| RST38h | started converting it to qt, no doubt =) | 00:01 |
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| Stskeeps | & | 00:02 |
| `0660_ | do you think the next device will be compatible with harmattan? | 00:02 |
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| slonopotamus | `0660, of course not! | 00:16 |
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| wazd | slonopotamus: mark the sarkasm with smiles :) | 00:21 |
| slonopotamus | wazd, oh, right, sorry | 00:21 |
| wazd | slonopotamus: maybe it's a Gizmodo writer :) | 00:21 |
| wazd | slonopotamus: he will take it too close to his heart :) | 00:22 |
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| `0660 | :) | 00:26 |
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| `0660 | i guess the gtk support will be pretty good in harmattan, as it will be the primary toolkit in fremantle | 00:29 |
| `0660 | it won't need much community work | 00:29 |
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| slonopotamus | if anyone cares, i've released 0.1 versions of fb_text2screen and open-wlan-cal: http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0#subprojects | 01:53 |
| slonopotamus | 02:53am... yikes! | 01:54 |
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| xnt14 | ~seen b-man16 | 05:29 |
| infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man16@cpe-98-30-195-117.woh.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 23h 22m 16s ago, saying: 'i'm shure you can find one for under $200 ;)'. | 05:29 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 05:29 |
| xnt14 | ~seen FireFox16 | 05:29 |
| infobot | firefox16 <n=b-man16@cpe-98-30-195-117.woh.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 10d 22h 2m 30s ago, saying: 'damn :('. | 05:29 |
| xnt14 | ~seen IceFox16 | 05:29 |
| infobot | i haven't seen 'icefox16', xnt14 | 05:29 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 05:29 |
| xnt14 | :P | 05:29 |
| * xnt14 got a google wave invite!!! | 05:30 | |
| xnt14 | hmm | 05:30 |
| xnt14 | well its not bad | 05:30 |
| chx | xnt14: where????? | 05:30 |
| xnt14 | still needs some ui inprovments and it needs to cut back on ram usage | 05:30 |
| chx | xnt14: I would like a Google Wave invite so bad it hurts. | 05:30 |
| xnt14 | chx, sign up for the dev invite form thing :P | 05:31 |
| xnt14 | thats what i did | 05:31 |
| chx | oh? where? | 05:31 |
| xnt14 | I signed up two weeks ago | 05:31 |
| xnt14 | and I got activated today | 05:31 |
| xnt14 | :P https://services.google.com/fb/forms/wavesignupfordev/ | 05:31 |
| xnt14 | well | 05:31 |
| xnt14 | I tried it on my nit | 05:32 |
| xnt14 | it crashed microb so bad it crashed the whole os :P | 05:32 |
| xnt14 | it needs MAJOR ram improvements :P | 05:32 |
| xnt14 | my ipod crashed, but not instantly | 05:32 |
| * xnt14 wonders if he should make a maemo/mer wave.... | 05:33 | |
| GAN8001 | It didn't crash MicroB | 05:33 |
| GAN8001 | Triggered the watchdog | 05:33 |
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| xnt14 | well, it rebooted my nit | 05:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Right, at 100% CPU for too long. | 05:34 |
| xnt14 | I thought it took up all the ram :P | 05:34 |
| xnt14 | on iPhoneOS, the kernel reboots if the ram gets full | 05:35 |
| * xnt14 wonders if there are people in here who are on google wave.. | 05:36 | |
| xnt14 | *... | 05:36 |
| xnt14 | hmm... http://gizmodo.com/5317680/nokia-trademarks-c+series-of-devices | 05:38 |
| xnt14 | maemo phones? :P | 05:38 |
| xnt14 | err | 05:38 |
| xnt14 | maemo 5 phones? :P | 05:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | OOM killer generally kills apps, but doesn't reboot. | 05:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems unlikely | 05:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Netbooks seems like a more believable story to me. | 05:39 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 05:39 |
| xnt14 | your right | 05:39 |
| xnt14 | nokia C1? :P | 05:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Engadget's coverage of the filing is particularly hilarious. | 05:40 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | "crap" | 05:41 |
| xnt14 | lol: http://gizmodo.com/5317285/full+size-gundam-get-attacked-by-laser-during-inaugural-ceremony/gallery/ | 05:56 |
| chx | This is pretty silly to ask, i know (remember? i do not have an n810. lost one which i had only for a few weeks) but is there an MP3 player on the N810? A good one... like Songbird on the desktop. | 05:57 |
| xnt14 | well | 05:57 |
| xnt14 | I use mpd + sonata, works pretty well for me..... | 05:58 |
| chx | ? i want to play the music on the device | 05:59 |
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| xnt14 | mpd is a background program which plays music in the background | 06:01 |
| xnt14 | and | 06:01 |
| xnt14 | sonata is a nice gui interface to mpd | 06:01 |
| xnt14 | by the way mpd stands for music player daemon | 06:02 |
| xnt14 | :P | 06:02 |
| chx | i know | 06:02 |
| chx | but i thought that runs on a desktop and sonata is a remote? | 06:02 |
| xnt14 | mpd can run on the device itself too | 06:03 |
| chx | interestin' | 06:03 |
| xnt14 | sometimes, I run mpd on my nit and I run sonata on my desktop for easy song change | 06:04 |
| xnt14 | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mpd/ | 06:04 |
| xnt14 | and sonata is in the repos | 06:04 |
| chx | great, thanks | 06:04 |
| xnt14 | just download all the debs onto the nit and install via app manager or dpkg | 06:04 |
| xnt14 | np :) | 06:04 |
| xnt14 | you just need the deb files from the mpd section and the libs section ;) | 06:05 |
| xnt14 | mpc is for command line controll | 06:05 |
| xnt14 | and a2dpd is for stereo bt headphones | 06:06 |
| chx | oh, i am old fashioned and use wires. | 06:06 |
| chx | I have a Bose QC3. | 06:06 |
| chx | That thing, while pricey, is almost mandatory for longer flights | 06:06 |
| xnt14 | well, I want to get a motorokr s9 :P | 06:07 |
| xnt14 | brb | 06:07 |
| chx | I wear glasses and also hate sticking anything in my ear, which pretty much reduces the available noise cancelling headphones to the QC3. | 06:07 |
| xnt14 | im back | 06:20 |
| xnt14 | :P I also wear glasses, and I'm stuck with apple earphones, I really want to get a motorokr s9 but my parents won't let me get one :P | 06:21 |
| Luke-Jr | I think I wouldn't mind digitizing many of my inputs | 06:22 |
| Luke-Jr | at least eyes and ears | 06:23 |
| Luke-Jr | chx: Maemo doesn't have any decently usable software, really. | 06:23 |
| chx | Luke-Jr: I think I have learned about your attitude yesterday and I am not buying it | 06:23 |
