IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2009-04-25

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guysoft42Stskeeps, yes. you can read so in the report, i tried with and without.00:05
guysoft42lardman|away, how come you have no keyboard, you said you recreated thje bug, didn't you?00:06
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CutMeOwnThroatthopiekar1, in reply to "* thopiekar_tablet don't want that maemo gets a windows-os"?00:09
thopiekar1aah :P00:10
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guysoft42qwerty12_N800, in answer to your previous reply: do you know anyone that might know how to solve this?00:15
qwerty12_N800nope00:15
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woglindehi lcuk00:22
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JaffaRight. Bed time.00:28
GeneralAntilles'night, Jaffa.00:28
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GAN800Anybody else really tired of the Star Trek trailer?02:05
CutMeOwnThroat<--- no TV for 8 years, not tired of TV anymore02:15
derfThat's the way to do it.02:15
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CutMeOwnThroat(not wanting one either, though)02:18
CutMeOwnThroatI can waste my time on the Internet instead!02:18
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luke-jrlibsupld1 -- where do I find the source?02:35
luke-jrthe license in the deb is BSD02:35
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johnx_uhm, luke-jr do you understand what the BSD license means?02:37
luke-jrjohnx_: yeah02:37
luke-jrit means I can do whatever I feel with the code :P02:37
johnx_that they can distribute binaries without source02:37
luke-jrwhy license it BSD at all then?02:37
johnx_heh02:37
johnx_ask them02:37
luke-jrafaik, it's 100% Nokia IP02:38
johnx_and they can distribute source or binaries at their leisure02:38
luke-jrso they haven't?02:38
luke-jrsigh02:38
johnx_google seems to suggest they haven't released source02:38
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johnx_what do you need it for?02:39
luke-jrjohnx_: I am making Gentoo packages02:39
luke-jr02:39
luke-jrand libsupl1 appears to have /media/mmc2/ hard coded :/02:39
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luke-jrmight be small enough to reverse engineer02:41
luke-jrBSD lets me do that ;)02:41
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CutMeOwnThroatuh, /etc/apt/sources.list is empty?03:01
johnx_ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/03:02
GeneralAntilles^03:02
CutMeOwnThroataha, thx03:03
CutMeOwnThroatuh, they d.d.devilzed that, too03:03
johnx_I think later debian and ubuntu accept the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/foo structure as well03:04
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* lopz gn03:22
* Proteous gm03:22
lopz gn03:22
* waloo trying to install ubuntu03:23
waloodoes not boot03:23
Proteousdoes not compute03:25
luke-jr%&*(#&%)#03:26
luke-jrgpsdriver depends on GTK03:26
luke-jrI hate you, Nokia03:26
luke-jrwhy the heck can't they just release code? :<03:26
GeneralAntillesFile a bug with justification.03:26
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: what?03:26
GeneralAntillesAvoid any attacks.03:26
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Proteousdon't shoot food03:27
GeneralAntillesSay, "I want this code to do this."03:27
derfYou shot the food.03:27
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Proteousgreen elf needs food badly03:27
Proteoususe keys to open doors03:27
GeneralAntillesI use numeric codes.03:28
derfAnd Pavlov wins again.03:28
luke-jr….03:28
GeneralAntillesluke-jr, bugs.maemo.org03:28
ProteoussºQá½\03:29
luke-jrProteous: you win03:29
* Proteous is so proud he calls his mom to gush03:29
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johnx_hey rm_you :)03:37
rm_youhey johnx03:38
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ProteousOMG HI TO YOU ALL03:41
Proteousthat's all I got03:41
Proteoussorry03:41
johnxall I got is problems with X.org API mismatch so I think you're better off :P03:42
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Proteousheh03:42
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luke-jrso any idea how to get battery level? :/03:48
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: look good? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438003:48
johnxluke-jr, kcbatt03:48
GeneralAntillesluke-jr, yeah, if you final any in the future, do one per package, though.03:50
GeneralAntilless/final/file/03:50
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: luke-jr, yeah, if you file any in the future, do one per package, though.03:50
luke-jrjohnx: part of Mer.. where does Mer keep their code?03:50
GeneralAntillesMy muscle memory is taking over my higher brain functions.03:50
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luke-jrGeneralAntilles: oh, I figured the latter was applicable as an "oversight" thing03:51
luke-jrseeing as it is already BSD licensed and used only by (afaik) gpsdriver03:51
johnxluke-jr, not part of mer actually. it's a standalone thing. Mer uses something different, but kcbatt is nice and quick and simple and has source available03:51
GeneralAntillesluke-jr, you can never really guess why something is the way it is, and it's easier on the Maemo SW guys if theyy can address each bug individually.03:51
luke-jrjohnx: oh, my Google results led me to Mer; any links? ;)03:53
johnxoh, guess it did end up in mer at some point03:53
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johnxluke-jr, source should be available in mer. was the first result on google04:09
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luke-jrjohnx: for what search terms? :/04:17
johnxkcbatt04:27
luke-jryou must be getting different results04:29
