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| talig | anyone has some packaging experience with python? | 00:14 |
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| talig | [i.e. packaging python applications into a deb package] | 00:14 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: re Who did you "win" them from, OOI? .... err, Quim ? | 00:17 |
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| talig | Ok, I found the problem but now I need someone who can explain to me how to fix it: my package is depackaging to /scratchbox/tools/bin instead of /usr/bin/ | 00:18 |
| talig | ideas? :( | 00:20 |
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| Myrtti | graa | 00:24 |
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| Myrtti | what's the name of those jam jars with the rubber seal and the metal clasp to lock them again? I've heard the name but have forgotten | 00:25 |
| Stskeeps | aarg | 00:25 |
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| * Myrtti is getting desperate | 00:25 | |
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| X-Fade | Myrtti: Weck can/jar ? | 00:28 |
| lbt | preserving jar | 00:28 |
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| Myrtti | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilner_jar Wikipedia ♥ | 00:28 |
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| lardman | not to be confused with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_jar | 00:31 |
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| Macer | well | 00:33 |
| Macer | so far i'm winning a bid on an n810 | 00:33 |
| Macer | but i'm sure i'll lose at the last second | 00:33 |
| Macer | :-\ | 00:33 |
| ShadowJK | ebay should copy that real life auction practice... | 00:34 |
| ShadowJK | extend auction until people stop bidding | 00:34 |
| Macer | ? | 00:34 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: heh | 00:34 |
| Macer | naw. that would take forever | 00:34 |
| lardman | Macer: you're not supposed to bid until the last 5s or so | 00:34 |
| Macer | they simply put "buy it now" instead ;) | 00:34 |
| Macer | lardman: yeah i know | 00:34 |
| * lbt agrees with lardman | 00:35 | |
| Macer | although | 00:35 |
| Macer | i won my chevy caprice classic hood ornament by just setting a max bid ;) | 00:35 |
| Macer | i got like 4 of them like that | 00:35 |
| lbt | pick a price. snipe in the last 15 secs. | 00:35 |
| * Macer has 3 backups | 00:35 | |
| Macer | lbt: naw. because tehre is only so much i'd pay for an n810 | 00:35 |
| Macer | which i only want to mount in my car | 00:35 |
| Macer | ;) | 00:35 |
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| lbt | yes, exactly | 00:35 |
| Macer | so i can use the car thing | 00:35 |
| lbt | pick a max price. bid it in the last 15 secs | 00:36 |
| mavhc | ebay still has auctions? | 00:36 |
| Macer | mavhc: haha | 00:36 |
| Macer | yeah | 00:36 |
| mavhc | 99% buy it now | 00:36 |
| Macer | i almsot regret sending Stskeeps my n800 | 00:36 |
| Macer | but i wouldn't want to use the n800 for this anyways | 00:37 |
| Macer | no gps :) | 00:37 |
| Macer | haha | 00:37 |
| Macer | that carman crap looks awesome | 00:37 |
| lbt | N810 backlight is better in the car (well, N800 is u/s) | 00:37 |
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| Macer | either way i'd want the gps for it ;) | 00:38 |
| Macer | although i'm going to have to get a power splitter | 00:38 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't rely on the n810 gps | 00:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:38 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: haha | 00:38 |
| Macer | it's ok. i doubt i'd use it anyways | 00:39 |
| Macer | but i would rather have it for the carman stuff | 00:39 |
| javispedro | the n810 gps is not that bad when you learn its quircks | 00:39 |
| Macer | i'm ordering the scantool now | 00:39 |
| KamikaziFreak | There's no way to price snipe on Ebay if people are bidding properly. | 00:39 |
| Macer | KamikaziFreak: heh. well.. you set a max bid | 00:39 |
| KamikaziFreak | That's what the automatic bidding is for. | 00:39 |
| Macer | either someone wantsw to pay more or not | 00:39 |
| lbt | KamikaziFreak: yes there is | 00:39 |
| Macer | so i wouldn't consider it price sniping :) | 00:40 |
| Macer | they just set a higher max bid | 00:40 |
| Macer | and if they want it THAT bad.. they can have it | 00:40 |
| Macer | haha | 00:40 |
| lbt | last second bid with the max you want to pay | 00:40 |
| Stskeeps | automatic bidding is to demoralize your opponents | 00:40 |
| Macer | lol | 00:40 |
| lbt | my opponents never know I'm ther | 00:40 |
| lbt | e | 00:40 |
| Macer | lbt: haha | 00:40 |
| javispedro | lbt: agreed | 00:40 |
| Macer | like i said... you can have it ;) | 00:40 |
| Macer | there is only so much i'm going to pay for some old n810 | 00:41 |
| Macer | haha | 00:41 |
| KamikaziFreak | lbt: That doesn't do anything special. | 00:41 |
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| lbt | it does :) | 00:41 |
| Macer | especially when an n900/whatever is coming out | 00:41 |
| lbt | it stops the doofuses going "ooh, another £1" "damn", "another £1" | 00:41 |
| javispedro | haha | 00:41 |
| Macer | lol | 00:41 |
| javispedro | i've seen those 0,60€ wars | 00:41 |
| lbt | jbidwatcher is a good tool | 00:42 |
| lardman | If horizon was an aeroplane, I think Wiimote control would be marginally better than flying with one wing and no tail | 00:42 |
| lardman | s/was/were | 00:42 |
| * lardman looks at adding some damping | 00:43 | |
| javispedro | btw, how are you using the wiimote for that? | 00:43 |
| javispedro | i mean | 00:43 |
| KamikaziFreak | solarion, no one knows anything about getting files off a rebooting N800? | 00:43 |
| lardman | I've just hacked support into it | 00:43 |
| javispedro | physically | 00:43 |
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| Stskeeps | KamikaziFreak: you'd be happier if you had installed bootmenu with telnet over usb rescue menu :P | 00:43 |
| javispedro | flat means no elevation? | 00:43 |
| javispedro | bah | 00:43 |
| javispedro | avionics parlance is too hard for my poor english | 00:43 |
| Macer | carman is for maemo? :) | 00:44 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: carman in mer? | 00:44 |
| Macer | heh | 00:44 |
| lardman | ah, horizon is Jaffa's accelerometer test code | 00:44 |
| Macer | well.. guess there is some good use for maemo afterall lol | 00:44 |
| Macer | just kidding. maemo isn't that bad | 00:44 |
| KamikaziFreak | Stskeeps: Well, past-tense doesn't help me here. I'm going to be writing code to automatically back things up to SD once I get it working. | 00:44 |
| Macer | still like android better tho | 00:44 |
| chx | my second N810 landed (i lost the first) | 00:45 |
| chx | i am SO happy | 00:45 |
| lbt | KamikaziFreak: reflash initfs? | 00:45 |
| Stskeeps | KamikaziFreak: you can potentially boot a fs from sd with a kernel mod but that's about it.. or get someone's modded initfs (grey area legally) | 00:45 |
| Stskeeps | and then i really recommend installing bootmenu, just for the usb net telnet feature :P | 00:45 |
| Stskeeps | it saves your ass so many times : | 00:46 |
| KamikaziFreak | lbt: I've tried that before. Not this time, so it's worth a shot I suppose. | 00:46 |
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| KamikaziFreak | I was fiddling with trying to get Bluetooth working with my sister's phone before it went screwy. I had all the BT services turned off, since I don't use them. | 00:48 |
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| KamikaziFreak | I tried re-enabling them, and it didn't seem to work, so I rebooted. Now rebooting is all it does. | 00:48 |
| chx | [14:43] <Stskeeps> KamikaziFreak: you'd be happier if you had installed bootmenu with telnet over usb rescue menu :P <= where can i find that? | 00:49 |
| Stskeeps | chx: grab fanoush's bootmenu, and answer yes to installing usbnet | 00:49 |
| chx | NICE | 00:50 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: or the deb from the Mer install guide? | 00:50 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: same thing, just different form | 00:50 |
| talig | I need some help with a setup.py file, anyone? | 00:50 |
| lardman | wow, the output of the wiimote accelerometers is really rather noisy | 00:50 |
| chx | Stskeeps: and what cable is necessary for that? | 00:50 |
| Stskeeps | chx: the normal usb cable | 00:50 |
| chx | that's really nice. | 00:51 |
| Stskeeps | you need a linux machine though if you don't use the updated kernel or a mer kernel though | 00:51 |
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| chx | http://www.pimfg.com/product_detail.asp?part=000-USB-MC-11&child=N&kwid2=&keywordx=4878%20USB you think this will work to use the N810 as host? | 01:01 |
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| lcuk | lardman, i thought wiimotes weren't that bad | 01:06 |
| lcuk | ive certainly seen some sensors that are noisey tho | 01:07 |
| talig | Can someone tell me why it is that when I build in scratchbox it decided to change my #!/usr/bin/env python2.5 to #!/scratchbox/tools/bin python ? [I can generally understand why, but I want to prevent it. Ideas?] | 01:07 |
| lardman | lcuk: dunno, am just adding some damping | 01:07 |
| VDVsx | lardman, consider adding a low pass filter algo | 01:07 |
| lcuk | you mucking with jaffas horizon | 01:08 |
| lardman | lcuk: then again I may be feeding the wrong format info to the rest of the code | 01:08 |
| lcuk | 2x samples / 2 | 01:08 |
| lardman | VDVsx: running average, once I work out Python arrays | 01:08 |
| lcuk | lardman, cmon its 3 variables :P | 01:08 |
| lcuk | using big heavy arrays is a bit ott :P | 01:08 |
| johnsq | be happy write C | 01:08 |
| ShadowJK | python arrays? use C | 01:08 |
| lcuk | mind you, you are a matlab guy lol | 01:08 |
| lcuk | heh | 01:09 |
| lardman | oi, the code is in Python, bit ott to write some C and have to interface it just to do a running average | 01:09 |
| VDVsx | lardman, you can also reduce the sample rate, probably is too high | 01:09 |
| ShadowJK | I knew a guy once that wanted arrays in python, he used numpy | 01:09 |
| lcuk | hell no, you dont JUST need it for that | 01:09 |
| lcuk | you can write a whole library of utility functions | 01:09 |
| lcuk | just for different kinds of averages | 01:10 |
| lardman | ShadowJK: you saying they are too heavy? | 01:10 |
| lcuk | anyway, have you tied it up with the wiimote driver? | 01:10 |
| lardman | well it works though not sure the random flying around when it's stationary on the desk is ideal behaviour ;) | 01:11 |
| lardman | argh, import Numeric and it doesn't know what zeros() is | 01:11 |
| lcuk | wiimote+n810ducttape == win? | 01:11 |
| lardman | easily as good as an n900 | 01:12 |
| lardman | bet the n900 won't have an IR camera | 01:12 |
| lardman | ah, actually I may be wrong there | 01:12 |
| lcuk | i thought nokia listened and added a 120gigapixel camera with 20fps capability | 01:13 |
| lardman | well most cameras will do long wave IR | 01:13 |
| lardman | near visible stuff | 01:13 |
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| VDVsx | lardman, simple thing to reduce the sample rate and then the noise: http://pys60.garage.maemo.org/doc/s60/node59.html | 01:16 |
| VDVsx | code inside my_callback | 01:16 |
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| lardman | lol simple: AccelerometerXYZAxisData(data_filter=LowPassFilter()) | 01:17 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, omg! you cannot print a message at 35fps? | 01:17 |
| lardman | implemented with a Fourier transform I trust ;) | 01:17 |
| chx | [15:13] <lcuk> i thought nokia listened and added a 120gigapixel camera with 20fps capability <= AFAIK the highest res on the market is the 1.8 gigapixel cam on the A-160T | 01:18 |
| chx | lcuk: did i miss something? | 01:18 |
| lcuk | yeah chx | 01:18 |
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| VDVsx | lardman, if you quit the filter it will work ok too (FFTs are neat :P) | 01:18 |
| lcuk | the announcement of a 120 gigapixel camera. doh! | 01:18 |
| chx | obviously | 01:18 |
| chx | URL? | 01:18 |
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| lcuk | i tried, but its too long to paste | 01:19 |
| VDVsx | lardman, for what you need more than 35hz ? | 01:19 |
| chx | I was shocked by the news and that was not long ago when the Pentagon announced that cam on the A-160T robot 'copter | 01:19 |
| lcuk | EXTREAM DATA LOGGING! | 01:19 |
| lardman | well the FFT will probably bring the update rate down ;) | 01:19 |
| chx | if someone managed to build a pocket size 120GP cam, that'd be rather interesting. | 01:19 |
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| lcuk | is that a 120GP camera in your pocket? | 01:20 |
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| jaska | planck area pixels? | 01:20 |
| lcuk | quantum | 01:20 |
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| lcuk | cant blame me, i just got back from a christmas party | 01:21 |
| lcuk | wearing shorts | 01:21 |
| JoeBrain | that'll be a fun picture to receive through email.. | 01:21 |
| lardman | VDVsx: I don't need that at all - 35kHz | 01:21 |
