| qwerty12_N810 | possibly cdbs | 00:00 |
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| JamieBennett | nope, just installed that | 00:00 |
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| radic | uii, en locus *draufsetz* | 00:41 |
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| radic | tach herwood | 01:05 |
| radic | hoi minra | 01:05 |
| Macer | wtf | 01:05 |
| Macer | is an iso seriously this much larger than a dmg? | 01:05 |
| minra | tach alter | 01:05 |
| radic | Macer: what? | 01:05 |
| radic | minra: dein nick klingt so weiblich# | 01:06 |
| Macer | i'm converting a dmg to an iso | 01:06 |
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| radic | Macer: what's a dmg? | 01:06 |
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| minra | dann kannste mal loswichsen | 01:06 |
| Macer | radic: disc image | 01:07 |
| radic | minra: bekomme ich noch en bild von dir? | 01:07 |
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| radic | wb Locus | 01:07 |
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| minra | besser ohne | 01:07 |
| Locutus73 | Hi | 01:08 |
| radic | minra: wieso? | 01:08 |
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| Locutus73 | Does anyone know what's up with maemobox.org? | 01:09 |
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| radic | <-- I drunk to much alk | 01:10 |
| GAN800 | Locutus, it went down. | 01:10 |
| radic | and took GBL | 01:10 |
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| locutus | GAN800: whut? | 01:11 |
| Locutus73 | damn... is there any chance to get b-man's Ubuntu image anywhere? | 01:12 |
| radic | *Locutus73 en bier hinstell* | 01:12 |
| b-man16 | Loctus: are you having problems retrieving it? | 01:13 |
| Locutus73 | yes maemobox.org seems to be down | 01:13 |
| Locutus73 | various dns cannot resolve it anymore | 01:14 |
| b-man16 | oh, no 0.o | 01:14 |
| Locutus73 | even opendns cannot resolve it | 01:14 |
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| b-man16 | it looks like it got tooken down :((( | 01:15 |
| Locutus73 | any mirror to ubuntu_9.04_n8x0-2.2_rootfs.tgz ? | 01:15 |
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| b-man16 | i'm afraid not :;( | 01:16 |
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| Locutus73 | I hope you have a backup... | 01:17 |
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| GAN800 | andrewfblack had to take it down. | 01:17 |
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| stskeeps_ | properly advertised for quite a while :P | 01:18 |
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| Locutus73 | yes, I read it on talk.maemo.org, but too late | 01:20 |
| Locutus73 | when I decided to give jaunty a try it was too late | 01:21 |
| * b-man16 calls himself an idiot for not properly preparing for this XP | 01:22 | |
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| Locutus73 | maybe someone on talk.maemo.org has a copy of ubuntu_9.04_n8x0-2.2_rootfs.tgz that can be put online somewhere | 01:35 |
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| Locutus73 | good night, gotta go | 01:42 |
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| rdvonz | someone, someone someone someone, Help me with pyrdesktop | 02:02 |
| rdvonz | I keep getting a connection refused dialog. | 02:02 |
| rdvonz | Really? 253 idlers here.... :( | 02:04 |
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| Macer | damnit | 02:16 |
| Macer | this boot 132 doesn't boot | 02:16 |
| Macer | bastard | 02:16 |
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| GAN8001 | Jesus christ | 02:22 |
| Proteous | you should rename it noboot 132 | 02:22 |
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| GAN8001 | Fuck Talk. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=293829&postcount=44 | 02:22 |
| * GAN8001 bangs his head on the desk. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=293773&postcount=11 | 02:24 | |
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| Macer | Proteous: i guess i need to use a different iso to get it to boot on the shuttle | 02:26 |
| Macer | i figured the intel one would work | 02:26 |
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| Macer | omfg are you kidding me? :) | 02:35 |
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| Proteous | no | 03:13 |
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| Proteous | I never kid | 03:13 |
| GAN800 | Liar | 03:14 |
| GAN800 | Everybody was a kid once. | 03:14 |
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| Macer | blah. had to download a shuttle iso to use boot 132 to install a retail ver of osx on my shuttle k45 | 03:15 |
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| Macer | also had to use the install term to make the fs because for some sickly apple reason.. the disk manager wouldn't work on the hd | 03:16 |
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| Proteous | maybe your HD smells bad and OSX has a sensitive nose | 03:25 |
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| Andrewfblack | Hello | 03:26 |
| jophish | hi | 03:30 |
| Macer | blah. this damn drive just doesn't seem to want to work | 03:30 |
| Macer | it can partition but for some reason it won't format.. newfs gave me a segfault | 03:30 |
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| Proteous | SATA driver problems? | 03:35 |
| Proteous | are you running it in IDE compat mode? | 03:35 |
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| parigaudi | hi | 03:35 |
| Proteous | OMGHI2U!!!11!!one!! | 03:35 |
| Proteous | *cough* | 03:35 |
| parigaudi | i'm trying to set up usb networking (as i have neither bluetooth nor wlan router) | 03:36 |
| parigaudi | i transferred the usb statusbar .deb file to my n810 | 03:36 |
| parigaudi | but i can't find it there in the filemanager | 03:36 |
| parigaudi | in what directory do the files go that i upload with my pc by using my nokia as a mass storage device? | 03:37 |
| Proteous | I belive that both the internal and any external memory cards show up | 03:37 |
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| parigaudi | i have no external mem card, and as for the internal,it shows up as a vfat disk containing the two dirs "map" and "Video" | 03:39 |
| parigaudi | the trouble is, i can't find these dirs in the file manager of my n810 | 03:39 |
| parigaudi | and i don't know where they are | 03:39 |
| parigaudi | from within the busybox shell i tried to look around a bit | 03:40 |
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| Noma | /media/mmc1 or something? | 03:40 |
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| Proteous | yeah, it should be /media/mmc1 | 03:42 |
| Proteous | if you have an external card in it can move to mmc2 | 03:42 |
| Proteous | at least on mine it is | 03:42 |
| parigaudi | they are both empty here | 03:44 |
| Proteous | make sure you unmount it from you PC before you try to get at the memory card | 03:44 |
| parigaudi | oh ok | 03:44 |
| Proteous | if it is in mass storage mode you can't access it | 03:44 |
| Proteous | from the device | 03:44 |
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| Macer | Proteous: i doubt it is a problem with the controller | 03:45 |
| parigaudi | how do i switch the n810 from mass storage mode to a mode where i can access the files? | 03:46 |
| Macer | it can partition the drive :) | 03:46 |
| Macer | it sees it .. i am trying a zero-bit erase on it now | 03:46 |
| Macer | maybe there is something that win had on it that is preventing it from wiping in the osx install | 03:46 |
| Proteous | parigaudi: unmount the drive from your computer and unplug the USB cable | 03:49 |
| Proteous | usualy does the trick | 03:49 |
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| Proteous | Macer, being able to format the drive doesn't mean it's not a SATA compatability problem | 03:50 |
| parigaudi | ok thx | 03:50 |
| Proteous | <--- too much experience with fuxing SATA drivers in windows | 03:50 |
| parigaudi | disconnecting the cable did it (unmounting wasn't enough) | 03:51 |
| Proteous | cool | 03:51 |
| Proteous | Macer, as a test, if it's not already I'd go into the bios and switch it to IDE mode | 03:51 |
| Proteous | see if the install works | 03:51 |
| Proteous | in my windows experience you can format the drive just fine in SATA mode but when you go to install it chokes and can't find partitions and such | 03:52 |
| Proteous | and then you realize that SATA mode doesn't add any extra features except hot swaping really and you just go with the IDE compat mode... | 03:53 |
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| parigaudi | what's the root password? | 03:59 |
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| Proteous | you have to install one of the root getting programs | 04:01 |
| Proteous | like becomeroot or gotroot | 04:02 |
| Proteous | !root | 04:02 |
| Proteous | https://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access | 04:02 |
| parigaudi | ok thx | 04:03 |
| Proteous | gotta go now, good luck parigaudi | 04:04 |
| parigaudi | good night | 04:04 |
| parigaudi | thanks again | 04:04 |
| Macer | Proteous: i'll try that out when i get teh chance. right now i'm trying to zero bit it in case windows had something on there that isn't agreeing with the osx install | 04:04 |
| Macer | it can partition. just won't format the drive so i will try it out | 04:05 |
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| Macer | lol. true blood cracks me up | 04:12 |
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| parigaudi | when i try to install libicd-network-dummy_0.12_armel.deb from maemo repository (diablo), | 04:21 |
| parigaudi | my n810 tells me: "incompatible application package" | 04:21 |
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| GAN800 | dummy is no longer required. | 04:25 |
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| parigaudi | huh | 04:29 |
| parigaudi | ok thx | 04:29 |
| parigaudi | since when? | 04:31 |
| th3_4zarado | wine with maemo = Yes or No? | 04:31 |
| parigaudi | is that already true for the version that currently ships with the n810? | 04:32 |
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| GAN800 | parigaudi, this version or the one before. | 04:34 |
| lcuk | th3_4zarado, yes please, red for me | 04:34 |
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| parigaudi | ok thx | 04:35 |
| parigaudi | so what do i have to do on the tablet toconnect via usb? | 04:35 |
