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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Yes, I know. | 00:02 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: There's hooks one way. The style can be used no matter what; reversing the link for already linked accounts should be trivial. | 00:02 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: shure | 00:02 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: are you still using xserver-xorg-video-omapfb btw? | 00:03 |
| b-man | yes | 00:03 |
| fireun | http://lifehacker.com/5173793/a-first-look-at-google-voice | 00:04 |
| Stskeeps | do yourself a favour and try to apt-get install xserver-xomap | 00:04 |
| Stskeeps | should drop right in | 00:04 |
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| b-man | Stskeeps: wouldn't that conflict with xserver-xorg though? | 00:05 |
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| b-man | (when running) | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: yeah, it removes it but both work | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | it's just one of them has to be /usr/bin/X, so | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | it removes xserver-xorg (one package) | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | performance wise it's worth it | 00:06 |
| b-man | k | 00:07 |
| * b-man googles "ubuntu jaunty for the nokia tablets" and finds 8+ websites talking about his port XD | 00:07 | |
| b-man | Stskeeps: btw, the base system is now installable with a simple apt-get install sys-env-x :) - no more manually configuing the base system :D | 00:09 |
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| * b-man finds his ubuntu screnshots scattered across the web | 00:17 | |
| * lcuk gets bonus points for finding all and deleting | 00:18 | |
| GeneralAntilles | How big is the default alpha SDK install? | 00:19 |
| Corsac | ( ) | 00:19 |
| lcuk | |---------------------------------------| | 00:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 8-----------------------------------> | 00:20 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: 42. | 00:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You're all useless. | 00:20 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, trust you to lower the tone | 00:20 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | :P | 00:20 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, it comes down in a script | 00:21 |
| lcuk | i dont think anyone knows | 00:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, what, qwerty12_N800's man has nice glasses. But a very long nose. . . . | 00:21 |
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| b-man | *screenshots | 00:21 |
| lcuk | lol b-man your correction came far too late | 00:22 |
| lcuk | theres like a 10second rule | 00:22 |
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| b-man | lol | 00:25 |
| b-man | lcuk: it's not working XD | 00:25 |
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| * b-man notices that everyone is refering to him as "some guy" on alot of websites that talk about his port :P | 00:28 | |
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| * b-man needs to start mentioning his real name on his projects | 00:30 | |
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| * b-man also notices that the ubuntu jaunty team is well aware of what he's doing now... lol | 00:33 | |
| Stskeeps | now, why is it that we are checking for /var/run being a symlink? | 00:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:34 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: ? | 00:34 |
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| Stskeeps | why do we check if /var/run is a symlink :) | 00:35 |
| b-man | good question | 00:35 |
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| ymalheiros | VDVsx, hi, I saw your nickname as a possibile mentor of a project in gsoc maemo website, can I talk to you? | 00:39 |
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| alex_mayorga | hello all, si there an easy way to move installed apps to the internal card? | 00:39 |
| alex_mayorga | and install in the card from now on? | 00:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~boot-sd | 00:40 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 00:40 |
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| GAN800 | Any clues for the idiot? http://slexy.org/view/s23Sv6XXCu | 00:41 |
| alex_mayorga | GeneralAntilles, thanks, is a guide like that one to have debian/ubuntu & maemo from the get go? | 00:42 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: i think there's a bug on this | 00:42 |
| Stskeeps | or atleast related to GL | 00:42 |
| * b-man starts composing a proper guide for installing ubuntu-n8x0 2.2 | 00:42 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, my problem is that I don't pay attention to things if I don't think they matter to me, then, eventually, they do matter to me and I don't know anything. :P | 00:42 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: ah, kinda like highschool | 00:43 |
| b-man | lol | 00:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4197 | 00:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Similar error, but not the same. | 00:43 |
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| alex_mayorga | b-man, how about an android one :) | 00:44 |
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| b-man | solca has covered that allrety ;) | 00:45 |
| alex_mayorga | nice | 00:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: tried a fakeroot apt-get -f install? | 00:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, 'scratchbox fakeroot apt-get -f install' ? | 00:45 |
| alex_mayorga | don't know really where to start, I'm a total maemo n00b :( | 00:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Throws the same error, anyway. | 00:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :/ | 00:46 |
| Shadow__X | what should i use to backup so if i break my n810 again i can restore it | 00:47 |
| alex_mayorga | ~boot-android | 00:47 |
| sp3000 | ahh, voted for the new council of overlords, to serve man with relish | 00:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | sp3000, sorry, it's likely to be ketchup. | 00:47 |
| VDVsx | ymalheiros, pm ? | 00:48 |
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| fireun | mmm, relish | 00:49 |
| alex_mayorga | is there a newbie channel? :) | 00:49 |
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| sp3000 | we're not busy enough to split so this would be it | 00:53 |
| Pavlov | hrm | 00:53 |
| Pavlov | was there a diablo update? | 00:53 |
| Macer | hello | 00:54 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: you around? just wondering how far along mer has gotten :) | 00:54 |
| Macer | get 0.10 going yet? | 00:54 |
| fireun | internal release only | 00:55 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: killed the 0.10 release (wasn't ready on release day) but we're doing quite well | 00:55 |
| Macer | wow really? | 00:55 |
| alex_mayorga | sp3000, OK so I want this on my n800, maemo, ubuntu/debian, android, maemo3 if it gets ported at some point, where should I start? | 00:55 |
| Macer | what was wrong with it? | 00:55 |
| Stskeeps | maemo3? :P | 00:55 |
| * sp3000 didn't see an update | 00:55 | |
| Stskeeps | Macer: didn't boot, heh | 00:55 |
| sp3000 | alex_mayorga: not me, I'm technically asleep :) | 00:55 |
| Macer | lol. guess that might do it ;) | 00:55 |
| alex_mayorga | Stskeeps, whatever name they got for the omap3 version | 00:56 |
| alex_mayorga | I forget | 00:56 |
| alex_mayorga | anyone? | 00:56 |
| Stskeeps | alex_mayorga: i'd start out with a vodka bottle, personally | 00:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, no, and there's not likely to be one, it seems. | 00:57 |
| Stskeeps | some of these sadly don't intermix | 00:57 |
| alex_mayorga | Got a liter of absolut pear ;) | 00:57 |
| Pavlov | GeneralAntilles: hrm, weird, my n810 just wanted to update a bunch of stuff | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, apt? | 00:57 |
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| Pavlov | app manager | 00:57 |
| Pavlov | maybe i hadn't updated some of the last stuff? | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, people have been spamming the builder like crazy. | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | community stuff | 00:57 |
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| Pavlov | its updating map | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Diablo updates are a singel package in h-a-m | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you're seeing a lot of stuff, then it's 3rd-party. | 00:58 |
| Pavlov | libicd?-network-eap? | 00:58 |
| Pavlov | bluetooth stuff, *shrug* | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless you've got red pill on | 00:58 |
| Pavlov | i'm sure i do | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shame on you. | 00:59 |
| Pavlov | heh | 00:59 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: so any word on when .10 will be ready for public consumption? | 00:59 |
| Pavlov | i have too many n810s floating around here, can't keep track of how they're all configured | 00:59 |
| alex_mayorga | how to check what pill I shallowed? | 00:59 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: it'll be 0.11 instead, at 6th april | 00:59 |
| Macer | ah ok | 01:00 |
| Stskeeps | 2 weeks development, 1 week testing | 01:00 |
| Macer | tnx | 01:00 |
| fireun | Pavlov: I put stickers on mine | 01:01 |
| Pavlov | fireun: heh, i just did that on a few of them | 01:01 |
| Pavlov | GeneralAntilles: so any idea what it was updating? | 01:01 |
| fireun | Pavlov: I guess I could have just changed the background image, but.. that seemed like more work | 01:02 |
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| Stskeeps | Macer: however Meiz has been playing, http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/screenshots/oxygen/screenshot03.png | 01:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, without more details, no. | 01:03 |
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| Jaffa | Bed time. | 01:41 |
| Jaffa | night, al | 01:41 |
| Jaffa | +l | 01:41 |
| pupnik | "New Octa-Core Intel with quad-SLI Nvidia 18650gt, only 6000watts!" | 01:41 |
| pupnik | nite | 01:41 |
| fireun | with fraking >lasers< | 01:43 |
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| b-man | ~ping | 01:45 |
| infobot | ~pong | 01:45 |
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| pinback | hihihi any working jaunty desktop yet? | 01:48 |
| wazd | Survivors?) | 01:49 |
| * b-man checks | 01:49 | |
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| wazd | Check it out: http://lotro.ucoz.ru/omw.html | 01:49 |
| wazd | I'm so proud of it xD | 01:49 |
| Mousey | that for maemo? | 01:50 |
| RST38h | wazd: ! | 01:51 |
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| RST38h | why does it say Foreca though? | 01:51 |
| wazd | RST38h: test logo) | 01:51 |
| wazd | RST38h: it will say more) | 01:51 |
| RST38h | And where are the bears? =) | 01:51 |
| wazd | RST38h: we'll release'em in 3.0 firmware. Security issues :) | 01:52 |
| RST38h | Hehe | 01:52 |
| RST38h | Flea removal? =) | 01:52 |
| wazd | yep) | 01:53 |
| * RST38h ended up ordering R500 from CompUSA | 01:53 | |
| RST38h | $900 | 01:53 |
| RST38h | It was either style (Dell Adamo) or function (R500) and function won. | 01:54 |
| wazd | mmm, nice) | 01:54 |
| Mousey | for linux? | 01:54 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: hehe, that's neat :) | 01:54 |
| RST38h | http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4183460&CatId=2289 | 01:54 |
| Mousey | i thot compusa went oob | 01:54 |
| RST38h | Mousey: will have a bit of Linux on the side | 01:54 |
| wazd | I'm trying to build some more complex things | 01:55 |
| RST38h | Mousey: Their break and mortar stores did but not the mailorder | 01:55 |
| wazd | like dropdown menus or something) | 01:55 |
| RST38h | wazd: Maybe model the whole desktop there... | 01:55 |
| * Mousey is in the market for a new (exclusively) linux notebook | 01:55 | |
| Mousey | RST38h: ah | 01:55 |
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| RST38h | the idea of fading the background with a vignette effect and drawing on top is mighty cool | 01:55 |
| pinback | RST: R500-S5008X? | 01:56 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i wonder how fast that effect can be done.. | 01:56 |
| RST38h | Mousey: for exclusively Linux stuff I would suggest a netbook | 01:56 |
| RST38h | Sts: instantly if you simply cache the vignetted background image :) | 01:56 |
| Mousey | have one | 01:56 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: true | 01:56 |
| RST38h | pinback: yes, the one without dvd | 01:56 |
| pinback | nice | 01:57 |
| RST38h | Only 1.2kg and 7.5 hours of use (real numbers are closer to 5h though) | 01:57 |
| wazd | Well, I saw Maemo 5 demo, they have that effect on menu | 01:58 |
| wazd | Not vignetted just faded | 01:58 |
| RST38h | the only two problems are 1) it bends and 2) it is covered with garish silvery stuff | 01:58 |
| pinback | RST: U sure buying from CompUSA is a good idea - I heard they were going bankrupt | 01:58 |
| RST38h | pinback: as I said, their mailorder business never went anywhere | 01:59 |
| wazd | damn, I can watcth that 2 seconds all night long) | 01:59 |
