IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2009-05-10

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StskeepsRST38h: turns out that i can̈́'t even do alignment, it's some insane panel thing :)00:10
RST38hMmm?00:12
RST38hYou can always insert a spacer, can't you?00:12
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* RST38h is at a balcony, observing a perfect conclusion to the holiday: 100m flame from a blown gas pipeline at the southwest00:13
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fireunwhat, no pictures?00:13
RST38hMmm, I can probably shoot one, but am too lazy to do it00:14
RST38hThere is a minor disadvantage of some highrise blocking most of the flame from the line of sight, but it is large enough for the show anyway00:15
RST38hAh, cool, it also blew up a gas station00:17
RST38hHere is your picture: http://img.beta.rian.ru/images/16672/32/166723203.jpg00:17
lcukholy fuck!00:17
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b-manlol00:17
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RST38hRIAN guys obviously got a better viewing spot00:18
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lcukits mordor http://images.epilogue.net/users/timovihola/mordor.jpg00:19
RST38hlcuk: Little Mordor indeed00:19
lcukaccidental leak or arson?00:20
lbtRST38h: got a bigger pic .. would make a good Mer background...00:20
RST38hNews say "explosion", so who knows00:20
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lcukactually, whichever it is - its an excuse for energy companies to put prices up again00:21
RST38hlbt: Wait until tomorrow, I will get you one :)00:21
lbt:)00:21
RST38hnaah, there is enough of this crap here =)00:21
fireunRST38h: wow00:21
luke-jrRST38h: http://img.beta.rian.ru/images/16672/32/166723203.jpg <-- open source BME attempt?00:21
lcukoverclocking issue00:21
* lcuk goes back to peeking at swig00:22
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RST38hAmateur fireworks experiment gone terribly wrong.00:23
lcukpotent beanfest00:23
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RST38hall right, <sleep>00:26
thopiekarany maemo.org admin here?00:28
thopiekarX-Fade: PING00:28
crashanddiethopiekar, what is the issue?00:30
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thopiekarno issueses I just want you to remove a project and rename another or to remove both.. :)00:31
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crashanddiemay I ask on whose authority we would do such a thing?00:31
thopiekaron the project owner's authority :)00:32
crashanddiethopiekar, the admins work regular office hours most of the time, you'll have more chance to catch 'em during the week, rather than a saturday night00:32
thopiekark00:33
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lbt.log setup :Stable and :Stable:HW:* series projects00:34
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lcuklbt, merbot is that way >>>>>>>>00:34
* lbt is sleepy00:35
lcukheh00:35
lcuk\o qwerty00:35
lbthow do you know how my tabs are laid out?00:35
lcukalphabetical i should hope ;)00:35
lbthah - not even close!00:35
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fireunhmm, not high enough res for a good background, coulda woulda00:41
lcukfireun, strikingly similar pic http://lfm.mit.edu/blog/drewhill/files/nuclear-explosion.jpg00:42
VDVsxlcuk, you are working with swig for bindings ? or is other stuff :P00:45
lcukjust thinking and wondering :)00:46
lcukVDVsx, i got a bit of a binary together http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=285896&postcount=260 :) makes testing easier but its buggy n stuff00:47
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VDVsxlcuk, cool, I thought we will have python bindings when you mentioned swig :P00:48
Macerhm00:49
lcukwell the api for the library is hardening nicely now and im just wondering if its possible00:49
VDVsxlcuk, for python bindings cython is better/simple than swig IMHO :)00:53
lcukim not interested in the bindings themselves, im trying to find out if theres anything specific that might make like easier in the future with it00:53
lcukie a little time now pre-prearing the api and arguments etc could make life much easier in future00:54
VDVsxlcuk, ah ok :)00:54
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VDVsxlcuk, write some simple docs with the available api, it will probably give you a different picture00:56
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crashanddieVDVsx, you did not just tell lcuk what to do, did you?01:22
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crashanddiein a relative time dimension, obviously, "just" being relative to the space between my mouse cursor and your line of text on the screen01:24
Pavlovwin 3101:24
VDVsxcrashanddie, Is just a suggestion01:25
crashanddiethen phrase it like one01:25
crashanddie"you might want to consider..."01:26
crashanddie"I've heard of projects where ..."01:26
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crashanddieNobody tells the guv what to do.01:26
lcuktracy would beg to differ01:27
crashanddieyeah, but Tracy is your wife01:27
crashanddiehardly "Nobody"01:27
VDVsxsorry lcuk, not my intention :(01:28
lcukhow are you now you are home?01:28
crashanddieplus, she's wearing the one wearing the pants at home01:28
locutusdoes maemo always think theres no connection when it cant resolv its own adress from a DNS server?01:28
crashanddies/wearing //01:28
infobotcrashanddie meant: plus, she's the one wearing the pants at home01:28
lcukVDVsx, i know its not documented, but that is in part what summer is for :)01:28
crashanddielocutus, context?01:29
locutuscrashanddie: when using the connection manager01:29
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crashanddielcuk, I arrived at my residence nearly 9 hours ago01:29