| Macer | i still can't believe the car dealership wanted 1200 to change my brakes | 01:21 |
| Macer | they must be totally nuts | 01:21 |
| Macer | like on crack nuts | 01:21 |
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| lcuk | i cant believe your life is worth less than 1200 | 01:21 |
| lardman | replacing the discs with solid silver? | 01:21 |
| lcuk | depends on whats wrong with the brakes i suppose | 01:22 |
| mavhc | his life is fine, it's the people he hits | 01:22 |
| lcuk | i had a whole drum collapse on my car | 01:22 |
| Macer | lcuk: hahaha | 01:22 |
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| lardman | cymbals too? | 01:22 |
| Macer | pepboys charges 550 | 01:22 |
| Macer | the chevy dealership charges like 150/hr for labor | 01:22 |
| Macer | they're NUTS | 01:22 |
| lcuk | but if you cant stop when you get there, you are fucked | 01:22 |
| Macer | lcuk: hahaha | 01:22 |
| Macer | well.. i already got my front ones done.. i'm only doing the back just to make sure | 01:23 |
| Macer | ;) | 01:23 |
| VDVsx | lardman, I've a program that use the output from a python code like that one, and also calculate mean, std, energy and FFT for each of three axis and it is fast enough, so 20~30hz are enough for almost everything | 01:23 |
| Macer | but i don't care what anybody says. 1200 for some goddamn brakes | 01:23 |
| Macer | is outrageous | 01:23 |
| Macer | considering the parts altogether cost like $150 | 01:23 |
| mavhc | how many wheels? | 01:23 |
| lcuk | what about the people holding the car up | 01:23 |
| lardman | VDVsx: I think a rolling average will be enough | 01:23 |
| lardman | once I work out the bloody language | 01:24 |
| lardman | :) | 01:24 |
| Macer | lcuk: you mean the pneumatic car lift? :) | 01:24 |
| lcuk | they must be REALLY expensive | 01:24 |
| Macer | lcuk: i suppose | 01:24 |
| Macer | expensive enough to try to make up for it by charging people 1200 for brakes | 01:24 |
| Macer | they said i needed a new light bulb for my rear window brake light also | 01:25 |
| lcuk | are you a captive audience tho? | 01:25 |
| Macer | so that would probably be another $500 | 01:25 |
| ShadowJK | on s60 you can ask for median filtered data | 01:25 |
| lcuk | did you have them take your car apart before asking how much? | 01:25 |
| ShadowJK | from accelerometers | 01:25 |
| Macer | lcuk: lol. no. i asked them first | 01:25 |
| Macer | but dealerships NEVER tell you up front | 01:25 |
| Macer | pep boys does | 01:25 |
| Macer | a dealership has to judge the person | 01:25 |
| lcuk | theres a proper dbus interface for maemo isnt there? is it compatible with the joystick interface i use in ubuntu?> | 01:25 |
| Macer | to try to figure out hwo much they can screw them | 01:25 |
| Macer | like old people are usually the best targets | 01:26 |
| lcuk | lardman, my x41 has accelerometer too! | 01:26 |
| lcuk | i just found out last week | 01:26 |
| Macer | but they had to break open my hubcaps anyways. i lost the key | 01:26 |
| Macer | so the tires were going to come off anyways so they could replace the hubcap keyed nut with a normal one | 01:26 |
| VDVsx | lardman, don't forget the sample rate is one of your worst enemy's :P, very high sample rate is very difficult to handle | 01:27 |
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| parsimoniae | does anyone know where I can find a package for streamer? | 01:27 |
| lardman | I only get data when the main program asks for it | 01:27 |
| lardman | I hate Python cryptic error clues | 01:28 |
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| lardman | ah, [] rather than () | 01:29 |
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| lardman | well it's better with some averaging, but still all round the shop | 01:35 |
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| javispedro | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayeeeee | 02:04 |
| talig | javispedro: what's wrong? | 02:05 |
| javispedro | nothing defines happiness more exactly than spending 2 days to debug a wrong communication between two computer then finally finding the issue | 02:05 |
| lardman | cable not plugged in? | 02:05 |
| lardman | or was that a scream of joy, rather than frustration? :) | 02:06 |
| javispedro | joy :D | 02:06 |
| javispedro | 6 pages of hex dumps | 02:06 |
| javispedro | the first byte that made no sense was on page 4... :S | 02:06 |
| Macer | *cough* | 02:07 |
| talig | Oy. | 02:07 |
| javispedro | i need to learn how they make ethereal plugins | 02:07 |
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| lardman | I've been decoding data file formats by staring at hex dumps, great fun | 02:08 |
| talig | they = ? | 02:08 |
| lardman | ...not | 02:08 |
| javispedro | talig, me :) | 02:08 |
| lcuk | lardman, you almost sounded like neo out of the matrix then | 02:08 |
| lcuk | and it all came crashing down and you reverted to mr bean :p | 02:09 |
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| talig | lardman: sounds like fun :) | 02:10 |
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| javispedro | it leaves your brain in a funny state indeed | 02:10 |
| javispedro | specially when the protocol is plently of handles and all those funny things | 02:11 |
| talig | lardman: seriously though - I've been doing a bit of the same myself lately. I feel your pain. | 02:11 |
| lardman | strangely, though I tried to decode the same format a few years ago, it just slipped into place | 02:12 |
| lardman | just have to work out a few minor bugs, each frame is off by a pixel or two, work out the delimiters, etc | 02:12 |
| javispedro | it sucks. there must be a better way than plain paper and pencil. | 02:13 |
| lcuk | colored paper and crayons? | 02:14 |
| javispedro | note: i actually used colors to mark structs | 02:14 |
| lardman | argh, I see the wiimote code I've been using isn't very good | 02:15 |
| * lcuk wouldv used paper for first notes but tried to pattern match into c structs | 02:15 | |
| javispedro | the implementors of this didn't hear of packed structs, so there were lots of padding bytes whose only reason of existance was to bug me | 02:15 |
| lcuk | to them move onto import and comparison by computer | 02:15 |
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| javispedro | now comes the funny part: filling the code with printfs | 02:17 |
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| JoeBrain | lol colored paper & crayons | 02:17 |
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| lardman | how many elements does this contain? data[4:7] | 02:20 |
| javispedro | lardman, slicing returns i to j-1 | 02:20 |
| javispedro | inclusive | 02:21 |
| lardman | ah | 02:21 |
| lardman | thanks | 02:21 |
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| lardman | I wonder if I'm getting strange results if the battery's going flat? | 02:28 |
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| lcuk | wiimote games dont get worse until the very end | 02:28 |
| lardman | you talking about the quality of the boss baddies? | 02:30 |
| lardman | or about the controller :) | 02:30 |
| lcuk | heh controller | 02:31 |
| lcuk | jake runs through batteries like they are goin out of fashion | 02:31 |
| lcuk | and he only gets frustrated when batteries totally die ;) | 02:31 |
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| javispedro | i used to play a lot with glovepie on windows | 02:32 |
| lardman | this is my first set of batteries | 02:32 |
| javispedro | i don't know what filters that soft was implicitly using, | 02:32 |
| javispedro | but I remember having to code only a dead zone near the 0 | 02:32 |
| javispedro | glovepie=some kind of scripting language for game input methods | 02:33 |
| javispedro | (including wiimote) | 02:33 |
| lcuk | a deadzone! | 02:33 |
| javispedro | party! | 02:33 |
| lcuk | i fscking need one of those for something else | 02:34 |
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| lcuk | thank you thank you thank you! | 02:34 |
| lcuk | (i was pondering how to solve a problem i have with some code | 02:34 |
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| JoeBrain | you making controllers lcuk? | 02:35 |
| lardman | hmm, looks like the output data is fine on pyaxelwii, will have to check my code | 02:35 |
| lardman | too late now though | 02:35 |
| lardman | night all | 02:35 |
| javispedro | night | 02:35 |
| lcuk | gnite lardman | 02:35 |
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| lcuk | :D w000t i got inb4 he left | 02:35 |
| lcuk | and you javispedro you must be practicing too lol | 02:36 |
| javispedro | i'm getting some typing speed litely | 02:36 |
| lcuk | :D | 02:36 |
| javispedro | s/litely/lately/ | 02:36 |
| infobot | javispedro meant: i'm getting some typing speed lately | 02:36 |
| javispedro | :D | 02:36 |
| lcuk | JoeBrain, decent place to show you what i do: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY | 02:37 |
| javispedro | writing "./dump.sh" again and again | 02:37 |
| * lcuk wants to make a new video | 02:37 | |
| javispedro | the calendar is looking nice | 02:38 |
| javispedro | oops that was in may | 02:38 |
| lcuk | yeah :) | 02:38 |
| lcuk | theres been a lot happening since (Theres a followon video) and even more since | 02:38 |
| JoeBrain | interesting are the apps within the "liqbase" written using special APIs using your stuff? | 02:39 |
| lcuk | yeah | 02:39 |
| JoeBrain | Nifty so like a macro-widgets framework | 02:39 |
| JoeBrain | except I assume the widgets are fullblown apps usually | 02:40 |
| lcuk | yeah, they can be anything, from a simple little item to a full multi screen app | 02:41 |
| javispedro | why does a machine believe 4 bytes are 9? human error. always. | 02:41 |
| JoeBrain | How do you handle the limitation of the # of items on-screen @ any given time? | 02:42 |
| lcuk | what limitation? ;) within reason i havent got one | 02:42 |
| JoeBrain | :) | 02:42 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090710_002210.lib.holymoly.png | 02:42 |
| lcuk | and i meant that seriously | 02:42 |
| JoeBrain | I suppose my question rephrased: what's the next step? | 02:42 |
| JoeBrain | ah holy moly | 02:42 |
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| lcuk | i do have limitations though | 02:43 |
| talig | Guys, sorry to disturb the conversation. Any of you have some experience with python distutils? | 02:43 |
| lcuk | based on cpu and other performance things | 02:43 |
| lcuk | but everything is totally scalable | 02:44 |
| javispedro | talig, I have the experience that none of them work in a real device :D | 02:44 |
| lcuk | and it runs a dream on big fast rigs | 02:44 |
| talig | javispedro: lol Funny, that's similar to mine :) | 02:44 |
| javispedro | are you writing a setup.py yourself or packaging one? | 02:45 |
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| JoeBrain | what's it written using lcuk? | 02:47 |
| lcuk | my blood | 02:47 |
| lcuk | and a bit of c | 02:47 |
| talig | javispedro: Actually, I'm trying to create a package. Actually quite successfully, there's just one problem :( | 02:47 |
| JoeBrain | lol "my blood" | 02:48 |
| lcuk | :) | 02:48 |
| javispedro | "my blood programming language" -- compiled by the devil himself | 02:49 |
| qwerty12_N810 | g666 | 02:49 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N810, they dont know lol | 02:49 |
| javispedro | and think that whatever it is i don't want to know :D | 02:49 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Oh, it's a lot worse than Satan: | 02:50 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ~666 | 02:50 |
| infobot | 666 is, like, Steve Jobs. | 02:50 |
| lcuk | :O | 02:50 |
| talig | lol | 02:50 |
| talig | ~42 | 02:50 |
| infobot | 42 is, like, the answer to life the universe and everything, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything | 02:50 |
| talig | :) | 02:50 |
| lcuk | ~pi | 02:51 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, pi is 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 | 02:51 |
| javispedro | so tell us lcuk, how do you send The Steve Jobs your "blood" code for him to compile? | 02:52 |
| nomis | extra, extra, read all about it, infobot is wrong. | 02:52 |
| * nomis relurks. | 02:52 | |
| lcuk | javispedro, it was deLIVERed to him | 02:53 |
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| javispedro | thank god, i god it had something to do with iphones | 02:53 |
| javispedro | s/god/though/ | 02:53 |
| infobot | javispedro meant: thank though, i god it had something to do with iphones | 02:53 |
| javispedro | go to hell | 02:53 |
| lcuk | most recent code patch: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124546193182433491.html | 02:53 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lol | 02:53 |
| jeremiah | lcuk: That is firmware that got updated. | 02:54 |
| lcuk | binary blob | 02:55 |
| lcuk | patched him without reboot | 02:55 |
| javispedro | core dump | 02:55 |
| jeremiah | New motherboard. | 02:55 |
| javispedro | kspliced him then | 02:55 |
| talig | jeremiah: congrats. | 02:55 |
| lcuk | heh jeremiah hotswap | 02:55 |
| jeremiah | talig: That motherboard was Job's liver, not my machine. :) | 02:56 |
