IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2009-04-01

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StskeepstimelE61i: 'Sorry, an error is causing troubles to send your file.'00:02
Stskeeps(.. in a localization framework)00:02
tds5016anyone know the best way to get video to stream it from the n810?00:03
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RST38hSts: Could you, as a hardcore linux geek, enlighten me on something?00:04
Stskeepsmm, maybe00:04
Stskeepsand i'm more of a unix geek00:04
Stskeepsmy first unix was a SINIX :P00:04
RST38hSts: I have got an embedded Linux install that I want to run my own program on startup, rather than ask for login. How do I approach this?00:04
* RST38h started on CMU Mach00:04
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StskeepsRST38h: inittab stuff, use your program in inittab i guess, or use runlevels..00:05
RST38haha00:05
Stskeepsas in, the login comes from the getty stuff :P00:05
RST38hyea, I know that but do not know where Linux keeps it =)00:06
Stskeepsif they're still on sysvinit, /etc/rc?.d , or /etc/inittab00:06
* Stskeeps should go to bed00:07
RST38hinittab looks like the best place00:07
RST38halso allows me to keep getty on the serial port00:07
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andre__hmm, nobody filing new bugs for me :'(00:15
GeneralAntillesandre__, just wait 'til the beta. ;)00:16
lbtscratchbox00:16
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VDVsxandre__, can I fill bugs about ITT user's :P ?00:17
VDVsxlol00:17
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andre__VDVsx, no, out of scope. and PEBKAC.00:18
lbtandre__:  are you a Qt person?00:19
andre__lbt, nope00:19
lbtthere's a bug right there then :)00:20
lbtheh00:20
lbtI was going to point you at some stuff but no worries...00:20
VDVsxandre__, PEBKAC can be fixed :)00:20
andre__lbt, file a bug :)00:20
GeneralAntilleslol00:21
tds5016anyone know of a tutorail for maemo on how to get access to the camera from C++ or anything like that?00:21
lbtnah, I've been doing some kinetics for Qt-hildon and I want another Qt bod to test them00:22
tds5016I basically need to get the stream, and send it over a socket.00:22
tds5016to darwin streaming server.00:22
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timelE61itDs: the camera is v4l 2 iirc00:23
timelE61iSamples shouldn't be too hard to find00:23
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VDVsxtds5016, I think you can get the camera also through gstream, google should help you00:25
tds5016VDVsx: do you know what I should google for?00:28
tds5016am I just using gstreamer directly? and how would I go about doing that with either C or python or WHATEVER would work?00:28
VDVsxtds5016, found this: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/3963200:29
VDVsxtds5016, HTH00:29
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tds5016thanks soo much100:31
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VDVsxGeneralAntilles, Stskeeps, the nokia camera app is OSS ?00:34
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lcukVDVsx, even if its not which functionality are you wanting to use00:36
VDVsxlcuk, your framework only take photos or have video too ?00:37
lcukphotos only, but i just access gstreamer which does handle movies00:38
lcukie, a standard minimal gstreamer video testing app should give you the functionaluty00:38
lcukhttp://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/3030700:39
lcukhttps://garage.maemo.org/projects/camera/00:39
VDVsxtds5016, loook above00:40
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lcuklol i should learn to read scrollback more than 2 or 3 lines :P00:41
VDVsxlcuk, ehheh00:41
lcuki was distracted by lbt talking about kinetics and thought i had read the whole block00:42
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lcuklbt, lbt, the delay between pressing down and determining no swipe is in progress, what is it in ms00:44
VDVsxlcuk, talking about lbt, I saw her video. Qt seems really promising on the tablets :)00:44
lbt300ms00:44
lbtHER!00:45
lcukyes david (him) has made excellent progress with qt :)00:45
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lbtI think it's 'cos I have Denise on my contacts ;)00:45
VDVsxlbt, sorry :( my english is very rusty00:46
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lbtVDVsx: I forgive you if you install Shopper :D00:46
* lbt needs the hits00:46
VDVsxlbt, already installed00:46
lcuklong tail david :) you have started something00:47
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guysoft422hey, my device seems to reboot if i connect a USB keyboard. i tried this on my old system (that is in the flash card),  and it works ok.. so it seems to be a new bug since i upgraded, did anyone encounter this?00:50
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lcuklbt, mouse down/mouse up, ie click events.  does most of QT work directly on the mousedown00:51
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lbtlcuk : https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/qt-x11/src/gui/widgets/qabstractscrollarea.cpp?revision=460&root=qt4&view=markup00:53
lbtsearch for QAbstractScrollAreaPrivateScroller00:53
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lcukdoesnt help with what im thinking00:54
lcukwhich is related to the other controls within the scrolled area00:54
lcukand how this tweak will effect them00:54
lbtso I store copies of events, eat them and then replay later to the right widget if needed00:54
lcukand its all based on time?00:55
guysoft422how can plugging a usb make the nokia device reboot? is there a way to track why it does that?00:55
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lcukguysoft422, check the label on the bottom of the keyboard, if its obove or near the 100ma MAX available for usb otg, then its probably overloading the system00:56
lcuki had it when i first played00:56
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lcuktry it with a powered hub and tell me if it reboots still00:56
guysoft422lcuk, the keyboard works on the OS that is on the internal flash.. my main system is on the flashcard.. its a cloned version.. i just tried to plug a keyboard here after some months not trying it. and not it hangs00:57
lcuki dunno, perhaps it still has something to do with power consumption, what rating is the keyboard.00:58
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guysoft422lcuk, its not the power, its a software problem.. because it works .. and worked before.. also before it hangs the LED flashed white.. it seems to know it is rebooting01:01
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guysoft422lcuk, more likely its something to do with the hebrew layout i have.. thats a suspicion..01:02
guysoft422far more than power..01:02
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guysoft422but the main problem is i have no way to debug this... i need something to track01:03
lcukthen you know more than me, i can only go on past experience with bt01:03
lcukwith usb ^01:03
timelE61igUys: so01:03
timelE61iCould you please humor lcuk?01:03
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guysoft422lcuk, you might know how to track such an error. thats what i need ..01:04
timelE61iJust because one kernel allocates power a certain way doesn't mean another does01:04
timelE61ibut.. Have you checked dmesg?01:04
timelE61iYou can install sysklogd01:04
guysoft422timelE61i, was there a kernel change the past 3 month01:04
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guysoft422?*01:05
timelE61iKernel would only change w/ releases01:05
guysoft422timelE61i, then its the same kernel01:05
timelE61iAre you using the same release on both?01:05
guysoft422timelE61i, yes01:06
guysoft422i just removed the hebrew package and rebooted, ill test that now01:06
lcukwhile its rebooting flip the kb over and read the rating ;)01:06
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timelE61iaNdre: ping01:07
jaemhey folks01:08
jaemdid you see this on Engadget today? http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/31/researchers-develop-braille-for-vibrating-touchscreen/01:08
andre__timelE61i, pong01:08
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jaemit says they used an N770 for it01:08
guysoft422lcuk, its a flexi01:08
lcukjaem, wow, thats inspired!01:09
* lcuk likes finding new ways to communicate01:09
jaemit doesn't sound like they had to modify the hardware, from what I've read so far01:09
jaemlcuk: me too01:09
jaemit's brilliant01:09
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lcukhas anyone stripped the 770, are the speakers piezo?01:10
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VDVsxjaem, I also saw a video (from nokia) where the guys use some sort of responsive touchscreen on a ITT, dunno if is the same research01:11
lcukfair enough guysoft422, not an answer but since its designed for mobile ill let you off :P01:11
jaemlcuk: it sounds like the screen itself has piezo properties01:11
lcuki want my tablet to shout and yelp in pain if its pressed too hard01:12
guysoft422ok, its not the hebrew..01:12
guysoft422the other suspects that i installed could be the connection manager, and the debian easy chroot01:12
