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| GuySoft | hey, is there a way to get a TiltStick for the soldering-challenged? | 00:13 |
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| pupnik | that did it! | 00:31 |
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| locutus | ola | 01:00 |
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| locutus | i've been trying to find where things like iwconfig are in maemo/diablo, it seels the wireless-tools package is not in the repo, am i looking wrong or something? | 01:06 |
| woglinde | right | 01:06 |
| Jaffa | I think it's in the "tools" repo | 01:06 |
| Jaffa | (annoyingly) | 01:06 |
| woglinde | hm | 01:06 |
| woglinde | args | 01:06 |
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| Jaffa | locutus: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/w/wireless-tools/ | 01:07 |
| locutus | thanks :) | 01:07 |
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| locutus | goodnight | 01:08 |
| woglinde | nite jaffa | 01:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa: unfortunatly, tools from that repo brought to extras do not bode well with ssu upgrades. tho' the way I see it, it may not be a problem anymore... | 01:09 |
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| Jaffa | qwerty12_N800: Did you see the proposals on -developers for doing community-drive OS SSUs for diablo? | 01:10 |
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| locutus | heh | 01:11 |
| locutus | incompatible application package | 01:11 |
| locutus | weird | 01:11 |
| Jaffa | locutus: not really, not supposed to be end-user installable. As root use `dpkg -i' | 01:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa: a bit. Would be pretty cool - I use modified versions of the application manager and terminal as it is | 01:12 |
| locutus | Jaffa: yeah, was already doing that :) | 01:12 |
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| locutus | wlan 0; no such device, ()!@*# | 01:14 |
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| Jaffa | qwerty12_N800: yeah, but think of spreading the joy :-) | 01:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I do! :) | 01:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | The app mgr I use can be found in qwerty12.maemobox.org/testing/testing and the xterm is on itt somewhere :) | 01:17 |
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| Jaffa | Anyway, *now* I'm off to bed; before I stay up late, not hacking or doing anything productive | 01:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | *grin*, night Jaffa | 01:18 |
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| lcuk | if i want to pass all command line parameters given to a .sh script into an app run within the script, what incantation $% arg thing do i use? | 01:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | $* | 01:32 |
| lcuk | with within my script if i just do: | 01:32 |
| lcuk | ./vworld $* | 01:33 |
| lcuk | on a line on its own it will work and pass all 3 params in? | 01:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yes | 01:34 |
| lcuk | excellent thanks once again qwerty12_N800 :D | 01:34 |
| locutus | the Maemo gui wont take hex passwords for WEP keys, right? | 01:35 |
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| * b-man16 wonders if he could enable ext4 filesystem support on his n800 | 01:43 | |
| luke-jr_ | why? | 01:46 |
| luke-jr_ | even ext3 is a bad idea, supposedly | 01:46 |
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| b-man16 | luke-jr_: ext3 performs fine on the tablets :P | 01:51 |
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| b-man16 | it's more secure than ext2 | 01:53 |
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| * b-man16 knows this from experience ;) | 01:54 | |
| luke-jr | b-man16: not on flash | 01:55 |
| luke-jr | supposedly the flash remapping of blocks for wear evening counters the journal's effects | 01:56 |
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| b-man16 | it's still more secure than ext2 on flash though :) | 01:59 |
| b-man16 | i've experienced more problems with an ext2 filesystem | 01:59 |
| derf | The word you're looking for is "reliable". | 02:00 |
| derf | ext2/3 has nothing to do with security. | 02:00 |
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| locutus | boo, no AMD64 love in the maemo-sdk? :-( | 02:10 |
| locutus | meh, i'll setup a i386 chroot tomorrow then | 02:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Wow, OWC just screwed me hard. | 04:37 |
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| b-man16 | OWC? | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | macsales.com | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | The box I have here with the enclosure that failed and took out 600GB of my data with it says 2 year warranty | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | they sent me a "copy" of the invoice (which isn't available through their website for some reason) to "prove" that it's only a 1 year warranty. | 04:42 |
| b-man16 | hmm | 04:42 |
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| b-man16 | maybe changed the warranty :P | 04:49 |
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| b-man16 | re: maybe thay changed the warranty :P | 04:49 |
| b-man16 | but that seems verry unlikely | 04:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | They did change the warranty at some point | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | But that doesn't apply retroactively. | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | The release content thread is depressing | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not much confidence. | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/content/contest/ | 04:58 |
| rm_you__ | GeneralAntilles: finally moving ABL to autobuilder queue and it should work this time :P | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just one patch in this release, right? | 05:01 |
| rm_you__ | like 5 actually | 05:02 |
| rm_you__ | nothing super-major | 05:02 |
| rm_you__ | but will be good to have the updated mer-compatible source in the repo | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn, you're supposed to release those one at a time. :P | 05:02 |
| rm_you__ | so people who dont use SVN won't be confused | 05:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | When are you going to have time to implement the control panel? | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mer could really use an open source one. | 05:04 |
| rm_you | ah | 05:04 |
| rm_you | yeah | 05:04 |
| rm_you | this summer | 05:04 |
| rm_you | like, a month | 05:04 |
| rm_you | from now | 05:05 |
| rm_you | after finals :P | 05:05 |
| rm_you | i wonder if Nokia wants to hire me for a summer internship and fly me to Finland :P | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good, good. | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 05:05 |
| rm_you | i should apply :P lol | 05:05 |