| Luke-Jr | chx: fine, learn the hard way :þ | 06:24 |
| chx | i had an n810. it worked. | 06:24 |
| chx | as said, it's not perfect. | 06:24 |
| Luke-Jr | N810 Maemo is unmaintained anyway | 06:24 |
| chx | there is nothing else. | 06:24 |
| Luke-Jr | modern Maemo versions don't support the N810 anymore | 06:24 |
| chx | and...? | 06:24 |
| chx | there are a number of N810 users still and they will support | 06:25 |
| chx | heck, there are 770 users even. | 06:25 |
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| xnt14 | lol | 06:25 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 06:25 |
| xnt14 | twitter fail (for now xD) http://smarterware.org/2486/when-you-put-data-in-you-should-be-able-to-get-it-out | 06:26 |
| * xnt14 backs up his tweets | 06:26 | |
| Luke-Jr | chx: they have already said they WON'T support it | 06:26 |
| xnt14 | chx, are you a linux user? | 06:27 |
| chx | Luke-Jr: who are the "they"? Everybody who owns an N810 and codes for it? dont be silly | 06:28 |
| chx | xnt14: since 1993. | 06:28 |
| Luke-Jr | chx: Nokia | 06:28 |
| xnt14 | Luke-Jr, Mer is maemo5 for the n8x0, and when the n900 comes out, ill buy it and give my nit to my dad, its not outdated | 06:28 |
| chx | [20:25] <chx> there are a number of N810 users still and they will support | 06:28 |
| xnt14 | chx, :) | 06:28 |
| xnt14 | linux 5 years ;) | 06:28 |
| chx | xnt14: on the desktop only since 2004. it took a while... i used for a bit in 1999 but then Windows 2000 came and that was good enough for a while. | 06:29 |
| * xnt14 is a 14 year old linux user xDD | 06:29 | |
| xnt14 | hmm | 06:29 |
| xnt14 | well...ok :P | 06:29 |
| Luke-Jr | I think I've been using Linux about 11 years | 06:29 |
| Luke-Jr | chx: that's not Maemo, that's Mer | 06:29 |
| Luke-Jr | chx: and Nokia won't support it themselves | 06:29 |
| xnt14 | luke-jr, nokia supports mer... | 06:30 |
| chx | ? | 06:30 |
| Luke-Jr | which would be fine, except that the N810 has closed hardware | 06:30 |
| Luke-Jr | that the community alone cannot use | 06:30 |
| chx | what on earth are you talking of | 06:30 |
| Luke-Jr | the GPS mainly ☺ | 06:30 |
| Luke-Jr | battery charger too I guess | 06:30 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 06:34 |
| EdLin | sound | 06:34 |
| xnt14 | yup | 06:34 |
| xnt14 | your right about that | 06:34 |
| xnt14 | chx, btw im 14 :P | 06:34 |
| Luke-Jr | EdLin: sound works fine :þ | 06:34 |
| chx | xnt14: hah | 06:35 |
| xnt14 | : | 06:35 |
| xnt14 | :P | 06:35 |
| EdLin | Luke-Jr: sound works in non-maemo? | 06:35 |
| * xnt14 hates his keyboard | 06:35 | |
| Luke-Jr | EdLin: if you use a recent kernel | 06:35 |
| Luke-Jr | like 2.6.30-rc8 | 06:35 |
| EdLin | Luke-Jr: which alternate non-Maemo stuff supports sound on the n810? | 06:35 |
| Luke-Jr | EdLin: I have used it in Gentoo | 06:35 |
| chx | xnt14: that's fine, i have a friend who is not yet 14 and he was a good enough programmer to give a google tech talk when he was 12.... (oh and he is an award winning composer too) | 06:35 |
| Luke-Jr | actually, one thing I couldn't get: microphone/input | 06:36 |
| Luke-Jr | but tbh, the N810's mic sucks anyway | 06:36 |
| xnt14 | chx, awesome | 06:36 |
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| xnt14 | nice | 06:36 |
| Luke-Jr | chx: Google has pathetic programmers, that's nothing special | 06:36 |
| Luke-Jr | they can't write decent code for beans | 06:36 |
| xnt14 | Luke-jr, just shut up, I'm sick of you yelling about random crap | 06:37 |
| Luke-Jr | xnt14: no u | 06:37 |
| xnt14 | argh!!! | 06:37 |
| Luke-Jr | xnt14: when was the last time you saw a decent Google product? | 06:37 |
| Luke-Jr | hint: the only one I've ever *heard of* was purchased from another company | 06:37 |
| Luke-Jr | Keyhole, no idea what they renamed it anymore | 06:38 |
| chx | you can talk when you have written a better webmail than gmail | 06:38 |
| xnt14 | Google wave has potential | 06:38 |
| xnt14 | gmail ftw | 06:38 |
| Luke-Jr | xnt14: ever looked at gmail code? | 06:38 |
| xnt14 | have you? | 06:38 |
| Luke-Jr | chx: not difficult, really, just time consuming | 06:38 |
| Luke-Jr | xnt14: yes | 06:38 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 06:38 |
| Luke-Jr | or rather, analyzed it | 06:38 |
| Luke-Jr | xnt14: GMail uses ActiveX | 06:39 |
| Luke-Jr | if it can | 06:39 |
| chx | and...? | 06:39 |
| xnt14 | who cares | 06:39 |
| chx | they do their best to deliver an experience | 06:39 |
| Luke-Jr | because Google doesn't know how to write standards-compliant code that works in all browsers | 06:39 |
| xnt14 | I don't use ie | 06:39 |
| chx | now | 06:39 |
| Luke-Jr | xnt14: the main problem is their inability to write portable webapps | 06:39 |
| chx | you just told everyone know who knows that everyone already suspected: you know jack shit | 06:39 |
| Luke-Jr | GMail targets Firefox and IE | 06:40 |
| Luke-Jr | what browser does GMail work in that it isn't specifically targetting? | 06:40 |
| chx | if you think "standards compilant code" works in all browsers then you never ever tried to write any webapp. | 06:40 |
| chx | Opera to begin with. | 06:40 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 06:40 |
| Luke-Jr | chx: my browser is standards compliant | 06:40 |
| chx | yes but IE is not! | 06:40 |
| xnt14 | IE is utter crap, it ms' fault | 06:40 |
| * xnt14 burns IE for the 988888th time | 06:41 | |
| Luke-Jr | chx: the real problem is that their code is all written for specific browsers, not to adhere to standards | 06:41 |
| chx | of course. | 06:41 |
| chx | that's pretty understandable. | 06:41 |
| xnt14 | yes | 06:41 |
| Luke-Jr | a proper developer would write it according to the standards, and go back and add IE support hacks as a conditional | 06:41 |
| chx | are you sure you want to explain to *me* the what and the how of web application? | 06:41 |
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| xnt14 | hmm | 06:42 |
| Luke-Jr | and anyone can look at Chrome's code | 06:43 |
| Luke-Jr | ugh | 06:43 |
| Luke-Jr | obviously the right way to do Chrome would be to use a portable language like Qt4 | 06:43 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 06:44 |
| Luke-Jr | not write a Windows app and go back to port it later | 06:44 |
| Luke-Jr | and then port it in the worst way possible | 06:44 |
| xnt14 | well windows *is* the most used platform | 06:44 |
| xnt14 | ok then | 06:44 |
| Luke-Jr | xnt14: Qt4 apps run on Windows, Linux, and Mac without many if any code changes | 06:45 |
| Luke-Jr | native appearance on every platform | 06:45 |
