| javispedro | :) still using gtk here tho. (stealing code from even gnome cause even showing a listbox is hard) | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | yeah | 00:00 |
| lcuk | gtk is nice and stable :) | 00:00 |
| javispedro | but even more verbose than java. and java is _very_ _very_ verbose. | 00:01 |
| lcuk | hah | 00:01 |
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| message144 | Hi... Does anyone know if Maemo 5 on Nokia n900 will have Thunderbird Address Book syncronization support for Ubuntu? | 00:08 |
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| message144 | Also, does anyone know if maemo5 on the n900 for TMobile will be crippled or locked down from having root access? | 00:13 |
| javispedro | it would be a surprise if it's able to sync with nokia's windows software, so I guess not. | 00:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: ke-recv in trunk has a "pcsuite_enable.sh" script which inserts "g_nokia" | 00:14 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810, wow! good to know :) | 00:15 |
| javispedro | even though wasn't the nokia protocol serial based? why implement it in the kernel? | 00:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It'd pretty much be a fail if a Nokia phone was unable to use PC Suite :p | 00:16 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Maybe they just wanted some USB gadget love | 00:16 |
| javispedro | ah, separate usb descriptors. makes sense. | 00:16 |
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| message144 | Does the nokia windows software have some kind of vcard/csv import? | 00:17 |
| * qwerty12_N810 wonders who'll do "g_itunes" a la Palm Pre ;) | 00:17 | |
| javispedro | we discussed it once here, shouldn't be hard. | 00:17 |
| * pupnik can tell time by jupiter now | 00:18 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | Guess not, a quick modification of g_file_storage would suffice... (Does iTunes support iPods in mass storage mode?) | 00:18 |
| javispedro | afaik all ipods are mass storage mode, only with some custom commands | 00:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ah, right, thanks :) | 00:19 |
| javispedro | don't take my word tho, I don't have one ;) | 00:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Heh, me neither... | 00:20 |
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| dark | Jajajaja i have hping3 and nmap how i can install more pentest tool into my maemo | 00:38 |
| dark | Anyone knows | 00:38 |
| * GeneralAntilles would be incredibly surprised if the T-Mobile N900 did have root access. | 00:38 | |
| lardman | there's a T-mobile N900? | 00:39 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: my wife has an ipod and I have windows, I might give it a go one day | 00:39 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Heh | 00:40 |
| dark | When did n900 go out the market | 00:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, apparently. | 00:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's what the FCC filing was for. | 00:40 |
| lardman | I dislike/distrust iTunes though | 00:40 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: ah, ok | 00:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | dark, announcement should be on September 2nd. | 00:40 |
| dark | Ok | 00:40 |
| andre__ | VDVsx, after a reboot the bluemaemo icon is shown. missing post-install? | 00:42 |
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| VDVsx | andre__, nop, but can be incompatible with fremantle | 00:43 |
| andre__ | hmm | 00:43 |
| andre__ | VDVsx, not the only app with that problem - see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4983 | 00:43 |
| lcuk | andre__, is there a generic solution to this | 00:44 |
| lcuk | if its on multi apps | 00:45 |
| lcuk | maybe a wiki page to help :) | 00:45 |
| andre__ | i have no idea myself about the reason. i just test, triage and report bugs :) | 00:45 |
| lcuk | hopefully your kilt is not standard workwear | 00:46 |
| lcuk | :P | 00:46 |
| javispedro | this one bug happens on sdk or on real device? | 00:46 |
| andre__ | lcuk, no, i normally work naked ;-) | 00:46 |
| andre__ | javispedro, hardware | 00:46 |
| lcuk | arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh tmi! | 00:47 |
| qwerty12_N810 | andre__: please don't report any bugs to do with the camera in that case :) | 00:47 |
| andre__ | lcuk, *you* asked :) | 00:47 |
| javispedro | my mind boggles what could be causing a bug like that | 00:47 |
| lcuk | javispedro, | 00:48 |
| lcuk | what, missing icons? | 00:48 |
| andre__ | javispedro, no clue. but there are applications that do not have that problem. | 00:48 |
| dark | Exist on nokia n810 a video recorder | 00:48 |
| * pupnik boggles at yuv | 00:48 | |
| javispedro | lcuk, yep, missing icons only in real device. | 00:48 |
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| pupnik | who invented that.. i bet some ee | 00:48 |
| lcuk | dont you have to update the icon cache for the folder you installed the icon to | 00:48 |
| lardman | dark: not really, there's a camera app that you might modify, but real-time encoding would be hard | 00:48 |
| lcuk | isnt that the same as 810 | 00:48 |
| javispedro | andre__, e.g. do you remember if the openttd icon appearead? | 00:49 |
| andre__ | it did. | 00:49 |
| dark | Ok | 00:49 |
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| pupnik | javispedro - is fps counter on build 0823 accurate? | 00:50 |
| javispedro | pupnik, it should :S why? | 00:50 |
| lardman | dark: possible using the DSP to perform the encoding I imagine, but not a quick task | 00:51 |
| pupnik | lower numbers than i thought i had in CT - 10-28 | 00:51 |
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| javispedro | you mean it feels faster than what the fps counter shows? | 00:51 |
| pupnik | btw 12khz is also good | 00:51 |
| pupnik | yes, maybe due to continuous music | 00:51 |
| javispedro | I had that feeling too | 00:52 |
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| javispedro | well, I _have that feeling.. | 00:52 |
| pupnik | i also | 00:52 |
| pupnik | maybe due tto small screen | 00:52 |
| javispedro | i call it the pda effect | 00:52 |
| javispedro | :P | 00:52 |
| lcuk | pupnik, yuv is an ideal solution to video. chroma is less important to the eyes | 00:52 |
| javispedro | don't know why, but 15fps videos in palm t|x seemed normal to me. | 00:52 |
| lcuk | and so you lower the res and bobs your uncle | 00:53 |
| javispedro | while horrid on desktop. | 00:53 |
| pupnik | mhm | 00:53 |
| pupnik | it might be a good idea for 640x480 dosbox lcuk | 00:54 |
| andre__ | javispedro, grmpf. installed openttd again here. icon is now not directly shown either | 00:54 |
| lcuk | theres lots of possiblities pupnik | 00:54 |
| andre__ | i prefer to blame nokia. | 00:54 |
| lcuk | if you are serious enough to get atarted ill try to help and show you what works well etc | 00:55 |
| javispedro | andre__, :O i had just purged everything, restarted hildon, then installed it the usual way to test and it apperead | 00:55 |
| javispedro | (fremantle_x86) | 00:55 |
| lcuk | andre__, thats curious | 00:55 |
| javispedro | blue box then? | 00:55 |
| andre__ | yes | 00:55 |
| lcuk | perhaps the thing which is meant to scan for icons is guffed up | 00:55 |
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| lcuk | ie got stuck in some state | 00:56 |
| andre__ | let me reboot | 00:56 |
| lcuk | where it no longer checks for refreshes | 00:56 |
| javispedro | maybe they renamed the theme folder to /usr/share/icons/symbian instead of /usr/share/icons/hicolor and forgot to tell ;P | 00:56 |
| lcuk | if you are sure it worked in the past | 00:56 |
| lcuk | and you havent had system updates | 00:56 |
| lcuk | haha | 00:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Maybe they corrected their spelling mistake and renamed it to colour ;) | 00:56 |
| lcuk | :D | 00:56 |
| lardman | +1 | 00:56 |
| javispedro | that would be a years old spelling mistake | 00:57 |
| lcuk | whats finnish for colour? | 00:57 |
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| * lcuk is betting something like tana_fi_color | 00:57 | |
| lcuk | based on the internals of maemo :D ;) | 00:58 |
| lardman | väri | 00:58 |
| andre__ | javispedro, openttd icon shown after reboot | 00:58 |
| lcuk | uninstall/reinstall? | 00:58 |
| javispedro | pupnik, i am comparing at this very moment snes9x pc with 10/60 and drnoksnes with 10/60 and truly drnoksnes looks more fluid | 00:58 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, | 00:59 |
| pupnik | gimme src lemme play! | 01:00 |
| lcuk | what would happen if you took off 10% of the lines | 01:00 |
| javispedro | but both look sluggish and unplayable at 10fps | 01:00 |
| pupnik | someday :) | 01:00 |
| pupnik | i give you gp2x nes :) | 01:00 |
| javispedro | it's just that even though the n8x0 is frameskipping like craze it still gives that movement sense. | 01:00 |
| lcuk | would the lowering of rendering 10% of pixels work | 01:01 |
| lcuk | and still be usable | 01:01 |
| javispedro | lcuk, actually, windowed 2x means cutting around the lower 10% | 01:01 |
| javispedro | why you ask? | 01:01 |
| lcuk | cos thats how i use vnc from work | 01:01 |
| lcuk | i have to scale it down | 01:01 |
| lcuk | and there was a noticable bandwidth drop | 01:02 |
| lcuk | :) | 01:02 |
| * lcuk is just trying to see other ways to help | 01:02 | |
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| Jaffa | Anyone ever tried importing photos into Contacts directly from your Facebook's friends' profile pictures? | 01:03 |
| pupnik | gonna close ssh to test more performance - address me if you want me to see what u say | 01:03 |
| javispedro | i am seeing that forcing frameskip 5 (10fps) makes most games sleep (mario kart uses around 40% of cpu time) , that'd help with battery. | 01:03 |
| lcuk | how are the bitmap writes performed | 01:04 |
| lcuk | do they work on a pixel by pixel basis | 01:04 |
| lcuk | when converting from internal game framebuffer to omapfb | 01:04 |
| javispedro | xshm | 01:04 |
| javispedro | i don't know how that works internally. | 01:04 |
| lcuk | yeah,m but what takes the 256color game framebuffer and puts that onto the omapfb | 01:04 |
| lcuk | is that single pixel at a time | 01:05 |
| javispedro | nag, the game framebuffer is 16bit | 01:05 |
| lcuk | comaptible surfaces? | 01:05 |
| javispedro | the snes does some heavy blending, transparencies, can't be done in 8 bit | 01:05 |
| lcuk | or conversion required | 01:05 |
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| lcuk | neat | 01:05 |
| javispedro | conversion, the original tiles are paletted, the palette is precalculated in nokia rgb565 | 01:05 |
| javispedro | the blendings/transparencies are then done in rgb565 | 01:05 |
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| javispedro | (i didn't write that :P ) | 01:06 |
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| javispedro | lol, i need to put the = Depends in the fremantle openttd. | 01:07 |
| javispedro | it crashes the hard way when an incompatible data package is installed :P | 01:08 |
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| dark | Exist a firewall for maemo | 01:30 |
| dark | Im searchimg a firewall for n810 | 01:32 |
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| dark | Anyone knows | 01:33 |
| nomis | why are you looking for a firewall? | 01:33 |
| dark | Because recently i has been poisoned | 01:34 |
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| nomis | "poisoned"? | 01:35 |
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| dark | Yes arp poisoning | 01:36 |
| dark | All my comunication was sniffed | 01:36 |
| Woolly | your connection was not encrypted? | 01:37 |
| lcuk | a firewall stops that does it? | 01:37 |
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| nomis | it does? | 01:37 |
| dark | Not woolly | 01:37 |
| lcuk | nomis how can a firewall stop you being sniffed | 01:38 |
| lcuk | sniffing is usually mitm | 01:38 |
| lcuk | ie beyond your firewall | 01:38 |
| Woolly | ie encrypt your connection | 01:38 |
| nomis | thats why I am asking :) | 01:38 |
| lcuk | me too | 01:38 |
| dark | Not stop but in these moment you can see what happens | 01:38 |
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| Woolly | what happens to whom, where? | 01:39 |
| dark | Yes mitm | 01:39 |
| lcuk | so dark, how would a firewall prevent your data from being sniffed | 01:39 |
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| dark | For example you can see in the logs what its going on | 01:40 |
| dark | Or receive alerts | 01:40 |
| lcuk | alerts mmm | 01:41 |
| lcuk | i am not aware of any open ports on the n810 | 01:41 |
| lcuk | is there software listening for connections by default? | 01:41 |
| * brbrbr greet all | 01:41 | |
| Woolly | dark: can you encrypt your connection? | 01:41 |
| Woolly | brbrbr: hey | 01:41 |
| dark | Not | 01:41 |
| lcuk | dark, a firewall only protects you if you have open ports listening for connections | 01:41 |
| lcuk | if there is nothing acting as a server on your machine | 01:42 |
| brbrbr | Woolly ? | 01:42 |
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| dark | No | 01:42 |
| lcuk | then a firewall would be as much good as a chocolate fireguard | 01:42 |
| Woolly | brbrbr: you said greet all, so i said hello | 01:42 |
| brbrbr | hi :-) | 01:42 |
| Woolly | hah | 01:42 |
| dark | So the only way to alert if exist a change on my route connection its make a script | 01:43 |
