IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2009-03-13

rm_youyeah, i was looking into that00:00
rm_youthere's one called pyRecipe i think00:00
rm_youi tried it out00:00
GAN800Then you can say 'I want to make fried chicken' and it checks you shopping list and adds the necessary ingredients.00:00
rm_youyeah00:00
bensonWhat's the difference between a recipe and a shopping list?00:00
GAN800Having a database of items would be good too.00:00
bensonRecipe: Bacon buy 1 pound of bacon.00:01
b-manlcuk: busy on liqbase?00:01
GAN800benson, a lot.00:01
b-manlol00:01
bensonRecipe: fried eggs: buy one dozen eggs00:01
bensonetc.00:01
bensonJust the recipes all say "Fry until done" at the end?00:02
lcukthe list of ingredients needed to produce a selection of meals can be presented in a list optimized for shopping00:02
lcuksorted by aisle or area or category etc00:02
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bensonlcuk: simplify your life, have one ingredient per dish.00:02
bensonThen you only need the shopping list.00:02
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lcuklive on a farm and never go shopping again00:03
lbtGAN800: yep - happy to look at that kind of thing and hear UI suggestions :)00:03
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lcukFireFox4, lots of other things unfortunately, i havent had enough actual coding time to feel productive for a couple of weeks00:04
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FireFox4hmm :(00:06
* FireFox4 has been too busy to work on ubuntu a whole lot lately :(00:07
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FireFox4pluse i'm having some technical problems atm00:07
FireFox4with networking00:07
lcukits all the insane stuff you do00:08
FireFox4hehe :P00:09
* FireFox4 has a tendency to whare himself out doing what he does - lots of stress00:10
lcukdo you use wifi for net or usb?00:10
FireFox4wifi00:10
lcukstress? arent you in college?00:10
FireFox4i'm a sophmore in highschool :p00:11
lcukclsoe enough, whats stressful?00:11
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FireFox4between sports, school, friends and, my software projects00:12
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lcukFireFox4, are you the only one with a linux gene?00:13
lcukor do your other mates hack about00:13
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FireFox4i'm pritty much the only one in my class that has a lot of knowledge about linux - even the staff are impressed00:18
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lcukFireFox4, well yeah, you have no fear00:24
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lcukif(baby.sleeping) jaffa.goto(bed);00:25
FireFox4lcuk: hehe00:25
Jaffalcuk: indeed, nearly feeding time tho00:27
JaffaIf Mrs Jaffa left me, I'd be a singleton, then you could do Jaffa.getInstance(k00:27
lcukif mrs jaffa left you would be unhappy.00:28
lcukyou might get more sleep though00:28
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Jaffatrue00:28
lcukontopic: ive gotta find a way to sort out rotated xv00:30
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lardman|afklcuk: you realise that using gotos is frowned upon?00:39
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ds3but but gotos are so much more retro then a silly while loop!00:40
lardman:)00:40
lcukheh lardman, speaking of frowned upon hows the vb app you are writing going?00:41
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lardmandone and working, currentlt cutting holes in samples00:42
lardmanwell, assuming the stage breaks that is ;)00:42
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lcukwhen does mr bond arrive?00:42
lardmanhe's bringing the genetically mutated sea-bass00:42
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lcukheh00:43
lcukok, i can get liqbase to rotate 0 or 180 degrees, but it blows up when at 90 or 27000:43
* lcuk feels like hes encoding in rot1300:43
lardmanah, the wonders of portrait00:44
lcuki think the rotation patch does not correctly account for the xv pathways00:44
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lcukahhh well, ill dig in again later00:46
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lardmannight all00:46
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lcukgnite simon00:46
b-mansee ya simon00:47
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Khertan_n810it s a bit late00:54
Khertan_n810good night00:55
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FireFox4Myrtti: lol02:28
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GAN800Stskeeps, made Linux Devices03:55
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GAN800The pretty unlocalized screenshots show great. . . .03:58
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LopLiiihow can i get debian on my itt?06:32
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ProteousMAGIC06:44
Proteousbut that is only out route06:44
Proteousit's my favorite method though06:44
