| MoonTiger | boo! | 00:00 |
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| Jaffa | andre__: Computers *definitely* suck. Yesterday & today (getting back to my laptop after a week), has been 'orrible | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps | evening MoonTiger | 00:00 |
| lcuk | :) Jaffa | 00:00 |
| MoonTiger | evening :) | 00:00 |
| * lcuk hates them too | 00:00 | |
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| lcuk | hiya MoonTiger \o | 00:00 |
| MoonTiger | Stskeeps, is there a version of mer i can run yet? | 00:00 |
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| MoonTiger | hey lcuk :) | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps | MoonTiger: define run ;) | 00:01 |
| MoonTiger | hahaha ok thats all i needed to know :) | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | MoonTiger: some people run it day to day | 00:01 |
| MoonTiger | when d'ya think it might be? | 00:01 |
| lcuk | mer_install.exe something you can run from vista :D | 00:01 |
| * MoonTiger slaps lcuk | 00:02 | |
| * lcuk likes it | 00:02 | |
| MoonTiger | doh! | 00:02 |
| * lcuk offers you a Windows 7 patch | 00:02 | |
| luke-jr | lcuk: fail | 00:02 |
| * MoonTiger runs and programs linux thnx very much | 00:02 | |
| lcuk | i win actually now | 00:02 |
| andre__ | ...and Stskeeps could finally finance his studies by including some malware in the mer_install.exe | 00:02 |
| MoonTiger | although this .NET project ive been doing is killing me | 00:02 |
| MoonTiger | :( | 00:02 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: cant' win if you use Windows | 00:02 |
| MoonTiger | Stskeeps, is there any non-rocket science programming i could do to help? | 00:03 |
| lcuk | :) luke-jr actually you can, linux has a lot to learn from windows | 00:03 |
| Stskeeps | MoonTiger: plenty, http://guest:guest@trac.tspre.org:9010 , glance at backlog | 00:03 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: Linux is superior to Windows in every way | 00:03 |
| lcuk | never said it wasnt - but linux is lacking in many respects | 00:04 |
| luke-jr | nope | 00:04 |
| luke-jr | and that was self-contradictatory | 00:04 |
| lcuk | i can have a super car that does 300mph which is better than a volvo | 00:04 |
| lcuk | but the supercar can still learn valuable lessons from the volvo | 00:04 |
| Stskeeps | MoonTiger: you can also try out the VMDK and you'll definately see areas of improvement.. if you're a gtk wiz, that helps too :P | 00:04 |
| MoonTiger | Stskeeps, im ok -ish with gtk ... learning ... and willing to try to help but dont want to promise anything i cant deliver | 00:05 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 00:05 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: Windows has no purpose | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | we just say initially 3 days timeboxing for a task, with possibility of extending 2 days at per click :) | 00:06 |
| Proteous | ... | 00:06 |
| luke-jr | MoonTiger: GTK is fail too | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | so you take things in your own temper | 00:06 |
| luke-jr | MoonTiger: learn Qt4 | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | MoonTiger: feel free to hang in #mer too if you're bored :) | 00:06 |
| lcuk | luke-jr :) | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | (we're quite a few peeps by now) | 00:06 |
| MoonTiger | luke-jr, gtk is ok ... its the supported toolkit for maemo right now | 00:06 |
| luke-jr | MoonTiger: I refuse to run anything GTK | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | or gconf, for that sake | 00:06 |
| luke-jr | MoonTiger: even Maemo is moving to Qt | 00:07 |
| MoonTiger | luke-jr, all toolkits have fails in certain areas | 00:07 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr's like a open source monk | 00:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:07 |
| luke-jr | MoonTiger: GTK has no benefits over Qt | 00:07 |
| MoonTiger | luke-jr, i didnt say it has ... i just said none of them are perfect or even close | 00:07 |
| lcuk | yes it does: C | 00:07 |
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| luke-jr | MoonTiger: my point is you should learn and use Qt ;) | 00:08 |
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| luke-jr | lcuk: Qt is backward compatible with C | 00:08 |
| Proteous | I think luke-jr is a troll | 00:08 |
| MoonTiger | luke-jr, i already do some simple qt stuff thnx and i like the toolkit | 00:08 |
| nomis | "backward compatible with C"? Huh? | 00:08 |
| MoonTiger | nomis, i was wondering that too | 00:08 |
| Stskeeps | Proteous: he is, he should spend more time coding | 00:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:09 |
| Proteous | heh | 00:09 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: I should. :þ | 00:09 |
| lcuk | i read that as coloring | 00:09 |
| lcuk | hes about that age | 00:09 |
| MoonTiger | rofl | 00:09 |
| * luke-jr ponders lcuk's age | 00:09 | |
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| lcuk | dont ponder, its public knowledge :) | 00:09 |
| luke-jr | my age happens to have just incremented today | 00:10 |
| * Proteous bakes luke-jr a cake | 00:10 | |
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| nomis | luke-jr: may you gain wisdom :) | 00:10 |
| lcuk | and chinfluff | 00:10 |
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| MoonTiger | Stskeeps, is there a version i can run ...on a vm or something? | 00:12 |
| Stskeeps | MoonTiger: yup | 00:12 |
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| MoonTiger | where would i find that? | 00:12 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.13 - it runs in VirtualBox, VMware, etc :) | 00:12 |
| Stskeeps | full x86 version | 00:13 |
| Stskeeps | so you can develop straight on your pc and when done, just send it to our builders and it'll sort out the ARM porting for you :P | 00:14 |
| MoonTiger | that sounds nice | 00:14 |
| MoonTiger | to play with and get a bit comfy with i mean | 00:14 |
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| Stskeeps | much saner than maemo development, in my personal completely biased opinion | 00:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:14 |
| glass | hehe | 00:15 |
| kkrusty | has anyone had luck with emacs+tramp for maemo? | 00:15 |
| glass | but yeah sounds quite nice | 00:15 |
| MoonTiger | lcuk might disagree | 00:15 |
| * lcuk cant wait for apt-get liqbase-playground-dev to take off ;) | 00:15 | |
| Stskeeps | MoonTiger: he can run dpkg-buildpackage on mer on n8x0, i doubt he'd complain | 00:15 |
| lcuk | on device gets easier :) | 00:15 |
| locutus | kkrusty: to unusable on the keyboard imho | 00:15 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i can actually now lol | 00:16 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: insane man | 00:16 |
| kkrusty | locutus: Well Im using emacs+tramp on local machine and accessing files over ssh/rsync | 00:16 |
| lcuk | i removed the autotools stuff tho | 00:16 |
| lcuk | i dont need that | 00:16 |
| kkrusty | locutus: it reads files but doesnt update them with rsync. ssh doesnt work at all | 00:17 |
| fiferboy_n810 | lbt: ping? | 00:17 |
| lcuk | yeah Stskeeps its been a bit of a manic week :$ | 00:17 |
| * lcuk has learnt a lot | 00:17 | |
| kkrusty | locutus: are you using emacs on the tablet? | 00:17 |
| locutus | kkrusty: sometimes over ssh | 00:18 |
| lbt | fiferboy_n810: hi | 00:18 |
| locutus | kkrusty: i find it horrible to use | 00:18 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I can't see how to make espeak use esd | 00:18 |
| kkrusty | locutus: thats brave. | 00:19 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | damn google translates espeak into espeaker | 00:19 |
| locutus | kkrusty: i mostly use it over ssh to quickly read my email and such | 00:19 |
| locutus | kkrusty: and sometimes i try to write replies | 00:19 |
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| kkrusty | I just want to be able to read write source files from my desktop | 00:20 |
| kkrusty | locutus: n810? | 00:20 |
| locutus | yes | 00:20 |
| fiferboy_n810 | lbt: hey, did you test out the virtual func? | 00:20 |
| kkrusty | with wimax? the original kind had a horrible keyboard | 00:20 |
| locutus | the original one | 00:21 |
| lbt | I'm doing it atm... | 00:21 |
| fiferboy_n810 | Cool. How did your changes go? | 00:22 |
| lbt | ugh... but got them done | 00:22 |
| lbt | I wanted to work in pixels but just got lost | 00:22 |
| lbt | my brain can't cope with all the transformations, sign changes and offsets | 00:23 |
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| lcuk | :( lbt, they hurt my brain too lol | 00:23 |
| lbt | but it now has a nice simple accelerate back to the edge | 00:23 |
| lbt | I had an damped oscillation for a while | 00:24 |
| lbt | but it was a bit OTT | 00:24 |
| lcuk | is there a limit to the amount of overrun | 00:24 |
| lcuk | heh | 00:24 |
| lbt | heh, no | 00:24 |
| lcuk | beware then - make max 1 screen or something | 00:24 |
| lbt | you can 'throw' the widget off screen | 00:24 |
| fiferboy_n810 | An overrun limit might be good, maybe half a screen | 00:24 |
| lbt | but it comes back | 00:24 |
| lcuk | otherwise you will have problems with those random misclick events | 00:24 |
| fiferboy_n810 | lbt: I've got to go, but could you send me your changes? | 00:25 |
| lbt | OK | 00:25 |
| fiferboy_n810 | Thanks! | 00:25 |
| Tu13es | is there a good streaming radio app with a list of radio stations? | 00:26 |
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| Noma | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation#N8x0_Install <- should that work properly on n810? | 00:48 |
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| luke-jr | Noma: uh, it IS called N8x0 install.. | 00:58 |
| Noma | yes i know, so it should:) but i think they are fixing something now, i asked the same thing on #mer | 00:59 |
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| kkrusty | I've found sshfs to solve my problem | 01:33 |
| kkrusty | thank you everyone for helping | 01:33 |
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| lcuk | does anybody have diablo scratchbox setup | 02:04 |
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| pupnik | not i | 02:15 |
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| pupnik | why are you building for freemantle? | 02:16 |
| pupnik | is it released? | 02:16 |
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| lcuk | cos thats the only scratchbox i have :$ and i cant install the other one cos im shit | 02:16 |
| lcuk | it fails and i dunno how to fix it | 02:16 |
| lcuk | no, i installed it on the laptop | 02:16 |
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| pupnik | ah | 02:18 |
| pupnik | use vmdk? | 02:18 |
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| Proteous | I'm just waiting for diable3 | 02:19 |
| Proteous | LOOKS SO COOL | 02:19 |
| Proteous | er, Diablo3 | 02:20 |
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| Proteous | although diable is sorta a nifty word | 02:20 |
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| jophish | garr, I can't seem to get the application manager working. It is trying to use the disabled proxy, I've seen this problem before, but wasn't able to find a fix | 02:21 |
| jophish | anybody else had this problem, n810, latest firmware | 02:21 |
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| KamikaziFreak | My n800 recently went into an endless reboot cycle, forcing me to reflash it. Now I'm trying to track down the hack that lets you use the older version of osso-xterm-advanced, with the right side ctrl and other buttons, but can't find it anywhere. Does anyone know about this? | 02:34 |
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| jophish | right it seems I need to install gconf | 02:37 |
| jophish | however I am not root | 02:37 |
| jophish | and cant install anything to become root | 02:38 |
| lcuk | add maemo extras, then install becomeroot or gainroot or whatever root it is | 02:39 |
| jophish | I cant install anything, because the application manager isn't working | 02:39 |
| jophish | and I need root to get it working | 02:39 |
| jophish | according to this: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-07-25.log.html gconf-editor is the thing I need | 02:40 |
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| lcuk | how did you break it ? | 02:40 |
| jophish | brand new | 02:40 |
| jophish | flashed to latest | 02:41 |
| lcuk | restored apps after flash? | 02:41 |
| jophish | nothing to do after flashing, I just got it today | 02:41 |
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| jophish | going to reflash now, just to make sure | 02:41 |
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| lcuk | jophish, check you have proper connectivity | 02:44 |
| lcuk | cos that sounds really screwed | 02:44 |
| jophish | internets working fine | 02:45 |
| jophish | alboet slow | 02:45 |
| jophish | albeit* | 02:45 |
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| lcuk | mmm odd then, its not normal to have to do strange shit to app manager | 02:46 |
| jophish | it is very strange | 02:46 |
| jophish | oh reflashed and the manager is checking for updates | 02:47 |
