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| t_s_o | hmm, did maemo planet just spit out some old blog posts? | 00:03 |
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| lcuk | Nokia N800 firmware upgrade 3.2007.10-7 | 00:04 |
| lcuk | seems likely t_s_o | 00:04 |
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| t_s_o | heh, i checked the linked to blog, and said entry was done in 2007, so whatever made planet peg that as recent... | 00:05 |
| crashanddie | jeremiah: so you're a machine | 00:06 |
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| crashanddie | I knew something wasn't right with you, I knew it from the start | 00:06 |
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| * lcuk ponders a binary only alpha phase | 00:10 | |
| * lcuk giggles lots as well ;) | 00:11 | |
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| wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/13/nokia-shows-off-sample-image-from-mysterious-8-megapixel-phone/ | 00:13 |
| wazd | hmmm-hmmm-hmmm | 00:13 |
| wazd | cameraphones has more megapixels than my d-slr( | 00:14 |
| aquatix | haha | 00:14 |
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| b-man | lol | 00:14 |
| aquatix | wazd: rest assured | 00:14 |
| aquatix | your dSLR has a sensor about 20x the size | 00:14 |
| aquatix | at least | 00:14 |
| lcuk | camera envy | 00:15 |
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| lcuk | you have to wonder though how fast these images can be processed and decoded quickly | 00:15 |
| wazd | I remember Onion with "It has more memory and megapixels and other stuff" :) | 00:16 |
| t_s_o | i also question what the use of said photos will be. how often do people enlarge photos past say A4? | 00:16 |
| * thopiekar can't beleave it that nobody needs streamripper for diablo... | 00:18 | |
| ciroipp | well, t_s_o, how oftern people print photos anymore anyway | 00:18 |
| lcuk | t_s_o, 5mp is a decent enough res that jpeg losses dont effect it | 00:18 |
| ciroipp | thopiekar: I need it | 00:18 |
| thopiekar | wooho the first tester :) I love you | 00:18 |
| thopiekar | http://rapidshare.com/files/197282256/streamripper_armel_all.tar.gz | 00:19 |
| ciroipp | glad if ill be able | 00:19 |
| thopiekar | this archive contains all deb you need for streamripper | 00:19 |
| ciroipp | 1MB??? :) | 00:19 |
| thopiekar | isn't complicated actually.. | 00:19 |
| thopiekar | yes.. too much? | 00:19 |
| t_s_o | sadly i guess that MP have become the Hz of digital cameras... | 00:19 |
| ciroipp | and how I am supposed to test it if is not compiled? | 00:20 |
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| wazd_hp | wrong button( | 00:20 |
| lcuk | mpix and a good lens does help | 00:20 |
| t_s_o | lcuk: true, but the lens quality is harder to quantify on a ad sheet ;) | 00:20 |
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| wazd_hp | well, more mpixels - sharper image | 00:20 |
| thopiekar | is is compiled for armel.. just ready to install.. the problem is that I can'T test the packages because my n800 is in a repair shop... | 00:21 |
| thopiekar | s/is/it | 00:21 |
| ciroipp | sad | 00:21 |
| ciroipp | there is everything inside that tar | 00:21 |
| lcuk | wazd_hp, no - more mp == bigger images == slower loading (without hardware accel) == more sales of big mem cards | 00:21 |
| thopiekar | yes :| | 00:21 |
| thopiekar | yes :) | 00:21 |
| ciroipp | give me 2 minutes | 00:22 |
| t_s_o | seems my tablet has suddenly lost all ability to play sounds... | 00:22 |
| wazd_hp | lcuk: no) more mp = sharper imaes on same format | 00:22 |
| lcuk | no, you could have all the mp in the world and still come out with crap blurry images because the backend hardware (and lens) are crap | 00:23 |
| thopiekar | just remember to make a dictionary in the music-files folder or anywhere else and then point the ripped files there by "streamripper -d /output-folder/where/every/you/want IP:PORT" | 00:23 |
| thopiekar | ciroipp: ok thanks anyway | 00:23 |
| wazd_hp | lcuk: I'm comparing same hardware with mp difference | 00:24 |
| lcuk | the camera on n8x0 proves that. there are MUCH better cameras with same resolution | 00:24 |
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| wazd_hp | luck: I'm not telling than mp is all you need | 00:24 |
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| wazd_hp | lcuk: I'm telling that more megapixels - sharper image. It's a fact) | 00:24 |
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| wazd_hp | lcuk: you can make blurry shot with 50mpx digital back :) | 00:25 |
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| ciroipp | no success installing from the application manager, trying with the $ | 00:25 |
| thopiekar | ok | 00:26 |
| lcuk | wazd_hp, hehe i do - often | 00:26 |
| MaceN800 | hi | 00:26 |
| * lcuk is bad behind the camera | 00:26 | |
| t_s_o | gah, restarting esd changed nothing, so whats going on... | 00:26 |
| thopiekar | what is the message of the application manager? | 00:26 |
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| MaceN800 | my picoups came in today but im stuck at work | 00:26 |
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| wazd_hp | lcuk: the fact is that the most important thing that affects your photos are your hands | 00:27 |
| thopiekar | ps: if application manager says that libmad or something else is missing just install it with the extracted deb of the tar.. | 00:27 |
| wazd_hp | lcuk: I know people that can take awesome photos with matchbox with pinhole) | 00:27 |
| lcuk | agreed on that wazd, i shake all over | 00:27 |
| lcuk | pinhole camera rock!¬ | 00:28 |
| lcuk | -¬ | 00:28 |
| MaceN800 | want to go home and install it | 00:28 |
| wazd_hp | lcuk: all this technical stuff just makes it easy to average user | 00:28 |
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| wazd_hp | lcuk: on cameraphones megapixels are pure marketing shit) | 00:29 |
| wazd_hp | lcuk: same as "Carl Ceiss lens" stuff)) | 00:30 |
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| lcukx41 | same for cameras in general | 00:30 |
| aquatix | carl zeiss is pure hype nowadays | 00:30 |
| aquatix | marketing | 00:30 |
| lcukx41 | shat! i left the nokia on the other side of the room | 00:30 |
| aquatix | it has a special coating by carl zeiss but not a carl zeiss glass? "carl zeiss lense!$$$" | 00:30 |
| wazd | lcukx41: no, megapixels are important, I've already said why :) | 00:30 |
| lcukx41 | cant be arsed gettin up thou | 00:30 |
| aquatix | lcukx41: :) | 00:31 |
| wazd | lcukx41: but not for tiny cams :) | 00:31 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, any way to reset the dsp without rebooting? | 00:31 |
| lcukx41 | lardman would know for certain, cant you just reboot? | 00:32 |
| wazd | I wish engeneers will cut off a piece of some mature dslr sensor and it will make nice 3mpx photos :) | 00:32 |
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| lcukx41 | wazd, having a large sensor needs a large aperture and a decent lens | 00:32 |
| wazd | lcukx41: it won't be large | 00:33 |
| wazd | lcukx41: it will be very good quality | 00:33 |
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| lcukx41 | not if theres not a lot of light entering it wont | 00:33 |
| lcukx41 | larger sensor pads need more light to get better s2n | 00:34 |
| lcukx41 | big dslr cameras have large apertures and big lenses for a reason | 00:34 |
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| wazd | lcukx41: wait I'll show yA | 00:34 |
| MaceN800 | via should mzke a quad arm ststem that is like the artigo | 00:34 |
| MaceN800 | or nokia heh | 00:35 |
| MaceN800 | system | 00:35 |
| lcukx41 | MaceN800: beagleboard? | 00:36 |
| MaceN800 | oh | 00:36 |
| MaceN800 | they make one? =) | 00:36 |
| lcukx41 | dunno about the quad stuff but its powered up a fair number of desktop systems | 00:37 |
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| t_s_o | hrmf, seems sound works, only it do not like using speakers... | 00:41 |
| lcukx41 | t_s_o: bad cable? | 00:42 |
| t_s_o | fm radio driving me nuts apparently | 00:42 |
| lcukx41 | ooer | 00:42 |
| t_s_o | seems that if i got it tuned to a channel and then bumped it to use speakers, everything works again... | 00:42 |
| lcukx41 | how bizarre | 00:43 |
| t_s_o | indeed | 00:43 |
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| * lcukx41 facepalms | 00:44 | |
| t_s_o | i wonder if boafm shuts down the hardware correctly on exit btw... | 00:44 |
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| wazd | lcukx41: http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/digital/sensorsize2.gif | 00:44 |
| wazd | lcukx41: Let's say 35mm is 21.1 mpx now (Canon 5d) | 00:45 |
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| wazd | lcukx41: Xi is cameraphone sensor size | 00:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | t_s_o: 'dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.osso_hp_ls_controller /com/nokia/osso_hp_ls_controller com.nokia.osso_hp_ls_controller.loudspeaker.force_loudspeaker_on' to enable speaker outside of boafm | 00:45 |
| t_s_o | thanks qwerty12_N800 | 00:45 |
| wazd | lcukx41: let's just cut off the size of xi from 5D sensor | 00:45 |
| wazd | lcukx41: it will be about 2mpx but with outstanding iso range and overall quality | 00:46 |
| t_s_o | thing is tho, that i had not touched boafm or the radio applet for atleast 24 hours, this silly machine just decided that it didnt want to play sounds thru speakers any more... | 00:46 |
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| lcukx41 | wazd: that 2mpix sensor would be in relative darkness for the duration of the image though, it would have bad s2n | 00:47 |
| lcukx41 | to use larger pads you need mroe light | 00:47 |
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| lcukx41 | or longer exposure (which leads to blurry) | 00:48 |
| wazd | lcukx41: with larger pixel size it will be MORE sensitive than the current ones | 00:48 |
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| wazd | lcukx41: with less noise | 00:48 |
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| lcukx41 | if what you are getting at is comparing an already 5mpixel camera with a mythical 2.5mpix camera using the same aperture and occupying the same space then yeah it will, but you get similar results by just interpolating the 5mpix ;) | 00:50 |
| t_s_o | but then i got the radio applet fired up, tuned to a channel and toggled between speakers and headset, and back it came... | 00:50 |
| lcukx41 | the radio needs antenna thing doesnt it | 00:51 |
| lcukx41 | at least on gfs old phone it did | 00:51 |
| lcukx41 | plug in headphones to use radio | 00:51 |
| t_s_o | yep, it uses the headset | 00:51 |
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| t_s_o | lcukx41: thing is, it was not that radio didnt have sound, nothing had sound. and no amount of restarts of esd, mediaplayer-daemon or anything else i could think of related to sounds (outside of a full system reboot) helped | 00:52 |
| t_s_o | and it was playing desktop feedback sounds maybe a hour or two before that, so i just wonder what triggered it... | 00:53 |
| lcukx41 | ahhh v strange | 00:53 |
| t_s_o | indeed, close to windows strange | 00:53 |
| t_s_o | in that the simple act of flipping sound output in the radio applet fixed it, while nothing else did | 00:54 |
| lcukx41 | heh @ windows strange | 00:54 |
| lcukx41 | linux isnt that different, often its easier to reboot than to diagnose :P | 00:54 |
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| t_s_o | maybe so | 00:55 |
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| t_s_o | especially ones dbus gets its connections in a twist | 00:55 |
| lcukx41 | depends on frustration level, i tend to follow things as far as i can then hit a wall of knowledge | 00:56 |
| * lcukx41 wouldnt understand dbus | 00:56 | |
| t_s_o | hehe | 00:56 |
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| t_s_o | the reason i said "windows strange" is because i got reminded about a app i used that suddenly had the habit of triggering some tray apps menu when it got started, with the app and the tray app being fully unrelated | 00:58 |
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| lcukx41 | t_s_o: ewww sounds odd indeed, but in windows world, that happens all the time :: norton av always bobs up at work when i try stuff | 01:00 |
| lcukx41 | it told me today it was a security risk to allow an inbound vnc connection | 01:00 |
| t_s_o | heh, its technically right ;) | 01:00 |
| lcukx41 | "intrusion detection: the user would like to maliciously show you their desktop" | 01:00 |
| t_s_o | ugh, now thats the wrong way to present it tho... | 01:01 |
| lcukx41 | they said vnc inbound was some master hack attack | 01:01 |
| lcukx41 | i explicitely gave out my ip and the remote user sent me their screen | 01:01 |
| * lcukx41 has done this now for years | 01:01 | |
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| lcukx41 | i can understand it blocking outbound vnc stuff, but inbound was a wtf | 01:02 |
| t_s_o | maybe there have been instances of blind remote controlls or something, using the inbound connection? | 01:03 |
| lcukx41 | whoosh, i told it to eff off anyway | 01:04 |
| * lcukx41 hates norton | 01:04 | |
| lcukx41 | i disabled ids completely whilst i sorted out my user, then made sure it was allowed | 01:04 |
| t_s_o | and these days using any kind of well known security package is a invite to have it disabled by the next trojan wave anyways... | 01:05 |
| lcukx41 | its the blind faith others have in it that worries me more | 01:05 |
| * lcukx41 would *prefer* secure by default | 01:05 | |
| lcukx41 | asking questions about why you need to be protected and queriing what is running on your machine | 01:06 |
| bef0rd | you should remove norton! | 01:06 |
| t_s_o | http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16591-twisted-radio-beams-could-untangle-the-airwaves.html <- this sounds like some kind of sci-fi thing | 01:06 |
| lcukx41 | bef0rd: company policy | 01:06 |
| bef0rd | evil :< | 01:06 |
| t_s_o | lcukx41: and then you have some kind of rootkit sneak past you and embed itself behind the os... | 01:07 |
| lcukx41 | :) there are many worse policies in the world | 01:07 |
| t_s_o | was there not some special file names that windows would not display in any listing? | 01:07 |
| lcukx41 | t_s_o: if you have nothing open nothing can slip past | 01:07 |
| t_s_o | lcukx41: good luck with that... | 01:07 |
| lcukx41 | t_s_o: yeah, the sony rootkit gave that option | 01:07 |
| lcukx41 | t_s_o: i said "prefer" | 01:07 |
| t_s_o | more like a utopian dream but then im a bit pesimistic about these things | 01:08 |
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| lcukx41 | do you run a virus checker on linux? | 01:08 |
| lcukx41 | on maemo? | 01:08 |
| t_s_o | there is always the old joke about encasing the computer in concrete and putting it at the bottom of the ocean | 01:08 |
| t_s_o | nope, but then im guessing that linux on arm will be such a obscure target for the time being that it will not be needed | 01:09 |
| lcukx41 | arm on x86 then? | 01:09 |
| lcukx41 | do you have alinux desktop | 01:09 |
