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| wazd | I'm back :) | 00:04 |
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| RST38h | welcome | 00:04 |
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| zerojay | Barf | 00:05 |
| wazd | So, I see everybody finaly understood tht nokia will allow to custmize n900 but without limitations :) | 00:05 |
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| RST38h | that was kinda obvious wasn't it? | 00:06 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, mass-media didn't think so :) | 00:06 |
| zerojay | Mass media was reporting on the n900? | 00:07 |
| RST38h | wazd: bloggers you mean... | 00:07 |
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| wazd | It's pretty stupid to think that nokia will slap the hands of careers no allowing to modify cause it's damn opposite way of "openess" :) | 00:08 |
| javispedro | hey, I've seen printed articles about the n900... | 00:08 |
| RST38h | there are really three different actions there: | 00:08 |
| zerojay | You have? | 00:08 |
| RST38h | 1) adding custom stuff 2) locking custom stuff 3) removing features | 00:08 |
| javispedro | I have? :) | 00:09 |
| RST38h | #1 is pretty harmless so why not? | 00:09 |
| RST38h | #2 is also relatively tolerable at least for Nokia | 00:09 |
| zerojay | I've never seen a print article about the tablets. | 00:09 |
| wazd | RST38h: I remember great quote of Walt MossPuppet: "Hey, I've sent you a link! -Hey!! I've sent you a link too! Great! We're journalists!" :D | 00:09 |
| zerojay | Or ever seen anyone else with one. | 00:09 |
| javispedro | zerojay: me neither. | 00:09 |
| RST38h | wazd: Bloggers are such...mm...bloggers. | 00:10 |
| javispedro | but the n900 is not a tablet, but a "new phone" :P | 00:10 |
| wazd | javispedro: well, it is :) | 00:10 |
| RST38h | javis: wrong, it is a mobile computer :) | 00:10 |
| zerojay | Maemo device then. Heh. | 00:10 |
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| javispedro | The mass media "article" i'm thinking of said "phone". | 00:11 |
| JoeBrain | doesn't the Nokia website say "communications computer" ? :D | 00:13 |
| RST38h | that's new | 00:13 |
| javispedro | "linux gizmo" | 00:13 |
| RST38h | anyway, it's a comlog | 00:13 |
| RST38h | let us just call it comlog and stop at that | 00:13 |
| zerojay | They've been calling all their phones multimedia devices for so long now. | 00:13 |
| RST38h | since n95 | 00:13 |
| JoeBrain | comlog/ | 00:14 |
| JoeBrain | ? | 00:14 |
| RST38h | and every new model was marketed as the FIST multimedia computer | 00:14 |
| zerojay | Lol | 00:14 |
| JoeBrain | lol FIST? | 00:14 |
| * javispedro has a multimedia computer dumbphone | 00:14 | |
| zerojay | Chuck norris' phone. | 00:14 |
| zerojay | The FIST | 00:14 |
| RST38h | fiRst | 00:14 |
| JoeBrain | ah I thought it was some dumb acronym :) | 00:15 |
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| wazd | arent these bumper stickers suppose to be fun? :) | 00:17 |
| RST38h | only if you have a car =) | 00:17 |
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| wazd | Tim is proposing some rather serious but a little boring stuff http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=325558 | 00:18 |
| ShellEvil | I don't see a reason for 'collaborative' | 00:19 |
| RST38h | he is too serious. the whole council is too serious. | 00:19 |
| RST38h | ShellEvil: well, at least the word "paradigm" has not been used. | 00:20 |
| ShellEvil | true | 00:20 |
| ShellEvil | Also - the device list is pointles | 00:20 |
| RST38h | "open source community" is a generic entity | 00:21 |
| RST38h | does not say anything new or interesting | 00:21 |
| ShellEvil | yeha | 00:21 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, comment there :) | 00:21 |
| ShellEvil | 'Free your phone' - or something | 00:21 |
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| zerojay | Maemo.org - we do shit | 00:21 |
| ShellEvil | but 'Free your internet connected computing device which may or may not have a cellular modem integrated' ... | 00:21 |
| wazd | "Please, open your trunk, Sir" :D | 00:22 |
| ShellEvil | 'We know these open-source people - look at reiser - killers - the lot of them' | 00:22 |
| zerojay | Lol | 00:22 |
| wazd | Maemo.org - nerd alert trigger :D | 00:22 |
| zerojay | Bastard. Made me lol on the bus. | 00:23 |
| zerojay | For real. | 00:23 |
| zerojay | Everyone's staring. | 00:23 |
| wazd | zerojay: nerd alert! :) | 00:23 |
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| zerojay | Heh, damn straight. | 00:24 |
| qwerty12 | In Quebec, you do not laugh. | 00:24 |
| javispedro | nokia pedo logo ftw ;) | 00:25 |
| zerojay | Haha. | 00:25 |
| zerojay | Well, i did laugh really loudly, heh. | 00:25 |
| zerojay | Headphones. | 00:25 |
| * ShellEvil has an image of some confused marketer using the bear with ipodesque headphones. | 00:25 | |
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| zerojay | Pong | 00:26 |
| wazd | In fact, I don't understand people that stare at laughing man | 00:28 |
| JoeBrain | I think the bumper sticker needs a different tag line than both of those | 00:29 |
| wazd | He's not jerking or pooping in the bus, he's just happy | 00:29 |
| RST38h | maybe he is a terrorist? | 00:29 |
| wazd | RST38h: terrorists usualy poop :D | 00:29 |
| RST38h | before or after the laugh? =) | 00:29 |
| ShellEvil | It can't be a tagline that only the involved will understand either | 00:30 |
| wazd | RST38h: same time :) | 00:30 |
| wazd | ShellEvil: well, that's my point | 00:30 |
| JoeBrain | OOoooooh I like Maemo forum's captcha system. | 00:30 |
| JoeBrain | ShellEvil: especially when the non-involved might be misled into thinking it's something else entirely.. | 00:31 |
| wazd | ShellEvil: I actually came up with "I have loads of stuff in my trunk" - it's funny for those who don't know and it's understandable and funny for those who do :) | 00:31 |
| JoeBrain | "Loads of Packages in my Trunk" sounds... umm... | 00:31 |
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| JoeBrain | adult. | 00:31 |
| ShellEvil | recaptcha is good | 00:31 |
| RST38h | s/trunk/trunks | 00:32 |
| wazd | JoeBrain: oh yeah, packages, not stuff :D | 00:32 |
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| qwerty12 | "my humps, my humps..." | 00:32 |
| wazd | qwerty12: that's what she said :) | 00:33 |
| JoeBrain | actually it is what she said :P | 00:34 |
| qwerty12 | yes, i remember. it was a good night | 00:34 |
| wazd | qwerty12: I still remember it was you who dated infobot :D | 00:35 |
| qwerty12 | who said that i still don't? | 00:35 |
| wazd | qwerty12: ooooh, it's so cute :D | 00:36 |
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| qwerty12 | infobot, $50 | 00:36 |
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| wazd | RST38h: btw, I have enlarged windows in my appartments now, so it's pretty cool to laugh diablically while standing in front :D | 00:36 |
| RST38h | wazd: Only if you have got a doomsday weapon in the background | 00:37 |
| RST38h | wazd: or at least an audiophile-grade audio amplifier with Huge glowing tubes | 00:37 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, does good 'ol wooden piano counts? :) | 00:37 |
| RST38h | wazd: Is there a human skull on it? =) | 00:37 |
| wazd | RST38h: not yet :) | 00:38 |
| RST38h | it is almost a required accessory =) | 00:38 |
| RST38h | <sleep> | 00:39 |
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| pupnik | The main motivation for VAAPI (Video Acceleration API) is to enable hardware accelerated video decode/encode at various entry-points (VLD, IDCT, Motion Compensation etc.) for the prevailing coding standards today (MPEG-2, MPEG-4 ASP/H.263, MPEG-4 AVC/H.264, and VC-1/VMW3). http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/vaapi | 00:57 |
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| GAN800 | maemo.org is never capitalized. | 01:37 |
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| zerojayPC | lol | 01:45 |
| zerojayPC | Blame the tablet. | 01:45 |
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| Jaffa | re | 02:01 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie, lcuk, luovanto and I have just come up with the *coolest* Rock Band/Guitar Hero/Rock Drummer game idea for the N900 | 02:01 |
| Jaffa | I'd upload a video, but Bluetooth is being annoying and I can't be arsed to get out a USB cable | 02:02 |
| wazd | Jaffa: Multitask first :D | 02:02 |
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| * wazd curses the fucking 1.5 GB patch for the game | 02:04 | |
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| rkirti | heh | 02:09 |
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| ShellEvil | Jaffa: video recognition of air guitar? | 02:12 |
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| ShellEvil | Jaffa: can also do air-drums, air-trumpet, and air-glockenspiel. | 02:13 |
| ShellEvil | Air-one-man-band may be overdoing it. | 02:13 |
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| Captain_Picard | does n900 also got virtual gun?! | 02:15 |
| Jaffa | ShellEvil: Microphone + accelerometer + table | 02:15 |
| Captain_Picard | points to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlzoL-wQwio&feature=related | 02:15 |
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| Captain_Picard | i want that to my n900 | 02:17 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: having a nice evening I take it? :) | 02:19 |
| lardman | qwerty12: I missed you, sorry | 02:20 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: Apart from having to rush to get the last train home | 02:20 |
| Jaffa | And Jussi's taste in food is as bad as his taste in music. KFC indeed! | 02:21 |
| Jaffa | At least we ended up in Nando's rather than KFC. | 02:21 |
| Jaffa | No bacon. But beer. | 02:21 |
| lardman | Jaffa: I had the same problem yesterday :) | 02:21 |
| lardman | lol, we had a proper sit-down yesterday | 02:22 |
| Jaffa | Bah, I'm old hat now | 02:22 |
| Jaffa | No pushing the boat out to impress me! | 02:22 |
| lardman | just 'cos it was so late we couldn't be arsed to walk anywhere :) | 02:23 |
| lardman | you on the train now then? | 02:23 |
| Jaffa | up | 02:23 |
| Jaffa | Tapping into first class' free wifi | 02:23 |
| Jaffa | (arbitrary MAC address FTW) | 02:23 |
| lardman | very good :) | 02:23 |
| Jaffa | At least 40 mins before getting into Rugby | 02:23 |
| lardman | I walked in the door at 2am yesterday | 02:24 |
| lardman | bloody train took 2hrs to get home | 02:24 |
| Jaffa | Mrs Jaffa ain't going to be happy | 02:24 |
| lardman | Mrs Lardman wasn't too pleased either | 02:24 |
| lardman | :) | 02:24 |
| Jaffa | Or awake | 02:24 |
| lardman | I think that was the problem, she woke up when I got back :D | 02:24 |
| Jaffa | Doh! | 02:25 |
| lardman | it was a long day, I was stumbling around a little I admit | 02:25 |
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| Jaffa | "long day" ;-) | 02:27 |
| lardman | I did have to sit through 3 hours of lectures in the morning, and drink wine at lunch time, so was quite tired come the evening :) | 02:27 |
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| lardman | anyway my evening of coding didn't quite work out, will have to crack on tomorrow | 02:31 |
| lardman | :) | 02:31 |
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| bobbyd | hi | 02:57 |
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| bobbyd | I was wondering if there's any support for sipe (the office communicator protocol) in any maemo app, or if it's possible to run Pidgin? | 02:58 |
| endorphinum | gooood morning everyone :) | 02:58 |
| bobbyd | I'm considering getting an n900 over an iphone | 02:58 |
| endorphinum | bobby: u better do | 02:58 |
| ShellEvil | Or we Keeeeeel you! | 02:59 |
| bobbyd | if I can connect to the office IM server, that would do it for me | 02:59 |
| ShellEvil | (well - probably not.) | 02:59 |
| bobbyd | what does the chat in the n900 use? | 02:59 |
| bobbyd | ShellEvil: there's a plugin for pidgin | 02:59 |
| ShellEvil | I do know that you can definately use pidgin - though I'm unsure if it's the default | 02:59 |
| bobbyd | I use that under Ubuntu and it works well | 02:59 |
| endorphinum | shelll: pdigin might be all you need :) | 02:59 |
| bobbyd | I'd love to add support to the default chat program | 03:00 |
| endorphinum | pidgin rocks. just like miranda does | 03:00 |
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| bobbyd | the one thing I'm concerned about is having lots of applications that don't look good, making the phone look like a mess | 03:00 |
| ShellEvil | Now tends to be a moderately quiet time. | 03:01 |
| bobbyd | are all applications skinned using the current theme on the n900? | 03:01 |
| ShellEvil | Yeah - there aren't _huge_ numbers of polished apps. | 03:01 |
| ShellEvil | Iphone does have that of course - but there are some things apps simply can't do on iphone. | 03:01 |
| ShellEvil | Look at the comedy over the C64 emulator. | 03:01 |
| bobbyd | yep, I understand the functionality over beauty argument, but I'd like it to look nice too if possible :D | 03:02 |
| endorphinum | bobby: you checked out my online project ? | 03:03 |
| bobbyd | has anyone here actually used an n900? | 03:03 |
| bobbyd | endorphinum: nope | 03:03 |
| endorphinum | bobby: www.mojocafe.net | 03:03 |
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| bobbyd | interesting | 03:07 |
| bobbyd | hopefully the n900 will get a large following | 03:07 |
| endorphinum | thnx. at the moment i am seeking a way to develop a maemo app that would make it run fullscreen. | 03:07 |
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| endorphinum | bobby: hopefully yes - but i do not hope it for the device. i hope it for the OS :) | 03:08 |
| endorphinum | did i mentioned that i luv maemo !? | 03:08 |
| bobbyd | :) | 03:09 |
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| * luke-jr dislikes both. | 03:10 | |
| luke-jr | www.mojocafe.net -- an empty webpage | 03:10 |
| bobbyd | Luke-Jr: seems like you're in the wrong channel if you dislike maemo | 03:11 |
| luke-jr | bobbyd: I have hope for Maemo 6? | 03:12 |
| endorphinum | luke-jr ... u visited it with your device ? | 03:13 |
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| endorphinum | luke: if u check it with your device then u must enter http://m.mojocafe.net | 03:14 |
| luke-jr | endorphinum: I wasn't using my device. | 03:15 |
| endorphinum | but u will need a playlist code to enter or you wont see the fullscreen widgets | 03:15 |
| luke-jr | "Either your screenresolution could not be detected or your gadget screen size is not supported by the MOJOCAFE." | 03:15 |
| luke-jr | fail | 03:15 |
| endorphinum | ??? strange | 03:15 |
| luke-jr | my screen resolution is none of some retarded website's business | 03:15 |
| endorphinum | lol | 03:15 |
| luke-jr | nor do I run my browser fullscreen | 03:16 |
| endorphinum | ok. then ignore the project please :D | 03:16 |
| endorphinum | wait.... u certainly have a flash blocker - that'S why the http://www.mojocafe.net page was white. | 03:17 |
| t_s_o | sure wish vacuuming my place was as easy as the firefox databases... | 03:21 |
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| LiraNuna | any clue to when the Rober/N900 comes out? | 03:41 |
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| LiraNuna | I remember when it was in 'late july' but I don't think that happened :P | 03:42 |
| Sho_ | LiraNuna: October | 03:42 |
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| LiraNuna | ah, k | 03:42 |
| LiraNuna | thanks | 03:43 |
| Sho_ | LiraNuna: sounds like you've been out of the loop for a while? check out http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ | 03:43 |
| * LiraNuna eagerly waits | 03:43 | |
| LiraNuna | Sho_, I know it's in preorder | 03:43 |
| LiraNuna | I've been to that page too | 03:43 |
| Sho_ | k | 03:43 |
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| LiraNuna | does T-Mobile sponsor it? | 03:44 |
| LiraNuna | *will | 03:44 |
| Sho_ | dunno about carriers, sorry | 03:44 |
| LiraNuna | no problem, thank you | 03:45 |
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| luke-jr | endorphinum: no Flash blocker. I just refuse to install any Flash support. | 03:45 |
| endorphinum | ah ok. | 03:45 |
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| bobbyd | Luke-Jr: what are you hoping will be in maemo 6? | 03:46 |
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| luke-jr | bobbyd: Qt. Which means a rewrite of all the terrible code in the existing Maemo. | 03:49 |
| bobbyd | ahh | 03:50 |
| bobbyd | is it gtk at the moment? | 03:50 |
| bobbyd | and will the n900 support version 6? | 03:50 |
| luke-jr | bobbyd: unlikely, Nokia has a history of dropping support for hardware before even the next generation of hardware is released | 03:51 |
| bobbyd | hmm | 03:52 |
| luke-jr | for example the N810 hasn't been supported for at least 9 months | 03:52 |
| bobbyd | that's not good | 03:52 |
| Sho_ | well, the problem with Maemo 5 on the N810 is the lack of OpenGL | 03:52 |
| luke-jr | Maemo 5 supports Qt apps though | 03:52 |
| Sho_ | theoretically, there's no similar tech hurdle with Maemo 6 on the N900 | 03:52 |
| luke-jr | Sho_: did Nokia make the 770 hacker edition? | 03:52 |
| Sho_ | luke-jr: no idea | 03:53 |
| luke-jr | anyhow | 03:53 |
| luke-jr | it would be nice if they would fix XMPP support in OS2008 | 03:53 |
| luke-jr | and the GPS | 03:53 |
| Sho_ | luke-jr: but the opengl problem also prevents an "n810 hacker edition", at least a straight-forward one | 03:53 |
| bobbyd | Luke-Jr so you think there's no poin in getting the n900? May as well just wait for the next one? | 03:53 |
| Sho_ | luke-jr: whereas the community should be in a much better position to backport maemo 6 to the n900 if necessary, | 03:53 |
| Sho_ | theoretically | 03:54 |
| luke-jr | bobbyd: the N900 is the first to support cell phone | 03:54 |
| luke-jr | bobbyd: I would get it if the specifications for the hardware were open | 03:54 |
| luke-jr | since I just got a N810 though (and regret it), I will probably wait to find a more ideal hardware platform | 03:55 |
| luke-jr | even if it means it comes with Windows and I need to port Linux | 03:55 |
| bobbyd | Luke-Jr what abou the android stuff? | 03:55 |
| bobbyd | htc hero | 03:55 |
| luke-jr | bobbyd: I hear Android has the same problems | 03:56 |
| luke-jr | and Android is more Java-centric and known to have locked/closed platforms | 03:56 |
| bobbyd | I still think the n900 looks pretty good considering everything out there | 03:56 |
| bobbyd | how are you feeling limited by the 810? | 03:57 |
| luke-jr | the GPS doesn't work right, and both it and\ BME is closed | 03:57 |
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| bobbyd | it's actually broken?! | 03:58 |
| luke-jr | mostly | 03:58 |
| luke-jr | intermittant | 03:58 |
