| ShadowJK | the roof in my new car seems like an effective GPS blocker | 00:02 |
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| ShadowJK | works fine when under the window though | 00:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | cars vary. | 00:07 |
| * RST38h draws a pentagram with word "volatile" in the center | 00:07 | |
| SpeedEvil | some - especially newer/shinier cars have a coating on the window to reduce solar gain - which also blocks GPS - or do rear window demisting | 00:07 |
| javispedro | RST38h: you finally found the source of all the evil in the world | 00:07 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders what foul demon RST38h is summoning. | 00:07 | |
| RST38h | Oh shit, even link-time-optimization works | 00:08 |
| RST38h | Speed: VAX | 00:08 |
| RST38h | Speed: And it speaks to me in German, unless properly excorsized | 00:08 |
| ShadowJK | VAX <3 | 00:08 |
| RST38h | javis: Yes, and I am currently productizing it | 00:08 |
| * ShadowJK had ssh account on a VAX once | 00:08 | |
| ShadowJK | it ran OpenVMS :-) | 00:08 |
| * RST38h compiled ircii for openvms once | 00:09 | |
| ShadowJK | I used epic :) | 00:09 |
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| johnx | RST38h, did you already hear about the bank heist in Stockholm? | 00:14 |
| RST38h | No, what happened? They airdropped VAX onto the vault? | 00:15 |
| pupnik | hahaha | 00:16 |
| johnx | RST38h, http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/now-this-is-how-to-rob-a-bank/ | 00:16 |
| RST38h | ah, so the helicopter was involved after all | 00:17 |
| johnx | so who says you only ever hear about the dumb criminals | 00:17 |
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| frals | yeah that chopper landed a few minutes from where i live, pretty cool | 00:19 |
| johnx | frals, they cut you in to keep your mouth shut? :) | 00:19 |
| lardman | night all | 00:19 |
| johnx | 'night lardman | 00:19 |
| frals | haha, i wish :D | 00:19 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | "Here, son, get that N900 you've always wanted" | 00:20 |
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| javispedro | that's how eldar got his prototype | 00:21 |
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| frals | pretty pro to rob a cash storage central with a fuckin chopper tbh | 00:21 |
| johnx | I'd feel a lot differently if it was someplace that wasn't insured or if anyone was hurt | 00:22 |
| johnx | but as it is: just wow | 00:22 |
| qwerty12_N810 | So, is Sweden heaven for bank robbers? If so, I'll get a ticket right now | 00:23 |
| javispedro | yes it is | 00:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Great! | 00:25 |
| javispedro | I will be waiting for you there to rob you first ;) | 00:25 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Of what? | 00:25 |
| * qwerty12_N810 coughs | 00:25 | |
| johnx | your cool nickname | 00:25 |
| javispedro | whatever you stole from all those nokians! | 00:26 |
| rkirti | :D | 00:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Well, if you want a 3310 *that* badly... | 00:27 |
| SpeedEvil | qwerty12_N810: Running maemo5? | 00:28 |
| * rkirti wonders what encryption system would map n900 to 3310...... | 00:28 | |
| lcuk2 | the 3310 is easy enough, but getting a lock of a nokians hair for that voodoo anti-iphone spell is a bit more tricky | 00:28 |
| lcuk2 | tho notably, jeremiah has long hair... | 00:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | SpeedEvil: Running some version of Maemo with Snake II... | 00:29 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk2: I thought you simply needed the ash from the heartwood of a Golden Delicious tree, planted in a graveyeard. | 00:29 |
| javispedro | anti-iphone spell? | 00:29 |
| lcuk2 | thats to resurect a c64, get with the times | 00:29 |
| * javispedro would be happy with an anti-rdf spell | 00:29 | |
| SpeedEvil | For that I always used leaded solder. | 00:30 |
| lcuk2 | my first attempt at fixing a broken computer involved tinfoil and the expansion port on my zx spectrum | 00:30 |
| * qwerty12_N810 leaves you old people to it | 00:30 | |
| javispedro | lol | 00:31 |
| lcuk2 | i didnt have to gel my hair for weeks afterwards! | 00:31 |
| lcuk2 | speakin of which :O shockingly - for real | 00:31 |
| lcuk2 | jake was stupid tonight | 00:31 |
| lcuk2 | he idly put the charger for the laptop in his mouth | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | 20v=ow | 00:31 |
| * lcuk2 facepalmed | 00:31 | |
| kpel | !! | 00:31 |
| lcuk2 | yes speedevil | 00:32 |
| lcuk2 | reactions are quite quick when you get a zap | 00:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Is jake 7? | 00:32 |
| lcuk2 | yeah | 00:32 |
| SpeedEvil | That'll do it. | 00:32 |
| lcuk2 | hopefully its his first and final lesson in the dangers of electricity :) | 00:32 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk2: "That's the evil in the internet biting you" | 00:33 |
| lcuk2 | nahhh, internet cables arent that shocking | 00:33 |
| lcuk2 | they have a bad taste occasionally tho | 00:33 |
| SpeedEvil | live 10base-t cables can be detected with the tongue. | 00:35 |
| lcuk2 | i prefer just looking at my color coding sheet and using a regular non living tester | 00:36 |
| lcuk2 | my dad had a mega-ohm industrial circuit tester | 00:36 |
| lcuk2 | he once asked me to "hold onto these" | 00:36 |
| lcuk2 | giving me a pair of crocodile clips | 00:37 |
| ShadowJK | hah | 00:37 |
| RST38h | <sleep> | 00:37 |
| * ShadowJK once thought the electric fence was off and did "I'm not afraid, watch this!" | 00:37 | |
| lcuk2 | haha | 00:38 |
| lcuk2 | they give a right jolt | 00:38 |
| lcuk2 | my mate once peed onto a lamppost and caused a massive electric arc and shorted the post out | 00:38 |
| lcuk2 | im surprised he didnt fry anywhere | 00:38 |
| ShadowJK | Also at work one of the engineers told me he just discovered the failure mode of triacs vs relays.. relays just become a break in the circuit.. triacs become a conductor in the circuit when they break :-) | 00:39 |
| ShadowJK | I didn't ask how he discovered it | 00:39 |
| frals | mythbuster tested that whole peeing on stuff concept, didnt they? | 00:39 |
| lcuk2 | dunno | 00:39 |
| lcuk2 | but afterwards we tried other pepole peeing | 00:39 |
| ShadowJK | Well with the electric fence, electricity would be conducted through the body into the ground | 00:39 |
| lcuk2 | and only he had explosive electrolitic piss | 00:39 |
| frals | turns out its pretty hard to get it to arc up to you due to.. well, its not a solid stream all the way to the electric current usually | 00:40 |
| ShadowJK | but lamppost has live and ground near eachother? | 00:40 |
| lcuk2 | yeah - but sparks flew | 00:40 |
| lcuk2 | and we were young | 00:40 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | There was some guy in London who took a piss on the train tracks and got elecrocuted as a result of doing so | 00:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | It depends on the stream. | 00:43 |
| SpeedEvil | If you can obtain a coherent stream, with under a few cm gap | 00:43 |
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| zerojay | The Mythbusters fucked that one up anyways. | 00:49 |
| zerojay | Their piss stream had zero pressure behind it unlike a dude taking a piss normally. | 00:49 |
| lcuk2 | how/why | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | zerojay: pressure is actually bad | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | zerojay: more energy in the stream tends to cause it to become uncoherent sooner | 00:50 |
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| mavhc | if only science let you do your own experiments | 00:50 |
| zerojay | Come to my toilet then. :) | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | zerojay: Turn the lights off, and flash photograph some streams from the side. | 00:51 |
| * SpeedEvil cannot be held responsible for piss all over the floor. | 00:51 | |
| frals | :D | 00:51 |
| zerojay | lol | 00:51 |
| javispedro | #maemo. you can talk about ye olde computers, and you can piss. | 00:51 |
| mavhc | don't use your pick up lines on me | 00:52 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Why limit yourself to just pissing? | 00:52 |
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| lcuk2 | 2 girls 1 transformer | 00:53 |
| t_s_o | sheesh, do i need to grab the mind bleach? | 00:53 |
| * SpeedEvil downloads tubgirl to perform photometrology. | 00:53 | |
| mavhc | do you now | 00:53 |
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| lcuk2 | ok, lets flush this conversation. we need to wipe the slate clean. | 00:54 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | That's it! Tubgirl! I haven't fapped to that in a while | 00:54 |
| lcuk2 | OP! | 00:54 |
| t_s_o | i did not see that... | 00:54 |
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| lcuk2 | t_s_o, consider yourself lucky | 00:55 |
| lcuk2 | all because of a silly electrocution | 00:55 |
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| lcuk2 | wow http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=39904 | 01:11 |
| kpel | lol | 01:12 |
| b-man16 | rofl | 01:12 |
| Corsac | nice | 01:13 |
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| lcuk2 | Corsac, i dont think its a photoshop - its more like smoking into a projector | 01:14 |
| * lcuk2 is probably wrong tho | 01:14 | |
| Corsac | I would agree | 01:17 |
| Corsac | but it still looks very nice | 01:17 |
| Corsac | (cigarettes are kind-of hot, on a picture) | 01:17 |
| Corsac | photogenic, I mean | 01:18 |
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| zerojay | If you say so. | 01:18 |
| lcuk2 | zerojay, ok, dynamic smoke clouds generated by combustion of a mixture of checmicals in a safe filtered environment vented to ECC regulations :D | 01:19 |
| lcuk2 | and without going near humans | 01:20 |
| lcuk2 | the point was the smoke, not the act of smoking | 01:20 |
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| lcuk2 | Corsac, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJk8ijAUCiI | 01:20 |
| lcuk2 | this is super cool too | 01:21 |
| zerojay | lcuk2: I meant that towards Corsac saying cigs are kind of hot. | 01:21 |
| zerojay | lcuk2: And I can't really separate the smoke from the act of smoking. ;) | 01:21 |
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| lcuk2 | smoke rings on that video you can :P | 01:21 |
| lcuk2 | they are like the best explosions out of scifi | 01:21 |
| Corsac | zerojay: well, cigarettes *are* hots | 01:24 |
| Corsac | when they are lighted | 01:24 |
| Corsac | lcuk2: pretty :) | 01:25 |
| igagis | lcuk2: hi | 01:25 |
| igagis | lcuk2: I managed to upload theremin to fremantle extras-devel | 01:26 |
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| MrGoose1 | lcuk2: who are you and what did you do to luck? | 01:27 |
| MrGoose1 | s/uc/cu/ | 01:27 |
| rohanrhu | hello | 01:27 |
| infobot | MrGoose1 meant: lcuk2: who are you and what did you do to lcuk? | 01:27 |
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| lcuk | nothing | 01:28 |
| lcuk | apart from got kicked earlier | 01:28 |
| MrGoose1 | lcuk: who are you and what did you do to lcuk2? | 01:28 |
| MrGoose1 | ah! | 01:28 |
| rohanrhu | is maemo installable to nokia n95 ? | 01:28 |
| Tired | got a good kickin... | 01:28 |
| * MrGoose1 resumes his sleep | 01:28 | |
| lcuk | :D | 01:28 |
| javispedro | no. no. no., | 01:29 |
| javispedro | and no. | 01:29 |
| b-man16 | can anyone help me with this? :( http://pastebin.ca/1580709 | 01:29 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 01:31 |
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| javispedro | b-man16: as a temporary workaround, you could try with "export DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:2" | 01:31 |
| b-man16 | ok | 01:31 |
| kpel | b-man16: add a line in /etc/hosts for localhost? | 01:31 |
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| pupnik | it's fun watching nethack.alt.org people play the game | 01:33 |
| b-man16 | javispedro: didn't work :( http://pastebin.ca/1580711 | 01:33 |
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| SpeedEvil1 | pupnik: yup | 01:35 |
| SpeedEvil1 | pupnik: I have played nethack.alt.org over gprs with my neo1973 | 01:36 |
| pupnik | :)( | 01:36 |
| pupnik | :) | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil1 | pupnik: (openmoko) this was very silly though | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil1 | and didn't really work very well, due to the limited virtual keyb | 01:36 |
| javispedro | b-man16: is xephyr listening, and on display 2:? | 01:36 |
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| b-man16 | javispedro: yes | 01:37 |
| SpeedEvil1 | pupnik: I have a tiled screensaver I made once - that shows a dozen in-progress games. | 01:38 |
| javispedro | uh, well.. | 01:39 |
| b-man16 | i ran "Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac -kb &" | 01:40 |
| pupnik | heh | 01:40 |
| javispedro | b-man16: does /tmp/.X11-unix/X2 exists in sbox | 01:41 |
| javispedro | ? | 01:41 |
| b-man16 | nope | 01:42 |
| MrGoose1 | n900 for vodaphone? | 01:42 |
| b-man16 | ls -a /tmp/.X11-unix; x0 | 01:42 |
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| b-man16 | *X0 | 01:42 |
| MrGoose1 | http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/Brands/Nokia/Nseries-Multimedia-Phones/sb489/n443/p26078.aspx?lpsrc=google&lpcat=NokiaN900l&lpgrp=N900&lptxt=N900v3&lpkey=n900&gclid=CIrTzpqskJ0CFcQB4wod8j242g | 01:42 |
| MrGoose1 | sorry for the long link | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | MrGoose1: also t-mobile | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | MrGoose1: not bad prices | 01:42 |
| pupnik | ok adding repository.maemo.org to /etc/hosts | 01:43 |
| MrGoose1 | SpeedEvil: In UK? | 01:43 |
| SpeedEvil | MrGoose1: in that compared with buying from nokia, you get a discount of maybe 70-100 quid including the discounted plan. yes | 01:43 |
| SpeedEvil | actually - more in some cases | 01:43 |
| MrGoose1 | SpeedEvil: I cant find a link for t-mobile | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | You get a discount of 100 quid if you get it with a PAYG SIM. - vodafone simplicity - it's another tab | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | above the list | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | mych the same price | 01:45 |
| MrGoose1 | SpeedEvil: oh right! sorry | 01:45 |
| b-man16 | javispedro: only /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 exists | 01:45 |
| javispedro | b-man16: that /tmp should be the same as the host /tmp | 01:45 |
| b-man16 | oh | 01:45 |
| javispedro | does X2 exist there? | 01:45 |
| b-man16 | mm | 01:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | MrGoose1: Look at the price of the individual plans - without phones - on the voda/t-mobile website - and you save perhaps 100-200 quid buying through there - compared to buying from nokia and the sim-only plan. And of course - nothing to pay up-front. | 01:46 |
| SpeedEvil | MrGoose1: I am unsure if the phone would be locked to the carrier - I suspect not | 01:47 |
| b-man16 | javispedro: nope | 01:47 |
| range | What does vodafone mean with "unlimited web"? Internet or Intarweb? | 01:47 |
| SpeedEvil | range: it's a lie. | 01:47 |
| SpeedEvil | range: As they all are in the UK | 01:47 |
| SpeedEvil | range: they mean you can have it up 24*7 | 01:47 |
| range | SpeedEvil: Only UK-Web? :) | 01:48 |
| pupnik | Ahh to fix DNS in Maemo Scratchbox VMware image, need to edit ubuntu's crazy /etc/nsswitch.conf - just copying resolv.conf into SBOX does not help... http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2007-March/000906.html | 01:48 |
| SpeedEvil | range: there are 'fair use' quotas - that vary from 500M/mo to 5G/mo depending on plan | 01:48 |
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| lcuk | range, yeah, only .co.uk sites available :( | 01:49 |
| SpeedEvil | range: I'm currently using vodafone 3G to connect over - ssh works, http works - I haven't checked out much else. | 01:49 |
| range | SpeedEvil: Additional data plans, I guess. Okay, I'm not envious then :) | 01:49 |
| lcuk | you have to pay more for long distance internet | 01:49 |
| range | :) | 01:49 |
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| javispedro | b-man16: are you using a vm too? | 01:49 |
| b-man16 | yup | 01:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah - my DSL has synced again - so I can stop using 3G. | 01:49 |
| * SpeedEvil stabs. | 01:49 | |
| b-man16 | virtualbox | 01:49 |
| javispedro | where are you running xephyr? | 01:49 |
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| wazd | Omg, Eldar on t.m.o. | 01:49 |
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| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 01:50 | |
| * javispedro sighs at tmo thread | 01:51 | |
| wazd | So much strive to show n920 in his profile | 01:51 |
| b-man16 | javispedro: i'm running it within virtualbox in ubuntu | 01:51 |
| b-man16 | (9.10) | 01:52 |
| javispedro | b-man16: maybe http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/49848 ? :P | 01:53 |
| javispedro | (first google hit, not that I ever experienced that) | 01:53 |
| lcuk | wazd, whats he gonna be like when he finds out he missed out on the n930 \o/ | 01:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: What are you talking about? I mean, he "already gets all the devices". | 01:56 |
| lcuk | he mustv missed the memo then | 01:56 |
| * javispedro has a n9000 with builtin granade launcher | 01:57 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: With contacts like his in his phonebook?! /s | 01:57 |
| lcuk | pah javispedro so last week | 01:57 |
| mavhc | but does your phone have an extra large 5? | 01:58 |
| b-man16 | xD | 01:58 |
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| lcuk | in 10 years time, people will still be wondering whether bringing in King C. Gillette to maemo was a good move. a 5 screen tablet seems too much for some people. | 02:00 |
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| * SpeedEvil _wants_ | 02:01 | |
| lcuk | yeah :) | 02:01 |
| SpeedEvil | A foldable tablet would be awesome. | 02:01 |
| lcuk | multipule cohesive units acting as one is desirable | 02:01 |
| lcuk | multiple | 02:01 |
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| * javispedro wonders if the n9000 will still have ir port. | 02:01 | |
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| lcuk | neural interface | 02:01 |
| javispedro | no. | 02:01 |
| javispedro | I want my IR port! | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Imagine a n900 where you could grab the top of the screen, pull, and it unfolds to a 3*10" display | 02:02 |
| johnx | yeah, that was the readius concept | 02:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I just want a tablet with the ability to alert you if there are northerners around you | 02:02 |
| johnx | they couldn't seem to get to market | 02:02 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, more like if you could spread a deck of cards across the table | 02:02 |
| lcuk | and have the entire surface just appear :) | 02:02 |
| lcuk | small area - just one | 02:02 |
| lcuk | or maybe 2 ;) | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: that too | 02:03 |
| lcuk | they would have to know where abouts they were in relation to each other tho | 02:03 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: but that solution has the problem that overlap is hard to do | 02:04 |