| jophish | taking a long time, so I suspect it's timing out looking at a 0.0.0.1 proxy | 02:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | keesj, better question, why is an S60 project eating our bandwidth? | 02:49 |
| jophish | lcuk, it is this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=998 | 02:51 |
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| jophish | I don't really understand why I have this problem, I'm using a standard wifi network | 02:59 |
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| jophish | lcuk, I looked at the /system/http_proxy settings in gconftool-2 and use_http_proxy is set to false! | 03:01 |
| lcuk | jophish, :S i dunno whether thats good or bad, its just something new to me to hear about people having this kind of problem | 03:02 |
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| pupnik | i must praise nokia for N810 durability and reliability | 03:08 |
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| luke-jr | pupnik: why? | 03:09 |
| pupnik | i do manage to crash the system every few days though | 03:09 |
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| pupnik | luke-jr, just happy with it. i guess as cell phones go, that is not unusual | 03:09 |
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| pupnik | but .. we are talking, foot catching power cable and the thing flying onto tile/concrete | 03:10 |
| jophish | hmm, tried with a different wireless network, same problem | 03:11 |
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| jophish | lcuk, would you mind testing for me? | 03:22 |
| KamikaziFreak | Does anyone know about the hack to get the old xterm with ctrl and other buttons on the right side on os2008? | 03:23 |
| lcuk | http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2007/12/31/adding-pipe-and-tab-to-the-n810-keyboard/ | 03:23 |
| lcuk | yes, im busy | 03:23 |
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| KamikaziFreak | lcuk, if that was for me, I'm talking about something else. | 03:26 |
| * lcuk isnt on form tonight lol | 03:27 | |
| jophish | garr, I don't believe that this could be so complex | 03:27 |
| jophish | refusing to use no proxy | 03:28 |
| jophish | it uses a proxy fine, however when no proxy is set, application manager defaults to 1.0.0.0 | 03:28 |
| KamikaziFreak | There's a hack somewhere that breaks the os2008 feature upgrade in the app manager (making it show up as needing upgrading), but lets you install the older version of osso-xterm. | 03:29 |
| KamikaziFreak | I had it working before my tablet crashed, but can't seem to find it again | 03:30 |
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| jophish | ah, seems this isn't a proxy problem, but a dns problem | 03:34 |
| KamikaziFreak | Aha, found it again. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/31212 | 03:36 |
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| jophish | lcuk, good news, I got it working by using opendns | 03:55 |
| b-man16 | lcuk, http://b-man.psykosis.net/projects/ubuntu/gallery/ :) | 03:55 |
| b-man16 | entirely re designed | 03:55 |
| jophish | well, working for two repo's maemo.org and one nokia one are not working | 03:56 |
| lcuk | that is a fucked up ui, but i think most should work in liqbase lol | 03:57 |
| lcuk | cool joph | 03:57 |
| * lcuk beds anyway | 03:57 | |
| jophish | goodnight | 03:58 |
| b-man16 | lcuk, thanks :) | 03:58 |
| lcuk | \o gnite b-man16 jophish | 03:58 |
| lcuk | b-man16, its only 6 images being alpha blitted in certain places | 03:58 |
| lcuk | bacon did that in original liqbase ;) | 03:58 |
| b-man16 | yeah, but it's still a bit of a concept | 03:59 |
| b-man16 | ;) | 03:59 |
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| lcuk | b-man16, would be cool if you could balance the images and tip them around based on the orientation of the tablet ;) | 04:00 |
| * lcuk really beds tho | 04:00 | |
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| b-man16 | yeah, if we had an accelerometer | 04:01 |
| b-man16 | XD | 04:01 |
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| * b-man16 updates it to support links | 04:03 | |
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| pupnik | in browser, i try to hilight text, but it always pans | 04:45 |
| pupnik | what am i doing wrong? | 04:45 |
| tank-man | try double click the word then drag | 04:46 |
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| pupnik | can i disable pannng in browser? | 05:26 |
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| tonikitoo| | pupnik, no way to disable pan | 05:47 |
| tonikitoo| | dbl tap and drag is your only alternative, i am afraid | 05:48 |
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| awlship | hello | 05:53 |
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| man_in_shack | website having issues? | 07:43 |
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| man_in_shack | eew, gpe sudoku is described as "math" game | 07:45 |
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| man_in_shack | ooh, maemo port of powermanga | 07:52 |
| inz | man, it has numbers; it must be math | 07:53 |
| inz | alhough, just about anything with numbers isn't real math, it's algebra | 07:55 |
| man_in_shack | you could easily replace the numbers with any other set of 9 unique symbols | 07:56 |
| inz | true | 07:56 |
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| inz | indeed it is a logic puzzle; but one might argue that logics is math | 07:57 |
| man_in_shack | more like maths is logic :D | 08:01 |
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| Guest3122_234 | someone know when the extra repo be udated? | 08:05 |
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| thux | morning | 10:01 |
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| ifvoid | hm | 10:07 |
| ifvoid | how do I enter an escape? | 10:07 |
| ifvoid | as in vi | 10:07 |
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| Razu | Pressing esc? | 10:09 |
| thangam_Arun | hello all | 10:10 |
| thangam_Arun | i am trying to access this URL http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/Ubuntu-9.04-N8x0-v2.1.tar.gz | 10:10 |
| ifvoid | Razu: uhm, on my n800 I mean ;) | 10:10 |
| thangam_Arun | i am not able to get it | 10:10 |
| thangam_Arun | is this url is down or moved to different name ?? | 10:11 |
| Razu | ifvoid: You have the auxilliary button bar in terminal? At least in n810 esc is there by default. | 10:11 |
| Razu | If not go to setting and add it. Set as value Escape | 10:12 |
| thangam_Arun | any help please ?? | 10:12 |
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| ifvoid | Razu: ah hm | 10:14 |
| ifvoid | Razu: I was using a different terminal from extras that doesn't have the extra buttons | 10:14 |
| Razu | ifvoid: Ok :) | 10:14 |
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| thangam_Arun | i am trying to download Ubuntu-9.04 root image for N810 | 10:15 |
| thangam_Arun | but i am not able to get it !! | 10:15 |
| thangam_Arun | any idea ?? | 10:15 |
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| thangam_Arun | no body is there to help me ?? | 10:16 |
| thangam_Arun | i googled lot but no idea .. | 10:17 |
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| thangam_Arun | where to get ubuntu root filesystem for nokia tablet n800 | 10:21 |
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| thux | thangam_Arun: http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/Ubuntu-9.04-N8x0-v2.1.tar.gz | 10:23 |
| thux | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=25975 | 10:24 |
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| thangam_Arun | thux: no that URL is not accessable | 10:25 |
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| thangam_Arun | thux: i tried but there is no way to get that rootfs | 10:26 |
| thux | ah ok then i don't know | 10:27 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 10:48 |
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| RST38h | Ehehe, the http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29460 thread on ITT promises to be lots of fun =) | 11:11 |
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| Macer | well. after the 2nd time around | 11:12 |
| Macer | using opensolaris as a desktop isn't that bad at all | 11:12 |
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| RST38h | Macer: I greatly hope you are using OLWM, aren't you? | 11:16 |
| amit_dusual | hi all, i am trying to install some python library on my scratchbox but i get this error:could not create '/scratchbox/tools/lib/python2.3/site-packages/easy': Permission denied Is there some problem with fakeroot?? | 11:19 |
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| Macer | huh? | 11:20 |
| Macer | OLWM? | 11:20 |
| Macer | i'm using gnome. that's what comes with 2009.06 | 11:21 |
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| Macer | and like | 11:22 |
| Macer | olwm? :) | 11:22 |
| Macer | huh?http://xwinman.org/screenshots/olwm.gif | 11:22 |
| Macer | i hope that isn't what you are talking about :) | 11:22 |
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| RST38h | Macer: No, you DEFINITELY should be using OLWM =) | 11:24 |
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| Macer | heh | 11:30 |
| Macer | no thanks | 11:30 |
| Macer | it's working great as a desktop | 11:31 |
| Macer | although i need to build mplayer or something | 11:31 |
| Macer | or xine.. anything that has internal codecs | 11:31 |
| RST38h | no repositories? | 11:31 |
| Macer | i'm not sure about mplayer | 11:31 |
| Macer | i've just started installing things like flash | 11:31 |
| Macer | (official flash built for open/solaris) :) | 11:32 |
| suihkulokki | olwm/xview was one the few packages we at debian did not bother to port for armel :) | 11:32 |
| Macer | lol | 11:32 |
| Macer | man i love this video where the dude running from a bait car runs onto a golf course and steals a damn golf cart | 11:32 |
| suihkulokki | I actually asked for it's removal but apparently it still has it's fans | 11:33 |
| Macer | olwm? | 11:33 |
| suihkulokki | yes | 11:33 |
| Macer | i am sure there are some people thathave really made it look nice | 11:33 |
| Macer | i mean you have to put a lot more work into it but i'm sure you can do pretty nice stuff to it | 11:33 |
| Macer | just like flux or blackbox | 11:33 |
| suihkulokki | trouble is that xview (the toolkit olwm is built on) doesn't work (properly) on any 64bit arch either | 11:34 |
| Macer | what i really hate about the opensolaris gnome is taht the media player only sends you to download codecs that have to be paid for | 11:35 |
| Macer | wtf? | 11:35 |
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| balor | Does the N810 have OpenGL ES on board? | 11:36 |
| suihkulokki | short answer: no | 11:36 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:37 |
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| X-Fade | Morning Jaffa | 11:39 |
| MakeGho | Hi. My n810 suddenly started to type ø and æ when I press ö and ä buttons. Any ideas how to fix that? | 11:39 |
| RST38h | the characters you are typing look like Unicode trash to me, so no idea | 11:39 |
| aquatix | RST38h: fix your irc client ;) | 11:40 |
| aquatix | MakeGho: might be a locale issue | 11:40 |
| RST38h | aquatix: F-Secure SSH Client here | 11:40 |
| aquatix | did you change the locale settings lately? | 11:40 |
| MakeGho | nope, didn't | 11:40 |
| aquatix | rhm | 11:40 |
| aquatix | -r | 11:40 |
| MakeGho | it started all sudden, I didn't even install anything | 11:41 |
| aquatix | RST38h: does it have a utf8 option? | 11:41 |
| RST38h | aquatix: no idea, lemme try | 11:41 |
| suihkulokki | MakeGho: looks like danish keymap | 11:41 |
| aquatix | MakeGho: might be a fluke, maybe a simple reboot will fix it | 11:41 |
| aquatix | yeah, or swedish maybe | 11:41 |
| RST38h | no. | 11:42 |
| MakeGho | Finnish keymap = Swedish keymap btw | 11:42 |
| MakeGho | aquatix, reboot didn't fix | 11:42 |
| balor | suihkulokki: Long answer probably includes Mesa and Gallium? | 11:42 |
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| MakeGho | I also switched this to Swedish and back but it didn't help | 11:43 |
| MakeGho | could try some weird language and back too | 11:43 |
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| MakeGho | could there be some shortcut key like alt+shift in windows? | 11:45 |
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| RST38h | there is language selector | 11:50 |
| RST38h | in the virtual keyboard menu, anyway | 11:50 |
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| MakeGho | ctrl+chr fixed it | 11:54 |
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| MakeGho | thanks all | 11:55 |
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| RST38h | heh | 11:56 |
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| balor | I have a hello-world app, how do I start it on maemo 4.1? af-sb-init.sh hello? | 12:03 |
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| sarower | hello...........all | 12:04 |
| Jaffa | balor: On the SDK? | 12:04 |
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| balor | Jaffa: On the scratchbox enviroment in the SDK | 12:04 |
| Jaffa | balor: run-standalone.sh ./hello (af-sb-init.sh just starts the deskto environment) | 12:04 |
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| sarower | what are the technologies related to Internet connectivity and communication in maemo...? | 12:04 |