| wazd | watch* | 01:59 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: hehe, i repeated the flash too a couple of seconds | 01:59 |
| pinback | bman: any idea whats happening with ubuntu-desktop - broken package list seems different today | 01:59 |
| RST38h | wazd: around 4am you will see the bears. | 01:59 |
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| wazd | It's so exciting to see something you imagine in your head actualy working) | 02:00 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 02:01 |
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| Stskeeps | soon you'll be able to see mer ui in effect too | 02:01 |
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| Stskeeps | saw Meiz's variant earlier? | 02:01 |
| RST38h | wazd: it may be of some use to make a library of visual components for creating desktop widgets like this | 02:02 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: I guess not | 02:02 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/screenshots/oxygen/screenshot03.png | 02:02 |
| RST38h | wazd: i.e. an app programmer will be able to show not just the weather but anything he wants using several predefined display methods, with vignetting happenning automatically | 02:02 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: (with oxygen icons) | 02:03 |
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| * pinback wants his jaunty desktop | 02:03 | |
| Stskeeps | wazd: (that's not a mockup) | 02:04 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: nice! | 02:04 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I wonder, why "Mer" icon is normal, and mclose is small?) | 02:04 |
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| wazd | RST38h: That's Appe's 100000 API idea | 02:04 |
| wazd | RST38h: Apple's*) | 02:05 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: well because we're missing the 64x64 pngs :) | 02:05 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: aw | 02:05 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/screenshots/oxygen/screenshot02.png as well | 02:05 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: anyway, once we get the 64x64 png versions from you, me and zenvoid will sit down and put together the template, theme, etc stuff, so it is installable :) | 02:06 |
| RST38h | wazd: well we won't need that many :) | 02:06 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: really impressive how we can make things look already | 02:07 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: That's really nice | 02:07 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: Wait I'll make 64x64 icons | 02:07 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: and i keep on wondering why noone has headhunted you yet :P | 02:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, is that package available for 0.9? :P | 02:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, can we get bigger versions of the background and splash images? | 02:08 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i have a 1600x1200 somewhere | 02:08 |
| Stskeeps | (we really need to start collecting the artwork a central place..) | 02:09 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: Max I have is 1920x1200 | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, you don't have any idea what kind of a nightmare it was trying to get just the maemo.org logo artwork together. | 02:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So, apparently, blanking the screen on the Mini 9 does not include turning the backlight off. :\ | 02:10 |
| Stskeeps | DSME is needed, heh | 02:11 |
| Stskeeps | or something to manage backlight | 02:11 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: As I understand it will resize 64x64 to 48x48? | 02:13 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: yes | 02:13 |
| RST38h | Just use svg folks | 02:13 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: ironically the svg loader is closed source | 02:13 |
| Stskeeps | at least the nokia one | 02:14 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: so I just need to resize 48x48 to 64x64?) | 02:14 |
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| RST38h | It is one component you can find in open source :) | 02:14 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: if that works for a graphics person.. if it resizes correctly, i guess | 02:14 |
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| wazd | I wonder how these guys prototype their UI's http://www.tat.se/ | 02:15 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: do you use PS or vector graphics btw? (out of curiousity) | 02:15 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: both | 02:15 |
| Stskeeps | if you have possibility to export svgs that always helps too | 02:15 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: but prefer to use PS to make pixel-perfection) | 02:15 |
| RST38h | wazd: AFAIK, Samsung uses Flash for its production UIs | 02:15 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: hehe | 02:16 |
| RST38h | wazd: So, no only they prototype in flash... | 02:16 |
| pinback | even ledd broken dependencies with ubuntu-desktop now - guess they are changing things on the repo right now | 02:17 |
| pinback | s/ledd/less/ | 02:18 |
| infobot | pinback meant: even less broken dependencies with ubuntu-desktop now - guess they are changing things on the repo right now | 02:18 |
| pinback | damn u infobot | 02:18 |
| pinback | s/damn/thank/ | 02:18 |
| infobot | pinback meant: thank u infobot | 02:18 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: check your email) | 02:19 |
| wazd | RST38h: then I wonder how they make that 3d stuff :) | 02:20 |
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| StsN800 | wazd, gmail? | 02:22 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: yep | 02:23 |
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| RST38h | wazd: isn't there some pseudo-3d extension to flash? | 02:23 |
| RST38h | prolly using opengl es as backend | 02:23 |
| StsN800 | wazd, k, waiting for it | 02:24 |
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| StsN800 | wazd, much appriciated:) | 02:27 |
| StsN800 | now we can start hacking | 02:27 |
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| yigal | I'm so glad I bought a NIT it has made me aware of what level of a community can be obtained with the marriage between proprietary and open source software | 02:29 |
| RST38h | aka the Unholy Community (tm) | 02:30 |
| yigal | lol | 02:30 |
| benson_ | yigal: this is the only place I've seen it work out this well. | 02:31 |
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| yigal | android seems strange so far, but I guess I shouldn't judge and should just see what happens in the next year or so | 02:33 |
| yigal | android/tmobile/g1 this bag of goodies, sorry that's what I mean, not just android by itself | 02:33 |
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| yigal | owell I hope maemo/nit etc. keeps on living for a long time, quality stuff | 02:35 |
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| q0s | hey guys | 02:37 |
| q0s | is there a fix for the pidgin protocol issue? | 02:37 |
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| q0s | liboscar think it is too old | 02:37 |
| wazd | liboscar fell into midage crisis :D | 02:40 |
| wazd | Ok, see ya tomorrow guys, time to sleep! | 02:41 |
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| q0s | bye :) | 02:42 |
| q0s | no one else? | 02:42 |
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| q0s | okay, if someone needs to know: you can replace the liboscar.so.0.0.0 with the one from http://packages.debian.org/sid/armel/libpurple0/download . it works fine for me | 02:50 |
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| * lcuk curses and moans that babylon 5 night finshed 5 minutes before the end of the movie | 02:51 | |
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| RST38h | "The rate at which SCP-088 is able to kill, liquefy, and ingest its victims is astonishing. 3km livestock tests consisting of 5000 animals were consumed by SCP-088 in under 30 seconds." | 02:57 |
| pupnik | you win for wierd | 03:01 |
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| * GeneralAntilles banks head on desk. | 03:04 | |
| GeneralAntilles | s/banks/bangs/ | 03:05 |
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| * b-man may have found out why ubuntu-desktop is broken; https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-February/000541.html | 03:11 | |
| b-man | doesn't quite make sense though - that message was submited on the 27th of february | 03:12 |
| b-man | :P | 03:13 |
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| * pinback has his fingers crossed | 03:26 | |
| pinback | bah repos still broken! | 03:27 |
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| pinback | only 15broken depends now | 03:36 |
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| pinback | but I see nautilus etc there so its not gonna fly | 03:37 |
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| pinback | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 03:57 |
| pinback | libgnome2-0: Depends: libgnome2-common (< 2.26) but 2.26.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed | 03:57 |
| pinback | Thats the problem - a log of the gonome stuff needs a lib with a lower version thats not in the repos | 03:57 |
| pinback | s/log/lot/ | 03:57 |
| infobot | pinback meant: Thats the problem - a lot of the gonome stuff needs a lib with a lower version thats not in the repos | 03:57 |
| pinback | any way to force? | 03:59 |
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| b-man | apt-get install libgnome2-common=2.26 - i believe | 04:02 |
| b-man | pinback: btw, i think that the reason why ubuntu-desktop and sevral gnome related stuff is broken is because the ubuntu jaunty repository is undergoing a large update | 04:03 |
| b-man | so the ubuntu-desktop problem (should) be resolved soon ;) | 04:04 |
| pinback | yup - many changes today | 04:04 |
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| pinback | hmmm I managed to install libgnome-common but that doesnt help resolve the dependency issue | 04:05 |
| b-man | hmm | 04:06 |
| pinback | how do I say "install but ignore libgnome-common version requirement" | 04:07 |
| b-man | not too shure about that :( | 04:08 |
| * b-man wonders whare xnt is | 04:08 | |
| b-man | ~seen xnt | 04:09 |
| infobot | xnt is currently on #maemo (14h 29m 18s). Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 13h 38m 37s, last said: 'ok I have to go to school :P'. | 04:09 |
| b-man | lol | 04:09 |
| z4chh | yo b-man what grade you in again? | 04:10 |
| b-man | i'm a sophmore - 10th | 04:10 |
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| z4chh | ahhh, right! you taking ogt's? >.< | 04:11 |
| b-man | Ohio Graduation Tests -yyyyeeesss >.< | 04:12 |
| z4chh | rofl :D | 04:12 |
| b-man | how did you know??? | 04:12 |
| z4chh | i live in ohio o.o | 04:12 |
| b-man | :D | 04:13 |
| z4chh | and i took the bloody test two years ago | 04:13 |
| * b-man just took the science test >.< | 04:13 | |
| z4chh | i know :) | 04:13 |
| b-man | XD | 04:13 |
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| z4chh | ive got sophomores on my tennis team..they bitch about it | 04:13 |
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| b-man | lol | 04:14 |
| b-man | they should XD | 04:14 |
| b-man | it's horrible | 04:14 |
| z4chh | my school has two hour delay for not sophomores ;p | 04:14 |
| z4chh | so i go to school like 10:20am...good old sleeping in >.< | 04:14 |
| b-man | heh XP | 04:14 |
| b-man | lol | 04:14 |
| z4chh | what does your school do? regular school? | 04:15 |
| b-man | on ogt week? - for upper-classmen yes | 04:16 |
| * b-man haves to get up an hour earlier XP | 04:16 | |
| z4chh | ouch | 04:16 |
| b-man | yup :( | 04:17 |
| z4chh | ogt's are a joke man | 04:17 |
| b-man | indeed | 04:17 |
| b-man | z4chh: witch part of ohio do you live in? | 04:17 |
| z4chh | i got a sophomore in my ap stat class that got a perfect score on psats...the teacher was jokingly giving him a hard time about ogt math saying "good luck on that" | 04:17 |
| z4chh | i live outside of dayton | 04:18 |
| b-man | i live outside of toledo | 04:18 |
| z4chh | bowling green, ive seen you on forums ;p | 04:18 |
| b-man | yup :P | 04:18 |
| xnt | b-man: I was bored | 04:18 |
| b-man | hehe | 04:19 |
| xnt | b-man: I was in gym class and my n819 fell out of my pocket ,and the teacher saw it and confiscated it :( | 04:19 |
| b-man | xnt: play some xbox | 04:19 |
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| z4chh | b-man, if you are able and want to....do the pseo program, it rocks >.< | 04:19 |
| b-man | xnt: that sucks! | 04:19 |
| xnt | b-man: http://xceleo.com/ps3.html | 04:19 |
| xnt | b-man: I know | 04:19 |
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| xnt | I miss my nit | 04:20 |
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| xnt | xnt: now all I have left is a blackberry, no ipod, no n810 :( | 04:20 |
| b-man | i feel sorry for you | 04:20 |
| xnt | my ipod touch's screen cable broke, bo Im really bored | 04:20 |
| xnt | *so | 04:20 |
| z4chh | xnt, if i was that teacher, id give you an A for just having an n810 >.< | 04:20 |
| b-man | lol | 04:20 |
| pinback | b-man: everything for xubuntu-desktop is there - will that work? | 04:20 |
