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| Macer | well | 00:03 |
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| Macer | finally have debian on this thing | 00:03 |
| Macer | think that's the last time i decide to choose the 1 drive lvm encrypted option | 00:03 |
| Macer | that crap took like 12 hours | 00:03 |
| woglinde | lol | 00:04 |
| lcuk | ive got a mouse cursor on my maemo screen. i wondered what it was and tried to push it off | 00:04 |
| * lcuk has never seen a pointer on maemo before | 00:04 | |
| Macer | really? | 00:05 |
| Macer | it pops up every now and then | 00:05 |
| lcuk | not with normal apps | 00:05 |
| lcuk | it probably just stands out more cos of my blue desktop background | 00:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: as root, make sure /home/user/.icons/default/index.theme says: [Icon Theme]<newline>Inherits=xcursor-transparent . Reboot and thy cursor shall be gone. | 00:07 |
| lcuk | ill just reboot qwerty, its prob cos i killed wm and desktop and stuff yesterday | 00:08 |
| lcuk | just surprised me cos i havent seen it b4 | 00:08 |
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| Macer | wow.. whatever gnome uses for its filemanager really sucks | 00:08 |
| woglinde | speed? | 00:09 |
| lcuk | in ubuntu on my laptop its annoying | 00:09 |
| woglinde | or what? | 00:09 |
| lcuk | metacity isnt it | 00:09 |
| Macer | it opens a new window for every dir | 00:09 |
| woglinde | ????? | 00:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nautilus | 00:09 |
| lcuk | lol win95 | 00:09 |
| Macer | yah | 00:09 |
| Macer | nautilus | 00:09 |
| Macer | i'm trying to figure out whereyou change that | 00:09 |
| Macer | then there is no way to go up a dir | 00:09 |
| Macer | : | 00:09 |
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| lcuk | whats metacity then and why did it pop in my head | 00:09 |
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| woglinde | oh I thought you mean the file dialog | 00:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the wm | 00:09 |
| Macer | like in vista when they took the up arrow away | 00:09 |
| lcuk | thx | 00:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Macer: ubuntu's gnome doesn't exhibit that behaviour for me. iirc new windows is a setting sthat can be changed in gconf (or there's probably an quicker way from settings somewhere) | 00:11 |
| Macer | i guess you have to set it up to use a "browser" | 00:11 |
| Macer | there is an option for it | 00:12 |
| woglinde | I dont use gnome at all | 00:12 |
| woglinde | isnatlling ion3 or blackbox makes you happy | 00:12 |
| Macer | omg this thing has like... a HUGE tool bar :) | 00:12 |
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| Direc_ | I installed ubuntu-n8x0 on external mem card, and the boot screen reboots when loading linuxrc... any tips? | 00:13 |
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| Direc_ | waits and reboots, that is | 00:14 |
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| kaie | hi. I wish the skype app would give me a sound notification when I receive a chat message | 00:21 |
| kaie | I know, I should report that to skype, just curious whether you know how to enable it | 00:21 |
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| Direc_ | ah, found it: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=264638&postcount=55 | 00:32 |
| Direc_ | say hi to all the little differences in kernel versions... :) | 00:34 |
| Direc_ | boy, this takes time to boot! | 00:35 |
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| neatojones | Direc: The first time takes the longest | 00:40 |
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| zer0mdq | hey, after i upgraded my n810 from chinook to diablo, now when i connect to a wifi network my /etc/resolv.conf doesn't update automatically | 00:49 |
| zer0mdq | dhcp works, i get the ip addrrs, the gateway but no DNS :S | 00:49 |
| zer0mdq | any idea? | 00:49 |
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| alan_peery | I was missing the ability to set to using small fonts in Pidgin. Xchat appears to have this, which I find to be much more useful. | 01:37 |
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| * b-man starts the long prosess of re-imaging his ubuntu-n8x0 repository (applying a large upgrade to the repo allong with several new packages including support for Adobe Flashplayer 9 :D) | 02:21 | |
| zer0mdq | hey, after i upgraded my n810 from chinook to diablo, now when i connect to a wifi network my /etc/resolv.conf doesn't update automatically | 02:22 |
| zer0mdq | any idea? | 02:22 |
| zer0mdq | dhcp works, i get the ip addrrs, the gateway but no DNS :S | 02:22 |
| mgedmin | /etc/resolv.conf isn't supposed to | 02:24 |
| mgedmin | it always points to localhost | 02:24 |
| mgedmin | where dnsmasq sits | 02:24 |
| mgedmin | and proxies to the real dns | 02:24 |
| mgedmin | which is in /tmp/resolv.conf.dnsmasq or something like that, I forgot | 02:24 |
| mgedmin | downside: no 'search' or 'domain' option in your /etc/resolv.conf | 02:24 |
| zer0mdq | mm the only way i got to work is to add mi router ip address to my /etc/resolv.conf | 02:26 |
| mgedmin | weird | 02:27 |
| zer0mdq | i have a /tmp/resolv.conf.wlan0 | 02:28 |
| mgedmin | that's the one | 02:28 |
| zer0mdq | with the router addrs on it | 02:28 |
| mgedmin | dnsmasq is supposed to talk to it | 02:28 |
| mgedmin | is dnsmasq running? | 02:28 |
| mgedmin | s/talk to it/read it/ | 02:28 |
| zer0mdq | but until i edited the /etc/resolv.conf, it did not worked | 02:28 |
| zer0mdq | mgedmin: let me check | 02:29 |
| zer0mdq | it wasn't running | 02:30 |
| zer0mdq | i just started | 02:30 |
| zer0mdq | let me check now | 02:30 |
| zer0mdq | yep, now it's working | 02:32 |
| zer0mdq | but it seems that after a reboot it doesn't start automatically | 02:32 |
| mgedmin | weird | 02:33 |
| zer0mdq | all the websites work, except for......... maemo.org :O | 02:33 |
| mgedmin | heh | 02:33 |
| zer0mdq | i reflashed it last sunday with the last image of diablo | 02:33 |
| mgedmin | which one is that? | 02:35 |
| zer0mdq | RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 02:36 |
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| mgedmin | it's the one that I have here | 02:36 |
| mgedmin | no DNS problems | 02:36 |
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| test34 | anyone tried android on the n810? is it worth a try ? | 02:45 |
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| fireun | not sure they have wifi working yet, so... unless yer bored or want to make apps | 02:47 |
| FireFox3 | wireless works.. i think | 02:51 |
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| wzhou | [Quez] How can I autorun my application after system start without X support? thanks | 05:03 |
| Proteous | magic | 05:04 |
| wzhou | my application needs to run at root level, I need to becomeroot everytime, and spawn it. Is that a simple way, like autorun? I can do this in ubuntu or debian desktop with initrc. | 05:04 |
| Proteous | I'm not the right person to be asking this too | 05:04 |
| wzhou | :) | 05:05 |
| Proteous | I would probably train a monkey to type the commands in for me at boot | 05:05 |
| wzhou | lol | 05:06 |
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| wzhou | is there other way to gain root access than becameroot? | 05:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wzhou, rootsh | 05:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's in Extras. | 05:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~extras | 05:21 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 05:21 |
| wzhou | wow~ cool~ thanks alot! I'll check it~ | 05:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I don't know what geneven's angle is. | 05:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, what, did you name drop? :P ;) | 05:57 |
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| b-man | hello, neatojones :) | 06:39 |
| neatojones | hey | 06:39 |
| neatojones | hey | 06:39 |
| b-man | hehe | 06:39 |
| b-man | how is e17 going? | 06:40 |
| neatojones | sorry again about the thread hijacking | 06:40 |
| neatojones | how've you been | 06:40 |
| neatojones | It's building (mostly) | 06:40 |
| neatojones | I'm a good way through. | 06:40 |
| neatojones | many of the packages are already on the mer repo | 06:41 |
| b-man | i've been fine, i'm trying to fix a dependence bug with adobe-flashplayer and the xulrunner plugin | 06:41 |
| b-man | sorry for the slow response) | 06:41 |
| b-man | neatojones: mind if i add those packages to the ubuntu-n8x0 repo now? :) | 06:42 |
| neatojones | which ones? | 06:43 |
| b-man | the packages that you've recently built | 06:43 |
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| b-man | ...? | 06:47 |
| neatojones | oh, sure | 06:50 |
| neatojones | you can load any of them. | 06:51 |
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| neatojones | The ones in the Mer repo are more compliant (probably). | 06:51 |
| timelE61i | neatojones: what's the problem w/ flash? | 06:51 |
| neatojones | problem with flash? | 06:52 |
| neatojones | brb...xchat is acting up | 06:52 |
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| neatojones | sorry.. I'm back | 06:52 |
| b-man | timelF61i: it's just a little glitch i'm fixing right now ;) | 06:53 |
| neatojones | I missed something...? | 06:54 |
| b-man | nope | 06:54 |
| neatojones | the ecore is loaded up. But e won't be functional until I get the e17 packages loaded. | 06:54 |
| neatojones | Right now, it's been choking over some windows code in the configure.ac file | 06:55 |
| b-man | hmm | 06:55 |
| neatojones | on embryo... | 06:55 |
| neatojones | not sure why...so I've been commenting it out and trying to build | 06:55 |
| neatojones | hopefully, I'm not screwing anything up :D It looks to me like it's windows code though... so, I think I'm safe. | 06:56 |
| b-man | hehe | 06:57 |
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| neatojones | we'll see. BTW. I think the problem qole was having might have been related to having mixed packages installed (some mine and some his). | 06:57 |
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| neatojones | I mean some were mine and some were in ubuntu | 06:57 |
| b-man | probibly | 06:58 |
| neatojones | I think some of my versions don't use the same naming scheme as ubuntu | 06:58 |
| neatojones | so, they look older, but are actually newer | 06:58 |
| b-man | most likely | 06:58 |
| neatojones | I'll go through and fix it eventually...but for now, just want to get it up and working. | 06:58 |
| neatojones | b-man, there's probably at least 40 packages I've added this evening. | 06:59 |
| b-man | how big is the whole desktop? | 06:59 |
| neatojones | not too big actually. | 07:01 |
| neatojones | the packages are pretty small | 07:01 |
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| neatojones | I'm thinking it was like 40 or 70megs | 07:01 |
| b-man | that's not too bad :) | 07:01 |
| b-man | lighter than lxde | 07:01 |
| neatojones | nah. I got it loaded using 32mb or RAM/swap | 07:02 |
| neatojones | fully functional: wlan0 was up as well as bt | 07:02 |
| b-man | nice | 07:02 |
| neatojones | that raster guy that made it claims he can get it to load with only 11 or 12 | 07:03 |
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| b-man | hmm | 07:03 |
| neatojones | I don't know that it's possible. E17 is pretty light, but we have quite a few things starting like the wifi and ssh and bt, etc | 07:03 |
| * b-man thinks it's halarious that the ubuntu jaunty guys are trying to compile qemu for armel, but are failing miserably | 07:06 | |
| b-man | it wasn't ment to run on arm XD | 07:07 |
| b-man | most of the sorce code isn't even compatible | 07:07 |
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| b-man | it uses some binary calls that arm doesn't recognise | 07:08 |
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| luke-jr | … | 07:09 |
| luke-jr | b-man: qemu was meant to be portable | 07:10 |
| b-man | but there hasn't been any fully successful builds for armel from my knowledge.. correct me if i'm wrong | 07:11 |
| * neatojones still can't get embryo to build | 07:12 | |
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| neatojones | b-man: just reread the thread. Flash will be sweet! | 07:16 |
| neatojones | does it install to firefox directory? | 07:16 |
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| b-man | if you install xulrunner-plugin-ubuntu-flashplayer ;) | 07:16 |
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| neatojones | I'm guessing I can simply copy the .so file to my home directory for midori right? | 07:17 |
| b-man | possibly, if that's the plugin directory | 07:17 |
| neatojones | (I mean into wherever midori stores plugins | 07:17 |
| neatojones | right. | 07:18 |
| b-man | it should | 07:18 |
| b-man | neatojones: btw don't install xulrunner-plugin-ubuntu-flashplayer just yet, it still has a small bug | 07:19 |
| neatojones | ok | 07:19 |
| neatojones | If anyone that understands deb packaging better than me wouldn't mind taking a look at the .logs from the embryo packages that crashed during build, I would really appreciate it. For now, I'm going to try and update svn and see if that fixes it. | 07:20 |
| b-man | pluse i need to update osso-esd for Adobe Flashplayer - i had the wrong version number | 07:20 |
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| neatojones | I wish I could connect to the internet in my scratchbox | 07:20 |
| neatojones | this is a pain otherwise. | 07:21 |
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| * b-man needs to sleep - 12:22 here and it's a schoolnight XP g'night | 07:24 | |
| Guest91972 | Hi, everyone | 07:24 |
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| b-man | hello and goodbye XD | 07:25 |
| qgil | off topic but wow http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2277640.ece | 07:25 |
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| qgil | and more seriously, impressed by http://jyro.blogspot.com/2009/03/frets-on-fire-on-maemo-5-fremantle.html | 07:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qgil, need multitouch to make it work well on a device, though. | 07:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | The horrible framerate doesn't show so well. :( | 07:40 |
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| qgil | GeneralAntilles: he explains about the framerate in the blog post | 07:50 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: but yeah, I hadn't thought about the obvious multitouch, and I guess in that game you do get 2 presses (or more?) at once | 07:50 |
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| qgil | there is a comment in the Frets On Fire posts that seems to suggest that mp3 support comes for free | 07:58 |
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| qgil | I wonder if people is aware about things like http://mp3licensing.com/ | 07:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm going to start launching 2x4s at people who use "freemantle". . . . | 07:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Blog comments are golden. | 07:59 |
| RST38h | qgil: yes. | 07:59 |
| Pavlov | lol | 07:59 |
| qgil | that could be a good name to the Fremantle community edition for OMAP2 :P | 07:59 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: so "fermentle" is still OK? | 07:59 |
| * GeneralAntilles launches a 2x4 at luke-jr. | 07:59 | |
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| Pavlov | freethemantle!! | 08:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I usually have to try to refrain from reading the comments on Engadget. | 08:00 |
| qgil | the pronunciation is also important (like for any open source project, it seems) and I have heard many "fremanTILE" already | 08:00 |
| RST38h | qgil: open source stuff somehow evades the licensing thing though | 08:00 |
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| qgil | RST38h: "open source stuff" yes but not device manufacturers shipping products with mp3 support preinstalled | 08:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, just toss this at people http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/audio.pl?ggfrem01.wav=Fremantle | 08:01 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: oh, thanks | 08:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qgil, or you could do your own "Hello, this is Quim Gil, and I pronounce Fremantle as Fremantle." ;) | 08:02 |
| luke-jr | ROFL | 08:02 |
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| qgil | (would be useful to get the pronunciation of 'Quim Gil' right as well) | 08:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 08:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, you're not the North Korean dictator, then? :P | 08:03 |
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| luke-jr | I thought that was Kim Sung? | 08:03 |
| qgil | once a native English speaker called me "Quim Girl", which was funny enough according to my knowledge of English slang | 08:03 |
| RST38h | qgil: yep, which also explains lack of encoding in most devices | 08:03 |
| * neatojones finally gets embryo to build! | 08:04 | |
| RST38h | qgil: $2..5 license fee is about the same you would pay for the SDRAM chip | 08:04 |
| luke-jr | that's one smart embryo | 08:04 |
| qgil | RST38h: it's a good business, indeed | 08:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, if you put together a recording of that we could put it on a loop on maemo.org. ;) | 08:05 |
