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| javispedro | andre__, can I bother you and your mobile kitchen sink device :) ? | 00:43 |
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| javispedro | (about that openttd palette swap thingie) | 00:44 |
| andre__ | javispedro, yes | 00:45 |
| javispedro | ok, it should be on extras-devel | 00:45 |
| javispedro | and thanks :) | 00:47 |
| andre__ | yeah, i can see it under "Browse installable applications" | 00:50 |
| andre__ | javispedro, want me to test sth special? | 00:51 |
| javispedro | just run it and figure if the trees are blue or green ;) | 00:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, can I annoy you? | 00:51 |
| andre__ | javispedro, but i see some bugs :) | 00:51 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, you can :) | 00:51 |
| javispedro | you mean, packaging? | 00:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, OK, good. I'm holding that for a rainy day. :P | 00:51 |
| andre__ | javispedro, there seem to be hard line breaks in the "Description" section that make it a bit ugly to read :) | 00:52 |
| javispedro | today is a rainy day here :D | 00:53 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, err... hope I didn't get you wrong... thought you had a question to me maybe :) | 00:54 |
| javispedro | andre__, oh, thanks, still didn't get the beta 2 h-a-m working | 00:54 |
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| andre__ | there's a dialog that confuses me, mom | 00:55 |
| javispedro | the card install thingie? cancel it | 00:56 |
| javispedro | i'll try to handle all of this later, it's the palette swap that's keeping me awake | 00:57 |
| andre__ | is that a feature of openttd? interesting idea | 00:57 |
| javispedro | cause I fear I'll have to switch to the 32 bpp rendered | 00:57 |
| javispedro | *renderer | 00:57 |
| andre__ | note that the card install dialog talks about pressing OK and Cancel, but these buttons don't exist | 00:57 |
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| javispedro | weird, that's maemo-confirm-text.. I think i remember it had an OK button at least? | 00:58 |
| javispedro | (cancel being the implicit "click anywhere else") | 00:58 |
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| andre__ | javispedro, eeks, now clicked it away already. I think it was "Apply" | 01:00 |
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| javispedro | andre__, on sbox it has an "Accept" button | 01:01 |
| andre__ | javispedro, the trees are green, yellow and brown i'd say | 01:01 |
| javispedro | no blue trees | 01:02 |
| javispedro | so it's a xephyr thing | 01:02 |
| andre__ | it's hard to exactly touch the buttons in the start screen, they are *very* small :-/ | 01:02 |
| andre__ | there are definitely no blue trees | 01:02 |
| javispedro | yes, 0.8.0 is going to have reflowable ui | 01:02 |
| andre__ | there's blue water though :) | 01:02 |
| javispedro | aw man, I lost the blue trees screenshot I was going to attach to the bug report ;) | 01:05 |
| andre__ | heh | 01:05 |
| andre__ | good night | 01:06 |
| javispedro | thank you! | 01:06 |
| javispedro | and good night :) | 01:06 |
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| chx | "30245 new messages on the server but the retrieval limit is 200. Retrieve all?" HAHA my tablet is suicidal to even ask that. | 02:28 |
| mavhc | I ended up actually using the archive option in gmail due to using imap on n810 | 02:29 |
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| chx | mavhc: i might need to do that too, it seems it still tries to download the whole shebang | 02:32 |
| chx | mavhc: so you just moved out of inbox everything not needed? | 02:32 |
| mavhc | everything >1 year old, archive | 02:33 |
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| chx | when creating a new filter i do not see such an option | 02:34 |
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| mavhc | search between dates, then select all and archive | 02:40 |
| chx | for search, i have date within... but not between dates | 02:43 |
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| chx | in labs there is an imap tweak | 02:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | before:<date-6-months-ago> | 02:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any way to archive all search results? | 02:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | As opposed to doing them 20 at a time. . . . | 02:48 |
| chx | you can click select all search results. | 02:48 |
| chx | yay | 02:48 |
| chx | my inbox dropped to a measly 1124 messages. | 02:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Clicking "All" only selects visible messages | 02:49 |
| chx | not "all" | 02:49 |
| chx | there is a separate long link just above the message | 02:50 |
| chx | s | 02:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not here. | 02:50 |
| chx | clcik all | 02:51 |
| chx | now | 02:51 |
| chx | All 20 conversations on this page are selected. Select all conversations that match this search | 02:51 |
| chx | appears | 02:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, that's intuitive. . . . :roll: | 02:51 |
| chx | imo its fucked but :P | 02:52 |
| chx | OMG what would I give for an N810 with a four row keyboard and a powerful CPU... | 02:56 |
| chx | but, beggars cant be choosers | 02:56 |
| chx | I am happy even this exists. | 02:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, N900 offers the CPU, anyway. | 02:57 |
| chx | if / when that ever ships. | 02:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | September is still my guess. | 03:00 |
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| chx | i know | 03:03 |
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| thux | morning | 08:56 |
| thux | how much free space merinstaller needs to run properly in maemo? | 08:58 |
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| StsN810 | enough to put a initfs uncompressed | 09:02 |
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| thux | StsN810: how much in megabits? | 09:14 |
| StsN810 | byte, 5-10mb? | 09:14 |
| thux | that little | 09:15 |
| Macer | hm | 09:16 |
| Macer | tmob is going like 50KB/s | 09:16 |
| Macer | wtf is going on.. does ssh have that much bandwidth overhead? :) | 09:16 |
| thux | then something else is wrong in my maemo | 09:17 |
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| thux | got 50Mb free space and install process wrote it full twice | 09:19 |
| lardman | 50Mb free space is the reported space? | 09:20 |
| thux | then stopped and collapsed | 09:20 |
| lardman | on your internal flash, jffs2 filesystem? | 09:20 |
| thux | yes | 09:20 |
| lardman | the fs is compressed, it only makes a best guess about how much space it has available | 09:21 |
| thux | df said | 09:21 |
| thux | ok that must be problem | 09:21 |
| lardman | also, iirc, when a package is installed it's decompressed to tmp, then copied to location. Can't remember if tmp is mounted as a ram disk, but if there's not enough room it will fail | 09:21 |
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| thux | thanx | 09:23 |
| sge | gmorning guys, is there anywhere I can find real info about how the audio stuff works on these n800/n810? | 09:23 |
| lardman | probably no help mind you :) | 09:23 |
| lardman | sge: real as opposed to imaginary? ;) What do you want to know? | 09:23 |
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| sge | lardman: hahaa well, I'm kind of intersted in where the sound goes from an application before it goes out.. | 09:24 |
| lardman | it goes into the DSP and is output from there | 09:24 |
| sge | always DSP? | 09:25 |
| lardman | via one of the gstreamer DSP sinks | 09:25 |
| lardman | yes | 09:25 |
| sge | then both gst and esd either have their own code or use alsa_dsp? | 09:25 |
| sge | gstreamer DSP sink.. I'll google for those then.. | 09:25 |
| sge | I'm kinda trying to get a clue on the entire thing.. | 09:26 |
| lardman | they will all use the DSP pcm sink I imagine, probably wrapped to fit in with whatever they expect | 09:26 |
| lardman | not sure about alsa_dsp | 09:26 |
| lardman | there are some headers in the repo as well as the GPL arm-side parts of the GStreamer DSP sinks | 09:27 |
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| lardman | why the interest? Anything specific? | 09:27 |
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| sge | yea, I'm wondering about the latencies in each of them | 09:29 |
| lardman | ah ok | 09:29 |
| sge | gives me a headache.. | 09:29 |
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| lardman | once the pipeline is setup I'd have thought the latency would be ok, but if it is repeatedly setup then torn down that might cause problems | 09:30 |
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| lardman | but I don't know anything about the GStreamer pipeline latencies tbh, and all of my DSP work is with dynamic tasks, which have to be loaded, so not so relevant as the PCM task stuff is always loaded | 09:31 |
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| sge | guess the only way to find out is the hard way.. | 09:33 |
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| lardman | yep, get timing! :) | 09:34 |
| sge | I'll see what I can do. | 09:34 |
| lardman | give me a shout if I can do anything to help | 09:35 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles, Jaffa: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4871 | 10:46 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:47 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: ta | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: ping | 10:48 |
| lardman | hi Jaffa | 10:50 |
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| X-Fade | Morning. | 11:04 |
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| andre__ | Stskeeps, pong | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: can you check if Extras/Mer has '0.15' as version? | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | and if not, add up to 0.17 or something :) | 11:05 |
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| andre__ | Stskeeps, will do | 11:05 |
| zs | any news about n900? when it will be available to buy? | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | zs: none yet, except if there's something in morning news :P | 11:06 |
| tbf | zs: when they consider it ready for masses, i guess? ;-) | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: thanks | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: remind me to buy you a beverage at summit :P | 11:06 |