crashanddielocutus, mind being more specific? Use case?01:30
lcukbut you dont settle in until your feet are on the desk and you areo n your Nth beer01:30
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crashanddie"you don't settle in." <-- fixed01:31
crashanddiedon't forget, I hate this place01:31
lcukgood point01:31
lcukthis finger tampon is driving me nuts01:31
crashanddieis that an oephemism?01:32
crashanddies/oe/eu/01:32
infobotcrashanddie meant: is that an euphemism?01:32
lcukits turned fluffy01:32
lcukkeeps catchin on my stubble and its a big long white thing with string attached01:33
lcukits a finger tampon :|01:33
crashanddie1/ shave01:33
crashanddie2/ don't use it as a tampon01:33
lcukagreed on #201:33
crashanddie3/ stop fingering everything around you01:33
lcukbut i cant get it wet01:33
lcukits hard to shave with one hand01:33
crashanddiehard to shave with one hand?01:33
crashanddieHow many hands do you need?01:33
crashanddieyou're a lefty, stop complaining, chop chop01:34
* lcuk slaps u01:34
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crashanddieoi!, I still weigh probably double your weight, and I know where you get pissed01:34
lcukheh ive been there once!01:35
lcuki also nearly fell over the edge- its like rock climbing in there01:35
crashanddiewell I'll track the fluffy bits of tampon on the trains to find ya01:35
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lcukheh01:35
crashanddieand bribe enrique fans with loud tunes to tell me where you got off01:36
crashanddie(the train)01:36
lcukoh, thats easy jake could tell you every single station lol01:36
lcukhe loves goin on the train01:36
crashanddiequite funny, on the train back home, I see this (not too bad looking mum) get on, with a portable baby-transporter (can't remember the name)01:37
crashanddieanyway, she sits down in front of me, and some dude sits down next to her, they speak english, but she has this accent that sounds so familiar01:38
crashanddieshe gets her baby, and starts speaking french to the kid, but not the usual kind of french, not just regular french, the accent I detected becomes more distinct01:38
lcuk:)01:39
lcukbaby-transporter == pram01:40
crashanddieI look up from my laptop screen, and ask --speaking french-- if she's from Jodoigne or Wavre in Belgium, she smiles and then realises what I just asked01:40
lcuktho transporter sounds scifi lol01:40
crashanddieher eyes grow wide, and her smile disappears01:40
lcuk?01:41
crashanddiethe dude doesn't like it, and asks her what I just said (he sounded pretty british), she just replies "I don't know who you are, but you shouldn't stalk people like that, or at least introduce yourself"01:41
crashanddieI don't get it, she then continues, "where do you know me from?" I explain I recognised her accent, she didn't believe me, they actually changed to the next coach01:42
lcukoooer01:43
crashanddiegotta love how people trust ya these days... Do I really look that harmful?01:43
lcukno but you do look official lol01:43
crashanddieoh feck off01:43
Bobbe_what's the page for the wiki on how to clone the to an sd card?01:43
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crashanddieBobbe, please start making sense01:44
Bobbethere's a wiki page with detailed on how to clone maemo to an sd card01:44
crashanddieBobbe, or find the wiki page about english grammar, whichever is more important to you.01:44
Bobbe*detailed info01:44
BobbeI missed one word, crashanddie01:44
Bobbecrashanddie, a better speaker of the language would have caught it01:45
Bobbebut never mind01:45
lcukhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card01:45
crashanddieactually, you missed multiple words in consecutive sentences ;)01:45
thopiekar_tablethi01:45
lcukshurrup i understood him01:45
lcukhiya thopiekar_tablet01:45
Bobbethanks lcuk01:45
lcukyw :)01:46
thopiekar_tabletis it possible to mount a ftp-server on my tablet?01:46
crashanddieBobbe, and I'll challenge you to my English skills any time of the day ;)01:46
lcukdont see why not01:46
thopiekar_tablethi lcuk :)01:46
Bobbecrashanddie, I won't deign to answer that, sorry. I'm older than 1201:46
crashanddiethopiekar_tablet, I don't know if there's any software readily available, would scp not fulfil your needs?01:47
crashanddieBobbe, sure you are :)01:48
lcukdamn01:48
crashanddiethopiekar_tablet, proftpd seems to be available01:48
lcuki forgot to erase your whiteboard01:48
thopiekar_tabletmakes it possible to mount the ftp on the root-fs?01:48
Bobbeoh, and by the way, fulfill is double-l01:49
thopiekar_tabletthe root-fs of my tablet..01:49
crashanddieBobbe, single L is british english, kthxbai :)01:51
Bobbewhich ur not01:51
Bobbeok, me out01:51
crashanddieand I'm not allowed to speak British English based on what grounds?01:52
crashanddieI should speak American English because I wasn't born on some ground part of the UK?01:52
thopiekar_tabletcu l8er01:53
crashanddiethopiekar_tablet, take care01:53
thopiekar_tablet(sleep'n)01:53
crashanddiethopiekar_tablet, you should be able to mount a partition over SSH also, just FYI :)01:53
crashanddiethopiekar_tablet, have a good one01:53
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thopiekar_tabletthx , crashanddie01:54
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Bobbeis there something similar to nano (or the old pico) for the n800? I personally find vi quite annoying02:15
mavhcthere's nano02:16
ShadowJKenable extras, get root, apt-get install nano02:16
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BobbeThx02:19
ShadowJKthe top-10 download list on garage is scary :-)02:27
luke-jrlink?02:28
ShadowJKhttps://garage.maemo.org/02:29
ShadowJKthat python for s60 has shot up to second place in just a few weeks :)02:29
luke-jrGAH02:30
luke-jrthe Japanese again02:30