johnxok, second result04:30
johnxI'm sorry but I don't have time to use google for you right now04:30
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kcowolfheh06:06
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luke-jrhm06:24
luke-jrwould be neat to track "unhealthy" GPS sattelites ;)06:24
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ShadowJKhm?06:30
luke-jrShadowJK: sattelites being maneuvered manually06:32
ShadowJKYeah but aren't they removed from the gps constellation before that?06:32
luke-jrwikipedia made it sound like their signal was just flagged06:32
ShadowJKah06:32
ShadowJKWhat do you mean by track anyway :-)06:33
luke-jrvisualize ;)06:33
luke-jrwatch how it's being moved06:33
ShadowJKYou'd need special equipment for that :)06:35
ShadowJKOr a telescope06:35
ShadowJKGPS receivers can't actually tell where the satellites are06:35
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ShadowJKThe satellites tell the receiver where the satellite is, and the satellite gets its information from the ground tracking station, which will send the updated info to the satellite once its passed over the tracking station a few times and they've gotten new accurate reading on its new orbit :)06:36
ShadowJKhm06:37
luke-jruse a few other satellites to figure it out?06:38
ShadowJKeh? :)06:41
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Stskeepsmorn08:39
rkirtimorning everyone08:43
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kcowolf...08:57
kcowolfdo I want to have another try at Ubuntu tonight, or should I wait?08:57
Stskeepsjaunty on i386? :P08:58
kcowolfon the n81008:58
kcowolfI used the i386 liveCD to recover files off my laptop tonight, though08:58
Stskeepsah, i wouldn't use ubuntu on n810 personally :P08:58
kcowolfI'm trying to put it on an external card... I'd just like to have it around08:59
* Stskeeps is looking forward to 0.12 of mer getting released. battery life similar to maemo but with power of ubuntu repo.09:00
kcowolfthat'll be interesting09:01
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rkirtiStskeeps, kcowolf : Sorry to interrupt - but ubuntu on n810 ? I thought the NITs ran only Maemo/Symbian and now Mer ?09:15
Stskeepsrkirti: ah - no, NITs don't run Symbian, but they can run everything from angstrom to ubuntu - if they have an ARM port09:16
Stskeepswe do have a linux kernel and ability to adjust cmdline, so09:16
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Stskeepsit's just that desktop distros don't account for power savings :)09:16
Stskeepshence Mer09:16
rkirtiStskeeps: ooh.09:17
Stskeepsthat's what is excellent of the n8x0 devices - we can get rid of maemo if we want to09:17
rkirtiStskeeps: thats some enlightenment for me.thanks :)09:18
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* rkirti just checked the angstrom and OE trees - either certain things are not updated or I am goofing up..09:22
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Stskeepswith regards to?09:23
rkirtiStskeeps: got 5 minutes ? I cant understand two things...09:23
Stskeepsyeah, i just woke up, so try :)09:24
rkirtiStskeeps: 1. The OE supported devices list mentions N800 with only Mamona..I assume this is a lack of update.09:24
Stskeepsyeah - i think mamona kinda stalled09:24
rkirtiStskeeps: 2. apart from that, you said angstrom packages having an ARM port will run on N8x0s..09:25
Stskeepswell, if we look entirely at user mode, if it runs on ARMv6, it will run on N8x0s - you may need some init.d tricks to get it actually booting, but yeah09:25
rkirtiStskeeps: I remember trying to use some iPaq or h___ device packages for the  Atmel boards, thinking that the ports were for the same CPU--it failed miserably09:25
rkirtiStskeeps: ok. what are these init.d tricks about ?09:26
Stskeepsbasically, to have fairly sane booting of OS'es (through the Maemo initfs), we have patched initfs with a bootmenu09:27
Stskeepsthe bootmenu supports writing boot menu items, where you can use a certain feature, ITEM_LINUXRC, which allows you to short-circuit the usual stuff initfs does when booting Maemo09:27
Stskeepswhich is for example fun things such as rm -rf /var/run and ln -s /tmp/.run /var/run09:28
Stskeepsand other damaging things09:28
rkirtiStskeeps: ahh!09:28
StskeepsITEM_LINUXRC causes control to be moved to /linuxrc on the partition as soon as it can09:28
rkirtisounds ugly..09:28
Stskeepsyeah09:28
Stskeepsbut trust me, the state before this hack was even worse09:28
luke-jrStskeeps: I have an older bootmenu missing LINUXRC support09:29
Stskeepsthe init stuff is simply to clean up a little and make sure that the DSME sockets are still accessible to the userland09:29
luke-jrany suggestions for upgrading?09:29
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Stskeepsluke-jr: reflash initfs only and then install bootmenu?09:29
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luke-jrrather not reflash via USB09:29
rkirtiStskeeps: so if someone took the trouble to do a proper port - this wouldnt be needed ..and from what I am reading, adding a device to angstrom isnt that much of work..09:29
rkirtiStskeeps: 'this' <==> such ugly hacks09:30
luke-jrrkirti: FWIW, slono and I are actively working on Gentoo support09:30
Stskeepsrkirti: well, there's advantages to the initfs approach, such as dual-booting. Mer does have a way to start the right daemons when booted without initfs09:30
Stskeepsalso there's some watchdog daemons in initfs that are very handy09:30
Stskeepsluke-jr: pft. flash a initfs internally then. either way, you have to use the flasher to seperate the images09:31
luke-jrStskeeps: so i can't just replace a few files? :/09:31
Stskeepsit's better to take it fresh09:31
Stskeepsrkirti: anyway..for your own sanity, I would base your work on assuming you have a standard boot09:32
