing to wikipedia. | 18:00 |
| TechGeek2 | b-man i cant see the difference between the 2 | 18:00 |
| javispedro | endless loop fun. | 18:00 |
| RST38h | hehe | 18:00 |
| javispedro | at this point, I could basically put up some weird acronym, like "N900 has MTIID" and get away with it. | 18:00 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 18:01 |
| timeless_mbp | someone could probably take df output and post it somewhere | 18:01 |
| timeless_mbp | preferably w/o the sizes | 18:01 |
| timeless_mbp | since they're subject to change | 18:01 |
| TechGeek2 | ^ i found the error | 18:01 |
| timeless_mbp | for more fun, one could explain autorun.inf and the .documents and Mac OS folders :) | 18:01 |
| javispedro | autorun.inf? lol | 18:02 |
| TechGeek2 | yay it worked | 18:02 |
| * javispedro puts up a template:citation needed for first time in his life | 18:02 | |
| TechGeek2 | it was on his website he wrote the filename as libdtmx0 and the filename was actually libdmtx0 | 18:02 |
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| javispedro | now that zerojay finally confessed you can't actually make video jingle calls using the N900 (being reserved for another sw upgrade), I wonder about the wikipedia "can be used to do video calls using Google Talk" factoid. | 18:08 |
| RST38h | It is easier to google things than look for them on wikipedia | 18:09 |
| javispedro | "As the Nokia N900 has fewer hardware buttons.." compared to WHAT again? who writes those things. | 18:09 |
| konttori_ | I think you can still see the other person if you make a gtalk call | 18:09 |
| RST38h | konttori: Should we try? | 18:09 |
| konttori_ | but when you try enabling your video, it dies. (as far as I remember) | 18:09 |
| javispedro | at, so it should be a high priority bug then :P | 18:09 |
| konttori_ | only works between n810/n800 and n900 | 18:09 |
| RST38h | You got a camera in that Mac, didn't you? | 18:09 |
| javispedro | oh, that's good enough for me (same as n810 then) | 18:10 |
| RST38h | konttori: So it won't work from a Max? | 18:10 |
| RST38h | Mac | 18:10 |
| javispedro | RST38h: macs using a standard protocol? right over jobs colds fingers. | 18:10 |
| konttori_ | anyway, video calls should come some time this year | 18:10 |
| konttori_ | s/should/will | 18:10 |
| javispedro | :) | 18:10 |
| javispedro | "Typical battery time for the N810 is around 4 hours"???? | 18:11 |
| javispedro | wtf. I get 6 hours with processor at full speed. | 18:11 |
| javispedro | how's typical going to be 4. | 18:11 |
| lcuk | normal users run mahjong - that thing is a battery killer :P | 18:12 |
| javispedro | worse thing is that quote nokiausa.com | 18:12 |
| RST38h | konttori <-- just revealed upcoming SSU before the end of 2009 | 18:12 |
| javispedro | RST38h: "we" (since I consider myself a future n900 owner now) have been promised portrait browser too. | 18:13 |
| RST38h | javis: 4 hours playing video is gonna be typical | 18:13 |
| TechGeek2 | ok so I did the dpkg successfully (I ahve no idea what it did but it did something) and I used chmod a+x on the other file and it worked. what do i do now? it doesn't say in the forum | 18:13 |
| RST38h | javis: Portrait browser is implemented | 18:13 |
| konttori_ | portrait browsing works quite nicely already. | 18:13 |
| RST38h | javis: Seen it in action | 18:13 |
| javispedro | ah, good to know :) | 18:13 |
| RST38h | javis: Just disabled in 41.10 | 18:13 |
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| konttori_ | it's only matter of when it's released. | 18:13 |
| aSIMULAtur | heh | 18:13 |
| lcuk | does it still need ui including tho? | 18:13 |
| RST38h | Actually, zoom-with-reflow is also implemented | 18:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: "Disabled" or "Not present"? | 18:14 |
| RST38h | qwerty: disabled | 18:14 |
| lcuk | like the phone has the "auto/portrait" switch or something | 18:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Good. I've got some spare time. | 18:14 |
| RST38h | Ctrl+Shift+R should (theoretically) turn on zoom-with-reflow | 18:14 |
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| javispedro | cool. | 18:15 |
| RST38h | there is hope that this feature will be enabled via about:config, because the UI people protest its inclusion by default | 18:16 |
| TechGeek2 | last question for me: how do I get permission to open a file from the terminal? I try opening it and it says Permission denied | 18:16 |
| RST38h | you try opening what? | 18:16 |
| TechGeek2 | the QR reader file that i made an executable | 18:17 |
| RST38h | ah, you have to place it into partition that allows execution | 18:17 |
| RST38h | mv qreader /usr/bin for example | 18:17 |
| TechGeek2 | does the internal memory card support execution? | 18:19 |
| javispedro | the ext3 partition does. | 18:19 |
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| javispedro | (/home/user for example) | 18:19 |
| javispedro | MyDocs does not. | 18:19 |
| TechGeek2 | ok I typed "mv /media/mmc1/mbarcode /usr/bin" and it cant find it. what am i m issing? | 18:20 |
| javispedro | emelfm2. | 18:20 |
| javispedro | is it already packaged? | 18:20 |
| TechGeek2 | There were 2 files. I did dpkg -i to one. I did chmod a+x to mbarcode | 18:21 |
| TechGeek2 | qwerty12 are you here? | 18:22 |
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| RST38h | TheGeek2: move mbarcode to /usr/bin | 18:27 |
| RST38h | than run it | 18:27 |
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| TechGeek2 | how do I move it? | 18:32 |
| TechGeek2 | I typed "mv /media/mmc1/mbarcode /usr/bin" and it doesnt work | 18:32 |
| RST38h | [patiently] You type mv mbarcode /usr/bin | 18:32 |
| RST38h | what does i say? | 18:33 |
| TechGeek2 | it says: cannot rename 'mbarcode':no such file or directory | 18:33 |
| RST38h | ok | 18:33 |
| RST38h | please do "ls -l" and see if mbarcode is there | 18:34 |
| ifreq | linux basics chan?:) | 18:34 |
| ifreq | *nix | 18:34 |
| * RST38h sighs | 18:34 | |
| javispedro | this is why Maemo is still not for the average Joe! </idiot> ;) | 18:35 |
| TechGeek2 | i don't do linux i do xp - 7 computer help. there is no other mbarcode | 18:35 |
| RST38h | mbarcode is not, at least | 18:35 |
| RST38h | TechGeek2: Ok. Let us do it the traditional IT way | 18:35 |
| TechGeek2 | i think you need to tell it where mbarcode is | 18:35 |
| RST38h | You are in XTerm right? | 18:35 |
| TechGeek2 | yes | 18:35 |
| RST38h | And this is what? N900? | 18:36 |
| TechGeek2 | n810 | 18:36 |
| RST38h | Ok | 18:36 |
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| RST38h | Please type "ls -l ~user" and see if you can find mbarcode there | 18:36 |
| RST38h | (press enter after you type that line) | 18:36 |
| TechGeek2 | I typed it and nothing showed up, it just changed the default directory | 18:37 |
| RST38h | really? it did? | 18:38 |
| RST38h | how do you know which directory is default then? | 18:38 |
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| TechGeek2 | it doesn't have ~ sh anymore | 18:38 |
| RST38h | Ok. Could you please copy the output of the commands you type and paste it here: www.pastebin.com ? | 18:39 |
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| RST38h | then give me the url | 18:40 |
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| ifreq | RST38h: i think you get best results from askjeeves.com | 18:41 |
| * RST38h suspects so too, but he is bored and doing something else in the adjacent window | 18:41 | |
| TechGeek2 | how do i copy it? | 18:42 |
| ifreq | hrr | 18:42 |
| RST38h | ok, forget that | 18:42 |
| TechGeek2 | i got it | 18:42 |
| RST38h | really? | 18:42 |
| TechGeek2 | pastebin.com/d2053a356 | 18:43 |
| RST38h | Cooool | 18:43 |
| andre__ | for future reference, using http:// in front of a link on irc makes it clickable for me :) | 18:45 |
| RST38h | ok I see | 18:45 |
| javispedro | me too. | 18:45 |
| RST38h | TechGeek2: Please hold Ctrl key and while holding it press C, then release C and Ctrl | 18:45 |
| TechGeek2 | copy? | 18:46 |
| javispedro | can anyone provide me a screenshot of ovi maps with 3d buildings? I want to see what's the rendering depth. | 18:46 |
| TechGeek2 | that doesn't do anything in terminal | 18:46 |
| * zerojay looks at channel. | 18:46 | |
| TechGeek2 | it makes a new line | 18:46 |
| RST38h | Good. What is written on the new line? | 18:47 |
| zerojay | loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool | 18:47 |
| TechGeek2 | it's empty | 18:47 |
| RST38h | good | 18:47 |
| zerojay | RST38h: You're teaching him how to port Android? | 18:47 |
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| javispedro | android? Xenix. | 18:48 |
| RST38h | zerojay: I am trying to figure out what he is doing. It is kinda like controlling a martian rover | 18:48 |
| andre__ | javispedro, if you tell me how to get to such a view.... never seen it myself yet :) | 18:48 |
| zerojay | RST38h: lol | 18:48 |
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| RST38h | TechGeek2: All right, please type this: ls -l /media/mmc1 | 18:48 |
| javispedro | andre__: it should theoretically do that in 3d views around big cities (barcelona, ...) | 18:48 |
| RST38h | TechGeek2: Then press enter and copy whatever you get to pastebin | 18:48 |
| zerojay | NYC for sure. | 18:49 |
| TechGeek2 | i didn't get anything | 18:49 |
| javispedro | like: http://phonereport.info/wp-content/uploads/nokia-maps-30-screenshot-on-a-phone.jpg | 18:49 |
| RST38h | [lardman: Please, do insure that people you give barcode thingie to at least know how to do ls =)] | 18:49 |
| javispedro | but (hopefully) more depth. | 18:49 |
| TechGeek2 | i'll upload an image | 18:50 |
| RST38h | TechGeek2: Have you pressed enter key? | 18:50 |
| TechGeek2 | yes | 18:50 |
| RST38h | and you got nothing? | 18:50 |
| lbt | anyone using N900 with asterisk? | 18:50 |
| TechGeek2 | yes | 18:51 |
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| RST38h | TechGeek2: Ok, please type: ls -l ~user/MyDocs | 18:51 |
| RST38h | Press enter key and tell me what you see or (better) copy output to pastebin | 18:51 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: I see nothing for London, except for how anal-retentive Ovi Maps is. | 18:52 |
| TechGeek2 | i still get nothing | 18:52 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: *sighs visibily* why I get excited about things... | 18:52 |
| andre__ | qwerty12_N810, exactly | 18:52 |
| RST38h | Ah wait, I know what is happening | 18:52 |
| TechGeek2 | qwerty12 how did you get the barcode readoer on your n810? | 18:52 |
| RST38h | This guy is not root. He can't execute mbarcode from /media/mmc* and he can't copy it to /usr/bin | 18:52 |
| javispedro | ah, I see 3d buildings is a ovi maps 3 feature | 18:53 |
| qwerty12_N810 | TechGeek2: I compiled it from source, on the tablet. | 18:53 |
| TechGeek2 | http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2213/1001771d.jpg | 18:53 |
| RST38h | Anyone knows if ~user is executable? | 18:53 |
| RST38h | Ah ok | 18:53 |
| RST38h | Techgeek2: Please enter this: " | 18:53 |
| javispedro | sigh. | 18:53 |
| RST38h | then press enter | 18:53 |
| TechGeek2 | i'll paste it into pastebin | 18:54 |
| TechGeek2 | http://pastebin.com/d6e6bf4ae | 18:55 |
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| RST38h | Very good, we are back to $ | 18:56 |
| wazd | I'm back, totally dry :) | 18:56 |
| RST38h | Now type this: ls -l /media/mmc1 | 18:57 |
| RST38h | Press enter, tell me what it shows | 18:57 |
| TechGeek2 | it shows A LOT of files | 18:57 |
| RST38h | (and I should remind myself never to enclose these lines in quotes or the user will start typing quotes) | 18:57 |
| TechGeek2 | it shows the files on teh memory card | 18:57 |
| RST38h | Is mbarcode amount them? | 18:57 |
| TechGeek2 | yes its there | 18:58 |
| RST38h | Perrrrfect | 18:58 |
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| RST38h | Now type: mv /media/mmc1/mbarcode ~user | 18:58 |
| RST38h | Press enter | 18:58 |
| javispedro | ouch ovi maps fees are steep. | 18:59 |
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| TechGeek2 | mv:cannot preserve ownership of home/user/mbarcode | 19:00 |
| TechGeek2 | operation not pemitted | 19:00 |
| RST38h | it's ok | 19:00 |
| RST38h | hmmmm | 19:01 |
| javispedro | no, it's not. | 19:01 |
| TechGeek2 | do i need to gain root on this? | 19:01 |
| RST38h | all right, now type: chmod ugo+rx ~user/mbarcode | 19:01 |
| javispedro | ah, sorry, yes, it's ok. | 19:01 |
| RST38h | No, do not become root yet. | 19:01 |
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| javispedro | (on n810 media/mmc1 uid gid is user:root | 19:01 |
