IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2009-06-09

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Tu13eshm00:05
Tu13escan i use the n800 camera for any type of n800-to-pc video chat?00:06
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timeless_mbpgizmo00:06
Tu13eshm00:06
Tu13esthat it?00:06
timeless_mbpor a windows beta client00:06
timeless_mbpor anything which supports the codec used by the n800 thing00:06
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Tu13eshmm00:07
SHADOW_Vthe quality of the camera is pretty bad00:10
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Tu13esyeah00:19
Tu13esit'd just be so nice if it worked with skype :(00:20
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pupniknew dosbox build by javispedro with dynrec dynamic x86->arm recompiler and hildonization!00:30
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pupnikhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=5686&page=3900:32
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RST38h306MB of logs and counting...00:38
RST38hpupnik: You and qwerty should really place stuff into Extras...00:38
qwerty12_N810Oh, the real fun would be in attempting to read them00:38
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RST38hheheh, the Congress is taking money out of NASA's manned space flight program00:41
RST38hNo starships for you, earthlings =)00:41
ProteousDamnit Nokia, ship me my phone plz00:43
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RST38hProteous: what phone?00:46
RST38h"I did some Craigslist postings to advertise it, and I very quickly got an audience of about 50,000 viewers a month," says Matt Goodman, an advertising executive in Atlanta who had no trouble attracting an audience to his site, Things My Dog Ate, leading to some small advertising deals. "I think I made about $20 from readers clicking on the ads."00:51
RST38hadvertising executive...mhm00:51
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ProteousRST38h: n9701:04
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b-man16http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=294762#post294762  -- Ejscript released for Maemo and Mer - check it out :D01:09
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pupnik_:) :) :) :)01:56
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pupnik_reeeejoice!01:57
lbtYay!01:57
* lbt has no idea why but doesn't want to spoil the mood01:57
pupnik_:)01:57
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pupnik_it has been over a year we wait for a faster dosbox01:58
lbtwhy do we care?01:58
lbtis it used as the base for some apps?02:00
pupnik_dunno - emulation is one area where the old virtues are kept alive02:00
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chxhttp://twitter.com/chx1975/status/2082461518 woohoo <3 my N81002:00
pupnik_besides lbt,  the devs wrote a new dynamic recompiler to runtime-convert x86 to ARM02:03
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pupnik_and they rewrote the yamaha fmopl2 and  302:04
pupnik_3>7)!59402:04
pupnik_cores02:04
lbtOK.. cool :)02:05
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pupnik_so now a few games that were unplayable seem to be playable02:08
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chxruntime-convert x86 to ARM02:10
chxWHAT?02:10
chxthat sounds scary02:10
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pupnik__:)02:37
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fiferboy_n810lbt:  You around?03:06
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n6pfkI can't gain write permission on the external nand.  Any suggextions?03:08
n6pfksugestions?03:09
pupnik__works by default03:11
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pupnik__dev/mmcblk0p1  /media/mmc1 vfat rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,utf8,uid=29999 0 003:12
chxgood you remind me i wanted to download the easy debian on the new 8gb sd card i put in03:13
pupnik__maybe the write-protect slider on the card is locked n6pfk03:14
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n6pfkThen it locked itself, but I'll look.03:19
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Macerwow. i'm sorry but...04:36
Macerubuntu kinda sucks04:36
Macer:)04:36
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luke-jrof course, it's GNOME-based04:41
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Tu13eshm04:50
Tu13eswhat can I use my n800 for connected to my PC via bluetooth?04:50
zakkmbluez?04:51
zakkmor builtin bluetooth?04:51
Tu13eshm?04:51
Tu13esI connected it to my mac04:51
Tu13esbut not sure what I can do with it04:52
zakkmTu13es: just file sharing04:52
zakkmi think04:52
Tu13esah04:52
zakkmheh i got mac too :)04:52
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Tu13esi'm trying to find some new use for my n80004:55
Tu13esit sat on myd resser for about a year04:55
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Tu13esheh04:55
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yigalwhat kind of use?05:03
zakkmTu13es: give it to me :D05:03
pupnik__how does a browser know when to pan. and when to hilight text?05:03
zakkmTu13es: nah, install mplayer on it.. and Tear. it will be a nice portable browser + "legit" download watching of movies/shows05:04
yigaluse its analog radio with external speakers?05:04
pupnik__or how do i hilight text in tear05:04
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Tu13esiunno05:04
Tu13esI just don't have much use for it anymore05:05
Tu13esI'd love to use it for a bedside clock or something05:05
Tu13esthere aren't many good clock apps though05:05
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zakkmTu13es: flip clock does amazinggg :D05:05
Tu13esit's alright05:05
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Tu13esa bit buggy IME05:08
Tu13esand I'd like a little more customizaiton05:08
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elninjahmm... When I enable host mode and connect this USB hub. It gives me an error about the hub not being supported, then an error saying "unable to connect, no file system available." and then it hangs/reboots a minute later...05:38
zakkmcan you check dmesg in that time?05:40
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elninjajust tried again, and this time it locked up right when the error saying "unable to connect [...]" occurred05:48
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elninjaThis time I'll run "tail -f /var/log/dmesg" just before plugging it in and see if I can get any output before it hangs05:50
pupnik__see if it's the hub05:50
zakkmthe hub isnt plugged in right?05:50
zakkmlike besides nokia?05:50
pupnik__try w/o hub05:51
Macerjust got rid of kubuntu and re-installed opensolaris on this box05:51
zakkmmac05:51
zakkmMacer: eww05:51
Macerscrew ubuntu. i don't know what there is about it but there seems something wrong haha05:51
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zakkmMacer: did you see the snow leopard news today? :D05:51
Macer?05:51
Macerthat it will support any PC?05:51
zakkmMacer: 85%+ boost on snow leopard05:51
Macerlol.. i had this theory that OS developers just put in a timer to slow it down on purpose05:52
zakkmthey cut whole install size to 6gb :D05:52
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Macerwith zfs boot support?05:52
Macer:)05:52
zakkmnoo05:52
zakkmno news yet on zfs05:52
zakkmits not over yet05:52
zakkmfew days more still05:52
Macerheh05:52
zakkmMacer: the whole OS is 64bit now, that helped speed a bit05:52
Maceri know i'v seen quite a few builds out there for it but i haven't tried any of them05:52
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zakkmand apps are really slimmed, so its less data read / open quicker.. etc05:53
zakkmfew builds lol05:53
elninjaI'm trying to use an external wifi adapter. I'm just trying to connect the hub right now, and it's having this problem.05:53
zakkmnothing in comparison to wwdc one05:53
Macerwow really?05:53
elninjaI need the hub to poewr the adapter, since the n810 doesn't provide more than like 30mW05:53
zakkmalways05:53
Macerare they going to phase out 32bit too?05:53
Macer:)05:53
zakkmyeah05:53
zakkmno 32bit support05:53
Macergood05:53
zakkmno ppc05:53
Macerheh05:53
Macersomeone should have done that a long time ago05:53
Macer:)05:53
zakkmMacer: they never have anything before WWDC in all its betas beforehand05:54