| * luke-jr wonders why Qt Mapper isn't just Marble? | 05:06 | |
| GeneralAntilles | You should've applied to GSoC | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | That would've made me laugh. | 05:06 |
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| rm_you | lol | 05:06 |
| rm_you | i woulda made it IMO :P | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could be your own project mentor. | 05:06 |
| rm_you | but missed the application date | 05:06 |
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| luke-jr | doc|work: รถ | 05:07 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: have time to test the ABL in extras-devel? :P | 05:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Has it been pushed to the repo yet? | 05:10 |
| rm_you | err | 05:10 |
| rm_you | sec | 05:10 |
| rm_you | grr | 05:11 |
| rm_you | it's being weird | 05:11 |
| GAN800 | It takes a little while for the builds to make it to the repo proper | 05:12 |
| rm_you | Section: user/Utilities | 05:12 |
| rm_you | is that wrong nowadays? | 05:12 |
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| GAN800 | It was always wrong | 05:12 |
| rm_you | what is it supposed to be | 05:12 |
| GAN800 | Sections are always lowercase | 05:12 |
| GAN800 | one sec | 05:13 |
| GAN800 | user/desktop | 05:13 |
| GAN800 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories#New_list_for_Diablo | 05:14 |
| rm_you | k | 05:14 |
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| rm_you | well, working on it | 05:15 |
| GAN800 | lol . . . mullf's lost it | 05:15 |
| rm_you | Applicationsubmitted | 05:16 |
| rm_you | advanced-backlight_0.15-02009-04-18T02:15:53Z | 05:16 |
| rm_you | we'll see | 05:16 |
| rm_you | bbl | 05:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is where tekojo finally has to buy us a new build machine. | 05:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, it appears to work fine. | 06:00 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: promoted | 08:51 |
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| johnx | hey rm_you | 08:52 |
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| rm_you | hey | 09:08 |
| johnx | rm_you, you're a bit laggy tonight :P | 09:08 |
| * rm_you waits 10 minutes | 09:09 | |
| rm_you | yep :P | 09:09 |
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| * rm_you pushed a new version of ABL from like Dec. 2008 | 09:10 | |
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| johnx | did scratchbox on my machine work for you? | 09:10 |
| rm_you | yes | 09:14 |
| rm_you | nicely | 09:14 |
| rm_you | got to go to sleep ATM :( | 09:14 |
| rm_you | ttyl :) | 09:14 |
| johnx | catch you later | 09:14 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 09:21 |
| Snaht | if I've accidentally installed an application under an unintended sub-menu in the applications menu, how do I move it to the desired submenu? Uninstall/reinstall? | 09:21 |
| johnx | morning RST38h | 09:21 |
| RST38h | Snaht: Go to Settings, there is a config panel for that | 09:21 |
| RST38h | heya johnx | 09:21 |
| RST38h | johnx: how are things? | 09:21 |
| johnx | Snaht, Settings -> Control Panel -> Navigation -> Organize | 09:21 |
| johnx | RST38h, not too bad. Settling in here, pounding the streets for jobs, that sort of thing | 09:22 |
| johnx | s/Navigation/Task Navigator/ | 09:22 |
| RST38h | johnx: is the employment situation looking good for IT jobs? | 09:24 |
| johnx | it's not looking too bad | 09:24 |
| RST38h | johnx: thanks for confirming =) | 09:24 |
| Snaht | ah, thank you. I didn't see an Navigation option after control panel, but the Organize was the clue I needed. I found it in panels. Thanks again. | 09:24 |
| johnx | I just spent an inordinate amount of time updating my resume and cover letter templates | 09:24 |
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| fireun | unehttp://i.gizmodo.com/5212161/how-it-feels-to-walk-with-hondas-cyborg-legs | 09:41 |
| fireun | oh my | 09:41 |
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| thopiekar | to all german maemo users.. there is a new channel #maemo.de.. see you there :) | 11:52 |
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| aquatix | hey all | 13:26 |
| lcuk | \o | 13:27 |
| qwerty12 | moorning aquatix, lcuk | 13:27 |
| aquatix | 'sup? | 13:28 |
| lcuk | hey qwerty | 13:31 |
| * lcuk is going to jakes birthday party, ill brb | 13:31 | |
| Jaffa | Right. Lawn mowed, wife & kids on way home. Time for a coffee and to read the paper | 13:32 |
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| thux | when do backup/restore program backup and choose the application cataloque, does ir backup repositories addresses or also all installed applications? | 13:51 |
| qwerty12 | It backs up the list of repos and the list of installed apps | 13:52 |
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| thux | and after restore it installs all apps back automatically? | 13:53 |
| qwerty12 | Yes, it brings up a list and asks you want to want to reinstall | 13:53 |
| thux | thanks | 13:53 |
| thux | have then uninstall few apps before backup | 13:55 |
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| lopz | hola | 14:09 |
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| roope | hi. | 14:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm saddened by the release pessimism on itT. | 14:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, roope. | 14:13 |
| roope | Hi. Yes, people like to speculate. :) | 14:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | A Christmas release would depress me muchly. | 14:14 |
| Jaffa | hi roope | 14:15 |
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| roope | Sorry, have to be mum about release dates. But I'm not a pessimist in general. :) | 14:16 |
| roope | There's good progress every week. | 14:16 |
| ShadowJK | it's done when it's done, and hopefully not much before :) | 14:17 |
| roope | Maemo is a part of Nokia, and therefore also release dates are set With a Big Brush, thinknig about the whole company. | 14:18 |
| roope | If Maemo would be like Pandora, of course the strategy behind releases and publicity etc. might be completely different. | 14:19 |
| roope | (Although I'm happy we're not like Pandora. ;) | 14:19 |
| ShadowJK | or DNF | 14:19 |
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| pupnik | dnf? | 14:28 |
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| ShadowJK | duke nukem forever :) | 14:36 |
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| * thux just flashed fresh diablo cause old one behaved strangely and didn't find the reason | 15:58 | |
| thux | was slow and sluggish and many times few icons missing from desktop | 15:59 |
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| orangey | hello all! | 16:06 |
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| orangey | Does anybody here know how to sync mcalendar with anything but google? | 16:07 |
