| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: ah, i think he was maybe trying to figure out how on earth the organization is put together | 00:00 |
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| zakkm | how much paid people are there? | 00:00 |
| zakkm | me? no i just wanted to know if there was some major news announced | 00:00 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: What gives you that impression - I think the word "boss" popped more than once. | 00:00 |
| jeremiah_ | zakkm: Sorry to disappoint you, just politics. :) | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_, well, the paid staff aren't on synchronized contracts themselves, so I don't see how that's possible. | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do we have a log that I could look at? | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: (i don't have a particular opinion about this though) - i read it as exploring how council relates to the employees | 00:01 |
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| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: Trivially easy. You just start the paid staff on a six month contract at the same time as the council | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's this about changing horses midstream? | 00:02 |
| jeremiah_ | Do we have a log somewhere? I didn't save one. | 00:03 |
| jeremiah_ | I know that there is a log of #maemo somewhere. | 00:03 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/log.meeting | 00:03 |
| jeremiah_ | Thanks Stskeeps | 00:03 |
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| zakkm | qole is council? | 00:04 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: i'm curious if the general rule is that employees of maemo.org are directed by maemo.org or how it goes - the thing about making a position up for renewal each 6 months is weird though, that's up to contract :P | 00:05 |
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| Stskeeps | err.. directed by maemo.org council | 00:05 |
| zakkm | just oddly curious.. how much roughly would a maemo.org council member make? | 00:05 |
| Stskeeps | 0$? :P | 00:06 |
| zakkm | volunteered? | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | elected | 00:06 |
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| jeremiah_ | <I'm still unclear about the council's role in "policing" the paid maemo.org team. To what extent are we the team's "bosses"? | 00:06 |
| zakkm | but no pay at all / no benefits? | 00:06 |
| jeremiah_ | ^^ That particularly rubs my fur the wrong way. | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: it's a valid question as i don't think it's directly defined | 00:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zakkm: the warm feeling that you're doing good for the community. | 00:07 |
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| jeremiah_ | In open source communities, police and bosses are frowned upon. | 00:07 |
| zakkm | are you guys council members? | 00:07 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: obviously - but in a hypothetical situation, that a employee doesn't do what he's paid to do, who decides that the guy should be fired? | 00:08 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: i'm not | 00:09 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: it's always difficult to mix open source projects and money :) | 00:10 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: I strongly agree with you. | 00:10 |
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| jeremiah_ | And I praise Nokia for doing such a good job. | 00:10 |
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| jeremiah_ | zakkm: I am not a council member, but GeneralAntilles is. | 00:11 |
| zakkm | kool | 00:11 |
| zakkm | didnt realize the maemo project was so big | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | in my own personal and unfounded view, i see maemo.org employees as the executing part of the community, - they get paid to get the community things done, based on the role their contract states | 00:12 |
| zakkm | curiousity, if i were to want a reasonable app "ported" , is there someones job to do it just by me requesting? | 00:13 |
| Stskeeps | and i guess council is a way to make sure that role is 1) possible 2) has a person in it that does that job 3) help develop the role based on community decisions | 00:13 |
| Stskeeps | when there's wage involved you don't get around that someone pays the bills / gives you work to do :P | 00:14 |
| zakkm | seems like an awesome job | 00:14 |
| Stskeeps | i'd love a maemo.org job. :P | 00:14 |
| Stskeeps | (if i was without work atm) | 00:14 |
| zakkm | you guys are online so much, i wonder if you work ;p | 00:15 |
| lcuk | zakkm, some people play warcraft in their spare time :) | 00:15 |
| lcuk | others play maemo :) | 00:15 |
| zakkm | im aware, i just find it unique that everytime im on here, everyone else seems to be | 00:16 |
| lcuk | the internet never sleeps | 00:16 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: You do a hell of a job with mer. | 00:16 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: You should definitely have a maemo job at some point. | 00:16 |
| zakkm | i 2nd that | 00:16 |
| Stskeeps | hehe. but that's side tracking the current conversation :) | 00:17 |
| wazd | Maemo should hire 1/2 of the Community :P | 00:17 |
| zakkm | maemo should switch to mer | 00:17 |
| zakkm | ;p | 00:17 |
| wazd | Cause I was really surprised with such bright minds within community | 00:17 |
| zakkm | the maemo project should end, and all development should go towards mer | 00:18 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 00:18 |
| wazd | zakkm: nowai | 00:18 |
| Stskeeps | i don't agree on that point, zakkm | 00:18 |
| zakkm | arent you stuck by alot of things, avaliable to mer? | 00:18 |
| jeremiah_ | wazd: I agree, there are some really smart people here | 00:18 |
| zakkm | what if that became open to mer | 00:18 |
| wazd | zakkm: the great part bout Mer that it's driven by people, not transgallactic ubercompany :) | 00:18 |
| Stskeeps | fact is, maemo has the focus of a throughout tested consumer OS, and to develop a company's agenda - but they play nice and open source 80% of it | 00:19 |
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| Stskeeps | without those 80%, mer wouldn't be viable | 00:19 |
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| zakkm | yeah what if 100% was opensource.. which would happen with that switch | 00:19 |
| jeremiah_ | It is a delicate line to walk, commercial open source. | 00:19 |
| zakkm | wouldnt it accelerate progress? | 00:19 |
| jeremiah_ | zakkm: There are some binary blobs they do not want their competition to look at. | 00:20 |
| Stskeeps | then some chinese manufactorer would clone the tablets and drive nokia out of the market with cheap crap? :P | 00:20 |
| zakkm | oh | 00:20 |
| zakkm | right | 00:20 |
| * zakkm hits self | 00:20 | |
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| wazd | damn, fresh vista is uber cool | 00:20 |
| zakkm | vista? | 00:20 |
| Stskeeps | i understand nokia's 80-20% agenda and why it is so :) | 00:20 |
| zakkm | no win7? | 00:20 |
| jeremiah_ | fresh vista? | 00:20 |
| wazd | I almost forgot how cool it could be :) | 00:20 |
| jeremiah_ | ewww, Microsoft. | 00:21 |
| wazd | jeremiah_: fresh install I mean | 00:21 |
| zakkm | wooo Mac OSX | 00:21 |
| zakkm | woo mer * wants to get on stskeeps good side ;p * | 00:21 |
| jeremiah_ | w00t, debian FTW | 00:21 |
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| wazd | I can install any OS I want but i'm with Vista :) | 00:22 |
| Macer | sorry Stskeeps can't make it today but i'm off tomorrow. i will go once the po opens | 00:22 |
| zakkm | wazd: dont like osx? | 00:22 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: k | 00:22 |
| wazd | zakkm: no | 00:22 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: We can talk about some of this stuff later. I would like to chew your ear off about it a bit. | 00:22 |
| wazd | zakkm: why should I like it?) | 00:23 |
| jeremiah_ | Maybe in K'bhavn | 00:23 |
| zakkm | visual/ usability aspect? | 00:23 |
| jeremiah_ | Oh, lack of viruses perhaps? | 00:23 |
| wazd | zakkm: no usability or visual pro's against vista for me | 00:23 |
| zakkm | who cares of that part | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: i'm sure we'll have a beer over something in cph :) | 00:23 |
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| zakkm | you guys all know eachother in person? | 00:24 |
| wazd | zakkm: I'm very casual user, so I don't need much | 00:24 |
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| * lcuk had the misfortune to work with vista today | 00:24 | |
| jeremiah_ | Excellent. Talk to you later, it is almost midnight here in sverige. | 00:24 |
| Jaffa | zakkm: some of us met at the Maemo Summit 2008 in Berlin | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: i've never met a single person from here | 00:24 |
| * lcuk washed his hands afterwards | 00:24 | |
| zakkm | wazd : thats why mac is for you :D | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | (.. i think) | 00:24 |
| jeremiah_ | lcuk: <- a man after my own heart. | 00:24 |
| zakkm | wow, how do you guys afford it? | 00:24 |
| zakkm | going to berlin for a summit | 00:24 |
| jeremiah_ | work? | 00:24 |
| lcuk | jeremiah_, but i use XP every day - its my most comfortable mousing wm ;) | 00:24 |
| zakkm | make enough? | 00:25 |
| jeremiah_ | lcuk: ewwww, XP. | 00:25 |
| Jaffa | zakkm: Nokia sponsored some people; some of us live in Europe | 00:25 |
| jeremiah_ | zakkm: Are you a student? | 00:25 |
| zakkm | Grade 12 High School. | 00:25 |
| * Jaffa didn't take sponsored travel since it was so cheap to just get on a train | 00:25 | |
| zakkm | 18 years old | 00:25 |
| lcuk | and plane and hike and cycle and hitchhike | 00:25 |
| jeremiah_ | zakkm: Well, you will one day have a job and be flying to conferences too. | 00:25 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: ta for the log, I'll use it to do some of the drudge work of priming the sprint tasks | 00:26 |
| jeremiah_ | zakkm: You are off to a good start, if you hangout here. :) | 00:26 |
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| zakkm | haha | 00:26 |
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| Stskeeps | zakkm: heh, i got a hong kong trip to go to a conference and present a paper, for work | 00:26 |
| Stskeeps | that was neat | 00:26 |
| zakkm | wow | 00:26 |
| * lcuk has only ever been to 2 conferences | 00:26 | |
| zakkm | im so far going into real estate agent'ing i know that much. well thinking highly of it | 00:26 |
| jeremiah_ | Software development is just one junket after the next. | 00:26 |
| lcuk | both of them nokia berlin :) | 00:26 |
| zakkm | i been to a microsoft technet "keynote" if that counts? :D | 00:26 |
| Jaffa | jeremiah_: qole is still unsure of the role of the council and is primarily still exploring it, its relationship to the maemo.org staff/the community and Nokia (and of course the overlap therein) | 00:27 |
| zakkm | Vista Beta 2 :P | 00:27 |
| zakkm | but i live in Toronto, Canada.. and it was here so it wasnt much | 00:27 |
| * lcuk smiles | 00:27 | |
| jeremiah_ | Jaffa: There is lots to define there. | 00:27 |
| zakkm | is tech hard for you guys? like college/ getting a job and such | 00:27 |
| Jaffa | jeremiah_: But Stskeeps makes a good point - in some future circumstance it may be up to the council (after feedback from the community) to go to Nokia and suggest that employee #42 is causing concern. | 00:28 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: after 6 years of comp.sci i'm not entirely sure i like computers as much as i did when i was 10. | 00:28 |
| jeremiah_ | Jaffa: That is a two way street, Nokia might like to do the same. | 00:28 |
| * Jaffa *hates* computers - it's just a shame there's nothing I'm better at to occupy my time. | 00:28 | |
| lcuk | theres a delicate ifne line here - the council needs to actively work to support and communicate - not just with nokia - but the outside world - as practically a fulltime job. the face of the maemo community. however as a fulltime job no1 is willing to give it up for a 6 month tenure. | 00:28 |
| jeremiah_ | Jaffa: And the council may present a problem as well. | 00:28 |
| Jaffa | jeremiah_: Indeed on both counts | 00:29 |
| jeremiah_ | So we all need, as a community, a clear set of roles and responsibilities so there is transparency and accountability | 00:29 |
| * zakkm didnt like computers at 10. | 00:29 | |
| jeremiah_ | But, and this is where things got off the rails today, | 00:29 |
| Jaffa | jeremiah_: Nokia can always ignore the council. And Nokia are perfectly capable of no longer funding a role if they aren't convinced of the benefits | 00:29 |
| jeremiah_ | Jaffa: True. | 00:30 |
| jeremiah_ | That might poison the community though. | 00:30 |
| jeremiah_ | Maybe not. | 00:30 |
| Jaffa | Oh, indeed :) | 00:30 |
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| Jaffa | Which is why it's best left somewhat vague - but with some guidelines - so each individual circumstance can be dealt with (IMHO) | 00:30 |
| zakkm | just curious, did they stop doing diablo updates? if fremantle is only for the new tablet, whyd they stop diablo updates? havent seen one since i bought my n800 | 00:30 |
| jeremiah_ | I think the call for who is boss of whom is better left until after we have defined the roles and duties, not before. | 00:31 |
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| jeremiah_ | And perhaps all that should have happened is that words like "policing" and "boss" not have been used | 00:31 |
| jeremiah_ | and I would not have taken offence | 00:31 |
| zakkm | might happen at the next summit :D | 00:31 |
| jeremiah_ | but I am a free software / community zealot and one of the things I like is not having a boss | 00:31 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, exactly the same feeling here :) | 00:32 |
| jeremiah_ | I like to think we work together here. | 00:32 |
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| jeremiah_ | going to bed now | 00:33 |
| Stskeeps | nini jeremiah_ | 00:33 |
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| zakkm | night meremiah_ | 00:34 |
| lcuk | gnite jeremiah_ | 00:34 |
| zakkm | jeremiah_* sorry | 00:34 |
| lcuk | lol | 00:34 |