Stskeepskernel mounting rootfs, starting /sbin/init09:32
Stskeepsand not look closely into N8x0 weird things09:33
rkirtiluke-jr: ok. /me is happy - I am getting to know more and more porting experts - good for my SoC09:33
rkirtiStskeeps: yes.I dont think I ld be able to handle such tricks to begin with - so it has to be a standard boot09:33
Stskeepsbesides that when you do have a working standard boot, the "tricks" are easy to add09:34
Stskeepsas we have them pretty stable in Mer, Deblet, and Gentoo uses the same tricks09:34
rkirtiStskeeps: ok.09:36
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qwerty12When you "accidentally" raise the volume on your television?09:38
Stskeepswhat TV? :P09:38
qwerty12Oh. Oh yeah :P09:38
* Stskeeps has a media center with a huge screen, but no tv :P09:38
luke-jrwhat is rkirti's SoC anyhow09:40
Stskeepsluke-jr: OpenEmbedded build of Maemo09:40
luke-jrah09:41
luke-jrI used to work with OpenEmbedded for my Zaurus09:41
luke-jrlong time ago09:42
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qwerty12hi zap. You don't happen to have any plans on making a bash4 package by any chance? :)09:54
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zapqwerty12: hi! my n810 was stolen :(10:00
qwerty12zap: what! :(10:00
zapnow I don't know what to do: either buy a new one, or wait for the upcoming n900 or whatever it will be called10:01
waloobah luck :/10:02
waloobad10:02
zapyep10:02
waloothat's the problem with so small devices10:02
zapit was not about small devices, the thief entered my house10:03
qwerty12zap: Although the N810 is getting a lot cheaper, the next device will have OMAP3 goodness (as you will most certainly know) :)10:03
zapsure I know, but I'm not sure when it will be out, taking account the world crisis and such :(10:03
qwerty12If you're in St. Petersburg, break into FRUCT and see if they've left plans laying around :P10:04
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* waloo thinks about making a patch that auto-ping my server when wireless link comes up, so as I can geolocalize the n810 !10:04
zapwhat is FRUCT?10:05
qwerty12zap: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=27489410:05
zapaha, google is my friend10:05
zapyou think they know something about n900? I think thats highly classified info even inside nokia10:07
qwerty12Yeah, probably not :(10:07
zapcool info btw10:09
zapif I'll get my Nokia back I'll think about it since incidentally I live in st. petersburg :)10:09
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qwerty12hehe :)10:10
walooso, no chance you help me fixing my boot on the sd card that don't work ! :)10:10
zapqwerty12: btw why you want bash4? does it have something SO NICE compared to bash3?10:12
zapone thing for sure is that it's fatter10:12
qwerty12zap: that's a good point, and my stupid response is: because it's newer...10:13
qwerty12I guess I could try it out on my desktop and see if it's better :)10:13
zap:)10:13
zapon tablet we have to balance between features and speed/resources10:13
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luke-jrzap: GPS enable!10:23
zapluke-jr: unfortunately, N810 is not online :)10:24
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luke-jrzap: wait until it is?10:24
luke-jrzap: surely you rigged it to call home?10:24
zapto call what?10:25
luke-jrcall home!10:25
zaphow you imagine a call from n810 without a registered phone lying near it?10:25
luke-jr10:25
luke-jremail works10:25
zapbah10:25
luke-jrdont' need POTS for a call home10:26
luke-jrheck, even a ping would be ok10:26
luke-jror DNS lookup10:26
luke-jr<lat>.<lng>.<devicename>.iamat.yourdomain.net10:27
luke-jrthen it works from behind pay portals!10:27
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luke-jrof course, the ideal is if it establish a nstx connection ;)10:28
luke-jrthen you can SSH in and turn on webcam and stuff10:28
zapwhat is a nstx connection10:28
luke-jr<.<10:28
luke-jrnstx is IP over DNS10:28
luke-jr10:28
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luke-jrsnap a pic of whoever's holding it, then display "THIS DEVICE IS STOLEN; PLEASE CALL <your number> WITHIN THE NEXT 2 MINUTES OR YOUR PHOTO AND LOCATION WILL BE RELEASED TO POLICE"10:30
luke-jrteh ultimate anti-theft :D10:31
qwerty12Add a remotely activated taser :P10:31
luke-jrqwerty12: N810 doesn't have it :<10:32
* luke-jr wonders if there would be a market for such a handheld anti-theft service10:32
* luke-jr goes back to reverse engineering GPS5300 protocol10:33
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olihow to change master volume via ssh/terminal?10:44
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qwerty12oli: gconftool --type int --set /apps/osso/sound/master_volume -- <number>10:47
oliqwerty12: thanks :)10:47
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luke-jranyhow10:50
luke-jrgpsdriver is doing something10:50
luke-jrgoing to bed and hope to have a fix by morning :D10:50
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RST38hSts: try bat dropping mixed with the snake blood11:04
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JaffaMorning, all11:19
ukkimorning11:21
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RST38hukki: btw, I have tried UKMP11:24
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ukkiRST38h: good to know11:32
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RST38hukki: It crashed.11:46
Stskeepsbtw ukki != kontorri afaik? :P11:46
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RST38hOk, to be precise, it hung (indexing music?) then crashed. On the second run, it ran, although none of the CD jackets were shown11:47
ukkiand not even konttori11:47
RST38hAh11:48
* RST38h is sorry, wrong guy =)11:48
ukkinp :)11:49
