| ShadowJK | The CRT is fine 'til the phosphors become too dark :-) | 00:00 |
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| fireun | stop that | 00:01 |
| benson | AndrewFBlack: Fall asleep on your keyboard? | 00:01 |
| fireun | upside down and angry? | 00:02 |
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| StsN800 | r2d2rogers, redl same url try again | 00:06 |
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| StsN800 | reboot, ifconfig wlan0, restart nm | 00:06 |
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| r2d2rogers | StsN800: rebooting | 00:10 |
| r2d2rogers | StsN800: FYI, top right part of 770 case is warm | 00:11 |
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| AStorm | maybe that guy just destroyed his NIT screen... | 00:13 |
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| r2d2rogers | StsN800: awesome, I see the options, trying to connect | 00:15 |
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| r2d2rogers | StsN800: had to modprobe before ifconfig wlan0 up... | 00:16 |
| Mek | can I somehow remove a package from extras-devel, because that package is broken and an older version actually does work better? | 00:16 |
| Mek | (I know, I should test packages before uploading them... :) ) | 00:16 |
| r2d2rogers | StsN800: nm-applet froze, batter pop and trying again. | 00:19 |
| StsN800 | k | 00:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Mek, X-Fade may delete them, dunno but you can reupload old source package with epoched version number (http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version) afaik | 00:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, re: solca's post about "open" devices, what's actually keeping us on 2.6.21? | 00:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I feel like there's some misinformation there. . . . | 00:26 |
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| han-solo | hi | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Howdy | 00:33 |
| han-solo | is there anyway to change the date/time values of the internal gps before the Maps application reads them? | 00:33 |
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| lcuk | han-solo, you wanna beat your kessle run record? | 00:40 |
| lcuk | kessel * | 00:40 |
| han-solo | :-)) | 00:40 |
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| han-solo | no, I'm tired of asking for new trials, I want to keep the date part of the info received from gps to "today" | 00:41 |
| lcuk | i dont think there is - why do you wanna play with the timings from atomic clocks? | 00:41 |
| lcuk | ahhh thats a different thing | 00:41 |
| lcuk | thats not the gps timings | 00:41 |
| lcuk | thats the license lockout and entirely down to the maps publisher | 00:42 |
| r2d2rogers | StsN800: not much luck connecting, seems to drag on connection attempt, but without maxing the CPU | 00:42 |
| r2d2rogers | will try another AP at home | 00:42 |
| r2d2rogers | or an open one tonight | 00:42 |
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| han-solo | luck, so there is no way to put a home brew application between the internal gps and the maps app? | 00:45 |
| r2d2rogers | StsN800: ahhha, tiw as waiting on the Keyring you've been griping about <G> | 00:46 |
| r2d2rogers | StsN800: more details later, probably tomrrow. | 00:47 |
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| lardman | evening all | 00:47 |
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| lcuk | hey lardster | 00:49 |
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| lcuk | hows the snow | 00:49 |
| lardman | melting | 00:49 |
| lardman | only time for a couple of handbrake turns | 00:49 |
| freelikegnu | StsN800: been connected wifi for over an hour now, | 00:49 |
| freelikegnu | :D | 00:49 |
| lcuk | heh, last time i played inthe snow in my car i went sideways onto a morrisons flowerbed | 00:49 |
| freelikegnu | thogh I cant figure out how to get HIM up in FF | 00:50 |
| lcuk | and i did 70mph whilst standing still | 00:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | han-solo, the time doesn't come from the GPS. | 00:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | han-solo, rather than trying to steal the service, why not just pay? | 00:50 |
| lardman | I was a bit worried this evening trying to drive up hill on some quiet back roads, but only snow, no ice | 00:50 |
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| lcuk | http://www.flixxy.com/cars-on-ice.htm | 00:51 |
| lcuk | it will be like this tomorrow ;) | 00:51 |
| lcuk | and the music will go through your head as you try to go home ;) | 00:52 |
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| wazd | dudes, do you think that this banner size and place is enough to adore forecast-providers? http://s39.radikal.ru/i085/0902/7b/d759775c2e2e.jpg | 00:53 |
| lardman | lcuk: I had to do that a few years back while backing out of my garage (which is on a slope at right angles to the way you drive in) | 00:53 |
| lardman | random sliding and trying to avoid clonking car on garage entrace | 00:53 |
| han-solo | General, I honestly don't think that it is worth the $129 (for 3 years) | 00:53 |
| lcuk | heh | 00:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | han-solo, then don't use it. | 00:53 |
| lcuk | han-solo, then dont - use it when you need it? | 00:53 |
| lcuk | its somethin i buy a monthly license for if i know im goin away | 00:54 |
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| lardman | lcuk: I saw on ch4 this evening some stuff like that too - any 2wd cars were in all sorts of trouble, then a subaru impreza wrx just drove past happy as Larry :) | 00:54 |
| wazd | 129 bucks for 3 years it's like 40 bucks a year = 3 bucks a month | 00:54 |
| wazd | for god sake, are you that poor?) | 00:55 |
| lcuk | 4wd have no problems getting going :) | 00:55 |
| han-solo | is that hard to just answer to the technical question I asked? I'm not asking you to do it for me... If you don't know the answer, just say it and I'll try somewhere else | 00:55 |
| lcuk | han-solo, use the force. | 00:55 |
| lcuk | doesn't that come with tomtom | 00:55 |
| wazd | guys, answer me! http://s39.radikal.ru/i085/0902/7b/d759775c2e2e.jpg | 00:55 |
| wazd | -----> http://s39.radikal.ru/i085/0902/7b/d759775c2e2e.jpg <----- | 00:55 |
| wazd | xD | 00:56 |
| wazd | If you were Foreca, would you be happy with that? | 00:56 |
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| han-solo | see ya all | 00:57 |
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| lcuk | wazd, can you do that kind of customization with omweather? | 01:01 |
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| wazd | lcuk: that's not the problem right now | 01:02 |
| lcuk | what is? | 01:02 |
| wazd | lcuk: the problem is to convince providers to give us info "legaly" | 01:02 |
| lcuk | it looks good btw | 01:02 |
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| wazd | I want an exchange: their banner with link for xml source | 01:03 |
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| wazd | So I want to write e-mails to different providers, explaining stuff, with an ask for xml source | 01:05 |
| wazd | Last "asking" attempt was failed :) | 01:06 |
| lcuk | you ever thought about going the inverted way? | 01:06 |
| lcuk | lots of folks now have home weather stations | 01:06 |
| lcuk | some are bluetooth/wifi | 01:06 |
| wazd | lcuk: so?) | 01:07 |
| lcuk | it would be nice to have that info with me whilst im at the computer instead of having to go downstairs to the wall to look at the readouts :) | 01:07 |
| lcuk | and your display pretty much covers it :) | 01:08 |
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| lcuk | its just an alternative datasource | 01:08 |
| wazd | lcuk: that's pretty hard request. Cause we haven't got any weather station in here :) | 01:09 |
| wazd | lcuk: So we can't even check it if it's possible to combine | 01:09 |
| lcuk | by the same tune i hadnt heard of anyone with those car sensors that carmen uses either | 01:09 |
| lcuk | thats the same idea | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Carmen? | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is that some lady or a whole team of mechanics? | 01:10 |
| lcuk | carman | 01:10 |
| lcuk | lol | 01:10 |
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| lcuk | i dunno, i just read about it, thought "luke would love that", moved on | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, OBDII ports or readers? :P | 01:11 |
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| wazd | Well, he have lots of stuff to do for the OMW future, I'll add your request to my personal list, lcuk :) | 01:12 |
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| lcuk | wazd, just an idea nothing more | 01:12 |
| wazd | Can't wait for new UI release to start work | 01:12 |
| leandroal | I'm trying to submit package to maemo-extras using dput, but dput is return "KeyError: 'files'"... what is the problem? | 01:12 |
| * lcuk laughs | 01:12 | |
| * lcuk can see something working really really nicely | 01:12 | |
| lcuk | lardman :) i can detect clicks again now | 01:13 |
| lardman | warmed up enough that you can feel your fingers? | 01:14 |
| lcuk | heh, no the mouse events are now tied into the cell tree. i can click on widgets in the new liqbase core :) | 01:14 |
| wazd | Oh, Ciroip is participating n97 widget contest aswell) | 01:15 |
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| wazd | With his "flipclock" | 01:15 |
| lcuk | rendering is pretty much there, dynamic widgets are there, instancing and scaling and font rendering is there | 01:15 |
| wazd | http://2009.nseries.com/competition/gallery/3.aspx | 01:15 |
| lcuk | wazd, i will be entering a liqbase widget soon :) | 01:16 |
| lcuk | either that or i might just bring them all to life | 01:16 |
| wazd | ohmy)))) | 01:17 |
| wazd | They have so many duplicated items) | 01:17 |
| wazd | Not only me was pissed bout their weird upload system) | 01:17 |
| lcuk | im miffed at the locked aspect and size of them | 01:18 |
| lcuk | its such a low resolution because thats what the n97 is | 01:18 |
| lcuk | they look awful all on the tablet | 01:18 |
| lcuk | needs a squarer aspect ;) | 01:18 |
| lcuk | 9 fit on screen nicely | 01:18 |
| lcuk | and are clickable and active | 01:18 |
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| wazd | OMFG! | 01:19 |
| wazd | Check it out! | 01:19 |
| lcuk | at those dimensions on the tablet it will be 2 colums, 8 rows | 01:19 |
| lardman | hmm, where do I find openssh these days? | 01:20 |
| wazd | http://2009.nseries.com/competition/gallery/13.aspx | 01:20 |
| wazd | Apple movie trailers | 01:20 |
| wazd | He actually took my widget apart@) | 01:20 |
| wazd | omg)) | 01:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, extras | 01:20 |
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| wazd | OMG)))) | 01:21 |
| wazd | And another one!)) | 01:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, really? I mean . . . REALLY? | 01:21 |
| wazd | Wholy macarony)) | 01:21 |
| lcuk | wazd, download a load of them and make a tile to fit on the 800*480 screen and view on tablet | 01:21 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: well I have Extras enabled and I can't seem to find it | 01:21 |
| lardman | that was why I asked, thought I might be going mad or something | 01:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, yes, you are. :P | 01:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wazd, most of these are pretty bad. | 01:22 |
| wazd | http://2009.nseries.com/images/InnovationNewsdesk//originals/6209f8b6-9553-4c2c-81a8-23a710a4acdb.jpg <---- thats mine | 01:23 |
| wazd | http://2009.nseries.com/images/InnovationNewsdesk//originals/bc451969-fa01-42c2-95fe-b4575677ce60.JPG <------ #1 | 01:23 |
| wazd | http://2009.nseries.com/images/InnovationNewsdesk//originals/cc8c3737-dd93-43b6-aba5-2e89c47a9486.jpg <------ #2 | 01:23 |
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| wazd | Can I have an oscar in "Most cloned widget" nomination?) | 01:24 |
| wazd | btw that contest arrangment system is a total crap | 01:26 |
| * lardman curses and realises his n800 doesn't have the latest flash image | 01:26 | |
| lardman | doh! | 01:26 |
| wazd | you can't give direct link to the widget | 01:26 |
| wazd | more than that, you can't give a link to the page, cause they are always changing | 01:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wazd, crappy website, too. | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rating reloads the page and takes you back to the top. . . | 01:27 |
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| lcuk | wazd http://liqbase.net/liq.20090202_232708.lib.scr.png | 01:28 |
| wazd | lcuk: they looks resized :) | 01:28 |
| lcuk | i have a widget which loads them in and shows all of them at any size, at the prescribed size on the tablet they dont look good | 01:28 |
| lcuk | they are but you get the idea - its adjusted for aspect slightly cos it gave each exactly half the screen width | 01:29 |
| lcuk | it makes the screen too busy | 01:29 |
| wazd | yep | 01:29 |
| lcuk | its like a bad internet explorer advert | 01:29 |
| wazd | btw, it's funny that nokia has standartized widget size | 01:29 |
| lcuk | a wall of noise | 01:29 |
| lcuk | thats for the ui on the phone | 01:30 |
| lcuk | watch the demos | 01:30 |
| lcuk | something feels wrong about it though - those ideas work as the kind of adverts we ignore on the web | 01:30 |
| lcuk | its not a widget | 01:30 |
| wazd | cause here I was talking bout it: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/chapter-iii-home-sweet-home/ | 01:30 |
| lcuk | nice, i layout my vb forms on a similar grid :) | 01:31 |
| wazd | not exactly that stuff, but standards anyway) | 01:31 |
| lcuk | and my report designer is the same | 01:31 |
| lcuk | tracy plays a lot of sims | 01:32 |
| lcuk | have you seen the grid layout they use for the elements there | 01:32 |
| wazd | yep) | 01:33 |
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| lardman | hmm, how do I search for closed bugs? I only seem to be able to see New ones in the bugtracker (looking at My Bugs section) | 01:33 |
| lcuk | i dunno, post a link | 01:34 |
| lardman | to what? bug tracker? | 01:35 |
| lcuk | yeah you have it open | 01:35 |
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| lardman | ah, I twiddled a value in the url from __open__ to __closed__ and it's done what I wanted, sorry for the noise | 01:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lardman, use the real search. | 01:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lardman, the quick search is next to useless. | 01:37 |
| lcuk | damn! i just realised, with liqbase in windowed mode, screenshots will not work by default! | 01:40 |
| lcuk | so a desktop screenshot shows clear through | 01:40 |
| lcuk | and a liqbase screenshot has no border | 01:40 |
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| roope | wazd: the foreca image looks good. | 01:42 |
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| lardman | yeah, I searched for karma, and only got open bugs until I twiddled the url for that too | 01:42 |
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| lardman_ | re | 01:42 |
| lcuk | roope, doesnt it just :) nice and clear and simple | 01:43 |
| roope | Although the bottom strip of dates and numbers is a itsy bitsy small. | 01:43 |
| roope | At least on the target device screen. | 01:43 |
| roope | compared to 50% of screen space being just empty. | 01:43 |
| roope | I'm interesting in today and possibly tomorrow, so in that terms the sizing and the importance of some of the elements is perhaps a bit off. | 01:44 |
| lcuk | wazd, theres a point, does hte sky color change? | 01:44 |
| lcuk | or should it.. | 01:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Why do people insist on using fixed-width layouts for NO REASON AT ALL. | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman_, use this: https://bugs.maemo.org/query.cgi | 01:45 |
| derf | GeneralAntilles: Because it's easier. | 01:45 |
| roope | Well, regarding text, there is an "optimum width" for a text column usually. | 01:45 |
| roope | a poorly designed non-fixed width layout fucks that up usually. | 01:46 |
| lardman_ | GeneralAntilles: am half asleep, there's a field at the top to set the status you're looking for, ignore me | 01:46 |
| derf | roope: Yes. That would be the width of the window. | 01:46 |
| lcuk | user browsers should allow a floating customizable right margin for the user (like wordpad has - no wrap, to window, or to margin) | 01:46 |
| roope | derf: no. it's about 12 words per line. or about 35 ems. | 01:46 |
| derf | roope: Wrong. | 01:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | derf, not by a justifiable amount for most designs. | 01:47 |
| roope | derf: http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/em/ | 01:47 |
| lardman_ | night all | 01:47 |
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| roope | f a well-designed column of text, or about 12 words per line. Research shows that reading slows and retention rates fall as line length begins to exceed the ideal width, because the reader then needs to use the muscles of the eye and neck to track from the end of one line to the beginning of the next line. | 01:47 |
| lcuk | give the user the choice :) you are both right in the right environment | 01:47 |
| roope | To quote the relevant part. | 01:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | roope, in this case, it's a site that requires me to scroll on the tablet because the min-width is 1024 | 01:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Why? No reason. It's entirely arbitrary. | 01:48 |
| roope | generalantilles: well, of course that's then badly designed. | 01:48 |
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| lcuk | roope, but that does not take into account distanct from the screen | 01:48 |
| lcuk | a user with good eyes and a screen further away still doesnt need to move his head | 01:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | roope, this is why we have max- and min-width. | 01:48 |
| lcuk | that is for book reading at a fixed "normal" reading distance | 01:48 |
| roope | Well yes, that's basically a rule used in book typography. | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Set min-width to the size just before the page starts breaking and max to keep text lines from getting too long. | 01:49 |
| lcuk | which incidentally is perfect for the tablets ;) | 01:49 |
| derf | roope: If I want the line shorter, I'll use smaller windows. | 01:49 |
| derf | The key words in that sentence are "I". | 01:49 |
| roope | generalantilles: yes, i agree with that. | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm with derf, though, for the most part. | 01:49 |
| roope | Most people don't bother to resize their windows, they keep them maximized. | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you're making your browser window so wide that you can't read text, that's not the web designers fault. | 01:49 |
| derf | roope: Most people are idiots. | 01:50 |
| roope | It's lazy design work, leaving the blame up to the user. | 01:50 |
| roope | derf: most people are lazy. | 01:50 |
| lcuk | please for the love of god dont turn this into a dpad discussion :P give the users the option | 01:50 |
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| roope | I think there's a difference between lazy and being an idiot. | 01:50 |
| roope | Lazyness is a good principle, it saves mental energy. | 01:50 |
| derf | I agree. I don't think either of us is incorrect in our assessments, however. | 01:51 |
| lcuk | roope, did you see the "wall of widgets" i rendered from the nokia competition | 01:51 |
| lcuk | its like a whole page of web ads | 01:51 |
| derf | I don't "resize" my browser windows. I keep them at one size. That size is not fullscreen. | 01:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | A failure of Windows perhaps | 01:52 |
| * GeneralAntilles frequently forgets exactly how godawful it is and exactly how many people use it. | 01:52 | |
| lcuk | windows xp is a really good window manager | 01:52 |
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| roope | I have a mac at work and windows at home. It's good to know what people are using. | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Well I know who I'm not voting for" seems to have replaced useful discussion for me. <_< | 01:53 |
| roope | Again, reusing known metaphors when possible. | 01:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | roope, no, mostly it just makes me depressed. :D | 01:53 |
| lcuk | for a keyboard mouse ui xp is second to none | 01:53 |
| lcuk | ;) | 01:53 |
| * benson[away] vomits at thought of XP being a good WM. :p | 01:53 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, bullshit. | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, for a UI lcuk is experienced with, XP is second to none. | 01:54 |
| roope | XP is rather good. I prefer it slightly over macosx. | 01:54 |
| lcuk | its faster and smoother than anything else | 01:54 |
| benson[away] | I'm a recent wmii convert. | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, hardly, you're just more familiar with it than anything else. | 01:54 |
| roope | although now the mac app window logic is slowly growing on me. | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I can apply the same logic to OS X. | 01:54 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i have ubuntu on my laptop | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm much more productive in it than Windows. | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | and that argument would have just as much validity. ;) | 01:54 |
| lcuk | dont get me wrong, everytime i have an admin problem i think in the linux way now - it makes more sense | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Generally speaking, familiarity is more important than anything else about the UI. | 01:55 |
| lcuk | but theres too many things which dont quite work in ubuntu | 01:55 |
| lcuk | or kde | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, Ubuntu is a distribution | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not a UI | 01:55 |
| lcuk | metacity then or whatever it is | 01:55 |
| lcuk | windows is also a distro ;) | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you can't separate the Windows UI from the Windows "distro" | 01:56 |
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| roope | generalantilles: Well, there's Aero and then the classic. | 01:56 |
| roope | They're quite different. | 01:56 |
| lcuk | no, but of all the window managers for mouse i have ever used, xp is the nicest :) | 01:56 |
| benson[away] | OK, maybe I'd grant that GNOME is as bad as XP; I haven't used KDE in ages. | 01:56 |
| benson[away] | But GNOME is pathetic. | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | roope, lcuk, I still maintain that that has more to do with familiarity than anything else. :) | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/roope, // | 01:57 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: lcuk, I still maintain that that has more to do with familiarity than anything else. :) | 01:57 |
| lcuk | possible gen, the biggest killer is - i *HATE* using any of them with touch | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | roope, "Ubuntu" can mean any number of window managers, the selection for "Windows" is much more limited. | 01:57 |
| lcuk | i hate having to waste 90% of my screen | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, well, duh, they're not designed for that. | 01:58 |
| roope | generalantilles: well, that's true. but there is more than one. :) | 01:58 |
| lcuk | no gen :) but what is | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, iPhone/iPod Touch | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, Maemo, for the most part. | 01:58 |
| roope | Fremantle will fix... plenty of it. Harmattan will fix just about everything else left. | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | roope, let's hope. ;) | 02:01 |
| lcuk | :) liqbase runs nicely on my tablet. i think i'll have my nervana before harmattan | 02:01 |
| roope | Well, I tend to know this. ;) | 02:01 |
| lcuk | +sp ;) | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | roope, it's also a matter of opinion. | 02:01 |
| roope | generalantilles: that's of course true. People won't agree with all the solutions we will have. | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I frequently don't see eye-to-eye with you on what makes a "good" UI. | 02:01 |
| roope | That's just a fact of life. | 02:01 |
| roope | Yes, that's true. It's good to argue about those things. | 02:01 |