Macerwaiting for MS to do it next05:54
zakkmlol05:54
zakkmwin7 was going to be 64-bit only05:54
MacerGod knows there won't be a linux distro that is 32bit only :)05:54
zakkmbut they changed tehir mind05:54
Macerzakkm: bastards05:54
zakkmlol05:54
Maceri'm glad apple is doing it05:54
zakkmlinux is for legacy stuff mainly05:54
Maceri know05:54
Macerwith its mwave support05:54
Macerlol05:54
zakkmbut yeah nice speed boosts so far :P05:54
Maceri always thought someone should branch it off so that there were kernels with hardware past 10 years05:54
zakkmew05:54
Macerand a kernel without05:55
zakkmyou should use parallels in mac osx05:55
Macerparallels?05:55
zakkm???05:55
Macerwtf is that.. another vbox?05:55
Macer:)05:55
zakkm2.4 kernel vs 2.6 ..05:55
zakkm2.4 has all the drivers.. 2.6 doesnt05:55
Macersounds virtualish05:55
zakkmno05:55
Maceroh really?05:55
zakkmlinux kernel 2.4 vs 2.605:55
Maceryeah it does05:55
Macerhaha05:55
Macerit has been a while but i'm pretty sure 2.6 still has a ton of archaic hardware support05:55
zakkmwell thats what your saying like.. a kernel with and a kernel without05:55
Macerlike mwave support :) that one really cracked me up05:56
zakkmbeen along time since ive used 2.405:56
Macerhave you ever tried to get an mwave working?05:56
Macerin WINDOWS? :)05:56
zakkmMacer: i was a idiot hah thought the TLUG was today, but its tomorrow :)05:56
zakkmgot someone going to help me out when i get there :D05:56
Macerwtf is tlug?05:56
zakkmtoronto linux user group :D05:56
Maceroh lord05:56
zakkmlol05:56
Macergood luck. i'm going to show you no pitty if you get raped05:56
zakkmvmware for windows, of course05:56
zakkm?05:56
Macerand i mean.. physically anally raped :)05:57
zakkmwhy the hell would i get raped?05:57
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Macercmon. don't we learn anything from the news.. where the poor unsuspecting teenager goes to meet "an online friend."05:57
zakkmlol05:57
zakkmi went to the airport before to pickup my friend from mexico :D05:57
Macerand BAM! raped and scarred for life :)05:57
zakkmi meet online ppl tons of times :P05:57
zakkmlol05:58
zakkmi always wondered05:58
zakkmto be honest ive always wondered why would anyone do that05:58
zakkmspend all the time going online, meeting someone, making sure they are near/  go there.. do all that stuff05:58
zakkmjust go outside -.- wait outside till someone passes by -.-05:58
zakkmnot that i do that, ive just always wondered the internet 'predator' thing05:59
Macerzakkm: because they think it's harder to trace05:59
Macerhaven't you seen to catch a pervert? :)05:59
zakkmno?05:59
Macerwith the dude that lures online perverts to the video cameras? it is a damn riot05:59
zakkmthat like 5min short?05:59
Macerout of 50 people that replied to "a teenage girl" ...05:59
Macerwanting to have sex with her... 49 of them showed up and were arrested05:59
Macerhahha05:59
zakkmhahh05:59
zakkmi gotta see that06:00
Maceromg.. one of the guys had a chance06:00
Macerhe had a real good bullshit story06:00
Macer"No.. i just wanted to talk to her and tell her that what she was doing is dangerous."06:00
zakkmany chance you could link me up ? :D06:00
Macerbut then he had a bag full of liquor and condoms hahahaha06:00
Macerdoh!06:00
Macerhe still tried though. "Those condoms were for her so she could be safe and I got myself something to drink also."06:00
Macer:)06:00
zakkmhah06:01
Maceruhm.. let me see...06:01
Macerhttp://www.youtube.com/user/slickslickster?blend=1&ob=406:02
Macerthere's one of them :)06:02
Macerit's actually to catch a predator :)06:02
zakkmah no wonder06:03
zakkmits US tv06:03
Macerlol06:03
Macerit's great06:03
zakkmyeah watching06:03
Macerthat isn't a real good one. the best one is the one where they had cops arresting them06:03
Macerthe ones that run out and get tackled hahhaha06:03
Maceromg i was cracking up06:03
zakkmfind ittt plzz ;D06:04
Maceri think that dude is a little retarded06:04
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Macerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBlyAxdvBfo06:05
Macerthat one is better )06:05
Macer:)06:05
GeneralAntillesMy nutty mother bought a Kindle06:05
zakkmGeneralAntilles: just the guy i wanted to see06:05
zakkmi really need your help06:05
GeneralAntillesHmm?06:06
Macerlike... the little parts where they have the actors playing out the chats cracks me up06:06
zakkmGeneralAntilles: TLUG event tomorrow, some have n800/770s want to show them mer especially cause one guy has OS2006 installed hah, and i got like maemo on my SD card right, so i was wondering how can i install mer on jffs2, without reflashing/reinstalling bootmenu/loader06:06
zakkmlike flash mer to jffs2 without initfs ?06:06
GeneralAntilles~flasher06:06
infobotsomebody said flasher was http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher06:06
zakkmwhat would i do though?06:06
zakkmis it rootfs then?06:06
zakkmwould that work well?06:06
GeneralAntillesflasher-3.0 -r <mer.jffs2 image> -f -R06:06
GeneralAntillesNot sure if it'll boot with the stock initfs, though06:07
zakkmi want to keep my maemo on sd card though06:07
zakkmand have it dualboot06:07
GeneralAntilles-r will only have it flash the rootfs partition06:07
zakkmoh06:07
* pupnik__ still testing new dosbox --- way nicer06:07
zakkmthat will work ? and it would just open mer instead of maemo06:08
zakkmwhen i use internal ?06:08
zakkmfirst choice in bootmenu?06:08
ds3nicer? does it use the normal OSK now?06:08
GeneralAntilleszakkm, I think you need the Mer bootmenu.06:08
zakkmGeneralAntilles: i use that :P hah06:08
pupnik__faster, sound skips less,  has an icon06:08
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zakkmi had mer on SD card.. then deleted sd card and cloned maemo to it06:08
pupnik__it can not use normal osk ds306:09
zakkmand messed with boot item i think06:09
GeneralAntilleszakkm, then, yes, it should.06:09
zakkmGeneralAntilles: also, according to mer chatter may 31st , it says 0.14testing2 exists.. where would ifind that link06:09
zakkmand is there jffs2 for it?06:09
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zakkmor should i get 0.13 ?06:09
GeneralAntillesDunno06:09
zakkm0.13 seems old06:10
EdLinI'm getting my Nokia Internet Tablet in the mail tomorrow.06:11
EdLinactually, fedex06:11
zakkm:D06:12
zakkmwooh which one06:12
EdLinn81006:12
zakkmGeneralAntilles: alrighty, thanks!! :D06:12
zakkmMacer: this is awesome hah :P06:12
zakkmso it actually illegal to do, or just the whole sex attempt part?06:12
Maceri don't know actually06:13
Maceri mean REALLY.. the girl wasn't 1306:13
Macershe was 1906:13
Macerso any good lawyer could get the guy off :)06:13
Macershe is hot as hell too06:13
Macerthe one they use as the decoy haha06:14
zakkmdamn06:14
Maceri mean i wouldn't try to hook up with a 13 yr old.. but shit.. if i met her and knew she was 1906:14
Macer:)06:14
Maceri'd be talking to her for real hahaha06:14
zakkmno i mean like06:14
zakkmmeeting ppl from online?06:14
Macertold you06:14
MacerPERVERTS06:14
zakkmlol06:14
Macerhaven't you ever checked craigslist?06:14
Macer:)06:15
EdLinanyone have some advice about a first-time n810 user?06:15
zakkmim just curious cause i do it quite often, and wondering if i could get myself in legal shit06:15
EdLins/about/for/06:15
infobotEdLin meant: anyone have some advice for a first-time n810 user?06:15
Macerthere are 240 ppl here.. i bet at least 10% of them are online perverts06:15
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EdLinthis sounds like an interesting conversation, but I have a few NIT questions since my first one is arriving tomorrow.06:16
Macersure06:16
Macerhaha06:16
Macerlike?06:17
zakkmEdLin: how old are you?06:17
EdLinI know first thing I should do with it is to update the firmware, and get Tear. What else?06:17
zakkmMPLAYER :D06:17
EdLinzakkm: 13 but I look 19.06:17
EdLinzakkm: j/k06:17
Maceryou should get an SD and boot from it06:17
zakkmEdLin: seriously.. no like are you a teenager, would you need to know music programs?06:17
zakkmare you a older technician, would you want like openssh ?06:18
EdLinI'm 39, but like music.06:18
zakkmare you going to read with it?06:18
zakkmfbreader/liqbase?06:18
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EdLinI'm going to do lots of stuff with it, I'm a geek.06:18
MacerEdLin: normal mplayer on it is fine actually. i mean you can get other things if you want. but like i said. the first thing you should do is learn to boot from the internal SD06:18
