| fwrnando | I wonder if it will be able to run full featured flash websites in a decent speed | 00:00 |
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| fwrnando | flash is such a cpu hog lol | 00:00 |
| zakkm | guy said flash works perfect | 00:00 |
| zakkm | youtube and all | 00:00 |
| Jaffa | Did he mention YouTube? | 00:00 |
| ShadowJK | Well I have a Intel Quad Core Q9550, and I can tell you that NOTHING runs full featured flash websites at decent speed. | 00:00 |
| fwrnando | full youtube or m.youtube.com? | 00:01 |
| zakkm | yeah im mostly sure i saw youtube | 00:01 |
| javispedro | for the record, i was talking about nand flash. | 00:01 |
| fwrnando | ShadowJK: :) | 00:01 |
| zakkm | full youtube... m.youtube wont work? | 00:01 |
| zakkm | would it? | 00:01 |
| zakkm | m.youtube is 3gp | 00:01 |
| * ShadowJK hasn't tried m.youtube on N810 :) | 00:01 | |
| fwrnando | they have a flash lite m.youtube | 00:01 |
| zakkm | ShadowJK: woww is it overclocked? :P friend has a 4ghz q9550 :P | 00:01 |
| ShadowJK | But regular youtube works well enough if you've got free ram | 00:01 |
| fwrnando | http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/9137_YouTube_Mobile_leverages_Flash.php | 00:01 |
| ShadowJK | zakkm, default clocks | 00:01 |
| fwrnando | "leverages", ha | 00:02 |
| zakkm | ohh sickkk | 00:02 |
| zakkm | fwrnando: sorry man , i wasnt aware of tht at all | 00:02 |
| zakkm | i just remember the super old m.youtube | 00:03 |
| ShadowJK | m.youtube is kinda awesome in that it works even on my ancient Nokia 6230 :) | 00:04 |
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| fwrnando | so yeah, eldar might be referring to m.youtube.com, which while flash, isn't really a benchmark of "runs flash full speed" | 00:05 |
| fwrnando | I can hope though :) | 00:05 |
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| zakkm | n900 is very uhh | 00:06 |
| zakkm | top line stuff though | 00:06 |
| zakkm | im sure it would work fine | 00:06 |
| zakkm | it could also run flash 10, while in diablo we only have flash 9 | 00:06 |
| zakkm | which could help alot too | 00:06 |
| javispedro | n810 already runs normal youtube at near full speed, why won't n900? | 00:06 |
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| ShadowJK | I've watched 30 minute flash movies on regular youtube with N810 without noticing any problems, so I'm sure N900 would do it fine? | 00:06 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah what javispedro says :P | 00:06 |
| zakkm | n810 is only slow on youtube because of downloading of video | 00:06 |
| zakkm | not flash itself | 00:06 |
| fwrnando | ah, that's reassuring | 00:06 |
| zakkm | if you let it download then play | 00:07 |
| zakkm | your see it plays just fine | 00:07 |
| fwrnando | (as I said, I don't have much experience with maemo :P) | 00:07 |
| ShadowJK | wifi consumes alot of CPU on N810.. at its maximum speed it's something like 50% | 00:07 |
| ShadowJK | But my internet isn't fast enough that it becomes an issue for me | 00:07 |
| zakkm | its the downloading of video thats slow, once it finishes loading whole video | 00:07 |
| zakkm | and you press play | 00:07 |
| zakkm | its just fine | 00:07 |
| fwrnando | wifi uses lots of cpu on the N810? hm, had no idea | 00:08 |
| zakkm | flash is fast,, its downloading thats slow / cpu intensive | 00:08 |
| zakkm | wifi on "full" | 00:08 |
| zakkm | not idle :P | 00:08 |
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| fwrnando | ah | 00:08 |
| ShadowJK | It'll be using huge amounts of CPU at 8mbit/s or so | 00:09 |
| fwrnando | I'll never run into that, so I'm safe, haha | 00:09 |
| ShadowJK | So ironically, the faster your internet connection is, the worse youtube you'll get on N810 | 00:09 |
| zakkm | no | 00:10 |
| zakkm | because it will download faster, and therefore evantually be quicker :P | 00:10 |
| javispedro | race-to-end | 00:10 |
| javispedro | it's called. :) | 00:10 |
| fwrnando | someone make a graph for that :P | 00:10 |
| fwrnando | (haha) | 00:10 |
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| lcuk | ShadowJK, thats a very astute observation :) | 00:10 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah I mean the optimal is your internet connection being .5megbits/s or so, enough to keep up with youtube :) | 00:10 |
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| zakkm | ShadowJK: but if you have 8mbit . and it can download video in like 10 seconds... | 00:12 |
| zakkm | then you just have a 10sec wait to watch | 00:12 |
| ShadowJK | After a night's googline once, I found some patches to the opensource wifi driver to cut down the CPU use alot, but I think it has suffered bitrot :( | 00:12 |
| zakkm | rather than "semi" smooth throughout video if you have 512kbit | 00:12 |
| zakkm | bitrot? | 00:12 |
| ShadowJK | no longer relevant | 00:13 |
| ShadowJK | because the codebase has moved on | 00:13 |
| ShadowJK | Sadly, it seems that there's not much interest in the open wifi drivers | 00:14 |
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| fwrnando | http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr73.jpg this screenshot interests me a lot too | 00:15 |
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| ShadowJK | task switcher with preview? | 00:16 |
| * lcuk thinks that looks awfully familiar | 00:16 | |
| fwrnando | you think they are just static images of the last active state of the screenshot | 00:16 |
| fwrnando | or are those being rendered in real time | 00:16 |
| fwrnando | *of the application (man that is a terrible sentence) | 00:16 |
| fwrnando | eg. will a anigif in a browser window keep moving in the preview? | 00:17 |
| zakkm | it depends how real time it is :P | 00:18 |
| zakkm | what do you class as real time | 00:18 |
| zakkm | could play a video .. would that show in real time? :P | 00:18 |
| ShadowJK | Well, from a battery life point of view it would be stupid if the apps were rendering in real time in the background all the time | 00:18 |
| ShadowJK | but I guess apps could be activated for the preview | 00:18 |
| zakkm | who said its not rendered everytime you open the "view" | 00:19 |
| ShadowJK | This kind of task switcher is something you'll probably never see on the old devices :) | 00:19 |
| fwrnando | haha, I wouldn't be crazy in keeping a video playing (tho os x's exposé does it) | 00:19 |
| zakkm | ?? | 00:19 |
| zakkm | qtablet did the same thing almost? | 00:19 |
| ShadowJK | almost ;) | 00:19 |
| fwrnando | but for something like, opening a mail client, a twitter client and seeing new stuff in the previews | 00:19 |
| zakkm | just vertically with kinetic | 00:19 |
| fwrnando | that'd be neat, imho | 00:19 |
| zakkm | rather than 3x2 | 00:19 |
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| javispedro | someone on tmo just said eldar said the new device allows one to install pkgs to the 32gib partition | 00:22 |
| wazd | the only thing that I really don't like is statusbar | 00:22 |
| wazd | icons are too disarranged | 00:22 |
| wazd | I'd rather do something like this: http://s55.radikal.ru/i148/0908/bc/d9042aff49d6.png | 00:22 |
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| javispedro | unless they're using unionfs and ext3 all over the place i don't see how... | 00:22 |
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| fwrnando | that looks nicer, wazd | 00:25 |
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| wazd | fwrnando: well, at least there's some order in it :) | 00:26 |
| kfx | oh man I'd need to find my glasses | 00:26 |
| wazd | kfx: well, that's the fremantle statusbr solution :) | 00:27 |
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| Woolly | hey guys | 00:35 |
| Woolly | I'm attempting to install oprofile according to this guide: http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/diablo/oprofile/, but am wondering if there's anything special I need to use in my flasher-3.0 line if I'm booting off a miniSD? | 00:36 |
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| mikkov_ | javispedro: I don't believe you can install apps to internal mmc | 00:38 |
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| lcuk | wazd, that whole menu as they did it looks inspired if you ask me | 00:45 |
| lcuk | it looks like it solves the problems of fixed size individual click things | 00:46 |
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| wazd | lcuk: whole what menu? :) | 00:51 |
| lcuk | the next picture | 00:52 |
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| lardman | hmm, wonderful timing of my internet dropout there | 01:05 |
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| dark | How i can get maemo hacker tools for nokia n810 | 01:07 |
| javispedro | mikkov_, I don't believe it either, but that adds to the list of things the reviewer got wrong. | 01:07 |
| javispedro | Wolly, i'm just at this very moment using oprofile. | 01:08 |
| javispedro | Wolly, I don't think there's anything special you need to consider. | 01:08 |
| javispedro | since the kernel seems to be binary compatible with everything | 01:08 |
| zakkm | you clone to sd, and add a bootmenu option to boot from it | 01:08 |
| dark | For example in mademo exist x terminal hoy i can delete the history | 01:08 |
| javispedro | (I had a few modules compiled for the std Diablo kernel and they worked flawlessly with the oprofile kernel) | 01:09 |
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| b-man16 | hello | 01:09 |
| zakkm | dark: where do you see "maemo hacker tools" | 01:09 |
| zakkm | hey b-man16: did you see the n900 full review? | 01:09 |
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| b-man16 | nope, can you give me a link? :) | 01:10 |
| zakkm | http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900-en.shtml | 01:10 |
| zakkm | b-man16: http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900-en.shtml | 01:10 |
| b-man16 | :) | 01:10 |
| zakkm | btw it is a real phone. | 01:10 |
| krzysz00 | is it ok to use the "debian lenny" devkit to develop on a nokia n800 | 01:11 |
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| javispedro | krzyzs00, you're on your own if you do (didn't try), what do you need it for tho? | 01:11 |
| b-man16 | zakkm: nice :) | 01:11 |
| lardman_ | ~lart my connection | 01:11 |
| zakkm | scroll down for screenies :D | 01:11 |
| * infobot shoots my connection in the head | 01:11 | |
| zakkm | b-man16: 550 euro too apparently | 01:12 |
| krzysz00 | imagemagick | 01:12 |
| krzysz00 | for arm | 01:12 |
| javispedro | debian-lenny devkit has imagemagick? | 01:13 |
| zakkm | krzysz00: you really cant, unless your not really | 01:13 |
| krzysz00 | hoping ... | 01:13 |
| b-man16 | zakkm: how much in us dollars? | 01:13 |
| zakkm | cause your probably doing it on a x86 chip, which wont compile ARM pretty much | 01:13 |
| javispedro | krzysz00, it doesn't. | 01:13 |
| krzysz00 | ok | 01:13 |
| zakkm | b-man16: uhh 600-700 | 01:13 |
| b-man16 | o.0 | 01:13 |
| dark | @zakkm i saw it for the oldest n7xx | 01:13 |
| zakkm | 784* sorry | 01:13 |
| b-man16 | jjjeeeeezzzzz | 01:13 |
| krzysz00 | so how do i get imagemagick in scratchbox | 01:13 |
| zakkm | dark: its too outdated, it doesnt exist anymore.. maemo changed alot in the past few years | 01:14 |
| javispedro | your best bet is to get the debian etch package for it and build it, or ask/search in the forum for someone to port it. | 01:14 |
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| zakkm | dark: all those references wont apply anymore, unless your on a 770 tablet. and using super old OS | 01:14 |
| javispedro | zakkm, lol, do you think he means OS2008HE? | 01:14 |
| zakkm | maemo hackers didnt exist for OS2008 did it? | 01:14 |
| javispedro | what's "maemo hackers"? | 01:14 |
| zakkm | it was the communities "extras" | 01:15 |
| javispedro | ah, sorry, (google) | 01:15 |
| dark | For examplo i was reading that if i had the deb i might install | 01:15 |
| zakkm | it was done before community had more control of "extras" | 01:15 |
| zakkm | pretty much, in a way | 01:15 |
| lardman_ | dark: try "cd ~ && ls -a *history*" too find your history file | 01:15 |
| lardman_ | s/too/to | 01:15 |
| lardman_ | too many ooos | 01:16 |
| zakkm | javispedro: additional repository , that had ppls apps ... now we just use extras and extras-devel and qole's | 01:16 |
| dark | Let me check | 01:16 |
| * javispedro 's too a newbie for remembering that ;) | 01:16 | |
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| javispedro | * too newbie. | 01:16 |
| zakkm | dark: if you have a deb, you double click on tablet, it will open app manager and "install it" | 01:16 |
| dark | Yes i adquired nmap | 01:16 |
| dark | But doesnt install it | 01:17 |
| zakkm | javispedro: before everyone started using extras /extras-devel .. there used to be tons of repositories.. extras/extras'devel was done to just make it one like combine them all | 01:17 |
| lardman_ | use dpkg from the command line to install nmap, it may be the packaging | 01:17 |
| javispedro | zakkm: i just arrived here when that transition was in progress :) | 01:18 |
| zakkm | me too : | 01:18 |
| zakkm | well sor tof | 01:18 |
| zakkm | my 770 wsod'd so i left and then got a n800 and came back just before | 01:18 |
| javispedro | btw, doo you remember by heart n810's launch price? | 01:18 |
| krzysz00 | is it possible to get 'convert' from the n800 in scratchbox | 01:19 |
| javispedro | (if not I'll google it, don't worry) | 01:19 |
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| javispedro | $479 according to ars :S | 01:19 |
| zakkm | javispedro: http://www.maemo-hackers.org/apt/dists/bora/main/binary-armel/Packages as you can tell , maemo-hackers had alot of packages | 01:19 |
| javispedro | ah, but most of them are now in either the sdk tools (quilt e.g.) or in extras | 01:20 |
| zakkm | yeahh now | 01:20 |
| javispedro | krzysz00, you have convert in n800? | 01:20 |
| zakkm | thats why i was surprised dark mentioned it. | 01:20 |
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| zakkm | javispedro: also extras are only for OS2008 , not everyone uses HE and extras wont approve everything | 01:21 |
| dark | For examplo i had nc and ettercap and its works | 01:21 |
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| javispedro | oh, the package name is "graphicsmagick" | 01:22 |
| zakkm | dark: what OS are you using, what tablet do you have? | 01:22 |
| zakkm | ettercap is awesome :) | 01:23 |
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| krzysz00 | thanks | 01:24 |
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| krzysz00 | i get this error with graphicsmagick | 01:25 |
| krzysz00 | maemo-invoker: died connecting to the launcher | 01:25 |
| krzysz00 | 01:25 | |
| jaem_N810 | krzysz00: did you get your USBnet situation worked out? | 01:25 |
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| javispedro | krzysz00, boot the gui (do the whole xephyr thing and af-sb-init.sh thing) | 01:26 |
| javispedro | you can read how in the sdk guide. | 01:26 |
| krzysz00 | no and i tried using my existing lan and that didn't work either so i gave up | 01:26 |
| dark | Maemo 08 n810 | 01:26 |
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| dark | For example if use ettercap by line commander its better as use graphics | 01:27 |
| dark | I will back im going to install bash 2 | 01:28 |
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| zerojayPC | Exciting day. | 01:30 |
| dark | Ready | 01:30 |
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| * wiretapped likes the new screenshots/photos | 01:32 | |
| wiretapped | but wtf is going on here? http://mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr14.jpg | 01:33 |
| javispedro | that clone-to-sd is going to be as common in n900 than in n8x0 | 01:34 |
| javispedro | either way I'll consider less than 200 MiB on rootfs by default a stab on the back to third party developers by nokia. | 01:34 |
| krzysz00 | defender: died my parent is not who he claims to be | 01:34 |
| krzysz00 | maemo-launcher: warning rising the oom shield for pid=1477 status=2816 | 01:34 |
| krzysz00 | wtf | 01:34 |
| javispedro | krzysz00, ignor ethat. | 01:34 |
| fwrnando | current symbian phones have a 100mb or so internal disk separated from the memory card/mass memory | 01:34 |
| javispedro | just wait for the gui to appear | 01:34 |
| javispedro | then retry the instalattion. | 01:35 |
| fwrnando | think they're going for the same thing there | 01:35 |
| krzysz00 | gui is not appearing | 01:35 |
| fwrnando | (weird decision, I agree) | 01:35 |
| javispedro | fwrnando, current n8x0 has a similar setup: 256MiB NAND chip (jffs2), then internal and external sd slots. | 01:35 |
| zerojayPC | wiretapped: That's probably the UI showing because he doesn't have a memory card inserted. | 01:35 |
| krzysz00 | and other errors say something about dbus not running | 01:35 |
| fwrnando | ah, I see | 01:35 |
| javispedro | krzysz00, SDK version and arch? | 01:36 |
| fwrnando | it'd be weird not to let users install stuff to mass memory | 01:36 |
| fwrnando | but I can see them doing it, lol | 01:36 |
| javispedro | fwrnando, it's not an easy job in GNU/Linux. | 01:36 |
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| fwrnando | something to do with boot devices, I guess? | 01:36 |
| javispedro | the 256MiB stores "/" | 01:37 |
| javispedro | (aka rootfs) | 01:37 |
| krzysz00 | fixed wrong cputransp | 01:37 |
| fwrnando | hm | 01:37 |
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| javispedro | (the bootloader can be configured to boot from sd card, but that's not something the average end user's going to do) | 01:38 |