| zakkm | long day at school, half asleep | 00:35 |
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| Stskeeps | right, my tablet is at brink of disaster | 00:35 |
| VDVsx | gnite jeremiah_ | 00:35 |
| Stskeeps | it is not not properly in sync even where it was in sync before | 00:35 |
| * VDVsx just installed a ruindows VM in order to develop for the f%c$ing Symbian plataform :( | 00:35 | |
| Stskeeps | not=now | 00:35 |
| zakkm | VDVsx: on osx originally? | 00:36 |
| VDVsx | zakkm, nah, Linux | 00:36 |
| zakkm | DE/WM? | 00:36 |
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| Myrtti | wwhhheeeeeaaaahhhh | 00:41 |
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| Stskeeps | morning Myrtti | 00:44 |
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| wazd | Myrtti's having morning now?) Oh-my, oh-my :) | 00:48 |
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| wazd | k, time to get some sleep, c ya, world :) | 00:50 |
| Stskeeps | cya wazd | 00:50 |
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| Macer | i need to make a logo for my zimbra server | 00:53 |
| Macer | have to love gimp :) | 00:55 |
| RST38h | "It functions as a normal radio until input is added via the keypad. It seems that if a year is entered into the keypad, the radio will receive transmissions from the era (depending on if messages were being broadcast on the set frequency)" | 00:56 |
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| lardman | evening all | 01:03 |
| lcuk | \o | 01:03 |
| befr0d | hi | 01:04 |
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| lardman | am I right in thinking that I've managed to miss the GSoC review stuff? | 01:05 |
| lardman | not on purpose I hasten to add | 01:06 |
| VDVsx | lardman, you still have some time :) | 01:07 |
| lcuk | simon are you a mentor | 01:08 |
| lardman | lol, how long? | 01:08 |
| lardman | lcuk: yes, I foolishly volunteered | 01:08 |
| lcuk | not foolishly :) you have positive experience | 01:08 |
| Stskeeps | wtf? date and time controlpanel refuses to let me set time to 00:something | 01:08 |
| VDVsx | lardman, until next weekend | 01:09 |
| lcuk | 12 | 01:09 |
| lardman | foolish as I've got lots on though | 01:09 |
| lcuk | am/pm only remember | 01:09 |
| lcuk | no 24hr | 01:09 |
| lardman | VDVsx: ok, I should get a chance to look before then | 01:09 |
| lcuk | you shouldnt be alone | 01:09 |
| VDVsx | we will know the primary slot number around friday, so we have to assigned mentor to the proposal that we will host before monday | 01:11 |
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| lardman | np, I thought the deadline was yesterday or thereabouts, I want to at least be able to take a look and give some criticism if needed beforehand | 01:13 |
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| hellwolf | Is it able to play rmvb file on n810? | 01:13 |
| VDVsx | lardman, at least to the barcode proposals :P | 01:13 |
| lardman | yeah ;) | 01:13 |
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| * lardman laughs at lyrics of latest Lily Allen song | 01:15 | |
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| tds5016 | I've got an n810, but this still seems like it will work... | 01:16 |
| tds5016 | can someone PLEASE help me get the damned sdp file right? | 01:17 |
| tds5016 | haha. | 01:17 |
| tds5016 | http://web.media.mit.edu/~lifton/snippets/n800_to_sl/ | 01:17 |
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| lardman | might be better to email that chap directly, not sure many people here will know how | 01:18 |
| lcuk | "Only the owner of a parcel of land in Second Life can determine if media can be streamed to the land and which URLs they are streamed from." | 01:19 |
| lcuk | i gather you have checked that aspect of it out | 01:19 |
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| zakkm | heh | 01:22 |
| zakkm | SL ? :p | 01:22 |
| zakkm | you guys play | 01:23 |
| lcuk | not at all | 01:23 |
| lcuk | full of furries and flying penises | 01:23 |
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| GAN8001 | lcuk is a flying penis | 01:24 |
| lardman | play, surely that verb would offend a true "second lifer"?! ;) | 01:24 |
| tds5016 | lcuk: I'm not trying to send it to second life. | 01:24 |
| tds5016 | hahaha! | 01:24 |
| lardman | hey GAN8001 | 01:24 |
| zakkm | i remember second life in the office | 01:24 |
| tds5016 | I'm trying to stream from darwin streaming server. | 01:24 |
| zakkm | where each of them make a character that looks like them | 01:24 |
| GAN8001 | Hi, lardman. | 01:24 |
| lardman | I only really remember Doom3 | 01:24 |
| tds5016 | I have no IDEA what in the hell to put for some of this stuff in the sdp file. | 01:24 |
| tds5016 | haha. | 01:25 |
| lardman | my office must be far more destructive :) | 01:25 |
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| lcuk | tds5016, so let me get this straight, you want to recv data from some server out there on the internet and display on your tablet? | 01:25 |
| tds5016 | no, other way around. | 01:26 |
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| lcuk | and you are looking at a site to upload a live stream from your tablet to some furry infested game | 01:26 |
| tds5016 | I believe I'm correctly sending an rtp stream to the server. | 01:26 |
| zakkm | hahhh | 01:26 |
| tds5016 | I want to be able to view what is being captured by the n810 | 01:26 |
| zakkm | lcuk: lol | 01:26 |
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| tds5016 | lcuk: no.... I don't want second life to be apart of this at all... | 01:26 |
| tds5016 | haha. | 01:26 |
| tds5016 | I want to be able to view the video on n number of client machines. | 01:27 |
| tds5016 | and then archive the video once the stream is complete. | 01:27 |
| zakkm | vlc streaming might work? | 01:27 |
| lcuk | tds5016, you say you are correctly sending out the stream | 01:27 |
| tds5016 | lcuk: as far as I can tell. | 01:27 |
| lcuk | doesnt that mean you then have to sit at the other end and work out why its not recving furry photos | 01:28 |
| zakkm | vlc has native maemo support doesn it? like they came out with a official maemo port | 01:28 |
| tds5016 | lcuk: I can't get the stream to be read on the other end, because I can't get the gstreamer pipline to read it correct. | 01:28 |
| fireun | tds5016: still havnt worked it out, eh? | 01:28 |
| tds5016 | fireun: nope. getting semi-frustrated at this point. haha. | 01:28 |
| tds5016 | lcuk: do you think you can help? | 01:29 |
| tds5016 | PS this isn't going to second life... | 01:29 |
| tds5016 | haha. | 01:29 |
| zakkm | so where did secondlife come from? | 01:30 |
| tds5016 | the tutorial is the only thing that deal with second life. | 01:30 |
| tds5016 | the fact that it has an sdp file up is also something to do iwth it. | 01:30 |
| tds5016 | the infrastructure is more or less the same as well, I do believe. | 01:30 |
| tds5016 | I'm sending an rtp stream to the darwin streaming server. | 01:31 |
| lcuk | incase you think im joking by the way http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=30420&in_page_id=34 | 01:31 |
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| lcuk | tds5016, ive seen the streaming done only with gtalk | 01:31 |
| lcuk | ive heard its possible but cannot actually help | 01:31 |
| tds5016 | darwin streaming server should be able to use the sdp to read the stream. | 01:32 |
| lardman | lcuk: lol | 01:32 |
| tds5016 | this project is actually going to be used for emergency events... nothing to do with that... so we can not talk about furries... | 01:32 |
| tds5016 | haha, | 01:32 |
| Macer | well.. let's see if this crap works :) | 01:32 |
| zakkm | heh | 01:32 |
| zakkm | wait wait wait | 01:33 |
| zakkm | emergency events, and your relying on a n800/810 camera? | 01:33 |
| lardman | ah, that youtube link doesn't work :( | 01:33 |
| zakkm | im sure if you played, it wouldnt be hard to see it for real ;p | 01:34 |
| * lardman is afraid of going to YouTube site and searching for "Pink penis attack" | 01:34 | |
| lardman | :D | 01:34 |
| tds5016 | zakkm: as of now it's a a proof of concept. | 01:34 |
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| zakkm | pointless though, cause i dont see what you gain if it does work | 01:34 |
| zakkm | maybe its just me | 01:34 |
| lcuk | tds5016, http://snippets.dzone.com/posts/show/6193 | 01:35 |
| mavhc | secondlife is full of weird sex the same way irc is full of paedophiles, ie only on tv | 01:35 |
| lcuk | that looks promising | 01:35 |
| zakkm | ah the good game of starcraft | 01:35 |
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| zakkm | ive been in the same game for over 2 hours | 01:35 |
| tds5016 | zakkm: as of now it's being used for research. | 01:35 |
| tds5016 | it's a pretty complex project.... maemo was the easiest to develop for. | 01:35 |
| zakkm | wooh vlc :) | 01:35 |
| zakkm | but the camera is crap | 01:36 |
| zakkm | no offense | 01:36 |
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| lcuk | camera is a sensor. you learn to adapt and you do the best you can :) | 01:36 |
| zakkm | i guess you can do mer x86 . .and use a normal webcam perhaps but still | 01:36 |
| lcuk | just like if you are born with one very snowy eye | 01:36 |
| tds5016 | lcuk: thanks. What would the sdp file look like for that? | 01:36 |
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| zakkm | yeah but for emergency situations, relying on the n800/810 camera.. would you do that lcuk? | 01:37 |
| lcuk | i dunno i have never setup gstreamer like that before and dont have linux desktop to play on or anything | 01:37 |
| lcuk | if its an emergency id prefer something than nothing | 01:37 |
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| zakkm | i mean the tablet is good, video chat is nice , it serves its purpose.. but past tabelt stuff i dont see it as good | 01:37 |
| tds5016 | this isn't in the field.... this is for original development, and for an understanding of how to design a device like it to be functional. | 01:37 |
| tds5016 | it's being set up as part of a testing platform :-) | 01:37 |
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| tds5016 | lcuk: if that works, I'm gonign to nut myself. thanks lcuk | 01:39 |
| lcuk | good luck with your project | 01:39 |
| tds5016 | thanks! | 01:40 |
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| lcuk | mental note: do not search google for flying penis attack whilst logged in again | 01:48 |
| Macer | hm | 01:49 |
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| lardman | lol | 01:51 |
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| Macer | well | 02:07 |
| Macer | i hope this zimbra hackery works | 02:07 |
| Macer | heh.. then i'll be just about done | 02:07 |
| Macer | so far i was able to change the log for the login.. i need to figure out how to change a few more things | 02:10 |
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| lfelipe | lcuk: the kasparov video ? | 02:20 |
| tds5016 | http://snippets.dzone.com/posts/show/6193 that is not working... does anyone have any ideas as to why that wouldn't work on an n810? | 02:21 |
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| tds5016 | what sucks is that I know if I don't use h263, and I use h264 this works like a charm. | 02:22 |
| tds5016 | there doesn't appear to be anything for h264 on the gstreamer port to maemo | 02:22 |
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| Robot101 | tds5016: there's only a decoder for h264, not an encoder | 02:25 |
| tds5016 | Robot101: on maemo; I know... that's why I'm using h263. | 02:26 |
| Robot101 | tds5016: there's not enough CPU power to encode h264 | 02:26 |
| tds5016 | it's soooo frustrating that htat doesn't work. | 02:26 |
| Robot101 | oh, right | 02:26 |
| Robot101 | why not use the video call app? :) | 02:26 |
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| tds5016 | is there aynone else with an n810? | 02:26 |
| tds5016 | Robot101: I'm doing a bit more with the stream other than just streaming. | 02:26 |
| tds5016 | haha. | 02:26 |
| Robot101 | the N810 / N800 hw is very, very similar. its probably a software defect rather than anything to do with the hardware | 02:26 |
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| Robot101 | (like, we developed all of the N810 software on N800s) | 02:27 |
| tds5016 | huh? | 02:27 |
| tds5016 | oh, gotchya. | 02:27 |
| zakkm | the n800/810 are very weak | 02:27 |
| tds5016 | are you able to get streaming working with that? | 02:27 |
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| Robot101 | well, using our software, yes. never tried to do it with gst-launch. | 02:28 |
| Robot101 | anyway, gotta sleep | 02:28 |
| Robot101 | good luck | 02:28 |
| tds5016 | heh, it'll eventually be wrapped in python. | 02:28 |
| Robot101 | you can drive telepathy from python too | 02:28 |
| Robot101 | see call.py in telepathy-python/examples | 02:29 |
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| tds5016 | Robot101: I need to be able to archive the files. | 02:29 |
| tds5016 | as well as stream them. | 02:29 |
| Robot101 | archive them on the N810? | 02:29 |
| tds5016 | no. on the server. | 02:29 |
| tds5016 | that they're being sent to. | 02:30 |
| Robot101 | so just put something together using telepathy-farsight which tees the output to a file | 02:30 |
| wjt | Robot101: tpfs notably not in diablo | 02:30 |
| tds5016 | no, I mean I need to archive the file on the server, not locally. | 02:31 |
| Robot101 | wjt: yes, the server also not running diablo. | 02:31 |
| Robot101 | http://git.collabora.co.uk/?p=user/sjoerd/telepathy-python.git;a=blob;f=examples/call.py;h=b09762be34d571a8849a845d612bf75909cd03c3;hb=refs/heads/tpfs | 02:31 |
| wjt | Robot101: a fair point, well made. | 02:31 |
| Robot101 | you can receive/place a call with that using telepathy, and the client built in to the N810 | 02:31 |
| * wjt goes to see the captain. | 02:32 | |
| Robot101 | anyway, I am sleeping now too :) | 02:32 |
| tds5016 | I'd really prefer to just be able to have this thing streamed with straight gstreamer :-( | 02:32 |
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| lardman | night all | 02:37 |
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| Macer | well... just slapped some logos together but i suppose they will do until i can come up with something better :) | 04:35 |
| Macer | at least i don't have a giant damn "ZIMBRA" login screen and have it plastered all over the place | 04:35 |