| b-man | shure | 04:21 |
| pinback | touchscreen etc? | 04:21 |
| z4chh | xnt, where do you live? | 04:21 |
| b-man | you'll need to remove xserver-xorg-input-synaptic | 04:21 |
| b-man | @pinback | 04:22 |
| xnt | but on the bright side , My friend let me borrow his ipod touch 2g, so I have something to do :), gotta get a terminal up here, (the iphone/ipods need a maemo port :), maybe Stskeeps will port mer to it oncve they have frivers for it, ) | 04:22 |
| z4chh | gotta jailbreak it first >.< | 04:22 |
| b-man | hehe | 04:22 |
| xnt | *once | 04:22 |
| pinback | ok - I can always reformat and try again | 04:22 |
| xnt | brb | 04:22 |
| * b-man wonders what brb means XP | 04:23 | |
| b-man | sms code... lol XD | 04:23 |
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| * b-man needs to go - i'll be back ;) | 04:25 | |
| b-man | xnt: lol | 04:25 |
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| xnt_ipod | hi, the iPod needs a decent irc client :P | 04:26 |
| z4chh | the ipod needs to die >.< | 04:27 |
| xnt_ipod | ircchon displays '/me' as ACTION :P | 04:27 |
| xnt_ipod | z4ch: the iPod is good hardware, just needs an opensource os , and a good kb | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better to wish for the moon. | 04:29 |
| xnt_ipod | /me hates the softkb on ipod, why apple why :P | 04:29 |
| xnt_ipod | ga: iphonelinux.org , a Linux port now it needs drivers | 04:30 |
| xnt_ipod | brb | 04:31 |
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| * xnt hates apple's appstore restrictions | 04:32 | |
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| z4chh | GeneralAntilles, indeed ;p ..you'd have better luck trying to divide by 0 o_o | 04:33 |
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| * xnt imagines a world where the n810, er sorry i810 is manufactured by apple *Shudders* | 04:35 | |
| xnt | ***** Drivers | 04:36 |
| xnt | 5 posts before | 04:36 |
| xnt | do any of you have web hosting service from these guys? http://mediatemple.net/ | 04:37 |
| z4chh | i need to get me an n810 >.< | 04:39 |
| z4chh | now that the price has dropped hah | 04:39 |
| xnt | ipod touch with a decent keyboard :P I want one of those too bad its only a render http://www.ipodtouchfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103630 | 04:39 |
| fireun | need like, you'll die without one? | 04:39 |
| * pinback has 25mins until his desktop is installed | 04:40 | |
| GeneralAntilles | xnt, you want #ipod or something. | 04:40 |
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| xnt | lol, ok , nevermind, just wanted to show you all :P | 04:40 |
| * xnt hopes that n900 will have multitouch, (fremantle should have multitouch support.) | 04:42 | |
| * xnt is sick of pressing the +/- keys on his n810, he hates the feel of those buttons. | 04:42 | |
| fireun | they hate you too | 04:43 |
| luke-jr | xnt: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org ;) | 04:43 |
| luke-jr | xnt: N810 keyboard sucks :< | 04:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | RX-51 is resistive. | 04:43 |
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| xnt | GA: :( , it should be at least capacitive | 04:45 |
| xnt | luke-jr: :), that game seems familiar... | 04:46 |
| luke-jr | xnt: haha, I have VPS hosting too XD | 04:46 |
| benson_ | It should have resistive, capacitive, and active digitizer layers, all with no battery impact! | 04:47 |
| xnt | luke-jr: too bad I already have a site, and dreamhost plan, my parents won't buy me anything untill my b-day | 04:47 |
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| xnt | benson: yeah, Im impressed by the maemo power managment. | 04:48 |
| * xnt wants maemo power management all his electronics | 04:49 | |
| xnt | luke-jr: xceleo.com, yeah I know I wrote it at 2AM, it sucks | 04:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | xnt, capacitive, like resistive, is a compromise. | 04:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | xnt, capacitive is not a better touchscreen technology, it is a different one. One that is inappropriate for devices like the tablets. | 04:50 |
| crocogator | why inappropriate? | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | crocogator, you know the nice precision that allows people to use desktop programs? Or sketch? Or write notes? Yeah, can't do any of that with capacitive. | 04:51 |
| yigal | that's not good | 04:51 |
| yigal | not good at all | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | It might make sense if we had a radically different UI or a radically different target userbase (say, Apple's) but we don't so it doesn't. | 04:52 |
| xnt | GA: OK :)/:(, I can understand... accuracy and fingers only | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unfortunately there is no perfect touchscreen technology, and resistive happens to be the better choice for our platform. | 04:52 |
| yigal | sweet, I know I make the best choices without conscious thought, ahh | 04:52 |
| luke-jr | O.o | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder when dneary'll wake up. . . . | 04:53 |
| * benson really likes the idea of capacitive+active digitizer, but that's not happening. | 04:53 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I'd love it if there were some clean, effective way to combine the two. | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or just a magic touchscreen technology that does everything perfectly. | 04:54 |
| xnt | does MicroB support HTML 5? | 04:54 |
| xnt | btw GA: neural interface ... maybe on the n1010 | 04:55 |
| benson | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, but a sufficiently advanced technology touchscreen would be indistinguishable. | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | benson, feel like eyeball-calculating these results? :P http://maemo.org/vote/votes.php?election_id=6 | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | benson, :P | 04:55 |
| xnt | :P | 04:55 |
| yigal | lol | 04:55 |
| yigal | that's funny | 04:56 |
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| darkblue_B | hello- Ive been polishing my app the last 2 weeks.. and unfortunately am getting some really slow response times from the N800s I have... its a python program using SQLite for 1-3k sized records, served with lighttpd | 04:56 |
| b-man | i'm back :) | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | The vindictive votes are funny. | 04:56 |
| b-man | z4chh, xnt, you guys still here? | 04:57 |
| darkblue_B | I was planning to show the N800 as a physically secure source of the data.. but the 2-3 secs per request that I am seeing is making me think otherwise :-/ | 04:57 |
| xnt | yeah | 04:57 |
| b-man | k | 04:57 |
| crocogator | GeneralAntilles: thank you. as always you are very well informed. | 04:57 |
| yigal | man I love watching videos on the n800 before I go to sleep, that's just the best | 04:57 |
| benson | Oh !@#&*()@!#$&^(&*#$@%^ ! | 04:57 |
| xnt | what? | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | crocogator, I do my best. ;) | 04:57 |
| yigal | lotta love | 04:57 |
| xnt | ok brb | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | benson, you drop your N810 in the toilet? | 04:57 |
| * benson forgot to vote. | 04:57 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Hahaha | 04:58 |
| b-man | lol | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I say we include a Word macro in the next voting email that forces people to vote when they receive it. ;) | 04:58 |
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| benson | Stupid deadlines sneak up on me; they ought to have a 24h window so I can't procrastinate. | 04:59 |
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| * b-man joins twitter | 05:00 | |
| darkblue_B | I ran some python sqlite benchmarks casually, and the reads are just s*l*o*w | 05:00 |
| darkblue_B | something about the media? I dont know | 05:00 |
| darkblue_B | I'd like to see it work | 05:00 |
| darkblue_B | its just not | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd be interested to know if any of the non-voting people weren't deliberate. | 05:01 |
| crocogator | GeneralAntilles: a lol 4 u http://www.ultimateminority.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/bailoutbonuses.gif | 05:02 |
| crocogator | The Little Bar is what people are whining and yammering about | 05:02 |
| crocogator | The Big Bar is what they had to pay | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | crocogator, it's a sad situation. | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | When you're taking it up the ass, you gotta complain about something. ;) | 05:02 |
| crocogator | I'd complain about the big painful bar tbh | 05:03 |
| xnt | lol | 05:03 |
| xnt | im back :P | 05:04 |
| RST38h | Funny, I have just been reading this: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/20/nyregion/20siege.html | 05:04 |
| xnt | b-man: btw brb means be right back :P | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | The banking system being what it is, it makes it a lot harder for the market to limits its punishment to the people who deserve it. | 05:04 |
| b-man | xnt: oh | 05:04 |
| RST38h | General: Of course, in a situation like this, the only thing a thinking person can hope for is a good show | 05:05 |
| RST38h | General: Siege, arson, preferably a lynching or two | 05:05 |
| RST38h | This will help the struggling news outlets too, so it is good for economy | 05:05 |
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| xnt | b-man: :P? | 05:06 |
| xnt | lol ok | 05:06 |
| b-man | :) | 05:06 |
| * xnt logs into dreamhost | 05:07 | |
| xnt | im trting out ruby on rails :) | 05:07 |
| b-man | xnt: i'm now on twitter :) - bman626 | 05:07 |
| xnt | *trying | 05:07 |
| xnt | me to | 05:07 |
| b-man | xnt1337? XD | 05:07 |
| xnt | xnt is taken :P | 05:08 |
| z4chh | o.o | 05:08 |
| xnt | I made that alternate username in 07 | 05:08 |
| xnt | brb | 05:08 |
| xnt | ok im back | 05:09 |
| xnt | parents are telling me to go to sleep, and no 820 to sneak on irc with :( | 05:10 |
| xnt | *n810 | 05:10 |
| xnt | :P | 05:10 |
| xnt | ipod touch irc client is crap | 05:10 |
| xnt | b-man: 0 updates? | 05:10 |
| b-man | not atm :( | 05:11 |
| * b-man is waiting on the ubuntu jaunty repo | 05:11 | |
| xnt | ok | 05:11 |
| xnt | b-man: do you have a cellphone with unlimited texting? | 05:12 |
| xnt | or like 100 txts a month? | 05:12 |
| b-man | xnt: no - my cellphone broke :( | 05:12 |
| * xnt uses his blackberry+prepaid($150) to update his twitter | 05:12 | |
| xnt | :( | 05:13 |
| xnt | b-man: do you have wifi at school? | 05:13 |
| b-man | got droped when i let my sister use it | 05:13 |
| * xnt doesn't have a sister or brother to give his nit to | 05:13 | |
| b-man | xnt: yes, but you cannot do anything without logging in | 05:13 |
| xnt | captive portal? | 05:14 |
| xnt | or wep encrypted? | 05:14 |
| * xnt doesn't have wifi at school | 05:14 | |
| * b-man knows a person that might have a portal | 05:14 | |
| b-man | xnt: that sucks | 05:14 |
| xnt | no what do you mean, does it redirect you drowser to a login page? | 05:15 |
| xnt | *browser | 05:15 |
| * b-man is going to a school that isn't even a year old | 05:15 | |
| b-man | Penta | 05:15 |
| xnt | :P | 05:15 |
| b-man | xnt: yes | 05:15 |
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| benson | GeneralAntilles: Doing some quick grep work, there's no Condorcet winner. | 05:16 |
| b-man | z4chh: have you herd of penta? | 05:16 |
| benson | But candidates 1, 2, and 4 are shoo-ins from "x beats y" comparisons. | 05:16 |
| * benson looks to see what names match those numbers... | 05:17 | |
| b-man | it's one of the biggest technical schools in the eastern united states | 05:17 |
| xnt | b-man: http://www.hak5.org/episodes/episode-504, watch it. | 05:17 |
| b-man | k :) | 05:18 |
| xnt | dns tunneling | 05:18 |
| benson | Jaffa, GeneralAntilles, and timsamoff all look like safe bets. | 05:18 |
| * xnt got his friend ipod online via usb networking, now when I get my nit back ill do the same with it | 05:18 | |
| xnt | *friend's | 05:19 |
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| xnt | hi tank-man :P | 05:20 |
| tank-man | hi | 05:20 |
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| crocogator | http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/879-Bernanke-Inserts-Gun-In-Mouth.html | 05:21 |
| xnt | tanks-man: bad news, I got my nit confiscated by my gym teacher, when it fell out of my pocket :( | 05:21 |
| xnt | * tank-man | 05:21 |
| benson | Just looking at most "x beats y" ballots for each x vs. all y: The top 5 are Jaffa, GeneralAntilles, timsamoff, sjgadsby, & qole | 05:22 |
| xnt | crocagator: :P? | 05:22 |
| tank-man | you don't need a computer for gym :P | 05:22 |
| b-man | lol | 05:22 |
| * b-man sides with xnt | 05:22 | |
| benson | But everything after the top 3 is close enough to depend on counting method, and the one I'm using is singularly bad, but easily implemented in sh/grep/dc... | 05:23 |
| benson | So sjgadsby and qole are _not_ a prediction. | 05:23 |
| z4chh | b-man, nope, penta doesn't ring a bell | 05:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | benson, hehe, thanks. ;) | 05:24 |
| xnt | tank-man: no I keep it in my pocket at all times , I don't put it in my locker (school supplied locks are crap) and I don't leave it in my bag at all :P | 05:24 |
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| benson | Here's the script: | 05:25 |
