| zerojay | How big? | 00:00 |
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| mgedmin | xchat*.deb | 00:00 |
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| mgedmin | a few hundred kb, I guess | 00:00 |
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| zerojay | I was transfering mp3s with a coworker on a Blackberry Storm just fine. | 00:00 |
| zerojay | ~4MB each. | 00:00 |
| mgedmin | from the n900 or into a n900? | 00:00 |
| zerojay | Onto. | 00:00 |
| mgedmin | interesting | 00:00 |
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| zerojay | It was just a little on the slow side. Took a few minutes for each. | 00:01 |
| Macer | wow. i left my n810 in my bag like a week ago and it is just now gettng a low battery | 00:01 |
| mgedmin | I tried bluetooth-sendto: hangs forever, no please accept on my n900 | 00:01 |
| zerojay | Did you pair first? | 00:01 |
| mgedmin | I tried sending a file from my n810, got an immediate error message | 00:01 |
| mgedmin | yes | 00:01 |
| zerojay | I'll try with my N900 and N810. Hang ong. | 00:01 |
| zerojay | -g | 00:01 |
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| mgedmin | I tried opening the file manager on my n810 and browsing the contents of the n900 via bluetooth -> fail | 00:02 |
| mgedmin | doing the same from my laptop worked | 00:02 |
| zerojay | I'll try that too then. | 00:02 |
| zerojay | Nokia logo... waiiitt... | 00:02 |
| * GAN900 so wants to file bugs. | 00:03 | |
| zerojay | Tell me about it. | 00:03 |
| zerojay | All the bugs I wanted to file in the last three weeks.... | 00:03 |
| zerojay | So other people might be doing it instead now.. bleh. | 00:03 |
| mgedmin | okay, trying again: bluetooth-sendto a mp4 file | 00:03 |
| mgedmin | ooh, a popup this time | 00:04 |
| zerojay | ah shit. | 00:04 |
| mgedmin | I say save, select a filename, the n900 says "receiving cancelled" | 00:04 |
| * zerojay hears N810 new email ring about 500 times straight. :/ | 00:04 | |
| mgedmin | the sender doesn't notice and stays at 1% or whatever | 00:04 |
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| javispedro | btw, which are the final games in the n900? | 00:05 |
| javispedro | the diablo four + bounce? | 00:05 |
| zerojay | Okay.... it's been ringing for 3 minutes straight. | 00:05 |
| mgedmin | again -> the same | 00:05 |
| zerojay | Bounce isn't preinstalled. | 00:05 |
| mgedmin | I declare it not working | 00:05 |
| mgedmin | javispedro: just the diablo four | 00:05 |
| javispedro | a. | 00:05 |
| javispedro | ta. | 00:05 |
| zerojay | N810 feels absolutely GIANT right now. | 00:05 |
| mgedmin | bounce is installable out of the box (the repo is preenabled) | 00:05 |
| * mgedmin misses <, > and ~ on the hardware kb | 00:06 | |
| zerojay | My new email sound was replaced with the Mario coin collect sound... | 00:06 |
| mgedmin | to get ~ you have to hold fn, press ctrl, wait for a popup animation (grr), hit the combining ~, then press space | 00:06 |
| javispedro | :) | 00:06 |
| zerojay | so I'm expecting to hear a 1up. | 00:06 |
| zerojay | Several times over. | 00:07 |
| zerojay | Still ringing. | 00:07 |
| zerojay | piss | 00:07 |
| mgedmin | and I haven't found any way to input ą | 00:07 |
| zerojay | I have no idea what that even is. | 00:08 |
| javispedro | I wonder if I could grab the "back" onscreen button image from the builtin games and be OK -- copyright wise. | 00:08 |
| * zerojay *STILL* hearing the new email sound going off. | 00:08 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: qgil said that using them was OK, but I'm not sure about redistributing it... | 00:09 |
| mgedmin | it's a LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH OGONEK | 00:09 |
| zerojay | mgedmin: That sounds like a DISEASE. | 00:09 |
| mgedmin | wait till you hear how it sounds when pronounced ;) | 00:09 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: ah, guess I need to check where the builtin games get it from. | 00:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 00:09 |
| mgedmin | (actually nothing scary, just a long aaaa) | 00:10 |
| zerojay | There's just... no way to stop this new e-mail ringing, is there? | 00:10 |
| javispedro | a hammer will suffice. | 00:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Mute? ;) | 00:10 |
| zerojay | I think I got something like 400 e-mails since I last powered up my N810 3 weeks ago. | 00:10 |
| mgedmin | put it into a hermetic container and suck the air out | 00:10 |
| zerojay | I would, but the tablet's too fucking busy to even let me do that. | 00:10 |
| mgedmin | uh oh | 00:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | killall -9 modest | 00:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | One of my favourite commands | 00:11 |
| zerojay | And how am I gonna do that? :) | 00:11 |
| javispedro | bah, modest is the best program by far >:) | 00:11 |
| javispedro | hammer! hammer!! | 00:11 |
| zerojay | Modest is a good program. | 00:11 |
| mgedmin | modest is nice, except when it sucks | 00:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: Telepathy... failing that: SSH :p | 00:11 |
| mgedmin | e.g. it doesn't list any imap folders on my work account | 00:11 |
| zerojay | I have never had problems with it since I started using it back on my N800. Still don't. | 00:11 |
| mgedmin | actually, maybe I should make sure it's modest's problem, and not the server's... | 00:12 |
| mgedmin | wait, I remember sylpheed showing those folders | 00:12 |
| zerojay | I wish RSS wasn't fucked up on the N900. :/ | 00:12 |
| mgedmin | it's either modest or connection lag/timeout | 00:12 |
| mgedmin | google reader (mobile version) works okay-ish | 00:13 |
| zerojay | Yeah, not interested in using that. | 00:13 |
| mgedmin | two downsides: no 'like' button, icons look wrong if you set text size to 'large' | 00:13 |
| mgedmin | I'm no longer interested in an rss reader that doesn't synchronize my "read this post" status across multiple machines | 00:13 |
| zerojay | Part of the reason why I planned on just using the N900 for it. | 00:14 |
| zerojay | But syncing is completely fucked. | 00:14 |
| zerojay | Update automatically only on wifi = I won't update more than once every two weeks. | 00:15 |
| zerojay | Even though I'm at home wifi nightly. | 00:15 |
| zerojay | motherfucker. | 00:15 |
| zerojay | I thought the new email sounds had stopped... but no. | 00:16 |
| javispedro | fmradio already on extras-devel :) | 00:16 |
| javispedro | (thank pycage) | 00:16 |
| mgedmin | ah, but can it play radio? | 00:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Couldn't get it to work for me | 00:16 |
| javispedro | well, I assume he has a n900 so he could ACTUALLY TEST IT? | 00:16 |
| * javispedro goes to cry alone under his bridge | 00:16 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | Maybe I should've plugged in headphones and stopped the media player beforehand... | 00:16 |
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| * qwerty12_N810 causes the bridge to collapse | 00:17 | |
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| * javispedro dies, gets to play kirby's dream course in god's n900 | 00:17 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | That sounds more like hell. I mean, Kirby? WTF | 00:17 |
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| zerojay | That game is amazing. | 00:18 |
| * javispedro tells god to ensure certain british southern guy goes to hell. | 00:18 | |
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| zerojay | javispedro: lcuk won't appreciate that. :/ | 00:18 |
| javispedro | hum. | 00:18 |
| javispedro | wasn't lcuk the northern? | 00:18 |
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| * qwerty12_N810 is a northerner | 00:19 | |
| javispedro | ok, now this is funny :) | 00:19 |
| zerojay | I don't know, they're all funny talkers to me. | 00:19 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | He just happens to be in the south | 00:19 |
| jaem_N810 | good afternoon :) | 00:19 |
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| zerojay | Hi. | 00:19 |
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| zerojay | I love how T-Mobile didn't have any backups for their Sidekick user data. lol | 00:19 |
| zerojay | And since everything on a sidekick is stored on T-Mobile servers... oops. | 00:20 |
| javispedro | hiyo jaem | 00:20 |
| jaem_N810 | does Maemo have a program to show raw key events? I seem to remember using something like that on my desktop | 00:20 |
| zerojay | xev? | 00:20 |
| qwerty12_N900 | xev? | 00:20 |
| javispedro | unless installed from the sdk repo, I guess not. | 00:20 |
| * zerojay wins. | 00:20 | |
| mgedmin | the sidekick disaster is hilarious (to those who don't have one) | 00:20 |
| Stskeeps | moo | 00:20 |
| jaem_N810 | oh, it is that? :S I tried it last night, but got tired and went to bed :P | 00:21 |
| jaem_N810 | Stskeeps: hi | 00:21 |
| * javispedro tells god to not to send anyone to hell, just in case. | 00:21 | |
| qwerty12_N900 | zerojay: you're Canadian: you lose :p | 00:21 |
| zerojay | A friend of mine works for T-Mobile... he used to tell me that the people there go through the server data all the time. | 00:21 |
| ccooke | evening all | 00:21 |
| zerojay | It's amazing how many people take nude pics of themselves. | 00:21 |
| javispedro | re Sts | 00:21 |
| zerojay | I tried to call him this weekend. He picked up the phone, yelled "FUCK YOU" and hung up. lol | 00:22 |
| ccooke | I see I've come in on a high point | 00:22 |
| javispedro | :) | 00:22 |
| zerojay | qwerty12_N900: :~( | 00:22 |
| mgedmin | :) | 00:22 |
| javispedro | coding in C tends to make me hate C and like C++, but coding in C++ makes me hate C++ and like Java, but coding in Java makes me hate Java and like C. | 00:23 |
| jaem_N810 | ahaha | 00:23 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | zerojay: :p. Oh, for what it is worth, I do not sound like lcuk (thank god) | 00:24 |
| zerojay | mgedmin: Trying to browse to my N900 via bluetooth from my n810 fails. | 00:24 |
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| jaem_N810 | wheew... good, my switcher key is not broken | 00:24 |
| jaem_N810 | it just stopped doing anything | 00:25 |
| jaem_N810 | woo | 00:25 |
| ccooke | javispedro: try cobol. it'll make you hate everything | 00:25 |
| jaem_N810 | ccooke: including cobol? | 00:25 |
| zerojay | mgedmin: Sending a 681kb image from n810 to n900 worked fine. | 00:25 |
| ccooke | jaem_N810: *oh* yes | 00:25 |
| mgedmin | zerojay: I detect a pattern here | 00:25 |
| jaem_N810 | ccooke: tried INTERCAL? | 00:26 |
| mgedmin | worksforyou, doesn'tworkforme | 00:26 |
| ccooke | I have read exactly one cobol program I liked. that was a retelling of goldilocks | 00:26 |
| mgedmin | how can it well who is trying to connect? | 00:26 |
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| zerojay | mgedmin: No. I couldn't browse to my N900 through file manager either, like you. | 00:26 |
| jaem_N810 | ccooke: wait... what?! | 00:26 |
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| ccooke | jaem_N810: that and a few other esoterics. lots of fun | 00:26 |
| * mgedmin was referring to file sending | 00:26 | |
| ccooke | jaem_N810: it's likely online somewhdere. google it | 00:27 |
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| jaem_N810 | ccooke: the best time to read the INTERCAL manual is 2am :) | 00:27 |
| ccooke | jaem_N810: not intercal, the cobol goldilocks | 00:27 |
| jaem_N810 | so, I've been out of the loop... I take it the N900s have shipped? | 00:27 |
| zerojay | hmm... I don't see an easy way to send a file via bluetooth from the N900. :/ | 00:27 |
| zerojay | jaem_N810: No. | 00:27 |
| * jaem_N810 is waiting for his uni to get theirs shipped in so he can play with it | 00:28 | |
| javispedro | jaem_N810: lol at INTERCAL | 00:28 |
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| mgedmin | copying a 16-meg file via obex ftp into a n900 works for me (at 200 KB/sec) if I do that from my laptop (running ubuntu) | 00:28 |
| inte_ | hello | 00:28 |
| ccooke | http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mader/delta/deltoidslist/1998-06/msg00119.html | 00:28 |
| inte_ | if someone here has access to a N900 device | 00:29 |
| jaem_N810 | I'm working with some other students at my uni on a project using the N900 and N97 | 00:29 |
| zerojay | mgedmin: How do you send from the N900 via bluetooth? | 00:29 |
| zerojay | inte_: Yeah. | 00:29 |
| inte_ | I would really like to know if it is possible to switch phone lines for outgoing calls (Alternate Line Service - ALS) | 00:29 |
| mgedmin | I keep forgetting that the stand has no intermediate positions | 00:29 |
| javispedro | I just remembered I know somebody who calls the "ampersand" punctuation symbol "aftersun". | 00:30 |
| * b-man17 ´s Core2 Duo laptop with 3 gigs of ram starts to lag while building dosbox.... lol | 00:30 | |
| inte_ | most nokia devices support two phone lines, but I cannot find any info about the N900 | 00:30 |
| inte_ | please... | 00:30 |
| inte_ | &thanls | 00:30 |
| inte_ | thanls | 00:30 |
| inte_ | THANKS | 00:30 |
| b-man17 | xD | 00:31 |
| qwerty12_N900 | thanks | 00:31 |
| zerojay | inte_: I don't have two phone lines so... | 00:31 |
| inte_ | damed :-) | 00:31 |
| jaem_N810 | b-man17: try using a dual-atom :( | 00:31 |
| * qwerty12_N900 is content with one | 00:31 | |
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| b-man17 | eww | 00:31 |
| zerojay | I don't even have one. lol | 00:31 |
| mgedmin | two phone lines? as in dual sim cards? | 00:31 |
| zerojay | Just data for me, please. | 00:31 |
| inte_ | @mgedmin two lines | 00:31 |
| mgedmin | what does that mean? | 00:31 |
| jaem_N810 | b-man17: I'm just waiting for my dorm neighbour to get his 8-core Xeon monstrousity up and running :P | 00:31 |
| ccooke | mgedmin: no, ability to have two concurrent calls | 00:32 |
| mgedmin | ah | 00:32 |
| zerojay | Call waiting? | 00:32 |
| inte_ | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_line_service | 00:32 |
| mgedmin | is that the thing called 'call waiting'? | 00:32 |
| ccooke | or one and a data call | 00:32 |
| ccooke | zerojay: related, iirc. logic suggests it | 00:32 |
| inte_ | in english | 00:32 |
| inte_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_line_service | 00:32 |
| b-man17 | jaem_N810: lol | 00:32 |
| mgedmin | voice + data at once is possible with 3g, not possible with 2g (or 2.5g), afaiu | 00:32 |
| inte_ | no two voice lines | 00:32 |
| jaem_N810 | b-man17: what distro are you running? | 00:32 |
| inte_ | one private one business line | 00:32 |
| zerojay | If you're in a call, you can still use the net... dunno if that helps or not. | 00:32 |
| inte_ | on N97 eg you can easily switch | 00:33 |
| ccooke | mgedmin: it also allows conferencing via a single phone | 00:33 |
| inte_ | zerojay no I have different ring tones depening on the line the call comes in | 00:33 |
| b-man17 | jaem_N810: i´m on Ubuntu 8.10 atm | 00:33 |
| inte_ | two bills depending on the line I choose to dial out | 00:33 |
| Firebird | you could sort of emulate ALS with a google voice number | 00:33 |
| zerojay | All I know is that I have SIP and Skype... it's enough for me. :P | 00:34 |
| ccooke | or any sip service | 00:34 |
| ccooke | sigpate are good in the .uk, btw | 00:34 |
| mgedmin | GNOME rules! | 00:34 |
| ccooke | (but I hear less so elsewhere) | 00:34 |
| zerojay | mgedmin: Ew. :) | 00:34 |
| jaem_N810 | hmm... I haven't found any SIP services with rates as good as Skype's subscriptions, unfortunately | 00:34 |
| mgedmin | skype sucks a lot; everything else sucks a lot more :( | 00:34 |
| qwerty12_N900 | mgedmin:yep, just not nautilus... | 00:34 |
| jaem_N810 | yeah | 00:34 |
| jaem_N810 | I got that feeling | 00:35 |
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| * mgedmin actually had nautilus in mind, plus the recent 'file operations' window, whatever it is | 00:35 | |
| inte_ | http://your.rogers.com/business/wireless/services/secondvoicelineservice.asp | 00:35 |
| jaem_N810 | apparently Windows Skype in Wine works fine (or did) | 00:35 |
| zerojay | Nautilus is terrible. Everything on Gnome feels so disjointed to me. | 00:35 |
| Flyser_ | Can I download a complete filesystem image of a n900 yet? | 00:35 |
| inte_ | this is the service I'm taking about | 00:35 |
| mgedmin | Flyser_: no | 00:35 |
| zerojay | Flyser_: No. | 00:36 |
| inte_ | is it supported by the N900? | 00:36 |
| inte_ | http://your.rogers.com/business/wireless/services/secondvoicelineservice.asp | 00:36 |
| mgedmin | but I heard that one will be available soon (as in within a couple of days) | 00:36 |
| zerojay | I don't have the service, so I don't know. | 00:36 |
| Flyser_ | mgedmin: zerojay: when will they be released? | 00:36 |
| mgedmin | someone (I'm bad with names and nicks, okay?) recently bricked his n900 | 00:36 |
| Flyser_ | they=the images | 00:36 |
| mgedmin | and had it reflashed by a nokia guy at the summit | 00:36 |
| zerojay | Flyser_: Launch, maybe. | 00:36 |
| inte_ | zerojay which provider do you use? | 00:36 |
| mgedmin | and that guy said he would put the image online when he got back home | 00:36 |
| zerojay | inte_: Rogers. | 00:36 |
| Flyser_ | okay :-) | 00:36 |
| inte_ | zerojay ah thats cool so the simcard should support the service | 00:37 |
| Firebird | zerojay, disjointed? | 00:37 |
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| zerojay | Tomorrow, images will be made available to those of us that are using older firmware... those that got their N900s before Summit. | 00:37 |
| inte_ | if you switch to line 2 you can't of course make calls | 00:37 |
| zerojay | Firebird: Yes, disjointed. As in no integration. | 00:37 |
| inte_ | but you should be able to switch | 00:37 |
| inte_ | if the device supports it | 00:37 |
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| Firebird | what kind of integration do you really need... | 00:37 |
| zerojay | Firebird: I hope that's a joke. | 00:38 |
| jaem_N810 | Firebird: integration is nice, provided the apps are good | 00:38 |
| inte_ | you could try on other (symbian) nokia phones - you can switch by holding the hashbutton if the simcard is activated for the service | 00:38 |
| Firebird | I've never felt any need for integration with nautilus and the rest of gnome at least | 00:38 |
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| * mgedmin takes some of the GNOME/nautilus praise back | 00:38 | |
| zerojay | Firebird: I'm not talking about Nautilus alone. I'm talking about Gnome as a whole. | 00:38 |
| mgedmin | three files are stuck in the operations window at "0 seconds remaining" | 00:38 |
| mgedmin | afaict they're copied, just not removed from the list | 00:39 |
| mgedmin | this had happened once before, I remember | 00:39 |
| mgedmin | I found no way of clearing the list | 00:39 |
| mgedmin | the cancel button didn't work | 00:39 |
| jaem_N810 | zerojay: true... a lot of their apps are good, but they don't all work together as nicely as, say, KDE | 00:39 |
| zerojay | Everything feels like it was coded by someone on the other end of the universe that doesn't care about the rest of Gnome or using other features or whatever. | 00:39 |
| qwerty12_N900 | mgedmin: killall nautilus works for me... | 00:39 |
| Firebird | zerojay, I use like one program in gnome, nautilus, so I'm not really feeling the lack of integration | 00:39 |
| zerojay | And then the fact that they break compatibility and dump their own programs every few days... | 00:39 |
| zerojay | Firebird: What else do you use then? | 00:40 |
| mgedmin | okay, different bug this time, maybe not a bug | 00:40 |
| Firebird | the terminal? | 00:40 |
| jaem_N810 | qwerty12_N900: refresh my memory... does Nautilus also serve as the GNOME shell? | 00:40 |
| mgedmin | as soon as all of the files were transferred, the operations window disappeared | 00:40 |
| zerojay | Firebird: You just use Nautilus and the terminal on your computer? | 00:40 |
| Firebird | that's about the only two things in gnome suite | 00:40 |
| mgedmin | last time I think I was screwed by a network connection loss while using gvfs sftp | 00:40 |
| javispedro | jaem_N810: serves as desktop, but gnome-panel as panel. | 00:41 |
| Firebird | zerojay, don't think xchat is part of gnome as a whole | 00:41 |
| Firebird | or any other programs | 00:41 |
| jaem_N810 | javispedro: right | 00:41 |
| zerojay | Firebird: Whhhhhaaa?? | 00:41 |
| jaem_N810 | :S | 00:41 |
| Firebird | zerojay, gnome only has a few programs, everything else is just a gtk program | 00:42 |
| zerojay | If that's true, that explains it. | 00:42 |
| luke-jr | GTK, GNOME, same crap | 00:42 |
| zerojay | luke-jr: That's how I've always looked at it. | 00:43 |
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| mgedmin | nah, to become part of GNOME you have to not suck, mostly | 00:43 |
| inte_ | zerojay hey you should get the second line activated its cool and it seems to be free on rogers | 00:43 |
| mgedmin | mp4 files (320x240 H.264) on a n900 are interesting: bit laggy at the beginning, completely stopped and frozen video in the middle, play just find at the end; the audio is mostly flawless (there was one brief stuck moment) | 00:43 |
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| zerojay | inte_: As I already said, I don't even have a first line yet, just data so.... :) | 00:44 |
| inte_ | zerojay and you could check if the device supports the service... :-) | 00:44 |
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| zerojay | And how am I going to do that? You wanna pay for me to get two lines? :) | 00:45 |
| inte_ | zerojay no its free | 00:45 |
| jaem_N810 | zerojay: sure, why not | 00:45 |
| * zerojay slams his head into a wall. | 00:45 | |
| inte_ | http://your.rogers.com/business/wireless/services/secondvoicelineservice.asp | 00:45 |
| Firebird | inte_, he has no phone service on his device | 00:45 |
| jaem_N810 | inte_: *having* two lines may be free, but the lines themselves are not | 00:45 |
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| zerojay | inte_: Are you listening to anything I've said? | 00:45 |
| inte_ | $0 Second Voice Line | 00:45 |
| inte_ | ups | 00:46 |
| Firebird | he has no first line to begin with | 00:46 |
| inte_ | :-) | 00:46 |
| inte_ | sorry | 00:46 |
| zerojay | FOR ME TO HAVE A SECOND VOICE LINE I MUST HAVE A *FIRST* ONE. | 00:46 |
| jaem_N810 | inte_: yes, but you still have to pay for the minutes, anyway | 00:46 |
| Firebird | win! | 00:46 |
| inte_ | hehe i see | 00:46 |
| * zerojay hulks out. | 00:46 | |
| inte_ | jaem I use mine mostly for incomming calls | 00:46 |
| * javispedro hides from the gamma rays | 00:46 | |
| inte_ | to distingish between business and private calls | 00:46 |
| * jaem_N810 basks in the gamma rays | 00:46 | |
| jaem_N810 | inte_: ah, okay | 00:47 |
| inte_ | or send first line calls directly to the mailbox | 00:47 |
| mgedmin | http://www.flickr.com/photos/mackarus/4001102936/ | 00:47 |
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| mgedmin | locking your cpu at 600 mhz will fry the device | 00:47 |
| mgedmin | what does "locking" mean? | 00:47 |
| mgedmin | installing a custom app that sets the cpufreq policy? | 00:47 |
| mgedmin | or is it sufficient to do a while(1); loop long enough? | 00:47 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 00:48 |