lcukjaem, i bet they modded it01:12
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lcukon the newscientist page they say its in the screen itself: "Nokia 770 Internet Tablet, which has a piezoelectric material built into the touch screen that vibrates when an electric signal is applied to it."01:13
jaemlcuk: that's what I thought, but here's a quote from the NewScientist article: "To display these dots on a touch-screen device, Jussi Rantala of the University of Tampere in Finland and colleagues used a Nokia 770 Internet Tablet, which has a piezoelectric material built into the touch screen that vibrates when an electric signal is applied to it."01:13
jaemlol01:13
jaemoh, I see what you mean - I read it differently than you01:14
jaemI'm trying to find the original paper01:14
lcuktechnically, thats possibly true and would work in inverse, but thats not how the touchscreen is made01:14
lcukA prototype device with a piezoelectric actuator embedded under the touchscreen was used to create tactile feedback.01:14
lcuk^^^01:14
jaemah, okay01:14
jaemlink?01:14
lcukhaptics :)01:14
jaemright01:15
jaemstill, a neat idea01:15
lcukin the header for the ieee thing http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/search/wrapper.jsp?arnumber=476014001:15
jaemI suppose you could program it so you could just tap some text on the screen with your finger, and have it "read" it to you01:15
jaemthanks01:15
timelE61iwE've had demos of those01:15
timelE61iBoth w/ 770s and n800s01:15
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jaemtimelE61i: oh, really?  That particular demo?01:15
timelE61idunno01:16
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timelE61iVarious piezo-s01:16
jaemit's a neat idea01:16
lcukit would help with knowing where you are if done properly01:16
jaemwhat are you thinking of?01:16
timelE61iIt would fail on average01:16
timelE61iWanna use youtube in microb?01:16
timelE61iHave fun01:16
jaem?01:17
guysoft422usb mouse seems to have stoped working too01:17
timelE61iBy the time you're using braille, you need custom apps01:17
guysoft422at least it does not hang01:17
lcuktimelE61i, im thinking for texting without looking ;)01:17
timelE61iSure we could --enable-accessible01:17
timelE61iLcuk: my e61i can do that01:17
lcukboundaries of buttons having a small wall which when stroked over give feedback01:17
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lcukyeah lol01:18
guysoft422usb key works.01:18
jaemlcuk: I've heard of a in-car GPS unit that did that01:18
timelE61iAnd it can speak the replies to me01:18
jaemnot sure if it was production or not01:18
VDVsxjaem, http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-demonstrate-haptikos-haptic-touchscreen-prototypes-088405/ http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-promo-video-shows-haptic-touchscreen-concept-for-2008-188043/ and http://www.redferret.net/?p=953301:18
timelE61iNote that i'm not claiming n810 touch typing01:18
VDVsxand there a video also, can't found it01:18
jaemVDVsx: thanks - I'll take a look01:18
timelE61iThe resistive demos we had and there were a couple...01:19
lcukta vdv01:19
VDVsxjaem, one of the links have a video in a nokia event, but I saw other video with the ITT01:19
timelE61iWere interesting but nowhere near marketable01:19
timelE61iIf someone got braille truly working, that's probably better than what i've felt01:20
timelE61iBut i wouldn't bother01:20
jaem...the usual story - half the fun things arent' marketable :P01:20
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timelE61iI'd argue that users are better served by a companion device01:20
jaemhow is braille traditionally done on computers?  I've never looked into it01:20
VDVsxtimelE61i, but the responsive thing will be marketable soon, IMO01:21
lcukwith hardware01:21
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timelE61iThere's typically a row01:21
timelE61iWhich you read repeatedly01:21
timelE61i"read"=scan01:21
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jaemtimelE61i: linear-actuated pins, then?01:22
timelE61iyEs01:22
jaemhmm... interesting01:23
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timelE61ithink about your average keyboard01:24
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timelE61iBut w/ one more row past the fkeys01:24
timelE61iPerhaps there are no fs (i can't remember)01:24
timelE61iThat row is output01:25
jaemyeah, I've seen pictures - just nothing detailed01:25
timelE61ianyway... Braille in 3space is hard01:25
timelE61iErr 2space01:25
jaemlol01:26
timelE61iyou can try mapping colors to heights if you have decent resolution and algs01:26
timelE61iBut you basically need e.g. A high contrast map01:27
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timelE61iSo mostly it's an outline and very few labels01:27
timelE61iGoogle maps today afaik doesn't really have a format that'd suit this problem01:27
timelE61iSo a browser for google maps couldn't do much for a blind user01:28
timelE61iIf you used tracing algs and then did stuff... Perhaps you could use some sort of shape deforming to give feedback01:29
timelE61iBut ... That's hard :)01:29
jaemtimelE61i: how about topo data from maps on a much higher-resolution pin grid :D01:30
jaemprobably not at all practical, but definitely cool01:31
jaemI could see issues with that01:31
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timelE61iSome things are doable01:32
timelE61iBut again, this isn't something you'd put into standard hardware01:32
timelE61iIt'd be a second unit01:32
timelE61iLike the current keyboard01:32
timelE61ithe costs i'm sure would suck, but ...01:34
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jaemindeed01:35
jaemwell, I should go write up my lab report01:35
jaemcheers01:35
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timelE61iaCtually, one thing...01:37
timelE61iYou don't need high res01:38
timelE61iYou need panning and zoom01:38
timelE61iAs long as the thing is say 3"square and you can zoom in/out and pan easily, the user could pan the real screen01:39
timelE61itechnically your fingers are high res, but practically, it'd be easier to cut a corner there01:39
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* VDVsx thought fini's only get drunk in the weekend's :P01:44
lbtsun's gone down01:44
lbtthey don't know what day it is this month01:44
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timelE61itypically su/mo/tu aren't big nights, but... Bars were open01:45
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lbtnigt all02:01
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fireunthere needs to be a firefox plugin that shows which tabs are hogging resources02:21
fireuntired of having too many tabs and not knowing which is causing firefox to run at 100% cpu02:22
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GeneralAntillesHehe02:22
fireunresource management is tough02:22
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fireunahha! found it.. stupid discovery.com running a scrolling text banner, in flash.02:33
fireunyeah, that was worth it.02:33
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tank-manusually it is a page with flash eating the cpu02:37
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bolaumhello guys! is there a way to check out just canola player?03:10
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bolaumok, found it...03:14
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lopzgood night05:42
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fireunhttp://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/03/greenpeaces-latest-green-gadget-guide-knocks-down-hp-lenovo-dell.php05:55
fireunyay nokia05:55
luke-jrpfft, "green" wackos05:57
fireunpfft, wackos05:58
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rbarneshello? anyone awake?06:16
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torkianommmm07:18
torkianoseems that new maemo page is coming07:18
torkiano:)07:18
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Mouseyanyone got some good 4/1 links yet?07:56
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RST38h"In less than an hour, SCP-705 had taken control of the Mr. Coffee machine, declaring independence and control over the region. The assault was routed when Dr. Rights brushed them away from the burner, resulting in massive casualties and a complete rout. Interviews with SCP-705 remark on this day with great fear and resentment."10:07
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RST38hmoo qwerty10:08
qwerty12baa RST38h10:09
StsN800morning qwerty1210:10
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qwerty12hey StsN80010:10
RST38h"Sanctions were put in place to prevent multiple instances of Dr. Bright from being created to prevent Dr. Bright from collaborating with himself, it was found this was not needed. It seems Dr. Bright cannot stand himself, and takes some glee in terminating duplicate cases of himself."10:11
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* StsN800 is dragging himself to work/his office10:11
StsN800RST38h, i would probably not collaborate well with clones of myself either10:12
StsN800morning qgil10:13