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Macerhttp://www.animelyrics.com/anime/gundamseed/akatsukinokuruma.htm07:10
Macerthat's an awesome song07:10
luke-jr07:19
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Macerblah09:00
Myrttiit is a morning :-)09:11
RST38hreally?09:12
RST38hSerge Foucher, president of Sony France, is being held "hostage" by angry workers whose plant is about to close.  <=== it's a morning indeed09:13
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timelessx-fade: ping09:24
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* Stskeeps yawns and stretches09:28
suihkulokkiRST38h: a video tape manufacturing plant - are the workers really expecting that there is future in their job? :P09:30
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* timeless frowns09:31
timelessshould 'sudo' for scratchbox be replaced by a script that says 'you should use fakeroot'?09:32
Stskeepsthat's a good question :P09:32
timelesssts? help09:41
Stskeepsmorning09:41
timelesshttps://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=113409:41
timelesswhere is that app?09:42
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timelesshttps://garage.maemo.org/projects/osm2go/ ?09:42
Stskeepsyeah09:42
* timeless goes to make a bugzilla product for it09:42
Stskeepsthey have a pretty active bug tracker in garage09:42
Stskeepsso they should probably be prodded :P09:43
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timelessi'll make it disabled and contact them somehow09:43
vasily_pupkinHi! anybody use mplayer on nXXX from svn?09:44
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* timeless kicks andrew chadwicdk09:48
timelesss/dk/k/09:48
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timelessbtw, how have we gone about migrating bugs from tracker?09:50
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* Stskeeps notes his beagle compiles much faster than his qemu.09:57
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timelessandre__: why isn't bug 761 imported?09:59
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pupnik_http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3513779569.html10:05
pupnik_Nokia announced a home automation system based on the open source OpenWrt Linux distribution. Due in late 2009, the Z-wave wireless radio-equipped Nokia Home Control Center will let users remotely control security, automation, and energy management applications via their mobile phones, says Nokia.10:05
Stskeepsyeah, no surprises10:05
Stskeepsalso, old article10:06
Stskeepsthere's an Mer article on LD now as well, and anyway, with NHCC, imagine it linked in with tablets.10:06
Stskeepsi really wonder why openwrt on a machine like that though10:07
Stskeeps533mhz, 256mb, 6gb internal storage :P10:07
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* RST38h moos10:08
pupnik_first build Q3a 35-60 fps on pandora10:08
pupnik_hi10:09
RST38his pandora released?10:09
timelessdoes someone here have rss feed reader handy?10:09
timeless(small test)10:09
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Stskeepsfor once i do10:10
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timelessadd a new feed for: http://tinyurl.com/57so4h10:12
pupnik_RST38h: no. CE testing now.10:12
Wikierhttp://www.w3.org/TR/Pointers-in-RDF/10:12
Wikierups, wrong channel10:13
Wikiersorry10:13
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Stskeepstimeless: intended happening?10:13
Stskeepsi see tinyurl icon and "andre klapper's blog"10:14
timelessok10:14
Stskeepsshouldn't it be the icon of the redirected page?10:16
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timelessbug 93510:17
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Stskeepsstores the tinyurl for me10:18
timelessin both fields?10:19
timelesshtmlUrl="http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper" xmlUrl="http://tinyurl.com/57so4h"10:19
Stskeepsah, i was just looking within the UI10:19
Stskeepsin feed details10:19
timelessui=junk :)10:19
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Stskeepscorrect, htmlUrl = the actual place, xmlurl = the xml url10:21
Stskeepsas in tiny url10:21
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Stskeepswhoa10:24
Stskeepsjaiku is fast10:24
timelesswow, someone is still using me as repository.maemo.org10:24
* timeless frowns10:25
Stskeepsmm?10:25
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timelessfrom the days when repository.maemo.org was broken10:25
timelessi had a clone10:25
Stskeepsyeah, it shows up on google quite often10:25
AddisonGreetings all!10:25
timelessactually10:25
timelessmaybe someone is spidering me?10:26
AddisonHeya timeless and Stskeeps.10:26
timelesshi10:26
AddisonEither one of you two guys smart?  *lol*10:26
AddisonI posted a question over on the Garnet board, was wondering if anyone would be willing to look at it.10:27
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Stskeepsmorning johnx10:30
