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| * xnt14 googles | 00:00 | |
| xnt14 | for different server comparison | 00:00 |
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| Macer | http://www.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/global/products/adamo/topics/en/us/adamo?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&ST=dell%20adamo%20notebook&dgc=ST&cid=41842&lid=1071914&acd=53067,8,0,75308835,705838122,1247259746,,14917556,2874775 | 00:03 |
| Macer | wow what a piece of crap | 00:03 |
| Macer | what ever happened to good laptops? :) | 00:04 |
| Macer | or maybe a laptop that can actually play a real game or two? | 00:04 |
| johnsq | Macer: get a console | 00:04 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 00:04 |
| xnt14 | unrealircd seems good | 00:05 |
| Macer | a console? :) | 00:06 |
| Macer | heh | 00:06 |
| Macer | xnt14: sounds like the renegade of ircd | 00:06 |
| Macer | :) | 00:06 |
| xnt14 | well I'm not sure | 00:06 |
| xnt14 | xD | 00:06 |
| xnt14 | im just testing....:P | 00:07 |
| johnsq | Macer: xbox, psp, nds | 00:07 |
| xnt14 | don't forget ps3 ;) | 00:07 |
| Macer | oh | 00:08 |
| Macer | i have a wii | 00:08 |
| Macer | good enough | 00:08 |
| Macer | i don't really play games tah tmuch :) | 00:08 |
| xnt14 | :P | 00:08 |
| Macer | at the very most i'd play nba live | 00:08 |
| xnt14 | I use my xps to play nexuiz and fg | 00:08 |
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| lbt | wow.... Colour Inkjet Photo Printer 1.8" LCD Screen 9-in-1 Card Reader. Dye sublimation. ...... for £23 | 00:11 |
| lbt | that's just wrong | 00:11 |
| lbt | http://www.redstore.com/SAGPRI012 | 00:12 |
| Stskeeps | oh, right, the printer downstairs is a SD card reader | 00:13 |
| * Stskeeps has to remember that | 00:13 | |
| coldboot | lbt: Wait until you see the financing deals they have for ink, though. | 00:14 |
| coldboot | lbt: 3.9% interest for a limited time only. | 00:15 |
| lbt | heh I can imagine | 00:15 |
| lbt | I'm not sure how worried to be about removing the proxy... | 00:16 |
| coldboot | I think the Qt build actually goes slower when you do multiple jobs. | 00:16 |
| lbt | how many cores? | 00:16 |
| coldboot | I have two, I set it to three jobs. | 00:16 |
| lbt | ah... 2 jobs | 00:17 |
| coldboot | When I had 4 cores at my other job, setting it to -j5 was optimal, but using your computer was hard while building. | 00:17 |
| lbt | unless you have very slow disk you're mainly cpu bound | 00:17 |
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| coldboot | Yeah I'm definitely cpu bound in this case, the disk is barely working. | 00:17 |
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| xnt14 | musicbot: Mizuki Nana | Ultimate Diamond: 悦楽カメリア | 00:25 |
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| infobot | I herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power | 00:25 |
| RichiH | infobot: botsnack | 00:25 |
| infobot | RichiH: thanks | 00:26 |
| * Luke-Jr only has 1-core systems | 00:28 | |
| lbt | coldboot: did you see http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4_Hildon#Maemo_Qt_API_Reference | 00:28 |
| coldboot | Looking now. | 00:28 |
| Luke-Jr | why is Hildon obsessed with not working with standard apps? | 00:28 |
| johnsq | Luke-Jr: multi core is fine, have it since 10 years :) | 00:28 |
| Luke-Jr | johnsq: uh, multi-core hasn't existed for 10 years | 00:29 |
| lcuk | Luke-Jr, cos most standard desktop apps would overwhelm the tablet | 00:29 |
| johnsq | Luke-Jr: dual cpu, is the same | 00:29 |
| Luke-Jr | lcuk: pfft, nonsense | 00:29 |
| Luke-Jr | johnsq: not exactly | 00:29 |
| coldboot | Antonio wrote that documentation, didn't he? | 00:29 |
| coldboot | I can tell it's him from the way he types grammar, it's interesting. | 00:30 |
| lbt | he's italian | 00:30 |
| johnsq | Luke-Jr: make no big difference, 10 years ago, cache was extern | 00:30 |
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| coldboot | lbt: To some degree I think you can guess what someone's first language is based on how their mistakes in English are. | 00:38 |
| lbt | hmm, northener? | 00:39 |
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| coldboot | haha | 00:39 |
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| coldboot | Halloh, ah 'ad two pints, then me mate gave me anova, now ahv got free. | 00:41 |
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| lbt | manchester | 00:41 |
| coldboot | Bang on. | 00:41 |
| Luke-Jr | coldboot: not even mistakes, just accent | 00:41 |
| coldboot | I'm Canadian, and grew up there. But my mom and the rest of her family are from Manchester. | 00:41 |
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| coldboot | Luke-Jr: Yeah, in this case, but still when someone types you can map grammar mistakes to primary language. | 00:42 |
| lbt | I started out manchester way... down south now | 00:42 |
| Luke-Jr | coldboot: my point is they don't need to make mistakes | 00:44 |
| Luke-Jr | people type with different accents depending on original language too | 00:44 |
| coldboot | Luke-Jr: Accents usually don't get typed in to a computer unless it's intentional, though. | 00:45 |
| Luke-Jr | http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1058 | 00:45 |
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| lbt | Luke-Jr: they're grammatical... we're in agreement :) | 00:47 |
| lbt | well, you two are... I never agree with Luke-Jr on principal | 00:47 |
| Luke-Jr | lbt: Esteemed sir, please do not imply that this sentence is not gramattically correct. | 00:50 |
| lbt | you spelt gramattically wrong | 00:50 |
| Luke-Jr | spelling isn't grammar, idiot | 00:50 |
| Luke-Jr | and you spelled it the same way | 00:51 |
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| lbt | well, you spelt gramattically write, you spelt grammatically wrong | 00:51 |
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| tds5016 | hello all. I think permissions just went fubar on my internal memory card on my n810. | 00:53 |
| tds5016 | I can't connect via USB, and it fails when I try to send anything over bluetooth. | 00:54 |
| johnsq | look with the filenmanager. otherwise gainroot and check what is wrong. | 00:56 |
| Luke-Jr | tds5016: what does that have to do with permissions? | 00:57 |
| tds5016 | it gave me an access denied error. | 00:57 |
| tds5016 | I just chmodded it to 777 and now bluetooth works. | 00:57 |
| tds5016 | but usb won't mount the drive :-/. | 00:57 |
| coldboot | That was a really funny conversation about grammar. | 00:58 |
| coldboot | Luke-Jr: Are you a maemo developer as well? | 00:58 |
| Luke-Jr | no | 00:59 |
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| xnt14 | lol | 01:05 |
| xnt14 | musicbot: Mizuki Nana | Ultimate Diamond: 蒼き光の果て -ULTIMATE MODE- | 01:06 |
| xnt14 | Ultimate Diamond FTW! XD | 01:06 |
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| Luke-Jr | xnt14: … | 01:11 |
| coldboot | Someone's listening to anime music... | 01:12 |
| xnt14 | xD | 01:13 |
| Stskeeps | anyone with fremantle sdk on their hands and osso-xterm? | 01:13 |
| crashanddie_ | Stskeeps, ... | 01:13 |
| crashanddie_ | Stskeeps, I have the SDK on a CD in my hand... | 01:14 |
| Stskeeps | and no cd-rom drive? ;) | 01:14 |
| xnt14 | wtf is it with everyone saying stuff like fdsfdsf,..... or just ...... | 01:14 |
| xnt14 | ah well | 01:14 |
| xnt14 | i might as well join in xD | 01:14 |
| Stskeeps | xnt14: same spectrum as b-man saying "shure" | 01:14 |
| xnt14 | -.- | 01:14 |
| crashanddie_ | xnt14, you say only "xD" as well | 01:14 |
| xnt14 | ok then | 01:15 |
| coldboot | It's a picture of an anime character smiling while closing their eyes. | 01:15 |
| xnt14 | isn't (^_^) or ^_^ the anime character smiling with closed eyes? :P | 01:15 |
| crashanddie_ | xnt14, "..." usually means frustration or is a textual representation of the look when you cock your head at a 20 degree angle right/back, look at your mate and go "seriously... DUDE" | 01:16 |
| coldboot | xnt14: I guess they're both similar. | 01:16 |
| xnt14 | ok then :P | 01:16 |
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| crashanddie_ | "xD" could be "too much rice" | 01:17 |
| lbt | I thought ... was "and?" | 01:17 |
| xnt14 | no thats like | 01:18 |
| xnt14 | <example> | 01:18 |
| xnt14 | im bored.....again xD | 01:18 |
| xnt14 | </example | 01:18 |
| crashanddie_ | lbt, 'seriously... DUDE was "and?"' ? | 01:18 |
| xnt14 | * +> | 01:18 |
| lbt | just ... | 01:18 |
| javispedro | my brain needs larger stack frames | 01:19 |
| lbt | ... in the middle is a pause | 01:19 |
| coldboot | xnt14: ^_^ I guess could be some silly giant cat or hamster smiling after smacking its friend who's eyes are way too big. | 01:19 |
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| xnt14 | lol | 01:19 |
| coldboot | Here's Superpoop's interesting take on anime: http://www.superpoop.com/102708/anime-map.jpg | 01:19 |
| lbt | so... waiting for that to sink in you ^_^ (giant hamster) | 01:19 |
| xnt14 | musicbot: Mizuki Nana | Ultimate Diamond: Trickster | 01:20 |
| xnt14 | argh | 01:20 |
| * xnt14 kills musicbot <script> | 01:21 | |
| xnt14 | killall musicbot | 01:21 |
| xnt14 | </script> | 01:21 |
| xnt14 | <output> | 01:21 |
| coldboot | xD -> could also be some pixelated robot laughing at a school girl who has fallen over and has a giant tear drop on the side of her head, while exposing her panties underneath as her knees meet, immediately before she starts crying obnoxiously. | 01:21 |
| xnt14 | not found | 01:21 |
| xnt14 | </output> | 01:21 |
| xnt14 | :P | 01:21 |
| coldboot | Just a couple of patterns you might notice in anime. ;) | 01:21 |
| lbt | coldboot: we discussed grammar and location.... your sentence leads to a different kind of analysis.... | 01:22 |
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| crashanddie_ | coldboot, girl: -_-' | 01:22 |
| coldboot | lbt: hahaha | 01:23 |
| crashanddie_ | coldboot, http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/rives_tells_a_story_of_mixed_emoticons.html | 01:23 |
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| coldboot | Funny | 01:28 |
| lbt | is osso-addressbook closed? | 01:29 |
| Stskeeps | AFAIK | 01:29 |
| Stskeeps | but not sure | 01:29 |
| lbt | what does osso stand for? | 01:30 |
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| Stskeeps | a really ironic name | 01:30 |
| lbt | <sigh> | 01:30 |
| lbt | well modest gets as far as compiling ... error: tny-stream-cache.h: No such file or directory | 01:30 |
| Stskeeps | (open source software operations) | 01:30 |
| Stskeeps | tinymail update maybe | 01:31 |
| lbt | (I know ;) ) | 01:31 |
| lbt | I thought I'd gotten the latest tinymail | 01:31 |
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| lbt | hmm, shouldn't we have the telepathy stuff in Mer too? | 01:33 |
| Stskeeps | correct | 01:33 |
| Stskeeps | i think it might already be in ubuntu though | 01:33 |
| lbt | has maemo versions.... eg 0.0.6-0maemo3+0m5.dsc | 01:33 |
| lbt | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/t/ | 01:34 |
| Stskeeps | mmm | 01:35 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 01:35 |
| lbt | bed now | 01:35 |
| lbt | night all | 01:35 |
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| xnt14 | .site add newpost "blog moving back to wordpress" | 01:37 |
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| xnt14 | crap wrong channel XD | 01:37 |
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| coldboot | I'm out, see you all on Monday. | 01:49 |
| coldboot | The flicker solution is still compiling, I'm outta here. | 01:50 |
| fiferboy_n810 | coldboot, cool | 01:51 |