| parigaudi | just select "usb ethernet mode"? | 04:35 |
| Andrewfblack | where is stskeeps_ when I need him : ) | 04:36 |
| parigaudi | oh wait, is "usb ethernet" mode something where the tablet wants an usb to ethernet converter? | 04:37 |
| parigaudi | or is it something where it tells the pc that it is an usb to ethernet converter? | 04:38 |
| Macer | wtf. yeah. true blood just took a strange twist | 04:40 |
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| mib_fu04ge | how to print the log on the console? | 04:52 |
| mib_fu04ge | i use function called g_print,but i can't see the log. | 04:52 |
| mib_fu04ge | is there anybody who know about it? | 04:53 |
| parigaudi | good nicght all | 04:53 |
| LiraNuna | any news on the N900? | 04:53 |
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| Firebird | mib_fu04ge, the log of what? | 04:54 |
| mib_fu04ge | the program | 04:54 |
| mib_fu04ge | debug program | 04:54 |
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| Firebird | mib_fu04ge, gdb? | 04:55 |
| mib_fu04ge | like android function log.d | 04:55 |
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| mib_fu04ge | No | 04:55 |
| mib_fu04ge | i want to debug a .so file | 04:57 |
| mib_fu04ge | it is a input-method plugin | 04:57 |
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| mib_fu04ge | Firebird,usually which tool you use to debug | 04:57 |
| Firebird | gnu debugger | 04:57 |
| mib_fu04ge | Now,i use the Eclipse to devolop | 04:58 |
| Firebird | yea, I use Eclipse which uses gdb | 04:58 |
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| mib_fu04ge | I don't know how to use it in IDE envirenment. | 04:59 |
| mib_fu04ge | sorry, environment | 05:00 |
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| mib_fu04ge | i build a package in eclipse,but i can't import the package,why? | 05:01 |
| chx | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3956 this bugs lead me to think it's possible to irc | 05:02 |
| chx | how? | 05:02 |
| chx | I googled... | 05:02 |
| Firebird | mib_fu04ge, what do you mean by build a package | 05:02 |
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| mib_fu04ge | In Eclipse environment,i don't know how to debug plugin. | 05:12 |
| mib_fu04ge | i know once i run program in eclipse,it will open debug prospective. | 05:13 |
| mib_fu04ge | but when i debug input-method-plugins-example ,it says there is no binery file. | 05:13 |
| chx | Please help! I see osso-accounts-plugin-idle here but ... in the Application manager despite having installed the extra.install file its not there | 05:13 |
| Firebird | mib_fu04ge, you need to build the source first (ctrl+b) | 05:14 |
| mib_fu04ge | The error: there is no binary file and i can't debug with gdb | 05:14 |
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| mib_fu04ge | You mean i should build a source file like *.c or *.cpp file | 05:15 |
| Firebird | yes | 05:15 |
| Firebird | you can't debug source code without compiling it | 05:16 |
| Firebird | (with gdb) | 05:16 |
| mib_fu04ge | i am using the code sample | 05:16 |
| mib_fu04ge | hildon-input-method-plugins-example | 05:17 |
| mib_fu04ge | i just want to debug it | 05:17 |
| Firebird | you still need to build it... | 05:19 |
| mib_fu04ge | i get from eclipse using "project from debian repository" | 05:19 |
| mib_fu04ge | the example | 05:20 |
| Firebird | >_< | 05:20 |
| mib_fu04ge | I know the project is a plugin example which generates a .so file in folder binary | 05:21 |
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| mib_fu04ge | because i don't know where is the the .deb file in project and i build package using command 'dpkg-build -rfakeroot -b ' | 05:25 |
| mib_fu04ge | finally i install it and it works | 05:27 |
| mib_fu04ge | but i really want to know how it works and i modify someting to debug it | 05:28 |
| mib_fu04ge | I just want to know how to debug plugin project which will generate .so file but bin flile. | 05:30 |
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| derf | http://www79.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=what+is+best+in+life%3F | 05:50 |
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| Macer | ugh.. 3 more minutes | 06:40 |
| Macer | and this zero-bit format that this osx install is doing to hte 1TB drive will be done | 06:40 |
| Macer | this crap is killing me :) and i bet it doesn't even work | 06:40 |
| ShadowJK | zeri-bit format? | 06:41 |
| ShadowJK | zero-bit format? | 06:41 |
| Macer | yah. | 06:41 |
| Macer | trying to install osx on my shuttle k45 | 06:41 |
| Macer | with boot 132 and the retail osx dvd | 06:42 |
| Macer | the specs are almost the same as a mac mini | 06:42 |
| Macer | but for some reason it can partition the drive but couldn't format it | 06:42 |
| Macer | i figured maybe win7 had something in an awkward place that was preventing the osx install from formatting it .. i'm sure "zero-bit format" is just a dd wipe of it | 06:42 |
| Macer | it's supposed to be some mac crap where it wipes the entire hard drive for security purposes so nothing can be recovered off it .. i guess if you worked at the pentagon and needed to wipe it 24 times to make sure.. the osx install gives you that option :) | 06:43 |
| Macer | hm. | 06:45 |
| Macer | ugh what a waste of time that was | 06:45 |
| Macer | ok.. this is starting to get on my nerves | 06:47 |
| Macer | i think it just isn't reading this damn 1TB drive correctly | 06:47 |
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| Macer | one last thing and then i try one last thing | 06:50 |
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| Mousey | ye godz | 07:16 |
| Mousey | the 900 has a SMALLER screen? =/ | 07:16 |
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| chx | so we hear | 07:21 |
| chx | i cant find anything official | 07:21 |
| Mousey | http://mynokiablog.com/2009/05/25/new-nokia-n900-nokias-next-internet-tablet-wipes-the-floor-with-the-nokia-n97/ | 07:26 |
| Mousey | why he's comparing it with the n97 escapes me, but whatever. there's a pic | 07:26 |
| GAN800 | mockup by a 3rd party. | 07:27 |
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| jonrafkind | hi, I just got a nokia770. can anyone tell me what device the d-pad is attached to? there is no /dev/jsX and /dev/input/* don't seem like the right devices | 07:29 |
| Mousey | GAN800, "croll down tho | 07:31 |
| Mousey | scroll, even | 07:31 |
| GAN800 | Mousey, there is no 'pic' | 07:31 |
| cmug | http://mynokiablog.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/lowres_nokrover.jpg?w=257&h=222 | 07:32 |
| Mousey | huh? i can see it tho, p-ain as day, part of his "update" | 07:32 |
| Mousey | plain, even | 07:32 |
| GAN800 | Mousey, what OS does it look like that 'pic' is running? | 07:33 |
| GAN800 | No, you just think you do. | 07:33 |
| Mousey | looks like maemo to me. i don't recognize the theme, or the buttons on the left | 07:33 |
| GAN800 | What you really see is a mockup that appears to be running a mashup of OS2007 and OS2008. | 07:33 |
| GAN800 | A mockup is not a 'pic' | 07:34 |
| Mousey | awfully good mockup | 07:34 |
| Mousey | but ok | 07:34 |
| GAN800 | and that pressentation is from the Summit | 07:34 |
| GAN800 | where the image was most certainly not pressent. | 07:34 |
| GAN800 | s/ss/s/g | 07:35 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: where the image was most certainly not present. | 07:35 |
| Mousey | k. thats fine by me. i'm not sold on that anyway | 07:35 |
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| Mousey | gsm radio, smaller screen, think i'll stock up on 810s now that they'll be cheaper | 07:36 |
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| chx | Mousey: thats how i got mine | 07:53 |
| chx | Mousey: i was eyeing the Maemo devices since the 770 but the state of my wallet and the price of the desired device never met until a week or so ago when buy.com was sellling the N810 for 199. | 07:54 |
| mord | whatever happened to maemobox.org? | 07:57 |
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| RST38h | Prototype NTT DoCoMo phone turns into a flute and takes your blood | 12:03 |
| qwerty12 | Japanese phones are awesome. Only if they didn't use goddamn CDMA. | 12:05 |
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| FatBoy | This question is for maemo-mapper. I've searched the forums endlessly, and googled this. Does anybody know where I can download a map tile pack for entire states at a time? | 12:17 |
| FatBoy | I found one website, but I have no clue how to import it into maemomapper | 12:17 |
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| X-Fade | FatBoy: You can specify an area to download in maemo-mapper. | 12:18 |
| X-Fade | But beware that if you use a low level and select the whole US, this will be a lot of gigabytes :) | 12:18 |
| FatBoy | See I've tried doing that. Whenever I do that in maemo-mapper, that doesn't work. I have to enable auto-download. | 12:19 |
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| FatBoy | And then, to get the whole state, since my state isn't perfectly square, I have to select a region larger than my state, and I prefer a zoom level of 6, and that puts it at over 2gb | 12:20 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Gaijins report that the phones are actually so buggy that they are pretty much unusuable | 12:23 |
| RST38h | qwerty: i.e. most of these new features are basically half-working gimmicks | 12:24 |
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| qwerty12 | :( | 12:24 |
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| minra- | lol #topic | 12:25 |
| minra- | what a POS Netgear is. | 12:25 |
| minra- | so has the community gotten over their tantrum at the leaked designs? :) | 12:26 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, I found that out after I found out that SSH needs patching on the N800 so that it can actually work if using a Netgear router. | 12:26 |
| minra- | haha | 12:26 |
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| minra- | how you doing old man, qwerty12 | 12:28 |
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| qwerty12 | lol, I'm good, thanks, how about you? | 12:28 |
| minra- | still floored by my herniated disc | 12:29 |
| minra- | n810 is a godsend for that | 12:29 |
| minra- | you interested in building any fun&games stuff qwerty12 ? | 12:30 |