| benson | for i in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9; do for j in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9; do grep $i.\*$j.\*0$ ./election.blt|wc -l; done; echo ++++++++p;done|dc | 05:25 |
| xnt | b-man: be careful , try not to ssh into you server :P it will flag you as too much dns traffic :P | 05:25 |
| benson | (In case anyone's random enough they want to check me... :P | 05:25 |
| * b-man lost his ipod by using a crappylocker | 05:25 | |
| b-man | *crappy locker | 05:25 |
| tank-man | hey, I lost my ipod nano cause it was too small | 05:26 |
| b-man | lol | 05:27 |
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| b-man | heh - when i came back to my locker to get my ipod, there was a huge dent in it and it was open :P | 05:28 |
| b-man | (the locker) | 05:29 |
| b-man | someone was pritty desperate :P | 05:30 |
| xnt | :P | 05:30 |
| xnt | :P:P | 05:30 |
| b-man | :P:P:P | 05:30 |
| xnt | ok nite, my parents are threatening to ban me from my computer :( | 05:31 |
| xnt | :P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P | 05:31 |
| xnt | ok nite, ill try to sneak ok with the ipod | 05:31 |
| benson | :P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P | 05:31 |
| b-man | :P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P | 05:31 |
| z4chh | hah | 05:32 |
| fireun | make it stop | 05:32 |
| z4chh | xnt, i used to get that all the time | 05:32 |
| xnt | :P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P | 05:32 |
| xnt | ok ill stop | 05:32 |
| b-man | :P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P | 05:32 |
| benson | :|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:| | 05:32 |
| xnt | b-man: damn | 05:32 |
| xnt | xDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxD | 05:32 |
| xnt | ok nite | 05:32 |
| b-man | :P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P: | 05:32 |
| b-man | P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P | 05:32 |
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| b-man | i'm done XD | 05:33 |
| * benson probably has the widest irssi window open :P | 05:33 | |
| benson | My :| line all fit in one line :P | 05:33 |
| b-man | lol | 05:34 |
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| alex_mayorga_N80 | ~boot-sd | 05:50 |
| infobot | i guess boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 05:50 |
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| wladi | hi | 06:35 |
| allen_ | wladi: hi | 06:36 |
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| bef0rd | wladi, | 07:02 |
| bef0rd | ~flashing | 07:02 |
| infobot | i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 07:02 |
| wladi | thanks | 07:04 |
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| AStorm | blah | 08:25 |
| AStorm | every time I have a hard shutdown (e.g. out of battery) | 08:25 |
| AStorm | my charging indicator locks up | 08:25 |
| AStorm | and needs gtk icon cache update... | 08:26 |
| AStorm | (not just gfx locks up - also the actual indicator) | 08:27 |
| AStorm | it might be relevant that I'm usually running Canola when the hard "shutdown" happens | 08:28 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 08:43 |
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| wladi | hello | 08:51 |
| x29a | hi | 08:51 |
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| Stskeeps | oh dear god | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | seems like election results are out | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | Winners are Andrew Flegg (Jaffa), Ryan Abel (GeneralAntilles), Tim | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | Samoff (timsamoff), Kees Jongenburger (keesj), and | 08:52 |
| Mousey | bush, ftw? | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | Alan Bruce (qole). | 08:52 |
| Mousey | lol | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | (that line break was not intentional) | 08:52 |
| benson | Yay! | 08:52 |
| benson | I guessed 4/5 right! | 08:52 |
| benson | (Including the 3 I was sure about, and one of the ones I wasn't.) | 08:53 |
| x29a | elected to do what? | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | x29a: maemo.org community council (sp) | 08:53 |
| x29a | ah | 08:53 |
| * Stskeeps is happy to see keesj made it in | 08:54 | |
| x29a | did you want to be part of that? | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | me? fuck no :> | 08:54 |
| * Stskeeps spends more time coding than talking | 08:54 | |
| x29a | ha, great results then ;) | 08:54 |
| wladi | eee, i need help... | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | but for the sake of the maemo community, i think this new council will be a plus, as we have great challenges ahead | 08:55 |
| wladi | i have a n810 and a desktop pc with ubuntu 8.10...i want update my maemo to Diablo, but i doesn't...use this comand: sudo ./flasher-3.0.amd64 -F RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | wladi: do you follow | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | ~flashing | 08:56 |
| infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 08:56 |
| x29a | hm, is infobot broken? | 08:57 |
| wladi | yes i did... | 08:57 |
| x29a | shouldnt that be a "/me thinkgs"? | 08:58 |
| x29a | wladi: and whats the error message? | 08:58 |
| x29a | wladi: turn off your device, hook it to the usb, do that flasher command, turn on the device and hold the "switch" button (with little arrow) until its done flashing | 08:58 |
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| wladi | fine, i'm trying again, but i don't see a error message | 09:00 |
| x29a | in which way does it then not work? | 09:00 |
| x29a | you have a terminal or something on your ubuntu machine, right? | 09:00 |
| x29a | not just "execute command" | 09:01 |
| x29a | and you are in the directory where the image is also (checked the md5 hash and stuff) | 09:01 |
| neatojones | he may have to chmod +x the flasher-3.0.amd64 file | 09:01 |
| x29a | neatojones: the "error"message which would indicate that is "file not found" | 09:01 |
| x29a | but since there is (doubted) no error message, hmm | 09:02 |
| x29a | but good point | 09:02 |
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| neatojones | I had a good lesson in permission hell a few days ago when I was building debian packages and recursively copied, tar'ed, moved, and untarred several folders (and moved them between partitions with various permissions). It was a nightmare. | 09:05 |
| x29a | haha | 09:05 |
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| x29a | i always mess up the gentoo tarball regarding the permissions while extracting | 09:05 |
| neatojones | I forget which modifiers to use sometimes when extracting or copying. | 09:06 |
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| * Stskeeps notes to himself he should probably go to work since his local LAN server is getting packet loss.. | 09:06 | |
| wladi | yes , i have a terminal and have 777 in the flasher... XD | 09:07 |
| x29a | does the flasher start? | 09:07 |
| x29a | its gotta say something | 09:07 |
| x29a | do you have an amd64 arch? | 09:07 |
| neatojones | ;P | 09:07 |
| neatojones | hehe | 09:07 |
| neatojones | that would be funny | 09:08 |
| wladi | hahaha, yes, i have amd64 | 09:09 |
| neatojones | s/funny/sad | 09:09 |
| neatojones | muh...I screwed that up. | 09:09 |
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| x29a | wladi: so what does the flasher say? | 09:09 |
| x29a | neatojones: ;) | 09:09 |
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| x29a | root@x31:/home/bene/Projects/N810# ./flasher-3.0.app | 09:09 |
| x29a | flasher v0.8.7 (Oct 17 2006) | 09:09 |
| x29a | Nothing to do! | 09:09 |
| x29a | wladi: what does your flasher say, when you just start it? | 09:10 |
| wladi | sudo ./flasher-3.0.amd64 -F RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R flasher v0.8.1 (Jan 5 2007) SW version in image: RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_MR0 Image 'kernel', size 1536640 bytesVersion 2.6.21-200842maemo1 Image 'initfs', size 2327808 bytesVersion 0.95.22-200842maemo1w38b3 Image 'rootfs', size 125435904 bytesVersion RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_MR0 FIASCO subimage data length mismatch | 09:11 |
| x29a | subimage data length mismatch | 09:11 |
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| x29a | wladi: md5sum RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 09:12 |
| neatojones | redownload. | 09:12 |
| neatojones | wladi: Do you haev N810 or N800? | 09:12 |
| x29a | a0738fcc7b556d1c6d49d796b48a7a37 | 09:12 |
| x29a | N810 | 09:12 |
| wladi | n810 | 09:12 |
| neatojones | ok... | 09:12 |
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| wladi | redownload?? why?? | 09:12 |
| neatojones | Seems like an easy way to try and fix it. | 09:13 |
| neatojones | Maybe there is an error in the file. | 09:13 |
| neatojones | not flasher, the image. | 09:13 |
| neatojones | I could be wrong. But that's what I'd do. | 09:13 |
| x29a | wladi: what does md5sum say? | 09:14 |
| x29a | easy way to check the consistency | 09:14 |
| x29a | ok, off to the pool, bye | 09:14 |
| neatojones | pool? | 09:14 |
| neatojones | what? | 09:14 |
| x29a | swimming, water | 09:14 |
| neatojones | what temp is it there? | 09:14 |
| x29a | probably girls | 09:14 |
| neatojones | I'm jealous | 09:14 |
| x29a | inside | 09:14 |
| neatojones | ah. Don't go if there aren't girls :D | 09:15 |
| neatojones | jk | 09:15 |
| neatojones | later | 09:15 |
| wladi | fine, i redownload the image | 09:15 |
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| wladi | mmm, the md5sum is diferent between the file and the md5sum in the page :P | 09:22 |
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| wladi | i think that this is the problem, hahaha, i'm downling the image and will try again | 09:25 |
| neatojones | Sounds like the best fix. | 09:27 |
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| wladi | the problem was between the keyboard and the chair!! i was the problem!! | 09:30 |
| wladi | now update to Diablo! thanks!! | 09:30 |
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| wladi | now...anyone used the gnupg in the n810?? for encrypt | 09:37 |
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| hhahlo | Meiz_n810: moro | 09:44 |
| Meiz_n810 | mo | 09:44 |
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| L0cutus | re | 09:49 |
| kynde | is there a common wiimote driver that people use with NITs? I just ported and debianized the cwiid. It's wmgui needs a bit maemofication but seems to work quite nicely as it is. But before I go further with this, I'd like to know wether there's already a wiimote driver/library that's being used with meaemo devices? | 09:49 |
| qwerty12 | There's wiicontrol, a python thing written specially for the tablets. cwiid may benefit those who aren't into python though. | 09:50 |
| kynde | I tried the wiicontrol, but I appeared to lack quite a bit of wiimote's features. Maybe I just overlookd (because I'm one of those "not into python"). Anyway, the cwiid seemed to work almost out-of-the box fully. Toggle leds, all input received, accelerometers, sound buzzing, etc... | 09:52 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, that sounds cool, I can't think of anything else except for a old cwiid tarball (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17579) | 09:54 |
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| kynde | Yeah, I saw that, but... "open that tar to /" is not a deployment scheme I'm interested in. Besides the cwiid has configure and the works. All I did was added the debian/ dir with basic rules and that was pretty much it. | 09:56 |
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| qwerty12 | Heh, yeah, I can see where you are coming from :) | 09:57 |
| kynde | I'll give a go at hildonizing it's control gui a bit. And see what happens. | 09:57 |
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| kynde | While we're at it, what about 2D physics engine? (and now should be able to see also where am headed :)) | 09:58 |
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| kynde | Yesterday I ported box2d. It's c++, but I can live with that. Works resonably well in n810. Some 30 odd balls bouncing around nicely. | 09:59 |
| qwerty12 | Yep, the most excellent numpty physics game for tablets is based on box2d :) | 10:00 |
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| kynde | right, but do they all just link it in? I mean, I took a peek at tomiphy, and it used it statically. And since I don't see the lib available, I take it that the numpty physics does the same thing? | 10:01 |
| qwerty12 | The numpty physics source suggests it does | 10:02 |
| kynde | alright. I'm fine it what, although I prefer shared libraries, but what the hell. | 10:03 |
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| Stskeeps | too many logs? | 10:15 |
| mgedmin | maemo has no logs... | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 10:18 |
| mgedmin | strange: ash keeps no history now | 10:19 |
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| x29a | neatojones: did wladi mention what exactly was the problem? | 10:36 |
| neatojones | yeah | 10:36 |
| neatojones | I think he said there was an error in the checksum | 10:36 |
| neatojones | then he said somethign about he typed something wrong. | 10:36 |
| neatojones | maybe he downloaded the wrong file. | 10:37 |