| mgedmin | option B is scary | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | If you have the governor set to allow 600MHz | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not at the moment as I understand it | 00:48 |
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| mgedmin | locking it at 550 mhz will do likewise, afaiu | 00:48 |
| mgedmin | so out of the box it's limited to 500 mhz? | 00:48 |
| mgedmin | or does it do short bursts into higher speed? | 00:48 |
| javispedro | seems so. | 00:48 |
| javispedro | limited to 550Mhz at least, and maybe some changes to ondemand policy. | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | It can apparantly be set higher for some apps | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | bu thtat's not very clear | 00:49 |
| Firebird | so no performance mode? | 00:50 |
| dtrack | anyone ever get gnome working on maemo? | 00:50 |
| dtrack | or an alternative distro | 00:50 |
| dtrack | (not hildon) | 00:51 |
| Firebird | there's debian with xfce | 00:51 |
| dtrack | hrm | 00:51 |
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| dtrack | nothing with gnome though? | 00:51 |
| Firebird | debian? apt-get gnome? | 00:51 |
| dtrack | tried that | 00:52 |
| dtrack | breaks a lot of thing | 00:52 |
| dtrack | s | 00:52 |
| Firebird | hm | 00:52 |
| dtrack | lol | 00:52 |
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| dtrack | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=24272 | 00:52 |
| dtrack | im downloading this atm | 00:52 |
| dtrack | i'll try apt-get gnome on that i guess | 00:53 |
| Firebird | well there's a debian which you can boot from SD | 00:53 |
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| Firebird | which seems to be lost (can't locate a recent page anywhere) | 00:53 |
| goldbug | Hi. Is it possible to install the newer fremantle/n900 version of adobe-flashplayer on a n800/n810? Or is that a dumb idea? :) | 00:53 |
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| dtrack | deblet? | 00:54 |
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| Firebird | dtrack, yea | 00:54 |
| Firebird | the homepage gives a 404 | 00:54 |
| dtrack | yeah | 00:54 |
| dtrack | thats basically mer now | 00:54 |
| Firebird | ah, right | 00:54 |
| dtrack | http://b-man.xceleo.org/v2/ | 00:54 |
| dtrack | ive been trying to get ubuntu to work | 00:55 |
| dtrack | with no success D: | 00:55 |
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| Macer | ugh | 01:03 |
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| pwnguin | i dont know if this is the right place to ask, but ive got an existing tmobile plan / SIM card. does mameo have a configuration setting on a n900 to run as a phone but direct IP traffic over wifi only? | 01:04 |
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| pwnguin | data plan on a prepaid is kinda brutal | 01:05 |
| kynky | no idea, but if its linux must have a way of configuring net interfaces, ifconfig ... ? | 01:06 |
| kynky | could you ring up tmobile and ask to turn data off, like you can do when you do roaming ? | 01:06 |
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| pwnguin | actually, im not even sure i get a data plan | 01:07 |
| Macer | ugh | 01:08 |
| Macer | have to seriously get my web server going again | 01:08 |
| Macer | finally have a chance to work on it | 01:08 |
| kynky | ringing tmobile up cant do any harm, to find out if you can block stuff | 01:08 |
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| mgedmin | pwnguin: http://my-symbian.com/other/show2.php?pic=scr46.jpg | 01:11 |
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| mgedmin | from http://my-symbian.com/other/preview_n900.php?page=2 | 01:11 |
| mgedmin | then it will use data traffic over cellular if and only if you explicitly connect that way | 01:12 |
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| pwnguin | heh. voip | 01:12 |
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| mgedmin | same user interface for making skype calls as for making cellular calls | 01:13 |
| mgedmin | there's this little dropdown control where you can switch call type | 01:13 |
| mgedmin | neat, I think | 01:13 |
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| * mgedmin really needs to go pack | 01:14 | |
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| pwnguin | marius gedminas... i recognize that name | 01:14 |
| pwnguin | i think. | 01:15 |
| pwnguin | no, im thinking of marius neldor | 01:17 |
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| freekyfrogy | hey, anyone here? | 01:34 |
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| funness | hi | 01:36 |
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| freekyfrogy | ok | 01:37 |
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| freekyfrogy | so Ihave a question, if anyone can help | 01:38 |
| freekyfrogy | I'm trying to install the install-toolkit.deb onto my n800 in order to set it up to boot from my sdcard | 01:39 |
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| freekyfrogy | but it's not letting me install it | 01:40 |
| freekyfrogy | I keep getting an installation error | 01:40 |
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| freekyfrogy | hey | 01:42 |
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| Tadthebuilder | the summit is over right? | 02:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 02:25 |
| Tadthebuilder | thanks | 02:25 |
| Tadthebuilder | oh while your in here, | 02:25 |
| Tadthebuilder | I have a quick question that you might be able to answer | 02:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | its kinda off topic... | 02:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | #maemo frequently is. ;) | 02:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | but would it be possible to playing some (lets say an audible book) and have | 02:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | audacity record it? | 02:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | as an mp3 | 02:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | without a microphone | 02:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | just using the internal soundcard | 02:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're still going to lose quality. | 02:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean, you can do that. | 02:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | But burning it to a CD is probably simpler. | 02:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | other than the fact that I have to find a cd rom drive... | 02:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | dont use those much any more | 02:27 |
| rm_you | so to get rid of drm? | 02:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | though | 02:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | yes | 02:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | would i lose more quality than if I burned to cd and ripped to mp3? | 02:28 |
| Tadthebuilder | thats a pretty significant loss I have heard | 02:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, you wouldn't lose more. | 02:29 |
| rm_you | off for the night | 02:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just increase the encoding quality. | 02:29 |
| rm_you | laterz | 02:29 |
| Tadthebuilder | bye | 02:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or use a lossless codec. | 02:29 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah okay | 02:29 |
| Tadthebuilder | the only problem is i have to boot into my buggy windows partition... | 02:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not ideal, but that's what you get for licensing content. :P | 02:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | have not been keeping up with it...so its got tuns of spyware | 02:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | ahha | 02:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | well | 02:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | I just forgot to read the fine print | 02:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 02:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | I thought it would be like amazons music mp3 | 02:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | which have a linux downloader | 02:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | and are drmless | 02:30 |
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| Tadthebuilder | thats what I get for letting people use my computer in windows.... | 02:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I wonder how many of these companies realize there are hordes of people waiting in the wings with money burning a hole in their pocket just to pay for content that isn't encumbered. <_< | 02:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | I donno but I would love it | 02:31 |
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| Tadthebuilder | Itunes finally learned | 02:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | still dont buy music from them | 02:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | cause I hate itunes | 02:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | (the program) | 02:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | I dont understand what the drm is really accomplishing | 02:32 |
| Tadthebuilder | other than keeping law abiding citizens from listening to what they purchased on the device of their choosing | 02:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | It makes the dinosaurs that run the content industry feel better. | 02:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're kind of like gun laws. ;) | 02:32 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 02:32 |
| Tadthebuilder | true | 02:32 |
| Tadthebuilder | it just does not stop people from pirating it | 02:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | I could go on isohunt.com and download | 02:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | the same book I bought | 02:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | if anything it makes me want to pirate | 02:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've been using iTunes since it was SoundJam MP. ;) | 02:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | not that im going too | 02:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | I use mediamonkey in windows | 02:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | and aamorok and rythmbox in linux | 02:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | I used to use foobar | 02:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | and sometiems | 02:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | when im surfing the net I use xmms | 02:34 |
| * Tadthebuilder would like an n900 | 02:34 | |
| Tadthebuilder | can you write in your will that I get yours if you die? | 02:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | assuming you get the community discount | 02:35 |
| Tadthebuilder | and get one | 02:35 |
| GAN900 | I don't own one. :P | 02:35 |
| Tadthebuilder | anyway | 02:35 |
| Tadthebuilder | im botting into windows... | 02:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | wish me luck on my conversion and drm removal | 02:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | booting* | 02:36 |
| GAN900 | In fact, I don't think anybody on the planet actually owns one at this pint. | 02:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | what aobut lcuk? | 02:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | is it still nokias | 02:36 |
| GAN900 | Think so. | 02:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah | 02:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | okay | 02:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | well if you get one | 02:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | willi t to me | 02:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | so if you die ill get one | 02:36 |
| GAN900 | lcuk's special, though | 02:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | he is | 02:37 |
| GAN900 | You know, short bus. . . . | 02:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | tis true | 02:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | i dont know about that | 02:37 |
| GAN900 | lol | 02:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | liqbase | 02:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | is awesome | 02:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | I use it all the time | 02:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | anyway | 02:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | bye | 02:37 |
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| Tadthebuilder | have a nice day/night | 02:37 |
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| GAN900 | (we love you Gary! :P) | 02:38 |
| GAN900 | bye | 02:38 |
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| Macer | blah | 03:24 |
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| Macer | lol. goddamn andromeda turned into star wars | 03:36 |
| Macer | "let your feelings guide you" | 03:36 |
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| pwnguin | heh, from amazon's listing of n900: "Full messaging capabilities including SMS, MMS, mobile instant messaging (with presence-enhanced contacts), personal and corporate email (with support for Exchange and viewing attachments)." | 04:31 |
| pwnguin | anyone tried that? | 04:31 |
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| b-man17 | :) | 04:46 |
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| GAN900 | Goodamn | 06:20 |
| Macer | damnit | 06:20 |
| Macer | does everybody have one of these fuckiung n900s but me? :) | 06:20 |
| Macer | i feel like the poor child looking through the resturaunt window | 06:20 |
| GAN900 | Wasn't Nokia supposed to make these legalese bs less irritating. | 06:20 |
| zerojay | They did. | 06:20 |
| zerojay | Still annoying though. | 06:21 |
| GAN900 | Macer, IRC has a disproportiate number of unhealthy contributors. | 06:21 |
| GAN900 | Macer, IRC has a disproportiate number of unhealthy contributors. | 06:21 |
| GAN900 | Check the box. | 06:21 |
| Macer | huh? :) | 06:21 |
| Macer | that damn irc! | 06:21 |
| zerojay | unhealthy? | 06:22 |
| GAN900 | Somebody needs to tell them that users just ignore warnings they see OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN | 06:22 |
| Macer | warnings | 06:22 |
| Macer | like "do not pirate this music" | 06:22 |
| Macer | :) | 06:22 |
| GAN900 | zerojay, i.e., way too much time spent on a hobby. :D | 06:22 |
| zerojay | Oh.. lol. | 06:22 |
| zerojay | No doubt. | 06:22 |
| Macer | i'm still watching this disgusting andromeda season | 06:23 |
| Macer | :) | 06:23 |
| GAN900 | Apple only shows that when you enable sharing the first time. | 06:23 |
| Macer | i think i'd still rather impregnate trance than romie | 06:23 |
| GAN900 | Nokia throws it in your face. | 06:23 |
| Macer | GAN900: at least maemo 5 is probably pretty nice | 06:23 |
| zerojay | It is. | 06:23 |
| Macer | compared to this touchbook os | 06:24 |
| * zerojay twists the knife. ;) | 06:24 | |
| GAN900 | The sad part? Nokia's software is usually the stuff that's dangerously broken. | 06:24 |
| Macer | i don't know.. maemo4 was pretty good | 06:24 |
| GAN900 | Maemo 5 is better in most respects. | 06:25 |
| Macer | it uses qt | 06:27 |
| Macer | that alone makes it better ;) | 06:27 |
| Macer | death to gtk | 06:27 |
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| GAN900 | Erm | 06:29 |
| GAN900 | No, it uses GTK | 06:29 |
| GAN900 | Harmattan is Q | 06:29 |
| Macer | i thought it uses qt | 06:29 |
| Macer | wtf? :) | 06:29 |
| GAN900 | and, seriously, are you a programmer? | 06:29 |
| Macer | no. but qt is nicer looking :) | 06:30 |
| GAN900 | Erm | 06:30 |
| Macer | i don't care what anybody says... qt looks better than gtk based stuff | 06:30 |
| Macer | :) | 06:30 |
| GAN900 | Yeah. You, like me, aren't really qualified to judge toolkits. ;) | 06:30 |
| Macer | maybe | 06:31 |
| GAN900 | You clearly haven't used Maemo 5. | 06:31 |
| Macer | but i can judge how qt based stuff looks nicer | 06:31 |
| Macer | haha | 06:31 |
| zerojay | QT in Maemo isn't going to look like KDE. | 06:32 |
| GAN900 | Themeing doesn't have much to do with the merits of a particularly toolkit. | 06:32 |
| zerojay | GTK has always looked like complete crap to me. Maemo 5 doesn't... so really... doesn't matter. | 06:33 |
| Firebird | eh? gtk and qt look exactly the same on maemo | 06:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've yet to be impressed by a single Linux toolkit theme. ;) | 06:34 |
| Firebird | zerojay, gtk is intended to look like crap and be boring | 06:34 |
| Firebird | in fact, its a feature | 06:34 |
| Macer | haha | 06:34 |
| zerojay | One of the few features it has. Heh. | 06:35 |
| Macer | no. i'm sure it is an old feature :) | 06:35 |
| zerojay | If I were a GTK developer, I think I would be tearing my hair out. | 06:35 |
| zerojay | Shit in GTK just changes far too often. | 06:35 |
| zerojay | They dump major libraries all the time. | 06:35 |
| zerojay | Just to replace them for the next major revision... just to dump them again the next time. | 06:36 |
| zerojay | It's a moving target. | 06:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, at least it isn't boring. :P | 06:37 |
| zerojay | Maybe not for the developers. | 06:37 |
| zerojay | For users.. it's the bible. lol | 06:37 |
| GAN900 | Bleh, a little piece of me dies inside every time Andre says he's forwarding a bug. :(( | 06:44 |
| Macer | haha | 06:47 |
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| samad | hello everyone | 06:49 |
| samad | I need to make installation package of software with input parameter for N900 . Is there anybody who can help me regarding this | 06:51 |
| GAN900 | samad, it goes against recommendations, is there any way you could get it at first start? | 06:52 |
| samad | GAN900 , ok i am starting and will knock u if any problem | 06:54 |
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| samad | I need to make installation package of software with input parameter for N900 . Is there anybody who can help me regarding this | 08:21 |
| samad | GAN900, I didn't find how to start regarding this | 08:24 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 10:21 |
| frals | mornin o/ | 10:22 |
| frals | god i shut down my computer during the night and now its freezing in here, last time im doing that :p | 10:22 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 10:26 |
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| Macer | computer and heat transfer | 10:29 |
| Macer | :) | 10:29 |
| Macer | people should make entire houses out of computers | 10:31 |
| Macer | haha | 10:31 |
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| ensi | morning | 10:45 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:45 |
| JamieBennett | morning | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 10:46 |
| thux | morning | 10:51 |
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| inte_ | hello | 10:52 |
| inte_ | if someone here has access to a N900 device | 10:53 |
| inte_ | I would really like to know if it is possible to switch phone lines for outgoing calls (Alternate Line Service - ALS) | 10:53 |
| inte_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_line_service | 10:53 |
| inte_ | two voice lines | 10:53 |
| inte_ | two bills | 10:53 |
| inte_ | supported by nokia symbian devices | 10:53 |
| inte_ | but on the n900? | 10:54 |
| Macer | haha | 10:54 |
| Macer | andromeda is kind of funny now | 10:54 |
| inte_ | i would *really* need to know... thanks in advance! | 10:54 |
| Macer | when rebecca is the matriarch | 10:55 |
| *** inte_ changes topic to "Does the N900 support Alternate Line Service (ALS)?" | 10:56 | |
| pwnguin | wtf | 10:56 |
| pwnguin | no +t? | 10:56 |
| *** inte_ changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council" | 10:57 | |
| inte_ | http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Summit 09 -> http://tinyurl.com/maesum | | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | inte_: that was a bit rude | 10:57 |
| inte_ | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/N8x0, use Mer instead | 10:57 |
| inte_ | ups | 10:57 |
| inte_ | yeah sorry | 10:57 |
| inte_ | setting it back | 10:57 |
| inte_ | mom | 10:57 |
| *** inte_ changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Summit 09 -> http://tinyurl.com/maesum | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/N8x0, use Mer instead" | 10:58 | |
| inte_ | :-) | 10:58 |
| inte_ | well but still if anyone has an idea :-) | 10:58 |
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| mihu | Good morning. Currently I have three respositories activated in my N900: applications, updates and maemo extras. None of them includes the openssh-server. Does anybody know which repository has it? | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | you will have to activate extras-devel but keep in mind this is bleeding edge, even for applications you have already preinstalled | 11:08 |
| mihu | Stskeeps: That's ok with me. I need to login into that thing. :-) | 11:09 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:15 |
| rcs1000 | hello | 11:15 |
| rcs1000 | and indeed, goodbye, i'll be back... | 11:16 |
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| mihu | Stskeeps: I just see that dropbear-server is available as well. It does not seem to generate any private key after installation automatically. Do I really have to do it manually? | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | ah, i would get openssh-server instead | 11:19 |
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| mihu | Stskeeps: You are right. I thought it is much bigger but it's just ~710kB of openssh-client+server vs. ~200 kB of dropbear. Now it's working. | 11:24 |
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| Jaffa | OpenSSH server is in extras-testing | 11:25 |
| Jaffa | So, that's less bleeding edge than extras-devel | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:25 |
| timeless | @viee | 11:26 |
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| Stskeeps | vienna? | 11:26 |
| timeless | yes | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | you certainly get around in europe | 11:27 |
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| thux | spam probably :) http://www.teleca.fi/Home/career/jobs_and_opportunities/Nowrecruiting.aspx?utm_source=Google%20Sivusto&utm_medium=CPC&utm_campaign=Teleca%20Finland%20Oy%20Suomi&utm_content=Google%20Sivusto%20Valitut%20sivustot | 11:28 |
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| timeless | boarding to HEL | 11:35 |
| timeless | it's my connection for returning | 11:35 |
| Macer | trance is a total bitch towards the end of andromeda | 11:35 |
| timeless | low battery :) | 11:35 |
| adeus | prepare for some snow :) | 11:35 |
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| timeless | i'm wearing a winter jacket | 11:36 |
| Macer | don't say that | 11:36 |
| Macer | :) | 11:36 |
| Macer | snow sucks | 11:36 |
| timeless | i have on fluffy pants and my carry on has waterproof overpants | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: how bad is TB treating you so far? | 11:36 |
| Macer | when i was in the Marines i had to go to cold weather training and everybody told me that i am from chicago and should be used to it | 11:36 |