| RST38h | it couldn't set ownership, no problemo there | 19:01 |
| RST38h | TechGeek2: Did chmod succeed? | 19:01 |
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| lcuk | the images for the tiled wallpapers are stored in .images, where is the config files for them | 19:03 |
| javispedro | /usr/share/backgrounds | 19:03 |
| lcuk | ta | 19:03 |
| javispedro | in fact, you don't have to install the actual images in .images | 19:04 |
| javispedro | the .desktop files have absolute paths to them | 19:04 |
| javispedro | and you can install them for example in /opt/maemo-backgrounds/ | 19:04 |
| lcuk | mmm i dont have backgrounds | 19:04 |
| javispedro | create it or install one of zerojay's packages | 19:04 |
| * RST38h apparently killed TechGeek2's N810 with that chmod | 19:05 | |
| zerojay | lol | 19:05 |
| zerojay | Create it. The images program looks at /usr/share/backgrounds/ for .desktop files. | 19:05 |
| zerojay | The nokia .deskop files are just sitting in .images. | 19:06 |
| javispedro | ah, there are more shipped nokia backgrounds. | 19:07 |
| javispedro | (the SDK ones are all under /usr/share/themes) | 19:07 |
| zerojay | Themes and backgrounds are different. | 19:07 |
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| zerojay | Themes are much more all-encompassing. | 19:08 |
| zerojay | And before anyone asks, no, there is no way we've found to hide images used for backgrounds from being added to the users Images program by tracker. Even dotfiles are found and indexed. | 19:09 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: Look at my wmlbrowser package for Diablo if you want to see how to make the browser see a new extension without multiple restarts (for Diablo's MicroB, anyway). | 19:09 |
| zerojay | qwerty12_N810: I got it down to just close all currently open browser windows. | 19:10 |
| zerojay | The REAL problem here is that only certain addons will work with Maemo Browser... and I can't tell exactly which or exactly why. | 19:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ah, cool. | 19:10 |
| * qwerty12_N810 finds himself using Tear more and more | 19:11 | |
| zerojay | On N900? | 19:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Yep. | 19:11 |
| zerojay | Why? | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | cos the browser is still a nightmare, imho | 19:11 |
| zerojay | Dunno... seems stable and fast to me. I don't think I ever was able to get Tear to even bring up one page without it crashing on me. | 19:12 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I hit back and the browser wont show me the previous page without scrolling the page up and down, for one. | 19:12 |
| zerojay | qwerty12_N810: Scrolling the page up and down? | 19:12 |
| greenfly | main annoyimg thimg to me is the drop from full screen to show the url bar every time a page reloads | 19:12 |
| * Stskeeps hates the back button on the new browser too | 19:12 | |
| zerojay | I just use the back gesture. One less step. | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, maybe i should actually see the vido | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | video | 19:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: Yep, using the kinetic to drag the page until it renders the previous page fully | 19:13 |
| RST38h | zerojay: /msg romaxa with questions about MicroB | 19:13 |
| zerojay | greenfly: I don't consider showing the url bar a drop from fullscreen. | 19:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | And the fact that I can't edit URLs in the address bar is a major PITA | 19:13 |
| javispedro | ouch. | 19:13 |
| javispedro | I am going to kill you all | 19:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | +using the arrows | 19:13 |
| javispedro | andre__, qwerty12_N810: | 19:14 |
| javispedro | http://maemo.nokia.com/images/uploads/entry-media/maps-point-of-interest.jpg | 19:14 |
| RST38h | zerojay: If he is not busy, he should be able to help you | 19:14 |
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| zerojay | qwerty12_N810: I have no idea what you're talking about... weird. | 19:14 |
| zerojay | RST38h: He worked on Maemo browser for N900? | 19:14 |
| RST38h | zerojay: Yes. | 19:14 |
| zerojay | RST38h: Thanks. | 19:14 |
| greenfly | zerojay: when it resizes the browser and re-renders it, it's annoying | 19:15 |
| javispedro | so I guess 3d buildings will come with the paid subscription or something like that. | 19:15 |
| zerojay | greenfly: I don't see that when the URL bar comes up. | 19:15 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Fine, let's try with Helsinki. If I still can't see 3D buildings, Ovi Maps can go fuck itself. | 19:15 |
| TechGeek2 | idk if chmod did anything | 19:15 |
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| Stskeeps | maemo mapper++ | 19:15 |
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| greenfly | zerojay: try a page that autorefreshes or try to use google reader | 19:15 |
| lcuk | are ovi maps team based in .fi ? | 19:15 |
| TechGeek2 | there was no error code | 19:15 |
| javispedro | maemo mapper... | 19:16 |
| TechGeek2 | it just showed another line | 19:16 |
| javispedro | it would be fine for me if it was a more local app, like oziexplorer mobile. | 19:16 |
| zerojay | greenfly: Okay.. I'm still not seeing it. | 19:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Good to know: I'm 1820km from Helsinki. | 19:17 |
| * javispedro remembers a garmin gps I had. | 19:17 | |
| javispedro | that used to position himself at Garmin H.Q. after soft reset | 19:18 |
| javispedro | BUT remembering the current destination if you had any. | 19:18 |
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| greenfly | zerojay: keep scrolling down | 19:18 |
| javispedro | so this is me in a classrom | 19:18 |
| TechGeek2 | rst38h are you here | 19:18 |
| RST38h | Yes | 19:18 |
| zerojay | greenfly: scroll down until...? | 19:18 |
| javispedro | and suddenly the GPS boasts "Please go ahead 3560kilometers and then turn to the right" at full volume. | 19:18 |
| RST38h | Good | 19:18 |
| greenfly | zerojay: eventually it will reload and the url bar will appear | 19:18 |
| GAN900 | Boom! | 19:18 |
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| RST38h | TechGeek2: Now type: ~user/mbarcode | 19:19 |
| zerojay | greenfly: On the mobile version of Google Reader? | 19:19 |
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| RST38h | TechGeek2: and press enter | 19:19 |
| greenfly | no regular afaik. url for mobile? m.google.com/reader ? | 19:20 |
| TechGeek2 | cool it worked | 19:20 |
| TechGeek2 | thansk | 19:22 |
| timeless | not reader/m/ ? | 19:23 |
| RST38h | You owe about $45US, payable by PayPal | 19:23 |
| TechGeek2 | ok | 19:23 |
| TechGeek2 | whats your paypal? | 19:23 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Don't forget the bill for damage to your desk, caused by you banging your head on it. | 19:23 |
| * timeless nods | 19:24 | |
| lcuk | the accelerometer will detect how hard and automatically display the damages | 19:24 |
| greenfly | timeless: google says m. but that's not working for me either. anyway i want to use the regular version | 19:24 |
| timeless | what about pain and suffering? | 19:24 |
| * javispedro considers patenting lcuk's idea | 19:24 | |
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| * lcuk hopes the patent certificate gives javispedro a nasty paper cut | 19:25 | |
| TechGeek2 | now i'm trying to put apple OS on it | 19:25 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: so, did you see any 3d buildings or should I go to U.K. to retrieve the N900 you just threw out of the window? | 19:25 |
| TechGeek2 | theres a guide and it's easy | 19:25 |
| TechGeek2 | i just have to run 220 volts through it while the flash is on the card and its hacked | 19:25 |
| lcuk | nahhh thats the hard way | 19:25 |
| lcuk | just ask steve jobs directly | 19:25 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: I can't even see any in Helsinki, to tell you the truth. | 19:25 |
| greenfly | timeless: your way works, but ideally i could use the full version | 19:25 |
| lcuk | he emailed it to me last time | 19:25 |
| pupnik_ | gah i need aseperate consciousness to folow this chan | 19:27 |
| glass__ | in movies people rarely have good syncronastion between different consciousnesses | 19:28 |
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| glass__ | syncronasation | 19:28 |
| lcuk | thats because you can do a fuzzy wipe | 19:28 |
| pupnik_ | do we have camera (video) exposed as a v4l2 device? | 19:28 |
| GAN900 | Yes | 19:28 |
| * javispedro wonders if flash lite can use it then | 19:29 | |
| pupnik_ | is it raw or mpegged>? | 19:29 |
| pupnik_ | want to show people stream from mn900 while in irc | 19:29 |
| pupnik_ | one button and they get a link to device pasted in chan or pm | 19:29 |
| BBNS_ | pupnik_, it's raw in YUY2. | 19:29 |
| pupnik_ | im a dreamer, man | 19:29 |
| pupnik_ | ok good enough fo a start | 19:30 |
| pupnik_ | now if someone were to write a kernel mod to expose a HW-encoded mpeg4 stream | 19:30 |
| lcuk | gstreamer | 19:30 |
| pupnik_ | ok or tha | 19:30 |
| lcuk | if hw encoding is supported it can be used | 19:30 |
| BBNS_ | better try omap3camsrc rather than v4l2src, one has auto-exposure, the other does not. | 19:31 |
| javispedro | gst should use hw encoding | 19:31 |
| lcuk | BBNS_, mmm | 19:31 |
| javispedro | i don't think the device itself is capable of encoding h264 at 800x484 | 19:31 |
| pupnik_ | ty for the pointers BBNS_ are you aware of existignn projects to do thiis? | 19:31 |
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| lcuk | awww crap ive lost my device | 19:31 |
| pupnik_ | lower res would be fine given peoples slow upstreams on DSL | 19:31 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, try gst-inspect you will see two cam source | 19:31 |
| BBNS_ | pupnik_, what kind of proj? | 19:32 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> awww crap ive lost my device | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: wtf, where? :P | 19:32 |
| * javispedro plays with lcuk's lost device | 19:32 | |
| pupnik_ | to integrate "stream now" into maemo 5 somehow | 19:32 |
| lcuk | somewhere in my room | 19:32 |
| javispedro | well, ring it. | 19:32 |
| javispedro | it's a phone isn't it | 19:32 |
| pupnik_ | not sitting off on the side as somem funky toy app | 19:32 |
| frals | lcuk: this is when you ssh in and start playing a tune on it | 19:32 |
| lcuk | ive got one of them, but my dev one is MIA | 19:32 |
| frals | .. or call it like javispedro said, doh! | 19:32 |
| BBNS_ | pupnik_, not sure. o_o | 19:32 |
| lcuk | and its the one without charge, or sim | 19:32 |
| BBNS_ | pupnik_, at least i did not aware any now. perhaps i might miss it. | 19:33 |
| lcuk | i have one in front of me | 19:33 |
| lcuk | thats on and working | 19:33 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | The fugly one? | 19:33 |
| lcuk | but ahhh put it in its charging hole | 19:33 |
| lcuk | just without charger plugged in | 19:33 |
| javispedro | charging hole lol | 19:33 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: 'come and completely tidy my house, and if you find a n900, it's yours'. | 19:33 |
| lcuk | lol | 19:34 |
| lcuk | javispedro, i dont leave them on the desk | 19:34 |
| lcuk | the kids and missus have a nasty habit of dropping stuff ontop of things | 19:34 |
| lcuk | so theres a little charging home for them :) | 19:34 |
| lcuk | tracy once sat on the internet with elbows idly in the desk | 19:35 |
| lcuk | shame my n810 was under one of her elbows | 19:35 |
| BBNS_ | pupnik_, you can even have autofocus in omap3src by the way. i guess that's in photo interface ... couldn't recall -.- | 19:35 |
| javispedro | true. | 19:35 |
| lcuk | BBNS_, lardman was looking for autofocus | 19:36 |
| lcuk | that info will be most useful for him | 19:36 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, he is hmm afk atm. | 19:36 |
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| lcuk | yeah ill let him know | 19:36 |
| lcuk | we really need the whole interface documented at some point | 19:36 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, i did reverse engineering ... that's how i found the usage. | 19:37 |
| lcuk | cool tho | 19:37 |
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| lcuk | do you notice any other differences with the v4l and omap3 | 19:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Can you do manual focus? | 19:38 |
| BBNS_ | SpeedEvil, you can. | 19:38 |
| BBNS_ | SpeedEvil, um sorry let me correct | 19:38 |