| fiferboy_n810 | Are your changes on gitorious? | 01:51 |
| fiferboy_n810 | In your clone? | 01:51 |
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| * xnt14 beats the shit out of his pos windows laptop ( which isn't linux compat ) | 05:20 | |
| xnt14 | this piece of crap bsod'ed on me while installing drivers | 05:21 |
| xnt14 | and now it bsods on me every time i boot | 05:21 |
| xnt14 | brb | 05:22 |
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| z4chh | generally speaking, if i took my router/wireless ap with me to a hotel that has ethernet in the room...can i setup a wlan relatively easily? ;p | 06:39 |
| xnt14 | b-man, hi! :) | 06:42 |
| xnt14 | :):):) | 06:42 |
| xnt14 | oh shit...... | 06:43 |
| xnt14 | X( | 06:43 |
| xnt14 | I just screwed up some deps on my nit X( | 06:43 |
| xnt14 | b-man16, you there? | 06:44 |
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| xnt14 | https://gni06.xceleo.org/ | 06:44 |
| b-man16 | yup xD | 06:44 |
| xnt14 | :P | 06:44 |
| b-man16 | *P | 06:44 |
| xnt14 | xD | 06:44 |
| b-man16 | lol | 06:44 |
| xnt14 | https://gni06.xceleo.org/ | 06:45 |
| xnt14 | ;) | 06:45 |
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| xnt14 | " | 06:45 |
| xnt14 | " | 06:45 |
| xnt14 | Welcome to the Globabl Network Infrastructure | 06:45 |
| xnt14 | ~ gni06 | 06:45 |
| xnt14 | neeed to fix that :P | 06:45 |
| xnt14 | b-man is your nit fixed? | 06:46 |
| * b-man16 gets a stupid security error in firefox in windows >X( i f*cking HATE!!!! windows! >:( | 06:46 | |
| b-man16 | not yet | 06:46 |
| xnt14 | x( | 06:46 |
| xnt14 | I also hate windows more than ever | 06:46 |
| * b-man16 got a diagnosis of his tablet from Palco btw :) | 06:48 | |
| b-man16 | the logic board somehow got messed up | 06:48 |
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| xnt14 | :) | 06:49 |
| xnt14 | so just replace the board? | 06:49 |
| b-man16 | yup, but it's going to cost $108 dollars to do so | 06:50 |
| * xnt14 wonders why b-man16 can't hear him on pm xD | 06:50 | |
| xnt14 | $108? :) | 06:50 |
| xnt14 | better than plunking down $900 on ebay | 06:51 |
| b-man16 | yes :) :P :) | 06:51 |
| b-man16 | indeed Xd | 06:51 |
| b-man16 | lol | 06:51 |
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| pupnik__ | GBA emulator running @ 250fps on iPhone 3gs | 07:10 |
| pupnik__ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YlCl5tKi4Y | 07:10 |
| pupnik__ | 150 | 07:10 |
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| z4chh | i found this interesting | 07:11 |
| z4chh | http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/retro-gaming/bd6f?cpg=cj | 07:11 |
| pupnik | i hear the snes emu is still bad/jittery | 07:12 |
| pupnik | otherwise very nice. first linux boot was shown on it a few days ago | 07:12 |
| pupnik | and inexpensive | 07:12 |
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| Macer | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10185351-1.html | 09:47 |
| Macer | I THINK THEY STOLE MER! | 09:47 |
| Macer | :) | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | nah, but i would like a sample of that machine | 09:53 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:15 |
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| Stskeeps | morning jaffa | 10:23 |
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| thux | morning | 10:26 |
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| Macer | http://i.gizmodo.com/5162584/always-innovating-touch-book-is-part+netbook-part+tablet-open-source-frankenstein | 10:48 |
| Macer | that's the touch book in action i suppose | 10:48 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: you should look into that and ditch the n8x0s :) | 10:49 |
| Macer | bbl | 10:49 |
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| pupnik | why do people keep comparing tablets to devices 5 times their size | 11:11 |
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| Macer | haha | 11:25 |
| Macer | well. a tablet is a tablet no matter what its size | 11:25 |
| Macer | there is no definition that a tablet must be small | 11:25 |
| Macer | but an 8.9 1024x600 tablet would be kind of nice t have | 11:25 |
| Macer | and i am very curious on how its tablet based os works | 11:25 |
| Macer | i guess with the keyboard hooked up it uses what i suppose is gnome | 11:26 |
| Macer | but the tablet ver (which it automatically switches to when the kb is detatched) | 11:26 |
| Macer | is like..well.. qtablet i guess :) because that is what it reminded me of | 11:26 |
| Macer | seems like it will be using the es stuff also | 11:26 |
| pupnik | i would like a voice recognition library on maemo | 11:28 |
| pupnik | with some kind of macro framework | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: we're not religious with what we support. if we have touchbook hardware and a number of conditions are met, we port | 11:29 |
| pupnik | or for a little game | 11:29 |
| pupnik | "bookmarks" "talk dot maemo" | 11:29 |
| pupnik | "google quote snes port quote maemo" | 11:30 |
| pupnik | gotta be on top of things from the userland side. somebodys gonna do it well, and gain the praise | 11:31 |
| pupnik | plus, with each generation getting stupider, agents and spoken UIs will become more prevalent | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | voice recognition is bloody heavy | 11:32 |
| pupnik | what for have dsp? :) | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | still | 11:33 |
| pupnik | mark mah woids :) i'd put money on it | 11:33 |
| pupnik | conversational UI will be big when done right | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | star trek, eh | 11:34 |
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| pupnik | yep. that created a 'subconscious market expectation' in my view | 11:35 |
| pupnik | maybe i need to dig out a suit and make a powerpoint | 11:36 |
| pupnik | -> ??? -> profit! | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | which is why iphone sold so well? | 11:36 |
| pupnik | i do not follow | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | padd | 11:36 |
| pupnik | hmm. dont recall how they look | 11:37 |
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| pupnik | http://www.pcworld.ca/pcworldContentimages/164195-Slide-15-PADD_slide_1ef213fc-5d0e-46d5-8495-18cae7d4916d.jpg | 11:39 |
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| pupnik | we should have a way to take pics with camera and tag the pic on our mapview | 11:59 |
| pupnik | associate somehow with gps | 11:59 |
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| Macer | heh | 12:20 |
| Macer | conversational ui | 12:20 |
| Macer | i dunno man | 12:20 |
| Macer | sometimes talking to a device feels kind of stupid | 12:20 |
| Macer | unless it could have hardcore responses | 12:20 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: i was just joking | 12:21 |
| lcuk | "im sorry macer, im afraid i cant do that" | 12:21 |
| Macer | lcuk: yup.. that's most likely | 12:21 |
| Macer | i thought it odd the only video of a touch book in action was running angstrom | 12:23 |
| Macer | i guess they were developing on a beagleboard | 12:23 |
| Macer | but the devices they had turned on and they showed it running what looks like gnome on one of them | 12:23 |
| Macer | and the other stuff which looks like qtablet | 12:23 |
| Macer | then again most news reports have it being released in may or june and it's july and their web site says "in july" | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. at least its more tangible than pandora | 12:24 |
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| pupnik | great idea lcuk :) | 12:29 |
| pupnik | but for just macroing commands it's of limited use. A really clever 'ai' helping accomplish tasks however, that'd be a different thing. | 12:30 |
| pupnik | especially if the software could take inputs from the community of users - e.g. correlate spoken wishes with actions, search terms etc taken by the (more experienced) user | 12:31 |
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| pupnik | might be a security problem with that model though | 12:32 |
| pupnik | :) | 12:32 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, forget security, merely the level of intelligence of the users will be a problem | 12:38 |
| lcuk | what one user describes a problem as will be different to others ;) | 12:38 |
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| pupnik | i just find chatbots interesting | 12:40 |
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| pupnik | there should also be some way to automatically score users | 12:40 |
| pupnik | for e.g. user creates a new document | 12:41 |
| pupnik | chatbot asks "what are you doing?" | 12:41 |
| pupnik | users give many varied answers, but "creating a new document" is common (as well as homologous statements) | 12:41 |
| lcuk | thats a bit long winded aint it | 12:42 |
| * lcuk has a program for windows called whatamidoing | 12:42 | |
| pupnik | or 'agent' obvserves a sequence of google/yahoo/altavista searches, notes a set of content searched associated with a session. agent asks "wat ru doin" - the user responses can be correlated with a variety of actions at a variety of timescales. | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | clippy? | 12:43 |
| pupnik | nhahja | 12:43 |
| pupnik | yeah | 12:43 |
| pupnik | but in this case, the conversational aspect doesn't compete with the eyes for inputs | 12:44 |
| pupnik | or hands for mouse/typing | 12:44 |
| pupnik | so it's physically seperated to help emphasize it's 'meta os' aspect | 12:44 |
| pupnik | its | 12:44 |
| lcuk | ur meta os should really have the formfactor of a tissue dispensor | 12:46 |
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| lcuk | then it can get it ready at the right time :D | 12:46 |
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| lcuk | "if username==pupnik and searches=='pron&horses&ninjas&midgets' dispense tissue | 12:47 |
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| pupnik | :D | 12:56 |
| pupnik | http://www.unicornbag.com/photogallery/bags.shtml Mushroom Pr0n | 12:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | You don't want to see what people do to carrots... | 12:58 |
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| javispedro | this rollaly sucks | 14:24 |
| javispedro | it is a microb-eal bug and not a hildon_im one | 14:24 |
| javispedro | I've been looking the whole time at the wrong culprit | 14:25 |
| javispedro | microb-eal "decides" than since the Chr key is not pressed, there's no way that hildon-im could ever filter a hw key press | 14:25 |
| javispedro | which is a true assumption in non-ptes layouts | 14:26 |
| javispedro | I specially like the hardcoded Chr key scancode in what is not even Maemo-specific code | 14:27 |
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| javispedro | what's worse, is that Gecko contains much better code doing mostly the same thing, only disabled in MicroB | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | welcome to maemohell | 14:32 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Population: 250+ | 14:33 |
| * Stskeeps hugs Tear | 14:33 | |
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| Stskeeps | swear to god, i don't understand how it could be so fast on freerunner :P | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | that device is slow like hell | 14:36 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | It's the saviour to MicroB users, can't blame it for being the shit on a freerunner | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | what were you going to study btw? was it history or? | 14:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | History, Business Studies, Computing, and English Literature | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | sounds good | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | a good mix for the future | 14:39 |
