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| Tu13es | can i use the n800 camera for any type of n800-to-pc video chat? | 00:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | gizmo | 00:06 |
| Tu13es | hm | 00:06 |
| Tu13es | that it? | 00:06 |
| timeless_mbp | or a windows beta client | 00:06 |
| timeless_mbp | or anything which supports the codec used by the n800 thing | 00:06 |
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| Tu13es | hmm | 00:07 |
| SHADOW_V | the quality of the camera is pretty bad | 00:10 |
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| Tu13es | yeah | 00:19 |
| Tu13es | it'd just be so nice if it worked with skype :( | 00:20 |
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| pupnik | new dosbox build by javispedro with dynrec dynamic x86->arm recompiler and hildonization! | 00:30 |
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| RST38h | 306MB of logs and counting... | 00:38 |
| RST38h | pupnik: You and qwerty should really place stuff into Extras... | 00:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Oh, the real fun would be in attempting to read them | 00:38 |
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| RST38h | heheh, the Congress is taking money out of NASA's manned space flight program | 00:41 |
| RST38h | No starships for you, earthlings =) | 00:41 |
| Proteous | Damnit Nokia, ship me my phone plz | 00:43 |
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| RST38h | Proteous: what phone? | 00:46 |
| RST38h | "I did some Craigslist postings to advertise it, and I very quickly got an audience of about 50,000 viewers a month," says Matt Goodman, an advertising executive in Atlanta who had no trouble attracting an audience to his site, Things My Dog Ate, leading to some small advertising deals. "I think I made about $20 from readers clicking on the ads." | 00:51 |
| RST38h | advertising executive...mhm | 00:51 |
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| Proteous | RST38h: n97 | 01:04 |
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| b-man16 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=294762#post294762 -- Ejscript released for Maemo and Mer - check it out :D | 01:09 |
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| pupnik_ | :) :) :) :) | 01:56 |
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| pupnik_ | reeeejoice! | 01:57 |
| lbt | Yay! | 01:57 |
| * lbt has no idea why but doesn't want to spoil the mood | 01:57 | |
| pupnik_ | :) | 01:57 |
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| pupnik_ | it has been over a year we wait for a faster dosbox | 01:58 |
| lbt | why do we care? | 01:58 |
| lbt | is it used as the base for some apps? | 02:00 |
| pupnik_ | dunno - emulation is one area where the old virtues are kept alive | 02:00 |
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| chx | http://twitter.com/chx1975/status/2082461518 woohoo <3 my N810 | 02:00 |
| pupnik_ | besides lbt, the devs wrote a new dynamic recompiler to runtime-convert x86 to ARM | 02:03 |
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| pupnik_ | and they rewrote the yamaha fmopl2 and 3 | 02:04 |
| pupnik_ | 3>7)!594 | 02:04 |
| pupnik_ | cores | 02:04 |
| lbt | OK.. cool :) | 02:05 |
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| pupnik_ | so now a few games that were unplayable seem to be playable | 02:08 |
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| chx | runtime-convert x86 to ARM | 02:10 |
| chx | WHAT? | 02:10 |
| chx | that sounds scary | 02:10 |
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| pupnik__ | :) | 02:37 |
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| fiferboy_n810 | lbt: You around? | 03:06 |
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| n6pfk | I can't gain write permission on the external nand. Any suggextions? | 03:08 |
| n6pfk | sugestions? | 03:09 |
| pupnik__ | works by default | 03:11 |
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| chx | good you remind me i wanted to download the easy debian on the new 8gb sd card i put in | 03:13 |
| pupnik__ | maybe the write-protect slider on the card is locked n6pfk | 03:14 |
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| n6pfk | Then it locked itself, but I'll look. | 03:19 |
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| Macer | wow. i'm sorry but... | 04:36 |
| Macer | ubuntu kinda sucks | 04:36 |
| Macer | :) | 04:36 |
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| luke-jr | of course, it's GNOME-based | 04:41 |
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| Tu13es | hm | 04:50 |
| Tu13es | what can I use my n800 for connected to my PC via bluetooth? | 04:50 |
| zakkm | bluez? | 04:51 |
| zakkm | or builtin bluetooth? | 04:51 |
| Tu13es | hm? | 04:51 |
| Tu13es | I connected it to my mac | 04:51 |
| Tu13es | but not sure what I can do with it | 04:52 |
| zakkm | Tu13es: just file sharing | 04:52 |
| zakkm | i think | 04:52 |
| Tu13es | ah | 04:52 |
| zakkm | heh i got mac too :) | 04:52 |
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| Tu13es | i'm trying to find some new use for my n800 | 04:55 |
| Tu13es | it sat on myd resser for about a year | 04:55 |
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| Tu13es | heh | 04:55 |
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| yigal | what kind of use? | 05:03 |
| zakkm | Tu13es: give it to me :D | 05:03 |
| pupnik__ | how does a browser know when to pan. and when to hilight text? | 05:03 |
| zakkm | Tu13es: nah, install mplayer on it.. and Tear. it will be a nice portable browser + "legit" download watching of movies/shows | 05:04 |
| yigal | use its analog radio with external speakers? | 05:04 |
| pupnik__ | or how do i hilight text in tear | 05:04 |
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| Tu13es | iunno | 05:04 |
| Tu13es | I just don't have much use for it anymore | 05:05 |
| Tu13es | I'd love to use it for a bedside clock or something | 05:05 |
| Tu13es | there aren't many good clock apps though | 05:05 |
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| zakkm | Tu13es: flip clock does amazinggg :D | 05:05 |
| Tu13es | it's alright | 05:05 |
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| Tu13es | a bit buggy IME | 05:08 |
| Tu13es | and I'd like a little more customizaiton | 05:08 |
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| elninja | hmm... When I enable host mode and connect this USB hub. It gives me an error about the hub not being supported, then an error saying "unable to connect, no file system available." and then it hangs/reboots a minute later... | 05:38 |
| zakkm | can you check dmesg in that time? | 05:40 |
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| elninja | just tried again, and this time it locked up right when the error saying "unable to connect [...]" occurred | 05:48 |
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| elninja | This time I'll run "tail -f /var/log/dmesg" just before plugging it in and see if I can get any output before it hangs | 05:50 |
| pupnik__ | see if it's the hub | 05:50 |
| zakkm | the hub isnt plugged in right? | 05:50 |
| zakkm | like besides nokia? | 05:50 |
| pupnik__ | try w/o hub | 05:51 |
| Macer | just got rid of kubuntu and re-installed opensolaris on this box | 05:51 |
| zakkm | mac | 05:51 |
| zakkm | Macer: eww | 05:51 |
| Macer | screw ubuntu. i don't know what there is about it but there seems something wrong haha | 05:51 |
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| zakkm | Macer: did you see the snow leopard news today? :D | 05:51 |
| Macer | ? | 05:51 |
| Macer | that it will support any PC? | 05:51 |
| zakkm | Macer: 85%+ boost on snow leopard | 05:51 |
| Macer | lol.. i had this theory that OS developers just put in a timer to slow it down on purpose | 05:52 |
| zakkm | they cut whole install size to 6gb :D | 05:52 |
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| Macer | with zfs boot support? | 05:52 |
| Macer | :) | 05:52 |
| zakkm | noo | 05:52 |
| zakkm | no news yet on zfs | 05:52 |
| zakkm | its not over yet | 05:52 |
| zakkm | few days more still | 05:52 |
| Macer | heh | 05:52 |
| zakkm | Macer: the whole OS is 64bit now, that helped speed a bit | 05:52 |
| Macer | i know i'v seen quite a few builds out there for it but i haven't tried any of them | 05:52 |
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| zakkm | and apps are really slimmed, so its less data read / open quicker.. etc | 05:53 |
| zakkm | few builds lol | 05:53 |
| elninja | I'm trying to use an external wifi adapter. I'm just trying to connect the hub right now, and it's having this problem. | 05:53 |
| zakkm | nothing in comparison to wwdc one | 05:53 |
| Macer | wow really? | 05:53 |
| elninja | I need the hub to poewr the adapter, since the n810 doesn't provide more than like 30mW | 05:53 |
| zakkm | always | 05:53 |
| Macer | are they going to phase out 32bit too? | 05:53 |
| Macer | :) | 05:53 |
| zakkm | yeah | 05:53 |
| zakkm | no 32bit support | 05:53 |
| Macer | good | 05:53 |
| zakkm | no ppc | 05:53 |
| Macer | heh | 05:53 |
| Macer | someone should have done that a long time ago | 05:53 |
| Macer | :) | 05:53 |
| zakkm | Macer: they never have anything before WWDC in all its betas beforehand | 05:54 |
| Macer | waiting for MS to do it next | 05:54 |
| zakkm | lol | 05:54 |
| zakkm | win7 was going to be 64-bit only | 05:54 |
| Macer | God knows there won't be a linux distro that is 32bit only :) | 05:54 |
| zakkm | but they changed tehir mind | 05:54 |
| Macer | zakkm: bastards | 05:54 |
| zakkm | lol | 05:54 |
| Macer | i'm glad apple is doing it | 05:54 |
| zakkm | linux is for legacy stuff mainly | 05:54 |
| Macer | i know | 05:54 |
| Macer | with its mwave support | 05:54 |
| Macer | lol | 05:54 |
| zakkm | but yeah nice speed boosts so far :P | 05:54 |