RST38hSts: ""Yes, we all find it funny to stick Dr. Bright in female bodies, however, he has come to adapt to them rather too well, as proven by the happy birthday song he performed for Dr. Clef ala Marilyn Monroe. This adaptability is why we have a chimpanzee on hand for his next transfer."10:14
StsN800hehe10:14
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qwerty12Out of the goodness of your heart?10:43
JaffaMorning, all10:43
qwerty12morning Jaffa, lcuk10:43
Stskeepsqwerty12: well my boss isn't here. oh right. im going to prepare for my masters thesis meeting on friday :P10:43
qwerty12hehe10:43
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Stskeepshttp://kuvaton.com/kuvei/revolting_door.gif <- jesus christ10:46
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RST38hthat is jesus christ in action indeed10:48
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b0unc3good morning10:56
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qwerty12Grr, what is it with Maemo apps requiring two mime_open dbus calls to open a file :(11:02
Stskeepslibhildonmime?11:02
qwerty12Oh, I'd happily use osso_rpc_run if I could (that works) but I need to be able to do it from command line11:03
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Myrttibwhaha11:22
Stskeepsmorning Myrtti11:23
StskeepsMyrtti: thank you for inspiring me to make oatmeal :P i forgot how good it tastes11:23
Myrttioatmeal ♥11:23
Myrttiwhich reminds me that I actually have butter now and could make oatmeal with a dollop of it11:24
Stskeepsmy fiancee makes it with pumpkin stuff at times too11:25
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MyrttiI usually make it with apple sauce, flaxseed and sugarbeet flakes11:25
Stskeepsflaxseed is such a sci-fi word11:26
Stskeeps:P11:26
lcukmornin qwerty12 \o11:26
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Stskeepsmorning GA11:43
GeneralAntillesHowdy11:43
GeneralAntillesOK, itT fails at April Fools11:46
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Stskeepsah, but some of them were a bit funny :P11:46
GeneralAntillesNot very creative, though.11:46
Stskeepsmaemo on iphone using vmware is actually plausible somewhat11:46
aquatixexcept that vmware doesn't run on arm hardware?11:47
Stskeepsaquatix: you didn't see the vmware video?11:47
aquatixapparantly not :)11:47
Stskeeps(i'm not pulling your leg on this one)11:47
* aquatix should check itt11:47
aquatixStskeeps: you have a link?11:48
Stskeepshttp://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n800-runs-android-in-vmware-video-demo-2635750/ , first video11:48
aquatixthanks11:48
Stskeeps(this is old news, so not aprils fools :P)11:49
aquatixheh, neat11:49
aquatixmissed that one11:49
aquatixick, wince 6.0 on a n800 :P11:50
Stskeepshehe11:50
Stskeepsjesus, they claim it's going to jump to 18 C on saturda11:51
Stskeepsy11:51
qwerty12Warm weather in a Nordic country? :O11:51
Stskeepsyes11:51
Stskeepswell, denmark can hardly be defined as nordic with the lack of snow we have, but yeah11:51
Stskeeps:P11:51
qwerty12hehe11:51
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mgedminI saw snow on two separate occasions in Denmark when I stayed there for 5 months!11:57
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Stskeepsyeah, we have it but hardly as much as sweden/norway/finland :P11:57
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, thanks for looking at Transifex12:02
GeneralAntillesI was wondering what the disadvantage were.12:02
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: i really had higher hopes for it12:03
GeneralAntillesYeah, don't seem so good. :\12:03
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Stskeepslooking at bit at Pootle12:05
GeneralAntillesIt seems a bit early to be error-finding on newstyle12:06
GeneralAntillesA lot of duplicated reporting effort is going to happen.12:06
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GAN800Godawful docs on pootle12:18
Stskeepsyeah, transifex isn't much better12:18
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GAN800I wonder where the en_US l10n for their docs is located. ;)12:19
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floriangood morning12:21
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yergamorning12:38
X-Fademorning yerga.12:44
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* lcuk oooohs13:04
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rmtHmm.. what evince needs is a way to automatically crop whitespace in PDFs before resizing to the page..13:27
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* lardman wonders what lcuk is ooooo'ing at?13:28
X-Fadelardman: probably bacon?13:30
lardmanmmmm :)13:31
lardmanI wonder if the email I just got saying my savings rate was going down, yet again, was an April Fool's joke...?13:31
lardmanprobably not though13:32
qwerty12Given the current state of things, I don't think it's in a bank's best interest to joke :)13:34
lcuklardman, yes, bacon - lots of bacon13:37
lcukim gonna setup a new economy,  based on the bacon standard13:37
lcukbut im not here13:37
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lardmansounds like he's been breathing in too much bacon fumes :)13:40
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Macergood morning14:30
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Stskeepsmorning14:30
MacerStskeeps:  going to try to get to the usps tomorrow14:30
Stskeepsalright14:31
Macerno sd for you tho =)14:31
Maceryou dont need the charger?14:31
Stskeepsgot a couple at home14:31
Stskeepsand plenty of sds14:31
Macerok14:32
Maceri will try to box it today and ship it tomorrow.14:32
Stskeepsk14:32
Macerhopefully it makes it there ;)14:32
Stskeepsmy own N800 was bought from US, so i can't use the warranty, heh14:32
Maceryou cant ship it to the nokia in europe?14:33
Stskeepsnot according to some posts at iTT14:33
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Macerthat sucks14:33
Stskeepsi would have bought it in .dk but the place i tried, tried to fraud me14:33
Stskeepsand the owner sounded like a drug addict when i phoned them14:34
Macerwell. this one is in good shape14:34
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Macerno scrolling screen =)14:34
Stskeepshad to get my bank to pull back the credit card payment14:34
Macerlol14:34
Macerdamn drug addicts14:34
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Macernexenta is kicking ass as a server14:34
Stskeepslcuk_homeless: .. homeless? your home lost internet again? :P14:35
Macerstill have to set up bind but was too lazy yesterday14:35
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Stskeepsi'm quite happy with it as a file server14:35
Maceryah. i was going to make it a monolithic server14:35
Macerrunning all the services except the firewall14:36
lcuk_homelesslol Stskeeps yeah shes doin google streetview14:36
lcuk_homelessbein nosey14:36
* lcuk_homeless waves at tracy whos on my pooter14:36
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Macerbut 100MB/s ... you cant beat it14:37
Macerraid and gbit are screaming.14:37
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aquatixMacer: :)14:40
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* lcuk_homeless stares in wonderment at the 18000 lines of code in liqbase14:41
* lcuk_homeless needs to run same report on the new framework14:43
lcuk_homelesshopefully there will be less ;)14:43
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VDVsxah, April fool's day, so many good news around :P14:49
aquatixmaps.google.com/cadie14:49
aquatixcadie rules14:50
* lcuk_homeless fell for the pirate bay takeover 14:50
lcuk_homeless:|14:50
aquatixnowai14:50
aquatixlcuk_homeless: that one was obvious ;)14:50
lcuk_homelesshell yeah :$14:50
aquatixalso, 13.37 billion or something right?14:50
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lcuk_homelessonly for the 30 seconds or so14:50
aquatixor million, whatever14:50
aquatixghehe14:50
lcuk_homelessyeah yeah, too much goin on to remember what day it was14:51
lcuk_homelessi shouldnt have gotten out of bed14:51
VDVsxIn french, but is a good one :P: http://openmoko-fr.org/blog/index.php?post/2009/04/01/iPhone-OS-port%C3%A9-sur-le-Neo-FreeRunner-!14:52
GeneralAntillesIt is some kind of wet outside.14:52
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* VDVsx Rolls in the floor after saw pirate bay website14:55
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lcuk_homelessi didnt get it directly from piratebay, by the time i got there i knew14:56
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VDVsxlcuk_homeless, the press release is very good too, lol14:57
lcuk_homelessyeah i just saw14:58
lcuk_homelesshopefully a proper one14:58
lcuk_homelessan app for x60 to identify stuffs from pictures14:58
lcuk_homelesshttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/01/nokia_point_and_find1/14:58
lcuk_homelessbarcoding without the barcodes14:59
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Stskeepslcuk_homeless: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/squeez-bacon.html?cpg=93H15:00
lcuk_homelessStskeeps: aint that a ripoff from http://www.baconnaise.com/15:02
Stskeepsprobably15:03
* lcuk_homeless pulls that link from favorites15:03