| krzysz00 | fixed | 01:38 |
| fwrnando | didn't know about this gnu/linux limitation | 01:38 |
| fwrnando | shame | 01:38 |
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| javispedro | not a limitation per se (there are no limitations) just that there's no common way to do it I believe. | 01:39 |
| javispedro | (e.g. unionfs comes to mind) | 01:39 |
| fwrnando | the only limit is in your mind, I agree | 01:39 |
| dark | I want n900 | 01:39 |
| fwrnando | (:P) | 01:39 |
| javispedro | it's too pricey for me. | 01:40 |
| * javispedro goes back to optimizing things for n810.... | 01:41 | |
| * GeneralAntilles crosses fingers for discounts. | 01:41 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia is going to launch without a large portion of their core community if they don't hand them out this year. | 01:41 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles, it's all part of their masterplan to attract iphone developers. | 01:42 |
| fwrnando | it's probably going to be free on contract for lots of european carriers | 01:42 |
| javispedro | fwrnando, you probably are here because it's going to be a smartphone; but have to understand that lots of existing customers want it just because it's not a phone | 01:42 |
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| javispedro | making them pay for a contract is only going to make things worse ;P | 01:43 |
| fwrnando | haha, I see | 01:43 |
| fwrnando | the maemo community is probably having an influx of new phone-minded new members right now, me being a part of it, lol | 01:43 |
| javispedro | personally: I don't care of its a phone or not, care about price, but not going into a contract anytime soon. | 01:44 |
| zerojayPC | GeneralAntilles: It's pretty late for dev discounts. Maybe they'll hand some out at Summit... dunno. | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojayPC, I'm probably not buying. | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I dunno if I have the energy to stick with the platform if I can't get one this year. | 01:44 |
| zerojayPC | GeneralAntilles: I know I just simply won't be able to afford it. | 01:44 |
| * javispedro 's not buying either until it reaches the €350-ish mark. | 01:45 | |
| zerojayPC | GeneralAntilles: Yeah... me either. | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia can fix and support their own damn platform | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | No more free labor from me. | 01:45 |
| zerojayPC | GeneralAntilles: I don't think they'd leave their core behind though. How many got the discount for the N810... and... you know, were actually able to use it? | 01:45 |
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| pupnik_ | nokia rules for supporting linux | 01:46 |
| pupnik_ | i will be mean to people who diss them | 01:46 |
| zakkm | lol | 01:46 |
| zakkm | intel is best? | 01:46 |
| pupnik_ | intel is satan you bootlicker | 01:46 |
| zakkm | ? | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 01:46 |
| fwrnando | lol | 01:46 |
| zakkm | they opensourced everything driver wise didnt they? | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not exactly | 01:46 |
| pupnik_ | they did not | 01:46 |
| zakkm | no proprietry | 01:46 |
| zakkm | probably just thinking of videocard in linux | 01:47 |
| zakkm | :P | 01:47 |
| pupnik_ | do not let the perfect become the enemy of the good | 01:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | See the Poulsbo fun. | 01:47 |
| pupnik_ | GeneralAntilles: did you see my fix for javispedros snes emu? | 01:47 |
| fwrnando | and I was happy to see nokia shifting the high end line to a community supported platform | 01:47 |
| pupnik_ | we now have a god damn snes emu that works | 01:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haven't been paying any attention to the emu stuff in the past couple months. | 01:48 |
| fwrnando | had no idea it would cause this haha | 01:48 |
| pupnik_ | javis rules. i rule. general rules. | 01:48 |
| pupnik_ | we rule | 01:48 |
| zakkm | snes on tablet? | 01:48 |
| zerojayPC | pupnik_: What was your fix? | 01:48 |
| zerojayPC | 60fps? | 01:49 |
| Proteous | now all we need is a good dpad... | 01:49 |
| javispedro | I think SDL_AUDIODRIVER=ALSA | 01:49 |
| zakkm | 60fps, the refresh rate isnt even that high is it | 01:49 |
| javispedro | (waiting for confirmation tho :P) | 01:49 |
| zerojayPC | zakkm: Has to be, otherwise SNES is pretty much useless. | 01:49 |
| javispedro | 60fps is too much. | 01:50 |
| zakkm | http://pupnik.de/770_snes9x_pacman.jpg yeah yeah 770 godness | 01:50 |
| zakkm | snes doesnt require 60fps? | 01:50 |
| javispedro | 30fps is mostly playable. | 01:50 |
| zakkm | does it? | 01:50 |
| zakkm | that seems too high | 01:50 |
| javispedro | native ntsc snes is 60fps | 01:50 |
| zakkm | and it would be frame skipped, not slow motion | 01:50 |
| javispedro | we're talking about frameskip | 01:51 |
| zakkm | yeah | 01:51 |
| zakkm | so 60fps is too much | 01:51 |
| zakkm | and snes .. just need like 20fps | 01:51 |
| pupnik_ | zerojayPC: no 60 fps... | 01:51 |
| zakkm | its not a crazy shooting platform | 01:51 |
| pupnik_ | i dont think it's possible | 01:51 |
| zerojayPC | zakkm: 20fps is completely unplayable. | 01:51 |
| pupnik_ | but the snes emu now gives dropout-free sound | 01:51 |
| zerojayPC | Even 40 is really borderline. | 01:51 |
| pupnik_ | javispedro is a hero | 01:51 |
| pupnik_ | yes for some games | 01:51 |
| javispedro | IMHO, 10fps is my threshold | 01:51 |
| pupnik_ | not for rpgs tho | 01:52 |
| javispedro | <10fps lose mario kart race | 01:52 |
| javispedro | >10fps win :D | 01:52 |
| zerojayPC | I notice the dropped frames way too easily. | 01:52 |
| pupnik_ | javispedro: can you set output="alsa" in the code? | 01:52 |
| zakkm | does changing cpu governor to performance help? | 01:52 |
| zerojayPC | Thanks to playing all those games where you have only one frame to do things in. | 01:52 |
| pupnik_ | i assume yes | 01:52 |
| zakkm | would yield better results than ondemand | 01:52 |
| javispedro | I could pupnik_, have you seen if it has any problems? | 01:52 |
| pupnik_ | zakm, no - maybe 1fps | 01:52 |
| pupnik_ | no problems, just creamy happiness | 01:53 |
| javispedro | like, not system audio, slower frame, or something else? | 01:53 |
| javispedro | ok | 01:53 |
| pupnik_ | nothing. try it. | 01:53 |
| javispedro | thanks | 01:53 |
| javispedro | ! | 01:53 |
| pupnik_ | i KNEW it was backend shit | 01:53 |
| javispedro | i can't believe it yet :D | 01:53 |
| zakkm | GeneralAntilles: installing snow leopard 10a433 server tonight :) | 01:53 |
| krzysz00 | graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat | 01:53 |
| krzysz00 | is unfortumately unavalable | 01:53 |
| pupnik_ | and i am so happy to be right when RST38h was wrong :) | 01:53 |
| pupnik_ | how often does that happen? | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik_, depends entirely on the subject at hand. ;) | 01:54 |
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| javispedro | btw pupnik_ I don't know if you were here when I told that just selectively adding the register keyword in some vars made mariokart go +5fps faster. | 01:54 |
| pupnik_ | javispedro: can you come to amsterdam? | 01:54 |
| pupnik_ | oh i am sure you can improve a lot | 01:54 |
| javispedro | I am not decided yet, I will get my schedules in september (hope it's not too late by then) | 01:54 |
| pupnik_ | well i was considering renting a boat | 01:55 |
| zerojayPC | pupnik_: Do you know who RST38h is? | 01:55 |
| pupnik_ | i know he wrote many emulators and is about 10x as smart as me | 01:55 |
| pupnik_ | so it's awesome when i'm right, and he's wrong | 01:55 |
| AStorm | hello | 01:55 |
| javispedro | :) | 01:55 |
| zerojayPC | pupnik_: He's probably one of the most well known emulator authors and has been doing it for something like 15 years. | 01:55 |
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| AStorm | what in your opinion is the best way to share a music collection across n810 and my server | 01:56 |
| pupnik_ | yeah well i fuckin owned today | 01:56 |
| pupnik_ | don't steal my thunder | 01:56 |
| AStorm | with caching | 01:56 |
| krzysz00 | i really would like the inagemagick utils under scratchbox for a makefile that srinks images | 01:56 |
| zerojayPC | So I was somewhat shocked to see he was a tablet user. :) | 01:56 |
| javispedro | he's a genius indeed, i did not recognize him firstly when we met here | 01:56 |
| javispedro | was shocked to find | 01:56 |
| javispedro | out. | 01:56 |
| AStorm | I was thinking about some networked filesystem | 01:57 |
| AStorm | what are your ideas? | 01:57 |
| javispedro | AStorm, the tablet comes with upnp client. | 01:57 |
| AStorm | should avoid caching whole files if a dumb app like canola wants to read all the tags | 01:58 |
| AStorm | upnp is not internet-safe. | 01:58 |
| AStorm | I'm talking an actual server. | 01:58 |
| javispedro | ah, sorry, that's a requeriment then. | 01:58 |
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| AStorm | so, smart caching filesystem would be best | 01:59 |
| AStorm | any leads? | 01:59 |
| AStorm | *network filesystem | 01:59 |
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| AStorm | I could secure a VPN... but that's extra hassle | 02:00 |
| AStorm | and possibly overhead | 02:00 |
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| sp3000 | word-of-mouth? | 02:01 |
| AStorm | my shots in the dark are: 9P, coda, nfs, cifs, sshfs with mods? | 02:02 |
| sp3000 | it is too a networked filesystem :0 | 02:02 |
| javispedro | discard nfs ;) | 02:02 |
| AStorm | sp3000, yeah, but too slow to transfer my music :> | 02:02 |
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| lardman | re | 02:02 |
| javispedro | i'd suggest sshfs, but that has some overhead too. | 02:02 |
| javispedro | (compression may be a benefit tho) | 02:02 |
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| AStorm | the main req is caching | 02:03 |
| AStorm | nah, compression won't help compressed music | 02:03 |
| sp3000 | AStorm, I'd worry about corruption more with those | 02:03 |
| krzysz00 | i really would like the inagemagick utils under scratchbox for a | 02:03 |
| krzysz00 | makefile that srinks images | 02:03 |
| AStorm | sp3000, there's ECC | 02:03 |
| AStorm | krzysz00, great. build them? | 02:03 |
| sp3000 | AStorm: for tone-deaf reproduction of music? dunno :P | 02:04 |
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| lardman | ot, but does anyone know if it's possible to make the taskbar in Gnome have 2 rows? | 02:04 |
| AStorm | why reproduce when you can copy? | 02:04 |
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| AStorm | lardman, not w/o a code hack I think | 02:05 |
| lardman | AStorm: cool, I'll stop wasting time looking then :) | 02:05 |
| lardman | thanks | 02:05 |
| zakkm | two rows? | 02:05 |
| javispedro | AStorm, at this moment i don't know if fuse filesystems are cached by the kernel in the usual way | 02:05 |
| zakkm | you can enlarge it? if that helps | 02:05 |
| javispedro | but I know http://freshmeat.net/projects/fuse-cache/ | 02:05 |
| zakkm | or login as root and run gnome-panel? :P | 02:06 |
| zakkm | which will give you root's gnome-panel settings :P | 02:06 |
| sp3000 | AStorm: word-of-mouth only does lossy analog copies, and the output quality is often dubious | 02:06 |
| javispedro | you could modify it to your reqs. | 02:06 |
| AStorm | yeah, fun. as if I had the time to rewrite a filesystem | 02:06 |
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| zakkm | question if you guys dont mind, its came to me | 02:07 |
| lardman | zakkm: I just have too many windows open, not to worry | 02:07 |
| zakkm | if you created a filesystem, could it be reverse engineered to read? | 02:07 |
| zakkm | wouldnt your own private filesystem be the greatest security? | 02:07 |
| zakkm | not encryption? | 02:07 |
| javispedro | security by obscurity only works when not enough eyeballs are present. | 02:07 |
| AStorm | ... | 02:08 |
| jaem_N810 | yep | 02:08 |
| jaem_N810 | also see Schneier's Law | 02:08 |
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| * javispedro goes to wikipedia | 02:08 | |
| javispedro | fwiw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schneier%27s_Law | 02:09 |
| zakkm | i dont get it. | 02:09 |
| AStorm | so, no such FS ready yet? | 02:09 |
| AStorm | that plan 9 fs might be good... if it does local caching | 02:09 |
| javispedro | btw, any reason andrew is not on your list? | 02:10 |
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| AStorm | afs? forgot about it | 02:10 |
| AStorm | never even tried it | 02:10 |
| javispedro | i was planning to try it until I started with nfsv4 | 02:11 |
| AStorm | (note: coda beat me at the config stage once) | 02:11 |
| javispedro | (which should make it into your list too) | 02:11 |
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| lardman | ~lart Makefile syntax | 02:14 |
| * infobot takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking Makefile syntax's head off | 02:14 | |
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| b-man16 | http://goeken.homedns.org/Weather/Magellan3100/Magellan.htm | 02:27 |
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| b-man16 | xD | 02:27 |
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| krzysz00 | hey i think building imagemagick worked | 02:32 |
| krzysz00 | great ideas guys | 02:32 |
| b-man16 | ~burn his Magellan Maestro | 02:33 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over his Magellan Maestro, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 02:33 | |
| b-man16 | :) | 02:33 |
| zerojayPC | A compilin' we will go, a compilin' we will go... hi-ho a merry-o, a compilin' we will goooo... | 02:33 |
| lardman | uurgh, Windows CE | 02:34 |
| lardman | zerojayPC: more RTCOMM plugins? | 02:34 |
| zerojayPC | Yeah, I'm going to try a few Pidgin plugins tonight now that I've got the scratchbox all set up. | 02:35 |
| lardman | cool :) | 02:35 |
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| zerojayPC | There's quite a lot of 3rd party protocol plugins. | 02:35 |
| zerojayPC | Hm. | 02:36 |
| zerojayPC | Pidgin 2.6.1 adds XMPP voice and video. | 02:36 |
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| zerojayPC | That must have just been released. I just downloaded the pidgin source two days ago and it was 2.5.8. | 02:37 |
| zerojayPC | 2.6.0 - 19 August 2009 | 02:38 |
| javispedro | but you'll have hard time adapting it to telephaty-haze I guess | 02:38 |
| javispedro | (i mean the a&v part) | 02:38 |
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| zerojayPC | I won't be. | 02:38 |
| javispedro | :) | 02:38 |
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| lardman | :) | 02:39 |
| lardman | I notice my luck is still holding | 02:39 |
| zerojayPC | Telepathy-haze can handle quite a few different protocols... and the facebook chat is actually a plugin for telepathy-haze. | 02:40 |
| zerojayPC | But some of these other ones will be plugins for libpurple. | 02:41 |
| zerojayPC | So we'll see how it goes. | 02:41 |
| lardman | I was always interested in knowing how that stuff worked, but never got round to looking at it | 02:41 |
| lardman | keep up the good work :) | 02:41 |
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| zerojayPC | I'm not a programmer... I'm just a dude that likes to tinker with stuff and I know how to compile it. ;) | 02:42 |
| javispedro | then you are by all means a programmer... | 02:42 |
| lardman | well that's the first step... :) | 02:42 |
| zerojayPC | lardman: Anything in particular that you're interested in? | 02:42 |
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| zerojayPC | I used to program, but I just don't have the patience for it anymore... family, wife... hard to find the time to really do it for fun. | 02:43 |
| lardman | nah, I was wondering if the location protocol could be added in | 02:43 |
| lardman | just an idle thought | 02:43 |
| lardman | I know that feeling, which is why I'm here at quarter to 1 in the morning | 02:43 |
| zerojayPC | I'm not sure but I think... I think there already is liblocation support somewhere... | 02:43 |
| lardman | but broadcasting the information too? | 02:44 |
| zerojayPC | I think maybe Pidgin already can.. I'll take a look around again. | 02:45 |
| lardman | yeah Pidgin can iirc | 02:45 |
| AStorm | hmm | 02:46 |
| AStorm | seems that 9p will do | 02:46 |
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| AStorm | it could use one more caching mode | 02:46 |
| lardman | 9p? | 02:46 |
| AStorm | plan 9 network filesystem | 02:46 |
| lardman | ah, not money then :) | 02:46 |
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| lardman | ah, too late in the evening to begin debugging DSP tasks | 02:50 |
| lardman | will have to wait for tomorrow | 02:50 |
| AStorm | blah, afs still doesn't do writing. off the list | 02:51 |
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| kfx | you could use nfs like everyone else :V | 02:52 |
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| javispedro | nfs <= 3 over internet is bad idea. | 02:52 |
| javispedro | nfs4 is not what everyone else uses, so far ;) | 02:53 |
| AStorm | kfx, does it cache stuff well? | 02:53 |
| kfx | why? | 02:53 |
| AStorm | esp. not doing idiocy like pulling whole files over the network when blocks are needed | 02:54 |
| AStorm | javispedro, as I said, I can make a VPN if I can't avoid it | 02:55 |