| xnt14 | chromium is open source, go and rewrite chrome in qt4 then | 06:45 |
| Luke-Jr | xnt14: no need, there are already better browsers | 06:45 |
| xnt14 | just shutup, your giving me a headache | 06:46 |
| Luke-Jr | lol XD | 06:46 |
| Luke-Jr | let's play Yandere then | 06:46 |
| xnt14 | nah | 06:46 |
| xnt14 | I want to go back to hacking flightgear | 06:46 |
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| Macer | hm | 08:24 |
| Macer | win7 speed is like xp | 08:24 |
| Macer | it is snappy | 08:24 |
| Macer | wonder how they managed to get vista to go fast | 08:24 |
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| chx | Seriously! someone ported *freeciv* to Maemo? | 08:55 |
| chx | <3 | 08:55 |
| EdLin | Macer: they probably made Vista go-slow on purpose, because MS sells operating systems by selling hardware. When that backfired, they removed the speed brakes. | 08:58 |
| chx | btw how can i press a key like f4 or f12 on the n810? | 09:01 |
| chx | not too easy to google on that. | 09:01 |
| chx | even tear wanted some of those | 09:06 |
| Macer | EdLin: sells operating systems by selling hardware? | 09:12 |
| Macer | heh | 09:12 |
| Macer | meaning they made it slower to make people think they needed faster hardware? | 09:12 |
| Macer | some of the idiotic stuff these apps try to install | 09:12 |
| Macer | l;ike nero7 tries to install the ask toolbar? | 09:13 |
| Macer | daemontools tries to install a daemon search bar? | 09:13 |
| Macer | wtf? | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | windowshell | 09:13 |
| Macer | yah | 09:13 |
| Macer | installed win7 | 09:13 |
| Macer | opensolaris wasn't cutting it as a desktop | 09:13 |
| Macer | works GREAT as a server | 09:13 |
| Macer | but :) as a desktop it seriously sucks | 09:13 |
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| chx | so no idea on function keys_ | 09:22 |
| chx | ? | 09:22 |
| Macer | haha | 09:24 |
| Macer | RST38h: yup | 09:24 |
| Macer | mooooooooo | 09:24 |
| chx | xkbd ? | 09:24 |
| Macer | id use debian if it didnt run slow on this k45 | 09:24 |
| Macer | seems like xorg has really shitty intel vid drivers | 09:25 |
| chx | /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-44 ? | 09:26 |
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| Stskeeps | woo, at 999 thanks at iTT | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | with 500 posts | 11:51 |
| RST38h | Heya Sts | 11:51 |
| RST38h | Ah, you karma whore... | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i am :P it gives me a hint that i'm doing something right.. which i kinda need or i get bored :P | 11:52 |
| RST38h | Heh, can't argue with that | 11:53 |
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| RST38h | Sts: BTW, I have found yesterday that no amount of handcrafted assembly code makes VGBA display drivers any faster | 11:55 |
| RST38h | Kinda disappointing =( | 11:55 |
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| Stskeeps | :( | 11:55 |
| RST38h | I am probably hitting a memory bandiwdth wall somewhere, dunno... | 11:56 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if he has a micro to minisd adapter somewhere | 11:57 | |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | morning jaffa | 12:20 |
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| wazd | hooah Maemo | 12:26 |
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| RST38h | heya wazd | 12:35 |
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| * RST38h yawns. Anything interesting today? | 13:11 | |
| wazd | RST38h: Nokia Trademarks "C-Series" of Devices :) | 13:11 |
| RST38h | wazd: Yea, seen this | 13:14 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Personally, I think they either going to move nnnn devices to Cnnnn or use C series for netbooks | 13:15 |
| wazd | RST38h: the second variant is more expected I think | 13:16 |
| RST38h | wazd: Yes, but only if you believe that Nokia is going to start making netbooks | 13:17 |
| wazd | RST38h: cause dumbphones don't need series to tell everybody that they're dumb :) | 13:17 |
| RST38h | wazd: Lots of nnnn phones are no longer dumb | 13:17 |
| RST38h | wazd: And lots of them are better made than underbaked Nseries | 13:18 |
| wazd | RST38h: who knows, maybe Nokia's vision of netbooks differs from the World's :) | 13:18 |
| wazd | RST38h: 6300 is cool. yep :) | 13:18 |
| wazd | RST38h: but again, "dumbphones" are those bricks without any major OS like Symbian or something | 13:19 |
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| RST38h | You mean S40 | 13:19 |
| RST38h | And lower | 13:19 |
| wazd | RST38h: or s30 :) | 13:19 |
| RST38h | There is also S30? Hm | 13:20 |
| wazd | RST38h: It's dumb-dumb phones :D | 13:20 |
| RST38h | "Quick rule: if it made it onto t-shirts, if you remember it even though high art makes you queasy, its real." | 13:31 |
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| RST38h | Why should computer do all the work? :) | 13:38 |
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| wazd | RST38h: I just don't get the connection between them :) | 13:39 |
| RST38h | Ah who cares | 13:39 |
| RST38h | Probably installing some FF extension | 13:39 |
| wazd | oh fuck | 13:40 |
| wazd | I bet he would ask to close FF to INSTALL it | 13:40 |
| wazd | goddamn :( | 13:41 |
| RST38h | Who "he"? The Satan, I hope? | 13:41 |
| wazd | RST38h: ofcourse, who else can make such a bad jokes :) | 13:41 |
| wazd | I knew it... | 13:44 |
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| RST38h | AMD started pushing its Atom competitor to the masses... | 13:48 |
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| lcuk | what a cool overview! | 14:11 |
| lcuk | http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs49/i/2009/199/8/4/Computer_hardware_poster_1_7_by_Sonic840.png | 14:11 |
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| RST38h | Hmm...Orange RCA is a digital audio plug... | 14:31 |
| lcuk | RST38h, is that something thats wrong, or an odd port you have noticed on the back of your rig | 14:34 |
| RST38h | An odd port | 14:34 |
| lcuk | heh | 14:34 |
| RST38h | I have got the toslink port on the media pc, but obviously can't use it | 14:34 |
| lcuk | yeah you can only watch original star trek episodes with it | 14:35 |
| RST38h | use it for the Borg light, yea | 14:35 |
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| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, ping | 16:42 |
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| Macer | http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=50933 | 17:39 |