| balor | Jaffa: thanks. So I should af-sb-init.sh& and then run standalone | 12:04 |
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| sarower | I want to work on it... | 12:05 |
| sarower | any body there .. who can give a guidance | 12:05 |
| Jaffa | balor: 'af-sb-init.sh start' - starts stuff backgrounded anyway, so & unnecessary | 12:05 |
| sarower | Please! | 12:05 |
| Jaffa | sarower: What do you mean "related to Internet connectivity and communication in Maemo"? | 12:05 |
| sarower | suppose i want to establish a connection with other device.... | 12:06 |
| sarower | which way or technology i have to study? | 12:06 |
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| Macer | that is a rather large list isn't it? | 12:07 |
| Jaffa | sarower: Bluetooth or (ad-hoc) wifi. The protocol you then speak if up to you. | 12:07 |
| Jaffa | I believe INdT had a library for games comms, but ICBW | 12:07 |
| sarower | no ... i want to do it programatically through internet..! | 12:08 |
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| parigaudi | hi | 12:08 |
| sarower | which API or library? | 12:08 |
| sarower | i have to study? | 12:08 |
| parigaudi | i tried to compile the camera example, but it seems like the pkgconfig .pc file is missing for the gstreamer-interfaces-0.10 in the diablo sdk | 12:09 |
| parigaudi | where do i get that file? | 12:09 |
| parigaudi | or what's the solution? | 12:09 |
| man_in_shack | sarower, obex may help you with bluetooth. ad-hoc wifi is probably easier for the programmer, because it's just a regular network | 12:09 |
| Jaffa | sarower: Anything using TCP/IP; but you probably also want to look at the icd interface to prompt for network connections on demand | 12:10 |
| sarower | Jaffa: yah right... | 12:10 |
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| parigaudi | or what do i need to compile the camera example? | 12:11 |
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| sarower | I mean... suppose we can use cairo for drawing....? then what it would be for internet connection? | 12:11 |
| flux | sarower, I think you are looking for the BSD sockets interface | 12:12 |
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| Jaffa | sarower: Use icd to establish a network connection; then the BSD sockets interface | 12:12 |
| sarower | in maemo...? | 12:12 |
| sarower | Jaffa? | 12:13 |
| Jaffa | Or any Linux library built on top of it (if you want to use HTTP or SOAP or REST or ...) | 12:13 |
| Jaffa | sarower: Yes, in Maemo. | 12:13 |
| sarower | i will use maemomm (OSSO C++). So is it possible to use SOAP there? | 12:13 |
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| Jaffa | sarower: top result on Google for "c++ linux soap" is http://users.skynet.be/pascalbotte/rcx-ws-doc/gsoap.htm | 12:14 |
| * Jaffa has only ever done SOAP in Java, so YMMV | 12:14 | |
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| sarower | Ok Jaffa... Thanks... and let me check these things! later i will talk to you. | 12:16 |
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| parigaudi | brb | 12:20 |
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| Summeli | gsoap works very well with Maemo | 12:26 |
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| lcuk | lol jaffa, im surprised there were results for linux and soap in the same query | 12:29 |
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| RST38h | "The presidency of the Gabonese Republic would like to stress that the President of the Republic, the Head of State, His Excellency Omar Bongo is not dead." | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | it's quite often those things happen | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | "he's actually a zombie" | 12:34 |
| RST38h | French zombie to believe the BBC | 12:34 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Never underestimate the power of the dark side | 12:36 |
| RST38h | the soapy power of the dark side... | 12:37 |
| Jaffa | Clean and shiney dark side, compared with the grubby light side. Hmm. | 12:39 |
| RST38h | What part of Microsoft's crap is clean? | 12:39 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: SOAP makes things clean, and who mentioned MS? ;-) | 12:50 |
| Jaffa | s/SOAP/Soap/ | 12:50 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: RST38h: Soap makes things clean, and who mentioned MS? ;-) | 12:50 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: SOAP involves so much worthless XML glue that it rarely fits into UDP packets | 12:53 |
| RST38h | In fact, a copuple of my friends hit that when doing VoIP :) | 12:53 |
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| RST38h | wazd, lcuk, jaffa: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=295211&postcount=29 | 12:54 |
| RST38h | Enjoy, folks :) | 12:54 |
| Macer | well... opensolaris is good | 12:54 |
| wazd | RST38h: I just want to copy 500 songs to the other card | 12:55 |
| lcuk | RST38h, "s such a royal pain in the tukhes. " thats gotta hurt | 12:56 |
| RST38h | wazd: Then give him hell before this view of the situation gets implemented in Fremantle release | 12:56 |
| RST38h | lcuk: You try opening a directory with 100+ files in fMSX or Speccy and see :) | 12:56 |
| lcuk | RST38h, i *KNOW* your pain, i had the same problem, i have hundreds of book fils | 12:57 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Same, go haunt Quim | 12:57 |
| lcuk | on liqbase classic version i put up a crappy file select, the one in the newer one is even worse for now | 12:57 |
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| lcuk | why, i dont use it - when i want files randomly i either put up with the file manager thats there | 12:58 |
| lcuk | its VERY rare i ever see the gtk dialog | 12:58 |
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| lcuk | i use winscp which has file tree normally | 12:58 |
| RST38h | If we do not haunt Quim on these issues, he will have the "nobody complained about the beta" defense when everyone gets pissed about N900 | 12:58 |
| lcuk | but its linux | 12:58 |
| lcuk | you can just install whatever makes you happy | 12:58 |
| lcuk | kot has mc | 12:58 |
| Macer | i didn't know that in canada all you have to do to get guns through the airport is to smuggle them in clay | 12:58 |
| Macer | oh wait.. this movie came out in 1995 | 12:58 |
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| lcuk | i use the builtin one | 12:58 |
| lcuk | for the rare times i need it it works | 12:59 |
| Macer | when you could move huge quantities of cocaine through the airports | 12:59 |
| RST38h | Macer: need more clay now | 12:59 |
| KayDeeEeJon | hi | 12:59 |
| lcuk | RST38h, ive got the raw starting point for a wicked smooth file select dialog that will be completed in time | 13:00 |
| Macer | haha | 13:00 |
| Macer | "The Sons of the Dragons" | 13:00 |
| Macer | haha | 13:00 |
| lcuk | i'd rather not complain at problems but try to visualise solutions | 13:00 |
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| Macer | it just isn't a good asian assassin movie without having something or something without the word dragon in it | 13:00 |
| lcuk | but ill bbl | 13:00 |
| Macer | it's like asian bourne | 13:01 |
| RST38h | lcuk: the problem with the stuff you are doing is that it is still just a demo that has nothing to do with the standard frameworks (GTK+ in our case) or applications | 13:03 |
| RST38h | lcuk: So, personnally, I will say "liqbase is a success" when I start seeing first liqbase-based apps (image viewers, book readers, file managers) appearing in Extras | 13:03 |
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| man_in_shack | 8999999999999999999999999999999 | 13:26 |
| pupnik_ | ty tonikitoo| | 13:29 |
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| KayDeeEeJon | about the camera api again: i can't compile the camera example because pkgconfig doesn't find a package for gstreamer-interfaces (in diablo sdk) | 13:40 |
| KayDeeEeJon | and googling around, i found some irc log from here where someone said the .pc file was missing (i.e. gstreamer-interfaces-0.10.pc) | 13:41 |
| KayDeeEeJon | so how do i get the camera example to build with diablo sdk? | 13:41 |
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| Stskeeps | it's incredible how many people go right ahead when things are marked as strictly experimental and then are surprised when it bricks their devices.. | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | "this image, might for what it's worth, turn your device into a raving killing machine and cause doomsday to come about" | 13:48 |
| aquatix | `or might eat your lunch, whatever scares you most' | 13:49 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: what about displaying skull and crossbones while booting? =) | 13:59 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: i thought the maemo.org log would be enough warning ;P | 14:00 |
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| Stskeeps | logo | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | (we haven't added that to boot screen yet) | 14:00 |
| aquatix | didn't know maemo.org was that scary ;) | 14:00 |
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| Stskeeps | heh, airbus plane landing in gran canaria .. some media claim an engine was on fire.. and a spokesman say "the plane had undefined problems".. which is kinda fatal in a plane that's digital fly-by-wire | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:20 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: And has not manual(human) override mode. | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 14:21 |
| X-Fade | *no | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | i would freak out if a plane console started showing "undefined" or "NULL" on screens | 14:21 |
| RST38h | Isn't that beautiful engineering? | 14:21 |
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| Stskeeps | or worse off, "null" | 14:22 |
| * RST38h can almost see some Airbus manager explaining to the pilots that the manual control is "not an intended use case" | 14:22 | |
| X-Fade | I was also amazed at the the air france plane being unfindable at first. | 14:22 |
| X-Fade | Is it so hard to just slap a gps tracker on that 200M plane ;) | 14:22 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: when it's several meters under the surface of water, maybe | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:22 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Last know position? | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | true | 14:23 |
| X-Fade | That should narrow the search radius to a few square km.. | 14:23 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: It is there | 14:23 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Why were they searching in 100s of square km radius then? | 14:23 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: The problem of course is that 1) it needs power to operate and 2) radio signals do not penetrate water well | 14:23 |
| Robot101 | 3) the water moves | 14:24 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Once you lose tracking signal, you have to assume that the bird can fly as far as its remaining fuel allows | 14:24 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Reporting every minute or even every 10 secs will help? | 14:24 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Hence 100kms | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | mount a n810 on top of the plane | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:24 |
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| X-Fade | I just would have expected a better resolution with current technology. | 14:25 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Again: the moment you lose the signal (to whatever causes), you have to assume that the plane may go as far as fuel allows | 14:25 |
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| Noma | But why they don't build a device that has its own power system and satellite connection and send the position via satellite every 10sec to the ground? And maybe even the blackbox data? | 14:25 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Why would you lose GPS tracker signal at the same time. (If this was an engine or onboard computer problem) | 14:25 |
| X-Fade | Noma: Exactly. That should be separate. | 14:26 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Power trouble for example | 14:26 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: eletromagnetic interference. terrorist act. | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | meteor.. | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:26 |
| RST38h | The short answer is "you do not know" | 14:26 |
| RST38h | And with so many lives at stake, you have to consider all options | 14:27 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Well in this case it looks like the airspeed indicator was broken. | 14:27 |
| RST38h | Quite possible | 14:27 |
| X-Fade | So they basically stalled while in a storm. | 14:27 |
| RST38h | Airspeed isn't very reliable thing to measure anyway | 14:27 |
| pupnik_ | anybody got nmap for os2008? 2007 doesnt work | 14:28 |