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| Macer | wow. talk abou ta shitty article from MS | 14:41 |
| Macer | http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/mobility/learnmore/russel_02march04.mspx | 14:42 |
| Macer | was trying to get this xp netbook to automatically tether or connect to the home network with differet settings | 14:42 |
| Macer | automatically | 14:42 |
| Macer | according to that article it should just kind of work? | 14:42 |
| Macer | heh | 14:42 |
| javispedro | windows & wireless = no work | 14:45 |
| javispedro | it still remember that original "feature" where choosing AES would use TKIP instead | 14:45 |
| javispedro | and viceversa | 14:45 |
| lcuk | easy mistake to make | 14:46 |
| Macer | oh the wifi works fine | 14:46 |
| Macer | when i manually config it to tether or to use the home ap | 14:47 |
| Macer | just not automatically. i don't understand it since the tethering and home stuff use a different subnet | 14:47 |
| glass | Macer: get some 3rd party tool for that | 14:47 |
| glass | Macer: widget or somesuch | 14:47 |
| Macer | glass: heh | 14:47 |
| Macer | or i can just tether a wifi router with openwrt to my phone when the phone is in range | 14:47 |
| Macer | and use the router as an ap :) | 14:47 |
| glass | hehe | 14:47 |
| Macer | wow that would be so damn ghetto | 14:48 |
| Macer | almost up to 60 hours without smoking :) | 14:49 |
| Macer | go me1 | 14:49 |
| lcuk | i used to smoke | 14:49 |
| lcuk | i still do, but i used to as well | 14:49 |
| javispedro | So if microb-eal is not going to allow me to use that gecko code, that gecko code must go to microb-eal :D | 14:51 |
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| Macer | gecko blah | 15:03 |
| Macer | hm | 15:03 |
| Macer | new eureka came out | 15:03 |
| Macer | going to watch it | 15:03 |
| javispedro | <code>gKeyEventChanged = PR_FALSE; gKeyEventCommitted = PR_FALSE; gKeyEventChanged = PR_FALSE;</code> | 15:04 |
| javispedro | "just in case the computer didn't get the value right the first time" | 15:04 |
| javispedro | (this on gecko) | 15:04 |
| javispedro | without any comments at all, I'm left to guess if it's a mistake or some nasty weird race condition | 15:05 |
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| javispedro | and since I'm not going to verify that, I will just blindly copy the double assignment, and as such the friggin initial typo gets replicated once again | 15:07 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: happen to know if cp foo.{a,b,c,d} is a bashism? | 15:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | no, sorry | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | k | 15:15 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: tcsh supports it | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but if it's a bash vs dash thing :) | 15:15 |
| javispedro | hum... busybox does not | 15:16 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | lintian has it classed as one, anyway | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 15:23 |
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| slonopotamus | try the following command and tell me, what nokians were thinking about when said its 'center' horizontal alignment | 16:38 |
| slonopotamus | chroot /mnt/initfs/ text2screen -s 10 -H center -t aaaaaaaaa | 16:38 |
| slonopotamus | i'm not going to repeat that behaviour | 16:39 |
| thux | does it work in stock diablo? | 16:45 |
| slonopotamus | thux, yep | 16:48 |
| thux | cool it worked! got many aaa.. | 16:50 |
| slonopotamus | thux, they're supposed to be centered. but its broken. | 16:51 |
| thux | yes text goes up | 16:52 |
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| slonopotamus | so | 17:05 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i think fb_text2screen is done. it has all features of original text2screen and zero known to me bugs :) | 17:06 |
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| slonopotamus | it isn't 100% compatible in bugs, however | 17:08 |
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| slonopotamus | for ex, text2screen doesn't properly convert text color to 16 bit | 17:09 |
| slonopotamus | `chroot /mnt/initfs/ text2screen -s 10 -T 0x00ff00 -t Z` supposed to draw green Z. but its orange. | 17:10 |
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| Stskeeps | sounds cool :) | 17:13 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, try it ;) | 17:16 |
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| slonopotamus | i need to rollout tarballs, i think... | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | if you want to work on a open initfs (wifi, bme blobs excluded) you're more than welcome | 17:17 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, why initfs at all, btw? i still hope to put modern kernel on tablet | 17:18 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: very useful for rescue operations, simple :P | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | either that or kernel setting to boot into a rescue mode | 17:19 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, fremantle isn't going to have initfs? | 17:19 |
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| Stskeeps | correct | 17:20 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, what does it have instead? | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | nothing, boots directly to flash area i think | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | i don't know, honestly | 17:22 |
| GAN800 | Magic | 17:23 |
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| GAN800 | Either that, or Maemo Genuine Advantage. ;) | 17:23 |
| slonopotamus | http://git.slonopotamus.org/?p=fb_text2screen try it :) | 17:23 |
| GAN800 | They put the HSPA modem in there so it can phone home at boot. ;) | 17:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | When will AntiMGA be coming out for it then? ;) | 17:24 |
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| GAN800 | qwerty12, never. | 17:29 |
| GAN800 | MGA is unstoppable. | 17:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Yeah, I can believe that. The only "crack" OS2008 saw was a trial reset :D | 17:30 |
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| tl | how to use maemo sdk image in windows? | 17:48 |
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| lcuk2 | tl, vmware | 17:49 |
| tl | yeah | 17:49 |
| tl | i don't know how to use it | 17:49 |
| tl | i have downloaded the sdk image and vmplayer | 17:50 |
| lcuk2 | run vmware, open image, marvel at a whole linux computer running in a window | 17:50 |
| tl | yeah i can see it | 17:51 |
| tl | i can't use command Xephyr | 17:51 |
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| tl | it prompt "can't open shared file libfontenc.so.1" | 17:52 |
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| tl | what is the libfontenc.so.1? | 17:53 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: did you ever try running a later uclibc in initfs? | 17:54 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: I don't trust Nokia programs to work with anything newer | 17:55 |
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| tl | If i want to use maemo sdk image in windows,how should i do ? | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: ah, the exploding tablet problem | 17:56 |
| tl | The steps i must take. | 17:56 |
| lcuk2 | run vmware, open image, marvel at a whole linux computer running in a window | 17:56 |
| lcuk2 | from there its the same instructions for running the sdk in linux ;) | 17:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: thinking about statically compiling fb_text2screen? | 17:57 |
| tl | how about vmware workstation 5.5? | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: no, i was thinking how we can work around the initfs bug | 17:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ah | 17:58 |
| tl | The sdk image doesn't support vmware station 5.5? | 17:58 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: It will be "looked" but after 2 years, I'm inclined to think bullshit | 17:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | +at | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: sometimes it's easier to act than beg i guess | 17:59 |
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| lcuk2 | Jaffa, you around | 18:00 |
| tl | i use vmplayer and it works,however,it doesn't work when i use vmware workstation 5.5 | 18:00 |
| lcuk2 | then speak to your vmware workstation reseller | 18:01 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12_N810, statically built fb_text2screen is 580kb :/ | 18:02 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | slonopotamus: use a uclibc toolchain :) | 18:02 |
| tl | i use a free vmware workstation. | 18:02 |
| lcuk2 | then make a note of the error messages and ask in vmware chan? i dont think anyone would know why a specific version of vmware doesnt work | 18:03 |
| tl | it seems that it is lack of some components. | 18:03 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12_N810, i tried. uclibc doesn't build for me | 18:03 |
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| woglinde | slonopotamus use openemebdded | 18:04 |
| slonopotamus | and i don't feel brave enough to hack it :) | 18:04 |
| tl | yeah | 18:04 |
| woglinde | to build uclibc toolchain | 18:04 |
| tl | if i use vmplayer,it can be started normolly. | 18:04 |
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| slonopotamus | woglinde, ... i use gcc to build it. how openembedded helps here? | 18:05 |
| tl | but i can't use command Xephyr and i can't debug gui application. | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: you don't have to build uclibc, just use one from a toolchain :P | 18:05 |
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| woglinde | slonopotamus because oe buils uclibc toolchain when you set MACHINE to nxx and distro chinook | 18:05 |
| woglinde | then you can compile you program statical | 18:06 |
| woglinde | and run on the device | 18:06 |
| qwerty12_N810 | slonopotamus: grab the one for scratchbox | 18:06 |
| tl | the error message is "there is no libfontenc.so.1".what is libfontenc.so.1? | 18:06 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i don't like unreproducible binaries | 18:06 |
| slonopotamus | and why build it statically at all? | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: welcome to maemohell | 18:06 |
| woglinde | *g* | 18:07 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i'm rewriting it :) | 18:07 |
| woglinde | or use mer | 18:07 |
| slonopotamus | woglinde, i use gentoo | 18:07 |
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| * Stskeeps wonders what we really need from initfss | 18:07 | |
| Stskeeps | BME, and that's about it? if we could get static binaries of wlan-cal, bme, wouldn't we be fairly happy? | 18:08 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, watchdog from dsme for bme | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | we have dsme open source | 18:09 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i mean, you want wd too | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, we have dsme :P | 18:09 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, ... i mean, you want it in initfs | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 18:10 |