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| derf | afs doesn't do writing? | 02:55 |
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| AStorm | derf, linux driver says so in the readme | 02:56 |
| derf | I wonder what I was using all those years at school, then. | 02:56 |
| derf | Because it sure seemed like afs in Linux. | 02:56 |
| derf | And it wrote just fine. | 02:56 |
| AStorm | likely nfs | 02:56 |
| derf | No, I am quite sure it was not nfs. | 02:57 |
| AStorm | codafs? | 02:57 |
| derf | That wondering was rhetorical. | 02:57 |
| derf | I know for a fact it was afs. | 02:57 |
| derf | It was even connected to the original CMU nodes, though I couldn't write to those. | 02:57 |
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| javispedro | AStorm, nobody uses the builtin linux driver afaik | 02:58 |
| AStorm | ahha | 02:58 |
| AStorm | and I guess the external one is not suitable for / (or anywhere close) | 02:58 |
| javispedro | you want / ?? | 02:59 |
| javispedro | you're pretty much limited to nfs then I believe. | 02:59 |
| javispedro | (you want to boot from it?) | 03:00 |
| derf | on the network is crazy. | 03:00 |
| derf | Err, / on the network is crazy. | 03:00 |
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| AStorm | uh, initramfs? VPN? *caching*? | 03:00 |
| derf | I couldn't stand having /home on the network, much less /. | 03:00 |
| lardman | night chaps | 03:00 |
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| AStorm | did I mention I need caching anyway? | 03:01 |
| AStorm | master-slave consistency would be enough | 03:01 |
| kfx | you probably need to understand that what you're looking for is a streaming media protocol | 03:02 |
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| AStorm | not really, that's not transparent enough | 03:02 |
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| kfx | I'm just saying you're going to have a hard time finding a networked filesystem that behaves the way you're describing | 03:04 |
| AStorm | that does partial file caching and consistency? please | 03:04 |
| AStorm | gfs2 is almost there | 03:04 |
| AStorm | the problem is that it requires same-size volumes | 03:04 |
| AStorm | (it needs 100% backing store coverage) | 03:05 |
| kfx | yeah, I know, I use it | 03:05 |
| kfx | it also requires a fast connection | 03:06 |
| AStorm | doesn't cache stat data? | 03:07 |
| AStorm | ouch! | 03:07 |
| AStorm | I know it tries perfect consistency | 03:07 |
| AStorm | which I don't need ASAP all the time | 03:08 |
| AStorm | codafs might do that, so may afs | 03:10 |
| AStorm | (and maybe 9p) | 03:10 |
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| zerojayPC | Compilation question with Diablo's scratchbox... | 03:43 |
| zerojayPC | Do I really need to install everything to scratchbox, meaning depenencies? | 03:44 |
| zerojayPC | Seperately from outside of it? | 03:44 |
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| zerojayPC | Anyone awake that can help me with some pkg-config stuff? | 03:55 |
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| Macer | wow | 04:16 |
| Macer | still building | 04:17 |
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| xnt14 | hmm | 04:34 |
| xnt14 | Hello XNT, With release 0.6 out the door, it's a good time to check in with you, our loyal Titanium enthusiasts, about charting the road ahead. General availability is around the corner and we'd like to make sure that the features that you want most are prioritized in our development plans for GA and beyond. Help us help you by taking a brief survey that covers the following topics: Titanium Survey * Application Features | 04:34 |
| xnt14 | it mentions maemo.......... | 04:34 |
| xnt14 | err | 04:34 |
| xnt14 | crap........ | 04:35 |
| xnt14 | "# Mobile Phones (Pre, WinMo, Moblin, Symbian, Maemo, Blackberry)" email | 04:35 |
| xnt14 | titanium for maemo? | 04:35 |
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| sarower | Good morning all | 05:13 |
| sarower | Can i use background image in a dialog? | 05:14 |
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| sarower | and customize a button like adding image, changing size and position etc...? | 05:14 |
| sarower | any body please! | 05:14 |
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| sarower | Can i change the background of a dialog by a color or image? | 06:40 |
| sarower | is it possible? | 06:40 |
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| sarower | I have tried by the following: "gtk_widget_modify_bg(dialog, GTK_STATE_NORMAL, color);" | 06:40 |
| sarower | any body? | 06:40 |
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| Luke-Jr | sarower: GTK sucks | 06:42 |
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| sarower | Luke-Jr: GTK sucks? what it is? | 06:56 |
| kfx | sarower: it's religious zealotry | 06:57 |
| sarower | kfx: !! | 06:59 |
| sarower | :) | 06:59 |
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| Luke-Jr | sarower: GTK is what has that function you're trying to use | 07:14 |
| sarower | Luke-Jr: i can not understand you! | 07:15 |
| Luke-Jr | then learn English | 07:17 |
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| esaym153 | Luke-Jr: be nice :) | 07:25 |
| Luke-Jr | nou | 07:25 |
| esaym153 | :( | 07:25 |
| esaym153 | "Then Jesus wept" | 07:25 |
| Luke-Jr | "And, yes," he cried. | 07:26 |
| zakkmm | since when did this channel talk about jesus -.- | 07:27 |
| Luke-Jr | lulz | 07:27 |
| Luke-Jr | esaym153 thinks this is #Jesus | 07:28 |
| zakkmm | this channe | 07:29 |
| zakkmm | eek. accident. | 07:29 |
| sarower | can i change the background of a GtkDialog by color or image? | 07:30 |
| zakkmm | luke-jr; you use mer? | 07:30 |
| Luke-Jr | no | 07:30 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 07:44 |
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| Stskeeps | oilinki: no, just leaked, rumours say sep 2 :P | 07:53 |
| Stskeeps | at least announcement | 07:53 |
| oilinki | Stskeeps: thanks :) | 07:53 |
| oilinki | this says it has tv-out. http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900-en.shtml | 07:55 |
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| oilinki | how about vga-out? so that the n900 could be hooked on projector? | 07:56 |
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| Stskeeps | usb2vga is starting to be more pervasive | 07:56 |
| oilinki | I'm thinking of an scenario of going to a meeting for an presentation. connect n900 to the projector and use wiimote whiteboard for controlling and writing to the whiteboard :) | 07:58 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 07:59 |
| Stskeeps | that requires some degree of calibration and a sensor bar though? ;) | 07:59 |
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| Luke-Jr | oilinki: I, in this scenario, I have a presentation for the conference. Whiteboard, whiteboard), n900, wiimote to connect to the projector: Write Control | 08:01 |
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| slonopotamus | one whiteboard is usually enough, no? | 08:02 |
| oilinki | like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s5EvhHy7eQ working with linux | 08:03 |
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| Stskeeps | morning konttori | 08:07 |
| konttori | morning | 08:07 |
| konttori | sup? | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: do you know if at fremantle releases there'll be CC SA 3.0 theme templates for Fremantle? | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | release, that is | 08:08 |
| konttori | CC SA 3.0? what's that? | 08:08 |
| konttori | there will be theme templates | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | read templates people legally can use to make other themes from ;) | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 08:08 |
| konttori | sure. it's cc licensed | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | right now the situation is a bit murky since not even SDK themes are cc licensed :P | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | but i can understand why now :) | 08:09 |
| konttori | the theme template in sdk is the one which is cc licensed | 08:09 |
| konttori | I have seen the license and based theme maker template on that | 08:09 |
| konttori | and theme maker includes the license as well | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, got a package name? | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | for the template | 08:10 |
| Luke-Jr | http://translationparty.com | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | i might simply have overlooked it | 08:10 |
| konttori | I don't think the themplate has been released | 08:11 |
| konttori | it shows too many details still | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | ah, that explains it :) | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | i'll be eagerly waiting then | 08:12 |
| konttori | this is also the reason I haven't uploaded theme maker yet | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | thanks :) | 08:12 |
| tigert | huomenta konttori | 08:13 |
| tigert | and others | 08:13 |
| konttori | tigert: huomenta | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | morning tigert | 08:13 |
| konttori | tigert: you haven't published the theme template yet, right? | 08:14 |
| Myrtti | ohai all | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | morn Myrtti | 08:19 |
| tigert | no | 08:20 |
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| tigert | i am not working on it currently really | 08:20 |
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| tigert | konttori: at work yet? | 08:25 |
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| wiretapped | konttori: is hildon-theme-tools being maintained also? | 08:40 |
| konttori | it is | 08:40 |
| wiretapped | excellent | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | these are published already i think | 08:40 |
| wiretapped | thanks again for thememaker btw | 08:40 |
| wiretapped | but these days i prefer using dpkg-buildpackage :) | 08:41 |
| zerojayPC | Heh... | 08:43 |
| zerojayPC | I just tweeted through RTCOMM. | 08:43 |
| zerojayPC | Who needs Mauku? lol | 08:43 |
| zerojayPC | :D :D :D | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | morning zerojayPC | 08:43 |
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| zerojayPC | Morning sir. well... almost 2am here. | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | mm, 7:46am here | 08:45 |
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| zerojayPC | I really thought the Twitter plugin I plopped into RTCOMM wasn't working... but I went to play some games and found it was suddenly online and working. :) | 08:48 |
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| Stskeeps | zerojayPC: Harmattan can only be saner from what i hear :) | 08:48 |
| zerojayPC | I just was shocked that people even heard about it. | 08:48 |
| zerojayPC | Outside of us, obviously. | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | zerojayPC: it has been announced within circles and rumour sites (there was a screenshot) | 08:49 |
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| Stskeeps | http://blueheaven.ws/2009/08/19/alwaysinnovating-touchbook-photo-gallery/ | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | ^ Macer | 08:49 |
| zerojayPC | Yeah, I know... but even some friends of mine that know nothing about the tablets aside from the fact that I had one were talking about it at work today and asking to see my N810. | 08:49 |
| zerojayPC | All three of them considering dropping iphones for it. | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | they probably read engadget | 08:50 |
| zerojayPC | likely | 08:50 |
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| zerojayPC | Quim just retweeted my RTCOMM test tweet. lol | 08:55 |
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| Stskeeps | instant fame ;) | 08:57 |
| zerojayPC | The way the plugin works is when you come online on Twitter, it just sends you a chat request. A window opens with a bunch of recent tweets. | 08:57 |
| zerojayPC | If you say anything in the chat, it's turned into a tweet, | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | not bad | 08:57 |
| zerojayPC | And the cool thing about this is that as long as you have the window open, you get new tweet notifications for free. | 08:58 |
| zerojayPC | As in, I didn't need to do anything. | 08:58 |
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| zerojayPC | Come again? | 09:02 |
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| StsN810 | luke-jr's high. and using translationparty.com | 09:06 |
| Luke-Jr | :D | 09:06 |
| zerojayPC | hah'[ | 09:07 |
| zerojayPC | When I add new icons to the default icon theme, what do I have to do to make it work correctly? Recache? | 09:07 |
| zerojayPC | Reboot? | 09:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor | 09:08 |
| zerojayPC | thank you very much. | 09:09 |
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| Luke-Jr | zerojayPC: Right, a new icon, the default icon theme, and add me, I do I need? Recache? | 09:09 |
| zerojayPC | Luke-Jr: Yes, I very much think need more vodka, comrade, da da da! | 09:10 |
| zerojayPC | qwerty12_N810: Worked like a charm... can see the nice little Twitter logo now. :) | 09:11 |
| Luke-Jr | zerojayPC: Yes, I think my brother DADADA lots of vodka! | 09:11 |
| zerojayPC | Oh, and myspace too. Too bad it's not working yet. | 09:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojayPC: Awesome :) | 09:12 |
| sarower | Can i change the background of a dialog by a color or image? | 09:13 |
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| tigert | sarower: why? :) | 09:22 |
| zakkm | in a /bin/sh script.. how do you get two commands to start together? | 09:22 |
| zakkm | && isnt working | 09:22 |
| zakkm | i got fvwm && "new line" nm-applet | 09:22 |
| Luke-Jr | zakkm: pipe you mean? | 09:22 |
| zakkm | and it starts fvwm .. then if i close fvwm .. it starts nm-applet | 09:23 |
| Luke-Jr | oh | 09:23 |
| tigert | zakkm: && is "do this && do this if the previous succeeds" | 09:23 |
| sarower | tigert: I want to change the look of the dialog. | 09:23 |
| zakkm | oh right | 09:23 |
| Luke-Jr | zakkm: & | 09:23 |
| tigert | zakkm: one & | 09:23 |
| zakkm | ohh okayy | 09:23 |
| zakkm | thankk youuu | 09:23 |
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| tigert | & puts whatever to run in the background | 09:23 |
| tigert | sarower: the default, pretty and consistent-with-everything-else look is not good? :) | 09:24 |
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| Luke-Jr | tigert: By default, you must agree with the other methods? ☺ | 09:25 |
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| sarower | tigert: i understand. but there must have some way to change the look | 09:25 |
| tigert | sure | 09:26 |
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| tigert | with custom gtkrc | 09:26 |
| tigert | you can put a color there, or a bitmap | 09:26 |
| tigert | either is possible | 09:26 |
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| RST38h | ehlo all | 09:40 |
| Proteous | ehlo RST38h | 09:42 |
| RST38h | how are things? first wave of mass merriment passed? | 09:43 |
| Proteous | mass merriment comes in waves? | 09:43 |
| Proteous | I only get the rip tide version | 09:43 |
| Proteous | :/ | 09:43 |
| Proteous | heh | 09:43 |
| RST38h | hehe | 09:44 |
| RST38h | Angels we have heard on high / Teeell us go out and buy!!! | 09:45 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Devils! Rob Eldar of his NXX and give it to me! | 09:45 |
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| * RST38h and wazd tried | 09:46 | |
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| RST38h | don't panic, base8 is just like base10 really, if you are missing two fingers | 09:50 |
| * RST38h forgot how hilarious Tom Lehrer was | 09:51 | |
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| RST38h | ok, official news are in and they confirm what murtazin says: winmo is dead for now | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | url? | 09:59 |
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| RST38h | the corpse will be reanimated at the end of 2010 | 09:59 |
| jaska | huh | 09:59 |
| RST38h | given their job s | 10:00 |
| RST38h | earches, it may be bsd based | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | FreeBSD with mono on top? :P | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | err, .NET | 10:01 |
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| jaska | dotnetbsd | 10:01 |
| RST38h | ms owns danger now | 10:01 |
| |KaE| | Hi all | 10:01 |
| jaska | winmo dead in what context? | 10:01 |
| Macer | lol | 10:02 |
| RST38h | jaska: terminated at 6.5 in october 6.5, minor touch update in feb 2010, then apparently abandoned | 10:02 |
| Macer | gentoo is going on 24 hrs | 10:02 |
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| Macer | it is on gcc now | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 10:03 |
| RST38h | jaska: version 7 due at the end of 2010, based on different codebase | 10:03 |
| jaska | ahh | 10:03 |
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| Macer | wow | 10:09 |
| Macer | some day it will be done heh | 10:09 |
| RST38h | before after n900 release? | 10:10 |
| Macer | maybe i will do like zakkm said and use the console for everything | 10:10 |
| Macer | RST38h: maybe not haha | 10:10 |
| Macer | i expected it to take this long tho | 10:10 |
