IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2009-04-04

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tds5016so... I have a C project that runs on a linux machine.00:16
tds5016how would I go about getting that C program ported to maemo?00:16
Stskeepsscratchbox fun00:16
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tds5016what is scratchbox?00:16
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jakemaheucomplicated00:17
Stskeepstds5016: http://maemo.org/development/00:17
tds5016haha, now if only this stupid thing were easy to get this ported to python.00:18
tds5016haha.00:18
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Macerugh00:43
Macertaking forever to figure out this damn zimbra skin thing00:43
Macertrying to be l33t and customize my zimbra install00:43
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t1xhi all00:46
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t1xanybody here?00:48
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VDVsxhello t1x00:50
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t1xhi00:52
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RST38hhttp://pics.livejournal.com/texconten/pic/0002d4dg01:11
RST38hlive bait01:11
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lcukRST38h, thats not good01:16
* lcuk karate chops Stskeeps 01:16
Stskeepshehe01:16
RST38hlcuk: not good for whom of the participants?01:17
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lcukthe shark01:17
RST38hit's a gamble for the shark01:17
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lcuki rescued a hedgehog tonight!01:19
RST38hwas it tasty?01:20
Stskeepsgave it milk?01:20
lcuka bit sharp on the tongue01:20
qwerty12_N800From the North?01:20
lcukdamn thing nearly popped my tyres!01:20
RST38hheh01:20
lcuki stopped though and picked it up and rescued it :)01:20
lcukin the time it took us to turn round about 5 other cars had just missed it as well01:21
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lcukdamn lucky little thing01:21
lcukyes qwerty12_N800, from the north01:21
lcukit was out without a jacket on01:22
RST38hyou mean, it was bald?01:22
lcukheh no it had a tshirt on :P01:23
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RST38h=)01:24
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RST38h"Object is only to be approached by Non-conscious individuals, at most under hypnotic suggestion."01:37
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woglindefor a beer?01:50
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lcukto start the great machine up again01:50
lcukbut beer is just as good01:50
robinkI'm unable to get a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my N810.01:50
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lcukmine is warm tho :(01:51
lcukrobink, before bashing head for hours trying strange stuff, try turning both off and on again01:51
robinklcuk: OK.01:51
qwerty12_N800Cool it down in yellow snow01:51
robinkWhich should I turn on first?01:51
lcukthe nokia :)01:51
lcukthats the usual method01:52
lcukpaul blart mall cop is cool btw :D01:52
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lcukits like die hard after bruce willis let himself go01:53
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robinklcuk: That didn't fix it.01:56
lcukdamn01:57
lcukdid it work earlier on01:57
lcukor is this the first time01:57
lcuk01*45538./4.1518519.501:57
lcuk^tracy01:57
lcukshe got home (cant you tell)01:58
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woglindegood nite01:59
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robinkDo you have to do something silly like type the PIN on the keyboard?01:59
robinkThe Nokia device wants to specify a PIN, but the keyboard presumably has no way of knowing it.01:59
lcukfirst time connection on some keyboards yeah02:00
lcukwhat kind is it02:00
Stskeepsrobink: 0000?02:02
robinklcuk: Apple Wireless02:03
robinkStskeeps: I could try that...02:03
robinkDang it, now I can't unpair it from the Mac02:03
robinkI tried pairing it with the Mac to see if that would work (I had to enter a PIN on the keyboard).02:04
robink...now I can't unpair it.02:04
lcukapple store guys tell you it wont work ;)02:04
lcukwhy cant u unpair it?02:04
lcukjust shut the mac down, put it in a box, send it to this address: ...02:04
robinklcuk: Well I unpaired it from the Mac end, but now it won't pair with any other device.02:04
lcuktake batteries out, put em back in, press the doofer button on top right and go with the flow02:04
robinklcuk: It starts up and then immediately turns off when the mac doesn't show up.02:05
robinklcuk: OK.02:05
lcukit has instructions i believe02:05
robinklcuk: Only for setting it up with a Mac, and nothing about unpairing it.02:05
lcukheh yeah02:05
robinklcuk: The instructions literally say "Turn the Mac on and follow the on-screen instructions"02:05
lcukthe geniuses looked at tracy like she was an alien when she said my bf wants it for his nokia02:05
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robinkYes!02:07
lcukdon't you mean "Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!"02:07
robinklcuk: I s'pose02:08
robinkOdd, the power light doesn't light after pairing, but the keyboard works.02:08
lcukilluminated light all the time drains battery02:08
robinklcuk: Ah.02:09
* lcuk likes his apple one02:09
qwerty12_N800robink: there's a page dedicated to it: http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/n800/keyboard/02:09
lcukbbiab02:10
robink'k02:10
robinkShould I have gotten a Palm keyboard?02:10
robinkThis keyboard is fantastic and it works, but the Palm keyboard is foldable.02:12
robinkOnly drawback is it has a little stand for Palm devices...02:12
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Nullm0demmy n810 has just developed ans issue with it's default browser.. it hangs with an updating message window and will not resolve  any websites. i can use fenec as well as the usual day to day networked apps. any ideas?02:58
lcukhttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2552602:59
lcukNullm0dem, ^02:59
robink...bit of latency with the bluetooth keyboard03:00
robinkAll keystrokes register, but there's a small delay.03:00
lcukrobink, what apps are you suing it with to get the lag?03:00
robinklcuk: xterm and Notes.03:01
Nullm0demthanks lcuk03:01
lcuki never noticed lag, but then again i run my cpu in performance mode03:01
lcukin the regular ondemand i do notice lots of things aren't "snappy"03:01
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robinklcuk: hmm.  What kind of battery life do you get when you run in performance mode?03:02
lcukno noticable drain unless theres an app behaving badly03:03
robinkReally?  Wow.03:03
robinkI'll try that.03:03
lcukextra drain ^03:03
lcukliqbase includes a gui screen for changing it :)03:03
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t1x_i like liqbase drowing03:43