| Macer | and i told them they had a misunderstand of what people do during cold weather | 11:36 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: it's working | 11:37 |
| timeless | low battery :) | 11:37 |
| Macer | after patching the damn network manager :) | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:37 |
| Macer | the non-multi user thing kind of sucks | 11:37 |
| timeless | macer: wear layers | 11:37 |
| Macer | i was hoping that i'd be able to run gdm or something | 11:37 |
| Macer | timeless: no.. stay inside ;) | 11:37 |
| Macer | hahah | 11:37 |
| timeless | or stay indoors | 11:37 |
| Macer | warm the car up and run to it | 11:37 |
| * timeless nods | 11:37 | |
| Macer | the people from the southern states were all playing in the snow because they never saw the shit before | 11:38 |
| timeless | car warming ports are neat | 11:38 |
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| Macer | i told them they won't think it's so great later on :) | 11:38 |
| Macer | because i simply knew better | 11:38 |
| timeless | heh | 11:38 |
| timeless | how long did they leave you outside? | 11:38 |
| Macer | weeks | 11:39 |
| Macer | hahaha | 11:39 |
| Macer | it was worse than boot camp :) | 11:39 |
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| Macer | we were in bridgeport california.. just when i thought california didn't get cold.. wow was i wrong :) | 11:39 |
| timeless | heh | 11:39 |
| Macer | holy shit it was torture .. but i survived haha | 11:39 |
| timeless | Tahoe :) | 11:39 |
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| Macer | but we were stuck in the mountains for like 3 weeks outside | 11:40 |
| timeless | hikinh? | 11:40 |
| Macer | a Lt i was with said "We just have to get passed this hill." | 11:40 |
| timeless | ayup | 11:41 |
| Macer | and it was a fucking mountain | 11:41 |
| timeless | heh | 11:41 |
| Macer | on skis | 11:41 |
| Macer | with skids | 11:41 |
| timeless | skids? | 11:41 |
| Macer | and i have never used them before | 11:41 |
| Macer | timeless: used to go up | 11:41 |
| Macer | makes the skis stick | 11:41 |
| timeless | ah | 11:41 |
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| timeless | i've only done downhill once @tahoe | 11:41 |
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| adeus | they're climbing skins | 11:41 |
| timeless | i had friends back east who skiid | 11:42 |
| Macer | adeus: yeah.. transversing mountains sucks :) | 11:42 |
| timeless | .fi doesn't have moiuntains :) | 11:42 |
| Macer | we had to drink snow and shit | 11:42 |
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| Macer | the cold weather MREs were great tho :) | 11:43 |
| timeless | as long as it was white | 11:43 |
| timeless | city snow is black | 11:43 |
| Macer | it's more of a salted mush | 11:43 |
| Macer | hahah | 11:43 |
| mihu | Hm, another N900 related question: In the status bar at the top, there is the clock, battery fillfgrade and then Wifi status. Below the Wifi status, there are a 6 small squares, which can be white, grey or black. What do they represent? | 11:44 |
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| Stskeeps | within the area or outside it? | 11:45 |
| timeless | mihu, i don't think that's standard | 11:46 |
| mihu | Stskeeps: Within. They appeared after I used fmradio application. The app said it turned on bluetooth. But that is a different symbol and I could turn off bluetooth in the setup. | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | not sure | 11:46 |
| mihu | Stskeeps: Nowthe topmost left small square is blinking red. ;-) | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | ctrl-shift-p and publish screenshot? | 11:47 |
| SpeedEvil | It's gonna blow! Run! | 11:47 |
| Mek | it's not the load applet? (which would be unrelated to usingthe fmradio application...) | 11:48 |
| timeless | boarded | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | have a good flight timeless | 11:48 |
| timeless | thanks | 11:48 |
| timeless | safe journies all | 11:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Wave | 11:49 |
| timeless | sounds like the load applet | 11:49 |
| timeless | iirc it shows cpu and memory | 11:50 |
| Jaffa | WTF? https://garage.maemo.org/projects/pys60/ "Python for S60" on garage.maemo.org? | 11:50 |
| Macer | haha | 11:50 |
| timeless | jaffa: mentioned earlier | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: old | 11:50 |
| timeless | we kinda liked that | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | it's been there since a year or so | 11:50 |
| timeless | a sign that garage hosting works | 11:50 |
| mihu | Mek: You are the man. It's the load applet. Totally forgot that I installed it as well. *facepalm* | 11:51 |
| * Jaffa has looked at garage's front page for the first time in ages (registering new project) | 11:51 | |
| ccooke | how are people finding the n900's battery? | 11:52 |
| * RST38h moos evilly | 11:52 | |
| JamieBennett | ccooke: Terrible! | 11:52 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Wait until they putS60 MIDp framework there =) | 11:53 |
| JamieBennett | no more than 2-3 hours browsing with only the browser open. I can't go a full day without a charge and thats with pretty light usage | 11:53 |
| Macer | it's great seeing the physical losses by strung out actors | 11:53 |
| RST38h | Jamie: Known problem =) | 11:53 |
| Macer | season by season they are more and more jacked up :) | 11:54 |
| RST38h | BTW, where can I download powertop for fremantle? | 11:54 |
| Macer | or wrote out | 11:54 |
| Mek | RST38h: it was already installed on mine... | 11:54 |
| JamieBennett | RST38h: Is there a bug for this? | 11:54 |
| RST38h | Jamie: No, should there be? | 11:54 |
| ccooke | RST38h: that was my next question :-) | 11:54 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: It's built in (in 41-10, at least) | 11:54 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Ah really? =) | 11:54 |
| * RST38h goes to check it out | 11:54 | |
| Jaffa | RST38h: It's only on root's path, so "sudo gainroot", and just type "powertop" | 11:55 |
| JamieBennett | RST38h: Terrible battery should have a bug :) | 11:55 |
| RST38h | Nope, no powertop here | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: so did you end up on business class? | 11:55 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Understood. Thanks! | 11:55 |
| RST38h | Sts: Of course not, I was watching the KOffice presentation =) | 11:55 |
| ccooke | oh, thatms nice | 11:56 |
| RST38h | Sts: Pretty much decided what I will do on business part: will wait for Ovi store, then try to submit a free app there first | 11:56 |
| RST38h | Sts: If I can't, will scrap the Ovi store idea and just sell through a web site (if there are enough potential customers of course, else it stays free) | 11:57 |
| ensi | you guys familiar with the contact book api? it says that "roster contacts" are associated with master contacts. what does it mean? | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: oh, i was talking about your flight :P | 11:59 |
| RST38h | Sts: Ah, that one...No, it looked and felt exactly the same as the rest of the cabin + I have got a kid jumping all over his seat behind me | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:00 |
| RST38h | No idea what that note meant... | 12:00 |
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| Jaffa | ensi: Roster contacts are the contacts from an IM account | 12:05 |
| Jaffa | s/IM/VoIP and IM/ | 12:05 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: ensi: Roster contacts are the contacts from an VoIP and IM account | 12:05 |
| ensi | Jaffa: so they are attached to which master contact? | 12:06 |
| Jaffa | ensi: They appear inside the master contacts as separate entries unless they are "Merged" from the UI. | 12:08 |
| Jaffa | Once merged, they stay attched. | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | could someone upload gnutar to fremantle extras-devel? | 12:08 |
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| RST38h | zap: Thanks for the fixed Midnight Commander package =) | 12:10 |
| zap | RST38h: no problem :) | 12:10 |
| ensi | Jaffa: sorry for being daft.. say i have a a contact that i created "John Doe" with a phone number. where do these roster contacts come into play? | 12:10 |
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| tigert | your friend John Doe has a gmail account | 12:11 |
| tigert | and you add your gmail account to the device | 12:11 |
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| tigert | it pulls john.doe@gmail.com into addressbook if such a contact exists in googletalk | 12:11 |
| ensi | so "John Doe" is the master contact and "john.doe@gmail.com" would be the associated roster contact? | 12:12 |
| Jaffa | ensi: If you add your Gtalk account under "VoIP and IM accounts" you may have a "john.doe@gmail.com" record show up as a roster contact. I believe there is no automatic merging. They will have different fields between the two contacts (e.g. the first may be "First name", "Last name" and "Email"; the latter "Google Talk IM", "Google Talk Call" and "Nickname") | 12:13 |
| Jaffa | ensi: They'll show up separately in Contacts but then you can open either one and select "Merge with contact" | 12:14 |
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| ensi | hmm, ok so why do those roster contacts need to be associated with a master contact? The master contact in this case is a "temporary master contact" then? | 12:16 |
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| Jaffa | ensi: I don't know. | 12:19 |
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| Jaffa | ensi: I thought that "master contacts" was the merged view of Evolution contacts, SIM contacts and IM contacts. | 12:20 |
| zaheerm | guys, whoever was in the extending hildon desktop bof that told me about setting the rgba colormap | 12:20 |
| zaheerm | you are my hero for today | 12:20 |
| ensi | Jaffa: ok | 12:22 |
| ensi | Jaffa: thanks a bunch! | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, what was that UK company that subsisided the N900? | 12:23 |
| Jaffa | ensi: This is my understanding. I'm not an expert. Just been looking at the docs/#maesum talks as part of Hermes | 12:23 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: mobiles direct (IIRC) was the one who had T-Mobile & Vodafone pre-orders | 12:23 |
| ensi | Jaffa: well its certainly more than my understanding | 12:23 |
| ensi | Jaffa: one more question if you may? | 12:23 |
| ensi | well actually | 12:24 |
| ensi | never mind | 12:24 |
| ensi | thanks | 12:24 |
| zaheerm | for anyone that is in any doubt about the n900, i have now used it for 3 1/2 days as my primary phone and can't look back | 12:24 |
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| bilboed | zaheerm, I think you're preaching the converted here :) | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | never going back ;) | 12:28 |
| sulx | once you hack you cant go back | 12:28 |
| zaheerm | sulx, that is my biggest worry | 12:28 |
| JamieBennett | Must admit that I'm considering popping the sim from my n900 back into my iphone :( | 12:32 |
| sulx | ! | 12:32 |
| sulx | infidel | 12:33 |
| JamieBennett | Maybe I just have a bad battery or something but a phone that doesn't last a day with light usage is no good for me. | 12:34 |
| mihu | Anyone had success in playing H.264 streams on the N900? I tried samples from the Apple page, but they don't play. | 12:34 |
| mihu | For example http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/hd_gallery/gl1800/480p/bbc_earth_m480p.mov | 12:35 |
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| wazd | heya all | 12:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | JamieBennett, doesn't match my experience. | 12:40 |
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| RST38h | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/10/12oct09_arch5am.jpg | 12:41 |
| RST38h | heya wazd | 12:41 |
| JamieBennett | GeneralAntilles: Charged it overnight for the last 3 nights, light usage (2 or 3 short calls, 1 hour or so browsing, never leave apps open) and its dead by the evening. | 12:42 |
| RST38h | Jamie: What are you running on the tablet? | 12:42 |
| JamieBennett | Nothing normally. ^ | 12:42 |
| RST38h | Jamie: Is it connected to WiFi? | 12:43 |
| JamieBennett | RST38h: Only when browsing, no IM or anything like that and no email checking | 12:43 |
| JamieBennett | maybe its just a bad battery, haven't ruled that out until I see an output from powertop | 12:44 |
| RST38h | Jamie: is the WiFi icon constantly up? | 12:44 |
| sulx | JamieBennett: thats like iPhone then | 12:44 |
| JamieBennett | RST38h: no | 12:44 |
| JamieBennett | sulx: same use case on the iPhone (I have one too) I get 3 days or so | 12:44 |
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| RST38h | Jamie: What status bar and desktop applets are you running? | 12:47 |
| JamieBennett | RST38h: No applets apart from the location on that is always turned off. No status bar plugins | 12:47 |
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| zaheerm | JamieBennett, impressive you get 3 days on iphone | 12:48 |
| zaheerm | JamieBennett, my mum is a light user, she gets < 1 day | 12:48 |
| RST38h | Jamie: remove the location applet. check what happens afterwards. | 12:48 |
| JamieBennett | Seems strange as others aren't seeing it. I showed Jaffa my battery at the party with a couple of bars of charge, it was dead within an hour. | 12:49 |
| JamieBennett | zaheerm: As I said, light usage. | 12:49 |
| frals | you got the prototype with a hunger for power then ;-) | 12:49 |
| JamieBennett | :) | 12:49 |
| tigert | JamieBennett: rd mode? | 12:49 |
| RST38h | tigert: How do you switch into RD mode without reflashing? | 12:50 |
| JamieBennett | tigert: no RD mode. | 12:50 |
| tigert | ./flasher --disable-rd-mode | 12:50 |
| tigert | and -enable (to RST38h ) | 12:51 |
| zaheerm | tigert, were the devices in rd mode when nokia gave them to us on friday? | 12:51 |
| * JamieBennett needs powertop | 12:51 | |
| GeneralAntilles | We need firmware images so we can reflash. <_< | 12:51 |
| JamieBennett | zaheerm: If that is the case them maybe | 12:51 |
| * JamieBennett hasn't changed anything | 12:52 | |
| tigert | if you see green boot screen text | 12:52 |
| tigert | its rdmode | 12:52 |
| JamieBennett | tigert: in that case then no, its not in rdmode | 12:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | JamieBennett, isn't powertop bundled? | 12:52 |
| tigert | ok | 12:52 |
| JamieBennett | GeneralAntilles: no | 12:52 |
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| JamieBennett | not on this build | 12:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | JamieBennett, seems like this is in the recent scrollback. | 12:52 |
| tigert | because rd mode keeps serial console running which eats power | 12:52 |
| RST38h | HTC Leo Photos: http://mobile-review.com/pda/review/htc-hd2-firstlook.shtml | 12:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa: It's only on root's path, so "sudo gainroot", and just type "powertop" | 12:53 |
| tigert | plus maybe other stuff | 12:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | JamieBennett, you sure? | 12:53 |
| RST38h | tigert: Ah, ok =) | 12:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | WinMob. Who cares. | 12:53 |
| JamieBennett | ah, need gainroot first | 12:53 |
| tigert | you can set/remove rdmode without flashing the device contents | 12:53 |
| JamieBennett | got it | 12:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | rootsh | 12:54 |
| tigert | its just done with tlasher tool | 12:54 |
| JamieBennett | seems its mostly in the C3 state and nothing out of the ordinary is firing off | 12:55 |
| JamieBennett | mmm, need to look into it more | 12:55 |
| RST38h | General: What if it runs Android though? | 12:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, Android, WinMob, my apathy level is still about as high as it gets. | 12:56 |
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| RST38h | General: Ok. What if it runs Mer? | 12:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | goodluckwiththat | 12:57 |
| RST38h | Tell that to Stskeeps =) | 12:57 |
| GAN900 | What's the MSRP? | 12:57 |
| tigert | JamieBennett: I noticed that since the browser is so darn fun | 12:58 |
| tigert | I keep using it all the time when commuting | 12:58 |
| JamieBennett | :) | 12:58 |
| RST38h | Minimal Suggested Retail Price | 12:58 |
| RST38h | Or Manufacturer Suggested Retail price | 12:58 |
| tigert | now, compare that to my N95 which just mostly sat in my pocket idle | 12:58 |
| JamieBennett | tigert: N95 experience sucks (got one of them too) | 12:58 |
| zaheerm | tigert, totally, tho i used to use it on my e71 too | 12:58 |
| JamieBennett | (Internet experience) | 12:58 |
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| Ceron^ | putty is what i use mostly on my n900 | 12:59 |
| tigert | so I use this a LOT more than any previous "cellphone" | 12:59 |
| Ceron^ | lol | 12:59 |
| tigert | thus the drainage is much higher too | 12:59 |
| Ceron^ | loli meeen nokia e71 | 12:59 |
| tigert | Ceron^: openssh you mean? :) | 12:59 |
| frals | i use my n95 browsing when commuting.. but i assume the n900 is a tad better for that :p | 13:00 |
| * tigert wonders how much an openssh session takes | 13:00 | |
| tigert | and whether some keepalive config setting could make a difference? | 13:00 |
| Ceron^ | battery or kb? | 13:00 |
| tigert | battery-wise | 13:00 |
| tigert | kb-wise, I dont care (flatrate) | 13:00 |
| Ceron^ | il be using mail for exchange and ssh | 13:00 |
| Ceron^ | 24h/vd | 13:01 |
| Ceron^ | 7d | 13:01 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, um, yeah, I know what MSRP means . . . what's the number. . . . | 13:01 |
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| Ceron^ | gan at my company n900 msrp is 450 euros | 13:01 |
| GAN900 | lol | 13:02 |
| Ceron^ | without taxes | 13:02 |
| GAN900 | on the HTC Leo | 13:02 |
| Ceron^ | oh | 13:02 |
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| GAN900 | Why are the profiles settings so limited. . . . | 13:07 |
| GAN900 | I really don't need vibra on clock alarms or IM. | 13:07 |
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| samad | GAN900, r u there | 13:30 |
| samad | i have built the installation package using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 13:32 |
| samad | but i could not able to give input parameter | 13:33 |
| samad | mean step by step insrallarion | 13:33 |
| samad | or anybody there ? | 13:33 |
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| BogdanR | Hello | 13:39 |
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| BogdanR | I would like to remove the first two icons from the N810 interface (the "browsing" and the "contacts/email" ones) | 13:40 |
| BogdanR | From what I understand so for I don't think this can be done from the theme but since this is OpenSource I imamgine I could change the code of some component | 13:40 |
| BogdanR | Can anyone help me a little with this? | 13:41 |
| ensi | Jaffa:(or someone else) how do i get a full list of contacts? i can get a list of EBookContacts from e_book_get_contacts but I presume these are just EContact objects instead of more detailed OssoAbookContact objects. | 13:43 |
| BogdanR | Basically I want to might want remove the left part of the screen completely to maximise desktop area | 13:43 |
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| RST38h | Bogdanr: This is called full screen mode :) | 13:49 |
| BogdanR | I know but I want to increase the desktop area | 13:49 |
| RST38h | Can't do. Probably can remove the icons, can't increase the desktop size | 13:49 |
| BogdanR | Since it's possible to recompile stuff I guess that can be done | 13:50 |
| RST38h | Not everything is open sourced | 13:50 |
| BogdanR | problem is that I don't know which component is this | 13:50 |
| BogdanR | I know some drivers are not OpenSource | 13:51 |
| RST38h | And even if it were open sourced, I am not sure you are willing to make changes throughout the entire system just ot get extra 60 pixels | 13:51 |
| BogdanR | RST38h: well, this is what I am trying to investigate | 13:51 |
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| BogdanR | RST38h: what part handles the right part of the screen? | 13:52 |
| RST38h | Hildon Desktop | 13:52 |
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| BogdanR | Hildon Desktop seem to be handling almost everything | 13:53 |
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| tigert | well the left side contains the task switcher and other stuff | 13:54 |
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| tigert | what are you trying to achieve? | 13:55 |
| Shapeshifter | So, is the sdk supposed to run smoothly? It says with 3d accelleration "activated" - whatever that means, it should be fast. I'm on a GMA945, which does well for simple compositing, and I'm using compiz as the WM, which runs at 60fps. | 13:55 |
| RST38h | Shapeshifter: SDK is not even guaranteed to run your programs | 13:56 |
| RST38h | Shapeshift: So, the answer to your question is "no" | 13:56 |
| Shapeshifter | ah ok. | 13:57 |
| BogdanR | tigert: For starters I would like to get rid of the first two icons | 13:59 |
| BogdanR | tigert: I only need the menu with all the applications | 14:00 |
| jjo | I think intel display adapters had problems with some kernel versions | 14:00 |
| jjo | in ubuntu intel+jaunty is mainly bad where as intel+karmic seems pretty snappy | 14:00 |
| BogdanR | tigert: Step 2 would be to increase the desktop size with the zise covert by the left side of the UI | 14:01 |
| tigert | step1 might work if you remove the desktop menu plugin | 14:02 |
| tigert | I dont know the details | 14:02 |
| tigert | but you still get the panel on the left side | 14:02 |
| tigert | the whole UI is kinda expecting | 14:02 |
| tigert | it to be there | 14:03 |
| tigert | but _what_ are you trying to do? | 14:03 |
| RST38h | He is trying to get those pixels. | 14:04 |
| BogdanR | tigert: I am trying to modify the UI to make it more like I need it to be because some things don't make sense to me | 14:04 |
| RST38h | So, let us wait until he fails and comes back with a more specific goal =) | 14:04 |
| tigert | yeah, but _what_ are you trying to do? | 14:05 |
| BogdanR | tigert: I think I want to reclaim some part of the screen to the desktop so i need to know where is the code for that rigt part | 14:06 |
| zap | RST38h: btw, should I port bash to fremantle as well? mc works with bash much better than with ash | 14:12 |
| BogdanR | tigert: Is that part in the right called hildon-navigator ? | 14:12 |
| tigert | BogdanR: topright bar is statusbar if I remember correctly | 14:13 |
| tigert | left is task navigator or whatever | 14:13 |
| tigert | but its way much work trying to rip it off | 14:14 |
| tigert | what do you need the space for? | 14:14 |
| tigert | a home applet? | 14:14 |
| BogdanR | several applets | 14:14 |
| RST38h | zap: I guess so: it should not be too much of an effort and a lot of Linux gurus will thank you for that | 14:15 |
| RST38h | (/me is not one of them though :)) | 14:15 |
| zap | well, using mc without bash is very uncomfortable | 14:15 |
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| RST38h | I mostly use the mc UI, so have not noticed much so far... | 14:15 |