| RST38h | just cross compile | 10:11 |
| Macer | was my own fault heh | 10:11 |
| Macer | set up qemu + distcc? | 10:11 |
| Macer | :) | 10:11 |
| Macer | that would be cool | 10:11 |
| RST38h | dunno, i usuallly use host tools | 10:12 |
| RST38h | works for my simple build env | 10:12 |
| Macer | suprised i havent ran into errors | 10:12 |
| Macer | go n810! | 10:12 |
| mavhc | so they're porting windows to ARM? | 10:13 |
| RST38h | who knows | 10:13 |
| Macer | win7 maybe | 10:13 |
| RST38h | my guess they just let danger folks do their thing | 10:13 |
| Macer | win7 is actually fast compared to vista | 10:14 |
| Macer | damn, thought gcc finished :) | 10:15 |
| suihkulokki | I think microsofts idea is that everything will be intel-based so they can make win7-x86 phones in future | 10:15 |
| mavhc | they remembered to optimise win7 | 10:15 |
| Macer | gcc has been going for 4 hrs | 10:15 |
| mavhc | because what I really want in a phone is a built in toaster | 10:15 |
| RST38h | suih: dont bet on it | 10:15 |
| Macer | mavhc: no, they took out sleeping loops | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: i'll be looking forward to that nice burning feeling near my chest then, from the heat generated ;) | 10:15 |
| Macer | they probably stalled vista on purpose | 10:16 |
| mavhc | they wrote vista twice, didn't really finish it the second time, released it anyway | 10:16 |
| Macer | so the next one was faster | 10:16 |
| RST38h | sts: you can feel it right away with toshiba r500 | 10:16 |
| mavhc | x86 chips are just a risc core with an x86 emulator in hardware, just skip the emulator part | 10:17 |
| RST38h | sts: it only runs at 1/3 speed unless you enable full speed ffan | 10:17 |
| |KaE| | Is there emulators for running maemo applications? | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: my next laptop will be ARM. i ssh into machines to do my work anyway | 10:17 |
| Macer | haha | 10:17 |
| mavhc | RST38h: do they call that their "vista mode"? | 10:17 |
| Macer | sue them | 10:17 |
| RST38h | sts: and then it starts making vacuum cleaner noises and vent plasma | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | did anyone see the URL i posted above, that someone actually got a touchbook delivered? | 10:18 |
| Macer | like the woman who spilled cdonalds coffee on herself | 10:18 |
| Macer | and said "it was too hot" | 10:18 |
| mavhc | I've got an arm laptop from 1992 | 10:18 |
| RST38h | macer: sue whom? intel? =) | 10:19 |
| Macer | all of tghem | 10:19 |
| Macer | ms, intel, the phone makker, etc | 10:19 |
| Macer | someone will pay to prevent bad pr | 10:20 |
| zakkm | Macer, you should know better than do what i suggest :D | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | i (thank god) live in a country with a sane judicial system | 10:20 |
| Macer | zakkm: lol | 10:20 |
| RST38h | next time i will check the laptop out first, like that monkey from a joke | 10:20 |
| Macer | zakkm: dude, gcc is going on build hour 5 | 10:20 |
| zakkm | im not surprised :P | 10:21 |
| mavhc | I got the usb gender changer thing and plugged in a keyboard, are there keyboard shortcuts for stuff? | 10:21 |
| Macer | me too | 10:21 |
| zakkm | even for desktop , i would try to do updates overnight | 10:21 |
| Macer | i saw it in the list | 10:21 |
| zakkm | and use it by day | 10:21 |
| Macer | and left it alone haha | 10:21 |
| zakkm | why you updating gcc? | 10:21 |
| RST38h | anyways, back to getting sunstroke | 10:22 |
| Macer | zakkm: had to update world and system to fix something | 10:22 |
| Macer | gcc was part of world | 10:22 |
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| Macer | and used -u | 10:22 |
| zakkm | whyyd you update world? | 10:22 |
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| Macer | because linuxutils and e2fsprogs | 10:23 |
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| zakkm | you reecompile world.. not update it :P | 10:23 |
| Macer | screwed up fsck | 10:23 |
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| Macer | in gentoo recompile = update | 10:23 |
| Macer | plus i messed up | 10:23 |
| zakkm | no | 10:23 |
| Macer | used the unstable branch when i started | 10:23 |
| zakkm | im mostly sure anyways | 10:24 |
| Macer | then moved to stable | 10:24 |
| zakkm | if you break something you dont do -u | 10:24 |
| Macer | zakkm: i had to degrade pkgs haaha | 10:24 |
| zakkm | i feel sorry for you :) | 10:25 |
| zakkm | oo yeah did i tell you someone offered to buy my nokia from craigslist? | 10:25 |
| Macer | $100? | 10:25 |
| zakkm | $145 - n800 | 10:25 |
| zakkm | -.- | 10:25 |
| Macer | i dont trust cl | 10:25 |
| zakkm | canadian though. | 10:25 |
| zakkm | lol im selling not buying ;p | 10:25 |
| Macer | murderers | 10:26 |
| zakkm | lol | 10:26 |
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| zakkm | one time i was buying webcam , and i went to work and i replied asking where abouts they are | 10:26 |
| Macer | they are going t lure you somewhere | 10:26 |
| Macer | and rape you | 10:26 |
| zakkm | came back fro mwork at like 10;30, checked email.. they were like we live at ____ | 10:26 |
| mavhc | I find it helpful that all the murders are forced to use cl, so we know other services are safe now | 10:26 |
| zakkm | it was across the street from my house | 10:26 |
| zakkm | literaly | 10:26 |
| Macer | hahhahaah | 10:26 |
| Macer | woah | 10:26 |
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| zakkm | so i went in my workclothes im like i live there *point at house with lights on* | 10:26 |
| Macer | weird | 10:26 |
| zakkm | thats amazing ;p residental too | 10:27 |
| Macer | mavhc: theyre not | 10:27 |
| Macer | lol | 10:27 |
| mavhc | so now they can film your house with your own webcam | 10:27 |
| Macer | i thought cl prostitution was funny | 10:27 |
| Macer | a netwhore | 10:27 |
| zakkm | film my house with my own webcam? | 10:27 |
| zakkm | maybe if it was a surveilence camera ;p | 10:27 |
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| zakkm | and they can view it anyways at most sites :) | 10:28 |
| zakkm | kidding | 10:28 |
| Macer | zakkm: naw, only for the podcasted rapimg | 10:28 |
| Macer | that would suck | 10:28 |
| Macer | podcasted rape victim recorded with own webcam | 10:29 |
| Macer | front page gaga | 10:29 |
| Macer | haha too, bbl | 10:29 |
| Macer | going to watch eureka | 10:29 |
| Myrtti | ugh | 10:29 |
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| zakkm | Macer, i was more referring to R rated sites not podcast :P | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | http://dilbert.com/fast <- heh :) | 10:31 |
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| zakkm | Stskeeps, hah nice | 10:32 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:32 |
| X-Fade | Morning | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | morning Jaffa, X-Fade | 10:32 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Did the delta get applied, btw? If so, I can build up a list of tmo profiles for Reggie to email... | 10:32 |
| Jaffa | s/delta/delta & auto-match/ | 10:32 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: X-Fade: Did the delta & auto-match get applied, btw? If so, I can build up a list of tmo profiles for Reggie to email... | 10:32 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: The ones from last week? Yes, same day. | 10:33 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: Ah, cool. Can you give me a dump of all the bound tmo profile URLs then, please? | 10:33 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Follow #maemork ;) | 10:33 |
| timeless_mbp | gah, my client got confused | 10:33 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa / X-Fade , would it be worth mentioning http://maemo.org/profile/list/ in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=313272 ? | 10:33 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: I do, but I've no Qaiku client ;-p | 10:34 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Well Mauku 2.0 on Maemo 5 will solve that problem ;) | 10:34 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 10:34 | |
| * timeless_mbp kicks profile/list | 10:34 | |
| Myrtti | "ever heard of RSS" | 10:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: are you familiar w/ http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/maemo-pc-connectivity/ ? | 10:36 |
| Myrtti | "I herd you liek maemo so we put an RSS in your maemo so you can watch maemo being done while you use maemo" | 10:36 |
| timeless_mbp | Myrtti: where's that from? | 10:36 |
| Myrtti | timeless_mbp: I heard you like recursion | 10:36 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: I'm aware of it; had it installed; saw what it did. | 10:37 |
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| Myrtti | http://www.flickr.com/photos/soawesomeman/3122878080/ | 10:37 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: I think I then uninstalled it | 10:37 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: did you consider telling the author that his strings don't fit? | 10:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | there are screen shots on the web showing htat | 10:37 |
| timeless_mbp | s/htat/that/ | 10:37 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: there are screen shots on the web showing that | 10:37 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: i think it would be IDE integration you'd have to hunt down for that | 10:38 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Are there? I didn't notice, but I didn't use it much since it was a) undocumented and b) didn't seem to help me much with anything | 10:38 |
| Myrtti | anyway, no excuses: http://www.qaiku.com/feeds/channels/maemork | 10:38 |
| Jaffa | Myrtti: Anyway, that's Atom - Qaiku doesn't provide an *RSS* feed (I know, cos I have to process that Atom feed into RSS using Yahoo! Pipes to get it included on the sprint page ;-p) | 10:39 |
| Myrtti | Jaffa: *shrug* google reader etc. | 10:39 |
| Myrtti | I'm too sick to care atm | 10:40 |
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| Jaffa | Myrtti: I use NetVibes. | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | what was the conclusion on the "source package can't build binary package that doesn't have part of the source package name in it" discussion? :P | 10:41 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: I dunno, I think it didn't come to a conclusion. One for jeremiah to raise on maemo-developers, perhaps? | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | it'll be an interesting one for sure | 10:42 |
| timeless_mbp | eww | 10:42 |
| timeless_mbp | so simply put | 10:42 |
| timeless_mbp | mozilla produces a bunch of packages (nspr, nss) from one binary | 10:42 |
| timeless_mbp | err source | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | especially since anyone with a clue can look at 'Source: ' header of a binary package | 10:42 |
| timeless_mbp | requiring all packages to have a matching name isn't acceptable | 10:42 |
| X-Fade | It wasn't about source packages. | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: well, that binary packages that has names that doesn't match the source package in some way? :P | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | i should look up the convo and get my facts straight first, sec :P | 10:44 |
| zerojayPC | Qaiku.. that's something I should add... | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | 'Make sure the name of the binary package that gets built is the same as the package name. i.e. a package called foo should build a binary called foo, not bar. | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | (from http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing) | 10:45 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: It is in your mail. | 10:45 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: ta | 10:45 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Well it is a wiki ;) | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: ah, policy change by editing it during the night where noone notices? ;) | 10:46 |
| X-Fade | None of Jeremiah's checks have been implemented yet. | 10:47 |
| X-Fade | * are active | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* better to stop this particular one before it harms things :) | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if we can put normal maemo SDK packages through similar checks :P | 10:47 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=313066&postcount=65 | 10:48 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah, except that argument doesn't make much sense.. multiple binary packages has nothing to deal with virtual packages per se :P | 10:49 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: I agree. | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | what i do protest a bit is the policy to implement a policy for the sole reason of clarity, for purpose of finding a source package. that's already done through apt-get source <binary name> as far as i remember :) | 10:51 |
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| X-Fade | Yes, I don't see any problems in that. | 10:52 |
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| zerojayPC | http://www.flickr.com/photos/zerojay/3839440552/ <-- My goal is to make that menu take up the full screen. What do you think? Not bad so far, eh? ;) | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | not bad | 10:53 |
| zerojayPC | Facebook, Twitter and Identi.ca added. | 10:53 |
| zerojayPC | More on the way, hopefully. | 10:53 |
| zakkm | zerojayPC, would you happen to know how to "hide offline users" when you goto "start new chat"? | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | soon adultfriendfinder and other dubious chat places ;P | 10:54 |
| zerojayPC | lol | 10:55 |
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| zerojayPC | zakkm: It already reorders the list so all offline people are at the bottom. | 10:55 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps, dont give zerojayPC any ideas :P | 10:55 |
| zakkm | zerojayPC, yeah but by the fact it loads, it seems like a cpu waste to me | 10:55 |
| zakkm | i have like 100s of contacts | 10:55 |
| zerojayPC | Me too. | 10:55 |
| zerojayPC | Just takes a few seconds. | 10:55 |
| zakkm | would be alot quicker without though | 10:56 |
| zakkm | and such a cpu spike | 10:56 |
| zakkm | theres no point for it | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: http://jkkmobile.blogspot.com/2009/08/always-innovating-touch-book-reaching.html | 10:56 |
| zerojayPC | Heh.. you say "CPU spike" like it really matters. :) | 10:56 |
| zerojayPC | The CPU spike you see won't be stopped by hiding offline users anyways. | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: http://twitter.com/sfeger as well | 10:57 |
| zerojayPC | It has to know who is online and offline first before it decides which to show and hide, correct? | 10:57 |
| zerojayPC | Therefore, CPU spike. | 10:58 |
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| zakkm | only if it gets that far | 10:58 |
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| zakkm | and why does it reload the list everytime, you do start new chat? | 10:58 |
| zakkm | doesnt it already know whos on and off | 10:58 |
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| zerojayPC | Yes and that pause is getting that list. | 10:59 |
| * Stskeeps doesn't like that fact that TB is top-heavy | 10:59 | |
| timeless_mbp | tb? | 10:59 |
| zerojayPC | It doesn't recheck who is online and offline on each server when you start it. | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | touchbook | 10:59 |
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| Stskeeps | see urls just before | 10:59 |
| zerojayPC | It's just taking it from the list it already has, it seems. | 10:59 |
| zakkm | zerojayPC, exactly so it knows who is offline before "start new chat" is started | 10:59 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: wow | 11:00 |
| Macer | i feel bad for talking shit now haha | 11:00 |
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| Macer | can't wait to run mer on it! | 11:00 |
| Macer | lol | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: that thing really needs a kickstand or something to balance it | 11:01 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders what a touchbook is | 11:01 | |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: think mobile beagleboard .. | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 11:01 |
| zakkm | timeless_mbp, lame attempt at a ARM tablet | 11:01 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: lol | 11:01 |
| zakkm | but as a laptop tablet.. not a MID/nokia | 11:01 |
| zerojayPC | zakkm: And to know, it reads the list from RAM... which takes a while... offline or not. | 11:01 |
| Macer | maybe i can duct tape a balance weight on the kb ;) | 11:01 |
| Macer | if i ever get mine | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: http://gizmodo.com/5162584/first-hands-on-touch-book-is-part+netbook-part+tablet (old mobo) | 11:02 |
| zerojayPC | zakkm: It would take the same amount of time regardless of if offline users were shown or not. | 11:02 |
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| zakkm | "10 to 15 hour battery life" | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | probably more with a proper OS on it | 11:03 |
| zakkm | Macer, help me with keyboard in Mer FVWM :) please | 11:03 |
| Macer | lol | 11:03 |
| Macer | i'm not using mer | 11:03 |