ukkidunno python either so i can't fix it for you11:50
RST38hOh, don't worry :)11:51
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lopzhola14:13
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waloohello14:15
walooanyone to help fix multiboot issue ?14:15
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walooI've installed ubuntu jaunty on my n810 external sd14:17
waloo(p3)14:17
walooBut I connot manage to boot it14:17
waloousing the mer boot menu : it immediately reboots after the menu14:18
waloousing the boot menu in the wiki Booting_from_a_flash_card page, I got the ubuntu spash screen and beeing said that I don't use the right boot loader14:19
johnxtry the mer bootloader14:21
GeneralAntillesAnybody know where the Bugzilla SVN is hanging out?14:21
johnxwaloo, install the merinstaller from here, but only run "install bootmenu"14:22
johnxhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation#N8x0_Install14:22
waloodonr that14:22
waloodone14:22
* Stskeeps sighs at ubuntu n8x0 and goes make coffee14:23
johnxthis is probably a different version of bootmenu than the one linked on "booting from a flash card"14:23
johnxmmm...coffee14:23
johnxthough actually I need to sleep before LFNW ...14:23
walootried both14:23
Stskeepshehe14:23
Stskeepsjohnx: when is it? today?14:23
johnxStskeeps, 5 hours14:23
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Stskeepsk14:23
waloohere is my bootmenu item for mer14:24
waloohttp://paste.ubuntu-fr-secours.org/src-1350414:24
Stskeepsyou will need to reinstall ubuntu btw, you ruined it with the other bootmenu14:25
Stskeeps:P14:25
walooI did14:25
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walooIt runs weel in chroot14:25
walooell14:26
walooarg14:26
Stskeepsyes, but you ruined it with booting it with the other bootmenu14:26
Stskeeps:P14:26
waloowhy that ?14:26
waloowell I : 1 - installed on ext2 try to boot with wiki's bootmenu, 2 - tried with mer boot, 3 - re- mkfs / install. 4 - try out mer menu14:28
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wazdhello maemo14:50
GAN800Hi, wazd14:50
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NishanthMhi folks,16:16
NishanthMwondering if anyone has given https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-beagle a run? https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=3532 was not much helpful.. :(16:16
NishanthMthe right link is this: http://maemo-beagle.garage.maemo.org/ apologies..16:17
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StskeepsNishanthM: think juha is pretty open to question so just ask him i guess16:23
NishanthMStskeeps: thanks.. just checking out maemo 5 on beagle.. let me dig around before spaming 100s of folks :D16:23
Stskeepshehe16:24
* Stskeeps should try mer on beagle again but has problems with his usb hub & beagleboard16:24
NishanthMoh oh..16:25
NishanthMStskeeps: i plan to use a 720p TV with DVI, usb hub for my bringup.. mebbe stead the kernel and kernel modules from angstrom distrib..16:25
NishanthMs/stead/steel16:25
thuxgot midori in diablo, otherwise works well but in file drop down menu 'save as' isn't available? is it some permission thing?16:26
NishanthMStskeeps: any specifics you would like to warn me before i dive in :D?16:27
Stskeepsin maemo-beagle? no idea :P16:31
NishanthMStskeeps: np.. always love to hack around.. will post something if i get thru to an extent.. thanks..16:32
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qwerty12_N800VDVsx: may I use yor code, from BlueMaemo, for enabling the bluetooth, please? (Been spending my morning hildonizing gAnyRemote :))16:47
VDVsxqwerty12_N800, of course :)16:48
qwerty12_N800Thanks :)16:49
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VDVsxqwerty12_N800, although there is a bug in the code: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=277485&postcount=34616:51
VDVsxbut is very easy to fix16:51
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qwerty12_N800will look out for that. thanks again! :)16:52
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RST38hheya wazds17:08
felipecNishanthM: try the distro-agnostic way: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_installation/17:08
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NishanthMfelipec: aah ok..http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/maemo5-sdk/main/ -> might have been nice to see binary-amd64 there17:09
NishanthMkinda saves a bother for lazy buggers like me :D17:10
* NishanthM breaks for quake on ps3 and breakfast17:10
felipecNishanthM: yeah, it would also be nice to have RPM packages for lazy Fedora users like me :)17:10
NishanthMfelipec: fedora... hmmm.. the endangered OS :P - jk.. yeah might have been good..17:11
locutus....RPM?17:12
wazdRST38h: hola17:12
locutusi havent seen that in years ;-)17:12
wazdJust heavy-used 5800 for a while17:12
wazdWell, I don't get why people are complainning bout screen responsiveness17:12
felipecNishanthM: nah, many FOSS developers use Fedora, including Linus :)17:13
wazdFor me it was 100% usable, in fact much better than n80017:13
NishanthMfelipec: love debian derivatives :D.. apt-get is simple enough for me.. ubuntu 9.04 is fine as far as I need..17:14
felipecNishanthM: good luck doing 'rpm -q --whatprovides "gstreamer0.10(encoder-video/x-h264)"' or 'rpm -q --whatprovides "perl(syslog)"' on dpkg :)17:17
NishanthM:D17:17
NishanthMsudo apt-get install gstreamer ;)17:18
felipecNishanthM: that would not give you all GStreamer elements17:19
RST38hwazd: it is simple17:19
RST38hwazd: people try operating it with fingers and expect it respond to the touch17:20
wazdRST38h: well, I was operating with finger only)17:20
RST38hwazd: the problem of course is that its resistive touchscreen responds to pressure and you have to apply some pressure for it to work17:20