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| qwerty12 | Sorry, I've been assigned the task of making NetworkManager in Mer use HildonBanner instead of libnotify stuff and I've already started the process :/ | 12:31 |
| florian | good morning | 12:32 |
| qwerty12 | morning florian | 12:32 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: ah, good stuff | 12:32 |
| aquatix | btw, isn't it an idea to write some converter that acts like libnotify, but uses HildonBanner | 12:32 |
| aquatix | saves you on porting :) | 12:33 |
| qwerty12 | Dunno how that'd work, myself, you'd probably have to change libnotify directly but I dunno what I'm talking about. :) | 12:35 |
| X-Fade | Ok, finally clutter-gtk and clutter-cairo managed to build on the autobuilder. | 12:36 |
| stskeeps_ | dear god, canola ui on smartq7 :P | 12:36 |
| X-Fade | So now one can create clutter apps for fremantle :) | 12:36 |
| Macer | well | 12:36 |
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| stskeeps_ | yes, but can you actually use it? :P | 12:36 |
| Macer | i gave up on osx on this shuttle k45 | 12:36 |
| X-Fade | stskeeps_: Yes, i386 versions now also work. | 12:37 |
| Macer | what a total pain it is to get set up on non apple hardware | 12:37 |
| Macer | i vouched for opensolaris 2009.6 | 12:37 |
| X-Fade | stskeeps_: using mesa instead of the imagination versions. | 12:37 |
| stskeeps_ | X-Fade: ah, i meant in terms of HD taking the compositor :) | 12:37 |
| * Macer is going to shed himself of the linux disgust :) | 12:37 | |
| X-Fade | stskeeps_: Ah, well that will be solved. I'm sure of that. | 12:37 |
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| stskeeps_ | X-Fade: hehe, i hope so :) | 12:42 |
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| rmt | Woo, had about 3 downloads of my image viewing programs. :- | 13:02 |
| rmt | :-) | 13:02 |
| rmt | Success! | 13:02 |
| amr | ooh, whats it called? | 13:03 |
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| stskeeps_ | rmt: screenshot? | 13:04 |
| rmt | Both work well, but I think that zipview is a good replacement for comics, especially combined with a zenity prompt. I'm using it for all the Garfield comics. One year per zip. | 13:05 |
| rmt | pview & zipview | 13:05 |
| rmt | stskeeps_, Full screen image app .. not much point. :) | 13:05 |
| rmt | Each corner and side does something, with top left quitting. | 13:05 |
| stskeeps_ | rmt: ah. :P | 13:06 |
| rmt | I should probably introduce automatic rotation into them also.. I preprocess images before putting them on, but others may not. | 13:06 |
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| amr | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/digiaatscene/ | 13:10 |
| amr | this looks pretty damn cool | 13:10 |
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| FatBoy | I have a .osm file I found online, it's maps for my whole state. How would I make that usable for maemo mapper? I've googled it a bit, and found some sort of library to export it to sqlite | 14:21 |
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| FatBoy | I have a .osm file I found online, it's maps for my whole state. How would I make that usable for maemo mapper? I've googled it a bit, and found some sort of library to export it to sqlite | 14:29 |
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| KayDeeEeJon | hi | 15:11 |
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| KayDeeEeJon | i got usb networking to work between my pc (gateway) and my n810. web browsing works, but at every page i browse, the connection manager pops up and wants to let me choose a wlan connection (among the closed wlans nearby) | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | grab a dummy icd plugin | 15:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | install the icd dummy plugin and make a new dummy connection | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | (i think) | 15:13 |
| KayDeeEeJon | i thought that the dummy icd was no longer needed (at least i was told something like that yesterday evening here) | 15:13 |
| KayDeeEeJon | ok thx i'll try it then | 15:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | that person lied :) | 15:14 |
| KayDeeEeJon | hehe, or maybe i just misunderstood | 15:14 |
| lcuk | yes i saw the person say you didnt need it | 15:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | it's needed in diablo otherwise dummy connections aren't recognised | 15:15 |
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| lcuk | <parigaudi> when i try to install libicd-network-dummy_0.12_armel.deb from maemo repository (diablo), | 15:18 |
| lcuk | <parigaudi> my n810 tells me: "incompatible application package" | 15:18 |
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| lcuk | <GAN800> dummy is no longer required. | 15:18 |
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| lcuk | jeremiah_N810, hi \o since returning (and fixing a data corruption prob..) i have been learning more about the packaging modificaitons you and kees did over the weekend | 15:23 |
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| lcuk | ive cleaned out the code and understand more now where everything sits (I spent much time learning about autotools - i built from scratch on the device!) | 15:23 |
| lcuk | the question i have however is dpkg returns 2 .deb packages, libliqbase1_0.2-dev-1_armel.deb and libliqbase-dev_0.2-dev-1_armel.deb | 15:25 |
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| lcuk | i think both have the same contents, where do i look to tell each of the 2 packages what contents they should have | 15:26 |
| lcuk | is it something specific for the makefile | 15:26 |
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| KayDeeEeJon | thx lcuk. | 15:28 |
| KayDeeEeJon | but then the question about the "incompatible application package" is relevant again : what do i do about that? | 15:29 |
| KayDeeEeJon | i mean, if i can't install libicd-network-dummy_0.12_armel.deb, what do i do to get the dummy connection? | 15:29 |
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| lbt | fiferboy: hi... no luck with Qt... I was running mixed releases | 15:51 |
| lbt | rebuilding it all at the moment | 15:51 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Hi. Are you building from SVN now? | 15:51 |
| lbt | from OBS with local patches | 15:52 |
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| fiferboy | Is it 4.5.0? | 15:52 |
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| lbt | qt4-x11_4.5.0-1maemo1mer2 | 15:52 |
| fiferboy | Close enough. I use 4.5.0-1maemo2, I think | 15:53 |
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| KayDeeEeJon | ok the package does install now. dunno what's different from yesterday | 15:57 |
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| KayDeeEeJon | despite installing libicd-network-dummy_0.12_armel.deb and executing the lines suggested by the package, i still don't see any dummy connection for choice in the connection manager | 16:12 |
| KayDeeEeJon | anything i did wrong here? | 16:12 |
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| dneary | Hi | 17:08 |
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| dneary | I just installed the latest beta, and I've been trying to get it working with Xephyr | 17:09 |
| dneary | Anyone about who can help me debug? | 17:09 |
| dneary | The Xephyr window is black only | 17:09 |
| luke-jr | not sure anyone actually develops with Maemo anymore | 17:10 |
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| dneary | I run af_sb_init.sh with DISPLAY=:1 | 17:10 |
| luke-jr | other than maybe Nokia themselves | 17:10 |
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| dneary | I get this: | 17:10 |
| dneary | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > af-sb-init.sh start | 17:10 |
| dneary | AF Warning: '/etc/osso-af-init/matchbox.defs' not found | 17:10 |
| dneary | Note: For remote X connections DISPLAY should contain hostname! | 17:10 |
| dneary | Sample files present. | 17:10 |
| dneary | DBUS system bus is already running, doing nothing | 17:10 |
| dneary | D-BUS session bus daemon is already running, doing nothing | 17:10 |
| dneary | Starting Sapwood image server | 17:10 |
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| dneary | sapwood-server[30404]: GLIB WARNING ** Gdk - cannot open display: | 17:11 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, dont underestimate | 17:11 |
| dneary | Starting Keyboard | 17:11 |
| dneary | /usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh: line 92: /usr/bin/hildon-input-method: No such file or directory | 17:11 |
| lcuk | dneary, try DISPLAY:=2 | 17:11 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: you do? | 17:11 |
| dneary | Doesn't look promising :( | 17:11 |
| dneary | Thanks lcuk | 17:11 |
| lcuk | yeah liqbase doesnt run on mer | 17:11 |
| luke-jr | ö | 17:11 |
| dneary | luke-jr: lcuk is the developer of liqbase | 17:11 |
| lcuk | i think thats what i had before | 17:11 |
| luke-jr | dneary: I'm well aware. | 17:11 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: but I mean, you develop in Maemo's SDK thing? | 17:11 |
| lcuk | and liqbase should be runnable on all OSes for 8x0 :) | 17:12 |
| dneary | luke-jr: Given your cynicism I wasn't sure | 17:12 |
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| lcuk | lots of folks are happy with diablo and even chinook | 17:12 |
| dneary | luke-jr: How else would one develop? | 17:12 |
| luke-jr | dneary: Mer's development tools? | 17:12 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, i do at the moment for building package but all my source building and testing is on device itself | 17:12 |
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| luke-jr | dneary: I just build native. | 17:12 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, mer does not target fremantle | 17:12 |
| dneary | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > export DISPLAY=:2 | 17:12 |
| dneary | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > af-sb-init.sh start | 17:12 |
| dneary | AF Warning: '/etc/osso-af-init/matchbox.defs' not found | 17:12 |
| dneary | Note: For remote X connections DISPLAY should contain hostname! | 17:12 |
| dneary | Sample files present. | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: there's a fix for Xephyr afaik | 17:12 |
| dneary | DBUS system bus is already running, doing nothing | 17:12 |
| dneary | D-BUS session bus daemon is already running, doing nothing | 17:12 |