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| RST38h | "A [British] report recommends that the military scale back its involvement in controlling the drug trade in order to focus solely on security." | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 11:10 |
| lardman | good thing too, otherwise is pisses off the poppy growers | 11:10 |
| RST38h | Takes .AU news source to reveal who controls Afghan drug trade =) | 11:10 |
| RST38h | lardman: raises prices and keeps Americans from its share of the pie, I know :) | 11:11 |
| lardman | nah more that with no jobs for the (Afghan) boys, they go around blowing up our boys | 11:11 |
| RST38h | lardman: They seem to handle both jobs equally well, in the same time | 11:11 |
| lardman | perhaps if demand for heroin rose they'd find farming more useful than RGP-weilding? You never knoe | 11:12 |
| lardman | know | 11:12 |
| RST38h | Unless you experiment of course. | 11:13 |
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| eichi_PDA | hello, i need a openstreetmap raw file map viewer | 11:44 |
| eichi_PDA | someone can tell me some? | 11:44 |
| eichi_PDA | or is navit the only one? | 11:44 |
| RST38h | eichi: Roadmap | 11:45 |
| eichi_PDA | RST38h, thanks i will try | 11:48 |
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| florian | good morning | 11:48 |
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| eichi_PDA | i will travel throw england and wales 2 weeks by hichhicking andd need some nice oopenstreetmap data | 11:49 |
| eichi_PDA | but maemo mapper...files will get to big | 11:50 |
| eichi_PDA | 2gb zoom level 6 wales | 11:50 |
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| RST38h | "It all began last month when the man heard a "hissing noise" and thought he "could see vapor" after dropping his 11 year old daughter's iPod Touch. He threw it out the back door of his house and "within 30 seconds there was a pop, a big puff of smoke and it went 10ft in the air." | 12:11 |
| RST38h | Now we know why the batteries are non-removable in these... | 12:11 |
| jaska | next: TSA bans ipods | 12:11 |
| RST38h | no sht. | 12:11 |
| eichi_PDA | RST38h, getmaps downloads raw osm data? | 12:14 |
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| RST38h | Yes | 12:23 |
| RST38h | Do keep in mind that Roadmap is kinda shaky, it never worked for me | 12:24 |
| eichi_PDA | RST38h, cant get maps | 12:35 |
| RST38h | For me, it just hung | 12:35 |
| RST38h | Trying to get maps. I have no idea what the problem was because it seemingly worked for other people | 12:35 |
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| eichi | RST38h, same here, maps downloading doesnt work | 13:01 |
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| VDVsx | lolol: http://twitter.com/chingf0rd/statuses/3092927560 | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:12 |
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| VDVsx | andre__, ping | 13:18 |
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| VDVsx | murrayc, ping | 13:20 |
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| andre__ | VDVsx, pong | 13:23 |
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| VDVsx | andre__, please comment/add more info: http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo_Summit_2009/Submissions#maemo.org_Bug_Management | 13:23 |
| murrayc | VDVsx: pong | 13:23 |
| VDVsx | murrayc, same :P , please comment/add more info:http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo_Summit_2009/Submissions#Handheld_Glom:_Easy_database_applications. | 13:23 |
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| murrayc | VDVsx: What info do you need? When I submitted it I included a description. | 13:24 |
| andre__ | yeah. dave also chatted with me about it. it's on my todo list | 13:24 |
| VDVsx | murrayc, see the comments in the link that I sent | 13:24 |
| murrayc | VDVsx: I'll answer the dev/user question though. | 13:24 |
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| VDVsx | andre__, great :) | 13:25 |
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| murrayc | How do I add that signature+time to a wiki edit? | 13:25 |
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| andre__ | Stskeeps, added (Re: Mer) | 13:25 |
| X-Fade | murrayc: click on the signature icon ;) | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: ta! | 13:26 |
| murrayc | X-Fade: Ah, thanks. | 13:26 |
| X-Fade | murrayc: --~~~~ | 13:26 |
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| eichi | rsalveti, i will use navit now | 13:30 |
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| eichi | its slow, but it works | 13:30 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps, forget blogs, just twit :P | 13:40 |
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| Stskeeps | VDVsx: hehe | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | twits don't end up on planet :) | 13:40 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps, don't give ideas lol -> maemo twit planet :) | 13:42 |
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| Jaffa | Anyone particularly want to advocate the position of disgruntled tmo user on -community (re elections & accounts)? | 13:48 |
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| lamojola | I have my N800 booting from a 2GB SD card. The boot menu comes up fine, but when I select to boot from the SD card, the blue bar progress continues, and then at some point it goes into a reboot, and I'm back at the menu. I found some resources on the 770, but that was regarding a MMC issue. I'm not sure what's going on here, but I'd like to troubleshoot it. Anybody have a resource online or an idea what's going on | 14:11 |
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| lcuk5 | lamojola, boot loop problems can occur for a number of reasons, does the device still happily boot from its internal doofer | 14:49 |
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| lamojola | lcuk5, thanks for the reply. Yes, it does boot from there fine. I can work in that environment. | 14:50 |
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| konttori_ | Hmm.. I'm trying to run clutter hello world on the device with clutter, but having some problems. | 15:11 |
| konttori_ | it's saying that clutter.Text() -> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'Text' | 15:12 |
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| lcuk5 | aint that just rubbin the noses of the users here since i gather most wont be able to reproduce and diagnose the problem :P | 15:13 |
| konttori_ | umm... well, on desktop, should be the same | 15:13 |
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| b | anyone around? I've got some serious weird issues | 15:19 |
| RST38h | what are your serious weird issues? | 15:21 |
| b | I'm missing libhildon, with is a depenency for everything, and I have a few packages that apt-get keeps telling me to run apt-get -f install on, but they won't install | 15:21 |
| b | some espeak mammajamma | 15:22 |
| b | did that make sense? | 15:23 |
| RST38h | no | 15:23 |
| b | alright | 15:23 |
| b | say I try to install Maemo Mapper | 15:24 |
| b | I am met with this response: | 15:24 |
| b | unable to install maemo-mapper | 15:24 |
| b | some application packages are missing | 15:24 |
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| b | libhildonfm2 | 15:25 |
| b | libespeak | 15:25 |
| b | espeak-data | 15:25 |
| b | libespeak | 15:25 |
| b | at first I just thought I was missing a repo or something of the sorts | 15:25 |
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| RST38h | What device do you have? And what OS? | 15:26 |
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| b | n800 | 15:27 |
| b | running maemo of course | 15:27 |
| RST38h | OS version? | 15:27 |
| b | 4.2008.30-2 | 15:27 |
| RST38h | You should upgrade to 5.2008.43-7 | 15:29 |
| RST38h | Then it will work | 15:29 |
| b | alright | 15:29 |
| b | I live out of a backpack, so this should be fun trying to find that mini usb adapter... | 15:30 |
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| b | herm, running windows 7 too | 15:32 |
| b | it appears very hung up on "installing driver" for the nokia update app | 15:33 |
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| wazd | heya all | 15:34 |
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| RST38h | moo wazd | 15:37 |
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| Macer | oh goddamnit | 15:42 |
| Macer | i don't think my car has an obd2 port | 15:43 |
| Macer | motherfucker | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | did you get your 700$ n810 yet? :P | 15:43 |
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| talig | Hi everyone. I need some gtk/pygtk help. Anyone around with clues? | 15:43 |
| derf | Macer: Is your car from, like, the 80's? | 15:44 |
| derf | They were made mandatory in the US in 1996. | 15:44 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, I recommend you the second one, here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001CZJIIM/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used | 15:45 |
| VDVsx | :P | 15:45 |
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| Macer | derf: 94 :-P | 15:45 |
| derf | Should've spent $700 on a new car. | 15:45 |
| RST38h | Sts: Is it a collectible or what? | 15:45 |
| Macer | :-P | 15:45 |
| Macer | the scantool i have is only for obd2? | 15:46 |
| Macer | the bt one from scantool.net? | 15:46 |
| Macer | it says "automatic protocol detection" | 15:46 |
| Macer | so does that just mean it detects different obd2 protocols or can detect obd1 and 2 ? :) | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: i've had a commercial dropping in my front door trying to sell me a n810 for ~1549 usd. | 15:46 |
| derf | Consult your documentation. | 15:47 |
| Macer | derf: i don't have the scantool here yet ;) but i'll look on their site | 15:47 |
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| Macer | i guess most sites say my car use obd 1.5.. whatever the hell that means | 15:47 |
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| Macer | i guess when they were doing the transition. .but the only port i see on my car is teh older 12pin port | 15:47 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, It's a good deal for sure ;) | 15:48 |