qwerty12_N800felipec: sudo apt-get install gstreamer* :p17:21
RST38hwazd: the easiest way around it is to just use that triangular thingie, it works 100% of the time17:21
felipecqwerty12_N800: that would not give you all gstreamer elements either :)17:21
qwerty12_N800hehe, fair enough :p :)17:22
felipec(hint: sometimes you need a non-official repository)17:22
gomiamfelipec: O RLY? ;)17:22
RST38hwazd: you probably pressed, those people just touched, like they did with iPhone17:23
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wazdRST38h: my press was very slight. n800 don't even respond to that touch and require much harder press17:23
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wazdRST38h: i was really surprised in fact how the device was behaving, I was expecting much-much worse experience17:24
suihkulokkia Iphone *and* a distro flamewar at the same time here?17:24
* suihkulokki goes fetch popcorn17:24
gomiamwazd: define slight. I have an N800 and most o my pressure woes are my fingers being too fat, so I need to use my nails ;)17:25
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wazdgomiam: mmm, almost no presure17:27
RST38hwazd: it is a nice device, not a "wow" device but pretty functional and useful17:28
gomiamwazd: anyway, press some more then ;)17:28
wazdgomiam: no, I'm bout 5800, n800 require descent "press"17:28
gomiam?17:29
gomiamsyntax error :)17:29
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RST38hwazd: I just hope n9xx will have a similarly well protected screen17:30
suihkulokkifwiw, latest intel xorg drivers locked up my thinkpad x4017:30
suihkulokkiswitched noaccel = yes17:30
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suihkulokkinow it works again - without noticable slowdown :P17:30
wazdRST38h: yep, 5800 really impressed me, very nice phone. I can even close my eyes on some UI failures like "single/double tap"17:31
ShadowJKas long as it isn't quintuple-tap17:34
VDVsxwhy lcuk eat some much bacon: http://lifehacker.com/5225910/bacon-sandwiches-speed-up-hangover-recovery   :P17:34
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wazdShadowJK: heh :) The only problem is that you don't know what tap does the system expect from you17:35
wazdShadowJK: and I haven't found any rule how to define that17:35
ShadowJKOh that's a thing I have issues with in the file manager in maemo, I have issues just selecting something :)17:36
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luke-jrso um17:43
luke-jrcgps shows 6 satellites as "Used", but NO FIX still17:44
luke-jrwtf? :/17:44
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ShadowJKwhat does maemo-mapper show?17:46
luke-jrShadowJK: no idea, haven't tried building that yet17:48
luke-jr(and I highly doubt Maemo's package will run w/o Maemo)17:49
ShadowJKhmm...17:49
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RST38hwazd: the most important part - you can still operate it with one hand, just like a normal s0 device18:01
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* RST38h kinda hasn't paid attention to this feature until he got to use Motorola UIQ phone18:02
lcukVDVsx, i dont eat that much bacon lol18:07
VDVsxeheh18:09
luke-jrShadowJK: I wonder if cgps doesn't "count" as a connection to activate GPS for18:15
thopiekaris someone of you using ekiga?18:15
ShadowJKI suspect you need to use libgpsbt to activate gps18:16
ShadowJKbut i dunno18:16
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ShadowJKI also have a hunch that it's worth looking at actual data and not as much at the status fields, and also check that the data is changing and not just repeat of old stale stuff :-)18:19
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man_in_pdaanyone know of a camera app that lets you use the  'fullscreen' button on N810 to  snap a photo?18:38
qwerty12liqbase18:39
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man_in_pdaqwerty12, was that for me?18:40
qwerty12yep18:41
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man_in_pdaperfect! thanks qwerty1218:46
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luke-jrShadowJK: I don't *have* libgpsbt ;)18:56
luke-jrany idea why 'nm' and 'objdump -t' deny symbols in gpsdriver?18:57
luke-jrobviously it must have *some*18:57
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guysoft42hey, i found a new thing related to the keyboard bug! when i go in to the nokia over x11vnc. and send a key from the numlock, it reboots too!19:02
guysoft42isnt that strange?19:02
Stskeepsluke-jr: nm -D ?19:03
Stskeepsluke-jr: ltrace and strace, maybe19:03
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guysoft42Stskeeps, hey, did you see my reply before?19:04
qwerty12guysoft42: do you have XInputExtension enabled?19:04
guysoft42qwerty12, where would that be written?19:05
Stskeepsqwerty12: didn't we have a weird weird bug with this and Mer once?19:05
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Stskeepsnm19:05
Stskeepswasn't Xomap19:05
qwerty12guysoft42: look in /etc/init.d/x-server19:05
luke-jris Xomap a kdrive?19:05
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guysoft42hmm, are there suposed to be 2 files there? /etc/init.d/x-server and /etc/init.d/x-server-pre-pc-connectivity-x11vnc19:06
guysoft42?19:06
qwerty12I'd hazard a guess on XInputExtension being your problem19:06
guysoft42qwerty12, ARGS="-mouse tslib -nozap -dpi $DISPLAY_DPI -wr -nolisten tcp -extension XInputExtension"19:06
qwerty12Bingo. Remove -extension XInputExtension and reboot19:06
guysoft42should i remove tcp -extension XInputExtension?19:07
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guysoft42qwerty12, lets see.. this is interesting19:07