| dark | And run as daemon | 01:43 |
| lcuk | just grab a firewall for linux | 01:44 |
| lcuk | and build it | 01:44 |
| lcuk | im sure it would work | 01:44 |
| lcuk | if you are determined then they probably exist | 01:44 |
| lcuk | and you wont be the first, but most dont care | 01:44 |
| lcuk | isnt there some low level super duper firewall that you need vi or emacs to configure | 01:45 |
| lcuk | ie, no ui | 01:45 |
| brbrbr | yeah, netfilter can it | 01:45 |
| Woolly | why would you choose a notification mechanism over a preventative mechanism? | 01:45 |
| lcuk | cos some people are brought up with norton | 01:45 |
| * Woolly spits | 01:46 | |
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| lcuk | which ironically uses every trick in the virus writers toolkit to embed itself into the system | 01:46 |
| lcuk | and you pay for the privilege | 01:46 |
| Woolly | common sense is the best way to avoid getting a virus | 01:47 |
| lcuk | nahhh common sense doesnt work always | 01:47 |
| lcuk | we humans are fragile | 01:47 |
| Woolly | not when you're dealing with retards | 01:47 |
| lcuk | and theres a loose chain somewhere along the line | 01:47 |
| lcuk | even unix/linux folks can fall for viruses and trojans | 01:47 |
| lcuk | or get rooted etc | 01:48 |
| * lcuk has avg on windows, but no firewall | 01:48 | |
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| * Woolly doesn't use windows any more | 01:48 | |
| Woolly | :D | 01:48 |
| lcuk | i like the xp window manager :) runs all my OSS software better than anything else ive tried | 01:48 |
| brbrbr | thats how ALL system SW works, not only firewalls, because API suxx and used mainly to horsepower "smoke and mirror" game | 01:49 |
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| dark | I prefer linux | 01:49 |
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| lcuk | i prefer linux underneath | 01:49 |
| javispedro | man, why all online gtk tutorails I find are for php-gtk | 01:49 |
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| dark | But in my home pc i had zone alarm with nod32 | 01:49 |
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| Gadgetoid | I fell for a virus before, our love was short and sweet, but we had such good times | 01:49 |
| lcuk | and realistically, if there was a Microsoft sponsored Window Manager that acted like Xp i would buy it in a heartbeat | 01:49 |
| lcuk | (for linux) | 01:50 |
| Gadgetoid | I can't abide XP, it's so freaking inconsistent | 01:50 |
| Gadgetoid | That said... | 01:50 |
| lcuk | WFM YMMV etc :) | 01:50 |
| Woolly | i prefer OS X for a good user experience, COWE! | 01:50 |
| radic | is there a way to disable the automatic reboot on heavy load without recompiling the kernel? | 01:50 |
| Gadgetoid | I prefer OSX, but there's things about it that irk me | 01:51 |
| javispedro | radic, you probably mean the hardware watchdog? | 01:51 |
| javispedro | ~R&D | 01:51 |
| lcuk | radic, r&d mode i believe | 01:51 |
| Woolly | Gadgetoid: like what? | 01:51 |
| lcuk | but its not user friendly lol | 01:51 |
| javispedro | ~r&d | 01:51 |
| javispedro | ~R&D!!!! | 01:51 |
| Gadgetoid | No path in the file open dialogue for one Woolly, but I've been too lazy to find a hack/fix | 01:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ~rd-mode | 01:51 |
| radic | javispedro: yes | 01:51 |
| brbrbr | check "Windows Fundamentals for legacy PC's" :) | 01:51 |
| lardman | r&d and disable watchdog flag | 01:51 |
| javispedro | ~burn himself | 01:51 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 01:51 | |
| lcuk | hey simon | 01:51 |
| lardman | hi Gary | 01:52 |
| * lcuk just nearly flooded house | 01:52 | |
| radic | lardman: how can I disable it? | 01:52 |
| lcuk | i blame jaffa | 01:52 |
| Woolly | Gadgetoid: tried cmd+shift+G? | 01:52 |
| lardman | http://wiki.maemo.org/R&D_mode | 01:52 |
| radic | thx | 01:52 |
| Gadgetoid | Woolly: It's just not the same :( | 01:52 |
| lardman | and add no-lifeguard-reset | 01:52 |
| Woolly | Gadgetoid: haha | 01:52 |
| lcuk | who knows how to teach infobot | 01:52 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | infobot: rd-mode is http://wiki.maemo.org/R&D_mode | 01:53 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N810: okay | 01:53 |
| radic | after few houres the device reboots caus heavy load and I dosn't know what makes the load... | 01:53 |
| dark | What's rd-mode | 01:53 |
| javispedro | why not weird chars too? | 01:53 |
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| javispedro | infobot, R&D is http://wiki.maemo.org/R&D_mode | 01:53 |
| infobot | javispedro: okay | 01:53 |
| lcuk | something you dont need | 01:53 |
| dark | I never hear that | 01:53 |
| Gadgetoid | Woolly: I typically save files by bunging the whole path into the dialogue box, as much as I hate Vista this is one thing it handles beautifully | 01:53 |
| lardman | radic: try this: http://maemo.org/community/wiki-closed/reportingrebootissues/ | 01:53 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: I'm used to "rd-mode" as the flasher line is something like "--set-rd-mode" | 01:54 |
| Woolly | Gadgetoid: I'm not sure I follow, what application? | 01:54 |
| lcuk | is it rd mode that gives you automatic sudo gainroot type power | 01:54 |
| lcuk | without the "you wannt kill device.." message | 01:54 |
| Gadgetoid | Woolly: Any and all applications, I quite often navigate the folder structure by typing directory names instead of clicking on them | 01:54 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: ja | 01:54 |
| Woolly | Gadgetoid: okay, but then why do you need the path? | 01:55 |
| Gadgetoid | Woolly: It's more about having an always-visible box into which I can fire folder names | 01:55 |
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| radic | I tryed to find something at the forest in the night but there's no way to sucess without a working device with GPS :( | 01:56 |
| Woolly | Gadgetoid: ahh right, I see now. The Go To doesn't work because it doesn't auto-insert the current path? | 01:56 |
| Woolly | Gadgetoid: and it's not persistent | 01:56 |
| lardman | not sure you'll have much luck in a forest anyway tbh | 01:56 |
| lcuk | radic, i told you, the body was buried 30 paces north | 01:56 |
| Gadgetoid | Woolly: Indeed, although you can type a folder name into Go To, but if you're shooting through one folder at a time that's a lot of CMD+SHIFT+G presses | 01:57 |
| Woolly | Gadgetoid: indeed! | 01:57 |
| Gadgetoid | Woolly: Maybe I just don't work right :) | 01:57 |
| radic | lcuk: you told me anything? | 01:57 |
| lcuk | nm radic :) joke | 01:57 |
| radic | why is the mouse-point disabled by default? | 01:59 |
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| lardman | bed time for me, night all | 02:00 |
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| radic | the bootreason was sw_rst | 02:01 |
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| jophish | does maemo use /etc/fstab for mounting things, or some funny configuration | 02:02 |
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| jophish | for examples, could I change the location of /usr/ and just put the change in fstab | 02:02 |
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| radic | how are the rd flags seperated? | 02:05 |
| radic | by ","? | 02:05 |
| Woolly | monday, tuesday, happy days | 02:06 |
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| Firebird | hm, does the fremantle SDK have a task switcher? | 03:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not yet | 03:49 |
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| Firebird | should I be worrying if my programs disappear visually then? | 03:51 |
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| mkpaa | my canola and mplayer stopped playing sound in videos.. google didn't tell me any likely answers | 04:06 |
| brbrbr | what meant by "stopped" ? | 04:08 |
| brbrbr | same videos, correctly played before ? sound volume checked ? equalizers and etc ? | 04:08 |
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| mkpaa | everything worked fine when I last tried them (that was before last update) and now videos don't have sound on either canola or mplayer | 04:13 |
| mkpaa | canola plays audio files just fine | 04:14 |
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| THe_nation | hey ladies | 04:23 |
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| pupnik | does maemo xterm support an audio bell sound (ctrl-g) | 04:55 |
| pupnik | i would like the sshßscreenßirssi session to beep on msg | 04:55 |
| Luke-Jr | ß? | 04:56 |
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| Macer | damn | 05:06 |
| Macer | son just went to sleep | 05:06 |
| Macer | now i can see about getting this damn browser installed | 05:06 |
| Macer | Luke-Jr: why don't your bins pick up? :) like some of them did but some didn't and i have no idea why | 05:07 |
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| Macer | so it's trying to build stuff again | 05:07 |
| Macer | blah | 05:07 |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: USE flags. -K should force | 05:13 |
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| Macer | Luke-Jr: can i see your make.conf? | 05:16 |
| Macer | so i can match up the use flags? | 05:16 |
| Macer | emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "x11-libs/qt-webkit". | 05:16 |
| Macer | that is what happens when i -K | 05:16 |
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| pupnik | does epson controller on n8x0 actually throw away screen updates? | 05:18 |
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| Macer | which is odd because some of the bins work but some don't | 05:19 |
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| Macer | [binary N ] dev-util/cmake-2.6.4 USE="qt4 -emacs -vim-syntax" | 05:20 |
| Macer | [ebuild N ] x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.5.1 USE="kde -debug -pch" 0 kB | 05:20 |
| Macer | i don't get it | 05:21 |
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| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfdHY26E2jc high speed robotic hands | 05:23 |
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| Macer | [ebuild N ] x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.5.1 USE="debug kde pch" 0 kB | 05:26 |
| Macer | argh | 05:26 |
| Macer | wtf | 05:26 |
| Macer | Tells emerge to only use binary packages (from $PKGDIR). All | 05:28 |
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| Macer | Luke-Jr: have you tested this method? maybe there is a problem with something on your site | 05:33 |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: nope | 05:33 |
| Luke-Jr | you can always download it manually etc | 05:33 |
| Macer | hm. because i just can't seem to get it to grab the bins | 05:33 |
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| Macer | Portage[blocks B ] media-sound/phonon ("media-sound/phonon" is blocking x11-libs/qt-phonon-4.5.1) | 05:56 |
| Macer | [blocks B ] x11-libs/qt-phonon:4 ("x11-libs/qt-phonon:4" is blocking media-sound/phonon-4.4_pre20090520) | 05:56 |
| Macer | wtf | 05:57 |
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| Macer | omfg i give up | 06:08 |
| Macer | this shit is too much of a pain in the ass to do | 06:08 |
| johnx | allo | 06:08 |
| Macer | unmask this | 06:08 |
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| Macer | add this keyword | 06:08 |
| Macer | to 1293871293827 pkgs | 06:08 |
| johnx | having fun with gentoo? | 06:09 |
| Macer | fuck it's a pain :) it runs but UGH | 06:09 |
| johnx | mumble mumble told ya so mumble | 06:10 |
| Macer | [blocks B ] <x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.5.2 ("<x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.5.2" is blocking x11-libs/qt-gui-4.5.2-r2, x11-libs/qt-core-4.5.2, x11-libs/qt-script-4.5.2) | 06:10 |
| Macer | [blocks B ] >x11-libs/qt-script-4.5.1-r9999 (">x11-libs/qt-script-4.5.1-r9999" is blocking x11-libs/qt-opengl-4.5.1, x11-libs/qt-test-4.5.1, x11-libs/qt-sql-4.5.1, x11-libs/qt-dbus-4.5.1, x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.5.1) | 06:10 |
| Macer | now i'm running into stupid shit like pkg conflicts | 06:10 |
| Macer | yah. fuck gentoo. it really isn't worth the trouble | 06:11 |
| Macer | by the time i iron out all the bullshit then i might as well use mer 2.0 :) | 06:11 |
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| johnx | that was my experience with gentoo circa 2003 or so | 06:12 |
| Macer | well. you run into something that doesn't build | 06:12 |
| Macer | then you try to unmask shit to get it to build | 06:12 |
| Macer | then it fails while building | 06:12 |
| Macer | so you try something else that requires massive unmasking | 06:12 |
| johnx | yeah, I know. I tried to tell you I think | 06:12 |
| Macer | which fails :) | 06:12 |
| Macer | i remember this being the reason i ditched it on x86 | 06:13 |
| Macer | and started using fbsd | 06:13 |
| johnx | and all of that is separated by minutes of hours waiting for the failure to occur | 06:13 |
| Macer | ah well.. let me boot mer and try to install fluxbox heh | 06:13 |
| Macer | but this gentoo bullshit isn't wroth it. i'm going to wipe it now | 06:14 |
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| brbrbr|rest | btw, what is Sabayon ? same as gentoo ?:) | 06:17 |
| Macer | dunno | 06:21 |
| Macer | never ran it | 06:21 |
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| Macer | make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 | 06:27 |