| dneary | Starting Sapwood image server | 17:12 |
| dneary | sapwood-server[30537]: GLIB INFO default - server started | 17:12 |
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| dneary | Starting Keyboard | 17:12 |
| dneary | /usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh: line 92: /usr/bin/hildon-input-method: No such file or directory | 17:12 |
| woglinde | args | 17:13 |
| dneary | Stskeeps: I heard that Xephyr crashed with fremantle | 17:13 |
| woglinde | pastebin | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: yeah, hence a fix is needed :P | 17:13 |
| dneary | didn't know it didn't work at all | 17:13 |
| dneary | woglinde: pastebin? | 17:13 |
| woglinde | ~pastebin | 17:13 |
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| infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste | 17:13 |
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| lcuk | dneary, couldnt you get onto a batphone and try internal debugging? | 17:14 |
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| dneary | lcuk: batphone? | 17:18 |
| dneary | Do I look like commissioner gordon? | 17:18 |
| lcuk | well, now you mention it... its either that or we start calling you robin :p | 17:19 |
| woglinde | lol | 17:19 |
| dneary | I have no batphone | 17:19 |
| dneary | No more than you (maybe less so) | 17:19 |
| dneary | So - how do you know if Xephyr's working right? :) | 17:20 |
| GAN800 | Lies! | 17:20 |
| GAN800 | dneary has a Rover. I'm sure of it. | 17:20 |
| dneary | I'm guessing that "/usr/bin/hildon-input-method" being missing is bad, right? | 17:20 |
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| dneary | GAN800: I do have a Beagle Board tyhat I bought myself | 17:21 |
| dneary | Not sure what I'm going to do with it though | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: not really, it isn't needed for the desktop to run | 17:21 |
| GAN800 | carputer | 17:21 |
| dneary | GAn800: There's a GPS in there? | 17:21 |
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| GAN800 | dneary, nah, but Bluetooth ones are cheap and so much better than the built-in N810 one. | 17:24 |
| lcuk | heh dneary, you gotta have more than me :P | 17:24 |
| dneary | lcuk: Not certain - I don't know a huge number of Maemo developers in Nokia | 17:25 |
| dneary | GAN800: Do you recommend a good bluetooth GPS? | 17:25 |
| GAN800 | Anything MTK based. i-Blue 737, 747, or 757 are my favorites (plain, logging, and solar). | 17:26 |
| lcuk | theres a need to sit down with them at the island retreat and eat bacon and drink beer | 17:26 |
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| KayDeeEeJon | you can buy a matching island at vladi.de | 17:30 |
| KayDeeEeJon | for a couple million bucks | 17:31 |
| andre__ | KayDeeEeJon, but who cares? | 17:34 |
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| GAN800 | 'morning, sjgadsby. :) | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | when was that council meeting again? :P | 17:35 |
| KayDeeEeJon | andre: lcuk wrote about sitting down at the island retreat, and i found that site with its million bucks prices just funny. | 17:36 |
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| sjgadsby | Good morning, GAN800. | 17:36 |
| andre__ | KayDeeEeJon, ah. okay, missed the background :) | 17:36 |
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| Stskeeps | idea for battery meter.. battery capacity on left, right side has a line which shows tendancy of how much battery is being used, so thus more steep it is, the more battery it uses | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | so you can see when you're really burning battery | 17:39 |
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| GAN800 | Stskeeps, monday at 1330 | 17:49 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, what about colors? Or transparency? | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | or that | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | some kind of visual indicator of how fast you're burning battery would definately be good | 17:50 |
| sjgadsby | I like the idea, Stskeeps, though I'm reminded of the old saying, "Nothing hurts performance like a performance monitor." | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | true | 17:51 |
| Pustelnik | +∞ cokolwiek | 17:52 |
| lcuk | a performance monitor that actively pushes its display every 1ms isnt good | 17:52 |
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| lcuk | but have a nice flashy one that is just a part of the envionment and its ok | 17:52 |
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| Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind a per-process one | 17:53 |
| lcuk | is the info available? | 17:53 |
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| dneary | lcuk: Figured it out | 17:58 |
| dneary | Apparently I don't have nokia-binaries installed | 17:58 |
| dneary | I thought it was installed if I installed "Runtime + all dev packages" | 17:59 |
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| GAN800 | Stskeeps, what metrics would it use? | 17:59 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN800: dunno, "how much this app will eat of your battery per hour?" :P | 17:59 |
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| dneary | Stskeeps: It could be like the CPU temperature monitor | 18:00 |
| dneary | Would be cool | 18:01 |
| dneary | A more accurate "time left on battery at current consumption" would be nice | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | i would really just like a indication i'm using the tablet in a manner that will empty my battery quickly | 18:02 |
| Macer | opensolaris is kind of a bitch to use as a desktop still | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't use it as a desktop, personally | 18:02 |
| Macer | i am right now | 18:03 |
| Macer | i've ironed out most of the bugs minus the inability to print on my networked printer | 18:03 |
| Macer | i thought it was odd they use gnome and their media player defaults its codec downloads from a commercial site charging for like... xvid decoders and other dumb shit like that | 18:04 |
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| Macer | totem opens some codec downloading extorting page where they try to charge you for codecs you can get for free legally | 18:04 |
| Macer | like an mp4 codec :-\ i don't get it | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | there's licensing fees on things you know | 18:05 |
| Macer | is there? | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | especially in countries with software patents : | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | P | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | we actually have a funky problem with mer about that, - we can't legally support mp3 oob | 18:06 |
| Macer | that doesn't make sense. using linux you can get codecs to play these things fairly easily | 18:06 |
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| Macer | why isn't mplayer being stalked? :) | 18:07 |
| sjgadsby | Easy != legal | 18:07 |
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| Macer | xine is another one | 18:07 |
| Robot101 | Stskeeps: why not ask fluendo for a redistribution license for their licensed mp3 plugin? | 18:07 |
| Macer | i doubt anybody would sit down if they are losing out on so much over a patent | 18:07 |
| Robot101 | Stskeeps: they give it away free | 18:07 |
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| Macer | is there a lic fee for xvid? :) | 18:08 |
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| Macer | isn't that supposed to be the open one? | 18:08 |
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| Stskeeps | Robot101: hmm, maybe | 18:10 |
| Robot101 | Stskeeps: it wouldn't be on the DSP, but it'd give you something with MP3 out of the box at least | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | well, my view would be on all platforms i guess | 18:13 |
| lcuk | giving something away for free money wise might still have strings | 18:14 |
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| lcuk | dneary - doh! | 18:14 |
| dneary | And now, I've tried installing the whole shebang, and it doesn't do it :( | 18:15 |
| lcuk | there was someone talking to kotczarny this morning about battery stuffs | 18:15 |
| dneary | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 18:15 |
| dneary | maemo-sdk-debug: Depends: maemo-sdk-dev (= 5.0) but it is not going to be installed | 18:15 |
| dneary | Depends: hildon-application-framework-debug but it is not going to be installed | 18:15 |
| lcuk | ive spent best part of 3 days trying to get a single package out of mine | 18:15 |
| lcuk | ive had fist fights with gnu | 18:15 |
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| fiferboy | qwerty12: Thanks for the patch | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | oh, hi fiferboy, no problem, I needed it after having timezone & NTPD problems (LSBC worked awesomely for being able to see when the time had been set wrong) :) | 18:22 |
| fiferboy | So you're a C coder now? | 18:23 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, certainly not. I've just picked up tricks :) | 18:23 |
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| piotre | Hello, i want to encode from mic to mp3 using gstreamer and lame. but i dont get the gstreamer-plugins-ugly package. Any suggestions? | 18:27 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: \o/ on 4560 | 18:38 |
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| andre__ | Stskeeps, the second part is in progress too, but is a bit more complicated | 18:39 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | at least i'm happy to see they got the point | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | we discussed it a bit at the hw meeting so | 18:41 |
| andre__ | well, your initial report was just great and exactly explaining the issues plus the advantages for nokia | 18:41 |
| andre__ | so it's your fault that they got the point ;-)) | 18:41 |
| luke-jr | what point? | 18:41 |
| andre__ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4560 | 18:42 |
| GAN800 | dneary, the problem with the 'remaining' number is that most people don't really know how to use it. | 18:42 |
| dneary | GAN800: Agreed. | 18:43 |
| luke-jr | "understandably closed source" is an oxymoron | 18:43 |