| Macer | i always thought someone should branch it off so that there were kernels with hardware past 10 years | 05:54 |
| zakkm | ew | 05:54 |
| Macer | and a kernel without | 05:55 |
| zakkm | you should use parallels in mac osx | 05:55 |
| Macer | parallels? | 05:55 |
| zakkm | ??? | 05:55 |
| Macer | wtf is that.. another vbox? | 05:55 |
| Macer | :) | 05:55 |
| zakkm | 2.4 kernel vs 2.6 .. | 05:55 |
| zakkm | 2.4 has all the drivers.. 2.6 doesnt | 05:55 |
| Macer | sounds virtualish | 05:55 |
| zakkm | no | 05:55 |
| Macer | oh really? | 05:55 |
| zakkm | linux kernel 2.4 vs 2.6 | 05:55 |
| Macer | yeah it does | 05:55 |
| Macer | haha | 05:55 |
| Macer | it has been a while but i'm pretty sure 2.6 still has a ton of archaic hardware support | 05:55 |
| zakkm | well thats what your saying like.. a kernel with and a kernel without | 05:55 |
| Macer | like mwave support :) that one really cracked me up | 05:56 |
| zakkm | been along time since ive used 2.4 | 05:56 |
| Macer | have you ever tried to get an mwave working? | 05:56 |
| Macer | in WINDOWS? :) | 05:56 |
| zakkm | Macer: i was a idiot hah thought the TLUG was today, but its tomorrow :) | 05:56 |
| zakkm | got someone going to help me out when i get there :D | 05:56 |
| Macer | wtf is tlug? | 05:56 |
| zakkm | toronto linux user group :D | 05:56 |
| Macer | oh lord | 05:56 |
| zakkm | lol | 05:56 |
| Macer | good luck. i'm going to show you no pitty if you get raped | 05:56 |
| zakkm | vmware for windows, of course | 05:56 |
| zakkm | ? | 05:56 |
| Macer | and i mean.. physically anally raped :) | 05:57 |
| zakkm | why the hell would i get raped? | 05:57 |
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| Macer | cmon. don't we learn anything from the news.. where the poor unsuspecting teenager goes to meet "an online friend." | 05:57 |
| zakkm | lol | 05:57 |
| zakkm | i went to the airport before to pickup my friend from mexico :D | 05:57 |
| Macer | and BAM! raped and scarred for life :) | 05:57 |
| zakkm | i meet online ppl tons of times :P | 05:57 |
| zakkm | lol | 05:58 |
| zakkm | i always wondered | 05:58 |
| zakkm | to be honest ive always wondered why would anyone do that | 05:58 |
| zakkm | spend all the time going online, meeting someone, making sure they are near/ go there.. do all that stuff | 05:58 |
| zakkm | just go outside -.- wait outside till someone passes by -.- | 05:58 |
| zakkm | not that i do that, ive just always wondered the internet 'predator' thing | 05:59 |
| Macer | zakkm: because they think it's harder to trace | 05:59 |
| Macer | haven't you seen to catch a pervert? :) | 05:59 |
| zakkm | no? | 05:59 |
| Macer | with the dude that lures online perverts to the video cameras? it is a damn riot | 05:59 |
| zakkm | that like 5min short? | 05:59 |
| Macer | out of 50 people that replied to "a teenage girl" ... | 05:59 |
| Macer | wanting to have sex with her... 49 of them showed up and were arrested | 05:59 |
| Macer | hahha | 05:59 |
| zakkm | hahh | 05:59 |
| zakkm | i gotta see that | 06:00 |
| Macer | omg.. one of the guys had a chance | 06:00 |
| Macer | he had a real good bullshit story | 06:00 |
| Macer | "No.. i just wanted to talk to her and tell her that what she was doing is dangerous." | 06:00 |
| zakkm | any chance you could link me up ? :D | 06:00 |
| Macer | but then he had a bag full of liquor and condoms hahahaha | 06:00 |
| Macer | doh! | 06:00 |
| Macer | he still tried though. "Those condoms were for her so she could be safe and I got myself something to drink also." | 06:00 |
| Macer | :) | 06:00 |
| zakkm | hah | 06:01 |
| Macer | uhm.. let me see... | 06:01 |
| Macer | http://www.youtube.com/user/slickslickster?blend=1&ob=4 | 06:02 |
| Macer | there's one of them :) | 06:02 |
| Macer | it's actually to catch a predator :) | 06:02 |
| zakkm | ah no wonder | 06:03 |
| zakkm | its US tv | 06:03 |
| Macer | lol | 06:03 |
| Macer | it's great | 06:03 |
| zakkm | yeah watching | 06:03 |
| Macer | that isn't a real good one. the best one is the one where they had cops arresting them | 06:03 |
| Macer | the ones that run out and get tackled hahhaha | 06:03 |
| Macer | omg i was cracking up | 06:03 |
| zakkm | find ittt plzz ;D | 06:04 |
| Macer | i think that dude is a little retarded | 06:04 |
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| Macer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBlyAxdvBfo | 06:05 |
| Macer | that one is better ) | 06:05 |
| Macer | :) | 06:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | My nutty mother bought a Kindle | 06:05 |
| zakkm | GeneralAntilles: just the guy i wanted to see | 06:05 |
| zakkm | i really need your help | 06:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hmm? | 06:06 |
| Macer | like... the little parts where they have the actors playing out the chats cracks me up | 06:06 |
| zakkm | GeneralAntilles: TLUG event tomorrow, some have n800/770s want to show them mer especially cause one guy has OS2006 installed hah, and i got like maemo on my SD card right, so i was wondering how can i install mer on jffs2, without reflashing/reinstalling bootmenu/loader | 06:06 |
| zakkm | like flash mer to jffs2 without initfs ? | 06:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flasher | 06:06 |
| infobot | somebody said flasher was http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 06:06 |
| zakkm | what would i do though? | 06:06 |
| zakkm | is it rootfs then? | 06:06 |
| zakkm | would that work well? | 06:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | flasher-3.0 -r <mer.jffs2 image> -f -R | 06:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure if it'll boot with the stock initfs, though | 06:07 |
| zakkm | i want to keep my maemo on sd card though | 06:07 |
| zakkm | and have it dualboot | 06:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | -r will only have it flash the rootfs partition | 06:07 |
| zakkm | oh | 06:07 |
| * pupnik__ still testing new dosbox --- way nicer | 06:07 | |
| zakkm | that will work ? and it would just open mer instead of maemo | 06:08 |
| zakkm | when i use internal ? | 06:08 |
| zakkm | first choice in bootmenu? | 06:08 |
| ds3 | nicer? does it use the normal OSK now? | 06:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, I think you need the Mer bootmenu. | 06:08 |
| zakkm | GeneralAntilles: i use that :P hah | 06:08 |
| pupnik__ | faster, sound skips less, has an icon | 06:08 |
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| zakkm | i had mer on SD card.. then deleted sd card and cloned maemo to it | 06:08 |
| pupnik__ | it can not use normal osk ds3 | 06:09 |
| zakkm | and messed with boot item i think | 06:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, then, yes, it should. | 06:09 |
| zakkm | GeneralAntilles: also, according to mer chatter may 31st , it says 0.14testing2 exists.. where would ifind that link | 06:09 |
| zakkm | and is there jffs2 for it? | 06:09 |
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| zakkm | or should i get 0.13 ? | 06:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 06:09 |
| zakkm | 0.13 seems old | 06:10 |
| EdLin | I'm getting my Nokia Internet Tablet in the mail tomorrow. | 06:11 |
| EdLin | actually, fedex | 06:11 |
| zakkm | :D | 06:12 |
| zakkm | wooh which one | 06:12 |
| EdLin | n810 | 06:12 |
| zakkm | GeneralAntilles: alrighty, thanks!! :D | 06:12 |
| zakkm | Macer: this is awesome hah :P | 06:12 |
| zakkm | so it actually illegal to do, or just the whole sex attempt part? | 06:12 |
| Macer | i don't know actually | 06:13 |
| Macer | i mean REALLY.. the girl wasn't 13 | 06:13 |
| Macer | she was 19 | 06:13 |
| Macer | so any good lawyer could get the guy off :) | 06:13 |
| Macer | she is hot as hell too | 06:13 |
| Macer | the one they use as the decoy haha | 06:14 |
| zakkm | damn | 06:14 |
| Macer | i mean i wouldn't try to hook up with a 13 yr old.. but shit.. if i met her and knew she was 19 | 06:14 |
| Macer | :) | 06:14 |
| Macer | i'd be talking to her for real hahaha | 06:14 |
| zakkm | no i mean like | 06:14 |
| zakkm | meeting ppl from online? | 06:14 |
| Macer | told you | 06:14 |
| Macer | PERVERTS | 06:14 |
| zakkm | lol | 06:14 |
| Macer | haven't you ever checked craigslist? | 06:14 |
| Macer | :) | 06:15 |
| EdLin | anyone have some advice about a first-time n810 user? | 06:15 |
| zakkm | im just curious cause i do it quite often, and wondering if i could get myself in legal shit | 06:15 |
| EdLin | s/about/for/ | 06:15 |
| infobot | EdLin meant: anyone have some advice for a first-time n810 user? | 06:15 |
| Macer | there are 240 ppl here.. i bet at least 10% of them are online perverts | 06:15 |
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| EdLin | this sounds like an interesting conversation, but I have a few NIT questions since my first one is arriving tomorrow. | 06:16 |
| Macer | sure | 06:16 |
| Macer | haha | 06:16 |
| Macer | like? | 06:17 |
| zakkm | EdLin: how old are you? | 06:17 |
| EdLin | I know first thing I should do with it is to update the firmware, and get Tear. What else? | 06:17 |
| zakkm | MPLAYER :D | 06:17 |
| EdLin | zakkm: 13 but I look 19. | 06:17 |
| EdLin | zakkm: j/k | 06:17 |
| Macer | you should get an SD and boot from it | 06:17 |
| zakkm | EdLin: seriously.. no like are you a teenager, would you need to know music programs? | 06:17 |
| zakkm | are you a older technician, would you want like openssh ? | 06:18 |
| EdLin | I'm 39, but like music. | 06:18 |
| zakkm | are you going to read with it? | 06:18 |
| zakkm | fbreader/liqbase? | 06:18 |
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| EdLin | I'm going to do lots of stuff with it, I'm a geek. | 06:18 |
| Macer | EdLin: normal mplayer on it is fine actually. i mean you can get other things if you want. but like i said. the first thing you should do is learn to boot from the internal SD | 06:18 |
| Macer | if you are going to use it a lot it is a good thing to do | 06:18 |