| luke-jr | even when it does work, it works poorly | 03:58 |
| bobbyd | that's poor | 03:58 |
| bobbyd | why would they bother to release something that didn't work? | 03:58 |
| luke-jr | Nokia has no interest in getting TI to give us specs since N900 uses a different GPS chip | 03:59 |
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| luke-jr | bobbyd: I think some of the problems are time-based | 03:59 |
| luke-jr | some of the problems aren't manifest in Maemo | 03:59 |
| bobbyd | you mean they're rushing to get it out? | 03:59 |
| luke-jr | one of the problems works with Linux 2.6.21 because of a bug that was fixed in 2.6.27 | 04:00 |
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| luke-jr | bobbyd: a lot of the problems are inherited from TI I think | 04:01 |
| luke-jr | I can only imagine the N900 will be closed on the 3D and cell phone bits too | 04:02 |
| Sho_ | though there are a lot more open TI-related bits in this one than in the N810 | 04:03 |
| luke-jr | Sho_: ? | 04:03 |
| luke-jr | the only deficiencies in the N810 were battery charger (not TI) and GPS | 04:04 |
| luke-jr | even if N900 GPS is open spec, the new closed bits probably outnumber it? | 04:04 |
| Sho_ | luke-jr: A lot more of the drivers for the SoC are open and even in the kernel mainline, and the biggie is probably that the DSP framework is now open as is access to the DSP | 04:04 |
| luke-jr | O.o | 04:04 |
| luke-jr | DSP is the same as N810? | 04:04 |
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| Sho_ | luke-jr: I.e. it's actually possible to, say, throw in a Vorbis decoder there that uses the DSP, and thus leaves the main CPU free to do other stuff | 04:05 |
| Sho_ | unlike on the N810 | 04:05 |
| luke-jr | Sho_: uh, the DSP takes up CPU time... | 04:05 |
| luke-jr | at least in OMAP-2 | 04:05 |
| luke-jr | bbiab | 04:05 |
| Sho_ | luke-jr: well, less than a CPU-only decoder | 04:05 |
| Robot101 | its a different part of the chip, it only takes CPU time doing I/O | 04:06 |
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| Sho_ | On the whole, a kernel.org kernel should basically work to drive an OMAP3 system these days, I think, which was definitely not the case on the N810 | 04:08 |
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| smackpotato | lets talk about this karma thing | 04:09 |
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| smackpotato | I'm going to save my karma in case it can be used for a discount on a non phone product | 04:10 |
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| smackpotato | am I delusiional | 04:11 |
| smackpotato | or perhaps schitzophrenic because i apperar to be talking to myself | 04:12 |
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| bobbyd | hmm | 04:27 |
| bobbyd | I don' think you cane use karma to buy phones | 04:27 |
| bobbyd | only to buy happiness | 04:27 |
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| GAN800 | bobbyd, pay no attention to the troll. | 04:29 |
| GAN800 | The likelihood is that Maemo 6 will be released for N900. | 04:30 |
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| bobbyd | ok, I think I'll get one anyway as it looks excellent to me | 04:31 |
| GAN800 | bobbyd, the reality is that Nokia has been one of the biggest drivers behind TI's recent movement towards openness. | 04:32 |
| GAN800 | They're the ones that got the STLC43xx spec released, too. | 04:33 |
| smackpotato | its fryday night | 04:33 |
| bobbyd | I really just want something that's quite flexible and that I can write some small apps for, preferably in python | 04:34 |
| bobbyd | it looks really good in the videos | 04:34 |
| bobbyd | I'll get the SDK up on my other machine and see how I go | 04:34 |
| GAN800 | luke-jr is more interested in supporting Windows on a closed platform with leaked specs than supporting open source on a mostly open (but not 100% open) platform that's getting more open every year. | 04:34 |
| bobbyd | yeah, he seems rather disgruntled | 04:35 |
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| GAN800 | Which is interesting, because the profits from Maemo go to pay the salaries of a very large number of open source developers. | 04:35 |
| bobbyd | GAN800: are there any significant problems that you know if with the n900? | 04:35 |
| bobbyd | s/if/of | 04:36 |
| GAN800 | Only big one is that oFono is still too young to ship in Maemo 5 so the phone stack is still mostly closed. | 04:36 |
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| bobbyd | is oFono an open source stack? | 04:37 |
| bobbyd | (googling...) | 04:37 |
| GAN800 | Also: the fact that there's no AT&T 3G support sucks. | 04:37 |
| bobbyd | I'm in the UK | 04:38 |
| bobbyd | so that shouldn't affect me? | 04:38 |
| GAN800 | Nope. | 04:38 |
| bobbyd | and what might I want to access the phone stack for? like modifying how the phone functions work? Getting the audio directly out of i or something? | 04:39 |
| qwerty12 | We have proper networks. And a friend of a friend told me that it works brilliantly on T-Mobile. | 04:39 |
| GAN800 | Well, you should be able to get audio through Telepathy. | 04:40 |
| bobbyd | I'm thinking that not having access to the phone stack isn't going to affect me at all :) | 04:40 |
| GAN800 | qwerty12, which is great, but T-Mobile has the worst non-regional coverage in the US. | 04:40 |
| bobbyd | as long as I can get ogg and flac support (which I could add) I'll be happy | 04:40 |
| GAN800 | So, 3G isn't even available here. | 04:40 |
| GAN800 | Whatever the realities are, it's still killing my enthusiasm. | 04:41 |
| * qwerty12 nods | 04:42 | |
| bobbyd | one question, I suppose the usb port is not a host, so you can't plug things into that with an adaptor? | 04:42 |
| bobbyd | has anyone got an lspci or other info from the n900 yet? | 04:42 |
| GAN800 | USB is OTG, so you either need to switch in software or use an OTG adaptor (pin 5 grounded). | 04:43 |
| GAN800 | 100mA max bus power. | 04:44 |
| smackpotato | on the other tablets bobbyd usb can be a host | 04:44 |
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| bobbyd | cool, so maybe a keyboard would work | 04:47 |
| GAN800 | It's too bad there's no easy way to provide outside power while in host, though. | 04:47 |
| GAN800 | As long as it doesn't run more than 100mA | 04:47 |
| GAN800 | Then you'd need a powered hub. | 04:47 |
| smackpotato | maybe the hardware guy will do an aftermarket power supply | 04:49 |
| smackpotato | people seemed to like his sd addapter | 04:50 |
| GAN800 | There's a shitton of pins in the battery compartment to work with. | 04:52 |
| smackpotato | cool | 04:52 |
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| smackpotato | ok here is a question | 04:54 |
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| smackpotato | in ubuntu the screen goes grey when the cpu maxxes out, would you like to see an app that does that | 04:56 |
| smackpotato | a daemon | 04:56 |
| qwerty12 | No. I'd prefer to be able to see what I'm doing so I can run kill. | 04:57 |
| smackpotato | ahh | 04:57 |
| smackpotato | it is still visible just a little darker | 04:57 |
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| smackpotato | there is an easy way to run kill? | 04:58 |
| qwerty12 | I don't, personally, see what that effect brings to the table. Put it this way: if my CPU is maxed out, it's not hard to see :p | 04:59 |
| smackpotato | it causes me great angziety i click i max i min i swear | 05:00 |
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| Macer | hm | 05:01 |
| Macer | wtf | 05:01 |
| smackpotato | the extra power of the n900 will be great | 05:02 |
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| Macer | damnit | 05:04 |
| Macer | dagain? | 05:04 |
| Macer | wtf is going on | 05:04 |
| luke-jr | GAN800: not really getting more open that I've seen | 05:04 |
| GAN800 | luke-jr, those blinded by their extreme convictions see little. | 05:05 |
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| luke-jr | GAN800: what has been opened about OMAP-2 since the N810 was released? | 05:05 |
| luke-jr | go ahead, prove me wrong... | 05:06 |
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| Macer | there | 05:06 |
| smackpotato | There is a lot of stuff to play with | 05:07 |
| smackpotato | to make better | 05:07 |
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| qwerty12 | mutters, even | 05:13 |
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| bobbyd | uters and mutters | 05:14 |
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| smackpotato | has anyone been hired at nokia for the open source work anyone has done | 05:17 |
| pupnik_ | yes | 05:19 |
| pupnik_ | partlz | 05:19 |
| smackpotato | cool what was he involved in | 05:19 |
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| zerojayPC | bobbyd: SIPE is possible through the internal chat program on the N900, just like it should be within Diablo on the N800/N810. | 05:24 |
| GAN800 | konttori | 05:24 |
| GAN800 | He did Python stuff | 05:24 |
| bobbyd | zerojayPC: out of th ebox? | 05:25 |
| bobbyd | the box even... | 05:25 |
| zerojayPC | bobbyd: It won't be there out of the box, no. | 05:25 |
| zerojayPC | bobbyd: Let me explain quick. | 05:25 |
| GAN800 | Plus the dozen of other open source developers like timeless, zeenix, and the BlueZ guy Nokia has hired. | 05:25 |
| bobbyd | ok :) | 05:25 |
| zerojayPC | The tablets use Telepathy for stuff like chat protocols. | 05:25 |
| smackpotato | night | 05:26 |
| zerojayPC | Telepathy has a plugin called haze which allows us to use Pidgin protocol plugins on the tablets. | 05:26 |
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| zerojayPC | It's what I've used to add support for Facebook chat, Twitter, etc... | 05:26 |
| bobbyd | oh cool | 05:27 |
| zerojayPC | So it should be possible to use the SIPE plugin from Pidgin through telepathy-haze to talk on your company's Communicator server. | 05:27 |
| zerojayPC | I haven't tried that particular plugin yet though. | 05:27 |
| bobbyd | so all we'd need to do would be to recompile the sipe plugin (just hit the n900 box, right?) and we're good to go :) | 05:27 |
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| zerojayPC | Anyways, as I said... no, won't be out of the box. There's a group of guys, Collabora, who I talk to from time to time and they are working on getting support for these extra protocols into the tablet. | 05:27 |
| esaym153 | Wow good deal, I am impressed with mine so far: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220402500347&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT | 05:28 |
| zerojayPC | So after launch, there will probably be a package that implements the protocols. | 05:28 |
| zerojayPC | I don't know that SIPE is on the list however. | 05:28 |
| bobbyd | I've actually done a lot of ARM development in the past, so recompiling the sipe plugin should be relatively simple | 05:28 |
| zerojayPC | And it's a bit more involved than just recompiling the plugin as you have to tell haze what it needs to know about the protocol... what it supports, etc... | 05:28 |
| bobbyd | sipe is a big deal in a lot of companies, we used to use XMPP, but unfortunately they changed it | 05:29 |
| bobbyd | xmpp worked fine for three years :) | 05:29 |
| zerojayPC | Yeah, I work for Ubisoft and we have to use SIPE so... believe me, it matters to me too. | 05:29 |
| bobbyd | cool | 05:29 |
| bobbyd | I work for Realtime Worlds, and we have a bizzare mix of open source and MS stuff | 05:29 |
| zerojayPC | So like I said... it should be possible as long as the Pidgin plugin's any good. | 05:30 |
| bobbyd | mostly the MS stuff comes from our OPs team | 05:30 |
| bobbyd | the pidgin plugin is pretty good now, was flaky for a long time | 05:30 |
| zerojayPC | bobbyd: Getting ABP ready? ;) | 05:30 |
| bobbyd | indeed | 05:30 |
| zerojayPC | Can't wait. | 05:30 |
| bobbyd | but I need my n900 to get bug status updates when I'm not at my desk :) | 05:31 |
| bobbyd | so it's a vital part of the development process | 05:31 |
| bobbyd | have you applied for the beta? | 05:31 |
| zerojayPC | Of ABP? | 05:31 |
| bobbyd | yep, registration is open now | 05:31 |
| zerojayPC | No, I haven't. I'm not a Windows user so... ;) | 05:31 |
| bobbyd | and we even removed the need for you to tell us how many children you have. | 05:32 |
| zerojayPC | lol | 05:32 |
| bobbyd | well, I might have it working under wine before the beta is out :P | 05:32 |
| zerojayPC | Oh nice. Please let me know when it does. ;) | 05:32 |
| bobbyd | punkbuster is the kicker there though, literally | 05:32 |
| bobbyd | I'm going to work on it with a few guys in overtime | 05:33 |
| zerojayPC | I sure know that feeling. | 05:33 |
| bobbyd | we should be able to add the required stuff to wine to get it working, or hack up a config | 05:33 |
| bobbyd | what do you work on at Ubi? | 05:33 |
| zerojayPC | Unannounced stuff so secretive no one will hear of it for another two years and we're not even allowed to have the window blinds open. | 05:34 |
| bobbyd | heh | 05:35 |
| zerojayPC | Worked on mostly mobile stuff until recently killing it off in favor of console stuff. | 05:35 |
| bobbyd | playstation 5 ! | 05:35 |
| zerojayPC | lol | 05:36 |
| bobbyd | xbox 720 | 05:36 |
| zerojayPC | It's a living. :) | 05:36 |
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| Macer | when you say "console stuff" | 05:38 |
| Macer | what exactly do you mean? | 05:38 |
| bobbyd | well, nice to speak to you, hopefully I can get work to buy me an n900 rather than an iPhone | 05:38 |
| Macer | like firmware for dvd players? | 05:38 |
| Macer | heh | 05:38 |
| Macer | bobbyd: don't iphones have an exchange connector? | 05:39 |
| bobbyd | yes, as does the n900 from what I've read | 05:39 |
| Macer | most places will get a phone that appeal to their "collaberation" suite | 05:39 |
| Macer | heh | 05:39 |
| Macer | just so they can use the word | 05:39 |
| Macer | when they justify buying it | 05:39 |
| bobbyd | well, Exchange support is listed on the nokia page for the n900 | 05:39 |
| Macer | oh | 05:40 |
| Macer | does it say which type of support? | 05:40 |
| Macer | it may only support the mailbox :) | 05:40 |
| zerojayPC | Macer: I mean making games for videogame consoles. | 05:40 |
| Macer | zerojayPC: really? | 05:41 |
| bobbyd | Macer: calendar and mail | 05:41 |
| Macer | which games have you worked on? | 05:41 |
| Macer | bobbyd: no contacts? | 05:41 |
| Macer | hm | 05:41 |
| zerojayPC | Macer: Nothing you'd care about/stuff you'd care about and I can't talk about yet. | 05:41 |
| Macer | can't talk about it yet? :) | 05:41 |
| Macer | will black trucks pop up in front of my house? | 05:41 |
| bobbyd | Macer: don't know | 05:41 |
| Macer | which consoles? | 05:42 |
| bobbyd | all the main ones :) | 05:42 |
| Macer | if you are coding for ps3. why not release a version of opensolaris for it that can use all the cores :) | 05:42 |
| bobbyd | heh | 05:42 |
| zerojayPC | Nothing's stopping it from using all the cores. | 05:42 |
| zerojayPC | Nothing's stopping Linux from using all the cores. | 05:42 |
| Macer | so i don't hvae to buy an ibm cell blade that costs 10x the price | 05:42 |
| Macer | what about the cells? | 05:42 |
| zerojayPC | That's what I'm talking about. | 05:43 |
| Macer | wow really? | 05:43 |
| Macer | i thought the "linux install" option limited the hardware | 05:43 |
| bobbyd | zerojayPC: I like how APB is listed as Eurogamer's 5th most anticipated game....for the 360 | 05:43 |
| Macer | as though it was being run somewhat similar to a vm | 05:43 |
| zerojayPC | Nothing's stopping Linux from using the SPEs.. it's just that the programs aren't written to use it because they need to be portable. I use the SPEs to run a scaling program to upscale my emulators to 1080p though. :) | 05:43 |
| bobbyd | it's not like we haven't said many times that it's PC only at launch | 05:43 |
| zerojayPC | Macer: There's a hypervisor that stops all access to the RSX chip and for accessing game discs. | 05:44 |
| Macer | apb? :) | 05:44 |
| Macer | heh. is that euro talk for a soccer game? | 05:44 |
| zerojayPC | bobbyd: Yeah, I know. That's an accomplishment. :) | 05:44 |
| Macer | zerojayPC: ah ok. i see | 05:44 |
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| bobbyd | no, it's american for sending all your cops after someone | 05:44 |
| Macer | so it's really the dev that limits it huh? | 05:44 |
| Macer | bobbyd: haha | 05:44 |
| qwerty12 | bobbyd: it's a hint! =) | 05:44 |
| Macer | so a drug dealing game? | 05:44 |
| Macer | lord knows it isn't a game about the wealthy :) | 05:45 |
| bobbyd | no drigs in it that I've noticed | 05:45 |
| bobbyd | drugs | 05:45 |
| zerojayPC | Macer: It's sort of a mix of virtual machine and cop standing over you. | 05:45 |
| Macer | a football player was driving drunk and smashed into a car | 05:45 |
| Macer | killing its driver | 05:45 |
| Macer | he got like 3 years probation | 05:45 |
| Macer | and people say money isn't true feedom | 05:45 |
| Macer | freedom.. lies :) | 05:45 |
| Macer | any other person would have gone to jail for years | 05:45 |
| zerojayPC | Because the PS3 has absolutely no graphics acceleration (2d or 3d) when running Linux, I just tell the emulators to play at their lowest resolution, whatever their native res is, and just upscale it on an SPE. | 05:46 |
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| zerojayPC | So you avoid the CPU time being wasted... gets some games playing better. | 05:46 |
| Macer | i could have sworn that someone here was saying 3D accel worked on a ps3 | 05:46 |
| Macer | in linux | 05:46 |
| Macer | maybe i'm wrong :) | 05:46 |
| zerojayPC | I have a full unified emulator frontend. | 05:46 |
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| zerojayPC | Yes, you did and he's wrong. | 05:46 |
| zerojayPC | Full video previews of games and everything. :) | 05:46 |
| Macer | zerojayPC: emulated in a native res upscaled? | 05:47 |
| zerojayPC | Yes. | 05:47 |
| Macer | in linux? | 05:47 |
| Macer | anything good? :) | 05:47 |
| Macer | heh | 05:47 |
| zerojayPC | For example, NES games. | 05:47 |
| Macer | oh | 05:47 |
| Macer | fail | 05:47 |
| Macer | hahaha | 05:47 |
| zerojayPC | They run at 256x224. | 05:47 |
| zerojayPC | I run them at that resolution and bump it up through the SPE. | 05:47 |
| zerojayPC | How's that a fail? | 05:47 |
| zerojayPC | SNES, Genesis, MAME, pretty much everything portable... | 05:48 |
| Macer | because if someone is stuck playing nes games on a ps3 they are fail :) | 05:48 |
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| zerojayPC | That makes no sense. | 05:48 |
| zerojayPC | How would you be "stuck" playing nes games on a PS3? You can go back and forth whenever you want. | 05:48 |
| Macer | heh... ok so stuck was the wrong word to use | 05:48 |
| zerojayPC | So it's a PS3 that can now also play all my older games without dragging out other hardware to do so. | 05:49 |