Macerif you are going to use it a lot it is a good thing to do06:18
EdLinMacer: OK, how do I do that? I got a mini SD card ahead of time....06:19
Macerthe internal flash is very limited in space and it is fairly easy to do06:19
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Macerhm.. forgot where the site is... but i'm sure you can just google "Boot nokia internet tablet from SD"06:19
Macerand find it rather quickly06:19
zakkmEdLin: you know mer/ gentoo port?06:19
EdLinzakkm: I've heard of Mer, but am not sure what it is.06:19
zakkmdo you like gentoo?06:19
zakkmlike desktop gentoo?06:20
EdLinno06:20
EdLinit makes my Mac mini's fans whir too much. ;-)06:20
EdLinI liked Slackware though, back when I had a PC.06:21
EdLinI actually have a PC, a Dell mini 9, running Linux usually, but I'm selling it and getting the NIT.06:22
* EdLin notices a silence gripping the room from bringing up Apple06:22
zakkmim the biggest mac fanboy there is :D06:22
zakkmsee the WWDC news today?06:22
zakkmEdLin: most people here have macbooks ;p06:23
EdLinyeah. Loved the new macs, felt meh about the new iPhone though. It has features in PalmOS 2005 that they're bragging about. ;-)06:23
zakkmi meant snow leopard :D06:24
zakkmcant wait06:24
zakkmstill using 10.5.6 hah06:24
EdLinoh yeah, Snow Leo for $29.06:24
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zakkmheh im on a 100% supported hackintosh06:24
zakkm:P06:24
EdLinI'm cool with that, I did that to my dell mini 9.06:25
zakkmawesome06:25
pupnik__is palmos or epoc cooler06:25
EdLinpupnik__: palmos06:25
EdLin30,000 applications, ftw06:25
pupnik__oh ya06:25
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pupnik__epoc on the psion netbook was the fastest thing i used06:27
pupnik__but limited good apps i guess06:27
zakkmMacer: wow that guy runs fast06:28
Macerlol. which one?06:29
zakkmthe link one06:29
zakkmwhere the guy runs and he got suspicious06:29
Maceroh yeah.. he took off past the camera but ther were like 20 cops outside06:29
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zakkmis this like a weekly show?06:30
zakkmlike 22min or w.e?06:30
Macerzakkm: :)06:31
Macerevidently06:31
zakkm?06:31
Macerzfs isn't going to make it into snow leopard06:31
zakkmwhatt06:31
zakkmwhy not06:31
zakkmwhered you read that06:31
Macerdunno06:31
Macerhold on...06:31
zakkmtheres still 3 days left of announcements06:31
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Macerhttp://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:xc6veOk_OTQJ:www.apple.com/server/macosx/snowleopard/+snow+leopard+zfs&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari06:33
Macerthat is the cached page from apple06:33
Macerthat is on google06:33
Macergo to the bottom and you see zfs06:33
zakkmZFS06:33
zakkmFor business-critical server deployments, Snow Leopard Server adds read and write support for the high-performance, 128-bit ZFS file system,06:33
zakkmlol06:33
zakkmthats before keynote.06:33
Macerheh... moment06:34
Macer...06:34
pupnik__germans say "moment"06:34
Macerhey!06:35
MacerZE German06:35
pupnik__u?06:35
pupnik__usually americans say "sec"06:36
zakkmhehhh this is a awesome showw06:36
pupnik__what06:36
Macerhttp://www.apple.com/server/macosx/06:36
Macerfind me where it says... zfs anywhere on that web site now :)06:36
Macerthe earlier one was the cached one from a few days ago06:36
Macerthey won't have kernel lvl zfs support they probably pulled it for some reason or another06:37
zakkmhttp://www.apple.com/server/macosx/performance.html check that out :D06:37
zakkm2.3x faster, 2.0x faster06:37
Macershit. opensolaris can go that much faster than osx with the same hardware06:37
Macerheh06:37
Macerwith zfs :)06:37
Macerpersonally. i have never seen someone use osx server to tell you the truth06:37
cmugexept OpenSolaris wont work on the same hardware06:37
zakkmits just leopard + apps06:38
cmugexcept*06:38
Macercmug: PC hardware? :)06:38
zakkmMacer: its 100% just leopard + addons06:38
cmugMacer, still it rarely is compatible with the components06:38
Macermost places that have good servers ... usually buy supported hardware06:38
cmugofcourse if we talk about servers06:39
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* cmug reads the backlog06:39
Macerheh06:39
Maceri've never seen any company ever use osx server.. i mean i'm sure there are some out there but..?06:39
cmugyou guys were talking about mac so didn't think of server side06:39
Macer:) neither does the rest of the planet06:39
cmugI know one company06:39
Maceri mean...06:40
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Macerapple probably uses sparcs :)06:40
Macerhaha06:40
Maceror ibm servers06:40
zakkmApple ruless :D06:40
cmugibm servers suck06:40
cmughp or nothin06:40
zakkmXserves are awesome06:40
cmuguntill you need to manage them. Talk about a nightmare06:41
Maceribm has a cell based server :)06:41
Macernow that was awesome06:41
zakkmMacer: heh i should download full eps :P06:41
Macermakes me wish a ps3 was wide open :)06:41
zakkmdoes it come in seasons or anything?06:41
Macerthen i can map genomes and shit on my ps306:41
Macerzakkm: not really sure. i just happened to see it one day a long time ago06:42
Macerand was cracking up06:42
cmugMacer, doesn't the ps3 live or home or whatever already do something like that06:42
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Macermap genomes? :)06:42
cmugcancer research if I recall correctly atleast06:42
Macernot sure to tell you the truth. but that would be interesting06:43
Maceri know personally you can't open up all the hardware06:43
Macerand installing linux on it actually runs it in a sort of VM06:43
mavhcit runs folding@home06:43
cmugmavhc, thats the name06:43
cmuggotta run to the office ->06:44
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Macerzakkm: another real funny thing to watch is when they take the luxury car and stick it in the middle of the ghetto for people to steal.. it gets about a block and the engine cuts off and the windows shoot up trapping them inside.06:44
mavhchttp://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=osstats06:44
zakkmheh06:44
mavhcthe gpus are beating the ps3 now though06:45
Macerone guy had a screwdriver in the ignition... tube socks on his hands (i guess to not leave prints) and the car did its thing. he was surrounded by cops... and you can hear him going ... "Damn....... damn....... damn...."06:45
Macerhe turns to the cop and says "Officer. I don't know anything about this."06:45
Macerhahahaha06:45
mavhcand it looks like it's just a waste of co2 to run it on a cpu06:45
Maceri was on the floor laughing06:45
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Macermavhc: what is that?06:47
Macerlike something that helps research by running a client/server for computations?06:47
Maceroh... i guess so :) that's pretty awesome06:47
mavhcsimulates molecules06:51
mavhcprotein folding06:51
Macerwtf06:51
Maceri think i just broke my osol box06:51
Maceroh... they don't have an opensolaris clinet06:52
Maceri would run it if they did :)06:52
zakkmheh still watching this06:53
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zakkmMacer: this is awesomee06:59
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zakkmMacer: still here?07:02
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Macersorry07:14
Macerwas working on this damn opensolaris install07:14
Macermy nic was acting strange because it uses nwam07:14
Macerand i tried to swap over to a manual network07:14
Macerso it didn't boot07:14
Macerwtf kind of shit is that? :)07:14
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cmugits solaris kind of shit07:14
Macerit put me into maint mode because the nic wasn't working? haha07:14
Macercmug: i'll give you that one07:14
Macerbut it is worth it for the zfs :)07:14
cmugall my stuff runs against NFS so I don't really care about speed :)07:15
zakkmMacer: still watching it :D07:15
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Macerlol07:18
Macerit's not that long07:18
zakkmMacer: nooo im watching them all :D07:20
zakkmwell trying to07:20
Macerlol!07:22
Maceri'll see if i can find that damn one where the dude was i the car07:22
Maceri'm sure someone has to have it somewhere07:22
zakkmheh07:23
zakkmthink i can find it on like "torrents" ?07:23
elninjaI think you can change the default boot partition. So you can have it boot mer off an SD card by default.07:45