| EdLin | Macer: OK, how do I do that? I got a mini SD card ahead of time.... | 06:19 |
| Macer | the internal flash is very limited in space and it is fairly easy to do | 06:19 |
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| Macer | hm.. forgot where the site is... but i'm sure you can just google "Boot nokia internet tablet from SD" | 06:19 |
| Macer | and find it rather quickly | 06:19 |
| zakkm | EdLin: you know mer/ gentoo port? | 06:19 |
| EdLin | zakkm: I've heard of Mer, but am not sure what it is. | 06:19 |
| zakkm | do you like gentoo? | 06:19 |
| zakkm | like desktop gentoo? | 06:20 |
| EdLin | no | 06:20 |
| EdLin | it makes my Mac mini's fans whir too much. ;-) | 06:20 |
| EdLin | I liked Slackware though, back when I had a PC. | 06:21 |
| EdLin | I actually have a PC, a Dell mini 9, running Linux usually, but I'm selling it and getting the NIT. | 06:22 |
| * EdLin notices a silence gripping the room from bringing up Apple | 06:22 | |
| zakkm | im the biggest mac fanboy there is :D | 06:22 |
| zakkm | see the WWDC news today? | 06:22 |
| zakkm | EdLin: most people here have macbooks ;p | 06:23 |
| EdLin | yeah. Loved the new macs, felt meh about the new iPhone though. It has features in PalmOS 2005 that they're bragging about. ;-) | 06:23 |
| zakkm | i meant snow leopard :D | 06:24 |
| zakkm | cant wait | 06:24 |
| zakkm | still using 10.5.6 hah | 06:24 |
| EdLin | oh yeah, Snow Leo for $29. | 06:24 |
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| zakkm | heh im on a 100% supported hackintosh | 06:24 |
| zakkm | :P | 06:24 |
| EdLin | I'm cool with that, I did that to my dell mini 9. | 06:25 |
| zakkm | awesome | 06:25 |
| pupnik__ | is palmos or epoc cooler | 06:25 |
| EdLin | pupnik__: palmos | 06:25 |
| EdLin | 30,000 applications, ftw | 06:25 |
| pupnik__ | oh ya | 06:25 |
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| pupnik__ | epoc on the psion netbook was the fastest thing i used | 06:27 |
| pupnik__ | but limited good apps i guess | 06:27 |
| zakkm | Macer: wow that guy runs fast | 06:28 |
| Macer | lol. which one? | 06:29 |
| zakkm | the link one | 06:29 |
| zakkm | where the guy runs and he got suspicious | 06:29 |
| Macer | oh yeah.. he took off past the camera but ther were like 20 cops outside | 06:29 |
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| zakkm | is this like a weekly show? | 06:30 |
| zakkm | like 22min or w.e? | 06:30 |
| Macer | zakkm: :) | 06:31 |
| Macer | evidently | 06:31 |
| zakkm | ? | 06:31 |
| Macer | zfs isn't going to make it into snow leopard | 06:31 |
| zakkm | whatt | 06:31 |
| zakkm | why not | 06:31 |
| zakkm | whered you read that | 06:31 |
| Macer | dunno | 06:31 |
| Macer | hold on... | 06:31 |
| zakkm | theres still 3 days left of announcements | 06:31 |
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| Macer | http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:xc6veOk_OTQJ:www.apple.com/server/macosx/snowleopard/+snow+leopard+zfs&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari | 06:33 |
| Macer | that is the cached page from apple | 06:33 |
| Macer | that is on google | 06:33 |
| Macer | go to the bottom and you see zfs | 06:33 |
| zakkm | ZFS | 06:33 |
| zakkm | For business-critical server deployments, Snow Leopard Server adds read and write support for the high-performance, 128-bit ZFS file system, | 06:33 |
| zakkm | lol | 06:33 |
| zakkm | thats before keynote. | 06:33 |
| Macer | heh... moment | 06:34 |
| Macer | ... | 06:34 |
| pupnik__ | germans say "moment" | 06:34 |
| Macer | hey! | 06:35 |
| Macer | ZE German | 06:35 |
| pupnik__ | u? | 06:35 |
| pupnik__ | usually americans say "sec" | 06:36 |
| zakkm | hehhh this is a awesome showw | 06:36 |
| pupnik__ | what | 06:36 |
| Macer | http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/ | 06:36 |
| Macer | find me where it says... zfs anywhere on that web site now :) | 06:36 |
| Macer | the earlier one was the cached one from a few days ago | 06:36 |
| Macer | they won't have kernel lvl zfs support they probably pulled it for some reason or another | 06:37 |
| zakkm | http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/performance.html check that out :D | 06:37 |
| zakkm | 2.3x faster, 2.0x faster | 06:37 |
| Macer | shit. opensolaris can go that much faster than osx with the same hardware | 06:37 |
| Macer | heh | 06:37 |
| Macer | with zfs :) | 06:37 |
| Macer | personally. i have never seen someone use osx server to tell you the truth | 06:37 |
| cmug | exept OpenSolaris wont work on the same hardware | 06:37 |
| zakkm | its just leopard + apps | 06:38 |
| cmug | except* | 06:38 |
| Macer | cmug: PC hardware? :) | 06:38 |
| zakkm | Macer: its 100% just leopard + addons | 06:38 |
| cmug | Macer, still it rarely is compatible with the components | 06:38 |
| Macer | most places that have good servers ... usually buy supported hardware | 06:38 |
| cmug | ofcourse if we talk about servers | 06:39 |
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| Macer | heh | 06:39 |
| Macer | i've never seen any company ever use osx server.. i mean i'm sure there are some out there but..? | 06:39 |
| cmug | you guys were talking about mac so didn't think of server side | 06:39 |
| Macer | :) neither does the rest of the planet | 06:39 |
| cmug | I know one company | 06:39 |
| Macer | i mean... | 06:40 |
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| Macer | apple probably uses sparcs :) | 06:40 |
| Macer | haha | 06:40 |
| Macer | or ibm servers | 06:40 |
| zakkm | Apple ruless :D | 06:40 |
| cmug | ibm servers suck | 06:40 |
| cmug | hp or nothin | 06:40 |
| zakkm | Xserves are awesome | 06:40 |
| cmug | untill you need to manage them. Talk about a nightmare | 06:41 |
| Macer | ibm has a cell based server :) | 06:41 |
| Macer | now that was awesome | 06:41 |
| zakkm | Macer: heh i should download full eps :P | 06:41 |
| Macer | makes me wish a ps3 was wide open :) | 06:41 |
| zakkm | does it come in seasons or anything? | 06:41 |
| Macer | then i can map genomes and shit on my ps3 | 06:41 |
| Macer | zakkm: not really sure. i just happened to see it one day a long time ago | 06:42 |
| Macer | and was cracking up | 06:42 |
| cmug | Macer, doesn't the ps3 live or home or whatever already do something like that | 06:42 |
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| Macer | map genomes? :) | 06:42 |
| cmug | cancer research if I recall correctly atleast | 06:42 |
| Macer | not sure to tell you the truth. but that would be interesting | 06:43 |
| Macer | i know personally you can't open up all the hardware | 06:43 |
| Macer | and installing linux on it actually runs it in a sort of VM | 06:43 |
| mavhc | it runs folding@home | 06:43 |
| cmug | mavhc, thats the name | 06:43 |
| cmug | gotta run to the office -> | 06:44 |
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| Macer | zakkm: another real funny thing to watch is when they take the luxury car and stick it in the middle of the ghetto for people to steal.. it gets about a block and the engine cuts off and the windows shoot up trapping them inside. | 06:44 |
| mavhc | http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=osstats | 06:44 |
| zakkm | heh | 06:44 |
| mavhc | the gpus are beating the ps3 now though | 06:45 |
| Macer | one guy had a screwdriver in the ignition... tube socks on his hands (i guess to not leave prints) and the car did its thing. he was surrounded by cops... and you can hear him going ... "Damn....... damn....... damn...." | 06:45 |
| Macer | he turns to the cop and says "Officer. I don't know anything about this." | 06:45 |
| Macer | hahahaha | 06:45 |
| mavhc | and it looks like it's just a waste of co2 to run it on a cpu | 06:45 |
| Macer | i was on the floor laughing | 06:45 |
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| Macer | mavhc: what is that? | 06:47 |
| Macer | like something that helps research by running a client/server for computations? | 06:47 |
| Macer | oh... i guess so :) that's pretty awesome | 06:47 |
| mavhc | simulates molecules | 06:51 |
| mavhc | protein folding | 06:51 |
| Macer | wtf | 06:51 |
| Macer | i think i just broke my osol box | 06:51 |
| Macer | oh... they don't have an opensolaris clinet | 06:52 |
| Macer | i would run it if they did :) | 06:52 |
| zakkm | heh still watching this | 06:53 |
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| zakkm | Macer: this is awesomee | 06:59 |
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| zakkm | Macer: still here? | 07:02 |
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| Macer | sorry | 07:14 |
| Macer | was working on this damn opensolaris install | 07:14 |
| Macer | my nic was acting strange because it uses nwam | 07:14 |
| Macer | and i tried to swap over to a manual network | 07:14 |
| Macer | so it didn't boot | 07:14 |
| Macer | wtf kind of shit is that? :) | 07:14 |
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| cmug | its solaris kind of shit | 07:14 |
| Macer | it put me into maint mode because the nic wasn't working? haha | 07:14 |
| Macer | cmug: i'll give you that one | 07:14 |
| Macer | but it is worth it for the zfs :) | 07:14 |
| cmug | all my stuff runs against NFS so I don't really care about speed :) | 07:15 |
| zakkm | Macer: still watching it :D | 07:15 |
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| Macer | lol | 07:18 |
| Macer | it's not that long | 07:18 |
| zakkm | Macer: nooo im watching them all :D | 07:20 |
| zakkm | well trying to | 07:20 |
| Macer | lol! | 07:22 |
| Macer | i'll see if i can find that damn one where the dude was i the car | 07:22 |
| Macer | i'm sure someone has to have it somewhere | 07:22 |
| zakkm | heh | 07:23 |
| zakkm | think i can find it on like "torrents" ? | 07:23 |
| elninja | I think you can change the default boot partition. So you can have it boot mer off an SD card by default. | 07:45 |
| elninja | whoops... ignore that... somehow I had scrolled to the top | 07:45 |