| lcuk | mmm really | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: I want seamless edges | 02:04 |
| lcuk | bezelless devices are possible | 02:04 |
| lcuk | but doubt you would get one in near future | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: so it looks like a 3*10" display, not a segmented one | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | bezelless devices are not really possible at the moment | 02:04 |
| lcuk | look at the lcd walls in use in tv studios | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | they are thin bezel, not bezelless | 02:05 |
| lcuk | the seams use a lens | 02:05 |
| lcuk | and remove appearance | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - that doesn't work well for high-res text | 02:05 |
| lcuk | or you can use projection methods | 02:05 |
| lcuk | and blending | 02:05 |
| lcuk | its possible | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Which they don't care about | 02:05 |
| lcuk | but impractical on small devices | 02:05 |
| lcuk | depending on the fresnel lens and design of components it could be eliminates | 02:06 |
| lcuk | d | 02:06 |
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| lcuk | but on the whole, a windowed effect isnt that bad | 02:06 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder if it's not really an IR port, but bitbanging the proximity sensor's emitter | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: I disagree. | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: It sucks for my primary use-case - reading text split over screens | 02:06 |
| lcuk | then your dream wont be a reality for a while :P | 02:06 |
| lcuk | just buy a bigger tablet | 02:07 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK: well, there's a window on a side of the "gadget" | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: I really want some e-ink film so I can do this. | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: a 2cm*10cm wand. The screen is wrapped round it. | 02:07 |
| Tired | you just need your pixels on a stretchable material... | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: e-ink screen. You unroll the screen, and drag the wand over it, and it prints. | 02:07 |
| Tired | resolution would stay the same, but you could just pull the screen to the desired size | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: drag the wand back, and it reprints | 02:08 |
| pupnik | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/dists/diablo/sdk/Release.gpg Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org' | 02:08 |
| pupnik | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/dists/diablo/tools/Release.gpg Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org' | 02:08 |
| pupnik | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/diablo/Release.gpg Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org' | 02:08 |
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| Tired | STOP! | 02:08 |
| SpeedEvil | hammertime! | 02:08 |
| mavhc | can't download this | 02:09 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, i know your principle, but its not gonna be practical to have a flexi screen | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: why not? | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: This is more for a cheap large-screen book reader, it's not an internet access device. | 02:09 |
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| lcuk | rolling unrolling will cause lots of stress | 02:09 |
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| lcuk | i like the folding all in one one ive seen | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: The screen is _completely_ passive | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: It has _no_ electronics. Simply a e-ink layer, laminated with a conductive transparent plastic film. And that's it. | 02:10 |
| lcuk | oh jees, thats worse than i thought lol | 02:10 |
| lcuk | just go look at reusable paper - which uses eink | 02:11 |
| lcuk | its already there | 02:11 |
| lcuk | you can buy it | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Please point me to a source - I haven't seen any. | 02:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | There have been lots of 'oooh - wouldn't it be nice in the future' announcements. | 02:12 |
| SpeedEvil | I have yet to see where I can buy a ream. | 02:12 |
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| mavhc | how is the eink controlled? | 02:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | mavhc: in the above case - by an electrostatic printer in the wand | 02:14 |
| lcuk | ok SpeedEvil i misread, you can buy it but its not fully out lol | 02:14 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: I can't find anywhere where I can buy one sheet. | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe my google-fu sucks. | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | (for under $100) | 02:15 |
| javispedro | eink! lovely | 02:16 |
| * SpeedEvil thinks of bacon. | 02:17 | |
| johnx | SpeedEvil, I'll sell you a sheet of bacon for $100 | 02:20 |
| lcuk | e-bacon :D | 02:20 |
| lcuk | its reusable | 02:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | A bacon-printer. You'll never look at spam email the same way again. | 02:22 |
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| lcuk | bah | 02:22 |
| lcuk | i found the article about erasable toilet paper | 02:23 |
| range | *snicker*? | 02:23 |
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| pupnik | ok fixed | 02:36 |
| pupnik | need to run sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl restart | 02:36 |
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| lcuk | hey fiferboy \o | 02:50 |
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| infantejg | good evening some body knows what's the command for reset my nokia 6120C? | 03:35 |
| infantejg | it's working but slowly | 03:36 |
| infantejg | this tipe of terminal would have viruses??? | 03:36 |
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| zerojay | infantejg: This channel isn't for any other Nokia devices other than the 770, N800, N810 and N900, sorry. | 03:38 |
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| johnx | infantejg, I mean, there's no harm in asking, but there aren't many people who are experts on stuff besides the maemo devices | 03:42 |
| johnx | if it's an s60 device I think there must be a couple s60 channels | 03:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Doubtful. | 03:43 |
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| infantejg | thanks I'll try | 03:44 |
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| pupnik | gcc version 3.4.4 (release) (CodeSourcery ARM 2005q3-2).... | 04:24 |
| pupnik | Sun Sep 27 03:24:26 CEST 2009 | 04:24 |
| fernand0 | hi :d | 04:24 |
| pupnik | "Gcc 3.4 and beyond! June 1st, 2004" | 04:25 |
| fernand0 | quick question.. any idea why an app compiles and runs ok on scratchbox armel but segfaults on a n810? | 04:25 |
| javispedro | pupnik: diablo's. | 04:25 |
| pupnik | hi fernand0 | 04:25 |
| javispedro | if it matters you, config sbox to use fremantle's | 04:25 |
| pupnik | dunno | 04:25 |
| javispedro | even though in my (useless) benchmark it was a bit slower | 04:25 |
| pupnik | k | 04:25 |
| javispedro | fernand0: debugging on device may be even easier than debugging on armel target, so i guess you're kinda lucky. just install gdb on device. | 04:26 |
| fernand0 | javispedro, ok, let me see, I need to add some repos for that, right? | 04:27 |
| javispedro | fernand0: yes, the sdk tools repo. be careful with it, just install gdb and then remove it; do not upgrade from it. | 04:28 |
| fernand0 | javispedro, ok, thanks, now I can see that it actually crashes on the armel target when I execute it without run-standalone.sh | 04:30 |
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| fernand0 | going to install gdb anyway heh | 04:30 |
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| Anja | ssss | 04:46 |
| johnx | tttt | 04:47 |
| Anja | eeeeeej | 04:47 |
| Anja | breeeeeeee | 04:47 |
| johnx | keyboard problems? | 04:48 |
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| Alek92XxX | ej | 04:50 |
| Alek92XxX | eeeeeeeeeee | 04:52 |
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| luke-jr | ]later tell slonopota* seriously considering selling my N810 to get a HTC Touch Pro2-- thoughts? | 04:52 |
| luke-jr | oh, my bot isn't here. :/ | 04:52 |
| * luke-jr fails | 04:53 | |
| pupnik | gcc > 4.4 can do -fprofile-generate=/path/to/gcda/files which means no more hacking with paths when profiling on N800 | 04:54 |
| johnx | luke-jr, a touch pro 2? someone got linux running on it? | 04:54 |
| fernand0 | hey javispedro, gdb complains.. it says "file" not in executable format: File format not recognized | 04:54 |
| javispedro | pupnik: ah, good! :) | 04:54 |
| luke-jr | johnx: almost, it sounds | 04:55 |
| javispedro | fernand0: what's "file". | 04:55 |
| fernand0 | my binary file | 04:55 |
| fernand0 | ls | 04:55 |
| luke-jr | johnx: apparently there is a decent community of hackers for HTC phones | 04:55 |
| pupnik | http://www.google.de/#hl=en&safe=off&q=+gdb+"not+in+executable+format" | 04:56 |
| luke-jr | johnx: the port is actually for the Pro (1), but Pro (2) seems to mainly just be a bigger framebuffer and more RAM | 04:57 |
| johnx | luke-jr, lol. goodluckwithtthat. | 04:58 |
| fernand0 | thanks pupnik :p | 04:58 |
| luke-jr | johnx: thanks, I might need it :p | 04:58 |
| johnx | luke-jr, yup, you'll have your totally open source phone with no power management and probably missing sound and the actual phone part | 04:59 |
| luke-jr | johnx: apparently most of the drivers are open from HTC's Android phones | 05:00 |
| johnx | yeah, the status page looks super-complete *rolls eyes* | 05:00 |
| johnx | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RaphaelLinux | 05:00 |
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| luke-jr | johnx: looks outdated; I know TI released a GPL Wifi driver | 05:02 |
| johnx | and you still have a closed source bootloader :P | 05:02 |
| johnx | the progress at the bottom was updated on 2009/09/18 | 05:03 |
| johnx | so yeah, I think the page is current | 05:03 |
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| luke-jr | johnx: huh? even that page has links to the open source bootloader | 05:03 |
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| pupnik | From the days of Computer Gods: a short story of ARM and Acorn http://www.heyrick.co.uk/assembler/history.html | 05:11 |
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| johnx | luke-jr, thought they were using haret? | 05:15 |
| luke-jr | "We use HaRET. (More on HaRET here..) The source for HaRET can be obtained from CVS. This is a snapshot from November 5, 2008. To build HaRET on an otherwise ready-to-build i386 linux machine, you need CEGCC. (Prebuilt mandriva cegcc mingw32ce-0.51.0-1.i586 worked for me (on an intel ubuntu vbox / Jobo). This one is prebuilt, modified to not complain about large images.)" | 05:16 |
| johnx | luke-jr, depends on wince, doesn't it? | 05:17 |
| luke-jr | oh. | 05:17 |
| luke-jr | crap. | 05:17 |
| luke-jr | :/ | 05:17 |
| johnx | yeah, and those "partials" probably won't ever actually get worked out | 05:17 |
| luke-jr | johnx: now you're just trolling -.- | 05:18 |
| johnx | luke-jr, nope. look at past linux ports to the htc devices | 05:19 |
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| johnx | it's a cool port, but people scratch itches | 05:19 |
| johnx | if no one cares about getting the GPS working, then you'll be left without a working GPS | 05:20 |
| luke-jr | IIRC, the GPS is NMEA | 05:20 |
| luke-jr | so just needs UART | 05:21 |
| johnx | first of all, that was just an example. second of all, it looks like they ran into problems with it anyways | 05:21 |
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| lcuk | hacks even | 07:27 |
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| fernand0 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aawn0Cm7Hyc | 07:57 |
| fernand0 | :P | 07:57 |
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| zerojay | Neat | 08:03 |
| zerojay | fernand0: Get started on a Maemo 5 port. :) | 08:06 |
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| jaem | fernand0: DEB link? or is it not out yet? | 08:07 |
| jaem | nvm | 08:07 |
| jaem | nvm that nvm. Is it out? | 08:08 |
| fernand0 | haha | 08:09 |
| fernand0 | yea | 08:09 |
| * jaem is looking | 08:09 | |
| fernand0 | http://cymonsgames.com/asciiportal/ | 08:10 |
| jaem | yes, but I don't see an ARM binary there | 08:10 |
| jaem | I can build one, though, but the video would imply that someone has one | 08:11 |
| fernand0 | oh, I did | 08:15 |
| fernand0 | do you want me to upload it? | 08:15 |
| fernand0 | it segfaults when its closed.. need to see why heh | 08:15 |
| fernand0 | also I want to enable fullscreen mode | 08:16 |
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| jaem | fernand0, yes please | 08:24 |
| jaem | is it SDL? | 08:24 |
| fernand0 | yep | 08:24 |
| jaem | ah | 08:24 |
| jaem | one sec | 08:24 |
| jaem | if you upload your sources (if you've modified them, that is), I can patch that for you | 08:25 |
| jaem | or I can point you to the wiki | 08:25 |
| jaem | it's not hard | 08:25 |
| jaem | see this article: http://wiki.maemo.org/Game_development | 08:26 |
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| fernand0 | let me check, I'll upload the asciiportal bin if you want, you need to use the maps, and sounds folder from any of the build | 08:28 |
| fernand0 | jaem, http://maemo-es.com.ar/deb/asciiportal.tar.gz | 08:31 |
| jaem | yay, thanks | 08:32 |
| jaem | sure | 08:32 |
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| Macer | wow ncis sucked | 08:43 |
| Macer | heh | 08:43 |
| jaem | fernand0: is that built from vanilla sources, or did you have to do some porting work? | 08:46 |
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| fernand0 | jaem, it's vanilla source, I have not touched it heh | 08:47 |
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| fernand0 | jaem, oh, I think I removed the gcc -O2 optimization flag, I'll add it again.. besides that, nothing | 08:49 |
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| jaem | hmm | 08:52 |
| jaem | fernand0: is it like the original game, in that portals only stick to certain surfaces? | 08:52 |
| fernand0 | jaem, yea | 08:57 |
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| jaem | how are they marked? | 09:06 |
| pupnik | awesome - ascii portal rules | 09:17 |
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| fernand0 | jaem, http://maemo-es.com.ar/deb/asciiportal.bin.gz this one should run faster, also if you use the -f parameter should be fullscreen on 800*480 heh, only the white blocks can be used to place portals | 09:27 |
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| jaem | nice! | 09:51 |
| jaem | that's awesome | 09:52 |
| jaem | g'night | 09:52 |
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| johnx | ahaha...I just got my oldest zaurus running a recent OS again | 12:17 |
| RST38h | Install Android on it =) | 12:18 |
| johnx | no way. :P | 12:18 |
| johnx | it's gonna be my DAAP/UPNP server | 12:18 |
| RST38h | will it be able to stream video? =) | 12:19 |
| johnx | we'll find out, won't we? | 12:19 |
| johnx | it'll be fine for audio | 12:19 |
| johnx | I don't do much video with upnp anyways | 12:19 |
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| johnx | also, I found something called didiwiki. it's a wiki with built-in web server in like 25KB apparently | 12:21 |
| RST38h | including the database? | 12:22 |
| SpeedEvil | have you seen tiddlywiki? | 12:22 |
| SpeedEvil | A wiki in your browser - powered by js | 12:22 |
| johnx | RST38h, nah, that's just the binary | 12:22 |
| SpeedEvil | It is quite handy | 12:22 |
| johnx | SpeedEvil, that's cool, but it doesn't sound very multi-user ... | 12:22 |
| RST38h | wikipedia.exe =) | 12:23 |
| SpeedEvil | johnx: no - you need a server | 12:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Though there is a free one | 12:23 |
| johnx | so wait, what? it's a wiki in js, but depends on an external server? | 12:24 |
| johnx | not trying to be mean, but I don't understand the use-case... | 12:24 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a wiki in js - that can save to local disk - or upload to a server | 12:24 |
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| johnx | ah, got it | 12:25 |
| Myrtti | Mediawiki.el | 12:26 |
| Myrtti | Emacs <3 | 12:26 |
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| johnx | haha! even usb (gadget) networking works | 12:28 |
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| * RST38h moos at Myrtti | 12:57 | |
| Myrtti | Moo | 12:57 |
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| Zambezi | As a Debianfan, I would really like this N900, but unfortunatelly too expensive for me. | 13:42 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N810, you arent that pessamistic | 13:48 |
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| * Jaffa feels much better having had a self-imposed tmo embargo since Thursday. | 14:02 | |
| Jaffa | And I've no plans to break it. | 14:02 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, good for you | 14:04 |
| lcuk | some threads are a bit meh! | 14:05 |
| lcuk | some are fun tho :) | 14:05 |
| lcuk | and theres productive nuggets coming from them | 14:05 |
| * Jaffa seems unable to avoid hitting the crackpot conspiracy theories more than anything else. | 14:05 | |
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| * lbt mainly goes to tmo by request when Mer come up | 14:09 | |
| lcuk | jaffa, :P Never ascribe to malice, that which can be explained by incompetence. — Napoleon Bonaparte | 14:13 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Oh, I know they're incompetent. In reading comprehension etc. | 14:16 |
| lcuk | haha | 14:16 |
| Jaffa | People seem to actively work on misunderstanding etc. | 14:16 |
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| * Jaffa concentrates on development. Much more fun. | 14:16 | |
| lcuk | its easy in a text envionment | 14:17 |
| lcuk | good good | 14:17 |
| * lcuk does in an odd way | 14:17 | |
| Jaffa | Well, got to do a GUI now. That's pretty boring. | 14:17 |
| lcuk | its always pretty boring | 14:17 |
| lcuk | vb ftw :D | 14:17 |
| * Jaffa wonders about playing with Glade or GtkBuilder or whatever is the current in-vogue GUI tool | 14:17 | |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: s/vb/WimpWorks | 14:18 |
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| lcuk | how did guis get done before the ide? | 14:18 |
| Jaffa | Oops. I think I've deleted jaffasoft.co.uk | 14:19 |
| Jaffa | And it's CVS repo. | 14:19 |
| Jaffa | This could be embarassing | 14:19 |
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| lcuk | o_O | 14:22 |
| lcuk | thats not good | 14:22 |
| * lcuk needs to do some prototyping and is just too lazy | 14:22 | |
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| Jaffa | I may have a backup from 200*6*! | 14:24 |
| lcuk | :O | 14:28 |
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| lcuk | mornin yerga javispedro | 14:44 |
| javispedro | morn | 14:44 |
| yerga | morning lcuk | 14:45 |
| lcuk | yerga, i notice bacon is high on your priorities too | 14:46 |
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| yerga | lcuk, bacon is a wonderful food | 14:47 |