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| neatojones | wrong version from what he meant to download. | 10:37 |
| x29a | okidoki | 10:38 |
| x29a | but typically started with "there is no error". i like. not. | 10:39 |
| kynde | Is there an easy or atleast somewhat straighforward way hildonize a glade using gtk applet? (is there "hildon glade" or something?) | 10:40 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:50 |
| timelyx | yes | 10:50 |
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| Stskeeps | morning Jaffa, timelyx | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: and congratulations on the council positin | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | +o | 10:55 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: ta | 11:05 |
| * Stskeeps is fairly happy with the new council :) | 11:06 | |
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| b0unc3 | good morning | 11:08 |
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| lcuk | congrats new council members!!! :( to those who didnt make it | 11:26 |
| lbt | council? | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, maemo.org council | 11:30 |
| lbt | not on maemo.org | 11:30 |
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| lbt | hi dneary are the results in? maemo.org is quiet and http://maemo.org/community/council/ doesn't say | 11:32 |
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| dneary | hi lbt | 11:32 |
| lbt | hi :) | 11:32 |
| dneary | As I said earlier: http://maemo.org/vote/blt.php?election_id=6 | 11:32 |
| dneary | Run the election yourself :) | 11:33 |
| dneary | I mailed the results to maemo-community this morning | 11:33 |
| dneary | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2009-March/003524.html | 11:33 |
| lbt | ah, thanks I was just looking round the web for results, not looked at my maemo folder yet | 11:34 |
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| timelyx | dneary: err | 11:49 |
| timelyx | i just got a random file, that was mean | 11:50 |
| timelyx | oh, and could someone make the community/council/ page not crash my safari? | 11:51 |
| timelyx | please? :) | 11:51 |
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| dneary | hi timelyx | 11:52 |
| timelyx | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/635277 | 11:53 |
| dneary | Random file? | 11:53 |
| timelyx | the dlt link | 11:53 |
| dneary | You got the raw ballots of the election | 11:53 |
| dneary | in .blt formal | 11:53 |
| timelyx | yeah | 11:53 |
| dneary | format | 11:53 |
| timelyx | but your sentence didn't indicate that's what it was | 11:53 |
| dneary | Ah | 11:53 |
| timelyx | which meant my irc client launched safari which dumped a random file on my desktop | 11:53 |
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| dneary | Any idea what exactly is crashing safari? | 11:53 |
| dneary | Does it crash konq as well? | 11:54 |
| dneary | Or other webkit-based browsers? | 11:54 |
| timelyx | well, 200 stack frames is expensive, but i don't think that's relevant... | 11:54 |
| timelyx | basically safari 1 sucks :) | 11:54 |
| timelyx | and in case you're curious, i can't run firefox 3 either... | 11:55 |
| timelyx | oh weird | 11:56 |
| * timelyx didn't realize surplus votes were transfered | 11:56 | |
| timelyx | so, is the software that did http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2009-March/003524.html open? | 11:58 |
| timelyx | because its line wrapping sucks and a bug should be filed :) | 11:58 |
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| timelyx | actually, that's not really related to open source, as long as it supports bug reporting :) | 11:59 |
| timelyx | so, is a surplus vote any vote from a voter for which each vote they've casted hasn't actually voted for a winner? | 12:00 |
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| sp3000 | surplus is when a candidate has >threshold ballots sitting on them afaiui | 12:14 |
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| timelyx | i'm vaguely considering lunch | 12:15 |
| timelyx | oh, actually, yes | 12:15 |
| timelyx | since i have a dinner today if i don't screw up | 12:15 |
| sp3000 | not too sure which ones get transfered | 12:15 |
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| timelyx | i'd hope it's something like: election 2 seats, 3 cands. 5 voters, [1 2 3] [1 2 3] [1 3 2] [1 3 2] [1 2]. everyone voted for 1, and everyone is allowed to vote for 2 candidates, so everyone has their second vote transfered | 12:17 |
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| benson | timelyx: No way, that would make too much sense. | 12:23 |
| benson | STV, the single means you're only casting one vote. | 12:24 |
| sp3000 | I think the idea is the sum stays the number of nonempty ballots | 12:24 |
| benson | But if your first choice wins with votes to spare, your vote _may_ get tossed to your second pick | 12:24 |
| benson | Or if he gets booted with too few, then your vote _does_ get tossed down | 12:25 |
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| timelE61i | bEnson: arg | 12:29 |
| timelE61i | So someone else's ballot is randomly chosen | 12:29 |
| benson | The way they're doing it, the redistirbution is random, so not even repeatable. | 12:30 |
| timelE61i | awesome | 12:30 |
| timelE61i | How about we use ... | 12:30 |
| timelE61i | dOnald trump's method | 12:30 |
| timelE61i | Every candidate is elected | 12:30 |
| timelE61i | And every week we fire someone | 12:31 |
| timelE61i | When we reach the correct number of people, we stop firing | 12:31 |
| benson | IMHO, STV is horribly broken in so many ways. But somehow, it gives us a lot better results than the previous system should, and so it's not apparent how rotten it is. | 12:31 |
| benson | timelE61i: I rather like that, actually. | 12:31 |
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| benson | Much saner than STV. | 12:32 |
| timelE61i | It seems a hell of a lot better | 12:32 |
| timelE61i | And the american public agrees w/ it | 12:32 |
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| sp3000 | all voting systems are broken, pretty much :) | 12:38 |
| Pavlov | heh | 12:39 |
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| timelE61i | The only problem w/ trump's system is the potential for too many candidates (not a problem we have) and the management overhead required for the long eection | 12:45 |
| timelE61i | Trump can be replaced by american idol/dancing w-stars to support popular vote | 12:47 |
| shpaq | is there any way to uninstall orphaned dependencies via apt? | 12:51 |
| shpaq | standard apt has autoremove option which is missing in maemo | 12:51 |
| timelE61i | i thought app manager would remove junk | 12:52 |
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| shpaq | timelE61i: if you're installing apps using manager it will | 12:52 |
| shpaq | i'm doing it via ssh & apt | 12:53 |
| shpaq | i such case app manager doesn't remove orphaned deps | 12:53 |
| timelE61i | rIght | 12:57 |
| timelE61i | "don't do that" ;) ENOTSUP | 12:57 |
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| shpaq | maybe is there some logfiles, or some tool which can find such deps? | 12:58 |
| Passeli_ | i have same problem as this message -> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27127 | 13:01 |
| Passeli_ | cannot start hildon | 13:01 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo vdvsx | 13:02 |
| VDVsx | hi all | 13:02 |
| VDVsx | we have a new council today :) | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | think it's a good one | 13:02 |
| VDVsx | some surprises for me | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | think keesj is good to have on the team and qole for understanding the importance of regular applications on the tablets.. | 13:05 |
| Passeli_ | at ARMEL target it does work | 13:05 |
| * boneslaw rips out his left arm and waves it in the air excitedly | 13:06 | |
| boneslaw | shoot|! | 13:06 |
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| VDVsx | I meet keesj in fosdem, is a very nice guy :) | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | dear god @ the Maemo 5 Reveals its Features thread | 13:07 |
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| Stskeeps | has skype -ever- declined their old clients to join their network? :P | 13:07 |
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| ShadowJK | Are people speculating skype on n8x0 will be killed once "n900" is released? | 13:22 |
| timoph | so it seems | 13:23 |
| * ShadowJK shall assume you mean that people seem to be speculating | 13:23 | |
| timoph | you'll be right | 13:23 |
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| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: no, on the contrary | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: that RX-51 won't have skype | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | (and Mer won't have skype) | 13:43 |
| benson | Maybe I misunderstood (projecting sanity), but I thought there were two fears. | 13:44 |
| benson | Tha RX-51 vgets shiny new Skype, and Mer can't have it | 13:45 |
| benson | and that RX-51 vgets no Skype. | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | and that "Mer can't use Skype cos it's 3rd party" | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | like, even the n8x0 version | 13:45 |
| benson | Either way, Mer should have OS2008 Skype if anyone wants iut bad enough. | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it's not really difficult, once we get the Nokia-closed + Mer image distribution going | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | i actually already wrote the script for it | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | benson: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Proposals/Community_Firmware | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | (it is not configured for obvious reasons) | 13:47 |
| * benson makes astonishingly many typos when typing lkefthanded and eating pizza... | 13:48 | |
| Stskeeps | benson: it's trivial to get skype working since nokia pretty much said we can distribute nokia closed stuff using a scheme .. | 13:48 |
| benson | Yeah, but Skype doesn't even need that, I think; tablets just come with a Skype downloader, right? | 13:50 |
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| benson | So we just get the Skype client from same URL/whatever that uses? | 13:50 |
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| * benson hasn't really looked at it. | 13:50 | |
| * lcuk nicks bensons pizza | 13:51 | |
| Stskeeps | benson: aye. | 13:52 |
| * benson types much straighter now | 13:53 | |
| Stskeeps | the problem is 1) osso-dsp-modules-rx-44, 2) adobe-flashplayer (don't get me started), and wifi/bt firmware | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | as they are in updates repository (first two), but is 3rd party | 13:53 |
| benson | I see | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | and hence we can't legally pass them under the "nokia closed software to nokia tablets" :P | 13:54 |
| benson | Adobe can't _possibly_ mind, considering it makes their platform-grip all the stronger, but that's not exactly a license. :/ | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | benson: they can mind if it works like crap :P | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | benson: but for what it's worth, i'm not about to start including guides for mer how to let's say, include flash, or sound (yet), as it would damage the process | 13:56 |
| benson | Ah, so Nokia's paying them big money to use it, even though it works like crap already? | 13:56 |
| lcuk | get the graphics drivers as well :P | 13:56 |
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| * benson likes Java better, simply because it's not associated with evil, broken, horrid binaries. | 13:57 | |
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| lcuk | its just associated with evil, broken, horrid bytecode :P | 13:58 |
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| lcuk | benson, should we go the google way and produce a java framework? | 13:59 |
| benson | Why? Google already made one, we can just rip it! | 14:00 |
| lcuk | speaking of which, will the android ui sit ontop of any linux? | 14:00 |
| lcuk | ie without having to rip out your entire system and start agian | 14:00 |
| benson | Could be made to, but AFAIK, nobody's done it yet. | 14:00 |
| lcuk | what are the principle apps on android | 14:01 |
| benson | You could get at least gvm-level UI continuity, and probably better. | 14:01 |
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| benson | IDK, never had an android yet. | 14:02 |
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| lcuk | i hear you can buy some from eastern countries - some even interface with asimo | 14:02 |
| * lcuk wants a real android :) | 14:03 | |
| benson | :D | 14:04 |
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| lardman | Octave/gnuplot anyone | 14:08 |
| lardman | ? | 14:08 |
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| xnt | learning ruby :P http://xceleo.com/wl-ruby.png | 14:26 |
| thresh | ruby <3 | 14:27 |
| xnt | thresh: its a nice language | 14:27 |
| thresh | yeah | 14:27 |
| thresh | i published some of my projects in ruby | 14:27 |
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| * Jaffa yawns a bit | 14:28 | |
| Jaffa | lardman: enjoying your first day of freedom? | 14:28 |
