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| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, where abouts in the fremantle alpha are the icons? | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Same place as Diablo | 02:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | /usr/share/icons? | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's also a package puttering about in the repo. | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/non-free/o/osso-icons/ | 02:02 |
| lcuk | im lost in a silly folder tree: | 02:02 |
| lcuk | like this /scratchbox/device_tools/gdb-6.8/ | 02:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah, | 02:02 |
| lcuk | thanks though, thats prob easier | 02:02 |
| lcuk | is that basically all the icons used in the entire theme and stuff? | 02:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | /scratchbox/users/$USER/targets/FREMANTLE_X86/usr/share/icons | 02:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | theme specific gfx are inside the theme pkg | 02:03 |
| lcuk | ill just copy of the whole icons folder for now | 02:04 |
| lcuk | thanks :D im just having a play with some of the ui "real" ui bits for the config dialogs | 02:04 |
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| mikkov_ | qwerty12: midori is not installable because of missing libidn11 | 02:06 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, ive been having some fun the last couple of weeks with this lot, ive just made this big thing: http://liqbase.net/holymoly.png | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 02:07 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/fish_800_480.jpg im thinking of having a new background | 02:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mikkov_: bollocks >.<, I'd thought I'd promoted the required deps. (I can't remember specifying libidn as a Build-Dep anywhere...). Thanks for the heads up, I'll sort it in the morning :) | 02:08 |
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| lcuk | has any application for maemo been written to automatically post into an itt thread? | 02:11 |
| mikkov_ | just noticed that crawl is missing a library too... | 02:11 |
| ds3 | lcuk: spammer bot that can go anywhere? | 02:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, please, itT already has enough spam problems as it is ;) | 02:12 |
| lcuk | ds3, thinking of the "show off your desktop" thread | 02:12 |
| lcuk | liqbase can already upload things to my server, im just pondering making it upload things to itt ;) | 02:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, sure, but we'll have to dock you 500 karma points. :P | 02:22 |
| lcuk | thats ok, my Thanksbot will soon make up for that :P | 02:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, Blueman isn't even a good answer. :\ | 03:04 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: well if hildonized.. | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, right now I can't get it to work at all. | 03:16 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 03:16 |
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| zakkm | how odd | 05:55 |
| zakkm | zak:Downloads zak$ sudo ./flasher-2.0.macosx -F RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 05:55 |
| zakkm | sudo: unable to execute ./flasher-2.0.macosx: Bad CPU type in executable | 05:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's corrupted | 05:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Safari likes to do that sometimes. | 05:59 |
| zakkm | dang | 06:00 |
| zakkm | its weird, saved as attachment *RX- ... | 06:00 |
| zakkm | woooh 2007OS, turned out running 770flasher program made it work .. weird | 06:01 |
| zakkm | this is for fun, i got everything on my SD card.. ( cloned to sd ) | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | 770Flasher bundles its own copy. | 06:01 |
| zakkm | of flasher? | 06:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 06:02 |
| zakkm | oh | 06:02 |
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| zakkm | what the | 06:03 |
| zakkm | no connections avaliable, for wifi? | 06:03 |
| zakkm | lol 2007OS has more brightness levels than diablo | 06:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You're not using Advanced Backlight? | 06:07 |
| matt___ | I'm looking for a "bash" command that will do the same as clear for my nokian810. I want to clear stuff. | 06:07 |
| matt___ | in terminal I mean. | 06:07 |
| zakkm | i am, its just funny the default | 06:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS2008 forgot about the N800 | 06:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the N810 has a light sensor to help with brightness. | 06:08 |
| zakkm | ah | 06:08 |
| zakkm | i dont find this any slower? | 06:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a fresh system | 06:08 |
| zakkm | im sure if i run normal apps, it will change though | 06:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fresh systems are always faster than ones bogged down by 50 suspect packages. | 06:09 |
| zakkm | its linux, thats not suppose to happen | 06:09 |
| zakkm | 2007 repository still strong? | 06:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Says who? | 06:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | What Linux says is that you don't need to reboot every day to keep it running decently | 06:10 |
| zakkm | not like package adding, i just meant stable wise and such | 06:10 |
| zakkm | it still works and all? | 06:10 |
| zakkm | you just restart X :) | 06:10 |
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| zakkm | but windows does indeed get bloated overtime, what bloats linux over time | 06:10 |
| matt___ | in terminal, how can I clear the screen? | 06:12 |
| zakkm | GeneralAntilles: is the battery life lower in 770? | 06:12 |
| zakkm | like noticeably? | 06:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | 770 doesn't implement a lot of the powersaving features that are available on OS2008. | 06:12 |
| zakkm | oh sorry i meant 2007OS | 06:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | matt___, I don't know if there's a way by default. | 06:13 |
| zakkm | not 770 nokia | 06:13 |
| zakkm | matt_ clr | 06:13 |
| Proteous | type clear? | 06:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, OS2007 doesn't implement cpufreq or anything like that. | 06:13 |
| zakkm | dang | 06:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Proteous, don't think that's bundled with Busybox | 06:13 |
| Proteous | hmm | 06:13 |
| zakkm | would i still get an alright battery life? | 06:13 |
| zakkm | i want to stick with 2007 heh | 06:14 |