| Macer | yeah | 06:27 |
| Macer | fail | 06:27 |
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| erik____1 | How can i know from which repository does a package come from in maemo ? | 06:28 |
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| MaceN8x0 | i want to be different! | 07:03 |
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| Stskeeps | heh | 07:11 |
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| man_in_shack | anyone know if there's a shortcut way to clear the screen in maemopad? | 08:29 |
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| Corsac | http://www.begeek.fr/la-premiere-photo-officielle-du-nokia-n900-3445 | 08:57 |
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| jaem | evening... | 08:58 |
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| thux | ot does anybody have this booklet? curious about 12h battery life, how atom can do that? | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | thux: nokia is -really- good at power management | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | recall that | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | they can probably beat the chipsets in the device into shape | 09:24 |
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| benson | Hi. I'm new here.when I differ the result of "$sb2 sb2-show path /etc" and "$sb2 -e sb2-show path /etc", I get two path mapping. That' means the different between build mode and emulator mode.But I wonder about "$sb2 ./configure". Where are the libs and build dependeces mapped?To the build environment path?As the result of "$sb2 sb2-show path /etc", I guess they are mapped to the build... | 09:54 |
| benson | ...environment.So If I cross compiled a package, where to intall the libs?build environment or rootstrap? | 09:54 |
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| benson | Thanks~ | 10:05 |
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| X-Fade | Morning | 10:30 |
| VDVsx | morning X-Fade :) | 10:30 |
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| benson | good morning | 10:33 |
| brbrbr | morning :) | 10:33 |
| brbrbr | but 11:30 AM here | 10:33 |
| benson | 15:34 here | 10:34 |
| brbrbr | o | 10:34 |
| benson | I'm new here.when I differ the result of "$sb2 sb2-show path /etc" and "$sb2 -e sb2-show path /etc", I get two path mapping. That' means the different between build mode and emulator mode. | 10:34 |
| benson | But I wonder about "$sb2 ./configure". Where are the libs and build dependeces mapped?To the build environment path?As the result of "$sb2 sb2-show path /etc", I guess they are mapped to the buildenvironment.So If I cross compiled a package, where to intall the libs?build environment or rootstrap? | 10:34 |
| benson | Thanks | 10:35 |
| benson | Are you using sb2? | 10:35 |
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| man_in_irssi | my maemo won't boot :( | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | got bootmenu with usb networking enabled? | 10:57 |
| man_in_irssi | not sure about usb networking | 10:57 |
| man_in_irssi | don't evem know where my cable is | 10:58 |
| man_in_irssi | but bootmenu, yes | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | if you tried to install mer and followed the guide, it should work | 10:58 |
| tigert | g'day | 10:59 |
| man_in_irssi | ok | 10:59 |
| man_in_irssi | well, i'm on mer now | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | morning tigert | 10:59 |
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| man_in_irssi | so ... | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | does it say anything about USB networking when you are in bootmenu? | 11:02 |
| man_in_irssi | i guess that means i should switch to laptop :P | 11:02 |
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| man_in_ltop | ow, hot keyboard | 11:04 |
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| man_in_ltop | ok, the charging screen comes up fine for a start | 11:06 |
| man_in_ltop | oh, no it doesn't :| | 11:07 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | morning jaffa | 11:07 |
| man_in_ltop | i don't see a usb option in bootmenu | 11:07 |
| man_in_ltop | ok | 11:08 |
| man_in_ltop | the problem is something to do with the charging screen | 11:08 |
| man_in_ltop | so now i'm back in maemo | 11:12 |
| man_in_ltop | i should probably reflash it | 11:14 |
| man_in_ltop | get rid of all my problems | 11:14 |
| man_in_ltop | but i'll want to keep all my apps and some of my settings/data :P | 11:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | If you're able to boot to Mer, why not just mount /dev/mtdblock4 there, instead of trying to do so over USB? At the least, you'd be able to get any images or the like back | 11:16 |
| man_in_ltop | sure | 11:16 |
| man_in_ltop | but it's booted maemo now | 11:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ah | 11:16 |
| man_in_ltop | i just need to work out what i want to keep, how to transfer it etc | 11:16 |
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| man_in_ltop | maemopad+ needs a one-key clear command | 11:18 |
| pupnik | can N8x0 xv / yuv scaling do non integer scaling ratios and independent x/y scaling factors? say i want to make a 320x400 window appear onscreen at 4:3 ratio | 11:18 |
| pupnik | like *anyone* knows that... ;) | 11:19 |
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| X-Fade | pupnik: lcuk might. | 11:20 |
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| pupnik | dosbox has some funky modes, and it would be nice to not have to software-acale that to 640x480 | 11:21 |
| pupnik | course, opengl would make that so easy... | 11:22 |
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| lcuk2 | pupnik, make screen bigger to compensate | 11:28 |
| lcuk2 | and just leave it drawn black | 11:29 |
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| lcuk2 | xv does the scaling for you, but as you noticed it always fills the screen (using the mode changes liqbase does) | 11:36 |
| lcuk2 | so you just have to take care of aspect by drawing on the bits you need | 11:36 |
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| pupnik | boo hiss | 11:39 |
| pupnik | thanks lcuk2 | 11:40 |
| lcuk2 | feck off - you have gone from no mode changes to hardware scaling | 11:40 |
| lcuk2 | :P | 11:40 |
| lcuk2 | its only adjusting your Y start line | 11:40 |
| * pupnik awards lcuk2 a sourcream-sauerkraut sandwich smoothie | 11:41 | |
| lcuk2 | i'd rather havea bacon butty, but thanks :D | 11:41 |
| pupnik | few games ever used those odd modes | 11:41 |
| lcuk2 | yeah its just to see anyway | 11:41 |
| Myrtti | mmmm bacon :-/ | 11:41 |
| lcuk2 | :D | 11:42 |
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| lcuk2 | hiya Myrtti | 11:42 |
| pupnik | dosbox still software scales 320x200 tp 640x400 | 11:42 |
| * Myrtti looks at her ryebread with lowfat fresh cheese and a lettuce leaf | 11:42 | |
| Myrtti | yeah, I'd love a bacon butty | 11:42 |
| pupnik | the backside of a pig? | 11:44 |
| Myrtti | sammich | 11:44 |
| Myrtti | *sigh* | 11:45 |
| pupnik | ah | 11:47 |
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| kirma | this is off-topic question, but still: what is application security (or "capability") model used on Maemo? Is there sandboxing of applications? as far as I can Google about it, it seems that Nokia trusts quite a bit on users not finding, or installing applications from random or untrustable sources... | 12:08 |
| kirma | err, not off-topic on this channel. | 12:08 |
| kirma | on security-inconscious end user market, that might be a recipe for trouble | 12:09 |
| kirma | even some sort of authority/community certificate model for trust categories would be ok. | 12:09 |
| kirma | I'm obviously thinking of Fremantle, that's going to appear on truly mass market oriented devices, that is, phones. | 12:09 |
| adeus | I'm guessing they will only allow installations from trusted apt sources | 12:11 |
| pupnik | installing non-nokia software brings up a prominent warning | 12:11 |
| Myrtti | kirma: "authority/community certificate model" already it's uncouraged to use other repositories than the nokia ones | 12:11 |
| kirma | ok | 12:11 |
| pupnik | oh fremantle | 12:11 |
| pupnik | dunno that | 12:12 |
| VDVsx | probably, however you can install things with red pill mode also, I guess | 12:12 |
| qwerty12_N810 | pupnik: warning is still there, in a slightly more annoying form | 12:12 |
| kirma | just looking at these to-be-announced-next-week things and thinking that even with its weaknesses, S60v3 capability model as policy enforcement has its positive sides, and wouldn't be that impossible to implement for the paranoid | 12:12 |
| qwerty12_N810 | But I don't mind accepting it each, and every time if it means I can install whatever. | 12:13 |
| pupnik | same | 12:13 |
| kirma | I'd also want installations of marginal hobbyist software not to be unbearably hard, I mean, not practical for truly nontechnical end users | 12:13 |
| pupnik | they need the legal fig leaf | 12:13 |
| kirma | just something that warns them of the issues blind trust on unverified sources can cause | 12:14 |
| kirma | wouldn't really care so much about it all unless N900 would seem like a reasonably viable replacement for E90, even if the keyboard is cramped | 12:15 |
| kirma | getting a bit of gadget fever once again. | 12:15 |
| X-Fade | kirma: Join the club ;) | 12:15 |
| adeus | that god maemo doesn't have the capability model, just struggling with it :) | 12:16 |
| kirma | I were surprised that dimensions mentioned around put it actually below the communicator in cubic volume, and only slight bit wider | 12:16 |
| adeus | *thank | 12:17 |
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| kirma | adeus: by capability model I mean one where user could tick on and off reasonably understandable subsystems for each application, or select if specific operations can be performed freely, queried once, every time or rejected | 12:18 |
| pupnik | somebody make a drop-in omap3430 board for n810 :) | 12:18 |
| kirma | not a great fan of stuff like location data being not available to applications without certification on early S60v3 devices even if the user would want that, though. | 12:19 |
| pupnik | does n900 support priveleged stuff for locking software? | 12:20 |
| X-Fade | kirma: Well if in S60 an app requests all capabilities, every user just clicks OK anyway ;) | 12:20 |
| kirma | of course, that may be the situation. | 12:21 |
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| kirma | "the application is trying to do X. [Allow this time] [Allow always in future] [Disallow this time] [Disallow always in future]" or something as default setting | 12:22 |
| Proteous_ | [Disallow for the next two times but then only every other time after that] | 12:23 |
| kirma | of course, that would result vista-style moronity where users would click "allow always" on anything that pops up. but at least the mechanism would be there. | 12:23 |
| Jaffa | AFAICT from the HAM sources, adding any arbitrary additional repository is still allowed. But obviously, as a community, we're putting in place some QA checks for Extras | 12:23 |
| Jaffa | (crowdsourcing via the extras-testing repository) | 12:23 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Out of curiosity, if a person had never opened the Application Manager, enabled rd-mode to get root, and installed a package, using apt-get, which killed their device, would the Nokia warning still hold true? | 12:27 |
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| VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, hw kill ? :P | 12:32 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I guess... it's probably not hard to cook up a few ways to do so... | 12:33 |
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| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: I don't think the warning is legally useful anyway. Why would someone have legal recourse to Nokia when they did something themselves to their own device? | 12:33 |
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| VDVsx | very unlikely, I'm only seeing some possibilities for the hard drivers/memory cards | 12:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: Indeed, I can't imagine someone taking action against Nokia but, all the same, that warning is there for Nokia to cover themselves in case of the possibility | 12:35 |
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| kirma | there's maybe a chance to drive overvoltage to the memory card slot, or cause permanent LCD polarisation issues on the screen, if one really gets in to the kernel level | 12:39 |
| kirma | but otherwise, it's hard to even imagine ways to cook up modern hardware | 12:39 |
| kirma | I don't even know if either of those are practically possible nowadays though | 12:40 |
| kirma | I'm not so much concerned about hardware damage though, but privacy breaches, loss of data, extra network expenses and loss of base software functionality | 12:41 |
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| Stskeeps | kirma: on the other hand, isn't it the same with a netbook these days? | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | or any 3g networked PC | 12:42 |
| brbrbr | "3g networked" ? its meant 10 Gbps NIC ? | 12:43 |
| brbrbr | /kidding | 12:43 |
| kirma | yes. but security expectations built by S60v3 capability model might be more intuitively expected from a phone form factor device you can use as phone... | 12:43 |