| Macer | i'm using gentoo :-P | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | how's that going for you so far? | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:04 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: that was an old article | 11:04 |
| Macer | plus judging by the pics... :) | 11:04 |
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| Stskeeps | Macer: the one i gave timeless, yes, but the urls above | 11:05 |
| Macer | yeah | 11:05 |
| Macer | the first ones getting it | 11:05 |
| Macer | that is a relief | 11:05 |
| Macer | haha | 11:05 |
| Macer | considering it has been a month | 11:05 |
| Macer | since they "started shipping the first batch" | 11:05 |
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| Stskeeps | i really need a new laptop | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | the curse of having had a work laptop which i have to hand back soon, heh | 11:05 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 11:06 |
| zerojayPC | Hmm.. Skype would be interesting... even though you'll have to keep Skype actually open.. would be nice to have my Skype friends on the same Contacts list though. | 11:06 |
| timeless_mbp | i should take my laptop to work | 11:06 |
| mavhc | they should have weights to attach to the keyboard, like those stupid gamer mice | 11:06 |
| timeless_mbp | so that it isn't here for my guests to trip over | 11:06 |
| timeless_mbp | gamer mice? | 11:06 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: thanks | 11:09 |
| Macer | now i'm excited | 11:09 |
| Macer | and gentoo was good until yesterday when i had to rebuild everything | 11:10 |
| Macer | lol | 11:10 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, the logitech g5 has weights | 11:10 |
| timeless_mbp | zerojayPC: on which platform? | 11:11 |
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| zerojayPC | timeless_mbp: Tablets. | 11:13 |
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| talig | does anyone have a clue what this means: "python[4714]: GLIB ERROR ** gtk - file gtkimsage.: line 1709 (gtk_image)expose): should not be reached "? | 11:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | heh | 11:13 |
| talig | In terms of - how to I fix it, if at all possible? | 11:13 |
| timeless_mbp | get a testcase and file a bug | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | talig: i've seen similar problems in Mer though | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | talig: fremantle SDK beta2? | 11:14 |
| talig | Stskeeps: No, Maemo Diablo. | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | hm, ok | 11:14 |
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| Stskeeps | we had it in Mer application manager because bluetooth interface wasn't there O_o | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | or something equally odd | 11:15 |
| talig | timeless_mbp: It crashed overnight, I'm not sure I can create a test case. The application runs fine for at least an hour, and I can't tell when it crashed so :/ | 11:15 |
| timeless_mbp | talig: so.... | 11:15 |
| X-Fade | Cripes, I'm debugging promotion for bluemaemo and notice that it pulls in 50!! packages on promotion ;) | 11:15 |
| timeless_mbp | you should be able to 1. enable core dumps | 11:15 |
| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: debugging why bluemaemo didn't install was not fun | 11:16 |
| X-Fade | No wonder why checking the dependencies of these dependencies took a while :) | 11:16 |
| talig | Stskeeps: Bizarre. Well, thanks anyways | 11:16 |
| kynde | Hey guys, what other nXXX like linux capable tablets are there? (by tablets I mean touchscreen based handhelds that can run linux) | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | kynde: freerunner, touchbook, smartq5/7 | 11:19 |
| Macer | lol | 11:19 |
| Corsac | touchbook \o/ | 11:19 |
| Macer | eureka is a riot | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | and some other tablets which needs a hack | 11:19 |
| kynde | cheers, I'll look into those. We're having a hard time finding N810s (and N800's) by the hundreds. | 11:20 |
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| Stskeeps | can i ask what you plan to be doing? | 11:21 |
| X-Fade | kynde: Did you try to contact Nokia directly? | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | out of curiousity | 11:21 |
| kynde | Yes, we are contacting Nokia, not just me, I'm a mere coder. | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | i'm sure they have some N810W's in stock ;) | 11:22 |
| timeless_mbp | talig: http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/search?string=should+not+be+reached&find=glib%2Fgmessages | 11:22 |
| timeless_mbp | that's the general thing you hit | 11:22 |
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| Macer | well | 11:23 |
| Macer | if my touch book makes it here | 11:23 |
| kynde | Stskeeps: sure, we're planning on using them as remote controllers of sorts for slot machines. we're alread in field trials and they look promising enough that we're starting look for relevant quantities of said devices. | 11:23 |
| Macer | then this gentoo stuff will be rather moot | 11:23 |
| Macer | although i can't shove teh touch book into my pocket haha | 11:23 |
| Macer | what is it? 9"? :) that would be awkward | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: it's a pocket computer for fat people ;) | 11:24 |
| Macer | haha | 11:24 |
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| Macer | i am still going to try to get an office app in gentoo going | 11:24 |
| Macer | and cups :) | 11:24 |
| kynde | It's just that N900 is expected to be quite a bit more expensive and new capabilities that it will have, although interesting to me as developer, will not be useful for said use. | 11:24 |
| Macer | that will be awesome | 11:24 |
| Macer | and make it so i don't have to carry a laptop when i have to go back for classes | 11:24 |
| Macer | maybe i'll scan my books too | 11:24 |
| Macer | and use it for that | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | talig: http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/ident?i=g_assert_not_reached&filter=gtkimage | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | lets you see where that would come from | 11:25 |
| kynde | And obviously we'll be needing backup plans incase getting n810s or n800s about a thousand or so proves out to be impossible. | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | kynde: look into the Q5's then if you don't need a keyboard, cheap, hackable | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/gtk+2.0-2.10.12/gtk/gtkimage.c?mark=1709#1516 | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | indicates the thing that triggered it | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | talig: from there, the reason for the problem is reasonably clear :) | 11:26 |
| zakkm | kynde, why would you need several thousand? | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | kynde: but N800/n810 if you want quality | 11:26 |
| talig | timeless_mbp: Thanks, I'll have a loog | 11:26 |
| talig | look | 11:26 |
| timeless_mbp | talig: n.b., i don't know anything about glib/gtk, all i did was use the cross reference | 11:26 |
| timeless_mbp | it's a fairly easy process | 11:26 |
| kynde | Stskeeps: interesting. All we need is wlan, hopefully somewhat small in size, touchscreen and linux (and not much from it, just that the basic hw works. otherwise we're used to making embedded linux devices) | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | i did guide mxr but hinting about which paths to use (find in glib, filter in gtkimage) | 11:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | the filter is obvious based on the warning itself | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | guessing that the text came from glib is something you'll learn | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | i actually tried find in gtk before glib | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | kynde: k, look in the direction of Q5 then | 11:28 |
| zakkm | kynde, whats wrong with ipod touch + making a app for it? :P | 11:28 |
| zakkm | have ssh capabilities, openssh in and out and such | 11:28 |
| Macer | does a q7 have a keyboard or something? | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | no, but it has it's size going for it | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | and usb host | 11:29 |
| kynde | We've toyed around with ipods, but that was a good while ago. At that time the wlan had to be plugged in through a card and we had some issues with that... | 11:29 |
| zakkm | kynde: new ipod touch? | 11:30 |
| kynde | Sorry, that was about ipaqs. | 11:30 |
| kynde | zakkm: ipods don't run linux afaik | 11:30 |
| Macer | well | 11:30 |
| zakkm | ipod touch, nice powerful , kind of cheap, good speed | 11:30 |
| zakkm | yeah they do. | 11:30 |
| Macer | i'll be damned | 11:30 |
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| zakkm | well | 11:30 |
| Macer | people really did get touch books | 11:30 |
| Macer | lol | 11:30 |
| zakkm | older ones did, newer ones not so much | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | touch books are officially not vaporware | 11:31 |
| Macer | anybody start getting pandoras too? :) | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | like pandora ;p | 11:31 |
| zakkm | but it has alot of linux apps in it already | 11:31 |
| Macer | hahaha | 11:31 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: yeah. i figure if touch book can do it in like 5 months | 11:31 |
| Macer | shuldn't pandora have been able to ship | 11:31 |
| kynde | oh they do, indeed, I'll be damned. | 11:31 |
| Macer | in over a year | 11:31 |
| Macer | then again though. isn't the pandora being marketed as a "game system" ? | 11:31 |
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| zakkm | kynde, can install openssh on it, for ssh'ing.. can install terminal. . | 11:31 |
| Macer | like a portable gaming system | 11:32 |
| kynde | zakkm: not looking into "older ones", because we'd probably be facing similar acquisition difficulties (or worse) that we're now having with n8X0 | 11:32 |
| Macer | fail :) | 11:32 |
| zakkm | kynde, noonono older ones didnt have wifi or internet.. but they had linux :P hah | 11:32 |
| zakkm | kynde, but newer ones dont have linux, but still very good | 11:32 |
| mavhc | shipping 100 of your product is easier than shipping 10000 | 11:32 |
| kynde | right, so I guess it's a no go then. I'll look into the forementioned Q5 then... | 11:32 |
| zakkm | code in C , draw a UI , and your done | 11:32 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: well. i'll take pics and stuff of my tb if i ever get it :) | 11:33 |
| zakkm | no QT / GTK .. but full coding should be right | 11:33 |
| Macer | lol | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: what i really want is a copy of xorg.conf, ls -lR /lib/modules, and a dmesg | 11:33 |
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| Macer | that too | 11:33 |
| Macer | ;) | 11:33 |
| Macer | haha but you can problably get that from the internets soon | 11:33 |
| Macer | but if you can't find one before i get mine i'll send you the info | 11:34 |
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| kynde | zakkm: we'll a linux kernel is a must for us as is a solid wlan. libs aren't an issue, assuming it has some sensible architecture. | 11:37 |
| timeless_mbp | mobile linux and sensible architecture | 11:37 |
| timeless_mbp | i hope you understand that you are asking too much by a number of orders of magnitude :) | 11:37 |
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| kynde | Stskeeps: you happen to know wether the Q5 has resistive or capacitive touchscreen? | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | kynde: resistive | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | just like n800/n810 | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | kynde: keep in mind this one will need a bit of leg work - it's fairly easy to make it boot any linux OS for armel (we have bootloader + kernel sources for it, and some technical details) | 11:42 |
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| kynde | Gotta order some for testing. If we can get kernel, wlan, X (or even framebuffer) and touchscreen working we'd be home free. Even now with n810 we skip all hildon stuff alltogether and use a custom 2D engine (sdl + efficient dirtybuffering). | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | dealextreme has them for 150 usd | 11:45 |
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| kynde | You happen to know of any european retailers? | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | mm, not for the q5, only for q7 | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | i got mine directly from the company that makes them so : | 11:48 |
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| kynde | what price range is that then? | 11:49 |
| kynde | The essential difference between the two is size, right? Wouldn't hurt us. :) | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, and usb host and no bluetooth except for dongle | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | and extra buttons | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, similar | 11:50 |
| kynde | Seems to be 216 usd in dealextreme. One of each then, I guess. | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | http://eshopen.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=14&products_id=71 is one company (comes with EU warranty), offices closed until aug 30 | 11:51 |
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| Stskeeps | (i got my freerunner from them donated, so they seem sane :P) | 11:51 |
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| Macer | wonder if the tb comes with bt | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | dongle based | 11:53 |
| Macer | i know it has "internal" usb ports | 11:53 |
| Macer | oh | 11:53 |
| Macer | i have a dongle ready then ;) | 11:53 |
| Macer | i have a class 1 dongle that is really small | 11:53 |
| Macer | that's all i'll need for bt anyways | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | kynde: ignore microSD spec, it's SD | 11:53 |
| Macer | i don't see a need to connect much bt to it | 11:53 |
| Macer | or does it come with the dongle? | 11:53 |
| kynde | fine. 4500mAh ? geez.. | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | kynde: darn nice battery :P | 11:54 |
| Macer | tb is supposed to have 15 hours of battery life | 11:54 |
| Macer | if you have the kb attached | 11:54 |
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| kynde | event the q5 has 2000mAh. I'm impressed. | 11:54 |
| Macer | i guess that's the weight you were talking about Stskeeps | 11:54 |
| Macer | ;) | 11:54 |
| Macer | instead of a kick stand they used a huge battery haha | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | kynde: people use it with otg and usb gprs modem, heh | 11:54 |
| kynde | And we get about 48h already with the n810.. (took a bit of work though with screen dimming, tcp keepalives only 15s apart, application sleeping, constant sound device closing when not in use etc) | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | should be possible with q5/q7 too | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | remembered to enable PSM? | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | that helps a lot :P | 11:57 |
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| lcuk | jeremiah, theres a package in debian that i need. its been built locally but i dont know your normal procedures for just bringing in a package | 12:00 |
| kynde | psm ? | 12:00 |
| lcuk | i dont think it needs changes for maemo so its not really a maintainer task perse, is this a job for your package superman tool thingy | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | ~wifi-psm , kynde | 12:01 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Just upload it? | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | kynde: http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/packages/main/dsme-tools/usr/sbin/wifi_powersave.py is something that implements something like it | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | ~wifi-psm | 12:01 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, wifi-psm is http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) | 12:01 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, i thought i had to change all the maintainer stuff | 12:03 |
| lcuk | its not my dll | 12:03 |
| lcuk | its just standard debian :) | 12:03 |
| kynde | Will look into that. But since it runs about 60 hours with the tcp connections idling (and responsive within a couple hounder milliseconds during sleeping) I'm assuming it has to be enabled. | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 12:04 |
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| Macer | well | 12:05 |
| Macer | that's kind of a bitch | 12:05 |
| Macer | i ordered a 4GB microsd + adapter set for $11 | 12:06 |
| Macer | adn the 4G microsd that came with it seems to be dead | 12:06 |
| Macer | after like a week and a half :) | 12:06 |
| Macer | go figure | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | you killed your microsd with gentoo? | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:06 |
| Macer | no | 12:07 |
| Macer | the 4G i kept in my G1 | 12:07 |
| Macer | because it was a c6 | 12:07 |
| Macer | and i put my c4 8G that i had in the phone in a keychain adapter | 12:07 |
| Macer | and keep encrypted docs on it :) | 12:07 |