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| lcuk | tilt/shift photo maker! | 19:38 |
| BBNS_ | SpeedEvil, af has to be triggered by user space. | 19:38 |
| lcuk | or whatever its called | 19:38 |
| SpeedEvil | BBNS_: you can do manual focus - or just turn AF off? | 19:38 |
| BBNS_ | since af won't run all the time. otherwise the camera motor will break soon. | 19:39 |
| BBNS_ | SpeedEvil, turn AF on and off. | 19:39 |
| pupnik_ | Camera app needs to get UI out of the way while adjusting exposure/white balance - BADLY | 19:39 |
| SpeedEvil | BBNS_: it depends on the sort | 19:39 |
| BBNS_ | SpeedEvil, but camera photo interface header has lots of things you could play thing | 19:39 |
| pupnik_ | Do not dim the camera preview area. Get butonns out of viewefield if possible. | 19:39 |
| SpeedEvil | BBNS_: many that I've seen have essentially infinite lifes. | 19:39 |
| SpeedEvil | BBNS_: for example solenoid based AF | 19:40 |
| SpeedEvil | but, yes | 19:40 |
| lcuk | where do i get gst-inspect from | 19:40 |
| BBNS_ | SpeedEvil, perhaps you could write your own photo interface plug-in in gstreamer | 19:40 |
| BBNS_ | SpeedEvil, not sure how you could do it. because it has to be done on TI chip side. the dsp part. | 19:41 |
| SpeedEvil | BBNS_: I'm more meaning - you're taking a video through a window with some rain on it forex. | 19:41 |
| SpeedEvil | BBNS_: you do not want it bouncing back and forth between focussing on the rain and the outside | 19:41 |
| SpeedEvil | So manual would be nice | 19:42 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, sorry back to your question. there are many differences in v4l and omap3. one instance is that omap3 will stream camera through omap image processing chip. | 19:42 |
| lcuk | :) neat | 19:42 |
| lcuk | is there a way to get the preview stream through to user apps do you think | 19:42 |
| BBNS_ | SpeedEvil, you can only autofocus once. that's one trigger. it won't bounce back and forth. | 19:42 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, i think so. | 19:43 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, write a typical camera streaming program (one example is example-camera.c sample code). just replace v4l2src to omap3camsrc | 19:43 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, that's all you need to do. further application, such as advance photo interface, you have to dig through the headers. | 19:44 |
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| BBNS_ | um ... i forgot how to check fremantle repos ... -.- | 19:45 |
| BBNS_ | need to check the package name of photo interface... | 19:45 |
| TechGeek2 | does this look ok? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=350415#post350415 | 19:46 |
| lcuk | BBNS_, thanks im just seeing now if it makes a difference :) | 19:46 |
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| BBNS_ | lcuk, you can point your device outside the window ... you will see the differences immediately. | 19:47 |
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| BBNS_ | lcuk, it will do auto-exposure / whitebalance. | 19:47 |
| lcuk | BBNS_, im interested in detecting targets | 19:47 |
| lcuk | black/white bullseyes | 19:47 |
| lcuk | ive got it working | 19:48 |
| dotblank | hmm.... any of you tried packet injection with the wifi? | 19:48 |
| lcuk | but focus is off | 19:48 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, like face detection you mean? | 19:48 |
| lcuk | no, black/white targets | 19:48 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, you have written a algorithm for that? | 19:48 |
| lcuk | yeah | 19:48 |
| lcuk | its similar to barcode boundary detection | 19:48 |
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| vasily_pupkin | help plz :) | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: for wii-like? | 19:49 |
| vasily_pupkin | very very need original cx3110x.ko right now | 19:49 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, i am checking the photo package that contains af now ... | 19:49 |
| lcuk | ages ago whilst talking to lardman, i made a simple detector for 1d barcodes which would identify the outer bounary and guardbars | 19:49 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, then you can just pull the header | 19:49 |
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| lcuk | i didnt need the barcodes themselves, i just wanted to know whether one was infront of cam | 19:49 |
| lcuk | usb charging of one of my devices is not enough juice to keep it alive | 19:50 |
| lcuk | damn | 19:50 |
| vasily_pupkin | anybody with n810 here? | 19:50 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, can i pull gst-plugins-bad from scratchbox? | 19:50 |
| BBNS_ | *can you? | 19:50 |
| lcuk | ill try | 19:50 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, that's the one contains photo | 19:50 |
| lcuk | once im rebooted | 19:51 |
| lcuk | hang on tho | 19:51 |
| RST38h | vasily: yes what? | 19:51 |
| vasily_pupkin | upload plz /lib/modules/current/cx3110x.ko somewhere | 19:52 |
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| lcuk | BBNS_, i did this ages ago http://liqbase.net/liq.20081026_204523.gary.cam.png | 19:52 |
| vasily_pupkin | i replace original with supplicant one, and im not at home | 19:52 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, ah nice. | 19:53 |
| lcuk | i just adapted it to work with a proper bullseye target | 19:53 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, you are using opencv for thresholding? | 19:53 |
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| lcuk | no, raw data and ints | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: 2d fft? | 19:53 |
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| lcuk | its rapid | 19:53 |
| lcuk | no | 19:53 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, probably you wanna try opencv. it offers better algorithm and easier. | 19:53 |
| lcuk | just "oh look, im on a greyscale portion of image | 19:54 |
| lcuk | and theres a pair of white borders | 19:54 |
| lcuk | with grey inbetween | 19:54 |
| lcuk | and then i stretch that data out to the 1d barcode length | 19:54 |
| lcuk | and fill in the bits | 19:54 |
| BBNS_ | i see. but in some cases, for instance the bg color is close to the barcode | 19:54 |
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| BBNS_ | you will run into trouble. | 19:54 |
| lcuk | oh, it normalizes to itself | 19:54 |
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| lcuk | within the range it spreads | 19:55 |
| SpeedEvil | And barcodes can be non white | 19:55 |
| BBNS_ | ok. | 19:55 |
| lcuk | not the ones i wanted to try | 19:55 |
| lcuk | i just wanted to see the problems with it | 19:55 |
| BBNS_ | but i found opencv is easier and it provides adaptive thresholding against different illumination. | 19:55 |
| lcuk | it might be easier, but is it fast enough | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | on intel hw it is quite fast.. | 19:56 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, if you check gst/camerabin | 19:56 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, but we arent on intel hw | 19:56 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, that's the backend code for camera picture capturing ... | 19:56 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, and in some line of codes, it tells how to do af and various kinds of stuff ... | 19:56 |
| lcuk | cool | 19:57 |
| lcuk | thats what lardman will need :) | 19:57 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, like different shutter mode / micro-range focus ... | 19:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is htere a flash? | 19:57 |
| lcuk | yeah | 19:57 |
| vasily_pupkin | RST38h: ping | 19:57 |
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| BBNS_ | lcuk, strange is maemo team did not document these things ... | 19:58 |
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| BBNS_ | lcuk, when the code is sitting out there and has to let people dig them up. | 19:59 |
| * lcuk nods | 19:59 | |
| lcuk | i think everyone was just rushed totally | 19:59 |
| vasily_pupkin | anybody have n810? | 20:00 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, true. nokia should hire a document engineer, just do documentation like Apple. | 20:01 |
| lcuk | indeed | 20:01 |
| lcuk | putting people with specific skills in the right place is mega important | 20:01 |
| lcuk | for everything in life | 20:01 |
| BBNS_ | maemo team has lots of awesome hackers. =p but i guess they are too smart and don't need document. | 20:01 |
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| javispedro | they are doing qt creator for maemo btw. | 20:02 |
| javispedro | just noticed some references to it while wandering through qt creator source. | 20:03 |
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| BBNS_ | javispedro, yep. the latest git head already added the code. haven't tested it. | 20:03 |
| BBNS_ | javispedro, there is symbian too. | 20:03 |
| javispedro | yeah, but symbian got a beta released already. | 20:03 |
| BBNS_ | i see. | 20:04 |
| pupnik_ | yes vasily_pupkin many of us do | 20:04 |
| BBNS_ | that's a good news for me. throwing away horrible carbide ... | 20:04 |
| konttori_ | BBNS_: perhaps you could start a wiki page in maemo.org and should aloud for the documentation on the mailinglist | 20:04 |
| vasily_pupkin | anybody,upload cx3110x.ko anywhere pleeeeze | 20:05 |
| BBNS_ | konttori_, o.o you mean documentation proposal? | 20:05 |
| lcuk | hell yeah! | 20:05 |
| RurouniJones | Possibly a strange question but has anyone created a life-size printable layout of the N900 interface? I want to draw some application interface mockups while I am stuck on a train. | 20:06 |
| BBNS_ | by the way, i have wondered who did the documentation for fremantle SDK on wiki? o.o | 20:06 |
| pupnik_ | vasily_pupkin: if you have a license, it should be extractable from the maemo OS image provided by nokia | 20:06 |
| pupnik_ | at least one would expect so | 20:07 |
| lcuk | BBNS_, could not create pipeline elements for the omap3 source | 20:07 |
| vasily_pupkin | im not home now | 20:07 |
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| konttori_ | i thought you were looking for camera documentation | 20:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | cx3110.ko can be shared without any legal repercussions (unlike umac.ko). I'd share it, but I have the wpa_supplicant one installed. | 20:08 |
| lcuk | RurouniJones, are you on n900 itself | 20:08 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, what's the error? :Q | 20:08 |
| RurouniJones | lcuk: What do you mean? I do not have an N900 if that is what you are asking. | 20:08 |
| lcuk | RurouniJones, on your n8x0 install liqbase :) | 20:09 |
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| lcuk | i use it to draw interface stuff directly | 20:09 |
| BBNS_ | konttori_, =P oh that's lcuk. | 20:09 |
| RurouniJones | I do not have any Nxxx devices. | 20:09 |
| lcuk | ahhh | 20:09 |
| lcuk | then just draw pretty pictures | 20:10 |
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| RurouniJones | Yes...that is my plan, I was wondering if anyone before me had had the same idea and made some printable templates... | 20:10 |
| BBNS_ | konttori_, i already pointed to lcuk the camera header. =P | 20:10 |
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| BBNS_ | lcuk, 0.0 you need to give me the error message otherwise i couldn't help you debug. | 20:11 |
| lcuk | hold on then, i dont do more than: | 20:11 |
| lcuk | camera_src = gst_element_factory_make(VIDEO_SRC, "camera_src"); | 20:11 |
| lcuk | csp_filter = gst_element_factory_make("ffmpegcolorspace", "csp_filter"); | 20:11 |
| lcuk | image_sink = gst_element_factory_make("fakesink", "image_sink"); | 20:11 |
| lcuk | if(!(CAMpipeline && camera_src && csp_filter && image_sink)) | 20:11 |
| lcuk | { | 20:11 |
| lcuk | liqapp_warnandcontinue(-1,"liqcamera : Couldn't create pipeline elements"); | 20:11 |
| lcuk | return -1; | 20:11 |
| lcuk | } | 20:11 |
| lcuk | ooops too many | 20:11 |
| lcuk | with the omap3 SRC it fails | 20:11 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, so VIDEO_SRC is omap3camsrc ? | 20:12 |
| lcuk | with the v4l it works | 20:12 |
| lcuk | yeah | 20:12 |
| BBNS_ | hmmm let me check ... | 20:12 |
| BBNS_ | crap -.- my code is at company ... let me try to conjure it ... | 20:13 |
| lcuk | heh | 20:13 |
| GAN900 | andre__, ping? | 20:13 |
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| lcuk | i have to go food for a little bit. ill add some specific error checking to that when i get back | 20:14 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, oh it's omap3cam | 20:14 |