elninjawhoops... ignore that... somehow I had scrolled to the top07:45
zakkmelninja: but i dont want to replace maemo07:45
zakkmi have my maemo i use on the SD card.. i want mer on the jffs207:46
zakkmit was solved.07:46
elninjaI'll read back through the chat07:46
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sarowerhello08:36
saroweri need a help regarding maemo 5 beta08:36
saroweris there any help to install c++ environment for maemo 5 beta08:36
sarower??08:37
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zakkmsarower: sorry, dont know :(08:38
sarowerThanks08:38
zakkmi dont believe theres c++ though08:38
zakkmC sharp and python is mostly used08:38
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sarowerbut i want to use.... suppose maemomm, hildonmm etc...08:39
sarowerthat means C++ based Library....08:39
saroweri did it for the previous version suppose "diablo"08:40
zakkmah sorry08:40
sarowerbut i can not find for maemo 5 beta "freementle"08:40
zakkmmore of a trying to help, simple knowledge.. than a coder08:40
sarowerits ok....08:40
FireFox`c++ should be supported if gcc is available08:40
sarowermay be there are other people who can knoe these things08:41
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zakkmsarower: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/programming_languages/08:41
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sarowerOk zakkm... let me try08:41
* b-man` is up wwwwaaayyyy to late08:41
zakkmb-man`: how late is it?08:42
zakkmi was online sicne 7am yesterday ;p still didnt sleep yet08:42
zakkmhave school in morning?08:42
b-man`no - summer vacation :D08:42
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zakkmahh08:42
zakkmnot summer here yet :P ( canada )08:43
b-man`heh08:43
zakkmhave nice sumemr plans?08:43
b-man`yup - i'm hopefully going to Florida to see the last shuttle launch08:44
b-man`pluse i'm going sailing08:44
b-man`and camping on an island08:45
zakkmawesomee :)08:45
b-man`:)08:45
sarowerzakkm: but there is no such reference for maemo 5 beta "freementle"08:45
zakkm:( i dont know man :( i cant find08:47
sarowerok thnak you08:47
zakkmsarower: http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/ theres this too?08:47
zakkmit might also be too early in fremantle08:47
saroweryah thats right08:47
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sarowerany other person? who can tell about this...?08:49
saroweris there any help to install c++ environment for maemo 5 beta?08:49
zakkmuhh08:50
zakkmStskeeps: you here?08:50
saroweror it willl work the same for maemo 4.1 (diablo)?08:50
zakkmsarower: its too early in the morning for most people, still waking up / at work and such08:50
sarowerhmm08:51
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b-man`zakkm: he's a bit occupied on #mer ;)08:53
zakkmi know :P08:53
DHR(reading log) Macer: PS3 should be great for computation.  The VM you talk about means (I understand) that you have limited access to the graphics hardware but full access to the Cell processors.08:53
* b-man` really needs sleep ;p08:53
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b-man`g'night all08:54
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ShadowJKthere are threads about the maemo5 beta sdk on talk.maemo.org, I would make a guess that there'd probably be links to it from there too08:54
DHRMind you, the Cell has only single-precision floating point hardware.  Double precision (required for a lot of numerical work) is quite a bit slower.08:54
zakkmDHR: heyy :)08:55
zakkmDHR: factory/tech is there? :O08:56
DHRzakkm: hi.  Best guess is that I won't make it to TLUG this month08:56
zakkmim just reading your email now08:56
zakkmi love tech :)08:56
zakkmfactory i need something from there, been meaning to get headphones there08:56
zakkmhow close is it?08:56
DHRDon't forget to check & print coupons first.  Wait: no printer ink.08:57
zakkmyeahh i use canadacomputers for my stuff :P08:57
zakkmyeah i actually have to print out some GIC bond stuff and have to goto school tomorrow to do it lol08:57
zakkmbut yeah i know the stores :P08:57
DHRCollege and Spadina is an area I like a lot.  Just guessed that you don't know it.08:58
zakkmi walk down college sometimes08:59
zakkmwalked from yonge and college to yonge and dundas with a friend like two weeks ago08:59
zakkmso you wont be there tomorrow?08:59
zakkmor today rather08:59
sarowerShadowJK: Do you know about maemomm for maemo 5 beta?09:00
DHRprobably not.  Still some unknowns though.09:00
ShadowJKi do not09:00
DHRhttp://techdirectcanada.ca/flyer/  zakkm: you could buy 3 cannon calculators for 4.99!  Why would you want three though?09:02
zakkmi wanted to get that logitech mouse :)09:02
zakkmand some dvds but last week i think it was 5.9909:02
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zakkmalso if they had some nice sd card, although canadacomputers has a 8gb on sale this week i think09:03
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zakkmalso i have a weird hobby of walking into stores and looking around09:03
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luke-jrDHR: PPC doesn't define double-precision floating point?09:04
DHRPPC has double but Cell didn't until after the PS309:04
ShadowJKluke-jr, but PPC in Cell is just a slow PPC :)09:04
luke-jrDHR: Cell includes PPC09:04
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luke-jrShadowJK: so do float-point there09:04
luke-jrand the rest on the SPUs09:05
ShadowJKThere's this widespread belief that floating point is absolutely required for everything :)09:05
zakkmShadowJK: it is :)09:06
DHRright PPC has double, but the SPUs don't.  If you need serious double bandwidth, you sythesize it out of multiple instructions on SPU.  I think it is like a factor of 8 performance hit, but I don't remember for sure.09:06
zakkmalmost every package is compiled with it ;p09:06
ShadowJKLike "no fpu? Video will be slow!", when hardly any video codec need floating point :)09:06
DHRgraphics is very complicated.  Nothing I do requires 3d, but modern graphics cards have dropped 2d and expect everything to be done in 3d hardware.09:07
zakkm:)09:08
DHRMuch heavy-duty computing requires FP.  But lots is combinatorial and only needs integers.  I've done integer several calculations that have taken more than a year of CPU each.09:09
luke-jrjust cuz the code is possible with integers doesn't mean the programmer didn't use FP09:10
DHRquite.  There are trade-offs.  In the early days, many programmers thought FP was for the lazy.09:11
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zakkmlazy?09:11
zakkminteresting09:11
zakkmthey wanted to do the hard work? :P09:11
DHRReal programmers did careful range analysis and could get away with fixed-point (a generalization of integers).09:11
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DHRWhen I learned to program, Real Programmers use assembly language (me too).  In fact, I did some numeric calculations in machine language (like calculating e to 100 digits in fixed point).09:13
luke-jrassembly language should never be used for programs09:13
zakkmsounds useless :D09:13
zakkmwait, you started with assembly?09:13
Macerhm. son is watching toy story09:13
zakkmamc09:14
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zakkmMacer: number 3 looks AWESOME :D09:14
luke-jrzakkm: he didn't say that09:14
luke-jrbut assembly isn't a bad starting point09:14
DHRNo, I started with FORTRAN.09:14
Macerthere's a part 3?09:14
zakkmwow09:14
luke-jrOMFG, by all means use assembly instead of fortran XD09:14
zakkmMacer: 3rd one comes out in 2011.09:14
zakkmbut theres a trailer09:14
zakkmgoing to be 100% disney 3-d09:14
Macerwtf is fortran?09:14
* luke-jr hasn't even seen Toy Story 209:14
zakkmolddd09:14
luke-jrMacer: programming language -.-09:15
Macerlike gwbasic old?09:15
luke-jrolder09:15
zakkmolder ;p09:15
Macerhah09:15
DHRFORTRAN was the first popular compiled language.09:15
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DHRabout 195509:15
DHRI didn't use it until 1966.09:15
Maceri want to help folding@home09:16
DHRGWBASIC was perhaps 1985.  Not sure.09:16
zakkmMacer: dont :)09:16
Macer1966?!09:16
zakkmthey use your cpu for bad stuff09:17
zakkmthey lie and tell you its for scientific research09:17
Macerprotein folding? :)09:17
Macerhaha09:17
zakkmits really for Skynet09:17
Macerthey are making a huge weapon huh?09:17