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| romeus1 | hello | 05:52 |
| romeus1 | I was using the terminal via ssh, I was wondering if there's anyway to recover that session without screen? | 05:53 |
| fireun | connection drops = no more session | 05:54 |
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| romeus1 | thanks | 06:00 |
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| johnx | hallo | 06:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hey, johnx. | 06:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Welcome back to the land of the dead. | 06:22 |
| johnx | hey GeneralAntilles. Good to be here :) | 06:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is your life all streamlined now, or are you just taking a 5 minute break before diving back in? | 06:23 |
| johnx | my life is on pause right now :) | 06:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | I need one of those. | 06:23 |
| johnx | heh...pause means no income :P | 06:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 06:24 |
| johnx | I need to find the unpause key, like fast | 06:24 |
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| johnx | after that my life will briefly be hectic again then it should really settle back into a normaslish routine | 06:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'll be back to schedule drift in no time flat. ;) | 06:25 |
| johnx | heh...hopefully I'll land in a 9-5 job this time or at least something with a fixed schedule | 06:26 |
| johnx | should help to anchor things a little bit | 06:26 |
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| johnx | hey qwerty12_N800 :) | 06:27 |
| Macer | i love snatch :) | 06:29 |
| Macer | especially when the thieves are on the elevator.. the conversation cracks me up | 06:29 |
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| Macer | they are supposed to be orthodox jews and they are saying shit like "Just because it is written doesn't make it true." | 06:30 |
| Macer | "It's not important whether it's fact or fiction.. people just want to belive." haha | 06:30 |
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| RST38h | moo, johnx, all | 08:31 |
| RST38h | johnx: How are things? | 08:31 |
| johnx | m00f | 08:31 |
| johnx | a little slow. catching some rest and getting back into a western mindset, job hunting | 08:32 |
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| StsN800 | lo johnx | 08:33 |
| RST38h | heh | 08:33 |
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| StsN800 | johnx, good to see you relocated safely:) | 08:37 |
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| johnx | heh...or some semblance of relocated | 08:50 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | hey johnx! :) | 08:52 |
| johnx | :D | 08:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | had any culture shock or is it still all the same? :) | 08:54 |
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| johnx | qwerty12_N800, just a little bit. I need to keep reminding myself to speak English. Also, the wide open spaces sometimes completely blow my mind | 09:16 |
| RST38h | hehe | 09:17 |
| * RST38h remembers how wide and deserted Moscow looked after Taipei | 09:17 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 09:17 |
| johnx | yeah, and stores...the aisles are like this wide *holds up hands* and there is no. one. there. really weird... | 09:18 |
| x29a | where are you? | 09:18 |
| johnx | now? Seattle area | 09:18 |
| RST38h | johnx: actually, visiting US few weeks ago also felt weird | 09:19 |
| RST38h | For a few days, anyway | 09:19 |
| johnx | really? what kind of stuff was weird? | 09:19 |
| RST38h | johnx: No pedestrians. | 09:19 |
| johnx | ah, yeah | 09:20 |
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| johnx | I'm just stoked their actually going to put a more serious commuter train line in this area soonish. I'm actually kind of interested in getting a place by the train station...I'd be more excited except it looks like the train won't actually go anywhere I care about for another 3 years :/ | 09:22 |
| RST38h | Get yourself some terminally cute Japanese nanocar | 09:22 |
| RST38h | Nissan Micra is not available in the states but there is Toyota Echo and Honda Fit now :) | 09:22 |
| johnx | train + drinking = hilarity. car + drinking = jailarity | 09:22 |
| johnx | the fit and echo aren't micro cars :P | 09:23 |
| RST38h | Ah, just stop drinking :) | 09:23 |
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| RST38h | johnx: By US standards they are :) | 09:23 |
| johnx | I actually want a yellow license plate truck for hauling stuff | 09:23 |
| RST38h | Not much money to be made there... | 09:24 |
| johnx | I'm thinking about importing by way of Canada or something | 09:24 |
| RST38h | Heh...Probably not worth it either, as you will hit some tariff or another... | 09:25 |
| * RST38h finally pulls himself out of this chair and goes to work | 09:25 | |
| johnx | eh, won't be for plenty more years at this point | 09:25 |
| RST38h | Ah :) | 09:25 |
| johnx | need to get de-unemployed first | 09:26 |
| thux | software seems to be source of money | 09:26 |
| RST38h | johnx: in case you miss commuting: 15 minutes walking through the park + 10 minutes subway + 40-60 minutes in a dingy bus | 09:26 |
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| johnx | RST38h, nope. I do not miss my commute. my goal is to bike to work for my next job | 09:27 |
| RST38h | johnx: + 10 more minutes in a corporate bus | 09:27 |
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| RST38h | johnx: kinda hard to accomplish but I guess you have to find the job first then | 09:28 |
| johnx | exactly :) | 09:28 |
| RST38h | and look for something nearby | 09:28 |
| RST38h | All right, time to go. | 09:28 |
| johnx | 'later | 09:28 |
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| L0cutus | re | 09:57 |
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| Stskeeps | serial-killer-Myrtti? | 10:07 |
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| ShadowJK | trying to compare n810-gps and sirfstarIII by staring at number scrolling by makes me think there's more to this story than just "it's crap" | 10:15 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm? | 10:16 |
| ShadowJK | for example right now what is the strongest satellite that the n810 can hear is the weakest satellite that sirfstar is picking up | 10:17 |
| RST38h | Shadow: the extra word you are looking for is "utter" | 10:17 |
| ShadowJK | (i've seen the reverse too) | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: eh. it would normally be opposite, wouldn't it? | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | if sirfstar > n810 | 10:17 |
| ShadowJK | Stskeeps, well no, I'd expect that the strongest satellite that sirfstar sees would be the strongest satellite that n810 sees, except that n810 would see it weaker than sirfstar | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 10:18 |
| ShadowJK | if the signal strength numbers are comparable at all | 10:18 |
| x29a | my gpswatch has got a sirfIII and its awesome, especially boot times | 10:18 |
| RST38h | they are not | 10:18 |
| ShadowJK | But say if you compare list of satellites sorted by strength, then the list can be radically different between sirfstar and n810 | 10:19 |
| ShadowJK | like, the order of the satellites | 10:19 |
| RST38h | the strength numbers you see are composites made from several on-chip values | 10:19 |
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| RST38h | highly dependent on the manufacturer | 10:19 |
| ShadowJK | For the past hour of my 10 hour test my N810 has had a better geometric mix of satellites it has been able to track than the sirfstar | 10:20 |
| ShadowJK | And not too uncommon to see it receiving more satellites than sirfstar either, but one thing that's consistent is that there's always atleast one satellite that sirfstar receives, by its own estimate, very strong signal from | 10:21 |
| ShadowJK | while the n810 is reporting more averagish reception | 10:21 |
| RST38h | ti5300 jusr has trouble locking up, tracking is ok | 10:22 |
| RST38h | it is an agps chip after all | 10:23 |
| thux | is n810 gps better than most nokia phones gps? | 10:23 |
| ShadowJK | user experience suggests n810 is the worst in time to first fix | 10:23 |
| thux | many phones got lousy gps | 10:24 |
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| ShadowJK | It doesn't help that the users gover the antennas with their hands too | 10:24 |
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| ShadowJK | Uh, for my next testrun I should posibly also record the longitude/latitude too :) | 10:25 |
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| Pinger | hi, guys. how to use sqlite3 in maemo fremantle? | 10:27 |
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| ShadowJK | http://enivax.net/jk/gps-10hrsatplot.png skymap of satellites and pixel colour according to signal strength over 10 hours. One is N810, one is sirfstar. Guess which is which. Receivers placed about 3 cm from eachother | 10:37 |
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| ShadowJK | Also deducable which direction my window does not face :) | 10:38 |
| `0660 | maemo on left? | 10:39 |
| ShadowJK | N810 on left yeah | 10:39 |
| `0660 | doesn't look too good | 10:39 |
| ShadowJK | It has fewer satellite tracks than sirf, especially in the region shaded by the house... but nearly all of them are solid tracks and on the sirf side many tacks are quite dotted indicating it has lost sats all the time | 10:44 |
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| ShadowJK | Oddly enough sirf seems to have a blind spot for sats that have passed right overhead.. | 10:44 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | morning, Jaffa | 10:48 |
| `0660 | funny that sirf doesn't suffer that badly from shaded regions, but loses sats all the time | 10:48 |
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| ShadowJK | the grey birds might be too weak to be usable anyway | 10:52 |
| * ShadowJK should've also recorded weakest signal strength ever seen from a sat actually used | 10:52 | |
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| Stskeeps | hm, the things i find in boxes here | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | just found a sirfstar usb gps | 10:57 |
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| b0unc3_ | good morning | 11:04 |
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| X-Fade | morning | 11:08 |
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| svu_ | ping alterego | 11:09 |
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| wazd | hello world | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | hello wazd | 11:41 |
| RST38h | hello wazd | 11:42 |
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| RST38h | http://www.detnews.com/article/20090402/METRO08/904020395/To+urban+hunter++next+meal+is+scampering+by | 11:44 |
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| wazd | Jeez, I don't understand some people | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 11:52 |
| wazd | me: Can I take a look at your software in Extras? Him: Who told you that I have software in Extras? Me: Ok, you can just say "I have no software" him: I didn't tell that I don't have it | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 11:53 |
| RST38h | He probably has some software AND hates Extras | 11:53 |
| RST38h | Although this is reallt difficult to parse | 11:54 |
| RST38h | wazd: BTW have you excorsized that n8xx pidgin stuff from your tablet? | 11:55 |
| wazd | RST38h: oh, well, I've typed what you gave to me, it worked but some trash is still in there, I think I got it before( | 11:56 |
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| wazd | RST38h: Pidgin still doesn't work anyway | 11:56 |
| wazd | RST38h: even reinstalled from extras | 11:56 |
| RST38h | weird because plain extras version of pidgin works for me | 11:57 |
| wazd | RST38h: it worked for me too, I've crashed it with that 2.5.5.tar.gz | 11:57 |
| wazd | bbiab | 11:57 |
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| wazd | I wonder why there's still no wide-widescreen displays on the market | 12:02 |
| RST38h | Should there be? They suck for work | 12:02 |
| wazd | like that stuff http://hard.compulenta.ru/upload/iblock/ecb/philips_cinema_420.jpg | 12:02 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, it's better than two separate displays I think | 12:03 |
| RST38h | wazd: true if the vertical resolution or physical size does not suffer | 12:03 |
| RST38h | bt they usually do suffer | 12:04 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, you'll have 2520x1200 for example | 12:05 |
| wazd | RST38h: same vertical resolution as 16:9 but wider | 12:05 |
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| RST38h | what about physical screen height though? | 12:06 |
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| RST38h | Is it the same as my 4:3 screen? =) | 12:06 |
| wazd | RST38h: 16:10/16:9 screens are usualy wider but lower :) | 12:07 |
| wazd | RST38h: human eyesight catches sideview better than top/bottom | 12:08 |
| wazd | RST38h: and it's good for movie playback too :P | 12:08 |
| RST38h | wazd: that is my main complaint though | 12:09 |
| wazd | RST38h: you can turn it into portrait mode to rock :) | 12:09 |
| * RST38h is using those screen for work not for watching movies and even 16:9 screens feel mighty claustrophobic | 12:09 | |
| RST38h | turning it 90o is a good idea but does not work on a laptop :) | 12:10 |
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| wazd | RST38h: ah) | 12:10 |
| lcuk | RST38h, course it does, a super wide widescreen laptop (with touchscreen) would make the ideal tetris game | 12:11 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Lemme show you the ideal tetris game... | 12:12 |
| lcuk | high rise building ? | 12:13 |
| RST38h | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmKgLp6L55c | 12:13 |
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| RST38h | For reference, that is Green Building, MIT | 12:14 |
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| lcuk | lol RST38h ive seen that before | 12:25 |
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| RST38h | Deflector x4 comes with the source code. Any porters? =) | 12:30 |