| * luke-jr is glad his browsers don't allow webpages to make noise | 08:05 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Woot's got a $15 Bluetooth headset if anybody needs one. | 08:06 |
| ds3 | rebate? | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, on woot? | 08:06 |
| luke-jr | that *is* tempting | 08:07 |
| luke-jr | bet I'd never use it tho | 08:07 |
| ds3 | Oh woot | 08:07 |
| qgil | oooooohhhhhmmmmmmmmmmaaeemmmmmoooohhhhhhhmmmmmmaaaaeeemmmmooohhhhhhmmmmmmmm | 08:08 |
| luke-jr | for some reason I can only get Maemo to connect while it's on my LAN | 08:08 |
| luke-jr | and when it's on my LAN, I have the regular phone sitting next to me | 08:08 |
| luke-jr | (without the wireless latency) | 08:09 |
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| qgil | by the way RST38h (or someone), do you happen to know why Stallmann endorsed the BSD license for Ogg codecs? | 08:09 |
| luke-jr | why wouldn't Stallman endorse BSDL? | 08:10 |
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| Pinger | Hi | 08:10 |
| qgil | that's my question, it's a usual quote when someone referes at Ogg codecs licensing | 08:10 |
| qgil | in wikipedia for instance | 08:10 |
| Pinger | Hi, boys, i need your help | 08:11 |
| qgil | "The libraries were originally released under the GNU Lesser General Public Licence, but a BSD license was later chosen with the endorsement of Richard Stallman." | 08:11 |
| qgil | the sentence refers to http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/icecast-dev/2001-February/000005.html | 08:11 |
| qgil | "In response to the change of license, Richard Stallman of the Free Software Foundation says, "I agree. It is wise to make some of the Ogg Vorbis code available for use in proprietary software, so that commercial companies doing proprietary software will use it, and help Vorbis succeed in competition with other formats that would be restricted against our use." | 08:12 |
| Pinger | i want to start maemo5 in scratchbox, but i got this message "Starting Maemo Launcher: maemo-launcher start failed." | 08:12 |
| qgil | but, isn't LGPL supposed to cover that? | 08:12 |
| Pinger | anybody can help me? | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: i'd think so too | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: maybe there's some obscure problem when it is part of some one-binary system | 08:13 |
| qgil | what doesn't help me to clarify things is the fact that this seems to be not-discussed anywhere (I could find) | 08:13 |
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| qgil | and when you compare this lack of discussion to the many GPL/BSD threads... | 08:14 |
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| qgil | Stskeeps: I see, like some kind of mini-embedded er... "mp3 player"? | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 08:17 |
| luke-jr | qgil: LGPL is equivalent to GPL for C++; is Vorbis C++? | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | i think it may have to deal with ) Convey the Minimal Corresponding Source under the terms of this License, and the Corresponding Application Code in a form suitable for, and under terms that permit, the user to recombine or relink the Application with a modified version of the Linked Version to produce a modified Combined Work, in the manner specified by section 6 of the GNU GPL for conveying Corresponding Source. | 08:18 |
| qgil | luke-jr: ??? | 08:19 |
| luke-jr | qgil: at least where templates are used | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | that if it's a non-shared library linking (embedded system), you need to publish parts of your code to make the user able to relink i guess | 08:19 |
| luke-jr | if the header is more than a mere interface, LGPL is the same as GPL | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | and that might be a problem occasionally | 08:19 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: templates are always static | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: in other words, it is just a tactic where they lessen their freedoms in exchange for more open format.. which isn't exactly like GNU :P | 08:21 |
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| Myrtti | hello cutiepies :-) | 08:22 |
| RST38h | qgil: Well, maybe they bribed Stallman with some exotic tea mix =) | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: and you just wandered into a lgpl discussion :P | 08:22 |
| Macer | hm | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: that was my thought.. | 08:23 |
| Macer | nautilus takes like a minute to browse network shares | 08:23 |
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| Macer | wtf? :) | 08:23 |
| RST38h | qgil: Seriously though, it makes sense given how often manufacturer has to optimize/rewrite codecs to make them run well | 08:23 |
| qgil | RST38h: that too | 08:23 |
| RST38h | qgil: LGPL would not cut it | 08:23 |
| Macer | like it just kind of sits there every time i try to use my smb share through it | 08:23 |
| * Macer is thinking it's time to set up nfs on the fileserver | 08:23 | |
| luke-jr | Macer: GNOME is unusably slow; try KDE | 08:23 |
| RST38h | KDE is also unusuably slow | 08:23 |
| luke-jr | no, KDE is usable | 08:23 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: lgpl is just smooth as velvet | 08:24 |
| Macer | yah.. i thought kde was slower than gnome+compiz | 08:24 |
| luke-jr | at least until you get to 100% swap | 08:24 |
| RST38h | Try command line! | 08:24 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: apply enough lubricant and you can shove it everywhere | 08:24 |
| Myrtti | :-P | 08:24 |
| Macer | plus kwin doesn't have a desktop cube :) | 08:24 |
| Macer | the desktop cube is something that makes the people around you think you are doing important things haha | 08:24 |
| qgil | now that we left behind the GPL/BSD discussion, we can embrace the GNOME/KDE debate | 08:24 |
| luke-jr | Macer: it does | 08:25 |
| Macer | like when you build a new kernel and they see all the cc crap scrolling by | 08:25 |
| Macer | does what? | 08:25 |
| luke-jr | have the cube | 08:25 |
| Macer | does it? last i tried 4.1.whatever it didn't have one | 08:25 |
| luke-jr | it was new in 4.2 | 08:25 |
| Macer | oh.. they released 4.2 huh? | 08:25 |
| luke-jr | about 2 months ago | 08:25 |
| Myrtti | Macer: compiz has some usable features as well | 08:25 |
| Macer | well.. it's too late now.. :) i don't feel like switching over to kde now that i have this thing working rather well | 08:26 |
| Myrtti | it's not all smoke and mirrors | 08:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, what have you done? :P | 08:26 |
| Macer | other than nautilus taking a minute to read smb shares | 08:26 |
| luke-jr | I disable effects anyhow | 08:26 |
| RST38h | qgil: Isn't it too soon though? I mean, BSD/GPL thing went without a single flame | 08:26 |
| Macer | Myrtti: haha... usable features? :) such as what? | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: prolly has to search the broadcast network | 08:26 |
| luke-jr | too much latency | 08:26 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: that kind of sucks... i guess i will just set up nfs on it | 08:26 |
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| Myrtti | Macer: Scale | 08:27 |
| Macer | scale? | 08:27 |
| qgil | The question that really matters is: deb or rpm? | 08:27 |
| luke-jr | I'll care about 3D desktop when it's an augmented wearable ;) | 08:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 08:27 |
| Myrtti | Macer: http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Plugins/Scale | 08:27 |
| luke-jr | qgil: deb or ebuild; rpm was disqualified ages ago | 08:27 |
| Myrtti | Macer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LsrocISlyQ | 08:27 |
| qgil | ok, then... is mono evil or not? | 08:28 |
| RST38h | qgil: Intel says rpm. | 08:28 |
| * RST38h smiles evilly | 08:28 | |
| luke-jr | though I must confess, I do admin a single rpm-based box stuff | 08:28 |
| luke-jr | still* | 08:28 |
| Myrtti | and the cube itself initiates people into using multiple desktops and ctrl-alt < > | 08:28 |
| luke-jr | qgil: mono is useless at least | 08:28 |
| Myrtti | qgil: yes, it's the ultimate evil | 08:28 |
| luke-jr | Myrtti: hardly | 08:28 |
| Macer | Myrtti: ou just reminded me that i need to install flash in epiphany | 08:28 |
| luke-jr | the cube limits you to 6 desktops | 08:28 |
| Macer | :) if i can even do that | 08:28 |
| luke-jr | that's a far cry from the 16 I need | 08:28 |
| Macer | 16?! | 08:29 |
| Macer | wtf? :) | 08:29 |
| Myrtti | luke-jr: true, adobe and nvidia are the true devils | 08:29 |
| qgil | GPLv3 helps free software at the end or not? | 08:29 |
| Macer | going all johnny mnemonic or something? | 08:29 |
| Macer | with vr gloves on | 08:29 |
| Macer | hacking a fax machine buffer | 08:29 |
| qgil | xorg or framebuffer? | 08:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil's "How to Bring a Channel Down in Flames in 20 Questions or Less"? ;) | 08:29 |
| RST38h | qgil: The Tentacled One is our only final liberator | 08:29 |
| luke-jr | Macer: Work, Email, aRmagetron, Irc, Anime, Moo, plus 10 or so numbered | 08:29 |
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| RST38h | What is GPLv3 when compared to the Tentacled One? | 08:30 |
| Macer | you can't do that in 4 desktops? :) | 08:30 |
| luke-jr | Macer: no ☹ | 08:30 |
| qgil | ok guys, as you see I need a dose of real work | 08:30 |
| qgil | good morning/evening! | 08:30 |
| luke-jr | OS: GNU/Linux 2.6.27-gentoo-r7/x86_64 - CPU: 1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ (2202.764 MHz) - Processes: 238 - Uptime: 52d 9h 58m - Users: 60 - Load Average: 1.36 - Memory Usage: 4798MB/2011MB (238%) | 08:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bye! | 08:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: too late, we had a fight the other day and i shanked him | 08:30 |
| RST38h | qwerty: how many bonus points have you got? =) | 08:30 |
| qgil | ah, one before before leaving: Intel or ARM? | 08:30 |
| luke-jr | I use too much swap :< | 08:30 |
| luke-jr | qgil: whatever's cheaper | 08:31 |
| luke-jr | or | 08:31 |
| luke-jr | not AMD, ARM | 08:31 |
| RST38h | qgil: PDP11. | 08:31 |
| luke-jr | obviously ARM | 08:31 |
| luke-jr | x86 sucks | 08:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wow, creepy, my desktop and my tablet have nearly the same uptime. | 08:31 |
| luke-jr | though I like MIPS a bit | 08:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: not much for a big fucker :( | 08:31 |
| RST38h | qgil: had wonderful instruction set | 08:31 |
| luke-jr | mainly just because I actually know MIPS ASM | 08:31 |
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| luke-jr | or did a few months ago | 08:31 |
| luke-jr | not sure I remember it now | 08:31 |
| * qgil thinks I could copy&paste this for the Technology team to drive the strategy of Maemo SW in the following years :P | 08:32 | |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, Atom or Maemo is going to die. ;) | 08:32 |
| luke-jr | qgil: oh, you're Nokia | 08:32 |
| luke-jr | qgil: please hire someone to write a decent GPS integration | 08:32 |
| Pinger | maemo5 in armel target, the hildon UI doesn't come up, what do i do | 08:32 |
| luke-jr | qgil: possibly me, but I don't really have time for stuff these days | 08:33 |
| qgil | luke-jr: that's sad | 08:33 |
| luke-jr | XD | 08:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pinger, see the known issues in the release notes. ;) | 08:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_release_notes/ | 08:34 |
| Pinger | i got it, thanks | 08:34 |
| luke-jr | qgil: I'm thinking something that is constantly keeping track of access point locations (triangulating them with GPS), using them for positioning when GPS isn't synced yet, queuing IMs with ETA till next AP (when a route is known), etc | 08:35 |
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| Macer | hm | 08:38 |
| Pinger | GeneralAntilles: armel development environment only for cross-compilation, why not run applicaions | 08:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pinger, I guess because it's not ready yet. | 08:38 |
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| luke-jr | A lot of that "*Provided by Nokia closed binaries" sounds like it can be replaced with Decibel easily | 08:40 |
| Pinger | oh, i think maemo 5 will support UI applications in next release | 08:40 |
| Macer | hm. it has to be the cheap 5 port switch i have this damn thing hooked up to | 08:40 |
| Macer | i need to get rid of that thing :) | 08:40 |
| Macer | it seems to be going 100mbit speeds...i'm only getting 9MB/s | 08:41 |
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| adeel | is there any way to get the N810 to boot faster? would reflashing with a custom image help? | 08:54 |
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| Stskeeps | adeel: their 30 second boot isn't bad at all, really | 08:56 |
| qgil | X-Fade & jeremiah_ , morning :) http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/ seems to be the current best kept secret | 08:57 |
| timelE61i | adeel: you can try booting from mmc | 08:57 |
| qgil | what about writing an announcement welcoming packages? | 08:57 |
| adeel | Stskeeps, yeah i know, i just want to enable it so i can turn it on/off frequently without the delay | 08:57 |
| timelE61i | Qgil: you really like trying to spread secrets | 08:57 |
| qgil | and then linking to it at maemo-developers and ITt? | 08:57 |
| adeel | timelE61i, why would boot from MMC be faster than onboard flash? | 08:57 |
| timelE61i | Did i say it would be? | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | adeel: ah, i would really say just lock the screen | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | turning it off and then on when you want to use it is a waste of battery | 08:58 |
| timelE61i | Personally, i just use offlinemode+screen lock | 08:58 |
| adeel | Stskeeps, yeah i'll probably do that...but i was looking to make the battery last longer | 08:58 |
| adeel | timelE61i, what's offlinemode ? | 08:59 |
| qgil | unless someone beats me, I will announce that today before going back home | 08:59 |
| timelE61i | Turn down the screen brightness... | 08:59 |
| qgil | (please, beat me) :) | 08:59 |
| adeel | ah, i did that anyway | 08:59 |
| timelE61i | Qgil: um, keep it short? | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | adeel: well, this isn't a traditional x86 laptop, when the tablet isn't doing anything, it is effectively asleep when in offline mode + locked screen | 08:59 |
| adeel | timelE61i, what was the battery life like once you did that? is it roughly the 7 hours it reports? | 08:59 |
| timelE61i | I have a doc to write, no time to proof another announce | 08:59 |
| Corsac | the repository seems quite empty | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: not sure autobuilder is up yet though | 09:00 |
| * timelE61i shrugs | 09:00 | |
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| adeel | Stskeeps, yeah, but i was hoping for around that much battery life | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | adeel: battery life can be quite high if you tame it really :P | 09:01 |
| adeel | Stskeeps, interesting....have you tried building your own image via the SDK? | 09:01 |
| adeel | by any chance that is | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | adeel: to construct your own armel diablo image is non-trivial :) | 09:01 |
| Corsac | anyway freemantle won't run on n8x0, so… | 09:02 |
| adeel | Stskeeps, well i'm a fairly seasoned linux user | 09:02 |
| adeel | if the instructions are half decent, i should be able to do it without a major headache | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | adeel: yeah, and i've been breathing unix since i was 7, but it is still non-trivial to me :) | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | adeel: closest thing you get is stuff like Mer, and Fremantle on Beagleboard | 09:03 |
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| qgil | timelE61i: "The Fremantle extras-devel repository is open for direct package uploads. Developers trying out the Maemo 5 Alpha SDK are encouraged to upload their packages there to start creating an inventory of Fremantle applications and common libraries. This repository of unstable and untested software will encourage feedback from users of the SDK and compatible OMAP3 hardware." | 09:03 |
| Pavlov | lol | 09:03 |
| Pavlov | whats the point of uploading stuff you can't really test? | 09:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | " encourage feedback from users of the SDK and compatible OMAP3 hardware." | 09:04 |
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| Stskeeps | Pavlov: maemo on beagleboard exists and SDK is fairly good | 09:04 |
| Pavlov | ah | 09:04 |
| qgil | Stskeeps: about autobuilder, I think the priority now is that developers create packages and put them in the same place, as we are starting to see screenshots and videos here and there, some of them talking about activating Diablo repos to get packages... | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: yeah, true | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | Pavlov: also Mer can take the central fremantle libraries too | 09:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I hope people don't upload free stuff as non-free. | 09:05 |
| Corsac | and one could try on the touch book | 09:05 |
| Corsac | ;p | 09:05 |