lcukt1x_ :) http://liqbase.net/liq.20090404_014440.lib.scr.png03:46
robinklcuk: No noticable change, but the latency is OK.03:46
t1x_lcuk: is this a picture?03:48
lcukwhat do you mean03:48
lcukits a .png file..03:48
t1x_i see... i mean how did u made that picture03:49
t1x_?03:49
lcukwith liqbase :)03:49
lcukhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY03:50
lcukt1x_, things have advanced a little since the video :)03:54
lcuki can draw once again now03:54
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t1xim back04:32
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jaemhello folks05:55
derkaiserHI,jaem05:57
* jaem is confused by the multitude of conflicting information on itT about USB OTG for the N81005:58
jaemhas anyone on here actually found and tested a cable that auto-switches the N810 into host mode?05:59
jaemthe forums just go around in circles05:59
tank-manive read about the auto switching cables06:01
tank-manand the info about how to mod one to make it so06:01
tank-manwhat about it?06:01
robinkjeez_away: They work.06:02
robinkoops.  s/jeez_away/jaem/06:04
jaemtank-man: I meant a store-bought one - if I have to buy a new cable anyway, I don't mind paying a bit more for one that works out-of-the-box06:04
jaemI could mod it easily, but heat-shrink doesn't look all that good :P06:05
jaemand there are a fair few different links to store-bought ones, some with people disagreeing about whether they work or not06:05
ShadowJKI just switch it manually with a regular cable06:05
tank-maneven if you want to buy one they are pretty rare06:05
jaemShadow__X: is the switcher applet stable now?  I was going to use it, but last time I tried it, it did Bad Things to my tablet06:06
ShadowJKit worked when I tried it06:06
jaems/Shadow__X:/ShadowJK/06:06
infobotjaem meant: ShadowJK is the switcher applet stable now?  I was going to use it, but last time I tried it, it did Bad Things to my tablet06:06
jaemokay, I'll give it a try06:06
jaemagain06:06
jaemoh great... my junker box's kernel is "attempting to kill init", in revenge for killing one of my hard drives06:09
jaem:(06:09
jaeme.g. it won't boot06:09
ShadowJKlol06:17
jaemoh great... now the RAM has declared a blood feud with the CD drive06:18
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jaemdoes KDE have an Old English translation pack?  this is beginning to sound like a Shakespearean tragedy :P06:19
jaemhey lcuk206:19
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ShadowJKnah, they are too busy flaming eachother06:20
jaemShadowJK: who?06:21
ShadowJKThe group that wants to spell things with 'y' everywhere, and the group that argues that it was just a typographical limitation of the early printing presses that shouldn't be retained in a current day translation when the computers are fully capable of representing the typography used before gutenberg06:22
ShadowJKI just made this up06:22
ShadowJKbtw06:22
* jaem was wondering06:22
jaemit didn't sound terribly coherent06:22
jaem:P06:22
jaemthe Gutenberg press used Unicode, right?06:23
jaemhehe06:23
jaemcheers06:24
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fireunhttp://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/04/nokias-new-website-helps-globetrotters-travel-green.php06:36
fireuncrazy green nokia06:36
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ShadowJKso... I was transfering large files over wlan to my n810 when thevtrransfer stalled...07:14
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ShadowJKthe tablet's wlan was frozen, not responding to pings, yet not realizing it no longer was connectted07:15
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ShadowJKwhen i switched ap with thhe connectivity iicon, something decided to unload and reload the wlan driver07:17
ShadowJKit'd be sorta amusing/scary if nokia had msde icd reload the driver to workaround bugs in it..07:18
* ShadowJK wonders if the opensource onr recovers automatically or if it's worse07:19
neatojonesaloisiojr: Did you get my message the other day on mamona?07:28
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Macerwell.. just recently found out that zimbra jabberd needed a port open to send and receive chat invite requests from gmail08:51
Macernow i don't even need to use my gmail account08:51
Macer:) i just need to work on some skin hackery08:51
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Stskeepsmorning qwerty1210:32
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qwerty12hey Stskeeps10:34
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aquatixgood moaning10:48
qwerty12morning aquatix10:48
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RST38hmoo all10:58
Stskeepsmoo10:58
qwerty12baa RST38h10:58
StskeepsRST38h: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamiedivine/3407849510/sizes/l/10:59
aquatixhaha11:00
aquatixnice one11:00
RST38hSts: Oh yessss11:00
Stskeepsand http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_t6rV3U9ZEHM/SdZooaA4zkI/AAAAAAAASeA/e7nOOJOPaOQ/s1600-h/WaldoIsEverywhere.jpg11:00
Stskeepsfor the most messed up pics of today11:01
aquatixomg11:07
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anders_gudIs pygtk built with numpy in Mer?11:32
anders_gudor numeric?11:32
Stskeepshmm, good question11:32
Stskeepslemme check11:32
Stskeepsit's the package from ubuntu11:32
anders_gudMypaint 0.6.0 requires numpy11:32
Stskeepsit looks like it depends on python-numpy, yeah11:33
Stskeepsat least the build, so i assume it is11:33
anders_gudgreat - then i'll get the Mer sdk and start building :-)11:34
Stskeepsanders_gud: since you're probably nordic based, http://wiki.maemo.org/MozillaMaemoDanishWeekend , if interested11:34
anders_gudStockholm based11:34
Stskeeps(Mer is one of the focus areas too)11:35
Stskeepshehe, what SDK? ;) basically, if it builds on x86 vmdk for you, it will build for armel in our builders11:35
anders_gudslow machine11:35
anders_gudno intel vt11:35
Stskeepsah11:35
Stskeepsyou can also just chroot :)11:35
anders_gudgive me a couple of weeks, or maybe qwerty will get at it before me11:36
anders_gudrecent mypaint that is11:37
Stskeeps*nod*11:37
anders_gudwhen is mer 11 out+11:37
anders_gud?11:37
Stskeepsmonday, but i think the latest image is quite decent11:37
Stskeepsi just cut 50% of ram usage, heh11:38
Stskeepsi forgot to enable the GTK booster :>11:38
aquatixwow11:38
aquatixah11:38
aquatixso, by accident?11:38
aquatixtoo bad :)11:38
Stskeepswell, it was never enabled correctly in Mer11:39
Stskeepsanders_gud: upcoming UI: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtcGhei3cA , ignore the effect slowdowns11:39
anders_gudi'll have a go at it then, is swedish keyboard and fn working?11:39
Stskeepsfn is, swedish keyboard you have to setxkbmap -variant fisenoda or something11:39
Stskeepswe need to make some kind of silly control panel for that stuff..11:39
anders_gudgreat thanks!11:40
Stskeepsi don't have a n810 so i can't do it reliably :)11:40