| JoeBrain | lol | 02:56 |
| talig | jeremiah: we're awfully bloody today ... | 02:56 |
| jeremiah | Indeed. | 02:56 |
| lcuk | out of bacon? | 02:56 |
| jeremiah | Is there bacon? | 02:57 |
| jeremiah | I want bacon. | 02:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Anyone want a pint? | 02:57 |
| lcuk | there is always bacon | 02:57 |
| Macer | do all maemo apps run in mer? | 02:57 |
| jeremiah | Where's lardman? | 02:57 |
| Macer | so if i were to try to run carman i shouldn't have any problems running it in mer? | 02:57 |
| lcuk | said he was goind sleeping, but ive got bets on a midnight blt | 02:57 |
| Macer | with gps/maemo maps support? | 02:57 |
| jeremiah | Shouldn't all maemo apps run in mer? | 02:57 |
| jeremiah | I think they should. | 02:57 |
| Macer | jeremiah: i would guess so | 02:57 |
| lcuk | no cos mer doesnt support everything | 02:57 |
| Macer | i thought mer supported everything maemo did | 02:57 |
| jeremiah | In other words, I think it is Mer's goal to be compatible. | 02:58 |
| lcuk | and lots of maemo apps have bugs and maemoisms | 02:58 |
| javispedro | with all that diablo-framantle breaking within? | 02:58 |
| Macer | maemoisms? :) | 02:58 |
| Macer | heh | 02:58 |
| jeremiah | lcuk: That sucks. Like what? | 02:58 |
| Macer | so what happens to maemo then after nokia ditches it? | 02:58 |
| jeremiah | Mer happens. | 02:58 |
| lcuk | jeremiah, not serious things, but enough to need tweaking from what ive seen | 02:58 |
| Macer | well.. not "ditches" but leaves n8x0 users high and dry | 02:58 |
| lcuk | things like /home/user | 02:58 |
| javispedro | /media/mmc1 | 02:58 |
| Macer | if mer can run carman then i'll be happy ;) | 02:58 |
| lcuk | and expecting the limited toolset | 02:59 |
| Macer | which is the only reason i'm getting an n810 right now | 02:59 |
| jeremiah | Macer: Mer is definitely meant to be the backwards compatible OS for the tablet | 02:59 |
| Macer | i already ordered my bt scan tool | 02:59 |
| Macer | jeremiah: i figured as much | 02:59 |
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| Macer | and i remember being able to run maemo apps in early vers | 02:59 |
| lcuk | jeremiah, trying - it will compile a lot of things | 02:59 |
| jeremiah | I would be really, really surprised if it doesn't run carman. | 02:59 |
| Macer | i would be really, really disappointed ;) | 02:59 |
| lcuk | is canola on it yet for instance? | 02:59 |
| lcuk | or bluemaemo | 02:59 |
| lcuk | they use the same core | 03:00 |
| lcuk | dont they | 03:00 |
| Macer | but at least i can run maemo on the internal flash | 03:00 |
| Macer | and boot mer from the sd if need be | 03:00 |
| jeremiah | lcuk: I haven't tried it really. Which is a shame. | 03:00 |
| lcuk | its deffo on the right path :) | 03:00 |
| jeremiah | I should set up a chroot with it - they say you are supposed to dual boot so that is a good way to test. | 03:00 |
| Macer | honestly i think maemo is pretty ncie looking on an n8x0 | 03:00 |
| jeremiah | Macer: I agree. | 03:00 |
| jeremiah | But then I would. | 03:00 |
| Macer | i mean it uses the screen space rather well | 03:00 |
| lcuk | macer, its got a strong front end and a rich set of default apps | 03:01 |
| Macer | the apps aren't bad at all.. the browser isn't bad | 03:01 |
| lcuk | my family use the devices lying around all the time | 03:01 |
| Macer | lcuk: yeah. maemo isn't bad at all for a tablet | 03:01 |
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| jeremiah | The browser needs a little work in comparison to Safari on the iPhone | 03:01 |
| lcuk | agree | 03:01 |
| jeremiah | If one is really honest. | 03:01 |
| Macer | jeremiah: or steel on a g1? ;) | 03:01 |
| jeremiah | But the rest of it is much better I think. | 03:01 |
| Macer | steel and the default browser on a g1 kind of suck | 03:01 |
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| lcuk | but that same sluggishness exists outside the browser | 03:01 |
| javispedro | of course it's not bad, would all of we be here if sucked? | 03:01 |
| lcuk | you just have to look further | 03:01 |
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| Macer | but i think that is more due to ram constraint | 03:02 |
| jeremiah | I have never seen a G1 | 03:02 |
| jeremiah | javispedro: True dat! :) | 03:02 |
| Macer | javispedro: probably | 03:02 |
| Macer | just to gripe on it ;) | 03:02 |
| Macer | i mean really it does have its shortfalls | 03:02 |
| jeremiah | Yeah. I have nowhere else to go so I'd definitely be hanging out here. | 03:02 |
| talig | jeremiah: I managed to advance quite a bit from yesterday's state :) | 03:02 |
| Macer | like the fact that it doesn't full use the gpu | 03:02 |
| jeremiah | talig: Good to hear it! | 03:02 |
| Macer | and that it looks gnomish | 03:02 |
| jeremiah | talig: How are things going? | 03:02 |
| Macer | (i hate gnome!) | 03:03 |
| Macer | heh | 03:03 |
| Macer | well.. gtkish | 03:03 |
| Macer | (ditto) | 03:03 |
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| javispedro | Macer, don't worry, now all kde haters will be forced to switch ;) | 03:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GNOME's OK, but Nautilus. Bleh. | 03:03 |
| javispedro | nautilus is SLOW | 03:03 |
| Macer | qwerty12_N810: gtk just looks ick | 03:03 |
| Macer | qt is a lot more polished for the eyes | 03:03 |
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| Macer | something about gtk makes me feel like i'm using something based on windows 3.1 | 03:04 |
| lcuk | but that is just a theme | 03:04 |
| Macer | lcuk: no. all the themes make me feel like that ;) | 03:04 |
| lcuk | at the end of the day, qt and gtk both end up in the same x11 boxen | 03:04 |
| javispedro | now that's some serius disease ;) | 03:04 |
| Macer | gtk based stuff just has that win 3.1 feel about it | 03:04 |
| javispedro | seeing win3.11 everywhere | 03:04 |
| talig | jeremiah: Well, I found the source of the problem - for starters. For some reason [possibly because I packaged in scratchbox, but there could be an even stronger factor] - my package installed to /scratchbox/tools/bin instead of /usr/bin | 03:04 |
| Macer | javispedro: tell me about it | 03:05 |
| Macer | kde4 makes me see vista ;) | 03:05 |
| Macer | well.. i guess more so win7 nowadays | 03:05 |
| javispedro | everywhere I look I see the N810's blinking blue led instead | 03:05 |
| Macer | KDE4 - "The Vista that doesn't suck." | 03:05 |
| Macer | javispedro: i'm trying to buy one now | 03:05 |
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| Macer | just for carman ;) | 03:05 |
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| javispedro | that led is very addictive | 03:06 |
| Macer | so i can mount it on my windshield and play techno music | 03:06 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: the N810 one is pretty though :) | 03:06 |
| qwerty12_N810 | The N800 one is bland :\ | 03:06 |
| Macer | what's wrong with the n800 blue led? it's on the dpad | 03:06 |
| Macer | (the one you don't need to flip anything out to use) | 03:06 |
| Macer | :) | 03:06 |
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| Macer | i got sick of pecking at my n800 tho | 03:07 |
| Macer | peckpeckpeckpeck.. i felt like a pigeon | 03:07 |
| javispedro | coming from a palm world, I can only feel weird at the fact that the led is the feature that I like most from the tablet | 03:07 |
| Macer | haha | 03:07 |
| * qwerty12_N810 likes playing with jott's http://sse2.net/ledcolor.py | 03:07 | |
| talig | jeremiah: So I tweaked the makefile to force it into /usr/bin, but THEN it wouldn't run because it turns out that since I build it in scratchbox it changes the #!/usr/bin/python to the scratchbox equivalent. | 03:07 |
| javispedro | Psychedelia | 03:07 |
| javispedro | ^^ one word | 03:07 |
| jeremiah | talig: Aha. | 03:08 |
| jeremiah | Interesting. | 03:08 |
| talig | jeremiah: Now thinking of writing a postinst script to fix it, or figure out what's the standard way of getting it right. | 03:08 |
| lcuk | hey! did you know there are 384000 extra RGB elements to control on the device! | 03:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | talig: run /usr/bin/python2.5 instead of python? =) | 03:09 |
| * jeremiah goes looking on the maemo wiki to see if there is something that might help talig | 03:09 | |
| talig | jeremiah: Minimization problem was solved, and now I'm facing the issue of attaching an icon to the window so the taskbar will not show the generic icon. | 03:09 |
| talig | qwerty12_N810: Then it wouldn't build. | 03:09 |
| jeremiah | talig: https://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging | 03:09 |
| talig | qwerty12_N810: (which is to say - done that) | 03:10 |
| jeremiah | I have started this page, I need to add more. ^^ | 03:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I've done it before, with bindings | 03:10 |
| javispedro | ah, it's true | 03:10 |
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| javispedro | you must call python2.5 instead of the scratchbox one | 03:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | (saved me from resorting to SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE ;)) | 03:10 |
| jeremiah | Why are two pythons isntalled? | 03:11 |
| javispedro | i guess python-support (or at least the working part of it) done it for me | 03:11 |
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| jeremiah | .oO( I'm glad I code in perl. ) | 03:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | jeremiah: have you seen how much space it takes up installing perl-modules on the device? :P | 03:12 |
| talig | jeremiah: python is normally an alias :) In any case, my understanding of the link you posted is: "don't package in scratchbox" :) | 03:12 |
| jeremiah | qwerty12_N810: Do you know how many modules there are in that package? | 03:12 |
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| talig | qwerty12_N810: Perl is wonderful, in the right hands ;) | 03:12 |
| jeremiah | talig: Well, yeah. But then why is there one _explicitly_ called 2.5? | 03:12 |
| qwerty12_N810 | jeremiah: well, I can only presume, a lot... :) | 03:12 |
| talig | sadly, in the perl case, most hands are the wrong hands... :/ | 03:12 |
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| jeremiah | qwerty12_N810: There are a lot of perl modules in that package, but I don't think the average perl module takes up more space than any other app | 03:13 |
| * qwerty12_N810 built frozen bubble, god, that with scratchbox tested my patience | 03:13 | |
| jeremiah | In fact I would guess they are pretty small. | 03:13 |
| jeremiah | Is frozen bubble perl? | 03:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Yep | 03:14 |
| jeremiah | Wow. | 03:14 |
| jeremiah | I had no idea. | 03:14 |
| javispedro | wow | 03:14 |
| jeremiah | All in all not a lot of perl apps on the tablet. | 03:14 |
| jeremiah | But I am thinking about using the clutter API to change that. :) | 03:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I did resort to sbox_redirect_ignore in rules for that... | 03:15 |
| jeremiah | Ugh. Redirects are complex. | 03:16 |
| talig | Ok, I'm kind of falling asleep here. In any case, jeremiah, wanted to thank you for your help yesterday. | 03:16 |
| talig | Gnight all, cya tomorrow. | 03:17 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | wtf, I recieved a voicemail for my google voice account that I haven't even bothered to set up yet | 03:21 |
| javispedro | but but but | 03:23 |
| javispedro | you're in london | 03:23 |
| javispedro | that's outside of the US | 03:23 |
| javispedro | and you're using Google Voice? | 03:23 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I got into the google.com/voice page via a transparent proxy but I got stuck on the "enter a phone number attached to a physical phone" part. It didn't accept my Gizmo number so I left it but someone's written a guide at tmo to get around it so I'll follow it sometime | 03:25 |
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| jeremiah | taligAFK: My pleasure. See you tomorrow. | 03:49 |
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| Macer | wtf | 04:07 |
| Macer | the www.noka.com picture | 04:07 |
| Macer | is like some arab hair stylist with some crazy screaming woman while hte other one is having her hair manhandled | 04:07 |
| Macer | i think nokia has finally went off the deepend | 04:07 |
| Macer | deep end | 04:07 |
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| Macer | and you can't purchase n810s from nokia anymore :) | 04:09 |
| Macer | wtf | 04:09 |
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| Macer | http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001CZJIIM/ref=sr_1_olp_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1248830147&sr=8-4 | 04:18 |
| Macer | wow | 04:18 |
| Macer | can someone explain to me why amazon is selling a wimax n810 for 1500? | 04:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Macer, because Amazon isn't selling it. . . . | 04:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, you are familiar with the concepts surrounding their Marketplace, right? | 04:30 |
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| Macer | GeneralAntilles: not really? | 04:35 |