ShadowJKlol02:30
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mavhcwhy is it on maemo.org?02:55
ShadowJKdunno :)02:56
ShadowJKit was on sourceforge before02:56
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crashanddieis there no policy to remove such projects from maemo.org?03:04
ShadowJKtoo late now :)03:05
crashanddiereally?03:05
crashanddieBecause the way I see it, 80k downloads at 20meg a pop is going to be quite costly in bandwidth03:05
ShadowJKyes well, if nokia puts it somewhere else it's still nokia's bandwidth bill...03:06
crashanddiedoesn't matter03:06
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, eh, Nokia's footing the bills.03:06
crashanddieeach project has its own budget03:06
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* GeneralAntilles has IKEA shellshock03:07
lcukheh gan why03:07
ShadowJKyou think maemo and opensource are in different "projects"? :-)03:07
GeneralAntilleslcuk, spent a couple hours wandering around a giant one today.03:07
crashanddieyou really think the ministry of defence can just use up $20 million from the health ministry's budget and go "well, it's the US paying anyway"03:07
crashanddieShadowJK, yes, I do, and I know.03:08
lcukGeneralAntilles, they are all giant ones, the missus has one rule when we go - if you can carry if, you can have it03:08
lcuki've seen her like a frikkin packhorse tho03:08
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, one might look at it as giving tekojo more ammo to get a bigger server budget, too. ;)03:09
GeneralAntillesBut, whatever, S60 stuff really doesn't belong on Garage.03:09
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GeneralAntilleslcuk, biggest in the southeast US, I think.03:09
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles, and one might look at it and go "fuck me, that maemo project really is expensive, let them pay for their own webserver, we don't have to host their stupid pet projects, kill the garage"03:10
crashanddieactually, just to prove a point, I'm going to download the whole garage website right now.03:12
GeneralAntilleslol03:13
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Bobbeis the extras repo working?03:41
Bobbeapp manager updates it and says it's ok, but apt-get install nano says no such package03:42
Bobbeand I don't see it in apt-get update, tho it's in the repo's list in the app manager03:42
luke-jrnano works fine in Gentoo <.<03:43
Bobbenever tried gentoo ;). is the takes-two-days-to-install thing true?03:44
Macerhm03:45
Macerdownloading the android src03:45
Macerjust to get my bt keyboard to work on it03:46
Macerwtf :)03:46
luke-jrBobbe: depends on how you install it03:47
luke-jrBobbe: if yuo want the full KDE 4.2 from source, it'll take at least 2 days on a N81003:47
ShadowJKapt-cache search nano03:48
ShadowJK?03:48
Bobbejust a sec ShadowJK03:51
Bobbeluke-jr, ur running gentoo on a n800?03:51
ShadowJKand also what version OS do you have installed? Control panel -> About product03:51
BobbeDiablo 43-703:51
ShadowJKhm03:52
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luke-jrBobbe: yeah03:52
Bobbecool ;)03:52
Bobbevideos?03:52
ShadowJKmaybe it's in the sdk repo :/03:52
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Bobbethe bizarre thing is that I don't see anything about maemo.repository.org/extras in apt-get update04:01
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Bobbewhat's the file with the repos? The one I can edit manually? Something .list, I guess, don't remember04:02
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GAN8001 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager'list04:08
GAN8001s/'/./04:08
infobotGAN8001 meant:  /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list04:08
luke-jrBobbe: videos of what?04:10
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Bobbegentoo on the n80004:11
luke-jrBobbe: why? it's just like Gentoo on anything else04:11
Bobbedoes the keyboard work?04:11
luke-jrto some large degree04:12
Bobbelol04:12
luke-jrwait04:14
luke-jrn80004:14
luke-jryou don't *have* a keyboard04:14
Bobbelol04:17
crashanddiethat's a fairly bold statement :)04:17
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, it's getting rather late here in London, and I can't remember what about, but there is something I need to talk to you about04:19
crashanddieand my prose is starting to make as much sense as a french cancan04:20
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, so give me a shout when you're up and about tomorrow, hopefully my old brain will have recovered04:20
crashanddietake care gents, have a good one04:21
GAN8001crashanddie, later.04:22
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Macerhm. i downloaded win704:43
Maceranybody here try it?04:43
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fireunsinner04:55
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lopzbye04:57
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Bobbelol05:14
BobbeI did Macer05:14
Bobbepretty decent, compared to vista05:15
Bobbe(which is not saying much, really)05:15
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xnt14Macer: yup tried it, its better than vista but it doesn't beat linux05:36
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mamurai can't install wizard-mount in my N800. someone help me ?06:09
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mamurae em português, será que alguém pode me ajudar ???06:16
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l7hmm, anyone around?07:49
* b-man 07:49
xnt14xd07:50
b-manlol07:50
* xnt14 07:50
xnt14xD07:50
xnt14l7 Yup07:51
b-man07:51
xnt1407:51
b-manXD07:51
* xnt14 XD07:51
* xnt14 07:51
luke-jrwtf07:51
* b-man OMHLOLROFL07:51
luke-jrYandere, you two monkeys07:51