Macerhaha09:17
Macertrying to decipher the alien code in order to betray all humankind?09:17
DHRI wrote an interpreter for a BASIC-like language I designed, in assembly language long before GWBASIC.09:17
zakkmalien code?09:17
Maceryeah09:18
Maceryou don't think it's like independence day huh?09:18
zakkmthey werent aliens09:18
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Macerwhere they upload a "virus" to a totally alien infrastructure and win the war?09:18
Macerlol09:18
Macerhollywood can do anything09:18
zakkm? have you seen terminator?09:18
zakkmits not aliens09:18
Maceri was talking about independence day09:18
Macerand the alien code was unrelated :)09:18
DHRHG Wells' War of the Worlds ended when aliens died of infection from us.09:18
Maceris the new terminator out ?09:19
zakkmyes09:19
MacerDHR: i know... what a symbolic ripoff huh?09:19
zakkmmay 21st ;p09:19
luke-jrMacer: it was kinda lame09:19
Macerthe computer virus?09:19
Macer:)09:19
Macerit sure was09:19
Maceri mean aliens from light years and beyond... use tcp/ip09:19
Macerhahaha09:19
DHRI bet that they haven't transitioned to IPv6 yet09:20
Macerlol09:20
luke-jrno09:20
luke-jrTerminator Salvation was lame09:20
Macerthey made their spaceship software with fortran that they stole during visits to earth?09:20
Maceroh09:20
Maceri'm sure it was09:21
Macerthe 3rd one was absolutely horrible09:21
DHRalmost all SF movies seem lame if you've read any reasonable SF books.09:21
Maceri mean.. like... disgustingly horrible09:21
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Macerlike dune?09:21
Macerwhat an abortion that was :)09:21
Macerthe sci fi channel was a little better ... a little closer to the book. but then they totally fucked up the children of dune mini series09:22
zakkmmacer, im still watching them :D09:22
Stskeepsmm, i would say children of dune was okay09:23
* Stskeeps pats his Dune collection on the shelf09:23
MacerStskeeps: have you ever read the book?09:23
Stskeepsyeah, obviously.09:23
Macerlol09:23
Macerhave you seen the sci fi channel mini series?09:23
Stskeepsyes, i have09:23
Stskeepsi disagree with your view though, i kinda liked them both09:23
Stskeepsi loathe the lynch movie though09:24
Macerthey were good09:24
DHRVictorians in Space!09:24
Maceri mean they were very entertaining and the dune mini series was pretty close09:24
Macerbut the children of dune was a bit off :)09:24
Macerlike the "children" were like.. way older than in the book09:25
Maceralthough the one that played the girl was hot09:25
DHREveryone thinks that the Dune series of books turns to crap at some point.  They all disagree where.  I didn't like anything after the first.09:25
* DHR wanders off09:26
MacerDHR: i like most of the books09:26
Macereven the prequels09:26
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MacerStskeeps: i like the older movie. it reminded me of 1980s cocaine hollywood09:29
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zakkmamcer09:33
zakkmMacer: i cant get enough of this lol09:33
zakkmthis is a awesome show09:33
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Macerlol09:39
Maceroh yeah. let me see if i can find the dude with the car09:39
Macerthat shit was pretty funny too09:39
zakkmim almost done that playlist09:39
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thuxmorning09:46
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Macerdamn i can't find a good one09:47
zakkmmorning thux09:47
Macerwell.. i found a few but not the one i am looking for09:47
zakkmMacer: can you find full eps?09:47
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zakkmheh i got like 2 left09:47
Macerof to catch a predator?09:47
Macermaybe09:47
zakkmi got 2 left of that playlist you sent ages ago09:47
Macerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZZIZ_Xg4Ic&NR=109:49
Macerthat one is pretty good09:49
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zakkmthats not even the show ;p09:49
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Macerthe dude starting crying and shit haha09:50
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Macerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC9RaLVlEyo&NR=109:53
Macerhahahahah09:53
Macerthat is a good one too09:53
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zakkmoh snap im not done lol09:55
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Macerhttp://www.metacafe.com/watch/1517809/police_chase_bait_car_thief_on_live_tv/09:58
Macerthat dude made it out of the car haha09:58
Macertrying to outrun a helicopter in a golf course09:58
zakkmlol09:58
MacerAND STEALS A GOLF KART!! HAHAHAHA!!09:59
zakkmhah09:59
zakkmi think i know your favourite tv shows :D09:59
Maceromg! this one is so damn funny hahaha09:59
Macerthe news reporters are trying to stop from laughin09:59
Macerone said "HIGH SPEED PURSUIT!" hahaha09:59
zakkmMacer: lol10:02
Maceryou saw it?10:03
zakkmno10:03
Macerwhen he took the golf kart kinda ting?10:03
Macerthing?10:03
zakkmi should be asleep ;p10:03
zakkmjust chatting a bit10:03
Macerholy shit it's so damn funny10:03
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RST38h"Additionally, the nightlight is there for a reason. Individuals who do not use it because of misguided ideas of maturity or machismo get what they deserve. Survivors will be disciplined."10:29
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luke-jrRST38h: wtf?10:33
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RST38hluke: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-573-j (The Grue)10:36
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Nomadoes anyone know if i could somehow change the aspect of the video i am streaming from internet in mplayer?10:50
RST38huse a command line option?10:50
Nomacan you tell me details?:p10:52
aquatixman mplayer10:53
aquatix;)10:53
Nomaman mplayer ain't working on n810 :p10:55
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ifvoidhello10:55
ifvoidI'm trying to build the usbserial kernel module for my nokai n80010:55
ifvoidbut when I insmod it, I get "Invalid module format (-1): Exec format error"10:55
ifvoidso I guess I'm using the wrong toolchain or something10:56
ifvoidcould anyone tell me how to find ou which one I need?10:56
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zakkmifvoid: you might have to do another one first11:03
ifvoidno, it doesn't depend on anything11:04
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StsN810timeless_mbp: ended up sleeping in paddington library or found your way? :>11:09
timeless_mbpmy host found me :)11:10
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* timeless_mbp is in a week long meeting now :)11:11
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JaffaMorning, all11:15
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X-FadeMorning11:16
StsN810morn jaffa11:16
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RST38hmoo X-Fade, Sts11:20
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lbtMorning11:26
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ShadowJKtimeless_mbp: were you confusing "Nokia Maps" (S60) with navicore "Map" (N8x0) earlier? :)11:36
timeless_mbpno11:37
timeless_mbpi was using my n8111:37
CutMeOwnThroatis there some special magic necessary for espeak?11:38
CutMeOwnThroatit "works" except for the lack of sound11:38
CutMeOwnThroatew, nearing 4am... guess I'll find out 'tomorrow'11:40
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Macernexenta just pissed me off11:48
Maceri think it's time to get rid of it and use opensolaris11:48
RST38hMacer: Just use FreeBSD11:49
ShadowJKjust use plan911:49
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RST38hPlan9 is kinda dated11:50
RST38hUnless there have been recent developments11:50
derfIf by "recent" you mean 2002.11:51
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RST38hno that is not recent11:51
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derfI mean, it's pretty recent on a geologic time scale.11:52
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RST38hWell, next time I need to drill something, I will drill Plan9 =)11:54
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* RST38h checks out Plan9 homepage and notices how eerily similar the artwork is to the one adopted by Symbian Foundation12:05
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mordanyone have a clue where to find b-man's maemobox.org pkgs?12:22