| RST38h | Alien8 sources are real tiny too: http://retrospec.sgn.net/users/ignacio/downloads/alien8_f.zip | 12:33 |
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| RST38h | So are Deflector sources: http://retrospec.sgn.net/users/ignacio/downloads/deflektor_x4_f.zip | 12:33 |
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| wazd | oh, looks like today is 15 years since .ru zone was deligated :) | 13:08 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:13 |
| woglinde | hi lardman | 13:15 |
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| lardman | hey woglinde | 13:16 |
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| RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/07/jedi_obama/ | 13:31 |
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| anders_gud | Hi Stskeeps! mypaint runs on Mer, but gtk does not return pressure values, any ideas? | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | anders_gud: do you use libxsp or? | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | anders_gud: and i think it's because of the X server | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: prod | 13:56 |
| Myrtti | EEEP! | 13:57 |
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| Myrtti | *squeak* | 13:57 |
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| Stskeeps | Myrtti: curious, did you ever bootstrap localization for a project using launchpad? | 13:58 |
| Myrtti | no, but it shouldn't be a big deal...? | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | k | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | does it offer online editing for translators? | 13:59 |
| Myrtti | yeah, rosetta | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 13:59 |
| * Stskeeps takes a look | 14:00 | |
| Myrtti | https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/gwibber/gwibber.dev/+pots/gwibber/fi/+translate | 14:00 |
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| Stskeeps | oh that's neat | 14:00 |
| Myrtti | I can't be bothered to translate using any other methods myself ;-) | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | starting to get to a point where localization would be a good thing to look into so | 14:02 |
| woglinde | only 5 devs for the danish weekend yet? | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | you should show up ;) | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | 9 on facebook, 11 maybe | 14:03 |
| woglinde | facebook wahaha | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | hehe ;) | 14:03 |
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| * Stskeeps is going for sure. | 14:03 | |
| woglinde | hehe yes | 14:03 |
| woglinde | I think you have the shortest way | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: just worried that it seems like it's one translation set per project, probably was a mistake to set up the project as one big | 14:05 |
| qgil | X-Fade: ping | 14:08 |
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| qgil | wogline, actually 7 registered - http://wiki.maemo.org/Mozilla_Maemo_Danish_Weekend#Who_is_coming | 14:09 |
| qgil | I wanted to ask X-Fade whether the form to request sponsorship is ready since this would help getting the minimum critical mass | 14:10 |
| suihkulokki | regarding meetings, there is a "free thursday" informal free/oss people meeting in helsinki this week: http://free-thursday.pieni.net/ | 14:11 |
| qgil | woglinde & co, actually I was hoping to have a bit more of feedback / comments about this event, the first of its kind and in a very interesting time | 14:11 |
| qgil | (maybe is not very interesting for everybody as it if for me, right) ;) | 14:11 |
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| woglinde | qgil hm I could ask robert if he has an intrest and maybee I had time to come too, to hack a little bit on the java stuff | 14:13 |
| qgil | woglinde: ah, I see where you come from now woglinde :) | 14:14 |
| woglinde | from berlin isnt so far | 14:14 |
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| anders_gud | This script should list pressure enabled devices (it does in Diablo) http://pastebin.com/m4e65ef17 | 14:15 |
| anders_gud | but not in Mer | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | anders_gud: on a n800 or n810? | 14:15 |
| anders_gud | n810 | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | apt-get install xserver-xomap and see if it helps (if you can stand your Mer installation possibly getting wrecked) | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | Hildon Input Method will stop working | 14:16 |
| suihkulokki | I think the tslib input driver in xorg doesn't do pressure (should be quite trivial to fix) | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | might be why as well, thought it was a xsp thing | 14:17 |
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| woglinde | hm 178 euro per train | 14:21 |
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| Stskeeps | 103 eur airberlin | 14:26 |
| woglinde | bothways? | 14:26 |
| lcuk | anders_gud, on diablo pressure information is available from the Xsp library | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | woglinde: yeah, looks like it | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | (total) | 14:26 |
| woglinde | hm let me see | 14:26 |
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| lbt | I thought we didn't have 'pressure' on the N800 | 14:26 |
| lbt | just touch radius | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | 29 -> 31, coming early in the morning 29, 9:55, leaving 21:25 | 14:27 |
| woglinde | stskeep website? | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | airberlin.com | 14:28 |
| * lcuk registered for mozilla | 14:28 | |
| lcuk | lbt, YES you do | 14:28 |
| anders_gud | lcuk, gtk gets it from Xsp? | 14:28 |
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| lcuk | i didnt know gtk had it natively.. | 14:28 |
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| lbt | ISTR looking at the low-level data and using the stylus rather than a finger. The pressure reading didn't go up much at all. Using a finger it went up and down a lot | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | woglinde: their website isn't happy about firefox though, but works in IE (....) | 14:29 |
| lbt | bad memrory? | 14:29 |
| lcuk | lbt, everything went smoothly? | 14:29 |
| lbt | yes thanks - lots of tea and TLC today though | 14:30 |
| lcuk | gtk uses x11 events - x11 gets the information from somewhere (but its not perfect.>) | 14:30 |
| lcuk | good lbt, hopefully she will be back on her feet in no time :) | 14:31 |
| qgil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mozilla_Maemo_Danish_Weekend#Who_is_coming 8 participants... from 8 countries! | 14:31 |
| woglinde | stskeep easyjet its 90.00 | 14:31 |
| qgil | it can't be more international :) | 14:31 |
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| anders_gud | aah! so it's the xserver... then I'll have to wait until it's fixed... | 14:31 |
| woglinde | arrive 29 depart 1.6 | 14:31 |
| lcuk | qgil, better than 8 participants from 9 countries ;) | 14:31 |
| lcuk | anders_gud, x server wont ever return dynamic pressure readings on the normal mouse events | 14:32 |
| lcuk | there is no pressure data available in that event i dont think | 14:32 |
| lbt | IIRC xorg uses tslib | 14:33 |
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| jeremiah_ | heh, that is pretty amazing, 8 people from 8 countries | 14:33 |
| RST38h | would be more amazing with 7 people from 8 countries though | 14:33 |
| lbt | I dug in it for a while whilst failing to make a static tslib for bootmenu | 14:33 |
| anders_gud | pygtk on Mer does not find any touch/pressure devices.. | 14:33 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: heh | 14:34 |
| lcuk | i just said that! | 14:34 |
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| Stskeeps | anders_gud: yeah - might be our X driver, it's not the same as in Maemo so | 14:34 |
| RST38h | lcuk: you used different arguments though =) | 14:34 |
| * suihkulokki loves airlines | 14:34 | |
| lcuk | where in the x11 mouse press/move events is pressure data available to be "fixed" ? | 14:35 |
| lcuk | i think theres an x extension for it | 14:35 |
| lcuk | lol | 14:35 |
| suihkulokki | I switch the hki-cph flight to a cheaper one, and the reservation form increases the price of all return flights :P | 14:35 |
| lcuk | suihkulokki, you are coming from .fi arent you | 14:36 |
| suihkulokki | yes | 14:36 |
| woglinde | lcuck X got tslib modul recently | 14:37 |
| lcuk | organise a bus and do it as a roadtrip | 14:37 |
| woglinde | lcuk *g* | 14:38 |
| lcuk | woglinde, yeah but thats not the specific default normal mouse events is it | 14:38 |
| lcuk | ie the things gtk picks up | 14:38 |
| woglinde | hm sorry dont know | 14:39 |
| svu_ | ping alterego again | 14:39 |
| woglinde | but looking into the source may enlight you | 14:39 |
| lcuk | woglinde, dont worry, i dont care im happy reading pressure data from xsp | 14:39 |
| woglinde | xsp? | 14:40 |
| lcuk | it was anders_gud that was asking about reading pressure from gtk | 14:40 |
| lcuk | touch pressure lib | 14:40 |
| woglinde | hm oh never heard of it yet | 14:40 |
| anders_gud | mypaint reads pressure from gtk... | 14:41 |
| lcuk | from what i understand its a maemoism - it has to be removed beforei build on any other platform | 14:41 |
| lcuk | anders_gud, which bit of the source does it.. | 14:41 |
| anders_gud | pressure = event.get_axis(gdk.AXIS_PRESSURE) | 14:42 |
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| anders_gud | i think... | 14:42 |
| lcuk | what event? | 14:42 |
| anders_gud | but i'm a noob :-) | 14:43 |
| lcuk | oooh it does :D | 14:44 |
| * lcuk learns something new everyday | 14:44 | |
| woglinde | lcuk me too | 14:44 |
| lcuk | ahh you have to add the extension events explicitely or the function returns none | 14:44 |
| lcuk | explains a lot | 14:44 |
| lcuk | lol | 14:44 |
| lbt | sigh : http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qtabletevent.html | 14:45 |
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| lcuk | lol lbt, is there a Qmakemeabrew class or interface or widget | 14:45 |
| lbt | are you reading my ToDo list? | 14:46 |
| lbt | (recent request from Denise) | 14:46 |
| lcuk | and to counter that i could give oyu the same class from .net :P | 14:46 |
| lbt | and it runs on the N8x0? | 14:46 |
| lbt | cool | 14:46 |
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| lcuk | mono does doesnt it.. | 14:46 |
| anders_gud | Thanks anyway lcuk, stskeeps! Bye! | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: qt4.5 still building on arm :> | 14:48 |
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| lbt | heh | 14:51 |
| lbt | I was going to check if OBS had released ARM on schedule | 14:51 |
| lbt | is that in the new qemu BTW? | 14:52 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: yeah | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | works flawlessly | 14:54 |
| lbt | quicker than the other method you were using? | 14:54 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: probably yeah | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | still some things to accelerate but i think OBS would be a good candidate for that | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | as that's a tad more complicated and requires static binaries | 14:56 |
| lbt | 'k | 14:57 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, what spec is your build machine | 14:59 |
| wazd_ | hey lbt, how's shopper going, need any more help?) | 15:00 |
| lcuk | and i gather it will be possible to optimize by throwing iron at it | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: craptacular | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | and yes | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: dual core2 2.4ghz | 15:01 |
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| lbt | wazd_: I'm sure I will.... but I have a fair bit to work on from what you've given me :) I'll let you know as soon as I get anything done. In the meantime I'm still interested that it crashes a lot for you... would be nice to see why... | 15:02 |
| lcuk | stability is much more important, dont want a crash distracting you and sending you and your trolley into the delicately stacked prune mountain! | 15:03 |
| wazd_ | lbt: well, since my tablet finaly reached reflash time, i'll test again on fresh install | 15:03 |
| lbt | good | 15:03 |
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| t3odor | Hi, did some of old N770 firmwares include dsp-tasks for video codecs - like old 2.0 mm architecture specification implies ? | 15:21 |
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| timsamoff | mornin'. | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | morn tim | 15:52 |
| qwerty12 | ello timsamoff | 15:53 |
| timsamoff | Hoping for happy day. ;) | 15:53 |
| wazd_ | hi | 15:56 |
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| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Aha! You switched to 'morn'! | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | it switches | 15:57 |
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| lcuk | Vindication!!!!! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/07/bacon_sarnie_hangover_cure/ | 16:00 |
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| lcuk | now i dont need an excuse to be drunk every night - i have to do this to allow the bacon sarnie to work!! | 16:01 |
| timsamoff | lcuk, your banner continues to amaze. Wave it high. | 16:02 |
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| lcuk | timsamoff, its a mere appreciation for bacon :) | 16:03 |
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| Myrtti | bacon? | 16:03 |
| lcuk | yes, comes from pigs apparantly | 16:04 |
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| Myrtti | nomnomnom | 16:04 |
| wazd_ | http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/Pork/ | 16:04 |
| lcuk | some strange folks use alternative facon products | 16:04 |
| timsamoff | wazd: Amazing. :p | 16:05 |
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| lcuk | wazd_, everytime i hear one of weebls songs they stick in my head (extremely good actually) 118 247 | 16:05 |
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| n2 | test | 16:07 |
| jeremiah_ | n2: Success? | 16:08 |