| GAN800 | A 'you're using a lot of power' indicator forces them to think about what it means. | 18:43 |
| dneary | But "less than one hour" doesn't tell me if it's 30 minutes (so I can finish the email I'm writing) or 3 minutes (so I'll save my work & finish later) | 18:43 |
| andre__ | luke-jr, no | 18:43 |
| GAN800 | dneary, yeah, that's stupid. A percentage is more useful. | 18:44 |
| GAN800 | andre__, trollin', trollin', trollin'. ;) | 18:44 |
| andre__ | GAN800, just a little bit, pleeeease! :-P | 18:45 |
| dneary | Have a nice weekend all | 18:46 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: we wouldn't complain so much about GPS driver if there was proper seperation between TI IPR and gpsdriver :P | 18:47 |
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| Stskeeps | and that's what i'm encouraging, if there's dbus or link protocols between things, open source the API and we can do the rest :P | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | like, replace clockd, for instance | 18:48 |
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| piotre | Hello, i want to encode from mic to mp3 using gstreamer and lame. but i dont get the gstreamer-plugins-ugly package. Any suggestions? | 18:48 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: correct, but my complaint would be less because reverse engineering would become easier ;) | 18:49 |
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| Stskeeps | wb timeless_mbp | 18:50 |
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| Stskeeps | Robot101: the question is obviously if fluendo compiles their mp3 codec for arm too :) | 18:52 |
| dneary | back for more punishment | 18:52 |
| dneary | Anyone here managed to get a working fremantle beta in scratchbox at all? | 18:53 |
| Robot101 | Stskeeps: I'm pretty sure they can do, yes | 18:53 |
| dneary | I'm playing "chase the package" | 18:53 |
| dneary | apt-get install maemo-sdk-dev: maemo-sdk-dev: Depends: hildon-application-framework-dev but it is not going to be installed | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | did you add nokia-binaries? | 18:53 |
| fiferboy | dneary: I have it working | 18:53 |
| dneary | apt-get install hildon-application-framework-dev: hildon-application-framework-dev: Depends: libmatchbox2-dev but it is not going to be installed | 18:54 |
| dneary | apt-get install libmatchbox2-dev: libmatchbox2-dev: Depends: libmatchbox2 (= 0.2.32-1+0m5) but it is not going to be installed/ Depends: libclutter-0.8-dev but it is not going to be installed | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | it smells a bit of no nokia-binaries repository? | 18:55 |
| dneary | apt-get install libmatchbox2: libmatchbox2: Depends: libclutter-0.8-0 but it is not going to be installed | 18:55 |
| dneary | Stskeeps: I fixed that, normally | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | and apt-get update'd i guess? :P | 18:55 |
| dneary | This all happened when running maemo-sdk-install_5.0beta.sh | 18:55 |
| dneary | Yeah | 18:55 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: does Mer use aptitude, I hope? | 18:55 |
| dneary | Although I'm not convinced I got actual binaries - I did run the script | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: either or | 18:56 |
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| Stskeeps | dneary: and you agreed to the EULA and got the token repositories? | 18:56 |
| dneary | apt-get install libclutter-0.8-0: Depends: libgles2-sgx-img but it is not installable or libgles2 but it is not installable | 18:56 |
| dneary | "I accept" | 18:56 |
| dneary | And they don't have any installation candidates | 18:57 |
| dneary | Stskeeps: Output: | 18:57 |
| dneary | Nokia binaries repository has now been extracted to a directory under | 18:57 |
| dneary | your scratchbox home path. Add the following line to maemo 4.1.1 diablo | 18:57 |
| dneary | scratchbox targets' /etc/apt/sources.list files to make the repository | 18:57 |
| dneary | visible to Debian apt tools: | 18:57 |
| dneary | deb file:/home/dneary/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_4.1.1 diablo explicit | 18:57 |
| dneary | Run 'apt-get update' inside scratchbox to read package index files. | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | nah, that's not the one | 18:58 |
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| dneary | ok | 18:58 |
| dneary | Looks like summat broke | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | this one | 18:58 |
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| Stskeeps | it will have libgles2-sgx-img and so on | 18:59 |
| dneary | Stskeeps: I have to download something other than the SDK? | 18:59 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: hey | 18:59 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry, week's over | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: welcome to the brave new world | 18:59 |
| * timeless_mbp will be in London next week | 18:59 | |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: hehe, have a good trip :) | 18:59 |
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| KayDeeEeJon | is there a way to have a completion in maemo's terminal (like tab-completion, just that i don't see a tab key)? | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | maemo's terminal has tab, afaik | 19:01 |
| KayDeeEeJon | oh right, see it now | 19:01 |
| dneary | Stskeeps: I didn't see that documented anywhere | 19:02 |
| KayDeeEeJon | not as a key but as a thing to click on | 19:02 |
| KayDeeEeJon | thx | 19:04 |
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| KayDeeEeJon | i'd like to install the nokia handwriting calculator, but the link to the install file on | 19:07 |
| KayDeeEeJon | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/handwriting calculator/ | 19:07 |
| KayDeeEeJon | leads me to a (c)rapidshare web page | 19:07 |
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| KayDeeEeJon | is it installable with apt-get? if so, under what name? | 19:08 |
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| luke-jr | an IT man's wife asks him: Buy the eggs and if there are cucumbers - take 10. the guy goes to the shop and asks: - Do you have cucumbers? - Yes, we do. - Then 10 eggs please. ☺ | 19:09 |
| woglinde | *g* | 19:09 |
| KayDeeEeJon | lol | 19:09 |
| KayDeeEeJon | odd though that she would ask for 10 cucumbers | 19:10 |
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| KayDeeEeJon | i'd rather have expected this: | 19:10 |
| woglinde | bye | 19:10 |
| KayDeeEeJon | an IT man's wife asks him: Buy the cucumbers and if there are eggs - take 10. the guy goes to the shop and asks: - Do you have eggs? - Yes, we do. - Then 10 cucumbers please. | 19:10 |
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| woglinde | hm right | 19:11 |
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| jeremiah_N810 | lcuk: Ah cool. Good to hear. I hope we didn't break anything. :) | 19:23 |
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| *** timsamoff changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org | Public Maemo Community Council Meeting, Monday, 8 June 2009, 13:30 UTC | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Warning: #maemo is perilous for your job." | 19:45 | |
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| GAN800 | Hi, Tim. | 19:46 |
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| timsamoff | Hello! | 19:47 |
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| lcuk | jeremiah_torp, nothing broken, and the assistance you two gave has helped put stuff into context | 19:58 |
| * lcuk has seen so much scrolly building code this week it made my eyes hurt | 19:58 | |
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| janim | evening all | 20:02 |
| janim | ups sorry, wrong channel but evening all stil =) | 20:03 |
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| lcuk | janim, maemo isnt the wrong channel | 20:05 |
| luke-jr | just the wrong OS | 20:05 |
| lcuk | chinook is used by lots of folks still, and diablo is extremely stable | 20:05 |
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| janim | lcuk: nope, it aint. but it broke my habbit of just being a lurker | 20:06 |
| lcuk | theres some bugs that some folks notice but lots dont | 20:06 |
| zakkm | diablo is awesome! :D | 20:06 |
| lcuk | damn janim, you are aware now you have to speak at least a few times a day | 20:06 |
| lcuk | yeah zakkm its the only place where liqbase will run lol | 20:06 |
| zakkm | lcuk: you should know last night i used liqbase to read 7,905 word "novel" | 20:07 |
| zakkm | soo nice to read | 20:07 |
| lcuk | ahhh speaking of which - you called into the chan at about 5am the other mornin and asked for me | 20:07 |
| janim | damn! | 20:07 |
| lcuk | zakkm, its wonderful to read with | 20:07 |
| zakkm | yeah sorry i didnt realize timezone change | 20:07 |
| zakkm | yeah i lie in bed and read it, still have trouble holding the tablet though | 20:07 |
| zakkm | how do you do it? | 20:07 |
| lcuk | i am working as fast as i can to bring the apps themselves from original liqbase into the framework :) | 20:07 |
| lcuk | i use a wooden crate | 20:07 |
| zakkm | im thinking of getting something to hang from my ceiling, like a piece of string and hanging it | 20:07 |
| lcuk | before i had that i wedge a towel through the stand and hold the towel | 20:08 |
| lcuk | i used to hold my pda between index and ring finger | 20:08 |
| lcuk | and use tiny knuckle motion to move pages | 20:08 |
| zakkm | i started to use my stomach and then put stand up and then put it on my stomach and read, but that got quite hard after awhile | 20:08 |
| * lcuk misses his loox | 20:08 | |
| Macer | i think opensolaris sucks as a desktop | 20:09 |
| zakkm | osx is the only true desktop ;D | 20:09 |
| zakkm | nothing comes close :P | 20:09 |
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| Macer | lol | 20:09 |
| jjo | tend to keep my distance | 20:09 |
| Macer | tried to get osx on my shuttle | 20:09 |
| zakkm | what mobo is in it? | 20:09 |
| Macer | couldnt get the onboard nic working | 20:09 |
| zakkm | what chipset is the onboard nic? | 20:10 |
| Macer | marvell yukon2 | 20:10 |
| Macer | ...56 | 20:10 |
| zakkm | the marvell's suck with support | 20:10 |
| Macer | i noticed ;) | 20:10 |
| lcuk | jjo, do you read with handhelds, or are you still a dead tree reader? | 20:10 |
| zakkm | 88E8040? | 20:10 |
| jjo | lcuk: dead tree | 20:10 |