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| BBNS_ | lcuk, not s/omap3camsrc/omap3cam | 20:15 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, replace omap3camsrc with omap3cam that is. | 20:15 |
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| lardman | re | 20:15 |
| BBNS_ | lardman, lcuk said you need af code for camera? | 20:16 |
| lardman | yeah if pos | 20:16 |
| lardman | what have you dug up? | 20:16 |
| Proteous | up up down down left right left right a b b a | 20:16 |
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| BBNS_ | lardman, check the conversation i have with lcuk. | 20:16 |
| BBNS_ | lardman, just pull gst-plugins-bad | 20:16 |
| BBNS_ | and look into camerabin ... | 20:17 |
| lardman | gst/camerabin ? | 20:17 |
| BBNS_ | yep | 20:17 |
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| lardman | right | 20:17 |
| BBNS_ | that's camera capture backend. | 20:17 |
| lardman | I need to split mbarcode to make some device-specific camera code | 20:17 |
| BBNS_ | and check the photopart. grep autofocus | 20:17 |
| lardman | ok, thanks | 20:17 |
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| BBNS_ | lardman, try to find <gst/interfaces/photography.h> | 20:19 |
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| BBNS_ | lardman, i forgot which package has it. | 20:19 |
| lardman | np, I was looking at it a few weeks back | 20:19 |
| lardman | I'll find it again | 20:20 |
| BBNS_ | lardman, nvm ... i can look up the code how i have written. simply tell you the answer to save you time. | 20:20 |
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| BBNS_ | lardman, it's gst_photography_set_autofocus | 20:21 |
| lardman | can you post the source, would be useful to see? | 20:21 |
| BBNS_ | lardman, i am nokia employee ... can't give you the source. that's nokia code. | 20:21 |
| BBNS_ | lardman, but this interface is nothing to do with NDA. you can dig it up in the pool. that's why i can tell you. | 20:22 |
| GAN900 | I don't know how MicroB's text rendering could make zooming anymore useless. | 20:22 |
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| BBNS_ | by the way, i am not in maemo team. i am from NRC. so i don't know what maemo team is doing. i hack the code by myself. | 20:23 |
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| BBNS_ | the usage is gst_photography_set_autofocus(GST_PHOTOGRAPHY(cameraSrc), TRUE) | 20:24 |
| lardman | BBNS_: np & thanks | 20:25 |
| BBNS_ | lardman, if you want to hack more regarding to camera source by itself, i.e. omap3 image processing, gstreamer0.10-plugins-camera has the code. | 20:26 |
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| lardman | not going to have time to do any image processing for a week or two, but certainly for the barcode stuff | 20:26 |
| lardman | thanks | 20:26 |
| BBNS_ | barcode i recommend to use opencv to save you some energy. | 20:27 |
| BBNS_ | it's portable on N900. | 20:27 |
| lardman | yes looks cool, but for barcode stuff the code is already written so no need there | 20:27 |
| BBNS_ | i see. | 20:27 |
| lardman | but for things like smile/blink recog, that would be interesting | 20:27 |
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| Jason404 | . | 20:28 |
| BBNS_ | you can do detection and tracking. | 20:28 |
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| Jason404 | Is it possible to run Symbian apps on Maemo? I remember someone saying it was/will be possible? | 20:28 |
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| javispedro | no. | 20:28 |
| Jason404 | :( | 20:29 |
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| BBNS_ | Jason404, if it's openC, yes. Not the one with Symbian UI. | 20:29 |
| lubomir | hello | 20:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | You probably heard it was possible from one of those blogs, whose sole purpose is to spread shit. | 20:29 |
| lubomir | is it possible to put debian or any other OS on the Nokia 770? | 20:29 |
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| Stskeeps | lubomir: yes, it's open* | 20:30 |
| * BBNS_ wonder what he is doing ... it's sunday! not enough hacking / coding during week days?! -.- | 20:30 | |
| lubomir | Stskeeps, have you a link to an example? | 20:31 |
| Jason404 | BBNS: the reason I would really like to is that I hve heard that MS Office Mobile will be made for Symbian. Being able to run Outlook and OneNote Mobile would be absolutely fantastic for me | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | lubomir: wiki.maemo.org/Mer :P | 20:31 |
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| Stskeeps | BBNS_: coding is addictive. | 20:31 |
| Jason404 | as well as Word and Excel | 20:31 |
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| javispedro | Jason404: MS Office Mobile? more like MS Office "Live" (aka web/shit edition) | 20:31 |
| Jason404 | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/170080/microsoft_nokia_team_to_put_office_apps_on_mobile_phones.html | 20:31 |
| BBNS_ | Stskeeps, not if you are coding 10 hours every day every week ... | 20:31 |
| Jason404 | no, javispedro. see that link | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | BBNS_: well, 40 hours per week, but close enough :P | 20:32 |
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| javispedro | I'm pretty sure it will be web stuff. | 20:32 |
| Jason404 | javispedro: the web versions of Word and Excel are pretty good actully. I just am not sure that they will run well on the N900 | 20:33 |
| Solarion | BBNS_: well, that sucked | 20:33 |
| Solarion | ugh. Stupid Cox | 20:33 |
| Jason404 | no, read that link. | 20:33 |
| lubomir | ah, Mer is working on it? Okay. Thanks Stskeeps .I just asked for someone else ^^ | 20:33 |
| lubomir | bye @ all | 20:33 |
| Solarion | BBNS_: Hello, nokiite. :) | 20:33 |
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| Solarion | BBNS_: I had typed the "BBNS_:" right before Cox (my ISP) fell off the net. | 20:33 |
| BBNS_ | lardman, would you mind documenting the camera or have someone to do it (lcuk) regarding to the camera API, once you have hacked it? =) | 20:33 |
| BBNS_ | Solarion, i tried to remain low profile ... | 20:34 |
| Solarion | BBNS_: do you have anything to do with the cool scribble calculator or whatever it's called? | 20:34 |
| Solarion | BBNS_: Ah. Sorry. Hello, fellow hacker. :) | 20:34 |
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| BBNS_ | Solarion, nope. that's the lab in Tampere i guess. | 20:34 |
| BBNS_ | Solarion, my research is graphics and visions, and software achitecture. | 20:34 |
| Solarion | ah, dang. Was woth a shot | 20:34 |
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| Solarion | BBNS_: Can the n900 handle a 1024x600 display? | 20:35 |
| * Solarion is arguing with some monkeys on the Harmattan section about higher-res screens. :) | 20:35 | |
| Jason404 | Solaron: It can do 720p I think | 20:35 |
| Jason404 | so shoudl be able to do that | 20:35 |
| javispedro | afaik tv out res is same as lcd: 800x480 | 20:36 |
| Solarion | Jason404: I mean if it had a larger res screen | 20:36 |
| BBNS_ | Solarion, larger res means more pixel rendering overhead ... | 20:36 |
| javispedro | Solarion: the powervr handles up to 1024x768 iirc. | 20:36 |
| * Solarion would like to see a higher-res screen in future devices, 'cause reading articles (PDF) on 800x480 is almost, but not quite, doable | 20:36 | |
| Solarion | javispedro: that's what the TI page was saying. I was about to show 'em when cox fell over | 20:37 |
| BBNS_ | Solarion, if you want to render an OpenGL ES2 game smoothly, 800x480 is the maximum resolution. | 20:37 |
| Jason404 | so tht means that it cannot display photos on TV at full res? | 20:38 |
| Solarion | BBNS_: on the n900? | 20:38 |
| BBNS_ | regarding to PVR chip that is. Tegra can handle better though. | 20:38 |
| Solarion | what is Tegra? | 20:39 |
| Jason404 | erm, not full res | 20:39 |
| Jason404 | you know what I mean | 20:39 |
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| Solarion | BBNS_: isn't running OpenGL games more a matter of polys/s, tho? | 20:39 |
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| Solarion | not just bandwidth | 20:39 |
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| BBNS_ | Solarion, bandwidth > polys/s atm. | 20:39 |
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| Solarion | I suppose it's polys/s@res and I'm stupid. | 20:40 |
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| Solarion | BBNS_: at what res, tho? | 20:40 |
| Solarion | at 1024x780? | 20:40 |
| Solarion | or at 800x840 | 20:40 |
| luke-jr | Jason404: TV full res is 720x480 | 20:40 |
| Solarion | In addition, couldn't you change res for games if games are bandwidht limited but the rest of it isn't? | 20:40 |
| BBNS_ | in a word, memory bandwidth is not fast enough to transfer 1024x780 pixels to video buffer. | 20:40 |
| luke-jr | Jason404: so if the max is 800x480 you should be fine | 20:40 |
| Solarion | luke-jr: Not anymore. (DTV conversion :) | 20:41 |
| Solarion | BBNS_: on the n900? | 20:41 |
| BBNS_ | Solarion, yep. not even iPhone can handle that. | 20:41 |
| Solarion | BBNS_: iPhone can hang itself | 20:41 |
| Jason404 | luke-jr: TV output res is 720x480??? | 20:41 |
| Solarion | BBNS_: If I wanted silk-lined handcuffs, I'd use Windows. | 20:41 |
| Solarion | Jason404: standard definition | 20:42 |
| luke-jr | Jason404: NTSC | 20:42 |
| Solarion | I think that's DVD quality | 20:42 |
| BBNS_ | Solarion, haven't used windows for a long long time. | 20:42 |
| Solarion | now that we have the DTV transition, it goes up to 1080i | 20:42 |
| luke-jr | Jason404: technically 720x240 @ 59.94 fps if you consider interlacing | 20:42 |
| Solarion | BBNS_: but the memory <-> GPU bandwidth on the omap3530 isn't sufficient to run 1024x780, depsite the TI literature | 20:43 |
| Jason404 | oh ic. PAL here | 20:43 |
| luke-jr | please tell me DTV at least eliminated the NTSC/PAL differences | 20:43 |
| BBNS_ | Solarion, that's what i am trying to talk about. | 20:43 |
| BBNS_ | Solarion, anyway, the developers haven't juiced up OpenGL ES2 yet. | 20:44 |
| lcuk | BBNS_, which area of imaging do you work in then | 20:44 |
| BBNS_ | there is only one OpenGL ES2 game on iPhone 3GS, make me disappointed. | 20:44 |
| luke-jr | Jason404: PAL is 720x576 | 20:45 |
| javispedro | how could one make a es2 game on iPhone? it would break apple's dream of "even the old phones get the updates" | 20:45 |
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| BBNS_ | lcuk, tracking / object recognition / graphics and game development | 20:45 |
| lcuk | kewl | 20:45 |
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| BBNS_ | lcuk, but i am not as a good hacker as you. your library is amazing. | 20:45 |
| Jason404 | luke-jr: yeah I remember the differences from when I had an Amiga, and US games were all squashed up | 20:45 |
| lcuk | hence you perking at me speaking of detecting bullseyes lol | 20:46 |
| luke-jr | lol | 20:46 |
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| BBNS_ | lcuk, our office really likes your onedotzero demo. | 20:46 |
| lcuk | BBNS_, amazing in some ways, they need picking into normal usage | 20:46 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, true. that's what nokia trying to steer community to do. to produce more useful apps for mass market. | 20:47 |
| lcuk | well the n900 side of onedotzero was just opitimization and communication, karsten did the really hard work on big pc | 20:47 |
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| konttori_ | javispedro: you know, most of the n900:s will not have arrow keys | 20:47 |
| Solarion | what is onedotzeo? | 20:47 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, it's already amazing enough. very smooth experience. | 20:48 |
| konttori_ | so, the only viable control scheme is WASD | 20:48 |
| javispedro | konttori_: yes, I know. | 20:48 |
| javispedro | wasd is awful for mario kart | 20:48 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.nokia.com/videos/onedotzero-adventures-in-motion-powered-by-nokia-n900/ | 20:48 |
| konttori_ | do you think the ab,xy keys could then be IOKL? | 20:48 |
| lcuk | BBNS_, yeah - liqflow was why i optimized that side of it ;) | 20:48 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, here is my research profile if you are interested: http://research.nokia.com/people/yun-ta_tsai/index.html | 20:49 |
| konttori_ | javispedro: is wasd any worse than the arrow keys? | 20:49 |