| Macer | why is it so secretive? | 17:39 |
| Macer | i mean seriously.. is the gpu going to allow nations of concern thermonuclear warhead codes? | 17:39 |
| Macer | "We have PowerVR source! We conquer world now!" | 17:39 |
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| lcuk | Macer they could take over the world without powervr, but how can they render the slick ui without it | 17:41 |
| lcuk | what kind of self respecting evil genius maniac runs their destructive operations in 2d? | 17:42 |
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| MasterOfNothing | hey there good people :) I have a problem with scrobbling using maemoscrobbler w/default media player on an n810 with Diablo firmware. could anyone of you help? | 17:47 |
| RST38h | Macer: ImageTech is afraid for its "intellectual property", that's all | 17:47 |
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| lcuk | is it legal to scrobble in public? | 17:49 |
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| MasterOfNothing | @lcuk: no, it's strictly prohibited, but I just have to take my chances :P | 17:51 |
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| lcuk | MasterOfNothing, i heard that certain european countries allow scrobbling in your own home, and in selected coffee shops | 17:54 |
| lcuk | as for cgetting the software to work i havent got a damned clue | 17:54 |
| MasterOfNothing | really? no, haven't heard that, although last.fm has placed some restrictions on radio listening for non-subscribers in countries other than US, Canada and Germany | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | the 3 euro is worth it | 17:56 |
| MasterOfNothing | the problem for me is that other apps like Canola and Vagalume - which have built-in scrobblers - scrobble just fine. it's just that the maemoscrobbler refuses to... | 17:57 |
| MasterOfNothing | I have looked at syslog and all, but I couldn't get any more info out it either | 17:57 |
| MasterOfNothing | From the control panel I can see either "Could not connect" or "Invalid username?" errors... | 17:58 |
| MasterOfNothing | Stskeeps, sure, it's not that much. although it did case quite an uproar in the last.fm community upon announcement | 18:00 |
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| Stskeeps | i agree, but there's no free lunch | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | i pay happily, saves me a load of trouble | 18:01 |
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| Stskeeps | combine with thelastripper.com .. | 18:03 |
| MasterOfNothing | yeah, but I suspect that people were just mad that some countries got it for free... oh, well... I do very much like the service though, so for my part 3 $ isn't a big deal either | 18:03 |
| Macer | RST38h: so cant the just release closed bins? | 18:04 |
| Macer | the/they | 18:05 |
| Macer | nvidia still does that dont they? | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: gpl problems | 18:06 |
| Macer | oh hawd | 18:06 |
| Macer | not the fucking gpl | 18:06 |
| Macer | hawd/gawd | 18:06 |
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| Macer | then let them release the open stuff | 18:07 |
| Macer | gpl doesnt say you are required to put your own code out there | 18:07 |
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| Macer | you only have to make sure you provide the code protected by the gpl | 18:07 |
| Macer | like unclassified cia documents | 18:08 |
| Macer | sometimes i think the gpl was a mistake | 18:08 |
| Macer | heh | 18:08 |
| Macer | not very well thought out in practice but released as concept | 18:09 |
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| lcuk | Macer, whats better then | 18:11 |
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| Macer | i dunno | 18:13 |
| Macer | gpl + proprietary lic? | 18:14 |
| Macer | we can call it the gp+pl | 18:14 |
| lcuk | that doesnt help people tho | 18:14 |
| derf | Wait, wait, I've got a name, the LGPL! | 18:14 |
| Macer | because +s make things cooler | 18:14 |
| lcuk | using gpl+prop license only allows base code to be used | 18:15 |
| Macer | oh yeah | 18:15 |
| Macer | lgpl does that doesnt it? | 18:15 |
| * Macer hides | 18:15 | |
| lcuk | yeah, but you cannot just take a GPL app, add your own wrapper to it and call it lgpl | 18:15 |
| derf | Yes, and that's by design. | 18:16 |
| Macer | i am thinking 3d accel proprietary gpu driver | 18:16 |
| Macer | compareds to a wrapper | 18:16 |
| derf | The GPL is very clear. "If you want to take advantage of my code that I'm letting you use, you play by my rules." | 18:16 |
| lcuk | we do not know the ancestry of the powervr code though | 18:16 |
| derf | If you don't like the rules, don't use the code. | 18:17 |
| lcuk | i wonder what point that begins to breakdown tho, i bet like evolution, eventually the source will be transformed so much it loses its original identity | 18:18 |
| derf | I don't know. SCO taught us we can trace code back 30 or 40 years, if we have to. | 18:19 |
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| lcuk | the only thing they taught us was that darl mcbride was a cocksmoking teabagger with less brains than a shrinp | 18:19 |
| lcuk | but i digress | 18:19 |
| lcuk | ^m :D | 18:20 |
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| wazd | http://interfacelove.blogspot.com/ <- wth is that | 18:34 |
| RST38h | hmm | 18:39 |
| radic | where are the connection settings stored? | 18:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | gconf: /system/osso/connectivity | 18:43 |
| wazd | http://www.onlineasithappens.nokia.com/gallery <- weehehe, I have 4 hours to make something :D | 18:46 |
| wazd | any ideas?) | 18:46 |
| radic | qwerty12_N810: was the message for me? | 18:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | radic: yes | 18:49 |
| radic | qwerty12_N810: in / isn't a dir named "system" | 18:49 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I said gconf. | 18:50 |
| slonopotamus | wazd, that crap doesn't work in microb :) | 18:50 |
| wazd | slonopotamus: it's a real crap so you don | 18:51 |
| wazd | slonopotamus: don't miss anything :) | 18:51 |
| slonopotamus | wazd, hehe. you're using desktop kb | 18:51 |
| slonopotamus | common bug - to hit enter instead of ' :P | 18:52 |
| radic | qwerty12_N810: I want edit the config file(s) withe nano | 18:52 |
| wazd | slonopotamus: yep, I need a better one | 18:52 |
| wazd | slonopotamus: but if you want something done good - do it yourself :( | 18:52 |
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| orangey | hey all! | 18:56 |