| zakkm | and then jump to mer, when i think its ready | 06:14 |
| Proteous | press enter like 20 times? | 06:14 |
| fireun | at some point... when ever that is | 06:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS2007 sucks. | 06:14 |
| zakkm | why? | 06:14 |
| zakkm | for what i do, i dont think its bad | 06:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's slower, the software is old and buggy, and it has a lot fewer features. | 06:15 |
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| zakkm | battery life will annoy me | 06:16 |
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| zakkm | old and buggy, i havent had a crash yet, or seen a crash much in maemo at all | 06:16 |
| zakkm | only way is if you check logs ;p | 06:16 |
| zakkm | whats mistral? | 06:16 |
| zakkm | is that safe to use on 2007os? | 06:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS2006 | 06:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not API-compatible. | 06:17 |
| zakkm | its in gronmayers 2007OS repo list | 06:17 |
| fireun | hah, michael j fox did a cameo on rescue me, bitchin. | 06:17 |
| fireun | zakkm: are you still arguing os choice? | 06:17 |
| zakkm | ahh can os2007 be cloned to SD? | 06:18 |
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| fireun | guys, let it go - run whatever works for ya, until you run something else. | 06:18 |
| zakkm | fireun : no ive decided on 2007 , and then im going to jump to mer.. but i havent used 2007 in soo long, so i m asking GA for help, as im doing stuff | 06:18 |
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| fireun | doesnt look like you're getting the help you're looking for... (: | 06:19 |
| zakkm | yeah i am? | 06:19 |
| fireun | GeneralAntilles: nothing personal (: | 06:19 |
| zakkm | "is that safe for 2007os" "OS 2006 , not api-compatible " | 06:19 |
| fireun | zakkm: ok, as you were then. | 06:19 |
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| zakkm | "would i get a alright battery" " 2007 doesnt implement alot of powersaving features that are avaliable on os2008" | 06:19 |
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| zakkm | fireun: whats your favourite? | 06:20 |
| zakkm | by UI that is | 06:20 |
| zakkm | UI / look | 06:20 |
| zakkm | not talknig speed or anything | 06:20 |
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| zakkm | on the nokia, whats your favourite UI | 06:20 |
| fireun | fireun: OS de jur | 06:21 |
| fireun | er | 06:21 |
| zakkm | ? | 06:21 |
| fireun | zakkm: 2007 for stability, 2008 for wizbang | 06:21 |
| zakkm | OS er jur? | 06:21 |
| zakkm | wizbang? | 06:21 |
| zakkm | i was counting mer ui, ubuntu ui , e17 one and all | 06:21 |
| fireun | but 2008 sucks battery unless I manually select offline mode when I put the shell back on | 06:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | fireun, 770 != N800 | 06:21 |
| fireun | GeneralAntilles: ? | 06:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS2008 is more stable than OS2007 on OMAP2 hardware | 06:22 |
| zakkm | i personaly think the 770 looks better than the n800. | 06:22 |
| zakkm | the actual tablet | 06:22 |
| zakkm | and the n810 beats them both | 06:22 |
| fireun | I'll be aiming to try mer, but at this point want android compatibility for the future app selection | 06:22 |
| fireun | so, hard to say until I try em all out | 06:22 |
| zakkm | GeneralAntilles: would a repo for basic games be alright if its mistral? | 06:23 |
| fireun | I like the shell of the 770 | 06:23 |
| zakkm | just battlegweled and stuff | 06:23 |
| zakkm | ahhh | 06:23 |
| zakkm | android , i didnt think of that | 06:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not API-compatible. | 06:24 |
| zakkm | is it possible to update 2007OS browser? | 06:24 |
| zakkm | so it wont work at all? | 06:24 |
| zakkm | im not going to be developing for it, it must be in 2007OS choices for a reason wouldnt it? | 06:24 |
| zakkm | i love adding all repos | 06:24 |
| fireun | GeneralAntilles: well whats the point then? | 06:24 |
| zakkm | and then going through all the packages :) | 06:24 |
| zakkm | does anyone use claw-mail on nokia? | 06:25 |
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| fireun | seriously, wtf, why wouldnt nitroid be api compatible with android? you lose the whole point otherwise | 06:26 |
| fireun | gah. | 06:27 |
| zakkm | i think he was talking about mistral and me adding repo, not android | 06:27 |
| fireun | lets hope so. | 06:27 |
| zakkm | nitdroid would of been good if it had sound and dsp :p | 06:28 |
| zakkm | proper onscreen keyboard too | 06:28 |
| zakkm | fireun: what tablet you own? | 06:28 |
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| zakkm | GeneralAntilles: When i select side menu , theres a weird constant delay, is that cpu related or is there a delay field in gconf? | 06:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | CPU | 06:37 |
| fireun | Connecticut public university? | 06:40 |
| zakkm | wow just installed theme-os06 .. they didnt look half bad | 06:41 |
| fireun | Chaos Prorogation Uncertainty? | 06:42 |
| zakkm | hey GeneralAntilles: do you know how i can view my iCal calendar on nokia? | 06:44 |
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| zakkm | GeneralAntilles: This is so perfect :) | 07:38 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 08:02 |
| zakkm | RST38h: isnt 2007OS awesome? :) | 08:03 |
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| RST38h | zakkm: How would I know? Running OS2008 here | 08:05 |
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| zakkm | i downgraded :) | 08:06 |
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| thux | morning | 08:44 |
| Lanza | morning | 08:44 |
| zakkm | morning | 08:44 |
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| zakkm | when i enter my user and password in opera ( 2007OS) it says scope "this page only" .. whats scope? | 09:04 |
| Proteous | damn, you've discovered my password stealing script | 09:05 |
| Proteous | new I should have done more testing | 09:05 |
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| Proteous | just means what pages it will autofill that password on | 09:05 |
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| zakkm | Proteous: oh sweet, thanks | 09:27 |
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| konttori_ | has anyone tried making a music player on top of MAFW yet? | 09:46 |
| Macer | SunOS alicia 5.11 NexentaOS_20081207 i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris | 09:47 |
| Macer | sorry | 09:47 |