| t_s_o | yep, and i have clamav here somewhere... | 01:09 |
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| thopiekar_n95 | Cu | 01:10 |
| lcukx41 | isnt that for mail stuff to remove windows viruses? | 01:10 |
| * lcukx41 might be wrong | 01:10 | |
| t_s_o | can be used to scan local files to, but no real time scan | 01:10 |
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| lcukx41 | so no "live" protection? | 01:11 |
| t_s_o | nope | 01:11 |
| lcukx41 | MY GOD MAN, THERE ARE VIRUSES OUT THERE!!! :P :D | 01:11 |
| t_s_o | tho most of my software downloads are source, not binary, and there is a firewall in my router... | 01:12 |
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| lcukx41 | source can still be dody | 01:12 |
| lcukx41 | dodgy | 01:12 |
| t_s_o | and the distro im using is somewhat minimal in what it starts up | 01:12 |
| t_s_o | true | 01:12 |
| lcukx41 | which returns to what i said up there ^ | 01:12 |
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| lcukx41 | anyway, im goin for a bit, head hurting and stomach churning | 01:13 |
| lcukx41 | catch ya later t_s_o | 01:13 |
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| t_s_o | whats the joke about a secure computer again, unplugged network and power, encased in concrete and put on the bottom of the ocean, patroled by heavily armed and well payed guards? | 01:13 |
| lcukx41 | sharks * | 01:13 |
| lcukx41 | with laser beams | 01:14 |
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| t_s_o | :) | 01:14 |
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| guaka | hi, I'm trying to cross compile schism tracker for maemo, but it kinda stops at "/usr/include/SDL/SDL_opengl.h:44:60: GL/gl.h: No such file or directory" | 01:15 |
| t_s_o | missing mesa? | 01:15 |
| guaka | inside my scratchbox apt-cache search mesa or opengl doesn't give my anything... are there any repos I can add to sources.list? | 01:16 |
| crashanddie | test | 01:17 |
| _user | the stuff under the maps directory on the internal memory card can be deleted, right? That is, it can be re-downloaded later, right? | 01:17 |
| crashanddie | guaka, check your library path | 01:19 |
| crashanddie | guaka, find /usr/include -name GL/gl.h | 01:20 |
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| crashanddie | guaka, also there's a very good reason no-one developped OpenGL libraries for Maemo: IT SUCKS | 01:20 |
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| guaka | _user, yeah, I'm not 100% sure but I think I've deleted that before, it will just create new one - just make a backup first | 01:21 |
| guaka | crashanddie, there's no gl.h in my /scratchbox ... I found this: http://unrealvoodoo.org/hiteck/blog/graphics/opengl-es-for-maemo/ but it's from 2007 | 01:22 |
| guaka | for bora | 01:22 |
| _user | I can't make a backup of it, as I've no place to put it; the dir is 1.7GiB large. | 01:22 |
| crashanddie | guaka, then you have your answer, only OpenGL ES exists, and that's pretty much shite. We don't have the drivers to access the PowerVR chip, so there's pretty much no OpenGL support | 01:23 |
| _user | Which is why I want to lose it | 01:23 |
| crashanddie | _user, yes, you can delete it without a problem | 01:23 |
| guaka | maybe there's a way to compile schism without opengl, I don't think it really needs it, it could do with just sdl I think | 01:24 |
| Stskeeps | oh friggen yes. a movie with alyson hannigan in it. | 01:24 |
| Stskeeps | sometimes it is good to be at a place with a TV. | 01:24 |
| _user | crashanddie, thanks | 01:25 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, movies of alyson hannigan are old hat, since buffy stopped shes been doing personal visits to peoples houses | 01:25 |
| _user | crashanddie, also: Is there a way to restore my n810 device to its factory defaults? | 01:26 |
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| * lcuk shwings @ alyson anyway | 01:26 | |
| crashanddie | _user, it's called "flashing", yes | 01:26 |
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| crashanddie | _user, though, the "Internal Memory Card" won't be set back to factory defaults | 01:26 |
| lcuk | disaster zone: i have no bread | 01:26 |
| crashanddie | _user, only the root partition is affected by flashes | 01:26 |
| _user | right | 01:26 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, who wouldn't suck her blood or stake her: http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/celebs/alysonhannigan/alyson_hannigan_9.jpg | 01:27 |
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| _user | Yeah , I gotchya. So if I mess things up good, which is a fair possibility, I can clean up the mess through flashing | 01:28 |
| _user | Rock on | 01:28 |
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| * lcuk doesnt suck blood, ill wait a week | 01:30 | |
| rzr | http://rzr.online.fr/q/now 1234567890day countdown started | 01:30 |
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| crashanddie | _user, yeah, historically, we had to flash in order to upgrade to new versions, though now we can get software only updates | 01:30 |
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| lcuk | brb food | 01:31 |
| jaem | happy unix new year!!!!! | 01:32 |
| jaem | 1234567890 | 01:32 |
| FireFox3 | 0o ?? | 01:32 |
| crashanddie | oh right, that's today, isn't it? | 01:32 |
| crashanddie | saw the story on slashdot this week | 01:32 |
| FireFox3 | unix new year? | 01:32 |
| crashanddie | yup, 4 minutes the unix timestamp hit 1234567890 | 01:33 |
| crashanddie | s/minutes/minutes ago/ | 01:33 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: yup, 4 minutes ago the unix timestamp hit 1234567890 | 01:33 |
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| MaceN800 | ugh | 01:49 |
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| MaceN800 | i feel like shit | 01:51 |
| MaceN800 | think i'm kind of sick | 01:51 |
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| Stskeeps | Apple recently told the U.S. Copyright Office that it believes iPhone jailbreaking is a violation of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act and infringes on its copyright, according to the Electronic Frontier Foundation | 02:59 |
| Stskeeps | well, aren't you happy for your tablets now? | 02:59 |
| ds3 | no I am not :P going from full battery to 0 battery in 2 minute makes one rather upset :/ | 03:01 |
| Stskeeps | mm, admittedly there are some cases where i wonder wtf happened, when it comes to battery too | 03:03 |
| Stskeeps | but it doesn't change my happiness about that i can do whatever hell i want to my tablet | 03:03 |
| tank-man | this news makes a big grin appear on my face | 03:03 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: hahaha | 03:03 |
| Macer | how is jailbreaking an infringment? :) | 03:04 |
| Macer | they don't re-engineer the phoe or like.. copy it | 03:04 |
| Macer | they just break it open | 03:04 |
| Macer | that's like someone putting new tires on a car being sued for copyright infringement | 03:05 |
| * Stskeeps hugs his tablet | 03:05 | |
| * nomis ominously notes that Macer apparently changes the tires on his car himself. | 03:08 | |
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| Stskeeps | if we are really going towards pervasive computing, tablets and displays in the home must be re-purposable. wouldn't you be pissed if your tablet were locked to a specific provider of apps? | 03:10 |
| Stskeeps | er, table, not tablet. | 03:10 |
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| benson[away] | Stskeeps: I would be, for either tablet or table. ;) | 03:14 |
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| Macer | heh | 03:14 |
| ds3 | that's why you don't take the bait | 03:15 |
| Macer | nomis: didn't know tire changing was that complicated | 03:15 |
| Macer | :) | 03:15 |
| Macer | anyays.. i'm out.. ater | 03:15 |
| ds3 | the iPhone is a POS | 03:15 |
| Stskeeps | ds3: i am not touching an iPhone personally | 03:15 |
| ds3 | Stskeeps: I can see one reason to go with an iPhone - the cap. touch screen | 03:17 |
| ds3 | other then that it has a crappy processor, POS OS, and .... | 03:18 |
| wazd | sure, aifone is a stupit goddamn piece of shit :) | 03:20 |
| wazd | Who cares bout crappiness of the processor if it does what it should do? | 03:21 |
| tank-man | if the iphone was free i'd take it, i like free drugs | 03:21 |
| tank-man | too | 03:21 |
| wazd | Palm Pilot had crappy cpu, so what | 03:21 |
| ds3 | some of us get tired of waiting on a pegged out CPU | 03:21 |
| wazd | is there any device where you don't need to wait? | 03:21 |
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| ds3 | being able to get processing power when needed and having a long battery life when the processing power is not needed is essential | 03:22 |
| ds3 | iphone fails. | 03:22 |
| wazd | Nokia 3210 had super low end cpu and it's a legend | 03:22 |
| wazd | And it did only one task | 03:23 |
| wazd | at a time) | 03:23 |
| wazd | And I repeat my question, is there any device on the market that you don't need to wait for? | 03:24 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: yeah, - it was immensely popular cos it got introduced in the same time as the huge wave of teenager cellphone use surged, it wasnt horribly expensive and it filled the need for sms & talk :P | 03:24 |
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| wazd | It's too easy to talk like "aw, this crap haz crap and crap, and so other crap, crap" | 03:25 |
| wazd | If it's a crap - then what's not crap | 03:26 |
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| wazd | You totally can dislike it, but you can't say that aifone is a crap, cause it isn't | 03:26 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: it became popular cause it became popular you mean :) | 03:28 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: how would anything can became popular if it not fits the tastes of majority?) | 03:28 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: mm | 03:30 |
| * Stskeeps is writing on his first blog post on Mer design choices | 03:30 | |
| * wazd is in the shelter :D | 03:31 | |
| wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx6lO0MJKuA <- that's fun) | 03:33 |
| b-man | lol | 03:34 |
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| b-man | great video :D | 03:36 |
| jaem | wazd: a webcomic I read has a spaceship with a computer powered by unused clock cycles stolen from the past... maybe that could help :P | 03:36 |
| jaem | and as for the "ifone", they're different from the "iPhone", primarily because most of their specs have a parenthetical "manufacturer claims" after them on DX | 03:37 |
| jaem | but they're cheap! | 03:37 |
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| ds3 | no, there are no perfect devices | 03:45 |
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| jaem | oh by the way... if anyone here heard me going on about the "issues" with my N810 the other day, that's all taken care of | 03:48 |
| jaem | the warrantied unit that was being held for ransom by UPS is being returned to Nokia, and Nokia Canada is sending me a new unit | 03:48 |
| jaem | yay | 03:48 |
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| hellwolf | is there any good pool game on maemo | 03:50 |
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| sandman | Would anyone possibly know why the internal memory card would say it only have 1.1GiB available, when if you run du on /media/mmc2 it only says 100MiB? | 04:04 |
| sandman | 1.8GiB - 100MiB != 1.1GiB, you know? | 04:05 |
| sandman | And I simply cannot figure out wtf is occupying the space | 04:05 |
| ds3 | uh | 04:05 |
| ds3 | du == list the space used | 04:05 |
| ds3 | df shows the amount free and used | 04:06 |
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| sandman | Yea | 04:07 |
| sandman | I know that | 04:07 |
| sandman | df shows that 700 MB is being used | 04:07 |
| sandman | du shows that 100 is being used | 04:08 |
| ds3 | sorry, misunderstood your q | 04:08 |
| sandman | There's a bunch of space completely missing from my internal memory card | 04:08 |
| ds3 | tried getting to mount/remount? i.e. pop open door and reclose it | 04:08 |
| sandman | ls -a doesn't show anything | 04:08 |
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| sandman | ds3: This is the built-in memory card | 04:08 |
| sandman | Can't take it out, afaik | 04:08 |
| ds3 | DOH | 04:08 |
| sandman | lol =) | 04:09 |
| ds3 | restart then | 04:09 |
| sandman | I did, but I'll do it again just for the heck of it | 04:09 |
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| ds3 | when one sees mmc, one automtically think removeable media ;) | 04:09 |
| sandman | Yeah | 04:09 |
| sandman | It makes sense | 04:09 |
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| sandman | Okay | 04:11 |
| sandman | still missing | 04:11 |
| ds3 | you just did du or something more specific like du -sk .? | 04:11 |
| sandman | Well, du -sk shows the same thing | 04:13 |
| sandman | I just did that now | 04:13 |
| ds3 | with or w/o the '.'? | 04:13 |
| ds3 | and are you root? | 04:13 |
| sandman | Without the . | 04:13 |
| sandman | I ran du -sk /media/mmc2 | 04:13 |
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| sandman | I take it I'm not going to find out | 04:17 |
| ds3 | other things I'd check is if it has partitions but what does df think it has free/available? | 04:18 |
| sandman | DF says: /dev/mmcblk0p1 1922972 904332 1018640 47% /media/mmc2 | 04:20 |
| sandman | first column is, of course, devnode. 2nd is 1k blocks, 3rd is used, 4th is available, 5 is % used | 04:20 |
| ds3 | df thinsk you have 1.9G total, ~900M used and roughly 1G free | 04:20 |
| sandman | Yeah | 04:21 |
| sandman | But there's only 100MiB worth of files on it | 04:21 |
| sandman | ls -a doesn't reveal a thing | 04:21 |
| sandman | du /media/mmc2 says 100MiB | 04:21 |
| sandman | There's 800M that supposedly being used, but isn't | 04:21 |
| ds3 | this is curious | 04:21 |
| ds3 | what fs is this? ext3? | 04:22 |
| sandman | vfat | 04:22 |
| ds3 | wonder if it is time to do a fsck on it | 04:22 |
| sandman | /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc2 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,noatime,nodiratime,uid=29999,fmask=0133,dmask=0000,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8) | 04:23 |
| sandman | Alright. But I don't have a fsck binary | 04:23 |
| ds3 | fsck/chkdsk is what I'd do next | 04:24 |
| ds3 | otherwise, I donno what to account for that lost space | 04:24 |
| sandman | I suppose I need to get my hands on a root terminal | 04:25 |
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| ds3 | Oh you are non root | 04:25 |
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| sandman | Is rootsh a good one to use? | 04:26 |
| ds3 | no idea, I enable it through flasher | 04:26 |
| bef0rd | yes rootsh | 04:27 |
| bef0rd | is recommended | 04:27 |
| bef0rd | ~root | 04:27 |
| infobot | [root] not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. | 04:27 |
| bef0rd | uhm | 04:27 |
| bef0rd | ~rootsh | 04:27 |
| infobot | i guess rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ | 04:27 |