| * slonopotamus runs `# crossdev armv6j-gentoo-uclibceabi` | 18:11 | |
| slonopotamus | err | 18:11 |
| slonopotamus | i lost 'linux' :( | 18:11 |
| slonopotamus | armv6j-gentoo-linux-uclibceabi | 18:12 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | slonopotamus: ~68kb static binary that runs in initfs: http://qwerty12.qole.org/fb_text2screen_slono_initfs.tar | 18:26 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12_N810, built against uclibc? | 18:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | yep | 18:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | tried it out, works really well, thanks | 18:27 |
| woglinde | qwerty12_N810 with which toolchain? | 18:28 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12_N810, it doesn't untar with gnu tar. it just waits for smth | 18:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | slonopotamus: odd, knock the ".tar" off the link | 18:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | woglinde: not sure, it's some scratchbox one I found, the link is in the irc logs somewhere | 18:29 |
| woglinde | qwerty hm okay | 18:30 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12_N810, it works :) | 18:30 |
| qwerty12_N810 | :) | 18:30 |
| woglinde | *g* | 18:31 |
| qwerty12_N810 | slonopotamus: cmake sucks btw, I ended up doing the gcc line by hand | 18:32 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12_N810, i tried to use autotools, spend 3 days and threw them away. then set up cmake build in 1.5 hours | 18:33 |
| woglinde | 3 days? | 18:34 |
| woglinde | slonopotamus you read the autotools manual and looked at the examples? | 18:34 |
| woglinde | most problem with autotools is that you find to many outdated dokus in the net | 18:35 |
| slonopotamus | woglinde, i read official documentation | 18:37 |
| woglinde | slonopotamus what were your problems? | 18:37 |
| woglinde | and what do you wanted to achieve? | 18:37 |
| slonopotamus | woglinde, i couldn't understand how to properly pass -std=c99 to gcc | 18:38 |
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| woglinde | ????? | 18:43 |
| woglinde | Makefile.am setting CLFAGS="-std=c99" | 18:43 |
| slonopotamus | nooo | 18:43 |
| woglinde | ????? | 18:44 |
| slonopotamus | that doesn't respect user's CFLAGS | 18:44 |
| javispedro | AM_CFLAGS | 18:44 |
| woglinde | jepp | 18:44 |
| woglinde | or per app CFLAGS | 18:44 |
| woglinde | bin_PROGRAMS = prog1 prog2 | 18:45 |
| woglinde | prog2_CFLAGS = $(LIBFOOCFLAGS) $(AM_CFLAGS) | 18:45 |
| woglinde | thats from offical Automake doku | 18:45 |
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| derf | "Most problems with autotools" are that there are approximately 4 people on the planet who understand it, and it gets changed, incompatibly in both directions, every version. | 18:46 |
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| woglinde | derf???? | 18:46 |
| woglinde | the problem is that the programms are to lazy to read the doku | 18:47 |
| woglinde | and update there stuff | 18:47 |
| woglinde | and then using constructs from 10 years ago | 18:47 |
| derf | No, most of them wouldn't understand it if they _did_ read it. | 18:47 |
| derf | People _like_ using constructs from 10 years ago, because developers _do_ _not_ _care_ about your build system. | 18:48 |
| derf | They just want it to _work_. | 18:48 |
| woglinde | then I am one of the four haha | 18:48 |
| derf | Seriously, autotools is probably responsible for more wasted developer time than any other single thing besides Windows. | 18:48 |
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| woglinde | if developers dont care about buildsystem they cair about nothing | 18:49 |
| derf | Speak for yourself. | 18:49 |
| woglinde | *sigh* | 18:49 |
| slonopotamus | woglinde, besides that, it is damn slow | 18:49 |
| javispedro | I have to agree with derf. I've wasted a lot of time with autotools. | 18:49 |
| woglinde | slonopotamus okay thats the minus | 18:49 |
| derf | It's far from "the" minus. | 18:49 |
| derf | It doesn't even make my list of the top 5 minuses. | 18:50 |
| slonopotamus | and i don't like all those generated files in my source tree | 18:50 |
| woglinde | but the problem is you have no better system if you care about cross compiling | 18:50 |
| derf | I would argue that writing makefiles by hand is better. | 18:50 |
| javispedro | AC_CHECK_PROG() does that take a [action_if_false] or does it always fail? I'll never remember | 18:50 |
| javispedro | have to check the "dokus" as you say -> wasted time | 18:51 |
| derf | Because it's just as much work to get going, and you still have to test everything anyway, but at the end it isn't broken arbitrarily because someone else decided to change all the constructs on you. | 18:51 |
| slonopotamus | http://www.vtk.org/Wiki/CMake_Cross_Compiling h | 18:51 |
| slonopotamus | uh? | 18:52 |
| slonopotamus | anyway | 18:52 |
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| woglinde | slonopotamus I know cmake | 18:52 |
| slonopotamus | i tried to used autotools first. it failed for me. | 18:52 |
| slonopotamus | s/used/use/ | 18:53 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: i tried to use autotools first. it failed for me. | 18:53 |
| slonopotamus | woglinde, qwerty12_N810 feel free to write a patch that converts fb_text2screen to autotools :) | 18:54 |
| woglinde | *g* | 18:54 |
| qwerty12_N810 | slonopotamus: why? invoking gcc directly worked fine here :P | 18:55 |
| javispedro | somehow I'm yet to understand the whole autotools craze | 18:55 |
| javispedro | ancient unixes are dead | 18:55 |
| derf | You know what's even better about hand-written Makefiles? When something goes wrong when someone tries to use it on a platform you didn't test (which is inevitable, if not _more_ likely with autotools), an _ordinary_ human being can read your Makefile, diagnose the problem, and fix it. | 18:55 |
| javispedro | plain makefiles are much better | 18:55 |
| woglinde | *sigh* | 18:55 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12_N810, until there's 1 binary - yep | 18:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Mmm, I had to go through a Makefile generated by Ruby's extconf.rb and the urge to commit suicide was overwhelming | 18:56 |
| derf | Generated Makefiles are quite something else. | 18:56 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12_N810, after i add cal-tool + shared lib + header, things will become more complicated | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: just as bad as cdbs? ;) | 18:56 |
| derf | But even I'm prone to hand-editing automake's generated Makefiles rather than trying to actually fix the automake problem. | 18:56 |
| javispedro | what does autotools do either way? apart from automatic dependency :D | 18:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: cdbs is ok now, I found some .mk file which you can include to override what cdbs runs etc | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 18:59 |
| slonopotamus | javispedro, no idea. platform-specific defines? | 18:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: lots of tests! :D | 18:59 |
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| derf | It's very important that you know you can pass 32768 command-line arugments. | 19:00 |
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| javispedro | tests | 19:00 |
| javispedro | which would be much better done ONCE in a system's lifetime | 19:00 |
| javispedro | then saved in a pkg-config like application | 19:01 |
| javispedro | and just "pkg-config --cflags MY_SYSTEM_CONFIG" | 19:01 |
| lcuk2 | what happens when you upgrade little bits? | 19:01 |
| woglinde | qwerty12 made no sense to argue further | 19:01 |
| lcuk2 | like install a newer patch of xargs | 19:01 |
| lcuk2 | what rules would you put on rebuilding this config thing | 19:01 |
| lbt | hmm, seems a good time to ask... I'm missing ./libtool ... how do I get it? | 19:01 |
| woglinde | if one have a complex app with serval libs and bins using gettext | 19:01 |
| woglinde | autotools is best choice | 19:01 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lbt: libtoolize afaik | 19:02 |
| * lcuk2 gave up on libtool | 19:02 | |
| woglinde | lcuk2 hm | 19:02 |
| woglinde | may I help you? | 19:02 |
| lbt | the ./configure has :LIBTOOL='$(SHELL) $(top_builddir)/libtool' | 19:02 |
| lcuk2 | heh not that i know of | 19:02 |
| lcuk2 | nothing i did could make full library building work on device | 19:03 |
| lbt | and I'm not rewriting it, just packaging it | 19:03 |
| lcuk2 | and i broke 3 working dev machines in the process | 19:03 |
| woglinde | lcuk ????? | 19:03 |
| lcuk2 | so i went back to the old way and have been happy since | 19:03 |
| lbt | libtoolize doesn't "just fix it" :( | 19:03 |
| lcuk2 | :) | 19:03 |
| woglinde | lbt do you have a pointer to your soft? | 19:03 |
| lcuk2 | woglinde, i do all dev on device, getting full library generation and dpkg and autofuck and all that working almost made me go bacld | 19:04 |
| lbt | woglinde: ? | 19:04 |
| lbt | src | 19:04 |
| woglinde | lbt it will generate if you have proper configure.ac and run autoreconf | 19:04 |
| lbt | it's conboy as it happens | 19:04 |
| lbt | I did : automake --add-missing ; autoreconf | 19:04 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Common_Problems/Failed_Diagnosis | 19:04 |
| lbt | trying to document some of this stuff | 19:05 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Build/Common_Problems | 19:05 |
| lbt | seems more productive than arguing on irc too ;) | 19:05 |
| woglinde | hm is conboy at garage? | 19:05 |
| javispedro | lcuk2, dunno :) maybe xargs should take care of properly specifying its own specifications | 19:05 |
| lbt | yes but | 19:05 |
| lbt | do you have a novell account? | 19:05 |
| woglinde | nope | 19:05 |
| lbt | would you mind? | 19:06 |
| lbt | then it's just https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=conboy&project=Maemo%3AMer%3AExtras%3ADevel | 19:06 |
| lcuk2 | javispedro, with however many versions in the wild right now, your suggestion about a config style setup would be difficult at best and frought with issues | 19:06 |
| lbt | and dl the tar.gz with mer diffs | 19:06 |
| lbt | woglinde: instructions here for acc: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build | 19:06 |
| lcuk2 | you are mandating changing every single utility worldwide to work with your config file because you dont want to run ./configure ;) | 19:06 |
| woglinde | lbt did you change something on the autotools file too? | 19:07 |
| lcuk2 | a lot of people know its a brainfuck, but its the easiest way to do it :) | 19:07 |
| lbt | not AFAIK | 19:07 |
| lbt | conboy isn't fully branch/patch managed yet | 19:07 |
| lbt | so it's a tad hard to tell | 19:08 |
| javispedro | lcuk2: touché :) | 19:08 |
| woglinde | ohnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo | 19:08 |
| lbt | (if it was I'd point you at gitorious) | 19:08 |
| woglinde | they are using AM_GLIB_GNU_GETTEXT | 19:08 |
| derf | lcuk2: I don't see how that's much different than requiring new versions of autofoo all the time. | 19:08 |
| * woglinde cries | 19:08 | |
| derf | Because _every_ _version_ breaks every other one. | 19:08 |
| lbt | woglinde: I am blissfully ignorant :) | 19:09 |
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| derf | And godforbid someone actually want to build 10 year-old software using those "10 year-old constructs". | 19:09 |
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| lcuk2 | derf agreed | 19:10 |
| lcuk2 | but really, building *ANCIENT* software like that should be banned :p | 19:10 |
| lcuk2 | thats like older than qwerty12_N810 | 19:10 |