| javispedro | konttori_: nope. just worse than the n810 d-pad :( | 20:49 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, you used neon? | 20:49 |
| lcuk | no bbns, raw c | 20:49 |
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| konttori_ | well, n810s dpad sucked ass. | 20:49 |
| lcuk | just optimal and slinky | 20:49 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, i see. wonder when gcc will fully utilize neon. | 20:50 |
| konttori_ | but, then how about the IOKL` | 20:50 |
| konttori_ | I'm wondering if the wasd setup should just be the default setup for the drnoksnes? | 20:50 |
| lcuk | BBNS_, i put my missing summit presentation up online | 20:50 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rEZxWjVvGo | 20:50 |
| javispedro | konttori_: on n900 probably. | 20:50 |
| lcuk | it gives a runthrough of some of the things | 20:50 |
| lcuk | i had to chop out loads tho | 20:50 |
| javispedro | to change it I need the SDL scancodes for each of the keys though. | 20:50 |
| lcuk | BBNS_, do you have a linkedin | 20:51 |
| RST38h | BBNS: you want 1q2009 toolchain | 20:51 |
| RST38h | it should make use of neon, don't know how well | 20:51 |
| javispedro | and -fvectorize | 20:51 |
| BBNS_ | RST38h, i know 1q2009 has OPENMP supported =) can't wait to replace that. | 20:51 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, nice presentation. | 20:51 |
| lcuk | found it | 20:51 |
| RST38h | javis: what is -fvectorize btw? =) | 20:51 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, yep. i do. just typed my name. | 20:52 |
| lcuk | BBNS_, heh, its too simple - but it loads the presentation files from vb source directly | 20:52 |
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| lcuk | and whilst giving the presentation i can breakout into actual liq* modules | 20:52 |
| lardman | BBNS_: the camera api is not too bad actually, the devel docs have it pretty well done. Or do you mean the camerabin api? | 20:52 |
| lcuk | the paging is wonderful tho :) | 20:52 |
| BBNS_ | lardman, i mean the wiki page still telling people to use v4l2src =P | 20:53 |
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| BBNS_ | lardman, which should be omap3cam. and it hasn't mentioned how you could do with some advance functions, such as af and whilte-balance...etc | 20:53 |
| konttori_ | javispedro: aren't the scancodes just wasd and iokl? | 20:53 |
| lcuk | bbl again | 20:53 |
| lardman | BBNS_: ok, yeah sure | 20:53 |
| Jason404 | so Symbian apps on Maemo is not possible, and never will be? | 20:54 |
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| Stskeeps | Jason404: technically you can emulate but i can't see why you | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | d want to | 20:54 |
| BBNS_ | Jason404, if it is written in Qt / OpenC, that's possible. | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | qt would work, yeah | 20:54 |
| Jason404 | ic | 20:54 |
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| javispedro | with a recompile. | 20:54 |
| Jason404 | I am only concerned about MS Office Mobile. It would be wonderful | 20:55 |
| javispedro | which means, in actual terms, No. | 20:55 |
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| javispedro | since most Symbian apps you'd be interested in would be closed source either way. | 20:55 |
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| Jason404 | yeh, MS Office mOBILE CERTAINLY WILL BE | 20:55 |
| RST38h | javispedro: so what does fvectorize do? | 20:55 |
| Jason404 | oops | 20:55 |
| BBNS_ | lardman, thanks for the community effort =P | 20:55 |
| RST38h | moo wazd | 20:55 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: remoo :) | 20:56 |
| javispedro | RST38h: add an autovectorization pass. | 20:56 |
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| RST38h | javis: no I mean in terms understandable to us, the cows? | 20:56 |
| lardman | BBNS_: got to remember how to spell now ;p | 20:56 |
| lardman | javispedro: vectorise integer operations? | 20:56 |
| javispedro | RST38h: cows like me? lol. | 20:57 |
| javispedro | yes. | 20:57 |
| RST38h | like compute several integer operators at once using those mmx-like instructions? | 20:57 |
| javispedro | aka try to convert for loops into equivalent simd instructions, if any. | 20:57 |
| RST38h | aha | 20:58 |
| Solarion | wish I could afford an n900. :( | 20:59 |
| Solarion | does the n900 have an fpu? | 20:59 |
| BBNS_ | Solarion, fpu v3-lite | 21:00 |
| BBNS_ | s/fpu/vpu | 21:00 |
| Solarion | what is v3-lite? | 21:00 |
| lardman | vfp | 21:00 |
| crashanddie | version 3, light | 21:00 |
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| Solarion | so it doesn't use electrons? | 21:00 |
| javispedro | which according to certain pandora benchmarks is nearly as slow as the omap2420 vfp. | 21:00 |
| crashanddie | photons | 21:00 |
| Solarion | wewt | 21:01 |
| javispedro | so use neon. | 21:01 |
| lardman | 2420 is faster iirc | 21:01 |
| lardman | pipelining.... | 21:01 |
| javispedro | probably, but the 32xx is clocked up | 21:01 |
| RST38h | OMAP3 VFP is mainly slapped there for compatibility =) | 21:02 |
| javispedro | for any hope of floating point performance you have to use single precision and neon. | 21:02 |
| RST38h | They really intend you to use the Neon | 21:02 |
| lardman | is slow, should look at neon for libdmtx I think | 21:02 |
| javispedro | much like what they did to Jazelle, damn. | 21:02 |
| BBNS_ | you can use neon with gcc instrinsics. | 21:02 |
| BBNS_ | http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/ARM-NEON-Intrinsics.html | 21:03 |
| lardman | javispedro: no-one is very interested in that anymore, was cool to hack on though :) | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: awkward question, but did you use 320x480 or something resolution on Xv at some point? | 21:03 |
| * Stskeeps wonders if he can make his Xomap run at lower res | 21:03 | |
| konttori_ | wazd_: New version of theme maker uploaded. https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=36 | 21:04 |
| javispedro | lardman: yeah, did you see what they did with it in omap3? | 21:04 |
| lardman | no, not looked | 21:04 |
| lardman | ? | 21:04 |
| javispedro | basically, "Jazelle Lite": bxj r12 goes always to ins pointed by r12. | 21:04 |
| lardman | hmm | 21:05 |
| javispedro | no implementation of any java opcode at all. | 21:05 |
| lardman | ah, but that means you can implement a different bytecode doesn't it? | 21:05 |
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| lardman | or does it do away with the unknown code handler table? | 21:05 |
| javispedro | it will call your table for each opcode. | 21:05 |
| lardman | ok, so slower, but you can make your own | 21:06 |
| javispedro | yeah, but no accelartion | 21:06 |
| lardman | would be good for any p-code lang | 21:06 |
| lardman | yeah | 21:06 |
| javispedro | it's just a supposedly fast dispatch instruction (and I doubt the fast part) | 21:06 |
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| javispedro | basically, as RST38h, the only thing that's for is so the Sun EJVM doesn't crash. | 21:07 |
| javispedro | *as rst said. | 21:08 |
| lardman | well is probably a bit faster than having to manually switch, but marginal I guess | 21:08 |
| wazd_ | konttori_: awesome! | 21:08 |
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| lardman | was going out of fashion anyway though, I heard jit was faster anyway | 21:10 |
| lardman | from somewhere, who knows where | 21:11 |
| lardman | supper, bbiab | 21:11 |
| RST38h | yea | 21:11 |
| javispedro | agreed. | 21:11 |
| RST38h | jazelle was said to give about x3 performance wi over interpreted model | 21:11 |
| RST38h | s/wi/win | 21:11 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, let me know if omap3cam works on your code. | 21:12 |
| javispedro | and it gave a bit better results indeed. | 21:12 |
| javispedro | but any jit I tried was better, and the memory savings isn't worth fighting for | 21:12 |
| * BBNS_ afk | 21:12 | |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, why is that awkward? | 21:17 |
| lcuk | xv runs at any resolution and scales dynamically to fullscreen | 21:18 |
| lcuk | using hardware | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:18 |
| lcuk | you goin for iphone emu? | 21:18 |
| lcuk | note tho, xv color planes are at half res | 21:18 |
| lcuk | so if you make a screen 480*320 you would only get color at 240*160 | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: nah.. android refugees | 21:19 |
| lcuk | well liqbase is similar to android in that respect | 21:19 |
| lcuk | it lives in its own app framework lol | 21:20 |
| lcuk | away from x11 | 21:20 |
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| netBoss | Hi every one | 21:20 |
| netBoss | I'm new in the community | 21:20 |
| netBoss | And I use Ubuntu | 21:21 |
| netBoss | Is there an Emulator to make Maemo work | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | get the maemo SDK | 21:21 |
| lcuk | the maemo 5 sdk allows you to create and build and test things | 21:21 |
| netBoss | I saw that | 21:22 |
| netBoss | But is there the hole sytem packed | 21:22 |
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| netBoss | in a ISO or else | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | yes, quite a lot of stuff in it | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | there's a VM | 21:22 |
| netBoss | I see, thanks | 21:22 |
| netBoss | It's a great system | 21:22 |
| netBoss | I like it | 21:22 |
| RST38h | OpenVMS strikes back. | 21:23 |
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| netBoss | I'm hopping to contrebute in it :) | 21:23 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, hey, is omap3cam works for you? | 21:23 |
| BBNS_ | s/works/working | 21:23 |
| lcuk | BBNS_, no, i tried and got the same result ill add the reason checking in a min | 21:23 |
| lcuk | just waiting for lemon cake lol | 21:23 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, it's 'omap3cam' not 'omap3camsrc'. | 21:23 |
| lcuk | / BBNS from #maemo irc offered this suggestion | 21:24 |
| lcuk | /#define VIDEO_SRC "omap3camsrc" | 21:24 |
| lcuk | #define VIDEO_SRC "omap3cam" | 21:24 |
| lcuk | damn those double slashes lol | 21:24 |
| javispedro | netBoss: if you want to experience the UI from a user point of view best way is to test a device though. | 21:24 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, mmm should work ... | 21:24 |
| lcuk | i tried it on my old one and also on later one | 21:25 |
| lcuk | is it a recent recent addition | 21:25 |
| lcuk | im a couple of weeks behind | 21:25 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, very old addition | 21:25 |
| caoticM | Hi, my n810 is having some trubles with the touchscreen. basically the 'pointer' goes apesh*t in certain areas of the screen. Is there an application that can help me detect this areas. a-gps helps a little but if i could graph a dot where the device actually detects the preasure ? | 21:25 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, i wrote the code like half a year back. | 21:25 |
| lcuk | yikes | 21:26 |
| lcuk | lemme try and get gst-inspect on | 21:26 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, oh sorry | 21:26 |
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| BBNS_ | lcuk, i made a mistake | 21:26 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, here is code snippest | 21:26 |
| netBoss | javispedro, I'm going to bay the N900, and befor that I must test the system, | 21:27 |
| BBNS_ | m_pCamSrc = gst_element_factory_make("v4l2camsrc", "camera_src"); | 21:28 |
| lcuk | caotic, check the gutter around the edge of the screen for any grit or dirt, and check for any scratches around | 21:28 |
| lcuk | you mightv damaged your screen if its seriously errative | 21:28 |
| netBoss | cause if he isn't good ( and he is greater that I thoght ) I'll install Ubuntu Mobile Edition | 21:28 |
| javispedro | netBoss: if you're a dev then you will understand what the SDK is and what their limitations are. if you're a user then you'll be deceived. | 21:28 |
| lcuk | just try opening sketch app and drawing a grid | 21:28 |
| BBNS_ | g_object_set(G_OBJECT(m_pCamSrc), "driver-name", "omap3cam", NULL); | 21:28 |
| lcuk | then upload the grid as a pic | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | netBoss: maemo5 > ubuntu mobile edition, tbh :P | 21:28 |
| netBoss | javispedro, I'm a developper | 21:28 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, so you need to set the driver name. =P omap3cam is not the gstreamer source. | 21:29 |
| javispedro | netBoss: ok, then. good luck :) | 21:29 |