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| Stskeeps | kirma: computer with phone capability? ;p | 12:44 |
| VDVsx | danielwilms, ping | 12:44 |
| kirma | I haven't heard of a single virus, or even mentionable trojan on S60v3 platform, all of it has been antivirus company hype. then again, the model itself has stagnated application development. | 12:44 |
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| Stskeeps | kirma: it's a difficult challenge for sure | 12:46 |
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| kirma | I'm just afraid that nokia puts itself in a vulnerable position, not legally, but regarding user perception... vulnerable, if someone really wants to exploit the weaknesses in the more relaxed capability model. but then again, that may well be countered by eased development and deployment of truly useful applications. | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | kirma: on the other hand it requires a rouge app to begin with | 12:48 |
| brbrbr | so, "in short", Nokia was predictibly beat Apple in both senses and truly deserve that. right ? | 12:49 |
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| eichi_ | which app do you use for shopping-lists? | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | kirma: so what would you suggest would be useful? postinst run as non-root? :P | 12:53 |
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| X-Fade | VDVsx: Were there any errors visible when you promoted bluemaemo 0.3-7 ? | 13:01 |
| VDVsx | X-Fade, nop | 13:02 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx: Hmm ok, need to debug it more then. | 13:02 |
| VDVsx | what kind of errors ? | 13:02 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx: php errors visible or something like that. | 13:02 |
| VDVsx | nop | 13:02 |
| VDVsx | X-Fade, I only had a issue with one of the packages that I sent, the builder complains about the lack of the tar.gz, after a couple of hours:) | 13:04 |
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| X-Fade | VDVsx: Used dput? | 13:06 |
| VDVsx | X-Fade, nop, webpage | 13:07 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx: Same package, multiple times? | 13:07 |
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| VDVsx | X-Fade, I sent it only once, a lower version was sent earlier. After the rejection, I sent it again and it built fine and fast, probably something was lost during the upload | 13:10 |
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| danielwilms | VDVsx had lunch | 13:15 |
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| VDVsx | danielwilms, about your submission for the Maemo summit, you have 'everyone' on the intended audience | 13:17 |
| VDVsx | it will be also suitable for users, or you will only target dev's | 13:17 |
| X-Fade | Hmm I still need to add a proposal for a talk too. Crazy times... | 13:18 |
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| crashanddie | when's the summit? | 13:19 |
| crashanddie | still in dam? | 13:19 |
| VDVsx | X-Fade, how to *not* kill the builder | 13:19 |
| VDVsx | crashanddie, yes, 9-11 Oct | 13:19 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx: How to publish your software or something like that. | 13:20 |
| danielwilms | VDVsx it should be like a maemo-introduction...starting with some intro and then presenting the developer tools...so mostly interesting for developers, but could be interesting for users too | 13:20 |
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| crashanddie | danielwilms: don't assume | 13:21 |
| crashanddie | danielwilms: it could also be interesting to koala bears, however, you don't put them in the intended audience. Be conservative, works a lot better than having a room full of people and half of them leaving because they're bored | 13:22 |
| danielwilms | crashanddie: but the topic is quite clear, easy to see that it's mostly for more unexperienced developers who want to get an overview of the tools | 13:28 |
| VDVsx | so it's a developers topic, not a topic for everyone, I guess :) | 13:29 |
| danielwilms | :) yep...let me correct that :) | 13:30 |
| crashanddie | danielwilms: take it from someone who does presentation for a living, you don't want to attract an audience that "may" be interested :) | 13:30 |
| pupnik | heh | 13:31 |
| danielwilms | crashanddie: :) hehe...you are right with that...I will change it ;) | 13:31 |
| VDVsx | crashanddie, totally agree with you :) | 13:32 |
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| danielwilms | VDVsx changed it...and it would take 10-12 min each tool + intro and end, if the time is there | 13:40 |
| VDVsx | danielwilms, ok, thanks :) | 13:40 |
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| pupnik | tablets are so awesome i half expect them to recharge in the sun from the tft display | 13:51 |
| jophish | they do get mighty hot | 13:51 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hello everybody ! | 14:06 |
| jophish | hi! | 14:06 |
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| lardman|home | morning | 14:07 |
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| Khertan_n810 | morning lardman | 14:07 |
| lardman|home | hi Khertan_n810 | 14:08 |
| Khertan_n810 | what do you think of this : http://lh5.ggpht.com/_s8TET2AXZOA/SpORMclIsuI/AAAAAAAAAnk/waWF-9vH96Y/S320/mOrganize+3+25-08 | 14:08 |
| lardman|home | very small and in French :) | 14:08 |
| Khertan_n810 | this is a screenshot of the current mOrganize developpment version :) | 14:08 |
| lardman|home | ah right | 14:08 |
| Khertan_n810 | of course as it s depends on the local string | 14:09 |
| lardman|home | I know, was only joking | 14:09 |
| lardman|home | though the text on the buttons is still in English | 14:09 |
| Khertan_n810 | héhé | 14:09 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep ... the button will not stay like there are now | 14:09 |
| lardman|home | I've not really found an organiser I like on Maemo, but haven't looked for a year or so, so I'll have to take a look at this | 14:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | it ll be icon | 14:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | this is not yet finished | 14:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | and so not yet avaiklabgle | 14:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | but now it s really work well | 14:10 |
| lardman|home | ok, no rush, I've lived without this long :) | 14:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | just need to finish ui | 14:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | and the sync framework | 14:11 |
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| lardman|home | cool | 14:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | the db framework is ready ... | 14:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | and doesn t use anymore a proprietary db :) | 14:12 |
| Khertan_n810 | now it s pure icalendar file :) | 14:12 |
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| Khertan_n810 | yep i ve got the same mind than a blogger on maemo planet | 14:13 |
| Khertan_n810 | about proprietary db | 14:14 |
| lardman|home | what was the db then? | 14:14 |
| Khertan_n810 | http://lh5.ggpht.com/_s8TET2AXZOA/SpORI08qLpI/AAAAAAAAAng/Tcpf0rZV6Xw/S320/mOrganize+2+25-08 | 14:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | there is no db, only parsing an .ics file | 14:15 |
| lardman|home | no I meant before | 14:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | an sqlite home made :) | 14:16 |
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| Khertan_n810 | http://lh6.ggpht.com/_s8TET2AXZOA/SpOLZgqAO6I/AAAAAAAAAnE/BmWGWl0KzyE/S320/mOrganize+1+25-08 | 14:18 |
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| Khertan_n810 | http://lh6.ggpht.com/_s8TET2AXZOA/SpPJLZhBpJI/AAAAAAAAAoE/VkAn18XLh-E/S320/mOrganize+6+25-08 | 14:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | note can be text or draw :) | 14:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | i was just a bitg disapointed when i see the leaked screenshot of the rx-51 with the calendar ... | 14:24 |
| Khertan_n810 | as i think is there any interest to finish mOrganize | 14:24 |
| Khertan_n810 | as there will are a calendar in Maemo 5 | 14:24 |
| lardman|home | well being able to embed drawings is pretty cool | 14:25 |
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| Khertan_n810 | when the first release will be ready, i ll implement also the camera picture feature too | 14:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | like in mnotes | 14:26 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 14:27 |
| RST38h | any news? =) | 14:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | as i mainly use the camera to take picture of hand notes i write on paper | 14:27 |
| lardman|home | then OCR into ascii? | 14:28 |
| lardman|home | :) | 14:28 |
| lardman|home | hi RST38h | 14:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | about what the n900 | 14:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | ? | 14:28 |
| RST38h | heya lardman | 14:28 |
| RST38h | of course | 14:29 |
| lardman|home | no, your taking pictures of notes; not OCR of course | 14:29 |
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| Khertan_n810 | yep after i use BrainOcR to convert to ascii | 14:29 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 14:29 |
| RST38h | Khertan: if lcuk hears you, he will chastise you immediately, as you should be using liqbase :) | 14:29 |
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| Khertan_n810 | yep maybe | 14:30 |
| Khertan_n810 | but as i said to lcuk ... there is no python binding yet :) | 14:30 |
| pupnik | brainocr os foss? | 14:30 |
| pupnik | is | 14:30 |
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| Khertan_at_offic | yep it s opensourced ... but BrainOcR source code isn't easy to understand | 14:31 |
| Khertan_at_offic | :) | 14:31 |
| Khertan_at_offic | it s implemented in every brain ... | 14:32 |
| pupnik | BRAINOCR.ARJ (Brainmaker) PCX reader. ? | 14:32 |
| Khertan_at_offic | work with many language ... depends on user :) | 14:32 |
| Khertan_at_offic | oh my god there is really a product nammed brainocr | 14:33 |
| Khertan_at_offic | lol | 14:33 |
| pupnik | can you take snapshot of your brainocr playground? | 14:33 |
| pupnik | oh | 14:33 |
| Khertan_at_offic | i was talking of this implementation : http://www.medem.com/medem/images/ama/ama_brain_stroke_lev20_thebraineffectsstroke_01.gif | 14:34 |
| pupnik | do not send webcam pic of forehead :) | 14:34 |
| pupnik | now i get it | 14:34 |
| Khertan_at_offic | lol | 14:34 |
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| Khertan_at_offic | still no news about Sponsorship for the summit ? | 14:40 |
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| * RST38h did not apply for sponsorship, at least yet | 14:46 | |
| RST38h | Will probably have to | 14:46 |
| Khertan_at_offic | i ve apply ... | 14:48 |
| RST38h | http://conversations.nokia.com/2008/06/20/product-leaks-just-lead-to-trouble-headaches-for-all/ | 14:50 |
| RST38h | (the guy is obviously a Nokian) | 14:50 |
| VDVsx | no way... :P | 14:50 |
| VDVsx | quoting the same website: "the Nokia N770 was launched at the Linux World Summit (2005), " | 14:51 |
| VDVsx | hehe | 14:51 |
| RST38h | BTW, what is this whole Conversations site? Some kind of corporate blog? | 14:54 |
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| mgedmin | I remember a blog post by one ex-Nokian that was basically Internet is bad because everything is free, mobile networking is good because everybody has to pay for everything, the future belongs to the mobile | 14:54 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, http://conversations.nokia.com/pause-for-station-identification/ ;) | 14:55 |
| crashanddie | VDVsx: shame a Nokian can't give the correct product name... It's Nokia 770, not N770 | 14:55 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx: I will be playing with bluemaemo promotion a bit, don't worry when things look a bit weird in packages ;) | 14:55 |
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| VDVsx | crashanddie, yeah, already leave a comment there | 14:56 |
| VDVsx | X-Fade, np :) | 14:57 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Well, from a certain perspective he was right | 14:57 |
| kirma | nokia, like any company in the business, has unintended leaks and intended leaks. most of the time, they're supposed to be hard to tell from each other, although company attitude towards them is competely different. | 14:57 |
| mgedmin | from a certain perspective anything can be made to look right | 14:58 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: except that mobile service companies seem to get ridiculous about their non-free nowadays | 14:58 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: i.e. they are basically destroying their own markets | 14:58 |
| kirma | and in the case of nokia in helsinki capital area, for instance, there are public secrets, that anyone on the field and community can eventually work out in their mind based on small tidbits, but nobody cares to elaborate in detail to rest of the world. | 14:58 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: recent example: cosmote.gr: half-broken website, no info whatsoever, 30 minutes on hold, then 20 minutes for them to figure out I do not have GPRS enabled on the account | 14:59 |