| zakkm | elninja: but i dont want to replace maemo | 07:45 |
| zakkm | i have my maemo i use on the SD card.. i want mer on the jffs2 | 07:46 |
| zakkm | it was solved. | 07:46 |
| elninja | I'll read back through the chat | 07:46 |
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| sarower | hello | 08:36 |
| sarower | i need a help regarding maemo 5 beta | 08:36 |
| sarower | is there any help to install c++ environment for maemo 5 beta | 08:36 |
| sarower | ?? | 08:37 |
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| zakkm | sarower: sorry, dont know :( | 08:38 |
| sarower | Thanks | 08:38 |
| zakkm | i dont believe theres c++ though | 08:38 |
| zakkm | C sharp and python is mostly used | 08:38 |
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| sarower | but i want to use.... suppose maemomm, hildonmm etc... | 08:39 |
| sarower | that means C++ based Library.... | 08:39 |
| sarower | i did it for the previous version suppose "diablo" | 08:40 |
| zakkm | ah sorry | 08:40 |
| sarower | but i can not find for maemo 5 beta "freementle" | 08:40 |
| zakkm | more of a trying to help, simple knowledge.. than a coder | 08:40 |
| sarower | its ok.... | 08:40 |
| FireFox` | c++ should be supported if gcc is available | 08:40 |
| sarower | may be there are other people who can knoe these things | 08:41 |
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| zakkm | sarower: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/programming_languages/ | 08:41 |
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| sarower | Ok zakkm... let me try | 08:41 |
| * b-man` is up wwwwaaayyyy to late | 08:41 | |
| zakkm | b-man`: how late is it? | 08:42 |
| zakkm | i was online sicne 7am yesterday ;p still didnt sleep yet | 08:42 |
| zakkm | have school in morning? | 08:42 |
| b-man` | no - summer vacation :D | 08:42 |
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| zakkm | ahh | 08:42 |
| zakkm | not summer here yet :P ( canada ) | 08:43 |
| b-man` | heh | 08:43 |
| zakkm | have nice sumemr plans? | 08:43 |
| b-man` | yup - i'm hopefully going to Florida to see the last shuttle launch | 08:44 |
| b-man` | pluse i'm going sailing | 08:44 |
| b-man` | and camping on an island | 08:45 |
| zakkm | awesomee :) | 08:45 |
| b-man` | :) | 08:45 |
| sarower | zakkm: but there is no such reference for maemo 5 beta "freementle" | 08:45 |
| zakkm | :( i dont know man :( i cant find | 08:47 |
| sarower | ok thnak you | 08:47 |
| zakkm | sarower: http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/ theres this too? | 08:47 |
| zakkm | it might also be too early in fremantle | 08:47 |
| sarower | yah thats right | 08:47 |
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| sarower | any other person? who can tell about this...? | 08:49 |
| sarower | is there any help to install c++ environment for maemo 5 beta? | 08:49 |
| zakkm | uhh | 08:50 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: you here? | 08:50 |
| sarower | or it willl work the same for maemo 4.1 (diablo)? | 08:50 |
| zakkm | sarower: its too early in the morning for most people, still waking up / at work and such | 08:50 |
| sarower | hmm | 08:51 |
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| b-man` | zakkm: he's a bit occupied on #mer ;) | 08:53 |
| zakkm | i know :P | 08:53 |
| DHR | (reading log) Macer: PS3 should be great for computation. The VM you talk about means (I understand) that you have limited access to the graphics hardware but full access to the Cell processors. | 08:53 |
| * b-man` really needs sleep ;p | 08:53 | |
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| b-man` | g'night all | 08:54 |
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| ShadowJK | there are threads about the maemo5 beta sdk on talk.maemo.org, I would make a guess that there'd probably be links to it from there too | 08:54 |
| DHR | Mind you, the Cell has only single-precision floating point hardware. Double precision (required for a lot of numerical work) is quite a bit slower. | 08:54 |
| zakkm | DHR: heyy :) | 08:55 |
| zakkm | DHR: factory/tech is there? :O | 08:56 |
| DHR | zakkm: hi. Best guess is that I won't make it to TLUG this month | 08:56 |
| zakkm | im just reading your email now | 08:56 |
| zakkm | i love tech :) | 08:56 |
| zakkm | factory i need something from there, been meaning to get headphones there | 08:56 |
| zakkm | how close is it? | 08:56 |
| DHR | Don't forget to check & print coupons first. Wait: no printer ink. | 08:57 |
| zakkm | yeahh i use canadacomputers for my stuff :P | 08:57 |
| zakkm | yeah i actually have to print out some GIC bond stuff and have to goto school tomorrow to do it lol | 08:57 |
| zakkm | but yeah i know the stores :P | 08:57 |
| DHR | College and Spadina is an area I like a lot. Just guessed that you don't know it. | 08:58 |
| zakkm | i walk down college sometimes | 08:59 |
| zakkm | walked from yonge and college to yonge and dundas with a friend like two weeks ago | 08:59 |
| zakkm | so you wont be there tomorrow? | 08:59 |
| zakkm | or today rather | 08:59 |
| sarower | ShadowJK: Do you know about maemomm for maemo 5 beta? | 09:00 |
| DHR | probably not. Still some unknowns though. | 09:00 |
| ShadowJK | i do not | 09:00 |
| DHR | http://techdirectcanada.ca/flyer/ zakkm: you could buy 3 cannon calculators for 4.99! Why would you want three though? | 09:02 |
| zakkm | i wanted to get that logitech mouse :) | 09:02 |
| zakkm | and some dvds but last week i think it was 5.99 | 09:02 |
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| zakkm | also if they had some nice sd card, although canadacomputers has a 8gb on sale this week i think | 09:03 |
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| zakkm | also i have a weird hobby of walking into stores and looking around | 09:03 |
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| luke-jr | DHR: PPC doesn't define double-precision floating point? | 09:04 |
| DHR | PPC has double but Cell didn't until after the PS3 | 09:04 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, but PPC in Cell is just a slow PPC :) | 09:04 |
| luke-jr | DHR: Cell includes PPC | 09:04 |
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| luke-jr | ShadowJK: so do float-point there | 09:04 |
| luke-jr | and the rest on the SPUs | 09:05 |
| ShadowJK | There's this widespread belief that floating point is absolutely required for everything :) | 09:05 |
| zakkm | ShadowJK: it is :) | 09:06 |
| DHR | right PPC has double, but the SPUs don't. If you need serious double bandwidth, you sythesize it out of multiple instructions on SPU. I think it is like a factor of 8 performance hit, but I don't remember for sure. | 09:06 |
| zakkm | almost every package is compiled with it ;p | 09:06 |
| ShadowJK | Like "no fpu? Video will be slow!", when hardly any video codec need floating point :) | 09:06 |
| DHR | graphics is very complicated. Nothing I do requires 3d, but modern graphics cards have dropped 2d and expect everything to be done in 3d hardware. | 09:07 |
| zakkm | :) | 09:08 |
| DHR | Much heavy-duty computing requires FP. But lots is combinatorial and only needs integers. I've done integer several calculations that have taken more than a year of CPU each. | 09:09 |
| luke-jr | just cuz the code is possible with integers doesn't mean the programmer didn't use FP | 09:10 |
| DHR | quite. There are trade-offs. In the early days, many programmers thought FP was for the lazy. | 09:11 |
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| zakkm | lazy? | 09:11 |
| zakkm | interesting | 09:11 |
| zakkm | they wanted to do the hard work? :P | 09:11 |
| DHR | Real programmers did careful range analysis and could get away with fixed-point (a generalization of integers). | 09:11 |
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| DHR | When I learned to program, Real Programmers use assembly language (me too). In fact, I did some numeric calculations in machine language (like calculating e to 100 digits in fixed point). | 09:13 |
| luke-jr | assembly language should never be used for programs | 09:13 |
| zakkm | sounds useless :D | 09:13 |
| zakkm | wait, you started with assembly? | 09:13 |
| Macer | hm. son is watching toy story | 09:13 |
| zakkm | amc | 09:14 |
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| zakkm | Macer: number 3 looks AWESOME :D | 09:14 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: he didn't say that | 09:14 |
| luke-jr | but assembly isn't a bad starting point | 09:14 |
| DHR | No, I started with FORTRAN. | 09:14 |
| Macer | there's a part 3? | 09:14 |
| zakkm | wow | 09:14 |
| luke-jr | OMFG, by all means use assembly instead of fortran XD | 09:14 |
| zakkm | Macer: 3rd one comes out in 2011. | 09:14 |
| zakkm | but theres a trailer | 09:14 |
| zakkm | going to be 100% disney 3-d | 09:14 |
| Macer | wtf is fortran? | 09:14 |
| * luke-jr hasn't even seen Toy Story 2 | 09:14 | |
| zakkm | olddd | 09:14 |
| luke-jr | Macer: programming language -.- | 09:15 |
| Macer | like gwbasic old? | 09:15 |
| luke-jr | older | 09:15 |
| zakkm | older ;p | 09:15 |
| Macer | hah | 09:15 |
| DHR | FORTRAN was the first popular compiled language. | 09:15 |
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| DHR | about 1955 | 09:15 |
| DHR | I didn't use it until 1966. | 09:15 |
| Macer | i want to help folding@home | 09:16 |
| DHR | GWBASIC was perhaps 1985. Not sure. | 09:16 |
| zakkm | Macer: dont :) | 09:16 |
| Macer | 1966?! | 09:16 |
| zakkm | they use your cpu for bad stuff | 09:17 |
| zakkm | they lie and tell you its for scientific research | 09:17 |
| Macer | protein folding? :) | 09:17 |
| Macer | haha | 09:17 |
| zakkm | its really for Skynet | 09:17 |
| Macer | they are making a huge weapon huh? | 09:17 |
| Macer | haha | 09:17 |
| Macer | trying to decipher the alien code in order to betray all humankind? | 09:17 |