| roope | There isn't any one good UI style and others being bad. | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Honestly, I'd settle for just having existing things actually work. <_< | 02:01 |
| roope | i wouldn't. | 02:01 |
| roope | (well, not that it would be bad, but) | 02:01 |
| roope | The present UI isn't good enough, by far. | 02:01 |
| mavhc | a good UI is logical, discoverable, and efficient | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Please, dear god, test the virtual input before you release this time around. | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've suffered with more input bugs in Chinook and Diablo (90% of them regressions from Bora) than I care to think about. | 02:02 |
| roope | There were lots of bugs relating to input and the browser. | 02:02 |
| roope | They have their own widgets, so. | 02:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, none of them fixed. | 02:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Even though they were filed almost on day 1 of Chinook. | 02:03 |
| benson[away] | Yes, that, and xterm. | 02:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | But the return key on the finger keyboard only works about 20% of the time. | 02:03 |
| timeless | speaking of xterm | 02:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | The rest of the time it just closes it. | 02:03 |
| timeless | the fremantle xterm won't let me make selections | 02:03 |
| timeless | instead it does panning | 02:03 |
| wazd | who said ui?) | 02:03 |
| timeless | which is um. pissing me off | 02:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, double-tap? | 02:04 |
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| timeless | still triggers panning North | 02:04 |
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| roope | I'd say it this way that Fremantle will be a lot closer to what I think of a good UI to be than the previous efforts. | 02:05 |
| wazd | http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/02/03/nokia-n97-widget-contest/ <- ciroip's widget | 02:05 |
| lcuk | +1 roope | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you haven't even seen it. :P | 02:06 |
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| lcuk | no, but ive been listening to what is being said :) | 02:06 |
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| roope | There's virtue in saying too little instead of too much beforehand. | 02:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I need to figure out who we need to talk to about h-a-m improvements since m-vo seems to no longer be on the case. :\ | 02:08 |
| roope | Which is of course not very "open source" in some terms. | 02:08 |
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| lcuk | roope, a cathederal model of open source helps in some regards | 02:09 |
| lcuk | especially when you are preparing things | 02:09 |
| r0dent | why, just look at fedora! | 02:09 |
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| roope | I guess Pandora put in so my hard keys just to spite us. | 02:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a gaming device. | 02:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You need buttons for that. | 02:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Touch screens don't suffice (especially not resistive ones). | 02:13 |
| roope | Well. The biggest boost in mobile gaming over the past decade has come from the iPhone. | 02:14 |
| roope | There's been these mobile gaming devices now for a decade or so. Starting from nintendo gameboy. Or more than a decade. | 02:14 |
| lcuk | nintendo ds beats iphone | 02:14 |
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| lcuk | and their games are playable for longer | 02:15 |
| lcuk | they can have a wider variety | 02:15 |
| lcuk | cos you can use the device in various "modes" | 02:15 |
| lcuk | not restricted really to tilt is everything (dont get me wrong, its amazingly intuitive for some things) | 02:16 |
| * b-man likes the Sony PSP :) | 02:16 | |
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| wazd | omg | 02:16 |
| wazd | how can you compare ds or psp with ithin | 02:17 |
| wazd | have you ever played igame? | 02:17 |
| roope | naturally there are differences with a gaming-only device compared to a device that does games too. | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, seriously, the DS kills the iPhone. | 02:17 |
| roope | I'm personally much more interested in the latter, since the possible user base will be larger, and much more diverse. | 02:17 |
| wazd | 10 minutes is "whoa, thats a long one!" | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't much care for the iPhone games. | 02:18 |
| lcuk | gan, roope has a point - you dont but many do | 02:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's difficult to play anything I'd be interested in playing with only accelerometers and a touchscreen. | 02:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't see why hard buttons are so evil. | 02:19 |
| lcuk | heh shh, the nintendo wii shows new types of games arrive | 02:19 |
| roope | I think casual gaming is a very interesting trend. | 02:19 |
| lcuk | but even that is a multi function device ;) | 02:19 |
| derf | The DS is $130. | 02:19 |
| derf | Used ones are even cheaper. | 02:19 |
| derf | How much does that iPhone cost again? | 02:19 |
| lcuk | roope, and with nice fast everything we will have it | 02:19 |
| roope | I think there's really a stigma associated with gaming devices (and pda's). Many people don't want to be seen out in the public with one. | 02:19 |
| roope | There isn't such a stigma with mobile phones. | 02:19 |
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| lcuk | ive always been shocked at the lack of touchable games for the tablets | 02:20 |
| wazd | anyway, if I won't need internet connection - I'd prefer psp to DS | 02:20 |
| wazd | cause it has larger screen :) | 02:20 |
| roope | lcuk: well, yes, that's volumes and the lack of proper development environments. | 02:20 |
| roope | The potential would be there. | 02:20 |
| derf | roope: I don't think it has anything to do with the device itself. Many people don't want to be seen playing games in public. | 02:21 |
| * lcuk can see the potential infront of his eyes :() | 02:21 | |
| lcuk | :) | 02:21 |
| lcuk | derf, yeah right! on the bus you see loads | 02:21 |
| lcuk | phones are wild for it | 02:21 |
| roope | derf: well, yes. partly depends on how you define a game. they don't want to be pushing buttons rapidly and staring at the screen intensively. | 02:22 |
| lcuk | captive audience | 02:22 |
| lcuk | gotta find something to do | 02:22 |
| derf | lcuk: Yes. But those same people would be just as happy doing that with a DS. | 02:22 |
| roope | (which is true for nearly all mobile apps). Traditional games are heavily focused on pressing buttons lots of times and being ... reacting and being quick. | 02:22 |
| lcuk | yes, they would | 02:22 |
| lcuk | derf, but having totally new ways to play makes it interesting | 02:23 |
| roope | Millions of non-gamers play Minesweeper or Solitaire on their Windows. | 02:23 |
| derf | lcuk: I agree. That was the whole point of the Wii. The DS, too, for that matter. That's what Nintendo _does_. | 02:23 |
| roope | And ... parents. People who you would think never to play anythign. | 02:23 |
| lcuk | roope :) we will have a nice playground for them very soon | 02:23 |
| roope | iPhone has some of those success stories already. developers making fairly decent sums of money. | 02:24 |
| derf | roope: I will refer you to http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/12/3/ | 02:24 |
| roope | monetization is also a part. if you can develop for the iPhone - and see it in the app. store for some $$$ - versus giving it out for free. | 02:24 |
| roope | the app store is a really clever part of the puzzle. it makes it easy for developers to get money, they don't need to handle the sales themselvse. | 02:25 |
| * lcuk can see a very viable open source app store principle working | 02:25 | |
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| * timeless grumbles | 02:25 | |
| timeless | roope: windows are things like doors and ovis | 02:25 |
| timeless | you can pin things to both | 02:25 |
| roope | ... erm. | 02:25 |
| timeless | but other than chopsticks, you don't play on them | 02:25 |
| roope | You kind of lost me right there. :) | 02:26 |
| timeless | you abused a noun | 02:26 |
| timeless | stop doin ghtat | 02:26 |
| timeless | s/n/ng/ | 02:26 |
| infobot | timeless meant: stop doing ghtat | 02:26 |
| timeless | s/n g/ng/ | 02:26 |
| infobot | timeless meant: stop doinghtat | 02:26 |
| * timeless gives up | 02:26 | |
| roope | oh. on their Windows systems. | 02:26 |
| roope | Sorry. :) | 02:27 |
| b-man | ~ burn infobot | 02:29 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over infobot, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 02:29 | |
| b-man | hehe - i could not rezist | 02:29 |
| roope | I'm quite skeptical towards open source app. stores. (well, depending what they mean.) but anyway, I assume that the monetization would be somehow different. | 02:31 |
| lcuk | roope, its just an idea ive got rolling around my head :) | 02:31 |
| wazd | ~burn himself | 02:31 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 02:31 | |
| wazd | that's better) | 02:32 |
| b-man | lol | 02:32 |
| b-man | nice : | 02:32 |
| b-man | ) | 02:32 |
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| wazd | k, gtg 2 sleep, c ya tomorrow :) | 02:40 |
| wazd | Tomorrow I begin "wazd vs forecast-providers" case :) | 02:41 |
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| RaymondL | Hi, pardon me for a silly question about Hildon Input method | 04:34 |
| RaymondL | It seems that the IME is working as a plugin in HIM, So , is that possible that the UI and Engine of a specific input method been implemented in two plugins? | 04:35 |
| RaymondL | so that UI can be different for an engine, or UI can use different engines | 04:36 |
| Mousey | so you wanna us IME as an HIM to the UI for the NIT? | 04:36 |
| Mousey | ^_^ | 04:36 |
| Mousey | sorry, i just wanted to type that sentence, i don't really have anything constructive to say.. ^_^ | 04:37 |
| RaymondL | :) so what's NIT? | 04:37 |
| Mousey | Nokia Internet Tablet | 04:38 |
| Mousey | i realize your question wasn't necessarily hardware or platform specific. but i figured i'd throw it in there for completeness | 04:38 |
| Mousey | =) | 04:38 |
| * Mousey is helpful! | 04:38 | |
| RaymondL | OKay, well , yes, actuall I got little knowledge to HIM any information is welcome | 04:39 |
| Mousey | another place to find 411 on the IME plugin for HIM usage with the UI on the NIT, is ITT, if they don't have it, you might be SOL | 04:40 |
| Mousey | =D | 04:40 |
| * Mousey is on a roll, and apologizes for his bountiful asshattery | 04:40 | |
| RaymondL | so again, ITT ? | 04:42 |
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| RaymondL | Well, I guess I would like to describe my question in another way | 04:44 |
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| RaymondL | Say, If I want to implement an Virtual keyboard which can use diffirent CJK languages IME, is that possible? say VKB using several IME, Can they all be seperate plugins? | 04:46 |
| RaymondL | it seems to me that at one time only one plugin can be running and communicate between plugins is not easy? | 04:47 |
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| derf | RaymondL: Last I checked maemocjk used scim, which can use, e.g., anthy, skk, etc. as plugins, and switch between them. | 04:51 |
| derf | Independently for each window. | 04:52 |
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| RaymondL | derf: Yes, I can see that scim is well designed to be able to separate panel, engine, frontend into different modules to be freely combined | 04:53 |
| RaymondL | derf: Well I am wondering , is that possible for hildon input method itself? | 04:53 |
| derf | I have no idea. | 04:54 |
| derf | My point was maemocjk was using scim _as_ the HIM. | 04:54 |
| RaymondL | OK, Got it :) When can Nokia opensource it's HIM plugins :) | 04:57 |
| derf | An excellent question. But maemocjk isn't technically theirs: http://maemocjk.garage.maemo.org/ | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is CJK still being maintained? | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | They really need to change the name. | 04:59 |
| derf | GeneralAntilles: No idea, but the primary author works for Nokia. | 04:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Trademark violation | 04:59 |
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| RaymondL | I think, even not for CJK, just for english, there still could be the same question with say word completion or something else. can one VKB work for different dictionary engine backend? | 05:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RaymondL, my recommendation is to take it to maemo-developers. https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers | 05:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are more Nokians there. | 05:24 |
| RaymondL | GeneralAntilles: OK. Got it :) | 05:25 |
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| * b-man has finally compiled/modified/uploaded allmost all of the base packages from the mer and deblet repo for the ubuntu N8x0 repository - woho!! | 05:33 | |
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| AFBN810 | Hello | 06:12 |
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| yigal | is it possible to record a video using the internal camera, in my case on an n800? | 06:28 |
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| yigal | or is the video conferencing a closed source feature, or parts at least, and so the best that can be obtained at this point are photos via this camera? | 06:31 |
| yigal | or something entirely different to my desires or musings? | 06:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | v4l2 | 06:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | mplayer should be able to do it | 06:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | or hook into GStreamer directly | 06:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are a number of guides if you do a little googling. | 06:37 |
| yigal | GeneralAntilles: oh this is good, thanks, sometimes it's nicer to take a video journal than writing something down | 06:37 |
| yigal | GeneralAntilles: I was getting bump internettablettalk threads, so now with the right keywords I think I'll be fine: v4l2 gstreamer etc. | 06:38 |
| yigal | yes, http://www.mdamt.net/node/174 etc. | 06:39 |
| yigal | thank you | 06:39 |
| yigal | and there are all sorts of youtube evidence examples :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_aUpelgOsM | 06:41 |
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| yigal | although the specifics are a bit trying | 06:57 |
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| slonopotamus | hi, everybody | 07:19 |
| slonopotamus | who can explain why my gentoo doesn't get turned off after 4 minutes as bootmenu does? | 07:20 |
| slonopotamus | i didn't do anything with dsme, wd or whatever | 07:21 |
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| yigal | slonopotamus_: how is gentoo working on your nit? | 07:29 |
| slonopotamus_ | yigal, that's a long story... i'm porting it :) yesterday i had great progress, i managed to boot into it directly. see http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0 for info. boot steps will be added soon. | 07:31 |
| yigal | slonopotamus_: awesome | 07:31 |
| slonopotamus_ | yigal, they call it 'insane' :) | 07:32 |
| slonopotamus_ | if anyone wrote me anything about wd, please repeat, i got disconnected | 07:33 |
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| yigal | hello I'm attempting to video tape myself using the internal video camera on the n800 using the gstreamer/v4l shell script provided in this blog http://www.mdamt.net/comment/reply/174, but am getting many errors, would someone try the script and tell me if they are succesful, pretty please :) | 07:43 |
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| yigal | ah, I had to change the height,width, and framerate :) now it looks good | 08:08 |
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| fauxmight | slonopotamus: you're here! | 08:28 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 08:28 |
| fauxmight | Man 11 hr time diff will kill us | 08:28 |
| slonopotamus | nope, YOU are here | 08:28 |
| slonopotamus | i booted yesterday | 08:28 |
| fauxmight | ! that's awesome | 08:29 |
| slonopotamus | writing docs on this now | 08:29 |
| fauxmight | Any special techniques? | 08:29 |
| fauxmight | ok | 08:29 |
| fauxmight | will read. | 08:29 |
| fauxmight | I switched my main server over to a 64bit machine, it kinda stole all my free time in the last 2 weeks. | 08:29 |
| slonopotamus | nope. deblet/mer bootmenu + minor tweaks inside gentoo | 08:30 |
| slonopotamus | stock kernel | 08:30 |
| slonopotamus | no x, no wifi, no bt but hey, it boots and waits for password :) n800 here, can't do anything | 08:30 |
| fauxmight | very impressive, still | 08:31 |
| fauxmight | I do love the linux-omap kernel for it's fixups, but I understand you trying to stay with stock. | 08:31 |
| slonopotamus | mer guys are planning to play with muru kernel | 08:31 |
| fauxmight | What's native language for you? | 08:31 |
| slonopotamus | russian | 08:32 |
| fauxmight | Damn. I'm right out. I don't speak anything with a cyrillic alphabet. | 08:32 |
| slonopotamus | well, i don't use cyrillic here :) | 08:32 |
| fauxmight | I'm lucky your english is excellent. Don't know anybody else interested in gentoo 8x0 | 08:32 |
| slonopotamus | far from excellent :) but many hours in irc do the thing | 08:33 |
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| fauxmight | Man, I've got to go to bed. Past midnight, here, but I'll be reading your docs in the morning. | 08:35 |
| slonopotamus | they're not ready yet | 08:35 |
| slonopotamus | i'll email you | 08:35 |
| fauxmight | Deal. Have a good one. | 08:35 |
| slonopotamus | sleep well :) | 08:37 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 08:42 |
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| Stskeeps | moo | 08:46 |
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| slonopotamus | hellooo | 08:54 |
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| Stskeeps | morning slonopotamus | 08:55 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, explain me, why my gentoo doesn't get shutdown after 4 minutes as bootmenu does. | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | possibly dsmetool --root-mounted | 09:00 |
| slonopotamus | yes, that was called by linuxrc | 09:01 |
| slonopotamus | but what about precious wd that must be kicked each N seconds? why doesn't it turn it off? | 09:01 |
| slonopotamus | (by _your_ linuxrc :) ) | 09:01 |
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| timelE61i | sTs, wanna try my debs? | 09:02 |
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| Stskeeps | timelE61i: sure, but may queue them based on my workloadd today | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: cos dsme is running | 09:04 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, and that's it? i thought i'll need to write some daemon that'll echo magic numbers into watchdog | 09:06 |
| slonopotamus | http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0#step_3_boot_device_directly_into_gentoo | 09:06 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, it would be great if you fixed FBMODE support in bootmenu.conf :) you'll find a patch on my gentoo page | 09:07 |
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| timeless | right, so | 09:16 |
| timeless | who wants to be my guinea pig? | 09:16 |
| timeless | http://wiki.maemo.org/Diablo_Extras_repository_proposal | 09:17 |
| timeless | why does that call itself a draft? | 09:17 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 09:18 |
| slonopotamus | one more repository? | 09:18 |
| slonopotamus | or it is talking about extras? | 09:18 |
| timeless | extras | 09:18 |
| timeless | it's witten from before it happened | 09:18 |
| timeless | but it's a wiki | 09:18 |
| slonopotamus | then it's outdated | 09:19 |
| timeless | xxx please fix it :) | 09:19 |
| * timeless wonders where extras-devel is | 09:19 | |
| slonopotamus | timeless, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ ? | 09:20 |
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| timeless | err, rather 'how do i push to it' | 09:20 |
| slonopotamus | timeless, http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 09:20 |
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| yigal | poor server has to be rebooted | 09:43 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: yeah but fbmode modules take up space :P | 09:46 |
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| Stskeeps | right, beagleboard day | 09:46 |
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| ScriptRipper | morning | 09:52 |
| Meiz_n810 | morning | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 09:54 |
| ScriptRipper | Stskeeps: you are also here :) | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | i'm everywhere | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | except in my bed right now | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:56 |
| * timeless sighs | 09:56 | |
| timeless | where's a native english speaker when i need one? :) | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: playing in the snow probably, if you mean en-GB | 09:56 |
| ScriptRipper | btw, what langugage is "morn" ? | 09:57 |
| timeless | it's some broken form of en-GB | 09:57 |
| timeless | not sure precisely which | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: shorthand for morning, but danish would do it too :P | 09:57 |
| AStorm | a short for "morning" | 09:57 |
| AStorm | mhm | 09:58 |
| timeless | i think it should be written 'morn or morn' | 09:58 |
| ScriptRipper | sounds like "moin", which is northern germany | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | or southern denmark | 09:58 |
| ScriptRipper | ah... | 09:58 |
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| ScriptRipper | Stskeeps: so you are from denmark? | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | yup | 09:59 |
| ScriptRipper | me from germany... | 09:59 |
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| * Stskeeps tries to get jaunty running on his beagleboard | 09:59 | |
| ScriptRipper | Stskeeps: still? | 10:00 |
| ScriptRipper | works perfect here | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: well, today is the first time i actually do it :) | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | i had mojo going | 10:00 |
| ScriptRipper | aha. | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | which kernel package are you using? | 10:00 |
| ScriptRipper | I had installed ubuntu 8.04/mojo and also the jaunty prerelease. | 10:01 |
| ScriptRipper | and in fact angstrom | 10:01 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i'm not suggesting adding fb modules. just fixing bootmenu.conf | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 10:01 |
| ScriptRipper | did you hear about my collegue, who managaged to get maemo sdk into our buildsystem? | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: yeah, it sounds quite interesting, is it more sane than scratchbox? ;) | 10:02 |
| ScriptRipper | is seems that we do not at least suffer from any QEMU emulator errors yet. | 10:03 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, there is fbmode handling in bootmenu.sh (it calls fb_update_mode when ITEM_FBMODE is set) but bootmenu.conf doesn't properly use ITEM_FBMODE from /etc/bootmenu.d items | 10:03 |
| ScriptRipper | but it took my quite a lot of work with QEMU people to achieve this | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, if it is with the eabi patches and such it borders on sane | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: ah - feel free to submit a patch :) | 10:03 |
| ScriptRipper | we can handle armv4t (OABI), armv5el (EABI, w/o vfp) and up to armv7el (EABI, w/o vfp) working correctly. | 10:04 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, http://rafb.net/p/fRRn9k97.html | 10:04 |
| ScriptRipper | i have also tested this with all available linux distros for arm i could grab.... | 10:05 |
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| ScriptRipper | including maemo..... | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: *nod* sounds very interesting.. is it "just" a webservice or is it possible to "take home"? | 10:05 |
| * timeless is confused | 10:05 | |