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| n2 | yeah ;-) | 16:08 |
| jeremiah_ | timsamoff: The reporting _is_ to assess performance | 16:08 |
| wazd_ | can anybody turn that pork stuff off please?) | 16:08 |
| jeremiah_ | If not, that needs to be made clear. | 16:08 |
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| vsr | is there a maemo git somewhere? | 16:09 |
| jeremiah_ | lcuk: And it is by no means apparent that bacon comes from pigs, it looks like it could come from anything. | 16:09 |
| jeremiah_ | vsr: On garage | 16:09 |
| jeremiah_ | vsr: Or do you want to install git on your tablet? | 16:09 |
| vsr | no build system | 16:10 |
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| X-Fade | vsr: git.maemo.org | 16:11 |
| timsamoff | jeremiah_: Well, yes, but... I don't think that's where the tension is coming from. | 16:11 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: it might have human origin, after all! | 16:11 |
| X-Fade | and git on your tablet is in extras-devel ;) | 16:11 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Exactly! | 16:11 |
| vsr | g i t . m a e m o . o r g : : c o m i n g s o o n | 16:11 |
| timsamoff | jeremiah_: I will only eat turkey bacon. | 16:11 |
| jeremiah_ | timsamoff: Things need to be explicit. | 16:11 |
| X-Fade | vsr: Just request a garage project with git.. | 16:11 |
| RST38h | timsamoff: you hate birds? | 16:11 |
| timsamoff | RST38h: With a vengence. | 16:11 |
| jeremiah_ | Bird hater! | 16:12 |
| timsamoff | :p | 16:12 |
| vsr | is maemo based on bitbake/oe? | 16:12 |
| jeremiah_ | I love pigs, they are so smart and sweet, but I love bacon too. | 16:12 |
| jeremiah_ | vsr: The OS is debian, the SDK is based on scratchbox | 16:12 |
| timsamoff | jeremiah_: Any opposition to dog bacon? | 16:12 |
| jeremiah_ | timsamoff: Is there such a thing??!!?! | 16:13 |
| timsamoff | jeremiah_: Probably, but... They're smart and sweet too. People definitely eat dogs. I just don't know how they cook 'em. ;) | 16:13 |
| jeremiah_ | timsamoff: A friend of my brother ate dog in Nepal. | 16:14 |
| jeremiah_ | gross | 16:14 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: Well, I have some pictures of it from a market in Indonesia. Not very good for the stomach though. | 16:14 |
| timsamoff | I was good friends with a Cambodian guy at school... He was always joking about going out and getting a snack. | 16:14 |
| qwerty12 | Horse meat... yum.... | 16:14 |
| X-Fade | rat-on-a-stick was a favourite there too. | 16:15 |
| jeremiah_ | qwerty12: You're not serious. | 16:15 |
| timsamoff | X-Fade: my brother lives in Indonesia,. but I don't think he's eaten dog yet. There's too much checken there to have to resort. | 16:15 |
| qwerty12 | jeremiah_, maybe.... But, no, I'm not :P | 16:15 |
| timsamoff | X-Fade: Chinese restaurants make a chicken-on-stick meal that we call "rat-on-stick." ;) | 16:15 |
| jeremiah_ | I have heard that in Asia they eat something like 100 animals; scorpion, snake, etc. | 16:15 |
| jeremiah_ | I eat three | 16:15 |
| jeremiah_ | beef, chicken, pork. | 16:15 |
| jeremiah_ | Thats it. | 16:15 |
| timsamoff | jeremiah_: No fish? | 16:16 |
| jeremiah_ | No fish. | 16:16 |
| jeremiah_ | Well, sometimes, but rarely. | 16:16 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: Well on Sulawesi they ate just about everything. Bats and big pythons too,\ | 16:16 |
| jeremiah_ | X-Fade: Are you serious? They ate bat? | 16:16 |
| timsamoff | I've eaten rattle snake, shark, many others... I really want to go to a gourmet insect place some day. | 16:16 |
| jeremiah_ | timsamoff: Your culinary bravery makes me look, erm, like a chicken. | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | mm, chicken | 16:17 |
| jeremiah_ | kyckling | 16:17 |
| timsamoff | jeremiah_ Ha. Well, I was vegetarian for almost 10 years. Now, I only eat chicken/turkey/fish. | 16:18 |
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| jeremiah_ | Even vegetables scare me. | 16:19 |
| RST38h | Chicken also suffers! | 16:19 |
| RST38h | And fish too | 16:19 |
| jeremiah_ | Epecially vegetables. | 16:19 |
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| RST38h | jeremiah: Afraid to suck blood from baby tomatoes? | 16:19 |
| timsamoff | RST34h: I suffer too. | 16:19 |
| * aquatix loves baby tomatoes, they taste like chicken | 16:19 | |
| RST38h | timsamoff: But nobody eats you and steals you eggs for food! | 16:20 |
| aquatix | oh wait | 16:20 |
| timsamoff | RST38h: You assume too much. | 16:20 |
| jeremiah_ | I only eat food that has fallen from the tree, I'm a fruitarian. | 16:20 |
| n2 | i love fish | 16:20 |
| timsamoff | :p | 16:20 |
| RST38h | Anyways, the moral, ethical thing to do is to switch to cannibalism | 16:20 |
| aquatix | indeed | 16:20 |
| jeremiah_ | Sounds good, we'll start with lunch on you RST38h | 16:20 |
| timsamoff | I had my arm for breakfast. | 16:20 |
| * qwerty12 will go for RST38h's brains. ASM would be nice to learn | 16:20 | |
| aquatix | qwerty12: be careful what you wish for | 16:21 |
| * RST38h will let Drawin resolve that | 16:21 | |
| aquatix | RST38h: good point | 16:21 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: Konami Announces a Game Based On A 2004 Battle In Fallujah | 16:21 |
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| jeremiah_ | Can you say; "Bad taste"? | 16:22 |
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| RST38h | jeremiah: Based on reports by soldiers who participated in the battle and later asked Atomic Games to make a game | 16:23 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Oh - I judged too soon, I take back my comment. | 16:23 |
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| RST38h | jeremiah: Two things I do not like about this are 1) can't play for the bad guys 2) bad guys always lose | 16:24 |
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| RST38h | jeremiah; With these two design flaws fixed, that would make a beautiful game =) | 16:24 |
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| doc|home | RST38h: history is written by the victor | 16:25 |
| doc|home | :/ | 16:25 |
| jeremiah_ | Who is Victor? | 16:25 |
| doc|home | Frank's mate | 16:25 |
| RST38h | the one who gets to tell the story of course | 16:25 |
| doc|home | from down the pub | 16:25 |
| jeremiah_ | Oh yeah. | 16:25 |
| doc|home | :) | 16:25 |
| jeremiah_ | He is always writing history. | 16:25 |
| jeremiah_ | He gets it wrong often though. Mostly cause he has been drinking with Frank. | 16:26 |
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| RST38h | http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=28110&in_page_id=34 <=== Why can't I play for Satan in this one? | 16:26 |
| jeremiah_ | Because you _are_ Satan | 16:27 |
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| keesj | party we have wifi at work! | 16:27 |
| RST38h | Ok, then where the hell are my armies of locusts, tarpits, insect swarms, etc? | 16:27 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Perhaps you have a cold? | 16:28 |
| RST38h | Can I *at least* have a small thermonuclear weapon or two? | 16:28 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Surely Pakistan has some rattling around that you can use. | 16:28 |
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| RST38h | jeremiah: wrong religion + they have only got regular nukes | 16:32 |
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| jeremiah_ | heh, so you mean it is the Christians that have the _really_ destructive weapons? | 16:33 |
| andre___ | every second time i look into this channel it's about politics. i love this community :-P | 16:33 |
| RST38h | what politics? | 16:34 |
| mavhc | christians, muslims, atheists, everyone loves linux | 16:34 |
| RST38h | Ballmer does not love linux ==> He is the Antichrist ==> KILL! | 16:34 |
| mavhc | he's jewish though | 16:34 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: That was the theme of the nineties. | 16:35 |
| fie_ | wut no wai | 16:35 |
| jeremiah_ | We have already won, we don't need to kill Ballmer. | 16:35 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: Even if it is fun? | 16:35 |
| mavhc | microsoft says 96% of netbooks run windows | 16:36 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Oh well, purely killing for enjoyment is a completely different kettle of fish. | 16:36 |
| RST38h | (besides, I do not quite see where you have "won") | 16:36 |
| jeremiah_ | mavhc: Maybe true. But it is XP! | 16:36 |
| RST38h | Last time I checked, XP was not Linux. | 16:36 |
| * mavhc says "96% of netbooks don't run vista" | 16:36 | |
| timsamoff | Anyone see an issue here: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2009-April/003639.html (or any mailing list archive message)? For me, the message body text has no whitespace. | 16:37 |
| RST38h | has got whitespace here | 16:37 |
| jeremiah_ | I see regular formatting timsamoff | 16:37 |
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| timsamoff | So weird. | 16:37 |
| timsamoff | http://samoff.maemobox.org/random/m.o-mailing_list.png | 16:39 |
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| doc|home | ahahah | 16:39 |
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| jeremiah_ | http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1827871101?bctid=4589039001 | 16:41 |
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| RST38h | jeremiah: the idea is so perfectly logical that it is a miracle nobody has used it so far | 16:55 |
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| jeremiah_ | It looks pretty well done too. | 16:56 |
| lcuk | its not realistically been practical before now because of the component sizes | 16:57 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Not true | 16:58 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Transparent LCDs have been known for years (appeared before reflective LCDs in fact) and covering one with a touchscreen matrix is not such a difficult thing | 16:58 |
| lcuk | the LCD is, but the guts of the machine, the cpu and motherboard and battery and controller chips and stuff | 16:59 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Not different from any other gadget | 16:59 |
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| lcuk | course it is, forever and a day there has been all that space available "behind the screen" for the machine itself. if it HAS to be fitted in the bezel theres serious problems | 17:00 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: You have to conceed that chips, motherboard, etc. have gotten smaller, allowing a device like this to be engineered. | 17:01 |
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| RST38h | Folks, you are forgetting that reasonably complex circuitry has been used in such devices for years. Look at Fisher Price toys | 17:02 |
| lcuk | the innovation is not that you can touch the back, its the fact you can actually fit the machine into such a small space | 17:02 |
| wazd_ | it's just flash simulation | 17:02 |
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| wazd_ | finger is drawn | 17:02 |
| wazd_ | back is simple touchpad | 17:02 |
| RST38h | It does not have to be a full fledged computer: even a clock with a few sensory areas at the back of the screen would qualify for this category | 17:02 |
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| mavhc | I assume the point is to overlay a picture of the fingers that are detected behind it with some kind of camera | 17:03 |
| mgedmin | either swfdec is incapable of playing that flash movie, or my internet connectivity sucks | 17:03 |
| wazd_ | mavhc: touchpad | 17:03 |
| * RST38h thoroughfully curses Windows7 and asks the Tentacled One to take some Redmond people out for lunch. | 17:04 | |
| mavhc | where's the accompanying text to go with the video? | 17:04 |
| RST38h | given that the fingers appear to touch the back surface, this can't be done with a camera | 17:04 |
| wazd_ | it can be just white spot on the screen | 17:05 |
| wazd_ | finger is just funny joke :) | 17:05 |
| RST38h | yea, they can draw the whole thing in principle | 17:06 |
| wazd_ | back of this box is simple touchpad that senses where your finger presses | 17:06 |
| wazd_ | and it shows it on the screen | 17:06 |
| wazd_ | there's nothing transparent :) | 17:07 |
| RST38h | well, they are drawing the whole finger, so they somehow need to detect its orientation | 17:07 |
| RST38h | by figngerprint maybe? | 17:07 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: it doesn't change orientation if you'll look closely | 17:07 |
| * RST38h checks | 17:07 | |
| RST38h | no, it does change orientation a little bit | 17:08 |
| mavhc | where's the accompanying text to go with the video? | 17:09 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: no it's not: http://s41.radikal.ru/i093/0904/1c/e35bbce9dc7a.jpg | 17:12 |
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| lcuk | wazd, you never seen anyone with a wonky finger before :P | 17:18 |
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| timsamoff | Mr. Wonky Fingers would be so offended. | 17:18 |
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| qwerty12 | X-Fade, will there ever be a good time to upload webkit? I've checked and checked, make runs with -j4 and nothing else... | 17:22 |
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| RST38h | wazd: in this particular frame he can be bending his finger | 17:24 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: Try it now, I'll monitor it. | 17:24 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade, thanks | 17:24 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: If I see it getting ugly, I'll kill it ;) | 17:24 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 17:25 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: noway a human can bend finger that way :) | 17:25 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: There are no other tasks building, so I know who to blame when it dies ;) | 17:25 |
| * qwerty12 looks around him. You'll never catch me! | 17:25 | |
| * X-Fade gets a bucket tar and a bundle of feathers. | 17:25 | |
| * timsamoff thinks RST38h would be offended that qwerty12 looks like a chicken. | 17:27 | |
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| rmt | http://trac.corporatism.org/browser/pview.vala - my touch screen image viewer (now web accessible) .. and http://trac.corporatism.org/browser/pass.vala (very simple mostly insecure but fit-for-purpose password requesting app) | 17:32 |