| orangey | does it have a .ics somewhere? | 16:07 |
| orangey | or can syncevolution tap it somehow? | 16:07 |
| orangey | I guess for that matter: which is the best calendar program to use? | 16:08 |
| pupnik | dunno | 16:13 |
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| thux | i don't use calender, don't know either | 16:13 |
| RST38h | moo pupnik | 16:14 |
| RST38h | orangey: http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo+calendar&btnG=Google+Search&aq=0&oq=maemo+cale | 16:15 |
| orangey | RST38h: I have already done this, and have a reasonable survey of what is around. | 16:16 |
| orangey | What I am more interested in knowing, other than a reflex google search, is human experiences with these programs. | 16:16 |
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| pupnik | moo | 16:19 |
| lbt | orangey: I use gpe calendar with egroupware | 16:19 |
| pupnik | moving to new house | 16:19 |
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| lbt | it's not perfect and I'm having issues with the newest egw | 16:20 |
| pupnik | back pain just manageable | 16:20 |
| lbt | but I like it | 16:20 |
| pupnik | egw? | 16:20 |
| lbt | egroupware | 16:20 |
| lbt | rather nice server-based groupware | 16:20 |
| pupnik | k | 16:21 |
| lbt | I run it on a VM at home as a central sync service | 16:21 |
| orangey | lbt: Where does gpe cal store its calendar? | 16:21 |
| pupnik | browser interface? | 16:22 |
| lbt | sorry, I'm in Mer... - it has a local cache though | 16:22 |
| lbt | pupnik yes - mainly browser based | 16:22 |
| lbt | but has open interfaces to KDE and Gnome (and other) apps | 16:23 |
| lbt | I use it as an LDAP store too | 16:23 |
| lbt | for all my contact infi# | 16:23 |
| lbt | info | 16:23 |
| lbt | I want to sync LDAP onto slapd on Mer | 16:23 |
| orangey | Mer is what? | 16:24 |
| orangey | the next maemo. | 16:24 |
| orangey | ? | 16:24 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 16:24 |
| orangey | rather, the next user-based OS for Maemo | 16:24 |
| orangey | is it usable in practical terms? | 16:24 |
| lbt | maemo for when Nokia abandons the N8x0 | 16:24 |
| lbt | yes | 16:24 |
| lbt | also for other devices | 16:24 |
| orangey | is it as good / better than diablo? | 16:25 |
| lbt | criteria? | 16:25 |
| orangey | most significant: stability | 16:25 |
| lbt | < | 16:25 |
| orangey | 2) I use my 810 as my primary telephone. | 16:25 |
| lbt | Mer is new | 16:25 |
| orangey | so, is the contacts system as good? and the SIP client? | 16:25 |
| lbt | but apt-get install twinkle should work | 16:26 |
| lbt | no | 16:26 |
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| orangey | twinkle is painful. | 16:26 |
| orangey | I really, really like sofiasip | 16:26 |
| orangey | it integrates amazingly well. | 16:26 |
| lbt | Mer isn't for you | 16:26 |
| lbt | not yet | 16:26 |
| orangey | I think "not yet" is the key. | 16:26 |
| orangey | I like the bleeding edge for lots of things, but not for my PDA | 16:26 |
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| lbt | I want my N800 to be my phone/pda/contact/browser .... one dat | 16:27 |
| orangey | one dat? | 16:27 |
| orangey | oh. does mer run perfectly in virtualbox? | 16:27 |
| lbt | s/t/y/ | 16:27 |
| infobot | lbt meant: I wany my N800 to be my phone/pda/contact/browser .... one dat | 16:27 |
| lbt | ah, forgot we had a good infobot here | 16:28 |
| orangey | what does one dat mean? | 16:28 |
| lbt | orangey: no, virtualbox has no touchscreen and can't be resized | 16:28 |
| lbt | but it runs pretty well | 16:28 |
| orangey | OH, one DAY | 16:29 |
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| orangey | got it. | 16:29 |
| orangey | Anyhow, the n810 is amazing. | 16:29 |
| orangey | what is maemo 5 for? has the hardware for it been announced? | 16:31 |
| lbt | no | 16:31 |
| aquatix | but you might want to google on rx51 | 16:33 |
| aquatix | that's the codename of the next tablet | 16:33 |
| locutus | jo aquatix | 16:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~rx-51 | 16:33 |
| infobot | rx-51 is probably http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html | 16:33 |
| aquatix | hey locutus :) | 16:34 |
| lcuk | i wonder what the devices between rx-48 and rx-51 looked like, especially since its a whole cpu jump | 16:35 |
| RST38h | lcuk: they were made of bacon. | 16:35 |
| lcuk | 48 was the wimax one wasnt it?) | 16:35 |
| lbt | they had lots of wire sticking out | 16:36 |
| locutus | aquatix: the LCARS theme you mentioned works suprisingly good :) | 16:36 |
| * RST38h wonders what rx-71 looks like | 16:36 | |
| lcuk | its got warp nacells | 16:36 |
| orangey | locutus: thanks | 16:36 |
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| orangey | wow.. That should be pretty spectacular. | 16:36 |
| locutus | orangey: you made it? :) | 16:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you're mistakenly assuming there were any. | 16:36 |
| orangey | if it has 3g, that would really answer all my prayers for the damned thing | 16:36 |
| aquatix | locutus: yep, i love the okuda one | 16:37 |
| RST38h | General: Well, the number gets to increment somehow, so I guess there should at least be paperwork :) | 16:37 |
| locutus | i use the padd one | 16:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcars is fugly, tritanium ftw | 16:37 |
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| locutus | with a nice UFP background to round it off | 16:38 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N800: myeah, tritanium is a bit too bland for me | 16:38 |
| RST38h | tritanium is sucky IMHO | 16:39 |
| aquatix | but hey, that's taste :) | 16:39 |
| * RST38h prefers the default theme, at least for Diablo | 16:39 | |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, killjoy, just thinking about possibilities | 16:39 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | aquatix: lcars could be could be considered the other extreme :P | 16:39 |
| RST38h | lcuk: RX-50 has become known as iPhone 3G =) | 16:40 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: But don't tell anyone it is a secret! =) | 16:40 |
| lcuk | heh i half expect the symbian and maemo folks to have actual fist fights when R&D produce new prototypes | 16:40 |
| RST38h | Ok, reboot. If I do not come back., blame Toshiba | 16:40 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Maemo folks are too few and Symbian folks are too weak | 16:41 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N800: i like pretty colours ;) | 16:41 |
| orangey | is it true there are blurry photos of the new nokia? | 16:41 |
| aquatix | default theme is damn nice too | 16:41 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Just look at the new Symbian logo - they are either smoking substances on permanent basis or their brains are liquified | 16:41 |
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| lcuk | there most likely is, but i dont know of any PUBLIC blurry photos | 16:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | aquatix: I like my colours less garish ;) | 16:41 |