| Macer | i figured they were like.. the "buy it now" ebay style place | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's random people on the internet selling random shit they may or may not own for arbitrary prices. | 04:36 |
| Macer | but i just don't see how supply and demand justifies $1500 for an n810 ;) | 04:36 |
| Macer | most places are stores | 04:36 |
| Macer | like i said. it's ebay minus the auctions | 04:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, people often sell things for arbitrary prices. | 04:37 |
| Macer | heh | 04:37 |
| Macer | like $1500 for an n810 ;) | 04:37 |
| Macer | i figured maybe the demand in baltimore was really high | 04:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | N810 WiMAX Edition, to be precise. | 04:37 |
| Macer | so people were actually paying that much for them | 04:37 |
| Macer | yah | 04:37 |
| Macer | and since baltimore is the only place with xohm | 04:38 |
| Macer | :) | 04:38 |
| Macer | maybe they are gouging them | 04:38 |
| Macer | don't get me wrong. personally i think it would be worth it if they actually had wimax in more than 2 places on the entire planet | 04:38 |
| Macer | considering their marketing ploy on television is "and the only network with real 4G" | 04:38 |
| Macer | ok.... like.. baltimroe? :) what about everywhere else? | 04:39 |
| Macer | anyways.. have to go .. son is up | 04:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Gouging is such a silly term. | 04:41 |
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| caotic | I am looking at the package http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/x11vnc/#, but the description, is kinda vague IMO. From what I read I dont know if this package is server or a client. (looking for a maemo vnc server ) | 05:26 |
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| caotic | btw, my external memory card says it is a read only file system, I havent used my mmc in any other device nor connected my n810 ever trought usb ... how can I fix this (mabe the n810 lost battery charge while downloading, dunno I felt asleep in the process ) | 05:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | caotic, server. | 06:01 |
| caotic | GeneralAntilles: wow, didnt believe it possible :) | 06:01 |
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| caotic | is the most common solution for the readonly problem to reformat the mmc ? | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or repair | 06:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | But the internal one has an oversized partition table | 06:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | from factory | 06:25 |
| caotic | GeneralAntilles: and that can't be change without a reflash right ? | 06:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er | 06:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | A reflash doesn't touch the cards. | 06:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | That requires a reformating. | 06:26 |
| caotic | oh ... ok | 06:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The internal eMMC, not the internal 256MB of NAND. | 06:26 |
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| Luke-Jr | GeneralAntilles: if it's oversized, does that mean a real dataloss risk if it fills? | 06:27 |
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| xnt14 | sudo kill -9 -1 | 06:31 |
| xnt14 | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh | 06:32 |
| xnt14 | jk | 06:32 |
| * xnt14 needs to go to sleep | 06:32 | |
| caotic | -1 ? | 06:32 |
| xnt14 | sayanara | 06:32 |
| caotic | what does that do ? | 06:32 |
| caotic | nite xnt14 | 06:32 |
| xnt14 | caotic, IDK, it killed init before | 06:32 |
| xnt14 | night ;) | 06:32 |
| caotic | very agressive way to power off IMO :P | 06:33 |
| xnt14 | :P | 06:33 |
| xnt14 | just tried it out if boredom | 06:33 |
| caotic | I know what you mean | 06:33 |
| xnt14 | usually I just run sudo telinit 0 | 06:33 |
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| esaym153 | caotic: x11vnc is a server | 06:36 |
| esaym153 | it displays the screen from a current x session | 06:37 |
| caotic | esaym153: thanks, thats amazing :D, right now dealing with the readonly thingy | 06:37 |
| esaym153 | it does not create a new x session | 06:37 |
| caotic | esaym153: the X session in the nXXX you mean ? | 06:38 |
| esaym153 | yes | 06:40 |
| esaym153 | I use x11vnc on my grandma's computer so I can do stuff for her | 06:40 |
| esaym153 | (granny is linux user) | 06:40 |
| Luke-Jr | s/for/to/ | 06:41 |
| caotic | esaym153: grany's linux users FTW ! XD | 06:41 |
| esaym153 | caotic: I don't know about the readonly thing. Does the card work fine in other computers or linux distro? | 06:41 |
| Luke-Jr | esaym153: … | 06:42 |
| Luke-Jr | it's the internal card | 06:42 |
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| esaym153 | caotic: I sometimes want to install windows on her machine but I can't make myslef. People come over her trying to install the latest crapware solitaire games and stuff and then they get all mad and stuff | 06:43 |
| caotic | esaym153: it stills shows as a read only in my pc, have seen some fsck solution on the net, but looking for a foolprof process ... havent seen a lot of people using 16 GB cards on the n810 | 06:43 |
| esaym153 | granny seems fine with it all though | 06:43 |
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| esaym153 | caotic: this is a removable card? | 06:43 |
| caotic | esaym153: yes | 06:43 |
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| esaym153 | I don't have a n810 yet | 06:44 |
| esaym153 | so hard to help | 06:44 |
| caotic | no prob | 06:45 |
| esaym153 | http://linux.die.net/man/8/mount | 06:45 |
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| esaym153 | I don't know if non root users are allowed to mount/remount stuff on the n810 | 06:45 |
| caotic | I guess the process is the same for all mmc, but still nervous about risking it | 06:45 |
| caotic | esaym153: no the mount arguments are fine | 06:45 |
| esaym153 | dmesg | tail | 06:46 |
| caotic | I was downloading some podcasts to the mmc when I guess the battery just died | 06:46 |
| esaym153 | shows what? | 06:46 |
| esaym153 | what fs does it use? | 06:46 |
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| caotic | over and over : FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sdf1) fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) | 06:47 |
| caotic | esaym153: this is in my pc | 06:47 |
| esaym153 | oh, yea might have to reformat | 06:47 |
| esaym153 | the data on the mmc can't be that precious can it? | 06:48 |
| caotic | esaym153: no, its all replacable | 06:48 |
| caotic | a pain to dwl/ reencode, but replacable | 06:48 |
| esaym153 | windows can't fix it? | 06:48 |
| caotic | esaym153: win what ? | 06:49 |
| caotic | :P, sorry I dont have a windows machine | 06:49 |
| esaym153 | heh | 06:49 |
| esaym153 | awesome | 06:49 |
| esaym153 | then why use fat and not ext2 or 3? | 06:49 |
| esaym153 | mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdx1... | 06:49 |
| caotic | esaym153: I have asked myself the same qustion, I guess I have been lazy to do it | 06:50 |
| caotic | I guess now I should | 06:50 |
| esaym153 | there is the command there ^ | 06:50 |
| esaym153 | where is the mmc mounted? sde sdc? | 06:50 |
| caotic | /dev/sdf1 mounted at | 06:51 |
| caotic | mount -l | grep disk | 06:51 |
| caotic | /dev/sdf1 on /media/disk type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,uid=1000,utf8,shortname=mixed) | 06:51 |
| esaym153 | mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdf1 | 06:52 |
| esaym153 | that should do it | 06:52 |
| caotic | great, tring to fuser some processes to unmount | 06:52 |
| esaym153 | brb, got to take a shower | 06:53 |
| caotic | ok | 06:53 |
| caotic | lol, I was tring to unmount from withing the mount point. jejej | 06:54 |
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| caotic | man, fsck needs some kind of feed progess feedback | 06:59 |
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| Luke-Jr | caotic: it does if you use it right | 07:02 |
| caotic | Luke-Jr: crap. I guess it will be pointless to abort it and start agian :P | 07:03 |
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| caotic | mmc1 issue solved, life is good again | 07:12 |
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| esaym153 | caotic: what was the fix? | 07:19 |
| caotic | esaym153: well, "just" remaking the fs | 07:21 |
| esaym153 | caotic: with fat or ext3? | 07:21 |
| caotic | what do you think ? | 07:21 |
| caotic | :P+ | 07:21 |
| esaym153 | I was hoping ext3... | 07:21 |
| caotic | fo' shizzle | 07:22 |
| caotic | I mean yes ext3 | 07:22 |
| esaym153 | <@:-) | 07:22 |
| caotic | I wonder if n810 has support for raizerfs | 07:22 |
| caotic | I guess not | 07:22 |
| Interocitor | raizerfs is a fail fs | 07:22 |
| esaym153 | ext3 is slower than ext2, but it should handle crashes just fine | 07:23 |
| caotic | Interocitor: I have been using it for serveral years, havent had any complains nor data loss | 07:23 |
| caotic | and I dont have to do the 30 some mount check | 07:23 |
| Interocitor | i would not trust such a communist fs for mission critical data storage. | 07:23 |
| caotic | communist ? | 07:24 |
| Interocitor | lmao, sorry. only giving you a hard time :) | 07:24 |
| caotic | ok the author was batshit crazy, but it works | 07:24 |
| Interocitor | didn't he murder his wife? i forgot what happened | 07:24 |
| caotic | Interocitor: thats ok I dont wave the raiserfs flag, but I am confortable with it | 07:25 |
| esaym153 | caotic: 30 mounts???! | 07:25 |
| esaym153 | http://linux.die.net/man/8/tune2fs | 07:25 |
| caotic | Interocitor: thats what the veredict said, and I guess he did, but I dont watch soap operas :P | 07:25 |
| Interocitor | lol | 07:25 |
| esaym153 | look at -c and -i | 07:25 |
| caotic | esaym153: yeah I am on it | 07:26 |
| esaym153 | tune2fs -c0 -i6m /dev/sdf1 | 07:27 |
| esaym153 | will set the check to once every 6 months | 07:27 |
| caotic | esaym153: yes I see that, but I am starting to not consider the max-mount-counts == 0 as an advantage | 07:27 |
| esaym153 | or you can just disable it like windows computers and wonder why strange things happen to your files after a year or so... | 07:28 |
| caotic | scary sh*t there | 07:28 |
| esaym153 | I check every 100 mounts or 3 months | 07:28 |
| caotic | Actually now that I think about it, I think I did had one corrupt fs at some point, but for the life of me cant remember the type | 07:28 |
| esaym153 | I want friday to get here soon so ups will deliver my n810 | 07:30 |
| caotic | did you guys saw the slideshow where there was a mention of the n900 ? | 07:30 |
| caotic | esaym153: lol, that wasnt the best message to post after your 'ups' one :P | 07:30 |
| caotic | any way congrats, amazing device | 07:31 |
| esaym153 | I am wondering what kind of shape it is in. I bought it from a sketchy site that is notorious for selling used junk as "New in Box" | 07:31 |
| caotic | I just would want a little more power regarding the processor | 07:31 |
| esaym153 | I just need it for some simple texts apps I am making | 07:31 |
| caotic | esaym153: that sucks, but they are really cheap at nokia.com | 07:32 |
| caotic | are you at USA? | 07:32 |
| esaym153 | yea | 07:32 |
| esaym153 | they are not listed at nokia.com anymore | 07:32 |
| caotic | you can buy it right form there from 225 or somethign , | 07:32 |
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| esaym153 | I ordered one last week but they cancelled it | 07:32 |
| caotic | I just bought mine like a month ago | 07:32 |
| caotic | oh that sucks | 07:32 |
| esaym153 | yea | 07:32 |
| esaym153 | got one from shopcell.com | 07:32 |
| esaym153 | I think | 07:32 |
| esaym153 | but cheesy site like I said | 07:33 |
| caotic | esaym153: the n810 was a bitch to buy from outside us | 07:33 |
| esaym153 | so no telling | 07:33 |
| esaym153 | yea | 07:33 |
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| esaym153 | yea | 07:33 |
| caotic | esaym153: took me 3 attempts | 07:33 |
| caotic | one when it was around 400 usd, then 300 and the succesfull at 195 using a discount coude | 07:34 |
| caotic | in a year span | 07:34 |
| caotic | when I finally got it i wanted to cry XD | 07:34 |
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| caotic | I was really exited about the n97, untill I realized it was symbian an not linux | 07:40 |
| esaym153 | yea | 07:40 |
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| sarower | Hello all, Good Morning!!! | 07:59 |
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| sarower | I have made a debian package for Internet tablet, When i am installing it in the device it is installed successfully. But when i want to launch the application, it gives the error "Unable to load the application" and the application does not launch. | 08:01 |
| sarower | What may be the problem..Any body any idea? | 08:01 |
| caotic | this probably makes me sound like a prick but, is it compiled for the tablet processor, if yes, then I have no other ideas | 08:04 |
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| comhack | BHK;L.,' | 08:20 |