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| timeless | do i need to fill in https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php?target=invitation_request in order to upload to extras? | 10:05 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless: correct, then x-fade approves | 10:05 |
| ScriptRipper | Stskeeps: you mean OBS? | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: yeah | 10:06 |
| ScriptRipper | OBS is a public service with a webui (but also command line) and the code itself is Opensource | 10:06 |
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| Stskeeps | alright | 10:06 |
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| ScriptRipper | we also provide prepackaged pkgs to install on the linux distro of your whish | 10:07 |
| ScriptRipper | .deb as well as .rpm based. | 10:07 |
| timeless | s/whish/choice/ | 10:07 |
| timeless | (note the original word was both misspelled and less than ideal) | 10:07 |
| ScriptRipper | timeless: correct, did not have my coffee yet | 10:07 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, or you want me to post it to garage tracker? | 10:09 |
| timeless | Mer bugs go to bugs.maemo.org | 10:09 |
| timeless | garage tracker is dead | 10:09 |
| * timeless goes to find a password | 10:09 | |
| Stskeeps | timeless: not a mer bug in this case :) | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: nah, i'll just patch it | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 10:09 |
| timeless | sts: what's teh bug in? | 10:10 |
| timeless | s/teh/the/ | 10:10 |
| infobot | timeless meant: sts: what's the bug in? | 10:10 |
| slonopotamus | timeless, bootmenu | 10:10 |
| * timeless goes to create a component for http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/load-applet/ | 10:11 | |
| timeless | stskeeps: i can create a thing for http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/bootmenu/ too | 10:11 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless: mm, bootmenu is fanoush's project really, not in a position to make any kind of decisions in it | 10:12 |
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| * Stskeeps notes that booted flawlessly | 10:16 | |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, what booted flaslessly? | 10:17 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, with patch you mean? | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: mer on beagle | 10:18 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, oh | 10:18 |
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| Stskeeps | added to svn | 10:22 |
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| slonopotamus | thx | 10:22 |
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| timeless | stskeeps: where do bugs in Network manager go? | 10:26 |
| timeless | Mer? | 10:26 |
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| * timeless frowns | 10:29 | |
| X-Fade | timeless: I've sent you an invitation again.. | 10:30 |
| timeless | again? | 10:30 |
| qwerty12 | timeless, btw, dunno if you noticed but if you press the refresh button in rss reader; it shows the msgid instead of text | 10:30 |
| timeless | qwerty12: i might have fixed that | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: ubuntu i think :P but cx3110x is wonky | 10:31 |
| timeless | eep | 10:32 |
| timeless | Unable to install FindMine [ Close ] | 10:32 |
| timeless | can someone w/ Mer 0.7 try installing findmine? | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | what on earth is findmine? :P | 10:33 |
| Jaffa | A version of Minesweeper? | 10:34 |
| aquatix | minesweeper game? </wildguess> | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | and give me a log of what HAM says (red pill mode?) | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | (tools->log i think) | 10:34 |
| timeless | the log is useless | 10:34 |
| timeless | it says configure failed | 10:35 |
| timeless | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 | 10:35 |
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| RST38h | all right. morning. | 10:35 |
| qwerty12 | morning RST38h | 10:36 |
| X-Fade | morning. | 10:36 |
| aquatix | hey all | 10:36 |
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| Stskeeps | okay, without very little modification of Mer image: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/merbeagle.JPG | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | (crappy picture) | 10:37 |
| slonopotamus | yep | 10:37 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mer.ico fwiw :) | 10:37 |
| slonopotamus | wanna crappy picture of gentoo on n800? :) | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: sure :P | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: hehe, cute | 10:37 |
| AStorm | hey, only 8h to build gcc ;P | 10:38 |
| timeless | sts: there are 3 icons in it | 10:38 |
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| timeless | sts: my guess is maemo-select-menu-location is misbehaving | 10:38 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: cool | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: yes, i was noticing the same yesterday | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: now add clutter on top and we have harmattan.. ;P | 10:41 |
| Jaffa | timeless: http://jaiku.com/channel/mer/presence/52779242 (what Stskeeps said yesterday) | 10:41 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: :) | 10:41 |
| qwerty12 | Incidentally, maemo-select-menu-location from Mer works when run via a chroot from Maemo... | 10:41 |
| Jaffa | Anyone straced it yet? | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: maybe dbus permissions or something | 10:41 |
| timeless | eww, i need a gpg key too? | 10:42 |
| Jaffa | timeless: no, see http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 10:42 |
| Jaffa | No GPG key needed | 10:42 |
| timeless | jaffa: https://garage.maemo.org/my/contrib.php is complaining | 10:42 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Well technically not anymore, but we need to update the garage page.. | 10:42 |
| timeless | Error: please copy your public PGP or GPG key in the "Your public GPG or PGP key" field below | 10:42 |
| Jaffa | timeless: type some crap and pester X-Fade about poor UIs ;-) | 10:43 |
| * Jaffa dunnos if either of those will work | 10:43 | |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: don't think so. | 10:43 |
| timeless | Error: the key you provided is not a valid PGP or GPG public key | 10:43 |
| Jaffa | Gah | 10:43 |
| X-Fade | timeless: I can bypass that for you, if you want.. | 10:44 |
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| timeless | that'd be nice | 10:45 |
| timeless | this is getting very painful :) | 10:45 |
| timeless | i mean, i can create products in bugzilla faster | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | rzr_: i've put up 770 instructions btw :) | 10:45 |
| X-Fade | timeless: https://garage.maemo.org/account/index2.php | 10:45 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Set your ssh key there.. | 10:45 |
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| x29a | mornin' | 10:48 |
| timeless | done | 10:48 |
| x29a | is there a way with plain standard maemo to stream video/sound with the N810? somehow the skype which came along doesnt support the cam | 10:48 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Ok, that should be all.. | 10:48 |
| slonopotamus | AStorm, first they laugh at you... :) | 10:48 |
| timeless | yeah, except for actually pushing something | 10:49 |
| AStorm | slonopotamus: :) | 10:49 |
| * timeless sighs | 10:49 | |
| x29a | i remember a video on youtube where someone demonstrates videochat | 10:49 |
| AStorm | slonopotamus: I'd actually rather build it on a faster machine | 10:50 |
| timeless | qwerty: did you try updating? | 10:50 |
| qwerty12 | timeless, there's an update? | 10:50 |
| slonopotamus | AStorm, how often do you build gcc? | 10:50 |
| timeless | i updated today | 10:50 |
| timeless | there are even some new pacakges | 10:50 |
| timeless | oh, the microb package is dead | 10:50 |
| qwerty12 | Lemme replace Mer 0.6 first with 0.7 :) | 10:50 |
| timeless | since it never was going to have content | 10:50 |
| timeless | ok | 10:50 |
| AStorm | slonopotamus: not too often | 10:50 |
| X-Fade | x29a: Gizmo supports video chat.. | 10:51 |
| AStorm | but I do sometimes build firefox | 10:51 |
| timeless | oh, this should install into mer too :) | 10:51 |
| slonopotamus | AStorm, it build while i was asleep. i didn't care if it was 2 or 8 hours because i sleep 10 :) | 10:51 |
| timeless | you still have to hack the start script to use it | 10:51 |
| timeless | but it's only one line :) | 10:51 |
| x29a | X-Fade: i guess i need an account and stuff for that | 10:51 |
| * timeless frowns | 10:51 | |
| slonopotamus | s/build/built/ | 10:51 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: AStorm, it built while i was asleep. i didn't care if it was 2 or 8 hours because i sleep 10 :) | 10:51 |
| qwerty12 | timeless, Ooh, great, I could do with strings :) | 10:51 |
| timeless | who owns that start script? | 10:51 |
| X-Fade | x29a: Yep. | 10:51 |
| AStorm | infobot: you're an annoying little git | 10:51 |
| x29a | meh | 10:51 |
| slonopotamus | s/infobot// | 10:51 |
| X-Fade | x29a: Or you can use gstreamer from the command line, but that is a bit hardcore.. | 10:51 |
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| x29a | X-Fade: oh, sounds ok | 10:52 |
| timeless | sts: is /usr/bin/start-hildon yours? | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: mostly johnx's | 10:52 |
| x29a | X-Fade: whats the camdevice? | 10:52 |
| X-Fade | x29a: The camera is just a V4L2 device.. | 10:52 |
| x29a | ah great | 10:52 |
| timeless | johnx: ping | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: it's on https://code.launchpad.net/~mer-committers/m-r/hildon-desktop-env | 10:52 |
| X-Fade | x29a: Which is pretty easy to access in code or through gstreamer. | 10:52 |
| timeless | sts: if i gave you a patch could you play w/ it? | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: possibly | 10:53 |
| x29a | X-Fade: i will try that, too bad the talk is in 17min already, gotta rush | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | depends on my work load really | 10:53 |
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| X-Fade | x29a: A little bit more info here: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/manuals/4-0-x/how_to_use_camera_api/ | 10:54 |
| * RST38h wonders if there will be a lighter camera API | 10:55 | |
| X-Fade | RST38h: I think so. As part of the multimedia framework perhaps? | 10:56 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Ah, abandon all hope | 10:56 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Quim has shown a draft for the multimedia framework API a while ago - it is basically an API for writing plugins for the media player | 10:57 |
| * timeless reboots mer | 10:57 | |
| timeless | sts: ok, patch written | 10:57 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Well, mafw is now released in the pre-alpha, so you could check the code :) | 10:57 |
| timeless | btw, does mer actually support multiple users? | 10:58 |
| timeless | i.e. is there some way for me to "log into the desktop" and "log out"? | 10:58 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: In other words, it is even more high level and does not have to do with actual audio/video hw | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: so far we haven't restricted it, but there's an autologin thing in auto-startx | 10:58 |
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| timeless | sts: it'd help this specific thing quite a bit | 10:58 |
| timeless | uh oh | 10:58 |
| timeless | i think i broke my computer | 10:58 |
| timeless | all i have is a black screen | 10:58 |
| timeless | oh, no, it's just slow :) | 10:58 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Already checked the document, there is nothing there that would make me look at the code | 10:59 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: But I don't think the camera api has been added to the alpha yet. | 10:59 |
| * RST38h kinda hoped for a simple open/read/close API | 10:59 | |
| X-Fade | RST38h: There are still more things to come, I guess. | 11:00 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: As I said, MAFW is irrelevant to this task, it is a system of media player plugins | 11:00 |
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| timeless | sts: webwizardry.net/~timeless/start-hildon.diff | 11:00 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: Yes, but so far it doesn't seem like any parts that control new hardware have been added to the SDK. | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: ta, how does maemo do it btw? | 11:01 |
| timeless | can i plead the fifth? | 11:01 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Even if they do get added, MAFW will continue being a system of media player plugins | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: yeah, sure | 11:01 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: I'm not talking about mafw. | 11:01 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Ah, you mean Fremantle in general... | 11:02 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Yes, the SDK isn't feature complete yet. | 11:02 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: I am pretty sure it wil use GStreamer again, I think somebody stated it when discussing MAFW | 11:02 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: And you have just seen an example of a video capture code with GStreamer :) | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: En_gb, btw? | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | and not en_gb? | 11:03 |
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| timeless | typo | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | k | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | (yes, i do review patches occasionally :P) | 11:04 |
| timeless | my system takes the current-locale path :) | 11:04 |
| timeless | i like having strings :) | 11:04 |
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| timeless | changed | 11:05 |
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| timeless | the string should match what i removed (-export LANG=en_GB.utf8) | 11:05 |
| timeless | probably a more proper patch would have | 11:05 |
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| timeless | DEFAULT_LANG=en_GB.utf8 | 11:05 |
| timeless | and then use it in those other two places | 11:06 |
| timeless | so that if someone has a different default lang... | 11:06 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, does initfs do anything useful? :) have you tried booting into rootfs directly? | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: yes, we're working on that at the moment | 11:06 |
| timeless | there's a package called hildon-initscripts | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: don't get me started on hildon-initscripts.. | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:07 |
| timeless | is that for scratchbox? | 11:07 |
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| Stskeeps | no, but it's the init.d clusterfuck of booting hildon things :) we're putting hildon into what it -should- be, a session script | 11:07 |
| timeless | it had a reference to LANG | 11:08 |
| timeless | but that wasn't interesting | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | (and it seems to be in fremantle better) | 11:08 |
| timeless | osso-af-startup looks promising | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mer-committers/m-r/hildon-desktop-env/revision/23 <- applied it as such | 11:09 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: Next Sidekick LX 2009/Blade, from Danger (acquired by Microsoft early in 2008), is going to run NetBSD as their operating system, causing Microsoft's recruiters to look for NetBSD developers. | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: that one is horribly weird | 11:09 |
| timeless | looks good | 11:09 |
| RST38h | Sts: Poor MS just can't get rest lately | 11:10 |
| RST38h | Sts: First the Flight Simulator cluster fuck, now this | 11:10 |
| timeless | ooh, osso-af-settings | 11:10 |
| timeless | that sounds interesting | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: sending version to builder | 11:10 |
| timeless | oh, nope | 11:11 |
| * timeless shrugs | 11:11 | |
| * timeless doesn't really want to figure this out | 11:11 | |
| timeless | ask andre__ | 11:11 |
| timeless | it's specified | 11:11 |
| timeless | he can even look at bugs i've filed internally recently to find the spec that's likely to talk about it :) | 11:11 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless: i'm totally expecting the part on af-settings to be a page containing goatse.cx picture, but that's just me | 11:11 |
| timeless | heh | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: 0.2-12 in repository | 11:12 |
| * timeless wonders how to update it | 11:13 | |
| timeless | would application manager offer me an "Operating System" update? :) | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | possibly | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | i have no clue :) | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | apt-get update; apt-get install hildon-desktop-env could prolly do that trick too | 11:14 |
| timeless | 49 upgraded packages | 11:14 |
| timeless | is updating the xserver safe? | 11:14 |
| timeless | oh well | 11:15 |
| timeless | let's find out :) | 11:15 |
| timeless | FEtched 15.1MB in 30s (491kB/s) | 11:15 |
| timeless | hey | 11:16 |
| * timeless wonders if bluetooth actually works here | 11:16 | |
| timeless | (it doesn't work in windows) | 11:16 |
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| Stskeeps | in the VM? :P | 11:16 |
| timeless | that'd be *really* amusing | 11:16 |
| timeless | yes | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | no clue | 11:16 |
| timeless | right, so um | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: stuck at home in the snow still? | 11:17 |
| timeless | what was i supposed to file bugs about? | 11:17 |
| timeless | qwerty: how do things look? | 11:17 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, yeah :). Although it's all going a bit icy now :/ | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: can you verify init=/sbin/tablet-init? | 11:17 |
| qwerty12 | timeless, all white :) | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | (i have time to tinker with it today so) | 11:17 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, go on then | 11:18 |
| * qwerty12 apt-get sources kernel-source-diablo again | 11:18 | |
| timeless | help | 11:19 |
| qwerty12 | ~help | 11:19 |
| timeless | where do bugs on the 'Panels' control panel applet go? | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: the double application menu? :) | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | known issue | 11:19 |
| timeless | ? | 11:20 |
| timeless | 8. organize button doesn't fit (diablo, fremantle) | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | oh, panels | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | that'd be your employer i guess | 11:20 |
| timeless | actually, i have two bugs for panels | 11:20 |
| timeless | oh sure | 11:20 |
| timeless | or roope :) | 11:20 |
| timeless | i remember complaining about it years ago | 11:20 |
| * timeless should have filed a bug | 11:20 | |
| timeless | my favorite stupid error message: | 11:20 |
| timeless | "Two plug-ins required" | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: you on the top-10 of reporters of internal bugs? :P | 11:21 |
| timeless | counting or excluding andre's proxies? | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:21 |
| timeless | and with or without cloning? | 11:21 |
| timeless | (we like to inflate our bug count) | 11:21 |
| timeless | i'd expect that amongst engineers i'm in the top 10 | 11:21 |
| timeless | amongst qa (or people paid to file bad bugs), i dunno :) | 11:22 |
| timeless | um | 11:22 |
| timeless | i'd need to know my password | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | what password? :P | 11:29 |
| slonopotamus | i need to know your password too. | 11:30 |
| timeless | for the bug database | 11:31 |
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| timeless | sts? | 11:35 |
| timeless | the first if has what looks like a tab | 11:35 |
| timeless | the next ifs uses 2 spaces | 11:35 |
| timeless | oh, and the code mixes if [] and if test | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | true, but it works :P | 11:36 |
| timeless | and "x$FOO" = "x" and -z | 11:36 |
| timeless | oh well, | 11:36 |
| * Myrtti goes to wash her eyes... | 11:36 | |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, what's default ip for telnet in rescue mode? | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: 2.2 | 11:36 |
| qwerty12 | ta | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | 192.168.2.2 | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: but cleanup patches are welcome | 11:36 |
| Myrtti | OCAR: "the first if has what looks like a crab" | 11:36 |
| timeless | nah, i'm lazy :) | 11:37 |
| qwerty12 | Myrtti, http://www.worsleyschool.net/science/files/eyelash/creatures.html :) | 11:37 |
| * timeless kicks chrome | 11:37 | |
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| Myrtti | qwerty12: hehe... was just misreading stuff | 11:38 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 11:38 |
| slonopotamus | oh | 11:38 |
| slonopotamus | tell me the magic of "x$FOO" | 11:38 |
| slonopotamus | why this ugly thing is needed? | 11:38 |
| timeless | sts: so, install my locale and try it out? | 11:38 |
| timeless | no need to stare at ugly_strings_like_this | 11:39 |
| RST38h | Why? To get you mad and drive you toward eventual insanity of course! | 11:39 |
| timeless | arg | 11:39 |
| timeless | i can't install battle-jeweled | 11:39 |
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| timeless | it wants hildon-games-wrapper0, libsdl1.2, osso-games-startup | 11:39 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, btw, my wifi messed up on 0.7. I did chroot before and did a passwd root... | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: just got a wifi card in the door so playing with that now :P | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: hmm. | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: your wifi is weird, corrupted CAL? | 11:40 |
| Jaffa | slonopotamus: historically, some shells treated "$FOO" as "" if FOO was unset, and then treated "" as no arg. So without the "x" prefix, you could end up with something syntactically invalid | 11:40 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I'm pretty sure that I get ETSI as my band in maemo... | 11:41 |
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| slonopotamus | Jaffa, then how one can make an empty string in such shell? | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: did it mess up from early beginning? | 11:42 |
| Jaffa | slonopotamus: I don't remember | 11:43 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, yep, soon as I booted. Now that I've got g_ether inserted and a usb cable, nm shows a auto ethernet device that refuses to work | 11:43 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: k - NM shouldn't touch your usb at all when using the rescue menu and interfaces file | 11:43 |
| timeless | jaffa? | 11:45 |
| timeless | Unable to install battlegweled | 11:45 |
| timeless | Application packages missing: foo (...) | 11:45 |
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| timeless | bar | 11:45 |
| timeless | baz | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: we don't have -games-wrapper ported yet :) | 11:46 |
| timeless | -^ current junk - v proposed; suggestions wanted - | 11:46 |
| timeless | Can't install battlegweled; | 11:46 |
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| timeless | the following required packages aren't available: foo (...) | 11:47 |
| timeless | bar | 11:47 |
| timeless | baz | 11:47 |
| * timeless has no idea how it figures out the indentation | 11:47 | |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, rebuilding. "CONFIG_CMDLINE="root=1f04 rootfstype=jffs2 init=/sbin/tablet-init ro console=tty0 console=ttyMTD5" | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: alright, thanks :) | 11:48 |
| timeless | so um | 11:50 |
| timeless | are there *any* games i can play? | 11:50 |
| * timeless isntalls metrinet | 11:51 | |
| qwerty12 | Play tetris in aptitude :) | 11:52 |
| Myrtti | rofl | 11:53 |
| Myrtti | I thought it was minefield | 11:53 |
| qwerty12 | Haha, you're right, shows how much I use it :P | 11:54 |
| * timeless frowns | 11:54 | |
| timeless | "All applications already installed" | 11:54 |
| timeless | :( | 11:54 |
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| slonopotamus | all your bases are belong to us :) | 11:54 |