| lcuk | RST38h, wouldnt know | 16:41 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N800: the black backdrop makes it up for me | 16:42 |
| aquatix | but hey, thankfully tastes differ :) | 16:42 |
| lcuk | you cant change the theme on iphone can you | 16:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 16:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | wazd's titan isn't bad but the background image included with the first revision of the theme was better | 16:44 |
| aquatix | don't know what image that is :( | 16:44 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N800: btw, i like the Okuda theme best, LCARS * is a bit too garish for me too | 16:45 |
| RST38h | We miss a theme with 20-sided dice, it looks... | 16:45 |
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| RST38h | Shit, I finally found it! | 16:47 |
| aquatix | RST38h: ? | 16:47 |
| RST38h | BT file browser | 16:48 |
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| JvA | VDVsx: There? | 17:18 |
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| VDVsx | JvA, yup | 17:18 |
| JvA | Can I pm? | 17:18 |
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| JvA | VDVsx: Can I pm | 17:26 |
| JvA | ? | 17:26 |
| VDVsx | JvA, yup | 17:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Any itT mods around? | 17:34 |
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| lcuk | VDVsx, are you stalking me! | 17:42 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, ehehheeh | 17:43 |
| lcuk | whats twitux and do you use it lol | 17:44 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, gwibber doesn't work in my pre-historic ubuntu | 17:46 |
| VDVsx | :( | 17:46 |
| lcuk | i wouldnt know lol, the only microblogging client ive heard of is mauku | 17:46 |
| * Khertan1 is installing windows qt sdk ... | 17:47 | |
| * lbt pats Khertan on the head and smiles | 17:48 | |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, http://www.sizlopedia.com/2008/05/03/twitter-clients-for-ubuntu-linux/ -> 8 dif :P | 17:49 |
| Khertan1 | :) | 17:49 |
| Khertan1 | yes i know ... qt4 on windows ... | 17:50 |
| lcuk | nothing wrong with qt at all khertan | 17:50 |
| Khertan1 | but i m waiting my new pc to reinstall ubuntu | 17:50 |
| lcuk | infact, i take that back, the only thing wrong with qt is the extensions to c++ | 17:50 |
| Khertan1 | don't know i m testing it | 17:50 |
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| Khertan1 | but the current maemo port doesn't seems to better than gtk | 17:51 |
| * VDVsx have Qt installed in is nokia 5800 | 17:51 | |
| VDVsx | wow, Itt is very lively these days :P | 17:52 |
| Khertan1 | itt... maybe i should take a look :) | 17:52 |
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| lcuk | Khertan1, it will do with time, qt has an extensive library of q classes and functions which really do help cross platform dev | 17:52 |
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| woglinde | qt rockz | 17:53 |
| lcuk | but as much as gtk is geared towards mouse, qt on the whole is - but theres tablet oriented classes on the way | 17:53 |
| pupnik | but no chance i think | 17:53 |
| lcuk | yeah woglinde ive been keeping my eye on it for a while :) | 17:54 |
| lcuk | hiya pupnik ! | 17:54 |
| woglinde | animation framework rockz | 17:54 |
| woglinde | with statemachine | 17:54 |
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| woglinde | some stuff is stolen from e11 | 17:54 |
| Khertan1 | ouch | 17:55 |
| Khertan1 | i found my 24" screen too small for qt designer | 17:56 |
| woglinde | Khertan1 only the concepts | 17:56 |
| lcuk | woglinde, ive seen lots of discussion about problems relating to animated layouts and event handling - obviously having a state transition manager helps, but you are rolling back and replaying events and muching about with generic internals | 17:56 |
| woglinde | khertan lol | 17:56 |
| woglinde | and you can use qt against libGles | 17:56 |
| woglinde | which gtk cannot I think | 17:57 |
| woglinde | but I am not sure | 17:57 |
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| lcuk | woglinde, sure, theres lots of nice things possible with qt | 17:58 |
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| woglinde | jo qwerty | 17:58 |
| lcuk | gl for default widgets doesnt help tho - do you have x,y,z and orientation stuffs for textboxes? | 17:58 |
| qwerty12 | ello woglinde | 17:59 |
| lcuk | or are you meaning to use gl as a compositor | 17:59 |
| lcuk | \o hi qwerty | 17:59 |
| qwerty12 | ello lcuk | 17:59 |
| woglinde | lcuk for animatet stuff | 17:59 |
| lcuk | then sure, you can put a gl box inside a gtk layout and render whatever you want | 18:00 |
| woglinde | and gpu support | 18:00 |
| pupnik | is that stuff going to evilve into the equivalend of a 3D video game engine? | 18:00 |
| lcuk | i might be wrong, but gtk just uses x11 with whatever accel it has | 18:00 |
| pupnik | evolve | 18:00 |
| woglinde | hi pupnik | 18:01 |
| lcuk | pupnik, a game engine is easy - what you want is a game engine that can be used to create desktop apps | 18:01 |
| Khertan1 | hum ... | 18:01 |
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| pupnik | wonder if there is a Q3A wm/compositor | 18:01 |
| Khertan1 | does there is a good documentation on pyqt ? | 18:02 |
| woglinde | kerthan hm should be | 18:02 |
| Khertan1 | it seems i didn't understand well the concept | 18:02 |
| lcuk | Khertan1, do you have any example apps to test it with | 18:02 |
| lcuk | so you can see how they do it | 18:03 |
| Khertan1 | yep ... a QWidget .... and that all :) | 18:03 |
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| lcuk | if i have a .git server that has undergone drastic changes and i want to commit and push am i best doing a local backup first | 18:04 |
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| lcuk | hey ho joyrider_ \o | 18:04 |
| joyrider_ | hey :) | 18:05 |
| woglinde | lcuk hm pull --rebase works mostly very well | 18:05 |
| lcuk | liqbase needs a rebase before i upload to codebase | 18:06 |
| woglinde | hm has garage now git support? | 18:06 |
| lcuk | yeah but im hosted on codebasehq.com for now | 18:06 |
| lcuk | they have better issue tracking | 18:06 |
| lcuk | or rather, a better interface for it | 18:06 |
| lcuk | joyrider_ hows your game coming | 18:07 |
| joyrider_ | got the leveleditor workin :) | 18:07 |
| woglinde | I rather intrested in the plugin | 18:08 |
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| woglinde | for our gforge fork at work | 18:08 |
| Khertan1 | no example of pyqt4 for maemo too | 18:08 |
| joyrider_ | luck http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnmTLNURuME | 18:08 |
| lcuk | Khertan1, just a mo ill find you one | 18:08 |