guysoft42qwerty12, if so, we located the bug .. and i have a feeling that it does come from pc-connectivity.. we need to see who created: x-server-pre-pc-connectivity-x11vnc19:08
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qwerty12-extension XInputExtension is a hack to enable the pressing of application menu over x11vnc19:09
qwerty12A better method is using a patched hildon-desktop19:09
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guysoft42qwerty12, well it must be doing something else.. lets see first if this actualy worked19:09
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, ping?19:09
guysoft42it works!! it works!19:10
guysoft42qwerty12, so we know where that bug comes from19:10
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guysoft42qwerty12, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=437419:14
guysoft42qwerty12, where do i get that/19:14
qwerty12guysoft42: not sure, you could try dpkg -S /etc/init.d/x-server-pre-pc-connectivity-x11vnc19:15
guysoft42qwerty12, it also seemed to have another bug, that i had with hebrew here19:16
guysoft42qwerty12, dpkg: /etc/init.d/x-server-pre-pc-connectivity-x11vnc not found.19:17
guysoft42it must be in some postinst file19:17
guysoft42qwerty12, can some one at least mark https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4374 as confirmed for me?19:18
guysoft42it mean, i kinda found its reason now19:18
qwerty12guysoft42: grep -r x-server /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.*inst19:19
guysoft42hmm, it actually removed a feature i had that i liked. he chr button used to type in hebrew.. so i could do shift+chr and then use the hardware keyboard for hebrew19:19
guysoft42/var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xomap.postinst:19:19
qwerty12Anything else?19:19
guysoft42update-rc.d x-server start 21 2 3 4 5 . stop 23 0 1 6 . >/dev/null || exit $?19:19
guysoft42but that is not part of it really19:20
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guysoft42qwerty12, do you have another language on your device?19:22
qwerty12Nope, just English19:22
RST38h"...the approach to SCP-953's containment chamber is to be lined with open-cage dog kennels, preferably of the Korean Jindo or American Foxhound breed. SCP-953 displays an extreme phobia of domesticated canines, and will not pass within 10m of one, especially when barking or alerted."19:23
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guysoft42qwerty12, ah, fixed the keyboard layout with running the postscript of the hebrew packages19:25
mib_s0sk4ohello could you guys help me with my tablet19:26
* guysoft42 is not sure what to do with the bug now. who should know about it in the maemo develop team?19:27
Stskeepsguysoft42: think they kinda gave up on Xomap19:27
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guysoft42Stskeeps, how can you give up on it? i mean whats the alternative?19:27
Stskeepswhatever they work on for Fremantle19:28
guysoft42Stskeeps, is maemo 5 that different?19:29
GeneralAntillesWhere the hell are the bugzilla sources? :(19:29
Stskeepsguysoft42: new hw, 3d acceleration..19:29
GeneralAntillesX.org19:29
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: it's actually not a program. it's a bunch of 770's running an AI.19:29
guysoft42Stskeeps, 3d? but the Nokia N series has no 3d..19:29
Stskeepsguysoft42: don't ask me, but it's in the roadma19:30
Stskeepsp19:30
GeneralAntillesYes they do.19:30
lbtit does guysoft42, but it has no driver19:30
Stskeepsand the N800s does actually have 3d, but no driver19:30
* lbt scores19:30
Jaffaguysoft42: The next device will have an exposed OpenGL-ES driver19:30
guysoft42Stskeeps, so the new maemo 5 will actually tap that 3d chip? or are we going to be outdated19:30
lbtnew chip19:31
Jaffaguysoft42: Maemo 5 is not going to be made available for the 770, N800 or N81019:31
guysoft42:(19:31
lbtso we won't benefit19:31
GeneralAntilles~rx-5119:31
infobotfrom memory, rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html19:31
lbtthough there were rumours - I doubt they'll happen19:31
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* Jaffa wonders if the RX-51'll be in his hands before going to San Francisco for JavaOne. The N810 did well last year, but a little slow. An OMAP3 based device would be sooo good19:32
GeneralAntilleslbt, Nokia is working with ImagTech to try to get a community driver released.19:32
lbtany news on that?19:32
Stskeeps"working on it"19:32
lbtie looking good, or looking bad19:33
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, Andre, free labor if you point me to the Bugzilla templates. . . . http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/bugzilla-newstyle-test.jpg19:33
guysoft42GeneralAntilles, i am amazed there is such a hardware chip unused19:33
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GeneralAntillesguysoft42, blame ImagTech for being shitty.19:33
lcukits a bit late for blame lol19:34
* Stskeeps hammers head into the wall about the OE GSoC thread19:34
* lcuk hasnt seen any mail for ages19:34
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, lol, I was thinking it didn't sound right.19:34
lcuknor many females either19:34
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lcukhmmhiya yerga \o19:35
lcuk-hmmm19:35
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yergahey lcuk19:35
yergacongrats for the summer of code project ;)19:35
GeneralAntillesHey, patchmaster, you know where the bugzilla svn is hiding?19:35
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: yet another set of eyes on Maemo platform portability, and being able to target the platforms Maemo/Hildon could run on, but that Mer doesn't easily fit in, is a benefit19:35
lcukthanks, zach is gonna be a big help :)19:36
yergaGeneralAntilles, maemo.org bugzilla?19:36
GeneralAntillesYeah19:36