| kirma | explaining public secrets may be not the wisest thing for the career... | 14:59 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: after that, they ask me to wait for 3 days, and pay euro10/MB | 14:59 |
| kirma | future career, even. | 14:59 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: I mean, with "service" like that, do they really expect anyone to use it? | 15:00 |
| mgedmin | I'm sure they do | 15:00 |
| mgedmin | and I'm sure people use services like that | 15:00 |
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| mgedmin | because it's hard to find good alternatives | 15:00 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Why? | 15:00 |
| mgedmin | :( | 15:00 |
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| mgedmin | look at the US market: people pay twice as much as in europe, and get crappier service -- yet there isn't a general uprising against their mobile operators | 15:01 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Well, even vodafone.gr enables gprs immediately and does offer you some crude 30MB/mo for e3.50 option | 15:01 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Notice though that once Apple wrestled unlimited data option from AT&T, the market just exploded | 15:01 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: I.e. the demand is definitely there | 15:02 |
| kirma | the fun part is how FCC doesn't do much even when operators have almost total control of devices, force people to long-term, expensive contracts, and limit the applications that can be used in networks... | 15:02 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: What I do not understand is why they can't just implement a nobrainer option like MTS.RU has | 15:02 |
| kirma | ... and reason that this is necessary for the level of service. at the same time, most of europeans use whatever devices they want on whatever network they want, running almost any application they want on them, as long as they have money to pay for the reasonably short-change contracts. | 15:03 |
| pupnik | 2years is common | 15:03 |
| pupnik | but stores have umts/hsdpa orepaid data cards | 15:04 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: You pay $1/month + $0.12/MB of data which comes down to something like $10-$20/month for most people | 15:04 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: It is enabled by default, too | 15:04 |
| kirma | like my professor used to say in lectures, and especially on sauna evenings, probably over decade ago, though: "... there in the telecommunications banana republic, you know, the united states..." | 15:05 |
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| Khertan_at_offic | And i m ... <RST38h> mgedmin: I mean, with "service" like that, do they really expect anyone to use it? <<< they didn't expect that anyone use it, just people to pay it. | 15:08 |
| RST38h | So is it basically set up to trick unsuspecting first time users into being charged $$$? | 15:09 |
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| RST38h | Oh well, back to vacation | 15:14 |
| pupnik | :) | 15:14 |
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| GAN800 | Conversations nuked MicroB | 15:26 |
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| GAN800 | Talk about bloat. | 15:27 |
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| * GAN800 shudders at capability security. | 15:27 | |
| pupnik | pls speak noob thx | 15:27 |
| pupnik | conversations are what? | 15:28 |
| GAN800 | pupnik, that Nokia blog. | 15:28 |
| pupnik | from that 70s show | 15:29 |
| kirma | gan800: in what sense? :) | 15:29 |
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| GAN800 | kirma, in the sense that what makes Maemo Maemo is its desktop-PC level of openness. | 15:30 |
| kirma | I understand that | 15:30 |
| GAN800 | I've seen exactly how pleasant the Symbian model is and don't want it anywhere near Maemo. | 15:30 |
| kirma | I'm not for closed ecosystem... I'm all for ability to support fine-grained permissions. | 15:31 |
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| kirma | as a option that *could* be enabled by the paranoid, if nothing else. | 15:31 |
| pupnik | can a commercial app get some help with drm+enc? | 15:31 |
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| kirma | that is what antivirus does to great extent on modern windows desktops (or vista does for itself). | 15:32 |
| * GAN800 wonders if Chad will call back today. | 15:33 | |
| GAN800 | I've also seen how well that works. | 15:33 |
| pupnik | just saying i think some apps could become commercially feasible - apps that foss doesnt do well | 15:33 |
| kirma | well, yes. there's no antidote for user stupidity :) | 15:33 |
| GAN800 | A Little Snitch-style application might be interesting. | 15:33 |
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| GAN800 | pupnik, Jaffa was discussing a daemon of some kind. | 15:34 |
| pupnik | on the other hand, maybe we'd be best off with that stuff faaaar away :) | 15:35 |
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| pupnik | "mission creep" and all that | 15:35 |
| kirma | if I want to just install a software package from, say, url reached by web browser, is it possible for an average joe (even if that involves dialogs explaining that you should know what you're doing)? | 15:36 |
| pupnik | it is in current maemo | 15:36 |
| GAN800 | Yes and no. | 15:36 |
| GAN800 | Application Manager no longer installs .debs. | 15:36 |
| GAN800 | But it could add a repository and install from there. | 15:37 |
| kirma | or is there a possibility to give the user a public key that would be used to verify credentials in some package and thus allow all future installs from that source easier? it would be more secure in my opinion than relying on message that morons start to ignore anyway if it pops on the screen all the time :) | 15:37 |
| kirma | I really haven't touched the tablets in ages, and probably never installed software without command line on them :I | 15:38 |
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| kirma | but yeah yeah. the biggest "issue" in this is that I'm personally rather surprised by such trust-on-goodwill attitude adopted by nokia on future true mass market devices, instead of at least detecting what understandable capabilities each application tries to use. | 15:41 |
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| kirma | the problem isn't I wouldn't like the openness, but that I fear the potential consequences when someone really gets nasty... | 15:42 |
| adeus | it's just one device compared to the hundreds of s60s, maybe the see how it goes | 15:43 |
| adeus | they | 15:43 |
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| pupnik | definitely should get some emus on it pronto | 15:46 |
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| pupnik | so the rich kids can show their iphone friends wnat gaming WITH buttons is like | 15:47 |
| pupnik | :) | 15:47 |
| pupnik | really | 15:47 |
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| rmrfchik | hi | 16:03 |
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| rmrfchik | Just installed maemo-sdk on debian. There are no applications in application manager | 16:04 |
| rmrfchik | except Crash Reporter, maemo-c-debug-tools and maemopad | 16:04 |
| rmrfchik | and event those 3 can't be installed :( | 16:05 |
| rmrfchik | hildon-application-manager[11179]: GLIB DEBUG ConIc - con_ic_connection_send_event(0x14d860, (null), (null), 1) | 16:05 |
| rmrfchik | any ideas? | 16:06 |
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| lardman|home | installed or run? | 16:08 |
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| lardman|home | ah, my mistake | 16:11 |
| lardman|home | rmrfchik: apt-get install? | 16:12 |
| lardman|home | and make sure you have some repos available | 16:12 |
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| rmrfchik | lardman|home: heh, I suppose, all repos are ok in sources.list | 16:17 |
| rmrfchik | it's fresh installation | 16:17 |
| rmrfchik | I have microb-engine installed, but can't run microb from within maemo | 16:17 |
| lardman|home | rmrfchik: There were some things you weren't able to run, not sure if that's one of them | 16:21 |
| lardman|home | mainly as some components were missing for the x86 target iirc | 16:22 |
| lcuk2 | its not a complete user level emulator, but a way to test code apis and libraries and installation | 16:22 |
| lcuk2 | of code you have written | 16:23 |
| rmrfchik | ok | 16:24 |
| rmrfchik | I downloaded fbreader sources and compiled them | 16:25 |
| rmrfchik | when I trying to run, I got: | 16:25 |
| rmrfchik | I installed a skylight in my apartment...The people who live above me are | 16:25 |
| rmrfchik | oops | 16:25 |
| lardman|home | hmm, random error message :D | 16:25 |
| rmrfchik | wrong pasting. wait a sec ;) | 16:25 |
| rmrfchik | process 11232: D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": No such file or directory | 16:25 |
| rmrfchik | here is it ;) | 16:26 |
| rmrfchik | should I generate uuid? | 16:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Oh, just prefix the command with run-standalone.sh | 16:26 |
| lardman|home | no idea from me | 16:26 |
| lardman|home | ah, good one qwerty12_N810 | 16:26 |
| VDVsx | lardman|home, you finally left the front page of maemo.org, lol | 16:27 |
| rmrfchik | qwerty12_N810: the same thing | 16:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Have you done the "af-init-start.sh start"? | 16:27 |
| rmrfchik | yes | 16:27 |
| rmrfchik | I have maemo running in xephyr | 16:27 |
| lardman|home | VDVsx: oh, my lucky streak must have ended | 16:27 |
| lardman|home | VDVsx: or perhaps my karma has come back! :) | 16:28 |
| rmrfchik | and I'm trying to run FBreader from within the same console | 16:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Everytime I've had that message, running the program with run-standalone.sh has always made that message go away, without fail | 16:28 |
| rmrfchik | lucky you | 16:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | But you may as well run dbus-uuidgen --ensure=/var/lib/dbus/machine-id if it isn't working | 16:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | *shrug* | 16:28 |
| VDVsx | lardman|home, yeah, it was like a compensation for the missing karma;) | 16:28 |
| pupnik | my leftside menus disappeared - apps, contacts, etc | 16:28 |
| rmrfchik | is it oK: hildon-desktop[11164]: GLIB WARNING ** hildon-1 - Icon theme lookup for icon failed! | 16:29 |
| lardman|home | hmm, no my karma is not back yet | 16:29 |
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| pupnik | can i run smth to restart that "start menu"?ß | 16:29 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | pupnik: kill hildon-desktop? =) | 16:29 |
| VDVsx | lardman|home, none ? they said that only -dev is missing atm | 16:30 |
| pupnik | i need the maemo beginner track :) | 16:30 |
| rmrfchik | fbreader starts, open window and exits | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | lardman|home: msg | 16:30 |
| pupnik | oki i try :) | 16:30 |
| lardman|home | Stskeeps: my client is playing up and not showing messages | 16:31 |
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| lardman|home | VDVsx: no, I have some, just not all | 16:32 |
| lardman|home | VDVsx: sounds about right then as most of my posts are to -developers | 16:32 |
| pupnik | that was bad. like seeing the light after death | 16:34 |
| lardman|home | bbiam, need to restart client | 16:34 |
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| lardman|home | re | 16:35 |
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| lardman|home | Is there a wiki page of Summit Accommodation yet? I saw Quim's post to Talk, but just thinking about people choosing what type of accommodatioin they;d prefer, etc | 16:40 |
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| X-Fade | lardman|home: I'm googling a bit, but haven't found much yet. | 16:45 |
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| Jaffa | lardman|home: Not that I've seen | 16:46 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: I'm going to try and use the accept/reject sponsorship page at some point today | 16:46 |
| lardman|home | Would it be worth starting one? As some people are wanting hostels, some single, some double rooms, etc | 16:46 |
| VDVsx | lardman|home, starting point: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Accommodation | 16:49 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, do you people use the omap3-enabled qemu found at https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=877 ? | 16:51 |
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| lardman|home | this is last year's: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008/Accommodation | 16:52 |
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| lcuk2 | didnt we get to stay in the hilton last year | 16:54 |
| Corsac | to the Hildon | 16:55 |
| lcuk2 | and c-base very graciously supplied caviar and champers | 16:55 |
| Corsac | libchampain? | 16:55 |
| lcuk2 | lol | 16:56 |
| lcuk2 | jaffa, works? feedback? (in pm please) :D | 16:56 |
| lardman|home | My wiki editing isn't the best, so I'll probably manage a list, but a table might be better | 16:57 |
| lardman|home | e.g. Name/nick/date arriving/date leaving/type of accommodation/sponsored or not/type of room (single, double, shared)/etc.? | 16:58 |
| VDVsx | lardman|home, like the one created for the mozdev event | 16:59 |