| timeless | "Your system already has these applications" | 11:55 |
| timeless | sound better? | 11:55 |
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| qwerty12 | I think so | 11:55 |
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| timeless | "Operation in progress" | 11:58 |
| * timeless sighs | 11:58 | |
| timeless | what the heck does that mean? | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | it's performing surgery | 11:59 |
| timeless | => "Please wait": | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: and the CMDLINE isn't in CAL, is it? | 12:00 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, can't be. Remember solca's kernels used to boot from mmc directly | 12:01 |
| timeless | ok, which is better: | 12:01 |
| timeless | "mytube successfully installed" | 12:01 |
| timeless | "mytube installed" | 12:01 |
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| timeless | "installed mytube" | 12:01 |
| timeless | "Installed mytube" | 12:01 |
| timeless | ? | 12:01 |
| qwerty12 | The first one | 12:01 |
| timeless | why? | 12:01 |
| timeless | do you expect it to say mytube damagedly installed? | 12:02 |
| Jaffa | "Successfully" is superfluous | 12:02 |
| qwerty12 | It's nice to know that application manager hasn't messed up on you from time to time | 12:02 |
| Jaffa | You expect it to tell you when it has? | 12:02 |
| timeless | jaffa: right. so pick one :) | 12:02 |
| * timeless rotfl | 12:02 | |
| qwerty12 | Jaffa, yes. it reminds me that something made by nokia actually can work. | 12:03 |
| Jaffa | "mytube installed" - it should be using the display name, anyway, so typically that might be something like "Maemo Mapper installed" | 12:03 |
| timeless | mytube is what it gave me | 12:03 |
| timeless | i really installed mytube | 12:03 |
| Jaffa | Aye, I bet it doesn't have a display name :-( | 12:03 |
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| timeless | if mytube is stupid, file a bug | 12:04 |
| RST38h | Hehehehe: http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/8882_The_Perils_of_Fortune-telling_.php | 12:09 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/zImage.tar - "[sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL: ~/99x/kernel-source-diablo-2.6.21/kernel-source] > strings arch/arm/boot/Image | grep tablet -root=1f04 rootfstype=jffs2 init=/sbin/tablet-init ro console=tty0 console=ttyMTD5" | 12:09 |
| * RST38h laughes maniacally | 12:09 | |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: thanks | 12:10 |
| RST38h | "Nokia definitely won't be number one manufacturer in 2007, though it could be Motorola or perhaps Handspring" | 12:10 |
| qwerty12 | " * BREW will become the dominant phone development environment by 2007-2010" - bollocks | 12:10 |
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| rockydd | hi, I need the file 'install', which package it located? | 12:13 |
| * timeless sighs | 12:13 | |
| timeless | eh? | 12:13 |
| timeless | coreutils: /usr/bin/install | 12:14 |
| rockydd | should I install coreutils? it's conflict with busybox | 12:14 |
| rockydd | remove busybox? | 12:14 |
| timeless | no | 12:15 |
| rockydd | then how? | 12:15 |
| timeless | this is a scratchbox? | 12:15 |
| RST38h | qwerty: hey, BREW was good | 12:16 |
| rockydd | I don't know, how to check | 12:16 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Between BREW and MIDP... | 12:16 |
| timeless | midp "won", right? | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i think it might work cos it doesn't seem to load now :> | 12:17 |
| qwerty12 | Sounds good >.< | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | yes, is a good thing :> | 12:17 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, but hell no on it becoming dominant over Symbian & MIDP :) | 12:18 |
| qwerty12 | I've never actually seen one single BREW phone here | 12:18 |
| rockydd | timeless? how to get it without installing coreutils. | 12:18 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Well, when BREW came up, MIDP was already there | 12:19 |
| timeless | are you in scratchbox? | 12:19 |
| RST38h | qwerty: MIDP is a castrated Java, BREW is a castrated C | 12:19 |
| rockydd | sorry, I don't know. timeless | 12:20 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, :) | 12:20 |
| rockydd | I don't know how to check this. is scratchbox a package? | 12:20 |
| timeless | rockydd: is this a real tablet? | 12:21 |
| rockydd | yes, it is | 12:21 |
| RST38h | qwerty: it was still C though, a compiled language | 12:21 |
| timeless | rockydd: well | 12:21 |
| timeless | you have a couple of chioces | 12:22 |
| timeless | one is to use dpkg-deb to extract /usr/bin/install from coreutils | 12:22 |
| timeless | another is to try making a symlink from busybox to install and pray that it works | 12:22 |
| rockydd | ok, and? | 12:22 |
| timeless | (no idea if it will) | 12:22 |
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| timeless | anyway, if you extract it, just stick it into /usr/bin | 12:23 |
| timeless | it should "work" | 12:23 |
| timeless | another is to just write a trivial /usr/bin/install in sh | 12:23 |
| timeless | there aren't many args and you can probably ignore the complicated flavors | 12:23 |
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| rockydd | ok. I will try the first one. thanks | 12:23 |
| timeless | oh, and you should find out if there's a public bug filed complaining that it's missing :) | 12:23 |
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| rockydd | thank u very much! | 12:24 |
| timeless | how do i look at line 24 of a dozen files? :( | 12:24 |
| * timeless tries perl -ne 'next unless $. == 5; print ;' | 12:25 | |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: worked, ta | 12:26 |
| qwerty12 | wicked! | 12:26 |
| * qwerty12 wonders what he fucked up in his first build :) | 12:26 | |
| Jaffa | timeless: for i in *; do head -n 24 ${i} | tail -n 1; done ? | 12:26 |
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| rzr_ | hi, if it maters I just published some video of testing mer : http://en.theorasea.org/search.php?search=mobile | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | on 770? | 12:28 |
| * Stskeeps watches | 12:28 | |
| rzr_ | on qemu | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | curious | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | so the x86 version? | 12:28 |
| rzr_ | I'll test next release on 770 promise | 12:28 |
| rzr_ | yea | 12:28 |
| RST38h | Nokia is increasing orders in March as it prepares to "launch several 3G and 3.5G products with multi-touch and multimedia functions in 2009 | 12:28 |
| rzr_ | Stskeeps: i am waiting to recieve my SD card for 770 | 12:29 |
| rockydd | timeless: I failed to download coreutils for apt-get is still check the conflict even if with the option -d | 12:31 |
| timeless | jaffa: unfortunately i didn't know what i was looking for | 12:31 |
| timeless | echo *enus1/po/en_US.po|xargs -n1 perl -ne 'next unless $. > 22 && $. < 31; print "$. $_";' |less | 12:31 |
| timeless | ended up working | 12:31 |
| timeless | rockydd: apt-cache policy coreutils | 12:31 |
| Jaffa | nice :) | 12:31 |
| timeless | could tell you where to find it | 12:31 |
| rockydd | oh, great! | 12:32 |
| timeless | i kinda screwed up a search + replace | 12:32 |
| timeless | rockydd: in genereal | 12:32 |
| timeless | s/eal/al/ | 12:32 |
| infobot | timeless meant: rockydd: in general | 12:32 |
| timeless | #!/bin/sh | 12:32 |
| timeless | echo $* >> /tmp/my-debug | 12:32 |
| timeless | exit 1 | 12:32 |
| timeless | ^D | 12:32 |
| timeless | then just read my-debug and figure out what the args mean :) | 12:32 |
| timeless | slowly add the pieces to handle those cases | 12:34 |
| timeless | (and exit 0 for the cases you handle) | 12:34 |
| timeless | that's the black box approach :) | 12:34 |
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| timeless | sts: did you fix core_pattern yet? | 12:38 |
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| timeless | right, so.... is there any way to get my xsession to restart? | 12:46 |
| timeless | oh no | 12:47 |
| * timeless accidentally uninstalled hidlon-theme-liberty | 12:48 | |
| RST38h | hmmm | 12:48 |
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| RST38h | BTW, gentlemen, has anyone already tried Android-optimized google pages in MicroB? | 12:48 |
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| timeless | jaffa: btw, hildon-theme-liberty has no pretty name | 12:48 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: got nit-kernel-compat package src still? | 12:52 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, nope | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | k | 12:52 |
| qwerty12 | It's still there in the reop | 12:53 |
| qwerty12 | s/reop/repo/ | 12:53 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: It's still there in the repo | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | k, im gonna bzrise it then | 12:53 |
| qwerty12 | Looks like I've got a reason to join launchpad then :) | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, yes, you do :P | 12:53 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i am in honest doubt wether root-mounted is a figment of imagination or not | 12:57 |
| qwerty12 | dsme: unrecognized option `--root-mounted' | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, exactly | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | dsmetool, right? | 12:58 |
| qwerty12 | [${SHLVL}|root@N800PIMPIN|/]strings `which dsmetool` | grep root | 12:58 |
| qwerty12 | root-mounted | 12:58 |
| qwerty12 | send_root_mounted_msg | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | k | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | so it does exist | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | # echo "nitboot: failed to get dsme to believe the root is mounted." | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | fails btw | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | not sure why | 12:59 |
| qwerty12 | Please fix, I'm not internationally renowned for my scripting ability :) | 12:59 |
| timeless | sts: so, it looks like any desktop applet has the positioning problems :( | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, k | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: on VMDK? | 13:00 |
| timeless | yeah | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | k | 13:00 |
| timeless | i tried cairoclock | 13:00 |
| rockydd | timeless: sorry, I didn't find the coreutils.deb | 13:00 |
| timeless | it fails the same way | 13:00 |
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| Stskeeps | rzr: can't seem to get the video to play | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | got a direct link i can dl? | 13:02 |
| timeless | repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/./free/c/coreutils/coreutils_5.2.1-2osso1_armel.deb | 13:02 |
| timeless | according to my system | 13:02 |
| timeless | not sure if there's a newer version | 13:02 |
| timeless | my mirror is old | 13:02 |
| timeless | ok, so... | 13:03 |
| timeless | i'm relatively happy w/ h-a-m now | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: if you see problems or issues, add them to http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Sprints/0.8 , if we disagree if it should get into mer discussion ensues, but just add to the list and we'll get to them eventually :) | 13:04 |
| rockydd | timeless: thanks, but, how did you find that link? | 13:04 |
| timeless | anyway, people who are 'subscribed' to forjx should grab a new version | 13:04 |
| timeless | rockydd: i have a mirror of repository.maemo.org | 13:04 |
| timeless | so, cd <mymirror> | 13:04 |
| timeless | find . -name '*coreu*deb' | 13:04 |
| timeless | :) | 13:05 |
| timeless | stskeeps: please grab forjx and try it in the enxt hour or so :) | 13:05 |
| rockydd | o. can I use the apt-get to find this link? | 13:05 |
| timeless | well | 13:06 |
| timeless | apt-cache policy for me gives: | 13:06 |
| timeless | dk.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: forjx? | 13:06 |
| timeless | w/ a lot of effort.. | 13:06 |
| timeless | /var/lib/apt/lists/dk.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_jaunty_*Packages would help | 13:07 |
| timeless | grep 'Package: coreutils' /var/lib/apt/lists/dk.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_jaunty_*Packages | 13:08 |
| rockydd | oh, right | 13:08 |
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| timeless | tells me it's in dk.archive.ubuntu.com...jaunty.main.binary | 13:08 |
| timeless | the _'s in the filename are actually /'\s in http | 13:08 |
| timeless | so you can recover something like that | 13:09 |
| timeless | well, maybe not /'s exactly | 13:09 |
| timeless | but it's doable | 13:09 |
| timeless | alternatively there's a Path/Pool thing near that section | 13:09 |
| timeless | which is the path within the something | 13:09 |
| timeless | it's doable | 13:09 |
| * timeless has code which does it | 13:09 | |
| timeless | fwiw, this is jaunty/x86 because it's Mer0.7-vmware | 13:10 |
| timeless | normally i don't run ubuntu | 13:10 |
| rockydd | oh, thanks | 13:10 |
| * timeless wonders why 'fuelpad-dbg' is available from Blue pill-ham | 13:11 | |
| qwerty12 | Do you have extras enabled or something in Mer? | 13:11 |
| timeless | yes | 13:11 |
| qwerty12 | ah :) | 13:11 |
| timeless | is that bad? :) | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | nah, it is a good way to see where we're lacking | 13:11 |
| timeless | fwiw, jaffa, maemo-mapper doesn't have a pretty name | 13:12 |
| timeless | please file a bug :) | 13:12 |
| qwerty12 | No, not at all, I was just wondering where all this maemo stuff was coming from :D | 13:12 |
| timeless | qwerty: please update forjx | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: http://rafb.net/p/q8OjNN80.html | 13:13 |
| timeless | the h-a-m strings should be much better | 13:13 |
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| qwerty12 | timeless, sorry, I'm busy packaging atm :) | 13:13 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, ooh | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: tablet-init also allows nice tricks like: | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | http://rafb.net/p/PVjCVH48.html ;) | 13:14 |
| timeless | qwerty: alright, just install it before you install your package :) | 13:14 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, haha, I like ;) | 13:14 |
| * timeless installs liqbase | 13:14 | |
| qwerty12 | timeless, :) | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: no clue how stable Xv is :> | 13:15 |
| timeless | sts: i'm testing strings, not using programs :) | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | well either is good if it actually boots | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:15 |
| * timeless is much happier with the new strings | 13:15 | |
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| timeless | you won't be confused between a package named 1MB and a package that needs to download 1MB of stuff | 13:16 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly | 13:16 | |
| Stskeeps | E: Couldn't make mmap of 25165824 bytes - mmap (22 Invalid argument) | 13:16 |
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| timeless | that's a standar dthing | 13:16 |
| timeless | you need an apt.conf.d setting to make it less stupid | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | ffs.. a jffs2 problem | 13:19 |
| timeless | it's apt::cache-limit | 13:19 |
| timeless | # echo 'APT::Cache-Limit "125829120" ' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/30cache | 13:19 |
| timeless | where the number is picked somewhat randomly | 13:19 |
| timeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/24626 | 13:19 |
| timeless | of any of the dozens of duplicates | 13:20 |
| timeless | : | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=314334 or this | 13:20 |
| timeless | yeah yeah | 13:20 |
| timeless | there are dozens of copies of the bug all over | 13:21 |
| timeless | you get used to it | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | k | 13:21 |
| timeless | um | 13:21 |
| timeless | does Organize applications in panels in control panel work for you? | 13:22 |
| timeless | i can't seem to actually drag stuff | 13:22 |
| timeless | hrm, now i can | 13:22 |
| qwerty12 | "Kill as much alien insect motherfuckers as possible." or "Kill as much alien insect bastards as possible." | 13:22 |
| qwerty12 | s/."/." ?/ :) | 13:23 |
| AStorm | ;P | 13:23 |
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| * qwerty12 is only asking because original description of this game uses bastards, but I like motherfuckers more | 13:24 | |
| timeless | hrm | 13:24 |
| timeless | organize doesn't actually *work* | 13:24 |
| timeless | even after you do stuff | 13:24 |
| timeless | does organize assume you're /home/user ? | 13:24 |
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| Stskeeps | entirely plausible | 13:25 |
| timeless | scrobbler needs some English love | 13:25 |
| timeless | how hard is it to spell OK correctly? :( | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | Okaj | 13:25 |
| qwerty12 | 0|< | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:25 |
| * Stskeeps generates a new jffs2 imag | 13:27 | |
| Stskeeps | e | 13:27 |
| AStorm | generate an ubifs one too ;) | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | does it have a mkubifs thing? | 13:28 |
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| Stskeeps | taking in files | 13:28 |
| AStorm | no idea | 13:30 |
| AStorm | can't find the tools, weird | 13:30 |
| timeless | hey | 13:30 |
| timeless | in normal solitaire | 13:30 |
| timeless | can you stick any random card on an open slot? | 13:30 |
| qwerty12 | mkfs.ubifs exists in latest mtd-tools ;) | 13:30 |
| rockydd | why it want scratchbox/.../install? | 13:31 |
| rockydd | make: /scratchbox/tools/bin/install: Command not found | 13:31 |
| qwerty12 | why what wants that? | 13:31 |
| timeless | rockydd: lots of packages are stupid :) | 13:31 |
| timeless | and their owners are ever dumber | 13:31 |
| * timeless grumbles | 13:31 | |
| rockydd | make install want this, how to change | 13:32 |
| timeless | sudo mkdir -p /scartchbox/tools/bin; sudo ln -s /usr/bin /scratchbox/tools/bin | 13:32 |
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| rockydd | that will work | 13:32 |
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| timeless | in theory | 13:33 |
| timeless | dunno about practice | 13:33 |
| timeless | work... | 13:33 |
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| slonopotamus | "election process referendum" | 13:34 |
| slonopotamus | oh my | 13:34 |
| slonopotamus | they'd better write code instead :) | 13:34 |
| Jaffa | Who's "they"? | 13:35 |
| * Jaffa writes plenty of code TVM | 13:35 | |
| Jaffa | Interest in community process isn't incompatible with writing code, y'know. | 13:35 |
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| * Stskeeps watches Mer boot | 13:38 | |
| qwerty12 | Anyone know a sane way for dpkg to install configuration files in /home/user sanely? For roxterm, I did: http://pastebin.com/d65ae24d2 and I still have nightmares | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | ick :P | 13:38 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:40 |
| qwerty12 | morning | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | morning lardman | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-beagle.png :) | 13:41 |
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| wazd | afternoon everybody) | 13:44 |
| qwerty12 | hi wazd | 13:44 |
| RST38h | heya wazd | 13:46 |
| RST38h | wazd: Feel like drawing a cure pixel-perfect picture of TI83 calc? =) | 13:47 |
| RST38h | sorry, TI85 | 13:47 |
| RST38h | s/cure/cute/ ah shit | 13:47 |
| RST38h | qwerty: You can actually use "install" program for that, should work | 13:49 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, why not :) | 13:49 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, but maemo doesn't come with a install program by default and coreutils conflicts :/ | 13:49 |
| slonopotamus | voting on voting process is an extremely interesting thing :) | 13:49 |
| wazd | RST38h: I've almost nothing to do before UI release | 13:49 |
| RST38h | wazd: ok, gimme another few days to update the sources so that they run with the latest EMULib... | 13:50 |
| qwerty12 | slonopotamus, irony at its best :) | 13:50 |
| wazd | whoa, Weather Underground provides XML for... free!!11 | 13:50 |
| RST38h | qwerty: If I understand things correctly, "install" only has to run on the host system when creating a deb file? | 13:50 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12, i wonder how they will split when mer becomes fully functional | 13:51 |
| wazd | omg, can't beleive my eyes) | 13:51 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12, will there be single "maemo community" or "maemo community" and "mer community" | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: mer doesn't exist without maemo, so | 13:52 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, oh, I can install the file into the package but when dpkg installs, I risk having /home/user owned by root but then again, I may be able to run chown without -R... | 13:52 |
| Jaffa | slonopotamus: what's all this "they" stuff? | 13:52 |
| qwerty12 | slonopotamus, I'm not really part of either but I can't imagine Mer splitting seeing as it plans on using a lot of stuff from Fremantle | 13:52 |
| qwerty12 | s/plans/uses | 13:52 |
| aquatix | wazd: whoa | 13:52 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12: and what of "it" are you not part of? | 13:53 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, closed software? everything else can happily live without maemo | 13:53 |
| aquatix | wazd: that wasn't free first right? | 13:53 |
| * Jaffa is very confused by some of these statements | 13:53 | |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: i guess it's how you define maemo really | 13:53 |
| wazd | aquatix: yep | 13:53 |
| Jaffa | slonopotamus: given that Maemo Software is the primary developer of Hildon, I think you're might be a little off | 13:53 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: ok, to claridy things, you are either "they" or "it". | 13:53 |
| wazd | aquatix: just came to them in search of free sources and license agreements) | 13:53 |
| slonopotamus | Jaffa, do you separate Maemo Software and Maemo Distro? | 13:53 |
| qwerty12 | Jaffa, the community :) | 13:54 |
| Jaffa | slonopotamus: To an extent. But the thread is about the maemo.org community, and given that houses Mer, I fail to see what you're driving towards. | 13:54 |
| * RST38h cackles evilly | 13:54 | |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12, i use gcc. it doesn't mean i'm part of anything. | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i'd say you're participating and doing active community work, but hey :P | 13:54 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12: In what way are you *not* part of the community? You contribute to #maemo, you're prolific on ITT, ... | 13:54 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12: why do you think you're not part of the community? | 13:55 |
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| slonopotamus | Jaffa, "they" = people who claim to be in maemo community | 13:55 |
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| qwerty12 | Jaffa, dunno, I contribute to ITT but I get the feeling that that's it | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: it's also how you define community. i mean, are you part of wikipedia community when you edit a page once in a while? | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | (i'd say so, cos you are learning the practices of the community) | 13:56 |
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| Jaffa | qwerty12: You're here practically all the time, you're on ITT a lot, you're in the community whether you think you are or not | 13:57 |
| Jaffa | For the record: the Maemo Community can be thought, roughly, as everyone here: http://maemo.org/profile/list/, everyone who's subscribed to a maemo-* mailing list and everyone who regularly reads/visits/posts/has an account on ITT | 13:58 |
| Jaffa | Oh, and everyone who's semi-active on #maemo | 13:58 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 13:58 |
| * RST38h has got flashbacks to soviet times now | 13:58 | |
| Stskeeps | comrade qwerty12 | 13:58 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12: given you're in the top 10 in that list, you must've done something in the community to get it :) | 13:59 |
| slonopotamus | Jaffa, can't sort by nickname :( | 13:59 |
| * slonopotamus wonders if he is on the list | 13:59 | |