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| Noma | by the way, what prevents to mount the blackbox somewhere on the plane so that it would separate from the plane when it detects that the plane hits the water? | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | according to some, it is mounted nearby the tail | 14:31 |
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| Noma | but still it has gone to the bottom with the plane | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | i still dislike flying, heh | 14:33 |
| RST38h | It is safer than driving though | 14:33 |
| Noma | and safer than trains and boats | 14:33 |
| RST38h | You have not mentioned the bicycles | 14:34 |
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| RST38h | bicycles are real killers, eclipsed only by motorbikes | 14:34 |
| aquatix | or walking | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | tank deaths. | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | .:P | 14:34 |
| Noma | the newspaper i read just compared planes, cars, trains and boats :p | 14:34 |
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| aquatix | fighter jets | 14:34 |
| RST38h | rhinos, anybody? =) | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | death by elephant seems to exist to | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | o | 14:35 |
| RST38h | yes, a popular way of execution in India during British rule | 14:36 |
| jaska | brutish rule | 14:36 |
| aquatix | *trample* | 14:36 |
| inz | RST, staying at home isn't too safe either | 14:38 |
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| aquatix | most accidents happen in and round your home | 14:40 |
| inz | Suddenly flying sounds quite safe | 14:41 |
| inz | I'll never set my foot on ground again! | 14:41 |
| aquatix | my next home is an aeroplane | 14:41 |
| lcuk | when the sky becomes your home the accident rate rises.. | 14:42 |
| aquatix | shush ;) | 14:42 |
| locutus | i prefer submarines | 14:42 |
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| lcuk | submarine racing :: not a spectator sport | 14:42 |
| inz | There was big headline yesterday in some finnish "news"paper, freely translated as: "A sunken submarine was found from the bottom of the ocean" | 14:43 |
| inz | I wonder where they were looking before that... | 14:43 |
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| lcuk | heh | 14:44 |
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| aquatix | inz: lol | 14:47 |
| RST38h | Actually, NOTHING beats eating cucumbers in terms of fataities | 14:49 |
| RST38h | 100% of people who ate cucumbers in XIX century are dead | 14:49 |
| aquatix | yep | 14:49 |
| aquatix | same with breathing oxygen | 14:49 |
| aquatix | also a 100% fatality rate | 14:49 |
| inz | And drinking water | 14:49 |
| thux | vodka is very healthy instead | 14:50 |
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| RST38h | hydrogen monoxide poisonings are known to happen, yes | 14:50 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, 19th century 1800 .. 1900 - there are people around who are over 109 years old, so your statement might well be false | 14:52 |
| RST38h | lcuk: poisonous cucumber consumption usually starts at the age of 5 or so | 14:53 |
| RST38h | maybe a bit earlier | 14:53 |
| RST38h | otherwise these may be rare survivors who avoided cucumbers all their lives =) | 14:53 |
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| lcuk | i cannot find any facts on longevity of cucumber eaters | 14:56 |
| X-Fade | ask wolfram ;) | 14:56 |
| lcuk | RST38h, is your study another scp? | 14:56 |
| lcuk | heh X-Fade | 14:56 |
| RST38h | hehe | 14:56 |
| lcuk | if wolfram was so good, it would recognise i asked a question and automatically mail me the results | 14:57 |
| lcuk | and a nice cucumber sandwich | 14:57 |
| * RST38h wonders why so many cellular automata people go mad | 14:58 | |
| aquatix | Wolfram|Alpha isn't sure what to do with your input. | 14:58 |
| aquatix | eat it? | 14:58 |
| RST38h | Maybe that is how the Tentacled One makes a warning? =) | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: when it begins to talk to you | 14:59 |
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| lcuk | ahhh, we have proof then that wolfran alpha did NOT eat a cucumber in the 19th century | 15:00 |
| RST38h | Wolfram himself definitely ate *some* cucumber | 15:01 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, do you have a rigerous proof of that | 15:02 |
| lcuk | or is it all hearsay | 15:02 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: A moment | 15:02 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: http://www.wolframscience.com/thebook.html <== 1280 pages of exhaustive proof | 15:03 |
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| pupnik | http://mulliner.org/nokia770/ has nmap for os2008 | 15:16 |
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| thux | why nmap ain't in extras repo? | 15:19 |
| EdLin | I'm having a problem with my n810, when I try to boot it up, I get the white Nokia screen then it goes blank. The last thing I did with it was try to download maps for the GPS program. | 15:21 |
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| EdLin | I'm having a problem with my n810, when I try to boot it up, I get the white Nokia screen then it goes blank. The last thing I did with it was try to download maps for the GPS program. | 15:23 |
| RST38h | That is probably low battery | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | out of space on internal jffs possibly, or low battery | 15:24 |
| EdLin | ok. I was just getting out my charger. If it's out of space in jffs, what do I do? | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | reflash if you don't have usb networking telnet in a bootmenu | 15:25 |
| EdLin | Stskeeps: how do I do that? | 15:25 |
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| EdLin | nm, it seems to have been the battery. | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | if you enabled telnet in bootmenu, you can telnet in over USB and remove stuff to get more space | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | k | 15:26 |
| EdLin | where is boot menu? | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | you only have one if you installed one :P | 15:27 |
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| plastun | how to get path for default directories such as .images, .documents? | 15:36 |
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| RST38h | http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/The_fastest_gun_in_the_west.php | 15:41 |
| RST38h | Check this out =) | 15:41 |
| RST38h | plastun: ~/MyDocs/.documents etc | 15:43 |
| plastun | is constantly for all maemo devices? | 15:43 |
| RST38h | So far. | 15:43 |
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| RST38h | plastun: http://wiki.maemo.org/MyDocs_folder' | 15:44 |
| plastun | thnks | 15:44 |
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| _mo | hi @all | 15:45 |
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| RST38h | Ah the glory shots! | 15:46 |
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| RST38h | "...the brand new Nokia N97 achieves only a modest rating, slowest of all keyboarded PDAs I've ever used, proving only marginally quicker than the virtual keyboard of its much cheaper sister device, the 5800 XpressMusic..." | 15:47 |
| RST38h | So now we know what to expect from N900... | 15:47 |
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| Noma | N97 was just as quick as for example my E71 when I tried it | 15:49 |
| Noma | I didn't notice any slowness | 15:49 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: without knowing if the kbd is anything like n900, it was delicious and nice to write on. | 15:49 |
| RST38h | Well, E71 keyboard is nothing to be proud about | 15:49 |
| RST38h | It is much smaller too | 15:49 |
| RST38h | Sts: I can only test n810 and it is pure trouble | 15:50 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: n810 kbd is shite | 15:50 |
| pupnik | N810 seems pretty good but i have no comparison | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | i want a n900 just for the keyboard, honestly | 15:50 |
| RST38h | Sts: And you are saying N97 is better? | 15:50 |
| pupnik | rounded buttons would mean less typos | 15:50 |
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| RST38h | Would be nice if it were true... | 15:50 |
| RST38h | Well, E70 smokes 'em all, even without rounded buttons | 15:51 |
| RST38h | In fact, the results show it | 15:51 |
| X-Fade | The device we played with had nice pronounced (round bumps) keys. | 15:51 |
| pupnik | but take vertical space, not available in narrow slider design | 15:51 |
| pupnik | hmm | 15:51 |
| X-Fade | And didn't need much pressure to type, unlike the n810 ;) | 15:51 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: That could just be because it'd been well used ;-) | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | right, seems like i'll be presenting on DebConf9 unofficial track | 15:52 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Nah, they were all like that. | 15:52 |
| * aquatix rather likes the qwerty on his sony ericsson m600i | 15:52 | |
| aquatix | tiny, but about as fast (faster?) as then n810 | 15:53 |
| aquatix | *the | 15:53 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: So it is more like the glory shot of the 9210 here: http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/images/qwertytests/qwerty3.jpg ? | 15:54 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: No, they were round in the middle of the key. | 15:55 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Square key with slight spherical cavity at the middle? | 15:55 |
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| X-Fade | Not cavity.. bump | 15:55 |
| RST38h | Oh ok | 15:56 |
| X-Fade | So you can feel them a lot easier too. | 15:56 |
| pupnik | odd, no blackberry or n810 tested | 15:56 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Was there space between keys? | 15:56 |
| pupnik | also test only run by one person - useless | 15:56 |
| chx | The reason N810 pwns everything -- screen resolution | 15:56 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: No. | 15:56 |
| chx | 800x480 oh yeah :) | 15:56 |
| RST38h | Screen resolution of 800x480 is now becoming standard | 15:56 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: You felt the spacing by the bumps. | 15:57 |
| RST38h | HTCs are now 800x480 | 15:57 |
| Noma | Touch Pro 2 and Xperia has just the same resolution as N810:) | 15:57 |
| pupnik | linux? | 15:57 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: ok...so, still no spacing but bumps are there | 15:57 |
| chx | yes. that'd be a problem. | 15:57 |
| chx | Touch Pro 2 is still not Linux is it? | 15:57 |
| RST38h | pupnik: No, WinMobile! | 15:57 |
| chx | neither is Xperia | 15:57 |
| pupnik | ok then | 15:57 |
| * RST38h pushes pupnik back into the tar pit with a pitchfork | 15:57 | |
| chx | well, I dont want a device i need to reboot now and then | 15:57 |
| pupnik | hhaha | 15:57 |
| chx | I had a PDA with Windows Mobile, quite new, like WM6, it sucked balls | 15:58 |
| aquatix | yep, the hardware might be cool, the OS breaks the whole experience | 15:58 |
| pupnik | i think n810 is darn close to perfect tbh | 15:58 |
| RST38h | Manufacturers start recognizing it, seeing how at least a couple of them switched to S60 recently | 15:58 |
| chx | pupnik: it is. | 15:59 |
| aquatix | an n900 phone would be really, really interesting for me | 15:59 |
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| chx | well, if they add HSDPA ... maybe maybe HSUPA that'd be bliss | 15:59 |
| chx | the price of the N810 , by now, is very very enticing too | 16:00 |
| chx | the X1 is , what, 400EUR? | 16:00 |
| chx | the N810 is 200USD.... | 16:00 |
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| Stskeeps | Andrew-Work: happy birthday! :) | 16:01 |
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| Andrew-Work | Thanks Stskeeps | 16:02 |
| Andrew-Work | my email box if full of auto happy birthday message from the hundreds of forums I belong to lol | 16:03 |
| aquatix | heh | 16:04 |
| aquatix | Andrew-Work: congrats :) | 16:04 |
| Andrew-Work | thanks | 16:04 |
| * aquatix gets random birthday spam from forums | 16:04 | |
| aquatix | as i tend to fill in a random birth date :) | 16:04 |
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| jophish | when installing using an install file from maemo.org, does the application manager usually take a long time "preparing for installation" with the progress bar at half way | 16:30 |
| man_in_shack | that reminds me | 16:32 |
| man_in_shack | i gonna install a bunch of stuff | 16:33 |
| man_in_shack | cos stuff is awesome | 16:33 |
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| inz | tan stuff is awesomer | 16:35 |
| inz | you even get divisions by zero | 16:35 |
| man_in_shack | agreed | 16:36 |
| man_in_shack | tan-based asymptotes are awesomer | 16:36 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: I like the new OvershootStabilise | 17:25 |
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| leachim6 | hey | 17:25 |
| leachim6 | isn't there an app that automatically repartitions the memory card and moves the system to it | 17:25 |
| leachim6 | I don't remember the name of it | 17:25 |