| adeel | Stskeeps, yeah, i've done some stuff with beagleboards and whatnot...done a decent amount of embedded x86 & arm dev before...just need a semi-complete sdk and it should be fairly trivial | 09:05 |
| Corsac | qwerty12_N800: isn't there some kind of NEW queue? | 09:05 |
| qgil | Stskeeps: maybe we can just decide on the repo plan, and create extras-experimental for those direct uploads, letting extras-devel for the autobuilder access, as usual | 09:05 |
| qgil | actually I'm going to compile this piece of chat in an answer to the "Fremantle extras" thread | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | adeel: just keep in mind you don't have the source packages or even binary packages for a lot of stuff that's on the actual jffs2 .. i've been buried in this stuff for quite a while | 09:06 |
| hahlo | where is meizi_irkki? | 09:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Corsac: with diablo & chinook, you have free which goes through the autobuilder and non-free which is for direct deb uploads. As you can see, non-free isn't really for gnu/bsd etc licenced stuff :) | 09:06 |
| qgil | Pavlov: well, people like me can test | 09:06 |
| Pavlov | qgil: ;) | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | hahlo: he was here yesterday | 09:07 |
| hahlo | ok good | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | adeel: if you truely want to work on performance, boot time, etc, come and help out with Mer instead. goal is both fremantle components for n8x0 and Diablo on steroids. | 09:08 |
| adeel | Stskeeps, so long as it exists (in binary form at the least) i can do it | 09:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, the repo isn't much use without an autobuilder. ;) | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | adeel: it has more purpose, - you cannot easily distribute the fruits of your work otherwise | 09:08 |
| adeel | Stskeeps, i'd love to help out, and probably will where i can, but i'm pretty strapped for time between the current 2 projects i'm working on | 09:08 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: why not | 09:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qgil, because there's no way to get things in there. ;) | 09:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm sure X-Fade and jeremiah_ will make an announcement when things are actually usable. | 09:09 |
| qgil | if you allow direct upload then you can | 09:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | adeel: start with reading the modifying_the_root_image page on wiki | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | adeel: i have masters thesis work, parttime work, mer and fiancee to juggle, heh :) | 09:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, then we'll have a bunch of source-less free packages in there. | 09:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | and we'll have to do a purge at some point. | 09:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | qgil: I hope with source then for free stuff then. Don't repeat the chinook mistake please. | 09:09 |
| qgil | ok, I'll shut up then :) | 09:10 |
| adeel | Stskeeps, heh, i have 2, $900,000 projects i'm spearheading at the moment | 09:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, alternatively, push some internals to help out with the autobuilder. ;) | 09:10 |
| adeel | qwerty12_N800, thanks, i'll take a gander at it soon | 09:10 |
| qgil | the mistake I want to avoid is to start seeing debs and repos and instructions to activate old repos... | 09:10 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: we are paying a full time role with an NDA | 09:11 |
| adeel | the only real flaw, imho, about the N810 is that it's debian based | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: saw http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-marquee2.png ? | 09:11 |
| qgil | he could even come to Helsinki if we wants | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | adeel: we do have gentoo ports too.. | 09:11 |
| adeel | Stskeeps, really? where? | 09:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, sure, but it takes a little while to familiarize with the system. | 09:11 |
| adeel | (i'm a gentoo fanboy) | 09:11 |
| qgil | sure, I'm not complaining | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | adeel: slontapamus (sp) and fauxmight is working on it .. check http://internettablettalk.com/forums and search gentoo | 09:12 |
| Corsac | adeel: what about global warming! | 09:12 |
| qgil | I just thought it was a good idea to allow a centralized repo for direct uploads now | 09:12 |
| adeel | Corsac, that's my kid-to-be's problem =cp | 09:12 |
| qgil | so developers don't start feeling tempted of doing otherwsie | 09:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, yeah, we need it, but I don't want to see the mess with missing sources happen again. | 09:12 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: fair enough | 09:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't think external repos popping up are going to be a big issue in the short term. | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | adeel: but in honesty, it's better we focus efforts on getting the n8x0 in sync functionally with fremantle and such, than tinkering with other OS'es (crux linux, gentoo, debian, ubuntu) .. :P | 09:13 |
| adeel | Stskeeps, i came across a couple of (old) doc's on scratchbox on gentoo via google...and even found the ebuild in the sunrise overlay | 09:13 |
| timelE61i | pavlov: works in x86 | 09:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | (one to two weeks) | 09:13 |
| adeel | Stskeeps, hehe i agree | 09:13 |
| adeel | Stskeeps, but i like doing everything with gentoo, even if it means i have to spin my wheels for a while | 09:13 |
| timelE61i | Qgil "for" in the first sentence is wrong | 09:13 |
| timelE61i | agreement issue | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2006/10/tvonhead.jpg <- dear god | 09:14 |
| timelE61i | Second sentence is too long :) | 09:14 |
| adeel | haha | 09:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh god! The robots are invading. D: | 09:14 |
| timelE61i | Pavlov: people can test on beagleboard | 09:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | or a Pandora! | 09:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | wait. . . . | 09:15 |
| RST38h | Sts: There is a propeller at the top keeping the whole thing afloat | 09:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could probably test on an Archos 5, too, if you were really determined. | 09:15 |
| adeel | Stskeeps, do you have any links that you can point me to in regards to Mer/freemantle? | 09:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plus the Overo, and the Zoom | 09:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | adeel, "Fremantle". ;) | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | adeel: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer , http://maemo.org/news/announcements/maemo_5_alpha_sdk_released/ | 09:15 |
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| adeel | Stskeeps, ah ok, i read that earlier today...think it's time for me to dust off the old beagleboard | 09:16 |
| timelE61i | qGil: but if the autobuilder isn't in the right state, then hold off on the announcement | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, i have one sitting next to me | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | Mer runs on there too :) | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | (Fremantle does too, obviously) | 09:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: Anyone who buys an Archos hoping to be able to run programs on it recieves an "Ha-ha!" from me | 09:17 |
| qgil | timelE61i: now things are clear and I won't announce anything :) | 09:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade and Ed are the ones who'll need to kick the autobuilder into shape (it may be down to Ed, actually) | 09:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Need to poke around to figure out what the status is. | 09:17 |
| * GeneralAntilles ponders another swing at kicking his Beagle into shape. | 09:18 | |
| timelE61i | ok. Until next week :) | 09:18 |
| Pavlov | are there install instructions for putting fremantle on a beagle board? | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | Pavlov: maemo-beagle.garage.maemo.org | 09:19 |
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| Stskeeps | it'll get updated for alpha sdk soon enough though | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | (afaik) | 09:19 |
| adeel | Stskeeps, i'd be more enthused about Mer if it was gentoo based rather than debian =cp | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | adeel: worse, it's ubuntu based :P | 09:20 |
| adeel | Stskeeps, haha, same difference to me | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | adeel: also, gentoo compilation times break most initial developers.. | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:20 |
| * GeneralAntilles kicks the cat off the desk for the Beagle. | 09:20 | |
| adeel | Stskeeps, eh, you don't need to give out the stage1's to everyone....you can have your full base system compiled into a stage3 and give that out | 09:20 |
| adeel | Stskeeps, also, i don't want dev's on my project who don't know how to compile | 09:21 |
| adeel | or are afraid of it | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 09:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | adeel: people like to install more apps than what is given usually | 09:21 |
| adeel | qwerty12_N800, yeah, but it's a base/starting point | 09:21 |
| adeel | qwerty12_N800, apt, imho, is a package manager that is very lacking | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | adeel: yeah, i can dislike apt at times too but it works atm :P | 09:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I like packaging but do find apt annoying, agreed. But at least it doesn't make you compile your stuff :) | 09:22 |
| adeel | qwerty12_N800, i can get gentoo to go binary as well | 09:23 |
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| adeel | all you need is to set a BINHOST environment variable and pass the -K option to emerge, and it's apt++ | 09:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah, cool. I was under the (false, now it seems) impression it was source only | 09:24 |
| adeel | but the real kicker for me is the rational logic applied in the gentoo base system that i've yet to find duplicated in other distro's...but maybe that's just me | 09:24 |
| vasily_pupkin | anubody knows, default maemo build builede with -Os flags or no? | 09:24 |
| adeel | see, those (^^) questions would disappear | 09:24 |
| adeel | with a gentoo based system | 09:24 |
| adeel | vasily_pupkin, i'd assume they were | 09:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | -O2 is preferred over -Os afaik | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | vasily_pupkin: -Os also has the consequence of taking more memory | 09:25 |
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| Stskeeps | they have jffs2 so Os doesn't matter -that- much | 09:25 |
| vasily_pupkin | :] | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | also, -mthumb | 09:25 |
| Macer | wow | 09:25 |
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| adeel | qwerty12_N800, -Os, iirc, automatically invokes -O2 and some other stuff | 09:25 |
| vasily_pupkin | about 60M of memory used by start.. | 09:25 |
| Macer | i think compiz is going to make this fucking gpu melt in this thing | 09:25 |
| Macer | just like the other one blew up on me :) | 09:25 |
| vasily_pupkin | im shoked | 09:26 |
| Macer | because of vista | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | vasily_pupkin: only? | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | vasily_pupkin: keep in mind it preloads gtk and shared the libraries in shared memory etc | 09:26 |
| vasily_pupkin | i discover, that 2-3 gui applications - maximum value :) | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | vasily_pupkin: did you enable swap? | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | / virtual memory | 09:27 |
| vasily_pupkin | no yet | 09:27 |
| Macer | awesome. i think i'm done with this box :) i can set it up somewhere now | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | it's worth it. | 09:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | adeel: dunno, not up to date with my cflags :), but i think i read in the manpage that -Os just optimises for size, not speed so I dunno if -o2 is activated | 09:27 |
| Macer | with its encrypted hard drive that requires typing in a whole sentence to boot haha | 09:27 |
| adeel | qwerty12_N800, from the GCC 4.3 manual, Optimize for size. -Os enables all -O2 optimizations that do not typically increase code size. It also performs further optimizations designed to reduce code size. | 09:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ahha | 09:28 |
| adeel | http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.3.3/gcc/Optimize-Options.html#Optimize-Options | 09:28 |
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| vasily_pupkin | with -Os my old gentoo-based T21 works much better than with -O2 | 09:28 |
| adeel | it does disable some stuff though....e.g. -falign-functions | 09:28 |
| adeel | vasily_pupkin, i know for gentoo that -Os is preferred over -O2/O3 | 09:28 |
| neatojones | Is iTT down? | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | neatojones: WORKSFORME | 09:28 |
| neatojones | hmm. | 09:29 |
| neatojones | weird. I can't connect to it. | 09:29 |
| vasily_pupkin | can i build with gentoo same system, as maemo? with hildon/etc? | 09:29 |
| Macer | what term does gnome use? | 09:29 |
| Macer | it just says "Terminal" heh | 09:30 |
| vasily_pupkin | (not writing ebuild hy myself) | 09:30 |
| adeel | vasily_pupkin, i don't think there are the ebuilds for all those things | 09:30 |
| vasily_pupkin | eh | 09:30 |
| adeel | vasily_pupkin, writing them shouldn't be too hard | 09:30 |
| vasily_pupkin | I know, but time.. | 09:30 |
| adeel | all depends on how broken their ./configure stuff is | 09:30 |
| adeel | or if they use autotools at all | 09:30 |
| adeel | Stskeeps, how does Mer compare with the stock OS2008? | 09:31 |
| Macer | well.. looks like i'm debian for life now if it's linux :) | 09:32 |
| Macer | heh | 09:32 |
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| Stskeeps | ax | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | adeel: grab a vmdk and check it out.. but we still have a way to go | 09:35 |
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| adeel | Macer, you'll probably change you mind once you actually start using debian =cp | 09:35 |
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| adeel | Stskeeps, interesting, i'll check that out | 09:35 |
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| Stskeeps | (yes, it's portable) | 09:36 |
| adeel | i think it'd be pretty cool if someone was to port the x264 code to the omap processor via the dsp | 09:36 |
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| adeel | Stskeeps, does maemo use scratchbox1 or 2? | 09:44 |
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| Stskeeps | adeel: both really | 09:45 |
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| Stskeeps | there's maemo sdk and maemo sdk+ | 09:45 |
| adeel | i just found the sdk+ | 09:45 |
| adeel | is one better than the other? | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | i still think sb2 has some quirks :/ | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | but sb1 is also a bit awkward | 09:46 |
| adeel | any show stoppers for sb2? | 09:46 |
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| Stskeeps | not sure.. there was some issue that upset me | 09:46 |
| adeel | hmmm...well, it seems that this might be a bigger project than i can chew at the moment | 09:47 |
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| Stskeeps | wb | 09:51 |
| qwerty12 | thanks, stupid computer keeps locking up on me :/ | 09:51 |
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| Stskeeps | mornin herzi, _|Nix|_ | 10:00 |
| herzi | hej Stskeeps | 10:00 |
| _|Nix|_ | Pong! | 10:01 |
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| Macer | wtf.. 8.4MB/s from a gbit? | 10:12 |
| Macer | what the HELL is going on here? :) | 10:12 |
| Macer | i need to get rid of this switch ... i think it's about that time | 10:12 |
| Macer | let me see if the 24port does a little better | 10:13 |
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| L0cutus | 'giorno | 10:26 |
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| andre__ | hmm, why does https://www.maemo.org/ redirect to maemo.org bugzilla? | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | it's a bug? :> | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | (happens for me too) | 10:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Weird | 10:32 |
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| RST38h | http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aErNiP_V4RLc&refer=home | 10:35 |
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| croppa | Is it possiable to have Maemo Mapper default to auto centre Lat/Lon? | 11:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | croppa, check the prefs? | 11:33 |
| RST38h | it is saved | 11:33 |
| RST38h | the problem is that as soon as you touch the screen, the auto center mode is off | 11:33 |