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lcuk_homelessi suppose those since its in a squeezybottle it would be more useful15:03
lcuk_homelessits a bit tiresome to have to use a spoon to eat it15:03
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aquatixlcuk_homeless: just squeeze it into your mouth?15:08
lcuk_homelessyeah, you think i would waste it on anything else?15:09
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lcuk_homelessserious q: whats the biggest maemo device people anticipate us having/using?  does maemo only work in the handheld formfactor or should it be used on desktops and stuff15:13
GAN800What do you mean by 'Maemo'15:14
GAN800I mean, it's a little underfeatured for proper desktop usage15:15
GAN800and all of the advantages Maemo has really become liabilities using it on a desktop.15:16
VDVsxlcuk_homeless, I want maemo in my fridge and toaster :P15:16
* VDVsx hide15:16
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lcuk_homelesskinetic toaster!15:16
* aquatix would defenestrate his toaster15:16
lcuk_homelessVDVsx: thats technically not a bad thought though, a simple touch based ui on the fridge to help manage shopping lists and stock quantities etc would be nice15:17
aquatixforce feedback!15:17
lcuk_homelessmake it sync with your real handheld15:17
Stskeepslcuk_homeless: heh, my plan is to have Shopper on a 770 glued on the fridge, when we move to poland15:17
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Stskeeps:P15:17
lcuk_homelessuse barcode scanner as you put stuff in and ouy15:17
lcuk_homelesst15:17
lcuk_homeless:) Stskeeps good15:17
lcuk_homelessas long as the original 770 owner doesnt ask for it back15:18
lcuk_homeless"umm why is there a fridge attached to the back"15:18
lcuk_homelessand why does it contain mouldy food15:18
Stskeepsbut to answer your question: i'm not sure hildon is so good on traditional netbook stuff, like, without touchscreen15:19
lcuk_homelessi agree and gan is right as well15:19
lcuk_homelessour cutdown interfaces arent reasonably practical yet15:19
Stskeepson something like touchbook though15:19
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Stskeepswhich is why i think android on HP netbooks sound insane15:19
lcuk_homelessbut the idea of consoles on larger devices is great15:19
lcuk_homelessif you can shutoff the android frontend arent you left with a standard linux though15:20
Macerhm. they dont have an rtorrent port for nexenta15:20
Stskeepslcuk_homeless: busybox linux, heh15:20
lcuk_homeless:D15:20
lcuk_homelessits got root, what more do you want15:21
lcuk_homelessby the way, completely offtopic, could i use one of my crappeh laptops with some variation of linux to act as a proper router15:21
lcuk_homelessso i can make gan happy15:22
Macerlcuk_homeless: just get a wrt15:22
Macertheyre like $2015:22
Macer=)15:22
lcuk_homelessbut i have a craptop here doing nothing $0.0015:22
Macertrue15:23
Macerany linux can be a router =)15:23
Stskeepsinz: weird question, but is there a l10n set for osso-xterm?15:23
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* lcuk_homeless will consider opening the pursestrings one day, but it takes 5 meetings 27 forms and a note from my mum15:23
lcuk_homelessactually, im still owed a birthday present15:24
lcuk_homeless:)15:24
lcuk_homelessill bb later15:24
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Stskeepsthere's nothing like a work day where you spend most of it scratching your head and wondering what to write as a TOC for your thesis.. and then realizing the reason why you're horribly unimaginative regarding is that you already did it 6 months ago15:28
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MacerStskeeps: do you only use nexenta as a fileserver?15:31
Stskeepsfileserver, ssh, screen+irssi, apache server15:32
Stskeepssmb15:32
Macerhave you tried xen?15:32
Stskeepsit didn't work for me sadly, but if you get it working, do tell me15:32
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Macerok15:34
Macerxen is like.. vmware isnt it?15:34
Macerjust runs virtual machines in opensolaris?15:35
Stskeepsyeah15:35
Maceryou need x for that?15:35
Maceror does it have a vi type of client?15:35
Maceri will work on it when i get home today15:36
Stskeepsit is command line based15:36
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Macerhm15:37
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ElPolloXen is paravirtualisation for linux. (not sure about solaris). Since it's paravirtualisation, you'll need to patch your guests.15:39
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GAN800timeless, what in the world does voting have to do with scheduling a Sprint meeting?15:42
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StskeepsMacer: http://www.vanjalolz.com/?p=9915:44
Stskeepsalso possible15:44
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LoCusFhas anyone built compcache for n8x0?15:45
Stskeepshmm, no, but i wouldn't mind seeing it15:46
Stskeepsbe aware we're on a 2.6.21 kernel15:46
Stskeepsand not so speedy processor15:46
StskeepsMacer: now imagine a virtualbox vm with ZFS as backing storage, heh15:48
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lcukStskeeps, you could still use it - on the description page it specifically targets embedded devices etc15:57
Stskeepsmm15:57
lcukit must use a low grade compression (like dropping all binary 1s)15:57
LoCusFits lzo15:57
lcuknot so useful for daytoday access, but if you want 2 VMs15:58
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lcukLoCusF, does that compress better than my algo?15:58
_berto_we need this in the N8x0 browser: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkNxbyp6thM15:58
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LoCusFlcuk: well I don't know your algo :)15:58
lcukdrop the binary 1s,  its lossy but you should be able to reconstruct the data by looking at where the gaps are15:59
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inzStskeeps, it's not really my responsibility anymore, but at least when it was, there was no l10n support16:11
Stskeepsalright16:11
StskeepsMacer: virtualbox works for me :)16:14
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Stskeepshttp://www.unwiredview.com/2009/04/01/nokia-verizon-superman-phone-to-feature-new-nokia-linux-os-snapdragon-cpu-and-more/ <- dear god16:32
Stskeepseven if this is a a april fools joke, the ui is kinda weird :P16:33
Maceri need to read up on xen16:34
StskeepsMacer: virtualbox seems to run just fine too16:34
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JaffaStskeep: it is an April fool: see the link for "Superman Prevails" (which a) isn't the next Superman film (it's "The Man of Steel" and b) isn't part of a triolgy16:35
MyrttiStskeeps: :-O16:35
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StskeepsJaffa: hehe, yeah16:35
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Stskeepsthe concept ui however ;p16:36
VDVsxStskeeps, ah symbian os in the phone, poorly credible , lolol16:36
lcukStskeeps, in "Lexx" there was a pair of planets similar i think, that look pretty though, certainly eyecandy to get you interested whether or not its practical16:36
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Stskeepscombine with map stuff ;P16:36
Stskeepsyou can call your friends if you can find them on this 3d rendering!16:36
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lcukits very wasteful of space though unfortunately, certainly good to see alternatives to lists and grids16:37
Stskeepsbtw wasn't last.fm supposed to have cut off my country today? :P16:37
MacerStskeeps: in nexenta?16:37
StskeepsMacer: yup16:37
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Macerive never used vbox16:37
Stskeepsit's decent16:38
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lcukits not cutoff, itsj ust started automatically billingyour credit card, with the usage from EWVERY user in your country16:38
Macerjust another vmware wannabe?16:38
lcuk-typos16:38
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StskeepsMacer: i actually like virtualbox over vmware16:38
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Macerso isnt that what you wanted?16:40
Macervirtualization?16:40
Stskeepsyeah16:40
Stskeepsso i'm happy16:40
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Maceroh16:42
Macerxen is a hypervisor like esx16:42
Macerscrew that :)16:42
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MacerStskeeps:  you have information on installing vbox in nexenta?16:45
Maceror is it just a download install run thing?16:45
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Stskeepsdownload http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/2.1.4/VirtualBox-2.1.4-42893-SunOS.tar.gz , untar it, cp /usr/sun/bin/pkgadm /usr/bin16:45
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StskeepsSUN_PERSONALITY=1 pfexec /usr/sun/sbin/pkgadd -G -d VirtualBoxKern-2.1.4-SunOS-r42893.pkg16:46
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Stskeepsand SUN_PERSONALITY=1 pfexec /usr/sun/sbin/pkgadd -G -d VirtualBox-2.1.4-SunOS-r42893.pkg16:46
Stskeepsand bam, it's there :P16:46
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Macerthat easy?16:49