| Macer | but i suppose if people want to play nes games that is their perogative | 05:49 |
| zerojayPC | Because I'm one lazy fuck. :) | 05:49 |
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| Macer | i just don't see the need anymore as most nes games (even the ones i would have considered fun) kind of suck | 05:49 |
| zerojayPC | I've got 3TB of video shared to my PS3 also. Believe me, it's nice having all my games and videos and music accessable in one place. :) | 05:49 |
| Macer | like when i installed os/2 warp on a system remembering how awesome it was and used it for 10 minutes and realized it now sucks | 05:50 |
| Macer | zerojayPC: the videos i could understand | 05:50 |
| Macer | i use a pch for that ;) | 05:50 |
| zerojayPC | How old are you? | 05:50 |
| Macer | well.. a couple | 05:50 |
| Macer | i'm 30.. i had my fair share of nes games when i was younger | 05:50 |
| Macer | doing the whole blow in the cart deal as it constantly blinked | 05:50 |
| zerojayPC | There's a hell of a lot of NES games that beat the pants off of PS3/360/PC games these days. | 05:50 |
| zerojayPC | Yeah, that didn't actually do anything. | 05:51 |
| Macer | zerojayPC: i know.. but it was urban legend ;) | 05:51 |
| Macer | haha | 05:51 |
| Macer | like blowing dice to shoot craps | 05:51 |
| Macer | zerojayPC: yet there are just as many that aren't worth it. although to this day i should get ninja gaiden and see if i can actually beat it | 05:52 |
| Macer | talk about frustrating | 05:52 |
| zerojayPC | I finished the second one again last week. | 05:52 |
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| zerojayPC | Fucking birds. | 05:52 |
| Macer | haha yeah | 05:52 |
| Macer | they are a pain | 05:52 |
| Macer | especially in part 1 | 05:52 |
| Macer | the birds and bats and crap.. i always mistime it | 05:52 |
| Macer | wind up falling and dying | 05:53 |
| zerojayPC | I remember playing through Secret of Mana with my wife 2 players over the net when we weren't living in the same country. | 05:53 |
| Macer | honestly though. i don't really play games too much | 05:53 |
| Macer | only console i have is a wii and that's just because my 3 yr old son like swinging the controller around | 05:53 |
| Macer | like/likes | 05:54 |
| zerojayPC | I can't get into it. I bought it for my kid and he never played it. | 05:54 |
| Macer | the nes thing though... i watched an episode of thundercats a little while ago and it was stupid | 05:54 |
| zerojayPC | Gimmicks. | 05:54 |
| Macer | i couldn't understand why i liked it | 05:54 |
| Macer | zerojayPC: mariokart ;) | 05:54 |
| Macer | enough said | 05:54 |
| Macer | haha | 05:54 |
| zerojayPC | A lot of it is nostalgia. | 05:55 |
| Macer | mario galaxy was good too | 05:55 |
| Macer | all the franchise nintendo stuff is great | 05:55 |
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| zerojayPC | Super Mario Kart. Mario Kart 64 and the others were garbage. | 05:55 |
| Macer | no way! | 05:55 |
| Macer | mario 64 was awesome! | 05:55 |
| Macer | :-P | 05:55 |
| Macer | i loved the n64 one | 05:55 |
| zerojayPC | Mario 64 is still one of my favorites of all time. | 05:55 |
| Macer | it was like 1 of the 3 games that were good on the thing | 05:55 |
| zerojayPC | Mario Kart 64... ugh. | 05:55 |
| Proteous | lover mariocart 64 | 05:55 |
| zerojayPC | I felt like I was watching a slow slideshow playing that game. | 05:56 |
| zerojayPC | It was really where I lost faith in that company. | 05:56 |
| Macer | you had to zoom out to feel like you were going faster ;) | 05:56 |
| zerojayPC | And then the 3d Zeldas confirmed it. | 05:56 |
| Macer | no way! | 05:56 |
| Macer | zelda64 was great too! | 05:56 |
| wazd | what do you see here: http://i042.radikal.ru/0909/a7/84059222ded0.png :) | 05:56 |
| Macer | except that 2nd one.. that one sucked | 05:56 |
| zerojayPC | They felt so generic. | 05:56 |
| Macer | the majora's mask one :) | 05:56 |
| Macer | zerojayPC: they were the nes version turned into 3D | 05:56 |
| zerojayPC | Like it was Quacky McFuckduck starring in the game and they just added Link at the last minute. | 05:56 |
| Macer | i thought the n64 version of zelda was the best one ever made | 05:56 |
| Macer | and yeah. mario64 was golden | 05:57 |
| Macer | i loved that game so damn much :) | 05:57 |
| Macer | i could play it over and over | 05:57 |
| zerojayPC | Yeah... it's just kind of sad that I can pick out some of the same recycled animations in Galaxy. | 05:57 |
| Macer | although i never did understand the 120 star bonus of 99 men from yoshi | 05:57 |
| zerojayPC | And then the DS version was completely fucked up. | 05:58 |
| Macer | they should have added a hidden area with more levels or something | 05:58 |
| Macer | zerojayPC: haha.. i thought galaxy was pretty entertaining | 05:58 |
| zerojayPC | I was really a hardcore Nintendo freak until the 64... and then the Gamecube. | 05:58 |
| zerojayPC | Galaxy was good... but not great. | 05:58 |
| Macer | especially the gravity effects where you think you're going to fall over a cliff | 05:58 |
| Macer | but wind up flipping up-side-down | 05:58 |
| Macer | it took me 5 minutes to realize you can do that | 05:59 |
| zerojayPC | Gamecube and Wii... they make me feel stupid even thinking of playing them. | 05:59 |
| Macer | gamecube was bust :-\ | 05:59 |
| Macer | garbage system | 05:59 |
| Macer | with probably the worst mario franchise game ever created | 05:59 |
| Macer | that whole water pack thing totally sucked | 05:59 |
| zerojayPC | The gamecube's giant green A button made me feel like Nintendo didn't think I could handle more than 1 button at a time. | 05:59 |
| Macer | haha | 06:00 |
| zerojayPC | And then the Wii... well... it's nice being treated like a lobotomized retard. | 06:00 |
| Macer | the zelda game sucked on it too | 06:00 |
| Macer | i like most wii games tho | 06:00 |
| Proteous | played the shit out of goldeneye | 06:00 |
| Macer | well.. not most .. but the franchise games were good | 06:00 |
| zerojayPC | Goldeneye was really good. Loved me some proximity mines. | 06:00 |
| Macer | and seriously.. mario baseball all-stars :) | 06:00 |
| zerojayPC | But that's one game that aged terribly. | 06:00 |
| Macer | was made for the wiimote | 06:00 |
| zerojayPC | There's a handful of games I find interesting on the Wii. All the rest (including my own) give you all the gameplay you'll ever see in the first two minutes. | 06:01 |
| zerojayPC | They blow their load and just repeat. | 06:01 |
| zerojayPC | Gotta love that they had the balls to just make movements replace button presses in a lot of Wii games. Sad. | 06:02 |
| zerojayPC | No 1:1 until WiiMotionPlus. | 06:02 |
| Macer | heh | 06:05 |
| Macer | mushroom men was interesting | 06:06 |
| Macer | but you're right | 06:06 |
| Macer | the swinging doesn't go well in some games | 06:06 |
| Macer | but they also sacrificed buttons | 06:06 |
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| Macer | realistically the + - 1 2 buttons on the wiimote aren't easily accessable | 06:06 |
| Macer | on the brighter side tho.. they have house of the dead | 06:07 |
| Macer | the one with the intro that cracked me up | 06:07 |
| zerojayPC | So did my Dreamcast. :) | 06:07 |
| zerojayPC | And it was better looking. | 06:07 |
| Macer | yeah .. but the latest one | 06:07 |
| Macer | where they had the b movie intro | 06:07 |
| zerojayPC | If you want to laugh, take a look at Dead Rising on the Wii and compare it to the 360. | 06:07 |
| Macer | omg i was dying laughing when the black dude | 06:07 |
| Macer | "He'll fuck you up" | 06:08 |
| Macer | "I'm gonna fuck you up!" | 06:08 |
| zerojayPC | Dead Rising has something like 200-300 zombies on the screen at a time on 360. | 06:08 |
| Macer | well. nintendo had a good business model though | 06:08 |
| zerojayPC | On the Wii? Take a wild guess. | 06:08 |
| Macer | they actually pulled profit from the actual console | 06:08 |
| Macer | whereas sony and ms would lose money in hopes of making it up | 06:08 |
| zerojayPC | Britney Spears sells. Does it mean her music's any good? | 06:09 |
| Macer | the wii also targeted a broader crowd than the sexless teen boy :) | 06:09 |
| Macer | zerojayPC: only to those that buy it ;) | 06:09 |
| zerojayPC | I wouldn't say they targetted a broader crowd as much as they just gave the finger to their previous fans. | 06:09 |
| Macer | how so? their previous fans were people like me | 06:09 |
| Macer | 30somethingers | 06:09 |
| Macer | ;) | 06:10 |
| Macer | i think the franchise games did well on the wii even though it had a different style of control | 06:10 |
| zerojayPC | Yep... and now the games are boring as shit and treat you like a complete idiot. | 06:10 |
| Macer | zerojayPC: because they were targeting a younger audience who probably couldn't grasp the conscept of using all the buttons | 06:10 |
| zerojayPC | Downright insulting the player's intelligence. | 06:10 |
| Macer | and the real older crowd ;) | 06:10 |
| Macer | my father | 06:10 |
| Macer | who for the life of him couldn't even use a pocket calculator | 06:11 |
| Macer | was able to play tiger woods golf like it was nothing with the wii | 06:11 |
| zerojayPC | And that's what keeps it from being fun for the people that have gotten Nintendo to this point. | 06:11 |
| Macer | try teaching him to play madden football on a ps3 | 06:11 |
| qwerty12 | zerojayPC, I still prefer my Dreamcast over the Wii... | 06:11 |
| Macer | and he would have to go to special classes | 06:11 |
| zerojayPC | No challenge... gameplay depth is near nil. | 06:11 |
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| Macer | qwerty12: heh.. don't they have the same cpu power? ;) | 06:11 |
| zerojayPC | qwerty12: Same here. I just got a new Dreamcast, actually. | 06:11 |
| Macer | gpu and all? | 06:12 |
| Macer | i know a wii has a cheesy radeon gpu with like a 600MHz ppc cpu or something? | 06:12 |
| zerojayPC | No. Wii's more powerful than the Dreamcast. | 06:12 |
| qwerty12 | No, Dreamcast is weaker (can't remember the specifics but running VCDs on it were the rage...) | 06:12 |
| zerojayPC | But no one pushes the Wii at all, so it's hard to tell. | 06:12 |
| Macer | zerojayPC: haha | 06:13 |
| Macer | they don't? :) | 06:13 |
| zerojayPC | Macer: They don't. | 06:13 |
| Macer | wii and dreamcast have the same problem | 06:13 |
| Macer | i miss sega consoles tho :( | 06:13 |
| Macer | sega was so great in their prime | 06:13 |
| GAN800 | Conduit looks pretty good. | 06:13 |
| zerojayPC | No, Dreamcast was fucked from the beginning thanks to EA giving them the finger. | 06:14 |
| Macer | zerojayPC: sports games do not make a console ;) | 06:14 |
| Macer | although i suppose ea has a few other games that don't suck | 06:14 |
| GAN800 | zerojayPC, depth is there with the right games. | 06:14 |
| pupnik_ | pricey too iirc | 06:14 |
| zerojayPC | Macer: EA puts out a hell of a lot more than sports games. When the world's biggest 3rd party publisher says no to your console, you are done. | 06:14 |
| Macer | zerojayPC: i figured the downfall was due more so to lack of copy protection than anything else | 06:15 |
| zerojayPC | All because of Saturn's failure. | 06:15 |
| Macer | just wait until nintendo starts to feel it considering all a wii needs is a software hack | 06:15 |
| zerojayPC | Macer: That's part of it. I work with a guy that was in Sega of Europe on the technical support team for developers. He told me why the piracy worked. | 06:15 |
| Macer | why piracy works? hahaha | 06:15 |
| zerojayPC | Macer: Sega of Japan struck some deal with a Japanese singer. | 06:15 |
| Macer | er | 06:16 |
| esaym153 | lol sega | 06:16 |
| zerojayPC | And the singer wanted her new CD with some special added shit for computers to work on the Dreamcast as well. | 06:16 |
| Macer | to not add copy protection to the saturn in exchange for a free sound track? | 06:16 |
| zerojayPC | Sega added the ability to run it. | 06:16 |
| zerojayPC | And then the CD got canned. | 06:16 |
| zerojayPC | They forgot to remove the ability to run them. | 06:16 |
| Macer | wow. it's like tech jerry springer | 06:16 |
| Macer | hahhahaa!! | 06:16 |
| Macer | awesome | 06:17 |
| zerojayPC | So... the piracy on the Dreamcast is all because of some random Japanese popstar that no one remembers. lol | 06:17 |
| Macer | lol | 06:17 |
| Macer | was the piracy why ea gave them the finger? :) | 06:17 |
| zerojayPC | No. | 06:17 |
| Macer | wow | 06:17 |
| Macer | figured that was it | 06:17 |
| Macer | ea is extremely anti-piracy | 06:17 |
| zerojayPC | Sega putting out the 32x and the Saturn so closely together was the reason there. | 06:17 |
| Macer | ugh | 06:17 |
| zerojayPC | Also, EA had their own console. | 06:17 |
| Macer | the 32x | 06:18 |
| Macer | they did? | 06:18 |
| Macer | wtf? | 06:18 |
| Macer | :) | 06:18 |
| zerojayPC | Yes, they sure did. | 06:18 |
| zerojayPC | 3D0. | 06:18 |
| Macer | oh yeah! | 06:18 |
| Macer | damn. i totally forgot about the 3do | 06:18 |
| Macer | thgat thing was worse than the wii hahaha | 06:18 |
| zerojayPC | They spun off the company that made 3D0 before launch. Trip Hawkins, the EA CEO, headed it up. | 06:18 |
| zerojayPC | And a lot of EA's big titles now all come from 3D0 days. | 06:18 |
| Macer | they should have fired him | 06:18 |
| zerojayPC | Need for Speed, 3d versions of their sports games... | 06:18 |
| Macer | i remember the 3DO having this... | 06:19 |
| Macer | awkward controller | 06:19 |
| Macer | that looked like a tv remote control | 06:19 |
| zerojayPC | Depends on which 3D0 you got. | 06:19 |
| Macer | i thought it was O not 0 | 06:19 |
| zerojayPC | The Panasonic 3D0 was terrible. The Goldstar 3D0 had a great controller. | 06:19 |
| zerojayPC | Whatever. | 06:19 |
| Macer | oh | 06:19 |
| Macer | they didn't make it themselves? | 06:19 |
| Macer | no wonder it failed :) | 06:20 |
| Macer | haha | 06:20 |
| zerojayPC | No, they licensed out the tech. | 06:20 |
| zerojayPC | To like... 5 different companies. | 06:20 |
| Macer | thought they could take the PC route or something? | 06:20 |
| zerojayPC | Something like that. | 06:20 |
| zerojayPC | They also made a PC card to play 3DO games, but it's rare. | 06:20 |
| Macer | damn i totally forgot about that tho | 06:20 |
| Macer | the 3DO | 06:20 |
| Macer | :) | 06:20 |
| Macer | i remember getting a segaCD | 06:20 |
| Macer | then the 32X came out... and like everybody else i was pissed | 06:21 |
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| Macer | then the saturn came out right after that and i gave up on consoles | 06:21 |
| zerojayPC | Sega of America fucked that straight up. They didn't think people would be willing to pay for Saturn. | 06:21 |
| Macer | segaCD would have been great if they added more color to it | 06:21 |
| Macer | haha | 06:21 |
| Macer | yeah and right after saturn | 06:21 |
| Macer | dreamcast | 06:21 |
| Macer | wtf? :) | 06:21 |
| zerojayPC | Dreamcast was the first Sega system I owned. | 06:22 |
| zerojayPC | And I absolutely loved it. | 06:22 |
| Macer | well.. not right after.. but close enough | 06:22 |
| Macer | yeah. dreamcast was pretty awesome | 06:22 |
| Macer | i was hoping it would get sega back in the game | 06:22 |
| zerojayPC | Bought the Japanese console from someone with 5 games about 6 months before US launch for $500. | 06:22 |
| Macer | but i guess not | 06:22 |
| zerojayPC | Sold it to someone 2 weeks before US launch for $550. lol | 06:22 |
| zerojayPC | I killed 7 or 8 Dreamcasts. | 06:22 |
| Macer | killed? | 06:23 |
| zerojayPC | Killed. | 06:23 |
| zerojayPC | Because Sega fucked up. | 06:23 |
| Macer | took a hammer to them or something? | 06:23 |
| zerojayPC | No, not quite. | 06:23 |
| zerojayPC | I was playing Phantasy Star Online constantly. | 06:23 |
| zerojayPC | Had like.. 5000 hours racked up. | 06:23 |
| zerojayPC | In two years. | 06:23 |
| zerojayPC | But Sega didn't properly author and master the disc. | 06:23 |
| Macer | dont they have phantasy star online for wii? | 06:24 |
| zerojayPC | The file layout on it was completely messed up, so the laser would be all over the place accessing everything to play the next level instead of having it sequencially. | 06:24 |
| zerojayPC | Gamecube. | 06:24 |
| Macer | ah | 06:24 |
| zerojayPC | Because of that problem, the laser would burn out far faster. | 06:24 |
| Macer | oh | 06:24 |
| zerojayPC | You'd think that because the save games are kept on a memory card that it wouldn't matter though.. buy a new Dreamcast and keep playing, right? | 06:24 |
| zerojayPC | WRONG. | 06:24 |
| zerojayPC | Phantasy Star Online locked characters to specific consoles and specific memory cards. | 06:25 |
| Macer | omg that sucks | 06:25 |
| Macer | haha | 06:25 |
| zerojayPC | So... if you had a character you spent 2000 hours on, what do you do? | 06:25 |
| zerojayPC | You do what I did. | 06:25 |
| Macer | start over? | 06:25 |
| zerojayPC | Buy new Dreamcasts to harvest for parts. | 06:25 |
| Macer | :) or hack the mem card? | 06:25 |
| Macer | oh | 06:25 |
| Macer | hahahah | 06:25 |
| zerojayPC | I replaced everything in that Dreamcast 7 or 8 times. | 06:25 |
| Macer | wow.. you seriouslyt kept replacing the drive? | 06:25 |
| zerojayPC | Not just the drive. | 06:25 |
| zerojayPC | The case, the power board, the controller ports. | 06:26 |
| Macer | i'd have given up the first time it screwed up | 06:26 |
| Macer | :) | 06:26 |
| Macer | and been so pissed that i'd ship it to sega with defication inside the box on top of it | 06:26 |
| Macer | but. you just made me want to play wii :) | 06:26 |
| Macer | haha | 06:26 |
| zerojayPC | Shit.. the site my pic is on is down. Oh well. | 06:27 |
| zerojayPC | I didn't even have the top on it anymore. | 06:27 |
| Macer | i still haven't beaten mario galaxy.. | 06:27 |
| Macer | i have the starts to get there but just haven't finished the last level | 06:27 |
| zerojayPC | Just a piece of tape to hold down the "lid closed" lever. | 06:27 |
| Macer | lol | 06:27 |
| Macer | why not just rewrite the disc? | 06:27 |
| zerojayPC | A pirate group eventually did do that. | 06:28 |
| Macer | good thing the games on my wii are on my external hd | 06:28 |
| zerojayPC | But only years later. | 06:28 |
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| Macer | i don't think i've used the actual optical drive in a year | 06:28 |
| Macer | i think i messed with it once to play a dvd | 06:28 |
| Macer | years? | 06:28 |
| Macer | did the dc have that much of a following for so long? | 06:29 |
| Macer | makes me wonder why sega folded | 06:29 |
| Macer | maybe some day they will release a new console :) | 06:29 |
| Macer | but they would probably have to do it under nintendo's nose nowadays | 06:29 |
| Macer | since nintendo really did help them out | 06:29 |
| zerojayPC | You do know that it celebrated it's 10 year anniversary yesterday, right? | 06:29 |
| Macer | do they still make them or something? | 06:29 |