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| sandman | Can I fsck a vfat while its in use? | 04:29 |
| bef0rd | hmm Windows allows to 'scandisk' it | 04:30 |
| bef0rd | why don't you unmount it first? | 04:30 |
| sandman | Because I'm using it for swap | 04:31 |
| sandman | And it's the internal one | 04:31 |
| bef0rd | oh, disable swap | 04:31 |
| bef0rd | did you format the internal mmc when your n810 arrived? | 04:31 |
| bef0rd | some n810 had an error on the partition table | 04:32 |
| sandman | No, I didn't | 04:32 |
| bef0rd | there was a bug about it at bugzilla, I think its fixed now .. | 04:32 |
| bef0rd | let me search, I had to do it with mine | 04:32 |
| sandman | Can't umount /media/mmc2 | 04:33 |
| sandman | It's in use | 04:33 |
| sandman | I disabled the swap, too | 04:33 |
| MaceN800 | blah | 04:34 |
| MaceN800 | damn artigo isn't going to get here til thursday.. that's what i get for paying for ups ground | 04:35 |
| MaceN800 | $35 for a 4lb box | 04:35 |
| MaceN800 | what the hell is the world coming to? :) | 04:35 |
| MaceN800 | i mean cmon ups.. gas prices are down | 04:36 |
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| sandman | arg | 04:37 |
| sandman | can't format the memory card from file manager, either | 04:38 |
| sandman | says it's in use | 04:38 |
| bef0rd | lsof? | 04:40 |
| bef0rd | not sure if its included | 04:40 |
| ds3 | or "fuser -m /media/mmc2" | 04:40 |
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| sandman | fuser -m /media/mmc2 returns nothing | 04:45 |
| sandman | The last nokia I bought came with a broken touch screen | 04:45 |
| sandman | So I had to return it. That was fun. | 04:46 |
| sandman | Now this one apparently has a broken internal memory card. | 04:46 |
| sandman | Great. I wonder how many times I have to order this thing in order to get a functional one | 04:46 |
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| ds3 | fewer then the number of units ever produced? :D | 04:48 |
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| sandman | So basically this thing is broken. Right? | 04:49 |
| ds3 | not enough info to say conclusively | 04:49 |
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| bef0rd | sandman, if its just a partition table problem, repartitioning it will fixi t | 04:54 |
| bef0rd | sandman, check this http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18043 | 04:54 |
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| Xamusk | is the problem with the update messing with hardware keys a known one? | 05:29 |
| Xamusk | it got my N800 to the point I'm not able to reflash it anymore | 05:29 |
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| johnx | what problem with hardware keys? | 05:32 |
| Proteous | the one where you drop your nokia in the toilet 4 times and the hardware keys stop working | 05:33 |
| Proteous | You'd think that just washing it off with bleach would fix it | 05:33 |
| Proteous | but it doesn't | 05:33 |
| blackest_mamba | What is a fair price for an N800 | 05:33 |
| Proteous | $5.00 | 05:34 |
| Proteous | but only if you are selling it to me | 05:34 |
| FireFox3 | lol | 05:34 |
| blackest_mamba | Sure, I'll send it to you, then you send me the check. No problem | 05:34 |
| blackest_mamba | What is your address? | 05:34 |
| Xamusk | my N800's hardware keys were messed up after the last upgrade | 05:34 |
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| Proteous | what does "messed up" mean? | 05:35 |
| Proteous | keys poped off? | 05:35 |
| Proteous | s/poped/popped/ | 05:35 |
| infobot | Proteous meant: keys popped off? | 05:35 |
| Xamusk | no, some aren't working and some are working as if they were another key | 05:36 |
| Xamusk | and sound sometimes doesn't work too | 05:36 |
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| dphillip314 | SO YOU CAN'T HOLD DOWN THE KEY THAT'S NEEDED TO REFLASH? | 05:37 |
| johnx | did you run out of space? | 05:37 |
| Xamusk | I have to take the battery out of it to turn off, because the power button isn't working and using halt from the terminal makes the same as reboot | 05:37 |
| dphillip314 | sorry caps lock | 05:37 |
| Xamusk | dphillip314, yes, that too | 05:37 |
| dphillip314 | yikes | 05:37 |
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| dphillip314 | if it was caused by a bad flash but the power button and swap button don't work, it would be tough to reflash | 05:38 |
| Xamusk | it wasn't caused by a reflash | 05:39 |
| b-man | Xamusk: sounds like a cable attaching the keys to the logic board on your n800 might have gotten disconnected or damaged - but that's just a guess | 05:39 |
| dphillip314 | ok | 05:39 |
| Xamusk | the system is working mostly fine (with touchscreen) | 05:39 |
| Xamusk | b-man, yeah, I'm starting to consider opening it up | 05:40 |
| jaem | sandman: accessing the MMC can be finnicky sometimes - it often remounts itself right away | 05:40 |
| jaem | I wouldn't assume it's broken yet | 05:40 |
| b-man | Xamusk: just be careful ;) | 05:41 |
| Xamusk | well, I don't see many alternatives now | 05:41 |
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| b-man | have you poped off the faceplate before? | 05:41 |
| Xamusk | no | 05:42 |
| * jaem Googles boardshots | 05:42 | |
| Xamusk | but I have a video of someone disassembling it... don't remember where it came from though | 05:42 |
| jaem | ...oh Google.... I did /not/ mean "boardshoRts" | 05:42 |
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| b-man | Xamusk: http://tabletblog.com/2007/01/nokia-n800-dissection-and-reassembly.html | 05:44 |
| Xamusk | damn! I almost got a flash working :( | 05:45 |
| dphillip314 | i almost got maemo sdk working | 05:46 |
| dphillip314 | un 7 zipping vmware image | 05:46 |
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| Xamusk | :(((((( | 05:52 |
| Xamusk | I managed to do a reflash, but the buttons are still bad | 05:52 |
| b-man | 0_o | 05:52 |
| luke-jr | can I host VPS off my N810? :D | 05:52 |
| rm_you | irc said i had like 8 highlighted messages from GAN800 | 05:52 |
| Xamusk | I guess that's a hardware problem then | 05:52 |
| rm_you | but i don't see them | 05:52 |
| rm_you | ah well | 05:52 |
| b-man | Xamusk: :( | 05:53 |
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| dphillip314 | my laptop doesn't like the xorg.conf in the maemo sdk vmware image ... oh well, time to mess with it | 05:55 |
| tonyyarusso | In the Control Panel > About screen I have Version: 5.2008.43.7. Is this the most recent? | 05:58 |
| dphillip314 | yes | 05:58 |
| dphillip314 | just downloaded the same | 05:58 |
| tonyyarusso | excellent | 05:59 |
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| skibur1 | any chess apps for n800? | 06:58 |
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| fireun | skibur1: chesspark! (: | 06:59 |
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| skibur1 | where is it? maemo.org? | 07:00 |
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| fireun | actually, I dont know if it works, its browser based | 07:01 |
| fireun | chesspark.com | 07:01 |
| fireun | but if you wanna play chess, its a great place to go | 07:01 |
| skibur1 | o ok. thanks | 07:02 |
| Macer | wow | 07:04 |
| Macer | my shuttle k45 :) the picoPSU... is great compared to the stock psu | 07:04 |
| Macer | pretty happy i bought the atx extension cable because otherwise it wouldn't have reached heh | 07:04 |
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| jrayhawk_ | I've noticed Hildon has stopped attempting to manage normal X11 windows; they can't be fullscreened or selected in the application switching dialogues. Is there a way to make that happen? Some sort of application wrapper. | 08:55 |
| jrayhawk_ | s/.$/?/ | 08:58 |
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| jrayhawk_ | Oh, supposedly powerlaunch will do what I want. | 09:10 |
| Macer | awesome | 09:15 |
| Macer | found a usb wifi adapter for my artigo :) | 09:15 |
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| tonyyarusso | is extras the only repo to add? | 09:17 |
| tonyyarusso | I saw some apps online that aren't showing in the app browser, and I'm not sure why. | 09:18 |
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| Addison | Greetings all! :) | 09:31 |
| Meiz_mer | hi Addison :) | 09:31 |
| Addison | Hey! How are ya Meiz? | 09:31 |
| Addison | Benson! You there buddy? | 09:32 |
| Meiz_mer | fine, how are you? | 09:32 |
| Addison | Not sure Meiz, want to sit down and talk about it? *lol* | 09:32 |
| Meiz_mer | ;P | 09:32 |
| Addison | So, anything exciting going on tonight there Meiz? | 09:33 |
| Meiz_mer | i am trying to wake up | 09:34 |
| Meiz_mer | nothing special | 09:34 |
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| Addison | So anyone left here that's still conscious? | 09:51 |
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| Addison | Hey, I think I realized why no one seemed to respond earlier. My internet connection crapped on me. | 10:05 |
| Addison | So did anyone speak up or is this chat room dead for the night? | 10:06 |
| tonyyarusso | Addison: pretty dead | 10:07 |
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| tonyyarusso | where would I get kernel-diablo-modules-* ? | 10:13 |
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| gnuton | Hi there | 10:42 |
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| StsN802 | morning | 10:53 |
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| Stskeeps | morning qwerty12 | 11:01 |
| qwerty12 | hey Stskeeps | 11:01 |
| * Stskeeps ponders what to do to mer before release tomorrow | 11:04 | |
| qwerty12 | party? :) | 11:05 |
| t_s_o | having a bit of fun with caps, qwerty12? ;) | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | mm, not a bad idea | 11:05 |
| qwerty12 | t_s_o, hum? :) | 11:06 |
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| t_s_o | your join message looked like this: has joined #maEMO | 11:08 |
| qwerty12 | ah :P | 11:08 |
| thopiekar | morning | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | t_s_o: yeah.. freenode is silly like that | 11:09 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, nah, it's set on my side :P | 11:09 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: yeah, i am just wondered why they don't use chptr->chname and instead using the user given parameter.. | 11:11 |
| qwerty12 | ah :). The good thing is that if I accidentally change the topic, it doesn't affect the rest of you :) | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:12 |
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| Stskeeps | wb meiz | 11:22 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: morning | 11:23 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i just uploaded Xmodmap for nordic-n810:s | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if it is simply a matter of xkb differences | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: are there different xkb layouts for different n810 kbd models? | 11:26 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, does the session bus in dbus work? | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: it should, we launch it | 11:27 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: how about having xmodmap files for many languages in usr/share/n810-slideout-kbd/ and then something to change between them | 11:27 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, getting: http://pastebin.com/d53ee6aa9 | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: mm, maybe, we need to find a better solution at least | 11:28 |
| qwerty12 | oh wait, wrong message, I had system in there | 11:28 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 11:28 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, real message: http://pastebin.com/d687644b5 | 11:28 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | lemme see | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i have a dbus -session at least | 11:30 |
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| Stskeeps | on x86 | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 11:32 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I'm on x86 and I don't: http://pastebin.com/d374359bf :/ | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | might be fixed in 0.8 then, i will give you a vmdk later i guess | 11:32 |
| qwerty12 | ta | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | or see if you have any waiting updates | 11:32 |
| qwerty12 | yeah, just ran dbus-daemon --session manually and I'm still getting the same message. so I'm heading for the dist-upgrade | 11:34 |
| * Stskeeps tries to get sound on x86 | 11:37 | |
| udovdh | hello | 11:37 |
| udovdh | does the os2008 wifi driver for n810 support packet injection? | 11:37 |
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| Stskeeps | don't think so | 11:38 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, to keep my sanity, I may make it a personal mission to get open-vm-tools working in x86 :)( | 11:38 |
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| Stskeeps | open-vm-tools? | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | ah, vmware tools | 11:42 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, after dist-upgrading, still not working. I'll add it in anyway for when it does work. | 11:44 |
| qwerty12 | the command that is | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | verify start-hildon looks ok | 11:44 |
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| qwerty12 | In what way? | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | well that it actually does launch dbus-session --daemon | 11:45 |
| qwerty12 | nay, just dbus-launch --exit-with-session | 11:45 |
| qwerty12 | and that's exported as a variable | 11:46 |
| wazd | hello everybody) | 11:46 |
| qwerty12 | hi wazd | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: hmm | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: that doesn't make a dbus session? | 11:46 |
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| qwerty12 | Not on this system :). according to that command, "DBUS_SESSION_BUS_PID=3191" so I run ps 3191 and get nothing back | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | what does your set say? | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | try replacing it with if test -z "$DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS" ; then ## if not found, launch a new one eval 'dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session' echo "D-Bus per-session daemon address is: $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS" | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | er | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | http://linux.die.net/man/1/dbus-launch | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | the example in here, replace start-hildons dbus-launch with that | 11:48 |
| qwerty12 | done, rebooting | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | while it does, happen to know what adds the maemo extras to HAM in maemo? | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | the disabled one | 11:50 |