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| sarower | caotic: yes it is compiled for the tablet. Basically the process that i have followed is, I compiled it in "X86" target then i made build (debian package) in the "ARMEL" target. | 08:35 |
| sarower | caotic: is there any wrong things that i have did! | 08:36 |
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| caotic | sarower: I have no idea, havent got enought spare time to start compiling my own maemo apps sorry | 08:36 |
| sarower | caotic: Ok thank you | 08:37 |
| sarower | qwerty12_N810: Any idea boss! | 08:38 |
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| sarower | I have made a debian package for Internet tablet, When i am installing it in the device it is installed successfully. But when i want to launch the application, it gives the error "Unable to load the application" and the application does not launch. | 08:54 |
| sarower | What may be the problem..Any body any idea? | 08:54 |
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| timelys | Sarowe | 09:05 |
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| timelys | You can't compile in the intel target | 09:05 |
| timelys | You need to compile in the arm target | 09:05 |
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| Macer | damnit | 09:27 |
| Macer | i get outbid again then i'm just going to get one off amazon for 240 | 09:27 |
| Macer | i'm up to 220 now :) | 09:27 |
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| timelys | Heh | 09:40 |
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| Passeli | hello, i have trouble understanding the new git repository when checking out source code for qt 4.5 | 10:50 |
| Passeli | in page http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4Hildon#Contributing_to_the_Maemo_Qt_Project -> Building Qt from GIT rep | 10:51 |
| Passeli | at step 3, giving command: git checkout -b 4.5 origin/4.5 | 10:52 |
| Passeli | will result error: fatal: Not a git repository | 10:52 |
| Passeli | go i need to change to checked out directory or what? | 10:52 |
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| Passeli | it seems that in the instructions is missing the changing directory step, which is in the "Checking out all the remote branches" part | 10:57 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:01 |
| lbt | hi Jaffa | 11:03 |
| lbt | Passeli: you sorted? | 11:03 |
| lbt | BTW, from last night, Jaffa you said: re Who did you "win" them from, OOI? .... err, Quim ? | 11:05 |
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| Passeli | lbt: yes, i just cd't to qt-maemo dir | 11:07 |
| Jaffa | lbt: thanks | 11:07 |
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| lbt | Passeli: feel free to update the wiki - if it trips you up then it'll trip up someone else | 11:08 |
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| Passeli | lbt: i just updated wiki page | 11:11 |
| lbt | Thanks :) | 11:11 |
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| woglinde | hi lardman | 11:29 |
| lardman | morning all | 11:29 |
| lardman | hey woglinde | 11:29 |
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| florian | good morning | 11:34 |
| lardman | hi florian | 11:35 |
| JoeBrain | mornin lard | 11:35 |
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| danielwilms | btw. there is a new Q&A section for porting applications to fremantle (thx to soumya) in the wiki | 11:36 |
| danielwilms | http://wiki.maemo.org/Q%26A_Porting_to_Fremantle | 11:36 |
| danielwilms | if somebody runs into other issues, please feel free to update and extend the page | 11:37 |
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| lardman | infobot: morning | 11:39 |
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| infobot | Good morning! | 11:40 |
| lardman | oh, boring | 11:40 |
| lardman | infobot: ah, you replied, good stuff | 11:40 |
| lardman | did OMWeather get fixed? | 11:43 |
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| lardman | ah, update in extras-devel | 11:45 |
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| lardman | ah, just needed to remove desktop applet then add it back, strange | 11:49 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: dare I ask, where's my karma? :) | 11:59 |
| timelys | Hg | 11:59 |
| timelys | Heh | 11:59 |
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| linuxhippy | Hi | 12:02 |
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| linuxhippy | does somebody know a collection of kernel-modules for the 770's 2.6.16.27-omap1? | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | fanoush's | 12:07 |
| linuxhippy | I would like to use mine as a traffic-shaper ;) | 12:07 |
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| linuxhippy | fanoush just seems to provide specific modules | 12:09 |
| linuxhippy | has nobody enabled everything as module and uploaded it somewhere? ;) | 12:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Feel free to install the SDK and be the first ;) | 12:10 |
| linuxhippy | :-/ | 12:17 |
| linuxhippy | ok, but be patient with me ^^ | 12:18 |
| lcuk | hey no linuxhippy, cut your hair, get a job, compile those modules :p | 12:27 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: Don't ask me, I'm not the one assigned in that bug. | 12:27 |
| talig | Hi again everyone. I need some help with packaging on Scratchbox. Anyone around who ever packaged Python on Scratchbox? [please don't give me tutorial links, I've read them all] | 12:28 |
| lcuk | mornin folks \o | 12:28 |
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| X-Fade | talig: python itself or a python app? | 12:28 |
| talig | X-Fade: A python app. | 12:28 |
| X-Fade | talig: http://wiki.maemo.org/Py2deb | 12:29 |
| talig | X-Fade: The problem is simple. When i package on scratchbox, it changes my #!/usr/bin/python to #!/scratchbox/tools/bin/python which will obviously not run on the device... | 12:29 |
| talig | X-Fade: Been there, not what I need. | 12:29 |
| X-Fade | talig: Well at least that works :) | 12:30 |
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| talig | X-Fade: That packages on the device, of course that will work. | 12:30 |
| talig | X-Fade: Hardly answers the problem of packaging on Scratchbox, now, does it? | 12:31 |
| lardman | X-Fade: ah, ok | 12:31 |
| X-Fade | talig: No need to get annoyed so quickly. | 12:31 |
| talig | X-Fade: I'm not | 12:32 |
| lardman | should this create a list full of zeros of length AVERAGE_LENGTH? gx_array = [range(AVERAGE_LENGTH)*0] | 12:32 |
| * lcuk puts his hand up | 12:33 | |
| lardman | yes young man in the front | 12:33 |
| lardman | and put your cigarette out in class! | 12:34 |
| lcuk | :D errrr doesnt the *0 make everything 0 | 12:34 |
| lardman | I want a list full of zeros though | 12:34 |
| lcuk | ok, but you arent taking my hipflask | 12:34 |
| lardman | lol | 12:34 |
| lcuk | thats not a list of zeros tho is it? | 12:34 |
| lardman | confiscated! | 12:34 |
| lardman | dunno, I thought range() would create a list | 12:35 |
| lardman | perhaps I need the *0 outside the [] | 12:35 |
| lcuk | whats the *0 for ? | 12:35 |
| lardman | making the list full of zeros | 12:35 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Why not just = 0? | 12:35 |
| lardman | I need a list | 12:36 |
| lardman | array | 12:36 |
| lcuk | malloc | 12:36 |
| lardman | python | 12:36 |
| woglinde | tmalloc | 12:36 |
| lcuk | no need to swear! | 12:36 |
| lardman | what's tmalloc? | 12:37 |
| lardman | can't find it no Google | 12:37 |
| lardman | looks like it's not Python anyway | 12:37 |
| lardman | ~lart learning new languages | 12:37 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over learning new languages, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 12:37 | |
| woglinde | hm ah talloc | 12:38 |
| woglinde | the malloc from samba | 12:38 |
| woglinde | with some more comfort | 12:38 |
| lardman | thanks, but it must be possible to do without needing to add C code in to provide a new Python fn | 12:39 |
| linuxhippy | hmm, scratchbox doesn't seem to work anymore on recent Fedora releases: | 12:39 |
| linuxhippy | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! | 12:39 |
| lardman | linuxhippy: there's a fix for that | 12:39 |
| qwerty12_N810 | In the release notes, it talks of disabling VDSO | 12:40 |
| qwerty12_N810 | linuxhippy: ^ | 12:40 |
| linuxhippy | thx, I'll have a look | 12:40 |
| linuxhippy | hmm, I don't have /proc/sys/kernel/vsdo | 12:41 |
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| lardman | need a new kernel that does then probably | 12:42 |
| yerga | lardman, try with gx_array = [0]*AVERAGE_LENGTH | 12:43 |
| linuxhippy | ah, disabling vsdo at runtime is gone | 12:43 |
| linuxhippy | vdso=0 is required at boot time | 12:43 |
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| lardman | yerga: AVERAGE_LENGTH is a scalar | 12:43 |
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| lardman | hmm, no matter anyway, just filled with incremental numbers as it will soon be overwritten | 12:49 |
| lardman | so now the acceleration data is nice and smooth, the horizon won't display :( | 12:49 |
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| lardman | hmm, probably the Bluetooth polling code is too tight now | 12:53 |
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| lardman | anyone know if, when I use the time.sleep() fn it will suspend the entire Python runtime, or just whichever thread is running - I think I need to let a screen update event be handled | 13:00 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: I think it'll sleep the thread only. But by default the screen update stuff happens in the same thread. Dunno if you automatically get a screen update thread in PyGtk; I suspect not. | 13:04 |
| lardman | yeah it does you're right | 13:04 |
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| lardman | hmm, in which case perhaps my return values are bad and that's stopping the update from happening. Strange | 13:05 |
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| lardman | the annoying thing is that I can't see what I've done to stop it working | 13:06 |
| linuxhippy | any idea where to get Nokia's 2.6.16.27 kernel source from? | 13:06 |
| lardman | linuxhippy: the repo I guess | 13:08 |
| Passeli | does anyone know if Qt 4.5 libs are count as "OS package" -> http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras/3rd_Party_Package_Policy ? | 13:08 |
| Passeli | for diablo | 13:08 |
| lardman | Jaffa: hmm, so the horizon has come back (I added a couple of print statements to update_display()), but now the data seems very laggy | 13:08 |
| X-Fade | Passeli: 3rd party policy will only be for fremantle. | 13:09 |
| lardman | lol I added the print statements but didn't copy the file across, so it's just started working anyway - mental effort | 13:09 |
| Passeli | X-Fade: ok, thanks | 13:09 |
| X-Fade | Passeli: And QT isn't a system lib. Although you shouldn't have strict deps on it anyway? | 13:10 |
| linuxhippy | lardman: ah, looked in the wrong one, thx :) | 13:10 |
| Jaffa | lardman: heh | 13:11 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: there's a 5s lag or something like that - I need to find a way to slow down the updates, or get them thrown away until I ask for them | 13:12 |
| Passeli | X-Fade: well, is the newer libs broke the app, then it is needed | 13:12 |
| Passeli | like it is in our case | 13:12 |
| X-Fade | Passeli: That is always a bit of a problem. If you do that, then one day your app might be forcefully uninstalled because it is blocking a SSU. | 13:13 |
| X-Fade | Passeli: Although in Fremantle QT will not be inside SSUs. | 13:14 |
| Passeli | X-Fade: then it should se "safe bet" to put exact dependecy to specific version of package ? i guess ... | 13:15 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: So for the Wiimote you have to poll it yourself, you can't do it on demand? | 13:17 |
| X-Fade | Passeli: Yeah, there probably is no good way of approaching this. | 13:17 |
| X-Fade | Passeli: It will break either way :) | 13:17 |
| lardman | Jaffa: no you do it on demand, but it looks like the socket gets backed up with all the old data | 13:18 |
| lardman | so the device broadcasts messages giving the accel/button/etc status all the time | 13:19 |
| lardman | hmm, still a 3s lag | 13:20 |
| lardman | after reading the socket twice, throwing away the first set of data | 13:20 |
| X-Fade | lardman: blocking? | 13:22 |
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| lardman | yep | 13:23 |
| lardman | up to 5 reads now, blocking on each, and it's not too laggy | 13:23 |
| lardman | must be a better way than this | 13:24 |
| X-Fade | lardman: And are you reading until there is no data left? | 13:25 |
| lardman | hard to tell, I'm just reading 1024 bytes each time | 13:25 |
| X-Fade | Read 100k? :) | 13:25 |
| lardman | I need to check the manual to see if I can read the entire buffer at once | 13:25 |
| lardman | s/if/how | 13:26 |
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| lardman | hmm, so I have to give socket.recv() a buffer size | 13:27 |
| lardman | shame I can't just purge the buffer then read from it | 13:27 |