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Stskeepsqwerty12: Tear was vala-based or?12:08
qwerty12Stskeeps, yeah, vala based12:08
Stskeepsand uses webkit or how is it?12:09
qwerty12But it uses its own webkit12:09
Stskeepsah12:09
qwerty12Either way, it's an improvement as he's been fixing the hildon support and it's a hell of a lot newer than the shit version ubuntu has in jaunty12:09
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Stskeeps*nod*12:10
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lbtJaffa: could you mkdir /data/lbt and chown lbt it for me?12:17
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lbtJaffa: BTW I have spare 1x200+1x300 sata disks if you want them for badger...12:41
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derkaisercan anyone here tell me what is the difference between maemo sdk and sdk+? why we need sdk+,anything special?13:15
Stskeepssdk+ is a new approach, which uses scratchbox 213:16
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Stskeepsand why we need it is because scratchbox 1 is the boogeyman13:16
qwerty12sdk+ is scratchbox 2. Some like it, I find it gives me a headache and prefer sbox113:16
* Stskeeps is really looking forward to OBS getting up and running sanely13:17
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derkaiseroh, 3x~ so the only diff is the version of SB? Maybe I will try sdk+13:19
Stskeepssb1 and sb2 is very different13:19
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derkaiserBTW, I see a SDK+ IDE plugin for Anjuta, is there also a Maemo SDK plugin for Anjuta?13:21
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b0unc3good morning13:55
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Stskeepsmorning wazd13:56
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wazdStskeeps" hey :)13:57
Stskeepswazd: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=277347&postcount=4 <- might be worth considering btw13:57
Stskeepscould be good to have an artwork/ui guy around that weekend13:58
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wazdStskeeps: well, I have some problems with my local army department so I can't leave Russia till I solve them :)14:00
Stskeepswazd: ah, fair enough14:00
wazdStskeeps: don't know exactly how long would it take :(14:01
* Stskeeps is glad he got rejected for army service14:01
wazdStskeeps: well, I'm trying to get my rejection right now :)14:01
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Stskeeps"look! i'm an artist! i don't belong in the army!"? ;)14:01
wazdStskeeps: hehe :)14:02
wazdStskeeps: In fact they can take me in even with my infinite headache and a whole in a heart :)14:02
Stskeepshehe14:02
Stskeepsi just had to show them some pills i was on at that point and the doctor just said "how about we just skip the physical check and say that's that".. :P14:03
wazdStskeeps: well, since pills can't help me, I have nothing to show :)14:03
Stskeepshehe14:03
Stskeepsbut yeah, mandatory conscription here too14:04
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wazdI'm writing a feedback post bout newstyle.maemo.org now14:06
Stskeepsi'm slowly getting ready for 0.11 release of mer14:06
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wazdStskeeps: hehe, Russian community finaly reached mer today :)14:07
Stskeepsgood :)14:08
Stskeepslet's hope that brings some more hands to help out14:08
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wazdStskeeps: nah, I don't think so :)14:08
wazdStskeeps: most of users want to have all and now :)14:08
Stskeepshehe14:08
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Stskeepsyeah.. it's difficult like that14:10
Stskeepsit's easier to feel like contributing to something that you can use day to day14:11
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lcuk2wazd, have you ever seen MASH?14:14
Stskeeps<3 M.A.S.H14:15
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lcuk2well right now i imagine wazd as looking like klinger14:15
Stskeepshah14:15
lcuk2mornin14:16
* lcuk2 offers minstrels around14:16
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wazdWhat's mash?)14:35
wazdWe have a name Masha here, same to Maria :)14:36
Stskeepshttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068098/14:36
wazdjez14:37
lcuk2wazd :D klinger wanted to be out of the army so bad he would wear dresses and do all sorts of strange stuff to show he was mad :D14:37
wazdlcuk2: no, I'm definitely not him :)14:38
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lbtJaffa: you around yet?14:40
wazdlcuk 2 - the judgement day :)14:40
lbt~seen Jaffa14:41
infobotjaffa is currently on #maemo (4d 16h 17m 17s). Has said a total of 35 messages. Is idling for 1d 3h 29m 51s, last said: 'Morning, all'.14:41
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LoCusFis there a way to automatically load kernel modules at boot time?14:42
qwerty12_N800init script14:43
lcuk2qwerty12_N800, have you been doing more bad tagging?14:44
lcuk2http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=27735514:45
qwerty12_N800nope, just the two in that thread *grin*14:45
qwerty12_N800saw14:45
qwerty12_N800the troll was talking from his arse anyway14:45
LoCusFqwerty12_N800: btw compcache is more stabler now on N810, I just compiled the latest svn14:46
qwerty12_N800LoCusF: sweet, I need to try it out sometime :)14:46
lcuk2LoCusF, where does compcahe become useful14:46
lcuk2is there a breakeven point or is it pretty much always14:47
LoCusFqwerty12_N800: I'm updating my post in a moment for the latest modules14:47
LoCusFlcuk2: eg. evince works like a breeze, only on text pdf though14:47
lcuk2what does it change with app - i thought it compressed cache memory stuff, how can that make it faster?14:48
LoCusFits directly in memory, not on some crappy flash14:48
lcuk2but the system runs without having virtual memory turned on14:49
LoCusFyup, this is when normal linux memory management comes in to play14:50
LoCusFit swaps just enough to the compressed memory and then caches the rest (?)14:50
lcuk2so in effect its doublespace for memory itself!14:51
LoCusFnot too sure about that :)14:51
lcuk2heh14:51
lcuk2is it completely transparent to the app?14:52
LoCusFof course14:52
LoCusFits just swap14:52
LoCusFbut its still unstable on N81014:52
lcuk2we should use jpeg compression for memory ;)14:52
LoCusFif it would just work stably, it would be one solution to the inadequate memory issue on maemo in general14:54
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wazdhttp://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/04/04/newstylemaemoorg-feedback-post/14:58
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t_s_o...15:01
lcuk2....15:03
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Stskeepswebmaster fightclub? ;)15:06
wazdI'm not offending anyone :)15:06
Stskeepshehe15:07
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wazdbetter I'll point some of the mistakes and they will be fixed than I'll sit and do nothing)15:07