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mikkov_is there any european distributor for beagleboard?12:46
Stskeepsdigikey itself?12:46
Stskeepsclick the flags12:47
mikkov_I thought it was in USA only, II'll look12:47
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zapAnybody uses locales in scratchbox? I can't get locales to work; setting LANG to anything but C will make svn (for example) barf that it can't set locale14:32
zapon device everything works fine14:32
zapsvn barfs like this:14:33
zapsvn: warning: cannot set LC_CTYPE locale14:33
zapsvn: warning: environment variable LANG is ru_RU14:33
zapsvn: warning: please check that your locale name is correct14:33
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wazd_n800heya world)14:34
RST38hheya wazd14:35
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* StsN810_ wonders on ambient light sensor gestures14:57
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StsN810_or something with front facing camera14:58
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X-FadeStsN810_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DikbVmYLR0&feature=player_embedded Something like that ;)15:01
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pupnikcool, dynrec increases arena from 40fpm to 55fpm15:08
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X-Fadepupnik: Hmm fpm doesn't sound that hot? :)15:09
pupniknow just need a 4ghz tablet :)15:09
pupnikim testing cpu-bound games15:09
pupnikso 10%-20% boost in the core is a very nice achievment15:10
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andre___seems i'm wasting half of my day understanding nokia's processes once again. sigh15:21
pupnikonly you decide the best use of your time15:21
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andre___pupnik, right. but if you want some bugs to get fixed and developers argument about processes that you don't know of... :-P15:24
pupnikheh15:24
pupniksorry15:24
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andre___no sorry needed :-D15:25
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fiferboyHi lbt15:55
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GAN800Anybody else find it sad Nokia couldn't manage to beat Apple to the punch?16:12
GAN800I'm getting this sinking feeling that it's all going to be one big "Me too!" by the time the damn thing is out the door.16:12
X-FadeI think it would be a bad move to announce anything at the same time as Pre and Iphone 3 show up ;)16:13
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JaffaGAN800: It'll be the s/w which is the let down again, I think16:14
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pupniki think business users will prefer a real keyboard16:15
pupnik(blackberry)16:15
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StskeepsGAN800: except nokia devices are more usefulness than candy..16:21
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JaffaStskeeps: 40 million devices is a large pool to compete against (and Maemo seems to be moving in the direction of a direct iPhone competitor) [I think it always was, at least, an iPod Touch competitor - despite the protestations of some on ITT)16:23
Stskeepshehe16:23
* Stskeeps thinks the future is bright from his POV, but that's how it is :)16:24
Jaffa:)16:24
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X-FadeJaffa, GAN800: So, do you guys think it is time for a Sprint meeting already? :)16:29
rmtI'd love a lightweight open linux (almost fully programmable) touchscreen phone, not tied to any vendor. Something that you could pull out at a party and not be called a geek. :-)16:29
Stskeepsrmt: like a n900, eh, if it's a phone? :P16:29
Stskeepsnot tied to any phone company, you mean? :P16:30
rmter, yes. :)16:30
rmtn900 I suspect will still be too bulky16:30
Stskeepsnah16:30
rmtIt will be a cool geek toy, but it won't be a lightweight phone. :-P16:30
Stskeepsif it's anything like the developer devices, it's really not. :P16:30
rmtie. you won't see many women wandering around with them.16:31
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Stskeepsif women can stand wandering around with iphones with broken glass, then they can stand a sturdy tablet..16:31
Stskeeps:P16:31
aquatixrmt: i think it'll be about the same size as an 97, which really isn't bulky16:31
rmtBroken glass in an iPhone! Fashion alert!16:31
JaffaX-Fade: If the process is going to change, I want it to change first ;-p16:32
X-FadeJaffa: And meanwhile let it drag on? :)16:32
pupnikis there anything the iphone does right that nokia/maemo should adopt?16:33
timeless_mbppupnik: high sales volume?16:33
pupnikmaybe drop menus for a collection of colorful icons16:34
pupnik?16:34
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pupnikit's like selling candy to kids, till-16:35
pupniktimeless,16:35
pupnikooo, shiny!16:35
JaffaX-Fade: If you think the current process is fine, please say so.16:35
rmtSo - any gender demographics on the N97?16:36
X-FadeJaffa: I'm showing all green, so I don't have a problem with it atm ;)16:37
aquatixrmt: it comes in black and white16:37
JaffaX-Fade: What about Quim's suggestion about a tmo thread per task?16:37
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X-FadeJaffa: Sure, what ever..16:38
X-FadeJaffa: I don't really care where people discuss their task.16:38
X-FadeJaffa: It's more the point that reasonable tasks need to be planned and followed up on.16:39
X-FadeIf that is done through talk, mailinglist or wiki page is a minor detail.16:40
JaffaWell, given that lots of people haven't been doing it; it suggests it's sufficiently disenfranchising that it's *not* a minor detail.16:40
Stskeepsyou should use some kind of automated sprint system really :P16:40
X-FadeThe council can even blog about which tasks are planned for that month to announce it to the world.16:40
Stskeepsthat integrates nicely to wiki and such16:40
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JaffaStskeeps: any suggestions? ;-)16:41
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StskeepsJaffa: i made a sprint system in 300 lines python, i'm sure you can come up with some way.16:41
Stskeeps:P16:42
Stskeepstook half a day16:42
Stskeepsworks wonders16:42
Stskeeps:P16:42
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JaffaAt the moment, there are two big problems: 1) technical - tracking what's in a sprint, progress etc.; 2) procedural - how stuff gets in to the sprint, how people are adaptive16:43
X-Fade3) follow up on progress during the sprint16:43
X-FadeBut most of all, we need to specify small concrete tasks.16:44
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pupnikmmm16:45
rmtAnyone with good crypto knowledge here?16:45
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StskeepsX-Fade: http://guest:guest@trac.tspre.org:9010/ if you want some inspiration (principle is simple: grab a task from backlog, or, if you're a mentor, push a task to backlog. when you take a task, you have 3 days initially to do it, working in a mentor-mentee relationship, you can then on a task extend time period with 2 days (if it expires, it marks it as red), edit notes/progress on the task, complete the task, or give up, sending task + notes +16:46
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Stskeepsit shows overview of active tasks and how it's going and such as well, and who's doing them :P16:47
RazumihinI hope n900 shows up pretty soon. I think i might go with n97 if it doesnt.16:47
X-FadeStskeeps: yeah, it is like bugtracking but then for sprints.16:48
Stskeeps*nod*16:48
Stskeepsbugtracking is just too heavy for small tasks imho though16:48
Robot101rmt: probably makes sense to just ask your question, if people seem competent to answer they will16:48
Stskeepsyou need to be able to add them quickly to keep up the churn16:48
Stskeeps:P16:48
rmtRobot101, Indeed..16:48
X-FadeStskeeps: True.16:48
rmtI have a simple authenticated string implementation at http://dpaste.de/TgdW/ .. if anybody has a good foundation in cryptography, I'd appreciate it if you told me if I have done anything fundamentally wrong.16:49
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X-FadeStskeeps: But indeed that looks pretty good already.16:53
X-FadeStskeeps: Would be nice if that was a mediawiki plugin ;)16:53
StskeepsX-Fade: hehe. it's -really- easy to code. workflow is bloody simple :P16:53