| Jaffa | http://maemo.org/profile/view/slonopotamus/ | 13:59 |
| slonopotamus | oh my | 13:59 |
| Jaffa | So, probably on page 30-40, at a guess. | 14:00 |
| RST38h | low ranking party member indeed | 14:00 |
| slonopotamus | can i leave somehow? | 14:02 |
| RST38h | no. | 14:02 |
| slonopotamus | woops | 14:02 |
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| wazd | I have 144 :) oh my :) | 14:05 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: sorry for the lag, cool, working on the Beagle :) | 14:08 |
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| Stskeeps | lardman: i don't own a powered usb hub or a usb host enabler, sadly, so can't test kbd | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | ~seen kozak | 14:11 |
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| infobot | kozak <i=cbc8c84a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-43a88983d50b3e90> was last seen on IRC in channel #android, 81d 3h 12m 18s ago, saying: 'thanks'. | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | eh | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | ~seen kosak | 14:11 |
| infobot | kosak <i=faustpat@201.243.246.34> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 225d 14h 40m 43s ago, saying: 'hello people'. | 14:11 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: powered hub is cheap | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but i just don't have one :) | 14:12 |
| zeenix | i so hate this thumbs-up and thumbs-down in p.m.o . People who just say something nice about Maemo get thumbs-up | 14:12 |
| zeenix | or just say anything | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | zeenix: i actually read the posts i thumbs up :P | 14:12 |
| zeenix | Stskeeps: heh! i wasn't talking of anyone particular | 14:13 |
| zeenix | Stskeeps: there is no way of knowing anyways | 14:13 |
| * Jaffa also thumbs up anything he might want to read later (it *is* a favouriting system) | 14:13 | |
| Jaffa | zeenix: Have you got specific complaints? [texrat was moaning similarly recently] | 14:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It's Maemo.org for Maemo, surely you weren't hoping that there would be no favouritism :) | 14:14 |
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| zeenix | Jaffa: dude! i have had a bug about it | 14:14 |
| zeenix | Jaffa: which did some good: the karma doesn't go below 0 anymore :) | 14:14 |
| Jaffa | zeenix: I know you did, just wondering what prompted a resurgence about it ;-) | 14:15 |
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| zeenix | Jaffa: just reading through p.g.o . It's not personal anymore | 14:16 |
| zeenix | :) | 14:16 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: moving nit-kernel-compat to 100% | 14:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, w00t | 14:24 |
| lardman | X-Fade: ping | 14:24 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, is apt still being a pain? | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: yes | 14:24 |
| X-Fade | lardman: pong | 14:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | eurgh | 14:25 |
| w00t | qwerty12_N800: hmm? | 14:25 |
| lardman | X-Fade: just out of interest, have the midgard updates been implemented yet? | 14:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | w00t, change your nick :) | 14:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :P | 14:25 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Yes. | 14:26 |
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| lardman | hmm, I'm still lacking | 14:26 |
| lardman | in karma that is | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i'm waiting for iTT karma too :P | 14:26 |
| lardman | no, discussion karma I mean | 14:26 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: you should have it if your ITT account is linked to from your maemo.org profile | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: it is, with url :P | 14:27 |
| lardman | I have 44 now (I had 38 yesterday, interesting, no emails in the meantime) but have sent >220 emails, the majority to -devel and -users | 14:27 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: is there a bug open? | 14:27 |
| lardman | X-Fade: shall I reopen this bug? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3692 | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: no, so i should stop complaining ;) | 14:28 |
| Jaffa | lardman: it's possible it's doing a recount, AIUI it recounts from scratch and could be only half way through at any single time. Mmmm, ACID doesn't count here | 14:28 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: or raise a bug ;-) | 14:28 |
| X-Fade | lardman: If it doesn't work for you, you should :) | 14:28 |
| lardman | Jaffa: well it will just keep the old value until it's recounted surely | 14:28 |
| lardman | X-Fade: is there a better bug to reopen? | 14:28 |
| Jaffa | lardman: from what I heard, no. Which is crazy. | 14:28 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: really?! | 14:29 |
| lardman | X-Fade: is that right, karma is updated as it's counted? | 14:29 |
| Jaffa | lardman: I hope I'm misremembering. | 14:29 |
| Jaffa | Or it's been changed. | 14:29 |
| X-Fade | lardman: No.. | 14:29 |
| X-Fade | It gets recounted every time the run passes over your account. | 14:29 |
| X-Fade | But it adds all the karma parts together at the same time.. | 14:30 |
| lardman | ok, but the running total isn't displayed until it's finished the count I presume? | 14:30 |
| lardman | has the -community karma just been added in? /me is wondering why his discussion karma has gone up 6 points since yesterday | 14:30 |
| X-Fade | lardman: A few ms difference perhaps. But certainly not more. | 14:30 |
| lardman | X-Fade: cool | 14:30 |
| X-Fade | lardman: No -community is not in there. | 14:30 |
| lardman | hmm, still weird things going on then | 14:31 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Is there a bug to get -community in there? And are you aware of an ITT bug for what Stskeeps is describing (no karma contribution showing up for anything ITT related despite having a valid member URL) | 14:31 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Yep, complain in that bug as something is not ok.. | 14:31 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Yes there is a bug for -community. I filed it. | 14:31 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3911 | 14:32 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: with an election looming, these bugs would be good to get ironed out :) | 14:32 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah, juggling with time ;) New styling, bugs.. hmmmmm.. | 14:32 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: indeed, it's a good job there're lots of full time people working on maemo.org :) | 14:33 |
| lardman | Jaffa: yeah, that's what made me check again | 14:33 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: when you've raised your bug, can you let me know? | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: trying to see if addding a www. in front of url helps | 14:34 |
| X-Fade | I'll try recounting lardman's karma. Let's see what it gives.. | 14:35 |
| lardman | right, I've re-opened https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3692 | 14:35 |
| lardman | thanks X-Fade | 14:35 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Simon Pickering (karma: 368.75 comments: 4 favourites: 1.75 buries: 0 blogs: 4 products: 0 discussion: 44 groups: 57 bugzilla_reported: 68 bugzilla_comments: 7 itt_thanks: 139 itt_posts: 31 mediawiki_edits: 13) | 14:37 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Carsten Munk (karma: 256.75 comments: 0 favourites: 9 buries: 0.75 blogs: 0 products: 0 discussion: 6 groups: 18 bugzilla_reported: 16 bugzilla_comments: 4 itt_thanks: 146 itt_posts: 16 mediawiki_edits: 41) | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | k, ta | 14:39 |
| X-Fade | That are karma values, not the raw number of course. | 14:39 |
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| lardman | well what's the discussion multiplier? | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | itt_thanks=146 is determined by how many times i've thanked? | 14:40 |
| X-Fade | lardman: 1 iirc. | 14:40 |
| lardman | ok, so I have ~200 emails that should have been counted | 14:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, i'm waiting on you to approve my joining of Mer Committers. i thought knowing the admin on irc may help ;) | 14:40 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: no, how many thanks you've received (multiplied by karma weighting) | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: k | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: LightGreen'ing hildon-plugins-settings btw | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | and moving the bug into seperate item | 14:41 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: sqrt(thanks) * weight ;) | 14:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, ok, sounds good :) | 14:41 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: approved | 14:41 |
| X-Fade | Lunch! bbl | 14:42 |
| lardman | escape! | 14:42 |
| timeless | jaffa: do you remember what product i wanted to add to bugs.maemo? :( | 14:43 |
| johnx_ | load-monitor? | 14:45 |
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| Stskeeps | load-applet | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | and morning johnx_ | 14:46 |
| johnx_ | mornin' | 14:46 |
| * Stskeeps waits for the more correct beagleboard image to build | 14:47 | |
| * johnx_ has the flu, probably won't be very productive next couple days | 14:47 | |
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| Stskeeps | hehe, my productivity is 50% down with gf home and studies back :P | 14:47 |
| aquatix | :) | 14:47 |
| johnx_ | probably just work and sleep for me | 14:47 |
| wazd | hey johnx_ :) | 14:48 |
| * RST38h now believes into "two weeks before RX-51" rumor. | 14:48 | |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: how come? | 14:48 |
| RST38h | Sts: http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/03/toshiba-tg01-with-4-1-inch-wvga-touchscreen-a-worlds-first-sna/ | 14:48 |
| wazd | http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=ypycpKQxXR0 <--- Jezuz, MS are totaly geniuz guys xD | 14:48 |
| RST38h | At least, it will have to be *announced* (like N97) | 14:48 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx_: i kinda want to try and put mer on http://www.pocketables.net/2009/02/viliv-s5-mid-coming-to-us-in-march-with-haptic-feedback.html | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | then again, it's probably next project after my Mer-table.. | 14:51 |
| johnx_ | ah, I keep looking at cheap psion teklogix netbook pros | 14:52 |
| johnx_ | anyways, back to work for now | 14:52 |
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| Stskeeps | hf | 14:53 |
| wazd | Is snapdragon actually cooler than omap3?) | 14:53 |
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| Stskeeps | PXA272 was armv5? | 14:56 |
| RST38h | wazd: About the same | 14:57 |
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| wazd | I lkie that "3D UI (User interface)!!11" banner in the top-right) | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:05 |
| wazd | It's like Toshiba is some chineese manufacturer with Nokla) | 15:05 |
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| wazd | There should be mp8 support and "blututh" sign) | 15:05 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i'm gonna put mer on a pocket loox 720! | 15:06 |
| * Stskeeps gets out the straightjacket icon | 15:06 | |
| wazd | Stskeeps: ah, I had one, nice PPC :) | 15:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, woah, maybe i'll have a use for mine now :D | 15:06 |
| wazd | But it was stolen and I bought n800 :) | 15:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | wazd, I still got my 720 :D | 15:06 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N800: bastard :) | 15:07 |
| RST38h | wazd: There is really one drawback in that Toshiba | 15:07 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I stole from some person in Moscow :) | 15:07 |
| RST38h | Unfortunately, this drawback is WindowMobile, which makes it unusable | 15:07 |
| lcuk | lol qwerty12_N800 | 15:08 |
| wazd | RST38h: If manufacturer places "smooth transitions between apps" on the front page of the ad - it has nothing else to show | 15:08 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N800: >:-D | 15:08 |
| RST38h | wazd: It is WinMobile. Crooked to begin with. | 15:08 |
| lcuk | why not - you know they have nothing if they DONT say something about how sliq their ui is | 15:08 |
| RST38h | wazd: Whatever you do to it, isn't going to make it better. | 15:08 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: TG01 unveiling at the MWC makes you think Nokia'll unveil RX-51 as well? | 15:09 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Yep | 15:09 |
| wazd | Jaffa: I think so too actually :) | 15:09 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: At least in image, like N97 | 15:09 |
| * Jaffa wonders if the capacitive screen in the RX-51 could enable multitouch (that Engadget story quoted Nokia saying "touchscreen *devices*" | 15:09 | |
| * Jaffa does too, FWIW. | 15:09 | |
| Jaffa | Might be wishful thinking, but they need to build some hype up. | 15:09 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: There are captive screens that can do that. | 15:10 |
| * RST38h read that capacitive touchscreens have low precision | 15:10 | |
| wazd | Jaffa: well, I thought RX-51 would have resistive TS | 15:10 |
| Jaffa | wazd: Yes, sorry - I got it wrong | 15:10 |
| RST38h | So, I would almost bet on RX-51 having resistive screen | 15:10 |
| X-Fade | EHm resistive screens that can do that.. | 15:10 |
| RST38h | Or Hildon won't work | 15:10 |
| Jaffa | Can *resistive* screens somehow do multitouch | 15:10 |
| roope | rx51 has a resistive screen. | 15:10 |
| Jaffa | roope: sorry, I had a disconnect between brain & fingers | 15:11 |
| wazd | anyone else wants to tell that RX-51 would have a resistive touchscreen?)) | 15:11 |
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| X-Fade | wazd: Source code indicated resistive. | 15:11 |
| qgil | rx51 has a resistive screen. | 15:11 |
| roope | jaffa: not really, since ... well. Well. you can try launching sketch and playing with two fingers at the same time. | 15:11 |
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| roope | it draws in between the two finger points. | 15:12 |
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| Jaffa | roope: indeed, seen lcuk's playing with that effect in liqbase | 15:12 |
| qgil | I cant talk bout hardware | 15:12 |
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| X-Fade | qwerty12_N800, wazd: please don't do that. | 15:12 |
| wazd | :D | 15:12 |
| X-Fade | This gets logged. | 15:12 |
| Jaffa | Naughty boys | 15:12 |
| roope | Of course you could do a uberhack and see that ... well. Another input, suddenly very far away frmo the first input. No human can move the finger so fast. | 15:12 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: GOOD. | 15:12 |
| lcuk | but if you use it for a fixed starting point (like for instance a SHIFT key) then you *can* give the full multitouch experience without being too flashy ;) | 15:12 |
| timeless | johnx: ping | 15:12 |
| timeless | sts: ping | 15:12 |
| roope | And then perhaps say = ahaa, he put another finger on the screen. | 15:12 |
| timeless | sts: try installing Hebrew in Mer | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: pong | 15:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | eurgh damn. | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: er. | 15:12 |
| timeless | i don't think it knows how to reboot | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: it shouldn't | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:12 |
| timeless | from the diablo extras or something | 15:12 |
| timeless | well, it tried very hard | 15:13 |
| timeless | and it gave me the OS update strings | 15:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | for the record, that wasn't the real qgil. it was me & wazd | 15:13 |
| timeless | kinda amusing | 15:13 |
| wazd | X-Fade: Well, I told exactly the thing Quim always tells (and does it right) :) | 15:13 |
| timeless | s/told/said/ | 15:13 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: isn't Mer on the Viliv S5 just the x86 version? | 15:13 |
| lcuk | roope, its not halfway either - it has to account for pressure differential between fingers and with extremely slight variations the hot zone varies wildly | 15:13 |
| aquatix | i'd say so | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: probably. | 15:13 |
| roope | lcuk: yup, it's quite wacky. | 15:14 |
| lcuk | you can test and confirm directly in liqbase ;) | 15:14 |
| roope | I was working kind of on that issue also when I was working on the stylus vs. finger detection. | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: ironic fact. artwork for loox is dolphins.. in water | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | this device is -made- for mer | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:14 |
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| lcuk | DONT GO IN THE WATER : FISH SHIT IN IT | 15:15 |
| lcuk | :P | 15:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, hehe, no need to remind me - i used to see it a lot after rebooting :p | 15:15 |
| timeless | sts: what was i supposed to ping johnx about? | 15:15 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: I remember some poorly drawn dolphins) | 15:15 |
| timeless | logout out of the session? | 15:15 |
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| roope | What I personalyl find interesting about the Android release is that it looks like they are planning to get the same release working in a mobile phone and in a netbook form factor. | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: h-d-e, but i patched this already | 15:16 |
| timeless | fsck | 15:16 |
| lcuk | roope, they arent the only ones :) | 15:16 |
| timeless | diablo doesn't have dpkg-reconfigure! | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: nor debconf | 15:16 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Nope. | 15:16 |
| timeless | ok, so... | 15:16 |
| * timeless frowns | 15:16 | |
| Jaffa | roope: chinook would've been great for netbooks ;-) | 15:16 |
| timeless | ok, so, if i hang h-a-m | 15:16 |
| timeless | roope: where are you physically? | 15:17 |
| roope | At home. Sick. | 15:17 |
| timeless | oh bother | 15:17 |
| timeless | get well soon | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | roope: i think some of the hildon desktop layouts may be useful on netbooks | 15:17 |
| timeless | so, application manager doesn't like me | 15:17 |
| roope | I'm going to see the doctor. 38.6 fever and rising. I just love feeling like cr... like a carp. | 15:17 |
| timeless | aren't fish cold blooded? | 15:18 |
| timeless | it can't be that warm inside ;-b | 15:18 |
| lcuk | jaffa, chinook had too many binaries - mer on the other hand is being built as sane standard core with specific bits ontop | 15:18 |
| lcuk | it should be as happy on arm as it is x86 | 15:18 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: yeah, I meant in terms of how it was in no way very useful for finger touches :) | 15:18 |
| lcuk | lolol | 15:18 |
| Jaffa | (in general) | 15:18 |
| * lcuk agrees | 15:19 | |
| Jaffa | Diablo took us in a more finger friendly direction (sub-optimally and inconsistently) but if that was necessary to get us to shiny goodness in fremantle and harmattan, so be it :) | 15:19 |
| * Jaffa wants shiny new itchy hardware. | 15:19 | |
| timeless | ok, so obviously my current forjx is bad | 15:19 |
| timeless | people w/ diablo shouldn't bother trying :( | 15:19 |
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| lcuk | mmmm shiny hardware | 15:20 |
| lcuk | but you should put some cream on for the itching | 15:21 |
| roope | shiny leaves fingerprints. | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | screen protectors are a godsend. | 15:21 |
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| Stskeeps | mine is dirty as fuck but i dont see it | 15:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | shiny means you can wear it on your neck as jewellery. | 15:21 |
| lardman|home | official flash images use same one for n800 & n810 don't they? | 15:22 |
| lcuk | the worse feeling in the world is taking stylus across a screen and suddenly feeling the tiny bit of drag as you catch some grit and leave a 5mm scratch over your tracks :'( | 15:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman|home, different images | 15:22 |
| lardman|home | qwerty12_N800: really? Same name though? | 15:22 |
| lardman|home | ah, RX-nn | 15:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman|home, both will flash fine on each other with forcing but you have things like wrong docs etc | 15:23 |
| lardman|home | ok, thanks | 15:23 |
| lardman|home | I've not flashed my n800 for a long while | 15:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | what's your secret? :) | 15:23 |
| lardman|home | why I've not flashed it? | 15:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | how you've managed to not need a reflash | 15:24 |
| lardman|home | wasn't using it for much | 15:25 |
| lardman|home | n810 is day-to-day machine | 15:25 |
| aquatix | lcuk: :(( | 15:27 |
| aquatix | lcuk: another reason to use my grubby fingers ;) | 15:27 |
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| lcuk | aquatix, ive got used to the feeling now but dread it happening | 15:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, wouldn't maemo guys have ran into the apt issue at one point? | 15:29 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i think they did | 15:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, they did. mmap.patch | 15:30 |
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| Jaffa | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/02/first-look-the-maemo-5-multimedia-framework.ars | 15:32 |
| lardman|home | they must have never thought how someone would say that url | 15:32 |
| lardman|home | the end that is | 15:32 |
| Jaffa | Americans | 15:33 |
| lardman|home | blah.aas | 15:33 |
| lardman|home | what device is that a picture of? | 15:34 |
| lcuk | arse end of the 810w | 15:34 |
| lcuk | i remember the big butt from linuxtag | 15:34 |
| Jaffa | N810W | 15:34 |
| lardman|home | ars-end please! | 15:34 |
| Jaffa | Wot he said | 15:34 |
| lardman|home | :) | 15:34 |
| lardman|home | cheers chaps | 15:34 |
| lcuk | lol | 15:34 |
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| lcuk | though why they show gratuitous ars shots i dunno - i suppose it just makes lardman happy :P | 15:35 |
| lardman|home | no, just wondering if I'd missed the n900 announcement ;) | 15:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 15:36 |
| lcuk | "Heres our shiny new device, but we aren't gonna show you the front - we will just let you see its battery compartment" | 15:37 |
| Jaffa | lardman|lunch: It'll be the Nokia 4Eva, and accompany an announcement that all bugs will - in future - only be fixed in Fremantle. | 15:38 |
| lcuk | then a few days later we see pap shots with the flap lifted slightly | 15:38 |
| roope | Just wait until we start to mark fixed in Harmattan. ;) | 15:38 |
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| timeless | roope: didn't we start already? | 15:38 |
| roope | Perhaps for some issues. | 15:38 |
| lcuk | *RX-503: added stannah stairlift | 15:39 |
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| lardman|home | nah, coffee maker first | 15:39 |
| lcuk | portable? we would need a big warning label | 15:40 |
| lcuk | nokia miracle fuel cell technology, runs on the finest coffee beans | 15:40 |
| RST38h | RX-52 will be a photo frame. | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: that's development you're thinking of | 15:40 |
| * RST38h hides | 15:40 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:40 |
| lcuk | ahhh RST38h so we FINALLY work out the real purpose for the kickstand | 15:41 |
| RST38h | kickstand will not be foldable and will be integral part of the case | 15:41 |
| lcuk | does it come with grandma perfume dispensor ? | 15:42 |
| lcuk | use the light sensor to tell when you waved hand over it and squirt out a waft of finnish sauna air | 15:42 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Accessory PD-3G! | 15:42 |
| * lcuk chokes | 15:42 | |
| lcuk | ahhhh, so thats not in the box | 15:43 |
| lardman|home | I was trying to put together my car mount this morning, and I see they've given me the wrong screw | 15:44 |