| netBoss | thanks | 21:29 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, you can check the source in gstreamer0.10-plugins-camera. | 21:29 |
| javispedro | (just that I shrug at the idea of users "testing" the N900 on the sbox sdk, with the blue colors bug, software rendering, etc.) | 21:29 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, you got the full picture? | 21:30 |
| caoticM | lcuk: the annomallies are near the close buttons and the buttom center of the screen. the drawing app has interface elements (close button, and drawing tools) so i cannot draw over them | 21:30 |
| lbt | jeremiah: ping | 21:31 |
| lcuk | not really BBNS_ im just grabbing the gst plugins camera now | 21:31 |
| lcuk | and will have a look | 21:31 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, replace your code like this: | 21:31 |
| BBNS_ | #define VIDEO_SRC "v4l2camsrc" | 21:32 |
| RST38h | javis: Wait until someone writes a review based on that | 21:32 |
| BBNS_ | and add one line: g_object_set(G_OBJECT(camera_src), "driver-name", "omap3cam", NULL); | 21:32 |
| javispedro | RST38h: i am having nightmares already. | 21:32 |
| lcuk | ahhhhh | 21:33 |
| BBNS_ | camera_src = gst_element_factory_make(VIDEO_SRC, "camera_src"); g_object_set(G_OBJECT(camera_src), "driver-name", "omap3cam", NULL); | 21:33 |
| BBNS_ | that's all. | 21:33 |
| BBNS_ | got it? | 21:33 |
| lcuk | yeah just testing now thx | 21:34 |
| BBNS_ | =P you can do more funny stuff with omap3cam ... gst-plugins-camera has all source of the driver i think. | 21:35 |
| konttori_ | wazd_: whatte! cool, seems to also work in linux (1.2.4 of theme maker I mean), with a bit of a trick. | 21:36 |
| konttori_ | the vm allocation I had set was not enough to actually run some of the post processing commands, so once you make a theme with theme maker, you need close it again and reopen and then click on the make debian | 21:37 |
| konttori_ | in next version, I'll tune the shell script to have big enough mem allocation | 21:37 |
| * timeless_mbp looks around | 21:39 | |
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| Solarion | wonder if cox is done sucking yet | 21:41 |
| qwerty12_N810 | In Soviet Russia, Cox sucks you | 21:41 |
| javispedro | Are software developers naturally weird? The answer, a few posts above this one. | 21:42 |
| Solarion | qaaMaigc 8 Ball says no. | 21:44 |
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| BBNS_ | lcuk, =P does it compile? | 21:45 |
| lcuk | that part compiles and shows cam as the original one did, im just wondering whether AF should be operation | 21:46 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, af is not in operation unless you call the function | 21:47 |
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| BBNS_ | gst_photography_set_autofocus(GST_PHOTOGRAPHY(camera_src), TRUE) | 21:47 |
| lcuk | ahh so opening it with the v4l, changing the driver, then enabling the fn cool | 21:48 |
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| BBNS_ | otherwise by default the focus will set to infinity. to save battery. | 21:48 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, yep. correct | 21:48 |
| Krooks | is Nokia dumping symbian for maemo ? | 21:48 |
| Krooks | Will they do that ? | 21:48 |
| BBNS_ | Krooks, nope. | 21:49 |
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| lcuk | seems highly unlikely | 21:49 |
| Krooks | but if maemo can do all that symbian can do, then why not ? | 21:49 |
| javispedro | because, at least for the moment, maemo can't do all that symbian can do. | 21:51 |
| lcuk | because common sense say you dont just abandon user base | 21:51 |
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| BBNS_ | Krooks, at some circumstances, especially developing country like Africa, Symbian is better. | 21:51 |
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| BBNS_ | or rural area that is. | 21:52 |
| lardman | hmm, thanks BBNS_ | 21:53 |
| BBNS_ | lardman, it works? | 21:53 |
| wazd_ | can anybody please download this file and send it to me? :) http://depositfiles.com/ru/files/7iu1fker6 | 21:53 |
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| wazd | Cause df tells me that I'm already downloading it | 21:53 |
| lardman | dunno yet, am working on map app, will go and test in a bit | 21:54 |
| lardman | at least it appears I don't need to change the current pipeline too much, just add in a few extra lines that I can hide with an #ifdef | 21:54 |
| qwerty12_N810 | wazd: What's your e-mail? | 21:54 |
| BBNS_ | lardman, ah ok. you could find me @ talk anyway. | 21:54 |
| BBNS_ | lardman, nope. you don't need to change at all. just change the driver-name. | 21:54 |
| konttori_ | wazd: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2009/10/theme-maker-124-released.html | 21:55 |
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| wazd | qwerty12_N810: drew.zhilin@gmail.com | 21:55 |
| konttori_ | Krooks: symbian is also running better on lower specced devices than maemo | 21:55 |
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| wazd | konttori_: downloading it right now! | 21:55 |
| lcuk | konttori_, has anyone tried to run symbian on n900 hardware? | 21:56 |
| lardman | BBNS_: good stuff, well I'm on Talk and generally on here every day too | 21:56 |
| lardman | will try to test that later this evening | 21:56 |
| Krooks | konttori_: I see. | 21:56 |
| konttori_ | lcuk: I haven't heard | 21:57 |
| Krooks | konttori_: doesn't look like maemo will scale down even further ? | 21:57 |
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| konttori_ | well, omap 2 maemo 4 was running pretty ok | 21:57 |
| lcuk | it would be good to find out how to run fremantle on lower spec hardware | 21:57 |
| lcuk | or rather lower res | 21:57 |
| konttori_ | but the way we are looking on maemo 6, really expects quite a lot from hw | 21:57 |
| lcuk | i dont see why | 21:58 |
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| BBNS_ | wonder if you could write modules for camera apps, so that you could edit your photo right away. | 21:58 |
| lcuk | the previews at the summit, coupled with the simplified qt reboot should allow things to run better, not worse | 21:58 |
| BBNS_ | like change the saturation etc | 21:58 |
| lcuk | BBNS_, content cocreation, live editing section | 21:58 |
| lcuk | we spoke extensively about it at the summit | 21:59 |
| * lcuk finds link for you | 21:59 | |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32619 | 22:00 |
| lcuk | thats a bit on the results | 22:00 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, thanks. that would be really nice! | 22:00 |
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| BBNS_ | lcuk, you guys doen really amazing concepts. | 22:01 |
| lcuk | yeah BBNS_ and that was just the final boiled down results | 22:01 |
| lcuk | we spoke about some awesome concepts | 22:01 |
| lcuk | the (near)live editing is something ive heard lots of people say | 22:02 |
| lcuk | like last night, i had a video that was 10:01 - 1 second too long for youtube | 22:02 |
| lcuk | if i could have cut/splice on the device i wouldv just extracted the bit i wanted | 22:02 |
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| lcuk | instead i had to dig up software and do the post processing on the pc | 22:02 |
| tigert | youtube should just truncate those | 22:03 |
| lcuk | something i couldv done in the taxi | 22:03 |
| BBNS_ | i think there is no technical boundary will stop you from doing so on maemo. | 22:03 |
| lcuk | tigert, i had already shortened it from a 15minute one | 22:03 |
| BBNS_ | just need time to write code. =P | 22:03 |
| tigert | but yeah, a video editor would be sweet | 22:03 |
| lcuk | i missed off all the stuff about the playground and global search and stuff | 22:03 |
| tigert | now, a good UI for that would be interesting | 22:03 |
| lcuk | tigert, the graffiti wall in liqbase | 22:04 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rEZxWjVvGo#t=3m00s | 22:04 |
| lcuk | show a video as loads of frames | 22:04 |
| lcuk | allow start/end to be marked | 22:04 |
| lcuk | save the middle bit as a new file | 22:04 |
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| vasily_pupkin | anybody know, where can I get original source for cx3110x? | 22:07 |
| * lcuk cant get camera stuff building - ill look back when i get on *spit* scratchbox | 22:08 | |
| guysoft42 | hi all, can someone tell me how to download in sb2 the maemo kernel headers? | 22:08 |
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| luke-jr | vasily_pupkin: you mean like, not working with normal apps? | 22:09 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, if someone implemented the concept, please tell me =P i am doing to buy his/her stock! | 22:09 |
| lcuk | BBNS_, :) | 22:09 |
| florian | hi all | 22:09 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, um, what do you mean can't get camera stuff building? o.o | 22:09 |
| luke-jr | vasily_pupkin: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/c/cx3110x-module-src/cx3110x-module-src_2.0.15-1.tar.gz | 22:09 |
| lcuk | i do everythign on device for now | 22:09 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, missing libraries or headers? | 22:09 |
| lcuk | until the standard toolkit can be worked from windows | 22:09 |
| qwerty12_N810 | wazd: Sorry, still uploading... | 22:10 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, error message? o.o | 22:10 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: np :) | 22:10 |
| lcuk | BBNS_, its a silly thing right now, i cant find the header | 22:10 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: ta :) | 22:10 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, ah ... let me see | 22:10 |
| * BBNS_ looking for his cmake file | 22:11 | |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, you have pkg-config installed? | 22:12 |
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| BBNS_ | you need gstinterfaces-0.10 / gstphotography-0.10 / gstbase-0.10 | 22:12 |
| vasily_pupkin | luke-jr: that sucks, but wpa_supplicant patched cx not worked with wlancond O_o | 22:13 |
| BBNS_ | the header should be located within /usr/include/gstreamer-0.10 though | 22:13 |
| * lcuk nods | 22:13 | |
| lcuk | i got it compiling | 22:13 |
| BBNS_ | nice. | 22:13 |
| lcuk | hold on tho | 22:13 |
| lcuk | gotta add lib to other dev | 22:13 |
| lcuk | thx | 22:13 |
| BBNS_ | np | 22:14 |
| javispedro | vasily_pupkin: seen my cx3110x patch? | 22:14 |
| vasily_pupkin | javispedro: no | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: what is different to your patch btw? | 22:14 |
| javispedro | since I cannot modify nokia bins to speak the "wrong" protocol I modified both cx3110x and wpa_supplicant to speak the wrong protocol. | 22:15 |
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| vasily_pupkin | wow (= | 22:15 |
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| lcuk | oh crap! | 22:15 |
| BBNS_ | ? | 22:15 |
| lcuk | it wants to install about 200 packages | 22:15 |
| vasily_pupkin | may be better be writing icd plugin for wpa_supplicant? | 22:16 |
| lcuk | just for gstreamer0.10-plugins-camera | 22:16 |
| BBNS_ | xD | 22:16 |
| lcuk | i think ill just wait for a little while lol | 22:16 |
| BBNS_ | lol ... get a vmware dude! | 22:16 |
| javispedro | vasily_pupkin: git clone https://git.maemo.org/projects/libicd-wpa then get patches/cx3110x and patches/wpa_supplicant | 22:16 |
| lcuk | i did at first | 22:16 |
| BBNS_ | don't kill yourself and your n900. | 22:16 |
| lcuk | but vmware doesnt like my mouse acceleration | 22:16 |
| BBNS_ | ahh ... | 22:16 |
| BBNS_ | then just like me ... don't use windows. =P | 22:16 |
| lcuk | heh | 22:16 |
| vasily_pupkin | javispedro: thanks | 22:17 |
| lcuk | normally not an issue | 22:17 |
| vasily_pupkin | but seems like original drivers not work for me for now :] | 22:17 |
| vasily_pupkin | holy crap | 22:17 |
| vasily_pupkin | i want to kill wlancond developers :] | 22:17 |
| javispedro | wlancond is open | 22:18 |
| guysoft42 | qwerty12_N810, hey, here? | 22:18 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, i think my team member pretty much ditched windows already. =P | 22:18 |
| qwerty12_N810 | guysoft42: Hiya | 22:18 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: did that answer your question? | 22:18 |
| lcuk | lol BBNS_ i have linux on the laptop | 22:19 |
| lcuk | but it doesnt easily run the one tool i still use | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: thanks | 22:19 |