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GAN800Jaffa, I think refocusing the meetings will help a lot.17:06
GAN800We should probably drop review from most of the language.17:06
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Stskeepshttp://opensolaris.org/os/project/osarm/17:53
Stskeepsfuck yes17:53
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JaffaOMG.17:54
* Stskeeps wants sheevaplug + opensolaris17:54
* Jaffa isn't sure if this is fantastic, or the worst idea ever to come out of Sun17:54
JaffaAnd they've had some pretty bad projects ;-)17:55
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Stskeepsi just want it for ZFS and iscsi support, honestly17:55
Stskeepsand low powered servers17:55
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Stskeepslow power usage, that is17:55
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fiferboylbt: Ping?18:28
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pupnikhaving built-in hsdpa would be sweet18:36
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pupnikgermany is a wlan desert18:37
till-and a 3g-flat desert too18:37
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andre__pupnik, if you're not in a bigger town: yeah :-/18:40
pupnikhmm18:40
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pupniki do need an external stick mounted on the house to get hsdpa here, so n900 wouldnt help me18:41
till-scandinavia is nice, a lot of open wlans18:41
pupnikmhm, netherlands too18:42
pupnikand even if secured, the waiter always brought me their key18:42
pupniktry thst in germany18:42
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till-just look for a "NETGEAR" or "ZyXEL" essid :)18:43
andre__oh well... in some laid-back cafes in germany it's not an issue to get the key :)18:43
pupnikwhy?18:43
pupnikyes andre__ true18:43
till-"default" and "dlink" are also great18:44
pupnikahh18:44
andre__...because if default ESSIDs have not been changed it's also likely that default passwords have not been changed18:44
till-most of them aren't even encrypted18:44
pupnikif i had a home in the middle of town, id have an open net with huge antenna18:45
pupnikout of principle18:45
pupnikmaybe proxy http and randomly swap images18:46
pupnikor run text through the "kraut" or "jive" filters18:47
pupniknot always, just randomly  and rarely :)18:47
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cmugyou can't define random as rare because it is random19:11
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lopzhola19:41
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andre__microsoft sometimes smells funny19:43
andre__"You've reached the daily limit for creating Windows Live IDs."19:43
andre__yeah, sure19:43
Stskeepsheh19:43
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andre__and they lie. even worse. :-P19:44
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* b-man16 !!!!!!!!!!HATES!!!!!!!!!!! modest20:32
ProteousDamnit Nokia, ship me my phone plz20:32
Proteousssh+mutt FTW20:33
Stskeepsb-man16: claws++20:33
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b-man16i don't even use modest, yet it starts itself up and spikes my ram+cpu when i'm browsing on the web20:35
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Robot101why are there two off support projects... hrm21:03
Robot101*ogg21:03
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GAN800DSP and ARM?21:08
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Robot101mogg doesn't seem installable on diablo21:10
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RST38hmoo all21:21
RST38hhow are things in the maemo land?21:21
Stskeepsthere's opensolaris for arm released ;p21:21
* RST38h chokes on a cookie21:22
RST38hBut...WHY?21:23
b-man16wait, what???????21:25
luke-jrStskeeps: aw, crap21:26
StskeepsRST38h: imagine zfs on a low power usage sheevaplug :)21:26
luke-jrStskeeps: you've got b-man16 working on a port now21:26
b-man16lol21:27
luke-jr"b-man16: everything must run on NITs!"21:28
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RST38hASUS: "Our goal is to provide products that are better than Apple's"21:29
RST38hNo chance guys :)21:29
b-man16rofl@luke-jr21:30
luke-jrRST38h: Apple sucks21:30
RST38hso, what sucks more: an iBook or an underpowered Windows PC made of cheapest available parts?21:32
luke-jrat least the Windows PC can be repaired21:32
RST38hnot really21:32
* RST38h looks at his ASUS Digimatrix21:32
luke-jranyhow, compare iBook with a decently made laptop21:32
luke-jrbe fair ☺21:32
RST38hWe are talking ASUS vs Apple here21:33
luke-jrRST38h: Apple laptops, you can't even replace the hard drive without taking everything apart21:33
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RST38hluke: In how many small laptops can you replace HD without taking laptop apart?21:33
RST38hnow, in how many ASUS laptops can you do that?21:34
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luke-jrI know nothing of Asus21:34
RST38hthen what are you trying to argue?21:34
luke-jrthat Apple sucks21:34
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RST38hand somebody said the opposite?21:36
luke-jrRST38h: you implicitly argued it21:36
luke-jrvia poor logic, admittedly21:36
luke-jras if Asus sucking somehow meant Apple didn't21:36
* RST38h does not state things implicitely in public forums, as a matter of principle21:36
RST38hSo, whatever you are implying exists solely in your head =)21:37
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luke-jrRST38h: you just took 24 seconds to explicitly state what you first implied with your action21:41
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uzzedhi, i can help to dist-upgrade in my OS2008.22:00
uzzeddpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/diff_2.8.1-12_armel.deb (--unpack):22:00
uzzed trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/cmp', which is also in package busybox22:00
uzzed:(22:00
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KayDeeEeJonhi22:04
KayDeeEeJoni can't find the (only) directories that ican see in the filemanager. where are those?22:05
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VDVsxKayDeeEeJon, /home/user/ ?22:07
KayDeeEeJonno22:08
KayDeeEeJonnot there22:08
fiferboyls -a /home/user/MyDocs22:10
fiferboyThey are (for some reason) hidden directories22:10
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GAN800fifeboy, i18n22:11
fiferboyGAN, ah!22:12
KayDeeEeJonok thx fiferboy, they are indeed in there hidden22:12
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andre__uzzed, exact command? what about forcing (if you know what to do)?22:20
uzzedandre__, # apt-get dist-upgrade22:23
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andre__uzzed, and why do you run that?22:25
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uzzedandre__, i can install hildon library to compile C++ programs, diretc in n80022:26
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uzzedandre__, more my install to OS2008 bug22:26
andre__a hackish way might be to remove/rename /usr/bin/cmp maybe? but i assume you will run into more issues...22:27
uzzedandre__, I already tried to do this :(22:29
andre__and?22:30
Stskeepsdirect in n800?22:30
uzzedandre__, no effect22:30
Stskeepsabout as insane as lcuk, eh:22:30
Stskeeps:P22:30
uzzedStskeeps, yes :P22:30
lcukheh Stskeeps nahhh22:30
lcukim not mad enough to do c++22:30
lcuki tried it and its too slow ;)22:30
GAN800Just wait until lcku gets an N90022:31
uzzedinstall SDKs to developing C++ is very annoying22:32
GAN800Then we're all done for.22:32
lcuknahhh22:32
lcukby the time i get an n900 i hope libliqbase will be in extras-devel (but theres no guarantee) and it can be wrapped with python then22:32
* lcuk might have an n90000000 tho before it gets into the repository22:33
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pupnikgod.. i fell asleep listening to an audiobook on the n81022:39
Stskeepsgood? :P22:39
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pupnikthen i had a hyperreal dream about having a meeting with my dad, and not being able to shut the damn lecture off22:39
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pupniktried killall22:40
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b-man`http://b-man.psykosis.net/projects/flash/Pixlr.swf :)22:40
pupnikremoving battery22:40
RST38his your n810 still intact?22:40
pupniknot in the dream22:40