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yergano idea19:36
Stskeepsheck, i want hildon on a armv4 touchscreen19:36
GeneralAntillesX-Fade's not here on weekends and andre__ darted out when I asked him this morning. :(19:36
guysoft42i gtg.. but thanks for at least solving the bug for me19:36
guysoft42GeneralAntilles, could you at least confirm this bug..19:37
guysoft42?19:37
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Stskeepsit should be appealing to have a consumer grade touch framework in reach for embedded developers (OE), and for closer-to-laptops devices (Mer)19:37
GeneralAntillesguysoft42, as I haven't experienced it myself, no.19:37
lcuklol stskeeps, you are differentiating yourself already lol19:37
luke-jrStskeeps: OE is closer to laptop than Mer is ;)19:38
Stskeepsluke-jr: oh, you can use a hammer to fix your toliet, but sometimes a tool box is better.19:38
Stskeepstoilet19:38
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luke-jrOE was designed for the Zaurii19:38
luke-jrMer for the Nseries19:38
Stskeepsoh, no19:38
luke-jrZaurii are quite a bit moer laptop-like than Nseries19:39
StskeepsMer was designed with genericity in mind.19:39
Stskeepsfor most of the time, i developed on x86, in a VM.19:39
luke-jryes, so was OE19:39
locutusMer?19:39
locutus(that name googles so well)19:39
guysoft42GeneralAntilles, well, if you don't believe me you are welcome to follow the instructions to recreate it. now that we know what causes it19:39
luke-jrbut they have primary/original targets19:39
GeneralAntilles~mer19:39
infobotmer is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer19:39
Stskeepsluke-jr: in any case, i welcome the existence of gentoo, OE, who the hell cares distro packages. all the more power to the maemo platform if we can take a program on one and get it on a huge amount of different devices.19:40
* Stskeeps has no strong feelings about that.19:40
luke-jr19:40
lcuk+1 sts :)19:40
lbtit does show there is a fair amount of confusion still19:41
GeneralAntillesCan't find the gforge templates either.19:41
lcukhiya david19:41
* Stskeeps never claimed to be the generic platform for all things hildon :)19:41
luke-jrooooooo19:42
GeneralAntillesOK, new issue to address, making the website development easy to find and easy to get involved in.19:42
luke-jrgpsdriver really uses a minimal subset of GTK+19:42
luke-jrLD_PRELOAD can handle that too!19:42
luke-jrany idea if I can supress error loading the usual GTK+ libs?19:42
lcukuse a different widget toolkit ;)19:43
luke-jreh?19:43
luke-jrthe problem is when ld.so can't find libgconf or whatever19:43
luke-jrit will error19:43
lcuki dont get gtk+ errors lol19:43
luke-jrhow do I prevent that?19:43
luke-jrlcuk: I don't want to install GTK+19:43
lcukthen dont reference or use it19:43
lcuki dont want to lose the end of my finger19:44
luke-jrlcuk: then get Nokia to release the code ;)19:44
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lbtlcuk: hi  :)19:45
lbtof course19:45
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lbtluke-jr: Qt is calling you19:46
luke-jrlbt: what are you talking about?19:46
lcukhttp://liqbase.net/fingerfriendly.jpg   only 9 digits left now...19:46
luke-jrlbt: all I want is to use my GPS without GTK+19:46
lbtso use it with QMapper19:46
luke-jr19:47
luke-jrlbt: 'gpsdriver' depends on GTK+19:47
lbtugh19:47
RST38hlcuk: tablet ate the tenth?19:47
lcukso you need gtk+19:47
luke-jrI can provide the functions it uses myself via LD_PRELOAD19:47
luke-jrbut how can I prevent ld.so from erroring when the "real" lib is missing?19:47
lcukRST38h, no an incident with blood splatter, concerned faces, hospitals and stuff19:48
Stskeepsnokia tracked you down?19:48
Stskeeps:P19:48
RST38hlcuk: freaking shit..19:49
lcuklol sts19:49
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Corsachmhm, in mer my top “panel” has plugins in inverted order (systray, brightness, load, some space, panel properties, mer menu), how can i move them back to original order? :/19:50
lcukturn your device around19:50
StskeepsCorsac: wait for me to figure out why xrandr crashes hildon desktop, heh19:51
lcukmmm theres a dog barking in the hotel19:51
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CorsacStskeeps: is it related to xrandr? :)19:54
lcukok guys, im vanishing again back later19:54
StskeepsCorsac: probably19:55
lbtbye lcuk19:55
lbtyep, SR is right. All armels build fine but fail in the last packaging step :(19:56
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Mikho_I have a problem. The very first line in my program: gtk_init(&argc, &argv); gives the error: _X11TransSocketINETConnect() can't get address for localhost:6002: Name or service not known20:49
Mikho_what gives?20:49
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keesjMikho_: this is a dns problem is this is scratchbox21:02
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Mikho_ok, it was just because i didn't have Xephyr running21:03
Mikho_so it couldn't connect to the display21:04
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GeneralAntillesHi, rm_you.21:09
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rm_you|yo GA21:26
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keesjI am trying to setup the maemo-sdk on my machine but can't finish the maemo-sdk install22:08
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keesjI install scratcbox using the probivded scrip (but adding the -f to force the arch)22:09
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keesjafter that I run the maemo-sdk-install_5.0alpha.sh and it end with something like this "Processing was halted because there were too many errors." http://www.paste-it.net/public/oc0583c/22:11
keesjthe first "meainfull" error is /scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 1: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: No such file or directory22:12