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| Stskeeps | VDVsx: just as good deal as free waterboarding | 15:49 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps, lol | 15:49 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, but you need that one, to complete the collection :P, since you already have an 770,n800, n810 :P | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:49 |
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| X-Fade | jeremiah_afk: ping? | 15:54 |
| wazd | http://code.google.com/opensource/images/GSOC09_198x128.jpg <- one of the most tasteless logos I've ever seen :) | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: how'd you personally go about libconic hardcoding if you were to? | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | as in, insisting you're online | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: it makes gsoc students horny! with memories of 60s! | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | or something | 15:56 |
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| Macer | damnit | 15:57 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: draw snowflakes to describe summer - fail :D | 15:57 |
| Macer | yeah it just doesn't support it | 15:57 |
| Macer | man that sucks | 15:57 |
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| RST38h | wazd: it is a spoof of some hippie era movie title | 15:57 |
| Macer | i didn't even notice it didn't until i started to read teh repair manual | 15:57 |
| Macer | 1996 had it | 15:57 |
| Macer | so no maemo carman for me :( | 15:58 |
| Macer | not in my caprice at least which is where i wanted it | 15:58 |
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| RST38h | Macer: But you can put a machine gun in your caprice and still have place for the ammo | 15:58 |
| Macer | RST38h: i have an 09 tahoe too | 15:59 |
| Macer | but i don't want the n810 and scantool in that | 15:59 |
| Macer | i want it in the caprice | 15:59 |
| RST38h | oh | 15:59 |
| Macer | it's the only reason i bought it :( i guess i can try to find a 96 impala or caprice | 15:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: Don't get the Q. Check where libconic gets the state and make it report back the same as it would if it found the connection to be active? | 15:59 |
| Macer | and try to trade mine | 15:59 |
| Macer | but mine is in such good running conditino | 15:59 |
| Macer | which is why i wanted to trick it out with the n810 ;) | 16:00 |
| Macer | and the scan tool heh | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: yeah i guess | 16:00 |
| RST38h | Macer: Make sure you get a really big whip antenna on that Caprice | 16:01 |
| RST38h | Macer: Or better four little antennas =) | 16:01 |
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| Macer | that's so redneck | 16:02 |
| Macer | i live in chicago man. we don't do that here :) | 16:02 |
| Macer | a caprice can have a lot of class if you do it right | 16:03 |
| Macer | damn i don't want to give it up but that is going to erk me until i die haha | 16:03 |
| side- | toi | 16:04 |
| side- | whoops | 16:04 |
| VDVsx | wazd, lol | 16:05 |
| VDVsx | wazd, for your consideration: http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/downloads/list?can=2&q=logo+2008&colspec=Filename+Summary+Uploaded+Size+DownloadCount | 16:05 |
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| lamojola | I have a N800 that gets stuck in a boot loop if I boot to its SD card. Can anybody help me troubleshoot this? | 16:38 |
| lamojola | I can boot into the internal flash just fine from the boot menu. | 16:40 |
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| VDVsx | lamojola, internal SD card ? do you have some free space on the card ? | 16:42 |
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| lamojola | VDVsx, yes thanks. It's an internal SD card, not SDHC. It's only 2GB, and I do have plenty of space on it, but I must check this first, but I'm not so sure yet. It was working perfectly fine until one day it started doing this. I think it was working for like a week or maybe three weeks. | 16:46 |
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| VDVsx | lamojola, maemo need some free space to boot, just a few megas | 16:49 |
| lamojola | VDVsx, I feel like you maybe onto something, so thank you. I'm going to book Kubuntu now and look at the partition on the SD card. I feel silly :) Pity I couldn't dig this up on Maemo. I could only find stuff about MMC boot looping problems, but I didn't dig up anything about space. Yep, feeling silly. I'll report back my findings. | 16:51 |
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| cpm_ | Hi, where can I find hciconfig the Nokia N810 with Maemo4? I have bluez-utils installed, but still don't find hciconfig ... | 16:52 |
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| VDVsx | lamojola, np, it happens all the time :), and also happens to the OS on the internal flash, but can be other issue also | 16:53 |
| lamojola | VDVsx, I wish I was out of the woods already. The ext2 partition has plenty on it, 456MB, and the FAT32 has 748MB. Anything else I should try? | 16:56 |
| lamojola | That's free space, BTW. | 16:57 |
| VDVsx | lamojola, humm, dunno, can be a card problem, a missing file, I don't remember how to enable the boot messages | 17:00 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, ping | 17:00 |
| qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: pong | 17:00 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, do you know/remember how to enable the boot log ? ^^ | 17:01 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Installing sysklogd and klogd should do it. But if you need messages on the screen: http://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting | 17:02 |
| VDVsx | lamojola, ^^ | 17:04 |
| lamojola | Yes, thanks again both of you. I'm reading it now. I'm a little lost, but if I can't find my way, I'll post back how to get there. I'll also post back my finding with my error, what went wrong etc. Maybe it is a damaged SD, but I'm not sure why. More conclusive results to follow. Thanks again! | 17:06 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Oh, BTW, does anyone know how to set the window icon? I want to override the one set by hildon-desktop (which is using the icon specified in the desktop file) gtk_window_set_icon*() doesn't do shit (it's Maemo, go figure) but the browser manages to do it. | 17:06 |
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| javispedro | qwerty12_N810, did you look at how gtk adi does it? | 17:24 |
| javispedro | either way it does not seem to link to hildonwm either | 17:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: just appears to be gtk_window_set_icon() which doesn't do anything when I give it an icon | 17:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | (under Maemo) | 17:26 |
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| javispedro | and that does not surprise me since hildonwm seems to ignore the X icon | 17:27 |
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| javispedro | what surprises me is that it does not seem that any browser component at all links with hildonwm... | 17:27 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | I noticed that _NET_WM_ICON_NAME property was set after icon was changed but when I set (and it got set, I checked) it, icon remained the same | 17:29 |
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| * javispedro greps ICON_NAME -r hildon-desktop | 17:30 | |
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| javispedro | 0 refs to _NET_WM_ICON_NAME | 17:30 |
| * mgedmin assumes people know about the app <-> desktop file <-> icon relationship in maemo | 17:30 | |
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| qwerty12_N810 | mgedmin: yep, but I wish to change it after it has been set | 17:31 |
| javispedro | yep mgedmin, afaik they're trying to emulate the browser behaviour | 17:31 |
| javispedro | (displaying the favicon overlayed) | 17:31 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 17:31 |
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| mgedmin | shouldn't you be looking at _NET_WM_ICON? | 17:32 |
| javispedro | hmm | 17:32 |
| mgedmin | _NET_WM_ICON_NAME is the unicode title of the minimized window | 17:32 |
| qwerty12_N810 | _NET_WM_ICON gets set but hildon-desktop ignores it | 17:32 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ah, thanks | 17:32 |
| javispedro | if (w == 64 && h == 54) | 17:33 |
| dneary | Hi | 17:33 |
| javispedro | it searches for an icon of this size | 17:33 |
| javispedro | in the _NET_WM_ICON atom | 17:34 |
| javispedro | hi | 17:34 |
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| xnt14 | ~seen b-man16 | 17:35 |
| infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man16@cpe-98-30-195-117.woh.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 11d 11h 27m 16s ago, saying: ' '. | 17:35 |
| xnt14 | hmm :P | 17:35 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | I've been feeding it an 64x64 icon to set, let me try a 64x54 one, thanks | 17:35 |
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| JamieBennett | ping dneary :) | 17:36 |
| dneary | JamieBennett: Hello? | 17:36 |
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| dneary | What can I do you for? | 17:36 |
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| JamieBennett | meeting about the presentations? | 17:37 |
| JamieBennett | dneary: I was hoping you'd just go on IRC & ping me ;) | 17:37 |
| VDVsx | lol | 17:37 |
| dneary | JamieBennett: Oh - you're *that* Jamie Bennett | 17:37 |
| JamieBennett | :D | 17:38 |
| dneary | (/me is just yanking your chain) | 17:38 |
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| dneary | OK - I'll be in the toilet for a sec, but could one of ye start going through the presentations that still need a review (there are 3 you can talk about while I'm away at least) | 17:39 |
| JamieBennett | OK | 17:39 |
| JamieBennett | Lets start with Dave's then VDVsx | 17:39 |
| VDVsx | JamieBennett, ok | 17:40 |
| JamieBennett | Giving Great Presentations | 17:40 |
| JamieBennett | I like, yes from me | 17:40 |
| JamieBennett | and a yes from you so this can be moved to accepted? | 17:40 |
| VDVsx | yup, put the bold text there, please | 17:41 |
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| JamieBennett | mmm, nothing in the accepted bit yet? | 17:41 |
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| VDVsx | JamieBennett, yup, can be moved down also | 17:42 |