| leachim6 | can someone remind me please? | 17:25 |
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| karatchov | hello guys | 17:26 |
| karatchov | plz, anyone here have esbox working on xp ? | 17:27 |
| karatchov | I'm trying to setup it on eclipse, but I get an error when I select esbox in the preference dialog | 17:27 |
| leachim6 | what is the name of the app that automatically moves everything and boots from the MMC... | 17:27 |
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| leachim6 | PLEASE someone tell me the name | 17:28 |
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| leachim6 | I need it now please | 17:30 |
| leachim6 | not to be impatient... | 17:30 |
| leachim6 | sorry | 17:30 |
| GAN8001 | penguinbait has something | 17:30 |
| GAN8001 | I don't know what he calls it. | 17:30 |
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| leachim6 | right awesome | 17:30 |
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| leachim6 | install-tools | 17:32 |
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| karatchov | plz guys, anybody can tell me if esbox works ok in xp ? cause I'm having troubles with it right now | 17:33 |
| RST38h | hehe: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/10/lancashire_terror_school_film/ | 17:33 |
| RST38h | ESBox works on XP. | 17:33 |
| RST38h | But my guess is that Scratchbox does not :) | 17:33 |
| karatchov | I'm trying to use it with a virutal machine | 17:34 |
| karatchov | already downloaded it | 17:34 |
| karatchov | RST38h, any idea how should I install it ? | 17:34 |
| leachim6 | can I get install-tools to work on 770? | 17:35 |
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| RST38h | karatchov: You should start by installing Linux I guess | 17:36 |
| RST38h | Ah ok | 17:36 |
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| RST38h | So you probably want to install it inside that virtual machine | 17:36 |
| leachim6 | can someone please help me get install-tools working on n770? | 17:36 |
| leachim6 | I had it working before | 17:36 |
| leachim6 | bt it's been a while | 17:36 |
| karatchov | actually, I read somewhere that I can install esbox and eclipse nativly in windows | 17:37 |
| karatchov | and use the virtual machine to compile & build | 17:37 |
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| RST38h | Dunno, any mention of Eclipse makes me throw up, sorry | 17:38 |
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| karatchov | ok, thanks anyway | 17:39 |
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| leachim6 | I found it by the way... | 17:41 |
| leachim6 | for anyone else who is interested | 17:41 |
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| leachim6 | penguinbait.com | 17:41 |
| nickp45 | can somebody help me with a tablet problem? | 17:42 |
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| pupnik | depends | 17:43 |
| leachim6 | no we only ignore problems in here... | 17:43 |
| nickp45 | i'm using the latest version diablo and microb isn't letting use gmail or sign into anyother accounts | 17:44 |
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| nickp45 | i've got ssl enabled as well as java script but it doesn't seem to help | 17:44 |
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| nickp45 | tear worked fine for me but it doesn't support proxies which is a problem for me | 17:46 |
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| nickp45 | .. | 17:51 |
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| nickp45 | .. | 17:55 |
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| crashanddie_ | timeless_mbp: around mate? | 17:55 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry. I'm taking minutes | 17:55 |
| crashanddie_ | timeless_mbp: ping me if you're available | 17:56 |
| crashanddie_ | s/if/when/ | 17:56 |
| infobot | crashanddie_ meant: timeless_mbp: ping me when you're available | 17:56 |
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| leachim6 | I can't install osso xterm on my os2006 | 17:56 |
| GAN800 | andre__, ping? | 17:56 |
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| leachim6 | I click on the .install file from maemo.org | 17:57 |
| leachim6 | and it keeps saying "Operation Failed" | 17:57 |
| timeless_mbp | yes yes. stop pinging me | 17:57 |
| leachim6 | so can you guys help? | 17:57 |
| andre__ | GAN800, pong | 17:57 |
| andre__ | leachim6, what exact url? | 17:58 |
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| leachim6 | hmm | 18:04 |
| leachim6 | how do I enable red pill mode on os2006 ? | 18:04 |
| Jaffa | Danger, Will Robinson! | 18:04 |
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| leachim6 | I know how to use it... | 18:04 |
| leachim6 | relax | 18:04 |
| nickp45 | are you using an n77p leachim6? | 18:05 |
| leachim6 | yeah | 18:05 |
| nickp45 | o ok | 18:05 |
| leachim6 | I tried adding a repo called matrix... | 18:05 |
| leachim6 | but no dice... | 18:05 |
| leachim6 | I remember before I got a dialog saying something like "CAUTION: Red Pill Mode Activated" | 18:05 |
| leachim6 | or something like that | 18:05 |
| leachim6 | nickp45, how do I do it? | 18:06 |
| nickp45 | know what? | 18:06 |
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| leachim6 | enable red pill mode | 18:07 |
| RST38h | leachim6: I think it is time for you to google a few things | 18:07 |
| leachim6 | ... | 18:07 |
| RST38h | Starting with the red pill mode | 18:07 |
| leachim6 | I did google it... | 18:07 |
| leachim6 | I tried what it said... | 18:07 |
| leachim6 | it didn't work... | 18:07 |
| aquatix | red pill is old | 18:07 |
| leachim6 | my OS is old... | 18:07 |
| RST38h | I mean, before you break something =) | 18:07 |
| aquatix | wasn't it deprecated too? | 18:07 |
| leachim6 | what? | 18:07 |
| leachim6 | OS2006? | 18:07 |
| leachim6 | or red pill | 18:07 |
| andre__ | enter "matrix" as URL, click "Cancel" | 18:07 |
| aquatix | red pill | 18:08 |
| aquatix | but as andre__ says :) | 18:08 |
| leachim6 | ohh | 18:08 |
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| leachim6 | click cancel ok | 18:08 |
| leachim6 | thanks | 18:09 |
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| leachim6 | I was clicking ok and it just added an invalid source | 18:09 |
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| GAN800 | andre__, try rtcomm, XChat, or MicroB | 18:09 |
| aquatix | :) | 18:09 |
| andre__ | GAN800, comment on the report :) | 18:09 |
| leachim6 | I try to install osso-xterm from maemo-hackers repo and I get "Packages Missing: libice6, libsme6" | 18:10 |
| leachim6 | what's up with taht? | 18:10 |
| GAN800 | andre__, little pressed for time atm. ;) | 18:10 |
| andre__ | as if i'd remember all the numbers i see on one day :-P | 18:10 |
| leachim6 | got it -> http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-7521.html | 18:12 |
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| nickp45 | i'm using the latest version diablo and microb isn't letting use gmail or sign into anyother accounts | 18:17 |
| nickp45 | any ideas? | 18:17 |
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| VDVsx | stupid question: what is the intended use of the 'chr' key in the n810 kb ? | 18:22 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx: Pop up the symbol menu? | 18:22 |
| VDVsx | X-Fade, lol, just learned a new thing, hehe | 18:24 |
| VDVsx | I was wondering because this key don't produce any known X event :) | 18:25 |
| leachim6 | where can I get gainroot.deb | 18:25 |
| leachim6 | I can't find it anywhere | 18:25 |
| leachim6 | YES I googled it... | 18:26 |
| VDVsx | ~root | 18:26 |
| infobot | methinks root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. | 18:26 |
| VDVsx | lol | 18:26 |
| qwerty12 | VDVsx, the keycode produced is too high for X to understand. Xomap is hackzored to understand it, can't remember the bug # | 18:26 |
| qwerty12 | ~root-access | 18:26 |
| infobot | from memory, root-access is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access | 18:26 |
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| VDVsx | qwerty12, hum, don't know why I assigned this key to 'alt' in my app, strange, this remind me to never hack in a drunk state :P | 18:29 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 18:30 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: I fixed a bug with scroll bar theming (for some reason it wasn't working any more with item views) | 18:34 |
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| Stskeeps | hm, any sane sw for maemo that'll upload your gps position? | 19:11 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: NAFAIK - no use case for it: GPS drains battery too fast and is too unreliable. Maybe something from Plazes or GeoClue? | 19:13 |
| lcuk | why does gps drain battery, its a radio receive only | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: oh, but i have a trick, only do it when i'm on DUN anyway | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | => i'm outside | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: takes power to keep an antenna active | 19:16 |
| lcuk | wireless radios work without batteries | 19:17 |
| lcuk | my radio in my little headphones system uses a battery mainly to power the headphones themselves | 19:17 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: depends on hz and gain i guess.. | 19:18 |
| lcuk | i honestly thought before i got gps gadgets that gps was mostly passive and really battery efficient :$ | 19:18 |
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| * lcuk lived under a rock | 19:18 | |
| * andre__ dislikes mass-moving/tagging of bugs. now trigger more bugspam, andre! | 19:19 | |
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| qwerty12 | lcuk: the place mentioned in your hostname suggests that you still do :P | 19:19 |
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| lcuk | hahaha fu | 19:20 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: what are you doing? | 19:21 |
| andre__ | timeless_mbp, moving *api* doc complaints to the corresponding packages and splitting that from dev platform docu | 19:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok | 19:22 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: ping? | 19:26 |
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| lbt | Hi fiferboy | 19:38 |
| fiferboy | Hi. I was just looking at what would need to be done to get webviews scrolling | 19:39 |
| fiferboy | It does not look fun or pretty | 19:39 |
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| lbt | they're moving to webkit too IIRC | 19:39 |
| lbt | not paying huge attention | 19:39 |
| fiferboy | Well, it looks like QWebFrame would be the best place to implement, but everything is so abstracted to work with WebCore that things are a bit difficult | 19:42 |
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| ShadowJK | rst38h: doesnt n97 have same cpu as 5800, and aren't they more like n8x0 in terms of cpu power? | 19:46 |
| lbt | fiferboy: did my merged code all work for you? | 19:52 |
| VDVsx | ShadowJK, a bit more freq, but the same arm 11 (n97 and 5800) | 19:52 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Yep. The OvershootStabilise look good, although there is sometimes a little flicker at the very end | 19:53 |
| lbt | yes... | 19:53 |
| lbt | also setValue should be removable on overshoot | 19:53 |
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| fiferboy | I just wanted to make sure it would scroll all the way to the limit | 19:54 |
| GAN800 | ShadowJK, N97 is a bit faster than the N800, 5800 a bit slower. | 19:54 |
| fiferboy | ie, if you are scrolling to the top of a list and it goes from position 20 to position -1, it wouldn't stay at 20 when overshooting | 19:54 |
| fiferboy | But it should only need to do it once, when position != limit | 19:55 |
| lbt | no.... but I think the overshoot happens when you are out of val bound | 19:55 |
| VDVsx | GAN800, and the new iphone, any guess for the cpu ? | 19:55 |
| lbt | and setVal happens as last step | 19:56 |
| jophish | has anyone here ever had any trouble with the application manager? | 19:56 |
| fiferboy | Oh, that's right. setVal will happen before overshoot | 19:56 |
| lbt | yep | 19:56 |
| lbt | bbiab... | 19:56 |
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| ShadowJK | nickp45: open up an xterm, type: export http_proxy=http://your.proxy.here:portnumberhere/ | 19:59 |
| ShadowJK | nickp45: then type: tear | 19:59 |
| ShadowJK | worked for me last time I checked | 19:59 |
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| dneary | hi | 20:01 |
| dneary | I'm having a DNS issue in scratchbox | 20:02 |
| dneary | I found this: http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2007-March/000906.html | 20:02 |
| dneary | and so I tested whether wget could resolve - no | 20:02 |
| dneary | I checked /sb/etc/nsswitch.conf - looks fine | 20:02 |
| mgedmin | what about resolv.conf? | 20:03 |
| dneary | hosts: files dns all round | 20:03 |
| dneary | resolv.conf: nameserver 127.0.0.1 | 20:03 |
| dneary | No search lines | 20:03 |
| dneary | This is /etc/resolv.conf when in scratchbox | 20:04 |
| mgedmin | and /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf? | 20:04 |
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| dneary | nameserver 212.27.40.241 | 20:04 |