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| thux | sometimes mediaplayer sayz stream not supported sometimes it just plays it? (yle arena wmv) | 10:00 |
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| thux | is there a mplayer plugin for microb browser? | 10:02 |
| zakkm | thux: never seen it/heard of one for microb | 10:03 |
| zakkm | thux: you google'd ? | 10:03 |
| zakkm | thux: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17715 <-- what you want | 10:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | konttori_, no, but I bet you'd get more bites if you shipped out some sneaky peak hardware. ;) | 10:16 |
| konttori_ | GeneralAntilles: oh, I was just planning to convert ukmp today to use mafw for playback | 10:17 |
| konttori_ | and just wondered if anyone had tried it for playback use | 10:17 |
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| Pavlov | heh | 10:17 |
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| lcuk | mornin konttori_ \o | 10:36 |
| konttori_ | lcuk: morning | 10:36 |
| konttori_ | I'm just uploading 'last diablo version' of ukmp | 10:37 |
| konttori_ | and then moving to convert ukmp to use tracker and mafw. | 10:37 |
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| Stskeeps | sounds like a sane decision | 10:37 |
| konttori_ | I already tested ukmp last week on the device. Onl needed to fix about 10 lines to get it working in fremantle | 10:38 |
| konttori_ | but music playback was not working | 10:38 |
| konttori_ | as fremantle does not have the osso-media-server | 10:38 |
| lcuk | seems reasonable to me :D | 10:38 |
| lcuk | are you still locked into rotated oreintation? | 10:39 |
| lcuk | +correct spelling | 10:39 |
| konttori_ | lcuk: yeah. | 10:40 |
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| konttori_ | well, I haven't updated ukmp lately at all, except to fix that it now uses osso-media-server so that playback quality is a bit better than with just direct playbin call | 10:40 |
| konttori_ | but the diablo autobuilder is not working atm | 10:41 |
| konttori_ | :( | 10:41 |
| lcuk | playback quality itself improves? :D | 10:41 |
| lcuk | super library to the rescue! | 10:41 |
| konttori_ | well, osso-media-server seems to have 'optimal' settings | 10:41 |
| lcuk | check qwerty isnt building something lol | 10:42 |
| konttori_ | and I don't really have the patience to find out the optimal settings. | 10:42 |
| lcuk | agreed there | 10:42 |
| lcuk | has the snow gone yet | 10:42 |
| konttori_ | ah. mtdos was building in diablo queue | 10:42 |
| konttori_ | lcuk: yeah. snow is totally gone | 10:42 |
| lcuk | good, maybe now england will start to get warmer too ! | 10:43 |
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| * lcuk still doesnt know why hes awake so early | 10:44 | |
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| konttori_ | lcuk: have you been working on clutter yet? | 10:48 |
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| konttori_ | I'm kind of pondering whether I would do my next project on pyclutter, or on qgraphicsview. | 10:48 |
| konttori_ | and as c++ app or as python app. | 10:48 |
| thux | zakkm: thanks | 10:57 |
| zakkm | thux: your welcome :)! | 10:58 |
| zakkm | thux: google is your friend, i googled mplayer-plugin maemo. and it was the first link. | 10:58 |
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| lcuk | konttori_, c++ is a lovely language, if used right, you should gain nice access to the qt libraries as well ;) | 10:59 |
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| lcuk | mornin qwerty12 \o | 10:59 |
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| qwerty12 | ello lcuk | 10:59 |
| thux | yeah should ask google first :) | 10:59 |
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| lcuk | you havin a lazy day today qwerty or are you upto stuff | 11:00 |
| * lcuk is gonna eat lots of chocolate and put up with people fixing his roof | 11:00 | |
| qwerty12 | No, finally packaging the installer I'd made for stskeeps for a battery monitor | 11:01 |
| lcuk | kc battery mon? | 11:01 |
| lcuk | or the one you found but needed a tweak from | 11:02 |
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| qwerty12 | Nah, the one that requires a closed source component :) | 11:03 |
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| lcuk | oo | 11:03 |
| aquatix | good moaning | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | morning aquatix | 11:03 |
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| * lcukx41 hears banging on the roof :O | 11:36 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Roof repair is the worst. | 11:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's like you're living in an aquarium or something. | 11:37 |
| lcuk | yes! | 11:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | People crawling past the windows outside | 11:37 |
| lcuk | get that anyway downstairs lol | 11:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Walking, pounding, and tapping on the roof all day. | 11:37 |
| lcuk | most shocking we had was at work one day (3rd floor) suddenly someone appeared at my window | 11:38 |
| lcuk | i almost shat myself | 11:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 11:38 |
| RST38h | Sounds like a typical day in our building | 11:39 |
| RST38h | Except here they seemingly use dentist drills on the walls | 11:39 |
| aquatix | lcuk: so since then, you don't watch pr0n at work anymore? | 11:44 |
| lcuk | lol | 11:46 |
| zakkm | omg | 11:52 |
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| zakkm | the new terminator ep, theres someone in it that looks like someone i knew from work not more than a month ago | 11:53 |
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| aquatix | zakkm: haha | 11:56 |
| aquatix | always fun those lookalikes | 11:56 |
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| aquatix | i sometimes have it the other way around | 11:57 |
| aquatix | that i see someone on the street and i think `hey i know that guy! oh wait, from $series...' | 11:57 |
| zakkm | its weird cause she just changed her hair color | 11:57 |
| zakkm | but soo identical, i really think its her | 11:58 |
| zakkm | aquatix: not even a lookalike, its an extra | 11:58 |
| zakkm | like 2min for just this particular episode | 11:59 |
| aquatix | heh :) | 11:59 |
| aquatix | an ex colleague of mine sometimes figures in advertisments | 12:00 |
| aquatix | even on tv | 12:00 |
| aquatix | that's kinda weird too :) | 12:00 |
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| zakkm | heh | 12:03 |
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| zakkm | this is going to suck cause ill neve rget to ask her | 12:04 |