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| croppa | Yes that is the problem it turns off :-( | 11:37 |
| croppa | I thought there may be a config file that I could change | 11:37 |
| johnx | can't you turn it back on by a button press? | 11:37 |
| croppa | Yes but I would like it on all of the time | 11:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, dpad-center. | 11:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or you can pick whichever button suits you in prefs. | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | morning johnc | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | x | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-marquee2.png | 11:38 |
| johnx | hot sauce! | 11:39 |
| johnx | is wazd through the roof? :) | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | i haven't spoken to him yet :( | 11:39 |
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| johnx | he needs to steal the laptop back from his sister :> | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | also i just built marquee-plugins | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | ok, building for armel still | 11:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/03/new-maemo-ui-framework-arrives-in-fremantle-sdk-alpha.ars | 11:44 |
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| Myrtti | ♥ segphault | 11:45 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: but heads up: h-d is broken atm :P | 11:54 |
| johnx | ok, got the message on jaiku/rss ;) | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:58 |
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| *** GeneralAntilles changes topic to "Sprint review in #maemo-meeting @ 1400 UTC today! | Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog" | 12:05 | |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | morning jaffa | 12:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, Jaffa. | 12:06 |
| * Myrtti tickles Jaffa | 12:07 | |
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| concorr | hi | 12:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn, you, andre__! | 12:13 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, dss dss dss! | 12:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, midair collision on the wiki. :P | 12:14 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, don't touch it! | 12:15 |
| andre__ | how could you dare?! | 12:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Moved it to February where it belongs. | 12:16 |
| * GeneralAntilles launches missiles at andre__. | 12:16 | |
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| andre__ | what?! | 12:17 |
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| andre__ | february?! a blast from the past... | 12:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_ jumped the gun on the new Sprint page. :P | 12:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qgil, ping? | 12:18 |
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| timeless | GeneralAntilles: fwiw, i have a 155 too | 12:24 |
| timeless | so if you want to proof 149.. :) | 12:24 |
| * timeless works on 148 | 12:24 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless, seems a little short without context. | 12:27 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, (again) Jaffa. | 12:30 |
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| Jaffa | Did I do that? | 12:31 |
| * Jaffa 's brain is fubar | 12:31 | |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, maybe this is a clearer sushi-belt image (CC)? http://flickr.com/photos/gushparty/2960105286/ | 12:32 |
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| timeless | ooh, i like | 12:32 |
| timeless | as an email, please, i'm still working on 148 :( | 12:32 |
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| johnx | kaiten-zushi FTW! | 12:36 |
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| timeless | gan: ok, i've fixed most of the things from 148 | 12:40 |
| timeless | except 'largely gibberish' | 12:41 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, have you been to someplace like that? | 12:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, sadly, no. | 12:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | I dunno if there are any around me. | 12:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | The only sushi places I've been to serve you like a regular restaurant. | 12:42 |
| johnx | drive over to daytona beach :) | 12:42 |
| johnx | alternatively airline tickets aren't too expensive right now :> | 12:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless, I still don't know what you're too far from the canyon walls for. | 12:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | To climb up or to call for help? | 12:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | (for somebody to hear you) | 12:43 |
| timeless | to climb up | 12:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, OK, then say so. ;) | 12:44 |
| timeless | someone hears you when they see the dialog and cut the rope by clicking something | 12:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "Unfortunately, you're too far below the bridge and away from the canyon walls to climb up," | 12:44 |
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| timeless | reload, should be fixed | 12:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "C++ introduced a feature where you could have a base object which defined code for certain actions and specified certain actions also had to have code" | 12:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | That doesn't make sense to me. | 12:46 |
| timeless | http://www.lenholgate.com/archives/000623.html | 12:46 |
| timeless | is his generic explanation better? | 12:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Specifically, it's this part that sounds like gibberish: "specified certain actions also had to have code" | 12:47 |
| timeless | i'm considering linking to it | 12:47 |
| timeless | promised that certain actions would be actionable | 12:48 |
| * timeless frowns | 12:48 | |
| timeless | it's hard to write a useful decription | 12:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | "specified that certain actions" ? | 12:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also, yes, you should probably link to that description. | 12:49 |
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| danielwilms | hey, I would like to make a proposal for the GSoC, but as I'm quite new here I don't know if the idea already came up once. What about a client for a social app, which implents features based on the OpenSocial API?? Any comments on that?? | 12:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, danielwilms. :) | 12:57 |
| danielwilms | hi :) | 12:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think this is the complete list: https://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/Project_ideas | 12:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | If it's not on there, feel free to add it. | 12:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, the subpages are a nice thing to have on. Thanks for talking us into it. ;) | 13:20 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: :-) hehe, np | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.openpeak.com/OpenTablet.php <- curious | 13:22 |
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| lcuk | wow Stskeeps i could see liqbase running nicely on there | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: but it also seems like a properitary system from hell | 13:23 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: it actually took me a while to understand why the breadcrumbs didn't show up | 13:23 |
| lcuk | hack the planet! | 13:23 |
| Myrtti | for some odd reason I just assumed it would be magically on | 13:24 |
| * lcuk wants to see mer logo (being held up by tux) on his disposable lighter asap | 13:24 | |
| * lcuk was saving up Myrtti's breadcrumbs to use with a bacon sandwich | 13:24 | |
| * johnx is sold on that tabletbook thing if they can actually ship it | 13:26 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish it had just a little more built-in. | 13:26 |
| lcuk | oh hi johnx | 13:26 |
| johnx | hey lcuk | 13:27 |
| johnx | heh...not gonna preorder the touchbook though. had enough of that :) | 13:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: OMAP3540 would be awesome. | 13:29 |
| lcuk | which is the touchbook | 13:29 |
| johnx | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9011409662.html | 13:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better yet: OMAP3740 | 13:29 |
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| * lcuk doesn't look forward to new hardware. better to make use of whats in your hand now and be surprised by the improvements in future | 13:29 | |
| johnx | lcuk, netbook with detachable keyboard | 13:29 |
| lcuk | ahhh the one with the big spikes | 13:29 |
| johnx | yup :D | 13:29 |
| lcuk | "well bond, we took a regular keyboard and *swueshhhhhhh* we made it into a deadly weapon for killing 2 thugs with" | 13:30 |
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| johnx | I like the 10-15 hours worth of battery in the keyboard: "What can we do to make the keyboard heavy enough that this thing won't just tip over?" "Let's shove it full of batteries!" | 13:30 |
| lcuk | whats battery like with just the display | 13:31 |
| johnx | 3-4 hours | 13:31 |
| johnx | code for: 2-3 hours :> | 13:31 |
| lcuk | or 1-2 with flash enabled | 13:31 |
| lcuk | and no adblock :P | 13:31 |
| lcuk | bbl | 13:32 |
| johnx | my system: flash ads are blocked. animated ads and ads that try and look like dialog boxes get the whole domain blacklisted | 13:32 |
| johnx | later lcuk | 13:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I wonder how big the battery in the tablet part is. | 13:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I wonder how good the power saving is on whatever it is their running. | 13:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who wants to bet Maemo would get better battery life out of that thing? | 13:34 |
| johnx | :> | 13:34 |
| johnx | the only thing I worry about is power saving on the wifi chipset | 13:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's USB, right? | 13:34 |
| johnx | other than that it will have all the advantages of Nokia's powersaving tricks | 13:34 |
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| johnx | yeah, looks USB | 13:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | How many of those have made it into linux-omap proper? | 13:36 |
| johnx | for the omap3 I thought most have | 13:36 |
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| johnx | there are tricks in userland too of course, but angstrom is fairly concerned about that stuff as well | 13:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder how good the powersaving on USB WiFi sticks is. | 13:38 |
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| johnx | probably between bad and awful :> | 13:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alternatively, you could get somebody to build an SPI module for you. | 13:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's is basically a Beagle Board after all. | 13:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | The pins are easy to get to. | 13:39 |
| johnx | There's probably at least one USB wifi chipset with decent powersavings support ... | 13:40 |
| * johnx googles | 13:40 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I really want to know how big the battery is. | 13:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'd be interesting to see what sort of impact a big backlight like that has. | 13:41 |
| johnx | lots, but there's not much you can do about that :/ | 13:42 |
| johnx | the OLPC screen would be awesome for that... | 13:42 |
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| johnx | I want a dual-mode eInk / LCD screen... | 13:45 |
| johnx | not exactly sure how it would work of course | 13:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | MAGIC! | 13:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | LED backlighting would help a bit. | 13:45 |
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| johnx | is that screen not LED backlit?! | 13:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems unlikely, but good point. | 13:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I dunno. | 13:46 |
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| johnx | my hopes about wifi PSM in linux with a usb wifi adapter are diminishing rapidly :/ | 14:03 |
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| johnx | hey lardman :) | 14:08 |
| timelE61i | why? | 14:09 |
| lardman | hey johnx | 14:09 |
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| johnx | timelE61i, because all of the drivers I've looked at so far don't support it. Do you know of one that does? | 14:10 |
| lardman | hello all | 14:10 |
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| lardman | hmm, omweather reckons it will snow here today | 14:11 |
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| johnx | it's pretty pessimistic about that kind of thing | 14:11 |
| lardman | yeah, I'd prefer to link into something like xcweather | 14:12 |
| lardman | but other things to do as ever :) | 14:12 |
| lardman | johnx: so what's the current status with the Pandora | 14:12 |
| lardman | ? | 14:12 |
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| johnx | lardman, cases are ready for production after final testing, mk4 board is ready to go | 14:13 |
| lardman | another board rev? | 14:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | They want all of lardman's money. | 14:13 |
| johnx | seems they just need to push it through CE/FCC testing | 14:13 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: I'm out | 14:13 |
| johnx | really though, what could possibly go wrong? :D | 14:13 |
| woglinde | mk4? | 14:13 |
| lardman | ;) | 14:13 |
| johnx | I'm taking the worried yet hopeful path :) | 14:14 |
| lardman | the lack of cc killed it for me, otherwise I'd probably be in the same boat | 14:14 |
| lardman | though they really are pushing back into n900 release terrotory, and I know which I'd prefer (not being a gamer) | 14:15 |
| lardman | s/terrotory/territory | 14:15 |
| RST38h | terrortory | 14:15 |
| lardman | yeah, if I'd written that I'd have left it alone :D | 14:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Finger usage seems like it would be impossible on the Pandora. | 14:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't much love that form factor. | 14:16 |
| lardman | well depends on your ui | 14:16 |
| lardman | I quite like clamshells, shame they didn't go for a larger screen though | 14:16 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, I'd assume it'll be similar to the zaurus...so "not perfect for fingers, but not too bad" | 14:16 |
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| lardman | I need some web scraping help | 14:20 |
| lardman | must send an email to the list this evening | 14:20 |
| lcuk | have you found out the RX-71 includes a scratch n sniff module? | 14:21 |
| lardman | :p | 14:21 |
| lcuk | lardman, wget, parse profit | 14:22 |
| lcuk | lardman, wget, parse, ???, profit even | 14:22 |
| RST38h | lcuk: RX-71 runs on mushrooms | 14:22 |
| RST38h | It is the ultimate green gadget | 14:22 |
| woglinde | lol | 14:22 |
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| lcuk | http://www.rmvac.org/2006VACRallyReport/scrapbook-photos/Some%20mighty%20big%20mushrooms.jpg | 14:23 |
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| lardman | lcuk: yeah I could do it, but don't have a lot of time, more hands make light work, etc | 14:23 |
| lcuk | not exactly hand held form factor | 14:23 |
| timelE61i | sorry, i don't believe in software that requires root :) | 14:23 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Photoshop. | 14:23 |
| johnx | lcuk, counterpoint: http://www.techdigest.tv/mushroom-machine.jpg | 14:23 |
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| woglinde | lcuk fotoshop rulez | 14:24 |
| RST38h | johnx: UFOs stealing mushrooms, yeeaaaaaaa | 14:24 |
| lcuk | http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/1/17/633677991484304734-chancesareeitherillbehighforayearordeadforeternity.jpg | 14:24 |
| * lardman dislikes mushrooms | 14:24 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Boo, lardman! | 14:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | You lost my vote. :P | 14:24 |
| woglinde | lardman even on pizza? | 14:24 |
| lardman | I've not put myself forward :p | 14:25 |
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| lardman | woglinde: nah, I just don't like them at all | 14:25 |
| * johnx puts lardman forward, then doesn't vote for him for not liking mushrooms | 14:25 | |
| lardman | ok in small quantities I suppose, but I don't like the taste | 14:25 |
| lardman | lol | 14:25 |
| lcuk | mushrooms make a nice counterpoint to bacon on a sunday fryup | 14:26 |
| lcuk | makes you feel wholesome and good by leaving something on your plate | 14:26 |
| lcuk | "look, i am on a diet, i didnt eat all my fryup!" | 14:26 |
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| lardman | eggs are a nice counterpoint, and fried bread :) | 14:27 |
| aquatix | and fried candybars? | 14:27 |
| lardman | I tend to leave the shrivelled tomato :) | 14:27 |
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| lardman | aquatix: deep-fried? They only do that in the North, ask lcuk :D | 14:27 |