| DHR | I wrote an interpreter for a BASIC-like language I designed, in assembly language long before GWBASIC. | 09:17 |
| zakkm | alien code? | 09:17 |
| Macer | yeah | 09:18 |
| Macer | you don't think it's like independence day huh? | 09:18 |
| zakkm | they werent aliens | 09:18 |
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| Macer | where they upload a "virus" to a totally alien infrastructure and win the war? | 09:18 |
| Macer | lol | 09:18 |
| Macer | hollywood can do anything | 09:18 |
| zakkm | ? have you seen terminator? | 09:18 |
| zakkm | its not aliens | 09:18 |
| Macer | i was talking about independence day | 09:18 |
| Macer | and the alien code was unrelated :) | 09:18 |
| DHR | HG Wells' War of the Worlds ended when aliens died of infection from us. | 09:18 |
| Macer | is the new terminator out ? | 09:19 |
| zakkm | yes | 09:19 |
| Macer | DHR: i know... what a symbolic ripoff huh? | 09:19 |
| zakkm | may 21st ;p | 09:19 |
| luke-jr | Macer: it was kinda lame | 09:19 |
| Macer | the computer virus? | 09:19 |
| Macer | :) | 09:19 |
| Macer | it sure was | 09:19 |
| Macer | i mean aliens from light years and beyond... use tcp/ip | 09:19 |
| Macer | hahaha | 09:19 |
| DHR | I bet that they haven't transitioned to IPv6 yet | 09:20 |
| Macer | lol | 09:20 |
| luke-jr | no | 09:20 |
| luke-jr | Terminator Salvation was lame | 09:20 |
| Macer | they made their spaceship software with fortran that they stole during visits to earth? | 09:20 |
| Macer | oh | 09:20 |
| Macer | i'm sure it was | 09:21 |
| Macer | the 3rd one was absolutely horrible | 09:21 |
| DHR | almost all SF movies seem lame if you've read any reasonable SF books. | 09:21 |
| Macer | i mean.. like... disgustingly horrible | 09:21 |
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| Macer | like dune? | 09:21 |
| Macer | what an abortion that was :) | 09:21 |
| Macer | the sci fi channel was a little better ... a little closer to the book. but then they totally fucked up the children of dune mini series | 09:22 |
| zakkm | macer, im still watching them :D | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | mm, i would say children of dune was okay | 09:23 |
| * Stskeeps pats his Dune collection on the shelf | 09:23 | |
| Macer | Stskeeps: have you ever read the book? | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, obviously. | 09:23 |
| Macer | lol | 09:23 |
| Macer | have you seen the sci fi channel mini series? | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i have | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | i disagree with your view though, i kinda liked them both | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | i loathe the lynch movie though | 09:24 |
| Macer | they were good | 09:24 |
| DHR | Victorians in Space! | 09:24 |
| Macer | i mean they were very entertaining and the dune mini series was pretty close | 09:24 |
| Macer | but the children of dune was a bit off :) | 09:24 |
| Macer | like the "children" were like.. way older than in the book | 09:25 |
| Macer | although the one that played the girl was hot | 09:25 |
| DHR | Everyone thinks that the Dune series of books turns to crap at some point. They all disagree where. I didn't like anything after the first. | 09:25 |
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| Macer | DHR: i like most of the books | 09:26 |
| Macer | even the prequels | 09:26 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: i like the older movie. it reminded me of 1980s cocaine hollywood | 09:29 |
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| zakkm | amcer | 09:33 |
| zakkm | Macer: i cant get enough of this lol | 09:33 |
| zakkm | this is a awesome show | 09:33 |
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| Macer | lol | 09:39 |
| Macer | oh yeah. let me see if i can find the dude with the car | 09:39 |
| Macer | that shit was pretty funny too | 09:39 |
| zakkm | im almost done that playlist | 09:39 |
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| thux | morning | 09:46 |
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| Macer | damn i can't find a good one | 09:47 |
| zakkm | morning thux | 09:47 |
| Macer | well.. i found a few but not the one i am looking for | 09:47 |
| zakkm | Macer: can you find full eps? | 09:47 |
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| zakkm | heh i got like 2 left | 09:47 |
| Macer | of to catch a predator? | 09:47 |
| Macer | maybe | 09:47 |
| zakkm | i got 2 left of that playlist you sent ages ago | 09:47 |
| Macer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZZIZ_Xg4Ic&NR=1 | 09:49 |
| Macer | that one is pretty good | 09:49 |
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| zakkm | thats not even the show ;p | 09:49 |
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| Macer | the dude starting crying and shit haha | 09:50 |
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| Macer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC9RaLVlEyo&NR=1 | 09:53 |
| Macer | hahahahah | 09:53 |
| Macer | that is a good one too | 09:53 |
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| zakkm | oh snap im not done lol | 09:55 |
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| Macer | http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1517809/police_chase_bait_car_thief_on_live_tv/ | 09:58 |
| Macer | that dude made it out of the car haha | 09:58 |
| Macer | trying to outrun a helicopter in a golf course | 09:58 |
| zakkm | lol | 09:58 |
| Macer | AND STEALS A GOLF KART!! HAHAHAHA!! | 09:59 |
| zakkm | hah | 09:59 |
| zakkm | i think i know your favourite tv shows :D | 09:59 |
| Macer | omg! this one is so damn funny hahaha | 09:59 |
| Macer | the news reporters are trying to stop from laughin | 09:59 |
| Macer | one said "HIGH SPEED PURSUIT!" hahaha | 09:59 |
| zakkm | Macer: lol | 10:02 |
| Macer | you saw it? | 10:03 |
| zakkm | no | 10:03 |
| Macer | when he took the golf kart kinda ting? | 10:03 |
| Macer | thing? | 10:03 |
| zakkm | i should be asleep ;p | 10:03 |
| zakkm | just chatting a bit | 10:03 |
| Macer | holy shit it's so damn funny | 10:03 |
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| RST38h | "Additionally, the nightlight is there for a reason. Individuals who do not use it because of misguided ideas of maturity or machismo get what they deserve. Survivors will be disciplined." | 10:29 |
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| luke-jr | RST38h: wtf? | 10:33 |
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| RST38h | luke: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-573-j (The Grue) | 10:36 |
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| Noma | does anyone know if i could somehow change the aspect of the video i am streaming from internet in mplayer? | 10:50 |
| RST38h | use a command line option? | 10:50 |
| Noma | can you tell me details?:p | 10:52 |
| aquatix | man mplayer | 10:53 |
| aquatix | ;) | 10:53 |
| Noma | man mplayer ain't working on n810 :p | 10:55 |
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| ifvoid | hello | 10:55 |
| ifvoid | I'm trying to build the usbserial kernel module for my nokai n800 | 10:55 |
| ifvoid | but when I insmod it, I get "Invalid module format (-1): Exec format error" | 10:55 |
| ifvoid | so I guess I'm using the wrong toolchain or something | 10:56 |
| ifvoid | could anyone tell me how to find ou which one I need? | 10:56 |
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| zakkm | ifvoid: you might have to do another one first | 11:03 |
| ifvoid | no, it doesn't depend on anything | 11:04 |
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| StsN810 | timeless_mbp: ended up sleeping in paddington library or found your way? :> | 11:09 |
| timeless_mbp | my host found me :) | 11:10 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:15 |
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| X-Fade | Morning | 11:16 |
| StsN810 | morn jaffa | 11:16 |
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| RST38h | moo X-Fade, Sts | 11:20 |
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| lbt | Morning | 11:26 |
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| ShadowJK | timeless_mbp: were you confusing "Nokia Maps" (S60) with navicore "Map" (N8x0) earlier? :) | 11:36 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 11:37 |
| timeless_mbp | i was using my n81 | 11:37 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | is there some special magic necessary for espeak? | 11:38 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | it "works" except for the lack of sound | 11:38 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ew, nearing 4am... guess I'll find out 'tomorrow' | 11:40 |
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| Macer | nexenta just pissed me off | 11:48 |
| Macer | i think it's time to get rid of it and use opensolaris | 11:48 |
| RST38h | Macer: Just use FreeBSD | 11:49 |
| ShadowJK | just use plan9 | 11:49 |
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| RST38h | Plan9 is kinda dated | 11:50 |
| RST38h | Unless there have been recent developments | 11:50 |
| derf | If by "recent" you mean 2002. | 11:51 |
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| RST38h | no that is not recent | 11:51 |
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| derf | I mean, it's pretty recent on a geologic time scale. | 11:52 |
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| RST38h | Well, next time I need to drill something, I will drill Plan9 =) | 11:54 |
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| * RST38h checks out Plan9 homepage and notices how eerily similar the artwork is to the one adopted by Symbian Foundation | 12:05 | |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 12:06 |
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| mord | anyone have a clue where to find b-man's maemobox.org pkgs? | 12:22 |