| lardman|home | s/screw/bolt | 15:44 |
| lcuk | no, you've got the wrong car | 15:44 |
| lardman|home | (me was reminded seeing the random code names for the parts) | 15:44 |
| lcuk | accessory PC-42M | 15:44 |
| lcuk | ;) | 15:44 |
| lcuk | as rst would say :P | 15:44 |
| lardman|home | damn, will have to go trade it in then | 15:45 |
| lardman|home | GStreamer gurus? | 15:46 |
| lardman|home | Can I change bits of the UI from a bus callback, or is that a no-no? | 15:46 |
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| lardman|home | hmm, I think that should be ok actually | 15:46 |
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| lcuk | depends what you want to change, ive been asked in the past why a program was failing in events - the event code closed down the container it was sat on.. | 15:47 |
| lardman|home | just updating a label, but after that happens nothing else responds | 15:47 |
| RST38h | should be ok although it will only update it when you get to event loop | 15:48 |
| lcuk | but the gtk ui might be using hte label text at the time | 15:48 |
| lardman|home | ok, so it must be returning to the event loop for it to display the new text, which it does | 15:48 |
| lardman|home | lcuk: I don't think that's an issue here | 15:48 |
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| lcuk | lol lardman - that sits like "here watch this, just hold my beer for a minute" | 15:49 |
| timeless | lcuk/sts/qwerty:ok, the latest forjx actually installs on my device :) | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: hehe, scary :) | 15:50 |
| lcuk | whats forjx? | 15:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | timeless, woot :) | 15:51 |
| lcuk | vanishing - bbl | 15:56 |
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| * timeless tests Sounds | 16:28 | |
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| timsamoff | timeless: BOOM! | 16:30 |
| rockydd | No rule to make target `ruby.h', needed by `sqlite3_api_wrap.o'. Stop. | 16:30 |
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| Jaffa | lo timsamoff | 16:30 |
| lardman|home | does anyone know if a GStreamer pipeline will automatically close down if its data is dropped for more than X number of frames? In my case 3 frames | 16:31 |
| rockydd | I am trying to gem install sqlite3-ruby | 16:31 |
| rockydd | I do have ruby.h, but seems that the make can't find it | 16:31 |
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| wazd | timsamoff: hello) | 16:41 |
| timsamoff | Hola. | 16:41 |
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| * slonopotamus likes freebsd make. $ make tea -> Don't know how to make tea. Stop. | 16:45 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ~make ganja | 16:46 |
| infobot | make: *** No rule to make target `ganja'. Stop. | 16:46 |
| timsamoff | Anyone not able to start the latest SDK w/ Xephyr? I get half of the Hildon UI, but the rest of the screen is blank/unusable. | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | timsamoff: yeah, they don't start matchbox-window-manager | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | (for one) | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | speaking of pre-alpha2? | 16:47 |
| timsamoff | Yes. | 16:47 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, it's a tad broken for devel work | 16:48 |
| timsamoff | Ah. Ok. I saw screengrabs of Alpha1, so was it working (I never installed it). | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | yerga's stuff was with inserted matchbox initialization | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | if you want to test the widgets, Mer has them :P | 16:49 |
| timsamoff | Hehe. | 16:49 |
| timsamoff | Thanks for the info. And, for the record... Mer is coming along so friggin' nicely. Good work. | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | we'll see where it ends up :P | 16:51 |
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| * Stskeeps is trying to port Mer onto a pocket loox 720 | 16:53 | |
| * r2d2rogers is waiting to see if nm-applet will connect to something | 16:54 | |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: if it fails, try out wifi-radar | 16:54 |
| r2d2rogers | wilco | 16:54 |
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| r2d2rogers | do we have anything for setting screen dim intervals? | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | dsme-tools doesnt do the job? | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | jsut edit the init.d for dsme-tools (for now) | 16:55 |
| r2d2rogers | haven't played with it yet ;) | 16:55 |
| r2d2rogers | thanks | 16:55 |
| * qwerty12_N800 laughs as his bit of code actually works 0_o | 16:56 | |
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| slonopotamus | qwerty12_N800, beware of code that laughs at you and pretends working | 16:58 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 16:58 |
| wazd | I wonder. How Nokia will solve the problem that VM doesn't have any 3D acceleration for images) | 16:58 |
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| timsamoff | wazd: I'm ignorant, but does Clutter solve some of this innately? | 16:59 |
| wazd | Will new UI work fine with SW render | 16:59 |
| Jaffa | wazd: which VM? Nokia have never shipped a VM for development; only Scratchbox (officially) | 17:00 |
| wazd | timsamoff: I don't know, I'm really far away from linux tech :) | 17:00 |
| Jaffa | wazd: should do, although it'd be slow on an ARM; not so slow on a beefy desktop | 17:00 |
| wazd | Jaffa: Aw, I was talking bout VMWare | 17:00 |
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| X-Fade | wazd: vmware has 3d accel support. | 17:01 |
| wazd | X-Fade: On windows - nope | 17:01 |
| X-Fade | wazd: Problem is that we need opengl-es.. | 17:01 |
| wazd | X-Fade: Doesn't worked for me with Ubuntu | 17:01 |
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| X-Fade | wazd: vmware should have opengl and directx support. | 17:02 |
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| wazd | X-Fade: well, I've done all the stuff described in readme but nothing happened | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | wazd: http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vee.pdf | 17:03 |
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| X-Fade | wazd: http://pubs.vmware.com/ws6_ace2/ws/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/wwhelp.htm?context=ws&file=ws_vidsound_d3d_enabling_guestos.html | 17:04 |
| X-Fade | Anyway Opengl should not be a problem. OpenGL-ES might be tricky.. | 17:05 |
| kessu | hi, is youtube slower in os2007 than os2008 (n800) ? looks like it but is it possible? | 17:06 |
| timsamoff | kessu: Yes, for sure. | 17:07 |
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| wazd | X-Fade: thanks, I'll try that | 17:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | older flash & the processor runs at 330 in os2007 afaik | 17:07 |
| kessu | timsamoff: thanks | 17:07 |
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| X-Fade | timsamoff: Otherwise it would be a serious regression ;) | 17:09 |
| timsamoff | Ha! | 17:09 |
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| wazd | http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/21957/NEWS-21957-29b4b08a488a184d3f26c2b158fb75ef.jpg#image | 17:13 |
| wazd | New Toshiba pda gallery | 17:13 |
| timsamoff | wazd: Looks pretty slick. | 17:15 |
| lcuk | x-fade, for clutter dev you just need normal linux desktop (but make sure its a fast one, my ibm lenovo is poor at renderering even simple scenes at 1.4ghz) | 17:16 |
| lcuk | for actual ogl-es stuff you need specific devices | 17:16 |
| RST38h | magenta+orange+blue=puke | 17:17 |
| timsamoff | RST38h: But, easy to navigate... Maybe those colors are customizable...? In any case, I don't see portrait mode. Hmmm. | 17:19 |
| RST38h | timsamoff: it is a single app on top of WinMobile 6.x | 17:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | timsamoff, winmo has had rotation since wm2003se, be a pita if they removed it in winmo 6 :) | 17:20 |
| RST38h | timsamoff: i.e. it does not get any better underneath | 17:20 |
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| * RST38h hopes someone hacks this thing to run a usable software stack | 17:21 | |
| roope | things like the htc touch are really... the harder they try to put up a cool UI on top, the worse the winmo below it starts to feel. | 17:21 |
| lcuk | RST38h, a web browser is also just a single app ontop of any OS - look at the value it brings | 17:21 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Look at the IE Mobile browser included with that Toshiba or HTC Touch | 17:21 |
| RST38h | lcuk: After you finish talking to the toilet bowl, let us know about the value it brought =) | 17:22 |
| lcuk | cant you get a webkit browser for these things nowadays? | 17:22 |
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| RST38h | Guess so, as a third party app | 17:22 |
| roope | There's the fennec pre-alpha -something for winmo now. | 17:22 |
| aquatix | lcuk: sure, or fennec | 17:22 |
| timsamoff | roope: Thankfully, I haven't used winmo in many many years. :) | 17:22 |
| aquatix | timsamoff: make that "never" ;) | 17:22 |
| roope | Then again, Fennec. Ugh. | 17:22 |
| aquatix | roope: hehe | 17:22 |
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| aquatix | why did they have to use such a kiddy OS on seemingly nice hardware? | 17:23 |
| lcuk | RST38h, there is actually one niceish (though slow) thing for winmo :compact .net as much as i hated dev in it i can see the benefits especially for a microsoft shop | 17:24 |
| aquatix | that TG01 would look rather nice with some maemo-based phone OS | 17:24 |
| roope | I shouldn't probably say nasty things about Fennec, and then again, I have nothing really positive to say about their UI, so ... I can't say anything. :) | 17:24 |
| timsamoff | Silence is golden. :p | 17:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lies | 17:25 |
| timsamoff | If it worked like it was supposed to... Maybe something. | 17:25 |
| roope | If it worked like it's supposed to work, it's still ... clumsier to access functions using dragging gestures than simply tapping buttons. | 17:26 |
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| roope | Say you want to zoom into to a couple of pages and switch tabs between them easily. Good luck! | 17:26 |
| lcuk | whilst we are burning paradigms, can we get rid of tap n hold? | 17:26 |
| timsamoff | roope: True, but... They're thinking outside the box in some regards -- which sometimes just take time to get used to,. But, overall, I agree. | 17:27 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: And replace it with what? tripple-click? | 17:27 |
| timsamoff | If I can't click something four times, forget it. | 17:27 |
| roope | Tap and hold is rarely used, but ... Then again. It has its minor uses. | 17:28 |
| lcuk | well for a start - it would be nice to have a global default configurable: tapnhold, double tap, shift tap | 17:28 |
| roope | As long it's not for mandatory functions, it's kind of like meh. | 17:28 |
| timsamoff | If t/h was more responsive, I'd want more of it. | 17:28 |
| X-Fade | try to click exacly at the same spot while walking. Pretty hard.. | 17:28 |
| roope | Double tap is a much harder idea. Double tap implies that you cannot really do much after a single tap. That you must have a waiting timeout whether another tap comnes. | 17:28 |
| lcuk | try to hold it in same place and same happens - but you slip | 17:28 |
| roope | (unless it's like double tap to zoom in, where the first tap doesn't actually do anything). | 17:29 |
| wazd | http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/02/03/toshiba-tg01-hands-on-photo-fest/ | 17:29 |
| wazd | more Toshiba photos | 17:29 |
| timsamoff | wazd is spamming us! :p Hehe. | 17:30 |
| roope | Putting lipstick on a pig. | 17:30 |
| RST38h | lcuk: slow though | 17:30 |
| wazd | timsamoff: yep :P | 17:31 |
| wazd | well, it's damn slim) | 17:31 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Well, Nokia recently got a patent for sensing where your fingers are on the back of the device. | 17:31 |
| RST38h | roppe: MS said they are "reducing the license availability" for WindowsMobile | 17:31 |
| timsamoff | roope is talking about Sarah Palin now?! | 17:31 |
| timsamoff | :p | 17:31 |
| wazd | http://www.electricpig.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/img_6530.jpg | 17:31 |
| X-Fade | Thatcan be used as a modifier for the clicj. | 17:31 |
| X-Fade | *click | 17:31 |
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| RST38h | roope: With the goal of moving it to more high end products | 17:31 |
| roope | It's an interesting thing. Winmo 7 should be good. | 17:32 |
| lcuk | x-fade | 17:32 |
| * lcuk missed his comment | 17:32 | |
| * RST38h , meanwhile, thanks Steve Jobs for whipping everybody's asses into producing *decent* mobile hardware | 17:32 | |
| lcuk | cool, make sure you let lardman know, he likes touching the backend | 17:32 |
| lcuk | but ive gotta vanish again | 17:33 |
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| timsamoff | lcuk lol | 17:33 |
| * Stskeeps watches ubuntu boot on the pocket loox \o/ | 17:33 | |
| * aquatix makes a smart-ass remark about liking to touch his gf's backend | 17:33 | |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: lol | 17:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, fuck yes. | 17:34 |
| aquatix | ubuntu netthing edition? | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | aquatix: soon Mer! | 17:34 |
| aquatix | nice | 17:34 |
| aquatix | loox is vga? | 17:34 |
| aquatix | or is it the 320x240 one? | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/zImage if you want to play | 17:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | aquatix, yeah, it can go into vga | 17:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, I'll have to get a charger first :) | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: and http://rafb.net/p/a2ePj623.html as startup.txt for haret | 17:35 |
| * timsamoff gotsta go watch the seminar that John Ressig gave to Yahoo! about DOM code. | 17:35 | |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: hehe | 17:35 |
| * timsamoff says "farewell." | 17:35 | |
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| * johnx feels kinda like death warmed over | 17:36 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, when you hard-reset, i presume winmo pops back? | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: yes | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | annoying but so it goes | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | it's 2.6.26 though | 17:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, you should send solca a loox in that case... | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | i am kinda worried about the battery on this loox though | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | like, the battery has bumps | 17:39 |
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| Stskeeps | prolly from standing in sun for 2 years | 17:40 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: about to explode? | 17:40 |
| aquatix | ick | 17:40 |
| wazd | http://www.wepc.com/ <--- that reminds me something) | 17:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | my one was a bit like that | 17:40 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: beagleboard port and Pocket Loox 720 in a day :> | 17:40 |
| RST38h | wazd: what are they selling? | 17:41 |
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| RST38h | Oh, they are selling new maemo.org website design! | 17:41 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: did it have a Linux port already which you could bootstrap over, or are you some form of ARM Linux porting genius now? | 17:41 |
| oli | how to re-start browserd, killed via ssh ;) | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: in this case there was a kernel, had to enable EABI, and bam :P | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | then ubuntu userland worked | 17:42 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: lots of photos on Mer/About in the gallery, please :) | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: i will :P should take my camera into work | 17:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oli, /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon restart | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: anyway, it's just to show that mer can be put in a lot of different places :P | 17:42 |
| oli | qwerty12_N800: thanks ;) | 17:42 |
| Jaffa | True, but we should talk about that on Mer/About | 17:42 |
| milhouse | any sign of the Freemantle equivalent of Sardine? | 17:42 |
| RST38h | Sts: Mer for PocketPCs! | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | milhouse: huh? :P | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: it is a pocket pc. it says so. | 17:43 |
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| milhouse | Alpha build of Freemantle for the devices - thought it was suggested/promised by Quim | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | milhouse: think it's alpha SDK you're thinking of | 17:43 |
| milhouse | bugger, so nothing for devices? | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | Mer uses fremantle alpha SDK components | 17:43 |
| Jaffa | ...and Mer can run on many devices (including 770, N8x0 etc.) | 17:44 |
| milhouse | I guess that would make sense as Freemantle isn't supported by our OMAP2 hardware | 17:44 |
| * milhouse duh | 17:44 | |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: does it actually get to a working desktop on 770? | 17:44 |
| Jaffa | milhouse: s/Free/Fre/ | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: yes, now it does | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | we had sapwood problems before | 17:44 |
| milhouse | @Jaffa: Sorry! :) | 17:44 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: and the shiny fremantle widgets all kinetically scroll nicely? | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: no clue, don't own a 770 | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | ask r2d2rogers :) | 17:44 |
| Jaffa | Well, me neither. No reason they shouldn't. | 17:44 |
| Jaffa | That's very cool. | 17:45 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, very cool RE: getting loox and beagle booting. I guess I'll have to try and catch up to you now :) | 17:47 |
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| * Jaffa just got a Product Flash from expansys on the N810: down to 179.99ukp | 17:48 | |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: you have some fancy refridgerator? | 17:48 |
| aquatix | Jaffa: whoa | 17:48 |
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| aquatix | that's like, 170 EUR | 17:48 |
| Jaffa | Yup | 17:48 |
| aquatix | hmmmmmmmmmmm :) | 17:48 |
| Jaffa | http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=158518&partner=uknews | 17:49 |
| X-Fade | aquatix: Well, actually more like 199 euro ;) | 17:49 |
| aquatix | X-Fade: details ;) | 17:49 |
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| AFBN810 | Hey how can I reboot when in Mer? | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | pop battery | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | or sudo reboot | 17:57 |
| johnx | open the terminal and type: sudo reboot | 17:57 |
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| AFBN810 | lol been poping battery since yesterday | 17:59 |
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| slonopotamus | please recommend usb keyboard for n800. requirements: must fit in a pocket. optional: some handle to put tablet on it | 18:05 |
| dneary | X-Fade: You know, we have a small problem of duplicate emails for accounts? | 18:06 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, how big are your pockets? and does it have to be touch-typable? | 18:06 |
| RST38h | slono: Nokia's own keyboard | 18:06 |
| RST38h | SU-8 or something like that | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | SU-8W | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | (Not my recommendation :)) | 18:06 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, I assume the emphasis is on USB to get it working easily in gentoo? | 18:07 |
| X-Fade | dneary: What's up? | 18:07 |
| slonopotamus | johnx, right | 18:07 |
| dneary | X-Fade: I found 263 email addresses owning 2 or more maemo accounts | 18:07 |
| dneary | We should probably clean that up | 18:07 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Well, it that bad? | 18:07 |
| slonopotamus | johnx, width of cd box, height - two cd boxes | 18:08 |
| dneary | 252 of them only have 2 | 18:08 |
| X-Fade | I can create 1M email address if I really need accounts ;) | 18:08 |
| slonopotamus | su-8w... googling | 18:08 |
| dneary | The others are mostly nokia people (Jake has 6, Ferenc has 5, mika has 3) | 18:08 |
| slonopotamus | johnx, preferred size - like tablet itself | 18:08 |
| dneary | X-Fade: It seems to me like the primary email address should be a unique constraint for the users database | 18:09 |
| dneary | X-Fade: You don't agree? | 18:09 |
| X-Fade | dneary: And are those duplicate accounts not deleted status? | 18:09 |
| slonopotamus | su-8w is bluetooth | 18:09 |
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| X-Fade | dneary: No, not really. | 18:09 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, su-8w is bt, not usb. are you looking for something foldable? or is thumb typing ok? | 18:09 |
| dneary | These are people we are certain are getting multiple ballots in elections | 18:09 |
| * rm_you waves at johnx | 18:09 | |
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| dneary | Sure, it's not much effort to create a new email address | 18:09 |
| johnx | hoi rm_you :) | 18:09 |
| dneary | I could create 6 or 7 accounts myself | 18:10 |
| X-Fade | dneary: If one really wants to do that, it is not hard to circumvent. | 18:10 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Not sure if you really need to put the time and effort in preventing that. | 18:10 |
| dneary | Do you know how I can tell if an account is deleted? | 18:10 |
| slonopotamus | johnx, both ok. smaller - better, self hand will hold tablet, so i have only one to type | 18:10 |
| dneary | One of the timedate fields is 0, right? | 18:10 |
| dneary | The third one? | 18:10 |
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| slonopotamus | johnx, if kb doesn't have any hokder | 18:11 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, uh...that limits it a bit... | 18:11 |
| slonopotamus | s/hokder/holder/ | 18:11 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: johnx, if kb doesn't have any holder | 18:11 |
| slonopotamus | johnx, it can be big but with holder for tablet | 18:11 |
| dneary | This came up when I was importing karma | 18:11 |
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| dneary | And I was expecting email to be a unique index | 18:12 |
| dneary | And it isn't | 18:12 |
| X-Fade | Well, I can add your email to my additional emails in my profile too. | 18:12 |
| X-Fade | Instant karma! | 18:12 |
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| johnx | slonopotamus, that still limits it :) I've been looking for the same thing for a while. my advice is to just make X work and use an onscreen keyboard | 18:12 |
| slonopotamus | johnx, i can't test x from maemo, so i need to boot gentoo to test it. but without kb i'll have to reboot gentoo <-> maemo like crazy | 18:14 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, yes, but why do you need to do it away from home? | 18:14 |
| slonopotamus | johnx, it can limit as much as it want until there is at least one satisfying thing :) | 18:14 |
| slonopotamus | johnx, i have more important things to do at home :) and 2 hours a day in transport | 18:15 |
| johnx | should take about one night to make X work... but let me find the keyboard that came closest to what you want | 18:16 |
| slonopotamus | johnx, anyway i'd like to have some backup if i kill x :) and i'm sure it'll happen | 18:17 |
| johnx | X doesn't die in Maemo. :) make it not die in gentoo... | 18:18 |
| slonopotamus | optionally, somebody could present me n810 :) | 18:18 |
| slonopotamus | today is my birthday, so it's a good moment to do that :P | 18:18 |
| johnx | sure, send me $220USD+shipping and I'll give you a birthday present :) | 18:19 |
| * timsamoff thanks X-Fade for helping. | 18:19 | |
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| wazd | slonopotamus: Happy Birthday! There you go: http://nds3.nokia.com/pressphotos/public/global/devices/n810/n810_01_low.jpg | 18:20 |
| slonopotamus | hmm... su-8w has some kind of handle | 18:20 |
| slonopotamus | wazd, you're so kind... :) | 18:20 |