| aquatix | yep, weirdos ;) | 14:27 |
| lcuk | aquatix, dont talk silly, you dont have fried candy for breakfast, thats lunch (and normally its battered and deep fried) | 14:28 |
| lardman | lol | 14:28 |
| aquatix | ick anyway | 14:28 |
| lcuk | see | 14:28 |
| lardman | aquatix: you need the energy to wield a pick axe, in the coal mines | 14:28 |
| lcuk | they do deep fried bananas | 14:28 |
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| lardman | lcuk: does the good and bad there cancel out? | 14:29 |
| * lcuk has never eaten one | 14:29 | |
| lcuk | i dunno lol, its scary the sort of stuff chip shop owners are willing to throw in the friers | 14:29 |
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| lardman | lol, I watched 5th Gear the other day and a Top Gun instructor said to eat bananas before flying, as they taste the same coming up as going down :D | 14:30 |
| aquatix | hehehehe | 14:30 |
| lardman | lcuk: cockroaches? | 14:30 |
| lardman | ;) | 14:30 |
| lcuk | lol prolly | 14:30 |
| lardman | or rats of course, yuck | 14:30 |
| lardman | yuck for cockroaches too, lest anyone get the wrong idea | 14:31 |
| lcuk | let me clear one thing up, the rats aren't fried on purpose. they just sorts fall in amongst the chips | 14:31 |
| lardman | :D | 14:31 |
| * lcuk feels sick just typing that | 14:31 | |
| aquatix | cockroaches are full of proteins | 14:31 |
| lardman | and crunchy too, I imagine | 14:31 |
| johnx | lcuk, yeah, normally they cost extra | 14:31 |
| woglinde | he chickenfeet | 14:32 |
| lcuk | aquatix, lots of things are, but that doesnt mean we eat em | 14:32 |
| aquatix | maybe we should ;) | 14:32 |
| lcuk | we might have to | 14:32 |
| lcuk | anyway, bbs, all this talk of food has made me hungry | 14:32 |
| * lardman wonders what he ate in India.... | 14:32 | |
| johnx | ahaha | 14:32 |
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| lcuk | lardman, good job you didnt go to japan, some of the food might be able to tell you | 14:33 |
| lcuk | (i think its japan anyway, apologies if not) | 14:33 |
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| lardman | Korea more like | 14:33 |
| lardman | all tastes good with Korean Gin | 14:34 |
| johnx | they do some quite 'raw' sashimi in certain places, but it's by no means common | 14:34 |
| lardman | sounds ok to me | 14:34 |
| johnx | all yours then, freaks me out a little too much | 14:35 |
| johnx | I am a big fan of cooking food at the table though | 14:35 |
| johnx | would be a lawsuit waiting to happen in the US though :/ | 14:35 |
| lardman | though those tables are bad news, I've got long legs! | 14:35 |
| johnx | me too, it's not too bad | 14:35 |
| lardman | I'd not done much seiza practice back then | 14:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | I went to a Japanese place where they did the whole cook at the table deal | 14:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Our chef was a white guy who thought he was Japanese. | 14:36 |
| johnx | lardman, ah, only been to one place that was seiza style | 14:37 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, ah, but here they let *you* cook at your own table :) | 14:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnx, why the hell are you at a restaurant then? :P | 14:37 |
| lardman | johnx: I've only really been to Japanese places in Korea, and they all sat you seiza - painful after a couple of hours! | 14:37 |
| johnx | lardman, painful after 15 minutes! I sat crosslegged. If I'm at a restaurant I'll sit how I feel like, kthx :) | 14:38 |
| lardman | if you sit long enough you can't feel it anymore, until you get cramp that is :D | 14:38 |
| johnx | or try to stand up with your foot the wrong way and break your ankle (never happened to me) | 14:39 |
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| lardman | surely an ushiro ukemi to standing position, and hope you don't trip over the table behind you :) | 14:40 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, eh, it's kinda fun for cooking strips of raw meat or doing nabe (kinda a shared soup pot thing) | 14:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh, my inbox is back over 2000. | 14:42 |
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| johnx | lardman, ahaha, understood the first word but had to google :) | 14:43 |
| johnx | yeah, that's how to *really* impress people here :> | 14:43 |
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| lardman | lol | 14:44 |
| lardman | ukemi's probably wrong as you're already sat down, but my Japanese is somewhat limited to certain terminology | 14:44 |
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| johnx | eh, mine's limited by not being good at it :P | 14:45 |
| ShadowJK | johnx, you've done something wrong | 14:45 |
| lardman | I need to remember certain phrases so I know where I'm going to be hit - good motivation factor :) | 14:45 |
| ShadowJK | the trick is to not learn enough to realize how bad you are at it | 14:45 |
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| johnx | ShadowJK, Japanese is special in that you *always* know you're no good at it. Even native speakers are challenged by the tens of thousands of Kanji... | 14:46 |
| johnx | lardman, I learned based on being able to order food: A *very* good motivator | 14:46 |
| johnx | speak or starve :) | 14:46 |
| lardman | true | 14:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Another day waiting for UPS. | 14:47 |
| lardman | what are you waiting for? | 14:48 |
| johnx | UPS | 14:48 |
| ShadowJK | Oh yeah. It was on the news how the parliament held a reading comprehension test for the prime minister | 14:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | My repaired Xbox. | 14:48 |
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| lardman | ah, did you say that above, I seem to remember XBox | 14:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, days ago. | 14:49 |
| lardman | memory of a goldfish | 14:49 |
| lardman | s/goldfish/elephant | 14:49 |
| lardman | in that case ;) | 14:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 14:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, lardman, I'm sending out your nomination email tomorrow. | 14:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have 24 hours to do it yourself or kill me. :P | 14:49 |
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| lardman | well if you can think of something nice to say about me please be my guest ; | 14:50 |
| lardman | s/;/;) | 14:50 |
| lcuk | "lardman, the only redshirt to ever return from an away mission" | 14:50 |
| lardman | :D | 14:51 |
| lardman | yeah, they do that to confuse you though, then they die later in the program | 14:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, either that or he's an impostor. | 14:51 |
| lardman | makes it cheaper, fewer extras needed | 14:51 |
| lcuk | speaking of which, did anyone get voice recording working with gstreamer - i know its possible but ive not encountered the code | 14:51 |
| lardman | isn't that how the recorder app works? | 14:52 |
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| * GeneralAntilles wishes Dell would ship his Mini 9. | 14:52 | |
| lcuk | holding up the nokia "captians log, stardate 5th march, ....." | 14:52 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, augh. a mini9? | 14:52 |
| * lardman pops out to buy some Ethernet cable, bbiam | 14:52 | |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, it was cheap. | 14:52 |
| lcuk | strange lunch you have in the south | 14:52 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, I guess the only important questions is, have you typed on one yet? | 14:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, no, but fullsize laptop keyboards piss me off. | 14:53 |
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| lcuk | i guess he will find out soon | 14:53 |
| johnx | lcuk++ | 14:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some I'm OK with whatever. | 14:54 |
| lcuk | mind you, all these tiny keyboards are just a throwback to my zx spectrum | 14:54 |
| johnx | I wish I had been around to steer you towards an hp... | 14:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can just set up Synergy at my desk. | 14:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, yeah, but for as cheap as I got the Mini 9? | 14:54 |
| johnx | hard to put a price on being able to type without hurting yourself... | 14:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, no, it's really easy. | 14:55 |
| lcuk | you haven't *got* your mini 9 yet | 14:55 |
| johnx | the base HP is like $380 | 14:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | My cash is limited. :P | 14:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I paid $260 for 8GB/1GB (shipping, tax) | 14:55 |
| lcuk | that much just for shipping? | 14:55 |
| lcuk | how much was the computer | 14:55 |
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| woglinde | hm | 14:56 |
| johnx | I suppose if you really don't intend to be typing on it...though I can't picture many uses for a computer that don't involve typing... | 14:56 |
| woglinde | http://www.rmvac.org/2006VACRallyReport/scrapbook-photos/Some%20mighty%20big%20mushrooms.jpg | 14:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shipping and tax were about $25 | 14:56 |
| woglinde | args | 14:56 |
| woglinde | http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200902/021609AdobeNokia.html | 14:56 |
| woglinde | this means we get the flash plugin for other archs too? | 14:57 |
| lcuk | johnx, n800 | 14:57 |
| ShadowJK | woglinde, I read the headline and my first though was "argh, can't they kill flash lite already" | 14:57 |
| johnx | lcuk, I'm constantly mashing on that OSK...\ | 14:57 |
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| ShadowJK | I read on and indeed flash lite is mentioned :) | 14:58 |
| ShadowJK | I think flash lite is available for quite a few more platforms | 14:58 |
| ShadowJK | The chinese MIPS-based netbooks have it, iirc | 14:58 |
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| woglinde | hm how did the chinese managed this | 14:59 |
| glass | licensed flashlite from adobe? easy enough to do, no? it's on a gazillion mobile phones for crap like animated screensavers | 15:00 |
| johnx | heh. my phone has it too :) | 15:00 |
| johnx | best use of flash ever is showing me a different mixed drink every time I open my phone | 15:00 |
| glass | haha | 15:00 |
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| johnx | eventually I realized it was torturing me when I was at work and switched to a static background | 15:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, the same configuration from HP is $120 more expensive | 15:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just aint gonna happen. | 15:02 |
| johnx | I guess it totally depends on priorities, but having tried both I'm holding out till i have the cash for the HP | 15:02 |
| woglinde | hm the touchbook will be 250 bucks | 15:03 |
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| lardman | re | 15:03 |
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| johnx | s/250/400/ | 15:03 |
| woglinde | but not seperate videooutput yet | 15:03 |
| lardman | lcuk: yeah, pretty chewy | 15:03 |
| * ShadowJK saw the HP mini thing with VIA cpu advertised for 299E (the 22%VAT incl.) | 15:03 | |
| woglinde | https://www.alwaysinnovating.com/company/ | 15:03 |
| woglinde | ups | 15:04 |
| woglinde | without company | 15:04 |
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| johnx | on the preorder page they want $300 in tablet form and $400 in netbook form | 15:05 |
| * Stskeeps ponders where wazd is | 15:05 | |
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| * GeneralAntilles is getting w.sharethis.com popups on every stupid site he goes to. | 15:05 | |
| lardman | Stskeeps: listening to music via a2dp ;) | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: possibly | 15:05 |
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| ShadowJK | cool | 15:05 |
| ShadowJK | I'd buy that for 400 | 15:05 |
| RST38h | General: run HijackThis RIGHT NOW | 15:07 |
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| woglinde | hm I could sware it were lower then 399 | 15:09 |
| johnx | maybe they had to up the price to cover costs? or maybe they started with a lower price to build buzz? | 15:10 |
| woglinde | hihi | 15:10 |
| woglinde | but 400 is good | 15:10 |
| woglinde | with the cheaper dollar | 15:10 |
| johnx | yeah, I'll be really tempted once this turns up as an actualy device and once someone somewhat reputable tells me the hardware isn't horribly b0rken :) | 15:11 |
| ShadowJK | I'd probably get it for the formfactor regardless of what's inside ;) | 15:11 |
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| timelE61i | andre: ping | 15:12 |
| * timelE61i hates bug hot potato | 15:12 | |
| andre__ | timelE61i, pong | 15:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | *ding* | 15:12 |
| lardman | I like the size of that UMID M1 thing | 15:13 |
| woglinde | but wahtever you are going to buy | 15:13 |
| woglinde | dont bye a device with gma500 video card | 15:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh, Atom. | 15:13 |
| johnx | ShadowJK, I just want someone to tell me "Boots up, seems to work, doesn't feel like it's going to break." | 15:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | "A gui in which an experienced computer user doesn't understand how to close a dialog is bad" | 15:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | I find this claim to be suspect. | 15:14 |
| RST38h | real good gui won't have dialogs! | 15:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Experienced computer users are frequently too set in their ways. | 15:15 |
| RST38h | it will have a single screen with lots of little knobs buttons and checkboxes | 15:15 |
| RST38h | like one of those ancient analogue synthesizers | 15:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | The RX-71 is just covered in pots. | 15:15 |
| ShadowJK | and new computer users can't see through all the theming and crud and realize that there might be multiple windows on the screen, and that the new text that just appeared isn't to be read as part of the document they were just writing | 15:16 |
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| lardman | time to go chew some more cable | 15:20 |
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| RST38h | having said that, that fremantle UI does look like mess right now | 15:21 |
| ccooke | RST38h: it's fragmentary. I have to say I like the concepts they appear to be using | 15:22 |
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| johnx | dialogs at the bottom look semi-ugly but they are really nice for thumb use | 15:23 |
| * RST38h does not see any thought out concepts yet, at least not at the screenshots | 15:23 | |
| johnx | I would imagine, especially on a device with the keyboard slid down | 15:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a framework for application developers to start using. | 15:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not a final UI. | 15:23 |
| johnx | I think the final GUI will be pretty close in concept | 15:24 |
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| johnx | they're probably holding back on a lot of theming stuff though that's either not ready or top secret | 15:24 |
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| RST38h | johnx: I am kinda concerned that they are dropping a lot of well designed S90 stuff and not adding anything equallity good | 15:26 |
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| johnx | RST38h, hmm? not that familiar with S90 so could you be a little more specific? | 15:26 |
| RST38h | johnx: card-like windows, task manager, menus, status panel | 15:27 |
| RST38h | johnx: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_Series_90 | 15:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Status panel is still there | 15:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | As is the task manager. | 15:28 |
| johnx | well the task manager will be there again :) | 15:28 |
| RST38h | yes, but all the apps appear to run full screen now | 15:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Um? | 15:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | No? | 15:29 |
| RST38h | so there is no space for all the above stuff | 15:29 |
| johnx | they just got rid of the sidebar | 15:29 |
| RST38h | but the status bar stays in windowed mode? | 15:29 |
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| johnx | the top bar? yes. have you looked at the screenshots? | 15:29 |
| johnx | I think a lot of this will make more sense when they make their current theme not suck | 15:30 |
| RST38h | I did, just wasn't sure what its functions are going to be | 15:30 |
| RST38h | hopefully | 15:30 |
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| johnx | I am eager to see what they'll do for a task switcher | 15:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Telepathy | 15:34 |
| johnx | nah, that's the chat system :P | 15:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, you gotta IM the task switcher to tell it what you want to switch it. ;) | 15:35 |
| oli | hey, I need some scp client with GUI | 15:35 |
| johnx | "maemo-tablet, please switch to the browser" "Sorry, I can't do that Dave." | 15:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | oli, sftp | 15:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not Dave! | 15:35 |