Macerdoes it require X?16:49
Macerive never used it16:49
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Macerit supports vmware vdisks. wow16:49
Stskeepsit can export display over RDP16:50
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LoCusFvmware disk support means maemo sdk support :)16:52
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LoCusFhttp://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ <- I mean this16:53
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LoCusFgotta try to compile compcache today16:58
* VDVsx start searching for a summer internship abroad16:59
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Macer_going to try to install virtualbox17:28
Macer_will be awesome if it works17:28
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Macer_Stskeeps:  you need X for vbox?17:34
Macer_it liiks like vmware workstation17:35
Macer_oh. you said it exports display over rdp17:35
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Macer_well. i downloaded it.. im installing it now17:36
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Macer_wtf17:44
Macer_ld.so.1: pkgadd: fatal: libssl.so.0.9.7: open failed: No such file or directory17:44
Macer_i have libssl.so.0.9.817:44
Macer_how lame17:44
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wazdhello world17:47
Stskeepshello wazd17:48
wazdWhy not everybody discussing new Nokia tablet?17:49
Macerugh.. i cant downgrade with aptitude?17:49
wazdhaven't seen the announcement?17:49
Stskeepswhich one of the many april fools jokes? ;)17:49
StskeepsMacer: i think i might have an earlier version than you17:50
wazdI'm getting old :(17:50
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RST38hmoo wazd17:50
RST38hwazd: where have we stopped last time?17:50
wazdRST38h: hey, I asked you if you can draw simple layout in paint, to show where buttons should be17:51
MacerStskeeps: i need to figure out how to fix this17:52
Maceri cant install vbox17:52
RST38hwazd: Ah, that is simple, a moment17:52
Macerbecause my libssl is too new? =) what kind of shit is that?17:52
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Jaffawazd: Too busy keeping track of the riot 300m away from me outside the Bank of England, and the peaceful protest 100m at Climate Camp17:53
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LoCusFMacer: ln -s /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.8 /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.717:54
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MacerLoCusF: thats what im doing now17:55
Macerhow ghetto17:55
RST38hwazd: to what email should I send it?17:56
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wazdRST38h: drew.zhilin@gmail.com17:56
RST38hNo "an"?17:56
wazdRST38h: yes :)17:57
wazdRST38h: an was busy (17:57
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RST38hwazd: emailed!17:58
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wazdRST38h: jeez)))17:59
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RST38hyes, I know =)18:00
RST38hthe touchpad is not the best drawing tool18:00
MacerInstallation of <SUNWvbox> was successful.18:01
Macerneat18:01
Macerwill try to use it when i get home18:01
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VDVsxStskeeps, I want this on Mer: http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2009/03/introducing-google-brain-search-for.html :P18:33
StskeepsTuesday, March 31, 2009 11:34 PM ? ;)18:34
Stskeepsbut yes, i really would want that :P18:34
Stskeepswhen there is feasible and tested brain implants for information lookup, i'm in.18:35
VDVsxlol18:35
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aquatixqwerty12: no worries, scanning another's brain isn't allowed18:38
* aquatix heads home18:39
aquatixciao18:39
* qwerty12 burns it18:39
qwerty12:)18:39
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ShadowJKhm, my N800 has marginally better headphone output than my N81018:45
mgedminmy sennheiser headphones have noticeably louder output than my N810's bundled ones18:46
ShadowJKyes18:46
mgedminbut a shorter plug18:46
Pavlovthe N810 comes with headphones?18:46
ShadowJKPavlov, yes18:46
mgedminit comes with a headset actually18:46
mgedminwith a builtin mic and a button18:46
Pavlovi don't think i've ever actually plugged in headphones to my n81018:47
Pavlov(s)18:47
ShadowJKthe ones that came with my N810 are still in the plastic bag unopened i think18:47
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mgedminthat is the right place for them :-)18:47
ShadowJKTo make the volume not kill my eardrums, I have to move the slider to 0, than tap + once18:47
mgedminwhoa18:47
mgedminmy music is usually too silent18:48
mgedminespecially if you're listening to something on a bus18:48
ShadowJKThere's quite alot of noise in the output, like, when playing silence the noise through headphones is louder than the noise of my quad core computer :P18:48
ShadowJKI really hope they'll improve the headphone output for "N900" :)18:48
mgedminthe n900 will probably have 3d sound18:49
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ShadowJKhey this is funny, embedded in the noise is also electrical noise from the touchscreen18:49
ShadowJKLike, I tap on the volume control to keep the audio output active, and then there's a square-wave type noise underneath the white noise when I move stylus on screen18:50
ShadowJKdoesn't seem like the CPU is leaking through any noise though18:51
ShadowJKno touchscreen leakage on my N81018:53
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ShadowJKThe background noise is maybe 3dB louder and more brownish though18:54
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* RST38h knows for sure that n900 will use perforated tape for the swap19:07
RST38hwazd: was that ..mmmm.... sketch sufficient? =)19:07
RST38hActually, tape makes perfect sense: it is cheap, abundant (just slice toilet paper rolls), has got that highly sought 60s feel, has unlimited capacity (just glue some more tape and you are done)19:10
RST38h+ you will have the complete backup of your system state for any point in time - how many current devices can boast that? I BET even mighty Palm Pre can't do that with its HTML OS!19:11
mgedminah, but I bet it wears as badly as flash memory19:11
RST38hOnly if you use it improperly19:12
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riothiya19:12
Stskeepswello19:12
lizardohi all, Is X-Fade the only guy with permissions to fix autobuilder problems ?19:12
riotis there any good n810-compatible mount for bikes?19:12
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qwerty12lizardo, libobd? I think the autobuilder is fine but your version number not19:14
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lizardoqwerty12: the package is not mine :) but it entered in a infinite loop I think19:14
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qwerty12ah :)19:15
qwerty12Well, having had that experience recently... :)19:15
lizardoqwerty12: that is the autobuilder chokes on it but keep selecting it ... :(19:15
lizardoI think some "try: ... except:  [remove package from queue] "  is missing on the autobuilder code ;)19:16
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wazdRST38h: yep, totally)19:21
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lizardoqwerty12: now libobd "infected" builder1 ... that remembers me of that Apr 1st windows virus hehe19:25
qwerty12Lol, poor builder, it's had a tough time recently :P19:25
qwerty12chinook builds still seem to be working though :)19:26
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lizardoqwerty12: not for long, now it only remains builder3 active, soon it will select the libobd package too...19:27
qwerty12heh :/19:28
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Stskeepswello19:31
sampolink on this page to maemo 5 api references still points to a pre alpha api documentation... someone could fix it to point to alpha api references page19:31
sampohttp://maemo.org/development/documentation/apis/19:31
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wazdRST38h: something like this? http://s54.radikal.ru/i143/0904/81/81da46196eb8.png19:34
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Stskeepswazd: omgifone19:36
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wazdStskeeps: well, that was the goal I suppose)19:38
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VDVsxsampo, fill a bug report about that issue19:39
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sampoVDVsx: will do19:41
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lcuk"<mgedmin> the n900 will probably have 3d sound"    < marius?20:02
mgedminyes?20:02
* mgedmin wonders if lcuk has a calendar somewhere in the room20:02
lcukis that a "the n900 will have kitchen sink" kinda posting, or practical and in the stack?20:02
lcuki do actually20:03
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mgedminmore of a "the UI is 3D, therefore it should have spatial sound effects"20:04
mgedmin* plug in your 5.2 speakers into the headhone jack for full experience20:04
mgedmin(not included in the box)20:04
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RST38hwazd: Yea, that is it20:05