| Khertan1 | mo ? | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan1: this app uses PyQT: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=280607#post280607 | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | moment | 18:08 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, can you remember where it was again? the scrolly thing | 18:09 |
| * lcuk cannot navigate the forum | 18:09 | |
| Khertan1 | ah ok thx :) | 18:09 |
| lcuk | lol | 18:09 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk / Khertan1: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=279457&postcount=22 | 18:09 |
| qwerty12 | (the scrolly thing lcuk is referring to) | 18:09 |
| lcuk | :D thanks | 18:10 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, when do you turn 18? | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | About 2 years and 8 months | 18:11 |
| qwerty12 | No, what am I on? 1 year and 8 months | 18:11 |
| lcuk | lol | 18:11 |
| Khertan1 | you hou ! | 18:11 |
| lcuk | the beer will be flat by then | 18:11 |
| Khertan1 | i found more example :) | 18:11 |
| lcuk | \o/ w00t | 18:12 |
| woglinde | uh git stuff announcment on april 1st | 18:12 |
| woglinde | hm but how many projects now converting | 18:15 |
| konttori_ | so, pyqt bindings are avilable for diablo? | 18:16 |
| konttori_ | cool! | 18:16 |
| lcuk | woglinde, i dont think its mostly about converting yet, its available for new projects | 18:16 |
| woglinde | knottori I think they are there a long of time | 18:16 |
| * lcuk thinks liqbase will be in the garage git soon | 18:16 | |
| woglinde | hm okay | 18:16 |
| woglinde | seems you cannt do mor repos and no personal repos | 18:17 |
| lcuk | obviously its good if projects do, but usually things dont just change overnight | 18:17 |
| lcuk | hiya konttori_ \o | 18:17 |
| konttori_ | My beautiful baby girl was born on monday, so, I've been off for a while | 18:18 |
| lcuk | :D congratulations! | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | Congrats! | 18:18 |
| lcuk | konttori_, i hope you are looking after your wife | 18:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'grats, konttori_! | 18:19 |
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| konttori_ | thanks guys! | 18:22 |
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| lcuk | konttori_, how long do you have off for paterntity over there | 18:23 |
| lcuk | -t lol | 18:23 |
| konttori_ | I've been at the hospital since monday, we came home yesterday and got thumbs up today, so all is fine with her. I was just about to blog on converting ukmp to fremantle, when this happiness came to be. | 18:23 |
| konttori_ | lcuk: 2 weeks now, one week in the autumn and one month next january. | 18:24 |
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| b-man` | wb qwerty12 | 18:25 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks b-man` | 18:25 |
| lcuk | forget blogging bout fremantle, and put a blog about you little one, are baby and mummy doing well? what weight was little one? and most important what have you called her? | 18:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 18:30 |
| woglinde | konttori_ gratz | 18:30 |
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| konttori_ | lcuk: we have no idea of her name yet | 18:43 |
| konttori_ | and yeah, I'll be blogging about that | 18:43 |
| konttori_ | woglinde: thanks | 18:43 |
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| woglinde | knottori no name? | 18:44 |
| lcuk | keep your normal naming conventions, how about "uklp" (little princess lol) | 18:44 |
| woglinde | here in germany you have to provide a name at birth | 18:44 |
| woglinde | lcuk hehe | 18:44 |
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| woglinde | till later | 18:47 |
| konttori_ | woglinde: not yet | 18:50 |
| konttori_ | in finland it's customary to give it after a few weeks | 18:50 |
| lcuk | thats nice, gives you a chance to find a suitable name :) | 18:53 |
| RST38h | woglinde: what if you do not provide a name? | 18:59 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Why not do it in advance? =) | 19:00 |
| lcuk | cos you dont know what your baby will be like | 19:00 |
| RST38h | lcuk: well, it will be either boy or girl (easily determined a few months before birth), it will be small, pink, and round | 19:01 |
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| woglinde | RST38 hm good question | 19:06 |
| woglinde | RST38h than you got a blank document about the birth | 19:06 |
| locutus | hey, not all children are pink at birth :-( | 19:08 |
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| RST38h | heh | 19:09 |
| woglinde | *g* | 19:09 |
| RST38h | locutus: but they all get there eventually =) | 19:10 |
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| user_ | i set up rotation using the instructions from http://wiki.maemo.org/Rotation, but now I can't use apt-get :( | 19:38 |
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| woglinde | user_ why? | 19:39 |
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| user_ | i get :"osso-software-version-rx44: depends kernel-diablo-flasher (version) but versionrotationfast is to be installed | 19:44 |
| user_ | i tried using apt-get -f but that did not help | 19:45 |
| woglinde | apt-get -f install | 19:45 |
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| cousinitt | apt-get -f install gives the same error | 19:57 |
| konttori_ | cousinitt: you will need to remove the osso-software-version-rx44 first | 19:58 |
| konttori_ | it's the SSU core package | 19:58 |
| konttori_ | and it's guarding the system. | 19:58 |
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| cousinitt | apt-get remove osso-software-version-rx44 ? | 20:03 |
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| rm_you | apt-get install osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked | 20:04 |
| rm_you | IIRC | 20:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, -unlocked. | 20:17 |
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| cousinitt_ | the instructions say: If you are flashed your device with 5.2008.43-7 (not updated from a earlier firmware!) then you only install advanced-backlight | 20:20 |
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| Khertan1 | Hello | 21:14 |
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| Khertan1 | lcuk: http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot_pyqt.png | 21:16 |
| Khertan1 | lcuk: the result isn't really great | 21:16 |
| Khertan1 | can't move the toolbar | 21:16 |
| Khertan1 | like on the window version | 21:16 |
| Khertan1 | the highlight in menu is wrong | 21:16 |
| Khertan1 | and size of window too | 21:16 |
| lcuk | Khertan1, but look at what you have after an afternoon of hacking. | 21:17 |
| lcuk | an application in an entirely new toolkit! | 21:17 |
| Khertan1 | (i ve got trying too the new toyota auris :) | 21:17 |
| Khertan1 | as i ll surely bought a new car | 21:17 |
| Khertan1 | but ... yep in one hour | 21:17 |
| lcuk | how are you going to code on the way to work if you are driving o_O | 21:18 |
| Khertan1 | lcuk: but to be honest the result isn't great | 21:18 |