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| oli | GeneralAntilles: is there a maemo port? | 15:36 |
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| * oli has an idea, he would use sshfs :-D | 15:39 | |
| johnx | oli, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/gftp-gtk/ | 15:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I need another flame thread to jump myself up to 2000 Thanks | 15:40 |
| AndrewFBlack | Morning | 15:40 |
| AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles want me to start the flame thread? lol | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: maybe a troll account? like, darius.jack | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:41 |
| johnx | mornin' AndrewFBlack | 15:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, ha! | 15:41 |
| johnx | puppets: the great /. tradition | 15:41 |
| * AndrewFBlack doesn't feel like working on school work today | 15:41 | |
| Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: i'm doing a linear algebra handin | 15:42 |
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| Stskeeps | it's about as much fun as dancing can-can on glass pieces | 15:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, you're into some strange stuff, buddy. | 15:42 |
| dneary | hi | 15:43 |
| dneary | What time are we doing the sprint meeting? | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | nah, just sat quite a lot of years in a gothic irc channel | 15:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | 17 minutes | 15:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, :P | 15:43 |
| dneary | 15 minutes? | 15:43 |
| dneary | Cool | 15:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Sprint review in #maemo-meeting in 15 minutes. | 15:45 |
| dneary | 14 by my watch | 15:46 |
| woglinde | GeneralAntilles what will happen there? | 15:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 8:46:45 | 15:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | woglinde, http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints | 15:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Website development. | 15:47 |
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| johnx | woo! I have a good feeling about xserver-kdrive-fbdev 1.4.0.90 even with its ~20 patches | 15:55 |
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| Stskeeps | woo | 15:55 |
| woglinde | lol | 15:55 |
| woglinde | johny for mer? | 15:55 |
| johnx | yup. mer for zaurus. the long awaited, oft delayed | 15:55 |
| woglinde | oh my god | 15:56 |
| johnx | and because I had mer on the brain I just typed apt-get install libdrm-mer instead of libdrm-dev O_o | 15:56 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: remember the url for the mer artwork? | 15:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2 minutes 'til #maemo-meeting | 15:58 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, errr...there was an official one? | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 15:58 |
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| Stskeeps | where's wazd now that we finally need him | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:59 |
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| johnx | treats us right for taking him for granted I guess | 15:59 |
| johnx | wazd, come back! we miss you! | 15:59 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/step-one.png | 16:03 |
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| johnx | nice. do you have debs so that I could install and try and play with the layout a bit? | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | i386 ones | 16:06 |
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| johnx | I can work with that :) | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | k, sec | 16:08 |
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| johnx | darn, x-k-f just failed to build :/ | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/hd/hildon-desktop_2.0.19-1mer18_i386.deb , http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/hd/libhildondesktop0_2.0.19-1mer18_i386.deb , http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/hd/libhildonwm0_2.0.19-1mer18_i386.deb | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | marquee-plugins is also built | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | i goddamnit hate that clock though | 16:10 |
| johnx | is there a reason we need to use it over statusbar-clock? | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | no, was just a demo | 16:10 |
| johnx | ah, then all is good :) | 16:10 |
| RST38h | Sts: Why do you need multiple svn repos? | 16:16 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: not svn, git. git does -not- support checking out subtrees | 16:16 |
| RST38h | sts: ah shit =( | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: which makes it useless for sane projects | 16:16 |
| RST38h | sts: was there some reason to use it instead of svn? | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: in mer's case it is good to have distributed workflow | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | and a huge svn would be hell :P | 16:17 |
| RST38h | Sts: as long as you manage it properly, will be ok | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: also there's not per-directory permissions on garage | 16:18 |
| woglinde | anyone knosw the status about the git plugin for gforge based protals? | 16:18 |
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| Macer | yawn | 16:20 |
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| Macer | i really do like the wifi tethering over the bt | 16:21 |
| Macer | seems to be a little more stable and work better | 16:21 |
| Macer | n800 really does just kick ass sometimes | 16:21 |
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| concorr | hi | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | hi | 16:26 |
| concorr | wlancond reset my n800 | 16:26 |
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| concorr | anyone can helpme? | 16:27 |
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| lcuk | ok i ned help and iv been told to ask you lot | 16:44 |
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| lardman | lcuk: no, we've heard bad things about you | 16:45 |
| lcuk | i need to know how to clone a system hard drive | 16:45 |
| lcuk | and i need the answer in plain english with instructions a monkey could follow | 16:45 |
| thresh | dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=40M | 16:45 |
| lcuk | it's mrs lcuk btw | 16:45 |
| thresh | where sda and sdb are the respective drives you want to clone from and to | 16:46 |
| lardman | ah, in which case the things weren't that bad | 16:46 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: grab a copy of norton ghost | 16:46 |
| AStorm | dd is cheaper | 16:47 |
| lardman | Windows or Linux? | 16:47 |
| lcuk | windows | 16:47 |
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| AStorm | hmm | 16:48 |
| lcuk | iv asked him to do it loads but he hasnt too busy with liqbase so im taking matters into my own hands | 16:48 |
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| AStorm | then Ghost is the best bet | 16:48 |
| AStorm | for Linux, sfdisk -d and dd are best | 16:48 |
| lcuk | ewww norton | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: ghost is amazing though :P http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm is also a free alternative | 16:49 |
| lcuk | i really need a simple list... step 1 press this step 2 click that that kinda thing :D | 16:50 |
| lcuk | mrs liq is a non geek | 16:50 |
| AStorm | uh, that's Ghost | 16:50 |
| AStorm | :) | 16:50 |
| AStorm | it is 3-click | 16:50 |
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| Stskeeps | norton ghost is <3 | 16:50 |
| lcuk | ok ill get him to have a look later then now i can nag him with the name of a product | 16:51 |
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| ethy__ | hi | 16:53 |
| ethy__ | i'm trying to emulate nokia n810 with qemu to run maemo (diablo) | 16:55 |
| ethy__ | i followed this steps: http://www.rkeene.org/projects/info/wiki/106 | 16:56 |
| ethy__ | but when i execute qemu a lot of errors are printed | 16:57 |
| ethy__ | "onenand_write: unknown OneNAND boot command 0" | 16:57 |
| ethy__ | any ideas? | 16:57 |
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| AStorm | not emulated stuff | 17:02 |
| AStorm | ignore it | 17:02 |
| AStorm | it should run, but I had no success with n810 | 17:02 |
| AStorm | when the kernel is built for n800, it works | 17:02 |
| AStorm | (system is obviously the same) | 17:02 |
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| woglinde | you need a qemu patch from hrw for n810 | 17:02 |
| ethy__ | oh wait, i have configuration from n800 and i'm triying to emulate a 810, sorry | 17:03 |
| woglinde | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2008/09/20/maemo-in-qemu-n8x0-emulation-presentation/ | 17:03 |
| AStorm | ooh, new stuff | 17:04 |
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| AStorm | I haven't been following the blog recently | 17:04 |
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| johnx | morning qwerty12 | 17:21 |
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| qwerty12 | hey johnx :) | 17:21 |
| MaceN800 | hm. wtf | 17:21 |
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| RST38h | Mozilla is nearly ready to release the next beta version of Firefox 3.1 to the public for testing, and insiders predict that it will outpace even Safari 4, which has been the fastest browser in wide release since its beta began last week. | 17:30 |
| RST38h | (and the urlbar search will probably take minutes now) | 17:31 |
| johnx | heh. I'm still not seeing the slowdown in awesome bar, except for getting some *very old* results | 17:32 |
| RST38h | I will try deleting places.sqlite in a moment, maybe it has got corrupted? | 17:32 |
| RST38h | will lose all that awesome searchable history of course but maybe it will stop hanging... | 17:33 |
| johnx | are you seeing some results then waiting a long time for others? | 17:33 |
| johnx | or are you waiting seconds for even recent results? | 17:33 |
| mgedmin | do this: (1) run apt-get upgrade in the background, (2) start typing in the awesomebar, (3) watch how your window is frozen waiting for sqlite to load some data from the disk which is busy writing out upgraded packages (4) marvel how there's an X grab that prevents you from switching applications or workspaces so you have to sit there and wait | 17:33 |
| RST38h | I am seeing FireFox completely hang when I type even a single letter in urlbar | 17:33 |
| * mgedmin wants asynchronous awesomebar completions | 17:34 | |
| RST38h | mgedmin: I am running WindowsXP. | 17:34 |
| johnx | ah, is your system under lots of load otherwise? | 17:34 |
| RST38h | (but it hangs in Ubuntu as well) | 17:34 |
| * Myrtti is happy that ubiquity works better now with minefield | 17:34 | |
| RST38h | not really | 17:34 |
| mgedmin | ah, windows -- the OS that doesn't let you *move the fricking window* when the app is busy | 17:34 |
| mgedmin | otoh I heard from a coworker who uses both that Firefox is generally faster and nicer on windows | 17:34 |
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| qwerty12 | yeah, think I read somewhere recently that firefox in wine outperforms native... | 17:35 |
| RST38h | Yea, right, blame Microsoft for everything | 17:35 |
| qwerty12 | Even with a shitton of extensions, firefox crashes less in windows than it does in ubuntu... | 17:35 |
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| * RST38h keworks places.sqlite | 17:36 | |
| RST38h | FF never crashed on me in Ubuntu | 17:36 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, lucky. | 17:36 |
| mgedmin | RST38h: ever tried using the flash plugin with pulseaudio? | 17:36 |
| RST38h | Aside from the freaking urlbar and eventual memory leakage, FF is rock stable in either system for me | 17:36 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: I prefer no to know such words | 17:37 |
| mgedmin | that's the trick for having a stable firefox in linux | 17:37 |
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| RST38h | but flash appears to work, whatever audio it is using | 17:37 |
| mgedmin | but sometimes one wants to watch youtube... | 17:37 |
| RST38h | shows yutube too | 17:37 |
| mgedmin | while one has a movie paused in totem at the same time | 17:37 |
| mgedmin | on a dinky laptop audio card that doesn't support multiple opening | 17:38 |
| johnx | I gave up on pulseaudio for now :/ | 17:38 |
| mgedmin | well, okay, that was 2 ubuntu releases ago | 17:38 |
| RST38h | Dunno, too many preconditions | 17:38 |
| mgedmin | now alsa's dmix is probably enabled by default | 17:38 |
| ||cw | flash likes ot lock the audio for itself | 17:38 |
| RST38h | For example, I am not using totem | 17:38 |
| * mgedmin is very very demanding of his systems | 17:38 | |
| * mgedmin will use whatever the hell he pleases | 17:38 | |
| * johnx uses what works, ignores what doesn't | 17:39 | |
| * mgedmin likes to do things like install two different packages at the same time (on windows) while browsing the web | 17:39 | |
| * mgedmin laughs at "please close all running apps" warnings installshield presents | 17:39 | |
| johnx | well, you make compromises when you choose to do those things | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | :) | 17:39 |
| * qwerty12 likes the windows 95 era installshield compared to the installshield + windows installer shit they put out now | 17:40 | |
| johnx | choosing what works for you is all about choosing the compromises you can live with | 17:40 |
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| X-Fade | qwerty12: I had a new pc where where was a installshield installer updater running allthe time. How crazy is that ;) | 17:41 |
| mgedmin | I don't understand that one at all | 17:41 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe | 17:41 |
| mgedmin | "installshield has updates" -- huh? | 17:42 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: Yes, the installer can be updated too ;) | 17:42 |
| mgedmin | is that like ubuntu releasing an updated version of apt-get? | 17:42 |
| mgedmin | I always thought on windows every app comes with a copy of the installer | 17:42 |
| qwerty12 | With my HP, I don't think I got that but my sister's Dell had the install shield updater... | 17:42 |
| RST38h | As for audio, I prefer not to know any cute linuxy words other than /dev/dsp | 17:42 |
| mgedmin | and you don't use the installer when not installing apps | 17:42 |
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| * qwerty12 prefers not to update his apps in windows until uhm... a long while later | 17:43 | |
| RST38h | i.e. all these alsas, arts, esds, pulseaudios can die their eventual deaths in some other universe I don't have to watch | 17:43 |
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| mgedmin | RST38h: don't come to us when you buy a bluetooth headset and want to listen music through it | 17:43 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: got a bluetooth headset. worksforme on windows. | 17:44 |
| johnx | mgedmin, RST38h already promised to rewrite every individual application to know about bt audio directly rather than through an abstraction layer :) | 17:44 |
| RST38h | johnx: You misunderstood me | 17:44 |
| johnx | possibly *shrugs* | 17:45 |
| RST38h | johnx: I *proposed* to murder every app author not supporting industry standard /dev/dsp, /dev/pcm, or /dev/audio api | 17:45 |
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| johnx | and then you offered no real solution for bt audio except for some vague ideas | 17:45 |
| RST38h | all of the above have almost identical apis | 17:46 |
| RST38h | johnx: have a userspace driver with /dev/dsp-compatible API | 17:46 |
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| mgedmin | RST38h: is that even possible? | 17:47 |
| mgedmin | there are wrappers that try to do that with LD_PRELOAD hacks and fail to work with some apps | 17:47 |
| mgedmin | there apps that mmap /dev/dsp and you can't fake that from userspace | 17:47 |
| mgedmin | there ARE apps | 17:47 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: I think so given how dumb /dev/dsp is | 17:48 |
| mgedmin | dumb? ioctls! mmap! etc. | 17:49 |
| RST38h | ok, you probably won't be able to mmap it | 17:49 |
| RST38h | the rest you should be able to do | 17:49 |
| RST38h | as long as write() works, it should be ok | 17:50 |
| johnx | "Hey, all you guys who wrote apps, fix them all individually so they work with my shiny new headphones." | 17:50 |
| RST38h | johnx: I am actually proposing the opposite | 17:50 |
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| johnx | unless they use mmap | 17:51 |
| RST38h | johnx: rather than having to fix all apps every time the next cool linux audio framework comes up, just use the baseline | 17:51 |
| RST38h | johnx: how often would you need to mmap /dev/dsp? | 17:51 |
| RST38h | johnx: I mean you can probably do it if you like, but to what purpose? | 17:52 |
| johnx | how often do you *need* to and how often do people do it anyways are probably two very different numbers | 17:52 |
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| johnx | doesn't really matter anyways since ALSA seems like it's here to stay, which is just fine by me | 17:52 |
| RST38h | johnx: except that ALSA works differently on each platform | 17:53 |
| johnx | hmm? in what way? | 17:53 |