| lardman | dunno, am still getting the emails ;) | 14:29 |
| lardman | but yes, am certainly reasonably productive (though that's not actually because I'm not on the council anymore) | 14:29 |
| RST38h | moo lardman | 14:30 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: did ssvb have any more to say about ARM-side audio for the n810? | 14:30 |
| lardman | hi RST38h | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: no sorry, it's a bit over my head that area :) to me it looks a bit like we can't get around the PCM dsp task | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | but i don't know enough of this area | 14:31 |
| X-Fade | lardman: I'm going to shut your email forward down now ;) | 14:32 |
| * xnt xnt|atschool | 14:32 | |
| lardman | well currently that is the problem, but if we could move access to the audio (hw) codec to the ARM side we could free up the DSP completely | 14:32 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: ok | 14:32 |
| xnt|atschool | ok i have to go to school :P | 14:32 |
| lardman | As I said yesterday, I wonder how much of the Fremantle dev was done on the n810, and therefore whether they have a kernel driver for the audio hwe | 14:34 |
| lardman | s/hwe/hw | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: can i get a quick overview if something like http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Proposals/Community_Firmware (the maemo.org part) is technically plausible on maemo.org servers? - i've written the scripts to make images and all that stuff already | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | it basically takes a mer image, installs debs into it and tar.gz's it up for distribution :) | 14:36 |
| lardman | I've wondered about a bare-bones Mer base image which on first boot (& agreeing to EULA, etc.) installs the required Nokia .debs | 14:37 |
| lardman | though I guess that wouldn't prevent people installing on a non-Nokia device still | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: in the long run this solution is better because of wifi firmware | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | which we'll have to put on at some point | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | and without wifi firmware no connectivity | 14:38 |
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| lardman | yep of course, silly me | 14:38 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: I have to catch up with a few things, but I'll check it out.. | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: alright, ta | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: just wanted to push it past you before getting the whole machinery on it :P | 14:40 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: how far off a useable image is Mer then? Is there a list of what to install to make it useable? | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: my first goal is hald-addon-bme really | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | so we can get battery reporting | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | then we can slowly start integrating and making patch recipes | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Common_Packages is how API compatible with Fremantle alpha we are atm | 14:42 |
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| lardman | thanks | 14:43 |
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| Stskeeps | will hopefully be a good place to point Nokia developers to, to help them bring their packages to modern environments :P | 14:44 |
| lardman | lol | 14:44 |
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| Stskeeps | which is one of the purposes of mer | 14:45 |
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| mgedmin | supposedly I now have 25 megs free on . | 15:03 |
| mgedmin | supposedly I now have 25 megs free on / | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | that's much :P | 15:03 |
| mgedmin | will that be sufficient for fennec 1.0 beta 1, which requires 10 megs (according to app installer)? | 15:04 |
| mgedmin | jffs2 is like drive space: you can't rely on the numbers | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | it can compress so | 15:07 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: there's been no reply on the 3rd party stuff yet, has there? | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: qgil discussed it a bit recently - we can probably go ahead with the nokia-closed stuff, they're talking to TI about codecs i believe - for now, we can survive with not touching initfs | 15:08 |
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| SaBer | Does maemo have screen savers? | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | SaBer: there's a xscreensaver port, but it's a waste of energy.. | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:09 |
| * mgedmin wants the app installer to have categories based on the first letter of the package name | 15:09 | |
| mgedmin | well, "categories" | 15:09 |
| mgedmin | buttons, really | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: but so far the "app" 3rd party stuff is 1) flash 2) skype (has .install and distributable by themselves, depends on nokia stuff), 3) gizmo (deb distributed by them) | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: i'm personally happy with if we get the HW interfacing done, cos that's the most important part :P | 15:11 |
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| ymalheiros | lfelipe: hi, can i talk to you about a gsoc project? | 15:42 |
| lfelipe | ymalheiros: sure | 15:43 |
| ymalheiros | lfelipe: pvt? | 15:44 |
| lfelipe | ok | 15:44 |
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| mgedmin | jffs2: 25 megs free - 10 megs for fennec = 5 megs free | 15:59 |
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| Myrtti | and I wonder which part I'm missing out when I can't setup any msn/icq accounts on the n800 | 16:15 |
| Myrtti | I go through the wizard and press finish, and the account isn't in the account list | 16:15 |
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| rkirti | Hello everyone. I read the details of the Maemo GSoC idea of integrating Maemo and Hildon with OE. Can someone please give some pointers about where I can get more details on this particular idea ? | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | where did you see this? | 16:21 |
| rkirti | Stskeeps, Maemo GSoC ideas page | 16:22 |
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| rkirti | Stskeeps, it was put forth by Florian | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | well i guess poking him could do the trick | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | you can possibly use the huge amount of Mer packages | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Common_Packages | 16:23 |
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| rkirti | Stskeeps, I thought so, but I am not sure of my IRC etiquette knowledge and hence not sure if a general onlooker like me PM-ing a developer is allowable | 16:24 |
| rkirti | Stskeeps, thanks for that info | 16:24 |
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| boneslaw | genteel rkirti|afk | 16:34 |
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| rkirti|afk | boneslaw, you pinged ? wrong person I guess ? | 17:12 |
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| derkaiser | I want to know whether there is anyone would be mentor on the project "smart news reader on n800" | 17:33 |
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| lcuk_bacon | derkaiser: there is already a news reader for n800, what would make it smart? | 17:37 |
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| Woolly-work | I'm having trouble getting a python status bar working, does anyone have any experience in this area? | 18:06 |
| Woolly-work | i have installed python2.5-hildondesktop and hildon-desktop-python-loader, have placed my .py application into /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/ and my Desktop Entry file into /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-bar/ | 18:08 |
| Woolly-work | the application appears in the Status Bar tab in Panels, but when it is checked, will not appear in the actual status bar | 18:09 |
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| Woolly-work | restarting hildon-desktop using /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop stop ; /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop start doesn't make any difference either | 18:15 |
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| Woolly-work | can anyone help with a python status bar not loading? | 18:22 |
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| Razumihin | Oh those js warnings are annoying. Can't I somehow set file:// as trusted? | 18:25 |
| Razumihin | (as you can do on firefox) | 18:25 |
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| Woolly-work | has anyone developed python status bar applications? | 18:34 |
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| qwerty12 | 412b with advanced power and there's a whole thread on the topic on itt | 18:34 |
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| Woolly-work | cheers qwerty12, was just hoping someone would be around just now | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | curious question | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | is my "Charging" screen supposed to be scrolling? | 18:42 |
| prebacon | scrolling? | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it's scrolling vertically across the screen | 18:43 |
| prebacon | rolling out of tune? | 18:43 |
| prebacon | is this mer or maemo? cos the maemo one is static in the middle | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | maemo. | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | and honestly, it was scrolling across the screen, like when a display is out of synnc. | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | either that or i had too much beer. | 18:44 |
| prebacon | yeah, firstrun glitches - ala liqbase? | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | err. maybe. | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | this -really- shouldn't be scrolling. | 18:44 |
| prebacon | no, take a vid | 18:44 |
| prebacon | is it corrupted? | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | just scrolling | 18:44 |
| prebacon | take a vid :D | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | too late now | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | i don't want my tablet to die. | 18:45 |
| prebacon | i noticed the bootwizard comes up before charging starts | 18:45 |
| prebacon | btw, i once managed to get liqbase over the top of the charging screen | 18:45 |
| qwerty12 | I've done that a few times with a few apps | 18:45 |
| prebacon | it was running as root and drawing directly on the xv overlay and got stuck in a loop | 18:45 |
| prebacon | bbl anyway | 18:45 |
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| Woolly-work | anyone experienced in python status bar apps? i've installed python2.5-hildondesktop and hildon-desktop-python-loader, and have placed my .py application into /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/ and my Desktop Entry file into /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-bar/. The status bar app shows up in Panel, but doesn't appear in the bar, when it's checked?? | 18:48 |
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| qwerty12 | Run the py from a terminal and see if it spits out errors. A pastebin of the desktop file would be nice. | 18:49 |
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| Woolly-work | python /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/status-bar-app.py doesn't give any tracebacks | 18:49 |
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| Woolly-work | status-bar-app.desktop contains: [Desktop Entry] // Name=Status Bar App // Type=python // X-Path=status-bar-app | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | Try python2.5 instead. If you have python-launcher running, it stops console output from being displayed >.< | 18:51 |
| Woolly-work | ahh i'll give that a bash | 18:51 |
| Woolly-work | python2.5 doesn't give any tracebacks either :( | 18:52 |
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| Woolly-work | this is a pain | 18:54 |
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| Woolly-work | can anyone else offer any suggestions? | 18:58 |
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| fireun | tried peanutbutter? | 19:01 |
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| Woolly-work | i'm allergic | 19:02 |
| Woolly-work | :( | 19:02 |
| fireun | we'll you're stuck then | 19:03 |
| fireun | add debug messages | 19:03 |
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| spsneo | Hi devs I want to contribute to maemo as gsoc student | 19:04 |
| spsneo | any dev there to discuss ideas | 19:04 |
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| VDVsx | hello spsneo, what do you have in mind ? | 19:09 |
| spsneo | social app based on open socia | 19:11 |
| spsneo | social* | 19:11 |
| VDVsx | spsneo, pm ? | 19:12 |
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| spsneo | pm means? | 19:12 |
| spsneo | VDVsx: pm means? | 19:13 |
| VDVsx | spsneo, means private mensage :) | 19:13 |
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| bjv | where's a good source for FIASCO images | 19:28 |
| qwerty12 | tablets-dev | 19:28 |