| lcuk | or will you carry on getting the train anyway | 21:18 |
| lcuk | ok Khertan1 but dont you feel at least partly better by trying | 21:18 |
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| Khertan1 | nope just a new car for my wife | 21:18 |
| Khertan1 | as i prefer mine | 21:18 |
| lcuk | what you have discovered are niggles, it might be an idea to post them to the bugtracker | 21:18 |
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| Khertan1 | lcuk : i didn't have the time ... from what i see if i whant to report bugs i ll no have anymore time to code | 21:19 |
| lcuk | i know that feeling! mind you, im filing bugs and making changes as we speak lol | 21:20 |
| Khertan1 | hum ... the same apps running on windows is really better | 21:21 |
| cars__ | I'm having difficulty viewing my Windows network from my n810. Usually I just have to open up the file manager and it shows up. | 21:23 |
| Khertan1 | lcuk: anyway i ll take a look at qt for other reason ... to do win32 apps :) | 21:23 |
| lcuk | yes, its interesting | 21:25 |
| Khertan1 | yep | 21:30 |
| Khertan1 | but from what i understand it ll be more and more used on the maemo plateform ... | 21:30 |
| Khertan1 | so it ll be usefull | 21:30 |
| Khertan1 | :) | 21:30 |
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| Corsac | is it possible to use the internal gps from the n810 from another box, using bluetooth? | 21:36 |
| lcuk | Corsac, it should be possible, you just need to find something to act as the gps daemon on maemo to respond to requests etc | 21:37 |
| lcuk | not sure on the technicals or if its been tried | 21:37 |
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| Corsac | I have gpsd running on the device so it should be possible to access it via wlan | 21:38 |
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| Corsac | but using bluetooth? | 21:38 |
| Jaffa | Making the N810 act as a Bluetooth serial device should work | 21:41 |
| Jaffa | Outputting NMEA strings | 21:41 |
| * Stskeeps waves from warsaw | 21:42 | |
| * lcuk waves back | 21:43 | |
| Corsac | Jaffa: any idea how to do that? :) | 21:43 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Must I gtk_init to use osso_cp_plugin_execute? | 21:45 |
| inz | qwerty, yes, the plugin is run in-process (unless it is already open in control panel) | 21:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | inz: thanks, wondered where I was going wrong... | 21:48 |
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| florian | re | 21:49 |
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| Corsac | mmh, it seems that the gpsd won't let me connect | 21:54 |
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| RST38h | Moo Sts, qwerty, lcuk | 22:10 |
| RST38h | Whoever likes airplanes, http://community.livejournal.com/idu_shagayu/1813062.html?#cutid1 | 22:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | baa RST38h | 22:10 |
| lcuk | oink! | 22:10 |
| * qwerty12_N800 gets the chainsaw and gives lcuk his favourite food. No, wait... | 22:11 | |
| Corsac | weird, gpmsmon seems to find data | 22:11 |
| Corsac | gpsmon | 22:11 |
| Corsac | but xgps or whatever doesn't | 22:11 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Make sure he ends up as bacon | 22:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Aye, that's the plan | 22:12 |
| lcuk | i am pre-bacon | 22:12 |
| RST38h | avenge all those innocent little piggies! | 22:12 |
| lcuk | wow RST38h | 22:13 |
| lcuk | thats such a waste | 22:13 |
| RST38h | what? | 22:13 |
| lcuk | the planes | 22:13 |
| lcuk | they should be in the sky | 22:13 |
| RST38h | oh, those | 22:13 |
| RST38h | it is an open air aviation museum | 22:13 |
| RST38h | a little more than a junkyard at the moment, really | 22:14 |
| woglinde | re | 22:14 |
| doc|work | is that another name for coldwar bullshit scrapyard? :/ | 22:14 |
| doc|work | aww, too slow :/ | 22:14 |
| RST38h | more or less, although they have got civilian models as well there | 22:14 |
| doc|work | in soviet russia there's no such thing as civilian : | 22:15 |
| doc|work | :) | 22:15 |
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| RST38h | doc: why? | 22:15 |
| doc|work | RST38h: because everyone's just a cog in one giant state machine | 22:15 |
| doc|work | (not that the rest of us are much better off these days :( ) | 22:16 |
| RST38h | and there are no civilian cogs there? | 22:16 |
| bongo|kup | what do i need to use jabber with pidgin? | 22:16 |
| doc|work | bongo|kup: nothing usually | 22:16 |
| woglinde | bongo internet connection | 22:16 |
| doc|work | bongo|kup: select xmpp | 22:16 |
| RST38h | may have to download a plugin but it should be there by default | 22:17 |
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| bongo|kup | i can't find it in the protocoll list | 22:17 |
| bongo|kup | icq, msn, aim .... i's all there | 22:18 |
| bongo|kup | but no xmpp | 22:18 |
| bongo|kup | :( | 22:18 |
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| woglinde | hm its time for a berr | 22:22 |
| woglinde | ups beer | 22:22 |
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| KurtKraut | I tried to upgrade my N800 to OS2008 using Windows Vista and there was a write fail during the upgrade and now my tablet is in a reboot loop. I cannot re-do the upgrade nor use it. Any suggestions? | 22:51 |
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| Meiz_n810 | why can't you re-upgrade? | 22:55 |
| woglinde | meiz its to easy | 22:56 |
| Corsac | hmhm, it seems that gpsd doesn't send anything on the 2947 port | 22:57 |
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| KurtKraut | Meiz_n810, since it is in a reboot loop, after it is detected by the upgrader, it reboots and disconnects from USB | 23:01 |
| woglinde | KurtKraut hm then it might be bricked | 23:01 |
| KurtKraut | woglinde, how can I fix that? | 23:01 |
| woglinde | KurtKraut send it back to nokia? | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Are you holding down Home? | 23:02 |
| KurtKraut | GeneralAntilles, are you asking me this? | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 23:02 |
| KurtKraut | woglinde, that sounds pretty bad :/ | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you're not holding down Hom, it wont wait in flashing mode. | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/Hom/Home/ | 23:03 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: If you're not holding down Home, it wont wait in flashing mode. | 23:03 |
| KurtKraut | GeneralAntilles, no, I'm now holding no button. And I've never seen this in any instructions, but I'll try that now | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flashing | 23:03 |
| infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 23:03 |
| milhouse | Anyone know why Nokia would be ordering 2 million capacitive touchscreens for May-June? Speculation is their for the 5800 handset, but could they be for the new tablet? | 23:04 |
| milhouse | s/their/they're/ | 23:04 |