| RST38h | and has got API so large and convoluted that implementing it fully is probably impossible, unless you have the exact same hw as its designers | 17:54 |
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| johnx | if you're referring to Nokia's DSP based implementation of ALSA, I would call it 'not really working' and leave it at that | 17:54 |
| RST38h | johnx: in "does not make sound, hangs the system" way for SigmaTel, for example | 17:54 |
| johnx | ok, there are some broken ALSA drivers | 17:54 |
| RST38h | johnx: see, you seem to confirm that Nokia ALSA does not work either | 17:54 |
| johnx | I had a broken OSS driver for my ISA PNP. I guess that means it's a bad standard too | 17:55 |
| johnx | let's just implement whatever WinCE does | 17:55 |
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| RST38h | johnx: I have never had a broken /dev/dsp or (later) /dev/pcm driver in FreeBSD | 17:55 |
| johnx | well, it's too bad we're not using FreeBSD then, isn't it? | 17:55 |
| RST38h | johnx: WinCE waveOut is actually easier to use than ALSA and easier to implement too | 17:55 |
| johnx | well, we have a winner then :) | 17:56 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Well, you do not need to use FreeBSD to understand that you need a universal baseline audio driver that works on all platforms the same way | 17:56 |
| RST38h | That is kinda obvious idea, to anyone but Linux kiddies bent on doing "their own thing". | 17:57 |
| johnx | s/on all platforms/for all output devices/ | 17:57 |
| RST38h | johnx: or even both of these :) | 17:57 |
| johnx | looks like we get to pick one :) | 17:58 |
| johnx | and we seem to have made different priority choices | 17:58 |
| RST38h | johnx: the problem is that you do not get to pick one | 17:58 |
| RST38h | johnx: Every 1-2 years you are forced to use a new one | 17:58 |
| johnx | isn't their an ALSA emulation layer on top of OSS now? | 17:59 |
| RST38h | When KDE/Gnome switch | 17:59 |
| johnx | let's see. Gnome started with ESD in like 1999 and now it uses an API compatible system called pulseaudio | 17:59 |
| RST38h | johnx: No idea - Ubuntu's desktop linux does expose a /dev/dsp of some kind and it seems to work (with some little glitch I fixed) | 17:59 |
| johnx | ah, well that's the OSS emulation layer on top of ALSA | 18:00 |
| johnx | also, KDE started with artsd sometime in 1998 (IIRC) and retains it to this very day | 18:00 |
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| RST38h | it does? | 18:00 |
| RST38h | incredible | 18:00 |
| * RST38h googles | 18:00 | |
| thresh | they throw away artsd | 18:01 |
| johnx | ah. guess I missed it | 18:01 |
| RST38h | thresh: what do they use now? | 18:01 |
| thresh | in favor of phonon subsystem | 18:01 |
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| RST38h | ah shit, ANOTHER framework | 18:01 |
| johnx | muahaha. | 18:01 |
| johnx | guess you have a point then | 18:01 |
| thresh | OSS sucks | 18:01 |
| * RST38h asks the Great Tentacled one to award every single Linux audio framework designer with hemorroids | 18:02 | |
| thresh | it's not an 'audio' framework | 18:02 |
| thresh | phonon is multimedia api in general | 18:02 |
| RST38h | Ah, of course it is The Last Great Media Framework to End All Frameworks | 18:02 |
| RST38h | that is what each of these guys says :) | 18:03 |
| * thresh is not in the trolling mood | 18:03 | |
| slonopotamus | arts? i don't have any arts. how my kde 3.5.10 makes sounds then? | 18:03 |
| RST38h | It streams MP3s! It streams MP4s! Of course, it does not let me play a 128-byte buffer, but WHo CARES! :) | 18:03 |
| * johnx listens to music on his bt headphones, smiles | 18:04 | |
| * RST38h has got an impression people stopped writing any audio apps other than MP3 players | 18:05 | |
| thresh | we will welcome your patches | 18:05 |
| lardman | johnx: smiling at the pitch changes? ;) | 18:05 |
| RST38h | johnx: BTW, how come I have forgotten gstreamer? :) | 18:05 |
| MaceN800 | haha | 18:05 |
| MaceN800 | what else is there? | 18:06 |
| johnx | RST38h, because that's something different | 18:06 |
| RST38h | johnx: Same shit. | 18:06 |
| johnx | lardman, they're not all that bad on an A64 3000+ | 18:06 |
| RST38h | johnx: Streaming media through loops. | 18:06 |
| johnx | RST38h, just like a libjpeg is the same as /dev/fb0 | 18:06 |
| lardman | johnx: ah, indeed :) | 18:06 |
| RST38h | johnx: well, gstreamer is not exactly libjpeg | 18:06 |
| johnx | lardman, though they *are* still present if I listen for them | 18:06 |
| johnx | RST38h, imlib2? | 18:07 |
| RST38h | johnx: It does have the actual physical output/input as its endpoints | 18:07 |
| RST38h | johnx: not familiar with imlib2, can't say | 18:07 |
| lardman | johnx: the lack of Linux high accuracy timers | 18:07 |
| johnx | yeah, what really kills me is that my bt headphones have a distinct incompatibility with my glasses :/ | 18:07 |
| RST38h | johnx: but do think gstreamer goes into the same group as phonon and arts, i.e. its authors qualify for hemorroids | 18:08 |
| johnx | RST38h, just make sure they're easy to redeem and will be shipped promptly | 18:08 |
| RST38h | johnx: the moment N900 supports A2DP, I am buying huge cupped BT headphones :) | 18:08 |
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| johnx | mmmm...do want active noise canceling | 18:09 |
| * Stskeeps has that on his S-E headphones | 18:10 | |
| lardman | yeah same here | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | that's very nic | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | e | 18:10 |
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| lardman | just fly 1st class | 18:10 |
| lardman | ;) | 18:10 |
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| johnx | yeah, tried them on in an electronics store here during the weekend evening rush and the effect was close to a religious experience | 18:10 |
| lardman | with what sort of noise? | 18:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | The one thing Bose ever did right was the noise cancelling on the QC2s. | 18:11 |
| lardman | people talking/white (aircraft engines, etc.)? | 18:11 |
| johnx | crowd noise, traffic noise, overhead train noise | 18:11 |
| lardman | cool | 18:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Makes flying so much easier. | 18:11 |
| lardman | what, 1st class? | 18:11 |
| lardman | sure does | 18:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, psh, I flying on my dad's SkyMiles. :P | 18:11 |
| johnx | the noise wasn't *gone* it was just like everyone started whispering suddenly | 18:11 |
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| aquatix | johnx: which headphones are you talking about? | 18:12 |
| * Jaffa yawns | 18:12 | |
| johnx | honestly I don't remember | 18:12 |
| aquatix | heh, k ) | 18:12 |
| aquatix | :) | 18:12 |
| johnx | I tried on a bunch, but I wasn't really looking to buy so I didn't keep track | 18:12 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: The pages on doing stuff to the Application Manager - under User:GeneralAntilles in the iwki? | 18:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most of the non-cheap ear-cupping models are fairly similar | 18:13 |
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| * GeneralAntilles suffers through a browser crash for: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_the_Application_manager | 18:14 | |
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| Myrtti | I wonder why I get a bottom scrollbar on that page | 18:16 |
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| jeremiah_ | Because you're special Myrtti | 18:16 |
| t_s_o | no wonder im having issues with some pdf files in evince. the poppler version used is close to ancient... | 18:16 |
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| aquatix | Myrtti: i don't, but maybe my window is slightly wider | 18:17 |
| Myrtti | jeremiah_: oooh, that helps my pain, I'm *speshul* | 18:17 |
| aquatix | Myrtti: yesh you art! | 18:17 |
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| zeenix | hi | 18:19 |
| zeenix | any canola developer around? | 18:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, something to do with images, maybe? | 18:19 |
| jeremiah_ | speshul | 18:19 |
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| AndrewFBlack | Who wants to help me come up with a name for my web based pim application? | 18:20 |
| jeremiah_ | AndrewFBlack: Maepim? | 18:21 |
| jeremiah_ | paem? | 18:21 |
| parazitus | pimmy? | 18:21 |
| AndrewFBlack | lol | 18:21 |
| florian | pimpme? ;) | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | AndrewFBlack, PIMP - Personal Information Manager Prodigy | 18:22 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 18:22 |
| thresh | i wonder if maemo has any local PIM app | 18:22 |
| parazitus | pimmy = my pim | 18:23 |
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| AndrewFBlack | I like PIMP but I bet pimp.com is taken lol | 18:23 |
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| AndrewFBlack | yep pimp.com is taken | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | blackpimp.com? | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | .. bet that's taken too | 18:24 |
| qwerty12 | pimp.co.ck seems available (no, I bullshit you not - co.ck is a real code) | 18:24 |
| AndrewFBlack | lol well my last name is black it woudl work | 18:24 |
| thresh | <telepathy=on> and your first is Andrew | 18:25 |
| thresh | </telepathy> | 18:25 |
| AndrewFBlack | thresh how did you knwo | 18:25 |
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| thresh | i have some skillz | 18:25 |
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| AndrewFBlack | lol even MaePim.com is taken | 18:26 |
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| AndrewFBlack | there are no good domains left anymore | 18:26 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ta | 18:28 |
| mgedmin | AVeryGoodDomain.com seems to be still free | 18:28 |
| mgedmin | (gooddomain.com is taken) | 18:28 |
| jeremiah_ | What about AVeryVeryGooddomain.com | 18:28 |
| AndrewFBlack | hmm PIWM.mobi is open Could Call it Personal Information Web Manager | 18:28 |
| mgedmin | we once played a game: pick random 4-letter domain names. the one who finds a domain that's not registered already wins | 18:29 |
| dl9pf | hi ! on my n810 the keyboard uses suddently the wrong characters - if i press "-", i get "=", for "ä" i get "-" how can i fix this ? | 18:29 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: you are risking a lawsuit from Avery, unless it goes belly up in the current cataclysm | 18:30 |
| mgedmin | aaaugh | 18:30 |
| slonopotamus | :D | 18:31 |
| slonopotamus | PrettyOkDomain.com? | 18:32 |
| dl9pf | especially the FN+<foo> doesn't work | 18:32 |
| AndrewFBlack | I found a 4 letter domain 3I0S.COM | 18:32 |
| AndrewFBlack | took like 10 random tries to find one | 18:33 |
| mgedmin | we have a winner! and your prize is a lolcat: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/funny-pictures-cat-pops-car-tire-before-vet.jpg | 18:34 |
| igagis | dl9pf: I have almost the same problem, I have Russian-localized tablet and on hardware keyboard I only can type Russian letters. If I set the layout to English in settings then I get the problem you describe, some keys are not what they are. | 18:34 |
| dl9pf | ok, i suppose something reset my xkbmap | 18:35 |
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| dl9pf | so question, what's the xkbmap setting to use | 18:35 |
| dl9pf | should be "setxkbmap -model <foo> -layout <bar> -variant <dunnow> | 18:35 |
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| VDVsx | ohhh, Nokia now have a Law, lolol | 18:37 |
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| dl9pf | ok, for the records: de layout: setxkbmap -model nokiarx44 -layout de | 18:38 |
| dl9pf | igagis: tnx | 18:38 |
| dl9pf | cya | 18:39 |
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| igagis | dl9pf: I did not even do anything to help you. You're welcome anyway :-) | 18:39 |
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| wazd | Hello everybody! I got a new videocard at last) | 18:40 |
| johnx | welcome back wazd! :D | 18:40 |
| slonopotamus | wazd, hellowazd | 18:40 |
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| johnx | wazd, http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-marquee2.png | 18:41 |
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| johnx | ah, this is the later one: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/step-one.png | 18:43 |
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| wazd | johnx, nice! | 18:43 |
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| johnx | yup. Stskeeps did most of that today :) | 18:48 |
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| kozak | HI Stskeeps | 18:52 |
| wazd | I suddenly realised that iPhone multitasking will look like coverflow) | 18:53 |
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| RST38h | wazd: s/multitasking/taskswitching | 19:01 |
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| wazd | RST38h, yes :) | 19:05 |
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| Direc | my ubuntu maemo installation keeps insisting that it is booted from incompatible bootmenu, how to diagnostic? | 19:07 |
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| Direc | it has something to do with the fact that I deleted bootmenu.conf and now I can't get it booting | 19:08 |
| Direc | well, maemo part works... | 19:08 |
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| johnx | Direc, where did you get bootmenu from? | 19:14 |
| johnx | there are two versions floating around | 19:15 |
| Direc | yeah, I was actually hoping to hear something like that :) | 19:16 |
| lcuk | ffs @ tracy - i told her to ask in jest | 19:16 |
| Direc | where could I find the ubuntu-compatible one? | 19:16 |
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| Direc | template will do | 19:16 |
| johnx | it's not just the bootmenu.conf file, it's other stuff as well | 19:17 |
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| Direc | is deblet installers bootmenu ok? | 19:18 |
| johnx | you might as well get the latest, which goes along with mer installer | 19:18 |
| Direc | I have mer's installer now | 19:18 |
| Direc | :I | 19:18 |
| johnx | have you tried running 'install bootmenu' again? | 19:19 |
| Direc | yes | 19:19 |
| Direc | well, I'll try again | 19:19 |
| Direc | the problem is that without the bootmenu.conf file with certain contents, bootmenu.d folder is not included, or something... | 19:20 |
| johnx | right, but it should make you one when you install it | 19:20 |
| johnx | you could try: apt-get --reinstall install bootmenu | 19:20 |
| johnx | as root of course | 19:20 |
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| Direc | I ran "Install Bootmenu", here goes! | 19:21 |
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| Direc | noes! | 19:22 |
| Direc | I'll try reinstalling bootmenu and see | 19:22 |
| Direc | *what happens | 19:23 |
| Direc | nope, it won't install me one | 19:25 |
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| Direc | what's next :I | 19:25 |
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| johnx | "nope, it won't install me one" <- what does that mean? | 19:25 |
| johnx | did it say: "I won't install you one."? | 19:26 |
| Direc | wont't produce a file called bootmenu.conf | 19:26 |
| johnx | ah, but apt-get --reinstall install bootmenu did succeed without errors? | 19:26 |
| Direc | yes | 19:27 |
| johnx | anyways, which bootmenu.conf did you delete? | 19:27 |
| Direc | well, bootmenu.conf | 19:27 |
| johnx | where was it? | 19:27 |
| Direc | there were no conf.examples | 19:27 |
| Direc | /etc/bootmenu.conf | 19:27 |
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| johnx | is there one still in /mnt/initfs/bootmenu.conf ? | 19:28 |
| Direc | whoa, there it is! | 19:28 |
| johnx | they're the same file on my system. try copying it into place | 19:29 |
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| Stskeeps | copy that and /etc/bootmenu.d from initfs to /etc | 19:29 |
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| vasily_pupkin | anybody use linux-omap kernel with stlc opensource driver? | 19:29 |
| Direc | and the whole time I was looking in /mnt/initfs/etc/bootmenu.conf -.- | 19:29 |
| johnx | find -name is your friend :) | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: we need to start working a bit on actual pixel placements, icon sizes, etc | 19:30 |
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| johnx | grrr...broke my ubuntu/mer install on my zaurus. xfbdev is segfaulting. I'm running debootstrap and going to sleep | 19:33 |
| johnx | 'night all | 19:33 |
| qwerty12 | 'night johnx | 19:33 |
| slonopotamus | vasily_pupkin, you look russian :) as far as i know, nobody has it usable | 19:34 |
| slonopotamus | vasily_pupkin, google for nosocomia blog, he tries to run gentoo with it and even boots but many things do not work | 19:35 |
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| slonopotamus | vasily_pupkin, clock, for example. kernel doesn't read current time on startup | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't even do that in diablo :P | 19:36 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, userspace doesn't matter. it's just kernel <-> hw thing | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: retutime sets kernel time : | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | P | 19:37 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, hmm. ok, you win :) | 19:38 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, clock initing works completely diferent on normal systems? | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but on ARM this kind of stuff is fairly standard | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | i think :P | 19:41 |