| lardman|home | ah, I knew there was one somewhere | 16:59 |
| VDVsx | *mozmae | 16:59 |
| lardman|home | yep, sounds suitable | 16:59 |
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| lardman|home | ok I've added a very clunky table | 17:15 |
| lardman|home | if people think it's suitable, feel free to add/modify it | 17:16 |
| VDVsx | seems fine -> http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Accommodation | 17:17 |
| keesj | looks good | 17:22 |
| lardman|home | I';ve added it to the Talk thread too | 17:23 |
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| Jaffa | Bah. I wish the SDK had Web Runtime already included. I want to play with some web mash-ups (Tube info etc.) | 17:25 |
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| VDVsx | Jaffa, you can use WRT outside the sdk:) | 17:26 |
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| Jaffa | VDVsx: Is there a Linux version of something for it? | 17:30 |
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| VDVsx | Jaffa, nop, you need a s60 emulator for testing propose, afaik, or a device that support wrt :( | 17:32 |
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| sjgadsby | Huh. I thought my karma was higher than 550. | 17:41 |
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| VDVsx | sjgadsby, it's around 1000 isn't it ? (ml issues probably) | 17:47 |
| Jaffa | sjgadsby: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3692 ? | 17:47 |
| Jaffa | sjgadsby: See final comments. Karma for mailing lists was destroyed, and it's taking a week or two to come back. Doing it atomically was, apparently, not possible. | 17:49 |
| VDVsx | humm, the profile thumbs up/down gone :) | 17:49 |
| sjgadsby | VDVsx, Jaffa: Actually, it looks as though all my karma from t.m.o disappeared. Probably because I never updated the URL from ITt. I'll do so now. | 17:49 |
| VDVsx | wow, in fact I thought I had less karma :P | 17:50 |
| VDVsx | sjgadsby, plus the ML issue | 17:51 |
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| Jaffa | sjgadsby: ITT URLs should still work. | 17:52 |
| * Jaffa and X-Fade did a bit of a tidy-up | 17:52 | |
| lardman|home | yeah mine does still | 17:52 |
| * Jaffa 's too :-) | 17:52 | |
| Jaffa | Anyone who was invalid had it unset. Any we could directly match on email address was auto-matched. Any outstanding will be getting an email if their tmo account makes them eligible to vote | 17:53 |
| VDVsx | wow, Quim reached the 3000 points | 17:53 |
| lardman|home | X-Fade: you should probably change the text in the profile pages from "itt thanks" to "Talk thanks" or similar | 17:54 |
| lardman|home | hmm, I've been a member since the 1st of Jan 1970 :) | 17:55 |
| X-Fade | lardman|home: Yes, although that is used in the code too so it is not that trivial. | 17:55 |
| lardman|home | ah fair enough, it makes enough sense as is | 17:55 |
| VDVsx | lardman|home, your fathers sign up for you before you born :) | 17:59 |
| X-Fade | Discussion imports will be finished today probably. Will recalc karma tomorrow morning. | 17:59 |
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| lardman|home | cheers X-Fade | 18:04 |
| lardman|home | hmm, I need a 4th monitor it would appear | 18:06 |
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| lcuk2 | o_O | 18:07 |
| lcuk2 | lardman|home, for home or for work | 18:07 |
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| lardman|home | how, but I'm working from home | 18:08 |
| lardman|home | s/how/home | 18:08 |
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| lcuk2 | so one monitor for code, one for results, one for irc and one for? | 18:08 |
| lardman|home | 2 for results, lots of images | 18:09 |
| lardman|home | plus it makes the room lighter | 18:10 |
| lardman|home | and warmer | 18:10 |
| lardman|home | :) | 18:10 |
| lcuk2 | yeah | 18:10 |
| lcuk2 | CRT suntan | 18:10 |
| lardman|home | LCD not, I don't have a desk that strong | 18:10 |
| lardman|home | s/not/now | 18:11 |
| lardman|home | I really can't type | 18:11 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm I now notice that a lot of people send their python apps to the builder with i386 arch. | 18:16 |
| X-Fade | Shouldn't this be 'all'? | 18:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | If it's all, then the armel builder has no need to build it | 18:17 |
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| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: Yeah any of the builders should be enough. | 18:18 |
| X-Fade | I guess I need to check the .dsc too when doing the log parsing. | 18:19 |
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| X-Fade | Because there is says: Architecture: all | 18:21 |
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| VDVsx | X-Fade, some python apps can have C bindings or other stuff that need to be compiled, that's the case for bluemaemo | 18:22 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx: Sure, but those need to have a correct arch. | 18:23 |
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| javispedro | I did submit a All package to the diablo autobuilder (opengfx) and it sent it to both i386 and armel | 18:27 |
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| VDVsx | javispedro, different repos, but the same package on both | 18:29 |
| javispedro | same "All" package on both, isn't that ok? | 18:30 |
| wazd | I have some extrordinary news that can collapse the Universe :) | 18:32 |
| javispedro | The N900 uses Windows CE? | 18:32 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, if it's python/script based, yes | 18:32 |
| wazd | Just listen: Eldar told that Microsoft is ready to write Office for Maemo | 18:32 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: don't be silly, everyone knows it's gonna use Android! :p | 18:32 |
| javispedro | VDVsx, if the exact same binary package does not work in all archs, then it should be "any" architecture instead of all. | 18:32 |
| javispedro | (AFAIK :P) | 18:33 |
| javispedro | wazd, lol :) | 18:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | wazd: Eldar tells a lot these days :) | 18:33 |
| Corsac | yeah, arch:all means the same .deb can be used on all arches | 18:33 |
| Corsac | why arch:any means it needs a rebuild | 18:33 |
| VDVsx | yup | 18:33 |
| Corsac | (and arch: i386 means it'll only work on i386) | 18:33 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: yep, wrong pills I guess :) | 18:34 |
| javispedro | wazd, url? :) | 18:34 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Although, wasn't there something about Microsoft doing Silverlight for Maemo, or did that turn out to be BS? | 18:35 |
| wazd | javispedro: it's in his LJ | 18:35 |
| javispedro | k | 18:35 |
| wazd | javispedro: in n900 discussion | 18:35 |
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| javispedro | in russian, then? | 18:36 |
| VDVsx | lol | 18:38 |
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| brbrbr | im translate to english if anyone need it | 18:39 |
| javispedro | i think it's this one | 18:39 |
| javispedro | http://eldarmurtazin.livejournal.com/470188.html?thread=13551276#t13551276 | 18:39 |
| javispedro | (check first answer) | 18:39 |
| brbrbr | on mobile-review.com | 18:39 |
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| brbrbr | about possible availability of "office for linuz" ? :) | 18:41 |
| javispedro | automated translation: "and is Microsoft ready to rewrite office under linux huh?" eldar's answer: "ready" | 18:41 |
| brbrbr | &wondering about OS'es advacements :) | 18:41 |
| VDVsx | google translator is preaty good for RUS-> ENG | 18:41 |
| VDVsx | :) | 18:41 |
| javispedro | I was going to say the opposite ,but hey, translation is not my area ;P | 18:42 |
| VDVsx | can easily understand everthing, so far | 18:42 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I'm not sure, though, why MS would do a half-assed attempt on their own Windows Mobile but, yet, do a "proper" job for Linux. Of course, we may be seeing the same shit from WinMo on Linux... | 18:42 |
| brbrbr | no, there is just GUESSING about availability :) | 18:42 |
| brbrbr | and no "ready" is root post, not answer :) | 18:43 |
| javispedro | well, the "new Microsoft" did write a kmod recently. | 18:43 |
| javispedro | brbrbr, yes, sorry, check parent post of the URL I sent you | 18:43 |
| brbrbr | ok | 18:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | That allows Linux to run faster in Win 7 using Virtual PC. Whoopie. | 18:44 |
| brbrbr | i see, sorry | 18:44 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810, but I definitely see them writing gtk code allowing them "extend their .docx monopoly", in a few years of course. | 18:44 |
| brbrbr | Linux in Win ? dont get point of that :) | 18:44 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: *nod* | 18:45 |
| brbrbr | btw win mobile itself is quite mobile, too | 18:45 |
| javispedro | well, maybe not gtk but qt/javascript/whatever, or maybe not .docx but .docx2 or .docxxx | 18:45 |
| javispedro | but you get the idea ;) | 18:46 |
| shiznebit | so N900 is 100% OSS | 18:46 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Yes, I don't think ".docxxx" would be a proposed format. The extension is longer than 3 characters. ;) | 18:46 |
| javispedro | shiznebit, for a start, it does not have free 3d drivers. | 18:46 |
| brbrbr | and desktop windeos too, btw, thats why Microsoft fire half on WM team and netbook book spik. to prevent ARM HAL birth for desktop OS, under shreholders pressure | 18:46 |
| shiznebit | well thats expected | 18:46 |
| brbrbr | windeos==windows, sry | 18:46 |
| shiznebit | PowerVR afterall | 18:47 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810, well, .docx is 4 chars long already, causing all kinds of breackage in apps still in use by now ;) | 18:47 |
| terriblepython | .html? | 18:47 |
| javispedro | (ugly unmaintained apps, all has to be said) | 18:47 |
| terriblepython | .jpeg | 18:47 |
| javispedro | .htm & .jpg. I've seen full of them. | 18:47 |
| terriblepython | there are a couple 3+ char file-exts :) | 18:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I was being my usual self... | 18:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | But.. :) | 18:48 |
| javispedro | yeah, and I hope the app I am talking about dies a silent death. | 18:48 |
| * lcuk2 commonly uses filenames with long extensions to annoy windows | 18:50 | |
| lcuk2 | or sometimes even uses files without extension | 18:50 |
| shiznebit | i dont think the carriers are gonna be thrilled about a Phone with root and VOIP cabapility | 18:50 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Why? I thought you <3 Windows? :) | 18:50 |
| lcuk2 | i like the WM | 18:50 |
| lcuk2 | i dont like the os | 18:51 |
| shiznebit | i cant see how the N900 will be ever subsidized | 18:51 |
| lcuk2 | give me linux with XP WM ontop please :) | 18:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | You're a coder - do it yourself :p | 18:51 |
| javispedro | shiznebit, well, a carrier rejecting a nokia phone... | 18:51 |
| lcuk2 | (and make sure it runs visual basic kthxbye | 18:51 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: afaict silverlight isn't bs, it's just vaporware | 18:52 |
| lcuk2 | moonlight is the linux implementation isnt it | 18:52 |
| lcuk2 | in assoc. with novel? | 18:52 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: i'm pretty sure it's still in the cards, just thankfully not ready | 18:52 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: Ah... thanks | 18:52 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk2: there's no guarantee it's the moonlight impl | 18:52 |
| javispedro | lcuk2, yeah, oss but totally useless (binary codecs) | 18:52 |
| timeless_mbp | i have no idea | 18:52 |
| timeless_mbp | but am glad not to be worrying about it for at least another day :) | 18:52 |
| timeless_mbp | hopefully many many more days :) | 18:52 |
| brbrbr | SL is PR-BS for existed things. like "clod computing" for distributed systesm, existed before Microsoft itself[google "GRID" ] | 18:53 |
| timeless_mbp | flash (and half a dozen other plugins) already give me more than enough headaches | 18:53 |
| lcuk2 | awww but timeless, you could get to run your cross ref tool using all the .net framework goodness | 18:53 |
| * lcuk2 throws up a little | 18:53 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: IE6 rocks | 18:53 |
| qwerty12_N810 | /s | 18:53 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, people should keep in mind that ms did port IE to Solaris and HPUX | 18:53 |
| qwerty12_N810 | (Before anyone thinks about beheading me ;)) | 18:54 |
| javispedro | with half of windows, if the rumours are to be believed. | 18:54 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk2: actually, i could cross reference flash, but i was never able to cross reference opera | 18:54 |
| timeless_mbp | or rhapsody | 18:54 |
| timeless_mbp | it depends on whether we get binary drops or source drops and build ourselves | 18:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | anyway, given that ms was able to port com (and does do that today for OSX) | 18:54 |
| timeless_mbp | it's likely that ms could whenever it felt like it (w/in 18months) port another com based app (office, ie, ...) to another platform | 18:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | but whether ms would choose to do so, depends on what their business interests are | 18:55 |