| Macer | 80556 | 20:10 |
| lcuk | is that because you havent looked or simply because you work with em for too long | 20:11 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Major break-through in the speed department (for overshoot) | 20:11 |
| zakkm | someone just got the yukon 2 8040 workin ;p | 20:11 |
| zakkm | could try that one? | 20:11 |
| Macer | zakkm: i did haha | 20:11 |
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| lcuk | zakkm, this is the crate my 810 sits in | 20:11 |
| lcuk | http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7308/810crateinkx8.jpg | 20:12 |
| jjo | lcuk: I haven't really looked, haven't felt the need | 20:12 |
| Macer | and i just didnt have it in me to use a card | 20:12 |
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| lcuk | it rests perfectly on my belly when im reading a book in fb | 20:12 |
| zakkm | Macer: you could always get a cheap $2 NIC and stick that in the shuttle in pci slot? | 20:12 |
| Macer | ^ | 20:12 |
| zakkm | lcuk: a whole wooden piece? | 20:12 |
| zakkm | oh wow n810 | 20:12 |
| lcuk | yeah zakkm | 20:12 |
| lcuk | multi purpose tho :) | 20:12 |
| zakkm | thats so stupid there should be something better | 20:13 |
| lcuk | it sits at 45degrees between my keyboard and monitor | 20:13 |
| lcuk | i just drop 810 in it and its always there | 20:13 |
| zakkm | i spent like the last two nights trying to find the best position to hold it / leave it somewhere | 20:13 |
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| lcuk | http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=810cratelaptopmodetc6.jpg | 20:13 |
| zakkm | wow i want to do thatt | 20:13 |
| zakkm | i awnt that keyboard hah | 20:13 |
| Macer | zakkm: it wasnt worth the hassle | 20:13 |
| zakkm | ohh is the n810 inside the wooden thing? | 20:14 |
| lcuk | http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8233/810crateanglexe7.jpg | 20:14 |
| lcuk | yeah | 20:14 |
| Macer | i will just get a g5 or something | 20:14 |
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| lcuk | and i can rest my wrist on the wooden side and write naturally | 20:14 |
| zakkm | Macer: $2 NIC isnt worth it? | 20:14 |
| Macer | but osol has to go on the shuttle | 20:14 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: you really don't | 20:14 |
| Macer | osx isnt worth the nic ;) | 20:14 |
| zakkm | you could also use that kext, and change the vendor id/device id to yours | 20:14 |
| Macer | i have a mb | 20:14 |
| zakkm | of course it is | 20:14 |
| Macer | i tried that | 20:14 |
| Macer | still didnt work | 20:14 |
| zakkm | lcuk: hows the apple keyboard? | 20:14 |
| zakkm | i was thinking ofgetting that for my n800 | 20:15 |
| lcuk | its wonderful | 20:15 |
| lcuk | but i havent used it since i got back from the summit | 20:15 |
| lcuk | we had a falling out | 20:15 |
| zakkm | hah | 20:15 |
| zakkm | what happened? | 20:15 |
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| lcuk | it was in my bag | 20:15 |
| lcuk | and it was pressing enter | 20:15 |
| lcuk | whilst i was trying to give presentation | 20:15 |
| lcuk | \@ | 20:15 |
| zakkm | heh | 20:15 |
| zakkm | didnt you unpair it? | 20:15 |
| zakkm | turn off bluetooth on nokia? | 20:16 |
| lcuk | i was in the middle of coding with it before the presentation | 20:16 |
| lcuk | i got up shoved kb in bag and went presenting | 20:16 |
| zakkm | heh | 20:16 |
| zakkm | do you have a video of it? :P | 20:16 |
| lcuk | liqbase.net the vimeo one | 20:16 |
| lcuk | me wondering why it didnt work \@ | 20:16 |
| lcuk | only a little bit broken thankfully | 20:17 |
| lcuk | it seems like such a long time ago :) | 20:17 |
| lcuk | im so pleased with the way my code is looking | 20:17 |
| lcuk | even though im about 10 paces back | 20:17 |
| Macer | i guess i will put kubuntu on it | 20:17 |
| Macer | i like kde way more than gnome | 20:17 |
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| zakkm | Macer: eww kubuntu? | 20:18 |
| zakkm | they totally did rubbish with kde | 20:18 |
| * lcuk prefers the window manager in XP | 20:18 | |
| bobpaul | say... I've been out of it for 9 mo or so... what's the status of video chat between desktop and n8x0? still just with gizmo? | 20:18 |
| lcuk | i wish microsoft would release it for linux | 20:18 |
| Macer | kwin is nicer | 20:18 |
| zakkm | *prefers osx, and is neve rleaving it* | 20:18 |
| Macer | than gnome + compiz | 20:18 |
| zakkm | bobpaul: yup :) | 20:18 |
| zakkm | bobpaul: i think ppl gavea up on video | 20:19 |
| lcuk | no they didnt! | 20:19 |
| lcuk | i only found it a while ago | 20:19 |
| zakkm | lcuk: that didnt last long at all, or did i miss it | 20:19 |
| lcuk | its great! | 20:19 |
| Macer | zakkm: osx is ok. there are just wacky things it does | 20:19 |
| zakkm | like what? | 20:19 |
| lcuk | zakkm, what - the bug? | 20:19 |
| Macer | like forking hfs+ metadata over smb and nfs | 20:19 |
| zakkm | the keyboard thing | 20:19 |
| lcuk | it was pressing enter the whole time | 20:19 |
| Macer | into ._foo files | 20:19 |
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| lcuk | its only stars that quits on any key | 20:20 |
| zakkm | Macer: heh in a few days snow leopard will get shown with ZFS support.. | 20:20 |
| lcuk | but stars used to be my benchmark | 20:20 |
| zakkm | hfs+ will be no more | 20:20 |
| lcuk | i could tell what cpu mode it was in | 20:20 |
| Macer | wow really? | 20:20 |
| lcuk | and so it not showing threw me | 20:20 |
| Macer | they lic it from sun? | 20:20 |
| zakkm | no | 20:20 |
| zakkm | they license it ;p | 20:20 |
| Macer | apple owns zfs? | 20:20 |
| zakkm | no | 20:20 |
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| zakkm | royalties and such? | 20:21 |
| Macer | wtf? | 20:21 |
| Macer | yes | 20:21 |
| zakkm | paying sun to use it? | 20:21 |
| Macer | yah | 20:21 |
| Macer | i would guess | 20:21 |
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| Macer | thank God. hfs+ was a stupid choice of fs | 20:21 |
| zakkm | but yeah it has zfs support now, in leopard .. just not for initial filesystem | 20:21 |
| Macer | wtf? =) | 20:21 |
| zakkm | system filesystem couldnt be zfs.. but mac could always read/write to zfs | 20:22 |
| Macer | that sucks | 20:22 |
| Macer | zfs? | 20:22 |
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| zakkm | but nextt version of mac that gets shown in 3 days / leaked.. w.e will have system zfs support | 20:22 |
| Macer | you sure youre not thinking ufs? | 20:22 |
| zakkm | yess -.- | 20:22 |
| zakkm | onesec | 20:22 |
| zakkm | im not a idiot | 20:22 |
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| Macer | lol | 20:22 |
| zakkm | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Mac-OS-X-Snow-Leopard-Server-to-Get-Full-ZFS-Support-104112.shtml | 20:23 |
| Macer | so many filesystems i dont remember osx having zfs support | 20:23 |
| zakkm | http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/technology/filesystem.html | 20:23 |
| zakkm | whatever im not googling anymore | 20:23 |
| zakkm | i know the has this and doesnt have this | 20:23 |
| zakkm | i been using computers my whole life | 20:23 |
| Macer | wow | 20:23 |
| Macer | now if only they could get the wm to suck a little less | 20:24 |
| zakkm | thers nothing wrong with it | 20:24 |
| Macer | they are totally ditching the ppc stuff too right? | 20:24 |
| zakkm | yeah | 20:24 |
| zakkm | no more ppc support | 20:24 |
| zakkm | well | 20:24 |
| zakkm | we'd know forsurein 3 days | 20:24 |
| Macer | zakkm: i needed a 3rd party app to keep my mb on while the lid was closed | 20:24 |
| zakkm | wwdc is in 3 days | 20:24 |
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| zakkm | for osx? | 20:25 |
| Macer | ever try to change your desktop font color? | 20:25 |
| Macer | =) | 20:25 |
| zakkm | i use calibri | 20:25 |
| Macer | yes ... osx | 20:25 |
| zakkm | want a screenie? | 20:25 |
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| zakkm | want a screenie? | 20:25 |
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| Macer | did you have to pay for it? | 20:25 |
| Macer | heh | 20:25 |
| zakkm | font change? | 20:26 |
| zakkm | no | 20:26 |
| zakkm | onesec uploadin | 20:26 |
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| Macer | my gripe was that these sort of things werent included in the wm itself | 20:26 |
| Macer | bbl | 20:26 |
| zakkm | calibri is very nice | 20:26 |
| zakkm | wait macer ;p | 20:26 |
| zakkm | lcuk: very nice presentation ;p | 20:27 |
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| zakkm | http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/6088/picture2kzt.jpg osx screenie in all its glory :P | 20:27 |
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| zakkm | Macer: ^ | 20:28 |
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| cmug | zakkm, how do you get the mp3 info to the top like that | 20:32 |
| zakkm | bowtie + theme, would you like linked? | 20:32 |
| zakkm | cmug: ^ | 20:32 |
| zakkm | its itunes btw. | 20:32 |
| lopz | hola | 20:34 |
| zakkm | hi lopz | 20:35 |
| lopz | heya zakkm | 20:35 |
| Macer | copying in android is kinda hard | 20:35 |
| zakkm | Macer: did you see the screenie? | 20:36 |
| Macer | yeah. thats pretty nice | 20:37 |
| zakkm | i know eh :) | 20:38 |
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| Macer | realtek works? | 20:38 |
| zakkm | realtek? | 20:38 |
| Macer | 8139 | 20:38 |
| zakkm | yeah i got a realtek 1000 chip | 20:38 |
| RST38h | moo all | 20:38 |
| zakkm | ah yeah perfectly | 20:38 |
| zakkm | builtin | 20:38 |
| zakkm | the mac minis use that i believe | 20:38 |
| Macer | oh. i have a card | 20:38 |
| Macer | i will drop it in and try again | 20:38 |
| zakkm | you may need a driver depending, but its just a simple kext install | 20:38 |
| zakkm | depending on the particular card | 20:38 |
| zakkm | Macer: boot with -f -v | 20:39 |
| Macer | thats what i thought about the marvell | 20:39 |
| Macer | ;) | 20:39 |
| Macer | using boot 132? | 20:39 |
| zakkm | nah nah | 20:39 |
| zakkm | i use chameleon | 20:39 |
| Macer | do you choose large for the hd type? | 20:39 |
| zakkm | Macer: 100% support, never needed to install a kext | 20:40 |
| zakkm | large? | 20:40 |
| Macer | in the normal bios? | 20:40 |
| zakkm | i left it auto | 20:40 |
| zakkm | i installed with guid though, not mbr | 20:40 |
| Macer | when i installed chameleon i got an error | 20:40 |
| Macer | me too | 20:40 |