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Macerdamnit Stskeeps sorry still haven't made it to the po yet.. have it boxed up tho :)15:14
Macerso i guess that's progress.. was going to go yesterday but got sucked into my addiction trying to find out how to customize the zimbra skins15:14
Macerthink i got something usable this time15:15
VDVsxlcuk2, ping15:16
lcuk2pong15:16
* lcuk2 is reviewing proposals15:17
VDVsxlcuk2, your comments are pvt :P15:17
VDVsxscoring = pvt15:17
VDVsxso only the mentors can read15:17
VDVsxlcuk2, you can make one pvt and one public :P15:18
lcuk2i thought now was the time to rate the projects :$15:18
lcuk2so i was doing15:18
VDVsxlcuk2, yes true15:18
lcuk2and i thought private was between myself and the student15:19
lcuk2since its their proposal15:19
VDVsxno15:19
VDVsxpvt -> all maemo mentor can see15:19
lcuk2but the student cant?15:20
VDVsxpublic -> maemo  mentors can see and the student too15:20
VDVsxlcuk2, no15:20
* lcuk2 thinks thats a bit backwards15:20
lcuk2but anyway15:20
lcuk2ill redo them15:21
VDVsxlcuk2, the system is very well designed and intuitive :)15:21
VDVsxlcuk2, just copy and past the pvt commment to a public one15:21
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lcuk2i was doing, its not intuitive if the UI needs balloons and other things to explain and if ui elements only valid in one state are active and visible in all ;)15:22
* lcuk2 quickly sets up a proposal to streamline the UI ;)15:23
VDVsxlcuk2, I was kidding of course, I had a lot of problems with the system too :(15:25
Macerugh. finally got a theme that doesn't suck in zimbra heh15:25
lcuk2heh15:25
Macerhard to come up with the colors15:25
Macerplus i don't know how to change font colors so that extra sucks15:25
* lcuk2 is pleased he can change fontcolors in liqbase :D15:26
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Macerzimbra is getting better and better15:27
Macerthere is just one problem with it15:27
lcuk?15:27
VDVsxlcuk, I gonna eat something :P, any problem/doubt poke me15:27
lcuklol enjoy15:28
lcukMacer, have you seen my liqbase video15:28
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* Stskeeps takes a look at powerlaunch again15:33
lcukcrap, gotta run15:34
lcukbbl15:34
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Stskeepsok15:38
Stskeepshttp://rafb.net/p/Se0ROd25.html15:38
Stskeepswhich is prettier?15:38
Macerno15:38
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Macer2nd one15:39
Stskeepseven with extensive scripts?15:39
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Stskeeps(it doesn't allow line shifts)15:39
Macercouldn't tell you.. i just think it looks a lot more compact from the staring at it perspective15:40
Stskeepsmm15:41
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ccookeHmm. Changed my access point this week, and suddenly battery life on the nokia is down to about 16 hours.15:44
ccookeIs there anything known that would cause that?15:44
aquatixmaybe AP doesn't support energy saving?15:45
joyriderwee it's playable :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDz7XRne-7E  now i just have to figure out a way to not create the 80 original levels by hand :/15:48
aquatixhm, sokoban-tetrix mashup?15:49
joyriderit's actually a remake of gravnix (which is part of puzznic for the nintendo nes)15:49
joyrideri was first goana make the puzznic game but stumbled upon to many problems :/15:49
joyriderso decided to do the gravnic one which is much easier :)15:50
Macerblah. these damn zimbra themes are a fucking pain :)15:54
joyriderwhats zimbra ?15:55
lcukauto translate: <Macer> : Gosh darn it.  The themes for zimbra are overwhelmingly difficult to modify :)15:56
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Macerhaha15:58
Macerjoyrider: collaberation suite.. does email. docs.. file sharing. im. al with a built in interface15:58
joyriderah ok :)15:58
Macerit's kind of like google mail ... well.. more like igoogle i suppose15:58
Maceri am trying to modify the theme to make something a little more custom. then throw the sales pitch to my corperation to deploy it15:59
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Maceri am so disgusted with exchange15:59
Maceri don't understand why people use it15:59
Stskeepsit's called brain damage, Macer16:00
Macerhaha16:01
Maceri would say conformity16:01
* Stskeeps ponders if he'll get lynched for transferring powerlaunch to python16:02
Macerit really is a sickening thing though16:02
Macerthen to get stuck in a meeting about it is like torture16:02
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: just the systemui part, I hope?16:02
Macerwell... our email.. blahblahblah.. exchange... blahblah..16:03
Macerit's horrible16:03
Macerah well.. bbl16:03
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: not mce, but i'm just wondering if it is more feasible in python honestly16:03
Macerplus... when ou have to try to phone walk someone through fixing their outlook... what a waste of life16:03
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: you'll be losing speed as it is16:04
Maceri don't want to bother with that anymore... it is a lot easier forcing the entire co to use a web interface16:04
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Macerit takes a special kind of idiot to not know how to put an address into a browser :)16:04
Macerso that eliminates about 85% of the idiocy16:04
Macerand i will just have to deal with the "15 percenter"16:05
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: yeah.. that is my worry16:05
Macerplus zimbra has the word "collaberate" in its name... the co types can have a 4 hour meeting and wear the word out while i work on it and not go :) i swear some of the stupid shit these people say just make you want to reach over and choke them out just so they would shut up16:06
Macer(end vent)16:06
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wazdhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpD5AWej0Ho16:09
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Macerwell.. last try right here :)16:13
Macerhopefully this does it.... sure wish i could find the font color part.. but that is probably part of the css16:13
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: on the other hand, http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/n810.py.txt vs http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/n810.conf16:28
Stskeeps(that is without any kind of sane parameterisation etc)16:29
Stskeepsi'm aware one is more compact than the other16:29
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qwerty12_N800I still prefer the conf file :)16:31
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Stskeepsmm16:33
* Stskeeps wants to get rid of the current config set though16:35