| orangey | Are see I'm trying to install android | 18:57 |
| orangey | any good tutorials out there? | 18:57 |
| orangey | At the moment, when I try to run it, I get: Setting up android-installer (1.0.0-2) ... | 18:57 |
| orangey | cp: cannot stat './root/android-installer/sandroid.sh': No such file or directory | 18:57 |
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| radic | qwerty12_N810: If I'll connect there are many python instances rising and make a lot of load | 19:00 |
| radic | argh... | 19:01 |
| radic | so eine scheisse... | 19:01 |
| qwerty12_N810 | radic: What's the contents of /etc/network/if-up.d and /var/lib/alarmd/alarm_queue.xml ? (pastebin) | 19:04 |
| radic | /var/lib/alarmd/alarm_queue.xml doesn't exist | 19:09 |
| radic | now again, many python instances... | 19:14 |
| radic | and if I kill them the device works fine | 19:14 |
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| RST38bis | now i know what tablets are for... | 19:16 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | doorstopper? | 19:17 |
| orangey | ? | 19:17 |
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| RST38bis | nooo | 19:19 |
| RST38bis | it is for those moments when the laptop battery dies | 19:19 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | ah, laptop as doorstopper | 19:24 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | +: heavier | 19:24 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | -:doesn't wedge as well into the gap under the door | 19:25 |
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| RST38bis | mine is not much heavier | 19:25 |
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| radic | I'm confused | 19:26 |
| radic | python wasn't installed but 2.5 binarys where there | 19:26 |
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| radic | now I installed 2.4 and the problem was solved... | 19:27 |
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| orangey | hey all. I'm trying to install android, but I get: cp: cannot stat './root/android-installer/sandroid.sh': No such file or directory | 19:27 |
| orangey | what gives? | 19:28 |
| orangey | but /root/android-installer/sandroid.sh exists | 19:28 |
| radic | orangey: and ./root/android-installer/sandroid.sh ? | 19:28 |
| orangey | ./ to what? | 19:28 |
| orangey | from my current working directory? | 19:29 |
| radic | orangey: remove the leading point... | 19:29 |
| orangey | radic: ah. Perhaps I've been confusing. | 19:29 |
| orangey | radic: # dpkg -i android-installer.deb \ Setting up android-installer (1.0.0-2) ... \ cp: cannot stat './root/android-installer/sandroid.sh': No such file or directory | 19:29 |
| orangey | I'm not sure what working directory it uses, otherwise I would make a link | 19:30 |
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| radic | orangey: you are tring to copy ./root/android-installer/sandroid.sh | 19:33 |
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| radic | ./root/android-installer/sandroid.sh | 19:33 |
| radic | remove the . | 19:33 |
| orangey | radic: *I* am trying to do nothing. It is within the android-installer.deb's processes | 19:33 |
| radic | orangey: then correct the install-script | 19:33 |
| orangey | radic: How can I do that? I was trying to figure out how to get into the .deb | 19:34 |
| radic | ar -x blah.deb | 19:34 |
| radic | then you have a data.tar | 19:34 |
| orangey | ah. great. thank you | 19:34 |
| orangey | I thought the main container was a .gz or bz2 and was trying to play with that.. anyhow, thanks. | 19:35 |
| orangey | I ended up having success by moving it to / | 19:35 |
| orangey | and then running dpkg from there | 19:35 |
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| radic | lol? | 19:37 |
| orangey | on another topic, any news about the successor to the n810? Last I heard, there was a slightly smaller thing coming out. has the date or anything been fixed on it? or specs or whatnot? | 19:37 |
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| orangey | wow. android on n810! pretty cool, though obviously of limited utility at this time : ) | 19:39 |
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| radic | orangey: what are the differences between N800 and N810? | 19:43 |
| orangey | radic: is there a keyboard on n800? | 19:46 |
| chx | orangey: the N900 likely comes out at Nokia World 09 | 19:47 |
| chx | orangey: September 2-3 in Stuttgart. | 19:47 |
| orangey | chx: are the specs all confirmed yet? | 19:47 |
| chx | orangey: pretty much | 19:47 |
| orangey | that thing people were talking about on t.m.o? | 19:47 |
| orangey | chx: with the smaller screen? | 19:48 |
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| chx | AFAIK | 19:48 |
| orangey | alrigth. | 19:48 |
| orangey | well, looking forward to it | 19:48 |
| radic | orangey: no | 19:48 |
| orangey | though I'm not fabulously excited by the smaller screen | 19:48 |
| orangey | radic: then that's one key difference. | 19:48 |
| chx | in like two years i will buy one | 19:48 |
| orangey | chx: why? | 19:48 |
| orangey | chx: THe main thing I'm feeling the pain of is no GSM | 19:48 |
| chx | once the bugs ironed out and the ridiculously high price is decreased | 19:48 |
| radic | orangey: but your camera could be easily fingerprinted ;) | 19:49 |
| orangey | oh. what will the price be? | 19:49 |
| chx | orangey: it will be HSPA | 19:49 |
| orangey | what's hspa? | 19:49 |
| chx | orangey: well, with HSPA it'll be phone-like pricing so my guess (and this is a guess) is 5-600 EUR. | 19:49 |
| chx | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Speed_Packet_Access | 19:49 |
| orangey | chx: I hope not ; ) | 19:49 |
| wiretapped | is there any word on if it will have non-voip voice calling? | 19:49 |
| wiretapped | eg, actually be a phone? | 19:49 |
| chx | I just bought an N810 (I lost my first one) | 19:49 |
| orangey | chx: n810 is pretty spectacular | 19:50 |
| chx | I am not holding my breath for the N900 | 19:50 |
| orangey | but I'm starting to feel the lack of development | 19:50 |
| * wiretapped still hasn't obtained a new n810 battery yet :( | 19:50 | |
| orangey | it's actually my main phone | 19:50 |
| orangey | using SIP | 19:50 |
| orangey | I would kill to have the SIP be full duplex, for example | 19:50 |
| orangey | or to be able to use the video with anybody else | 19:50 |
| orangey | maybe mer fixes that | 19:51 |
| lcuk | 2 questions, full duplex? you mean you currently use your phone like a CB radio? *OVER* | 19:51 |
| orangey | lcuk: almost | 19:51 |