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xnt14luke-jr: were working on a project :P07:52
luke-jrbs flooding?07:52
luke-jreitehr way, it's a bad excuse07:52
xnt14no in a private message xD07:52
b-man*window07:53
xnt14b-man just posted randomly  i guess07:53
xnt14xD07:53
b-manXD07:53
l7cool, it felt too quiet07:53
xnt14btw luke-jr what do you suggest as a codename for a project?07:53
luke-jrPizzaz07:54
xnt14:P xd07:54
xnt14b-man what do you think?07:54
b-manXP07:54
b-manmm07:54
luke-jrNOT XP07:54
b-manlol07:55
xnt14:P07:55
xnt14rofl07:55
samueldrI've got a name for a project that will guarantee that it will not fail08:00
b-manok08:00
xnt14what?08:01
luke-jrFoobar08:01
xnt14is it?08:01
xnt14xD08:01
b-manlolololololol08:01
luke-jr"Test"08:01
b-man^ lol08:01
xnt14I really loled after that08:01
luke-jr"Prototype"08:01
xnt14again \/08:01
xnt14brb08:01
b-man^  \o/ ^08:01
luke-jrok ok08:03
luke-jrfor real08:03
luke-jr"FinishMeOrDie"08:03
b-manXD08:03
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xnt14Ok I have to go to sleep08:06
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penguinbaitWAKE UP08:08
b-manlol08:08
penguinbaitas you were :)08:08
* b-man is bored08:09
b-man>>>RANDOM>(-^-)<RANDOM<<<08:09
b-manlol08:09
penguinbait( . ) ( . )08:09
penguinbaitlol08:09
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b-man<(o.o)><(o.o<)08:10
b-manlol08:10
b-man(Δ_Δ)08:11
penguinbaitLAEMO ?08:11
penguinbait:)08:11
b-man(Ω_Ω)     lol08:11
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b-man(•)_(•)08:12
penguinbaitnice :)08:12
penguinbaitheh08:12
b-manROFL08:12
penguinbait5 beers :)08:12
* b-man doesn't drink beer - he's 1608:13
penguinbaitI used to be able to drink 12 beers and 12 shots before making boobs on IRC :)08:13
b-manlol08:13
penguinbaitwher r u ?08:14
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b-manBowling Green, Ohio08:14
penguinbaitso its 1:14 here too08:14
penguinbaitso its 1:14 there too08:14
b-manabout 136 miles from you lol08:14
b-manyup08:14
penguinbaitI just sent my 16 year old to bed08:15
penguinbaithe is probably on IRC on his Itouch08:15
penguinbaitJacob ?08:15
penguinbaithehe08:15
b-manlistening in lol08:15
b-manis he ever on here?08:16
penguinbaitnope08:16
penguinbaithe is busy looking at lesbian porn, play halo, call of duty08:16
penguinbaitlittle shit08:16
fireunall at the same time!08:16
b-manlol08:17
penguinbaitI know your 16, but your gonna go blind :)08:17
RST38hall of this on his iPhone?08:17
b-mannah lol08:17
penguinbaithe has laptop, itouch, xbox08:17
RST38hand frigid too08:17
* b-man allrety (sometimes) wares glasses08:18
RST38hNow, gentlemen, who wanted the pictures of our local Mount Doom?08:18
* b-man turns down his loud music08:19
RST38hHere, enjoy: http://top.rbc.ru/photoreport/10/05/2009/301274.shtml08:20
RST38h200m flame, etc.08:21
* b-man saw that earlier08:22
penguinbaitwhat is this? I can't read Consonants?08:23
RST38hgas pipeline explosion08:25
penguinbaitwhere?08:25
RST38hSouthwest of Moscow08:25
penguinbaitaccident, terror, unknown?08:26
RST38hNobody knows yet but probably an accident08:26
penguinbaitmiddle of nowhere, or populated, people hurt?08:28
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Shadow__Xhow do i edit bash on os2008 to be more like the bash on a current linux dist09:01
Shadow__Xthe most notable thing would be displaying current user@n810:~$pwd09:02
GAN8001Impeachment. That's really some classy shit. . . .09:03
LiraNunaanyone knows what javascript engine does Tear use?09:03
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RST38hWho gets impeached this time?09:08
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RST38hShadow: OS2008 has busybox, not bash09:08
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RST38hShadow: You can install real bash separately, although AFAIK there are several problems with that09:08
Shadow__Xhmm i installed bash3 what issues are there09:09
RST38hCheck ITT - there were a few discussions about it. I am not using bash, so can't comment in detail09:09
RST38hAh, I see it, impeachment.09:10
Shadow__Xalso where can i find gcc and make09:11
Shadow__Xalso gnu readline library09:11
RST38hgood question, let's see...09:11
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RST38hI would start by checking Extras-Devel09:11
Shadow__Xhmm i kinda recal that one being dangerous to mounted shares while using apt-get upgrade09:12
RST38hbut you won't be using upgrade09:15
RST38hnever upgrade with devel enabled09:15
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Shadow__Xyeah so i have learned09:15
Shadow__X:(09:15
Shadow__Xalso dont mount a share unless you need to09:15
RST38hI do not see how that would be affected09:17
Shadow__Xwell if a package on devel says to remove remote share09:17
Shadow__Xit deletes it09:17
Shadow__Xit deleted a TB of stuff09:17
RST38hWhy would a good behaved package say that?09:17
Shadow__Xbecause it was a bad mean one09:18
Shadow__Xhiding as a nice one09:18
RST38hShadow: Bring it up with X-Fade, he must know09:18
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Shadow__Xalso os2008 is called diablo correct?09:22
RST38hyes09:22
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LiraNuna<Shadow__X> also where can i find gcc and make // on the tablet?09:24
Shadow__Xyes09:25
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Shadow__XLiraNuna, yes09:28
LiraNuna.. and my wife took my tablet09:33
Shadow__Xis that the only place make is located09:34
Shadow__X:)09:34
LiraNunaShadow__X, are you trying to build something on the tablet itself?09:36
Shadow__Xyes09:36
LiraNunawhy not try to cross compile?09:36
Shadow__Xok sure how do i do that09:36
LiraNunaon your computer:09:36
Shadow__Xno how do i compile for arm09:37
LiraNuna./configure --build=arm-linux-gnueabi09:37