| yerga | you can use it with everything | 14:47 |
| lcuk | yeah - its even good for clothing | 14:48 |
| Lorthirk | yer:maybe a bit fat? :D | 14:48 |
| * lcuk will leave it to google to demonstrate, but bacon bras are quite popular lol | 14:50 | |
| lcuk | the uncooked one is a bit off - but nothing a quick grilling couldnt cure | 14:50 |
| * yerga searches bacon bras in google... :-P | 14:52 | |
| Myrtti | *rolleyes* | 14:53 |
| aquatix | hey Myrtti ;) | 14:54 |
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| Myrtti | Mph | 14:55 |
| * aquatix gives Myrtti some good coffee | 14:56 | |
| * Myrtti goes away again in a poof of smoke | 14:57 | |
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| * lcuk gets Myrtti a bacon pony | 14:59 | |
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| lcuk | maemo council election voting ends today i believe | 15:09 |
| lcuk | so anyone that hasnt voted - get your asses into your email inbox and follow instructions | 15:09 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Candidate_declarations_for_September_2009 | 15:10 |
| * SpeedEvil discovers the 'edit' link on that page, and decides what to add. | 15:11 | |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 15:11 |
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| lcuk | haha | 15:12 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | "Keep the Maemo Community Council northerner free - don't vote for lcuk" | 15:12 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk is clearly a southerner. | 15:13 |
| lcuk | o_O | 15:13 |
| lcuk | in what context | 15:13 |
| lcuk | south manchester? | 15:13 |
| * SpeedEvil is in Fife. | 15:13 | |
| lcuk | haha cool | 15:13 |
| lcuk | glad irc has auto subtitles ;) | 15:13 |
| lcuk | it seems that everyone complains about those northerly of them | 15:14 |
| lcuk | who does santa comaplin about | 15:14 |
| lcuk | complain | 15:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | People in Manchester | 15:14 |
| lcuk | haha | 15:14 |
| * lcuk notices you arent op right now | 15:15 | |
| * qwerty12_N810 blames the router | 15:16 | |
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| lbt | Jaffa: there's a voting problem | 15:37 |
| lbt | voting seems to be closed | 15:37 |
| lbt | "The voting period for the specified election starts on 2009-09-20 00:00:00 (UTC) and ends on 2009-09-26 23:59:59 (UTC). It is not possible to vote now." | 15:38 |
| lcuk | then technically its right, even i miseread it | 15:38 |
| lcuk | i tohught it was open all day today | 15:38 |
| lcuk | misread thought | 15:39 |
| lbt | For those who haven't noticed, the voting for the council is on now, and | 15:39 |
| lbt | will close on Sunday evening. | 15:39 |
| lbt | from dneary's email | 15:39 |
| lbt | :( | 15:39 |
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| lcuk | ... | 15:39 |
| lbt | he sent a "Don't forget to vote" email to the community list on 25/9/09 | 15:40 |
| lcuk | yeah reading now | 15:40 |
| lbt | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/maemo_community_council_elections_voting_open/ | 15:41 |
| lbt | X-Fade ping... | 15:44 |
| lcuk | we need a batsignal | 15:46 |
| sp3000 | }×@×{ ? | 15:47 |
| sp3000 | hm, no, that's just a dead pig with weird ears | 15:47 |
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| lbt | I posted on tmo too | 15:49 |
| lcuk | thanks lbt | 15:50 |
| lcuk | :D | 15:50 |
| lcuk | hehe | 15:50 |
| lcuk | i meant for anything cool where superheroes should come running | 15:51 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: ping | 16:09 |
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| thopiekar | hi | 16:12 |
| thopiekar | can't install fremantle beta2 it seems that the package theme-config is missing.. | 16:13 |
| thopiekar | thats what apt says.. | 16:13 |
| thopiekar | :/ | 16:13 |
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| lcuk | did you have any problems when you last ran apt-get update | 16:13 |
| lcuk | which might indicate certain repositories are not availabl | 16:14 |
| lcuk | or is this a general problem | 16:14 |
| thopiekar | I'm just trying to install the sdk on sb1 with the script that is available on the maemo / developtment site.. | 16:15 |
| thopiekar | just tried it weeks ago because I thought its somehow a problem with my sb or whatever.. | 16:16 |
| thopiekar | but is doesn't work again.. | 16:16 |
| lcuk | sounds odd | 16:16 |
| thopiekar | :/ | 16:16 |
| lcuk | if its from the normal instructions it generally works | 16:17 |
| lcuk | try reading the faq there and seeing if it has any pitfalls as you describe | 16:17 |
| thopiekar | hmm k | 16:17 |
| thopiekar | thanks lcuk | 16:17 |
| lcuk | failing that, post on -dev mailing list | 16:18 |
| lcuk | theres more devs there that dont always watch the flow here | 16:18 |
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| zemm | i also had one package missing from fremantle repository when i tried it in a hurry couple of weeks ago | 16:28 |
| zemm | didn't have time to look further, but it really was not there. might be that same | 16:29 |
| lcuk | zemm, what package was that | 16:30 |
| zemm | can't remember exactly, but it was needed for gui. might have been that theme-config | 16:30 |
| lcuk | oooh the proto photo browser users the concept i want to do for widgets | 16:31 |
| lcuk | http://betalabs.nokia.com/betas/view/nokia-photo-browser | 16:31 |
| lcuk | it looks like from there it could work | 16:31 |
| lcuk | the rotating thing :$ | 16:32 |
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| keesj | When does this council actualy have it's last day? it is today? | 16:34 |
| Jaffa | keesj: Yup. Tomorrow a new council is in place. | 16:35 |
| Jaffa | We can retire to the second house | 16:35 |
| keesj | Jolly good! | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Is the second house hereditary? | 16:35 |
| Jaffa | SpeedEvil: Not any more | 16:35 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, old council members are now stuffed and mounted on the wall | 16:36 |
| Jaffa | Excellent | 16:36 |
| lcuk | just thought i would mention that ;) | 16:36 |
| lcuk | keesj, we will put you in a pose with nbutton concept | 16:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Is nokia following the ferengi practice of auctioning freeze-dried segments? | 16:38 |
| lcuk | no, but they will be on sale from the maemo.org store | 16:39 |
| lcuk | gold pressed latinum is accepted | 16:39 |
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| * javispedro likes candidate lcuk words about the important issue at hand ;) | 16:39 | |
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| lcuk | javispedro of course, strips of latinum are vital to trade | 16:41 |
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| lcuk | does paypal have a conversion factor for that btw | 16:42 |
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| * lcuk leaves a link just in case http://liqbase.net/ | 16:43 | |
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| ShadowJK | maybe talk to egold | 16:44 |
| lcuk | hah | 16:44 |
| lcuk | wasnt there a post your gold thing | 16:44 |
| lcuk | we could have a "postyourgolfplatedlatinum" | 16:44 |
| lcuk | gold even | 16:45 |
| lcuk | i wonder how much postage would be | 16:45 |
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| lbt | voting? | 17:01 |
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| lcuk | lbt, everything | 17:08 |
| RST38h | moo wazd | 17:08 |
| lcuk | hiya RST38h | 17:09 |
| lcuk | and hi wazd | 17:09 |
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| RST38h | EHLO lcuk | 17:09 |
| lcuk | 250 OK | 17:10 |
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| * lcuk drops a 10tonne safe on penguinbait as he enters | 17:13 | |
| penguinbait | ouch | 17:14 |
| lcuk | how are you | 17:14 |
| RST38h | eliminating competition? =) | 17:14 |
| lcuk | not at all | 17:14 |
| lcuk | just seeing who has super powers | 17:14 |
| RST38h | ehehe | 17:14 |
| lcuk | kinda like the dunking witches thing lol | 17:14 |
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| lcuk | penguinbait, is your site tablet oriented | 17:16 |
| lcuk | http://penguinbait.com/ i mean | 17:16 |
| lcuk | its got fonts visible from orbit on my desktop | 17:16 |
| lcuk | yeah (H) works nicely from tablet | 17:17 |
| * javispedro spies lcuk's monitor from orbit | 17:17 | |
| javispedro | aka google earth. | 17:17 |
| javispedro | no, I don't see anything :( | 17:17 |
| lcuk | looking on the wrong freuqncy | 17:17 |
| lcuk | frequency | 17:18 |
| lcuk | see, even my typing letters are phasing in and out | 17:18 |
| penguinbait | orbit ;) | 17:18 |
| penguinbait | http://penguinbait.com/superhero.jpg | 17:19 |
| javispedro | arrrrrrrrrgh my eyes | 17:19 |
| lcuk | thank god i dont have one of those! | 17:19 |
| javispedro | lol | 17:19 |
| javispedro | you will | 17:19 |
| penguinbait | heh | 17:19 |
| lcuk | but that looks REALLY good for what i mentioned before | 17:20 |
| lcuk | <keesj> When does this council actualy have it's last day? it is today? | 17:20 |
| lcuk | <Jaffa> keesj: Yup. Tomorrow a new council is in place. | 17:20 |
| lcuk | <Jaffa> We can retire to the second house | 17:20 |
| lcuk | <keesj> Jolly good! | 17:20 |
| lcuk | <SpeedEvil> Is the second house hereditary? | 17:20 |
| lcuk | <Jaffa> SpeedEvil: Not any more | 17:20 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> Jaffa, old council members are now stuffed and mounted on the wall | 17:20 |
| lcuk | <Jaffa> Excellent | 17:20 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> just thought i would mention that ;) | 17:20 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> keesj, we will put you in a pose with nbutton concept | 17:20 |
| lcuk | <SpeedEvil> Is nokia following the ferengi practice of auctioning freeze-dried segments? | 17:20 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> no, but they will be on sale from the maemo.org store | 17:20 |
| lcuk | but having them in pimp costumers is even more fitting | 17:20 |
| lcuk | we can open an attraction | 17:20 |
| lcuk | like madame tussauds | 17:21 |
| * GeneralAntilles notices a bunch of random people in his apartment. | 17:21 | |
| lcuk | have you considered that its YOU thats in the wrong appartment | 17:21 |
| javispedro | apple employees reparing the RDF no doubt | 17:21 |
| jaska | random spawn | 17:21 |
| penguinbait | I think Quim shaves is chest, lol | 17:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | My roommate went to a party last night and brought home some baggage I guess. | 17:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | They turned the AC to "Express Lane to the Poor House" | 17:22 |
| * lcuk laughs at http://liqbase.net/star_wreck_keisari_ga.jpg | 17:22 | |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, if baggage == girls, np ;) | 17:23 |
| lcuk | +1 agreed VDVsx lol | 17:23 |
| zerojay | If baggage == girls, then $$ | 17:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, I have no idea, they're all covered head to toe in blankets. | 17:24 |
| zerojay | Pay up, mothafucka. | 17:24 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: ELBOW DROP! | 17:24 |
| lcuk | hahaha GeneralAntilles thing is, if he brought the football team back with him | 17:24 |
| lcuk | you will be their b***h and have to make em breakfast cos you are up | 17:24 |
| lcuk | and wearing a pinny | 17:25 |
| penguinbait | make some bacon for us too | 17:25 |
| lcuk | good idea! | 17:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fuck that shit. The rice cooker made breakfast. | 17:25 |
| lcuk | last act of the council :) lol massive fryup for the community | 17:25 |
| pupnik_ | girls fit in baggage, but airlines give discounts for them, so it's kind of a toss-up | 17:25 |
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| zerojay | penguinbait: Shit.. I think it's working. I smell bacon. | 17:25 |
| zerojay | Oh... haha.. my wife's making breakfast. | 17:26 |
| penguinbait | mmmmmmmmmmmmm bacon!! | 17:26 |
| lcuk | zerojay, yeah she made breakfast for me before :P | 17:26 |
| zerojay | pffffft, | 17:26 |
| lcuk | :D | 17:26 |
| lcuk | at least ou can afford bacon | 17:26 |
| penguinbait | why is fried ham called Canadian bacon? | 17:27 |
| pupnik_ | more code less chat. http://pupnik.de/arbeiten.gif | 17:27 |
| lcuk | right now, i have a grand total of 26p and some chewing gum | 17:27 |
| lcuk | cos canadian bacon is like fried ham | 17:27 |
| lcuk | its thin and wiffly and fake | 17:27 |
| zerojay | lcuk: I can't afford much more than that, heh. | 17:28 |
| penguinbait | do Canadians call it Canadian bacon? or is that a USA thing? | 17:28 |
| zerojay | It's an American thing. | 17:28 |
| zerojay | It's just ham here. | 17:28 |
| penguinbait | Maybe just a Michigan thing? | 17:28 |
| zerojay | No, it's not. I heard it in Kentucky as well. | 17:28 |
| * lcuk buys mild english cheddar | 17:28 | |
| penguinbait | how much beer can you buy with 26p | 17:29 |
| penguinbait | ? | 17:29 |
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| zerojay | If you ever want to either feel like the smartest person alive or depressed that everyone else around you is one notch above "brain dead", Kentucky's the place to go! | 17:29 |
| lcuk | not much | 17:29 |
| lcuk | but i have to put that money towards family :) | 17:29 |
| lcuk | so its not even all available for beer | 17:30 |
| ppman | Hi there, I'd like to build maemo from source.... how do I do it, and what would I be missing (ie, what's non-distributable)? | 17:30 |
| zerojay | Isn't there a wiki page that outlines what would be missing...? | 17:30 |
| zerojay | ppman: What version of Maemo? | 17:31 |
| penguinbait | I want to run a n64 emulator can someone tell me how? | 17:31 |
| ppman | possibly, but I'm not very good at finding it. | 17:31 |
| ppman | zerojay: I don't know... probably the latest that's not 5? | 17:31 |
| ppman | I don't actually have a maemo-device, keep in mind | 17:31 |
| ppman | I'm going to be doing pretty interesting things... | 17:31 |
| lcuk | theres a mobile business conference happenging in amsterdam on oct 28-30, its about emerging telecoms platforms for companies with fleets/salespeople etc | 17:32 |
| lcuk | i think it would be great to have maemo representitive there | 17:32 |
| zerojay | ppman: Like what? | 17:32 |
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| lcuk | http://blog.ecomm.ec/ecomm-amsterdam-2009-1/ | 17:32 |
| lcuk | so whoever in the council gets in - follow up on it | 17:32 |
| penguinbait | so your going? | 17:32 |
| ppman | zerojay: I realize it would be a ton of work, but I was considering trying to bring it to other devices | 17:32 |
| zerojay | Ugh.. don't even want to think about Amsterdam right now. | 17:32 |
| lcuk | i heard about it through tinker_it offering a seat | 17:32 |
| lcuk | im not even sure what next week will bring tho | 17:33 |
| javispedro | ppman: so you're trying to reinvent Mer? | 17:33 |
| lcuk | but i think maemo should be a part of it | 17:33 |
| lcuk | getting some bespoke apps on this platform will be vital | 17:33 |
| ppman | I am a somewhat-active developer of android for the HTC kaiser, and since the whole google legal mess, we're looking in other directions. | 17:33 |
| ppman | javispedro: mer? | 17:33 |
| javispedro | ppman: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 17:33 |
| ppman | I have never heard of that... it's an interesting starting point. | 17:34 |
| lcuk | penguinbait, it would be good for one of us to go and offer maemo.org services to bring together devs and get their apps built | 17:34 |
| ppman | how does it compare to the regular maemo releases? | 17:34 |
| lcuk | this kind of bespoke work was what i did for years | 17:34 |
| javispedro | ppman: true. They have ported the Maemo platform libraries to quite a few devices (SmartQ comes to mind) | 17:34 |
| lcuk | well - i wrote the apps | 17:35 |
| lcuk | but i didnt get involved in business side | 17:35 |
| penguinbait | to target specific apps? | 17:35 |
| lcuk | yeah | 17:35 |
| lcuk | get a few devs together to build their roaming software side using maemo platform | 17:35 |
| lcuk | should get us some cash | 17:36 |
| lcuk | couldnt suggest it before cos maemo wasnt really a mobile platform | 17:36 |
| ppman | javispedro: this definitely looks very nice... | 17:36 |
| lcuk | but having solid connectivity and data entry stuff would be cool | 17:36 |
| lcuk | ie camera | 17:36 |
| ppman | think it would scale down to either QVGA (preferred) or hvga (we can emulate)? | 17:36 |
| lcuk | and most importantly - customization - this platform thrives with it | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | we had it on 640x480 | 17:37 |
| ppman | so regular vga | 17:37 |
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| penguinbait | Man I just want to get one of things in my hands, I feel slightly disappointed in the new device, but have been trying to stay positive until I can review for myself | 17:37 |
| ppman | I think our screen emulation breaks trying to go that high | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | 320x480 is small but new desktop may go that low.. | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | we're from 800x480 world so | 17:38 |
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| ppman | lucky you... :P | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | desktop should scale though | 17:38 |
| ppman | so no chance of native 320x240? | 17:38 |
| RST38h | penguinbait: which device? | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | no idea how apps would react | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | give it a try? | 17:38 |
| penguinbait | n900 | 17:38 |
| RST38h | ah... well, it is a phone, not a tablet | 17:39 |
| ppman | Stskeeps: sure.. | 17:39 |
| RST38h | so, I guess one should use S60 as comparison point rather than N8x0 | 17:39 |
| ppman | that was one of the main problems with android on 320x240 - all the apps were built for 320x480... that's why we built the screen stretch code... | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | ppman: easy way; grab VMDK version, tell virtualbox to use your reso and see how it works | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | or try with Xephyr | 17:40 |
| javispedro | RST38h: problem is I personally don't expect any other "tablet" soon. Then again i'm a pessimist :) | 17:40 |
| penguinbait | I would NEVER buy a nokia phone again, I swore that long ago | 17:40 |
| javispedro | penguinbait: lol. I did the same a decade ago iirc. | 17:40 |
| lcuk | penguinbait, its an internet tablet with a phone app | 17:40 |
| zerojay | RST38h: Gotta disagree with you. Tablet with phone functions. | 17:40 |
| penguinbait | But the n900 is not a normal nokia phone, its running maemo | 17:40 |
| * ppman will buy a n900 if it gets 850/1900MHz 3g... | 17:41 | |
| RST38h | zerojay: I will abstain from arguing until after the summit | 17:41 |
| zerojay | penguinbait: Get your hands on one and I think you'll see a lot of your disappointment disappearing quick, like me. | 17:41 |
| lbt | hey ppman | 17:41 |
| penguinbait | I agree lcuk, I am a little concerned about the screen size of the tablet | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | ppman: #mer's open for all discussion :) | 17:41 |
| penguinbait | I think so zj | 17:41 |
| lcuk | i thought i would be worried | 17:41 |
| lcuk | i draw on everything | 17:41 |
| RST38h | penguinbait: but the screenshots indicate that a lot of effort went into making it behave like S60 | 17:41 |