| qwerty12 | maemo-extras-domain in catalogue repo. Wouldn't be hard for me to make a "open" package if you want it | 11:50 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, it would be nice | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | just so people can start seeing what the seams are | 11:51 |
| lcuk | if i setup an sshfs from my normal ubuntu desktop and go into the remote liqbase folder from the context of ubuntu, can i just build the package using normal ubuntu tools, or do i need scratchbox for that? | 11:51 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, no, I lied, it's nokia-repository. maemo-extras-domain contains the gpg keys. I can remake nokia-repository with just extras? | 11:53 |
| lcuk | or is this something mer has by default.. :D | 11:53 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, think it'll work but remember that you'll be building for x86 if you do so | 11:54 |
| lcuk | crap! thats the reason why i cant do that | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: yeah, i guess so (extras) | 11:55 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, actually, I just remembered, it'll also build against the ubuntu libraries which are much newer than the tablet's... a sbox or building it on device is your best bet | 11:55 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, k | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i still insist you should set up a paypal donation box or something :P | 11:56 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 11:56 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, i build on device normally, but dpkg-buildpackage is a brainf*ck in normal maemo | 11:56 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: one of my main reasons why i wanted to make mer :P | 11:56 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, would my use case work in mer | 11:56 |
| lcuk | :D | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | yes, dpkg-buildpackage is possible on device | 11:56 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | but you would build for mer not maemo | 11:57 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12, | 12:01 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, nope, dbus session bus still not launching. I'll add the command that displays the theme changed message in the hope it will work or already works for everyone else but me :) | 12:01 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, yes? :) | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: mm, check .xsession-errors | 12:01 |
| lcuk | any chance you are passing through oldham in the next few days with a nokia approved n800 usb lead :D | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: don't you have some digital camera? | 12:02 |
| lcuk | yeah why? | 12:02 |
| * lcuk has 2 | 12:02 | |
| Stskeeps | look at the cable, it is often similar to the n800 one | 12:02 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, the likely-o-meter is registering 0 :P | 12:02 |
| lcuk | lol | 12:02 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, all custom cables, ive got 1 usb cable which *works* with n800, i can see data and copy stuff from desktop to n800 when its all booted to desktop | 12:03 |
| lcuk | but nothing ever detects when its in flash mode | 12:03 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, "process 3512: arguments to dbus_message_new_method_call() were incorrect, assertion "destination == NULL || _dbus_check_is_valid_bus_name (destination)" failed in file dbus-message.c line 1073." - only dbus thing | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: damnit | 12:03 |
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| * lcuk makes liqcalendar windowed in normal maemo desktop | 12:04 | |
| qwerty12 | ~lart perl | 12:07 |
| * infobot does a little 'dpkg -P perl' action | 12:07 | |
| * Stskeeps generates a snap6 for consumption laer | 12:12 | |
| Stskeeps | vmdk, n800 images in 2 hours i hope | 12:12 |
| thopiekar | *** For these, who are getting crazy when using scratchbox1 because there are system modification needed.. sb_fix is your friend ;) https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=856&release_id=2435 .. greetings *** | 12:15 |
| thopiekar | s/modification/modifications | 12:15 |
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| Stskeeps | lo meiz | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: will have an image for you to attempt later if its ok | 12:19 |
| Meiz_mer | yep | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | need to verify the n810 fix | 12:19 |
| Meiz_mer | k | 12:20 |
| udovdh | should apt-get work out of the box? | 12:26 |
| udovdh | or does it need configuring to make it go? | 12:27 |
| qwerty12 | if you have root access, then yes | 12:27 |
| udovdh | E: Couldn't find package wirelesstools | 12:27 |
| udovdh | is what an apt-get install gives | 12:27 |
| udovdh | I can reach the internet OK | 12:27 |
| udovdh | is the packagename wrong? | 12:28 |
| qwerty12 | Firstly, it's wireless-tools & http://maemo.org/development/tools/ | 12:28 |
| udovdh | ah... | 12:28 |
| thopiekar | qwerty12: but there is a package called wirelesstools, too.. | 12:28 |
| udovdh | wireles-tools gives similar error | 12:28 |
| thopiekar | ... usually when using all repos from gronmayer.. | 12:29 |
| thopiekar | or how ever it is called | 12:29 |
| udovdh | sources.list is 0 bytes | 12:29 |
| qwerty12 | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 12:30 |
| thopiekar | use | 12:31 |
| thopiekar | -$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 12:31 |
| thopiekar | for a quick view... | 12:31 |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 12:31 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, can you delete hildon-theme-selector? I've got a version in which a notification is displayed and osso-pick-theme is only ran once | 12:33 |
| thopiekar | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=264439#post264439 | 12:35 |
| thopiekar | looks like spam, isn't it ^^ | 12:35 |
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| udovdh | hmmm | 12:35 |
| udovdh | using the Installation info from http://maemo.org/development/tools/#Wireless%20Tools | 12:35 |
| udovdh | does not make apt-get work | 12:36 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: eating, but yes | 12:38 |
| udovdh | that repositry is down? | 12:38 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, ah, lol, no rush :) | 12:38 |
| udovdh | typeo... | 12:39 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, any objections to me marking "Add control panel applet for theme switching" as done? | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: no objections whatesoever | 12:44 |
| qwerty12 | cool | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: removed, but next time use dch -i -m :P | 12:46 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, will try and remember that :) | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | its a bitch to remove all those 5 packages :P | 12:47 |
| qwerty12 | lol :P | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-huh.png | 12:50 |
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| Stskeeps | i plugged in my sony ericsson phone using usb to mer-x86 on my mertop | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | i think it would have similar results on tablets | 12:51 |
| qwerty12 | wicked! My db2012 model doesn't support networking over usb :) | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | k610i here | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i am charging my cell and i was surprised to see network manager connected | 12:52 |
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| qwerty12 | Yeah, W810, with it's old db2012 platform compared to k610 and it's db2020 platform :) | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | hm, thought w810 was newer than k610i | 12:53 |
| * thopiekar thought about an frontend for mer based on enlightenment.. | 12:53 | |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: if you can write it, sure :P | 12:53 |
| jaem | Mer is looking good :D | 12:53 |
| thopiekar | indeed just a app in front of the window manager of mer... | 12:54 |
| thopiekar | ;) | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:55 |
| thopiekar | the only thing that make me crazy is that there are no enlightenment blindings for python on ubuntu.. packages like python-ecore, etc -.-" | 12:55 |
| qwerty12 | They were done by indt for the maemo platform specially iirc | 12:56 |
| udovdh | which repository has aircrack or aircrak-ng for n810? | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | OSS or CS? | 12:56 |
| thopiekar | hmm is it possible to repack them for ubuntu? | 12:56 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, open source | 12:56 |
| thopiekar | udovdh: maemo-hackers | 12:56 |
| thopiekar | i think | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: be aware python extensions are a nightmare when not compiled natively though | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | on mer | 12:57 |
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| Meiz_n810 | http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/MerOnN810#5302605158197889282 | 12:57 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: that and a midori shot would be good hype for 0.8 tomorrow :> | 12:58 |
| thopiekar | the compatibility of the app wouldn't be my problem.. I would make it yours when it will work on my pc even maemo^^ | 12:58 |
| thopiekar | what the hell.. there is a battery applet?! | 12:59 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: new midori crashes a lot | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yeah but still cool | 12:59 |
| thopiekar | I've never seen it before :) | 12:59 |
| qwerty12 | thopiekar, yeah, I packaged 412b's advanced power but it requires closed hald bme addon | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: yes, for the select few of us knowing the magic to grab some nokia stuff :P | 12:59 |
| thopiekar | what about the battery-status script.. is it working with hald, too? | 13:00 |
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| udovdh | thopiekar, aircrack does not yield a hit there | 13:00 |
| thopiekar | hmm | 13:00 |
| qwerty12 | udovdh, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=190941 | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: the guy with midori (i think) made it using mer maybe :P | 13:01 |
| thopiekar | MUlliNER.ORG Maemo Software (Maemo 4.x) http://www.mulliner.org/nokia770/repository/ chinook | free | 13:01 |
| thopiekar | aircrack-ng (v. 0.9.1-1) | 13:01 |
| thopiekar | aircrack-ptw (v. 1.0.0-1) | 13:01 |
| Meiz_n810 | hehe | 13:01 |
| udovdh | qwerty12, thanks | 13:03 |
| thopiekar | is there anywhere a list of all enlightenment-python packages? | 13:03 |
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| thopiekar | are these packages all? http://pastebin.com/d1806b0f9 | 13:06 |
| qwerty12 | Meiz_n810, do you happen to have a lot of themes installed in Mer? :) | 13:06 |
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| Meiz_n810 | qwerty12: nope | 13:09 |
| Meiz_n810 | i think i have liberty and plankton | 13:09 |
| qwerty12 | if I may ask, could you 'apt-get install hildon-theme-selector' and see if switching themes works well for you please? | 13:10 |
| * thopiekar is thinking about hateing indt... http://pastebin.com/d159c824 | 13:10 | |
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| thopiekar | where can I get the sources then? | 13:11 |
| Meiz_n810 | qwerty12: yes i have tested it, it works fine | 13:11 |
| qwerty12 | Haha, wicked, thanks | 13:11 |
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| * thopiekar is wondering why it is so difficult to have enlightening blindings on ubuntu | 13:17 | |
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| udovdh | qwerty12, great link you pasted there! | 13:24 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 13:25 |
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| papagaj | hi | 13:29 |
| thopiekar | hi | 13:29 |
| papagaj | is there a way of getting sources for maemo-explicit? | 13:29 |
| qwerty12 | maemo-explicit is the closed stuff so unlikely | 13:30 |
| thopiekar | have you tried apt-get source inside sb1? | 13:30 |
| papagaj | hm, I see | 13:30 |
| papagaj | thank you | 13:30 |
| thopiekar | what are the contents of this package? | 13:31 |
| papagaj | thopiekar: I tried that but it says it cannot find the package | 13:31 |
| papagaj | they are the osso-utilities | 13:31 |
| papagaj | like osso-addressbook and things like that | 13:31 |
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| thopiekar | papagaj: hmm I tried apt-get source to get python2.5-ecore and it says, too that there are no sources.. but when searching in the repo with a browser I find it under: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/source/p/ ... | 13:33 |
| * thopiekar hates sometimes apt... | 13:33 | |
| jaem | personally, my favorite is pacman, from Arch | 13:33 |
| t_s_o | hmm, would be interesting if enscribi could be used in mer ones it get support for a sertain non-asian alphabet | 13:33 |
| papagaj | so maybe the sources are there after all, just apt-get fails to find them? | 13:34 |
| thopiekar | possible.. I'm not sure... | 13:35 |
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| practisevoodoo_ | im trying to send a file over bluetooth using python from my n180 | 13:36 |
| practisevoodoo_ | i find anything that will send it so i figure ill just drop down to the comamnd line and run a seperate program | 13:36 |
| papagaj | well thanks thopiekar, I'll try browsing online then | 13:37 |
| practisevoodoo_ | anyone know if you can send a file over bluetooth from the command line in maemo | 13:37 |
| thopiekar | practisevoodoo_: pybluez | 13:37 |
| thopiekar | aka python-bluez | 13:37 |
| thopiekar | papagaj: ok :) | 13:37 |
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| practisevoodoo_ | thanks thopiekar but I had already tried that and couldnt get it to install | 13:38 |
| thopiekar | on the device? | 13:38 |
| practisevoodoo_ | yes | 13:38 |
| practisevoodoo_ | says that gcc is missing | 13:38 |
| thopiekar | huch.. I never heard about that.. | 13:39 |
| thopiekar | whats your device and os? | 13:39 |
| practisevoodoo_ | n810 and .... | 13:39 |
| practisevoodoo_ | os2008 | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if canola is in the i386 extras.. | 13:41 |
| thopiekar | hmm I can't try to install it myself because my n800 is at a repair shop near me, but do you thought about trying to install by apt-get? or have you ever installed silly programs that maybe breaked some dependences? | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | oh. true, canola is python | 13:42 |
| practisevoodoo_ | im trying apt-get atm but need to find the full package name first | 13:43 |
| thopiekar | aahh or have you added some fremantle ,chinook or older repos | 13:43 |
| practisevoodoo_ | lemme check | 13:43 |
| thopiekar | k | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i wonder if canola runs on x86.. | 13:43 |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: why? | 13:43 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, they ported it to x86 | 13:43 |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: and its going 100% opensource | 13:44 |