| lardman | purge the socket-side buffer that is | 13:27 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Well, just read in a loop until you receive less than 1024 bytes? | 13:28 |
| lardman | true | 13:28 |
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| * lardman checks on the syntax of Python while looks | 13:29 | |
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| X-Fade | lardman: while 1: data = conn.recv(1024) if not data: break | 13:31 |
| X-Fade | lardman: http://docs.python.org/library/socket.html#example | 13:32 |
| lardman | thanks, have something similar, but not making much difference | 13:32 |
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| X-Fade | Can't you 'select' on the socket? | 13:33 |
| lardman | I think it's possible, but I don't know | 13:33 |
| lardman | will have to do some readong | 13:34 |
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| lardman | with that said, this way should clear the buffer albeit in a slightly hacky way | 13:34 |
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| lardman | but it's still got a big lag when the horizon is drawn, I wonder if it's the invalidation stuff that's slowing things down | 13:34 |
| lardman | invalidation then redraw that is | 13:34 |
| lardman | anyone else have a wiimote and fancy doing some testing? | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: ping | 13:35 |
| lardman | If the horizon isn't draw, and that happens sometimes, the output data in the term is nice and responsive. When the horizon is being drawn is slows right down | 13:35 |
| lardman | I imagine we might be queuing calls to the update_display() function (otherwise the buffer should be cleared and display new data no matter what) | 13:37 |
| X-Fade | Maybe horizon doesn't return to the mainloop? | 13:37 |
| Jaffa | lardman: On an N810 the horizon drawing is quite slow | 13:39 |
| lardman | it does, sets up a gobject.timeout_add() call to the update_display() fn | 13:39 |
| Jaffa | lardman: I'd estimate about 5fps | 13:39 |
| lardman | Jaffa: ok, I wonder if I should disable the timer when I enter the update_display() fn, then reenable it as I leave | 13:39 |
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| lardman | hmm or not, I quote: "the time of the next timeout is recalculated based on the current time and the given interval" | 13:41 |
| lardman | http://doc.async.com.br/python/pygtk/reference/gobject-functions.html#function-gobject--timeout-add | 13:41 |
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| lardman | so it shouldn't matter, the timer should restart once the fn returns | 13:41 |
| Jaffa | lardman: Yeah (otherwise the demo fly-through would get increasingly out of sync) | 13:41 |
| lardman | yep, sure | 13:42 |
| Jaffa | And would make larger and larger jumps (as far as the user was concerned) | 13:42 |
| lardman | that's what I get :) | 13:42 |
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| lardman | with the wiimote | 13:42 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: I'd be tempted to have a separate thread reading from the wiimote socket and updating your provider's "next_return_value" | 13:44 |
| lardman | yes, that might be a good idea, assuming I can sleep/block it for a bit | 13:44 |
| lbt | well behaved makefile : http://pastebin.com/d11b36ac6 | 13:44 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: True, you'd ideally stop reading from the file when the app was backgrounded | 13:46 |
| lardman | X-Fade: your while loop never returns, looks like it is filled more quickly than I can read from it | 13:46 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: Then increase your buffer size? | 13:46 |
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| lardman | hmm, may be | 13:46 |
| lardman | I think I'll loop until it's less than 1024 in length, then take the next one - should be reasonably fresh that way | 13:47 |
| X-Fade | It depends on the data rate and the rate at which you read it :) | 13:47 |
| lardman | yep | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: sorry for all the scratchboxism reports, i just think it's time to get them fixed :) | 13:48 |
| lardman | but if my while loop has only the read command in it, I guess that once it's not completely full it should be pretty much the right time | 13:48 |
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| lardman | s/read/recv | 13:48 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, no sorry needed. in fact i'm happy to get such stuff :) | 13:49 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: components in desktop platform is bloody confusing :P | 13:53 |
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| andre__ | Stskeeps, feel free to share your complaints... next component reorg will happen anyway when nokia starts including the kitchensink for the N9009 | 13:54 |
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| Stskeeps | well, it might just be me not being able to map "libhildon" to "hildon-widgets" ;) | 13:56 |
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| VDVsx | lbt, your makefile is written in prolog ? lolol | 13:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | i think the components in desktop were designed by the idiots who owned desktop | 13:57 |
| lbt | :D | 13:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lbt: seen the targets in fdupes' Makefile? :P | 13:58 |
| lbt | no... | 13:58 |
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| andre__ | Stskeeps, problem is that 50% want it to be called A while 50% want it to be called B. it's not the first time somebody complains :-/ | 14:00 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lbt: http://pastebin.com/d579b68ae | 14:00 |
| lbt | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/karmic/fdupes/karmic/annotate/head%3A/Makefile | 14:00 |
| lbt | heh | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: let's identify it by GPS coordinates of the developer ;p | 14:01 |
| andre__ | ehehe | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | "sure, you can get it fixed. if you can find him/her!" | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:04 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, the component explanation already covers "libhildon" i just see | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | ah, there's explanations? | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | i just saw the list in the guide :P | 14:04 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: that's not fair | 14:06 |
| timeless_mbp | people would just guess @HEL | 14:06 |
| timeless_mbp | and they'd be right too often | 14:06 |
| timeless_mbp | GPS coordinates of the developer's birth place | 14:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Desktop%20platform&format=guided | 14:07 |
| timeless_mbp | https://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Desktop%20platform | 14:07 |
| timeless_mbp | you can get to the latter link by clicking "components" in enter_bug for the product, or any bug in the product... | 14:07 |
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| lardman | cu chaps later on, have to go do some work :) | 14:10 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: any good idea where to file bugs for wpeditor package? :) | 14:21 |
| * Stskeeps goes for 'general' | 14:23 | |
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| rkirti | Stskeeps: whats up with that package ? Are you talking 2.23 ? | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | rkirti: yeah | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | it's just a sb-ism in this case, it seems pretty well behaved otherwise | 14:23 |
| rkirti | Stskeeps: the sb-ism being ? | 14:24 |
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| Stskeeps | well, i guess we need a new word for those things that are assumptions that certain packages exist in a build environment but they typically do not | 14:24 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, good question. do i have 10min to find an answer? | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: sure | 14:25 |
| andre__ | currently they are under Email and Notes because both components use it. | 14:25 |
| rkirti | Stskeeps: ah...the usual sb-will-have-it story | 14:25 |
| * andre__ takes a look at the internal structure and tries to steal ideas | 14:25 | |
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| Stskeeps | rkirti: sbwhisms? ;p | 14:26 |
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| andre__ | Stskeeps, hah... Nokia does not have a wpeditor product either. bugs are either in email or notes. hmmm... damn, now i have to think myself ;-) | 14:34 |
| lcuk | lbt, "make install" .. "no" you need sudo, silly :p | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: sometimes i think a bit of Getting Things Done would help a bit on maemo bugtracking: if it takes less than 5 minutes to fix and will take longer to discuss and argue, you fix right away :P | 14:35 |
| andre__ | oh yeah. big +1 | 14:35 |
| lcuk | +1000 internets | 14:35 |
| Myrtti | reminds me of http://twitter.com/fernando_takai/status/1228071007 | 14:36 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, you could also argue that fistfights are a good method for deciding who actually fixes the bug | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: at this moment i'm expecting a 'this patch is against 2.19, not 2.22" answer to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4845 | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | which is at what point i give up on technology and become a monk, true to my surname | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Munk by name, monk by nature? | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:39 |
| andre__ | heh. call me rattle, according to my surname :-) | 14:39 |
| Veggen | Munk? shouldn | 14:39 |
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| Veggen | 't surprise me if we are related, way back :P | 14:40 |
| * qwerty12_N810 hopes someone doesn't do a name, nature on my surname... | 14:40 | |
| Stskeeps | mm, doubt it - my dad was adopted, so | 14:40 |
| Veggen | (tho, around 16-something) | 14:40 |
| Veggen | just remember the name from my genealogybase, and that it was from Denmark. | 14:41 |
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| andre__ | Stskeeps, please file wpeditor bugs against Notes and put "wpeditor:" in the subject, I'd say | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: alright | 14:41 |
| andre__ | internal package fixed i've found were always filed against Notes... | 14:41 |
| andre__ | s/fixed/fixes | 14:41 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: isn't it a bit overkill to ask for a patch when it is very clearly described? :) | 14:45 |
| andre__ | yes, it is. and claudio is quite active, but still, imagine the current internal workload that people have... sigh | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 14:46 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, a 5 minute interuption for a dev can cause drastic results. its the same with meetings: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/07/27/1528201/Managers-Schedule-vs-Makers-Schedule | 14:58 |
| sge | Hi, is it straight forward to compile the latest linux-omap-2.6 for n810? Will it do to use n800_defconfig? Or should I stick to compiling existing diablo kernel? | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | sge: take a look at http://elinux.org/N800 | 15:04 |
| sge | Stskeeps: thank you | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | and help out if you have the ability :) | 15:06 |
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| GAN8001 | Is Talk still down? | 15:29 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: WORKSFORME | 15:31 |
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| thux | that old unix program? talk | 15:32 |
| ShadowJK | I remember using that :) | 15:33 |
| thux | yeah it was funny :) | 15:33 |
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| ShadowJK | it was useful | 15:35 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I noticed a partial rendering of the page earlier. Has been fine for the last couple of hours, tho | 15:37 |
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| lardman | re | 15:41 |
| lardman | derf: we've something new to work on: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6570871.stm | 15:42 |
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| mozPike | jeremiah_afk: thanks for your comment in the bug. The list of files in the packaged dir is at http://pastebin.mozilla.org/664944. Anything you're particularly interested in or would you rather have a complete tarball? | 15:50 |
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| lcuk | lardman_, theres another nother one too : http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/07/27/1459229/Researchers-Debut-Barcode-Replacement | 15:51 |
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| lardman__ | lcuk: yeah I saw that one, but didn't think it would be out for a while :) | 15:54 |
| lcuk | no, i dont think its goin g to replace barcodes for normal products either | 15:54 |