| Macer | heh | 06:30 |
| zerojayPC | A new Dreamcast game was just announced. | 06:30 |
| zerojayPC | Nope. | 06:30 |
| Macer | a new dreamcast game?! | 06:30 |
| Macer | wow | 06:30 |
| zerojayPC | I got mine new in box two months ago because someone found a bunch of them in a warehouse somewhere. | 06:30 |
| zerojayPC | Yes. | 06:30 |
| zerojayPC | There's still shooters being made for it, especially in Japan. | 06:30 |
| Macer | i should order one | 06:30 |
| Macer | heh | 06:30 |
| Macer | but meh | 06:30 |
| Macer | i'd rather wait and hope sega makes a new console | 06:30 |
| zerojayPC | They won't. | 06:31 |
| qwerty12 | macer: Dreamcast discs were not CD-ROMs - they were GD-ROMs which a computer couldn't read. so pirates would use serial or the rare ethernet adapter to transfer games | 06:31 |
| zerojayPC | qwerty12: Not entirely true. | 06:31 |
| Macer | qwerty12: i thought that was gamecube ;) | 06:31 |
| Macer | heh | 06:31 |
| Macer | they had to use some phantasy star hack to xfer the games | 06:31 |
| qwerty12 | There were some rare Yamaha drives I believe that could read them | 06:32 |
| Macer | gd-rom | 06:32 |
| zerojayPC | Yeah, there was an exploit in PSO's online connection code. | 06:32 |
| Macer | is that some way to dodge paying fees to some organization? | 06:32 |
| zerojayPC | And a few other games too, but those never got released publically. | 06:32 |
| Macer | are there any dc emulators that actually work? | 06:33 |
| qwerty12 | nullDC worked when I tried it some years back | 06:33 |
| zerojayPC | Yes. | 06:33 |
| Macer | qwerty12: full speed? | 06:34 |
| zerojayPC | nullDC... there's also Makaron. | 06:34 |
| Macer | are they any good? | 06:34 |
| qwerty12 | No idea about now though | 06:34 |
| zerojayPC | Macer: Depends on your hardware. | 06:34 |
| Macer | well.. "years back" means my hardware should be good enough even on a mid ranged PC | 06:34 |
| Macer | heh | 06:34 |
| Macer | anyways. i'm going to hook my wii back up | 06:34 |
| Macer | ttyl ;) want to play mushroom men | 06:35 |
| qwerty12 | this code for something? ;) | 06:36 |
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| zerojayPC | lol | 06:37 |
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| t_s_o | ah, simple as that... | 07:14 |
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| vasily_pupkin | hi | 09:05 |
| vasily_pupkin | anybody use nmap here? | 09:05 |
| johnx | yup | 09:06 |
| vasily_pupkin | is 65Mb -- normal memory usage level? (% | 09:07 |
| vasily_pupkin | (with -O) | 09:07 |
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| johnx | I wouldn't think so, but i never checked | 09:07 |
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| Macer | hm | 09:50 |
| Macer | the spirits within seems kind of stupid | 09:51 |
| Macer | they need to work on making a good final fantasy movie | 09:51 |
| Macer | advent children was OK | 09:51 |
| Macer | although i liked ff viii more | 09:51 |
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| RST38h | Macer: Try Time Bandits | 09:55 |
| Macer | haha | 09:55 |
| Macer | i saw that when i was like 6 | 09:55 |
| Macer | with the midgets? | 09:55 |
| RST38h | And Napoleon | 09:56 |
| RST38h | Still better than 99% other fantasy movies | 09:56 |
| Macer | i didn't like it that much | 09:56 |
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| RST38h | Ah watch it again | 09:56 |
| RST38h | It is not really a kiddie movie | 09:56 |
| Macer | heh, no thanks. midgets scare me like clowns | 09:57 |
| Macer | :) | 09:57 |
| Macer | you ever see the south park where the midget goes to teach tolerance and catman laughs at him for like 30 minutes? | 09:57 |
| RST38h | I watched exactly 1 (one) Southpark episode | 09:57 |
| Macer | "words are like bullets, i will let them pass through me" | 09:57 |
| Macer | haha | 09:57 |
| RST38h | It was about Mr Hanky and I had a misfortune to be having lunch at the time. | 09:58 |
| Macer | wow really? | 09:58 |
| Macer | that one was stupid | 09:58 |
| Macer | the absolute best one was the one where cartman starts a christian rock band | 09:58 |
| RST38h | So, you must understand why I avoided it since then =) | 09:58 |
| Macer | yeah.. that one totally blew.. some of them are hit and miss | 09:58 |
| Macer | that was a miss | 09:58 |
| RST38h | Yes, I really missed my lunch... | 09:59 |
| Macer | haha | 09:59 |
| Macer | you should really watch more episodes ;) | 09:59 |
| Macer | the obama / mccain one was pretty good too | 09:59 |
| RST38h | Once you say "christian rock band", the rest sounds unnecessary =) | 09:59 |
| Macer | where sarah palin is on stage and says "well. i'm sad we lost.. but maybe we can win next year" | 09:59 |
| Macer | RST38h: haha | 09:59 |
| Macer | it was classic | 09:59 |
| RST38h | But you see, Sarah palin is actually funnier in real life | 10:00 |
| Macer | he has one of those commercials where they are trying to sell his cd | 10:00 |
| Macer | and he just took other songs and replaced the words | 10:00 |
| RST38h | Nobody can beat the geniune stupidity =) | 10:00 |
| RST38h | BTW do they still make new episodes of Southpark? | 10:00 |
| Macer | and one of the songs was like.. "i want to get down on my knees and start pleasing jesus.. i wanna feel his salvation all over my face" | 10:00 |
| Macer | RST38h: yeah | 10:00 |
| RST38h | If it were Allah...ehehe | 10:00 |
| Macer | it's like the simpsons (which lost funny about 5 years ago) | 10:00 |
| Macer | they had the allah one | 10:01 |
| RST38h | But I guess Jesus is more tolerant =) | 10:01 |
| Macer | haha | 10:01 |
| Macer | the allah one i guess family guy was going to show mohammad's image on tv and i guess that's a bad thing to muslims | 10:01 |
| Macer | so in order to pretend like it doesn't exist all the people start sticking their heads into the ground | 10:01 |
| Macer | the metrosexual one was pretty good too | 10:02 |
| Macer | where the kid gets straight-bashed | 10:02 |
| Macer | haha | 10:02 |
| Macer | i mean honestly i know some of the humor may be immature but the points they make are a lot more sophisticated | 10:02 |
| Macer | than people give them credit for | 10:03 |
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| RST38h | Yea, the problem is that if you make your point with immature humor, it harms your point | 10:05 |
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| RST38h | Simpsons were actually way better at it | 10:05 |
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| RST38h | Ok, another 20 minutes and I am off to the airport | 10:06 |
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| mavhc | south park was the only satire on usa tv, now there's colbert too | 10:08 |
| RST38h | USA TV is often a satire on itself | 10:09 |
| mavhc | ok, deliberate satire | 10:09 |
| RST38h | Ah | 10:09 |
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| * RST38h stopped watching when he could no longer recognize whether news was coming from "legitimate" news source or from The Onion | 10:10 | |
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| RST38h | That was about 2-3 years into the first Bush term | 10:10 |
| mavhc | tv news is for people who can't read | 10:11 |
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| mavhc | the funniest thing about the south park mohammed ep was a few years before they had an episode about jesus fighting evil with mohammed, joseph smith, moses etc, and noone cared | 10:14 |
| RST38h | nobody still cares | 10:15 |
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| RST38h | except for a few towelheads who pulled their heads out of their asses, disturbed by all the noise. | 10:15 |
| RST38h | notice that as far as any normal muslim is concerned, it is all infidel business, to be resolved by Allah Himself. | 10:17 |
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| mavhc | if there's a crazy person in your group the loudest protesters should be the sane people in the group | 10:18 |
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| Macer | lol.. eureka is a riot | 10:37 |
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| Jaffa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk27PenpAz0 | 10:46 |
| Jaffa | Last night at #onedotzero with lcuk, luovanto and crashanddie | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | a fist fight? :P | 10:50 |
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| Jaffa | Not quite | 10:52 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Sweet. | 11:01 |
| X-Fade | Hmm I see that you can attach a lanyard to the N900? | 11:02 |
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| johnx | X-Fade, keen. so they do have a chance in japan :) | 11:11 |
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| Macer | 10 things i hate about you cracks me up | 11:13 |
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| Macer | i like the principle. and the damn english teacher | 11:13 |
| Macer | the english teacher makes me die laughing | 11:14 |
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| Macer | one day you're going to get bitch slapped, and i'm not going to do a thing to stop it | 11:16 |
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| aSIMULAter | jaffa: that's awesome | 11:26 |
| SpeedEvil | The OpenMoko Freerunner is _clearly_ superior in that aspect. It has a special lanyard hole! | 11:29 |
| qwerty12 | On the downside, it's not really needed. I mean, who'd wanna steal a Freerunner? | 11:31 |
| mavhc | hackers | 11:32 |
| johnx | qwerty12, look up: "cell phone strap japan" | 11:32 |
| johnx | the true purpose of those "lanyard" holes | 11:32 |
| johnx | if you don't have a collection of stuff attached to your phone that's at least twice as heavy/bulky as your phone is in the first place, well you're probably not even cool enough to talk to | 11:33 |
| qwerty12 | My eyes! :( | 11:34 |
| qwerty12 | In that case, I'm glad I don't hail from that part of Asia | 11:34 |
| johnx | yeah, there is some definite randomness | 11:34 |
| aSIMULAter | hrm i don't seem to see a lanyard hole on mine... | 11:36 |
| johnx | I guess X-Fade was asking a qustion then... | 11:37 |
| rmt | So - the Q is - how is the N900 at making normal GSM phonecalls, and how's the battery life in general? | 11:37 |
| qwerty12 | The hole in the bottom left corner, probably | 11:37 |
| aSIMULAter | oh THAT tiny hole? | 11:38 |
| johnx | aSIMULAter, think you could fit a string through it? | 11:38 |
| aSIMULAter | should i take a photo and show? it looks really small | 11:38 |
| aSIMULAter | cause usually those holes have this metal bar u could see | 11:38 |
| qwerty12 | The hole on my W810 is bigger | 11:41 |
| aSIMULAter | let me try..one sec..i have one of those lame cell phone charm things in some drawer | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | shouldn't there be two holes for lanyard? | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | at least my q5 has that :P | 11:42 |
| qwerty12 | One's enough, I believe | 11:42 |
| qwerty12 | Although you'd probably need small fingers to tie any knots with the space given... | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | small asian fingers? | 11:44 |
| johnx | usually, you'd use a loop of something | 11:44 |
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| aSIMULAter | funnily enough i have small asian fingers :P | 11:45 |
| * qwerty12 does not :p | 11:46 | |
| aSIMULAter | hrm, i dunno..wasn't able to fit this charm i have..there's no metal bar in that tiny hole to put the string through one end | 11:46 |
| SpeedEvil | metal bar? | 11:46 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 11:46 |
| Proteous | METAL!!!! | 11:47 |
| * Proteous headbanks | 11:47 | |
| * Proteous headbangs too | 11:47 | |
| aSIMULAter | or something for the string to latch onto | 11:47 |
| aSIMULAter | or maybe i'm just retarded it's saturday morning | 11:48 |
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| johnx | aSIMULAter, so it's just a hole that goes straight down into the device, not something you could pass a string in one side and out the other? | 11:48 |
| aSIMULAter | there's nothing to pass a string from one side and out the other...but the hole obviously stops :P | 11:49 |
| qwerty12 | No, you can pull it out from the other side once you have taken the battery cover off | 11:49 |
| aSIMULAter | aha | 11:49 |
| aSIMULAter | that there is | 11:50 |
| qwerty12 | My Wii straps are upstairs or I'd try... | 11:50 |
| frals | so its for the mobile latches kindofthing that pretty much every device got right? | 11:50 |
| qwerty12 | I know: I'm the definition of laziness | 11:50 |
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| aSIMULAter | ok works | 11:50 |
| * SpeedEvil copies qwerty12s definition. | 11:50 | |
| * SpeedEvil is too lazy to write his own. | 11:50 | |
| aSIMULAter | cover even snaps close like normal with the string there | 11:51 |
| aSIMULAter | neat! but i'll never use a lanyard | 11:51 |
| qwerty12 | Same here :D | 11:51 |
| aSIMULAter | yeah wiimote strap would be cool to put..then use your n900 as a weapon | 11:52 |
| aSIMULAter | twirling it around your wrist | 11:52 |
| johnx | thought I wouldn't, but I have a SE phone that takes micro memory stick cards and the card came with a usb adapter...well one thing led to another and ... | 11:52 |
| aSIMULAter | then now you have this manga character strap with bells on it | 11:52 |
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| aSIMULAter | tiny little pink bells | 11:52 |
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| aSIMULAter | yeah i see where it's headed john :P | 11:52 |
| frals | on another note, preordering the damn device yesterday made me want it even more... october seems so far away :[ | 11:52 |
| qwerty12 | infobot, lart key-sequences | 11:53 |
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| johnx | qwerty12, thought my startling revelation knocked you off the internet :) | 11:54 |
| qwerty12 | aSIMULAter, I could never use this n900 as a weapon :'( | 11:54 |
| qwerty12 | heh johnx | 11:54 |
| aSIMULAter | sure you can, it's robust ;P | 11:54 |
| SpeedEvil | qwerty12: sure you can | 11:54 |
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| RST38bis | oh shit svo has got free wifi now | 11:55 |
| SpeedEvil | qwerty12: you can write _any_ software - including http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlzoL-wQwio | 11:55 |
| aSIMULAter | october is just 2.5 weeks away | 11:55 |
| * RST38bis is impressed | 11:55 | |
| johnx | if you strapped two N900s together you'd have a nun-chuk | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | svo? | 11:55 |
| RST38bis | sts: sheremet'evo 2 airport | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:56 |
| qwerty12 | speedevil, interesting... | 11:56 |
| RST38bis | johnx: iphones still make ashinier nunchuk though | 11:57 |
| aSIMULAter | lol | 11:57 |
| aSIMULAter | better than a real gun i suppose | 11:57 |
| RST38bis | they must be superior! | 11:57 |
| aSIMULAter | or apps like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j-DGrWry6k | 11:57 |
| * qwerty12 would rather have a gun instead of an iPhone. more fun | 11:57 | |
| SpeedEvil | I wonder when the first augmented reality shooter wil be out. | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | augmented reality shooting game in schools! | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:58 |
| RST38bis | isntit alr | 11:58 |
| qwerty12 | True geekdom. Can't get the stuff, simulate it... | 11:58 |
| qwerty12 | stskeeps, with special doom theme | 11:59 |
| * RST38bis had a modified xroach with usernames on roaches backs , does it qualify? | 11:59 | |
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| qwerty12 | Only if one of the names is "Cthulhu" | 12:03 |
| RST38bis | it spells "root" in unix | 12:04 |
| RST38bis | "He was a very religious man and had been scared when he was trapped in the lift and had prayed for release. A short while later he was pulled out of the elevator and he went straight to the church to thank God. He seems to have embraced a stone pillar on which the stone altar was perched and it fell on him, killing him instantly." | 12:05 |
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| aSIMULAter | RST38h: pwned | 12:12 |
| RST38bis | by jesus. | 12:13 |
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| GAN800 | Holy shit that was the loudest lightning strike ever. | 12:16 |
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| aSIMULAter | oh noes scared? | 12:17 |
| * GAN800 is now awake | 12:17 | |
| lbt | GAN800: No, the loudest one ever is a little more terminal since it hits your ear. | 12:17 |
| aSIMULAter | i watch a lot of MMA..and i find it funny when fighters thank jesus and god after they KO someone | 12:17 |
| Macer | hm | 12:17 |
| GAN800 | Well, born and raised in the lightning capital of the hemisphere. ;) | 12:17 |
| lbt | you just hold a seance and ask someone who's been hit.... they'll tell you | 12:18 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN800: Is it a dark and stormy night? | 12:18 |
| GAN800 | SpeedEvil, apparently. | 12:18 |
| aSIMULAter | lightning capital? | 12:19 |
| GAN800 | i.e., more strikes per square mile than anywhere else. | 12:20 |
| RST38bis | next milestone for tablets: play video for 10 hours on a single charge | 12:20 |
| GAN800 | So it doesn't bother me much anymore, but that was loud. | 12:20 |
| aSIMULAter | born and raised in the lightning capital sounds much better than growing up in the porn capital of the world like me :( | 12:22 |
| RST38bis | where is it? =) | 12:23 |
| aSIMULAter | san fernando valley :P | 12:23 |
| RST38bis | eh.. | 12:23 |
| Macer | damn | 12:26 |
| Macer | the school in 10 things i hate about you | 12:26 |
| SpeedEvil | I have played videos and logged GPS with a 200 hour battery life with my OpenMoko. (It was however sitting on top of a car battery at the time) | 12:26 |
| Macer | wtf.. is that an actual high school? | 12:26 |
| Macer | talk about high property taxes that must be paid there | 12:26 |
| aSIMULAter | yeah i guess it's an actual high school | 12:27 |
| Macer | no way | 12:27 |
| Macer | that has to be like a college or something | 12:27 |
| RST38bis | speed: ah my car battery has been confiscated by airport security, they found it unusual... | 12:27 |
| Macer | you took a car battery to an airport? :) | 12:27 |
| aSIMULAter | The high school's exterior was shot at Tacoma's Stadium High School. | 12:28 |
| aSIMULAter | guess in washington state | 12:28 |
| Macer | wow it's actually a high school? | 12:28 |
| Macer | holy shit | 12:28 |
| aSIMULAter | high schools can be huge in the states | 12:28 |
| Macer | not in chicago :-P | 12:28 |
| Macer | they are shitholes | 12:28 |
| SpeedEvil | (I was using it to log a couple of days of GPS) | 12:28 |
| aSIMULAter | my highschool was pretty friggin big | 12:28 |
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| Macer | heh.. well. that one looks like a castle | 12:29 |