| practisevoodoo_ | i ahve got chinook repos added but they are disabled | 13:45 |
| thopiekar | ok refresh and try again.. | 13:45 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, my "extras-repository" work. Want me to make it add the gpg key for extras? | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: yes, sure | 13:45 |
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| qwerty12 | s/repository"/repository" package/ | 13:45 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: Stskeeps, my "extras-repository" package work. Want me to make it add the gpg key for extras? | 13:45 |
| qwerty12 | ok | 13:45 |
| practisevoodoo_ | still cant find gcc | 13:46 |
| thopiekar | hmm | 13:46 |
| practisevoodoo_ | ah got it | 13:47 |
| thopiekar | how? | 13:47 |
| practisevoodoo_ | i've finally been able to connect to the gronmayer site | 13:47 |
| * practisevoodoo_ has flaky net | 13:48 | |
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| Stskeeps | thopiekar: you should grab a Mer VMDK and try to port some of the efl packages i guess | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | just grab source package and see how far you get | 13:48 |
| practisevoodoo_ | thanks | 13:48 |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: porting? I love it^^ | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: if it works for x86 it quite likely works for armel too so | 13:49 |
| thopiekar | ok I will try it.. | 13:52 |
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| Meiz_mer | lcuk: alive? | 13:58 |
| lcuk | yeah | 13:58 |
| Meiz_mer | i'll pastebin you error i get with liqbase in Mer, ok? | 13:59 |
| practisevoodoo_ | thopiekar, i dont think pybluez can send files | 14:00 |
| lcuk | ok | 14:00 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, building extras-repository - it's working perfectly | 14:00 |
| Meiz_mer | lcuk: http://pastebin.com/m80933d4 | 14:00 |
| lcuk | Meiz_mer, is this from package or source? cos i updated the svn last night with the latest liqbase classic source which is buildable on x86 as well | 14:01 |
| lcuk | and with gcc4 | 14:01 |
| Meiz_mer | i installed it about an hour ago from extras | 14:01 |
| lcuk | no xsp library | 14:01 |
| lcuk | the source from the repo is buildable without it | 14:01 |
| thopiekar | practisevoodoo_: it can you have to make it... | 14:02 |
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| thopiekar | ^^ | 14:02 |
| Meiz_mer | k | 14:02 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, are you busy? | 14:02 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, nope | 14:02 |
| lcuk | fancy having a go at seeing if liqbase can be sent to mer? | 14:02 |
| qwerty12 | sure | 14:02 |
| lcuk | based on what ive just said i think it should just build directly | 14:02 |
| lcuk | :D excellent | 14:03 |
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| lcuk | tho i bet the package will need some extras mmm, we shall see if it doesnt build ill get onto it in the next couple of days | 14:04 |
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| thopiekar | practisevoodoo_: in chapter 2 should be useful examples.. http://www.btessentials.com/examples/examples.html | 14:05 |
| thopiekar | practisevoodoo_: aaah here is a snippet... http://snippets.dzone.com/tag/bluetooth/2 | 14:07 |
| thopiekar | should work.. | 14:07 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, Meiz_mer, built fine, wanna test: http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/liqbase_0.1.5_armel.deb | 14:07 |
| lcuk | o_O | 14:07 |
| lcuk | mmm should be 0.1.6, thats me rushing cos i do build numbers later | 14:08 |
| thopiekar | practisevoodoo_: forget about the snippet,,, it's for pyS60.. | 14:09 |
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| practisevoodoo_ | i think i might be able to do it at the socket level | 14:11 |
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| thopiekar | practisevoodoo_: [1] http://org.csail.mit.edu/pybluez/ [2] http://triq.net/obexftp.html [3] http://dev.zuckschwerdt.org/openobex/ [4] http://www.irda.org/ | 14:13 |
| thopiekar | for your researching :) | 14:14 |
| practisevoodoo_ | thanks, ill post back if i ever get this going | 14:14 |
| * Meiz_mer is testing liqbase | 14:15 | |
| Meiz_mer | qwerty12: dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: No such file or directory | 14:16 |
| * qwerty12_N800 blames lcuk's packaging *cough* | 14:16 | |
| lcuk | lack of | 14:17 |
| lcuk | ive changed a few files since last release :$ and thats why i was asking this morning about dpkg - i wanted to fix it up | 14:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Try forcing it, I don't think it running the postinst is a rquirement | 14:17 |
| lcuk | i incorrectly thought it would work :$ | 14:17 |
| Meiz_mer | ok | 14:17 |
| thopiekar | hmm a member of the n800.de is asking me where he can find his usb-stick when using debian chroot... he can't find it under /media/*stick*... | 14:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | thopiekar: introduce him to mount --bind ;) | 14:18 |
| thopiekar | inside chroot or maemo? | 14:19 |
| * thopiekar never used debain-chroot... | 14:19 | |
| lcuk | Meiz_mer, ill try to get the package sorted this afternoon | 14:19 |
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| Meiz_mer | lcuk: ok | 14:19 |
| lcuk | what do i need in ubuntu to setup mer scratchbox? | 14:19 |
| lcuk | or equiv | 14:20 |
| Meiz_mer | maybe it's in mer wiki | 14:20 |
| lcuk | prob is lol, ill look in a bit | 14:20 |
| * lcuk puts head back in code | 14:20 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: you can also do it on device in a mer chroot | 14:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It's how i've been building my mer stuff when afk | 14:21 |
| lcuk | not enough space on mmc i would imagine | 14:21 |
| thopiekar | lcuk: or use esdk_installer and uncomment mer() in the python script.. it will install mer for you :) | 14:21 |
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| thopiekar | hmm I have debain (etch) in vbox and want to have libecore, which is in "experimental" repo, in apt ... did i have to upgrade my distri? or just adding a repo? | 14:43 |
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| johnx | midori in 64MB of RAM, verdict: somewhat usable | 14:56 |
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| t_s_o | heh, i may be developing a issue with my shoulder muscle, thanks to how im holding the tablet while in bed... | 15:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the tablet will be the downfall of my wrists :) | 15:01 |
| johnx | huh...strangely I never really developed any computer related injuries | 15:01 |
| johnx | even carrying around 100lb+ monitors... | 15:02 |
| t_s_o | ye gods... | 15:03 |
| johnx | yes? | 15:03 |
| t_s_o | what kind of monitors was that?! | 15:04 |
| StsN801 | i've cut myself on cabinets a lot | 15:04 |
| johnx | 21" CRT | 15:04 |
| johnx | from circa 1989 | 15:04 |
| johnx | took 3 BNC inputs, sync-on-green | 15:04 |
| johnx | the first test of my sanity was writing a modeline for it... | 15:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ouch, thank god for lcd's :) | 15:05 |
| johnx | StsN801, aaah, cabinets and the wonderful "$20 special" computer cases I was fond of in my youth :) | 15:06 |
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| t_s_o | heh, i think i have had more then one injury trying to get the cover of those computer cases that had the whole thing a single unit... | 15:07 |
| t_s_o | with a framework of sharp iron underneath... | 15:07 |
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| johnx | it was always the knife-thin steel sheets that got me... | 15:08 |
| t_s_o | kinda happy with what i have right now, altho it looks like some kids toy... | 15:08 |
| johnx | I finally got a decent case though: it was an atx mini-tower sturdy enough to sit on :) in fact that was exactly what I did with it when I took it to LAN parties | 15:09 |
| t_s_o | one thumbscrew and some pring releases to get the side panel off, drives, addons and everything else attached with quick releases. i think the motherboard is a one screw deal to, with the rest being hooks | 15:09 |
| johnx | sadly it was too hugenormous and now my micro-atx case is decidely non-sittable | 15:10 |
| t_s_o | im trying to find a ok micro-atx, but the only things in norway are lan-party style with windows and blue led fans... | 15:10 |
| johnx | that's the only thing anyone sells anymore :/ | 15:11 |
| johnx | I always liked inwin though | 15:11 |
| t_s_o | that or laptops | 15:11 |
| johnx | dunno what they've been doing now though | 15:11 |
| t_s_o | or maybe the odd barebones | 15:11 |
| dphil314 | can't sit on my laptop | 15:11 |
| dphil314 | my mini at went outt of style when atx came out | 15:12 |
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| * johnx wants to rebuy his inwin a500 | 15:13 | |
| dphil314 | so i've been trying to get maemo sdk installed using every method - ubuntu, debian stable, vmware images. nothing is working yet. | 15:14 |
| johnx | ubuntu intrepid? | 15:14 |
| dphil314 | scratchbox installs ok but sdk fails to fetch all the deb's | 15:14 |
| dphil314 | hardy | 15:15 |
| johnx | ah | 15:15 |
| dphil314 | not brave enough for intrepid yet | 15:15 |
| johnx | which ones is it having problems with, what error do you get and what country are you downloading in? | 15:15 |
| dphil314 | figured is it was an ubuntu issue, debian stable would be ok but the same fetch fails | 15:15 |
| dphil314 | failed to fetch libsamba, in the US | 15:16 |
| dphil314 | connection reset | 15:16 |
| dphil314 | every time at the same point | 15:16 |
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| johnx | there are problems from time to time downloading in some countries (downloading in Iran and China has been spotty from time to time) | 15:16 |
| johnx | and what's the error? | 15:16 |
| johnx | 404, 302. 500? | 15:16 |
| dphil314 | error 100 | 15:16 |
| johnx | do you have a log? | 15:17 |
| dphil314 | no, i'm getting ready to try again | 15:17 |
| dphil314 | ideally i'd have it installed in gentoo amd64 but for now using virtualbox to install 32 bit ubuntu | 15:18 |
| dphil314 | didn't want to go through the hassle of setting up 32 bit chroot in gentoo | 15:19 |
| johnx | you can use a normal vmware disk image with virtualbox, correct? | 15:20 |
| dphil314 | vmware image couldn't start X, need to fiddle with xorg.conf | 15:21 |
| johnx | ah | 15:21 |
| johnx | are you willing to try with vmware player? | 15:21 |
| dphil314 | but that was using the vmdk in virtualbox. i'll install vmware player next. | 15:21 |
| dphil314 | haven't exhausted all possibilities yet | 15:22 |
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| dphil314 | it's pretty cool when i vnc from the tablet to the laptop at work, start ubuntu in virtualbox, then go into scratchbox | 15:23 |
| dphil314 | coding for the tablet on the laptop from the tablet (recursive shells) | 15:24 |
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| thopiekar | has nobody a clue how to fetch the sources on debian from experiamental? | 15:42 |
| StsN801 | -t experimental | 15:43 |
| johnx | you might need to add the unstable repository and experimental | 15:43 |
| thopiekar | there are no changes StsN801... | 15:43 |
| johnx | all debian repos are self contained except experimental sometimes depends on unstable | 15:43 |
| thopiekar | johnx: and where are the repo lists? | 15:43 |
| johnx | in /etc/apt/sources.list | 15:43 |
| thopiekar | I mean where can I get a list of "deb *url *dist *pool"? | 15:44 |
| johnx | probably from google | 15:45 |
| johnx | I don't know a specific page | 15:45 |
| johnx | if you have anything in sources.list though, just copy the line and change stable to unstable or experimental or whatever | 15:45 |
| thopiekar | ok | 15:46 |
| johnx | if you want to see what package version is in stable/testing/unstable/experimental go to packages.debian.org | 15:46 |
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| dneary | Hmmm | 16:12 |
| dneary | Seems that /vote/ didn't make the move to the new Midgard. | 16:12 |
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| gnuton | H there | 16:39 |
| johnx | hallo | 16:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi gnuton | 16:39 |
| gnuton | hei johnx, qwerty12_N800! :D | 16:39 |
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| b-man | hello gnuton :) | 16:40 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | hi b-man | 16:40 |
| b-man | hello qwerty12_N800 | 16:41 |
| gnuton | hello b-man :D | 16:41 |
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| thopiekar | hi gnuton, whats about the 3d driver.. | 16:45 |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 16:45 |
| gnuton | thopiekar: 3D driver for???? N810 or for the next deice? | 16:46 |
| thopiekar | N810^^ | 16:46 |
| thopiekar | even N8x0 | 16:46 |
| thopiekar | :) | 16:46 |
| gnuton | :( | 16:46 |
| thopiekar | :[ | 16:46 |
| thopiekar | the smile says all | 16:46 |
| thopiekar | .. | 16:46 |
| gnuton | I think that there are not other word to explain this --> :( | 16:47 |
| thopiekar | ;C | 16:47 |
| gnuton | N810 can't have a 3D driver... | 16:47 |
| * GeneralAntilles still has hope. | 16:47 | |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, eh? really? | 16:47 |
| gnuton | GeneralAntilles: we can create a petition for that.. | 16:47 |
| johnx | we did create a petition | 16:48 |
| johnx | then we created justification | 16:48 |
| gnuton | Btw is not a nokia issue.. | 16:48 |
| johnx | exactly | 16:48 |
| thopiekar | the problems in the hardware-design? | 16:49 |
| johnx | anyways, it will either happen or it won't and we're best off doing what we can without 3D drivers | 16:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | thopiekar, no. | 16:51 |
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| dphil314 | mer brings all things to n810 | 16:52 |
| dphil314 | eventually | 16:52 |
| thopiekar | dphil314: what about n800?! | 16:53 |
| dphil314 | sure why not | 16:53 |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 16:53 |
| dphil314 | and wii | 16:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Someone put a AK to the heads of ImgTech already... | 16:53 |
| thopiekar | wii? you mean the gaming platform or what... | 16:54 |
| lcuk | we say "give us 3d", what do we want to do with 3d if we have it? | 16:54 |
| dphil314 | according to the blueprint, yes | 16:54 |
| suihkulokki | someone should buy one imgtec stock and complain at the shareholders meeting | 16:54 |
| dphil314 | sounds rather ambitious at the moment | 16:55 |
| dphil314 | lcuk: games | 16:55 |
| lcuk | very vague, got anything in mind | 16:56 |
| thopiekar | how can I deactivate using swap on grub? | 16:56 |
| dphil314 | donkey kong? | 16:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Is there any guarantee that the games will run smoothly though? remember, the lcd controller sucks balls | 16:57 |
| RST38h | moo all | 16:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi RST38h | 16:57 |