LiraNunayou need to have arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc in your path09:37
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Shadow__Xwhat path09:38
LiraNuna$PATH09:38
LiraNunayou are on a linux host, right?09:38
Shadow__Xah ok so export it to that09:38
Shadow__Xyes09:38
LiraNunaexport PATH=$PATH:/path/to/maemo/sdk/gcc09:38
LiraNunaI think09:38
LiraNunaI'm on 64bit and don't have maemo sdk set up yet09:39
Shadow__Xi dont have maemo sdk either09:39
* LiraNuna needs to compile gcc for arm-linux-gnueabi09:39
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LiraNunado you have arm-linux-gnueabi binutils and gcc?09:39
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Shadow__Xno09:39
LiraNunaI seriously need to setup a guide for that09:39
Shadow__Xhmm09:40
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Shadow__Xso what does that mean for me then09:40
LiraNunayou got two choices09:43
LiraNunawell, three09:43
LiraNuna1) get the maemo sdk and use that as a cross compiler09:43
LiraNuna2) compile binutils and gcc for target arm-linux-gnueabi09:43
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LiraNuna3) see if make/binutils/gcc are available for maemo09:44
Shadow__Xwhats the best one09:44
Shadow__Xi just wanted to see microdc on my tablet as a proof that its plausible09:44
LiraNunamicrodc?09:44
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Shadow__Xhttp://www.nongnu.org/microdc/09:45
LiraNunais that a pure command line tool?09:46
Shadow__Xyes09:46
LiraNunait's highly likely to work then09:46
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Shadow__Xok well make binutils and gcc for the tablet using redpill mode09:47
Shadow__Xbut i also dont want to break my system09:47
LiraNunaI don't think installing binutils/gcc will break your tablet in any way09:48
LiraNunait will just take a massive amount of time09:48
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Shadow__Xhmm right09:48
Shadow__Xwell i rather compile on my desktop then09:48
LiraNunafor that, you'd need a cross compiler09:49
LiraNunamaemo sdk provides one09:49
Shadow__Xhttp://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_4-1-2_diablo/09:49
Shadow__Xis that the right one09:49
LiraNunaI believe so09:50
LiraNunasadly it does not work on 64bit systems, so I can't test it09:50
LiraNunaI could hack the installer script to pass the check, but who knows the implications09:51
Shadow__Xi am running 64bit09:51
LiraNunathen I'm afraid you are stuck in my situation then... :(09:53
* LiraNuna retrieves gcc sources09:53
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Shadow__Xwhy cant the sdk run 64bit09:54
LiraNunaI'm not sure, the installer script complain it will only run on i386 (32bit)09:55
Shadow__Xhmm09:56
LiraNunasure, I could bypass the check, but I don't know what it does09:56
Shadow__Xi will let you test first09:57
LiraNunaand I'd probably have to symlink a lot of libraries09:57
l7is e2fsprogs supposed to be in extras?09:57
LiraNunaI'd rather build a cross compiler09:57
Shadow__Xhow do you do that09:57
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inzThere are 64-bit deb -packages of scratchbox09:58
LiraNunayou set binutils/gcc to target arm-linux-gnueabi09:59
LiraNunainz, what is scratchbox? all I want is a compiler09:59
inzLiraNuna, scratchbox is what maemo SDK uses to make cross compiling look like native compiling10:00
LiraNunasorry for the dumb questions, I'm not used to SDKs, I'm a low level ARM hacker10:00
LiraNunainz, ./configure --target=... won't work?10:00
LiraNuna--host/--build10:00
inzLiraNuna, that's what sbox tries to hide, all of it10:01
LiraNunaor is it designed to easy to use?10:01
LiraNunaah10:01
LiraNunaso I can do it myself :D10:01
* LiraNuna is used to compiling his own toolchain10:01
inzLiraNuna, so you just run ./configure; make10:01
LiraNunachroot?10:01
inzLiraNuna, yes, chroot and qemu thrown in at some places10:02
LiraNunaI see; I believe I'm experienced enough to do it the "hard" way10:02
inzYou are free to shoot yourself in the leg ;)10:03
LiraNunatrust me I did it already10:03
LiraNunaI got ~7 cross compilers in my dev system10:03
inz"Good" for you10:03
LiraNunahaha10:03
Shadow__Xuh so guys10:05
Shadow__Xlol10:05
fireun1LiraNuna: the sandbox way seems like the "hard" way to me10:05
LiraNunaShadow__X, I'm building a cross compiler, this may take time10:05
Shadow__Xhow do i compile microdc to run on my tablet10:05
Shadow__Xk10:05
LiraNunafireun1, sandbox as in scratchbox?10:06
fireun1scratchbox, sandbox, <shrug>10:06
LiraNunafireun1, I've never used the official SDK, so I don't know what it has10:06
fireun1I tried to use it, got frustrated by the silly sand/scratchbox approach10:07
inzOh it has everything10:07
fireun1seemed like a pita to me10:07
* LiraNuna is oldschool10:07
fireun1my experience is just with embedded dev, so I always cross compiled for multiple targets10:08
fireun1but not like the maemo stuff10:09
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l7hmm do dropbear and openssh cause any conflicts?10:15
Stskeepstry probably try to listen on same port? :P10:15
Shadow__XStskeeps, can i install the sdk on sdk10:17
Stskeepswaay to early for such a question :P10:17
l7fanoush's init_flasher script said could install dropbear for advanced network recovery10:18
Shadow__Xsdk on 64bit sorry10:18
l7but maybe that's only located on the bootloader10:18
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LiraNunaanyone with the official SDK here?10:19
inzofficial 'nuff10:20
inzNeed som'n compiled for you?10:20
LiraNunainz, can you paste the output of arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc -v for me, please?10:20
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lbtdo these files exist on a plain http server anywhere : https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/releases/0.2/?root=bluemaemo11:31