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| rmt | Unfortunately I'm having trouble getting pview to compile with N810 standard Gtk/GLib libs.. thought Regex's were a problem and eliminated them, but still have problems.. compiling against newer libs should work fine. | 17:33 |
| timsamoff | Have a good day everyone. | 17:34 |
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| X-Fade | qwerty12: Ok, it is starting now.. | 17:35 |
| * qwerty12 cues dramatic music | 17:35 | |
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| qwerty12 | rmt, Bundyo uses libpcre in his vala based Tear to have regex's | 17:35 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: /scratchbox/tools/bin/make -j4 -C build | 17:36 |
| qwerty12 | It's also worth noting that it took a day to build w/out -j... | 17:36 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: Yeah, saw that :) | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | webkit is huge. | 17:37 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 17:37 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Now imaging QT4.5 including webkit and more stuff ;) | 17:37 |
| X-Fade | *imagine | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: i'm building that on my ARM chroot right now. | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | (with the OBS qemu) | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | 1 1/2 day so far | 17:37 |
| X-Fade | Takes 18 hours on our builder. | 17:37 |
| rmt | qwerty12, Was simple enough to re-implement the code here.. probably fractionally faster too. | 17:37 |
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| qwerty12 | rmt, ah, missed the part where you said that you eliminated the problem :) | 17:38 |
| lcuk | x-fade, qwerty might be "good" at bringing your server down, but i just brought our entire netowkr down here at work - with 1 file copy \@/ | 17:39 |
| * rmt notes that the Vala implementation of pview is significantly faster than his previous python implementation, even though most of the work is in the image processing/resizing functions of gdk.. strange, that. | 17:40 | |
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| lcuk | rmt, python is notoriously slow, vala boils down to raw c | 17:51 |
| lcuk | you must have some serious section which is using more python than you thought | 17:52 |
| rmt | lcuk, definitely the initial directory traversal .. | 17:52 |
| lcuk | its nice and fast in c - what object model do you parse your folders from? | 17:53 |
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| X-Fade | qwerty12: Constant load of 6. So it is probably ok now. | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | Wicked, thanks! | 18:06 |
| * qwerty12 *crosses fingers* | 18:07 | |
| X-Fade | We need a progress bar ;) | 18:07 |
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| Khertan1 | Hello ! | 18:14 |
| * Khertan1 is currently installing Mer :) | 18:14 | |
| Stskeeps | :) | 18:16 |
| Khertan1 | yep i need to test mCalendar, mNotes on it :) | 18:16 |
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| Khertan1 | humm ... i need to fix pygtkeditor ... for user path ... | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, always using getenv("HOME") or what it is in python is a good thing | 18:19 |
| Khertan1 | yep | 18:19 |
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| Khertan1 | but pygtkeditor was my first python program | 18:19 |
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| Khertan1 | ouch skype conf call + mer download + ftp upload of new version of our software ... isn't a good idea on a 1Mb adsl line | 18:39 |
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| Stskeeps | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28145 | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | oh dear god | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | If Chinese parents are anything like Paki parents, I could probably relate... | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | true | 18:50 |
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| GAN8001 | lol | 18:52 |
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| churl | hello everyone! | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | wello | 19:07 |
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| woglinde | hello | 19:08 |
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| churl | It's been a minute since I've been here, hope all is well in the maemo world | 19:08 |
| churl | wow, lots of new apps available to install! | 19:10 |
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| Stskeeps | wow, april 09 looks like there's activity going on | 19:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and March didn't? | 19:26 |
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| Khertan1 | Stskeeps: did there is problem with the 0 | 19:27 |
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| Khertan1 | download ? | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: .. more colours | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan1: hmm? | 19:27 |
| Khertan1 | of mer installer ? | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | shouldn't be a problem, if you have 2.0.0-mer8 | 19:27 |
| Khertan1 | i ve should redownload the things 5 times | 19:27 |
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| Khertan1 | i mean not the installer but the archive of 0.11 | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | shouldn't be a problem with it, it fails to unpack or? | 19:28 |
| Khertan1 | teh download of mer-armel-n8x0-images-v0.11.tar.gz | 19:29 |
| Khertan1 | not the upack ... really the download part which stall | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 19:29 |
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| Khertan1 | seems you didn't hear of any problems | 19:29 |
| |thunder | what is Mer ? | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | well i guess there's different types of internet connections | 19:29 |
| Khertan1 | so it should come from my adsl | 19:29 |
| qwerty12 | ~mer | 19:29 |
| infobot | well, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan1: i can put it on a better connection if you want me to | 19:30 |
| |thunder | thanks | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | and you can point the installer to a new URL= | 19:30 |
| Khertan1 | :) | 19:30 |
| Khertan1 | this time it s seems i have near the end | 19:30 |
| Khertan1 | ... | 19:30 |
| Khertan1 | so it should be ok | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | oki | 19:30 |
| |thunder | hmm, no screenies | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | plenty of screenies | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 19:31 |
| qwerty12 | |thunder, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.11#Screenshots | 19:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | A screenshot link from the Mer homepage would be good. | 19:32 |
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| Stskeeps | wb | 19:34 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd_: http://melvawardjr.livejournal.com/6931.html <- true WTF | 19:38 |
| qwerty12 | "All our squad, hombres from assibilate the cosmos, schmoose on # maemo" | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 19:39 |
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| Khertan1 | I'll try to made screenshot of my apps under mer | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | :) | 19:39 |
| qwerty12 | I'm dark but I ain't Mexican :P | 19:39 |
| Khertan1 | is it normal that after entering root password terminal close and nothing more happen ? | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan1: go into application manager, check for updates, click refresh, a merinstaller update will probably show up | 19:40 |
| Khertan1 | top indicate me that refresh boot menu :) | 19:40 |
| Khertan1 | is working in background | 19:40 |
| Khertan1 | Stskeeps i ve installed the last one :) | 19:41 |
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| Stskeeps | sure? 2.0.0-mer8? | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | check it's the right version :P | 19:41 |
| Khertan1 | i 'm verifying | 19:41 |
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| Khertan1 | if bootmenu let me some cpu cycle to see the version number | 19:42 |
| churl | so, I have plenty of room on both my SD cards, but none left on the internal 250 mb. I'm guessing this is because some large game installs don't give me the option to install to an SD card. Is there anyway to force an app to install onto a SD card? Or is there a way that I'm not seeing to get around my, "always full 250mb" ? | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan1: yeah.. it's a bug and i'm sure i fixed it in 2.0.0-mer8 :P | 19:43 |
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| Khertan1 | i ve use the .install to install mer installer :) | 19:43 |
| Khertan1 | so ssh :) | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan1: yeah, but it doesn't force a certainversion | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | afaik | 19:44 |
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| Khertan1 | hum ... | 19:45 |
| Khertan1 | how can i see with apt-cache which version is installed ? | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | dpkg -l merinstaller | 19:45 |
| Khertan1 | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | 19:45 |
| Khertan1 | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed | 19:45 |
| Khertan1 | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) | 19:45 |
| Khertan1 | ||/ Name Version Description | 19:45 |
| Khertan1 | +++-==============-==============-============================================ | 19:45 |
| Khertan1 | ii merinstaller 2.0.0-mer8 The offical Mer Project installer | 19:45 |
| Khertan1 | haha | 19:45 |
| Khertan1 | thx | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | riight. | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | hmm. :p | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | simple or advanced? | 19:46 |
| Khertan1 | simple | 19:46 |
| Khertan1 | ext card | 19:46 |
| Khertan1 | n810 | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | ok, does a /etc/bootmenu.d/mer-something exist+ | 19:47 |
| Khertan1 | mer-simple-ext.item | 19:47 |
| mgedmin | Khertan1: you use apt-cache policy $packagename | 19:47 |
| mgedmin | and watch for the '*' to indicate which version is installed | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan1: ok, reboot, and then go into root terminal and refresh_bootmenu.d | 19:47 |
| mgedmin | dpkg -l tends to truncate its output | 19:47 |
| mgedmin | unless you use dpkg -l $pkgname|cat | 19:48 |
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| Khertan1 | thx mgedmin :) | 19:48 |
| mgedmin | also, dpkg -l has that huge obnoxious header | 19:48 |
| mgedmin | which you should probably not paste into the irc channel ;) | 19:48 |
| Khertan1 | rigth | 19:48 |
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| Khertan1 | the problem isn't the header ... but the system i use right now and putty ... | 19:48 |
| Khertan1 | you know one of the only system that require that you install an application just to do ssh | 19:49 |
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| Khertan1 | something that start with a W | 19:49 |
| Khertan1 | Stskeeps: i'm not sure killing the process refresh_bootmenu is a good idea | 19:50 |
| Khertan1 | right ? | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan1: oh, it's a good idea, it doesn't do anything | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | just busy-waits | 19:50 |
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| Stskeeps | later in the process it's not a good idea ;) | 19:51 |
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| Khertan1 | youps ! device crash | 19:54 |
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| Khertan1 | pivot root and starting /sbin/init... | 19:56 |
| Khertan1 | and poof ... reboot | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | hmmm | 19:56 |
| Khertan1 | so ... reinstall :) | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | i guess :/ | 19:56 |
| Khertan1 | It s start to look like to Windows :) | 19:57 |
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| Khertan1 | but don't worry i think it s related to some thing that run in background of my nit | 19:57 |
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| mikkov_ | has anybody tried commenting on maemo.org/downloads lately? | 19:59 |
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| qwerty12 | mikkov_, I got emails today about comments on some of my things (but the odd thing is that the emails are dated 2 days ago but I only got them today) | 20:05 |
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| mikkov_ | i got mails too, but comments are missing | 20:07 |
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| Khertan1 | don't know noone like my softs enough to comment it ... :) | 20:14 |
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| lcuk | Khertan1, what have you released now then? | 20:37 |
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| fzero | Hello all. I don't know if this is a n00b question but is there any way to make SSHing to the N800 less laggy? | 21:03 |
| lcuk | i never notice lag with ssh | 21:03 |
| fzero | I searched google but the only solution was to leave something in other terminal window pinging an outside server. | 21:03 |
| lcuk | and i use it lots of the time | 21:03 |
| lcuk | just how laggy is it | 21:03 |
| fzero | VERY laggy. | 21:03 |
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| fzero | It connects, asks for the password, shows the prompt and then i have a lag of some seconds. | 21:04 |
| fzero | then it's responsive again | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | fzero: power saving measures | 21:04 |
| fzero | And then lags again | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | (PSM) | 21:04 |
| fzero | Stskeeps: Yep, i figured that, but how to fix it? | 21:04 |
| mikkov_ | disable it | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | disabling power saving within the connections panel | 21:04 |
| mikkov_ | but then your battery runs out fast :) | 21:05 |
| fzero | mikkov_: No problem, I'll leave it plugged in while doing that | 21:05 |