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| derf | lcuk2: Right. Let's mandate that every developer everywhere continually dick with their build system, forever. | 19:10 |
| derf | Because that seems like a great use of everyone's time. | 19:11 |
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| lcuk2 | agreed and there will never be a one size fits all solution | 19:11 |
| wazd_n800 | hello everyone) | 19:12 |
| lbt | hi wazd_n800 | 19:12 |
| lcuk2 | hiya wazd_n800 | 19:12 |
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| woglinde | lbt the gettext stuff has to change | 19:14 |
| woglinde | its the olde usage | 19:14 |
| woglinde | which is pain in ace | 19:15 |
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| lbt | OK | 19:15 |
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| woglinde | lbt are you maintainer of conboy? | 19:15 |
| lbt | is it relatively easy? | 19:15 |
| lbt | no, Mer | 19:15 |
| woglinde | lbt yes | 19:15 |
| lbt | I am happy to have a Mer patch for it | 19:16 |
| woglinde | because AM_GLIB_GNU_GETTEXT always set USE_NLS to true | 19:16 |
| lbt | I am happy to *maintain* a Mer patch for it | 19:16 |
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| woglinde | the #else in localization.h is useless | 19:16 |
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| woglinde | lbt I did the change yesterday for pulseaudio | 19:16 |
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| lbt | fancy jotting some notes down: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Build/Common_Problems | 19:17 |
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| xnt14 | my dad wants to connect his vista laptop to the network, and the public private crap is driving me insane | 19:36 |
| xnt14 | I set a static ip, and then it sets it automatically to the 192.168.x range, but I use 10.5.1.x range....... | 19:36 |
| xnt14 | brb | 19:37 |
| Macer | ok. couldn't take it anymoer | 19:47 |
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| Macer | i pre-ordered a touch book | 19:47 |
| Macer | heh | 19:47 |
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| lcuk2 | Macer, i thought you loved your g1 | 19:51 |
| lcuk2 | or wasnt it you | 19:51 |
| woglinde | macer yeah | 19:51 |
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| Macer | lcuk2: i do | 19:59 |
| Macer | BUT... this thing is like an arm based netbook | 19:59 |
| Macer | i have an aspire1 now but it sucks | 19:59 |
| Macer | heh | 19:59 |
| Macer | lasts like 4-5 hours | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | with mer and proper power management i bet it can last longer :P | 20:00 |
| Macer | lol! | 20:00 |
| Macer | you mean like sleeping and totally hibernating in xp? | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | i was talking about the touchbook | 20:00 |
| Macer | that's crap. my n800 lasted longer if i didn't use it and came right back on | 20:00 |
| Macer | oh | 20:00 |
| Macer | lol | 20:00 |
| Macer | the touchbook is supposed to last 10-15 horus | 20:00 |
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| Macer | i was talking about the aspireone i'm on now | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but 10-15 hours with maemo + power saving, will rock :P | 20:01 |
| Macer | the aspireone lasts 4-5 | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | as in, lasts for several days | 20:01 |
| Macer | oh i'm sure it would | 20:01 |
| Macer | the tablet comes with a small batter though | 20:01 |
| Macer | battery | 20:01 |
| Macer | to get the full 10hrs you have to attach the keyboard | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:01 |
| Macer | with its secondary battery | 20:01 |
| Macer | i preordered one a few minutes ago | 20:01 |
| Macer | my impulse to buy one was too high | 20:01 |
| Macer | haha | 20:01 |
| glass | sounds nice | 20:01 |
| glass | for cottage whatever | 20:02 |
| glass | Macer: how much? | 20:02 |
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| Macer | $428 after all was said and done | 20:03 |
| Macer | wtf is... | 20:03 |
| Macer | an eWaste tax?? | 20:03 |
| Macer | 2.5%? | 20:03 |
| Macer | is that california's way of getting out of a $20billion hole? | 20:03 |
| glass | haha | 20:04 |
| glass | taxes that get added to advertised price suck bigtime | 20:04 |
| Macer | glass: well. that's pretty normal here | 20:04 |
| Macer | sales tax where i live is the highest in the US | 20:04 |
| Macer | i'm in chicago and we have a 10.25% sales tax! | 20:05 |
| Macer | that's just retarded | 20:05 |
| Macer | i go to other counties to buy stuff.. i'd rather spend the extra money on gas than pay these bastards their greed money | 20:05 |
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| glass | Macer: yeh, but it's retarded system, thus makes for good jokes on cartoons :D(fault of both merchants and gov i suppose) | 20:06 |
| Macer | odd though. i thought they were waiving shipping costs if you pre-order but it is still on teh invoice | 20:06 |
| Macer | so maybe they are sending units out already | 20:06 |
| Macer | glass: 10.25 is just way out there though | 20:06 |
| Macer | i mean.. if you buy a big ticket item like a car... 10.25%? | 20:06 |
| glass | Macer: man.. i'm from finland. you got any idea what VAT is on fun stuff here? | 20:07 |
| Macer | that's like loan sharking | 20:07 |
| Macer | well. i sent Stskeeps an n800 in dk | 20:07 |
| Macer | and he kept telling me "mark it as a gift! mark it as a gift!" | 20:07 |
| glass | hehe | 20:07 |
| Macer | :) something about taxes there | 20:07 |
| Macer | haha | 20:07 |
| glass | Macer: been there :D in similar situation receiving a package | 20:08 |
| glass | Macer: i once got a xbox and couple of phones through customs by paying the vat for a pair of sneakers | 20:08 |
| Macer | lol!! | 20:08 |
| glass | Macer: my friend had used old receipts and such as packing material | 20:08 |
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| Macer | i'm still curious as to what an eWaste tax is | 20:08 |
| Macer | it's on the invoice | 20:08 |
| Macer | 2.50% | 20:09 |
| glass | Macer: the xbox had a busted psu so i was a bit nervous if i had to pay tax on it or not.. | 20:09 |
| Macer | you would figure that there would be less waste ordering online | 20:09 |
| Macer | since it doesn't require paper :) | 20:09 |
| Macer | what woudl happen if you didn't pay? | 20:09 |
| glass | Macer: probably they have to take your ewaste back though now | 20:09 |
| Macer | would a black unmarked truck show up to your house | 20:09 |
| glass | i wouldn't have gotten the package | 20:09 |
| glass | it got flagged down at customs | 20:09 |
| Macer | glass: like there were spare electrons left over clogging the internets? | 20:09 |
| glass | since then i've favored "books" as label | 20:10 |
| Macer | and they needed the tax to keep the internets clean? | 20:10 |
| glass | Macer: your old c64 and shit | 20:10 |
| Macer | haha | 20:10 |
| Macer | i don't have an old c64 | 20:10 |
| Macer | although i guess i have thrown monitors out before :) | 20:10 |
| glass | yeah but someone has somebodys old c64 | 20:10 |
| Macer | i saw a special on "recycling" places | 20:10 |
| glass | yeah those can be real fun | 20:11 |
| Macer | they said they were taking old computer stuff and recycling it | 20:11 |
| Macer | what they were really doing was sending it to a place outside of hk illegally | 20:11 |
| glass | hehe | 20:11 |
| Macer | and having poor workers sit there melting the raw materials down in giant vats of melted plastic and other deadly chemicals | 20:11 |
| glass | not a really long term business that | 20:11 |
| Macer | with nothing but rags on their faces | 20:11 |
| Macer | and when i say poor. i mean financially poor. not poor because they have to do it :) | 20:12 |
| glass | yeh | 20:12 |
| Macer | they had all these melted plastic scars on their arms and shit like that | 20:12 |
| Macer | haha | 20:12 |
| Macer | i suppose technically you can say they WERE recycling | 20:12 |
| Macer | just low tech :) | 20:12 |
| glass | yeah, but doing it just so.. well. bad | 20:12 |
| glass | but it's a chinese tradition | 20:12 |
| Macer | yah | 20:13 |
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| Macer | you have to love lack of chinese quality control just for a buck | 20:13 |
| Macer | they are the perfect capitalist communist country | 20:13 |
| glass | well if you're starving i suppose i'd do some crazier shit | 20:13 |
| Macer | you saw what they did with the food inspector that let the tainted baby milk out right? :) | 20:13 |
| Macer | took him somewhere and shot him in the head | 20:13 |
| Macer | haha | 20:13 |
| glass | can't really shoplift if you get shot for doing that | 20:13 |
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| Macer | yah | 20:14 |
| Macer | haha | 20:14 |
| Macer | man i hope they are shipping this thing now | 20:14 |
| Macer | and their web site just hasn't been updated | 20:14 |
| Macer | i really want to mess with it | 20:14 |
| lcuk2 | well, you can shoplift, but you will only get caught once | 20:14 |
| Macer | lcuk2: in arab countries they still chop hands off | 20:15 |
| glass | lcuk2: better shoplift something good then | 20:15 |
| Macer | we need some tough love like that here :) | 20:15 |
| Macer | i heard a story about one guy who was on trial in saudi arabia | 20:15 |
| glass | Macer: chasing shoplifters who think you'll kill them is pretty nasty too | 20:15 |
| lcuk2 | well, last person that tried that is up for attempted murder | 20:15 |
| Macer | he told the "judge" that the thing he took was just sitting there | 20:15 |
| Macer | he found something in the middle of the road | 20:15 |
| * xnt14 screams I GOT A GOOGLE VOICE INVITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 20:15 | |
| Macer | the judge told him, "Well.. you KNEW it wasn't yours didn't you?" | 20:16 |
| Macer | hahaha | 20:16 |
| xnt14 | ok ill stop now | 20:16 |
| xnt14 | xD | 20:16 |
| Macer | a google voice? | 20:16 |
| Macer | uhm | 20:16 |
| xnt14 | google voice invite | 20:16 |
| Macer | you need an invite for google voice? | 20:16 |
| javispedro | waaaaaaaaaaaaah xnt14 :( | 20:16 |
| ShadowJK | you used to need invite for gmail :) | 20:16 |
| xnt14 | You are invited to open a free Google Voice account. To accept this invitation and create your account, visit [removed] | 20:16 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: i know but | 20:16 |
| glass | inviting is the marketing thing they think they invented so.. | 20:16 |
| xnt14 | no it works :) | 20:17 |
| Macer | i kind of thought that if you have a gmail acct you get the google voice too | 20:17 |
| xnt14 | did one of you guys send me one? | 20:17 |
| Macer | if you add the add-on | 20:17 |
| lcuk2 | voice or grandcentral? | 20:17 |
| lcuk2 | http://www.grandcentral.com/ | 20:17 |
| xnt14 | voice | 20:18 |
| lcuk2 | We are happy to announce the launch of Google Voice, the next version of GrandCentral. | 20:18 |
| lcuk2 | i had a grandcentral account last year | 20:18 |
| lcuk2 | damn thing is US only | 20:18 |
| xnt14 | lcuk, where are you? | 20:18 |
| lcuk2 | not in US | 20:18 |
| xnt14 | uk? | 20:18 |
| xnt14 | :/ | 20:18 |
| xnt14 | well, i wanted google voice for a loooooooooooong time | 20:19 |
| lcuk2 | shoulda said | 20:19 |
| lcuk2 | ive had invites forever i think | 20:19 |
| xnt14 | so you sent me one? | 20:19 |
| lcuk2 | no you never asked | 20:19 |
| Macer | Google Voice: Coming soon | 20:19 |
| xnt14 | I wonder then who sent me one | 20:19 |
| Macer | lol | 20:19 |
| Macer | if you have a google acct you can just login to google voice | 20:20 |
| Macer | but it isn't out yet... VAPORWARE! | 20:20 |