| guysoft42 | qwerty12_N810, yay, you just activated my cool new gadget: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puJtZcH0s80 | 22:19 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, perhaps write one yourself. j/k =P | 22:19 |
| guysoft42 | qwerty12_N810, i want to make it work with mameo, but i need the kernel headers first. do you know where i can get them? | 22:19 |
| lcuk | BBNS_ lol | 22:20 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: in case you're interesed in the details diff the orig cx3110x patch and mine's, iiirc (that was 9 monts ago!) it was just a stupid issue. | 22:20 |
| lcuk | i almost did at the summit | 22:20 |
| vasily_pupkin | javispedro: what libicd-wpa do? | 22:20 |
| vasily_pupkin | javispedro: is this wpa_supplicant icd plugin? | 22:20 |
| javispedro | vasily_pupkin: yes | 22:20 |
| lcuk | i couldnt get vb working (to create the layouts for the presentation)( | 22:20 |
| lcuk | so i had to improvise | 22:21 |
| vasily_pupkin | wow. cool! (= | 22:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | guysoft42: AFAIK, the headers should be installed with the SDK by default, but don't quote me on that; it's been a good few months before I looked at any kernel stuff | 22:21 |
| vasily_pupkin | javispedro: it use config in gconf or /etc/wpa_supplicant? | 22:21 |
| javispedro | full name is libicd-network-wpa, but g arage didn't like such a long name ;) | 22:21 |
| javispedro | vasily_pupkin: gconf | 22:21 |
| lcuk | and BBNS_ i draw interfaces all the time, its not that big a jump to save them as source instead of saving them as sketch | 22:21 |
| javispedro | vasily_pupkin: but it uses a trivial mapping between gconf<->wpa_supplicant.conf settings | 22:21 |
| guysoft42 | qwerty12_N810, i need the .config file | 22:21 |
| guysoft42 | qwerty12_N810, so i can compile the kernel, at the moment it gives me errors | 22:22 |
| vasily_pupkin | ok. let's try | 22:22 |
| javispedro | you don't have to use libicd-wpa to get the patches. | 22:22 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, you reminds my whiteboard ... | 22:22 |
| BBNS_ | has been over abused. | 22:22 |
| lcuk | heh | 22:23 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | guysoft42: That should be apt-get source kernel-source-diablo and make nokia_2420_defconfig | 22:23 |
| vasily_pupkin | javispedro: i just want use icd and wpa_supplicant :) | 22:23 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, or perhaps virtualbox would work. not sure. | 22:24 |
| guysoft42 | qwerty12_N810, but i want to edit that .config file | 22:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | So, edit it? :) | 22:24 |
| lcuk | BBNS_, im actually happy working on arm itself | 22:25 |
| guysoft42 | guy@golem3:~/mydocuments/devel/maemo/kernel-source-diablo-2.6.21/kernel-source$ make nokia_2420_defconfig scripts/kconfig/conf: scripts/kconfig/conf: cannot execute binary file | 22:25 |
| BBNS_ | i see. =P hardcore! /bow | 22:25 |
| lcuk | it removes the brainfunk of system inside system inside system | 22:25 |
| lcuk | nahhh native compilation | 22:25 |
| guysoft42 | qwerty12_N810, um, we have a problem | 22:25 |
| lcuk | mer will have full complete workable build toolchain | 22:25 |
| lcuk | /has | 22:25 |
| qwerty12_N810 | guysoft42: You are doing this inside scratchbox, right? | 22:26 |
| guysoft42 | qwerty12_N810, hell, i am a moron | 22:26 |
| lcuk | BBNS_, besides - me pushing for this has to be benecifial - if a dev can walk upto maemo and without anything major on their desktop end can have a full build system available | 22:26 |
| lcuk | its gotta be good | 22:26 |
| * Stskeeps still thinks the chroot idea could work. | 22:27 | |
| lcuk | i know wholeheartedly that building works well - gcc is super slick | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | of the armel rootstrap | 22:27 |
| lcuk | i agree Stskeeps | 22:27 |
| lcuk | but i dont know howtf to set that up :$ | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | we should get qole on it.. | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | he'd know | 22:27 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, not sure it works for dev that spoiled by iPhone SDK and XCode. we need something better than that. | 22:28 |
| * Stskeeps sends him a message | 22:28 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | He's expressed that desire quite a few times, actually; push him | 22:28 |
| lcuk | BBNS_, of course they have been spoiled, but i compile and run on actual metal quickly and easily | 22:29 |
| Ppupnik | some one make a bugreport applet that submits current os and software version to bugtracker | 22:30 |
| lcuk | the emulated portion on maemo is still troublesome according to som | 22:30 |
| Ppupnik | lcuk can you bounce that to -devel pls | 22:30 |
| lcuk | which bit? | 22:30 |
| BBNS_ | yeah. qemu *beep* me off sometime ... | 22:30 |
| lcuk | and its already in motion - qt-creator is being targetted towards it isnt it | 22:31 |
| Ppupnik | suggestion: bugreport applet that submits current os and software version to bugtracker | 22:31 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ppupnik: Open an enhancement request :p | 22:31 |
| Ppupnik | and allows entering comment /title | 22:31 |
| lcuk | nahhh not an applet | 22:31 |
| Ppupnik | ok | 22:31 |
| Ppupnik | want discussion first | 22:31 |
| lcuk | isnt there already bug reporter | 22:31 |
| lcuk | or is that just crash reporter | 22:31 |
| Ppupnik | maybe my idea is bad | 22:31 |
| Ppupnik | ih golod | 22:31 |
| lcuk | lol if its an applet | 22:32 |
| lcuk | people will start blaming their cat | 22:32 |
| lcuk | for adding 900000000000 bugs | 22:32 |
| Ppupnik | k | 22:32 |
| Ppupnik | obviously such bugs would have an associated tag | 22:32 |
| BBNS_ | http://canihavecheezburger.com/ | 22:32 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 22:32 | |
| Ppupnik | to allow filtering them out | 22:32 |
| lcuk | grrr BBNS_ | 22:33 |
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| lcuk | http://icanhascheezburger.com/ | 22:33 |
| BBNS_ | oops | 22:33 |
| Ppupnik | i might need to present reasons for this idea better | 22:34 |
| lcuk | inside liqbase, i can add a note tagged to the name of any screen | 22:34 |
| lcuk | and upload them | 22:34 |
| lcuk | i want to group them in the future | 22:34 |
| Ppupnik | nice | 22:34 |
| lcuk | to see people raging about new features or bugs | 22:34 |
| lcuk | the rocket in the corner does tracing ontop of anything | 22:35 |
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| Ppupnik | do you know when images for flashing will be generally available? | 22:36 |
| Ppupnik | oct 22? | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | hey MoonTiger :) | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk, qwerty12_N810: sent him a challenge :P | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | he gets to prove me right or wrong on this issue | 22:36 |
| luke-jr | who's up for a game of FREECIV?! | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: if it wasn't this late, maybe | 22:36 |
| Ppupnik | i saw talk of genesis emulator - i can share what is working from my source tree | 22:36 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: pfft, it's 2:30 PM | 22:37 |
| qwerty12_N810 | luke-jr: Nope, but I'll play <insert any Microsoft game here> | 22:37 |
| Ppupnik | dunno | 22:37 |
| luke-jr | qwerty12_N810: fail | 22:37 |
| qwerty12_N810 | luke-jr: But, it's Microsoft! | 22:37 |
| JayBomb999 | Why can't the transitions, zooms, etc on the n900 be as liquid smooth as liqbase? They look awful in comparison. | 22:37 |
| luke-jr | exacty | 22:37 |
| Ppupnik | who will port scorched3d to n900 and be a maemo god? | 22:37 |
| Ppupnik | jaybomb yup too slow still | 22:38 |
| lcuk | JayBomb999, the transitions on n900 are drawn first using the cpu onto pixmap memory, this pixmap memory is then taken and converted to textures and sent back through the powervr chip | 22:38 |
| lcuk | and onwards to the screen | 22:38 |
| lcuk | liqbase has a since 800*480 screen and draws what it needs direct to that and send it | 22:39 |
| lcuk | has a single | 22:39 |
| JayBomb999 | lcuk: Is this.. better somehow? I really prefer your method. :) | 22:39 |
| lcuk | the best way to optimize the x11 transitions is to CUT DOWN ON THE DRAWN LAYERS | 22:39 |
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| lcuk | JayBomb999, its scalable | 22:40 |
| lcuk | i can draw lots and lots | 22:40 |
| lcuk | and my rendering routines are optimized | 22:40 |
| lcuk | so i can draw 1 800*480 screen, or lots of smaller ones | 22:40 |
| lcuk | in the same timeframe | 22:40 |
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| JayBomb999 | It is unlikely to see suck fluidity on the n900? | 22:40 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, send your patch to maemo team? =P | 22:40 |
| Ppupnik | at least this limitation isnt critical | 22:40 |
| JayBomb999 | suck=such | 22:40 |
| lcuk | BBNS_, give me a job | 22:41 |
| Ppupnik | but hopefully fixed in next gen | 22:41 |
| ali1234 | the n900 transitions are rendered completely in software? | 22:41 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, maybe ask qgil =P | 22:41 |
| lcuk | no | 22:41 |
| lcuk | they are powervr driven | 22:41 |
| lbt | Jaffa: you around? | 22:41 |
| BBNS_ | lcuk, i am from differnt unit. =P | 22:41 |
| MoonTiger | hey Stskeeps :) | 22:41 |
| lcuk | yeah i know | 22:41 |
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| Ppupnik | afaik there is no fast blitting of textures to opengl es | 22:42 |
| lcuk | the apps that work well have already been thinned out quite extensively | 22:42 |
| Ppupnik | i would like to be proven wrong though | 22:42 |
| lcuk | and the compositing itself once a screen is drawn is great | 22:42 |
| Ppupnik | hmm | 22:42 |
| JayBomb999 | Let me try that poorly written questions again,..is it unlikely to see liqbase type fluidity in maemo5/n900? | 22:42 |
| lbt | Jaffa: back in July (12/07/09 15:04) Re: Optimal battery life considerations in apps ... you talked about the power states for an app - did you take that further? | 22:42 |
| ali1234 | surely the display is in graphics memory already? | 22:42 |
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| lcuk | JayBomb999, liqbase runs on maemo 5 | 22:43 |
| MoonTiger | are the hardware drivers for the n810 really going to make a big difference? | 22:43 |
| lcuk | i told nokia on day 1 that the device ran too fast | 22:43 |
| lcuk | (it was actually a bug report | 22:43 |
| Ppupnik | once app is fullscreen, it renders via x, yes | 22:43 |
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| Ppupnik | hm | 22:44 |
| JayBomb999 | lcuk: I know. I was referring to the UI. The transitions are laggy in comparison to liqbase. | 22:44 |
| lcuk | Ppupnik, im not sure even fullscreen the compositor is bypassed | 22:44 |
| lcuk | but that might be a nice thing to try | 22:44 |
| luke-jr | anyone coming to play freeciv? :( | 22:44 |
| lcuk | transitions are nicer on the dashboard than liqbase | 22:44 |
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| lcuk | i like how fluid that works | 22:44 |
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| lcuk | they arent the problem | 22:44 |
| mikhas | on the n900, can apps using cairo get help from the dsp for rendering? | 22:45 |
| Ppupnik | lcuk i would rather not break maemo5 conventions but rather learn and apply them | 22:45 |
| lcuk | JayBomb999, when zooming in liqbase theres a little stutter at times, i dont notice it zooming in and out of the daskboard | 22:45 |
| lcuk | dash | 22:45 |
| lcuk | yeah Ppupnik me too | 22:46 |
| lcuk | i saw in the qt presentations that the qt rendering pathway is shorter | 22:46 |
| lcuk | with directly rendered elements | 22:46 |
| JayBomb999 | lcuk: Interesting. Every video of the N900, especially returning from the dashboard to a full screen app, show stutter. I thought your implementation in liqbase looked so much smoother. Though you'd know better. :) | 22:46 |
| lcuk | lol its possibly because i dont ever run too much | 22:47 |
| lcuk | i routinely have >15-20 items in liqbase playground tho | 22:47 |
| lcuk | and they come back every time | 22:47 |
| lcuk | but if i reboot device i have none in the dashboard | 22:47 |
| lcuk | so theres only ever a few | 22:47 |
| Ppupnik | it is great to have liqbase to compare to | 22:48 |
| lcuk | yeah, "a different approach" and finding what works in this can hopefully be used as lessons for other things | 22:48 |
| lcuk | it would be even nicer to start using liqbase for more than i want it for | 22:48 |
| Ppupnik | i see it co evolving | 22:48 |
| Ppupnik | in the next years | 22:48 |