| lardman__ | looks quite cool, but needs LEDs, etc, for each product | 15:55 |
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| lcuk | lardman_, yeah, useful for places with power, but not good for your cerials | 16:05 |
| lcuk | ie the normal places where barcodes are used | 16:05 |
| lardman | actually if the power is small enough you could use it as a best-before data too, no barcode no eat :) | 16:05 |
| lardman | bad for corned beef | 16:06 |
| lcuk | heh, change the brightness to suit, that might actually work | 16:06 |
| lcuk | tho i like the idea of dissapearing ink better | 16:07 |
| lcuk | if you can still read the label, the food should be fine | 16:07 |
| lcuk | it can be tweaked and doesnt require power :D | 16:07 |
| lardman | except if you didn;t know something was supposed to be written there | 16:07 |
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| VDVsx | ~seen dneary | 17:11 |
| infobot | dneary <n=dneary@ALyon-152-1-89-234.w86-200.abo.wanadoo.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 15d 20h 17m 32s ago, saying: 'Yes for framework, ask them to submit a canola the applicatioon talk'. | 17:11 |
| jeez_ | hey people, does anyone know if there is any "trick" in Maemo 5 API to start an application on Portrait mode ? | 17:19 |
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| jeez_ | I've seen the Hildon/GTK API but nothing for Qt yet ?! | 17:24 |
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| X-Fade | jeez_: It is not officially supported. | 17:26 |
| RST38h | jeez: Not in Maemo5 | 17:26 |
| X-Fade | jeez_: Current status is: It is nice if it works, but don't count on it. | 17:27 |
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| jeez_ | X-Fade: but there is something for that so?1 even if it is a draft or hack it would help | 17:27 |
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| X-Fade | jeez_: I haven't seen anything for QT yet, but there should be others here who know more about it. | 17:40 |
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| jeez_ | X-Fade: thanks :) | 17:42 |
| jeez_ | anyone | 17:42 |
| jeez_ | ? | 17:42 |
| jeez_ | Qt-Maemo Fremantle has a configure flag called -hildon, but I'm not sure what that is used for | 17:42 |
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| danielwilms | jeez_: here is described, what changes in maemo http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4_Hildon#Maemo_Qt_API_Reference | 18:05 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: ping | 18:07 |
| javispedro | timeless_mbp, hi | 18:07 |
| timeless_mbp | hi | 18:07 |
| timeless_mbp | so, um... | 18:07 |
| timeless_mbp | can you install sysklogd ? | 18:07 |
| timeless_mbp | syslog might say something like "oom killer killed browser" | 18:07 |
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| javispedro | shouldn't the kernel log say so too? | 18:08 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, it would have | 18:08 |
| javispedro | it didn't | 18:08 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 18:08 | |
| timeless_mbp | ok | 18:08 |
| * timeless_mbp visits mxr.maemo.org | 18:08 | |
| * timeless_mbp busy-waits | 18:08 | |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, i delivered the url to a flash guy who insists he'd rather be on vacation (coming soon) | 18:09 |
| jeez_ | danilocesar: hmm... ok, thanks. | 18:09 |
| jeez_ | but nothing about screen rotation =// | 18:09 |
| javispedro | thanks :) | 18:09 |
| javispedro | also, my tablet battery has just died and I want to give it a full charge, so no tests today :( | 18:11 |
| javispedro | timeless_mbp, if you want to replicate I can send you the "sample".. I have one version that causes OoM (browserd throws bad_alloc) and another one which does not (the one described in the bug) | 18:14 |
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| jeez_ | hmm... ok, last question :P | 18:24 |
| jeez_ | Can't I use xrandr inside fremantle ? | 18:24 |
| jeez_ | libxrandr is available but not the binary xrandr | 18:24 |
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| Stskeeps | there's an API maybe | 18:25 |
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| jeez_ | Stskeeps: but just for gtk/hildon | 18:26 |
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| jeez_ | argh, I need to rotate the screen on qt =// | 18:26 |
| timeless_mbp | so... bad_alloc is pretty much expected and acceptable | 18:27 |
| timeless_mbp | the other one, yeah, i suppose it would be vaguely useful | 18:27 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't personally want it in my mailbox | 18:27 |
| timeless_mbp | ask andre__ if he wouldn't mind sending it along | 18:28 |
| * timeless_mbp kicks dreamhost | 18:28 | |
| andre__ | hmm? | 18:29 |
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| pete| | ehlp | 18:30 |
| pete| | ehlo | 18:30 |
| pete| | anay new news from n900? | 18:30 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | Welcome pete|@www.psmedia.fi! | 18:30 |
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| ShadowJK | not really | 18:30 |
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| pete| | :( | 18:30 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | it'll be able to cook coffee and juggle with 3 tennis balls | 18:31 |
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| ShadowJK | But no milk or sugar, except in the N901 model that has milk and sugar, but no coffee - in typical nokia market segmentation style. ;-) | 18:32 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | It'll also be able to delay the mother-in-law until you could surreptitiously leave the building | 18:32 |
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| andre__ | pete|, "it's ready when it's ready" :-P | 18:32 |
| pete| | :) | 18:33 |
| andre__ | the kitchen sink still leaks, that's what's blocking the N900 release | 18:33 |
| ShadowJK | I heard apple is making a tablet with built-in hairtrimmer, it would use the proximity sensor to guide you | 18:33 |
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| andre__ | oops, i probably broke my nda with that comment | 18:33 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ShadowJK, ah, AMD processor... | 18:33 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | heat-trimmed | 18:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | andre__: in that case, mind breaking it some more? :) | 18:34 |
| ShadowJK | CutMeOwnThroat, frankly those AMD processor have only ever trimmed my fingertops | 18:34 |
| andre__ | qwerty12_N810, :-D | 18:34 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ShadowJK, that means it works in principle! Just need to improve precision on what's trimmed | 18:35 |
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| javispedro | The nation’s cellphone networks could suffer “potentially catastrophic” cyberattacks by iPhone-wielding hackers at home and abroad if iPhone owners are permitted to legally jailbreak their shiny wireless devices — that’s what Apple claims. | 18:35 |
| ShadowJK | besides, you know how it goes, even if it mutilates the apple fans, they'll claim they WANTED to only have bloody stumps for paws and that the iphone fingerpainting UI was already optimized for it ;-) | 18:36 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | they aren't? | 18:37 |
| javispedro | what's next? "installing google voice on the iphone will attract asteroids to your home planet, so don't do it" | 18:37 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: it's true actually | 18:37 |
| timeless_mbp | the same problem exists for nokia and all other cell phone vendors | 18:37 |
| timeless_mbp | the cell network was designed like the original internet | 18:37 |
| javispedro | indeed, but I can also bring my bulldozer to a cell tower and "bring it down" too | 18:38 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | why wouldn't you be allowed to break into a device you own? | 18:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | the servers trust that there would never be any evil clients | 18:38 |
| timeless_mbp | CutMeOwnThroat: the issue is that the device is in a position to do significant harm to the network | 18:38 |
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| * timeless_mbp ponders | 18:39 | |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | what type of damage? | 18:40 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, that's not really a point... | 18:40 |
| timeless_mbp | it is | 18:40 |
| timeless_mbp | do you remember what happened when apple released their 3g phones? | 18:40 |
| timeless_mbp | they basically destroyed the NE corridor | 18:40 |
| timeless_mbp | and that was with a certified stack :) | 18:41 |
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| ShadowJK | oh didn't one set of iphone/ipods DOS wlans too? | 18:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | possibly | 18:41 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm fairly certain that phones are capable of doing much more severe damage than the iPhone cult of doom did then | 18:41 |
| javispedro | is anything about the gsm spec so hidden that there's no way for me to manufacture a phone-like device of doom then? | 18:42 |
| timeless_mbp | no, but you'll be arrested | 18:42 |
| timeless_mbp | it's a licensed airwave | 18:42 |
| timeless_mbp | you aren't allowed to use an unlicensed product in a license controlled range | 18:42 |
| ShadowJK | javispedro, why manufacture, you can mailorder gsm killing devices from China | 18:42 |
| timeless_mbp | FCC in the US | 18:42 |
| ShadowJK | delivered right to your homedoor | 18:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'm not sure if the laws are against use or possession, i believe they're against use | 18:43 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | well, I never could stand mobiles... let the net burn | 18:43 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK, I have my trusty bulldozer for that ;) | 18:43 |
| suihkulokki | airprobe.org =) | 18:43 |
| ShadowJK | 99% of my mobile's use is datapipe to internet :) | 18:44 |
| rkirti | ~seen Sup3rkiddo | 18:45 |
| infobot | sup3rkiddo <n=sudharsh@unaffiliated/sudharsh> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 127d 5m 56s ago, saying: 'its not booting, i read the wiki as well.. strangely enough it worked with my friend's battery'. | 18:45 |
| rkirti | aargh | 18:45 |
| javispedro | why all the gsm fragility does not surprise me | 18:45 |
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| javispedro | <timeless_mbp> the cell network was designed like the original internet <-- and the core current one | 18:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | javispedro: yeah well | 18:46 |
| timeless_mbp | the internet is at least trying to improve | 18:46 |
| ShadowJK | I think every manufacturer's first few generations of 3G phones managed to lose contact to the network regulary, requiring scheduled reboots of your phone :) | 18:47 |
| danilocesar | jeez_: ? | 18:47 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 18:48 | |
| jeez_ | danilocesar: ?! | 18:48 |
| ShadowJK | javispedro, current one? You mean how pakistan (iirc?) could block youtube from the entire world by mistake? :) | 18:48 |
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| javispedro | I mean that there's a lot of trust between nodes | 18:50 |
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| lardman | ~curse FE | 18:51 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, FE ! | 18:51 |
| javispedro | ~FE | 18:52 |
| infobot | somebody said fe was a front end. dondelelcaro-speak for For Example, eg. 'eg.' | 18:52 |
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| lardman | infobot: FE can also mean Finite Element | 18:52 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, i've given up trying to find the penalties section for violating the FCC rules | 18:53 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: guantamo (sp) | 18:54 |
| timeless_mbp | ECLOSED | 18:54 |
| suihkulokki | black helicopters | 18:54 |
| lardman | I like the warning on the front of some DVDs, "blah blah can impose a maximum fine of $X or greater" | 18:54 |
| lardman | useful that message | 18:55 |
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| Macer | well looks like http://tech.rancorous.net is on google | 19:00 |
| Macer | heh | 19:00 |
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| Pavlov | jeremiah_afk: ? | 19:57 |
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| mgedmin | yes! maemo-select-menu-location is finally dead! | 20:20 |
| RST38h | hmm | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | mgedmin: they should really really have made it a no-op | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | now countless of packagaes will break | 20:22 |
| mgedmin | good point | 20:22 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It was in the beginning | 20:22 |
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| mgedmin | someone could upload a tiny transitional package to extras | 20:22 |
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| mikkov_ | is hildon-application-manager still claiming to provide maemo-select-menu-location? | 20:27 |