| RST38h | But that is highly user dependent, so cannot claim anything here | 14:16 |
| BogdanR | Also, I am SSH-ing into the N810 over wireless and it's painfuly unresponsive | 14:16 |
| BogdanR | Any ideea how I can make that behave decently? | 14:17 |
| BogdanR | the SSH server on the N810 is dropbear | 14:17 |
| suihkulokki | BogdanR: disable wifi power saving for your AP ? | 14:17 |
| BogdanR | suihkulokki: I'll try that | 14:18 |
| BogdanR | suihkulokki: How do I do that? | 14:20 |
| omcfadde | qwerty12_N810: you can move backwards. you need to tilt the device back a bit though. you can also change the angle with accel_angle | 14:20 |
| timeless | @hel | 14:21 |
| suihkulokki | BogdanR: something like control panel -> internet connections -> "pick your ap from the list" -> go next until there is "advanced" button -> select the power saving level | 14:22 |
| BogdanR | suihkulokki: Found it. Thatnks. This is way better | 14:25 |
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| * RST38h is filing a shitload of bug reports | 14:31 | |
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| frals | could someone with a n900 try and receive an mms and see what shows up in the ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db? | 14:36 |
| frals | eg if the sms control messages are there or not ;o | 14:36 |
| zaheerm | frals, you can send me an mms if you want, will provide my mobile number in PM | 14:36 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders how many phone-spammers read #maemo | 14:38 | |
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| zaheerm | frals, that file is binary, what should i look for | 14:40 |
| RST38h | General: here? | 14:41 |
| frals | if you have access to a desktop, transfer the file there and open it in a sqlitebrowser and see if there is some SMS's there that doesnt show up in the messaging app | 14:41 |
| RST38h | Anyway, people, please look at the bottom of this list: https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&email1=luarvique%40gmail.com&emailassigned_to1=1&emailreporter1=1&emailtype1=exact&field-1-0-0=bug_status&field-1-1-0=assigned_to&field-1-1-1=reporter&query_format=advanced&remaction=&type-1-0-0=anyexact&type-1-1-0=anyexact&type-1-1-1=anyexact&value-1-0-0=UNCONFIRMED%2CNEW%2CASSIGN | 14:42 |
| RST38h | And vote if you see familiar bugs | 14:42 |
| * timeless needs to teacj rst to shorten bugzilla query urls | 14:44 | |
| timeless | but only after i get my luggage | 14:44 |
| timeless | which decided it didn't want to come in the same way as me | 14:45 |
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| zaheerm | frals, nothing yet | 14:46 |
| zaheerm | frals, last entry was a jabber message that was sent...but hey that is a cool file to know about :) | 14:46 |
| frals | :) | 14:46 |
| frals | guess my carrier doesnt like sending MMS to yours as its still not deliviered, got it listed as "Pending" in my phone... just have to wait and see i guess ;) | 14:47 |
| aSIMULAter | good morning | 14:48 |
| aSIMULAter | i mean afternoon | 14:48 |
| aSIMULAter | or something | 14:48 |
| frals | man sending mms is cheap thou, only costs me 0.07€ per MMS even international :p | 14:49 |
| RST38h | Hello, asimula | 14:49 |
| aSIMULAter | hi thr | 14:49 |
| * RST38h wonders if he should file any Maps bugs | 14:54 | |
| RST38h | The desire to file the "scrap the whole thing" bug is too great there... | 14:54 |
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| tigert | ;))) | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: "Use Maemo Mapper instead of Ovi Maps" | 14:54 |
| RST38h | But let us exhale, go "constructive", and start with the long list... | 14:55 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: This is what Intel calls a "BKM" | 14:55 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Best Known Method :) | 14:55 |
| * timeless retrieves luggage | 14:55 | |
| timeless | rst38h: constructive bugs against ovi maps would be nice | 14:56 |
| timeless | it's much easier to justify scrapping something if we can point to volumes of polite high quality reports about distinct unfixed issues | 14:57 |
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| RST38h | It can probably be brought to reasonably useful state by 5-6 changes | 14:57 |
| Andy80 | hi all | 14:57 |
| RST38h | Not to say that it will become perfect, but at least it won't annoy the crap out of people | 14:57 |
| timeless | 1. move the current location indicator to the title area | 14:58 |
| RST38h | +1 | 14:58 |
| timeless | 2. redo zooming | 14:58 |
| RST38h | Ah, leave the damn zooming | 14:58 |
| RST38h | Start by making sense of this applications-within-Maps mess | 14:58 |
| * timeless chuckles | 14:58 | |
| RST38h | Make consistent UI with a generic application menu, instead of that switching thing | 14:58 |
| timeless | my translation calls them applets or components or something | 14:59 |
| RST38h | 3. Turn of search-as-you-type feature | 14:59 |
| timeless | 3 should be doable | 14:59 |
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| RST38h | If you believe it works, try it over GPRS | 14:59 |
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| pupnik | :P | 14:59 |
| timeless | i've been traveling in eastern europe for 3 weeks | 14:59 |
| timeless | it doesn't work | 14:59 |
| RST38h | heya pupnik | 14:59 |
| tigert | well, some timeouts before initiating search | 14:59 |
| pupnik | hi rst :) | 15:00 |
| timeless | tigert: xul has widgets for that :) | 15:00 |
| RST38h | pupnik == ArnimS? | 15:00 |
| timeless | most of the other bugs i c think of are server issues | 15:00 |
| RST38h | Ah, 4. Explain to people how to preload maps to the device | 15:01 |
| rikshot_ | is there some incompatibility with the final sdk and mac os x, nothing really works with the emulated device | 15:01 |
| RST38h | (use case: foreign country, insane roaming charges, no sane dataplan) | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | there's a X problem i think | 15:01 |
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| timeless | my assumption was the the standard nokia maps downloader app works | 15:02 |
| timeless | rst38h: again, i hit that while traveling | 15:02 |
| timeless | i had us maps in ukraine | 15:03 |
| RST38h | 5. optimize on-disk data storage so that it is not that slow | 15:03 |
| rikshot_ | i'm getting alot of these glib warnings for clutterx11 failing to get a ximage | 15:03 |
| zaheerm | frals, yah i have had a phonecall, sms and IM since and still nothing in that sqlite db | 15:03 |
| timeless | that didn't work well | 15:03 |
| frals | yeah guess my carrier hates your carrier :D | 15:03 |
| RST38h | (may want to cooperate with ab who needs the same kind of algorithms for image processing) | 15:03 |
| timeless | my hope is that their tile handling isn't completely broken | 15:04 |
| wazd | so, I guess now I can ask for theme screenshots without making fake passport and meeting somewhere in the Nevada? :D | 15:04 |
| timeless | the alg they use to download tiles is broken | 15:04 |
| timeless | wazd: i'll start posting stuff somewhere | 15:05 |
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| timeless | have you seen my shots? | 15:05 |
| wazd | timeless: nope | 15:05 |
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| RST38h | Can "Send wazd an N900 already" be filed as a bug? | 15:07 |
| timeless | so | 15:08 |
| wazd | RST38h: it's not a bug, it's a feature :D | 15:08 |
| timeless | there still aren't any real devices | 15:08 |
| timeless | as far as i know | 15:08 |
| RST38h | wazd: Well, it is quickly becoming a bug, because you are doing artwork for Maemo5 projects | 15:08 |
| timeless | once there are real sales boxes, it's much easier to manage | 15:08 |
| RST38h | And it is kinda fdifficult to do that without the real thing | 15:09 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, I've managed to run SDK :) | 15:09 |
| timeless | wazd: speaking of which, i need art :) | 15:09 |
| timeless | got a picture for me? :) | 15:09 |
| wazd | timeless: yeah, I'm looking for ready flag icons right now | 15:10 |
| pupnik | yes rst38h | 15:10 |
| timeless | thanks | 15:11 |
| wazd | timeless: http://mintywhite.com/customize/icons/free-world-flag-icon-packs-for-windows/ | 15:12 |
| wazd | timeless: I think these will be just fine | 15:13 |
| RST38h | pupnik: ! | 15:13 |
| * RST38h puts a face on pupnik | 15:13 | |
| * SpeedEvil imagines RST38h walking around with a big bag of cartoon masks. | 15:14 | |
| wazd | oh! | 15:14 |
| RST38h | Guy Fawkes masks indeed | 15:14 |
| wazd | I can download theme .deb with SDK and install it! :D | 15:14 |
| * frals takes a picture of pupnik and tries to MMS it ;-) | 15:14 | |
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| timeless | looking | 15:17 |
| wazd | damn, I'm a genius :D | 15:17 |
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| wazd | RST38h: can you send me latest .deb please? | 15:17 |
| tigert | wazd: it would be slightly weird if a deb didnt work in the SDK ;) | 15:18 |
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| timeless | http://img.mywindowspc.com/wg/0806/22worldflagicons/world-flags-north-america.jpg looks good | 15:18 |
| wazd | timeless: yep | 15:18 |
| wazd | timeless: and they're highres | 15:18 |
| RST38h | wazd: I do not have it here at work =( | 15:18 |
| timeless | the links don't work from microb | 15:19 |
| wazd | RST38h: ah, k :) | 15:20 |
| timeless | http://-kol.deviantart.com/art/North-America-Win-19256307 | 15:20 |
| timeless | Address Not Found | 15:20 |
| wazd | Damn, I always get segfault when using microb in sdk | 15:21 |
| RST38h | Anyone who does not like the current accelerometer API, please vote for this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5329 | 15:21 |
| Andy80 | very interesting question: how can I submit a bug about hardware design of N900 in bugs.maemo.org :P ? | 15:21 |
| wazd | Andy80: and the reply would be "FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!111" :D | 15:21 |
| RST38h | Andy80: I would go with Brainstorm | 15:21 |
| wazd | timeless: I can send you the archive to email | 15:22 |
| Andy80 | wazd: what? | 15:22 |
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| Andy80 | seriously... if I have some feedback about design of the product... where can I submit it to be sure it's read by them? | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | maemo.org? ;p | 15:23 |
| RST38h | Andy80: Have you been to the summit? | 15:23 |
| wazd | Andy80: do you really expect it to be fixed? | 15:23 |
| Andy80 | RST38h: yes, I was at the Summit, why? | 15:23 |
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| Andy80 | wazd: well.... at least in the next device :) | 15:24 |
| timeless | um | 15:24 |
| RST38h | Andy80: Your best chance was to talk to Nokia people there and bring as many of them as possible to your side | 15:24 |
| timeless | you have unreasonable expectations | 15:24 |
| wazd | Andy80: next device can be anything | 15:24 |
| RST38h | Andy80: Outside of this possibility, the next best choice seems to be Brainstorm | 15:24 |
| timeless | hardware feedback today is unlikely to influence any hypothetical devices that might be "next" | 15:24 |
| frals | out of curiousity, whats the feedback? :) | 15:24 |
| timeless | you probably mssed the boat by a year | 15:24 |
| RST38h | Andy80: And the third best choice will be bitching on t.m.o :) | 15:25 |
| SpeedEvil | As tehy are probably already largey designed. | 15:25 |
| Andy80 | ok... but I don't want some stupid things like "very hard to open battery cover" | 15:25 |
| wazd | timeless: http://s58.radikal.ru/i161/0910/02/c88928c3464d.png | 15:25 |
| * timeless chuckles | 15:25 | |
| RST38h | Andy80: What DO you want? | 15:25 |
| Andy80 | or something like "hole for the hand-cord on the wrong side" :P | 15:25 |
| RST38h | Actually, this reminds me... | 15:25 |
| timeless | yum | 15:25 |
| timeless | thanks | 15:25 |
| * RST38h files a bug for 180o and 270o rotation support | 15:26 | |
| wazd | timeless: nom-nom-nom :D | 15:26 |
| timeless | i don't suppose you could downsample for the correct sizes for ham/control panel? | 15:26 |
| wazd | timeless: tell me what are they | 15:26 |
| * timeless doesn't want to figure out that info :) | 15:27 | |
| Jaffa | ensi: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Generic_Platform_Components/Using_Address_Book_API | 15:27 |
| timeless | sorry, dunno,i bet others here do | 15:27 |
| Andy80 | the even better question is: do they really want real feedback/bugreports or not? | 15:27 |
| timeless | jaffa: what's the ham .deb icon size? | 15:27 |
| timeless | andy80: real software bugs, yes please | 15:27 |
| Andy80 | Jaffa: hi :) | 15:27 |
| Andy80 | timeless: bad UI or design is more than a bug for me ;) (not in general... but in some cases) | 15:28 |
| timeless | hardware reports are mostly going to duplicate feedback the maemo software team had nowhere to deliver when *we+ got the hardware | 15:28 |
| timeless | andy80: pastebin a sample report | 15:29 |
| timeless | i'll read it once i get to work | 15:29 |
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| timeless | but first it's vaguely snowing and i need to drag my bag home from the railway station | 15:30 |
| zaheerm | the back cover is a pain to open but better than not being able to change your battery ala iphone and its easier to open than a g1 | 15:30 |
| Andy80 | timeless: my hardware issues I'd like to submit have nothing related with software bugs | 15:30 |
| timeless | don't bother w/ hardware issues | 15:30 |
| andre__ | Andy80, publish them somewhere | 15:30 |
| timeless | we can't do anything | 15:30 |
| timeless | and as i said, we probably already complained | 15:30 |
| Jaffa | Andy80: hiya :) | 15:31 |
| timeless | but had no one to listen | 15:31 |
| zaheerm | any1 ported the google calendar eds plugin to maemo yet? | 15:32 |
| frals | timeless: lucky bastard to have snow already! | 15:32 |
| * timeless has yet to meet a hardware designer at nokia | 15:32 | |
| aSIMULAter | it's snowing :( :(:( | 15:32 |
| RST38h | raining here. | 15:33 |
| RST38h | better be snowing than raining. | 15:33 |
| frals | i want snow :< just windy and cold here really | 15:33 |
| aSIMULAter | you can have our snow | 15:33 |
| timeless | the precipitate downtown seems to be closer to rain | 15:33 |
| aSIMULAter | timeless u're back in helsinki? | 15:33 |
| timeless | but at the airport it was definitely snow | 15:33 |
| frals | sure, send it over to stockholm on the next ship ;) | 15:34 |
| timeless | on the finnair bus a min from the railway center | 15:34 |
| RST38h | yea, bring it on | 15:34 |
| aSIMULAter | i got sick in amsterdam | 15:34 |
| aSIMULAter | i couldn't go to work today cause i'm ill, sucks | 15:34 |
| timeless | :( | 15:34 |
| aSIMULAter | and for the nice information, i barfed about 30 mins ago and feel better | 15:34 |
| aSIMULAter | i wonder if it's all those sandwiches i ate at hte summit | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | i blame the blue drinks | 15:35 |
| timeless | heh | 15:35 |
| timeless | blue? | 15:35 |
| ensi | Jaffa: yeah i know that document but its not very comprehensive imho | 15:35 |
| andre__ | skype cocktails | 15:35 |
| timeless | /me has been unwell for over a month | 15:35 |
| Andy80 | aSIMULAter: food + taking cold at your stomach | 15:35 |
| * timeless sighs | 15:35 | |
| Jaffa | ensi: There are examples of getting all the contacts rather than just the main address book in there IIRC | 15:35 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Wasn't it windshield washing liquid? | 15:36 |
| Jaffa | ensi: However, for my purposes, I'm only interested in the main db | 15:36 |
| Jaffa | It was foul. | 15:36 |
| * Jaffa isn't usually a picky drinker, but couldn't finish it. | 15:36 | |
| timeless | anyway.. gotta hop off | 15:36 |
| frals | aSIMULAter: be glad its not the swine flu, it had me down for a week in bed :p | 15:36 |
| aSIMULAter | did they give you tamiflu for it? | 15:36 |
| RST38h | frals: Have you been to the summit? | 15:36 |
| frals | negative | 15:37 |
| RST38h | Eh... | 15:37 |
| RST38h | Would be fun otherwise =) | 15:37 |
| frals | hehe | 15:37 |
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| woilok | Hi | 15:41 |
| woilok | Which should I buy, the n810 or the n800? | 15:41 |
| sulx | n900 ;) | 15:41 |
| ensi | iphone | 15:41 |
| * ensi runs | 15:41 | |
| ensi | (; | 15:41 |
| woilok | too expensive lol | 15:41 |
| woilok | ensi - got an ipod touch, it sucks | 15:42 |
| woilok | don't want to bother with an iphone | 15:42 |
| sulx | N810 then...if you want gps+keyb | 15:42 |
| woilok | don't need gps | 15:42 |
| woilok | and I heard the keyboard isn't all that great | 15:42 |
| woilok | Can you change the keyboard on the n800? | 15:42 |
| woilok | Like to Japanes or Chinese? | 15:42 |
| sulx | no keyboard on N800...just virtual | 15:42 |
| woilok | Yes | 15:43 |
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| woilok | Can you change the virtual keyboard to an international language? | 15:43 |
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| crashanddie | o/ | 15:43 |
| RST38h | Buy yourself an HTC Leo =) | 15:43 |
| RST38h | Then suffer. | 15:43 |
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| crashanddie | Anyone else having issues synching gmail through ActiveSync? | 15:43 |
| kr1shnak | does anyone know if Nokia are going to put videos of the sessions of the summit online? | 15:43 |
| crashanddie | I can't get my GMail account to work via Exchange... and I want the contacts! | 15:43 |
| Andy80 | yes they're | 15:43 |
| aSIMULAter | anyoen who went to the summit..do you like the device? | 15:44 |
| kr1shnak | cool | 15:44 |
| RST38h | aSIMULAter: Yes. Was that a rhetorical question though? | 15:45 |
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| aSIMULAter | RST38h: u were at the summit? | 15:46 |
| aSIMULAter | hrm maybe i should lie down, staring at the screen is making me feel sick | 15:46 |
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| Stskeeps | grab the tablet? :P best thing for laying in bed while sick :P | 15:46 |
| RST38h | aSIMULAter: I was. | 15:46 |
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| * Jaffa checks tmo for the first time since Wednesday | 15:48 | |
| aSIMULAter | good idea sts, i could use irssi on xterminal and type when i'm puking | 15:48 |
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| aSIMULAter | staying connected all the time rules | 15:48 |
| aSIMULAter | i guess | 15:48 |
| woilok | ? | 15:50 |
| RST38h | aSIMULAter: you should use Mauku for that | 15:51 |
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| RST38h | Puking over IRC is soooo 90s... | 15:51 |
| aSIMULAter | to be honest i want to lay down and rest but | 15:51 |
| aSIMULAter | i have a kitty cat on my lap and | 15:52 |
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| gnuton | Hi | 15:53 |
| Jaffa | aSIMULAter: You shouldn't touch funny smelling things in Amsterdam. | 15:53 |
| aSIMULAter | actually you know what i suspect? | 15:54 |
| aSIMULAter | on friday i went to a really posh 175e per person dinner | 15:54 |
| aSIMULAter | and we had a sampler menu...8 courses | 15:54 |
| aSIMULAter | afterwards my friend's gf started to puke and had stomach problems the next day | 15:54 |
| aSIMULAter | same thing happened to my coworker who joined us | 15:54 |
| Jaffa | Oh dear | 15:54 |
| aSIMULAter | i was ok...but on saturday is tarted to feel ill | 15:54 |
| aSIMULAter | and now, i'm really sick...same with my friend who wasn't feeling any sypmtoms before | 15:55 |
| * Jaffa has had the dinner we had on Saturday described as "very expensive" at 20e per person... | 15:55 | |
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| Jaffa | aSIMULAter: Bugger. | 15:55 |
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| aSIMULAter | i'm contemplating writing an angry email right now to the restaurant | 15:55 |
| woilok | Where is a good place to get a n800 for a good price? | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, incredible that you have to pay 175e for food poisoning these days | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:55 |
| koala_man | aSIMULAter: don't do that, mail the health services | 15:55 |
| aSIMULAter | dutch health services? | 15:56 |
| RST38h | That has been no restaurant. It was karma. | 15:56 |
| Meizirkki | more thanks to http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=344130&postcount=15 :D | 15:56 |
| RST38h | Dropping e175 on a dinner should be really bad for karma, with gluttony being a sin etc =) | 15:56 |
| aSIMULAter | this restaurant has a 2 star michelin rating..now imagine, 4 people sick from their food | 15:56 |
| aSIMULAter | that'll be bad for their reputation | 15:57 |
| range | woilok: Probably depends on where you are. amazon.com knows a few sellers who still carry that. | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: yeah | 15:57 |
| woilok | range - Thanks | 15:57 |
| woilok | How does the n770 compare to the n800? | 15:58 |
| woilok | Much difference? | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | slow | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:58 |
| woilok | Ahhh | 15:58 |
| woilok | So even though I can get the n770 for $50 it's still good to spend $150 on an n800? | 15:58 |
| range | I'd think so. | 15:59 |
| woilok | OK. | 15:59 |
| range | It is much speedier than the 770, has more storage (64GB should be possible) ... | 15:59 |
| range | Will mer support the 770? :) | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | it does, but it's slow, and it won't do GL | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | afaik | 16:00 |
| glass__ | spend 200, get both, use the other as a photo display or permanently in wc | 16:01 |
| woilok | lol | 16:01 |
| woilok | Nice. | 16:01 |
| woilok | Is there anything specific I should look at, or ask, when buying a used n800/n770? | 16:01 |
| woilok | Other than "Does it work?" | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | woilok: i would avoid a 770 really | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | and get a n800 or n810 | 16:02 |
| glass__ | does it work, does the mmc slot(s) work | 16:02 |
| woilok | ok | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | make the guy turn it on | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | and show you the screen working | 16:02 |
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| range | Same for speakers and headphones. | 16:03 |
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| woilok | OK cool | 16:04 |
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| range | Watch out, the 800 has two SD slots. | 16:05 |
| range | Which both should work .) | 16:05 |
| woilok | Thanks Stskeeps, glass__, and range | 16:05 |
| range | : | 16:05 |
| woilok | yeah, one outside and one inside | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=344412&postcount=16 <- Multiboot for N900 patch committed | 16:07 |
| woilok | Is the n900 really worth the $$$$$$? | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | yes. loving it. | 16:07 |
| woilok | Damn | 16:08 |
| woilok | How much did you pay Stskeeps? | 16:08 |
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| Stskeeps | woilok: went to Maemo Summit and got one for free for 6 months loan :P | 16:09 |
| woilok | WHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAT? | 16:10 |