| Macer | got hfs+ and some other stuff and had to keep booting with the disc | 20:40 |
| zakkm | ew | 20:40 |
| Macer | error 15 or something | 20:40 |
| zakkm | come back and pm me, we really shouldnt channel chat this stuff hah | 20:41 |
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| Macer | haha. ok. i will see if youre around later | 20:41 |
| Macer | but i will try the realtek | 20:41 |
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| zakkm | when you do it , pm me | 20:41 |
| Macer | sure. thanks | 20:41 |
| zakkm | seriously sweet scrennie eh? | 20:41 |
| zakkm | i work hard skinning :) | 20:41 |
| Macer | yah | 20:41 |
| zakkm | its a weird hobby of mine | 20:41 |
| Macer | that is pretty awesome | 20:42 |
| zakkm | i have a better wallpaper that works, but its not dark and at night i like dark | 20:42 |
| Macer | i like your menu bar | 20:42 |
| zakkm | its a 22" WS monitor | 20:42 |
| zakkm | yeah i preferit black | 20:42 |
| Macer | me too ;) | 20:42 |
| zakkm | and calibri for soem reason gives me soo much more menu bar space | 20:42 |
| Macer | haha | 20:42 |
| Macer | i will msg you when i get a chance | 20:42 |
| Macer | watching my son now | 20:42 |
| zakkm | wow | 20:42 |
| * zakkm feels young :) | 20:43 | |
| Macer | lol | 20:43 |
| Macer | he's 3 :-P | 20:43 |
| Macer | im only 29 damnit! | 20:43 |
| Macer | =) | 20:43 |
| lcuk | "only" | 20:43 |
| Macer | blah! | 20:43 |
| Macer | bbl ;) | 20:43 |
| * lcuk is older | 20:43 | |
| lcuk | but beyond a certain age you can get away with forgetting exactly how old | 20:44 |
| Razumihin | Internets are getting old :( | 20:44 |
| zakkm | 18 <-- age | 20:44 |
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| Razumihin | It would be nice to know how the median age of irc users has varied over time. | 20:45 |
| jeremiah_torp | Has anyone installed the SDK+? | 20:47 |
| jeremiah_torp | It is flaking out on my | 20:47 |
| jeremiah_torp | machine | 20:47 |
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| jeremiah_torp | \c | 20:48 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 20:50 |
| jeremiah_torp | Hey Jaffa, moo RST38h | 20:50 |
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| Macer | zakkm: stop while youre young! | 20:54 |
| Macer | hurry up and get outside | 20:54 |
| zakkm | stop growing? | 20:54 |
| zakkm | lol | 20:54 |
| zakkm | i have like 6 different plans today with 6 different ppl | 20:54 |
| zakkm | im so busy with plans i have to cancel alot | 20:54 |
| Macer | good! =) | 20:55 |
| zakkm | lol | 20:55 |
| Macer | just remember that irc is just a bunch of scrolling text people | 20:55 |
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| Macer | like fight club single serving friends | 20:55 |
| zakkm | 2 malls with different ppl, tim hortons ( coffee, donut and such / chilling ) , nephews soccer game, going to friends house promised him ill give him my old harddrive cause his current 14gb got full and i got a extra 160gb, | 20:55 |
| zakkm | going to library to study with another friend | 20:56 |
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| Macer | 14GB? | 20:56 |
| Macer | wtf? | 20:56 |
| zakkm | yeah | 20:56 |
| Macer | wow | 20:56 |
| zakkm | he has a old p3 1ghz | 20:56 |
| Macer | ouch =) | 20:56 |
| Macer | cruel world | 20:56 |
| zakkm | hes so full , and i got my old 160gb just sitting in my room | 20:56 |
| zakkm | well hes not tech savvy at all | 20:56 |
| zakkm | its just for school/ a bit of music | 20:56 |
| zakkm | its not like a huge multimedia gaming computer | 20:57 |
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| Macer | i'd hope not! haha | 20:57 |
| Macer | "checj this doom game out dude!" | 20:57 |
| zakkm | well he plays risk but thats only like 60mb, and thats his whole compute rgames | 20:57 |
| zakkm | but yeah its full and i figure ahh 160gb | 20:58 |
| zakkm | but yeah i go out and such | 20:58 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | be fair. quake 2 ran on my 733MHZ P3 :P | 20:58 |
| Macer | hahahaha | 20:58 |
| zakkm | hes saving up for a lappy for university | 20:59 |
| zakkm | going to ottawa ( canada's capital ) for uni | 20:59 |
| Macer | zakkm: well. i'm going to head into my lair | 20:59 |
| zakkm | :) | 20:59 |
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| zakkm | is that code for something? | 20:59 |
| Macer | my mother is picking up my son to take him to the park and mcdonalds | 20:59 |
| zakkm | eww mcdonalds | 20:59 |
| zakkm | so expensivee | 20:59 |
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| zakkm | ive found it very expensive, maybe its just here | 20:59 |
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| Macer | shit. if it gives me a break i'd buy him a steak | 21:00 |
| Macer | hahaha | 21:00 |
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| zakkm | :D | 21:00 |
| zakkm | good and bad to hear | 21:00 |
| zakkm | nice to know you spoil him :) | 21:00 |
| Macer | it is a full time job after the full time job ;) | 21:00 |
| Macer | i try to haha | 21:00 |
| zakkm | i have a 4 year old nephew i lovee to spoil :) | 21:00 |
| Macer | he is a great boy. glad i got a good one | 21:00 |
| zakkm | hahh | 21:01 |
| Macer | some kids make me want to hit them with baseball bats | 21:01 |
| zakkm | :O | 21:01 |
| Macer | lol | 21:01 |
| zakkm | terrible | 21:01 |
| Macer | yet true | 21:01 |
| Macer | my son is pretty mellow | 21:01 |
| zakkm | teaching him the ins and outs of computers yet? | 21:01 |
| zakkm | 3 years old is a good time to start if you are :P | 21:02 |
| Macer | my ex gf had a son that was wired up on life. he put my son to shame on the hyperactive meter | 21:02 |
| Macer | zakkm: i try | 21:02 |
| zakkm | i taught my nephew at 3 years old, youtube :P | 21:02 |
| Macer | haha | 21:02 |
| zakkm | he comes over for sleepovers sometimes, kicks me off my computer.. goes on youtube and clicks on vids and such | 21:02 |
| zakkm | stands up on the chair changes the speaker volume | 21:02 |
| zakkm | all on his own | 21:03 |
| Macer | hahahahaha.. my son knows where the noggin bookmark is =) | 21:03 |
| Macer | it's scary | 21:03 |
| fiferboy | Macer: I've got a mellow 3 year-old too! | 21:03 |
| zakkm | can even play someee flash games, but not many | 21:03 |
| Macer | i dont want him to be a cave child | 21:03 |
| zakkm | whats a cave child? | 21:03 |
| Macer | inside with video games all damn day long | 21:03 |
| zakkm | ahh | 21:03 |
| zakkm | thatss teribble | 21:04 |
| Macer | kids dont go outside anymore =) | 21:04 |
| zakkm | he should go out | 21:04 |
| Macer | he does | 21:04 |
| zakkm | at 3 ;P but lateron too | 21:04 |
| zakkm | why would you wish he was a cave child? | 21:04 |
| zakkm | safe at home? | 21:04 |
| Macer | i said dont want him to be one ;) | 21:04 |
| zakkm | ooo | 21:04 |
| zakkm | ohhh lol im tiredd | 21:05 |
| Macer | brb. heading to this shuttle to do this boot 132 stuff again | 21:05 |
| Macer | and pray the realtek works | 21:05 |
| Macer | =) | 21:05 |
| zakkm | wait | 21:05 |
| zakkm | boot with -f -v | 21:05 |
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| Macer | from the 132 cd? | 21:05 |
| zakkm | if you boot with that | 21:06 |
| zakkm | rd=disk0s2 -f -v | 21:06 |
| zakkm | sort of thing | 21:06 |
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| Macer | the disk would be disk0s1 | 21:06 |
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| zakkm | k then rd=disk0s1 -f -v | 21:06 |
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| Macer | i was using the master sata 1 partition 1tb drive | 21:06 |
| Macer | ok. have to put the card in .. if youre going to be around i'll msg | 21:07 |
| zakkm | yeah for another 30min or so - ish | 21:07 |
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| Macer | alrighty | 21:19 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: ping? | 21:57 |
| lbt | hi | 21:57 |
| lbt | still building locally :) | 21:57 |
| fiferboy | Fun! | 21:59 |
| fiferboy | I have a way better solution than my previous one. | 21:59 |
| lbt | nah, trying to figre out a DVCS/packaging solution is fun .... not! | 21:59 |
| fiferboy | Faster, simpler, better. | 21:59 |
| lbt | OK? | 21:59 |
| lbt | TBH I haven't looked at the paint code ... I started and then got stuck on making the damn thing run | 22:00 |
| fiferboy | No extra functions, only local variables, same speed as your previous solution, none of the problems of my previous solution | 22:00 |
| lbt | excellent | 22:00 |
| fiferboy | Actually, I don't touch the paint code in either solution. | 22:00 |
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| lbt | have you tested it on qt4-demos ? | 22:01 |
| fiferboy | I was going to look into that, then I got into using setViewportMargins | 22:01 |
| fiferboy | No, I'll have to install those. Do they run well enough on the tablet, or should I try them in scratchbox? | 22:01 |
| lbt | tablet is a good test... | 22:02 |
| lbt | you can't see the text in the main menu though | 22:02 |
| fiferboy | I'll give it a try (if I have enough room left on my device) | 22:03 |
| KayDeeEeJon | the qt version installable from the maemo site seems to be a 4.3.2 ?? | 22:03 |
| KayDeeEeJon | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/qt4/ | 22:03 |
| lbt | extras is higher IIRC | 22:03 |
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| KayDeeEeJon | ok thx | 22:03 |
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| KayDeeEeJon | is there a site/page that presents the packages in extra link the maemo site does for the 2008 packages? | 22:09 |
| KayDeeEeJon | s/link/like/ | 22:09 |
| infobot | KayDeeEeJon meant: is there a site/page that presents the packages in extra like the maemo site does for the 2008 packages? | 22:09 |
| zakkm | KayDeeEeJon: theres the repository url? | 22:09 |
| GAN800 | Erm, 'packages in extras'? | 22:10 |
| GAN800 | downloads.maemo.org _is_ the packages in Extras | 22:10 |
| GAN800 | But, no, there's not yet a packages.maemo.org | 22:11 |
| KayDeeEeJon | do the packages in extras all show in the categories-based menu at http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/ | 22:12 |
| andre__ | hmm, are there any public screenshots of the fremantle file browser somewhere? | 22:14 |
| * andre__ wondering | 22:14 | |
| andre__ | now should i close https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2105 as wontfix or not? sigh | 22:18 |