| Macer | lol | 20:20 |
| xnt14 | no, i've tried, before, it won't let you unless you have a acc at voice | 20:20 |
| xnt14 | nope its real | 20:20 |
| xnt14 | not vaporware, it works ;) | 20:20 |
| lcuk2 | Macer, there were good reports of it last year when first announced | 20:21 |
| lcuk2 | it operates via us call stuff tho cso its recipient pays or something | 20:21 |
| Macer | so it is like | 20:21 |
| Macer | the gay skype crap on the g1? | 20:21 |
| lcuk2 | i dunno i havent got a gay g1 | 20:22 |
| Macer | where you have a call forwarded through another number that wastes skype credits and minutes? | 20:22 |
| Macer | heh | 20:22 |
| javispedro | so now it will ever get outside the US then | 20:22 |
| javispedro | s/now/no way/ | 20:22 |
| infobot | javispedro meant: so no way it will ever get outside the US then | 20:22 |
| lcuk2 | javispedro, dunno | 20:22 |
| Macer | haha | 20:22 |
| lcuk2 | but thats a common thing for phone service ideas | 20:22 |
| Macer | skype is international | 20:22 |
| lcuk2 | skype is, but thats a different thing | 20:23 |
| lcuk2 | grandcentral is tied to proper phones | 20:23 |
| Macer | it's great if you get the GE phones that have the network base | 20:23 |
| lcuk2 | its lawnmower man scenario | 20:23 |
| Macer | tied to proper phones? | 20:23 |
| lcuk2 | all your phones ring at once i believe | 20:23 |
| Macer | so does skype | 20:23 |
| lcuk2 | yeah cell+land+sip | 20:23 |
| Macer | heh | 20:23 |
| Macer | they all ring at once too | 20:23 |
| * lcuk2 shrugs | 20:24 | |
| Macer | it's the same thing :) | 20:24 |
| Macer | i'm suprised google just didn't buy skype | 20:24 |
| Macer | maybe that's what they are doing | 20:24 |
| Macer | heh | 20:24 |
| lcuk2 | so i can have someone call my regular phone number and pickup from wifi computer? | 20:24 |
| Macer | "coming soon.. once our hostile takeover of skype is complete" | 20:24 |
| Macer | yup | 20:24 |
| Macer | or | 20:24 |
| Macer | a skype wifi phone | 20:24 |
| Macer | or... the skype phones with the network base (whcih are the best solution) | 20:25 |
| Macer | or an n800 :) | 20:25 |
| Macer | etc | 20:25 |
| lcuk2 | i know theres skype out, but didnt realise i could get calls back into it using my # | 20:25 |
| * lcuk2 is suddenly a bit more interested | 20:25 | |
| Macer | well. you are issued a phone number | 20:25 |
| lcuk2 | ahh | 20:25 |
| Macer | i don't think you can keep the one you have | 20:25 |
| Macer | but it works for land line calling | 20:26 |
| Macer | i've had my skype # for over a year | 20:26 |
| Macer | heh | 20:26 |
| Macer | @ $3/month you can't go wrong | 20:26 |
| lcuk2 | does your regular house phone ring though if someone skypes you? | 20:26 |
| lcuk2 | ie proper true landline | 20:26 |
| Macer | er... no. it's voip | 20:26 |
| Macer | but | 20:26 |
| Macer | i only have skype phones | 20:26 |
| lcuk2 | thats not hte same then at all | 20:27 |
| lcuk2 | thats just a sipphone | 20:27 |
| Macer | well.. skype doesn't use sip afaik | 20:27 |
| lcuk2 | same principle | 20:27 |
| Macer | but i'd say it's more voip ;) | 20:27 |
| Macer | well.. i don't believe in old crusty copper wires anymore | 20:27 |
| Macer | i am going to have them ripped out of my house | 20:27 |
| lcuk2 | i do :) | 20:27 |
| javispedro | at least here they allow to forward calls to a landline phone | 20:27 |
| Macer | hehe | 20:27 |
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| Macer | javispedro: yeah. they do that here too | 20:28 |
| lcuk2 | i want a phone that will work without computers or electricity | 20:28 |
| lcuk2 | something where the other end powers it ;) | 20:28 |
| Macer | lcuk2: hahaha | 20:28 |
| Macer | lcuk2: i see | 20:28 |
| Macer | as the amish do :) | 20:28 |
| javispedro | good luck finding it lcuk2 :) | 20:28 |
| lcuk2 | javispedro, i have one | 20:28 |
| lcuk2 | have done for years | 20:28 |
| Macer | javispedro: normal land lines do that | 20:28 |
| javispedro | I know | 20:28 |
| Macer | lcuk2: just install a small solar panel | 20:28 |
| javispedro | but even the cheapest phones I could find already have their own chargers and all that | 20:28 |
| Macer | lol | 20:28 |
| Macer | i'm sure that can handle keeping the phones gonig | 20:29 |
| Macer | javispedro: you have to go old school | 20:29 |
| Macer | get a rotary phone | 20:29 |
| Macer | :) | 20:29 |
| lcuk2 | javispedro, no good having a charger to the handset if the base station has no power | 20:29 |
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| javispedro | lcuk2: its even worse. the phone itself does not work it the base station has no power :P | 20:29 |
| lcuk2 | actually you can get phones that do | 20:29 |
| lcuk2 | if the basestation is in range it uses that | 20:30 |
| lcuk2 | otherwise its a mobile | 20:30 |
| slonopotamus | so | 20:30 |
| lcuk2 | think its bt fusion or something | 20:30 |
| Macer | lcuk2: you mean you want a cordless | 20:30 |
| lcuk2 | but my copper based landline is more reliable | 20:30 |
| Macer | that charges off the phone line? | 20:30 |
| lcuk2 | no | 20:30 |
| Macer | oh | 20:30 |
| Macer | i thought that is what you meant | 20:30 |
| Macer | you want like some 1980 phone | 20:30 |
| lcuk2 | no, hardline only | 20:30 |
| Macer | :) | 20:30 |
| Macer | so ... 1980s phone | 20:30 |
| Macer | heh | 20:30 |
| lcuk2 | bakelite ftw | 20:31 |
| Macer | lol | 20:31 |
| Macer | ok.. i'm going to nag these people about when my touch book is going to ship | 20:31 |
| lcuk2 | they should beuild spaceships out of that stuff | 20:31 |
| lcuk2 | its indestructable | 20:31 |
| javispedro | ooh.. rotatory spaceships | 20:31 |
| Macer | "JESUS! All the news articles say JUNE! WTF? Is this a scam?!" | 20:31 |
| Macer | heh | 20:31 |
| lcuk2 | lol | 20:31 |
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| Macer | you have to be weary about companies that use USPS priority | 20:32 |
| Macer | i was in shock when my popcornhour actually showed up | 20:32 |
| Macer | :) | 20:33 |
| lcuk2 | javispedro, i am intruiged by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter | 20:33 |
| Macer | 60 hours without smoking | 20:33 |
| Macer | i think i am doing ok | 20:33 |
| lcuk2 | wasnt it 60hours last night? | 20:33 |
| Macer | i miscounted | 20:34 |
| Macer | :) | 20:34 |
| javispedro | Macer: you're dreaming it all | 20:34 |
| javispedro | now, wake up! | 20:34 |
| Macer | actually. strange thing is that 2 hours of sleep feels like 8 | 20:34 |
| lcuk2 | Macer, you need to relax | 20:34 |
| * lcuk2 crashes the ash | 20:34 | |
| Macer | lol | 20:34 |
| Macer | is this the part where you tell me about the nice.. smooth.. fresh taste of a good cigarette will calm my nerves? | 20:35 |
| lcuk2 | btw Macer when you get past this stage - please dont become a hypocrite and bitch and moan at those smokers you left behind | 20:35 |
| Macer | lcuk2: haha... naw | 20:35 |
| Macer | not that type of person :) | 20:35 |
| lcuk2 | fuck that, they rip your lungs out and cause you to die horrible nasty death eventually | 20:35 |
| Macer | i could care less. i'd be smoking still if they weren't $9 a pack | 20:35 |
| Macer | haha | 20:35 |
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| Macer | over HALF is taxes | 20:36 |
| lcuk2 | worst part is im not joking | 20:36 |
| lcuk2 | i actually dont like smoking | 20:36 |
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| lcuk2 | buy abroad | 20:36 |
| Macer | so i'm just trying to stick it to the man by saving myself from a slow painful death | 20:36 |
| lcuk2 | tho when i went to finland i couldnt get any at the airport | 20:36 |
| lcuk2 | i had to get cigars | 20:36 |
| * lcuk2 throws up | 20:37 | |
| Macer | even if i were to smoke now | 20:37 |
| lcuk2 | im pondering actually doing some work | 20:37 |
| Macer | the chantix is in full effect | 20:37 |
| Macer | lcuk2: don't do it! | 20:37 |
| lcuk2 | well i cant muck about all day | 20:38 |
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| * lcuk2 has seen enough caturday pictures for the week | 20:38 | |
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| javispedro | I believe I rm -rf'ed my "newsletter" when the fourth spam of the day got through... oh well, then so be it | 20:42 |
| javispedro | you know, the nit's blinking blue led can be useful but also annoying | 20:42 |
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| crashanddie_ | Macer, at $9, a lot more than just half is taxes | 20:56 |
| crashanddie_ | Macer, when I'm in the Ukraine, I buy fags at hotels or restaurants for 6 grivna, which is 60p | 20:57 |
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| javispedro | I hate how bugzilla emails _everyone_ even If I fix a one-letter typo | 21:01 |
| javispedro | should learn from wikimedia's "non-important fix" checkbox | 21:01 |
| Macer | er | 21:02 |
| Macer | crashanddie_: a nickel! I QUIT! I open my own hotel now! | 21:02 |
| Macer | :) | 21:02 |
| Macer | 60p? | 21:02 |
| * xnt14 wonders if there is a google voice app for the nit........ | 21:03 | |
| Macer | what is that in $? like 1.25? | 21:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Macer: that creepy italian guy was hilarious | 21:03 |
| Macer | qwerty12_N810: haha | 21:03 |
| Macer | that movie was classic | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | xnt14: dialcentral? maybe | 21:03 |
| Macer | scottie doesn't know! | 21:03 |
| xnt14 | ok, ill check, opening app manger ;) | 21:03 |
| xnt14 | :) | 21:04 |
| Macer | the dude they got to play his best friend though.. he reminded me of (can't remember hsi name) the guy that did al the movies with chris farley | 21:04 |
| Macer | spader? | 21:04 |
| Macer | i'm wondering how long i'm supposed to feel this nicotine withdrawal | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | long | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:05 |
| Macer | 2 days and it is supposed to be out of my system.. so i'm past that | 21:05 |
| xnt14 | "dial central successfully installed" ~ App Manager | :) | 21:05 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: the rest of my life? like a crack addict? :) | 21:05 |
| xnt14 | o.0 | 21:05 |
| xnt14 | looks awesome already | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: the psychological part will be there very long :P | 21:05 |
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| Macer | oh | 21:06 |
| Macer | i'm not worried about the psychological part :) | 21:06 |
| Macer | i don't believe in it | 21:07 |
| Jaffa | lcuk2: pong | 21:07 |
| RST38h | EHLO ALL | 21:07 |
| Macer | i am still feeling the physical parts | 21:07 |
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| Macer | the chantix kept it in check slightly but it's still pretty bad | 21:08 |
| Macer | i guess it's like using a patch in reverse | 21:09 |
| xnt14 | I just texted "i'm bored" to my friend via text message from my nit xd | 21:09 |
| Macer | instead of giving you nicotine.. it blocks it :) | 21:09 |
| xnt14 | now it feels like a cellphone o.0 | 21:09 |
| Macer | or at least that's what they said. i don't want to smoke a cigarette to find out haha | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | xnt14: with dialcentral? | 21:09 |
| Macer | xnt14: lol | 21:09 |
| xnt14 | yup | 21:10 |
| xnt14 | :P | 21:10 |
| xnt14 | I just want background push style notifications of a text when it comes in, but on my nit or ipod, not my phone, (im on prepaid) | 21:11 |
| * xnt14 loves google voice xD | 21:11 | |
| * xnt14 has already sent 47 text messages from his google voice account xDDD | 21:12 | |
| xnt14 | and I usually don't text lol | 21:12 |
| javispedro | waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah xnt14 | 21:13 |
| xnt14 | xD | 21:14 |