| lcuk | and how do you speak into it and use it like a phone | 19:51 |
| chx | i guess BT headset. | 19:51 |
| orangey | lcuk: the other person cuts out if we talk simultaneously | 19:51 |
| orangey | bt headset would do what? | 19:52 |
| lcuk | that sounds a bit odd then, are people ok with you, or do they moan you keeping missing what the other said? *OVER* | 19:52 |
| orangey | well, I generally talk to very understanding people | 19:53 |
| orangey | but people who don't know me are very irritated | 19:53 |
| orangey | it's not a HUGE deal | 19:53 |
| orangey | but very irritating | 19:53 |
| lcuk | orangey_friend: ring-ring *facepalm*, its orangey again, wish he would get a real phone* hiya orangey! | 19:54 |
| orangey | lcuk: almost : ) | 19:54 |
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| orangey | would a bt headset fix that problem? | 19:54 |
| lcuk | i think skype even works properly | 19:55 |
| lcuk | in phone context | 19:55 |
| orangey | skype with video would be amazing | 19:55 |
| lcuk | mmmn different argument, but fully agree with you :) | 19:55 |
| orangey | also, if I could make it so that I could select the ringing device, that would be super convenient for me | 19:56 |
| orangey | since I refuse to be in the house with a bt headset on | 19:56 |
| madhav | isnt skype with video available right now | 19:56 |
| madhav | i guess it is | 19:56 |
| orangey | not on n810 | 19:56 |
| madhav | http://becherry.be/ how abt this on n810? | 19:58 |
| orangey | is anybody seriously using android on n8x0? | 19:59 |
| lcuk | i would rather have tamiflu | 19:59 |
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| orangey | tamiflu? | 20:03 |
| orangey | I guess I would rather have that than a lot of things. | 20:03 |
| glass | haha | 20:03 |
| orangey | in fact, almost anything | 20:03 |
| orangey | do you actually mean heiney flu? | 20:04 |
| glass | i'd rather have sex than tamiflu right now.. | 20:04 |
| qwerty12_N810 | glass: overrated. use your hand... :P | 20:04 |
| orangey | way to teach a man to fish | 20:04 |
| glass | a bit late | 20:04 |
| glass | it doesn't make you blind | 20:05 |
| glass | the secret is out | 20:05 |
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| orangey | hmmm | 20:07 |
| orangey | so.. anybody seriously using android on n810? | 20:07 |
| orangey | I think the pain I feel is the lack of speciality software | 20:07 |
| lcuk | my phone decided to tell me it was running low on battery | 20:07 |
| orangey | garnetvm was supposed to fix that | 20:07 |
| orangey | but it sucks | 20:07 |
| lcuk | by flashing its lights and vibrating and making audible warnings | 20:08 |
| lcuk | orangey, make your own then :) | 20:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Android on N810 is a silly dead end. | 20:08 |
| glass | the people using it "seriously" are probably devs | 20:08 |
| bilboed-tp | s/Android on N810/Android/ | 20:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | That too. | 20:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | C-series is going to end up being Nokia's Android line. | 20:09 |
| orangey | bilboed-tp: why do you say so? | 20:10 |
| RST38bis | that is a novel idea | 20:11 |
| bilboed-tp | orangey, because it's a pile of closed-source crack ? | 20:11 |
| bilboed-tp | s/closed-source/non-(L)GPL, reinvented from scratch/ | 20:11 |
| infobot | bilboed-tp meant: orangey, because it's a pile of non-(L)GPL, reinvented from scratch crack ? | 20:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Java, Google, cellular lockins. | 20:11 |
| orangey | bilboed-tp: I guess we're saying "dead end" in the longer term | 20:11 |
| bilboed-tp | Java isn't the problem here tbh | 20:11 |
| orangey | because in the short term, os2008 is a dead end | 20:12 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: What Android line? | 20:12 |
| glass | androids problems are purely political, and as such can't be fixed with a patch | 20:12 |
| orangey | glass: this is true | 20:12 |
| orangey | I obviously bought the n810 for the Free part | 20:12 |
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| bilboed-tp | if only it was just political... from a technical point of view it's retarded also (basically you can't re-use engineers used to a standard linux stack to work on making an Android phone) | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, with the way Nokia's flailing around these days, I figure them shipping two direct competitors in their lineup isn't as silly as it sounds. ;) | 20:13 |
| bilboed-tp | making life insanely hard for phone manufacturers => little chance of getting it adopted | 20:13 |
| orangey | so, let's talk solutions for my n810 | 20:13 |
| glass | bilboed-tp: the reason why it's retarded is the key, it's political -> can't be fixed with a patch, you'd need to change thoughts or people inside google | 20:13 |
| orangey | Mer seems immature | 20:13 |
| orangey | android more so | 20:14 |
| orangey | what's the solution? | 20:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mer is immature | 20:14 |
| bilboed-tp | glass, no, you could fork and do your own.... but even then it's shit | 20:14 |
| glass | orangey: whats wrong with what it shipped with? | 20:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | But it still doesn't have a non-beta stack to build from. | 20:14 |
| glass | bilboed-tp: sure you could, if you had twenty million or something | 20:14 |
| glass | bilboed-tp: to sell the device too | 20:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Give it 3-6 months and get back to me. | 20:14 |
| orangey | glass: 1) SIP support seems not great for me (will this really be fixed by a BT headset?); 2) I can't get a decent IM client any more. seems like pidgin isn't updated any longer | 20:14 |
| orangey | GeneralAntilles: i.e., Mer will be mature in 3-6 mo? | 20:15 |
| glass | what is mature? | 20:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll likely actually have a final Fremantle release to build from by then. | 20:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Day-to-day usable would be my guess. | 20:15 |
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| chx | hrm? | 20:16 |
| chx | fremantle on n810? | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~mer | 20:16 |
| infobot | rumour has it, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer | 20:16 |
| chx | wasnt there a cpu support issue? | 20:16 |
| chx | ah | 20:16 |
| chx | i c | 20:16 |
| orangey | GeneralAntilles: what are you saying? | 20:17 |