| JayBomb999 | I don't know how to explain it exactly, but the dashboard zooming in/out doesn't look like compositing I see using compiz. It looks like it's being redrawn. If that makes any sense... | 22:49 |
| lcuk | dashboard is all pvr | 22:49 |
| JayBomb999 | pvr? | 22:49 |
| lcuk | its taking textures for X apps running | 22:49 |
| JayBomb999 | sorry... ignorant. | 22:49 |
| lcuk | powervr | 22:49 |
| lcuk | the 3d chip | 22:49 |
| lcuk | and zooming in out | 22:49 |
| lcuk | its what clutter can do well | 22:49 |
| lcuk | it should also rotate, but thats another discussion# | 22:49 |
| Ppupnik | i showed someone three webpages with animated gifs in overview | 22:49 |
| Ppupnik | and they went visibly mushy | 22:49 |
| Ppupnik | when can pupnik flash :) | 22:50 |
| JayBomb999 | I see. Why is there the hesitation then? Especially with a few apps open? | 22:50 |
| Ppupnik | it is worse than i thought it would be, leaving it brocked on desk :) | 22:51 |
| unixSnob | i noticed the n900 is going for $600.. is that for real? What's the euro price? | 22:51 |
| Ppupnik | 500 iirc | 22:51 |
| mikhas | €500 before taxes | 22:51 |
| * unixSnob wonders if they've sold any yet | 22:51 | |
| Ppupnik | it will drive new contracts | 22:51 |
| Ppupnik | betcha | 22:52 |
| JayBomb999 | When an app is going full screen from the dashboard, at about 80% it hesitates then.. "pops" to fullscreen. I find it a little jarring. | 22:52 |
| Ppupnik | agree j | 22:52 |
| JayBomb999 | Was hoping this was explained by unpolished firmware... | 22:52 |
| lcuk | JayBomb999, you are describing liqbase there | 22:52 |
| ali1234 | because up to that point it's stretching the app, then at the end the app has to reshape | 22:52 |
| lcuk | not fremantle lol | 22:52 |
| lcuk | cos i see that all the time in lb and not fremantle | 22:53 |
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| lcuk | ahhh when it changes skin | 22:53 |
| unixSnob | Nokia lost 20% in the last quarter due to lacking sales - no wonder | 22:53 |
| lcuk | from the mini view | 22:53 |
| lcuk | to the normal one | 22:53 |
| JayBomb999 | yes | 22:53 |
| Ppupnik | jay, it doesnt really interfere with the use, but it does look rough | 22:53 |
| JayBomb999 | Yes I could live with it. Just would rather not. ;) | 22:54 |
| lcuk | could people *PLEASE* stop posting drnoksnes game links in my PM box. *blink* | 22:55 |
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| Ppupnik | oh dear, a porsche is expensive. what will i do. waah. | 22:55 |
| Ppupnik | hah | 22:55 |
| RST38h | Go for a Lada? | 22:56 |
| wao | waah | 22:56 |
| wao | Ppupnik: buy a bmw! | 22:56 |
| MoonTiger | unixSnob, i think they need to get their act together indeed | 22:56 |
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| Ppupnik | yeah or audis monster cars | 22:56 |
| Ppupnik | or. bicycle | 22:57 |
| mikhas | from porsche | 22:57 |
| Ppupnik | 1997 specialized stumpjumper here | 22:57 |
| RST38h | bicycle gets wet in the rain | 22:57 |
| Ppupnik | women like wet guys | 22:58 |
| mikhas | so does a porsche | 22:58 |
| mikhas | whether as car or as bike | 22:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Segway | 22:59 |
| lcuk | curious | 22:59 |
| lcuk | jake just got n900 | 22:59 |
| lcuk | and he saw a scrollbar | 22:59 |
| lcuk | and wanted to scrolldown with it | 22:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | That's not just limited to Jake... | 23:00 |
| * qwerty12_N810 thinks of h-a-m with extras-devel enabled | 23:00 | |
| mikhas | yeah, the scrollbar is the worst part of the UI | 23:00 |
| mikhas | the rest is mostly great and intuitive | 23:00 |
| mikhas | if you read from left to right the scrollbar goes away too quickly before you recognize there was one | 23:00 |
| vasily_pupkin | hm | 23:01 |
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| vasily_pupkin | wpa_supplicant with patched module not working | 23:01 |
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| lcuk | mikhas, i did a load of stuff with kinetics and scrolling | 23:02 |
| lcuk | i rounded on a simple solution: | 23:02 |
| lcuk | left hand 80% of screen is kinetic | 23:02 |
| lcuk | right hand 20% is actually direct addressing | 23:02 |
| lcuk | and matches the scrollbar | 23:03 |
| lcuk | so if you grab and hold there you can get to bottom of list | 23:03 |
| lcuk | or anywhere else | 23:03 |
| lcuk | it takes a long press to start the direct addressing | 23:03 |
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| lcuk | so poking and using the list in the right hand side is still viable | 23:03 |
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| lcuk | hi ccooke | 23:07 |
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| andre__ | mikhas, there is a bug report in bugs.maemo.org that the scrollbar should be shown longer than 2secs. feel free to vote... | 23:10 |
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| villemv | anyone using maemo-pc-connectivity here? | 23:11 |
| villemv | I'm wondering... I don't see the control panel apllets not the status bar thingie | 23:11 |
| villemv | nor | 23:12 |
| villemv | the only "Extras" applets are "services" and "usb networking" | 23:12 |
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| lcuk | mikhas, well | 23:12 |
| lcuk | we did complain loudly for kinetics for years | 23:12 |
| lcuk | they gave em us | 23:12 |
| lcuk | well, we did complain about wanting kinetics for year | 23:12 |
| lcuk | balls | 23:12 |
| lcuk | theres me thinking that i wasnt typing | 23:13 |
| frals | :D | 23:13 |
| * lcuk scrolls xchat into view | 23:13 | |
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| vasily_pupkin | hm | 23:14 |
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| villemv | Depends: maemo-control-usb | 23:14 |
| villemv | Depends: maemo-control-services | 23:14 |
| villemv | that's the only deps for m-p-c I see | 23:14 |
| GAN900 | Just a heads up. Zombieland is amazing. | 23:14 |
| villemv | only cpl applets i mean | 23:14 |
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| villemv | can anyone with a working pc connectivity run apt-cache depends maemo-pc-connectivity for me? | 23:16 |
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| netBoss | Hey every one | 23:24 |
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| netBoss | Is the calaendar intergred in the system | 23:24 |
| netBoss | accept synconisation with Google Calandar | 23:24 |
| javispedro | I am sooo sick of sooo many stupid ROM PMs. | 23:25 |
| vasily_pupkin | javispedro: hey. i compile all, wpa_supplicant works | 23:25 |
| javispedro | vasily_pupkin: :) | 23:25 |
| vasily_pupkin | javispedro: but wlancond+wpa == fail | 23:25 |
| vasily_pupkin | :] | 23:25 |
| javispedro | :( | 23:25 |
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| lcuk | lol javispedro | 23:25 |
| javispedro | which eap? | 23:25 |
| vasily_pupkin | wpa/psk | 23:25 |
| javispedro | wierd. are you sure you did wlancan after loading the newly patched cx3110x? | 23:26 |
| vasily_pupkin | i see in dmesg, thar driver associated | 23:27 |
| vasily_pupkin | then pass some time | 23:27 |
| vasily_pupkin | and deassociate | 23:27 |
| javispedro | s/wlancan/wlancal | 23:27 |
| vasily_pupkin | yeah | 23:27 |
| vasily_pupkin | wpa_supplicant works | 23:27 |
| javispedro | can you md5sum the .ko file? | 23:27 |
| vasily_pupkin | i have very own kernel :] | 23:27 |
| vasily_pupkin | but.. | 23:27 |
| vasily_pupkin | 2f96ea02f17a97413f43c4d4fc1aa7f8 cx3110x.ko | 23:28 |
| javispedro | they differ but I guess it's due to build time or some other reason | 23:29 |
| vasily_pupkin | my sk_buff structure is differ :) | 23:29 |
| javispedro | if you right now rmmod the patched module and insmod the original one does wlancond work? | 23:29 |
| javispedro | ah well. | 23:29 |
| vasily_pupkin | i change modules once again | 23:29 |
| vasily_pupkin | now i put compiled without your patch | 23:30 |
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| javispedro | i am using it right now with wpa2 (aes) / psk | 23:30 |
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| vasily_pupkin | oh shit | 23:31 |
| vasily_pupkin | :) | 23:31 |
| vasily_pupkin | old modules not working too ^_^ | 23:31 |
| vasily_pupkin | hm | 23:31 |
| vasily_pupkin | can it be because of libicd-bla-bla and new osso-wlan? :] | 23:32 |
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| javispedro | libicd-network-wlan and new osso-wlan? shouldn't. | 23:32 |
| vasily_pupkin | hm | 23:32 |
| vasily_pupkin | fscked lifse ^_^ | 23:32 |
| javispedro | if you look at the osso-wlan patch it just adds a new flag ,doesn't change behaviour if flag not set. | 23:33 |
| vasily_pupkin | yeah, i see | 23:33 |
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| vasily_pupkin | oh lol | 23:35 |
| vasily_pupkin | to test wpa i own my neighbour point | 23:36 |
| vasily_pupkin | looks like passphrase is changed or something in that space | 23:36 |
| vasily_pupkin | hm | 23:36 |
| vasily_pupkin | (% | 23:36 |
| javispedro | heh. | 23:37 |
| vasily_pupkin | at least at this time wpa_supplicant not working too | 23:37 |
| vasily_pupkin | but it works some time ago with this module | 23:37 |
| vasily_pupkin | lets try from host.. | 23:37 |
| javispedro | if nothing works time to reboot lol :) | 23:37 |
| vasily_pupkin | (= | 23:38 |
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| vasily_pupkin | heh. if windows xp couldn't connect - nothing could | 23:42 |
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| vasily_pupkin | eh.. it was very good access point. i lost it for the name of truth ._. | 23:43 |
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| javispedro | ) { | 23:50 |
| javispedro | oops. | 23:50 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ^^ javispedro's function to take over the world | 23:51 |
| javispedro | If only I knew in which language it was written, I could run it.... | 23:51 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, finger pinch and pan out | 23:52 |
| lcuk | you might be able to see the rest of the code | 23:53 |
| lcuk | or swirly zoom should i say! | 23:53 |
| javispedro | swirly zoom! i don't want capacitive! | 23:53 |
| lcuk | i just tend to click back button to pan out | 23:53 |
| lcuk | less energetic than any other method | 23:54 |
| lcuk | i might do a comparison of how much energy it takes to do actions | 23:54 |
| lcuk | with multitouch, single touch and with stylus | 23:54 |
| mikhas | what wait. do you say swirly zoom will go away on future devices? | 23:54 |
| Macer | lcuk: i would expect you to be doing backflips since they are releasingn psuedo drivers for the opengles stuff on n8x0 | 23:55 |
| lcuk | how would i eat breakfast | 23:55 |
| lcuk | and read news | 23:55 |
| vasily_pupkin | javispedro: by the way, how can i put flags to use wpa_supplicant on saved networks? | 23:55 |
| mikhas | I yet have to see iphone users who use multitouch. most of them only use one finger | 23:55 |
| lcuk | Macer, opengles was never for liqbase | 23:55 |
| lcuk | it was for gaming | 23:55 |
| lcuk | liqbase would be slower with ogl | 23:55 |
| javispedro | vasily_pupkin: it's very undocumented. have you seen the gconf files in the repo? | 23:55 |
| vasily_pupkin | yeah | 23:56 |
| lcuk | i would however welcome blitter support | 23:56 |
| javispedro | ouch, there's still only one | 23:56 |
| lcuk | especially rotblit | 23:56 |
| Macer | let me rephrase | 23:56 |
| Macer | aren't they releasing drivers for the gpu on an n8x0? | 23:56 |
| Macer | :) | 23:56 |
| lcuk | yeah | 23:56 |
| Macer | that will allow you to use the 3d support? | 23:57 |
| lcuk | but i dont see how it will make liqbase faster | 23:57 |
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| Macer | you don't get to push stuff from liq onto the gpu? | 23:57 |
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| Macer | and use it to help with rendering? | 23:57 |
| lcuk | maybe in 12-18months again | 23:57 |
| lcuk | after the output paths have been redesigned | 23:58 |
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| lcuk | principle bottleneck now isnt rendering | 23:58 |
| lcuk | its image loading and decoding | 23:58 |
| Macer | so it doesn't help at all? :) | 23:58 |
| lcuk | at least on 810 | 23:58 |
| lcuk | not immediately | 23:58 |
| lcuk | i worked round that damage about a year ago | 23:58 |
| javispedro | vasily_pupkin: pull from git, and you see another gconf sample with IAP gconf settings | 23:59 |
| vasily_pupkin | ok | 23:59 |
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| javispedro | you have to import network-type.xml into gconf, | 23:59 |
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