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RST38hwazd: I do think that we can place an app name and credits at the empty space20:06
lcukmgedmin, the ding comes from the far left if thats where the UI element is placed kinda idea?20:06
lcuki have to go, but thats intruiging20:06
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* mgedmin thinks it's a *great* april 1st idea20:07
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RST38hmgedmin: Have you already come up with 5.2 headphones?20:10
ShadowJKmaybe it'll have enough CPU to run mplayer -af hrtf20:10
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wazdRST38h: what should I write in credits?20:28
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wazd I have 5.1 headphones, but they have 3 jacks :)20:29
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wazdthopiekar: hey20:40
thopiekarwazd: hi :D20:40
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wazdRST38h: http://s56.radikal.ru/i154/0904/da/b30097778749.png <- well, most obvious text :)20:40
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thopiekaraaah wazd i'm using TI-emu at school but I have no clue how to use it.. these funktions like making a funktion of 3 points and so on..20:42
RST38hwazd: Actually, I have one suggestion :)20:43
wazdRST38h: hm?20:43
RST38hwazd: Let's remove nicknames (a few aging snobs like I am slowly becoming may consider them childish) BUT insert URLs instead =)20:44
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ShadowJKhm20:45
wazdRST38h: ah, ok)20:45
ShadowJKmy newly acquired used N800 has been bitching about low battery now for about 3 hours20:45
Stskeepsyeah, they're crybabies like that20:45
wazdRST38h: I thought nicks would be ok for finding us on forums'n'stuff20:45
ShadowJKI hope when it eventually dies batmon/bme/whatever has revised values20:45
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Stskeepswb GA20:46
ShadowJKLooking at ftd-bme, there's significantly higher voltage drop under load than with my N810, though N810's battery is just a year old or so.. dunno about this N800... yet, bme on N800 thinks the battery there has lower impedance, weird20:46
ShadowJKlower than on N810, that is20:46
GeneralAntillesLong and rainy drive20:47
RST38hwazd: You do not want people find you in the forums, you want them find your web page :)20:48
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ShadowJKah now it shutdown20:50
RST38hwazd: Mine is http://fms.komkon.org/20:51
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wazdRST38h: orly :)20:51
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* GeneralAntilles sighs at itT20:56
GeneralAntillesWhere did we go so wrong.20:56
lfelipeGeneralAntilles: when the canola specific forum was merged into the multimedia one ?20:56
lfelipe:PP20:56
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GeneralAntillesI guess I shouldn't be surprised that so many "involved" people never step foot outside of itT, but so it goes.20:58
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Stskeepswell i guess it's the difficulty of the fact it wasn't really a community that started from scratch and had some tangible product that they worked on, which allowed contributions by strangers, etc.. i dunno21:01
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Stskeepsthat's what i hope the maemo community will turn into though21:02
* RST38h politely reminds concerned persons that one should not expect "people" to behave exactly as one wants them to behave21:04
GeneralAntillesGoddamn a 15" laptop is huge after you've spent the better part of a month using an 9" one21:04
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GeneralAntillesRST38h, clearly.21:04
* RST38h adds that trying to coerce people into a certain behavioral model usually leads one to ruin21:04
GeneralAntillesWho's coercing?21:04
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RST38hSo, don't sigh at iTT, find a way to use the iTT the way it is21:05
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mikkov_X-Fade around?21:06
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RST38hGeneral: Nobody does, just making a general comment based on my previous experience21:08
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wazdRST38h: http://i057.radikal.ru/0904/0f/84ea65b8f955.png21:09
RST38hNow, could some bright linux mind enlighten a lesser light like myself on how to TURN OF THE FUCKING FB CURSOR before the kernel boot logo is shown?21:10
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RST38hwazd: Yep, that is it, perfect!21:10
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RST38hwazd: Integrating into the package.21:10
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wazdnow I need to fix faceplates21:11
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RST38hwazd: one to create (thankfully, it is similar to ti83 in overall shape) and one to fix21:12
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RST38h...and I think there is a slight problem of a calculator "completing" shutdown when you switch to it, if it was previously quit via shut-down key sequency21:13
RST38hbut I will let users sort this out and release an update later :)21:13
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Macerwell21:25
Macerjust waiting to go home and try this damn vbox21:26
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sampoim trying to build my app in fremantle sdk but i keep getting "error: redeclaration of enumerator" errors... what could cause this? is it the newer GCC ?21:31
Stskeepspossible21:32
Stskeepsgcc4 is a little bitchy compared to gcc21:32
Stskeeps321:32
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sampoStskeeps: should i set some "stop bitching" flag ?21:33
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Stskeepssampo: don't redeclare enumerators :P21:33
sampoStskeeps: :)21:34
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sampoStskeeps: hehe there actually was a typo in code... i never got that error in diablo21:37
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* RST38h solved the problem by disabling FBCON driver21:44
RST38h[satisfied] KILL.21:44
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tds5016hello all. How would I install this? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vpnc-gui/ it looks like it just uses a repo...21:50
tds5016but how do I add the repo on maemo21:50
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tank-manjust click the link that says click here to install on your device21:51
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tds5016yeah, it sends me this: http://scriptkiller.de/pub/maemo/ports/chinook/vpnc-gui.install21:52
tds5016haha.21:52
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tank-manyea so did it work?21:52
zakkmtds5016: click that.. on the tablet browser21:52
tds5016oh....21:53
zakkmnot on a destkop/laptop21:53
tds5016'bout that...21:53
tds5016I don't have a connection, because I need the client first.21:53
tds5016haha.21:53
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zakkmit will open up application manager, add the repo , and install whatever package you wanted21:53
tds5016can I add the repo by hand?21:53
zakkmyes21:53
tds5016for the record... because I'm going to need to do that shortly.21:53
tds5016how would I go about doing that?21:53
zakkmuhh application manger on the tablet21:54
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zakkmmenu - tools - application catalogue21:54
zakkmadd21:54
zakkmwords may be wrong, let me get my tablet21:54
zakkmtds5016: do you know the repository info?21:55
tds5016http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lob800-2.html21:55
tds5016that's what I'm working off of.21:55
tds5016I need gst-launch21:56
zakkmthat confused me ;p21:56
zakkmthought you were trying to install vpnc-gui?21:56
tds5016I do need that.21:56
tds5016haha.21:56
tds5016I was asking as an aside. it looks like I can actually just install it from the cli.21:57
tds5016sorry about that.21:57
tds5016but yeah, I need to install the vpnc gui first :-)21:57
zakkmbelieve its actually in maemo extras / extras-devel21:57
tds5016http://scriptkiller.de/pub/maemo/ports/chinook/vpnc-gui.install it looks like it's in extras21:58
tds5016extras, non-free21:58
zakkmso can you just apt-get install vpnc-gui21:58
zakkmif not, we will add that repo21:58
tds5016awesome. I need to go find an internet connection somewhere.21:58
tds5016haha.21:58
zakkmdont have one where you are?21:59
zakkmcan you bluetooth/usb network?21:59
tds5016I have bluetooth to a mac.21:59
zakkmsweet im on mac too :D21:59
tds5016awesome! how would I get the connection to run from that?22:00
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zakkmhah i think you'd need a maemo package22:00
zakkmbetter yet, get the vpnc deb's .22:00
tds5016actually, nvm. the university flips shit when you add stuff to their network like that anyhow. haha.22:00
tds5016I'll just go get a connection from starbucks or something liek that. haha22:01
zakkmyou'd need admin privileges on mac.22:01
zakkmto share ethernet to bluetooth device22:01
tds5016I have admin :-)22:01
zakkmwhat uni is this? curious22:01