| orangey | GeneralAntilles: are you saying that with freemantle in the wild, mer will be better? | 20:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/freemantle/fremantle/g | 20:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mer is based largely on Fremantle technologies | 20:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | If those technologies are either unreleased or in beta/alpha stages, how "mature" do you think Mer will be? | 20:17 |
| orangey | I didn't know that, actually | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, in the short term OS2008 is the only really usable OS available. | 20:19 |
| orangey | well, my biggest thing is SIP client. Is that on Mer yet? | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just use rtcomm? | 20:19 |
| orangey | GeneralAntilles: I'm talking about prerequisites. I'm getting a bit frustrated with very few things in OS2008 | 20:20 |
| orangey | but for me to experiment with Mer (or anything else), that's the ONE thing that has to work. | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | AIM works fine in rtcomm in OS2008 for me. | 20:20 |
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| orangey | GeneralAntilles: ICQ certainly doesn't. | 20:21 |
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| orangey | do you guys know if it's possible to dual-boot android / mer / os2008? | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | no | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | kexec is broken sos | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | -s | 20:22 |
| * wiretapped wishes there was a way to do OTR with rtcomm | 20:22 | |
| orangey | wiretapped: a bit paranoid, are we? : ) | 20:23 |
| wiretapped | it should be on by default | 20:23 |
| orangey | you are correct | 20:23 |
| wiretapped | i use open wifi networks that i know are sniffed | 20:23 |
| orangey | maybe I'll run another pet peeve by you guys.. what about a good calendar client? | 20:23 |
| orangey | I've used all of them except for KO/PI (which I think would work, but I can't get running) | 20:24 |
| RST38bis | seqretary. | 20:26 |
| RST38bis | news! nokia also came up with xseries now | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | x1000 | 20:28 |
| orangey | i want to say that my beefs with maemo are really, really minor. I've never been so happy with a PDA-like thing as the n810 | 20:28 |
| orangey | it's amazing | 20:28 |
| orangey | and has really made my life better in so many ways | 20:28 |
| Macer | hm | 20:30 |
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| Stskeeps | orangey: addictive stuff | 20:33 |
| orangey | Stskeeps: which? | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | tablets | 20:34 |
| orangey | Stskeeps: it's not addictive bad. | 20:34 |
| orangey | it's that I had been hobbling through in the palm/WM wasteland | 20:34 |
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| orangey | and then this thing came along that was fresh air. | 20:35 |
| orangey | with linux, no less! | 20:35 |
| orangey | the field is a bit different now, with the iphone, android, and palm pre | 20:35 |
| orangey | but it's still grim for people who like to hack | 20:35 |
| glass | grim? | 20:36 |
| orangey | RST38bis: Seqretary is perfect | 20:36 |
| glass | you know how many even if illegally hackable devices there were 5 years ago? | 20:36 |
| RST38bis | you are welcome. | 20:36 |
| orangey | glass: yeah, playing around on the iphone, android and palm pre is tough as compared to maemo | 20:36 |
| RST38bis | glass: ah, lots | 20:36 |
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| glass | RST38bis: for available for free for anyone.. | 20:36 |
| glass | practically free | 20:37 |
| RST38bis | pretty much anything with buttons | 20:37 |
| glass | RST38bis: fresh stuff | 20:37 |
| orangey | sorry, what's the point? | 20:37 |
| RST38bis | is iphone or nit free? | 20:37 |
| glass | RST38bis: free compared to newton | 20:37 |
| RST38bis | hmm | 20:37 |
| glass | orangey: that it's not GRIM! :D | 20:37 |
| RST38bis | the point is that one can alwys find something to hack | 20:38 |
| glass | orangey: in 5 years we'll have lots and lots of cool cheap phones etc | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | glass, different levels of "hack", perhaps. | 20:38 |
| orangey | sure, you can always find something to hack. but are you saying hacking on WM is equivalent to doing it on the n810? | 20:38 |
| RST38bis | glass: lhc will get us first | 20:38 |
| RST38bis | or the crisis | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | WebOS, Android, and iPhone OS all make it difficult for you to do what you want with your devices out of the box. | 20:38 |
| glass | orangey: as long as it gets the job done better than what you had previously | 20:39 |
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| orangey | I remember it took years to get my ipaq's wireless to a usable state on the mobile linux distro of the day | 20:39 |
| RST38bis | General depends on what you want to do | 20:39 |
| orangey | GeneralAntilles: Agreed. but that was true of palmOS and WM. The difference is now at least there's a modicum of choice | 20:39 |
| glass | GeneralAntilles: inbetween servers are easy to hack together | 20:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd much rather have a device which doesn't require me to play silly cat and mouse games with the manufacturer or wait on updates to do what I want with. | 20:39 |
| glass | GeneralAntilles: and again, computers are virtual/free compared to what they used to be | 20:40 |
| orangey | GeneralAntilles: exactly | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Of course, RST38bis, but they're all much more locked down than Maemo. | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | glass, sure, but that doesn't make the pill any more pleasant to swallow. ;) | 20:40 |
| orangey | RST38bis: do you know off-hand where the .ics file is kept for seqretary? | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I used a Newton very happily for many years | 20:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | but that's not that platform experience I want now, nor is the Wii-style Homebrew experience you get with WebOS, Android and iPhone OS. | 20:41 |
| glass | GeneralAntilles: i would've too if i could have ever afforded one, heard of one | 20:41 |
| orangey | damn! can Seqretary sync with anything? | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | glass, eBay, 2000, $200. | 20:41 |
| glass | GeneralAntilles: back then | 20:41 |
| glass | GeneralAntilles: not now :D | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Year 2000. | 20:41 |