| bjv | yeah, i tried out 2008HE for the 770 but the diablo/sdk repo isnt very friendly to that | 19:28 |
| mikkov__ | Woolly-work: your best bet to debug python status bar apps is to run it in scratchbox | 19:29 |
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| bjv | without a 3rd party 2008 FIASCO, i guess i might as well reflash & try another dselect-upgrade | 19:29 |
| bjv | nothin to loose. | 19:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | bjv, because OS2008HE isn't Diablo | 19:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's Chinook. | 19:34 |
| bjv | also, because the diablo/sdk repo isnt intended to run on the device? | 19:34 |
| bjv | it maybe could, though. right? | 19:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why would you want to? | 19:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a reason it's not intended for it. | 19:35 |
| bjv | but it ~is all arm-compiled debs | 19:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wont argue with you if you want to break things. | 19:36 |
| bjv | i would like to know what repo the actual diablo installs are pulling from, though. | 19:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | The updates are coming from the update repo. | 19:37 |
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| bjv | any Diablo users here? | 20:08 |
| vasily_pupkin | i am | 20:12 |
| bjv | what does your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ look like | 20:12 |
| vasily_pupkin | moment | 20:13 |
| bjv | when i try deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo ./ | 20:13 |
| bjv | i get a 401: Unauthorized | 20:13 |
| vasily_pupkin | it change its place afair | 20:13 |
| qwerty12 | it's passworded | 20:14 |
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| bjv | qwerty12: where's the password stored? | 20:14 |
| qwerty12 | apt | 20:14 |
| bjv | huh | 20:14 |
| vasily_pupkin | hm | 20:14 |
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| bjv | can someone post the apt config file that has this password, then? | 20:27 |
| bjv | or just the file name/ the line? | 20:27 |
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| bjv | Diablo repositories are just not documented anywhere. T_T | 20:30 |
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| bjv | what kind of operation is nokia running here. | 20:30 |
| keesj | Stskeeps, VDVsx and others thanks a lot for the support . I will do my best to make things work! | 20:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | bjv, that update repository is for N800/N810 only. | 20:32 |
| bjv | im aware | 20:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's passworded because unless you own one of those devices, you do not have a license to use several of those packages. | 20:32 |
| bjv | hm | 20:32 |
| bjv | then that is a significant roadblock | 20:33 |
| bjv | what packages? | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flash, for one. | 20:33 |
| bjv | oh weird, they have different version Flash? | 20:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Adobe doesn't have a free version of Flash for ARM. | 20:34 |
| bjv | plaintext http login though, - i wish my buddy was here with his 800 so i could tcpdump the router :O | 20:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's in apt, so it's not like the source is difficult to locate. | 20:35 |
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| lcuk | keesj, GeneralAntilles Jaffa qole tim, congrats! | 20:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Right back at yah. | 20:36 |
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| lcuk | we need a virtual qole and tim in irc, even if they never visit, if someone posts a comment regarding them they should see it | 20:37 |
| VDVsx | keesj, btw, you live in Amsterdam right ? | 20:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Attach an IRC bot to a printer and a paper ball cannon? I like it! | 20:37 |
| keesj | Yes, in amsterdam | 20:37 |
| lcuk | maybe a tweak to the mariusbot to listen for mentions of the current council nicks and adds them to a small history page | 20:37 |
| VDVsx | Ah, another victim to help with the next summit venue :P | 20:37 |
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| lcuk | evening VDVsx | 20:38 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, lo | 20:38 |
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| lcuk | why does it still take as long nowadays to format a hard drive as it used to 10 years ago | 20:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, things got faster, but drives got bigger and filesystems more complicated. | 20:39 |
| lcuk | hard drives lag behind most other tech though \@/ | 20:39 |
| keesj | lcuk: we don't have More^2 law so the dist speed and size kinda grow together perhaps. but clearly you must be formating a old kind of file system :p | 20:40 |
| lcuk | first format on a brand new drive :) and yes, ntfs lol | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right, Windows. | 20:41 |
| * GeneralAntilles slaps lcuk with his paper-launching bot. | 20:41 | |
| * lcuk connects you to his ad-hoc | 20:41 | |
| fireun | lcuk: what did you get? | 20:41 |
| fireun | someone in another channel was getting a 512GB 2.5" 7200rpm drive | 20:42 |
| lcuk | just a new one cos my old pata packed up (im convinced it was a dodgy pata-sata converter) | 20:42 |
| fireun | I'm still stuck with a 30G that came with the laptop | 20:42 |
| lcuk | 3.5 desthstar 500gb | 20:42 |
| lcuk | death | 20:42 |
| fireun | WD? | 20:42 |
| fireun | wanna die | 20:42 |
| * lcuk still has to work out a way to see if the data can come off it | 20:43 | |
| lcuk | ive filled up the sata connectors ive got available now | 20:43 |
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| * GeneralAntilles just got a 750GB | 20:45 | |
| fireun | geebus | 20:45 |
| lcuk | show off | 20:45 |
| fireun | and when that fails, you'll lose 3/4 of a terrabyte! | 20:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, well, now it's only marginally less like packing a dozen clowns into a Beetle. | 20:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | fireun, I know, right? | 20:45 |
| fireun | think of all the porn you'll have to find again | 20:45 |
| lcuk | mind you, this 500 takes me to 1.6 | 20:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Drives are getting too damn big. | 20:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's messing with my head. | 20:46 |
| ds3 | now go do daily backups | 20:46 |
| lcuk | backing them up is a big problem | 20:46 |
| lcuk | i only backup my code nowadays | 20:46 |
| lcuk | i used to put movies and stuff | 20:46 |
| * GeneralAntilles remembers when a 75MB made his year. | 20:46 | |
| VDVsx | which is the max size in the market for a 2.5 driver nowdays ? | 20:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, hourly. | 20:46 |
| fireun | driver? | 20:46 |
| VDVsx | *drive | 20:46 |
| fireun | 512 from what I saw yesterday | 20:47 |
| lcuk | what capacity was the first hard drive ppl got and how much was it? | 20:47 |
| ds3 | new netapp product... filer + 2.5" drive in a 3.5" case :D | 20:47 |
| ds3 | s/product/idea/ | 20:47 |
| infobot | ds3 meant: new netapp idea... filer + 2.5" drive in a 3.5" case :D | 20:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, IBM had something in the 50s that was about 4MB | 20:47 |
| lcuk | but you didnt cos you are still a PFY | 20:47 |
| lcuk | you werent even a twinkle in the travelling salesmans eye when they were out | 20:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably this thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ST-506 | 20:48 |
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| lcuk | i had a quantum fireball 245MB for my amiga!! cost about £260 | 20:48 |
| lcuk | i drive past the building where i got it from every day :) | 20:49 |
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| ||cw | first I actually bought was a 800MB, which failed in less than a month so they gave me a 1GB | 20:51 |
| lfelipe | lcuk: just to remember it ? | 20:51 |
| ||cw | that was included in a system though | 20:51 |
| lfelipe | or do you really need to pass by it ? | 20:51 |
| lfelipe | eheheh | 20:51 |
| lcuk | lol no, i work about 200metres from it | 20:51 |
| lfelipe | :P | 20:51 |
| ||cw | I had a 10MB given to me though, in a XT | 20:51 |
| ||cw | 1/2 height 5.25" MFM disk | 20:52 |
| lcuk | i once had a plan to double the capacity of floppy disks by removing the mfm encoding - "cos everything is written twice" | 20:53 |
| ||cw | my fav was a 40MB SCSI disk that if you didn't run a head park util before powering off would corrupt the partition table | 20:53 |
| ||cw | was hella fast though | 20:53 |
| lcuk | you could shut them down couldnt you, but if you moved it then you were screwed | 20:54 |
| ||cw | had a 16MB ram card in a 386, ran win 3.11 with no swap file and could run anything I wanted no problems | 20:54 |
| lcuk | thats hot! | 20:54 |
| lcuk | i bet your mates were mega-jealous :D | 20:54 |
| ||cw | this one would corrupt the partition table if you shut it off without parking, not sure why | 20:54 |
| lcuk | sounds cargo cultish and a big enough warning to make sure you never tried it | 20:55 |
| lcuk | cos it wouldnt park in a powercut | 20:55 |
| ||cw | I suspect that it wasn't parking correctly and was hovering on the partition table, the park util somehow forced it to flush and park | 20:56 |
| lcuk | yeah agreed | 20:56 |
| ||cw | only had a sinlge partition on it, so fixing it was no big deal, just anoying | 20:56 |
| * fireun never uses single partitions | 20:56 | |
| ||cw | ran IBM PC-DOS 7 on it too, was sweet | 20:56 |
| lcuk | the head on my quantum used to get stuck and if i ever moved the amiga properly i would have to bang the back of it to get it moving again | 20:57 |
| ||cw | heh | 20:57 |
| ||cw | I had a 32MB mfm with a scratch, I figured out that if I partitioned it just right, the scratch was between the partitions and it worked fine, only lost 1MB of space | 20:57 |
| lcuk | heh, you shouldv just got a bitmap editor and marked a whole swath as bad ;) | 20:58 |
| ||cw | man I had some crap PC's back int eh day | 20:58 |
| ||cw | on mfm disks? did they even support that? | 20:58 |
| fireun | my gateway was sweet | 20:58 |
| lcuk | the innards mightv been crap, but old pcs were built externally to last | 20:58 |
| lcuk | yeah - all drives support a bitmap for bad allocation areas | 20:59 |
| ||cw | these were all hand-me-downs, the 386 I had in 1995 | 20:59 |
| lcuk | i remember cases being so heavy i could barely pick em up | 20:59 |
| fireun | you were smaller then I bet | 20:59 |
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| lcuk | lol compared to my amiga they were "serious business" | 21:00 |
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| fireun | I booted CPM yo | 21:01 |
| fireun | l33t | 21:01 |
| lcuk | i recall some of the first c code i read and tried to decypher were for cpm, there was a compiler and some other stuff :) never got to run it though | 21:02 |
| lcuk | 53% complete | 21:03 |
| fireun | nothing like having a computer with a "run" button | 21:03 |
| fireun | ah, the good ol days | 21:03 |
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| lcuk | turbo buttons need to come back for nokias | 21:03 |
| fireun | haha | 21:03 |
| lcuk | switch between ondemand and performance (H) | 21:03 |
| fireun | with a little led display showing the mhz | 21:04 |
| lcuk | OLED nowadays ;) | 21:04 |
| lcuk | and using custom glyphs for l33tness | 21:04 |
| fireun | mmm, glyphs | 21:05 |
| fireun | the aztec/inca/myan really were ahead of the curve | 21:05 |
| lcuk | best comment ever on slashdot: http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1150637&cid=27081501 | 21:05 |
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| Macer | i think i better get some opertons before they are no longer available :-\ | 21:07 |
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| alecrim | aloisiojr, depois eu cai | 21:33 |
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| alecrim | aloisiojr, mostra ai o teu nira.conf | 21:33 |
| florian | re | 21:34 |
| alecrim | sorry | 21:34 |
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| bjv | ok, without a Diablo-blessed apt.conf | 21:42 |
| bjv | we're going to try using a mirror, to try and dselect-upgrade 2008HE to diablo | 21:43 |
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| * lcuk hits LinuxCode on the head with a broken harddrive | 21:53 | |
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| * LinuxCode dies | 21:53 | |
| LinuxCode | allo ;-} | 21:53 |
| lcuk | hi there lc, hows tricks | 21:54 |
| * lcuk gives u a beer to revive u | 21:54 | |
| LinuxCode | Im having xen issues | 21:54 |
| lcuk | you tried the lotus position? | 21:54 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, you ever used xen ? | 21:54 |
| lcuk | nope | 21:54 |
| LinuxCode | k | 21:54 |
| * LinuxCode takes the harddrive and kills himself | 21:55 | |
| LinuxCode | lol | 21:55 |
| AStorm | bjv, uh, it may explode ;) | 21:55 |
| AStorm | or rather, it will explode | 21:55 |
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| bjv | AStorm: im having to do it in shifts. | 21:57 |
| lcuk | 95% complete i want my life back | 21:57 |
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| AStorm | LinuxCode, what issues? | 21:58 |