| infobot | milhouse meant: Anyone know why Nokia would be ordering 2 million capacitive touchscreens for May-June? Speculation is they're for the 5800 handset, but could they be for the new tablet? | 23:04 |
| Ave | does n810 have resistive or capasitive ts? | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | milhouse, there's no way it's the tablet. | 23:05 |
| milhouse | 2m too many? | 23:05 |
| ShadowJK | Ave, resistive | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are two resistive panels in the kernel | 23:05 |
| KurtKraut | GeneralAntilles, the rebooting loop stopped. I think it will work. Thanks a lot for your information. | 23:05 |
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| Ave | kthx | 23:06 |
| milhouse | GA: I don't know the sales figures for previous tablets, maybe 2 million this time if the product is good enough? | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | milhouse, liqbase is a Fremantle star. | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, I know for sure they're ramping it up for this round | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | So definitely expect more than before. | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | 770 was about 50k | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | N800 was somewhere around 500k | 23:07 |
| milhouse | GA: About time to make a proper go of it | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | N810 I could only guess on | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | but I'd bet over a million | 23:07 |
| milhouse | So maybe 2m isn't such a stretch after all | 23:08 |
| ShadowJK | it could be for something silly too | 23:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Nah, but I don't think that number is useful in deciding whether it's for the tablets | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better to look at what's in the code | 23:08 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the code says "no capacitive" | 23:08 |
| milhouse | GA: Was just a punt in the dark! :) | 23:09 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, :D | 23:09 |
| ShadowJK | Isn't 5800 out already, or was their first S60 5th edition thing called 5600? I forget | 23:09 |
| lcuk | liqbase is indeed a * :D | 23:09 |
| woglinde | he lcuk | 23:09 |
| milhouse | Shadow: Yes, 5800 is out already which is why I thought the news about 2m new touchscreens a little odd | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | milhouse, yeah, well, my searchlights and flak 88s are shooting it down. :P | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, * == asshole? | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK | Ah, well, from what I've seen of 5th edition on a workmate's 5800, i'd think it'd be a bit challenging to use with capacitive screen | 23:10 |
| lcuk | :| | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ehehe | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not a Vonnegut fan? | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.vonnegut.com/images/art/aug06/01backdoor.jpg | 23:11 |
| ShadowJK | It'd be funny if they made S40 with touchscreen :-) | 23:12 |
| KurtKraut | Now I have a working N800 with OS800 thanks to GeneralAntilles, woglinde and Meiz_n810 who gave me some attention to me. Thanks again folks. | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, S40 is just funny period. | 23:16 |
| RST38h | moo all again | 23:16 |
| ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, my S40 phone is more reliable than my S60 :-) | 23:16 |
| ShadowJK | and the UI is more responsive | 23:16 |
| woglinde | kurt good to hear | 23:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Every S40 phone I've ever used has been absolute trash. | 23:16 |
| ShadowJK | Mind, most of that reliability probably comes from Nokia putting a CSR bluetooth chip in it rather than the TI in my S60 phone, which seems to require daily reboots to function :-) | 23:17 |
| RST38h | Shadow,GAN: One word: Java | 23:17 |
| woglinde | hm I didnt relize the n's have jazelle | 23:18 |
| RST38h | it's not that | 23:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I want a small, reasonably-inexpensive Cortex Linux phone. | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pre looks generally about right, but Sprint doesn't work. | 23:18 |
| woglinde | ga build your self one | 23:18 |
| RST38h | not possible given the cost of Cortex chips | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, reasonably-inexpensive. | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | i.e., I'm not looking for a giant screen or lots of side features. | 23:19 |
| RST38h | General: For reasonably-inexpensive, try anything with Samsung SoCs | 23:20 |
| RST38h | TI = expensive | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, a Cortex M-series wouldn't be super expensive. ;) | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, that's why I said "reasonably" | 23:20 |
| woglinde | gumstick? | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | PHONE | 23:21 |
| ShadowJK | Curiously the E55 (not released yet) specs list a 600MHz CPU :-) | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, pretty standard for the newer ARM11s | 23:21 |
| RST38h | Cortex M0: These processors support the Thumb-2 instruction set only. | 23:22 |
| RST38h | General: I do not think this one will be able to drive a smartphone | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I was kidding. | 23:22 |
| RST38h | Baseband - yes. General purpose - nah | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mirroring your insistence on silly technicalities. | 23:22 |
| RST38h | ah =) | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder how long the Pre's exclusive with Sprint will be. | 23:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully shorter than the iPhone's with AT&T | 23:23 |
| RST38h | if not those silly technicalities, we would all be carrying flexible, transparent, touchscreen Nokia phones with 1Gbps bandwidth permanentnly available at no cost | 23:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, nah, we wouldn't be endlessing arguing semantics in here. | 23:24 |
| RST38h | GAN: As of Pre, my guess is that Palm will simply produce a different phone model with the same software and make it available to more carriers =) | 23:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or Nokia could just get me a damn tablet so I could stop looking to phones to cure the jonesing. | 23:26 |
| ShadowJK | operators here started cutting costs... by not bothering to roll their custom firmwares in order to lock phones :-) | 23:27 |
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| Ave | that sounds great | 23:28 |
| ShadowJK | (Saunalahti) | 23:30 |
| * RST38h does not know what a "locked phone" is | 23:31 | |
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| ShadowJK | one you can't swap sim card in to use with another operator | 23:32 |
| ShadowJK | upgrading the software on it might also be blocked | 23:32 |