| glass | i had a 3110 then | 20:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I used a Newton 2100 2000-2004. | 20:42 |
| glass | or benefon io | 20:42 |
| glass | benefon io probably, my first phone ever | 20:42 |
| glass | i turned 18 then | 20:42 |
| glass | which is when i got my first phone | 20:42 |
| glass | if the car broke down or shit like that | 20:42 |
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| RST38bis | General: we do not yet know how maemo will change... ;( | 20:48 |
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| Macer | damn sorry ass pch | 21:01 |
| Macer | is slow as hell :) | 21:01 |
| orangey | alright, off guys | 21:02 |
| orangey | see you later | 21:02 |
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| chx | there are some great devices but high resolution screen with a keyboard and a proper OS (aka not WinMo) that's only the N810. | 21:09 |
| Jaffa | Or Oqo, or ... | 21:10 |
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| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: … | 21:18 |
| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, ! | 21:18 |
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| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, your CAL thingie has struct for storing CAL entry header. how you figuured it out? | 21:19 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: BME may contain CAL code. As a result, my CAL investigations have stopped. | 21:19 |
| Luke-Jr | I can relay only what I learned before reading BME code | 21:19 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: I figured it out from hexdumping the CAL data | 21:20 |
| Luke-Jr | nothing more | 21:20 |
| Luke-Jr | I suspect the unknown[8] may be checksum of some kind | 21:20 |
| Luke-Jr | yeah, Stskeeps sent me some data with a better struct | 21:21 |
| Luke-Jr | after the length, it has data and header crcs | 21:21 |
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| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, remember, stskeeps sent you libcal stuff he got from gdb? can you pastebin it somewhere? | 21:23 |
| Luke-Jr | http://pastebin.ca/1500323 | 21:24 |
| slonopotamus | gracias | 21:25 |
| ideamonk | can one setup maemo development environment on amd64 ? | 21:26 |
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| slonopotamus | ideamonk, yep | 21:28 |
| ideamonk | slonopotamus: im running ubuntu amd64, where can i read more on how to setup the dev env on it ? | 21:28 |
| ideamonk | slonopotamus: i get this as of now - E: Currently Scratcbox can only run in 32 bit i386 architecture. | 21:29 |
| Jaffa | ideamonk: setarch i386 ./installer.sh | 21:29 |
| ideamonk | slonopotamus: while trying to setup the scratch box | 21:29 |
| ideamonk | Jaffa: trying that out ... | 21:29 |
| * Jaffa is working on a (relatively) lightweight cross-platform, predictable and easy-to-use dev env. | 21:29 | |
| Jaffa | But it's not ready yet | 21:29 |
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| slonopotamus | Jaffa, qemu binfmt chroot is everything that normal dev should want. | 21:30 |
| ideamonk | hmm seems like http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/maemo4-sdk/main/ doesn't have amd64 packages but the installer tries to fetch them | 21:31 |
| ideamonk | W: Failed to fetch http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/maemo4-sdk/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found | 21:31 |
| ideamonk | thanks anyways | 21:32 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, http://pastebin.ca/1500323 can you give it to me under gpl-3 license? :) | 21:32 |
| Jaffa | slonopotamus: Except speed ;-) | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: erm.. hmm :P | 21:33 |
| Jaffa | ideamonk: There's a -F option on the installer script (IIRC) to force the arch | 21:33 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: AFAIK that's not Stskeeps copyrighted | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | some may ponder what license gdb output is, heh | 21:35 |
| Luke-Jr | err | 21:35 |
| ds3 | 9 | 21:35 |
| Luke-Jr | if that literally came from gdb, that means it's debugging symbols | 21:36 |
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| Luke-Jr | and arguably libcal code | 21:36 |
| Luke-Jr | thus, Nokia owned | 21:36 |
| qwerty12_N810 | And you just pastebinned it... | 21:36 |
| * Luke-Jr glares at Stskeeps for distributing Nokia code :þ | 21:37 | |
| Luke-Jr | hmm | 21:37 |
| Luke-Jr | can we argue it's too simple to be copyrighted? | 21:37 |
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| slonopotamus_ | damnit | 21:39 |
| slonopotamus_ | how do i attach gdb to running proccess without suspending it? :D | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | don't | 21:40 |
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| Luke-Jr | …… | 21:40 |
| Luke-Jr | what would be the point? | 21:40 |
| slonopotamus | i want to read 'info types' output without getting rebooted by wd :D | 21:41 |
| slonopotamus | oh. --eval --batch should do the thing | 21:42 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: #Mer | 21:42 |
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| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: also, note gdb won't let you run any commands while a process is running | 21:45 |
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| * RST38h hates Hates HATES VAX | 22:01 | |
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| Stskeeps | woo, 1000 thanks :P | 22:05 |
| RST38h | you ancient, retarded, microcode controlled, memory faulting piece of shite... | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | why are you doing VAX again? :P | 22:08 |
| RST38h | you and your exceptions | 22:09 |
| RST38h | Sts: money. | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yes | 22:09 |
| RST38h | oh I seem to know what is wrong | 22:12 |
| RST38h | And the idiot box is showing Babylon5 marathon tonight, hehe | 22:15 |
| lbt | what? Bab5 | 22:16 |
| lbt | ooh | 22:16 |
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| RST38h | lbt: Better, they are showing the-best-of episodes | 22:35 |
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| RST38h | And even better, they apparently used wiki or something to figure out what best episodes are | 22:35 |
| RST38h | At least these do appear to be the best ones :) | 22:36 |
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| Macer | hm | 22:44 |
| Macer | llink for opensolaris | 22:44 |
| Macer | wonder how well it works | 22:44 |
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