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| mikkov_ | is there any european distributor for beagleboard? | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | digikey itself? | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | click the flags | 12:47 |
| mikkov_ | I thought it was in USA only, II'll look | 12:47 |
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| zap | Anybody uses locales in scratchbox? I can't get locales to work; setting LANG to anything but C will make svn (for example) barf that it can't set locale | 14:32 |
| zap | on device everything works fine | 14:32 |
| zap | svn barfs like this: | 14:33 |
| zap | svn: warning: cannot set LC_CTYPE locale | 14:33 |
| zap | svn: warning: environment variable LANG is ru_RU | 14:33 |
| zap | svn: warning: please check that your locale name is correct | 14:33 |
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| wazd_n800 | heya world) | 14:34 |
| RST38h | heya wazd | 14:35 |
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| StsN810_ | or something with front facing camera | 14:58 |
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| X-Fade | StsN810_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DikbVmYLR0&feature=player_embedded Something like that ;) | 15:01 |
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| pupnik | cool, dynrec increases arena from 40fpm to 55fpm | 15:08 |
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| X-Fade | pupnik: Hmm fpm doesn't sound that hot? :) | 15:09 |
| pupnik | now just need a 4ghz tablet :) | 15:09 |
| pupnik | im testing cpu-bound games | 15:09 |
| pupnik | so 10%-20% boost in the core is a very nice achievment | 15:10 |
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| andre___ | seems i'm wasting half of my day understanding nokia's processes once again. sigh | 15:21 |
| pupnik | only you decide the best use of your time | 15:21 |
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| andre___ | pupnik, right. but if you want some bugs to get fixed and developers argument about processes that you don't know of... :-P | 15:24 |
| pupnik | heh | 15:24 |
| pupnik | sorry | 15:24 |
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| andre___ | no sorry needed :-D | 15:25 |
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| fiferboy | Hi lbt | 15:55 |
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| GAN800 | Anybody else find it sad Nokia couldn't manage to beat Apple to the punch? | 16:12 |
| GAN800 | I'm getting this sinking feeling that it's all going to be one big "Me too!" by the time the damn thing is out the door. | 16:12 |
| X-Fade | I think it would be a bad move to announce anything at the same time as Pre and Iphone 3 show up ;) | 16:13 |
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| Jaffa | GAN800: It'll be the s/w which is the let down again, I think | 16:14 |
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| pupnik | i think business users will prefer a real keyboard | 16:15 |
| pupnik | (blackberry) | 16:15 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN800: except nokia devices are more usefulness than candy.. | 16:21 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: 40 million devices is a large pool to compete against (and Maemo seems to be moving in the direction of a direct iPhone competitor) [I think it always was, at least, an iPod Touch competitor - despite the protestations of some on ITT) | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 16:23 |
| * Stskeeps thinks the future is bright from his POV, but that's how it is :) | 16:24 | |
| Jaffa | :) | 16:24 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa, GAN800: So, do you guys think it is time for a Sprint meeting already? :) | 16:29 |
| rmt | I'd love a lightweight open linux (almost fully programmable) touchscreen phone, not tied to any vendor. Something that you could pull out at a party and not be called a geek. :-) | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | rmt: like a n900, eh, if it's a phone? :P | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | not tied to any phone company, you mean? :P | 16:30 |
| rmt | er, yes. :) | 16:30 |
| rmt | n900 I suspect will still be too bulky | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 16:30 |
| rmt | It will be a cool geek toy, but it won't be a lightweight phone. :-P | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | if it's anything like the developer devices, it's really not. :P | 16:30 |
| rmt | ie. you won't see many women wandering around with them. | 16:31 |
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| Stskeeps | if women can stand wandering around with iphones with broken glass, then they can stand a sturdy tablet.. | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:31 |
| aquatix | rmt: i think it'll be about the same size as an 97, which really isn't bulky | 16:31 |
| rmt | Broken glass in an iPhone! Fashion alert! | 16:31 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: If the process is going to change, I want it to change first ;-p | 16:32 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: And meanwhile let it drag on? :) | 16:32 |
| pupnik | is there anything the iphone does right that nokia/maemo should adopt? | 16:33 |
| timeless_mbp | pupnik: high sales volume? | 16:33 |
| pupnik | maybe drop menus for a collection of colorful icons | 16:34 |
| pupnik | ? | 16:34 |
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| pupnik | it's like selling candy to kids, till- | 16:35 |
| pupnik | timeless, | 16:35 |
| pupnik | ooo, shiny! | 16:35 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: If you think the current process is fine, please say so. | 16:35 |
| rmt | So - any gender demographics on the N97? | 16:36 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: I'm showing all green, so I don't have a problem with it atm ;) | 16:37 |
| aquatix | rmt: it comes in black and white | 16:37 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: What about Quim's suggestion about a tmo thread per task? | 16:37 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Sure, what ever.. | 16:38 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: I don't really care where people discuss their task. | 16:38 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: It's more the point that reasonable tasks need to be planned and followed up on. | 16:39 |
| X-Fade | If that is done through talk, mailinglist or wiki page is a minor detail. | 16:40 |
| Jaffa | Well, given that lots of people haven't been doing it; it suggests it's sufficiently disenfranchising that it's *not* a minor detail. | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | you should use some kind of automated sprint system really :P | 16:40 |
| X-Fade | The council can even blog about which tasks are planned for that month to announce it to the world. | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | that integrates nicely to wiki and such | 16:40 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: any suggestions? ;-) | 16:41 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: i made a sprint system in 300 lines python, i'm sure you can come up with some way. | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | took half a day | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | works wonders | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:42 |
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| Jaffa | At the moment, there are two big problems: 1) technical - tracking what's in a sprint, progress etc.; 2) procedural - how stuff gets in to the sprint, how people are adaptive | 16:43 |
| X-Fade | 3) follow up on progress during the sprint | 16:43 |
| X-Fade | But most of all, we need to specify small concrete tasks. | 16:44 |
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| pupnik | mmm | 16:45 |
| rmt | Anyone with good crypto knowledge here? | 16:45 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: http://guest:guest@trac.tspre.org:9010/ if you want some inspiration (principle is simple: grab a task from backlog, or, if you're a mentor, push a task to backlog. when you take a task, you have 3 days initially to do it, working in a mentor-mentee relationship, you can then on a task extend time period with 2 days (if it expires, it marks it as red), edit notes/progress on the task, complete the task, or give up, sending task + notes + | 16:46 |
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| Stskeeps | it shows overview of active tasks and how it's going and such as well, and who's doing them :P | 16:47 |
| Razumihin | I hope n900 shows up pretty soon. I think i might go with n97 if it doesnt. | 16:47 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: yeah, it is like bugtracking but then for sprints. | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | bugtracking is just too heavy for small tasks imho though | 16:48 |
| Robot101 | rmt: probably makes sense to just ask your question, if people seem competent to answer they will | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | you need to be able to add them quickly to keep up the churn | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:48 |
| rmt | Robot101, Indeed.. | 16:48 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: True. | 16:48 |
| rmt | I have a simple authenticated string implementation at http://dpaste.de/TgdW/ .. if anybody has a good foundation in cryptography, I'd appreciate it if you told me if I have done anything fundamentally wrong. | 16:49 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: But indeed that looks pretty good already. | 16:53 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Would be nice if that was a mediawiki plugin ;) | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: hehe. it's -really- easy to code. workflow is bloody simple :P | 16:53 |