| RST38h | so silly | 23:33 |
| RST38h | do they at least subsidize this brick when they sell it to you? | 23:33 |
| ShadowJK | Nah it's just a loan in disguise really :-) | 23:33 |
| RST38h | so you are not paying for the phone? | 23:34 |
| ShadowJK | there's monthly fee | 23:35 |
| RST38h | Heh, OLPC switching from deceased Geode to VIA | 23:35 |
| GAN800 | They need ARM | 23:36 |
| ShadowJK | Probably the nicest thing with olpc was ditching bios for openfirmware | 23:36 |
| RST38h | Shadow: can you just buy a normal phone and just pay for airtime and traffic? | 23:36 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, yes | 23:36 |
| ShadowJK | That's what I do | 23:36 |
| GAN800 | I can't believe they're foisting x86 on a low power rig | 23:36 |
| RST38h | GAN: They need to run Windows. That, apparently, was a condition made by would be customer countries | 23:37 |
| * ShadowJK pays 10E per month for 2mbit/s unmetered gprs/edge/3g/hsdpa and 6.9cent/minute for calls | 23:37 | |
| GAN800 | Windows CE? It's close enough. | 23:37 |
| RST38h | Shadow: sounds pretty decent | 23:37 |
| GAN800 | Anyway, beggars can't be choosers. | 23:38 |
| RST38h | GAN: No, they need real Windows not that lobotomized crap | 23:38 |
| RST38h | GAN: But they can, that is the curious thing about the whole deal | 23:38 |
| GAN800 | They don't 'need' it. | 23:38 |
| milhouse | I heard a rumour that the OLPC crowd were pushing MS to get Windows 7 on ARM | 23:38 |
| RST38h | GAN: exactly | 23:38 |
| RST38h | They do not need those little green monsters | 23:38 |
| GAN800 | I wonder how much those requirements cost MS | 23:39 |
| RST38h | You mean running Windoze on a Geode? Not much, Windoze can run there, when stripped. It is an x86. | 23:40 |
| jaska | "run" | 23:40 |
| GAN800 | I mean how much bribe money they paid | 23:41 |
| RST38h | Ah, good question =) | 23:41 |
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| milhouse | Maybe none - would it be in MS's interest to get Win7 on ARM, perhaps running "full" Windows on mobile devices in future? OLPC would be a side benefit. | 23:42 |
| milhouse | mobile => ARM | 23:42 |
| RST38h | milhouse: getting Win7 on ARM is pointless | 23:42 |
| milhouse | Why? | 23:43 |
| Jaffa | And almost never going to happen. | 23:43 |
| ShadowJK | Software wouldn't run there :-) | 23:43 |
| RST38h | milhouse: you do not automatically get all Windows applications | 23:43 |
| jaska | win7 on qemu on arm? | 23:43 |
| RST38h | milhouse: and even if somebody DOES spend money on porting his app from x86 Windows to arm Windows, it will most likely run slow | 23:43 |
| Jaffa | MS don't need the revenue, and getting Win32 apps to be produced in a dual-binary mode like Apple did for the PPC -> x86 transition would be much harder | 23:43 |
| milhouse | I think the way ARM processors are going, performance could be quite reasonable - if not this year, then possibly next | 23:44 |
| milhouse | Big screen | 23:44 |
| RST38h | Hell, people, x86 can read unaligned data just like THAT | 23:44 |
| milhouse | Would it be that pointless? I'm not so sure - I bet MS would love to get rid of Win CE | 23:44 |
| RST38h | When you recompile x86 stuff to ARM, just finding out all places in the code causing alignment faults will take ages | 23:45 |
| pupnik | i listen to RST on such things | 23:45 |
| milhouse | And MS have supported multiple CPU architectures in Windows before now | 23:45 |
| pupnik | RST38h new fmopl for dosbox | 23:45 |
| RST38h | It still does | 23:45 |
| RST38h | But that word "support" is somewhat exagerrated | 23:45 |
| milhouse | Really - where can I get XP for my DEC Alpha? ;-) | 23:45 |
| RST38h | Dunno. But you can get it on the Itanic | 23:46 |
| GAN800 | Ah, Windows, honestly, who gives a shit? | 23:46 |
| Pavlov | 90% of the population | 23:46 |
| milhouse | I do - I've got shares in ARM! :) | 23:46 |
| GAN800 | Pavlov, they don't coung | 23:47 |
| Pavlov | haha | 23:47 |
| GAN800 | s/coung/count/ | 23:47 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: Pavlov, they don't count | 23:47 |
| Pavlov | if only | 23:47 |
| RST38h | Anyways, the Windoze requirement in OLPCs was made by the potential recipient countries | 23:47 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | rm_you: ping | 23:48 |
| RST38h | Poor Negroponte ventured out of his ivory tower and suddenly found out that those poor latinos and indians can just buy a bunch of desktops for $200/apiece rather than invest in his white elephant | 23:48 |
| milhouse | I wouldn't be so hard on the guy - he had laudible aims | 23:50 |
| RST38h | Some of them kinda agree to buy his stuff but only if it runs standard office software = Windows | 23:50 |
| rm_you | qwerty12_N800: pong | 23:50 |
| RST38h | milhouse: Yes, obviously, he wanted money grants for his lab =) | 23:50 |
| milhouse | Funny how Intel muscled their way in once they saw the potential for sales of their expensive kit to dry up | 23:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | rm_you: may I PM you? | 23:51 |
| rm_you | qwerty12_N800: course | 23:51 |
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| RST38h | milhouse: Intel always produced inexpensive chips (Celerons) | 23:53 |
| milhouse | chipset cost? | 23:54 |
| RST38h | and before that - 486SX and 386SX and 8088 | 23:54 |
| fireun | and then 8086 | 23:54 |
| RST38h | milhouse: just use a crappy VIA chipset | 23:54 |
| locutus | great | 23:54 |
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| milhouse | VIA chipset on an Intel machine? doubt it! | 23:54 |
| locutus | my N810 only powers down immediately after booting :-/ | 23:54 |
| RST38h | No, 8088 is actually a lower cost version of 8086 | 23:54 |
| * fireun shrugs at the relavance | 23:55 | |
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| pupnik | kickass | 23:55 |
| pupnik | watching youtubes on my panasonic bluray player | 23:55 |
| RST38h | milhouse: http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/chipsets/desktop-chipsets.jsp#intel-processors | 23:55 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: get it yet? :) | 23:56 |
| milhouse | RST: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classmate_PC | 23:56 |
| Macer | haha | 23:56 |
| Macer | or is it still in customs? | 23:56 |
| RST38h | milhouse: yea, I know what it is. So? | 23:56 |
| locutus | righto | 23:56 |
| milhouse | Do you really think Intel would manufacture a whole PC using someone elses chips when they could sell their own? Why? | 23:56 |
| locutus | so setting bash to be your login shell, will break Maemo? | 23:57 |
| Macer | hm. i'm downloading reaper | 23:57 |
| Macer | hope the show doesn't suck | 23:57 |
| Macer | sounds interesting | 23:57 |
| RST38h | milhouse: Intel does not manufacture PCs | 23:59 |
| milhouse | OK, it designs them - using it's kit. | 23:59 |
| RST38h | milhouse: What you are looking at is a reference design | 23:59 |
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