| dneary | nameserver 212.27.40.240 | 20:04 |
| mgedmin | which is right? | 20:05 |
| dneary | (generated by NetworkManager) | 20:05 |
| jophish | chinook repositories should work with diablo? | 20:05 |
| dneary | Well, I'd kind o' like 192.168.1.1 to be used | 20:05 |
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| dneary | Which is the local nameserver | 20:05 |
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| dneary | Weird | 20:06 |
| mgedmin | scratchbox likes to make a copy of your system /etc/resolv.conf, which tends to stop working when you move to a different network | 20:06 |
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| dneary | Added "nameserver 192.168.1.1" to the top of /sb/etc/resolv.conf, works now | 20:06 |
| dneary | mgedmin: Any way to force reinitialisation? | 20:06 |
| dneary | I have already quit & restarted scratchbox several times | 20:06 |
| mgedmin | vi /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf :) | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | IIRC when I got bored I installed dnsmasq on my host system and modified both resolv.conf's inside scratchbox to use 127.0.0.1 | 20:07 |
| lcuk | ahhh mgedmin perfect solution, startup vi, so then you get so frustrated trying to close vi you pop the battery | 20:07 |
| * lcuk likes your logic | 20:07 | |
| mgedmin | hey, vi isn't that bad | 20:08 |
| mgedmin | when I first ran into turbo pascal 3.0 I had to reboot because I couldn't find the editor exit key | 20:08 |
| lcuk | heh | 20:08 |
| mgedmin | later I read in a magazine that it was ctrl+k, ctrl+e | 20:08 |
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| GAN800 | VDVsx, clearly Cortex, possibly custom? | 20:09 |
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| lcuk | <koen> "Although unannounced, the iPhone 3GS uses (again) a Samsung SoC but this time instead of the ARM11 + MBX-Lite combo it’s got a Cortex A8 and PowerVR SGX; just like the Pre." | 20:09 |
| lcuk | from #bealge earlier | 20:09 |
| lcuk | #beagle even | 20:09 |
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| GAN800 | Nokia falls behind again . . . sigh | 20:10 |
| GAN800 | One giant me too. | 20:11 |
| lcuk | is cortex next gen after the 3430? | 20:11 |
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| wazd_ | A little more time for waiting and Nokia will be One giant "whatever" :) | 20:12 |
| GAN800 | OMAP3430 is Cortex A8, PowerVR SGX, and C64x DSP. | 20:12 |
| lcuk | so why is it behind then? | 20:12 |
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| GAN800 | Because it's coming after everybody else's offerings. | 20:12 |
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| lcuk | if thats the case, arent we about 18months behind the archos | 20:13 |
| lcuk | and so everyone is following | 20:13 |
| GAN800 | Direct competitors. | 20:14 |
| lcuk | but those are phones | 20:15 |
| wazd_ | can anybody give me the link to that "1000 items to scroll" post? | 20:15 |
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| wazd_ | from Quim | 20:15 |
| lcuk | wazd_, i can probaably give oyu a link to where i scroll 25000 items in the graffiti view | 20:15 |
| lcuk | ahh | 20:15 |
| wazd_ | lcuk: yea-yea :D | 20:15 |
| GAN800 | So is Rover. | 20:15 |
| qwerty12 | wazd_: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=295211&postcount=29 | 20:16 |
| wazd_ | qwerty12: oh, thx :) | 20:16 |
| lcuk | GAN800, mm? i know we have data but where is the info about full phone stuff? | 20:16 |
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| GAN800 | Stskeeps, have you talked to the Touchbook? | 20:17 |
| wazd_ | qwerty12: I have a complain! Screen keyboard does not pop up when I focus on the input fieald in "What should I do next" window in xChat | 20:17 |
| GAN800 | Why else would it be 3.5"? | 20:17 |
| wazd_ | it's like "Join the channel or leave me alone" | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: no, feel free to establish a contact though | 20:17 |
| GAN800 | If it's 3.5" and not a phone I'm finding another platform. | 20:18 |
| qwerty12 | wazd_: I know, it sucks, I can't figure it out. :( On my N800, I choose the do nothing option and enter "/join #channel"in the normal chatting area | 20:18 |
| wazd_ | qwerty12: yep, thats what I do :) | 20:18 |
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| wazd_ | qwerty12: anyway, just to let you know :) | 20:18 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 20:18 |
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| wazd_ | qwerty12: fix it or die!11 :D | 20:19 |
| lcuk | :D gan, i can prolly find 100 posts from you deriding the possibility of a combined all in one device :D | 20:20 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, but got to go with the best device available | 20:20 |
| qwerty12 | wazd_: It was nice knowin..eek.. | 20:20 |
| lcuk | (me doesnt object either way, i just want my data at home) | 20:20 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, based on the available info at the time. | 20:20 |
| * lcuk nods | 20:21 | |
| lcuk | i cant wait for nokia to announce the new "Pocketable" a3 tablet :D | 20:21 |
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| lcuk | 400dpi OLED multicore | 20:22 |
| * lcuk daydreams | 20:22 | |
| wazd_ | coffee-machine... | 20:22 |
| lcuk | yeah, need more of it | 20:23 |
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| ShadowJK | gps used to require more computational power than what PCs could offer :) | 20:26 |
| thiagoss | is there something wrong with garage repositories? | 20:26 |
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| lcuk | ~seen sopi | 20:27 |
| ShadowJK | so it's no wonder if modern gps receivers consume some power to track multiple satellites simultaneously and calculate a fix every second... | 20:27 |
| infobot | lcuk: i haven't seen 'sopi' | 20:27 |
| Jaffa | Anyone know if Eclipse has ever been run *on ARM* (e.g. on a Beagleboard?) | 20:28 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, ahhh, finally a real reason | 20:28 |
| slonopotamus | Jaffa, no reasons why it shouldn't | 20:29 |
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| Jaffa | slonopotamus: I've not seen an ARM build of it, wondered if anyone had tried | 20:30 |
| lcuk | eclipse is java tho isnt it? | 20:30 |
| slonopotamus | yes | 20:30 |
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| * lcuk nearly said javascript | 20:30 | |
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| slonopotamus | Jaffa, build it yourself, lazy binary user :P | 20:31 |
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| Jaffa | slonopotamus: I imagine the Eclipse build process is complex and fiull of twisty turny passages; also, I have no ARM powerful enough for the task (yet) | 20:32 |
| lcuk | plenty are powerful, its just you have imposed a timelimit | 20:33 |
| slonopotamus | Jaffa, `emerge eclipse-sdk` :P what can be simpler? | 20:33 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: haha, no | 20:33 |
| wazd_ | ok, is there a screenshot with maemo5 file choser? | 20:34 |
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| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: I can't imagine that working | 20:34 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, why? | 20:34 |
| Luke-Jr | it's unreliable enough on desktop Gentoo | 20:34 |
| Luke-Jr | let alone with the memory constraints of a handheld | 20:34 |
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| slonopotamus | what 'it'? | 20:35 |
| Luke-Jr | eclipse-sdk ebuilds | 20:35 |
| Jaffa | wazd_: Only ones I know of are screenshots from the SDK | 20:35 |
| Razu | Hmm... any idea why gpe summary package doesn't seem to be available? | 20:35 |
| slonopotamus | noone said handheld. Jaffa said arm. | 20:35 |
| wazd_ | Jaffa: do you have one near?) | 20:35 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: :þ | 20:35 |
| Jaffa | wazd_: afraid not | 20:35 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: btw, do you have distfiles still? | 20:35 |
| slonopotamus | doesn't ubuntu have it prebuilt? | 20:35 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: we're needing pointercal and omapfb | 20:36 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, which? | 20:36 |
| Jaffa | slonopotamus: No, only x86_674 and x86 builds | 20:36 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: Mer pulled their source repo | 20:36 |
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| slonopotamus | argh | 20:37 |
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| slonopotamus | i knew i shouldn't trust their repo | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | what, pulled? no | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | the PSU died | 20:37 |
| slonopotamus | psu - ? | 20:38 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: no, it's obviously a Nokia conspiracy to get more people to upgrade to Maemo 5 devices | 20:38 |
| ShadowJK | let's complain to the manufacturer, it's a conspiracy! | 20:38 |
| ShadowJK | jinx... | 20:38 |
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| ShadowJK | it's stupid nobody competent is making sensibly-sized PSUs | 20:39 |
| jophish | gar, for some bizarre reason, nu n810 is resolving catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com as 1.0.0.0, my other computer resolves it properly | 20:40 |
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| jophish | using the same dns | 20:40 |
| jophish | no proxy involved | 20:40 |
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| Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: you plan to fix it? :þ | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | the psu? yes, when i have my exam over | 20:41 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, cleaned them up :( | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | but it might not stay forever, FYI | 20:41 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, still have nokia-tablets-pointercal_1.1.tar.gz ? | 20:41 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: ⁇ | 20:41 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: I asked him that a while ago | 20:41 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: if you get a login for build.opensuse.org it will be easily accessible for you :) | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: we're working on it exporting the sources automatically | 20:42 |
| slonopotamus | oh crap. okay | 20:42 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: as you may have noticed, I have a distfiles mirror now if you can get the files ☺ | 20:43 |
| Luke-Jr | I have a binary package dir too, but I don't have the infrastructure to ensure I comply with the GPL :< | 20:43 |
| Luke-Jr | so I can't make it public | 20:43 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, yep. sadly, my hosting plan isn't suitable for mirrors | 20:44 |
| slonopotamus | crap | 20:44 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: hosting plan? I've got it on my home cable connection | 20:44 |
| slonopotamus | well. we have a bit different worlds :) public ip (and, worse, static) are rare here | 20:45 |
| slonopotamus | http://www.bugmenot.com/view/build.opensuse.org | 20:46 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | now luke doesn't have any excuse.. | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:46 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: lol | 20:46 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, okaaay, logged in :) | 20:46 |
| Luke-Jr | I didn't even THINK of that | 20:47 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, bugmenot rocks :) | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: re 7. Modify XTerm with the latest patches, including full-screen overlay keyboard. .. didn't you sign up for making this happen when quim came and asked? | 20:48 |
| slonopotamus | ah, i remembered. b.o.o is unusable from microb. damn security alerts on _each_ page! can't they jjust fix their site? | 20:49 |
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| Luke-Jr | boo? | 20:50 |
| slonopotamus | ? | 20:51 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, https://build.opensuse.org/main/search_result?search_text=nokia-tablets-pointercal&x=0&y=0 | 20:51 |
| Luke-Jr | yes, I'm like 5 steps ahead of you :þ | 20:51 |
| Luke-Jr | it's on my mirror already XD | 20:52 |
| slonopotamus | :P | 20:52 |
| slonopotamus | that's because you have kb | 20:52 |
| Luke-Jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n8x0/distfiles/ | 20:52 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, so, small policy - never ever use mer repos? :) | 20:53 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: I left Mer repos in the ebuilds | 20:53 |
| Luke-Jr | just added my mirror | 20:53 |
| Luke-Jr | for failover | 20:53 |
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| slonopotamus | luke-jr, btw. kernel, again. vanilla or omap? | 20:54 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: omap | 20:54 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: Stskeeps is going to get some Nokia employee drunk enough to give us the code. | 20:55 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, what is present there but not in vanilla (and important for us)? | 20:55 |
| slonopotamus | what code? | 20:55 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: no idea, I just haven't tried vanilla | 20:55 |