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qwerty12_N800But anyway, I spend more time using the functionality of mce & systemui than I do editing systemui.xml & mce.ini. I just hope that the speed is decent as I wouldn't really wouldn't want to set up the C one again16:35
Stskeepsyeah16:36
Stskeepsi think it wouldn't hurt with whooping over the architecture a bit really16:36
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infobotgeneralantilles <n=GAN800@2416422hfc34.tampabay.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 22h 5m 12s ago, saying: 'Later all.'.16:48
Stskeeps~seen GAN800016:48
infoboti haven't seen 'gan8000', Stskeeps16:48
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JaffaMorning, all16:57
* Jaffa gets back from anniversary getaway16:57
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lbtwb :)16:58
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lbtJaffa: ping me when you have a minute - I'd like to setup a data area and maybe install 'osc' on badger16:59
Jaffalbt: just seen your msgs from earlier. You should've been able to do it yourself, but requires you to be in the "users" group16:59
lbtOK - I'm not 'messing about' until I get used to your admin rules ;)17:00
mikkov_qwerty12: where did you take despotify source? from http://despotify.svn.sourceforge.net/src/ ?17:01
Jaffalbt: right, if you relog in you should be able to do mkdir /data/lbt17:01
lbtwill do17:01
Jaffalbt: what's osc?17:01
qwerty12_N800mikkov_: from their svn repo on sourceforge17:01
lbthttp://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build17:01
lbtpython wrapper to provide svn like service to obs17:02
StskeepsJaffa: we're doing a lot of experiments with opensuse build service17:02
Stskeepsprobably the next generation of platform building :)17:02
lbt(but I won't be using it to actually build)17:02
mikkov_qwerty12: thanks, just bought spotify account :)17:02
Stskeeps(think of a scratchbox build service that doesn't try to strangle you while building in it)17:02
* lbt isn't so sure - his neck is kinda sore from OBS...17:03
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RST38hso, what does it charge you in then?17:03
RST38hdoes it take your immortal soul or what? =)17:04
lbtyou need C# ... but apart from that it's fine17:04
StskeepsRST38h: OBS (as far as i see it), when cross-compiling, instead of how SB did it, with taking broken user mode emulation and patching it with native packages until it somewhat walks, they actually fixed QEMU user mode emulation, so they start out by user mode emulation of the whole arm rootfs, and then accelerate gcc, m4, bash (and one other)17:05
Stskeepsand it works without a hiss17:05
lbtRST38h: have a look here for my notes http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build17:05
qwerty12_N800mikkov_: hehe, I'm a cheapskate and can only use wine... but when I checked out svn head,  at beginning of this week, only the simple client would build :)17:06
lbtthe   Standalone Project  section is how you'd do it for an -extras type thing17:06
RST38hsts: ah, vice versa to sb17:06
RST38hlbt: I am on a phone right now =)17:07
StskeepsRST38h: yeah, really looking forward to work more with it17:07
* RST38h would really just prefer proper crosscompilation17:08
* lbt points to OBS17:08
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Stskeepsyeah.. but being able to build as you were on a really speedy ARM is good too17:08
lbtpure cross compile won't work17:08
Stskeepsnot until the world gets fixed :P17:08
lbttoo many apps build their own helpers which are needed as part of the build process17:08
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lbthttps://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=home%3Albt%3AMer%3A0.1017:13
mikkov_qwerty12: spotify client works perfectly with wine. do you have the binary for armel because I can't get it compile at all17:13
qwerty12_N800mikkov_: it's a bit sketchy on my computer: it crashes often for me. For armel, compile libao, set ao to use esd output in /etc/libao.conf and edit spotify makefile to use ao rather than gstreamer. also,  I  was compiling the old svn revision 22917:16
qwerty12_N800But, no, sorry, I don't have a readily available binary17:17
mikkov_libao is good starting point, thanks17:18
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lbtJaffa: let me know if you're happy to install osc - if not then I'll try and get it going as a user-install17:24
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Jaffalbt: you should be able to download and compile osc and put it in ~/bin17:25
lbtit's a python and depends on a couple of other python libs17:25
JaffaHappy to install anything via apt-get, and can be persuaded about other things ;)17:25
lbthave a look here for  sources.list info http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build   :)17:26
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Jaffalbt: installed, let me know if you need anything else17:34
* lbt bows down17:34
* Jaffa may start calling in favours for the "Community Council" thread onITT17:35
lbtwhich one?17:35
* lbt is an email/irc bod17:35
JaffaThere's a new "why didn't you vote?" thread, and I seem to have pissed people (in particular penguinbait) off17:35
* Stskeeps is expecting pitchforks in front of council HQ soon17:36
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lbtmy cat is hungry17:41
lbtI think she wants you all to know that...17:42
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qwerty12_N800My cat is outside chasing flies :p17:42
lbtask her to send some to my cat17:43
qwerty12_N800lol, i'll ask, but I dunno if she'll oblige :)17:43
lbtkilgdsazs17:44
* lbt is going to feed his cat17:44
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wazdRST38h: hey17:52
wazdStskeeps: btw, have you decided what style desktop applets will have in Mer?17:52
wazdStskeeps: indefinite like maemo or more like n97?17:52
Stskeepswazd: no, i thought they pretty much make their own layout?17:52
Stskeepsi might be wrong17:53
wazdI just want to make desktop to look clean17:54
lcukwazd, then make clean applets :)17:54
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Stskeepsgive me a mockup :)17:55
wazdlcuk: lots of different 'clean" applets could make great mess17:55
lcukthankfully thats for the user to choose :)17:55
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lcukie if you make a set of your best applet designs and a user decides to put them ontop of a pink cow, thats their choice17:56
wazdWhat I want is not to give user an option "I need some weird mess on my desktop"17:56
Stskeepswazd: we have drag lock, that's a start :P17:56
wazdStskeeps: We should make an easy shortcut addition I think17:58
RST38hwazd: moo!17:58
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RST38hwazd: how are things?17:58
Macerok. think i got it17:58
Maceronce i get home i will start working on a logo17:58
Maceri need to figure out how to edit css files and change it dramatically17:58
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Khertan_n810Hello !18:00