| Macer | amazing | 12:29 |
| Macer | and they say we don't put enough money in public schooling heh | 12:29 |
| Macer | then again. in chicago someone would have stolen the bricks it is made out of | 12:29 |
| RST38bis | dependds on the state | 12:29 |
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| Macer | :) | 12:29 |
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| aSIMULAter | could be a private high school | 12:29 |
| Macer | i'd hope so | 12:30 |
| Macer | if that is a public school there should be an outcry haha | 12:30 |
| Macer | that thing is awesome | 12:30 |
| aSIMULAter | public hs in los angeles were big though..but then you have to cope with like million billion student body | 12:30 |
| aSIMULAter | so why exactly are you mentioning 10 things i hate about you? :P | 12:30 |
| Macer | yeah. in the movie they have like 12 kids per class | 12:30 |
| Macer | aSIMULAter: i was watching it right now.. pretty funny movie | 12:30 |
| aSIMULAter | just watched it? | 12:30 |
| aSIMULAter | haha | 12:30 |
| aSIMULAter | lol | 12:30 |
| Macer | :) | 12:30 |
| RST38bis | 12 is many? | 12:30 |
| Macer | 12 is nothing | 12:30 |
| Macer | in my hs classes we had like 50 per class | 12:31 |
| Macer | they try to cram as many as possible because less students = more teachers = more $ | 12:31 |
| RST38bis | that is more like "many" | 12:31 |
| Macer | i'm sending my son to private school when he is old enough to go | 12:31 |
| Macer | public schooling is a joke | 12:32 |
| Macer | i'd guess that all the brilliant people in the world learned everything they needed in public school by 8th grade and were just naturally smart | 12:32 |
| aSIMULAter | 50:1 damn | 12:32 |
| Macer | that actually went to public school :) | 12:32 |
| RST38bis | hmmm... tear seems to tax cpu more on the same pages as microb | 12:32 |
| Macer | aSIMULAter: yeah. it is bad here | 12:32 |
| aSIMULAter | we had like 15-20 | 12:32 |
| aSIMULAter | but i went to a private hs | 12:32 |
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| Macer | aSIMULAter: that's why ;) | 12:33 |
| Macer | you probably recieved a better education also | 12:33 |
| Macer | due to the fact that the teachers probably actually knew your name | 12:33 |
| aSIMULAter | yeah i would admit, better education but at the end of the day, public private it doesn't matter | 12:33 |
| Macer | some classes i took in hs literally just gave you a number | 12:33 |
| Macer | aSIMULAter: oh i think it does | 12:34 |
| aSIMULAter | granted a lot of my classmates are in good positions right now | 12:34 |
| Macer | private schooling eliminates the sorry bastards from going to the school | 12:34 |
| RST38bis | really? | 12:34 |
| aSIMULAter | i remember in elementary school, some kid threw an eraser at our teacher and we all started laughing | 12:34 |
| RST38bis | what if their parents pay? | 12:34 |
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| Macer | aSIMULAter: haha | 12:34 |
| aSIMULAter | then the teacher said "stop your laughing you know how much time we've wasted? your parents are paying 25 cents a minute for you to go to school" | 12:34 |
| aSIMULAter | then we all shut up | 12:35 |
| aSIMULAter | for some reason | 12:35 |
| Macer | aSIMULAter: i'm sorry but i've seen both | 12:35 |
| Macer | and private schooling is just better | 12:35 |
| aSIMULAter | i went to CATHOLIC private school | 12:35 |
| RST38bis | ahhaha | 12:35 |
| Macer | it is EXTREMELY rare that a private school has a mass murder :) i mean i'm sure it's possible | 12:35 |
| aSIMULAter | u know how many years it took me to get over some of the things they brainwashed us with | 12:35 |
| Macer | yet in chicago... we have a child dying every other week in public schools | 12:35 |
| Macer | getting shot to death | 12:35 |
| Macer | or some other thing | 12:36 |
| aSIMULAter | the education was great, yes we had to perform in order to continue cause they DID throw out the idiots | 12:36 |
| aSIMULAter | but the religion mixed into it | 12:36 |
| Macer | aSIMULAter: i'm catholic ;) didn't go to catholic school but i understand what you mean | 12:36 |
| SpeedEvil | We don't have shootings here thank goodness. | 12:36 |
| SpeedEvil | http://news.stv.tv/scotland/west-central/100639-teenager-detained-for-stabbing-boy-in-ayrshire-school/ | 12:36 |
| aSIMULAter | there's school shootings here in finland :P | 12:37 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: heh | 12:37 |
| Macer | aSIMULAter: oh i am sure there is the possibility everywhere for some nutjob to go on a murder spree or to have a random act of violence at any school | 12:37 |
| Macer | but in chicago the statistic is far lower in private schools | 12:37 |
| aSIMULAter | yeah cause they weed out all the weirdos | 12:38 |
| Macer | well | 12:38 |
| Macer | not really | 12:38 |
| Macer | most of the killers are from poor places where crime runs rampant | 12:38 |
| aSIMULAter | at least in the schools i went to, if you did just one thing out of place you were kicked out | 12:38 |
| aSIMULAter | granted yes you're right all depends on the demographics | 12:38 |
| Macer | not to mention that parents have been reduced to being time out pussies | 12:38 |
| Macer | aSIMULAter: sad but true | 12:38 |
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| Macer | and for some reason the city sees a need to bus kids all over the place in public schools | 12:39 |
| Macer | in order to mix demographics of race and money for some oddball reason | 12:39 |
| RST38bis | that is supposed to create racially mixed schools | 12:39 |
| Macer | i am a firm believer of kids should only go to the school in their neighborhood | 12:39 |
| aSIMULAter | they did that at my high school..some kids from inner city neighbourhoods given a scholarship to go to our school | 12:39 |
| Macer | RST38bis: so everybody is a one worlder? | 12:40 |
| aSIMULAter | then they ended up being ridiculed just because of the area they grew up in | 12:40 |
| aSIMULAter | must have been difficult | 12:40 |
| RST38bis | did they do well? | 12:40 |
| aSIMULAter | i guess | 12:40 |
| Macer | aSIMULAter: but most kids that get the scholarships to go to private schooling are usually very bright | 12:40 |
| Macer | which even more so reduces the statistical probability of them killing other children :) | 12:40 |
| aSIMULAter | they're bright yes, but because of their social status they were ridiculed which affected their studies | 12:41 |
| RST38bis | macer: my crystal balls fail to show me the reasoning used by education board members | 12:41 |
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| Macer | aSIMULAter: well.. then that would be even more incentive to do well and get a good job and prevent that from happening to their children | 12:41 |
| Macer | RST38bis: haha | 12:41 |
| Macer | RST38bis: political points ;) | 12:41 |
| Macer | that's it | 12:41 |
| aSIMULAter | that would be a good mentality yes..but how would you explain the school shootings here in finland | 12:41 |
| Macer | "we gave poor children a chance at the best schools" | 12:41 |
| Macer | which really just dragged the whole school down | 12:42 |
| RST38bis | asimulator: ridiculing people by their soc status is silly | 12:42 |
| aSIMULAter | where you have 2 kids, who come from middle class families, going to their neighbourhood schools, shooting kids | 12:42 |
| Macer | random nuts | 12:42 |
| Macer | or their parents didn't beat their asses haha | 12:42 |
| aSIMULAter | RST38h: yes it is silly, but this is what happens when you go to a private school where the families are upper middle class | 12:42 |
| RST38bis | asimulater: does not happen here much | 12:42 |
| aSIMULAter | there is that snob factor unfortunately | 12:43 |
| Macer | i had this discussion with a black friend of mine who works at CSU | 12:43 |
| Macer | i asked him why the black population considers other black people who have become successful sell outs :) | 12:43 |
| Macer | ironically enough rich black people are ridiculed by their poorer counterparts | 12:43 |
| Macer | don't get me wrong. this is true with all racial demographics | 12:44 |
| Macer | but it seems to prevail in the black population.. he blamed it on socialism :) | 12:44 |
| aSIMULAter | socialism heh | 12:44 |
| RST38bis | what socialism? | 12:44 |
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| Macer | i should have saved the log it was an awesome debate haha | 12:44 |
| aSIMULAter | i don't see how socialism can be factored into that discussion | 12:45 |
| Macer | but he meant socialism on a smaller scale.. and that most people are reminded of freedoms they do not have since they were unable to become as successful as the man who was able to escape the poor area | 12:45 |
| aSIMULAter | human nature, jealousy | 12:45 |
| Macer | so they hate from envy because they are reminded by the successful person | 12:45 |
| Macer | how bad their life is :) | 12:45 |
| * RST38bis does not see where they found socialism in us | 12:45 | |
| Macer | i forgot how exactly he worded it but when he did it made sense | 12:46 |
| Macer | haha | 12:46 |
| aSIMULAter | there's a recent study that shows that mentally and physically our bodies are able to withstand traumatic experiences just fine and you can bounce back to "normality" | 12:46 |
| Macer | i believe he agreed with me when i said "if everybody is poor, then nobody is poor" | 12:46 |
| aSIMULAter | ok now i get it | 12:46 |
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| aSIMULAter | but what it boils down to is sheer jealousy | 12:46 |
| Macer | when people are poor they want everybody to be the same | 12:46 |
| Macer | so in the US | 12:47 |
| Macer | the poor are socialist | 12:47 |
| Macer | wishing to spread all the wealth of an area | 12:47 |
| Macer | whereas rich people are capitalistic | 12:47 |
| RST38bis | not really | 12:47 |
| Macer | RST38bis: sure really | 12:47 |
| Macer | usually it is the poor people asking for more government spending | 12:47 |
| Macer | which really is nothing more than redistribution of wealth | 12:47 |
| RST38bis | socialism is not about making everybody poor | 12:47 |
| Macer | so the US is actually capitalistic socialism :) | 12:47 |
| Macer | RST38bis: no... it is about making everybody equal | 12:48 |
| RST38bis | although it often ends up that way | 12:48 |
| RST38bis | macer: not that even | 12:48 |
| Macer | RST38bis: haha. sure it is ;) | 12:48 |
| RST38bis | making everybody equal is communism | 12:48 |
| Macer | Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with an egalitarian method of compensation. | 12:49 |
| RST38bis | socialism is about providing everyone with reasonable minimum | 12:49 |
| RST38bis | you still make and spend money though | 12:50 |
| Macer | so you let the govt do it for you? | 12:50 |
| Macer | :) | 12:50 |
| RST38bis | well that is what govts do | 12:51 |
| aSIMULAter | it's funny how a lot of capitalists think that all poor people are "lazy" and they "want to stay the same" | 12:51 |
| Macer | Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and derives its wealth through exploitation, creates an unequal society, does not provide equal opportunities for everyone to maximize their potentialities and does not utilize technology and resources to their maximum potential nor in the interests of the public. | 12:51 |
| aSIMULAter | there's 150 million poor people in the US | 12:51 |
| aSIMULAter | so those 150 million people want to be in that position? :) | 12:51 |
| Macer | that's from wikipedia | 12:51 |
| Macer | if you believe in wikipedia ;) | 12:51 |
| Macer | so it is fair to say that poor people are socialist | 12:51 |
| Macer | considering they are the ones who use the most of the distributed wealth of tax dollars | 12:52 |
| johnx | I believe *in* wikipedia. not necessarily everything on it | 12:52 |
| RST38bis | macer: too many words, leaving it open for interpretation either way | 12:52 |
| aSIMULAter | that's bullshit macer | 12:52 |
| johnx | Macer, people who support gov't run fire departments are socialists | 12:52 |
| RST38bis | wrong iinference, yes | 12:52 |
| aSIMULAter | or libraries | 12:52 |
| Macer | johnx: uhm | 12:52 |
| Macer | we have govt run fire departments here ;) | 12:52 |
| johnx | they can't afford to hire their own private fire fighters for their property and want the gov't to do it for them | 12:53 |
| johnx | Macer, madness! it would be better left to private companies! | 12:53 |
| johnx | it's a waste of tax payer dollars | 12:53 |
| Macer | lol! | 12:53 |
| RST38bis | there is nothing wrong with govt performing certain social services for everybody | 12:53 |
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| aSIMULAter | agreed | 12:54 |
| Macer | RST38bis: i didn't say there were | 12:54 |
| johnx | RST38bis, next you'll have them building roads! or schools! it's a slipperly slope | 12:54 |
| aSIMULAter | or health care :P | 12:54 |
| RST38bis | it only becomes a problem when govt becomes too nosey | 12:54 |
| Macer | RST38bis: but that is off the topic.. the point is that most rich people are capitalist and most poor people seem socialist | 12:54 |
| RST38bis | this point is wrong | 12:55 |
| Macer | the less money someone has the more they absorb distributed wealth | 12:55 |
| RST38bis | lots of piss poor republlcan zombies in us | 12:55 |
| Macer | ie: free health care clinics... free food... free housing | 12:55 |
| johnx | Macer, that's a pretty broad generalization, and I'm not sure if it would be borne out by a real survey | 12:55 |
| * dottedmag wanted to be rich, not others to be poor in childhood | 12:55 | |
| Macer | johnx: i know.. i need to find numbers ;) | 12:55 |
| johnx | *mumble* ...free fire fighting | 12:55 |
| Macer | johnx: haha | 12:56 |
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| dottedmag | Macer: most stupid poor people seem socialist | 12:56 |
| aSIMULAter | macer, of course they do that's the whole point | 12:56 |
| aSIMULAter | should the poor give their money to the rich instead? | 12:56 |
| aSIMULAter | :P | 12:56 |
| aSIMULAter | what????? HAHA | 12:56 |
| aSIMULAter | oh yeah they're not just lazy they're ALSO stupid :P | 12:56 |
| aSIMULAter | wtf | 12:56 |
| aSIMULAter | haha | 12:56 |
| Macer | hahaha | 12:57 |
| aSIMULAter | what have we learned today, stupid, socialist, lazy | 12:57 |
| Macer | i never said that should be the case :) i was just stating my observation on the US society | 12:57 |
| dottedmag | You have to be stupid and lazy to be socialist :-P | 12:57 |
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| Macer | dottedmag: haha.. no. i don't believe that either | 12:58 |
| Macer | i just think that historic examples of socialism gave way to greed ;) | 12:58 |
| johnx | Macer, I think you're modeling other people's behavior based on what you would do in their situation | 12:58 |
| johnx | which is a good start | 12:58 |
| Macer | johnx: of course i am :) | 12:58 |
| johnx | then just say "if I were poor ..." and no one would argue with you :P | 12:58 |
| dottedmag | Macer: it's easy - those who are smart or at least have energy will get _less_ in socialistic society. | 12:59 |
| Macer | but it seems quit a common trend.. if you are poor and can not survive you rely on the society to help | 12:59 |
| aSIMULAter | of course, what's wrong with that exactly macer? | 12:59 |
| aSIMULAter | there's a lot of poeple who don't have any other option. | 12:59 |
| Macer | aSIMULAter: i didn't say anything was wrong with that. i just made the observation | 12:59 |
| johnx | and if you are !poor and have empathy for your fellow man, you don't want them to suffer | 12:59 |
| Macer | so this is socialism :) redistribution of wealth in order to crutch society | 13:00 |
| aSIMULAter | oh noes | 13:00 |
| johnx | Macer, I'd have to agree with you in general. yes | 13:00 |
| Macer | empathy goes against darwinism ;) | 13:00 |
| aSIMULAter | it could also be called "humanism" :P | 13:00 |
| Macer | aSIMULAter: haha.. touche | 13:00 |
| johnx | Macer, open source goes against darwinism :) | 13:00 |
| aSIMULAter | johnx: :D | 13:00 |
| johnx | but darwinism is 0 sum | 13:01 |
| Macer | it took that long for a comment on the opensource relationship here? :) | 13:01 |
| johnx | a good goal is to try and figure out how to make zero sum games into positive sum games | 13:01 |
| Macer | you guys are slipping | 13:01 |
| johnx | I was watching a movie :P | 13:01 |
| dottedmag | slonopotamus_: RTFM Russel. egoism and humanism are independent | 13:01 |
| aSIMULAter | if you do open source you're a socialist :D :PPP | 13:01 |
| dottedmag | whoops | 13:01 |
| Macer | johnx: haha | 13:01 |
| dottedmag | aSIMULAter: ^^ | 13:01 |
| aSIMULAter | so recap, socialist are poor stupid lazy and write open source software :D:D:D: HAHA | 13:02 |
| Macer | aSIMULAter: agreed... put that on wikipedia | 13:02 |
| Macer | ;) | 13:02 |
| johnx | sooo, Nokia is a bunch of un-American socialists? | 13:02 |
| Macer | Socialism - Stupid poor lazy people that take money from the rich because we aren't allowed to kill them. They also use open source software. | 13:02 |
| johnx | ...and rely on public fire depts | 13:02 |
| aSIMULAter | use public roads | 13:03 |
| aSIMULAter | and sidewalks | 13:03 |
| aSIMULAter | :P | 13:03 |
| Macer | johnx: oh yeah :) | 13:03 |
| aSIMULAter | this is a funny channel | 13:03 |
| aSIMULAter | i don't think i've laughed this hard in a long time | 13:03 |
| Macer | maybe we can get the sidewalks to melt poor people | 13:03 |
| johnx | aSIMULAter, they can buy cement! why can't they make their own sidewalks | 13:03 |
| Macer | like everybody carries a card that checks their bank accounts and if they go below the poverty line they are just simply melted on the spot for not being able to afford walking on the sidewalks | 13:03 |
| johnx | Macer, but you're still talking about ... shared sidewalks? | 13:04 |
| johnx | sounds awfully socialist to me | 13:04 |
| johnx | maybe a pay-per-use model is a better fit | 13:04 |
| Macer | oh yeah.. tolls on sidewalks! | 13:04 |
| Macer | awesome idea! | 13:04 |
| johnx | with competing companies laying sidewalk right next to each other | 13:04 |
| Macer | hasn't someone made that yet? | 13:04 |
| Macer | johnx: that would be AWESOME! | 13:05 |
| johnx | then one company would bribe the gov't, become the local monopoly and we could have crappy falling apart sidewalks we have to pay to use | 13:05 |
| johnx | and then they'd put monthly 'caps' on our walking | 13:05 |
| Macer | no. we have anti-trust laws | 13:05 |
| Macer | bastards | 13:05 |
| * SpeedEvil wants skytran. | 13:05 | |
| Macer | there are toll roads :) | 13:05 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.skytran.net/ | 13:05 |
| Macer | actually! | 13:06 |
| Macer | in chicago there are privately owned toll roads | 13:06 |
| johnx | "whoa, whoa. done a lot of walking this month buddy. were you borrowing CDs from a friend? that's illegal on our sidewalks." | 13:06 |