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| lbt | eww | 22:20 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: we havent seen file manager officially yet | 22:22 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, ah good. So I shouldn't leak too much :-P | 22:22 |
| fiferboy | lbt: I had to uninstall some things, but qtdemo is running. | 22:22 |
| fiferboy | Any way to full screen it? | 22:23 |
| fiferboy | Got it, button in the bottom right | 22:23 |
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| zakkm | andre__: you know everything in fremantle that others dont? | 22:28 |
| * Jaffa saw a nice ARM-based netbook due for release shortly with a rotating tablet/netbook screen (on a Java SE Embedded stand) | 22:29 | |
| Stskeeps | if he has to be efficient punching bag internally and externally, he prolly has to | 22:29 |
| andre__ | zakkm, haha, no... but a few things at least | 22:29 |
| zakkm | andre__: how? | 22:29 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Found a problem with table/listviews | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | its prolly called a magic nda | 22:30 |
| fiferboy | As the documentation says, I have to take into account header space (margins) | 22:30 |
| lbt | fiferboy: yeah.... | 22:30 |
| andre__ | zakkm, i have access to the internal bugtracker, and that seems to mean that i also have access to some docs (and i sometimes think that nokia maybe does not know the latter) | 22:30 |
| fiferboy | Shouldn't be too bad to fix (hopefully) | 22:30 |
| zakkm | andre__: hahh awesome | 22:31 |
| andre__ | at least it's helpful to get the job done a bit better imo | 22:31 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Now I forget, what did your code do when scrolling with headers on? | 22:31 |
| fiferboy | Leave a gap between the header and the contents when overshooting? | 22:31 |
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| lbt | that would be nice | 22:32 |
| lbt | makes sense too | 22:32 |
| fiferboy | I think it is the easiest, too :) | 22:33 |
| lbt | yes, it should be | 22:34 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: Fixed it for left-to-right layouts, right-to-left should be a simple addition | 22:41 |
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| fiferboy | r-t-l will be harder to test, though :) | 22:41 |
| lbt | heh | 22:42 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: The problem is fixed, but it is a little disconcerting to have the items scroll while the headers stay in place. | 22:50 |
| lbt | don't spreadsheets do that? | 22:51 |
| fiferboy | For example, scrolling vertically with horizontal headers on, the list moves past the end but the headers on the side stay in place. | 22:51 |
| fiferboy | Spreadsheets don't normally scroll past their limits, do they? | 22:51 |
| fiferboy | Do you want a screenshot of what I am talking about? | 22:53 |
| lbt | ah | 22:55 |
| lbt | so they no longer line up... | 22:55 |
| lbt | in overshoot | 22:55 |
| lbt | ugh | 22:55 |
| lbt | :) | 22:55 |
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| fiferboy | Yes, I would think the proper thing to do would be have the header scroll off with the itme | 23:01 |
| fiferboy | But I'm not sure how to accomplish that. It could be as simple as translating the appropriate header by the same amount | 23:02 |
| fiferboy | But how to find out if the widget is using headers? | 23:02 |
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| lbt | fiferboy: I think we need to implement overshoot in the instantiated widgets too | 23:09 |
| fiferboy | Meaning? | 23:09 |
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| lbt | QGraphicsView, QMdiArea, QPlainTextEdit, QScrollArea, and QTextEdit. | 23:10 |
| lbt | ie not 'abstract' | 23:10 |
| fiferboy | Ah. Instead of in QAbstractScrollArea or in addition to? | 23:11 |
| lbt | virtual ? | 23:11 |
| lbt | so where the behaviour of the class demands a re-implementation of overshoot | 23:12 |
| fiferboy | So the instantiated widget will override the abstract implementation? | 23:12 |
| lbt | eg when it displays headers | 23:12 |
| lbt | yes... | 23:12 |
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| fiferboy | That sounds reasonable. More work, but reasonable | 23:12 |
| lbt | here my formal language breaks down | 23:12 |
| lbt | but I think virtual methods | 23:12 |
| fiferboy | And QWebView needs its own implementation anyway | 23:13 |
| lbt | yeah, IIRC it reimplements QASA | 23:14 |
| fiferboy | I think QGraphicsView is fine with the abstract implementation, as is QScrollArea | 23:14 |
| lbt | but we should be able to seperate out the fingerscroller and reuse it | 23:14 |
| lbt | heh... the cat sat on my wife's printscrn button | 23:14 |
| lbt | she has 70 knsnapshots now | 23:15 |
| lbt | and climbing ROFL | 23:15 |
| fiferboy | QAbstractItemView doesn't use headers itself, but QTableView and QListView do. | 23:15 |
| fiferboy | LOL | 23:15 |
| lbt | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qabstractitemview.html | 23:16 |
| lbt | Inherited by QColumnView, QHeaderView, QListView, QTableView, and QTreeView. | 23:16 |
| fiferboy | lbt: I will send you my latest changes. We should be happy with the base implementation before we make others | 23:16 |
| lbt | indeed | 23:16 |
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| lbt | part of the reason for just having the overshoot | 23:17 |
| lbt | was to allow this "tuning" | 23:17 |
| lbt | anything inheriting QASA may now need to implement (or stub) the overshoot to get sane behaviour though :( | 23:18 |
| lbt | I've asked gnuton to get the Qt guys to review the code and discuss the implementation design | 23:18 |
| fiferboy | Perhaps it would be better to break the finger scrolling into more functions so anything inheriting QASA can just override small portions. | 23:19 |
| fiferboy | I could easily make a drawOvershoot(int x, int y) funtction that will allow other widgets to keep the bulk of the QASA finger scrolling code | 23:19 |
| lbt | well, to my mind we have fingerscroll and overshoot | 23:19 |
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| lcuk | i gather scrolling upto the boundary is respected much better | 23:21 |
| lcuk | ie doesnt make the functions for headers etc break because the abstractitem is always within expected bounds | 23:22 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: I haven't come across any issues with scrolling within the boundaries | 23:22 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Correct | 23:22 |
| lcuk | then put that in a stand alone clean simple patch | 23:22 |
| lbt | I did | 23:23 |
| lcuk | that works everywhere and is stable | 23:23 |
| lcuk | :) | 23:23 |
| lbt | gnuton wanted bounce | 23:23 |
| lcuk | yes, bounce will need more work obviously ;) | 23:23 |
| lbt | bounce=overshoot | 23:23 |
| lbt | and that's what we're doing.... | 23:23 |
| lbt | AFAIK the fingerscroll is clean | 23:23 |
| fiferboy | lbt: The per-pixel vs per-item is also, AFAIK, a QAbstractItemView-only problem | 23:24 |
| lbt | I should really have these in discrete branches in gitorious | 23:24 |
| lbt | fiferboy: is it? | 23:24 |
| fiferboy | Yes, the QAbstractItemView has the functions for setVerticalScrollMode and setHorizontalScrollMode | 23:25 |
| lcuk | lbt, if i were implementing a header in lb, i would have it offset by the actual xy of the contents - is the overshoot "faking" the position of the item, or are the headers specifically looking for data within 0..w | 23:25 |
| lbt | ah yes | 23:25 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: The headers are distinct widgets drawn in a margin of the item view | 23:25 |
| fiferboy | They scroll in step, but changes to the viewport margins affect them strangely | 23:26 |
| lbt | I am very uncomfortable overriding ScrollPerItem | 23:26 |
| lcuk | yeah, with event handlers based on the move event of the contents | 23:26 |
| lbt | if the dev sets that... then you get that. | 23:26 |
| fiferboy | lbt: I changed the QAbstractItemView code to default to ScrollPerPixel in my build :) | 23:26 |
| lbt | if making the app tabletfriendly needs a change then do it in the app | 23:27 |
| fiferboy | There is an argument for changing the default (but still allowing override) especially on a tablet with a small screen | 23:27 |
| lbt | I don't mind adding to the framework, but overriding the developer.... sorry, we don't know best :) | 23:27 |
| lbt | well, the problem is that the default is documented | 23:28 |
| fiferboy | If you item height or width is larger than the viewport available on the tablet you will never be able to see the edges of that item (if ScrollPerItem is on) | 23:28 |
| lbt | so you don't know if they were lazy | 23:28 |
| lbt | or badly wanted the default | 23:28 |
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| lbt | and didn't need to code it :) | 23:28 |
| fiferboy | lbt: True | 23:28 |
| fiferboy | If they see their desired behaviour is the default they won't explicitly override it | 23:29 |
| lbt | I think if an app has items that large | 23:29 |
| lbt | then we need to change the app | 23:29 |
| lbt | so I will strongly suggest we don't break the defined behaviour | 23:29 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: I agree, I just did that on my build so I wouldn't have to change the default of every scroll area in my program | 23:30 |
| lbt | gnuton also does some 'clever' tricks in the framework to hack on menu items too | 23:30 |
| fiferboy | In other words, I was lazy | 23:30 |
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| fiferboy | Well, I have to go | 23:31 |
| lbt | 'k | 23:31 |
| lbt | thanks for this... | 23:31 |
| fiferboy | Looks like there is more work than I thought left for finger scrolling... | 23:31 |
| lbt | drop me what you have :) | 23:31 |
| fiferboy | It should be sent now | 23:31 |
| lbt | got it | 23:32 |
| fiferboy | When we decide what should be done next I'll start working on something | 23:32 |
| lbt | I'd like to get this sorted and into gitorious | 23:32 |
| lbt | and then see gnuton's tree in there | 23:33 |
| fiferboy | That is probably a good next move. I'll really have to learn more aobut GIT | 23:33 |
| * lbt nods | 23:33 | |
| fiferboy | Fortunately there is some good documentation ;) | 23:33 |
| fiferboy | Talk to you later. | 23:33 |
| lbt | lots of tutorials too ;) | 23:33 |
| lbt | l8r | 23:33 |
| lbt | thanks | 23:33 |
| fiferboy | np | 23:34 |
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