| Macer | pay stubs and shit like that in case i need them | 12:08 |
| Macer | wow. yeah . looks like it's dead | 12:08 |
| Macer | i honestly only bought it for its adapters :) | 12:08 |
| Macer | it was like $15 after shipping but had all the adapters i would ever need because i needed a microsd to mini for the n810 | 12:09 |
| Macer | guess you get what you pay for | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | i'm so looking forward to the friggen microsd in rx-51 | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | and USB charging, too | 12:10 |
| Macer | haha | 12:10 |
| Macer | usb charging is nice | 12:10 |
| Macer | wtf is up with nokia and that tiny charging hole? | 12:10 |
| Macer | ever break a charger? :) | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | no, i have broken the charger plug inside the device | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | that was interesting to fix | 12:11 |
| Macer | Aug 20 04:09:13 cube kernel: [287422.359804] Dev sdb: unable to read RDB block 0 | 12:11 |
| Macer | Aug 20 04:09:13 cube kernel: [287422.359844] unable to read partition table | 12:11 |
| Macer | wow | 12:11 |
| linuxeventually | Usb charging is nice. I have a cheap nokia=>usb adapter that is unreliable | 12:11 |
| Macer | what a piece of crap :) | 12:11 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: not the one i sent you ? | 12:12 |
| Macer | the one with the scrolling screen right? :) | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | no, the n810 nokia donated | 12:12 |
| Macer | oooh | 12:12 |
| Macer | haha | 12:12 |
| linuxeventually | But my friend with a n97 is annoyed that there is only one usb port so it's charging OR device/cable | 12:12 |
| Macer | you almost made me shed a tear | 12:12 |
| Macer | i kept good care of that n800 ;) | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: i had to steal a charger plug from the 770 | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | they're easily replacable once you have one and a torx screwdriver | 12:12 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: honestly. give up on the n770s | 12:12 |
| Macer | ;) | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: mine WSODed | 12:12 |
| Macer | i mean i'm all for supporting old hardware | 12:12 |
| Macer | but an n770 would be like.. using an atari nowadays | 12:13 |
| Macer | holding on for too long is not a good thing | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: i'm inclined to agree | 12:13 |
| Macer | remember that after your divorce :) haha | 12:13 |
| Macer | but the 770 is just too old. the n8x0s still have a bit of life in them left | 12:14 |
| Macer | i'd give them another year or 2 before htey are completely obsolete also | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | 770 actually will have a revival in 0.17 probably, heh | 12:14 |
| Macer | maybe 3 if mer can get good office apps and printing supportr on them | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | we have wifi working againj | 12:14 |
| Macer | i wish i could say that's a good thing ;) | 12:15 |
| Macer | seems to pull devs off the better devices | 12:15 |
| Macer | heh.. but i guess n770s are important to the eastern euro market :-D | 12:15 |
| Macer | miami wice! NEW #1 SHOW!! | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | actually it's mostly americans having 770s | 12:16 |
| Macer | really? | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | i know very few 770 users in europe | 12:16 |
| Macer | i have honestly never seen an n770 | 12:16 |
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| Macer | damn. this sd is done | 12:16 |
| Macer | guess i have to put my slower 8G back in | 12:16 |
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| Macer | i should have just gotten 2 16G c6 mSDs when i had the chance | 12:17 |
| Macer | ah well. i'm going to get some breakfast | 12:17 |
| Macer | take care | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: am i missing anything if http://maemo.org/news//planet-maemo/category/feed:f795a4d0dabfedf317983d102f26b25c/ has my latest post but planet doesn't? | 12:17 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | (for a while now) | 12:18 |
| kynde | We couldn't even find an n770 here (europe) last winter. And only one n800 from local hw shops for that matters. | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | err.. | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | that datetime is kinda weird | 12:18 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/?org_openpsa_qbpager_net_nehmer_blog_index_page=4 | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: i wonder why blogger sets it's time to when i started writing it | 12:21 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Planet sorts on timestamp. | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | instead of when it was published | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 12:21 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: No ideay. I always publish on the same day as I start, so didn't notice it yet. | 12:22 |
| rkirti | gah. yet another "n900 leak" mail on mailing list | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | rkirti: yes, but in this case it's relevant to developers ;) | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | rkirti: saw my fremantle UI experiments? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=313135&postcount=1081 | 12:24 |
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| rkirti | the last line (in the n900 mail) is the most interesting :) | 12:26 |
| * rkirti calculates the fraction of GSoC money she would end up blowing on the new device | 12:27 | |
| rkirti | Stskeeps: holy shit. This is really cool | 12:27 |
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| Stskeeps | rkirti: i use a large wad of copyrighted material in there, but still :) | 12:28 |
| rkirti | :) | 12:29 |
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| lardman | urgh, segfault :( | 13:43 |
| lcuk | not trying hard enough lardman | 13:45 |
| lcuk | you should be getting kernel panics by now | 13:45 |
| lardman | I've passed my dsp kernel panic stage | 13:45 |
| lardman | how are things? | 13:46 |
| lcuk | good | 13:48 |
| lcuk | im tired | 13:48 |
| lardman | I'm on holiday :) | 13:48 |
| lardman | sort of anyway | 13:48 |
| lcuk | but, a lick of paint helps :) | 13:48 |
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| lardman | hmm, syntax error now | 13:54 |
| lardman | strange | 13:54 |
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| lardman | hmm, it all comes down to a poll error | 13:59 |
| lardman | ~curse dspgateway for being difficult to debug | 13:59 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, dspgateway for being difficult to debug ! | 13:59 |
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| sarower | How i can change the bg color of gtkentry? | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | gah.. now my day just got even worse | 14:17 |
| sarower | None of the following is working: | 14:17 |
| sarower | gtk_widget_modify_base(), gtk_widget_modify_bg(), gtk_widget_modify_fg(). | 14:18 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: what's up? | 14:18 |
| lardman | sarower: no idea, sorry | 14:18 |
| sarower | lardman: Its Ok man! | 14:18 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: my reply good enough? | 14:27 |
| lardman | hmm, rfft() seems to be a cpu cycle blackhole | 14:27 |
| lardman | lcuk: there you go, kernel panic (ARM-side) :) | 14:28 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 14:28 |
| lcuk | ive not seen a kernel panic | 14:29 |
| rkirti | OT : What are the IDEs people here use ? (Anjuta,eclipse being answers for sure, but apart from that ?) | 14:29 |
| lcuk | perhaps i should put some handling in liqbase for drastic errors and have an amiga style guru meditation | 14:29 |
| * mgedmin uses vim | 14:29 | |
| lcuk | rkirti, firm believer in komodo edit | 14:29 |
| rkirti | mgedmin: I am as much of a vim fanatic as you are, but not good enough to make do with vim as ide :-/ | 14:30 |
| lardman | lcuk: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m21864a16 | 14:30 |
| lcuk | i have made it look like visual basic and it handles variable completion and indenting nicely enough even tho its based on file at a time instead of project | 14:30 |
| lcuk | 9the way i use it) | 14:30 |
| lcuk | lardman, why is that weblink blue | 14:31 |
| lardman | no idea | 14:31 |
| rkirti | lcuk: well vim does all that with one key \m/ :) | 14:31 |
| rkirti | I love the indenting it handles with " = " :) | 14:32 |
| lcuk | lardman, now my browser is dead | 14:32 |
| lcuk | you bstrd, you sent me a blue screen of death | 14:32 |
| ShadowJK | evil. | 14:33 |
| lardman | hmm | 14:33 |
| lardman | can you feel your karma leaking away too.... | 14:33 |
| lardman | <maniacal laugh> | 14:33 |
| lcuk | rkirti, http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1329467&cid=28990521 | 14:33 |
| mavhc | do any editors do automatic real time indenting? | 14:34 |
| mgedmin | yes | 14:35 |
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| rkirti | mavhc: not exactly real-time , but I am happy with vim. I can write around as messy as I can get, then I select the whole page and press = and it indents everything in one go | 14:36 |
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| lcuk | mavhc, microsoft.net ide does | 14:36 |
| lcuk | well, until you kill it with fire anyway | 14:37 |
| lcuk | it does it wrong | 14:37 |
| lcuk | and is not changable | 14:37 |
| mavhc | the one in macromedia's stuff was quite good, got a bit slow if you had too big files though | 14:39 |
| inz | rkirti, my vim does indenting as I type | 14:40 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Seems to be :-) | 14:40 |
| * rkirti|afk has a classmate who did a GSoC on vim-anjuta integration :) Sadly, anjuta upstream changed too much since then,Cant wait for the plugin to work again :) | 14:40 | |
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| lardman | hmm, more promising, just an annoying GStreamer assert statement that's failing for some reason | 14:48 |
| VDVsx | X-Fade, ping | 14:50 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx: pong | 14:51 |
| VDVsx | X-Fade, mail reply: you can remove it, I will release another test release soon | 14:52 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx: Ok, thanks. | 14:52 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx: It seems that ecore is a bit in a broken state at the moment, so promotion isn't possible. | 14:53 |
| X-Fade | Need to ping etrunko about that. | 14:53 |
| VDVsx | yeah, I will send to extras-devel only (need more testing also, since I can have bluetooth under sbox :() | 14:53 |
| VDVsx | *can't have bluetooth under sbox | 14:54 |
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| lardman | hmm, possible fft data returned, good sign | 14:57 |
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| lcuk | lardman, i gather it would be possible to use fft style calc to find frequency the accelerometer is being swung at | 15:08 |
| lcuk | i guess something similar is how you owuld do pedometer | 15:08 |
| lardman | yeah, would be possible | 15:09 |
| lcuk | cool | 15:09 |
| lardman | not sure you'd actually bother with fft mind you | 15:09 |
| lcuk | i almost dropped my x41 playing with it | 15:09 |
| lcuk | i wouldnt know how to track a wavy signal and know the frequency of swing to know a step has been made | 15:10 |
| lardman | if you know that someone's walking and the device is in a constant orientation it would be easy enough | 15:10 |
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| lardman | same with the swinging round thing | 15:11 |
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| lcuk | thats not the case though | 15:12 |
| lcuk | with manual pedometer it doesnt care about orientation | 15:12 |
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| lardman | constant being the keyword there | 15:13 |
| lardman | though thinking about it even that wouldn't be needed | 15:13 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, what do you want to do ? :P | 15:15 |
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| lcuk | make sure i dont drop my laptop! | 15:16 |
| lardman | wants to go jogging with his laptop? | 15:16 |
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| lcuk | no | 15:17 |
| lcuk | have you played neverball | 15:17 |
| * lcuk loves that game | 15:17 | |
| VDVsx | lcuk, well, attach it to a good table :) | 15:17 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, yes, I love it too :P | 15:18 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, but its got an accelerometer in it | 15:18 |
| lcuk | and i wannt use it! | 15:18 |
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| lcuk | its a bit unweildy tho lol | 15:18 |
| lcuk | hence me nearly droppin it | 15:18 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, is a Thinkpad ? | 15:19 |
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| lcuk | x41 tabletpc yeah | 15:19 |
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| lcuk | only 12" | 15:19 |
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| * VDVsx won a contest where we built a accelerometer based game controller for OM (video off line now :() | 15:21 | |
| VDVsx | lcuk, grab the accelerometer values and input them as mouse events (for neverball) | 15:21 |
| lcuk | yeah i do | 15:22 |
| VDVsx | depending on the sample rate of the acceleromter and if some filtering is made or not, you may need also a low-pass filter algo | 15:22 |
| lcuk | i was shocked to have accel available | 15:22 |
| lcuk | yeah i know | 15:23 |
| VDVsx | what is the sample rate ? | 15:23 |
| lcuk | other uses of accelerometer mean you dont always need the filter :) | 15:23 |
| lcuk | random noise is actually good for somethings | 15:23 |
| lcuk | i assume its framerate | 15:23 |
| lcuk | in neverball at least | 15:23 |
| lcuk | in other stuff ive played with it was 25fps | 15:23 |
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| VDVsx | not the sample rate of the accel | 15:24 |
| lcuk | anyway, must dash | 15:24 |
| VDVsx | *no | 15:24 |
| VDVsx | 100hz ? | 15:24 |
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| X-Fade | mikkov_: Can you keep an eye on your inbox to see if you see a comment notification? | 15:30 |
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| Jaffa | VDVsx: I'm averaging three samples of the accelerometer in Attitude, but I've no idea if that'll work well (no one with an actual device has tested the new version yet) | 15:31 |
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| VDVsx | Jaffa, ask the russian guy that have done the last leaks, he has your app installed :P | 15:33 |
| Andy80 | what is Attitude? | 15:33 |
| Jaffa | VDVsx: :-) | 15:35 |
| Jaffa | Andy80: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30493 and http://maemo.org/packages/view/attitude/ | 15:35 |
| VDVsx | should work fine Jaffa, but if the frame rate is very high you will need more more samples (but is a good and simple filter ;)) | 15:36 |
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| lardman | it's probably in the flash image | 15:36 |
| lardman | at least I thought that was the idea of developing these apps before the hw was released? | 15:37 |
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| Andy80 | Jaffa, I think Kate will enjoy it :D | 15:37 |
| Jaffa | Andy80: :) | 15:37 |
| Jaffa | lardman: No, it's just to have a populated Extras for when the device is released. Not so they can be shipped with the device. | 15:37 |
| lardman | ah, ok | 15:38 |
| Andy80 | Jaffa, well.. one can populate anytime... | 15:38 |
| Andy80 | Jaffa, I've an app in mind but cannot start working to it until middle september :( (don't have a proper PC at home, just a 8.9'' eeepc and I don't want to destroy my hands typing code there :P ) | 15:39 |
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| jrocha | Andy80, solution for your hands: buy an external kb | 15:41 |
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| Andy80 | jrocha, the Acer laptop I talked you about arrived yesterday (in Italy) :) | 15:43 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: got email, but the link doesn't work | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Ah, permalink? | 15:44 |
| VDVsx | andre__, ping | 15:44 |
| mikkov_ | subject: page 76bbdf4c89e711de80c961f320f5acb7acb7 has been commented by Niels Breet (xfade) | 15:44 |
| mikkov_ | link: http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-76bbdf4c89e711de80c961f320f5acb7acb7 | 15:45 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Yeah, while it isn't pretty that should work. I need to add the permalink code indeed. | 15:45 |
| andre__ | VDVsx, pong | 15:45 |
| VDVsx | andre__, need your bugmaster assistance ;) | 15:46 |
| andre__ | VDVsx, always at your service :) | 15:46 |
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| VDVsx | andre__, need to know if there's a bug reported against the sdk, about bluetooth not working, searched in dev platform, but nothing, should I search somewhere else ? | 15:47 |
| andre__ | VDVsx, maybe connectivity>bluetooth. but no report that comes to my mind spontaneously | 15:49 |
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| VDVsx | strange, probably I'm missing something | 15:49 |
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| andre__ | VDVsx, oh well, file a report. i can still close it as invalid ;-)) | 15:50 |