| lcuk | it very quickly fades | 17:41 |
| Jaffa | Meh, screen size isn't the problem. Battery life might be. | 17:41 |
| zerojay | Agreed. | 17:41 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Nokia isn't the only ompany producing tablets. Also, we have seen the netbook from nokia, so why not the tablet... | 17:41 |
| lbt | was just commenting onat the Android thread on LWN | 17:41 |
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| penguinbait | how did everyone get devices? | 17:42 |
| RST38h | not everyone got devices | 17:42 |
| javispedro | penguinbait: a conspiracy covering all aspects of government | 17:42 |
| lcuk | zerojay, some markets see picking up laptop and trying to take a photo with it as clumsy | 17:42 |
| lbt | penguinbait: they're whores | 17:42 |
| javispedro | penguinbait: a single X-Files episody would not cover enough of this conspiracy | 17:42 |
| zerojay | lcuk: Haha. | 17:42 |
| pupnik_ | i like the way it was handled this time | 17:42 |
| lbt | they sold their souls | 17:42 |
| javispedro | we would need two or thrww season arcs. | 17:42 |
| pupnik_ | quietly | 17:42 |
| penguinbait | perhaps I pissed off Quim one to many times ;) | 17:42 |
| RST38h | penguinbait: You have to sacrifice a virgin to the Baphomet and then serve as Satan's enema for 66 days | 17:42 |
| Jaffa | penguinbait: Device programme will have more info at summit, AIUI | 17:43 |
| zerojay | Yeah.. getting past day 44 was a toughie, but it's all downhill from there. | 17:43 |
| Jaffa | penguinbait: There is a quiet effort to get as many user-facing apps in Extras for launch as possible | 17:43 |
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| Jaffa | Mostly involving big sticks and small carrots | 17:43 |
| penguinbait | Jaffa, this is a great idea, as they have always done this backwards in the past | 17:43 |
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| * pupnik_ knows what his present for quim will be | 17:43 | |
| javispedro | and large whips | 17:44 |
| penguinbait | day 44 heh | 17:44 |
| lcuk | i personally think government intervention to restrict access to bacon would be a better way to get app development moving | 17:44 |
| * lcuk makes a cheat version of grid location | 17:45 | |
| penguinbait | i personally think government intervention to ensure distribution to all would be best | 17:45 |
| Jaffa | Annoying: Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name com.nokia.osso_browser was not provided by any .service files | 17:45 |
| penguinbait | i personally think government intervention to ensure distribution of bacon to all would be best | 17:45 |
| RST38h | penguin: send the marines!!! | 17:45 |
| zerojay | SOCIALISM! | 17:45 |
| lcuk | it would, but people would be busy eating and have greasy fingerprints on their n810s | 17:45 |
| zerojay | lol | 17:45 |
| penguinbait | The marines all have breast cancer | 17:45 |
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| penguinbait | http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september262009/lejeune_breast_cancer_9-26-09.php | 17:46 |
| zerojay | penguinbait: That's what happens when your hazing ritual involves directly pinning medals to each other's chests. Ouch. | 17:46 |
| lcuk | :( every area of the world has problems like that, theres nothing we as tablets users can do in a short time | 17:46 |
| penguinbait | didnt even know men could get breast cancer? | 17:46 |
| lcuk | unless we get them on prescription | 17:46 |
| penguinbait | I called the police last night, a guy was breaking into the drug store next to my house about 2am | 17:47 |
| lcuk | how did you call whilst breaking a window? | 17:48 |
| penguinbait | He's in jail now | 17:48 |
| lcuk | good for you! | 17:48 |
| lcuk | and him | 17:48 |
| penguinbait | It was bullet proof glass, he was trying to smash a block through it, making lots of noise | 17:48 |
| penguinbait | it just kept bouncing off | 17:49 |
| lcuk | doh | 17:49 |
| lcuk | ive seen a vid where they throw bricks at windows and knock each other out | 17:49 |
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| penguinbait | that was my fun for the day, I was all out of breath calling 911 | 17:49 |
| penguinbait | heh | 17:49 |
| penguinbait | looks like voting will get extended until Monday night | 17:51 |
| lcuk | hah | 17:51 |
| lcuk | how are you gonna cope swimming across the atlantic | 17:51 |
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| lcuk | cool, then vote lcuk :D | 17:51 |
| penguinbait | <----- is a good swimmer | 17:51 |
| penguinbait | lots of floating on my back | 17:51 |
| lcuk | i think sharks are better | 17:51 |
| penguinbait | No shark catching this penguin ;) | 17:52 |
| Jaffa | penguinbait: Source? | 17:52 |
| lcuk | 2 different movies | 17:52 |
| lcuk | http://www.break.com/index/brick-hits-theif-in-face.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekIKNt5rZAg | 17:52 |
| penguinbait | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=334724&postcount=4 | 17:52 |
| penguinbait | qgil: pong from Dave. He will be at home soon. He mentioned in SMS that extending the period to Monday night might be the best fix. | 17:52 |
| penguinbait | seems fair to me | 17:53 |
| javispedro | heh. | 17:53 |
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| RST38h | Who came up with this idea of using 48x48 icons for the new app manager? | 17:56 |
| Jaffa | And who came up with the idea of reusing XB-Maemo-Icon-26 for it? | 17:57 |
| * javispedro hides | 17:57 | |
| javispedro | hey! it was you come to think of it! | 17:57 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, someone who wanted an easy way to downgrade | 17:58 |
| lcuk | but who didnt think of the consequences | 17:58 |
| * javispedro votes for breaking all binary and source compatibility NOW at one month left for release. | 17:58 | |
| lcuk | errr upgrade | 17:58 |
| Jaffa | Poor planning originally, should've just been XB-Maemo-Icon ;-) | 17:58 |
| lcuk | how do you know when release is due | 17:58 |
| javispedro | lcuk: i don't. wild guess :) | 17:58 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: Javis did ;) | 17:59 |
| lcuk | i wonder if you will get black helicopters lol | 17:59 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: But that was actually ok, least disturbance | 17:59 |
| RST38h | My problem is that I had 26/40/64 icons and will now render the 48 one | 18:00 |
| javispedro | fortunately 48x48 is a more standard size | 18:00 |
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| RST38h | javis: Not for Maemo =) | 18:02 |
| slonopotamus | can't it just automagically calculate iicon size from field length? | 18:02 |
| slonopotamus | assuming icon is square | 18:02 |
| Jaffa | slonopotamus: It does. | 18:02 |
| slonopotamus | Jaffa, does it scale? | 18:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha! We now one more day to finish up taking over the council for life! | 18:03 |
| Jaffa | slonopotamus: Diablo's HAM will downscale a 48x48 icon to 26x26 for rendering. Fremantle's HAM will downsample a 64x64 icon for rendering at 48x48. Neither will upscale. | 18:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Keep the working man down! | 18:03 |
| RST38h | slono: But how many different icons can be there? | 18:03 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, just one. put 256x256 there and be happy :) | 18:03 |
| RST38h | General: Deploy the Doomsday Weapon NOW | 18:04 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Quick, let's create a Mer section (which I can't do, as I'm not a mod); and then rename Mer whilst Stskeeps isn't looking. Just to serve everyone right. Then, we can take control of maemo.org and keep being berated for life! Woohoo! | 18:04 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: I'm saving it for later | 18:04 |
| RST38h | slono: Bitmaps scale up/down badly | 18:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Let's rename it N900! | 18:04 |
| * RST38h screams SVG! and hides | 18:04 | |
| Jaffa | I've got to put it off for a day now | 18:04 |
| RST38h | (remembering what SVG support has done to S60) | 18:04 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, then throw it away and usr svg | 18:04 |
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| slonopotamus | s/usr/use/ | 18:04 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: RST38h, then throw it away and use svg | 18:04 |
| Corsac | screaming “SVG!” might be a little weird | 18:04 |
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| slonopotamus | Corsac, vector graphics can't be 'weird' | 18:05 |
| RST38h | slono: performance problems | 18:05 |
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| slonopotamus | RST38h, ... | 18:05 |
| RST38h | slono: When S60e3 started using svg, the ui slowed down to a crawl | 18:05 |
| javispedro | adopt the Haiku icon format. | 18:06 |
| slonopotamus | fsck /dev/hands | 18:06 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: lol | 18:06 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Everyone should add a gtk-icon-cache-svg-prerender to the end of their postinsts. That'd save it | 18:06 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Yea, I guess so | 18:07 |
| Corsac | slonopotamus: screaming consonnes is | 18:07 |
| Jaffa | Of course, I'd rather the system did things like that (and the other things we have to do), automatically. Especially since the existing approach has always been a bit buggy | 18:07 |
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| lcuk | svg is heavywegith | 18:08 |
| javispedro | Jaffa: that svg-prerender is quite a nice idea | 18:08 |
| lcuk | especailly cos people expect mini monal lisas to work | 18:08 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Indeed | 18:08 |
| javispedro | and what I am doing at debian package build time with some programs | 18:08 |
| lcuk | god my typing is awful | 18:08 |
| lcuk | i need a secretary | 18:09 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: lcuk's right though - a 256x256 SVG has to be carefully designed to look reasonable at 26x26 (although 48x48 gives more room) | 18:09 |
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| lcuk | or pa | 18:09 |
| lcuk | damn i shouldv gone to london fashion week | 18:09 |
| javispedro | Jaffa: true. but then, I have mini svg versions (for rendering up until 24x24) | 18:09 |
| javispedro | and normal svg versions for rest of sizes. | 18:09 |
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| Jaffa | javispedro: Good plan | 18:09 |
| javispedro | still, mini look a bit weird, but with such a high DPI... | 18:10 |
| lcuk | svg needs quality rendering | 18:10 |
| lcuk | liqbase manages it - alter the level of detail based on size | 18:10 |
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| slonopotamus | Jaffa, '256X256 svg' doesn't make sense | 18:11 |
| lcuk | ie, dont waste tonnes of time rendering pretty pretty in 12*12 | 18:11 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, you can base your svg on an idealsize | 18:11 |
| lcuk | it makes sense to actually | 18:11 |
| lcuk | scaling svg is similar to font hinting | 18:12 |
| Jaffa | slonopotamus: I know (although, you can provide size hints in the root node). But I was primarily using it as a shortcut for "an SVG file designed to look reasonable when rendered at 256x256px at a 'normal' PPI screen [..." | 18:12 |
| slonopotamus | Jaffa, nits have far from normal ppi | 18:12 |
| lcuk | jaffa, hows your dayjob release coming along | 18:12 |
| slonopotamus | actually those icons just introduce one more pain at repackaging. | 18:13 |
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| lcuk | always | 18:14 |
| lcuk | packaging IS a pain | 18:14 |
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| slonopotamus | lcuk, in maemo? :) | 18:14 |
| lcuk | in general lol | 18:14 |
| lcuk | but at least on windows i have a nice gui and autoscanner available | 18:14 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Release done. Public announcement on Thursday (http://www.chpconsulting.com/) | 18:15 |
| Jaffa | slonopotamus: Yeah, but either way - the icon is being shown at 26x26 (or 48x48) on /that/ PPI scren | 18:15 |
| lcuk | good :) | 18:15 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, you're forcing me to go offtopic :) | 18:16 |
| lcuk | not really | 18:16 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, packaging isn't hard in gentoo | 18:16 |
| lcuk | just pointing out that its "easier" elsewhere | 18:16 |
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| Jaffa | lo konttori | 18:16 |
| lcuk | hey konttori | 18:17 |
| slonopotamus | argh | 18:17 |
| * lcuk is being followed by magicbacon | 18:17 | |
| slonopotamus | i forgot, who wrote pygtkeditor? | 18:17 |
| lcuk | khertan is principle guy | 18:18 |
| slonopotamus | right | 18:18 |
| slonopotamus | 2.4.3-1 is totally broken | 18:19 |
| lcuk | and hes not here lol | 18:19 |
| lcuk | whats the boggle | 18:19 |
| lcuk | yikes | 18:19 |
| lcuk | which platform | 18:19 |
| lcuk | and whats up | 18:19 |
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| slonopotamus | 'GtkWidget.remove_mnemonic_label() takes exactly 1 argument (0 given)' on any file open | 18:20 |
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| slonopotamus | how i downgrade it now? | 18:22 |
| lcuk | yikes | 18:23 |
| lcuk | just a mo | 18:23 |
| lcuk | are you on diablo | 18:23 |
| slonopotamus | in context of pygtkeditor - yep | 18:23 |
| lcuk | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/p/pygtkeditor/ | 18:23 |
| lcuk | i think you can specify version from apt somehow too | 18:23 |
| slonopotamus | how i tell apt-get to install specific version? | 18:23 |
| lcuk | but i dunno | 18:23 |
| lcuk | someone else will know | 18:24 |
| lcuk | hey guys.. | 18:24 |
| javispedro | apt-get install package=version | 18:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | slonopotamus: apt-get install package=version | 18:24 |
| javispedro | heh. | 18:24 |
| slonopotamus | ah, = | 18:24 |
| * lcuk smiles | 18:24 | |
| lcuk | ta | 18:24 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12_N810, thanks | 18:24 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, and happily the directory list i pointed to shows all versions | 18:25 |
| lcuk | do you have to uninstall the old one first | 18:25 |
| javispedro | lcuk: no | 18:25 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, apt-get is easier :) | 18:25 |
| lcuk | or will asking for a specific do it for you | 18:25 |
| lcuk | easier but more hidden as to the usage | 18:25 |
| lcuk | its like blind dialing | 18:26 |
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| lcuk | gimme a gui and let me decide slowly | 18:26 |
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| slonopotamus | apt-cache policy to list available versions, then apt-get install with specific version. the only thing i forgot was '=' separator | 18:26 |
| lcuk | the UI on the phone system in work is awful in this regard - you press numbers and function keys, but the entire device times out after 5 seconds and resets to front menu | 18:27 |
| lcuk | so i am forever typing half a number, looking over at the rest and then getting back and its gone | 18:27 |
| javispedro | lol. | 18:27 |
| * lcuk rages often bout daft things like that | 18:27 | |
| * javispedro sends death rays to whoever decided that | 18:28 | |
| * lcuk nods | 18:28 | |
| jaska | what does that? | 18:28 |
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| lcuk | physical phone system at work | 18:28 |
| jaska | lol | 18:28 |
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| * lcuk wont miss it | 18:29 | |
| lcuk | 3 days to go! | 18:29 |
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| * lcuk is really crapping pants | 18:29 | |
| lcuk | but i still dont like the phone | 18:29 |
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| wazd | Lcuk: oh, you have work now, congrats) | 18:29 |
| lcuk | no wazd, i have the end of my notice period | 18:30 |
| * lcuk will have to put his energies to job hunting in 3 days | 18:30 | |
| javispedro | what's the difference between gconf schemas and gconf defaults (i mean, i can put defaults in both)? where can I read more about that? | 18:31 |
| lcuk | well - non maemo job hunting | 18:31 |
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| RST38h | javis: Schema defines the tree structure | 18:33 |
| RST38h | javis: And MAY (but does not have to) contain the defaults | 18:33 |
| javispedro | RST38h: so its just a way to separate them, and nothing more? | 18:34 |
| RST38h | guess so | 18:34 |
| javispedro | i'm thinking about how to handle diablo defaults and fremantle defaults | 18:34 |
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| javispedro | aw | 18:36 |
| javispedro | n810 doesn't have update-gconf-defaults | 18:36 |
| javispedro | thus I guess i was wasting my time :P | 18:36 |
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| konttori | are the bluez dbus methods available somewhere? | 18:38 |
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| Jaffa | Yay! It's working from both Facebook *and* Twitter. | 18:38 |
| RST38h | Any deb packaging experts here? | 18:38 |
| konttori | I wanted to get wiicontrol updated to fremantle, but fremantle has apparently (surprise surprise ) an API break in there. | 18:38 |
| Jaffa | Picture for Gary Birkett is [http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/106703019/lcuk_avatar_normal.jpg] | 18:39 |
| lcuk | konttori, mmm we have accelerometer built in ;) | 18:39 |
| Jaffa | ^^^ lcuk :) | 18:39 |
| Jaffa | Updating photo for Gary Birkett | 18:39 |
| lcuk | o rly | 18:39 |
| lcuk | which did u have before | 18:39 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Accelerometers do suck for classic gaming =( | 18:39 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: none :) | 18:40 |
| konttori | lcuk: I was looking for drnoksnes to be useful with wiicontroller | 18:40 |
| Jaffa | konttori: That'd be cool | 18:40 |
| lcuk | thats what keesj's nbutton push! project is for | 18:40 |
| konttori | as then I could just hook up my n900 to my projector and continue gaming on there. | 18:40 |
| javispedro | konttori: :) btw, I remember not getting any keypress while pressing the wiimote B button | 18:40 |
| lcuk | solution: buy more n900s | 18:40 |
| konttori | also, we could easily have 2 player gaming that way | 18:40 |
| javispedro | does that ring any bell or is me being an stupid :P ? | 18:40 |
| lcuk | console AND controllers ;) | 18:40 |
| konttori | javispedro: that's easy to fix. | 18:41 |
| * RST38h needs to know if the "debian/files" file needs to be present | 18:41 | |
| RST38h | Or if it is created automagically when packaging | 18:41 |
| konttori | the buttons were handled as key press events, but they could be ported to be kb down, kb up events as well | 18:41 |
| javispedro | RST38h: created by some of the late stage dh_somethings | 18:41 |
| RST38h | javis: Goooooooooooooood | 18:41 |
| konttori | I *think* direction buttons already worked like that | 18:41 |
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| RST38h | konttori: Up/Down is of course more preferable | 18:42 |
| RST38h | konttori: ï¡ÿÿÿan't do much with keypresses in gaming | 18:42 |
| lcuk | o_O | 18:42 |
| Jaffa | Perfect. Happy day for Hermes. | 18:42 |
| javispedro | I'll have to test again. | 18:43 |
| pupnik_ | what'd you get, Jaffa | 18:43 |
| VDVsx | konttori, http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/bluez/ | 18:47 |
| konttori | thanks | 18:47 |