| jaem | good morning everyone | 16:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 'noon jaem :P | 16:58 |
| * RST38h has no problems with Blizzard (for the record) | 16:58 | |
| thopiekar | hi jaem, RST38h.. | 16:59 |
| thopiekar | ;) | 16:59 |
| jaem | my N810 is due back on Monday :D | 17:00 |
| jaem | just have to wait until then... | 17:00 |
| jaem | I'll probably clone Maemo, and then triple-boot with Mer | 17:00 |
| wazd | RST38h: hola | 17:01 |
| RST38h | wazd: Heya | 17:01 |
| jaem | Nokia doesn't sell a standalone battery charger, do they? | 17:01 |
| RST38h | wazd: got 'em uploaded? =) | 17:02 |
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| wazd | RST38h: yep, at last :) http://s46.radikal.ru/i113/0902/86/41dc37a9ee0e.png | 17:05 |
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| jaem | oh wow... nice work | 17:05 |
| * jaem high fives wazd | 17:05 | |
| thopiekar | hey Stskeeps, you told me to use mer-vmdk to repack enlightenment.. | 17:05 |
| wazd | RST38h: I can make screen colors more "gameboyish" if you like :) | 17:05 |
| wazd | jaem: thx) | 17:05 |
| thopiekar | why shouldn't use sb1? | 17:05 |
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| jaem | wazd: that actually looks better than the real calc, IMO | 17:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, push it marginally more green/yellow and slightly less blue. | 17:06 |
| RST38h | wazd: Colors are just fine for the SE =) | 17:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, just the barest hint. | 17:06 |
| dphil314 | that looks sweet. i'd love to have a good tiemu. | 17:06 |
| * johnx keeps seeing cheap Sony Mylo2s for sale and wonders why no one has bothered hacking them... | 17:06 | |
| RST38h | wazd: But do make all superscripted words thicker - do not not stand out enough (same for all the other faceplates) | 17:07 |
| jaem | what is TI's current policy on ROMs? The TI-85 and friends are quite old, but I thought TI was a stickler about that... | 17:07 |
| RST38h | wazd: Is there a new one for ti83? | 17:07 |
| * GeneralAntilles wishes he could have a TI-89ti emulator. | 17:07 | |
| dphil314 | you must own the calc | 17:07 |
| jaem | that's what I thought | 17:08 |
| dphil314 | but the rom's can be found | 17:08 |
| jaem | well, yes ;) | 17:08 |
| jaem | this /is/ the Internet | 17:08 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, they have same size ratios as the original) | 17:08 |
| RST38h | jaem: TI does not encourage rom distribution but does not complain about it either | 17:08 |
| jaem | Oh really? huh. Good for TI | 17:08 |
| RST38h | jaem: They sell calcs, not the software, and apparently treat this whole thing as viral advertising | 17:09 |
| jaem | that's surprising... TI has never been one of the more friendly companies, but it's good | 17:10 |
| RST38h | wazd: yea, except that in a real thing pixels are much smalle ;) | 17:10 |
| RST38h | smaller | 17:10 |
| jaem | the killer app for me would be a port of XCAS | 17:10 |
| jaem | (maple compatible CAS) | 17:10 |
| dphil314 | imagine how speedy the graphs will be on omap3 | 17:10 |
| RST38h | there is Octave | 17:10 |
| * jaem imagines graphs slightly faster than those on a 6MHz Z80 | 17:10 | |
| dphil314 | faster than omap2 | 17:11 |
| jaem | RST38h: yes, but I was looking for something more Mapley | 17:11 |
| RST38h | jaem: REDUCE | 17:11 |
| jaem | it has a WXWidgets frontend, so I imagine it wouldn't be much trouble | 17:11 |
| jaem | I just haven't gotten around to it | 17:11 |
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| dphil314 | Z80 was hot for its time in an Apple ][e | 17:11 |
| jaem | RST38h: sorry? | 17:11 |
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| RST38h | jaem: There is a symbolic math package called REDUCE | 17:12 |
| jaem | dphil: I have an Epson "laptop", running a 4MHz Z80 | 17:12 |
| dphil314 | heh | 17:12 |
| jaem | RST38h: I'll check it out - thanks | 17:12 |
| dphil314 | still? | 17:12 |
| jaem | dphil: it's from 1984, and it runs CP/M | 17:12 |
| RST38h | dphil: It all depends on the application. Some pretty new MP3 players still use 8051 | 17:12 |
| RST38h | dphil: And Z80 also occurs all over the place | 17:12 |
| dphil314 | you write fortran 77 on it? | 17:13 |
| dphil314 | that's what we did in 1984 on the apples | 17:13 |
| jaem | ha! no... it has a BASIC interpreter, though | 17:13 |
| jaem | and for about $14, I could get WordStar | 17:13 |
| wazd | RST38h: ok, I'll try to enlarge them | 17:13 |
| jaem | plus some other stuff - you have to swap out ROM chips to "install" programs | 17:14 |
| dphil314 | the cs prof had wordstar | 17:14 |
| RST38h | wazd: Not enlarge, just make them a bit thicker | 17:14 |
| RST38h | wazd: Like you have done with PI | 17:14 |
| RST38h | wazd: so that antialiasing does not make them disappear :) | 17:14 |
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| jaem | dphil: surprisingly, it still works fine, and the battery runs for about 2 hours | 17:14 |
| jaem | it's a LiIon | 17:15 |
| skibur | :P | 17:15 |
| dphil314 | i wonder if linux (dsl?) would run on it | 17:16 |
| jaem | um... no | 17:16 |
| jaem | it has 64kB of RAM | 17:16 |
| jaem | and a microcassette drive | 17:16 |
| dphil314 | who would ever need more than that? | 17:16 |
| jaem | and it takes about 20s for it to load "Hello World" from tape, and execute it | 17:16 |
| jaem | hahaha | 17:16 |
| RST38h | TI85 has 32kB | 17:16 |
| jaem | ...and doesn't run Linux | 17:17 |
| jaem | Linux runs it | 17:17 |
| dphil314 | ah yes the panasonic tape recorder hooked up to a trs-80 | 17:17 |
| * jaem wants an 8-track deck for his desktop | 17:17 | |
| disq | my tablet won't show connections in the select conn dialog, any cure for that besides a reflash? even the dialup connection won't show (n810, diablo) | 17:17 |
| disq | it automatically connects though | 17:18 |
| jaem | wazd: what app are you using to create these skins? | 17:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | disq: perhaps /etc/init.d/icd2 restart | 17:18 |
| disq | a reboot won't fix it btw, don't think that will either | 17:19 |
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| jaem | disq: likely not, then | 17:19 |
| jaem | disq: you said it will connect automatically to a known network, just not manually? | 17:19 |
| disq | yeah | 17:19 |
| jaem | is the connectivity applet menu just blank, then? | 17:20 |
| disq | and the select conn dialog (the one where it searches for networks and lists them) is always empty | 17:20 |
| jaem | s/menu/dialog/ | 17:20 |
| infobot | jaem meant: is the connectivity applet dialog just blank, then? | 17:20 |
| jaem | hmm | 17:20 |
| disq | nope, i have saved ap's there. adding a new ap there works, and it will autoconnect automatically (next time it does its thing) | 17:21 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | disq: you can grab gconf-editor and see if there's anything dodgy under /system/osso/connectivity | 17:21 |
| disq | yeah i think it's a gconf issue as well. will do | 17:21 |
| jaem | sounds reasonable | 17:21 |
| disq | in other news, i'm using my old nokia 770 as a WC occupation notifier now | 17:22 |
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| disq | a python script listens for charger connected/disconnected dbus signals and updates the twitter status | 17:23 |
| disq | i have the charger hooked up to the ceiling lights | 17:23 |
| jaem | nice! | 17:23 |
| jaem | and rather creative | 17:23 |
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| dphil314 | you can call it an iPooed | 17:24 |
| disq | i will log the status via a webservice and keep a log of it for usage graphs | 17:25 |
| disq | (11 people, one obsessive cleaning lady and just one wc in the office) | 17:26 |
| dphil314 | so you need to know the status at all times | 17:26 |
| jaem | ...the uses people find for twitter... | 17:26 |
| RST38h | Ok. So, cleaning lady dies first, eaten by the toilet bowl inhabitant | 17:27 |
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| dphil314 | now that's a mission critical app! | 17:27 |
| disq | :) | 17:27 |
| RST38h | But how do you off remaining 11 souls? | 17:27 |
| RST38h | And can you make it long enough to qualify for a B-grade horror flick? =) | 17:27 |
| jaem | maybe C-grade | 17:28 |
| dphil314 | that's the kind of thing that''l get you promoted to senior management | 17:28 |
| RST38h | Yea, C. | 17:28 |
| RST38h | But definitely with a fan club | 17:28 |
| jaem | you could have custom Maemo themes | 17:28 |
| jaem | to go with your twittering N770s | 17:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Rig the flusher to bring out a Glock that shoots when flushed | 17:28 |
| jaem | and an iRobot Scooba to clean up the blood | 17:29 |
| dphil314 | the prank possibilities are endless | 17:29 |
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| disq | i considered detecting flush noises and keeping/posting the time of the last flush but don't think the 770 can handle that unless i fiddle with the dsp. and it's kinda hard to distinguish from the normal running water/faucet sound anyways | 17:32 |
| jaem | that's also marginally more disturbing | 17:32 |
| dphil314 | sensor hooked up to the valve | 17:33 |
| jaem | why do you want t collect bathroom usage stats anyways? | 17:33 |
| dphil314 | industrial control | 17:33 |
| disq | sensors could work but they also come with wires | 17:33 |
| dphil314 | measure the volume change in the bowl during each usage | 17:33 |
| disq | lol | 17:33 |
| RST38h | what if t6hey do not flush? | 17:33 |
| jaem | also have it check if they've washed their hands | 17:33 |
| disq | measure the amount the person has moved | 17:34 |
| RST38h | just tag each person with rfid | 17:34 |
| jaem | and put a sensor on the toilet paper roll to measure length used | 17:34 |
| RST38h | and track their movements through the restoroom | 17:34 |
| dphil314 | graph the percentage of people who flush and wash their hands before & after the app is published, good for health & safety | 17:35 |
| disq | keep a total poo counter and another one daily stats. graph it depending on the day | 17:35 |
| dphil314 | day after the super bowl is off the charts | 17:35 |
| jaem | also, make the toilet analyse waste to detect potential health problems | 17:36 |
| jaem | and twitter that, too | 17:36 |
| jaem | and maybe e-mail out a follow-up survey after each use | 17:37 |
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| disq | lol | 17:37 |
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| dphil314 | satisfaction level? | 17:38 |
| jaem | "our records indicate that you have recently used our bathroom. Please take a few minutes to rate our service" | 17:38 |
| * RST38h wonders where electric shocker should come into the picture | 17:38 | |
| jaem | shock them if they don't wash their hands | 17:38 |
| RST38h | Maybe automatically lock the stall and shock the victim until he/se flushes | 17:38 |
| dphil314 | door is bolted and doorknob electrified | 17:39 |
| disq | why not just an autoflush? for fun i guess. | 17:39 |
| disq | $| = 1 | 17:39 |
| jaem | because it would require less of a hack | 17:39 |
| jaem | you could hardly get an autoflusher on the likes of Hackaday | 17:40 |
| dphil314 | open the bathroom door, hal! ... i'm sorry dave, i can't do that. | 17:40 |
| jaem | yes | 17:40 |
| jaem | we definitely need a red glowing orb that talks to you | 17:40 |
| jaem | but give it the voice of GLADOS | 17:40 |
| jaem | good job! In 20 minutes, #maemo has managed to destroy all convential notions of privacy, for the purposes of a fun project | 17:45 |
| dphil314 | the "iPooed" project | 17:45 |
| jaem | that's probably already taken | 17:46 |
| disq | yeah. so don't give out rfid chips to users | 17:46 |
| jaem | aww... but that's no fun | 17:46 |
| RST38h | disq: autoflush would be too simplistic | 17:46 |
| dphil314 | someone like thinkgeek made a prank toilet paper dispenser with an iPod dock on the top, called it the iPooed | 17:47 |
| jaem | yeah, I think it was TG | 17:47 |
| jaem | I liked the shrinter | 17:47 |
| jaem | nobody's going to read *those* documents | 17:47 |
| dphil314 | is that ecofriendly? | 17:47 |
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| jaem | well, if you don't plan on reading the documents, then shredding them as they're printed isn't waste in and of itself | 17:48 |
| jaem | however, printing them in the first place is | 17:48 |
| jaem | is it possible to print from the N810? | 17:49 |
| jaem | or rather, is it possible without major tweaks? | 17:49 |
| dphil314 | i saw a deb for bluez-cups | 17:49 |
| jaem | methinks I did too, but I don't have a wireless printer | 17:50 |
| dphil314 | don't know if it's ported | 17:50 |
| jaem | could that connect via bluetooth to a cups server running on a desktop? | 17:50 |
| dphil314 | perhaps | 17:50 |
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| dphil314 | stick a BT dongle in USB and load appropriate SW | 17:50 |
| disq | damn seems like the 770 lost the connection again | 17:50 |
| dphil314 | sounds promising | 17:50 |
| jaem | I may give that a try when I get my N810 back | 17:51 |
| dphil314 | WC outage? | 17:51 |
| disq | i'll have to write some conic code to check for that and keep it connected | 17:51 |
| disq | tried devicescape but somehow it doesn't work properly, can't even login | 17:51 |
| Macer | wonder how wimax progress is looking in chicago | 17:51 |
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| Macer | i'm sure they are still only in baltimore | 17:51 |
| Macer | what a shame | 17:51 |
| jaem | I'm also looking forward to fiddling with my bluetooth LCD wristband... | 17:51 |
| jaem | hopefully I can make the N810 do something fun with that | 17:51 |
| Macer | the next gen of wireless access will have to wait until the next generation of people | 17:52 |
| disq | making one with n810 is even easier, just use the ambient light sensor | 17:52 |
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| dphil314 | Circuit Cellar mag advertises lots of BT and RF gear. The hot item is ARM boards with ZigBee wireless can transmit 100 meters. BT is 10 meters afaik. | 17:53 |
| jaem | the wristband has a button, a screen, and a vibe motor - perfect for providing notifications of random stuff | 17:53 |
| jaem | and, of course, good for geek cred :P | 17:54 |
| dphil314 | it's low enough power you don't need FCC license to build stuff | 17:54 |
| jaem | dphil: how much would one (or two rather) of those run you? | 17:54 |
| dphil314 | each board with CPU, ZigBee, SD slot, etc. about $300 | 17:55 |
| jaem | a bit above my budget... | 17:55 |
| dphil314 | getting cheaper & faster all the time | 17:56 |
| jaem | but cool nonetheless | 17:56 |
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| jaem | my freind and I are looking into repurposing a consumer wifi router into a music-activated lights controller | 17:56 |
| wazd | overbolded symbols looks ugly( | 17:56 |
| dphil314 | disco ball? | 17:56 |
| jaem | no... something with a bit more FFT-goodness in it | 17:57 |
| jaem | I'm not sure how it will turn out, but it sounds reasonably feasible | 17:57 |
| dphil314 | wats better than disco?? | 17:57 |
| jaem | undisco | 17:57 |
| dphil314 | (punk) | 17:57 |