lbtie not inside some html markup....11:32
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Stskeepsask vdsvx i guess :)11:32
Stskeepsvdvsx11:32
lbtgoshawk asked for them :)11:32
Stskeepsi suspect it's in maemo extras so11:36
RST38hlbt: You wanted big pictures of the Mount Doom?11:37
lbtthe gas flare?11:37
RST38hyea11:37
lbtStskeeps: it's not in extras :(11:38
lbthttp://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/source/b/11:38
RST38hhttp://community.livejournal.com/idu_shagayu/1836568.html?#cutid1 and http://top.rbc.ru/photoreport/10/05/2009/301274.shtml11:38
lbtRST38h: that one yesterday... was that yours?11:39
RST38hdepends on what you mean by "mine" - I do not generally blow gas pipelines11:39
lbthttp://img.beta.rian.ru/images/16672/32/166723203.jpg11:39
lbtheh11:39
RST38hyeah11:40
lbtI like that one....11:40
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lbtbest one I've seen ;)11:41
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lcukmornin chan, v6sa14:43
lcukeveryone gone out for sunday lunch?14:43
v6saDno14:44
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Stskeepsmorning keesj15:25
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GeneralAntillesApple replaced practically everything in the machine and it still doesn't work.17:35
kfxthat can't be right17:36
kfxit "just works"17:36
lcukGeneralAntilles, which part doesnt work?17:37
lcukthe furry diceo n the mirror?17:37
GeneralAntilleslcuk, apparently they're ordering a new video card.17:37
lcukwhat doesnt work tho?17:37
lcukno use ordering or replacing the hard drive for a video problem etc17:38
GeneralAntilleslcuk, I think they're just guessing at this point.17:38
GeneralAntillesThe only thing that's left to replace is the graphics card and RAM17:38
lcukok i am guessing to - what symptoms were you having17:39
GeneralAntilleslcuk, it took a piss all over itself.17:39
crashanddieaaah, GA, just the man I wanted to see17:39
lcukcheck the bladder unit then17:39
GeneralAntillesThe inside of the case was coated with vital fluids. :P17:39
lcukand make sure it knows how to open the bathroom door17:39
GeneralAntillesAh, crashanddie, just the man I don't want to see?17:40
crashanddieeasier: don't put a door in the bathroom, very interesting when a girl moves in with ya17:40
crashanddiedayum, don't you like me anymore :(17:40
lcukits less interesting when that girl invites her mum over and she discovers you17:41
crashanddiesurely she wouldn't invite the mum to the communal place if the guy never met her before17:42
crashanddiethat's like rule number 3 in the "DON'T DO" list of relationships17:42
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, I'm not sure, that's why I put a question mark on the end. :P17:42
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, I guess I answered that then, seeing I didn't put a question mark at the end of my sentence17:42
GeneralAntillesIt also depends on what, exactly, you want to see me about.17:43
crashanddieabout a dog17:43
GeneralAntillesIf it's the plantar warts, then I don't really need to hear about it. ;)17:43
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles, PM17:45
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kozakHi Stskeeps19:02
Stskeeps'lo kozak :)19:03
kozakHows mer going... its been sometime since I used my baord!19:04
kozakheld up with work :(19:04
Stskeepsit's going fine :) meeting in copenhagen at the end of this month19:04
Stskeepsand we switched to opensuse build service totally19:05
Stskeepsno scratchbox19:05
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kozakoh cool new UI enhancements as well! Also heard QT might also come in at some point of time!19:20
lbtin to what?19:21
kozakinto mer!19:21
kozakno?19:21
lbtit's already there....19:21
lbthttp://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/3508663122/19:22
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kozaknice ... I think there was a thought that QT might not come in at all... may be a couple of months back19:23
lbtheh - I wanted Shopper... so needed Qt ;)19:24
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kozak:)19:30
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lcukive got an ssh session into the laptop, anyone know how do i show a message onto the desktop for the logged in user?19:59
lcukits runnin ubuntu20:00
Stskeepsexport DISPLAY=:0 and xmessage? :P20:01
lcukta Stskeeps :)20:01
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RST38hmoo sts, lcuk20:09
Stskeepsmoo RST38h20:09
Stskeepshow's the gas pipeline? ended up in news here :P20:10
RST38hso far, no visible traces left20:10
RST38hone building damaged (a research institute), 12 cars burned, 5 people injured (motorists driving y when it blew). As far as I know, they turned the gas off.20:11
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Stskeepsdramatic brackets, t][s][o ;)20:25
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t][s][ocrud, connection issues...20:25
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lcukRST38h, \o21:49
lcuk(i have lag)21:49
* b-man notices that someone is trying to copy his profile on one of his websites again >.>21:49
b-manwhy is it allwase me.21:49
b-manxP21:49
lcuksplit personality?21:49
lcukwhen you think you are asleep your alter ego goes out and sets up random websites21:49
RST38h"When she makes contact with a human, she will immediately begin invading their abdominal area with her index finger through the navel. Upon making contact with some organ within the body of her victim (what organ she reaches for is unknown), SCP-106 will immediately explode with the force of a 20 kt nuclear bomb."21:49
b-manlcuk: lol21:50
lcukRST38h, how did they discover it was female?21:50