Passeli_is there a way for application to check underlying hardware version, N770/N800N810  ?10:31
Stskeeps /proc/component-version is one, but please don't crash or assume it's non-maemo if it doesn't exist :P10:32
X-Fadetimeless: pong ;)10:36
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JaffaMorning, all10:51
pupnik_so you guys think ARM type cpus have a good future now?10:52
pupnik_i'd guess so10:52
pupnik_people still want computing.  and x86 is a dinosaur like detroit V8s10:53
timelessgoogle thinks v8 is the future :)10:53
pupnik_yeah i'm starting to learn that whatever i think is 'good' is a bad investement10:54
pupnik_and whatever is totally fucking evil is a good one10:54
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Jaffapupnik_: Nah, I used to think Acorn were good - company went down the tubes but they'd've been a *fantastic* investment.10:55
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pupnik_really?10:56
pupnik_cool10:56
JaffaThey only went belly up as the bean counters got in charge of a computer company and realised that their 49% ARM holding was worth much more than any computers they could build. So they sold up, in exchange turning 1 Acorn Computers share (about 32p at the time, IIRC) into 2 ARM shares (about  32ukp at the time)10:56
pupnik_maybe it's just my stupid brain trying to figure out some rules and regulatiry10:56
pupnik_wow10:57
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AddisonBenson!  Hey!11:05
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RST38hEHLO ALL again11:12
Stskeepsehlo11:12
ukkimorning11:13
RST38hSo, have they beheaded that French Sony CEO ? =)11:14
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AddisonHiya ukki!  :)11:18
AddisonWhat's a guy like you doing in a nice place like this, Ukki? *lol*11:19
ukkigood question11:20
ukkisame as you i guess11:20
AddisonThanks!  It took me six minutes to think that one up!  :)11:20
AddisonHey, real quick.  What do you do for a living Ukki?  Just curious, that's all.11:23
ukkianother good question11:24
ukkimy title is software designer11:24
ukkibut i never get to design anything really11:24
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AddisonSounds like you're well under your boss, Ukki.  You deserve better.11:25
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AddisonAs much as I would like to stay and fluff your feathers, Ukki, I need to head off.  Hope you have a great day and thanks again for all the efforts you put into Ruby!11:26
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VDVsxStskeeps, http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4893289864.html?kc=rss12:07
VDVsx:)12:07
Stskeepsyeah, saw this morning12:07
VDVsxno ipks this time :)12:08
VDVsxeheheh12:08
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Stskeepsi'm not entirely fond of the fact they gave a subscriber link within the article but yeah..12:08
VDVsxlol12:09
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Stskeepsin either way it's good that we get some exposure as we really do have an interesting project :P12:10
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timelessping12:28
Myrttipong12:28
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ElPolloReading the mer article, I read the part of the omap2 graphics drivers. Is that the part where we're actually going to gain access to the powervr (or am I being too optimistic? :P)12:32
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X-FadeElPollo: Quim is talking to TI for that. There is hope, but you never know ;)12:33
JaffaElPollo: See http://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification (and its talk page)12:33
ElPolloX-Fade: :D  @Jaffa: Yeah, keeping track on that one.12:34
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andre__timeless, why should 761 be imported?12:41
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timelE61iwEll, it should e fixed12:58
StskeepsElPollo: Mer doesn't rely on getting those drivers though12:58
Stskeepsbut it'd be really nice if we did have them12:59
timelE61iIf the spec and owners aren't doing something... Then they need a bug12:59
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ElPolloStskeeps: Nah.. I'm not getting my hopes up, but it'd be nice... very nice.13:07
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Henry_BeanHello guys, is it possible to get a totally console-only instalation of maemo, from which one can do, i.e., 'apt-get install hildon' and you get it?14:04
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Stskeepsfor what purpose perhaps?14:04
Henry_BeanStskeeps: I don't know, maybe for having always the last hildon version...14:05
Henry_Beanor having a console-only internet tablet :)14:06
Stskeepshehe. only thing i can see would be either 1) hacking up fb console mode for Maemo itself and go insane at the shell or 2) install ubuntu or mer14:06
Stskeeps:P14:06
RST38hOh yess: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-72814:08
ElPolloLol @770&800 console only :P14:08