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| wazd | slonopotamus: yep, thats me :P | 18:21 |
| slonopotamus | what can you say about logitech dinovo mini? | 18:23 |
| johnx | expensive | 18:23 |
| slonopotamus | i like it's... mmm... you call it cover? | 18:23 |
| slonopotamus | upper thing | 18:23 |
| johnx | yeah, a cover | 18:24 |
| slonopotamus | oh | 18:24 |
| slonopotamus | s/it's/its/ | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: do you do 480x640 or 640x480 btw? | 18:25 |
| slonopotamus | omg | 18:25 |
| * slonopotamus saw its price | 18:25 | |
| r2d2rogers | Jaffa: working desktop,yes, wireless, not so much yet, but I haven't gotten a chance to try with unsecured wifi | 18:25 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, depends on landscape/laptop or tablet mode | 18:25 |
| slonopotamus | $200 here | 18:26 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: you can almost get a n810 for that | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:26 |
| slonopotamus | yep | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: on zaurus, i meant | 18:26 |
| Jaffa | r2d2rogers: cool | 18:26 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, that's what I mean. it's a convertible tablet. right now I'm concentrating on 640x480 | 18:26 |
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| johnx | slonopotamus, how about this: http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/classified-archive/50417-fs-super-mini-usb-keyboard.html | 18:27 |
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| slonopotamus | ~ping | 18:27 |
| infobot | ~pong | 18:27 |
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| slonopotamus | johnx, loading... gprs is not-so-fast | 18:30 |
| slonopotamus | for the record: n810 is $350 here | 18:32 |
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| johnx | well, if you get me $220 in advance and pay shipping I don't see why I couldn't order one for you from the US :) | 18:33 |
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| johnx | and then rightly call it a birthday present so as to sneak it by customs :D | 18:33 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 18:34 |
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| slonopotamus | cheater | 18:34 |
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| timeless | hello world | 18:34 |
| timeless | could someone please help me? | 18:34 |
| timeless | :) | 18:34 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, meh. I have a bank account in the US and it is your birthday, right? | 18:34 |
| slonopotamus | johnx, but i'll think on your suggestion :) | 18:35 |
| johnx | timeless, what do you need tested this time? :P | 18:35 |
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| timeless | 'account setup wizard' | 18:35 |
| timeless | i have a new localization package which is baking in my mer atm | 18:35 |
| timeless | so for now you're free to use whatever localiation you have on your device | 18:35 |
| slonopotamus | johnx, hmm. right. so? | 18:35 |
| Jaffa | slonopotamus: so it's not cheating, nor tax evasion or customs dodging | 18:36 |
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| milhouse | timeless: enGB is all we need ;) | 18:36 |
| qwerty12 | milhouse++ | 18:36 |
| timeless | qwerty: newly baked package set uploaded | 18:36 |
| timeless | including nokia maps :) | 18:36 |
| * slonopotamus doesn't see any relation between birthdays and bank accounts | 18:36 | |
| timeless | or navicore maps | 18:37 |
| timeless | whatever it is | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | Never used the map application :) | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | happy birthday slonopotamus | 18:37 |
| timeless | yeah, that's ok | 18:37 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, errr...how am I cheating then? | 18:37 |
| timeless | i'm more interested in Presence atm | 18:37 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12, thanks :) | 18:37 |
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| slonopotamus | johnx, i'll need to find a way to send you the money. and i don't have a spare $200 at the moment :) | 18:40 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, neither do I :) | 18:40 |
| slonopotamus | johnx, possibly later, ok? | 18:41 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, I'll have to figure out some logistics given that the bank account is in the US, but I'm not. :) But I'll give it a try | 18:41 |
| slonopotamus | johnx, hehe | 18:42 |
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| timeless | "Enter descriptive account name (e.g. 'home account1') and nickname (optional)" | 18:45 |
| * timeless sighs | 18:46 | |
| slonopotamus | what was that... 'not now, not later, not ever' | 18:46 |
| johnx | heheh, /nick optional | 18:46 |
| timeless | anyone wanna try to translate that into English? | 18:46 |
| slonopotamus | account name != nickname? | 18:47 |
| johnx | "Enter descriptive account name, such as 'home account1' and, optionally, a nickname" | 18:47 |
| johnx | s/r d/r a d/ | 18:47 |
| infobot | johnx meant: "Enter a descriptive account name, such as 'home account1' and, optionally, a nickname" | 18:47 |
| timeless | sold | 18:48 |
| timeless | "Existing contacts will be copied from server." | 18:48 |
| johnx | ...to a spam forum. | 18:48 |
| slonopotamus | timeless, your goal is to rewrite everything? | 18:48 |
| wazd | "Please, would you be so kind and generous to let me know your magesty's personal account title and, but I'm not insist, your shorter name for relatives and friends" | 18:49 |
| timeless | slonopotamus: i think i'll leave a few instances of "OK" unchanged | 18:49 |
| johnx | timeless, "Your contacts list will be downloaded from the server." | 18:49 |
| slonopotamus | timeless, oh :) | 18:50 |
| slonopotamus | wazd, sold already | 18:50 |
| wazd | and every pop-up should be led by "Can I ask you your majesty?" xD | 18:51 |
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| wazd | Yes, you may ask/ No, fool, get lost :) | 18:52 |
| timeless | "Select task for %s" | 18:52 |
| timeless | ther'es a dialog you get from contacts | 18:52 |
| timeless | which says "Select task for timeless" | 18:52 |
| wazd | Seems that ICQ banned Russia again) | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | woot, that's formido porting finished :) | 18:53 |
| johnx | timeless, and someone typed "Retranslate the whole GUI" so now you're stuck working on that? | 18:53 |
| wazd | I have 12 contacts online) | 18:53 |
| timeless | no | 18:53 |
| timeless | someone asked me what i wanted fixed for fremantle | 18:53 |
| slonopotamus | wazd, that's good. more people will move to xmpp | 18:54 |
| timeless | i said, lemme show you | 18:54 |
| wazd | slonopotamus: well, that's kinda weird way to move people to xmpp :) | 18:54 |
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| slonopotamus | wazd, but works :) | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | wazd, wait. I've only ever heard of Russians using ICQ and now they're banning it? 0_o | 18:55 |
| timeless | "Contact is unauthorized. Unable to guarantee that messages will be delivered." | 18:55 |
| timeless | anyone know what that means? | 18:55 |
| wazd | qwerty12: Russia is the most ICQ using country :D | 18:55 |
| wazd | qwerty12: they ban 3rd party clients | 18:55 |
| Jaffa | timeless: You've added them to your contact list, but they've not approved you yet | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | wazd, ah :D | 18:55 |
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| timeless | ok, can you write that in the form for the app? | 18:56 |
| timeless | Contact has not authorized you... ? | 18:56 |
| wazd | qwerty12: And they ban only russian IPs | 18:56 |
| slonopotamus | almost everybody uses 3rd-party icq clients here | 18:56 |
| timeless | "Contact has not authorized you. Messages might not be delivered." | 18:56 |
| timeless | ok, dinner or something | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | wazd, really stupid imho considering that Russia's probably one of the few countries where ICQ usage is common... | 18:57 |
| Jaffa | timeless: "Contact has not yet authorised you: messages might not be delivered." | 18:57 |
| wazd | qwerty12: yep) | 18:57 |
| * wazd lost tablet's pen( | 18:57 | |
| slonopotamus | i insist on Z in 'authorize' :) | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | wazd, if you come to the UK and look around in Slough, you *may* be able to find the one I dropped somewhere... | 18:57 |
| Jaffa | slonopotamus: Not for en_GB | 18:58 |
| slonopotamus | at least for en_RU :D | 18:58 |
| slonopotamus | en, en_GB, en_GB_LIVERPOOL... | 18:59 |
| wazd | qwerty12: no, not that tablets, Wacom ones :) | 18:59 |
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| AndrewFBlack | Well I tried to install Personal Menu on Mer and somehow I now have to regular application menus lol | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | wazd, ah :). Ouch :(, are replacements (hoping that it doesn't come to that) expensive? | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | known bug, AndrewFBlack :) | 19:00 |
| AndrewFBlack | lol ok | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | slonopotamus, haha, accents are funny in this country... | 19:00 |
| AndrewFBlack | Personal Launcher is working | 19:01 |
| wazd | qwerty12" I've lost somewhere in my room so it's a bit early to think bout the replacement)) | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | hehe :) | 19:01 |
| * wazd found it :) | 19:01 | |
| * slonopotamus hopes one day it will be possible to make phone call to any device so it starts ringing | 19:02 | |
| slonopotamus | s/device/item/ | 19:02 |
| * johnx would settle for triangulating by rfid | 19:04 | |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: you should vlc http://blip.tv/file/get/Rzrfreefr-TestingMerOSForMobileDevices837.ogv :) | 19:16 |
| slonopotamus | oh | 19:16 |
| slonopotamus | need to post photo of gentoo-on-n800 | 19:16 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, thanks for reminder :) | 19:16 |
| slonopotamus | or even small booting movie | 19:17 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 19:17 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, watching... | 19:18 |
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| Stskeeps | some bad usability problems but yeah :P | 19:21 |
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| johnx | hey Stskeeps. looks great :) | 19:31 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: rzr's video | 19:31 |
| johnx | yeah | 19:31 |
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| pvanhoof | so, who's going to use this http://www.vmware.com/company/news/releases/view_open_client.html to make a vmware viewer for Maemo? | 19:36 |
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| pvanhoof | Comon don't be shy, tell us | 19:36 |
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| johnx | huh | 19:37 |
| johnx | what kind of bandwidth are we talking here? and what's the advantage vs rdesktop or x11? | 19:38 |
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| pvanhoof | johnx, advantage is I guess that you don't need to install a service on the guest, for example | 19:38 |
| johnx | but this runs on the guest | 19:39 |
| pvanhoof | ie that you can use a msdos guest | 19:39 |
| pvanhoof | no looks like this is for connecting to a vmware workstation or server, no? (remotely) | 19:39 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders if it's in ubuntu already | 19:39 | |
| johnx | ah, I see | 19:39 |
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| pvanhoof | well certainly looks like a nice feature for a tablet to me | 19:40 |
| johnx | was thinking about 'guest' incorrectly | 19:40 |
| pvanhoof | ie, rdesktop might now correctly allow the resolution to be changed easily | 19:40 |
| pvanhoof | this client might or could instruct the vmware tools running on the guest to do just that | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | why on earth does people not provide the debian source packages for their debs | 19:40 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, hopefully the debian/ dir is in their scm | 19:41 |
| pvanhoof | Stskeeps, what about the software not being opensource? :) | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | pvanhoof: it is open source | 19:41 |
| pvanhoof | Ah in that case, no idea | 19:41 |
| johnx | ah, no scm | 19:42 |
| johnx | maybe they're ashamed of their packaging job | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | prolly | 19:43 |
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| Stskeeps | not gonna bother packaging it :P | 19:44 |
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| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: why do you think there's a bad usablity problems in rzr:s video? | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: oh, in Mer, like, it is appearant there's an odd issue with HAM's "<something> is installed now" | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | dialog | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | or the Enter thing | 19:46 |
| Meizirkki | ah | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | when i say usability i dont meant the user is an idiot, i mean the interface has issues :) | 19:46 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 19:46 |
| Jaffa | This is a fremantle thing | 19:46 |
| Jaffa | Dialogues with just an "OK" now popup modally and you have to know to press escape. | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 19:47 |
| Meizirkki | Why doesn't fremantle have "ok" or "cancel" buttons anyway? | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | touch.. :P | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | we will know more soon i guess | 19:47 |
| Jaffa | ask roope? | 19:47 |
| Meizirkki | roope: ping? | 19:48 |
| johnx | I think we can assume there will be pushing us to use the hardware ok/cancel buttons :) | 19:48 |
| Jaffa | Indeed, which might be "fun" for Mer porting Hildon to non-Nokia controlled hardware | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: can you in ~15 minutes update your dsme-tools and verify it will run wifi-powersave.py? if it works, take my 95% on python-object on sprint, make it 100% and make it background:LightGreen? | 19:50 |
| johnx | easily solved: Mer hardware requirement: some physical buttons :) | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | aw, but my mer table.. | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 19:51 |
| johnx | save some non-display area on the side of the touchscreen :) | 19:51 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeep: i'll try | 19:51 |
| johnx | draw some pictures on it, and map them as buttons | 19:51 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:51 |
| Meizirkki | how can i verify wifi-powersave works? | 19:51 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: well since you use wifi-radar it is a little difficult | 19:51 |
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| Stskeeps | it uses knowledge of if NM is connected or not to power save | 19:52 |
| Meizirkki | hmm | 19:52 |
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| * Meiz_n810 checks if he still has nm installed | 19:53 | |
| Meiz_n810 | oh! i didn't remove it :) | 19:53 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: no go for secured WPA2 with passphrase on 770, it fails to connect on the wifi-radar, and the nm-applet just keeps going | 19:53 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: k | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: apt-get install sysklogd and let's see what causes it | 19:53 |
| r2d2rogers | wilco | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: oh, we got jffs2 image booting today too | 19:56 |
| slonopotamus | hehe. they ask how long openoffice startups in gentoo. ask how long it builds :) | 19:56 |
| johnx | nice. still with 2.6.21? | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:56 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, ahaha. looks like you have your first torture test :D | 19:57 |
| slonopotamus | johnx, i have fully working cross-toolchain. i can use to build whatever you use your scratchbox. or i can take qemu and boot into it, just like you boot mer. but i don't have such need yet. | 19:58 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, well then get cracking :) I'm curious about openoffice in gentoo as well | 19:59 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, from experience, how long does a kernel build take on device? | 20:01 |
| lcuk | serious q cos im interested in debugging some stuff and do most grunt work on my 810 | 20:01 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, i use stock kernel, i ddidn't build it. gcc 4.2 takes 8 hours. | 20:01 |
| * lcuk has never compiled kernel anywhere | 20:01 | |
| lcuk | once you have done the majority build though i gather it will work just like other things and only require rebuilding the changed elements | 20:02 |
| lcuk | ie after the initial 8 hours if i start tweaking a single file it might be done in a fraction of the time | 20:02 |
| johnx | unless the changed elements force other parts to be rebuilt... | 20:03 |
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| slonopotamus | lcuk, that's what ccache is good at | 20:03 |
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| lcuk | not likely johnx, im not thinking structural at the moment, merely changes to the window boundaries in omapfb | 20:03 |
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| lcuk | any idea how long it takes on a regular pc ? | 20:04 |
| lcuk | with scratchbox | 20:04 |
| johnx | depends on the build :) | 20:04 |
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| johnx | but a normal build of Nokia's 2.6.21? less than an hour IIRC | 20:05 |
| lcuk | fair enough | 20:05 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: i'm now running Mer, how can i see if wifi-powersave works? | 20:05 |
| slonopotamus | gimme kernel config and i'll run 'time make' | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | slonopotamus, make nokia_2420_defconfig | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: ps? | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | ps aux | 20:06 |
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| slonopotamus | wtf is 2420? | 20:07 |
| qwerty12 | OMAP2420 | 20:07 |
| lcuk | omap cpu model | 20:07 |
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| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: there's network-manager in the list | 20:08 |
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| Stskeeps | ps ax (as root) has python wifi-powersave or the likes? | 20:08 |
| slonopotamus | ah | 20:08 |
| slonopotamus | 1 hour on desktop you said? | 20:09 |
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| johnx | slonopotamus, depends on the desktop. I said 'less than' since I didn't remember the real time :) | 20:10 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: yes there's "/usr/bin/python /usr/sbin/wifi_powersave.py | 20:11 |
| Meizirkki | " | 20:11 |
| Meizirkki | i edit wikipage now? | 20:11 |
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| slonopotamus | johnx, real 1m18.782s for make nokia_2420_defconfig after make clean | 20:12 |
| qwerty12 | that just gets you the .config file | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: yeah, sure | 20:12 |
| slonopotamus | johnx, now 'make'? | 20:12 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, yeah | 20:12 |
| slonopotamus | i know | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: so you lost your charger or it's just not in nearby reach, btw? | 20:13 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, my loox one? totally mashed up. | 20:13 |
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| Stskeeps | alright | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | mashed? :> | 20:14 |
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| slonopotamus | /bin/sh: arm-linux-gcc: command not found | 20:14 |
| slonopotamus | it's broken | 20:14 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, wires all messed up etc :) | 20:14 |
| slonopotamus | gimme another kernel :) | 20:15 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 20:15 |
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| lcuk | slonopotamus, windows_7_4803 :P | 20:16 |
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| slonopotamus | good programs know how to find gcc. maemo kernel couldn't. | 20:18 |
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| RST38h | back | 20:20 |
| t_s_o | hmm, after toying with the kinetic setting for mytube, something tells me that i may learn to like that kind of scrolling. that is, if i can access the settings to tweak the friction and speed... | 20:21 |
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| lcuk | has anyone seen my images. they were there last night, but now they are missing | 20:24 |
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| slonopotamus | hmmm | 20:25 |
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| rzr | straind`: johnx: at least my video was usefull | 20:27 |
| rzr | -l | 20:27 |
| johnx | yeah, it looked great. :D | 20:27 |
| straind` | rzr: -straind`: too? | 20:28 |
| rzr | :) | 20:30 |
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| lcuk | i found my images, they were behind the fridge | 20:37 |
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| lcuk | t_s_o, ive liked kinetic for years | 20:37 |
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| t_s_o | lcuk: i try to like it but more often then not i find that it keeps running away when i want it to stop, or not continue to scroll when i expect it to... | 20:38 |
| wazd | whoa | 20:38 |
| wazd | toshiba UI is a total crap) | 20:38 |
| wazd | gfx for gfx ) | 20:39 |
| johnx | wazd, what do you expect for a winmo shell? | 20:39 |
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| lcuk | t_s_o, half the problem with kinetic is the update refresh screen | 20:40 |
| wazd | johnx: It's not winmo problem | 20:40 |
| lcuk | to work well it has to be fluid | 20:40 |
| wazd | johnx: it's like to say that world hunger is winmo problem)) | 20:41 |
| wazd | johnx: or global warming :) | 20:41 |
| johnx | wazd, how is 'winmo has a crap interface' not a winmo problem? | 20:41 |
| t_s_o | lcuk: maybe so, but when i scroll without releasing the screen, making sure things have stopped moving, then release pressure, only to see things go flying of in some direction, there is something wrong... | 20:41 |
| RST38h | Look at the bright side though: WinCE (and WinMobile, I guess) has COMMAND.COM! | 20:41 |
| wazd | johnx: I'm talking bout toshiba's GUI | 20:42 |
| wazd | RST38h: does winmo has explorer.exe or something?) | 20:42 |
| johnx | wazd, is there a winmo shell that does look nice in your opinion? | 20:42 |
| RST38h | wazd: oh yes | 20:42 |
| RST38h | wazd: ported from IE3 or IE4 | 20:43 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, whats the problem to write another window manager instead? | 20:43 |
| RST38h | wazd: I do not think it has window manager | 20:43 |
| wazd | johnx: no, and thats the problem of shell creators, not winmo itself | 20:43 |
| RST38h | wazd: it has a status screen that is its analog of windows shell | 20:43 |
| wazd | RST38h: explorer.exe is WM :) | 20:43 |
| RST38h | wazd: ah, you mean THAT explorer | 20:44 |
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| RST38h | wazd: no, no wm | 20:44 |
| wazd | RST38h: not iexplore :)\ | 20:44 |
| RST38h | wazd: there is really no way to "fix" winmobile | 20:44 |
| wazd | RST38h: first of all it should be rebuilt from scratch) | 20:45 |
| wazd | RST38h: since it's really old OS in fact | 20:45 |
| RST38h | wazd: there is nothing to rebuild there. It is Win95 quickly ported to arm | 20:45 |
| johnx | wazd, guess they're trying a pilot of that by running the next sidekick on bsd :) | 20:46 |
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| wazd | but still, I wonder why all WM managers are so crappy | 20:47 |
| johnx | hmm? on X11? | 20:48 |
| wazd | the best thing I saw was "magic button" :) | 20:48 |
| johnx | ah, on winmo? | 20:48 |
| wazd | johnx: yep | 20:48 |
| lcuk | t_s_o, thats a fault in the algo | 20:49 |
| lcuk | it should simply remember your deltas and degrade peacefully | 20:49 |
| t_s_o | heh, then why does it show up again and again? | 20:49 |
| lcuk | with different apps? | 20:50 |
| t_s_o | yep, both tear and mauku is driving me nuts with this, to some degree or other... | 20:50 |
| * lcuk never has a problem with it | 20:50 | |
| lcuk | though in mauku its a bit frisky | 20:51 |
| t_s_o | mytube and webkit-eal (for lack of a better name) is thankfully tweakable, so that i can set things to my liking | 20:51 |