| Luke-Jr | the GPS code | 20:55 |
| * slonopotamus doesn't have gps | 20:55 | |
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| slonopotamus | but you should be happy :) | 20:56 |
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| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: depends on how long he takes | 20:59 |
| lopz | hola | 20:59 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, how's your libcal, btw? | 20:59 |
| Luke-Jr | dunno, <.< | 21:00 |
| slonopotamus | uh? | 21:00 |
| Luke-Jr | not done | 21:00 |
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| slonopotamus | err | 21:06 |
| slonopotamus | # git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tmlind/linux-omap-2.6.git | 21:06 |
| slonopotamus | fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly | 21:06 |
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| thopiekar | X-Fade, other maemo.org admins: PING | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | quick, hide! | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 21:13 |
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| thopiekar | hehe | 21:13 |
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| thopiekar | hi VDVsx | 21:14 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 21:16 |
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| thopiekar | moin RST38h | 21:16 |
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| wazd_ | RST38h: heya | 21:29 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: I'm doing the concept of ideal file-chooser right now :) | 21:29 |
| inz | Objectivity is a virtue | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_: it's called Norton Commander. | 21:30 |
| wazd_ | Stskeeps: not manager, but chooser :) | 21:30 |
| wazd_ | Stskeeps: and I'm pretty fine with vista explorer btw :) | 21:31 |
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| Stskeeps | gah | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.maemo.org seems down | 21:47 |
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| lbt | yep... just noticed that | 21:50 |
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| jophish | thw whole maemo.org seems down | 22:13 |
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| Stskeeps | not talk :P | 22:13 |
| jophish | ah | 22:13 |
| jophish | very sharp | 22:14 |
| jophish | glad it's not just me | 22:14 |
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| lcuk | ~seen sopi | 22:17 |
| infobot | lcuk: i haven't seen 'sopi' | 22:17 |
| lcuk | damn still not here | 22:17 |
| Proteous | THE WORLD IS ENDING | 22:18 |
| Proteous | READY YOURSELF! | 22:18 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Still not got your phone? :P | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | Proteous: should i be worried i was listening after rumbling sound when you said that? | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:18 |
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| jophish | under maemo, is it possible to relocate /home (to the internal card), without installing the bootloader | 22:20 |
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| Proteous | Damnit Nokia, ship me my phone plz | 22:25 |
| Proteous | they did take the monies out of my account | 22:25 |
| Proteous | but no ship confirmation yet | 22:25 |
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| Proteous | still checking every 30 seconds... | 22:27 |
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| jophish | hmm, is there an easy way to take away the links to skype and other application links in the menu, I cant seem to delete them, | 22:28 |
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| jeremiah | seen X-Fade | 22:29 |
| lbt | jophish: install Mer.... ;) | 22:29 |
| wazd_ | looks like whole maemo.org gone down | 22:29 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | "panels"->status bar? | 22:29 |
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| lbt | I never got round to that ... irritates me still | 22:30 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | jophish, ^^^ | 22:30 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | err I mean task navigator -> applications has an "organize" button | 22:30 |
| jophish | yes | 22:30 |
| jophish | but I can't delete the links | 22:30 |
| lcuk | jeremiah, i think hes upto his armpits in full blown maemo collapse | 22:31 |
| jophish | mer seems like an option | 22:31 |
| lcuk | speaking of which, why arent you on a plane there now lol | 22:31 |
| lbt | jophish: apparently installing and uninstalling does it... | 22:31 |
| jeremiah | lcuk: I'm a debian guy, our servers don't crash. :P | 22:31 |
| jophish | ah | 22:31 |
| jophish | what about the games? | 22:32 |
| jeremiah | lcuk: When did maemo.org implode? | 22:32 |
| lbt | jeremiah: no, they just get opened to all comers... ;) | 22:32 |
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| jeremiah | lbt: I don't think so | 22:32 |
| lcuk | heh i dunno | 22:32 |
| * jeremiah hits lbt on the head with a moldy rind of bacon. | 22:32 | |
| lbt | debian/rules | 22:32 |
| lcuk | but people have been moaning about random bits half of the day | 22:32 |
| lcuk | bacon/rules | 22:32 |
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| lbt | my cat wants food... | 22:33 |
| jeremiah | heh | 22:33 |
| lbt | pass me the bacon | 22:33 |
| jeremiah | lbt: Funny, I just gave my cat some food. | 22:33 |
| jophish | jeremiah, I believe that maemo.org is a debian server | 22:33 |
| lbt | I think she heard you! | 22:33 |
| jeremiah | jophish: Well, kinda. :P | 22:33 |
| lcuk | then its downstream isp | 22:33 |
| lbt | she hears biscuits at 2000m | 22:33 |
| jeremiah | It is a virtual machine sitting in a cluster of servers | 22:33 |
| lbt | bbiab | 22:33 |
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| jophish | ah | 22:34 |
| lcuk | jeremiah, i decided, debian/ isnt as evil as autotools | 22:34 |
| jeremiah | Then it gets pushed out into the world with a CDN (akamai) | 22:34 |
| jeremiah | lcuk: autotools is much, much worse. | 22:34 |
| lcuk | yes | 22:34 |
| jeremiah | debian/ is pretty easy after a bit. | 22:34 |
| jeremiah | No black magic. | 22:34 |
| jeremiah | Just niggling little details. | 22:34 |
| lcuk | i have nearly got package working :$ but i have lost my on device dev kit, my scratchbox and I have grey hair now | 22:35 |
| lcuk | it is in fremantle autobuilder! | 22:35 |
| lcuk | but it doesnt show in app list apparantly :S | 22:35 |
| suihkulokki | since people are talking about what distro maemo.org is running, I take it I'm not the only one seeing it as down? ;) | 22:35 |
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| Stskeeps | the main 770 WSOD'ed | 22:36 |
| jeremiah | suihkulokki: No - apparently everyone knows but us. | 22:36 |
| lbt | cats fed | 22:37 |
| * lbt is so under the paw | 22:37 | |
| lcuk | ...to the lions | 22:37 |
| lbt | nah, she's eating too | 22:37 |
| lcuk | wicked :D | 22:37 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: I am building libQtWebKit.so with preliminary scrolling attempts | 22:39 |
| lbt | OK | 22:40 |
| Proteous | suihkulokki: maemo.org was running on maemo2 on a nokia 770 | 22:40 |
| fiferboy | It compiled the files I changed (after typo correction) but it will probably screw up totally. | 22:40 |
| lbt | just event tracking? | 22:40 |
| lbt | using my fingerscroller with child monitor? | 22:40 |
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| fiferboy | Yes, using your QASA code, modified to fit into QWebFrame (since scrollbars are accessed in a totally different way) | 22:41 |
| lbt | 'k | 22:41 |
| fiferboy | I cut out the child monitor for now to see if it even thinks about working, and because you apparently cannot just access qApp from within QWebFrame | 22:42 |
| lbt | ? | 22:42 |
| lbt | spooky | 22:42 |
| fiferboy | I think it is because the whole webkit part is a module and not in the core of Qt | 22:42 |
| fiferboy | It is under src/3rdparty/webkit/ | 22:43 |
| lbt | you sure you didn't just not #include <qApp> ? | 22:44 |
| fiferboy | That could be it | 22:44 |
| lbt | #include "qapplication.h" | 22:44 |
| lbt | is in qasa.cpp ;) | 22:44 |
| lbt | it is possibly bad form though | 22:45 |
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| fiferboy | That would likely fix it. There is very little from the Qt core included in QWebFrame, I think for a reason | 22:45 |
| lbt | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qwebframe.html says it's a QObject... | 22:46 |
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| lbt | but I guess no widget/gui toolkit stuff | 22:46 |
| parigaudi | hi | 22:46 |
| lbt | hi parigaudi | 22:46 |
| lcuk | lbt, bouncy overshooting sides | 22:47 |
| lcuk | how can you select text with side overshooting? | 22:47 |
| parigaudi | i can't get the camera example to build on diablo. | 22:47 |
| lcuk | ie if you grab it just moves entire thing | 22:47 |
| fiferboy | QtCore/qobject.h, QtCore/qurl.h, QtCore/qvariant.h, QtGui/qicon.h | 22:47 |
| lbt | lcuk: we have magic | 22:47 |
| JamieBen1ett | is maemo.org down? | 22:47 |
| fiferboy | Those are the only core/gui includes I can see | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it is | 22:47 |
| parigaudi | pkgconfig doesn't find a .pc for gstreamer-interfaces-0.10 | 22:47 |
| JamieBen1ett | oh dear | 22:47 |
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| parigaudi | how can i access the camera then? | 22:48 |
| lcuk | parigaudi, "find / -name gstreamer" and see if its there | 22:48 |
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| lbt | fiferboy: I've not even looked at the source yet | 22:48 |
| lcuk | if it is add the path to your PKG CONFIG path (whatever it is) | 22:48 |
| fiferboy | It takes a LONG time to build webkit | 22:48 |
| lbt | heh yes | 22:49 |
| lbt | qemu? | 22:49 |
| lbt | or native? | 22:49 |
| fiferboy | Scratchbox in a virtualbox session | 22:49 |
| lbt | Oh yes, | 22:49 |
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| * JamieBennett reinstalls scratchbox to see if all the hassle is due to a b0rked install | 22:50 | |
| lbt | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ | 22:50 |
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| JamieBennett | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/maemo.org | 22:52 |
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| lbt | yep ... just found that page... quite useful eh? | 22:52 |
| JamieBennett | yep | 22:52 |
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| qkall | hi i'm having a real problem getting my n810 into flash mode... | 22:54 |
| qkall | doing as instructed (i think) and alas nothing it just boots normally... | 22:54 |
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| wazd_ | power off - plug in usb - hold "home" - power on - continue to hold "home | 22:55 |
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| qkall | even when it boots normally? | 22:56 |
| wazd_ | yep | 22:56 |
| qkall | ok i just assumed after it boots normally it didn't work... will continue to hold... | 22:56 |
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| lcuk | qkall, if the usb icon isnt on at first and it starts to boot normally i think you are right and you have missed your window | 22:57 |
| lcuk | does the usb icon come on at all | 22:57 |
| lcuk | and if i were you i would try different key (the other one) just to be sure you arent going mad | 22:58 |
| qkall | no i hold it the entire time... nada... | 22:58 |
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| lcuk | is the cable plugged in at the other end... and is it into computer direct or usb hub | 22:58 |
| qkall | and it boots up to the normal sceen... i'm sure i'm doing something wrong.. but i can't see to figure it out... | 22:58 |
| qkall | ..hub... didn't think about that.. i'll put it in directly.. | 22:58 |
| qkall | nice!~ | 23:00 |
| JamieBennett | qkall Yep could be a power over USB issue | 23:00 |
| qkall | lcuk: thanks so much... i don't think i would of though of suck a simple fix | 23:00 |
| qkall | lol | 23:00 |
| JamieBennett | :) | 23:00 |
| lcuk | dont worry, ive spent longer with a duff n800 | 23:00 |
| qkall | haha and i just find out that my n810 came with diablo... | 23:01 |
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| qkall | i could of sworn i had to update it to diablo... | 23:01 |
| qkall | well learn new crap everyday... | 23:01 |
| lcuk | i wonder if the new devices will come with music | 23:01 |
| qkall | i personally have no interest in the n900 simply because verizon has crappy signal where i live... | 23:02 |
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| lcuk | feh i will just have whatever is in front of me at the time, 8x0 is good enough to run stuff i want, so its a nice base :) | 23:03 |
| mavhc | you can't use someone else? | 23:03 |
| lcuk | the idea of the always on data though is a big draw to 900 | 23:04 |
| mavhc | the idea of paying for data is a big undraw | 23:04 |
| qkall | agreed^ | 23:04 |
| lcuk | depends on whether you value your data :) | 23:05 |
| lcuk | i nearly lost an entire weekend coming back from copenhagen last week | 23:05 |
| qkall | i got all excided to find out of a new device when i realized i could finally afford one (yay jobs) | 23:05 |