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zakkmor country rather22:02
tds5016US.22:02
tds5016I got to PSU22:02
zakkmah22:02
tds5016go to*22:02
zakkmpennstate?22:02
tds5016yeah.22:02
zakkmi know someone there heh22:02
zakkmnewyork is it?22:02
zakkmno wait22:02
zakkmpennsylvania -.-22:02
tds5016no, The Pennsylvania State University22:03
tds5016:-)22:03
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zakkma friends brother goes there22:03
tds5016good guess ;-)22:03
zakkmlive in Toronto, Canada myself.22:03
zakkmi got psu acrnoym right ;p22:03
tds5016oh, very nice. too cold up there. haha, moving to San Jose, CA in september.22:03
tds5016haha.22:03
tds5016going to the "real world" as it were.22:04
tds5016haha.22:04
zakkmits not bad.. its 10c otuside right now22:04
tds5016still go maple leafs :-)22:04
zakkmeww ;p22:04
zakkmdislike hockey22:04
tds5016I'm from the US... I don't do Celcius... no offense.22:04
tds5016haha, me either. I assumed since u were canadian.. haha.22:04
zakkmuhh22:04
zakkm40 F?22:04
tds5016that's still chilly. haha.22:05
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zakkmC * 1.9 + 32 = F22:05
tds5016yeah, something like that. haha, Celcius is the smarter way to deal with temperature, I've just no bearings with it.22:07
tds5016haha.22:07
zakkm:D22:07
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LoCusFreporting about compcache, it works 100% in n81022:12
Stskeepssounds good22:12
Stskeepsis it a kernel module or?22:12
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LoCusFyeah a module22:13
Stskeepson 2.6.21?22:13
LoCusFyup22:14
Stskeepsk22:14
Stskeepsmuch interested in seeing a patch22:14
qwerty12_N800it worked? i built it for astorm & he said his tablet would reboot sometimes22:15
GAN800Hmm, I'm not loving Evolution. Anybody have any better suggestions?22:16
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qwerty12_N800modest?22:17
GAN800For the netbook22:17
StskeepsGAN800: at least it seems like the localization thread is actually working22:17
Stskeepswe're getting a lot of constructive input22:17
RST38hGAN: PINE22:17
qwerty12_N800I don't think I can be taken as serious when I suggest modest :)22:18
zakkmwhats compcache?22:18
RST38hyou may get linched for that22:18
StskeepsGAN800: claws?22:18
GAN800We _always_ take you seriously, qwerty12, so watch what you say.22:18
Stskeeps'This turned out to be a life saver during a Aymara translation sprint in Bolivia, where someone volunteered to collect all the translated PO files, drive to the nearest place with an internet connection, and upload them.'22:18
qwerty12_N800lol22:18
Stskeepsi think this is possible the best quote ever uttered on iTT22:19
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RST38hObama presented Elizabeth II with an iPod containing video from her 2007 visit to the States. In return, the first family received what is apparently a standard present for visiting dignitaries to the Palace -- a silver-framed photo of the Queen and her husband.22:19
RST38hWill finnish prez give her a tablet?22:19
StskeepsRST38h: and obama gave gordon brown US-region DVDs, afaik22:20
Stskeeps:P22:20
qwerty12_N800That's alright, everyone sets their region to 0 ;)22:20
RST38hSts: I am sure good old Gordon knows the magic button sequence on his remote...22:20
zakkmim sure someone would be able to do it for him.22:21
RST38hOr maybe he is just using a $20 Chinese DVD player that has all this crap disabled by default22:22
zakkmdivx dvd player no doubt :D22:22
Stskeeps~seen b-man22:22
LoCusFqwerty12_N800: yeah my tablet just rebooted :E22:22
infobotb-man is currently on #kde (1h 49m 12s), last said: 'Anyone suggest a good programming ide for KDE?'.22:22
suihkulokkiRST38h: we finns should give her the same present we gave Gorbatshov: http://www.relaflex.fi/tlnmuseo/mkoivistomgorbatsov2069.html22:23
Stskeepsah, someone else22:23
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qwerty12_N800LoCusF: lol :/22:23
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RST38hsuih: Not EXACTLY the same one, I hope? =)22:23
qwerty12_N800RST38h: maybe he binned them and grabbed the rips off bittorrent =)22:23
RST38hSts: Any idea how I can disable fbon soft cursor without trashing the whole fbcon from the kernel?22:24
RST38hqwerty: Or maybe he had those rips all the time...22:24
StskeepsRST38h: err.. i guess there would be a kernel option for it22:24
qwerty12_N800lol22:24
RST38hSts: I can't see one22:24
RST38hthere is a file in /sys that controls that, but it is secondary, can't be operated when the kernel just boots22:25
StskeepsRST38h: since there's a softcursor.ko i would assume it would be possible to disable22:25
RST38hah22:25
RST38hin the ea linux I have, it seems to be a part of fbcon22:26
GAN800E71x or wait to see what comes of an E55 or summuch?22:26
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* RST38h would wait, E71-like devices are kinda crammed22:27
[A2K]hello. i have a problem with dosbox. i use this http://pupnik.de/chinook/dosbox_0.72-0.2_armel.deb package. i have a simple calculator for dos, when i run it in dosbox on my pc, everything works good, but when i run it on n810, it shows me wrong numbers.22:28
RST38hYou can't bit E71 in terms of looks though, it is small and shiny22:28
GAN800Only thing I'm worried about is it's likely that we wont see another new Symbian handset on AT&T until late Fall22:28
RST38hJust buy one unsubsidized already...22:29
[A2K]looks like dosbox on maemo does not allow negative float-point numbers22:29
LoCusFqwerty12_N800: it would have been really cool if it would have worked22:29
Stskeeps"So, comparing the files on the N800 with the N810 for the FM app revealed 2 files that apparently don't get copied on the 810 when you install the app. I copied those 2 files over and the FM radio is working great now on the N810."22:29
Stskeepswtf22:29
Stskeepsthis can only be an aprils fools22:29
RST38hE55 will be way easier to type on, but it will also look like a cheap version of E51, judging from photos22:30
qwerty12_N800LoCusF: yeah, AStorm was saying it did speedup his tablet :(22:30
GAN800RST38h, no cash22:30
GAN800RST38h, fewer keys is easier? Sounds counterintuitive22:31
RST38hGAN: E55 keys are bigger and it has got the full QWERTY set22:31
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GAN800I don't do so well with T9 as-is22:31
Stskeepsevening timeless22:32
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timelE61inOt a good one22:32
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timelE61iI left to get dinner, but left my keys inside22:32
RST38hE55 has N810-like keyboard, no T9 required22:32
RST38hBUT, you need both hands to type on E55, E71 only needs one hand22:32
Stskeepsah, i'm deadly paranoid regarding my keys, especially since my gf is abroad and she has the other key pair, heh22:32
GAN800RST38h, point is, I don't love multiple characters on single keys.22:33
timelE61imy other pair expires at 10p, and i waited 30mins and gave up22:33
RST38hSts: They will stalk her, take the keys, cross several borders, invade your home, bring goats, swine, farm equipment, and make a fire.22:33
VDVsxGAN800, wait for the n97 :)22:34
StskeepsRST38h: i have a nice green field for goats and swine.22:34
* Stskeeps tries to locate pic22:34
RST38hGAN: Agree here. But it will probably not be your biggest problem with the keyboard.22:34
RST38hN810 always attempts to turn over and fall when I type, E55 will probably do the same.22:35
GAN800VDVsx and pay $700 for lots of duplicated functionality with my RX-51. Not likely.22:35
RST38hE71 does not have this problem but the keys are tiny.22:35
RST38hAnd these @&^#&*@^ from Nokia seem to have scrapped the successor to E70 which was *perfect* keyboard wise22:36
GAN800RST38h, I've used my dad's Moto Q a bit and don't have trouble with those keys.22:36
VDVsxGAN800, so you should buy a non-qwerty phone, IMO22:36
* RST38h once again pleads to the Tentacled One to teach 'em, those engineers...22:36
GAN800Mostly it's going to come down to hoe gadget deprived I am.22:36
RST38hGAN: Then go with E71 by all means22:36
timelE61igan: when22:36
GAN800s/hoe/how/22:37
infobotGAN800 meant: Mostly it's going to come down to how gadget deprived I am.22:37
timelE61iE71 is slightly narrower than e61i, but twice as fast22:37
GAN800timelE61i, considering E71x22:37
RST38hGAN: Because you will most likely hate E55 keyboard22:37
timelE61iX?22:37
GAN800AT&T branded with newer Symbian release.22:38
GAN800Announced recently22:38
GeneralAntilleshttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/30/atandt-pulls-trigger-on-nokia-e71x-and-samsung-propel-pro/22:39
StskeepsRST38h: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/myview.jpg , plenty of space for goats :P (ignore the car standing on the freaking grass..)22:39
timelE61iblack, white, or gray?22:39
GAN800Black22:39
GAN800That's some green grass22:40
* GAN800 is in the middle of a drought.22:40
StskeepsGAN800: not how it looks currently.. i think22:40
* Stskeeps doesn't open curtains often.22:41
GAN800With that view?22:44
timelE61iGan: it looks like you lost parens and punctuation in that model22:44
timelE61iAm i right?22:44
GAN800timelE61i, keyboard-wise? Compared to? (I don't really know)22:45