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| fzero | I haven't seen that panel, but I'll look when I get home. | 21:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, because you use that ghetto as WiFi setup. | 21:06 |
| fzero | Thanks lots. I've just bought the N800 but I'm a Python (and ruby, and PHP, and...) coder. | 21:06 |
| fzero | So I have plans. >:) | 21:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Just leave something using the network | 21:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | XChat works nicely | 21:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | While not completely destroying your battery life. | 21:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~psm | 21:07 |
| fzero | GeneralAntilles: I tried pinging my router. | 21:07 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, psm is Personal Security Manager for Mozilla, at http://docs.iplanet.com/docs/manuals/psm/psm-mozilla/index.html. You don't need to restart mozilla as noted on that URL. It also consumes 100% CPU unfortunately... lame piece of software. no longer works as of mozilla 0.7, or needed for viewing of some login sites, i.e. yahoo. install by apt-get install mozilla-psm | 21:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~wifi-psm | 21:07 |
| infobot | [wifi-psm] http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) | 21:07 |
| fzero | GeneralAntilles: It gets better, but it's still laggy. | 21:07 |
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| mikkov_ | pinging once a second isn't enough, psm still kicks in | 21:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | PSM kicks in after 100ms | 21:08 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, my ghetto ass wifi setup obviously works better than all your slow ass laggy shite :P | 21:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, lcuk, you trade good battery life for specious WiFi advantages | 21:10 |
| lcuk | but if i never suffer from a flat battery what does it matter? | 21:10 |
| lcuk | incidentally, at the summit my n810 was the only one with battery left when we were at the pub at end of day | 21:10 |
| lcuk | everyone elses was flat :) | 21:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | and? | 21:11 |
| fzero | After reading the article, maybe even the intermediate setting will work. | 21:12 |
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| joyrider | it's comming along nicely if i say so myselve hehe : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnRI1Q9IEjg | 21:23 |
| Jaffa | re | 21:24 |
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| lcuk | \o hi jaffa | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo jaffa | 21:24 |
| fzero | joyrider: Whats the idea, you change gravity's direction? | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | ooh. | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | boulderdash | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | .. i was reminded of | 21:25 |
| fzero | joyrider: Looks like a killer, erm, time-killer. | 21:25 |
| fzero | :) | 21:25 |
| joyrider | fzero yeah basicly and you need to remove the blocks by doing so :) | 21:25 |
| lcuk | joyrider, that video is from a windows machine, whats it like on device? is it responsive and slick? | 21:25 |
| joyrider | lcuk yes | 21:25 |
| joyrider | i tried it on the device already | 21:26 |
| lcuk | good | 21:26 |
| lcuk | you need to make sure you keep trying it on device as well ;) | 21:26 |
| joyrider | oh i do at first the effects we're too slow till i tested it on the device had to change them :) | 21:26 |
| fzero | joyrider: It has a nintendoish look and feel. Me likes it. | 21:27 |
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| lcuk | joyrider, you have a simple little driving game, is that sdl as well? | 21:27 |
| joyrider | fzero the "blueish skin" is actually taken from the nintendo game version, it's a remake | 21:27 |
| joyrider | lcuk yes | 21:28 |
| joyrider | but never finished it | 21:28 |
| lcuk | get that ported ;) | 21:28 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: ping | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, pong? | 21:28 |
| fzero | joyrider: cool | 21:28 |
| lcuk | joyrider, ive considered a racing game where you drive car around by drawing stroke all the way round the track | 21:28 |
| joyrider | fzero original game is named "gravnic", which is part of "puzznic" for the nes :) | 21:28 |
| qgil | hi, do you hav plans for Copenhagen? | 21:28 |
| lcuk | as levels advance the track gets thinner ;) | 21:28 |
| joyrider | ah sounds intresting | 21:29 |
| lcuk | but the sort of scale track as you have on the game you show there | 21:29 |
| lcuk | ie the principle core of your app could work easily ;) | 21:29 |
| joyrider | yeah but it's too buggy & hackery :) i wanted to make the levels all defined by graphics for gates etc so people could "draw" the levels but i never finished it lost intrest in it :/ | 21:30 |
| joyrider | plus the graphic level was hard to do so decided to skip it | 21:31 |
| joyrider | btw yesterday i stumbled on a nice site : http://www.squidi.net/three/index.php don't know if you have seen it before but it has general idea's for some game implementations | 21:31 |
| lcuk | heh, way back when i wrote a racetrack designer - lovely splines and crossovers and adjustable bits | 21:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, there's no way I could get a passport in time. | 21:31 |
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| joyrider | yeah i read something up about the splines and how one could create ai cars using that, but that was too hard for me i'm just an average joe programmer doing it as a hobby (& work) but i still consider myselve quite noob to it all :) | 21:32 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: ... and through El Paso? | 21:32 |
| lcuk | haha | 21:33 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: alright, but please star doing the papers so you get it for the Maemo Summit... | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, yeah, on it. | 21:33 |
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| qgil | then... I only need to know whether Qola has plans | 21:33 |
| qgil | Qole | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not much I can really bring to the table for a dev get together anyway. ;) | 21:34 |
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| lcuk | joyrider, dont underestimate yourself, you have got a collection of apps under your belt which can be grown and polished further | 21:34 |
| qgil | ... and the Fremantle Stars, only lcuk has answered | 21:34 |
| lcuk | :D | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: keeping opposing community members from getting into a fist fight? ;) | 21:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, dude, I'm totally throwing down. | 21:35 |
| joyrider | lcuk, hmm yeah but i generally start one make it , wait till its finished to my "needs" and release it and then stop working on them unless they contain bugs :) + i only started with sdl & c/c++ with the gp2x | 21:35 |
| qgil | Stskeeps: are you recruiting Mer contributors for Copenhagn? | 21:35 |
| lcuk | joyrider, you have seen liqbase i gather? | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: yeah, i'm trying hard - so far VDVsx can't, lbt might, and zenvoid is exploring options, and wazd can't leave the country | 21:36 |
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| lcuk | lardman? | 21:36 |
| joyrider | to give an example how noob i am: i was too lazy to figure out how to use multiple files & header files so i just (used) to write everything in one C/cpp file :x although i'm still learning and starting to use header & multiple files now :) | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: getting married that weekend | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | afaik | 21:36 |
| joyrider | luck yes i've seen it :) | 21:36 |
| lcuk | oh yeah! | 21:36 |
| lcuk | holly will let him sneak off ;) | 21:37 |
| joyrider | even tried it out :) | 21:37 |
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| Stskeeps | qgil: i hope that some more people start being interested all around when details, sponsorship details, focus areas within the projects start being published - people might be wary in these crisis times :) | 21:39 |
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| * GeneralAntilles is wary of running into Stskeeps. | 21:40 | |
| qgil | Stskeeps: sure, I have seen that X-Fade and Eero from Nemein were trying out the sponsorship form this afternoon | 21:40 |
| qgil | we do have some budget to help out developers joining in, yes | 21:41 |
| * Jaffa wonders why interesting stuff always happens when he's already got plans - not like he's got a busy social life 99.999% of the time | 21:41 | |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: heh, in my old open source project we had a saying that WW3 would start if we were ever in the same room | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | we=the developers | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, it's a conspiracy. | 21:42 |
| VDVsx | end of may is a very bad time for students (at least in europe) :( | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | yeah - i have math exam 8 days later, but i'm reading up early on :P | 21:42 |
| qgil | VDVsx: I don't recall that from my times as student... specially not in a weekend :) | 21:43 |
| qgil | anyway, I just hope we reach the critical mass sooner than later | 21:44 |
| VDVsx | qgil, yeah but now is time for final exams, graduations, etc... | 21:44 |
| qgil | (also the announcement was kept some extyra days because of some details and we hit Easter, not useful either to get early confirmations) | 21:44 |
| VDVsx | I can confirm this with some GSoC info :p | 21:44 |
| qgil | VDVsx: alright, before the EU mid june was the time | 21:45 |
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| qgil | ... and thousends of students seem not to have many problems to meet at http://www.sonar.es ;) | 21:45 |
| qgil | but yes, point taken | 21:46 |
| VDVsx | eheh | 21:46 |
| VDVsx | qgil, at least is a bad time for me. :P | 21:46 |
| * VDVsx gonna watch Man. United match :) | 21:46 | |
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| qgil | ... and besides the confirmations to come or not, I would appreciate more feedback in the form of pure comments | 21:48 |
| qgil | about the event itself and what could we do with it | 21:48 |
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| qgil | it's an experiment that no Maemo nor Mozilla hav done in the past | 21:49 |
| woglinde | re | 21:49 |
| Jaffa | Sounds like a good idea to me, but it'll depend on how many of the key technical developers/stakeholders can make it | 21:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully we get some improved MicroB plugins out of it. | 21:50 |
| qgil | Jaffa: do you mean core Fennec guys or... ? | 21:50 |
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| qgil | GeneralAntilles: MicroB plugins? We are looking preferrably for Fennec add-ons | 21:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, well, let's hope for a functional release of Fennec, then. ;) | 21:51 |
| lcuk | i have half an idea for a little coding competition while we are there - to give some focus to those devs who make it | 21:51 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: I guess they will get there... | 21:52 |
| lcuk | but im concentrating on other matters principly ;) | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | That, or OMAP3, I guess. . . . | 21:52 |
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| Stskeeps | qgil: some more venue information could be good - it's a bit unclear to me if we're going to be stuck in a big room like at a LAN party ;) | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | i'll try to dig some up but i'm not sure what kind of space agreement you got at ITU | 21:53 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: in principle the good thing about Fennec add-ons is that they should be cross-platform | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Soo, Maemo and WinMob? ;) | 21:53 |
| qgil | the question is how long will it take to Fennec to have a significant presence and reliability in Maemo and the rest of platforms they are targetting | 21:53 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: there is a project for S60 too, and I wouldn't be surprised seeing them in the rest of Linux mobile platforms | 21:54 |
| qgil | Stskeeps: there is one auditorium, a big hall and 3 rooms | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:55 |
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| woglinde | qgil is the weekend now for maemo/mozilla integration only? | 21:56 |
| qgil | woglinde: http://wiki.maemo.org/MozillaMaemoDanishWeekend | 21:56 |
| qgil | Maemo/Mozilla integration is actually the smallest part | 21:57 |
| keesj | Fennec rules | 21:57 |
| woglinde | ah okay | 21:57 |
| woglinde | so I didnt read it wrong | 21:57 |
| qgil | and the less relevant since both teams are made of professionals and they meet face to face whenever they like, more or less | 21:57 |
| qgil | but woglinde maybe this is what many people is thinking not reading below the event name | 21:57 |
| woglinde | qgil no no I read this | 21:58 |
| woglinde | but was unsure beause of the discussion | 21:58 |
| qgil | I was talking about add-ons only, which is something where there is obviously room for community / third parties | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: a simple planet.maemo.org post might do something too | 21:59 |
| qgil | ah yes, I always forget about the people that follows planet only instead of /news | 22:00 |
| qgil | tomorrow | 22:00 |
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| woglinde | re florian | 22:01 |
| qgil | maybe sending an email to the projcts listed at http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Stars and http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Remarkable_community_projects would help too | 22:01 |
| qgil | I do think some people has got the idea that this is a weekend for Mozilla related projects only | 22:01 |
| florian | re | 22:01 |
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| Mek | qgil: well, that wiki page says that if you "work on Fennec, [...] *and* Maemo 5 applications" the call i ment for you... | 22:05 |