lcukand does the explosion only occur because she *couldnt* find the organ she was expecting21:51
RST38hlcuk: I guess cctv footage is safe to watch21:51
RST38halso: "Additionally, she doesn't seem to be able to look directly up; whether this is a physical or mental incapability or merely an aversion to looking in that direction is unknown."21:51
* b-man does admit that he does have a split personality though21:51
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lcukb-man, i wouldv thought some of you would disagree21:52
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b-manb-man=b-man16=FireFox=FireFox1621:53
Stskeepsb-man: you just try to score some of the freenode chicks, obviously.21:53
lcukerror L-VALUE cannot be assigned a result21:53
b-manXD21:53
b-manlcuk: lol21:53
lcuku should use == for equality21:54
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b-manlcuk: your spending too much time writing c lol21:54
lcuki do the same in visual basic, the compiler shouts at me21:54
lcuki also have to curse quite often between different comment syntax21:55
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b-manmain(){ b-man == b-man16 == firefox == firefox16 }21:56
b-manlol21:56
* b-man has been teaching himself c for the past fuew days21:58
lcukerror, missing ; near }21:58
lcukand theres other things, ur variable names are expressions :P21:58
b-man#include <stdio.h>21:58
b-manmain()21:58
b-man{21:58
b-man#define b-man b-man1621:59
b-man#define firefox firefox1621:59
b-man}21:59
lcuknow, if you manage to post that in #c and dont get disconnected from the internet you are a true god22:00
RST38h#define ; printf("Hello! I am line %d\n",__LINE__);22:00
b-manhehe22:00
lcukdamn RST38h that would be good,but it breaks logic22:01
b-manlcuk, compile this:22:02
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b-man#include <stdio.h>22:03
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b-manmain(){22:03
b-manint ch;22:03
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lcukarghhhhh i was thinking "wow hes learnt the right way to use { and }, then u go and screw it up by puttin it on the same line ;)22:03
b-manint linecount = 0;22:04
b-manint charcount = 0;22:04
b-manwhile  ( (ch = getchar()) != EOF)22:04
b-man{22:04
b-mancharcount++;22:05
b-manif (ch == '\n')22:05
b-manlinecount++;22:05
b-man}22:05
b-manprintf("counted %d characters and %d lines.\n", charcount, linecount);22:06
b-man}22:06
b-manok22:06
b-mangcc lcc.c -o lcc22:06
b-mantouch test22:07
b-manlcc <test22:07
b-manand see what happens ;)22:07
GeneralAntillespastebin. . . .22:07
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lcukcome o, its a bit quiet :P22:08
lcukhes just increasing the line count :D22:08
lcukb-man, it gave me all sorts of errors22:08
b-manwhat?22:08
b-manit worked for me :P22:08
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GeneralAntillesWhy does every idiot think the 5800 is Nokia's first touchscreen phone?22:09
lcukwell i copied and pasted directly from irc22:09
lcukcos it basically is isnt it?22:09
thuxbeautiful more c  talk22:09
b-manlcuk, hold on...22:09
lcukb-man, dont22:09
lcuki know what it does22:09
lcukdo you understand what it does thou22:10
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: n8x0 isn't a phone :P22:10
lcukthats more important22:10
b-mani'm putting it in pastebin :P22:10
lcukno22:10
RST38hGeneral: Because 77xx did not succeed22:10
lcukdont22:10
b-manwhy?22:10
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, what RST38h said, idiot. :P22:10
RST38hlcuk: [hint] 7710, 772022:10
Shadow__Xhey b-man do you cross compile stuff for maemo22:10
lcukta rst22:10
b-mankinda22:10
GeneralAntillesRST38h, sure, but they existed. ;)22:10
RST38hYou don't think Hildon came out of nowhere? :)22:10
Shadow__Xi wanted to cross compile microdc but dont know how22:11
* b-man compiles everything straight on his tablet22:11
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: granted22:11
Shadow__Xhmm how do i compile microdc on my desktop then run it on my tablet then22:12
Shadow__X64bit 2.6.28 kernel22:13
b-mando you have scratchbox?22:13
Shadow__Xnope22:13
b-manyou'll need to install that22:13
crashanddieA B{A i;C i=0;i<100;i++)D G H i E F i;}22:13
b-man^ lol22:14
crashanddie#define A int22:14
crashanddie#define B main()22:14
crashanddie#define C for (22:14
crashanddie#define D printf(22:14
crashanddie#define E );22:14
crashanddie#define F return22:14
crashanddie#define G "We've done this"22:14
crashanddie#define H " %d times\n",22:14
LiraNunastop.22:14
b-manomg22:14
tank-man))))22:15
b-man-_-22:15
crashanddieand yes, that compiles and runs22:15
Shadow__Xok scratchbox is installed22:16
LiraNunapre-processor abuse is nothing new22:16
b-manLiraNuna: how's re-building ubuntu going?22:16
tank-manhey, windows vista compiles cleanly too i bet22:16
LiraNunab-man, I can't get right-click to work22:17
LiraNunausing mousetricks22:17
b-manhmm22:17
Shadow__Xscratchbox is installed how do i cross compile22:18
b-manis libgtkstylus installed?22:18
lcukhave you got a knitting needle?22:18
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LiraNunab-man, don't think so, let me boot to it22:18
b-manShadow_X: i'll grab a link for instructions22:19
Shadow__Xk thanks22:19
crashanddieLiraNuna, how about you read what it says22:19
crashanddieLiraNuna, instead of pointing out the obvious ;)22:19
LiraNunacrashanddie, ?22:19
crashanddieLiraNuna> pre-processor abuse is nothing new22:19
LiraNunait's not; I've seen worse22:20
crashanddielike I said22:20
crashanddiehow about you read what the code spits out22:20
b-manShadow_X: http://maemo.org/development/training/maemo_technology_overview_content/plain_html/node8/   -- hope this helps22:20
StskeepsRST38h: you'll get a kick out of http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/10/nokia-cheesiness-featured-in-new-star-trek-movie/22:21