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keesjany hints?22:12
lbtluke-jr: are you luca ?22:12
keesjon http://box.mmapps.net/install_log.txt you can read the install log22:13
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* bacon is not microwave safe22:27
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lbthi lcuk22:29
baconhi lbt22:30
lcukhow do i stop it coming up with the comment22:30
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lbtno clue :) I'm an irc newbie22:30
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* lcuk just exits the whole damn thing22:31
lbtwhat comment do you mean?22:32
lcukwhen something thats been tagged is mentioned an iv got this minimised it still comes up on screen drives me up the wall22:32
GeneralAntillesTurn off notifications?22:34
GeneralAntillesWhat client?22:34
lbtdepends on the client22:34
qwerty12_N800Oh, if this was linux, I'd have suggested the libnotify stuff22:34
GeneralAntillesMost people like notifications22:34
* RST38h conjures the spirit of microVAX22:35
lcukmeh this is mrs lcuk..... is all geek to me but cant turn stuff off he'd kill me22:35
baconlol tracy22:36
RST38hBISL2! BICW3! ASHQ! XORL!22:36
baconright click on each chan tag22:36
lcukhuh speak english22:36
baconhold on ill vnc22:36
lcukta22:36
RST38hlcuk: well, that was the incantation in the old DEC manual, badly burned, with brown stains22:36
bacondidnt know u were there babe22:37
lcukyeah am just playing games for a few mins22:37
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MascaI'm having problems with internal memory card. I guess it got corrupted. It's safe to fdisk it from my pc using usb?22:37
baconjust close stuff cos the hotel is runnin like dialup22:37
RST38hMasca: Wait.22:37
RST38hIt is a known problem.22:38
MascaRST38h: Nice. It's freaking me out.22:38
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RST38hMasca: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1804322:39
RST38hNow, THAT will probably complete the process of freaking you out, but anyways...22:39
* Masca reads22:39
mgedminMasca: it's safe, assuming you don't mind losing data on it22:39
mgedminmake a backup if you're able and if you care22:40
mgedminmucking with the internal memory card doesn't touch the root filesystem22:40
mgedminin case you were wondering about that22:40
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Mascamgedmin: I don't mind loosing any data in there. And actually I don't care if I mess the root filesistem I guess can reflash. Everything is better than not being able to do anything.22:42
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mgedminby the way, the file manager can reformat the internal flash card for you22:43
mgedminI don't think it can fix the incorrect factory partitioning, though22:44
lcuki go through the hassle of connecting and coming in to fix it only to see a message "back laterr, casualty is on"22:44
lcuk :| meh! women22:44
lcuk\o hiya marius22:44
Mascamgedmin: It can't, filemanager says someone is using the partition. lsof show some files open but I don't know "who" opened it.22:46
* lcuk oes again22:46
lcukg22:46
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mgedminhello, lcuk22:47
mgedminMasca: it's likely that you won't be able to connect via usb either, if that's the case22:48
mgedmindo you have virtual memory enabled?22:48
mgedminit uses the internal partition22:48
Mascamgedmin: I don't have it enabled.22:48
mgedminhm22:49
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Mascathe open files are two songs. I don't know why they are open.22:50
qwerty12_N800metalayer-crawler?22:50
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Mikho_what on earth, my automake seems to generate bourne shell scripts, not executables22:55
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mgedminyou're using libtool, right?22:56
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Mikho_the executable i'm trying to build uses libtool libraries, yes22:56
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mgedmindon't worry, if you run 'make install', the executables will be installed, not the shell scripts22:56
mgedminthe scripts are there just so you could run the app without installing it, and get it to access the right libraries22:57
Mikho_ok22:57
Mikho_good22:57
fireunhttp://i.gizmodo.com/5220569/viliv-s5-lightning-review-netbook-meet-mid22:58
fireunnot bad22:58
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GeneralAntillesfireun, Atom, who cares?23:05
GeneralAntillesNote exactly pocketable size, either.23:06
fireunI dont carry my 770 around in my pocket either23:06
GeneralAntillesI can't believe they shipped it with XP.23:07
fireunalthough I could, and might have once or twice23:07
fireunyeah, xp = crap23:07
Mascaqwerty12_N800: it's metalayer , what is it? It's safe to kill it?23:07
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qwerty12_N800Masca: indexes audio & video for the default media player's library. can be safely killed23:08
GeneralAntillesAri's been oddly quiet lately.23:09
RST38hProbably got tired of blogging23:11
Mascait freaking respawn. =(23:11
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RST38hShould metalayer respawn? Weird23:13
qwerty12_N800/etc/init.d/metalayer-crawler0 stop then23:13
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RST38hSwine flu has pandemic potential!23:17
RST38h(no wonder, given sheer numbers of swine worldwide...)23:17
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Mascalet me try.23:22
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MascaRST38h: qwerty12_N800 thanks I hope this all work fine now.23:38
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