| jaem | I'm also trying to think of a suitable project to enter in the contest at http://instructables.com - the prize being a laser cutter | 17:58 |
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| jaem | IIRC, the last one they gave away was worth $13,000 CAD | 17:58 |
| jaem | or maybe USD | 17:58 |
| jaem | I forget | 17:58 |
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| dphil314 | solar electric car/battle robot | 17:59 |
| pupnik_ | i need a good hires mpeg4 streaming 'webcam | 17:59 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://s58.radikal.ru/i160/0902/b0/6c4591260903.png <- 83+ | 17:59 |
| pupnik_ | wonder how fast the n9x0 will encode from camera device | 17:59 |
| jaem | wazd: looks good, but I'm not really seeing the SE | 17:59 |
| makak | Hello everybody | 18:00 |
| jaem | it's not.... silver... enough | 18:00 |
| jaem | hello makak | 18:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | jaem, http://www.albion.edu/math/MBollman/TI83SEOH.jpg :) | 18:01 |
| jaem | okay... I've never actually seen that version | 18:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | jaem, it's relatively recent. | 18:01 |
| jaem | well, it looks better than the first version, anyhow | 18:02 |
| jaem | I always thought the 83+SE was rather ugly | 18:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik_, with the right optimizations I'm sure it would be plenty fast. | 18:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik_, I actually wonder about the capabilities of the ISP. | 18:02 |
| Meizirkki | qwerty12: why did you build the extras-repository package for x86? | 18:03 |
| pupnik_ | mhm. i want hires streaming vid on next tablet | 18:03 |
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| makak | I'm into cloning my tablet to my sd card and I'm pretty sure of wath I'm doing but I'm too nervous :p The filsystem is the ext3 partition and the Fat partition is for normal files right ? | 18:04 |
| jaem | makak: yes, but you shouldn't have any files on the card while doing this, in any case | 18:04 |
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| jaem | just back up all your personal files, and if you bork it, you can just reflash | 18:04 |
| jaem | but it should be fine | 18:04 |
| RST38h | wazd: Yesss | 18:05 |
| qwerty12 | Meizirkki, it's a all pacakage. | 18:05 |
| wazd | RST38h: there's a little bug, wait a bit | 18:05 |
| makak | Yeah, I did backup my files :p thanks Jaem :p | 18:05 |
| qwerty12 | s/pacakage/package/ | 18:05 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: Meizirkki, it's a all package. | 18:05 |
| RST38h | wazd: if the are too ugly, do not make them bold | 18:05 |
| RST38h | wazd: no big deal | 18:05 |
| makak | ha ! Don't you think N800/810 are great ebook reading devices ? | 18:05 |
| RST38h | wazd: replace EXIT with MODE :) | 18:05 |
| Meizirkki | qwerty12: ah :P | 18:06 |
| jaem | makak: yes, they work quite well, due to the size, and the screen being nice and sharp | 18:06 |
| jaem | I haven't tried an eInk reader, but I find the N810 quite satisfactory | 18:06 |
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| makak | Yeah, I was quite interrested in e-ink technology since I had this tablet ... it's no use with this I thing ... I mean, we're all screen-eyed geeks :p | 18:07 |
| jaem | the N810's screen is good in sunlight, too | 18:08 |
| jaem | I was quite impressed when I got mine | 18:08 |
| makak | and does'nt need light for bed reading :p | 18:08 |
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| jaem | does the Maemo PDF Reader honour DRM restrictions? | 18:09 |
| jaem | I know all the ones I use on my other computers just flip DRM the finger and carry on happily | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | It doesn't honour hyperlinks, doubt it's gonna go for anything fancy like DRM. | 18:10 |
| disq | screw it i'm going to reflash | 18:10 |
| makak | Never tried but I don't think so | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: extras exist for i386 ttoo | 18:10 |
| jaem | qwerty12: doesn't support it? Or ignores it? there's a difference | 18:10 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: yes i see | 18:11 |
| dphil314 | two pdf readers plus fbreader for chm's, it a pretty good ebook reader | 18:11 |
| * GeneralAntilles has probably read over 100 books on various tablets. | 18:11 | |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: ok, i didn't know it | 18:11 |
| * RST38h whispers "pirate!" =) | 18:12 | |
| makak | I think it isn't a conincidence that maemo users are raders too | 18:12 |
| jaem | does anyone here travel around in a ship and pillage and burn? | 18:12 |
| jaem | nope - didn't think so | 18:12 |
| jaem | no pirates around here | 18:12 |
| dphil314 | we're not pirates, we're open source advocates | 18:12 |
| jaem | well, piracy is a loaded term (and innacurate) | 18:13 |
| dphil314 | in fact, all torrents i'm seeding are legal | 18:13 |
| jaem | if anything, it's "copyright infringement" | 18:13 |
| jaem | but luckily, in good old Canada, we haven't yet outlawed DRM circumvention | 18:13 |
| RST38h | It is pretty easy from my point of view though: | 18:13 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://i072.radikal.ru/0902/a7/15e078c27c5a.png <- Fixed Ti 83, http://s54.radikal.ru/i144/0902/c0/9bb8dbecc28c.png <- Fixed 83+ | 18:14 |
| RST38h | If someone sold me a ebook as a plain text file or plain HTML I would buy it | 18:14 |
| jaem | although I realize that the (perfectly legitimate) software I have on my computers would probably get me in a fair bit of trouble in the US | 18:14 |
| Corsac | like? | 18:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, several publishers do. | 18:14 |
| RST38h | But with the current crap they wrap ebooks into, I either buy a paper copy or download an .fb2 file | 18:14 |
| jaem | true | 18:14 |
| RST38h | wazd: ! Downloading | 18:14 |
| jaem | RST38h: have you heard of Zinio? | 18:15 |
| makak | There are tons of free ebooks ... reading ebooks is not pirating | 18:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either way, I sold their books for 4 years. :P | 18:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Baen's collection is particularly nice. | 18:15 |
| RST38h | jaem: I seem to have heard the word | 18:15 |
| jaem | they distribute magazines and such, in their 'revolutionary format", which turns out to be a normal PDF with the extension changed :P | 18:16 |
| wazd | Ti84 is pretty sexy :) | 18:16 |
| jaem | however, they seem to have better security than the last magazine distributer I dealt with | 18:16 |
| jaem | they justy obfuscated deep-links to all their PDFs | 18:16 |
| jaem | it wasn't exactly difficult to get access to anything you wanted | 18:16 |
| dphil314 | how about Ti92+ | 18:17 |
| jaem | however, I kept my downloading to issues I had a physical copy of, and merely used instead of hauling them around | 18:17 |
| RST38h | wazd: Got'em. All righty, I think TI83 can be released right away, not yet done with 83+ and the rest | 18:17 |
| dphil314 | is this part of the sprint? | 18:18 |
| RST38h | jaem: It is much easier with Russian books | 18:18 |
| jaem | why? | 18:18 |
| RST38h | jaem: You either go to lib.ru or to lib.rus.ec | 18:18 |
| wazd | RST38h: I wonder why "plus" version of 83 has lower resolution screen :) | 18:18 |
| RST38h | jaem: Pretty much all of them are there | 18:19 |
| dphil314 | Plus profits! | 18:19 |
| RST38h | jaem: lib.ru is semiofficial and usually makes books available after 6-9 months | 18:19 |
| jaem | wazd: what resolution is the 83? | 18:19 |
| jaem | RST38h: that's pretty cool... too bad I can't read Russian | 18:19 |
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| RST38h | wazd: No, they all have the same screen | 18:20 |
| RST38h | wazd: TI83,83+,84+,and SEs all have 96x64 pixels | 18:20 |
| jaem | that's what I thought | 18:20 |
| RST38h | wazd: TI85/TI86 have got a different LCd controller and 128x64 screens | 18:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, can we make it easier to switch calculators than separate .desktops? | 18:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | give it a menu selector or something? | 18:20 |
| RST38h | General: Yea | 18:20 |
| RST38h | General: As it is getting crowded anyway | 18:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, can we get Maemo-Display-Name, too? | 18:21 |
| RST38h | General: It should be there afaik | 18:21 |
| wazd | RST38h: oh | 18:22 |
| wazd | RST38h: then 83 is wrong again, wait :) | 18:22 |
| udovdh | hello | 18:23 |
| RST38h | wazd: yes, a little bit =) | 18:23 |
| makak | hi | 18:23 |
| udovdh | my n810 now says: cx3110x: WARNING SoftMAC not initialized, chip not booted (get oid 0x13000001) | 18:23 |
| udovdh | whenever I try to do something with the wlan from the cli | 18:23 |
| udovdh | the gui thingie does see ap's | 18:23 |
| udovdh | and it worked before rebooting | 18:24 |
| udovdh | any idea on how to recover? | 18:24 |
| makak | How can I know if booting on the sd work ? (I reboot but nothing apeared at the launching) | 18:25 |
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| wazd | RST38h: http://s56.radikal.ru/i154/0902/7c/6f31090ab0d6.png | 18:26 |
| udovdh | makak, boot form the sd | 18:26 |
| udovdh | to be sure | 18:26 |
| jaem | makak: I ran into that too, unfortunately, that was around the time I became sick, and I remember very little of those two weeks, so I can't help you :P | 18:26 |
| makak | hem .. howto ? | 18:26 |
| udovdh | makak, wiki has no info? | 18:26 |
| jaem | the bootmenu prompt doesn't show up, right? | 18:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody has to stop wazd. | 18:26 |
| makak | I surely missed something ... | 18:27 |
| makak | jaem : yes | 18:27 |
| udovdh | http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 18:28 |
| udovdh | makak, ? | 18:28 |
| udovdh | my n810 now says: cx3110x: WARNING SoftMAC not initialized, chip not booted (get oid 0x13000001) | 18:28 |
| udovdh | hwo to fix? | 18:28 |
| makak | I used penguinbait's console-tools v1 | 18:28 |
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| makak | So, I have to do this ? | 18:29 |
| makak | Set the default boot device | 18:29 |
| makak | Once the initfs is flashed, you may wish to change to default boot device so the tablet will boot into your preferred partition without intervention. To do this, as root, run: | 18:29 |
| makak | chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --set-root-device ask:mmc2 | 18:29 |
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| makak | It works | 18:32 |
| RST38h | wazd: Thanks! Rotating and adding to the package | 18:33 |
| makak | Okay ... Here is the thing : I had to install bootmenu after rebooting | 18:33 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, is the gps working with Mer? | 18:33 |
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| Meizirkki | Corsac: not yet | 18:50 |
| Corsac | ok | 18:50 |
| Meizirkki | some closec source pieces | 18:50 |
| Meizirkki | s/closec/closed/ | 18:50 |
| infobot | Meizirkki meant: some closed source pieces | 18:50 |
| Corsac | yeah, always the same :) | 18:50 |
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| StsN801 | no, just there is no free lunch | 18:52 |
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| jaem_fooding | I got a free lunch from a local cell provider, on a tour from my uni | 18:58 |
| jaem_fooding | however, in regards to their actual service, they couldn't be further from a free lunch :P | 18:58 |
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| jaem | Mer is including the FOSS wifi driver, right? | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | If you build a kernel that works nice with it and mer | 19:00 |
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| jaem | is that a "yes, if you do it yourself" or a "yes, if we can get it to work in time"? | 19:01 |
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| qwerty12 | "yes, if you do it yourself" | 19:03 |
| jaem | I guess what I'm primarily wondering is if Mer's connectivity software in general will support WPA2 with TTLS/PAP, as I'm one of the many whose uni uses it | 19:04 |
| matmo | anyone know if it is possible to use mmc during an install? Tried several ways but get errors. Only way left I can think of is to shift files via a script when the app is first run. | 19:04 |
| jaem | matmo: use it for what? | 19:04 |
| qwerty12 | jaem, probably will do as it's currently using networkmanager (which uses wpasupplicant) but I know Stskeeps (and me for that matter) would like Nokia to open source icd2 (the internet connectivity daemon in maemo) | 19:05 |
| matmo | to store data files (as part of a deb install) | 19:05 |
| jaem | qwerty12: I hope so. That was one of my few complaints with Maemo - especially given the lack of SOCKS proxy support in most apps | 19:06 |
| jaem | I normally just tunnel everything to my desktop | 19:06 |
| jaem | matmo: AFAIK, you could move files from a directory in /usr/share, and symlink them (correct me if I'm wrong), but unless the package is set up to do that automatically, you'd have to do it manually | 19:07 |
| qwerty12 | matmo, unless the size of these files are really large, it's a lot more stress free to move them in the postinst | 19:08 |
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| RST38h | "To hear that CEOs will have no incentive to work for a mere $400,000/year seems ludicrous when one realizes that an awful lot of people with important jobs, from doctors to airline pilots, do their work very conscientiously for less than that." | 19:09 |
| RST38h | Hehehe | 19:09 |
| * qwerty12 has done it in the preinst by stealing ideas from other packages but it caused me a headache and a couple of trips to the autobuilder | 19:09 | |
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| qwerty12 | RST38h, CEO's are shown to be greedy bastards. What's new? :) | 19:09 |
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| matmo | they are large and I have tried mv via postinst but get error (status 2). In the postinst I only do a cd and mv | 19:10 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: They got screwed in the last Obama's bill | 19:11 |
| matmo | qwerty12: which package actually does this? | 19:11 |
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| qwerty12 | matmo, there's a few in extras, I can't remember off the top of my head but it's usually the games | 19:11 |
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| jaem | the RTS game (can't think of the name) does so, I believe | 19:12 |
| jaem | ...there's something wrong when a company that has a "GPL'd" program makes it so hard to find the source that you have to use Google to search their forums, to find a post with a URL that the poster said didn't work for them | 19:14 |
| jaem | oh - even better. The site that hosts the SVN repo for wifi security software has an invalid SSL cert | 19:15 |
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| aquatix | jaem: haha | 19:16 |
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| matmo | jaem: Bos Wars? | 19:18 |
| jaem | that'd be it | 19:18 |