| xnt14 | hell, I need some cash in my itunes acc, I need a gvoice app for my ipod............. | 21:14 |
| * xnt14 can't wait until gvoice has an api................... | 21:15 | |
| lcuk2 | the more dots you put there, the greater chance pacman will come and eat you | 21:15 |
| lcuk2 | and since pacman has no arms, he can't code | 21:15 |
| xnt14 | :P | 21:16 |
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| Luke-Jr | xnt14: never? | 21:22 |
| Luke-Jr | would be nice if the SMS feature could pass the message over XMPP ;) | 21:23 |
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| xnt14 | :) | 21:26 |
| xnt14 | :):):) http://posttopic.com/topic/google-voice-add-on-development | 21:26 |
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| Luke-Jr | xnt14: that only works in a browser | 21:30 |
| xnt14 | wget https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/downloads/file/56841/google_voice_add-on_for_firefox-0.2.0b4-fx.xpi?confirmed | 21:30 |
| xnt14 | oh crap | 21:30 |
| xnt14 | wrong window | 21:30 |
| xnt14 | ah well | 21:30 |
| javispedro | exit | 21:30 |
| xnt14 | let me try | 21:30 |
| Luke-Jr | Google has actively prevented automation | 21:30 |
| xnt14 | I just want a cmdline util to call my dad :P | 21:30 |
| Luke-Jr | xnt14: could've done that a month or 2 ago | 21:31 |
| Luke-Jr | but Google blocked it | 21:31 |
| lcuk2 | i can actually imagine your dad trying to decipher your l33t speak down the phone to him | 21:31 |
| lcuk2 | in the end he will give up and call you downstairs for breakfast | 21:31 |
| Luke-Jr | … | 21:31 |
| javispedro | xnt14: if you're minor, just mail a government official with random insults? 100% guaranteed they'll eventually call your father after torturing you | 21:31 |
| Luke-Jr | LOL | 21:31 |
| xnt14 | ... | 21:32 |
| xnt14 | okay........ | 21:32 |
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| xnt14 | lcuk, I don't speak leetspeak..... | 21:32 |
| johnsq | Hi | 21:32 |
| xnt14 | luke-jr, curl? will that work? | 21:32 |
| xnt14 | :P | 21:32 |
| Luke-Jr | xnt14: doubt it | 21:33 |
| Luke-Jr | Google wants to prevent i | 21:33 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: arm qemu working? I compiled it on amd64 without problem static | 21:33 |
| xnt14 | don't kill me b/c its ff, but https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/11167 | 21:33 |
| xnt14 | im dissecting it | 21:33 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, it doesn't link | 21:33 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, i strictly followed your instructions | 21:33 |
| javispedro | waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah | 21:34 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, can you upload static binary somewhere? | 21:34 |
| lcuk2 | xnt14, pssst, if you rename the xpi file to .zip i think it extracts ;) | 21:34 |
| xnt14 | wait if google blocked it, then how does dialcentral work? | 21:34 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: gcc version 4.3.3 (Gentoo 4.3.3-r2 p1.2, pie-10.1.5), yes i can | 21:34 |
| lcuk2 | and they left the source codes in there :O dont tell anyone | 21:34 |
| xnt14 | lcuk2, I know, i've been dissecting xpi's for a while | 21:34 |
| johnsq | I must first rebuild it, haven't stored the USE=static | 21:35 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, it is in your chroot! | 21:36 |
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| johnsq | slonopotamus: there is still the 32 bit version | 21:36 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, does it matter? | 21:36 |
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| xnt14 | hmm | 21:37 |
| xnt14 | " txtr.setRequestHeader('Referer', 'https://www.google.com/voice/#inbox'); | 21:37 |
| xnt14 | " | 21:37 |
| xnt14 | :) | 21:37 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: don't know, if i need for static 32bit bins an emulator | 21:37 |
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| johnsq | slonopotamus: http://www.goron.de/~johns/n810/qemu-arm | 21:39 |
| Luke-Jr | XD | 21:39 |
| RST38h | And now, our usual quiz | 21:40 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, hnx | 21:40 |
| RST38h | "Omar, 28, describes weeping as a teenager when told that Al Qaeda needed his pet dogs to conduct chemical warfare tests." | 21:40 |
| RST38h | Guess who Omar is | 21:40 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: good that i wrote the howto, i could use it again. | 21:40 |
| xnt14 | WTF, I HATE WEATHER.COM, obnoxious flash ads....... | 21:41 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, yep. memory likes to do various tricks to us. better log everything :) | 21:41 |
| xnt14 | ... | 21:43 |
| xnt14 | [xnt14]>(0.0)=(:)-{====>*(weather.com ads)* | 21:44 |
| xnt14 | burn weather.com!!!!!!! | 21:45 |
| xnt14 | *ads | 21:45 |
| xnt14 | burn weather.com ads!!!!!!! | 21:45 |
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| RST38h | Why not use AdBlock+? | 21:45 |
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| * xnt14 hates epiphany | 21:46 | |
| xnt14 | im on my debian box | 21:46 |
| RST38h | and? | 21:46 |
| xnt14 | my xps is at work | 21:46 |
| xnt14 | nvm | 21:46 |
| xnt14 | rss ftw! | 21:46 |
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| xnt14 | http://rss.weather.com/weather/rss/local/10956?cm_ven=LWO&cm_cat=rss&par=LWO_rss | 21:47 |
| xnt14 | :P | 21:47 |
| xnt14 | wait... | 21:48 |
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| xnt14 | that did not just have my areacode in it................................... | 21:49 |
| xnt14 | err | 21:49 |
| xnt14 | zipcode.... | 21:49 |
| * xnt14 's brain is thinking too much gvoice xD | 21:49 | |
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| * xnt14 wishes that gvoice was open source............ | 21:50 | |
| * javispedro wishes open voice was avalaible worldwide.............. | 21:50 | |
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| xnt14 | ROFL: http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20090711/172891/ | 21:52 |
| xnt14 | err | 21:53 |
| xnt14 | http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/11/keepin-it-real-fake-part-ccxxii-looks-like-wefound-a-total/ | 21:53 |
| RST38h | looks good, probably worth buying | 21:53 |
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| xnt14 | well | 21:54 |
| xnt14 | i personally hate most chinese interfaces | 21:54 |
| xnt14 | no usability...... | 21:54 |
| RST38h | ah, that is what we have Ukrainians for | 21:55 |
| xnt14 | IE FAIL: http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/microsofts-gazelle-browser-detailed-its-more-of-a-researc/ | 21:55 |
| RST38h | they rewrite the firmware for these ebooks and resell them | 21:55 |
| xnt14 | it would probably be worse then ie | 21:55 |
| xnt14 | RST38H, yeah..... | 21:56 |
| xnt14 | "Gazelle breaks individual page elements into different processes | 21:56 |
| xnt14 | " | 21:56 |
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| xnt14 | fail | 21:56 |
| xnt14 | page elements? | 21:56 |
| xnt14 | yup | 21:57 |
| xnt14 | fail | 21:57 |
| RST38h | ... | 22:00 |
| RST38h | > ah, that is what we have Ukrainians for | 22:00 |
| RST38h | <xnt14> IE FAIL: | 22:00 |
| RST38h | shit, I hate Linux copy&paste | 22:00 |
| RST38h | http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-hotel-prank-070809,0,5685745.story | 22:00 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, fix it and stop moaning | 22:00 |
| xnt14 | noooo: http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/googles-schmidt-initially-opposed-to-chrome-says-microsoft-is/ | 22:01 |
| xnt14 | i would be more happy with chrome than ie..... | 22:01 |
| xnt14 | and then I would have 490 people calling me to help them install ie on there chrome os........ | 22:02 |
| javispedro | so they admit they're having an "evil" moment... | 22:02 |
| javispedro | the problem with hildonization is unhildonization | 22:04 |
| javispedro | or, in this case, de-sugarization | 22:04 |
| ShadowJK | I heard eric schmidt on the radio. He said they only consider the evil bit if an employee brings it up | 22:05 |
| Macer | this atom is a lot hotter than promised | 22:05 |
| ShadowJK | not exactly in those words, but yeah | 22:05 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: were you the one talking about the touchbook vaporware? | 22:06 |
| ShadowJK | Macer, well, the cheap atoms eat 4W or 8W, and are coupled with a northbridge chipset eating 22W | 22:06 |
| ShadowJK | Macer, talking? well I want one? | 22:06 |
| Macer | well. that explains it | 22:06 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: i pre-ordered one :) | 22:06 |
| Macer | lol | 22:06 |
| Macer | they "are supposed to ship this month" | 22:06 |
| ShadowJK | I think I said I'll be waiting for it to exit the vaporware phase :) | 22:06 |
| Macer | like they were in june | 22:06 |
| Macer | and may | 22:06 |
| Macer | lol | 22:07 |
| Macer | so maybe this is the month! | 22:07 |
| ShadowJK | around christmas they were saying "early summer" | 22:07 |
| Macer | well. i guess it's mid summer | 22:07 |
| ShadowJK | They might even have said 2009, but I'm not sure | 22:07 |
| Macer | haha | 22:07 |
| Macer | well. we shall see. i already have mine on order | 22:07 |
| Macer | i'll let you know if it ever gets here | 22:07 |
| Macer | i thought it was funny because the 3d demo they used | 22:07 |
| Macer | was running angstrom :) | 22:08 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah, they're basing their "revolutionary OS" on angstrom | 22:08 |
| Macer | mandriva it says | 22:08 |
| RST38h | slonopotamus: I am choosing the easy way out: WinXP. | 22:08 |
| Macer | the videos i saw run gnome when attached to the keyboard | 22:08 |
| Macer | and run some touch based stuff when detatched | 22:09 |
| RST38h | moo ShadowJK | 22:09 |
| Macer | which acutally looks kind of nice but i'll judge it when i use it | 22:09 |
| Macer | it might wind up being another maemo | 22:09 |
| * Macer grins | 22:09 | |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, then still, stop moaning :) we'll laugh at you when m$ stops supporting xp | 22:09 |
| ShadowJK | surely it'll be able to run mer :) | 22:09 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: oh.. i'm sure | 22:09 |
| Macer | it can run a bunch of arm based distributions.. i was hoping that the arm opensolaris would be done some time soon | 22:10 |
| Macer | i'd love to run opensolaris on it | 22:10 |
| Macer | but then again i'd also like to run debian just to encrypt the lvm during the install :) | 22:10 |
| * RST38h isn't getting the reason for running solaris | 22:10 | |
| Macer | RST38h: it's like runnign linux except you have zfs | 22:10 |
| Macer | haha | 22:10 |
| RST38h | Oh | 22:11 |
| Macer | that was a horrible statement | 22:11 |
| Macer | don't ever let anybody ever know i said that | 22:11 |
| Macer | once you get past the learning curve it is pretty good | 22:11 |
| javispedro | like finding & relearning "top" again :) | 22:11 |
| Macer | minus gnome :-\ what is it with people and using gnome? | 22:11 |
| Macer | yeah | 22:11 |
| Macer | like instead of -d <seconds> | 22:11 |
| ShadowJK | I think I've had enough of sun :) | 22:11 |
| Macer | it's -s <seconds> | 22:11 |
| Macer | heh | 22:12 |
| RST38h | I hope you are using OpenLook WM | 22:12 |
| johnsq | Macer: linux is only a clone of unix. this is why it is very equal | 22:12 |
| * ShadowJK looks at his pile of Sun | 22:12 | |
| crashanddie_ | RST38h, solaris has a lot of advantages, opensolaris less so | 22:12 |
| crashanddie_ | RST38h, one I use a whole lot: solaris zones | 22:12 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: you have sparcs lying around? | 22:12 |