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| GAN800 | Anybody got any Linux/receipt printer experience? | 17:42 |
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| JamieBennett | Money for nothing: Making money off free software | 17:44 |
| JamieBennett | Yes from me, you? | 17:44 |
| * qwerty12_N810 wishes to write an open-source program that aids him in counterfeiting money | 17:44 | |
| mgedmin | GAN800: I've got some DOS/receipt printer experience | 17:44 |
| mgedmin | and some Windows/receipt printer experience I'm very happy to put behind be | 17:45 |
| mgedmin | s/be/me/ | 17:45 |
| infobot | mgedmin meant: and some Windows/receipt printer experience I'm very happy to put mehind be | 17:45 |
| mgedmin | that's not precisely the correction I had in mind... | 17:45 |
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| VDVsx | JamieBennett, depends on the keynote session, we have a lot of presentations already in the dev's track, wait and see for me, but I like the theme | 17:46 |
| GAN800 | Ha | 17:46 |
| javispedro | mgedmin, lol :) | 17:46 |
| JamieBennett | OK, wait and see on this one but I would like to see it if we have space. | 17:46 |
| GAN800 | mgedmin, migrating from a DOS PoS arrangement to Ubuntu as we speak. | 17:46 |
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| VDVsx | JamieBennett, me too :) | 17:46 |
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| VDVsx | JamieBennett, gonna update, next one we need dneary help | 17:47 |
| JamieBennett | I've updated and we have one more. - Maemo documentation co-creation | 17:47 |
| RST38h | GAN: No OS/2? :) | 17:47 |
| JamieBennett | Yes from me in some format but I'm wondering if a lightning talk would be better? | 17:48 |
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| JamieBennett | thoughts VDVsx | 17:48 |
| VDVsx | JamieBennett, let's ask dneary , some clarifications | 17:49 |
| VDVsx | dneary, already here ? | 17:49 |
| JamieBennett | I can see the subject as either. A talk in the user track (which we need) or a short to-the-point lightning session, more of an overview, update and call for help. | 17:50 |
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| VDVsx | JamieBennett, seems good, but I'm not sure about dave's planes for the session | 17:51 |
| JamieBennett | OK, back in a minute then, waiting for dneary | 17:52 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, 98SE | 17:53 |
| RST38h | Umgh! | 17:53 |
| RST38h | It's somewhat of a progress from OS/2 though | 17:53 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It could've been ME... | 17:53 |
| slonopotamus | anyone knows the proper way to determine mtd OTP area size? | 17:54 |
| dneary | JamieBennett, VDVsx: Backtracking | 17:55 |
| RST38h | qwerty: It could not. ME does not live longer than 6 months or so | 17:55 |
| RST38h | Then it usually eats itself from inside out and dies | 17:56 |
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| * Jaffa needs to ensure that the "content committee" fall under the proposals for sponsorship at tier #1 :) | 17:56 | |
| GAN800 | If I can get the inventory control/PoS software to play nice in Wine I'll be there. | 17:56 |
| dneary | VDVsx: I didn't think of the "Money for nothing" presentation as being for devs necessarily | 17:56 |
| Jaffa | But I suspect VDVsx and JamieBennett already do; and dneary's catered for by Nokia | 17:56 |
| dneary | In fact, most of the people who make money off free software aren't devs at all :) | 17:56 |
| VDVsx | dneary, you put dev's there :P sort of | 17:57 |
| dneary | If you really want a keynote, there's another topic I think might be appropriate. The title could be something like "Jeez, how hard can it be to get this stuff right?" | 17:57 |
| JamieBennett | :) | 17:57 |
| JamieBennett | dneary: I see the money for nothing as more of a user track, no? | 17:58 |
| JamieBennett | i.e. using free software to make money not creating it? | 17:58 |
| dneary | JamieBennett: I can certainly do the docs update as a lightning talk, but it'll be fast & furious and intense. I have some nice ideas for making it a fast & furious 20 min presentation too though | 17:58 |
| JamieBennett | dneary: For me either is fine (and we have space in the user track). | 17:59 |
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| dneary | JamieBennett: I was definitely going to talk about the Dutch coins in my "making money from free software" presentation | 17:59 |
| xnt14 | qwerty12_N810, ;P | 17:59 |
| dneary | I was also going to talk about a guy who paints custom twenty dollar bills with his face instead of the president, and offers them in bars & restaurants as payment | 18:00 |
| dneary | Most places accept it, and frame the notes | 18:00 |
| dneary | Great story | 18:00 |
| JamieBennett | dneary: :) Sounds good to me. VDVsx has some doubts | 18:01 |
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| dneary | And it's not counterfeit, because to make counterfeit money, a reasonable person has to think that it might be real money | 18:01 |
| VDVsx | about the doc's presentation -> if you planes pass for convince more people from the community to help the maemo docs team, i definitely vote yes for a full session | 18:01 |
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| dneary | And then that leads into the story of how you might do that with xsane and the GIMP | 18:01 |
| VDVsx | dneary, if users: yes else wait and see :) | 18:02 |
| dneary | But of course you can't do it with Photoshop, because PS detects that you're trying to open a scanned bank-note, and disabled the program on you | 18:02 |
| dneary | VDVsx: I'll keep it high level | 18:02 |
| VDVsx | dneary, seems a very intresting presentation for the users track | 18:02 |
| dneary | That'll only be the into | 18:02 |
| dneary | intro | 18:02 |
| JamieBennett | OK, to summarize, docs talk in user track as a full session and making money also in user track. Yes? | 18:02 |
| dneary | (of course, now we're in a situation I had hoped to avoid, where I have privileged access to the guys choosing & I'm convincing you :) | 18:03 |
| VDVsx | JamieBennett, yes here :) | 18:03 |
| dneary | And the presentations lightning talk? | 18:03 |
| VDVsx | dneary, lol | 18:04 |
| Jaffa | dneary: the old adage of "it's not what you know, but who you know" isn't always a negative ;-) | 18:04 |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, what do you offer to us, to we accept your presentation ? :P | 18:04 |
| * Jaffa 's noticed there are a few things which are similar | 18:04 | |
| JamieBennett | dneary: If we have room you could do an intro to the docs and tell them to go the full session but keep it as a full session for now. | 18:04 |
| JamieBennett | not lightning | 18:05 |
| Jaffa | So won't be too upset if you decline it (in particular, I have hopes that PyQt will be fantastic; and a demo of how good Maemo dev _could_ be would be superfluous; as we'd have it) | 18:05 |
| Jaffa | Worse case; mine can be lightning | 18:05 |
| dneary | JamieBennett: Honestly, the docs will be a summary of where we are, and where we want to go | 18:05 |
| JamieBennett | Other session, presentation talk, yes from both of us | 18:05 |
| dneary | So it could potentially be pessimistic | 18:05 |
| * Jaffa just wanted some sponsorship as he's broke ;-) | 18:05 | |
| dneary | But I like to think of the success of, say the proof-reading of the HIG, the moves towards early publishing of docs and the success of the new wiki being very positive break-throughs | 18:06 |
| * JamieBennett moving dneary's talks to accepted. | 18:06 | |
| dneary | JamieBennett: Will you be sending the acceptance email, or should I? | 18:06 |
| JamieBennett | lol | 18:06 |
| VDVsx | lol | 18:06 |
| dneary | Jaffa: In fact, I was voting not to accept yours | 18:07 |
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| dneary | Jaffa: I'm sure you'll get there, though :) | 18:08 |
| VDVsx | dneary, JamieBennett , can we start now in the 'wait and see' submissions again ? just to take another deeper look | 18:08 |
| Jaffa | dneary: Here's hoping | 18:08 |
| JamieBennett | I think we have enough stars for the liqbase-playground to be accepted | 18:09 |
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| JamieBennett | yes? | 18:09 |
| dneary | Jaffa: You could give a presentation on something tmo relared? | 18:09 |
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| VDVsx | JamieBennett, sure | 18:09 |
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| JamieBennett | OK moving | 18:09 |
| Jaffa | dneary: "tmo: how to waste time and rot your brain?" | 18:09 |
| Jaffa | dneary: May not be positive enough | 18:09 |
| dneary | JamieBennett: As I noted, there are enough stars presenting to make a Fremantle Stars keynote, yes | 18:09 |
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| dneary | Jaffa: That would be a talk I'd go to see :) | 18:10 |
| VDVsx | we can ask for a cool presentation around tmo : "How to rant about maemo/nokia" :P | 18:10 |
| VDVsx | hand on session, of course :) | 18:10 |
| Jaffa | VDVsx: heh | 18:11 |
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| JamieBennett | dneary, VDVsx, Evangelizing Mer, and Tips on Promoting Your Own Project | 18:11 |
| JamieBennett | Moving to no? | 18:11 |
| VDVsx | I think dneary add something new, let me check | 18:11 |
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| JamieBennett | On reflection, I think that this is not a great and potentially interesting session to a large number of people. Voting no. --Dave Neary 13:48, 31 July 2009 (UTC) | 18:11 |
| dneary | VDVsx: Yeah, I added a "no" | 18:11 |
| lcuk5 | JamieBennett, liqbase-playground as an hour on my own? | 18:12 |
| VDVsx | dneary, fine for me, I agree partly with your last thoughts | 18:12 |
| * Jaffa weighs in - since you're having the meeting here - that it *is* interesting why some projects succeed in gathering a community; and others don't. | 18:12 | |
| * lcuk5 apologises for late return | 18:12 | |
| Jaffa | But I dunno if that's what the topic would address. | 18:13 |
| JamieBennett | lcuk5 Have you resubmitted with the proposal of what you are to talk about for an hour? | 18:13 |
| JamieBennett | Jaffa, that would be a community talk rather than a Mer one though | 18:13 |
| Jaffa | JamieBennett: Fair enough. | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | this talk wouldn't be mer-specific, but serve as inspiration for other projects too really | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | (imho) | 18:14 |
| * Jaffa shuts up now. | 18:14 | |