| VDVsx | does anyone knows if is possible to have bluetooth under sbox in fremantle ? | 15:50 |
| andre__ | uh, never tried | 15:51 |
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| VDVsx | andre__, actually sbox picks the bluetooth adapter, but some d-bus stuff seems to be broken or something, have to do further investigation :) | 15:59 |
| lardman | take a look at this function: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m79774e01 | 16:04 |
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| lardman | if I comment out lines 48-51 it runs, if I don't it just stalls before the first printf() in the loop | 16:04 |
| lardman | any ideas? | 16:05 |
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| jrocha | lardman, I know this may sound stupid but why don't you use g_debug instead? | 16:09 |
| lardman | no idea what it is :) | 16:09 |
| jrocha | on GTK+ you normally don't use the printf function like that | 16:09 |
| jrocha | you should use g_debug | 16:09 |
| lardman | ah ok | 16:09 |
| jrocha | or, to print: g_print | 16:09 |
| jrocha | those are glib functions | 16:10 |
| jrocha | and BTW, why do you use %i to print a decimal? | 16:10 |
| lardman | yeah, I didn't relise using printf() was bad form | 16:10 |
| jrocha | I know they're alias but maybe you should use %d | 16:10 |
| lardman | why, out of interest? | 16:12 |
| jrocha | I'm just saying it's more common to use the %d | 16:12 |
| lardman | ah, fair enough | 16:12 |
| jrocha | %i has a special meaning on the scanf though | 16:12 |
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| lardman | yep | 16:12 |
| jrocha | and as a rule of thumb, use glib functions where you can, even if the stdlib ones seem pretty good | 16:13 |
| jrocha | glib assures your code is more multiplatform-ish | 16:13 |
| lardman | I don't tend to write code for GTK, so my apologies | 16:13 |
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| derf | It also ensures no one can ever re-use your code without re-writing all of it. | 16:14 |
| lardman | :) | 16:14 |
| kfx | hahah | 16:14 |
| kfx | (it's funny because it's true) | 16:14 |
| lardman | hmm, I can run that last look as long as I printf() some number, but not if I try to access the mag[] array | 16:14 |
| lardman | s/look/loop | 16:14 |
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| jrocha | lardman, no need for apologize | 16:15 |
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| lardman | what happens when you try to access a memory mapped file? | 16:16 |
| lardman | can data accesses to that region block for some reason? | 16:16 |
| derf | Absolutely. | 16:16 |
| lardman | i.e. not even a function call, just trying to read from that memory | 16:16 |
| lardman | hmm, apparently that's what's going wrong then | 16:17 |
| derf | If it isn't already backed by a page of physical RAM, it generates a page fault, during which almost anything can happen. | 16:17 |
| jrocha | exactly | 16:17 |
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| jrocha | 3 little letters may help you: G-D-B | 16:18 |
| lardman | yeah, well this will fault somehow and signal the DSP, as that's where the page is mapped | 16:18 |
| lardman | jrocha: I doubt it | 16:18 |
| jrocha | ok, anyway, good luck, I'll go back to work, cheers | 16:19 |
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| slonopotamus | lardman, unaligned memory access? | 16:20 |
| lardman | mm, that could be something, though there's no error until the poll timeout occurs | 16:20 |
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| slonopotamus | why short, btw? maybe char? | 16:22 |
| slonopotamus | oh, nm | 16:22 |
| lardman | audio data, and DSP smallest type is also 16bit | 16:22 |
| lardman | hmm, I don't think it can be a memory access blocking thing | 16:23 |
| slonopotamus | you get endless loop or hang? | 16:24 |
| lardman | as the plain audio data is also stored in the shared buffer, and that draws fine once the mag[] loop is removed | 16:24 |
| lardman | hang | 16:24 |
| lardman | the loop length is 127 | 16:24 |
| derf | lardman: Are they on the same page? | 16:24 |
| lardman | so if its 32bit aligned that might make a difference | 16:24 |
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| lardman | derf: that I don't know | 16:24 |
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| slonopotamus | lardman, hang on first pass? | 16:25 |
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| lardman | hang on second pass | 16:25 |
| slonopotamus | good | 16:25 |
| lardman | first pass has half the data length | 16:25 |
| lardman | so I may be pushing over into another page, which is messing things up there | 16:26 |
| slonopotamus | line 48 loops or not? | 16:26 |
| lardman | but, I've used this before and not seen this type of hang | 16:26 |
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| derf | lardman: Remind me again if sizeof(char) returns 1 or 2 on the DSP side? | 16:26 |
| lardman | hang on, let me find that browser window | 16:26 |
| lardman | derf: sizeof(char) == sizeof(int) ==1 | 16:27 |
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| derf | Could it be something simple like you only mapped half the region you thought you did? | 16:27 |
| slonopotamus | sizeof(int) == 4... | 16:27 |
| lardman | no | 16:27 |
| slonopotamus | oh, dsp | 16:27 |
| lardman | yeah | 16:27 |
| slonopotamus | 8-bit? :) | 16:27 |
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| lardman | derf: yep, will have a look at that | 16:27 |
| RepMace | omfg | 16:28 |
| RepMace | would you believe | 16:28 |
| lardman | slonopotamus: 16bit is the smallest type, it's a 32bit processor though | 16:28 |
| RepMace | gcc is still building on my n810 hahaha | 16:28 |
| derf | It's not really a 32-bit processor. | 16:28 |
| slonopotamus | RepMace, you suspiciously look like Macer | 16:28 |
| RepMace | yah | 16:28 |
| derf | E.g., a 32-bit add is still done as 2 16-bit adds. | 16:28 |
| RepMace | heh | 16:28 |
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| RepMace | my other shell | 16:29 |
| lardman | derf: ah, fair enough | 16:29 |
| derf | But it can do a 16x16->32 MAC in 1 cycle. | 16:29 |
| slonopotamus | RepMace, gcc is 11h | 16:29 |
| RepMace | it has been about 10 | 16:29 |
| derf | Meaning, ironically, it's twice as fast to multiply two numbers together and add them to a 32-bit number than it is to just add two 32-bit numbers. | 16:29 |
| RepMace | ;) | 16:29 |
| slonopotamus | lardman, i still think it has smth to do with aligning | 16:29 |
| RepMace | i didnt think gcc was that big of a build | 16:29 |
| RepMace | wtf | 16:29 |
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| slonopotamus | RepMace, it rebuilds itself 3 times | 16:30 |
| RepMace | seriously? | 16:30 |
| lardman | slonopotamus: I will check that too, thanks | 16:30 |
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| slonopotamus | lardman, i got hangs when wrote with wrong offset to framebuffer mmaped mem | 16:30 |
| RepMace | ah well. bbiab | 16:31 |
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| lardman | ok, not shared memory buffer size then | 16:31 |
| slonopotamus | RepMace, yep. that's required to make sure it works correctly. | 16:31 |
| lardman | will try to make memory accesses 32bit aligned | 16:31 |
| RepMace | wow | 16:32 |
| RepMace | haha | 16:32 |
| RepMace | can you over ride that? | 16:32 |
| RepMace | like aet it to 2 or something? | 16:32 |
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| slonopotamus | you already did 10h of 11, no point to | 16:32 |
| slonopotamus | RepMace, hack its build script :) | 16:32 |
| RepMace | heh | 16:32 |
| RepMace | well, not anymore | 16:33 |
| RepMace | i still have to map keys | 16:33 |
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| RepMace | for X | 16:33 |
| RepMace | console works great | 16:33 |
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| RepMace | does xmodmap let you press the buttons for the key? | 16:33 |
| RepMace | that would be great | 16:34 |
| slonopotamus | poke mer guys, they can give you links to their packages which solve same problem | 16:34 |
| RepMace | lol | 16:34 |
| RepMace | like sound? | 16:34 |
| lardman | slonopotamus: good call | 16:34 |
| RepMace | ;) | 16:34 |
| slonopotamus | lardman, uh? | 16:34 |
| lardman | was alignment | 16:34 |
| RepMace | slonopotamus: people started receiving touchbooks | 16:34 |
| RepMace | heh | 16:34 |
| RepMace | like, real people | 16:35 |
| slonopotamus | lardman, mtd causes kernel panic on unaligned write attempt :) that's much funnier to debug | 16:35 |
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| RepMace | 2 more pkgs to go after this one | 16:36 |
| slonopotamus | glibc is 12-13h :) | 16:36 |
| lardman | slonopotamus: a panic would at least signal a problem | 16:36 |
| lardman | :) | 16:36 |
| RepMace | no it wasnt :-P | 16:37 |
| RepMace | i already built glibc earlier | 16:37 |
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| RepMace | took like 6 | 16:37 |
| RepMace | :) | 16:37 |
| slonopotamus | 2.9? | 16:38 |
| RepMace | dunno | 16:38 |
| RepMace | im sure it is the nex | 16:38 |
| RepMace | t pkg | 16:38 |
| slonopotamus | ls /lib/libc-* | 16:38 |
| RepMace | :( | 16:38 |
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| RepMace | cant now. only watching the buikd. not with the device and have to do other stuff | 16:38 |
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| slonopotamus | beware, some files in gcc make it eat lots of ram, you can cause wd reboot if doing smth ram-intensive simulaniously. | 16:39 |
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| slonopotamus | lardman, you owe me reversing of libcal crc32 :P | 16:40 |
| lardman | you have some details handy? | 16:41 |
| lardman | hmm, only one large fft component, and I'm sure I got rid of the DC term | 16:43 |
| slonopotamus | lardman, later | 16:46 |
| lardman | np | 16:46 |
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| slonopotamus | lardman, what are you doing with dsp, btw? just curious | 16:48 |
| slonopotamus | lardman, oh! gcc has c54x support. and c55x is backward-compatible with c54x | 16:49 |
| lardman | ah, interesting | 16:49 |
| lardman | I was just hacking together a quick bit of audio signal analysis code | 16:49 |
| slonopotamus | i haven't built toolchain, however, some gentoo-specific problems | 16:50 |
| slonopotamus | lardman, 'audio signal analysis code' sounds scary :) | 16:50 |
| lardman | well just spit out the waveform and do an FFT on it | 16:51 |
| lardman | nothing very compilcated | 16:51 |
| * slonopotamus doesn't know a thing about sound processing actually | 16:52 | |
| lardman | nor does lardman, but thought it would be fun :) | 16:53 |
| lardman | hmm, fft doesn't seem to actually do anything though | 16:53 |
| lardman | and lots of places for that to go wrong | 16:53 |
| lardman | time for a break | 16:53 |
| lardman | cu all later on | 16:54 |
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| GAN800 | I can't believe there's still no IRC client for S60 5th. | 18:02 |
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| tigert | because its much better to use putty and irssi? | 18:07 |
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| wazd_n800 | heya all | 18:13 |
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| Jaffa | tigert! | 18:14 |
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| wazd_n800 | Jaffa, you're famous now =) | 18:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | tigert: i stopped using putty+irssi a while ago | 18:15 |
| timeless_mbp | i got lazy and now use mirggi or something | 18:16 |
| timeless_mbp | it's awful | 18:16 |
| timeless_mbp | and causes my n81 to reboot when i ask it to connect to freenode | 18:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | but .. :) | 18:16 |
| timeless_mbp | wazd_n800: why is he famous? | 18:16 |
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| Jaffa | wazd_n800: thp's gPodder was also in the screenshots, FWIW. | 18:17 |
| wazd_n800 | timeless_mbp, his lattitude app was spoted in the rx-51 preview =) | 18:17 |
| Jaffa | s/ l/ / | 18:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | was there a web browser too? | 18:17 |
| wazd_n800 | jaffa, yep, and no omw( | 18:17 |
| VDVsx | LOL at tmo : "and finally, the UI looks like canola had a bastard child with hildon" | 18:17 |
| Jaffa | wazd_n800: Aww | 18:17 |
| wazd_n800 | timeless_mbp, yep | 18:18 |
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| tigert | VDVsx: groan | 18:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | does that make people who work on web browsers famous? :) | 18:19 |
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| wazd_n800 | timeless_mbp, sure :P | 18:20 |
| VDVsx | no, because the credits page wasn't shown :P | 18:20 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Your app ships as standard, unfair advantage :-p | 18:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | VDVsx: my parents told my sister (who arrived a few hours ago) to tell me they saw my name in the credits (for firefox) | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | timeless_mbp: I predict that your fame will rise once the code to browser-ui is let out ;) | 18:21 |
| timeless_mbp | infamy you mean? | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | heh | 18:21 |
| timeless_mbp | i only meta influence the browser-ui code | 18:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'm not sure i've actually touched a single line of it directly | 18:22 |
| lcuk | you have - the word wrpping stuff at very least :P | 18:22 |
| VDVsx | timeless, eheh ;) | 18:22 |
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| * timeless_mbp ponders | 18:22 | |
| * timeless_mbp goes back to reading | 18:23 | |
| timeless_mbp | today's discovery: an off by one error | 18:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | btw, the first someone to find my off by one error and show it to me (in person) gets a beer | 18:23 |
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| VDVsx | only one ?, bahhh | 18:24 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, i'm not rich | 18:25 |
| VDVsx | beer ^ | 18:25 |
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| lcuk | timeless_mbp, i have those everywhere | 18:27 |
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| lbt | wiki down? | 18:50 |
| lbt | X-Fade: ^ ? | 18:50 |
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| pablo_ | I need these libs ->libgl1-mesa-dev libglu1-mesa-dev , anybody have? | 18:54 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: seems to be :-( | 18:56 |
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| lbt | back now | 19:05 |
| lbt | the wiki | 19:05 |
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| fiferboy | I guess it's time to reinstall the Maemo 5 SDK... | 21:23 |
| X-Fade | Grrrr, wtf is going on with the autobuilder. Have to kick these guys ... | 21:23 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, just a bit busy :) | 21:23 |
| lcuk | made sure cpu is in performance mode ;) | 21:24 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: No, something is broken. | 21:24 |
| thopiekar | not my fault :P | 21:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I'z in ur autobuilder, stealin' ur cpuz | 21:24 |
| X-Fade | It doesn't seem to use the tarball at all. | 21:24 |
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| lcuk | bah | 21:24 |
| lcuk | thats not good at all | 21:24 |
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| lcuk | its the etrunko and VDVsx pushin those massive packages thro :P | 21:25 |
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| X-Fade | Funny thing is, I really can't find why it is suddenly doing that. | 21:25 |
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| lcuk | bump in the night | 21:26 |
| lcuk | you should be able to get it within a few hour window tho? | 21:26 |
| lcuk | ie, you could just look at when last package worked | 21:26 |
| fiferboy | Do I need to redo the scratchbox install for maemo5 SDK if I have maemo4 SDK installed? | 21:26 |
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| suihkulokki | no | 21:26 |
| javispedro | no? | 21:26 |
| X-Fade | Transmissing was the last one this afternoon. At 13:06. | 21:26 |
| javispedro | unless you have manually updated sbox, I'd guess so. | 21:27 |
| fiferboy | Excellent. It seems I have to redo my cpu transparency, though | 21:27 |
| javispedro | there's e.g. new toolchain. | 21:27 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: Ah. Hmm... | 21:27 |
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| fiferboy | Does anyone use both maemo4 and maemo5 SDK on the same machine? | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | i think i do, but i can't remember how i ended up with it | 21:30 |
| lcuk | i did for a while | 21:30 |
| lcuk | till i broke them | 21:30 |
| * qwerty12_N810 does | 21:30 | |
| javispedro | i do now. | 21:30 |
| X-Fade | Yes, you can. | 21:31 |
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| javispedro | I've had less problems running the maemo4 & 5 side by side than previous versions | 21:31 |
| javispedro | sometimes you had to clean $HOME (which is shared) | 21:31 |
| X-Fade | I run chinook,diablo and fremantle beta on the same one on the autobuilder ;) | 21:31 |
| qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5-0_installation/#upgradediablo | 21:31 |
| X-Fade | Just different targets. | 21:31 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12 does it again | 21:32 |