| Macer | send me a few :) | 22:12 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: When I tried using it on x86 last time, it was slow | 22:12 |
| crashanddie_ | RST38h, couldn't tell ya, only use solaris on sparc | 22:12 |
| Macer | RST38h: heh. it is not slow at all | 22:12 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: Heard they have fixed it, but it lost relevance by then | 22:12 |
| Macer | er.. RST38h i mean | 22:12 |
| Macer | it's great | 22:13 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: Yea, it is pretty nice on a SpARC :) | 22:13 |
| ShadowJK | Sparcstation 5 with hypersparc CPU @ 233Mhz (iirc), 180-ish meg ram and two scsi disks (but one is dying). cgsix graphics. | 22:13 |
| Macer | plus it has just the right amount of complication that forces typical ubuntu linux users to stay away | 22:13 |
| Macer | :) | 22:13 |
| javispedro | haha | 22:13 |
| ShadowJK | Netra T105, 384M ram, 400ish MHz CPU. Tripple NICs, two 9-ish gig harddrives. | 22:13 |
| Macer | "why can't i apt-get in OSOL??" | 22:13 |
| crashanddie_ | just tell an ubuntu user about raw and cooked partitions, and they'll pull their hairs out | 22:13 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: sounds like a beast | 22:14 |
| ShadowJK | Sun Blade 150 (iirc), 1.5gig ram and 800-ish MHz CPU. Some wildcat-based CPU. | 22:14 |
| Macer | crashanddie_: i tell them to go back to ubuntu :) | 22:14 |
| Macer | honestly i think gentoo is probably the best linux to use from a "learning" perspective | 22:14 |
| crashanddie_ | disclaimer: I'm running ubuntu on my personal laptop | 22:14 |
| Macer | just because of the install process haha.. it's horrible | 22:14 |
| Macer | crashanddie_: oh there's nothing wrong with ubuntu | 22:14 |
| Macer | it's just that you get a bunch of windows users that swap over because it is the easy one | 22:15 |
| Macer | and start asking stuff like "can i install ms office in ubuntu??" | 22:15 |
| ShadowJK | I run NetBSD on Netra and sparcstation. I ran Solaris first on the blade and tried to make pkgsrc work there, but it was kinda getting old working around Solaris peculiarities :) | 22:15 |
| ShadowJK | so I switched to FreeBSD on it | 22:15 |
| javispedro | beat this: wc -l /proc/cpuinfo .... 2304 | 22:15 |
| RST38h | Cheertek 909K, 64M ram, 2x175MHz CPU, DVD drive | 22:15 |
| Macer | fbsd 7.1 has zfs | 22:15 |
| Macer | which is nice | 22:15 |
| Macer | too bad i ditched linux and fbsd for opensolaris just because the lack of a good fs | 22:16 |
| RST38h | Faster than SPARC5 too =) | 22:16 |
| Macer | ufs and ext have hard times dealing with large volumes | 22:16 |
| Macer | honestly i don't even know why i installed opensolaris on my artigo (C7 1GHz w/1GB) | 22:17 |
| Macer | heh | 22:17 |
| Macer | i think i did it just for testing purposes to see if it would work and just left it there | 22:17 |
| ShadowJK | i used to run xfs | 22:17 |
| Macer | heh | 22:17 |
| Macer | xfs was supposed to be ok but i never used it | 22:17 |
| Macer | i know trying to partition and format an 8TB raid was a pain with anything other than zfs | 22:18 |
| RST38h | Ok, back to work. | 22:18 |
| Macer | RST38h: yeah right | 22:18 |
| Macer | we all know you're unemployed | 22:18 |
| Macer | you can't count looking for a new job as "work" | 22:18 |
| RST38h | Yes, was just going out to visit a dumpster | 22:18 |
| Macer | oh | 22:18 |
| Macer | ok then never mind | 22:18 |
| RST38h | People find real good stuff there | 22:18 |
| Macer | i guess that qualifies | 22:19 |
| Macer | :) | 22:19 |
| RST38h | For example: Cops Dumpster Dive For Dead Maid | 22:19 |
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| Macer | you're making me want to watch hackers | 22:20 |
| Macer | from the technical standpoint it was idiotic but it was still rather entertaining | 22:20 |
| Macer | a ceo being told by a network admin to be called plague hahaha | 22:21 |
| Macer | and the best part was the jacob's ladder producing gibson | 22:21 |
| Macer | with its 3D os | 22:21 |
| locutus | i still love the line from Jurrasic Parc | 22:22 |
| locutus | "I KNOW THIS, IT IS UNIX" | 22:22 |
| Macer | hahaha | 22:22 |
| locutus | (nevermind that the machine you actually see in the movie is not a UNIX machine) | 22:22 |
| Macer | yeah that was pretty comical too | 22:22 |
| Macer | damn i hope this touch book like ships this week or something | 22:23 |
| Macer | that would be so great | 22:23 |
| javispedro | you're still on that dream | 22:23 |
| Macer | yeah :-\ | 22:23 |
| * ShadowJK has little faith in RAID | 22:23 | |
| ShadowJK | the recent seagate firmware fubar was a real killer of RAIDs :) | 22:24 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: yeah i saw that haha | 22:25 |
| Macer | that was pretty bad | 22:25 |
| Macer | they said it was firmware | 22:25 |
| Macer | i've honestly never updated hard drive firmware before :) | 22:25 |
| Macer | they said you can "update your hard drive firmware" | 22:25 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah | 22:25 |
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| Macer | haha | 22:25 |
| Macer | wtf? | 22:26 |
| ShadowJK | it's actually in the SATA/ATA spec :) | 22:26 |
| javispedro | it's a common euphemism for "you delete all your data and just hope it never happens again" | 22:26 |
| Macer | javispedro: yeah | 22:26 |
| Macer | hahhaha.. that's wha ti meant | 22:26 |
| Macer | i wonder if they even said "try to get what you can off the drive now!!" | 22:26 |
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| Macer | that is somethign i'd expect from maxtor | 22:27 |
| Macer | wait a second... did seagate buy maxtor? | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 22:27 |
| Macer | there you go | 22:27 |
| javispedro | yes, effectively merging my ex-most beloved hdd maker and my most hated hdd maker | 22:27 |
| Macer | case closed :) | 22:27 |
| Macer | i will bet anybody here money that the tainted hard drives came from a maxtor plant :) | 22:27 |
| Macer | heh | 22:27 |
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| ShadowJK | harddrives these days have dual ARM CPUs :) | 22:28 |
| javispedro | ooh... Mer for HDDs? :D | 22:29 |
| Luke-Jr | ShadowJK: seriously? | 22:29 |
| Macer | haha | 22:29 |
| Macer | just use an omap3 with the gpu attached to a hd | 22:30 |
| Macer | :) | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: "using a raid to crack DES" | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | (with no cpu usage on the computer) | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:30 |
| Macer | haha | 22:30 |
| Macer | are there any cell based user grade servers around? | 22:31 |
| ShadowJK | Luke-Jr, yes | 22:31 |
| Macer | the only one i saw was like... an ibm server that was $10K | 22:31 |
| suihkulokki | if you have a real hw raid controller, it too usually has a ARM cpu :) | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: playstation 3? :P | 22:31 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: they limit the access to the hardware | 22:31 |
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| Macer | which realistically.. the ps3 would go as fast as the $10K ibm server | 22:31 |
| Macer | so i guess i can see why :) | 22:32 |
| Macer | suihkulokki: mine has an intel cpu | 22:32 |
| Macer | (i think) | 22:32 |
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| suihkulokki | Macer: which one? | 22:32 |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: I think someone has a Cell laptop | 22:32 |
| Macer | areca arc1120 | 22:32 |
| Macer | Luke-Jr: lol | 22:33 |
| Macer | touchbook is using cell now instead of arm? :) | 22:33 |
| * Macer goes to preorder another oen | 22:33 | |
| Macer | oen | 22:33 |
| Macer | wtf.. O N E | 22:33 |
| Luke-Jr | FAIL | 22:33 |
| javispedro | mysqlf | 22:33 |
| javispedro | you see | 22:33 |
| Macer | Luke-Jr: i already preordered a touch book | 22:33 |
| javispedro | when I've spent half of my life typing "mysql" | 22:33 |
| javispedro | everytime I try to type mysqlf I type mysqlf | 22:33 |
| Macer | it gives me something else to yearn for other than the cigarettes i haven't smoked in 3 days | 22:34 |
| javispedro | s/mysqlf/myself/ | 22:34 |
| infobot | javispedro meant: everytime I try to type myself I type mysqlf | 22:34 |
| javispedro | which is pretty lame | 22:34 |
| Luke-Jr | http://gizmodo.com/5025238/toshiba-qosmio-g55-is-first-laptop-with-cell-processor-aboard | 22:34 |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: FAIL | 22:34 |
| Macer | damnit! | 22:34 |
| Macer | :) i'd have gotten that one | 22:34 |
| Macer | haha | 22:34 |
| Macer | scrwe it. i have money. i'll just have both | 22:34 |
| Macer | with the macbook and the aspire one | 22:34 |
| * Macer hordes all the laptops he can for armegeddon | 22:34 | |
| suihkulokki | Macer: that has intels IOP331, which is xscale-based :) | 22:35 |
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| Macer | Luke-Jr: that laptop | 22:37 |
| Macer | it has a core2duo AND the quad core cell? | 22:37 |
| Macer | they make it sound like the cells are just co-processors | 22:37 |
| suihkulokki | Macer: IOP331 is supported by linux, and some of those pins of the areca are most likely a serial port ;) | 22:37 |
| Macer | suihkulokki: heh.. so i should start using it as another core? | 22:38 |
| Macer | Through the addition of the TOSHIBA Quad Core HD Processor, along with the combined strength of Intel's latest Core(TM) 2 Duo processor(1) technology and the NVIDIA GeForce(R) 9600M(2) GT graphics card, tasks that once took hours to complete now are accomplished in a fraction of the time with Toshiba's Qosmio(R) G55-Q802 laptop PC. | 22:38 |
| Macer | wow that is a beast :) | 22:39 |
| Macer | have to hand it to toshiba on that one. they are making something worth the $1300 | 22:39 |
| Macer | as long as it works the way it is supposed to | 22:39 |
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| Macer | oh. the one with teh cells costs 1550 | 22:43 |
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| Luke-Jr | Macer: cells *are* just co-processors | 22:49 |
| Macer | damn. i didn't think about that | 22:50 |
| Macer | ps3's main cpu is like.. a ppc or something isn't it? | 22:50 |
| xnt14 | yup | 22:51 |
| xnt14 | ppc64 | 22:51 |
| johnsq | dual core | 22:51 |
| xnt14 | brb - going to mow the lawn | 22:51 |
| Macer | doesn't linux run like crap on it? | 22:51 |
| xnt14 | not exactly | 22:51 |
| Macer | it's like running it in a vm isn't it? | 22:51 |
| xnt14 | its like linux with no 3d acceleration | 22:51 |
| xnt14 | no gpu access | 22:52 |
| xnt14 | nop | 22:52 |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: if you run Linux in a VM, yes | 22:52 |
| xnt14 | nope | 22:52 |
| Macer | why not? | 22:52 |
| xnt14 | well | 22:52 |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: Sony's official Linux support is only in their VM | 22:52 |
| Macer | it literally uses a vm? :) | 22:52 |
| xnt14 | technically it runs linux in a hypervisor | 22:52 |
| Luke-Jr | Sony doesn't support running Linux on the raw machine | 22:52 |
| Macer | oh | 22:52 |
| xnt14 | but it doesn't feel like a vm | 22:52 |
| Macer | well.. that sucks haha | 22:52 |
| xnt14 | i own a ps3 | 22:52 |
| xnt14 | gentoo runs fine on mine | 22:52 |
| xnt14 | ok guys brb, going to mow the lawn | 22:53 |
| Macer | hm | 22:53 |
| Macer | i doubt there is any stuff that is well optimized for usin ga cell anyways | 22:53 |
| Macer | toshiba listed uleads dvd somethinganother | 22:53 |
| Luke-Jr | I think someone started on a Cell software 3D engine | 22:53 |
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