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| * Stskeeps tries to ask around at his CS dept of students who might be interested | 22:07 | |
| qgil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mozilla_Maemo_Danish_Weekend#Who_is_coming - 12 people now :) | 22:07 |
| woglinde | hehe | 22:07 |
| qgil | Mek: fair point! | 22:08 |
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| ShadowJK | Khertan1, ah I tried pygtkeditor yesterday, the save dialog changed size constantly on my device (diablo) :) | 22:09 |
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| qgil | Mek: edited in maemo.org, and I will remember tomorrow in the blog post | 22:10 |
| Mek | okay :) | 22:10 |
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| RST38h | Folks, does ALSA have some /sys or /proc file that lets me modify global audio volume? | 22:23 |
| ShadowJK | no | 22:23 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: | 22:23 |
| Macer | are you there?? | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: mm? | 22:23 |
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| Macer | lol | 22:23 |
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| Macer | i need your phone | 22:24 |
| RST38h | Any other command line friendly way to control audio volume? | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 22:24 |
| Macer | for int shipping | 22:24 |
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| Macer | try to hurry | 22:24 |
| Macer | im holding the line up | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | call me in the middle of the night and i'll be grumpy :P | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | phone number in msg | 22:24 |
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| Stskeeps | qgil: prodded my previous boss who's a forum nokia contact at my university (.. who actually got me into maemo initially), and will try to see if he knows any students etc who might be interested in this too | 22:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Macer: that's a hint to call him in the middle of the night :p | 22:25 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, well, amixer? | 22:26 |
| qgil | Stskeeps: thanks! the Maemo trainings in Copenhagen got good attendance | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | as mobile extensions is definately a developing area | 22:26 |
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| RST38h | Shadow: ! | 22:27 |
| RST38h | Shadow: thanks, I will try | 22:27 |
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| Macer | lol | 22:33 |
| Macer | no | 22:33 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: it is in the hands of the usps now | 22:34 |
| guysoft42 | hey, if i want to implement something like this on maemo, what libraries do i need?: http://www.hammacher.com/publish/75968.asp | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: alright, let them have mercy on it :P | 22:34 |
| ds3 | 8 | 22:34 |
| Macer | will send you the track# when i get home | 22:34 |
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| guysoft42 | its a gps application and i needs a little graphics for drawing | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | guysoft42: you need a n810 and possibly liblocation or libgpsbt .. i think | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | and maybe some stuff to declare distance for you | 22:35 |
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| guysoft42 | Stskeeps, i have the nokia, thats the point :) | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | heading might be odd | 22:35 |
| churl | I'm getting a file format not supported in mplayer with an .avi file. (I dont know if I deleted something today or what) any ideas of where to start? | 22:35 |
| guysoft42 | Stskeeps, is there some sample python app i can find anywhere? | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | guysoft42: no sorry | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | as in | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | i don't know :) | 22:36 |
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| lbt | qgil: I notice the event wasn't on the LWN.net event list... | 22:37 |
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| Macer | sts. had to fill out a customs form | 22:37 |
| Macer | what a pain | 22:37 |
| Macer | lol | 22:37 |
| Macer | reminds me of being in iraq | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: remembered the gift part? :P | 22:38 |
| Macer | yes | 22:38 |
| Macer | lol | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | good | 22:38 |
| Macer | it is marked as a gift | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | then perhaps the danish customs won't rape me that much | 22:38 |
| Macer | haha | 22:38 |
| Macer | well.. it is 6 to 10 days to get to dk | 22:38 |
| Macer | after that its up to your system | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | that's fine, i just hope to have a working n800 by the time the copenhagen meet is | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | debugging input methods is notoriously bad when your screen is scrolling | 22:39 |
| Macer | well.. hope it gets there soon ;) enjoy. ok. gotta go | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | cya | 22:39 |
| Macer | lol | 22:39 |
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| guysoft42 | Stskeeps, well now you know :-): http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/python_gps_examples/index.html | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 22:44 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, just blik slowly (close for 3 open for 1) | 22:45 |
| lcuk | blink even | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:46 |
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| ShadowJK | churl: probably a damaged file.. | 22:47 |
| BlastuR | anyone got a step-by-step guide to upgrading your n810 to the latest firmware? | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | ~flashing | 22:48 |
| infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 22:48 |
| lbt | ~flashing | 22:48 |
| BlastuR | thanks | 22:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lbt: got told off? ;) | 22:48 |
| churl | ShadowJK: just figured out that playing some avi files off my server works fine, while some avi files say that "format not supported" and others say "media codec not supported" | 22:48 |
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| churl | but they all work on non-maemo | 22:49 |
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| lbt | qwerty12_N800: yep | 22:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 22:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :p | 22:49 |
| lbt | hey, I wasn't even on this chan when he asked! | 22:50 |
| ShadowJK | Mplayer on maemo can say "media codec not supported"? wow, regular mplayer has cryptic messages hard to figure out where the issue is :) | 22:51 |
| qgil | lbt what needs to be done to submit it? | 22:52 |
| churl | ShadowJK: does that make me lucky?? | 22:52 |
| lbt | have a look here: http://lwn.net/Calendar/Monthly/2009-05/ | 22:52 |
| lbt | http://lwn.net/Calendar/new/ | 22:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | churl: no, it makes it sound like you're using the default media player | 22:53 |
| lbt | lwn is one of the more grown-up publications out there - in cas you weren't aware of it | 22:53 |
| churl | ShadowJK: one second....... | 22:53 |
| qgil | lbt thanks | 22:53 |
| ShadowJK | what qwerty said :) | 22:54 |
| churl | man, that's totally my bad | 22:54 |
| lbt | ps - talking to OBS at the moment - Stskeeps are we planning to talk about that at copenhagen? | 22:54 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: well, it's more development than presentation | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | but i hope we have some interesting developments to show | 22:55 |
| churl | qwerty12_N800: ShadowJK thanks | 22:56 |
| Macer | welp. need to start swapping users to the zimbra server :) | 23:02 |
| qgil | Stskeeps lbt there is also time and place for presentations in copenhagen | 23:04 |
| churl | mplayer doesnt seem to work, but this is my first time really using it, it's not seeming to load a file after selecting "open" then clicking on the file for it to play. | 23:04 |
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| lcuk | lbt, you coming to copenhagen? :D | 23:05 |
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| lbt | I'd like to | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: there are space for presentations and i hope we can make one :) | 23:05 |
| lbt | I have the free time! | 23:06 |
| lcuk | good! | 23:06 |
| churl | or does it just not like files loaded from a server, (over "shared folders")? | 23:06 |
| lcuk | churl, copy it locally and try again | 23:07 |
| lcuk | it might just be a bandwidth burp | 23:07 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yep - I'd like to see how it all fits together. | 23:07 |
| lbt | Mer as a result | 23:07 |
| churl | i wish | 23:07 |
| lbt | OBS as workflow/build support | 23:07 |
| lbt | maemo/hildon as device | 23:08 |
| lcuk | lbt :) im using git properly now | 23:08 |
| lbt | and /touch support | 23:08 |
| lbt | ubunutu as base | 23:08 |
| * lbt smiles wisely at lcuk | 23:08 | |
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| lbt | I still want to see libgit | 23:09 |
| lbt | as a distributed OO DB | 23:09 |
| lcuk | :) | 23:09 |
| lbt | anyone know about .... hildon_g_scanner_cache_open | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: yes | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | make sure glib is built | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | and hildon is built against it | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | there's a reason why i load things in order, and not in one big portion :P | 23:10 |
| lbt | well in that case gtk should depend on glib-mer :P | 23:11 |
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| lbt | which maybe should provide glib | 23:11 |
| lbt | as it happens | 23:12 |
| The_User | Hi! | 23:12 |
| bongo|kup | anyone know about ..... transparency package? | 23:12 |
| lbt | pkg-config too old; version 0.16 or better required. | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: maybe | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: .. yeah, it's an interesting loop | 23:12 |
| ShadowJK | Khertan, oh ignore me, I see now you updated it after i installed it | 23:12 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: http://trkcnfrm1.smi.usps.com/PTSInternetWeb/InterLabelInquiry.do | 23:14 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, ta | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | nothing yet, but it'll come :) | 23:15 |
| The_User | Are there any plans for a maemo-based mobile phone? | 23:15 |
| churl | where do i look to change the app that is used as the default when opening a file? | 23:16 |
| lbt | The_User: yes | 23:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | bongo|kup: yeah, it's mine and only in extras-devel for a reason ;) | 23:16 |
| The_User | :) | 23:16 |
| The_User | lbt: Any link? | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | The_User: there'll be a Mer/hildon based one soon, http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-freerunner.jpg :> | 23:16 |
| lbt | sorry, confidential | 23:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | churl: google dbus-switchboard | 23:16 |
| The_User | Mer :D Free Software :) | 23:17 |
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| churl | qwerty12_N800: thank | 23:17 |
| churl | s | 23:17 |
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| lcuk | lbt :O | 23:17 |
| bongo|kup | querty: problems? or can i try it? | 23:17 |
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| * lbt feels guilty now | 23:17 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | bongo|kup: oh, it works (quite well actually), i just wouldn't classify it as speedy... | 23:18 |
| bongo|kup | qwerty12_N800: i see .... the 5 seconds thing | 23:19 |
| bongo|kup | :) | 23:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol, that's just to get xcompmgr started :) | 23:20 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Need to improve that script muchly though... 'twas a quick job :/ | 23:21 |
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| bongo|kup | i couldn't install from app manager .... | 23:22 |
| churl | lcuk: it will load some files over the network just fine, others not at all, no responce | 23:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | bongo|kup: odd, i sent a version to -devel that did install correctly... | 23:23 |
| bongo|kup | but it's a nice hack :) thx | 23:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 23:23 |
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| bongo|kup | maybe a problem with the upper case t | 23:26 |
| bongo|kup | Transparency != transparency | 23:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | that's just the Maemo-Display-Name, package itself is called transparency | 23:27 |
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| churl | lcuk: i can't get a file to load in mplayer's file address bar if it's coming from my server. | 23:44 |
| churl | maybe there's a better video player? | 23:46 |
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| lcuk | churl, dunno then about connectivity, i think mplayer is more or less god as far as media players go | 23:48 |
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| churl | yeah, media player does good enough for me, and it works with the network | 23:49 |
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| churl | i dont need to watch ALL of my videos | 23:49 |
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| lcuk | churl, there you go then :P | 23:52 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: it's the usps :) be happy if you get the tracking information before it gets there | 23:57 |
| Macer | i should hve used fedex but that's a little far from here | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | yeah - usps is fine | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | was shipping bad? | 23:58 |
| Macer | it's ok :) i guess it will get there | 23:58 |
| Macer | honestly i've only had 1 problem with the usps once in my life | 23:58 |
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