| bjv | no way to free 11meg, so we've got to eg: update browser, delete .debs, etc. | 21:58 |
| LinuxCode | AStorm, can we take it private, considering its off-topic really | 21:58 |
| LinuxCode | ? | 21:58 |
| lcuk | no | 21:59 |
| lcuk | fully public its not offtopic | 21:59 |
| * LinuxCode nudges lcuk | 21:59 | |
| lcuk | beer | 21:59 |
| AStorm | LinuxCode, yeah | 21:59 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 21:59 |
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| wazd | Hello there) | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, wazd. | 22:33 |
| wazd | I've finaly done all my routine work so I can spend weekend on maemo stuff :) | 22:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, ping? | 22:41 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, you should have something like a bat-signal | 22:45 |
| lcuk | your council tablets should start glowing | 22:45 |
| lcuk | "quick, its the bat-phone" | 22:46 |
| GAN800 | Neck tasers | 22:46 |
| lcuk | heh | 22:46 |
| * lcuk boogies to katy perry | 22:46 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I know you're there somewhere. :P | 22:51 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, you need to sign in as mentor too, in order to access and rank the students proposals :P | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, did I get an email for that? | 22:51 |
| VDVsx | yup | 22:51 |
| VDVsx | gmail | 22:51 |
| * GeneralAntilles 's inbox is full of Maemo spam. | 22:51 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Subject? | 22:51 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, maemo @GSoC | 22:52 |
| VDVsx | ... | 22:52 |
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| GAN800 | I think I read that one, but didn | 22:52 |
| GAN800 | 't notice instructions | 22:52 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, do i need to be marked as a mentor as well | 22:52 |
| GAN800 | I'll look again | 22:52 |
| VDVsx | GAN800, I sent it today | 22:52 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, yes | 22:53 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, I will send instr in pm | 22:53 |
| lcuk | errr email is better right now | 22:53 |
| lcuk | liquid@gmail.com | 22:53 |
| lcuk | im not on final machine | 22:53 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, oki | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, ah, I see it. It's hiding between a council thread and another council thread. :P | 22:54 |
| VDVsx | VDVsx, heheh | 22:54 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, sent | 22:55 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, add your info here too: http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/Mentors#Mentors | 22:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | midgard in the builder? | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting | 22:58 |
| * lcuk kicks his horrid machine | 22:58 | |
| lcuk | ok vdv done :) | 22:58 |
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| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, wtf, lol | 22:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, uploaded by root. | 22:59 |
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| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, you should receive a system notification now, in order to complete your profile | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, done. | 23:02 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, thanks | 23:02 |
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| Macer | good afternoon | 23:05 |
| GAN800 | Is it worth archiving the former council's wiki page? | 23:07 |
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| lcuk | its already archived if its in the wiki | 23:08 |
| lcuk | could do with a roll of honours though | 23:08 |
| lcuk | with current and previous members and their contributions :) | 23:08 |
| GAN800 | Sure, but there's no way to mark a particular edit, though. | 23:08 |
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| * lcuk kicks his computer some more | 23:09 | |
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| Macer | why are you kicking your computer? | 23:11 |
| lcuk | hard drive finally died | 23:11 |
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| lcuk | so i got a new one and its taking forever to get back to normal so i can rebuild everything and actually put my computer back together | 23:12 |
| ds3 | finally? did it linger for months on end with errors? | 23:12 |
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| lcuk | its a pata drive with a sata connector, it originally died a couple of months ago, just gave up. so i disconnected it and left it for a few days | 23:12 |
| lcuk | and out of curiosity plugged it back in | 23:12 |
| lcuk | it worked again for a couple of weeks.. | 23:13 |
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| lcuk | (nothing essential on it) | 23:13 |
| lcuk | it died again last night.. | 23:13 |
| Macer | you should have replaced it once it started to die ;) | 23:13 |
| lcuk | i DID buy a new drive | 23:13 |
| Macer | and taken a hammer to it | 23:14 |
| lcuk | but plugging it in worked right there | 23:14 |
| Macer | so it wouldn't sit there lingering haha | 23:14 |
| lcuk | so tracy got a new drive for her sims machine | 23:14 |
| Macer | sims hahaha | 23:14 |
| Macer | i usually have drives just lying around.. i swear i have a drawer of them | 23:14 |
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| lcuk | yeah i do, but none with the capacity of this | 23:15 |
| Macer | what was it? 750G? | 23:15 |
| Macer | 1.5TB? :) | 23:15 |
| lcuk | no, only 250 but it was the first 250 i got | 23:15 |
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| lcuk | most of the drives sitting are 80 and 120s | 23:15 |
| Macer | heh | 23:15 |
| Macer | i need to get hotswap bays for my server | 23:16 |
| lcuk | sata is hotswp isnt it | 23:16 |
| Macer | and i still need to get a passive video card since newegg was gay and sent me the wrong card | 23:16 |
| lcuk | underclock and remove the fan | 23:16 |
| lcuk | or add a resistor | 23:17 |
| Macer | lcuk: already sent it back | 23:17 |
| Macer | and waited a week and they still hadn't sent it out yet | 23:17 |
| lcuk | ouch, dont like mailorder | 23:17 |
| lcuk | thankfully around manchester theres plenty of hardware shops | 23:17 |
| Macer | lcuk: usually they are very good but i still haven't gotten a refund or replacement | 23:17 |
| lcuk | competition is good for prices as well | 23:17 |
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| Macer | and it's been over 2 weeks.. so now i've totally gotten pissed and told them to close my account and that i want my money back and will never order anything from them again | 23:18 |
| Macer | wtf... i have to wait 2 weeks for a refund or replacement because of their mistake? | 23:18 |
| Macer | what makes it even worse is they received the card over a week ago | 23:18 |
| lcuk | hell yeah | 23:18 |
| Macer | it takes that long for them to check it and send my replacement or give me my refund? | 23:18 |
| * lcuk wishes irc had <sarcasm> tags | 23:19 | |
| lcuk | that is shit of them | 23:19 |
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| Macer | heh | 23:27 |
| Macer | it is..... i just talked to their live chat and he said that my information can not be deleted from their server | 23:27 |
| Macer | uhm... yeah.. that made no sense... you can just as easily pull my infromation up.. there isn't a delete button ? | 23:27 |
| Macer | lol | 23:28 |
| Macer | there is a frys pretty close to here.. i think i will just drive there from now on :) i love frys | 23:28 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: pong | 23:31 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: ta | 23:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, just wondering about the Council wiki page | 23:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | whether it's worth archiving the whole thing at the end of a council's term. | 23:32 |
| Jaffa | It's got history in the wiki. | 23:32 |
| Jaffa | Having a section of previous council members (i.e. one section per term) makes sense, I think; but - certainly with the current content - evolution seems best. | 23:33 |
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| * Jaffa prefers the idea of a UK-style civil service continuing traditions and procedures as much as possible, rather than US-style "let's redo the whole administration from top to bottom" approach ;-) | 23:33 | |
| lcuk | +1 jaffa, look at [21:08] | 23:34 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk++ | 23:34 |
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| benson | Jaffa: those are largely dictated by the power structure -- since we have a council, and no Pres (or equivalent), it's likely to work out that way. | 23:35 |
| benson | Except in the unlikely case where no or few incumbents remain in office -- probably indicating something _did_ need redone. ;) | 23:36 |
| * lcuk offers everyone a penguin (the chocolate kind) | 23:36 | |
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| lcuk | benson a political coup! | 23:37 |
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| benson | lcuk: exactly | 23:37 |
| * benson is secretly planning a coup, that's why he hasn't run for council. | 23:38 | |
| * lcuk offers you a coup of cocoa | 23:38 | |
| benson | (They're much more pleasant for the incoming than the outgoing, or so I hear.) | 23:38 |
| * Jaffa sends an email to the secret council-hitsquad@maemo.org mailing address to ensure lcuk gets home "safely" | 23:39 | |
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| lcuk | you didnt mail them ealier and tell em to break my drive did you? | 23:40 |
| lcuk | when do the council costumes arrive by the way | 23:40 |
| lcuk | i heard there was a problem with the spandex | 23:40 |
| lcuk | THAT has to become a forum topic | 23:41 |
| StsN800 | ok, my screen isn't rotating atm. | 23:41 |
| StsN800 | i am so fucked if my n800 dies. | 23:42 |
| StsN800 | s/rotating/scrolling vertically | 23:42 |
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| StsN800 | it did it for 4 hrs | 23:43 |
| benson | lcuk: That's the council's M.O. now? If your belly hangs out, you just blame the spandex? They should move on to _real_ politics! | 23:43 |
| Luke-Jr2 | stupid bt headset is refusing to work :( | 23:43 |
| benson | They've obviously got the necessary skill set. | 23:43 |
| Luke-Jr2 | any ideas? | 23:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, damn, lcuk, I wish I had moderator permissions so I could abuse them. :P | 23:44 |
| Jaffa | benson: I'm an IT consultant. Bullshit's my middle name ;-) | 23:44 |
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| lbt | hello | 23:44 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, batteries connection switched on enabled running audio ... | 23:45 |
| jaska | bullshit, shit, it :D | 23:45 |
| benson | Luke-Jr2: FM radio? | 23:45 |
| Luke-Jr2 | ???? | 23:45 |
| Luke-Jr2 | N810 | 23:45 |
| lcuk | does it have batteries, is it switched on, is it connected, are you runniing audio | 23:45 |
| benson | If you use FM radio, it bludgeons the sound output control, and won't let it do HSP. | 23:45 |
| Luke-Jr2 | WEP200 | 23:45 |
| StsN800 | Jaffa, i think it's impressive people are imagniing up The Mer Foundation.. | 23:46 |
| Luke-Jr2 | lcuk it thinks it is idle | 23:46 |
| Luke-Jr2 | blue blink evry 3 sec | 23:46 |
| lcuk | reboot both as simplest quickest attempt.. | 23:46 |
| Luke-Jr2 | benson there is no FM | 23:46 |
| benson | (It probably does it on the N810, too, but I presume you haven't installed it...) | 23:46 |
| Luke-Jr2 | lcuk how to reboot WEP200? | 23:47 |
| lcuk | turn it off and back on again.. | 23:47 |
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| benson | It's the FM software, not thwe hardware, but if you didn't install it, you're cool there. | 23:47 |
| lcuk | luke-jr2 does it normally work | 23:48 |
| * benson still makes astonishingly many typos when typing lkefthanded and eating the rest of my pizza... | 23:48 | |
| GAN800 | So much pizza | 23:48 |
| lcuk | same pizza as earlier? | 23:48 |
| benson | Pizza: next best thing to a seat on the maemo.org council | 23:49 |
| Jaffa | StsN800: Very cool, yes. | 23:49 |
| GAN800 | But that reminds me, I need food. | 23:49 |
| benson | lcuk: yep, | 23:49 |
| benson | 0.625 pizza = breakfast | 23:49 |
| benson | 0.375 pizza = supper. | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn, all I've got left are sandwich ingredients. | 23:50 |
| * benson thinks he might need another meal right after supper. | 23:50 | |
| * lbt just had pancakes | 23:50 | |
| lcuk | beer and penguins for my tea | 23:50 |
| benson | GeneralAntilles: OK, so maybe pizza's _better_ than a council seat. | 23:51 |
| * lbt enjoyed his pancackes with lemon juice and sugar... so easy to make ... you could go and make your own right now you know.... | 23:51 | |
| lcuk | i can make many things | 23:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Justify your failings however you please, benson. :P | 23:51 |
| lcuk | but after the week ive had i need to at least try to wind down :) | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mmm, an evening Village Inn run does sound good. . . . | 23:51 |
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| lcuk | bye for now | 23:54 |
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