| lcuk5 | no but your comment is ambiguous, i cannot tell whether i am talking alone or if you have done anything else with the time | 18:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: you, sir, are the shit | 18:14 |
| javispedro | hah | 18:14 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly where to upload a mugshot to maemo.org | 18:14 | |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: ...and he's the dogs' bollocks. But it's probably worth emphasising that (in UK English at least) these are *good* things | 18:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | (it's a compliment :P) | 18:15 |
| JamieBennett | lcuk5 From the wiki page - Fremantle Stars Presentation including liqbase-playground | 18:15 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, user settings. | 18:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: :) | 18:15 |
| VDVsx | lcuk5, Fremantle Stars plenary session, 10 to 15 mins each Session confirmed, at least OMWeather, OSM2Go, liqbase and Mauku will present | 18:15 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, from the Midgard toolbar. | 18:15 |
| JamieBennett | dneary, VDVsx - How to speed up your Maemo application development | 18:15 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, click save then it'll give you more options. | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: page->edit account doesn't let me upload or anything | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 18:16 |
| GAN800 | Super intuitive | 18:16 |
| lcuk5 | VDVsx, JamieBennett ok sounds ideal :) | 18:16 |
| dneary | JamieBennett: Not sure what that last comment to lcuk5 was about | 18:16 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: http://maemo.org/profile/publish/ | 18:16 |
| dneary | JamieBennett: Still wait & see for me | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: ta, aiming up for putting a blog on planet for once :P | 18:17 |
| JamieBennett | dneary: lcuk5 asked if he had to talk for an hour, I gave him the talk title from the wiki | 18:17 |
| dneary | Ah | 18:17 |
| VDVsx | JamieBennett, dneary , same here, but I like the topic, and might have some potential | 18:17 |
| dneary | lcuk5: No, you're not talking for an hour, a one hour slot will be shared by all the Fremantle stars | 18:17 |
| JamieBennett | OK, so a wait and see for that one then | 18:17 |
| JamieBennett | still | 18:17 |
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| JamieBennett | dneary, VDVsx, Creating Python bindings for C libraries in Maemo | 18:17 |
| dneary | JamieBennett: You saw the other Stars that had replied already? | 18:18 |
| lcuk5 | yes dneary i gathered that now - i didnt at first since i put myself down alone :) | 18:18 |
| dneary | OSM2Go, OMWeather, Mauku | 18:18 |
| dneary | And one definite no, Vagalume | 18:18 |
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| JamieBennett | dneary: yes, just confirming that this was critical mass for the presentation | 18:18 |
| dneary | lcuk5: We could get you to talk all day, if you want ;) | 18:18 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810, :) . Thank mgadmin too, he told us about the X atoms :) | 18:18 |
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| VDVsx | dneary, lol | 18:18 |
| dneary | JamieBennett: Yes, that works out at 15 mins each. 5 or 6 would be even better | 18:18 |
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| lcuk5 | heh dave - in amsterdam anything is possible | 18:19 |
| lcuk5 | we havin the summit in a coffee shop? | 18:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Thanks mgedmin :) | 18:19 |
| mgedmin | for what? | 18:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | The X atom stuff | 18:19 |
| mgedmin | oh, the atoms | 18:19 |
| * lcuk5 works again thanks for clarifications will read scrollback later | 18:20 | |
| aquatix | lcuk5: *sigh* | 18:20 |
| JamieBennett | ^ thoughts on that presentation? | 18:20 |
| aquatix | lcuk5: like all amsterdam consists of coffee shops ;) | 18:20 |
| * mgedmin was once very interested in X11 and read the ICCCM and the EWH spec | 18:20 | |
| aquatix | mgedmin: it only went downhill from there? | 18:21 |
| javispedro | one can lose interest in X11quicly, it appears to me like a gigabyte mess | 18:21 |
| VDVsx | JamieBennett, dneary my thoughts are there, again not trying to be harsh, by the flow in -devel ML, the proponent don't seems to me a expert in the proposed topic, at least atm | 18:21 |
| lcuk5 | aquatix, if i'm made to stand up and talk all day, perhaps thats the only sustainable method lol | 18:21 |
| aquatix | :) | 18:22 |
| dneary | Sorry ye've lost me | 18:22 |
| dneary | What presentation now? | 18:22 |
| VDVsx | Creating Python bindings for C libraries in Maemo | 18:23 |
| dneary | Ah | 18:24 |
| dneary | Yeah, no from me | 18:24 |
| JamieBennett | OK, moving to no. | 18:24 |
| dneary | Better to push Andy80 to give a RAD with Python on Maemo presentation | 18:24 |
| JamieBennett | dneary, VDVsx - Developments in The Qt WebKit Integration | 18:25 |
| dneary | But then the PyQt guy will feel jealous :) | 18:25 |
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| dneary | JamieBennett: I really have no opinion, leaving the choice up to you guys | 18:25 |
| dneary | VDVsx: What do you think of QtWebkit? | 18:25 |
| VDVsx | seems better now, with the explanation of the proponent | 18:26 |
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| VDVsx | only reading the description i would say no, because I had the same doubts that dneary | 18:27 |
| VDVsx | had | 18:27 |
| JamieBennett | Not sure if it would be compelling as a presentation | 18:27 |
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| dneary | VDVsx: Original author added a comment | 18:27 |
| JamieBennett | This would be platform, yes? | 18:27 |
| VDVsx | can be | 18:28 |
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| JamieBennett | I'm really on the fence, not feeling it either way | 18:28 |
| JamieBennett | Is it considered such a big part of the framework to warrent a presentation? | 18:29 |
| VDVsx | but, Qt webkit is very powerful and you can use it as a regular widget inside a app, so will be also good for dev's track | 18:29 |
| dneary | Know who I want to come give a presentation for system developers? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30607 | 18:29 |
| VDVsx | slonopotamus, ^^^:P | 18:30 |
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| JamieBennett | dneary: Yes | 18:30 |
| slonopotamus | VDVsx, uh? | 18:30 |
| VDVsx | slonopotamus, line above mine | 18:30 |
| JamieBennett | slonopotamus: Submit a proposal to come talk at the Maemo Summit! | 18:31 |
| JamieBennett | about what you are doing | 18:31 |
| VDVsx | JamieBennett, so wait and see also ?, I tempted to accept grrrr | 18:31 |
| JamieBennett | I'll abstain (I'm easy either way). If you vote yes it will be accepted | 18:32 |
| slonopotamus | nah, no time to talk, only time to code :) | 18:32 |
| VDVsx | slonopotamus, lol | 18:32 |
| VDVsx | JamieBennett, I'm just afraid that we fill all the dev's slots now :( | 18:33 |
| dneary | slonopotamus: You're here? | 18:33 |
| dneary | Cool | 18:33 |
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| dneary | slonopotamus: You should do it, for sure | 18:34 |
| dneary | I just emailed you | 18:34 |
| mend0za | can anyone told, what kind of WiMAX chip used in WiMAX Edition | 18:34 |
| slonopotamus | dneary, no way. my daughter has been born 2 weeks ago, wife won't be happy if i go somewhere :) | 18:34 |
| mend0za | and driver name for it | 18:35 |
| dneary | slonopotamus: I will ensure that your travel expenses are paid... | 18:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | mend0za: driver name is pc2400m | 18:35 |
| mend0za | dmesg also will be good | 18:35 |
| dneary | slonopotamus: At least, I'll do my best | 18:35 |
| mend0za | qwerty12_N810: Intel one ? | 18:35 |
| Jaffa | slonopotamus: It's only for a few days in October. While off yet. | 18:35 |
| dneary | The kid'll be 3 months old - almost old enoughh to start working | 18:36 |
| qwerty12_N810 | mend0za: appears it | 18:36 |
| * Jaffa 's missus is talking about bringing herself and the kids | 18:36 | |
| Jaffa | I can't think *why* she wouldn't trust me in Amsterdam ;-) | 18:36 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Getting high can be a family activity! ;P | 18:36 |
| mend0za | qwerty12_N810: ok, got it, thanks a lot! | 18:36 |
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| VDVsx | JamieBennett, so wait and see, or plataform track ? | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: sent planets request :) | 18:37 |
| JamieBennett | If you want it there, platform track | 18:37 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: What's the URL so we can have a sneak peak? | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: http://mer-project.blogspot.com/ | 18:37 |
| VDVsx | JamieBennett, fine for me, plataform is empty now :) | 18:37 |
| JamieBennett | OK, moving to accepted | 18:38 |
| JamieBennett | dneary, VDVsx, Development Nirvana: How Maemo Application Development Should Be | 18:38 |
| VDVsx | JamieBennett, put a note about the track,please | 18:38 |
| JamieBennett | ok | 18:38 |
| dneary | JamieBennett, VDVsx: Sorry Jaffa, but I vote no on this one | 18:38 |
| VDVsx | it's a very important topic, IMO, but don't know if this will fill a full session, depens on Jaffa's planes | 18:39 |
| dneary | It's all too easy to present an idealised environment | 18:39 |
| dneary | Much prefer realpolitik approaches to improving the way things are, rather than presenting Nirvanae | 18:39 |
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| lamojola | I can't export OSSO_VERSION=$(cat /etc/osso_software_version) per http://wiki.maemo.org/Troubleshooting_boot_issues | 18:39 |
| VDVsx | dneary, hard to maemo implement one :P | 18:39 |
| dneary | Jaffa: Would you be interested in condensing your thoughts on this to 5 mins for a lightning talk? | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | meh, wasn't that bad, taken a year so far :P | 18:40 |
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| dneary | VDVsx: See slonopotamus for proof to the contrary :) | 18:40 |
| JamieBennett | dneary has a point. I like the subject but mayby not a presentation. | 18:41 |
| VDVsx | dneary, I'm talking about dev tools, an integrated and easy sdk , see androind and palm sdk, diff approach | 18:41 |
| JamieBennett | *maybe* | 18:41 |
| VDVsx | also my concerns | 18:42 |