| SpeedEvil | maglev hyper-light rail with 1-person cars. | 13:06 |
| Macer | the city sold them to private companies :) | 13:06 |
| * johnx extends metaphors beyond all reason | 13:06 | |
| Macer | johnx: hahhaa! | 13:06 |
| dottedmag | johnx: sidewalks idea pretty much describes situation here | 13:06 |
| johnx | dottedmag, pay per use? monthly caps? private companies? | 13:06 |
| johnx | wow. that's pretty crazy | 13:07 |
| dottedmag | johnx: monopolies | 13:07 |
| slonopotamus_ | dottedmag, o_O | 13:07 |
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| Macer | dottedmag: china? ;) | 13:07 |
| dottedmag | Macer: russia :-/ | 13:07 |
| Macer | i didn't know russia was still a socialist republic | 13:08 |
| Macer | oh wait | 13:08 |
| * Macer stares at the US | 13:08 | |
| Macer | never mind | 13:08 |
| dottedmag | Macer: there are lots of places when xUSSR is still felt. E.g. house maintenance. | 13:08 |
| Macer | house maintenance? | 13:08 |
| Macer | didn't the govt recently unban a book there? :) | 13:09 |
| Macer | where the author was exiled for writing it | 13:09 |
| dottedmag | Uhm, dunno the right term - there are appartment blocks, which are managed by locla companies. | 13:09 |
| dottedmag | *local | 13:09 |
| Macer | oh.. that is similar to here | 13:09 |
| Macer | you can't just trash an apt :) | 13:09 |
| Macer | and the company can sue you if you do | 13:10 |
| dottedmag | But those "companies" are mostly the same old gov't-subsidized agencies. | 13:10 |
| dottedmag | So appartment owners can't change the company if it is inadequate (and they are most of the time, as they don't need to get a profit) | 13:11 |
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| johnx | yeah, gov't installed monopolies are always a special situation :) | 13:12 |
| Macer | wolverine and the x-men is pretty good | 13:14 |
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| lardman | morning all | 13:16 |
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| Stskeeps | morn lardman | 13:18 |
| lardman | hi Stskeeps | 13:19 |
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| McLightning | helloo | 15:20 |
| McLightning | anybody here | 15:20 |
| McLightning | anybody here???????????? | 15:21 |
| McLightning | hello | 15:21 |
| Myrtti | echo replies: ...lo | 15:21 |
| McLightning | anybody online? | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | no | 15:22 |
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| McLightning | anybody has tried Linux Multimedia Studio with easy debian?? | 15:23 |
| jeremiah | I am not online either. | 15:26 |
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| Myrtti | yeah, we're all totally offline | 15:28 |
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| McLightning | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31583&goto=newpost | 15:30 |
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| wazd | 'lo everybody | 15:56 |
| jeremiah | lo wazd | 15:57 |
| wazd | http://i053.radikal.ru/0909/2d/f61f41ea6407.png <- what do you see here? :) | 15:57 |
| jeremiah | I see wazf | 15:57 |
| jeremiah | sorry. wazd | 15:57 |
| wazd | jeremiah: cool :) | 15:57 |
| jeremiah | Cool logo, looks like an anagram as well. | 15:58 |
| rkirti | with the updside-down-reversal propert :) | 15:58 |
| rkirti | s/propert/property | 15:58 |
| Myrtti | two fists | 15:58 |
| wazd | jeremiah: that's an ambigram :) | 15:58 |
| jeremiah | heh | 15:58 |
| jeremiah | http://i053.radikal.ru/ <- Why can't we see anything else under there? | 15:59 |
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| Myrtti | (last one upside down, with az in the middle) | 15:59 |
| rkirti | if you take a very very quick first look, it seems like pwned | 15:59 |
| wazd | ambigram generator told "no design is possible with this letters" | 15:59 |
| wazd | take that, sucker! :D | 15:59 |
| wazd | http://www.flipscript.com/ambigram-generator.aspx | 16:00 |
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| wazd | Myrtti: the more you see - the cooler it is :) | 16:00 |
| wazd | Myrtti: now I see fists too :P | 16:01 |
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| wazd | ambigram "az" was a pretty tough challenge :) | 16:02 |
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| jeremiah | Who runs maemo-guru? | 16:21 |
| jeremiah | It is a great site. | 16:21 |
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| jeremiah | Ah, Ricky Cadden | 16:22 |
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| zerojayPC | Shift-Ctrl-P = screenshot on N900. | 16:40 |
| zerojayPC | Which looks... painful. | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | well, that or use load applet | 16:41 |
| aSIMULAter | it's not so bad | 16:41 |
| zerojayPC | Nice that there's a shortcut at all. | 16:43 |
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| zerojayPC | Looks like someone beat me to the idea I had for an N900 background... hehe: http://twitpic.com/hf3fv | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | hah | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | excellent | 16:45 |
| wazd | zerojayPC: nice :) | 16:50 |
| wazd | but I think it doesn't fit | 16:51 |
| zerojayPC | How so? | 16:52 |
| * qwerty12 finds ctrl-shift-p to be quicker than the Load Applet, personally | 16:52 | |
| wazd | zerojayPC: it's too wide imo :) | 16:54 |
| zerojayPC | wazd: How is it too wide? | 16:54 |
| zerojayPC | It's the background for all four desktops. | 16:54 |
| wazd | zerojayPC: oh, no, it's fine, looks like I have bad eye today :) | 16:55 |
| wazd | zerojayPC: yeah, I know, I've downloaded Theme Maker too :P | 16:55 |
| wazd | as for n900 itself, I'd rather develop "multiple plains" concept to blow user minds | 16:56 |
| zerojayPC | I always just prefered grabbing the icons from /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ and screwing with them. Heh. | 16:56 |
| wazd | now there are 2 plains - widgets and background | 16:56 |
| zerojayPC | Yeah, more paralax would be nice. | 16:57 |
| wazd | what if background itself would be 3 or 4 different plains itself | 16:57 |
| ShadowJK | it would be cool if you could have more then panning transition, say rotating a cube ;P | 16:57 |
| wazd | like good ol 16 bit games does :) | 16:57 |
| wazd | that would add very cool 3D effect while sliding, just awesome | 16:58 |
| ShadowJK | I know what you mean :) | 16:58 |
| ShadowJK | parallax? | 16:58 |
| wazd | you can fake real 3d landscape panorama for example, or console game aswell :) | 16:58 |
| wazd | ShadowJK: well, yeah | 16:58 |
| wazd | or you can emulate FOV, possibilities are really cool | 16:59 |
| zerojayPC | Hmm. | 17:00 |
| wazd | And I don't think that it would affect framerates | 17:00 |
| ShadowJK | On N8x0, I wonder if (in Mer?) you could have the panning desktops... Except, for smoothness, you'd probably want to halt X temporarily and bang the omapfb direct for HW-assisted panning :) | 17:00 |
| zerojayPC | Being able to script the background... would be very nice. | 17:00 |
| wazd | just sliding .pngs | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: saw qtablet video? | 17:00 |
| ShadowJK | nope | 17:00 |
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| wazd | can anybody explain how widgets are skinned in m5? like this for example: http://twitpic.com/fllpv | 17:05 |
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| wazd | are the row colours hardcoded of not? | 17:05 |
| zerojayPC | what row colors? | 17:06 |
| wazd | zerojayPC: calendar applet | 17:06 |
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| ShadowJK | hah... one thing that's amazing about S60... when it works... How you can, for example, in the IRC client, connect to one network through cellular data, and to another network via WLAN | 17:07 |
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| ShadowJK | Setting that kind of stuff up in Linux would be a painful excercise :) | 17:08 |
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| airtonarantes | Can I solve instalation problems maemo sdk here? | 17:11 |
| zerojayPC | If the right people are here and awake, sure. | 17:12 |
| ShadowJK | Generic advice: Don't ask if you can ask a question, just ask the question. With luck there will be someone around who can help, or then someone will see the question later and reply | 17:13 |
| airtonarantes | I've just finished to install scratchbox. Then, I has gone to install the maemo sdk, but I get an error: E: You must close your other scratchbox sessions first. I don't know what session could be. Does anyone can help me? | 17:14 |
| lbt | you have some running process - did you do sb-af-start.sh | 17:16 |
| zerojayPC | Just try restarting your scratchbox completely. | 17:16 |
| airtonarantes | lbt, there is no sb-af-start.sh..... only: sb-adduser sb-conf sb-menu sb-reinstall sbrsh-conf. zerojayPC , How can I restart my scratchbox? | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | uh, odd question - HAM in maemo5 doesnt support installation from deb, right? | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | how are we supposed to get people to use deb file themes? :) | 17:18 |
| zerojayPC | Stskeeps: I believe you still can do it in red pill mode. | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | sure, or dpkg -i | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | i know that, but does joe user? :P | 17:19 |
| zerojayPC | Why wouldn't your deb file theme be in extras? | 17:20 |
| qwerty12 | Tom is expected to upload his theme to Extras =) | 17:20 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: got any .debs for me to try yet of whatever theme? | 17:22 |
| zerojayPC | lbt, airtonarantes: af-sb-init.sh not sb-af-init.sh | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | preferably something without grey default background | 17:23 |
| lbt | zerojayPC: yeah - but if he'd done that it would have jogged his memory | 17:23 |
| * lbt doesn't use scrutchbox | 17:24 | |
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| * qwerty12 would castrate himself before touching SB2 again | 17:24 | |
| * zerojayPC remembers that. | 17:25 | |
| airtonarantes | zerojayPC, sorry, af-sb-init.sh there isn't. | 17:26 |
| zerojayPC | airtonarantes: You must have messed up something during the installation of scratchbox then. | 17:28 |
| airtonarantes | zerojayPC, I just run the scratch box script and added my user. | 17:29 |
| pupnik_ | extended backlight would be cool if it removed the existing brightness/volume icons to make space, and allowed setting of screen-dimming times (extended) | 17:29 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: not yet, sorry, that fricking deadline is killing me :( | 17:29 |
| Myrtti | pupnik_: but it's a nobrainer to remove the existing icons yourself? | 17:30 |
| pupnik_ | i'd have to google that :) | 17:30 |
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| pupnik_ | and then id lose setting dimming periods | 17:30 |
| Myrtti | atleast in diablo the dimming period isn't IIRC related to the icons at all | 17:31 |
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| Myrtti | and the panel settings are in the configuration options just like about everything | 17:31 |
| pupnik_ | click brighness icon -> display settings | 17:31 |
| Myrtti | pupnik_: display settings are in the configuration options too | 17:32 |
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| pupnik_ | true enough | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: ah, my apologies, i thought it was over alread :) | 17:33 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: well, it is :D but I've not finished my work :) That's how deadline works :D | 17:41 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: ah ;) | 17:46 |
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| Jaffa | af'noon | 18:14 |
| lardman | hey Jaffa | 18:16 |
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| kpel | hi Jaffa | 18:21 |
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| lardman | re | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Thanks. | 18:59 |
| * SpeedEvil adds vegetable shortning to tesco order. | 18:59 | |
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| pupnik_ | does maemo5 wrap any x or sdl window in an opengl texture? | 19:03 |
| pupnik_ | for that multi-app overview thing etc | 19:04 |
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| Stskeeps | andre810: managed to avoid the water masses in turkey? | 19:05 |
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| andre810 | Stskeeps: yeah. but the neighbours of a friend of mine now have nothing left | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | auch :/ | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | i did worry just a little bit when seeing the news, so | 19:06 |
| andre810 | no fun. this town grows way too fast | 19:06 |
| andre810 | yeah. tuesday's raining was heavy here | 19:07 |
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| Stskeeps | hope it still has been some degree of vacation though | 19:09 |
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| andre810 | Stskeeps: definitely it is. weather is really differing as the town is so big :-) | 19:14 |
| andre810 | time for a beer.... | 19:15 |
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| Firebird | X-Fade, ping | 19:27 |
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| GAN800 | Man, my battery life has suddenly gone completely to shit. | 20:58 |
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| ShadowJK | GAN800, on? | 20:59 |
| GAN800 | My N800 | 20:59 |
| ShadowJK | bluetooth tethering or wifi? | 20:59 |
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| GAN800 | ShadowJK, WiFi, but my setup hasn't changed. | 21:12 |
| ShadowJK | Has the high battery use persisted across reboots? | 21:13 |
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| luke-jr | low battery life does not imply high battery use | 21:24 |
| luke-jr | there ARE other factors | 21:24 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 21:25 |
| ShadowJK | I wish I had some spare time so I could make some software to help in diagnosing | 21:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | GAN800: how suddenly? And do you have anohter bateryt? And how old is th ebattery | 21:27 |
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| ShadowJK | The way the battery meter seems to work, is that if the battery is old and crappy, after it shows 3 bars instead of 4, it starts dropping fast | 21:30 |
| luke-jr | O.o | 21:34 |
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| LoCusF | I saw at one video that there is a nokia energy profiler available for N900 | 21:35 |
| ShadowJK | LoCusF, yes :) | 21:36 |
| ShadowJK | I noticed that too | 21:36 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/conboy-freetheme.png - thanks to the template in theme maker :) | 21:42 |
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| GAN800 | ShadowJK, since last night suddenly, about two years. | 21:43 |
| ShadowJK | any reboot cycle since? | 21:44 |
| GAN800 | Yes, I have about a half-dozen other batteries, but haven't swapped out yet. | 21:44 |
| GAN800 | It died early this morning. | 21:44 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 21:44 |
| SpeedEvil | With mdern devices that use lots of energy in peaks battery failure can be very sudden | 21:45 |
| ShadowJK | Also the nokia battery metering seems to assume the battery has it's new capacity when full charge is reach | 21:49 |
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| ShadowJK | so when it doesn't, and it realizes it, it drops the meter pretty fast, if it even realizes it in time .) | 21:49 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 21:49 |
| GAN800 | Have to swap one of the newer batteries in. | 21:49 |
| GAN800 | To any Hava users, I emailed them asking about Fremantle support today. | 21:50 |
| angasule | can one buy batteries for the N900 from someone other than Nokia? | 21:50 |
| Myrtti | on your own risk | 21:50 |
| ShadowJK | angasule, you can search for it | 21:50 |
| ShadowJK | Nokia tends to use the same battery in many devices, so there's usually many third parties making them | 21:50 |
| angasule | I'm not planning to, this is out of curiosity, is it legal, etc? | 21:50 |
| GAN800 | Sure, there's a ton of Chinese clones. | 21:51 |
| angasule | ah, ok, thanks :) | 21:51 |
| unixSnob | what's the deal with these Nokia holograms on batteries? Why does the consumer care about battery authenticity? | 21:51 |
| GAN800 | Good luck getting comparable capacity, though. | 21:51 |
| angasule | I wouldn't do it at all, though, the cost of a battery is nothing compared to the N900 + the data I would put in it | 21:51 |
| Myrtti | unixSnob: if the battery explodes inside your device... | 21:51 |
| unixSnob | aftermarket batteries often have more capacity.. that's teh selling point | 21:51 |
| GAN800 | unixSnob, because non-Nokia batteries are explosion prone at worst and lower capacity at best. | 21:51 |
| unixSnob | ah, so Nokia is voiding the warranty.. makes sense | 21:52 |
| ShadowJK | unixSnob, the Nokia hologram (and the code you can find beneath the black thick paint you can scratch off and enter on a nokia website for a one-time authenticity check) guarantees that the battery has been manufactured with Nokia's quality standards and is less likely to blow up :) | 21:52 |
| GAN800 | No, they really don't. | 21:52 |
| ShadowJK | Btw, the much acclaimed mugen power battery that's rated at 1800mAh is really only 1200mAh | 21:52 |
| ShadowJK | marketing inflation :) | 21:52 |
| GAN800 | Many ADVERTISE higher capacity, but actually have lower capacity. | 21:52 |
| ShadowJK | yeah :) | 21:52 |
| GAN800 | So, Nokia batteries really are your best bet. | 21:53 |
| * angasule got into an argument with a Mac fanatic recently :P | 21:53 | |
| GAN800 | Both for safety and practical reasons. | 21:53 |
| GAN800 | Zealots are everywhere. | 21:53 |
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| Myrtti | on related news: http://www.naturalnews.com/PhotoTour_Energizer_Batteries_2.html | 21:53 |
| angasule | yeah, pointless to argue with them, but he raised some points I found interesting to check, like whether one can buy alternative batteries | 21:54 |
| unixSnob | well I hate the idea of batteries not being a competitive market. | 21:54 |
| GAN800 | I just bought a bunch of eneloops. | 21:54 |
| ShadowJK | eneloops are the best :-) | 21:54 |
| GAN800 | I'm excited to have some NiMHs that don't run out in a month. | 21:54 |
| angasule | unixSnob: it sounds to me like there is competition, but nokia just creams the rest | 21:54 |
| unixSnob | what if something not battery related goes wrong w/ the NIT, and you return it with a chinese battery? Is that voided? | 21:54 |
| unixSnob | angasule: well if they void the warranty, it's anti-competitive | 21:55 |