| VDVsx | konttori, I'm not a bluez guru, but can give you some tips, if you need ;) | 18:48 |
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| konttori | VDVsx: thanks. Is ListDevices the same as the old DiscoverDevices? | 18:51 |
| Jaffa | pupnik_: Lots of photos in Contacts. Now just to do birthdays and a quick GUI. | 18:53 |
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| VDVsx | konttori, yes, if you are referring to Adapter -> ListDevices | 18:54 |
| konttori | yeah | 18:54 |
| konttori | So nice of them to rename the method | 18:55 |
| RST38h | Why does set OSNAME=Maemo5;echo $OïÿSNAME prints empty string??? | 18:56 |
| derf | $OïÿSNAME ? | 18:56 |
| ShadowJK | I would guess the ïÿ between O and S in OSNAME ;) | 18:57 |
| javispedro | $ set OSNAME=Maemo5; echo $OSNAME --> WORKSFORME | 18:57 |
| javispedro | hum | 18:57 |
| javispedro | ash doesn't like set though. | 18:57 |
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| VDVsx | konttori, almost everything d-bus related changed in bluez4 :( | 18:57 |
| javispedro | so just drop it. | 18:57 |
| konttori | crap | 18:58 |
| RST38h | derf,ShadowJK: typo, it was $OSNAME, still did not work | 19:00 |
| VDVsx | konttori, there's a couple of useful python test scripts using the all API inside the bluez tarball, may be handy if you are using python ;) | 19:00 |
| derf | RST38h: What shell? | 19:00 |
| RST38h | derf: let us say bash | 19:00 |
| RST38h | (same in sh, but with less diagnostics) | 19:00 |
| derf | RST38h: You want "export". | 19:01 |
| derf | Or drop "set" and just do the assignment. | 19:02 |
| RST38h | derf: Understood | 19:02 |
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| konttori | VDVsx: thanks. And yeah. I am. Just need to take care of the baby at the same time, so can do probably 3 lines of change tonight. | 19:03 |
| VDVsx | konttori, good luck then ;) | 19:04 |
| konttori | thanks. I think the equivalent to old discoverdevices is startdiscovery | 19:05 |
| VDVsx | konttori, yeah, you are right, misread :(, the other one is to find the devices that you have plugged in your system, in Bluez4 you need to specify the path of the device you want to use | 19:10 |
| VDVsx | one line in the bluez3 turns into something like this in bluez4: | 19:11 |
| VDVsx | manager = dbus.Interface(self.bus.get_object("org.bluez", "/"),"org.bluez.Manager") | 19:11 |
| VDVsx | path = manager.DefaultAdapter() | 19:11 |
| VDVsx | adapter = dbus.Interface(self.bus.get_object("org.bluez", path),"org.bluez.Adapter") | 19:11 |
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| RST38h | derf: Yea, it worked. Thanks! | 19:12 |
| derf | Yer welcome. | 19:13 |
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| derf | set with no option flags, in bash, is used for setting positional parameters. | 19:13 |
| derf | (e.g., $1, $2, etc.) | 19:13 |
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| penguinbait | unixSnob - I like it | 19:18 |
| RST38h | Hmmmm...Weird | 19:19 |
| RST38h | deb packager always creates *_armel.deb file for me | 19:20 |
| RST38h | no matter what I do | 19:20 |
| RST38h | where does _armel come from? | 19:20 |
| derf | I gave up trying to figure out the Debian package manager. | 19:20 |
| Corsac | RST38h: from the arch | 19:20 |
| javispedro | RST38h: debian/contron | 19:21 |
| javispedro | RST38h: debian/control | 19:21 |
| derf | "You are in a dark, nested hierarchy of undocumented scripts, all alike." | 19:21 |
| javispedro | You're eaten by a grue, no matter what man page you read. | 19:21 |
| Corsac | undocumented scripts? | 19:21 |
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| lardman | evening all | 19:25 |
| javispedro | hi lardman | 19:25 |
| lardman | hi javispedro | 19:25 |
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| RST38h | javis, Corsac: which field? | 19:26 |
| javispedro | RST38h: file debian/control, search for "Architecture" | 19:26 |
| Corsac | afaik it comes from the dpkg architecture :) | 19:26 |
| javispedro | a | 19:27 |
| Corsac | (check the output of dpkg-architecture) | 19:27 |
| javispedro | i misunderstood the problem I guess. | 19:27 |
| lbt | is voting still down? | 19:29 |
| RST38h | javis: Ack. | 19:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lbt, Dave fixed it. | 19:31 |
| lbt | cool | 19:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eldar needs to grow up. | 19:32 |
| RST38h | Not only him though | 19:33 |
| javispedro | quite a funny thread | 19:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Would be funnier if it weren't so pathetic. | 19:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=334767&postcount=505 | 19:34 |
| javispedro | wtf is going up there | 19:34 |
| javispedro | page 49 is awful | 19:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean, really, get over yourself. | 19:34 |
| javispedro | close the fscking thread already. page 49 reminds me of certain EA games forum. | 19:35 |
| javispedro | why don't lolcats in the next page surprise me? | 19:35 |
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| RST38h | pathetic is fine | 19:38 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: What I posted to that thread isn't towards you, btw | 19:38 |
| RST38h | as long as it is funny | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, lies! You're out to get me and I know it! | 19:39 |
| zerojay | lol | 19:39 |
| zerojay | The maemo gestapo. | 19:39 |
| zerojay | lol | 19:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, unfortunately I can't help but get sinking feelings about the wider ramifications. | 19:39 |
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| javispedro | heh. true. | 19:40 |
| javispedro | well. this is what we get. | 19:40 |
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| * javispedro wonders if the usual "well, grab the source and fix it yourself" std answer will work now | 19:42 | |
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| Myrtti | {{sofixit}} | 19:42 |
| RST38h | General: Like "99% of everything is shit"? | 19:44 |
| RST38h | javis: Actually, the correct answer is "Eldar, if you have such high expectations of Maemo, why not post your concrete ideas on Brainstorm?" | 19:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, like, "this prick is now going to go spread around how much he thinks we suck" | 19:44 |
| penguinbait | I thought I was 98% water, not I need to re-evaluate my world? | 19:45 |
| RST38h | General: Ah, screw him. | 19:45 |
| penguinbait | s/not/now | 19:45 |
| Myrtti | penguinbait: poke your finger into it and witness how much of shit is water | 19:45 |
| derf | GeneralAntilles: Most people have pretty good moron detectors. | 19:45 |
| Myrtti | no wait, don't | 19:45 |
| RST38h | penguin: just upgrade to liquishit. | 19:45 |
| * jmc93739653 is away: Away | 19:45 | |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: same though. | 19:45 |
| penguinbait | Can we remove the "well respected" part from the thread at this point? | 19:45 |
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| javispedro | lol. | 19:45 |
| derf | It helps that morons make themselves easy to spot. | 19:45 |
| RST38h | derf: Yes, but how ar eyou gonna dispose of the bodies? | 19:46 |
| penguinbait | pigs | 19:46 |
| penguinbait | find a pig farmer ;) | 19:46 |
| derf | My cousin owns a meat-packing plant. | 19:46 |
| * qwerty12_N810 has an incinerator that is often used for this purpose, RST38h | 19:47 | |
| RST38h | Eh | 19:47 |
| penguinbait | hamburger? | 19:47 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, thats the first ever time i have seen you swear :O | 19:47 |
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| penguinbait | Eh? is RST Canadian? | 19:47 |
| * lcuk is thankful he kept away from that thread | 19:47 | |
| RST38h | Ok, at this moment I do not understand how people make deb packager create them a package with _fremantle0 or _chinook1 in its name | 19:47 |
| zerojay | penguinbait: Nope. | 19:47 |
| * RST38h adopts and reuses, just like MS | 19:48 | |
| javispedro | wow. | 19:48 |
| javispedro | I never though of that problem | 19:48 |
| lcuk | RST38h, look at how liqbase splits packaging into different pieces | 19:48 |
| lcuk | libs need standard + -dev etc | 19:48 |
| penguinbait | where are you zj? | 19:48 |
| javispedro | lcuk: not the same problem | 19:48 |
| lcuk | you choose the files in each branch and there can be overlap | 19:48 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: I've never heard of him before, and I'm sure after all this, I'll never hear of him again. lol | 19:49 |
| zerojay | penguinbait: Candadia. | 19:49 |
| javispedro | hm. sorry lcuk, yes, your suggestion is valid. | 19:49 |
| * zerojay is *.ca | 19:49 | |
| javispedro | well | 19:49 |
| penguinbait | I know CA, but where | 19:49 |
| zerojay | Oh. | 19:49 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, then its the communities job to show him its not | 19:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn typos. | 19:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, no, it's not. | 19:49 |
| lcuk | not by waffling on a thread | 19:49 |
| javispedro | only if you can build multiple versions inside the same sbox.. | 19:49 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I just need one package | 19:49 |
| javispedro | which I'd guess not. | 19:49 |
| zerojay | I'm in Quebec City right now, though moving to Halifax to start a new office for my company in about a month. | 19:49 |
| lcuk | but by seeing and feeling and using and interacting with device | 19:49 |
| RST38h | Gentlemen, you worry too much about a simple hack, even a notorious one. | 19:49 |
| lcuk | RST38h, you said 2 packages from same source | 19:49 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: it's part of the Ubuntu IRC indoctrination | 19:50 |
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| Myrtti | lcuk: in reality I swear like a pirate | 19:50 |
| javispedro | 2 packages which need diferent sbox target. | 19:50 |
| RST38h | He liked Maemo. Then he went on a sponsored trip to Korea, liked sponsored trips and now he dismisses Maemo. | 19:50 |
| mcherm | Hi. I have an N810 and have a problem with updates (because I am both ignorant and cursed with regard to Linux package management!). Is this the right place to come for help? | 19:50 |
| penguinbait | Qole's in BC right? | 19:50 |
| lcuk | ahhh to get your pass, you are placed in random chans lol | 19:50 |
| lcuk | im quite certain hes not a time traveller | 19:50 |
| RST38h | When pressed for details, he first says that Maemo is "unstable", then quickly turns to the lack of portrait mode and MMS, and he is currently bitching about missing voice control and Java | 19:51 |
| javispedro | RST38h: I'd say the only way is to dch -v into the choosen "version" then build. | 19:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | ohgod | 19:51 |
| RST38h | javis: Oh | 19:51 |
| frals | didnt someone say the thing he found unstable was 3g calls on korean 3g networks? | 19:51 |
| javispedro | RST38h: i don't know how the rest of non-free packages do it, sorry | 19:51 |
| RST38h | frals: Yea, he said | 19:51 |
| * GeneralAntilles just deleted everything in his mailbox more than 1 day old. | 19:51 | |
| zerojay | penguinbait: I'm not sure, but I think so. | 19:51 |
| RST38h | javis: I do not even know how free packages do it...weird | 19:52 |
| javispedro | RST38h: I do not. | 19:52 |
| javispedro | since the autobuilder classifies them in the right repo | 19:52 |
| RST38h | ah | 19:52 |
| javispedro | so you get really 3 packages with the same name and same version | 19:52 |
| javispedro | and you pray nobody pulls the fremantle package from the fremantle repo into a n810 ;) | 19:52 |
| RST38h | frals: But then, my S60e3 E70 reboots every time I try using GPRS at a certain spot of the road to work | 19:52 |
| Firebird | the government is on to you | 19:53 |
| frals | nice feature ;) | 19:53 |
| RST38h | frals: Probably a pair of faulty ground stations or something. So, what's new? | 19:53 |
| penguinbait | so where is a good place for Maemo Summit 2010? Windsor, Toronto, Winnipeg, somewhere in the middle of CA | 19:53 |
| javispedro | Antarctica. | 19:53 |
| javispedro | oh wait, I've gone through this already :D | 19:54 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Somalia. I need a new AK-47. | 19:54 |
| zerojay | Gonna be expensive to ship all the european guys over.. probably much more so than just getting us NA people across the pond. | 19:54 |
| Myrtti | I need a pink hello kitty emp | 19:54 |
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| penguinbait | You could here to Flint, Michigan, but bring your AK-47, youll need it | 19:54 |
| Myrtti | I think maemo should have an app for emulating it | 19:54 |
| mcherm | So anyhow, my problem is when I use AppManager to try to upgrade OS2008 it says "Unable to install, some required pkgs are missing". Missing pkg is "pre-installed-documentation-rx44 (= 5.4)" What does that mean and how do I fix or ignore it? | 19:54 |
| Myrtti | like there's a gun app for iphone | 19:55 |
| lcuk | mcherm, go into your repository management | 19:55 |
| lcuk | and make sure you have the standard maemo repositories enabled | 19:55 |
| lcuk | and disable others | 19:55 |
| lcuk | just a mo, ill try to find repo list, unless someone knows | 19:55 |
| penguinbait | murder rate here is 3x the national average | 19:56 |
| mcherm | Myrtti: thanks. That's the "Tools > Application Catalog" in "Application Manager" right? | 19:56 |
| Myrtti | *blink* | 19:57 |
| javispedro | penguinbait: hey, that's good actually. no need to warn the police before the summit, they're already used to the high crime rates. | 19:57 |
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| mcherm | penguinbait: wow. Do you wear kevlar? *wink* | 19:58 |
| lcuk | mcherm, hes just not been caught yet :O | 19:58 |
| penguinbait | No but I can jump on the pavement quickly | 19:58 |
| mcherm | lcuk: LOL! | 19:58 |
| zerojay | Uh.. Eldar's site is http://mobile-review.ru/, right? | 19:59 |
| javispedro | times change. | 19:59 |
| javispedro | so instead of the über ogg support bug, | 19:59 |
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| javispedro | we get the über portrait support thread. | 19:59 |
| derf | javispedro: Yeah, my city is no longer murder capital of the world. | 19:59 |
| zerojay | Firefox is reporting it as an attack site now. | 19:59 |
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| zerojay | Oh, nevermind... that's not it. | 20:00 |
| javispedro | zerojay: I disabled that freacking list the second day | 20:00 |
| Myrtti | *yawn* | 20:00 |
| frals | im trying to figure out how to propose MMS support as an brainstorm idea, but i find it kinda hard to put it as something more than a 1 solution idea, ie "implement it" : | 20:01 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, can you knit bacon | 20:01 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: I can't even look at bacon without being sick nowadays | 20:01 |
| lcuk | :( | 20:01 |
| Myrtti | apart from Jono Bacon | 20:01 |
| Myrtti | *drool* | 20:01 |
| Myrtti | *cough* | 20:01 |
| RST38h | frals: Problem: "Can't send MMS messages from N900" -- Solution: "Implement MMS support in Fremantle" | 20:01 |
| derf | What if it's taped to a cat? | 20:01 |
| javispedro | frals: nokia implement it from scratch, reuse mms stack from X project, community implement it from scratch. | 20:01 |
| javispedro | i've seen those three somewhere else | 20:01 |
| ShadowJK | frals: you could split it up | 20:01 |
| penguinbait | is he Alf? | 20:01 |
| RST38h | javis: Please, make space for the "Just screw it" solution | 20:02 |
| lcuk | community helps me support postcards, we have a destination as a contact | 20:02 |
| lcuk | bish bash bosh | 20:02 |
| * lcuk waves hands to the nokia network engineers who would supply the messaging api | 20:02 | |
| javispedro | RST38h: that's actually "hands down", which I plan to do. | 20:03 |
| ShadowJK | frals: there's like.. implement parsing of sms messages for the metadata, implement WAP transport and opening up of separate APNs... implement a WML browser.. | 20:03 |
| frals | thanks for the input, :D | 20:03 |
| RST38h | zerojay: English version at mobile-review.com | 20:03 |
| mcherm | lcuk: I've been trying it again with everything disabled but the standard repo. Seems to be doing something, which is progress! | 20:03 |
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| * lcuk curses non trusted repositories | 20:04 | |
| frals | on the other hand i think it would get more "mainstream" attention to post it as one idea, and then the actual implementation of wap transport/sms parsing could be decided later | 20:05 |
| javispedro | yeah, I would for now keep the thing more "high level" | 20:05 |
| RST38h | Ahhahaha | 20:05 |
| * RST38h rotfls | 20:05 | |
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| RST38h | At the mobile-review forum, they are filing for remote device access at Nokia to find how it feels | 20:05 |
| javispedro | url. | 20:06 |
| javispedro | :P | 20:06 |
| RST38h | all in russian | 20:06 |
| javispedro | :P | 20:06 |
| RST38h | And they all seem to be pretty optimistic, so I guess the FUD did not quite work | 20:07 |
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| javispedro | well. | 20:07 |
| zerojay | RDA rocks. | 20:08 |
| lcuk | good! rst, now we just need to get the rest of the local mob | 20:08 |
| mcherm | lcuk: yes, that worked. Thanks so much: it seems like an obvious solution but somehow I still hadn't thought of it. | 20:08 |
| frals | btw - is the messaging ui/related stuff open? | 20:08 |
| * GeneralAntilles can't believe he just nuked 3000+ emails. | 20:08 | |
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| lardman | ~lart videorate | 20:08 |
| * infobot blames videorate for all the evil in the world | 20:08 | |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, rly | 20:08 |
| lcuk | :( lardman | 20:09 |
| * lcuk gets simon a bacon butty | 20:09 | |
| lardman | mmmm :) | 20:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't believe it defaults to ANY instead of ALL when doing mail rulse. | 20:09 |
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| * GeneralAntilles <- dumb, dumb, dumb. | 20:09 | |
| lcuk | restore the .pst file from local backup | 20:10 |
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| lardman | hmm, how do I build gst videorate I wonder....? | 20:10 |
| lcuk | video rate used to just be a setting | 20:10 |
| lcuk | isnt it the case | 20:10 |
| lardman | the v4l2 src won't accept anything under 8fps | 20:11 |
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| lardman | God only knows how the Makefile is supposed to work | 20:11 |
| lcuk | lardman, the n810 camera didnt either | 20:11 |
| lardman | yeah, this is the N800 | 20:11 |
| lcuk | none of them do | 20:11 |
| lcuk | i think its cos of the bitbucketing and over exposure issues | 20:12 |
| lcuk | cos at 8fps its almost a night camera | 20:12 |
| lardman | anyway, libdmtx clobbers the framerate quite seriously, and as I can't work out how to drop frames, I thought using the videorate plugin would do the job | 20:12 |
| lcuk | ahhh in your pipeline | 20:12 |
| SpeedEvil | The cameras of this sort have no shutter. They output to the SoC as they finish exposing. | 20:12 |
| SpeedEvil | the edge of the rolling shutter is output to the SoC | 20:13 |
| zerojay | frals: Messaging is all handled by Telepathy and yes, that's all open. | 20:13 |
| frals | cool, ty | 20:13 |