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| lcuk2 | i think at some point soon ms will have to bite the bullet :) | 18:56 |
| javispedro | well, they have what is by all means a "code army". So even if Office was full of x86-ism (they say it is) they could easily port it in a year. | 18:56 |
| lcuk2 | even if its not directly maemo, it may be android or one of the desktop oses | 18:56 |
| javispedro | s/code/coder/ | 18:56 |
| infobot | javispedro meant: well, they have what is by all means a "coder army". So even if Office was full of x86-ism (they say it is) they could easily port it in a year. | 18:56 |
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| * timeless_mbp ponders | 18:57 | |
| lcuk2 | office isnt full of x86isms - its the windowsisms that are the kicker | 18:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | yeah i'd be relatively shocked if office was full of x86isms | 18:57 |
| brbrbr | no, at some part is it. like kbd interface and etc | 18:57 |
| javispedro | lcuk2, there was some msdn blog post telling about how the excel 2007 bug was caused by bad x86 assembly code | 18:57 |
| timeless_mbp | for a while windows supported half a dozen or more os's | 18:57 |
| timeless_mbp | and alpha support lasted quite a while | 18:58 |
| brbrbr | but in few places. just shortcuts for speedup | 18:58 |
| timeless_mbp | alpha was nice in that it kept people honest | 18:58 |
| lcuk2 | javispedro, thats likely a tiny fraction of the majority | 18:58 |
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| lcuk2 | and the rest depends on windows api | 18:58 |
| javispedro | timeless_mbp, was office ported? | 18:58 |
| timeless_mbp | to alpha? | 18:58 |
| javispedro | or something non x86. | 18:58 |
| lcuk2 | dunno, look - it was at least on mac | 18:58 |
| javispedro | windows was, for sure. | 18:59 |
| timeless_mbp | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/168331 | 18:59 |
| lcuk2 | before x86 | 18:59 |
| timeless_mbp | OFF97: Office for Alpha Chip Error Vba332.DLL Could Not Be Found | 18:59 |
| timeless_mbp | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/168351 | 18:59 |
| timeless_mbp | WD97: Word for Alpha Crashes Converting Some WP Graphics | 18:59 |
| javispedro | Ok, I get the hint ;) | 18:59 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: well, i don't know how much Office code if any is shared between OS X and Win32 | 18:59 |
| javispedro | lol | 19:00 |
| mandara | is there a maemo fremantle virtual image somewhere? | 19:00 |
| javispedro | timeless_mbp, those kb articles make reference to the FX!32 | 19:00 |
| javispedro | fwiw, that is a x86 emulator!! | 19:00 |
| * brbrbr remember MIPS WInNT ports :) | 19:00 | |
| * timeless_mbp nods | 19:00 | |
| timeless_mbp | brbrbr: i do too | 19:00 |
| brbrbr | :) | 19:00 |
| brbrbr | and NEC and Acer Workstations :-) | 19:01 |
| timeless_mbp | http://reviews.cnet.com/office-suites/intl-office-prem-2000/1707-3524_7-5602200.html | 19:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | Upgrade from Microsoft Word for Alpha Systems v. 2.6 | 19:01 |
| timeless_mbp | it clearly was a product | 19:01 |
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| javispedro | yep, parts of it using a x86 emulator, probably compatibilty with x86 office addons or something | 19:02 |
| timeless_mbp | most likely they just didn't port the converter/importer | 19:02 |
| timeless_mbp | but anyway, that was 1998 or so, so it was maintained for at least a bit | 19:03 |
| brbrbr | for particular format. or dont' finish it yet | 19:03 |
| javispedro | office 97 wasn't ported, I am reading a forum post about someone using the FX!32 to launch the x86 installer | 19:03 |
| timeless_mbp | well, 2.6 clearly was :) | 19:04 |
| javispedro | but there are clear references to "native Office for Alpha" between 97 and 2000 | 19:04 |
| javispedro | so I guess there was indeed a Office 2000 release | 19:04 |
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| * Luke-Jr wonders why most programs can't be staticly compiled from one bytecode language to another | 19:06 | |
| Luke-Jr | other than the obvious thunking, I mean | 19:06 |
| javispedro | you mean, like Java ;) ? | 19:07 |
| Luke-Jr | could probably have a libthunk_x86_32.so or such with the replacement syscalls | 19:07 |
| Luke-Jr | javispedro: Java bc -> native is possible | 19:07 |
| javispedro | it's called AoT | 19:07 |
| Luke-Jr | but why not, for example, x86 bc -> native | 19:07 |
| javispedro | cause Java bytecode is designed for portability, and not for easy of hw implementation/legacy issues | 19:07 |
| Luke-Jr | actually it's called GCJ | 19:07 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: Silverlight for Maemo comes from an older Nokia press release | 19:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ah, right, not MS, thanks | 19:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | (the press release) | 19:09 |
| javispedro | "Nokia will also make Silverlight available on its Series 40 devices and its Internet Tablet devices, the companies are expected to announce Tuesday." | 19:09 |
| javispedro | did something happen on that tuesday? | 19:09 |
| timeless_mbp | it was announced | 19:10 |
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| divide_by_zero | hi. any SDK+ "experts" around? | 19:10 |
| javispedro | so then it's vaporware :) | 19:10 |
| divide_by_zero | I'm trying the manual's first test, but I get the mysterious error: fakeroot: preload library not found, aborting. | 19:10 |
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| javispedro | divide_by_zero, other than reinstalling, I dunno. Google shows lots of hits. | 19:14 |
| divide_by_zero | javispedro: some of the hits are my message in the maemo.org forum :] | 19:17 |
| javispedro | then you have 1179 other hits to look at ;) | 19:17 |
| javispedro | either way, I remember sb2 came with its own fakeroot, sb2 -R iirc. | 19:18 |
| divide_by_zero | yeah, I tried the -R too... | 19:20 |
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| divide_by_zero | same message comes up... | 19:21 |
| divide_by_zero | but then there is the more informative ERROR: ld.so: object 'libfakeroot-sysv.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. | 19:21 |
| divide_by_zero | maybe I can link some file?... | 19:21 |
| javispedro | you are using amd64 or ia32? | 19:22 |
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| divide_by_zero | hmmm that is a very good question. I am inside a ia32 chroot in an AMD64 box... :] | 19:24 |
| slonopotamus | :D | 19:25 |
| Jaffa | Proper press-release is: http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=1197788 | 19:25 |
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| Jaffa | javispedro: ^ | 19:25 |
| slonopotamus | divide_by_zero, total failure :) | 19:26 |
| javispedro | "Microsoft Silverlight availability for Nokia Series 40 devices and Nokia Internet tablets will be confirmed later." heh. | 19:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Was S40 even possible? | 19:26 |
| slonopotamus | javispedro, someone finally managed to compile moonlight for arm? :) | 19:27 |
| javispedro | there is mono for arm afaik, but moonlight is useless. | 19:28 |
| javispedro | the codecs are binary, for a start. | 19:28 |
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| javispedro | also, "later" = "a year and still waiting for the announcement". | 19:29 |
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| divide_by_zero | the only thing that ever made me consider using silverlight to date is photosynth | 19:32 |
| VDVsx | bahh, Eldar's todays leak was canceled -> http://twitter.com/eldarmurtazin/status/3535935840 :P | 19:35 |
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| javispedro | btw | 19:39 |
| javispedro | microsoft is nearer to write gtk code than I though | 19:39 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: Oh? | 19:40 |
| javispedro | the moonlight codecs pack (part microsoft code) already links with glib. | 19:40 |
| VDVsx | o_0 | 19:40 |
| javispedro | (this is continuing the discussion we were having here minutes ago) | 19:41 |
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| VDVsx | nah, they will switch to Qt :) | 19:41 |
| VDVsx | next office version will be made with Qt :P | 19:41 |
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| javispedro | hehe | 19:42 |
| VDVsx | will be a good move, they could sell it for win, mac, linux and use some of the code for S60 and maemo ;) | 19:44 |
| * javispedro would pay for that MS file with #include <glib.h> at the top ;) | 19:45 | |
| javispedro | would be cool to see :) | 19:46 |
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| javispedro | "funny" would be a better word actually. | 19:46 |
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| VDVsx | javispedro, , how much ? :P | 19:49 |
| javispedro | nil, of course :D | 19:50 |
| VDVsx | bahh, http://pastebin.com/m122debc0 ;) | 19:51 |
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| VDVsx | hiihih | 19:51 |
| javispedro | hehe :P even my untrained eyes can tell that is a copy :) | 19:52 |
| javispedro | cheap copy. | 19:52 |
| VDVsx | ;) | 19:54 |
| GAN800 | lardman|home, Samsung 2343bwx. | 19:55 |
| lardman|home | GAN800: ? | 20:00 |
| lardman|home | ah, a screen I should buy :) | 20:01 |
| lardman|home | seems pretty dear to me though | 20:01 |
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| mgedmin | hey! I just upgraded openssh on my tablet and now I can't log in using my public key | 20:15 |
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| VDVsx | mgedmin, I've also problems with the last version :( | 20:17 |
| mgedmin | grr! apt-cache policy is useless for distinguishing extras from extras-devel (and from the SDK repo) | 20:18 |
| VDVsx | mgedmin, http://n2.nabble.com/ssh-permission-denied-td3499742.html#a3499742 | 20:19 |
| mgedmin | thanks! | 20:20 |
| VDVsx | maybe the same problem | 20:20 |
| mgedmin | most likely | 20:20 |
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| mgedmin | VDVsx: I owe you a beer | 20:20 |
| VDVsx | ;) | 20:21 |
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| javispedro | lo, I had that ssh problem too, I think i patched the ssh source instead :P | 20:29 |
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| javispedro | okey, gonna send something to the autobuilder. hope it works _perfectly fine_ or I'm gonna sue you all ;) | 20:32 |
| X-Fade | lol | 20:33 |
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| Gadgetoid | Woo! | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | yay court | 20:36 |
| Gadgetoid | The out of the box N810 experience is better than I remember | 20:36 |
| Gadgetoid | Only took 20 attempts to pair with my wireless keyboard! | 20:36 |
| mgedmin | is it safe to rm things under ~/.modest/cache ? | 20:37 |
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| javispedro | damn the diablo queue has 3 packages, it'll be a while before I can call my lawyer :( | 20:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: Fremantle Transmission build needs killing, please (and I have no idea why :)) | 20:38 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810, see you in court ;) | 20:39 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: Currently running? | 20:39 |
| * qwerty12_N810 packs his bags | 20:39 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: yessir | 20:39 |
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| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: It is just building slowly because the builder is building a few large packages, I think. | 20:40 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ah, OK, thanks... | 20:40 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I thought I fucked up again | 20:40 |
| X-Fade | pyside and json-glib are building too. And pyside is quite large. | 20:40 |
| javispedro | pyside!! | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | yay pyside | 20:40 |
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| X-Fade | Ah only a load of 7.5 on the builder ;) | 20:42 |
| * javispedro envisions a Beowulf cluster of wsod'd n770 building packages. | 20:42 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | Think Transmission uses -j4... | 20:42 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: I can arrange that for you if you want me to | 20:42 |
| crashanddie | javispedro: 770, there's no such thing as a n770 | 20:42 |
| javispedro | touché. | 20:42 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: -j4 is the default setting. | 20:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Yep, and the rules files takes advantage of it ;) | 20:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | *file | 20:43 |
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| * mgedmin upgrades to fennec beta 3 | 20:45 | |
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| mgedmin | still crap | 20:48 |
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| mgedmin | not as bad as it used to be | 20:50 |
| mgedmin | maybe | 20:50 |
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| VDVsx | mgedmin, slow ? or other complains :P | 20:57 |
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| mgedmin | not pleasant to use | 20:58 |
| mgedmin | mostly because it's not as responsive as I'd like | 20:58 |
| mgedmin | raises the urge to throw my n810 against a wall | 20:59 |