| GAN800 | angasule, the aftermarket batteries for Apple laptops are actually higher capacity than the Apple ones in many cases. | 21:55 |
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| ShadowJK | unixSnob, put the nokia battery back in first :P | 21:55 |
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| unixSnob | yeah, guess I'll hold on to dead OEM batteries | 21:55 |
| unixSnob | i was just about to toss one out | 21:55 |
| GAN800 | Recycle, please. | 21:56 |
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| unixSnob | GAN800: i didn't mean toss it to the landfill | 21:56 |
| unixSnob | mobile phone dealers in belgium accept the batteries | 21:56 |
| angasule | unixSnob: hmm, does it void the warranty if they blow up, or always? in the blow up case, I'd say it's justified | 21:56 |
| ShadowJK | if it blows up and destroys your device, then the warranty doesn't cover it :P | 21:56 |
| GAN800 | Batteries are actually surprisingly recycleable. | 21:57 |
| unixSnob | angasule: yes, it's justified in the corner case of batter explosion, and the OEM swap won't work in that case.. so I don't have a problem with it. But if nokia denies warranty on the screen because of a chinese battery, I would object | 21:57 |
| ShadowJK | unixSnob, they don't have to know, just put the nokia battery back in ;) | 21:58 |
| GAN800 | I doubt they would. | 21:58 |
| angasule | ShadowJK: I was about to say that :P | 21:59 |
| angasule | that kind of warranty voiding shouldn't be allowed, same with the software on laptops | 21:59 |
| angasule | 'if you uninstall our crapware/spyware, warranty is void' | 21:59 |
| unixSnob | it's better to wait until the OEM warranty runs out anyway... the credit card companies give cash under their warranties.. and I'd rather have cash ;) | 21:59 |
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| unixSnob | (at least that's the case in the states... europeans are screwed in that sense) | 22:00 |
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| ShadowJK | yeah, by the time our two year warranty runs out, the device is obsolete :) | 22:01 |
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| unixSnob | ShadowJK: not only that, but Nokia is the only means to get the warranty claim honored during the 2 years | 22:01 |
| unixSnob | ShadowJK: in the states, the first year you deal with Nokia, the 2nd year you deal with the credit card company | 22:02 |
| ShadowJK | here you deal with the store you bought it from. They're obliged to handle it for you | 22:02 |
| ShadowJK | Or you can go straight to nokia :) | 22:02 |
| unixSnob | ShadowJK: really? all EU countries? | 22:02 |
| ShadowJK | atleast in .fi. | 22:02 |
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| ShadowJK | UK is somewhat backwards, and I can't speak the language of other countries so I don't know how they do it :P | 22:03 |
| unixSnob | ShadowJK: I think belgian customer service folks would laugh if I tried to make a warranty claim | 22:03 |
| ShadowJK | But I do know that in .fi, it's always the seller's responsibility | 22:03 |
| unixSnob | ShadowJK: so the seller must deal with the manufacturer? I like that... that's a good system, because it's the seller that had a contract with the mfr in the first place | 22:04 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 22:04 |
| unixSnob | ShadowJK: hopefully you can still go to the manufacturer if the seller goes under | 22:04 |
| ShadowJK | Atleast with nokia you can go to nokia care | 22:05 |
| unixSnob | (or if the seller is a fly by night operation) | 22:05 |
| Jaffa | ShadowJK: Same in the UK. The seller has legal responsibility. Not the manufacturer. | 22:05 |
| ShadowJK | ah :) | 22:05 |
| Jaffa | It's just most of the time, people don't know their rights and they'll fob you off onto the manufactuer. | 22:05 |
| unixSnob | Manufacturers must have a legal responsibility as well... to the vendors | 22:05 |
| Jaffa | Sale of Goods Act 1979 (amended) is fantastic. It's also got the "expectation of reasonable use"; which convention puts at 7 years for electrical devices. | 22:06 |
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| Jaffa | Meaning the whole "you've only got a 2 year warranty" thing wouldn't stand up if you pushed. | 22:06 |
| unixSnob | i would hope the manufacturer would cover consumers directly, when the vendors are gone/bankrupt/non-responsive | 22:07 |
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| unixSnob | The UK must be the best place to buy electronics, because they have the extra protection of good credit cards (unlike the rest of europe) | 22:07 |
| vladovg | hi | 22:07 |
| ShadowJK | credit cards are a bit tabu in many other places :) | 22:07 |
| vladovg | everyone | 22:07 |
| unixSnob | british credit cards are as protective as US credit cards, from what I understand | 22:09 |
| * unixSnob wonders if it's possible to get a British credit card that's settled in euros | 22:09 | |
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| unixSnob | china is the only place that has dual currency credit cards | 22:11 |
| unixSnob | i wish I could get a dual currency credit card in USD/EUR | 22:12 |
| SpeedEvil | The Distance Sales Act is good too. | 22:12 |
| SpeedEvil | You have 10 days to return an item after you buy it online. | 22:13 |
| SpeedEvil | And can open it. | 22:13 |
| Jaffa | s/10/14/ :-) | 22:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - if they don't do the required paperwork - it's 6 months to return | 22:13 |
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| unixSnob | nice | 22:13 |
| unixSnob | sounds like the way to buy one of these triple sim chinese phones that retailers won't carry | 22:14 |
| SpeedEvil | ( large sellers with a clue do comply with the letter) | 22:14 |
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| * GAN800 doesn't get the portrait obsession. | 22:17 | |
| GAN800 | I use my 5800 almost exclussively in landscape. | 22:18 |
| zerojay | Me either, ugh. | 22:18 |
| GAN800 | Except for the stupid homescreen which is portrait only. | 22:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Clearly the only logical way is the way that gives you the widest screen. | 22:18 |
| GAN800 | It seems like the capacitive insanity. | 22:18 |
| SpeedEvil | This is holding the device diagonally | 22:18 |
| Jaffa | Everyone I've seen using an N97 also uses it landscape | 22:19 |
| zerojay | We should start complaining for diagonal mode. | 22:19 |
| zerojay | Or sidetalking. | 22:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I want to see a B&W mode | 22:19 |
| SpeedEvil | e-ink on the back would be _so_ cool | 22:20 |
| ShadowJK | that sounds a bit silly | 22:20 |
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| lardman | hmm, anyone know what order a list of files will be processed in for a Makefile? | 22:20 |
| javispedro | ag, talking about portrait here too? :P | 22:21 |
| GAN800 | I want upside down mode. | 22:22 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN800: What about the times when you're lying down next to a mirror, and it's just more convenient to look at the screen in the mirror? | 22:23 |
| javispedro | lardman: what you mean? a rule like "test: a b c d" would run a first, then b, etc. | 22:23 |
| lardman | more like somemodule: ${OBJ} | 22:23 |
| lardman | in which order are the files in ${OBJ} looked at? | 22:24 |
| javispedro | if OBJ is a var, it will be textually expanded in the rule definition | 22:24 |
| lardman | yep | 22:24 |
| lardman | and if it's a list of .o files, what order will the .c files be turn into the .o files? | 22:24 |
| lardman | wow, that sentence is just all bad in grammatical terms | 22:25 |
| lardman | :) | 22:25 |
| javispedro | it will try the first .o file, deduce from it that the .c file exists, and thus try to build the first on the list | 22:25 |
| lardman | ok, so starts from the front, cool, thanks | 22:25 |
| javispedro | lardman: ultimately tho, I don't know if it's safe to depend on that behaviour, but at least that's what it does here. | 22:26 |
| * javispedro wastes time rebuilding sbox | 22:26 | |
| lardman | am trying to work out why I'm getting undefined reference errors while compiling, thought order might be partly it | 22:26 |
| javispedro | when linking | 22:27 |
| javispedro | yes, that happens usually :S | 22:27 |
| lardman | yeah, ~lart Makefiles ;) | 22:27 |
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| javispedro | I wonder if there's any sbox dev here? | 22:29 |
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| lardman | what commands do I need to make a .a library? | 22:31 |
| lardman | obviously not -o libname.a | 22:31 |
| lardman | s/commands/switches | 22:31 |
| javispedro | i don't know if gcc can do that, the usual approach is to use "ar" | 22:32 |
| lardman | ok, thanks | 22:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | Doesn't ar only work for pirate software? | 22:33 |
| Proteous | tiver me shombersa | 22:34 |
| Proteous | wow | 22:34 |
| Proteous | tiver me shimbers | 22:34 |
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| Jaffa | Right. I've dropped 3 people in it on -community (hopefully they'll accept). | 22:38 |
| Jaffa | I'm going on holiday tomorrow and haven't got time to spend persuading them to run ;) | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | phew, i wasn't on the list :> | 22:39 |
| Jaffa | Ooooh. | 22:40 |
| Jaffa | Good idea :) | 22:40 |
| zerojayPC | lol | 22:40 |
| Firebird | anyone know what that "category selection thing after you install an application" is called in the maemo.org wiki? | 22:40 |
| zerojayPC | Owned. | 22:40 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Thought about running? | 22:40 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa, i have enough in my hands already for council stuff :/ | 22:41 |
| Jaffa | Yeah | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | i'm better off as a henchman ;) | 22:41 |
| Igg-man | What's "mer"? | 22:41 |
| javispedro | ~mer | 22:41 |
| infobot | from memory, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer | 22:41 |
| GAN800 | Firebird, maemo-select-menu-location. Deprecated in Fremantle. | 22:42 |
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| Igg-man | cool | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | it's also what the swedish fremantle says instead of 'More.." | 22:42 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: It's not deprecated. It's gone. | 22:42 |
| GAN800 | That too. | 22:42 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: I thought it was going to stay as a no-op, but it's just not present :-/ | 22:42 |
| javispedro | "if you're going to break binary compatibilty anyway, why not do it the big way?" ;) | 22:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: It was exactly that in the earlier SDK releases... | 22:43 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: Indeed, that's what I thought | 22:43 |
| * brbrbr warmly greet everyone | 22:43 | |
| Jaffa | So it was deprecated in one beta, and gone in the next! ;-) | 22:43 |
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| rm_you | So, when should I be arriving in Amsterdam? Need to tell the travel people so I can get my flight booked... Sometime on the 8th? | 22:52 |
| * unixSnob just discovered that there is a USA Cherokee keyboard layout option in debian | 22:52 | |
| Jaffa | rm_you: I believe so. | 22:53 |
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| Stskeeps | rm_you: i'm there from 8th around 2pm at least | 22:53 |
| rm_you | k | 22:53 |
| unixSnob | what's going on in amsterdam? | 22:53 |
| rm_you | when do your guys flights get in? | 22:53 |
| rm_you | If I arrange for around the same time we could meet up and make things easy | 22:54 |
| unixSnob | i'll be in amsterdam on the 8th I think.. what's going on?? | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | unixSnob: maemo summit? :P | 22:54 |
| aSIMULAter | 8th at 4pm | 22:54 |
| unixSnob | hmm.. maybe I should stop by | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | 9-11 oct | 22:54 |
| rm_you | Jaffa: have you booked yet? | 22:54 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: Just doing it now (checking flights from BHX) | 22:55 |
| unixSnob | what's the agenda at a maemo summit? and what's on the 9-11th? | 22:55 |
| Jaffa | unixSnob: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009 ;-) | 22:56 |
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| unixSnob | it just happens that i'll be on vacation.. but I'll be with a friend who is not a nerd - who doesn't even have a computer | 22:59 |
| unixSnob | he'll be bored out of his mind at that | 23:00 |
| Jaffa | unixSnob: Party. User track. | 23:00 |
| unixSnob | his party options are limited too... he's a recovering alcoholic | 23:00 |
| Jaffa | Ah | 23:01 |
| luke-jr | :O! | 23:01 |
| luke-jr | I think I found my next handheld... | 23:01 |
| unixSnob | luke-jr: does it accept triple sims? No? then it's a piece of garbage and not forward thinking enough | 23:01 |
| luke-jr | 1024x600, nice keyboard, CortexA8 @ 800 MHz, 512 MB RAM | 23:02 |
| Jaffa | Oh? | 23:02 |
| mavhc | why not just have a software sim? | 23:02 |
| chx | what? | 23:02 |
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| luke-jr | unixSnob: not a phone | 23:02 |
| chx | 1024x600? | 23:02 |
| chx | where | 23:02 |
| * chx is excited | 23:02 | |
| luke-jr | chx: Sharp NetWalker PC-Z1 | 23:02 |
| luke-jr | successor to the Zaurus clamshells | 23:02 |
| Jaffa | No BT, IIRC | 23:02 |
| luke-jr | Jaffa: hmm, good point | 23:02 |
| chx | 5 inch. | 23:02 |
| * luke-jr wonders how to expand it | 23:02 | |
| chx | does it have wifi? bluetooth? | 23:03 |
| luke-jr | wifi, yes | 23:03 |
| lardman | hmm, should I be able to use pkg-config with python? | 23:03 |
| luke-jr | 2x USB | 23:03 |
| luke-jr | not sure on BT | 23:03 |
| lardman | I don't seem to have any python entries | 23:03 |
| chx | six row keyboard | 23:03 |
| chx | oooooh | 23:03 |
| chx | $480? i have $480 left in my bag in various currencies from my last trip | 23:03 |
| unixSnob | Jaffa: it just occured to me that in this part of the world, the party substances are a bit more enhanced than alcohol | 23:03 |
| luke-jr | lol | 23:03 |
| chx | if it has BT, where can i get one? right now ? | 23:03 |
| unixSnob | Jaffa: so my buddy might have some fun there | 23:04 |
| aSIMULAter | don't forget the hookers | 23:04 |
| luke-jr | chx: no BT :( | 23:04 |
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| Jaffa | aSIMULAter: You shouldn't be encouraging such things! | 23:04 |
| chx | then how do you hook it up to a phone :( ? | 23:04 |
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| luke-jr | chx: USB? :/ | 23:04 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: shh... | 23:04 |
| unixSnob | i know my buddy will like the red light options too | 23:04 |
| chx | luke-jr: i have a USB BT dongle sure | 23:04 |
| aSIMULAter | :D | 23:04 |
| luke-jr | chx: but it will stick out :( | 23:04 |
| chx | but the cool stuff about N810 is the builtin celullar provider wizard | 23:04 |
| luke-jr | I know from experience those sort of setups = broken adapters | 23:05 |
| chx | luke-jr: you are behind | 23:05 |
| luke-jr | chx: I run Gentoo on my N810 | 23:05 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: Looking at flights from Birmingham, I'll be arriving in AMS at about 09:15 on the Thursday. Whole day of fun | 23:05 |
| luke-jr | chx: behind? | 23:05 |
| chx | luke-jr: have you seen the latest BT adapters? | 23:05 |
| luke-jr | chx: this was on my *last* handheld | 23:05 |
| aSIMULAter | unixSnob: there's also an xqlisive event on the 10th | 23:05 |
| luke-jr | chx: never used BT actually | 23:05 |
| rm_you | 9:15am? | 23:05 |
| aSIMULAter | he could go to that if he's bored | 23:05 |
| Jaffa | aSIMULAter: You going to be there, BTW? Your T-shirt comment suggested you were... | 23:05 |
| aSIMULAter | yes i am :) | 23:05 |
| luke-jr | chx: my SL-C760 didn't have WiFi, so I had a CompactFlash Wifi card | 23:05 |
| * aSIMULAter kinda scared | 23:05 | |
| luke-jr | it stuck out just a little for the antenna | 23:05 |
| aSIMULAter | i don't know anyone hehe | 23:05 |
| luke-jr | but still got broken somehow | 23:06 |
| chx | luke-jr: http://catalog.belkin.com/images/product/F8T016/FUL1_F8T016.jpg | 23:06 |
| Jaffa | aSIMULAter: hmm | 23:06 |
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| chx | luke-jr: i have similar | 23:06 |
| aSIMULAter | i know a few people going from finland | 23:06 |
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| chx | luke-jr: its so small that you actually need needle nose pliers to pry it out :D | 23:06 |
| aSIMULAter | so it won't be that bad but otherwise it's my first time going to such an event | 23:06 |
| Jaffa | aSIMULAter: Hopefully it'll be less geeky than last time. Even *I* felt out-geeked. | 23:07 |
| chx | luke-jr: http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/24/princetons-itty-bitty-usb-bluetooth-2-0-edr-module/ this is what i have | 23:07 |
| Jaffa | And I'm a pretty big geek | 23:07 |
| aSIMULAter | hehe :) | 23:07 |
| luke-jr | chx: nice | 23:07 |
| luke-jr | so sacrifice one USB port for BT? not bad | 23:07 |
| * dottedmag has mentioned '#maemo' in twitter and now half-of-the world follows him | 23:08 | |
| Stskeeps | heh | 23:08 |
| chx | luke-jr: yeah but will the software be good enough? | 23:08 |
| luke-jr | chx: does the black part fit into the USB slot? | 23:08 |
| luke-jr | chx: like I said, I use Gentoo | 23:08 |
| Jaffa | luke-jr: What's the shipped OS on it? | 23:08 |
| luke-jr | Jaffa: Ubuntu | 23:08 |
| chx | luke-jr: no it sticks a tiny out | 23:08 |
| luke-jr | and with 512 MB RAM, I imagine KDE should be usable | 23:08 |
| * zerojayPC perks. | 23:09 | |
| zerojayPC | Did someone say "hookers"? | 23:09 |
| Jaffa | luke-jr: NBR or just std? | 23:09 |
| aSIMULAter | hehe | 23:09 |
| luke-jr | Jaffa: no idea | 23:09 |
| Jaffa | zerojayPC: Ever been to Amsterdam? The Red Light District is *fascinating* (and pretty). | 23:09 |
| aSIMULAter | hookers and cheese | 23:09 |
| Jaffa | Just don't try to take any pictures. | 23:09 |
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| zerojayPC | Jaffa: No, I haven't. Show me. | 23:09 |
| luke-jr | if this PC-Z1 is sufficiently open spec, I think I'm selling my N810 | 23:10 |
| Jaffa | zerojayPC: http://www.amsterdam.info/red-light-district/ | 23:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Do they do discounts for two people? | 23:10 |
| zerojayPC | I need to learn more about this "Amsterdam" and it's culture. | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | Jaffa: "Smartbook Remix" | 23:10 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: I think they might charge more ;-) | 23:10 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: Or did you mean two punters? ;-) | 23:11 |
| zerojayPC | Hmm. | 23:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: two punters | 23:11 |