| zakkm | she quit, and then i did | 12:04 |
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| RST38h | What if you start seeing people in StarTrek red shirts on the street? | 12:05 |
| RST38h | Is it a good sign or a bad sign? | 12:05 |
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| zakkm | bad :) | 12:06 |
| RST38h | Ah, another iPhone thread on iTT | 12:07 |
| zakkm | lol | 12:08 |
| lcukx41 | its a good sign RST38h, as long as your wardrobe isnt overly red ;) | 12:10 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Yea, that is what I figured | 12:20 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Look for a mirror, check your own shirt, if it is red, RUN THE HELL AWAY while you still can | 12:20 |
| * zakkm only wears black shirts, thinks hes safe :) | 12:20 | |
| RST38h | zakkm: That makes you a Steve Jobs wannabe though | 12:20 |
| RST38h | *Especially* if it is turtlenecks | 12:21 |
| zakkm | I do run Mac OSX :) | 12:21 |
| RST38h | See? Tolya | 12:21 |
| zakkm | and am a fanboy | 12:21 |
| RST38h | Toldya | 12:21 |
| zakkm | and honestly, who doesnt want to be a steve jobs? | 12:21 |
| zakkm | what kind of statement is that | 12:21 |
| zakkm | last i checked, he had a good life | 12:21 |
| glass | who would want to be steve jobs? | 12:21 |
| glass | he's a douchebag | 12:21 |
| glass | a good life just depens on your standards | 12:22 |
| zakkm | yeah but if your him, you would change things | 12:22 |
| RST38h | given that the guy has got cancer, I am not sure there is a good answer to this question | 12:22 |
| glass | zakkm: if i were him, i would be him, not me in his body overnight or shit like that | 12:22 |
| zakkm | at a later age in his life, and cancer could be cured in time | 12:22 |
| lcukx41 | its ok, im sure steve jobs is refactoring his own dna coding so he can just switch to intel or something | 12:23 |
| RST38h | In unrelated news, anyone is interested in ATI85 source code? | 12:23 |
| zakkm | lcukx41: whats with the x41? | 12:23 |
| glass | whats ati85? | 12:23 |
| zakkm | calculator | 12:23 |
| glass | ah | 12:23 |
| lcukx41 | x41 lenovo tabletpc | 12:23 |
| zakkm | graphing calculator model 83 . | 12:23 |
| zakkm | 85* | 12:23 |
| RST38h | Should I release the sources or should I use time for something more useful? | 12:23 |
| zakkm | 83 is the main one used for school | 12:23 |
| zakkm | RST38h: found it odd, before i went to OS2007 .. i had them all. but when updated it was only 85 , not 83? | 12:24 |
| glass | whats different between ati-85 and ti85 then? i used to have ti85 | 12:24 |
| lcukx41 | release if its not a hassle, but you are working on it | 12:24 |
| zakkm | glass: NOTHING | 12:24 |
| zakkm | a = artifical | 12:24 |
| glass | 'kay then | 12:24 |
| zakkm | artitical TI. | 12:24 |
| zakkm | or something | 12:24 |
| zakkm | almost real TI ? | 12:24 |
| zakkm | glass: never seen the app? | 12:24 |
| zakkm | its a screenshot of the calculator... with fully working buttons | 12:24 |
| glass | zakkm: the emu? yeah, but i'm not that intrested. it's just a calculator :) | 12:25 |
| lcukx41 | RST38h: my view on source is that on the whole if its an active codebase then its less of a problem | 12:25 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Ok, so nobody cares, in all practicality | 12:25 |
| zakkm | RST38h: can you releaseit for OS2007? | 12:25 |
| RST38h | zakkm: starting with 1.3, the model seleciton is done through a menu | 12:25 |
| zakkm | what happened to TI-83 one? | 12:25 |
| zakkm | ohhh | 12:26 |
| zakkm | wish i knew that in class | 12:26 |
| RST38h | zakkm: And no, I cant release it for OS2007 | 12:26 |
| zakkm | i updated im like ohh crap i gotta use a real calculator now | 12:26 |
| RST38h | Press FullScreen button and then select ti83 | 12:26 |
| zakkm | no dependencies on OS2007? | 12:26 |
| zakkm | why do you call it ATI85 then? | 12:27 |
| zakkm | if its all of them, that confused me | 12:27 |
| zakkm | TI Calculators | 12:27 |
| zakkm | or something | 12:27 |
| zakkm | TiCalc | 12:27 |
| RST38h | historical | 12:27 |
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| zakkm | nice job on it too, showed it to some people they were impressed | 12:28 |
| zakkm | im like yo check out my touchscreen graphic calculator | 12:28 |
| zakkm | (grade 12 classes) | 12:28 |
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| lcukx41 | zakkm: what did the iphonecrowd retaliate with | 12:54 |
| lcukx41 | or did a friend show you a real original ti calc :P | 12:55 |
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| astar0th | hi | 13:32 |
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| Stskeeps | hi | 13:33 |
| astar0th | i 've receive a n810 and i've questions about it | 13:35 |
| astar0th | i saw we can upgrade the firmware, their is many version. | 13:36 |
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| astar0th | can i safely upgrade with the 5.2008.43-7 version ? | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i think it's the latest one | 13:37 |
| astar0th | ok | 13:37 |
| astar0th | oh and i 've install the SDK | 13:38 |
| astar0th | unfortunatelly i'm on gentoo and i've some probleme to find xephyr X server | 13:39 |
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| b0unc3 | good morning | 13:47 |
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| ssvb | astar0th: google "gentoo xephyr" -> Gentoo users compile x11-base/xorg-server with USE=”kdrive” | 13:52 |
| crazy_im1 | is there already a new kernel version ported for the n810? | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | crazy_im1: there's a GSoC project to bring it fully up to date | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | well, or hopefully going to be one | 13:56 |
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| crazy_im1 | hm | 13:59 |
| crazy_im1 | is a lot of uniq stuff in the kernel? | 14:00 |
| ssvb | crazy_im1: do you have a strong urge to run a new kernel? | 14:00 |
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| crazy_im1 | ssvb: just thinking about making a openwrt target for the n810 | 14:01 |
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| ssvb | crazy_im1: new kernels are somewhat working, at least you can boot them to a shell | 14:02 |
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| Stskeeps | ssvb: btw, the problem with people's screens scrolling isn't a sw/X problem at least, probably a loose wire or something (mine ran into it as well) | 14:03 |
| ssvb | crazy_im1: ensuring that they don't have new bugs, no functionality is broken and you can boot and run full maemo system is harder | 14:03 |