Stskeepslo Khertan_n81018:00
Khertan_n810lo stskeeps18:00
Maceri would love to get rid of the stupid yahoo stuff too18:00
Stskeepsyou saw the call for registration for the danish developer weekend, Khertan_n810?18:00
Khertan_n810the call registration ?18:01
Khertan_n810nope18:01
StskeepsKhertan_n810: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/developer_call_mozilla_maemo_danish_weekend/18:01
StskeepsMozilla/Maemo (+extras)/Mer18:02
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Khertan_n810i mainly see fennec/maemo518:04
Stskeepsyeah - but mer is also a side of maemo :)18:04
Khertan_n810of course18:04
lcukKhertan_n810, i think your gtk performance issues will subside with m5 and the new devices and the hard work you have put in to make them good on this platform will doubley pay off on the new one18:05
Stskeeps(i'm participating, and hope to enlist some people willing to hack for a weekend for Mer as well)18:05
lcukso come to the meeting!18:05
Khertan_n810héhé lo lcuk18:05
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lcuk\o18:06
Khertan_n810but i don t know yet if i ll could come18:06
Khertan_n810i ve already many holiday :)18:06
Stskeepsthere'll be information on sponsorship and so on later i think18:06
Khertan_n810could/can18:06
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Khertan_n810do you think it ll be an important meeting like the summit ?18:13
Stskeepsi think it'll be more about code than about presentations18:13
Stskeepsnetworking, coding and getting things accomplished18:13
wazdRST38h: http://s60.radikal.ru/i167/0904/48/0c63768ad22e.png18:14
wazdRST38h: that's how 160x160 layout looks18:14
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Khertan_n810what do you think of an ui like that : khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot19.png ?18:16
Khertan_n810this is mTodos :)18:16
Stskeepsinteresting18:16
StskeepsKhertan_n810: saw the new mer ui screenshots btw?18:16
Khertan_n810Stskeeps: so it could be interesting18:16
Khertan_n810not yet18:17
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StskeepsKhertan_n810: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/screenshot03.png18:19
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Khertan_n810haha ... No IP ... this look like HomeIP :)18:20
Khertan_n810nice screenshots18:20
Stskeepsand http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-mirage.png18:21
GAN800It seems nothing particularly productive happened over the past two days.18:22
Khertan_n810?18:22
Khertan_n810GAN800 ... are you kidding ?18:23
StskeepsGAN800: ah, the copenhagen announcement came out18:23
Stskeepsso not entirely :)18:23
Khertan_n810PyGTKEditor is now in extra18:23
Khertan_n810:)18:23
GAN800Khertan, sorry, I haven't made it through the builder spam yet. ;)18:24
Khertan_n810haha18:24
Khertan_n810gan i was kidding18:24
GAN800I think I've got 300+ new messages in my inbox18:24
Khertan_n810stskeeps does internet connection by bluetooth phone is working in mer ?18:26
StskeepsKhertan_n810: not yet18:26
Stskeepswell, PAN does18:26
Khertan_n810PAN ?18:26
Stskeepsbasically we need to get blueman acting ok18:26
Stskeepsthere's dial up network and personal area network18:26
RST38hwazd: Yea, I have the same picture at my n810 display, albeit less artsy :)18:27
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RST38hwazd: Let us say, we are not using the strict 160x160 layout. Then could you tell me what your current buttons sizes, step amounts, and the top-left corner offset are?18:28
Khertan_n810mCalendar should work with mCalendar18:28
wazdRST38h: so I think it's fine to make simple 160x160 layout, all will work just as expected18:28
StskeepsKhertan_n810: also started making lists of what would be nice for 1.0, including bundled apps, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Goals/1.018:29
RST38hwazd: I am not particularly dependent on that 160x160 layout, but do need to know your current layout parameters - this way I can adjust the code and it will work more precisely :)18:29
Khertan_n810oh ! mCalendar will be bundled with Mer18:31
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wazdRST38h: I've no special numbers cause I was doing it for 160x160 layout :)18:31
Khertan_n810i see MaemoPad+ ... did you have seen mNotes ?18:31
wazdRST38h: but I can measure18:32
StskeepsKhertan_n810: hmm, not lately18:32
Stskeepsah18:33
Stskeepsyeah18:33
Stskeepsi didn't choose any specific ones yet18:33
Khertan_n810ah ...18:33
Stskeepsthat's part of the copenhagen meetup for mer - that we get closer to 1.0, something that is usable day to day18:33
Stskeepswriting control panels, finding flaws, etc18:34
Khertan_n810if i ask this because i ll ask what do you not like in mNotes :)18:34
Macerargh18:34
RST38hwazd: please do - I tried and found that the steps were irregular18:34
Khertan_n810ah oki18:34
StskeepsKhertan_n810: hehe, didn't make any kind of choice :)18:34
wazdRST38h: I can do even better: http://s39.radikal.ru/i085/0904/de/338f4003c696.png18:36
Stskeepswazd: lack of hello kitty18:36
wazdRST38h: http://i014.radikal.ru/0904/14/10968c5be45a.png18:37
wazdRST38h: you can use 160x160 without any hacks and tricks, it would be 100% usable and precise18:38
wazdI can't imagine a person that can tap on the spac between buttons instead of a button itself :)18:39
* lbt wants to hire wazd for Shopper...18:39
riotVDVsx: btw. i submitted the Chaoss project, but also to the psf (because of pygame) and sdl orgs.18:40
VDVsxriot, ok18:40
wazdlbt: well, as I'm done with Ti calculators (I think :) I can look at the Shopper to see what I can do there :)18:41
lbtooh :)18:41
lbthttp://shopper.garage.maemo.org/18:41
lbtAll my own work!18:42
* lbt sighs18:42
RST38hwazd: The last one is exactly 160x160 per button?18:42
lcuklbt, all your own very hard work!18:43
wazdRST38h: yep18:43
lbtyeah - I had to fight Denise for those colours!18:43
RST38hwazd: looks pretty well to my lame taste18:43
lcuklol lbt, i was thinking the code ;)18:43
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RST38hwazd: lemme reboot and package it =)18:43
lcukcolors are for girls and wazd to choose ;)18:43
lbtheh18:44
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lbti've got to admit obs is getting better as I use it more...18:48
lcukobs?18:49
lbtopen build system from Suse18:49
lbtwe should be using it for Mer RSN18:50
lcukahhh yes ive seen the discussions on it18:50
wazdlbt: well, actually pretty nice!18:50
* lbt blushes18:50
lbtwazd: have you ever used it?18:51
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lbtit's a beast to download 'cos it uses the Qt libraries which are ~19Mb18:52
wazdRST38h: btw, you can use icon from selector as app icon :)18:52
RST38hFinally: http://thatgirlssite.com/2009/03/23/cool-iphone-case/18:52
RST38hwazd: Yes, but with what number? :)18:53
wazdRST38h: Ti :)18:53
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wazdRST38h: nothing on the top, just Ti18:53