| zerojayPC | Might not be the best site to be looking at with my wife on the bed next to me. lol | 23:11 |
| Jaffa | zerojayPC: And, http://amsterdam-red-light-district.info/ | 23:11 |
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| zerojayPC | I keed, of course. | 23:11 |
| aSIMULAter | i think the city is willing to let you understand its culture zero | 23:11 |
| aSIMULAter | it will welcome you with open arms. | 23:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I thought it may be cheaper in bulk. Ah well | 23:12 |
| Jaffa | Anyhoo, also watch the bit at the start of Pulp Fiction about pot. | 23:12 |
| endorphinum | hi everyone, just a small question - if i have aptana for win xp, is there a more or less easy way to code a small web browser application for maemo ? | 23:12 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: I don't think that's how it works. I'm not an expert though...! | 23:12 |
| zerojayPC | aSIMULAter: Then I shall still the keys and run. | 23:12 |
| zerojayPC | er. | 23:12 |
| zerojayPC | steal | 23:12 |
| zerojayPC | bah. | 23:12 |
| * zerojayPC brain xplode | 23:12 | |
| unixSnob | the red light district is shrinking though -- conservatives are pushing back, and there are fewer coffee shops too | 23:12 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: lol | 23:12 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Fewer coffee shops?! This is a disgrace :( | 23:13 |
| * Jaffa was last there 5 years ago, but only had a brief walk through the RLD between a bus stop and the train station. | 23:13 | |
| unixSnob | they're being driven into a smaller area | 23:13 |
| zerojayPC | Good thing it was only brief. | 23:13 |
| Jaffa | Anyway, time to pack for the Netherlands (I'm getting to the summit 4 weeks early(\ | 23:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | "Brief" meaning longer than an hour? ;) | 23:13 |
| aSIMULAter | no coffeeshops allowed near schools and playgrounds | 23:13 |
| zerojayPC | Poor Starbucks. :( | 23:14 |
| unixSnob | aSIMULAter: yeah, and that's another problem.. students can't relax between tests | 23:14 |
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| zerojayPC | unixSnob: They can always whip out their dongs. | 23:14 |
| aSIMULAter | :D | 23:14 |
| unixSnob | dongs? you mean bongs? | 23:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | And blow their load | 23:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | of money | 23:15 |
| aSIMULAter | they've also made shrooms illegal because of some tourist's death..icelandic girl if i remember | 23:15 |
| unixSnob | I saw a shop selling shroomers a few weeks ago | 23:15 |
| zerojayPC | When I told my friends that I was going to Amsterdam, they all looked at me VERY funny. | 23:15 |
| zerojayPC | Since I've never touched drugs or hookers or anything like that. | 23:15 |
| aSIMULAter | but there's a loophole in the law which allows for philosopher stones to still be sold at smartshops | 23:15 |
| unixSnob | what are those? | 23:16 |
| zerojayPC | I guess shrooms. | 23:16 |
| aSIMULAter | they are the sclerotia of fungi | 23:16 |
| aSIMULAter | basically solid mass formed on the substrate of what the mycellium is growing on | 23:17 |
| aSIMULAter | it doesn't actually turn into a fruit body | 23:17 |
| zerojayPC | I am such a n00b. | 23:17 |
| unixSnob | ah | 23:17 |
| zerojayPC | I have NO idea what you're talking about now. lol | 23:17 |
| aSIMULAter | a good way to put it is like a truffle | 23:18 |
| unixSnob | kinda silly we have to eat the mycellium | 23:18 |
| unixSnob | that's normally just an act left to the impatient | 23:18 |
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| unixSnob | how did the tourist die? | 23:19 |
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| zerojayPC | The tourist's died by connection reset by peer, apparently. | 23:19 |
| aSIMULAter | to create sclerotia it takes months unlike just having fruitbodies appear | 23:19 |
| aSIMULAter | i think the tourist became dellusional and jumped off a canal | 23:19 |
| aSIMULAter | or a roof | 23:19 |
| aSIMULAter | one or the other | 23:19 |
| unixSnob | damn that sucks.. she ruined a great option for pschonauts | 23:20 |
| pupnik_ | depends on substrate - weeks in some media, months on logs | 23:20 |
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| aSIMULAter | sclerotia only occurs in a number of species but if you mean fruiting bodies yeah you're right...reishi for example | 23:21 |
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| pupnik_ | that is a cool looking mushroom | 23:21 |
| aSIMULAter | it is | 23:21 |
| * Jaffa is so totally out of his depth. And he went to UK public school... | 23:21 | |
| aSIMULAter | hehe i'm interested in mycology it could explain a lot | 23:22 |
| aSIMULAter | and i like mushroom identification | 23:22 |
| pupnik_ | :) growing mushrooms (for food) is a nice hobby | 23:22 |
| aSIMULAter | yes it is a nice hobby, it teaches you to clean your house :P | 23:22 |
| Jaffa | /nick pupnik_ EgonSpengler | 23:22 |
| aSIMULAter | especially when doing agar work | 23:23 |
| qwerty12_N810 | growing them to get high with is even better | 23:23 |
| * unixSnob thinks someone should genetically modify reishi to have a yin/yang symbol | 23:23 | |
| aSIMULAter | edibles are more rewarding | 23:23 |
| aSIMULAter | well i guess depends on who you are :P | 23:23 |
| zerojayPC | aSIMULAter: Oh yeah... I remember seeing your various mushroom pics now. | 23:24 |
| aSIMULAter | yes it's been a great season here in finland | 23:24 |
| pupnik_ | fresh homegrown taste better than supermarket - though the agaricus from supermkt are usually fine | 23:24 |
| unixSnob | this prohibition on shrooms is probably just cyclic.. more conservative BS that will go away | 23:24 |
| aSIMULAter | i found quite a rare edible..very choice...black chanterelles | 23:24 |
| pupnik_ | nice | 23:24 |
| aSIMULAter | and of course boletes edulis..porcini | 23:25 |
| aSIMULAter | golden chanterelles are out in full force too | 23:25 |
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| aSIMULAter | but i think they'll be less of them now that the weather is getting a bit colder in the evening | 23:25 |
| * pupnik_ is jealous | 23:25 | |
| pupnik_ | time to finish my hepa bench | 23:25 |
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| aSIMULAter | hehe you made your own hepa bench | 23:26 |
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| wazd | guys, ambigram modification, what do you think: http://s40.radikal.ru/i090/0909/c2/78607e6b9ccd.png | 23:27 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | It's missing mushrooms | 23:27 |
| lcukx41 | and bacon | 23:27 |
| aSIMULAter | and cheese | 23:27 |
| lcukx41 | and bacon | 23:28 |
| aSIMULAter | and crunk music | 23:28 |
| unixSnob | that's something i should have done.. all my shroomers got contaminated | 23:28 |
| wazd | can you understand what;s written without shrooms? :D | 23:28 |
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| * unixSnob had to carry huge piles of contaminated raunchy steer manure through the college dorm -- just as a boatload of new Japanese exchange students walked in | 23:29 | |
| unixSnob | needless to say, I didn't hook up with any of them | 23:29 |
| lcukx41 | qwerty12_N810, hows life in the #ivegotann900 club | 23:29 |
| aSIMULAter | well, if you were in fruiting stage with your mushrooms then you wouldn't need a hepa filter..hepa filter is mainly for innoculation and agar work | 23:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcukx41: I banned myself; ask javispedro :) | 23:30 |
| lcukx41 | hahahahahaha | 23:30 |
| lcukx41 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk27PenpAz0 | 23:30 |
| unixSnob | aSIMULAter: never got to fruiting.. just mycelium | 23:30 |
| lcukx41 | look at this | 23:30 |
| lcukx41 | its liqflow across multiple machines | 23:30 |
| zerojayPC | Yeah, cool stuff. | 23:30 |
| aSIMULAter | did you pasteurize? | 23:30 |
| lcukx41 | jussi crashanddie and jaffa and i were jamming | 23:30 |
| unixSnob | yeah, used a pressure cooker | 23:30 |
| unixSnob | (on jars of grain) | 23:30 |
| aSIMULAter | that's not pasteurizing | 23:30 |
| unixSnob | the mycelium was good.. the manure ruined it | 23:31 |
| aSIMULAter | pasteurizing manure is by boiling it at a certain temperature for a certain amount of hours | 23:31 |
| aSIMULAter | then letting it cool slowly | 23:31 |
| aSIMULAter | that way not all of the bacteria is dead from the substrate | 23:31 |
| pupnik_ | right, just bought innoculated grain/sawdust cultures and let them fruit | 23:31 |
| lcukx41 | qwerty12_N810, that vid was a really innovative thing | 23:31 |
| pupnik_ | (kuehneromyces mutabilis) | 23:31 |
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| wazd | lcukx41: let me guess, they are not networked? :) | 23:31 |
| lcukx41 | does it matter | 23:31 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | lcukx41: I saw the liqflow one this morning :) | 23:31 |
| unixSnob | The Mushroom Cultivator didn't suggest boiling the manure. It was composted, and naturally came up to temp | 23:31 |
| lcukx41 | #and when im done they will be | 23:31 |
| lcukx41 | :D | 23:32 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Your profanity filter is bs :) | 23:32 |
| aSIMULAter | don't know anyone who's grown those pupik | 23:32 |
| * zerojayPC switches his computer over to diagonal mode. | 23:32 | |
| lcukx41 | lol | 23:32 |
| unixSnob | aSIMULAter: the bacteria can't be killed in the manure.. it's in fact needed. The composting activates it | 23:32 |
| lcukx41 | its not mine | 23:32 |
| wazd | lcukx41: well, if they are - then there's a sense :) | 23:32 |
| lcukx41 | yeah zwazd | 23:32 |
| pupnik_ | Agrocybe aegerita / Agrocybe cylindracea | 23:32 |
| lcukx41 | gotta use the osc stuff i built | 23:32 |
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| lcukx41 | and the n900 rocks for power | 23:33 |
| aSIMULAter | so you just put your grain into manure? | 23:33 |
| aSIMULAter | without preparing the manure? | 23:33 |
| unixSnob | the bacteria supposedly has some kind of necessary role in the composting | 23:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcukx41: When is the stuff in Fremantle extras-devel getting updated? I'd love to try it out here... | 23:33 |
| unixSnob | the preperation was to mix water and some other things with the manure, and stir it daily | 23:33 |
| unixSnob | did that for a week before it was "ready" | 23:33 |
| unixSnob | that was per the guide.. but obviously something went wrong.. I may have added too much fertilizer | 23:34 |
| aSIMULAter | lol | 23:34 |
| aSIMULAter | uhm | 23:34 |
| aSIMULAter | this is wrong | 23:34 |
| * zerojayPC air guitars. | 23:34 | |
| aSIMULAter | you SHOULD sterilize in some way the manure | 23:34 |
| unixSnob | at the end? | 23:34 |
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| aSIMULAter | no...before you introduce spawn into it | 23:35 |
| aSIMULAter | like the rye grains | 23:35 |
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| unixSnob | i simply won't use manure again... especially in a dorm. Didn't do much to get me laid having a strong farm smell fuming from my door | 23:36 |
| aSIMULAter | and it's also good to use non treated horse or cow pies...just sun dried till the nitrates from the piss goes away | 23:36 |
| zerojayPC | Uh.. yeah. | 23:36 |
| crashanddie_ | Jaffa, you're going to hate me :P | 23:36 |
| lcukx41 | qwerty12_N810, try monday | 23:36 |
| zerojayPC | I'm starting to hate e-mail. | 23:36 |
| lcukx41 | ive got bugfixes done whilst here | 23:36 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ah, cool | 23:37 |
| lcukx41 | crashanddie_, Jaffa \o huzzah | 23:37 |
| qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie_: easily done :) | 23:37 |
| crashanddie_ | qwerty12_N810, stfu, unless you want to reset your beating counter and next time it'll be for real | 23:37 |
| zerojayPC | Between some random Chillian dude that can't read a "readme.txt" file for his life and some Aussie retard trying to sue me for using "zerojay" as my nick online... I don't even know why I bother with it anymore. | 23:37 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: congrtulations on joining the dark side btw :D | 23:37 |
| pupnik_ | also Pleurotus eryngii - tolerant of low humidity, huge fruitbodies, great meaty texture | 23:37 |
| qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie_: wanker :p | 23:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | wazd: :D | 23:38 |
| crashanddie_ | qwerty12_N810, there you go | 23:38 |
| crashanddie_ | qwerty12_N810, now next step, learning how to say that to my face without ducking for cover | 23:38 |
| * lcukx41 kicked vdvsxs ass | 23:38 | |
| pupnik_ | aSIMULAter - check the varieties i posted | 23:38 |
| aSIMULAter | yes those are nice | 23:38 |
| pupnik_ | :) | 23:38 |
| aSIMULAter | this is cool, do you want to trade plates? | 23:38 |
| aSIMULAter | omg does that sound retarded | 23:38 |
| aSIMULAter | do you want to trade plates | 23:38 |
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| aSIMULAter | or prints | 23:38 |
| aSIMULAter | lol | 23:38 |
| pupnik_ | slants, when i have some | 23:39 |
| aSIMULAter | cool | 23:39 |
| pupnik_ | or just order online | 23:40 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie_: Aww, *sob*. "You like me, you *really* like me!" | 23:40 |
| aSIMULAter | well yes i can do that | 23:41 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie_: And I'm _going_ to hate you? ;-) | 23:41 |
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| crashanddie_ | Ok, I think *I* need to start a few beating counters | 23:41 |
| wazd | Jaffa: please please, let Max go to the Summit, please please :) | 23:41 |
| aSIMULAter | it's usually nice to want to trade prints or cultures as camraderie in the same hobby :P | 23:41 |
| crashanddie_ | Jaffa, link to the youtube vid? | 23:42 |
| crashanddie_ | camaraderie | 23:42 |
| crashanddie_ | or the very russian-sounding comradeship | 23:43 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk27PenpAz0 | 23:43 |
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| crashanddie_ | that's just soooo coooooool | 23:44 |
| crashanddie_ | *drools* | 23:44 |
| florian | good morning | 23:44 |
| aSIMULAter | morning | 23:45 |
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| pupnik_ | aSIMULAter: yeah. It would also be nice to find some edible sapphophyte that other people haven't cultured. Or a different variety. Also i think i am noticing big taste differences depending on the substrate. | 23:45 |
| endorphinum | goood morning. | 23:45 |
| qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie_: I can buy a bib if you need it | 23:45 |
| aSIMULAter | what substrate do you use? | 23:46 |
| crashanddie_ | qwerty12_N810, I think you're become a bit overconfident | 23:46 |
| crashanddie_ | don't forget I'm actually in range to just stick my hand out the window and bitchslap you, so don't go too far mister | 23:47 |
| qwerty12_N810 | True, your hands are massive | 23:47 |
| Jaffa | Only one thing he's got isn't... | 23:47 |
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| wazd | qwerty12_N810: he can just crash you and then... you know :) | 23:47 |
| crashanddie_ | *drumroll* | 23:49 |
| crashanddie_ | Jaffa, yeah, don't have a big n900 :* | 23:49 |
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| wazd | hildon still draws buttons even if decorations are turned off | 23:51 |
| wazd | whiskey tango foxtrot | 23:52 |
| endorphinum | hey guys, i am trying to find out how i could develop a fullscreen maemo application to play my mojocafe.net mojos on my n800. i downloaded aptana as IDE so the main question is: do i realy realy realy need linux for the sdk or could i grab somewhere the framework of a browser (what is all i need) to develop my own kind of "browser" !? | 23:52 |
| wazd | http://s53.radikal.ru/i140/0909/b7/5fc77f4ceecb.png | 23:52 |
| zerojayPC | endorphinum: What's a mojo? | 23:53 |
| crashanddie_ | Jaffa, do we have a video of the identity projectors outside/ | 23:53 |
| crashanddie_ | ? | 23:53 |
| zerojayPC | wazd: Nice. | 23:53 |
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| endorphinum | zerojay: www.mojocafe.net | 23:53 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie_: I don't. | 23:53 |
| crashanddie_ | hmm | 23:53 |
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| zerojayPC | endorphinum: I'm even more confused now. | 23:53 |
| wazd | can anybody tell how to turn it off completely? | 23:53 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie_: lcuk had some; and there are others on the interwebs | 23:53 |
| Jaffa | zerojayPC: A series of Flash files to give widget-like behaviour | 23:54 |
| zerojayPC | Like Chumby then. | 23:54 |
| endorphinum | zerojay: a fullscreen widget offering clocks, calendars etc. to mobile devices. it's done via Adobe Flash so what i am searching for is a way to script some kind of browser without any buttons but a link to http://www.mojocafe.net/go | 23:54 |
| endorphinum | zero: exactly. but that you are not fixed on one device as you can use it on any of your mobile devices that support at least flash lite 2.1 | 23:54 |
| crashanddie_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX2KGh-aUno | 23:55 |
| zerojayPC | endorphinum: Chumby isn't either... except they don't tell you that. ;) | 23:55 |
| zerojayPC | endorphinum: Any reason a browser running full screen isn't good enough or...? | 23:56 |
| zerojayPC | Wait.. the site says it supports previous Maemo versions already. | 23:56 |
| endorphinum | zero: correct - but my aim is not to offer a quantity of widgets but quality of widgets. i love the chumby gadget but when it comes to the content it simply just sucks. you have hundreds of thousands of widgets done by people that think that they are vector artist but unfortunately they aren't :) | 23:56 |
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| zerojayPC | endorphinum: Fair enough. | 23:57 |
| endorphinum | zero: the mojocafe.net allready works on any device with flash lite but i want to make the starting of it for the user as easy as possible. at the moment i am playing around with Aptana to develop a s60 WRT so that people can install a Mojocafe application on their mobile phone and start it from the app folder. | 23:57 |
| zerojayPC | endorphinum: Wouldn't a shortcut under applications that uses a dbus call to run the browser and send the user to the site be good enough? | 23:58 |
| * zerojayPC thinks he confused himself midway through the sentence there. | 23:59 | |
| zerojayPC | Or... no, it's right. | 23:59 |
| endorphinum | yeah that sounds sure, but the main problem is that i do not own a pc with *unix on it so i am unable to download the maemo sdk and play around with it. but that solution would be just fine i think. | 23:59 |
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