StskeepsElPollo: with USB keyboard it isn't extremely unreasonable14:09
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ElPolloStskeeps: True.. true14:13
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matmohi guys, anyone using eclipse+pluthon? The console was working ok to begin with but now output only appears after the python code ends14:22
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mib_fg38ebw5hi everyone!14:29
mib_fg38ebw5does anyone here is working with maemo barcode?14:29
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t-norhi, is there a special irc channel for N810 device ?16:27
suihkulokkit-nor: you are there16:27
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t-norsuihkulokki: thanks, i have problems to install some packages16:28
t-norhttp://pastebin.com/m2159ea0516:28
t-norhere is the error16:28
t-norhow could i fox it ?16:28
t-nors/fox/fix16:29
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Jaffat-nor: I dunno the qt libs, but you /could/ use dpkg --force16:29
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inzt-nor, you likely want to remove the libphonon4 -package, as it is essentially the same as libqt4-phonon16:36
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RST38hARM-based platform makers including Qualcomm and Freescale are looking to unveil netbooks at this year's Computex trade show in Taipei.16:45
Stskeepsno surprises16:46
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JaffaBTW, looks like iPhone 3.0 OS (to be unveiled on Tuesday) will include Bluetooth tethering16:51
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GAN800$10 it'll only work on the 3rd gen Cortex iPhone being announced the week after. ;)16:53
* Jaffa tries to resist a comment about delivering features users want in an actual announced device16:53
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Jaffacos, y'know, we don't know anyone who's sitting on something ;-)16:54
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Stskeepswhen is the election over, btw?16:55
* RST38h wonders what happens when Steve Jobs finally dies16:55
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RST38hWill the faithful bury him in a huge crystal cube somewhere in California and visit him on the annual basis?16:55
RST38hCan we actually hope for a decent full fledged cult?16:56
RST38hMaybe some truly interesting sacrifice ritual?16:56
JaffaStskeeps: Err, a week after the start. So mid next week.16:57
Stskeepsk16:57
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JaffaRST38h: That's a bit out of order. He's still a human being, and cancer's not really a laughing matter16:57
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thuxhi, can't seem to find screen, is it under diffrent name?18:19
Corsachmhm, wtf18:19
Corsachttp://product.iriver.co.kr/p_d35_feat.asp18:19
Corsachttp://product.iriver.co.kr/p_d31_multi.asp18:20
Jaffathux: as in the console app, `screen'?18:22
thuxJaffa: yes18:23
JaffaIt's in the SDK repo, dunno about tools or extras18:24
JaffaI *think* there's a mud-recipe for it, so it'd be trivial to put into extras18:24
thuxok thanks18:24
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lbtStskeeps: it's still going...19:14
Stskeepslbt: yeah, and i even have a beagle trying alongside :P19:14
Stskeepsi wonder if it'll be done before 0.10 ;)19:15
lbtany mileage in re-building ubuntu gcc19:15
lbtheh19:15
lbtargh19:17
lbtI just remembered another build thing I had to frig19:17
lbtit tries to run qmake or moc19:17
lbtbut it only has qmake-qt4 or moc-qt419:17
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asasakihow do i attach a signing key to my garage account (already created)?19:18
Stskeepslbt: well it built on x86 so19:18
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Stskeepsthen it'll prolly build on armel19:19
lbttrue19:19
lbtI'm going to write some docs...19:19
vasily_pupkinwhat players can play mp3/etc other DSP processor?19:20
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Mekhmm.. what to do when I haven't received my voting instructions e-mail?19:22
Mekprobably because one of my secondary email addresses can no longer receive mail...19:24
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JaffaMek: email dneary19:26
Jaffa(dneary@maemo.org)19:26
Mekthanks19:27
JaffaInclude your maemo.org username and I guess he can invalidate the token against the secondary address and issue a new one against the primary19:28
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vasily_pupkinis mplayer/maemo port on garage dead?19:44
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* RST38h moos lazily20:07
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* GeneralAntilles is too lazy to do an oil change.20:10
GeneralAntillesBeagle Board site was updated20:12
Stskeepsnew board or?20:12
Stskeepsah20:12
Stskeepspoints to Mer on front page20:12
Stskeepsneat20:12
Stskeeps(as in, beagleboard.org)20:13