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| GAN800 | Jaffa, I think refocusing the meetings will help a lot. | 17:06 |
| GAN800 | We should probably drop review from most of the language. | 17:06 |
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| Stskeeps | http://opensolaris.org/os/project/osarm/ | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | fuck yes | 17:53 |
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| Jaffa | OMG. | 17:54 |
| * Stskeeps wants sheevaplug + opensolaris | 17:54 | |
| * Jaffa isn't sure if this is fantastic, or the worst idea ever to come out of Sun | 17:54 | |
| Jaffa | And they've had some pretty bad projects ;-) | 17:55 |
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| Stskeeps | i just want it for ZFS and iscsi support, honestly | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | and low powered servers | 17:55 |
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| Stskeeps | low power usage, that is | 17:55 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: Ping? | 18:28 |
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| pupnik | having built-in hsdpa would be sweet | 18:36 |
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| pupnik | germany is a wlan desert | 18:37 |
| till- | and a 3g-flat desert too | 18:37 |
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| andre__ | pupnik, if you're not in a bigger town: yeah :-/ | 18:40 |
| pupnik | hmm | 18:40 |
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| pupnik | i do need an external stick mounted on the house to get hsdpa here, so n900 wouldnt help me | 18:41 |
| till- | scandinavia is nice, a lot of open wlans | 18:41 |
| pupnik | mhm, netherlands too | 18:42 |
| pupnik | and even if secured, the waiter always brought me their key | 18:42 |
| pupnik | try thst in germany | 18:42 |
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| till- | just look for a "NETGEAR" or "ZyXEL" essid :) | 18:43 |
| andre__ | oh well... in some laid-back cafes in germany it's not an issue to get the key :) | 18:43 |
| pupnik | why? | 18:43 |
| pupnik | yes andre__ true | 18:43 |
| till- | "default" and "dlink" are also great | 18:44 |
| pupnik | ahh | 18:44 |
| andre__ | ...because if default ESSIDs have not been changed it's also likely that default passwords have not been changed | 18:44 |
| till- | most of them aren't even encrypted | 18:44 |
| pupnik | if i had a home in the middle of town, id have an open net with huge antenna | 18:45 |
| pupnik | out of principle | 18:45 |
| pupnik | maybe proxy http and randomly swap images | 18:46 |
| pupnik | or run text through the "kraut" or "jive" filters | 18:47 |
| pupnik | not always, just randomly and rarely :) | 18:47 |
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| andre__ | microsoft sometimes smells funny | 19:43 |
| andre__ | "You've reached the daily limit for creating Windows Live IDs." | 19:43 |
| andre__ | yeah, sure | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 19:43 |
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| andre__ | and they lie. even worse. :-P | 19:44 |
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| * b-man16 !!!!!!!!!!HATES!!!!!!!!!!! modest | 20:32 | |
| Proteous | Damnit Nokia, ship me my phone plz | 20:32 |
| Proteous | ssh+mutt FTW | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | b-man16: claws++ | 20:33 |
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| b-man16 | i don't even use modest, yet it starts itself up and spikes my ram+cpu when i'm browsing on the web | 20:35 |
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| Robot101 | why are there two off support projects... hrm | 21:03 |
| Robot101 | *ogg | 21:03 |
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| GAN800 | DSP and ARM? | 21:08 |
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| Robot101 | mogg doesn't seem installable on diablo | 21:10 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 21:21 |
| RST38h | how are things in the maemo land? | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | there's opensolaris for arm released ;p | 21:21 |
| * RST38h chokes on a cookie | 21:22 | |
| RST38h | But...WHY? | 21:23 |
| b-man16 | wait, what??????? | 21:25 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: aw, crap | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: imagine zfs on a low power usage sheevaplug :) | 21:26 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: you've got b-man16 working on a port now | 21:26 |
| b-man16 | lol | 21:27 |
| luke-jr | "b-man16: everything must run on NITs!" | 21:28 |
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| RST38h | ASUS: "Our goal is to provide products that are better than Apple's" | 21:29 |
| RST38h | No chance guys :) | 21:29 |
| b-man16 | rofl@luke-jr | 21:30 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: Apple sucks | 21:30 |
| RST38h | so, what sucks more: an iBook or an underpowered Windows PC made of cheapest available parts? | 21:32 |
| luke-jr | at least the Windows PC can be repaired | 21:32 |
| RST38h | not really | 21:32 |
| * RST38h looks at his ASUS Digimatrix | 21:32 | |
| luke-jr | anyhow, compare iBook with a decently made laptop | 21:32 |
| luke-jr | be fair ☺ | 21:32 |
| RST38h | We are talking ASUS vs Apple here | 21:33 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: Apple laptops, you can't even replace the hard drive without taking everything apart | 21:33 |
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| RST38h | luke: In how many small laptops can you replace HD without taking laptop apart? | 21:33 |
| RST38h | now, in how many ASUS laptops can you do that? | 21:34 |
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| luke-jr | I know nothing of Asus | 21:34 |
| RST38h | then what are you trying to argue? | 21:34 |
| luke-jr | that Apple sucks | 21:34 |
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| RST38h | and somebody said the opposite? | 21:36 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: you implicitly argued it | 21:36 |
| luke-jr | via poor logic, admittedly | 21:36 |
| luke-jr | as if Asus sucking somehow meant Apple didn't | 21:36 |
| * RST38h does not state things implicitely in public forums, as a matter of principle | 21:36 | |
| RST38h | So, whatever you are implying exists solely in your head =) | 21:37 |
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| luke-jr | RST38h: you just took 24 seconds to explicitly state what you first implied with your action | 21:41 |
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| uzzed | hi, i can help to dist-upgrade in my OS2008. | 22:00 |
| uzzed | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/diff_2.8.1-12_armel.deb (--unpack): | 22:00 |
| uzzed | trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/cmp', which is also in package busybox | 22:00 |
| uzzed | :( | 22:00 |
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| KayDeeEeJon | hi | 22:04 |
| KayDeeEeJon | i can't find the (only) directories that ican see in the filemanager. where are those? | 22:05 |
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| VDVsx | KayDeeEeJon, /home/user/ ? | 22:07 |
| KayDeeEeJon | no | 22:08 |
| KayDeeEeJon | not there | 22:08 |
| fiferboy | ls -a /home/user/MyDocs | 22:10 |
| fiferboy | They are (for some reason) hidden directories | 22:10 |
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| GAN800 | fifeboy, i18n | 22:11 |
| fiferboy | GAN, ah! | 22:12 |
| KayDeeEeJon | ok thx fiferboy, they are indeed in there hidden | 22:12 |
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| andre__ | uzzed, exact command? what about forcing (if you know what to do)? | 22:20 |
| uzzed | andre__, # apt-get dist-upgrade | 22:23 |
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| andre__ | uzzed, and why do you run that? | 22:25 |
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| uzzed | andre__, i can install hildon library to compile C++ programs, diretc in n800 | 22:26 |
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| uzzed | andre__, more my install to OS2008 bug | 22:26 |
| andre__ | a hackish way might be to remove/rename /usr/bin/cmp maybe? but i assume you will run into more issues... | 22:27 |
| uzzed | andre__, I already tried to do this :( | 22:29 |
| andre__ | and? | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | direct in n800? | 22:30 |
| uzzed | andre__, no effect | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | about as insane as lcuk, eh: | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:30 |
| uzzed | Stskeeps, yes :P | 22:30 |
| lcuk | heh Stskeeps nahhh | 22:30 |
| lcuk | im not mad enough to do c++ | 22:30 |
| lcuk | i tried it and its too slow ;) | 22:30 |
| GAN800 | Just wait until lcku gets an N900 | 22:31 |
| uzzed | install SDKs to developing C++ is very annoying | 22:32 |
| GAN800 | Then we're all done for. | 22:32 |
| lcuk | nahhh | 22:32 |
| lcuk | by the time i get an n900 i hope libliqbase will be in extras-devel (but theres no guarantee) and it can be wrapped with python then | 22:32 |
| * lcuk might have an n90000000 tho before it gets into the repository | 22:33 | |
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| pupnik | god.. i fell asleep listening to an audiobook on the n810 | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | good? :P | 22:39 |
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| pupnik | then i had a hyperreal dream about having a meeting with my dad, and not being able to shut the damn lecture off | 22:39 |
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| pupnik | tried killall | 22:40 |
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| b-man` | http://b-man.psykosis.net/projects/flash/Pixlr.swf :) | 22:40 |
| pupnik | removing battery | 22:40 |
| RST38h | is your n810 still intact? | 22:40 |
| pupnik | not in the dream | 22:40 |
| pupnik | it was a nightmare - got really strange | 22:40 |