| RST38h | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/07/thumb160x_9e4bc90dd379dba5a5574d0e14ca49a2.jpg | 20:27 |
| RST38h | pure horror | 20:27 |
| mikkov_ | anybody knows if it's safe to use pyinotify ThreadedNotifier inside desktop applet? | 20:28 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Does hildon-input-method emit a signal when the user chooses to hide it? | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | it cries | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:32 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, the select menu location shouldnt have been in in the first place should it | 20:43 |
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| lcuk | ie its not required for other oses | 20:43 |
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| GAN800 | Silly, silly Talk. | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 20:52 |
| RST38h | frEEmantle again? | 20:52 |
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| GAN800 | The "Perfect time to release Maemo 5." thread would have me cracking up if it weren't so sad. | 20:52 |
| RST38h | ah, that one | 20:53 |
| GAN800 | Flawed comparisons and braindead analysis. | 20:53 |
| GAN800 | It's like watching ESPN. | 20:53 |
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| RST38h | you watch espn? | 20:54 |
| lcuk | yeah we know what your comments look like, what are the others saying :P | 20:54 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, no, but I'm familiar with their program. | 20:55 |
| GAN800 | s/program/programming/ | 20:56 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: RST38h, no, but I'm familiar with their programming. | 20:56 |
| RST38h | eh | 20:56 |
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| lardman | GAN800: by way of reasons I was thinking of adding "because I'd quite like it to be so" | 21:00 |
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| lardman | qwerty12_N810: are you coming to the summit this year? | 21:01 |
| qwerty12_N810 | No | 21:02 |
| lardman | why not! | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | he'd be stuck in the nearest coffeeshop that has wifi and place to put tablet charger.. | 21:02 |
| lardman | while I'm pestering, what about you GAN800? | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:02 |
| lardman | deathly silence..... | 21:04 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: who uses a tablet while getting high? :P | 21:05 |
| lardman | it's the trying that counts I guess :) | 21:05 |
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| Stskeeps | btw, isn't the going total of the whole sponsoring proposal like close to 100 people sponsored or something? | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | i'm wondering about the amounts | 21:05 |
| lardman | yeah, seems like it may be quite a few | 21:06 |
| lardman | I imagine the criteria will have to be tightened | 21:06 |
| lardman | but at least there's a starting point | 21:06 |
| * RST38h will have to do a talk if he applies for sponsorship | 21:06 | |
| * lardman needs to get his karma back to apply for sponsorship | 21:07 | |
| Stskeeps | also, there's a lot of overlap in that list | 21:07 |
| RST38h | lardman: run over Bill Gates or something | 21:07 |
| lardman | nah, I have the emails, they've just not been counted | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | like, let's say that i was speaking in a proper session, would my seating then be subtracted in the mer slots, or :) | 21:08 |
| lardman | I need to talk to bergie and ask him what's going on | 21:08 |
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| lardman | oo, with the extra karma I might just slip inside the top 25 | 21:11 |
| lcuk | lardman, don't esteemed retired council members still get all the perks :D | 21:12 |
| lcuk | its not like you were kicked out of office lol | 21:12 |
| lardman | yeah, but that's further down the list, I thought I should have more than that for a reason :) | 21:12 |
| lardman | oi, what rumours have they been spreading!? :D | 21:12 |
| lcuk | heh | 21:12 |
| lcuk | did you make your array | 21:14 |
| lardman | yeah, not quite what I wanted, but it works | 21:14 |
| lardman | shame that the response is still really slow, not sure what the problem is, will have to do some more debugging | 21:15 |
| lcuk | mmm | 21:15 |
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| lcuk | the one thing i noticed was you ask for 1024 bytes from the socket | 21:15 |
| lcuk | does it wait for all 1024 bytes | 21:15 |
| lcuk | or is that just a max buffer | 21:15 |
| lardman | max buffer size | 21:15 |
| GAN800 | lardman, I nearly put, "Because I'm fscking GeneralAntilles, is why." | 21:16 |
| lcuk | fair enough | 21:16 |
| lardman | GAN800: lol, nice | 21:17 |
| lardman | lcuk: yeah not sure what's up, it should work. I've obviously missed something, c'est la vie | 21:17 |
| lcuk | hah - blame it all on python | 21:18 |
| lardman | seems fair :) | 21:18 |
| lardman | though it is pretty good for hacking together quick apps, at least I can see it will be once I can remembe the syntax, etc. :) | 21:19 |
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| lcuk | lardman, couldnt agree more actually | 21:21 |
| GAN800 | lardman, it's Quim, some council people and maybe one more deciding sponsorship, so. . . . | 21:21 |
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| lcuk | i hate the syntax tho | 21:22 |
| lardman | it's growing on me | 21:23 |
| lardman | GAN800: ok, I'll stop being rude to you then ;) | 21:23 |
| lardman | :D | 21:23 |
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| lardman | bbiab | 21:24 |
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| lcuk | >>> Schumacher to return for Ferrari <<< | 21:48 |
| lcuk | :D | 21:48 |
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| lcuk | pisser about massa | 21:49 |
| lcuk | but fkin A :D | 21:49 |
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| LinuxCode | wouldnt it be funny if he won | 21:51 |
| LinuxCode | rofl | 21:51 |
| LinuxCode | 3 years out of practice, jump in and win | 21:52 |
| LinuxCode | and pawn them all! | 21:52 |
| lcuk | :D | 21:52 |
| lcuk | he is the one person i would put money on actually being able to | 21:52 |
| lcuk | even jacob smiled :D | 21:53 |
| lcuk | for his first few years he equated f1 and ferraris with schumacher and didnt quite get why it changed lol | 21:53 |
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| wazd | http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/072009/29/anek/4.jpg | 21:56 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps, sponsor 100 participants is a lot of money, I would say 50-60 max, but just a guess :P | 21:57 |
| VDVsx | wazd, lol | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: yeah that was why i think it should be shrinked a bit | 21:58 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps, last year 51, so | 21:58 |
| lcuk | lol, sts secretly planning to get nokia sponsoring 1 single person (hopefully him) to have exclusive use of a hotel, its hookers and a coffee shop for the weekend | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | it's not called hookers, it's prostitutes | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | And what's wrong with that? :P | 21:59 |
| lcuk | nothing, if you are over 18 :P | 21:59 |
| * lcuk codes | 22:00 | |
| erik____ | lcuk: tell me if it works. I'll apply for a bl^w^wjob at Nokia :) | 22:01 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Hmm, here's a link with lots of hookahs: http://schmoffly.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/hookah-sale.jpg | 22:01 |
| lcuk | lol qwerty12_N810 you havin a garage sale? | 22:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | We've only the one :\ | 22:03 |
| lcuk | shameful | 22:03 |
| lcuk | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=14925 | 22:03 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq5NtbyEgbk | 22:04 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Gah! Their punishment should be having to use those guns that they have in their hands against themselves | 22:05 |
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| xnt14[work] | O. M. F. G. I GOT MY X52!!!!! | 22:29 |
| * xnt14[work] screams!!!! | 22:29 | |
| xnt14[work] | xD | 22:29 |
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| VDVsx | ~burn xnt14's X52 | 22:32 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over xnt14's X52, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 22:32 | |
| VDVsx | hehehe | 22:32 |
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| karatchov | hello, plz can sombody assist me in building a deb file ? | 22:45 |
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| karatchov | I just compiled and built kchmviewer, I can't figure out how to statically link libchm | 22:48 |
| karatchov | and how to produce the final deb file | 22:48 |
| karatchov | hello, any help ? | 22:49 |
| erik____ | to statically link a lib, you have to build the lib in static mode --static in ld | 22:50 |
| erik____ | (from memory) | 22:50 |
| karatchov | it's built in both shared and static mode | 22:52 |
| erik____ | so you have a .a file | 22:52 |
| karatchov | yes | 22:52 |
| erik____ | which should be the static version of the lib | 22:52 |
| erik____ | just consider this file as a binary file when linking your application | 22:53 |
| erik____ | ld foo.o bar.o lib.a | 22:53 |
| karatchov | i use qmake & make to build kchmviewer, I have no idea how to make it use the static lib | 22:54 |
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| erik____ | you'll probably have to edit the makefile then | 22:54 |
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| karatchov | I tried to look in the .pro file and in the makefile, but I cant find a single line including "libchm." | 22:55 |
| erik____ | selecting whether you use static or dynamic linking should be done by the configure script | 22:55 |
| karatchov | except that this is a QT application, configuring is done by qmake | 22:56 |
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| erik____ | I never used that. can't help | 22:57 |
| lbt | anyone know about dsme? | 22:58 |
| lbt | advanced-backlight stuff? | 22:58 |
| lbt | struct dsme_message suggests you pass an address of a brightness value to dsme? | 22:58 |
| toggles_1 | lbt: link to code? | 22:59 |
| lbt | meh | 22:59 |
| lbt | http://pastebin.com/d477bf013 | 23:00 |
| lbt | 32 | 23:00 |
| toggles_1 | i think it's just casting the brightnes level to a void *, it's not a valid ptr | 23:01 |
| lbt | but it's not is it | 23:01 |
| lbt | that's what I thought | 23:01 |
| lbt | overloading a *value with a value in this msg | 23:02 |
| lbt | nice | 23:02 |
| toggles_1 | yeah | 23:02 |
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| esaym153 | how does the fn key work on the n810? | 23:30 |
| esaym153 | do you have to hold it down for it to work? | 23:30 |
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| chx | afaik both works | 23:33 |
| chx | ie hold and press another and then release | 23:33 |
| chx | or click, press another | 23:33 |
| chx | even double click, press several, click again to make it disappear | 23:33 |
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| anders_gud | http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/29/nokia-n97-mini-gets-pictured-in-the-wild/ | 23:33 |
| anders_gud | n900? | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 23:34 |
| javispedro | why? | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | anders_gud: one easy way to do it.. check the keyboard layout | 23:35 |
| chx | yeah others suspect that too in the comments | 23:36 |
| esaym153 | chx: sounds good thank you | 23:36 |
| anders_gud | Mypaint runs on Mer, I get pressure values but inversed | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | anders_gud: you get them in 0.15 now i hope? | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | inversed? oh bloody hell.. | 23:36 |
| anders_gud | Yes :-) | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | that would explain some bugs | 23:37 |
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| anders_gud | Got it to build on the n810 using source + dsc from getdeb if you want to try it out | 23:47 |
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| anders_gud | http://archive.getdeb.net/getdeb/ubuntu/jaunty/my/ | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | i guess we can drop it into OBS easily | 23:48 |
| anders_gud | trivial build mostly python... | 23:48 |
| anders_gud | but not hildonized | 23:48 |
| anders_gud | yet... | 23:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | You've done it once before :P | 23:49 |
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| anders_gud | you can print the pressure values in the debug mnu | 23:49 |
| anders_gud | menu | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | it's funny it's reversed though - it's same xomap as on diablo | 23:49 |
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| anders_gud | took a while to figure, seemed like random at first... | 23:51 |
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