pupnikit was a nightmare - got really strange22:40
pupnikfound 4 AA batteries in the n810 soldered together by hand22:41
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RST38hOnce the victim has been completely enfolded, thousands of hair-like protrusions extend from the surface of the carpet and dig into the victims skin, quickly draining him of blood over the next ? minutes.22:46
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keesjlcuk: ping22:52
lcuk2keesj, pong22:52
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b-man`~ping22:52
infobot~pong22:52
b-man`lol22:52
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keesjhow's the packaging and can I help22:53
lcuk2keesj, :) thank you for starting that, im sorry it turned into an epic (and still not done) but:22:53
lcuk2[2009-06-09 22:49:07] liqbase-playground 0.3.3 has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository22:53
keesjdo you have the url handy you sent yserday?22:53
lcuk2that was <5mins ago22:53
lcuk2the lib and the playground are together22:53
lcuk2now all i need is an n900, or im starting all over again for diablo22:54
lcuk2;)22:54
keesjwhat I can help with, where to I get code?22:56
lcuk2apt-get source from the builder22:56
lcuk2i havent put it back onto any git or anything just yet22:56
* lcuk2 has been stressed :(22:56
lcuk2unless you wanna use your repo for it from now on22:57
* lcuk2 doesnt mind22:57
keesjI can fix the liqbase packaging (splitting) in my repo if that helps you22:57
lcuk2i need to see if it works now!22:57
lcuk2its split now22:57
lcuk2perfectly22:57
lcuk2lol22:58
keesjso ask the other lcuk if he wants my help or not22:58
lcuk2the liqbase-playground even has prefere3nces and ability to store stuff in ~22:58
lcuk2instead of dodgy locations22:58
keesjthis lcuk2 is on  drugs or something22:58
lcuk2how do we kick him so i can login22:58
lcuk2heh keesj im just up2 eyeballs with packaging and want to forget all about it now it works22:59
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* lcuk waves @ keesj 23:00
lcukno drugs23:00
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keesjok /me goes back in idle mode23:01
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JaffaQuick sanity check question (come up with the vala mud-builder package) and dpkg-builddeps' auto-detection.23:10
JaffaDoes it make sense - in the context of the Maemo auto-builder - to have a package build-depend on itself ever?23:11
Stskeepsyes, glib does that indirectly :P23:11
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JaffaStskeeps: I mean a) directly and b) a package for the auto-builder; glib won't get built by the auto-builder ;-)23:11
JaffaFor example, when the fremantle SDK was released, jeremiah & X-Fade bootstrapped its extras-devel with diablo packages. Any such package wouldn't build in that circumstance, even if it had built in diablo (earlier version uploaded which it doesn't depend on)23:12
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keesjwhy is the s60 python the project with the most downloads on garage.maemor.org23:15
keesjEven worse windows vista theme as number 3 https://garage.maemo.org/23:16
GuySoftum, does anyone know when fsck spits out numbers without any caption?23:16
VDVsxkeesj, pyS60 have a big community :)23:16
suihkulokkikeesj: I guess installs from extras are not in those stats23:17
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mikkov_Jaffa: if package depends on itself it won't build with autobuilder?23:26
mikkov_btw fremantle extras-devel wasn't bootstrapped with diablo packages. Only most of the lib* packages were put there through autobuilder23:27
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CutMeOwnThroatso how does sound work on the N810? espeak 'something' doesn't produce output... /dev/snd/ only contains control0 and there is no /dev/dsp (but lots of /dev/dsptaskXX which I don't know what they do)23:34
Stskeepsesound23:35
CutMeOwnThroat"espeak 'something' | mplayer -" does work, though23:35
CutMeOwnThroatI saw esd running... how can I make a program use it?23:35
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CutMeOwnThroatand actually... what devices is esound using?23:36
lcukboxar uses it23:36
StskeepsCutMeOwnThroat: it talks with DSP protocol to the PCM dsp task23:36
CutMeOwnThroatdsp_dld ?23:37
Stskeepsthat's just a loader23:38
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: my /dev/snd only contains 'timer'23:38
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luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: ALSA doesn't really use /dev stuff23:39
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luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: but then, my sound isn't working atm23:41
CutMeOwnThroatheh :)23:41
CutMeOwnThroatwhat else does it use23:41
CutMeOwnThroatthere are two [dsp/0] kernel tasks23:41
luke-jrthere, fixed23:42
luke-jrnoriko ~ # ls /dev/snd/23:42
luke-jrcontrolC0  pcmC0D0c  pcmC0D0p  timer23:42
luke-jrnoriko ~ # ls /dev/dsp -lh23:42
luke-jrcrw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 Jun  9 15:42 /dev/dsp23:42
CutMeOwnThroatthat's not maemo, though?23:43
luke-jrof course not23:43
CutMeOwnThroat"of course"?23:44
* CutMeOwnThroat points at channel name23:44
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luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: Maemo 4 isn't maintained23:46
luke-jrMaemo 5 doesn't support N8x023:47
luke-jrso, why anyone runs Maemo is beyond me23:47
CutMeOwnThroatit's what they sell the N8x0 with?23:47
rzrCutMeOwnThroat: mer is maintained :)23:47
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: Maemo 423:47
rzrCutMeOwnThroat: i just tested it lately on my phone23:48
luke-jromfg, what?23:48
CutMeOwnThroatI mean... that's a reason :)23:48
luke-jrDSL is a better deal than Cable/23:48
luke-jr?23:48
Proteouspuppies are way better then kittens23:49
Proteousalso, cake is better then pie23:49
rzrluke-jr: http://digg.com/users/rzrfreefr MER on FR23:49
luke-jrrzr: what is that?23:49
CutMeOwnThroatanyway, I'm not sure how long it would take//how much effort it would be//how much better/worse the outcome would be if I install something else right now23:49
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: I dual boot23:49
rzrluke-jr: where you asking me ? <luke-jr> omfg, what?23:49
luke-jrrzr: no23:49
rzrok sorry23:50
luke-jrI was in shock of DSL being worth considering23:50
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CutMeOwnThroatluke-jr, hm, that's a good idea... still I'm not sure I want to invest a lot of time... but it's true, there's a lot of space on that external memory card23:50
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luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: realistically, Gentoo requires 8 GB SD23:51
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CutMeOwnThroatew23:53
CutMeOwnThroatanyway, I surely don't want to have that little thing compile a distro for a month23:54
luke-jrmore like a week23:55
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MindMusicHey guys... does all programming for the N810 require the scratchbox? C?  C++?  Python? etc?23:55
luke-jrMindMusic: no23:55
MindMusichow do I get around it?23:56
luke-jrjust write a normal program and it should work on the N810 just fine23:56
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kkrustyIm trying to write some python applications on the device is there any way I could read write files without having to scp every time?23:56
luke-jrnothing special needed, just sane coding practices23:56
luke-jrkkrusty: fish kio23:57
andre__luke-jr, define "normal program" please. if no UI, you're right ;-)23:57
luke-jrandre__: my UI is KDE 4 ;)23:57
Jaffamikkov_: If the current version of the package depends on itself, how did the chicken lay the egg?23:57
kkrustyluke-jr: is that a package name?23:57
luke-jrkkrusty: no, it's included with KDE23:58
* kkrusty has gnome23:58
kkrusty:(23:58
luke-jrGNOME sucks23:58
luke-jrkkrusty: could always use sshfs23:58
MindMusicHmmm... I don't have a boatload of linux development experience... seems like a pain...23:59
andre__No, Linux sucks. And computers!23:59
luke-jrMindMusic: a pain to write a program?23:59
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luke-jrandre__: Linux is only of the few programs that actually doesn't suck much23:59

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