| zerojay | Well... as far as I know anyways. I kind of wonder if the Skype plugin is or not. | 20:13 |
| lardman | Annoyingly the gstreamer pipeline gets backed up | 20:13 |
| lcuk | you are running in 640*480? | 20:13 |
| lardman | I'd have thought it would just drop frames, but no | 20:14 |
| lardman | nah, 320x240 | 20:14 |
| lcuk | yeah | 20:14 |
| lcuk | thats how i ran in lb | 20:14 |
| lcuk | still shocked its still backing up | 20:14 |
| frals | so, if i were to post a thread about this brainstorm idea for discussion, should i put it in community, n900 or maemo5? | 20:14 |
| derf | lardman: Normally people want to _avoid_ dropping frames. | 20:14 |
| lcuk | is it the parse stage | 20:14 |
| lardman | derf: yeah | 20:14 |
| lardman | it's the libdmtx decoder which is slow | 20:14 |
| lcuk | c lib? | 20:15 |
| lardman | yep | 20:15 |
| lardman | fp too though | 20:15 |
| lcuk | when you send it the data | 20:15 |
| lcuk | can you alter the stride of the bitmap | 20:15 |
| * RST38h is more interested in ICQ support for Messaging | 20:15 | |
| lcuk | to skip alternate lines | 20:15 |
| RST38h | I mean, this thing may not have MMS or portrait, and nobody would give a shit | 20:15 |
| lardman | perhaps, but that won't help much with a 2D barcode | 20:15 |
| RST38h | But if it has no support for ICQ, Russians will be severely pissed | 20:15 |
| lcuk | no you are right | 20:15 |
| lcuk | and at 320 its not really practical | 20:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Everyone that is not from Russia is not :p | 20:15 |
| derf | 320x240 is already pretty small. | 20:16 |
| lardman | the other option is to lower the pri of the thread it runs in | 20:16 |
| lardman | derf: yeah, their code is just quite slow ~0.5/s scan | 20:16 |
| lcuk | yikes! | 20:16 |
| lardman | and the camera is outputting 8fps | 20:16 |
| derf | lardman: Can't you just only hand it a frame when it's done scanning the last one? | 20:16 |
| lcuk | you need a prefilter section realistically | 20:16 |
| RST38h | qwerty: yea, but we are talking of eldar and people who read his russian site | 20:16 |
| lardman | derf: that's what I have atm, but the thread it runs in is the same pri as the main thread, it slows everything down still | 20:17 |
| derf | I mean, what's to stop you from doing the dropping yourself? | 20:17 |
| lcuk | does qr have recognisable things | 20:17 |
| derf | lcuk: Yes. | 20:17 |
| lcuk | like standard has a white boundary and guard bars in the middle | 20:17 |
| lardman | yeah QR works very nicely, and quickly, thanks derf | 20:17 |
| derf | Datamatrix is a PITA to find. | 20:17 |
| lcuk | something that can be scanned and checked | 20:17 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: you managed to sort my dialog problem yet? ;) | 20:17 |
| lcuk | and only pass the rectangle with possible barcode in | 20:17 |
| * Firebird can't determine what is being discussed but is assuming its about scanning barcodes with a camera | 20:17 | |
| lardman | indeed | 20:17 |
| RST38h | Last stupid question about packaging: Anyone has a sample postinst script for Fremantle? | 20:18 |
| lardman | does anyone know about pthread priorities? | 20:18 |
| lcuk | RST38h, liqtorch has a pretty clean one which makes sure icon etc is there | 20:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, now Reggie needs to close the thread. | 20:18 |
| RST38h | lcuk: pastebin? =) | 20:18 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: why do you think I'd be able to sort it? Besides, having a fun (read: shitter of a) time with GObject... | 20:19 |
| javispedro | RST38h: fremantle should just need gtk-update-icon-cache and that's about it. | 20:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: To do what exactly? | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's funny that he things the nutjobs that came swarming out of the woodwork to comment in that thread are the most active ones. | 20:19 |
| lardman | I thought you may have chanced upon the problem... ;) | 20:19 |
| lardman | solution even! | 20:19 |
| Firebird | GeneralAntilles, what thread | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=334800#post334800 | 20:19 |
| Firebird | oh | 20:19 |
| lcuk | RST38h, http://github.com/lcuk/liqbase-playground/blob/master/liqpostcard/debian/postinst | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good riddance to bad rubbish. | 20:20 |
| RST38h | thanks =) | 20:20 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: kill the thread! | 20:20 |
| RST38h | General: I do suggest archiving it | 20:20 |
| javispedro | I would plainly delete it, but they would just recreate it. | 20:20 |
| lcuk | hold on | 20:20 |
| RST38h | General: Eldar has been spilling so much crap there that it is a shame to lose all this possible blackmail material =) | 20:20 |
| lcuk | that shouldnt work | 20:20 |
| lcuk | http://github.com/lcuk/liqbase-playground/blob/master/debian/postinst | 20:20 |
| lcuk | thats a more filled up one | 20:21 |
| lcuk | with lots of checks and a working icon install bit | 20:21 |
| lcuk | thanks to qwerty the great | 20:21 |
| javispedro | lcuk: but you're doing quite a chunk of work | 20:21 |
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| javispedro | a typical app does need only the icon cache call. | 20:21 |
| RST38h | lcuk: This isn't sufficient :( I also need to update mime types etc | 20:21 |
| lcuk | ahhh RST38h | 20:21 |
| RST38h | clear gconf entries too | 20:21 |
| lcuk | even more stuff | 20:21 |
| javispedro | RST38h: that would be prerm? | 20:22 |
| javispedro | or postrm purge | 20:22 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Your Diablo postinst should suffice; just make sure you don't call maemo-select-menu-location anymore | 20:22 |
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| lcuk | what a cool picture. http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=40100 | 20:23 |
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| lardman | random questions: thread priorities are higher with lower numerical values? | 20:24 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 20:24 |
| lardman | ok | 20:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, analyst's could do with some accountability. | 20:24 |
| lardman | well I'll try chopping 1 off the current thread pri and see if that improves matters | 20:25 |
| lardman | bbiam | 20:25 |
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| RST38h | General: He is a hack, first of all | 20:27 |
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| RST38h | General: Of course he calls himself "analyst", but that is like a whore calling herself "geisha" | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | True. | 20:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | But I've yet to see an analyst who isn't a hack. | 20:29 |
| RST38h | That too :) | 20:29 |
| ShadowJK | Analysts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Itanium_Sales_Forecasts_edit.png | 20:30 |
| frals | need some input on this; Brainstorm MMS Support http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32129 | 20:30 |
| frals | good/bad/go back to bed? ;) | 20:30 |
| RST38h | Ah, the Itanic | 20:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | frals, need to find somebody with some technical information. | 20:30 |
| javispedro | heh. | 20:30 |
| RST38h | People who know how MMS work have all ben institutionalized by now | 20:31 |
| glass_ | frals: having worked on some mms related stuff, let nokia do it :D.. or find someone willing to lose their brains | 20:31 |
| RST38h | Depression, panic attacks, paranoia | 20:31 |
| RST38h | So, it is all legacy code now =) | 20:31 |
| * Myrtti yawns | 20:31 | |
| javispedro | lol | 20:32 |
| frals | yeah i looked at the spec the other day, and i really understood why they didnt do it right away, if ever :P | 20:32 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, Well, it starts by people wondering "How to get internets on phone lol?", someone suggested "Maybe we could take a subset of html?", then a comittee said "stfu noob, we must design an entirely new mobile internet, no HTML allowed!", then the comittee began their work in creating a new http and html, that wouldn't be http and html. | 20:32 |
| javispedro | I say we go to a psychriatric hospital, find someone to code the mms app, the run it under a nobody chroot. | 20:32 |
| javispedro | for extra brain safety. | 20:32 |
| konttori | I got wiicontrol working on n900 (yay!) | 20:33 |
| glass_ | ShadowJK: yeh blows a lot. 5th edition does interpret html as mms root/body tho | 20:33 |
| javispedro | konttori: that was fast. | 20:33 |
| glass_ | ..with the fucking 'services' browser but anyhow | 20:33 |
| * javispedro looks at time ... ohmy | 20:33 | |
| konttori | yeah. I dropped the bluez code and used the bluetooth lib code instead. | 20:34 |
| konttori | as I had no clue where to find proper examples on how to use bluez. | 20:34 |
| konttori | (for the simple task of listing available devices) | 20:34 |
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| frals | konttori: cool :D | 20:34 |
| konttori | frals: so, you are actually trying to get mms support up and running. Great! | 20:36 |
| glass | frals: it would be adequate mms support if it just managed to show attached images | 20:37 |
| frals | yeah, im gonna go mental from the abuse all iphone users are gonna lay on me after making fun of them not being able to send mms.. :D | 20:37 |
| glass | frals: if you try to implement everything you'd go mad as everyone done some stuff differently it seems | 20:37 |
| konttori | important part is to get the cellular level working. Rest is trivial | 20:37 |
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| frals | glass: yeah, could probably add that as a solution, just do the imagestuff at first.. but once the gsm/lowlevel stuff is done i think the other stuff isnt to complicated? | 20:38 |
| ShadowJK | konttori, what about slideshows and polyphonic background music! | 20:38 |
| ShadowJK | ;) | 20:38 |
| RST38h | INTERESTING: looks like you no longer need to update icon cache | 20:38 |
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| * ShadowJK would've thought the other stuff would be the most complicated part | 20:38 | |
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| javispedro | RST38h: yes. because it won't work even if you do. | 20:39 |
| javispedro | lol | 20:39 |
| glass | frals: well the other stuff i'm referring to is formatting the message, timing of things in it and that. i guess it's trivial, if one just selects one phone or such to clone from whats relevant | 20:39 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Try installing a few things and watch the inconsistency that appears... | 20:39 |
| javispedro | there was an icon bug mentioned here not much ago | 20:39 |
| javispedro | hopefully it was fixed. | 20:39 |
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| ShadowJK | I guess I only count establishing IP connectivity as lowlevel | 20:39 |
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| frals | hmm, time to go hunting for some open source mms implementation for a phone... | 20:40 |
| glass | hehe | 20:40 |
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| ShadowJK | frals, or opensource WAP transport or browser? | 20:40 |
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| frals | yeah, pretty much all of that, but im hoping if someone has done the one they got resources/links for the others as well :D | 20:41 |
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| ShadowJK | Opera has a WAP browser, but it does it over http afaik :) | 20:41 |
| ShadowJK | and not opensource :/ | 20:41 |
| glass | frals: most mms resources i've found are theoretical.. :\ | 20:41 |
| MaceN8x0 | ugh | 20:41 |
| MaceN8x0 | i have the flu or something | 20:41 |
| MaceN8x0 | maybe swine flu? :) | 20:42 |
| frals | MaceN8x0: hope its not the swineflu, it really sucked | 20:42 |
| MaceN8x0 | heh | 20:42 |
| MaceN8x0 | well, i am strong and don't live in a 3rd world country | 20:42 |
| MaceN8x0 | at least i don't think we have hit 3rd world status yet | 20:42 |
| frals | was out 3days with the fever and another 3 coughing my lungs up.. and was exhausted for the next week ^^ | 20:43 |
| MaceN8x0 | so i am sure i will survive | 20:43 |
| frals | yeah, it just sucks :D | 20:43 |
| MaceN8x0 | yeah... i'm at 102 right now. ah well, i have had worse but i doubt it is swine flu ;) | 20:43 |
| MaceN8x0 | and even if it is that is ok, that which doesn't kill you... | 20:43 |
| ShadowJK | I never got myself tested to see if it was swinefly or wh at | 20:44 |
| MaceN8x0 | most people don't go to the dr for flu | 20:44 |
| MaceN8x0 | only weak people die from it | 20:45 |
| frals | ye i never tested myself either, but ~60ppl from the party where i worked got the same symptoms within 3 days so i assume it was | 20:45 |
| ShadowJK | ibuprofen was kinda radical though. When fever was at 39.6ish and I got fed up with it and took an ibu, body reversed course and wanted temperature down to normal 3 hours ago. I lost several litres of fluid in 2 hours in sweating :-) | 20:45 |
| MaceN8x0 | people with immunodeficiencies | 20:45 |
| MaceN8x0 | haha | 20:45 |
| MaceN8x0 | ginger ale! the cure all | 20:46 |
| ShadowJK | I heard that for hte people that it doesn't kill, swineflu is milder than seasonal flu | 20:46 |
| MaceN8x0 | i just downed 2 shots of nyquil | 20:46 |
| konttori | wohoo! super mario bros works now beautifully with wiimote. | 20:46 |
| ShadowJK | is that paracetamol + caffeine? | 20:46 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ShadowJK: Is fever the only way of getting warm in Finland? :p | 20:46 |
| MaceN8x0 | haha | 20:46 |
| ShadowJK | qwerty12_N810, there's also Sauna | 20:46 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | lol, of course | 20:47 |
| MaceN8x0 | no mountain hot springs? | 20:47 |
| MaceN8x0 | :) | 20:47 |
| ShadowJK | and on easter we round up the witches and set fire to them, that warms a bit | 20:47 |
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| konttori | pupnik_: (when you see this) - drnoksnes does not work in non-com mode for some reason. Screen is black. | 20:48 |
| MaceN8x0 | hahaha | 20:48 |
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| javispedro | konttori: "non-com mode"? | 20:48 |
| * RST38h badly needs hardware scaling =( | 20:49 | |
| konttori | non-composited mode | 20:49 |
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| javispedro | konttori: I can only think that the XSP still calls are doing "something" | 20:49 |
| javispedro | s/still calls/calls still/ | 20:49 |
| infobot | javispedro meant: konttori: I can only think that the XSP calls still are doing "something" | 20:49 |
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| MaceN8x0 | Pseudoephedrine (30 mg/15mL) (nasal decongestant) | 20:49 |
| MaceN8x0 | isn't that what meth is made from? | 20:50 |
| javispedro | konttori: while composited, does the game area appear centered? | 20:50 |
| glass | MaceN8x0: it's one ingredient | 20:50 |
| glass | MaceN8x0: or one possible ingredient | 20:50 |
| MaceN8x0 | thought it was the main one | 20:50 |
| konttori | nope, it's roughly 200,0 from top left corner | 20:50 |
| konttori | and running without any scaling | 20:51 |
| ShadowJK | MaceN8x0, "main" ingredient is whatever you can get easily that can be made into meth | 20:51 |
| glass | MaceN8x0: pseudoefe is on recipe in large areas of the world for that reason afaik | 20:51 |
| MaceN8x0 | Following the passage of the Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act in 2006, in the United States all pseudoephedrine-containing medications must be kept behind a pharmacy counter and all purchases must be logged. | 20:51 |
| javispedro | konttori: thus the binary is still calling Xsp. Plan to upload a newer version today | 20:51 |
| javispedro | (without any xsp calls in fremantle) | 20:51 |
| MaceN8x0 | there was a combat methamphetamine act? | 20:52 |
| MaceN8x0 | haha | 20:52 |
| SpeedEvil | psuedoephedrine is the only thing that will kill chronic asthma sometimes. | 20:52 |
| SpeedEvil | for me. | 20:52 |
| qwerty12_N810 | MaceN8x0: What a shitty law... the person passing that one must've been high :\ | 20:52 |
| MaceN8x0 | i guess only meth heads would have known that | 20:52 |
| glass | "join the army, get meth" | 20:52 |
| MaceN8x0 | haha | 20:52 |
| ShadowJK | wikipedia is awesome, almost any nontrivial medication you look up turns out to be hard-drugs in disguise | 20:52 |
| MaceN8x0 | they used to test lsd on soldiers | 20:52 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lucky bastards | 20:53 |
| MaceN8x0 | ShadowJK, yeah haha | 20:53 |
| glass | well they had heroin in flu meds here untill fifties or so | 20:53 |
| MaceN8x0 | qwerty12_N810, that's what i said | 20:53 |
| ShadowJK | even the anti-diarrhoea pills I had turned out to be some special opium that only affected the bowels | 20:53 |
| ShadowJK | and made them slow | 20:53 |
| MaceN8x0 | i'd volunteer for that! | 20:53 |
| konttori | javispedro: should the sounds work? | 20:53 |
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| konttori | I am not hearing anything | 20:53 |
| javispedro | konttori: try toggling the sound checkbox in gui | 20:54 |
| javispedro | (even if its on or off, there was a settings gui iirc) | 20:54 |
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| javispedro | settings gui bug I mean. | 20:54 |
| pb-away | I used to test LSD too | 20:54 |
| MaceN8x0 | Vicks chose to keep its products more easily accessible by reformulating NyQuil Sinus, replacing pseudoephedrine with phenylephrine. Many people were outraged by this change and chose to boycott the product, because studies have shown that phenylephrine is no more effective than a placebo. | 20:54 |
| MaceN8x0 | hahahaha | 20:54 |
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| MaceN8x0 | meth heads unite!!! | 20:54 |
| ShadowJK | you need huge quantities anyway.. | 20:55 |
| pb-away | meth head is is jail, he was breaking into the drug store next to my house last night | 20:55 |
| pb-away | All for some sinus medication | 20:55 |
| konttori | javispedro: Ah. I needed to switch from silent profile to generic profile | 20:55 |
| konttori | But yeah, now sounds work! | 20:55 |
| javispedro | ah, well :) | 20:55 |
| glass | ShadowJK: well, purchasing big quantities in several areas of usa was apparently no problem, since theres population density enough to have so many drugstores to buy from | 20:56 |
| MaceN8x0 | pb-away, haha... yeah.. like a crackhead robbing the cartel | 20:56 |
| ShadowJK | glass, I guess it's prescription now? | 20:56 |
| aSIMULAter | pseudoephedrine isn't prescription in the US | 20:56 |
| glass | ShadowJK: dunno. here(finland) it's on prescription | 20:56 |
| zerojay | RST38h: Nice post. :) | 20:56 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 20:56 |
| javispedro | konttori: i am writing a slow sw scaler for this version so there may be a (hopefully not big) performance hit. | 20:56 |
| glass | but that act that was pasted here, said that they have to keep records of who buys it | 20:56 |
| RST38h | zerojay: I actually thing he is baiting you all right now | 20:56 |
| RST38h | But anyway... | 20:56 |
| javispedro | until we can get ogles2 scaling right, that will suffice. | 20:57 |
| RST38h | s/thing/think | 20:57 |
| pb-away | In Michigan you need to show ID and sign a paper with your address to buy any sinus meds | 20:57 |
| aSIMULAter | my dr here in finland gave me a prescription of an anti histamine with pseudoephdrine and i was surprised to see that he gave me a prescription for over 10 packs | 20:57 |