| woilok | Damn | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | like the rest 300 participants | 16:10 |
| woilok | Geez | 16:10 |
| woilok | Are you going to buy it after the loan? | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | definately. | 16:11 |
| range | And everybody else is silently swearing at Nokia to ship it already. | 16:11 |
| frals | ^^ | 16:11 |
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| frals | i need one so i can start breaking it apart to fix MMS :D | 16:12 |
| range | My 800 is broken, my phone is falling apart so I do need something new :) | 16:12 |
| woilok | range - get an n770 | 16:12 |
| woilok | It's cheap | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | but not a phone | 16:12 |
| range | No. Too slow. Not going back there. | 16:12 |
| aSIMULAter | buy an iphone i heard they're super awesome and trendy | 16:13 |
| woilok | lol | 16:13 |
| range | aSIMULAter: Yeah, but do those have singletouch resistive screens? | 16:13 |
| range | if not: Dealbreaker! | 16:13 |
| woilok | Can you PM people at maemo? | 16:15 |
| wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pee3nT4bPw4&feature=player_embedded | 16:15 |
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| wazd | dude! | 16:16 |
| woilok | I want to ask some sellers some private questions but I don't see a private message field thingy | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | talk.maemo or? | 16:16 |
| wazd | flash 10 on n900! | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: old | 16:16 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: whatever :D | 16:16 |
| woilok | yeah | 16:16 |
| woilok | talk.maemo | 16:16 |
| woilok | I signed up today | 16:16 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | omcfadde: Yep, thanks. I didn't realise it was using the accelerometers until I stood upright to play... | 16:16 |
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| RST38h | heya qwerty | 16:18 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Moo, RST38h. I'm envious of the firmware version your N900 has... :p | 16:18 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Well it is still the same older device though | 16:19 |
| crashanddie | maybe I'm seriously stupid | 16:19 |
| crashanddie | But did T-Mobile just go nuts? http://slexy.org/view/s26YsN0BQc | 16:19 |
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| woilok | Do I have to wait or post something in order to send private messages on talk.maemo.org? | 16:20 |
| RST38h | qwerty: the new version appears not to have mce hangups | 16:20 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: Good. :) I still maintain out of all the firmwares I've tried, 38-16 was the most stable :) | 16:21 |
| woilok | Anyone selling an n810 or n800? | 16:21 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N900: published bootmenu stuff btw | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | well, or announced it and pointed to a patch to SVN | 16:21 |
| qwerty12_N900 | On Talk? | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=344412&postcount=16 | 16:22 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | Thanks, looking... | 16:22 |
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| Stskeeps | not 100% final but it is really easy to work with | 16:23 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Something bad is happening with XChat | 16:24 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Both your and Marius' versions now report Python missing on startup and no longer show the user list for the channel | 16:24 |
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| crashanddie | anyway, who thinks he found the perfect data plan for the n900? | 16:25 |
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| crashanddie | voip, no limited unlimited, and under a tenner a month? | 16:25 |
| qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: Python missing is nothing (just install python2.5 if you want the support) but user list shows fine here :/ | 16:25 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Looks like these problems are somehow related | 16:26 |
| * RST38h will purge the package and reinstall | 16:26 | |
| crashanddie | woilok: yup | 16:26 |
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| woilok | . | 16:26 |
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| crashanddie | woilok: I have an n810 I might want to get rid off | 16:26 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | rst38h: /usr/lib/xchat/plugins/python* is the python stuff, if you wish to delete it and see if it changes anything | 16:27 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Simply kill off the plugins? In a moment, sir... | 16:28 |
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| spencer_ | got a question on the linker with scratchbox... I was not able to link different library on the ar step.. anyone know how do i configure that? | 16:30 |
| RST38h | qwerty: user list does not show up still. Also, going to settings, changing the use rlist location, then OKing the settings crashes XChat | 16:31 |
| RST38h | qwerty: this is with your package. Will be purging and reinstalling in a moment | 16:31 |
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| qwerty12 | RST38h: The User list does show up for me, but you are right about the crashing. Will look into that, thanks! | 16:37 |
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| andre__ | timeless, did you create the maemo.gitorious.com component in bugzilla? | 16:38 |
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| clmntch_ | hello | 16:41 |
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| clmntch | does anybody know if the 21Mbit/s HSPA+ be a hw limitation or sw limitation? | 16:50 |
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| spencer_ | got a question on the linker with scratchbox... I was not able to link different library on the ar step.. anyone know how do i configure that? | 16:52 |
| woglinde | clmntch which umts network yet hast 21Mbit/s HSPA+? | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | clmntch: how about a protocol limitation? | 16:53 |
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| clmntch | i would assume protocol would be some kernel level driver, which i would place in the software category | 16:55 |
| clmntch | woglinde: i read some where that t-mobile usa might possible support that in the somewhat near distant future | 16:55 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: see the mailing list for firmware | 16:56 |
| crashanddie | clmntch: no, I'm talking about a "bandwidth" limitation which comes from neither Software or Hardware. The truth is the theoretical limit of HSPA+ has never been obtained, hence the "theoretical" name | 16:56 |
| clmntch | oh | 16:56 |
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| clmntch | spencer_: ar is a archiver... it just bundles a bunch of .o files... | 16:58 |
| clmntch | spencer_: you want to link the other libs when you link yer .a to the code with main | 16:58 |
| SpeedEvil | However, if your program infringes intellectual property, you can't use ar, but need to use yarr. | 16:58 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: Thanks | 16:59 |
| crashanddie | unless you play golf on saturdays, in which case you need to use par | 16:59 |
| crashanddie | also, if you are a tree-hugger and cycle to work, the command is named car | 17:00 |
| crashanddie | and if you're a bad comedian, it's carr | 17:00 |
| zerojay | I love how Talk is becoming 5 guys fighting each other to make icons and graphics for apps thinking it'll get them an N900. | 17:00 |
| spencer_ | clmntch, during my make, ar is complaining on cannot find all the -l arguments when it's making the .a file... how to i fix that then? is it because i don't have a bin make yet?? | 17:00 |
| crashanddie | spencer_: how is a program supposed to use files that don't exist? | 17:01 |
| spencer_ | crashhanddie, if you mess something up, you better go far. | 17:01 |
| clmntch | i think -l does soemthing different for ar | 17:01 |
| crashanddie | spencer_: tab is king | 17:01 |
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| RST38h | Anyone can suggest where to file the bug about a media player applet? | 17:05 |
| RST38h | It is not in Desktop Widgets section | 17:05 |
| woglinde | rst make a new section? | 17:06 |
| woglinde | lets x-fade create one? | 17:06 |
| woglinde | or jeremiah? | 17:06 |
| RST38h | I am filing it to Media Player. | 17:06 |
| RST38h | These guys can figure it out later | 17:06 |
| woglinde | so why you ask then? | 17:06 |
| woglinde | *g* | 17:06 |
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| RST38h | woglinde: I thought someone may have a brighter idea. | 17:09 |
| zerojay | RST38h: Are you on 41-10? | 17:10 |
| RST38h | Yes. | 17:10 |
| zerojay | Ok then. | 17:10 |
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| jjrv | Hi, I'm mostly guilty for ForecaWeather | 17:16 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo and welcome | 17:16 |
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| * qwerty12 imagines wazd with an AK-47 in his hands | 17:17 | |
| javispedro | moo | 17:17 |
| qwerty12 | Baa | 17:17 |
| javispedro | hey, that is my trademark salute. | 17:17 |
| wazd | qwerty12: why so?) | 17:18 |
| RST38h | heya javis | 17:18 |
| javispedro | hi RST38h | 17:18 |
| javispedro | glad to see things going back to normal | 17:18 |
| qwerty12 | wazd: OMWeather wars, of course! | 17:18 |
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| RST38h | At Foreca HQ? | 17:18 |
| omcfadde | jjrv: I've found that to be a useful widget, but one thing I've noticed is the update time could be a bit more configurable | 17:19 |
| jjrv | more or less time or finer tuning? | 17:19 |
| omcfadde | well, I'd like to have 30min updates for example | 17:20 |
| wazd | qwerty12: competition is the key to developing :) | 17:20 |
| omcfadde | 1h is a bit long when the whether is changing quite often (eg Helsinki in Autumn) | 17:20 |
| jjrv | omcfadde, hmm that could be done | 17:20 |
| qwerty12 | wazd: You say that, publically, but I can still see that AK-47 behind you :p | 17:21 |
| omcfadde | ideally I think it would be good to have something like how you set the time for an alarm (the hours/mins scrollable lists) | 17:21 |
| woglinde | qwerty ak-47 manufactor is bankruppt | 17:21 |
| jjrv | omcfadde, however only the current conditions might change | 17:21 |
| cosmo | jjrv: where does fw download the actual weather data? metar of some foreca proprietary stuff? | 17:21 |
| qwerty12 | woglinde: Damn, that sucks. But, hey, it's not like they can't be bought second-hand :p | 17:22 |
| jjrv | cosmo, we're using bunches of sources, eg. many country governments | 17:22 |
| omcfadde | jjrv: right. I wouldn't expect the forecast to be changing all the time | 17:22 |
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| jjrv | cosmo, that's why we can't put up a wide open feed :/ | 17:23 |
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| RST38h | To all happy N900 users: Anyone knows if you can get GPS lock without network connection? | 17:24 |
| crashanddie | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5335 | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | wb orbarron | 17:24 |
| cosmo | jjrv: i'd like to see some super-detailed mode with for example more detailed wind forecasts | 17:24 |
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| orbarron | yo Stskeeps how was it? | 17:25 |
| cosmo | useful for pilots, sailors, etc who require more than average wx data | 17:25 |
| jjrv | cosmo, currently there's the website link button at least but the browser opens a little slowly maybe | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | orbarron: was great - met with Ameet and was surprised by the OMAP2 GLES announcement :) | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | (he had his talk right after mine) | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | so i understand a little better how your port fits in things now | 17:26 |
| cosmo | jjrv: radar animations would also be a really nice addition | 17:26 |
| woglinde | stskeep hm where is the omap2 gless announcement? | 17:26 |
| cosmo | i've got access to ilmailulaitos weather portal, but it's a bit slow to use | 17:26 |
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| Stskeeps | woglinde: was announced at the TI/Omapzoom2 talk at summit | 17:27 |
| orbarron | IC | 17:27 |
| woglinde | cool | 17:27 |
| woglinde | stskeep but no inet pressrelease? | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | woglinde: i guess it makes more sense once there's something to dl, but dunno | 17:27 |
| cosmo | radar animations (in Finland at least) are not "public" data afaik | 17:27 |
| orbarron | yo woglinde | 17:27 |
| jjrv | cosmo, that's true | 17:28 |
| SpeedEvil | yr.no is awesome. | 17:28 |
| SpeedEvil | And has data lots wider than norway | 17:28 |
| zerojay | GAN900, GeneralAntilles: ping? | 17:29 |
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| RST38h | ALL: Please, look at the fresh bug trackers at the bottom of https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?email1=luarvique%40gmail.com&emailtype1=exact&emailreporter1=1 and vote as you consider fit | 17:31 |
| RST38h | These are all filed for Fremantle | 17:31 |
| jjrv | cosmo, the situation in europe is such that government data comes at a price, you notice this easily with maps etc. | 17:33 |
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| cosmo | jjrv: yep.. it's a bit silly as they are paid for by taxes | 17:34 |
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| jjrv | cosmo, agreed | 17:34 |
| frals | yr.no got radar maps for free, but you might not be talking about radar weather maps anymore | 17:34 |
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| cosmo | we're talking licensing.. there are a lot of free websites with weather maps, but you just can't steal them | 17:36 |
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| frals | roger, my bad | 17:36 |
| cosmo | finland's got one of world's most detailed terrain map databases, but it costs big $$$ to get | 17:38 |
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| cosmo | so it can't be used for example in free flight simulators | 17:39 |
| RST38h | as long as you only fly over .FI of course? | 17:39 |
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| cosmo | the raw data is available only for purchase | 17:40 |
| * jaska uses the map to plot bombing run on genimap | 17:40 | |
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| cosmo | i've had to use some old nasa's shuttle mission images with crappy resolution | 17:41 |
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| zerojay | Anyone here awake that are on the Fremantle stars mailing list? | 17:41 |
| qwerty12 | zerojay: Yep, just flashed | 17:41 |
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| zerojay | qwerty12: My key's at work and I'm off work today. Think you can up both emmc and the new image somewhere for me? | 17:41 |
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| Stskeeps | http://maemoteam.wordpress.com/2009/10/12/amsterdam-flash-marathon/ <- oh dear | 17:47 |
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| qwerty12 | I want the flash-jig. I have the cracked Phoenix to go with it... | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | sure it does anything that flasher can't do? | 17:48 |
| suihkulokki | RST38h: interesting amounf of xterm bugs there, clearly must be the most important app for the device :P | 17:48 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12: do you use exchange with gmail? | 17:48 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I gave a whole exchange of screenshots showing that it can do | 17:49 |
| zerojay | crashanddie: I do. | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: hmm, true | 17:49 |
| crashanddie | zerojay: and it works? | 17:49 |
| qwerty12 | All of which you will never see in flasher-3.0 | 17:49 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie: nope | 17:49 |
| zerojay | crashanddie: Aside from email, yes. | 17:49 |
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| crashanddie | zerojay: oh, so email doens't work "on purpose"? | 17:49 |
| wazd | qwerty12: well, we have some questions to Foreca but they are not bout their widget and pretty senseless now :) | 17:49 |
| wazd | qwerty12: so we better focus on our stuff | 17:50 |
| zerojay | crashanddie: It doesn't work because of something fucked on Google's end... not on purpose. | 17:50 |
| RST38h | suihkulokki: But of course :) | 17:50 |
| crashanddie | zerojay: you sure it's google's end? | 17:50 |
| zerojay | crashanddie: Not 100%, but I'm 100% sure it's not something done on Nokia's end on purpose. | 17:50 |
| RST38h | suihkulokki: [seriously though, it has been gutted even in comparison to Maemo4 version, that is why] | 17:50 |
| suihkulokki | crashanddie: I heard reports it worked last week and this week it doesn't (people not using maemo on it tho) | 17:50 |
| RST38h | zerojay: Yes, what do you want? | 17:51 |
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| zerojay | RST38h: Latest flash image already decrypted if you don't mind. | 17:51 |
| zerojay | RST38h: eMMC too, if possible. | 17:52 |
| RST38h | zerojay: Not from work, sorry | 17:52 |
| RST38h | zerojay: I can download it alright, but can't decrypt it here | 17:52 |
| zerojay | Ironically, that's my problem right now. I'm not at work, so I can't decrypt it. | 17:52 |
| crashanddie | suihkulokki: so it's not n900 centric? | 17:52 |
| * RST38h laughes diabolically | 17:52 | |
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| Jaffa | qwerty12: "Phoenix"? Screenshots? | 17:55 |
| suihkulokki | crashanddie: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=6194ec41195d1453&hl=en | 17:55 |
| qwerty12 | Jaffa: http://i32.tinypic.com/2ry69zc.jpg http://i27.tinypic.com/4rwynb.jpg http://i28.tinypic.com/nmlweg.jpg | 17:56 |
| qwerty12 | Jaffa: Newer versions (quite a few months back, IIRC) support the N900 | 17:56 |
| RST38h | qwerty,Jaffa: This is Nokia's internal flashing app, regularly leaked to the Net | 17:56 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12: RST38h: ta | 17:56 |
| RST38h | usually used to unlock/update/hack phone firmware | 17:57 |
| WormFood | is nokia dropping the n8x0 line? | 18:03 |
| WormFood | the n900 looks nice, but it is fuckin' expensive! | 18:04 |
| RST38h | How fucking? | 18:05 |
| wazd | RST38h: fuckin' A :D | 18:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Depending on local rates, 1-100. | 18:05 |
| luke-jr | WormFood: Nokia dropped the N8x0 line a long time ago | 18:06 |
| WormFood | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/N8x0, use Mer instead <-- I haven't updated my N800 in quite a while...last time I was here, there were far fewer users here....what is this "Mer", and where do I get it? | 18:07 |
| javispedro | ~Mer | 18:08 |
| infobot | somebody said mer was http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer | 18:08 |
| WormFood | I thought the new 810 wimax or whatever was released not too long ago | 18:08 |
| RST38h | javis: Short note | 18:08 |
| javispedro | *opens notepad* | 18:09 |
| Disconnect | WormFood: wasn't released not logn ago, it was discontinued not long ago :/ | 18:09 |
| WormFood | that is sad | 18:10 |
| SpeedEvil | nokia.co.uk certainly has no n800 devices | 18:10 |
| WormFood | what do people use for a cheap handheld computer now? | 18:10 |
| WormFood | it feels like just the other day I bought my n800 new...it was almost 2 years ago tho | 18:10 |
| Disconnect | g1 or netbooks depending | 18:10 |
| javispedro | I use the n810. | 18:10 |
| RST38h | javis: will have to wait, sorry =) | 18:10 |
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| * qwerty12 uses a Gameboy Color | 18:10 | |
| WormFood | I don't use my n800 a lot, but when I do, it is very handy...I use it mostly for voip, which is the real reason I bought it in the first place. | 18:11 |
| javispedro | I see no real need for updated software so far.... | 18:11 |
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| zerojay | WormFood: If it's still useful to you, it doesn't matter if it's discontinued. | 18:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure it does. | 18:14 |
| WormFood | oh yeah! I agree 100% | 18:14 |
| SpeedEvil | No easy replacement. | 18:14 |
| zerojay | SpeedEvil: Why would you need to replace it if it's still useful to you? | 18:14 |
| WormFood | for my voip needs, I can just use my N85 phone | 18:14 |
| WormFood | but, I do really like the n800....my girlfriend uses it to call usa on voip, and still leaves my phone open for normal phone use | 18:14 |
| zerojay | I used my N800 the same way for a long time. | 18:15 |
| SpeedEvil | zerojay: Dropped in toilet. | 18:16 |
| SpeedEvil | zerojay: carried off by owls. | 18:16 |
| javispedro | ebay to the rescue. | 18:16 |
| zerojay | SpeedEvil: In which cases, it's no longer useful to you, is it? | 18:16 |
| javispedro | at lot of people are selling their n810's like if there's no tomorrow. | 18:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I wonder why they might be doing that :) | 18:16 |
| javispedro | the price is not doing going down tho. I actually bought cheaper. | 18:17 |
| WormFood | what was the list price of the N810? | 18:17 |
| zerojay | Originally? | 18:17 |
| WormFood | I want to say my N800 cost me about $140-150 | 18:17 |
| zerojay | I think something like $450. | 18:17 |
| javispedro | dunno. new n810 from nokia costed like €300 last december. | 18:18 |
| WormFood | I think I bought mine in January of last year | 18:18 |
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| WormFood | one of my friends wrote the most popular ebook reader for the nokia cell phoned, used in China, and nokia tried to send them a N810, and it was rejected by china customs, twice. | 18:19 |
| WormFood | cell phoneS* | 18:19 |
| WormFood | now I think it would go through customs | 18:20 |
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| WormFood | I bought a chinese E71 phone...now wifi, no 3G, no front camera....same fuckin' price as if it had all that stuff....so I went to HK and bought the HK model of the E71, with all the features at the same price | 18:21 |
| luke-jr | WormFood: OpenPandora might ship someday | 18:21 |
| WormFood | china wanted to develop their own wifi, but now they decided not to | 18:21 |
| WormFood | what is that? | 18:21 |
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| WormFood | I'm really out of touch with the developments on the N8x0 series | 18:22 |
| luke-jr | http://openpandora.org/ | 18:22 |
| WormFood | ooohhh...that looks nice....price? | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | imaginary. | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: heard the GLES announcement? even if you don't like lib blobs | 18:23 |
| luke-jr | WormFood: $330 | 18:23 |
| WormFood | usd? | 18:23 |
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| luke-jr | I think so | 18:24 |
| luke-jr | WormFood: might also consider the new Zaurus, if it's not too large for you | 18:25 |
| WormFood | new zaurus? haven't heard about that...I have a SL-5500 (zaurus) back "home" in usa | 18:26 |
| WormFood | do you have a url handy? | 18:26 |