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| jaem | did anyone ever actually agree on what was making the N810 GPS so slow? I never actually found anything definitive. | 19:23 |
| qwerty12 | The chip is crap and specially designed to be used in conjunction with A-GPS | 19:23 |
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| jaem | darn | 19:23 |
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| jaem | if you use AGPS say, when you leave your house, and you turn off the GPS when you get where you're going, will it pick it up faster as long as you're still in the vicinity, or do you need a net connection every time you try to get a fix? | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | AFAIK (not owning an N810), it caches the last known position of satellites until you reboot it | 19:25 |
| RST38h | more or less | 19:25 |
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| * qwerty12 edits /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh to run swapoff manually, because evidently ke-recv can't be trusted to do the task automatically >.< | 19:28 | |
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| matmo | jaem: thanks, looks like that's the one and ITT post suggests probs with N800 and SD based OS, which is my situation | 19:36 |
| * timeless wonders if sts got sound working for vmware :) | 19:37 | |
| * thopiekar is thinking about timeless made a joke or not.. | 19:38 | |
| qwerty12 | timeless, I want open-vm-tools working :P. It doesn't seem too trivial to fix, I may fix myself and upload a fixed version to mer repo | 19:39 |
| * timeless is generally fairly straight forward | 19:39 | |
| timeless | (maybe a few rare typos) | 19:39 |
| timeless | btw, any idea why apt keeps looking for 'Translation-en_US'? | 19:40 |
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| wazd | GeneralAntilles: merry christmas :) http://i059.radikal.ru/0902/fd/f674352a7207.jpg | 19:54 |
| qwerty12 | EURGH! :P | 19:54 |
| Corsac | wtf? | 19:55 |
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| wazd | omg, I can't stop laughing) | 19:56 |
| wazd | I think I should send it to engadget or something) | 19:57 |
| Corsac | what exactly is that? | 19:57 |
| qwerty12 | wazd, btw, could I ask you to do a tux (the linux mascot) smoking weed? I need a avatar :P | 19:57 |
| wazd | Corsac: well, it's Ti84+ Hello Kitty edition :)_ | 19:57 |
| wazd | Corsac: I thought it's pretty obvious ( | 19:58 |
| wazd | qwerty12: :) | 19:58 |
| Corsac | yeah but I don't really know what's ti84+ | 19:58 |
| lcuk | wazd, does rst's emulator allow hotzones to be defined | 19:58 |
| * timeless sighs | 19:58 | |
| timeless | libgalago-common (from osso) conflicts w/ libgalago3 (from ubuntu) | 19:58 |
| * lcuk really likes all these calculators | 19:58 | |
| wazd | lcuk: I think so) | 19:58 |
| lcuk | wazd, obviously its internal cos he can bind to whatever you throw at him | 19:59 |
| lcuk | :) cool colaboration | 19:59 |
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| wazd | Corsac: well, basicaly it's the skin for Texas Instruments calculator emulators | 19:59 |
| wazd | Corsac: normally it looks like this : http://s42.radikal.ru/i097/0902/6a/de8096f6dcac.png | 20:00 |
| lcuk | wazd, what about a simple functional landscape actual calculator - using a subset of the functions from the ti | 20:00 |
| dphil314 | kitty vader: http://craphound.com/images/hellovaderthumb.jpg | 20:00 |
| lcuk | ie same screen and some of the keys | 20:00 |
| Corsac | mhm ok | 20:00 |
| wazd | lcuk: I think I'm not the one to ask :) | 20:00 |
| Corsac | never tried that kind of emulator | 20:00 |
| lcuk | if you draw something, someone will tie it together :) | 20:00 |
| lcuk | you have a good eye, while you are on a roll so to speak | 20:01 |
| wazd | lcuk: well, current ati85 loading is pretty snappy | 20:01 |
| wazd | lcuk: maybe just use it :) | 20:01 |
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| lcuk | i leave it on its stand | 20:01 |
| lcuk | i never pick it up so these rotated ones arent much use | 20:01 |
| * timeless cries | 20:02 | |
| lcuk | heh | 20:02 |
| timeless | maemo-chavo-runtime and rtcom-beta-os2008 need libgalago-common | 20:02 |
| timeless | wtf? | 20:03 |
| qwerty12 | timeless, it sounds like libgalago3 has what libgalago-common needs so use dpkg-deb on maemo-chavo-runtime & rtcom-beta-os2008 to change the dependencies | 20:03 |
| timeless | libgalago-common is translations for pt-br, de, fr, and da | 20:03 |
| qwerty12 | Remove the dependency then? I certainly know I don't speak any of those languages :) | 20:04 |
| jaem | wazd: (a little late) that's terrible and awesome at the same time | 20:04 |
| timeless | i personally don't care about any of those languages | 20:04 |
| timeless | although i could probably survive | 20:04 |
| timeless | is there some way to use 'alternatives' to make this happy? | 20:05 |
| dphil314 | so i'm setting up ubuntu in virtual box to install the maemo sdk, and i accidentally remove gnome-applet and gnome-panel | 20:06 |
| * qwerty12 would just edit the deb directly, probably change libgalago-common to libgalago-common | libgalago3 | 20:06 | |
| dphil314 | you, being efficient about cleaning up unused packages | 20:07 |
| dphil314 | then i have no menus, not even to launch a term | 20:07 |
| timeless | qwerty: if i change /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgalago-common.* would that make my problem go away? | 20:07 |
| jaem | dphil: alt+f2 | 20:07 |
| dphil314 | ah | 20:07 |
| jaem | plus, you can add panels | 20:07 |
| * timeless doesn't like repackaging other people's debs :) | 20:07 | |
| dphil314 | in a term, i'd use apt to reinstall | 20:08 |
| timeless | dphil314: oh, i'm playing pokemon w/ Mer | 20:08 |
| timeless | "gotta collect them all" | 20:08 |
| timeless | i have nearly a full collection of diablo applets :) | 20:08 |
| dphil314 | i'd be happy with just one | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | timeless, you'd probably want to edit the /var/lib/dpkg/info/status file and change the libgalago entry to say it provides libgalago-common | 20:08 |
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| qwerty12 | Or you could just make a dummy libgalago-common package | 20:08 |
| timeless | hrm | 20:09 |
| timeless | yeah, i like dummy pacakges | 20:09 |
| timeless | lemme do that | 20:09 |
| * timeless has a collection of them | 20:09 | |
| dphil314 | quite a collector | 20:09 |
| timeless | dphil314: it makes it much easier to test things | 20:12 |
| dphil314 | i wonder what the nokia people think of mer | 20:13 |
| dphil314 | a good thing? a threat to their binary ways? | 20:13 |
| qwerty12 | They're supporting it. | 20:14 |
| qwerty12 | dphil314, http://www.flickr.com/photos/32615155@N00/3263196028/ | 20:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, you're a sick human being. | 20:14 |
| dphil314 | oh yeah i saw quim's comments on nokia people using beagle boards for an internal project | 20:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, do you think you could do a light overlay on the faceplate around the keypad? | 20:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | dphil314, "these Nokia people" probably isn't a useful way to think about it. ;) | 20:16 |
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| dphil314 | they is us? | 20:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dphil314, Nokia isn't a hivemind. | 20:17 |
| * dphil314 thinks of hive queen from Ender's Game | 20:17 | |
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| * timeless shrugs | 20:33 | |
| * timeless is a nokian and runs Mer | 20:33 | |
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| timeless | (albeit, in vmware) | 20:33 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | timeless is a bad nokian. :P | 20:33 |
| * timeless grumbles | 20:34 | |
| * timeless kicks xkbdata/xkb-data | 20:34 | |
| dphil314 | well, nokia seems more willing to work with open platforms than some other manufacturers | 20:34 |
| dphil314 | not to mention the cell carriers | 20:35 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: what overlay do you mean? | 20:37 |
| wazd | looks cute on white background btw :) http://i040.radikal.ru/0902/1a/bf244774635a.jpg | 20:38 |
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| RST38h | wazd: urgh | 20:39 |
| * dphil314 wonders if there's a hello kitty theme on kde-look.org | 20:40 | |
| * thopiekar is back.. | 20:40 | |
| wazd | RST38h: xD | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, stick a little semi-transparent hello kitty decal on the faceplate around the keypad. | 20:40 |
| RST38h | Bad news though: looks like TI83+SE and later models do not use ROMs | 20:41 |
| wazd | RST38h: aw( | 20:41 |
| RST38h | They seem to use flash updatable piece-at-a-time | 20:41 |
| dphil314 | then where did i get the rom for ti-92+ ? | 20:41 |
| RST38h | No idea what to do about it yet | 20:41 |
| jaem | the TI-92+ is older than those ones, IIRC | 20:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 20:42 |
| dphil314 | ok | 20:42 |
| RST38h | dphil: ti92 and ti89 are different architecture | 20:42 |
| RST38h | there is a total of 3 ti calc archs that I know of | 20:42 |
| dphil314 | so what's the latest? | 20:42 |
| timeless | they were developed in parallel | 20:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | In the QWERTY line, Voyage 200. | 20:42 |
| dphil314 | best for calculus & graphing functions | 20:42 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us_os_84plus.html <- is that wrong thing? | 20:42 |
| RST38h | wazd: Check out the file size | 20:43 |
| timeless | um, can someone help me? :) | 20:43 |
| RST38h | wazd: Weird, isn't it? | 20:43 |
| timeless | apt-get upgrade keeps offering me the same upgrades :) | 20:43 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, it's 693Kb :) | 20:43 |
| wazd | RST38h: I don't know what normal rom size :) | 20:44 |
| jaem | RST38h: where did you hear that the OS was done differently? | 20:44 |
| jaem | the 83+SE, AFAIK, works with the 83+ firmware | 20:44 |
| jaem | or at least, very similar FW | 20:45 |
| RST38h | jaem: hardware is a bit different though | 20:45 |
| RST38h | so not the same fw | 20:45 |
| RST38h | wazd: it is, of course, a poweer of 2, not 693 :) | 20:45 |
| RST38h | My crystal balls show 1MB for 84+ | 20:46 |
| jaem | RST38h: the TI website says that the download is the same for the 83+ and SE | 20:46 |
| RST38h | jaem: dunno, I base my work on http://wikiti.brandonw.net/index.php?title=WikiTI_Home | 20:47 |
| jaem | hmm... Dan Englender and them know their stuff, but I can't really argue with a single firmware download tagged for both editions | 20:48 |
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| Stskeeps | lo b-man | 20:53 |
| b-man | hello Stskeeps :) | 20:53 |
| thopiekar | wheyyy... Stskeeps is back in da house^^ | 20:57 |
| * b-man checks status in mer-committers | 20:58 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to kick his ass out again. | 20:58 |
| b-man | lol | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | b-man, can you switch URL to 0.8 ? | 21:01 |
| b-man | shure | 21:01 |
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| timeless | ok, what the heck | 21:31 |
| timeless | apt-cache policy sudo | 21:32 |
| timeless | sudo: | 21:32 |
| timeless | Installed: 1:1.6.8p12-4osso8 | 21:32 |
| timeless | Candidate: 1:1.6.8p12-4osso8 | 21:32 |
| timeless | Version table: | 21:32 |
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| timeless | 1:1.6.8p12-4osso8 0 | 21:32 |
| timeless | 500 http://private private Packages | 21:32 |
| timeless | 1:1.6.8p12-4osso8 0 | 21:32 |
| timeless | 801 http://repository.mer.tspre.org alpha/main Packages | 21:33 |
| timeless | *** 1:1.6.8p12-4osso8 0 | 21:33 |
| timeless | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status | 21:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~pastebin | 21:33 |
| infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste | 21:33 |
| timeless | 1.6.9p17-1ubuntu2 0 | 21:33 |
| timeless | 800 http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages | 21:33 |
| timeless | -- why does apt-get upgrade want to upgrade sudo? | 21:33 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: btw, maybe you can do that background for Mer channel? | 21:33 |
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| timeless | the same sort of nonsense is offered for screenshot-tool | 21:35 |
| dphil314 | that sort of thing happens in systems like gentoo when programs compile from source, for example when a use flag changes. if you're installing binaries, no idea. | 21:40 |
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| dphil314 | some problem in the dependency tree | 21:40 |
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| Meiz_n810 | kde 4.2 is finally installable for diablo :) | 22:13 |
| Meiz_n810 | i hope it's using Qt 4.5 | 22:13 |
| Meiz_n810 | Qt 4.5 should be a lot faster than older versions | 22:14 |
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| kevin_405 | tying to upgrade to python2.5 having trouble can someone help | 22:56 |
| kevin_405 | anybody home | 22:59 |
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| radic|alc | *kicking Stskeeps* | 23:03 |
| kevin_405 | anybody home | 23:04 |
| radic|alc | I dont't need python | 23:05 |
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| radic|alc | but more beer! | 23:05 |
| kevin_405 | i need python can someone help | 23:05 |
| kevin_405 | i dont need beer | 23:05 |
| StsN800 | radic|alc, ? | 23:05 |
| radic|alc | kevin_405: why you dosn't need beer? | 23:05 |
| timeless | sts: did you have a safe train ride? | 23:06 |
| radic|alc | StsN800: yahh? | 23:06 |
| kevin_405 | trying to cut on beer belly | 23:06 |
| kevin_405 | 2 hrs spent on trying to get python i am losing ti | 23:06 |
| radic|alc | kevin_405: you like ouzo? | 23:07 |
| kevin_405 | what is ouzo | 23:07 |
| StsN800 | timeless, yes fine - back in apartment and brother visiting. pacifying him with Eureka episodes.. | 23:08 |
| radic|alc | kevin_405: it's like Raki | 23:08 |
| kevin_405 | neer | 23:08 |
| kevin_405 | never | 23:08 |
| timeless | hrm, i think i have one of those in my dvr | 23:08 |
| timeless | unless tghey stopped broadcasting, in which case i have noise | 23:08 |
| radic|alc | kevin_405: where are you from? | 23:09 |
| timeless | sts: did you install 0.1.2 pre? :) | 23:09 |
| kevin_405 | No hablo ingles | 23:09 |
| kevin_405 | Can someone help with python | 23:10 |
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| StsN800 | timeless, no sorry, haven't even touched laptop yet and tablet working is a basic requirement for my sanity | 23:11 |
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| timeless | heh | 23:12 |
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| Knowledge_ | /j #hamradio | 23:16 |
| Knowledge_ | hmm...let's try that again | 23:16 |
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| RST38h | Hehe, I have found how ot make app quit when [2nd][Off] is pressed | 23:26 |
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| jaem | RST38h: disregard my comments regarding the ROMs earlier... I wasn't really awake, and made a thinko | 23:37 |
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