RST38hwazd: can you quickly make one in svg? white face, blue top, black "Ti" shown in bold on the face?18:54
RST38h(same simplified svg as before, no shadows, etc)18:54
wazdRST38h: are you planning to make that stuff for symbian?)18:54
RST38hwazd: I am, but this will have to be done from scratch for Symbian :(18:55
RST38hwazd: In the Maemo case, I simply want to generate all three icons from the same source18:55
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wazdRST38h: ok, I'll make one right now18:57
wazdRST38h: 64x64?18:57
wazdRST38h: or 48x4818:57
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RST38h64x64 of course18:58
RST38hor maybe even 88x88, to stay compatible with S6018:59
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RST38h"...Commander Riger for example has developed a intestinal fungus last found on the earth three thousand years ago owing to the absence of any microbes in his gastrointestinal tract.:19:04
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bar_foo255 people here, soon will overflow19:22
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wazdRST38h: ok, the icon has gone to your email19:54
wazdRST38h: tell me if it's crap :)19:54
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crashanddieqwerty12, want to run me through installing mer?19:56
crashanddie:)19:56
qwerty12You flashing it or installing to a card?19:56
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lbtqwerty12: crashanddie - do you want to discuss this here or in #mer ... I wouldn't mind following along :)20:01
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crashanddiesure20:02
crashanddieI'll join #mer20:02
lbtjust in case you've gotten a room somewhere ;)20:02
qwerty12eurgh, with crashanddie? No thanks :P20:02
crashanddiethat's not what you said last time20:02
qwerty12Damn, you remembered :(20:02
crashanddiewell, I was pissed, but apparently I did take notes in liqbase20:03
crashanddieQ is touching my thigh, Q wants me to buy more beer, all that20:03
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qwerty12*facepalm*20:03
lcuki hope you stopped writing soon after20:04
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igagisHi20:57
igagisDoes anyone have a Chinook installed in their tablet?20:58
igagisI would like to ask to test if Theremin will work on chinook20:58
igagisI've just uploaded a chinook version to extras-devel20:58
wazdlbs: ping?20:59
wazdlbt: sorry :)20:59
lbthi20:59
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wazdlbt: well, I can do some stuff for shopper, there are things to get better :)21:03
lbtthat would be appreciated ...21:03
wazdlbt: first of all - icons, they are on the white background and look bad on the other21:03
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lbtthey are all svg's from inkscape21:04
lbtif you want them : http://repo.or.cz/w/shopper.git?a=tree;f=src/data;h=84463cdf8061f16044f8b071e079c709e0dcd9f1;hb=gestures21:05
wazdlbt: Also I think that drag'n'drop feature would be awesome for shopper. Check out Personal menu/launcher configuration to see how it works21:06
wazdlbt: don't know if it's possible with Qt though21:07
lbtit is - not used it yet (bugger to code!)21:07
lbthave you installed/used it at all?21:07
wazdlbt: sure)21:08
lbtit certainly needs a bigish list to get the feel for it21:08
lbtah.... rotten timing :(      dinner is ready... I'll be back soon.   I'm very open to any suggestions though21:09
Macerblah21:10
Macerhad to file another zimbra bug21:10
Macerfor some reason they decided to get rid of the sticky button that i guess they call a "pin" button in their web im client21:10
Macerhow irritating21:10
RST38hWhy are you messing with zimbra anyway?21:15
RST38hIt is just another wiki engine, made by wiki fanatics, for wiki fanatics, sold to wiki fanatics21:15
RST38hi.e. if you are not a wiki fanatic, this thing should exist in a universe completely parallel to ours21:16
wazdRST38h: got my e-mail?)21:17
RST38hchecking21:19
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RST38hgmail seems to be down21:20
inzrst, works for me21:22
RST38hno doughnut here21:22
RST38hAngry British Suburbanites Chase Off Google Car for Fear of Thieves!21:23
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thuxwhat is substitute for /proc/kcore in maemo?21:27
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RST38hwazd: no google is definitely dead :(21:32
wazdRST38h: Intel broke up with Google?))21:33
RST38hwazd: Not that I know of =) Besides, I am at ultranet.ru right now21:34
wazdRST38h: http://lotro.ucoz.ru/ti_svg.svg21:35
mavhchilarious seeing uk people complain about something so old, where were they when google was photographing other countries? or last year when it was photographing half the uk21:36
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crashanddielol... as if it's going to help...21:36
crashanddieIf your house is secure, taking a picture of it isn't going to change that21:37
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RST38hwazd: why brown? =)21:37
wazdRST38h: choose your color :)21:37
RST38hah, brown will probably do...21:38
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wazdRST38h: oh. wait a bit21:38
wazdRST38h: I'll add something21:39
RST38heh...I have just created all the png icons =) ok...21:41
mavhccrashanddie: houses aren't secure though21:42
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crashanddiemavhc, again, that doesn't change the fact that a picture of it will modify that aspect of "houses" in any way21:42
mavhcthey're really into security by obscurity, so much so they got their village on the national news21:43
Stskeepsis it so bad? i mean, i would hate having to turn some of the suburbs into walled suburbs :P21:46
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Stskeepsor big fences etc21:46
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lcukbut people dont want it on record that they walk aorund naked21:47
lcukits bad enough having to wave at the neighbours when they walk past21:47
lcukentirely different to have a photograph of it21:47
Stskeepshehe21:47
RST38hheheh21:47
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RST38hlcuk: They must be hiding this: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-59721:48
lcuk"privacy of your own home" is stuff you dont do in your front window either21:48
RST38hlcuk: sitting at some little cozy plaza in the middle of the neighbourhood21:48
lcukyou are not living in a brothel so dont put public stuff you wouldnt want people to see in public view21:48
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lcuk^private stuff21:49
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lcuk\o hi yerga21:50
qwerty12_N800evening yerga21:50
Stskeepslo yerga21:50
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yergaHi guys ;)21:51
Stskeepsyerga: saw http://wiki.maemo.org/MozillaMaemoDanishWeekend ?21:51