| WormFood | it isn't for me, a friend was asking about it | 18:26 |
| luke-jr | http://www.sharp-world.com/corporate/news/090827.html | 18:27 |
| WormFood | linux based? | 18:28 |
| WormFood | I remember the older japanese zarus-lookalikes were not linux | 18:28 |
| WormFood | oh yeah, I see now...linux | 18:28 |
| luke-jr | Installed OS*6 Linux/Ubuntu*7 9.04 (Smartbook Remix for ARM-based systems, Sharp customized version) | 18:28 |
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| WormFood | i wonder what the price will be on them | 18:29 |
| luke-jr | reviews say kb sucks :( | 18:30 |
| javispedro | lol. Instead of GNU/Linux, Linux/Ubuntu. Stallman must be crying right now :) | 18:30 |
| luke-jr | realistically, neither GNU nor Linux should be in the title | 18:30 |
| WormFood | jesus must be spinning in his grave | 18:30 |
| luke-jr | just Ubuntu, etc | 18:30 |
| woglinde | hm at least no atom | 18:31 |
| WormFood | right | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | "Linux/Ubuntu" is funny, but I never refer to Linux as GNU/Linux | 18:31 |
| luke-jr | qwerty12: me either, but I don't refer to GNU as Linux either | 18:31 |
| woglinde | but the bught adobe plugin like nokia | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | Yep | 18:31 |
| luke-jr | Linux is merely a kernel | 18:31 |
| woglinde | javispedro no there no free software | 18:32 |
| woglinde | so you cannt call it GNU/Linux | 18:32 |
| woglinde | haha | 18:32 |
| Shapeshifter | is there a variable that can be used when coding for maemo in C that describes the path to the icon dir? or do I need to hardcode the dir? | 18:32 |
| woglinde | what the hack is this? Optical pointer (optical pointing device) | 18:33 |
| * luke-jr wonders why SIM wasn't just piggybacked on SDIO so it could be compatible with SDIO things | 18:33 | |
| woglinde | this means you can use your laser pointer on the touchscreen or what? | 18:33 |
| SpeedEvil | woglinde: It might refer to a optical mouse upside-down | 18:34 |
| SpeedEvil | woglinde: which you rub your finger over | 18:34 |
| murrayc | Shapeshifter: I think I do more or less the right thing here: https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemoexamples/trunk/hildon-status-menu-widget-example/ | 18:34 |
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| woglinde | speedevil a optical trackball? | 18:35 |
| woglinde | intressting | 18:35 |
| murrayc | Shapeshifter: I generally get it from the build system and cause it to be #defined. | 18:35 |
| woglinde | hi ph5 | 18:35 |
| SpeedEvil | woglinde: basically, yes. | 18:35 |
| pH5 | hi | 18:35 |
| zaheerm | murrayc, re: your comment on my blog, i got pointed to some widget examples here last week too | 18:35 |
| Shapeshifter | murrayc: thanks. | 18:36 |
| SpeedEvil | woglinde: no moving parts, $1, and if you do it right, you get a free light sensor too | 18:36 |
| murrayc | Shapeshifter: ACtually, that's not what I thought it was. I'll look again. | 18:36 |
| murrayc | zaheerm: Nokia had other people working on examples too. It's a bit fragmented. | 18:37 |
| murrayc | Shapeshifter: This is my one: https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemoexamples/trunk/example_status_applet/ | 18:37 |
| murrayc | Shapeshifter: https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemoexamples/trunk/example_status_applet/Makefile.am | 18:37 |
| zaheerm | murrayc, also thx for the tshitrt, it's got a lovely pattern i'm wearing it today! | 18:37 |
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| murrayc | zaheerm: Flickr/blog/facebook yourself in it repeatedly, please. | 18:38 |
| murrayc | zaheerm: Sorry we didn't have any more 2009 1/2 ones. | 18:38 |
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| zaheerm | murrayc, 1/2? | 18:38 |
| murrayc | zaheerm: We did extra ones this year. They were particularly nice, because I didn't design them. | 18:39 |
| WormFood | thanks for the conversation and info (especially luke-jr)...I gotta do some work before I take my shower and go to bed...I'll see ya'll l8r | 18:39 |
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| zaheerm | murrayc, i was quite chuffed you managed to get me one in the end! so hey don't apologise at all! | 18:40 |
| murrayc | We care. | 18:40 |
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| zaheerm | murrayc, well and truly flickr'ed | 18:43 |
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| murrayc | zaheerm: Your gravity is strange. | 18:46 |
| zaheerm | murrayc, i am on the same earth :) | 18:47 |
| zaheerm | but firefox crashes when i rotate image :) | 18:48 |
| zaheerm | maybe i should do it in microb | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | javispedro: I knew you were evil... 60 days? I bet you've tried. ;P | 18:49 |
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| javispedro | qwerty12: not with n810 tho :) | 18:50 |
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| qwerty12 | OK, that makes you slightly less evil :p | 18:50 |
| javispedro | glad to hear that :) | 18:51 |
| javispedro | actually, it's more than 60 days and it's not wm but rather CE, but I'll leave the post as is for comedic pleasure. | 18:52 |
| zaheerm | murrayc, ok so firefox on fedora segfaults, microb on n900 rotated it fine...maybe i should switch my default browser | 18:52 |
| murrayc | Technology is rubbish. | 18:52 |
| zaheerm | yah sucks | 18:54 |
| zaheerm | especially stuff i write ;) | 18:54 |
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| zerojay | http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/10/11/major-bug-in-snow-leopard-deletes-all-user-data | 19:01 |
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| wazd | full veptu replica for hundred bucks :) | 19:02 |
| javispedro | zerojay: who needs user data? porn mode is the new system global standard. | 19:02 |
| zerojay | lol | 19:02 |
| zerojay | Just a warning for our Mac using friends. | 19:03 |
| luke-jr | zerojay: not the first time | 19:05 |
| qwerty12 | Heigh-Ho, Heigh-Ho, it's off to extras-devel we go | 19:05 |
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| crashanddie | qwerty12 returns to childhood | 19:08 |
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| hcarrega | zerojay: lol | 19:09 |
| hcarrega | i dont have guest account | 19:09 |
| hcarrega | :) | 19:09 |
| crashanddie | javispedro: who needs user data when all the porn in the world is available in streaming! | 19:10 |
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| penguinbait | I think he returned to neverland | 19:10 |
| javispedro | touché. | 19:10 |
| javispedro | neverland, the land where your packages will never be promoted. | 19:10 |
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| penguinbait | no the place where little bots need to hide their package | 19:11 |
| penguinbait | neverland | 19:11 |
| zerojay | luke-jr: Definitely not. | 19:11 |
| penguinbait | boys | 19:11 |
| qwerty12 | only if $user = javispedro | 19:11 |
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| javispedro | :( | 19:13 |
| crashanddie | If you require more information, please write to us at 667, Eternity Lane, D34 TH, UK | 19:13 |
| * qwerty12 lives at 666 | 19:13 | |
| javispedro | btw, did the qa queue start moving again now that there are 300 extra testers? | 19:14 |
| javispedro | <stupid>300, like that movie!</stupid> | 19:14 |
| zerojay | I doubt very many of them are doing any rating, honestly. | 19:14 |
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| zerojay | At least I'm not noticing a bunch more votes. | 19:15 |
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| javispedro | Spartan King Quim Gil and 300 maemians fight to the last man against Persian "God-King" Steve Jobs and his army of more than one million apps. | 19:17 |
| zerojay | THIS... IS... MAEMO! | 19:19 |
| Mousey | ^_^ | 19:19 |
| zerojay | Take that, shitty fart apps. | 19:20 |
| * zerojay stabs. | 19:20 | |
| * zerojay gingerly runs around his own apps. | 19:20 | |
| frals | lol | 19:20 |
| orbarron | lol | 19:21 |
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| woglinde | lol | 19:27 |
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| EspadaV8_W | :'( | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | killed your n900? :P | 19:49 |
| * EspadaV8_W has to return the n900 tomorrow | 19:49 | |
| Stskeeps | aw :P | 19:49 |
| EspadaV8_W | :'''''( | 19:49 |
| dragorn | what did you do to kill it | 19:49 |
| Shapeshifter | mh, for some reason my application icon is just a blue square instead of the one I specified. as far as I see I've put the .desktop file in the right place, and the icon is there as well, just as with the example files. | 19:50 |
| qwerty12 | EspadaV8_W: Please allow me to rub salt into the wound by saying that mine has to be returned back next year | 19:50 |
| * EspadaV8_W stabs qwerty12 | 19:50 | |
| Shapeshifter | except scalable | 19:50 |
| * EspadaV8_W runs off with his phone | 19:50 | |
| SpeedEvil | Buying one? | 19:50 |
| javispedro | please allow me to remove salt from your wound by saying that I STILL DON'T HAVE ONE | 19:50 |
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| EspadaV8_W | Shapeshifter: do't you have to include a hex version of the icon in the .desktop file | 19:50 |
| EspadaV8_W | or something | 19:50 |
| * EspadaV8_W is just saying words since he has no idea reallt | 19:51 | |
| EspadaV8_W | *really | 19:51 |
| javispedro | Shapeshifter: icon in application manager or applications menu? | 19:51 |
| Shapeshifter | mhh... the example desktop file just has Icon=iconname | 19:51 |
| Shapeshifter | javispedro: applications menu. the application manager doesn't work in the sdk. | 19:51 |
| Shapeshifter | apparently. | 19:51 |
| Shapeshifter | or for me at least. | 19:51 |
| Firebird | what does the blue sphere look like? | 19:51 |
| javispedro | it works, but you need fakeroot-net. | 19:51 |
| javispedro | Shapeshifter: run gtk-update-icon-cache | 19:51 |
| Shapeshifter | javispedro: installed on the host machine? | 19:51 |
| javispedro | Shapeshifter, no, inside sbox. | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | nice, headphone icon in statusbar | 19:52 |
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| Shapeshifter | javispedro: ah I see, installed fakeroot-net and the manager is working now. | 19:52 |
| javispedro | Shapeshifter: "gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor/" for the icon issue (from memory) | 19:53 |
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| Shapeshifter | javispedro: mhh, doesn't work. So, I'm not sure if it's my fault... I have icons of correct resolution all named the same in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/hildon/ and ...40x40, 26x26, 16x16,... as well. and in my .desktop file which is in /usr/share/applications/hildon/ I have Icon=myiconname | 19:56 |
| Shapeshifter | among other entries like Exec, Name etc | 19:57 |
| javispedro | Shapeshifter: 64x64 icon in /scalable/ ? | 19:57 |
| Shapeshifter | oh, I made install again and now it's there. No icon in scalable. I don't have a real scalable icon (svg). So I should put a 64x64 one? | 19:58 |
| javispedro | that was for Diablo, and AFAIK for Fremantle too. | 19:59 |
| Shapeshifter | mh okay. thanks. | 19:59 |
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| * Shapeshifter is now upgrading to final sdk. | 20:07 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, RST38h, lbt, pong? | 20:10 |
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| Stskeeps | morning GeneralAntilles | 20:10 |
| zaheerm | anyone seen something like this before? "/scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/bin/sbox-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-objcopy: debian/python-zope.interface-dbg/usr/lib/debug//usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/zope/interface/_zope_interface_coptimizations.so: Invalid operation | 20:11 |
| zaheerm | dh_strip: command returned error code 256" | 20:11 |
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| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: yo. | 20:13 |
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| qwerty12 | Jaffa: ttf-droid with optification sent to the Autobuilder | 20:21 |
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| zerojay | qwerty12: I always wondered what the point of the font packages were. I never saw anywhere I could use them. | 20:28 |
| qwerty12 | You can use them with the X Terminal (which is where I use it) or play with a theme's gtkrc and make it use the new font | 20:29 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12: Cool | 20:29 |
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| qwerty12 | Besides, Jaffa made me upload it for Fremantle :p | 20:29 |
| Jaffa | zerojay: And Notes (maybe Conboy) | 20:29 |
| Jaffa | X Terminal in particular is handy, tho' | 20:29 |
| philosopher | would it a good idea to have cairo optimsed to use omap dsp ? | 20:29 |
| philosopher | or the latency would kill it ? | 20:30 |
| zerojay | qwerty12: Ah, okay... cool. | 20:30 |
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| philosopher | ? | 20:31 |
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| Khertan_n900 | Hello everyone ! | 20:32 |
| timeless_mbp | hi | 20:33 |
| philosopher | where did i saw that name .... | 20:33 |
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| zerojay | Khertan_n900: Hey. | 20:33 |
| zerojay | philosopher: New to Maemo? | 20:33 |
| philosopher | very | 20:34 |
| philosopher | ver new | 20:34 |
| Khertan_n900 | Hello timeless and zerojay | 20:34 |
| philosopher | many people a making noise about it now so it got me curious | 20:34 |
| Khertan_n900 | Did you think there is a way to force a gtksourceview y | 20:34 |
| zerojay | For good reason. :) | 20:34 |
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| Khertan_n900 | to subclass hildon.TextView instead of a gtk.TextView ? | 20:35 |
| * ccooke finally arrives back in London | 20:35 | |
| * zerojay yawns.. | 20:35 | |
| Khertan_n900 | without patching the library ... ? | 20:35 |
| zerojay | Can't believe I'm leaving Quebec so soon... nothing's packed.. lol | 20:35 |
| philosopher | well a systems is only as good as it software | 20:35 |
| philosopher | i hope people do code a lot for it | 20:35 |
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| philosopher | zerojay: in quebec ? lol | 20:36 |
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| ccooke | annoyingly, my n900 didn't manage to get enough charge to turn on, despite being on usb charge the whole way | 20:36 |
| Khertan_n900 | how connection just switch to 3.5G ... | 20:36 |
| zerojay | philosopher: Yeah.. leaving in a few weeks. | 20:36 |
| Khertan_n900 | i think it was 3G only | 20:36 |
| zerojay | Come on Backup... I wanna play Q3 already. | 20:36 |
| ccooke | not so good, really. I imagine they're working on that :-) | 20:36 |
| RST38h | reMoo all | 20:36 |
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| Khertan_n900 | boo | 20:37 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't know where his keys went. | 20:37 | |
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| philosopher | zerojay: job or familly ? | 20:37 |
| zerojay | philosopher: My company is opening up a new office in Halifax so I'm moving out there to help open it. Also, my wife and kid don't know french well enough yet, so it'll just work out better for us anyways. | 20:38 |
| zerojay | So a mix of both. | 20:38 |
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| Khertan_n900 | Halifax ? where is it ? | 20:38 |
| zerojay | East coast of Canada, right by the ocean. | 20:39 |
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| wazd | Mayor of Zagreb, Croatia, said that it would be cool if big rockstars will come and sing in his city, like David Bowie and Freddie Mercury. He was very surprised to hear that Mercury died 18 years ago | 20:39 |
| tekonivel | come on, it should be renamed to Halitwitter already. who uses fax srsly? | 20:39 |
| zerojay | lol | 20:39 |
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| zerojay | tekonivel: I'm stealing that. lol | 20:40 |
| philosopher | ok | 20:40 |
| SpeedEvil | tekonivel: My bank, for one. | 20:40 |
| SpeedEvil | tekonivel: internally | 20:40 |
| SpeedEvil | scan? | 20:40 |
| SpeedEvil | naah | 20:40 |
| SpeedEvil | photocopy + fax | 20:40 |
| range | tekonivel: Hehe. | 20:40 |
| philosopher | so those who have a dev n900 how is th resistive screen ? | 20:40 |
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| zerojay | I just hope that if Nokia decides to send me that Summit N900 anyways, that I haven't already moved. | 20:40 |
| RST38h | it is ok | 20:40 |
| EspadaV8 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging_a_Qt_application#Editing_the_Control_file | 20:40 |
| EspadaV8 | # Section: Only the packages in the user segment are showed by App Installer. | 20:40 |
| ccooke | philosopher: excellent | 20:40 |
| zerojay | philosopher: Much better than the N810.. much more precise. | 20:40 |
| EspadaV8 | what are the valid user segments? | 20:41 |
| ccooke | it really impresses me | 20:41 |
| tekonivel | SpeedEvil: in reality we use fax (occasionally) too; only fax and photocopy are legimate methods to copy official papers with signatures f.ex. | 20:41 |
| philosopher | zerojay: not to hard to press ? | 20:41 |
| tekonivel | scans are informal, not official | 20:41 |
| ccooke | zerojay: theymre also detecting finger presses much better | 20:41 |
| tekonivel | whatever... | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | EspadaV8, http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories | 20:41 |
| ccooke | I feel fine using he web browser with fingers | 20:41 |
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| zerojay | philosopher: You don't have to press as hard as on the N810, but it also does a better job detecting presses along with the more finger friendly UI. | 20:41 |
| frals | the "did your n900 ship today" thread is pretty funny | 20:42 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 20:42 |
| zerojay | philosopher: My iPhone friends universally don't press hard enough though. ;) | 20:42 |
| EspadaV8 | ah ha, thanks you GeneralAntilles | 20:42 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: so... are the categories in the n900 wrong? | 20:42 |
| Khertan_n900 | philosopher: the touchscreen is really good | 20:42 |
| timeless_mbp | i have strings for them and will translate tonight in a bit if they are | 20:42 |
| Khertan_n900 | far away better than any other device i see | 20:42 |
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| zerojay | philosopher: If you don't mind the 3 hour trip to and from Quebec City, I'd let you try it yourself. Heh. | 20:42 |
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| philosopher | lol | 20:43 |
| philosopher | i think i will wait for it to come out | 20:43 |
| philosopher | if it ever does lol | 20:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I think they're OK. | 20:44 |
| tekonivel | who will be first to make a plugin for the Maemo telepathy framework to follow talk.maemo.org with? | 20:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, although Nokia is, as usually, highly inconsistent with their capitalization. | 20:44 |
| philosopher | is meamo specificly build for omap platform or you guys plan to support other platforms ? | 20:44 |
| timeless_mbp | i'll fix that | 20:44 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, i have a cool diff to show you :) | 20:44 |
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| Stskeeps | philosopher: | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | ~mer | 20:46 |
| infobot | well, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | is community's answer to that | 20:46 |
| philosopher | ok | 20:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Goddamnit, crashanddie. . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mm-OS__8V0 | 20:49 |
| * EspadaV8 sighs | 20:50 | |
| EspadaV8 | building a package isn't easy :( | 20:50 |
| Khertan_n900 | EspadaV8nbuilding package on device for python app is really easy : http://wiki.maemo.org/Py2deb | 20:52 |
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| Khertan_n900 | ~ping | 20:52 |
| infobot | ~pong | 20:53 |
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| zaheerm | philosopher, screen is good, pretty responsive....and it feels more accurate for presses than my mum's iphone | 20:56 |
| philosopher | interressting | 20:57 |
| philosopher | many review seems to have a concern with the screen | 20:57 |
| Shapeshifter | mh, they still haven't fixed the blue/red channel bug in the final sdk. | 20:57 |
| tekonivel | forget maemo; unix never toke the core principles to the extreme. i want plan 9 for my n900!! :) | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | then port it | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:58 |
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| Shapeshifter | Is something supposed to happen when one clicks on an app in the app manager? Like htere's openssh in the list, I assume by clicking on it it should install or something, but nothing happens. is this expected? | 20:59 |
| EspadaV8 | http://espadav8.pastebin.com/d27a851c8 | 20:59 |
| EspadaV8 | :-S | 20:59 |
| EspadaV8 | don't think that worked too well :( | 20:59 |
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| RST38h | Shapeshifter: it is supposed to install the app, but it will ask for approval first | 21:00 |
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| RST38h | If it does not then you are not clicking hard enough | 21:00 |
| Shapeshifter | RST38h: hard enough >.> I mean in the sdk | 21:01 |
| tekonivel | Stskeeps: plan 9 is the holy operating system. hardware is ported to it, not it to hardware. It Is The One | 21:01 |
| * tekonivel trolling on irc, not doing useful things | 21:01 | |
| * tekonivel is sorry | 21:01 | |
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| * Firebird had a copy of plan9 somewhere | 21:01 | |
| EspadaV8 | hmmm | 21:01 |
| * EspadaV8 kills debian packaging | 21:02 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | Shapeshifter: edit ~/.osso/hildon-application-manager and change assume-connection to 1. But dpkg kept getting FP errors when I tried using App manager to install... | 21:02 |
| tekonivel | Firebird: l33tness, u has it | 21:02 |
| RST38h | Shapeshift: SDK isn't a real tablet, so it is not guaranteed to work | 21:02 |
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| Shapeshifter | qwerty12_N810: I don't have a dir ~/.osso | 21:03 |
| Shapeshifter | RST38h: yeah, I'm just asking >.> | 21:04 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Shapeshifter: Hmm, just enable red pill mode and set the assume connection option from application manager itself, then | 21:05 |
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| EspadaV8 | anyone had experience packaging a Qt4 app? | 21:06 |
| Lupu | No, but what about of a Qt4 dance? | 21:07 |
| * EspadaV8 does the Qt4 dance | 21:07 | |
| * Mousey is always happy to have a qt4 dancing with | 21:07 | |
| zerojay | Does anyone else's N900 boot into French by default after reflash? | 21:07 |
| wazd | RST38h: remoo | 21:07 |
| Mousey | mine doesn't | 21:07 |
| EspadaV8 | First there was Linux and then there was Mac | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | zerojay: quebecian SIM? | 21:08 |