| zerojay | RST38h: Yeah... probably. I'm long done with it. | 20:57 |
| aSIMULAter | i was like wtf | 20:57 |
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| glass | i take duact sometimes to battle allergy symptoms | 20:57 |
| RST38h | javis: no need to write slow sw scaler when you can use a fast one | 20:57 |
| lcuk | javispedro, what happens if you request an x11 window at the dimensions you need | 20:57 |
| glass | (it has pseudoefe) | 20:57 |
| lcuk | does it get opened at that and scaled | 20:57 |
| lcuk | or does the wm force it bigger | 20:57 |
| javispedro | lcuk: I get a x11 window at the dimensions I needed :) | 20:57 |
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| javispedro | unless you mean there's compositor magic between, which I can't test. | 20:58 |
| Myrtti | I got duact before the operation to prevent nausea | 20:58 |
| * lcuk curses music groups with generic unsearchable names "james" | 20:58 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: it's a sign: those are the ones to avoid | 20:58 |
| lcuk | but they are good | 20:58 |
| penguinbait | I thought I was good with penguinbait, but there is now some girl using my name, she works at a zoo, with penguins | 20:59 |
| * SpeedEvil sits down. | 20:59 | |
| javispedro | RST38h: yeah, I should have used yours, but I've changed a lot of things and I wanted something working or crashing at a C source file at least ;) | 20:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | penguinbait: /nick masterbait | 20:59 |
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| Masterbait | How did you know I was married? | 21:00 |
| RST38h | javis: You should get away by just doubling SNES screen, right? | 21:00 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: yes, whose width is 256 so your scaler is fine | 21:01 |
| penguinbait | Roman Polanski nabbed in Switzerland, haha | 21:01 |
| * RST38h has another stupid question: how do I redirect BOTH stdout and stderr into a file in Maemo shell? | 21:01 | |
| javispedro | i'll try if I can finish the rest of things today (drawing onscreen controls + more gui bugfixes) but If I can't i'll just ship | 21:02 |
| RST38h | javis: Well, sometimes I need to scale by 1.3, 1.5, etc | 21:02 |
| RST38h | javis: The code for these is different | 21:02 |
| javispedro | of course :P | 21:02 |
| lcuk | but at least the 2x can be specifically optimized | 21:02 |
| lcuk | javispedro, 32bit read/writes makes a big difference | 21:03 |
| RST38h | lcuk: They can all be specifically optiimized and that is what I do | 21:03 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: 2>&1 > file? | 21:03 |
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| * lcuk nods | 21:03 | |
| * Myrtti shrugs | 21:03 | |
| RST38h | Myrtti: trying | 21:04 |
| javispedro | all those splits and joins are making me queasy | 21:04 |
| javispedro | enough with them dammit | 21:04 |
| RST38h | do a select | 21:04 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Welcome to FreeNode. | 21:04 |
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| RST38h | Myrtti: Thanks, it seems to work | 21:04 |
| javispedro | sigh | 21:04 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: that would be 2€ to Red Cross donation box next time you see one | 21:05 |
| Myrtti | (I don't do sh scripting for free ;-D) | 21:05 |
| Myrtti | *cough* | 21:05 |
| Myrtti | (1€ or equivalent is ok too) | 21:06 |
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| Myrtti | ok, .50€ | 21:06 |
| Myrtti | :-P | 21:06 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Which is like...mhm...never | 21:06 |
| Myrtti | :-( | 21:06 |
| derf | They have a website. | 21:07 |
| RST38h | It did not redirect stderr unfortunately :( But that's ok, looks like most output was to stdout | 21:07 |
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| derf | RST38h: Put the pipes in the other order. | 21:07 |
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| RST38h | Myrtti: But as a consolation prize, I can send you the latest build of VGBA for Fremantle | 21:07 |
| RST38h | Nobody has it yet =) | 21:07 |
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| Myrtti | hehe, no thanks :-) | 21:08 |
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| derf | > file 2>&1 | 21:08 |
| penguinbait | where is the n64 emu, we got opengl right? who's working on that? | 21:08 |
| penguinbait | I want to play smash bros. | 21:08 |
| javispedro | we got opengles2 so far. | 21:08 |
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| zerojay | penguinbait: a) we can't run open gl stuff straight on N900. b) emulation of N64 is completely fucked since almost no one out there cared about accuracy. | 21:11 |
| konttori | javispedro: So, even the soft scaler coming now. Sounds really good! | 21:11 |
| konttori | I need to put wiicontrol to repo then. | 21:12 |
| zerojay | Emulators for N64 and everything newer just seem like plugin runners these days. | 21:12 |
| konttori | and get it to support 2 controllers. | 21:12 |
| javispedro | konttori: heh. I'd need to do that too. | 21:12 |
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| konttori | opengles1.1 should also be available if that helpts | 21:13 |
| javispedro | konttori: the ogles 1.1 libs are not in the beta2sdk (so the only way for now is to grab them from imagination) | 21:13 |
| javispedro | (libs&headers) | 21:14 |
| konttori | ok. we need to address that then | 21:14 |
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| javispedro | the headers are in the armel target though. | 21:14 |
| javispedro | (iirc, lemme check) | 21:14 |
| javispedro | yes, they are. | 21:16 |
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| javispedro | along with stub libs. so you can indeed build something with ogles 1.1, only you can't test it. | 21:17 |
| konttori | lol. not very useful then. | 21:18 |
| konttori | we are going to be publishing next sdk version next week afaik. I'll try to check if we can pushi386 content in there still | 21:19 |
| javispedro | for the record, kate did the i386 2.0 package | 21:19 |
| javispedro | (according to debian/control) | 21:19 |
| frals | found a php and one java mms-lib *starts reading source code* | 21:20 |
| javispedro | php mms lib? lol | 21:20 |
| frals | just for encoding and decoding, doh | 21:21 |
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| frals | well its something anyway.. ;P | 21:21 |
| javispedro | maybe RST38h is right and everyone who has ever written a MMS lib has gone crazy ;P | 21:21 |
| javispedro | a | 21:21 |
| konttori | javispedro: I'll check if she would have the time to get the 1.1 done as well if our opengl wizards don't | 21:23 |
| javispedro | :P :) | 21:23 |
| RST38h | dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: dependency on libdbus-1.so.3 could be avoided if "debian/vgba/usr/bin/vgba" were not uselessly linked against it (they use none of its symbols). | 21:24 |
| RST38h | Is this anything to worry about? I am getting a lot of these | 21:24 |
| pupnik_ | with accel we should also have a Marble Madness clone | 21:25 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: presumably you're using pkg-config, so I'd say not. | 21:25 |
| javispedro | unless you have clearly stated dbus in pkg-config call. | 21:26 |
| lardman | hmm, lowering pri didn't do much | 21:26 |
| derf | Thread priorities are usually pretty useless. | 21:27 |
| lardman | really? | 21:27 |
| lardman | oh | 21:27 |
| derf | Yeah. | 21:27 |
| lardman | in which case I need to slow down the framerate | 21:27 |
| derf | I haven't touched one in over 15 years, and haven't missed 'em. | 21:27 |
| lardman | will have to work out how to build videorate | 21:27 |
| pupnik_ | what are you doing lardman ? | 21:29 |
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| lardman | barcode decoding | 21:29 |
| lardman | 3 codes, 1D, Qr and dmtx | 21:29 |
| pupnik_ | oh right | 21:29 |
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| lcuk | lardman | 21:30 |
| lcuk | does the queue of data come in sequenctially | 21:30 |
| lcuk | or does it push another frame whilst you are in the middle of processing the first | 21:31 |
| lcuk | sequentially even | 21:31 |
| lardman | I think the frames queue up | 21:32 |
| RST38h | javis: I have not | 21:32 |
| lcuk | i suppose thats the pipeline effect | 21:32 |
| lardman | I just need them to be dropped really once they are too old | 21:32 |
| lcuk | you mentioned threading the decoding process | 21:32 |
| lcuk | if its a different thread to the newframe event | 21:33 |
| lardman | I'll have to do some fiddling with the pipeline settings, see if I can work out some way | 21:33 |
| lardman | yeah the libdmtx decoder is in another thread | 21:33 |
| lcuk | you could simply say "if(frame_process_in_progress) return -1;" and do nothing | 21:33 |
| lardman | but it still clobbers everything eles | 21:33 |
| lardman | yeah, I do that now | 21:33 |
| lardman | but while it's processing, frames are building up | 21:33 |
| lcuk | what about pausing the pipeline itself | 21:34 |
| lcuk | or do you suffer from lag still with pause/stop | 21:34 |
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| lardman | yeah, not tried that as I assumed it would be slow | 21:34 |
| lcuk | while its processing you should just be dropping frames | 21:34 |
| lardman | but may well give it a go this evening | 21:34 |
| lcuk | cos its busy | 21:34 |
| lcuk | it sounds like your main work is occuring in sync with the thread gstreamer is sending under | 21:35 |
| lardman | some of it is done in the same thread | 21:35 |
| pupnik_ | * RST38h badly needs hardware scaling =( <<< for the faster emus (older systems)? | 21:36 |
| lcuk | RST38h, RGB xv was murmured to be gaining support | 21:36 |
| konttori | xv is probably also a very good idea | 21:37 |
| lcuk | which if it acts like yuv XV mode will get automatic hardware level scaling | 21:37 |
| RST38h | pupnik: to save time when emulating on n900 | 21:37 |
| lcuk | like i get arm | 21:37 |
| lcuk | atm | 21:37 |
| * lcuk never uses it tho | 21:37 | |
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| Myrtti | please please tell me there's a better audiobook player for fremantle than panucci? | 21:56 |
| RST38h | No =( | 21:56 |
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| Myrtti | :-( | 21:56 |
| konttori | Someone should do a better player | 21:56 |
| RST38h | I mean, you can do s/fremantle/Maemo and it will still be true | 21:56 |
| RST38h | konttori: We discussed it before | 21:56 |
| konttori | I would really like to see a better audio player to be also for podcases | 21:56 |
| konttori | podcasts even | 21:57 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: I was kinda hoping that there'd be a better one for *atleast* Fremantle | 21:57 |
| RST38h | konttori: The Nokia one is a wreck unfortunately :( | 21:57 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: There is a player that copies iTunes UI | 21:57 |
| konttori | for audio book use, yeah, definitely, it's not good for that | 21:57 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: But is has not been properly packaged and needs Qt | 21:57 |
| Myrtti | *sigh* | 21:57 |
| RST38h | konttori: For anything :( | 21:57 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: So if you feel adventurous... | 21:58 |
| konttori | for audio books and podcasts, there needs to be good bookmarks and good skip buttons. | 21:58 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: I can't even package hello world. | 21:58 |
| RST38h | konttori: No playlist management in the nokia player | 21:58 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Neither could I | 21:58 |
| Myrtti | but, I'm willing to set up an amount of money for a bounty for developing a proper bloody app for this | 21:58 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Still can't, really | 21:58 |
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| konttori | frade: ^^^ You are not alone --- now you have do do your audiobook client app! ;) | 21:59 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Email | 21:59 |
| * Myrtti waves 25€ around | 21:59 | |
| lcuk | RST38h, you want it or i should check it | 21:59 |
| Myrtti | I HAS MONEYS, GIEV ME AN AUDIOBOOK APPZ, KTHX | 21:59 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Check it | 21:59 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: We charge in favors here =) | 21:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Is that 25€ valid for packaging hello world? :p | 21:59 |
| lcuk | RST38h, cluestick - which address and which content | 22:00 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Oh, come on, you know | 22:00 |
| lcuk | ive currently got a big list of read messages and nothing is jumping out# | 22:00 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Could you package that itunes like thingie? | 22:00 |
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| Myrtti | I desperately want an app that has a bloody sleep timer in it | 22:01 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Packaging Qt stuff gives me a headache | 22:01 |
| Myrtti | and a more sensible way of adding files to the queue than one by one | 22:01 |
| qwerty12_N810 | <-- GTK fan | 22:01 |
| Myrtti | which is my #1 gripe about this Panucci shite, sorry | 22:01 |
| penguinbait | <------ Linux Enthusiast | 22:01 |
| javispedro | in which languages do you want hello world package? | 22:01 |
| Myrtti | I hate you all. | 22:02 |
| Myrtti | :-( | 22:02 |
| javispedro | Welcome to FreeNode! :D | 22:02 |
| Myrtti | no cookies for you | 22:02 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, mmm | 22:02 |
| lcuk | fiferboy has a countdown app | 22:02 |
| penguinbait | cookies are disabled anyway | 22:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Myrtti: Fine, can I get 25€ for making a script that speaks "Hello world"? | 22:02 |
| * javispedro sues whoever made HildonCheckButton not inherit from GtkCheckButton. arr!! | 22:02 | |
| lcuk | but you mean to turn off XXXXXXX after a duration | 22:02 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: the Nokia Audiobook Player has a sleeptimer, it stops the playback after (5|10|15|20|30|60)mins | 22:03 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Ah, just package the thing for lulz =) | 22:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: Why would any sane person wish to do that? | 22:04 |
| Myrtti | which is nice, because I usually go to bed with an audiobook, and it's really annoying to hear the stupid audiobook play when I wake up, and having no way of guessing where it was when I fell asleep | 22:04 |
| Myrtti | and with the Nokia Audiobook Player I mean the one for stupid bloody S60 | 22:05 |
| lcuk | haha Myrtti | 22:05 |
| konttori | I checked and we don't have i386 based opengl support (as in some wrapper that would wrap those to opengl2.x/1.x). So, better you guys just wait for n900 and then port the opengl 1.x apps (n64 emu and whatnot). | 22:05 |
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| penguinbait | just start your audiobook, then do a "sleep xxx; killall audiobook.app" or sleep 3600; shutdown -h now | 22:05 |
| konttori | javispedro: ^ | 22:05 |
| lcuk | need to implement the heartrate monitor that ecoach wants and use it to know when your heart rate changes | 22:05 |
| javispedro | konttori: a, ta | 22:05 |
| lcuk | will also work for qwertys xxxxx usage | 22:06 |
| Myrtti | that requires the files encoded to a stupid bloody amr-wb or whatever it is, and the index file and argh | 22:06 |
| javispedro | konttori: imagination sdk has the | 22:06 |
| Myrtti | penguinbait: hrm. | 22:06 |
| Myrtti | penguinbait: that's no fun | 22:06 |
| lcuk | penguinbait, it wont remember hwere it stopped | 22:06 |
| * lcuk understands your plight | 22:06 | |
| konttori | javispedro: really? So, you can use that then atm, right? | 22:06 |
| javispedro | konttori: imagination sdk has that, but then it comes with their gui debug tools and doesn't play as fine with the compositor. | 22:06 |
| lcuk | o_O dead mans switch | 22:06 |
| Myrtti | panucci actually might | 22:06 |
| lcuk | if you are touching the screen or a key it plays | 22:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I wonder if the mic can pick up breathing noises | 22:07 |
| javispedro | konttori: yes, in a way. | 22:07 |
| lcuk | lol @ snore detection | 22:07 |
| penguinbait | So if it runs for 1hour and it stops, you may not know if you heard more than 15minutes before you fell asleep? | 22:07 |
| penguinbait | isn't that the same problem? | 22:07 |
| Myrtti | penguinbait: I've got audiobooks that run for 15+ hours | 22:07 |
| lcuk | we need an app which every 30 minutes will go "ARE YOU AWAKE?" at top of its voice | 22:07 |
| penguinbait | if your sleeping your not hearing them right? | 22:08 |
| Myrtti | if I need to look for a time frame of one hour, it's better than looking from a timeframe of six | 22:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Myrtti: All you need is a webcam feed to a website where people watch you fall asleep, and then press a button. | 22:08 |
| penguinbait | you need to find out where you fell asleep, not just start back in the spot it stopped? | 22:08 |
| Myrtti | penguinbait: yes. | 22:08 |
| lcuk | its a reasonable request | 22:08 |
| lcuk | OLD tech has such things | 22:08 |
| lcuk | why do we lose nice features | 22:09 |
| lcuk | by upgrading | 22:09 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: yeah, cassette players ftw | 22:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | Because someone decided they clutter the interface typically :/ | 22:09 |
| lcuk | whoa there Myrtti | 22:09 |
| Myrtti | they're still the best interface for audiobooks | 22:09 |
| penguinbait | So you still have to figure out where the book left off, even if its set for 1 hour? | 22:09 |
| Myrtti | if you *really* think about it | 22:09 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, a timer option somewhere discrete should work | 22:09 |
| lcuk | i like the idea | 22:09 |
| lcuk | it makes sense | 22:09 |
| lcuk | for nighttime | 22:09 |
| lcuk | and goes with powersaving kick | 22:09 |
| lcuk | my missus has never watched a whole movie at night | 22:09 |
| penguinbait | I like SpeedEvil's idea, although I think the buzzer should wake him up so he can keep listening | 22:10 |
| lcuk | heh | 22:10 |
| SpeedEvil | I tend to read ebooks using my laptop, which avoids that issue. | 22:10 |
| Myrtti | penguinbait: yup, but looking from within one hour is better than looking from a timeframe of "pushing play to the moment of waking up" which could be anything from 45min to 8 hours | 22:10 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, how? | 22:10 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: the powersaving is one of the points | 22:10 |
| lcuk | i have fallen asleep on keyboard before now | 22:11 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: I stop pressing pagedown, and it stops. | 22:11 |
| penguinbait | my point was if it kills the app within the hour its the same thing | 22:11 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, autoscroll ftw | 22:11 |
| Myrtti | my n800 can go on if no audio is playing for days | 22:11 |
| lcuk | same problem tho | 22:11 |
| penguinbait | you still have the 1hour to look through to figure out when you fell asleep | 22:11 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: I could never get along with autoscroll | 22:11 |