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| lbt | hello gnuton :D | 14:25 |
| gnuton | hei Daviid :D | 14:25 |
| lbt | are you going to copenhagen at end May? | 14:26 |
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| matt | In the terminal on my nokia n810, please tell me there is a way I can clear the screen. | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | clear+? | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | clear | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:51 |
| matt | Stskeeps: It doesn't work for me. | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | eh. :P | 15:52 |
| GnutOnMobile | lbt: no. I'll be in helsinki | 15:52 |
| tank-man | press enter a few times :) | 15:52 |
| matt | tank-man: You talking to me? Yeah...I'm wanting to use clear in a bash command. | 15:53 |
| tank-man | yea i just tried "clear" not there | 15:54 |
| matt | tank-man: I know...and I really want it to be. sudo apt-get install clear :) | 15:54 |
| tank-man | maybe if you have a debian chroot setup, you can just copy the "clear" binary over with out any compiling | 15:56 |
| matt | tank-man: Possibly...not sure. Could work. | 15:57 |
| matt | tank-man: Do you think an ubuntu install would provide the right clear? | 15:58 |
| tank-man | you have an ubuntu installed on your n810 ?\ | 15:58 |
| matt | tank-man: No no....on my server. It is i386 though, so probably not. | 15:59 |
| aquatix | matt: or do ctrl+l | 15:59 |
| aquatix | that's a shortcute for the `clear' command | 15:59 |
| tank-man | im not too familiar with apt-get but maybe you can get a armel binary for clear from your ubuntu server | 15:59 |
| matt | aquatix: Can I do that in a bash file? | 15:59 |
| aquatix | erm | 16:00 |
| aquatix | maybe | 16:00 |
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| aquatix | what shell do you use btw? | 16:00 |
| aquatix | as i seem to have `clear' on ubuntu | 16:00 |
| aquatix | in bash | 16:00 |
| aquatix | build-in | 16:00 |
| tank-man | if this is for a small shell script, the ugly hack is to "echo " empty lines a couple times | 16:00 |
| matt | aquatix: I'm talking about on maemo terminal. | 16:00 |
| matt | tank-man: True. But not what I want. | 16:01 |
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| aquatix | matt: ah, `clear' indeed doesn't work in maemo term | 16:01 |
| aquatix | hm | 16:01 |
| matt | aquatix: tank-man Can you check on your nokia n810 and see if you have a /usr/bin/clear , because I do, but I had to chmod +x it, and it still doesn't work. | 16:01 |
| tank-man | nope | 16:02 |
| tank-man | not there | 16:02 |
| aquatix | and not here too | 16:02 |
| matt | tank-man: aquatix That's odd. perhaps I accidently copied before I copied :) | 16:02 |
| aquatix | maybe you can put ^l in the script | 16:02 |
| aquatix | not sure that works though | 16:02 |
| aquatix | or type a ctrl+v+ctrl+l or something | 16:03 |
| matt | aquatix: dunno, probably not, but does ctrl+l work in n810? | 16:03 |
| aquatix | yep | 16:03 |
| tank-man | ctl+l works for me | 16:03 |
| matt | so what does it do? | 16:03 |
| aquatix | what it should do, clear the terminal :) | 16:04 |
| matt | aquatix: tank-man I mean, it is just a substitute for the full command isn't it? | 16:04 |
| tank-man | or ctrl+l could be the terminal emulator im using (konsole on my desktop) | 16:04 |
| aquatix | yeah, except that the `clear' command isn't found, but ctrl+l works | 16:04 |
| aquatix | this is on the device itself | 16:04 |
| matt | aquatix: I'm just suggesting that perhaps it is something other than clear. | 16:04 |
| matt | lets see if it works over ssh. | 16:04 |
| matt | yes, i was on my desktop ssh'd into my nokia, and it worked. | 16:05 |
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| aquatix | cls or whatever doesn't seem to work too | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | busyboxism probably | 16:07 |
| matt | aquatix: I know, but the fact that ctl+l works makes me think I can get it to work. | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | just do what clear does :P | 16:08 |
| matt | Stskeeps: What? | 16:08 |
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| Stskeeps | as in, busybox not having 'clear' | 16:10 |
| matt | Stskeeps: Well do you know what I can do about it? | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | curs_clear could probably be a way, through curses | 16:12 |
| matt | Stskeeps: not found. | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but i was talking of a C function :P | 16:14 |
| matt | Stskeeps: I don't quite follow. | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | nm | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | brb | 16:14 |
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| juergbi | matt: are you looking for something like this? echo -n -e "\033[2J\033[0;0f" | 16:18 |
| juergbi | (terminal escape codes to clear screen and position cursor at 0, 0) | 16:18 |
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| aquatix | juergbi: that looks useful | 16:18 |
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| lcuk | VDVsx, how many hours away is the meeting, im shit with clocks and mine keep varying between +-2hours | 16:27 |
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| matt | juergbi: I love you. I could techincally create a bash script with that in it and then name it as "clear" and place it in /usr/bin/ couldn't i? | 16:29 |
| juergbi | mat: sure. i haven't tested it with the maemo terminal, but i don't see why it shouldn't work there | 16:30 |
| matt | juergbi: It worked beautifully. Thanks. | 16:31 |
| aquatix | neat | 16:32 |
| matt | Is there a way to check the physical status of a cd tray? example, type command, it tells you whether it is opened or closed? | 16:33 |
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| tank-man | maybe "eject" | 16:37 |
| matt | tank-man: I use eject to eject the cd's but I don't think it'll tell the status. | 16:37 |
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| tank-man | you have that eject script bound to a physical key on a keyboard ? | 16:39 |
| matt | tank-man: No, I've written a simple bash script so I can hit 1 2 3 4 depending on whether I want to open or close scd0 or scd1 | 16:40 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, 3h 5m :) | 16:55 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, you are in UTC+1 right ? :) | 16:56 |
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| Stskeeps | what meeting? :P | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | is it the copenhagen developer meeting happening this weekend that the newspapers talked about? ;p | 16:58 |