| dneary | Jaffa: Still here? | 18:42 |
| dneary | OK - moving on for the moment | 18:44 |
| Jaffa | dneary: Soryry - talking to colleague | 18:44 |
| Jaffa | Lightning talk doable. | 18:44 |
| dneary | Jaffa: How dare you talk to a colleague during work hours | 18:44 |
| * Jaffa happy with that. | 18:44 | |
| JamieBennett | :) | 18:44 |
| dneary | You should be fully concentrated on IRC | 18:44 |
| Jaffa | dneary: I try to minimise it. We usually either agree or argue ;-) | 18:44 |
| * JamieBennett taking a break from iPhone *and* android programming at the same time :) | 18:45 | |
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| Jaffa | JamieBennett: :) | 18:45 |
| VDVsx | ok, LT then ? | 18:45 |
| JamieBennett | OK for me | 18:45 |
| lcuk5 | JamieBennett, simultaneously? | 18:46 |
| lcuk5 | one in each hand? :D | 18:46 |
| JamieBennett | lcuk5 of course ;) | 18:46 |
| lcuk5 | you da man! | 18:46 |
| javispedro | you're lying, the iphone can't be done with one hand ;) | 18:46 |
| JamieBennett | lcuk5 moving an app from iPhone to android :( | 18:46 |
| JamieBennett | lcuk5 big different (Obj-C -> Java) two different code editors, two different styles ..., the list goes on ! | 18:47 |
| dneary | OK - Live Outdoor Event | 18:47 |
| JamieBennett | stop, dneary your fine with jaffa's lightning talk yes, if so moving to accepted | 18:48 |
| dneary | OSM2Go + GPXView | 18:48 |
| dneary | JamieBennett: Yup | 18:48 |
| dneary | JamieBennett: Given that I suggested it :°) | 18:48 |
| JamieBennett | dneary, just checking ;P | 18:48 |
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| VDVsx | JamieBennett, move also the Qt webkit and pymaemo bindings to rejected | 18:49 |
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| VDVsx | JamieBennett, Qt webkit to accepted | 18:49 |
| JamieBennett | VDVsx: Done, just keeping the window open whilst I edit, not saved yet | 18:49 |
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| dneary | VDVsx: I'll take care of the proposals page | 18:49 |
| dneary | For the moment, I think the right thing to do is just note the decision | 18:50 |
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| dneary | I'll move the abstracts & clean up afterwards | 18:50 |
| lopz | hola | 18:50 |
| VDVsx | dneary, ok | 18:50 |
| JamieBennett | dneary: wiki page has been edited already | 18:50 |
| dneary | (if no-one minds, I'll schedule my presentations on different days | 18:50 |
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| VDVsx | Jamie is only editing the talk page | 18:50 |
| JamieBennett | sorry, yes | 18:50 |
| dneary | JamieBennett: No problem. I'll try to figure it out | 18:50 |
| JamieBennett | ^ I like the Life outdoor talk proposal | 18:51 |
| dneary | So - the geoclue talk (OSM2Go & GPXView) | 18:51 |
| JamieBennett | I vote yes as lightning talk | 18:51 |
| dneary | Moved to Fremantle Stars | 18:51 |
| dneary | OSM2Go is a Fremantle Star | 18:52 |
| dneary | No? | 18:52 |
| VDVsx | dneary, yes | 18:52 |
| VDVsx | but, I also agree with Jamie's points, I think we have room for another LT around geocaching in that stuff | 18:52 |
| VDVsx | with maemo devices of course :) | 18:53 |
| JamieBennett | Depends on if there is overlap with the two talks. If they are different I vote yes | 18:53 |
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| VDVsx | we can ask Till, about that | 18:53 |
| JamieBennett | OK, so wait and see pending response from Till | 18:54 |
| JamieBennett | dneary, VDVsx, Writing plugins for MAFW | 18:55 |
| VDVsx | humm, accepted that one for the keynote session, and ask for a more geocaching oriented LT ? | 18:55 |
| JamieBennett | VDVsx, yes | 18:55 |
| VDVsx | MAFW : "Presentation (Tutorial)" -> maybe a BoF ?, we have a available room | 18:56 |
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| VDVsx | S/BoF/hands on session/ | 18:56 |
| JamieBennett | dneary:? | 18:57 |
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| dneary | JamieBennett, VDVsx: I'm willing to bow to your better judgement on this one too | 18:57 |
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| dneary | VDVsx: Agreed on asking for a geocaching LT too | 18:58 |
| dneary | Perhaps a more general "location in Maemo" LT | 18:58 |
| JamieBennett | VDVsx: Just worried that if it is a BOF it may attract less audience | 18:58 |
| JamieBennett | dneary: agreed | 18:58 |
| VDVsx | dneary, yup | 18:58 |
| VDVsx | MAFW : IMO, it's very interesting for a hands on session, but not so much for a session | 18:58 |
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| dneary | VDVsx: I can see how it might be a great session for the right audience | 18:59 |
| VDVsx | according to the description provided, of course | 18:59 |
| dneary | VDVsx: I'm just not sure how big the audience is, thus my deference to you two :) | 18:59 |
| JamieBennett | dneary, that is my worry | 18:59 |
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| JamieBennett | VDVsx: BOF sounds better after re-reading the abstract but I have my concerns at the potential audience size | 19:01 |
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| VDVsx | the room seems small :P | 19:01 |
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| JamieBennett | OK, I'm going to say wait and see what else comes in | 19:02 |
| VDVsx | can also be added to plataform | 19:02 |
| VDVsx | JamieBennett, fine for me | 19:02 |
| JamieBennett | dneary, VDVsx, Creating packages for the Maemo platform | 19:02 |
| VDVsx | yes | 19:02 |
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| JamieBennett | yes | 19:03 |
| dneary | JamieBennett: Yes | 19:03 |
| JamieBennett | moving | 19:04 |
| dneary | But I've asked Jeremiah to give a more complete summary | 19:04 |
| JamieBennett | OK | 19:04 |
| dneary | I want to make sure that he & Andre have thought through what they're presenting | 19:04 |
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| lardman | afternoon all | 19:04 |
| VDVsx | hello lardman :) | 19:05 |
| JamieBennett | dneary, VDVsx, GUPnP and Rygel: The UPnP/DLNA solution for Maemo | 19:05 |
| dneary | I say a big maybe! | 19:05 |
| JamieBennett | Confirm that it is as we hope? | 19:05 |
| dneary | JamieBennett: As I commented, I think this'd make a great user presentation | 19:05 |
| VDVsx | users oriented yes, I think we have to wait for zeenix reply | 19:05 |
| JamieBennett | OK | 19:06 |
| JamieBennett | dneary, VDVsx, Handheld Glom: Easy database applications. | 19:06 |
| dneary | Something like "Set up your N810 as a home entertainment system using Rygel and GUPnP" or something like that | 19:06 |
| dneary | JamieBennett: Yes from me | 19:06 |
| dneary | Nice app, problem domain that is somewhat interesting | 19:07 |
| wirelessdreamer | wtb n900 rumors so I can get a device and start dev work | 19:07 |
| dneary | And quick DB backed applications represent about 80% of all applications out there :) | 19:07 |
| JamieBennett | dneary: Is that a yes as a user or dev talk as the author says its definitely a dev talk? | 19:07 |
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| JamieBennett | (yes for me for a dev talk BTW) | 19:07 |
| dneary | glom is a developer application - it's like a form creator | 19:08 |
| dneary | so yes as app dev talk | 19:08 |
| JamieBennett | dneary: I know, just going by your comment on the wiki. | 19:08 |
| JamieBennett | VDVsx:? | 19:08 |
| VDVsx | I don't know glom, don't know the relevance that it has inside maemo :( | 19:08 |
| VDVsx | but I trust you guys :) | 19:08 |
| dneary | right | 19:08 |
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| dneary | VDVsx: the thing that attracts me is that it is not meta | 19:09 |
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| JamieBennett | VDVsx: many many handheld apps need some kind of DB for storage | 19:09 |
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| dneary | it's showing off a useful application | 19:09 |
| JamieBennett | OK, moving to accepted | 19:09 |
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| JamieBennett | dneary, VDVsx, that leaves maemo.org Bug Management | 19:10 |
| VDVsx | JamieBennett, nah nah, another Qt one there :P | 19:10 |
| VDVsx | but yes for Andre's proposal | 19:11 |
| JamieBennett | VDVsx: Ah hiding underneath :) | 19:11 |
| dneary | Yes, but want a bigger summary :) | 19:11 |
| VDVsx | JamieBennett, I put it there, a couple of hours ago :) | 19:11 |
| JamieBennett | dneary: :) Moving to accepted but we still want to see more summary | 19:12 |
| JamieBennett | dneary, VDVsx, Automatic binding generation for Qt based libraries | 19:12 |
| VDVsx | seems python bindings again | 19:12 |
| dneary | Tempted to say yes because it's Marcelo | 19:12 |
| dneary | but I think it's not the Marcelo I think it is | 19:13 |
| VDVsx | nop | 19:13 |
| JamieBennett | No | 19:13 |
| VDVsx | not marcelo eduardo | 19:13 |
| VDVsx | another one | 19:13 |
| JamieBennett | I have an issue with the potential audience size again | 19:13 |
| dneary | and overlap wit the pyqt presentation | 19:14 |
| JamieBennett | dneary, indeed | 19:14 |
| dneary | let's say wait & see | 19:14 |
| JamieBennett | OK | 19:14 |
| dneary | I'd like to see where we stand with spots filled, spots available (per track) and stuff we want to have and don't yet | 19:14 |
| JamieBennett | dneary: we discussed yours as you probably read in the backchat with just one being a wait and see. | 19:15 |
| JamieBennett | ^ yes, I'll like to see the timetable filled in | 19:15 |
| dneary | So that we start pro-actively hassling people like slonopotamus to present their stuff who haven't signed up yet | 19:15 |
| VDVsx | basically it's the same topics as the python- c bindings proposal, but this time is c++ - python bindings | 19:15 |
| dneary | What ever happened to that other Maemo-based distribution from OpenBossa that was getting worked on last yearN | 19:15 |
| JamieBennett | I'm ready to say no to it | 19:15 |
| dneary | Abandoned in favour of Mer? | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | mamona? | 19:15 |
| JamieBennett | mamona never really took off | 19:16 |
| dneary | Stskeeps: Yeah, Mamona | 19:16 |
| Jaffa | dneary: It's been being worked on for years - but they did do a presentation on it last year | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: seemingily it's still active | 19:16 |
| VDVsx | they use it at least, afaik | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind seeing a presentation of them about how their project has been going and lessons to be learned, actually | 19:16 |