| lcuk | all my data was locked in a corrupt memory card | 23:05 |
| qkall | then found out its with verizon phone stuff... | 23:05 |
| mavhc | I value 2TB/$40, that's what my cable internet costs | 23:06 |
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| avraam | hi | 23:06 |
| avraam | is there anyway to make Tear the default browser on the n810? | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | i wish | 23:07 |
| mavhc | that makes mobile data about 360 times more expensive than cable | 23:07 |
| lcuk | cant you just kill/maim browserd | 23:07 |
| lcuk | and add a new browser | 23:07 |
| qkall | kind of a side note... i like the change in the linux community.. when i first started to get into it... it was full of elitist and snobs.. but now.. everyone is so friendly... generally anyway... | 23:07 |
| lcuk | which mimics calls | 23:07 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk: do you mean "comes with music", the as-much-DRMd-music-you-want scheme? | 23:10 |
| lcuk | yeah :) | 23:10 |
| parigaudi | find found lots of gstreamer stuff but nothing gstreamer-interfaces | 23:10 |
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| Macer | blah | 23:10 |
| lcuk | parigaudi, apt-cache search gstreamer | 23:10 |
| Macer | waiting for my gf at a park | 23:10 |
| lcuk | and see which -dev lib you are missing | 23:11 |
| wazd_ | http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/06/10/fremantle-ui-file-chooser/ | 23:11 |
| ShadowJK | My N810 came with 3 songs and 2 music videos, I guess that doesn't count :) | 23:11 |
| wazd_ | Are first and last images OK for you? | 23:11 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd_: you're lacking a search bar there | 23:12 |
| lcuk | ffs wazd_ its a file selector - why not just do what liqbase does and INSTANTLY search when you press a key | 23:12 |
| lcuk | the intuitive expected thing | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | maybe in the chooser | 23:12 |
| wazd_ | what bout images first?) | 23:12 |
| wazd_ | ok, they are there | 23:13 |
| wazd_ | wierd bug with FF | 23:13 |
| lcuk | a user wouldnt click the scrollbar and expect to search | 23:14 |
| wazd_ | lcuk: he would expect to scroll, right :) | 23:14 |
| lcuk | yeah, so let him scroll | 23:15 |
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| wazd_ | lcuk: well, in such small window items will pass by too fast. It's the same scrolling but made not for scrolling act but for finding something | 23:16 |
| lcuk | if the ui changes drastically like that it makes it harder to see, he has already focused on the numbers to realise he is nowhere near where he wants to be | 23:16 |
| lcuk | finding is as simple as reducing the list when you type | 23:17 |
| wazd_ | lcuk: typing sucks :) I don't want to pull out the keyboard :) | 23:17 |
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| parigaudi | the only two -dev packages that show up there are libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev and libgstreamer0.10-dev , both of which are already installed at the newest version | 23:18 |
| lcuk | wazd_, if typing sucks, none of us would be here, theres a reason we have keyboards on our devices now ;) | 23:19 |
| wazd_ | lcuk: and anyway, if I'll want to find something starting with "P", I really don't want "porn" to show off in this list | 23:19 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Looks like my compile isn't going to finish anytime soon | 23:20 |
| lcuk | wazd_, you are already going to the P bits lol | 23:20 |
| fiferboy | I'll let you know how it went tomorrow, but I am not holding out any great hope | 23:20 |
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| lbt | np... let me know | 23:21 |
| fiferboy | Will do | 23:22 |
| lcuk | wazd_, the only reason why i am talking like this is because its in the liqbase-playground now and it works so nicely :$ | 23:22 |
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| lcuk | its a really efficient way to sort through lots of data | 23:22 |
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| wazd_ | lcuk: let's imagine you don't know what's the name of the file | 23:24 |
| lcuk | then you just scroll down | 23:24 |
| wazd_ | lcuk: it's #542 in the list :) | 23:24 |
| lcuk | i guarantee that your mechism wont work in real life - theres very few folders all neatly numbered, what kind of logic would you use to determine the changing part | 23:25 |
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| lcuk | then type 542 | 23:25 |
| wazd_ | lcuk: In fact it works. Silgtly less advanced but works | 23:25 |
| lcuk | the human eye can keep up with a scrolling screen and if they are already looking for certain details it can be stopped easily | 23:26 |
| wazd_ | lcuk: and not in liqbase :D | 23:26 |
| lcuk | thats the same in RL with flipping through book pages | 23:26 |
| lcuk | wazd_ :) the algo to detect changing part of a set of files will be flying around everywhere in a normal filesystem | 23:27 |
| mavhc | I don't get the last paragraph | 23:27 |
| wazd_ | ah\ | 23:28 |
| wazd_ | crap | 23:28 |
| wazd_ | button = letter | 23:28 |
| * wazd_ wonders how to edit this without "save" button :) | 23:28 | |
| wazd_ | oh! | 23:29 |
| wazd_ | Wordpress has fixed my blog! | 23:29 |
| aquatix | ah? | 23:30 |
| wazd_ | Well, there is a block with "publish/update" buttons in the editing panel. For almost a year it was gone in my blog :) | 23:31 |
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| lcuk | wazd_, what would be nice is speed based scaling - so as you scroll down quickly it pans out slightly to let you see more overall files | 23:32 |
| mavhc | that's interesting | 23:33 |
| mavhc | or just multitouch zooming | 23:33 |
| lcuk | two touch allows it on these devices | 23:33 |
| lcuk | i keep pondering a CTRL key | 23:33 |
| lcuk | in the corner | 23:33 |
| lcuk | and when you swipe over any list it changes the scale | 23:34 |
| lcuk | but i never get any time for stuff like that :) | 23:34 |
| mavhc | seen the palm pre selection thing, it's weird | 23:34 |
| wazd_ | iriver have made something like this I think | 23:34 |
| lcuk | pass, cant remember much of the vids | 23:35 |
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| parigaudi | oddly enough a google for keywords "libgstreamer-interfaces maemo irc" leads me to an old log of this channel where inz says: | 23:36 |
| parigaudi | " Diablo's libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev didn't include .pc for gstreamer-interfaces and diablo doesn't have playbin2 -element, otherwise it seems to work just fine " | 23:36 |
| lcuk | heh - i expected you to say "<inz> i googled for "libgstreamer-interfaces maemo irc" but found nothing" | 23:37 |
| parigaudi | lol | 23:37 |
| lcuk | parigaudi, its even worse when you google a topic to realize it was indexed from the topic you made yourself just a few minutes before | 23:37 |
| lcuk | happened on slashdot enough times to freak me out | 23:38 |
| parigaudi | the thing is: it's not a problem in _my_ installation but a missing file in a package it seems | 23:38 |
| parigaudi | and while inz had the same prob as me it seems, the irc log doesn't give a solution as to where i can get this file | 23:39 |
| lcuk | do you need the .pc file | 23:39 |
| lcuk | it must be available you know | 23:40 |
| parigaudi | well, i need to develop something using the camera, so i was trying to start with the camera example | 23:41 |
| lcuk | cos looking in my liqbase makefile it uses pkg-config with gstreamer-0.10 | 23:41 |
| lcuk | yeah liqbase does camera stuffs too | 23:41 |
| parigaudi | i have no probs with the other gstreamer modules tho, only gstreamer-interfaces | 23:41 |
| lcuk | libgstreamer0.10-dev is marked as a build-dep | 23:42 |
| parigaudi | that one is installed | 23:42 |
| parigaudi | and it contains 5 .pc files but not for gstreamer-interfaces | 23:43 |
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| lcuk | pass, it gets the camera data without it | 23:44 |
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| lcuk | theres plenty of camera using examples around, its not like the camera is unloved | 23:44 |
| lcuk | what do you need -interfaces for | 23:44 |
| parigaudi | the camera example seems to need it | 23:45 |
| parigaudi | maybe it's just in the makefile and not really used | 23:45 |
| parigaudi | i'll try to throw that one out | 23:45 |
| parigaudi | or link the library by hand | 23:45 |
| parigaudi | it's just that make example_camera fails because of that dependency | 23:46 |
| lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-barcode/ | 23:46 |
| lcuk | maemo barcode is a gtk app | 23:46 |
| lcuk | its got v similar deps as liqbase and works with camera | 23:46 |
| lcuk | and no -interfaces requirement i can see | 23:46 |
| lcuk | -lgstinterfaces-0.10 | 23:47 |
| lcuk | heh yes it does | 23:47 |
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| parigaudi | but directly, not via pkgconfig | 23:47 |
| lcuk | CDEBUG=-g | 23:47 |
| lcuk | # libgstinterfaces-0.10 is defined here to work around | 23:47 |
| lcuk | # a bug in gstreamer's pkg-config | 23:47 |
| lcuk | LDFLAGS=`pkg-config --libs $(LIBRARIES)` -lgstinterfaces-0.10 | 23:47 |
| parigaudi | aaah | 23:47 |
| parigaudi | lol | 23:47 |
| * lcuk never put that fix into liqbase | 23:48 | |
| lcuk | i dont think its required | 23:48 |
| lcuk | but maybe lol | 23:48 |
| * lcuk chopped a lot out of the cam | 23:48 | |
| parigaudi | funny thing, that maemo-barcode thing looks quite like what i was about to do | 23:48 |
| keesj | will qt on maemo give some pressure information when touched? | 23:49 |
| lcuk | well thats good then :) | 23:49 |
| parigaudi | though i was going for 2d barcodes with zxing | 23:49 |
| parigaudi | that part works and i basically only need to put a camera capture in front of it | 23:49 |
| lcuk | keesj, lbt and fiferboy should be able to tell you | 23:49 |
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| keesj | QTabletEvents are able to get the pressure value from the touchscreen. | 23:50 |
| keesj | there is something I guess | 23:50 |
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| lcuk | cool | 23:51 |
| lcuk | parigaudi, how well does it run on device | 23:52 |
| lcuk | being java and all that | 23:52 |
| jeremiah | http://test.maemo.org/cgi-bin/itp.cgi <------ Prototype for ITP | 23:52 |
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| Stskeeps | woo | 23:52 |
| jeremiah | Can people test? ^^ | 23:52 |
| jeremiah | Please, no comments about the colors. :P | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | where's the orange! | 23:53 |
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| jeremiah | Stskeeps: Yeah, it needs more orange. :) | 23:53 |
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| lcuk | is this a legal binding agreement lol | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | i will do dummy stuff, if it's okay | 23:53 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah: works so far | 23:54 |
| jeremiah | w00t | 23:54 |
| lcuk | jeremiah, | 23:54 |
| jeremiah | lcuk: Whaddya mean? | 23:54 |
| lcuk | when they give a package name | 23:54 |
| lcuk | and you want them to confirm | 23:55 |
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| lcuk | dont let them change it | 23:55 |
| keesj | cool typing "lua" gives some "exstings" comments stuff | 23:55 |
| jeremiah | Ah, you think they _shouldn't_ be able to change it? | 23:55 |
| keesj | the interface is a little "web 1.0" :p | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | keesj: everything involved debian packages is usually web1.0 | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:55 |
| Proteous | web 0.5 | 23:55 |
| lcuk | no, if you need a confirmation screen have it as a label rather than a text box | 23:55 |
| Proteous | AOL 8.7 | 23:55 |
| jeremiah | keesj: Yeah, I wanted people not to package stuff twice. | 23:56 |
| jeremiah | lcuk: Yeah, you're probably right. | 23:56 |
| jeremiah | Hey, I _love_ web .25 - that was all I needed! | 23:56 |
| lcuk | 1 Packages already in maemo with a name like hello : | 23:56 |
| lcuk | othello | 23:56 |
| lcuk | Othello board game for Maemo | 23:56 |
| jeremiah | Cool, it works. | 23:57 |
| Proteous | LYNXs FTW! | 23:57 |
| lcuk | '; delete from user; | 23:57 |
| Proteous | heh | 23:57 |
| jeremiah | No 'user' in the db! | 23:57 |
| jeremiah | :P | 23:57 |
| Pavlov | n/win 38 | 23:57 |
| lcuk | jeremiah, i '; delete from user; | 23:57 |
| lcuk | crap | 23:57 |
| keesj | also when I "confirm" I gues the field should not be editable | 23:57 |
| Proteous | '; delete * from users where username="lcuk"; | 23:58 |
| jeremiah | keesj: Yeah, lcuk mentioned that too. | 23:58 |
| lcuk | the screen is too similar | 23:58 |
| lcuk | and because you dont have the "you already have this package" warning | 23:58 |
| jeremiah | Proteous: Also won't work. :) | 23:58 |
| jeremiah | I'll change it now . . . | 23:58 |
| Proteous | '; drop tables *; | 23:59 |
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| lcuk | ' or 1=0 or ' | 23:59 |
| lcuk | makes the db go funny | 23:59 |
| Proteous | heh | 23:59 |
| jeremiah | Perl sanitizes the input. | 23:59 |
| lcuk | or we slasdhotted it | 23:59 |
| jeremiah | works for me! | 23:59 |
| lcuk | heh | 23:59 |
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