| VDVsx | yes :) ehheeh, GSoC meeting | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:59 |
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| wazd | hello world | 17:01 |
| RST38h | hello wazd | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | hello wazd | 17:01 |
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| RST38h | Bandai's Project A.i.R. is a $525 blue grid that blows up | 17:16 |
| RST38h | Mghm | 17:17 |
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| lcuk | VDVsx, thanks, 6pm my time then | 17:35 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, Yes, I'm in the same timezone :) | 17:36 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, ive had no end of conflicts with my clocks the last couple of weeks | 17:37 |
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| VDVsx | :) | 17:38 |
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| lbt | gnuton: yell when you're around... | 17:56 |
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| lcuk | lbt, wont he have to eat much more before he is a round? | 17:58 |
| lbt | he's italian - he's probably oval already | 17:58 |
| lcuk | heh | 17:59 |
| lcuk | more than likely | 17:59 |
| lbt | phew - just looking at how svn does branches ... scary ... especially when the source is Qt! | 18:00 |
| lcuk | im quite impressed with git now i am using it | 18:02 |
| lcuk | i was afraid of losing updates and things | 18:02 |
| lcuk | but knowing i do keep a complete local repo even thou i push and merge with the server is a great comfort :) | 18:03 |
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| lbt | git stash | 18:04 |
| lbt | and yes the safety it offfers is huge | 18:05 |
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| * konttori_ successfully moved ukmp to use the new album art thumbnailing model as described in http://live.gnome.org/MediaArtStorageSpec | 18:11 | |
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| * RST38h wonders if he should try UKMP | 18:13 | |
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| RST38h | Osso Player is too dumb, Canola too heavy, MediaBox too buggy | 18:15 |
| aquatix | RST38h: well, just try :) | 18:15 |
| aquatix | it's only 600KB | 18:15 |
| lcuk | RST38h, you should, its another portrait app :) | 18:18 |
| konttori_ | RST38h: well, you can try it out. I just updated the diablo version | 18:21 |
| konttori_ | I modified it to do the portrait app to see how nicely portrait works for music player type of cases, where you have long lists | 18:21 |
| konttori_ | scanlining looks a bit bad in the 'old' devices (except 770) when portrait mode is used | 18:23 |
| konttori_ | on the bright side, it's not an issue in the 'new' devices. | 18:23 |
| konttori_ | or so I'm guessing... | 18:23 |
| aquatix | it scanlines a bit while scrolling album art | 18:25 |
| konttori_ | yeah | 18:25 |
| aquatix | quite a bit | 18:25 |
| aquatix | on n810 | 18:25 |
| konttori_ | yeah. on 770 it's better | 18:25 |
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| disco_stu | hi | 18:42 |
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| disco_stu | is there rotation for 43-7? | 18:42 |
| RST38h | konttori: you are using dbus to send commands to osso media player or mplayer? | 18:43 |
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| konttori_ | RST38h: in diablo? | 18:48 |
| konttori_ | yeah. | 18:48 |
| konttori_ | I'm calling osso-media-serv to playback music | 18:48 |
| konttori_ | (on the latest version 1.86) | 18:49 |
| RST38h | then it will have the same sync problems as the other python based players =( | 18:49 |
| konttori_ | on all previous versions it has been calling gst directly | 18:49 |
| konttori_ | RST38h: what problems? | 18:49 |
| konttori_ | I switched to osso-media so that there would be no problems | 18:49 |
| RST38h | konttori: playback getting stuck in play mode, even after the player is quit | 18:49 |
| konttori_ | RST38h: Um. Hmm... I think I stop playing when I quit. | 18:50 |
| RST38h | konttori: So does the MediaBox guy | 18:50 |
| konttori_ | it's just a matter of calling stop() before quitting | 18:50 |
| RST38h | Only, apparently, not all dbus messages come through and get handled by the player | 18:50 |
| konttori_ | ah. crap. | 18:50 |
| RST38h | Canola guys have got even more problems wit mplayer | 18:50 |
| konttori_ | really? mplayer rocks and it's rock solid. why would you have probs with it? | 18:51 |
| RST38h | Well, try playing a file or a stream, then switching to a different screen | 18:51 |
| RST38h | Quite often, it will continue showing mplayer overlay | 18:51 |
| RST38h | If you do play.pause multiple times on a stream, it will usually get stuck in some state where the stream is not playing but canola thinks it is | 18:52 |
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| pcdso1 | Can I install os2007 applications on os2008? | 18:57 |
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| tank-man | pcdso1, sure but problems can happen | 19:01 |
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| ShadowJK | corruption when switching window in mplayer can be fixed by using vo xv instead of omapfb | 19:04 |
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| pcdso1 | thanks tank-man | 19:05 |
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| konttori_ | Hmm.. looks like pygame in fremantle is not able to open png or jpg images. | 19:06 |
| konttori_ | odd | 19:06 |
| RST38h | Shadow: It is not corruption. Mplayer continues playing | 19:07 |
| lcuk | konttori_, thats a bit of a shitter | 19:07 |
| RST38h | Shadow: It is basically not getting a message from Canola to stop | 19:07 |
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| konttori_ | lcuk: it was able to do that some days ago when I tested ukmp on the device | 19:08 |
| lcuk | perhaps its a different issue then? location of media or path specified not correct? | 19:09 |
| lcuk | or a bad regression bug | 19:09 |
| lcuk | "error removed media loading capabilities" | 19:09 |
| RST38h | ah shit, this laptop no longer allows me to set 320x240 screen mode | 19:09 |
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| ds3 | 9 | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | 10 | 19:12 |
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| lcuk | why cant i make my n810 do wake on lan | 19:18 |
| qwerty12 | I was gonna say that it's probably easier to make your router do it but then I remembered. | 19:19 |
| lbt | lcuk: do you mean send a WoL ? | 19:19 |
| tank-man | wake on lan is old, the future is mind reading devices like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKd_AJUUT7Q | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: receive is bloody difficult. send is easier | 19:20 |