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| RST38h | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/03/dont-insert-into-penis.jpg | 19:42 |
| slonopotamus | what 'this'? retu? i doubt | 19:42 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, they got that pic in 2009? | 19:42 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Dunno, something stopped me from investigating further | 19:42 |
| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: retutime is special (the hw is not really a typical RTC) | 19:43 |
| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: most arm systems now tie to the kernel RTC framework which just works with normal hwclock tool | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 19:43 |
| * slonopotamus wonders what reason made jokia to follow different path | 19:44 | |
| slonopotamus | s/j/n/ | 19:45 |
| Direc | didn't help :I | 19:45 |
| Direc | it was the same file I installed there a few times earlier :( | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | Direc: if you once get the huge warning sign when booting mer, you need to reinstall it. the incompatible bootmenu has wrecked the installation | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | it= mer | 19:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol, the Fennec guys are sure having a fun time trying to figure out how to upload to Extras. :P | 19:46 |
| Direc | so I would be very happy if one could provide me the bootmenu.conf (with the functions and such...) | 19:46 |
| Direc | Stskeeps, I'm trying to boot ubuntu this time | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | Direc: ah. | 19:46 |
| vasily_pupkin | solarion: ~ russian ^_^ I'm from ukraine | 19:47 |
| RST38h | General: non-free is probably the only way for them | 19:47 |
| woglinde | ga haha do we have autoconf-2.13 in the sdk? | 19:47 |
| * RST38h somehow doubts poor autobuilder will handle THAT | 19:47 | |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, it's also not allowed. | 19:47 |
| vasily_pupkin | i'm thinking about airocrack-ng at n810 | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | Direc: uninstall bootmenu and get | 19:47 |
| RST38h | General: Then either distribution .debs via web page or creating their own repo | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | http://packages.tspre.org/pool/user/b/bootmenu/bootmenu_1.5-2_armel.deb | 19:47 |
| woglinde | general do you know the status about the gitplugin for the gforge platforms? | 19:48 |
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| suihkulokki | slonopotamus: the retu-rtc driver used to have some amusing comments | 19:48 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, or they just fix the problem. Serves them right for hardcoding /home/cltbld/ | 19:49 |
| RST38h | qwerty: probably not their last problem... | 19:49 |
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| * timeless sighs | 19:49 | |
| qwerty12 | non-free is the lazy way out ;) | 19:49 |
| timeless | yay process | 19:49 |
| timeless | i was just asked to review a patch in our internal bugzilla | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | Direc: make sure a /etc/bootmenu.conf exists after this and it looks like https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/bootmenu/bootmenu.conf?revision=51&root=bootmenu&view=markup | 19:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | non-free is also the evil way. | 19:50 |
| timeless | which is precisely the patch i committed to hg.mozilla.org | 19:50 |
| slonopotamus | suihkulokki, googling | 19:50 |
| timeless | r+ "i wrote it, and i agree with my patch" | 19:50 |
| RST38h | qwerty: when stuff like Fennec is involved, it does seem to be the only practical one | 19:50 |
| RST38h | qwerty: huge ball of convoluted crap | 19:50 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, meh, I don't believe that. Anything I can do in my scratchbox (minus installing a new toolchain :(), I can do in my rules on the autobuilder | 19:51 |
| RST38h | qwerty: you are just not creative enough =) | 19:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe we should send qwerty12 to them. :P | 19:52 |
| timeless | can you sign w/ your key w/o letting the autobuilder have a copy of your key? :) | 19:52 |
| RST38h | And make them pay to maemo foundation? | 19:52 |
| timeless | actually | 19:52 |
| timeless | i suppose | 19:52 |
| qwerty12 | Only annoying part is Build-Depends but it's impractical to have the SDK installed upon each build... | 19:52 |
| timeless | you could provide a signature and ask the autobuilder to include it | 19:52 |
| timeless | and as long as 0 bits changed between how the autobuilder works and how your personal build works | 19:53 |
| timeless | then the signature could work :) | 19:53 |
| * Myrtti yawns | 19:53 | |
| qwerty12 | Does gtk_dialog_set_alternative_button_order work with a hildon_file_chooser btw? Not really bothered if not, just can't be arsed to rebuild if it has no effect or messes up :) | 19:54 |
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| RST38h | reboot. | 19:54 |
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| woglinde | hm I like the sb2 a lot more then sb1 | 19:54 |
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| qwerty12 | that makes 2: you and RST38h :p | 19:55 |
| woglinde | hehe | 19:55 |
| Direc | Stskeeps, that worked. Many thanks to you! | 19:56 |
| slonopotamus | hehe. rtc = return to chaos | 19:56 |
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| r2d2rogers | is dsme-tools the right thing to look at if my brightness doesn't adjust now? !mer | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: hmm yeah, odd that it doesn't | 19:59 |
| r2d2rogers | just about to try a apt-get update on a mostly pristine release image | 20:00 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Sts also secretly loves it afaik | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | i like sb2 but i am in a love-hate relationship to it | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | i would like it better if it worked properly and was documented :P | 20:01 |
| qwerty12 | odd people... :P | 20:02 |
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| mgedmin | verbing nouns funs | 20:04 |
| Direc | ubuntu still complains the same thing... so it's propably a config issue | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | Direc: remember what i said about it nuking the install | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | you need to reinstall ubuntu :/ | 20:05 |
| Direc | no.. | 20:06 |
| Direc | way.. | 20:06 |
| Direc | about int/ext cards.. | 20:06 |
| Direc | maemo sees them as mmcblk0 as internal, mmcblk1 as external, right? | 20:07 |
| Direc | but bootloader sees them the other way around? and ubuntu, too? | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | that's why you use INT_CARD and EXT_CARD in bootmenu | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | if b-man hasn't fixed that in his guide yet, i'm going to beat him | 20:07 |
| Direc | so in ubuntu's fstab i should have "/dev/mmcblk0p1 / ext2" etc. | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | nah, just rootfs | 20:10 |
| Direc | pointing to removable SD | 20:10 |
| Direc | oh | 20:10 |
| Direc | so no reference to mmcblk0p1 which contains ubuntu root? | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | correct | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | it is already mounted back in bootmenu :P | 20:11 |
| Direc | OH! | 20:11 |
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| Direc | so, let's say I nuke the partition and untar the rootstrap from "Ubuntu Jaunty for the N800/N810" forum guide; is it then bootable? | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | should be | 20:14 |
| timelE61i | nUked partitons don't hold data.. | 20:14 |
| Direc | ok, mkfs.ext2 then | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | ext3, :P | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | much better for your FS sanity | 20:16 |
| Direc | well, yeah | 20:16 |
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| Direc | sh*t, this is not going to work with me... | 20:35 |
| Direc | I'll have to try this on a better time :I | 20:35 |
| Direc | c'ya -> | 20:35 |
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| leafy2k9 | hey is this maemo as in the software that is on my nokia n810? | 20:45 |
| lfelipe | leafy2k9: pretty much yes | 20:46 |
| leafy2k9 | ive noticed after about 3 days of uptime my n810 gets all slow and laggy so i have to reboot and its all quick again | 20:47 |
| StsN800 | it's not windows mobile :P | 20:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | leafy2k9, are you leaving applications open? | 20:48 |
| leafy2k9 | nope | 20:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Applets? | 20:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Daemons? | 20:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something's clearly leaking. | 20:49 |
| leafy2k9 | quite a few applets, home status, home uptime, clock, home mem free, omweather | 20:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have you tried disabling some of the applets and seeing if it goes away? | 20:49 |
| leafy2k9 | uh, no | 20:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Do that. | 20:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | One of your applets is probably leaking. | 20:50 |
| leafy2k9 | i think its omweather | 20:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Once you figure out which one, please tell the maintainer. | 20:50 |
| leafy2k9 | ok i'll try it later | 20:51 |
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| leafy2k9 | also i cant pair it with my windows mobile 6 professional phone with maemo-pan, but i could with windows mobile 6 standard | 20:53 |
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| leafy2k9 | it seems to not connect with bluetooth devices which are designated as PDA rather than smartphone | 20:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | False advertising is always a funny accusation. | 20:55 |
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| t_s_o | seems a lot of people confuse the tablets as either pda or phone... | 21:00 |
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| inz | Am I the only one who doesn't like my applets in python? | 21:01 |
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| leafy2k9 | but if you do a bluetooth scan nokia (or maemo) advertises itsef as a PDA | 21:07 |
| t_s_o | thats because those are set types, and both phone and pda are technically wrong. but pda is closer then phone... | 21:09 |
| leafy2k9 | i would describe the n8x0 as a MID | 21:09 |
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| t_s_o | yep, but mid is a recent term, and one that intel wants to link to "intel inside" expectations... | 21:09 |
| leafy2k9 | like psion and netbook? | 21:10 |
| t_s_o | something like that... | 21:10 |
| t_s_o | on that bluetooth id thing, one can have the tablet id itself as just about anything by messing around with the class setting in hcid.conf | 21:11 |
| RST38h | Intel came up with the word MID so it is up to Intel how to use it | 21:12 |
| RST38h | (also see Microsoft with its UMPC) | 21:12 |
| leafy2k9 | its not the PDA actively refusing its maemo | 21:12 |
| RST38h | PDAs are dead, never say this word in front of Nokia marketing :) | 21:13 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | with the 770,N8X0; it was never alive :) | 21:14 |
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| leafy2k9 | GeneralAntilles, it IS omweather that is leaking | 21:19 |
| imhotep | it doesn't only make your tablet slow, it also causes a battery drain | 21:20 |
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| Stskeeps | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/03/always_innovating_touch_book_0011.jpg | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | if that's the touchbook mobo, i friggen want one | 22:44 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: i suspect memory related | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | dsp suddenly having space to take | 22:47 |
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| r2d2rogers | so something didn't start as it normally would? | 22:47 |
| r2d2rogers | booted to flash and the startup sound startled me | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | enabled virtual memory? :P | 22:48 |
| r2d2rogers | not playing internet radio stream | 22:48 |
| r2d2rogers | err now... | 22:48 |
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| r2d2rogers | I didn't change it on purpose... will check though | 22:48 |
| r2d2rogers | I had booted to flash with the intent of making a swap partition on the card... | 22:48 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: swap is still the 64 meg it allows you to create as a swap file | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | hm | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | odd | 22:52 |
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| r2d2rogers | this is literally the first time I've had sound this loud out of OS2008HE | 22:53 |
| r2d2rogers | I don't have a clue what I'm listening to on BBC radio 1, but it's cool just knowing the 770 is doing it | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:54 |
| * RST38h disabled swap - it made the system too slow | 22:54 | |
| * Stskeeps -really- wants that touchbook thing. | 22:54 | |
| r2d2rogers | dual screen touch keyboad one? | 22:54 |
| r2d2rogers | YEAH | 22:54 |
| r2d2rogers | me too | 22:54 |
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| Stskeeps | Mer would do wonders on that thing | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | now if this touchbook is real, to hell with pandora :P | 22:58 |
| woglinde | lol | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | crazy, comes with schematics too :P | 22:59 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: maybe it's just the default media player... the other 770 plays too | 23:02 |
| r2d2rogers | no swap | 23:02 |
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| timeless | ping | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | plonk | 23:06 |
| * b-man 's tablet took a beating today :( droped it on a concrete driveway this morning and it left a large scuff mark on the bottom right corner of the device X( | 23:06 | |
| b-man | but it's ok | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: so it goes | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | these tablets can take a beating | 23:07 |
| b-man | indeed :) | 23:07 |
| b-man | it's just annoying to see a bunch of chipped-off finish on the corner of my tablet when i use it now XP | 23:08 |
| b-man | ~ping | 23:10 |
| infobot | ~pong | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | eek, the N810 can get pretty hot :< | 23:12 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: if you don't remember power saving wifi yeah | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | and enabling it | 23:13 |
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| b-man | Stskeeps: btw, did you see my new xorg-config package? - it automaticly configures xorg.conf, Xwrapper.config, and rc.local for the tablets :) | 23:19 |
| b-man | http://www.bman.maemobox.org/repository/pool/main/x/xorg-config/ | 23:19 |
| RST38h | Small digits problem in TI83 mode solved! | 23:19 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: hehe, good, but you people should start contributing things to mer and help out there.. remember what i said: ubuntu is nice and all, but you're going to end up with a battery life not unlike a arm laptop, not a pocketable device you can have for days :P | 23:21 |
| t_s_o | is there a way to permanently turn on font size only zooming in microb? the setting i found seems to reset each time i open a window | 23:21 |
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| b-man | Stskeeps: you want me to build that package for mer? :) | 23:23 |
| b-man | I've also added support for osso-esd in ubuntu so we might be able to get adobe-flashplayer working :D | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 23:25 |
| b-man | k | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | well simply looking around on what could be done for mer and how it could be done is a start.. and what is lacking | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/step-one.png | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | moving slowly | 23:25 |
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| b-man | Stskeeps: re-designing the desktop? | 23:31 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: say what? | 23:31 |
| luke-jr | about power saving wifi? | 23:32 |
| StsN800 | b-man, yup, wazds ideas | 23:32 |
| StsN800 | luke-jr, yeah. psm ap. else it often gets hot | 23:33 |
| b-man | it looks awsome :D | 23:33 |
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| luke-jr | StsN800: how? | 23:33 |
| StsN800 | ~wifi-psm | 23:34 |
| infobot | methinks wifi-psm is http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) | 23:34 |
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