| pupnik | found 4 AA batteries in the n810 soldered together by hand | 22:41 |
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| RST38h | Once the victim has been completely enfolded, thousands of hair-like protrusions extend from the surface of the carpet and dig into the victims skin, quickly draining him of blood over the next ? minutes. | 22:46 |
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| keesj | lcuk: ping | 22:52 |
| lcuk2 | keesj, pong | 22:52 |
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| b-man` | ~ping | 22:52 |
| infobot | ~pong | 22:52 |
| b-man` | lol | 22:52 |
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| keesj | how's the packaging and can I help | 22:53 |
| lcuk2 | keesj, :) thank you for starting that, im sorry it turned into an epic (and still not done) but: | 22:53 |
| lcuk2 | [2009-06-09 22:49:07] liqbase-playground 0.3.3 has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository | 22:53 |
| keesj | do you have the url handy you sent yserday? | 22:53 |
| lcuk2 | that was <5mins ago | 22:53 |
| lcuk2 | the lib and the playground are together | 22:53 |
| lcuk2 | now all i need is an n900, or im starting all over again for diablo | 22:54 |
| lcuk2 | ;) | 22:54 |
| keesj | what I can help with, where to I get code? | 22:56 |
| lcuk2 | apt-get source from the builder | 22:56 |
| lcuk2 | i havent put it back onto any git or anything just yet | 22:56 |
| * lcuk2 has been stressed :( | 22:56 | |
| lcuk2 | unless you wanna use your repo for it from now on | 22:57 |
| * lcuk2 doesnt mind | 22:57 | |
| keesj | I can fix the liqbase packaging (splitting) in my repo if that helps you | 22:57 |
| lcuk2 | i need to see if it works now! | 22:57 |
| lcuk2 | its split now | 22:57 |
| lcuk2 | perfectly | 22:57 |
| lcuk2 | lol | 22:58 |
| keesj | so ask the other lcuk if he wants my help or not | 22:58 |
| lcuk2 | the liqbase-playground even has prefere3nces and ability to store stuff in ~ | 22:58 |
| lcuk2 | instead of dodgy locations | 22:58 |
| keesj | this lcuk2 is on drugs or something | 22:58 |
| lcuk2 | how do we kick him so i can login | 22:58 |
| lcuk2 | heh keesj im just up2 eyeballs with packaging and want to forget all about it now it works | 22:59 |
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| * lcuk waves @ keesj | 23:00 | |
| lcuk | no drugs | 23:00 |
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| keesj | ok /me goes back in idle mode | 23:01 |
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| Jaffa | Quick sanity check question (come up with the vala mud-builder package) and dpkg-builddeps' auto-detection. | 23:10 |
| Jaffa | Does it make sense - in the context of the Maemo auto-builder - to have a package build-depend on itself ever? | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | yes, glib does that indirectly :P | 23:11 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: I mean a) directly and b) a package for the auto-builder; glib won't get built by the auto-builder ;-) | 23:11 |
| Jaffa | For example, when the fremantle SDK was released, jeremiah & X-Fade bootstrapped its extras-devel with diablo packages. Any such package wouldn't build in that circumstance, even if it had built in diablo (earlier version uploaded which it doesn't depend on) | 23:12 |
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| keesj | why is the s60 python the project with the most downloads on garage.maemor.org | 23:15 |
| keesj | Even worse windows vista theme as number 3 https://garage.maemo.org/ | 23:16 |
| GuySoft | um, does anyone know when fsck spits out numbers without any caption? | 23:16 |
| VDVsx | keesj, pyS60 have a big community :) | 23:16 |
| suihkulokki | keesj: I guess installs from extras are not in those stats | 23:17 |
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| mikkov_ | Jaffa: if package depends on itself it won't build with autobuilder? | 23:26 |
| mikkov_ | btw fremantle extras-devel wasn't bootstrapped with diablo packages. Only most of the lib* packages were put there through autobuilder | 23:27 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | so how does sound work on the N810? espeak 'something' doesn't produce output... /dev/snd/ only contains control0 and there is no /dev/dsp (but lots of /dev/dsptaskXX which I don't know what they do) | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | esound | 23:35 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | "espeak 'something' | mplayer -" does work, though | 23:35 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I saw esd running... how can I make a program use it? | 23:35 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | and actually... what devices is esound using? | 23:36 |
| lcuk | boxar uses it | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | CutMeOwnThroat: it talks with DSP protocol to the PCM dsp task | 23:36 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | dsp_dld ? | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | that's just a loader | 23:38 |
| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: my /dev/snd only contains 'timer' | 23:38 |
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| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: ALSA doesn't really use /dev stuff | 23:39 |
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| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: but then, my sound isn't working atm | 23:41 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | heh :) | 23:41 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | what else does it use | 23:41 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | there are two [dsp/0] kernel tasks | 23:41 |
| luke-jr | there, fixed | 23:42 |
| luke-jr | noriko ~ # ls /dev/snd/ | 23:42 |
| luke-jr | controlC0 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p timer | 23:42 |
| luke-jr | noriko ~ # ls /dev/dsp -lh | 23:42 |
| luke-jr | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 Jun 9 15:42 /dev/dsp | 23:42 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | that's not maemo, though? | 23:43 |
| luke-jr | of course not | 23:43 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | "of course"? | 23:44 |
| * CutMeOwnThroat points at channel name | 23:44 | |
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| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: Maemo 4 isn't maintained | 23:46 |
| luke-jr | Maemo 5 doesn't support N8x0 | 23:47 |
| luke-jr | so, why anyone runs Maemo is beyond me | 23:47 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | it's what they sell the N8x0 with? | 23:47 |
| rzr | CutMeOwnThroat: mer is maintained :) | 23:47 |
| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: Maemo 4 | 23:47 |
| rzr | CutMeOwnThroat: i just tested it lately on my phone | 23:48 |
| luke-jr | omfg, what? | 23:48 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... that's a reason :) | 23:48 |
| luke-jr | DSL is a better deal than Cable/ | 23:48 |
| luke-jr | ? | 23:48 |
| Proteous | puppies are way better then kittens | 23:49 |
| Proteous | also, cake is better then pie | 23:49 |
| rzr | luke-jr: http://digg.com/users/rzrfreefr MER on FR | 23:49 |
| luke-jr | rzr: what is that? | 23:49 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, I'm not sure how long it would take//how much effort it would be//how much better/worse the outcome would be if I install something else right now | 23:49 |
| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: I dual boot | 23:49 |
| rzr | luke-jr: where you asking me ? <luke-jr> omfg, what? | 23:49 |
| luke-jr | rzr: no | 23:49 |
| rzr | ok sorry | 23:50 |
| luke-jr | I was in shock of DSL being worth considering | 23:50 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | luke-jr, hm, that's a good idea... still I'm not sure I want to invest a lot of time... but it's true, there's a lot of space on that external memory card | 23:50 |
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| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: realistically, Gentoo requires 8 GB SD | 23:51 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | ew | 23:53 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, I surely don't want to have that little thing compile a distro for a month | 23:54 |
| luke-jr | more like a week | 23:55 |
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| MindMusic | Hey guys... does all programming for the N810 require the scratchbox? C? C++? Python? etc? | 23:55 |
| luke-jr | MindMusic: no | 23:55 |
| MindMusic | how do I get around it? | 23:56 |
| luke-jr | just write a normal program and it should work on the N810 just fine | 23:56 |
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| kkrusty | Im trying to write some python applications on the device is there any way I could read write files without having to scp every time? | 23:56 |
| luke-jr | nothing special needed, just sane coding practices | 23:56 |
| luke-jr | kkrusty: fish kio | 23:57 |
| andre__ | luke-jr, define "normal program" please. if no UI, you're right ;-) | 23:57 |
| luke-jr | andre__: my UI is KDE 4 ;) | 23:57 |
| Jaffa | mikkov_: If the current version of the package depends on itself, how did the chicken lay the egg? | 23:57 |
| kkrusty | luke-jr: is that a package name? | 23:57 |
| luke-jr | kkrusty: no, it's included with KDE | 23:58 |
| * kkrusty has gnome | 23:58 | |
| kkrusty | :( | 23:58 |
| luke-jr | GNOME sucks | 23:58 |
| luke-jr | kkrusty: could always use sshfs | 23:58 |
| MindMusic | Hmmm... I don't have a boatload of linux development experience... seems like a pain... | 23:59 |
| andre__ | No, Linux sucks. And computers! | 23:59 |
| luke-jr | MindMusic: a pain to write a program? | 23:59 |
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| luke-jr | andre__: Linux is only of the few programs that actually doesn't suck much | 23:59 |
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