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GAN800I was planning on trying it at an AT&T store before deciding anything.22:45
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* VDVsx needs to choose a phone too (with good accelerometer's for his thesis work) :P22:47
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usicowdoes anyone know what 'normal' transfer speeds should be over usb to an n810? I only get 1.2MB per second.. and deleting 300MB took about 10 minutes..22:50
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GAN800VDVsx, 5800? Why not the RX-51/71 for the accelerometers, though?22:53
zakkmusicow: are you sure your on usb 2.0 ?22:53
zakkmnot 1.1?22:53
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zakkm1.1 maxes out at 1.2 i believe22:53
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usicowhmm22:53
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zakkm1.1 usb maxes out at 1.2mb/s i believe.. and usb 2.0 maxes out at 48022:54
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usicowI'm on this annoying vista laptop.. I'm not sure how I can tell if its 2.0 or 1.1.. I know the laptop is capable of 2.0.. its only a year old.22:54
qwerty12_N800I get 3.2 on a slow class 2. but this is with 48mhz kernel &  cpufreq in performance22:54
qwerty12_N800xp at least tells you when you put a 2.0 device in a 1.1 port22:55
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zakkmits just a guess..:D22:55
VDVsxGAN800, 5800 is one of the options, about the rx-71 dunno if I can delay my work so much22:55
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GAN800zakkm, 480Mbps not MB/sec. You're not factoring in overhead, though, either.22:55
zakkmi know but usicow got 1.2mb/s transferring, so i was saying it might be attached to a 1.1 port22:56
GAN800VDVsx, well, N97 is already June at the earliest, so. . . . :p22:56
MacerStskeeps: you around?22:56
zakkmqwerty12_N800: does 48mhz kernel help performance wise?22:56
zakkmbooting off SD22:56
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usicowhmm.. so I should be able to get 3.2 MB/s?22:57
StskeepsMacer: sortof22:57
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zakkmusicow: you should be able to get as far as your SD card could take22:57
qwerty12_N800zakkm: I think so but people have reported problems when using (dmesg would list i/o errors with a shit 1gb)22:57
qwerty12_N800s/using/using it/22:58
infobotqwerty12_N800 meant: zakkm: I think so but people have reported problems when using it (dmesg would list i/o errors with a shit 1gb)22:58
zakkmi got a a-data 4gb sdhc22:58
MacerStskeeps: how did you get this to actually run?22:58
Maceri am getting a ton of lib errors22:58
usicowzakkm: should I be seeing the CPU on the n810 maxing out when copying files over USB?22:59
StskeepsMacer: what do you try to run? i use VBox* commands22:59
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Macerthat is what i am trying now22:59
zakkmusicow: no idea, not a expert.. i just saw 1.2 and thinking that was the usb 1.1 max speed22:59
MacerVBoxManage "libstdc++.so.6 open failed: No such file or directory22:59
Macerand i just installed it22:59
zakkmbut probalby not22:59
usicowhmm22:59
StskeepsMacer: ok, maybe you have a later version than me22:59
zakkmnokia should be able to handle the cpu of transferring quite easily i would think22:59
Macerlater version than what? :)23:00
Maceror maybe ldconfig is jacked up and it's not reading the libs correctly?23:00
Stskeepsdunno23:00
Macerhm.. how does nexenta read the lib dirs?23:01
Maceris there an ld.so.conf somewhere or something?23:01
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Stskeepsdunno, - anyhow, im gonna crash and watch something23:01
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GeneralAntillesusicow, yes, you should.23:02
VDVsxGAN800, I have to inspect accelerometer specs first (If I can find it) :P23:02
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GeneralAntillesUSB transfers aren't fast23:02
GeneralAntillesVDVsx, on?23:02
VDVsxn9723:02
GeneralAntillesand what's necessary in the specs?23:02
VDVsxmainly the accelerometer type23:03
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GeneralAntillesAs in, how many axes, sensitivity, what?23:04
VDVsxyes, sensitivity is very important23:04
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Garfeildhi all23:05
Garfeildis there any developers for maemo?23:05
GeneralAntillesThere are lots of them.23:05
Garfeildoh, great23:05
Garfeildwhat do i need to install to SDK 4.1 to create working  analog of real Maemo device?23:06
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GeneralAntillesYou need a real Maemo device.23:06
StskeepsGarfeild: you can only get a simulation, not an emulation23:07
GeneralAntillesThere are non-free bits in there that are only licensed to real device owners.23:07
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GeneralAntilleshrw has done some work on qemu emulation of something resembling a real device, but it's involved to setup and requires, well, a real device.23:07
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Garfeildhm...and what about software? I want to look how working some standart application on Maemo, for example contacts...23:08
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florianre23:10
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Garfeildflorian: re23:11
Garfeildflorian: i think, you need for me)23:12
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Garfeildi'm about Contacts import/export project for gsoc23:12
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florianhi Garfeild23:14
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Garfeildflorian: i have installed sdk to my laptop, i have tested it for some applications and i have question23:15
Garfeildflorian: how can i see how work standart software on sdk?23:15
Garfeildor it's impossible?23:15
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florianGarfeild: Yes you can build all sorts of applications and run them. In fact most do not look really appealing.23:17
Garfeildso...i don't know name of standart software for contacts(23:18
GAN800Could slashdot be any more bloated?23:18
lcukhow many achievements have you got?23:20
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lcukGAN800, 5!23:21
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Garfeildsorry23:23
Garfeildi was out)23:23
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GAN800lcuk?23:25
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GAN800It used to be a pain because it had no AJAX niceties, now it's a pain because it's got too goddamn many.23:26
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Garfeildflorian: so, can you give me advice, what program i must install)23:27
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Garfeildor somebody...23:28
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qwerty12_N800GAN800: sourceforge already fucked up their site (really badly) & freshmeat so I guess for slashdot, it was a question of when...23:30
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Garfeildi'm invisible(23:34
Stskeepsexcellent technology choice23:34
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MacerStskeeps: how you got that crap to work :)23:35
Maceri will never understand.. it is missing like 298347289743 libs23:35
StskeepsMacer: i run an old version of nexenta, maybe why23:35
Maceri'm downloading the opensolaris livecd to get the amd64 libs23:36
Stskeepsah23:36
Stskeepsamd6423:36
Macerevidently nexenta decided to not include a ton of them23:36
Stskeepsi dunno then23:36
Macerwell.. their repostiories tend to only install 32bit libs23:38
Maceri guess it's a work in progress :) but i can replace the missing libs23:38
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Garfeildflorian: are you busy?23:45
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florianGarfeild: yes sorry, a little bit.23:49
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* florian tries to get Linux running on a Toshiba CPU based device23:49
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florianGarfeild: Thins like Evolution... but that won't be fun I guess.23:49
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lcukflorian, toshiba cpu?   or toshiba laptop23:51
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lcukGAN800, ahhh, i thought you meant featurecreep!  they have just added achievements to the user profile23:53
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florianlcuk: Toshiba CPU... its a TMPA910 (ARM9 based)23:54
tds5016ifconfig apparently ins't installed?23:55
qwerty12_N800/sbin/ifconfig23:55
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tds5016how do I get my ip address?23:55
tds5016thanks :-)23:56
lcukcool florian, you jsut hacking for fun or building stuffs23:56
tds5016what is the default user?23:57
tds5016on the n810?23:57
tds5016wait... I'll just log as root.23:57
tds5016haha.23:57
florianlcuk: for fun... its an eval board I got some time ago. There is a Linux port already, but not really useful yet23:57
tds5016is there a command line text editor?23:59
tds5016I need to edit my repos.23:59

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