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| VDVsx | mgedmin, don't forget that you are using a *old* device :) | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | things like you try to scroll down while zoomed in to a comfortable reading size, and it suddenly decides you're scrolling to a side, hides all the text, replaces it with a checkerboard pattern, shows controls on the right side | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | then immediately hides controls on the right side, shows the location bar on top, then hides the location bar on top, then replaces the checkerboard with a zoomed-out full-page view | 21:00 |
| VDVsx | ehehhe | 21:00 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: what's on your feature todo list for maemo.org/packages? | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | there ain't a device made that's new enough for fennec | 21:00 |
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| mgedmin | I can see how the UI could be very pleasant to use, if only it were responsive enough | 21:01 |
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| Luke-Jr | need to use Konqueror and KDE 4.3 | 21:01 |
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| terriblepython | is there a way to run a python script that uses a depricated module (rlcompleter)? | 21:02 |
| mgedmin | in what sense is it deprecated? | 21:03 |
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| terriblepython | it says its depricated, and the script doesnt run, so I'm guessing it is not in maemo python2.5 | 21:05 |
| terriblepython | "module not found " etc. | 21:05 |
| mgedmin | ah, not found | 21:06 |
| mgedmin | I'd look at the script and see if it relies heavily on rlcompleter | 21:06 |
| mgedmin | maybe it's easier to make it work without it | 21:06 |
| terriblepython | I does rely heavily on it :( | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | it might be seperated out from core python | 21:07 |
| mgedmin | maybe there's a package that ships rlcompleter? | 21:07 |
| mgedmin | it is part of the standard library, after all | 21:07 |
| terriblepython | I've searched all over, doesnt seem like it | 21:07 |
| terriblepython | but it would be awesome if I were incorrect | 21:07 |
| mgedmin | it's a pure python module | 21:07 |
| mgedmin | you could always copy it from a random python 2.5 distribution and put it on the python path (eg. in the same directory as your script) | 21:08 |
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| terriblepython | Oh, you can do that? | 21:08 |
| mgedmin | sure | 21:09 |
| terriblepython | I'll try right freaking now! | 21:09 |
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| terriblepython | <-- python noob | 21:09 |
| VDVsx | terriblepython, and you should report a bug against pyMaemo, since it's a standard library module | 21:10 |
| mgedmin | +1 | 21:10 |
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| * wiretapped copied rlcompleter to his n800 from a normal python install and it works great | 21:22 | |
| * wiretapped pities the fool who uses python -i without rlcompleter | 21:22 | |
| wiretapped | especially on a touchscreen | 21:23 |
| slonopotamus | what about ipython? | 21:23 |
| wiretapped | tab completion ftw | 21:23 |
| * Corsac uses ipython | 21:23 | |
| wiretapped | is there ipython for maemo? | 21:23 |
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| X-Fade | mikkov_: Build logs, list packages per maintainer, list packages with broken dependencies, security update promotion. | 21:24 |
| slonopotamus | wiretapped, easy_install ipython :P | 21:24 |
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| X-Fade | mikkov_: And maybe tapping into bugzilla and display some bug statics/info etc. | 21:26 |
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| mikkov_ | X-Fade: I have couple of simple requests: show changelog, show copyright file, links to source files | 21:36 |
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| X-Fade | mikkov_: I guess I need to implement more parsing then ;) | 21:36 |
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| guardian | please, what's the common way to get a debug build when using autotools? define a "--with-debug" or alike configure option or else? | 21:42 |
| keesj | I use export CFLAGS=-g | 21:42 |
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| keesj | what is a good editor to program glib (something that helps creating those OBJECT marco's) | 21:45 |
| javispedro | keesj: Vala. | 21:46 |
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| guardian | thx keesj | 21:48 |
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| pfrugal | is there update for the N810 past 43-7? | 22:03 |
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| slonopotamus | pfrugal, no and will never be | 22:04 |
| RST38h | moo all | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | except for community SSU or Mer, yeah | 22:05 |
| wiretapped | 43-7 is perfect, obviously. | 22:05 |
| slonopotamus | ... | 22:05 |
| * wiretapped wonders why other OSes never get done updating | 22:05 | |
| slonopotamus | modest is crap | 22:05 |
| slonopotamus | microb is terribly slow | 22:06 |
| RST38h | tell us all something new | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | tear++ | 22:06 |
| RST38h | tear is also on the slow side and its attempts at kinetic scrolling are usually fatal | 22:07 |
| slonopotamus | # apt-cache search tear | 22:07 |
| wiretapped | does anyone know what browser the n900 is shipping with? | 22:07 |
| slonopotamus | mplayerplug-in - MPlayer-Plugin for MicroB/Tear/Midori/Webkit | 22:07 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, what repo is it in? | 22:07 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: you don't know Tear? | 22:07 |
| konttori | how big is pyside + qt? | 22:08 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i know that it isn't in extras | 22:08 |
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| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Tear | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | true | 22:09 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 22:09 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, morning | 22:09 |
| pfrugal | Stskeeps, is SSU or Mer stable? | 22:10 |
| slonopotamus | pfrugal, there aint any ssu. it's only an unlikely-to-happen idea | 22:11 |
| slonopotamus | beyound 43-7, i mean | 22:12 |
| slonopotamus | s/u// | 22:12 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: beyond 43-7, i mean | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | no, not unlikely, just noone taking up the task and following through | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:12 |
| slonopotamus | = unlikely | 22:12 |
| slonopotamus | i'd bet on mer, not maemo :) | 22:13 |
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| RST38h | <yawn> | 22:28 |
| mavhc | is there an easy way to share the clipboard in maemo with windows? | 22:29 |
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| johnsq | putty supports cut&paste | 22:31 |
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| mavhc | usually I want to send urls from one to the other | 22:32 |
| RST38h | Ah god, they are already discussing N920 | 22:33 |
| RST38h | (why 920?) | 22:33 |
| johnsq | mavhc: send a email from one to another. | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: it's the octal representation of the actual number of the devil | 22:34 |
| johnsq | RST38h: because N900 has many design bugs, and 920 is the bug fix release | 22:34 |
| RST38h | Sts: ORLY? | 22:34 |
| RST38h | No, it cannot be octal representation as 9>7 | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | oh, wait, 920.. | 22:34 |
| * RST38h especially likes the rumor that RX-56 will be based on Atom | 22:34 | |
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| kirma | pst38h: who is discussing? | 22:35 |
| RST38h | Just to increase the amount of madness in this world, we should all work on perpetrating this rumor | 22:35 |
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| RST38h | kirma. talk.maemo.org | 22:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: I knew there was a reason why the autobuilder does i386 builds too! ;) | 22:35 |
| mavhc | hmm http://sourceforge.net/projects/netclipboard/ | 22:36 |
| RST38h | Ehehehe | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: read my planet post on cross-compilation btw? | 22:36 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: What if it starts doing PPC builds? =) | 22:36 |
| mavhc | I knew the atom was old tech, didn't know it was 386 | 22:36 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: then we all scream :p | 22:36 |
| RST38h | That is because Atom never was 386 | 22:36 |
| RST38h | And Menlow chipset mentioned on talk is kinda...mm..aged | 22:36 |
| mavhc | meh, QT | 22:37 |
| RST38h | If Nokia releases an Atom based tablet, it will most surely NOT have Menlow | 22:37 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: no, although I could do with reading something... | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2009/08/debconf-thoughts-part-two-on-cross.html | 22:37 |
| mavhc | what next, a nokia netbook? | 22:37 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Thanks | 22:37 |
| RST38h | qwerty: ...and start saving oil for coolant? =) | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | mavhc: what rock have you been hiding under? :P | 22:37 |
| johnsq | mavhc: already announced, when apple makes phones, nokia make laptops | 22:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: hehe | 22:38 |
| RST38h | qwerty: BTW, that 54.2% XBox return percentage was apparently close to being true | 22:39 |
| RST38h | At least, Microsoft has not tried denying it | 22:39 |
| mavhc | over 40% of xboxes don't suck! | 22:39 |
| mavhc | I've been painting my rock in sarcasm blue | 22:40 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: interesting... they got the first xbox right, wonder where they went wrong with the 360 :) | 22:40 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Why wonder? The answer is known | 22:41 |
| RST38h | qwerty: They made an error using PPC and disregarding its thermal envelope | 22:41 |
| mavhc | they tried to put 2 mac pros into a tiny box | 22:42 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Sony made the same mistake (enriching IBM in the process) | 22:42 |
| johnsq | RST38h: wanted to say the same, the new slim only need 230 Watt. | 22:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ah... Well, at least I know that my Wii is safe from overheating... it's not the most powerful console out there... | 22:43 |
| RST38h | So, there is huge chance the next consoles from both companies will be x86 based | 22:43 |
| RST38h | johnsq: "only" ? :) | 22:43 |
| johnsq | RST38h: yes reduced, compared to the old | 22:43 |
| mavhc | xbox was x86 | 22:44 |
| RST38h | qwerty: With Wii, Nintendo stayed conservative, they simply took [unpopular] GameBox and pumped specs a little bit | 22:44 |
| RST38h | mavhc: We are talking about XBox360, it is PPC based | 22:44 |
| mavhc | indeed | 22:44 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Shame the games still suck :) | 22:44 |
| mavhc | who has time for games, I need to irc, rss and watch torrents | 22:45 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Wii Fit is probably the best thing I've got | 22:45 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Well, I personally can't play anything younger than SNES stuff (and similar GBA stuff) | 22:45 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Just do not see the point | 22:45 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | It'd be hard for me to say the same (for the SNES) at least considering I was less than a year old when it came out in Europe :p | 22:47 |
| RST38h | heh | 22:48 |
| mavhc | if everyone bought an xbox we could bankrupt microsoft | 22:49 |
| RST38h | and speed up global warming | 22:50 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ...and increase leechers of xbox torrents | 22:50 |
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| RST38h | <sleep> | 23:02 |
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| slonopotamus | Macer, Macer, you're not in #gentoo-embedded anymore. i just happily built cups-1.3.10-r2 | 23:17 |
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| pupnik_ | nice job | 23:23 |
| pupnik_ | tree killer | 23:23 |
| pupnik_ | :) | 23:23 |
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| javispedro | bah, slashdot grabbing a five years old story and running it like if it was news | 23:54 |
| Mek | so what's new? :) | 23:55 |
| javispedro | what's worse is that now everyone is going to run it too | 23:55 |
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| nedko | hi | 23:55 |
| javispedro | hi | 23:55 |
| nedko | i have a (stupid) question :) | 23:55 |
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| nedko | i want maemo device that ca act as gsm (not 3g) | 23:56 |
| nedko | i've read about nokia n800 n810 and n900 | 23:56 |
| nedko | but they are described as internet tablets | 23:56 |
| nedko | and i'm confused | 23:56 |
| javispedro | no. they're not phones. | 23:57 |
| javispedro | (sigh) | 23:57 |
| Mek | well, n900 will be | 23:57 |
| nedko | thanks | 23:58 |
| nedko | so i'll wait some more years to get a real personal device :] | 23:58 |
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| javispedro | [start flame about pdas not needing phones] | 23:59 |
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