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| * rkirti has never understood how Mamona functions..... :-( They use oe but have no buildable image | 19:16 | |
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| Stskeeps | rkirti: i personally see mamona as yet another mobile distribution tangenting towards using enlightenment and slowly dying from touching it | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | but mer has a lot of their tricks and tips in it. | 19:17 |
| * javispedro likes the name, is in fact some spanish female insult | 19:17 | |
| rkirti | Stskeeps: for instance ? | 19:17 |
| rkirti | ouch. | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | rkirti: like some of their cx3110x work and networkmanager things, etc | 19:18 |
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| rkirti | I see | 19:18 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, don't know the meaning :P | 19:18 |
| javispedro | VDVsx, http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mam%C3%B3n#Spanish | 19:19 |
| rkirti | iirc,they claimed it was some plant name ..adding as a (lame) joke that it could also be a play on the names maemo and canola | 19:19 |
| dneary | I've heard of others considering Enlightenment recently | 19:19 |
| dneary | What does E have going for it? | 19:19 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, eheeh, work partially for Portuguese also :P | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: it looks shiny but due to the constant development your application will suddenly have no toolkit updates for the thing it uses, etc.. | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | i admit it is cool, but every distribution that starts to use it slowly rots | 19:20 |
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| dneary | VDVsx: JamieBennett: Can we agree on Wait & See until we see where we're at right now for that Qt bindings one? | 19:21 |
| VDVsx | dneary, yes | 19:21 |
| JamieBennett | dneary: yes | 19:21 |
| javispedro | hey | 19:21 |
| JamieBennett | I think that done isn't it? | 19:21 |
| dneary | Cool! | 19:21 |
| JamieBennett | dneary, VDVsx:? | 19:21 |
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| dneary | We're done | 19:21 |
| VDVsx | JamieBennett, yes | 19:21 |
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| JamieBennett | :) | 19:21 |
| dneary | Took longer than I expected | 19:21 |
| javispedro | have you seen all the Trac spam lately? | 19:21 |
| dneary | Thanks guys! | 19:21 |
| dneary | And happy holidays! | 19:21 |
| JamieBennett | dneary: No problem. | 19:21 |
| javispedro | it does contain legible comments! | 19:21 |
| VDVsx | JamieBennett, dneary next round in Sep :) | 19:21 |
| JamieBennett | :) | 19:22 |
| javispedro | example: http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona/ticket/155#comment:2 | 19:22 |
| * JamieBennett goes back to iPhone/Android development | 19:22 | |
| dneary | Stskeeps: Slowly rots? | 19:22 |
| * javispedro is impressed and will for sure check the interface to confirm if it works then buy some cheap nike shoes | 19:22 | |
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| dneary | Stskeeps: In fact, the pattern I've seen is that slowly rotting distributions jump to E as if it will solve all their GTK+ problems | 19:22 |
| dneary | Stskeeps: Perhaps that's unfair but it seems that way. It looks to me like blaming the wrong cause for failure | 19:23 |
| VDVsx | E is some much fun and powerful compared to GTK+ | 19:24 |
| * VDVsx hides | 19:24 | |
| dneary | Anyone with an evening to lose - endless source material for presentations here: http://www.publicdomaintorrents.com | 19:24 |
| * VDVsx go play with accelerometers | 19:25 | |
| dneary | Another evening to lose learning from the best: | 19:25 |
| dneary | http://www.ted.com/ | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: interesting angle | 19:25 |
| dneary | Stskeeps: You know the Latin saying "Post hoc ergo propter hoc"? | 19:25 |
| javispedro | ah, you're thinking putting that "Sorry, I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave" scene then slowly fading to bugs.maemo.org ? ;) | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: yeah - gotta eat now :P | 19:26 |
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| dneary | javispedro: No, I was thinking of clipping scenes from old Flash Gordon episodes & stringing them together in Pitivi with voice-overs of funny techie nature to make a lightning presentation | 19:27 |
| javispedro | heh :) | 19:27 |
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| talig | I need some pygtk help, any available? | 19:53 |
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| lardman | talig: try me :) | 19:56 |
| talig | lardman: Thanks. I need to open a dialog with a textbox... | 19:57 |
| lardman | create the dialog, add a textbox object to it, display? | 19:58 |
| lardman | dialogs have a vbox in them by default | 19:58 |
| talig | lardman: gotcha | 19:58 |
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| lardman | http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/sec-Dialogs.html | 19:58 |
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| lardman | adds a label, but same thing | 19:59 |
| talig | lardman: I somehow ended up with "InputDialog". Meh. | 19:59 |
| * lcuk5 karate chops lardman | 19:59 | |
| lardman | yeah, I don't know if there;s a special shortcut function | 19:59 |
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| lardman | thanks lcuk5 :) | 19:59 |
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| lcuk5 | :D | 20:01 |
| lcuk5 | damn been called out, but i had a full weekend that started amazingly then went downhill with a thud | 20:02 |
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| talig | lardman: textbox == GtkText or something else? | 20:03 |
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| GAN800 | I really need to find something that'll keep fingerprints (or faceprints) off glass. . . . | 20:12 |
| VDVsx | JamieBennett, dneary, still here? | 20:13 |
| dneary | yup | 20:13 |
| dneary | JamieBennett is gone, I think | 20:13 |
| VDVsx | dneary, forget to talk about "go-to market..." session, you added it to user track :) | 20:15 |
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| slonopotamus | 'Creating Python bindings for C libraries in Maemo' does it differ somehow from creating bindings in other distros? | 20:18 |
| VDVsx | nop | 20:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Yes. You have scratchbox. ;P | 20:19 |
| * slonopotamus doesn't | 20:20 | |
| lcuk5 | GAN800, buy an axe. cant leave fingerprints if you have no fingers | 20:20 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, does that include chopping little childrens' faces off? | 20:20 |
| dneary | VDVsx: Ah | 20:20 |
| dneary | Yeah | 20:20 |
| lcuk5 | whatever makes you happy | 20:20 |
| dneary | We can move it later | 20:20 |
| dneary | We're agreed that it's accepted | 20:21 |
| VDVsx | yes | 20:21 |
| VDVsx | in dev's track :) | 20:21 |
| VDVsx | slonopotamus, what do you use ? some custom toolchain ? | 20:21 |
| lardman | on-device only iirc | 20:22 |
| VDVsx | that means lcuk's toolchain :P | 20:23 |
| qwerty12_N810 | hehe | 20:23 |
| lardman | I wondered what LCC stood for ;) | 20:24 |
| lcuk5 | o_O | 20:24 |
| lcuk5 | my toolchain is very simple (apart from the fudging package bit..) | 20:25 |
| * lcuk5 spits and curses at packaging | 20:25 | |
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| * lcuk5 had to cope all the way till saturday night with no bacon | 20:26 | |
| * lardman orders an emergency airdrop | 20:27 | |
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| lardman | you probably need an epipen, to counteract the effects of no bacon, on these rare occasions | 20:27 |
| lcuk5 | the only other thing missing from the weekend was an axe | 20:27 |
| lardman | you suffered from smudgy glass too? | 20:28 |
| dneary | Hrm | 20:28 |
| RST38h | moo all | 20:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | hi RST38h | 20:28 |
| lcuk5 | no, we were annoyed at the guy that bought all the food, packed all the food, drove over to camp, unpacked, put tents up started bbq's then realised he had left the bacon in his fridge | 20:28 |
| lardman | hi RST38h | 20:29 |
| dneary | VDVsx: I wish that JamieBennett had left the presentation abstracts where they were so that I could copy & paste them to the relevant schedule pages | 20:29 |
| lcuk5 | we were going to coerce him into going back and geting it | 20:29 |
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| lcuk5 | and failing that, human bacon wouldv done | 20:29 |
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| lcuk5 | hey RST38h \o | 20:29 |
| RST38h | heya lardman, lcuk, how are things? =) | 20:29 |
| lcuk5 | im actually quite good | 20:30 |
| RST38h | life is full of bacon? =) | 20:30 |
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| VDVsx | dneary, he didn't removed the abstracts, did he ? | 20:30 |
| dneary | Never mind | 20:30 |
| dneary | Yes, he didn't | 20:30 |
| lcuk5 | its a wiki isnt it | 20:30 |
| lcuk5 | it has history? | 20:30 |
| * lcuk5 reads double unplus good speak | 20:30 | |
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| lcuk5 | lardman, hows the python goin | 20:33 |
| lcuk5 | you relaxing with it now | 20:33 |
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| xnt14 | hmm | 20:36 |
| xnt14 | ~seen b-man16 | 20:36 |
| infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man16@cpe-98-30-195-117.woh.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 11d 14h 28m 9s ago, saying: ' '. | 20:36 |
| xnt14 | lol | 20:36 |
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| slonopotamus | VDVsx, i use on-device gentoo :P | 20:52 |
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| slonopotamus | on-device maemo is usable too, if you build normal coreutils | 20:53 |
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| k-s | VDVsx: someone removed my presentation from summit? | 20:59 |
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| VDVsx | k-s, nop | 21:02 |
| VDVsx | k-s, http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Schedule/Day_2#Canola_application_and_framework_for_rich_GUI | 21:02 |
| k-s | ah, it was "parsed and categorized" already? | 21:02 |
| VDVsx | yes | 21:02 |
| k-s | :-) | 21:03 |
| VDVsx | k-s, day2 at 11.30 | 21:03 |
| k-s | good | 21:03 |
| VDVsx | you can see it here : http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Schedule | 21:03 |