| RST38h | zerojay: it depends on your location | 21:08 |
| wazd | RST38h: can you help me with theme deb? :) | 21:08 |
| zerojay | Stskeeps: Yeah, that could be it then. | 21:08 |
| EspadaV8 | Now we've put Windows on the OpenSource track | 21:08 |
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| RST38h | zerojay: You are apparently in some French colony =) | 21:08 |
| Lupu | zerojay: Depends on the variant you flash? | 21:08 |
| zerojay | RST38h: Not for long! | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | zerojay: i have a polish sim so it goes to polish | 21:08 |
| RST38h | wazd: Yea, send it in | 21:08 |
| zerojay | Lupu: There aren't any variants. | 21:08 |
| zerojay | Oh, hello Ovi Store. | 21:09 |
| Shapeshifter | qwerty12_N810: ah, thanks. that worked. | 21:09 |
| RST38h | wazd: You email the stuff to my gmail account, I reboot to Linux. | 21:09 |
| Lupu | zerojay: Aren't there for eMMC? | 21:09 |
| wazd | RST38h: k, ta | 21:09 |
| zerojay | Lupu: Not that I've seen so far. | 21:10 |
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| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: dpkg no longer SIGFPEs here. | 21:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ah, good | 21:17 |
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| Shapeshifter | there's no such thing as a "community repo" in maemo, right? Some repo where people can upload their un-checked packages for others to install at their own risk? | 21:18 |
| Shapeshifter | (as in archlinux) | 21:18 |
| Shapeshifter | so, if I was to make a package for maemo, I would just distribute a .deb, right? | 21:18 |
| Shapeshifter | no repo stuff. | 21:19 |
| zerojay | You can put it into extras-devel. | 21:19 |
| zerojay | And that's where it would GET checked. | 21:19 |
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| Shapeshifter | mh, well it's only for a specific audience (students at our uni, members of the computer science club), so I guess distributing the .deb would be sane, wouldn't it? | 21:19 |
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| zerojay | Sure, I guess. | 21:20 |
| * javispedro sighs at removal of install from .deb in ham. still. | 21:20 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | No point putting it in extras-devel if only a few people can actually use it :p | 21:20 |
| Shapeshifter | okay. just asking because I'm not used to debs. | 21:20 |
| zerojay | They would have to install the .deb through application manager using red pill mode though. | 21:20 |
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| Shapeshifter | zerojay: oh. | 21:20 |
| Shapeshifter | ah, I see, yeah "install from package". | 21:20 |
| zerojay | It's the only place where you can install from file. | 21:20 |
| Shapeshifter | or from xterm? | 21:20 |
| Shapeshifter | I mean, just dpkg... | 21:21 |
| zerojay | xterm with dpkg should work too. | 21:21 |
| Shapeshifter | okay | 21:21 |
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| Shapeshifter | thanks | 21:21 |
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| zerojay | Uh.. | 21:23 |
| zerojay | where the fuck did application manager go? | 21:23 |
| zerojay | Oh.. second page. | 21:23 |
| qwerty12_N810 | #appmanager | 21:24 |
| zerojay | [14:59] --> You have joined the channel #appmanager (n=jay@modemcable180.240-23-96.mc.videotron.ca). | 21:24 |
| zerojay | Bastard. lol | 21:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | :p | 21:24 |
| javispedro | it's the best channel ever. | 21:25 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:26 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah_in-tran: home yet? | 21:27 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | "tran": the never-stopping train | 21:27 |
| javispedro | ... to neverland. | 21:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Where 1000s and 1000s of N900s reside | 21:29 |
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| * javispedro goes to cry under the remains of his bridge | 21:29 | |
| zerojay | All playing Q3 against each other. | 21:29 |
| zerojay | And then going to sleep an hour later. | 21:29 |
| javispedro | either risk the cpu being fried | 21:29 |
| javispedro | oh man, what happened to those old arm cpus clocked at 4x their base freq and still dead cold. | 21:30 |
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| Lupu | zerojay: Where do you get the flash images? | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I think they added GPUs and SIMD units. :D | 21:30 |
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| zerojay | Lupu: Links given to us directly by Nokia, individually encrypted and passworded. | 21:31 |
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| Lupu | Ok. | 21:33 |
| wazd | RST38h: catch :) | 21:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | help | 21:33 |
| timeless_mbp | i met someone from White Plains @ Maemo Summit | 21:33 |
| timeless_mbp | anyone have his contact info? | 21:33 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Got it | 21:36 |
| wazd | epic fake video idea: run VNC server on n900 and VNC viewer on n810 :D | 21:36 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 21:36 |
| zerojay | lol | 21:37 |
| javispedro | wazd: why not opposite? | 21:37 |
| javispedro | :) | 21:37 |
| wazd | javispedro: not so "OHMYGOD!!!11"ish :) | 21:37 |
| johnsq | wazd: you should run the server on the faster machine | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: video exists | 21:37 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: oh? | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: thp made one i think, but it was from SDK to n810 | 21:38 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: damn :) | 21:39 |
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| zerojay | thoughtfix officially retires as a tablet blogger. | 21:39 |
| wazd | RST38h: I want to post it on tmo, so if you can make some shots - that would be cool | 21:39 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: Maybe he saw how many times he had been thumbed down... | 21:40 |
| wirelessdreamer | I hope the rumor that tmo will pick up the n900 and have a $50 unlimited plan pans out | 21:40 |
| zerojay | That or he was upset that he didn't get an N900... who knows. | 21:41 |
| zerojay | Either way, smells like butthurt to me. | 21:41 |
| wazd | was he at the summit? | 21:41 |
| zerojay | No. | 21:42 |
| zerojay | Not to my knowledge. | 21:42 |
| zerojay | I think he did apply for sponsorship though. | 21:42 |
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| * timeless_mbp frowns | 21:43 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Didn't. | 21:43 |
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| RST38h | wazd: I cannot even build it: ThemeMaker sucks moose balls | 21:43 |
| zerojay | lol | 21:43 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Somebody should really tell this guy to learn real programming language :) | 21:44 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Tell him yourself. He's in #maemo right now ;) | 21:44 |
| javispedro | RST38h: err, he's here | 21:44 |
| javispedro | :) | 21:45 |
| crashanddie_ | who are we talking about? | 21:45 |
| zerojay | lol | 21:45 |
| wazd | konttori__: you should learn real programming language, according to RST38h :D | 21:45 |
| RST38h | Where is he? | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | people should just start learning how to use -theme-tools and -layout-5 and such. | 21:45 |
| * RST38h looks around with a clear gastronomical intent | 21:45 | |
| zerojay | konttori__: Watch out, he's going to eat you. | 21:46 |
| konttori__ | RST38h: yeah, well, I haven't even updated the sources for a long time. | 21:46 |
| vandenoever | anyone found the compass driver yet? | 21:46 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: people *with linux* ;) | 21:46 |
| RST38h | konttori: I can't make a deb for wazd :( | 21:46 |
| konttori__ | and yeah, for hobby projects, I really don't have the time to do nothing but the minimal effort. | 21:46 |
| konttori__ | RST38h: deb for what? | 21:46 |
| RST38h | konttori: for a theme | 21:46 |
| konttori__ | with what? | 21:46 |
| RST38h | Theme Maker 1.2.2 | 21:47 |
| RST38h | When I click on Repackage, it ends up with | 21:47 |
| RST38h | Error encoding from file /home/fms/Desktop/ThemeMaker1.2.2/marina/usr/share/themes/marina/images/qgn_plat_seek_bar_regular_forward_B_n.png | 21:47 |
| wazd | konttori__: with TM :D | 21:47 |
| konttori__ | what OS? | 21:47 |
| konttori__ | did you first build it? | 21:48 |
| zerojay | vandenoever: There's no compass driver because there's no compass. | 21:48 |
| konttori__ | also, you should click on make debigan, | 21:48 |
| konttori__ | not on repackage | 21:48 |
| RST38h | konttori: Ubutu, x86, yes, I built it | 21:48 |
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| konttori__ | well, click on the make debian | 21:48 |
| RST38h | Ok, clicking on make debian | 21:48 |
| konttori__ | and copy dpkg-deb from /usr/bin to your theme maker folder | 21:48 |
| vandenoever | zerojay: oh that's shame, are there perhaps tricks to estimate xy rotation properly? | 21:49 |
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| zerojay | vandenoever: I'm sure someone here has something up their sleves. | 21:49 |
| RST38h | konttori: done already | 21:49 |
| RST38h | dir:/home/fms/Desktop/ThemeMaker1.2.2 | 21:49 |
| RST38h | command:./dpkg-deb -b marina marina_all.deb | 21:49 |
| RST38h | exit:2 | 21:49 |
| RST38h | changed permissions of debian file: ThemeMaker1.2.2 | 21:49 |
| RST38h | konttori: no .deb file | 21:49 |
| vandenoever | zerojay: which is why i'm asking :-) | 21:49 |
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| konttori__ | well, if you run on command line ./dpkg-deb -b marina marina_all.deb | 21:50 |
| konttori__ | will that do the trick for you? | 21:50 |
| RST38h | ok | 21:50 |
| RST38h | dunno a moment | 21:50 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: I could've sworn you found the answer to that last time :p | 21:50 |
| * timeless_mbp frowns | 21:50 | |
| * timeless_mbp looks for someone who was @summit who met someone from FN | 21:50 | |
| RST38h | qwerty: Yes but with Java every time is the first time | 21:50 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Heh | 21:50 |
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| * timeless_mbp thinks it must have been Matt | 21:51 | |
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| RST38h | fms@endymion:~/Desktop/ThemeMaker1.2.2$ ./dpkg-deb -b marina marina_all.deb | 21:51 |
| RST38h | dpkg-deb: failed to open package info file `marina/DEBIAN/control' for reading: No such file or directory | 21:51 |
| RST38h | konttori: No doughnut. | 21:51 |
| vandenoever | timeless_mbp: FN? | 21:51 |
| konttori__ | oh yeah, osx and linux work different | 21:51 |
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| konttori__ | do a mv marina/debian marina/DEBIAN | 21:52 |
| RST38h | konttori: marina only contains directory usr | 21:52 |
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| konttori__ | oh, then the building was not successful I suppose. | 21:52 |
| RST38h | hmm | 21:52 |
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| konttori__ | as it's missing the debian folder | 21:52 |
| RST38h | why would that be? | 21:53 |
| konttori__ | why would what be? | 21:53 |
| RST38h | unsuccessful building | 21:53 |
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| konttori__ | also, you should dl the latest theme maker (1.2.3) https://garage.maemo.org/frs/shownotes.php?release_id=2863 | 21:54 |
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| konttori__ | eh, https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=36 | 21:54 |
| RST38h | yea, 1.2.3 did not work either, but I had some success with 1.2.2 last time | 21:54 |
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| konttori__ | I really haven't had the time to test on linux. | 21:54 |
| RST38h | 1.2.2 says "Build successfull" but there is no marina/debian dir | 21:54 |
| konttori__ | check console | 21:55 |
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| RST38h | Hmm... I got it to create DEBIAN but DEBIAN/control is missing | 21:55 |
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| konttori__ | do you use sun java? | 21:56 |
| RST38h | Yes | 21:56 |
| konttori__ | that's at least a relief. | 21:56 |
| RST38h | I thought it was write-once-run-anywhere? =) | 21:57 |
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| * crashanddie_ throws a bucket of water on RST38h to stop him from trolling | 21:57 | |
| RST38h | konttori: Do not take it as insult, but if you simply wrote a C/C++ command line utility to do this, it would be much much better | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie_, "Maemo Council" really? :P | 21:58 |
| RST38h | let me know if you need code to load/save/crop .pngs, I have some | 21:58 |
| crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles, I knew you'd come back to me, what do you want in there? | 21:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Maemo Community Council" | 21:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie_: Yeah, make it "Maemo.org council" | 21:58 |
| konttori__ | RST38h: well, please make such a tool and create a UI for windows, osx and linux. I know it's not stable atm on anything else but osx, but that's just because I haven't started stabilizing it for any other os yet. | 21:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | Or just do it in php | 21:59 |
| SpeedEvil | and jam it on a server somewhere | 21:59 |
| konttori__ | mostly because of lack of time. So, if you want to help, I'll send you the code and you can work on making sure it runs on linux. | 21:59 |
| RST38h | konttori: I am too lazy+busy to create the tool itself, but as I have the code for cutting pngs already, it is yours for taking | 21:59 |
| konttori__ | well, I'm not going to write that on c/c++. | 22:00 |
| RST38h | (besides you arealdy know how each piece of the theme is called :)) | 22:00 |
| konttori__ | if anything, I would have written it on python with hindsight, but, the point for the tool atm is just maturization. | 22:00 |
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| konttori__ | to which I have about 4 hours per month time. | 22:01 |
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| RST38h | Oh | 22:01 |
| RST38h | Python would probably do better than Java, ironically... | 22:01 |
| konttori__ | time + patience. I am really dead after getting fremantle done, and really don't have the patience to hack at all in the evenings. | 22:01 |
| konttori__ | well, python and java are both great languages and tons better than c/c++ for writing anything for UI or writing anything quickly. | 22:02 |
| * konttori__ would prefer javascript over c/c++ any day | 22:02 | |
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| johnsq | konttori__: then you should learn lua | 22:03 |
| frals | wheres the code in question? i got exam week coming up so looking for anything to fill my spare time with ;P | 22:03 |
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| RST38h | konttori: For this particular utility, C/C++ will do just fine | 22:04 |
| RST38h | konttori: As long as you are not doing the UI of course | 22:04 |
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| RST38h | frals: A moment | 22:04 |
| RST38h | frals:Get 1.2.3 form here: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=36 | 22:04 |
| RST38h | frals: try to make it work under x86 Linux | 22:05 |
| RST38h | wazd: I am sorryL this thing just does not work =( | 22:05 |
| frals | ill have a look at it, not making any promises whatsoever ;) | 22:05 |
| konttori__ | johnsq: I like the perf of lua, but the syntax is not really my cup of tea. It is a really powerful script language though. | 22:05 |
| konttori__ | RST38h: well, nokia has made already a stiching tool, for the job. theme-tools or something like that if I remember right | 22:06 |
| konttori__ | and yeah, command line is just fine for a hacker. | 22:06 |
| konttori__ | but then again, now that you have an issue with the control file, you can just write the file and the finish by running the dpkg-deb | 22:07 |
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| konttori__ | feel free to use this as basis: http://pastebin.com/m5e1af1a0 | 22:08 |
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| frals | RST38h: ehm yeah, garage seems pretty dead... ;< | 22:09 |
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| RST38h | konttori: oh, maybe tha will work... | 22:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody still needs to teach Nokia how to make universal binaries | 22:17 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Somebody needs to ditch their Mac | 22:18 |
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| RST38h | yep | 22:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody's going to get theirselves hit. | 22:19 |
| javispedro | universal binaries? we have better: .install files that make the user device pull its preferred version | 22:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | No need to hit Nokia, just because they don't see the value in PPC Macs... | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't have one of those anymore. | 22:20 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Ah, congrats | 22:20 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: universal binaries? You mean java? :) | 22:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, no, I mean packages with x86 and PPC binaries. | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Currently Nokia is distributing two separate installers for x86 and PPC. | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, dual E5520. :P | 22:21 |
| * qwerty12_N810 looks at his computer and sighs :( | 22:21 | |
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| javispedro | I wonder why #appmanager is still alive ;) | 22:22 |
| zerojay | Wow, yeah, that autoaim is pretty fucking hardcore, GeneralAntilles. lol | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 22:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, like I said on Talk. There was a time I'd call that demo "evidence". :D | 22:23 |
| zerojay | Instantly snaps to the other person.. wow. haha. | 22:23 |
| zerojay | No kidding. | 22:23 |
| Tadthebuilder | goodday | 22:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So who's going to be the first to find Nokia's stupid boot animation? | 22:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | me | 22:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It would be nice if one could hide the installer packages in the Application manage | 22:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | r | 22:26 |
| RST38h | what are those installer packages? | 22:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I mean, who's gonna install the installer to install whatever app that installer is targeting? | 22:27 |
| RST38h | what is the point? | 22:27 |
| * |R thinks the next 3 weeks are going to be psychological torture with everyone from the summit posting vids! | 22:27 | |
| Tadthebuilder | not really torture... | 22:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | torture is like waterboarding | 22:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | :) | 22:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Beats me.. <41 was free of having them pre-installed :/ | 22:28 |
| |R | haha, yeah ok, i'll get "posting video of unreleased products" added to the geneva convention ;) | 22:28 |
| Tadthebuilder | do that | 22:28 |
| Tadthebuilder | then ill agree that its torture | 22:28 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 22:28 |
| |R | :P | 22:28 |
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| * Tadthebuilder still has not gotten around audible drm... | 22:30 | |
| * frals is comfort-eating saffron buns (lussebullar!) while waiting for the N900 | 22:30 | |
| * qwerty12_N810 gives Tadthebuilder a tape recorder ;P | 22:30 | |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 22:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | well | 22:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | I got my cd burner working | 22:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | so I can burn it and rip it | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Christ, Ovi goes first | 22:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | its a pain though | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | ? | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | What a ripoff. | 22:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | I will never buy another audible book | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, ping? | 22:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Tadthebuilder: _please_ contact the publisher to tell them this. | 22:31 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, pong | 22:31 |
| Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: ovi goes first? | 22:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | actually I may contact the author as well :) | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, we need a 5.0 version | 22:32 |
| Tadthebuilder | im a regular at his blog. | 22:32 |
| Myrtti | we need a better audiobook player | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, Nokia demoted the application manager down a level in favor of the fucking Ovi Store. | 22:32 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, where? | 22:32 |
| Myrtti | as I've said before | 22:32 |
| andre__ | there is 5.0 for most stuff I think | 22:32 |
| andre__ | i did it yesterday evening | 22:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre__, ah, nevermind. | 22:32 |
| andre__ | if i missed something please say :) | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | I see it. | 22:32 |
| andre__ | version still has not sorting | 22:32 |
| andre__ | sucks | 22:32 |
| Tadthebuilder | wait whats this about the ovi store and application manager? | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, where do you want my critical bug about the Applications menu sorting? :P | 22:32 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: Shit, you're right | 22:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Want me to do a package that swaps them? | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | What a slap in the face. | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, I want Nokia to fix it. | 22:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah | 22:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | they put the nokia controlled ovi store | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Ovi Store link goes to THE FUCKING BROWSER | 22:33 |
| andre__ | heh? just put it on my desk :-P | 22:33 |
| andre__ | yes, that is correct | 22:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | in a higher more prominent place than the application manager which is community controlled | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Putting it in Home, andre__. | 22:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ovi | 22:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh | 22:34 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, yeah, somewhere under Desktop is always fine | 22:35 |