| t_s_o | well it could be that my screen is getting worn | 20:51 |
| lcuk | in all the stuff in liqbase i made sure it worked as expected | 20:51 |
| lcuk | ive got a worse screen than anyone | 20:51 |
| johnx | t_s_o, the 'friction' is too low in tear IMHO | 20:51 |
| lcuk | on one of my devices it doesnt respond to finger in the middle | 20:51 |
| t_s_o | johnx: i may agree with you there | 20:52 |
| * lcuk still has to put kinetic into liqbase | 20:52 | |
| t_s_o | tho the acceleration is somewhat nuts to. when things come to a complete stop and i release, it goes of like i did a full screen flick | 20:52 |
| lcuk | is this with finger or stylus? | 20:53 |
| t_s_o | both, but mostly i use stylus. and with finger its mostly the side of a nail as i cant get myself to drag something around by pushing the surface of a finger against the screen | 20:53 |
| lcuk | i agree, finger on these screens feels wrong | 20:54 |
| lcuk | for pushing buttons its ok | 20:54 |
| lcuk | if they would be the right size that is | 20:54 |
| lcuk | you are likely just falling for the cpu being too busy and getting a big mouse coords jump or something | 20:55 |
| t_s_o | should not be, as the cpu applet shows no load at all, and it happens all to often for that, imo | 20:55 |
| * johnx confirms | 20:56 | |
| lcuk | odd then, all i can say is i made sure kinetic works as expected in liqbase :) | 20:56 |
| johnx | something is up with the acceleration | 20:56 |
| johnx | maybe it's a different formula than you use lcuk.. | 20:57 |
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| lcuk | yeah as i said at the start, its the algo | 20:57 |
| t_s_o | ugh, a unrelated issue with mauku, that a double tap opens the post/thread. that in combo with kinetic scrolling results in me opening way to many needless windows... | 20:58 |
| johnx | same with accidentally clicking links/banners in tear :/ | 20:59 |
| t_s_o | and having urls only available via the long-tap/gesture do not help... | 20:59 |
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| t_s_o | still, i guess there is a limit as its designed for jaiku first, with twitter support added as a near after thought | 21:00 |
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| lcuk | which version of mauku are you on | 21:02 |
| lcuk | 0.5.6? | 21:03 |
| t_s_o | yeo | 21:04 |
| t_s_o | yep | 21:04 |
| Jaffa | t_s_o: agreed with the accidental clicking in mauku - very annoying | 21:04 |
| lcuk | yes, testing the scrolling i keep opening windows | 21:05 |
| lcuk | but i cant get the random scrolling bug no matter how much i abuse it | 21:05 |
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| lcuk | (it has bugs and is jerky but thats different) | 21:06 |
| * RST38h has seen random scrolling in MediaBox btw | 21:06 | |
| RST38h | It looks like if the device is under heavy load, it skips some drag events and interprets whatever it reads as a huge (negative?) drag | 21:06 |
| lcuk | yeah RST38h my thoughts | 21:06 |
| t_s_o | i seem to get it mostly when im scrolling back up, could be something about the time between stopping and releasing, meaning the code reads it as a flick | 21:06 |
| RST38h | So it starts frantically scrolling things | 21:06 |
| RST38h | Is this what you are seeing? | 21:07 |
| lcuk | t_s_o, there is an issue where you do not receive the final mouse up so it connects with the previous stroke giving a massive jump in lines | 21:07 |
| lcuk | different apps have had it at different times, but its most noticable in painting apps | 21:07 |
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| t_s_o | to bad that webkit-eal have lost steam | 21:11 |
| X-Fade | Indeed, I use it as my main browser now. | 21:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it wasn't initially done by pronvit, someone else may pick it up like he did from collabora :) | 21:12 |
| Mek | hmm... anybody know of any issues with the g++ in scratchbox and -O2? I've got a program that segfaults in very weird places whith -O2, but works just fine with -O0 | 21:13 |
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| t_s_o | qwerty12_N800: you got a point there, the code was released iirc, so its mostly a matter of getting interest. hell, if one can get it to work with the bundyo lib then i suspect it would really benefit, as it seems there are shared issues (osk, downloads and so on) | 21:14 |
| X-Fade | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/webkit-eal/ | 21:15 |
| StsN800 | t_s_o, if browser ui was oss it would gain interest outside maemo prolly | 21:15 |
| t_s_o | maybe | 21:16 |
| johnx | well at least the ubuntu mobile people would be interested | 21:16 |
| t_s_o | it would at least make people play around more with alternate solutions to some things. like say embedded media ;) | 21:16 |
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| johnx | mmm...that would be *really* nice | 21:17 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, poking around that svn shows up a empty webkit-mifki dir... | 21:22 |
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| wazd | ok, I've already contacted Foreca, weather.com and Ya.Weather | 21:31 |
| wazd | Does anybody knows/wants any other descent weather source? | 21:32 |
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| t_s_o | depends on what part of the world your interested in ;) | 21:34 |
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| Mek | http://93.157.1.37/~marijn/openttd_maemo.png <-- yay :) even without compiler optimizations it runs quite well... | 21:35 |
| wazd | t_s_o: totaly any part) | 21:35 |
| t_s_o | http://www.yr.no/english/1.2025949 | 21:35 |
| johnx | Mek, the widgets look a bit small, but it looks very nice :) | 21:36 |
| wazd | Mek: well, it's about a year old port or something :) | 21:36 |
| Mek | wazd: hmm? what is? this is the most recent release of openttd... | 21:36 |
| RST38h | wazd: Add Gismeteo, for the full measure | 21:37 |
| wazd | RST38h: Yep, I thought to write to them. In fact they have XML output but there's no icon number somehow | 21:37 |
| RST38h | wazd: And probably Wundergound and NOAA | 21:37 |
| wazd | RST38h: Wunderground is free to use already | 21:37 |
| wazd | RST38h: what's NOAA? | 21:38 |
| wazd | Mek: Well, I played it year ago on n800 :) | 21:38 |
| RST38h | wazd: US version of Oceanography Institute | 21:38 |
| RST38h | wazd: Government agency dealing with oceans, maritime weather and geography | 21:39 |
| wazd | RST38h: oh | 21:39 |
| RST38h | wazd: they do weather forecasts too | 21:39 |
| wazd | t_s_o: thatks, I'll contact them | 21:39 |
| Mek | wazd: hmm.. okay; from where did you get it? | 21:39 |
| Mek | (and I played it a couple of years ago on my neo 1973 as well :P) | 21:40 |
| wazd | Mek: well, it was available for OS2006 I think | 21:40 |
| wazd | http://openttd.toimii.net/maemo/maemo-openttd.jpg | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | i ran openttd on os2008 too | 21:41 |
| Mek | ah, those are a lot older versions; I guess they didn't trigger the gcc bug I'm fightning now :) | 21:41 |
| wazd | Gismeteo has such an USSResque logo btw :) | 21:43 |
| wazd | "sovok" xD | 21:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | In Soviet Russia, weather data owns you | 21:44 |
| RST38h | wazd: Hey, don't touch 'em, they just bought an Itanium cluster from us! | 21:46 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N800: In Soviet Russia, weather forecasts you xD | 21:46 |
| wazd | RST38h: Why would they need it :) | 21:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe :D | 21:46 |
| wazd | RST38h: their forecasts are coming from their italanium noses :) | 21:47 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Well, Gidrometcenter apparently computes its own weather | 21:48 |
| RST38h | wazd: Lots of it, judging from their computational requirements =) | 21:48 |
| wazd | RST38h: yeah-yeah, "and today we'll have... well... how about... -5!" :) | 21:49 |
| wazd | RST38h: they just have powerful random number generator :) | 21:50 |
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| RST38h | wazd: They are worse than weather.com, but not by much | 21:53 |
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| RST38h | Besides, maybe they are good at predicting weather for some really obscure piece of tundra nobody cares about? =) | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm going to bug the new h-a-m guy to see if we can't get something productive going. | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | "the new"? | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | no more m-vo or? | 21:56 |
| johnx | mmm...ham | 21:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3286 | 21:56 |
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| Stskeeps | aw, m-vo was a good upstream | 21:57 |
| timeless | that's because he was an engineer | 21:57 |
| wazd | RST38h: I can't find if Gismeteo can give any free XML info | 21:58 |
| wazd | RST38h: they have just paid options | 21:58 |
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| timeless | what the heck/ why does homeip require a pinned version of libhildonfm2? | 22:03 |
| RST38h | wazd: Why not scrub their html? | 22:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, yeah, I agree, and it leaves me a lot less optimistic about making h-a-m cool. :\ | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: Depends: hildon-desktop-python-loader, python2.5-hildondesktop, python2.5-hildon, python2.5-gobject, python2.5-dbus, python2.5-osso, python2.5-cairo, python2.5-gtk2 | 22:04 |
| timeless | hrm | 22:04 |
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| timeless | whatversion is this? | 22:04 |
| timeless | Can't install homeip; | 22:05 |
| timeless | it needs: libhildonfm2 (= 1:2.0.2) | 22:05 |
| timeless | libhildonwm0 (= 1:2.0.10-1) | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: the one in mer repository | 22:05 |
| timeless | libhildondesktop0 (= 1:2.0.10-1) | 22:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody go beat Khertan up with this stick. | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | that might be the python bindings | 22:05 |
| timeless | this is my "diablo"(ish) n800 | 22:05 |
| * GeneralAntilles holds up a stick. | 22:05 | |
| timeless | yeah, it's probably the bindings | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: and don't get started on pymaemo.. | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | that thing is curiously odd occasionally | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:07 |
| timeless | aww, i can't install Nokia Chat either | 22:07 |
| timeless | does Personal Menu install on Mer? | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | AFB claimed s | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | o | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | i thought it didn't | 22:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | should work now there is a control panel | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | true | 22:09 |
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| timeless | personal menu discriminates against n800 users who have broken touchscreens :( | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | we still need that broken screen display watchdog message.. | 22:11 |
| timeless | this n800's touch screen will stop working for a while | 22:12 |
| timeless | (i think it starts working after you unlock the screen) | 22:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | timeless, mine does that from time to time :/ | 22:12 |
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| timeless | because the n800 has a hardware arrow key, it shouldn't be much of a problem | 22:13 |
| johnx | I used to have touchscreen problems. I still think it was heat related though | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | .. oh ffs¤" | 22:13 |
| timeless | but most people don't write proper arrow key support | 22:13 |
| AndrewFBlack | Personal Menu isn't working on Mer but Personal Launcher is | 22:13 |
| timeless | what's the difference? | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | now that i have gconf2-common going, and libosso-gnomevfs-extra, .. | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | NOW it complains about libvte9 | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | *sigh* | 22:13 |
| timeless | Couldn't install Personal Menu [ Close ] | 22:14 |
| * timeless sighs | 22:14 | |
| * Stskeeps ignores gnome. | 22:14 | |
| AndrewFBlack | timeless, Personal Menu is a menu on the side Personal Launcher is a menu on desktop with icons | 22:14 |
| timeless | i wanted a plugin | 22:14 |
| * timeless is tired of this really clever string | 22:14 | |
| timeless | "Two plug-ins required" | 22:14 |
| timeless | remind me to thwap the author of that one | 22:15 |
| * timeless frowns | 22:18 | |
| timeless | It looks like this is your first time running [wdgtbdyes] | 22:18 |
| timeless | Maemo Mapper. Press OK to view the the help | 22:19 |
| timeless | pages. Otherwise, press Cancel to continue. [ wdgtbdno] | 22:19 |
| timeless | does maemo mapper have a bugzilla product? | 22:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, not yet. | 22:20 |
| timeless | it's getting one now | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, I dunno if gnuite will actually look at it. . . . | 22:20 |
| timeless | not my problem | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | It is mine, though. :P | 22:21 |
| timeless | http://mxr.maemo.org/garage-all/source/maemo-mapper/ | 22:21 |
| timeless | doesn't look like there's much of a web site | 22:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://gnuite.com/nokia770/maemo-mapper/ | 22:22 |
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| timeless | Product is now open for new bugs. | 22:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll send a heads-up to gnuite. . . . | 22:26 |
| RST38h | Indian $10 laptop will cost $20. | 22:26 |
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| timeless | 20? not 100? | 22:27 |
| des^^ | what would be the best way to build a deb from python files? | 22:28 |
| Jaffa | des^^: py2deb, at a guess | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, sent gnuite the heads up. | 22:29 |
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| des^^ | hmpf | 22:30 |
| timeless | jaffa: he has a bugzilla account | 22:30 |
| timeless | Bug 4064 has been added to the database | 22:30 |
| des^^ | I tried pypackager and it fails on me :s | 22:31 |
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| Jaffa | timeless: cool | 22:31 |
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| wazd | RST38h: I found that Gismeteo can give me XML weather! | 22:35 |
| wazd | RST38h: For one day | 22:35 |
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| timeless | ok, so um | 22:37 |
| timeless | can someone tell me why i'm getting those ugly buttons from Maemo Mapper in Mer 0.7? | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | which? | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | screenshot | 22:38 |
| timeless | where do screen shots go? :) | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | ~/MyDocs/.images if from load-applet | 22:38 |
| * timeless launches fennec to load that directory | 22:39 | |
| RST38h | wazd: that's already something... | 22:39 |
| * RST38h wonders if it can be hacked =) | 22:39 | |
| johnx | wow! think I finally have a clean package for xfbdev for zaurus mer. now to see if it builds | 22:39 |
| johnx | nothing is ever simple... | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | it will have another name than -fbdev, right? | 22:40 |
| timeless | can canola show pictures? | 22:40 |
| wazd | RST38h: I think to screw gismeteo, if Yandex will agree to work with us | 22:40 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I think xserver-kdrive-xfbdev sounds about right | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | k | 22:40 |
| * aquatix downloads mer 0.7, finally | 22:41 | |
| johnx | that's at least ok for the interim, and the ubuntu guys can name it whatever they want if this goes up to them | 22:41 |
| aquatix | timeless: yes | 22:41 |
| timeless | yes? | 22:41 |
| timeless | oh, re canola? | 22:41 |
| timeless | fennec is almost loaded.. | 22:42 |
| wazd | RST38h: and more than that, I've found: http://meteoinfo.ru/xml-export | 22:43 |
| johnx | mmm...that QuickClip statusbar applet looks delicious | 22:43 |
| aquatix | timeless: yeah, re canola :) | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/cheesehildon.png | 22:45 |
| aquatix | *G* @ ALMOST | 22:45 |
| aquatix | oops | 22:45 |
| aquatix | excuse the caps | 22:45 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, awesome! (except for missing the camera) | 22:45 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: nice | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: vmdk so :P | 22:46 |
| johnx | aaah. want me to test a deb on my n800? | 22:46 |
| johnx | it's sitting idle while I package for my z :) | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: wait for armel build, will take a while | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | libhildon rebuild | 22:47 |
| johnx | ah, is cheese building natively? | 22:47 |
| johnx | the good news about xfbdev is that it builds in mer SDK nicely :D | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: part of ubuntu | 22:48 |
| johnx | hildonized cheese is part of ubuntu? cool! | 22:49 |
| * aquatix loves using application manager in a VM, it's damn fast | 22:50 | |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-contacts.png | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | contacts-hildon | 22:50 |
| johnx | what is *that*? | 22:51 |
| aquatix | that's contacts from pimlico? | 22:51 |
| johnx | that looks *usable* | 22:51 |
| johnx | terrifying | 22:51 |
| aquatix | haha | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | aquatix: no clue, contacts-hildon | 22:51 |
| johnx | from ubuntu? | 22:51 |
| aquatix | http://www.pimlico-project.org/contacts.html | 22:51 |
| aquatix | there's also a nice agenda and notes thingee in there | 22:52 |
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| aquatix | all running on evolution data server | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-tasks.png | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | dates-hildon crashes for some reason | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Are these from Nokia? | 22:53 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, that would be a negative, General sir. | 22:53 |
| johnx | maybe you were right about not waiting for Nokia to do PIM :) | 22:53 |
| aquatix | meh, the pop-over "advanced-backlight successfully installed" won't disappear | 22:53 |
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| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: pimlico stuff | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | aquatix: click it | 22:54 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: ah :) | 22:54 |
| timeless | aquatix: press <esc> | 22:55 |
| aquatix | clicking it helped | 22:55 |
| aquatix | would be nice if it disappeared itself | 22:56 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 22:56 |
| Stskeeps | well, oddities | 22:56 |
| aquatix | hm, why doesn't accept xchat my commands :/ | 22:56 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/dates-hildon.png | 22:57 |
| aquatix | yay | 22:57 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, those are just vanilla installs from ubuntu? | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/dates-hildon2.png | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: yup. dates is a bit unstable | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | dates-hildon looks remotely usable | 22:58 |
| wazd | damn, reading "license agreements" is so boring( | 23:00 |
| r2d2rogers | how do I get to the "allow Access" window behind the Network Connection one? | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: hmm, gnome-keyring? i thought i had killed that quite well | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | just click the allow access button | 23:01 |
| r2d2rogers | I can't... | 23:01 |
| r2d2rogers | the network connections settings box is in front of it | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: 0.7 raw image? | 23:02 |
| r2d2rogers | nope | 23:02 |
| r2d2rogers | have run updates | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | ah, well thats why then | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:02 |
| r2d2rogers | ;) | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, are those actually Pimlico? | 23:02 |
| r2d2rogers | killed it | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i have no idea where they come from | 23:03 |
| r2d2rogers | and then hit always allow | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | they're from ubuntu mobile i think | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 23:03 |
| johnx | yeah, they're o-hand/pimlico I think | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | think with a bit of adjustment they'd be good candidates for inclusion into a std image :P | 23:05 |
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| johnx | yes | 23:05 |
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| aquatix | it'd be nice if they where maintained again | 23:07 |
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| johnx | hopefully the'll get some love as part of intel's efforts or ubuntu mobile's | 23:08 |
| timeless | hey, if i enable bluetooth for vmware, will it work w/ mer? :) | 23:09 |
| aquatix | johnx: that'd be great | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: usb stick? :P | 23:10 |
| aquatix | timeless: try it? ;) | 23:10 |
| johnx | timeless, I installed bluez-gnome and bluetooth worked on my n800 :) | 23:10 |
| timeless | nah, laptop bluetooth | 23:11 |
| timeless | it doesn't look like usb media works :( | 23:11 |
| timeless | i took my n800 and blugged it into my laptop | 23:11 |
| johnx | g_file_storage isn't loaded likely | 23:12 |
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| timeless | and then shared to my vmware | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-osmo.png | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | it might help being x600 though | 23:13 |
| timeless | x600? | 23:13 |
| johnx | running at 800x600 vs 800x480 | 23:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | they should make it use a hildontoolbar | 23:14 |
| * timelE61i sighs | 23:17 | |
| aquatix | ghehe, changing the brightness crashed mer's X in virtualbox | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | yeah :P | 23:17 |
| timelE61i | my laptop's beeping at me | 23:17 |
| aquatix | also, the volume icon is hexaduplicated or something | 23:17 |
| johnx | timelE61i, it's telling you it loves you :) | 23:17 |
| aquatix | `Feeeeed meeee, FEEEEED meeeee!' | 23:18 |
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| RST38h | Aaaargh | 23:25 |
| RST38h | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/02/iphone-vs-winmo.jpg | 23:25 |
| RST38h | Enjoy | 23:25 |
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| johnx | RST38h, yeah, that's a thrift sale I'd love to visit :) | 23:26 |
| aquatix | hahahahahhahahahahhahahahahah *coughspit* | 23:26 |
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| * timelE61i sighs | 23:28 | |
| timelE61i | laptop is too busy | 23:29 |
| timelE61i | ok | 23:29 |
| timelE61i | Could someone open connectivity cpl's second tab | 23:30 |
| timelE61i | And explain it? | 23:30 |
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| milos_ | planet-maemo not working? | 23:45 |
| X-Fade | milos_: Works for me? | 23:46 |
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| milos_ | X-Fade, when I enter this http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ I get this error http://pastebin.com/d33f83f47 | 23:49 |
| milos_ | is that correct url? | 23:49 |
| X-Fade | milos_: Hmm weird. Let me flush the cache to see if that fixes it for you. | 23:50 |
| X-Fade | milos_: Can you refresh? | 23:51 |
| milos_ | X-Fade, it started working now after refresh. | 23:52 |
| milos_ | X-Fade, interesting because I tried before to refresh and it didn't worked | 23:53 |
| X-Fade | milos_: No, I flushed the server cache.. | 23:53 |
| milos_ | ok | 23:53 |
| milos_ | thnx :) | 23:53 |
| X-Fade | milos_: Something for me to debug tomorrow :( | 23:54 |
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| timelE61i | hrm | 23:55 |
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| timelE61i | Where does the app name come from? | 23:55 |
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| timelE61i | Really? Yuck | 23:57 |
| timelE61i | Name=maps_ap_name | 23:59 |
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