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GAN800Stskeeps, the Garage project page.20:29
StskeepsGAN800: yeah, just saw20:29
Stskeepslooks nice20:29
GAN800Nobody knows how to show decent screenshots.20:29
GAN800I can't believe the alpha shipped with a background that has to be upscaled.20:30
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jeremiahhello world21:16
jeremiahvery short post, then I have to leave21:16
jeremiahhttp://blog.jeremiahfoster.com/?p=5721:17
jeremiahSynergy working on the N81021:17
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RST38hLibel Suits OK Even If Libel Is Truthful21:36
RST38hhehe21:36
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jaemhey folks21:43
jaemOT question:  I have a laptop.  I need to boot it into a LiveCD environment, and take a disk image of the hard drive, which I need to dump onto my desktop over my LAN.  I have no intermediate storage media capable of holding the image.  What's the easiest method of getting it onto the other computer?21:45
jaemI can think of a few ways, but I don't know which would be simpest21:45
jaemsimplest*21:45
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`0660netcat21:47
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jaemhaha21:47
jaemI'm thinking not21:47
till__what about a nfs mount?21:47
jaem;)21:47
jaemthat would work... but I don't have that set up on the receiving machine21:47
jaemI was thinking of sshfs21:47
Myrttirsync? scp?21:47
inzwhat's wrong with netcat?21:47
jaembut I've had issues with that in the past21:48
* Myrtti doesn't know21:48
`0660i like netcat21:48
jaemMyrtti:  I can't store the image anywhere before transferrring it21:48
jaemthat's what makes this fun21:48
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jaemI have to image the HDD directly onto the other computer's hard drive21:48
till__i think netcat or nfs would be the easiest21:48
jaemokay21:49
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jaemthanks21:49
jaemit's a new laptop, so I'm rather excited to get it up and running21:49
jaemwell, new to me, and in good condition - it's a Dell Latitude D63021:49
Myrtti:-D congrats21:49
inzI have D83021:49
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Myrttithough - erm21:50
till__"cat /dev/[sh]d |nc target port" or so on the client21:50
MyrttiI'd really want the soundchip drivers to do pc speaker21:50
till__and "nc -l -p port > file" on the server21:50
till__if i remember correctly21:50
jaemtill__: thanks - I'd seen similar examples, but I hadn't played around with nc before21:50
jaemI'll try that21:50
till__i used it for dvb stream over ethernet21:50
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inzI wanted decent reso, so I opted for D83021:52
MyrttiI wanted a laptop.21:53
Myrtti:-D21:53
jaemyay netcat - I'm getting blinkenlights :D21:53
till__forgot the > file ?21:54
jaeminz: well, this is a "free on loan until you're out of school" deal, so I'm not complaining, although WXGA is a bit painful21:54
jaemtill__: no, it seems to be working fine21:54
jaemthat was what I meant21:54
till__fine21:54
till__i rembered the raw dvb-s stream comming out as very interesting characters21:55
jaemno doubt21:55
till__:)21:55
jaemwell, I'm off to get a haircut while I wait21:55
jaemI'll be back in a little while21:55
till__hf21:56
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nickmackhello, does anyone know how can i get battery status, installed SO info, memory available... from N8x0 device?22:27
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christefanonickmack: see http://nitapps.com/22:31
nickmackk... tyvm22:32
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lcukis there a video of the maemo 5 ui running at fullspeed anywhere?23:08
lcukif not, could someone make one and upload it.  i would like to see it as it is intended and its extremely frustrating seeing it slow23:10
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jaemhello, b-man23:43
b-manhello, jaem :)23:43
jaemI think I'll take another shot at Ubuntu... seeing as I've probably just toasted my Maemo install23:44
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jaemI was trying to switch bash packages, and it got half-removed and now won't install the new one23:44
jaemsome post-install script error >_<23:44
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* b-man hates his connection :P23:47
jaem:(23:47
jaemI got a new laptop today, and it came with a WinXP/Ubuntu dual-boot23:47
jaemon ext2, for some reason :S23:47
jaemin any case, I'm wiping it, so it doesn't bother me, but seems like a bad idea23:48
b-manhmm23:51
b-mani'd save ubuntu :)23:51
b-man(by backing it up on another drive)23:52
b-manjeam: what brand of laptop?23:55
b-manre: jaem - sorry :p23:56
||cwjaem: on hdd or flash?23:56
lcukjaem, rtfm about your laptop, you might regret blanket wiping it, check you have recovery disks23:56
* lcuk made a set with his x41, keeping the xp license and disk might be useful one day23:57
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