LiraNunab-man, also Fn key not working drives me insane22:21
LiraNunaI tried downgrading hal from mer repositories22:21
b-manyou might need to install mer's xserver-xorg-evdev package for Fn22:22
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* b-man really needs to update xserver-xorg-evdev for ubuntu-n8x0 :P22:23
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Stskeepsor start working on ubuntu based on http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Maemo://Mer://Devel://HW://N8x0/MerDevel_Ubuntu_9.04/22:24
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LiraNunadsp?22:25
LiraNunaare those sound drivers?22:25
x29adigital signal processor?22:26
StskeepsLiraNuna: not directly. loaders22:26
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LiraNunaStskeeps, in what way? loads them from initfs?22:26
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b-manhay xnt14 :)22:29
xnt14hay b-man :)22:29
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GeneralAntillesRST38h, can you please remember to search before filing new bugs? I'm duping a lot of your recent ones.22:54
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RST38hSorry, I did make a search and none of them seemed to come up22:55
RST38hSo I just went and filed bugs for any problems I found22:56
GeneralAntillesRST38h, keywords are a bitch22:56
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RST38hI basically looked for oall open website bugs22:57
GeneralAntillesI'm may try to find out if we can use the whiteboard for more searchable bugs22:57
andre__if you need any keywords, just ping22:57
GeneralAntillesGenerating a list of open website bugs from the past x days might be good.22:57
GeneralAntillesandre__, well, can we use the whiteboard for Flickr style tagging?22:57
andre__example?22:57
andre__if you use the whiteboard i'd prefer to have namespaces (that was useful in gnome at least), but just convince me :)22:58
GeneralAntillesandre__, well, I'm open to whatever is the general practice22:58
GeneralAntillesAs I don't know what's what. ;)22:58
andre__heh. it's undefined for maemo.org bugzilla :-)22:58
GeneralAntilleshttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4351 and https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=449922:58
GeneralAntillesThough22:59
andre__flickr tagging means...?  #tag ?22:59
GeneralAntillesWell, if GNOME has something that works well, then we should adopt it, I think22:59
GeneralAntillesMy original summary for 4351 did not include any form of the word vote22:59
GeneralAntillesWhich makes it hard for RST38h to find it when filing 449922:59
GeneralAntillesandre__, if a bug is about x, y and z, put x, y, and z in the whiteboard22:59
andre__people should query for vot as it both covers vote and voting ;-)))22:59
andre__english is broken because of gerunds...23:00
GeneralAntillesGotta talk more later. Maybe worth a -developer thread.23:00
GeneralAntillesGoing to Star Trek23:00
b-manlol23:00
andre__ah, i see. so you want to use the whiteboard really for tagging... interesteing23:00
andre__enjoy23:00
andre__so far i've used the whiteboard for non-bugzilla wide keywords23:00
andre__like "evolution[filters]" for filter issues in Evolution application, and because other apps might use filters too23:01
andre__hmm, interesting idea23:01
xnt14lol23:01
GAN8001Well, we the global keyword list can't ever really be complete23:01
GAN8001s/we//23:01
infobotGAN8001 meant: Well,  the global keyword list can't ever really be complete23:01
GAN8001But, I dunno.23:01
andre__not complete, but currently it's quite a small list23:01
GAN8001More later. :D23:01
* GAN8001 runs out the door.23:01
andre__hmm, triage guide mentions to query for "vot" instead of "vote". :)23:02
* xnt14 trips GAN8001 xd jk23:02
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lcukandre__, when you are triaging bugs are you ever tempted to wear a nurses uniform?23:08
lcukreminding myself about uniforms - tshirts for copenhagen, who do i have to speak to to see if we are havin em23:09
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andre__lcuk, i normally prefer to wear a scottish kilt when working23:10
andre__hmm, probably quim i'd say23:10
lcuk:D heh23:11
* andre__ won't mention any nazi uniforms here, might get him into trouble :-P23:12
andre__t-shirts would be a nice to have, definitely23:12
lcukhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=2771423:12
lcuki just brought back an old thread to remind ppl23:12
andre__there were t-shirts at maemo summit.23:13
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andre__and i'd assume that some were left23:13
andre__nokia should know better23:13
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lcukthey were a bit tight and white, i managed to get myself a black maemo one before the end tho :)23:14
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andre__i also definitely prefer black for the next one. to be honest the white one ended up at my girlfriend's body, i don't wear it :-)23:15
lcuklol, i believe the internet phrase here is "pics or it didn't happen" lol23:16
andre__"this thread is worthless without pics"23:16
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lcukactually, retract that - you and a kilt might just tip us all over :D23:17
andre__there should be pics on flickr of me23:17
lcukyeah we know what you look like, its the kilt angle that makes me uneasy23:18
andre__ehehe23:18
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lcukwhos seen the new star trek23:48
b-manlol23:50
xnt14lol23:50
luke-jrO.o23:51
luke-jrthat was funny?23:51
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Stskeepslcuk: not yet.23:52
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