| Myrtti | but with panucci, it can go on for about 4 hours atm | 22:11 |
| lcuk | the more we discuss this Myrtti the more it seems like a reasonable general feature | 22:11 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, upgrade your brain then | 22:11 |
| Myrtti | after which I wake up to the bloody "YOUR BATTERY IS LOW" noise | 22:11 |
| lcuk | haha | 22:11 |
| lcuk | at least you will only be a few hours into the system | 22:12 |
| lcuk | thats key - go to bed with a low battery | 22:12 |
| lcuk | iy will automatically stop soon enough | 22:12 |
| Myrtti | (and disable the warning sound effects) | 22:12 |
| lcuk | i hate it when devices return from the dead | 22:12 |
| lcuk | to warn you they are dying | 22:13 |
| lcuk | a new convert to liqbase :) | 22:14 |
| Myrtti | uhoh | 22:14 |
| penguinbait | Thats like opening your laptop and turning it on, only to realize its still shutting down from last time you were using it | 22:14 |
| penguinbait | oohhh I hate that | 22:14 |
| javispedro | RST38h: I saw you were purging gconf settings from the postrm script, but that is run from the root user and not from "user" user. | 22:14 |
| javispedro | how can that work? | 22:14 |
| Myrtti | I might end up blogging about this | 22:14 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Dunno, but it does flush the settings | 22:15 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Maybe they are global for all users? | 22:15 |
| lardman | mmmm, chilli | 22:15 |
| javispedro | maybe. sbox gconftool-2 spends all day and night complaining about his haxxoring by his evil maintainers | 22:15 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, :) do it would be a nice thing | 22:15 |
| lcuk | especially if the played was just paused | 22:16 |
| lcuk | so you can continue | 22:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Maemo has the GConf tree on the disk stored in /var, not in ~ as is the custom, I believe, on a real distro... | 22:16 |
| lcuk | and that way it should work for movies too | 22:16 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: ah. | 22:16 |
| javispedro | yeah, ~ is on debian at least. | 22:16 |
| Myrtti | anyway, I'll go to bed now with my Panucci of fail | 22:17 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, a cassette mode would actualyl be nice - press the screen to turn the tape over and continue | 22:17 |
| lcuk | no press, no continue | 22:17 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: indeed | 22:17 |
| lcuk | understandable for old folks too :) | 22:17 |
| Myrtti | it would be a dead mans switch in a way | 22:17 |
| * javispedro will purge gconf settings from postrm script too :) | 22:17 | |
| lcuk | yeah | 22:17 |
| Myrtti | and an opportunity to make a killer UI | 22:17 |
| Myrtti | with retro feel | 22:17 |
| lcuk | indeed :) great idea | 22:17 |
| * lcuk high 5's Myrtti | 22:18 | |
| javispedro | "error: Cannot access URL https://git.maemo.org/projects/drnoksnes/, return code 18" | 22:18 |
| * Myrtti shall blog about this tomorrow... | 22:18 | |
| javispedro | somebody was asking for those kind of errors the other day? | 22:18 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: I use a schemas file & dh_gconf for that :) | 22:18 |
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| Myrtti | I'll go and suffer with my panucci. I'm sure I'll wake up at some point of the night to pause the stupid audiobook | 22:18 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: I will package a schema from now on, but then It does not seem to purge | 22:19 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Maybe if I have enough time, we will get together with wazd and make the new media player UI for Maemo | 22:19 |
| * ml-something bangs on nokia's door, demanding his n900 | 22:19 | |
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| RST38h | Myrtti: Although I expect somebody else to implement the playback part :) | 22:19 |
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| javispedro | what's MAFW for! :) | 22:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Ah, yeah, it only does so if you "dpkg --purge" :\. Although I'm not entirely sure busybox supports the commands put into the postrm by dh_gconf... | 22:20 |
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| frals | microlith: appearently some swedish retailer have confirmed 28th as shipping date... one can hope its true at least :) | 22:20 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: i've been reading them, and at least the etch dh_gconf ones are easy enough | 22:20 |
| javispedro | but it does not purge settings on --purge, only schemas. | 22:20 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Ah, I see | 22:20 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: and that would seem sane behaviour to me, since on debian you can't expect to be able to delete user settings as root ;) | 22:21 |
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| microlith | frals: no joke, at least I hope that's true for the US release | 22:21 |
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| javispedro | (unless there's a trick with the "owner" field in the schemas, since I don't know what that's for) | 22:22 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: rmdir: unrecognized option `--ignore-fail-on-non-empty' you were right. *sigh* | 22:23 |
| javispedro | basically, no app using dh_gconf can be purge in diablo. | 22:24 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | *gulp*. At least I've restricted myself to using it in programs that you'd be insane to remove, in that case... | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: yeah, ran into that one too | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: submit it as a bug, it isnt fixed yet | 22:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: C'mon, with Fremantle still using debhelper 5, do you really see it as being fixed? =) | 22:26 |
| javispedro | that would be from a etch devkit bug | 22:26 |
| javispedro | s/from// | 22:26 |
| infobot | javispedro meant: that would be a etch devkit bug | 22:26 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: busybox error, not devkit | 22:29 |
| * Jaffa wonders what a good game on VGBA is | 22:29 | |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: i'd say bashism | 22:29 |
| javispedro | solving it n the devkit would be as easy as " || true" | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, Pokémon, clearly. | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | rmdir != bash :P | 22:30 |
| javispedro | gnuism then ;P | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | better | 22:31 |
| javispedro | and I wonder why not just use gconf-schemas --unregister | 22:32 |
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| javispedro | ah, it's there actually. | 22:32 |
| * javispedro thinks about patching the dh_gconf generated file in debian/rules *evil grin* | 22:33 | |
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| javispedro | so what's that snippet for? nothing at all. | 22:35 |
| * javispedro sighs | 22:36 | |
| javispedro | rm -f $(CURDIR)/debian/package.postrm.debhelper #Remove this and die | 22:36 |
| lcuk | i need to be able to afford real cigs :'( | 22:38 |
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| lcuk | makin rollups sux | 22:38 |
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| pupnik_ | in the war we used newspaper | 22:38 |
| lcuk | heh | 22:39 |
| lardman | and camel dung | 22:39 |
| lcuk | hang on | 22:39 |
| lcuk | which war pupnik_ | 22:39 |
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| * qwerty12_N810 laughs at you cigarette addicts. if you're gonna get addicted to smoking stuff, at least smoke the right stuff | 22:39 | |
| lcuk | you are only about 12 yo arent you | 22:39 |
| lardman | camel dung probably | 22:39 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N810, theres a whole different reason to need to rollup those kind of cigs | 22:39 |
| lcuk | i just want normal regular cigs | 22:40 |
| * lcuk has a hankering for menthol | 22:40 | |
| Firebird | hm, is there anything preventing "rm -rf /" from being in a postinst | 22:40 |
| lcuk | yeah | 22:40 |
| florian | re | 22:41 |
| lcuk | your future involvement in the community | 22:41 |
| pupnik_ | planes, trains and baseball bats | 22:41 |
| lcuk | nd a lot of pissed off users | 22:41 |
| Firebird | ha | 22:41 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Firebird: The value of your life | 22:41 |
| Firebird | some pissed off member decides to upload a seemingly useful package and trods off into life? | 22:41 |
| pupnik_ | upload to where? | 22:41 |
| Firebird | devel | 22:42 |
| lcuk | devel is totally unstable tablet breaking non regular users anyway | 22:42 |
| pupnik_ | right | 22:42 |
| konttori | well, it won't end up in extras that way anyway (only devel) | 22:42 |
| pupnik_ | also nice that autobuilder builds binary from the uploaded source | 22:43 |
| javispedro | Firebird: more interesting would be hidden spyware. but that's quite an interesting topic of discussion not only for #maemo. | 22:43 |
| javispedro | aw, I see black helicopters. | 22:44 |
| lcuk | if you see them, theres something wrong | 22:45 |
| RST38h | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/09/blood_01.jpg | 22:45 |
| RST38h | Finally | 22:45 |
| lcuk | and they arent what you think | 22:45 |
| pupnik_ | maybe a type of 'zonealarm' service would be useful | 22:45 |
| pupnik_ | 'proccess X is trying to connect to...' | 22:45 |
| javispedro | pupnik_: useless for "cloud" apps. | 22:46 |
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| pupnik_ | sure if the app is supposed to use an interface, it's not a bug | 22:46 |
| javispedro | well, gotta hide from the helicopters, cy | 22:46 |
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| Firebird | was that a metaphor for the night sky... | 22:48 |
| mavhc | process y is asking process x to connect to website z that will send your data to pakistan | 22:48 |
| RST38h | yes, Osama will now get the complete list of naughty sites you have visited since you got your computer | 22:49 |
| RST38h | If he finds any that are new to him, he will send you a postcard | 22:49 |
| pupnik_ | well i'd like to know if a process is using microphone, camera, cell radio... | 22:50 |
| mavhc | well, all this acceptable blowing people up came from a guy who visited america and was disgusted by people dancing so close together | 22:50 |
| RST38h | Wrong, he is faking a reason. | 22:50 |
| penguinbait | is it just me or does liqbase sound like some kind of sexual reference? I am pronouncing this correctly right lick-base? | 22:50 |
| RST38h | The real reason is that blowing up things (and people) is fun | 22:50 |
| pupnik_ | mavhc has watched the Power of Nightmares | 22:50 |
| mavhc | true | 22:50 |
| mavhc | blowing up yourself isn't fun though | 22:51 |
| RST38h | mavhc: more fun than spending the next 60 years in a penitentiary I guess | 22:51 |
| lcuk | penguinbait, unintentional. however i do have to be careful with naming other liq* modules for this reason | 22:51 |
| mavhc | to bring this back on topic, can I use an n900 to detonate a bomb? | 22:52 |
| RST38h | Yes. Do you want to? | 22:52 |
| penguinbait | liqbacon | 22:52 |
| penguinbait | see it still sounds like your up to something | 22:52 |
| mavhc | what did you name your library for viewing lolcats? | 22:52 |
| * RST38h off for now | 22:53 | |
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| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: Can I propose liqadiqaday | 22:53 |
| penguinbait | heh | 22:53 |
| lcuk | i have liqdoc | 22:54 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Tame. At least make the o an i | 22:55 |
| lcuk | liqtwit | 22:55 |
| Mek | for a dictionary application? | 22:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Sure :) | 22:55 |
| penguinbait | liqtwat | 22:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | yessir | 22:55 |
| lcuk | Mek, the document reader class | 22:55 |
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| lcuk | liqbattery is shocking | 22:56 |
| penguinbait | liqtwit and liqface for the social butterflys | 22:56 |
| * lcuk does like liqbrain :) | 22:56 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: name one after yourself... | 22:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | and dedicate it to crashanddie_ | 22:57 |
| lcuk | i like liqface :D | 22:57 |
| penguinbait | AKA liqhead / liqbrain | 22:58 |
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| lcuk | liqbrain was the name of the database classes ;) | 22:58 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Ironically, talking about database classes would not get you brain | 22:59 |
| lcuk | depends if it was run in a zombie process or not | 23:00 |
| penguinbait | I got to go bake a chicken, and make mash potato's | 23:00 |
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| lcuk | haha | 23:00 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk accepts | 23:00 |
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| pupnik_ | thanks to penguinbait, i now know what to call people who use twitter | 23:01 |
| suihkulokki | twits? | 23:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | mashed potatos? | 23:04 |
| fnordianslip | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEUFLwl-Ac8 | 23:06 |
| pupnik_ | both are good, SpeedEvil suihkulokki :) | 23:06 |
| liqpb-away | yeah mashed potatos even | 23:06 |
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| pupnik_ | i like Mike and Rich better. more fun. | 23:11 |
| pupnik_ | get 'Expert Knob Twiddlers' fnordianslip | 23:12 |
| fnordianslip | pupnik_: tnx for the recommendation - will have a listen. personally, i'm just an amateur DIY knob twiddler | 23:13 |
| pupnik_ | have you heard the venetian snares 'einstein-rosen bridge' 12"? | 23:14 |
| fnordianslip | pupnik_: not sure. hard to tell what i've heard, but i don't know it by name. | 23:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Is it a covered bridge? | 23:15 |
| RST38h | back | 23:15 |
| pupnik_ | i think you'd remember it, actually | 23:15 |
| pupnik_ | :) | 23:15 |
| pupnik_ | quite a worm, that track | 23:15 |
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| pupnik_ | you know how kids always stand around listening to music from one cell phone? | 23:17 |
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| pupnik_ | it would be cool if they could share the stream and get synched playback over BT | 23:17 |
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| fnordianslip | better to hack them and make them listen to punk! | 23:18 |
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| fnordianslip | that track is pretty warped | 23:19 |
| pupnik_ | or pixies. straighten em out. | 23:19 |
| pupnik_ | :) | 23:19 |
| pupnik_ | yeah i heard it on a german radio station | 23:19 |
| pupnik_ | almost had to pull over | 23:19 |
| * fnordianslip likes | 23:19 | |
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| * lcuk flows | 23:21 | |
| * SpeedEvil farts. | 23:22 | |
| lcuk | pupnik_, simpler solution nowadays | 23:23 |
| lcuk | n900 has FM radio transmit | 23:23 |
| lcuk | lots of cells have fm recv (n900 does i think ..?) | 23:23 |
| lcuk | so everyone in your little group have same music | 23:23 |
| lcuk | fnordianslip, workplace radios can be hacked once you know the frequency ;) | 23:24 |
| pupnik_ | nic enice | 23:25 |
| lcuk | we control the airwaves :) | 23:25 |
| pupnik_ | fm xmitters are cool | 23:25 |
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| pupnik_ | i should not have started with venetian snares | 23:25 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: You should have really done it on twitter, not here | 23:25 |
| pupnik_ | now i'm all weirded-out | 23:25 |
| fnordianslip | lcuk: indeedy. once i had to sabotage a company car's CD player with chewing gum, when i realised the boss had a Tina Turner CD | 23:26 |
| lcuk | yikes | 23:26 |
| * SpeedEvil goes into a stirring rendition of 'Simply the Best'. | 23:26 | |
| lcuk | i thought they removed the frequency range testing disks when they sold car | 23:26 |
| fnordianslip | it wouldn't play it or eject it after that | 23:26 |
| lcuk | the very first digital sample i ever ripped on zx spectrum! was a tina thing | 23:27 |
| lcuk | as long as it didnt play thats ok | 23:27 |
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| frals | anyone familiar with the internet connectivity api for fremantle? i.e. would all network access require user confirmation? | 23:38 |
| RST38h | unless you let it connect automatically | 23:39 |
| RST38h | there is an option | 23:39 |
| frals | is it a per app setting or systemwide? | 23:40 |
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| frals | since fetching an MMS automatically would require the gprs/3g connection to be able to autoconnect | 23:40 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: AIUI - it requires a seperate APN for MMS | 23:40 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: ideally - otherwise you tear down the internet connection, which is obviously not optimal | 23:41 |
| frals | hmm yeah good point | 23:42 |
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| lcuk | mmm twitter is odd | 23:44 |
| lcuk | follower counts go up and down but no new people are added | 23:44 |
| lcuk | or removed | 23:44 |
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| derf | They're magic twitter fairies. | 23:45 |
| lcuk | yeah i tihnk same | 23:45 |
| lcuk | tis odd | 23:45 |
| lcuk | http://twitter.com/lcuk incase anyone has acct | 23:45 |
| ShadowJK | uh oh, "write error on swap device" | 23:45 |
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| crashanddie_ | qwerty12_N810, I'm going to dedicate something to yourself | 23:48 |
| rkirti | I sound really n00bish here, but does anyone here have recommendations for a WSYWIG html editor that actually works well ? | 23:48 |
| rkirti | I am a little pained with Seamonkey. | 23:49 |
| qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie_: Awesomeness | 23:49 |
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| ShadowJK | that's weird | 23:56 |
| ShadowJK | the microsd -> sd adapter died | 23:56 |
| ShadowJK | I thought my microsdhc card had died in my N800, but I put it in another adapter and it works | 23:56 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not exactly complex circuitry... | 23:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm | 23:57 |
| RST38h | Too flimsy | 23:57 |
| ccooke | ShadowJK: I've had two die so far | 23:57 |
| RST38h | A lot of them do not work in n810s to begin with | 23:57 |
| SpeedEvil | you've tried removing it and put it back in again? | 23:57 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, lol yeah, now it works on both adapters | 23:57 |
| ccooke | I actually have a small stack of 2g microSD cards, because that was the cheapest way to get another adapter | 23:57 |
| RST38h | heh | 23:57 |
| lcuk | use old console method - remove, blow reinsert | 23:58 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk, don't forget the step where you rub it against your shirt | 23:58 |
| ccooke | lcuk: the first one of mine that died... well, it just split in two. Not very well made. | 23:58 |
| ShadowJK | I had a mini-full that split in two | 23:58 |
| lcuk | i dont know what you guys do with adapters and memory cards | 23:59 |
| lcuk | the only thing i manage is losing them | 23:59 |
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