| lcuk | heh no, i mean wake my n810 up when i need it over the network | 19:20 |
| lbt | you need the mouse-trap game | 19:20 |
| * lcuk DOES understand the difficulties with implemtning such a thing over wifi | 19:20 | |
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| lbt | my GPS device does wake-on-bluetooth... wonder if that's easier? | 19:21 |
| lcuk | :D robot computer - get an old desktop opening and closing its drawer as required | 19:21 |
| tank-man | mouse trap setup lol | 19:21 |
| lcuk | possibly | 19:21 |
| lcuk | thats quite a good feature lbt | 19:21 |
| tank-man | my gps wakes on bt too if its not in logging mode | 19:22 |
| lbt | 747? | 19:23 |
| tank-man | qstarz bt-q 1000 | 19:24 |
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| konttori_ | who is handling the python packages in fremantle? | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | anderson lizardo, openbossa | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | (at indt), i think | 20:28 |
| konttori_ | Wed Apr 8 15:34:04 EEST 2009 was integrated to fremantle a version of pygame that doesn't support png images. | 20:28 |
| konttori_ | ok, thanks. | 20:29 |
| konttori_ | andrei1089: sorry, wrong channel: are you handling python packages in maemo? | 20:29 |
| konttori_ | (see above) | 20:30 |
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| konttori_ | pygame.image.get_extended returns False | 20:33 |
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| edbartosh | VDVsx: hi, have I missed GSoC meeting? | 20:36 |
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| RST38h | konttori: libgif is way more convenient than libpng =) | 20:43 |
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| konttori_ | RST38h: lol. Anyway, I copied diablo version of pygame to the fremantle and it worked just fine | 20:46 |
| konttori_ | (even on the device) | 20:46 |
| RST38h | hehe | 20:47 |
| RST38h | what device??? | 20:47 |
| RST38h | please, elaborate starting from this point =0 | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | the day even RST38h started being intensely curious about next device :> | 20:48 |
| RST38h | Curiosity killed the cat (i.e. you have to be curious *sneakely*( | 20:50 |
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| * konttori_ would really like to comment more, but alas, cannot. | 20:56 | |
| RST38h | translation: it is NOT a Beagle board | 20:56 |
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| konttori_ | oh, definitely not. | 20:57 |
| konttori_ | however, that would also be nice to have. | 20:57 |
| konttori_ | although, I would probably rather have the nvidia chipset that is capable of fullhd so that I could jack that to my video projector to serve as a media center. | 20:58 |
| RST38h | you will still have problems decoding | 20:58 |
| konttori_ | well, with hardware decoder, that should not be an issue | 21:00 |
| RST38h | given the current zoo of video encoding formats, the only thing that guarantees decent playback is a fast general purpose cpu | 21:00 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 21:00 |
| RST38h | (NOT an Atom :)) | 21:00 |
| ShadowJK | My atom almost does 1080p h264 :) | 21:01 |
| ShadowJK | but almost doesn't count :) | 21:01 |
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| konttori_ | RST38h: hmmpph. I'm not entirely sure about that. DSPs these days have really good support for stream decoding. software only has to jack out the container stuff. | 21:01 |
| ShadowJK | (dualcore version of atom) | 21:01 |
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| * RST38h knows that his 2.4GHz P4 does not do 1080p well | 21:01 | |
| konttori_ | inside, content tends to be in only a handful of codeks (and their few variants) | 21:01 |
| RST38h | konttori: the latter is not true unfortunately | 21:02 |
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| ShadowJK | Yeah, mplayer with nvidia's vdpau in linux plays practically all formats of h264 | 21:02 |
| RST38h | konttori: you would be surprised to see what goes around in our communal net | 21:02 |
| * konttori_ has no idea what goes on in there | 21:02 | |
| * RST38h especially hates Matroska | 21:02 | |
| konttori_ | and has only a few times cursed that his 360 does not support mkv | 21:03 |
| RST38h | Whoever came up with this crappy container format has to be crucified | 21:03 |
| ShadowJK | matroska isn't a codec | 21:03 |
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| RST38h | Shadow: Who cares? You still need to decode it during playback | 21:03 |
| konttori_ | but, mkv internally usually has h264 of mp4 | 21:03 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah what konttori says | 21:03 |
| konttori_ | RST38h: you don't need to decode mkv. | 21:03 |
| ShadowJK | Well you do, but the overhead is minimal | 21:03 |
| RST38h | konttori: I do, in order to get to formats it encapsulates | 21:03 |
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| konttori_ | you just need to look at which point the actual stream starts and then you send that to the decoder. | 21:04 |
| RST38h | Shadow: That is what you say. Unfortunately, the "matroska splitter" drops dframes like crazy and crashes when I try to rewind | 21:04 |
| RST38h | + there are "open source" people encoding their audio (and sometimes video) with Ogg | 21:05 |
| ShadowJK | Oh yeah, theora is something that probably has no hw decoder | 21:05 |
| RST38h | May hungry penguins feast on their steaming guts... | 21:05 |
| konttori_ | yeah, probably won't have for many years to come | 21:05 |
| ShadowJK | I will temporarily forgive matroska for all its ugly because atleast it isn't ogg | 21:06 |
| RST38h | One is worth another | 21:06 |
| RST38h | And I have not even got to subtitle encodings... | 21:06 |
| RST38h | Anyways, just pointing out that specialized DSP will leave too many bases uncovered | 21:07 |
| konttori_ | mkv is the best container ever | 21:07 |
| konttori_ | (well, probably mpe7 will be better) | 21:07 |
| konttori_ | mpeg7 | 21:07 |
| * RST38h glares at konttori | 21:07 | |
| konttori_ | http://www.chiariglione.org/mpeg/standards/mpeg-7/mpeg-7.htm | 21:08 |
| ShadowJK | I'm not convinced mpeg is able to make a container format that isn't so complex and comittee-designed that every implementation ends up incompatible with every other implementation.. | 21:08 |
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| ShadowJK | like mxf.. | 21:08 |
| RST38h | konttori: [bleah] it is XML [bleah] | 21:08 |