| Shapeshifter | mh? So, there's two links, one to the application manager and one to the ovi store browser page? | 22:35 |
| Shapeshifter | and the ovi one comes first | 22:35 |
| Shapeshifter | on the same page. | 22:35 |
| Shapeshifter | who cares >.> | 22:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | does this actually impede the use of the device? | 22:36 |
| timeless_mbp | Shapeshifter: picture? | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, no, the application manager is hidden away in a lower level. | 22:36 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Shapeshifter: No, not on the same page. | 22:36 |
| Shapeshifter | no, I'm asking, for clarification, I don't have any pictures... | 22:36 |
| Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: oh I see. | 22:36 |
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| Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: well, do you have a picture? | 22:36 |
| andre__ | yeah. ovi store was put in a more prominent place instead. looks like nokia wants to make money with the n900 ,-)) | 22:36 |
| Shapeshifter | well, sure sucks. | 22:36 |
| andre__ | actually i wonder why this office viewer stuff is in extras. it's just annoying trial software.... grumble. can't they dumb that into Ovi? | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tadthebuilder, it's a nice slap in the face for all of the developers who've spent so much time getting their applications ready for Fremantle only to be hidden away in the back in favor of Nokia's hyperlink. | 22:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah | 22:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | I see | 22:37 |
| vandenoever | andre__: there's be a FOSS one there soon | 22:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | doesnt that also | 22:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | kinda | 22:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | cause problems for nokia | 22:37 |
| wazd | RST38h: no luck with deb? Ah, thanks anyway :) | 22:37 |
| qwerty12_N810 | andre__: It's not trial for me (I still have the binaries of the old version)... | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plus, since you can't reorganize the applications menu | 22:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | who expect the community to bring forward alot of software | 22:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I don't want to have to tap a bunch of times to get to h-a-m | 22:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | Isn't that assuming that free apps can't go in the store? | 22:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: You'll be told to make a shortcut on the desktop :/ | 22:38 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: i expect someone to replace hildon-desktop :) | 22:38 |
| frals | costs you 50€ or smth to sign up for ovi store thou | 22:38 |
| andre__ | qwerty12_N810, uhh? | 22:38 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, add a link to the desktop ;-) | 22:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | andre__: The old, old versions didn't ask for a serial :p | 22:38 |
| Tadthebuilder | isnt part of the problem | 22:39 |
| Tadthebuilder | not that it cant be worked around | 22:39 |
| Tadthebuilder | but that new users who are unfamilar with this community will not know of the work around? | 22:39 |
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| Tadthebuilder | a random person who picks up the device might never even learn abotu the second source of software installation? | 22:39 |
| Shapeshifter | nokia-- | 22:40 |
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| andre__ | qwerty12_N810, so send them to me! now! if not, no cookies for you! | 22:40 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Really, I think everyone with an application in extras-devel should become a Nokia partner. More exposure that way | 22:40 |
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| Shapeshifter | mh... why does hildon_entry_new return a GtkWidget* and not a HildonEntry* ? | 22:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | Shapeshifter: gtk is fun :) | 22:42 |
| Shapeshifter | (HildonEntry*)hildon_entry_new "fixes" this, but it seems a bit random | 22:42 |
| Shapeshifter | anyway it seems like with gtk you spend half of the time casting stuff. | 22:42 |
| * Tadthebuilder hates audible | 22:43 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Vote: http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5346 | 22:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | Shapeshifter: welcome to C :) | 22:45 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: someone was supposed to write a deb to fix that | 22:46 |
| timeless_mbp | i hoped you guys would promote it to extras :) | 22:46 |
| Shapeshifter | timeless_mbp: so this is a C specific property? Until recently, I've only done python + PyQt. Or is this always like this with gtk? | 22:46 |
| timeless_mbp | Gtk - C is full of casts | 22:47 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: Ironically, that approach requires the user actually finding the Application manager first :) | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | .install | 22:47 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: not true | 22:47 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps++ | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Christ, more installer apps. Really? :\ | 22:47 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: i'm told there were a bunch | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, look at that, "Maemo Extras" is disabled, too. | 22:48 |
| timeless_mbp | but i didn't have time to play w/ a maemo summit device | 22:48 |
| Tadthebuilder | viva la revolution | 22:48 |
| timeless_mbp | it is? | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully that'll change before final release. | 22:48 |
| Tadthebuilder | viva la maemo | 22:48 |
| EspadaV8 | ok, i'm sure this packaging guide could be better, because nothing seems to work :( | 22:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: Cool. I'd love to see that .install hit the Ovi Store | 22:49 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 22:49 |
| * timeless_mbp kicks bluetooth | 22:50 | |
| Tadthebuilder | how do you kick something like bluetooth? | 22:50 |
| Tadthebuilder | that take skill | 22:50 |
| timeless_mbp | not sure | 22:51 |
| timeless_mbp | it involves a certain amount of randomness | 22:51 |
| timeless_mbp | sometimes you hit the wifi radio instead | 22:51 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, can you please convince me that having app manager under "More" is a huge usability issue? because otherwise i'd realistically call it an enhancement request | 22:51 |
| * andre__ playing bad cop | 22:51 | |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, so you've just gotten your new device out of the box and turned it on. | 22:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre__, what are YOU going to want to get to first, Ovi Store or h-a-m? | 22:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre__, also: are hyperlinks applications? | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because last time I checked they weren't. ;) | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hyperlinks belong on the desktop. | 22:52 |
| andre__ | Store implies Buying to me | 22:53 |
| * RST38h would not care about either | 22:53 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I see both Ovi Store and Maemo Select on the desktop. | 22:53 |
| * RST38h would just make a phone call instead =) | 22:53 | |
| andre__ | but I wonder how many average users know about the free apps in h-a-m | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why do we need a second copy of the Ovi Store hyperlink in the __applications__ menu. | 22:53 |
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| andre__ | maybe Calculator could be moved to More instead, then App Manager and Ovi Store can both be at first level - how does that sound? | 22:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | how about we wirelessly hack into everyone n900 and add it...jk | 22:54 |
| Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: well, to "_get_ applications". Though I completely agree demoting the applications manager is daft. | 22:54 |
| * RST38h does not understand what General and andre are talking about | 22:54 | |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, would work. | 22:54 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | andre__: +1 | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, Ovi Store replaced h-a-m in the root level of the applications menu. | 22:54 |
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| * qwerty12_N810 uses RST38h's ATI85 when he needs a calculator | 22:54 | |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, though I still don't think a hyperlink belongs in the applications menu. | 22:55 |
| RST38h | An average user will not care about installing extra apps out of the boox. He will just use this thing as a phone. | 22:55 |
| RST38h | General: I know. It looked weird. | 22:55 |
| Tadthebuilder | if you pay 600 bucks for a device | 22:55 |
| Tadthebuilder | you want more than to make phone calls on it | 22:55 |
| Tadthebuilder | if you just wanted to make phone calls youd get a 30 dollar phone | 22:55 |
| RST38h | General: But as I do not like this Desktop->TaskMan->Menu->More->Scroll thing in general, I do not care about its implementation details | 22:55 |
| Tadthebuilder | you can bet that if I paid that much for a phone i wouldbe looking for programs to install on it | 22:56 |
| Tadthebuilder | even if I was a bumbling idiot who knew nothing about computers | 22:56 |
| RST38h | General: IMHO, the whole scheme is broken, it takes too many clicks | 22:56 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 22:57 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hey, johnx. | 23:01 |
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| johnx | hey GA | 23:01 |
| johnx | barely alive | 23:01 |
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| johnx | gonna sleep for like 14 hours and see if this death-plague goes away | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | lo johnx | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | sick too? | 23:02 |
| johnx | yeah | 23:02 |
| SpeedEvil | johnx: Good luck. | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | lovely | 23:02 |
| johnx | thanks SpeedEvil | 23:02 |
| * SpeedEvil hopes johnx does not wake up a Zombie. | 23:02 | |
| * GeneralAntilles color faxes johnx some chicken soup. | 23:02 | |
| Tadthebuilder | hmm | 23:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | we may need to prepare for that speed evil | 23:03 |
| konttori__ | GeneralAntilles: on users devices, there will be links on home to both maemo select and ovi | 23:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | go read zombie zurvival guide and world war z | 23:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | so we are prepared | 23:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | konttori__, thus, there's no need for the Ovi Store hyperlink in the applications menu. :) | 23:03 |
| johnx | 'see you after I either get well or return undead (bonus if you can tell the difference) | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori__, especially not if it's pushing h-a-m down a level. :) | 23:03 |
| konttori__ | ovi link on the launcher was indeed a bit unfair in my opinion, but otoh, it does makes business sense. | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori__, which benefits Nokia and its commercial partners. | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not the people actually paying money to use the device. :) | 23:04 |
| konttori__ | as, that is promoting the ovi applications slightly more | 23:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Can free apps go inthe ovi store? | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why would you want them to for €50? | 23:04 |
| SpeedEvil | just asking. diddn't know there was a fee | 23:05 |
| konttori__ | ovi will bave both free and paid content | 23:05 |
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| konttori__ | it will also have a selection of bgs, themes, ringtones and such | 23:05 |
| konttori__ | so, it's not only apps that will be there | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hooray for Ovi's $1.99 backgrounds. <_< | 23:06 |
| konttori__ | ok. night | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Welcome to cellular hell, Maemo. | 23:06 |
| konttori__ | bgs are not paid content | 23:06 |
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| Tadthebuilder | hehe | 23:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | thats why that one guy set a free backgrounds site | 23:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | with the cooll super mario oejns | 23:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | thats what Id use | 23:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | if I had a n900 | 23:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Until sega gets annoyed and sends DCMA | 23:07 |
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| Tadthebuilder | sega | 23:07 |
| Tadthebuilder | get annoyed from super mario brothers | 23:07 |
| Tadthebuilder | that would be strange | 23:07 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 23:08 | |
| Tadthebuilder | :) | 23:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | sorry | 23:08 |
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| Tadthebuilder | It does seem that alot of companies over look things like that though | 23:08 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - depending on stuff | 23:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | unless | 23:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | they want to sell one for 1.99 a piece in the ovi store | 23:09 |
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| * GeneralAntilles prepares to file lots of bugs tonight. | 23:10 | |
| * timeless_mbp has a bunch of fun bugs to file | 23:11 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I haven't been paying any attention at all to Bugzilla in the past few months. | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gonna be fun playing the "watch for dupes" game. | 23:11 |
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| Shapeshifter | ugh, my C is really bad :| if I get the contents of a HildonEntry* using hildon_entry_get_text(my_hildon_entry); this will return a const gchar*. How can I "save" this const *gchar as a *gchar (basically copying it), so that I don't get a " assignment discards qualifiers from pointer target type" anymore? | 23:14 |
| Shapeshifter | because I don't really want the pointer to the content of the entry, but the content. | 23:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, you push the backgrounds to Extras yet? | 23:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ShadowJK: I guess you could g_strdup() into a new gchar* that is not const, but bear in mind that my C is very shit | 23:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | *shapeshifter | 23:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Sorry, ShadowJK | 23:16 |
| tbf | Shapeshifter: hildon_entry_get_text() is deprecated with recent hildon | 23:16 |
| tbf | Shapeshifter: just use gtk_entry_get_text() | 23:16 |
| Shapeshifter | tbf: okay thanks, will do that. but the issue remains. | 23:16 |
| tbf | Shapeshifter: but like qwerty12_N810 said: if you want to keep a private copy, you have to g_strdup() it | 23:17 |
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| tbf | Shapeshifter: if not, declare your variable as "const char *" | 23:17 |
| Shapeshifter | ah, qwerty12_N810, thanks. | 23:17 |
| Shapeshifter | allright. | 23:17 |
| * wazd listens to Queen - Somebody to Make a Theme Deb | 23:17 | |
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| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: No, not yet. I haven't gotten around to building the package in the SDK yet. Maybe tonight. | 23:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | blah blah blah blah still lazy. | 23:23 |
| zerojay | lol | 23:23 |
| Shapeshifter | so, in C with gtk, my simple app is already taking up 620 lines, while the corresponding bash script has about 50. | 23:23 |
| Shapeshifter | there's so much redundancy with this C gtk thing >.> | 23:24 |
| lardman | evening all | 23:24 |
| lardman | have just made it back, so nice to be home | 23:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Hiya, lardman | 23:25 |
| lardman | (the summit was great though, but I really need more sleep and less drinking!) | 23:25 |
| lardman | hey qwerty12_N810 | 23:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anybody looking for a live demo. ;) http://www.umpcportal.com/live/ | 23:26 |
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| Shapeshifter | yaay n900 price dropped again in my favourite store. | 23:26 |
| frals | yeah GeneralAntilles, its quite nice that live demo | 23:26 |
| Shapeshifter | by a blazing 50 bucks | 23:26 |
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| frals | that page almost worked on the n900 as well ^^ | 23:26 |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles: I heard about your passport problems. Really sorry you couldn't make it over | 23:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, yeah, only 28 hours late because they didn't bother to overnight it like I paid for. <_< | 23:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | What can you do? | 23:27 |
| lardman | rubbish :( | 23:27 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: Rampage? | 23:28 |
| lardman | is there a Python interface to mapwidget? | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, hullo, gitmo. | 23:29 |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles: shave the beard before you rampage, and be careful of your headwear? | 23:30 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I hear the sandwiches there are horrible | 23:30 |
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| lardman | lol | 23:31 |
| lardman | ovi maps really is craptastic | 23:32 |
| tbf | lardman: with calling it "craptastic" you still praise this crap | 23:34 |
| lardman | tbf: right you are | 23:34 |
| lardman | I was impressed that it sometimes had problems finding "Amsterdam" | 23:35 |
| * qwerty12_N810 makes sure to not use that word when describing lardman's stuff | 23:35 | |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: I'd take that as a complement, especially if it describes my GUI designs ;) | 23:35 |
| tbf | lardman: yup. you'll have to try again later, when the map severs recovered from the shock | 23:36 |
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| tbf | lardman: **shock** an user! | 23:36 |
| lardman | tbf: shame it doesn't let you know that that is the problem | 23:36 |
| tbf | lardman: run and hide! | 23:36 |
| tbf | (the servers say) | 23:36 |
| lardman | lol @ comment from texrat: "users don't care about developers", well the feeling is mutual don't they know....? ;) | 23:37 |
| tbf | lardman: even more nuts is, that it queries those servers for every letter you type in the search dialog | 23:37 |
| lardman | oh really, that sounds very efficient | 23:37 |
| tbf | lardman: well, and i really wonder why they cannot use a proper title bar | 23:37 |
| lardman | cross platform with symbian or somesuch | 23:37 |
| lardman | but yes | 23:37 |
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| tbf | lardman: i know this UI for months now and still i am very cautious when tapping those random looking icons in its weird titlebra | 23:38 |
| lardman | same here | 23:38 |
| code177 | afternoon ! | 23:38 |
| tbf | lardman: guess it's more suffering from web 2.0 boys syndrom | 23:38 |
| lardman | I wonder if we could just have the renderer api exposed and write our own | 23:38 |
| Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: how hard do you need to press the screen? | 23:38 |
| Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: and do you need the nail? | 23:38 |
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| tbf | lardman: there is no rendering API | 23:38 |
| tbf | lardman: it just fetches images from the server and shows them in some AJAX UI | 23:39 |
| lardman | oh, it fetches images does it? | 23:39 |
| lardman | I thought it was vector based.....? | 23:39 |
| tbf | lardman: have not found any evidence of that yet | 23:39 |
| tbf | lardman: but i could be wrong | 23:40 |
| lardman | hmm, well it renders lines rather than tiles as it downloads | 23:40 |
| tbf | lardman: really? i'm sure i saw it rendering tiles. well. dunno. gave up on this crap app. | 23:41 |
| lardman | it may fetch blocks of vector data perhaps? But I've not done any investigation so am just going from gut feeling | 23:41 |
| tbf | lardman: my boss has contacts to some real navigation device makers and i lobbied them into lobbying them to port to maemo :-D | 23:41 |
| lardman | tbf: yeah, but if we could use vector backend data, if that's what it uses, it would be a nice on-device mapping source | 23:41 |
| tbf | lardman: i hope so badly that he manages to convince them. | 23:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, it's very sensitive. | 23:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | I had live shows where they ignore the chat. <_< | 23:42 |
| tbf | lardman: even would pay some other 100, 150 bucks for a proper navigation software on that device | 23:42 |
| zerojay | Shapeshifter: You almost never would need to use a nail anymore. | 23:42 |
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| tbf | hem. i lobbied __him__, not "them" | 23:43 |
| Shapeshifter | nice | 23:43 |
| * ShadowJK 's been using his N810 with fingers/thumbs | 23:45 | |
| ShadowJK | now I can't get the smudges off :( | 23:45 |
| Shapeshifter | ShadowJK: purified water + a drop of vinegar essence = perfect cleaning solution | 23:47 |
| Shapeshifter | + cotton cloth | 23:47 |
| ShadowJK | wtf is vinegar essence | 23:47 |
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| Shapeshifter | ShadowJK: mhh, concentrated vinegar used to make your own vinegar | 23:48 |
| ShadowJK | there's "wine vinegar" in the cupboard | 23:48 |
| Shapeshifter | like, you mix it with apple juice and you get apple vinegar | 23:48 |
| ShadowJK | the left side of my n810 sceen is sensitive enough that even with 8 point font size I can hit the right line of text with thumb no nail most of the time | 23:49 |
| ShadowJK | just lightly touching | 23:50 |
| code177 | i'm going to be so happy when i find a way to get an n900 to canada | 23:50 |
| ShadowJK | center takes serious effort to get any response at all | 23:50 |
| ShadowJK | I think others have experienced same thing with N8x0... | 23:50 |
| ShadowJK | but, does anyone remember if it was like that as new or if it came witn time | 23:51 |
| * GeneralAntilles waits to see if Charbax starts ranting about how much he loves Android. | 23:51 | |
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| EspadaV8_N900 | last night i get to sleep with the n900 :-( | 23:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | 0.o | 23:58 |
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