| k-s | yep, thanks | 21:03 |
| k-s | kenneth just asked me as he is subscribed and saw my talk was not there anymore, then I was scared :-D | 21:04 |
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| VDVsx | k-s, also note that the presentation in the users track at the same time, will be moved, since it's a dev's presentation | 21:04 |
| k-s | ok | 21:05 |
| VDVsx | k-s, we only removed it from the talk page, in order to clean up things :) | 21:05 |
| k-s | sure | 21:06 |
| k-s | i understand | 21:06 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:08 |
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| kenneth | VDVsx, if it is possible I would prefer my talk on one of the first days, as im going to the Qt Developer Days straight after the summit | 21:20 |
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| eichi | hello | 21:26 |
| eichi | someone uses navit? | 21:27 |
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| eichi | you can only use map file smaller then the memory of the device is, or? | 21:27 |
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| VDVsx | kenneth, so, has to be on day 2, because the first one, is nokia's day | 21:43 |
| kenneth | fine with me :-) | 21:44 |
| VDVsx | kenneth, Qt dev days seems to be a very nice event, but it's too expensive for independent developers/students. IMO :( | 21:47 |
| johnsq | VDVsx: you can ask how to use qt with C | 21:48 |
| kenneth | VDVsx, yes, it is a very nice event. If you were a nokian you could probably get in for free if you ask the organizers | 21:49 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, hi! how's your gentoo going? :) | 21:49 |
| VDVsx | kenneth, I'm not :P | 21:49 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: it works, i need to find how i get sound working. | 21:49 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, mer guys set it up. there's a thread on talk with steps also | 21:50 |
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| slonopotamus | johnsq, full of blobs, though | 21:51 |
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| johnsq | slonopotamus: i'm very busy with my project, so i haven't played much. | 21:52 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Sound | 21:53 |
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| lardman | lcuk5: sorry for the slow reply, yeah not bad, have docs/tut open on one side and code on the other an was ploughing through (but been watching the test match highlights just now) | 21:54 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, + http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=22642 | 21:55 |
| lardman | RST38h: going reasonably well, not feeling too hot though, probably mild bird flu or the like ;) | 21:55 |
| * lardman heads to watch the A-Team :) | 21:55 | |
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| Stskeeps | pig flu is probably an advertisement campaign to warm up the world for the N900. | 21:55 |
| lcuk5 | and the 6billion in profits from the banks are a down payment! | 21:56 |
| slonopotamus | letz try once again | 21:57 |
| slonopotamus | anyone knows the proper way to determine mtd OTP area size? | 21:57 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: I thought something like this. | 21:57 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, sadly, that can't be automated because of proprietary blobs | 21:58 |
| aquatix | is there some key i can press in combination with a regular tap to simulate a rightclick? | 21:58 |
| johnsq | aquatix: tap long, should be right click | 21:59 |
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| aquatix | johnsq: hm, that doesn't work so well on an attachment in claws-mail | 21:59 |
| aquatix | tried it already | 21:59 |
| aquatix | meh | 22:00 |
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| aquatix | oh well, scp is faster anyway | 22:08 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: any way to add URL recognition to the pipes of garage.* | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 22:25 |
| pupnik | hm | 22:26 |
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| Stskeeps | err .. i mean, for Mer rss feed | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | i'm kinda saddened by the fact not many people noticed the talk post containing this url: http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/screenshots/skype/screenshot02.png :) | 22:28 |
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| slonopotamus | hehe :) cool | 22:30 |
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| wazd_ | maan, I think I've killed my keyboard | 23:09 |
| lcuk2 | yeah wazd_, cant see anything you type | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | too much booze? | 23:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Can't have done - it's not all in caps :P | 23:10 |
| wazd_ | I'm typing with onscreen now) | 23:10 |
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| wazd_ | can anybody advise a good kb?) | 23:11 |
| * Stskeeps really should get a desktop machine again | 23:12 | |
| johnsq | wazd_ for n810? apple mini keyboard | 23:12 |
| wazd_ | johnsq: for the desktop) | 23:12 |
| * qwerty12_N810 still uses the wired, PS/2 one that came with his computer | 23:13 | |
| johnsq | wazd_: apple alu keyboard | 23:13 |
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| wazd_ | johnsq: too expensive for my needs. And its for macs anyway | 23:14 |
| lcuk2 | then get a mac | 23:14 |
| johnsq | wazd_: it works nice with linux. cherry stream line | 23:14 |
| lcuk2 | you are 99% of the way there with the designer flair, you deserve to have the machine to match :) | 23:15 |
| wazd_ | johnsq: it has mac layout on it I mean | 23:15 |
| doc|home | I want a keyboard that's really super touch sensitve | 23:16 |
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| doc|home | my fingers are always sore :( | 23:16 |
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| johnsq | don't look at the keyboard while you type | 23:16 |
| lcuk2 | apple kb have short travel | 23:16 |
| wazd_ | lcuk2: it's a myth that designer should have a mac) | 23:16 |
| doc|home | apple keyboards suck | 23:16 |
| doc|home | I use one in work every day. doesn't register presses well | 23:17 |
| doc|home | and I've tried more than one | 23:17 |
| wazd_ | there're no other kbs?) | 23:19 |
| lcuk2 | doc|home, maybe you could consider changing your typing style slightly | 23:19 |
| lcuk2 | if you are bashing the keys hard enough to hurt, you are usually doing it wrong? | 23:19 |
| doc|home | lcuk2: if it registered keypresses correctly I wouldn't need to | 23:19 |
| lcuk2 | hunt and peck should not result in explosive fracturing of the T key | 23:19 |
| doc|home | I don't hunt and peck | 23:20 |
| lcuk2 | #]get an ibm model m? | 23:20 |
| doc|home | I had one of those, nice, but not ideal now. Now I want one that I just have to tap ever so slightly | 23:20 |
| johnsq | good old ibm keyboard or old cherry | 23:20 |
| wazd_ | if apple's product doesn't work well - it's you that does smth wrong xD | 23:21 |
| doc|home | wazd_: the apple way! | 23:21 |
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| doc|home | sadly, I think i've broken | 23:21 |
| doc|home | I'm considering buying a macbook pro :( | 23:21 |
| doc|home | dell have driven me to this | 23:21 |
| lcuk2 | it is, you can get surgical remodelling of your fingers to enhance your apple keyboard interfacing needs | 23:22 |
| wazd_ | anyway, we have apples akb for 70 bucks - thats damn too much | 23:22 |
| lcuk2 | macbook pro has same keyboard as the other apple ones doesnt it? | 23:22 |
| doc|home | unless someone can suggest a nice, light 13.3" laptop without windows and with hdmi? | 23:22 |
| lcuk2 | get a refund on the microsoft tax | 23:23 |
| lcuk2 | never accept the eula | 23:23 |
| doc|home | lcuk2: has never worked here afaik, besides, too much trouble. I don't have that kind of time. | 23:23 |
| wazd_ | will you buy macbook wihut osx? | 23:23 |
| lcuk2 | where is here? | 23:23 |
| doc|home | canada | 23:23 |
| doc|home | wazd_: nope, but I'm less opposed to using OS X over giving money to microsoft. At least OS X mostly works in a way that doesn't annoy the shit out of me. | 23:24 |
| wazd_ | doc|home: same with vista for me) | 23:24 |
| doc|home | blegh :) | 23:24 |
| doc|home | the kicker for me is probably the battery life | 23:25 |
| doc|home | 7 hours. mmmm | 23:25 |
| wazd_ | lie :) | 23:25 |
| doc|home | ? | 23:25 |
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| wazd_ | 5 if you'll pray constantly | 23:26 |
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| doc|home | wazd_: not on the newer ones | 23:26 |
| doc|home | the older unibodys, yes | 23:26 |
| lcuk2 | part time praying? | 23:26 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, I loaded this thing up, put it in my pocket and forgot to lock it. Then was wondering why the hell I had Skype opened when I took it out. ;) | 23:27 |
| wazd_ | doc|home: like I said, don't beleive in whats ritten on the apples site) | 23:28 |
| GAN800 | wazd_, my friends get that with their MBPs. | 23:28 |
| doc|home | wazd_: well, even at five hours, it's still far longer than anything on the pc side :/ | 23:29 |
| doc|home | my old, dead, xps used to get 2:45 | 23:29 |
| wazd_ | doc|home: even my 2133 with tiny battery and hungry C7 does 2 hours | 23:30 |
| doc|home | wazd_: apples and oranges | 23:30 |
| wazd_ | doc|home: Sony and HP makes 7+ hours | 23:30 |
| doc|home | wazd_: sony are even more overpriced and can't be bought without windows. HP are as bad as dell. | 23:31 |
| wazd_ | I mean real 7+,not with closed lid | 23:31 |
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| wazd_ | doc|home: hp's pretty fine for me | 23:32 |
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| wazd_ | anyway, mac is a considerable purchase for US only | 23:33 |
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| wazd_ | cause it has reasonable price there | 23:34 |
| wazd_ | Here we have mbp 13 starting at only 1800 usd :) | 23:36 |
| wazd_ | oh, there's one for 1400 in some suspicios store | 23:37 |
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| GAN800 | Sucks to be foreign. :P | 23:47 |
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| wazd_ | well, I think that unibody macs are boring anyway) | 23:48 |
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| lardman|tv | night all | 23:57 |
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