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| javispedro | they share $HOME tho, the only way I figured to make them use independent HOMEs is to use multiple sbox users. | 21:32 |
| lcuk | i just want dpkg-buildpackage to work | 21:32 |
| javispedro | the interface coming up from time to time is something good to have ;) | 21:33 |
| lcuk | tho, i dont actually need a pacakge | 21:33 |
| lcuk | i just need .dsc .tar.gz and changes i think << that right X-Fade | 21:33 |
| lcuk | ? | 21:33 |
| X-Fade | yep | 21:33 |
| * lcuk ponders :) | 21:33 | |
| X-Fade | you need whatever is listed in your dsc. | 21:34 |
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| lcuk | packaging liq apps its simple now | 21:34 |
| lcuk | its only 1 dependency | 21:34 |
| javispedro | the autobuilder justs dpkg-source -x it I guess. | 21:34 |
| X-Fade | + your changes file to list everything. | 21:34 |
| javispedro | btw X-Fade, which dpkg-source version is the autobuilder using? the target one? | 21:34 |
| javispedro | (Just wondering because of debian quilt source packages, implemented in 3.0 ) | 21:35 |
| javispedro | (AFAIK :P ) | 21:35 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, ive got templated area to deal with everything, it creates desktop item, osso file, backup thingy, binary, run.sh and stuffs :) | 21:35 |
| lcuk | it even asks or doesnt ask for the select-location | 21:36 |
| lcuk | so packages will happily install on different maemos without alteration :) | 21:36 |
| keesj | how do I request a new passwd for the maemo wiki? | 21:36 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: You can see what it calls in the logs: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/transmission_1.73-5maemo6/armel.build.log.OK.txt for example | 21:37 |
| javispedro | X-Fade, but that's after unpacking the source | 21:37 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Unpacking is done here: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/transmission_1.73-5maemo6/armel.root.log.OK.txt | 21:38 |
| javispedro | and that is run in sbox context I guess | 21:39 |
| X-Fade | Yes. | 21:39 |
| javispedro | ok, thanks :) | 21:39 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: host is running: Debian dpkg-source version 1.13.25. | 21:39 |
| javispedro | yep, but if it's run from sbox it'll be using sbox's devkit one | 21:40 |
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| X-Fade | Indeed. | 21:40 |
| javispedro | which is etch even on the fremantle sdk so I'd better forget about any kind of funny source package formats | 21:40 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810, über patch: "main_window_use_hildonwindow_hildonprogram_thumbhildonmenu_hildontoolbar_hildoninit_reduceitemsinmenu_usethumbinmenu_disableiconsinmenus_thumbscrollbarintorrentlist_maemotoolbaricons_hildonbanner" | 21:41 |
| javispedro | btw, good job with the port!!! :) | 21:41 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: You won't believe the fun I had typing that... It was because I kept code that does similar tasks in seperate patches :) | 21:42 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Thanks :) | 21:42 |
| javispedro | oh, until you hit PATH_MAX (currently 4096) everything is OK ;) | 21:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | :D | 21:44 |
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| toggles_w | lol | 21:49 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: autobuilder seems to be broken again | 21:50 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: I know, severly broken. | 21:50 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Funny thing is, I have no clue what is wrong | 21:50 |
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| mikkov_ | X-Fade: disk full? | 21:52 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: No, checked all the obvious things ;) | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | webkit going through? ;p | 21:52 |
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| X-Fade | VDVsx: You don't have to comment on a bug to put yourself in CC. That is rather annoying ;) | 22:01 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: I think that the problem is in uploading. | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, is there really no new Xournal for diablo? | 22:02 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: The tarball is in incoming-builder, but it doesn't seem to get copied to the builder. | 22:02 |
| mikkov_ | Stskeeps: no there isn't | 22:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: author lost sources and has no interest in a Diablo version it seems | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | damnit :/ i miss that app | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | don't make me switch to Mer | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:03 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: yes, the source directory has only .dsc | 22:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | The broken sources was in extras-devel at one point :( | 22:03 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Yeah and the tarball stayus in incoming-builder. | 22:03 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: xournal_0.4.2.1-1diablo1.tar.gz ? | 22:04 |
| qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: must be :) | 22:04 |
| X-Fade | i have that one at least ;) | 22:04 |
| qwerty12_N810 | If you could put it somewhere, you may get someone interested in fixing the Diablo version :) | 22:05 |
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| Stskeeps | i'd contribute 5 usd towards that. | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | i miss that app horribly. | 22:06 |
| mikkov_ | What was wrong with xournal anyway? | 22:06 |
| qwerty12_N810 | IIRC, it wouldn't start, files missing or something | 22:07 |
| qwerty12_N810 | The Chinook version worked like a charm on Diablo | 22:07 |
| qwerty12_N810 | (but never had its source shared) | 22:07 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/xournal_0.4.2.1-1diablo1.tar.gz | 22:07 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Thanks X-Fade :) | 22:07 |
| X-Fade | I'll remove it once you have it.. | 22:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Heh, got it! | 22:08 |
| X-Fade | Keep in mind that the diablo one was not 100% ok.. | 22:08 |
| mikkov_ | is it only broken packaging, because source shouldn't need any changes between chinook and diablo | 22:09 |
| X-Fade | No, it was crashing more, I think. I'm not sure anymore. | 22:09 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | http://qwerty12.qole.org/xournal_0.4.2.1-1diablo1.tar.gz if anyone wants to get it working | 22:11 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: put up a post and encourage people | 22:20 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: done | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: ta | 22:27 |
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| X-Fade | How anoying, garage's clock seems 3 minutes off and I can't set the clock. | 22:41 |
| RST38h | moo all | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | moo rst38h | 22:45 |
| woglinde | moo | 22:45 |
| RST38h | xbox360 failure rate is 54.2% | 22:47 |
| * RST38h can't abstain from evil cackling | 22:48 | |
| X-Fade | RST38h: I don't believe that for a second. | 22:48 |
| RST38h | even if they are wrong by 25% it is stil a quarter of all xboxes | 22:49 |
| X-Fade | And that I still don't believe. | 22:50 |
| X-Fade | That would cost them 400% more than they cost. | 22:50 |
| RST38h | why? everyone knows it overheats | 22:51 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, but they can't get away with that high failure rates. | 22:51 |
| RST38h | oh it costs tthem dearly, they stopped allowing returns a while ago, i think | 22:51 |
| X-Fade | It must be vocal people or whatever. | 22:51 |
| X-Fade | No way that real figures are that high. | 22:51 |
| RST38h | dunno, it must be a lot of vocal people... | 22:52 |
| X-Fade | Well, Vista sucks too, you know. | 22:52 |
| X-Fade | It is just a meme. | 22:52 |
| derf | Hey, at least their failure rate went _down_ on replacements. | 22:52 |
| X-Fade | I do believe there is a big problem, but it can never be that big. | 22:52 |
| * RST38h also loves artificially created shortages created by nintendo and apple | 22:53 | |
| derf | All the way to 41.2%! | 22:53 |
| RST38h | miracle! | 22:53 |
| derf | Sony's and Nintendo's went up. | 22:53 |
| RST38h | that is because they recycle? ;) | 22:53 |
| derf | Or the people who returned their consoles did so because their entertainment center is located in a heavily carpeted room next to a bright window under a heat lamp with a humidifier blowing on it. | 22:54 |
| RST38h | pathetic | 22:54 |
| suihkulokki | _every_ friend of mine who has a Xbox 360 has had to return it for warranty repairs :P | 22:55 |
| RST38h | you could place nes into a freaking flower pot and it worked | 22:55 |
| derf | Provided you blew on the cartridges enough. | 22:56 |
| RST38h | and the new ones dislike windows and desk lamps, you say? | 22:56 |
| RST38h | derf: ah, that is what alcohol wipes are for... | 22:57 |
| derf | I'm just saying, people do crazy things to their electronics. | 22:57 |
| RST38h | not in 54% of cases though | 22:57 |
| derf | Right. I'd believe it in the 6.8% of cases of Wii failure, though. | 22:58 |
| RST38h | does wii also overheat? i thought it was the most reasonable one of three | 22:59 |
| derf | It is. PS3's failure rate was 10.6%. | 22:59 |
| suihkulokki | yes, but 15.7% of wii owners break their tv by accidentally throwing the wiimote on the tv.. | 22:59 |
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| derf | Maybe those 6.8% routinely clean their lint filters on top of the console or something. | 23:00 |
| RST38h | suih: that should count into tv fail rates =) | 23:01 |
| Macer | lol | 23:01 |
| X-Fade | And is that fail rate figure per year? Or what? | 23:01 |
| Macer | it went from 12 hr gcc to 15 hr glibc | 23:01 |
| Macer | i will have my touchbbook by the time i finish building this crap | 23:02 |
| derf | X-Fade: Probably lifetime. | 23:02 |
| RST38h | x-fade: no idea check the link from /. | 23:02 |
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| RST38h | macer: you will have your n900 this way... | 23:03 |
| Macer | lol | 23:03 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: *survey* | 23:03 |
| Macer | well, tb is as good as the n900 | 23:03 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: That says inaccurate biased crap to me. | 23:03 |
| Macer | just not as small | 23:03 |
| Macer | similar hw im sure | 23:03 |
| derf | All statistics are inaccurate biased crap. | 23:03 |
| RST38h | x-fade: well, maybe, yes | 23:03 |
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| X-Fade | derf: Yes, but this one is counting on the vocal part of the community. | 23:04 |
| derf | But it doesn't take very accurate statistics to put three numbers like 54%, 11%, and 7% next to each other, and notice that one of these things is not like the others. | 23:04 |
| X-Fade | If you buy things based on what you see in support forums, you get a really skewed reality. | 23:04 |
| derf | I am well aware of selection bias. | 23:04 |
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| RST38h | x-fade: really depends on how they sampled | 23:08 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: How and who yes. | 23:10 |
| derf | Well, 69.9% of respondents said they had at least one friend who had a 360 failure. | 23:10 |
| derf | Which means most of them had less than 3 friends. | 23:11 |
| X-Fade | derf: Or they all know the same guy :) | 23:11 |
| X-Fade | Well, who has an xbox 360 here? | 23:12 |
| javispedro | lol | 23:12 |
| X-Fade | And who has had their console fail? | 23:12 |
| RST38h | x-fade: obviously, you =) | 23:12 |
| X-Fade | I bet that less than 2% of people on this channel had their xbox fail ;) | 23:13 |
| * javispedro is yet to see a nintendo console fail.... save for wiis. | 23:13 | |
| RST38h | how many people here have xboxes anyway? | 23:13 |
| X-Fade | As you can see, it is all in the details of the wording. | 23:14 |
| derf | I don't know anyone with a 360 who _hasn't_ had it fail. | 23:15 |
| RST38h | next bunch of consoles will most likely be intel based, hehe | 23:15 |
| lcuk | javispedro, the wii has been lovely for us- except jacob screwing up the cd in detector | 23:17 |
| lcuk | ie brute force | 23:17 |
| * lcuk tried blowing on the cds before inserting them when it first happened | 23:17 | |
| derf | Well, if it's showed anything, it's that people don't care. | 23:17 |
| javispedro | oh, I can't actually blame nintendo -- it felt. however, most other nintendo consoles all have felt from the same table (it's some kind of ritual I do ;)) | 23:17 |
| derf | 2% said it would discourage them from buying a future system. | 23:18 |
| javispedro | (did I say I like MacSafe? ;) ) | 23:18 |
| derf | 36% already bought a second 360. | 23:18 |
| derf | (that's the mind-boggling number to me) | 23:18 |
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| Macer | lcuk: just sw hack it | 23:19 |
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| Macer | then you dont need whatever it is nintendo uses | 23:19 |
| javispedro | lol. felt. I meant "fell". | 23:19 |
| Macer | a wii is the only thing i have | 23:20 |
| Macer | i dont play games much | 23:20 |
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| derf | The last console I owned was a Sega Genesis. | 23:20 |
| * lcuk goes to the corner and has a long satisfying wii | 23:20 | |
| Macer | my wii | 23:20 |
| Macer | and its ext hd | 23:20 |
| Macer | worth like $10,000 | 23:21 |
| Macer | haha | 23:21 |
| RST38h | or more, if they catch you and drag you into court... | 23:21 |
| Macer | hahahaha | 23:21 |
| Macer | i have a system of magnets | 23:22 |
| Macer | hooked up to a panic button | 23:22 |
| * qwerty12_N810 wishes he had something else rather than a Wii. It says a lot when your xbox1 plays media better than the Wii :) | 23:22 | |
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| Macer | qwerty12_N810: they have wii mplayer | 23:22 |
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| Macer | :-P | 23:22 |
| Macer | mplayer plays all | 23:22 |
| Macer | heh | 23:22 |
| javispedro | i've been a nintendo fan for too much to discard my wii... | 23:22 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I know, but XBMC does a better job IMO :p | 23:22 |
| Macer | maybe the interface | 23:23 |
| Macer | you get a remote | 23:23 |
| Macer | bbl | 23:23 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 23:24 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: ping? | 23:27 |
| timeless_mbp | does anyone here know: Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias ? | 23:27 |
| dark | Ehlo | 23:27 |
| andre__ | sounds igalianish | 23:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Man | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | I may be able to pull off this Wine migration | 23:45 |
| Jaffa | Good grief, -users really is full of trolls and idiots. | 23:45 |
| Jaffa | Reading comprehension age seems to be about 3. | 23:45 |
| * qwerty12_N810 unsubscribed a long time ago | 23:46 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | Couldn't find anything that wasn't, well, shit. | 23:46 |
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| Firebird | -users? | 23:46 |
| * Jaffa tried to give a bit of info and... just... I'm continually staggered that I'm still surprised | 23:47 | |
| Jaffa | Firebird: the maemo-users mailing list. Makes tmo look positively intellectual. | 23:47 |
| Firebird | oh | 23:47 |
| VDVsx | timeless, yup, Igalian, also know as API ;) | 23:48 |
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| Jaffa | I think we need a karma reweighting. maemo-developers & maemo-community > tmo post, but -users, nah. | 23:48 |
| timeless_mbp | VDVsx: does he use irc? | 23:48 |
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| Firebird | heh, I dislike mailing lists - why is every one talking in one giant thread a good idea.. | 23:49 |
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| VDVsx | timeless_mbp, dunno, gonna ask | 23:49 |
| Jaffa | Firebird: err, "one giant thread"? | 23:49 |
| kfx | Firebird: the only difference between a mailing list and a web forum is the interfac | 23:49 |
| kfx | e | 23:49 |
| javispedro | specially when you like to subscribe to each forum's thread. | 23:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, it's horrifying. | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm so glad I unsubscribed. | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd probably have died of apoplexy a long time ago if I hadn't. | 23:53 |
| VDVsx | timeless_mbp, my sources are off atm :), ping him by mail or ask tomorrow here, some Igalian's usually hang around | 23:55 |
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| X-Fade | Ah, autobuilder should be fixed. Can anyone verify? | 23:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Want me to send WebKit? ;P | 23:57 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: A lighter package might do too ;) | 23:57 |
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| mikkov_ | X-Fade: ssh access has not been working for hours | 23:59 |
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| X-Fade | mikkov_: load has been over 15 for hours ;) | 23:59 |
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