yergaStskeeps, yes I saw it21:51
Stskeepsalright21:51
yergaI can't to do it though21:52
lcukwe dont want you to do it - we just want you there :)21:52
yergaI start my last finals the next week to that weekend21:52
Stskeepsah, yeah, the nasty month21:52
lcukdang!21:52
lcukyou miss a party21:52
lcukdrunken coding is fun!21:52
yergafinally I'll be a chemist21:52
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lcukfun to have on speed dial!21:54
wazdRST38h: http://lotro.ucoz.ru/ti_svg.svg21:58
RST38haha21:59
RST38hpackaged.22:03
RST38hany way to "gray out" TI83+SE, TI84+, and TI84+SE from the menu?22:03
RST38hSo that people could see these are not usable at the moment?22:03
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wazdRST38h: http://s59.radikal.ru/i165/0904/dc/588e11e36b36.png22:11
RST38hwazd: ! thanks !22:12
suihkulokkiugh. looks like iphone. :P22:13
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wazdsuihkulokki: everything in the world looks like an iphone)22:14
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wazdbtw22:15
wazdI can predict how new iPhone would look22:15
wazdthere will be no front button - just a sensitive space22:15
wazdlike on pre22:15
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wazdor maybe not :)22:16
RST38hIt will look like a dark slightly reflective marble ball22:17
RST38hAnd Apple will sell 'em in pairs.22:17
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Stskeepsheh22:19
* RST38h also predicts that the remaining missing part will be designed and manufactured by Microsoft22:21
Stskeepsso, discussion topic: think android would be a sane alternative for netbooks?22:22
RST38hNo.22:23
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Stskeepshttp://andblogs.net/2009/04/android-and-open-source/ <- interesting22:24
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RST38hIn case you have not guessed it yet, Android does not run MS Office :)22:24
Stskeepsalso, it suffers from same issue maemo does, app availability and their own API22:25
Stskeepsbut yeah22:25
StskeepsMS office argument22:25
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suihkulokkithe more realistic and relevant question - how do we get similar hype behind maemo that iphone and android created?22:33
RST38hWhat kind of pgp key does extras require?22:34
RST38hRSA?22:34
suihkulokkiis just about distributing crack to selected journalists in silicon valley?22:34
RST38hsuihkulokki: we don't22:34
qwerty12_N800~upload-extras22:34
infoboti heard upload-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras22:34
qwerty12_N800RST38h: should say it there ^22:34
Stskeepssuihkulokki: a lot of community involvement and passion, word of mouth, people standing by their community developed OS22:34
Stskeepsi mean, look at ubuntu or debian22:34
RST38hDoes not seem to say anything about signing packages22:35
mavhcor look at ubuntu vs debian22:35
qwerty12_N800RST38h: you don't need to sign 'em22:35
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suihkulokkiubuntu is certainly a interesting story22:35
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suihkulokkithe didn't really anything that different from the other distros, but they still managed to gain momentum22:36
mavhcwell, debian wasn't trying to be commercial, and ubuntu gave away free CDs22:37
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Stskeepswb timelE61i22:38
RST38hqwerty: I am not sure, doing binary upload22:38
RST38hit is a bit different22:39
timelE61ihi22:39
* timelE61i got out too late to get decent food22:39
RST38hEnjoy: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/04/ewaste_recycle076_5a.jpg22:39
qwerty12_N800RST38h: ah :(, check the wiki's history, I know for sure it used to have the key type22:39
qwerty12_N800hi timelE61i22:40
StskeepsRST38h: heh. now if i could just hack each one of them.22:40
timelE61ihi22:40
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RST38hFuck. Changed computer, changed SSH RSA key, and guess what? Now I can't upload to extras again =(22:41
RST38hWill have to wait for XFade. Will they EVER fix this problem?22:41
timelE61i:)22:41
timelE61iwhat's the problem?22:42
* RST38h rolls back Garage page updates and reboots to WinXP, disgusted22:42
lcukRST38h, most people have a single ssh key for a period22:42
lcuklike an email address22:42
qwerty12_N800I had to get another invite when I reinstalled ubuntu22:42
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qwerty12_N800because I only use a key for extras anyway, I just backup ~/.ssh & ~/.gnupg22:43
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wazdRST38h: why not just use VM for that stuff?)22:51
GAN800Woo, Grand Prix fun22:52
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RST38hlcuk: Well, I have just changed hardware23:15
RST38hwazd: Hate VMs. Absolutely, positively, definitely hate VMs23:16
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RST38hwazd: Useless crap. Why do I need a VM when I have the real hardware?23:16
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lcukRST38h, so have i but i backup my private keyring (I think anyway lol)23:17
RST38hlcuk: I think ssh keys depend on the hardware23:17
wazdRST38h: well, it saves time :)23:17
lcukbuilding of the ssh depends on the hardware, but not the key itself23:17
RST38hlcuk: So, yes, I could copy a key from the old laptop, but it would not do me any good23:17
RST38hwazd: It does not.23:18
lcukthat sounds very wrong23:18
RST38hwazd: Making maemo.org correctly parse ssh keys saves time, VMs do not23:18
GAN800So, who's got money down on a beta release?23:18
lcuki put money down when i bought my first device23:19
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suihkulokkiRST38h: ssh private keys don't tie on the hardware, you can copy the same key to as many client machines you use23:24
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lbtback now23:31
RST38hsuhkulokki: thanks, if it is true, I will just copy the key from my old r10023:32
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zapAnybody tried to debug anything with threads under gdb on a N8xx? For some reason it doesn't "see" the threads of my app23:36
zap"info threads" displays nothing23:36
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timelE61izap: life suck :)23:37
zapit does indeed, but what does this have in common with threads ;)23:39
zaplife suck, threads don't :)23:39
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MacerRST38h: heh23:51
Maceri'm using zimbra because i like it23:51
Macerit is a little more than just a wiki23:52
Maceralthough i can see the comparison to a wiki23:52
mavhcit's groupware surely23:53
RST38hzap: gdb is a mess23:57
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RST38hzap: among other things, it *may* have some other threads in mind, not the ones you are using23:57
RST38has there are multiple thread apis23:58
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