| ShadowJK | mkv is xml ;-) | 21:09 |
| ShadowJK | Kinda. | 21:09 |
| konttori_ | Shadow__X: true! I agree that it's going to be a monster (mpeg7) | 21:09 |
| * RST38h goes to the restroom NOW. | 21:09 | |
| RST38h | They should delegate standards design to Chinese. | 21:10 |
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| ShadowJK | I think mkv is going to be the most "usable" for quite some time forward, until a sufficient amount of people have both been able to obtain, and able to agree on how to read the upcoming mpeg7 spec, and agreed on a common subset of useful things, because the whole thing is probably going to be too monstrous, kinda like the whole of mpeg4 being too monstrous for anyone to ever have implemented all of it (3D facial textures anyone?) | 21:10 |
| RST38h | Who will actually come up with a practical standard they (and everybody else) can use | 21:10 |
| RST38h | Shadow: MKV is supported by exactly 1 (one) piece of software and even that support is crashy | 21:11 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, Oh yeah, that's another thing that any mainstream DSP/GPU wont do in hardware, CAVC (Chinese AVC, codec developed with more focus on CPU friendlieness than h264) | 21:11 |
| RST38h | See? | 21:11 |
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| RST38h | Actually, Theora can be classified the same | 21:12 |
| ShadowJK | You know, MPlayer contains two different implementations of matroska... It used to have 3, but support for using the official libmatroska was removed at some point :) | 21:12 |
| ShadowJK | It's interesting to note that Nvidia's VDPAU GPU-decode acceleration doesn't seem to support mpeg4 ASP.. | 21:14 |
| ShadowJK | VIA's GPUs do support that iirc | 21:14 |
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| RST38h | Shadow: I have no bile left to spew, please stop! =) | 21:18 |
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| ShadowJK | RST38h, mpeg7 will probably include java and silverlight | 21:22 |
| RST38h | aaaaaaaaaaaaaa | 21:22 |
| RST38h | And they will use XSL as splitter? | 21:23 |
| ShadowJK | There will be 9-level deep wrapping in the form of <data format="MS PROPRIETARY" encoding="BASE64">ABADASDKJNFEWE</data> | 21:25 |
| RST38h | yes, that is what I expected | 21:26 |
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| lbt | and the docs will say "see implementation for spec" | 21:26 |
| RST38h | The video stream will be encoded in ASCII MIME and formatted to 65 characters per line | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | tank-man, OS2007 and OS2008 are not API compatible. | 21:26 |
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| RST38h | with XML tags around it for neatness | 21:27 |
| * ShadowJK is guessing N900 will have hw-accelerated h263, h264, mpeg4, wmv, mp3, aac | 21:27 | |
| * ShadowJK wouldn't be surprised if it has bluecore7 :D | 21:27 | |
| RST38h | Shadow: who cares? better tell if it will have a dpad | 21:27 |
| lbt | ShadowJK: congrats - you won a prize! | 21:27 |
| Pavlov | heh | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, audio wont be accelerated. | 21:27 |
| ShadowJK | oh :-( | 21:27 |
| lbt | clangers | 21:27 |
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| RST38h | Gan: Ummm, why? | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | The DSP is doing video acceleration. | 21:28 |
| ShadowJK | It can't do two things at once? | 21:28 |
| * lbt wants accelerated audio... soup dragon effect.... | 21:28 | |
| GeneralAntilles | The CPU handles audio, the DSP handles video. | 21:28 |
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| ShadowJK | aw, now how am I going to decode those juicy 1080p h264 with 8 channel flac | 21:29 |
| Pavlov | ahhah. | 21:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | D1 is about the limit for h.264 with the DSP | 21:29 |
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| RST38h | Shadow: Get a ULV ia32 | 21:29 |
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| RST38h | Shadow: the mobile version with the huge cache | 21:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I wonder what the potential powersaving might be decoding audio dsp-side when you're not dealing with any video. | 21:44 |
| Pavlov | probably pretty good | 21:44 |
| Pavlov | doing audio on the cpu is going to be expensive even if its only using 10% | 21:45 |
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| ShadowJK | heh, compare mplayer vs default player on N8x0? | 21:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it more expensive than keeping the CPU on to feed the DSP, though? | 21:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, OMAP3's powersaving architecture is a lot different from OMAP2's. | 21:47 |
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| zakkm | lcukx41: nobody has a real TI-83, well none i showed they use the non-graphing one. and the guy thought it was cool, still prefered his ipod though | 22:02 |
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| t3chb0t | . | 22:34 |
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| lakin | So, I have a program compiling and running in the scratchbox. Now I want to try it out on the device itself. I had hoped that if I compiled for the ARMEL target that I could just copy the files over and run them, but no such luck. Any tutorials on this part of the process? | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | that is usually the way to do it - library dependancy maybe? | 23:00 |
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| lcuk | lakin, what error is it coming up with when you copy it over | 23:02 |
| lakin | lcuk: ha! Got it. couldn't chmod the excutable on the drive where I put it, switch it's location and it's working | 23:03 |
| lakin | thanks | 23:03 |
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| * RST38h FOUND A BUG! | 23:33 | |
| RST38h | In SMLAL! | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | smlal? :P | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | .. better not be anything to deal with Standard ML | 23:34 |
| ssvb | Stskeeps: it's ARM instruction | 23:36 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 23:36 |
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| ssvb | RST38h: a bug in emulator or in silicon or in documentation? | 23:36 |
| RST38h | emlator, fortunately | 23:37 |
| RST38h | Silicon would be WAY more expensive to fix :) | 23:37 |
| ssvb | sure | 23:38 |
| RST38h | Having said that, the bug came down to two characters in 2000+ lines of assembly, so it was almost as bad as silicon | 23:38 |
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